Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #348 - Cuomo Has RESIGNED, Newsom Is Next To Be Ousted w/Mikhaila Peterson

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join podcaster and author Mikhaila Peterson to break down what Andrew Cuomo's resignation means, Nick Cannon's disparaging views of monogamy, Subway's choice to step away from Megan Rapinoe as they learn that getting woke means going broke, Mikhaila's dietary adventures, the paintball player who was canceled for pointing out that obesity contributes to Covid deaths, and the wild effects of DMT. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

14 days to flatten the perv. What I mean by that is in 14 days, the resignation of Governor Andrew Cuomo will be official. The man is out and good riddance. Everybody is happy. Literally everybody. Even the people who pretended to be Cuomo sexuals are pretending like they don't like Cuomo now, or I guess maybe they were pretending to have liked him in the first place. But it's more than just his resignation.

He said he knew the writing was on the wall. Democrats and Republicans wanted him out. So he decided to resign because he was facing impeachment. He's actually facing arrest and criminal prosecution. Recently, a sheriff came out and said, if these accusations, you know, have weight, we will arrest and charge Andrew Cuomo. Now, that remains to be seen. I mean, maybe he is resigning now because he's trying to get out while he still can.

Because he could potentially be arrested for some of these accusations. And they're pretty nasty accusations. But I tell you what, the one thing that kind of bums me out, he's not resigning because he murdered all those old people. He's resigning because of the accusations from female staffers and stuff. So at the very least, you know what, it's a good thing that he's gone. So we'll definitely get into that. We've got a bunch of other stories. We'll talk about the economy.

And we'll just have a good hangout because we're being joined by Michaela Peterson. Thank you so much for inviting me. Absolutely. Do you want to introduce yourself? I'm Michaela Peterson. I have a podcast. I'm probably more well-known for my all-meat lion diet. I'm Jordan Peterson's daughter. I'm well-known for my all-meat lion diet. There's that.

I'm Jordan Peterson's daughter. Well-known for that as well. That's pretty good. I have a YouTube channel, Instagram. There you go. I'm really happy to be here. Right on. I'm horrified by your Biden eating a child cartoon.

You have to give credit for that one to George Alexopoulos because we have Joe Biden biden for some reason eating a child and it's just it's just i think it's inspired by junji ito the famous like japanese manga horror novelist but it's we've had one person who came in and was just like this seems really you know like conspiratorial and creepy and i'm like it's a it's a gag like we have a bunch of we've got snow white zombie apocalypse as well. It doesn't mean anything. It's just silly. We have a beautiful Aurora Borealis over there as well.

That is out of place. That is really out of place. We like horror. We have the other one with Trump and Rogan. We took that one down a little while ago. We rotated them. We have a lot to talk about. What's going on here? What's up, duh?

Good to see you, bro. You've seen me yesterday. It is. It's just as good as it was yesterday. Hey, thanks for coming, Mikhail. I'm so glad. I want to talk about diet, man, because this is what you're doing. This is like the conversation I think we need to have as a society and a species with obesity running rampant and COVID attacking people with obesity.

It seems like people- 30.2% of hospitalizations were due to obesity, says the the cdc and you're on yikes whatever you want i don't even know what you call it but like a meat fast or whatever it is i'll just clarify real quick they said people who got covid and were obese like 30 of those people who are hospitalized with covid were obese i want to make sure i'm very clear i saw an article that said that it was china had recalled a bunch of ice cream because the ice cream was contaminated with COVID. It was like a...

That seems crazy. Is that a joke? No, it was an article. It was like a Newsweek article or something crazy. Well, we'll get into all this. So, lives in animal fat. Jesus. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm also here in the corner. I'm very excited to hear what Michaela Peterson has to say because I've tried to go carnivore. It's very challenging, but it sounds like I'm going to have to try it. We'll see how we feel after today's show. And don't forget, go to TimCast.com, become a member and help support our fierce and independent journalism directly and also you'll get access to our exclusive members

only podcast. We will have one up tonight of course. And you'll get an advertisement free experience. That being said, let's jump into this first big story. It is the end of Andrew Cuomo. Timcast.com reports Cuomo quits. Andrew Cuomo resigns as New York governor over a harassment scandal. Now, here's my favorite thing about this, right? He's got all these women. I think 11 women now have accused him of impropriety. One of them is actually a criminal complaint. I think there

may be another criminal complaint. He could potentially get arrested over this. The funniest thing was, and this is what I'm really fascinated by, I guess interestingly because of something your dad actually said, Michaela. Cuomo said he never felt he crossed the line with these women, but he didn't realize how far the line has actually moved. So his argument is touching a woman's face and shoulders and rubbing her elbow and all that stuff is totally fun and acceptable. But now you have these women actually coming out and saying, you crossed the line. He's shocked by it.

Now he's resigning over it. So there was an interview with Vice that Jordan Peterson had where he mentioned that men and women working in the workplace has been a disaster. And I think what he meant by that was things like this. I don't necessarily agree if I would use words that strongly, but there is a good point to be made that the line is definitely not as easily seen, perhaps. And maybe that's because people like Cuomo

are old and disrespectful. I don't know. What do you guys think? They used to smack each other in the movies, like in the 50s. Guy, like, what's his name, would backhand a woman and it was like socially acceptable. Crazy how things have changed. I feel it depends what you look like too. Yes, it does.

I mean, maybe if you look like Cuomo, people are like, don't touch my elbow. I think that's a big part to play. Is that what he got in trouble for? Was it just like elbow touching or Or was it something like more? Yeah, there's something more. But, you know, if we say too much, YouTube will probably... Ah, okay. Yeah.

So it was a little bit more. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think one of the accusations is legit like a criminal offense. Yeah, and he might get arrested for it. But, hey, look, innocent until proven guilty. Here's the issue. He admitted it.

Not the most egregious offense. He's denied that. But most women, like there's a photo of him holding a woman's face. Like he's literally got his hands on the sides of her head. Okay. And then she claimed he touched her inappropriately. And Cuomo was like, I never touched her inappropriately. And there's a photo of him literally holding the woman's head.

And I'm like, that's not inappropriate. That's really weird. Yeah. I don't know what year was it how old is this guy was when he grew up it was like a normal thing for dudes to walk up to him and just grab their heads and that was like a sign of endearment or something is that normal i don't think the head grabbing thing was real i think like a hand around the waist when you're walking by or something if you're like an old dude or like on the shoulder

or something or like maybe on the side of the head like i can see that coming from an old man and just doesn't know what things are like now but uh face grab that's a little odd face grab like yeah like two hands yeah two hands i think we talked about it on the show before too and like we showed the photo and she's got this look on her face like dear lord help me my face yeah like oh man the other best part about it is that when he was defending himself a few days ago he plays this video where he's like i do it to everybody if you're white if you're black if you're gay or straight a man or a woman and he's showing videos of him grabbing people's heads okay i feel like that's fair then he's like it's just my thing I don't know just because he does it to everybody

I don't think it makes it worse it makes it worse oh it makes it worse okay I think it makes it better yeah I mean it's not good for him and it's probably not a good social thing to do as a person but like then it's you're not special lady so wasn't his defense

I'm Italian? Because that seems like a terrible excuse. I feel like that's also a good excuse. That's part of it. I'm Italian, I'm old, and I do it to everyone. Can we confirm that, that he said that? Don't blame me. Blame the Italian in me.

I know that he mentioned it. I don't know if it was actually his defense that I was like, what? Dude, I know Italians like to talk with their hands each other yeah i get that yeah i totally get that but it's like i don't know dude that might be a little bit too much and if people are giving you signs like as you're getting older you need to be maybe you don't care though i mean haven't you noticed like the older you get the older you get the less you care can you imagine what happens when you hit like that age how old is he 65 yeah he's over 60 i guess i guess he said i'm an over 60 italian american male the boston globe says that is not a defense for harassment it's really not though

okay but to be fair things have definitely changed the lines have moved like girls can now take you in for anything like if you put i feel weird when people put their hand on my waist i find that to be strange lower back yeah like lower back like i find that to be a little bit weird like please don't do that to me if you take it i feel like that's always made people feel a little weird though i don't think that's i don't think the line like i can't well i'm not sure i think it depends on how the guy looks i think you might be right about that too like if you see that cartoon where it's like this really ugly guy and she's like, oh, it's sexual harassment. And then the same thing happens with this really good looking guy.

Yeah. Oh, hey, what's going on? You know, yeah. Go out for dinner or whatever. It's totally different. I don't know. Women are really kind of strange and touchy now, too, though. So it might be like way different, especially for.

Yeah. People have gotten touchier for sure. Yeah. Women have always been strange, though. That's that's hands on the waist is like opportunity it's like a it's like an act of opportunity for a guy from my perspective it definitely is like you're going you're crossing the line it feels like you're like you're this like wild beast and i can't i can't condone that it was how i was raised though so maybe that's why i think that we we have this uh the comment that's the comment yeah it's uh it's this the comic. That's the comic I was talking about.

Yeah. It's this like suave-looking guy with Santa's pocket. It's like, looking good, Susan. And she says, aw, you're sweet. Yes. And the next one is like a chubby, portly guy, and he says, looking good, Susan. And she says, hello, human resources. Yeah.

The funny thing about this is Mad Magazine made a similar comic a long time ago. It was a mad look at public – it was a mad look at love or something like that. I can't remember. I remember reading it when I was a kid. And it shows two beautiful looking people and they're like kissing in public. I think that's what I've seen. And then everyone's going like, aww.

And the next panel was two fat people doing it and everyone's like all angry. There's something really interesting about it though when you mention like the hand on the back or whatever. Like is that sexual? Is the man walking with the woman and putting his hand on the small of her back and guiding her forward,

is he doing that as some kind of perverse or sexual action? He says yes. I wouldn't say, I don't know, perverse, but I would say whenever that's been done to me, I get that kind of what's going on thing. It's not like, maybe upper back, maybe that's kind of guiding what's going on thing. Yeah. It's not like, you know, maybe upper back. Maybe that's like kind of guiding. But anything like lower back, I at least have the bodily response of like, okay, what's

happening here? And I think that's because that's not often touched. And I think that's just the bottom line. Putting your hands on someone's face. To me, that's really weird. Like that's a strange crossing. If you put your hand on someone's face. 60-year-old Italians are all the time.

I don't know, man. I don't know. Cuomo grabbing some lady's head. I mean, you can handshake is fine. A high five is cool. Yeah. A hug if you both like, want to. Yeah.

So there are different ways that you can hug somebody too. You don't usually hug a guy full on, up front, up close. Hug him like a triangle or whatever. Whatever you want to do or on one side. How do you hug like a triangle? You just keep your lower bodies apart. Oh. You lean your chest and it goes?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. We have the photo. Oh, no. It's not like he's grabbing her head, but he's got his hands under her, on her neck. Yeah. And he's holding her up.

Sorry you can't see it, Michaela. But he's got this weird lip biting thing going on. At the same time? Yeah. Oh, yuck. So creepy. See, that's the line. I don thing going on. At the same time? Yeah. Ooh, yuck. See, that's the line. That's too much. Yeah, I don't like that.

Uncomfortable. He looks really creepy. He does look creepy. In the woman's face, she's like, ugh. Wow, man. You know what bothers me about this is that people are, it feels like people are piling on. I don't like this behavior where one person comes out and is like, he aggressed on me, and then two more, and then three more, and then all of a sudden there's 11 people.

And I don't want to set a precedent or continue a precedent that it's okay to pile on. Well, why not, though? I mean, look, if these women are scared to speak up because he's powerful, he's Cuomo, and then one woman finally says, look what he did, and then another woman feels comfortable now because she feels she wouldn't be alone in this. Like someone broke the barrier so that others could come forward. And it comes out like a dam breaking. It's tricky because sometimes you have that for popularity, right?

Like, oh, it also happened to me. And then you get your name in the news. Yeah, kind of like that. But also I think just as human beings, especially if they're not outspoken ones, it's really hard to be the first to do something. And so you could easily be being like, well, maybe I'm the only one. No one's going to believe me. Maybe it'll just go away type of thing. Although if it's just like a head hold.

So here's something. It's not yet. Although there's worse apparently. There is something interesting here, though, that I think we need to consider when it comes to men and women working in the same place i don't think there will ever be a circumstance where there could be true social equality in the sense not like workplace like a career or revenue but just what you can or cannot say to a man and woman will never be equal right what two men can say to each other they will never be allowed to say between a man and woman what two women can say to each other they can't say to men.

So one example would be like the one I always give is if two guys are like, you know, coming into work. One guy's in the elevator and then the other guy walks in and he goes, oh, damn, that's a new suit, huh? Man, you get that tailored? You're looking cut. So you got a new haircut too, man. Punches him in the shoulder or pats him on the shoulder. Or what if he says like. Sup, sexy?

My thoughts? Yeah, absolutely. I say that. That's what i said yeah yeah so so but but i think the issue of complimenting a guy's new tailored suit like wow jim new suit looking killer that is amazing you get that specially done plus the haircut man it's working really well that's a guy complimenting being like you're looking sharp man totally fine now imagine the woman walks in wearing a dress. Whoa! Did you get that dress tailored? That is looking sharp. Wow, I love what you're doing with this look. The sirens are going off. All of a sudden it's like, whoa. Does it depend?

Okay, I agree. First of all, I agree. And I think for the majority of women, it would be weird. I think that there are certain types of personalities that would be able to work with men. I don't think it's the average woman, though. I'm kind of in agreement there.

I think there's, well, like, obviously men and women can work together, but there's going to be some weird dynamic, and you're going to be like, is this going to be offensive, or how is this going to be taken? What can I say exactly? I personally, I'll tell people this. So I have a team of people. Everybody who works for me right now are men. And I used to, my best friend used to work with me, and she's a girl.

And that was fine, but we're, like, very similar people, pretty disagreeable, and I could tell her whatever, and she's not offended by anything. But I've noticed if I hire someone and they're female, I have to be careful about how I talk to them, even giving criticism. I feel like, and maybe it's me, but I feel like I have to be a little bit nicer, a little bit more gentler. Whereas with a dude, I can be like, can you just not do this again? And they're like, yeah, no problem, won't do it again.

But if it's female, I'm like, okay, you did this a little bit wrong, here's how to do it a little bit better. Overall, you're doing a great job. Everything's fine. Please don't be upset. No, this is really interesting. I remember reading there was a study about gender discrimination in the workplace that found women female bosses are equally as likely to discriminate as a male boss yeah maybe if not more but it was just equal i

think it said something like it was equal as likely like it the issue wasn't um the the gender the gender of the boss the issue was the behavior of the employees and then there was like a tendency among women like more agreeableness and things like that, which resulted in the more like executive stern types to behave in a specific way that was not related to gender or, you know, whatever. Yeah. That doesn't surprise me at all. I think a lot of that's personality. Yeah. And I think you're completely right because I am, like you said, I am the kind of person who wants to know how I can improve, not just that I did something wrong. So please like give me positive feedback and be like, all right, so you did well with this,

did well with this, this needs work and this is fine. So I think that that management style of like two, you know, a positive, negative and positive, like the sandwich is very much like a feminine thing and trying to protect. Yeah. I think that's a good management style anyway. It just takes more effort than just being like look i don't i like you as a person it's not offensive it's just can you fix this next time right and then instead of having somebody's soul crushed do you think that like behavior transcends gender that and that because i know jordan talks a lot about this i mean i, I'm obsessed with that guy. What's up, dude?

That men and women have intrinsic behavioral patterns. Not that every woman has it, but that women are more nurturing and men are more into things. Women are more into people. But it's not always the case. Obviously, there are people that that transcend that that dichotomy. And I wonder if, you know, especially with the what were the age of like a thousand genders and heteronormativity and what do you call it? Post-modernism. Like maybe there's something maybe maybe we're all becoming like genderless, you know, babies in test tubes.

I don't think so. I mean, i think i think society is changing in a way that encourages certain behaviors and stuff but testosterone plays a role man and a lot of things i think people are getting sicker and that's part of the problem interesting like i think that if you're on i mean i don't know what percentage of the population is on some sort of like psych med at the moment or on yeah and. And since COVID has gotten worse and those things have like they make people different than they are. So I think people like obviously people are getting sick. One in five people have an autoimmune disorder. People are gaining weight like mad. And I think that comes with mental problems. And I think that screws up your

behavior, including probably the more normal like feminine and masculine behavior it's interlinked i think i think people who are living unhealthy lives are more likely to have some kind of illness that requires medication which then in turn creates this cycle of addiction and endless ailment i suppose i do want to i think we should we should uh i want to loop back to this other story we have because i think that will lead us into a bigger conversation about like diet and health and stuff that i want to say for a little bit because we have this story that it beautifully jumps us into

how critical race theory is I shouldn't say critical race theory but critical gender theory, critical race theory and wokeism is manifesting in society. So as we're talking about like Cuomo and women and stuff and these dynamics, we have this story. Nick Cannon calls having children with one woman a Eurocentric concept.

The TV presenter has seven children with four different women. So perhaps he's only saying that because he's non-monogamous. But they say Cannon welcomed twins Zion Mixalidian and Zillionyer with Abby De La Rosa on June 14th. His son, Zen, whom he shares with model Alyssa Scott, was born nine days after Zillion and Zion. Additionally, Cannon welcomed daughter Powerful Queen back in December with Brittany Bell, with whom he also shares four-year-old son, Golden. Cannon is also dad to 10-year-old twins, son Moroccan and daughter Monroe, with ex-wife Mariah Carey, says People Magazine.

Wow, I didn't know that about him. Holy moly. Yeah. So when pressed about having multiple children with so many women, Cannon said monogamy was a Eurocentric concept just to classify property. Just like the idea that a man should have one woman, we shouldn't have anything. I have no ownership over this person. If we're really talking about how we coexist and how we populate, it's about what exchange can we create together.

Those women and all women are the ones that open themselves up to say, I would like to allow this man in my world and I will birth this child. So it ain't my decision. I'm just following suit. This is amazing. I mean, he's basically absolving himself of some responsibility when it comes to having these kids in a way that we're probably not used to i hear from people all the time the dude will say something like we're pregnant like referring to him and his significant other yeah but you hear that a lot yeah i know but it's kind of repulsive like no we're pregnant fuck you have you been pregnant you're not pregnant i guess but the point like, that's at least the guy is saying, like, this is something we're doing together. I guess.

This is him being like, hey, they wanted to have kids. Don't look at me. You know? Yes, yes. I see where you're coming from. Monroe is a great name for a girl. Monroe? That wasn't what you were looking at for a comment.

Interesting names, right? Powerful queen. I feel like, though, to be fair for Nick Cannon, like he probably, he must've had discussions with these women that was like, this is who I am. And I'm, this is how your life is going to be. Do you want to do this? And they still were like, yes. So do you think, or was he just like, by the way, you're nine months pregnant.

There's two other people who are also eight. Come on. Hold on. He had a kid in December. Yeah. Now he's having another kid. Like they must know, I guess. kid in December. Yeah. Now he's having another kid. Like, they must know, I guess. I guess, right?

Yeah, they must know because she would have been visibly pregnant unless – they must know. Unless he – I don't have no idea. I think, you know, what it may be is that in the modern world of feminism, these women have the means to take care of themselves. Yeah. So they're less concerned about whether or not there's going to be a dad who's going to be paying for and supporting the family. The Catholic Church. I see what they're saying about the Eurocentric thing is because

the Catholic Church is big on monogamy. I don't know if they were doing it for control or if they wanted the man to stay with the woman to raise the family. But when you look at the Muslim faith, a guy would have seven wives. Yeah, but in the Muslim world, the man is still a part of the family. Like you have more than one wife, but it becomes like a big family and you're there and taking care of them and all the kids.

Right. My crazy. Wow. Theoretically, that's what we're told. I just want to point out people in Asia get married. This is the problem with this critical race theory stuff. It's just a lie, an excuse to for whatever behavior they're engaging in that they want an excuse to engage in. So sure, if it is like monogamy is the traditional or social norm, and now you're trying to not do

that, so you just blame Eurocentric, you know, Eurocentrism or whatever. It's like Asians got married and they're very family oriented. You know, the kids. How long have they been getting married for? In Asia? Yeah. I don't know the history, but I do know that,

you know, just think about the concept of arranged marriages, for instance, that go back thousands of years. I think they would have concubines in Asia. So they would have one wife

and then like seven concubines and it would be women that they just had sex with and had kids with. I think certainly people do that. That was an Asian cultural thing. And like the Mongols would have concubines. They would have lots of – they weren't – that's the thing is they would get around it by saying, you know, she's just my side.

Right, but there are Asian cultures that are very family-oriented. They were very like – they had these ideas of different clans would come together, different families essentially. What do you guys think about monogamy in general? Like is it the way of the future? I think two parents is scientifically, if you look at most of the data, proven to help raise kids better I suppose. Or I suppose it should be the standard and kids who don't have two parents in the house end up doing poorly, more likely to do drugs, more likely to go to jail. So I think that's important. But ultimately, I think there's a lot of people, we've got to make sure we don't fall into the trap of this is the way it's always been. So this is the way we must

keep doing it. We need to make sure that we're constantly looking at like what actually helps and benefits society. Now, we know two parents does. So it's a problem then when you see like Black Lives Matter say that we want to, you know, what do they say, disrupt the nuclear family. We don't want kids with single parents. You know, the data shows that's really bad for them. So I don't know if, I would say monogamy is a path towards that. But, I don't know, man, we're a perpetually libertarian society in a way.

Now, we've got this weird authoritarianism, which is more disruptive of tradition as opposed to being pro-freedom. So I don't know ultimately what happens, but I can say I think the direction the critical race theorists, critical gender theorists want to go would be more destructive, whether you're for or against monogamy.

They would, Native Americans, I think, they may not be the Native Americans, but there were tribes, I think, where they would raise, the whole tribe would raise all the kids because the guys would have sex with all the women. None of the women knew who the father was. So they would like collectively raise all the children together. That's interesting. I never heard that.

To me, that almost sounds a little bit like a communistic way to raise children. It's like when Hillary Clinton was saying it takes the village to raise a child. That's a little bit strange to me. And Ian, you mentioned the church. And that's interesting to me as well, because the way I was raised, we were taught that Christ is the head of the church and treated the church as his wife. So it was like a big, it's literally like a big family, but it wasn't like that communistic raising of the kids. It was like a structure for the way that the family should be mom, dad, kids. And it was like really simple, the way that the family should be. Mom, dad, kids. And it was like really simple, really fundamental, really basic.

And we can see that that's a good way to raise kids is to have both parents in the home. They need to be together. It needs to be structural. I'm hugely in favor of monogamy if possible. Yeah, but I think everything's just falling apart. Well, yeah, that's true. I think everything's falling apart. I've always wondered.

So there's studies on monogamy, not to be like the anti-monogamy person because I'm not, but the studies on monogamy showing two-parent households lead to more success for your children. People who end up splitting up also aren't as well, generally speaking, right? So are all those studies controlling for IQ and mental illness and things? Because you could say, I mean, if you're going to have two people who are not doing well in the same house but would be doing better apart I would argue that it's better to have both parents happy

than have them arguing in the same house but so I just I don't know how the studies were done and then were there studies before when monogamy wasn't the main thing I think I would I would assume they account for something like this, but it is a good point. I doubt it. All these scientific studies that I've read, like there's such glaring flaws.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't account for something well. IQ, I mean, no one accounts for IQ anymore anyway. Yeah. I mean, it's a good point though if like the mom is on drugs and the dad isn't. Yeah. Then it's like, yeah. The kid would do a lot better. Yeah. Then it's like, yeah. The kid would do a lot better. Yeah.

Although I guess you run into the risk then of divorce courts favoring women. There was an old case that I read about years and years ago where a man divorced his wife because she was doing drugs. Oh, no. And then when they went to court, the court sided with the mom. And even though he was like, you can't give my kids to this woman. She is doing drugs. And then she ended up killing them somehow jeez holy shit yeah it was like it was some some negligence or something she was drugged and you know the young kids ended up dying somehow i can't remember the exact story i mean you probably google something yeah well divorce court is a

whole nother thing right oh yeah yeah yeah you get the uh migtow got banned on reddit so you'll get you'll get all those you know migtow really yeah... MGTOW got banned on Reddit. What? So you'll get all those... You know MGTOW? Really? Yeah. Yeah, they got banned on Reddit a few weeks ago. So when you mention all this stuff, it's a legitimate problem. I didn't know they got banned on Reddit.

That sucks. That's intense. Yeah. Yeah, well, the censorship, they're homogenizing their view of what they want the culture to be. So they're excising portions one at a time. Yeah, the legality of marriage is very weird because marriage, the word means to mix. So like two people spending a lot of time together, mixing their energy or essentially in a form of marriage, whether the law says it or not, doesn't really matter.

Yeah. So that's like a common law marriage. It's something like seven years with the same person. Oh, in Canada, it's a lot shorter. I thought it was like, this is going to be wrong, but it's two or three if you're living in the same household in Ontario anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty. Yeah. I thought it was like, this is going to be wrong, but it's two or three. It may be different. If you're living in the same household in Ontario anyway. Yeah, yeah. Wow, really?

Yeah, it's pretty fast. And I'm pretty sure if you split up after that, if you've been living together, then you still have court to deal with. Oh, wow. Even though you're not, yeah. What if you're just roommates? No, no, no. You have to be in a relationship. Like you have to declare it?

Yeah, but what if they say that you are? It's iffy. I would assume that that's still okay. I mean, when you're filling out taxes and things, you can put yourself as common law. So if you started filling that in, then maybe that might screw you out over in the future. But it's short. I think it's three years. Dude.

So I look at the monogamy and polyamory thing and polygamy thing, I guess. Polygamy. People talking about marrying multiple women. I don't know about that. But we're seeing a lot of these memes now where it's like one woman and like five guys. Like, I don't know. You see them on Reddit.

You mean the one when she's on the couch? No, that's a different one. I'm talking to a slightly different. Yeah, different one. But we know that one. We're all familiar with that one. No, there's memes of like, it'll be like four dudes on a couch

and they all have their arms around like the one woman. And it's talking about like, you know, polyamorous relationships and things like that. Very unattractive people. Regardless of whatever, there's a few things to say. One, not all change is good. Not all change is bad. But I definitely think this is just a sign of things falling apart. Like to have kids with a bunch of different women and be like, well, you know, they wanted to do it. It's like,

yeah, but I'm sure he's still going to be there raising his kids, but he's raising a lot of kids in a lot of different places, and he's not going to be able to provide the same kind of leadership that somebody who is, you know, in a family with kids will be. And more to the point, I'm just saying it's just another sign of, I think, we're

facing, we were facing for a long time, cultural stagnation. Movies were reboots, comics, everything was just regurgitated garbage, lowest common denominator, and now it's cultural decay. The movies are getting worse. Have you seen Warrior, the TV show? No. Is it good? It's so good.

Okay. What is it? It's about San Francisco and the Triads in the 1800s it's like a cowboy western but it's asian people it's epic warrior other than that society's over but yeah electric dreams i've been talking about because i just watched that i think it's a couple years old i'm not sure a year old dreams yeah it's philip k dick like that's cool i like that they adapted the book into you know our stories into these episodes of the show it's Philip K. Dick. That's cool. I like that. They adapted the book or stories into these episodes of the show. It's kind of like Black Mirror. It's a pretty good show. It's an anthology.

I'm not saying there's nothing good happening. It's just like... Just warrior. There was a period where we made new things. We wrote Christmas music and then we played them over and over again. Then it got to a point where a few years ago I was like, everything's stagnant. We're rebooting movies. We're remaking comic books, Spider-Man 12.

We just keep doing it over and over and over again. The same thing instead of making new things. Now we're at the point where they're starting to regurgitate the same content but in worse, worse ways. Like the movies, Get Well, Go Broke, as people often bring up when it comes to video games, movies. They'll try to redo Ghostbusters. And this is where the regurgitation becomes from stagnation to decay i see we should right we should call it us the second harvest of the film industry and that comes from the native americans when they would have a like a famine they would eat the

seeds and then they would poop them out and then sift through it and wash them off and eat them again i feel like we're at a Isn't that true? The second harvest. So we're going to jump to this story, Get What, Go Broke, because this is a good example. We got the story from Yahoo, Washington Examiner. Subway franchisees want to drop Megan Rapinoe's new ad amid Olympic controversy. I think this is a really good example of cultural and political decay. Not only that, it's a Get What, Go Broke, right? So the Subway has that commercial with Megan Rapinoe, and she kicks the sandwich at some guy, and he catches decay. Not only that, it's a get what go broke, right? So the subway has that commercial with Megan Rapinoe and she kicks the sandwich at some guy

and he catches it. Something like that. I don't know. It's one of those ridiculous. Yeah, the subway sandwich. But then she kneels at the Olympics and that's a very overtly political move and gesture, which puts you at odds with half the country. If you don't kneel, nobody cares. If you do kneel, you've made half the country angry. So now the Subwise the Subwise, the Subway franchisees are saying that they're going to be losing money. Let me read the story and then we'll get into it.

From the examiner, they say, Subwife, Subwise. You did it. I keep doing it again. You got this. Subwise. Samwise Gamgee. Subway franchisees are in discussions to drop Team USA soccer star Megan Rapinoe from a new ad amid her national anthem protest at the 2020 Olympic Games in Tokyo. Rapinoe, who signed with the company as a spokeswoman this spring, regularly pushes her political views, usually calls for equal rights and an end to the gender pay gap. These views are getting in the way of the company's reputation and sales, some of the store owners argued during a discussion forum last month.

At the event hosted by the North American Association of Subway Franchisees, franchisees discussed removing Rapinoe from a new ad where she kicks a soccer ball at a person holding a burrito, citing complaints they have received from their customers about her. Quote, Subway Company doesn't own any of its nearly 22,000 stores, but charges franchisees 4.5% of their revenue for the use of its brand and national advertising campaigns. These campaigns, an Arizona franchisee argued at the forum, should use the revenue to advertise the product, not politics. Spending our money to make a political statement is completely and totally out of bounds. So here's what I see with this. It is pop culture for half the country to do these things. The politics are mostly meaningless. They often don't mean anything. What is kneeling in the Olympics? What does it mean? What is it doing? What is it representing? You're not conveying

a strong idea. It's just a general protest move. It's not advancing any cause other than corporate politics, I suppose, and signaling to half the country that you agree with some kind of view of the country or whatever. Very much in line typically with critical race applied principles, things like the 1619 project, which are to me signs of cultural and political decay in this country. Then you can see how it's affecting business. They're losing money now because of it. So it's enterprise. Now businesses are starting to hurt because of the

weird things people are doing. I think the country is split apart in a bunch of different ways. I think culturally, this is the best we have to offer. Like, okay, this is a person on TV who cares about their politics. Now the businesses are getting hurt by it. This just says to me that we've gone from stagnation to decay. The businesses lose money. I mean, you can't do it. Get well, go broke. We knew that something like that would happen. Now they're complaining about it. What do we do? Do we reverse course and say, we're Americans, we love America?

Or do we keep propping up celebrities who, for pop culture points, virtue signal about how America is evil or some other garbage? I think it's the fuel. I think it's the food. I don't think you can, like, make people. Garbage in, garbage out. Yeah, you can't make people change. You have to change the environment that they exist within. Well, you can make people change, but it's not like to go up to a person and be like, stop doing that.

It's to be like, here's the thing we're doing that works. Maybe it'll work for you. You know what I mean? I think you have to start making patriotism cool for young people. Like it looks like a lot of these ideas travel bottom up. Like if your parents are telling you something, you're just like, screw off, right? But if it comes slowly from the bottom, and the problem right now is with elementary schools and what they're teaching there, it starts at the bottom and it just ruins society on the way up.

That's what I think. So then how do you change that? Imagine you've got a jenga tower and at the very bottom they're chipping away at those jenga blocks and everything else is going to come crashing down when they do this stuff and we're seeing the ramifications of that so but but i think it's a little i think it's it's i think the stagnation of our culture is is a um is an important point to bring up in this context. Just that at a certain point, people started resting on the laurels of their ancestors. I guess it's like good times make weak men, as the saying goes, right? So what happens when you have a horrible, barren wasteland of a country,

and in order to survive, you strive and work hard, and you're sweating and working nonstop. You create wealth and luxury. Then your kids grow up knowing wealth and luxury, but the hard work that as you tell them in the work they do by the third generation. It's like they say, you know, wealth lasts three generations. So I don't it's almost like the fourth turning. I suppose we're at this point now where, yeah, these kids haven't experienced any hardship. Yeah. They have no reason to support the flag or the country or the troops or anything. They're just like,

this country sucks. It's evil. I hate it. I'm mad. And now from the bottom up, the kids are salty. And then what happens? Everything falls from the top. Yeah, and then I think usually when, I don't know if the world's been in a similar situation, but I think usually when a society

falls and there's this huge war, then you have that repeat again, right i was in i was in serbia last year and they were just in a war with you guys i believe in the 90s oh yeah that's right yeah yeah and they're yeah and um they were like there's still bombed buildings there and so everyone there when covet hit they're like yeah we just we were just in the 90s we not doing this. Like we're not doing the same thing as everybody else. We're not shutting down like everyone else. Uh, and there were riots and things because people still remembered how it was because they've experienced hardship. Like everyone there, someone was injured or like they, they remember it. And here it's been decades since there was Vietnam war or some sort of war or

something really dramatic. And now we have COVID, which is pretty dramatic for people. It's wrecked a lot of people's lives, killed a lot of people. And so we're in this turning point where are we going to end up coming together or is everything just going to crumble forever? How do you introduce this to your kid? I teach this teacher that most people are really stupid, right? Like she's in Montessori Daycare, and some kid went up to her the other day and was like, you shouldn't eat meat because it comes from animals, and that's bad.

And I was just like, those people don't know how to eat. Like lots of people don't know how to eat. Like their parents didn't teach them. They don't know how to eat. Like there are a lot of stupid people. They're going to bug you. Just like, yeah, okay. Yeah.

We've had some, I have a funny story actually. So she came home and some little boy came up to her and was telling her she wasn't allowed to draw. And I was with my dad at dinner and I was like, okay, you can ignore those people. Just tell them to bug off. I was like, just tell them to bug off because there are a lot of annoying people. They'll bug you. You're allowed to draw if you're allowed to draw and my dad came in and was

like just sock him just sock him and I was like that's fine that's what he taught me when I was in kindergarten was just like I never socked anybody in kindergarten but like just sock the biggest kid or if anyone bugs you sock him so he's teaching my four-year-old to punch so we're teaching and I was like okay that's fine like you know she can tell we're joking maybe she's four and so it was literally the next day she came back and she's like i punched somebody and i was like oh my god we have like this was supposed to be a joke and now like you got into a physical fight at school and you're four um but it turns out the little boy came over the same one that told her not to draw, and pushed her. Oh. And she punched him back.

And I was like, okay, in that case, good for you. Yeah. Self-defense, yeah. That's my funny story. I was worried your dad was trying to radicalize children into violence, you know, but I'm glad it was just a joke. No. It was a joke, but she took it seriously. Good for her.

Did he ever beat up a bully growing up? My dad? Yeah. I don't think so, no. He was pretty small. Like, he's tall now. He's 6'2". But he was, he skipped a grade, so he was a year younger than everybody, so he was the

one who was bullied. Right. And he was super mouthy, so he was really bullied. I'm not sure if I could do it all again if I was four. Jack him in the face. Yeah, yeah. So, no. No, no, no.

Violence, violence. No, no, no. But what do you think? When a bully attacks a kid is the kid justified in fighting back self-defense yeah 100 otherwise you're also gonna get you're gonna get bullied forever like i have friends and they they go to a teacher or something they do it that way and then you just get picked on forever i got picked on a few times and i switched into like if you do that again i'll break your nose because i know how to break noses it was very dramatic but it was like okay and that stops things right away but if it's like oh no like

don't do that or go talk to an adult you're just going to get tortured throughout high school so yeah self-defense for sure i i mean if if if you have the there's this uh there's two really great videos they're both from martial artists giving advice and one guy it's this great video where he's like the ultimate technique to win any fight and everyone's like crowding on all these students want to hear from the martial arts master of this ultimate technique and then he's like this one move will guarantee you will win any fight and then he stands there and then as soon as they say fight he turns around runs and he's like he just runs away and then everyone starts laughing and clapping and he's like any fight you out of, unscathed is a fight you've won.

You know, and he's less crude, but it's like the saying goes, you know, if you get into a pissing contest, you just get covered in piss. So you get into a fight with somebody, you're going to get hurt. If you have the opportunity not to, to avoid it somehow, and that includes getting picked on all the time, you have to. But if you're in a position where someone's attacking you, you need to defend yourself. I don't know if I agree with that. Like, people get tortured throughout high school. Some people are just like picked on and picked on and picked on and their entire social circle falls and they end up as the outcast. I think if you're in that kind of situation, you end up punching someone who's picking on you.

I think that's the way to go. But I think we're saying we're not necessarily disagreeing. If you are defending yourself from someone attacking you, like you have to defend yourself. But even if it's attacking with words? What do you mean? Well, I mean picking on. I don't mean picking on physically. I mean like I went to an art school.

Nobody fought anybody there. But there was a lot of bullying over social media or just in person or behind your back. I don't know. I think like a solid – that's how I manage. Close your eyes. It's like I'll hit you if you keep doing this. I love that – what was it? Tyler, the creator?

I can't remember. Where he was like, how is cyberbullying a real thing? Like just close your eyes. Just like turn the screen off. You can't though. Not with social media now. I mean we're live. You can't turn the –

If I engaged with every nasty thing someone said about me online, I wouldn't have a job. I'd be too busy having to go through it. I'd just ignore it all. I'd just turn it having to go through it. I just ignore it all. I just turn it off. That's fair. But high school? Yeah, because then you'll go into school on Monday and then people, if you hear them whispering about you, I've never experienced that.

As a girl, no. But I think it's a different level as a girl. I really do. I think that men are more likely to get into physical fights and women are more likely to destroy your life by forming little posses and being like, oh, yeah, this person slept with that person. Even if you didn't, like, it gets mean and dark and can, like, destroy you.

I think you just got to be above it. I think, you know, I always... I think you haven't been a high school girl. I haven't. I mean, he's not. But here's what I would explain to my friends, right? There were people who would fart in class and then turn blush red,

and everyone would start laughing at them and pointing, like, eh oh you farted shut up no i didn't shut up yeah and then there were the other people more like me who would hey hey ian and laugh and everyone's like oh you're a jerk i'm like i don't care i do whatever i want you can't make fun because i don't care about what you think so if you go into school and you're and you're worried about everyone's thinking about you you're the person who farts i think it's embarrassed okay we're on the same page then here. Because how I countered bullying from women was not only doing the not caring but also addressing it. Being like, don't talk shit about me unless you want to fight.

Like, seriously, straight up. So it wasn't – I think that's a similar page. But like shirking away from it and ignoring it certainly didn't work with women. I just kind of feel like right now, you know, I've dealt with this. A lot of people have dealt with this. A lot of people get so stressed, you know, working in politics and culture, being online. It's endless harassment. I mean the death threats and the creepy comments and just the insanity.

And I'm just like, I don't care, dude. You know, sit in your little room. Say whatever you and i'm just like i don't care dude you know sit in your little room say whatever you want to say i just don't care i'm gonna keep doing my thing and you know what it's like i guess eventually it could be a horde of zombies piling up in front of you know my car and then my car stops that's and okay well i guess it happened but i see all these lies all these all the all the manipulation all the lies all the smears i'm just like dude i don't know you and i don't care what you think and you are free to hate me you know it's like i get i get journalists being like so and so made this accusation about you and i'm like so and so can call me whatever they want

they're allowed to believe whatever they want to believe i don't care did it go on for like 10 years or 15 years though what do you mean the the abuse the bullying people bro it has been a decade of me doing public political work. I mean in person. I think what's happening, the reason a lot of social decay... I got physically attacked during Occupy Wall Street. In school, as a kid. I think a lot of the kids that are...

I didn't grow up with social media, so I didn't have this level of abuse where it's also happening when you're at home. I would go into school, I'd get pushed around a little bit, and then I would leave school and it would be done. I just left school. I was 14. You left school.

I was like, I'm out. Don't waste my time. I wonder if the social decay is related to the kids growing up in this environment. Yeah. Social media? Probably. What did Michael Malice say? That schools are one of the only places that children will experience violence?

Right. He did, yeah. They're like little prisons. Yeah. Dude, Jordan's an example of the evolution of education because he left that system and now he's teaching online in a voluntary system where people can come when they want listen as long as they want and then leave that's that's how i uh when i was i've had the internet since i was a little kid we had compu serve on dos so i grew up with AOL in its early stages, Windows 3 from DOS, Shell. We had DOS, then we had DOS, Shell.

We had Windows 3.1. What was the other Windows? We had the original Windows. We had all of it. Windows 95? No, no, no. Windows 95. I don't know.

It was the one where it was just gray boxes and you'd like – Before 3.1? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we had 3.1. Then we had 95. I was on AOL the whole time. We had AIM. Cable.1. Then we had 95. I was on AOL the whole time. We had AIM. Cable internet came out.

We got cable. We were on instant message the whole time. I have been on the internet, and I was able to Google search websites. I was able to talk with other people, and that allowed me to experience the real world from adults. And not pretty at all, but hey, look, the Internet's a nasty place. But then there's a big difference between when you're a kid and you're in school and the teachers treat you like an other, like you're not an adult. You're not to be talked to like an adult. You're not to be taught like an adult. You actually get raised by the children around you.

So it's no wonder that millennials are basically permanent children. I grew up with the Internet where there was adults on forums talking about music and things like that that I was into and game development. And so there would be someone who would be like, hey, here's how you do X, Y, and Z. And they wouldn't treat me like a child because they didn't know. All they knew was someone said, hey, how do you do the parallax scrolling thing I saw in that video game? It's really, really cool. And they'd say, oh, here's how you do it. And here's the code.

And then I'd be like, awesome. And then I'd go and do it. I think you're right. And I think that compounding this being raised by other children is the fact that you can literally always run to a parent or an adult when something goes wrong. And I really think that's a huge problem now in the colleges. You see these students who are incapable of handling

even the slightest amount of friction when it comes to their world view. And that makes them intolerant. It makes them need safe spaces. It's actually a really big problem. It happens on Twitter, man. People are like, he said that word. Let's get him. Yeah.

What are you doing? What authority are you obsessed with? Also, is that's the biggest problem in your life? Like, what is, because what can, what do I do to get that to be the biggest problem in my life? Someone said this word on Twitter. That's what I want my problems in life to be. This is what I'm saying, man.

We were saying before, physical health. If you don't have physical health, nothing else health nothing else matters as soon as you get sick but how do you how do you how do you get people to understand that without making them sick i don't um i think there are certain ways you can talk about it i don't think that you can really understand it until you've been sick especially mentally ill i think it's very difficult to understand mentally ill people unless you've been there. So I think I've done an all right job describing some of the experiences I've had,

but only because I'm out of it now. And I think a lot of people who are that sick don't get out of it. So I don't know how you describe it. I feel like your solution kind of defies modern logic. Yes. So you're doing the carnivore diet, and you only eat lamb? Yeah.

So there's the carnivore diet, which is all animal products, and that's the one that you see in the news, like eggs, milk, anything that comes from an animal, carnivore diet. I reframed mine as the lion diet, which is insane. But I did that. I did that. And that's beef, lamb, or any type of rumen in animals. So animals that have multiple stomachs.

Rumen. Oh, really? Yeah. Not any ungulate. What's that? Hoofed mammal. I feel like not any of them. Like horses aren't.

Yeah. Giraffes are. Goats? Yeah. Giraffes are? Yeah. Oh, God. I hope I'm any of them. Like horses aren't. Yeah. Giraffes are. Goats? Yeah. Giraffes are? Yeah. Wow. Oh, God.

I hope I'm right about that. I'm pretty sure giraffes are a ruminant animal. So you'll eat like beef and what? Beef and lamb. Yeah. Elk sometimes. Nothing else. And salt and water.

And I reintroduced tea recently. But you do alcohol from time to time? Yeah, and that just discredits my entire diet. They're like, okay, you're only eating, oh yeah, sure, so you have an autoimmune disorder, but you can drink alcohol. But it's distilled. So like vodka and bourbon, there's nothing in it. It's distilled like three times.

Most people probably don't know what distillation is, but it removes all the grain. So I don't have any autoimmune problems from alcohol. Because I would imagine like fruit breaks down into alcohol in your system, I think. And it's probably really, really good for your cardio. Yeah, but there's a whole bunch of things in fruit that aren't. It's not just like pure alcohol. Right.

Like vodka, yeah, pretty pure. Where do you get your vitamin C from? So there's a tiny bit of vitamin C in meat, a tiny bit. And it turns out if you're not eating any carbs, glucose and vitamin C compete. So if you don't have glucose, you don't use as much vitamin C. So you don't need as much vitamin C. But I've been doing this since December 2017. And the vitamins I was deficient in when I had an autoimmune disorder have recovered. Since when? What year? December 2017. It's been a while.

Yeah, I hear you urinate a lot of the vitamin C out, and maybe that's because the glucose is preventing it from being absorbed. I have no idea, but they do compete. Yeah, so possibly, if that's what happens. So let's start from the beginning, I guess. You were sick? I was sick. I'll give you the super tight version of it. I was diagnosed with juvenile

rheumatoid arthritis in 37 joints when I was seven. I was put on two immune suppressants and an anti-inflammatory medication. The immune suppressants I injected, it's a very serious immune suppressants. When I was in grade six, I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder or possibly bipolar type two, depending on the physician. And I was put on SSRIs. Grade eight, I started to get chronically fatigued. So I was medicated with Adderall when I was 21 for idiopathic hypersomnia. So I used Adderall just to stay awake. When I was 17, I had my hip and ankle replaced from the arthritis that wasn't kept in check properly with the immune suppressants. Yeah, that's about it. I was also diagnosed with Lyme disease eventually, and I think that's all of them.

How did you come to the carnivore diet? Oh, I started getting this rash called dermatitis herpetiformis, which is an itchy, blistering rash, and it's the skin manifestation of celiac disease, which is the only autoimmune disorder associated with gluten so i figured okay maybe gluten maybe i have celiac disease i got my genes tested i have the gene for celiac disease i was like i'll cut out gluten just to see maybe that's causing my arthritis and that kind of led me on i must have read like 1500 1200 articles on

autoimmune disorders gluten link link, possible dairy link. And then I went back to school for biomedical science to try and research my disorder because at that point I was so sick. I thought it was going to kill me. My skin had stopped healing from the rash. I'd had two joints replaced. My wrist felt like it was going to need a replacement. I couldn't wake up. So I was like, okay, well, this is what I'm doing with my life because I don't have a life. So I started researching and then I just decided to look into diet to see if it had any, if it made any impact. And at that time I didn't think it would change anything, but I figured I'd rule it out. And first I went to paleo. So like no grains, no soy, no dairy, no sugar, only water, no processed foods. And then when I stopped taking SSRIs,

so that worked, that actually worked. My arthritis went away, my fatigue went away, I got off of Adderall and my depression lifted. And then when I went off of SSRIs, I did that way too rapidly because I didn't know they cause withdrawal. And that's when I ended up on the meat diet because I got sensitive to light and to sound and to heat and to touch and to any amount of carb. I was reacting to everything. So that's when I went down to beef and lamb and salt and water, which was like out of desperation because the antidepressant withdrawal was so awful.

When you first went on carnivore, what did you cut out? At that point, I actually just went from chicken and beef and fish and lettuce and green leafy vegetables, olive oil and apple cider vinegar. So I literally just dropped salad at that point because I didn't know you could survive on only meat. So I was like, well, I need some greens. I react the least amount to the salad. So I kept the salad for a long time. And then eventually I was like, I can't live like this anymore because I was having some autoimmune symptoms. I was not on any medication at that point. I was trying to get it under control. And I was like, I'll just do just beef because I know I don't react to beef just for a very short period of time so that I can reintroduce things and monitor my symptoms. And I was keeping track

of it on like Excel spreadsheets, my symptoms and everything. And my symptoms went away when I went to all beef. And then when I tried to reintroduce, they came back. So I haven't been able to reintroduce things. I can have tea now, but that's three years into the diet and I introduced tea. I didn't drink for a long time because I was worried alcohol was going to be a problem, obviously. Did you go to a bunch of doctors? they? No, at that point, honestly, I'd been doing paleo. When I went to the carnivore diet, I'd been dieting for two years, being more

and more restrictive. And a year into dieting, after I went off of my SSRIs, I'd been talking to immunologists and just nobody, like my rheumatologist didn't believe me. Like nobody believed me. I barely believed myself. So no, at that point I was like, the medical community does not know how to handle this. Do you know what breatharians are? I do. Yeah.

So do you know, do you guys know? Yeah. Do you guys know? Let's go. These are people who insist they can subsist off of light and air only. Good for them. And there was one woman, this is a brutal video, where she claimed that she was a breatharian. She only just absorbed sunlight and breathed to survive.

So they were like, okay, we're going to film you for I think it was like five days to see you survive without eating food so you can prove that you're not eating or drinking. And she agreed to do it. And she was so dead set on proving this by like day three when her like heart levels were through the roof. She was mountain. She was she was like getting sick. She was dehydrated. They were like, we have to stop now. Like your your health is at serious risk. You're getting worse. And so then she said something like, oh, it's the air like the air here is bad. It's polluted. We have to go somewhere else. And it didn't change anything. So it's fascinating because you hear stories like that. That's why people probably don't believe you.

Yeah, well, no shit. I wouldn't have believed me either. I didn't even think. No, seriously. Like BuzzFeed will come out with an article and be like, look at this person. And I'll be like, yeah, I get it. I get it. I was like when I was 22 and people were like, fix your diet.

That'll fix your autoimmune disorder. You know, eat healthier. I was just like, was 22 and people were like fix your diet that'll fix your autoimmune disorder you know eat healthier. I was just like fuck you. You don't know what I'm going through. You don't know how serious this is. Like diet cannot have an impact like that because my joints disappeared right. Like it's not diet. I didn't think being gluten-free was a thing. I thought that was a fad. I was scoffing at organic stores. I went completely in the other direction. Like I had no I was shocked. I probably walked around with my mouth open for the first year after I found out the diet impacted my health because I really didn't think what I ate mattered at all.

So I get it. Do you see gummy bears and stuff when you were a kid? Sour Patch Candy? Yes. Holy shit. Sour Keys? I've never had those. Sour Patch Kids.

You've never had a Sour Key? Have you had Sour Patch Candy? Yeah, yeah. They're like worse, more stale, larger versions of Sour Patch Candy. Dude, Sour Patch Kids. Oh, my God. So much candy. When I first went to the paleo diet, that was my first food that I reintroduced.

Because I was like, there's no soy, there's no dairy, no one's allergic to sugar. Right? It was like, there's no soy. There's no dairy. No one's allergic to sugar. Right? It was like for a physical reaction. I was like, sugar's not good, but no one's allergic to it. Like, I want my Sour Patch candy. It did not go well. The vitamin C thing is what gets me. Like, I guess I could understand, you know, they have, like, there's the keto diet, right?

But keto isn't no carb. It's just low carb. You get some carbs. You have way more variety than what I'm doing. Oh, absolutely. the keto diet, right? But keto isn't no carb. It's just low carb. You get some carbs. You have way more variety than what I'm doing. Oh, absolutely. But then there's, what is it called? Gluconeogenesis? Yeah. Where the protein is converted into sugars for your brain and stuff like that.

Yeah. So you still have a stable blood sugar. Like my blood sugar is usually at, I don't know what it's in. I don't know what it's in. It's usually at around 80 though, which is pretty good. It's not like 50 is pretty low. 80 is pretty good. 130, that's high. And then people go way up from there. But mine's at 80 stably. So, yeah, gluconeogenesis from protein.

Yeah, but the vitamin C thing is what gets me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't think people really know. Part of the reason I'm talking about it is because I would like the medical community to take it seriously enough to do some case studies to look into it because I've seen it help a lot of people. And it sounds unbelievable. The keto diet, I think it's prescribed by doctors for people with epilepsy. Since the 20s, yeah. It kind of lost favor because anti-epileptics came out and people stopped using the diet because it was hard to adhere to.

But, yeah, they've been using the keto diet for a long time. And technically this is a keto diet. Technically, if you wanted to refer to it, it's like a plant-free keto diet. But keto is way more fat than that. I was eating a lot of fat initially because I thought ketosis was part of the reason it was helping. So it was like add on the fat. And at that point I was still having SSRI withdrawal. So I had a lot of neurological symptoms and the fat kind of i felt like i needed it uh for about two years i was maybe 80 of my calories were from fat so i was you know i was yeah i was um in like high level ketogenesis but i don't do that anymore we we've got a ton of food here we've got snacks over there with milk duds and skittles or whatever no actually i think we do have skittles and sodas and you're like we have these these meals sometimes

when guests come they'll like well, we have these easy prep meals. But you actually had a little rack of lamb or something. Oh, yeah. I full on. Yeah, you guys drove me. You guys drove me to the grocery store. Yeah. And I bought a rack of lamb and then I cooked it.

Yeah, that's legit. In the oven. Yeah, it tasted really good too. I then I cooked it. Yeah, it looks legit. In the oven. Yeah, it tasted really good too. I ate part of it. Yeah. Did you do like lifestyle changes in addition to diet? Not initially. So at first it was just diet because I'm not like, I'm not one of those,

I mean I'm getting more into it now, but I was never one of those lifestyle like biohacker people. I was really into nootropics. First I was really into drugs and I was like, how do I drug myself better? I had this Tylenol 3 at night, Gravel at night, Adderall to keep me awake. I was on seven different drugs. I actually drugged myself enough that

I could think clearly enough that I figured it out and got off of all the drugs. It actually worked out. I started there. Then I went into nootropics. Then I went into diet. Then I started when I got a little bit healthier, I was like, oh, okay, managing my sleep actually does help me. Infrared saunas were a game changer. Really?

We have one downstairs. For my mood. No, we don't have an infrared. That's not infrared. Infrared, because they don't heat up too much. You can stay in there for a long time and just sweat. That helped me so much when I was trying to reintroduce food and having autoimmune reactions. Infrared sauna is absolutely, absolutely game changer.

And now I do like Wim Hof breathing, ice baths. Like I've gone full swing. I've got my aura ring. But initially... What's it made of? This? Yeah. I don't know, but it has three little sensors

to monitor your heart rate. Oh, yeah. I want to get one of those. I should get a bunch of those. They're actually kind of cool. Yeah. They make you really neurotic about how you sleep.

I got the watch, which is not the same, but it like tracks steps. It tracks calories burned, workout time, and movement per hour. What kind of watch is that? It's the Galaxy something or other.

You have an Android Galaxy? Samsung. Yeah, Samsung. Yeah. Oh. So I get every day. It gives me like a little man, like every hour, if I'm sitting down working on the computer. It tells you to stand, like the Apple, the Apple Watch does that, right?

A little man will appear and he'll like start doing like deep knee bends or it'll be like time to get moving. Or just like, fuck you. I don't do deep knee bends, but I'll get up and I'll go walk around. I'll be like, I shouldn't just be sitting here nonstop staring at a screen. So I'll go outside, I'll go check on the chickens, five like a five minute break and then go back and then it's like good job and at the end of the day that's nice because I because I skate every day so I'm getting exercise uh I get I get the eight hours of sleep well I don't think I don't think I sleep

for eight hours but I sleep enough and I move enough that it gives me little little hearts and then it shows you your your days and you get like a little it's a foot with like a badge it's like you did it and if you don't do it don't do little – it's a foot with like a badge. It's like you did it. And if you don't do it – What if you don't do it? Yeah. Then you don't get your little badge. Okay. So it's not that harsh.

No. Depending on how badly you take criticism. It's like a guy. Just kidding. It should though. I think we should actually make an app where it's like you're a loser. Like a little guy pops up and he's like – What are you doing with your life?

My dad could pop up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you grow up with it? Pick up the heaviest thing you can find and carry it. Yeah. Yeah.

Did he just like constantly like organize you into this lifestyle your entire life not not really i think one thing he did that was super beneficial was he said as soon as i got diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis when i was in grade two i remember he sat me down and he said you can never use your illness as an excuse good for him wow yeah and it like, which is a serious thing to tell a kid who has arthritis and 37 joints, but it was basically like this is going to suck no matter what, but if you use it as an excuse, it's going to suck more. Yeah.

And so I think that was really beneficial to me, and I probably veered in the direction of never using it as an excuse when I probably should have spent a couple days in bed, but I don't have an autoimmune disorder anymore. Let's talk about that because I think one of the biggest problems we have right now as a society is everyone using all of that as an excuse. It's everything. Yeah, I know.

It's exhausting. Right. I'm a victim for this reason, that reason, or otherwise. They're told that, though. And part of the problem I have with the medical community is when you go in and you get diagnosed, when I got diagnosed, my mom, because she's been, she's like the hippie of the family. And she was like, can we just change diet? And they were just like, ha ha ha.

They literally just laughed, which is fair because dietary changes are complicated for autoimmune disorders. But I don't know where I was going with that. What were we just talking about? How people are using their bad lifestyles as excuses for why they can't succeed or... Yeah. Okay. Part of the problem with medical, yeah, community is when you go in there, you're diagnosed, they tell you, your only hope is us. Your only hope are these medications and there's nothing you can do about it and it's not your fault. And so it takes all the responsibility

away from yourself for fixing it because you're like, I can't. The authority figures that know what they're doing, they went to school, told me that I can't. And I think if I had just, if they'd just been like, can't help, good luck, then I would have been like, oh shit, I have to figure this out myself. And I would have gone through all these paths, like diet, exercise, I just would have looked. But I think, yeah, the schooling system is doing the same thing to people. People are told, you know, you have this mental illness, it's on you, don't worry, it's not your fault. Like, here's a medication or you're an outsider. So you deserve some sort of, I don't know, help for being an outsider. Just, yeah, society right now is pathetic.

Did you see this story? We have it from NBC. Team USA paintball player kicked off of team after backlash over controversial TikTok. Professional paintball player players said jessica miolo's message which some perceived as anti-vaccination and fat phobic doesn't represent the larger paintball community so what had happened was this this woman was like watching a news report i guess and there was like an obese teenager in the hospital with covid and then she said your son doesn't need a covid shot he needs a treadmill and so then like some woman

was like my dad invented toaster strudel and i don't think he would she literally said that wouldn't appreciate what you're saying some parts of 2021 they're just great great paintball first of all paintball olympics that's surprising i didn't know that good start it's not olympic it's just called it's a it's a team called team usa okay Okay. Okay. I thought – okay. You thought that too. It's like paintballs in the Olympics now and they get kicked off the team for TikTok. Jesus. I will say one of the problems that we have is first whether or not someone should or shouldn't get some kind of medical treatment is between them and their doctors.

And you should seek the advice from your doctor as I always say. But when it comes to obesity, it is a worsening factor. And the CDC website even says it, that of the people who were hospitalized, 30.2%, I believe, were obese. So this whole culture of don't fat shame people, but I can say this. Don't be mean. Yeah, you don't have to be mean. Also, yeah, I completely agree. And when I went to university, my eating, like I was surviving off of cinnamon toast crunch and beer and ginger ale and pizza. Sounds pretty good.

Oh, yeah. I was like, freedom. I don't have to eat my mom's like bread full of seeds, which was also make, but anyway. And I gained weight. I gained about 30 pounds in the first year and a half. And I didn't really know what to do about it because I was going to the gym and I was like, I thought that it was only a gym thing. Like I wasn't exercising enough. So I kind of understand where people are coming from when they're like, I have extra weight. Like, what the fuck do I do? And so being like, maybe get on a treadmill,

it's super condescending to people who probably aren't super happy that they have weight to lose. And I think that goes back to what you're eating. And I think that's just people need to be educated that certain foods are not like you eat pizza, you want to eat more pizza. There was this show where they were trying to help people lose weight and there was a reality show.

And so they set up cameras all over this lady's house. the end of the day they asked her like how many she was saying things like it's not my fault i have a bad metabolism i eat the same as everybody else but i just keep gaining weight so they set up cameras and filmed her throughout the day at the end of the day they said how many calories do you think you ate and she said i had you know for breakfast i had this for for and, uh, and then for lunch and dinner, I had these things and it was for dinner. It was a small salad. So I would say, you know, probably 1500 calories.

And they were like, you had 3,700 and whatever, because throughout the day she was snacking. She was always eating, never stopping. And she was like, oh, I just had one, one or two, you know, pieces of candy. And they were like, yeah, but you do that every 15 minutes. And she thinks it doesn't matter but it all piled up so people need to recognize they got to eat better man i'm not gonna i'm not gonna tell them to eat nothing but lamb i don't know it's worked for you but certainly like i think paleo is fantastic oh paleo is great and that's super implementable for most

people like it's still hard i went went from standard American diet, eating everything, eating out most of the time. Japanese food, Indian food, out. Yes. Oh, yes. Indian food, man. Oh, yeah. That's been hard on me. Butter chicken.

Chicken korma. Yeah. Do you put any spices on the meat? Cumin or anything? No, I can't do it. Or the autoimmune symptoms come back. Oh, man. Oh, yes.

I hear turmeric's really good for you. Yeah, I know. I did too. I react to. Indian food is just the best. Yeah, it's just the best. If I could incorporate anything, it'd Oh, yes. I hear turmeric's really good for you. Yeah, I know. I did too. I react to. Indian food is just the best. Yeah, it's just the best. If I could incorporate anything, it'd be Indian food. I mean, you may have cured your ailments, but is it really living?

Yes. Yes, it is. I've been asked that, yeah. Like, hands down, nothing tastes as good as being healthy feels. So, for sure. You know, one of the things that bothers me about the medical industry is the way they phrase illness sometimes, how how they say you have this thing and it's like okay

I don't have cancer. They didn't give me cancer and now I have it finally. I control it. Like your body is producing cells too quickly. There's a reason for it. It's not a thing that you get and that you need to eradicate. Well I think I understand what you're trying to say

like you have a uh well i don't know i'm confused yeah they'll say you have a cold now let's destroy it and they'll go and they'll try you know i don't have something my body is acting a certain way and there's a reason for it let's locate the reason but you literally have like the cold virus you might have a virus in your body but the reason why you're sick is not because that's there it's because well it's because it's overtaking your immune system for some reason. Well, so it starts attacking your cells, and then your body has an immune response, and the symptoms are your body responding. But you might also have the virus in your body and not be sick because your body's maintained it.

It's killed it. Actually, we have tons of viruses in our systems. Yeah. Yeah, tons. Yeah. What? That was just fun to witness. That was an interesting conversation.

Ian's semantic arguments about it. It's so important that we speak the right words. constantly yeah what that was just fun to witness that's an interesting conversation semantic arguments so important that we speak the right words see i would want to know then in what you would call it because it's true that you have a bunch of viruses in your body but at a certain point yes you're correct a cold has overwhelmed your immune system so how would you term it as far as i'm concerned saying you have a cold it's just like a super shorthand way of saying yeah you got this virus and it's kind of overwhelmed you yeah Are we going to map out, like, here's exactly what's happening to your immune system. Now, the leukocytes and then the lymph nodes are...

Yeah, if you could, like, why does the rhinovirus reproduce so rapidly? Sugar. You know, a lot of things feed the virus. Sure. Sugar's bad. But I don't think a doctor is going to pull out the whole chart and be like, now, when the virus enters the cell and you get the RNA action, now what happens to your body?

And I actually watched a video. I think it was Kurtzgesagat where they explain the immune system. It is insanely complicated. So cool. The lymphatic system. It is not just white blood cells. No. It is like crazy.

There's the blood and then there's the lymph. Your body is like 50-50 fluids. You have this lymph in your body, your mucus, your snot. It coats your feces. And it is the sewage system for your body. And if it gets clogged up or gets too acidic, your body can't get rid of the waste, and then it causes all sorts of chaos. That's why people got to cut back on sugar. There you go.

And alcohol, well, alcohol is, sugar turns into alcohol. Alcohol is bad. Alcohol inhibits protein synthesis. I'm no fan. That's why I don't drink. You got to, basically, if you can treat the lymphatic system, I feel like, because modern Alcohol is bad. Alcohol inhibits protein synthesis. I'm no fan. That's why I don't drink. Basically, if you can treat the lymphatic system, I feel like – because modern medicine is obsessed with treating the blood. But if you can look at the lymphatic system and the pH of the lymphatic system.

They have those massages. I forgot what it's called. Lymphatic massages. Lymph draining? Yeah. Drainage massages, yeah. Something like that. Shaunas.

Shaunas really help with just kind of getting toxins out. I think that's part of the reason they help when i had autoimmune reactions literally sweating it out yeah but exercise would work in that regard too yeah but you really don't sweat the same way when you get into sauna really yeah the infrared saunas that don't heat you up too much they like heat you up from the inside out kind of so they don't if you up too much. They like heat you up from the inside out kind of. So they don't, if you look at the thermometer, it's not like 100 degrees or 110 or whatever. It's like 80, but you're just pouring sweat. You're baking in the radiation.

That's, you know, you're, you're. Yeah. I, I, I, we have a sauna and I've used it and I'm like, this is boring.

It's like, it's been a half an hour. I'm barely sweating. I go outside for 10 minutes and I skate and I'm just like, my whole clothes, like I jumped in a pool. Well, then it's not like something off with the sauna no other other people go in and

they'll sweat it's just like just sitting there i've just a lot of the heat's from like at the top it goes up to the top and hangs out there you got to get up top and like that's where yeah put your legs up on the ceiling i'm not saying it wasn't hot i'm just saying i sit there for a long time and it's like takes too long to actually get to the point where I'm sweaty. You got to meditate. Whereas I can go on the trampoline for a good 50 minutes, do some flips and stuff. And then I'm just getting all sweaty. It's funny that it's actually hard to sit still, isn't it, in society?

Oh, yeah. I can't sit still, man. Too many times. If the camera was sitting on me the whole time, you'd see me fidgeting nonstop. The easiest thing to do is nothing. Am I sure? I can't do it. I used to have that, but then my diet fixed it.

Everyone's going to hate me for saying that. But I had like, you know, when you put your foot down, you're just like up and down and up and down and up and down. Yeah, I had that. And like when I slept at night, I used to twitch around and like act out my dreams, punch things. It got bad. Yeah. And that all calmed down. Everything calmed down.

How do we get people to like take responsibility for themselves in every capacity? Psychedelic drugs. That would helpmed down. Everything calmed down. How do we get people to take responsibility for themselves in every capacity? Psychedelic drugs. That would help a lot. I'm actually with him. Yeah. Heroic dose of mushrooms. Yes. Welcome to reality for a second.

Where did the trash go? They're legalizing them all over the place. Yeah. DC, I think. Like Colorado. Decriminalized. Decriminalized. Right, right, right.

Yeah. Not Washington State. But I think Colorado did, didn't they? Yeah. Denver. Denver. City of Denver. Oh, okay. And not there. Didn't like that thing didn't like oregon yeah i think man they're so good it's this is one it's insane to me that these things were ever illegal in the first place i know

somebody had a bad trip yeah they're like that is a bad idea most people should not go there some president yeah yeah maybe it was people were waking up. Hard to control the population when you got a bunch of people sitting there, staring at their hands going like, whoa, what's going on? Yeah, the berserk. You ever hear berserkers? Yeah. Like apparently they would wear bear skin. They were berserk

and they would take a bunch of mushrooms and go into battle. I have heard of this. What is this? Where are they from? Like the Scandinavia. Okay. They were types of Vikings. They would be tripping balls. They couldn't die. They would be wearing no clothing. Barely any clothing.

Apparently it helped them let go of fear. There's a lot of really awful drugs. I don't know if it was just mushrooms. I'm pretty sure that was something else. I thought it was some sort of psychedelic. Maybe. It just doesn't seem like that's what you want to do when you're on shrooms.

Let's go to war? That sounds horrifying. When would you introduce them to a human? What age? I took them the first time just like a fairly two grams or something when I was 18. Adult. Mostly developed., adult mostly developed. Yeah. I don't know. It's hard to say what, like, I think psychedelic experiences can be insanely

beneficial, especially shrooms. I really like, uh, but I don't know if you'd want to screw around with the brain too much. Like if I think you pretty much want to keep a brain as healthy as possible and I'm not saying shrooms are unhealthy, but I't know they do kind of like you know they've got to be poisonous a little bit on some level um so i don't know later i think my most like the best experiences i've had are the older i've gotten um i don't know what about you what do you think yeah yeah it is right it was a you were 26 they would uh some some scholars proposed that the berserkers and the berserker gangs, this is what's called berserker gang would consume hallucinogenic mushrooms or massive amounts of alcohol

wow I see that hallucinogenic mushrooms going to war there's like legend says when they were in berserk mode they were immune to steel and fire but they could have just been like really drunk yeah like I don't feel pain. I don't feel anything.

Yeah. It's totally wasted. Police officers find that really angry. Yeah. I've heard so many things about like Jesus was tripping on ergot with his friends and had all these amazing epiphanies. They saw him walking on water. Ergot though?

Yeah. Doesn't ergot just like eventually make your limbs fall off? Yeah. It's pretty harsh. Back in the day before LSD was synthesized, they synthesized it from ergotamine, but they would just eat the fungus that grew on the rye. But didn't ergot give you bad trips? Yeah, it had a bad physical side effect.

I was reading about- Like limb loss. Yeah. Death. Headaches. The Salem witch trials, they think it was like ergot on the wheat. Yes. And they would eat it, and they would seeing like shadow figures and be like, hang

that woman. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. They didn't know they were eating it. Yeah. They were eating contaminated food and then tripping and then like, she turned into a cat. I saw her.

I swear. And it's like, no, I didn't. But you're a woman. So you have no say in the man's going to, you know, they're going to hang you now. Yikes. Great story. But hey, man, if it worked for Jesus. They burned them.

Like if it worked for Jesus, maybe it'll work for everybody else. Yeah, but you're making an assumption. I am making an assumption. But it makes a lot of sense. And ergot specifically. Because I've read a lot about, oh, Jesus and mushrooms. Oh, really? I don't think anyone knows.

Yeah. You know, there's a lot of really, really old paintings that have those mushrooms that are technically more like Amanita muscaria mushrooms, which doesn't really make sense because that doesn't... Yeah, those are... It's not the same as psilocybin at all. I haven't taken them yet. I tried Amanita this summer in Russia.

You can just buy it on Ozone, which is the Russian Amazon. Ozone. Love it. Amanita muscaria. And it's the red mushroom with the white dots, the one that Super Mario Brothers basically that makes them big. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

It gives you fortitude, right? No. Mario did not eat a red mushroom. Oh, actually, later on it did become red. That's right. I think it was modeled after the muscaria. It gives you like physical... In Mario 3, they changed it.

Okay. Oh, no. Is it Mario 2? Yeah, I think in Mario 2 is when they made the mushroom. Because originally it was orange. Yeah, orange and black or orange and brown. Yeah. But did it give you like fortitude enhancement?

I've heard that people take it and go hiking and stuff. Plus four fortitude. Yeah, it doesn't... They've got to take a really small dose because it works on GABA. So you can use it for relaxation, anxiety, and sleep. So if you take like I took five grams, it's not the same as psilocybin. So the dosing is different. But like five to seven grams, I was just like clonked out completely, super relaxed.

And a few more, like two grams was just relaxation. But I wouldn't go hiking or something on it because it works on GABA. So it was just relaxing. But it was nothing like psilocybin. I think if you take higher doses, you can get some visual hallucinations if you stay awake. But it was pretty sedating. What do you mean it works on GABA? What's that?

Same thing alcohol works on. Neurotransmitter. Oh, okay. Yeah. So psilocybin, well, it doesn't work. It's not like a GABA drug. Benzodiazepines work on GABA. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, so psilocybin, well, it doesn't work. It's not like a GABA drug. Benzodiazepines work on GABA. Alcohol works on GABA. Ammonia muscaria works on GABA. Do they have similar feeling effects? Yeah. It kind of felt like alcohol was a little bit more

like had more of an anti-anxiety feeling. Like sometimes if I drink, I'll get like more hyped up. And with this, it was like a really heavy blanket almost. I heard that the, from the Bible, they have the tree of knowledge and the tree of, and that the tree of knowledge was the psilocybin mushroom and then the tree of life was the Amanita muscaria. There's a lot of theories about what those things mean though. I've read a lot of kooky conspiracy stuff about like aliens and what the tree of life and knowledge really meant. You know, the spiraling serpents represents DNA and stuff like that.

I think a lot of people just try and look for hidden meanings in what may just be a very simple thing. It's like the Tree of Knowledge is a book. You know what I mean? Womp womp. Yeah. Maybe. I was thinking last night how ancient, like the Egyptians,

do you think that they were like going into trances, like psychedelic trances, and really seeing like shapes and patterns? Bro, you know why DMT is so fascinating and why there's a meme about Joe Rogan asking people trances, like psychedelic trances, and really seeing like shapes and patterns. Bro. You know why DMT is so fascinating? And why there's a meme about Joe Rogan asking people if they've ever tried DMT? And why now we have Ian who asks people if they've tried DMT? Have you smoked DMT? I haven't.

I really, really want to. Yeah, let's go. Because you have these stories about people having shared experiences without communicating and that's that to me is like potential evidence of something beyond their your mind oh yeah right so there was one story i was watching i think it was on vice and they were saying there was a guy uh who had done dmt and he there was a woman that he had met when and and whenever he would trip he would see the same same in the same place, he would see the same – Purple Lady. Okay.

Yeah, the Purple Lady. I have comments on this. And then this other guy who took DMT said he met a Purple Lady who was friends with you. Shane Moss. Is that who did it? Yeah, I had him on my podcast. We talked about this. Exactly.

Shane Moss. He did DMT a whole bunch of times, went to outer space, met this Purple Lady, and then he got his friend to do DMT. And while he was high, he said, hey, the people here know you oh yeah there's this purple lady she says she knows you and shane was like sober and was like what the fuck and then did dmt like 300 more times seriously seriously 300 times after that um but i got in touch with shane because i did a five and a half grams of mushrooms went to outer space and i saw a purple goddess lady yeah and i started talking about on instagram this person i was like i've seen a goddess full-on 100 sure there's goddess out there i'm a pretty level-headed person even though i'm an all-meat diet yeah i was like purple and i saw

on two different drugs psilocybin high-dose psilocybin and acodmt which is not dmt it's pretty much it's like a chemical version of psilocybin uh so i saw two different drugs psilocybin high dose psilocybin and acodmt which is not dmt it's pretty much it's like a chemical version of psilocybin uh so i saw two different drugs exactly same hallucination i was like what the fuck is that so i started talking about it on instagram and someone got in touch and was like shane moss he saw the purple lady and i went to his profile and someone had drawn her and it was exactly the same thing i'd seen yeah twice and i was i was just like this is insane yeah and so he had the lots of people see this purple lady and they have the same experience it's this purple lady they're filled with a sense of calm which is exactly what happened to me i was in like a scary situation i was worried about

my dad he was really sick and she just like filled me with a sense of calm and like things are going to be okay that's the same report from like thousands and thousands of people on dmt psilocybin aco dmt with this purple lady you know it'd be funny it from like thousands and thousands of people on DMT, psilocybin, ACO, DMT with this purple lady. You know what would be funny? It's like your perception of her is that she was a goddess. But it turns out it's just like the bus driver of the tripping world. So everybody who's going there just like sees the bus driver and she's like, come on in. It was kind of at the beginning of the trip too.

I wonder if it's purple because of ultraviolet light. But it's like a low frequency light that's coming here's one of the things i was thinking so we had uh you know michael malice we had alex jones they were talking about a lot of the stuff like the the machine elves and things like this and the interesting thing is there are these stories where like people will all trip and then explain the same independently they'll be separated and then what happened and they'll all say like saw similar things i'm wondering like could it be if we all have similar source code you know i'm using a metaphor for like what makes our brains work that when you're taking these things what you're really just seeing is your own code and

of course we have similar code because we're all people so when people are like i saw this it's like right when you look at the source code of programs you'll see very similar lines and sometimes many programs have the exact same line of code that does a certain function. So everyone's seeing that. And then it's like, wow, we all saw the same thing. That must mean there's something out there. And maybe it's not. Maybe we're just all humans and we all share that. You know what I mean? I've thought that too, because there are a lot of like, if you do high dose psychedelics, you see a lot of like snake-like things. And there are a lot of like DNA structures. You see those pieces of art that they literally look like DNA. So it's like, maybe we're not

going to outer space. Maybe we're going inner space and seeing things. But when you're in that trip and you see those things, like I saw that woman and it was, there were like six months apart on two different drugs. And I was like, no, that was real. And I mean mean that's the kind of experience you have and you can try and boil it down to science but it seriously felt like there's a purple lady out there you know there there's like the great question you know why what is all that stuff and some people a lot of people have faith they they say i've studied and i believe these things to be true and i i know what i can expect and i think it's it's it's to know. I mean, it's impossible to know. That's why it's called faith.

But when I hear stories about DMT and stuff, that to me is like, we got to pull that thread. Yeah. We got to do. What's that experiment we were talking about a while ago? Extended state DMT? Yeah. You were talking about that, Ian? They're taking people, and I think it's in England, and they're putting them in laboratories

and then keeping them on like a DMT drip for I don't know how long but days I think days at a time. How is that that's passed an ethics board? I don't know. As far as I know yeah. I don't know much about it. Okay if you take people aren't very aware of this because they're like oh you take ayahuasca and that's like a really intense

drug but ayahuasca doesn't last very long and when you go to those retreats you take it multiple times because it wears off. Taking high dose mushrooms like if you take like six if you're me and you take like five and a half grams or if you're somebody bigger you take more that'll give you a similar hallucinogenic experience as something like dmt like i couldn't see i went to outer space but it lasts for like six hours oh yeah it was wild i remember when i first heard of dmt is when i was like 18 or whatever and someone they were telling me the story about a guy who claimed that after he took it he like lived a full life yeah yeah because of the time dilation yeah he was like it was 40

40 years i had kids i had a wife and then like they came to all disoriented and confused like where am i like oh whoa yeah like roy. I've heard about you. Like Roy, I reckon. Yeah, that game, yeah. You think he actually experienced someone else's life, or was it like just an imagination? But is that real? That's probably real. What I was told at the time, and this is probably like, this is one of the first things I heard about it.

They said, when you die, your brain, your glands or whatever, releases a high dose of DMT. And so then my other friend was just like what if when you die you get sent into an inner universe through the dmt release into your brain and then you live a full other life that's what this is but check it out check it out whoa check it out hold on hold on so here you are in this life right you're 70 years old and you die in your sleep your your brain releases DMT, which then, like Inception, sends you to another universe where time on your bed is like slowed down and now you live

70 years. But in that life, you die again, DMT is released in your brain and you go to another deeper level like Inception. Yes. And one day, it's all going to snap back and then you're going to go back to your original life and that's the... You're just going to wake up and scream? No, you die in your sleep.

Okay, you die before you wake up. Well, yeah, no, like you die and then the DMT gets released and then it sends you to a new life. Well, that's these extended state DMT experiments are kind of looking for. They're trying to mimic that state. They're trying to keep people there with I think it's like low dose DMT too. I don't think they're giving them the mega dose. I don't know. And then they want to see like what's it like when you're in there is it like is it like that are you experiencing other lifetimes is it jesus extended like when

i did the high dose shrooms it felt like years in there i had so many different visions yeah i woke yeah it was crazy so i can't imagine i can't believe that they're allowed to do that because i know even this guy shane he was like yeah i did it 300 times i ended up in a psych ward oh yeah yeah he talks about it yeah he ended up in a psych ward and he said that he kept going to visit these aliens and this purple woman and the purple woman was a girlfriend so got to that and eventually the aliens were saying i want to come back to shane's world like you keep coming here i want to come back and he was like oh fuck i can't bring you back you guys are like you're aliens I can't bring you back. You guys are like, you're aliens. I can't bring you back. I'm like, no one's believing me anyway.

Because they were like, don't talk about us down there. And it was so real, and he did it so many times, even though it was very short-lasted, that he ended up getting paranoid about it and ended up in a psych ward. Why not just be like, come on back, I guess, whatever. He didn't. He was just like, that's not going to be good for Earth. Can't do it, yeah. Can't bring you guys

here. You're aliens. Shane. Shane. It might be good for Earth. Can't do it, yeah. Can't bring you guys here. You're aliens. Shane. Shane. It might be good for Earth. Bring them back, Shane. Bring them back. They're coming anyway, aren't they?