Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #349 - Mike Lindell LOSES Motion To Dismiss Dominion Lawsuit w/Will Chamberlain

Episode Date: August 12, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join lawyer and co-publisher of Human Events Will Chamberlain and FreedomToons founder Seamus Coughlin to examine the judge who actually mocked Mike Lindell, Sidney Powell, and Rudy Giuliani as he denied their request to dismiss Dominion voting's case, nearly one third of Republicans who believe Trump may still be the president, the media who is covering for Joe Biden's collapsing economy, the Great Resignation as millions plan to quit their jobs, and new data showing that boosters are coming imminently for Covid vaccinations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it is I, Seamus Coghlan of Shimcast IRL. We have a very special show for you today with a very special guest. We're going to be talking about Rand Paul being kicked off of YouTube. We're going to be talking about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines decreasing. We're also going to be talking about a judge who ruled against Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell in their effort to dismiss the defamation lawsuit brought about by Dominion. So with me, we have Timothy Kast, my good friend.

Thanks for having me, Seamus. Of course. I'm happy to. I'm happy to. I warned him. I said, if I get a suit, it's going to become my podcast, and YouTube's going to rename it. This has been a dream come true. I am incredibly honored that you'd have me on SeamusKast.RL.

I'm a huge fan, by the way. Thank you. And I just think that this will be my big break. People will start to recognize my hard work.

I hope so. Maybe I could launch something like Shimcast. If you wanted to start your own YouTube channel someday, I wouldn't even spend that much time

discouraging you. Just a little bit of time. A little bit, just to see what you're made of. If you don't fight back against it, then it probably isn't for you.

But, yeah, I think you've got a bright future. Thank you, Seamus. You're welcome. You're welcome. We've got pushing the buttons. We have Lydia, who, by the way, now that it is my podcast, absolutely. I mean, being respectful to Lydia is gone. That's out the window.

That's actually really good to know. It's going to be as rude as possible. I appreciate knowing that up front, Seamus. Thank you. As well as Ian. It's been a whirlwind for me from Tim to Shem. Yeah, I know. Well, you're under the Shem cast regime now.

Things are changing. Well, it's hot. It's hotter than normal, actually. Why am I wearing a sweater? That's changing. You know what? Instead of Ian, we're going to have Will on. We're going to be bringing Will Chamberlain on.

Oh, Will Chamberlain. Me? Yes, you. Am I on the show today? Yes, you're on the show. You're going to be doing this. Oh, Will Chamberlain. Me? Yes, you. Am I on the show today? Yes, you're on the show. You're going to be doing this. Oh, good. Yeah. Happy to have you. Thank you for coming on to my podcast. I guess there is a reason I put the headphones on.

Alright, fine. Let's do this. What are we talking about? Glad to have you here. DMT and God. No, this is not. No, absolutely not, Ian. This is why you were fired. This is Shimcast IRL. We're going to be talking about a judge ruling against Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell. This is our first topic there.

Don't look at me. It's your show. You got this, David. Hold on. Give me a minute. You're doing great. Come on. You got this.

So, Will, in your legal opinion. Well, we didn't even get to the promos. What are you doing? What are you talking about? What promos? Before we get started. There were no promos. I'm Shimcast.

I said there's no promos today. All right. Before we get into the news, my friends. This is mutiny. We're taking the show back. Go to Timcast.com, become a member, and you'll get access to an ad-free experience and exclusive episodes of the Timcast IRL podcast available to members only. We'll have one of those up for you tonight.

Usually, we talk about things that YouTube doesn't allow us to. I love it when the media tries to smear us over that. They're like, he's moved his rule-breaking content off of YouTube. It's like, but YouTube told me to do that. They're like, don't put that stuff. Okay. Dude, just stop talking. Anyway, go to TimCast.com, be a member. We're going to be talking about

a lot of stuff. The big story we have right now, because obviously many people have been following Mike Lindell's Cyber Symposium. We have a development in the Dominion Mike Lindell saga, which I find to be quite interesting. We have a story from Business Insider. A federal judge denied motions from Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Lindell to dismiss Dominion's lawsuits against them. It's from just about an hour ago.

And as many of you may be knowing, Mike Lindell's cyber symposium is currently ongoing, where they have a bunch of speakers, a bunch of experts. Mike Lindell's offered $5 million to anyone who can prove that his data isn't the actual voter data. And they're going through screenshots. They've got hash data and stuff. I got to be honest. One of the most challenging things for a regular person is trying to understand what it is they're presenting, because it's a lot of it is you'll see IP addresses, you'll see networking details, you'll see hash codes, and you're going to be like, I don't know what those things mean. And that can be well, in my opinion, it can probably lead people to make false assumptions. So look, they're still doing their symposium. I'll let Mike Lindell do a symposium. I won't make judgments. I will wait and see. But I got to be honest, I am not confident at all.

And I'll tell you why. A federal judge denied motions from Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Lindell to dismiss. OK, well, hold on a minute. Back when Dominion announced they were suing Mike Lindell, he actually came out and said he was, quote, very happy to hear that Dominion had sued him. Quote, Now I can get to the evidence faster. It's going to be amazing.

He said he had that he plans to continue releasing more movies, more documentaries about alleged election fraud. My issue there is if he was really happy that he was being sued because that would give him the ability to enter discovery against Dominion. Why would he try to dismiss that lawsuit? So, look, I think I favor the audits. I favor bolstering confidence in our election systems. And the mainstream media says that everything Mike Lindell is doing is not doing that. But the problem is you already have people who don't have confidence in it. So I think in order to restore confidence, you need to give people the investigations.

You need to say, look, when you're subpoenaed, here's the data, and just go through the motions because this country is horribly, horribly divided. But I got to say, in this story, as you probably guys, you know from the intros that Seamus tried doing. The shit that I did do until you stole it from me. You're still watching Shincast. Will's a lawyer, and you brought up some statements from the judge. I don't know if you wanted to read them.

Yeah, let me pull up the tweets. And give me your thoughts on this. I did tweet them out. Yeah, I mean, actually, I think it – so the judge issued these statements. Do you have it? Yeah, no, I pulled it up. So this is portions of the motion to dismiss, the ruling on the motion to dismiss. It's like a 35-page ruling.

But this is making fun of one of the experts that Powell and Lindell were relying on in their lawsuit to explain why they were justified in bringing this, that they were being authentic, et cetera. They said that this expert has, quote, been ordered to pay more than $25,000 after finding that the expert violated consumer protection laws by misspending money she raised. And then the judge goes on to say, quote, that expert has also publicly claimed that George Soros, President George H.W. Bush's father, the Muslim Brotherhood, and leftists helped form the deep state in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, which would have been a remarkable feat for Soros, who was born in 1930. Look, it may seem like, oh, that's like,'s like whatever a cute joke federal judges don't tell jokes in their opinions and if they're telling jokes that you are the butt of that's like terrible you're you that's not good

um there's another instance where uh let's see if I can find the the next particular nasty quote but isn't it isn't it bad for a judge to be joking in this way and making, you know what I mean? It's weird, but it's also kind of the nature of the arguments that he would inevitably be saying some things that are kind of ridiculous. So basically, a defamation claim, you have to prove actual malice. That's one of the things you have to prove under New York Times

versus Sullivan, that someone either knowingly lied or showed a reckless disregard for the truth. I think we're actually all pretty familiar with that now because defamation comes up a lot in for the truth. I think we're actually all pretty familiar with that now because defamation comes up a lot in modern Internet culture. So in order, one of the ways that Dominion is alleging actual malice on the part of Powell and Lundell is they're saying no reasonable person could believe these things. So assuming they are reasonable,

they're clearly reckless in making these statements. Like their statements are so outlandish that you have to be reckless to me i i do take issue with that though i mean sometimes crazy things turn out to be true you know what i mean that's why my attitude on this is like look if somebody comes out and they're like i'm gonna spend millions of dollars on a cyber symposium and hire all these people and offer up five million dollars i'm like all right i mean yeah he loses five million dollars well then he put up $5 million and he lost it. You know, but like, here's the point from Dominion. I mean, obviously it shouldn't be criminal, right?

Like where, you know, this is a free country, but we still have defamation laws. Oh, no, right, right, right. For defamation, I understand that. I'm just saying in terms of like the general environment when it comes to, you know, the media's approach or the judge saying no reasonable person could believe these things. I think the judge should be reasonable person could believe these things, I think the judge should be like, present your evidence. Now, here's the problem.

Mike Lindell had an opportunity with this lawsuit to present evidence proving that his statements were in fact true. Therefore, it was not defamation. Instead, tried to get it dismissed. Well, I mean, I think he did also, one of his own arguments was also that what I said was true. And he now will get that opportunity. Like, we're going to discovery. his own arguments was also that what i said was true and he now will get that opportunity like we're going to discovery like he'll be deposed uh and there'll be immense amounts of discovery on

both sides right certainly lindell will be able to go to dominion and try and get information out of them that proves lindell's claims but dominion will be able to go lindell and demand his factual basis and every bit of his facts for saying otherwise. I've read a lot about the allegations, the anomalies, the states. Admittedly, I think there's some things that should be investigated. Absolutely. There's a video of a woman and she puts the ballots in multiple times. But the problem is that in and of itself isn't enough evidence to prove anything. But I do think it's like, OK, we'll do an audit.

I think that's fair. If you've got half the country and half the country pitted against each other to the point where there's violence in the streets, let's just calm down and sort this thing through. And if you're confident that everything was perfect and the most secure, as I think the DHS said, then let's give the people the opportunity to feel confident and secure in this. Agreed. And election integrity should be like Caesar's wife, right? Beyond reproach. I mean, in Israel, there are so many different measures.

Like, you are videotaped going into a voting booth. There's like, you put your fingerprint on it. I mean, there's so many different things that mean that you physically have to show up. Absentee ballots are disfavored, et cetera. Say the line, Ian. Graphene DMT. Wait, where are we going? Free the code.

Free the code. This is exactly what I'm thinking. Now, this is a little bit different than what we're talking about, the Lindell situation. But the fact that they're tallying votes in private with proprietary software code, I believe, is the scandal. I agree. And that actually lends itself back to the defamation suit, which is really interesting because Dominion was damaged by this substantially. I'm telling you right now, I don't care in regards to moving forward with our elections because obviously I care if there was impropriety. Personally, I think a lot of people are incorrect in their assumptions about what happened. And I think I keep hearing these things

like, oh, March 3rd, March 5th, March 11th, oh, April 4th. They keep saying people still believe that Trump is going to be reinstated. I'm like, guys, we had Bannon on the show. Bannon said he believes a lot of the stuff. I pushed back. I don't. I think that we saw the article from Time magazine. We saw voting in the park. We saw the Republicans in Pennsylvania violate the Constitution, at least according to a lower court judge, for universal mail-in voting. You've got California now, people are pointing out,

is it going to allow you to print ballots at home? I think people need to realize voter integrity is the big issue. Now, certainly, I'm all for investigations on us or whatever. But when it comes to Dominion, what I'm seeing looking to the future, I look forward to seeing whatever it is the experts in the symposium end up with, but I digress. In the future, we can't use Dominion. And it's not even about the allegations. What Mike Lindell has done is brought to the forefront a very serious issue. I think Mike Lindell, absolutely, with his claims, and feel free to say the dude's out of his mind, we now have to answer one question. Why are we using proprietary unseen software code in our public elections?

I just can't accept that. And if it wasn't for this news cycle, Mike Lindell and the supposed Amala stuff, we wouldn't even be talking about the fact that we have a company with proprietary code that we can't actually see. Right. Well, if that's all that was causing Dominion's damages, actually, Lindell and Powell and whoever would be in much better shape because they would be able to say that it's actually truthful claims, right, that would have caused the damages. The problem here is that what's alleged in the complaint, I mean, and I don't know exactly the extent of what Lindell said, but I don't think that Dominion lords would go out there and falsify

quotations from lindell i think they could go into the record and find them it's the kind of thing you'd get caught on and really slap down for professional ethics so when you know when mike lindell released some uh like like hash code data and then the media came out and said you know i think it was c. They were like, we had 30 experts or like 15 experts. Look at this. We said it was nothing. The reality is even before CNN did it,

I actually hit up one of my hacker buddies and asked them what they thought of it. And they were like, I don't, we don't see anything here. Like it's, it's, it's,

it's like it's data. It doesn't, it's not proving anything happened. And then Michael Lindell came out and said, Oh, that's not, that's just a show. We have the data.

And so for me, it's kind of been really difficult to, to track now for what are we going on we're going on almost a year of all of the claims and accusations that keep changing that keep evolving i i'll admit i think there are things that were were anomalous that definitely give me pause that we should look into but i've just been sitting here waiting like with every guest we've had on the show talking about this i won't call every single person, but even people like Bannon. I'm just like, please show me something, anything. And it's always like, well, there was an anomaly here.

And I'm like, I get that. But saying, like, a man walked through a dark alley at midnight doesn't prove he robbed the bank. You know what I mean? Yeah, there's, like, a lot of, it feels very, like, kind of, there's a lot of obfuscating going on. Like, they're trying to like and then also extrapolate you know why you know aggressive extrapolation um and i mean i'm speaking to someone who again i recorded the video the poll watcher being kicked out of philadelphia of a polling station in philadelphia that went viral on election day like i mean you're not

you're not talking to a person who thinks these elections are pristine or that there's some there aren't some serious problems but this the stuff that they've been saying, I mean, I remember when Sidney Powell originally alleged stuff like Venezuela and Russia cooperated to rig our election. Remember the German servers and the shootout with the CIA in Germany or whatever? It's just like, come on, man.

I didn't even remember any of that. Yeah, can you lay out some of the specific claims they've made that seem... I mean, I don't want to like... I don't have it in front of me, so I have to remember it. But there was a press conference where it was and it was like a trump campaign press conference with uh giuliani jenna ellis uh and sydney powell i think and maybe one or two other people but i know sydney those three spoke and sydney was the one who just out of nowhere

started making allegations about the foreign actors colluding to like rig the election and i remember thinking at the time i was like well that's an aggressive claim i wonder what she's got to back that up and it turned out we haven't seen anything substantive to back that up there's there's weird business connections weird international individuals and business people and all that stuff but the challenge is and i think this is important for important for the people who genuinely believe all of these claims and think Trump is going to be reinstated, you go to a regular person that doesn't lead to Trump being reinstated. Right. Because there's a process. The only way, you know, to remove a president, in turn, you have to impeach him. The vice president takes power.

Are you going to then impeach the vice president? I guess their plan is to have Trump run for house and then hopefully make him speaker of the house and then somehow get him in the line of succession. But not on August 15th. For the future, you know, dominoes of impeachment to fall. But, like, that's, you know's a year and a half from now. Is there going to be a congressman who dies and then Trump is appointed as a special election? Then he becomes speaker,

even though we don't have a majority in the House? Check this out. We got another story I want to jump to. Nearly a third of Republicans still believe Trump will be reinstated this year. In poll released two days before conspiracy theorists predicted it would happen. Yeah, I can hear your reaction. They believe that I think in four days.

Was it the 15th? No, no. Okay. I guess it's the 13th. I don't know when they think Trump is going to be brought back. But why? I'll put it this way, man. All of these claims require tremendous leaps of faith about what's happening with the government. And even if you believed everything, all the impropriety and all the accusations and all

the conspiracies, you would have to then believe that there is an element of the government that is going to remove the current administration to allow a path for Trump to come back in and be reinstated somehow. And I'm just thinking, like, to get from point A to where everyone is at with this reinstatement thing, it's like going from A to Z. Like, you got to go A, B, C, D. You got to go each and every step. And that is such a tremendous leap. I just don't understand how people can believe that's going to happen. I mean, it's scary. And I think the people who are promulgating that

are really either completely out of their depth, right? And that's the most generous interpretation of it. The other one is really malicious, where it's just like they're grifting, right? They're lying to persuade people to continue to give them money. I'll tell you this. Is it possible that Donald Trump is reinstated as president? Oh, it's physically possible. Yes, absolutely. It's in the realm of this existence.

It's not like I'm saying he's going to grow wings and fly to the moon or anything like that. But it's just like I would rather buy a lottery ticket. You know, like the likelihood is just astronomical i i i'm a bit i suppose the right word would be flabbergasted by people who would be willing to believe something so i what tremendous could and would occur because the amount of things that would have to happen for that for that process to play out is astronomical astronomical yeah you could prove that he cheated. You could prove that Biden knowingly cheated, right?

And the thing is, it would be like the Democrats thinking that they could prove... You're saying hypothetically. Hypothetically, right? Yes. Otherwise, it sounds like you're saying... No, no, no, no, no. I am saying the hypothetical world, you know, the hypothetical world where even this, that Biden would be impeached over this stuff is a hypothetical where

Biden literally knew about everything. I mean, it's a preposterous notion again student i do not believe that it's hypothetical um but even if he got there like it would be equivalent to democrats in 2016 saying we if well if we prove trump won the elect like concluded with russia to win the election then hillary will be president right and you'd be like exactly dude you know you know you know you don't blow my mind because i was watching the symposium and they play this video because i'm i'm not somebody who's going to be like i won't watch that no i watched i watched a lot of it i can't obviously can't watch all because i'm working but what they claim that uh nasa's involved with like elements in china and the deep state and stuff and i'm like okay okay slow down there you cannot open your

presentation by telling regular people who don't know what's going on that nasa is involved in some kind of plot because you you'll you'll lose people man you just it's i'm sorry it's out there it's it's absolutely did they mean the nsa i'm trying to figure out a way to interpret that generously interesting nat nasa the the the poorly funded organization aeronaut was it? Aeronautical and Space Administration? That literally had to give up the space shuttle because they didn't have enough cash. Don't you understand, Will, that behind the scenes, that's a front. Everybody knows that NASA is actually the Illuminati.

Right. Well, they decided to actually stop going to space and start, like, secretly plotting coups against the elected government. I should mention, I was curious about this number that you brought up, that a third of Republicans believe that Trump will be reinstated this year. So I just went and took a look at the data that they pulled this from. So the question they asked was, how likely do you think it is that former President Donald Trump will be reinstated as U.S. president this year, if at all? And out of 2,000 people surveyed,

I think the percentage was 10 saying very likely nine percent saying somewhat likely and then 13 saying not very likely then not very likely at all or don't know or no opinion so it's so it's not that a third believe he will be it's that they that a total of a third lean towards maybe yeah or that it's possible because yeah because not very likely doesn't sound like that person is saying i think trump is going to be reinstated within this year but what's what's so there's people think 10 says very likely and then what's the next percentage let me pull this back up um i just lost this my apologies 10 of republicans or 10 of the public oh yeah actually let me double check because that's so all right so the survey it looks as if the survey

is only surveying republicans but let me take a moment and i'll clarify this too because this was a this is a garbage headline from daily mail they go on to say 29% of Republicans believe Trump could be reinstated. Now, actually, that's actually, that's correct. Yeah. Trump could be reinstated. In the abstract following the sort of path I laid out where he becomes a speaker of the House. Yeah, reinstate isn't the right word. No, no, no.

Could Trump be reinstated? No. No, no, no. Look. Yeah, reinstated would be the wrong word. It is physically possible in this world for a Rube Goldberg-like political operation to occur in which Trump becomes speaker because Nancy Pelosi steps down. And then there's a snap emergency election where they're like, we're going to vote for Trump. And for some reason, progressives protest and say, we'll vote for Trump, too.

It will never happen. But the point I'm making is that it might be a point zero zero zero zero zero one chance it could happen right so it's depending on how you you play the semantics of the yeah i was saying like saying that it would be it wouldn't be a reinstatement in that case it would be like he would be that this speaker of the house that then is elevated yeah he was he succeeded to the president succession would he be then succeeded again succeeded but but i justceeded. But I just want. Yeah. I got it.

I want everybody listening to just imagine something right now. Okay. Just imagine this. First, I want to say I do not believe. I genuinely mean this. I have looked at a lot of the anomalies and a lot of the data. I believe there should be an investigation. I believe there should be audits.

I think we need that to build confidence back for the American people and to help kind of resolve this extreme divide. But I want you to imagine something. It's August 14th. The cyber symposium has ended. At the very end of the symposium, Mike Lindell stands up without saying a word and presses enter on a keyboard. And documents appear on the screen. And all the journalists in attendance are like, I can't believe it. I work for the New York Times and even I must admit it's true. appear on the screen and all the journalists in attendance are like i i can't believe it i work

for the new york times and even i must admit it's true and then they write fervently like wow mike lindell oh he's correct and then all these things and then all of a sudden biden is like seen in a plane and he's flying to china and kamala harris is like crossing the border to canada and they're like what do we do and the secret service picks up trump and they drive in the white house that's not gonna happen no no it's not gonna happen no it him to the White House. That's not going to happen. No, it's not going to happen. No, it's not. It's not ever going to happen.

It sounds like Dominion. It'd be a cool movie. It'd be a really cool movie. Yeah, it would be a great movie. We have to change the names. No one would know who it was about. It'd be secret. I don't like Joe Biden. Okay, gas prices are going up.

Joe Biden comes out and says he issues a warning on gas prices. It's his fault gas prices are going up, and the media is covering for him saying it's not his fault. I just want to make sure everybody understands I don't like that guy. Okay. Yeah. Did we talk about today how he decided his administration requested that OPEC release more oil? Like, we have oil in this country. We had a pipeline that was going to be built

that was under construction with lots of jobs already on the line we'll get into that in a second who shut that down i don't know let's let's let's probably the same guy who rigged the dominion machines it seems like dominion's getting out ahead on this one because they know i can't say for sure but the fact that they did stuff in secret, it's a Canadian corporation, it's Canadian, it's from what I've learned, it's Canadian. And they don't want to get busted. They don't want to get attacked for it, so they're going

on the offensive. That's what it sounds like. Does that make any sense to you? I don't think that's it at all. I think it's as simple as their billion dollar business is decimated by what a lot of people said about them. Because think about it from the perspective of, if you're offering election machines,

you need to have a completely un-besmirched reputation. Otherwise, no one can hire you. That's a good point. If other people are saying things about your machines that are false, if half the country believes them, then your business is dead. Which means that all the things that were said about Dominion

crushed their business in a way that caused them likely hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. I'll tell you this. First and foremost, I said we've got to have open source. Either they free the code, like Ian often says. This is the one area where I agree, because we need to be able to see what those machines do, flat out. My friend told me a story

about some guy who got a speeding ticket from a radar gun. And when he went to court, they said, you know, we've got the evidence that shows you were speeding. And then he requested the court subpoena the source code for the radar gun. And he said to the judge, for all we know, it's a random number generator. And the judge agreed. The people who make the radar gun need to prove that their gun works this way and how and show the code to the defense so the defense can understand the evidence presented against them i think that if

we're going to have elections we gotta have the ability to look at the code that being said based on everything that's happened the accusations made against dominion i think dominion should be purged from every single uh voting system every county, just for one reason. Half the people in this country are skeptical, are concerned, are scared, have lost confidence. Now, that is in line with defamation. That's bad for Dominion across the board. I'm looking at it this way. I want America to get better.

I want people to come together. I want to get back to having policy arguments, not tribalist arguments. And that means there's got to be compromise. And if you've got the Trump supporters saying, we do not trust this company, then we say, we'll hire a different company. We'll make the source code open source or we'll make it open source. I totally agree, right? Elections, people need to have public faith in elections. And no one company's fate or business success comes up over that at the same time like if that company

was lied about in a way that caused them this damage and made it so we nobody could use them for an election rigging machine then they have a legit defamation claim but what are the against the people who lied about them look michael and dell's not a poor guy and i think they're suing for like a billion dollars but they're they're whether they're squeezing blood out of turnip you know what i mean like they might get something but i mean they're also going after all the news companies too too, right? They're suing Fox News, Newsmax, OAN. I mean, there's...

Fox has... I mean, that's where I think they're thinking the big money is. But, you know, they're going to go after everybody. You know what's crazy is... First off, I'm going to say this, too. Like, I don't like Dominion voting systems. I don't like... I'm learning about proprietary code in our public elections.

I am not a fan of that. That's bad. As a company, i don't know i will say that they're both based in canada and colorado so i don't know if they're if you can call them just a canadian company or whatever but i don't know man no you have to you have to free the software code because it could you don't know that it's doing anything nefarious but they could have like secret backdoor things that, if this vote tallies this, then flip to this. And you just don't

know. That's the problem. Right, right, right. It's not even about saying that we believe there's a grand conspiracy and this company's involved. It's about saying, we want to make sure your code works properly and that in matters of public election, we can see how we need transparency in government, is a good way to put it.

I recognize there's confidential, there's secret, there's top secret and stuff. We get it. There's classified information. But when it comes to our elections, we should be able to look at the code and be like, oh yeah, I get it. We don't need classified information about how our elections work. That's actually completely antithetical to what elections are designed to do, which is

make people... The entire point of having elections is to make the losing side agree that they lost. That's very true. That's's like that's a good point that's so that we have peaceful transitions of power right and and and the problem i have right now with him that's going on with like arizona and wisconsin stuff is that you know they're issuing subpoenas in arizona and they're actually getting pushback it's like just hand it hand it over like look i get it they're they they you know they're arguing it's a waste of time or whatever. It's a violation of security.

And I'm like, dude, you need to convince people that you're claiming lost, that they lost. You should, with a smile on your face, be like, here's the data, man. Have at it. Have a good day. Yeah, or we change the way our elections are run to make it so it should be to a point where it's stupid to even consider that the elections are fraudulent like if you if you were in israel and you were like oh that election was was rigged every israeli would just laugh at you'd be like it's just not possible like you can't the way that the the measures we have in place for election integrity like what you have to do to be able to vote what you have to do to verify that vote the custody of the ballots like

it's so but you mean that literally like israel system is israel system is super secure right like they don't use electronic they don't yeah right like we we don't need to use them like that said not using them will be bad for all these companies businesses but we don't need to use them that's one of the things one of the one of the guys at the symposium said we got to vote amish no electricity i don't necessarily agree with that either because if you hand someone a stack of papers and then you trust them to go count it, they don't have to. They can count it any way they want. I would imagine a number of different people verifying that they counted it properly. But I agree that there's an advantage to the computer technology where you can have all of the data stored perpetually for everyone to look at whenever they want.

In public on a blockchain? Or just for you to verify with like a QR code that only your account can scan and read to verify that your vote is being tallied as you set it. And then it's kind of up to you to verify your own vote. But at least there's a public available database where you can do that. Let's talk about Joe Biden. Joe Biden's husband, Joe Biden.

Joe Biden is not a good president. What? Come on. Hold on. I will not have that talk on Shimcast IRL. Joe Biden's the greatest president we've ever had. Serious question for you, Seamus. Who was the last great president? Oh, man.

You can't ask me something like that. Here's the thing. Oh, Jimmy Carter, man. Oh, come on, bro. What are you doing? Shimcast IRL? I mean, look. Andrew Johnson is the next one we're going for.

I think I've said this before. I definitely think Trump is the best president of my lifetime in terms of the last great president. That's a really tough question. I don't know. Eisenhower was pretty damn good. Yeah. I like Eisenhower a lot. I like that guy.

Oh, yeah. I trusted him. He's the one who came out and was like the military industrial complex. Yeah, that's right. He destroyed the country. Trump said the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, let's talk about Mr. Joe Biden. So earlier today, I did a segment, and it was probably one of the easiest segments I've ever done because I was just so grossly offended by the media. Joe Biden came out. I'm sorry, the Biden administration saying, alarm bells, the rising gas prices, energy prices are going to stifle the recovery.

And OPEC, they need to start producing more supply so that we have cheaper gas prices. And I said, hey, wait a minute, Joe, that's your fault. It is your fault. Gas prices are going up. But what does the media say? GOP pounces on claims that Joe Biden caused the prices to go up. And then I see every fact check after fact check after fact check saying false, false,

false, false, false. Republicans are lying. Republicans are lying. And then I was like, oh, boy. First and foremost, the framing of all these fact checks was Joe Biden shutting down Keystone XL and banning fracking on public land did not cause prices to go up. Is that what Republicans said? I'm not a fan of most of these guys, but one of the things I think it was Grassley who said inflation by bad policy is causing all prices to go up, of which one of the core basic necessities for an average person is gas.

And inflation means that gas will go up as well. Now you can argue, oh, now you're arguing semantics and just trying to save face. Oh, it goes deeper than that. I'm looking at all these fact checks. My favorite is when USA Today says gas is going up, not because of Biden's policies, but because of a lack of supply. Demand is here, but supply is short. I wonder why there's a lack of supply.

Then you get courts saying there is no shortage of gasoline in this country because they're writing about different things. And I'm like, OK, now we're getting the semantics of what it means that there's a short supply or a shortage. Low supply doesn't mean shortage because low supply means it's available, but shortage means no. Okay. They're the same thing.

So you can't have the news coming out screaming there is no shortage of gas while they're saying prices are going up because there's a shortage of gas at the same time. This is what the media does. And it's ridiculous. I'll tell you this. Joe Biden is the cause of the high gas prices for, I think, what, one, two, three, three reasons. First, Keystone Pipeline shutting it down. That pipeline was not going to be transporting crude anytime soon. But the banning of fracking on federal land, on public lands, and Keystone caused speculators to publicly state that they felt this

would result in a low supply in the future and high prices. So they were buying now driving prices up, which reaches the gas pump for you, the consumer. Then you have inflation. Joe Biden printing this unemployment bonus and the eviction moratorium is causing prices across the board to go up, including your gas. And third, the labor shortage because people are getting paid and they don't have to work, they're choosing not to work, and there's a shortage of truck drivers. Gas isn't making the stations. Gas is going up. All of that is

Joe Biden's fault, and I am sick of the media playing defense because they're too stupid. Either they're too stupid to look at the big picture or they're just covering for a garbage administration. Tell us how you really feel today. Can you repeat that, actually? I wasn Yeah, right. This is why I said, can you repeat that actually? I wasn't, I'm just kidding.

It is so insanely obvious to anybody who just reads the news all day that Joe Biden is screwing up the economy in so many different ways. We had this jobs report come out and there were like 954,000 jobs. It's above what we predicted.

This is great. Everyone's clapping. Except job openings went up as well to record levels. 10.1 million. At the same time, the projected consumer price index was going to be 5.3 for the year. It's 5.4. It's higher than they thought.

What's that? It's inflation. It's the cost of goods going up from this month to last year. It has gone up. Now you've got Shake Shack announcing they're increasing the price of their burgers. Tyson says their meat's going to be more expensive. Pork is up, I think, 39%. Gas is up something like 30 or so percent. All of this is because Biden is doing a miserable and pathetic job across the board. Speculators

are driving it up because he banned these things. Then he gives Russia the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. This dude is hurting America. He is hurting the working class. And the most frustrating thing is when you try to talk to these young populist leftist types, they don't understand how the economy works. So they side with Democratic establishment chills. Yeah, exactly right. There's also the extended unemployment, which has driven up the cost of labor substantially, which is, I guess, not inherently a bad thing. I think workers should get paid more generally, but I'd like to do it in a way that doesn't require us to pay people who can go work

or should be able to go work and pay them. We're still paying extended unemployment benefits in a world where there's a million job openings. Yes, exactly. 10.1 million job openings and not enough workers in the market to fill those jobs. And look, I posted a video. This is actually I think the biggest video I've ever posted to Instagram because I don't really care about Instagram all that much.

I just post fun stuff. It's fun. We were shopping, and we were going to the dairy section looking at the milk. And I saw this little thing, this little star on the fridge, and it said $500 hiring 500 hiring bonus and i was like that's a weird place to put the hiring on the milk section and then i look and there's another one another one another one another one every 10 feet was saying 500 hiring bonus yeah now we've seen those signs and we've talked about them before we have seen the fast food restaurant saying well we're hired we'll give you pay you a bonus a thousand bucks come open interviews It's getting worse.

The last week or like two weeks ago, I went grocery shopping. We did not see these bonuses. The grocery store had employees and it's gotten so bad in the past couple of weeks. Now, even my local grocery store is saying we're basically desperate. Two questions. Did you plant those signs before you got the video? No. Okay.

I didn't think so. That's real. It that's like 130 or so thousand views on instagram and it was just me shopping like look at this and it's got like 1300 comments people are recognizing this stuff in their areas and the craziest thing to me you know you don't close my mind democrats believe the economy is fairly good yeah yeah i mean it this is something you i well, this is because they live in the cities where it's like there was already a high minimum wage in a lot of elite cities. So the different, effectively what the extended unemployment did is it creates its own very high minimum wage. Exactly.

It resets the market equilibrium. Right. Because it's like the opportunity cost of going to work or not going to work. Right. And so in a place with a high minimum wage already, it's not actually going to change the labor market that much. In a place that's in the rural area where people are getting paid close to actual minimum wage, things are dramatically different. Like I was driving down to North Carolina. We stopped

right outside of Richmond. We were like, oh, let's go to a Waffle House. We walked in. First thing you see is a little display, kind of like those science projects. I saw that, yeah. Right? Like the third, fourth grade science project, little panels. They're being like, come work here. It's so wonderful. Walk in, they're being like come work here it's so wonderful walk in they're like sorry to go only because no staff yeah then we go across the street to the fuddruckers you can see on the sign there it says we're only open 12 to 8 because of staffing issues yeah like every if you're in rural america any restaurant it's like staffing issues galore and it's getting worse it's getting worse we so we have it we have a local diner and we went there only one section was open and it said they they were closing early like i think they were closing at like 6 p.m or something i posted about this i can't remember the exact time they were

closing but closing early and i was like whoa this is a diner like diners like aren't they supposed to be open 24 7 you come in for breakfast lunch and dinner and then we went in and they were short-staffed and they were like we're desperately trying to hire cooks. Somebody superchatted us the other day saying that at their IHOP, they had to ship in a cook from a different store because the IHOP would have had to have closed because it had no staff. Yeah. I just want to interject here. And by the way, I think you hit the nail on the head perfectly when you said that. It's insane to be giving people massive unemployment benefits when there's such a surplus of jobs that people aren't taking. It completely defeats the purpose.

But also, given what you've just said, it becomes clear to anyone who didn't already recognize this that our framing is totally off here because the way it's stated is X new jobs were created this month. But these aren't new jobs, so to speak. I mean, they are, but they came in and shut down the entire economy, and now some of the jobs that we used to have are being reinstated, though you can't even quite say that they're being reinstated because a lot of the small businesses that were shut down are never going to reopen. And now these services are being provided for by larger companies. But when we get these job numbers, I mean, this is getting the economy back to quote unquote normal. This isn't

improving our condition overall. Yeah. And it's just i mean it's it's incredibly sad it's gonna it's gonna change the way i mean what's gonna do to restaurants in this country oh yeah especially in areas that aren't wealthy it's gonna change it to like sweden like in sweden and scandinavia with socialism people don't go to restaurants very often because they're absurdly expensive and i think that's ultimately where we're going we're just going to get to a point where normal working class people can't go to restaurants or just only do it extremely rarely. I'll push back a little bit.

The Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. They're just welfare states. And I think the reason the prices are really high is because they're cold countries. Maybe, but no. There are other European countries where you can go to restaurants. It's true. It's very common. I've been to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark

a couple different times each and the prices are insane for whatever reason. Now here's what's fascinating. I'll agree with you on this point. When I was in Bergen, Norway, I was walking down this, I can't remember where it was, it was like a boulevard, a market street kind of boulevard, and there was a street vendor

with a styrofoam plate and fried fish fillets and french fries. Fish and chips. And I was like, street food. You can always count on street food wherever you go. Yeah, you gotta enjoy that, right? Walk up to the guy and I'm like, alright, let's do some fish and chips. He scoops it up, puts it on the styrofoam plate

and says, $50. Where? Where? Bergen, Norway. Wow. Same in Iceland. $50. $50 US dollars? $50 US dollars. It, my God. Where? Bergen, Norway. Wow. Same in Iceland. $50. $50 US dollars? $50 US dollars. It's like even a hipster boutique would be ashamed. He did not say, that'll be $50, sir.

He was like, you know, whatever, crowns or whatever. And then I looked it up, and I was like, that's got to be a mistake. And I showed him, and he was like, yeah. And so I was talking to someone who was in Norway, and they were like, oh, yeah, that's normal for us. Like, going out to eat is like a special thing. And I was like, what? I was watching a interview what was our interview putin was talking to a bunch of students like six years ago and they were like what should we do premiere and he was like learn to cook and they all laughed they're like no really what should we learn to do what should we

do he was like learn to cook yeah dude and it was like shock waves now i'm feeling the shock waves of what he was saying we talked about we talked about this a lot with mckayla peterson the other day people do not eat properly they eat trash that's true and it really does is a bad effect from the ground up garbage in garbage out fast food disgusting phrase what food is not supposed to be fast it's medicine so here's here's here's where i'm at with this collapse we're witnessing, the slow motion collapses. Fast food tastes good. I don't like it. You know what I mean?

Yeah, sure. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean that we should have some authority come in and just sledgehammer the industries and the things that people like. This is Michael Bloomberg's ideology. Do you remember when Michael Bloomberg said tax the poor? I'm not exaggerating. He literally said that. What? He said they're too stupid.

Michael Bloomberg said that poor people are, and Michael Bloomberg said, too stupid. And Michael Bloomberg said, I'm doing this on purpose. Michael Bloomberg. He didn't say that. What? I shouldn't have even interjected. I'm doing this on purpose. He didn't say that part.

No, I'm saying his name several times. Michael Bloomberg said that poor people, according to Bloomberg, are too stupid, and according to Bloomberg, the government needs to spend money, according to Bloomberg, for them because they wouldn't know what to buy properly and they would buy bad things and hurt themselves.

That's an indicative mentality of this elite. I don't like saying elite because I don't think they're doing a very good job. So they're obviously low level, but they've got these positions of power and they really think people are like cattle they think that they can't do things for themselves and they can't think for themselves so they build these institutions to take care of them maybe they're right maybe there's something to the wild human stupidity and we have to corral them and i don't know no you're right i mean generally speaking that is the progressive perspective so when you hear

these lefties come out and say things like well well, we need a single payer system because people can't just choose their health care in the private market. Now, first of all, our health care system has many issues. I think that there's a lot of reform that has to take place in order to straighten it out. But the argument that the best possible solution for people is for their money to be funneled through the state so the government can make that decision for them is exactly embodied in what Bloomberg said. So even though he said the quiet part loud, I don't think it's all that uncommon an attitude. I'm trying to find something from this video I watched recently, but I can't find the graph he used. The funny thing is they're like the biggest idiots themselves.

Yes. They simultaneously believe that, like, for example, it's conservative Trump voters who are the biggest anti-vax population. I haven't seen the evidence of that. That was Brianna Kalar. And then they also are thinking, what are we going to do for vaccine outreach? Oh, I know. We'll have some gender-bending weirdo do a White House hit.

And by the way, that guy was ripping off the character from 30 Rock. The dude just blatantly ripping that character off. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, but that doesn't make sense. I mean, Will's point stands, right? They seem to be marketing towards a left-wing demographic, even though their claim is that it's generally Trump supporters who need to be reached.

The CIA was doing that, too, with their recruitment campaigns. Like, I don't know. They're going to be like, oh, well, we tried reaching out to Trump supporters. They didn't buy the gender-bending guy. I guess we'll just force them to get vaccines. The 20-year-old TikToker who was gender bending. It's crazy. I guess there's nothing we can do. That's funny. So Ian, I think you're a little bit right about people not exactly knowing what's right for them. And it's because people aren't fully responsible. And I think this

is part of what's given the government so much power over us. And this is why we're facing rising authoritarianism. I think we're also giving humans too much credit. People think they're above the animal kingdom in a lot of ways. And it's disturbing because we're just animals that repeat what we're told, and we believe what we're told. Speak for yourself. Except Seamus. Yeah, I disagree. I disagree. I think sentience goes a long way.

I mean, we can give credit to dolphins and elephants, I guess. Of course, and cats and dogs. I mean, they're all sentient. You have – humans have great power. Very intelligent. I'm not denying that, but still animals. And we need to eat and destroy to consume, to live, and we make smelly poops, and we're disgusting and violent. I think we've probably argued about this before.

I believe we have free will, and so that places us above animals. I wouldn't consider humans animals. We're creatures. We're created things, but I wouldn't put us in the animal kingdom. The free will conversation is fascinating. I used to think that we have total free will, but now I think we're just kind of captive to our surroundings. I can't not eat. I would love to not

eat. Well, I don't think you have freedom to defy the laws of nature or physics. What's stopping you from getting up right now and just leaving? Not much. Well, that was me. That's free will. You've never done that before. My concession of reality like i would never do that because i have a greater goal and a plan that i feel like i'm compelled towards you have free will you could say that whole plan i can throw out the window and just get up and walk out but you you don't

so it's not because you're being forced to stay here you have the free will to choose but look i want i want to i do want to loop back to uh what's going on the economy too and not get too far off the rails. Because I did have an article I pulled up while we were talking about this. My friends, I give you the great resignation. Why millions of people are quitting and how employers can earn them back. This is from Inc.com. Four million people quit their jobs in April alone.

Money had little to do with it. And even less to do with earning the right to find the right people for your business. I want to show you this video. This is from Trace Dominguez. I know Trace. I think he's a cool dude. He made a video and said, I quit. You should too. The great resignation is coming.

I'm not highlighting his video to rag on him in any way. I think his video is actually very fascinating. He shows the Microsoft Work Trend Index. 41% of the global workforce are considering a job change in the next year with 46% planning to make a major career transition.

The reason I show the video is because among this, you know, I guess, I don't know, he's a YouTuber. I met him when we were at Discovery. But among him and his friends

and his circle and his worldview, he's advocating for people to quit their jobs. Now, that Inc.com said it's not about money. And I'll tell you this. It's not about money. The reason it's not about money is because unemployment and the eviction moratorium have given people the opportunity to consider things outside of money. Because of that, it is because of the unemployment.

But people aren't looking for work because of money, because they have it. So when Wendy says, we'll give you $1,000, it's not about the money. Why? Because they have money and they don't have to pay rent. Not everybody, but a lot. That's why we, for instance, at Timcast, we're slammed with resumes nonstop all day, every day. And people saying they would work for really low wages and stuff like that. We don't do that. But we get people saying like, I want to work here. Meanwhile, Wendy's, you know, supermarkets, whatever, they don't get that. And that is only possible because the government is paying people. Now, this is the great reset. I'm not, I'm all for if this works out well to the betterment of mankind. i'm not a fan of the authoritarianism of destroying

someone's job someone's goals someone's livelihood because you think you found a better way that's scary to me yeah i mean like i i simultaneously think that it's it is in many ways and it has been the rational thing to do to quit a minimum wage job um in the world where you're or if you can manage to finagle it so you're getting unemployment because unemployment early on was like a thousand a week and even now i mean when you add up state and the federal booster it's like 700 800 yeah and that's that's free free money it's like 16 bucks an hour right so like even say you had a kid and they were working a minimum wage job or whatever they had like a high school diploma you'd be like go take to quit and go do like training go to go do

something that you can change your job and make more money. Right? Like that's, that's the rational thing to do in a world where, you know, the, the reason it's rational thing in the world to do when you're not happy with your current salary or your current job, and somebody is going to pay you a lot of money to not be in that job. Can you explain this to me? Well, with unemployment, you pay taxes on unemployment when you receive them. It's considered an insurance claim. They call it unemployment insurance. Are there any other insurance payouts that you have to pay taxes on unemployment when you receive them. It's considered an insurance claim. They call it unemployment insurance. Are there any other insurance payouts that you have to pay taxes on?

I mean, you're paying your Social Security, which is nominally an insurance type thing, and also Medicare, Medicaid. But, like, if you were to get an injury and then they pay you, like, an insurance claim? Yeah, there's disability, too. Do you have to pay tax on that insurance payout? I'm not sure exactly what the rules are.

I mean, because, like, I'm an employer. I think I pay that. I found it very unethical to receive an unemployment check that I've already paid into, then to have to pay taxes on that check. I don't know the rules. So those people, it's not

necessarily free money. They still have to pay taxes on it. Sure, sure, sure. But still, free money is just less. I hope people realize that, or we can see an influx of tax delinquents americans got a weight problem uh cdc says that of the hospitalizations we've seen so far 30.2 percent were due to uh were people who were obese i don't want to say due to but we're obese we know that america uh in many countries just people eat too much so so what's happening now We're seeing people don't want to work fast food anymore. Well, it's only possible because of this unemployment stuff.

If I were to envision a future where there was substantially less fast food, people are more likely to garden, grow their own food, be responsible for their food, and eat healthier. That's a good thing. If people were able to and more likely to work on things they were passionate about, I think it's a good thing. I think it's a waste of energy for people to be working fast food in places like that. The problem is I don't believe the ends justify the means. So we can look at this vision of this beautiful future where everyone's eating healthy, they're exercising,

everyone's politically active to a certain degree and calm and shaking hands and high-fiving. Wouldn't that be a great future? Wouldn't these utopians be great? These utopias be great? The problem is, in order to get there, you get some despotic wingnut who says, we are going to destroy as many lives as possible to get it. Yeah, I mean, there's just,

I don't think there's the right to just destroy so many people's businesses or to dramatically change them. Yeah, of course not. And especially small businesses. Like, that's who this hurts. It's like the eviction moratorium, right? The end result of the eviction moratorium is not no more landlords. Yeah, of course not. You just have massive, large land-loading companies like you do in major cities, Bizzuto, Avalon, all those sorts of companies. BlackRock.

The government's actually subsidizing them right now. This is what scares me the most, though, is that the reason why I pulled up this video and that article is that I think Seamus mentioned the jobs we're seeing, the openings, are from people quitting. Partially true. A lot of people are quitting. Some of these jobs are new with companies popping up saying we need to hire people. But when you combine the fact that people want to quit, people are quitting. Some of these jobs are new with companies popping up saying we need to hire people. But when you combine the fact that people want to quit, people are quitting, and then people are advocating for others to quit.

If you think the economy is good right now, you must be watching CNN. Yeah. No, I was going to say. I mean, CNN's saying it's good. I would say it's also extremely dangerous. I mean, look, we had an economy which had many flaws. And some would even argue in some ways it was a house of cards just based on its foundations with the Federal Reserve banking system, but that's a whole other topic to get into.

I think the point is, generally speaking, the people who owned businesses, a large number of them were people who took initiative early on. They decided that they were going to forego immediate reward and work for years and years on something that they would not see a financial return on for quite a bit, which is how it goes for a small business owner. And many of those people had their businesses shut down. And now we have an economy that's sort of been rerouted where anyone can quit their job and without going through the pain and suffering that used to be required to build a business, be able to do so. But I don't know

that that's going to weed people out the way the system used to so that only the most dedicated people who really believe in their vision are engaging in that. I think a lot of people who really aren't made to run their own business are just going to end up wasting a lot of time and tax money. Well, I don't know what's going to happen to those people. Were they going to sit around and just eat food, just buy things and extract from the system, and then those who want to work are just basically fueling and funding the people who don't work, that's not sustainable.

I've talked about this for decades now, basically, since I was a kid. The philosophical consequences of technological advancement. When you get to the point where you start eliminating jobs due to automation, robotics, etc., those people are going to lose their jobs, and it's not their fault.

You could spend 20 years as a master of this, I don't know, a lathe or whatever, a lathe master, whatever those jobs are called, cutting rocks. And then one day they're like, we got a robot that can do it faster and better than you, so you're fired. Where are you going to go work? You had a great salary. Maybe you were making six figures running this plant. Now they're firing you. Where are you going to go? Learn to code?

No, it's not going to happen. So now we have people who, through no fault of their own, who played by the rules, did everything right, are now in serious trouble. Suppose you could argue they should have saved better. Well, not everybody can. And so we have to ask ourselves, how do we transition to making sure people don't lose access to the economy and resources when we make them obsolete through technological development. The problem is there is no point at which we flip the switch on. It's not like everybody's got to work right now and technology advanced, so flip, no, no one works.

No, people will still have to make food. People will still have to grow food. Farmers will still have to farm. People picking crops will still have to pick those crops. But the people in New York City, the people who write garbage articles about celebrities, oh, they can stop working. And that's an interesting point you brought up, Will, about how the labor shortage affects the rural areas. What are people in cities, what are many of them doing? I look at New York's media landscape and I'm like, these people produce nothing. I get it. It's attention economy.

It's wasting people's time. They're reading articles, listicles of pictures of cats. No joke. I mean, they're like, I found 12 pictures of cats and we're going to say, these cats all look like famous historical figures and they get paid to do that. They have produced nothing.

Meanwhile, the people in the rural areas, the people who are farming, the people who are mining, the people in construction, the plumbers, the people in the rural areas, the people who are farming, the people who are mining, the people in construction, the plumbers, the firefighters, the cops, the contractors, they do hard work constructing and building and making things for society. That's not getting automated at any time soon. But those jobs, we have AI writing garbage articles. Those people get free money and they're chilling in their cities and it's not a big deal for them. Everyone else, they get left holding the stick.

Eventually, people are going to say, hey, wait a minute. I'm growing all this food and you're just taking it from me? That's not going to last very long. Yeah. Well, in something you said sort of touches on something I mentioned earlier but didn't really get into. I mentioned our economy kind of being built on a house of cards and you were talking about savings, the fact that a lot of people's businesses got shut down, and maybe they could have saved more. Well, unfortunately, our economy has been structured in a way which disincentivizes saving,

and that goes into this mentality of not wanting people to build the necessary virtue of deferring gratification. Or, I mean, I should really say in many ways that's the basis of all virtue. But we have a system where it's not exactly a shock that people are going to be inclined towards becoming takers rather than makers as soon as the opportunity presents itself because we haven't exactly set things up in a way that incentivizes responsibility even if you had saved enough to keep your business afloat for example five percent of all of your savings would be gone today from last year without you spending a penny but max kaiser he said he thinks it was like what 10 to 14 he thinks the government's, what, 10% to 14%.

He thinks the government's lying about the number. Yeah. Because that would cause Social Security to skyrocket. To skyrocket, exactly. So they're in panic mode. And how would they pay for Social Security? Probably print more money. And then the inflation gets worse.

I'll tell you. And then they acknowledge the inflation's worse and Social Security goes up. This is what I was saying the other day. If you give someone $300 for free and they're like, hey, that buys me groceries for the week, they'll gladly accept it. And then within a month or two, however long, now they're like, 300 bucks, that covers half my groceries for the week. Then in a few months, 300 bucks. Wow, that's a free cheeseburger. No matter how much the currency inflates and no matter how much the

currency is devalued, they'll still accept free money if it gets them something of value. And so I think I've mentioned this on the show before, but even the people with this modern monetary theory fantasy acknowledge that if your economy isn't productive, printing more money is going to lead towards inflation. So even the people with the most permissive monetary policy imaginable would tell you that we're going to get inflation out of what just happened over the past year and we're going to continue to get inflation right yeah we didn't we didn't get more productive yeah we were way less productive and you know maybe that's a price we're willing to pay because and i mean i think in terms of especially when you're talking about the beginning of the pandemic a ton of people toss out of their jobs and

effectively having their livelihoods taken from them as a result of government regulations and lockdowns. Okay, yeah, we should compensate them, right? The way I always viewed that was the government shutting down your restaurant, that's a taking that you need to be compensated for, right? But that doesn't mean that that's a continuing thing. And I think like what the Democrats want to do, and it's one of the reasons Biden's so terrible, is they just want to like pretend that it's, you know, it's still pandemic world and we should just open the floodgates and spend another $10 trillion.

That's insane. Well, I think they realized that they could get away with it without people doing much. But we got some news in that front. You think this is the end? You think that they're going to start opening up the states and everything's going to – no, no, no. We're going the other direction. Oregon has announced they're reinstating their mask mandates. And we have this story from Axios.

Now, I know YouTube is very nitpicky on what you can or can't say about COVID for whatever reason. They just ban, they're ban happy. If I can't read Axios, I don't know what I can read. So new data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be a wake up call. A new preprint study that raises concerns about the mRNA vaccines effectiveness against Delta, particularly Pfizer's, has already grabbed the attention of top Biden administration officials. The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July when the Delta

variant was dominant. Quote, if that's not a wake up call, I don't know what is, a senior Biden official told Axios. Driving the news, the study conducted by Enfarence and the Mayo Clinic compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic health system over time from January to July. Overall, it found the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period. Pfizer's was 76%. Moderna's was 92% against hospitalization and Pfizer's 85. But the vaccine's effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July when the Delta variants prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%.

Moderna was 76% effective against the infection and Pfizer was only 42% effective. The study found similar results in other states. For example, in Florida, the risk of infection in July for people fully vaccinated with Moderna was about 60% lower than for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Although it is yet to be peer reviewed, the study raises serious questions about both vaccines' long-term effectiveness, particularly Pfizer's. Quote, based on the data that we have so far, it's a combination of both factors, says Venky Soundararajan, a lead author of the study. The Moderna vaccine is likely, very likely, more effective than the Pfizer vaccine in areas where Delta is the dominant strain. And the Pfizer vaccine appears to have a lower durability of effectiveness, 42%.

Now, we saw Israel, they made similar claims that a large portion of their of their the people in hospitals were fully vaccinated and the effectiveness is being reduced i'm not going to tell you what to do because i don't give medical advice you go talk to your doctor about your medical advice this is coming from the biden administration we're getting a statement from the biden administration we're getting the mayo clinic we're getting a study on this where do we go what do we do? They're going to bring lockdowns back, aren't they? Well, you've got to assume that the virus is going to mutate again.

It mutated into the Delta strain. And now I saw Lambda. Lambda. Epsilon. Yeah. And they were like, we'll have to go to the numbers after all the Greek letters are gone. But let me similar to what the flu does. It tends to mutate.

That's why they haven't had a virus that stops the thing. You can just from season to season help you reduce infection. And I think that's what we're seeing here. Whether or not you want to create a new vaccine for every strain every time, I don't know. We kind of got to rely on data for that. And I see so much of it. Well, I mean, I think the thing is we're headed, it's endemic. We're headed towards COVID as something that just is part of our life in the same way that the flu is part of our life, right? And it's part of something we deal with every year. I mean, there's a flu shot available, a new flu shot every year, right. That helps you out against the variants they think are flowing around and reduces the severity. That's where we're headed towards with COVID. Now, um, what does that mean for

your behavior? I think, you know, I'm seeing people like freaking out and lockdowns and mass. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, none of that. Cause like that, that's a pandemic measure. That's a, we're trying to eradicate it. That's we're trying to get it completely eliminated. And so, and we're doing a short term measure until we get to vaccines and, and another mechanism.

But now we have vaccines and vaccine technology. And so I think that's where we need to think we need to push this going, like fight against mandates and lockdowns and instead say, look, we need to embrace the idea that I don't think we should fight nearly as hard against like booster shots as we should against like continued mass mandates and lockdowns. Right. Because if it is endemic, then we've got to be like, OK, then this is like then this is finally like the flu. And we need to as a society treat it like the flu, maybe more severe. We have more severe. And that's kind of scary, actually. More communicable, I think, is really the flu. Maybe more severe. More severe, and that's kind of scary, actually. More communicable, I think,

is really the key. Yeah, because I guess the scary thing is if it becomes a seasonal thing. You lose your sense of smell, you lose your taste, you get fatigued. That's creepy, but we got this from NBC News. Check this out. FDA poised to okay third vaccine dose for

immunocompromised people. The move would be the first authorization of additional dose in the US. Boosters are coming. I mean, were there, really interesting question, were there tests on three doses or were there tests on the third dose improving?

Like, because if Pfizer, as they say, is only 42% at affecting adjunct infection after two doses, like, how much does a third improve things i don't know man it's just it just feels like we did a lot of things that didn't work and they keep just saying we'll just keep doing the same thing over and over again because they don't know what else to do right like they have to do something they feel like they can't do nothing and i mean especially given you know we blame the authorities but i mean it also starts with

a huge chunk of the population being absolute paranoiacs about it at a point. I mean, this is just something I'm doing. Did you guys hear that? People continue to blindly trust the authority on this, right? We talked about this last time at first. It was two weeks to slow the spread. It was we need to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed. And then it was we have to make sure there are no new cases.

And then we have to wait for there to be a vaccine. No, no, there is a vaccine, but it's not working. We have to lock down again. You missed one part of that. It was first it was for there to be a vaccine. No, no, there is a vaccine, but it's not working. We have to lock down again. You missed one part of that. First it was 15 days to slow the spread. Then Cuomo killed 15,000 people. Oh, that's right. Then it was, okay, we've got to stay locked down a little bit longer. The 15 days thing was kind of like, they're like, hey, we have a

bug bombing service coming to your house. You need to vacate for two weeks. We're going to make sure we kill the bugs. And then you're like, okay. And you leave your house. You give it all up. You wait. After two weeks, they're like, yeah, we didn't get all the bugs uh we don't know if it's working right it's a new bug now yeah different bugs same chemical doesn't seem to work exactly right but we're gonna keep doing it and keep and i was like i need the access to my house dude i might you guys might steal that right cartoonian because you guys thank you in germany they're advising

people to get a third shot because a nurse was accused of giving people saline instead of the vaccine. What? Yeah, and they said they didn't know why she did it, but that she had posted anti-vax stuff or vaccine skepticism online. Think about how insane that is in the other direction. Like, certainly we can talk about mandates and lockdowns being bad. It's extreme. But how extreme is it?

If someone goes to the doctor, the doctor recommends them medication. They say, thank you, doc. I will agree to this medication. And the nurse goes, I ain't giving them that. And secretly gives them something else. Is this the problem with rushing stuff out? It creates a distrust. If they die, man too.

Like crime. You need to go to jail for a long time for that. You don't get to deceive someone into getting... I remember there was a law and order about this. It was just saline, which is harmless. That sounds criminal. And these were elderly people, too. Yeah.

Criminal, dude. You inject me with something I didn't ask for? Oh, heck yeah. Man. And you deceive me into thinking it was the thing that would protect me from the disease I need protection from, and then I go ahead and die from that disease because I was unprotected? Like, manslaughter. It's all about people just having informed consent and making the choices that's what's right for them

to think that this nurse would decide, I don't care what you think. I don't care what you've read. I don't care what the doctor said. That's insane to me, man. Right to jail. Right away. Did they have any way to track which particular patient

she gave saline to or their records? No, I think they were saying it was like several thousand. Whoa. Busy girl. Maybe several thousand. I could be wrong. Was she incarcerated at the to? Are there records? No, I think they were saying it was like several thousand. Whoa! Maybe several thousand. Is she incarcerated at the moment? What is the situation? I think the article was Reuters. They said they weren't sure if she had been arrested or charged, but wow, dude.

Maybe she took a trip to Israel, and that's why the vaccines have been less effective. This is the opposite of informed consent. And that's what I'm all about. You go to your doctor, your doctor says, here's the news. You say, you ask them questions. Here's a story I saw. What do you think?

And then they're honest with you. They show you the studies. They explain to you in great detail. And you are informed. If someone was to switch out your medicine for anything, that is not informed consent. That is them. That's the opposite. It's just crazy, man.

People are losing it. I'll put it that way. I just looked this story up and she injected 8,600 people. So who knows how responsible she is for possible deaths. That's messed up. Holy cow. Did you guys,

this is really interesting. You guys follow Brett Weinstein? Yeah. He's been talking about? I've seen a little bit of it. I wouldn't say I've been following it. He tweeted out one of these doctors who said, heads up, the frontline coalition of doctors, whatever, these are the people who are been talking about? I've seen a little bit of it. I wouldn't say I've been following it. He tweeted out one of these doctors who said, heads up, the frontline coalition of doctors,

whatever, these are the people who are always talking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and stuff like that, said it's not working. They said that their treatment is not working on people with the Delta variant. And a bunch of people responded saying like, it never did work. A lot of studies contradict this. And that's why people were critical of you. But I think it's really interesting. Two things. One, they were and that's why people are critical of you. But I think it's really interesting. Two things. One, they were saying that this one doctor said they've experienced people with the Delta variant in the ICU, and their standard treatment protocol didn't work. Interestingly as well, their standard treatment protocol calls for wearing masks.

So even the people who are being censored because they're talking about these other treatments are telling people to wear masks. That I find interesting. Like, who are the people saying not to wear masks when it comes to potential sickness? You know what I mean? Like, it's interesting to me. I don't know. It's a weird situation. I mean, I've said for a long time that I hope one of the things that comes out of all this is that, you know, it is now a social norm that if you're coughing in public, you should be wearing a mask, right? Like, if you're knowingly sick, like, stay home. And if you are going to go out, wear a damn mask and don't try and reduce the amount you spread to everybody else. That's the other crazy thing, too. Like, when I see people walk, when I go outside and I see someone with a mask, I'm like, I don't know, whatever.

Right. Why would I? I don't care. I don't think about that stuff. People smack talk me all the time on the internet. I don't care. I ignore think about that stuff people smack talk me all the time I don't care I ignore it I'm doing my thing

you know and I think if I see somebody outside wearing a mask you know what if they're sick good what if it's in a movie

what if the characters in TV shows and movies start having masks on dude so I rewatched The Big Short you guys remember that movie I don't think I ever saw it

one of the characters one of the characters Brad Pitt character, it's like the big thing is he's kind of a weird guy, very eccentric, and he comes to the airport and he's wearing an N95 and using hand sanitizer, and it's like that's the model of his eccentricity. Wow.

And now it's like everyone does that. Everyone turned into the weird eccentric hypochondriac. This is the interesting thing. Seeing the frontline coalition, whatever these doctors who have been talking about ivermectin, when they come out and they say, like, hey, Delta variant, this stuff's not working, I'm like, there's a vaccine. You know what I mean? Like, would they support that?

It seems like they're just doing studies on what they've been doing, which is a very intelligent and ethical thing to do as a scientist, as a doctor. Maybe they haven't looked into the other stuff yet, but they're just kind of showing the flaws in how it's changing. The Delta variant's different than the other strain. Yeah, but should they then be like, our new protocol includes getting a vaccine and wearing a mask or whatever, which is funny because then it goes right back to the CDC and Fauci. It's so weird to fight against the vaccines because you figure, I mean, I remember so

many of the same people who were like, oh, this isn't a big deal. And oh, we should head for herd immunity were then the ones who are the biggest vaccine skeptics. And that was always very strange to me because I felt like the best, the best argument against all the sort of social distancing public health type measures was a vaccine that would help protect you so that Trump was responsible for Operation Warp Speed. I also think people had a suspicion that it didn't matter how many people got vaccinated. There was going to be some push to continue the lockdowns. This is the problem I have. Look, I keep saying informed consent.

I don't give medical advice. Go talk to a medical professional. But when the story after story after story comes out about some guy being like, oh, no, I'm dying. If only I got the vaccine or that woman in Alabama where she was like, I take their hand and they say, please give me the vaccine. I say, I'm sorry. It's too late. I'm like, dude, come on.

Do they do stories about morbidly obese people having a heart attack? Never. Or like smokers having lung. I mean, I guess they did that with smokers having lung cancer. Yeah. I think about it. A lot. But they certainly don't do it with overweight people and obese people.

They should. Well, maybe they shouldn't do it with overweight people and obese people. They should. Well, maybe they shouldn't. It's propaganda at the very least. Yeah, I think there should be – you want to do a great reset? Let's have a great reset of people's mental health, their physical health, their personal responsibility. So then they'd watch less CNN. That would be the aboga plant if you want to do that.

You ever study that thing? This is an African psychoactive plant that makes people – just destroys addiction. addiction you take it you come out of it with no addiction it's amazing but it's like one of the most visceral you know grotesque experiences you can have i've heard that sounds terrible don't get it other than that how are you gonna how are you gonna great reset people's eating habits well i think just look it's in the words of frederick douglas i believe it's easier to build strong men than repair broken ones i think it more or less comes down to educating the next generation i don't think it's a matter of anything else than that you try to help build virtue in the

population which is uh already there but most of your hope is in educating the young my concern is that kids mimic their parents and if the parents unwilling to change their diet the kid may be eating healthy at home because he's forced to, but when they leave the house, they're going to start mimicking what they knew. Yeah, I mean, it's possible. So you're saying the end is nigh? I'm saying Iboga is not the end of the world. No, the end is just beginning. So it's a long time, my friends.

You know what, man? It feels like a slow motion collapse. How did I describe before? Like it's a giant Joe Biden and the building falls down and then he grabs it and he can't hold it up. Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. That's a bad way to put it. Joe Biden walks up to the building like a Godzilla Joe Biden, punches a hole in the foundation and then starts falling and he catches it and he's slowly easing it down to the ground.

Yeah. It's a revolution. I think the Spanish term revolute, is that what it is? Means to turn forward. To return forward. It's actually to return forward which is like a slow

falling forward. Of course it's then going to circle and spiral and continue. I've had it up to here with people owning things. Me too. I think if they owned nothing, they'd be happy. Well, that's the thing. You don't. I've been thinking this a lot.

People are like, I own this land. And then you're like, yeah, like if an alien came down there, like, okay, dude. And they like smashed the pulpy body up against the wall. Like, yeah, no one owns anything. You don't even own your body. Hold on. What is ownership? What does that mean?

Ian, are you saying that because an alien can steal something from me? Welcome to property law. Because someone with a gun is going to enforce it? Because an alien can steal something from me, I don't own it. Property is a bundle of sticks. This is my lunch money. If an alien comes down and takes it, it is still my lunch money. They've just stolen it.

I understand thievery. Maybe that's why we've created ownership is because of the tendency towards thievery. Ian, so much of your arguments are semantic. Yeah, this is a bit semantic. It seems like at some point you went on a trip where your brain split words from meaning. That's what society is. I'm like the microcosm of what society is experiencing right now. Ownership is just a concept.

It's a human societal concept that something is within your responsibility and your freedom to manipulate. It's a legal construct about a human relationship humans relationship to property vis-a-vis other humans the right to exclude right like this is you're you're actually hitting on some very fundamental questions in property law yeah right like like what no you know more about law so you keep going i'm just saying my position honestly is like a catholic and a realist. I do think property is a legitimate real concept. I don't just think it's a social construct. I believe there is a legitimate injustice done when something's stolen from one

and it's not just socially constructed. Right. Well, I mean, well, it will kind of, one of the ways to think about it is, um,

it actually to kind of flip that around a little bit, you know, people will say when they're like looting, Oh, looting isn't that bad. It's just property. It's like, no property is about someone's relationship to physical things.

And so it actually, you actually are injuring that social construct, if you will, but like that relationship. And so you are injuring the person. Yeah, exactly. And so that's, I think, you know, you can concede the sort of like social constructedness of property and still realize that it's actually more important. Well, it's extremely important. More important to protect because of it. So, Ian, your view of ownership is limited in that you only view it from this one perspective. Ownership isn't about your rights to something.

It's about your responsibilities to something. So you mentioned owning land. If the aliens came, they'd be like, you don't own this land. What if the aliens came to Earth and there was one guy who dumped a metric ton of human feces all over this land? They'd be like, who's responsible for this? And they'd be like, it's his land. He did it. Get it?

Here's the funny thing. Your alien hypothetical, that's actually a hypothetical from the very earliest part of our American property law. Really? What? Not quite the same one, but you'll understand it once I explain it. So there's a case called Johnson v. McIntosh. And if you're a law student in 1L, it's usually the first property case you go to. And it's a John Marshall case, right?

The first major. I don't know if he was the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, but he was like the most important in the early days. And the basic thesis of the case was there were two guys who had a competing claim to land. And one guy's kind of title, chain of title, ran through Indians who had granted it, and another's chain of title ran through, like, post the Indian conquest and somebody else going there. And Marshall's like, the guy who had it after the Indian, whose chain of title doesn't involve the Indian transfer, wins. Why? Because we conquered them, and there's no other good reason why.

That's just it. We conquered them, and that's why. So it's like when you say the aliens came in and just took over, it probably kind of felt like the aliens came in and took over when colonists showed up and disturbed the Indian land claims. So when the alien comes here and says you don't own it, then it's true, the aliens own it. So when the alien comes here and says you don't own it, then it's true. The aliens own it.

Right. Like it's by virtue of having guns. Right. It's like property claims are ultimately rooted in, in, in sovereignty, I think. Right. Like, you know, I mean, we have a moral feeling of injustice when our property claims are violated no matter what, but in terms of like how courts are ultimately going to adjudicate it, they're going to rely on sort of under the existing under the continuation of whatever sovereignty exists

and if that sovereignty is disturbed then guess what that sovereignty is disturbed civil society doesn't function without property rights because an individual will work eight hours to secure food for himself and say i have a right to this food as i have done the work to procure it and then someone will walk up and say but you don't actually own anything and take it from them and then the person who does the work dies and the person who doesn't work dies too. How did the Native Americans who didn't own the land do that? Discuss and take care of it if one Native wanted... Which Native Americans?

Yeah, there's so many tribes. So different tribes would handle it differently. If one of them decided to take the food, more food than they needed, would they just kill the person? Would they throw them out of the tribe? You're acting like every single Native American was the same group. It's a general question.

I got more fascinating anecdotes if you want to run this one. I have a question. I would love to hear them. I actually have a question, though. So you had Aztecs who had buildings and societies. You had Mayans. You had Incans. And then you had, I don't know, the Iroquois or whatever.

Apache, whatever. Yeah, Apache. They had completely different legal structures. Yeah, Native Americans have vague terms. It would be like, how did Europeans determine what they owned? It's like, what do you mean Europeans? Spain and France have different laws. Well, assuming a tribe that didn't own, they didn't have ownership laws.

How does random nomadic tribe handle property law? I don't know. That's why I asked the question. Will does know. I don't know exactly, but they all have different norms. Because debt is really old. This is a great book you should read by the recently deceased David Graeber, Debt, the First 5,000 Years.

And it talks about how debt preexisted barter and that it's a much more natural thing. Because debt presupposes the continuation of a relationship. You owe me. I have to, in the future, repay you. Whereas barter is like saying our relationship can end right now because we are equal and so we can depart so it's only something that sort of evolved between like hostile tribes that occasionally need to exchange things but in terms of your interpersonal relationship with people that are

all forever there was always debt and so sometimes that's official and like marked down but other times that's something like they just kind of it's sort of socially understood and you kind of figured out and who's who, you know, it's vague and whoever knows. But so one really funny example, I think, I think it's the Easter Islanders. Don't quote me on that.

Cause I don't know, but they had a system where it's like, it's socially terrible. If you have to turn down somebody's request for something from you, right? Like there's just, if somebody makes a request of you, if you're,

if you can accede to it and give them what they need, you have to, and it's really rude not to. And the only check on that is that eventually if you try to exploit the system and request enough from people, they'll just kill you because you're such an asshole and it's exploited it so much. They're finally like, after the 20th request where you try and exploit the system, they kill you. Or just ask right back. Right. So that's how one particular tribe handled property rights in their area.

Everything belongs to everybody. But if you're too much of an asshole, we just kill you. But it's a bunch of different tribes at a bunch of different things. Some groups, like barbarian hordes or whatever, you can talk about that. And like Asia, they just take whatever they wanted from whoever they wanted and then just exploit it. It seems like BlackRock is exploiting it right now, that people that are these big multinational corporations that are being subsidized by governments to buy property away from small business owners and people that can't afford it

are exploiting the property ownership and the debt system. Yeah, it's fascism. So how are we going to fix that? How are we going to alter the system so that it can't be exploited? Raise kids with better values. Definitely. Certainly don't do stupid stuff like eviction moratoriums again.

That's, I mean, because like to me, eviction moratoriums mean everybody, BlackRock, is going to own everything. Exactly. Because you can't be a small landlord. It's one of those,

usually, I mean, that was one of those things that like a middle class way of building wealth would be to like own a house and own rental properties. You could invest in won

at this point. What is won? Well, no, it's interesting because... Korean currency? Chinese. Chinese is the... Is China... Oh, the yuan, yeah.

Yuan, yeah, yeah. The W-O-N, won. It's probably named after the empire. Going to your point on the eviction moratoriums, there are so many of these left-wing economic policies that at a surface level seem to be good for the poor and working class, but are actually just good for consolidating power among small corporate entities, or large corporate entities, but a small number of people.

So one example, corporate enemies. Was that a slip? But one example would be like Walmart. There were instances of Walmart lobbying for minimum wage increases in certain areas because their competitors could not handle a minimum wage increase, and they could. So it would put mom and pop shops out of business. Right. Yeah, we see, you know, like Starbucks will open a Starbucks next to a mom and pop shop

and then lower their prices to ridiculous below-cost numbers because they're subsidized. The mom and pop shop collapses, and then, you know, Starbucks takes over. Takes over the area, squeezes them out. Yep. Yeah, it's not good. We can't function that way. I don't know how you solve problems like this. Right, because as soon as you get the government involved in telling a company what it can and can't charge,

people freak out and call it fascism or socialism. I'll tell you what one of the problems is. I think the easiest way to identify one of our biggest political problems is the leftist argument that for every one homeless person, there are 10 empty homes. Then they say homelessness is a choice our society makes because these are like – imagine you go to a little kid who has never actually owned a house, repaired a house, remodeled a house, dealt with utilities or plumbing and sewage pipe leaks. They're just like – it's so dumb. Like if there's a house, just like put a homeless person in it. And that's a bunch of leftist activism. And then actually having worked with homeless shelters, going to them and explaining someone has to do work to maintain the house. The lawn has to be mowed. The utilities have to be regularly maintained. Someone has to make sure the house. The lawn has to be mowed. The utilities have to be regularly maintained.

Someone has to make sure the house doesn't burn down. Who's going to do all of that work? How do you just put someone in a house? Now, when you have empty investment properties, I'm not a big fan of people just buying up houses, driving up prices, and then no one uses them. I want people to use houses. But when no one's in it, nothing's happening. You'll get like a caretaker once a month to go in and just make sure everything's fine. So there's no dilapidation. There's no collapse. However, they need to make sure that the utility pipes don't burst and fires don't start yeah but you put a person who's not responsible for their lives to a certain degree in a house and then the house starts falling apart and then what the house catches fire and burns other people's houses down it just doesn't make sense

and if we have a society where people just can only come up with these most simplistic and surface-level solutions that aren't actually solutions, that's what we're getting policy-wise. There's a bunch of starving people. I know. Let's feed them. Then what do you do tomorrow? Feed them again. Then what do you do tomorrow? We'll just keep feeding them.

It's like they're not solving the problem. Raise the voting age to 30,000. 30,000. No, I actually, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't disagree. There's an argument to be made for that because when the voting age, I mean, previously the voting age was what, 21 and early in our country's history. I mean, you were out on your own paying your way by the time you were 16 or so. So once you got to 21, you had multiple years of real world experience caring for yourself and possibly even a family, in fact, likely a family by the time you're 21. And so you, A, had a vested stake in society and B, quite a good amount of experience at

that point. Now, 18 year olds vote who have never lived on their own, have never held on a job, certainly aren't raising families in the vast majority of circumstances. And if they are, well, yeah, yeah. Generally speaking, I mean, no, I should say it's good that they keep the kid, though, and don't kill it. But I'll say this. It's unbelievably bizarre that there are people who actually want to push the voting age down to 16, that this is something that was even being discussed.

Right, well, I mean, it's cynical, and it's just pure political. Who wants uninformed voters? Right, who wants uninformed voters? Democrats do. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, I'm also somewhat cynical. Like, I realize that most of these schemes are designed to increase the number of Democrat voters, so I'm perfectly happy

to entertain schemes that will increase the number of Republican voters or make Republicans more dominant. Do you think we should have a maximum voting age? No. No. Older people vote Republican. Why would I want to exclude my own voters? I think people that are very old are out of touch with how society works, especially when you look at

cryptocurrency law. Maybe society is working so great you look at cryptocurrency law. Maybe that's true. Maybe society is working so great and older people have wisdom. Maybe they have a deeper wisdom. That's a big maybe. They're definitely out of touch with the way technology functions. Sure, but a lot of voters are. And they're also out of touch with everything else, too.

Someone being out of touch with technology. Sorry, just let me interject because I have worked with older people. Someone being out of touch with technology does not make them less wise, less interesting. It does not give them less interesting stories. I think that older people should have, continue to have a say in our community as long as they're able to. I learned so much from my dad. It's amazing. And it's funny when I talk about, because he was around during, for example, the civil rights debate. He was around and was cognizant, remembers the arguments people were making. And so it's funny when he hears, you know, people saying, well, they're a private company.

Facebook and Twitter are private companies. They can do what they want. And he's like, that sounds a lot like the arguments people made about the restaurants. Freedom of association, First Amendment rights. You know, we think it's ridiculous now, but that's a legit argument that the Goldwater types were making in the 1960s. The Civil Rights Act was a violation of the First Amendment. I think I might have a solution.

What if we took maybe like a light, some kind of like light beacon, and we installed it into people's hands? And then what happens is as they start nearing 30, it changes color. And then right around the time they're 30 starts flashing red so we know they're 30 they're expired and then you know pluck them and put them in a voting booth no no no then they get they get purged from society and and you know i i'm sure there could be a problem where like someone would try and defy the system and realizing their own mortality try and flee and then escape and uh but you know but ultimately i think you know that is that the island?

Logan's Run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. They have the things in their hands and the light turns red and it's like, you're 30, so they're going to kill you now or whatever. Can people that are suffering from dementia,

Alzheimer's, vote? Yes. Can people that are mentally afflicted and other... Yes, yes. They can vote. So people can be... Can someone that's on a machine considered

in vegetative state? No. They're not legally allowed to vote? How would they? I don't know, but are they legally allowed? You have to, it has to be, there has to be a volitional act, I would assume. And so, and so I'll clarify. But demented people If you are, if you are diagnosed One of them is president. If you are

I didn't say that. Yes, they can vote, bro. One of them is literally running the country. Yes. i wouldn't say he's running the country yeah fair enough but he's sitting in the chair running the country oh man what were you saying if somebody is like diagnosed demented they're not gonna vote but they can legally right i i don't know about that and they can vote for whatever someone tells them what i'm what i mean is if somebody is in their house and they're clearly mentally unwell and they get a mail-in ballot they're going to send it in it's going to count yeah so you can make whatever laws you want there are a lot of people who are crazy who are

roaming the streets and living lives right for example those people who are wearing like multiple masks and like doing yeah it was never about mental wellness, letting people vote, right? It was about ownership of land. I think Ian makes a great point. If we were to maybe pass a law saying legitimately if you have a mental illness, you can't vote, all the Democrats would be gone. Yeah. No, no, no. Hold on.

I'm not joking. By the data, they're much more mentally ill, more likely to have mental health issues. Substantially higher to be diagnosed with mental health issues. The further left you go. They would probably say we're more likely to admit it and seek treatment. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Listen.

I'll tell you what. Come on. But we all know. You want to know one of the craziest things ever? I was in California. I was on Venice Beach, and there was a guy, and they do these things where they want people to get their weed cards. And this dude was just like, yo, he's like, hey, man, you get your weed card yet? And I was like, I don't need or want one.

And he's like, oh, you got to get your medical card, man. How do you know? I mean, have you talked to a doctor? And I was like, I have nothing to talk to a doctor about. He's like, oh, well, you skateboard? I was like, yeah. And he's like, your knees hurt? And I was like, sometimes.

Oh, man, you got to get a weed card. Here's the crazy thing. It's because they were trying to sell medicinal marijuana, right? If you get that card, you can't legally own guns anymore. So these kids... That's right. Because then you're... It's that way in Maryland. You fill out the form saying that you do drugs.

Imagine some young kid who doesn't know sees the guy say, five bucks, weed card. He goes, okay, boom, you lose your Second Amendment rights. Wow. That's creepy stuff. Mental illness is a dangerous term. Right. Taking away people's rights by claiming they're unwell or whatever.

But anyway, it is true statistically that the further left you go, the higher rates of mental illness they see. I would imagine extremes in any direction. I mean, also a left-wing mentality doesn't encourage virtuous or healthy living at all. Can you define that?

Yeah, so like taking pride in your work, attempting to contribute to society best you can, caring for your family, having a strong faith in God, loving your neighbors. I mean, these are the things that have made people, you won't quite say happy, but have given their lives meaning for millennia. And we're just told that these are vestiges from a time before we had a deep understanding of the world and now we can discard it all and reform man into whatever it is the current left-wing orthodoxy says he should be i see well they're constantly pushing us forward to more edgy and interesting things if you will they're progressing us they haven't really told

us what they're progressing us toward but they are in in fact progressing us. And that means that we can't do things the old boring way. That means the nuclear family is passe. That's not really interesting to be a parent that you would rather be a feminist. And if you're a woman, go work in an office, just like a man, be a second rate man. That's great. Right. It's new. It's different. We don't like the old way of doing things. We just want something new. You know, and can I just mention this in case my answer didn't suffice? There's one point I want to throw in here in case I wasn't as clear as I could have been or in case this bears stating what I meant. Humans have historically, generally, what is normal and good for a man is to,

in most cases, get married, raise a family, care for his wife and children, right? And now our society has completely subverted gender roles, not just in terms of the transgender question, but also the family structure of the home, the headship of the man as the father and head of the household. And of course, we have an economy which doesn't support a single family income the way it used to. But I think more or less left-wing people are far more likely to voluntarily embrace

the kind of lifestyle which rejects family life. And I think that's really bad for mental health. The question is, will it lead to the destruction of our society and civilization or not, right? So there's constant arguments about... Well, what? So conservatives are famous for saying what? Stop, right? So there's constant arguments about it. Well, what? So conservatives are famous for saying what? Stop, right?

Is that the saying? What's the saying? That's Buckley. Buckley. That's the saying of the history yelling stop. Well, so you have a big argument right now in the culture war, and it's progressive versus traditional. And the right tends to be more traditional. The left tends to be more traditional. The left tends to be more progressive. The problem I see right now is the left is like – they're so far left in terms of the idea of progress that they're falling off the cliff.

And they're like – it's like slow down, guys. This is crazy. But the question I suppose is for what? For both sides, for progressives and for conservatives. Like state your case. For what? Everything you just said, what's the end goal of that? What is the outcome of that?

I mean, family is built atop the family, so we need a strong family unit. So the end goal is just for people to have families for the sake of having families? Well, no. I mean, having a family is a good thing. And I think that having a family is, in some ways, its own justification. I would give other more robust theological reasons, but family is good and people should have them. Human flourishing, right? Yeah, exactly.

Creating the next generation. Is what you're proposing going to lead to a better, healthier society? Absolutely, yes. That's the ultimate question. I think that's Burke, isn't it? I forget exactly who said human flourishing is the goal. I think it was Burke. It might have been Russell Kirk or somebody. I think human

success and longevity is the goal. I think what we see from the left doesn't give us that. I don't think the right has all the answers. I think we need see from the left doesn't give us that. I don't think the right has all the answers. I think we need some reforms across the board in terms of this country. But you end up with a modern establishment left that is, I'll tell you this, the Democrats, they're not progressives as

a whole. They are some kind of weird, twisted power structure of neocorporate fascist something or other. The progressives are... Sorry, I just wanted to bring up how like cory booker went up got up and made fun of black lives matter and said how dare anybody suggest we would defund the police and i just literally black lives matter on the twitter account and like lit them up no one in the senate supports our revolutionary movement you're like cue the curb your enthusiasm

theme right that was hilarious but the progressives propose insane things that will only tear down and destroy not not completely i'll put it this way here's what i see right now you have progresses on the left and it's like a tendency versus the rule right exceptions versus the rule the left has uh the rule on the left is that they're going to pose things that make very little sense in the long run notably like we want universal health care and also stop fat shaming it's like okay listen if you want everybody to pay for health care but you're also saying no personal responsibility in your health care then you're going to have a system collapse the right i think for now it's it's inverted it's more so the the rule that conservatives say hey these things have worked and they will work and

it's the exception when they propose things that are bad and and don't right you see what i'm saying that's that's that's what i'm seeing right now is establishment Democrats are, give me corporate power, I don't care about anything else. Progressives are, just put homeless people in homes, problem solved. And then conservatives are like, well, here, this was working, let's keep doing that. And I'm like, that actually makes sense for now. Except it's not working. If you look at it economically, it's not working.

To sit still and watch this train head towards the cliff is not the way to go. But that's not what they're saying. Well, actually, you could put it better because you're actually conservative. Like what we're trying to accomplish with? With the economy, right? So like Ian's argument is you're saying stop the economy now even though it's not working. Specifically that Republicans in Congress are doing that, not you necessarily. They're saying stop the economy?

No, they're just saying don't change it. You don't really need to do too much they're kind of hands off well i mean that's sort of like a like a i guess a lindy type argument right like the longer things last the more likely they are to be effective and certain you know and good and you know evolutionarily sound um but i mean in general i guess the conservative approach is sort of prudence, right? So there's prudence is a big part of it, you know, like don't do things you don't know about. Tradition has its own value. Yes.

Like Chesterton's fence. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Oh, absolutely. Okay, you know Chesterton's fence. What's that? It's just a really simple concept, right? Chesterton had some great quote. He's like, if you don't understand why a fence was put up,

then don't take it down. Yes. Right? Which seems pretty straightforward. Right. Like somebody put up the fence for a reason. Can I? If you can't.

I think they know why all the fences are put up. It was to oppress somebody. That's right. It's for power. We have a blender downstairs. Oh, my. Okay? And the blender is, you've got the actual machine that you plug in the wall.

You've got the pitcher, the lid, and the blade. And for some reason, people take each part and put it in a different part of the house. Neurotic. Why? If you don't know what it is, don't move it. Look, at the time, I thought it was funny at the time. Well seen. Good work.

So you're going to get so mad about it on my podcast. The blender blade was with the crock pot in the Lazy Susan because someone saw it and said, I don't know what it is. I'll put it down here. The blender blade was with the crock pot in the Lazy Susan. That's a mess. Because someone saw it and said, I don't know what it is. I'll put it down here. The pitcher was like in the pantry. The actual blender base was sitting there, but then I couldn't find the lid anywhere. Because someone saw the lid and said, I don't know what this goes to, so I'll move it.

It's the beginnings of a society. It's the chaos of bringing a bunch of people together without an ordered law, lawyered system in place. If you don't know what it is, don't touch it. Well, this is what I get for trying to help. There's a, there's a,

there's a purple quivering mass vibrating on the ground. I'm going to touch it. No, no, don't touch it. What's going on with this? How am I going to know what it is if I don't taste it? I mean,

there we go. The beginning of society. Yeah. We think, what are you guys doing around here it's a wild ride well you guys know what star jelly is no no i almost don't want so we went outside like a couple days ago and there was i noticed something on the ground that looked like slush it's 90 degrees outside it looked like slush no joke it looked like in every possible way a chunk of like slushy ice and there was water pooling around it and i was like why is there ice on the ground where did this come from i'm looking

around and then i walked over and then like i i poked and it was goo it was a weird i saw that but but this wasn't it there was no animals that had moved by like nothing it was our walkway where we're constantly going around and at some point, somehow, it appeared there and we didn't know why. And I guess there's something called star jelly that people think it comes from meteorites or something. So it was there and it was in a Ziploc bag and Andreas was

telling me about it. And my default rule is just never believe anything that Andreas says ever. Yeah, good rule. I don't know Andreas that well, but I do know to fact check everything he knows the kind of person we love Andreas

but it's in this little plastic bag and he's like it fell from the clouds dude I was like you bought silly putty on the ground but now Tim is saying he saw a similar thing. I'm not saying it was star jelly.

I think that it was. I'm looking at pictures of it. Is it this white gooey kind of star jelly? If you don't know what it is, don't touch it. Or eat it. I'll tell you a funny story. So my dad was a firefighter, and he told me this story about how one day they get a call for like a tanker spill or something and the uh like one of the one of the i guess fire department employees pulls up in their vehicle and drives through a large puddle with tape around it because

they didn't know or care what it was it was acetone oh no right dissolves plastic yeah it's a corrosive oh my gosh and so they were like why would you do this like i don't know what's going on it's like well maybe you should stop because there's fire trucks here and be like is something happening what's going i guess not i heard so i heard a similar story my sister told me when i was a kid and reflecting upon it it sounds like it could be completely made up but um i'm gonna tell it anyway because it's interesting but apparently there were some kids like just driving into piles of leaves in our area because they thought it was fun. And then I guess there was a homeless dude sleeping in one of the piles.

Oh, yeah, dude. There was a story in Illinois where a kid was in the alley, and he was in a box. He took a box, and he went inside it, and then a car drove through the alley and ran it over to kill our kid. And so the driver, he got arrested and charged. I think it was negligent homicide or something because they were like, don't run over boxes. Don't run over a random thing. If you don't know what's in a random thing, don't destroy it. Yeah.

My dad said that too. He said he hit. Seemed straightforward. My dad said he hit a plastic bag that was lying on the road. He's like, there was like a brick in that thing. I almost flattened my tire. I was like, you got to be careful. When you see a box, the first thing you do, again, you need to know what it is.

The first thing you do is you taste it. You jump up and down on it. It tastes like cardboard. This is Star Jelly may be originating from the glands and the oviducts of frogs and toads. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. But this was a huge pile. A lot of frogs. And it was our walkway by the door.

There was no frogs anywhere near. We were jumping on the trampoline. Anyway, Super Chats. Yeah, we're late. Ladies and gentlemen, smash that like button. You know, this is, we introed as Shimcast. This is Shimcast. Thank you for your Super Chats. And Seamus didn't tell anybody to smash that like button. You know, this is, we introed as Shimcast. This is Shimcast. Thank you for your super chats.

And Seamus didn't tell anybody to smash the like button. I did. I said specifically smash the like button, subscribe, send in super chats. This is our debut Shimcast. Of course. You did not say that. No, you didn't. I can't lie.

I won't lie to you on my own podcast, but I will tell you this. We are crushing it with the likes right now sick look at this we're up to almost 7 000 likes ladies and gentlemen let's get shimcast irl up to 10 000 likes for this episode ever the most liked episode of shimcast we're gonna do it tonight i think you'd need like 50 or 60 000 to be honest so you're acknowledging all the previously high liked episodes were shimcast. No, I'm saying shimcast will never... 10,000 likes, you heard it here. We're getting 10,000 likes

And this shimcast episode won't be our most liked, But we'll give it a shot. Let's read these superchats. We got... Ethan Simon says, Tim, it's not just inflation, it's immigration too. Immigration increases The population of the consumer base. More people, more demand. More demand, higher prices. That's a really good point. Especially when we're talking about the slow motion collapse of this country. Not only

are Biden's policies driving up gas prices and consumer prices, he also brought in 1.2 million illegal immigrants this year. I'll tell you this, and I always stress this. I love me immigration. I think we're lucky when we get immigrants coming to this country because the smart and talented people and the hard workers come from other countries, but it's got to be a legal process we can't just be like wander through the desert for 90 miles because then people die yes well and also on top of it i've said this in the past it is such ridiculous framing to call somebody anti-immigration or anti-immigrant if they're against the legal immigration the entire point is we want an apparatus set up so that we know who's coming into the country because you can't just literally let

anyone and everyone in at all times. But if you say that, you're some kind of bigoted neo-Nazi who is covertly motivated by a hatred towards Hispanic people. That's the only reason you could think there would be any point in vetting people before coming into our country. The media is sort of... No one in the world is dangerous. They've framed it like they're refugees a lot of this time,

and I think people have kind of subconsciously believed that they're refugees fleeing here. That's a big problem. The Cubans are the refugees. I want to mention this, too. Yes, absolutely they are. I want to mention this, too, because I mentioned some immigrants being dangerous. It's not even about dangerous, either.

Obviously, every nation has a right to regulate the number of people entering the country if it starts to impact the standard of living for the average person. And a duty, not just a right, a duty. A duty, amen. Yes. All right. Vanessa Stuller says, love it. Shimcast, he who wears the suit that's right we

got to put the blazer back on the reason the reason tim started reading the super chats and talking about how this was actually uh some some other podcast is because i wasn't wearing the blazer so it's back on gothic extravaganza says shamus looks good in a suit now if only he'd shave that scruff off of his face i need more look like a proper elder in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. First of all, the most true church. Why would I? What?

Are you kidding me? He's baiting me. That's what they said. He's baiting me. You know, the one true holy Catholic apostolic church. I'm just Roman Catholic. That is the one true church.

And let me tell you, to this super chatter, it's, first of all, the scruff's not going anywhere. All right? I'm a disheveled cartoonist. That's the whole thing.

I don't want people to, like, think I clean up nice or anything. This is important. Bryce Wilson says, my wife works at an Amazon warehouse in Arizona. She was just told today that all workers have to use gender-neutral pronouns at her building. Is there anything she can do to push back? No. And she shouldn't push back. She should accept using gender-neutral pronouns.

I prefer the word floorboat. Yeah, exactly. That's Tim. I thought you were Z. No, no, no, no, no, no. So floorboat is the word we use when we don't want to accidentally misgender somebody. Because if you go to a conservative and you're not sure and you try to use non-traditional pronouns, you could offend them.

But if you go to a leftist and use traditional pronouns, you could offend them. What's the one neutral way to do it? Remove yourself from the system entirely and say, Florbo is completely gender neutral. And I'm doing it to make sure I never disrespect anybody. But I mean, if someone is completely wrong, I'm fine with them being offended if I say something that's right. Like, you're a he, and that person's a he, and I'm not going to be gender neutral. This person's in a workplace, and the company says you must use gender neutral pronouns, but you don't know which pronoun somebody wants or if they're comfortable.

So just say floor bow. Perfect. Because if they're like, what does that mean? It's just a gender neutral pronoun for everybody. And then there you go. Problem solved. Will, as a lawyer, what is the legal precedent for this? There is.

I mean, there's a bizarre interpretation of the Civil Rights Act, I believe it was. The best kind of interpretation. Or the Equal Protection Act, I think. Or the Equal Rights, I forget. I'm not really, really up on my gender law. That's pretty messed up. Yeah, that's not right.

Do better. All right, next. I tried to say this yesterday. I said that we just don't give Caitlyn Jenner enough credit for being the first woman to win the men's decathlon. I know. It's true. She just doesn't get enough credit. It's really impressive. That's because he's a man.

Whoa. Whoa. Let's read. Donald Dixon says, Tim, I can't find a way to join by using my debit card. Is that not an option? Sick of YouTube and want to be a member. All of you are awesome. Liz is amazing. I don't know why that would be an issue. I'm pretty sure you can join

if you go to TimCast.com and sign up. That should be fine. Maybe there's an error. I don't know. I don't want to be like, check your account balance, but check your account balance. Also, this is important. At the beginning of Shimcast IRL, I said we were not going to be respectful to Lydia anymore,

and he said Lydia rocks. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I can't accept that. Same with Ian. Yeah, Lydia does rock. No, wait. Juan R. Ayala says, shout out to Seamus.

I've been a proud supporter of his work when he was just a smelly libertarian with no girlfriend and lived with his parents. Thank you so much. Come a long way, man. Why do you have to remind people about that chapter in my life? Smelly libertarian. We all have the libertarian. It's true.

Everyone has the libertarian. Everybody's made that huge mistake and then just gets over it. Well, let me tell you, thank you so much for supporting me over these years. That's very nice. And now I have my own Shimcast IRL channel with a million subscribers. That's impressive. You've done well. Thank you.

You really put in the work. Very quick, too. I didn't hear about you before. So the fact that you got to Illinois in this fast is just remarkable. You literally didn't hear about me until the day you were doing my podcast. Exactly. It's impressive. You've done well. Thank you. Very quick, too. I didn't hear about you before, so the fact that you got to Illinois in this fast is just remarkable. You literally didn't hear about me until the day you were

doing my podcast. Exactly. Amazing, even then. Except for the other time we met here, back when it was 10 past IRL. Yeah.

Things have gotten better. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Ryan Berkabile says, I work at a local factory. We are currently 80 short and so desperate,

we started hiring part-time with flexible hours. Wow. Interesting. Sorta, I can't read your name, says, urban secession, make U.S. megacities unincorporated U.S. autonomous territories. Well, no, I've always said that the best way to deal with California is to let it secede and then occupy it. And then we can strip it of its electoral votes.

That would solve, and also maybe just put Peter Thiel in charge. There's nothing wrong with california that a dictatorial peter teal wouldn't be able to solve dolly lance says my daughter got a new job and gave two weeks at her grocery store the store is short on employees the manager cried and begged her to still work at the store on her days off from the other job wow that's rough just shut her down man just that that's it shut it down you know it'd be really interesting there's like one grocery store within a few miles of here what would happen if one day people shut up and it was closed and it said

we have no staff anymore the store no longer operates where will people go Uber Eats man what will happen drive 10 minutes more to the Walmart or something I assume this is a big chain grocery store

I'm saying what happens if we get to the point where they're just like a bunch of them shut down in an area and people have no store to go to to get food they're coming for your chickens or will a mom and pop will a mom and pop open a building and say

look at this. People are desperate. We're going to make a ton of money. And then order groceries and have a little store, and then it'll grow again, and then it'll hire people. Maybe. Or it'll just be small mom and pop stores because they want to work. I don't think we're headed in that direction, though. I think it's the exact opposite.

It's the giant businesses that are going to dominate the market. But who wants to work for them? Drone delivery. Yeah. But here's the thing. People want to work for small. Here's the thing, man. They make their food from Amazon. They own the thing. People want to work for small. Here's the thing. They make their food from Amazon.

They own Whole Foods. People want to work for small ma and pa shops even less. Even though I think people are generally more ideologically on board with them. They're more comfortable working for small business owners rather than a large conglomerate. They usually can't pay any better. And generally speaking, they don't pay as well. They're not able to provide the same benefits either. Right. They can't compete with the big guys.

There's definitely benefits to size, especially when it comes to things like benefits and HR. Yes, 100%. All right, Dave from Colorado says, my wife and I listen every night. Yesterday was Jessica and my ninth wedding anniversary. Nice. Good for you. Congratulations.

Please have everyone wish Jessica a happy anniversary from her loving husband, Dave. Thank you. Happy anniversary, Jessica. Happy anniversary, Jessica. From Dave. Dave seems like a wonderful guy. Yeah, he does. Dave, you do. Good anniversary, Jessica. Happy anniversary, Jessica. From Dave. Dave seems like a wonderful guy. Yeah, he does.

Dave, you do. Good for you guys. A warm Shimcast IRL happy anniversary. That's right. Yes, correct. It's powerful. Adam Lee says, after 1,000 shout-outs for plumbers, I had to say thanks for recognizing plumbers and construction workers in general. A lot of us have been working this entire pandemic and are treated as though we do not know the risk i'm telling you man when the plumbers when when there's a plumber shortage people are going to revolt yes yeah like

you fast that's one of those things that you don't that you think about very much until you need a plumber yep oh yeah really glad that they will take your money to do we so people who come to this house don't understand what a septic system is. And I think anybody who has a septic system understands what it means when people come to your house and don't know what a septic system is. So we had one day where we woke up and the downstairs started

flooding because people don't understand you can't put stuff in toilets. And I'm like, how do we get a septic person out here literally right now? And you can't. You're calling, you're calling, you're calling, and they're like, how do we get a septic person out here literally right now? And you can't. You're calling, you're calling, you're calling. And they're like, we can be there tomorrow or the next day.

We're scheduled. We're booked. And it's like, wow. So he made me do it. When you need one, you need one. Yeah. And then everything got taken care of. And it wasn't that bad.

It was fortunate for us it was just water backing up. So it was just like kind of. Could have been worse. A mattress got destroyed. Fortunately for us, it was just water backing up. Oh, boy. Yeah. Meet the parents.

What? You ever see Meet the Parents? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember it. He left the toilet running, and so it flooded the septic system. And, oh, yeah. All right, let's see. Christopher Antonia says,

In Canada, we use paper ballots, parties, and volunteers to monitor the count, and everyone is cooperative, cordial, and transparent. A winner is normally declared on election night, but our up-and-coming election will have mail-in ballots. Thanks, Trudeau. You know, assuming that it's transparent is kind of dangerous. True. Because if you don't get to watch the entire process, then that's not transparent.

I just don't think we need mail-in ballots. I think you should have to be like absent-duty military or like show an excuse as to why you can't show up. That's pretty racist. All right. Christopher Knoll says,

we are mammals. Different survival requirements produce different levels of consciousness. It's a sliding scale. Random acts of kindness exist in our species. Why?

It shouldn't be advantageous to give away our own advantage to others, but it is. Why, if not free will? Because humans are social animals, and providing for each other guarantees the survival of the greater community. They did studies on rats and found rats are also

empathetic. They had a rat in this tight little tube that it couldn't get out of, and it was screaming, and they put another rat inside and gave the rat outside food. The rat outside would release the rat trapped and then share its food with it. But what we haven't

considered is maybe those rats were standing in solidarity against their human captors. If two aliens came and locked you in, if aliens came and locked you in another human in some kind of maze that you could free them from, you'd probably be more likely to help that person than you would if you just saw them on the streets. There's a really funny...

Now there's a common enemy. Right, you don't touch something if you don't know what it is. There's a really funny Farside comic where there's two aliens looking at a terrarium where a guy is cowering and there's a grizzly bear screaming. You're like, rah, over him.

And then the alien's like, Dave, you put incompatible species in the same terrarium. That would suck, right? That's what happens. All right. Jesse Meeks says, I love how even when you all have differing opinions, differing options, you're each able to present a coherent argument

and remain civil. I miss that. You should reach out to Liberty Doll. She's a professional counselor, libertarian, and gun enthusiast. Wouldn't it be funny if you just singled someone out? Except Seamus. He's an idiot. By the way, Ian. Power to the people, Seamus. This is what the establishment

fears most. Fist bumps? Kendrick Leist says, Ian should read The Fatal Conceit by Hayek. His thoughts would be immensely interesting. Interesting.

Write that down. Write that down. Write that down. The last of my comments. You're not a Hayek fan? He's obtuse. What's the... He'suse. I don't know. He's just, I don't know.

I find, I thought Milton Friedman's way better. I thought Rothbard's way better. I thought Hayek was, Hayek had some insights, but I definitely found some Hayek pros to be just unreadable. He put the Austrian school on the map with the boom and bust. Sure, sure. But, yeah, I don't know. The Austrians get one thing right,

and then they think they got everything right. I think, well, and also there's a lot they get from the Salomankins as well. I shouldn't say get from them, but that was discovered prior to. I just look at people like Peter Schiff who made a really bad prediction about the value of the dollar and lost two-thirds of his client's capital in the half of the crisis. Oh, wow. Did you know that? I like he's going to sue you, and you're going to be sued.

I'm just kidding. Okay, he can try. What happened? Basically, he was betting against the dollar and on inflation in the aftermath of the housing crisis. And he got the housing crisis part right. He just was betting all the spending was going to lead to serious inflation, but didn't account for the fact that the massive debt collapse was incredibly deflationary and kind of outweighed it. So the dollar got stronger

and that bet was like a big chunk of the portfolio. So that's my understanding of what happened. The opposite of the big short. Yeah. He managed to get the housing crisis part right and still lose money. Which is... The last of my kind says, howdy Seamus cast crew.

Today is 31st birthday and I'm walking with a cane because I jumped off my truck and rolled my ankle. 31 never felt so good. Don't 31 year olds usually walk with a cane? Yeah, I know. Trust me. You sound like my fiance who constantly tells me how old I am.

How old are you, Will? I'm 36. No, 35. Sorry, I'm about to turn 36. I forgot. I'm so old I forgot my own age. But forgot. I'm so old. I forgot my own age. That was rough. But thank you for that. Luke Rudkowski says, what's Dilbert doing on the show, and how are you treating my parking lot?

Thanks, Luke. Does he ever call you Dilbert? Yeah, that was like Luke's original nickname for me. When we met, all the way back at the Airbnb in Berkeley. Yeah, for some reason he started calling me Dilbert. What a jerk. Because I wear glasses.

Oh, nice. He wants to hang out with you. And I have blonde hair. Yeah. We did a show recently. He's really self-conscious and he wants you to think that he's cool.

So he's trying to show you that he's confident. Oh, I absolutely will vouch for Luke Rutkowski's coolness. He's a wonderfully cool person. He's a cool guy. He's up in New Hampshire with the Free State Project stuff. He's teaching people self-defense and tactical defense training and stuff.

Check out Luke Rutkowski's Instagram, WeAreChange. Follow Luke Rutkowski on YouTube and Spotify. Is he on Spotify yet? No, I don't think so. Luke, you've got to start a podcast, bro. Yeah, man. Is this RukowskiCast now? Shame that you lost your show.

Hold on. No, this is still Shimcast IRL, but we have a high degree of love and reverence for Luke. RukowskiCast wouldn't fit in the YouTube title. That's kind of long. RukowskiCast? How would you even know? RukowskiCast?

RukowskiCast. There you go. Or you can all just tweet to Luke how much you love him and you're puking because he's not on the show and he's vanished. That's right. I want Luke back on Shimcast. I've said it once, I'll say it again. That's right.

Shimcast. He's the man. He got good aim. Was that too loud? Yes. Sorry, guys. Thanks, Dean. Mike, play as an art.

There you go. Jonathan MacLea says, Hey, Tim, thanks for inspiring me to get back into podcasting again. Check out the Swamp Creatures podcast, where us Florida men drink and talk about the news every Friday. We are not PG or PC. I like that. Do you commit crimes on the podcast, like many Florida men do?

If so, I am intrigued. Will, I got to ask you a question. Sure. From my understanding, the reason that Florida seems so crazy is because they have different sunshine laws. Is this correct? I have no idea.

Okay. And I was born there, but I left. Yeah, I know. You left when I was two. What are sunshine laws? So from my understanding, this is where if you commit a crime that that information is more accessible

to the general public. So more able to talk about what goes on there. I have no idea. That might make it easier to run various Twitter accounts and Instagram accounts about the various crimes. For sure. The men of Florida. Yes. Florida man.

Legendary. All right. Let's see what we got. Olympic. I can't read that name. If Hollywood made a movie about this election showing Biden. Okay. We're going to move on, I guess.

Good super chat, though. Good super chat. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for the money. Australia is not real. Just ask a flat earther, says Shimcast IRL rocks. Yes.

That's true. And thank you. Both of those statements are accurate. All right. Master Matthew says, saw the stream on the Freedom Phone. Tech being easy for everyone contradicts your position on being responsible. If you're afraid of being spied on, know your tech. Check out Pineapple and Linux, by the way.

Note, it doesn't contradict me at all. I would love it if we streamlined the process for which people could be responsible by bringing things down to earth. If somebody wants to learn how to start a fire, I'm not going to be like, don't use sticks you're not responsible i'll say get some fire steel it's a modern technology i mean you should learn how to start a fire with nothing but sticks but it's also substantially more responsible to be like i have fire steel you ever see that stuff it's cool you go should the sparks fly out it was a magnesium and flint i think it's just magnesium it's magic just oh yeah that's right you can also take like cotton and stuff it in a tight jar and then heat it up so it gets really hot without oxygen, and then it becomes this-

How do you heat it up? On a fire. You put it over heat. Oh, so you have to already have it. Yeah, you have to already have that fire going. What does that do? It's portable, and then it's super flammable. You can start a fire with it really easy.

Oh, if you heat the cotton up without oxygen, it turns black. Is this survival skills day? Is this really Luke Rudkowski cast? That's right yeah that's what happened there that's right what's happening they should teach kids code i mean at this at this stage of the game little kids should be learning that in second grade like a language my brother did tate story says a big promise larry elder made to the sacramento Bee was to significantly reduce homelessness. Do you think it's possible to really change the situation in California?

I absolutely do. Oh, yeah. You just jail. No, that won't work. No, sorry. I just like saying jail is the solution to all these problems. Right? Right to jail.

Right to jail. I'll tell you, everything they're doing isn't solving the problem. And the best thing they've offered up is like, how about we build houses and put them in? And I'm like, that won't solve the problem either. It's a mental health crisis. Imagine living in California and being like, we're just one more left-wing policy away from getting this right. We're going to have a progressive utopia.

Skid Row is so bad. Have you been to Skid Row? Anybody? Yeah, I used to go down there. Yes. And it's not Skid Row anymore. It's the whole city. Yeah, Skid City. It's Skid City is so bad. Have you been to Skid Row? Anybody? Yeah, I used to go down there. Yes, and it's not Skid Row anymore. It's the whole city. Yeah, Skid City.

It's Skid City. No joke. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anybody go there. I used to hang out down there and pass out water bottles and talk to people. I was thinking for a time, like 2007, I would start interviewing people and show their stories to the world, but they didn't want to do interviews for the most part. Their stories wouldn't be that interesting. You catch the random homeless dude

that gets a viral video and then he makes a name for himself, makes money, gets a clean cut, gets a career, and it's like, I want that. I want to help people do that. But they weren't in the mind state for it. Not those guys that I met. Alright, let's see what we got. Ricky L. Hendricks

says, when I became my mother's legal guardian, she lost her right to vote. At first, she could reason, but later on, couldn't. Interesting. That is interesting. I'm not sure how that works. Yeah. All right. Fetty says,

Tim, you should look into Cardano's blockchain as a solution to land ownership. It's already being talked about for the future governance update. Interesting. I do have some Cardano. I'm interested to see where they go. It's interesting. You know, Max Keiser is a Bitcoin maximalist. He's like, Bitcoin is the best.

Everything else is trash. And I'm like, Bitcoin is the best. And I think other cryptos, you know, are typically just like investing in a company's project. I don't know why you're trying to like over. We actually have a very good system in the united states for like land title like we have a recorder and it's the government does it and they actually do a really good job with this particular job you know it's one of the things we have in like places in africa don't it's a huge problem when they don't have

good title um so and it's not clear like what property belongs to whom uh and you have constant little disputes people don't invest their property. We've solved this problem. I don't know why you guys want to try and unsolve it and then solve it again on the blockchain. There are people who are like, blockchain. And you're like, for what? Because. But why? What if we did

McDonald's on the blockchain? What does that mean? It's an order on the blockchain. Why would you need to? You can do marriage law on the blockchain. You can do your vows via the hash. No, stop. That's another... Interplanetary file system.

I'm a conservative. That wasn't clear. Yes, yes. All right. Aaron M. says, Going back to yesterday's stream about Asians and family, China had forms of polygamy until the mid-20th century. Even in Hong Kong, my home, men are considered

just being men if they have mistresses and wives just don't get caught. Oh, well, there you go. Alexander Scarpecci says, yes, Florida is very transparent with criminal records. Criminal records are all available online through the county clerk website.

Michael Bird says, would you rather be trapped in the Matrix or Lord of the Rings universe? Would you rather have to write everything you say out by hand or only be able to speak in rhymes? What? Matrix universe or Lord of the... So Matrix, well, there's two possibilities, right?

Exactly. It's the Matrix. There's two Matrix, you know, in the Matrix or outside of it. Right. I'd choose in the Matrix over the Lord of the Rings universe for sure. Lord of the Rings is more old-timey, which means a lot less modern convenience. I don't know.

They have, like, magic and stuff. That sounds fun. Would you rather be red-pilled in the Matrix universe or in the Lord of the Rings universe? What does that mean? Wait, what is being red-pilled in Lord of the Rings, bro? Sauron was right. Red-pilled in the Lord of the Rings universe. What does that mean? What is being Red-Pilled in Lord of the Rings, bro? Sauron was right. Red-Pilled in the Matrix. It was a leading question, Will.

Sauron did nothing wrong. The truth came out. The two towers did not... And to be honest, you know what really gets me? Elrond could have stopped Azildur. He's standing right there because

what happened when frodo and sam were in were in mount doom was mount doom right yeah he's like why don't you do it and frodo's like no but then it's it's gone don't spoil it for those who haven't seen it it's gollum who comes and they fight yeah gollum did what Elrond couldn't. Now, granted, he wanted the ring for himself, but... It's that scene where he's like, Cast it into the fire! Isildur! And he walks away. It's like, dude, just walk up and just push him in.

But I also think he was already walking away from him, and he just put the ring on and go invisible, and there's nothing he could do. I think I'd rather be in the... Matrix. I say Matrix, but then it's like you have robots trying to kill you all the time. And that's terrifying. You just live in the Matrix and be fine with that, right?

Well, I'm assuming you're unplugged at that point. I don't want to be unplugged in the Matrix. Sounds terrible. So you would rather not know? You'd rather not know the nature of reality? We got beat by the robots? That sucks. I'd rather be living in the reality they created for me.

How nice of them. Lord of the Rings is the correct answer. No, it's not nice of them. Lord of the Rings is the correct answer. Absolutely. Because I know that if I had the one ring, I would be able to wield it. That's true. I would be the guide.

But what if you were just some cheap peasant in some hamlet in Lord of the Rings? If I saw that ring, I'd be like, I'm the one who can actually wield it. I know. Of course. You'd be the one that would finally be able to handle it. I mean, it's obvious. Yeah, absolutely. I don't care what Sauron or whatever. That's actually true. I think Tim could...

He's Frodo, dude. I mean, no one can handle it, but if someone might be able to handle it, give it to him. Only Tim. Don't compare Tim to Frodo. And why shouldn't I have it? That's right. I think I misspoke. Don't compare Tim to Frodo. And why shouldn't I have it? That's right. Uh-oh. I think I misspoke.

Don't give him the ring. I would not want the ring. That thing is cursed. What is the ring in modern metaphor? Is it the power of internet video? I was trying to think of that.

I don't think that's what Tolkien had in mind. Because you could make a video if you're famous enough on YouTube and tell a million people to do something and they would do it.

I think it's the moderation power. That's what I think the ring is. I think it would be like what YouTube and Twitter, you know, they have the seven rings. And we need to cast them into the fire by making platform access a civil right. Oh, snap, look at that. Boom.

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Nice. Right on. Shimcast IRL. Yeah. So I have a second channel. I have a channel called Freedom Tunes where I make animations. And we're going to be releasing one tomorrow that I think should be pretty funny, dealing with old Governor Cuomo, who we didn't really get into here.

But I think it'll be a good one. But not the one I wanted to do. Well, we'll see. We'll talk about it. The one that I want to do with Seamus is not funny. Maybe we'll do it someday. It's just because Cuomo killed all those people. We, like, brainstormed a session where you would be like, Seamus, I wanted to laugh and you

made me cry. Or not cry. Yeah, I can upload it. Hey, if you're on Patreon.com slash Freedom Tunes, we'll upload the footage of Tim and I improv-ing a different Cuomo video that was never made. No, I think we need to make it. Maybe. There's no words.

Okay. Well, if you go to Shimcast.com, maybe we'll put it up. Someone's going to buy it. Someone just bought it. Yeah. All right. Here's the thing to Shimcast.com, maybe we'll put it up. Someone's going to buy it. Someone just bought it. Here's the thing. Shimcast IRL is this. So I want to thank you for watching Shimcast, my podcast. Please, let's see if we got up to 10,000 likes.

We did. Good. Good. So this is. Epic hype, man. And you're not getting any of the super chits. Not the best ranked episode. Well, that's a little messed up.

It's literally my podcast. But thank you guys for coming on my show. Yeah, Freedom Tunes. Freedom Tunes. Releasing a video tomorrow. Go over there. Subscribe. Check us out at patreon.com slash freedomtunes. And I'm on Twitter at Seamus underscore Coghlan. Very easy to spell. Thank you. Thank you for having me, Seamus. Yeah.

Always really fun. I'm very grateful. Of course, Will. Anytime. Anytime. The door's always open to you. You were going to say your YouTube channel name for your show. Oh, yeah. It's youtube.com slash human events. I'm currently doing it on the Human Events channel. Human Events. You know me, you love me. Just kidding.

That's it. No. I can't decide what you love. Yeah, hit me up. Ian Crossland. That's right. You guys should listen to Will's podcast because I used to listen to his live streams about lawyer stuff. And I found them very interesting and educational because not many people know a lot about law.

But he went to school for that. So you guys can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I continue my pursuit of Sour Patch Kids and follower count. We're going to talk about a bunch of spicy stuff now that YouTube doesn't allow us to talk about because they're jerks and they're scared. So go to TimCast.com, be a member, and we will see you all there. Bye, guys.