Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #356 - FBI Issues Warrant For Info Wars Reporter Owen Shroyer w/Dave Smith & Mises Founder

Episode Date: August 21, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join Dave Smith, libertarian and comedian, and Mike Heise, founder of the Mises Caucus to discuss the arrest of Owen Shroyer, InfoWars reporter who made the mistake of being present at the January 6th riot at the capitol, the hypocrisy of Hasan Piker, and whether it matters, Dave breaks down the sordid history of the IRS, the efficacy of the GOP is questioned, and the reactionary left is scrutinized. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Info Wars reporter Owen Schroyer just announced that the FBI has issued a warrant for his arrest because apparently he was standing on the steps during the January 6 riots. This is interesting. BuzzFeed has a report on it, and apparently someone tipped off the feds, and now he's got to turn himself in on Monday. So we'll go through that story. And at the same time, we have a report from the FBI basically debunking the whole insurrection narrative. They said none of it was planned. No coordination. Trump did not coordinate or plan it. Yet we still see what I think it's like 570 people have been arrested and charged. The charges are pretty intense, but we'll go through all that stuff with that story. And then we've got to talk about these vaccine mandates in Australia. They have imprisoned a man for eight months because he was organizing a protest. It's draconian and it's here. And then we got New York. And what New York is doing is shocking. The New York mandate, for those of you that have

listened to the show for the past week, it's going to require businesses to fire any employee with a disability barring them from vaccination. This is a shockingly draconian measure. So we'll talk about all that. We're being joined by the Mises guys. Do you guys want to just introduce yourselves? I'll just throw it to you guys. Sure, absolutely. I'm Dave Smith, and this is the chair and founder of the Mises Caucus, the great Michael Heiss.

Thanks for having me. And I have to give a shout-out. I know he's not here, obviously, but I've got to give a shout-out today. Today is actually Ron Paul's 86th birthday. Happy birthday, Ron. We're big fans. We have his picture still taped to the door, I think he's not here, obviously, but I gotta give a shout out today, is actually Ron Paul's 86th birthday. Happy birthday, Ron. We're big fans. We have his picture still taped to the door, I think, don't we? I think so, yeah. I believe so. So we, when it was Christmas, Luke came here, and he put

Ron Paul on the top of our tree, because he's both a star and an angel. That's what Luke said. And then with the tree down, Luke just taped Ron Paul to, like, one of the doors in the house. He's been there for almost a year now. Can I tell you, man? We're fans. Happy birthday to the great Ron Paul to like one of the doors in the house. He's been there for almost a year now. Can I tell you, man? We're fans. Happy birthday to the great Ron Paul.

And what I love so much about Ron Paul is just like, you know, I know you like to share and it is hilarious and accurate, but that meme of the libertarian ideas and libertarian candidates. But then even for all the people, like all the right wingers who like will come on this show and other shows and kind of, you know, be like, well, the libertarians get this wrong and they get this wrong. And then you're like, OK, now do Ron Paul. And you're like, oh, yeah, you know what? That guy was right about everything.

He was literally, as we're in this country that's on a suicide mission, all the things that are killing the country, Ron Paul was completely right about. The wars, the debt, the currency being destroyed, the militarization of the police, the entire war on terrorism. And also, by the way, he was right about COVID and the lockdowns and all of that from day one. People were mocking him when he called the whole thing a hoax and just an excuse for government authoritarianism. You mean the lockdowns hoax? The lockdowns, yes. The whole COVID regime, this whole justification for all of these draconian measures. To clarify for draconian YouTube,

COVID is serious. You're saying that... COVID is a very nasty virus. All of the government responses have been horrendous and stupid and done nothing to mitigate the virus. But just to say that, that is basically what the Mises caucus is about, is that we represent that wing of

libertarianism the Ron Paul real libertarianism serious not defending dumb woke stuff not defending like silly corporatism and stuff like that the real tradition of Mises Rothbard and Ron Paul and I'll see Jack Dorsey tweeted Rothbard? I sure did. I sure did, Tim. What was that? I don't know. I think he's just trying to break my brain and confuse me.

Anatomy of the State, right? Yeah, that's the pamphlet. Which is, by the way, go read Anatomy of the State if you haven't. It's the most powerful 60-page essay pamphlet you'll ever read in your life. I thought that was because all the libertarians were tweeting like like a nuke had dropped like jack dorsey of twitter this like woke just he just tweeted it he just tweeted it well from what i hear he's like gotten real into bitcoin and stuff and so maybe he's going down this rabbit hole so jack if you're listening thank you for tweeting that and stop kicking people off your platform. Yeah. He doesn't own it anymore. That's the problem.

He's like 6% or 2% of the company now. So that's when they start figuring out stuff. He's an example of a free market and cap Bitcoin enthusiast technologist that got co-opted by the corporate state. Because they took him. They paid a bunch of money. Then they took his company. They bought his company from him. Now they use his face to try and sell the brand.

Well, I also wouldn't be surprised. I think they basically not so implicitly threatened all of the big tech guys. And that's like the truth is that if you look back at the social media scene in 2015, 2016, as we all remember, it was the wild, wild west. And I mean that as a libertarian as the highest compliment, wild, wild West was the greatest time in the history of the world. And so you, you remember there were people out there who would just be like, even really bad people who you probably wouldn't want to hear from, but they were just out there advocating their views.

No one was getting booted off. It was a completely free for all free speech zone. And then what happened was, you know, Donald Trump won and the corporate press needed some narrative as to why this would happen. It couldn't be because Hillary Clinton was just such a transparently awful person. It had to be because of fake news on social media. And they dragged him in front of Congress and basically mafia style threatened all of them. Like, what are you going to do to crack down on this fake news they had a huge influence in creating this censorship environment which is awful well

we'll get into all that stuff and uh you know ian's chilling have you already heard from him you know how it is sup dudes in 2007 i remember obama and ron paul very serious to me i took both serious but i was afraid ron paul was going to be like darth vader i kept getting this weird feeling like this is darth if he gets into office Paul was going to be like Darth Vader. I kept getting this weird feeling like this is Darth. If he gets into office, he's going to be like Darth Vader. And I know what that meant, but it was like he was going to bring great balance to the force. And what did that mean in modern day? He probably would have repealed the Federal

Reserve Act. I don't know about that. That would make Darth Vader. It would completely upset our monetary system. I'd imagine Darth Vader the one being proposing to be the central bank for the galactic empire I was afraid of him and I was like Obama's the hero I'm going with Obama Ron Paul makes me afraid

Probably because he would have ruptured this Crap system early Rather than let it get to where it's gotten I would imagine But I think that's the myth The truth is that Obama is really the one I mean it's George W. Bush's fault But Obama bears so much of the blame for ruining the country because Obama was the one who was voted in as a counter to George W. Bush.

Like the country rejected George W. Bush. So we went, OK, we're going to go all the way over with this very progressive constitutional lawyer, progressive named Barack Hussein Obama. That's how much we hate George W. Bush. And he doubled down on Bush's policies, brought the war in Afghanistan and Iraq to Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen. And that really, coupled with the record high spending, is what broke the whole system.

So whatever fear you have of Ron Paul, Obama's what left us with all of this. We'll get into all that. We got Lydia pressing buttons. I'm also sitting in the corner. I can already tell it's going to be a great conversation. I'm delighted as ever to have Dave Smith. I'm going to apologize.

I'm coming in hot. It's Ron Paul's birthday. I'm not even letting intros get out here. Calm down. We got this. When Jack tweeted that, I sent it immediately to Dave. And I was like, oh, my gosh, look at this. What the heck is going on?

Luke tweeted. I was like, what the fuck? It's happening. What the heck's going on? Luke tweeted. I was like, what the fuck? That is how I saw it. He sent it to me and I went, that's got to be like a fake picture. He got hacked. Wait, seriously? Yeah, rough. So thank you to Biotrust, but don't forget, go to TimCast.com,

become a member and help support our fierce and independent journalism. You'll get an ad-free experience and access to all of our members' segments. We've got a huge library of members-only podcasts from this show. There's like a ton. We've got two episodes with Alan West. We've got Steve Bannon. Really fun stuff. So become a member. Now let's jump in to, oh yeah, smash the like button. Subscribe to the channel. We've got to get through these intros. Let's talk about this first story real quick. Just because this one was kind of big when it dropped only a couple hours ago buzzfeed news reports info wars

host owen schroyer has been charged in the january 6 riots they say in a new complaint filed on friday the u.s attorney's office in washington charged schroyer with illegally going into a restricted area on the capital grounds and disorderly conduct he's one of the highest profile right-wing media personalities to be prosecuted in connection with the insurrection so far. I love that BuzzFeed calls it an insurrection, considering the FBI just came out and said it basically wasn't. But sure, they mentioned that he's based in Texas.

He had been photographed on a stage outside the Capitol with Alex Jones, and the FBI said it received an anonymous tip from someone noting other video that appeared to show Schroyer at the top of a set of stairs on the east side of the Capitol. Jones has not been charged. So this is what's interesting right now. I mean, it could potentially mean Alex Jones. There's a lot of higher profile people. I bet the FBI was waiting because if they go for the really high profile people, it could be a shock to the system. So it looks like they're starting with Owen Schroer, I suppose. they may start going for other people and he didn't take any he didn't even

take any selfies i don't yeah in there no selfies you know what's the point then you know i don't know about you guys i don't want to live in a society where just anyone can walk up on some steps and not face 30 years in prison i mean come on we got to clean this up. 30? No, I'm just – 50. I hope not. Jeez. That's a – it is – it really is – it's no joke what the state will do when they want to crack down on someone. Like, you know, I was saying this back when they had that Chaz thing in Seattle when they were playing this little game and they did the little one in new york for a little bit too and i was just saying i was like listen you you lefties can have your fun building your little thing and then you'll probably abandon it in a few weeks you know but don't get it twisted if the government is letting you do this because it's it suits their agenda right now if they didn't want you to do this they will waco you and lose no sleep over it. Okay. So that's what people need to understand. And that's, I think what a lot of people at January 6th did not understand.

They thought it's, ah, this is funny. I'll go in here. I'll fart on Nancy Pelosi's desk or whatever. Now the people calling it an insurrection are just, this is laughably stupid, a coup attempt, laughably stupid. But it is also really stupid to go in there and think, ha haha, selfie, while I'm farting on Nancy Pelosi's desk. Like, ha-ha, you're going to do 40 years in prison now. You just went up and slapped in the face the most powerful government in human history.

What do you think they do to people? Like, what do you think? They'll do this to everyone in the Middle East, but they won't mess with you? That's why it's important to understand what the nature of government is. Exactly. Like, it's not just some service provider that we change the clothes on and you might get some left-wing service providing over here

and some right-wing service. It's force. Well, that's exactly right. Michael's exactly right. They had this mythology of like, well, what? This is the people's house. Like I was saying before,

no, it's not. It's the war criminal's house. This house don't belong to you. And this isn't even like a fringe concept. This is George Washington. George Washington said the government was forced. This is, there's something, what was I saying earlier?

I was saying something like the way they view this country. I was talking about Afghanistan. The way that the establishment views this country is not as a nation on founding principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and the Bill of Rights. It's, this is where we can test weapons

and then run our companies to go and extort other countries and invade. And so we as Americans, a lot of and even many like traditional Democrats, I don't know about today. It's getting kind of crazy out there. But up on like when the Afghan war started, you had Democrats and Republicans who mostly view this country as the history of the founding fathers and World War II and civil rights. But the people running these companies, they don't see this country that way. They don't know. They don't care. They're like, this is just our hub for militarism.

And then they run their companies here, and they go to other places and do their thing. But there's something interesting in that. Just downstairs, we were talking. I've got these Utah Goldback things I bought off the internet. Yeah. It's like a gold foil, one one-thousandth of an ounce. And one of our friends mentioned that the Constitution says that gold and silver are the only currency. Is that true?

Yes. And they've never amended that. Yes. And also that states can make legal tender that is gold and silver, but nothing else. But yes, that's right. I'm pretty sure it defines it as an actual measure of a certain amount of grains of gold or silver. Well, I don't know if that's actually in the Constitution, but that was common parlance at the time was that, yes, that's what a dollar meant.

But yeah, the Constitution absolutely defines legal tender as gold and silver. And that never changed. Oh, yeah, Article I, Section 10. No state shall coin money, emit bills of credit, make anything but gold and silver a tender in payment of debts. That means that the only constitutionally valid forms of money are gold and silver. Oh, they're debunking it. They're saying it's a myth.

Is that a myth? Anything that restrains government is a myth. Yeah, I mean, look, there's certainly i'm sure like with everything in the constitution there'll be people who interpret it in different ways um but look richard nixon when he took us off the gold standard in uh 71 he said it was a temporary measure he said he had temporarily closed the convertibility from dollars into gold which was the ultimate default and violation of a contractual agreement between the world. I mean, we were on an agreement in the Bretton Woods Agreement that dollars were essentially notes.

They still say notes on them, that they were notes, that you were represented, you were holding gold. And just like most temporary government programs, it should end any day now. Do you want to break down the Bretton Woods agreement, what that was? Sure. So, well, the Bretton Woods agreement was coming out of World War II. Basically, all the other industrial powers had been destroyed, and the United States had the vast majority of the gold reserves. And so we basically made a deal with the rest of the nations that if they took our dollars as their reserve currency. Then we would back our dollars up by gold at $35 an ounce. And so basically they were on a gold standard because they were on a dollar standard.

And then in the 60s, we really started cheating. We fought the war in Vietnam. We put a man on the moon. We launched the entitlement state. We were spending like crazy. And they called our bluff. And they said, okay, no, I don't think you have this much gold. We're going to turn in our dollars for gold. And then Nixon said, oh, no, I don't think you have this much gold. We're going to turn in our dollars for gold.

And then Nixon said, oh, no, we're suspending the convertibility. Because they called our bluff because we cheated. We were acting like a bank. Yes, exactly. Like the worst type of bank. Right. Like a reckless bank. Didn't actually have the money.

And then, you know, it's funny because then we go off the gold standard in 1971, and it's officially fiat currency, even though, like I said, we were cheating already in the 60s, right? But we go off the gold standard in the early 70s. And sometimes even really good progressives like Bernie Sanders, well, you know, and good progressives will say things where they'll be like, you know, like the average wages have been so stagnant since right about the 70s. And the rich have been getting so much richer since right about the 70s and the rich have been getting so much richer since right about the 70s you know the cost of everything has gotten out of control since right about the 70s and you

know what happened greed you know like they never have an answer for for what it is but what happened is that we removed any restraints from the government to print as much money as they want and this is where you've seen the true rise of gigantic government, endless wars, corporate bailouts, and also Wall Street. Now, Wall Street was not a place where people were making insane amounts of money like this, like at least on the level since then. That really started in the 80s, the Gordon Gekko generation. This is what happened when you had this funny money that people can just play and speculate

with. So let's rope this back to what the government is. So we're talking about Owen Schroer, January 6, and the potential that the government might go after people. But we also have this story from Reuters. FBI finds scant evidence of U.S. capital attack was coordinated. So they basically go through it and they say, nobody. They say it was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups,

prominent supporters of Trump, according to their sources, they say nobody uh they say it was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups prominent supporters of trump according to their sources were either directly involved or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations i got a text message from someone running against lauren bobert and what do you think they they told me they were for as to why i should give them money i got a text i just said hey my name is so-and-so, and this is why you should vote for me. Not like a personal text message, like a mass text message? I mean, it's a campaign text message.

Right, right. No, but I'm saying not like someone knew you on the campaign and texted you. Right, right, right. Okay. So they got my number from a registry or something. They are running against Lauren Boebert, and what do you think they thought to themselves? I have one text message to send this guy. Here's what i need to say to get him to give me money what do you think that one thing was i really hope it was getting back on the gold standard but i know that's

not gonna be stopping lauren bobert yes oh my god we uh marjorie taylor green's accomplice lauren bobert is is being char is being investigated and we're gonna stop her and i'm like you're not for anything yeah what is this i was like you you're not for anything. What is this? I was like, you want me to donate because you don't like Lauren Boebert? That's not something to vote for. And so I bring that up because what they've been doing with the media and the Democrats with January 6th is trying to create some reason you'd vote for them. Negative partisanship. They don't really have anything.

That's like if there's a flood and everyone's trying to find a leader to help us through this great flood that's destroyed so much land. And people are running, they're like, vote for me because I hate floods. Floods are bad. I'm going to stop the floods. It's worse than that. You're like, come on. It's worse than that.

Give me some tech. There's a flood and there's a boating company. And the guy says, vote for me because that boating guy, it's his fault and I hate him. And you're like, what do you know about the flood? Hey, hey, hey, hey, we're dealing with hating right now. Well, part of it, I think a huge part of it is that what can they really say? You know, what could, this is why, you know, Hillary Clinton's entire campaign against Donald Trump was, look how awful Donald Trump is. Because what else could she say?

I mean, could she sit there to the American people and say, well, look, I gave you guys Iraq. I mean, I gave you guys Libya. I gave you guys banker bailouts. I mean, what are you not happy with? Right. So they knew Trump only exists because people were so furious about what they had been given by the Clintons and the Bushes and Obama. Right. So they can't. So the only play they have is to tell you that this like uprising against the establishment is so ugly and awful. Look, the worst thing ever is January 6th, not the country being completely sold out by the ruling elite. That's not the problem. The problem is the people furious about it. And OK, sure, they might be furious about a

thing that isn't exactly the right thing to be furious about. Like, I don't know what happened in the election. My base assumption is all elections are fraudulent, but I don't know what happened in the 2020 election. But if you just look in general why they got to this level of anger, it wasn't just one election. It was a series of events that led to this. I think Obama. I remember 2008. I remember seeing all of my friends screaming in foam, coming out of their mouths,

Obama, I was in Chicago. And I went down to Millennium Park or Grand Park, whatever they call it. I don't know. The big park. And they had this big screen and Obama speaking. Everyone's screaming and cheering. There were people everywhere. And they were like, Bush was nuts.

He wasn't our president. It was a victory through the Supreme court we were upset about it finally all of these wars are going to end this was a mistake we shouldn't have gotten in these wars it's all over and then obama goes um gonna bomb a pakistani village and that was like one of the first orders he gave was the bomb and then i remember seeing that and i was just like oh here we go i guess yeah that was like that i don't remember how old i was i wasn't that old and i was just like oh here we go i guess yeah that was like i don't remember how old i was i wasn't that old and i was just kind of like getting whacked in the face because i was like when i was a teenager i was hanging out with all these punk anarchist types who are like the system is broken it can never be fixed and then i was like yeah and then i got older and i'm like

hey you look obama you know he's doing something like this is going to be the chance to like have some normalcy and then he's just like oh i'm gonna drop some bumps yeah and then he did and then i was like these people are just all lying. Yeah, he actually doubled down on the worst of the Bush policies. Yeah, yeah. He expanded the war in the Middle East. He expanded it in the Middle East. Expanded not only the wars drastically, and then also expanded the entire national security apparatus, created the spy.

You know, we were upset during Bush about, like, warrantless wiretapping. And Obama was like, created the spy. You know, we were upset during Bush about, like, warrantless wiretapping. And Obama was like, hold my beer. I'm collecting every piece of metadata on every American citizen. And by every metric, by the spending, the wars, everything. The extrajudicial assassinations of American citizens. Yeah. And there was something even more devastating about it coming from the guy who was the reaction to Bush. I mean, this is why after Obama you get Trump.

Because you have Bush who everyone rejects. Then the reaction against Bush within the system, everyone rejects, too, for being on the same page as Bush. And then you're like, well, where do we go from here? And they're telling you your options are Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton. And then they heard the most powerful campaign statement ever when Donald Trump was on that debate stage and it was Megyn Kelly and she said, you've called women fat pigs.

And he went, only Rosie O'Donnell. And then everybody started cheering and screaming. And I am joking, but there was something to that. It was very powerful. He had several that were very powerful. And the reason why that one was so powerful is because he just went, I'm not playing your game. Yeah. Circle-bended the whole thing.

That's right. And you touched on that politics is about being against the other. What's scary about that is how pervasive it is because you look at approval ratings for the media, super low. Approval ratings for politicians, super low. And then people still keep putting the incumbents back in. It's like how do you account for that? How do you break that cycle? Because obviously the hate for the other is stronger than the disapproval for the status quo.

It's like how do you deal with that? Do you guys see that trans anarchist Satanists who won the primary for the Republicans up in New Hampshire? No, and I usually keep up with trans anarchist Satanists. Aria, I think for the republicans up in new hampshire no and i usually keep up with trans i know who you're talking about uh aria i think her name is yeah yeah yeah and it uh it was a point that people just go in and hit r they would walk in and go republican republican i don't care who and so you gotta know who you're voting for don't vote for someone if you don't know who they are you can vote for the person you do like. We talked about this on the show, getting rid of the party affiliation on ballots

because then people would be like, I don't know. And random is probably better than tribal party line. Or another one, they could adopt what we do in the Libertarian Party, which is on every single election, there is none of the above is an option. That would be nice. So the seat could be vacant

yeah yeah it could be vacant or um if there was nobody else running basically somebody we nominate x you know and you just kind of take it from the floor i would i would love to end up with just like president jimmy just like some dude in the crowd like yeah no and how about this dude and like he just gives it a whirl well do you know what demarchy is rule by rent rule at random rule at random yeah so i i remember i had an anarchist friend we were talking a lot about how this would work and like what it would be and the idea would be you'd get like congress duty you'd be like you'd come home from work you're all tired and you grab the mail and you go inside and you throw it down and then you see like official notice and you're like oh what is this and you open it's like you have been randomly

selected for congress duty you must report to dc here like official notice and you're like what is this and you open it's like you have been randomly selected for congress duty you must report to dc here is your stipend you're like oh honey i got congress duty honey can you make dinner tonight i'm a senator all right i'll be home in six years well no no but it'll be for like two months oh okay yeah it'd be like probably the same thing like jury duty that would be like like they would just go to whoever is like controlling them be like i'm absolutely a racist you don't want me it'd be the same as jury duty where you just don't respond and hope that they never enforce that i'm just kidding but jury duty is different from congress duty congress duty is like you're an american with opinions yeah Yeah. So, you know, it would be like you're here for six months.

You know, here's quick orientation. And the idea is that a random person with a short term who's not going to profit off it doesn't want to be the person walking out being like, I didn't start the war. It wasn't me. Yeah. I mean, look, it's kind of a fun idea to play with, but I wouldn't really want to be governed that way. How about we just tremendously reduce, if not eliminate, the role of the federal government and let people be free you don't want to just pick random people who know nothing about politics or governing or anything you have them you know what about vacancies like what if you could on a ballot it would be like jane doe john smith and no one like elect a vacant seat and you

could be like i don't want anybody going to dc on my name all right that i am all for then that's just like congress has just like less people there i think you could get a populist movement behind that to be honest just no one in congress yes it's just i mean the worst but the problem then is uh it's it you know the reason it wouldn't work is because other people will be like now's our chance and they like democrats being like if you do this and the republicans have a majority. And if there's no one in Congress, then the president is unrestrained. So I got to admit, I think the system devised by the founding fathers is absolutely brilliant when you look at other countries especially, three branches doing different kind of things. The problem is there was this conspiracy on Jekyll Island.

The Federal Reserve emerged, and all of a sudden nothing mattered anymore. Well, there's that, but there's also the arguments. People forget that there was a big argument as to whether or not we should even have a constitution. And the anti-federals, the people who are arguing against the constitution, pretty prescient. Like they've been, I mean, their arguments, they said that this is going to become a king. And through executive order, that is what has happened. One of the problems, if you study shay's rebellion which was after the revolutionary war these this the foreign powers wanted to get their debt back from the americans for the war debt and but they didn't they wanted hard currency they wanted metal and gems they didn't want paper currency the farmers only made

their money by bartering their food they didn't have anything so they normally paid their debts with by printing paper and setting it off the merchants that own this they basically controlled the state legislature was like we need hard currency from these farmers because we need to pay our foreign debts farmers like we don't have it so they started putting people in debtors prison the farmers basically started going to the courthouses and standing outside with weapons blocking the the judges from from adjudicating uh so they couldn't be thrown in debtor's prison. And it caused massive chaos. The state couldn't get its local people to fight to stop it, so they had to send in state troops.

And they realized that without a constitution, without a centralized authority on taxes, each state would tax their own people individually and has the potential to cause massive chaos and disruption. So it's better to have one authority controlling all the tax money well i mean if your concern is debtor's prison i mean we still have debtor's prison it's just the irs now that's enforcing it and now i mean people do go to jail for not paying their taxes that is nothing more than a debt people also go to jail by the way for not paying child support i mean there still are forms of debtor's prison i will

say though i think a lot of people overhype the irs like the irs isn't going to lock you up if you owe money well that's true but they'll ruin you but i mean so i know people who have run afoul of the irs with their businesses to large sums of money and a guy showed up and said look here's what happened with your business and the guy was like, I'm broke. And they were like, what can you do? And he's like, I mean, my shop's going under. We have no money. And they were like, all right, well, we'll circle back in a few months, see where you're at,

and maybe there's something you can do. It's like the IRS didn't just show up and be like, cuff them, boys. There have been. I know that there's, yeah, but I also know people whose businesses have been destroyed by the IRS who have gone back 20 years on them. Yeah, I mean, like, it's like, so that's not nothing.

I mean, look, destroying someone's business, as we've learned in the lockdowns, that's not a small thing. These are the type of things that break up families, that lead to suicides, that lead to children being scarred. I mean, it's a very serious thing. And you're right. I mean, yes, there's not like a massive amount of people in jail for not paying their taxes. But if we want to really figure out this experiment, we could make all taxes voluntary tomorrow. And then we would really find out how many people pay them because they're scared of the threat of jail time. And how many people pay them because they don't. And then we could figure it out. So if it would be zero, then what you're conceding is that the reason people pay it is because they're scared of the threat of jail time.

Bro, bro, listen, listen. There's a socialist magazine just fired all its staff because they were trying to form a union. Yeah, God, I love it. We had the Young Turks. The story came out last year. Cenk Uygur was trying to union bust or whatever, was yelling at people. You've got that Bernie Sanders supporting woman. Actually, she's right behind you, Niko Losch.

She bought a million-dollar condo. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to drag the success of these individuals who are progressive. But at the same time, I'll tell you this. I'd be willing to bet those people would not pay taxes if they were given the choice. Yeah. And they would say something like, well, this is the system we're in and I'm just living the way it's supposed to be. The fact that they can find a rationalization in their mind to be whatever I saw one of them where he's like wearing his like eat the rich shirt or something like that and then they show his house.

Oh, that was a song today. Yeah. Like – I mean it's just like come on. The idea that you can justify that hypocrisy again like you. I don't hate any of their success. I actually admire it. I don't agree with their politics, but I admire people who succeed in life. And we should all be inspired by that and learn from that.

Hassan streams like 10 hours a day. Yeah. And so I looked at his numbers, and I'm like, I think he's probably making three, four mil. I could be wrong. It's just an estimate. And I got mad respect for that hustle. Yeah, sure. And I also don't mind someone being a progressive and believing in higher taxes and a welfare state and all that stuff and being rich. But the funny thing about the Hassan situation, for those that aren't familiar, he's like the biggest political streamer on the left probably.

He bought a $3 million house. He's getting roasted by socialists. So Breitbart wrote an article and they were like you know socialist streamer buys three million dollar house and i'm like i mean it's a great story i guess i don't see the criticism i don't i don't know why i'd care he's he's not like advocating for people not to have houses or not be rich he's just very much for heavy taxation and i'm sure he's paying 50 to 60 percent taxes but the socialists are pissed off are they threatening to eat him um they they there was a

they're getting their their bibs on and their forks and they're like no no they're defending him saying that like there's a big difference between jeff bezos and hassan and all that stuff and i that's i get it i'm not going to strawman their argument like there's a big difference between jeff bezos sure and a guy on Twitch. Yeah, I mean, okay, fine. But, you know, if you really have some perspective on the issue, to be someone who, you know, if you're worth $10 million, let's just say, for the sake of argument for this guy, which he's probably at least got a net worth of that much, right?

Let's say his net worth is $10 million. If you have a net worth of 10 million dollars in 2021 in a first world country compare to all of the human beings who have ever existed throughout history you are a level of rich that is could would be magic to 99.99 of human beings who have ever existed just couldn't even conceive kings would have no like no concept of the wealth that you have. So to say, oh, well, I can compare him to Jeff Bezos, and he's not as rich as that guy. I mean, have some perspective.

You're talking about the rich. You are amongst the most wealthy, privileged human beings who have ever existed in this meaty flesh ball circling around the sun that we live on. We went to a mall two weeks ago, like meaty flesh balls circling around the sun that we live on. We went to a mall like two weeks ago and they have in, when you walk in the center is this like, you know, 200 foot tall dome with,

you know, this, this beautiful glass and architecture. And I looked at it and I was like, if a King from like the medieval world saw this, he would say, for what God was this built? And we'd be like,

I'm just getting a mochaccino, dude. I don't know about no gods. Dude, if you could be a king in the 1400s, or be you in this house right now, I bet you would choose being you. I got a toilet, dude! You got a toilet,

if you get a headache, you got some Advil somewhere, I bet. If you want to go downstairs, watch something, you go downstairs, you turn on the big screen TV. If you were a king, you'd some Advil somewhere, I bet. If you want to go downstairs, watch something, you go downstairs, you turn on the big screen TV. If you were a king, you'd have to go downstairs and have some dude tell stories for you. And then the stories might suck and you got to kill that dude and find a new dude to tell you stories. If you want to eat ice cream, they'd have to bring the ice block covered in sawdust and then walk it up and grab the salt and put it in the bowl with the cream and then like use the salt ice and you're sitting there being like i'm gonna have ice cream soon and then it's just like bland sweet like not sweet yeah we've got it's brutal we got ice cream

downstairs it's made from fungus that they took this they genetically modified a fungus to make whey protein and it legit just tastes like regular ice cream but it's made from fungus kings would not fathom a creation of such that's right and it's so back back then too they don't talk about it a lot because they were all it was desensitized to the stink but like if you go to viet the vietnam soldiers came back from vietnam they're like the thing you notice the most is how bad it stinks in vietnam it's hot like hot and it stinks the point that you're touching on though is that and and i agree is that fundamentally there is a difference between like a self-made millionaire that work you know pull themselves up from their boob strats and and the corporatists the problem is and i know this doesn't apply to like jimmy dore and like the the better half of the progressives but the left has become

corporatists and that has been made very clear with these bailouts or not i'm sorry not the bailouts the lockdowns because you know who made out on that and who's who's morally in support of the lockdowns the left this is my thing with like the hassan buying the big house i'm like i'm i'm glad he got a big house i think it's fantastic and you know the socialists who are criticizing him are criticizing him for the wrong reasons criticize the dude because he's an authoritarian you know he's he's pro-government mandate yeah criticize what's wrong with his his policies now I think it's fair to criticize the hypocrisy of people saying, like, the rich need to pay their fair share. And it's so unfair that some people have so much and some people have so little.

If you're going to argue like that, if you're going to argue that employers should be paying their employees a higher wage. Well, look, like, here's my thing, right? If you're saying inequality is a moral outrage and you have a net worth of $10 million, well, you can do something right now in the world for inequality by sharing a whole bunch of your money with other people. And so if you don't, I do think there's a level of hypocrisy that can be criticized for keeping all of this for yourself, living this very comfortable life, and then complaining that others don't share their wealth? Let's break this down real quick as to what we're seeing. Hasan Piker works really, really hard. And through his talent and his drive and his passion,

he has become extremely successful and made a lot of money. To him, he's like, I know I'm rich, but the real problem is that guy. Right below him are the socialists saying, you know, look, we're not wealthy. We're middle class. But that guy and they're pointing at Hassan. So what happens? You have the scale where the poor person with nothing is pointing to the middle class saying these people don't understand what they have.

The middle class people are pointing at Hassan saying, oh, he's exploiting. He doesn't understand what he has. Then people like Ethan Klein and Hassan are pointing at Bezos being like, they're the real problem. The point is, no matter where you are at, they're always pointing at someone who's wealthier than they are saying they're the problem. And someone in sub-Saharan Africa is like, you're all the problem.

I have nothing. It's the folly of the anti-capitalistic mentality. Yeah. Well, that's right. And I think to the point Michael was making before, that there is something that and one of the worst parts I think about the last 20 years particularly, but really, I guess you could say since Jekyll Island, but is that we have this crony corrupt system that we call capitalism. And so, of course, people reject this because they do know on some level that this is unfair. And it is unfair because the whole system is completely rigged by the powerful. And of course, that's true. But it's rigged through primarily government policies, bought and paid for politicians, regulatory capture, a whole series, like an entire system

that rigs the game. And what Michael, I think, was saying is that there is a difference. Somebody who is just successful in the market, who has nothing to do with government connections, they are, whether you like the product that they're selling or not, the people buying it do. That's why they're buying it. They have made their wealth because they provide a product that people want more than their money.

And so they're willing to voluntarily give their money up for that product. The people who make their money because they have some type of government connection, some type of regulatory capture, some type of bought off politician, they make their money because people are forced to pay them for their product. And that is unfair. And in the same sense that we bomb Iraq and call it Operation Iraqi Freedom, well, I wonder why no Iraqi is going to want to buy freedom anymore after that, right? The left has gotten away with calling corporatism or economic fascism capitalism for far too long. And if they just dropped that, they would find out that we're against it too.

There's a great example. Candace Owens tweeted, BlackRock is buying up houses and they're getting money from the government this is communism and then on reddit a bunch of progressives posted that and saying literally capitalism and i'm like yo you're both wrong the point pointing at the communism being like the government giving private institutions free money to manipulate and control the system is not communism and it's not capitalism it's fascism well and you can see where they each have enough of a rationalization to sell it amongst their base right because so so if you just looked at the american system today it's like okay well sean

hannity can sell to his base that this is socialism because look how big the government is and look at the deficit and look at all of this right and look at the deficit and look at all of this, right, and look at the government involvement, right? So he can sell this as socialism. And then, of course, you know, whoever, MSNBC equivalent of that, you know, Rachel Maddow can sell it as this is capitalism because look at the corporate profits and look at all, right? So they each have enough. But what we really, objectively, if you look at the whole picture here, this is not a battle

between, the idea that there's a battle between big government and big business at this time. Like, OK, like we our government is what are they going to spend seven trillion dollars this year? The biggest government that's ever existed in human history. And look at the size of big corporations. They're bigger than ever. OK, so clearly big business loves big government and big government loves big business. This is one conglomerate at this point. And what do you call that? Because there is a term for it, and it's not socialism or capitalism. That's fascism, Dave. Economically.

Mussolini is fascism. The IRS, the International Internal Revenue Service, has been around since 1862. Looks like, what's his name, Abe Lincoln created it probably to fund the war. Fascist. In 1914, there was like a revolution within the Internal Revenue Service. Oddly, right after they formed the Federal Reserve, 1914, or right then when they were forming it, and they created the new income tax. Do you guys know?

I would love to hear from you guys about the history of the IRS a little bit. Yeah, so, well, the income tax. So all of this stuff, right, was under the Woodrow Wilson administration. And, yes, it's certainly not a coincidence, right, that right after, the year after they created the Federal Reserve. Well, then it's like, OK, well, if this Fed is going to lend us our own money that we will now owe them back with interest. We're going to need a little bit of a stream of money coming in. And the way the income tax was sold was that it was only going to apply to the top, top 1% of people.

They sold this as a – this was during the progressive era as it was known and they sold this as a progressive measure. So this is – don't even – listen. This is going to be something that's going to be for the fat cats, the robber barons. It's going to be like 2% of their income. Like we're going to take that and then we'll share it around with everybody, and the rest of us will all be wealthier. This is not going to apply to your average working Joe, of course. They keep saying it.

They won't stop saying the same thing over and over and over again. They're still, to this day, they still use the same. But at the time, it was like, okay, so that's how they got the support, and that's how they got it. So we got the Federal Reserve in play. We got the income tax in play. And three years later, we're in a world war. I mean, you know what the Federal Reserve really is doing.

It's just their legal way of reaching into your bank account and taking your money. That's right. That's all they do. Right. So as the great Ron Paul, happy birthday again, used to always say, right, the real tax is spending. The real tax is government spending. Because when government spends money, what can they do? Well, all they can do is they can either tax the money from you or they can borrow the money, which is just a promise to tax you in the future.

Or they can print the money, which is in effect just taxing you right now or a little bit in the future because it's just robbing the value of your dollar. So when government spends a dollar, they've stolen a dollar from you. Forget taxation is theft. Government spending is theft. And the reason, like, so when we got into World War I, was it 1917 we got into World War I? Okay, so just a few years after this. Then, well, I know the plan for the income tax was just to be for the top 1%, and you weren't going to, but crisis, World War, so now everybody's going to have to pay taxes, and we're going to have to increase the rates. And then, rates and then the crisis will be over soon

except then we have a Great Depression. That's another crisis. We have the Second World War. That's another crisis. And then, oh, by the way, this is just permanent government policy. There is a fee for producing something. Not only is there a fee for you having a job

and being a productive member of society, but you lose any semblance of Fifth Amendment rights to not incriminate yourself. You now have to incriminate yourself every year to the federal government because you are already presumed guilty, presumed a criminal by your own government for the crime of being a productive member of society. Yeah. And what's funny about that is they're supposed to issue a receipt on what your taxes go for. And of course, you're under penalty if you don't comply and there's absolutely no accountability for them if they don't. So and what you were saying as far as income taxes were never supposed to be for the average wage earner, you know, and then you also

pointed out earlier that the suspending of gold was supposed to be temporary. It's just that it's that classic Harry Brown quote of there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program. Yeah. Let them have a little power. They're not giving it back easy. What ends up happening when they start this is it's just for the rich. It's no big deal. It won't affect you.

Well, it's an emergency, so everyone's going to pitch in. Then it's, well, the emergency – we got another emergency. Well, now it's another world war. And then by the time the crisis are finally calming down and you come out and say okay you're appealing this little bit of appealing what yeah well the taxes what do you mean the taxes have always been there well right exactly nobody's got a problem with income tax you're far right right so 10 years ago nine years ago we kill osama bin laden just just now we're pulling out of the war in afghanistan so is it like okay well goodbye tsa no tsa ain't going nowhere man that's the norm now

you're used to that don't ever believe the the lesson here is don't ever believe they're 15 days to flatten the curve on anything because it's never that it's never temporary yeah Afghanistan was another one it was never supposed to be this broad war on terrorism or this 20-year thing supposed to be to go and get the terrorists that knocked down the Twin Towers. Oh, if you look at the AUMA, I mean, the language of it was just to go get the people who knocked down the Twin Towers.

What's AUMA? The authorization of military force. So they didn't declare war. Authorization for use of military force. They didn't declare war. They declared military military force for a constrained mission which was to go get bin laden and the terrorists and that's why you know ron paul actually voted for that because that what is what is what it was supposed to be and then he he also tried to issue uh letters of

marquee and reprisal to basically hire mercenaries to to help these named people, bin Laden, his lieutenants. And that didn't happen. And then they took that inch and ran about 40, 50 miles with it. 20 years with it. Yeah, and it should be noted that they had, look, they had Osama bin Laden in, I think, in November or December of 2001 when they had him pinned in Tora Bora. And they could have killed Osama bin Laden. And they had forces over in Kabul fighting the Taliban. They had forces in the

north, Green Berets in the north that they didn't even call into the action. The forces on the ground were saying, we need reinforcements right here. We've got Osama bin Laden. We could have killed Osama bin Laden in late 2001, been done with the whole thing, called off the entire terror war. And man, what a better world we're living in if that's what we do. And instead, they allowed, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and I really, I'm just speculating, but I lean toward intentionally on this. They allowed him to escape into Pakistan because I'll tell you, look, there's no question that a lot of the people, the forces on the ground were like, there's no, we can block off the Pakistan border right

now and we can get bin Laden. This is easy if you just send us the reinforcements. And they had specifically, the Bush administration had not declared war on Al Qaeda. They had not declared war on the people who did 9-11. They had not even declared war on Afghanistan. They declared war on terrorism, on terror. And they had already had plans to go into Iraq on the pretense that he was working with Osama bin Laden. Now, if you kill Osama bin Laden in December 2001, what really is the motivation to go into Iraq and all of these other wars?

You'd probably lose it. But if he's still out there and he could be working with other people and he could be plotting these things, then you've got 20 years of war. You think if Hillary would have won, we'd be in Iran? I don't know. I think certainly you wouldn't have had the deal. I'm sorry. If Hillary had won, I'm thinking 2008. You're talking 2016?

Right. So if Hillary had won in 2016, I think it's likely she would have wanted to push for it. The problem with the war in Iran is that no matter how many of the blood-soaked monster neocons, and I include Hillary Clinton in that list, won a war with Iran, the actual logistics of doing it are so bad

that many people in the military are like, look, we just can't do a war with Iran. Because Iran is a more serious adversary than any of the countries we picked on in the Middle East right now. They will slaughter U.S. military members all around the Middle East. I want to show people something real quick. We have this map so you can understand. Because a lot of people don't know the geography. Iraq is just to the west of Iran and Afghanistan is to the east.

I don't believe it was a coincidence. We said Iraq and Afghanistan. What was in the middle and what did John Bolton say he wanted to do? He said this time next year we will be celebrating victory in Tehran. We had a pincer attack on Iran, but Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan. It is a mountainous, very well-populated, armed, strong nation. Yeah. But they've wanted to go after Iran for a long time.

Oh, no question. Did you ever see that video from, I think it was around 2003, 2005, you know, fact check me on that, of General Wesley Clark, where he was saying prior to them going into Iraq, they were telling him, we're going into Iraq, and then the plan after that is to go into Venezuela and ultimately Iran. And he named like four or five countries. Seven. Seven countries. He also included Syria in that list.

I think Sudan was in the list as well. Yeah. No, it didn't play out exactly like the plan that he mentioned, but there was certainly something to that and you watch that what real what did happen after uh 9-11 was wars all throughout the middle east i mean wars in you know iraq afghanistan somalia pakistan libya syria with guido yeah well they they yeah but not a you know not a war like we had in these other countries central banks in all these countries well that's they want to get central banks in all these countries. They want to get in there, install the central banking system, get out, and then we won.

We've unified the world through economics. Which goes back to what we were talking about before is that the primary weapon here is debt. Like students, debt. Businesses with the lockdowns, debt. Credit card debt. Everything is debt. And they're getting us to keep feeding them with our productivity by ensnaring us in debt. Yeah, for sure. And that's I'll just say, and don't buy, listen, don't buy their propaganda about this whole thing in Afghanistan. And I hope

that people can can see through it. Like, I'm not saying this isn't kind of ugly Joe Biden's, you know, withdrawal from Afghanistan and that there's not some ugly aspects of it. But just take a step back, zoom out, and peep game. You know what I mean? See what's going on here. When CNN is saying this is a nightmare, oh, this is a tragedy, Joe Biden, oh, what has he done? I'm kind of like, wait a minute. But here's what drives me crazy, right, is that I see these people like right-winger types who, like, I agree with on some stuff, not on others.

But I see Charlie Kirk tweeted something. I think it was him. He tweeted something where he goes, you know, CNN saying something, and they go, he takes it as a dig on Biden. He goes, man, when you've lost CNN, you're really doing bad. It's like, no, Charlie Kirk, you got this game all wrong, man. Why did he lose CNN? Because he ended a freaking war. That's why he lost CNN.

Did Obama lose CNN when he destroyed Libya? Oh, no, that wasn't a problem. See, all of a sudden, the corporate press has these deep, passionate, humanitarian impulses. All of a sudden, there's this moral outrage about the innocent people in Afghanistan. We have started wars in about six or seven different countries that have led to millions of innocent people being slaughtered. Not a peep out of the corporate press, not a peep as in Yemen, babies are vomiting to death by the hundreds of thousands because of the US-backed Saudi war in Yemen. Not a peep out of the corporate pressS.-backed Saudi war in Yemen. Not a peep out of the corporate press, but all of a sudden they're the humanitarians.

The one time we end a war. And when was the other time they became big humanitarians? When Donald Trump tried to end the war in Syria. Oh, the Kurds. What about the Kurds? See through this, man. But do you remember what the media said when Trump fired 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria? It's presidential.

Exactly. Is this the time Trump has become a president? That's right. So don't. They also cheered the assassination of Soleimani. That's right. Don't. Maybe it's just a wild coincidence that every time it's within the military industrial complex's interests, the corporate press becomes humanitarian.

And when it's in their interests, they look the other way and don't care. So that's all I'm saying. Now, listen, by the way, for anyone out there, Joe Biden is the architect of some of the worst policies in modern American history. He is an evil person, and he is very responsible directly for the war on terrorism, particularly the war in Iraq under George W. Bush that he championed and voted for. OK. And he's also just an embarrassing, like elderly, you know, incompetent person. But this is this is not what it appears to be. You were saying something before the show about, you know, if you know, when we plot of a war, they're going to make sure it's bad. Like, yeah, people are in the future. They're going to be like, well, if we do pull our troops out of Iraq, I mean mean remember what happened afghanistan oh you know we don't know and so i i was thinking about

this people need to understand it's only been a couple presidents george w bush starts a war obama takes it runs with it trump says i'm ending this biden then says i'm gonna follow through which is a good thing but i I 100% believe if Donald Trump kept troops at 15,500, Joe Biden wouldn't be talking about it at all. It's because Trump was drawing down the troops and they were freaking out. And then Biden comes in and he's like, how do we get more troops in? So pay attention now, because we can sit here and be like, it's a good thing he's ending this war, but they're sending more troops in already. Well, here's the thing. I really do believe, and I had that attitude too, when Biden first pushed back the date

because Donald Trump organized a ceasefire with the Taliban, negotiated a ceasefire and a withdrawal date, which was in March. I believe it was early in March of this year. Biden came in and said- It was supposed to be May 1st. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's right. It was May in March of this year. Biden came in and said it was supposed to be May 1st. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's right.

It was May 1st. Biden came in and pushed it back to September 11th. I think at the time I thought he was just bailing on the whole thing. I was like, he's not going to pull out at all. But then I guess it was just for political reasons to be like, well, we can't I can't just say I did Trump's thing. I have to do it my own way and make it more, you know, like on an important day, September 11th. But the reality of the situation is that with the troop levels that we had in under Trump, and even with these troops that Biden sent in to kind of help with the evacuation

process, the thing is this, right? A lot of people and a lot of people in the corporate press, they kind of create this false narrative where they say, well, I mean, maybe we could just leave the troops in there now, like the level we have now, and it wouldn't be this unstable. And look, there hasn't really been an American casualty there for like the last couple of years. But what they don't acknowledge is that the reason there hasn't been an American casualty, the reason things have been stable is because Donald Trump negotiated a ceasefire contingent on us leaving. If Biden were to say we're not leaving now and stay in at this point, the Taliban runs that country. We will need. Listen, we couldn't beat him with well over 100000 troops that Barack Obama had there. So if we want to go back to this war now, it will be a bloodbath unless we're willing to send in another hundred thousand troops,

in which case we will drive the guerrilla Taliban's back out into the mountains. They'll sit there for another decade. We'll draw down and they'll come back and take over again. So what do you want to do, guys? So I think that just out of practicality, I think this war is over. I don't think there's anything they could do that's not going to be a worse disaster at this point. And there's just no public appetite for it, I don't think, anymore. You know, I do, in the midst of that, though, I do want to kind of draw a distinction between the ending of a war and the withdrawing of troops, because even as the troops were being

withdrawn under Trump, drone bombings went up now the point still stands that as the drone bombings went up we didn't win the war you know they still didn't do anything so we have to get out completely and it's at the point now where when you've got you know three trillion dollar spending bills all these bailouts and stuff like ron paul always said um empires end for financial reasons and you know we might not we might be right on the moral issue we might be right on the constitutional issue but apparently nobody cares um we will be right and we and they will understand eventually on the financial aspect just one one quick other thing too is that this is not the disaster yet maybe it will be but it's not what everyone's pretending it is in Afghanistan. They're acting like ISIS just

seized western Iraq and that they're cutting people's heads off. That the Taliban is slaughtering people. So far, it's like, look, there's some ugly things. People are dying. Yes, no, there have been some people dying. But I'm saying it's not like the Taliban have been rolling in and just slaughtering everybody. So far, it's kind of like, eh, it's an ugly withdrawal.

It's not like some unbelievable nightmare like many other of these situations have been. The Taliban is posting Chad memes. Like, they're on, like, a PR They're bad people, but by the way, so were a lot of the warlords that we propped up to fight the Taliban.

Well, let's talk about long-term solutions. Alright? The Republican Party doesn't do anything. I mean, they sit around. You got a handful of people, you know, obviously Rand Paul. I'm a big fan. And Thomas Massey is pretty good. But for the most part, what is it? A speed bump for Democrats. And you got the Democratic Party, which are just like take and steal whatever you can. And then you've got the the Lulbertarians of the Libertarian Party. You've got a lot of we're familiar, weird tweets. And I've never honestly taken the Libertarian Party seriously, even though... Neither did I for most of my Libertarian life. Right, right. And so then I started hearing more and more about what you guys were doing.

I saw more videos from you. We had you on the show several times, and I'm like, can you guys build together something that actually functions as a legitimate alternative for regular Americans who are just fed up? Well, so right there, what you just said is almost exactly like the idea here, right? That it's like, well, look, we recognize what's happening here. So the Democratic Party is just so laughably beyond hope at this point. It's now become a mix of the home for neocons, corporatists, and their useful, woke idiots. Like that is basically the Democrats from top to bottom at this point.

There is almost... It's like a Cronenberg monster. Yeah, it's just... It's beyond even discussing. The Republican Party has really... I mean, I think we see what it is. I mean, the rank and file, there are certainly some people there who are really like... And I will say in the Democrats, there are some rank and file people who like Tulsi and Bernie for the right reasons, too.

So I shouldn't be too hard on them. The rank and file like voters in the Republican base, they really have rejected the neoconservatives. But they both see, hey, if you like Tulsi, well, how is she going to be treated by this party? Hey, if you like Bernie, how is he going to be treated by this party? If you like Donald Trump, how is he treated by his own party? He had to win in such a landslide to even take that thing over.

And by the way, I am no fan of Donald Trump, but he was completely boxed in by his own government, his entire presidency. The man was framed for treason by his own deep state. So what are really like,

and the truth is, even if Donald Trump were to win and not be boxed in is, even if Donald Trump were to win and not be boxed in, or even if Bernie Sanders were to win and not be boxed in, they're both so ideologically wrong on so many issues that they wouldn't even know the best way to take on the federal government. The reality is that what we need is a mass awakening of American people to understand, to all be together on what the problems are. We don't have to agree on everything, but we can agree on the most basic things, which is that the government needs to stop doing the evil things that are destroying the country.

And to me, the Libertarian Party, you're right, there are some Lulberts there, and there are also some really good people in the Libertarian Party. I would say most. I was specifically referring to the Lulbertarians as kind of a weight on the libertarians. But the thing is that the vast majority – like you had talked about before that you ran a poll a couple years ago. Your audience and the vast majority of your audience. Not majority. The biggest demographic.

The plurality thought of themselves as libertarian. And there's all these people. The libertarian party is way smaller than the libertarian movement yes than the liberty movement and so we're like look there is this party here that claims to be about libertarian principles the beautiful ron paul principles that we stand for and there's way more of us so if we want to all join this party we can actually make this a force for the most beautiful political philosophy in human history, which is that of individual liberty. And that really does solve so many of the problems that the country faces today.

And that's basically the thing, is that we want to save the nation by destroying the government and the government policies that are destroying the nation. It's a malice quote from I forget what podcast, but he's like, I hate the government because I love the country. Yeah. Now – Oh, go ahead. Well, I was going to speak to what you said because it's interesting. Like you kind of in a way proved his point with you're saying like, oh, I love Thomas Massey.

I love Rand Paul. Obviously we all love Rand Paul. None of these – and these are the biggest libertarian let's say stars in the country. That's we all love Ron Paul. None of these. And these are the biggest libertarian, let's say, stars in the country. That's where all the support is. But the thing is that's important to recognize in that is that that is what the majority of libertarians are like. They're more attuned to that. So the problem is, is that the institution has been captured by a small number of people because it was essentially given away apathy so we're just bringing that movement back into the party to actually represent it which is run now i want to say one thing there's probably a lot of people that are just like

i don't care about politics i don't care about democrats republicans or libertarians to them i say wouldn't you like to see press secretary michael malice just because it would be funny but that's another so this is another thing that kind of – I would. Well, absolutely, and this is another thing that we kind of, as the Mises Caucus, bring to the table that is not currently on the table within the Libertarian Party, which is that the libertarians need to become a cultural movement and have something to say there and have a narrative to write there, and that's what's going to draw people

in. Right now, the party is mired in this idea that, well, we're just here to elect candidates and then they don't even do that. So it's like, what's your pitch? And we are out here. So like, for example, we, the Mises Caucus, we have, we're supporting health freedom rallies. You know, we're supporting like nurses that are being threatened with the mandate. We just produced a documentary following, well, our California crew produced a documentary

following three business owners as the lockdowns came in and they were resisting. Excellent documentary. Yeah, and we got an anti-war rally going on on 9-11 in DC, stopthedamwars.org or endthedamwars.org. And we're trying to actually get into the culture. And I would say you are a big part of that because, like, where I think libertarians are going to gain the most ground is in the dissident communities.

You know, the media is not up for grabs or the audience that is listening to the legacy media is not up for grabs. But it's got to be libertarians. And I don't mean big L libertarian, like the Libertarian Party. Yeah. up for grabs. But it's got to be libertarians. And I don't mean big L libertarian, like the Libertarian Party. I just mean on the spectrum, because even the problem I have with left libertarians as a compass faction, you need only look at political

compass memes on Reddit to understand the problem we have right now. Whenever they make a meme, they show the tankies, the authoritarian communist types in the authoritarian left, they show Nazis in the authoritarian right, and caps in the libertarian right, and the woke in the authoritarian left. They show Nazis in the authoritarian right, ANCAPs in the libertarian right, and the woke in the libertarian left, which makes literally no sense

because woke people are dogmatic authoritarians. It's cancel culture. It's do it or else. It's we want you to believe our thing. Otherwise, you're bad and wrong. It's not libertarian at all. Well, yeah, and just the fundamental underpinnings of, say, like critical race theory. Critical race theory.

Sorry, but it kind of works. Yeah. But like the philosophical underpinnings of critical race theory are completely incompatible with any type of market system at all. I mean, they will actually tell you that meritocracy itself is racist or that liberal economies, meaning in the classical liberal sense, are racist. But check it out. Here's the thing about left libertarianism. Left libertarianism is cooperative libertarianism. Right is competitive. So the reason why I think right libertarianism is outsized is because it's really easy to have a very large system where it's like, that's a fine beer you've got. I will trade you this rock.

And then we come to an agreement. Cooperation outside of an exchange of value is very, very difficult. So left libertarianism is crippled. But this idea that left libertarians are the woke, you know, Bernie Sanders, Democrat, that is not true. Bernie Sanders was maybe. But the problem is, ultimately, we were talking, I think we talked about this with Vosh. He's a socialist. We had him on our bonus segment.

We talked about this. A left libertarian system, like the true libertarian freedom, is like 10 people on a farm who have agreements and they can solve their problems very easily among each other. But once you try and scale up to two different communities that don't agree and you have no means by which to exchange value and have a trade, then you get authoritarianism when one side says do it or else. Right, exactly. So what it comes down to really is like – by the way, there are some really good left libertarians out there who I have no problem with.

And if you basically say – if you come to the conclusion of voluntar volunteerism which many of them do where it's kind of like okay well if you guys don't want to be a part of this or you guys want to go be you know competitive or whatever the thing is which i don't even think exactly describes our type of libertarianism it's it's an aspect of it but that as long as you're okay with that and not forcing other people in then to me we're all kind of the same thing and you're just putting emphasis on different areas. You can go have your commune on a farm. No libertarian like me or Michael is going to advocate for stopping you from doing that. The presupposition is you own a farm, property.

Right. Like how did you get that farm? Did you take that from someone? Did you see the meme? Someone tweeted, what are you going to do once communism is accomplished and then someone responded with probably study a bit more hang out with my friends teach people how to you know grow food on my farm maybe hang out on sundays and then someone responded with your farm have these people ever looked at a communist country right because you you you don't own it

right it is owned by the greater and that means everyone is subjugated. Yeah, look, I mean, that type of system, every time it's been tried, has been not just like hasn't worked out well. It works out really, really disastrously bad. But this is my – here's the thing. If you truly were – this is why the left libertarian on the internet and how they they portrayed us completely wrong. Because if you were left libertarian, you would be cheering for right libertarians because you all agree, leave each other alone unless you come to an agreement. So when I saw Ron Paul, I was like, works for me. He's going to leave me and my friends alone, and we'll go have our little hippie commune,

and then we can do our thing. A couple things. In my experience, a lot of times left libertarians, like you use the word cooperation. I would argue that free markets are cooperation and they naturally produce hierarchies. And a lot of times left libertarians want to flatten those hierarchies, which is just against nature. Yeah, no, 100 percent. So I think that's exactly right. So if you think about, say, like someone operating within a free market or some type of business or something like that, you could describe it as competition. So you could say right now that this show is in competition with other shows.

And there is some degree of truth to that. I mean someone is choosing right now to watch this show rather than watching some other show. So you're competing with them. But to just describe what you do as competition, it's like, well, I don't know. You are in a cooperative agreement with everybody who's here to come and do the show. And you're going to come and you're going to do this and they'll come in. And well, you are in a cooperative agreement with the travel accommodations made for everybody to get here. You're in a cooperative agreement with your sponsors. You're in a cooperative agreement with the people you buy the equipment from. So to me, I see a lot more cooperation than I do competition. It's not that that's not there, but all of it is involved. But so I don't think it's like it's not one or the other.

Right. Exactly. So the question becomes like, how are we going to relate to each other? But ultimately, my point was the true rare left libertarians who tend to be the politically homeless should be paying attention to what you guys are doing. Agreed. Because if we can all agree we're going to be left alone, we can all – look, Ron Paul said he's like, you can have your own socialist commune within a libertarian system. Why aren't you doing it? You know what made me an ANCAP? What's that? I interviewed Ron Paul.

I organized a rally at every Federal Reserve building simultaneously, and that earned me a private interview with Ron Paul. And I was struggling with the whole thing at that time, and I said, Ron, in a free society, do you think capitalism and socialism could, if it was voluntary, run parallel to each other? Sure, why not? That was his answer. I was like, huh. I think they have to. You know, it's because if you're born into a system like this where it's, like, you know, competition, cooperation, but then Google has monopolized an aspect of society, how do you use the – you've got to use the government to break that up, in my opinion. If you guys have other ideas around that, let me know.

Well, I think it's the taking away of the free market that's produced that because it's the collusion between governments. So what is the incentive for them to break it up? You know what I mean? They're the ones who are getting, that are colluding with those corporate entities. So what we need is more freedom, not necessarily more government busting up of the corporations, at least in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that it's hard to make the case. You know, there's this tendency, I think, when a problem is very hard to solve. And that's not to downplay what the problem is. But there's this tendency to say when there's a problem, well, let's just have government

do it. But OK, all government has done is made Google stronger and stronger. Like Michael was saying, they have no interest in breaking Google up. Now, if you think the easier thing to do is overtake the government, get really good people elected there, and then break them up in the best interest of the people, I'm

highly skeptical that we'll be able to do that. Well, that's it, right? But what you just kind of indicated there is you actually want less government control control that you want to actually break their software code, not let them have protection under the law. And you know what I mean? So that like that's my thing. Now, a lot of libertarians will make these really stupid arguments that like tech censorship and tech monopolies aren't a big problem.

You know, that's just the market. That is really stupid. It is a major, major threat. And it's a big problem. You know, that's just the market. That is really stupid. It is a major, major threat. And it's a big problem. And let me say also to Michael's point, a lot of these things, and this is something that I think is done on the left a lot, right? I remember one time, just quick, very quick anecdote, that Bernie Sanders was criticizing Ron Paul. And he said, this was on MSNBC, and they played a clip of Ron Paul where he said, Ron Paul was like, well, what if somebody doesn't buy insurance

and then they get in a motorcycle accident? Are you telling me that they just have to beg for charity or something? And Ron Paul goes, look, that's what freedom's all about. You take your own risks. You make your own choices. You can ask for help,

but you don't get to force people to help you. And Bernie Sanders, it cuts back to Bernie Sanders and Bernie Sanders goes, listen, I like Ron Paul. I think he's a nice guy. But that's what he believes. He believes people shouldn't get medical care, that they just shouldn't get it. Now, meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is a career politician. Ron Paul is a medical doctor who worked at a church and never turned anyone away for a dollar an hour when he was young. Okay? So here's the thing.

It's nice to just say, oh, government has to do this thing, and then feel like the humanitarian in the room. But the reality is that we need to get on the ground and change the culture in a lot of these areas. A lot of the stuff, and this is what Michael was getting at before, a lot of this stuff with the tech censorship is that we have kind of given up on this culture of free speech. Not just, and I don't mean the First Amendment. I mean like free speech, what the First Amendment was alluding to. Well, hold on.

Hold on. This is very important. The concept of free speech as we know it is new. George Carlin got arrested for saying naughty words. That is true. It was, what was it, Brandenburg v. Ohio? Was that the case? I'm not sure.

In the 60s where we finally said, oh, actually, you can yell fire in a crowded theater. That's wrong. Right, right. And people have never learned the truth. You can. And Lenny Bruce got arrested too. Yeah. Something happened in the 90s and 2000s where we were like free speech.

Family guys, South Park, Simpsons, they were just like, we're going to make a whole bunch of off-color jokes and people are going to roll with it and have a good time. And now – so I genuinely believe – Yeah, and to your point back then, even right in the 90s, they would have those shows like you would see like on those kind of like trashy talk shows during the day where they'd have like – Yeah, they'd have – but I mean when they'd have like – they'd have KKK guys come on. They'd have like all these guys. And there was kind of a spirit of like, all right, I think what you're saying is awful, but let's debate it and let's hammer it out and let's see what – you know what I mean? I wanted to wrap up that point. What we're seeing right now from the Democrats and the progressives is a reactionary movement, and I mean reactionary in the sense that they are opposed to progress. They like to claim they're progressives.

They're not, and I'll explain. Critical race applied principles hates the civil rights movement. Yeah, Derek Bell has criticized the end of segregation. This is one of the prominent preeminent critical race theorists. They do not like the changes that came about and they want to switch it back to the way things were 50 some odd years ago. They don't like the changes we've gained with free speech. They don't like the fact that with the internet, we got even freer speech, and it was crazy. So they are coming into power. They are pro-corporatist, or you've got the progressives who are just siding with the establishment, and they're trying to rewind the clock on freedom of speech and civil rights. In California, they had a proposition in

November that would have stripped the civil rights provision from their constitution. And California voted very, very slim, but they voted no. It was close. These progressives and Democrats are actively saying anti-discrimination laws are bad. Ibram Kendi is saying he wants discrimination. This is reactionary. Reactionary literally means they want to oppose the revolution. Identitarian law was the law of the world for thousands of years, and it was only until the U.S. said civil rights were going to enforce this. And it was long and hard fought. Freedom of speech. Only since, like, the Vietnam protests and everything have we actually gained real freedom of speech throughout the past several decades. They are taking all of that back.

They are authoritarians. Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. And they would oppose any reform that still keeps the system going because that by its very nature is white supremacy. This is like what the belief is. bad we shouldn't we shouldn't be having these wars what what american for the most part is going to be like i disagree there's some sure the neocon types i suppose but regular working americans overwhelmingly are going to be like i have no idea why we're doing it and stuff yeah and why am i paying taxes for this most of them don't even know about half the wars i mean most of them don't even know we have a war in somalia or in yemen they don't know about yemen is like probably the worst thing that's happening in the world right now. Nobody even knows about it. The greatest starvation of any human history, I think.

At least the past hundred years. Wasn't it WikiLeaks that revealed a lot of the stuff with Yemen? The Cablegate stuff? They revealed a bunch of stuff going on in Yemen, but that was, I believe, before the actual worst of it, which was really when the Saudis went to war with the Houthis. The point I wanted to make with this is that not everybody's going to agree with everything you guys are for. But it seems like what you guys are for is what most people would say, hey, that's better

than the alternative, and it's at least something for the people. So what does the media say? What is their response? How do they answer what it is you guys are doing? I mean, they'll probably use every media trick that they use. You know, I mean, that that's like, I think, to be assumed at this point, you know, look, when if you get close to being a threat to to the establishment, you always are, you know, whether it was Tulsi Gabbard was a Russian agent, right? There's a Russian asset or something. And Bernie Sanders was leading a group of brown shirts.

And Donald Trump, of course, was the worst Nazi because he actually won. Right. So the but I think that Americans are becoming aware enough and cynical enough to kind of realize. And this is part of the reason why the corporate press is more and more desperate and erratic and irrational is that they're losing their grip on power that people you can only do this so many times where you call anyone who's a threat to you like a nazi before people start to to wake up to this and i did i saw a poll the other day that said that you know two-thirds of the american people say we never should have uh should have fought the war in afghanistan and that's pretty powerful stuff, man. The longest war in our history, over a trillion dollars, something like a couple hundred thousand people killed. Let me ask you guys a question real quick, though. How would you rate the current state of the national economy?

Bad. Yeah, I mean, like on the precipice of disaster. So I love this metric. I've been using it for the past week. Independent voters, the plurality say the economy is fairly bad. Republican voters, the plurality says the economy

is very bad. In both groups, it's overwhelming majority saying the economy is very bad. Republicans, 73% say it's in the bad category. For independent voters, it's 67%. What do you think Democrats think? I don't know.

I already know the answer. The poor Audi says it's eh, okay. The majority says the economy is fairly good. How is that possible? I bring that up because what I think it represents is there are a group of people living in the matrix.

The media tells them everything's fine. You are happy. Everything's good. They believe it. The Council of Foreign Relations, man. The media comes out and says the war is a disaster and Biden looks bad, and these people are the ones sitting there gobbling it all up. It's a coordinated media campaign, that's for sure. Well, to answer the question that you said earlier,

what would happen, like what would the media's response be if we blew up? I don't think we have to speculate. Like, we have some experience with this with Ron Paul and, believe it or not, Gary Johnson. Now, Gary Johnson, in my opinion, they used him as a tool. And Johnson, because he didn't have the strength of principle that Ron and the courage and the consistency that Ron did, he allowed himself to be used as a tool.

So what I mean by that is everyone kind of goes back to Gary Johnson and the whole Aleppo moment. But before that, relatively speaking, he was being given fair and consistent coverage by Libertarian Party standards. And then what happened is – now, I'm thinking that what they thought is – so conventional wisdom is that the Libertarians pull more from the Republican than the Democrat. That's actually not true. It's pretty even actually. But then the polling started to show that he's hurting Hillary a little bit more. And that's when the Aleppo thing happened. That's when the fangs came out because you know he was he was peaking at 12 in the polling yeah at one point and and so for for

people who don't know how the debate commission works basically the debate commission gets to pick five polls you have and you as a libertarian have to score 15 across three of them and that's what gets you in the debates which is is a frigging crazy bar. And he was actually on the precipice of doing that. It looked like he was hurting Hillary more. Then the votes came out and everything changed. But let's be honest. The Aleppo moment was his fault.

Oh, yeah. You want to know how I always explain this? Ask me about Aleppo. What's Aleppo? Well, look, look, I'm not here to talk about Aleppo. I want to keep it focused on America and jobs. And I think the American people aren't concerned about things like Aleppo. What's Aleppo? Well, look, I'm not here to talk about Aleppo. I want to keep it focused on America and jobs, and I think the American people aren't concerned about things like Aleppo.

You're a great politician. Exactly. Dude, I'll give you the better one of that. I mean, that was a way better way to handle it, but do you remember, this shows you how much confidence and just not giving in to the narrative that you've been defeated is. there was this one

moment in the debates it was my favorite moment in the debates with donald trump this is back when there were all the republicans and they asked donald trump about the tpp the trans-pacific partnership and he goes the major problem in the trans-pacific partnership is that it doesn't address china's currency manipulation okay if you don't address china's currency manipulation you can't get anywhere it goes on this whole thing about china's currency and then ran paul just raises his hand and he goes shouldn't someone point out that china's not involved in the tpp and donald trump goes ran paul why are you way over there what are you at like one percent like you midget or something and then it was just like this you just move away from it you're like i guess trump won that

exchange i don't know like what even though he – like you could be wrong and all – listen, Gary Johnson could have been like, I'm sorry, what is Aleppo? And they go, Aleppo, Syria. And he goes, oh, OK. Well, the crisis in Aleppo, Syria is that – but if he had just demonstrated after that that he knew three things about Syria, he would have been fine. But he just kind of started apologizing and it was just bad politics. He's a good guy, by the way, Gary Johnson. Yeah. Have you guys ever seen the Feature Alm episode where they unthaw the 80s businessman? No. So Fry, he's like, I'm from the era, same as you. So he likes him and he invites him into Planet Express and he tells Fry, he's

like, what do you do when someone asks about something you don't know? Don't tell me about X. I'll tell you about X. X is not the problem or something like that. Just like politician answers. It's beautiful. I actually think the Gary Johnson thing is a really good cautionary tale on how to deal with this stuff because compare it to Ron Paul in 2012. The main thing that they tried to do with Ron Paul in 2012 was block him out and act like he didn't exist. He was getting first, second place in

all the straw polls he was dominating, especially the online ones, but then he was actually looking like he was going to win Iowa and New Hampshire, and they just said, well, first place is such and such, and third place is, and just completely wrote him out. But what that served to do is inflame the grassroots

that much more. And the media can never admit that it's wrong, so it starts this cycle. And it's the same thing that happened with Jordan Peterson. You go out there and you say the truth. You say some bold shit that's true. And then the media wants to destroy you for doing that, for going against their narrative. And then if you just play it right, you will get free free press trump did it in a in a two but in a different way they will just continually in their inability to admit that they're wrong go after you again and again and again and again and and

you can you know snowball off that whereas johnson i think was happy just to be on the media and and that allowed him to be their tool which they were happy to do and then they turned on him when it looked like it wasn't going the way that they anticipated. We've got a really simple solution for this. It's just send in Michael Malice. Oh, yeah. That will always be our solution tactically. Whenever in doubt, we hit the Malice button. But people need to understand Michael is a genius.

It's not just about his comedic wit. Smart guy, Michael. We're big fans. It's that he just knows so much. He's got a good memory. He's not just about his comedic wit. Smart guy, Michael, we're big fans. It's that he just knows so much. He's got a good memory. He's got a good wit. He's got a good understanding of history and philosophy. He would run circles around these people. Oh, yeah.

No, that is our ace in the hole, is Michael Malice. No, listen, but that is also, there's something to the fact that, and I've done a fair amount of cable news shows and um there are exceptions to this there are some some really smart and like impressive people in cable news but they're few and far between and the vast majority of people on there it is astounding how little

they know how how weak their arguments are i mean these are people like i'd say the majority of people that you see on cable news straight up could not do a show like this. Like they couldn't do a show where you were just asking them about like, oh, well, what happened in 1914 or what happened? They don't know stuff. And I'm not claiming to be the expert who knows everything. But like Michael Malice knows way more than like 99% of them do. And they may look at him and be like, oh, this guy's a troll and he's being a clown, but that clown is smarter than any of you guys. And so, but this is an interesting thing too

that's different than the Ron Paul days. It's different than 2008, 2012. There weren't shows like this and Rogan and a whole bunch of other big people who are big. Yeah, like these are huge platforms that have very in-depth, interesting, serious conversations that reach audiences that are actually quite a bit bigger than a lot of the corporate press audiences. And that is a whole new, like, tool that if we really want to change something in this country, we'd be crazy to not recognize that there's a whole different playing field. By the way, that's, I think, a big part of the reason why the whole corporate press is freaking out about fake news and why we have to crack down on all these voices. Because for the first time, I think, really ever, they've lost their monopoly.

They now have real competition. There's some university who did like a study or whatever, and they claimed that I'm a super – I was a super spreader of election disinformation on Twitter. And I just find that so ridiculous because my Twitter is just – it's not a serious display of news. It's like I once tweeted, what's the greatest band and why is it Radiohead? And then a bunch of people got mad. And then I said the Foo Fighters are the greatest band of all time and then people are like i don't i don't use twitter in a way that but i guess that's their argument aha that proves it he just is posting garbage on twitter that makes no sense but they put me in the same category as like sydney powell and lynn wood

and i'm like i was telling i was saying those people were wrong the entire time it's it's this what i think is with with the smear pieces that come out against me, they're scared of one very, very big thing. A lot of these big, even right-wing shows, they have funding. Somebody stepped up and said, we've got a ton of money. We can give you money to help you grow. We don't have that. We just have the people who are members at TimCast.com. So it's literally just the people.

And we don't have donors that are just like mysteriously giving us large sums of money. It doesn't exist. It's all from those. I'll do the Bernie Sanders. Our average contribution is $10. And that's making this whole thing possible. That, I think, is a problem that they're not going to the establishment will not be able to solve for. Because like you mentioned to all these other shows, how do you just stop them?

Well, they're censorship for sure. So they can certainly excise certain political opinions. But the stuff we're talking about, it's not controversial. People don't like war and conflict and theft and and lockdowns and banker bailouts and corporate bailouts and militarized police and the idea of the war on terrorism being turned inward against the American people. Even if you even if you really don't like Republicans. I mean, Democrats like Democratic voters.

Wake up, man. The Republicans were the ones who supported the war on terrorism. And now they are the targets of the war on terrorism. Do you really want to be the next people who support the war on terrorism? You think you won't be the next targets of it, too? Like there are so many issues here. And I think to your point tim even if they were able to like even if they were able to like get you booted off of all media platforms or god forbid something more authoritarian like they you know some real crazy they snatch you up

and get and you know you throw you in some prison and torture you know whatever they could do they could show what do they do to your giant giant audience who wants this type of stuff? But you think anyone who listens to this show is then going to go turn on Don Lemon and watch him? And I'm not even saying like, you know what I mean? Like it's not that like, oh, my God, you're the greatest journalist in the world. It's like you're a journalist and he's not. He's a propagandist. Like that's just not anyone who's watching this show is thinking.

They might be disagreeing with everything I'm saying. They might be disagreeing with everything you're saying. But they're thinking. When you watch Don Lemon, it's there to go, fill me with fluff so I can feel like I did my part by knowing what's going on in the world. They're not going back into the matrix. The people who watch this show or any of the real alternative media stuff. Fox News called

me an investigative journalist because I made some phone calls. Don't buy the propaganda. No, no, no. Positive or negative. This is how crazy things are. A lot of these smears against me will say, like, Tim Pool's not a journalist. And I usually just say I'm like a commentator. But I do journalism. I literally fact check all day every day and i make phone calls i

call i call for comments and so when the vaccine mandate thing happened i called the city to get i tried going to the mayor's office they don't have they have like an email web portal it doesn't barely works and so i i called the city they said no medical exemptions i started calling various restaurants they said no medical exemptions. And Fox was like investigative journalist, Tim Pool. And you know what? I appreciate the compliment or the statement of the work I'm doing. But because these people in media don't do that anymore to a great degree, don't get me wrong. There's a lot of great journalists on the ground in conflict doing investigative work. There's a lot of nonprofits that do it. But much of the New York media

environment won't even make a phone call. And I'll give you a really good example. Did you guys hear about Mayo Gate? No. So this is probably a bit esoteric for this show, but there was a story I saw go viral because the North Carolina GOP tweeted out a quote from a restaurant where they said, I'm paying $200 more per week in mayonnaise. And they said, Bidenflation hits North Carolina. Because the Republicans tweeted it out, the they said, Biden inflation hits, you know, North Carolina because the Republicans tweeted it out. The left said there's no possible way someone's spending $200 a week in mayonnaise. They said if the consumer price index is a 5.4% increase, that means they'd have to be spending $3,700 on mayonnaise per week for there, for there to be a $200 increase. This is ridiculous.

Huffington post independent, N100, they all write it up saying something's wrong in Mayo Town. This restaurant accused of lying. You know what I did? I called the restaurant. And a guy answered the phone and I said, I see a quote from you in the press that you are spending $200 a week in mayonnaise because of inflation. And he went, oh yeah, so we go through about um you know uh 10 five gallon buckets per week they used to be 18 now they're about 36 so you know you do the math and i was like oh okay and he goes yeah we we use it for our dressings and our sauces and it's in recipes so we kind of go through a lot and i said what's the capacity of your restaurant is it 250 i was

like that's a lot of people for any one time so you imagine you go to a sunday afternoon restaurant there's a 20 minute wait because they're full. You got 250 people. They all get mayo on their burger. They all get ranch dressing on their salads. So that's how much mayo they use. These media outlets, if you can even call them that, didn't even make the phone call to ask.

They saw a tweet and said, let's attack these people. What happened? They sent a harassment campaign at the restaurants of people saying, you're Republican shills, you're lying about Biden. One story actually accused the restaurant of blaming biden when the restaurant was literally just giving one simple quote saying yes our prices have gone up thank you it's really unbelievable that story is a microcosm of what needs to be done frankly like journalism well not just journalism but you took initiative and you did this one

little thing and through that got the bottom got to the bottom of that story and and right now our society is having a serious dearth of courage and and and and action so like i if i may i kind of want to take it because what started this whole sprawling conversation was you saying long-term solutions like like long-term what do we do um i think you're starting to see the beginning of what has to be done with all of these parents going to the school board meetings. Yeah, that's beautiful, man. To stop these mask mandates. But that's the thing. NCRT.

Well, NCRT. But you see – so like the conversation is around the national news so much. And who's producing the national news story? The mainstream media. Who do they serve? The government. So like, we're kind of chasing a tail by doing that when really the action is in the states and the localities. And there is a lot of action going on there. And one person can have an impact by going locally. I mean, a little story just in my personal experience, I know, you know, given the vaccine mandates and everything, weed isn't the

biggest issue here. But like, I'm just saying, I as, you know, given the vaccine mandates and everything, weed isn't the biggest issue here. But, like, I'm just saying, I, as one person, went to two city council meetings where I live in Norristown, Pennsylvania. Had a conversation with my chief of police. Said, what's going on with decriminalization of weed? And he said, you know what? I don't know, but it's time. It needs to be done. I went and got some draft legislation.

Switched out the city of Lancaster with the municipality of Norristown. Gave it to the city council. Told them, hey, you guys are all Democrats. The Democrat Party of Pennsylvania has weed legalization in their platform. Shouldn't take me, some random libertarian dude, coming in here and being like, let's get this done. This is a slam dunk. A couple months later, it was decriminalized. There you go.

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right that the only place that you're going to make a real difference politically is locally at this point. The whole, particularly the federal government apparatus, is designed, like as you were saying, Jekyll Island, right, by design is there to protect the powerful. It's not there in the interest of the people or of liberty. But I just think that, like you said, it's like that stuff that's going on at local levels, especially there's something to me really powerful about the parents showing up to these meetings and just saying, we're not taking this anymore. I mean, like how, what type of level, like, you know, do you get to like, there's got to be a line somewhere, right? Like, I'll tell you for me personally, I mean mean my my kids like my wife's pregnant now and i got a two and a half year old so they're a little

bit younger than this you know being in this world yet like they're still i i still protected them protecting them completely but the idea that you're gonna mask up my child and then teach them race essentialism um no and like like uh over my dead body like i mean like literally if there's if anything is worth dying over that is worth dying over like you you know forget the like you know you'll pry my gun from my cold dead hands like you'll pry my kid from my cold dead hands there is no chance i'm going to let allow my kid to be propagandized in the most abusive manner. I just don't know how, you know, and it's really heartening to see parents standing up against that. Well, let's go to Super Chats.

Yes. We got a lot of people with a lot of good comments, so smash that Like button. And I just got to start from where we're at real quick because Gary Talent says, when are you going to rename the show The Michael Malice Fan Hour? It's not a bad idea.

Yeah, definitely. We'll rename it Michael Malice Fan IRL. Fancast IRL. Yes. We just sit here and just stand for Michael. It's got a ring to it. We quote him more often than anybody else. It's like he's a writer from the 1950s.

Well, you're starting a network, right? You could make that one of the shows. Heck yeah. The Michael Malice fan hour. You should. And then we got one that's really interesting. I haven't seen this. Mitchell Davis says,

Biden just banned import of Russian ammo. This will cause ammo to skyrocket where no one can afford it. There will be a shortage and companies won't have to compete. Only rich will have it. Gun control. Wow. I didn't hear that. There's another story that I just saw related to the gun control issue where, again, it goes back to the states and the localities and everything are where the action's at.

Missouri, the state of Missouri passed a law saying that neither the state government nor the localities are going to be enforcing federal gun control law. And now that's a Supreme Court issue. Yeah, you told me about that earlier today. That is very interesting. All right. Trip Suck says, Last night in SF, I went to see a play. Vax cards were checked and matched to people's IDs at the door.

Dozens were turned away. No refunds. My family had to literally sneak past the guards to get in. Also, Hamilton is cringe. Right. You know, we were just thinking about this. In New York City, a human rights, a willful human rights violation is fined at $250,000. A vaccination card fine is $1,000.

Then I think it's $2,500 and then $5,000. And then I think the $5,000 is the cap per violation. So I thought about what would happen if, you know, I just brought some friends who had disabilities, barring them from getting vaccinated, went to a random restaurant in New York, walked in, and as soon as the person said, okay, you got to show your proof of ID or vaccine, I'd say, well, I'm not actually here to come in. I'm just a legal observer

because I've got some disabled people who are going to try and enter. And if you deny them, it's a human rights violation under New York City, state, and federal law. I'm just curious to see which fine you're more scared of, the $250,000 human rights violation or $1,000 COVID violation. Come on in, guys. Let's see what he does. I'll be filming, by the way.

Just like how will the shops react to that? Because the government has put them in a position where they literally cannot escape this. And the important point I brought up several times now is these companies have to fire their employees. So now we're talking about labor rights. So listen, if you live in New York or San Fran, New Orleans, or Los Angeles, and your company mandates you to get a vaccine, but you medically can't because your doctor is barring you, then you can take it up with, I think this would be the EEOC, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, I think what it's called. And they handle discrimination. Now, the problem is that the local government, you may get cult establishment, people being like, we don't care, get out. But if your doctor legitimately says, and this happens all the time, there's people who can't get it, you can't.

Then it is, I don't even think it's an opinion. I think it's a fact that you are being discriminated against based on a disability that is not fair and it violates the law. Let's see how these New York businesses handle this. Not to mention, what would happen if like 100 people tried walking into one restaurant and none of them had ID on them? The whole restaurant would be jammed up and unable to operate because they've got to ID everybody at the door. It just wouldn't work. Yeah. And so then an hour of checking IDs and business can't operate.

You know what, people? You can't tolerate fascism. All right, let's see what we got. Torin Danowski says, Dave, I just joined the Mises Caucus in Philly this week because of you. Thanks for pointing me to freedom-minded people in Progressive City. Oh, yeah. Well, thank you. And that's Michael's hometown.

That's close to me. And we're looking into – you guys had Maj Touré on the show. Yeah. Oh, Maj has been on? That's my guy, dude. Maj is awesome. He's a rad dude. Yeah.

And at some point soon, he's opening up the Solutionary Center. It's like a community center gun range. And the Philly Libertarian Party is looking to start hosting their meetings there. So that should be really cool. Right on. All right. Let's see what we got. Joseph Groshek says, my company is trying to force me to get the shot.

Now, here's my issue. Doctors are the ones who'd be trying to convince you, not force you. And so the challenge I – the problem I have with all of this is like, bro, your manager at your supermarket doesn't know your medical history. He shouldn't be telling you to do anything. So you go to your doctor, and you figure out we had Kurt Schlichter on the show. He's a good dude, and his doctor is conservative. And he said he's talked to his doctor about his condition, his age, and his risk factors and all that. And the doctor said, I recommend it.

He said, all right. And he's here, and he's fine. But to force people without knowing anything about him.'s there's two big things that i don't like here forcing people to out their disabilities and demanding id not to mention demanding a medical procedure is none of your business like yeah well i mean just like the idea of like creating this two-tier caste system where not everyone has these basic, you know, fundamental rights to participate in society is outrageously creepy. The slippery slope is just unfathomable.

I mean, like, it's, you know, you've now got, especially now that Biden's already pushing boosters. So what are you saying? This is just forever now? By the way, COVID's never going away. There will be variants here with us for, it's a coronavirus. It's going to be here with us forever. Well, that's only because you're un This is just forever now. By the way, COVID is never going away. There will be variants here with us. It's a coronavirus. It's going to be here with us forever.

Well, that's only because you're unvaxxed, Dave. Yeah, right. Real quick, though, there's something interesting there. Isn't the Libertarian Party opposed to the civil rights law? Well, I mean, the Libertarian – I don't know what the idea of banning discrimination by private businesses would be in conflict with pure libertarian principles. So the idea that if you own a business, like in the same way that you can discriminate who you want to have as a guest on your show and who you don't want to have as a guest on your show, you could discriminate based on race or gender or something like that i don't have to agree with it but i could accept that that's your right however this we're talking about the government forcing you to discriminate against a certain group and now you're getting into jim

crow categories i mean i again i'm just saying like i don't know what other legal president to cite that would be forced discrimination by private businesses under the law? Jim Crow comes to mind. This is interesting. The inverse would actually be if private businesses started saying they were choosing to discriminate against people who weren't getting the vaccination and the government said you can't do that anymore. We're not even at that level. We're at the level where the government is forcing the businesses. And the businesses I talked to when I called said, we're sorry.

We don't want to do this. We're just following the mayor's orders. So, yes. And by the way, as much as I would be appalled and hate it if businesses were voluntarily discriminating against non-vaccinated people, although I will say perhaps there could be some businesses where it made sense. OK, like I saw like some cruise lines doing it and I, I kind of understand where on cruise ships they'd be concerned. Although this was before the Delta variant and we found out you could still get it and pass it along and all that.

But, but I'll just say as much as I would be appalled by that, I wouldn't support legislating that they're not allowed to do that. Having the government forced them to not do that. I would, however, say, you know what? You're going to lose a ton

of business and just get completely destroyed in the market for this dumb decision and blast them. I'm going to read this super chip, but first I just want to ask a quick question for some people who may need clarification. You guys are not for open borders. No. No.

It gets sticky because there is a spectrum within libertarianism. So you've got anarchists. You've got small government types. And because of that, it creates a spectrum of what is canon within libertarianism. Right. So like – But the Mises Caucus is not for open borders.

There are probably some people in the Mises Caucus who are and some people who aren't. No, there's a lot of people in the Mises Caucus who are and some people who aren't. No, there's a lot of people in the Mises Caucus who are open borders. But our official position on borders is that because there is – so the idea of the Mises Caucus is that we focus on the 80 percent that libertarians agree on, the wars, the growth of government, taxes, all this stuff, and not on the stuff that divides us like borders. And people can get really zealous about the open border thing and because there legitimately is a spectrum of thought that's what i would call canon within libertarianism i mean just the idea that well the borderland should be owned by the government versus borderland should be uh privately owned that that really creates a spectrum of two different strains of thought so we just basically we don't have an official position on that if you want to

like if you were within that spectrum you're cool with us yeah well i'll just say like my position on the issue because i know there are people in the mises caucus who are open borders and there are who are not i am not for open borders and i don't think that that's the proper libertarian position the idea that that libertarianism is, to me, the belief that you own yourself, that you believe in the non-aggression principle and private property rights. That's more or less where you get libertarianism, free markets, the whole philosophy of peace and prosperity. And borders are private. Borders. Are there commons, that those commons should be open to everybody is not at all deduced from libertarian principles.

And the truth is that if the government taxes or, as libertarians believe, robs from the domestic population, right? That's our belief, that it's theft from the domestic population to create commons. Then those commons have more of a rightful claim by the domestic population than any foreign population. So I'm not an open borders libertarian. I personally fall on Dave's side of that argument, but as a matter of our platform, yeah. Right on.

Arian Amicus says, thank you for covering the food shortages over the past few weeks. I've been trying to convince my roommate to pitch in for emergency supplies, including food, and it has helped us prepare. You can always go to safeandreadymeals.com. We haven't done a promo for them in quite some time, but that's the stuff that we have. Yeah, that's great to have. I mean, look, man, after 2020, if you didn't think maybe it's a good idea to have some type of supply of food.

I would just say I think it's very wise to do as much of that as you can. A big part of the famine in Yemen is caused by Saudi Arabian airstrikes on their water supply. They've destroyed their infrastructure. To be clear, what Saudi Arabia is conducting is, with no exaggeration, a war of genocide. With the intention of genocide. They are starving the population intentionally, and the U.S., this was launched under Obama, you can go

look this up, Google, Obama placate the Saudis. He literally said we had to support them in this war to placate them, because, you know, we had kind of pissed them off with the Iraq war and the Iran deal. So here, let's throw the Saudis a bone, and give them a war of genocide. The reason I'm – what were you going to say?

I'm sorry. To make it even more ass backwards, our original involvement in Yemen was under Bush as part of the war on terror because they have the al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It's a huge al-Qaeda cell that is in Yemen. So you know who the best fighting force against al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula is the houthis oh yeah so this is the the other the other like little twist to throw into obama supporting the which by the way trump continued all four years of his presidency so don't let him off the hook for this either and and made huge deals with with the saudis but yeah so you have the houthis fighting against the Saudis, Al-Qaeda on the side of the Saudis,

America coming in on the side of Al-Qaeda and the Saudis fighting against the Houthis who were the enemies of Al-Qaeda. But we were originally, to some extent, supporting the Houthis as part of war on terror. And then just like the Mujahideen, it all flipped and... Well, listen, that's the other thing

that's so criminal. And this really falls on Obama. And Trump was a little bit better, but not much, but better than Obama on this, is that in Libya, Syria, and in Yemen, he fought on the side of al-Qaeda. And, you know, a lot of people throw the term treason out, but the literal definition of treason is giving aid and arms to the enemy, right, during war. And that is what Obama and John Brennan and as well as, you know, some other powerful people are guilty of. Keegan Hodder says, Dave, I know you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy. Tim, I know you strongly believe in these things. Please discuss. So you don't believe in intellectual property and piracy? Well, I don't believe in intellectual property in the sense that it's property.

So it's not that there should be... This is kind of abstract philosophical stuff, but the idea that if someone takes your property, you have a right to use force to stop them from taking your property. If someone downloads your podcast or something like that without permission, no, listen. You can make agreements with different companies that host it, that penalize them in some way. But what I mean is that it's not a property right in the same way that a physical property right is a property right. So you make contractual agreements with someone and you

protect against that. But no, do I think someone could be thrown in jail for like downloading music illegally? No, I don't. We agree. I think if someone steals your property, you have a right to take it back in some way. So it's criminal versus civil. Yes, kind of. Right, more or less. I think piracy and stealing someone's intellectual property is a civil thing. It's like you take them to court, you sue them, you say, hey, look, this was something I developed, and then they ripped it off somehow. And the criminal action could be if they hacked it or something.

Yeah, well, that's a whole different story. Because hacking is kind of breaking into something. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of a different thing. But I also think that most of the time, that type of stuff should be dealt within the realm of contractual agreements. I'm trying to figure out technological solutions. So if you sold my song on the web, you'd get paid with a cryptocurrency that would automatically detect that I was the creator

and siphon a percentage of the payment to the creator. Right. So that you could have entice 1, thousand people to sell my MP3s and I would give them each 1% of every sale. So you have people like organizing huge websites of like aggregated music to sell where they'd be making them. And also just the truth is that intellectual property, like we're all using like almost like the most generous examples where we would all be kind of sympathetic.

Like, yeah, you shouldn't really take that person's work with that. But the way intellectual property is actually enforced through the law, there are far more egregious violations of that. We're like – like, look, the idea almost in like the most abstract sense, right? It's like if you were on a desert island and you found like some shells and you made like a necklace, like a shell necklace out of that. And you're like, well, I worked. That took me like an hour to do. So that's my property. I mixed my labor with the earth, the most Lockean just acquisition of property.

That's my property. And someone ran up and snatched it off your neck. You'd be like, that person is a thief. I think you have the right to go tackle them and take it back. That's yours. You worked for that, not them. But if you went and made a little shell necklace and then said, I am now the creator of shell necklaces and anyone else who makes a shell necklace, I own the intellectual property of shell necklace. And now if someone else made it, I'm going to go rip that off your neck because I am the – well, now you're the aggressor, not the – so that's where like intellectual property gets into this weird area where you can't just – it's a little bit different if you claim something like your podcast or your art or your creation but you can't just like the

idea of just creating a product and then claiming that you own all future ones is a little bit all right to me zanzibar says i was raised democrat swung right during trump but embraced libertarianism when i found the lpmc I've never wanted to join a party more. Dave Smith for president. There you go. That's a rumor. That's a rumor. I haven't heard it.

All right. Sir YouTube says, You need to have George Gammon on the show. His recent video on Bitcoin was excellent. He's held events with Ron Paul and G. Edward Griffin as the headliners, and he's also open to traveling. You could also ask him about the suit against the Federal Reserve he's embarked on oh i like to hear that that all sounded like a excellent recommendation to me you know the greatest thing about wokeness is what's that well there's there's two things

that you need to understand first is get what go broke right and then the fact that the federal reserve has been embracing woke policies so i'm kind of like oh man i don't know maybe the federal reserve getting woke what does that that mean? The Fed, the CIA. They got a lot. The Fed going broke without loosening up legal tender laws would be ugly. I want to have G. Edward Griffin on the show. Have you worked with him before? No.

I mean, like, I've watched, you know, a bunch of his videos and read a bunch of his stuff, but I've never. Would you want to come on the show with him? Yeah, dude. If you get G. Edward Griffin on, yeah, absolutely, dude. I'll come on any time with him. That'd be good. I might be able to help you with that. Yeah, dude, if you get G. Edward Griffith on, I'll, yeah, absolutely, dude. I'll come on any time with him. That'd be good. I might be able to help you with that. Yeah, let's do it. That sounds great. He wrote the book on Jekyll Island, right? Creature from Jekyll Island.

Creature from Jekyll Island. And he also, I mean, he's been like, he's been at it forever, man. Like, he's been on top of this stuff. Ruben Pedrosa says, the real way to make change in government is to enforce term limits or elections for all bureaucratic positions of power. Fire the deep state.

What do you guys think about term limits? I mean, I personally don't think it would make too much of a difference because it doesn't change the inherent incentives. It just shortens the time frame on them. I think I think that's true. I think it actually might even have more perverse incentives, you know, like where you could have someone like, it's like, well, you got a short little time span. You better cash in right now for all the revolving door value you could get, you know. But I also think that it's like all of these solutions almost presume the victory. So, OK, we're going to enforce term limits on all bureaucrats and all politicians.

Well, how the heck do we do that unless we already have control of the entire government? You know what I mean? So what's the step to get to there? A lot of people always want to have these silver bullet solutions. But the truth is that what we really need is to wake up a lot more people. Otherwise, none of these solutions really work. It's cultural. Yeah, exactly. 100%. All right. Weefie

says you are missing the depths of Hassan's hypocrisy. He told Sargon in a debate two years ago, quote, profit is theft, Sargon, to say that then buy a $3 million house. I'm gonna stop right there because I ain't gonna straw man Hassan. When the left says profit, they don't mean the simple money you make off your labor. What they're referring to is when a CEO gets paid $13 million a year, and then somebody who actually makes, say, the bottle of water, they sell the bottle of water for $5, extract a dollar to go upwards towards a position somewhere else. The general issue is scale. So whereas we talk about free enterprise and capitalism in a way they don't understand,

and they need to, if I build a birdhouse and the materials are 20 bucks, and I sell it for $25, I have a $5 profit. Hassan is not referring to that $5. He's saying, oh, but you made it. You're entitled to sell it. It's yours. They're talking about hospitals that have board members who don't do anything, just absorb money.

And so their view of it is, if you are in a position as a shareholder or something, and you're getting dividends and profits, but you're not doing any work, that's the profit they're talking about. So you can agree with them or disagree with them, but I like to steel man their arguments and then have the argument. Fair enough. Yeah. But I think you guys are very much in favor of if you own the business and hand it off to somebody else, you can the money right yeah absolutely and i i also wouldn't suggest i mean look again like what what has to be made clear is that we live in a system and an economy that is completely um you know it's it's nothing but a big cartel scheme and the rules are

completely rigged for the powerful but if we're just talking in theory in a voluntary free market or something close to that, the idea that someone who's an investor did nothing, I mean, no, I don't think they did nothing. They invested in that company. I mean, go ask someone who's starting a company how important investors are. They're really, really important.

And you know what? If you don't have them, the whole thing doesn't get made. So I don't believe in that. I don't think profit is evil in any way. In fact, I think it's a sign that a company is doing really well. John says, Hasan also said he

also has even said he couldn't do more in-depth analysis of videos without hiring more people. So his hours of streaming is not an actual hustle. I disagree. I mean, being on camera for 10 hours a day is work, man. He does it almost every day. I respect that.

He's on for 10 hours a day? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's impressive. That's a hustle, dude. I'll say that is impressive. And I don't think we need to strawman our political opponents or rivals or people we disagree with. We need to always be like, here's the best they have to offer, and let's prove it wrong.

So, look, I say if you're truly for the cause, you would invest in it. Hassan is an activist. He's a commentator. He's a progressive socialist. He chose to use his money for a $3 million house as opposed to a $3 million advocacy organization. Now that's fine. He doesn't have to do anything. And he says that you just don't see the advocacy work he does because he's not pushing it out there for a PR campaign. And that may be true. But I'm just like, a $3 million house in West Hollywood, you could move to Pasadena for a fraction of that cost, for a seventh of the cost. So if you want to have that big fancy house in West Hollywood, you are choosing to live in the upper echelon of the wealthy ultra elites. That, I think, is a fair criticism. But I don't think we

need to criticize the fact that he's working really hard. Can I tell you? He made a video trashing me once, and he strawmanned me pretty bad, and then I made a video back smashing him. And now that I know he does 10 hours a day, I take a lot less offense to it. I'm like, well, he's got to come up with something, man.

I mean, he's doing 10 hours a day. Yeah, you've got to bang out whatever you can. Hey, look, look. The left strawmans. Yeah. And they tow establishment lines. That doesn't mean we need to. So that's a good point.

And especially if you're right. If you're right, you shouldn't want to censor other people. I don't mean right wing. I mean, if you're correct, you shouldn't want to censor other people. And you shouldn't need to strawman other people because you got the truth on your side. He's said some really awful things in the past yeah you know about like dan crenshaw about 9-11 but you but people always try to bring that stuff up and i'm like the reason i don't bring up people saying dumb things in the past is because it's not a political argument

it's just you you're it's an ad hominem it's like look at this guy he says dumb things i'm like probably i say dumb things too yeah no one should really be judged. No one should be judged over the worst thing you said. There should be some amount of like a charitable grace that it's like, well, let's judge you on like kind of what you stand for over your, you know, like the body of your work. Not just like this one sentence or this one thing you said. That's like kind of gotcha nonsense. Well, you know, we're not perfect here. I rag on people. I try to avoid being super mean as well.

I used to like really be offensive with my jokes back when I was like 15, 18. I was all about like impressing my friends and using the most racist, just terrible. And then I realized in 1920. That was back on Monday for me. I realized in college I was like kind of broadened to a larger, you know, sect of humanity. And I realized that it was offensive to other broadened to a larger sect of humanity, and I realized that it was offensive to other people, that making humans the butt of jokes isn't necessarily the best way to do comedy.

So I kind of changed the way I – Just don't do the woke comedy where you make fun of yourself. Yeah, don't do that either. Let's read this one. We got a good one. Brett Stubbs says, Dave left off a huge motivation in the history of the IRS. It was also to do away with old bank notes from local banks. You could only pay taxes in the Federal Reserve note. So it was also for consolidation of a single note. Yeah, well, there's definitely something to be said for that. That's a very interesting

point. But of course, yeah, that is true that it really strengthens kind of legal tender, right? Because the only thing you can pay your taxes in is write what Federal Reserve notes. So there you go. Cody says, Tim, I'm coming up on the one-year anniversary of my father's passing. It's been a harder time than I've ever faced before. You and Crowder have been my favorite therapy. I love all of you. Keep it up. Hey, man.

Sad to hear about your father's passing, but thanks for being a fan and watching the show and I'm glad that it's been helpful. We're just some dudes who hang out and talk stuff on the internet. And we have friends over. So we do our best. F the Magician says, you are the means of production, Tim. Individuals are.

There's another thing I brought up in the Hassan thing in my earlier segment. Because it was actually pretty long. I have way more to say about it. Oh, today? Yeah, I ended up doing like a half an hour when I normally do the 20-minute segment. But Hassan bought a $3 million house, which in this capitalist system, even with a welfare state, I think is fine. But in a socialist system, because he brought up the word socialism, the house is the means of production. The ability to have a big – when you're in the media, we're in this big house right now with multiple rooms and different studios.

The house is the means of production. That people have a space to work, it's akin to a factory. We've got a bunch of different computers. We've got tons of computers. So the computers are the means of production. This microphone is, this keyboard is, that camera is, and the house itself is the factory. So in a socialist system, I don't think poor working class people, the proletariat, would tolerate a $3 million mansion. I think they'd be like,

you are producing web videos by yourself. Great. You're not exploiting anybody. But that building should be open to others to do the same thing. And when you are not streaming, your camera and computer should be available to the public to use the means of production that you use. I think that's what socialist proletariat would want. That's definitely how pure socialism goes wrong. Well, of course. But in a sense, it's not just how it goes wrong. It's the logical conclusion.

Right? I mean, it is the logical conclusion. I mean, look, these are, by definition, means of production. You are producing things through these means, and you are generating all of this stuff through it. And so why should you not like if you're not going to look at it through the respect of private property and ownership well then why shouldn't this be for the benefit of the you know quote-unquote community i think a lot about socialism big s and small s like socialism the government style big s authoritarianism the big a authoritarianism

is like the government style then there's authoritarian with a small a like a an ad an adjective and how you can weave socialist small s or authoritarian small a functions into a democratically republic system and still have it function even better than if you hadn't woven those right but i guess i guess what frustrates me at times um and like even with the the conversation we were having before about left libertarians versus like our school, they call right libertarians, I don't know, whatever. Mises, Rothbard, Ron Paul, libertarians, whatever you want to call that. I don't care if you want to call us right libertarians. Like that's fine. I'm not like offended by it.

But it's like – so tell me the distinction, which I feel like left libertarians always kind of beat around the bush because the idea that like, well, you can have socialism here or lowercase as socialism. It's like, yeah, no, no one in our libertarian school is ever denying that you can't have a co-op. Go have your co-op. There's co-ops all over the place. Go have your co-op. Do everything you want to.

The idea that you can't buy a plot of land and turn it into a commune. Of course. No one's trying to stop you from doing that. We're libertarians. This is exactly my point. Libertarianism cannot scale past one community. So with left libertarians, I always say hippies on a farm. It's like Ian's sitting there and he grew

some mangoes or whatever. He made bread. Ian made bread. When I walk in the kitchen, Ian goes, yo, I made bread. Do you want some? He doesn't ask me for an exchange. It's just Tim, you got the flour. I made the kitchen, Ian goes, yo, I made bread. Do you want some? He doesn't ask me for an exchange. It's just, you know, Tim, you got the flour. I made the bread. I made the bread, though. So without me, you wouldn't have the bread.

You'd only have the flour. And then we just openly share. Like, Ian can take the flour whenever he wants. I'll have some of the bread whenever he makes it. What happens, though, when the neighbor walks over and walks up and takes the bread? Yeah, it's like, and you see each layer, it gets a little bit more like, maybe that could work if you're real close with your neighbor. But then what about another neighbor? And then all of a sudden the guy from down the street comes and we don't have any arrangements with him and you can't just manifest one.

And so then when I'm like, stop taking my bread and he says, you don't own the bread. I'm like, we're going to use force to stop you. We got to go to war, a mini war. So that's the idea of a feud. Left libertarianism exists in very, very small random pockets. There's one very famous commune of 100 people where it's very well organized and it's a commune. When one person announces they're leaving, they go to their waiting list and then invite one person. Hey, this person in two weeks is gone.

You will come in. We'll teach you the rules. Everybody's equal. We have a farm and it functions. People desperately want to go there. And it exists because they're not in a system that mandates they give their stuff to the government. They're allowed to keep it. Their commune retains the private property.

Well, that's it. Right. So my point right there is that basically – But so my point is that if – even when you say doesn't scale, the only way this is workable is under our private property system. I agree. So you come back to being us. So my point is that you're just one of us who wants to live on a commune, which is fine, but don't – so unless you're – if you're calling it this other thing –

Right, exactly. It doesn't work or it turns into some other thing. And if you're not that, then just explain to me the distinction. That's why I said as much as I disagree with Ron Paul on a lot of policies, he's always said I'll leave you alone. And I like great i can do my thing can i tell you i was a left winger before i found ron paul in 2007 and that's when i i he really i found him in the giuliani moment where he called giuliani out for the real motives of terrorism and the evils of the u.s empire and i was like that's the greatest thing i've ever seen and then i started reading all of his books and reading a bunch of other libertarians and

I was converted. At first when I was starting to read it, I was like, I gotta read this libertarian stuff to find out what's wrong with it. Like I was gonna read it to like disprove it and then along the way somewhere I just got converted like they were better. But my thing with that, what you just said, is why

I really thought in my silly, naive, young mind that I was going to be able to convert a bunch of leftists because I go, there's such a good pitch to the left here is what I thought. Because I go, look, if you embrace libertarianism and reducing the government, like drastically reducing the size and scope of government, then look, you end immediately all the evil things that you hate. Now, this is during the Bush administration. So like wars, you know, they were really against the wars at that time and the war on drugs and police brutality and all of this stuff that the leftists really hate. And look, all that other stuff that you guys love, like welfare and taking care of poor

people and any type of this tough stuff like socialism. I go, you can have all of that. You just have to do it voluntarily. So you can have that. You guys just got to come together in your own voluntary community, and then you can do all of this. So isn't this the perfect compromise pitch to the leftist? You can get rid of all the things you hate and have all the things you love. You just have to come do it voluntarily.

And, yeah, that was not as well received as i thought and i've actually persuaded a lot more right wingers than left wingers which i was surprised by they're mostly authoritarians who just want stuff yeah so my view was always like this you know ron they want it quickly right ron paul comes out and he says i believe we got to do this thing and that thing and this thing and i'm like i don't agree with those things and then he goes and if i was elected i'd leave you alone so you can do your own thing i'm like you got me yeah i'm gonna have my little farm and i'm gonna have my hippie friends and we're gonna be left alone dude ron paul said this once and i think it was in god i can't remember

if it was the 28 uh 2008 or the the 2012 campaign but he said if he he said this thing where he was like basically like oh there's all this excitement. He has like 10s of 1000s of people around him. And he was like, so now people are asking what's going on here? You know, like, what do you stand for? And he said, my foreign policy, he goes, I would describe my foreign policy as the following. He said, I don't want to run the world. I don't know how to run the world. The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run the world. We ought to't give me the authority to run the world. We ought to mind our own business. And I would describe my domestic policy as the following.

I don't want to run your life. I don't know how to run your life. The Constitution doesn't give me the authority to run your life. We ought to respect individual liberty. And I always thought that was just the most powerful, honest, and humble political message I'd ever heard. That really the message is that anyone who's telling you they want to run the world or want to run your life, first off, does not have any moral or legal authority to do so, and also just doesn't know how to do it. The only honest thing was to admit that you don't. We have a good one.

C. Hennessey says, Dave, serious question. If you were to be president and Taiwan was attacked, would you honor our agreements to assist? Well, what do you even mean by assist in Taiwan? Look, man, we got to like I hope Taiwan is not attacked and I root for freedom of people everywhere. But we really got to get over this empire mentality that we can do something about. Like, what do you want to do you explain to me the logistics of what are you going to get military in there and start fighting a hot war with with a nuclear armed power like china and then what we're going to like start just blowing up cities all across the world

and then still not be able to stop them from taking taiwan i mean like at a certain point americans got to like take a slice of humble pie and recognize that, look, we just lost to the Taliban in a 20-year war. Okay? You think we're going to take on the Chinese on their territory? How about there's one problem that ever exists that's just not our battle to fight? I root for them. I do not want to see them fall to China. I don't like the government of China.

They are a creepy, authoritarian, quasi-communist, quasi-fascist government. But what do you think we're going to do, man? You actually think, like, yeah, like you want to go to a nuclear war and lose, what, Seoul and Tokyo and maybe L.A. and then we'll blast three of their cities and then after all of that we still won't be able to get the forces in to save Taiwan. Where has this worked out for us? Yeah, really. World War II? Yeah,

it was a stunning success. Only 60 million dead. You want another one of those? Alright, Jesse Meek says, the thing I like most about Shimcast is the diverse people you bring together. Amazing discussions. Please give a shout out and consideration to a few other amazing tubers, Liberty Doll, Guns and Gadgets, Good Patriot, Philosopher,

and Patriot Nurse, amazing people all. I would also like to shout-out Seamus Coghlan, the host of Shimcast, who hasn't been with us for a week or so. He quit the show and we took it over. We kept the name, though. We did a joke when Seamus was here. Oh, I love Seamus at Freedom Tunes. Yeah, he's the best.

We changed the image to say Shimcast instead of Timcast. Oh, okay. And then he intro'd the show.amus was here. Oh, I love Seamus. Freedom tunes. Yeah, he's the best. We changed the image to say Shimcast instead of Timcast. And then he intro'd the show. It was funny. Seymour Mac says, Tim, I've lost track of how many times you've mentioned the Mises caucus in your videos. I think it's like seven. This is much needed. Go watch The Fight Has Just Begun. It's six. I was just

keeping track the whole time. It was six. Just watching it. The Fight Has Just Begun, a Mises documentary. Is that what it's called? Yeah, they just put whole time. It was six and a half. Just watching it. Watch it. The fight has just begun, a Mises documentary. Is that what it's called? That's it. Yeah, they just put it out. It was a documentary of the struggle of the Mises caucus versus the other LP people in Pennsylvania.

It's very inside baseball for people who are into the LP thing. First of all, shout out to Doc who did the super chat. But yeah, it's a documentary. Like he said, it's a little bit more inside baseball, but it gives you an idea of what we're facing inside the party in order to red pill the party and the tricks that are being pulled and all that kind of thing. So if you want to get kind of an insider view of the kind of things

that we're dealing with, that's a good thing. And if you like what you're hearing in this conversation, go to TakeHumanAction.com and help us red-fill this party. TakeHumanAction.com is the place to go. And understand what we're doing, just to be clear, is that we're bringing the liberty movement into the Libertarian Party. We're bringing that real Ron Paul libertarian energy that's serious and facing about the real issues facing the country. And we are also in the process de-wokifying an institution for perhaps the first time in history.

I'm not sure there's ever been an institution that went woke and then has been de-wokified, and we're about to do that. Yeah, shaking off progressivism I think might be historic. And also Angela McArdle for chair of the Libertarian Party. Absolutely. That's coming up this next year, right? When's the convention, Michael? It's May.

It's Labor Day weekend. So May of 22. May of 2022. Angela McArdle. She's awesome. She's going to be the next chair of the Libertarian Party. And yeah, check her out. We got some critics of Hassan pointing out.

They say, Hassan, Ultronaut says, Hassan leaves for hours and lets others' videos go. Red Dragon says, Hassan is on camera for 10 hours but only talks for one. He's inflating the stream. JXC is right about everything. Hasan watches videos and occasionally says, yeah. Huh. Okay.

Well, there you go. I watched some of his videos. All right, that I could do a little bit more. I just don't understand. Why would you even want to do that? I don't get it. It's a hot topic. Because you build up a big stream.

The longer you stream, the more people come, the more money you make. He's on, what's the thing? Twitch. Twitch, the video game stuff, right? Yeah. Well, they have just chatting now. Okay.

Hey, man, look. I'll bet you thought OnlyFans was only for porn. Not anymore, bro. That's all gone. I think even if you don't think he's doing that much, he's successful and he figured it out. And I think you're allowed to be progressive and leftist and still be rich. The issue I suppose is like if he was arguing that people shouldn't be allowed to be rich at all, which I don't think he does. All right.

Fair enough. Yeah. Look, I think we can argue why his ideas are bad, but I think being like, oh, you bought a house. It's like, come on, man. You're not winning an argument by ad hominem. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, but I do think – leaving leaving hassan aside or whatever but i do think there is something to be said for like say bernie

sanders you know when he becomes a millionaire and then like you know like itemizes his deductions to pay his little taxes you could be rich too yeah like there is something about that where it's like dude you were you just spent 30 years attacking millionaires saying they should pay 70% taxes. You're paying like whatever it ended up being, like 15%, 18%, and then giving like 2% or 3% to charity. If you really believe that, I don't think it's too much to say, lead by example and say, okay, look, I'm only paying 20% in tax, but I'm going to give another 40% away to charity

because I really believe that no one needs this much money. Then I would at least, I'd still disagree with you, but I'd at least take what you're saying seriously and be like, hey, that guy's got some real principles. When you've got two or three houses and you're making millions of dollars ragging on the rich, that's like, eh. Yeah. I just don't like hypocrisy.

But I do like capitalism and I like success. So I don't hate him for the success. And that's the funny thing. The people who are ragging on him for being rich are left, not right. The right are like, oh, wow, congratulations on being rich. Like, man, that's a sweet house. And the left is like, why are you rich? The thing I said is like, what, should he just keep his wealth a secret?

Should he not buy anything with all the money he's got? He's probably making a couple mil per year. I think to change a society, you need to be super rich. If you look at the American founding fathers, they were super rich. I've lived my whole life in this pious or whatever charitable state where I don't want to get rich because I don't like this system and I don't want to involve myself in it, but it's ridiculous. You want to be like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos,

controlling swaths of industry. Then you can implement your political change. But it's the work you do and what you build up that gets you to the point where you have control over systems. That's true, too, because if I had like $600 billion, it'd be different than owning Amazon.

Yeah, well, look, it all depends on exactly what you're after. I mean, all of these things are kind of like, you know, they're different forms of power and they're different forms of influence. But if you, you know, being, you can be very, very

wealthy and use that in certain ways. You can be somebody who's very respected and admired and use that in certain ways. You can also just be a really great father or friend or son. And that can make a big difference in an individual's life. So there's all different ways to kind of like shape the world around you. But, yeah, there's no question that like very, very rich people have a disproportionate amount of influence.

That's a good point, though, about the attention economy and the value of people knowing who you are and respecting you. Oh, yeah. Money can't buy that. You still need some modicum of broad support or public support. Because, like, look at Bloomberg. Look at all that money that he threw at his election and got lapped out. Yeah, that's a very good point. That's a very good point.

There are things that are maybe, like, unmeasurable commodities in a sense like uh like respect you know what i mean that like there's not everyone can buy like michael bloomberg has a lot more money than ron paul does but i'll tell you ron paul like he's not spoken of the way that ron paul is amongst people who really admire him and you know so just the same way that freedom and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing, power and competence and responsibility are axiomatically the same thing.

Or they should be. I should say they should be. Because perhaps things really start to collapse when they're not axiomatically linked. So when people have power and don't have... Yes, exactly. We've got a leghorn chicken that

lays double yolk eggs. And so we... I saw your chickens. I think I know which one it is. It's the little one. No way! The little one? Oh, that's not who I was going to go with. Yeah, it's crazy because the eggs are massive and they're double yolk. So I'm thinking like, we want this one to have babies, right? Because we

like this. Because when you see something being done right, so now I'm thinking about it, is the Paul family propagating? Because we need more little Ron Pauls. And if not, can we build robots and download Ron Paul's brain into... Rand is pretty incredible. I mean, there will never be another Ron

Paul. Ron is Ron. That's true. Rand is. And I will say, they're playing different games. Yeah, well, look, I was very disappointed in credible i mean there'll never be another ron paul ron is ron that's true rand is and i will say i was playing different games yeah well look i was i was very disappointed in um rand paul's 2016 campaign and i like heartbroken about it i i really had high hopes for him and he just didn't continue the ron paul thing but i also do think now in hindsight looking back at it that it was a little bit unfair like i was comparing him to who like my greatest hero ever was just because he's his kid. And if I never knew about who Ron Paul was and you asked me about Rand Paul, I'd go, I don't know. He's just the best senator ever.

And like so. So you know what I mean? It's like to be fair. And he really has. Look, man, through this whole, like he was great on so many different things like the Brennan filibuster and a bunch of other things, but through this whole COVID thing. And the AA filibuster?

Yeah, yeah, that's right. He was great on that. But through this whole COVID thing, he's just been nothing short of heroic. I mean, what he's gotten Fauci on tape saying and just backing him into these corners and getting him, it's like almost the perfect trap where he gets Fauci to say these things. The next day, all the blue checks are like, Rand Paul owned. Two weeks later, the CDC agrees with Rand Paul. You know, like it's just

perfect. And we all owe him for that. We'll do one more. So smash that like button. This one's very important. Smash the like button! Yeah. Sorry. Try to just really take your time you you you must we we command you i'm just kidding it's not enough to passively watch this video you must actively

smash that like button thank you joe all right angela mcardle says mike how do people become delegates for the libertarian national convention oh that's Angela McArdle. That is our future chair being at work on that stream. That's awesome. Interesting question, Angela. Never thought of that. So what people need to do is you need to join the Libertarian Party. But what's more important than joining the Libertarian Party is joining your state Libertarian Party. So if you live in Michigan, you need to join the Libertarian Party of Michigan.

Pennsylvania, the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania. And then there's also your county-level parties. So you want to get active there. Now, it differs state by state. But ultimately, you want to join your state party. You want to show up to your state party convention, whenever that might be, and get elected. But this is why you've got to go to TakeHumanAction.com because if you go to that, we have 230 organizers around the country. And if you sign up on the email list on there, not only do you join our email list, but you get hooked up with our organizers.

We'll bring you in. There's a whole network. They can help you become a delegate. Right on. There you go. Perfect. And that's how you're going to get everybody to start taking over the party and changing the world or whatever it is. Yeah, come on, man.

Change your town. Look, dude. Change your town. Yes. I know you've said it like a bunch before, and it's part of the reason. And I understand we're all in this position of like, look, man, I don't know what the best option is to do this or that. But you've talked about it. You're like, look, the Democrats are a nightmare.

90% of the Republicans are a nightmare. Maybe there's a few good ones here or there. The Libertarians who run as Republicans is their only way in but then you just look at this and you go man I don't care what's happened over the last 16 months or even the last 20 years this is the United States of America

and we deserve better than that these two parties have basically committed in effect treason against the American people they have sold us out for their own interests, many times foreign interests. In effect, they've committed treason against their own people. What are we supposed to do? Keep choosing between these two parties on which type of treason we want to deal with?

The American people, the United States of America, deserves better than that. Let's give it to them. When we talk about Press Secretary Michael Malice, we're talking about in a presidential campaign, but I'd like you to imagine an actual press secretary in an administration walking up to the podium in the White House and then calling on journalists and schooling them

better. It's Kayleigh McEnany times 100. You know what I mean? Just mocking them ruthlessly and then giving them a history lesson. Can you imagine how good Michael Malice's press secretary will be? I have to do this just for him. I have another link

on the Malice tip, actually. Malice at one point said that if the party would do it, that he would take the keys to the Twitter if the party would do it. The party ain't gonna do it. Well, you can. Like me and you, we're saying we've got to put public pressure on these companies forcing the mandates. You can go to maliceforlptwitter.com and sign the petition.

And then we can go and say, hey, there's 10,000 people. It's like, hey, we have to party. Maliceforlptwitter.com? No, no. That is legit. Like getting an actual getting someone of that talent to run the Twitter account would be PR gold. Make sure it says run by Michael Malice in the description. So go to his personal page to know what's going on. And I also wanted to add another point about like what you were about the Republican Party. In 2012, when Ron was running,

there was Rasmussen polls showing that the only Republican candidate that was winning in the polls against Obama was Ron Paul. That's right. I remember that. And they went with Mitt Romney. They went with Mitt Romney.

I mean, listen. I'm not saying... I understand. It's 2021. It's, listen. I'm not saying I understand it's 2021. It's not 2020. It's not 2012. And I got to, like, move on from that. But for all the right-wingers who understandably are just furious at everything that the left-wing has done to the country, you do have to understand that you had an option in 2012 to vote for literally Thomas Jefferson, a better version of Thomas Jefferson in Ron Paul, and you chose Mitt freaking Romney.

So, I mean, like, grapple with that. Now, if you're young, if you're like 20 and you didn't vote in that election, okay, I'll let you off the hook. But if you are a right-winger who supported Mitt Romney over Ron Paul, then you just like, you don't get to complain about anything. You had your chance.

Forget the politics for a second. We've spent a lot of time talking about how this whole thing is a cultural battle that's manifesting itself through politics, right? So, and we also talked about how we're going to have to capture the counterculture. Forget the politics. You're telling me the Republican Party, is that going to be the counterculture? They've been getting their ass kicked culturally for 60 years. Yeah, you're right.

You're absolutely right. In some ways, I think because it's a cultural battle is why we have to go through the lp because we can actually build our own culture build our own narrative build our own stories whereas the republican party culturally is hated by half the country that's right no that's that's true that's true even as bad as the democrats are you look at the polling like i go to civics the The Republicans are disfavorable more. You know why? Mitch McConnell. No, no, because Republicans are sick of them.

So with the Democrats, it's Republicans and independents who are like, bleh. The Democrats are like, yeah. The Republican Party is Republicans and independents being like, gah. Is this what we get? Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. All right. We'll do – this is the last one.

Angela McArdle again saying, I will give Malice those keys. Yes! Thank you, Angela. So if Angela is chair of the party, then she has the authority to give him the keys. So everybody heard it right there. You want Michael Malice to have the keys to the libertarian Twitter handle, all you've got to do is get Angela McArdle voted in as – get her elected as the chair of the party. If you want to understand why,

if you're not familiar, we've had Michael on the show several times, you've got to follow him on Twitter and then you'll start to bask in the glory that is the perfect trolling of Twitter and just, it's glorious watching him go after these journalists and all that good stuff.

He's a brilliant writer too, a brilliant writer that was born in the Soviet Union and saw like governments gone too far from a very early age. So when he talks about anarchy, he's really doing it from an erudite place. And he's also an excellent writer, not just in the fact

that he's like a super smart guy and he knows a lot about history and makes really good arguments, but just his prose and his technical writing is just very enjoyable to read. It's something I really admire. As a very crappy writer, I really admire very good writers. And he's an excellent writer. He's got great range because, yeah, you can go on Twitter and see and laugh at him trolling people.

And it's glorious. But then you can watch, say, for example, the Lex Friedman interview when he's talking about what his grandma had to go through and started crying. He's got an incredible range and all of that stuff. And like I said, a great writer. By the way, if I ever write a book and it's well-written, Michael Malice wrote that book. I did not write that one. I did not. All right, everybody.

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I just want to show you this is quartz crystal. This is one of the pieces that Tim procured at the Gem Store. We got quartz because it's – This thing's incredible. What's it called? Piezoelectric or something? Piezoelectric.

Yeah, piezoelectric. It means that when it vibrates, it produces an electrical charge. Really? Yeah. Yeah, so that's how the watches work. They just use the quartz crystal. It's going to be really – Yeah, it's crazy.

It's going to be like the future of electrical generation in a lot of ways is piezoelectricity when you can tap into the vibration of the vacuum itself. We're going to get back to how we made the pyramids, finally. Yeah, there might be something to that. They were giant batteries. I don't know about that. It's what people could figure out how to build. Stack up a bunch of rocks.

They put gold on the very top, which is a superconductor. That's probably interesting. I do find all of that stuff very interesting. Right on. We're going to have a couple hours to go deeper into that. No, I won't be there. Sorry. No, but in the new show, definitely.

That would be fun. Yeah. Super awesome. I'm also here. Thank you guys all so much for tuning in to the first episode of the Michael Malice Fan Hour IRL. I hope that you guys will tune in on Monday. I'm not sure how much of a Michael Malice Fan Hour IRL it it will be that day but it's gonna be awesome then as well you guys may please follow me on twitter at sour patch

lids because i am approaching sour patch kids and followers i'm excited about that and uh we got steve bannon next tuesday yeah so we wanted to follow up because uh he made some predictions about schools and what the parents were going to do and i think he he was correct. He said the parents were going to flip out. So we're going to follow up with that. And then we'll obviously follow up with some other, you know, political issues. But that's going to be on the members podcast because YouTube would ban us if we talked about those issues. But, you know, we'll see how it rolls out.

And thanks for hanging out. We'll see you all then. Bye, guys.