Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #360 - 13 American Troops Lose Their Lives In Kabul Attack, Biden Vows Revenge w/Becket Adams

Episode Date: August 27, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join senior commentary editor of the Washington Examiner Becket Adams to discuss the American lives lost in Afghanistan, Biden's response, the US choice to give the Taliban lists o...f American citizens, Glenn Beck's moves to attempt to save Afghan Christians and anyone trying to flee, polls showing no one likes the political parties, and the two Republicans calling on Biden to resign over Afghanistan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 For many reasons, it's been a dark day. It's been a very tumultuous past, I guess, a couple of weeks, a couple of months in Afghanistan. And today, you know, mid-morning, we get some of the most horrifying news that there was an attack. We're now getting confirmation up to, so far, 13 U.S. service members have lost their lives. And there's some crazy stuff I read. Look, I want to say with the breaking news, it's hard to know what all the details are. Different sources are giving different numbers. The most up-to-date that I've been able to find says 13 U.S. service members have lost their lives.
Starting point is 00:00:35 I read one story that said that the U.S. had warned the American troops at the airport in Kabul that there was a strong possibility of a terror attack. In the morning, the UK and the US advised all people, especially their citizens, to avoid the area. And these brave men and women stayed doing their jobs, knowing, being told that there is a very strong likelihood of a terror attack. Now we're learning that they lost their lives. Of course, there's a lot going around. Republicans are absolutely coming after Biden on this one. He botched the whole thing. He abandoned Bagram Air Force Base before evacuating civilians. And now we're learning that there's a wild, wild estimate of the Americans that are still in Kabul. Some say it's only a few
Starting point is 00:01:19 thousand. Apparently, some reports say it could even be in the tens of thousands, maybe 30,000. We don't know for sure. And the U.S. government, Biden administration, is not actually confirming these numbers. But my friends, I hope you are ready to be angry because it's not my intent to make you angry every day. But we have reporting now from Politico that the U.S. gave the names of American citizens and Afghan allies to the Taliban, telling them, like, here's the people that we want out. One defense official said they just put those people on the kill list.
Starting point is 00:01:48 This is bad. It's bad. And I'm sure I feel like we're going to be in this conversation for quite a bit. Apparently, Glenn Beck has personally traveled down there. This is crazy stuff. You know, we'll talk all about it. But, man, that is mad respect. Absolutely, absolutely tremendous respect.
Starting point is 00:02:06 So we're going to have to get into this. We've got other stories. We do, but we definitely got to talk about this. So joining us today is Senior Commentary for the Washington Examiner, Beckett Adams. Thanks for having me. Do you want to just give a quick introduction for yourself? Yeah, I do Senior Commentary for the Washington Examiner. I enjoy especially covering politics, but mostly keep an eye on what the media is up to.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Right on, right on. Cool. Dig it, man. Hey, is that a captain's uniform? Yes. Reporting to the bridge, Tim. I'm here and I'm ready for you. Ian's wearing a Star Trek shirt. This is the next generation Star Trek red shirt, so I'm not the first guy to get sent down by death. Good, good. I was worried. I'm actually one of the commanders, so get
Starting point is 00:02:41 ready. Awesome. What's up, dog? I'm excited for tonight's conversation, but I am disturbed by what's been going on, so hopefully we can get all the way to the bottom of it. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, and you will get access to the exclusive TimCast IRL members segments that we put up Monday through Thursday, and you'll also get an ad-free experience, and you will sleep well knowing that you are supporting fierce and independent journalism because we actually have a bunch of independent journalism, I should say, on the
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Starting point is 00:03:36 ABC 7 reporting at 7 p.m. 13 U.S. service members killed in Kabul airport attacks. Biden says attackers will pay. We will not forgive. We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay, Biden said. Two suicide bombers and gunmen attacked crowds of Afghans flocking to Kabul's airport Thursday, transforming a scene of desperation into one of horror in the waning days of an airlift
Starting point is 00:04:02 for those fleeing the Taliban takeover. The attacks killed at least 60 Afghans and 13 U.S. troops. into one of horror in the waning days of an airlift for those fleeing the Taliban takeover. The attacks killed at least 60 Afghans and 13 U.S. troops, Afghan and U.S. officials. I think one of the most harrowing things I heard was a man who was an interpreter for the Marine Corps called into Fox News and said that after the blast, there was a five-year-old little girl that he was trying to resuscitate and she died in his arms. This didn't have to happen. Why are we in this mess? No, this had to happen.
Starting point is 00:04:34 So much of the criticism that has been directed at the Biden administration, which, by the way, they've tried to deflect by conflating criticism for how we are withdrawing with the very sort of non-existent criticism that we should have never left. The main argument isn't we shouldn't leave Afghanistan. I think most people actually do support that. A lot of polling shows that, especially recent polling. The criticism is for how we have done it. In the weeks since this has happened, it has been clear that everything they have done has been made up as they go. There was no plan. They claim they planned for all contingencies. Clearly, they did not.
Starting point is 00:05:07 They evacuated the military before they evacuated our allies and civilians. In the dead of night, no less. And they didn't inform the field commander at Bagram Air Base, by the way. They didn't tell the Afghani commander. They just Irish goodbye overnight. After 20 years, it's like a bad boyfriend.
Starting point is 00:05:24 So one thing that I hear repeatedly when I criticize or I talk about this on social media or write about it, are these kind of, you know, the Twitter Biden stans respond with, oh, could you be doing it better? Yes, yes, I could. Number one, you evacuate your civilians first, leave your military there as a rear guard, then you take out your combat troops.
Starting point is 00:05:44 So don't close down Bagram. It has two airstrips. It's also secluded and strategically situated. Instead, they've bottlenecked everyone in an international airport in Kabul that's surrounded by the Taliban, and we're now completely dependent on whether or not the Taliban will pretty please let our people live. It's how many people
Starting point is 00:06:00 in Kabul? Five million or something like that? Roughly. I'd have to double check. But it's a very dense, urban, populated area. And now we're asking our soldiers and Marines and everyone else over there to essentially ferry these people to safety despite the fact they're completely surrounded. This needs to be stressed to all of the people who are desperate to say it's not Biden's fault. First thing I'll give you is when they say it's George W. Bush fault, I go, all right. Well, to a certain degree, I would agree with that. But Donald Trump had a peace deal and a plan for the evacuation, for the pullout.
Starting point is 00:06:32 And, yeah, I don't think Joe Biden had a plan. No, that's the thing, too, is like, look, we can say Trump's plan was garbage. We can say it was ill-advised. We can say it was stupid. That doesn't matter. Biden is not beholden to it. He's a grown ass president he can make his own decisions and he has shown repeatedly he has no problem
Starting point is 00:06:49 overturning trump executive actions trump policies or anything else related to trump he ran on the fact that he would overturn everything so the idea that because he's been striking this bizarre uh tone where it's paradoxical where he says no yeah i made the decision because i care about america also my hands are tied what can i do but this is this is already we have we got to break this down and make sure everybody understands this the original deadline was may 1st you should not in the middle of the night skip out on your strategic air force base which is i believe about 45 miles outside of kabul that it's got what two runways two runways yeah so I mean the first thing I started reading when I'm reading from the opinions of national security experts military experts in
Starting point is 00:07:30 these in these in these various op-eds why did they in the middle of the night abandon the the base along with our resources our weapons just the Blackhawk helicopters and then say okay now now for everybody who's still there, if you want to leave, go to the airport. I'm just, I'm confused. I'm genuinely confused because let me just stress this point. Either they're really, really dumb or they did it on purpose. This is something we keep coming back to where you, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:01 the old saying is never attribute malice to that, which can be explained simply by stupidity. Hanlon's razor. Thank you. My favorite. But you're looking at this as how we left military aircraft, which now the Taliban have, and they're almost certainly going to sell that to the Chinese or Russians to disseminate and study and make their own versions. We left hundreds of guns.
Starting point is 00:08:19 We left millions of dollars. We left trucks. And then again, taking military out first doesn't make any sense. You look at this and you go, why and how? I keep getting stuck on that. And the sort of the nonsensical approach that Biden has taken to this every step of the way is we had to get out. And then when the Taliban came and overran the country, nobody saw this was what happened. Then the bombs go off today. And essentially it's, well, you know, this is why we have to leave. And also we have to leave and also send in more troops because we now need to go
Starting point is 00:08:48 get the people who did this what is their plan where where where is the political commentary gone from what a couple days ago it was this is literally trump's plan it's trump's fault now they're saying bombs go off all the time in afghanistan that's why we're leaving but so it goes to the point we're like who cares if this is Trump's thing? You are president now. Today, he was asked at his press conference, President Biden was, if he takes full responsibility for the dead Marines and the Navy medic, the corpsman. And he answered, not even loosely paraphrasing, I take full responsibility.
Starting point is 00:09:19 But remember, this was Trump's plan. That's what he said. He did say that. He was responding to Peter Doocy at Fox News. Trump's plan was not to leave in August. Right. It was May's plan. That's what he said. He did say that. He was responding to Peter Doocy at Fox News. Trump's plan was not to leave in August. Right. It was May 1st. That's the other thing to point out
Starting point is 00:09:28 is that he keeps saying, I am tied to what Trump did. They already blew through the deadline established by the Trump administration. And the point we keep coming back to is Trump's plan didn't involve shuttering Bagram, getting the military out first,
Starting point is 00:09:39 and then abandoning U.S. nationals and our allies. That was never in the Trump plan. It's hard for me to believe that're this dumb, to be completely honest, because you know that if you pull the military out before the civilians and you abandon an Air Force base, you know this is going to happen. So, I mean, we keep coming back. Is it stupidity?
Starting point is 00:09:59 Because they say we didn't have any intelligence. General Miley said we didn't have anything indicating that the taliban would essentially retake the entire country within seven days the intelligence community saying otherwise somebody's this is like the the line from the old dire straits song is that two men say they're jesus one of them's got to be wrong that's what this feels like okay somebody's not telling the truth right now there got to be hearings on i mean they got they knew of course they knew they were ready to take the country in seven days they they'd known that we were evacuating for like eight months they've been ready for this moment no but we weren't supposed to pull logistics and support for for the afghan yeah they smell blood and they seize the opportunity
Starting point is 00:10:33 well there were videos going back uh a month or two ago where the afghan commandos were fighting back and then when there's this video it's horrifying they run out of ammo so they surrender and the taliban comes in and executes them all, films it all, puts it on the Internet. So they didn't immediately just say we give up. No, the Biden administration abandoned them, as you mentioned, didn't even tell the commander, the Afghan commander. He was the airfield commander there. Just Bagram. Yeah, Bagram.
Starting point is 00:11:01 He was the Bagram commander of the Afghan army. I'm looking at a satellite image of Bagram and Kabul. Who in their right mind would think that evacuating Bagram would make any sense? If you look on the map, they're like in a valley together, Kabul and Bagram, surrounded by mountains, like defensible location. Why would they abandon that airstrip? The only way you can get to that airstrip is with trucks or with an Air Force, neither of which, well, the Taliban have trucks. Well, they have an Air Force now.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Yeah, they do. Because we abandoned Bagram. This is the thing. Biden also claimed today that he was advised by his top commanders and military advisors that Bagram could be left because it didn't provide much of a strategic output. So, again, I don't want to jump on the impeach train or whatever too soon but at this point there need to be hearings especially now that american blood has been shed which i just want to clarify one of the more really irritating and insidious narratives that has been kind of bubbling up in the press right now is
Starting point is 00:11:57 well you know not a lot of americans have died yeah what about our afghan allies who are being hunted they're being executed they're being in their homes are being you know door to door they're being dragged out in the street they're being executed. Their homes are being door to door. They're being dragged out in the street. They're being tortured. That doesn't matter just as long as American blood is not shed. And now they're saying, well, you know, the bombs go off. It happens all the time.
Starting point is 00:12:15 And, of course, that's why we're getting out in the first place. It's not Biden's fault. No, I'll tell you what I said, what many people said, what almost every single person we've had on this show has said. It is such common sense. Abandoning American citizens in Kabul, abandoning Bagram Air Force Base, you better prepare yourself for what's to come the next several days when we start seeing the blood of Americans and our allies. Now, what we're seeing here, man, it's like it's got getting punched in the gut
Starting point is 00:12:43 because we knew it was bad already. And I kind of feel like in the past few days i was thinking like wow biden screwed this one up but hearing that they were securing the the the airport and they were getting out i was like okay he botched this americans are going to be stranded but maybe this ends at the very least without reaching this level like i didn't i didn't part of me i guess wanted to hold out thinking like we're not going to see you know bombs going off at the airport i i'm i mean i guess i'll just disagree i thought the moment that they bottlenecked themselves in kabul it's surrounded by the taliban we're completely at the mercy i'm what i'm saying emotionally
Starting point is 00:13:18 i was i was i was sitting here thinking like it's going to be okay like the americans are in trouble that i get our allies they're in there but i have a feeling like there's going to be okay like the americans are in trouble that i get our allies they're in there but i have a feeling like there's a chance that we're gonna we're gonna at least just taper off here it's not going to escalate to that point and it was i think it was me being i was just naively hopeful well but also like i was saying before the show to the taliban i think the taliban wants to be recognized legitimately as the government of afghanistan so they're willing to play ball here and and make sure these people get out safely. But there's lots of rogue elements with explosives that want to kill.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Well, ISIS-K has claimed responsibility for the bombing today, which apparently ISIS-K is the off branch of the old ISIS. But to your point, I think a lot of us are going to have to prepare ourselves emotionally, mentally, spiritually, whatever, for if there are Americans left behind, which I guess I should add right now, the White House is very clearly signaling that they themselves believe Americans will be left behind. They will be captured, and we will see happen to them, most likely, what ISIS has done to their prisoners.
Starting point is 00:14:15 They line them up in their orange suits, and they make propaganda out of them. It's worse than that. My friends, I hope you are prepared for the next story we have for you, and I hope you're prepared for the next story we have for you, and I hope you're prepared to sit, I hope you're sitting down for this. With the amount of people that are estimated to be trapped in Afghanistan, be it Afghan allies, even the citizens, but American citizens especially, who we have a responsibility to as our, you know, our brothers and sisters, as well as our Afghan allies for sure, and to humanity in general,
Starting point is 00:14:45 there's estimates between 1,000, 2,000 at the low end, where they're like, oh, there's about 1,000 or 2,000 left of American citizens we've got to evacuate. Some are saying that it was NBC News report 15,000, then they evacuated about 4,500, so it might be 10,000. When we hear, and I want you to remember this, that there are American hostages, I want you to remember what the Biden administration did from Politico. U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans and Afghan allies to evacuate. Quote, basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list, said one one official, one defense official.
Starting point is 00:15:20 I don't see why that would be untrue for the Americans. Biden did this with Vladimir Putin. Remember that? He was like, hey, here's the list of things we don't see why that would be untrue for the Americans. Biden did this with Vladimir Putin. Remember that? He was like, hey, here's the list of things we don't want you to attack. And they're like, thanks for the hit list
Starting point is 00:15:30 of your most important infrastructure. Now they're coming out and being like, here are the people we really care about. And they're like, oh, so the ransom's doubled, eh? Or not even the people
Starting point is 00:15:39 we care about. Hey, by the way, here are these people. These people have been hiding. They've been begging for help. It was actually my old buddy from Washington Examiner, Phil Wegman, who's now with Real Clear. He was the one who asked the president today at the press conference
Starting point is 00:15:51 about this report. He says, can you comment on it? And the president essentially confirmed it, saying there may be such lists being given to the Taliban, but I'm not sure, which is, again, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me that the commander-in-chief apparently doesn't know what's going on over there. We've seen the Taliban beating people.
Starting point is 00:16:06 There's a video of an Australian man. He's being beaten. He's covered in blood. The Taliban can claim whatever they want, but they – look, the leadership, like you mentioned just previously, Ian, that they want to be seen as – they do want to be seen as a legitimate government. They're calling themselves the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. They don't want to be just this rogue element, the Taliban. They want to be the government. But they can't control their own people.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Right. Stuff gets leaked. That list is going to get leaked. Look, even if they want to be a legitimate government, I think the fact that we're losing sight of the fact that it's the fanatic death cult, and we are now completely at their mercy. Look, I can get down this road later. We are the greatest country, the biggest superpower.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I love America, and we are completely beholden to the whims of a fanatic death cult in Afghanistan. By choice. By choice. By Biden's choice. And the fact that there's a question about whether this administration won't move earth and heaven to save its own citizens. Any country or government that doesn't make every possible effort to rescue its own people is not a country that deserves to be won. I got to read you this paragraph. U.S. officials in Kabul gave the Taliban a list of names of American citizens, green
Starting point is 00:17:12 card holders and Afghan allies to grant entry into the militant controlled outer perimeter of the city's airport, a choice that's prompted outrage behind the scenes from lawmakers and military officials. It seems like the Biden administration is treating these people like any other country or government when they literally just stormed in, killed a bunch of Afghan security forces, started taking over cities. And they're like, yeah, here, here's a list of names for your checkpoints. Do you think that the Taliban checkpoints are legitimate checkpoints where they're going to be like oh yes an american passport right this way sir or they're gonna be like we got an american okay right that way sir maybe to your point they might for the americans
Starting point is 00:17:52 because they don't want to start another another match who knows if biden will actually make good on his threat to know if that isis k will be met with swift retribution those afghan allies those people are as good as dead the taliban will make an example out of them. Oh, yeah. Those people don't have a chance. Now they know where they are, and they know they're coming. This is the one thing that I think might naively be giving me hope, that the Taliban is scared. You start going after these American
Starting point is 00:18:15 citizens, and you're going to give them an excuse for re-entry, and they want the Americans gone. They want us out. Right. The Afghans who are staying behind, well, they're the they're the apostates they're the refugees they should be admitted status refugee status our allies oh absolutely translators the families of the translators the fact that we didn't get them out first what were we what did they we knew this was going to happen we knew the taliban would come
Starting point is 00:18:41 after these people anyone with the tar we saw this in irq after i isis came i got it my brother served in iraq as a u.s marine and one of the first things isis did when they came to power and started marauding through the middle east is they killed anyone who worked with the united states marine so a lot of guys my brother worked with are now dead there's precedent for this but where we're at right now is that u.s officials actually gave the names of these people to the taliban that that That's a kill list. I agree with that defense official. Like we can say, we're crossing our fingers that the Taliban has enough control. They're going to say, get these Americans out of here
Starting point is 00:19:12 before we cause more trouble. But this list of Afghan citizens who worked with them, now they're done. I mean, the Biden administration in this regard, I think is correct in that we have shared interest with the Taliban. We want to leave, they want us out. So they may play ball to a degree. but the fact that here we are hoping and praying
Starting point is 00:19:28 please fanatic death cult play ball i mean this we put ourselves in this the biggest most powerful country in the world aside from maybe china has put itself in this position and now we're just hoping and praying but i'm telling you you know those afghan allies they are as good as dead you know how we put ourselves in this position how How? Trump was anti-elected. Could you just explain that? There was no enthusiasm for Joe Biden in the election. None. It was like 20% or something.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Enthusiasm for Donald Trump was in the 90s. Enthusiasm against Trump was also very, very high. And so this is what happens when you say, we will literally vote for anything because the orange man is bad. We had a man in Joe Biden who couldn't talk. So they made up that he had a stutter. You go watch videos from Joe Biden when he was in the Senate. He doesn't have a stutter.
Starting point is 00:20:17 He never had a stutter. Maybe when he was a little kid, I guess. Fine. Now they're claiming that his inability to speak, his memory failings. Oh, it's just he's got a stutter. Stop being mean to him. No, no, no. People were willing to elect a man who was old and incapable simply because they hated Trump.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And I mentioned this the other day. I genuinely believe there would at least be adults in their room like, OK, well, you know, this happened. But there's going to be some adults in the room who are at least going to be like, you know, when grandpa falls asleep, I'll take this over and we'll finish up these documents and get a plan ready and just, you know, wheelchair him into the sun with a little burlap blanket on his lap. No, they didn't. And now I kind of understand what's really going on with this administration, that Biden's at the meeting and he mutters and stumbles and they all just kind of look at each other and go, whatever, because all I care about is me. Where's Kamala Harris when all this goes down?
Starting point is 00:21:06 Don't look at me. She's gone. So now I genuinely believe that in this administration with Joe Biden, Millie, Kamala Harris, they don't know. They don't care. They're probably just thinking like, hey, man, I'm not going to do anything that puts me in, grants me the responsibility for this one. So if Biden mutters and falls asleep we're just gonna say fine because then when it all goes belly up his fault not ours right instead of being the adults in the room and being like biden abandoning an air force base for an embassy
Starting point is 00:21:35 is a bad idea mark milley what did he say he said i was ordered to guard the embassy did you maybe just think um mr president we have to guard the Air Force Base. How are we going to evacuate people? No, he was just like, you got it. White rage. Right. I mean, these are career bureaucrats. Someone like Kamala Harris isn't going to risk everything she's climbed her way to the top to get in order to tell Biden no. In order to save 20,000 people.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Yeah, she's not going to risk her career. Are they really that craven? I mean, to me, this is one of those things. i'm trying to think of like a parallel and that's too dark it's such it's pretty dark well okay catholic sex abuse is such a clear cut thing that the church should be fighting i'm a roman catholic by the way so i'm not just dumping on the catholic church the fact that it is struggling to deal with what is clearly a vile and evil thing, and it's turned into a like, you know, it's difficult sometimes. No, no. This is so easy.
Starting point is 00:22:29 How are you struggling with this? Likewise, in a different thing. That's dark. It's very dark. Let's get back to the administration. No, but it's something like that. It was like, how are you struggling with the question of getting every American out? This is so easy.
Starting point is 00:22:42 This is so basic. Every major great civilization has put a premium on its own people and the fact that they're actually using language the one thing watch this jen thacky and all of them are saying using that weird phrase that terminology americans who wanted to leave right they're already laying the groundwork for the americans who are going to be left behind because they can claim they didn't want to leave actually the president said that today in his press conference he said there were a lot who didn't want to leave because they got family and the thing is once america pulls out
Starting point is 00:23:06 and taliban takes over who is going to double check that claim a bunch of american journalists are going to fly into taliban control afghanistan this is priorities what is the what what has the biden administration prioritized nation building that's it so when when they decide they're going to be getting out american citizens are not their priority at all. It's just this was our priority. We're leaving. Fine. Everything else we don't give a damn about.
Starting point is 00:23:32 But how can it not be? Look, let's put the moral aspect, the way that it's morally decrepit that they are dancing around this issue and hemming and hawing on the issue of saving Americans and Afghan allies. Let's look at the political issue. This doesn't go away. I know Reuters reported recently that the White House strategy is essentially to just wait this out. They think people will forget about it after it comes and goes. No. This is going to be so much worse.
Starting point is 00:23:57 First of all, it already is worse than Saigon. And Saigon didn't have people with cameras in their pockets everywhere. You had a couple of major news wires taking photos. Everyone is going to see this. And I'm telling you, if Americans are left and they're captured and they're made into propaganda tools and killed and executed, you don't weather that. No, he's got to resign. No, he – and then you have President Kamala. I know.
Starting point is 00:24:20 I tweeted that. I said, with all the talk about impeaching Joe Biden, which would you prefer, President Biden or President Harris? Most people said President Biden. I know, right? Can I just take the arsenic? Somebody said, don't forget to include Pelosi because if you get Kamala, I don't see grounds for impeaching Kamala. Well, it turns into this whole weird thing where the Senate is already split. So I don't even think she gets the vice president because that's a lopsided vote.
Starting point is 00:24:44 That's a whole weird thing on it. So that's a parliamentarian well but we get into the issue so what is the political angle i can't look the moral angle we can simply maybe simplistically say they're just bad people which i think is fairly true at this point but the political angle is like what are you doing so i keep coming back to this is why are we doing it this way you are going to get killed in the midterms. You're going to get killed in the election. If there are images of mass groups of Americans getting executed, God forbid, I'm not going to knock on wood like Joe Biden. He did that in his interview with George Stephanopoulos.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Did you see that? He knocked on wood? Yeah. When Stephanopoulos was like, was this the best way to do it? And he's like, look, you know, it's working out. And Stephanopoulos said, there's a lot of pandemonium. And the president, I'm not making the same, but look, nobody died. And then he continued. I was like, oh, God,
Starting point is 00:25:30 you're actually knocking on wood. Literally doing it. You want to know? So politically, why are they doing this? There's no upside to what they're doing. There's no rhyme or reason unless chaos is the answer. Because Biden is incompetent. He is well past his his his abilities
Starting point is 00:25:47 to do this in his age and the people around him are just sitting there waiting to to scoop up the scraps it's it's it's it's almost like there's no one there to actually support administration it's an that's why i say trump got anti-elected because this is not an administration they're not stepping up and saying biden let me take care of this. Let me try and fix some of this. They're just sitting there. I'd imagine Kamala Harris is sitting behind the curtain with a grin like, oh, it's almost my time.
Starting point is 00:26:14 This is exactly what I was hoping for. You want to know, out of everybody, who's actually doing stuff for the people in Afghanistan? This surprised the hell out of me. Well, Glenn Beck, I hear. Glenn Beck. Check out this story from The Blaze. Glenn Beck travels to the Middle Beck. Check out this story from The Blaze. Glenn Beck travels
Starting point is 00:26:26 to the Middle East, shares updates from Afghanistan rescue efforts, and photos featuring scores of Afghan Christians boarding private planes. Glenn Beck is an extremely wealthy man.
Starting point is 00:26:39 He has absolutely no reason. He doesn't need to do this to prove anything to anybody. He's rich going to bolster. He's rich already and successful with a massive brand and a massive company. And he's doing this because, in my opinion, he means it. And he's doing something good because he can. That, to me, is incredible.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Some other people, there's a lot of organizations that are fighting for this as well, that are trying to get people out. We saw that one individual, I think his name was Matt Z zeller was that his name yeah he appeared on msnbc talking about how they've been warning the biden administration as a former afghan veteran that's right about our allies who need our help i could not imagine you know uh being somebody uh who served over there who met a lot of good people who risk their necks to help you secure secure the city you know stop terror attacks and then when you leave our government says oh that guy you knew and worked with for a few years your buddy we're going to leave him to die but to but not to rehash all that we got this story about glenn beck this is really incredible the blaze reports and the blaze is glenn beck's
Starting point is 00:27:42 outlet conservative firebrand glenn beck and the Nazarene Fund's incredible efforts in rescuing Afghan Christian refugees are paying off, and Beck and the Nazarene Fund together have been able to free scores and scores of people from war-torn Afghanistan. Absolutely amazing. At the time of this reporting, the Nazarene Fund has raised more than $30 million to aid in the rescue of Afghan refugees. In an early Wednesday morning Instagram update, Beck wrote, I cannot specify for international
Starting point is 00:28:08 relations and security reasons exactly where I am today, but I am in the Middle East at the home base of operations for the Nazarene Fund. I will try to join radio podcast right at the top of 9 a.m. on The Blaze. So I'm not sure he's actually in Afghanistan himself. He may be at like the ingestion center, which could be only a few hundred miles away, just over a border or something, maybe Uzbekistan. He hasn't said where. But regardless, for him to go and do this I think is absolutely incredible.
Starting point is 00:28:35 And the people who are able to do it, it's absolutely amazing. They say, late Tuesday night, Beck shared a video of himself in what appeared to be a plane in which he said, just got a briefing a few minutes ago on what's been happening today and what's been going on overseas. We are still moving people at this point. It's like you're a Christian. You're a female judge. I don't care. Get on the plane from Afghanistan.
Starting point is 00:28:52 It is horrible, horrible to hear what we are now. We are now cutting our time short. 72 hours. Why is the U.S. now making a bad situation much, much worse by having them cut our deadline? Why am I sitting here praising Glenn Beck for flying in on his own dime to rescue people? I don't get it. I really, really don't get it. Why is he doing the job at the State Department and the Department of Defense? Why did they abandon their helicopters? Why did the US abandon air equipment?
Starting point is 00:29:21 I know. It seems like it was intentional, man. I can't. Look, look. I always try to give the benefit of the doubt. I know. It seems like it was intentional, man. I can't. Look, look. I always try to give the benefit of the doubt. I always say I want to make the least amount of assumptions. But how could it possibly be that they're, for one, screwing up the... They didn't evacuate Americans or allies. They abandoned an Air Force base in the dead of night
Starting point is 00:29:38 and didn't tell the Afghan security forces. How is that an accident? I don't know. Again, I was saying, I don't want to jump on that. I don't want to do the resistance thing, jump on impeachment every chance I get. There have to be hearings on this. I need to know. We all need to know what happened.
Starting point is 00:29:51 And I just want to clarify real quick when I was saying Glenn Beck's doing the job of the State Department and the Department of Defense. Actual soldiers, actual Marines, actual State Department officials and CIA have been doing everything they can. I'm talking about leadership is what I'm dumping on right now. I don't want to.
Starting point is 00:30:06 I'm not speaking ill of the rank and file who are actually out there risking their lives. Clearly, as we saw today, I'm you know what? You know, it has always bothered me. I remember during the Bush era when I was like a teenager, we were always complaining about war. Didn't understand what the point of being in these countries was. But we always agreed on one thing. Not everybody. We don't blame the troops.
Starting point is 00:30:28 No, we respect them because they're the ones who stood up and said, you know, we're here to serve the country in good faith. We were angry with the establishment machine, the neocons, the big, the military industrial complex, complex, sending our brothers and sisters, men and women in uniform, our children into harm's way. And for what? And so right now it is the worst of the worst example of this. 13 U.S. servicemen and women are dead because for one, the nation building and two, when they were exiting the country, they just did not care. Or I'll tell you this. You know what? The people who voted for Joe Biden, you chose this. You chose to have an emperor with no clothes.
Starting point is 00:31:15 I'm going to shout it out to Sam Harris. You guys probably know Sam Harris. He is a very prominent podcaster. And, of course, he was always very anti-Trump. During the election, he was always ragging on Trump, very much so. He quote tweeted himself. In an old tweet, he said, feeling overwhelming gratitude for the adults in the room on January 20th. Today, he quoted that and said, publicly eating these words syllable by syllable.
Starting point is 00:31:40 Good. How could he not have seen that? See, that's that's how could he have not have seen that see that sam harris man to that point you say biden voters voted for this the thing that anyone could have seen this coming biden has been in congress since 1973 he has a track record he's known this is like when donald trump became president and people especially the people like the liberals who boosted him over marco rubio during the prim, are like, oh, my God, how could he be like this? It's Donald Trump. He has been like this since he's been in the public eye.
Starting point is 00:32:10 None of this is new. This is who he has always been. This is his whole persona. Biden is a known entity. If you did not know that he is one of the worst people on foreign policy, he's been wrong about every major foreign policy issue since the 1970s that's on you you was on you to do your research to listen but to your point about being unelected uh trumping trumping anti-elected that's the thing i actually i can't remember it was a guest on your own show who was talking about this he's been one of the things that the press did in a quick sidebar i will say
Starting point is 00:32:41 one thing that's really impressed me as much as anything about Afghanistan has impressed me. The press coverage has actually been really good. It's been thorough. It's been damning. It's been completely just straightforward. They love war. You know what I mean? So the one time you're getting an honest approach is when Biden screws up the war they want. I don't know if Clarissa
Starting point is 00:32:59 Ward at CNN loves war. No, no, no. It's just the editors. They choose what's going to get them money, what's going to get attention and so right now this is this is ratings but to the point we heard with the veritas leaks we know what cnn's all about but but i agree i do i do the point i cannot remember his name he was a guest on your show he was talking about one of the things the media and the democrats democrats did is they terrified people every single day everything trump did was new. It was unprecedented.
Starting point is 00:33:27 We've never seen anything like this before. This is the worst thing. Every single day, even normal stuff like dumping fish food in a koi pond in Japan. And it was edited. It was a fake video. It was a fake video. I know. This is one of those moments you write about it. I'm like, what am I writing about?
Starting point is 00:33:39 Because they meant, oh, my God, you know what happened in Japan? Every single day, they terrified people into voting for anything that was orange man. I like to use the plumber analogy, but I think at this point we should use the mechanic analogy. I'd like you to imagine that your car breaks down and you have two mechanics before you. And one guy is this tall, loud-mouthed orange guy going, it's a disgusting horse car. It's nasty. I hate it, but I'll fix it. I'll make it run.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Your car will be great. And you're like, oh, geez. And then you look over and there's another guy and he's asleep. And when you're like, yo, are you going to fix my car? He goes, turn it on a shot of pressure. And you're like, I'm going to go with that guy who just said something random, some random gibberish sentence. I don't even know what he said.
Starting point is 00:34:20 And I'm going to trust it. And then you get in your car, you're driving down the street, and then you're coming to a red light and you press the brake down and nothing happens and you're like, what's happening? I'm so surprised that I chose the guy who couldn't even speak
Starting point is 00:34:30 and now my car crashes. But that's the thing. It's not even who he was in 2020. There's 40 years of history to look at. I know so many people who voted for him over Trump because they said, I voted for character,
Starting point is 00:34:41 competence, and decency. And Biden is neither of those and he's shown that repeatedly. And I would say, too, to the issue of people being terrified every single day because everything was unprecedented. The irony of that now is the United States gearing up to abandon U.S. citizens in a Taliban-run country. That actually is as terrifying as all the BS, most of the BS they said about Donald Trump for all years he was president. So we come to this area now, and it's like, where are we supposed to go? So you say Biden.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Oh, yeah. The guy who's clearly not who he was in 2012. That's what I can say about him. I covered him in 2012. I covered him in 2020. And I can tell you right now, Biden is not the man he was in 2012 when he filleted Paul Ryan during the vice presidential debate. But even beyond that, one of the greatest tricks in American politics is that Joe Biden rebranded as his kindly old ice cream eating uncle. He's been one of the meanest knife fighters in the Senate.
Starting point is 00:35:32 He was famous for it. And for some reason, people who've been covering Congress and the United States and U.S. politics for much longer than I ever have just went along with it. Old Grandpa Joe loves his grandpa and his pa and Scranton. And I was like, what? We all know who he is. We've seen this over and over again he is a ruthless cunning self-serving money grubbing plagiarist plagiarist oh yeah i mean he made up over and over again he had a drop out story about his own wife and daughter died who does that he claimed the sociopath he claimed the man. Sociopath. He claimed the man was A, at fault, and drunk. None of that was true.
Starting point is 00:36:07 He's a sociopath. He's a bad person. And I know people in 2020, after 40 years, 40 years of facts and details in history, going, I voted for character. Where? What character? Trump was a character. Trump had a lot. Man has too much character.
Starting point is 00:36:22 Yeah, that's right. And, you know, all the things they would say about Trump, it's like, the big problem is's right and and you know all the things they would say about trump it's like the big problem is listen man to all the trump haters i'm like i hear you on a lot of it but bro when you come to me like i would sit down with someone like why do you dislike trump seven out of the ten things they said were fake news did you see what happened with shinzo abi when he's like just dumping he's making us look bad i'm like oh you mean when he did what shinzo did first like shinzo dumped the food in so trump said okay and then followed suit you're blaming him for that well he's meeting with with with dictators and i'm like negotiating peace deals with dictators is a bad thing now obama did it you know the castros
Starting point is 00:37:00 which i didn't care for i'm not saying that's necessarily good but the idea is that this is unprecedented we've never seen this before in their history like we always negotiate first i mean you can always find people betray your allies in the worst case scenario you know the very fine people hoax joe biden used to launch his campaign yeah a lie i did for 2017 i did a database of all the bogus and sloppy and just flat out false reporting of the Trump administration. And it ended up being about a 13-page document if you print it out. And I stopped after 2017 because it was too much work. It was so much nonsense.
Starting point is 00:37:35 To the point, even now people are continuing to talk about it. Drawing a blank on his name, he's a presidential historian who works for NBC, is still railing against Melania Trump's renovation of the Rose Garden. Talking about how she made it into some weird sort of fascist icon. She just returned it to the 1962 Kennedy blueprint. And he's like, she's destroyed what Jacqueline Kennedy made for us. Remember when CNN reported that Trump's salt and pepper shaker was larger than everyone else's? How are these stories? And it wasn't even necessarily Trump's pepper shaker.
Starting point is 00:38:02 It was like in front of him to the right was like two larger square shakers and then to his left was like smaller ones and they're like look it's bigger it's like i'm sure everyone's you trump doesn't have like his own he pulls out of his coat he's like it's mine i remember once looking up and cnn had a chyron and it said trump gets two scoops of ice cream and i was like go turn cartoons on literally anything else what am i what am i to be though, that woman does these. Her whole gag is that she does goofy, funny recording stories. But the problem is that all of CNN started to look like all of her. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:38:35 All of CNN picked up the story. And then I ended up seeing, I don't know which show it was, but they were like, two scoops of ice cream. And then they ran the story. I'm willing to bet Jeff Zucker was like, hey, that actually plays well can you re-roll it like in the next show you know you know what jeff sucker he was he was uh he is he out at cnn he's still there right he's still there do you know uh so for those that aren't familiar he's the president i believe right president of cnn yes oh i'm getting hazy as chief something or other of it what was his job before cnn nbc
Starting point is 00:39:02 and what did he produce at nb The Apprentice. That's crazy. Which is a? Donald Trump joint venture. Reality TV show. Reality TV show. I've written about this. Jeff Zucker's stewardship of CNN has turned CNN. CNN has WWE-ified the news.
Starting point is 00:39:16 It's all about heels and faces. You got the good guys and the bad guys. And tonight, Don Lemon's going to take on parents who love their children and don't want them to be masked. Like last night, he was like, just because you have kids doesn't mean you should have them. Yeah, I said it. Like this isn't new. Just because you have kids doesn't mean you should have them. Yeah, I'm not making this up, by the way.
Starting point is 00:39:32 He was railing against – Like to the stage to take your kids from you? He was railing against parents who are anti having their kids masked for eight hours a day in school. And his big – the big line that people at Mediaite wrote about and stuff was just because you have kids doesn't mean you should. Period. Yeah, I said it. Wow. This isn't even analysis. You just... I can't even say the word.
Starting point is 00:39:50 You just... What is this? This is WWE-ifying. That's not fair, though, to WWE. Yeah. Because WWE is over-the-top fun. Also, as I've written before, WWE also has the courage to admit what it is and doesn't pretend to be anything else.
Starting point is 00:40:06 But when I watched this clip recently, I don't know when it's from. I don't watch it. But it was John Cena's birthday or something. And do you know this clip? He walks out and everyone's pointing and he looks over and there's a present and he opens it and it's a folding chair. It's funny. It's funny. It's also fake.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Right, but that's the thing. WWE is fake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. Hold on. fake. Yeah, they know. Right, but that's the thing. WWE is fake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. Hold on. It's supposed to be real. I don't like the word fake when talking about wrestling because it's entertainment. It's fiction.
Starting point is 00:40:31 I'll put it that way. It's fiction. CNN is not supposed to be fiction. Right, but that's the thing. They have the same approach, which is heels and faces. There's good guys. And since Donald Trump left office, their ratings have tanked. It's been across the board.
Starting point is 00:40:41 People don't know what to talk about. That's why you find the next thing. They've been focusing on Tucker Carlson and Fox News. And Fox News has to be. People don't know what to talk about. That's why you find the next thing. They've been focusing on Tucker Carlson and Fox News. Fox News has to be the new Trump because Trump's out of office. They've tried. I love it. Brian Stelter is like, he keeps trying to pin it on someone else. Is
Starting point is 00:40:55 Tucker Carlson the new Trump? And then who else did he accuse? They went after Marjorie Taylor Green. It didn't stick. They went after Tucker Carlson. It doesn't stick. Yeah, they found a new person, it seems like, every week. They try to accuse someone else of being the new Trump because they are desperate to find a Trump. Right. There's only one stone cold Steve Austin, though.
Starting point is 00:41:12 I'm sorry. You just can't replace him. And you see this in the news. You see this in MSNBC. Honestly, if you told me in 2016 that MSNBC would be the slightly more reputable network than CNN during the Trump era, I would have said, you're crazy. But I have to say it, MSNBC actually was more reputable for all those years.
Starting point is 00:41:32 But all this kind of seems almost beside the point. We have the president who we have now because people were told they need to be terrified of the other guy because the stuff he did was dangerous and going to get everyone killed. And the irony now is we're looking at a situation where a lot of people,
Starting point is 00:41:47 God forbid, just keep praying, that doesn't happen in Afghanistan. And this is what we're at. And I find myself, look, I don't blame Biden voters. There is a part of me, though, that is largely angry because Biden is such a known entity. If you did not know this is who he is, that's on you. You had 40 years of material to look over. There's a few ways I approach this. So for one, you know, I talked about the other day that when it comes to fascist policies, I blame those who uphold them. So with
Starting point is 00:42:16 like the New York City mandates, who's making the mandate and who's enforcing it? It's the mom and pop shops that are enforcing it because the cops can't go to every single restaurant. No, it's only because the citizens of New York are willing to do it. Who's the one who's confiscating people's weapons and their right to keep and bear arms? It's the police who are doing it. However, with the American voter, I don't necessarily blame every person who voted for Biden. Now, it's true that if you voted for Biden, you voted for this. But the media, who is manipulating and lying and ripping off the American people, deserve a massive amount of the blame for this. At the end of the day, I think it's the responsibility of the individual to be informed. And if you're just watching CNN and believing it without doing any fact checking,
Starting point is 00:42:58 yeah, you bear responsibility. But how do you deal with CNN, MSNBC, and their outright lies over and over again? Look again look man never been a big fan of fox news not a big fan a lot of their hosts but their news like brett bayer is great bill hemmer is great yeah what was that was that new day or no no that's cnn that's cnn that's america's newsroom america's newsroom yeah they do a great job i like chris wallace i know a lot of people don't care for chris wallace on the right after the last election. I like Chris Wallace. I think he's straight with the news. And CNN is anything but.
Starting point is 00:43:29 It's hard to find a straight news reporter. I have this thing on my Instagram from a couple years ago. I think we called it the CNN Challenge. And what you do is you turn on Fox News and then see what they're reporting and then switch to CNN and see if they're reporting on substantive world news. And so the challenge is when you put on CNN or you put on Fox News, what would I get? So I'm like, oh, there's protests in Iran. A week later, it's a hurricane. A large storm is coming to the U.S.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Be prepared. Get supplies. And I'm like, okay, let's see what's on CNN. And what was it? A panel talking about Trump every single time. And Project Veritas had that expose where you had a guy who said, we don't report anymore.
Starting point is 00:44:14 CNN used to go out and go on the ground. Now it's like we all just sit around because they're doing Trump panels all day. I should say, I should clarify that a lot of my criticism is for CNN's primetime US news reporting. There are a lot of people on the digital side who that a lot of my criticism is for CNN's primetime U.S. news reporting. There are a lot of people on the digital side who do a lot of great reporting, especially international reporting. And CNN International itself is almost like its own entity, completely devoid of Zucker's oversight. But you turn on like anything between noon to 10 p.m. and it's just, again, it's like watching professional wrestling but with suits and ties.
Starting point is 00:44:44 You might as well just be watching like a video of chickens clucking. It's like you're going to be an insult to chickens. At least they're doing good, honest work. That's true. It's true. You know, they're feeding families. That's true. But I just mean to say that you're not going to get any information.
Starting point is 00:44:57 No. In fact, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's wrong. Because if you watch chickens clucking, you'll understand chicken clocks after a certain amount of time. You're like, wow, the rooster did that call that must mean danger you turn on cnn you get dumber you get less informed you get misinformed and then they blame everyone else for their problems now you end up with people who live in this matrix dimension the problem look i don't
Starting point is 00:45:20 mind a press that's opinionated i've long time said the idea of an impartial press is kind of a BS idea. Really sort of popularized in like the early 19th century. The idea that, you know, use minimal words and all that was all love. It's about saving ink and paper. I don't mind if you have an opinion or a slant. Just be honest with me. And if you have a slant or an opinion, just be fair in your coverage. Look, if we had a press being as tough and as uncompromising on Joe Biden, things might have gone differently.
Starting point is 00:45:53 I'm not saying he would have lost them. No, we had collusion between big tech and the media to shut down news stories that made Hunter Biden and Joe Biden look bad. And not just that, but you also had the president would disappear for days on end in his basement. And people would be like, oh, well, he's probably having some ice cream now what did donald trump say today like well hold on as it turns out apparently having a president whose entire campaign strategy was to hide in his basement wasn't great because they were seeing it now in real time that's why i say trump was anti-elected people when they when people hit that biden button or or box they weren't saying biden they were saying no trump right spite vote is such a powerful thing look Look, former President Barack Obama
Starting point is 00:46:28 was a very exciting, very likable, very charismatic candidate in his own right. But also, a spite vote in 2008 was a direct answer to George W., who was so unpopular at the time. People weren't necessarily voting against John McCain. They were voting against George W. Bush, who they were very unhappy with. And it helped that the democratic candidate was extremely select and extremely easy to want to vote for oh i mean i wasn't covering politics at the time but even i just casually watching the news knew obama was going to win like you watch that guy and be like yeah no i he's going to be the next president oh yeah yeah and then 2012. No, 2012. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney is such a difficult person because he's such – I think he's a decent man, a good man, and a seasoned and successful executive.
Starting point is 00:47:13 But he always carried himself like he was embarrassed to be a Republican. Like he was always kind of apologizing. He still is. Why? Just own it. I mean this is – it's funny because Donald Trump did to the nth degree what I was screaming during 2012, which was like, own it. You're rich. You're successful.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Own it. And then Donald Trump was like, okay, well, maybe don't own it so hard. Because Mitt Romney cares more about the opinion of the New York Times than he does about the American people. There's so many Republicans like them. They'll never like you. Why do you do this? They will never appreciate you. You're always going to be that weird kid on the playground that amuses them, but you're always going to be that that weird kid on the playground that
Starting point is 00:47:45 amuses them but you're never going to be in the clique yeah they will be like hey bite this bite this worm in half eat this pine cone it's so gross no no get out of here get out of here weirdo anyways you see this with cable news and and even newspapers the the hallowed former gop strategist who hasn't been a republican or done anything conservative for the last 30 years, but they're trotted out to say something bad about Republicans. Because, you know, blue on red, that's expected. But red on red violence, ooh, dramatic. This is great. Bring out Nicole Wallace or Steve Schmidt.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Steve Schmidt. Oh, Adam Kinzinger, a Republican, said, come on, does anybody really – what they're doing with these like – with Bill bill crystal and these neocons who are now all of a sudden cheerleaders of the democratic party jennifer rubin is one of the one of the best right she she she starts cheer she she's the kind of conservative quote-unquote who comes out and says like i'm a principled conservative and trump is bad and the democrats cheer for it and then when trump went when it comes to like stacy abrams she's cheering for stacy abrams then you get the Lincoln Project. They're like, we got to restore the party of Lincoln.
Starting point is 00:48:48 So we're anti-Trump. Then Trump gets voted out and they go, well, Trumpism is still the Republican Party. So we're with the Democrats, I guess. Yeah. You have them going on being like, well, we're going to have to save Gavin Newsom in California. I'm like, what part of this is conservative? Steve Schmidt is marched out to this day on MSNBC regularly in the chyron it says former GOP strategist and he comes out and he's like
Starting point is 00:49:08 the Republican party there's now the party of fascism blah blah blah former GOP strategist he hasn't done anything successful since Arnold Schwarzenegger was re-elected in 2006 he's dining out on that credit for almost as long as we've been in Afghanistan and yet they just pump him out because
Starting point is 00:49:24 this is what they want. These are the Republicans who are Republicans. I would not put Mitt Romney in the same category with Steve Schmidt. But there's that weird strain of, like, embarrassed. Like, oh, I know, my rank and file are loud and they wear red hats. I'm so sorry. People say Rhino, Republican in name only. Oh, I remember that one.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Do people say that? Yeah, absolutely. All the time. But you know who the real rhinos are? It's like Thomas Massey and Rand Paul. Because they're the odd people out. The entirety of the Republican Party is thrown doing nothing. And then you get a small handful of people who actually stand up.
Starting point is 00:49:55 And if I'm going to look at the majority of the Republican Party as, you know, on their best day, a speed bump for Democrats. And then I look at, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boe uh uh ran paul thomas massey who actually stand up for stuff and holly and a few others i'm like they're they're not the same as the republicans arizona democratic senator uh christian cinema is more reliable for what i want and she's the democrat oh and joe mansion i'm like they're actually more aligned with me than a lot of these other supposed celebrity republicans who get trotted out on cable news to go trump is bad and then tucker tucker called lindsey graham a leftist oh lindsey graham i mean right i don't i don't think i have as harsh a criticism when you were saying rand paul was a rhino i was like i think he would not want to be called republican i think he still prefers
Starting point is 00:50:44 libertarian but he's in the republican party so right i mean he's not he's not his father i'll just leave it at the republican party is the the group of weirdos in high school who wish they were in with the popular kids and the democrats are like obama is a celebrity you know he's a rock star they got the media they love it republican the republicans are suit wearing stodgy and unhip and they're not with it so you get all these republicans who are desperate to make the new york times happy because they want to be cool but they'll never be cool nobody likes being hated but it just kind of blows my mind that a lot of these republicans forget you got like 50 in the country if not more behind you you don't have to win over that other half that despises you not for long you don't have well we'll see about that this you know i always come
Starting point is 00:51:29 back to this the idea that you know it's always going to slip away and we just can't win and all that stuff i like and maybe it's too simplistic but if you can't sell and package liberty to voters and maybe you're just a bad salesman maybe the problem is you we need better we i'm a conservative i'm not a republican i haven't been a registered Republican for a long time. Conservatives need better spokespeople, spokesmen and women, if we want to be exact about it. And the idea that, no, it's just not going to work. We can't win. We can't sell liberty.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Why can't we sell liberty? They can certainly sell big government. How can we not package something that's far more attractive? Let me pull up these polls, and we'll break this down. So we got this from Civics democratic party favorable rating 53 unfavorable 41 favorable for the democratic party republican party what do you think it's going to be probably worse the republican party is 62 unfavorable and 26 favorable and you know why that is let's go back to the democrats real quick.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Okay, how do Democratic voters feel about the Democratic Party? 86% favorable, 7% unfavorable. How do Republicans feel about the Democratic Party? 95% unfavorable. How about independent voters? Independent voters say 63% unfavorable, 26% favorable. Okay, so the Democrats overwhelmingly like the democratic party republicans overwhelmingly dislike it and independent voters lean towards not liking it
Starting point is 00:52:51 let's take a look at republican voters and how they feel about the republican party the 65 favorable a 20 drop from democrats in their own party. Republican voters don't like their own party. It's a 30% drop, right? 95 to 65? No, no, no. Democrats were 85% favorable. Look, I'll give Democrats this. They stick together.
Starting point is 00:53:14 They do. They have great, what's the word I'm looking for? Discipline when it comes to sticking together. That's part of the reason why people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stick out, because they don't march the party line, which is different. But the fact that Republicans don't like their own party, I think that might be contributed to the fact that the Republican Party has been feckless for years, that it seems embarrassed of itself. But I also suspect a large part of it might have to do with the fact that conservative voters tend to be highly individualistic, and they're not beholden to a tribe or that sort of loyalty you might see from the team that believes in sort of like the collective, like the Borg floating through space. Not to say Democrats are the Borg. They are.
Starting point is 00:53:52 I love Democrats. Democrats are the Borg. What's the old Reagan quote? It's not that they're wrong. It's just they know so much that isn't true. Yes. That's great. But, you know, so i'm not surprised i think even in during good well yeah even during good years i
Starting point is 00:54:06 think you would still find high unfavorability with republicans because i think part of being a conservative is not being a part of a tribe or beholden to it so if you got some qualms with it you're gonna say it and now i don't want to simplify it and be like ah republican party's fine republicans are just like no republican party's clearly got i think kevin mccarthy's way in and over his head way the worst man for the moment right now I think 97% of the Republican Party is just
Starting point is 00:54:29 it's like it's dead air it's radio silence they don't do anything look a really great example Ilhan Omar
Starting point is 00:54:38 does what you know I've referred to as crop dusting anti-Semitism what do the Democrats do they circle the wagons and they say we're not going to condemn her. We'll condemn hate.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Right. All lives matter. What do they do to Marjorie Taylor Greene? They stripped her of her committee assignment. Because she said stuff before she got elected. The Republicans are sitting there as the losers, and the bully Democrats are like, you want to be with the cool kids? Well, then you've got to go pick on that weirdo. And they go, whatever you say, Democrats.
Starting point is 00:55:06 And then they start, look, are we cool yet? We're insulting our own friends. Yeah, no, like you even get into the area of – I'm not even trying to litigate what she said, whether it was right or wrong. But the fact that Republicans didn't say, look, I don't agree with it, but don't you dare because we'll come for your anti-Semites. And that's the thing too that's the thing too with what marjorie green taylor said you can make very clear argument that was offensive but the stuff that comes out of ilhan omar's mouth and rashida talib is straight up anti-semitic i mean straight up the idea that american jews are pro-israel because of the money i hope i'm sorry what did you just say well the democrats that the dual. The dual loyalties. The dual loyalties.
Starting point is 00:55:45 You can't trust those Jews, you know. And then what the Democrats do, they go, okay, we'll pass a resolution saying all lives matter. That's what they did. I'm not making that up. That's what they did. And then the Democrats were like, that did the trick. Anyway, I'm back to work. No.
Starting point is 00:55:59 And that's why Trump won. Because people finally saw a fighter who was going to be like, I'll fight for you. Oh, look. I'll out myself on this. I did not vote for him in either election. I did not like Trump. He's not my ideal president. I want John Adams for president is what I want.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Yeah, but he's dead, isn't he? Yeah, he died. He died? Oh, God, no. Are you serious? He died in like 1812. I don't think Trump – 1812? I hate to use the word. Really? I Oh, God, no. Are you serious? He died in like 1812. I don't think Trump – 1812?
Starting point is 00:56:25 I hate to use the word. Really? I don't know about that. I hate to use the word because it's so overused by the press and was a concern trolling Republicans. But Trump did not have the temperament for the most important job in the world, not the country. I did not like his opponents, so I certainly didn't vote for them either. Did you vote for Joe Jorgensen? I voted for who I always vote for when I do write in is Mickey Mouse.
Starting point is 00:56:49 I almost wrote myself. But my point that I'm trying to get at after telling everyone my dirty secret is that actually my dirty secret in 2016 is I voted for Evan McMullin. Who's that? I'm so sorry, everyone. He had one job, which was don't embarrass me, and he couldn't even manage that. Guy couldn't even manage a cup of coffee.
Starting point is 00:57:12 It was just a protest vote. I knew he wasn't going to win. I didn't particularly care for the guy. I was trying to register my protest that neither one of these candidates deserves my vote because I don't think either one of them deserves the office. Now, what I can say is the Trump presidency was way better than I thought it was going to be. I think we we being conservatives benefit from the fact that he did surround himself with a lot of good people. He was actually great for pro-life issues.
Starting point is 00:57:36 He was great on foreign policy. The fact that you get Bahrain, the UAE and Israel sitting together signing a treaty. That's amazing. Moving the embassy. This is great. Presidents have just been doing lip service for years. He actually did it. I'm deeply impressed.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Getting prisoners back from North Korea. I'm like, all right. Credit where it's due. The thing, though, is that even having him, you know, I think I would prefer him right now to the thing that's already in office. Yeah. I can't lie. I didn't vote for the guy, but I think I would prefer that because what's happening now,
Starting point is 00:58:07 I don't think would have happened under Trump's watch. I don't think so. It wouldn't have happened under Kamala Harris either. Biden's gone, man. He's got like two days. He can see like two days ahead. He slurs his words. He misspeaks words in his national addresses.
Starting point is 00:58:20 He trails off. He's not a military guy. He never was. And now he's not a military guy ever he never was and now he's like a deranged or like a demented it seems like he's like you know edging towards dementia or if it's not and he's in he's in military command is that is that the answer to our question the why which is that an incompetent man is in charge and he's completely surrounded by yes men not a single person will challenge mark milley wouldn't wouldn't take the risk because he doesn't want
Starting point is 00:58:44 his career to get trashed a month before he retires it's as simple as that that's what that's why what's happening is happening one of the symptoms of dementia is outbursts of rage yeah because people who are losing their mind get frustrated because they they're desperately trying to hold on and so like imagine you're having a conversation and in your mind you're thinking like i would like to talk about you know my dog fido and then you're talking and all of a sudden your mind goes blank and you get angry now you get it so then so you look at some of these things where biden has snapped on reporters remember when he went to that guy and he was he started yelling at him over and over again
Starting point is 00:59:17 yeah and he's done things like that a lot it's because he gets asked a question and he and he's like yes it's like you mentioned you know back in 2012 how he tore up Paul Ryan. And now imagine being that guy who's winning these elections for decades and now you're sitting here unable to speak at the podium. You're going to get frustrated and angry. The only thing I would say, maybe slight pushback on that, is it goes back to my earlier statement about we have a track record. Biden has been snapping on reporters for decades. That's actually how he usually interacts with an uncomfortable or unfriendly question. He's always been an expletive that I won't say on the air. He has always been mean. That's not new. A big jerk. He's a big meanie. This goes
Starting point is 00:59:59 back to what I was saying earlier, the idea that he was able to rebrand himself as this kindly old man and everyone went along with him. It's like, no, he was famously earlier, the idea that he was able to rebrand himself as this kindly old man and everyone went along with him. It's like, no, he was famously mean, famously short with people, famously curt, rude. And then he just... It was...
Starting point is 01:00:14 Just like I was. Didn't Mitt Romney strap a dog to his car or something like that? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, they went for... Do we want to litigate this? They went for a long car ride.
Starting point is 01:00:23 The dog had diarrhea, so they put it in the dog carrier on top of the car. And her name is Gail Collins of the New York Times. I want to say she wrote about 30 articles about it, 30 different columns talking about that dog on the roof. I mean, look, I've never owned a dog. Where do you put a dog that has diarrhea for a car ride? In the carrier? Do you put it on the car or in the back?
Starting point is 01:00:43 Put it in the car. It's a dog. What do you do with a baby? What baby? Baby doesn't have fur. That's true too. It was in a carrier. It was in the carrier
Starting point is 01:00:52 but apparently putting the carrier on top of the car is very bad. I guess. I guess. Would you not put a dog on the car? I don't know. I just thought of that. I thought it was a funny story.
Starting point is 01:01:00 Oh no. We can litigate all of this stuff. So right now we've got we got this story from the Hill. Hawley Blackburn called for Biden to resign. There's been other insinuations that he should be impeached if he doesn't resign. But then what do we do? Do we do President Kamala Harris?
Starting point is 01:01:15 Yeah, please. Anything is better than this guy right now. It's military. He left thousands of people behind. That's right. And they said they didn't want a Blackhawk down moment. They didn't want to send in... This is like the Iranian hostage thing, which was 52 people, 52, and already 13 people have been killed.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Times 100. People didn't die. No one died in that scandal, that hostage scandal that I know of. They were rescued. These people died already. I sound like Jimmy Dore. I'm evoking Jimmy. I love you.
Starting point is 01:01:46 These are U.S. troops who were there knowing the risks. Or they were affiliated with the troops. They weren't all troops, right? They were military. No, there are 13 dead U.S. service members. Service members? No, they're Marines and a Navy medic corpsman. And then there are also civilian casualties, although I don't think we have the numbers on the civilian casualties
Starting point is 01:02:02 yet. Imagine. Bunch of Afghani. Afghani, by the way, is the currency. I know people keep saying that when they try to say the plural. It's Afghan. Plenty of civilian Afghans, I believe, died in the attack. Imagine serving on a ship with a captain who's, you know, let's just call him sporadic.
Starting point is 01:02:20 And you're like, I'm here to do my duty. And then the people who are on shore are like, hey, we're going to put this crazy old man up in there. I can't imagine what it must feel like for a lot of these guys who are like i'm gonna do my best but they know deep down they're in trouble because if biden's can control your ship he fires at the enemy ship and he misses and he does thinks about how to do it again he's got people and then your ship gets hit with the with the artillery round and then all of a sudden everyone realizes they're going to die. And that's what people don't understand can happen in reality.
Starting point is 01:02:49 If you're lazy with military. They didn't think about any of this when, look, Joe Biden campaigned to be president. He said, I want that job. He knew Trump negotiated this deal to withdraw. Biden said, I want to be in charge of the world's most powerful military. And a bunch of people said, I would like that man to have control of the world's most powerful military and to
Starting point is 01:03:11 oversee our withdrawal from Afghanistan and the Middle East. And this is what they voted for. He's been running for president since the late 1980s. He's been wanting this. By the way, I mean, him being president the way he is is like, you ever see that old Twilight Zone episode where the guy is finally alone to read all the books he wants,
Starting point is 01:03:28 but he breaks his glasses? You spend your entire life, most of your entire life, you spend a lot of your life trying to be president, and you finally get it, and it turns out you're too incompetent to even execute the basic duties of your office. It was time now. It was my time. It's not fair.
Starting point is 01:03:42 It's not fair. Come on, man. I'm president. It's not fair. This is not fair. Come on, man. I'm president. Here's the deal. So to your point, if it's just sheer incompetence, maybe Kamala could take it. But the thing, though, is this is status quo stuff. He's not going to get impeached. He's not going to resign unless.
Starting point is 01:03:59 He's not fit for command, though. You've got to relieve him of command. I think you'll have to drag him from the Oval Office with his teeth marks still on him. Yeah, he doesn't want to leave. 25th Amendment. Kamala Harris, what if she comes out? Because 25th Amendment requires the vice president to come out and say the president is not competent. And then Pelosi set up that panel.
Starting point is 01:04:15 They were expecting this. I don't know. Look, you were saying earlier that behind the curtain Kamala is like, this is my time. I don't know. Have you seen her recently in some of her public appearances? She's got a, I don't want to be here right now. Not just shaken, but she sees what's happening and you think she wants to be in charge of this?
Starting point is 01:04:31 The cleanup after this? Would you want it? I wouldn't want it. I would do it, but I don't want it. I would take it if it was there and I had to have it. That's what I'm saying. Is she going to work behind the scenes to take this and I want to clean this up? Here's the difference. Ian, you and Kamala both don't want it.
Starting point is 01:04:49 You don't want it because you don't want to be in charge. You don't want to have the power, but you're willing to accept responsibility to do the right thing to fix the mess. Kamala doesn't want it because she doesn't want to deal with the mess. She just wants the power. You see how that works? She wants the title. Kamala Harris doesn't want to deal with the crisis. She just wants the power. Then she's not fit for command either. Exactly. power you see how that works do you want the title commonly all the front line commonly harris doesn't want to deal with the crisis she just wants the power then she's not fit for command
Starting point is 01:05:09 either exactly but we keep saying not fit for command it extends beyond biden maybe biden is an f-up who doesn't understand foreign policy as he's shown for the last several decades but the generals this is literally their job is knowing this stuff who signed off on all this who okayed it who didn't push backed it? Who didn't push back? Milley didn't push back. But Milley can't be the only one. Who else? So many.
Starting point is 01:05:30 He's the head of the Joint Chiefs. Does there need to be a cleaning up house? They were too busy dealing with white rage, you know? I wouldn't understand. You want to hear about white rage? I got some white rage right now over this. Write General Milley about this. I don't know where it goes from here.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I don't know. It doesn't end well. Who's responsible for this? Who makes the call of where the money goes? Ron Paul's still alive. Oh, Ron. He's such a funny character. He's one of those guys that before,
Starting point is 01:05:59 when I first started covering politics, I was like, this seems like a goofy little man. And then repeatedly it was like, oh, he was right about that yeah and be like and be like well i didn't i didn't doubt him i'm like oh i did i mean the one the one big one i'm sorry i know this is a total tangent was out of the fed and i was like this is silly and then the fed's like you absolutely will not out of this i'm like okay why not okay now you've seen casino remember when sharon stone asks her husband robert de ni, for money because she wants to go see her pimp boyfriend?
Starting point is 01:06:27 And she doesn't want to tell her husband that, but she asks for like $15,000 and he's like, what for? And then she makes a big stink. She's like, I shouldn't have to tell you what it is. And then the line, and I'm always reminded with this stuff, he's like, well, I wasn't interested, but now I am. Yeah. That's how I feel with a lot of the stuff that Ron Paul has talked about.
Starting point is 01:06:42 I'm like, I didn't really have a strong opinion on this, but the fact that you guys are so reluctant to do this, now I'm very curious. I've got to be honest. I'd take a President Ian right now. I'd take a President Tim. I don't want to be President, but I need military strategy at the top of the game right now. I just want to be Vice President.
Starting point is 01:07:00 Just travel the world, shake hands, try new food. It'd be great. We'd be better off with Rick Smith from Dubuque, Iowa, who's a local plumber as president. It's the old Buckley saying. You'd be better off being ruled by three random names from the phone book than most of these eggheads. People can know. You think you can do this better? I'm like, yes.
Starting point is 01:07:18 Me and three completely random people could probably do what's happening in Afghanistan better. I know enough that you'd get the civilians out first like this isn't hard not only that but uh some of the the low-ranking guys in afghanistan could have done a way better job and i imagine that's gonna be really frustrating to be deployed on the ground knowing and sitting there being like why are they doing this they're understaffed and they're under-resourced over there they are working with what they have which is not great and the other thing too i don't think a lot of people have been talking about this sort of psychological angle to this. The guys who are there now
Starting point is 01:07:46 know that they're working on the final chapter to a big foreign policy failure. They know everything they're doing has been a buildup to failure, and they've been tasked now with trying to get the last Americans out while surrounded by the Taliban. Can you imagine what that job is even like?
Starting point is 01:08:00 And then losing at least 13 of your colleagues all on the same day. I mean, this is, none of this had to happen. This was all done by a president in a White House that doesn't know what it's doing or, as some people have suggested, is actually just malicious. I've had those jobs, man, where you're like my boss is dumb and they don't know how this stuff works. There's a lot of jobs you'll get where the manager is hired externally and so they've never actually worked say the uh the soda machine or the cash register and they're sitting there trying to tell you how it works and you're like dude you have no idea what you're talking about right it's frustrating i could not imagine what it must be like to be deployed in afghanistan
Starting point is 01:08:35 and knowing what's going on in the country knowing how the people react knowing what the taliban is and then getting these orders where you're like you want me to do what because this is your life on the line this ain't a cheeseburger a cash register i can't imagine what the u is, and then getting these orders where you're like, you want me to do what? Because this is your life on the line. This ain't a cheeseburger or a cash register. I can't imagine what the U.S. Marines feel like seeing Afghans, possible Afghan allies, U.K. nationals, people with their papers, and they can't take them or go out and defend them because they've been ordered to stay put. The 82nd Airborne has been ordered not to go outside of Kabul to save Americans and other people, while the British paratroopers are going in and the French Special Forces have been going in and doing these sort of daring night raids all over,
Starting point is 01:09:11 and the Americans just have to sit there. I can't imagine how demoralizing, how much of a shock that must be. As an American, look, as civilians, we know the idea that Americans being left behind is such a – this is – I never thought that this could happen. I can't imagine what this is like for a guy who's dedicated his life to being in the armed services. What would it be like to – you can't go out and get those Americans? I can't do that? And we might leave some behind? That's got to – they talk a lot during the Trump year – sorry, not to interrupt.
Starting point is 01:09:42 They talked a lot during the Trump year. Sorry, not to interrupt. He talked a lot during the Trump years about unprecedented stuff. The idea that we are on course to abandon Americans in a foreign country to a terrorist death cult. Nothing like that has happened in this country before. You know what really tears at me? I mean, obviously the U.S. troops and the loss of life is the biggest thing, but I'm just thinking like if they didn't abandon the Afghan security forces the way they did, Afghanistan could have been successful. It could have been. They could, and in fact, you know, we've talked with other vets on the show where they said something like, you draw down, you know, the overall majority, 90 plus percent of American forces and leave a few
Starting point is 01:10:20 commanders or, you know, strategy logistics with some air support, some drones, and it's done. We get out. That minimal support can help keep things secure. And then I look at what happened with evacuating the Air Force bases in the middle of the night, not informing the Afghan security forces. And I wonder if Biden did this properly, would there be a secure Afghanistan right now for their people? I mean, maybe. A big problem that the U.S. military has also reported is that the Afghan government is extremely corrupt and susceptible to bribes and looking at their way.
Starting point is 01:10:54 Another problem that I know a lot of military have reported is that the Afghans that they've tried to train, the training has been very difficult because there's a lot of lack of discipline. I've seen the videos, man. Can't do jumping jacks. Stuff like that. What is it called? Side saddle? People, jumping jacks,
Starting point is 01:11:09 people straight up abandoning, just walking away. Smoking hash. They don't want to hashish because they don't want to do it anymore. So I don't know if Afghanistan would still be standing with just a few things different. I mean, it's not like there was a lack of spending
Starting point is 01:11:23 or a lack of arms or a lack of training. So maybe it would stay in, maybe it would fall. But the White House keeps saying we plan for all contingencies. Apparently, Afghanistan falling to the Taliban was not one of those contingencies. And how you overlook that, despite everything you were being told by your guys on the ground about how difficult it is to train them and how corrupt the government is. Well-known corrupt. Everyone knew that. We all know that. We don't work work in government we don't work in the united states military we know it's corrupt it's interesting i always wondered like what why is bribery so less common
Starting point is 01:11:55 here you know i don't think it is no no no it is it's it bribery is common but it's much less common like i i hear these stories oh look when get pulled over, would you say to the officer how much to make the ticket go away? Of course not. Never going to happen. Not in the U.S. But in Russia. In Russia. In South America too.
Starting point is 01:12:14 In Peru. I was going to say in Costa Rica. I was in Costa Rica once and I was warned the cops will try to shake you down for a bribe. So, okay, yeah, to that point. That's what you mean. It's substantially more common in so many other countries, and I wonder why that is.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Maybe we have more watchdogs? More robust press? Scruples. Rule of law. Fear. Like, I can't do that. That's just wrong, or I could get in trouble.
Starting point is 01:12:38 You know, we know the cops are going to arrest you for it. Most likely, yeah. Yeah, but in these other countries, the cops expect it. I don't know. I mean, I think maybe just a lack of robust law system, lack of respect for law.
Starting point is 01:12:52 I'm not trying to get all, you know, Blue Lives Matter or whatever, but, like, this is a very sort of strong culture in America. You know, you pull over, you respect, dot, dot, dot, and you have that interaction. I have never once been tempted to slide a cop a $50 bill or anything. Yeah, it's weird. I think that would end very poorly for me yeah yeah that would probably i would imagine it's a felony right yeah yeah you can't bribe a cop i i believe rule of law man that's a big big part of the foundation of this this whole project of the united states it's it's sad when people do things that especially people in power do things that are illegal and
Starting point is 01:13:24 don't get reprimanded for it. Like the president's son? Yeah, and like Hillary Clinton with emails. That was viciously illegal, what she did. She skirted all FOIA laws. I'm not all into punishing everyone for every crime all the time. I definitely like leniency,
Starting point is 01:13:38 and these people on January 6th should be released. That should all be pardoned. We need unity right now. But, I mean, at some point you've got to respect law and order. You know why you get January 6th? Because of Hillary Clinton getting away with the service.
Starting point is 01:13:54 I mean, I don't know if the two are generally connected, but I will say one thing that's really demoralizing and easy to give into anger is the expectation that people like Hunter and Hillary will never see justice. They break laws
Starting point is 01:14:06 that anyone else would go away for. This is what I mean. When people feel demoralized, like there's nothing they can do to actually get justice, we're living under anarcho-tyranny, they just, what do you do
Starting point is 01:14:18 when you back an animal into a corner? It's going to fight. You get a rabbit. Rabbits like to run, right? But you put it into a one-dimensional burrow, for instance. They have nowhere to go. They fight. And so that's why –
Starting point is 01:14:30 When people get desperate, they do desperate things. Going back to our earlier conversation about desperation. That's why I agree with you on the pardoning of these people outright because as much as people might not want to do it, you need to be like, okay, we're going to call a timeout on this one. We're going to say, guys, please don't do this. We're going to let these guys go. John Hancock did that after Shea's Rebellion. We've talked a little bit about it. Right after the Articles of Confederation were signed, big, you know, I don't know if you know much about the Farmers' Rebellion that caused them.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Basically, they had to centralize command of taxes because the states were taxing the farmers. The farmers didn't have the money to pay, so they revolted. John Hancock pardoned those guys. I think two people ended up getting put to death for the rebellion, but he pardoned everybody that was involved. Because of that, we have a country today. If he'd persecuted those people, we probably
Starting point is 01:15:18 wouldn't have. I don't know. I haven't actually thought about it. I have been troubled by the fact that some people are still being held indefinitely. That is so pointless and terrifying right now. I think maybe the word trouble is a little too much of a under reaction uh the fact that people are still being held is not right i mean charge them charge them send them a court date at least but this this indefinite detention thing i don't think that's the right response i don't know about pardoning though i haven't quite thought about that i mean a lot of vandalism at least at the very least is a crime right you could say if you pardon them that they
Starting point is 01:15:48 might do it again that argument could be like hey we're not gonna but i mean if you do it a second time you're going away buddy don't don't trespass on on federal property learn your lesson but they weren't there to hurt people well i mean i think a lot of the security forces there that they would would beg to differ. I guess that's a good point. It's contention. Some people think they were there to hurt people. Some people don't.
Starting point is 01:16:08 I see it as that they were there protesting out of rage, but I didn't see any overt attacks. I mean, but there was like the sticks and the beatings and all that stuff. You can see the footage of that. There's a lot of that. It's hard to say. It was a mindless crowd of a lot of different wants. 18 men were convicted and sentenced to death in Shays' Rebellion. 18.
Starting point is 01:16:23 18. Out of 4,000. And he pardoned the rest? Most were granted amnesty for signing, they would say signed confessions acknowledging participation. Several hundred were indicted on charges, but most were pardoned and 18 were convicted and sentenced to death. I got to read more about this whole process because I know John Hancock actually stepped down before that rebellion. He was like, I'm not getting involved. And then the rebellion happened.
Starting point is 01:16:46 And the interesting thing is, it's not Shays, like apostrophe S. It's Shays, his name. His name is S-H-A-Y-S. It was the Shays Rebellion, not Shays Rebellion. Interesting. Yeah. He fought in the Revolutionary War.
Starting point is 01:17:00 And then because of taxes. He came back from the war. They didn't pay his troops in the Revolutionary War. So all these farmers came back from the war. They didn't pay the troops in the Revolutionary War so all these farmers came back from the war with no money. Then they found out
Starting point is 01:17:08 that they owed all this money in taxes because their farm had been accruing all this debt while they were gone. They didn't have the money to pay for it.
Starting point is 01:17:15 So they made them debtor slaves. They put them in prison and the farmers had enough. They would go to the courthouses. And that famous letter from Thomas Jefferson about the Tree of Liberty comes from Shays' Rebellion.
Starting point is 01:17:24 But at the very least for the Capitol rioters, I'm still stuck on the sort of preferred term insurrectionist because I'm not sure if that's explicitly accurate. But at the very least, assaulting a police officer is a crime. A lot of officers were assaulted that day. I know the one was not beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. I'm still kind of amazed at the amount of false information that came out. Which, I mean, I guess I'm not amazed because when you have chaotic events, you get a lot of conflicting reports. Officer Sicknick, according to the D.C. Medical Examiner, did not succumb to any injuries, internal or external, suffered that day. But there is ample footage of people beating police officers, shoving them, the guy getting crushed in the door.
Starting point is 01:18:07 Maybe you could pardon all the trespassing charges and then just, if people were violent, bust them for that. If they broke windows, bust them for that. You can see there was lots of damage done to the Capitol building. The one thing, I mean, it's a tricky issue for me to discuss because there's a lot of the legal ramifications and legalese that's involved in it. But one thing that has always struck me i was watching it i used to when i was living in dc um when it happened i wasn't at the capital it was a couple blocks away where i lived i lived in capital east um i'm sorry hillies whatever it's called uh one thing that struck me though is i thought for sure watching that whole unfold the the crowds, the nervousness, the screaming, the breaking through doors, the shattering windows.
Starting point is 01:18:49 I was convinced that I was about to see live streamed Kent State 2.0. Oh, wow. I am amazed. Ashley Babbitt is dead. Rest in peace. Again, I'm not making any legal judgments on her participation or anything. I don't like it when people or anything. I don't like it when people get killed. I don't like death.
Starting point is 01:19:08 I'm amazed that the one death that's directly attributed, directly connected to the violence that day, there's one death. I'm amazed. Whoever trained those police officers in violent response, I think should get an award
Starting point is 01:19:23 because I thought for sure there was going to be guns were going to be drawn. People you know because they were getting the cops were letting them in what do you mean well some cops were not all of them though but especially when you had like that one part uh where the speaker's chamber it goes in where babbitt jumped in i mean they clearly were not letting him into that that's where they were they were pushing against each other right and then you had the other doors where the cops actually opened them up well no no not the speaker's chamber you had two guards uh two cops guarding it and then they you know i mean the building outside the building some doors where the cops actually opened them up. Well, no, no, no. Not the speaker's chamber. You had two guards, two cops guarding it, and then they were shut. No, I mean the building.
Starting point is 01:19:46 Outside the building. Yeah, but some doors were open. Not all of them. Some of them were forcibly open. You can see the inside footage. What I'm saying is there was this push into, like, one of the center doors, and then you get, like, the SWAT. The cops were special.
Starting point is 01:19:57 They're shoving. People are getting smashed inside the, you know, rotunda or whatever. And then you had doors off to the side. There's video of it. Right. Opened them right up. Some of them, yeah. And the cops cops were like disagree with it but you agree with your right to protest yeah i saw that some cops are taking selfies with them well no that's weird because i remember in the aftermath of that there was a lot of talk about how the cops were in on it and i think that was ignoring that as a as a riot mitigation efforts or ryan mitigation
Starting point is 01:20:21 tactics this is something you can do we can kind of of ferry people, get it out of your system, get out of the building. As opposed to, you know, you're not going to Lord of the Rings stand there with your shield and try to do a battle to the death, especially when you're grossly outnumbered. Now, yeah, I don't know
Starting point is 01:20:34 if we need to litigate all of this, but I just keep thinking about the day and the sort of chaos and confusion. And I'm still amazed that there were not more like itchy trigger fingers. I think that's a huge blessing and I'm amazed. Again, I'm not trying to mitigate Babbitt's death or anything or make any legal
Starting point is 01:20:49 judgment on that. But I'm surprised that there was one death. You were there. I wasn't there. I was not in the building. I lived near there. You were close by though. Close by. Helicopters. Wow. Yeah. And I'm just amazed that it wasn't more violent. Now I know whoever sees this will amazed that it wasn't more violent now i know whoever sees this
Starting point is 01:21:05 who say the instruction wasn't violent i'm not saying that well we now know i'm surprised it didn't spiral more out of control is what i'm saying is now definitive it was not an insurrection as much as we always we always saying we were always saying it wasn't the fd fbi came out and said that there's no evidence of coordination not from the president or anybody else and of the groups that actually plan on breaking and they had no actual plan but does that and see this is why i was saying earlier it's difficult to discuss because does that i don't know if that negates the legal term for um insurrection just because no one's been charged with insurrection just because there's no just because there's no coordination doesn't mean it's not an insurrection i mean storming capital
Starting point is 01:21:40 building during uh congress's business to certify the election doesn't that not technically count as insurrection ask the prosecutors why they that not technically count as insurrection? Ask the prosecutors why they're not charging anybody with insurrection then, because there's none. No. Didn't happen. I guess, but I was just saying, I don't know the fact that there was no coordination. I don't think that means that it wasn't insurrection.
Starting point is 01:21:56 I actually think if there's no coordination, there's no insurrection. Yeah. So like, if you, how are you going to, the insurrection is – the idea is like a direct – it's intent. It's a goal. You're doing a thing for a reason. It was a riot. Yeah. A lot of people who have been interviewed since then who participated, almost to a man, they're like, I have no idea why I did it.
Starting point is 01:22:16 I just got caught up. I don't know if any of you have been involved in sort of a spur-of-the-moment mass activity with a group. Yeah. I covered a bunch of riots. Oh, that's right. I know, to avoid. I was at Mardi Gras. Occupy Wall Street. That's a good one. Mardi Gras in St. Louis. Oh, everywhere. Brazil, Turkey. Yeah, but like, no, no. I was saying like the Zuccotti Park stuff.
Starting point is 01:22:36 Like a lot of that is just, you get this mentality. Let's do it, B-Legends! You don't really think about it. And we've seen this post-insurrection. A lot of people have been like, I have no idea why I did it. I just – we know some people – Mob mentality. Mob mentality. It's a strange, real thing.
Starting point is 01:22:49 It's why people cheer at sports events. Yeah. Why are you screaming? No, I mean – You're excited. You can't disturb the opponent's team if you yell really loud. If someone scores – your team scores a point, you're going to be like – Also, on a microcosm, I was sitting at my friend's baseball game, and my friend hit the ball.
Starting point is 01:23:05 And I went, yeah, really loud. And the first baseman got stunned when I screamed, and the ball went by. I was like, ah, I'm the fourth man. So, no, you can, with the riot, you can break it down to was it insurrection or was it just people got caught up and things got out of control? I think more of the latter is what it seems to me. The thing that i keep coming back to is i'm just surprised it didn't spiral more with a lack of communication half the cops people walked out and just like walking home some people walked out and some
Starting point is 01:23:33 people were hospitalized it's like there was no communication half the cops didn't know what was happening a lot of about 140 police officers suffered various injuries and yet like there wasn't shootings there weren't people you know don't you move i'm surprised that's all i'm saying i'm just surprised i really thought stuff was going to go sideways super fast super oh yeah yeah and i'm extremely grateful i didn't i heard there was tear gas in the rotunda i was like oh man yeah wow it's getting hot like you saw that facebook banned me for that one video of uh the one capital um capital police officer who like redirected the protesters away from the main chamber.
Starting point is 01:24:05 I don't actually believe that. Perhaps. My point, though, in that video, he has his hand on his gun the whole time. Again, I'm just saying everything there seemed to me to be about one degree from going really bad really fast. And it did go really bad for one person. I'm just surprised it wasn't more. They pushed this narrative that he guided the group away or whatever and i'm like i don't believe that was his intent i think he was just backing away from an angry mob i mean
Starting point is 01:24:31 i mean i don't know if that was his intent it's what he did though so even if you fall if you accident into something successful no he didn't though it's it's he went up the stairs and went a specific direction in fact you could argue he actually led them to Pelosi's office. I mean, then they broke in and then they stole her laptop. Why don't we say that? Because I'm sorry, what? Why don't we say that cop actually led them? Oh, he led them.
Starting point is 01:24:55 Look, the cops open the doors. We know that. And then this one cop all of a sudden is guiding the protesters. Next thing you know, they're in Pelosi's office stealing her laptop. Yeah, I think the point is the cop was backing away from an angry mob he didn't want to confront them and he chose a direction to back away the cops should also be pardoned for any involvement in this the people didn't hurt people like you said there wasn't violent there was very very very little violence the ashley babbitt thing's terrifying but she was like forcing her way it looked like
Starting point is 01:25:20 into the inner chamber and you know they're defending the capital um none of these those people basically the the cops and the people kept it pretty civil so i i think we should move on from this my fear is that the patriot act you know terror uh investigators want to use this as an example to like use their state tools of spying on the american people they're putting they put the list together they're going after the communications of Trump supporters. Right, but that's not the liberty angle right now. The liberty angle is to pardon this mess and move on. We have people on their last legs in Afghanistan right now, and we need a country, a unified nation.
Starting point is 01:25:58 Imagine this. Imagine if Joe Biden came out and announced a formal pardon for all of those involved in January 6th, and then all of the Democrats would come out supporting him, being like, you know, we agree this is the right thing to do. But how would that manifest in the culture? Yeah, people would start shivering because they have so much energy and they don't have anywhere to direct it. They'd have to start meditating. But I mean, think about it.
Starting point is 01:26:17 If he did that, Democrats would immediately support the move, saying this is leadership unifying this country. And then Trump supporters would be like, that's a good thing that he's doing. I agree. I don't know if Democrats would get behind it. They are committed to this investigation and this committee. It would be a hard sell. I mean, you would have to sell them on it first, obviously. You wouldn't blindside them.
Starting point is 01:26:38 No, I think if Biden blindsided them, they would immediately fall in line. He better do something if he wants to save face right now. He's got to do some epic diplomacy. No, it's interesting, though, watching some. Again, I think a lot of the international reporting on Afghanistan has been pretty sharp and very sort of like uncompromising. But it's been predictably disgusting watching how a lot of commentators and cable news talking heads. I mentioned this because of january 6th specifically you have people like joy reed uh who've been trying to redirect attention from afghanistan to the january 6th being like we should talk about the terrorists at home yeah
Starting point is 01:27:15 our taliban he's like well first of all we can walk and chew gum at the same time secondly you seem a little too excited about this it almost feels like you're using this like a political chip just a little bit it seems like you really enjoy this and don't want to talk about that clear cluster f over in afghanistan yep so i don't i would say don't let them distract you can do both things at the same time for me right now my obvious interests lie in afghanistan that to me seems to be the more um pressing and horrifying and real no real and clear and present danger the reality is that afghanistan is a distraction for the fact that they should put out a list of trump supporters and they're going after private communications and the fascism is coming to
Starting point is 01:27:54 the united states that's usually half kidding by the way that was like trying to pull focus away from afghanistan too like they're like oh they're the way around yeah there's such bad press this afghanistan thing the reality is all these other things that are popping up right now. It's pro-wrestling. It's just this. It's just the Biden administration and the Democratic Party are just in a weird state of chaos. And that's it. I think the only thing keeping them together is that they have really good discipline when it comes to unity.
Starting point is 01:28:20 They're just sticking together. Yeah. To the point about that list, that to me suggests more than anything that there's a large political angle it's not about restoring our norms or protecting our core democracy or whatever this no they want cliches they're using it's a dragnet they're just they're they're splunking to see what they can catch and that's why no i think i think they want to understand uh trump strategy that's why scott pressler's on the list because he registers registers Republicans to vote. That's what he does, and he cleans up garbage. So they want
Starting point is 01:28:48 to understand the strategy Republicans have for registering new voters. They go after Trump's spokesperson for the campaign. They're just trying to get communications so they can see how he was running his campaign. They want to get sources. It's a big fishing
Starting point is 01:29:04 expedition. Not because I think they want to arrest people, necessarily. They might get to get sources. It's a big fishing expedition, not because I think they want to arrest people necessarily. They might get to that point, but they want free consulting. Like, I mean, look, the stuff that they're going to dig up from these activists costs money for campaigns, and now they're just taking it all. But why would they go through this trouble when they already have stuff like Facebook in their pocket, helping them with all their get out the room? They don't understand how trump rallies people and they want to understand his private metrics they want all of his data going back from april until after the election on the election meaning they want trump all communications between all these different
Starting point is 01:29:37 government agencies and all the people who worked on the trump campaign they want to know every detail of his campaign i know it's not the point, but I did laugh when I saw the list of people because it said all Trump children except for Tiffany. Except that? I was like, what is – poor Tiffany. What is going on there? She's always left out. Doesn't make the list. She didn't make the list.
Starting point is 01:29:59 They're going after all of them but Tiffany. It's a scary thing though, man, that list. To me, it seems just like kind of a desperate fishing expedition. They're looking for something damning. But to your point about Pressler, what does he have to do with any of this? Oh, but I mean, a bunch of people weren't even there on January 6th. And what does their data going back from April have to do with the insurrection, with the quote-unquote insurrection?
Starting point is 01:30:19 Nothing. They're just grabbing a list of prominent and influential Trump supporters, and they're trying to intimidate. They're trying to get access to private information. They are going after their political rivals with the weight of government. This spells the end of whatever you want to call it. I mean, there will be an America in some fashion, but not as we've known it. It can be. It can be.
Starting point is 01:30:42 We can take it back. It'll be spelled with like. I have boundless faith in this country, just not its leaders. Yeah. I don't know, though. You know, we get to this point. I think when we see 37.2% of the country want to secede, have their regional union secede from the greater country. And then you see that the Democrats are willing to pull out producing a list to actually spy on American communications and rival campaigns.
Starting point is 01:31:04 I'm like, man, we certainly crossed that Rubicon some time ago. You know, it's always surprised me. Not surprised me. I found it so amusing during the Trump years. All the mountain of news stories and commentary about how he, him and the Russians stole the election with Facebook memes. Oh, Facebook was weaponized against us. And I was like, do you all forget the glowing thousand plus word profiles you wrote after 2008 and 2012 about the Obama campaign's amazing
Starting point is 01:31:31 Facebook strategy, how they worked directly with Facebook to figure out where to find, I don't want to say not vulnerable, gettable voters and how, oh, the Obama people, they got this, they nailed it, but now using Facebook, oh, my God, you had memes about Jesus arm-wrestling Satan. That's how he won.
Starting point is 01:31:52 That proves it. I mean, when they talk about how Russia hacked our election, and you keep drilling down, you keep asking, how did they steal the election? Well, they put out disinformation. First of all, that's not new. Secondly, what disinformation like that first of all that's not new secondly what disinformation i was actually at the museum i'm sorry no the spy museum in washington dc and they had an exhibit on like foreign propaganda and stuff and they had actually the facebook meme of christ and satan
Starting point is 01:32:17 wrestling it says like if you want trump to win dislike or whatever if you want hillary to lose and i was like you think this propaganda swayed? And find me the American who was on the fence about Hillary until they saw Christ arm-wrestling Satan. And they were like, well, that's convinced me. That convinced me. I'm like, first of all, that person should not be allowed to vote. That's the first thing.
Starting point is 01:32:38 That person's a crazy person. Secondly, that didn't do it. And then you drill down a little further, and they go, well, they hacked Tony Podesta's emails and some other various democratic uh officials i mean you think that swayed the election i would argue the fbi and the 11th hour comey thing hurt her more which i think they believe which is part of the reason they hate comey let's go to super chats if you haven't already smash that like button go to timcast.com subscribe we're gonna have a members only segment coming up at timcast.com and share the show if you like it. Leave us a good review on podcast platforms.
Starting point is 01:33:07 And I'll just mention something, too. Spotify took down one of my other, the Tim Pool Daily show. They took down an episode. I have no idea why. Which episode? It was, I can't remember. It was from a couple weeks ago, actually. Just got an email saying, you have violated the terms and conditions.
Starting point is 01:33:21 Your episode has been removed. And I'm like, for what? From what, like the TimCast channel? cash channel yeah politics it's all politics yeah i have no idea what i could have said or anything i have no idea that's that's like if we're going to write a new constitution for the 21st century part of it has to be that if someone's going to remove your content they need to give you an explicit reason why yeah and and there should be some kind of process for it and a copy of the content as well let's let's let's read some of these super chats we got make 1984 fiction again saying joe biden is responsible for those deaths so he can only seek retaliation on himself
Starting point is 01:33:54 wow yeah that's how you were saying how he's how he freaks out on reporters that's like what he's doing about the taliban we were gonna we're gonna go after with everything we can if they mess if they hurt us it's like like, dude, you put us in this position. Right, and the different talking points, which is, well, this is why we're leaving. Also, I need to put in more troops to go get them. Or we might put in more troops to go get them. I'm like, well, which one are we doing?
Starting point is 01:34:15 And I'm sorry, just to... One of the things that I've found particularly disgusting about all this is his first major press conference on the disaster over there, he actually blamed the Afghans for the Taliban takeover. He basically said those guys are too chicken, whatever word, a bunch of cowards. They're weak. I'm not going to sacrifice American sons and daughters to fight a civil war.
Starting point is 01:34:33 The Afghans won't fight for themselves. They have been 60,000 Afghan police and national security members of the army have died since 2001 fighting the Taliban in their own backyard with every personal risk to their life and liberty in their own backyard. They have nowhere to run if it fails. And he blamed them for all of this. I'll say this, too. I initially praised him for pointing out when we learned that the Afghan security forces just basically abandoned ship.
Starting point is 01:34:59 I was like, you know, he's right about that. Why are we going to fight if they won't? And then we learned about the stripping of logistics, air support, Bagram. And I was like, OK know what? He's right about that. Why are we going to fight if they won't? And then we learned about the stripping of logistics, air support, Bagram. And I was like, okay, well. He stripped air support. He basically whacked him in the leg with a crowbar and then said, look, they won't even fight. All right, let's read a little bit more. That's my president.
Starting point is 01:35:15 We got Gerald Armstrong says Biden committed treason by sending the Taliban a list of American citizens in Afghanistan. Wow, that's an interesting point. Hard to argue with that one. Yeah, providing material support to an enemy. Oh, that's right. I mean, at the very least, we need hearings on this. We need an investigation. Who is in control? Who's signing off on all this?
Starting point is 01:35:37 Yeah, when are they an enemy and when are they an ally? When's the line drawn? Because we never declared war on them. And the other thing, too, is you have the military saying one thing and the intelligence community saying another. So somebody is lying. Or if the communication is that bad, then we still need an investigation to figure out how do we get these two groups to actually talk. All right. The One Free Man says, the past few days have shown us that it is no longer about America and its enemies.
Starting point is 01:36:01 It's about the establishment and its enemies. They have forsaken American hostages in Afghanistan in order to pursue their political enemies and secure their power. Wow. Brutal. The Curly Efro says military politics is Leviathan. May see Vax's political move by the high-ups to get promoted, earn leadership positions by making troops get vaccinated. A corpsman fell, helping his Marines and treating the sick and injured in Afghanistan. Til Valhalla.
Starting point is 01:36:35 Kinjin says, all of us keyboard warriors need to contact our rep and senators demanding this change. Get involved in your local, state, and federal elections. Stop being the silent majority and get involved absolutely no and we have we have some more treason comments trash panda says how is this not high treason forget impeachment bring charges of high treason against biden the entire his entire administration including harris my guess is because we never declared war on the taliban so it's like it's ambiguous if they're even considered enemies at this point. We have a ceasefire with them, and we're working with them to get our troops out is the idea. I tell you what, one of the strangest things is today the, I can't remember his name, Army General and Biden, both of them today,
Starting point is 01:37:18 we're talking how we've been in regular communication with the Taliban and cooperating with them to help deal with ISIS and all that. And we sometimes share information with them, but also we can't trust them. I was like, whoa, how long have you been sharing information with the Taliban and why? That's insane. Even if it's for the effort of trying to root out ISIS, ISIS-K, whatever, why would you ever – what is this enemy of my enemy nonsense? Is that what this is?
Starting point is 01:37:43 I think so. I know because it will change from day to day who the enemy is. We've been doing this for decades. We arm one group to fight another, and then both of them end up coming after us. Same people, man. All right. Dr. Doctor says the May 1st deadline might have something to do with being in the middle of Ramadan. Throughout the years, there has been a couple of ceasefires coordinated with the Taliban because of Ramadan.
Starting point is 01:38:06 Interesting. Is that when Ramadan is? I have no idea. Because then there's no... Does the Taliban strictly observe combat during Ramadan? I have no idea. I would be surprised if they did. I mean, I wouldn't.
Starting point is 01:38:20 That's what people expected. Yeah, Monday the 12th of April is when it started this year. Oh, yeah. And it goes for 10 days. So it was just after Ramadan they were going to... All right, let's see. I know it ends May 12th.
Starting point is 01:38:35 So yeah, it was during Ramadan they were going to... James Rogers says, comparing Kabul to Saigon is giving into willful ignorance. Saigon fell two years after we pulled out stop feeding stupid we lost the peace not war interesting no i've been saying that for weeks
Starting point is 01:38:52 people are like this is not our saigon like you're right this is far far worse than saigon way worse i mean not to downplay it but in comparison saigon got off easy compared to what afghanistan's saying now that's, not to minimize what happened in Saigon. Here's an important one. KF says, Pelosi for president. Oh, God. Jeez, I feel like I'm in the boxing ring with whoever just said that to me.
Starting point is 01:39:16 It's like, do I not have any options here? I mean, it's like, you can have a bag of broken glass or some starving wolverines. Which one do you want to be locked in a room with? A constitutional convention. you can have a bag of broken glass or some starving Wolverines. Which one do you want to be locked in a room with? We could do a constitutional convention. It's just a matter of whipping.
Starting point is 01:39:29 You need like two more states. You sound like Rand Paul now. 51% of the country involved. Sorry, Ron Paul. Constitution. Man, I haven't heard about that in a long time. All right. One Two says, Tim, Glenn raised $20 million in 48 hours.
Starting point is 01:39:39 We all donated. This is an absolutely amazing audience. God bless. Yes, absolutely. Everybody working. That's fantastic. Dude, shout out to Glenn Beck, man. He spoke truth to power when he was at Fox News.
Starting point is 01:39:49 And I highly recommend go check out his last episode with Fox because they fired him for calling out the Federal Reserve and all the people, the bureaucrats that were trading money between the revolving doors. It's incredible. They fired him for it. The next day he got his release and he was no longer Fox. And he started the blaze. He knew he was on his way out. I don't know. I don't know it. The next day he got his release and he was no longer Fox. And he started The Blaze. He knew he was on his way out.
Starting point is 01:40:06 I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he did. He was like, what? He got red-pilled and told everyone and they were like, no. He'd been on his way out for a while. He'd been wanting to launch his own sort of empire. And then it got to a point where I think he just kind of Jerry Maguire-ed it.
Starting point is 01:40:18 Yeah, G. Edward Griffin on the show and then just blew it open. It was awesome. Full disclosure, I used to work for him. So there's that. I see so much respect for that dude. He was the. Full disclosure, I used to work for him. So there's that. I see so much respect for that dude. He was the business editor at The Blaze for a while. He's a true boy. He genuinely believes in his faith, and he acts out of it.
Starting point is 01:40:35 Sue Prove says the State Department is stonewalling Beck. They won't give him access to runways. Also, he was warned they had a meeting about him and are looking to destroy him. I hadn't heard that but i would not be surprised because i was as we were saying before the show there was a i cannot remember her name i'm drawing a blank she works for the new york times she organized two private uh jets to land and evacuate as many as they could and they got sent back i think they were only able to take like a total of four people they could fit hundreds on both of those plane or
Starting point is 01:41:01 jets and they got turned away and is, she's just beside herself. Heartbroken. Cause you, she also raised money to do this private and no entrepreneurs, private enterprise, try to help out and do his part. And a bunch of paper pushers turned him back. That's good.
Starting point is 01:41:15 That'll be remembered. Yeah. We have, we have, we have a good question here. Wicked lists says, Tim, please help me understand why people did not leave months ago when they all
Starting point is 01:41:22 knew about the withdrawal. Because unlike the United States Intelligence Service, they had no idea that the Taliban was poised to retake the entire country. Probably. That's my guess. Interesting. I think if there was a general idea that maybe you should get out, you got a family, you got a business, maybe it's a recommendation versus, oh, my God, the Taliban now owns the entire country. They've just conquered every major city. And now here we go.
Starting point is 01:41:44 And the United States is just Irish combined. We got this from Arthur Madrigal. He says, FDA approved the vaccine, but it is not available. Is this true? Only the emergency use vaccine available. People have been sending me this. Bannon said it. It's not true.
Starting point is 01:41:59 They said there's a letter from the FDA that actually goes into detail about the community vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine. People are trying to claim that they're two distinct vaccines. The FDA's website literally says, we are approving the vaccine that was formerly known as the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and will now be marketed as community. And the FDA letter says community and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are interchangeable and the same thing in the same formulation. And for some reason, people are coming out and claiming it's not true. I don't know why. It's just it's wrong. People are emailing me and I'm like, did you guys even read the letter you sent me?
Starting point is 01:42:33 It literally says it's the exact same formulation but under a different name. It's the same thing. I'm just whatever. All right. Stephen Granger says, based on the information being shown biden should be forced to resign and be court-martialed i can also i don't know if you can you court-martial the president do you i can also see an argument for having him uh charged with treason we'll just put it that way he's the commander of the u.s armed forces but i don't think you can you know i don't
Starting point is 01:43:00 know that's a good question i have no idea yeah now. I will have to look that up. I think he is looking it up right now. Can you court- Now you're on a watch list. Cannot be court-martialed, no. Yeah. According to Quora.com. Yeah. I think-
Starting point is 01:43:13 Yeah, I know. Even though you're the commander of the forces, I think- He's considered a civilian. That's why. He's still civilian. A civilian is commanding the military. What is wrong? No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:43:20 That's right. That's great. No, civilian oversight of our U.S. Armed Forces. That's by design. I'm all for that. Absolutely. Which is part of the reason I was so pissed off about general milley wising off during the congressional hearing about white rage he answers to congress and he was way
Starting point is 01:43:32 out of line when he was like let me i'm sick of your stupid questions i want to understand it's like oh you you sit down you answer to them and that's very intentional i the british seem to have a civilian leader and a military leader that co-run the country together. I think they have the prime minister and then something else. And that's why we rebelled. And what's his name? Winston Churchill was the military head of the time, but he wasn't the prime. They have a house of lords.
Starting point is 01:43:59 It's pretty messed up, but they have somebody running the domestic area and then someone that knows what they're doing running the military stuff. We've got Biden running the military. We're ideally supposed to have the generals who know what they're doing, but they are all answerable to Congress and the president. They answer to the civilians. And that's strictly by design, basically almost based on how it was done in Rome for a while before the generals took control. But I like that setup. I want that setup. I want that setup. I don't want the military kind of acting on its own,
Starting point is 01:44:27 especially if you have people like Milley who is now off on his own doing critical race theories or whatever. No, no, no. You answer to Congress, and you keep your mouth shut unless asked a question. Here's a good one. Not you personally. Well, hey. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:44:39 I'm not getting rid of you. John Maroffa says, Dr. Steve Turley stopped using the term rhinos and now uses diablos, Democrats in all but label. That's good. It's not bad. It just makes me think of the video game, though. Diablo.
Starting point is 01:44:55 All right. What is this, the Blank Podcast? The Null Space Podcast with Ian Slater says, Glenn Beck is now the GOAT. It's great stuff. Well, hopefully it's working out. I don't know. People are saying he's getting blocked or whatever.
Starting point is 01:45:10 I wouldn't be surprised. I hope he's not, but this has already happened once, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened again. The Wolf says, Millie and military are too busy dumping millions in a campaign to make memes and anything not in the sw blm agenda agenda extremist in the military crazy joe lynn turk says the late johnny carson did an entire skit about the loser liar joe biden carson straight up called him an idiot and he was absolutely correct
Starting point is 01:45:42 you know yeah if you needed a reminder how long this guy's been in the game. Right. But, you know, I voted for his character. You've been warned, man. Come on, man. Nipplesweat says, Tim Kennedy brought 400 people onto the airfield. The base commander kicked them out and told Tim,
Starting point is 01:45:58 this isn't the Tim Kennedy show. What? What? So you're not allowed to rescue people? They'll just throw you out i hadn't heard that i'll have to look interesting crazy all right let's see jeffrey paris says beckett i love your work based on what you know do you think the next conservative president should fire everyone on mahogany row at the pentagon also ian is your hair starfleet regulation length
Starting point is 01:46:25 uh i think if there's anything that was proven by the trump administration i hate the term deep state because people automatically start conjuring up conspiracy theories all that but it is absolutely true that there is a large contingent of deeply embedded career bureaucrats who have been there for years, who have a very specific idea of how they want things done, and they will work, and they admit it. They admitted this during the Trump administration. They will work to thwart the president's agenda if they don't like it. Simple as that. That's actually what I think when I think deep state. I don't think that, you know, it's sort of like meeting of the Bilderbergs
Starting point is 01:47:01 are going to get together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There are career bureaucrats who are like, I don't like this, so we're going to leak to the press. We're going to obscure this or that. General straight-up lied to President Trump when he ordered twice. He ordered saying we're withdrawing from Syria. They lied to him about the numbers to just simply get around
Starting point is 01:47:19 not having to withdraw everyone from Syria. That's deep state stuff. And they lied to the American people. They lied to the American people. And then they come come out a minute and who was that the guy anonymous for new york times uh miles taylor straight up admitted i work in the white house and i am actively thwarting the president's agenda that happens this has actually happened with several administrations so to the question i think if anything was learned from the last president yes someone's gonna have to start cleaning house i don't know how that goes about, what that looks like. It's very hard to remove people once they're embedded.
Starting point is 01:47:48 It was what Trump was famous for. Firing people? Firing people. He was terrible at firing people when he was the president, though. I know. His tagline is, you're fired, and he couldn't fire anyone around him. It was amazing. Yep.
Starting point is 01:47:59 In fact, some of the people he promoted were terrible. Yeah. Elizabeth Carmella Comedian says says when i saw glenn stream late last night from the middle east i myself donated to the nazarene fund that man is a true patriot i have so much respect and admiration for him and what he's doing if you can donate please do yeah man i remember i got invited to go on glenn's show they flew me out to texas and sat down and talked to him for quite a bit because we did like a couple different shows in one sitting
Starting point is 01:48:27 because he's got like the radio show, the podcast, whatever. And I thought it was absolutely fantastic. He's calm, rational, reasonable. We had arguments. We had disagreements and it ended with a handshake and he was like, you know,
Starting point is 01:48:38 you did great work. And I was like, yeah, it was absolutely fantastic. Big fan of Glenn. He's a great guy. He's a hell of a showman. Oh, yeah, definitely. And they have this massive movie studio.
Starting point is 01:48:49 Yeah. It's crazy. He considers himself – he doesn't consider himself. He has very intentionally modeled himself after Orson Welles. He wants to be a sort of auteur, renaissance man bringing back various arts and stuff. That's awesome. He loves Orson Welles, like adores Orson Welles. And he intentionally, he named it Mercury
Starting point is 01:49:08 Radio Arts after Orson Welles' own production studio, which was Mercury. Yeah. He just loves the man. And he loves Walt Disney. Alright. Sonny James says the only reason America won the revolution was because the British public wasn't interested in funding
Starting point is 01:49:24 it. Despite what Hollywood narratives tell the British public wasn't interested in funding it. Despite what Hollywood narratives tell us, it wasn't because we fought the greatest revolution ever. Scares me is this admin focused on us. We won the revolution for a lot of reasons. Yeah, there were several factors. But I think the French was probably one of the biggest. Because what actually happened is that the conflict in the colonies was essentially more war for the British when they were already at war in Europe.
Starting point is 01:49:49 They couldn't handle it. Oh, God. It was also King George had lost his frigging mind and was a horrible commander-in-chief at the time. Really? Yeah, he was going insane at the time. That was actually a huge issue. That was engulfing a lot of British politics at the time
Starting point is 01:50:01 and was very distracting to the overall war effort. The British had no stomach for a war in the Americas. Oh, turnabout is fair play. Let them go. Turnabout is fair play. Oh, no. We're getting slapped in the face by karma. I'm kidding.
Starting point is 01:50:15 I'm mostly kidding. I can't speak to Biden's mental health. I'm not a doctor. He's not my patient. But history rhymes. And if there was a revolution today in the United States and we had Biden as the commander trying to preserve the union, preserve the union, your main job. Oh, God. Pardon those people.
Starting point is 01:50:32 Can you imagine an American Civil War with Biden? It would be terrible. May you live in interesting times. At least Abe Lincoln. That's a curse. Was obsessed with preserving the union. You just cursed me. All right.
Starting point is 01:50:47 Jaspas says, Tim, please look into the ezekiel 38 prophecy we may be seeing it take shape in real time the stage is being set the players are moving into place we are really living in unprecedented unprecedented times interesting interesting unprecedented for america i wouldn't say it's unprecedented in world history i mean far worse has happened to far greater, far larger civilizations. True. Generally, though, it's in a longer span of time. It seems like we have very quickly learned how to... Yeah, airplanes changes a lot because you literally can get microchips.
Starting point is 01:51:18 That's the game changer. Plastic, a lot of it. Invest in plastics. LMV says, Tim, I live in New Zealand. Our prime minister did a press conference on the attack in Kabul and was super cryptic saying that New Zealand will be part of an attack or invasion of Afghanistan. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:51:34 Okay, so maybe it was intentional. With what troops? I thought they were all locked up in New Zealand. New Zealand has troops? They do. They have like seven? No, no, they're great. They work closely with us in a lot of the coalition efforts commandos i love new zealanders right yeah about uh biden said we
Starting point is 01:51:50 will you know we will hunt you down and to me i was just like oh is that him saying like we're going to be sending in troops to reinvade afghanistan now we've already put in more than double the troops into afghanistan now than we had earlier this year and then they're hoping everyone will forget about it. The news will start talking about other things, and then they'll be quietly deploying more and more soldiers to Afghanistan. Amazing, isn't it? I mean, at some point, this is going to sap the will from the actual armed forces.
Starting point is 01:52:16 Like, what do you do? You're going to actually have to talk about morale in the U.S. military. I can't imagine it's doing well. I can imagine that this is going to have a long-term hit on it and that'll take some years to recover i'm not saying it's all going to fall apart and people are going to abandon their posts or whatever but i we need to make sure we look at this before yeah i don't know it's coming up on 800 000 military servicemen weren't vaccinated i think it's 1.4 million total 800 000 of them have had yet to be vaccinated as of yesterday or the day before.
Starting point is 01:52:45 They're going to force it by, I don't know what the date is that they said, the 31st, four days from now, five days from now. If they don't want to do it, talk about morale. Rory Shively with eight clown face emojis. That's about where I'm at, Rory.
Starting point is 01:53:01 He's a funny guy. Brian Knoll says, you said Bagram Air Base seemed intentional. I've been thinking the same thing. Every common sense thing to do done backwards. Biden wrote the first Patriot Act. Maybe arming terrorists. Oh, I don't know. I mean, to the conversation we were having about the riot and holding the rioters and all that.
Starting point is 01:53:22 I mean, we've been saying, saying no what was it for the war on terror you know what did we get out of it well we got one thing we got an explosion of their surveillance state on us so that's great now the government as we know not just the american government governments in general do like pretenses to get more control what does afghanistan do does that give people more control does it give them less that's the always the media is going to go full gung-ho with like biden is a true president once he starts sending in the troops and once all these other countries start bolstering troops he's going to rescue them from trump's botched escape plan i think a lot of
Starting point is 01:53:56 people are underestimating how sapped a lot of americans feel after this of 20 years i don't think we talk about we're going to put more troops and they do it quietly like you were saying that's one thing but a big grand we got to do this America. I don't there's not going to be support. People don't want it. I don't want it. No, but the media will say they do and the polls will come out and the polls will ask very like funny questions like do you think it would be bad if babies are killed in Afghanistan? And I say yes, I do like they support the war with the sampling size of like 130 people right? 98% of Americans all from DC on like And I say, yes, I do. They support the war. Yeah, with a sampling size of like 130 people. Right.
Starting point is 01:54:26 98% of Americans. All from D.C. on K Street. The average income, you look it up, it's like $486,000 a year. Who are these people they're polling? We surveyed 130 defense contractors. The average job is Halliburton and Boeing. Yeah, man. There's so much money. Do you want to deploy more Americans to go fight and nation build?
Starting point is 01:54:46 I don't think so. 100% yes. We polled one guy. It's the CEO of Lockheed. No, but it's like if there's no will for it and Americans are actually opposed to it, that comes back to the voting booth. You saw that in Syria, man. Yeah, but hold on.
Starting point is 01:54:58 It comes back to the voting booth. People shut that down. What is Biden? You think Biden's going to get a second term? I don't think he's going to last his first term. So Biden can come in and be like, oh, I will deploy 100,000 troops. You know, they didn't get the vaccine to go to Afghanistan. And then Americans are going to be like, get them out, get them out.
Starting point is 01:55:17 No one will have the will to do it. Republicans will sit on their hands. Come 2024, they'll vote for someone else and go, yay. And then we'll have three years of troops in the Middle East. But you're forgetting 2022, which Democrats are terrified of. I don't know if they want to jeopardize it. Right, I'm saying the Republican Party is not going to do anything. I'm just saying if there's one thing both parties love, it's holding power and gaining more power.
Starting point is 01:55:34 And if they know they're going to get wiped out on a landslide in 2022, I think they won't go with it. But what are the Republicans going to do? Well, that's always the oddball. They're going to get in and they're all going to get in and they're going to have the House. And then Kevin McCarthy is going to be like, slow down there, Democrats. And then Mitch McConnell is going to be like, slow down there, Democrats. And that's all they're going to do. I disagree.
Starting point is 01:55:56 McCarthy, yes. I'm generally supportive of McConnell. I have been impressed with him. He's a master parliamentarian and he has made so many gains in the judiciary. I think people always sell him a little short. See, the problem with conservatives is that they're – imagine you're playing a game of football, and you tell your team to run to the end zone and defend it from there. And then the other team is like, okay, and they casually walk to the red zone. It's like, why would you let them do that?
Starting point is 01:56:28 That's Republicans. They don't fight on the cultural issues that shape our country. They think if we just get a judge, we're fine. Okay, then congratulations, because in 10 years, all the judges are going to be ultra-woke, and you're going to be like, well, this one's only a little woke, because you're not actually doing anything to defend your values or fight back back i mean that's i don't know if i would blame mcconnell for that explicitly i mean you can only blame him so much if the people he gets through aren't very good he still
Starting point is 01:56:53 got him through and the best of the crop but the thing i will say that you're absolutely right on is that social issues have long been put in the back burner and stuff like the republican party has basically tolerated pro-lifers for the last since roe v wade as it's just a necessary part of the coalition they don't care what they think or what they believe yep they haven't tried anything to like over i remember democrats are coming out demanding universal health care and a green new deal what are republicans demanding tax cuts same thing i mean look at what the infrastructure bill. That's not even going to get held up. Jeez, $6 trillion? Four, I believe.
Starting point is 01:57:30 It was two separate bills, $1.2 and $3.5, so upwards of $5 trillion. Because we have that money. What was the $6 trillion number that got knocked around yesterday? I mean, maybe it got revised upwards. Did they add any riders to it? I don't know. They just put anything.
Starting point is 01:57:45 Make it 10. This is interesting right here. Cryptic says the Supreme Court just overruled the eviction ban. I had seen that. Actually, Kavanaugh wrote the opinion on it. I haven't had a chance to read it, though. Did he write, F you, Biden? I already said this.
Starting point is 01:57:58 Why am I saying it twice? Because Biden doesn't remember the first time. And so if the Supreme Court can say this is illegal and Biden says, I'll do it again, what's to stop him from just doing it again? And again and again. You know, what enforcement mechanisms are there? Supreme Court doesn't have any. They just take him back to the court. I mean, the president already said once.
Starting point is 01:58:16 He's like, that'll get sorted out in the court in a couple months. But until then, people will be safe. I'm like, so legislation by tingling things up in the judiciary like that's not a way to legislate i think what it really means that if you are a landlord in any capacity you can now just disregard the illegal decrees from the president because they have no merit in the country and if you have to go to court you'd win because you're going to be like here's the supreme court your honor is going to go going to court is how long is that going to take yep i mean a lot of people don't have that time i think it basically just means you can ignore biden's
Starting point is 01:58:48 fake eviction illegal eviction man yeah but what do you tell the squatters you break you kick them out what do you mean i mean what happens is no the president's on my side he says i can stay you call the police what but what law are the police enforcing you're evicting them i know but if the president has already put a moratorium on that supreme court has already said it's not doesn't exist but then the president does it again i mean that's why i'm asking like what's the enforcement well it's it's an issue of whether or not the police are are anarcho-tyrannists and i'd imagine they are in which case the cops are going to go to you and go sorry i can't help you but then rest assured if you try to do anything to defend your property they'll arrest you on the spot probably yep abolish the police that's right
Starting point is 01:59:29 all right let's see jessica cora says we left hundreds of portable biometric scanners with the fingerprint and eye scans of over 50 000 afghanistan military officials whoa that's true you've heard that right yeah we were documenting and recording everything about the Afghans we worked with, and the Taliban got all that information. Fingerprints, eye scans, everything. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people are mentioning that SCOTUS has lifted the eviction moratorium, but like we were saying, I don't know if it matters because Biden illegally did it in the first place. Why does the Supreme Court need to say it twice?
Starting point is 02:00:03 Right. That's the thing that I didn't get. The Supreme Court really didn't need to say it the? Right. That's the thing that I didn't get. The Supreme Court really didn't even say it the first time. Now they've said it twice. But this is where I get into this weird area. I was like, wait a minute. If the Supreme Court, there's usually this assumption that the Supreme Court ruled and that's that. Now they've done it twice.
Starting point is 02:00:15 To your point, what happens if Biden comes back another time and says, well, no. They tweak it a little bit. That's what Cuomo was doing. He'll tweak it a little bit. He'll say, oh, now we're gonna do uh an eviction suspension so you can file eviction but it can't be enforced for six months it's so funny how fast they turn from no rule no law of the land to more like a guideline on the land more like guidelines all right let's see
Starting point is 02:00:43 christopher bell says will you have someone that's on the other side of your argument like dan crenshaw we'd love to have dan crenshaw but you know the big challenges with getting politicians on the show every every time we hit up one of these politicians they're like oh we're fans we'd love to come on the show or oh definitely it'd be great send an email to this person and we'll set it up and then we do and then the person doesn't respond back or responds back with like yeah we'll figure out the dates and then they never respond back what do they mean on the other side like someone who's pro-stay in afghanistan yes oh is he necessarily pro-stay in afghanistan i think he is i thought he just wanted a small residual force
Starting point is 02:01:20 security right small residual force i think like sy Syria. But I actually have said that myself. Like, I think we should have never gone into Afghanistan. But if we have, because we've had people on the show who have said this, we need a small, we need commanders, intelligence, logistics, but a very small group with drone support, and we're done. And I'm like, I'll take that. If it prevents this, if it means we're getting all of our troops out, we're not going to waste time on this, but we'll have to keep a little bit.
Starting point is 02:01:44 I'll draw it down substantially. I like the sound of that. It's so crazy to remember or to think in terms of everything that's happening now that at the height of the Iraq War and even to the lead up to Obama withdrawing from Iraq, Afghanistan was always the good war, the justified war. And now here we are. Man, I don't know. But I will tell you this. We're going to have a members-only podcast episode coming up at around 11 or so p.m.
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Starting point is 02:02:43 I mean, hi, mom. Don't make it weird. Hey, follow me on Twitter at Beckett Adams. There you go. There we go. Some nice self-promotion right there. Good to see you, man. All right.
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