Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #364 - Biden Exposed In Leaked Phone Call Proving They Knew Of Taliban Takeover w/Jack Murphy

Episode Date: September 2, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join friend and fellow YouTuber/podcaster Jack Murphy to discuss what Biden knew, and what he pressured the Afghan president to say and do, Mark Milley's reassurance that the US can work with the Taliban, and how the US intends to pay them, the reasons the war in Afghanistan failed and what it would have taken to make it work, the Project Veritas exposition that got a communist teacher fired, with good reason, and a thorough conversation of what a 'right' is, and whether they are or can be guaranteed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I just opened it. There we go. Sometimes OBS freezes on us, but we're good. How's it going, everybody? So, you know, we're all contemplating, you know, the catastrophe in Afghanistan, the loss of American lives, the Americans that are trapped there. And, you know, Biden said, like, nobody saw this coming. We didn't think it was going to happen. And then a phone call gets leaked where he knew it was happening

and didn't provide air support after the president of Afghanistan asked him to, where he had previously, just a few weeks earlier, quietly pulled American troops out of Bagram Air Force Base in the dead of Afghanistan asked him to, where he had previously, just a few weeks earlier, quietly pulled American troops out of Bagram Air Force Base in the dead of night, shutting off the electricity and not telling anybody, let alone the Afghan allies. So when you see this and you know that we, I mean, it should have been obvious that they were asking for help.

But the president of Afghanistan, before Kabul fell to the Taliban, said we need air support. And Biden was like, just tell everybody it's all fine. And he knew it was collapsing. And they knew weeks in advance the Taliban was rapidly approaching. They knew weeks in advance that everyone in the world saw this happening. And he just wanted to change the perception.

Says to me that they didn't care or this was the plan the whole time. So we'll talk about that. I did talk about it earlier on one of my segments, but we got the crew here. We'll talk about that. We got a bunch of other stories. We've got, you know, curfew just been enacted in New Orleans.

The hurricane hit. It's pretty bad. And Joe Rogan, he got COVID. But I don't think it's that big of a deal. You know, we'll talk about all that stuff. You know, he did a video on Instagram. He prepares to be fine. And the media, of course, is going nuts

talking about horse dewormer. We'll talk about that. We are being rejoined, finally, at last. I'm back. By Jack Murphy. Hey, good to be here. Tim, Lydia, Ian, it's been too long. Happy to be here. I'm Jack Murphy, ready to get started on our every other Wednesday cycle, 9-1-9, 15-9, 29, so forth and so on. Thank you. You were gone for a while, Jack. I was, man. We had summer tour. We had travel. We had all kinds of stuff going on.

But we're back to work. You know, I heard. That had nothing to do with you. I got DMs. I got DMs. Ian looks lonely. He's sad. He needs Uncle Jack.

Life is hard. Yeah. And I'm back. Thanks for having me, guys. Happy to be here. We were all concerned because he was sleeping one day and didn't get out. And I went to his door and knocked. He didn't answer.

And then I put my ear up to the door and I'm saying, Jack. He's going to be repeating it over and over again. It's like a mantra because I knew you'd come back. He was following my Twitter feed, at Jack Murphy Live. He was also watching my videos at Jack Murphy Live on YouTube because it's a really good video. I have nine sock puppet accounts. I comment a lot on YouTube. You do, actually.

I can tell each time. Thank you, Graphene. How was the Grand Canyon, Matt? The Grand Canyon was big. It was beautiful. It was amazing. It was stunning. Did it feel like a vacuum, like it was sucking you into it when you got near it?

It really did. It really did. I didn't want to leave. I went to Grand Canyon. Bryce and Zion did not want to leave each place. I felt sad. I felt mourning leaving each place because they're so profound in their just brilliance and enormity.

It really puts your life in perspective. That's why we're here. That's why we're here, to put your life in perspective, our lives in perspective. Let's do it. Ian Crossland. Hey, Ian Crossland in the house, Jack Murphy live. Yes. Happy to be here.

I'm loving it. I'm so glad Jack is back. It's going to be a great Wednesday, as it always is with Jack. Looking forward to it. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com and become a member. And you'll get access to exclusive members-only segments from the show as well as an ad-free experience.

We just hired another journalist. So we're just hiring more and more journalists. And I just got to tell you, this is because we want to make good journalism. The news industry is not a particularly

lucrative industry. The opinion industry, however, is a booming. And thanks to all the members who like this show in the member segments we are able to hire more journalists and that's it's kind of how it works you know dude you definitely hired a bunch of people because i haven't been here in about six weeks i walked in the house people are like accosting me not accosting me gently approaching me with video cameras multiple angles there's like paparazzi

there's guys at workstations there's screens up on the walls people are grinding editing producing it's a beehive of activity in here tim we're taking over you really are man you can't all thanks to you as members at timcast.com uh don't forget to like this video subscribe to the channel share the show is the most powerful thing you can do if you really like it uh let's read this news you You may have heard. Wow. Amazing. From Timcast.com, Biden urged Afghan presidents to change the perception of Taliban's imminent victory, Reuters reports. New details are emerging from the final phone call between U.S. President Biden and the Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, with reports claiming Biden urged the foreign leader to change

perceptions that the Taliban was winning the war. The call took place on July 23rd. On August 15th, Ghani fled the presidential palace and the Taliban entered Kabul. Since then, tens of thousands of desperate Afghans have fled and 13 U.S. troops have lost their lives. Scores of Afghan civilians. Here's a quote from Biden. I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban. And there is a need, whether it's true or not, there is a need to project a different picture. We will continue to provide close air support if we know what the plan is, Biden told Ghani.

You clearly have the best military. You have 300,000 well-armed forces versus 70,000 to 80,000, and they're clearly capable of fighting well. So it sounds like a lot of lies coming out of the White House in these past few weeks. We didn't know what was going to happen. They knew what was happening then. On July 1st, they abandoned Bagram Air Force Base. That's been like the centerpiece of this big story and the scandal as to what went down because they didn't just hand off. Here's what should have happened, in my opinion. And you know, maybe I'm wrong

because I'm not a military guy. The Biden administration could have said, all right, it's currently May. By July 1st, we will leave, which gives us a month to get in some Afghan security forces, Afghan National Army to start replacing the people who run the air force base so that you can properly take it over, have the logistics and then start dealing with the Taliban should they come in after we leave. Instead, in the middle of the night on July 1st, they turned the lights off, cut the power and fled without telling anybody. And civilian looters busted in. And then when the Afghan army found out, they went in and tried and secured it and arrested people. But you got to imagine by July 23rd,

about three weeks before the fall of Kabul, when the president of Afghanistan is like, yo, Biden, we need some air support. They already abandoned the air force base without telling them. And Biden is like, yo, Biden, we need some air support. They already abandoned the Air Force Base without telling them. And Biden's like, hey, we'll provide you with air support. Just keep telling everybody you're winning. So to me, kind of sounds like the plan, man. It's indeed the plan.

But you've got to wonder, that's the plan from Biden's perspective. You've got to wonder where the lies start, right? Does the lie start all the way down with, yeah, we just trained these four new recruits to the Afghan security forces and they're great. They're doing a great job. And those lies just multiply and add up and build up and add up and build up to where Joe Biden is like, hey, we really have 300,000 troops there. They're really going to be helpful for you. You're fine. 300,000 versus 80,000. It's fine. I mean, that's the intel that he's getting. Look, I am not a Joe Biden fan. I'm not defending Joe Biden.

The guy needs to be put into a nice, comfortable rocking chair with a blanket over his lap, a nice book in his lap if he can read, and a cup of tea and the whole thing. Somebody pat him on the head every once in a while, tuck him in, wipe his nose. Sponge baths. Well, I'm not volunteering or sticking that on anybody. But it's compounding lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie. And really, the president is a guy that's up there playing risk. He's got the board. He's got the pieces.

He can only depend on the information that he's been giving. And from my perspective, it seems like the entire military industrial complex is just filled with liars, scoundrels, and thieves who are not doing their job. But they want war. Right. That's what I'm saying. So are you saying that Biden wanted to withdraw and so it's the military industrial complex that screwed it up and gave him bad info? I think that when you've got Biden and his team and the woke-ified apparatus that's now taking over everything, their focus is always on the wrong thing. They're always focused and they're putting their attention on the wrong thing.

So whenever they take action, it's the wrong action because their focus is on wokeness. It's on making sure that the, what are my words? I can't say over here, making sure that the army is diverse enough, making sure that they're dealing with white rage and these things. And they're not making sure that the facts and the information that they're getting are accurate and so they're just taking these things at face value basically you can't take anything at face value anymore nothing but is it lies or is it collapse right so i'll put it rot imagine the military is a bunch of you know you ever see that meme where it's like two people standing on a cliff and it's like a

beautiful city and they're hugging and then holding the cliff up is a bunch of soldiers that are like bleeding and one guy's pointing a gun and they're holding it up. It's making a point about how this comfort and this luxury is based on it. So imagine that support structure of all of these dudes holding up society. Not that I'm a fan of the Afghan warbinding

stretch of the imagination, but you start corrupting and rotting those support beams and they start just start corrupting and rotting those support beams and they start just writhing and falling and collapsing. And then eventually the structure loses support. The whole thing falls down. So is it really lies or is it... Here's the way I see it.

And I'll do a side note here. We got a video removed. We got a strike on TikTok because... On TikTok? On TikTok. Because I said in a video, it's clear Biden is in charge. That there are no adults in the room and that when Biden's talking in these meetings and says stuff, people just go along with whatever he says and don't challenge him.

He's got sycophants and bureaucrats who don't want to stick their neck out, and Biden's clearly not with it. And so we've got to strike for that. But I stand by that. I think what's happening is you've got Kamala, Millie, other people, right? The National Security Advisor. You've got Jen Psaki. And they're like, I'm not saying anything. It's like Joe Biden walks in. He sits down.

And we heard him say, trinan on a shot, but a pressure on TV. What do you think he's saying in private? When he's sitting there and they're all sitting around him and he's like, Kabul, come on. Do it. And they're like, whatever you say, Joe. And they just walk out shrugging we know one of the things he says in private which is uh hey leader of afghanistan lie to the world yeah i mean it was when he said whether it's true or not yeah whether it's true or not just lie

lie if you have to but do you wish people do you wish anything would have gone differently in afghanistan yeah i wish the president wouldn't have fled. You know, this whole, like, woke crap, it's like they didn't want to hurt the Taliban's feelings. We had an update by September 1st or August 31st. What you do as a military, if you're not prepared to leave a war that you're winning, you extend the deadline. Were we winning? Yeah, we were dominating that country. We controlled the country. We had total air support had we had logistics we had total opportunity to

withdraw safely everything over time and they just chose to surrender biden surrendered when we were winning the war he didn't just issue in a white piece and walk away he surrendered our equipment i actually agree i i agree with, I think so. I agree. Yes. In that sense, I would say, when I say I don't know if we were winning, it's like it's 20 years in attrition and soldiers are dying every year and there were some serious attacks the past few years.

And I'm like, I don't know if it's winning if we're in a country we don't need to be in to colonize our nation build from people who don't want us to be there. I don't know what we're trying to win other than invading this country. But from what you're saying in that in that sense, yes, we not only did we have control of the country, but we did have the Afghan National Army. And I think this story is the perfect example of how it all broke. It's the it's amazing. It's the breaking point. It's almost like there really was a system in place. Not a good one. I still believe there would have been chaos and conflict, but it's like Joe Biden. The administration made sure to find the one support beam they could strip out to make sure it all went smack down and collapse on the

way out. They pulled logistics and air support. They abandoned the Air Force Base around Kabul or Bagram near Kabul. They couldn't do evacuations. It really felt like of all of the things they could have done, they did quite possibly the worst thing. I guess the worst thing would be to bomb your own, you know, like the civilians. Okay, so in the sense of strategy for the withdrawal, this was the worst thing they could have done. Yes, a premature surrender. In getting the withdrawal executed, sure,

there was a lot of tactical and operational errors for sure. But like we were losing that war the minute we started. Well, it's not a war with a valuable goal, I don't think. tactical and operational errors for sure but like we were losing that war the minute we started well it's not a war with a with a valuable goal i don't think i think it was a pointless endeavor but we were dominating in force we we were winning the force but were we really though because the whole point i guess well not the whole point but one of the points of being there was to build up this army that was going to be able to defend afghanistan from all these other bad guys. And in the very first possible moment where they were there to do the job that they were trained for, they didn't just do the job poorly.

They just said, just kidding. We're not even doing it. So I agree and disagree. I think they certainly did a poor job. But there's a video of Afghan commandos fighting back, defending, you know, territory from the Taliban. And they run out of ammo. And the Taliban comes in. So they drop their guns.

The Taliban executes them. There's video of this happening. The Taliban wants to post their victories. You have Joe Biden abandoning Bagram in the dead of night without telling them. So it's like if you've're a country that's been built up by 20 years of occupation. America comes in. They build up this whole apparatus in Afghanistan.

And they say, it's our air base. Here's what we're going to do. Here's the logistic. Here's the contractors. And you're like, okay, I guess. And there's no handoff of power. And then all of a sudden, one day, the Taliban is storming in

because you're pulling out. And you're like, all right, let's go. Where's our air force? Nobody's there there what do you mean nobody's there right they they did fight and not every single one but we had afghan national army defending the kabul airport and i think you know initially this was my mistake too when biden came out and said you have afghan you know security forces unwilling or he said why should we send the next generation of Americans to fight a war the Afghans are not willing to fight themselves? And I was like, it's a good point. And then I started reading the reports.

I started reading the experts, reading the timeline of events, and I was like, yo, that's brutal. Some of these guys did fight really, really hard, but Biden pulled support on July 1st. Sure, sure. So I'm sure some of them were definitely, you know, died in the world, true believers, Afghan army fighters wanting to defend themselves and their country from the Taliban. But if you take it a couple of other data points, one, the Pew study that says 99% of Afghanistani citizens want to have Sharia law enacted. And you contrast that with our efforts to take Afghanistan into modernity by teaching them gender studies,

by trying to actually encourage homosexuality and all these things and women's rights and yada, yada, yada. The culture clash, thinking of that Coen Brothers movie, culture clash, the culture clash there was irreconcilable and the civilizational clash was irreconcilable. And just one last point of this the whole american military machine is supported by this enormous logistics infrastructure right air support weapons and development research and development supply

chains manufacturing all these things and they trained apparently and i'm not an expert but i do talk to many uh they train the afghan army to operate the same way that the united states military does which requires this gigantic infrastructure behind it and so the minute you pull that infrastructure out well then of course it's it's stupid it's like it's like it's like giving the whole afghan army a bunch of teslas to drive and then then then taking away the electricity did you see that that's actually a really good metaphor. There's a photo.

I don't know if it's real, but it's a Taliban guy pointing a gun at a bunch of civilians who are shocked and scared, and they're standing up against a wall of the UN security goals or whatever. I don't know if that's true because it's awfully convenient,

but it was a convincing photo nonetheless, and it was like, here's our sustainability goals or whatever, the plan they've got the website. Taliban's all about the memes these days, I hear. Posting memes, man. They're killing it on Twitter, dude. Killing it on Twitter.

Now, hold on. It's not all bad news because we have this story from Politico. We have another story, too. Apparently, Mark Milley says it's possible the U.S. will work with the Taliban because of ISIS-K. Cool. So we have that. And then we also have the Biden administration is now considering giving the Taliban cash aid if they uphold their international obligations. So it seems like Biden's strategy was like, well, we can pay to have people there on the ground

securing the country indefinitely, or we can pay the Taliban to just do whatever, as long as they do the things we like. We know how that plays out. You give the Taliban cash, you encourage all the bad things they're doing, because then they're like, we'll keep doing bad things unless you give us more money. Then you give them money. The bad things go down for a few months and they start coming back and they say, well, maybe you got to give us more money. It's like that trope where the guy walks, the private detective walks in and he's like he's like i need information and then he's like you know maybe i need a little cash and then he hands him money and the guy goes maybe i need a little bit more and he keeps milking it as much as he can yeah you can't do that doesn't work well when you lose a war the loser always pays

period we lost a war therefore we pay none of that surprises me. When you lose a war, you pay money. Ask England. Sorry. Even if you help somebody win a war, they still pay. Well, you can also end a war with what's called a white peace, which is where nobody wins and nobody loses. It's just the war just stops. And that's probably what should have happened. But they surrendered.

That's a different form of ending a war. That's when you give them money. I think all this comes back to our original question that we formulated a while back. Dumb or diabolical? Dumb or diabolical? I'm leaning dumb here. They're going to work with the Taliban and give them cash? I don't know if that's... I mean, it could

be dumb and diabolical. No, I just mean the entire thing is dumb. Every decision to go in. Going all the way back to George W. Bush's decision to go in there, his announcement back to george w bush's decision to go in there his announcement in the second inaugural address where he says that the american foreign policy goal is to end tyranny across the world what that was a radical transformation of american foreign policy that was doomed from the start it's representative of progressive ideology

and it has now played out over 20 years where along the way we tried to gender studies them up in the whole thing to make them peaceful and modern just like us and it failed it failed it failed it failed it's dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb all down the way what did what did we do back in uh let me make sure i have the year right what was the cold war era in afghanistan the 1970s yeah what who was it that was was being trained and armed in the 1970s in Afghanistan by the United States? Some bad guys that came later to blow us up. Yeah, they called them the Mujahideen. Oh, the Mujahideen.

And the U.S. armed and trained them so they would fight against the Soviets and drive the Soviet Union out. And they did. And then later on broke off to form Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. And Al-Qaeda attacks us and then Taliban takes over Afghanistan and the U.S.-Qaeda attacks us. And then Taliban takes over Afghanistan. And the U.S. goes, oh, no, now we have to evade Iraq, I guess, because Saddam Hussein's bad.

And, you know, that whole thing's going on. So then we did that. Of course, we went to Afghanistan first. And so I look at this and I'm wondering, Jack, are they really dumb? Or is Iran about to get a whole lot of weapons, high-grade, advanced American weaponry, because Afghanistan can't maintain their own economy. Already we're seeing videos and photos of people lining up outside of banks by the hundreds because the economy just stopped.

There's no central banker anymore. Not like I like central banking, but the people who ran that place are gone. You think the Taliban keep the power on? No. But I'll tell you what they can do. They can call up their buddies over in Iran and say, we need infrastructure help now. And Iran will be like, we see you got some pretty uh black cocks over there so what happens real quick in 10 15 or 20 years when you've got a new isis armed with advanced american weaponry

and they're causing problems and the older generation is is retiring there or many are passing on you know we're all you know we're going to be in our 50s and 60s, and the young generation, not remembering any of what happened, says, oh no, these evil people overseas are violent and oppressive. We should stop them. And the U.S. goes, oh no, look at all the weapons and all the terror.

We have to stop them. So the U.S. arms and funds the Mujahideen, they become the al-Qaeda, the Taliban, justification for our wars in the Middle East, once again, and are we on that same track probably because we're stupid we don't understand anything that's going on over there we don't any understand any of the the historical tribal differences we don't understand all that now but you brought up a lot of points just give me just a little bit of space to get to them i have talked to a number of experts military experts

u.s special forces, captains and pilots that have flown this type of equipment that is there on the ground who operated in theater, logisticians whose job it was to support the aircraft and the helicopters that are on the ground in Afghanistan. And to a man, each single one of them told me the same thing. One, any of the technology that we gave the Afghanistan army was old stuff. It was not the latest and greatest, none of it. We didn't give them the highest, latest and greatest weapon, weaponry systems. And they weren't even the latest and greatest Blackhawk versions. Two, that China and Iran have both had access to this technology since the eighties. Three, that it will be

impossible to sustain and maintain this hardware in that desert without the massive logistical support that comes with the United States military. So, and again, I get tons of pushback on this on Twitter. I don't know about any of this stuff. I'm literally talking to people that were in theater, in field, who know this equipment and know how it works. And this is what they have told me. People often respond to us saying that Iran still uses captured planes from the 70s.

They do, because now this is in comparison. Again, I've had the same argument and I researched the same thing. The difference between Iran and Afghanistan are vast. Iran is a fully formed civilization of thousands of years. They have their own domestic commercial aviation industry. They make planes and engines and stuff. Afghanistan doesn't even have electricity. Jack, what country is to the west of Afghanistan?

Now, to that point, as far as I understand it, and I'm not an expert, so if I'm wrong, I apologize. People tell me. Iran, Shia, Afghanistan, Sunni. How are they? They're natural-born enemies. Why are they supporting each other? Are they supporting each other? I don't know so all these arguments that i'm hearing about iran's going to help afghanistan and we're giving them all this equipment and whatever upon further investigation not all that

holds up i mean well i i don't i wouldn't i wouldn't say that doesn't hold up good argument and obviously look we're a bunch of guys on the internet acting you're talking about this great war and i'm sure there's some like you know e4 or, who's like, he knows so much more than we do. I'm sure, but I've talked to the guys that actually know who are in the field that fly the things, that fly the things in Afghanistan, that have been there and done it and supported it. In order to do a hardware overhaul on a Blackhawk,

it takes a year to disassemble it before it takes two years to put it back together oh yeah and that is just to support it from regular flight operations and i see they're doing military parades in there and you know guys by the way that that blackhawk image of the guy hanging from it he wasn't hanging he was in a harness and he was waving to everybody yeah okay they were flaunting it they weren't killing anybody but the point is they're just joyriding this stuff around which means it's going to degrade even more quickly. But they don't care because they beat us without any of that crap in the first place.

You know why? Because they have time and they have mountains. No, no, no. I'm pretty sure they had F-15s and nuclear weapons. Right. Joe Biden said you'd have to have that to defeat the U.S. Oh, yeah. Clearly, they did.

And Biden's just keeping it a secret from us because if we found out that the Taliban had news, we'd be real scared, right? Indeed. Or they're just mountain people with guns. Mountain people with guns, which is exactly what I want to be here in the United States. And I had a friend joke that Appalachia will be the graveyard of empires here in the United States. Oh, wow. That's a cool. Right?

The graveyard of empires in Appalachia. That's it. So I was watching this. I was reading something about why Afghanistan is just a terrible location. And it's because there's people who grow up there, who live there, who live in the mountains and subsist on mountain life. And we try to go in. And that's the high ground. It's very difficult to occupy for people.

I mean, it's the altitude. It's the breathing. And so there's not a lot there. It's rocky. And it's just hard to hold. No great umpire's been able to do it. So I wonder if that then translates to Appalachia. It does indeed.

It does indeed. And I was just watching The Patriot the other night and it's a historical significance aside, a powerful movie. But there's a great line in there where Mel Gibson's like, you know, I taught you every back trail and cave and hideout in this region. And that's what we're going to do.

And that's how we're going to use it. And that's what I've always been taught about the American Revolution is that we ultimately won mostly because we knew the train and we could act in a guerrilla fashion, et cetera. But look, I think that's a myth, actually, that that is why we won. Yeah, I think it wasn't because we stood up in front of the British and just shot more musket balls. No, it was because the French intervened and Britain was was strainedined and then i mean the revolution went on for 20 years you know the formal declaration happens sometime after there was already revolution rebellion yeah and and there was shooting and the british empire was finally like we can't do this anymore but uh i do think the grill tax obviously did play a role for sure but i think it's overstated i was reading

something about it yeah and they were like i think it's understated how much the french intervening was like i think the french wiped out the british navy at some point it did and they showed up there at the end and it was really helpful but uh to just to finish this one thought um look if you're going to colonize a country you can't just send a governor and some army guys and hope that you're going to change the nature of the country you have to send families you have to send settlers you have to send people to build cities and create culture and art and commerce and all these things which is why actually we in the united states gained our independence is because they had to send actual humans and families and

people to settle the United States it wasn't just a colony in the Caribbean or in Africa where we could just send a governor and some troops and just extract the resources that we wanted from those countries we had to actually send human beings to come live here and have their lives here which is why in a way it was so successful that it was such a civilization that we were like, you know, that's it to England. You need stories. The people who are growing up in Afghanistan don't have any national unity. The story that they're told, that the kids growing up is, the Americans invaded and took over and now we live under their rule. What great story.

So, you know, when I'm a kid and I'm growing up, I see that photo of Iwo Jima and they're raising the flag and never forgetting all of these things. These things meant to inspire and tell kids that's what you want to be like. That's what you aspire to be. What do they have in Afghanistan if you're growing up and you're like, we were conquered? So the people in the street are celebrating with the Taliban. Well, that's not the story they told them. What they told them was that empires, Alexander the Great, the Russians, the Americans, they all come here and they all lose.

Son, son, we're just waiting them out. Yeah. And I don't want to use this cliche because it's so cliched and everybody uses it, but they're like, son, they got watches. We got time. Oh, yeah. And that's the thing. If you're going to colonize a desert mountain mountain then you need to import food and that's

going to cost you trillions and trillions of dollars you need to import water that's another true all right but for 80 years you got to fund that thing it's going to be an 80 year project three centuries if you want that to happen the fundamental error here is that we in our progressive era politics and foreign policy and modernity and all these things that we think we can change everyone around the world if they could just listen to us and learn our ways they will improve and change and whatever and our arrogance led us to believe that not only were we going to just go to like a country that was like a step below us and just kind of bring them up to where we were no we were going to go to the most bass-ackwards place in the entire world

with a civilization more antithetical to ours than any other in existence and try to bring them up to 2021 wokeness that is the height of folly. I'll tell you what I think. What country is to the west of Afghanistanghanistan we mentioned it but i'm asking again oh my god i don't know there's this is like this pakistan and iran and iraq and there and china's over they're all over there somewhere to the west of afghanistan why you put me on the

spot i just i'm just doing this as like a rhetorical everyone should do this you should look at a map look at a map and get familiar with the area right now country directly west of afghanistan is iran okay there we go Do you know what country is directly east of Iraq? Iran. Iran. Yeah. And so when you look at what John Bolton's been saying, that we will be celebrating victory in Tehran by this time next year instead of a couple years ago, it sounds to me like the purpose of Afghanistan is not to create a nation necessarily, but to create a stronghold where we can supply troops and have military infrastructure because they wanted to invade Iran.

Oh, well, that's absolutely true. That was all part of the neocon dominoes falling theory that they put forth after we decided to invade. Okay, that's the part that people forget, I believe, is that we decided to invade Afghanistan and then Iraq

before Wolfowitz and the neocons had fully formulated their spreading democracy concept i believe that the spreading democracy concept came after the urge to invade afghanistan in iraq but this is me going back 20 years and trying to remember the news reports news reports at the time i was in grad school so we're talking about this quite a bit. And I just remember Wolfowitz and the neocons formulating the spreading of democracy and the dominoes falling theory after it was already determined

by Bush's rhetoric going, he would do this word smash where he would go, Iraq, Al-Qaeda, 9-11, Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein, Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saddam Hussein. Terror.

Terror. And he would just mash all those words up together without any logical coherence, but he would just say them together in a rhythm in such a way that everyone began to associate all those concepts together. Al-Qaeda, Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, Iraq. Ah, 9-11. Ah, more of this is going to happen. Ah, we have to defend ourselves. That was the banging of the war drums at that time. And I believe that the academic infrastructure for all of this, the Wolfowitz-led neocon theory,

abdominal falling and such, my memory, could be wrong, and I was younger then for sure, was that that came afterwards and became the justification for this prolonged experience that we had there. That, of course, the military-industrial complex gets behind. They're like, yeah, we can sell more bombs. You know what I'm really, really impressed by? You've got to give it to the United States, the power and the prowess of their armed forces in being able to stage an invasion of a country less than a month after the terror attack that happened, which was the reason for that attack. So it's like we invaded Afghanistan in October of 2001, October 7th, 2001.

So that means 9-11 happens. George W. Bush says, we know who did it. He reached out to the Taliban and says, hand over Osama bin Laden. They said, give us proof. He says, we don't need proof. We know he's guilty. I'm paraphrasing, but that's a near accurate quote. And then in less

than a month, the U.S. had the resources and the strategic positions to invade a country. I mean, that is wow. It's not a coincidence. They've been at this for decades and decades. Are you insinuating that 9-11 was an inside job meant to

set us on some foreign policy excursion? No, I think George W. Bush wanted to invade Afghanistan no matter what happened. And after 9-11 happened, he was like, well, we're going to win. Afghanistan or Iraq? Iraq was later. His dad invaded Iraq in the 90s. So I remember their arguments back then because I'm a little bit older than you guys. And I remember them saying like, oh, all this is about George Bush avenging his daddy. And so maybe in his mind, and I don't know, I'm totally little bit older than you guys, and I remember them saying, like, oh, all this is about George Bush avenging his daddy.

And so maybe in his mind, and I don't know. I'm totally speculating. I know people who know this, so maybe I should just ask them. But maybe when he got in the office, he was like, we've got to fix this thing in Iraq. And then 9-11 happened, and it was like, oh, we'll do this, then we'll do that. I'm saying they wanted to invade already. They just wanted it. They had talked about it. They had the invasion in the 90s they wanted to go in the neocons wanted they wanted

to invade and i'm saying that we we we were very quick in our like what i mean to say is we we we waited no time right we we didn't say like let's have international hearings let's let's let's get a third a third nation involved to to to make demands of the like, let's have international hearings. Let's get a third nation involved to make demands on the Taliban. Let's put international pressure. It was like less than a month. It was like, send in the troops. We didn't go after bin Laden. We set up a nation building.

No, no, no. We did go after him. Yeah, part of the project of nation building was. We did, but then we let him go in Bora Bora. But I'll push back on one thing you said there. They definitely formed an international coalition. They definitely brought in other countries. There definitely was a huge coalition of countries that went into Afghanistan.

I don't mean for invasion. I mean for verification. Hey, how about before we invade a country, we have council hearings. We make demands. We sanction. It's really interesting that the Taliban said, give us proof. Bush said, we don't need proof. You know he's guilty.

And then we're going to war in less than a month. It's like, yo, yo. Halliburton is ready. Let's get those contracts. They wanted the war. And they were like, we're going for it. You know, it's funny. If you think about the timeline, actually, from 1991 until September 11th, that's the period in time that I call the Pax Americana.

That is when we were cashing the peace dividend of the end of the Cold War. There wasn't any obvious international like hegemon that could like was like challenging us anywhere. The Soviet Union had fallen.

We had gotten so comfortable, actually, that we had turned our foreign policy attention to the Western Hemisphere. We were like engaging with Latin America. We're going to build a free trade area of the Americas, all this stuff. we had turned our foreign policy attention to the western hemisphere we were like engaging with latin america we're going to build a free trade area of the americas all this stuff there wasn't any real war or military conflict or clearly defined enemy at all whatsoever from 91 until

2001 so it is a reasonable presumption to make that in that intervening 10 years all the military industrial complex guys were like, oh, we got to get something here. We got to get something going. We got to get something. What's it going to be? What's it going to be? What's it going to be?

And then Iraq. And then Iraq. We did have Saddam Hussein in the Iraq thing. We did, but he was a boogeyman. But those are teeny tiny little things. They wanted a 20-year guaranteed no-bid contract. Resource extraction, the whole thing. Yeah, yeah.

I'm trying to remember, what year was Bush's second election? Was that 2002? It was 2004. Yeah, 2000 he got elected. 2004 was re-election. 2004. Yeah, so by the time he makes that second inaugural and the goal of America is to end tyranny around the world. We'd already been way, way involved. So that wasn't leading.

I want to go back to the Iranian Revolution of 1979. This is a little bit before my time. I was born in 1979. But, I mean, they had this guy, the Shah, and it was like this 2,000-year-old monarchy. And they basically, I think the CIA caused this revolution to this theocratic, what's this, the Ayatollah Khomeini, this like, now they're this theocratic uh what's this the ayatollah khomeini this this like now they're this theocratic muslim well theocracy country but we basically created that yes we did why i don't know to make enemies for people in the region soviet union but then they then all

of a sudden the world became globalized and internet and now yeah specifically the soviet union is this like the soviet union falls and now the u.s is like okay time to clean up the mess we made is that what they've been doing well i mean that was 1979 the iranian revolution but after the soviet union falls i don't know about cleaning up the mess but it's like expand the footprint grow the empire more bombs more wars more money expand the remember this is all tied at the same time to neoliberal economics, which is like blow out all the markets, free trade. Let's engage with China. Let's engage with every EU. Let's create the free trade area of the Americas, which was all just about globalize, globalize,

globalize. So it all adds up and stacks up into the globalization theory. This whole thing that basically me and my friends and maybe you guys are on board now, I don't know, are anti-globalization. And all these things that we're talking about are globalization, about the globalization of American empire, globalization of American trade, American values, American freedoms, American

all the things. What's the issue you have with globalization? What are some bad things to say about it? Well, I mean, look, the great example is what we're just talking about here with Afghanistan is that we believe that we have a set of values and customs and morals and a virtuous framework that we can go and just apply universally to civilizations across the world. Does not work. People are different.

And they don't want what we are selling. Right. You have to occupy for, I don't think three centuries. Generations. I think four generations. Okay, yeah occupy for, I don't think three centuries. Generations. I think four generations. Okay, yeah, enough. Occupy their country or their mind. Enough to have all of the people

who remember the old ways pass on. Dead. And then the next generation remembers nothing and says, this is the way things are. They've always been. Right, right. So that's one element.

The second element of globalization that's no good for everybody is the race to the bottom on wages and environmental standards, which is what the... And I'm throwing environmental standards in as sort of a joke, but that was the argument against the 1999 WTO ascension of China into the World Trade Organization, of which Black Block, the precursor to American Antifa, was protesting. Well, Black Block was just a tactic. Antifa uses the Black Block tactic. So it was leftist activists using the Black Block tactic, same as Antifa, in opposition to the World Trade Organization.

And their arguments were actually pretty salient. We'll have a global downward pressure on wages. We'll have a global downward pressure on environmental standards. And what happened? All that stuff went to China and their environmental standards are much lower. Wages went exported all around the place. And what happened? Our entire middle class and industrial support within the United States has been completely hollowed out and offshored. So globalization, the fundamental problem with globalization is that our cultural way of life is unique to us as a people it is not

a universally applicable to every civilization and person around the world and that is a humorous and arrogance that we have to get over but that's and you're right and that's what a lot of these dictators and conquerors all believed every single one of these authoritarian dictatorships who are expanding and taking over thought, this set of values we have is universal and can be applied. The thing about the communists that's different from us to a certain degree

is that they were like, we'll just kill anybody who opposes us. The U.S. does that to a certain degree, but they genuinely try to buy people. It's the capitalist approach. Just give them money and comforts. It's really amazing. You give does that to a certain degree, to a certain degree, but they genuinely try to buy people. It's the capitalist approach. Just give them money and comforts. It's really amazing. You give them something to lose, whereas the communists were like, we'll just lose them.

Well, what's interesting, too, about communism is that it's like sub-nation state. It's like below the unite various factions and people in different nations against the nation state that they're living in, which was what the end of the Westphalian era and the Westphalian Treaty was supposed to be about, which is supposed to be about like nations here not meddling with their ethnic group and there in that nation and like setting up these boundaries so that the conflicts were actually between nations. But then communism came along and made it so that people across different nations and boundaries could unite around a common cause and become a common faction because of common problem. Now, that's not, you know, totally notwithstanding all the issues around communism, but that is one of the interesting conflicts it presents with the nation state system as we have it. Now, I think one of the things that we have to appreciate as Americans is that our American way of life, our values, our virtues, our constitutional republic, our representational government, all these things,

they're not universally applicable. Not everyone in the world wants it. Not everyone in the world needs it. Not everyone in the world is going to thrive under it. It is specific to us in our context, in our geography, in our history, in our geography, in our history, in our language, in our religion, in our people. And that's why it works for us. It's our thing. You know what I absolutely loved? There are many things I've done in my life.

And there are many things that I've experienced. I'm like, this is amazing. Going to Taksim Square in Istanbul and Istiklal, amazing. Because I'll tell you this. So you've got Taksim Square. Obviously, the riots and the tear gas was certainly experience. I wouldn't call it a net positive. You know, people giving you, like, lemon juice to, like, wipe off the tear gas.

I don't know if that works. It just made it hurt more. But anyway, so that was an experience. But no, no, it was brilliant. When the conflict wasn't happening, here I am in this beautiful park with people doing their thing. And there are these really old, like several hundred year old baklava shops. And you go in and they have all these different kinds of baklava.

It's amazing. So delicious. And they would give you these little things of ice cream with it. And that was something I never got anywhere. I've had baklava in the United States. Not the same. By no stretch.

I was there for a couple of weeks and I was gaining weight. I was like, this stuff is too good. It's just drenched in sugar syrup. And the desserts they have, they take like grain and they twist it and spiral it and then pour syrup on it. And that was something unique in that experience. And I love that. Walking down Istiklal, this long street.

And I'll tell you my problem with globalization. I had that experience. And the, oh man, and the Islak burgers. You know what that means? Wet hamburger. They take the burger. They like dip it in like, they get all moist. We got to make these things.

It's like lamb. And then it's like they put the sauce on it and then they steam it and then they wrap it so it gets soggy. And it's like a buck and you're all drunk in the middle of the night and you walk in and they just take it out of the heater and give it to you and everyone's just eating them. Amazing. What an experience. And I tell people like, you ever have like the Islok burger? And people are like, whoa, what's that?

It's this unique thing. I went to the Bahamas. Get off the cruise ship. And I'm thinking, this is going to be so much fun to bask in the culture that is the Bahamas. And you know what I saw?

McDonald's. McDonald's, Starbucks, Gucci, Hard Rock Cafe. And I was like, this stuff's next door to me. I don't want to go to the Bahamas for this. So I had to walk into some neighborhoods and try and find a local shop where they're making local food. And I was like, this stuff's next door to me. I don't want to go to the Bahamas for this. So I had to walk into some neighborhoods and try and find a local shop where they were making local food. And I was like, that's the problem.

It's going to be like everybody put on your gray jumpsuit, shave your head. Everything's the same. No matter where you go, anywhere in the world, it's McDonald's and Starbucks. Welcome to globalization. It strips out the adventure and the uniqueness and the decentralization of the human experience. Agreed. And in fact, we call that global homogenization.

And that's something that we think is really bad. And so therefore, I am in favor of globo-homophobia. That's what I'm in favor of. Globo-homophobia. I love that word. Homogenophobia. Yes, exactly. My problem with globalization is, we had a guest on this,

actually made this point, I think, or you did about someone else that said it, is that it's inevitable. It's going to happen regardless. It is. How is it going to happen? It's actually not inevitable. Well, at the rate we're going,

the expansion and interlocktivity of human interaction. Interconnectivity. Yeah. Ask Victor. Interlocutionarity. Ask Victor Orban if he believes that globo homogenization is inevitable. The point is that I think that it might be inevitable, but how it's going to happen is not, is variable.

So there's been a pushback against political globalization. People don't want that. People don't want that in the U.S., the Internet. People are terrified of a one-world government, so they're going the economic route. They're trying to work it out. It's more cultural. It's cultural, like with the movies and the music and the film and the jeans and the whiteness and all the things. Those things are exported.

You can export them across the pipes, the internet pipes, the satellites and the whole thing. That's everywhere. Have you ever been, and dude, I have been to third-world countries in backwater villages up the creek down the where there's like nothing else, but you know what you could get? You get three things. You can get a pack of Marlboros. You get a Coca-Cola. You get a Johnny Walker. You get those anywhere.

A Johnny Walker? Oh, yeah. Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker. It's all poison. I'll tell you this, man. When, you know, being in Egypt during the revolution, you see the McDonald's three blocks away. Yeah, but that's decades old.

That's been everywhere. McDonald's has been in Beijing since, you know the McDonald's three blocks away. Yeah, but that's decades old. That's been everywhere. McDonald's has been in Beijing since who knows how long ago. But the most important salient factor in what we're talking about here is the values, the political values, the personal values, the morals, the virtues, the family structure, all these things that we hold dear, the virtues that the country was built upon. I just spent some time studying with the Claremont boys out there in Las Vegas at the fellowship. One of the things that we really were struck by when I'm reading original texts, original texts from the founders, John Jay,

Alexander Hamilton, all these guys, not only just around the Federalists and the Constitution, but around state constitutions and the discussions around state constitutions. So you get real context. It's not just the federal thing. It's in every state from everybody. And they all firmly believe the couple of following facts. One, that you have to build the government like a coat to suit the individual, okay? It has to be specific to the people. Two, that the American people were a unique set of people bound by language, culture, history, stories, experiences, blood, race, religion, and so forth. And so therefore that the American government was built as a coat to suit these unique people.

And we can't take that coat. Tim, imagine if we took my jacket and put it on you. I'd be really warm. You'd be really warm and you'd be swimming and you'd be half lost in that thing, right? I could probably pitch a tent, put a stick up and then just sit under it. Pitch a tent, he said. Get a little fire going. So if you give me your jacket, I put it on, I put it on,

I flex and I bust the seams out like the Hulk. It's a disaster, right? Yeah, but it looks cool in slow motion. So this is what our country was founded. This is not just like one guy's idea. This was the entirety of the people founding our country understood that our people were unique, our history was unique, our language and religion and culture were unique and the

government that we built was unique for those people so this idea that we can take what we have here for us a special kind of people and like just universally apply it across the world is asinine well what about bitcoin i, I think that we've universally spread a concept globally where we're globalizing under a currency. Yeah, but that's just the idea of money exists everywhere. Commerce exists everywhere. Exactly. On Earth, it does. I'll put it this way.

It seems to. I'm 50-50. I think there needs to be strong international ties, but there needs to be sovereign respect. So what I mean to say is, is there something we can do to make sure that a country's borders, laws, and customs are respected and we prevent war? We prevent major, serious international conflict and destruction and Havana syndrome or nuclear weapons? You know, what's funny is that the wars that we have been involved in are because we want to exert our way of life on other people. I'll tell you here's the problem.

It's utopian. Yes. I think globalization is very, very likely. And the issue is there are people who are willing to die for their ideology or seriously harm others, and there are people who aren't. And the United States is a bunch of hyper-individualistic, right-wing nutjobs in the middle of the woods with a bunch of guns. And I mean that in the best way possible. I mean, we got a whole bunch of people who are sitting on a mound of beans with guns and be like, I'm not going to bother you, you don't bother me.

And I'm like, right on, brother. So it's very hard to conquer. That's not everybody, though. There are a lot of countries where they're like you know my god is the one true god therefore and they're going to they're going to fight and they're going to attack and then you have communists who have found subversion to be the powerful method and so now you might have that hyper individualistic dude who's you know living in the in the mountains who's minding his own business respectfully, peacefully, and he's well prepared. But all around him, the cities are falling to subversive ideologies to submit, to break apart.

We have a relatively decentralized system here compared to many other places. By design, yeah. By design. And so you can subvert that. And that's what communists and Marxists and others have been doing. So ultimately what I see is those who are willing to oppress, lie, cheat, and steal have a major advantage, and they've been winning in that front. And that's because the difference between what we have here and what they have there, at least at the time of the founding and for most of American existence, was that the American citizenry was devout Christian. And so this is the fundamental issue, is that our Declaration of Independence

is based on natural law and natural rights, which come from the Creator. And in the Christian belief, the Creator is a monotheistic God. So there's only one God. And if you've got other gods, you're wrong. So we have one God, natural law, natural rights, American constitutional republic. That's the direct lineage and the declaration of independence. And that's what everybody at the time thought

when they signed the thing. And so if you believe at the same time that there's only one God and that everybody else's God is wrong, well, then there's almost a compulsion to spread that ideology to other people. But I think that what we need to do is just respect the fact that other that everybody else's God is wrong, well, then there's almost a compulsion to spread that ideology to other people. But I think that what we need to do is just respect the fact that other people have different ideas. And I interviewed Alexander Dugin, the Russian philosopher who pushes his ethnic multipolarity ideas, because he believes that people are different based on their geography and their location and their history and who they are inside, etc. And that they evolve into needing different political regimes. People have evolved to need different political regimes.

The Chinese, for example, have evolved in their own civilization, in their own context, with their own everything. So they've evolved their own political regime, just like we have here in the West. But population growth will lead to borders pressing on borders. There's no free land anymore for the most part. There's like some rock, like volcanic rock I was looking at down by Antarctica. Dude, I've been doing the same thing, trying to find unclaimed land. It doesn't exist. You can build islands.

Sure, sure. But the point is that we've reached, it used to be like, oh, okay, it's no big deal because there were a lot of places that were just open. Send them to the colonies. Right? And they're ill-defined territories. So people who are like – People with claims.

Remember when there was just like claims on land? Well, we claim this and we claim that. Now there's nations everywhere. I have a weak claim on your land. So now what happens when China says we need to expand. And as we expand, we need more resources. And we can't get access to resource X because it's not within our borders. Let's go ask them for it. What would you want? We'll not

give you anything for this resource, but we have to have it. Otherwise, our people are suffering. When a population of any species grows too large and the amount of resources levels out, everyone suffers. You see it in every overpopulated species, deer, pigs, turkeys, whatever. They become sickly, they become malpopulated species, deer, pigs, turkeys, whatever. They become sickly. They become malnourished. And they fight, become aggressive because there's just enough resources to sustain their current level of population. So then what do you think is going to happen to people when in a country like China with

1.4 billion, they're like, we got to get food somehow. We're importing it from Australia. What happens when these other countries start saying, we're not going to give it to you? Well, we're not going to sit here and die. And now that there's no unclaimed land, someone's going to have to give up what they did claim. Well, you bring up an interesting point, which is that every other country around the world shares the perspective that I am putting forth right now, which is that there is no universal morality, no universal virtue, no universal political regime, no universal constitution

that should be applied, no universal rights, none none of it no one else believes that except for us well there is a universal thing is economics it it permeates everything a bank a bank can can cut your your account they can they can remove you if you want to talk about disrupting the decentralized union of the united states yeah communism but banking no i can they can remove saying i heard you saying can we just finish this one thought before we get on to that which is to say that the chinese people aren't looking at their chinese government being like everybody here needs to be chinese all around the world we're going to export chinese ideology everywhere no they're thinking mercantilist right and that's one thing that we haven't woken up to is the fact that China is mercantilist. Their national trade policy is to enhance their national standing and the good benefit to their people.

That's why they do trade, which is to make their nation stronger as a nation for foreign policy and national domestic policy issues. But they're not out there trying to say everybody needs to be Chinese Communist Party. No. They're like, we want that food. We're we're gonna go get it which is a totally different perspective than what we have which is like we have to end tyranny all around yeah but that that idea of an interiorist propaganda it was it was a way to sell war to people because we want to extract no it's definitely not it's 100 not it goes all the way back to woodrow wilson it goes back they conquered in the name of defense i i will i will say at least in america it way back to Woodrow Wilson. It goes back to the Romans. It goes back. They conquered in the name of defense.

I will say, at least in America, it goes back to Woodrow Wilson and the initiation of the progressive policy and modernity and scientific method and the improvement of everything can be reduced. We can eliminate evil. We can eliminate disease. It's reflected in the COVID zero policies

that people have, especially in Australia and what's in America as well. It's this idea that we can perfect things, perfect things, perfect things. So if there's evil out there, we can perfect it. But I disagree. We did not get involved in Syria because we wanted to bring freedom. And Bashar al-Assad was an evil dictator. It's because for a long time we've been trying to build a pipeline, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, and Syria said, we will not go against the wishes of

our ally, Russia, who says no to this because they want more control through Gazprom, et cetera, et cetera. True. And so then back in 2009, The Guardian reported this a couple years later, that the U.S. said we will have ground troops in Syria soon, within the next few years, and then surprise, surprise, as soon as there's an opportunity for the U.S. to involved and give weapons it's it's interesting you're pointing out competing factions you're pointing out competing factions let me say something interesting we in the american revolution the french says the french say we're at war with the british hey these colonists are going to help

us let's supply them with arms and then it worked and the americans get independence in syria the u.s sees this uprising and they're like, and depending on who you ask, by the way, because the leftists will say it was a CIA conspiracy from the get-go, but they see this opportunity with this uprising and they're like, we should arm some of these people because we don't like Bashar al-Assad.

So they intervene to provide resources to the competing faction, hoping that once it topples, we'll be able to build that pipeline. Nothing to do with freedom. Everything to do with opportunistic oil pipeline building. I agree. I agree with that. I think what you're pointing out are competing factions within the United States foreign policy apparatus. You're pointing out factions where

people have like monetary, monetary, excuse me, monetary interests at heart. But at the same time, there is this progressive ideology in our foreign policy, in our domestic policy that's reflected in the gender policy and the Marxist policy, that's reflected in the gender policy, in the Marxist policy, in the feminist policy, in the critical race theory policy, which is all about perfecting things and making things perfect through science and the scientific method and eradicating evil and spreading freedom and all the great things that we have all around the country. Did you see the report from Project Veritas?

Oh, about the teacher? The teacher in California who's got Mao. He's got Mao on his wall. I have 180 days to turn these kids into revolutionaries. Yeah. I think this is one of Veritas' most important stories, to be honest. And it's like some random dopey dude. But this is important because a lot of us are familiar with the goings-on of Google because everyone's got their complaints.

The left says, oh, it's a monopoly that won't ban hate speech. And everyone's kind of focused on them and complaining. And the censorship stuff is overt. But we keep hearing these stories about children being indoctrinated. And they say, oh, it's a monopoly that won't ban hate speech. And everyone's kind of focused on them and complaining. And it's the censorship stuff's overt. But we keep hearing these stories about children being indoctrinated and they say, oh, that's not happening. It's not happening. Veritas then finds just one, one guy, one little old teacher who comes out and says, here's my Antifa flag. Here's my Mao poster. And I tell kids they're bad people that they disagree with me. And then they move further left every single year and you're like these people are real and what you don't realize is the one guy they call it's like a cockroach you see one on the

wall that means there's a thousand more behind it so for veritas to expose the one guy is just the beginning there needs to be more exposure to this but man i i tweeted this out somewhat jokingly your twitter's all jokes it mostly is but i said imagine hating your kids so much you send them to college right because like what what happens to your kids when you send them these institutionalized learning facilities rotted they shave their heads and you know put on weird art rotted clothes and so i i'm dealing with that right now my daughter is 16 years old she's looking at colleges she's a very successful active junior straight straight A's, varsity athlete, can go any college she wants to in the country. And she wants to go to some pretty powerful universities.

She wants to be a doctor, which is like one of the things that you can't do without doing the thing. Unfortunately, I think you should be able to test into that. You should be, but you can't right now. Like if you want to be a stock trader, a tech guy, a programmer, a coder, a businessman, a philosopher, a historian, whatever, you don't have to go to college to do that. But to be a doctor, you got to do that. So I have, and I would do this ordinarily, but I am just prophylactically just blasting her with as much information as I can. So by the time she does get there, that she will at least have a baseline to deal with this indoctrination. Have you taught her about compound interest we haven't talked about compound interest just yet

but i certainly will do that right after this call but on the topic of the sick with the antifa guy and the project veritas thing you're absolutely right that is just the lowest hanging fruit that they were able to scoop up into into identify. There have been reports all across the country. We've got the woman making the kids swear, pledge allegiance to the queer flag in their classroom. Pledge allegiance to the queers, she says. This is on TikTok. It's been widely disseminated. It's not me being hateful or anything. There is very clear evidence where people say, well, you know what? It doesn't matter that the kids lost learning time and can read more poorly today compared to last year because we taught them what a riot was. We taught them what an insurrection was.

We taught them what white systems of oppression are. So all of these people, again, this goes back to exactly what the problem is in Afghanistan, aside from the competing monetary interests, is that the attention of our education apparatus is focused on the wrong thing. The attention of our education apparatus is focused on making these kids into little revolutionaries that pledge allegiance to the queer flag, that don't care about reading and math,

but they only care about learning about rioting and insurrections. And that is what is happening. So therefore, every other result is negative because the primary attention is put on the wrong thing it's rot yes it is it is institutional rot it is the core foundations that make up the country and our culture are rotting and decaying and no one no they're being poisoned they're not just rotting and decaying. They're being poisoned. They're being deliberately sabotaged. Right?

We have saboteurs among us. That teacher is a saboteur. Right. Okay? Public people will argue with me, but go back to the source documents, folks. The public education system in America was established to create a sense of patriotism in America. This teacher is being fired. This was the latest update we have from Postmillennial. Antifa teacher set to be fired by school after attempting to radicalize children.

Attempting. Apparently he's been doing it for years. Wow. But I'll tell you about these. But did you see the t-shirt he was wearing when they confronted him? Oh, when Veritas did? What was it? It was a freaking sickle.

He's got the tattoo, dude. He was wearing a sickle t-shirt. He's got a tattoo on his chest, bro. Yeah, it's right there. He's got a tattoo on his chest, bro. He's got a tattoo on his chest. The institutional rot. Let me tell you a story. We at TimCast.com are hiring a bunch of fierce and independent journalists. That's 10 bucks I spend every month.

We're doing a great job and we had a story about a truck full of Moderna vaccines crashing and there was limited information on it and we thought, you know, we heard, we thought it was a big deal. And so Tim cast a reporter, start investigating, figure out what's going on with this truck. And it's a crazy story. So I tweeted like, you know, we ended up learning from the local emergency response in West Virginia, where this happened, that the DOD took over and,

and the locals were not allowed to give statements to the press. And I said, wow. Now, the truth is the Department of Defense works with the HHS and they have jurisdiction over vaccine shipments. So when it happened, they're like, hey, we're going to be handling this. So it's not like there was a grand conspiracy or anything. And I never said that. I tweeted out something bad happened. Truck crashes, carrying Moderna vaccine, airspace gets shut down,

hazmat comes out, and now the DOD is taking over. And I guess a lot of people immediately assume conspiracies. And what ends up happening is an article gets written claiming that I'm a conspiracy theorist, that I didn't accurately inform any of my followers about what really happened, even though I posted a link to the story. Now, it's something I want to get off my chest and just mention because it was like an example of something affecting me. But I also think it's a good example of institutional rot, that there is someone who knows my story

was 100% true, 100% factual, and I never implied there was a grand conspiracy. I genuinely was like, whoa, a vaccine truck flipped over. This is crazy. The DOD's on it. Isn't that crazy? We were worried, like, did they lose a shipment of vaccine? Because they weren't telling us. And then we got a statement saying, don't worry, we were able to recover all the vaccine.

I was like, oh, okay. I wasn't implying that like aliens were coming or any crazy stuff, but someone had to write about it and they had to twist it and frame it in such a ridiculous and absurd way that people who will read that will have their minds warped. That is just one example I experienced recently, but I'm sure everybody knows the examples of how the media lies, cheats, and manipulates like Shinzo Abe and Trump. When he throws the fish food in, they fake it or the very fine people hoax. And so what's happening now, and the reason why I think you see these schools focusing on the wrong thing is it's the whole system of our institutions

has been twisted and corrupted by the most absurd and extreme hyper-individualism. There's no national unity. There's no hyper individualism. There's no national unity. There's no sense of community. There's no scruples. This writer at this news outlet didn't say to himself, I can't write that. That's not true. He went, how can I twist this in the worst way possible to get some clicks?

Because I don't care about what happens to this country. I don't care what happens to my community. I don't care what happens to the people. These schools bring these people in and these principals and these superintendents, the ones who haven't been truly indoctrinated, are like, I'm not going to stick my neck out when this teacher does this stuff, because why should I put myself on the line for the sake of the future of this country, our children? And what ends up happening then is over a decade of this happening, eventually the people running institutions are in the cult, and their minds are warped and twisted,

and then they seek out more of it. The way I view this problem, the easiest way to understand it the people running institutions are in the cult and their minds are warped and twisted, and then they seek out more of it. The way I view this problem, the easiest way to understand it is to look up the YouTube video of Hitler with a woman's body doing Tai Chi with the Incredible Hulk where nursery rhymes are being sang. Because this video exemplifies the broken, fractured algorithmic dystopia that we're living in. These videos were going viral. People were making them because the algorithm was feeding them to babies. That is something. So we as adults can see that video and say, this is insanity. Why are children being fed this video?

Babies can't understand that because they have no frame of reference. They just see this and that's life. For the rest of us, spending 10 years going through the broken media ecosystem, the lies, the fake news, and the algorithmic manipulation, we can't tell. Adults who live in it are the same as the babies being born into it. We can see the one thing because it's so crazy. We can't see the crazy in front of us. Now, obviously, I think people watching the show, people like us, are initiated.

And what I mean by that is we're discerning. We see something and say, I want to challenge that. And I want to see how that stands up to scrutiny. Then you look at all these people who all of a sudden are, I tell you this, man, you know, it breaks my heart as the hacker community going woke. Full-on authoritarian dogma. And I'm like, hackers were anti-establishlishment anti-authoritarian totally like agnostic and now the whole it's just becoming more and more woke and i'm seeing people say like here's what you have to say here's what you can't say and i'm like we're changing the

words of code and it's just they they don't understand they're living in this fractured rotted and broken collapsing system they can't see through it i agree i agree 100 on everything you said especially that that really uh very descriptive phrase that you use the algorithmic dystopia right but there's a deeper fundamental issue here it goes even farther back than that and i just started to get into it a second ago about education when the founders created this country they realized that liberty did not mean the freedom to do whatever you wanted. It meant the freedom to do what you should do, what you ought to do, to do the right thing. And so they thought, okay, we're going to give people freedom. So at the same time, we also need to teach them what they ought to do. John Adams very clearly said that this

constitutional republic that we have is only suited for highly virtuous, moral, and religious people. They also said at the same time across every colony and every state constitution and in the federal papers and in the letters of all the founders, they said, we need to establish public schools in order to teach patriotism, virtue, morality, in order to create a people suitable for the government that we have created. Fast forward to where we are today. The education system today, when you try to think that it should teach patriotism or love of country, you would get laughed out of the freaking room, right? Or the idea that the people can just come in and teach communism and Marxism

and anti-American hate and CRT and 1619 stuff in our public schools, or the idea that we're going to be a nation made up of a majority of atheists. I am not a Christian. I haven't been baptized. I'm very sympathetic and I'm very interested and I'm reading the Bible and I understand its value. But at the time of the founding, they didn't even conceive of the possibility of a widespread atheism. So the country has been created in a way that required this, that, and the other guardrail, institution, education, morality, religion, and they have all been wiped out. And so what we're left with now is a constitution that promotes not just liberty to do what you ought, but freedom for licentiousness.

The easiest way I think for people to understand this is just to reference the replicators in Stargate SG-1. When SG-1 created the disruptor device, the replicators, of course, the humanoid replicators, were made up of nanobots, and the disruptor device severed the communication between each nanobot within the greater replicator, causing it to disintegrate into a pile of metal shards. So I'm half kidding. Understanding it's probably very esoteric, and I've been watching a lot of Stargate lately.

But the point is, imagine you have the founding of this country. It was a bunch of different colonies that didn't much get along in a lot of ways. Right. They fought a lot. Right. And had their own currencies. Yeah. And then the Constitution came about after the fact because there were a lot of issues and then a lot of smart people came together

and said yo let's compromise and figure this out together and boy was that was that really amazing and then a shared story started to emerge and all of the different states eventually fought each other because they were about to break apart then there was the the famous line from national treasure a truly a great philosophical piece with Nicolas Cage where he said, before the Civil War, people would say the United States are. And after the Civil War,

they would say the United States is. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a good way to understand that after this point, or at some point, people started to view each and every state as together and fighting for the common good

and the same goals. And someone from New York would be like, ah, those country folk, but we're rallied together around a lot of common ideas. Now we are very much like those nanobots being stripped apart. The individuals no longer are forming a greater community. No social cohesion. Okay.

We have no social cohesion. And up until the 1960s and 70s, it was very easy to maintain national cohesion because you had just a handful of people giving you the stories that you were supposed to listen to and believe. You had Walter Cronkite sitting up there basically at a pulpit

preaching to the entire country, telling people what to think, what to believe, what to feel, what stories to venerate, what heroes to have, what myths to entertain. And then now with technology, and we're as guilty of participant of anybody, is that instead of one guy telling everybody what to think and creating social cohesion that way, we've got a million people talking to a million people with a million different stories.

And now we have no social cohesion because of it. It's TV static. And a big part of the static is if people were all telling real things, it would be a lot easier. But it's the misinformation that's sewn in

that's causing massive dissension and confusion and mistrust. But it's not to say that up until the internet that there wasn't disinformation. There was plenty of it. It's just that we all suffered it at the same time. So it created our own social cohesion in that way.

Right, right. The newspaper would have to be vetted. People would say, okay, we're double-checking this, we're double-checking this, everything. But then, of course, it would be like, and there's weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They lied all the time. And I think the reality for people is they just woke up to how bad the lies were.

Yes. You know, there was a report. I was in Kiev during the Euro My Dan stuff. This is a new story for me, Tim. That's right. And I was on the ground with Vice. And we were reporting on a protest when I think it was Channel 4 in the UK put out a story where this woman was narrating what was going on and she was incorrect. And so I tweeted, hey, you guys are incorrect.

We're here on the ground reporting for Vice. This is what's really happening. And they basically just said, so. They didn't care that what they reported was fake. They just don't care. You see, there are some people that have a yearning to understand and share the stories they've learned, to share the information, and to just inform. Real journalists are like, here's what happened. Do what you will with it.

But we also have a lot of people who are just like, it's a job. I don't know. They wanted me to read the script. I don't care what it says. It just keeps making me think of this term, better men. A lot of times when you come around jack because this is the founding fathers talked about a better men would take care would run the country basically and i feel like we're born plebes and if our parents are better men we have the opportunity to be fast-tracked to become a better

man but otherwise we just grow up as plebes the internet obviously you can study and research but like is it real that there's like a, tiny group of cogent, critical thinking, better men, and that everyone else is just dumb animals? Nope. Kind of. It's not true. Here's a question for you. Are we cursed to live in this?

Here's a question for you guys. Because I know you can transcend those. Where are you more likely to find virtue? In one man, in a a few men or in all men one ah so you're a monarchist i think that if you have a crowd of 100 people well that's a that's a hard question to answer because there's a lot of ways to answer it so this is the fundamental political philosophical question right the odds that a bunch of people have the same virtue is not as likely.

Not the same. There's no difference of virtues. There's only virtues. There's seven virtues, right? Right. There's virtues. There's seven. There's charity.

There's diligence. There's courage, honor, loyalty. Are these the Catholic virtues you're talking about? Well, there's different ones. There's spiritual ones, and then there's ones that you can do in sort of practical world. So what's the right answer to that question well it depends that whatever your answer that question is is the form of government that you think is appropriate i'm such an autocrat if we thought if we thought that there was virtue most likely to be found in the masses then you would just go

with a straight democracy but not even the founders of our country thought that they thought that the people would lead to tyranny. They were right. So we ruled out democracy. Now we're down to representative maybe republicanism and maybe we can go to aristocracy, oligarchy or we can go to monarchy. I think it's much more sustainable to have a group of virtuous people than to have one.

With a virtuous document. Founding fathers, smart fellows. They put power on the paper. They're like, you know, should we have a monarchy just like you know a king and they're like but then there are these problems okay what about like a council of elders what about these problems how about direct democracy well then you get this how about we do all three and they all yell at each other and they're like that's actually pretty clever you know right and they i mean it's very complicated when you lay it on top especially the way that it was back then it's a little less

complicated now because you actually vote for the senators or whatever. But like the senators were supposed to be the House of Lords. They were supposed to be like the landed aristocracy, the oligarchy. Kind of. It was that you would vote for local representatives who would then appoint a senator to go and represent your state to the federal government. And I actually think that was better yeah because it wasn't that they were the house of lords like in the uk you're just a lord and you know you're you're you're you know then they have religious people who are appointed as well it was that i you know i'm sitting here in my little town and jack murray says vote for me for state representative and

i'll make sure we get a good senator go to the federal government i'm like makes sense to me and then people paid attention to the local level by changing the Senate elections. I think the 17th Amendment is at 17th by changing it to a popular vote in the state. Now people stopped caring about their local elections. They slowly began to stop caring about local issues. They started, you know, I'll vote for this guy. He'll take care of it. And now you get the insane phenomenon of people running for Congress going, if you vote me for congress i'm gonna clean up this town no you're not you're going to

the federal government you're gonna vote on wars and stuff you're moving to georgetown buddy yeah what are you talking about did you hear aoc talking to that group of people like five people or something they're like what are you gonna do for me it was like a month old but it was just really grating to see how she's been separated from those people for now for a while they're sent to washington to do washington things they don't act well i would be much happier actually if the congressional representatives from state districts went to congress and worried about federal issues the problem is is that they go to congress and they they they bring federal money back to their local district. That's the actual problem.

It's supposed to be that you operate on the local level and it slowly moves up. When you vote for someone for Congress, someone running for Congress should be like, if you vote for me, I'll vote to end wars. I'll vote for lower taxes or things like that or stronger borders for this country. Instead, they're like, I'll make sure that the homeless problem in our state or in our town i'll bring that north grumman factory here to our state and i'll get that federal program and that federal thing and but let's never get out of committee and then nancy pelosi comes in and says you're just impeaching trump and they go okay pelosi but let's go back to the first question, which is where are you most likely

to find a virtuous man or woman? And I can hear Curtis Yarvin in my ear telling me that we just need a monarchy or a Caesar of some kind. A monk temple. A monk temple. A monastery. Yes, a monastery.

Men above time. If you want to Google that, go for it. But men above time are people that are separated and distant from the current daily goings-ons and who can live a life of contemplation and philosophy and politics. And there is some value to that. And when you're distracted with the day-to-day material urges of the world, it's hard to be able to philosophize in such a way that's best

for everyone without your own personal stuff getting in the way honestly i don't think any man can be virtuous by nature i think we're all corrupt and prone to corruption we all need to eat we all need to destroy life to consume it to survive like that's nastily corrupt from the beginning that's why they say humans are dirty. Humans are sinful by nature. Well, it's destructive. It's vile. It's considered evil to the creature being destroyed. I suppose.

It's terrifying to have to eviscerate an animal and drink its blood to survive. If you're not a predator, it's not terrifying. It's the perfectly most natural. But we are predators. Ian, I think it's because you've been insulated you live in a bubble we all have i've been i've been eating the flesh of the animals that i never saw killed exactly exactly so there's a lot of people who grew up in the countryside who in their little kids their dad hands them a gun and says you know

point it down keep your finger off the trigger and we're gonna go hunt some turkeys and then they watch it happen by that's by nature we're hunters killers you know yes i remember watching this old science video where it shows talking about evolution and it was talking about like plankton and plant cellular life and then it was like and then one cell attacked another and it absorbed it and i was like and that was the beginning of predation and stuff like that and i'm just like yo i mean it's kind of crazy that there are plants, right? Chilling, minding their own business, just doing their thing. They're like, I'm going to grow right here because this is where I am. And then they grow and they're like, I get my energy from the carbon from the air and the light from the sun.

And I'm just minding my own business, building my own chemical structure. And then along comes some chicken. And the chicken walks up and just goes around and rips it off. That's so violent. And that poor innocent around rips it off that that's so violent and that poor innocent plant well yeah that's life right are we going to sit here and be like animals should stop eating plants because plants didn't do anything to anybody or are we going to be like we you know we eat plants and we eat animals right that is life so knowing that then we have to decide who's going to be in charge is it going to be a human because they're vicious

and they're hunters and they're killers and they need to survive. They need to kill to eat. Do you want that person lording over you and your family? Yes, because they understand how I survive. Thank you very much. But they don't even know who you are in this country. That's the problem. This is the problem. It used. I think, you know, I think it was you said the family is communist, right?

Or you were quoting somebody. Yeah, I was quoting to lab on that. Right. It's a really great idea to say that at the smallest levels, leftism is perfect. And then as you scale up, it just makes no sense as it gets bigger and bigger. It's idealistic. It's utopian. And it'd be fantastic.

But once you have different cities that have different interests and different needs, there's going to be conflict because people don't want to die. So I'll put it this way. You hear these stories about a shark attacking a swimmer, and they're usually like either the shark was confused or desperate. We had Daniel Turner here, and he was talking about how the foxes have been going after his chickens. And he was like, normally they won't do it. Now they are. And I'm like, they're getting desperate. The foxes don't want to go near your house.

They're scared of your house. But when they have nothing left to lose, they have to do something. Humans have similar situations where our country says we we have low food stores, we have low energy, we have low of this material that we need for our people. We're getting desperate. What do we do? And if they can't get it from anybody else, war breaks out, just like animals fighting. I agree with that.

Resource competition has been a driver of conflict for a long time. But in the United States, the conflict driver is our factions, and our different factions come from our different faculties. Inside the United States. Inside the United States, yeah. So ideology is, I think for the most part, unique to humans, although we have seen tribal warfare among some lower primates. Oh, yeah, big time. I mean like higher primates, like apes. Yeah, they fought each other.

Chimpanzees. And that might be a very, very rudimentary ideology, but I don't think comes close to what ideology actually is meant to represent. Humans are literally going to be standing there and someone's going to be like, I think Marx was right. And then someone else is going to be like, you're nuts.

And then he's going to pull out, you know, his stone. But even before we get to competing ideologies, within our own ideological system, there is inherent competition based on the varying faculties of men. And by that, I mean each individual man has different capabilities, different interests, different ways that they can get things accomplished in the world. And so, therefore, they're going to have rooted interests in their faculties. And because we have different IQs and different capabilities, and people are taller and shorter and stronger, more inclined to economics or real estate or agriculture or whatever, as those people gain power, then their interests become factions, and those factions become competitive within the United States. And that's one of the reasons why Madison wanted us to have such a wide-ranging expanse of a republic

so that there wouldn't be a dominant faction within the United States. But then Woodrow Wilson basically legalized the faction of Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, Federal Reserve, Military Industrial Complex. They built the school system. That's basically a faction. Don't say the school system. Again, the school system was founded at the time of the founding for the purpose of creating patriotic

forever in the United States. You're saying the schools were created to indoctrinate kids? Yes. In American love of America. That's right. From what I've learned, and I've never gone too deep. I tell my friends so I could say this,

but you say that so smugly to irritate me because you're making a point. It's sarcasm. I know. It's sarcasm. I'm not trying to irritate you. I'm trying to flip the perspective on what it means to do this. But you're saying like, oh, it's to indoctrinate kids into loving America. I know you're just making a point.

But like, yes, that's exactly the point, and we need that. In 1903, John D. Rockefeller... The reason I bring this up is that I've been mentioning a lot that principle isn't necessarily the issue. It's often the subject or the specific ideology, and that's why you might see a lot of people who are immediately called hypocrites.

If you say, the indoctrination in schools is bad, and then you're like, well, the schools are supposed to indoctrinate people, but towards what I want. And then they say, well, the schools should indoctrinate people towards what I want. Correct. And that's where the clash happens. You're both fighting over the ideology. Crouch and crash.

In 1903, Rockefeller founded the General Education Board, which provided major funding for schools across the country. And so basically, this is his faction. Okay. Okay. Okay. But that's 140 years after, or even more than that, after the establishment of public schools for the purpose of creating patriotic citizens who are familiar with virtues and Republican government. I guess it's more he amalgamated his – No, he stole it.

He stole it. His like when the bell rings, you get up, you have to go to class or you'll be penalized, like show up, take the um on top of the whole like moral thing this is a good that's a good distinction because i make this argument on twitter often and people are like no i was industrial people and they wanted to train you to work in factories and whatever whatever fine that may have happened later but public schools are designed to build patriots that function well in our patriotic system period they wanted they was the goal. They wanted social cohesion. Yes. When the kids are all brought up on this. Because this government needs,

I'm sorry, this government needs a particular kind of person. Well, so this is what happens when you have 13 colonies and they don't really agree with each other on a lot other than independence and they need to, they're saying to themselves,

we need to plant a tree whose shade we know we will never sit beneath. That is, raise our children to understand the values that we have set forth and why it's a good thing. And everyone growing up should understand what, you know, blood and treasure was sacrificed for this independence. Oh, man, you mentioned blood and treasure. Holy cow. If we, Abraham Lincoln said that if you violate the law, you disrespect the blood shed by your forefathers.

I don't agree with that. Not all laws are good. Law does not equal virtue. The Constitution, let's say. Okay. He didn't say that, though, right? He violated it. He specifically was talking about just law in general and love of country.

He was a lawyer, and he did have to do that. He had to become an autocrat to keep the union together. To keep the union, yeah. But the point is that we here right now are having this conversation because people that came before us sacrificed their lives, their sons, their treasure, their wives, their family, their homes, all of it. And to disrespect the law that they created and the country that they created after that is to disrespect them.

And that is what his foundation of political religion was, which was the idea that he had that he wanted to animate the country with political religion, a love of country, a love of the Constitution, a respect for the people that died for it. Because as time goes on, you forget. He made an address to this thing called the Lyceum. I want to say it was around like 1830 or 1840. And at that time, he identified the fact that it had been sufficient enough time that all of the actual founding fathers

were dead. And all the revolutionaries were dead. And all the guys who lost sons and families and fathers, they were all dead. So by 1840, 1850, nobody remembered the fact that all these people died for what we've got. I saw an interesting tweet from Michael Malice. Man, we shot this

guy out. Who's Michael Malice? I don't know. He's a comedian. He's a writer. Really funny guy. But it's just really good. It was an idea he tweeted out, and then I just elaborated upon that. By mere virtue of your existence proves that victory

is not only possible, but that it's already happened before. Yeah, it seems like that. Oh, ooh. And so that's something... Space? Yeah, and basing it off

of what he was tweeting. And what I mean by that is there's been so much evil in this world. The rise of communism, the dictators, the murderers, the Nazis, the fascists.

And here we sit today doing a show about American values, freedom, and liberty, which proves not only have we won in the past, but here we are able to continue this, which means victory is not only possible, but it already happened. We constantly do things that are challenging and hard. Like I tweeted out yesterday, if you only ever did what was easy for you, you would have just laid there. You would have laid there until you died. We're always struggling to learn how to do something new and to change our environment. That's ultimately what we're tools for.

I love this quote. It's like, of course the shortcut is hard. If it was easy, it would just be the way. Everything we're doing, if we're doing the easiest thing imaginable, it's not challenging. It's just the normal. But for all of us that are fighting for something, that believe in something, that are challenging something, of course it's hard. It has to be.

But definitely possible. That's the point. I'm not saying impossible. I'm saying hard. These things that seem insurmountable, I think it's because we're looking at big picture a lot of times, like CRT. And everyone's like, I don't know. Where do you even begin? But when you break it down to the local level and then you see a group of teachers are revolting or this guy's getting removed, this teacher's getting removed.

Good thing to see that that guy wearing the sickle who's got the Antifa and the Black Lives Matter and all that communist stuff who says he's got 180 days to turn the kids into revolutionaries, he's getting fired. The woman that said pledge allegiance to the queers, she's getting fired. Pressure. That's an offensive statement. It is a very offensive statement. To everybody. To everybody and

anyone. And you know, look, standing for the pledge of allegiance in school right now is not super cool, depending on where you live. My son told me a story about he's literally the only one in his class who stands every morning recites the pledge wow everyone else i was the only kid not doing that when i was little right because that was kind of the cool thing to do but you know what now the rebellious thing to do is to stand up and say i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states and to the republic for which it stands one one nation divided. Is it under God? One nation divided. One nation united under God. I can't

remember. Indivisible. I'm kind of weirded out by the God thing in America. It was added in the 50s. It was added in the 50s, yeah. The under God and on the Constitution, your rights are from God. I'm like, that's just... Why are you weirded out by it? It's literally in the Declaration of Independence upon which this government was founded. Because I think... Well, we talked

about this before. I wish you were here when we had the first time, that our rights are just, we just earned them through warfare. We took them by force. No, they're given to you by God. That's what they, some magic thing they wrote in there to be like, and if anyone ever messes with you, just say you can never, and it's like, no, this didn't exist before.

You created it. We decided we have American freedom. We talked about this. You don't understand what right means. The government infringing upon your rights doesn't mean you don't have rights. It means the government is infringing upon them. Yeah, I think the idea that you have a right to anything in this reality is absurd. Are you born with the right to defend yourself?

I mean, I'm born with the ability. No. Technically, no, because you're a baby with no abilities. You just lay there. That's an ability, but not a right. I have no rights. As a small infant, you have no right. Perceive yourself in the state of nature with no government around you.

You quickly die. There's people around you, and you're all around you. Would anybody look at you and say to you, sir, that you don't have the right to defend yourself? Well, I mean, if I've done something wrong, I'm... No, the answer is no. I think in a society, that word right might not even exist. Don't even use the word society. Just imagine a bunch of dudes in anarchy.

Yeah, they would probably fight. But would they look at you and be like, you have the right to defend yourself? No, I don't think that word would even enter that lexicon into a mind of barbarians. So, Ian, if you're staying in the middle of the woods and some guy runs up screaming with a pointy stick, would you just go, oh well, guess I'll die?

I'm not saying because these things might I'm not saying that they're not good things. These ideas are great. But the fact that they're given from God. What was your question again? If you're standing in the middle of the woods and a guy's running at you screaming with a stick, would you go I have no right to do that to myself. No, I would jujitsu his ass and put my knee on the back of his neck. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You have no right to do that myself? No, I would jujitsu his ass and put my knee on the back of his neck.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You have no right to do that. Hey, I get to answer your question however I want. Good. You have a right to do that. You have no right to do that. Neither of us have a right. We just did it.

You do have a right to do that. No one would fault you. I have the ability. It's not a right. What is this right? What does it even mean? What do you mean? Bro, you're making semantic arguments that have nothing to do with it.

I'm being very literal. Legal rights? No, we'm being very literal legal rights we're not talking about legal rights we're talking about natural rights natural rights? natural like in other countries they aren't natural that's the point well it's because they're also monotheistic some of them are pagan some of them are different but that doesn't mean they're wrong it just means it's a different

view of what is natural in order to live you must defend yourself if you can't live, you must defend yourself. If you can't live, then you don't exist. You have a right to defend yourself. That's the first most fundamental right that you have. A right is a legal, social, or ethical principle of freedom or entitlement. Ethical.

Rights are fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people according to some legal system social convention or ethical theory rights are of essential importance in such disciplines as law and ethics especially theories of justice and deontology they're different everywhere every country is different every ethic or ethical form back to our original discussion which is that monotheistic gods gave us natural law and natural rights, which gave us the United States of America. That's why it's not universally applicable because there's other countries around the world and other places, other people that don't have the same perception of God and don't have the same perception of life. It's really simple. Again, Ian, you're confusing infringement with existence of rights.

Please clarify that, please. You're arguing that because someone with power would suppress your rights, your rights don't exist. That's not true. No, no. If you are captured in war, you can physically defend yourself from your captors, even though they will beat you and try and stop you. And they will tie your hands behind your back and continue beating you, and you can still resist. You have a right. No, you have the ability to do it.

It doesn't give you the right. That doesn't exist in a POW camp. Yes, it literally does. There are no rights in a POW camp. Yes, there are. You're just there being beaten. You don't understand what a right is. You're confusing infringement.

If you're like, you're violating my human right, my basic human right. They're like, what? Who is this? What is this thing? And they're beating you with a cane. So again, you're talking about the infringement of rights versus the existence they don't understand that person doesn't doesn't it doesn't exist to them so it's like for you to say because i believe it it is real for you too even though you don't understand now if you attack the the the the soldier keeping you there will he defend himself

likely but he has no right to do that no but he has the ability to and probably should preserve his own skin of course he has the right to defend himself he has the i mean okay now we're just talking about rights and abilities i'm talking rights are legal things you do this all the time you make semantic you just said that rights are legal things no natural natural legal social or ethical assumptions rights come from natural law which comes from god and you do this a lot when you lose an argument you make a semantic change to the argument. I don't think there's going to be a winner or loser to this. We're just talking about it.

But rights literally do exist. There's like the golden rule. There are certain rules that transcend all civilizations. Yeah, but the golden rule only works in certain types of civilizations. It doesn't work if everyone's cheating. So there are bad people. There are good people. There are an infringement of rights.

And rights exist regardless of whether someone tries to suppress them. I don't agree with that. I think that rights only exist because we tell ourselves they exist. So, Ian, I think you actually have a point, but I wanted to read to you a little bit about natural law. Because natural law is an idea in, sorry, it's a theory in ethics and philosophy that says that human beings possess intrinsic values that govern our reasoning and behavior. And this is something that is understood to exist in almost every single human civilization. These are overarching ideas. This is like the understanding that murder is wrong. It's like the understanding that marriage is a societal good, not true in every society, but commonly understood in most of them. So this ties

directly into the idea of rights as being something understood, governed by natural law. So you should look at like natural rights as they grow out of natural law. It's something that is over most society, not strictly like we use in our Judeo-Christian society here. I think Jack put it well about what you need to be able to do in order to survive and function, which is a natural right. They've essentially codified that into a structure. A lot of the Ten Commandments is what he was doing. If you follow these, you'll probably survive for a long time, and so will our species. And so then the Americans were like, okay, let's make a government out of that and tell everyone these are like uncorruptible parts of you.

And if we believe that, then they become it. But only because the government by gun forces is commanding that is that able to exist. If you're in the middle of the woods and you're buck naked, you can speak freely, you can move freely, you can defend yourself. No one can stop you. Yeah, but there's no law, though. There's no rights in the government. Bro, the law is to restrict

the government, not people. How many times do we have to say that? You mean the Bill of Rights or the Constitution? But all the laws in America is to restrict, well, not people. How many times do we have to say that? You mean the Bill of Rights or the Constitution? But all the laws in America is to restrict, well, yes, the Bill of Rights, Constitution, the idea of natural law, whatever. This is to restrict the government from infringing upon the rights that you

have innately. That's what they tell you. My argument is that I don't think people innately have any right to anything. We were fortunate to be born into a society where we believe we do. So you're just a total will to power guy. I mean, if we were thrown into the jungle alone, naked, what the hell? There is no natural right.

What are you talking about? We just can survive. Yeah, so you can defend yourself from predators. You can say whatever you want. Not because I have a right to it. It's because I'm doing it. In order to exist as a human being, you have to defend yourself. Yeah, that's for real.

So, Ian. That's what we're talking about. If you don't think the right exists, that means you would just lay down whenever threatened. No. Calling it a law and saying it's like... Who said law? You just said if you don't think the law exists... Oh, I'm sorry.

If you don't think rights exist, then you would just lay down and die whenever you were attacked by a predator. Saying that defending yourself, the act of defending yourself means that you enacted a right, I think, is fallacy. Just because you defend yourself doesn't mean you're enacting any kind of human right. Exerting. You're literally exercising your right when you defend yourself. No, you're defending yourself. I mean, in the United States, you would be exercising your rights. In a country where you're not allowed to defend yourself, like North Korea?

We're done because you're just arguing semantics. Well, we have yet to begin, Tim, because in North Korea, you don't have the right to defend yourself against the North Korean guys. They just beat you and infringe on your rights. There's no rights there. They don't have rights. They don't have human rights. So this is what they're saying. When they say that the rights are given by God, this means that the government should not ever infringe your right to defend yourself.

Ever, ever, ever. This is what the Founding Fathers meant. The Constitution says the government can't do that. But other governments do that. But a human being in any circumstance when threatened has the right to defend itself as does every other creature on the planet when threatened. Just because a bear can hold down the fox and the fox is struggling, doesn't mean the fox doesn't have the right to defend itself. It doesn't

have the right. You don't know what the words mean. Let's just go to Superchats because we defined it. First time long time listener, first time caller. Here's $10. Can I have your attention now? Are you telling me God gave you the power? Yes. You're saying God gave you the power

Jack? Are you kidding me? To defend yourself? Ian. Yeah, you think God did that? There are fundamental base truths that we understand very simply. And what I mean is, obviously, we can get into the nuance and complexities of how glass shatters. But typically, when you throw a rock at a window, it breaks. There's nuance there.

I understand that. Typically, a bear, when hungry, will eat something to feed itself. There are basic things we understand to be true. There are rules as to how they define what life is, and there are basic functions as to how that life propagates. In fact, there are some plants that defend themselves. Because if you have no right to self-defense, meaning a fundamental entitlement to your ability to stay alive, then you would cease to exist because your lineage, your DNA would just collapse. Meaning everything that exists today exists because it had a right to survival.

No, that's not what we didn't have rights before. You know, we invented them. Things survived and propagated because you're talking about like paramecium in the tide pool. They didn't have rights. They didn't have a basic paramecium rights. They just survived. The ones that ate the food survived and the ones that didn't didn't. So the point is arising from the fact that everything that survived fought for survival.

We recognize a fundamental naturally occurring entitlement existing within life forms to try to stay alive. Right? No. That's so circuitous. A natural entitlement to try to survive. This is what you're doing. What are you talking about? A natural entitlement to try to survive.

No. Because you don't know what the words mean. You have to try to survive. That's it. You're not entitled to it. Good to see some things never change around here. Nothing's changed yet. Ian, we're going to go to super chats.

Yes, we are. But if you can't agree on a definition of a word, That's the point. We can't agree on the definition. We've got to agree on the definition first. Because you're making it up and I just read it to you.

Well, you gave me like a long three-part definition, firstly. Because you don't, Ian, if you're not smart enough to know words and I can't even read you the definition, how do we have a conversation?

Look, everybody, firstly, everybody can make mistakes. You made a mistake earlier when you said a word that wasn't the right word. And we haven't even yet to agree on what this word means. I'm going to end this conversation very simply. Jack and I say, here's a right.

You say rights don't exist. I say, okay, Ian, let's try and figure out what rights means. Here's the definition of a right. And you say, well, that's wrong, and I refuse to accept. Okay, you don't want to be wrong. That's not what happened. And you just told me the definition was too long. No, I didn't say rights don't exist.

I said that the idea that God gives you basic intrinsic rights is idiotic. It's fantasy. And that's why people are erupting against it right now. Because you don't know what the word means. A right. It's a bait. A fundamental, natural rights. A fundamental, naturally occurring entitlement intrinsic within life.

This is something you just created. I literally just read it to you. But you just said that it had to do with ethics. You said the word ethics wasn't your definition. It said rights exist very prominently within legal and ethical theories. And another one. Ethical, social, and legal theories, I think. This is some of the best whiskey I have ever had.

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I'm glad you're here. If you really enjoyed all that, smash the like button, subscribe, because we're going to have a member segment coming up later, but we should read Super Chats because we went long. Oh, boy. All right. Let's see. Let's see.

Where are we at? Ian making me cross-link. You guys ready for an even more contentious argument? Oh, boy. All right. Let's see. Let's see. Where are we at? Ian making me cross-linked. You guys ready for an even more contentious argument? Oh, God. Here we go. The Loopworm Gamer says, on one of your earlier segments, you said, women shouldn't be forced by anyone to carry another human being because of their freedom, not morality. But doesn't any parent have the obligation to stop their child from dying in their care?

Yes. The issue of pro-life versus pro-choice is very, very difficult, and there is no middle ground. There's literally none. You're dealing with two independent life forms that have fundamental rights, and the problem is,

where does the government intervene? But I will say this. The point I was making is, I'm worried about setting precedent for the government to decide when they're allowed to intervene in someone's medical decisions, and when that person is required to provide their own body to someone else. It's very, very difficult to parse this because there's a baby that's alive that I

believe life begins at conception. But I will just say something very simple. It's okay because if you're pro-life, we can actually have a discussion on how we compromise on this and I being pro-choice. As CBS News described it, the left is pro-abortion. No joke. CBS News said the pro-abortion groups, they're not talking about choice. They're talking about people who quite literally say you have no right to choose your medication when it comes to vaccine mandates, but the government should absolutely have an open door on all abortions up until the point of birth in some places. No joke. In Virginia, for instance, that's where they were pushing that. So if we're going to sit here and discuss like, OK, we think abortion is wrong, but

there's a fundamental question of government intervention. OK, that I think we can really disagree on. But then you have this other group that's so far left, I need binoculars to see them saying outright, you have no choice. You have no right to medical autonomy. If the government mandates you get medicated, you go and do it and shut up and by all means terminate your pregnancy. That's not choice. Just pro-abortion.

Heavy, heavy, heavy. I have grown to become pro-life over time. I have been presented – well, I'm not going to say that personal stuff. Let's just say I came to understand that my personal position was pro-life through experience. So what does that mean? Here's one of the biggest challenges with the pro-life and pro-choice stuff is – What does it mean? It means – I hope my kids aren't watching.

They are. It means that there was a time in my life where that came up as an option. And my heart said, absolutely not, no way, period. And I've come to understand that it's separate DNA. It's a separate human. It's a beating heart, man. That's true. You think it's a human before it has a brain?

How can it be not a human if it's got DNA and a beating heart and it evolves into life? It is a human being in a various stage of development. That's it. Well, it's a brain how can it be not a human if it's got dna and a beating heart and it evolves into life it is a human being in a various stage of development that's it well it's a zygote i am changing every day the fetus changes the zygote changes it's all on the same continuum from conception into death so this is what i said this is what we lost uh in the argument there was a time where the left or the liberals in this country were safe, legal, and rare. It's between the person and their doctor. The government shouldn't be intervening. And I'm like, I understand all that. And I grew up with Democrat families saying, you know, abortion is really a truly despicable and awful thing. The problem is there are certain

circumstances that are humiliating, embarrassing, life-altering, and a doctor and the mother might have to make that very difficult choice. But of course, my dad would say, abortion just because for no reason, just no, that's absolutely wrong. It shouldn't be done that way. And so that's where Chicago Democrat was, you know. Now I find myself much more closer to what's considered pro-life only because, you can call it close, relatively to the pro-abortion crowd who come out on their TV shows yelling, everybody get abortions! And they wear shirts celebrating it. Lena Dunham saying she

wished she had one. That is a whole level of depravity. Wait, she said she wished she had one even though she doesn't have any kids? She wishes she just had gone through the experience of having an abortion? Yeah. Disgusting. Look, while you're bringing that up, let me just point out the fact that Feminist... Time.com. Lena Dunham said she wishes she had an abortion. Just want to make Yeah. Disgusting. I think there's a confusion as to what it means to be pro-life versus pro-choice because there's no real pro-choice movement anymore.

You have pro-abortion people and you have pro-life people. And the pro-choice people, safe, legal, and rare, my issue is there are circumstances in which the baby could die, is dead, is at serious risk, that could put the mother at risk. There are many, many medical complications, and they may be rare. In which case I'm like, man, I don't want the government to file paperwork on this stuff and give my private medical history. And man, having the government involved in that. The problem, though, is that I recognize 99 point whatever of abortions are listed as no reason at all, meaning they're typically just contraception, which is abhorrent.

So two points. One, feminists in the 60s clearly stated that they wanted to destroy the concept of maternity. They clearly stated they wanted to destroy the concept of motherhood. They clearly stated they wanted to destroy the concept of family. Okay? So that's baked into this ideology is destroy the concept of motherhood. Second, I saw just today a doctor, a pro-abortion doctor say, oh my God, guys, we have to react. Here's what we have to do now that there's this crazy abortion law in Texas.

Here's what you have to do. You have to, one, get on contraceptive right away. IUDs, condoms, birth control pill, use all of them. Get on contraception right away. Second, get pregnancy tests and test yourself regularly. Third, track your period, whatever, whatever. And in her clear explanation of all the things that you should do, it became obvious to me that her ilk and her people and the people she was talking to were clearly using abortion as contraception. Because she hadn't been saying all along, get on a contraception, get an IUD, use a birth control pill, and use a condom, and pregnancy test yourself all the time as a way, and not only like, hey, let's maybe not have sex with everybody.

But the idea was she had to replace the contraceptive tool of abortion with contraception. All right. That's absurd. It's a crazy idea that someone would rather go to a clinic for abortion than just use birth control or a condom or something. Just get an IUD. I mean, look, I don't want to promote promiscuity amongst our young people but there is some valid validity to the argument that like every kid should be given an iud and an hpv vax at age 14 exactly let's read some more super chats we got camel of the mojave he says just remember if you're about to cough in

public you need to fart to hide the sound so they don't send out a warrant for your arrest i have a question for this gentleman i have a warrant for your arrest. That must be an Australian. I have a question for this gentleman. I have a question for this gentleman. If I'm wearing a mask on a plane and I have to sneeze, do I pull down the mask and sneeze into my napkin or do I sneeze into my mask and live with that for the rest of the flight? That's my question. You take the mask back, you aim up and you go into the air.

Request the stewardess first. I think you got to pull it up and sneeze on the napkin. the stewardess first i think you gotta you gotta pull it up and sneeze on the napkin that's all otherwise that's just like viral love yeah all right so lay cucumber line says i'm against impeachment biden is an even better advertisement for republicans than the black lives matter riots and defund the police true i got money from government to pay myself and i bought hex crypto which is uh congratulations this is not financial advice no but i tried you know i don't like it when people are like trying to pump their crypto but the first part of that was good nice that's uh that that's what i said well people super chat

being like hey tim this is the best crypto buy the crypto now because i think they're trying to pump it yeah but uh it's a good point i mentioned earlier like maybe republicans just want to sit back and let biden keep slipping on banana peels because it's going to make the 2020 2022 midterms just it's true but it does make them look feckless okay it makes them look weak it makes them look uh impotent okay and tens of thousands of humans are left behind in afghanistan because of it too indeed indeed but it's like i mean look kamala harris is impeachment proofness, impeachment immunity for Joe Biden. Anything Joe Biden is doing now would be made worse by a Kamala Harris presidency. I don't think so.

I don't think I think he's he's unfit. Yeah, but dangerous. But he's unfit through his mental incapacity as well as his ideology. She is mental. She's unfit because she's a psychopath. Yeah, she's authoritarian. I think Biden's psychopath she's a psychopath. Yeah, she's an authoritarian police officer. I think Biden's a psychopath too, though. They're both bad, you know?

But he's a psychopath in the sense that he's not rooted in any moral system. If you listen to the things that he said in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, whatever, that dude was a straight up and down racist. Yeah, I guess a jerk. No question about it. Like, I don a jerk. No question about it. Like, I don't want my kids in a racial jungle was his statement against integration in the

schools. Yeah, he's a bad person. He's a bad person. And you know what's interesting, though, is I will listen to him in the 80s and the 90s and I'll be like, he's a bad guy, but he's kind of witty. He was sharp. He was. He was obviously present.

He is so obviously not present now. Oh, yeah. And the stutter thing is all fake news. You're right. 2024 should be if they just... Look, I guess it depends on if they rerun him, right? Are they going to rerun him? Are they going to primary a sitting president?

That is, like, for real, though? Right. So if they rerun him in 2024, it should be the easiest victory that's ever been had. Ever. I think even if it's Kamala, it'll be a cakewalk for... Oh, that's good. That's exciting to think about. That's exciting. If we can get there.

If we can get there as a nation. Alright, let's read some more. We got Krepsy K. He says, Tim, can I get a shout-out? A channel shout-out. I made some great jalapeno mango jam recently. You said you won't eat food that is sent in, but what if it was made on video? We don't always agree, but I respect that you try

and cover the facts. People send us food. I don't eat it. Just give it to Ian first. I used to eat it. Times have changed. We get a lot of food sent to us. So does local businesses. And I'm like, you can't really expect me to eat something I got in the mail. You know what I mean?

Random. Yeah, I don't know what this is or where it came from. Probably someone could dump it in a box and be like it's chocolate and i'm like i'm going anywhere near it right i think we should i think you should hire some interns and let the interns test it and then we can all try this delicious jalapeno ham also i i never open boxes the same way either how come oh in case there's something jumps out like a snake or something weird stuff in it you know never know. We got security protocols. We take operational security very seriously.

To the next level since I've been gone, by the way, in the last six or eight weeks. This is a very important one. There's forms and documents. We got to do real creative ways of opening boxes, like swing it down on a rope and it hits the saw and cuts it open as it swings by. Just perfectly the side so that we can see what's inside. All right. John Kristen says, glad to have the real Jack

back instead of that knock-off Poso guy. Oh, snap! That's one of my very, very good friends, Jack Posobiec. We just had a wonderful weekend with him and his wife at the Will Chamberlain's wedding with Jordan Lancaster. We had a great time out there in the Smoky Mountains. I love Jack Posobiec.

Would love to do a Jack and Jack episode here. When can we get that? We can make that happen. Jack, you can ride with me. There you go. Until we get to the border. The sheriff's after me for what I... Matrix says, Tim, Titan, Hunter, or Warlock? I'm partial to my Hunter, but the Titans in Destiny have the best butts.

The first character I made was a Warlock because I thought the Warlocks were Hunters and then I leveled up a Warlock and I was like, I guess I'm playing the Warlock. And i was like i gotta make a hunter because hunters are better because hunters can be invisible so oh can they in the game i used to play a hunter could heal himself in the field that was always really good and come up with some rations in the field that was always a big deal yeah they do massive damage from the titan titan was my least favorite to be honest uh hunter is the best because they have the you know they have the

stealth and i play rogue in warcraft as well but i i like the support functions of the warlock and destiny if anybody out there played a game called tele arena send me a dm on twitter that was the best game ever ever nor right you're in a cave nathan o'connell says tim i told you about the sailor that burnt down that ship there have been two bomb threats on the uss nimitz in the last three days could be contractors, sailors, or government workers, all with a security clearance. Morale in the military at all-time lows.

Here's one. William Martin says, Hey gang, have you ever heard of the Battle of Athens in Tennessee? A certain bearded Scottish count made a video about it. It's an amazing tale of election fortification in the Second Amendment. Yes, famous. You guys know the story? I've heard of it. I don't know tale of election fortification in the Second Amendment. Yes. Famous.

You guys know the story. I've heard of it. I don't know the story. Guys came back from World War II. They found that corrupt local officials had seized government and they took the city over and had a new election. They fixed it.

Oh. Well, legitimized it and then after that it just kept going? They didn't send in the feds or anything to break it up? I don't remember.

Scroats Magoat says, Tim, you are now on the wrong side of the E4 mafia. Why? I said they probably know more about this than we do. I was complimenting them. Scroats Magoat. Wayne Kerr. Is there a Mr. Wayne Kerr here?

Eileen Dover. I love Don Kedick. Don Kedick. Wayne Kerr. Wayne Ker Dick. Wayne Kerr. Wayne Kerr. Wayne Kerr. This is a great video they're talking about. You guys got to see it.

It's on Twitter. I don't know if it's real. I think it is real. Yeah, it's real. It struck me. Someone got like a council member to give him a bunch of fake names. He's Bart Simpson, this council member. So good.

Mr. Kerr. Mr. Wayne Kerr here mr it's still funny because you know i'm mature like all right isaiah shalavola says yo what's the email for account problems every time i log in the site immediately logs me out that happened to me last members at timcast.com and there yeah i think it's a database thing which we i should be fixed most people, but happens from time to time. Yeah, look, we actually have a really excellent development team. They're some of the best, and the site, I think, is fantastic. But, man, bugs happen, I guess. We try our best.

When you build a tech company, you have like a five-to-one support to found. So we have people that literally just sit there waiting for emails to come in are constantly answering them of course if it's like midnight people are asleep you know but maybe we'll hire some you know some late night people to just sit at the emails and make sure we get everybody on time i think that's a good idea all right ronan jack says unfortunately i believe biden should be kept in hear me out everyone who didn't vote or voted for him need their eyes held up and take in the horrors and learn their lesson the right will not be there to shield them from themselves that's a good point do it omg puppy says the shah of iran was a constitutional monarch and he legally

disbanded the parliament when they elected a communist prime minister there is a counter narrative to cia plot and both are probably true. You get your answer. Yeah, don't let a good problem go to waste. They'll swoop in and get what they can out of it. All right. Brown Bear 992 says, Tim, you said the only way the withdrawal could have been worse is if we bombed a bunch of civilians. That's exactly what they did.

Biden droned a bunch of kids on the way out just a few days ago. I know. Yep. I meant like if they decided to escalate the war with the Taliban and just start bombing cities like relentlessly. In this instance, they were going after ISIS and they're talking about working with the Taliban. So, you know.

Yeah. Bad. Very bad. All right. Michael Calavota says, it seems this falls into the Great Reset. Do you agree or disagree what do you think is the next domino i have no idea um i'll tell you this over the past month i've been going to the supermarket because i need cream for my coffee oh yeah and i use real cream i don't use any of that bogus half and half garbage or you know i do have the international delight stuff

you just a little bit uh hasn't been there store's been all out of all of it and that's weird to me like local farm town yeah but it's a supermarket so i'm like i guess we got to go to a local farm i need to find a dairy farm and find some cream because they don't have it they have the fake stuff they have cheese gross yeah i'm not the cheese the fake stuff yeah yeah like the real stuff i've been doing i've been doing keto, actually. A lot of fat, a lot of avocados and whipped cream. Gotta take your vitamins. Oh, it's so good for you.

Burn that sugar. Yeah, this guy's statement that it might be part of the Great Reset, I wonder. I wonder if this whole military industrial complex is part of that. Is Aaron up? Says, hey, Tim, I pitched my woo to Sydney today, and I like my odds. Wish me luck. I'll keep you and Lydia posted. Yes.

There you go. You can do it. Good luck. Alright. Pitching woo. That's a silly term. Mike Sullivan says, great seeing Jack back. I noticed there is a jump to say Bush went to Iraq because of his father's history with them. In February 93, multiple Iraqis tried to topple the World Trade Center

with a car bomb. Also, the attack on the USS Cole was tracked back to... I don't know what that word is because we have a filter thing for websites. Assad? Oh, maybe. No, I don't know. Darn it. I don't know.

I don't think they were really trying to topple the trade centers with that bomb. Well, they put the truck up to the center column. So, yeah. Oh, wow. In the basement, they up to the center column so yeah oh wow in the basement they went to center column the world trade center was definitely like an attraction point for terror multiple times yeah it's like a symbol of capitalism in a lot of ways all right adam horridge says conservatives understand individualism in group demonstrations

they don't recognize both need to be used to change institutions, and we need to start with universities. Somebody tweeted at me that I won't criticize conservatives or whatever, and I'm like, I mean, I guess it depends on what you mean because Trump supporters aren't the same as like the neocons, which I rag on all the time.

I'm like Mitch McConnell and Z Grammar awful, but you know, everybody on the right makes one of them. But it's also like, dude, when a pro-lifer conservative comes to me and says, I'm pro-life and here's why I go, oh, I understand those arguments. They make sense. I disagree on some ethical issues.

Here's why I disagree. The left comes out and says, we're for choice. They're taking away the choice of women. And I'm like, yeah, New York, you mean with the vaccines? No, no, no, no, no. That we're okay with. And then I'm like, so you're not actually arguing anything to me. You're just basically saying, give me power when I want power.

Correct. What am I supposed to criticize the right for? Disagree disagreeing with me i'm not criticizing someone for having a different opinion we just disagree that's the problem i face with them when they're like choice except for that one they don't want choice they're pro-abortion that's why it's the most frustrating thing to argue with any of these people because they have no principle there's no principle. There's no principle. Tap dancing on quicksand. Exactly. Camel of the Mojave back again says, society doesn't run off of virtue. It runs off of self-interest.

You ignore basic human nature. It's why communism fails. It's why individualists need others. It's why absolutists have to accept dealing with people with different morals. Interesting. And it's why we're having so much problems here, even though we have a constitution that says that we shouldn't be. Interesting. And it's why we're having so much problems here, even though we have a constitution that says that we shouldn't be.

Alright. Nevermore says, yo, Tim, you mentioned you played Destiny a few times. If you ever want to raid, I'm down to help. You know, I haven't really, I used to play way more. Adam and I used to play all the time. Wasted way too much time playing Destiny. Man, Vault of Glass was so much fun.

I love when you throw the solar grenade and then make him walk off the edge because the game was busted and they fixed it took away all the fun but uh you know i played the latest one a little bit and i've done a few missions so far yeah we'll see destiny 2 yeah destiny 2 it is it is a well-made game you the problem with it is it's a really really good first person shooter the class system i think they've really worked it it's really It's a great system. The balance between the different types. PVP is fun. But man, is the story just like written by a seven-year-old.

Interesting. It's like a seven-year-old who wanted to make Star Wars. And so they wrote up this really trash fan fiction of Star Wars. Have you seen that show on HBO, Mythic Quest? No. Is it good? Or maybe it's on Apple. Yeah, it's about a game development company.

And it's about the guy that develops the game. It's one of the guys from Always Sunny. Oh, is it good? Or maybe it's on Apple. Yeah, it's about a game development company. And it's about the guy that develops the game. It's one of the guys from Always Sunny. Oh, very cool. It's super high quality. It's very high quality. It's really fun and interesting to see the back side of game development. And there's the head of monetization. And they're like, we developed this shovel.

And how are we going to make money off this shovel? I mean, it's just really interesting to see how the games get made in the sausage mythic quest. It looks like a lot of them. Charlie Day's involved, Rob McEnany, and he's the lead. It's super funny. It's super funny and a good show. All right, let's see. Theodore Abate, is that how you pronounce it?

Or Abate? Abbott? Ian, natural law can best be explained by Socrates versus Henry David Thoreau. I encourage you to read their arguments. I think you're mistaken on this issue, but I appreciate your honesty. Thanks, man. I saw their debate on YouTube the other day.

It was lit. Socrates and Thoreau? Yeah. What a world, man. If we could do that somehow. You think that we can reanimate Jesus and have him debate Einstein? You can, dude.

Just read the books. No, it's not the same. Yes. Sounds like a lot of same. They engage in the same questions over time. This is the beauty of philosophy. The books have deep things. The beauty of philosophy is that the questions have been the same since the beginning of time.

And if you can get yourself up to speed on what all the other thinkers have thought, you can engage in the same conversation that's been going on for 3,000 years. I notice you've been delving into the Bible. It seems like you've... The Bible, the ancients, Aristotle, Plato. I've been reading all of it very deeply.

And it's changed a lot of the ways that I see the world. Mason Whaling says, so frustrating. Listen to y'all pump the same mid-2000s edgy teenager anti-war talking points. It's much more intricate than you think. Read more. Signed a lowly E4.

Remember the 13. Absolutely remember the 13. Thank you for your service. And I disagree. I don't think we have edgy teenage anti-war talking points. I think they're fundamentally ethical questions that we ask ourselves about why we go into these countries at all. And I'll tell you this, we've absolutely entertained all of the nuance here. We've had people on the show who talk about how we need to maintain some force to prevent the country from falling into a complete disaster. It's a mess that we created that we're responsible for.

And I look at what's happening in Afghanistan and I'm like, it really is sad. There could have been stability. There could have been stores and happiness and some values that we do like. But we are not Afghanistan. It's not about edgy teenage talking points. It's about being an adult and saying, you're supposed to be responsible for yourself. You're not supposed to aggress on other people. And you're supposed to mind your own business. And there's also the fundamental understanding of China's expansion, other countries expanding,

why we want to occupy the strategic location in the first place, what it would lead to if we leave. But there's one big issue I think here. I've often talked about, you know, in 2016, for instance, I said, if you like the status quo, vote for Hillary Clinton. You'll get all the exact same stuff, the war, the conflict, the crisis, the market manipulations, all that. If you want change, then you've got to, I guess, vote for Trump because he's something

that's totally crazy. And for me, I didn't vote. But the issue is, I guess it's utilitarianism versus deontological thinking, or there's probably some other moral issues here. The people who are like,

I'm willing to violate the rights of others for some justifiable ends. But there is no ends. There's never an end. We aren't going to reach the end goal of like defeating China and say, okay, the mission's over. And we can all sit back and just rest easy

now that we've won because there's never going to be a conflict. No, there's always going to be conflict. You know, which I can give you a really easy example of how to understand this. It's like a TV show. Name any TV show where there's like a protagonist and antagonist. And then when they finally overcome and defeat the antagonist, a new villain emerges. Oh, just by coincidence, you know, like in Stargate, for instance, they defeat the Goa'uld and then also in the Ori show up. You can use any show, for instance, where new villains arise. So there's always a power vacuum. There's always conflict. Do we decide that we are going to have the ends justify the means and then do really, really awful thing, oppressing people and causing war, conflict, death, hundreds

of thousands of civilian casualties because of some nebulous and vague utopian ideal of what we're supposed to accomplish. No, I think no, we can't because the journey is where we are. So we have to make the journey what we're going to be. The edgy teenage angst thing is like, war's bad, period, done. Yeah, Bush is

Hitler and war is dumb and it's like, my thing is like imagine what we could have done with that $2 trillion if we put into an Alaska. You know, we had Jack and Daniel on and we were like, imagine if we occupied the nation building in Alaska. Our own country. We could have infrastructure. We should have bought Greenland. Imagine if we bought Bitcoin with $2 trillion in 2011. We'd have like $8 trillion and we'd be able to pay off our debt.

The market cap was like substantially less than that. Yeah, imagine if instead of wasting money being like we're going to colonize and build this other country. We're going to create a new currency. How about that? Could you imagine if they spent all that money building a massive city in Alaska that made Alaska actually have industry and stuff like that? That'd be so cool. They don't want to do it. Anyway, my friends, smash that like button. They don't want to do it. Anyway,

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She trims it. She's taking ownership of the beard. But that does not dye. This is not dyed. This is all natural. I ask people, the people are like,

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It's incredible. Me neither. It's amazing. I love it. I hate it. Did you want it when you were a kid? No, I had no idea. I've never seen anything like it. It's incredible. Me neither. I love it. I hate it. Did you want it when you were a kid? No, I had no idea.

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