Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #365 - Students REFUSE To Wear Masks, Stage School Walk Out w/Daniel Turner And Chris Karr

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join friend and founder of Power The Future Daniel Turner and executive editor of Timcast.com news Chris Karr to discuss the Colorado high school and middle school students who stood up to the mask mandates at their schools, the recent good news regarding Covid immunity for as many as 80% of people, how leftists really feel about Joe Rogan successfully recovering from Covid, and the Supreme Court justices who are lambasting their colleagues for not dropping the hammer on the Texas abortion law. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to shout out to Steve Bannon again, because he told us a couple months ago that come August 15th, when these parents see what these schools are doing to their kids, man, it's going to be crazy. We had Bannon back recently, and he said it was actually crazier than he thought, because all these parents are rising up everywhere. There's protests everywhere. And it's not even just about the schools, though. We're also seeing in basically every city protest against vaccine mandates in the workplace,

medical professionals doing the same thing. And now we're seeing something that I didn't even expect, to be honest, students walking out of school, refusing to wear masks. So I think there's good signs here. And, you know, there's you can have your opinion on the mask thing and all that. But I think, you know, students saying, here's what we're accepting. Here's what we're not accepting and standing up and speaking out on their own behalf. It's a good thing, but I will add, you know, there's been a many, many instances of student protests where the students typically just like repeat talking points that the adults have said. So we'll read into the story and we'll see what these, these, these young high school students have to say about this stuff. And then

we have other really, really big news, which I got to be honest, probably should have been the lead, but I decided not to go with it. And it's that CNN is reporting. And I kid you not, according to a CDC survey, 80% of people surveyed above the age of 16 have immunity. Now that's massive. And this is, I have a CNN article. It is CNN of all outlets saying this. And according to Forbes one week ago, herd immunity is acquired at 60 to 70%.

So I'm not definitively stating that we are at that point because there's probably some nuance in here, but big, big news. And we will get into all this as well as a lot of story about Texas and the Supreme Court rulings and some of the crazy stuff that's going on down there. We got Jay Leno capitulating to cancel culture saying either join or die, which is creepy. So we'll jump into that. We got a couple people hanging out with us today. We got Daniel Turner and Chris Carr, but you want to introduce yourself?

Yeah, Daniel Turner, Power of the Future is my organization, energy, environmental issues, but just love to talk about all stuff in general, and it's always good to be on, so thanks for having me. Absolutely, man. We got Chris, who is? The executive editor at TimCast.com. We have an amazing team of awesome rock star journalists who are covering the issues daily and hourly. Obviously, I'm backed by popular demand, so thank you for that.

People took to the streets. They said, Chris Carr or nothing. You gave them Chris Carr, so I'm thrilled to be here once again. It was just supposed to be Daniel, but then people are outside with signs. What do we do? You've got to appeal to the mob. You've got to push them back.

Oh, I'm here too. Hey, what's up guys? Glad to see you. Good to have you back. Let's talk chickens. What's wrong and roll? We're going deep on chickens. We are going to have to talk about chickens for sure. Maybe sticking our fingers in cows' mouths. No. I guess that's a new thing.

Don't bring it back up. Don't go. I hear it's quite lovely. Apparently. It's good. Ian said it felt good. Yeah, yeah. Hey, before we get started, we've got a couple things.

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I'm a big fan. I am involved to a certain degree. So we bounce down there periodically. That's like I said, we filmed a vlog there with the guns and stuff. And if that's if you've seen like you fit the bill, hit them up. They're looking for help and wanted to shout them out. But that being said, let's jump over to the first story we got here after you smash the like button, of course. High school kids in Colorado walk out of multiple schools after refusing to comply with mask mandates. And here we can see one kid holding up a sign that says, my body, my choice. Interesting how that one works. This story from Cassandra Fairbanks. Dozens of high school kids walked out of Denver area schools on Thursday after refusing to comply with a mask mandate imposed on them. The Thunder Ridge High School students held signs saying, my body, my choice, and told

reporters that those who are scared of the virus should stay home after walking out of class around 930 a.m. They were joined by nearby middle school students and their parents. Students from Legend High School in Douglas County also held a protest against the mandate. Here we have a bunch of videos of people walking out. The Tri-County Health Department announced earlier this week to require all students to wear masks, even those who have been vaccinated. The local CBS affiliate reports that they also prevented individual counties from opting out of public health orders. The order took effect on September 1st and is expected to remain in place for the entire school year.

Now, here's what here's what they have to say. Quote, I believe that masks there they've been going on. They've been going for mostly two years now. This is OK. I believe that masks they've been going for mostly two years now. This is going to be the third year of my high school career that's compromised. I want a normal high school career there. If you are scared, you could stay home, said student Austin Knapp as they rallied.

These people agree with me. They hate masks and I do do too, said another student. The Denver Channel reports that Thunder Ridge high school students were joined by Ranch View middle school students and their parents. Quote, there's enough parents and there's enough scientific data to show otherwise. This is just not a necessary option that they have to take. And there are enough students that feel the same way, said parent Amy Ellis. Now, I actually don't know all the data.

You know why? It's changed so much. I honestly have no idea. I know there were some studies saying they found limited efficacy. There were some studies saying the real problem was being indoors because of recirculated air. And there was recently a study that said, yes, actually masks did reduce transmission.

So I can't give anybody advice on this stuff because everybody claims to have the science, and I don't know. But I can tell you this. When Bannon said parents would be, and I don't know. But I can tell you this. When Bannon said parents would be mad, I don't know if he expected the kids to get mad, too, and the kids to come out. But if the parents and the kids, and this is just one location, it's cause for optimism. We've got to get some good news. And this is the first time in the history of civilization that we have a plague or a pandemic that seems to exempt children miraculously right the bubonic plague didn't do that black death sars other other illnesses sort of hit the population

equally this this for some bizarre reason has not affected kids and yet we're punishing kids like we are are we're treating them like they are as susceptible as adults. And it does seem bizarre. It also doesn't seem to hit people without comorbidities, which is very strange. There are kids who have died. Absolutely. But the number is very, very small relative to the highest risk factor is over 40. And so if you look at the CDC data, it drops down significantly. I think obesity was a huge factor.

The CDC says around a third of all hospitalizations are obese. What I want to know is at what point do you have COVID and then be considered infected with COVID? Because the virus can be there not hurting you at all. And then are you considered infected at that point? Yes. Semantically, you're infected, right? So there's actually a lot of viruses people have all the time, but they're asymptomatic. I was reading about – I was covering the was covering the uh the ebola outbreak years

ago and zika and stuff that's why i actually interviewed people at the cdc and it was really cool actually they explained how ebola is a is a terrible virus not because it's like physically terrible and people are like but because it's so aggressive that it becomes so presentable that it stops its ability to transmit they said good viruses are the ones you have every day that don't make you sick because they've successfully infected you without triggering your body's immune response, and they're not killing you so they can perpetuate. So COVID's getting more intelligent as it's evolving to Delta, which is less lethal. Intelligent isn't the right word.

Or less lethal, but more infective, I think, Delta is. That's the general trajectory of viruses as far as i understand it at least it's yeah maybe intelligent is the right word but that is a good point basically the virus is becoming more successful right it's more transmissible and less deadly which means more people are going to get it they're they're going to experience severe symptoms to a lesser degree but they're going to get sick with it and that's that's basically the cdc was saying to me that there's a lot of viruses that don't cause enough damage to harm you, so the virus goes on forever and spreads around like crazy.

But COVID in its earlier stages was a bad virus. It was bad for its own propagation. And I can understand where these kids are coming from, because when you are 15, 16, your window of experience is very few years, right? So every minute that is lost feels like an eternity, like being a kid waiting for Christmas morning was forever, right? If you've gone through all of your, the second half of freshman year, all of your sophomore

year, now you're beginning junior year and you can't play a sport, you can't go to a dance, you're still, I too would feel like I am losing these very few precious high school years, and I'm stuck in a bubble. I can see them being protesting. Just the other day, I looked at my watch, and I'm like, it's September already. I'm like, what's going on? I'm old, you know, so 35. Oof.

Oof. I know. Yeah, 35, man. Do you still, even though we're old, do you still get nervous when you see back-to-school commercials? I saw one the other day on TV, and, like, my heart skipped a still, even though we're old, do you still get nervous when you see back-to-school commercials? I saw one the other day on TV, and my heart skipped a beat, like back to school,

and I'm like, I haven't been in school in 30 years. And I was like, oh my God, back to school. I got so uncomfortable. 30 years?

Oh yeah, I'm old. Really? Yeah. Are you going to say how old you are? We established this last time I was here. I am 11 years older than you.

Holy moly. So you haven't been in school for 30 years? Oh, I guess 20-something years. Okay, because I was like, what are you, 50? No, yeah. It feels like 30. It feels like 30, yeah.

The one comment that really stuck out to me in that article is, if you're scared, you can stay home. I thought that was a really interesting point because I heard a family member recently say, they were explaining some of their hesitancies to go out and experience life, and they said, every time I go out i have to be i have to be worried about what's going to happen to me and that just struck me so counterintuitive and this kid's hit on something that's really vital is just like if you're scared then you can stay home that's that's on you well we've we've inverted the script you know now it's like if you're scared

you're hurting other people and we should should be allowed to go around being scared. I mean, who didn't see this coming? We had stories from seven years ago about the foofy neon safe spaces they're putting in colleges where if you were triggered by a lecture, you could go inside and sit in a beanbag and hug a plushie. You think I'm kidding? This is real. They were like pastel colors,

and then you could go to therapy, and they'd be like, remember that video where it's Nicholas Christakis, I think his name is. And I think this is the incident where the woman says college is not about fostering intellectual conversation. It's about creating a home and a family and a safe community or something like that. And it's like, no, it isn't. I remember that. It's not what college is.

Yeah. And that started as the therapy dog during midterms because you needed comfort. We're at the point now, although that probably doesn't happen because of COVID, but we're at the point now it's like Ben Shapiro is coming to campus. Well, we have to shut it down. And people will say, real college students, college students, how embarrassing. College students will say, like, I am afraid knowing he's on campus. It's like, well, dude, then you need to just live in a closet the rest of your life.

Like if Ben Shapiro, four miles down the road at like whatever hall giving a talk to the YAF kids has you literally afraid, then just you should end it right now because you're never going to survive in this world.

Isn't Ben like 5'8"? Yeah, he's tiny. I'm not trying to be mean. He's not a very intimidating guy. But to be fair, he speaks very fast. He does speak very fast. So if that triggers you, then I understand.

And what triggers is that he will probably outwit everyone in the room five times over because he is just very damn smart. Oh, those videos of him owning people? Oh, gosh. He's so quick. That's what they're scared of. Exactly. I've got to say, when I saw Ben on Real Time, I was impressed.

Oh, yeah. He's calmer than he used to be, too. But then when we were in college, I only did two years of college. I didn't graduate. I'm a college dropout. When I was in college that short time, we had Noam Chomsky come to school. We had communists

come and lecture. None of us were like, I'm so afraid knowing that this person is here. It's just like, oh, you don't want to. I'm not going to go to that lecture. Yeah, I think that what they're really saying is that they're triggered by him being there. Like, they're not really afraid for their life. I don't think so. Anyway, I hope not.

Do you know what triggered actually means? Do you know what afraid really means? Do you guys understand what, like, a trigger actually is? It's a real term. When someone has post-traumatic stress disorder, or whatever you want to call it. George Collins has a great bit on this show. I think they got rid of the disorder part of it now. Oh, PTSD.

So you go to war, and you hear a bang in the middle of the night. You wake up. You're like, what's happening? And you experience that for a long period of time. Then you see your friends die. And then all of a sudden, you're back in the United States, and a car backfires. And you break down. You start sweating, and your heart's beating like crazy. That's a trigger. And you need of a sudden you're back in the United States and a car backfires and you break down. You start sweating and your heart's beating like crazy.

That's a trigger. A trigger for – and you need someone to help you through that. So come back. Like we're not in the conflict anymore. So it's – We've bastardized that now too. Just things I find discomforting are now a trigger. I mean even the rights memefied it.

You're like, oh, the left got so triggered by this. Do you think that Ben and others like him are like triggering people, like making them feel like they're in second grade again and it's that kid that just keeps talking to them and either making fun of them or saying mean things to them and then they feel that when they see Ben because he's so like poignant, like straight through you?

Well, it's funny that you say that because I did have something I wanted to interject that's not exactly on topic, but I spoke with a military veteran who, he's 90 now, but he spent 30 years working with veterans that had PTSD. And he had no data, but he had anecdotal evidence. When I spoke to him, he said, Chris, 90% of these veterans that have genuine PTSD, it didn't come from the war. It came from their childhood.

Really? In his practice. Wow. And that's what I said. I'd never heard anything like that. But in the 30 years that he worked with these veterans, he was just like, it's what happened, according to him, is that these kids had PTSD in childhood

because of traumatic situations they were in. And the war just blew it up. You know? And they never got back. I've not been in like hardcore, full-scale warfare with airstrikes or anything like that. I've been in urban conflict. I've seen people lose their lives and shoot at each other. And there've been bullets flying past me.

And I would not say I've ever experienced anything beyond like, there was one point where a car backfired and I had like an adrenaline rush. And then I was like, whoa, I got to calm down. And that was the extent of it. And so there are a lot of people I've met in like hostile trainings, hostile environment trainings. And I've talked to about this and they've explained that they've seen the worst you could possibly imagine, and they don't have negative impacts from it. I don't know what that means, but I think some people are attuned to make it through these things without having issues or post-traumatic stress disorder, whatever it's supposed to be called.

And some people are heavily impacted by it. I don't know what it is. That's very interesting. I've never heard that before. But, I mean, going back to those kids, though, who were protesting, I mean, more kids pre-COVID died every year from the flu in school. And everyone's heard this argument

a million times. We never shut down for the flu. But we didn't. Like, you found out your classmate had the flu, and it was like, oh, dude, don't come to school. You're going to get everyone sick. But schools didn't shut down. But we lost hundreds of thousands of your classmate had the flu and it was like oh dude don't come to school you're gonna get everyone sick but schools didn't shut down but we lost hundreds of thousands of americans every year to the flu and it was just kind of understood and kids were susceptible to that i do think it's fair to point out though the uh the long-term effects of covid the potential long-term effects are what's worrying and and to be fair what what they're saying about young people is that they're a transmission vector so the kids aren't the ones being, what they're saying about young people is that they're a transmission vector.

So the kids aren't the ones being impacted, but they're negatively impacting old people. And my response to this is like, since when do we have the young people make sacrifices for the old people? I understand these are serious issues and people are concerned, and we definitely don't want old people dying. We don't want anybody to die. But at a certain point, I mean, I look at what happened with Fukushima in Japan when the old people went and volunteered to go into the reactor to like shut it down knowing that this was the end of their lives. But they were saying things like, I'm going to sacrifice what I have left to help the next generation. And so what I really want to get to here is, you know, look, I'm not a doctor. I can recognize that there are health risks. There are a bunch of stories about like teenagers who lost taste and smell for like a prolonged period.

I'm sure that sucks. But, you know, I'm losing my train of thought. What i going to say oh yeah yeah the kids um the suicides that we've seen spiking in certain countries and you know whether it's it's one life or a hundred there was a story of a guy uh a guy i knew um acquaintance he's a he's a tech uh ceo his son killed himself because this kid's i think he was like 10 years old, and he spent a year in lockdown, basically solitary, never seeing his friends. Life was stopped. And I don't think the adults realized what this was doing to children psychologically. That's 10% of his life experienced in a house. You can't leave.

You can't go outside. Everything's shut down. You can't. That's what happened. And eventually it's just like the kid couldn't take it. I was really surprised to hear the story, to be honest. Because the idea that these kids were pushed into that frame of mind to me was crazy. And their parents are right there. There's ample opportunity for the parents to be there with their kids. But we see more and more stories about this.

Adults can handle this stuff better than kids can, and that's what we've got to be worried about. Obviously, we don't want diseases spreading and COVID sucks, but at what point are we going to be like the lockdowns destroying the economy? Nursing home stuff that Cuomo and his other governors did literally murdered people. How about we do the opposite? We allow the economy to function. We put some restrictions in place that protect the elderly and the immunocompromised so they're all taken care of. And then we make sure the nursing homes aren't dying and the kids can live their lives without feeling depression and suicidal thoughts and things like that. Well, that was the purpose of rushing the vaccine, which I know is now FDA approved, at least one of them. But the purpose of the quick vaccine and Operation Warp Speed was to protect the elderly.

It was for older adults. It was for older adults to say, we don't expect you, grandma and grandpa, to live the rest of your golden years in your living room. So let's get a vaccine that you can get back into society. And that has gone from, let us get a vaccine to protect the vulnerable to give your 16-year-old and hell, you said you don't know the long-term effects of COVID. And I know renal issues have come out now as a long-term effect. What is the long-term effect of a vaccine that no one knows the long-term effect of? Right. Well, let's jump to the story from CNN. My friends,

this is big, big news. And they buried the lead. No joke. CNN buried the lead. Check this out. So here's what it says. Mid-article, CNN from today. Survey. More than 80% of Americans 16 and older have immunity.

The survey led by the CDC also indicates that about twice as many people have been infected with the virus as have been officially counted. More than 39 million Americans have been diagnosed with COVID infections since the pandemic started in 2020. The team, led by the CDC's Dr. Jefferson Jones, set out to determine how close the U.S. might be to some kind of herd immunity, although they do not claim to have any kind of handle on that yet. They worked with 17 blood collection organizations working in all 50 states plus D.C. and Puerto Rico to test blood covering 74% of the population. In the end, they tested 1.4 million samples. I know, Ian, you were asking about the sample size.

1.4 million. In July 2020, before any vaccine was available, 3.5% of samples carried antibodies to SARS-CoV-2. That rose to 11.5% of samples carried antibodies to SARS-CoV-2. That rose to 11.5% by December. By May, 83.3% of samples had antibodies to the virus, most of them from vaccination. Now here's the funny part.

What's the actual story? CNN says U.S. states that had some of the worst... Wait, what? Some of the worst COVID-, what? Some the worst. Some the worst. COVID-19 case rates in past week also reported the highest rates of new vaccinations. So this is CNN.com. We got it pulled up.

I'm showing you. We got the NewsGuard. Wow. NewsGuard says CNN doesn't handle the difference between opinion and news responsibly. Oh, good for them. Thank you, NewsGuard. Come on the show someday. That's a good call out, mind you.

But this is it. This is CNN Health. And they straight up are saying 80% of Americans 16 and older have immunity. Let me show you this from Forbes. Top U.S. officials, including Fauci,

previously estimated that herd immunity threshold to be about 60 to 70% of the population, deeming that goal reachable once vaccines were available. Yo, it sounds like the vaccines worked. There's a couple things. Real available. Yo, it sounds like the vaccines worked.

There's a couple things. Real quick, it sounds like Operation Warp Speed worked. Joe Biden moved up the timeline of vaccines by about a month. Sounds like that worked. And it sounds like now, based on CNN's reporting of CDC data of reviewing 1.4 million samples, 80% have immunity due to the vaccines. This is cause for celebration, right? Everybody should be really happy about this.

Let the roaring 20s begin. Yeah. We're there. Let's do it. My two questions are, one, are these immunity, have they developed immunity for a different strain, like the alpha strain when we have the delta strain out now? And two, have they developed partial immunity as opposed to total immunity? Are they different?

Can you have partial immunity instead of considered immune? Is a good question. They say this was all pre-Delta, the researchers caution. Plus, they didn't measure the other part of the human response, one involving cells and his T cells, and one that might induce broader immunity. But knowing who has antibodies can help inform public health efforts. Quote, several large studies have shown that among individuals who are seropositive from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, COVID-19 incidence is reduced by 80 to 95 percent, similar to vaccine efficacy estimates they noted.

The study will continue until at least December 2021, and results will be made available on the CDC's website, they wrote. You see, there we go. That said, the people that have had it have also. They were referencing the other part of the study where it said that people who have caught COVID have similar immunity to those who have been vaccinated. This is the CDC. You know what? YouTube might not be happy with us. I don't know. But this is good news. Regardless of politics, this is what we were aiming for a year and a half ago.

And this is, I mean, ultimately, immunity is what we're looking for or some sort of resistance. I mean, ultimately, immunity is what we're looking for or some sort of resistance. I mean, this is amazing. So in light of this news, we can expect for all the local and state governments and the federal government to start rolling back all the regulations, to start making adjustments to the whole lockdown situation we've been living through for the past 15, 16 months. There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government. We'll see the populations making that happen as we see with the kids walking out. Exactly. I don't know what to say to you other than share this with people.

Let them know the good news. And I genuinely mean this. This is good news. This is fantastic. Absolutely. 83.3% according to the CDC survey. So we need to start taking that consideration because now it's time to bring the economy back, help our kids, get everyone back on track, and it's time to celebrate. Declare victory. And to all the people who are, you know, I'll say it right now. All the people in the big cities and all those Democrats who are like vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.

Congratulations. You did it. You got enough people vaccinated, at least according to this so far. Maybe it's a little preliminary. But if this if we're basing our judgments off CDC data and this is the survey led by the CDC. Well, then there we go, baby. It's time to rock. Let's go to the movies.

Fauci came out on Fox News, said that the Mu COVID variant is not an immediate threat to Americans. I don't know if we're going to talk about this story at all, but that's very promising as well, because if it's continuing to evolve, this virus, and it's just, according to Fauci, not going to be a threat, then it is a good future trajectory. I mean, you know what it sounds like? It sounds like we had a real risk with a novel virus that came out last year. Maybe we overreacted.

Some people did really awful things like Cuomo. He's a bad guy. And this is what we said last year, all last year. The issue was that because it was novel, it was likely to spread rapidly. And so we were like, we got to slow the spread. Well, maybe a year and a half and a vaccine to slow the spread was a little bit more than we thought was going to happen. But at this point, do we now just say like, all right, let's start bringing things back.

Let's bring back the businesses, the movies, the restaurants, drop the mandates. I think we should put that on the table for sure. Yeah, for sure. Well, this is so interesting to me too, because I think it was just last week we were talking about, I think it was Thomas Massey tweeted out a study about how natural immunity is at least comparable to vaccine immunity. And that tweet was super restricted. You couldn't respond to it. This was an Israeli study that hadn't been peer-reviewed yet, and they were treating it like it was absolutely lies.

And it turns out that it definitely wasn't. This is entirely the case. So they're not just talking about vaccination here. They're also talking about being recovered from it. I think that was the tweet that someone tweeted at him. Like, what would you know? You're not a scientist. And he tweeted back his diploma from MIT with like Masters in Science.

And he just said, that's pretty damn funny. I thought that was pretty good. I love him. But I guess the question will be, coming from this, is in terms of government, in terms of government overreach, was all this for our own good? And obviously there's an argument about whether or not government should even be caring about our own good or is about something larger. Because if we're hitting this herd immunity and we're heading in the right direction and we're celebrating and bring back the freedoms, et cetera, if it doesn't start rolling back, well, then you know this was all just a load of bunk, right? So that will be the real question,

which I think has people genuinely concerned. I don't think you're going to see governments saying like, hey, look, we solved this problem, and now everything will go back to normal. So that will be a huge question. I have a question for all you guys. You mentioned that the Pfizer-B BioNTech vaccine is FDA approved. I don't remember which one. One of them is. Didn't one just get FDA approval?

Comirnity, I believe is what it's called. I don't remember which one. It's a version. Tim's probably going to start talking a little bit more about this. It's a version of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine called Comirnity. It's basically the exact same formulation, but what they did is they gave it a name, a proprietary name, and then the FDA approved that. So the Pfizer-BioNTech one is still not approved, even though it's the exact same one. So it's like the distinct legal names have a difference, but this matters. And I'll tell you why.

We have this from the FDA.gov. FDA approves first COVID-19 vaccine. They say this is August 23rd. Today, the U.S. FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and will now be marketed as community for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. Community, it's called. No, it's community. Community. M-I-R-N-E-T-Y. Yeah. 16 years of age and older. Community, it's called.

No, it's community. Community. M-I-R. Community. Okay, thank you. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization, including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age, and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

So I guess they're advising boosters. We haven't gotten to the booster point yet. I think some people have already gotten them. But they do mention it is – so basically the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is going to be the same formula marketed as community, and that is FDA approved. Let me read another paragraph for you from FDA.gov. Section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met,

including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. The HHS declaration to support such use must be based on one of the four types of determinations of threats or potential threats by the Secretary of HHS, Homeland Security, or Defense. Okay. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is approved. Does that mean now that they've approved this vaccine moderna and johnson and johnson will lose eua that's my question because what i read from you is from fda.gov it's from the government website let me let me show you got the you got the news guard certified right here and this is this is really interesting news guard says the fda does

not correct errors they don't reveal who's in charge. What? And they don't provide the names of content creators. That I find fascinating. But this is a government website. Yeah. All right. We're supposed to be basing everything off what the government says.

We've got FDA approval. They say in order to receive EUA, there must be no alternative. Now, I could simply argue this. They all already have emergency use authorization. It doesn't say you immediately lose it. Oh, come on. I mean, okay, so you're not supposed to give

emergency authorization to these other ones because they already had it. They're just, it's okay. That's the question I'm asking. Is the FDA now going to come in and revoke that EUA from Moderna and Johnson & Johnson and just say Pfizer's the one that's approved? Because it is. It literally is.

I mean, FDA said they approve it. I guess the question is, will they or should they? Two different questions. Should they? I don't know. Maybe. Will they? I don't think so. There's a letter to the FDA explaining that they are legally distinct even though the

same formulation because marketing something under a brand is specific, but that doesn't change the fact that there is an FDA. Some people said they're like, oh, it's not really FDA approved because it's under a different name. And I'm like, no, there is an effective alternative treatment available, FDA approved, under community. Oh, but it's not available yet, community, right? Is it? Yesterday you were saying it's not available yet. No, no, no.

I don't know if it's available. Oh, okay. I was thinking that it's not available yet. I said, so I'm wondering, you call your doctor and ask, is community available? I honestly don't know. Pretty soon there will be commercials. Oh, absolutely. But my question is very, very simple. Did Moderna and ask, is community available? I honestly don't know. Pretty soon there will be commercials. Absolutely. But my question is very, very simple.

Did Moderna and other stocks going to plummet now? I would wonder if they could make the argument. Again, I'm not a pharmacologist. I don't know. But are there different medical circumstances where one vaccine would be preferable to the other? Right now it seems like, which one are you going to get? I don't know. CVS has the Johnson & Johnson and Walgreens has...

No one seemed to know which one they were getting or why. Most people I know got Johnson & Johnson because it was one shot. But otherwise they didn't know. So the only argument I would say is if they can say, for these reasons, people who have X, Y, or Z genetic makeup, I don't even know how to describe this, they should get Moderna. So even though Pfizer's is the one that's now Comirnaty, but you need Johnson & Johnson for X reasons, so we still have emergency utilization. That's how I would argue it. So I've got this from FDA.gov. This is a document,

says Pfizer BioNTech COVID vaccine, EUA-LOA, reissued August 23. There is a footnote that says the licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the emergency use authorization authorized vaccine, and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness. Well, didn't the one guy from the FDA just leave to go join the board of Pfizer? That made the news the other day. And people were like, well, that's kind of curious. Yeah, I saw that. Scott Gottlieb.

So you just left the FDA. No, no, no, no. That's from years ago. I thought that was just... Years ago. Really? Yeah, over two years ago. I thought that was just... Years ago. Really? Yeah, over two years ago. Two people did step down. Yeah, that was because they're pushing for boosters before they've been approved, and they were upset about that. I just saw that also,

but now I'm going to look and make sure it's not fake news. June 27, 2019. Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb joins Pfizer Board of Directors. Oh, I'm sorry. You're saying that the news is that Scott Gottlieb left the FDA now and went back to Pfizer. This is the guy that resigned from the FDA, just went back to Pfizer. The story is his former FDA commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, joins Pfizer's board of directors.

And this is from 2019. Okay. But you're saying he went from Pfizer to the FDA. I saw something that's so I may have seen something that was not accurate. So that's why I don't even want to continue talking. To be fair, I saw the same thing, and I was a little surprised too, but I didn't read the article. And the only reason I was bringing that up is to say,

well, then maybe that explains why one got the FDA approval and the other one didn't. Right, exactly. Not that we would ever think, you never see four-star generals go work for Raytheon, for example, or there's never any of that posturing between... I don't see that story.

It could be that we're Googling it, but I see CNBC from a day ago saying that he serves on the board of Pfizer, not the FDA. So I think maybe people got him mixed up. Do you see the new vaccine for Moderna is going to be called Spikevax? No way, really? Yeah, it's a Forbes article. Great name. Y community is a new name for Pfizer. That is a good name. 19 vaccines. Spikevax for Moderna is going to be called Spikevax. No way, really? Yeah, it's a Forbes article. Great name. Why community is a new name for Pfizer for the 19 vaccines.

Spikevax for Moderna. You see all the people who got tattoos of their, like, team vaccination? No. It's so weird, man. So to the bottom of this, community, maybe it's not available yet, and that's why they're able to continue the emergency authorization use for the generics, possibly. If community is available, then by the FDA's own standards, they've got to drop. Maybe they don't have to drop the emergency authorization because they've already given it.

But they're not allowed to continue to give more. Maybe they're allowed to continue doing it because revoking an EUA is different from giving one. I keep laughing because I already see the community commercials and, like, the mother and daughter making a pie and the dad's out. And they're like, if you need to ask your doctor about community, then they list all the symptoms. Like, don't take community if you have boom, boom, boom. If you have teeth, if you have hair. That's like, oh, my God. Community.

They actually do say in the FDA approval letter and the product information for community, there is no information on long-term effects. Those studies are ongoing and they're currently undergoing trials so so people have concerns about that and i think it's funny when you see um all the smears about horse medicine and they're like oh you know ivermectin whatever which is not approved by the fda for use in treating covet nor is it authorized in any way just so you guys know because you know youtube says it's important um what was i forgot i was gonna say because i was ragging on youtube to do your uh something awesome oh yeah yeah but there there you know there are people who say like i'm concerned about long-term health effects and then they get made fun of and mocked and ridiculed and i'm like it literally says like here's what

really here's what bugs me i think too many people who are have concerns are getting their perception of the cdc based on the Democrats and these leftists. I shouldn't say leftists, but like the Democrats in the establishment left who say stupid things all the time. And the CDC literally gives you warnings about the vaccine. They tell you about allergies. They tell you about, you know, counterindications. They tell you about all the data. It's not like being hidden on the CDC website.

The FDA said everything I just read. It's not hidden on their website. They're not concealing these things. But you go to like, you know, NPR and they're like, Joe Rogan took horse medicine. And you're like, that's insane. Even Oxford is doing a study on ivermectin, which they say is promising, but not yet conclusive. And so I'm like, okay, here's what I said earlier. Regeneron is FDA authorized.

It's not approved. It's authorized. That's monoclonal antibodies. That's what Joe Rogan used. Joe Rogan did a video where he's like, yo, I had COVID. I was feeling really bad. So we threw the kitchen sink at it. We did monoclonal antibodies.

We did Z-Pak. We did ivermectin. And all these outlets are insulting Rogan over ivermectin. When the first thing he says was monoclonal antibodies, which is Regeneron. Now, my question is, there is an emergency use authorization on Regeneron, not full approval, as a treatment for people. And I think they recently authorized it for potential prophylaxis, meaning you can take it to try and prevent COVID as well. So my question is, if people really believe ivermectin is as powerful and potent as it is in dealing with this, why wouldn't the FDA just give it an emergency use authorization?

You know, people are saying that the reason they're not taking ivermectin seriously is because they want everyone to get vaccinated. And I'm like, but Regeneron's available. And that's what Joe Rogan and Trump and many other people used. And it works. Or I should say, we believe it does. And the FDA says it can be used. So why not just do an EUA for ivermectin if they really had the data to back it up? Why not ask yourself seriously, why are you so eager for Joe Rogan to be sick with COVID,

right? Like he comes out and says, this is what I did and it seemed to work. And people were like, I wish you had died instead. Like, what is this strange desire for him not to have succeeded in what if someone if one of you told me you had COVID and you ate a lot of bananas and you were like in the next day, I felt great. I'd be like, that's really cool. Like, I don't know. Maybe maybe bananas work. So I don't understand this fascination.

Like they want him to be sick to just not break the narrative uh and it's very bizarre this is something we've noticed people have gotten so mean we've gotten to the point where people would actively like wish that you just disappeared one way or the other like why that's it that's uh i don't i don't know what's going on. I think I can answer your question from earlier about why is things like ivermectin not being emergency authorized, but other things. Because the same question gives you the same answer. Why is Pfizer creating a name for the vaccine called Comirnaty? For profit. Because someone owns that IP, and they're going to make massive amounts of money off of selling off of selling community instead of the generic version. You can't make money off of generic

medicine. Not really. Not big money though. You can't own the IP. So this ivermectin stuff is like some generic dollar of 20. I don't know how much it costs, but it's dirt cheap compared to what- But it is mass produced by people. And I guess the problem I have with this is you start getting into the argument that, well, the studies must be faked. And so here's what we have. We've got a bunch of studies that are propped up by a lot of people about the efficacy of ivermectin. They show country by country data. And then you have many other studies saying it's not effective and we found nothing. I would have to make the assumption that one of those groups of studies would be wrong or intentionally lying. And so I think we don't have to get conspiratorial on it.

If we have data saying Regeneron is effective and Joe Rogan took it and it worked, although he did take Z-Pak and Ivermectin, so people might judge whatever they want to judge. Obviously, the media is claiming it was the horse medicine the whole time. But if we have data that these things do work, then I think it makes sense to say we don't want to do an EUA on ivermectin because it's conflicting data right now. So imagine if they came out and there's – we had Dr. Chris Martinson. He's a smart guy, and he said, look at all these studies saying it works. And then I was like, look at all these studies saying they found nothing, no change, no positive fact. It literally had no impact. And the response we got from him was basically like, oh, yeah, well, those studies, those are no good.

And I'm like, I can't make that decision. I'm not the guy who did the studies. I'm not a master of the universe. I don't know everything. I see studies and I see conflicting data. Now imagine you are trying to recommend to people because you want them to be healthy. And you can choose to say this one's got conflicting data. This one's got data showing it's efficacious

and Regeneron also. Which would you recommend? I think you can either believe in the malice of people and the profit motive and the greed and assume they're just lying to people about these other medications. Or I think you can make the least amount of assumptions and say someone looked at it and

was like, I don't know if that one's going to work. I don't want to recommend it. Right? Yeah, yeah. Also keep in mind that companies that are producing products for profit often will not test against them intentionally. You don't have to spend the money to do the test to find out if your thing's bad. And if there's no test showing it's bad, then there's no evidence that it's bad.

But you'd hope that's the role of the FDA, though, right? It's supposed to be. We had a study on TimCast.com talking about the efficacy of, I think, what was it, Moderna and AstraZeneca? We read a study, and it was like they worked against Delta. That wasn't a study that was done by the companies. So, look, I don't like big, massive, multinational corporations. I don't

typically trust them or massive governments. I think they tend to be utilitarian. I think corporations are very driven by profit. They want to make money. But I also think, what am I supposed to do as a regular person? To all the regular people out there who are trying to navigate this world, keep their kids safe, when it's like you've got people for competing political interests and tribal reasons trying to tell you to do something or not do something.

And that's why I tell people when it comes to all this stuff, I genuinely mean it when I say go talk to someone, your trusted doctor. And if your doctor is not someone good, find one you trust because the culture war is tainting everything and making it hard for people to understand reality. So I'll put it this way. I don't have the answer.

I don't. You might. You might have an opinion on the answer. I just don't have it. I literally don't. But I think driving this also and making people distrust their doctor, the CDC, the FDA, the government, etc.,

there is a huge lack of accountability as we learn more about this virus. And what I mean by that is early on we have to get hospital beds. We were building hospitals. We sent a boat, a Navy ship up to Manhattan because by this weekend we will have 40,000 respirators. We asked Ford to stop making cars because we need 100,000 respirators. Those things never came to fruition. But my point is, like, how come we never hear the CDC? We go, like, hey, look, early on we thought this turned out not to be the case,

but now we know that every time they are asked about those things, it's like we are not false. We never make mistakes. And so people don't trust. No, I completely agree. When I look at the CDC and I look at Joe Biden brought it up, Tuskegee, right? Actually, he insulted the Tuskegee Airmen, which is something totally different. Very different.

Not the Tuskegee experiments. But he brought it up referencing that there have been things in the history of this country that make people distrust government. I can respect that. And then you have people who distrust massive corporations. I can respect that. Find yourself a Trump supporter doctor then. I'm not saying you're a Trump supporter necessarily. I'm just speaking in generalities.

If you get the Democrats who are just like – the craziest thing is they tell me Casey Neistat, he's a good dude. I think he's a nice guy. But he tweeted out that he just pulled up to a parking lot and stuck his arm out the window and i was like you didn't consult your doctor about like i think that's bad i think you need to do that and then you have on the other side people saying yeah well doctors are dumb and i'm like then find a doctor who's not dumb like you're not the culture war is not your place to take care of yourself man people are manipulating you you've got got people in every possible faction trying to convince you that they're right

and you should join them for some reason or another. And that means they're going to try and get you to trust certain things and distrust certain things. And that's why I think individual and personal responsibility across the board. That's what I'm all about. But you know what doesn't help that is when you have, like last week,

75 doctors in California walked out in protest because we are not going to treat the unvaccinated. You have a clinician who wouldn't give Candace Owens a COVID test yesterday because I don't like your politics. Right. So when the members of the community with the Hippocratic Oath are now violating that for politics, that makes people not trust the profession. But I agree. They did so much. agree they did so much those doctors did so much damage to the field of medicine but there are a lot of medical workers

that are protesting the mandates yeah so so i think my answer is simple then like uh would you trust a conservative trump supporting anti-woke doctor would you would you trust a doctor that's confused by politics at all i don't want their hands on me if they're thinking about Joe Biden. We've had people on the show who have talked about how their doctors are like staunch conservative Republicans and Trump supporters and gave them all the pros and the cons, knew all the stories, knew all the data, knew what the CDC had been saying about alternate treatments, and then made their recommendation. I think we've reached a point where the culture war is so entrenched in every aspect of every institution it's very difficult to navigate this stuff my fear is just that like you know I go on social media

and I see the horse medicine thing where they're like smearing Joe Rogan as if to imply that Joe Rogan went to Tractor Supply and bought you know some tube of what's called like avermectin paste or whatever and then you stick it in the horse's mouth. That's not what Joe Rogan did. Joe Rogan's a very wealthy celebrity.

I'm sure he's got a team of doctors, and they showed up, and he was like, heal me, and they were like, yes, sir, and they started to go, no, I'm sure he went to the doctor, and he was like, what should we do? And they were like, let's throw the kitchen sink at it. To imply that he went to a tractor supply instead of a Walgreens first prescription is insane, and it makes people distrust everything and you you can't let the political agenda and the manipulators screw with you you know what i mean i think you've got to separate yourself from the culture war you do your own research you go and

talk to a medical practitioner someone that your family knows and that you trust and you have a conversation about it for as long as you need to have it i think it's also important to not get triggered by the misinformation because i i i want to sometimes like it makes me kind of angry but if it just don't don't get angry by it let it happen yeah it's the confusion that makes me angry like i feel confused and conflicted and then as a result i feel angry but you see in in in the culture war there is a goal among i think it it's particularly the establishment, to be completely honest, which wraps up the Democrats. It used to be the Republicans, but they, when Trump came in and broke the door down, they want you confused. Makes you easier to control. Makes you frustrated, scared, and say, I give up.

And that's why I'm like, don't give up. Do research. And then find someone that you trust who's like, look, if you do facting and you know something is true and something isn't, go to your doctor. Ask him the questions. And if your doctor is wrong about some very obvious fact, then you have a bad doctor. I said it before about hiring a plumber who can't fix a toilet. Why would you hire that person? And I admire what you're saying.

And I agree with what you're saying. You are much more nonpartisan than I am. But I think part of driving the culture war, as I see it, is, heck, last weekend, Deb Haaland, Secretary of the Interior, got married, went back to New Mexico. Elizabeth Warren was there. New Mexico has no more than 10 people indoors, masked at all times. All these photos leaked. Senators, the Secretary of Interior, the governor, no one's wearing a mask. They're all doing the chicken dance. They're all having a blast senators the secretary of interior the governor no one's wearing a mask they're all doing the chicken dance they're all having a blast at the wedding and it's like

if you're the enforcers of this law that is supposed to protect us and you're just like you don't really have to follow it well then so i i get it like i wish the culture war wasn't so prevalent but when you see stuff like that that i think tends to come from one side of the aisle i don't trust a lot of what's coming out and it's hard for me to get past it i mean it's hard for me to get past it when you see that commonplace i'll say that i trust the cdc and the fda substantially more than i would trust the press or any one of these government officials or barack obama and i don't have a lot of trust in government institutions regardless regardless if they're the CDC or the FDA. Elected leaders, I don't.

Right, right, right. I just don't. But so I lean towards the benefit of the doubt in terms of, and maybe to a fault because I know the history of this country. I think I love the meme where it's like, if you trust the government, you haven't been reading history. And I'm like, dude, the challenge is for regular people, not for those who are hyper partisan.

There's regular people who are sitting at home and they're like, what do I do? And it's like you've got to get yourself away from the battlefield where everyone's slinging ideas and the news is constantly in conflict and people are saying you're a liar. And there are people who are sitting there watching everyone accuse each other of being liars. And I hear that they go, both sides are bad. And I'm like, that's fundamentally false. There is like conservatives who disagree on certain things but will be honest with you and the left that has no visible principles in many regards, like particularly

with what's going on in Texas, which we'll get to. And that's why I think people need to remove themselves from it. But can you? And I love in the culture war the amount of Kafka traps we plant now. It's like, you are a sexist and only a sexist would say you're not a sexist. And it's like, wow, that's great. So let's say we just deal with each other like that on a regular basis now in the culture war.

You can remove yourself to a certain degree. And what I mean is if you don't have faith in your doctor, find one you'll have faith in. For instance, let's say that you have a doctor, a series of doctors that just pair at the same talking point without any proof. For instance, my wife is pregnant. We go to the doctor. Is the vaccine safe? The doctor says the vaccine is safe and effective for pregnant women. But if you go to the FDA website, and I saw this, this is after the approval, and this is, let me pull it up here, and it says FDA.gov.

Available data on comernity. You have to slur when you search it. Available data on comernity. You have to slur when you say that. Available data on comernity administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy. And it goes on to say that there's no evidence that that immunity is going to be passed on through breast milk. But the doctor will say that. So what do you do? Are you just stuck in a state of confusion? I mean, that's a legitimate concern that I have

Did you show the doctor that data from the FDA? No, no, this was months ago when the doctor said that But this is just a brand new document That came up post-approval So this is FDA.gov We have it right here It says, available data on community Administered to pregnant women are insufficient

To inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy. A developmental toxicity study has been performed in female rats administered the equivalent of a single human dose of community on four occasions, twice prior to mating and twice during gestation. These studies revealed no evidence of harm to the fetus due to the vaccine. And then they have animal data. Your wife's not a rat, right? Just making sure. No, no, no.

Thanks for asking that. So this is simple. If you go to a plumber and you say something like, you know, the pipe in the back of my toilet is broken, and he goes, what do you mean a pipe? They use small miniature aqueducts. You'd be like, that's the most insane thing. This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

So if you go to a doctor and he doesn't actually read this stuff, like a bad doctor. Well, I would think that he would at least try to protect himself legally and say, there's no evidence at this point in time to say that that's, that it's not effective or, you know, but he just parroted the talking point, you know? And I think that there's a lot of that happening. And I don't think that these doctors are necessarily malevolent. I think that they just might be to some extent ignorant or uninformed.

It's interesting. It says there's insufficient, they said data, available data is insufficient to inform vaccine associated risks in pregnancy. So the FDA did say that it was safe for pregnant women, though. The Pfizer one? Safe and effective. I think all of them say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The FDA did say that.

The FDA said it was safe and effective, and the FDA said it was indetermined if it was safe or effective. This FDA did say that. The FDA said it was safe and effective, and the FDA said it was indetermined if it was safe or effective. This is the packet insert. So what I have pulled up, this 20-page thing, is like what they give you when you receive the vaccine, warnings and precautions, adverse reactions. And I've got to be honest. The adverse reactions are overwhelmingly like your typical vaccine reaction. It's like you get a headache and then you're fine. Sore arm for a day or whatever.

We get. We've gotten vaccines um but but it does say that so i guess my only concern is why the uh the pfizer insert is conflicting with what the fda is advising and that's why i just say like i can't explain it to you and you shouldn't expect me to and i don't think it's responsible to go to internet personalities to try and figure this out and if your doctor doesn't even know about this, it's very, very difficult. You've got to bring it to the doctor. And they often don't have time or interest in reading it. But sometimes they do.

And they'll learn. And they'll be like, oh. And then they'll start teaching their patients the new information. I think it's time to take responsibility. The idea that you could just go to a doctor and assume they're good at their job. The idea that you could just go to a journalist and assume they're telling the truth. No at their job the idea that you just go to a journalist and assume they're telling the truth no no you got to find good journalists you got to do your research you got to fact check now you got to go and actually seek out those professionals who you know and trust who are going to take care

of you the novelist that's not me the novelist john gardner said something i've never forgotten he said 87 of all people in all professions are incompetent. So find that 13%. You got to dig. You got to work. Wow. Well, I mean, at least 50% are below average, right? Yeah, literally. Actually, one of my favorite statistics that I was, there is a statistic that something like 73% of Americans

think they're above average looks. It's like, well, that's a lot of math problems right there, right? So yeah, I guess 87 is – that's a daunting statistic. I don't know. Anecdotally, I think it might be accurate. Let's bring up some of this hypocrisy from your traditional liberals. And we have this story from Daily Mail. Liberal Supreme Court justices tear into their colleagues for their, quote, flagrantly unconstitutional decision not to challenge

texas abortion ban while biden calls it an insult to the rule of law there's my question there's a bunch of people standing on the texas state capitol whatever and they're chanting like hands off my body why does that only apply to abortion and not vaccines i don't know. Politics. Is there a reason? Politics, yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, I do think, I know I'm getting cynical as I get older. They are both huge industries that have a lot of money and a lot of 401ks and a lot of the abortion industry is an industry. The pharmaceutical industry is an industry. And they have vested interests that go much deeper than just the cause.

I wish they would just be honest and not use the argument, and it would fly better for someone like me, right? Instead of coming out and saying, my body, my choice, like those high school kids and those middle school kids were saying the exact same thing. I'm like, okay, what about vaccine mandates? And they're like, shut up. All the response on Twitter when I tweeted this was all the establishment the establishment left types were just like tim pool is a dim fool and they like high five each other and i'm like you're not you're you're not in this conversation that's a bad one good one guys that one's actually that one's a classic that's a classic yeah yeah the one that i think is the weakest is pim tool it's like come on you can do better than that you know yeah you get thrown some rhymes and

they do a little rep. The point is, if you don't have an argument, you've lost. Yeah. And they don't have an argument. And so if someone if someone said, I think the government should mandate vaccines and I think I should be allowed to terminate a pregnancy. It's that simple. I'd be like, OK, I disagree with you.

Instead, they're like, I don't think the government should force women to have medical decisions over their bodies. And I'm like, I don't think the government should force women to have medical decisions over their bodies. And I'm like, you don't believe that. You're using some kind of liberty-minded talking point to trick people who want freedom. Yeah, they definitely don't believe that because they will be the first ones to say, like, let it rain mandates. If people have said, people have said on social, let it rain COVID mandates. Right? So they don't believe that as a principle.

They just believe it as a political talking point. This is the thing, you know, so it's like when I'm tweeting people like, why aren't you criticizing conservatives? And I'm like, well, because they were honest with me about they want to do. They didn't lie. They said straight up, you shouldn't be able to do it. And I'm like, OK, are you saying you should? I think the government shouldn't intervene and have control over my body. And I'm like, oh, OK, so you're protesting the vaccine mandates. No. So you don't think what you just said.

Yeah. Just tell just said. Yeah. Just tell me honestly. Yeah. I think the issue is, the issue of abortion is extremely unpopular. Like, I should say, obviously the issue itself is unpopular, talking about it,

but most Americans don't like it. They just don't like it. And I think even when it comes to, like, pro-choice groups, it's always, like, with heavy restrictions. And now you have this faction of far leftists who are, they're not even pro-choice, they're pro-abortion. Actively pro-abortion. Like CBS News actually calls them pro-abortion groups. I was reading this and they say pro-abortion.

I have a good friend from Ireland who told me, who knows American politics pretty well, and said the reason why it's never going to be resolved here is because he said in Ireland, in Catholic Ireland, gay marriage and abortion were decided by referendum. And he said, and even people who disagree with them know the majority of people voted a certain way. And he's like, we don't have arguments about abortion and gay marriage. He said, in America, you have them nonstop because the people never felt like they had a chance to voice their vote.

And I think there's a lot of truth to that. I mean, the abortion argument and even the marriage argument. No people ever got to do it. Now, I think if you gave people the option to choose, I think marriage would pass pretty easily. And I think abortion would probably pass, but I think it would be a lot closer. But people would at least say, like, I participated in this process, which does govern society. But that didn't happen a court case happened and now the nine justices heck elizabeth warren was some of the most salient things that i even tweeted at her when she said that we need to codify row into law um to stop this from happening

i'm like so you're admitting it wasn't a law yeah and and and if it's not a law then the people whose duly elected legislators represent them in the Congress, they never participated in the process. And that's thoroughly un-American that these nine justices are deciding something this consequential. It happens very often. All the time. Non-stop. Right. Non-stop.

That's why the left loves, that's why everyone loves the courts, but that's why the left really loves the courts, because they never have the political will to move these agendas forward, so they have to do them through the courts. When it came to the eviction moratorium, the Supreme Court was like, oh, don't look at us, that's Congress. Yeah. But many other issues, they're like, yes. It wasn't even Congress, it was the CDC. They said that Congress has to codify. Yeah, exactly. But suddenly the CDC director gets to make rent.

I saw you tweeting about that when you were like, this is my parents' retirement. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. And people are ranting against landlords when the issue has nothing to do with landlords. It has to do with people who took that money from the COVID relief funds and spent it on other stuff or saved it instead of paying their rent with it. Your parents are rich fat cats. Yeah, I guess so. Who are just sitting on all these properties.

Tell me about that. Geez. Florida Senate says legislature ready to replicate Texas abortion bill. So this is interesting because what the left is saying now is it's effectively the end of Roe v. Wade, that women are losing their rights and every Republican state is going to do this. And it's like, but you can still get an abortion. But isn't this just like at some level just just a reactionary move from you know uh consequential

red states against the vaccine mandates in blue states and blue cities the abortion thing yeah no no you don't think so no republicans are pro-life yeah but it also feels like a political reaction i i don't think so no i think not i know exactly what you're saying and i agree with you i don't think it's necessarily abortion as a reaction to covid but i think red states as a reaction to the culture wars and the biden administration red states are getting red like like really red and blue states aren't getting bluer they've always been can you get any bluer than current california new york York? You can't. But I think red states are really getting redder. And I joked the best thing that this life bill can do in Texas is that it will keep them from getting more Californians.

It was probably good for Texas. People are saying they're going to leave. Yeah. Good. We'll go back to California. And that's fine. That is the 10th Amendment. That is the spirit of our country.

And I am pro-life. I admit that. But if you want a pro-choice state, make your pro-choice state. I'm just not going to live there. But that's awesome. I'm clearly married to a guy, so clearly I'm pro-gay marriage. But if Alabama doesn't want to have gay marriage, I'm not living in Alabama. Is that right?

I think that's unfortunate for Alabama because Andrew and I are awesome. But that's the joys of states' rights. You live in Alabama and do all of the Alabama you want. This is really interesting that these kind of things come up, though, is because the Supreme Court made rulings. No offense to Alabama, by the way. Sorry. I threw out a state by – I don't mean to interrupt you.

I just – I'm not – I love the South. Loving v. Virginia. I love the South. Loving v. Virginia. I love the South. Loving v. Virginia. Yeah. The argument from the miscegenation – the proponents for miscegenation laws was that if these states want to ban interracial cohabitation and marriage, then don't live there. And so there were – like my family, for instance, my mom's side, forced to flee different states when people found out because it was literally illegal for them to be in a relationship i think that makes no sense and so the supreme court said it violates the constitution the supreme law of this country

to tell someone for these reasons that are arbitrary and so i think the same thing is true of gay marriage i think if you know we're going to uphold someone's constitutional rights right to privacy and right to life liberty pursuit of happiness and the privacy of their own home, it makes sense for the Supreme Court to say, you can't do this as per the Constitution. And that means sometimes things happen you don't like. Sometimes there'll be some Supreme Court rulings, you're like, man, that one's

bad. But you've got to trust that. I guess you've got to trust that when we vote, we get good judges and then you're doing your your civic duty to get supreme court justices appointed the the main issue that i see is the democrats talking about stacking the courts because they've lost it they've lost the argument and that's when things go south because right now if it's like if the supreme court issues are

ruling i don't agree with we get active and we say okay we're going to fight you know politically to to change hearts and minds and win the causes we do want. But if they say they're going to stack the courts, then the process is done. There's no path by which you can win other than just manipulating the system and that's the collapse. That is the rich, obnoxious kid whose birthday party you invited to who had to win because

it was his birthday party and every time he was losing, they would change the rules so that Timmy won because it was his party. And that's exactly it. There are Democrat senators who are blasting the filibuster as a relic of Jim Crow when a year ago, Senator Tim Scott, who is black, who's a Republican, they were filibustering his criminal justice reform bill. The same senators who filibustered a black Republican last year

are now saying we can't have the filibuster because it's full of racism and Jim Crow. I hate the Democrats, man. But you just can't change the system when you lose. And sometimes you lose. We lost in 2020, right? We lost in 2018. We being Republicans, I'm not even a Republican,

but I'm trying to make a point. Sometimes you lose, and that stinks, but you've got to re-rally the troops and you got to have better messaging and better conviction and better but you can't just change the damn rules every time the year is not 2003 we are not living in the era of the neocons anymore the populist right the the maga crowd the trump supporters they they stormed the Republican Party and it's very different from what it used to be but there's still many establishment and neocon Republicans that are still in office and I'll tell you this I I don't like the Republican Party because they are spineless weak and they just do nothings why should I care about a group of people who don't

do anything and are bad at it I disagree with a lot of them on their ideas. I can agree with some of the rhetoric around freedom. And then I like some people who ran as Republicans but are clearly much more libertarian like Rand Paul or Thomas Massie. But I view the Republicans as what are they doing? Tell me. You know, I remember back when Trump was being impeached and stuff. I was talking to my mom about this. And she was like, you know, I don't hear you talk about the Republicans at all that often. I said, oh, what did they do?

In 2016, when they had control of everything, what did they do? Oh, they were on board with Russiagate. Oh, okay. So my complaints about Russiagate involve them. The Democrats are evil. And maybe that's a little bit hyperbolic to say, because not every single person who's running as a Democrat is a bad person. There are a decent handful that are good people, just like the Republican Party has theirs.

But when you look at how they lie, cheat, and steal over and over and over again, I know the Republican Party was the exact same way. It was the uniparty. They were the same thing. But the Republican Party is something way different now. It's a mess. You've got populist right-wing individuals that are running for Congress, who's going to make a very big change.

And then you've got the populist left that is coming into the Democratic Party, and I think they're authoritarian crackpots. At least with the wave of right-wing populists, they tend to be more libertarian. So I'll tell you what my concern is. Democrats saying vaccine mandates. I'm like, oh, okay, you're an authoritarian. Adhere, take

the government-mandated medical procedure, regardless of what your doctor says, is insane to me. No medical or religious exemptions, that's insane. It's an infringement of your constitutional rights. Texas and Florida, red states, they're like, no, we're not going to do any of that. No, or religious exemptions. That's insane. It's an infringement of your constitutional rights. Texas and Florida, red states, they're like, no, we're not going to do any of that. No, that's not true. This abortion thing is a violation of your constitutional right to get an abortion, in my opinion. You have a constitutional right to get an abortion?

I mean, you have freedom. Nothing says you can't. What do you mean? I mean, the courts ruled, you know, you're allowed to. I don't think they said it was a constitutional right. Well, it's been interpreted that way over the last 50 years, but it's not. I mean, the Constitution is pretty precise, and it doesn't mention it. It is a right for these authoritarians to come in and say,

we're going to make it so you can't now, because it's my spiritual belief. Like, get off my back, dude. But even this case, though, I mean, it's getting blown out of proportion that this is now the beginning of the repeal of Roe, and it's really not. This is the courts saying, you filed suit against a law that hasn't even gone into effect yet, and you don't have the – this is a little premature. Like, don't shoot your load just yet. Let's actually let the... Sorry, that was really vulgar. As soon as I said it, I was like,

oh my God, did I just say that? I am so sorry. I've been saying viral load for weeks. But anyway, I think politics being politics, this is getting blown up as like, that's it, Roe is now over. And this is the court saying, let's actually have a challenge to the law before you bring it to the supreme court to saying this land law can't

go into an effect yet there needs to be someone who who is negatively impacted by it to be able to challenge it yeah yeah so that's that's what people don't realize is the reason why the lower courts were like nah and supreme court's like nah yeah well so the lower court said we're we're letting this law go through and the supreme court said we're not interested is because there's no standing. There's like, you know, where's the individual who's been wrong that is challenging this, right? The constitutionality of the law. Yeah. I'm afraid about abortion is that it's going to always happen anyway.

It's one of those things that they try and say, like, now that it's illegal, it'll stop. But like, it's been, what did they say, 90? The numbers of abortions are like staggering when you look at them. Those are the ones only on record in the United States that we know of. So there was an instance of a study that was performed on back alley abortions, which I know is a big topic that people talk about a lot. The guy went to his deathbed and he admitted that like half of the numbers he just made up just like that.

He just made it up. He just wanted abortion to happen. He wanted it to be legalized he literally lied and i need to find the study you guys are welcome to fact check me but based on what my understanding of the back alley abortion thing women are more likely to die in an actual legalized setting even with medical care they're more likely to have negative response to it and super regret after the fact than any kind of back alley abortion yeah i don't agree with the idea that they'll happen anyway you know we hear that a lot from a lot of the the the pro-abortion activists used to be pro-choice people but i don't know where they went because i still consider myself

pro-choice but uh the argument is that it'll more of you know oh it'll happen anyway i'm like i i don't believe that's true. I believe it may. There was that viral instance, I think. I don't know who it was. They held up a coat hanger. We're going back to that or whatever. And I'm like, that's messed up.

I'm not a fan of that at all. But I think an overwhelming majority of women would just have babies. But what would happen? Would they get criminalized, the ones that tried to get an abortion? What this law says is that someone can sue if they find out someone aided or got an abortion. They can be awarded up to like 10 grand, I think it is.

But not the woman herself. You can't sue the woman. You can sue the doctor. It is really clever what they did. So apparently, it used to be that these laws always got struck down because the state had no right to intervene in medical procedures. And so the state is saying the law actually bars the state from enforcing this. It only allows for lawsuits where civil cases are brought by other

citizens. So that's apparently how they are planning to get around this. But again, they're acting like it's the end of Roe v. Wade. But like you said, this was dropped because of lack of standing, in which case it could be another week or when it goes into effect, I think, was it like September? No, it went into effect yesterday. Oh, okay. Right. On the 1st, right. So we could have someone right now just be like, okay, I'm suing, and then the Supreme Court could be like, yeah, you can't do it. And they will.

Yeah. And it will go on. The law will be prevented from taking effect effect and they'll go into lawsuit. And I mean, I don't think it's going to change anything in the courts, but it is a necessary step. You know what my issue is with the whole thing? I don't know where the line is that you allow the government to say we can mandate somebody provide their body to somebody else.

I don't know where that line is, where the government is allowed to intervene in that capacity. And I'm very scared about what that means when we accept the government can intervene in that capacity. So let's just say, so here's the conundrum. A woman, you know, ends up, you know, pregnant, and there's a health risk, a very serious health risk, and she's devastated by this. She desperately wants to have children, and she's been struggling with it. And so they go to the doctor the doctor says the baby will not survive and neither will you like our only option right now is termination and then what you got to file petition to the state or is that is that an exemption in the texas law it's an exemption

so the doctor can then incest rape health of the mother are all exempted from this law that's when you just said incest and rape And when you said this law was very cleverly crafted, this law was very cleverly crafted. I wouldn't say... Clever may be the wrong word. I think perhaps the answer to that is fairly. Solid. Solid, yeah.

They don't want this law to get struck down by the typical ways it has been struck down in the past. It's not about striking down. Does that mean to say that they're actually creating a window for abortion as contraception if there if there is a medical exemption meaning you can get a termination due to the health of the mother incest or rape well after six weeks before six weeks anyone can have one there's no restrictions for before six that means this is only after the six week mark that means this this this the bill is actually saying

women are free to use abortion as a form of contraception. Absolutely. Wow. Until six weeks. And then is that six weeks from conception? I was just reading about this. Sometimes it's not until two weeks after your last period that you can actually conceive. So they'll think they're pregnant for two weeks and then they don't actually get pregnant.

And then all of a sudden they're pregnant. Well, it's the heartbeat bill. So it's not actually about six weeks. It's about if they can detect a weeks and then they don't actually get pregnant and then all of a sudden they're pregnant well it's the heartbeat bill so it's not actually about six weeks it's about if they can detect a heartbeat then you can't get an abortion unless there's exceptions you know in those in those regards it's it's it so here's the conundrum does the state then say sorry we don't care about the circumstances or whatever it may be outside of these exemptions we are going to mandate mandate your body is provided to this other independent living. Oh, confirm. Two weeks.

Conception typically occurs about two weeks after your last period begins. All I know is that in case any one of the viewers are like, why are you guys talking about this? Our friend Jack Posobiec made it clear. Since men can get pregnant now, men can talk about abortion. That's correct. And I was like, that was one of the most genius tweets I ever saw. It was like, if men can get pregnant, we can talk about abortion.

Yes, but now it's, are you a birthing person? But not talking about this law, which was what people were saying. Jen Psaki, the president, they all talked about how this is a threat to the rights of women. So the birthing person was not used today. So now we are back to women are the ones getting pregnant, which I think for the trans community is incredibly transphobic. I just, I just, I just, I, you know, I talked with Glenn back and we had a really, really great conversation about it because I was just like, I hear all your arguments.

I agree with a lot of your, you know, your, your, I agree with your starting point and where your arguments are coming from. But then I think about the government saying at this point in time, that independent living creature that is living off of your blood and using your body. Well, we're going to make sure that that stays that way. And I'm like, man, but this is my body. I have one life to live. You know, I don't want anybody to be like, I'm going to provide that body to somebody else by force. And I know a lot of people don't like slippery slope arguments, but could there be a point where it's like, there's an accident and the government says, well, you crashed your car and the person you hit, you both have the same blood type, so we're going to mandate you give blood to keep them alive like at what point are they then going to get more and more invasive because entertaining the idea that the government has a right to intervene that you provide your body to someone else for some moral reason well the person's going to die and we can't let a life die especially when you have the opportunity to provide something to save

them so we're going to mandate you do then we have to start having arguments about how much of your body is welcome to be you know given to somebody else now of course i know the argument, the response to this is simply that pregnancy is a unique circumstance outside of injury. So we could easily carve that out and say pregnancy, especially arising from the individual choices, like because rape is exempted. This is a woman who made a choice, got pregnant, and now is responsible for that action. I understand that. I understand that. I'm just, there's like a libertarian wall. It stands before me.

I'm like, I don't know how you get past that for me morally. I don't know. Well, I think libertarians as a political party, their platform is pro-choice. I think most libertarian philosophy. Except for the Mises caucus. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Yeah.

Dave Smith is pro-life. How could you be libertarian and be pro-life? Yeah. Because their argument is that the state, libertarians do believe in the state, and they believe that one of the paramount things of the state's mission is to protect life. What kind of life, though? So, like, we have a government that is trying to make sure people can live, you know, and it's one of the goals of government to prevent death. So stop someone from murdering somebody else.

And that's why they're pro-life. Because they view the baby with a heartbeat as its own independent living entity. It has its own DNA. It has its own heartbeat. It is growing and developing. And at that point, removing it from the womb would terminate it, in which case, you know, you can't do that. But I do have a question in that capacity then. Would there be a law that says the women can remove the baby at around five months when the baby becomes viable outside of the wound and then put into care and then adopt it you see you know what i mean because if the real issue is killing the baby then once the baby comes to a point where they know the the fetus fetus to be viable you know outside of the womb could it then be removed? Like, not to kill it, but to actually let it grow and live and flourish. Very risky option.

It is, I know. I don't think most people, most parents that want to have a preemie that's like, you know. But think about the argument. If the argument is that you can't end the life. I get it. Then what if it doesn't end the life? And you then sever it from, you know, the womb. I don't see that as a viable alternative to the problem here.

But if the baby can live, isn't that. I don't think that's a viable alternative to the problem here but if the baby can live isn't that i don't think that's guaranteed at the five month mark it's not guaranteed so then would there be a legal debate over like well at six months actually you can you know they can do a c-section and or or or put women into forced labor and then the baby can be premature and then be treated to grow and survive because it works it doesn doesn't kill the baby then, right? So is it abortion or is it induced premature labor and adoption? It would be early pregnancy, induced pregnancy, or induced labor, yeah. The challenge I think that we're dealing with is the reality of what it means to be a living entity, trying to ask ourselves questions about individual sovereignty, bodily autonomy,

but also the fact that we are biological entities that use our bodies for reproduction. And then what does it mean that when a woman gets pregnant, there are two individuals involved? That's how the law views it, especially in car accidents and murder cases. If the woman's pregnant, there's two entities. And then how do you determine rights for people who are attached to each other? I'll give you another wild, crazy scenario. Conjoined twins, and they're both legally carrying firearms in the good old state of West Virginia, but then one of the conjoined twins, in a fit of rage, just freaks out and shoots somebody in cold blood. Do you then put the other twin into prison?

Oh. Like, serious? I'm not saying that. No, that's a fascinating You gotta say no to that. I can't. I'm simply bringing this up to show the problem of trying to guarantee liberties to an

individual when they're joined together. I don't have the answer to these things. So basically we need a law that says conjoined twins cannot possess firearms. That's how you get away with it. If you have someone on an intubator and they're unconscious, and you're like their it. If you have someone on an incubator and they're unconscious and you're like

their family member, you have the right to pull the plug on that machine, I believe, right? In most states? No. This was the,

what was it, the Terry Chavo? Yeah, yeah. There's states where you can't do it no matter what. Okay, that's similar to abortion because the baby

can't speak for itself. It's essentially unconscious inside of you and you have full control of its breathing and it's, so you have to make the decision whether it's going to get the plug pulled or not. Then there's euthanasia.

And I'm just like, man, I do not have the, like, I don't know. I have friends flat out who say when I hit 72, and if I start having, we talked about dementia before we went on. They were like, I am flying myself to Switzerland and I am not going to go through that myself. I'm not going to put my family through that. It's already daunting to have a 40-year-old friend say, oh no, that's the plan.

But people... I would encourage them to research psilocybin before they do that. I hear that that's good for dementia. It helps dementia clear the plaque off the neurons. Actually, I think it's THC. THC will eat the plaque off the neurons in your brain. I don't know about that, Ian.

Yeah, there's video of it. Go on YouTube and watch THC eating... Is THC the one that actually gets you stoned? Or is that the... Okay. I always get my acronyms confused. All of these things, I think, bring us to a very, very simple point.

It's like that... I think with the judge talking about porn, he says, you know it when you see it. Yes. Cannabinoids. Remove plaque from Alzheimer's. There is... The way I refer to it is

there is the particle form and the wave form of an argument. The particle form is where we can easily quantify what is good and what is bad. And we say, this goes in the bad section, this goes in the good section. Like, thou shalt not kill. We know that's bad.

But, well, I guess then we've got to carve out for self-defense and we've got to carve out for warfare and things where we find justifiable death. Okay, well, there are some things that are clearly bad. Don't attack people unprovoked for no reason. Bad section. Then when it comes to how do we deal with the liberties of individuals when there's more than one individual in the circumstance that can't be removed from it and we're like, you know what? There is no easily quantifiable way to define this, and that's why I would describe more as the waveform. It takes a massive gradient of different opinions in different areas, and there's no middle.

There really is no middle because if you're if you're pro-choice and this is something i recognize there's going to be abuse of the system there's going to be people who are like i'm just gonna use abortion as contraception and i'm like well that's wrong right but i'm worried about the government getting it wrong i'm worried about someone being like i have this problem i need an exemption and the government going nah and you're like why do i have to ask you it's my life I'm honestly not concerned if some guy I don't know kills his own baby that I don't know in India. I just don't care right now. Do you care? Really? Yes. That someone somewhere you've never heard of is destroying an unborn baby that you've

never heard of somewhere. What does that even have to do with you in the universe though? Because I'm not selfish. But it has nothing to do with you. It has a lot to do. If you get involved, you're being selfish. No. What does has nothing to do with you it has a lot to do if you get involved you're being selfish no what does it have to do with you man see i believe i believe life exists for the purpose of creating complex systems out of free energy and i believe that when you look to what what we should do and what is good good is creation protection development progression and bad is destruction and chaos and pain. But too much good is cancer. No.

Too much creation is cancer. Right. So that's why there's good within evil. There's evil within good. There's yin-yang. There's destruction within good. There's creation within evil. So, right.

Cancer is disorder. It's like evil creation. No, but cancer is disorder, right? The human body exists as a well-ordered machine that destroys cancerous cells. It's part of the process to ensure that it persists.

But when the machine breaks and cancer develops, it's actually destroying the system and preventing the growth and development of new complex systems. So when I hear stories about people somewhere else

doing horrible things and destroying things, I'm like, this goes against what I view life is here to be doing. They are causing massive destruction that's negative to the goals of development, creation, progress, et cetera. So I think it's bad.

And it's not just about me. The world isn't about me and my perception of what I want. I don't just exist so that I can have things. I want the world to genuinely improve and be better. And I hope that there's a future out there in 100, 200 years of humans traveling the stars and continuing the development of organizing energy into complex systems. And then eventually they ascend into a higher being of a greater level of development. And then eventually human entity, whatever it is, evolves, develops, creates robots,

something else that then starts creating its own universes as the next phase of the creation of complex systems. Destroying things, breaking things for no reason makes me mad but there is a reason that is to protect the woman for abortion anyways the odd is the idea but but but but but i agree with that right if there's a woman who would die or it would cause negative it would cause destruction then we intervene if it's a woman who's simply saying i'm going to destroy i'm like that's bad the problem is if the government gets it wrong and they do all the obstruction, then we intervene. If it's a woman who's simply saying, I'm going to destroy, I'm like, that's bad. The problem is, if the government gets it wrong, and they do all the time, I don't want the government involved. And I understand that it'll be abused, which is a very difficult

moral position. But I err towards the libertarian side, because I'm scared of what government does with too much power. Yeah, right. I used to have pretty much your exact perspective on that. Like, what do I care if somebody has an abortion? And whatever reasons they choose. I had a pretty decent lefty indoctrination at university. But that changed when my son was born. Going through that process of pregnancy and birth and then taking care of something that small and fragile totally reversed my...

So I don't think that you can necessarily have that change of perspective unless you go through that yourself. Because, I mean, that's at least where I'm coming from. I mean, you had a very elaborate explanation for your perspective, but for me it's very personal. And going through that myself, it totally changed my perspective of abortion. I hope your wife is watching right now because that's the sweetest thing I have heard.

I got a little emotional. I was like, oh my God, I want a baby. That was great. I love that. We had in our first incubation of the baby, of the chicken eggs, I had 12 eggs. At one point, one of the eggs started to rot and I didn't know which one. And I looked online and I checked the data and I asked some people and they said, here's what you can look for. But they were all identical when I candled them.

I took the light and put it in the eggs. And I smelled them. And there was more than one that was probably rotten. And then I was like, damn, what do I do? Because they explode. They can burst because the bacteria grows. And then it can infect the other eggs. So you've got to get it out of the incubator. And so I said, I candled as many as I could.

These look to be fine. And hopefully, I'm getting the right ones. And then when I took them out, one of them may have actually been a viable baby chick. Oh, baby. And I felt so bad that this life was growing and you could see it. And one of them was black. There were a couple of them which just black came out, like bacteria and gross. And so I was like, I had to do that to preserve the development, the growth, and the creation.

And I knew the risk was going to be that I could actually kill one of the new baby chicks. And I may have. And it was a miserable feeling. And I feel absolutely distraught over it. And it was just a chicken. And now we have these three little baby chicks that jump around and playing and doing the little chicken thing. And we open the cage and they jump out and they're jumping all around. And they're very nice and they flap their little wings and they're adorable and they're

living and i want to protect them and so when i think about the issue of you know life and you know all this stuff i i absolutely feel that way about other babies like i don't just hold chickens to high esteem i'm like it is it is a is a painful feeling man if you i couldn't imagine what it must be to go through that, having to make these decisions or whatever for a person who's had to go to a clinic and deal with this stuff. These are hard moral questions, man, and I am not a priest. This has been the most unemotional abortion conversation I've ever been part of.

And that makes me think, like, how many more conversations could we have as a society where we all have very strong opinions and what is a more controversial subject than abortion? And we disagree at the table, but boy, oh boy, was this such a – this is like an example of civility. It was very nice to be part of. Yeah, I like that. It's the Ben Shapiro thing that facts don't care about your feelings i think that this is one of those conversations that we need to be able to have because i know that i disagree with so many people and they're not going to change my mind and i'm probably not going to change theirs but you were talking about cancer ian and you're also talking about maybe like a little baby in india you just

don't really care what happens to them and i think that if you consider the fact this is a very cliche but if you consider the fact that if you're going to take a child out of the equation, you have no idea what their potential is. They could literally cure cancer, but it doesn't matter if they could cure cancer or not, because if they could make one person's life better over the course of their life, whether they have Down syndrome or something, or if they just become a parent who makes a positive difference in the world for their own kids, you're removing that from the equation without ever giving them a shot at life that's what i have an issue with it's not really emotional it's like you don't f around i mean the potential of human life they could be hitler for sure yeah obviously to be fair if

they're born to a bad situation it could be way worse than that there's there's there's good and there's bad people and um but i but you know But I thought about something, especially why I oppose the death penalty, is because I read stories and I read about people's experiences, and I was reading about death row, and it was like a guy who was going on death row, and at the very last minute they put a halt or whatever on the execution, a stay on the execution, a stay on the execution. And then later turned out the guy was wrongly convicted. And then I was like, I could only imagine being told we are going to slowly walk you to a painful death,

knowing that soon what makes you you, the uniqueness of you, would be snuffed out and you were innocent. And I was like, that is one of the most horrifying things I feel like a person could ever experience. It's like a mock execution. It's like you you have no power you have done nothing to deserve this and we are going to end you now and this guy was you know there's a bunch of stories like this but i was like wow i could not i i i believe killing is wrong yeah i believe that human beings are all you know you know what's funny we can talk talk about a Bitcoin, a crypto and its unique hash code and how there can be trillions upon trillions all of these unique codes. Humans are like

to the tenth power, to the hundredth power, unique. Every little bit about them, from their ideas and their developments to the words they use, the way they speak, to the color of their hair, all become this extremely unique bit of data. You know know what it's like you have to be you know two two pieces of matter can't occupy the same space it's almost like the same

time two formations cannot be the same in this universe so that we have we're forced to be unique by becoming different than our surroundings i just mean to say that uh you know to quote dr manhattan or to paraphrase dr manh. Manhattan, that with all the matter in the universe that could have come together, a woman loves a man she had every reason to hate, and all that came was you, a miracle. Something that shouldn't exist. Brilliant comic and brilliant movie. And so

each individual person is a miracle. My dad, when I was young, I think we lost our cat or something happened to a cat, and I was like, oh, it's really sad. Oh, the cat, he's so sad. My dad was like, it's a cat. And I was like, oh, it's really sad. Oh, the cat. He's so sad. My dad was like, it's a cat. And I remember like he's based in like a fireman, like a legit blue collar dude. Just like, yeah, that puts it in perspective.

It was a cat. Like, what are we doing here on Earth? It didn't. It wasn't like I say, you're saying all life is valuable, but you're talking about human life. And you're saying killing is wrong. I was talking about murder. I was talking about a chicken, bro. I was talking about a chicken that made me feel miserable because I accidentally made it kill them.

But it's a chicken. That was you feeling that. But there is a hierarchy of life, though. Sure. We respect all life. Like, we shouldn't be killing things. But clearly, like, we do hunt. We eat meat.

Absolutely. So, yeah. So just to make sure we're not egalitarian in that sense. Like, all life is the same. It's definitely not. It's definitely not. And you were saying killing is wrong. But there are practical reasons not to eat people. Oh that sense. Like, all life is the same. It's definitely not. It's definitely not. You were saying killing is wrong. But there are practical reasons not to eat people.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's true, too. Disease, plant diseases. Yeah, yeah. But also, it's just like... Although I would taste good. I'm pretty sure. You said killing was wrong, and I imagine you meant like killing humans was wrong when

you were talking about it. But like, is it... No, killing is wrong. Murder is wrong. Because killing enemy soldiers is right right according to our society's moral standards. Probably not. I wouldn't say it's right, but I would say it's justified.

It's justified. It's good for us now. I wouldn't say it's good. Oh, it is good in war. If you kill the enemy and you survive, it is good. Well, in the sense that it's better than he kill you, yes, but I don't think- It's not good. I don't think-

It's not positive. Gosh, that would be dangerous as a society if we say it is good that we killed all those Iraqis. It's less bad think... It's not good. I don't think... Gosh, that would be dangerous as a society if we say, like, it is good that we killed all those Iraqis. It's less bad, but it's not good. That was necessary. Justified. Killing is wrong. Better I killed him and then he killed me, but I can't... Murder, you could say murder is wrong.

Destruction. So destruction for the purpose of destruction. Destruction for the purpose of protecting life is different. When we kill a chicken to eat it, it's because it's part of the process of organizing free energy into complex systems. And in order to survive, we kill and eat. But if someone went around with a 410 and just popping off people's chickens, they'd arrest them and lock them up. That's why I'm going after those animals that are eating my chickens. Although he's doing it to eat.

The mom was doing it to feed her cubs. She's just not doing it for my chickens anymore. The fox is justified, so we have dogs. It makes me think, at what point is it murder? Because I think murder is inherently wrong. Pretty much everybody agrees in our society that murder is wrong. So are you murdering the baby? Is it murder or is it killing of a life form that's in development?

Like at what point is it considered murder? When you do it for no reason other than, you know what, I didn't want this to happen, and whoops, I'm not responsible, so I'll just, you know. I guess I just feel like the choice to abort is, at best, a poor executive decision on behalf of the mother. Agreed. You think it's better to give up for adoption? I don't know. I don't know.

That's really tough to say. I guess there are some circumstances where that would be the case, but not always. Maybe not even the majority. You know, I so want like people not to get abortions. But man, there's literally in my mind, I keep just hitting a libertarian wall of like, I don't understand why the government intervenes and stop someone from making a decision that I have no business being involved in. Other than to protect innocent life. But then I don't know the circumstances. There's no way I could know the circumstances. That means there's going to be a lot of abuse.

And I'm like, damn, that sucks. I have no idea what to do. Yeah. But that is the role of government at least have we have we have it ordered right we do ask the government to step in you mentioned terry shivo we ask the government to step in in those circumstances where the vulnerable do not have the the ability to protect themselves otherwise let's just kill the homeless right who who advocates for the homeless that's very different why why what's what's what's wrong with them they're they're they're strung out on drugs they're

uh they're not coherent they're just contributing not contributing to society they pose a danger so a lot of them so let's just if we just get rid of them what's is that murder no it's just it's just calling right but no of course the government steps in and is like, someone has to protect these people from those who would do them harm. You do bring up a really good point. What? When these international elites talk about humans as if they're livestock overpopulating, yeah, they view it in a very utilitarian manner of like,

well, for the betterment of mankind, we've got to do something about X. Well, what about that? Yeah, like your libertarian sensibilities were saying you don't want the government to get involved in that. Well, you know, the China one-child policy. There are people here in America who talk about population control very comfortably and the rules that we should have of just one child per family. Way to go with number two on the way. You have to be a sociopath to entertain the notion of culling human beings. Because as humans, we strive to protect each other

and to flourish and to love and to live and we hold ourselves to the highest hierarchical standard in terms of life. And hence the genre of post-apocalyptic movies and books from Hunger Games to the maze runner and the choo-choo train in the snow. They're all that same idea. But I want to just mention that I did ask Alex Jones this question when we were on the

show and I said, what if they're right? What if we are expanding too rapidly, ignorant to our own impending demise because we're like yeast in a bottle, eating the sugars and farting ourselves to death? What if there needs to be some kind of intervention to make sure humanity survives? And Alex said, it's a tough question. I think about it. I ask myself that question every day and I just don't know. It seems like we are two different things.

At one point, we're desperate if we're hungry and starving. We become desperate, violent, wild animals seeking for our survival. But then when we get past the base needs, we become this effervescent thinking machine that can create and solve problems, create solutions. And that's not there when you're a desperate animal that's just thinking about food like a North Korean citizen or something. No, but this is the whole argument of Locke versus Hobbes. This is Jean-Jacques Rousseau. We've been struggling with this for 2,000 years as to the true nature of man. Is it this absolute beast of a thing that is tamed by his peers and by society? Or is it this wonderful, loving, peaceful thing and society makes it this absolute animal? And I go both ways. Now that I live in the country, now I think

society makes people worse. For a while, I used to think we were animals and society made people better. But now I look at cities. I look at my hometown of New York. I look at D.C. I'm like, I think society sometimes has a negative influence on the individual. But you're absolutely right. We're not going to solve it in the few minutes we have left. But we've been discussing that for literally thousands of years, the nature of man.

What if just like randomly at the end there's a super chat we read and then all of a sudden everyone in the world is holding hands and singing songs. Like to buy the world a Coke. Then we all ascend into beings of pure energy. I'll see you in my dreams tonight, you guys. That's why I came here tonight. Let's read the super chats, everybody. That's why we read the super chats. Smash the like button if you haven't already.

Subscribe to the channel. Share the show. Go to TimCast.com. Be a member because we'll have a bonus segment, member segment, because there's a bunch of stuff we didn't get into because we just kind of roll with it. All right. Let's see. Hairy Toe says, I put my finger in a cow's mouth.

It wasn't as cool as Ian said it was. Hairy Toe. I don't know if I believe you or not. I think he's lying. I think so, too. I think he liked it. All right, let's see. Nikolai says, nursing shortage applied to eight different hospitals in Philly and Jay Area. Three positions at each only heard back

from Penn and Jefferson. Interesting. Blake LaRum says, am I in the right place? I thought this was Shimcast IRL. When is Shimcast coming back? Hopefully soon. We were talking about that today. I'll get it back soon.

Salty Racer says, Ian, just when I think you can't say anything dumber, you say something else and totally redeem yourself. Cyclical nature of me. I only read it because it's a Dumb and Dumber joke. Right, right, right. That's awesome. Ian B. says, Tim, loved your recent show with Elijah.

Consider inviting Chris Vallotton on your show. He is a pastor at a large church in Redding, California called Bethel. Check him out. He talks about culture and politics. Interesting. Cool. We will look into him. I'm writing that down.

Stalin Zepedes says, Can you please tell liberals to stop calling us Latinx? Most of us hate that. We still have common sense here. Love you guys. Keep it. Good job. Amen. They hate it. Latinxes. Latinxes. That's the best. Latinxes. Latinx. That's great. I think about it every day.

Jeez. Latinx. Nick Sweeney says, Tim, yesterday you said you didn't care for the story of Destiny I would like you and Ian if he wants to give the story of Destiny another chance part one oh so there's gonna be another one in here okay so we'll see oh okay here we go he says the story has gotten really good over the last year turning old enemies into allies

xenophobia political intrigue and more I would recommend the YouTuber my name is Biff for a condensed but in-depth overview of the story. No, I don't like it. I don't like the story because it's hopeless. If you're not familiar with the video game, Destiny is like the humans were thriving because this big object came and granted them technology and allowed them to flourish and colonize the solar system. But then the darkness comes and then human civilization collapses and the old colonies collapse so there's a really cool aspect of the space farring humanity that ended up

faltering the problem is after several years because i wanted the game come out like 2014 or something i've been playing destiny one the problem is that humans have done nothing to succeed it's like i turned the game on and they're like our life is miserable and the city's worse off than it ever was and i I'm like, so we suck? That's what I got from Walking Dead, that show. I couldn't stop watching it because of that. I wanted to see a story where it's like, after the collapse and you're sad, you see the progress and success and the rebuilding. And said the story is just like, well, seven years later, we suck. We're worse off than we ever were.

It's worse than it was when it started. You're not winning. And I'm like, I don't want to play a game where you gradually lose. The story is just bad. Yeah, September 2014, that got developed. There could have been so much stuff where like,

by now, there could have been like, the city's bigger, you know, I mean, the city is bigger because they've opened more areas, but like story-wise,

they're reclaiming territory. By now, Earth should be controlled completely by humanity and they should be setting up alternate cities and it should, they'll be so amazing.

I'd be like, this is so cool. Nah, I find it to be awful. People need a redemptive quality in their whatever their... That's why people love Tony Soprano or the guy from Breaking Bad, right? They're evil characters, and there's no hope, but they give a sense of redemption

that people strive for. Woman says, my work is offering a $200 drawing by turning in a copy of a vax card but does that mean to take it away from you or that like they'll pull it out and then say you won copy of your vax card so you photocopy it oh a copy throw it in the hat and i missed that one you should read more um 200 bucks i'd throw my card in there yeah if i had one there's nothing on it but i'd throw my card in there. Yeah. If I had one. There's nothing on it, but I'd throw it in. All right.

The Citizen Journalist says, Tim, I want to thank you. You really inspired me. I've officially launched thecitizenjournalist.ca and have published my first article about a Canadian-wide nurse walkout in a rally against vaccine mandates and passports. Awesome. Nice. Sweet. All right.

Roger Iser says, on Mark Levin's radio show earlier, he had on Larry Elder. Larry mentioned that Dianne Feinstein's health was not good. Guess who gets to pick the Senate seat if she's not present? Governor Elder. Whoa. If he wins, yeah. He's doing well in the polls. Well, right now, they're swinging a little bit towards Newsom.

But the race is already on. And I looked at, I've been tracking the political data for returned mail-in ballots, and I got to say, it seems really bad for Democrats. The reason is, right now, 53% of ballots returned are Democrat ballots. Then you've got 47%, which are a mix of independent and Republican. Among independents, about two-thirds don't favor Democrats. So if we were to just extrapolate off of the top-level data,

Democrats do have a substantial lead. But to say that Republicans are at 40%, perhaps, in terms of return mail-in ballots, Republicans vote on Election Day, not by mail. So that's what we might end up seeing as come September 14th, a major burst of all the remaining Republicans and not enough Democrats.

But Democrats will come out, too. So we'll see. We'll see. I just want to know who the Californian is who look around and is like, this is good. The meme with the fire, right? You'd be surprised. There's more. I have anecdotal data. I'm saying that as sort of an oxymoron.

I have anecdotes of people saying that Democrats they know in California are like, I'm voting to recall. I don't care. Just, yeah. Because he's corrupt. They don't care who it is. Larry Elder will only be there for a year and he won't have that much power um but they're like anything's better than newsom at this point and gavin's kind of kind of scary like he does remind me of patrick bateman yeah we talked about that last time he really is

uncomfortable let's say this let's say that all independents and republicans are like i'm not voting for this guy we want to recall and 53 of Democrats all say we want Newsom to stay. That's 53 to 47. And that's mail-in votes so far that I think it stands to reason, because independents are underrepresented here, that come election day, Republicans will find that boost in percentage to flip this. They need only to swing about 3.1%. However, when you factor in the fact that many Democrats also don't like Newsom and may actually vote to recall, the actual in favor of Newsom vote might only be 52, 51, 50, 49. It could be 20 for all we know. So I would just say based off the current levels, I think it's actually good news for Republicans, but it's not by no means a guarantee and may still. I actually think the probability is in Newsom's favor, to be honest.

I don't wish any ill on Senator Feinstein. I'm just wondering how old she is. I know she's 88. 88? She's 88? Whoa! Born 1933. Wow.

I mean, I remember when she ran last time, people said, really? What year? She wasn't up this last time. I think it was 18. I think she must have been up. What year was she born? 1933. 1933.

Does that mean she was old enough to be doing the Lindy Hop? Yeah, I think so. I think she was too old. My parents did the Lindy Hop, and they were born much after that. She was probably in her, I guess, 35-year-old Lindy Hop. But yeah, she was probably...old Lindy Hop. But yeah, she was probably... The Lindy Hop.

What about the Charleston? No, that came out in the Roaring Twenties, which we're having now. So maybe her older sisters or something did the... But that means

when she was a little kid... We'll do it later on the... We'll have to reinvent it for the new decade. When she was a little kid, her parents were... It's like when your parents played Led Zeppelin

for you or whatever or I don't know what did they play for you yeah like the music of like the 50s and 60s yeah yeah

Talking Heads a lot of Talking Heads Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young Springsteen love those vocal hymns generational your parents were listening to Springsteen

oh yeah pretty cool parents are your parents like my age well one parent actually my mom she just played Springsteen? Oh, yeah. My parents were here. Are your parents like my age? Well, one parent, actually. My mom. She just played Springsteen and Bryan Adams on repeat. Pretty good, actually.

That's awesome. I feel like I was listening to Springsteen and Bryan Adams. Am I old enough to be your dad? No. I remember Cat Stevens, Zeppelin, Three Dog Night. Good band. Three Dog Night was great. They're great, yeah. CCR. Jeremiah. Oh, yeah. CCR.

Oh, yeah. That's good music. Did you see ABBA's coming out with a new album today? What? Yes. Which everyone loves ABBA. Everyone jokes that they hate it, but everyone loves ABBA. There's great ABBA documentaries.

I hate ABBA. Watch some documentaries because they are cool. They're really cool people. Let's read this one. We got Anthony Epley says, on PTSD and childhood trauma. It's true. Look up Dr. John L. Riggs and his studies dealing with veterans. Also, he did a little stint with Lee Oyster Cult and is a lie.

Oyster Cult is big about explaining to veterans that no matter your age, you can still go forward and do more in your life. Very cool. Crichton says, there is news that the governor of Washington state is considering a nationwide mandate that you must show

you are vaccinated to enter any bar or restaurant. Our state is trying to be more left than NY or CA. Statewide. Yeah, I saw that.

Statewide. Yeah. Oh, man. John McHugh says, Joe Rogan is already feeling better and has more viewers in the media bashing him.

And that's why they bash him. Yeah. I thought it was funny when I was like reading all these articles and I'm like, man, Joe Rogan's Instagram video has more views than all of those articles combined. This whole thing has made me wonder if he's actually become uncancellable. I think he has. Is he? Is he resistant to cancel? But I actually think we're getting to a point where cancel culture is failing.

Because it concerns me as the banks. If the banks make it so you can't have a bank account anymore. Yeah, but crypto. Right. Like, I don't care. Yeah, but there's a level of not even convenience of just functionality. The banks, but also the apps, right? There are people who Uber won't let them have their download.

PayPal won't let them use their app because of their politics. And so how do you survive in modern? I just said so casually if the banks cancel you. That's like a violation of human rights in my opinion. Absolutely. We have a correction. Ian Shop says, for your information, Regeneron is the manufacturer of the monoclonal antibody. It's not the name of the product.

Okay, yes, stand corrected. That was a mistake. Because everybody kept saying Regeneron. There's a really funny video, a super compilation of Trump. And it's like a super cut. And it's supposed to be like an 80s commercial where he's like, Regeneron! And then it's like, you know, just like an 80s commercial you'd see on TV.

It's really funny. Like Max Hedrum. I thought Regeneron was what Dee was selling in Always Sunny in Philadelphia when she got caught in the Ponzi scheme. That does sound right. Do you remember that episode? Yeah, I need to watch that again.

Yeah, it's a great show. Horrible. I can only watch a few episodes. Talk about no redeeming qualities. Oh my gosh. It's coming back, too. Is it? Yeah, new season. Thank goodness no redeeming qualities. Oh, cringe. Oh, my gosh. It's coming back, too. Is it? Yeah, new season. Thank goodness. Oh, cool. We need it. We do, yeah.

DW says, The Donald split in 2020 when we were banned from Reddit. Patriots.win is under investigation and based out of the UK. Find the real mod team and community at SaveAmericaChat.com. Also, JoeKent2022. Wait, you're saying that Patriots.win has run out of the UK? What? It's like Pirate Radio.

That's what... So the Donald became... Yeah, the Donald on Reddit. But it became... They went to their own website,.win. Oh, okay. So now they're saying it's run out of the UK, so it's not run by Americans. Is that what's happening? Interesting. Morgan Dawson says, can I get a shout out to a mom and pop

skate shop burning spider stoke company in kc they're pressing their own boards now by american made that is absolutely correct by american made that's right cool pressing boards that sounds cool yeah yeah yeah i always try when we were doing custom boards to buy american made ones because you know they do they take the wood from canada ship it to china make a board ship it to the u.s stupidest thing i ever heard i just pay somebody to make it here i don't mind paying more for american that's what we got to do because you're investing in yourself and your country and it's worth it people got to do it all right let's see molan labbe says tim community also has a different indication of use age 16 and older per fact sheet in FDA, while Pfizer EUA vaxes age 12 and older.

The confusion may be to protect Pfizer from legal liability, but who knows? Seems weird. Or it might just be that community is a marketing product with a legal distinction, so it's approved, and they're keeping the EUA because it's for 12 and older and community isn't.

It seems really weird. Honestly, it might just be a remnant of vestigial bureaucracy that they did it this way. Because when they say the vaccine can be used interchangeably, I'm like, okay, so what's the big deal? Would the other ones lose EUA, I guess?

I don't know. I have no idea. I think someone's going to make a lot of money off the name community. Could be wrong about that. I wish't know. I have no idea. I think someone's going to make a lot of money off the name Comirnaty. Could be wrong about that. I wish I would have bought the URL. I'm just imagining... Spike Facts from Moderna.

That's a way better name. What is Comirnaty? I don't even know how to pronounce it. Imagine the commercial where it's like some chat bro and he's like, Spike Facts! He punches a brick wall. Explosion. car flips over for

no yeah spike spike vax sunday sunday sunday i love it x says frankly the six weeks is too short ovulation is like two weeks after last period but they count from last period a lot of women will have less than two weeks to make their choice eight to twelve weeks is better but the issue isn't the laws in about six weeks it's about heartbeat as soon as the heartbeat is detected they they can't do anything so age 12 weeks wouldn't work because i'd always be a heartbeat that's what what mother hears the heartbeat and goes oh no kid like i just i can't wrap my head around that yeah i know I know that there are some people in very desperate situations, and, you know, they might end up losing their own life. I understand that. But just like you were saying, Tim, just for the sake of destroying, I don't understand that.

It goes back to how I was saying earlier, man, I think that people are two different things. We've got the compassionate thinking beings, and then we've got this wild, almost stupid animal that we're, we're like, we're these intelligent things inside of these wild things. Like the, the brain brainstem creature is like the thinking, compassionate part of us. And then this body is dangerous and violent,

stinky, and it gets feelings. Wet. Yeah. Wet, sloppy, moist, moist.

All right. We got a, a me boy, Adrian Curry as a woman if you haven't figured out you're pregnant by the sixth week and aborted you deserve to have a baby interesting take I kind of share

that yeah I'm inclined to agree maybe three months six weeks three months I would say Adam Fritz says Tim my two-year-old loves watching Mr. Tim every night and named his stuffed dog after you thanks for all you do bringing reason to effing madness. Please shout out the Salty Army. We're here for you, man.

Thanks. Right on. Thank you, Salty Army. I want to see a picture of that stuffed dog. Yeah, people keep posting salt shakers in the chat. I'll get salty. Anon Nobody says, Ian Crossland, if life begins at conception would you feel different

i.e a constitutional right to hit on lydia's point there are studies that prove there was less abortions prior to roe v wade there was a lot of lies around abortion um no it wouldn't make me feel different because i think murder and killing are different and destroying something that's alive is different than murdering a human so So at some point, I start to consider the zygote a human, but it's just at what point? I don't necessarily think it's. I think it's brain activity. That's my personal belief. All right.

Let's see what we got here. Ora Kurena says, Tim, the argument you made about women and abortion does not take in the responsibility of the woman and her choices. Texas law make it safe and rare. No, I agree with that. Like, I really thought I had a great conversation with Glenn Beck because I just like, he would make all these good points. I'm like, wow, those are really great points. I don't know how I reconcile government. Still don't know.

Yeah, I just don't. It's a great conversation. I don't know. It's like, wow. And I'm like, wow, that's really important. Yes, the woman made a choice. She wasn't using contraception. She got pregnant.

There are two people involved. They're now responsible. Someone mentioned that when you put someone in a position where they're dependent upon you, you're responsible for them. Like if you caused it. Like if you got into a car accident and you caused it, you'd have to pay the person. And sometimes you got to pay for the rest of your life. And I'm like, that's actually a good point. But then, man, I don't know. Someone online, following the argument, someone on Twitter said, you know, if women can't

have an abortion, then we need a law. I think it meant to be snarky, but then we need a law that says the men that got the woman pregnant should be responsible. And I was like, yes. I love that law. I love that. Absolutely.

Yes. Yeah. Like, you should be on. I mean, it's not. It does take two to tango. It sure does. So absolutely. Yes.

They thought they were being snarky. Exactly. Did something. The old shotgun wedding legalized. That's right. I just got a new shotgun also. I can officiate. Turtleburger says, why does the choice in pro-choice never apply to the choice to get pregnant?

The government doesn't mandate pregnancy. Why not pro-responsibility instead of stopping a heartbeat to remedy regret? I agree with that. So the issue I brought up earlier to address the previous point about women's choices is that let's say there's a genuine circumstance where the woman has a real exemption and then she has to submit why she's going through this to the government the government says no we deny that you know what i mean i'm just like if if i had to go to the doctor and the doctor gave me recommendation i don't want to have to then follow up with like a no state appointed representative to go follow the paperwork and then be like here's why the doctor and the doctor gave me a recommendation, I don't want to have to then follow up with a state appointed representative to go file the paperwork

and then be like, here's why the doctor wants to do this procedure on my balls. You know what I mean? It's like that. And then they could be like, I don't agree that you should do this. So I'm going to deny it. And I'd be like, dude. Based on this, you should be getting this thing. We're going to suggest that you have this operation instead. And you're like, well,

I don't like it. And I don't like government. I think abortion as contraception is just like morally repugnant and wrong. I totally agree on that. But then it's just like, man, I have no remedy because I know people abuse the system. You give them options. You're like, we're

going to try and be right with these exemptions. And they lie. And it's just like the conclusion that I reached is that this is a heavily cultural issue and you cannot change it from the top down. And I feel like everyone who's arguing about it is saying that we need to use the government to enforce this. No, we need to change the way people think

about having children and raising families. And I don't know how to do that. Like this? TV shows like this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Having conversations, definitely. It's Me says, so if you get drunk and drive, killing someone, it's just an accident because you're not responsible for actions beforehand. If you have sex, you know the possibility of pregnancy, not responsible for actions.

It's a good point, and so I guess maybe there's an analogy there where it's like the government goes to you and says, you're not allowed to drive because we've seen on social media you drink a lot and we're worried you might be a drunk driver so today you're not going to be driving red flag law we're taking your license yeah like red flag laws we've determined that you may actually be crazy even though we we haven't you know we've got a warrant so we're taking your guns away because the government has a right to intervene when it comes to health issues and you're a danger to other people and they're like oh when you got three women pregnant against their will on accident,

we're going to order a vasectomy for you. Like, come on. Get the government off our back right now. Yeah, slippery slope arguments are often like people roll their eyes at them. But come on. We've seen the slippery slope abused way too much by government. But I do respect, you know, like the Mises caucus guys, pro-life. Their argument makes sense, you know.

I just, I don't know, man. Pro-life, like, get the government to make it illegal type stuff? That's libertarian? The libertarian party is pro-choice. But the Mises caucus is pro-life. Because they believe that if the government has any job, it's to protect life. To make sure that... They gotta define life, that's for sure.

But they have a definition of life. Heartbeat? Animal? No, I think conception. Conception is their definition? I don't know their definition okay but i i i i think anybody who argues life does not begin at conception is just lying to you that's just that's where else would it start i don't really understand i guess right it just i guess it's a political argument human life they're talking about protecting human life yeah not. Not deer, not bees, and not zygotes.

Because a zygote could be any animal. You don't know what kind of animal it is until later in its gestation. Sure, but a human, there's not like a lizard

in a woman's womb. You know what I mean? You just don't, scientifically they're identical. Zygotes are identical. You don't know until later. Inside a woman's womb is not going to be

a lizard zygote. Well, obviously, but not 100%. Although I did see... I did watch V when I was a kid, and so... A lot of weird stuff. Evan Perry says, My birth mother aborted the eldest,

and it caused her to rethink her choice, which is why myself and my older brother are here today. My adopted mother can't give birth, and not aborting us worked well. There's always very serious issues especially when it comes to like down syndrome one of the biggest reasons they say they should be abortion is for down syndrome and it's like that's eugenics totally i'm not i'm not saying that to be like ah it's no it's literally you're like we've we've looked at we've done the test and the genetic

code reveals it's going to be this way and you're like remove it i uh i looked at that sorry sorry there are people with down syndrome who are functioning members like people with down syndrome are functioning members of society yeah there was this guy who was speaking at a hearing was at a congressional it was at the u.n with down syndrome and he was like you wanted to kill me like i'm here right now i'm successful and there are multiple cases of misdiagnosed down syndrome uh and then the baby is born and they're like, oh my gosh, you don't have Down syndrome. Daniel, it's not multiple cases.

It's 5%. If you're against the death penalty because 4% of the time they think it's wrong but you're okay with them aborting babies who are misdiagnosed with Down syndrome 5% of the time,

I think you need to rethink that. What do they end up having if not Down syndrome? They have nothing. They don't have anything. They're born. They're just misdiagnosed. They get it wrong sometimes.

I do not understand the argument about incest and rape. It's such a tiny thing. I almost put on Twitter today, and I decided not to just because I was being too much of an idiot to begin with, but I almost put on, which I can do, of saying, I understand get rid of the Down syndrome baby because they're going to have a tough life, but you know what? It was really tough being a gay kid. So if you diagnose your baby with, like, a gay gene, because we're born this way,

I would be okay with aborting the gay fetuses just because I don't really come across – people don't know I'm gay. I don't talk about it. But I was waiting to see the replies of people being like, yeah. But what's to stop it? Because Down syndrome is a very difficult life for those kids to a point.

So is a lot of things. So is ugly. And boy, and they're hard to look at. So abort the ugly babies. But the left doesn't believe being gay is a choice. It's not a choice.

You're born this way. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was wrong. The left believes being gay is a choice. Sorry. They actually do.

Yeah, they think it's a social construct. The difference being gay is a choice that's a sorry they actually do yeah they think it's a social construct well that's why the difference between gay is are you having sex with a guy or do you want like what makes you gay

having sex with a guy having sex with a guy or a guy wanting to have sex with a guy no no that's a serious question we're gonna yeah

what's the difference this is a family friendly show so how about we talk about super chats and maybe we'll talk about that okay cool wrap that up perfect

because you're getting way too yeah it's more the the philosophy of what it means to be gay. But we should abort them. Alright, let's see. A lot of people are saying, like,

I disagree with Ian. They're very, very polite. Each and every one, they're like, Ian, I disagree with you and humbly respect your right to have your opinion. I 100% believe you, too. Everybody's very... No, it is true. Most of them are just like, Ianan let me try to explain to you and you need to understand but they're nice and smart i like them like i said this was a very civil conversation about abortion i'm not surprised your audience is nice we have a great audience

we'll save it for the uh oh three ks says the only reason i need to care about a stranger murdering a child is that someone has to stand up for that child and defend someone that cannot defend themselves good people defend the defenseless whether you know them or not yep all right atarka says adoption is another problem needs to be fixed before i believe abortion uh before i believe abortion gets rid of because that system is broken as well until then it should stay but not be abused you know what really annoys me about the the pro-abortion crowd is that they just lie about what pro-lifers believe like i can talk to a conservative and they'll be like here's my opinions on pro-life and i'm like oh i understand that and then i talk to a liberal and they're

like well it's because they're racist and they hate brown people and i'm like that that's not what they said well they're lying to you i'm like but their argument has been replicated over and over by so many different people and in different publications. Is it just this big conspiracy of right-wing media to claim one thing but do another? They all secretly know that behind the scenes they have these deep, dark, racist beliefs, but they never espouse them? Yes. I'm like, what?

Yo, you're lying to me. Like, I can disagree with someone and be like, I sit here, I disagree. But thanks for the conversation. Not with whatever that is. There was a great retweet by, who retweeted this? Someone retweeted something. I'm forgetting your name.

Sorry. I'm forgetting who retweeted it because I just saw the retweet. Phil Labonte, that's who retweeted it. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was Michelle Wolf

was her name I think. Oh yeah. Where she came out and she was like, you're getting an abortion and you're getting an abortion. And he retweeted someone who said, I used to be pro-choice, but I changed my mind after seeing this.

I saw that on Twitter. I think you retweeted it. I saw that. I retweeted it, too. I was in that boat, yeah. Because I was just like, shout your abortion, or like the salute to the, yeah. Nothing about being pro-choice encourages someone to get an abortion.

Yeah, that's not right. You mentioned the adoption industry. I think the average right now is for every one child for adoption, there are 26 couples looking for that. Yes. There are serious problems in the abortion system,

and I do agree we need to fix that. Yeah, but I mean, and obviously, I mean, those 26 couples rotate, but one child for 26 people who want a child is a huge need for children.

Zach Tokar says, support Project Veritas after their HQ got destroyed by the storm. I didn't hear that. That's terrible. We will be supporting them and helping them out. Absolutely. I'll look into that and we'll check it out at the show. Sonny James says, Ian might look into pre-birth memories or experiences.

Oh my gosh. They almost overwhelmingly have the feeling of not wanting to be born and recollect angst at the pain of being born of the world. That being said, I'm pro-life. NDEs get all the credit. What is that true? That's crazy.

I love that. Actually, go ahead. I was in the womb and I was like, my mom was going through labor for like 26 hours with me and I wouldn't come out. And they were like, okay, we're going to do a C-section. And then I immediately turned around and came out. Like, all right. It was like, I just did not want to leave.

And I feel like I remember that. It's my understanding that children aren't actually supposed to be born at nine months. In a perfect world, they would be born at 12 months. Really? Yes. Because they're technically not ready. That's why those first three months are so strange and they're so fragile and they sleep a lot and all that stuff. Because

the woman's body literally cannot give birth at 12 months. It's impossible. But in a perfect world, they would stay in the womb for 12 months. That's why those first three months are so crazy. That makes a lot of sense. You look at a normal animal get born, like the little chicks. And you know, when my chicks hatched, I was like, well, we have to put it near the mom

because it has to nurse. And as I'm saying it, like oh my god it's a chick it doesn't nurse right like but like the little chick is born and a second later it's pecking water and it's pecking but like i i watched my sheep get born and within four minutes they're like up and they're walking and then a baby is born as you experience and it's like they're useless for the yeah big heads thinking about those denisovans one of our ancient hominid ancestors like the The baby is born as you experience, and it's like they're useless for the soul. We've got big brains. Yeah, big heads. Thinking about those Denisovans, one of our ancient hominid ancestors like the Neanderthals, but they were huge.

They were really big, and they probably gave birth at 12 months. I don't know, but maybe that's part of our... All right, we'll do a couple more here. Maybe they did. Vet Wolfpack says, Ian, the right to life is the very first right ever enumerated by the founding fathers. It was quantified in the Declaration of Independence. All right. No Way says, take some time and look into the replication crisis.

It's an ongoing issue that many fundamental studies in many domains of science cannot be replicated, meaning they may be totally inaccurate. I have heard about that. It's really interesting. All right. Let's see. Maybe we'll just get one more. Brian Percival Wolfrick Abbaforth Snape says,

I beg you to read this. I am a former Marine. I don't have PTSD because of the things I have seen. I have it because of the things I have done. Oh, wow. Yeah, Jordan Peterson talks about that. Yeah, there you go. Yikes.

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That was so cheesy, didn't it? I talked about Adam Kokesh a few days ago on the show. And if you don't know who Adam Kokesh is, he's like a, I guess you call him an activist. He served in the military, came back 2008 from Iraq. He was very vocal about it. And he tweeted at me. It was like, hey, you got some things wrong. I just wanted to clarify, Adam, if you're listening.

I said that what he did is he went to D.C. with a shotgun and protested. They used that as probable cause to searches. I said apartment. It was a house, I believe, not an apartment. And then I said that they found psilocybin mushrooms. It was true. And then he went to prison. He actually went to jail, not prison, for four months, Virginia jail, not an apartment. Then I said that they found suicide mushrooms. It was true, and that he went to prison. He actually went to jail, not prison, for four months. Virginia jail, another jail. Then I said

it looked like when he got out, he was browbeaten and a different person. What happened is he got shadow banned. He has a channel called Adam vs. The Man that has 260,000 subscribers, and the videos get 600 views. They put him on some sort of... I just thought he gave up.

His show's actually really good. It's still And I just thought he gave up. But he's just... And his show is actually really good. I mean, it's still Adam. But also, Adam, he seems like he's chilled out over the years. He was very fiery and angry when I first saw him. Now he's not. He's more of like a wizened kind of speaker.

And I took that as that the government did it to him. I think he's just evolved. Adam, I love you. Adam versus the man. Rock and roll. Awesome. And I wanted to announce you guys, today is our 365th

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