Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #380 - National Guard Will Replace Nurses Fired For Refusing Vaccine Mandate w/Robert Murphy

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join libertarian and economist Robert Murphy to assess the news of New York's new governor flexing her powers to fire healthcare workers who refuse the Covid vaccine and bring in National Guard to perform nurses' tasks, Germany's choices to move control of housing from companies to the state, Texas' considerations of secession, and how that is similar to and different from New Hampshire's similar plans, the GOP blocking a Democratic bill to raise the debt ceiling and stave off a government shutdown, and how the Federal Reserve creates money out of nothing, Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So we already heard that up in the Northeast, National Guard would be deployed to drive school buses due to the driver shortage. We're hearing just across the pond over in the UK, they're preparing to deploy their army because there's no more truck drivers to deliver petrol. And now there's huge lines outside of stores, panic buying. And now we heard the governor of New York say the vaccine mandate is going into effect tonight, which means many nurses will be terminated. When asked, what will you do to alleviate the shortage? She said that she's going to enact an executive order, giving her the authority to do a variety of things, one of which would be to deploy medically trained National Guard to fill many of these roles. Now, of course, there are a lot of people who are cheering for this and blaming the unvaccinated.

But this is the government continually putting National Guardsmen into private sector roles because I can only say it seems like we're in a downward spiral. Things are kind of falling apart. Not to mention we got the whole gas shortages here in this country, driver shortages, labor shortages, food shortages. You can't even go to some restaurants because they don't even have chicken in some places. Now they've switched from like, well, I can't remember what commercial it was. They were like, we don't have wings anymore. We have thighs because there's a wing shortage. I don't know

how that's going because it seems like it's kind of gotten a little bit better in some areas, but still seems to be getting overall worse. And now we got this $3.5 trillion budget. The Republicans are saying we're not going to sign off on it, but maybe just a stalling tactic. So we're going to figure out what all this means. We got an expert to help us understand what all this means. My understanding is that you're a doctor, Robert Murphy. You have a PhD in economics. That's exactly right. Yeah. Although the understanding is that you're a doctor, Robert Murphy. You have a Ph.D. in economics? That's exactly right, yeah.

Although the joke is I'm not the doctor that helps people. It's one of those Ph.D. It's a Ph.D. Ah, yes. Do you want to just, quick introduction? Sure, sure. Thanks for having me. I'm Robert Murphy, senior fellow with the Mises Institute,

author of the book Choice, put up by the Independent Institute, and most recently of, I call it common sense, the case for an independent Texas. Oh, okay. Interesting. So I think you'll have some really good insights on government authority and overreach as well as economics, which will be perfect for what's happening in the news today.

So thanks for hanging out. Thanks for having me. We got Ian. Oh, hello, everyone. Ian Crossland here. Happy to be here. Good to see you, Bob, Tim, Lydia. Hello.

Hello. Speaking of Lydia, I'm also here in the corner. And I was telling Bob earlier that between being a libertarian and being an economist, he has something to say about everything that's happening today. So I'm very excited for this conversation. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Creepy stuff. Joe Biden saying 98% got to get vaccinated before we can finally wind things down. It's like, oh, OK, before it was 70, then it was 80.

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Press that AP writes it and then it gets picked up by a bunch of different outlets. But I noticed that they're, you know, based on what Kathy Hochul said, governor of New York, versus what they're writing in news stories, I think they're kind of playing this soft. She may deploy the National Guard to assist with health care vaccine mandate. It's not her first plan. And it's only in the event she has to fire all these people over the vaccine mandate, which sounds like their intent is to do it. We heard something similar in the UK when they said we may deploy the army to drive trucks. The UK, one of the officials said, we have no plans to do this, but we're preparing to do it. You see, it's word games when she comes out and says that she's going to enact a state of emergency, granting her

the power to deploy medically trained National Guard because they're going to be firing nurses. I mean, that's straight up stating their intent to do so. I don't think it's fair to then be like, they might not do it anyway. Well, a lot of people might not do anything. You know, Michael Bloomberg comes out and says, I'm going to tax soda. He might do it. Well, you literally said he was going to do it. So let's talk about what their intent is and the line they're drawing, as well as how far

they're pushing us towards authoritarianism. So what I see as truly interesting about this and what's happening, and I think it's in Massachusetts, I'm not sure, maybe it was Rhode Island, where they're getting rid of the, where they're not getting rid of, they're sending in the National Guard to drive buses for school, for school for schoolchildren because of the problems caused by the politicians destroying the private sector. Like this is the perfect example. We're going to mandate a medical procedure with no exceptions, no testing exemptions, just straight up do it without legislative without legislative approval. Then when the market collapses, they're going to send in government agents to replace them.

It sounds a bit like – I don't want to say fascism because that implies kind of an ultra-traditionalist. This is kind of like Chinese state communism style. So you're an economist, Robert. What are your thoughts on this stuff? Yeah, what I was going to say is exactly what you anticipated, that, yes, standard operating procedure. The government lays down down some legislation, or at least you're saying it wasn't even legislation necessarily, just make some rules. Edict. Edict, yes. Causes problems and then says, oh, well, gee, now that there's this problem, the free market can't solve it, so I guess we've got to come in as the savior.

And I don't like this idea that, oh, whenever something isn't getting done, just send in the military because they know how to do everything apparently. And as we know, if you want to get something done well and efficiently and with courtesy, you send in troops. Like, who else would you want to be, you know, driving your school kids around except the National Guard? This reminds me of a Ryan Long sketch

where it was Antifa window repair. So it's like, they dress up like Antifa and go around in the riot smash windows and the next day show up and say, hey, we can fix your windows. That's basically what we're seeing. They're like,

unfortunately, all these nurses have chosen to do the, have not chosen to do the right thing. Oh, no. Now the government has to come in to clean up the mess. So we're seeing it with a lot of things. I mean, in terms of the authoritarian takeover, like, I don't know if you've been seeing

what's going on in Australia. Have you been? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you see this video that's going viral? I don't know if you saw it, Ian or Lydia, where it's like a guy sitting in a fountain smoking a cigarette, and the cops come up and just throw him to the ground. There's like seven cops, and this woman's yelling, what are you doing, leave him alone, and he has no reason to be here. It's like he went out for a walk and wasn't wearing a mask.

He was smoking a cigarette, and the cops are like, we don't care. So that's kind of the direction we're heading in. it's it's so it's it's it's interesting that we're seeing a combination of maybe it's not interesting the the government takeover is hitting both the you know the economy and law enforcement i guess so we're getting edict and we're getting our we're having our economy shut down so yeah my concern beyond you know the specifics of this and the injustice to the people involved is just the broader point i to me i think what they're trying to do is get the public more familiar with just seeing guys with big guns walking around you know taking charge of the situation like moving it towards what would be called a police state so something

that you know decades ago americans would have thought that'll never happen here they're not in other words they're not just going to say oh oh, we're doing this because it's Big Brother here is watching you. They can't literally go from that from a Tuesday to a Wednesday, but they do this. So, you know, oh, National Guard, well, no, they're just driving school buses because those people won't get vaccinated. So, of course, they've got to do that and just get us used

to seeing guys and camo walking around. Yeah, isn't it amazing how kind of desensitized everyone's become to a lot of this stuff? I remember I was in New York, and I was walking past Grand Central Station, and the cops that are there, they're fully decked out in full armor. They look like stormtroopers, and they've got probably selective fire rifles of some sort. And I was just like, man, that's a crazy sight.

And they have dogs, and they're standing next to the entrances, and I'm like, do we really need that, I guess? Yeah, so I went to grad school nyu so in 9-11 you know i was i was there i mean it wasn't literally i was across new jersey but yeah for um i think months after i forget exactly when they phase it out but yeah there were you know armored personnel carriers just on the streets guys walking around with big guns and you're sort of used to it you know and i and i realized like oh this is what america would look like you know down the road if if americans let it go that way and it looks like

they're they are letting it go that way yeah and then you know i've been hearing from a lot of people a lot of uh military officers resigning a lot of police officers are resigned that's another big story a couple dozen i guess dozens they say of police in massachusetts are resigning over the vaccine mandates so i mean can i just ask you, and I think you alluded to it a minute ago, the thing about this that I haven't seen more people bringing up is just on its surface. I understand that, yeah, especially in health care, people with certain conditions, they might be genuinely concerned. I don't want a nurse dealing with me who hasn't been vaccinated.

But wouldn't it also be good just to show, i had this like that i have antibodies like to me that would be a more important test to say yeah i had covid three months ago i beat it and yet i don't even see that being discussed well let alone like addressed and dealt with when they say we don't care about negative tests when they say they don't care about antibodies they're saying this has nothing to do with the infection has everything to do with the infection has everything to do with control right i mean they can come out and say all day and night that this is about public health and i'm like then wouldn't you actually follow the science but they don't they don't do that the science uh the science in many instances there has been a lot of

science that should and could and should be questioned yet Yet what do you get? Censorship? So, all right, shout out to Ryan Long again because he has a sketch where he just put out today, I think, called like Trust the Experts or whatever, where he comes out

and he's like, all the experts agree. And then, you know, his buddy walks up, I think Danny's his name, and he's like, I'm an expert and I read the data

and came to a slightly different conclusion than Ryan Long because he's punching him and he's like, shut up and kicking him. He's like, the experts agree.

That's basically what we're seeing. What I was going to say about the police resigning over vaccine mandates. You mentioned, you know, people getting used to seeing, you know, cops out in the street and things like this. It really is amazing to me how far we've gone, where I can talk to my friends who weren't very political. And I'll say, like, if I would have told you three years ago they'd bar people from leaving their homes, that they'd be mandating you get a medical procedure, albeit a small one. I'm not saying they're going to cut out your appendix or anything.

Otherwise you can't work and that we'd see widespread riots and there would be – nobody would believe it. Nobody would believe it. Nobody would believe it. If I told you that the government would deploy tens of thousands of National Guards surrounding the Capitol with fences, they'd be like, I'll get out of here. If I said there would be people storming, no one would believe any of it. It's all been so chaotic. People are desensitized. And now we're at the point where the good cops who are like, you can't make us do this, and this is not constitutional, are all resigning. But there are cops who are staying, and those cops are not going to be the good cops who are like, I'm not going to enforce that when that crosses the line.

What we're going to be left with is a military of a bunch of people saying, I don't know, just following orders. And a bunch of police saying, I don't know, just following orders. And then what do we get? Yeah, I think that's what concerns me too, you know, about like the advertising, like the woke advertising for the the you know the woke advertising for the cia and all that and they're that they're making it the case that after they get rid of you know the questionables and the people with these domestic ties and so forth that they're going to replace them with the right kind of people who are then going to implement these

because right now you're right the sort of top-down commands that they want to issue there'd be a lot of resistance or hesitancy to enforce this stuff. But I think they're looking ahead and saying, no, we got plans in place so that five years from now, the personnel staffing these organizations are not going to be the ones that were here. So they will follow those orders. One thing that's interesting to me, though, is that often powerful interests, special interests, politicians use economics as a means of controlling the system, right? How do you make someone behave the way you want?

Well, you tax their item. Michael Bloomberg was like, we're going to tax large sodas so people are stupid and fat so that way they won't buy them and things like that. Tax cigarettes, tax gasoline. In this instance, they're going over authoritarianism. I wonder if – would you agree they typically use economic power to pressure people and well i think you're right even in this instance though in other words instead of washington just saying every american you know except for many people with certain

exceptions because of vulnerability has to get this vaccine there's no we're not saying that we're just saying if you want to work at a large organization yeah you're free you're free to not have an income yeah yeah you're free to go go into the woods. Right. I agree with that. You are. Yeah. And that's also like with the big tech. And so that's part of the way they're doing this is sort of an end run. And there's coercion involved. This isn't like a free market outcome.

But I think you're right that they realize it's easier to get someone to say, well, my boss is making me do it and I need my job. I got to support my kids. Whereas if we're just a matter of paying a fine and going to jail for 30 days they might you know stand up to the man i mean this is the crazy thing about it it's that we've become uh accustomed to acclimated and uh locked into in a sense right people are so used to living in climate controlled homes with refrigerators and microwave stoves natural gas easy access and supermarkets they're like I can't give that up. My kids need this. And I'm like, I don't know, 300 years ago, some dude was like forging through the weeds for food for his family.

And that being said, people today don't really have the ability to go and forage and farm on their own because land is owned and controlled by everybody. So we're at this point now where the planet's basically been labeled, you know, claimed by enough people or interests that if you did leave your job, what can you do? I mean, theoretically, you can go to like Charan in Mexico and then start figuring things out. You can go to the middle of nowhere. But if you have a family, you can't just take a claim anymore. You can't just go to landing back,

okay, I'm going to farm here and survive. Nope, they locked you in. So what do you do? Well, you can start a new career path as an Internet video blogger. True. Hopefully you did it two years ago because, you know, now you don't have much time to get it going if you're going to have to resign from your job. I don't know if you saw the conversation I had with Jack Murphy.

What was that? That was a week and a half ago or so. He was talking about how his kid wants to play, you know, college sports, varsity sports, and then college sports, and now they're saying, well, you've got to get vaccinated. So he's like about how his kid wants to play college sports, varsity sports and then college sports. And now they're saying, well, you got to get vaccinated. So he's like it's tyranny. He doesn't think the vaccine is going to hurt his kid or anything like that. He just thinks the government's going to force him to do it. And it's a difficult position where he doesn't want to tell his kid not to play baseball.

And my attitude was like, I think you should tell your kid not to play baseball. I think if you truly believe in it, you should stand up and say, I'm not. No, if there's, you know, the government isn't my doctor and shouldn't tell me, you know, what I'm supposed to be doing. The issue, you know, much bigger than just baseball is I saw, I saw a video of, uh, uh, it was a medical worker saying, you know, if I have to support my family, I can quit and then we're completely broke or I can get the vaccine. And so they were like, I guess I have no choice. And that's where people are at. The government is not only, I think this is a sign of how bad

it's really, really going to get. If they have people so constrained and so scared that they will undergo a medical procedure, then what else can they do? Get off the central electric grid, for starters. Get off the centralized fiat currency grid secondly so that means crypto solar power grow your own food get off the centralized food grid those are three things you can do homesteading you know getting get a place in the middle of

nowhere grow your own food get some chickens work on the internet chickens have a have small companies let's do lots and lots of small companies. Yeah, but what do people do? How much work being done by people is actually contributing to the lives of individuals, like food production and things like that, fuel? Most people, to be fair, we produce a relatively small amount of goods for people. I mean, I guess people can say that thought and planning, and this is the kind of stuff

that goes into fixing economies and making people live better, so it's good. But like, we're not fixing any toilets. We're not growing any bread. We're not feeding anybody. So I have many friends who work in the service industry, whether it's in food or like I used to work in a hospital, and they're saying that they're being required to get the vaccine. And when I read the numbers of Americans who live from paycheck to paycheck, it is not surprising to me at all that they're able to require this of people who really don't want it. Like I had a Facebook friend who

recently got it and she's like, you win Joe Biden, because I didn't, I have to do this to keep my career. And I was like, that's really sad. You shouldn't have to do that. But I also know that you have three kids, your husband can't work. And you know that if you don't take this shot, you will have to find an entirely different career. This job pays much better than working as a waitress or something. So I completely understand. It's a hard situation. I don't like that we're being put in it, but we're gonna have to figure out how to stand up to it. Yes, you guys are right that it's not literally impossible to avoid this stuff. But also too, just like you're saying like

that's part of the reason i think that they monopolize the money supply is because they knew you know what better way to put the screws to people right and so you know their high income tax and wow well let me just you know go outside the standard health care system well no you can't because there's the fda the cdc you can't just open up your own hospital and say hey here people don't need to be vaxxed you know That ultimately would be the solution in a genuinely free society. Because people say, oh, well, so should my kids not, what if they had the measles or something? And it's not that there's just some, from on high, some right thing to do.

It's like each building or each organization could set its own rules. Like you were saying, sports, they could decide, do the kids need to get something or not, to participate and you know they would have certain uniform requirements or what you know kid couldn't show up to play naked and play football you know of among other reasons because that's not sanitary right and so it's or kids bleeding out or something and said no no i want to play it's my decision my dad said i'm fine you know so there's things to do and the way to ultimately handle it is not us making a case by case but to have the organization set the rules the problem here is the government has got it's just tentacles and everything so much that they can kind of force this outcome

so we have the we have the story out of berlin that i think is a good segue berliners vote to expropriate large landlords in non-binding referendum non-binding okay i don't know if that really means anything's going to be accomplished, but they do say in the Reuters article that they say, campaigners hope the city will take control of some 240,000 departments.

That is to say they probably won't, but you have people in Berlin who are voting that these big companies that own, I think it's 550,000 apartment units, lose control of that and the public gains control of it. And the way I see it is it doesn't matter if it's the private sector or the public sector. When power is centralized, you will get tyranny.

So what we've been seeing in the U.S. is like that BlackRock fiasco. I don't know if you saw a lot about it. These large private investment firms buying up all the houses, offering up insane sums of money. There'll be a $200,000 house and a family will be like, we'll pay $200,000. And then some firm will come in and say, we'll do $230,000 because we can and we're rich and we know the value is going to go up because we're buying it all. You get to that point and you're like, okay, these massive out of control private entities need to have some kind of regulation or antitrust. On the other hand, what you see instead is that in Berlin, they're like, the government should take all of them, replacing one centralized

authority with another. So I don't know. I thought this was interesting for you, especially being, you know, a Mises Institute economist. What's your view on dealing with massive, out-of-control private organizations that are seizing the commons versus, you know, the left solution, which is government. Sure. So you had a key phrase there, you said out-of-control. So probably if you had asked me that 20 years ago, I would have said, oh, well, in a free market, it's good that a private corporation, if they buy it, it's not in their interest

to buy it if the price is going to crash later because then they lose money. So they only buy it if they think it's going to go up. And then that, you know, rationally allocates housing to the highest bidder. And that would all be true so long as they respected property rights and there was no bailouts of them when they get caught with their pants down. But as we see in practice, that isn't what happened. The housing boom years, you could say of a lot of those investors, why are they making such crazy – why are banks giving loans to people that they know?

They call them liar loans. They knew some of those mortgages that they were going to people who lied on the application. And when you push it, ultimately, it's largely because, you know, they knew they were going to get bailed out that, oh, Greenspan and then Bernanke, he wouldn't let the whole system go down. And so there were things like that in place. So I agree with you in the real world, the problem with big companies doing that is because it's not just promoting efficiency, because if they make a mistake, a lot of times taxpayers have to bail them out or the Federal Reserve.

And so, yeah, you're right. The way to solve that problem is not to then empower the government even more because they're ultimately the ones that keep that corrupt system in place. Yeah, that's what's funny. It's like we were talking about this in the previous segment that the government comes in and says, we're going to fire all the nurses. Oh, no. What do we do?

Well, I guess we'll send in the National Guard. It's like, well, you chose to do all of those things. So you destroy the economy. Men say, here's my solutions. Like, you punch the guy in the face and offer him the first aid kit. It's like, no, no, that's not acceptable. You can't do that. And in this capacity, you get these, I can't speak for Germany, but in the US, my understanding was that a lot of these large investment firms were getting bank loans and government funding and Fed dollars, were buying up the property, and their attitude was like, we don't care. We'll get bailed out if it screws up. So we're stealing from you no matter what. Right, exactly. So yeah, in a genuine free market, I would have no problem in principle with

them doing it because the only reason they would buy it is if they think the price is going to go higher and it's in their interest to not be consistently wrong about that and if the price does go higher than they did a service by you know reserving that for the person who wanted it more down the road but you're right but what do you what do you do if one company owns 80 of the property and the more like so the more property they own the more profit they generate the more property they buy until eventually one company owns every like all the houses in a city or something. Okay, so again, so long as they're not violating contracts, they're not stealing from people or whatever,

they're just buying and then they're only respecting the title that they actually acquired legitimately, the only way they could capture such market share is if somehow they're out-competing all the other speculators and housing developers who are trying to do that. Like back in the day, the reason Rockefeller got so big was he genuinely came up with efficiencies and delivered kerosene and petroleum at lower prices. And so then later, people could argue they did stuff with their money that they shouldn't have, that wasn't a market outcome. But originally, that's how he beat his competitors.

So per se, I don't have a problem with that. so if some company just starts taking over because you know they're really good at saying no this property is going to go up and they have a better eye for real estate you know i wouldn't want them to stop doing that but yeah i mean certainly at some point you just have a multi-billion dollar fund saying i don't care if it goes up i'll buy it anyway because i can because it doesn't affect our bottom line. And the more property you have, the better. And in fact, once they control a substantive portion of the market, can't they then manipulate the market?

Would there need to be a point at which the government can do something? So I would reject the idea that at some point they don't care. I don't think Warren Buffett buys stocks and I don't care whether they go up or down because I'm so rich. Now, you're right. He might be able, because I'm so rich. Now you're right. He might be able, because he's so big now, to do things. Like, the fear of the fact that he likes a stock,

that might make the price go up. And so that does kind of change the analysis. It's definitely true they don't care. It's not that they don't care about, like I'm saying, they're like, oh no, I'm going to lose money, but don't care. It's mostly that they're like, look,

if I can afford to buy 10 houses, yeah, one of them might go down, but whatever. You know, like I'm going to diversify. I'm going to buy as much as I can and hope that overall out of, out of my 10 houses, six gain in value. And if the four that go down, hopefully the gains outweigh the losses. So then you'll end up with someone saying, you know what, this might be a risky buy, but I can handle the risk because I've got such massive wealth from all the property I own already. I can take the risk. A regular person can't do that. So then you end up with an organization that can come in and say, $200,000 house for this middle-class working, you know, this working family, we'll give you two 10. And then the

seller is going to be like two 10s better for me. But then what happens when the middle-class doesn't own any wealth, they can't transfer anything to their kids you end up with like chinese style state communism so so i i suppose you know to go back you had asked me you know at some point is it justified for the state to come in and so i guess what i would say is and we can quibble about you know scenarios where you know even i might say yeah i don't that makes me uncomfortable but to me you don't make things better by saying let's have you know those people people in Washington because we can trust them to do the right thing. And I know you're not saying that. But the same people that are doing all this stuff that we're talking about with the National Guard and the vaccine mandates and whatnot, they're not going to come in and all of a sudden be on their best behavior when it comes to regulating the housing sector.

Again, they're the ones who are behind the bailouts in the first place. I'm saying, like, is antitrust feasible? The problem I see with the Berlin thing is like the government just taking the houses is the same problem as the corporations having the houses. The only difference is who you're yelling at. But what if they said, hey, we're going to put a limit on how much property you can own or something like that? Or perhaps it's like you're a special case. You are the one company that owns 60% of the properties. We think that's too much.

So we're going to antitrust you. We're going to break you up. What's your thoughts on that? So Tom DiLorenzo has done a lot of good stuff on this. People want to look him up on antitrust. So I don't have this text off the top of my head, but I think it's true that in the vast majority of actual antitrust lawsuits are brought by the competitors of the dominant firm.

So it's not some disinterested civic rights organization, guys that are just doing this and they're getting money from contributors or something around the country. It's the competitors who try to bring them down. And also, there were plenty of cases where companies were viewed as untouchable behemoths that then just collided. Like IBM, there was a period where they just dominated and no one could ever touch IBM. And then Microsoft came along. And then who could possibly touch Microsoft? And then Google came.

No one could touch Google. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of times the stuff gets hung up in the antitrust lawsuit and the company loses market share just because of market forces. I mean, to be fair, those examples are just escalating tyranny though though. You know, IBM was making computers. People use computers like that's a great utility. Microsoft came along and then things started to get a little shady with how they were running their business. Apple comes along, similar things. And now we're at the point where Google is just overtly evil and censoring news, censoring conversations, stopping regular people from being able to have conversations.

It's to the point where Google got so powerful that no one can even rise up to challenge them. Because if you're a politician or the Mises Institute is a good example. Wikipedia says you guys are, you know, it smears you in ridiculous ways. We're at the point where these institutions have become so powerful and untouchable that they can outright just destroy anyone who would speak up against them to stop them from abusing power. So my view is, I think, I definitely lean more towards freedom and everything, but I would say I'm rather centrist in the economic scale simply because while I don't think the government owning land is going to improve things for the working class, I think centralization of authority and power, regardless of whether it's government or corporation, is a bad thing.

And so how do you break that apart and decentralize it, especially when, you know, look, Google is untouchable. And as you said, many of these untouchables have waned. I mean, Microsoft is still there, and Bill Gates is buying up all the farmland, so he's certainly retained all that power. Then you've got Apple, which did a really great job of rebranding Unix and selling it back to people for – well, let's be real. Ian, Unix was open source, right? It is open source? So he brands – he takes a Unix, he brands it, and then makes it private, sells it for a massive profit. Convince a bunch of people that Shiny is better, and then I have to deal with people who don't know how to use basic you know functions on a pc or or run you know basic programs because they're

using you know iphones and stuff no offense to the iphone and apple users i'm not a fan and now you're at the point where once like all of that stuff keeps happening now you get google and google's got its tentacles and everything to the point where you're a conservative talk show host and they delete your video because you cited the CDC. That's Steven Crowder. So now if you can't even speak up against them in any meaningful way, oh, of course we can say Google's bad like on this show, but what if you actually want to challenge their goals and agendas

or something that might affect their profits? All of a sudden now they're coming after you. They're going to censor you. Now you can't even do anything to stop it. I'm seeing now that Unix might actually be closed source and that Linus Torvald reverse engineered it and created Linux, which is open source. I don't know. I thought it was open source. Okay.

My info on that Apple stuff is probably wrong. Yeah, it's kind of vague. Apologies, Apple. Thanks, guys. So yeah, I definitely agree with you that what Google's doing right now is, you know, they're not living up to their model, right? Oh, they got rid of that model. It's Alphabet.

They own Google. Alphabet is like crazy technology. Overtly evil. Quantum computing. They're going to, I mean, we live under the boot of Zuckerberg and Alphabet, you know, Bill Gates. Yeah, so I do think that, you know, 30, 40 years from now, it's not just going to be politicians that we're going to think, that the humans of that era are going to think are the ones running the world.

It will be like a fusion of big billion, multi-billion dollar corporations and then powerful states, and it'll be more of a hybrid thing, and that will be considered the center of oppression. Chinese style? Yes. Capitalism or communism or state communism. I don't know. Whatever term you want to use. All I would say, though, is the way to slow the movement towards that is not to give the Department of Justice more power to break up companies.

It's a modest point that I'm making. I'm more just saying this is not the path. I've been thinking a lot that politics is not what we think it is anymore. It's not Democrats, Republicans. I mentioned this before the show. That's the skin suit of politics. Politics now is computer software code. It's deciding what we see, how we behave, who we interact with.

So we need to rewrite the code if we want to control and change the politics. It's not going to happen from Washington. It's going to be a decentralized movement, and it kind of is. Well, that's a great point. I think politics as we see it right now is a facade. When you can't even go on social media to the public square, to the water cooler and say, here is my political opinion, then there is no democracy. There is no democratic institution. It's quite literally, we've mentioned this before. Imagine it this way. We get locked down. We're told we can't go to bars. We can't go to restaurants. So no one's talking to each other. How are we communicating? On Twitter. What is Twitter doing? Twitter was

censoring news that harmed Joe Biden's campaign. So when you have the interests of a private corporation saying, we can control what you see and hear. Your politics, your vote, completely meaningless. There could be large swaths, and there probably are, of people in this country with a very particular political opinion. And they're going to be like, oh, I can't bring that up because if I try, I'll get censored. So I'll opt not to say it. Out of sight, out of mind. There's that saying from Harriet Tubman.

I believe it was Harriet Tubman. Or I believe it's a real, could be apocryphal. I have freed many slaves. I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves. If people don't know what they don't know, it just never comes up. And so when you see Twitter censoring the Hunter Biden story, that overtly benefited the Biden campaign. So how can we say that we have any kind of real political system if that's what we're living under? And I agree with you. Giving the government power is no guarantee. They're not going to solve it. We could cross our fingers and be like, well, what if we said, okay, you can break up these companies? They say, oh, okay, we'll break up all the enemies of Twitter. So Twitter

becomes the dominant company, and you look at what they do to Parler, what they do to Gab. The government will just use their power to benefit their co their collaborators in the private sector right exactly and so i don't have a great answer for okay well then what do we do so for sure though i just want to be clear i'm not saying hey they're a private company they do whatever they want like that's not what i'm saying but i am saying that let's be realistic partly you know why these corporations do pose a threat is because they're in league with states that have you know armies and prisons behind them and you know monopoly printing presses so that's you're not going to like empowering one to you know keep the others in check that's certainly not uh right a good solution yeah so we'll probably have like a starlink decentralized uh internet that's runs

parallel with this corporate internet and and then we'll be able to have like decentralized finance the problem is the military if the government controls the military it's kind of like we are the government so we give these people authority to make commands for us but we don't have to do that this stupid this governor in new york that was like i have signed paperwork to give myself the power no that paper ridiculous statement ever power is granted it is not going back to what you were saying tim my friend um took a a picture on the new york city subway i think i'm getting this right and it was a three pain thing you know it's from like the cdc or something or the or the new york version of the board of health and the first pain showed two people talking without masks

and it said bad and then the middle pane showed them talking with masks better, and then the best was them texting each other. And to me, that had nothing to do with transmission of a virus. They had to do with get people talking through the thing that you're right. They control the flow of information. I have just written a decree granting myself the power to declare Ian must make me a loaf of bread. Oh, I thought you were going keto, but I can't defy that order.

I'm not going to eat the bread. Isn't that insane? I grant you that power. If you can just declare you have the power to do it, don't you have the power to do it the entire time? That's how insane this is. They're voted into office to represent us and can be voted out at any moment. Mic drop.

The thing is the military. The thing is the military and satellite intervention if they can watch you from above and see if you're farming on your land and then come in with military that's messed up so where does this all lead to i mean this is probably one of the most pessimistic you know conversations we've had in a while it's like you know ian you make a good point about there's like the politics is not what we think it is yeah that's kind of just distracting us i i feel like that's the bread in the circus where it's like, who's going to win the election?

You can pick of our approved candidates and you get the Republican who says, we'll wait a little bit. And the Democrat says, burn it all down. And then what happens is you vote for the Republicans and they go, oh, okay, we're going to resist. We'll be sleeping over there. You get the Democrat and they're like,

great time to start knocking stuff over. So there's no real resistance at all. And I think that's why they just absolutely despise Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert. Not to say that they're, you know, changing the game either. Maybe they're just louder voices but still not enough to actually make a difference here. Right, and I think that that explains just the hostility to Trump, you know, whether people love him or hate him, that he was so out of the mainstream, like he actually was not playing the game according to trump you know whether people love him or hate him that he was so out of the mainstream like he actually was not playing the game according to the standard rules like normally

the republicans like we're so sorry we're so sexist and racist but please you know give us a chance because we're better on economics than them and trump was not playing that game and was going around and so that's why it was just code red establishment in both parties what you know national review had a whole issue against Trump. I think people, some people forget that, that Conservative Inc. was not pro-Trump in the beginning. They didn't like him either. He was too much of a wild card and whatever.

He wasn't playing the game that they had wanted to play too. So, and, you know, and I'm not singing praises to Trump. I'm just saying that you could see how the system is, what it is. And they like that. Yep, here's two candidates and it's, you know, shade of gray or shade of gray this way, choose, and now you're free because you got to pick a person every four years. And to me, that's why now I think states breaking away or cities or what have you

is the only near-term to mid-term way to do anything. It has to be super subtle because if they think that you're breaking away, they'll come in with a boot. But if you just do it with parallel systems that synergize, I think it can happen. I don't know, man. I think we're getting to the point where they're losing the ability to control the systems the way we think they would.

New Hampshire, for instance, the Free State Project. I mean, these guys are getting more and more people on board with seceding from the union. Now, will that happen? I think it's highly unlikely. But what happens when you have the free state project saying everybody come to new hampshire sign a pledge saying we out what happens when 80 of new hampshire is like yo we out and then what happens if there's like mass

non-compliance with the federal government's laws where the feds don't have enough people to go in and deal with like i think new hampshire only has like 800 000 people in it not many yeah yeah do you want to check the population but i mean how is the how is the federal government going to deal with 800 block the highways or something like what do you do and it's not just new hampshire it's other i mean texas texas has constantly pushed those buttons i don't know i mean what do you think you think texas would ever get to that point yeah i i do actually i think it would be sooner than a lot of people think um and and you're're right. It's to me what they like, just hypothetically speaking, if two thirds of Texans voted in a referendum that we want to break? And it would be important, too, to not have any – no violence suggested, just to say, no, we're breaking away so that if Washington starts ordering the Air Force to bomb them,

it's going to be pretty clear-cut what happened. Right, right. So this is the thing. People often say, oh, the government – the feds would never allow secession because they would go – send the military in and i'm like that would make people more uh like supportive of secession they would see the aggressor being the federal government going in and rounding people up they'd see crying babies and screaming women and be like this is crazy like they didn't even do anything and uh i think more and more people would actually actually it's

it's not just similar from the american civil war with fort sumter when the fighting broke out i think it was seven other states that were like whoa that's crazy we're out and then word traveled way slower in the era of fourth and fifth generational warfare you gotta have propaganda on your side which means often you know you want to be the victim right you want to be the one getting hit going oh they're attacking me help help me, and then people sympathize with you. So that's why I'm wondering, like,

what would happen if New Hampshire said, we hereby secede, it's done, and the federal government says, no, you don't, and they say, don't care, not listening. Are they going to send in the feds? Are they collecting taxes or what? Right, so I have been doing research on, like, nonviolent resistance,

you know, like the civil rights struggle, just to give an example to people. They had training back in the 60s where when they would do a sit-in, and they would train the people and say, okay, the mobs are going to come and start punching and screaming and spitting at you. Don't swear at them and just sit there and take it. And then when you have taken too

much, we rotate so the guys on the inside are the circumference now and they take it. You know what I mean? So it wasn't just, oh, let's love everyone. No, it was strategic because they knew we're outnumbered you know we have to win public opinion and then enough people watching tv are like you know seeing firemen you know hose down marchers and you know i don't know if i'm for that so you're right with new hampshire again so and that's why right now again they're they're making this propaganda effort to talk about all

how the right-wing threat and all these, you know what I mean? Because they want the public to believe when they're kicking in doors. It's because there's all these right-wing kooks who pose a threat, not just people who say, you know what? I want to break away and not be affiliated with Washington, D.C. anymore. Got a number here. It's 1.36 million people. That's 2019, 1.36 million in New Hampshire. More than I thought, yeah.

You know, I think saying we want to break away is like saying I'm anti that. I hate that. I'm voting against that. Rather than being against it, you want to say we're fixing this American system. And then all these people around the country will start doing it together. And that is not going to be considered anti. If you say I'm breaking away, they're going to say that's anti-American. And our people would be brainwashed, fifth generational.

But if you say we're fixing this together, that's going to tweak their minds and make them join you. You make a good point. All of this rhetoric about the far right and everything is getting people ready for when it starts kicking the doors down. They're going to be like, oh, you know. But New Hampshire, that's going to be a cold splash of water in the face to a lot of people who are like, wait, an entire state is trying to secede? Wait a minute. And I'll tell you this. They're not hearing this when they turn on CNN.

So right now, I assure you, most people, like I'd be willing to bet. And I would say this. If I was looking at two options of voting, does the leftist YouTuber sphere, BreadTube, know about New Hampshire secession or don't they? I bet they don't. I would say I will put my chip on they don't know about this and they're not paying attention to it and it doesn't matter to them even though they're supposedly libertarian. Now, I think it's fair to say many of them probably do, but I think it's not part of the conversations they're having. In which case, even to those people who are supposedly more politically oriented and regular people, none of them are probably seeing the stories in the news about how I think it's up to five reps. I think so, yeah. Five or so. Five was the last time I heard.

Four in New Hampshire who are like, we favor secession. That's a tiny amount relative to the hundreds or so that they have. It's growing. But that's a conversation you think, like, if you, you would think that the state of Jefferson, that several counties in Oregon voted to secede from the state to join Idaho and then Northern California, that there's a county in Northern Colorado that wants to join Wyoming. Yeah, well, tiny. Right.

And that, you know, even California's talked about secession. Texas has talked about secession. New Hampshire has filed the paperwork. Texas filed the paperwork before. And there was a poll. I think it was YouGov data we mentioned often. 37.2% of Americans favor their region breaking off from the U.S. to form a new regional government. I'm willing to bet most people don't know about that and even political leftists don't know about that.

If one of these states did make an actual formal declaration it would be like them waking up one day with like the moon being upside down or something weird like how do how are we at this point if the government came and said it's far-right extremists they'd be like all 1 million 1.3 million well it passed by 60 so you're saying like 700 000 people 800 000 people are all far right extremists or is that a whole state saying, yo, we out? Right. And to Ian's point, I think you're right. So with my, you know, when I talk about this, like I, so we're using the term secession just because it's very precise and we all know, you know, your audience is very informed, but I would call it like the Texas

independence movement. You know, it's the same thing, just like technically the 4th of July, they seceded from Great Britain, but we consider it Independence Day. I just thought a good way to do it would be if you set up a smart contract so that your government secedes until your demands are met. The demands could be whatever you want. So like repeal the Federal Reserve. If the U.S. government does that, we'll come back into the country. And then you could have a bunch of different communities secede at once with smart contracts set up ready to reunify. You wouldn't need smart contracts the

problem is confidence if people uh you you guys have seen for vendetta i assume yeah you know that scene at the end where you know the the um what's the name of the inspector i'm not gonna call him or whatever i don't remember he's like eventually someone will do something stupid and then it shows the uh the the finger man they call him and he shoots a little girl and then all of a sudden everyone starts walking up to him they have pipes and he's like ah holding his badge but they don't care because that is the point where people no longer have confidence in the system in the beginning of the movie when natalie portman's character says oh god you're finger men that's her saying she believes in the power of the state and

she fears it the end of the movie is when people say we don't believe in your power or care about it so in terms of you know breaking away seceding peaceful divorce whatever if people just don't believe in the power of an institution it doesn't exist the reason i bring up smart contracts with like your states to say new hampshire secedes they have a smart contract ready to bring them back into the union when their demands are met is because if some power hungry monarch came into power in new hampshire during that process and decided yeah you'd repeal the federal reserve but i'm not coming back now you'd have some strong man so you want to automate it you can't trust us basically you can't automate the process by which the public would come to trust the government again yeah it shouldn't be about trust well it doesn't matter

listen the point is if you have you know uh let's say you got 1.3 million people in new hampshire and they do a referendum on secession and 60 say okay we're going to vote so you're looking at you know i guess what would that be around 600 oh 60 60 so maybe 600 700 000 people 700 or so thousand those people have stated with that vote we have no confidence in in the system you can't then just have a system that vote, we have no confidence in the system. You can't then just have a system that automatically turns around one day and says, oh, all of you guys who voted against us, you are now back in the system. They'd say, no, we're not.

We don't believe it. For me, it's not that I hate the United States and that system, but there are aspects of it I want changed. So as like a, I don't know what you would say, like I'm boycotting this stupid government until you fix these things. I don't want to be gone from the U.S. forever, but I'd be happy to, like, you know, put pressure them to fix the system. So when you're dealing with several hundred thousand individuals, you can't just one day snap your fingers and have all of them agree. If 700,000 people agree, we want out. No matter what happens, there's no point at which you can just turn around and say,

okay, now you all hereby agree to like the state and believe in its power. They're going to be like, no, we still don't believe in its power. I think – I guess part of why I'm pushing this is because I think if they want it out, if you really want to get out of the United States, that's not going to happen. The U.S. federal government would demolish any kind of resistance. What would they do? They would send in the federal – they'd block off I-95 and then they would – Bro, I think you need to understand what the free state is. They have satellites, dude.

Yeah, I get it. They have jet planes. Like what do you – The free – the people who are going up to New Hampshire are not mom and pop like soccer mom, local mid-managers. These are people who want to live in the middle of nowhere and hunt for their food. These are free staters who are staunch libertarians and ANCAPs who are going up there like good take it all the way get away from me i'm going to grow my own food and get water from the ground so if the feds came in and said we're cutting off the the you know supply of tvs they'd be like we don't care they'd find other imports if they yeah so so i i'm enjoying

this discussion so to your point that's's why in my writing about this stuff, I focused on Texas first because they've got the two oceans and they've got the border with Mexico. It would be harder, and it's huge too, it would be harder to seal them up, whereas Florida also, there's many respects in which you might think, yeah, they should go too, President DeSantis or whatever, but it would be easier to just do a naval blockade. So I agree with you, it would be easier to just do a naval blockade. So I agree with you. It would be tricky.

But again, if they did it peacefully and their only crime was to say, we're breaking away, we're not sending money to Washington anymore, and they sent in tanks and starved them into submission, that might be a PR disaster. And there would be so much guerrilla media showing, you know what I mean? Right now, American troops doing atrocities overseas, if they were doing it in New Hampshire, that might not play with a lot of people. I mean, you'd probably get sanctions on the U.S. All of a sudden, massive G7 trade partners would be like, we will not be trading with you until you stop doing what you're doing. Now, you're right. They could get away with it if they found all these right wing depots of munitions. You know what I mean? If the government could plausibly claim either because of the false flag

or because there really were people who decided, you know, I'm sick of this. They've got MSNBC. It would be a total PR nightmare for the New Hampshire people. It would be terrible. It would be, you know, control of the narrative. And then New Hampshire, the people would have to appeal to another country to help them. And then it would be like, who are they going to appeal to? Canada? I don't think so. China, probably.

You know what the funniest thing about a New Hampshire secession is? It would basically sever Maine from the contiguous United States. Yeah, it can't happen. They wouldn't let that happen. Right, right, of course. But I'm curious as to what their tactic would be. Probably, I'd imagine, at this point, it would be to flood the zone with money and resources to drown out any conversation about a free state but i gotta tell you a

grassroots movement is something powerful if more and more people keep flooding up to new hampshire for the free state project no amount of money is going to shut that down right and at the very least that's what i think it's worthwhile like you know shows like this people talking about it just to because i'm curious to hear like the people who you know work for vox or the new york times just get them on record to say hypothetically if two-thirds of texans voted to break away would you let them go or would you think they should send an airstrikes and tank you know i mean just to have them on record because how could they say or maybe they would say yeah we wouldn't let them do that we're talking about we're we're at a point i'd be willing to bet if we went to and polled Democrats, should Republican states be allowed to secede?

They'd say yes. I think you will see a large portion say yes, let them go. Now, a year ago or a year or so ago, there was data from The New York Times on this. And I think it was something like 30% said, yes, they can go. Like 60 some odd percent said overwhelmingly, no, they can't leave the union. I think that's changed, you know, a year on now, especially as things are going. I'll tell you this, come 2022, if Republicans end up taking large portions of the House and they end up gaining control back, then you're going to see the sentiment flip.

And leftists are going to be like, get them out. We already saw that Podesta thing from the Boston Globe that John Podesta said the West Coast should secede from the union if Donald Trump wins. What happens when Trump wins again? Joe Rogan, in the news, simply for stating his opinion, I love how this always happens, Joe says he thinks Trump's going to run, Trump's going to win. If that happens, the left is gonna be like how about we let you secede instead of letting trump be president and then what how does that happen

right and that's that's um some of the arguments i've been making too is to say to like let's call them blue state voters just for lack of a better term suppose it were texas and they wanted to break away let them go because all the people in your state you know if you're in california or some other blue state new york whatever a lot of people would move to Texas then. So you get rid of them, those gun nuts or the people who don't want to get vaccinated. Get them away from you. Let them go. And if Texas did leave the union, Democrats would never lose a presidential election.

Right, for the remaining U.S. system. So it's kind of a win-win. And that's not like a paradox. Armies agree to not use poison gas against each other. You know what I mean? There are things that this would avoid a paradox like you know armies agree to not use poison gas against each other you know i mean there are things that and this would avoid a lot of conflict so i to me it's and i'm not just trying to like trick the left or something i'm saying no it's wouldn't can't we all agree if texas wants to leave let them go that's better for everybody but look we end up

seeing sarah silverman comes out on her show saying maybe we need a peaceful would you say separation i don't know if she said divorce Peaceful divorce, I think. Did she say peaceful divorce? I think so. That means she must be listening to Michael Malice. I'm more into the peaceful separation, which is why I bring up the smart contract civil disobedience angle because you can leave and then come back. When you divorce, it's gone forever. No, Ian. You're not understanding.

Like we're talking about if – like why do you believe U.S. dollars are valuable, right? Because you can go to the store and – I can buy stuff with it, yeah. What if one day the clerk said, I don't want your money. It's not worth anything to me. It's useless then. Would there be one day where you convinced him, no, the smart contract changed, therefore you have to take it now. He'd be like, get out of my story.

What do you mean? What do you mean by that? Let's say you have 800,000 people all say one day we no longer want to accept U.S. dollars. We think it's valueless. And then you're like, but we'll do a smart contract that says as soon as the Fed's gone, we no longer want to accept US dollars. We think it's valueless. And then you're like, but we'll do a smart contract that says as soon as the Fed's gone, we'll all take this back. And then one day the system comes back and the smart contract flips. And now everyone is mandated to accept dollars again. And you walk into the gas station. Do you think that clerk will just

change his mind? Or do you think he's going to be like, I said, I don't take that money anymore. Get out. The smart contract will not change public confidence in a system. If the system, if the confidence breaks, there's no reversing it. I mean, maybe over a few decades and a few generations, you can rebuild that network, but it doesn't work. I see what you mean that people are going to do what they're used to doing regardless of what the law says. But if you could digitally, because things are going digital now if you could just digitally kind of just change the money like so you're using u.s dollars now tomorrow you're using texas dollars and then when they finally repeal the federal reserve you're using

u.s dollars again i mean i think that sounds like a pipe dream i think seceding peacefully it's a pipe dream because there's no way the most powerful military that's ever been ever existed would let a piece of their economy just walk away i agree like in oregon these counties want us to see like as if portland's gonna let their serfs go but look let me let me pull up this story all right and we'll talk about how bad it is and maybe maybe this story isn't the perfect example we got this from from daily Mail. Republicans block bill to avoid the government shutdown. Senate votes 48 to 50 to sink funding bill with GOP, leaving it to Democrats to raise the debt ceiling. So the U.S. is on the verge of default. Has this ever happened before?

The actual default? No. Yeah. The debt ceiling arguments always happen. Yeah. And the Republicans always and the Democrats always say, like, I'm going to block you so they can try and get leverage, right? So this isn't – would you call this situation, like, remarkable in any sense? I haven't seen anything that sets this apart qualitatively from previous episodes, if that's what you're asking.

Yeah, yeah. What would happen if we did default? So, I mean, I heard – what was it, Chuck Schumer? I don't know if it was today or yesterday when he was going through this litany. Oh, nine percent unemployment. And no, I mean, I think the UK government in the 70s defaulted technically on some other bond. So it's not inconceivable that even major governments do this. And so, you know, I don't have a crystal ball. It would certainly shock people. They're not expecting the U.S. government to do that,

but all that would mean is people would be less willing to lend money to the federal government, and since the federal government, in my opinion, is doing all sorts of lawless criminal things with that money, that wouldn't be such a bad thing if people stopped lending it money on such easy terms in the future. I have a crystal ball for you. One second. Okay. A crystal ball. Ian, a crystal ball for you. One second. Okay. Crystal ball. Ian, there's two crystal balls.

I'm only buying if we write up a smart contract, though. I want protection. Ian actually is bringing a crystal ball over for Robert. Here you go, Robert. Oh, good. Is this so you can make predictions on the economy? Yeah, maybe this will help. Perfect.

I also drink a lot of eternal reds. I don't think it's actually a crystal ball. It's pure crystal. But I wanted to bring this up because I want to stress, you know, we hear this all the time. Like the Republicans are like, we're going to block it. There's a government shutdown. Everyone rolls their eyes. But right now is kind of the worst possible time for this to be happening.

There's no unity. We're at a point now where health care workers are being fired. Police are resigning en masse. The economy is – well, actually, let me ask you this question. Is the economy good? No, I think it's – All right. That's all I need to hear because I like to cite this metric where civics data shows that independent voters, Republicans say the economy is not good. Democratic voters say the economy is fairly good. And I'm like, what universe do these people live in where they think this is

a good economy when you have 10.9 million job openings, people aren't taking them. And so I look at this and I'm like, there's no unity, even now amidst this economic crisis, shortages, fuel shortages, labor shortages, that the politicians are going to keep playing the same stupid games. So I'm curious if, you know, you said you don't see this as remarkable at all, but I don't know, is there anything here to indicate that it's getting worse? So let me just briefly make my standpoint about Republicans. They always annoy me with this thing because Republicans, you know, since you and I were kids, I think we're close in age, they always talk about, oh, we want to have a balanced budget constitutional amendment.

All they would have to do is not raise the debt ceiling, and then you would have to have a balanced budget. Because all that means is the Treasury is not allowed to let the amount of outstanding public debt get higher than this number. And so that means they can't borrow more money. So that means they would have to run balanced budgets. And that doesn't take a constitutional amendment. So it just proves they like posturing and being for small government or fiscal responsibility.

But every time they raise the debt ceiling, they're authorizing more deficit spending. I do feel like we're getting to a point where there's probably a lot of conservative voters, populists who are like default. Do it. Right. So, yeah, Murray Rothbard's written on this. I'm sure other libertarian economists have as well, that it does at first sound like irresponsible or somebody saying, what does that mean? What the government's doing when it doesn't default, it's pointing guns and threatening jail time to people who had nothing to do with the transaction to take money against their will to give as interest payments to people who voluntarily bought treasuries, who lent money to the government. And so to default means you're not coercing people to pay to those who voluntarily lent money to the government.

How is that? So morally, that's not a... It sounds like what you're saying is the right business to be in is lending money to the government. If they're going to go point guns at other people on my behalf, hey, I'll be on the back of that gun instead of in front of it. Sure, and what's funny is even a lot of people who are very, you know, like minarchists, are very small government people, usually in terms of the list of things that they would think the government should stop.

You know, they would say, oh, yeah, no aid to foreign countries, and the government shouldn't be in higher education. They would go down the list. But usually paying interest on the outstanding debt is something that everybody agrees the government should do that, and yet that's the one area where those people voluntarily, know you voluntarily lend money to a corporation if they don't pay you back tough and so hey you lend money to uncle sam and now people don't want to give him more money and he's got you know a budget crisis why is it so assumed that you get paid first what would happen so if the u.s government defaults on the debt to the federal reserve and they just say we're not

paying you back ever federal reserve goes bankrupt and then the u.s government's like here's our new currency okay yeah so that's an interesting question so um i know you guys know this but just for the benefit of the listener so yeah the a large portion of the outstanding treasury debt you know so the u.s treasury owes money to people they have bonds and some of one owner of that is the federal reserve and so what yeah what would people do ask what would happen if the treasury just said you know what why don't we just write off two trillion dollars and we're not paying that um so technically that would make the federal reserve insolvent they would be bankrupt you know their assets would be lower than their

liabilities at that point but they could still create money electronic i mean i don't think they would say well the jig is up you think they would say, well, the jig is up. They would just keep operating. The $20 trillion debt that we owe, isn't that all Federal Reserve notes? No. So it consists, legally speaking, in bonds. So those are conceptually two separate things going on. Can you explain the difference?

Sure. So if the federal government wants to spend $2 trillion, they want to spend $10 trillion and they only have $8 trillion in tax revenue, they need to borrow $2 trillion extra, they issue bonds to borrow those from lenders. And what the people are holding then is a bond. So you can't go to the grocery store and buy food with a treasury bond. But the people that are lending the money to the government, isn't that Federal Reserve notes that they're lending to the government?

It's either electronic or, yes, technically, but technically the same notes could be circulating in the economy and you could be accumulating treasury debt. Can you transfer a treasury bond? What do you mean by that? Can I like sign it over to you?

Yeah. So theoretically, you could buy groceries with it. You could if they would accept, but you could buy groceries with it you you could if they would accept but you could buy groceries with chickens and stuff too exactly yeah right right so it's an asset it's a very liquid asset yeah yeah you could but i'm saying it's not it's not money per se i guess it seems like it's all federal reserve debt because if you're going to issue a bond you're the government you're issue a bond to somebody that lends you money they're

just lending you money that had been printed by the federal reserve anyway okay but by the same token like uh if if uh google issues bonds technically they're borrowing u.s dollars too that doesn't mean all private sector debt is just federal reserve notes but all u.s dollars are federal reserve promissory notes if the u.s government says hey ian if you sweep my floor i'll owe you 10 bucks you're not the federal reserve they owe you 10 bucks, you're not the Federal Reserve. They owe you $10. Right. Or if Tim just lends you a $100 bill and you sign something saying, I owe you $100, he paid you with a Federal Reserve note,

but that's not that that debt now is the property of the Federal Reserve. So I'm just saying there is an interplay. Don't get me wrong, but I'm just saying conceptually they're distinct things but yes if like you were saying tim if the if the treasury defaulted on the debt that the fed owns it's interesting i mean technically what would happen is then they wouldn't have the ability if inflation gets if price inflation gets out of hand the way the fed can try to dampen that is they sell off debt they're you know their assets to soak dollars up and destroy them so they can't do that as well if some of their assets disappeared because the Treasury defaulted on them.

So that's part of the issue is the Fed would be less able to control price inflation. And the other thing, too, is you've got to understand is that the U.S. has to maintain confidence in the U.S. dollar and by military force if necessary. So they wouldn't just ever be like, OK, Fed, we're done. We're not doing U. doing US Federal Reserve notes anymore. We're going to do Fed coin because then China is going to be holding a bunch of toilet paper and they're going to be like, hey, we're not trading with you unless you accept what you've given us or what you owe us. So it's not just, it's an interconnected system. I mean, if the US wanted to go full on isolationist, self-sustainability, like

just no more conversation. Oh, they could do that and be like, hey, everybody, congratulations. We're issuing America coin. That's the currency of this country. U.S. dollars are gone. China can screw itself. Well, what you could do is every U.S. dollar that China owes or has, you could just give them a U.S. coin for. And so we'd have like 28 trillion coins to start.

It's a little excessive but whatever they got us into the situation i think there's no more interest there are rumors about cryptocurrency have you heard of fed coin yeah is it what are they calling it fed coin or what are they calling it i don't think they're calling it i think we're cynics too but it's usbc i think uh united states bank coin i think is what's going yeah i don't know i don't know off the top of my head what the official term is just like qe the Fed never called those programs QE. That was just like Wall Street dubbed them. When we inflate our currency, when we pump out new dollars and stuff like that through quantitative easing, right?

So how does that work? Okay, so the Federal Reserve just buys assets electronically. electronically and then in the act of doing that so if the fed wants to buy a billion dollars worth of mortgage-backed securities it creates a check then that check by law clears manifests right because the the bank you know like city bank you know the seller of the bonds deposits the check from the fed and then city bank says to the fed we got a check from you for a billion dollars to this client and the fed says yep that's good so the fed just adds a billion dollars to the electronic balance of city bank and then city bank adds a billion to the deposit of that client so just magically money is fake the money supply went up by a billion dollars and so when inflation comes natural from that i have

to imagine you know china and other countries are like hey yo what the hell because we have debt and you're devaluing the debt we have with you. So they get pissed off about that. Yeah, it's China and other big holders. They're in this weird position where I think they want to diversify out of it. But yet if they just say to the world, you know what? We don't trust the dollar anymore. Then it could crash it.

And so it's a weird. It's sort of like if Bill Gates wanted to sell Microsoft stock, he'd have to go through a divorce or just divest himself because of charitable concerns. A lot of people say that's why he did it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a time when, in order to expand the money supply, they had to find more gold. When they were making gold coins and silver, they were like, if you don't have the materials to make it, you can't make it.

Right. So I'm sure everybody is vaguely aware of the gold standard and how Nixon ended it. But actually, to me, the really cool period was with the constitutional founding in the late 1780s up through right before the Civil War. The U.S. federal government did not issue paper dollars. What they did is they said, if you want dollars, you have to bring in a certain amount of raw gold or silver. And we will stamp them at U.S. mints into coins that say $20 or $1 if it's silver. And so the public, in a sense, determined the quantity of dollars in existence based on those legal rates. They announced the ratios, of course.

It's basically like the government was certifying this was a true and correct weight. Exactly, right. So the money was gold and silver, and that's how Mises and other economists of the time thought of it like they thought money and silver sorry gold and silver were the actual money and you're right the government all it was in the constitution say that right so it was it that's the thing too like it gave the government the authority to coin money it didn't mean to print up fiat dollars it meant like it was the same way like it could set weights and measures.

So it could say like 12 inches is a foot. You know, I mean, just to sort of to allow commerce to flourish by having standard units. This is what we mean by a dollar. It's this many grains of gold. So the Fed right now can simply say, hey, you got a billion dollars. That's it. He has a billion dollars. Yes, but they wouldn't just give it to him.

They would buy something for it because they're not dumb. Right. Of course. They're going to get a billion dollars or something. They could give it to me, though, if I was a friend of a friend or something? They could buy the crystal ball from you and say it's a million dollars or a billion dollars and buy it and acquire it. And that's the way they could funnel it to you.

What about my work? Like a nice jolly hello is like I'm now giving them some advice and they can give me a billion dollars for that. So economically, there would be nothing stopping them. I think there might be statutes about they couldn't just pay you for a service. We would think that. We talked about this on one show where I was buying something from a bank. I had to do a wire transfer from one bank to another.

So I bought a truck. We bought a truck for our mobile production studio. And then one day I get a call from this bank, and I'm like, they have no business to call me because I settled a truck. We bought a truck for our mobile production studio. And then one day I get a call from this bank, and I'm like, they have no business to call me because I settled that debt. But then eventually I decided to check my messages, and they're like, we're calling about an outstanding debt you have. So what happened was Bank A transfers money. I said, here's all the information that was provided for me, and it was all true and correct. They say, okay, the wire transfer has been initiated.

It should clear soon. The other bank that was supposed to receive it said, never got it we have never received that that wire so then i'm like okay so i called my bank and they're like no we have it right here written down the money's gone and i'm like then where's the money like it's gone it just literally doesn't exist so it how does it no i mean this literally happened to me a few months ago. If the banking system is literally just one bank writing down a number and saying you have it and the other bank writing down a number saying you don't have it, and that's that's the magic word in today's you know fascistic social dystopia where if you've if you have enough followers you can tweet your problems away right i'm fortunate enough to have been able to be like hey bank what's going on where's my money and then immediately i get like a liaison like we're so sorry mr pool we'll resolve this for you and then they eventually said okay okay we we figured it out and don't worry about it but the crazy thing is for a regular person if you have two banks and one bank says we went into your bank

and hit delete on that amount it's gone you can't do anything about it yeah i mean and there is in a very legitimate or not legitimate that makes it sound like it's okay in a very real sense that like a bank when it grants a mortgage to somebody there is a sense in which you know m1 is that is the term like that's the measure of the money supply that that literally went up like the way economists measure how many dollars are in existence and so the commercial banking system can expand and contract the money supply through lending well when they were mistakes like in your case yeah when they do loans that money comes from nowhere right right so i mean it's there's constraints they can't just

create a trillion dollars like there's things that would happen the reserves will get drained but but yes strictly speaking there's nothing in the accounting like when a bank makes a loan it's qualitatively different from like if if the bar or something just gives you a drink and puts it on your tab like there's a sense in which they're creating more dollars. Basically, Ian says he wants to buy my bottle of water or this bottle of water. So I say, okay, I'll give you a loan to purchase it.

I, as the bank, then just type in to the owner's account, you have a dollar. And then Ian owes me a dollar, but I never actually transfer a dollar to anybody, right? Yeah, so maybe the way to think about it is, because remember we were talking about you couldn't use a treasury bond to go to the grocery store? You can go and buy, you know, you can use a $20 bill, like Federal Reserve note, right?

That's money. But you can also, if the bill is $20, you can take out your bank debit card and swipe it, and technically what's happening is, you know, Bank of America, let's say, is saying, oh, right now Tim Pool has, whatever, $1,000 in his checking account. He swiped that. So now we'll say he only has $980 and we'll credit you, Kroger or whatever the grocery store is around here, an extra $20 in your checking account. So you're right. That's a checking account.

Right. But I'm saying that, no, they didn't need to do anything. It's just on their computer. What I mean is if you – so what I've been told is that when you use a credit card, there's no actual transfer of funds. The credit card swipe literally just gives $20 to the other person's account, and then nothing is subtracted from anywhere. Okay, so where I was going with that is to say so you can see the grocery store does consider what Bank of America says as people, like how much money we owe you. If you showed up and wanted to empty your checking account, we would give it to you. And people treat that as as good as Federal Reserve notes.

Right. So that's different from just, you know, you giving them that bottle of water and him saying, I owe you, whatever, $10 or whatever. Like when a loan is given to somebody, that money is created. Right. somebody that money is created right and and the reason the reason there's a distinction with what the commercial banks do is because for various reasons that merchants in the community treat you know i'll use from the banks as being interchangeable or fungible with federal reserve notes whereas most other let's put it as they don't let's say a bank uh so it's it's what they can they can lend out like nine times or 90% of their existing cash reserve?

Well, that used to be the Fed got rid of the reserve requirements. So that particular thing is now. When did they do that? It was like in April. It was right after the coronavirus thing hit. Wow, really? And this is funny. They announced it on a Sunday night. And in the press release, you had to go read the follow-up.

Like I just said, we've made some other changes, and you had to go read the follow-up press release to see that they got rid of reserve requirements in 2020. So does that mean they can just literally create money at any point for any reason? Okay, so that's what I was saying before. So there's no statutory legal constraint on what they can lend, but there is a mechanism. So if they lend out too much money, like people want to buy homes and they'd lend out a trillion dollars for people to go buy homes, people go and write checks in that. I want to make sure we're getting this clear. This is what I'm trying to get at. I don't understand.

The bank isn't giving you money. The loan manifests the money upon signature. Like the money is created out of thin air for the loan's purpose. Right. Okay. So like basically the bank doesn't actually go to its coffers, take a dollar out of its piggy bank and hand it to you. They just write it on a piece of paper. They just poof, a dollar's there.

They credit your account with you want to go buy a car, it's $20,000 apply for a loan so that expands the money supply by twenty thousand right but i i don't want your listeners to uh take what i'm saying too far there are constraints because if they're if they're too reckless any one bank if it expands too much when there's clearing house transactions with other bank you know so the car dealership that now you deposit that check for twenty thousand that was created out of thin air electronically, that dealership, if they have a different bank, when they go to settle up with your bank, they're not just going to say, oh, Bank of America is good for it. They're going to say, send us Federal Reserve notes, or they're going to actually say, with your account with the Fed and our account with the Fed, settle up with us. So there is a constraint, ultimately, that it's called having reserves so the commercial banks can't create federal reserve notes and they can't compel the fed to credit their own checking

account with the fed so the fed can do whatever it wants because there's there's no one above the fed the fed just if it creates money creates money period the commercial banks there is a sense in which by making a loan they do but if they do it too aggressively the chickens come home to this intentionally confusing? Yes. And I'm sitting here trying to decide how much detail to get into or not. Because I don't want to say something that, taken out of context, sounds like I'm saying something wrong. But yes, there is a sense in which they can create money.

Commercial banks do have limits. The Fed has no limit. The only limit on the Fed is just that price inflation gets too high. These local banks literally be like, I'm going to create a $100 bill for you, Ian, so you can buy that expensive champagne. Yes. There's nothing stopping them except if they do that too much. So that's money they create. When Ian pays them back, where does that money go? So if they don't relend the funds out, that money gets destroyed.

And so that's the sense in which the commercial banks expand and contract credit and that's why me says that was his theory of the business cycle incidentally that the commercial banking system they push down interest rates expand credit causes a boom they chicken out for some reason they raise interest rates contract credit the supply of money in a very real sense decreases and that causes a crash that removal of the uh reserve requirements sounds like the u.s dollar is worthless and on the verge of imploding so i'm surprised more people didn't notice it and make a big deal out of it and it's part of the reason they didn't is because since um the 2008 financial crisis with all the rounds of qe the as you you may know the banks were just sitting on excess

reserves like they were they had money pumped in by the fed and then they didn't lend out like you said like the 10 times multiple they normally could have and so when the fed got rid of those reserve requirements it didn't change any of the legal obligations in other words the banks already were well above what the requirements were so getting rid of the reserves didn't constrain them but you're right so some other countries don't have reserve requirements too so it's not like this is the one country where that's the case yeah but it is petrodollar country yeah but it is um right i was alarmed by it and like i said the way the fed i'm buying more bitcoin they did it on a sunday night and it was under the radar and and so the announcement they also they also removed the limits on savings accounts converting them

into checking accounts basically is that what happened right yep what does that mean exactly you uh well you could explain it i'm not gonna so they made a change where um i believe before it was if you had it was technically a savings account you could only move money from that into your checking account six times per month and they got rid of that rule so that there's really in practice now no distinction between checking and savings accounts like it basically so basically savings were like considered not in the money supply because you have a limit six transactions per month from savings to checking and it was supposed to be at savings you know higher interest and you put in savings then they said no more which means all of a sudden the money supply exploded and everyone's like you've seen the m1 money

stock just skyrocket everyone's like you got to understand him this is funny they were like you're misunderstanding this they're not it's not an explosion in the money supply they just changed the way they describe checking and savings and i'm like yo they just said to extract your savings like it's your checking that is an explosion in the money supply and it's extremely bad news for this country to to to to flat out say hey everybody you know your savings start spending it like it's all you got it's basically them saying like oh yeah we're imploding and you can take like a million dollars in your checking account at the end of the month move it into savings get the interest and then move it back?

Well, if you did do that, you'd only get it for the brief time you had it in. You know what I mean? So let me just give you my take on that. So just for the people listening, so M1 is one measure that includes checking accounts but not savings accounts. M2 included savings accounts. And so you're right. If you look at graphs, it's going along. And then in 2020 all of a sudden m1 goes through the roof and so people were alarmed and then you're right the apologists for the feds oh is you right wing

nut jobs whatever you're always freaking out it's just a statistical a redefinition but even if you use the old definition m1 still went up a lot oh Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? And it's still at an angle speeding up like crazy. Because M2, which the definition change didn't affect, also spikes. And so I think partly, Tim, maybe the reason they did that was to have an excuse so people wouldn't be panicked by the spike. I can't prove that, obviously, but it was convenient that people were like, oh, no, no. When it was like half the spike was because the money supply by any definition really did skyrocket. We got it pulled up. And you can see like in around March of 2020, the straight spike just goes straight up from April to – the month of April is a straight line up.

And they're like, you know, the rules were changed and how we describe things but if you look after that april 2020 until now the difference between before the spike and after before the spike it's like this after the spike it's like that i mean you guys can see it you don't even use my hand but it's like it's slowly going up major spike and then it's skyrocketing and after the rule change and are you looking at m1 yeah if you pull up m, I don't know if you're a threat or what you're looking at, but M2 is not affected by the definition change. And so you can see M2 also spiked in April 2020 to show this isn't just a definition change. They really did pump in a bunch of money. It's not as pronounced in M2, but you can see there is a spike,

and you can see that from then till now, it is increasing. The money supply is increasing faster than it was beforehand. Right. So there's the one shift, like you're saying, and the rate of increase. I didn't know about that fraction, that reserve restriction. Right. It was all in the same time period where they started doing that. If I had known that, I would have bought way more Bitcoin.

And also, the Fed started buying stocks. They did a lot of stuff. Because everyone's freaking out about coronavirus. And so the Fed got all the way with it. No one's paying attention. Right, right. Wow. Well, I'm not going to give anyone financial advice.

But we've been expanding the business. And my attitude is like, hire people. Expand our facilities. Get more equipment. And people are like, don't you want to – like there are questions about how fast we should be trying to expand and what we should be trying to build. And I'm like, look, I'm not going to sit around on this stuff when inflation is as high as it is. Like we had Max Keiser on the show and he said real inflation is probably closer to 14 percent. Do you have any opinions on the inflation rate in that capacity?

I mean this is anecdotal but when i go to the grocery store now even and i'm not talking whole foods i mean just like walmart and whatever i can't get out of there without spending 200 i'm even buying meat it's we we went to the grocery store the other day and we filled up our cart and the final bill was like 30 higher than it was a few months ago. And I was just like, whoa. And I'm like, what do I'm looking at the receipt? Like what did, what happened? Oh yeah.

But you know, anyway. And also they're doing tricks too with like the packaging. Like you're not getting as much Cheerios in your box as you used to. Oh, they're getting smaller. And the cardboard is thinner. If you've noticed that, like there's all sorts of things. Right now I'm just saying like the last thing i want to be holding on to is us dollars so i bought you know some crypto we're uh just making sure that we're not sitting on the money and we're expanding the

business it's like i don't want just money sitting in the bank now we're gonna make sure we have the right cameras the right microphone microphones we're looking at at uh we just hired someone we hired another person today help us expand and produce more content and make things go faster. There was a period in my life where I'm like, I was always very much just save, save, save. Now it's like, get off dollars. Invest it in something else. We've got to be careful about hiring because we're going to need to pay them more eventually. Because the inflation isn't going to cap the land that you get or the cameras.

That's good. But people next year are going to need to be paid 20% or 30%. And will need to be paid more to cover their costs too. So I'm saying like instead of just holding on to – I mean I don't know if this is – did Mines make a public announcement recently? I don't want to say anything. It's not public.

I don't know. I don't know to be honest. Okay. Then we'll read it. Bill with that. Yeah. But there's a lot of companies that are announcing they're getting off fiat. Oh, yeah, yeah.

25% is now. They want 25% of their balance sheet is now in crypto. Wow. I think you're going to see way more of that. And they're like, China's banning crypto. I'm like, shut up. They ban crypto every other month. They started a cryptocurrency and then banned all the other ones.

Yep. Nice. The U.S. has got its plans for its coin or whatever. I don't know. I don't think all of these ultra millionaires and billionaires who have bought into Bitcoin are planning on losing it. Right. Especially overnight. So whenever these stories come out, it's always the poor people who sell off their cryptocurrencies.

I'm not giving any advice. You do whatever you want to do. I'm just saying the last thing I want to be sitting on is fiat currency. We want to hold things that will be good investments and hedge against the... We're in a death spiral as far as I can tell. Just to clarify, did China

actually, they started a crypto, a central cryptocurrency? I read that, but I didn't go deeply into fact-checking it. I didn't go deep into it. I saw it. Someone was like, that's why they made it illegal i don't know man what is legal without giving advice to anybody just what are your personal opinions on the state of the u.s dollar sure so i i should uh admit this that i i was very worried after the financial crisis in 2008 and so i was you know going around is my role, like affiliate with the Mises Institute and just in general as an

economist. And I was warning people about the stuff we were talking about, like how the banks create, you know, fractured reserve and so forth. And I thought you, we were going to see higher consumer price inflation earlier. And so I even,

you know, I had a public wager with another comment and I lost that. And guys like Paul Krugman were running Dictory Labs making fun of me. If you like, you mentioned Wikipedia. My Wikipedia entry is like, I was born, I lost that price inflation bet. And then, you know, maybe now I'll be on Tim Pool's show. And that'll be the three things that they mentioned in my life. But there, you know, I'm going to say, well, I think the rest of the world investors were just misanticipated.

You know what I mean? Like, I do think the dollar is going to crash in our lifetime for sure. I think it's going to be a lot sooner than that. Just because every time a crisis hits now, their solution is they throw trillions of new dollars at it. And so unless they stop doing that, you know, I think it's, like I said, we've seen it now with our own eyes. Like it was kind of weird.

And, you know, guys like me were, you you know people were calling us chicken littles and whatnot so i i sort of was mute about it for a while because it you know it didn't come when i thought it was going to but at this point clearly prices are rising rapidly around the country if last year beginning last year you bought steel chlorine cars computer chips cryptocurrency you'd be set for life i mean if you bought steel, chlorine, cars, computer chips, cryptocurrency, you'd be set for life. I mean, if you bought Bitcoin last year, like beginning of last year, you said, I'm going to put all my money in it right now. You would never have to work again. Like the amount that it's gone up since then is absolutely insane.

Have you studied a debt recall at all? Like the history of it over the millennia? I think the ancient Greece had a debt recall. Do you mean like where they just reset everything? Is that what you're saying? I mean, I haven't studied it. Where they're like, bring us all of your denars. Like every 50 years, jubilee in the Bible.

Like is that what, I mean, inevitably, I'm looking at this like it just is like I'm staring at a big pink elephant. And it is that this fiat system is going to crash. Right. So to me, I think that's partly tied in with this whole great reset and everything. I think the people running this system know that they're kind of pushing it to the limit, and that's why they're trying to get ahead of it.

And this is going to happen, and then they have things in the wings that they're going to bring in to replace the dollar is what I think ultimately is going to come down. Like they'll use BlackRock and then seize all of BlackRock's assets and then they'll have all the land and then they'll start renting it out to people for cheap or just for their slave labor or something. I mean, I don't know about those particular details, but yes, I think they do want to move to a society where there's a few multi-trillion, at that point, dollar companies in league with powerful states. And they kind of own all the real estate and whatnot, and everybody else is like a serf, like we said. And so they probably won't use U.S. dollars at that point. Yeah, you'll get an app, and use us dollars at that point yeah you'll get a little book you'll get an app and the app will be like did you get your loaf of bread this week then you'll like go to the store and you'll scan your phone what by the way to me another thing i see is like they're trying to get everyone off cash and i mean just little things like when

i go to the atm now the options it gives me for withdrawal it only goes up to 200 i can still type in a different screen to get more. But 20 years ago, it offered $300. Right now, we just said that could go in one visit to the grocery store. So you would think it would let you take out $700 right now as just a default option, but it doesn't. So I think they're trying to wean people off of holding cash and get everyone just swiping cards because they can control that. I think that special interests, politicians, nonprofits want the labor shortage. It's forcing kiosks and self-checkout.

So there's a big conversation about how do we – if we've got the potential for kiosk ordering at fast food restaurants, how do we transition people out of these jobs? They're going to get mad when they lose their jobs. Nobody wants Luddite riots, right? So what happens is, hey is hey look we got this opportunity there's there's people are freaking out let's now just start switching all these things over to self-checkout to self-service to kiosks and then no one's going to complain about losing their job because we're giving them unemployment benefits right and they're and they're also with that's the push for ubi and everything that they're they're yeah you're right i think they're

trying to get the public used to the idea that every month you just get a check from the government and then you're happy, right? And then you sit at home and you communicate through your screens and we regulate that flow of information. They'll be more miserable than they've ever been when that happens. Oh, sure. But – Purposeless, confused, angry. Yeah, I got this feeling like we talk about currency. I think of electrical currency and the future of currency is electricity and fusion.

I keep thinking about fusion. It's like the government or whoever is in charge is afraid that if people get the power of fusion that it would be too dangerous to give the individuals infinite, almost near infinite electricity. Cold fusion maybe. What other way could there be? Currency is already energy. Currency is always energy. Electricity is a form of currency. So are dollars dollars but i think dollars are becoming defunct dollars represent energy they don't represent anything anymore no they represent energy they used to represent gold and silver for one the u.s dollars backed uh sort of by oil it's

the petrodollar but it's also that the also that the currency and value has always been the energy that someone needs for some kind of outcome. So initially, we had wood, we had coal, we had all these different various forms of energy. When we would trade with someone, we want them to exert their energy towards us for some reason. So when you say the future of currency is electricity, I'm like, we already have the petrodollar. It you know very much so about fossil fuels to power all of our machines and all of our systems so already energy is backing our currency but oil is heavy so like if i was like hey hey neighborhood i want some food i'll give you some of my electricity so you can power your house and heat your home like those are things

that really matter having electricity having heating like like petroleum for heating your house but it's heavy you can't it's that's why we develop money in the first place how do we make electricity there's lots of ways to make electricity what are the prints what's the principal way we make electricity i don't know you'd have to get a i mean there's lots of ways but we get we get you burn stuff that's one way to do it the principal way we get electricity is coal we burn coal and other fuels and now natural gas to pressurize systems. So, yeah, you're saying it's heavy, but electricity is actually the afterproduct of the fossil fuels. So, yes, my point is that the fossil fuels generate electricity.

Electricity is already partly. But it's more than just that combustion kinetic energy. We convert fuels into motion. That's just too heavy to use as currency, though. That's the problem with it. You need lightweight. That's why we develop digital currency. That's why we develop paper or cotton dollars, because you can carry it around. Electricity is extremely difficult to move and store. I know. Right now it is.

Batteries. And I think that's intentional. I don't want to go down the conspiracy route, but I think that this stuff's being suppressed because they want to limit the power of the individual. All right. Well, let's see what the super chats have to say if you haven't already send us a super chat smash that like button subscribe to the channel don't forget go to timcast.com because we are going to have a members only segment coming up after the show just for all of you amazing members who support our work let's read what do we got here all right

let's see deprived dolphin says hey crew a judge recently ordered that my work mandate vaccines exception for medical and religious i'm refusing they will have to fire me well good for you for standing up for what you believe in and it's unfortunate that we've come to this all right let's see one two says any reason you haven't mentioned the illegal 50 000 illegal votes in the audit. And yes, they are illegal. There's no way around it, namely because I'm researching it. People were like, Tim's not going to talk about it.

Well, look, man, I'm not going to take any bold claims and just outright read like, here's what it said. I need to actually talk to some people. It's not something I can easily do, especially to be fair. Today was particularly hectic here with the projects we're working on. But yes, I've read a little bit. I've not read enough to be confident to opine on Arizona's audit. I can just put it that way for now. But I'd like to actually get maybe Bannon to come back or something. And then we would do a podcast episode of TimCast.com. I've had Matt Brainerd on the show.

We've had Steve Bannon on the show. We put that stuff on TimCast.com where you guys are able to see it uninterrupted and unimpeded. YouTube is a minefield. But at the very least, YouTube provides that bridge from YouTube to the website and to other outlets so that the information still persists in the ecosystem. All right. B. Anderson says, Tim, you said something in your earlier segment saying along the lines of, they are not going to ask for help, then filter out the ones they don't want. That's not entirely true.

Beggars are being choosers. I'm not sure what you were referring to. Beverly Baum says, I love you guys, but I miss Luke. Luke was on his way here when he suffered an unfortunate uh trucking accident oh geez no i don't know exactly what terrible he was just like hey i'll be there saturday then he said he couldn't make it because he was having car trouble so uh luke will be returning and it's all it's it's perfect timing too because we are really close to the new studio being done the construction is almost entirely done we just need to set up the supports for the

table once we do that though then we've got to do the camera positioning we're gonna have like wall mounted cameras it's gonna be really really awesome the lighting is amazing i don't know if you guys have watched the vlog but the lighting is a ring of led lights around the ceiling so it's like perfectly lit it's amazing all right let's see what do we got here? John Eakin says, how would you feel about dropping the business tax rate from 25% to 5% if companies evenly distribute the other 20% among its employees? Eliminate tax deductions, and if companies don't, then their tax rate would be 30% and make Social Security opt in. Did you catch all that? Yeah. I mean, I would like to make the business tax rate 0%.

And so, you know, if he's given options to lower it. As far as Social Security, yeah, I have a whole article people Google, you know, Robert Murphy, Social Security reform. I think you can find it. That's what I've tried to do. Because what happens right now with Social Security is I think if you allowed people to opt out, they would get a higher rate of return on their investment, just private sector. And also, too, the government could borrow. I don't know if it's true right now, but a few years ago when interest rates were really low, the government could have borrowed on better terms from just private lenders than it was implicitly paying workers. In other words, when they take your payroll taxes, your contributions, and then they promise you benefits down the road,

implicitly they're forcing you to lend them money. And so they were actually paying a higher rate of return on that than they could borrow out in the regular debt market. So it was like a win-win thing where let people opt out, and it would fix the finances or it would improve them and then allow people more flexibility all right andrew kramer says did you guys see that colonel stewart scheller is being incarcerated for speaking up about the military leadership's failure regarding afghanistan i did not hear that you guys hear that no i didn't hear that

that's crazy look that up joseph henson says it's been a hell of a ride boys yep Trevor Ellis says evening Tim and crew from Canada as a construction contractor I've been refused service from local suppliers because I refused the jab 20 year relationship gone the fear mongering is real up here oh yeah man

alright James Johnson says just watched Stargate episode that alternate earth dimension had suspended all assets of democracy. Almost had an anxiety attack. You ever see a Stargate SG one? I have. I had known all that episode though. There's an episode where it's in,

I think season two, maybe I'm not sure. Maybe one. Daniel goes through what's called a quantum mirror and he goes to an earth that's under alien attack. So they've suspended basically all rights and they're like we have no choice they were riots

they they wouldn't support the war effort we're about to be wiped out by an alien race and so you're like watching the american president these people give you their justification where they're like we have we have to do it otherwise we die they had to divert like 80 of all electricity towards a system to like defend themselves so So everyone's working around the clock, slave labor. Otherwise, the aliens destroy the planet. FYI, if aliens attacked right now, we are doomed because we sit on a stupid centralized electric grid. Come on. Seriously.

They'd come and they'd be like, oil production over. And then we'd be like, oh, no, what do we do? Yeah. All right. I bloodroot says grandpa with dementia past saturday alone in an nj hospital luckily my dad got to see him a week ago hospital won't let priests in to perform last rites he's cremated but no funerals wakes allowed anyway thank you for keeping me sane love y'all that is brutal man i am sorry to hear that this this is it's it's it's a purge man it's a culture

revolution it's it's just everything all rolled into one. We are watching a slow motion fifth generational coup, revolution, whatever you want to call it. In every facet. It's political, it's cultural, it's financial. It's happening right before our eyes in slow motion. I feel like we're watching the puppets dancing

and that we have the opportunity to build the puppetry, the puppet master with technology and the code, software code. But a lot of it's what the puppets are doing when in reality you should be focused on the puppeteer. Yeah, it surprised me how fast they – I wouldn't have guessed a year ago that they would have federally put out the vaccine mandates and whatnot. I'm surprised, given the opposition to it, how aggressively they're pushing that. All right. Let's see what we got.

Toby Walker says there are numerous open source versions of Unix but yes Linux was originally a hacked and reverse engineered Unix enhanced by Richard Stallman. The GPL license is a special thing. Please check it out.

Should we make Linus Torvald a saint? A saint? Why? Saint Torvald? He built Linux. Well he saved a bunch of corporations untold sums of cash. So I went to... So did Stallman.

I can't remember what store I was at. It was a big chain store. And their self-checkouts were running Linux. I mean, they all do. But something happened where it crashed, and it was very obvious that you could see the Linux screen. And then I thought it was funny. And I was like, oh, look, it's Linux.

And one of my hacker friends was like, why would they spend money on closed source proprietary software when linux is free and i'm like oh yeah so when they've got to operate you know 500 000 terminals at all of their chain stores around the world use the free software instead of paying ridiculous sums you know so there you go crispy kade says tim have you seen the quote talk while it's still legal shirt rihanna war she's also siding with nikki minaj the culture war is turning or maybe i don't know maybe these people have never trusted the government you know maybe these these you know i mean these people like rihanna nikki minaj and you know lil wayne this crew these this group of individuals and friends not to mention i think it's fair to point out point out Joe Biden saying the Tuskegee Airmen when he meant Tuskegee Experiments,

but the Tuskegee Experiments is a good case of the black community not trusting the government. Glacia says to Ian, a parallel internet might even be necessary by this point. Look up Project New IP by Huawei that will be voted by the ITU in 2022. It acts as anonymity and no endpoint buffers against viruses whoa interesting yeah there'll probably be um near infinite amounts of parallel internets running all right edward sasita says covid camp in centralia washington is looking for an isolation and quarantine strike team member. Job DOH 5814. Yeah, people are tweeting that like crazy.

You see that one? It's like a job opening for an isolation and quarantine strike team member. I didn't look it up, but you know. All right, let's see. Andrew Broswell says, your impressive top tier Austro-Libertarian podcaster collection is nearly complete. Now that you've had Bob Malice, Dave Smith, Peter Quinones, and Scott Horton on,

the only person you're missing is the heroic Tom Woods. Ah, I knew it. All right. Call him up. We'll help you get him. Have you guys been in a room together,

all of you guys? That'd be fun, yeah. No, we thought it'd be too dangerous for the liberty movement. Yeah, it's how they fly via president and vice president separately, right?

Yep. You can't have them all in the same place. All right. Let's see. Track media only says, ask South Korean and Taiwan how separation has been working for them. Then with the U.S. gone, how about Russia has treated borders since U.S.

Sars broke up? Long-term loss for short-term gain at best. With China waiting, it isn't even that. I'll put it this way. I think the U.S. breaking up is dangerous and terrifying because China just sweeps it and takes whatever they want. So not good in the long run, but what's the alternative? International

conflict with China? It's got to be something new that hasn't been thought of yet. Some kind of messiah-like figure returns? A superman or a saint figure? Yeah, like the second coming that convinces everyone that they are the second coming what we're all fingers of god man okay what could hit what my hope though

and that's him is that like let's say texas or other states break away and then yeah on paper it looks like oh so now if the u.s empire empire falls, China takes over. And that certainly will happen. I think the Chinese will be the people in charge of the 21st century. But like a free Texas, let's say, that it's so productive and they really are free, the freest country on earth, then that, in other words, the statists underestimate the power of actual freedom. And so on paper, they're like, oh, yeah, go ahead and break away, you idiot. What are you going to do, 30 million people or whatever but 30 million free people can do a lot more than they realize yeah turk longwell says tim ian doing live searches

was a good call well that was entirely ian he brought his computer up one day and started searching for stuff it's great it's good for us and him lol yeah that's for sure great guest too sir thanks for all the different perspective f sour patch kids right i win oh yeah i have more followers than they do but um aren't you a big fan of sour patch kids i am so it's kind of hard for me but you decided one day to be mean to them i did yeah stan t o o says mr murphy would it be possible for the states to create free trade zones is there a way to limit government overreach but still be a pseudo nation okay so i'm not sure if he's talking about the context of our discussion of secession so clearly like if

the states break a word break away then yeah i would tell that the texas government at that point maintain free trade with all the other states you know and maybe washington to punish them would not do that just like with brexit like that was the big that was one of the things that the you know the europe European union said is, well, if you guys break away, you're not going to have free trade. And then I don't know what the status of that bluff is at this point,

but yeah, I mean, as an economist, free trade standard, that's one of the things that made the U S so productive and rich was that internally it was a giant free trade zone. So if, if any of these places do break away politically,

still have free trade with all and, you know, relatively open, you know open coming and going. So that's the thing, too, to maintain a free society. You're just politically severing. That's the thing. It's not isolationism to say we're going to stop sending our money to Washington. Right.

I mean, we're already seeing the country breaking apart with California beingia being like no official travel to any of these places right right drivers in in texas aren't gonna be able to deliver uh goods to new york where there's vaccine mandates because they don't they're not under the same rules unless they get vaccinated all right sunny james says my sister-in-law a adn when the national guard came in for the pandemic when they had no staffing short when they had no staffing shortages she said they were ineffective, mostly stood around to the point they used them for menial tasks like charting.

Civil jobs are just different. All right. Emily Mower says, as someone who has lived my whole life in New Hampshire, Ian needs to shut up about my state. What did you say about her state that was bad?

I don't know. Oh, you called them all stupid. That's right. Yeah, Ian was like, do Andrew's job. And we're like, Ian needs to shut up about my state. What did you say about our state that was bad? I don't know. Oh, you called them all stupid. That's right. Yeah, Ian was like, New Hampshire, stop! And we're like, Ian, stop! I've never been to New Hampshire. I think I've been through New Hampshire. How dare you? I like New Hampshire a lot, actually. Alright. The Raptors Talent with a big ol' super chat. Thanks, appreciate it. It says, Ian, I disagree with your options.

First, in order to escape the fiat currency, you have to have a lot of it to work with. Not everyone has that. Second, it's nearly impossible to get the funds to escape the power grid. And third, cryptocurrency, as I understand it, only works in a society that does not have a concept of scarcity. Why is that last point? I'm not sure I understand that last point, though.

Cryptocurrency only works in a society that does not have a concept of scarcity no bitcoin is a scarce resource yeah I don't think it would be the other way around I don't get what they're saying like that's the whole virtue of bitcoin is it's absolutely scarce and there's a whole bunch of different types of crypto

some like dogecoin slowly grows some slowly shrinks there's a what is it like is definks. There's a... What is it? Is DeFi? There's a deflationary token that is just... You buy it and then it's guaranteed to deflate. That's the way to do it. That seems like a silly reverse kind of...

It disincentivizes holding it. That's the key. You want to not hold currency. You want to keep it moving. Well, no, but a currency that's slowly vanishing becomes more and more valuable. So people will hold it. And you can create more? No, no, no.

You can't create. That's the point. There are certain tokens they made that slowly burn. Every time a transaction happens, a portion of it gets destroyed. So that over time, there's less and less. And if there's a culture building around it and more demand for it but a shrinking supply, the value goes up. So you could buy one and then wait a year and then it will naturally be worth 10 times or something. He's right that what I was saying isn't triage techniques.

These things that I said like getting off the central grid, getting your own food supply. These are like endemic solutions. But as a triage of what to do right now, I don't know. I'm at a loss. I'm listening. I don't know. I'm at a loss. If you got – I'm listening. I don't know. I kind of feel like we can sit here and freak out about China and those other countries all day and night, and I think it will be really, really bad. But it just kind of feels to me that the path we're on, there's no exit ramp.

Texas is already doing the ATF law thing where they're like, we can do our own suppressors, ATF be damned. New Hampshire is overtly like we want to secede. A handful of people in New Hampshire. But the Free State Project, very much so. California, I mean, they're banning travel to other states. Already people, like states in this country are like, we don't like you. We don't want to work with you. So if this just continues the same way it's been going, it ultimately just results in states being like, yo, we out.

And then what? I think we'll be fine here in the U.S. for some time. But if China becomes, you know, stays on top and begins exerting influence in other states, they'll instantly get influence in the West Coast where they have tremendous pressure. And then they'll slowly start coming in. Europe will be too weak to do anything. And then China becomes the global dominant superpower with military bases everywhere. Let us not forget the cartels. Ed Calderon, shout out last week.

Fantastic episode. Check it out. I highly recommend it if you didn't see it yet. But I mean, that's like a government itself. And it's right on the border and within our country. All right. See, MCOFKI says, TIGTOW, Texans going their own way. That's right. I like it.

Kennedy Marine Detailing says, The tyranny Athens imposed on others, it finally imposed on itself. Thucydides. Very interesting. Sarah says, Conch Republic, 1982. True secessionist movement in Florida Keys

in response to federal government overreach. I don't know anything about it. Do you guys know anything about this? What's it called? Do you know about it? I don't know about that, no. The Conch Republic, 1982. No.

Logan Culver says, Tim, today I joined you in the 35-year-old camp. Have you watched the Monopoly on Violence yet? Mr. Murphy here is excellent, and I love you guys. Dave Smith, 2024. And then there's a, I think it's a black flag and a gorilla excellent

this here says from contra republic.com it's a micro nation declared as a tongue-in-cheek secession of the city of key west florida from the united states 1902 and it's been maintained as a tourism booster oh for the city you guys ever hear of christiania in uh it's in copenhagen in denmark yeah yeah it's like the free zone It's a small little area that doesn't abide by any of the laws or whatever. And I guess you just go in there and then you're,

it says now leaving the EU when you walk in. And I guess the restaurants there don't pay taxes or something. I don't know a whole lot too much about it. I've actually been there several times. It's a really cool place.

Good French fries and, I think I had schnitzel, I can't remember. But yeah, it's this cool little place of people who live there and it's like secessionist anarchist community., it's this cool little place. There are people who live there, and it's like a secessionist, anarchist community.

So it's not tongue-in-cheek. They really don't pay business taxes and whatnot? That's what I was told. There's a skate park there. You can just walk in. It's like they built a skate park, and it's indoor, and you just go in there and skate. It's fun. And then there are some businesses that operate in there, and my understanding is they just tell the government to screw off.

Yeah. A bunch of houses there yeah so i think you know you guys are right that it in practice probably instead of like a formal vote and reference you know it it'll be more just people just not complying with you know local people especially if they're in rural communities but it's not going along with stuff it's not it's i don't think it'll be conscious i don't think it's going to be one day someone just goes like you know what i hereby decide I'm not going to follow. I think one day someone's going to be like, you know, there haven't been any feds coming through our part in a long time. I haven't seen what they do.

And you think about it this way. When people just drive cars and they speed. Right. Everyone speeds five miles over and they're like, I'm not going to get pulled over. Sometimes the cops do. But it's because people don't have confidence in the government, the police, to actually stop everyone going five miles over the limit. So everybody just does it. And then it's safer to go five miles.

You want to match the speed of all the other cars, even if they're going over the speed limit. That's the safest thing you could do is match traffic speed. If today every cop said we're going to pull over anyone going over the limit, they would not change a thing. They do not have the manpower to pull over every single car when there is a culture built around going five miles over the limit. Yeah, I think if, say, speed limit's 60 and everyone's going 85 and you're going 60, you'll get pulled over because you're not being safe. Sometimes.

But, yeah, they could argue you were, like, putting traffic at risk because you weren't going to the flow, and then you'd be like, they were speeding. But the point is it's just people doing it. So what happens when one day people in Texas are like, we always do X. And then the Fed one day is like, you can't do X. They're going to be like, you can't stop us. This is something we always do.

No one there has faith in the federal government to stop them, so they just keep doing it, and the Feds can't do anything about it. Especially desperation. If people are unemployed and they're poor and they can't pay things then they just don't because they can't can't means that it is impossible so you could see that you see like civil disobedience through desperation b walsh says i'll uh he says your statement he says a lee your statement i'm not sure who's referring to that everything has a label, reminds me of a Pirates of Caribbean quote. Barbosa said, the world used to be a bigger place.

And then Jack Sparrow says, the world's the same, there's just less in it. Interesting, there's more people. James Lindberg says, FedEx is straight up losing my packages lately. Yes, I've said the same thing. Have you noticed that? FedEx announced they were rerouting 600,000 packages per day due to a driver shortage. So we've had just tons

of stuff that we've ordered just not show up. I'm like, yo, I'm not even worried about it because I've been paying attention to everything falling apart already. So I'm just like, yep, it's to be expected, I guess. Yeah, I haven't noticed that with FedEx per se, but lots of things anecdotally. Yeah, just you go to the grocery store and there's holes.

My local grocery store has redesigned itself to be carrying a lot less inventory. And I think it was because it just jumped out before. And so they got rid of a lot of shelves and whatever. So, yeah, it does look like the economy is retooling itself to get by with fewer workers like you were saying with with the kiosks and whatnot as well i wonder if everyone's going to have their own personal drone that you send out for delivery when you order something you'll send it and it will go to the place to pick up the thing and bring it back to you angela mcardle says bob what do people mean when they say they believe natural rights are real um well i mean there's a in a libertarian tradition there's the the tradition of natural law so i i think um she's saying is

as opposed to merely just like what's a consequential or utilitarian thing that there's a sense in which no people really do have these rights, and it comes from natural law, whether you believe in God or just the nature of human beings and their essence. So I think if someone says that, what they're trying to stress is just like 2 plus 2 really does equal 4. That's not just a social convention. We don't just say that because the economy grows faster if we all pretend that it does. It really does. There's an absolute there so i i think if i'm understanding her question that she's delineating some people believe in rights like that really is something intrinsic to human beings by their their nature as opposed to

this is a a fiction perhaps or a convention that leads to you know things we like yeah tyrannous says who made the painting behind the guest the canine skull monster that is the snow white zombie apocalypse art i don't know the artist but that is a comic series by brent lengel that i uh i helped kickstart and there's a couple of them and so we got this this big awesome poster that was really cool because i i thought it was fun i think the art is fantastic and uh what you can't see so most of you can see the the creepy g prime 85 george alexopolis paintings all over the place uh or i should i shouldn't they're digital i don't know they're not paintings but we do have a painting we got of like this cool

aurora borealis you can't see it's uh actually maybe i think that shows up on that one yeah yeah yeah you can see it when ian's sitting in the other chair so we actually have more than just joe biden you know eating kids or or stealing the blackness from a woman. That is our theme, apparently. And we're definitely going to do some more art with the new studio room. We're going to do a 3D-printed TimCast thing. That'll be a lot of fun. Or maybe resin-printed.

That would be awesome. Yeah, all sorts of stuff. We can have a cycling art center that changes every week or something. We're going to put little shelves with little stuff on it. Maybe the gorillas over there on the shelf. Things like that. So we have a slightly bigger room in the new studio. It's going to put little shelves with little stuff on it, maybe like the gorillas over there on the shelf, things like that. So we have a slightly bigger room in the new studio. It's going to be fun.

It's actually maybe a little narrower but a lot longer. Well, a little bit longer. Yeah, we're in an A-frame. That other one has a flat roof, but it's higher. But not the A-frame. It's not as high as the A-frame. Right. It'll be interesting.

It'll be interesting. But, yeah, check it out. It's Snow White Zombie Apocalypse. interesting it'll be interesting but uh yeah check it out it's a snow white zombie apocalypse j rich says buy crypto now or be a slave to those that did straight up time is running out j rich that's financial advice people are gonna now file suits being like j rich told me to buy crypto i'm kidding all right let's see flying raptor jesus says we don't need secession we need the country ran like it was supposed to be every state state governs itself, and the Fed has no power over them. They have too much power, and they make states turn on each other. Yeah, the Fed has grown too encumbering, I think.

You know, when the idea was like a loose federal government, it made sense. The states did their thing. Now it's just, you know, the federal government is basically the country and no one cares about the states anymore yeah just to give people an anecdote of how much so that's the thing like people when they when you learn in school like about checks and balances it's always like the federal level but federalism used to be the big thing like the difference from what the federal government could do versus the states just to give a quick example my understanding is in the eisenhower administration when they built the interstate highway system, they actually had to defend that by saying, oh, well, if we got invaded, it'd be easier to move troops around.

So national defense, that's how the federal government has the authority to build highways. Like that was the level of discussion. Whereas later, when someone asked, I don't know if you guys heard this, some reporter from a conservative news site asked Nancy Pelosi, where in the Constitution does it give you guys the authority to do obamacare or affordable care act and she said are you serious are you serious like she thought it was a joke like what do you mean where in the constitution like that was the level the federal government could just do things right like the idea that she had to justify like no it's it's you know health care of course steven whedon says tim do you think there will be a solar flare next year i have no idea is there going to be a solar flare next year there's lots of solar flares all

frequently right should we build a faraday cage big hard i thought we were going to build a faraday i don't know where to put it we'll do it the new the new uh place where we're yeah we'll build about we'll create we'll make it we should make science center you know we should do it should be a faraday cage with a small faraday cage inside of it and then a faraday case cage inside of it oh yeah so in the triple layer faraday defense we'll have like a laptop and a cell phone yeah because in the land of the solar flare destroyed computers the man with a laptop is king sunny james says rockefeller once believed oil could cure cancer this robotics of the future proponents think the same thing my thing is we've seen how the state treats non-essential workers already i have no hope for what they do to us when the robots actually take over our jobs well haven't

you guys played um detroit become human or what it was called where like the the robots become sentient and then you know they're trying to escape they're being oppressed all right let's see matthew hasslehorse says i told the leftist peer at work about ed calderon on your show he didn't believe the violence is as bad as it is on the border because ed is on your right wing show he says the border is the same under biden that's just factually not true correct yeah under trump it was bad the worst we'd seen in a long time. I believe it's substantially worse now and it was worse sooner. Interestingly, under Trump, there was a major spike seeing some of the worst levels of illegal immigration, but Trump was

freaking out about it and trying to stop it. So at the very least, you could say he had that. But with Joe Biden, the surge actually happened earlier. And Joe Biden literally said we should surge the border. The people who want to come should. I mean, that's a quote. We had Alex Jones on the show. He said it, and we looked it up. All right, let's see what we got. Wait, what's this?

Derek Elwell says, did that guy spend $1,200 on three identical Super Chats? Really? Where? I want to see that. I don't know if I see those. I don't know. Derek Elwell says, did that guy spend $1,200 on three identical Super Chats? Really? Where? I want to see that. I don't know if I see those. I don't know. Yeah, no, that's not sure. I think you have incorrect data. That'd be great, though.

Everyone give us all the Super Chats. Caleb Goforth says, hey, Ian, I'm from the Youngstown, Ohio area. I'm a welder. Would be cool to talk about the big resignation of cops in the area and the rust belt in general would also like to give perspective on being mixed in america interesting well um you check the spin the ufo email don't you yeah i do spin the ufo at gmail.com general show increase in tips all right brandon mckinnon says tim we have we have to have an open platform solution i work for one of the big it providers and they're all having integration difficulties

interesting yeah fediverse is something we're working on right now and it's coming along swimmingly nice i think it's simplicity too it's going to be a lot easier to do it's just about coordinating it at this point. All right. Let's see. We'll grab a couple more. Jack Straw says, ask Bob to do karaoke in a bonus segment. Do you sing?

Yes, I do. Oh, really? I thought that was maybe like an inside joke or something. No. I used to, after like Mises events, we would like take the kids. This is my younger days when I had more energy. We'd go out to the karaoke bar. Oh, okay. All right.

There you go. There's some footage of me on YouTube. So yes, I do sing. Very cool. Tom Balzer says, Bob, do you plan on moving to Texas or are you a bystander in the secession movement? We're actually moving to Florida for family reasons. So I did realize that, yeah, if I'm pushing the Texas thing, that's going to sound, but

no, I still think Texasxas should secede all right under 100 calories says tim soon with the rising unemployment it sounds like the plot for detroit to become human hey you see you just brought them there you go all right we'll do uh we'll just do uh one more Adam V. Artori says, you guys should ADV China on as a guest. They lived in China for a while and have some great insights on China and its government. Fear Chinese soft power, not its military. And I think that's exactly what we're experiencing. Soft power, economic, cultural.

They're turning our movies into Chinese propaganda. I mean, they got it. They got our basketball stars, our billionaires all saying, oh, China's great because they're getting value from it. And that's the weakness of the system. There was, I forget the name of the movie. There was a movie out recently. It had Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jackie Chan in it.

And it was like you could see, you know, some action film. You know, it was a cheesy action film, whatever. It was okay. But there were parts where it was clear that the actors had been speaking in Chinese and then they dubbed the U.S., and so presumably in China they did the reverse. So I thought that was a great harbinger of the future of the melding of major blockbusters. In other words, like 30 years from now, I think the way right now it's like, oh, yeah, America runs the blockbuster enterprise. I don't think that's going to be the case anymore.

Yeah, you're going to watch a movie with English subtitles, and it's going to be in Mandarin. Exactly. And again, some people say, oh, so that's the way, whatever, whether you think that's going to be the case anymore. Yeah, you're going to watch a movie with English subtitles and it's going to be in Mandarin. Exactly. And again, some people say, oh, so that's the way, whatever, whether you think it's a good or bad thing. I'm just saying the people who poo-poo the idea, oh, China's not going to do much, look at their military. But you're right. They're not going to have to drop. They already are buying up. They own a lot of the U.S. Treasury debt.

They're buying up real estate. So they don't need to come in and drop bombs to take over in a soft way. I was thinking they did this strong, this big flex like, hey, we're going to ban crypto. It didn't even budge the market. China, this whole Chinese CCP thing. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for hanging out. It's been a blast.

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