Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #393 - Democrats Prepare To ARREST Steve Bannon For Contempt w/Will Chamberlain

Episode Date: October 15, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join friend and editor of Human Events Will Chamberlain to discuss how Dems are plotting to get Steve Bannon arrested, the judge holding DC jailkeepers in contempt for their treatment of January 6th protesters, Zuckerberg's very real contribution to get out the vote for Democrats, Instagram's censorious new warning label for independent journalism, Joe Rogan's conversation with CNN's doctor Sanjay Gupta, and CNN's theory that doing independent research makes people more likely to believe misinformation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Democrats on the January 6th committee have subpoenaed many of Trump's allies, notably Steve Bannon, who is refusing to comply with the subpoena, which means the Democrats are going to hold him in contempt. And now you can see all across Twitter, people are saying, send in the marshals. They are gleefully cheering for the arrest of a political rival who they accuse of being involved in the insurrection. And it's all based on lies. It's all based on lies.

So we know that Steve Bannon said that he was there helping organize a rally. The leftist media then took that and tried to make it seem like he said he organized the active riot at the Capitol. That is the sentiment. That's the fake news that riles people up who then say, arrest him and arrest him now. And it's it's absolutely getting crazy. We got other stories in fake news, my friends. We've got CNN and Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan grilling Sanjay Gupta, getting him to say, yes, you're right, CNN should not have said ivermectin was horse dewormer or that you were taking it. But then Sanjay Gupta goes on Aaron Burnett's show, who lied about it,

and Don Lemon's show, who lied about it, and they double down and Sanjay Gupta does not correct them because they are fake news. But outside of that, I think it's all part of the bigger story in that the economy is collapsing. We're on the verge of some kind of civil war. We're actively seeing now people trying to arrest each, you know, their political rivals, which has been the case, I guess, for several years. We've just resisted the actual action of doing so, but now it's looking like it's getting to

that point. And we have a, this is crazy, a jail warden in D.C. being held in contempt over violating the civil rights of one of the January 6th defendants. So maybe that's some good news in the end, that some judges are actually going to be like, yo, people have civil rights. But I think in the long run, it's feeling like falling apart. Well, joining us to talk all about this is Will Chamberlain of Human Events. Yes, I'm a lawyer, co-publisher of Human Events, senior counsel to the Internet

Accountability Project, which fights big tech abuse, and always happy to be here with you guys. Welcome. Hi, my name's Luke Rudowsky, and I really do believe that independent media could only survive with members area, and that's why the shirt i'm wearing right now is only one that you could get exclusively by being a part of luke uncensored.com there's no profit to us and you could wear our unofficial uniform of our not secret society and instagram is telling people not to follow me we're going to be talking about that later but uh yeah no it's crazy out there yeah i unfollowed luke to see what happened and followed him and it's like are you sure you want to follow this guy he's fake news yeah our fact checker said so uh it's it's mind-boggling uh i got a lot to say

about this like i i feel like i want to know this just in case i ever i mean yeah is it contagious can we catch the fake news i mean you guys you guys just followed me so you guys are probably on the second list of the main list, so be warned. I mean, you guys are there too, so welcome to the club. I've been following you since before you were fake news, so I wonder if they'll have me on some sort of list now. I think a long time

ago. I guess we're listing ourselves by putting ourselves on social media. Interesting world we live in. Hey, Will, I'm glad you're here. Jordan, congratulations, you guys. First time I've seen you guys since you tied the knot. Welcome to the studio, bro bro yeah no it's good to be back a married man and uh baby on the way yes we made a public announcement about that yeah yeah so so what's married life like uh it's nice i guess i i i'm enjoying it very much uh is it that different from pre-married life not Not under the circumstances, I guess.

I don't know. Very well spoke. Very awesome. Thanks, man. I'm also here pushing buttons. Hopefully better tonight. I'm finally getting to the swing of things. I always find that getting a new routine when you start a new method of doing things is key.

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interested in how they would frame it, especially considering the kind of left establishment. They write, Steve Bannon, Congress plots criminal charge for former Trump aide. Mr. Bannon has been summoned to testify before the congressional panel investigating the riot on Thursday. He did not appear, prompting the head of the committee to schedule a Tuesday vote to hold him in criminal contempt. If convicted, Mr. Bannon faces a fine up to one year in prison. Democrats say he is trying to delay the probe. Mr. Bannon, a former right-wing media executive who became Mr. Trump's chief strategist, was fired from the White House. Yeah, we get it.

He was asked to testify regarding his communication with Mr. Trump a week before the incident, as well as his involvement in discussing plans to overturn the election results that saw Joe Biden in the White House. I don't I don't know if that's fair framing. He's not to overturn the election results. He certainly thinks there's widespread fraud. But what they're doing is there was this thing he said where he was like, you know, I was there and I was talking with Trump right before the rally and helped organize it or something. And they're trying to take that and reframe it as though he said he organized the riot, which he didn't. Now, my biggest, the bigger thing here to me, that's scary. Establishment Democrats and for all intents and purposes Republicans, but they're actually Democrats, are now actually going after people.

They're going after private citizens to force them to testify in their crackpot probe. If they actually come and arrest Bannon over this, it's like we're dangerously close, in in my opinion to a spark of some kind of civil war um i i wouldn't be quite so pessimistic in the short term because i think ultimately the the amount of time it will take them to even get to the point right like congress doesn't have the ability to charge somebody with contempt or prosecute them right they were they're relying on referring it to the u.s attorney of dc and then that actually has to go through normal criminal process. Um, Bannon's not just making a claim that basically he's not, he's making a claim. Like I read the

lawyer, the letter he sent to his lawyer or his lawyer sent to the Congress. And he's, they're claiming, look, the, you know, the president's claimed his executive privilege and I'm as an aid to him or somebody who, you know, was talking with him, I'm bound by that. I'll be happily to produce the documents if you come to an agreement with the Trump, you know, the Trump people, or if you get a court order saying so. Under those circumstances, I don't know if they're going to be able to prove criminal contempt. It'll take a long time to get proven. But I think the really big problem here is, you know, you notice what they're talking about.

What is the January 6th commission about? Is it designed to help with any legislative purpose? No, no, it's that. And that's the bigger issue, right? Yeah. I'm not saying that we're at the point where, you know, all of a sudden we're going to see another, you know, CNN showing up at six in the morning to Bannon's house or anything like that. But we're, we're, we're moving from, we had in the Trump era lock her up you know arrest hillary clinton and a lot of people being like yeah she should be arrested i mean she should be locked up for the email scandal at the very least let alone lots of other things that went down with with uh you know the clinton foundation and serious things that should be investigated

and now we're moving towards people are actively cheering and screaming on both sides for the arrest of the other side like i can't imagine, regardless of who's right or wrong, that this is going to lead to somewhere good. No, it's not. And the fact that we're even doing committees like this, again, Congress is – the reason they have subpoena power, they're not a court. And they also don't have law enforcement power. That's in the executive branch. They have legislative power. So the goal of any committee has to have some legislative purpose.

It makes sense they can subpoena something the executive branch is doing because they kind of oversee it. They authorize the funding for it. But here it's like, they're doing an investigation of private criminal behavior, right? Or what they think private objectionable private behavior. Well, that's, that's a star chamber. Like they're, they don't have to go get a warrant when they go issue these subpoenas. Um, and so there has to be some limitation on what they can subpoena based on. And apparently they've just decided, no, we can just subpoena people to embarrass our political opponents. And that's efficient.

But this is nothing new. I mean, they've been doing it to lower level people. And I think it's only escalating to where it's now. And I wouldn't be surprised if even if it does take a long time that they're still going to try to go after Bannon criminally because they go after people politically all the time. You look at the activities of the FBI. They are extremely political. They choose and select who they go after.

Oh, Jeffrey Epstein, 30 years. Doesn't matter. Oh, someone lied to Congress. We have to get a SWAT team in front of their house with CNN right in the morning as fast as we can. As long as the name's not James Clapper. Exactly. Or Dr. Fauci, our lord and savior, Dr. Fauci, who's always right, never wrong. That was really one of my favorite moments when Rand Paul was like, you conducted gain-of-function research. Gain-of-function research is defined as modifying a virus to increase infectivity.

And then Fauci is like, we didn't do gain-of-function research. We just modified a virus for increased infectivity. He went full lawyer. He went full, like, I am being deposed. Fauci, who's normally open in his language and very loose. It is not a door. It is a large wooden object with a latch that when you turn a metal object releases it, allowing that wooden plank to be moved. Yeah, and it's just a coincidence that it's almost the same genetic sequence that we were asking for grant funding with the exact cleavage site with the exact sickness that's going around the world right now.

It's just a coincidence. Not here to question anything, YouTube overlords. Please, we love Fauci. You see that woman who was skydiving? Yes, that was brilliant. There's a woman and she's skydiving, and the instructor, who they're in tandem, his helmet said, Arrest Fauci, Infowars.com.

And then she posted, like, I trusted this man with my life. And it wasn't until after we saw the photo we realized what the sticker said. And she was, like, shocked. And I'm like, what did you think was going to happen? That, like, this flight instructor was like, I'm going down with her to, like, get her or something? They're attached together. He's got a sticker on his forehead. That's how insane it is, though.

You know, I think there's one of the phenomena, one of the circumstances in the culture war. Conservatives don't care interacting with the left. Or I shouldn't even say conservatives, but, like, whatever the freedom side is, doesn't mind going to a store owned by a bunch of people with Biden flags. There's Biden flags all over, and they sell cupcakes. Look, I want a cupcake. I don't care that much. The other way around, though, they'll throw a brick through your window this woman's freaking out like i can't even go skydiving so look donald trump didn't do nearly enough with the presidential powers the democrats

as soon as they get power they're it's the equivalent of throwing a brick through the window of the right yeah there's a lot of republicans i remember remember the national emergency debate about whether the president should declare a national emergency to try and build the wall. And how much like establishment Republicans were like, well, this will set a really bad precedent that Democrats could exploit. And it's like you say that. And then when Democrats take power, they all complain about, look at all the unprecedented things that Democrats are doing. It's like if they do unprecedented things, maybe you shouldn't really care that much about what precedents you set

because the Democrats don't care. But Will, they're paid a lot of money just to be the second level Democrats. You didn't know about this. They're paid just to be the cushion for the globalist agenda that they're pushing through. That is such a good analogy. Who came up with that one?

It wasn't me originally, but it might have been it might have been kurt schlichter i don't know the washington the republicans the washington generals to the democrats harlem also might have been yarvin uh back in the day i don't know but like that's that's actually i think yeah it's a very good description like what is their purpose and so people are like how come tim pool is always ragging on democrats i'm like because mitch mcconnell is sitting on his hands that That's about it? Yeah. I mean, there's not much to complain about other than he's ineffective.

And, well, I'll tell you this. How much money did he make over his career in the Senate? He's tens of millions of dollars. Man, screw all of these corrupt... I was almost going to swear, but I won't do it. It's all the same. It's all the same. They make... Somehow they get a salary of, you know, $170 to $200K.

They become worth $30, $, $40,000,000. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters buying a mansion. It's all the same. There's people on TikTok literally making their careers off of stock picks that Nancy Pelosi makes. Seriously, this is not funny. This is real. The amount of money that she made is absolutely insane. But what's happening to Bannon, I believe, is a part of a slippery slope because we saw what happened politically when people on the left,

when they were protesting for left issues, were arrested. They raised money for them. They got them out. They elected prosecutors. George Soros dumped a huge amount of money into local politics, and they were able to rig the game where their people don't go to jail. Their people don't get prosecuted. But if you sneeze in the wrong direction, if you're a part of the opposite party, you're going to see a heavy hammer come down on you. And with, on average,

Americans committing three felonies a day, when we have the politicization of our justice system, we're slowly evolving into the destruction of it. And I think this is the start. I think it started a long time ago, but I think this is the beginning of it. And I think it's only going to swell and be made worse moving forward. I see someone in the chat said, Tim, run for Senate. And I was thinking about it just now, and I'm like, if I did and I won, I would get really, really rich. Because as a member of the Senate, you'll make on average, I think, two to three million dollars a year on your one hundred and seventy four thousand dollar salary.

So it sounds it sounds pretty good. You run for Senate, somehow become a millionaire because it's just magic. It's just, you know, just all of a sudden money just appears. And no one knows where it comes from. Well, I mean, you know, it comes from Hunter Biden style deals. You just you just need to have children and then you can have them go earn. You can probably get a cushy job at Pfizer afterwards or Google

or you'll get some donations from a lot of these multinational corporations and industrial complexes. I mean, your life is set and you get a congressional salary for the rest of your life. Do you really though? I heard that was a myth.

I don't. I've heard that was true. Someone will fact check us very soon here in the comment section which i'm paying attention to i don't know if that's but uh salary i just in getting back to this i i want democrats republicans next time in their power which they probably will be and you know we might have a desantis or somebody is like a president yeah but like look unless republicans win primaries and that that means getting America first or populist candidates to actually win, you're going to end up with Kevin McCarthy, McConnell, Graham, and they're going to be like, I'm going to fight extra hard. And then the camera turns off and they high five Joe Biden.

The Congress, I don't know how to fix the Congress problem, but I think the executive branch is fixable in a world where a Republican executive branch was particularly ruthless in a way that made Democrats realize maybe we need to change the rules. But Trump, you mean not Trump, Trump, Trump is not the answer on that front. I mean,

people, Trump was not ruthless enough. Well, I mean, he was just like a novice pilot in a seven 47 cockpit. Like he didn't, he got, he didn't know what buttons to press.

And like early on, he pressed some buttons really aggressively with like the travel ban and a few other things like that and got zapped. And so then he just kind of was like, I'm just going to put the thing on autopilot. Like I'm, when it comes to exercising his executive authority to try and like screw the other side, he was just like, no, I'm not doing that. And it's like, he could have pardoned a lot of people. He could have done so much for this power. And it's like, that's why one of the reasons I'm like, I want a lawyer next time because this isn't you know people are like man we need a deal maker it's like no no we're not making deals anymore there's no deals to be made this isn't

bipartisan world this is use the legal authority that you have available to you to to cement your power and make the other side's lives miserable isn't desantis a lawyer yes okay that's what you're saying a lot of degree let's talk about this other story. So Will brought this up to us before the show. I missed this one. Judge holds Washington, D.C. jail officials in contempt in a January 6th riot case. Basically, they say that Judge Royce Lamberth summoned the jail officials as part of the criminal case into Christopher Worrell, a member of the Proud Boys, who had been charged in the January 6th attack at the Capitol. He'd been accused of attacking police officers with pepper spray gel, and prosecutors

have alleged he traveled to Washington in coordination with Proud Boys. It's clear to me the civil rights of the defendant were violated by the D.C. Department of Corrections, Lamberth said. I don't know if it's because he's a January 6th defendant or not. The judge ordered Quincy Booth, the director of the city's Department of Corrections, and Wanda Patton, the warden of D.C. jail, to be held in contempt of court. While he did not impose any sanctions or penalties, the judge said he was referring the matter to the Justice Department to investigate whether the civil rights of the inmates in the jail are being violated. This is big. So this is over.

What was it? He had a surgery he needed or something? He had a broken wrist that he got in May, Mr. Worrell, who's also suffering from cancer. Did he get the break in jail? Yes. He got the break while in custody. Um, and, uh, apparently, and it's still apparently has not yet gotten the necessary surgery, um, to do it. You know, this is a very, very basic thing we expect from our jails. Um, and they're torturing these guys, man. I mean, the, i mean the the the only you know the best explanation the most charitable one is just pure incompetence right like the dc jail is just this

bad for everybody which is not exactly you know heartwarming right either way you're either intentionally making like these people's lives miserable or yeah i know the the dc defendants or the january 6th defense are kind of in their own separate facility right now is my understanding they were kept segregated from the rest of the general population. And maybe that facility has its just own huge problems. Well, if you remember last year when this story was developing, I was even telling people. Sorry, this year, earlier this year at around February, I was I was bringing up this conversation where there was already reports of torture, of people being put in solitary confinement, of people being beat

back then. So to hear that some of these people are still in solitary confinement, that they're being held in their own unit, I mean, this definitely seems overboard. I mean, solitary confinement for walking into a building. I mean, some of the people did commit some crimes, but, but even then when you, when you compare it to, you know, some of the crimes happening in major urban areas now, I mean, there's, there's, there's not much to compare here. Or just, I mean, even the treatment of the, of the, you know, the rioters, the Antifa rioters

over the course of the past few years. I mean, there was actually one case, Judge Trevor McFadden, you know, he was giving a sentence and somebody who had plead pled to misdemeanor. And I think the, you know, the, the, you know, the government was asking for three months in jail or something like that. And he gave them like three months probation or in like no jail time at all. And basically said like, I don't think you guys are serious. You guys have not treated these the same way as the other, the defendants, like there is criminal activity here. So there's going to be a punishment. You pled to a misdemeanor.'s a crime but like you guys are you're wildly overblowing this with asking for you know serious car you know incarceration we got to be real on part of it

though is that the left has experience yeah and not just with their tactics while they insurrect but also also the legal apparatus. So when on January 7th, it was January of 2017, 21st, I think. It was Trump's inauguration. I was there. Luke, you were there. Yep. We were running through the streets.

And it's really funny. What happened was we were running and there was this moment where Luke and I made two different choices. A row of police were forming. And Luke just ran for it. And I got pepper sprayed very heavily for it because they were spraying the pepper spray. And I was like, I'm seeing the circle. I'm like, it's either now or never. I get out. And I decided to go into the stairwell of a building. Unfortunately, that's the decision every other Antifa made. And the cops immediately surrounded the whole group. So this whole group of people, which was several hundred people, ultimately after like an hour, I got released. They said I had been arrested three times. A lot of people, they don't know what arrest means. I

wasn't, I wasn't processed or charged. I was arrested, but eventually a supervisor came out, showed him my, my press pass. He pulled me and some other journalists up, but all of those people were charged and they were charged with conspiracy because they couldn't prove any one person was the person who was setting things on fire, who that, that torched the limousine or, or through bricks through windows. And so they said, charge them all with conspiracy, which, which doesn't fly. The state has to prove you as a person did something wrong and they can't prove simply by wearing a hoodie. this is the tactic and it's why they do it yeah regardless regardless when it came to january 6 even if people were wearing masks or otherwise they went above and beyond to torture these people in prison these antifa people

spent it was overnight in jail the next day they walked out to thunderous applause of people outside these are people who are running through the streets setting fires beating like like smashing windows destroying property they torched a limo that belonged to some immigrant who had a small business. These people get a slap on the wrist. And a lot of their charges were dropped too. I remember hearing a lot about their charges. The mainstream media was actually talking about it, how this was a travesty of injustice, how this was political prosecution. And then I remember a lot of people who were part of it got off. But you compare that to the story of Thomas Caldwell, who is a 66-year-old Navy and FBI veteran.

And according to him, he was never inside of the Capitol. He never was a part of Oath Keepers. He never committed any acts of violence against the state that day, but the state charged him as an Oath Keeper leader, saying that he led the charge, organized everything, and put him in solitary confinement for 49 days. He was just able to go out of solitary confinement. He's speaking out against this story. Thomas Caldwell, he is raising money because the legal fees, he says,

is exacerbating him and destroying his livelihood. And he's saying that his farm is going to be taken away soon. So he's still facing some legal court proceedings. But hearing stories of this 66-year-old guy who, again, is an FBI veteran, is an old Navy military member, to hear this kind of happened to me definitely shows me a totally different picture than what happened during the Trump inauguration. And look at that woman who the feds raided her house in Alaska. Wrong person.

Wrong person. Because someone on the airlines, she got in an argument over a mask on one of the airlines, and they snitched, and they called the FBI. And the FBI followed up on the story very vigilantly or digilently. Diligent. We get to a point with these conversations where I'm just like, can we just pull words out of a hat to make headlines? Like if the subject is the right gets censored, the libertarian, the freedom, the anti-war types are the ones who get censored, and the establishment shills and the Democrats don't,

and the law enforcement is heavily weighted against people who are in support of freedom and opposition to the establishment, and Antifa gets a free pass, and the proud boys rot in prison. It's almost like, do we even need NPR to tell us this is happening? We could just be like, hey, here's the news, guys. The January 6th defendants are being tortured. Antifa is being let go. Moving on.

I don't need a source for that because it just happens all the time. Right. I mean, one, I think as you mentioned, our side is very bad at crime in no way that the left is not. The left is just much better at crime. Yeah, they are. I'm reminded of Charles Barkley talking about Jussie Smollett and being like, America, don't commit crimes with checks. Well, I want to be like, America, don't enter the Capitol without a mask on. You're done that way.

But also clearly there's just this enormous double standard in the way they're treated. I'm reminded of Agamben and the state of exception, the sovereign is he who decides in the way they're treated i'm reminded of like a gomben and the state of exception sovereign is he who decides in the exception and it's like we have this world where you know this is like the idea that we have equal justice between different political sides is a total fiction um that what we're seeing is just is a total joke and even if republicans take back the house they're not going to do anything they won't impeach by Biden. They should. They won't. He should be impeached. I mean, he could have been impeached the moment he did that thing with the eviction moratorium

where he said, I don't think this is constitutional, but I'm going to do it anyway. And then the Supreme Court said you can't do it. And he goes, yeah, I'll do it again. Yeah. And then it's like, I know it's probably going to be found unconstitutional. I just don't really care. And it'll last a couple of months for it to go through the court system. And that's time that they won't be evicted, so that's fine.

That's impeachable. You have a duty to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. So if you knowingly violate the Constitution, it's impeachable. But they're so feckless in comparison to the Democrats who are already talking about just putting Republican political operatives in jail. People got to get active in the primaries and the state level that's that's everything but i saw that kevin mccarthy has like record fundraising you know he's like 60 million dollars or something in the first nine months of the year and i'm just like why like he's so uh they don't they're just they're they're they're on the same team as the democrats it's a show exactly this is why when you brought up clapper

i thought that james clapper sitting in front of congress testifying saying we did not wittingly spy on the american people blatant lie and then they let him go they still haven't charged him with any kind of perjury or anything it's beyond general hayden who's a part of news guard literally said the same thing former cia uh and nsa had said no we're not spying on anyone. It's beyond politics. It's like the administrative state is protecting their own. Yeah. Maybe Biden's part of that. Maybe Fauci's part of that. Of course he is.

It's a big club and you ain't in it. I don't think you can use politics to defend against that. I mean, you know, that's ultimately there is a world where you can, that the administrative state is subordinate to the White House and the White House a White House that knew what they were doing and was really like aggressive with their use of power could really do real damage to the administrative state

Trump White House is not that White House it just because they just were they got they were real real cautious and weren't willing to you know do the make the changes that need to be made Obama you think he knew how but just was co-opted or something? Obama was part of it. Obama was the administrative state's candidate.

That's a good way to think of Biden. Biden is team administrative state. The entire premise of Democrat presidents is like, we will get out of the way and let the bureaucracy do their thing. That's basically how they operate. That's so the idea that you have a Democrat president really do anything about the administrative state are you kidding and that's their base that's that's their that's their whole the whole premise of their electing in the first place we had a story several years ago that was published by gizmodo that facebook

was censoring conservative news because they had this trending tab and the employees there were basically told or had this bias, conservative news versus their fake news, so they'd remove them from trending. I remember seeing that. I remember seeing people start getting censored and banned and social media was manipulated. And then I said the Republicans are too stupid to solve this problem to save their own candidacies, their own seats. Now we have this from the New York Post. Mark Zuckerberg spent $419 million on nonprofits ahead of the 2020 election and got out the Dem vote. And they're really not very grateful for that, I don't think.

No. They're, you know, with a combination of antitrust and this, you know, this Francis Haugen-type regulation. You know, there's a conspiracy theory that she's working with Facebook, that she's a fake whistleblower because she's saying everything Zuckerberg has already said. People need to understand this. Mark Zuckerberg came out and said, please provide us with regulation so we can deal with this. Now all of a sudden a whistleblower comes out, instantly verified on Twitter? Oh, come on.

And then tomorrow I'll be in Congress. And then Facebook releases a statement and guidelines about how the internet should be censored. Right. Yeah. No, I mean, they do kind of like, they would rather be in a world where they're in control of regulation.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's like some sort of, there's some sort of collusion going on there. But that said, the antitrust stuff is no joke. That stuff is actually going forward, and it's not helpful to Zuckerberg. How are they planning that? What are they doing? I mean, there's serious...

They're looking at a bipartisan law that's more targeted at Amazon, not allowing you to preference your own products. They're still talking hard about breakup and making Facebook making facebook and instagram and whatsapp divest so what does that do i mean it's bad for zuckerberg personally right like you know it does it do that much i don't know i mean they're all they're all still leftist companies i think you know it's sort of interesting to to see it you know i mean whenever i talk about like

let's make platform access a civil right i get the objection from the like, oh, you're using government to violate a corporation's liberty. It's like, okay, but that corporation is colluding with the government to violate your liberty. And I don't care for corporations are people, my friend. It's amazing how it's like the Democrats became the party of Mitt Romney. Those are usually Koch brother libertarians, and a lot of them don't understand how big tech is working with the state in tandem making it not a private company there's there's no argument i don't believe that they're private companies there's no way not even from their start not not even from their beginning not even what

they're doing now when it comes to the programs that they're running and the larger participation that they have in our political system they're not they're not innocent corporations that are a part of the free capitalistic world. They're not. Yeah, it's very formalist, right? They're sort of like, if informal government coercion is okay in libertarian world, it seems like.

Like you think about the vaccine mandate debate, right? Libertarians are like, you're violating a business's liberty. If you tell them they can't enforce a vaccine mandate, it's like, well, like look at a like Southwest, who is clearly talking with the Biden administration regularly by administrations going like we think really strongly that you should impose a vaccine mandate. a state government saying no vaccine mandates is like the only answer to the informal exercise of state power by the biden administration to persuade these corporations to impose the mandates in the first place i think this is why a lot of the libertarian party doesn't like the mises caucus because they're getting serious about it but the the core of the libertarian

party has always pretty much been we are not smart enough to recognize the government is in control of these corporations, and therefore the corporations would be free to do what they do, even though it's detrimental to everybody. It's like, yo, libertarians should be against centralized authority regardless of where it comes from. A major corporation can oppress anybody the same as a government. That's a great way to phrase it. Centralized authority is the antithesis of libertarianism. Absolutely. I don't understand how you can be like a a naturally uh a spontaneously formed over 200 years organization of very powerful individuals with massive amounts of wealth and resources controlled in the

authoritarian structure is a good thing that should be left alone however the same exact thing with the label on it says government now that's where the problem comes in so like i it's remarkable to me how many of these libertarians are okay with being coerced and and and forced to walking walking off the cliff as opposed to i should say coerced or or manipulated into doing it versus hard force yeah they're like well if the government can or if a company convinces you to hurt yourself that's fine no no i don't agree yeah that's what i mean by like overly formalist, right? It's like they look at like, is this a formal exercise of government power or not? If it is, bad.

If it's not, okay, that's fine. Look, the bigger picture here, in my opinion, is that, I mean, are we really going to have a red wave? I understand historically Republicans should be in for a major victory in the House. I understand that based on the data we're seeing, there's good signs a red wave could happen. But if Mark Zuckerberg is going to dump about half a billion dollars to make sure you don't win, what's he going to do at his own company

to make sure you don't win when it costs him nothing? Yeah. I mean, maybe he's not too happy with the end result. I mean, you got to account for that. He may not be stoked on the antitrust thing. That's true. Right?

Like, he might not spend this kind of money again. And also, man, I don't know how you fix, like, I think Trump's sort of a unique phenomenon where he drives up turnout on both sides. Like, you know, he's uniquely polarizing. People love him. People hate him. I think you look at the midterms. I think, I don't know.

I'm optimistic about 2022. I think we're going to have a very good midterm election. But is it going to be with people who are going to do something? I mean, I think it's the only thing we can, you know, Congress is never going to really do anything. The question is just stopping Democrats, right? I think people underestimate the value of winning the Senate, for example. It really is annoying that we didn't win the senate um it put us in a position where we're suddenly totally dependent on kirsten cinema and joe mansion doing our you know like

being flaky enough to do and mitt romney right and like you know i mean i don't like republicans in the in congress that much but i know that they're the people i can influence i know i have zero meaningful influence over the democrats i'm i'm of it, man. I'm not going to vote for someone who's like, I will hold the Democrats off for two years. No, screw off. The Democrats are coming out and saying, we want to take away all your guns. Yes, they're saying they want to take away our guns. Pay attention. All these liberals claiming that's not true. Don't pay attention to the laws they tried to pass. And when they came out and said they wanted to ban all semi-automatic weapons, which is basically every single modern gun. Okay. Maybe a little hyperbolic. It's almost every single gun.

I guess revolvers and lever action will be okay and bolt action. No, they're really trying to do insane things. And the only reason they're not is because they're going slow about it. Republicans aren't going to do anything. I think that, you know, ultimately it's still worth, you know, I basically see it as like a defense to offense transition and I still hope that we can do but the offense would happen in 2024 retaking the White House

hopefully with like an executive branch that knows what it's doing and that's why I'm like you know I'm really hoping Trump doesn't run I really really hope like we need we had DeSantis right like DeSantis is the guy but I'm still I agree because you know what Ron DeSantis came out and was like, hey, it's Columbus Day.

And I was like, yeah, that's a little thing, right? But that's a big, big thing in the long run. It's cultural. It matters. Ron DeSantis says we're going to ban vaccine passports. These are big things we can see him actually doing. And so I agree. If there is a Republican who says, I've done these things, I'm doing them and I will do more, I like that. But I'm fairly convinced in 2022, we're going to get Republicans who are going to sit back and say, the best we can do for you is nothing. The best Democrats can do for their constituents is burn the whole place down. Now, the idea of government doing nothing is something that I personally like. I think that should be a motive. But I know, I know we're talking about two different things here because they just placate us and they act and pretend like they're going to be doing something for us or they're going to be making a solid stand here.

But let's not pretend at the end of the day when the big money guys come, they're going to bow down, get on their knees and do unforgiving acts for the multinational corporations no matter how awful it is for their constituents. So DeSantis is interesting because he is kind of throwing a wrench into a lot of the narratives and agenda. He's the one that really did by himself stand up against the lockdowns, stand up against a lot of the mandates, a lot of the restrictions. And I think if it wasn't for him, a lot of other people would have just followed in line and complied and obeyed. And I think Florida was the first state that said, no, enough is enough. And DeSantis just made a statement also just a few moments ago, talking about the vaccine mandates where he said, quote, the coercion is just totally wrong. I think it's destroying trust in public health. You're going to end up driving people away. And he's making some good, solid, logical points that I think are deserving to be considered.

There's two things. I would love to see Ron DeSantis' presidential run. I don't know if I support him completely because I've only seen the culture war things that he's done. We've got to see hard policy stuff too. But we're hearing that his wife has cancer oh yeah that's another problem yeah and so it may be that he doesn't run yeah that's that's true but the other thing too is what what i've been told i can't remember who told us this the reason he's so up up to um you know up to date on the mod like the of the current political crisis and culture war is because of his wife, because she pays attention, because she follows the news and she follows the cultural issues,

and then they sort of work together, and then it keeps him more informed. I'd have to imagine that, you know, a governor is actively trying to maintain fundraising and do all this political paperwork, having a good partner like that, like his wife, helping him stay informed. So someone told us that they said that she's really, really well versed on these issues, and that's his edge. Yeah, they're a good team. But, I mean, I give credit.

Whenever I've seen him talk about something, not only did he do the vaccine mandate stuff, he was one of the first people to get a big tech law passed and signed an anti-big tech censorship law. I think Texas recently did one, too. They knocked him down in court, but he got it passed, right? That's still impressive. And he understands the salience and importance of the issue. And he was, and he was ahead of the curve on that. I just Trump, Trump ain't it. Yeah. Like relative. I mean, and then, you know, again, we talked about the cockpit, right? Like Ron DeSantis is going to come in and he's not going to be dependent on his lawyers to tell him what his powers are. He's

going to be able to read the lead, you know, he to be able to understand it himself and like push the limits. Like that's why I think Obama was so effective in so many ways is because Obama was a lawyer, right? And a constitutional lawyer. So he understood his office and he understood exactly where he could push

when he needed to pull back. And as a result, like, you know, I don't mean effective in terms of like moral virtue, but merely effective in terms of achieving Democrat politics. I don't want a president who will be like a candidate of owning the libs.

I want to see some legitimate policies. But I imagine he's going to be for many of the policies I think would probably be good. I imagine he'd do school choice and things like that. I'd be interested to see his foreign policy, though, because I think that'll be big. And one of my concerns is that we get a rising star who's culture, war, freedom side. But then he turns out to still just be pro-war establishment in the long run. Shoot. And, you know, at this point, I just I really don't want to lose the culture war anymore.

It's really it really is annoying. You know, if I can't, you know, I feel like we have had a pretty big sea change in the Republican Party on foreign policy. Thanks to Trump in a lot of ways. And I'm very grateful to the former president for that. But, you know, I really, you know, I think even if DeSantis isn't perfect on foreign policy, like, or sorry. Culture war is a game that no one can win. Either we stop playing or we're all going to lose. Technically, you know, we lose in the way where it's a net negative across the board. But the issue is lose by how much?

Well, how do you get your opponents to come into this negotiating table, right? But the problem is with like the Joe Rogan thing. Sanjay Gupta wrote this essay, which is ridiculous. And he's saying like, I was warned Joe Rogan's a bad faith actor. Like, listen, I want to save the Sanjay Gupta stuff, but I'll just say this. Sanjay Gupta says in his essay, he's never had a conversation with someone that was three hours or longer.

And that to me was like getting smacked in the face with a baseball bat like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sanjay Gupta never had a conversation with someone over three hours? How old is this guy? Is he not married? It was crazy for me to hear this, but these people live in a world where they don't communicate. They just get their news from the TV. I'm like my whole life. I'm sitting around with my friends in Chicago playing Star Wars Night of the Old Republic for like four or five hours.

We're just talking about space time. And they were stoned out of their minds. But like these conversations were crazy and in-depth and politics. And we'd be fact-checking things. We're just having fun, exploring ideas. He's never done that. A neurosurgeon, writer, medical reporter. He's got his head in the books.

He's been in the books probably his whole life. So he's wrapped up in this different world. Now, I want to pull up this story because I'll tell you this. With the Zuckerberg thing, I agree with you. We need to win the culture war. And I will say this. One of the reasons I'd probably just outright vote for Renasantis is that he went after big tech in any way. We have this story. If you head over to

Instagram and take a look at Mr. Luke, we are change. That's his, uh, his, his Instagram handle is at Luke. We are change. If you try to follow him and please do, you may be greeted with this message. It says, are you sure you want to follow Luke We Are Change? This account has repeatedly posted false information that was reviewed by independent fact-checkers or went against our community guidelines. I unfollowed Luke and followed him back, and I got that message.

Yeah, prove it, you SOBs. What fake news? I post highly sophisticated, intelligent, thought-provoking memes with like 3d 4d level chess i mean can you pull up my my uh just some of the things i post on there especially the george george w bush one because because if they go after that one they're admitting that they're a part of wrong think uh because the pfizer one up there again and and all i post right all i post is it's like segments from here my shirts and memes i i love to you've got the dave chappelle one to to to post memes about you know curious things that make people critically think about the issues

it's not even facts yeah well that's a shirt no that's a real shirt and and i have one one shirt that's censored and it's scribbled that says tax this d and i have another shirt that's not censored and you can get that on the the best the best political shows but i can't say it here but but i mean look what i post i i i post stuff like joe biden leaving in 2024. How can you fact check that? How can you fact? Do you have a magic time machine that you can say, he's definitely lying? This needs to be fact checked. Number one, what's the fact checks?

Tell me. Tell me what I got wrong through these memes. It's not Joe Biden. Okay. It's clearly. No, no, no. Stop. Luke. This is top.

You are fake news. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. You son of a gun. This photo is not, no. Stop, Luke. This is top. You are fake news. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. You son of a gun. This photo is not Joe Biden. Here we go. It is an old man in front of a burning car, and it is not Joe Biden. How do you know Joe Biden is not going to look like that in three years?

I get it. How? I get it. So again, and another thing, who's fact-checking me? Let's call a spade a spade here. Put out your name. What organization? Who's behind it?

And what exactly do you have problems with with posts like this? Tell me right now. And they won't. We had James O'Keefe on. And we were talking about Stanford. Put out a study claiming that James O'Keefe, me, Tim Pool, Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood and some other people were like the biggest purveyors of voter misinformation or whatever. And I'm like, what did James tweet about anything? He like he posts Veritas stories where it's they literally have undercover things on other people.

And what do I post on Twitter? Like I post I think I posted a picture of a hairless rabbit once. I post stories, all I posted a picture of a hairless rabbit once. I post stories, all of its news guard certified. And the best part is Trump supporters got extremely mad at me for saying there was no widespread voter fraud the entire time I've been saying that. I even said it to Steve Bannon when he came on the show. I was like, Ben, I disagree. I think we look at that story from Mark Zuckerberg. You take a look at the laws being changed. I think this is, you know, it's pulling people off base because the Democrats have excellent ground game and they put out fake news for some reason. And then, of course, people are like, well,

if Stanford said it, it must be true. And they put it on Wikipedia and then it becomes fast. Or CNN telling everyone that it's, you know, horse dewormer. There's so many lies by the mainstream media. And, you know, Anderson Cooper, all these other professional fake news spreaders, all these professional propagandists, they get to do whatever they want on these big tech social media companies. But also, I was criticizing Instagram and Facebook really hard over the mental health issues a couple days ago, specifically also on this show,

and I was making my own videos about this on my own YouTube channel. I was going after them hard, detailing the psychological experiments that they'd done on unsuspecting users. So this seems more vindictive than anything else because you look at the posts I make, they're silly. They're ridiculous. They're over the top. I told people, I don't even care.

I'm just going to post ridiculous stuff on Instagram. If it gets taken down, it gets taken down. And a couple days ago, Tim's laughing. It's a Dave Chappelle one. Yeah, it's real. These memes, can you fact check these? For those that are listening, it says NPR accuses Dave Chappelle of using white privilege. And then below it is Dave Chappelle as Clayton Bigsby, the black white supremacist, and it says

good for nothing tricksters. He's blind in that bottom picture. He doesn't realize he's black. Well, this is from his own skit where he was pretending to be a black KKK member and a racist against black people who was black himself but didn't know because he was blind. And the KKK

had him around and he was good friends with them and they were like, yeah, we're just not going to tell him because this is pretty funny. A couple of weeks ago, I posted on September 16th, hey, because something weird happened. I was doing okay on my Instagram before I came here on this show.

My numbers were rising pretty well and I was getting a lot of interaction and I was getting a lot of views. And then out of nowhere, it stopped. And I was getting a one-tenth of my engagement. And then for weeks, it was the same, tenth and i'm like what's happening here so i put a post hey this is a test instagram has been has been limiting our post to more than 10 of our followers if you see this click like and tell me that you see this in your timeline they fact check

it they said this is fake news it's incorrect. Even though the analytics show a nine-tenth drop in audience interaction suddenly without me changing anything or changing any way that I post or interact with audience members. So they're even fact checking, saying that it's false, that they're limiting me to my audience, which they clearly are through the analytics, through the numbers. And this is the world that we're living in right now where memes like this, memes, memes, that again, I'm not making any stance here. I'm not telling people what to do here. I'm just trying to make people laugh and think a little bit. And for them to target this is ridiculous and absolutely a sham, a huge injustice and ridiculous to say the least just as ridiculous as the memes i mean the george w bush one that i posted we don't have to show it

here but but if they flag that one that means that they're committing wrong think all right that's how that's that's the level of sophistication of of meme warfare that we have going on here that that again is extremely important i remember first coming on the show i said memes are going to be the thing that are going to change the landscape of our political dichotomy i i really do truly believe in them and i think that's why they're going after satire now which i said you know they're going to figure out how to go after satire i think this is the first step in that direction they've been they've been doing this that this is why they had to ban the donald because memes got trump elected yeah maybe maybe not like the core of his platform but it gave him the bump he needed yeah magic man have

you seen that documentary on meme magic no it's like a it's like a youtube documentary somebody made but it's really really interesting how they go go through the history of CAC and the frog and Pepe and the weird stuff on 4chan. And they were like, me magic, man. But whether or not you believe in magic, when you have people who have found a way to have fun and build community, and then all of a sudden everyone's laughing with each other and sharing jokes, that's going to help that person out. Yeah. And I'm not even promoting anything I'm not even telling people what to do I'm just saying hey

This is a stupid ridiculous government policy Let's laugh about it That's it I'm not even saying do this or get involved Or don't do this I'm not even doing any of that on Instagram So my response to this is Family friendly show

Screw you, Instagram. Everyone follow me at LukeWeAreChanged. And just in case they take me down, go check out enoughofcensorship.com, which is a link to my email list, which makes me uncensorable no matter what happens. So that's my response, my official statement to Instagram

or anybody asking about this story. That's officially what I got to say. Screw you, Instagram. Let's make sure that this policy doesn't work. It's ridiculous. And I want to thank the people who are sending me this because I wouldn't have noticed. No one told me this. I never got a warning.

I never got a notification. They didn't tell me anything. And just sporadically, I just see my viewership go down within the last few weeks. And it's just weird and strange that we're living in this world where you could be convicted of wrong think and then have your access to... Not even know. Yeah, not even know, but also have your access to people that are your friends and are part of your community taken away from you just because some fact checker, whoever that random

mysterious person is, decided that he doesn't like your humor. It's almost like this should be against the law. What I'm thinking of, this is like them making an editorial claim on your content, standing behind it like a platform, or like a publisher, rather. I had a long conversation about Section 230 last night and about editing Section 230, basically fixing it, so that maybe companies that make editorial claims like this account is responsible for X

then become considered publishing news. But we don't even have to argue that. Hold on. Will, take it away. So like here's – I actually – there's two parts of it, right? There's the making the weird little editorial claim about you, Luke, right, which is the most hilarious thing because it's like it either is fake or it violates our community guidelines we're not going to tell you which one like you know lawyers would laugh at that right it's stupid but and then there's the actual throttling now if it weren't for the throttling i think this if anything would make

you more popular because it's such an obviously ridiculous way to try and indict someone they've said some things that are false based on someone saying they were false we're not going to tell you what was false who determined it like it Like it would just, it would be BS. It's the throttling. That's the problem. And so it's like, it's like those Twitter notifications when they put them on. Like, I don't think those are a big problem. It's the algorithmic throttling that is really wrong. And so, you know, it's hard to say anything about the, you know, when they make these statements, they are speaking. Right. And I think that they do have a First Amendment right to speak. If they want to put stuff at the bottom of my tweets, that's their right.

If they're constraining my ability to reach my audience, then they're censoring, and that's different. And I don't think they have a guaranteed First Amendment right to censor people. Does the First Amendment check out in private companies like this, though? So the First Amendment, this is actually an interesting area of the law. Like the question is, can a state or government give additional protected first amendment rights or additional speech rights to their citizens on private platforms? Right. And the answer to that, the case that's closest, um, is a case about is called pre-near shopping center. It's based on a California question about whether people had the right to petition in shopping malls basically like there was a state law in california that said or a california supreme court decision that said our citizens have the right to petition in in

shopping malls as a first amendment right under our california constitution and the shopping mall owners like but that's a violation of my first amendment rights like i don't want to be associated i have a freedom of association right i don't want to be associated. I have a freedom of association, right? I don't want to be associated with, uh, the, this random petitioner. It's also, you know, free, free speech, right? I have the right to censor like, et cetera. And the Supreme court's like, no, no, you don't. No one's associating me to speech. You have the ability to say what you want to say. Um, and as a result, your speech rights aren't implicated. So it's perfectly acceptable for a state to give private consumers, you know, private individuals the right to petition on your property. I think, you know,

you're not performing any editorial function. Nobody thinks you are. So Facebook and Twitter are in the same position. They're not performing an equal editorial function. They have 7 million people. I think we need to, I mentioned this to James O'Keefe. On Wikipedia, the article about Project Veritas is just the most insane garbled lies. Far-right disinformation organization. And I said to him, I was like, James, what does it say on top of the article? It says, from Wikipedia. It doesn't say from, you know, cow, you know, finger 93.

It doesn't say it's from, you know, Ian the cow finger or 97. It says it's from Ian the Cowfinger or 97. It says it's from Wikipedia. And if Wikipedia is taking the byline on this one, aren't they responsible for that speech presented on that platform? Not currently. Another thing to really kind of entertain here is one of the things that made the Internet so amazing, so wonderful, was the free access to whoever you wanted to follow. You followed someone. You saw their content. It was incredible.

It was amazing. We don't have that anymore. You follow someone. you may see their stuff, you may not see their stuff. There's a carefully curated algorithm that has a long-term psychological negative effects on the population that is rising suicide levels, that is rising self-hurt incidences, that is rising levels of depression, that is rising the levels of psychological disorders. And this is because now they're carefully curating what information you get to hear and not hear. I mean, and that decision should be up to a human being saying, I want to follow him. I want to see what he posts.

If you're not following them, you shouldn't be sent stuff that you don't want to see. But right now, if you look at Instagram, a lot of the stuff is forced on your news feed. You look at the Facebook news feed. You look at Twitter. Instagram now says, like, these three posts are recent. After that, I'm scrolling, and it's random. And I'm like, wait, I don't follow these people. And then you've got to click see older posts to actually get the people you follow now.

So this is sinister on so many different levels because people actively want to follow me, want to find my content. They're denied that by using this platform. So that's another level of interacting, of intervening in something that was free, was awesome, gave people what they wanted because people were sick of being lectured to. People were sick of being lied to.

People were sick of just being force-fed nonsense. Now we're lied to. People were sick of just being force-fed nonsense. Now we're back to the day and age where they're force-fed nonsense every single day while restricting the small and independent voices that made them as popular as they are. Regarding the shopping mall metaphor, would the shopping mall then be allowed to put up a sign? Like the petitioners over there, the shopping mall could have a sign that says, petitioners that way, lying about could they do that and could they have a sign that said liar pointing at the petitioners that the latter sure right like that that's a speech right you know like again they're on their own property they have the right to speak and say these people are lunatics who are going to

hell who knows right um and then on the but on the the first one decept like deceiving then that might be thwarting the underlying right to speak, which is a little different. So you could argue that changing the algorithm without their knowledge is a form of deceit. Right. I think, I think that you could. I think that it, it poses a very interesting question about whether or not a state could itself have imposed kind of regulations on the algorithm. It's, it's, it's trickier because it gets, that's a little closer speech. Like you're forcing them to organize the information that appears on the feed in a certain way.

What would be nice is if you could force them to show at least how they're organizing it by displaying the algorithmic code. Sure. Is there an argument to make here about the manipulation of the newsfeed that is creating self-harm and psychological disorders? Because there are medical studies that are showing that if you show certain images, you do have a certain psychological effect on a human being. And I think there's a lot of correlation with social media use and, you know, depression, suicide, everything that I talked about before. Is there even some kind of room in court to maneuver to say this social media caused actual real life harm? Well, I mean, you have that you can't,

one, there's, you can't prohibit, you can't force people to speak, right? That's part, part of the first amendment is that you don't have the, you don't have, you can't force people that's compelled speech. That's also a first amendment violation.

So that's part one. Um, part two is that, you know, there are specific categories of the law that are where speech is unlawful defamation, right? Yeah.

Um, so is this considered defamation? Um, what, what is is unlawful defamation right yeah um so is this considered defamation um what what is is what considered defamation them saying i i spread fake news without any examples without any i mean it's it has to be provably false right and and you have to prove under current law you have to prove actual malice right which means that they're knowingly lying i would love a jury to see my memes i would love it that's actually like but then they say it might violate our community guidelines which community guidelines well we you know they they get then they get the entire they can look at their entire terms of service and be like aha this was

inflammatory and i'm sure they would say that wasn't actually joe biden on the mean that said this is joe biden and how do you know? Look, there's been that 2024. Look at it because the jury will agree and be like, yeah, that's not Joe Biden. And then they'll say, see our, our statement was true.

He said it was Joe Biden. The, the, the, whether or not someone understands it's a joke or not is not on, you know, us when we say some people won't get it. So like,

here's the thing, like that, the reason that statement that they preview you, they say like you've posted fake news or false news as determined by independent fact checkers and or you violated community guidelines, not specifying how it's fake, what it is, or what news. That's lawyered, right? Because that's vague. It is a very, very vague criticism. It literally could go either way.

It doesn't even actually accuse you necessarily of having put out anything fake. So as a result, when you make a really vague, lawyered statement like that, it's almost impossible to prove falsity, which is a necessary element of any defamation claim. I want to talk to you guys about why independent media is so important and why these stories here are so awful. The censorship, what they did to Crowder. I think, you know, what happened with Crowder getting suspended and getting a strike is particularly worrisome. And it's just another grain of sand in the heap. And we'll consider this to be a semi-terrible segue into the story about Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta. But Joe Rogan sits down with Sanjay Gupta of CNN and refuses to let Sanjay Gupta change the subject. He says, why did your network lie about

what the medication I was taking was? They said it was horse dewormer. And Joe's like a doctor prescribed it to me. And Sanjay Gupta is like, you're right. You're right. Okay. They shouldn't have said it. That's the power of independent media. And Joe Rogan may be on Spotify or whatever, but that's why they don't like it. That's why they censor it. Now, I really want to point something out though. In this article from CNN.com, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, why Joe Rogan and I sat down and talked for more than three hours. There are two very important things that give you insight into the minds of the cult. And boy, when I read you these things, will you realize it's a cult? First and foremost, he says, I don't think I ever had a conversation that long with anyone. Seriously, think about that.

We sat in a windowless podcast booth with two sets of headphones and microphones and a few feet between us. Not a single interruption, no cell phones, no distractions, no bathroom breaks. Show of hands. Or actually, let's go. Will, have you ever had a conversation with someone that was at least three hours? Yeah. I mean, if, have you ever had a conversation with someone that was at least three hours? Yeah. I mean, if, you know, with breaks in between, but yes, like I'd say, you know what I mean? It's the kind of thing where convert, you know, you're in a car, right?

I have been on the show. We never got three hours though. We do way more than that. Yeah. Have we, have we gone? Well, it's two and then when you get here at seven 20. Oh, that's a fair point. And then we start the show at 8, we end at 10.

Yeah, we've definitely talked. Okay, so we have talked for more than three hours. But even with friends throughout your life? Oh, yeah. Have you had conversations before? Yeah, say you're in a car ride with somebody. Right. A long car ride.

You'll be talking with them over the course of a lengthy period of time. Yes, road trips. Hold on, hold on. Luke, have you had a conversation? Yeah, of course. Lydia? Yeah, many, many, many, many times. Yeah, 100%.

Especially like the ones they had face-to-face, going at it for three plus hours. Yes. I would imagine Ian's the one person in the room who's probably had the longest conversation with people out of any of us. Because you seem the kind of guy who's going to sit there and really just hang out with people in a sauna. And he was pre-cell phone. Yeah.

Yeah. I went to theater school. It's all about communication. This is a guy who is telling you, think about that. He's never had a conversation that was three hours. Look, maybe it's just me. Maybe most people really don't interact with humans that much. I just, that's shocking to me.

And so I see that and I'm like, this is a guy who doesn't actually communicate with people. He sits in a room, reads a book and watch the TV and doesn't talk to other people. But here is you ready for this one? The best part. He says, OK, when I told Joe early in the podcast that I didn't agree with his apparent views on vaccines against covid, I've remarked that in many things in between. Part of me thought the MMA former taekwondo champion might hurdle himself across the table and throttle my neck but instead he smiled and off we went yeah that's a weird bias that you have like here's a guy he is the chief medical correspondent for cnn the most trusted

name of news who has never had a conversation with someone that lasted at least three hours and genuinely feared Joe Rogan would physically assault him in a podcast studio over his opinions. That's pathetic. When he could depose him. I mean, basically, that's what this is. Or he's lying. He's just – He's lying. You know, it's something interesting.

Like, people – there's certain people – and there's only a few areas where like it's one thing to have a conversation with someone over a long period of time it's another to like be able to to be interrogated right and by that i mean like to be asked a continuous sequence of questions to examine what you think in your position on something that happens in law school right if you're the subject of a socratic questioning from a professor. That'll happen in debate rounds. Like there's cross-examination that takes a period. Like there's other things. But there's a lot of people, even if they're very smart and they've gone through very high level, you know, academia or like medical school or something, will have never actually

been in a position where they were subject to like a sustained line of questioning about their beliefs. And I think that's, Sanjay, beliefs. And I think that's Sanjay. If, if anything, I think that's probably what he's expressing this. Like I was not ready. This is like the first time I've ever been interrogated.

Like, I mean, I don't mean interrogate like with like law enforcement, but just like questioned about a position for this length of a period of time. And, and it's the sort of, you know,

regret kicking in because he got owned, right? Like he got revealed that he had to get up and basically he had to concede to sound like a reasonable person that, yes, in fact, CNN had done wrong here. And then CNN is now so furious about it that they're putting him back on the show to like justify. Yeah. I just got I got a request. I would I would I would greatly appreciate it, Joe. If you could just take some money, drop it in a retainer for some good law firm and sue CNN.

Don Lemon has come out denied CNN lied about Joe Rogan's COVID treatment after claiming the podcaster took horse dewormer. No joke. They doubled down on the fact that multiple hosts lied. Joe Rogan sat there in front of Sanjay Gupta and said, a doctor prescribing medication. Sanjay said, yes, they shouldn't have said that. Then when Sanjay Gupta goes on with Don Lemon, he does not correct Don Lemon when Don says,

no, no, no, listen, listen. It is horse dewormer. Don Lemon should go on Joe Rogan. Don't be a little whiny. He never will, obviously. Of course not. He couldn't sustain that. Sanjay Gupta is smarter than Don Lemon should go on Joe Rogan. Don't be a little whiny. He never will, obviously. Of course not. He couldn't sustain that. Sanjay Gupta is smarter than Don Lemon.

This is why this was so fascinating. This is why this video went so viral, because this was finally someone, a part of the establishment, being sat down and talked to like a regular human being without any teleprompters, without any scripts, without any agenda, and he stuttered and he messed up and he tried to get away from the subject and Joe was right on him and he stumbled. Someone wrote a very funny comment under this entire story saying, it's a very strange world

when an MMA commentator stumps a medical doctor on the topic of medicine. And let's be honest here, Joe Rogan was absolutely right to call out sanjay gupta the chief medical advisor of cnn why he didn't intervene step up or at least correct the record when cnn was blatantly lying about him and spreading dangerous medical disinformation that would have real life consequences that probably did have real life consequences let's just be honest here about this particular topic sanjay gupta didn't have an answer. He tried to change the topic. He was like, yeah, maybe no. I want to talk about

this and Joe goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's get to this issue because this is an important issue. And then Samjay admitted that the main reason he went on this show was because he was trying to get Joe to get vaccinated. Now, this is another layer to this that we need to kind of unravel here because he admitted I want Joe to get vaccinated. Now, this is another layer to this that we need to kind of unravel here

because he admitted, I want Joe to get vaccinated. That's why I went on the show. That's his explanation to all of his establishment buddies that are like, what the hell did you do? You let the mask off your face. You showed us the true reality of being stumped by him. And he's saying, no, no, no. I just wanted him to get vaccinated. Why? The man just went through COVID. He has natural immunity. There's many scientific studies and preliminary findings that are showing that natural immunity could last a lifetime. Why still on top of that are you telling him to get vaccinated? It makes absolutely no point. And there have been a number of complications and a number of medical

professionals saying if you do have strong antibodies and natural immunity, you might have complications from the vaccine. So again, not a medical doctor, not telling people what to do here. But Sanjay Gupta admittedly came into this already trying to push bogus information that wasn't helpful at all. And Joe Rogan just blatantly called him out on all of his bullcrap, and he did not have an answer to it at all and and joe rogan just blatantly called him out on all of his bullcrap and he did not have an answer to it at all i think i got a lot of respect for sanji for going on there wanting to go on there doing it and just pushing he tweeted it out he wasn't trying to hide from it and they talked about like sanji used to be very anti-marijuana and then started to realize when he started to see the studies he's a books guy he's in the books all the time when he sees the

evidence he changed his position. He realized that kids that were having tremors and – I remember that a few years ago. This was a long time ago when marijuana was still a taboo thing, where they weren't talking about the benefits of THC and CBD. He went to Amsterdam and interviewed small children. And actually, I was surprised by his work at that time. So it's very interesting that you're bringing this up. And you do bring up a good point

that at least he did go on and at least we saw the mask fall off, slip for a little bit. But he's going to get punished. He's already on an apology tour all over CNN saying, yeah, you guys were right. Yeah, you guys were right.

When in reality, no, they weren't. They absolutely weren't. Let's be honest here. To again, double down and say, no, this was a medicine for horses. Bull crap. Remember when that CNN host cannibalized a human on TV? Yeah, that's on YouTube, by the way. That's fine for YouTube.

You mean the cannibal Reza Aslan, right? Who it's accurate to describe as a cannibal because it's accurate to describe him. Who went crazy afterwards. He did. He did. So Reza Aslan was hosting this show on on cnn and my understanding is before the show he was like relatively normal he was a religious scholar and i know people who know him like i i have i have friends of mine who know him and i i wonder if that that episode where

he ate human brain it was a small piece of charred human brain. After that, it's like he's just insane. The things he posts on Twitter, like he's aggravated. I wonder if he got some kind of shakes from eating human brain. It's like pre-on diseases, man. Yeah, protein folds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also the stress of being called a cannibal over and over. He is a cannibal.

Was a cannibal. Is he still practicing? It doesn't matter if you kill someone. Once a cannibal, always a cannibal. That's hardcore it doesn't matter if you once a cannibal always a cannibal that's hardcore it is though if you choose to kill someone

you're a murderer right well if you used to be a soccer player and now you're not you're not still a soccer player if there's ways to look because if you used to murder

and now you don't you're still considered a murderer exactly if you eat human you are a cannibal it's like well but to be fair

it was a long time ago so I think to be a cannibal means you're practicing cannibal it's like well but to be fair it was a long time ago so i think can't to be a cannibal and i gotta be honest man i gotta be honest if you played soccer in college and then you stopped playing i'd still say it's fair to say you're a soccer you're a soccer player like you're gonna know all about it you're gonna know this you're gonna have retained skills and you'll be able to pick it up more than anyone else i would say i was a soccer player if i don't play at all anymore i was so i don't that stress of ben being like you're a cannibal and he's like dude i did it once and they're like you're okay that's like you never want to be

everyone's dude it's like it's like it's like with with murder if you choose to kill a person you're a murderer and it's like yeah but that was a long time ago, and I only did it one time. It's like, I don't care. Like, you're a murderer. I just committed one murder. Yeah, just one. Just one. As some people do.

Sanjay also made a very interesting point that a lot of people are talking about right now when he was on the Joe Rogan podcast. Because he admitted that the aim on the show when he was talking to Joe Rogan, that the aim of vaccinating children isn't to protect them. It's to, quote, slow the spread and protect adults around them. And if that's the official justification, if that's the official science of what doctors and CNN and the establishment medical professionals are standing on, they're pretty much putting young people at risk for the benefit of the old. And if that's happening in a society, that's a clear sign of a decaying society. Yes, Luke, but clearly Dr. Sanjay Gupta is not a smart person.

But that's his own words. That's CNN saying it, not me. No, of course, of course, I'm saying it. Let's just say this then. If that is the official line from Sanjay Gupta, which is clearly contradicting the establishment narrative, then Sanjay Gupta must be a moron. He must just be a crackpot conspiracy theorist peddling medical disinformation.

I don't know. I mean, I think, like, we were talking about earlier, it's like I have the same respect for Sanjay Gupta that I would have for some novice debater who got smoked in, like, a round. You're like, well, at least you tried, you know. Like, you got beat really bad, though.

But you shouldn't need to have a debate with Joe. The problem is that, like... It wasn't even a debate with with with joe the problem is that like it wasn't even a debate joe was cordial to him he was nicely talking to him he wasn't he wasn't aggressive oh and and in sanjay gupta's article he says he gifted joe a joe rogan experience face mask from joe's own website which joe seemed surprised by and he makes it seem like joe rogan who's anti-mask, I bought him a mask from himself and he was shocked. And I'm like, he was probably confused as to why you got him a mask

from his own merch store. If someone showed up and was like, hey, Tim, I got you something. What is it? It's one of your own shirts. I'd be like, we have a pile over there. But I guess I appreciate it. The self-righteousness and delusion. I mean, wow.

And these are the people preaching. These people never get outside of their bubbles. And this is the first time that they do, and they get smoked, as you're saying. That's a good point. So this is, I mean, CNN never has anyone who doesn't push the narrative and the agenda. Never on. They never have those discussions. They're living in a world that is tightly controlled.

The information that they get is carefully curated for them, and they just know one particular thing. They don't know anything else. So we're talking to individuals that are literally the Helen Kellers of our society, in my opinion. He strikes me as highly intelligent but ignorant in ways, and I can say that from experience because when I'm on this show, I tend to be very ignorant about what we're talking about because i don't study and read about it and i find out about it on the spot but i'm able to process the information yeah so the ability to defend your own position from a hostile interrogator right or inquisitor is like learned and it also require if you're not used to it your car is a lot more work not if you're on cnn no no not if you're honest not if you're not if you're um mentally capable and i'll give a shout out to jordan peterson that that interview he did with jim jeffries where he says yo should should people be compelled to use the pronouns and then

peterson's like no you know people should not be compelled to speak and then he's like a private business shouldn't be forced to do this that or, or otherwise. And then Jeffrey says, do you think that the government enforcing desegregation was a good idea? And then Peterson went, hmm, maybe I was wrong about that. Very simply, as a mature adult who's in control of his emotions, was just like, huh, maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. How hard is that? That's also true. That's a very simple way.

I'm thinking, I guess, more along the ways of getting through something like that without having to make a concession that you were wrong. Right? You actually have to think through it in great detail and nuance your position a lot. My point is if you're wrong, you should just be like, oh, you know, maybe I was wrong about that. It looked like Sanjay knew his jaw was on the line. Like remember when I told Zuby he was wrong when he said vitamin? And I was like, ha, it's vitamin. And boy, was I wrong.

Yeah, we're wrong sometimes. I'm wrong sometimes too. But it's about being able to admit it that sets you aside from the mainstream media. That's the difference. They live in a totally smoke-up-your-family-friendly-show-tuckus world. And then we live in a world where we have to go through comments. We actually – I mean I'm reading the comments right now. I love you.

I mean, you guys are interesting to say the least. If you see me laughing here, it's because of the comments. Wait, wait, wait. Let me, this is a good point to bring up something, you know? Yeah, we want to make sure we're getting things right. We have a bunch of people in the chat who will say like, here's a correction. Yesterday, we did a correction on our segment on Crowder.

I misinterpreted what was going on with the suspension, but he was suspended. I want to show you this story from CNN Business, and I want to give a special shout-out to one of the most evil people in media, Brian Stelter. CNN writes this article, these four words are helping spread vaccine misinformation. Four little words, do your own research, are hurting the U.S. pandemic response, CNN's chief media correspondent Brian Stelter said on Reliable Sources. Now, this story is from last month, but I think it's very important because Brian Stelter also had a segment where he said, don't go and watch the propaganda. Come to us. That's how you know you're being lied to, because I tell you this. Make sure you go and watch CNN. You understand their point of view. Make sure you're watching, you know, progressives and conservatives. So you get a healthy diet of perspective

and then figure out what you think is right for you. Why? I'm not an authoritarian. And I think most of the people come on the show. Some people are authoritative, but most people aren't. And so that means is it's up to you to figure out what works for you and what you believe. CNN is authoritarian. They're evil. They want to keep you in the dark so that you serve them. They literally told you reading WikiLeaks was illegal. Yeah, I remember that.

They literally came out on national television. It's fine for us because we're journalists. But you, the president class. Chris Cuomo is a lawyer too. He has a law degree. Exactly.

Oh, it's like the First Amendment thing. Remember that famous thing where he's like, who said a protest needs to be peaceful? And then Ramen Bro was just like, it's right there in the First Amendment. You just got to look it up listening and believing are different and you want to listen with skepticism to as much as you can jacinda arden is she the prime minister of uh new zealand new zealand we are your only source of truth yeah yeah this is

like from a week ago a video of her on twitter i saw it's so disturbing that she's telling people do not listen to these other sources do not pay pay attention to them. We are only listen to us. We are the arbiter. Something happened to the like, the sort of wealthy white liberal mind, right? I don't know why that is. But like, you know, I basically I look at Australia, New Zealand, and I'm like, this is what it would be like, if the wealthy white liberals were running, were completely in control of this country, right? If the didn't have you know a big part of its constituency is like minorities like if it were just white democrats we would be like australia and new zealand yep guarantee it yep so uh we can every day just um you know give your respects to the

right-wing nut jobs living in the mountains for helping keep this country balanced, I guess. I'm kidding, by the way. I mean, we do have it a lot better than other places. Like, you know, some people often are like, man, I've seen stuff like America's gone crazy. I'm like, if you want to see crazy, like, there are much worse places to be. It was so crazy what she said to an American, to me. Well, check this out. We have it here in America.

Lydia just pulled this article up from the New York Times. Don't go down the rabbit hole. Hold on, hold on. Get ready for this. Critical thinking, as we are taught to do it, isn't helping in the fight against misinformation. Watch out. Please. Okay.

Brian Seltzer is telling people, don't do your own research. The New York Times is saying Don't think critically Alright It's like Ethan Klein said You don't even have to think about it You just go on the website And it tells you what to do Congratulations

Well they want little peasant slaves And they're doing the PR bidding Of the ruling establishment That wants to control them more And have every aspect of their lives Carefully coordinated In a way that directly benefits them. This is exactly what they're doing. Yeah.

They think they're sophisticated people. Well, they think they could fool everyone and they have absolute disrespect for the general public. That's why they lie to them continually. That's why they're pushing this other nonsense onto people. And, you know, for some people, they're not wrong. But for the majority of people, I believe they're totally wrong. And a lot of people are saying, hey, they're telling me not to do my own homework. They're telling me not to do my own research.

They're telling me not to critically think. Look, to be fair, when they say not to do your own research, they're helping you because, as we know, it would be illegal. Chris Cuomo, it was Cuomo who said that? Yeah, it would be illegal. Right? You know, Chris Cuomo. Was Cuomo who said that? Yeah, about WikiLeaks. We can look at these documents because we're journalists. See? Now, what if you went and you did your own research and you broke the law, Luke? Don't think critically.

Just go to the government's website. The FBI has entrapped people for less already. So, you know, maybe you're not even wrong, to be honest with you. But again, this just shows you that the complete PR representation that the media really is. They're not journalists. They're not the mainstream media. They're just spokespersons for the super rich that are trying to placate you, pacify you, and make you comply with every crazy demand that they have for you.

Maybe some value, if they had rephrased this and said like don't believe everything you read at face value look deeper no no no do critical thinking maybe then it would make if they had the opposite message of what they had now maybe then you can make an argument you're telling people to think critically of course you're telling them they're telling people to do the opposite either they're not either they're idiotically conflating theating the definition of thinking critically and don't believe everything you see at face value, or they're blatantly attempting to mislead people to become sheep led to the slaughter. Maybe Ian is a secret establishment shill. Of course I know. I can't recall that a lot.

Look, I'm going to say this, but I'm being fair. You are postmodernist, and you often placate the things they're doing and try to find justifications as if they're doing something good. 2006, I started making YouTube videos. They contacted me October 2006. That's a joke, by the way. Postmodernism is a way to critique all this stuff. Once you understand what they're doing, you start reading Foucault. Foucault is one of the classic lefty thinkers but a big part of foucault's

work is about biopolitics like the management of a human population's health that seems really relevant right about now honestly i went through a hard post-modernist phase where i started to think like that from like 2006 to 2008 and it's there's video evidence of it if you want to watch it on youtube it was pretty crazy but having gone through it i can now see the pitfalls as if i'm experiencing what they're experiencing it helps and sometimes i'll bring that up on the show and it's really kind of out of place on this show because we're talking more about like literology you know people don't understand too i think i think we'll we can do the the big you know reveal uh ian actually you know he normally wears a suit i'm taking my shirt, actually, he normally wears a suit.

I'm taking my shirt off. He normally wears a suit, and he walks around with his hair done up very properly, and he's got a British accent. I do two hours of... We hired an actor. We were like, we need a hippie stoner. Thanks for doing my makeup beforehand, too, by the way.

It's just dirt. It's a wig. Yeah, by the way. It's just dirt. It's a wig. Yeah, that's true. I don't know how much longer we'll last in this world, right? In politics? Well, look at what happens with Steven Crowder.

He does a comedy bit on a news story and they come after him and now there's a big story he can't talk about and censorship is real. We may have TimCast.com and we're working really hard. We're growing.

Free Domestan is now in the ownership of the Timcast media growing conglomerate, which means we're going to be doing more culture content, more gun content. We're going to be having range stuff training and maybe even some CQC training stuff. So we're growing. We're definitely growing. And we want to teach people responsibility. We want to inspire people to take care of themselves, to think critically. But we're still walking on thin ice. We're still traversing flaming field. At any moment, we could be cut back severely. It could make it very, very difficult to try and defend our ideals and our, and our, our, our vision. I think of it as a metaphor of like, we're streaming, swimming upstream and that's the political situation. We're all trying to swim upstream together. Then when we get to the, where we're going, that's, there's all these other fish there and this is the culture and we're all kind of competing to get through, but then there's the gate of the dam and that's the technology that we use. And unless we control the technology that

we're using, there's no way to get up through that dam to get upstream any further. So that's why we're building the Fediverse out. It's not just technology and it's infrastructure, right? So the technology that's being built out with the Metaverse project, I think you would call it, is it's infrastructure. Creating pathways for people to maintain communications, to persist as the likes of CNN and the New York Times

try to curtail your ability to think or literally tell you not to. And those are the people promoted. Those are the people in the algorithms. Those are the people in your news feeds. Those are the people you get notifications from, even if you don't follow them. Other independent voices that question, that try to have a debate here, that try to counter the narrative, that try to enter the conversation from a point of view

that's not from the script, well well they get hit with fake news accusations so this is the world that we're living in more and more and their their message is becoming more and more radical i mean telling people i mean if you're at a point where you're a media institution and your main headline is don't critically think like that's when you know you're not a part of the good guys that's when you know you're not doing journalism that's when you know you're not a part of the good guys. That's when you know you're not doing journalism. That's when you know you're not a reporter. You're a repeater for the special billionaire globalist class that directly calls the shots, that pays the bills, that influences our politics more than we could even imagine. But let's also wrap this segment up on a high note. If, if, if the fact that we're here having this

conversation and highlighting it is proof that victory is not only possible, but our mere existence and the success of this show and, you know, the work you do with human events and Luke, your channel, it's proof that victory has been happening. These are, these are battles we win every day with all the work that we're doing. I mean, for everybody watching as well, supporting the work. And I mean, you think about like vaccine mandates, right? Six months ago, they were saying, oh, of course we're not going to mandate vaccines, right? They were just relying on persuasion. And then six months later, they're mandating them. That's, that's if properly viewed, that's a loss, right? That's an admission, a concession of defeat. Like you were not able

to persuade people and with your methods of persuasion and so you resorted to government force and and like in so many other ways right the mainstream media corporate media has gone from we're not worried about these competitors we are not you know we are better at our jobs we are more accurate people are ultimately like some small fringe number of people are going to rely on crazies but like most people will on us. And they've also given that up. They're like, oh, actually we've lost that battle too. So now we need to like lean on the social media platforms and get them to shut up our competition. Yep. Yep. And when we see them try and use extreme force against parents,

I got to say a lot of this, we, we may look, I'll say this. I may fear that, you know, who knows how long until they try and, you know, take out our channel or whatever or delete it. But I will say there's a lot of indicators that they are struggling and they are panicking. And I mean establishment forces. That's major corporations. That's Republicans. That's Democrats. They are struggling to maintain some kind of control. When you're going after satire, when you're going after comedy, when you're going after comedy when you're going after memes i mean that's acts of desperation i mean this is what happened

in soviet level communist countries this is what happened to you know my family in poland they made sure that that musicians comedy performers uh poets those are the first people that the soviet union went after because they influenced culture. They influenced the general public in a way that motivated them through art. And if I'm ever proud of anything, I'm definitely proud of my t-shirt store. I'm definitely proud of my ideas. I'm proud of my email list that's very hard to take away because I have a physical copy of it. I'm very proud of my members area because this is something that i've been creating and now that they're going after our art it's truly the last kind of sign of total you know i don't want to be hyperbolic i don't want to be too sensational but but but we're reaching the point of absurdity we're reaching the

point that i believe is sort of dangerous because they're literally trying to hit anything that even goes against their uh cult that even goes against their larger ideology, that goes against any kind of prevailing ideas that they want to throw at you. So this is absurd. I think it's definitely going to get worse. This is symbols of a very insecure, dangerous empire that because of that insecurity there there's the danger and uh that's something to really look out for when you say you think it'll only get worse what exactly do you think well when you have such insecurity when you have such fear by the state that they literally have

to hit uh satire comedy art and and run attack pieces on anyone who goes against them look what's happened to kairi irving he's being attacked viciously. He just came out with a statement today saying it's not about money, it's about freedom. And he's making a very important stand here. But everyone in the establishment, every sports commentator is regurgitating the same lines against

them, the same talking points against them. And he should shut up and dribble, right? Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much that's the points that they're making about him. A whole bunch of white people telling a black man to shut up and dribble yeah yeah i think it's funny right who's it who said that first laura laura is one who did say yeah i talk about lebron right yeah i i think the difference is and we mentioned this the other day is that lebron was opining on politics that had nothing to do with his game whereas kyrie irving is saying like they're not letting me play unless i submit to this and i'm not going to do it yeah so the very different it seems like the republicans have the opportunity

to be like the ultimate workers rights party i i do want to say to a stupid comment from from uh ingram yeah like yeah oh yeah no like look you know i kind of i feel like the last you know five years there have been moments where you're like okay OK, that was kind of dumb, right? And you look back at sort of 2010 era GOP behavior and you're like, eh, not the greatest. Like that's kind of tacky, especially when they sort of demean workers and laud CEOs and corporate people. You know, when I was talking to Charlie Kirk about a lot of these issues, he said, you know, the conservatives weren't ready for these things. Talking about like populist ideas and the working class. Not the working class specifically, but there's a lot of things where he was like, we didn't realize this, like the corporations and stuff like that. And I'm just thinking like, Jack Murphy mentioned that when the Republican Party said,

okay, to gay marriage, that allowed him to be like, oh, okay, I can embrace this party right now. I actually feel like what's happening is the Republican Party has shifted to the left, thanks to Donald Trump. A lot of independent voters were like, he's the guy I'm going to vote for because his politics align closer with mine. Populism, fighting back against the establishment, less so with traditional conservatism or anything like that. So now I see in this battle, there's a more moderate right concerned about what's going on. I think that builds a bigger coalition and more optimism, I suppose. I think so too.

And I mean, there's, there's some Democrats who are ringing the alarm bell. I mean, something I guess I should have brought up for discussion is there's this op-ed or about this guy, David Shore, who was on Obama's polling team. And he's like a socialist, but he's one of these people who's like hardcore poll analyst reader. And he's like ringing the alarm bells at Democrats. Cause he's like, Hey guys,

Donald Trump is really good for the Republican party as a general matter, because he reoriented their policy positions and their, their base to give them huge structural advantages in the Senate and the electoral college. And like, basically he's like, we need to radically restructure, you know,

we need to add States. We need to do all these crazy things in order to win. But like when Democrats are saying that the point is like, yeah, Republicans are... This is why I'm not black-pilled at all. If we can get past social media censorship and some of the other shenanigans, Republicans have a much more popular policy platform than they did 10 years ago. But you know what's really funny? If you look at the polling data, the Democratic Party mostly likes the Democratic Party. The Republican voter mostly dislikes the Republican Party. That's amazing. It is funny that way. It's like they're just, you know, maybe eventually these congressmen will finally kind of rotate out. There is a record number of people running,

is my understanding, in the Republican races, for the Republican primaries and for Congress. So I'm just saying too many Republicans running is actually bad news for the republicans but too many republicans running in the primaries is really good news yeah that's what needs to happen yeah and i mean also without you know any sort of suicide pact type stuff like i mean again i'm going back to like lynn wood being like don't vote for the georgia senate candidates you see you see that lie they put out there like donald trump told people not to vote no that was lynn wood it's it's it's insane the story just came out daily beast reporting that trump said that if they don't something if they don't like sort through the fraud then republicans won't be voting in 2022 or 2024 he didn't say not to vote. He was expressing his opinion that people wouldn't have trust in the elections

and wouldn't come out. Yeah, I don't know. I, you know, I'll again be, I really am kind of annoyed by comments like that because Trump was president. He was. He was empowered. He had the ability to do some stuff.

Now he's not, right? Like, you know, if you want to blame anybody for like not getting the stuff done that needed to be done before the election, blame yourself. Like you were, that was your done that needed to be done before the election, blame yourself. Like you were you. That was your job. Not to be too nihilistic, but I don't think we could vote our way out of this mess personally myself. That's just my opinion.

It might be to black pill for some people, but I do think it's going to be art. It's going to be culture. It's going to be memes. It's going to be ideas, it's going to be individuals standing up for their personal individual liberties and being personally responsible for themselves, moving away from such a draconian totalitarian system and deciding that they're going to be taking care of themselves by being happy, healthy, and productive as much as they can. And I think the reason that the state thrives off of so many people who don't think, people who are unhealthy. It's motivated in a way where you not being fulfilled, you being weak makes the state stronger. So I think if

anything's going to happen, if there's ever going to be a change, it's citizenry deciding to take care of themselves, take personal responsibility, be happy, healthy, and prosperous. And that will eventually reverberate and reciprocate into people moving away from the state and moving towards their own kind of individual liberty. Yeah, and you pointed out if we can overcome the tech censorship then. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a big one. We're going to go to Super Chats, but I want to say one thing that I find funny. Back in the day, Luke and I were hanging out in 2011, 2012, and we had this joke that in 20 years or whatever, I'd be the suit-wearing CEO of a major conglomerate media company and Luke would be this still independently run operation.

And he'd see me coming out of a meeting and he'd be like, Tim, why did you question me? And then I'd be like, it's Luke. Get out of here. And it's a funny joke. But I'm just I'm just thinking about how long it's been and how much work we've put in and where we are now. You know, Luke's been doing this for a lot longer than I have. We were hanging out back in 20, 2011. And now here we are, you know, doing doing more work, challenging these systems, fighting for freedom.

And I feel honestly, if you look at this new studio, I mean, we've been winning in a lot of ways. It's gotten worse. It's gotten darker. But I do believe a lot of it is because panic and fear. The establishment has been losing control. Donald Trump was a huge sign they were losing control. They freaked out. And boy, did they slam an iron fist. And that's only going to destabilize the system for them more as we grow, as we expand, as we expand, and we do more work, especially thanks to all of you who are super chatting, everybody commenting, everybody liking, everybody who reads human events, who watches We Are Change, who watches TimCast, you guys, all of us together. Let's read some super chats and get down to it. If you haven't

already, smash that like button. Maude Dib says, Tim, have you listened to data and picard by pogo if if not you should also here's a doom quote to accept a little death is worth than death itself chani interesting song by pogo is it we should have him all right let's see andrew kempker says give ian his own show or podcast through timcast to elaborate on his ideas. I would love a cooking show. I think that cooking segment on the vlog was brilliant. I would love to see more personally. I did a little gem segment earlier on the vlog, the Timcast, what is it, the Cast Castle vlog, and that was really good.

I agree. I would like to do a show maybe with Andreas, like an after show, late night. We'll call it like the late, late, late, late show. Dude, you and Andreas. 4 o'clock in the morning. That would be like the ultimate, like, I need to be high. Yeah, exactly. It's like the adult swim. We'll carry the torch.

All right. What do we got here? Let's see. Carl Andrews says, Luke, I will follow you on insta and anywhere for that matter from the poop covered sidewalks of california to the thousand yard ranges of fredama stan amen thank you we went to fredama stan today we rode the bikes around there's an old cemetery on it from the 1700s apparently like people pull up and try and go they like they want to go and they're like hey can i go to the cemetery it's on this private property and i don't think we're gonna have a

thousand yard range but i think we'll have a good range a good one um it's a big property it's on this private property. And I don't think we're going to have a thousand yard range. But I think we'll have a good range. A good one. It's a big property. It's like a little, there's a little hill. You know, it's not too crazy, but it'll be a whole lot of fun. I love cemeteries, man. I grew up with a cemetery right outside my backyard. Like there's a little fence.

Oh, wow. The big cemetery. I grew up pretty close to Resurrection Cemetery where the famous story of Resurrection Mary takes place. You guys should read that ghost story. Maybe for Tales from the Inverted World, we can have Shane investigate some of these Chicago ghost stories.

I was talking to him about it. I was like, dude, Chicago's got so much. Like Bachelor's Grove, man. That's a story that needs to be written about more. Like people have written about it, but as time goes on, more weird stuff emerges. All right. Seven Om Cruise says,

Tim, you bought the wrong motorcycle. You are never going to experience the joy of a long distance ride on that rocket jokes aside. Congratulations on your new ride. Stay safe and your wheel stay safe and your wheels on the road. So I got the zero SRS. It's an electric motorcycle because we got those Onyx bikes and people commented. Those are not the Tesla of the Tesla motorcycles. Zero is. And then we looked into it and the SRS is like, oh man, I, I gotta say, um, amazing motorcycle zero to 60, like in a couple seconds, I was, I went from 65 to like zero in a couple seconds, which was kind of scary. Cause I had to stop for a hard turn, is silent.

It is quiet, just so quiet. I'm worried I'll get hit. I mean, I don't mean to be like, if you're worried about, you should be worried about getting hit. So my mom was a lawyer and she did insurance defense, right? So that means like somebody, you know, it's usually like various types of injuries. And then she represents the insurance company if it goes to litigation. And through her experience, and then she said to me, Will, there's two things I never want you to do. One of them is to go on a carnival ride, right?

And the second is to ride a motorcycle. Like, and that's just, you know, that's her thing. Like, she was like, if you don't do those two things, you'll probably be okay. But the carnival rides, the temporary, you know, she's like, amusement parks, fine. It's fixed. It's very strong. Temporary carnival rides, never. I've never, ever. I just fixed. It's very strong. Temporary carnival rides, never. Never, ever.

I got electrocuted on one of those. I think people, the way I approach the riding the motorcycle is just I do very different things. So when I'm getting off the highway, I do a right turn three times instead of taking a left turn. And it might sound paranoid or whatever, but there's a story right now about this like uh amateur skateboarder like not not like somebody was actually paid to do it they're called am and uh he was stone cold sober riding his bike and someone just hit him because people don't see you so i my view of it is look it's not a long distance bike it's ranged about 100 miles i treat it like you know there's a very very high risk factor so you know you've got to go with traffic but when i exiting, we actually have a way we can come to the property where you don't turn left

off of the highway when it runs down, you turn right and then loop around and then go down. So those right turns are faster, easier, safer, things like that. I'm not, I'm not planning on taking this bike on, you know, using it for everything short, short rides and stuff. But I was reading, I think it's like one in four people get in an accident. Yeah. My dad was a fireman for 25 years, also named Tim. And the worst injury he got was before he was a fireman on a motorcycle, he hit something on the road and flew over the front of the bike, and then the bike ran him over and broke his leg.

And he has a big iron rod, metal rod in his leg still to this day. Yeah, I mean, a good friend of ours. I don't know if you know Alec Baker, but he's like sort of in conservative world. He worked for, I think, Cassie Dillon for a while or something like that. But anyway, he got a motorcycle three weeks later, had a massive injury. Broke his leg in three places. He was a year of rehab. Wow.

What happened? I think he just got, I don't know if it was rear-ended, but he got hit by a Jeep. Yep. That's the other thing, too. It's like, yeah, I'm not going to be taking a bike into, like, I'm not going to be using it for regular travel. Yeah. You know? We're going to use it for more country stuff, less traffic.

Yeah, open roads. Well, I mean, my dad, he was him alone with the bike, and something knocked him over the front of the thing. He hit a deer, you know? I almost hit a deer. It was running at an angle towards me, And then I was like, okay, we're going to collide. I hit the brakes and it just zoomed right in front of me. Oh man, that's crazy. All right. We got some super chats here. Let's see. Jairine Johnny says I will be losing a six figure job in the coming weeks. I've done DOD cybersecurity for almost 20 years. Company is

looking at a 30 to 40% loss of manpower. So we get regular emails reminding us to comply. I shall not comply. Thank you for doing what you do. Thank you. I saw a post, I don't know if it's true, and they were like, a company announced vaccine mandates. And then they mentioned it was an airport. I don't know if you saw this post. They were like the C terminal at some airport. The restaurant owner mandated everybody get vaccine mandates. And then the next day, half the staff didn't show up. So all the restaurants were closed. And he sent out an email saying the policies rescinded. Everyone come to work.

Yeah. I mean, I have enormous respect for people who do not comply with the mandates and make meaningful and make serious sacrifices like that. Like, I don't think I don't think everybody's in a position to do that. And I don't I don't begrudge people who don't. Right. Like some people need the money. Some people like for whatever reason whatever like they need the money

they can't they just can't be unemployed and treat those people as having been coerced right like they've been meaningfully coerced into doing it but people who don't i mean kairi i think i think kairi erving's doing is one of the most brave things i've ever seen it's giving up 200 million dollars 200 because he's not just giving up his current your salary he's giving up well i mean he's not he's giving up his chance as an extension with the team he currently works, which is, and the way the NBA pay structure works. I mean, I don't know

if it'll be ultimately a full $200 million loss, but it'll be substantial because if you switch teams, the amount you can sign for is dramatically reduced and the years are reduced too. And sponsorship deals

and advertisements, all of that. I mean, it's a very, I mean, very, very brave thing to be doing and a very, like he has a ton of skin in the game. You compare this to things like widespread BLM protests

where they're basically just doing what the establishment wanted. Everybody went along with it. No meaningful risk. If anything, the risk is not going along with it. And you compare that to this where he's just completely out on an island with everyone from the corporations, the administration, the mainstream media, everyone just giving it to him. All right. This one's a spicy one.

Sonny James says this whole – this is the whole problem with the CIA and the FBI. They're lazy. They want unemployment and postmates. It's easy to chase down people who aren't running. It's not even cool to belong to the CIA or FBI anymore. They can't even pull off a good PSYOP equivalent to working at BK. Oof. At least you get free cheeseburgers when you work at Burger King, right? I think they're pretty good

at PSYOPs, especially if you... I can't even mention. Alright. We'll have you on the after late, late, late show. Here's a super chat I'm going to read. Most of it says I won't. Nick S says, and I'm going to read it verbatim. Is Tim, you're either dumb or naive if the DOJ

will do nothing in support of the January 6th rioters, but you won't read this because it's critical of why? What? Well put. What? What? I read comments that are critical of me all the time. I think his legal analysis is better than his grammar, but it's a close

war. What is he saying? I don't actually know what that means. I don't know what he's saying. Right. I think he's saying that I'm dumb if the DOJ will do nothing in support of the January 6th rioters. So that is to say if the DOJ supports the rioters, I'm smart. Well, hey, read that again really quick. I think I got an answer.

Is it maybe like he's trying to say that the DOJ won't, will throw the book at the rioters and you're dumb and naive if you think they won't? I don't know. Maybe. But then we have the experience of like all these misdemeanors. Here we go. I love this one. Nick S. Here he comes again.

You weren't arrested, Tim. It's called being detained. Wrong. So what's the difference? Tell him he's wrong. Nick, you're wrong. When a police officer stops you and says you are under arrest, you are not being detained. You have been arrested. It's like a more extreme form of detention.

Well, I mean, so detained is like there's something called like a Terry stop, right? So basically if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot, they can stop you and frisk you, for example. And they can ask you questions. In other circumstances, you are being detained. You are not free to leave. But there's a natural time limit on that. I think it's like most jurisdictions, I think it's 45 minutes. Something like that.

I think in Illinois, it might be 15. So when you're detained, they say, you ask, am I being detained? No. Then you say, okay, then I'm leaving. When you're arrested, there is no time limit and you're not free to leave. Right. However, being arrested doesn't mean you're going to be charged or processed. People don't know this because they get their information from TV shows.

So when I was stopped by the cops and told three times by the supervisor, you have been placed under arrest. You are not free to leave. Sit down and wait and then left. Right. And also, you are not free to leave when you're being detained either it's just that there's that time limit on it and i think the standard is like it's a reasonable suspicion when you're being detained right like the cop just can't just stop and frisk you for no good reason at all right like you have to have like some suspicion but to arrest you right which means that they can bring you to jail book you etc they need to have cetera. They need to have probable cause that you committed a crime. So there was a group of people that were surrounded by cops.

This was a large black block antifa-type group that had been starting fires and smashing windows. And everybody in that group got surrounded by all the police. And they came out and said, you have all been placed under arrest. You are not free to go. And we are now going to start loading people up into the vans one at a time. People were held there for like eight hours or something. However, for me, after the supervisor told me three times to my face outside of the formal announcement, he said, sir, you've been arrested. Just wait. And I said, I'm just letting you know I'm a journalist. And

he's like, okay. Eventually a local news outlet boss called the department and said, why are you arresting our journalists? Get them out of there. When he came to pull out, there's this little Asian woman. I was standing next to her and I held up my card and he went, okay. And he pulled me out and he goes, you got a press card. I was like, it's right here. And I gave it to him and he goes, all right, you can leave. So when you're told several times, you are not being detained, you are being arrested and you can't leave. And you sit there for over an hour. That is not a detainment. Do they need to tell you what you're being arrested for? Even if they don't book you? Nope. Nope. People think like, oh, I love it. Someone said, did they read you your rights? Can you please help us with this one? You are not guaranteed to read your rights.

And most of the time you are not. This is a TV thing, right? Because it's like law and order, right? They place the person under arrest, walk them off with their handcuffs and read them as Miranda rights. Generally speaking, people only read their Miranda rights when they're subject to a custodial interrogation, because the entire point of Miranda is so you can use the testimony in court. But if you're not interrogating someone, you don't need to Miranda's them. If the police watch you throw a brick or see a group of people with you in it, throw a brick and they decide they're taking they're going to there's going to be criminal charges against this group. They don't need to investigate any further their testimony is i watched him do it my fellow officer is a witness who watched him do it they're not going to read you your rights yeah and also generally the way it works is before you know

you've seen the you know this is the thing you know there's the custodial interrogation room where the police officer come in and ask questions of them before Before that starts, you are handed a piece of paper. And that's how you are given your rights generally is that, you know, on the piece of paper and you sign, you know, that you've been made aware of your Miranda rights. And then they can come in and start questioning you. Yeah, but on TV they want to say it out loud for an exposition. There's this famous viral video from Occupy where a woman's being arrested and she's going, I have not been read my rights. And it's like, so you're aware of them because you're yelling this out you're not being investigated for anything they're charging you with like obstructing a roadway they don't

need to interrogate you to figure out you did it yeah you know people get their get their news from tv shows and movies their legal analysis silencer is going right yeah their legal analysis from watching law and order all right let's see blave kaiser says but bill maher says getting involved in local elections and primaries are a slow coup he said trump is performing a slow coup by getting involved participating in democracy is a coup oh man bill maher is so close but he won't he won't stop he won't step on that line oh maybe he will psilocybin i don't know what's it gonna be bill i don't know man we're good all right let's see punk rock fox says tim i am freaking out i was able to get a ticket to your event but the site would only allow me to grab one ticket

i wanted two and i can't leave my girlfriend behind. We are both huge fans. You know, are they plus one or not? So the tickets are not plus one. The issue is that you can bring a friend if you're a member. You can sign up to get a ticket for another person. If they're not members, they won't be let in unless they're with you. So you can get a ticket for a plus one. We went over a lot of ways to try and figure out the best way to go about doing this.

So the idea is if you're a $25 member or more, then you would get advance notice. And so right now the post is only available to people who are members at 25 or more. The $10 members didn't have access to it because we wanted to be like, for those that are really diehard fans, we want to make sure you can come. And it sold out instantly. So the idea was everybody needs a plus one. People can't come by themselves. So you could click RSVP, get a ticket, and then have your friends, another wife, whatever, also get a ticket, and then they could come with you, but they could only get in if they

were with someone because we're going to check at the door, which meant basically about 100 tickets because we were initially planning on only doing like 30, and we're like, we'll do a real venue. And it's just, I think the harsh realities of life is there's no way for us to do an event that would be like, that would work in this way if we had a thousand tickets or 2000 tickets or 3000. Because you get to that point, it's no longer a hangout meet and greet.

It's just us on stage waving to you and then leaving. The Daily Wire did recently, the videos on Check Em Out, where they have like a thousand person event. Those are cool leaving. The Daily Wire did recently. The videos on Check Them Out where they have like a thousand person event. Those are cool too. What they did was that they had 300 people who got tickets to do a meet and greet thing with them.

Out of those 2,000. So they had a big event but they had a very much smaller event where they actually were shaking hands and making people exhausted by having these small conversations. I will just make sure I stress this point right now. If someone shows up and doesn't have a ticket, they can't get in because we are just going to a small private venue, and we don't have the capacity. So if you have a ticket, you can come.

And my apologies. If we could have done a better job, we will learn from this, and we will do something better. But let me just stress as well, with Fredomistan, we are planning to never have this problem again because we're going to just have a big open field and we're going to have an event. Perhaps the Free Dome. The Free Dome. A giant event space. You do like old Coachella type thing.

Yeah, it's going to be, it's Fredomistan, you know, freedom I don't know. Land. Yeah, Fredomistan's freedom party or something. And then we can actually accommodate like a couple hundred more people. And then still, you know, land. Yeah, Freedom. I'm a Stan's Freedom Party or something. And then we can actually accommodate like a couple hundred more people. And then still, you know, it is difficult to hang out

and meet people and play pool and watch comedy when you have this massive, massive show. I didn't want to do a stadium thing. I didn't want to do like a big venue, you know, because then it's basically just doing a show and waving to people and they get to look at you,

but then you don't get to actually hang out and meet people. But that means also smaller events. But if we were planning on doing them once a month, so, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll figure something out. One of the, one of the, one of the ideas was that you can't go to two, two events consecutively. Yeah. I was thinking that too. That crossed my mind. If, if like you've gone to the October, October event, then in November, you know, we're like, sorry, you know, you can't come and, you know, but we got to figure it out, you know? So, uh,

200 tickets were already dished out. You need a ticket to get in. We're going to be checking memberships at the door. If you got a ticket for your friend who's not a member, they can come in with you. We'll figure it out. We're not an events company, so we should definitely get an events plan. We should, and we should take the show on the road and hit every major capital and do 1,000-seat live show events. Just my personal bias

amanda dilt says tim fix the sword you talk about gun edict sword edict is point edge point down edge down i see in case someone puts their hand like that you don't want them to get cut on the blade i guess the concern was that we didn't want to actually rest the blade against anything but we'll flip it over. Although they're not... I guess it's technically a real sword. Like, we have the Zelda... You know what I want to do? We should do this.

We should take the Master Sword and, like, actually make it a sword. That thing? Yeah, the Master Sword from Zelda is actually just a big piece of metal. It's not actually a sword. But, you know, we'll do that. All right, let's read some super chats okay downy jr says hi tim please have a look at free speech union.org they

provide legal support in the uk for cancel culture victims douglas murray is a director it's similar to what you suggested to james o'kee Buckley story. Interesting. Yeah, that sounds cool. freespeechunion.org. I have the big fat blade here. This would make a good real sword. It is not real. It is not sharp. It has a plastic hilt that will shatter in two seconds if you actually tried to use that thing. It's higher pitch than that.

Yeah! Yeah, that's how he does it. Okay, let's see roberto lara says tim memes were basically the main focus in the game metal gear rising revengeance check it out tim or ian also cluck cluck that's right roberto is the name of our rooster and roberto roberto jr is his son i looked out the window about 8 30 this morning and i saw tim walking like this with two chickens on his arms just walking i did have two chickens i thought it was hilarious we call them the poo babies because three babies hatched and they just you know because chickens just crap everywhere they'll like walk over to their food dish eat turn around and just dump right

into their food so you know that's what they do. That's so gross. Wow. Yeah, the joke is that they're smart enough not to drink their water after they crap in it, but they're not smart enough not to crap in their own water. That's chickens. So, yeah, they're big enough now. I think they're at the pole hen stage. No, no, they're not. They're not.

They're still pullets. But Roberto Jr. is getting big. He's Roberto's son. He's going to be a rooster. And he went, like, he tried. He's trying. He's, they're not. They're not. They're still pullets. But Roberto Jr. is getting big. He's Roberto's son. He's going to be a rooster. And he went, like he tried. He's trying. Bless his heart. Do you think he's getting trained by Roberto of how to scream?

You know, interestingly, I was worried that the older chickens would abuse them. And they did nip at them, like at their faces. But for the most part, they're chill. They're all super chill. Yeah, the original older chickens, the parents and everything, just like look at them and get all confused and look at me and then just walk away. The most they do is they jump at them and then just go back about their business to shoo them away. But yeah, yeah. The chicken babies are getting pretty big. So I was trying to move them away from one another.

It was really funny to look out the window and see Tim walking with chickens on his arms. Two of them. And it looked really balanced. He was like the blind lady of them. feel good to put your finger in a cow's mouth you just don't want to upset the cow while you're doing it and you want to make sure it's a kind of i mean i would don't do it i'm not saying to do it i'm just saying i genuinely would not have guessed that alex jones would have uh that level of expertise as a farmer putting his dad yeah interesting manifest manifest at destiny says i think sanjay was a compromise between rogan and CNN to avoid litigation. Sanjay laid down for CNN.

Joe got to humiliate him. I think Joe figured out when too much money is too much money. Yeah, I wonder if Joe reached out and had a legal letter, and they were like, what can we do? And then maybe? Maybe. He'd rather humiliate them. He's like, get on the show. Explain it.

I don't think Sanjay just go, maybe. Well, hold on. Maybe Sanjay didn't know. To Joe's audience, Sanjay Gupta saying you were right, I mean, that kind of resolves, maybe Sanjay didn't know. To Joe's audience, Sanjay Gupta saying you are right, I mean, that kind of resolves a lot of the defamation claim, right? Yeah, but then why would they

let their own people double down and claim that they weren't right? That's true. It doesn't make sense that Joe, sue him. Let Lemon and Aaron Burnett have Sanjay on to make him recant. Yeah.

Gotta sue him. Manuel Delgado says, Tim and Will, you complain and rag on the Republicans. Fail to acknowledge the majority are boomers and corporate shills. We need young blood running this country. William, you sound more like a rhino. Oh, savage. Shots fired.

I know. Gosh, like, what do you mean? That's an insult. Like, I think Republicans should win, and it's good that we're Trumpists, except that I don't think, like... I think Rhino's a compliment. I mean...

Rand Paul is a Rhino. You know why? Yeah. Because he's the outlier. The Republican Party is the party of McConnell and Lindsey Graham. Rand Paul's, like, the one guy who's actively, like... Josh Hawley. Yeah, and Hawley...

Like, I don't know how you... I mean, if you think that Josh Hawley and Ron DeSantis and Ted Cruz and Cotton, like my Peter Thiel, my guys are the rhinos, then like, I don't know what Republican Party you're a part of. But it's not the one I understand that exists. And it's and it's it's a very weird one. It's like it's like the people who said, like, basically, I wonder if the critique is that I'm not neocon enough or something. I don't know. I don't know. Brandon D says Joe Roggan engaged sanjay in

verbal jujitsu and got the submission of course he's joe all right james garlic says tim i watch all of your content every day unfortunately i always have to go to your channel to watch your two daily timcast as its shadow band for me to keep up for me to keep up the good work all of you you know that's uh that's that's that's what youtube does yeah you can go to his channel as it's shadow banned for me to keep up the good work, all of you, you know, that's what YouTube does. Yeah, you can go to his channel and go through a bunch of videos. Like open up like 30 or 40 of his videos and like them all and like like a bunch of videos from the channel. We don't want to call for spamming.

Oh, okay. But that seems to tell the algorithm I want to see more of this. That's why I like stuff. No, if somebody watches a video, they can press like. Otherwise, you can find the channels, YouTube.com. I see. Okay. Yeah, they need to watch the video and then decide if they like it.

Right. Yeah, if you like it, you like it. So be sure to like the videos you watch that you like. If you like it, yeah. Because that's what I've been doing with IRL, and it pops up in my feed. Yeah. There you go. Poofy says, yo, do that Ethan Klein impression again.

I don't remember how I did it. You don't even have to read, bro I did it you don't even have to you don't have to read bro yeah you don't even have to read bro you gotta think about it listen yeah you don't think about it yeah I'm the independent voice that's right yeah that's me is he really doing that show with Hassan are they really doing that that was a joke I think it was a joke oh yeah yeah because he's like I I even Klein is is you know, well, well entitled to do, you know, commentary on pop culture and stuff. But like, man, telling telling people not to be to purposefully be irresponsible and not actually like consult doctors was just one of the most ridiculous. I thought the whole Crowder stunt was ridiculous.

The one where the one where he like, you know, agreed to a debate and then he like brought on somebody else to do the debate that he had agreed to like dude's dude's kind of weak i don't know i don't know i don't watch his content but every time i hear about something he says or does it's like embarrassing and clownish chris crowe says tim your game room is lacking a pinball machine yeah pinball machines cost like seven grand. Yeah, I was talking about it the other day. That's a lot. And they're really noisy. But that was the first thing I wanted.

I was like, I want to get a pinball machine. And then I looked at the price and I was like, I don't want to get a pinball machine anymore. But the arcade machine with like 30,000 games on it was way cheaper. Oh, I played some Mario Brothers today. I'm talking the OG Mario Brothers. That's the high score contest. I think I can beat that because I got really far the first time i played on one life all right okay nick in the focus says tim make an app with audio and or video my pocket keeps clicking off your videos while i'm

working if you use the brave browser apparently this allows you to sleep your phone and have the audio keep playing because Because Brave is awesome. We use Brave. Actually, you can see the little Brave symbol. Brave is incredible. All right. Let's see what we got. Colin P. says Sanjay's book publisher sent him to Rogan, not CNN.

Interesting. That's probably... I could see that for sure, right? The book publisher being like, you need to build your own platform. You need a chance to market this to a big audience. I mean, it's one thing to just get a random small CNN hit. It's another thing to be able to go on Rogan,

which has a huge audience and then have their attention for hours. Yeah. Vince R says, why hasn't anyone asked to spin that UFO? Spin it. I'm spinning it. This one is going to spin that UFO. And if you, if you're a real Adam Krigler fan, you know this isn't Adam's UFO.

His is silver. Mine is black. That's still my UFO. Technically, Adam's UFO is still technically Tim's UFO. If you're a real Adam Criggler fan, you would know that that was Tim's UFO. So what happened one day is he was doing his show, and my phone's Bluetooth was on while I was listening to some music video or something. And when I walked past the hallway, it automatically connected to the ufo and then started playing music because it's a bluetooth speaker that's amazing and hilarious yeah and then yeah it was

funny i know you're out there out yeah someone's i've convinced a 23 year libertarian not to vote to santas i saw that one oh yeah daniel williams says okay i don't like will anymore and you have convinced a 23 year libertarian not to vote to santantis. Why? Well, I mean, I'm not a libertarian. So my arguments are not libertarian. So it's unsurprising that I am not persuasive to libertarians. All right. KJ9109 says, you talked about artists being shut down. This is part of why NFTs are blowing up. The art is immutable on the blockchain with a vibrant counterculture forming. Curio cards, CryptoPunks, and Rare Pepes were early trailblazers creating. Check out what artists are doing. We are going to be launching a bunch of NFTs.

So we're going to be doing, you know, I think one of the best things that anyone can do for especially a show like this is sell and give away as much of our stuff as possible. So like Ian's Obsidian Rock. Oh, I love these things. We could, we could do a giveaway, you know, where we like we'll do like half to charity and half to the company or whatever to support our journalists. Or we can be like for our open network foundation. So we could say something like, you know, we have a, yeah,

like Ian's Obsidian Rock could be put up and like, if you want to get this, it's Ian's Rocks. He has everyone hands them to everybody. And then that money can go to fund the Open Network Foundation. These are great, by the way. This is a wonderful almost fidget spinner type thing. Yeah, right, right. And then we're going to do NFTs, the same thing.

So there can be an NFT version, and then someone could buy it, and then we use that money to fund the nonprofits, the charities, the fact-checking. Something I want to do with the nonprofit charity that we just started is not only will we be paying the developers that are building out the metaverse, but I think we can use charity funds to host a node to actually host bandwidth. And that can be like part of the charity function. Yep. Server space actually, you know, making it work. So we're going to do NFTs. We're going to do event auctions. We're

going to do a whole bunch of stuff. And you know, the, the, the most important thing I think for people is that, you know, having a, having a part of the show, having a part of the art, having something that like allows you to be a part of it and have something unique no one else can have. Like, if we sold this, like, only you would have it. Only the one person who got it would actually have it. And that would be unique, along with the NFTs. With that being said, my friends, make sure you smash that like button. It's greatly appreciated.

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Only give them a few seconds of it, though, see if they can spot it in time. Okay, there we go. We need to do a fake credits so that we can do the wide shot. Yeah, we do. And we'll play like... Just put spot it in time. Okay, there we go. We need to do a fake credits so that we can do the wide shot. Yeah, we do. And we'll play like... Just put Orwell in there. Put 1984, the whole book, but make it go really fast.

There you go. That'd be great. I love that. You guys, I am also having... Oh, here. See? I have to switch the camera still and I always forget to do it. You're getting good at it.

Trial by fire. Oh, cool. I'm also having a similar fight with Instagram right now. They're taking down my old memes. I've never posted anything unkind, nothing rude, nothing bullying, and they're threatening to take my whole account down over stuff that I posted well over a year ago. So if you guys would like to follow me on Instagram,

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