Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #411 - MSNBC Attempted Jury Tampering, BANNED From Rittenhouse Trial w/Ben Stewart

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join filmmaker Ben Stewart to discuss the MSNBC reporter who apparently tried to track the Rittenhouse jurors, Tim's theory about the manipulated evidence in an attempt to win the case, possible rumors of a hung jury, and Tim and Luke debate whether it's better to focus on the players or to focus on the game. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, MSNBC was caught jury tampering. Now, fortunately, it was attempted jury tampering, but apparently an MSNBC producer was trailing the jury bus, blowing through a street light to try and keep up with them. And, of course, they come out and they say, this is a normal process. They were just trying to get in touch with the jurors so they could interview them after the verdict.

Right. The judge banned MSNBC from the building. Good. Now, this producer that was named is an NBC producer. So, of course, overlap. But this may be one of the most serious, I don't know how you just, acts of aggression. What do you want to call it? Attempts to interfere,

grave constitutional violations. November 9th, I believe it was Fox News. Everyone reported. I mean, I was watching the trial. The judge said someone tried to film the jury at the bus pickup. We will change protocol. It won't happen again. So don't tell me these MSNBC producers did not know what they were doing was in violation of the judge's rules. And I believe criminal. Some have reported it was a felony to try and do what they did. We have more evidence. This story gets crazy. I believe I have a case to present to you that ADA Krause tampered with evidence to cheat because they knew they would lose. I believe I can spell it out for you very clearly now. That being said, I'm not going to claim it's definitive,

but I can show you the evidence. He has software in his computer for cropping and for formatting. I believe he got the footage himself from Tucker Carlson's show, cropped out the Fox News graphic, compressed it to give the defense a version they could not form an argument around, and then he got caught. Now, maybe it's speculative, but wait till we show you the transcript and you see what he said. I believe he outed himself and he got caught. Will the judge declare a mistrial with prejudice? Will he declare a mistrial? He could rule on either because both motions have been raised. He said a day of reckoning.

He said, I warned you a day of reckoning would come over this video. But we'll wait to see what the jury says. Now, if the jury comes back with not guilty, it's moot. But some rumors are circulating. That's a six six hung jury that they're not in agreement. Guilty and not guilty right in the middle. And so what will the judge do? I don't know. But this is a travesty of justice.

So we'll go through that. We've got some other stories to talk about. The National Guard in Oklahoma refusing the vaccine and being threatened to be disbanded effectively. They would be kicked out of the National Guard and they would just become militia. Apparently that's what the Pentagon said. But we'll get into all that stuff.

Joining us to talk about all of this stuff today is filmmaker Ben Stewart. Good to be back. This is my third time. Go to benjosephstewart.com and look me up on YouTube, Ben Stewart. Got a lot of really good news. And I have to say that I listen to The Daily Show every day, Tim. I get some really good stuff from there.

Oh, I appreciate it, man. Yeah, man. Well, glad to have you back. It's always a pleasure. We did that first episode on the fourth turning and going through the book and everything. So we might get into that stuff again as well because that's a very crazy topic, especially with how crazy everything is getting. Yeah. We got Luke chilling.

Yeah, last year I was here. I was like, you guys got to get Ben in here. It's good to see finally you here three times now. Finally, I'm here when you're here. So I'm really happy about that. Me and Ben go back all the way back to 2010. That's right. And yeah, it's great to see you.

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went through here the last few days and now we're like sitting in the calm. It's nice. It's silent. It is silent, you know. It's like the ghost of Alex and Rogan still are like permeating the wall They're still alive.

Yes, yes. Thank you, guys. Well, to be honest, we had a million and one people trying to, you know, we want to come on, we want to come on,

and I was like, I think we need to just have a calmer single guest like we would normally do because this Austin trip has been fantastic, but, you know, we're going to have

two people on tomorrow so it'll be a big show again, but it's been a blast here. We got Lydia pressing the buttons. Thank you guys for joining me in the kitchen once again as we're chilling in Austin. This is a really cool city. We did some really fun stuff.

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Let's get into that first story. And this, my friends, is a doozy from the New York Post. MSNBC banned from Kyle Rittenhouse trial after producer accused of following jurors accused. The police caught the person and took them into custody, issued them traffic citations. This person following the jury bus from the Rittenhouse trial blew a stoplight to try and keep up with them. That's crazy, huh? Dang. Let's read a little bit.

They say the man who identified himself as James Morrison was pulled over Wednesday after he allegedly blew a red light while pursuing a bus that transport jurors. He stated he had been instructed by a superior in New York to follow the jury bus. Now we have the name. I'm not going to say the name of this producer because we have no evidence the producer was actually doing anything. And a lot of people are accusing this producer of malintent. I can tell you this.

The police said this guy was doing this thing. He may have just tried throwing a producer under the bus by being like, oh, it's my boss. My boss made me do it. I don't have evidence of that, but I can say the producer in question purged their social media across the board. I watched it happen in real time. That could just be because people are piling on because the judge said their names. I don't think the judge should have to be completely honest. I think the judge should have called out this guy.

But I'll tell you this. MSNBC knew, NBC knew that this was jury tampering. The judge had already warned about filming the jury. The police said they believed the man was trying to photograph jurors. And now it gets worse. The judge says the bus is blacked out so they can't see in or out the jurors. You know how bad that is? That's not a good thing. And he said it was because we don't want the jurors to see anything from either side. How thick do you think the wall of a bus is? A millimeter of steel? When that bus drives past the courthouse to screaming, to bullhorning, those jurors can hear it all. You can block the light, but you can't block the sound. And the bus goes by and everybody knows. You mean to tell me that you blacked out the bus so they couldn't see? People got bullhorns.

These people are being brought into the courtroom under this guard because of these protests. Two people got arrested for fighting. A dude got arrested for having a knife. These jurors know it. Jury tampering, in my opinion, it's here. Now, the craziest bit of this, MSNBC. Corporate actors. This is, I mean, what would bit of this, MSNBC, corporate actors. This is, I mean, what would you describe this as?

It's not activism. It's work. It's crazier than that. Mike Cernovich wrote about this today, and he said MSNBC crossed state lines to jury tamper. And I think there's a case to be made here, especially with how biased MSNBC has been about this entire case. I mean, Joy Reid was just on her nationally syndicated television show talking about how Kyle crying is just white man tears, which she doesn't care about. She called Kyle a Karen. She compared him to Kavanaugh. And these are people with obviously a bent.

They want a particular outcome in this story. So to think that they're innocent here, I think, is a misnomer. We're still waiting to find out all the details. We don't know exactly what was going on here. No, we do. We do. I mean, as far as the bigger details, the exact intentions, whether this is going to be criminally charged or not, we don't know that. But I posted a meme about this today on my Twitter account, and it shows Michael Myers in Halloween

with the tagline MSNBC creeping on jurors. So, you know, we've got to laugh at this thing because it's ridiculous. And I think, you know, from my own personal view, this was more malicious than it was investigative journalism. Investigative. Investigating a jury who's being protected from public exposure?

Well, that's the other side of the story that they're saying. I think it was last week. We did a segment on this show where I played an MSNBC video where they said, Gage Grosskreutz testified he had his hands up when he was shot. And then they play a video from the trial of something totally different, of him talking

about how he was scared for his life and wanted to be an EMT. And I'm like, that's not the testimony. And then we played the video where the defense said it wasn't until you advanced on Kyle and pointed your gun at him that he shot you. And he says, yes. So what the, what was MSNBC talking about? Then we get people saying, I haven't watched MSNBC to this capacity, but they're like, they show the prosecutor's closing argument and they don't show the defense now msnbc was attempting to

expose the identities of the jurors the police said let me show you this kenosha police department said police suspect this person was trying to photograph jurors is this i'll tell you this i think it is but is this a major corporate player ideologues, cultists trying to affect the outcome of a trial and if so, for what reason? I was just going to say what if they would have gotten pictures? What story can they run with? There's no story.

They probably would have leaked it. To what end? What would MSNBC's angle be like? Hey, check this out. What's the tagline? Hey, we got some pictures. They could have sent it. I mean, when I got attacked in Germany by Antifa, it was a mainstream media journalist that took a picture of me and gave it out to all the Antifa members to come target and attack me.

And then they lied about the entire situation. So there could be MSNBC journalists. I mean, they're acting more and more like activists. So they have a network of activists that work for them that obviously have connections to all the large organized protests that have been happening all throughout this country. I'm speculating here. We have no solid proof or evidence of this, but it's not far to speculate with just the atrocious actions that MSNBC has been taken on the intelligence of the American people with their blasphemy and bullcrap that they've been trying to shove down everyone's throat. It's ridiculous what they've been saying. They've been off the

rails and they've been more concerned about an agenda, a narrative, rather than, of course, any kind of even semblance of news reporting because they haven't been doing any of that. And I think that's a fair argument to make here with everything that's going on here. And it's just it's just ridiculous. Some people are saying that this is clear obstruction of justice. Some people are saying that they wanted the jury to know that they're watching them. Some people say that they wanted the jury know that they have their identities.

Who knows? But either way, this stinks to high heaven. We're going to find out later down the line what's going to happen here. I'm just speculating. I could see them wanting to prep a story like meet the jurors from the Kyle Rittenhouse and they have all of them already planned and they already know who each of them are and they find out

what about. And then they're just willing to throw this reporter under the bus. They're like, what's worse is going to happen? We're going to get sued for 10 million bucks if we get found out? Or this guy will go to prison for a felony and they're like we don't care. We can do it. Throw him under the bus. They're probably not going to even cover his lawyer fees.

Yeah, probably not. They've already said, I think, it was like a rogue producer. They're trying to claim like... So this was crazy. When the story broke, the police said a man alleging to be with a national outlet. I'm watching the live stream for the trial and it's just nothing.

It's just the emblem, right? Then all of a sudden, the sound turns on, the judge steps up and I'm like, this could be a verdict. What is this? And the judge said, here's what happened. Claiming to be with MSNBC. Now, I didn't know if that was true because I was like, guys, you know, I tweeted for all we know, this is Antifa pretending to be a reporter and knowing someone's name and throwing him under the bus, trying to escape the cops. Like's let's be chill about this a reporter from court tv said i know the guy yes he does work for this organization and this is a normal practice sounds to me i won't give him the benefit of the doubt i won't play that game anymore you could argue that msnbc was just like we're going to get a scoop and everyone else be damned no i, I'm not going to buy it. When MSNBC lies about the testimony of the state witness to make the state look better,

when they cut out the defense's arguments, when Joy Reid goes on her show and says white male tears, they want to affect the outcome. The reason those protesters are outside screaming as the bus is coming in to drop off jurors is because of the likes of MSNBC and others like them. So they definitely want to affect the outcome. In my opinion, this dude may have been a useful idiot, but I think they were like, get the jurors information. And you made a great point, Ben. To what end? To what story would they do? They can't. They can't do a story when the when the show's over maybe and maybe they're hoping they have more information on the jurors than anybody else they could find

them fast but either way if the jury finds out they're being trailed and they apparently did right that's jury intimidation right so what you think the jurors after the fact are going to be like oh that was you who was following us in this in this landmark trial we're terrified of the outcome of and making us fear for our lives. Of course, I'll do an interview with you. Let's make a statement. Why not? Yeah.

I can't follow. You ever hear a dog chasing a car? A dog doesn't know what he would do if he got the car. I'm really curious. What would they have done if they would have gotten a moment? Sorry, go ahead. I've seen a dog get the car and what happened was it hit the wheels when the car was going 50 miles

an hour and went flying up in the air and was torn apart. Good metaphor for what happened to this person in MSNBC. He got there. He ran at it. What good could have come out of it for this guy or for MSNBC? He knew what he was doing. He knew what he was doing.

This is not about getting a scoop. this is what how could this be anything other than a form of jury intimidation and obstruction of justice regardless of intent it was jury tampering obstruction i don't know about obstruction of justice i think that applies to like law enforcement investigation but this regardless of intent they were tampering with the jury. It's such a huge trial. I mean, like, biggest of our lifetime. Menendez brothers, it didn't fit everything that was going on in the world. This fits everything that's going on in the world. And I really feel, I was talking to Lydia beforehand, like, you take a look at this, like, yes, they're making it into something like black versus white but really it's somebody it's the only armed citizenry in the world protecting small businesses during a time where there's an all-out assault on small businesses

and really it's this is like an iconic symbolic show of force against anyone who wants to defend small businesses by any means the race thing thing really is crazy, too. And the ideology thing is crazy because I keep seeing the left saying he showed up in opposition to Black Lives Matter. And I was like, no one ever said that one time for the testimony from the state witnesses and the defense was that he rendered aid to the Black Lives Matter protesters. Sounds like he was aid to the black lives matter protesters sounds like he was there to help them but but also stop riots right so it's not like he's like i hate you no he's like i'm here to help you but please don't burn anything down this is unprecedented though i mean like what

i mean i'm trying to think of another time in history let's just say in the past hundred years where there have been such violent riots around the country that people in mass had had to start calling in local favors and saying like could you come and protect their business because carte carte blanche it's just being destroyed across the board has that ever happened well in the 90s there was uh riots in los angeles there was uh racial riots in new york as well and then of course in the 60s and 70s there was riots in New York as well. And then, of course, in the 60s and 70s, there was a lot of riots as well. So this is not something that's

uncommon. Where people brought their own guns to protect small businesses. The rooftop Koreans are, of course, talked about a lot, especially in the chat room. And, you know, this is not... What went down in the LA riots

and why the Koreatown residents took to their rooftops? The police left. They were like, what do you expect us to do about it? I don't know if it was the National Guard or the army that was brought in, but they formed a perimeter.

And so you have all of these people just being like, we've been abandoned completely. Don't be surprised when the state abandons you the police aren't going to protect you like we saw in kenosha they will leave so what happens you know there's that famous viral moment where the guy was pulled i say viral but this is historical where he was pulled out of the truck in the la riots and brutally beaten and stomped on the ground and left you know seriously injured and then during the ge George Floyd riots, the BLM riots, the great BLM riots of 2020,

25 people are confirmed to have been dead due to those riots. Now, if you go by the periphery, like related incidents around the riots, I believe it goes up to like 34, 33 maybe.

And they also found after a building was burned down and completely destroyed, they didn't realize this but after they cleared the rubble they found they found a body oh man so you have you have these stories and don't don't be surprised when people come out now the problem is when someone like kyle rittenhouse comes out he shouldn't have and he shouldn't have had to but the riders shouldn't have been there and if the riders did the police should have stopped them but the police

didn't this is what ends up happening. Now, the trial for Kyle Rittenhouse, as you mentioned, this is a question of whether or not regular people have a right to say no to the extremists destroying their neighborhoods. And as we can see with how Merrick Garland has been handling the AG, how he's been handling the DOJ as AG, going after parents concerned about critical race theory instead of the extremists and the riots and I mean I think it's fair to say we know who's being protected on this one not just going after parents but using counter-terrorism division members and using threat tags to go after specific parents because they went after they went to a pta meeting that's absolutely absurd and just highlights the insanity of the political persecution that's going after people for their

beliefs rather for their than for their actions i got um i've got a theory for you guys briefly mentioned it before the show but for everybody watching i believe that ada krauss in the written house trial manufactured evidence. I should say this manipulated evidence provided a weakened version of that evidence to the defense in an effort to disadvantage them, prejudice the jury and gain a Hail Mary pass, which, in fact, has now given them a potential hung jury. To simplify drone footage, they're calling it unicorn evidence, emerges right in the middle of the trial that the state has. They present it. They claim it shows Kyle Rittenhouse pointing his weapon at the Zeminskis, provoking Rosenbaum to attack him. Now, you can't really see much. Here's what we know is true. The evidence that they presented was not the same evidence given to the defense. The defense was provided with a, I believe it was a two, uh, was it like a two 12

P video, a lower resolution and apparently a cropped version. So when the defense is reviewing the video, they say, I can't see anything here. They're claiming that this shows Rittenhouse pointing the weapon. The jury will never buy it. The video is too blurry and grainy. But then they go to trial. They go into the trial and the jury is given higher res video instead. Now, what ends up happening is the defense didn't notice this. They crafted their argument around you can't see anything anyway. But in the higher res video, it's easier to see. And then the state made their argument. The defense was unable to provide a defense because they were not given the evidence. It wasn't until the judge said, I want to see this. The defense played their low res version.

And the judge says, what is this? I can't see anything. Binger, one of the prosecutors says, our version is clearer, isn't it? And Krause says, yes, this results in shock among the judge and the defense saying, what do you mean? How is yours clearer? We weren't provided that evidence. And then Krause says, no, it's just playing weird. That line right there is evidence to me. He realized, oh, I've been caught. Now, you may be saying, Tim, that's a wild theory, but I've brought receipts. I send you now to my Twitter where I produced a thread. Now, this is not definitive. It is just my hypothesis as to what may have occurred. I think it's possible I'm wrong because there's some elements here and I'll explain. But first, take a look at this.

We have an image from Election Whiz. He says, based on the work of John M. Curtis, Death Not Darth, and For Fearg, it appears the Rittenhouse drone video was a cropped version of the video shown on Tucker Carlson. So the image I'm presenting now on the screen for those that are watching, you can see the Tucker Carlson video and you can see the prosecution's video. And it looks like someone cropped out Fox News's graphic, creating a strange video. Now, here's the point I made. The drone footage presented by the state is in a weird format. 1920 by 844.

What resolution is that? I mean, nobody, it's 1080. This appears to be because the full video was manipulated to remove either the graphic or something the state did not want to include. Now, that's me speculating because I don't know who cropped that video. They may have received it from somebody else. But I brought receipts. I want to say, how did the footage who cropped that video they may have received it from somebody else but i brought receipts i want to say how did the footage get cropped kraus on his laptop has format factory and i have the source right here included in my tweet in the image you can see format factory it's kind of hard to see format factory is software that allows you to crop mix transcode video but

crop is highlighted on their website i point point this out. Format Factory is not just transcoding as per their website. It also crops video. This explains why Krause had hand break and Format Factory. Here's the source. It says provides audio and video converter, splitter, mixer, crop, and D logo. Was Krause looking for software that would remove the Fox News graphic D logo and then decided to crop it instead into a strange format. That doesn't make sense. Now, I'm going to pause for a second and say this. At any rate, shouldn't this be called into question? Your Honor, videos aren't recorded in 844P. This video has been tampered with. The video should be, if it's 1920, it should be 1920

by 1080. I'd argue that this has got something cut out and thus should not be used. Now, they might say, too bad the video shows what it shows. But I think right away there's an issue. Let's move on. And I said, now we all know it's a fact. The defense was given a lower res video. This is not disputed, but it seems ADA Krauss got caught as per the transcript. This is a transcript of the moment when the defense realized they were not given the real evidence.

In fact, they were given a low res version. Two things stand out. Binger says this isn't the same quality as our version, is it? Sounds like Binger didn't know. I mean, the dude seems to be rather inept and doesn't know gun safety. But I think from the transcript, he genuinely didn't know. Krause says, no, our version's much clearer. Wisco for the defense says, I got that from you. I have the enhanced one, but that is exactly what we got from you.

We got it from Dropbox. The judge says, so what you're showing me now is this doesn't show anything. This is what was provided to the defense. Richards on the defense says, yes. Binger says, Mr. Stute is on his way. This is their tech guy who's now going to come in and play the high-res version. Wisco says, I don't know. That's what we got from Dropbox, so if your version's clear, that means you didn't give us your version. And Krause says, it's just

playing weird. Holy cow. Wisco says, that's not how it works. If it truly was a mistake, that somehow, this is what they argued, when they sent the video over email, because they sent it over email it somehow changed the name of the file and and compressed it that's not possible that doesn't happen but kraus said it's just playing weird why would he say that it's just

playing weird he offered up an excuse to try and placate everybody who realized somebody was manipulating the evidence that to me is the quote in question. If Krause genuinely didn't know this happened, he would have been like, I don't know why it's doing it. I have no idea what's going on. Or he said nothing. I don't know. Our version seems to be clear. Something must have gone wrong. We'll fix it. I'm sorry. Instead he says, no, no, no, it's just playing weird. Check it out. Not only was the video compressed, the prosecution appears to have provided a cropped version. Now there's a potential explanation for this. In the video compressed, the prosecution appears to have provided a cropped version. Now, there's a potential explanation for this.

In the top video, you can see the car to the left. In the bottom video, you can see there's much more space behind the car. The video is cropped. This could be the result of whoever uploaded this comparison to YouTube, so I don't know for sure. We do know that 480x2x12 is not the same as 1920x844, and both are strange formats. There's also an explanation for how it got derezzed. Some people say that when you put a 1920x844 in email on iPhone, the iPhone will compress it. Now, that may be the case, but there's no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I have more. They say the file name that was given to the fence was different. Okay, now iTunes won't do that.

I'm sorry, not iTunes. iPhone will not iOS. It's smaller file size and a different file name. But what will change a file name? Compression software, which again is on Krause's computer known as Handbrake, which many people have pointed out below Format Factory. Handbrake is transcoding software can render videos easily

to other sizes and formats. Source from Handbrake.fr, they say it's a tool for converting video from nearly any format to a selection of modern, widely supported codecs. The original format 1920 by 1080

somehow got cropped to 1920 by 844. It gets further cropped, renamed and compressed. So there are potentially explanations. I don't have that. That's as far as I go with, you know, presenting my case as far as I can. What I'll basically say is I believe beyond this is probable cause. I believe I have shown probable cause to believe that ADA Krause tampered with evidence to try and cheat and win and

disadvantage the defense and prejudice the jury against the defendant. I don't know if it's definitive. I don't know if he actually did these things. But Handbrake, as many people have described, is in the weeds software. You got to be like to know what that is because it's fairly obscure. Format Factory to have both cropping software and compression software when a video is compressed and cropped, raises a lot of questions. And for Krause to say it's just playing weird was a weird thing to say to try to make excuses. I think we have enough to do this. The process that the judge has said he has implied he wants Krause to go under oath on the stand. Do it. And we'll see what happens. Now, the judge has said there will be a reckoning on this software, on this video, I'm sorry.

But he's going to wait for the jury to come back with their verdict. So we'll see how that plays out. But let me know what you guys think about that rant I just did on all that evidence. And do you agree with me? You did a very good job of compiling, and I'm glad you got the images to show there. My only question is, this is a big case, right? How was none of this checked beforehand? I mean, as a video guy, I'm curious because I was saying earlier, on an image, to see whether it's been doctored or not, you can check to see how many dates of creation it has on it. If it only has one date of creation, that means that was the date it was taken,

and it hasn't been touched since. How did they not look into that? And why did they go to Tucker Carlson and whatever, like screen record or something? I don't know if they got it from Tucker Carlson. Some people have pointed out the video appears to be the same footage that came from Tucker Carlson, but it's cropped. So what I'm simply saying is, this to me seems plausible, but that's why I said

probable cause. Probable cause is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm just saying all this stuff lines up, and he's got these two specific programs for this. I'd like to get him under oath and investigate this. You did a great job, and the fact that you're here talking about this like this is a huge case beforehand wouldn't they ask questions like where did you get this evidence i want to investigate to make

sure that what you're saying lines up with where this imagery comes from this is why is the file format a non-standard format that's and why are you the first one I'm hearing that from? You know what I mean? 844p. I mean, when I saw that right away, I was like, huh? Yeah. Everyone did last night. You know I've been doing video editing since I was like 10 or 11 years old.

I started with Flash 4. So I don't know how old I was. I was a little kid. I've had a computer. I've been doing paintbrush since Windows came out. I've always had a computer. I did Flash. I was doing After Effects. I started making skate videos in After Effects because I'm a a computer. I've been doing paintbrush since Windows came out. I've always had a computer. I did Flash. I was doing After Effects.

I started making skate videos in After Effects because I'm a little kid. I have no idea what he's doing. And then I started getting into other editing software, making skate videos. I've been working in video editing my whole life and computers and all that stuff. I've developed apps. And I saw this and I'm like, that's not a normal thing. Someone sent this and it's clearly a manipulated video. But the defense is not technologically savvy.

Yeah. Right. A good example is when they were trying to explain algorithmic enlargement, and the defense said they use a 3D AI logarithm to produce and generate, and I was like, oh, you guys don't know what they're saying. It's image interpolation. You can simply say, I understand what he was trying to say, but it uses a computer program to predict what the image may look like. It is not an image from the night in question. Very simply, very simply stated. They didn't have a firearms expert. They didn't have

somebody who could speak more clearly to that. I mean, I'm going to go back to saying this is a huge case. How much ineptitude are we seeing here? Because I'm just shocked that everything that you're breaking down here is not something that had been thought of or talked about before. This is a huge case. Like, what's going on here? Someone actually superchatted that I've demonstrated means, motive, and's right yeah i'll look look look sure but you we need an investigation we we need to we need forensic image we need for a forensic analysis on his computer i want to see when he down we know when he had those programs he's had him since january

january 7th he had a handbrake i want people say you can see the last time it was used. Sort of. I want to know when the defenses file was generated. When the 212 video was created. I want to see when the defenses was created. And then I want to look at his computer. I want to get him under oath. They should seize his laptop immediately. How much you want to bet he's already doing a DOD sweep on it?

Purging the hard drive seven times over. Yep. Of course. Wow. Because he probably knows this is coming. Like, by the way, I mean, now we're not talking Krauss. Binger is like hearing his voice. It sounds like you're listening to somebody in junior high.

Right. I already feel like I'm in idiocracy where it's like you don't have to do that good of a job to get by with your job these days. So this is one of the things I noticed as I was growing up was that all of our institutions are like held together by spider webs. Like no one is checking things. Like when I do my work, I try to go back and check everything I've done because I worked in a hospital. And if you don't check things and make sure that your documentation is correct, you can be in huge trouble. You can use your license. The nurse in charge of you can use her license. but apparently this is in this case in this huge freaking trial and i just wanted to say that i feel like we don't owe this prosecution any form of confidence that

they are operating in good faith because they're not even competent so if this super chat is correct i think it backs up exactly what i said some uh so a super chat said why cow has the metadata the video the defense received was created 20 minutes after the original. If genuine, they'd show the same. If it was created 20 minutes after the original, that would imply that Krause was the one who made both. He made the original file that admitted his evidence, and then he made the lower res version to give to the defense

to weaken their ability to argue against it. Mistrial. Because if it was a third party who made both, how would he have two different files and then give the wrong one? That's possible. It's possible somebody made both files, gave both a low res and a high res version. I don't know why they would do that. And then the prosecution had the two files, sent the wrong one over the defense.

Maybe. I was in the military for six years, and I learned that oversight is just built into the system. You have oversight. So, like, I hope nobody's going to claim, oh, okay, this was a mistake. It was an accident. There's got to be oversight so these accidents don't happen. Exactly. I'm really perplexed right now. I'm kind of flabbergasted

I'm going to say it one more time this is a high profile case let's talk about the ramifications of this fake evidence the prosecution won a major victory when they were able to get the judge to instruct the jury on provocation if you believe that Kyle Rittenhouse

provoked the attack then he must have exhausted all means of retreat. Otherwise, it is not self-defense. I think it's something to that effect. And if they didn't have this video footage with that argument about him pointing the weapon, there would have been no provocation instruction. The jury would have been told he was attacked. If you believe he acted in self-defense, acquit. Here's what we got from Newsmax.

And I don't know if this is true, but this is Newsmax reporting. A Newsmax source reports they overheard Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney saying that he believed the jury is at a 6-6 split, Mike Carter reports from the courthouse in Kenosha. It could be a hung jury. We've already heard rumors. Jack Posobiec said he had a source

claiming that there were two holdouts, that he said, you know, 10 people were in agreement, two were holding out. That could mean that 10 wanted to convict. It could mean that two didn't. It could mean that 10 wanted to acquit and two didn't. We don't know for sure. But one thing that's interesting is that the defense made a verbal motion for mistrial,

straight up mistrial. That would mean Rittenhouse would be tried again. We mentioned this the other day. Cernovich said it's an advantage for the defense. They'll get to do this whole thing over knowing exactly what the state has. And here's what people have missed. If everything I said about Kraus and the manipulation of this evidence is true, it'll get thrown out and the state will have no opportunity to present that. Furthermore, if Krause did do something untoward, he could get in serious trouble and the case may actually, something beyond a retrial may happen if it turns out that they did something malicious. It could actually, it might not be with prejudice, but it may actually create a political pressure where they can't retry Kyle Rittenhouse.

So if we're looking at a hung jury and the defense is like, okay, we're going to get a do-over, let's add a verbal motion for mistrial. What people need to know is the judge has both motions to consider. The judge could rule either way. It's just more options for the defense i keep thinking about how the how the jurors are coming in on a bus where they can't see anything but they hear screaming people screaming at them they the people outside know who it's like if you're led into a courthouse blindfolded and people all around you are screaming at you as you're walking in how horrifying and mind twisting that would be and then to have to to decide the fate of basically the people outside as well,

the people that are screaming at you. Well, someone's decision is going to weigh on, if I rule this way, will there be consequences and other people hurt because of the way I rule? So that's also another aspect that we have to consider here when we have these kind of egregious cases. Of people trying to take photos of them. People following them.

The people screaming outside of them. So there's a lot to play into this. But what did the judge rule? Because I know the defense said. Mistrial with prejudice. Then they reached for. Mistrial without prejudice. What was his kind of understanding of this?

Did he decide on it or did he say, I'm going to wait until the jury comes out? The first time the defense made a verbal motion for mistrial with prejudice, the judge said, I'll take it under advisement. And then he basically was like, if there's one more violation, you guys watch yourself. They made a formal filing for a motion uh mistrial with prejudice we didn't hear we didn't hear anything about that from the judge the verbal motion for mistrial the judge basically said i'm gonna wait till the jury comes back with a verdict and we'll see excuse me it goes i'm so i'm really curious here like maybe like anyone's opinion on like what's what's the impact gonna be is is there any way that this can go where the impact of what's happening in Kenosha would be different?

Do you think it's just going to escalate no matter what? Yep. Well, you got the mainstream media putting fuel on the fire. You got the mainstream media screaming, going crazy, trying to make this a race issue when it's not. You got the mainstream media, sorry, corporate media, as Malice would call them, literally fanning the flames here in every instant, just like they did last summer. So with that happening, I mean, people are, like, guaranteeing that something's going to happen. We don't know exactly, but the conditions that created previous civil unrest are there for this current period.

Now, there's different times. We're not going through the summer The summer is usually the hot period where There is a lot of civil unrest but there are Memes going around showing Ron Paul At the Federal Reserve disguising it with A Nike store saying that This is a meme this is not a real image but

It's a meme saying that he hopes that during Rioting season people will target the Federal Reserve and think I love it But so there's already Wasn't there a Babylon Bee article about that or something Like I believe so rioting season, people will target the Federal Reserve and think it's a next story. Wasn't there a Babylon Bee article about that or something? I believe so. Oh no, what have the rioters done? I've seen the meme and I have to share

the meme because it hit home to what's really going on here. But who knows what's going to happen here. The conditions are there. We can only hope and do our best to try to provide a reasonable side of the story, to try to provide

some kind of explanation that will decrease the risk of violence and escalation. But the escalation has been there. It's significant and I think it's only going to get even more significant from here. The judge should have declared a mistrial with prejudice immediately because

what people have been saying and what the judge is saying is, you know, he's going to wait for the verdict. If it's a not guilty verdict, then the rulings are irrelevant. The problem is then the prosecution goes, we got away with it. We tried our best. We cheated to our heart's content, but we didn't win. That means they could do it again now there's also the potential warning that if a guilty verdict you know issue if a guilty verdict does come in the judge could be like mistrial with prejudice blame this blame the prosecutors well yeah there's

a story there's definitely a story no matter which way this swings there's a story to escalate it i feel i think it was katherine austin fits She did some research on the 2020 riots alone, and she said, I may get the numbers wrong, but 35 out of 37 of the main parts of the damage done to infrastructure was done right around, maybe within a quarter or a half mile of a central bank. And her whole theory, like, I mean,

again, this is just her theory, saying that, like, you know, this is just her theory saying that like you know this is exactly where they're going to build up the smart grid you know so i don't know i'm not going to press on that one but i i love when i hear people outside the box investigation being like i'm just going to look at what else there is around all these spots that seem to be unnecessarily damaged what is the smart grid exactly? Well, a smart... So you know the Internet of Things. Well, it's part of their 2030 plan

for all major urban cities to be digitized and to be run through a kind of... Sorry, I cut you off there. But to be run through a kind of centralized grid. It's totally centralized. And it's the device. You know, over in China, I think Robert Spalding was talking about this

in his, I forget what book, Stealth Wars or something like that. But he was saying, like, over in china uh i think robert spaulding was talking about this and his uh i forget what book stealth wars or something like that but he was saying like over in china there's not even the need for the device anymore because there's so many cameras and microphones um that the very next step is you walk out your door and you say uber it acknowledges who you are by your voice or where you're standing and the camera and it it comes by and picks you up, and you're in the device. So the smart grid is definitely what Luke was saying about it's creating the Internet of Things everywhere. And mind you, smart dust was being talked about in 2000 going into pavement,

and it's already there in Denver. That's a big rabbit hole. But also in China, if you jaywalk, they take a photo of you. You don't need to show your identification. You don't need to report to anyone. They take a photo of you, and a fine automatically is deducted from your bank account, and you get a notification on your phone. You've been punished for jaywalking on this street,

and we took this money out of your bank account. That's the smart grid. Smart dust. You're taking us down the rabbit hole. I like this, Ben. Finally, we're getting started hole. I like this, Ben. Finally, we're getting started here. I like this. This is down the rabbit hole

stuff that I think we need to go down into. I'll just say this. Allison McDowell is talking about where we're moving is total gamification. By 6G, everyone will have up to 12 digital twins, so avatars, and all connected to this thing called the Sentient World Simulation,

which is a... If you've seen the last season of Westworld, it's basically a digital mirror of this world, but in real time. And I forget what their prediction was, but when it gets to minority report level, where it can start predicting people's actions, what groups you'll end up in, what stores you'll end up at, when, why, where, those types of things.

Yeah, this is the digitization of everything. This is Mark Zuckerberg's metaverse, but in real life. And this is how they're going to do it. You're going to be in the pod, eating the bugs, living in the society, society where they will track, trace, and database every aspect of your existence to the nanoparticle of smart, intelligent dust and microchip particles that will be in charge of controlling every aspect of your human existence. Colonization all the way down to our biology. Just look up International Barcode of Life and see who some of the main donors to that.

Thank you, Mr. Gates. Yeah, Mr. Bill Gates. I was just going to say, Gates, just gonna say gates gates so hold on so this is a big segue right we're talking about a potential hung jury in a criminal trial and now we're talking about coincidence sorry i just got off you guys you guys just like blasted off yeah but but but but i have a question i mean are you saying that you think that the riots and all the destruction we've seen is somehow tied to i'll just put it simply i mean i think it's fair to say, an attempt to gain more control politically over people's lives? And I think if you walk back from the smart dust stuff, you know, the stuff that gets kind of freaky for people to understand, and you said something like, you know, why is the police stand down in a lot of the riots? Why is it that the media promotes them?

Why did Kamala Harris fundraise for them? The violence scares people and triggers a response where they say, give us more money to keep you safe. Yeah, you know, like, I'm just theorizing here. I've been looking into this. I think last time we talked about Agenda 2020, Agenda 2030,

and everything like that. I personally feel like you've talked about Davos, you've talked about World Economic Forum. The whole idea is moving from stakeholder capitalism to shareholder, or maybe it's the other way around, shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism. You need an excuse to radically, not just homogenize world economies and bring them all together under one,

but you need an excuse, a public-facing excuse. So to me, and this is yet again another thing that um katherine austin fitz says is like invisible threats are great you can like call terrorism for one and you can't tell who's the terrorist you know it could be anyone it could be your neighbor be very suspicious of your neighbors type of thing. COVID. Well, exactly. And so the idea about it is like, again, this is just a theory, but like I definitely feel that Davos wants to succeed in this great reset. And so the forward facing like what's the excuse? How do we tell the future generations why this whole thing went down?

I'm not saying that like what's happening right now is fake, and I'm not saying that anything along those lines, but opportunizing this whole thing. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Exactly. And so to me, I absolutely feel that this needs to be spun in this direction. And I'll just take it back to what I said about the Kyle Rittenhouse case and why it's so iconic is because it's a, it's a man, a 17 year old with a rifle at, in front of small businesses, which are being, I mean, I think I saw a woman today saying, I run a shop in Kenosha. 50% of shops have been shut down. Small businesses shut down. They never reopened. A lot of them are moving out of the area.

There's something happening. If you like to call it all a coincidence, that's fine. I personally don't mind taking several leaps of faith in order to at least think of what it could be, what could be happening, because you'll never get the full story. You know, I don't like the big conspiracy stuff. I think it gets too grandiose, and it makes too too many assumptions and i think there's actually some evidence to

suggest this is definition never let a good crisis go to waste and that is when the covet stuff first started you were not allowed to talk about it on social media it was the craziest thing when the first news came out out of wuhan of the weird stuff i made some videos on youtube youtube didn't notice didn't care but then there was this period where they were like you cannot talk about this you'll be demonetized and they are exerting pressure on channels that were actually saying hey there's an outbreak i think initially that the establishment was like this is panic stuff we don't want anyone talking about this and then once it hit and the establishment politicians are like wait wait wait wait wait wait we can use this we can use the crisis 15 days becomes two years then all of a sudden youtube's like actually we're

gonna allow you to start talking about it and then truth be told when the more and more videos start popping up about it the fear spreads and it allows a lot more uh corrupt politicians and powerful CEOs, big pharma corporations to be like, now's our chance to use fear to gain power. I mean, there's different realms of thinking here, but there's a lot of setup here, especially by individuals like Bill Gates that wasn't just funneling money into the mainstream media. He gave hundreds of billions of dollars to the mainstream media.

That buys a lot of influence. There's smart people who know what's going on. It's so annoying to do the cliche, Bill Gates. No, no, no. It's important to mention here because this is a man that has far more influence than we even know about. And we already know. Hundreds of millions of dollars to the mainstream media. A new report just came out.

Give me some evidence other than the guy says stupid things to the press. He doesn't say stupid things to the press. He buys off the press. He doesn't say stupid things to the press. He buys off the press. He gave them $319 million to media outlets like CNN, NBC, NPR, The Atlantic, the BBC, The Guardian. All are on his payroll. All are on his paycheck. What does that mean? And we talk about the way that he positions himself in society, especially with things like the vaccine industry. Explain to me beyond, I saw a guy do a bunch of things that make me question him

look i don't like the guy i think he's got weird weird views on the world i don't trust him i think he's a bad person i look at his history and how he started my microsoft and how he he moved through silicon valley much like steve jobs also not a good guy but the problem i have with this like here's a guy who did a thing it's like, what's happening in the world right now involves thousands of people. We can talk about Donald Trump's role in 15 days to slow the spread, but I don't think Trump was a big player in the fact that what was going on. I think he got swept up in it. We could talk

about Joe Biden's attempted a vaccine mandate we could struck down and then everyone's like, but but but, you know, Bill Gates, but Biden's not there. Biden is not a human being who's paid, who's not even consciously there. There's other people behind him. There's special interests behind him. There's major corporations behind him.

There's globalists behind him. And we can talk about how Pfizer has been dumping money into these companies, into the media outlets. Sponsored by? Sponsored by. Pfizer. Getting no liability contracts. Then why shouldn't we talk about them? They're huge influence players.

They're big players. There's puppets and there's players. I want to talk about the players, not the puppets they've always done this the coke brothers are doing this and george soros is doing that bill gates is doing this not they are you want me to give you a list of the 2 000 billionaires who are all doing this look i get it it's frustrating for me because people talk about bill gates in some superficial manner like did you know that he gave money to the media what does that mean tell me Tell me what that means. I know he owns influence. The dude has had influence for decades.

They all do. This one story does not say anything about the fact that we have corruption. It's one story after another story after another story. The man is literally trying to control the weather. It's his obsession. He's making GMO mosquitoes. You're obsessed. No, I'm not.

No, I'm not. Absolutely not. You can name George Soros and the DAs he's been funding. This is why... Exactly. And why shouldn't you? What frustrates me here is you get a story from June 2021 where BARDA, which is a bioresearch lab in the US, I believe through HHS, gets a weaponized smallpox drug approved. I believe it was approved, but I could be wrong about this.

Bill Gates comes out and says, I'm worried about weaponized smallpox. And all of a sudden, the conspiracy realm lights up saying Bill Gates is doing whatever. And it's like, dude, he read the news. That's not what we said. I never said anything about that. I didn't say you did. I'm saying the issue I take is. Yeah, there's other people that take it too far.

Of course. And so the issue I take is like i've just had so many conversations about the obsession over bill gates yeah i think it's a it's a red herring to go after the individuals because like if you have a corrupt king that's terrorizing his subjects you want to remove that king you're going to get another king and he may or may not terrorize what you want to do is disrupt the monarchy and change the system so that there is no possibility for you mean replace the puppets so the puppets look all different and it's a red puppet and a blue puppet yeah avoid that and i

want to get the puppeteer you want to fix the system so that one guy can't become a multi-trillionaire listen maybe here's the problem right now we have a culture and culture is more powerful than politics and law. As I've mentioned numerous times, the easiest way to explain it is there's wacky laws in Massachusetts. You know, they have a law from the 1600s. You can't put a pie in your windowsill on Sunday afternoon because it attracts bears. And now no cop will enforce that. So when you get 100 million people and you're standing before them and they say tell us what's happening you say

this bill gates guy spent money in the press they go what am i supposed to do with that i wouldn't say that no stop or you say do not let the government put their boot on your neck do not let them mandate medical procedures influence the culture i have never never i i don't like i don't like doing these bits where it's like did you know know person X did X or did Y? You have all of these YouTubers who make videos about people, people, people, people, people, people, and then regular people who are standing at ready saying, I want the world to be a better place for my kids. I want to make sure I have my freedoms and my liberties. What should I do? You should be met at Bill Gates. And they go, OK, I won't fight in any meaningful way for principles. I won't focus on what's happening in my community.

I won't vote locally. I'll complain about Bill Gates. Then those people go out to rallies and they hold a big sign saying Bill Gates. And then when regular people show up, they go, look at the crazy people. Look at the crazy people. So this is what frustrates me. Whenever it comes to the vaccine stuff, everyone's like, let's have a debate over science. And we're not scientists.

And I'm like, why? Why? When we can just say we are advocates for freedom. we are american citizens who know the history of this country and the founding fathers who said we demand freedom and respect and tell the people instead of trying to pretend to be a scientist who's going to argue about medical efficacy we can just say i reject your attempts to mandate a medical procedure on me the two are not exclusive you could have both and i don't just obsessively talk about bill gates i talk about him i talk about all the other very influential people who are doing that but i also talk about solutions i also talk about personal responsibility i also

talk about the need for you to wake up from this trauma-based mind control and psychosis that people are going through by watching the mainstream media by watching what bill gates funds by watching what all these other individuals find nobody in order trick you and lie. I think they do. I disagree with you. I absolutely disagree with you. No, I don't think I do. Because if people actually do find out the reality of the true existence of this world, which many of them are right now, many people are waking up.

When people see the true reality of it, they start understanding the players behind the scenes here. Then they could start implementing policies where they're not victimized by these players and their games that they play on the rest of the population. We don't win. We don't get towards a convention of states, assuming that's what we want. We don't get towards

a populist uprising because a bunch of people went outside complaining about Bill Gates. I'm not saying complain about Bill Gates. I'm saying understand the problem and be able to diagnose it correctly without playing their games of, here's a puppet. Vote for this puppet. This puppet's going to make things better. No, no, no.

There's bigger players behind the scenes. And the issue is, if you understand, hold on, I'm not done yet. Your billionaire changes every week. I let you talk, right? Your billionaire changes every week. It's pointless.

I disagree. We go through the months and months of George Soros is the guy funding the DAs. Yeah, that's important. We are not seeing parents rise up and revolt because they found out about Bill Gates. We're seeing their children and their families being affected. They're seeing their culture be destroyed.

And it's so common. Who's doing that? Who's responsible? Who's doing all this bad stuff to them? It doesn't matter. It does. I think it's a result of the system. If you have a technocracy, removing one technocrat, another one will fill the void.

So we want to figure out a system. That's a politician, Ian. Same with politics. Same with their politics. You remove one president and another one. Not the echelons because there is an inner circle. That inner circle deserves to be addressed. We have different approaches. I think it's important along with going after the solutions, along with understanding the full problem that we're seeing in front of us to be able to fully deal with the problem, you've got to fully understand it.

You can't just be looking at the consequences. You can't just be going after the side effects, okay? And the challenge we have is that none of this is relevant because what matters is culture. Culture building, politics is downstream from culture. And a bunch of people who have said, I've identified a source of the problem, and I believe it's Bill Gates, are going to convince no one and change nothing. The truth matters. But you know what?

But you know what? People want a symbol for their oppression. So they isolate an individual. For a long time, it was George Soros, and it still is. Now Bill Gates is filling that role. Every single story, every quote, every comment is brought up. And I'm just wondering, like, are we having a debate about this one guy we don't like? Are we going to talk about how we're going to influence the culture

so that these laws can't exist? Well the culture is downstream from the technology that's basically functioning as a gatekeeping system allowing what culture is seen where and then you've got to say who built that centralized technology and Bill did build some of it but a lot of people have built a lot of central and are in the process of

building centralized technology system. I think Allison McDowell is really a fascinating human being. Well, I would love to know. So like some of these solutions, like I agree with what you're saying. When we – especially when we point at certain people, I would love to hear some of what you think would actually be solutions for people in mass families or whatever, like at home, in the home solutions, and do any of

them have to do with DMT? DMT is a personal decision that individuals should do their own research, their own homework on. We're all on DMT, by the way. Yes, of course. We all go through it when we dream every single night. That's something that should be up to the individual to look up to.

But again, I think understanding exactly what's going on is the first step towards dealing with the problem. Obviously, we have a very sick society. Obviously, we have a very corrupted society. Understanding how it's corrupted, who it's corrupted by, and how we cannot be corrupted by it, I think is the first step. Whether it's the school, the indoctrination centers, whether it's the medical centers that keep charging people $30 for an aspirin, that

rob people of their wealth and health, whether it's the banking system, whether it's all the systems that are thrown and shoved down our throats every single day that are scams, Ponzi schemes against the American people. When we are victims to it, when we are blind to it, we give all of our power to these individuals. And I'm saying these individuals are doing all this.

I think that's an essential part to break it all down and to say, hey, you know what? Maybe I won't vote with my dollar at this particular business. Maybe I won't put my child in an indoctrination center. Maybe I will look into homeschooling. Maybe I won't depend on all my food from the Amazon or a Walmart. Maybe I'll start looking into farming. Maybe I'll start building a community of people

that I could actually have a support system around me. And I think just acknowledging like, hey, there's some big bad people out there. Some of them are sociopaths. Understanding that reality and not blaming everything on generalized topics like culture. Culture is absolutely important. But you build that culture from a sense of reality, not from a sense of, I just want this.

Let me go get this. This is why, you know, the freedom. I used to work for a bunch of nonprofits. I used to fundraise for Greenpeace. This was about for a month and a half. I worked for a couple a bunch of nonprofits. I used to fundraise for Greenpeace. This was about for a month and a half. I worked for a couple really big national nonprofits. And I was a nation's best fundraiser. I was able to walk up to a random person on the street,

make them hand over their credit card to me in 30 seconds. This is what the job is. You've seen them on the street. They say, hey, come over here and talk to me. And I will tell you the one thing that never convinces anybody is blaming a person they don't know. They're confused by it. How does that affect me?

Who is this guy? What does he do? What does this mean? Bill Gates has bought influence in the media. He's manipulative. He has these weird ideas. And he's not a doctor. And they say, that's weird.

What does he do? I don't understand. In order to give someone enough information to understand why Bill Gates is a bad person and why George Soros is a bad person and why these other billionaires, because there are many and many, many of them, is a bad person, you'd have to put them in a school for years to really break down all this stuff. I disagree. And so what you end up having is you have a bunch of people who've been in this world

for a really, really long time. They know and they can easily recall the history of how Microsoft came to be, how they got their first deals. They went and they bought it. The arguments between Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, the things he did, they were very, very just dirty individuals. And I mean, like, just willing to exploit and rip off and corrupt. And we know these things. But then there's a guy who's a truck driver. And you go to him and you say, all of your problems stem from Bill Gates is a billionaire who does these things. And he's going to be like, look, guy, I have no idea how that's going to give

me any information I need to get my kids food. But then we can bring it back to their world. We can speak to them on their terms and things they understand and say, hey, should you be forced to do X, Y, or Z by your government? And they'll say no. And it's like, this is the opening of the door. You say the things that directly affect you that are causing you problems can be solved if you wake up and start paying attention. But what we get a lot of is George Soros, the left has their Koch brothers. The left has their Mercers. And I've been in these activist groups and I've seen just how ineffective it is to to say a word that means nothing to somebody, a name that means nothing to somebody, but think you're giving some great revelation. Joe Rogan just pointed out to Alex Jones when he was on the show on Tuesday that Alex has the problem of knowing. And so when he tries explaining to people and he says really

like things that are so out there they don't understand, it actually makes them push away from you. You cannot walk up to a person who's never experienced and who doesn't understand the nitty gritty of what's going on, immediately jump, crank up the dial to 11 and think they'll listen to you. We're not doing that. We're not jumping up to random people. We're having a talk show where we delve deep into complicated topics. The reason people listen to us is because it's an honest, real conversation that isn't afraid just to be on the surface level. We go deep down, and I think this is why this podcast is so special, because we could do that. And I disagree with your characterization.

We're not talking to random people on the street here. We're talking to an informed public that is paying attention. And I don't think everything that happens in this world is a coincidence. I do think there's bad people out there. I do believe there is going to be really bad things that are going to continue to happen unless people

realize that these people are actually doing it. And I think that's also a part of the solution as well as taking personal responsibility for yourself as a human being. And that's also a part of the solution as well as taking personal responsibility for yourself as a human being and that's something i preach from the very beginning be informed of what's going on don't be a victim of these people move away from them and support systems and structures and businesses that align with your principles with your morality and what you believe deep down in yourself when i think of like this whole system and like how we fix i think of

it kind of a game theory and military theory i think of like band of brothers taking a bunker when you have a target or when you're focusing on like who did that like let's say you're talking about bill gates or whatever you don't want to like yell out hey bill and like go directly at him because that's then you become an easy target you kind of want to to flank the the target and like confuse the target and like i really and ultimately persuade that i mean ultimately we're not at war with each other we're we're on the same team trying to help society we just have different methods so you want to kind of convince the target and i think what luke is doing is looking through a telescope backwards because when you start with the people and not with the ideas, people don't understand what you're trying to say.

When you tell them, when you come up, when you tell people about this idea and you say something like, and I really think that Bill Gates is a symptom of this, they may understand it better because that idea affects them directly. Centralization affects people who drive trucks. It affects people who work at small businesses.

And this is something that they will understand much better than saying, George Soros is our enemy. It doesn't matter what George Soros is doing. I'm just trying to drive a truck and keep my family in one place. People want a symbol of something that they, they want a symbol to represent what they believe oppresses them or causes them problems and harm. And for a lot of people, it's very easy to just name a person.

The thing about Bill Gates, he's a bad guy. He's a pretty, pretty bad guy. He does a lot of bad things, a lot of bad ideas. He's, in my opinion, a sociopath. But we're not talking about the other thousand billionaires

that do the exact same thing. And this is the issue I take with it. It would be impossible for us to actually go through the huge list of all of these powerful global elites of old money and new money of arrogance and ego of um ill repute people who who are callous utilitarians who believe in that some some people can be sacrificed who are willing to commit atrocities people like fauci for instance i mean this guy is is dark the stuff he's been funding, the lies he said,

these are people who just don't care, and there are so many of them. But it can change. If people are told very simply, like simple ways to improve their lives, to give them information about basic things that are going on, and you open the door and allow them to walk through it. You don't run up to them, jump, drop, kick them, and smash them through the window and try and push them outside because they'll freak out. So when it comes to promoting a cause and trying to convince people to, say, sign up for a nonprofit, become a member, or something they've never heard of,

the one thing I would always do when it came to, you know, how do I convince someone to want to save the forest? You have to make it relatable and start with something they understand because, in my opinion, it's disrespectful to demand someone know something they've never heard of. So if you approach it with, here's the guy, here's the bad guy, he's the villain, and then people, like I said, go out with signs saying the villain, everyone else looks at that and says, that is meaningless to me. I disagree with your characterizations with Linda and yours as well, because I think saying, hey, don't talk about this, don't talk about this isn't going to help anything in the long run. And if you've looked at what I've been talking about for a very long time, if you want to look for the person that's responsible for all your woes, for all your problems, you have to look in the mirror. And once you look in the mirror, you start understanding the personal responsibility that you have within yourself to understand what's going on

and not fall for the traps. I think it's important to understand the traps as much as it is the people who lay the traps. And I think if we understand how people lay the traps, why they lay the traps, what traps are out there, I think that's something that we should not be afraid to talk about. I think that's something that intrigues people. I think that's what people want to know. People want to see about this, want to see all this different information about this. And it's not a telescope where we're looking the opposite way.

I would say you're in a dark room just bumping your head, walking around, not knowing what's going on. You're going to continue bumping your head until you try to shine some kind of light on it and on the insects or whatever is hitting your head so it stops hitting your head. So that's my perspective. That's my point of view. Personal responsibility is something I have always preached. That's why I created We Are Change. It's about being the change that you want to see in the world. Not just blaming somebody else, calling them the boogeyman.

I agree with some elements and I even addressed this before in previous videos where I said, hey, we shouldn't maybe even be calling these guys the elites because we're giving them all of our power we shouldn't be giving them all of our power because we have the power and only our ignorance fuels them and gives them all of our power so i think waking up to the really bad people it's not just you know all these other billionaires they're not creating gmo mosquitoes they're not creating technology that's going to be embedded microchipped in people that's going to control their fertility. Why are you pointing at me? I'm pointing at you. Ian's been doing it all along.

Stop. Bill Gates works for Ian. There's different levels. They're not hanging out with people like Jeffrey Epstein and all these other individuals. There's the other level of depravity of psychopath evil behavior that deserves to be called out so real quick the release of the GMO mosquitoes that was in Florida right

a company or a lab had to do that work which means there has to be employees there has to be people there has to be research there has to be funding funding probably came you know I assume you're saying it came from Bill Gates can you name the other people involved in that project I could probably I don't want to talk out of my butt. I'll have to research it and get you the particular facts on it. But when it comes to the scientific community,

there's a thing called the Bill Chill that freezes a lot of people in the scientific community from even criticizing Bill Gates on a lot of his projects because of the large amounts of investment that he has in this entire industry through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. How do you stop someone from working for a company that would do something like make genetically modified mosquitoes to be released or something? You put them in a dark room for seven days. Oh, my gosh. Is that work?

Until they start producing endogenous DMT and they realize the error of their ways. I'm sorry. I had to segue there. I think in the past, you know, certain, you know, Jordan Peterson talked about enforced monogamy and it triggered a bunch of people who thought he meant like the police would come and make women get married to like incels or something. But what he meant was, I could be getting this wrong, but my understanding is that society as a whole culturally was like, this is what is normal. And there are a lot of things that are enforced, not through law, but through culture and society that people society that people would say, like, I can't do that. We used to have it. We've lost it to a great deal because I guess you could argue multiculturalism in the definition used by the right, that you have a bunch of different groups that don't view each other as part of

the community. And so they don't actually feel like they're committing a wrong against someone that matters. We see this with activists. We see it with police. You know, the Antifa people would always say snitches get stitches. And so if somebody within like Occupy Wall Street, for instance, would commit a serious crime, they'd be like, don't report it to the police. Snitches get stitches. Basically saying we feel no remorse and no harm. We feel no remorse. We regret nothing if we allow this person who wronged us to go free or to wrong someone to go free. There was a few people who were, I'll just say, raped in Occupy Wall Street. And the occupiers warned everybody, we'll beat you up if you tell the cops this happened.

See, when you have a cohesive community and people have scruples, they would feel within their heart like, I can't do that because it's just wrong to do it to somebody else but when you have people willing to work for these companies where they say things like i don't care that other people are being harmed by this you get like we were talking about a bit like the banality of evil uh some some commonplace thing where people are just willing to do it so my view of a lot of this is if um if you tried bribing a cop what's the likelihood he would take the bribe in the united states right highly unlikely the reality is what state depends what the bribe is but but for real for the most part it is relatively unlikely you get pulled over the cop walks up and says you were speeding and you say officer here's a thousand bucks to make

it all go away gosh the cop's gonna be like i even step out of the I even... Step out of the car, buddy. He's going to be like, you're under arrest. Yeah. That's scruples. Even if he needed the money. Even if he needed the money. Because he's probably being recorded and everything.

It's $5 in Africa. Exactly. Now, there are some cops who would be like, I am desperate. Let's talk. Because people get desperate. And there's corrupt cops.

They're going to be like, I'll take some free money. Now go to Russia. In Russia, it's implied. The cop pulls you over. You broke the law. You say, what do I owe you? And he goes, you know, give me 20 bucks.

I was talking to Kim.com and he explained to me how he even bribed a cop to pull his friend over so he'd win a race because they're for sale. You see, when you have a culture that believes in each other, believes in morality, has a moral framework, things like what you're describing can't happen. How do we build that moral framework back up? We explain to people our ideals. We explain to them very simple values and principles. We explain to them, here's what's happening right now. You're being negatively impacted by high gas prices.

Okay, well, this is the result of a large political system, and it has a lot to do with how you participate in politics. It's very hard to vote your way out of it, to be completely honest. But, you know, I grew up and I saw a lot of these videos and I saw a lot of these, you know, I've known about Alex Jones for a really, really long time. And I always felt like none of this stuff has been particularly effective in getting people to actually build that culture where they'll say, I am unwilling to commit this act. Instead, where we have now is how Michael Malice described it. Most people are willing to

prefer safety over freedom. So when they come out and they say, we are hereby stripping you of all of your rights, they say, okay. I'll give you a simple example, guns. I could come out here all day and say, Mike Bloomberg is the problem. He's trying to take away your guns. But to a regular person, that's not an argument. To a regular person, they're sitting there saying someone broke into my house and stole all my stuff and beat my wife. And then I say, Michael Bloomberg is the reason. And they'll be like, I don't know what that has to do with. Or I say, hey, have you considered, you know, purchasing a firearm to protect yourself? And then they say, you know, I've never been a big fan. i've been worried and i've heard these things let me give you some basic information on gun culture and understanding so that you can have something to protect yourself

so that you won't be victimized again but hold on then this person goes and buys a gun they experience gun control for the first time they get angry they say hey wait a minute it's my constitutional right then they start spreading those ideas around everybody here's what affected me directly when i when I was wronged. Michael Bloomberg spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get guns banned. Tom Steyer as well. But telling people these names doesn't change the culture, doesn't inspire them to buy

weapons, to exercise their rights, and to protect their families. Why can't you do both? Why do you have to have a blinders at the cause of the problem rather than just focus on the solution? Why can't you do all of that? Because the main critical point that you have of me right now is that I bring up a lot of these other people. So I bring up the Bloombergs in this scenario.

I think you should build the culture and talk about Bloomberg. I think you could do both, and they don't have to be exclusive to each other. I don't think you need blinders and not talk about the root cause of the problem while, of course, pushing the culture, which I think is also also absolutely important you do want to map the system like you were saying if you're in the dark room you don't want to bump your head you need to map it so you know what you need to understand it but um and like what you said earlier tim you don't want to put make villains on a poster everyone's like down with person x because what will happen is all the other villains eventually when it builds up to a point, will throw that guy under the bus.

And then you'll get this sociological, cathartic, faux release, but the system hasn't changed. They just removed one of their own. And I think that's what happened to Jeff Epstein. I think he was part of a big organization, and they threw him under the bus. Yeah. To a certain degree.

Yeah, and I gotta say, for the most part, what I've seen is actionable when it comes to conspiracies and naming big names and stuff like that. What's actionable for most people isn't something that's going to do much for their lives. I think, Luke, you are an exception because you're OK looking into the abyss and looking for solutions as well. A lot of people, when they hear that stuff, they don't feel inspired to look big and to have some kind of grandiose 30,000 foot view of what's happening. They really just want to protect their family. If you think about it now, like evolutionarily, we would look out into nature to see if there was something hunting us. And we would always do that.

Now people do that with news, and they're looking through, and I'm generalizing here, but for the most part, you have the protectors watching news trying to figure out, am I safe, am I in a safe world? We're not looking through the trees trying to figure out if predators are there anymore. So it's ancient architecture we're talking about. So most people with conspiracy, it downgrades their prefrontal cortex and they start going back into the the hindbrain they start getting you know scared

unnecessarily it doesn't do anything for them i think that's the majority of people some people looking at the big looking at at the specific actors like you i think it actually like in the in the film divergent i think it actually turns like in the film Divergent, I think it actually turns you on. So you start realizing, no, I got to look at the deepest and darkest so we can start building back from there. It's really tricky though. When it comes to conspiracy, I think over 90% of it is fluff, much of it intentional fluff, and then only a little bit of it. And I know you had Alex on and you were pulling up articles and stuff like that and seeing that, yeah, some of this stuff really does pan out. For most people, conspiracy does nothing good for them.

So me, I'm more of like an archetypal conspiracy theorist. I know there's some shady shit going on. I know that. But when it comes to really like pointing at who's involved, I'm not going to say that's a tool you shouldn't pull out of the tool belt, but it's probably like a handgun. It's probably like a rifle. You know what I mean? It's for select moments, I really believe, because most people, they can't handle what that means when you say, did you know X, Y, and Z? They're trying to do this to you and your family. They don't know what to do with that.

So they shut down i think well i think it's it's it's confusing to a lot of people to introduce foreign concepts to us you know i have to talk about how when we do when i do news segments i try to be careful um to a certain degree because you don't want to be esoteric there are a lot of people we have on the show and i talked to them and they're like hey you know how do we get the podcast bigger and i was just like just keep in mind that a lot of people who tune in might know something and be concerned about something that's like in the culture in the now in the know and you can talk about the nitty-gritty details they don't understand so i actually i just recorded something with joe rogan i don't know when the episode goes up but um there were a few

points where i was like if i want to make this story quick it's going to be too esoteric for the average person and we'll have to actually break down the terms, the individuals involved. Too much work. So we were talking a lot about the Rittenhouse trial and naming the individuals who were involved. It's all the witnesses. And it's like, who's that? What does that mean? What is this?

So one moment was I mentioned a duty to retreat. And he says, no, no, no, stop. You're glossing over that. What does that mean? Because Joe knows the average person is not going to understand if i talk about this as as an expert i shouldn't say expert but as like someone in the weeds so the challenge is finding that balance there are a group of people that want to know that that don't like the the powerful individuals who are playing these games who are manipulating and influential the issue i take for the most part is I feel like

as I mentioned, you don't actually solve the problem but there will always be powerful individuals. There was this stockbroker guy and I can't remember exactly what happened but he got called out and I think it was during AMC or whatever, it was doing GameStop and he said, you know the crazy thing is when I got into this, I was a little guy

fighting the establishment and today I realize I'm the establishment and I just didn't realize that happened so there will come a point in time where uh say like for this show for instance and the money we spend people are going to be livid furious outraged at what i'm funding on foundation for instance amazing we're trying to create uh i'll give you a good example we're trying to create software to make it so that no one can ever be censored again but But this means really, really bad people with really awful ideas won't be able to be censored. You're going to get a bunch of people being like Tim Pool has been funding these programs to give evil people platforms so they can never be shut out of society.

And they're wrong and they're violent and they're angry and they're evil. And then they'll start focusing on me because they'll come a point where I gain too much influence or power in some capacity. Sometimes evil people take an Uber. You don't blame Uber for it. We're talking about different levels, though. I mean, this is like entry level comparatively to like the hundred billion level. There's a big difference between the two. What I mean to say is just like we need to inspire people to hold true to principles and ideas that they understand very easily.

Because when I would do segments, I'd often say, it's not fair of me to assume you guys have the time to watch the news every day like I do. So if I watch the Rittenhouse live stream all day just glued to it for the court trial, the average person can't do that because they have jobs and they have work. So they say, I want to turn on someone I trust who gonna you know give me what i believe to be the correct information and and will do their best and so i often try to say i will do my best to give you the information because i know you don't have the time to do it that is not to say i think anyone is is stupid no i think that people are looking for a service to be provided and i have to respect the fact that they don't have the time to know everything

but at the same time there's a counter argument to make here because I don't think we should be talking down or talking to people like children I think there are some advanced level people that do want to hear advanced level stuff and sometimes entertaining that I think is good

but I understand you kind of lose people by going too far down the rabbit hole. But I think some of the people do need to go down there just to say, hey, it's pretty interesting down here. You may want to know what's going on. It's kind of like if you guys are like scouts. You know, you're looking like your metaphor, looking in the woods for danger. You're looking at the news and you're looking through and it's like you're both seeing the enemy army coming. And Tim is like, we're being flanked from the left by cavalry, the archers are behind

and watch out for the spearmen in the right and Luke's like, yeah, but you see the king? That's not actually the king. The king's the guy next to him. That guy with the armor is not the king. Princess Amidala was actually the aid. So don't send all your forces to fight and go after this king because it's a fake king and it's a fake illusion and you're going to waste all your time and energy

while the real bad guy gets away and then sets up more horrible traps and more armies against you. But here's my argument. Thank you, Id. I'll put it this way. I'll counterpoint. You've got the feudal lord's palace or whatever, and all of the subjects are standing around, and all

the guards are standing there, and they're all bowing. And then you go up and say, you know, the lord is the problem problem and look at all the bad things he's doing. Or you just go to all the people and say, hey, let's all come together and ignore that. Do this thing. I'm not saying ignore Bill Gates or anything they're doing. What I mean to say is if the confidence is broken by regular people and they just do their thing and believe in their values and principles and focus on on that it's a grassroots effort then all of a sudden the chain breaks and these powerful individuals have no

ability to influence the point i was making is with like the lab in florida wherever they made these mosquitoes because they did this i don't know when they did this but there's this big mosquito release thing just a couple months ago in key west florida they released it let me give you let me give you a better story uh Cassandra Fairbanks wrote about this. There's a Fauci, the NIAID funded maximum pain research on primates. And primates are intelligent. I mean, this is brutal stuff. Who is the person who's willing to conduct this painful research?

Maximum pain. induct this painful research maximum pain these people shouldn't should the ideas they have and the things they're willing to do shouldn't exist in my opinion the people who are raised in this world who come to a point where they say i have no qualms with inflicting maximum pain on primates to see what happens at a certain point we need to be like that's how did you get to that point because it's not bill gates who made him do that now certainly money is an influencer but how do we make sure the moral framework and i'm going to be i'm going to be maybe offensive to all the atheists and secularists i believe that as we begin losing the the christian moral framework you end up with people who don't believe in any kind of moral framework.

And that's what you get from wokeness. You get people who believe that there is no truth but power. These are the kind of people that you eventually see in World War II era Japan, and you end up with the Nazi party, the people who are willing to commit atrocities against others because they don't feel that they have, there's no remorse. If the values are instilled in an individual to respect others, to hold a certain moral framework, and I believe we were all raised in a Christian moral framework. I'm not saying the religion, I'm not religious, but that moral framework has in it the Fifth Amendment, the Sixth Amendment, all of these things. You end up with people who would sit there and they'll say, we'll pay you a million dollars to torture these monkeys. They'll be like,

I will never do that. And then you don't have to worry about these horrifying things. Someone would say, hey, we want you to genetically engineer mosquitoes that are going to go around. Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's too much for me. I'm not going to do that. When you're talking about values, I think you're nailing it on the head. And narrative, like, you know, one thing that holds a country or a tribe or whatever together is a collective myth.

It holds certain values in it. And we have that in our own way. And that's one thing that's kind of breaking down now is our collective myth. And what I feel really causes for that breakdown is dividing not just the family structure but dividing us from one another and putting an intercessor, some kind of intercessor and i think the solution um we talked about this when joe rogan was just on recently he said you know like what what compelled kyle rittenhouse to go there and he said anarchy and chaos in the streets and i like i know that like the word anarchy actually has a little bit deeper meaning to that which i won't go super into, but it's more about localism as well. Like locally controlling certain things and connecting with one another.

And what happens when you go local? I'm not saying this is the answer, but when you have more of a community, a real community, you live your values with one another. You don't have a piece of technology in between you and like oh no i did i couldn't hear those last five words that you just said because the algorithm blocked it you know community real connectedness i think that's something that um is going to uphold our values because i do think that it's the erosion of our values that we're seeing a lot right to be a little obnoxious like like here here we have here we have a bill gates and here we have his mini-me, Dr. Fauci, who's been working and collaborating with him almost every step of the way since COVID started. But that's a separate topic.

The community building is absolutely key. It's absolutely essential because if you don't have a strong group, if you don't have a family, if you don't have core values, you, of course, will be picked apart. You, of course course will be picked apart you of course will be manipulated you of course will be thrown into a situation where you become your very own worst enemy and you will be susceptible to these traps these games that i've been talking about before and and i think a lot of people have been i think a lot of people are suffering a lot of people are not in a good state and i think that's only going to continue not when we just change the culture, but when we address the root cause of everything that's happening here. And we addressed the importance of personal responsibility,

self-education, and making yourself aware of not only the things outside of you, the important people controlling, pushing things, but also the things inside of you and the things that you can make a big difference in when it comes to your own personal choices and decisions you make in your life. Sometimes it's as simple as meditating for 10 minutes, sitting in a room, examining your life and deciding where you want to go as a human being. I think that's a big beginning. You know what's frustrating? I despised

Bill Gates way before it was cool. You know, because I knew a lot about computers and stuff growing up and there's a film called The Pirates of Silicon Valley. I love that film. Yeah. And I'm like, these guys are just bad people. I remember during Occupy Wall Street, they made a shrine for Steve Jobs when he passed.

Yeah. And I was like, what is wrong with you? These people are all authoritarian. But I'll just really simplify. The point I was trying to make is I don't feel like talking about Bill Gates is solution oriented. I understand why people don't like him. I understand he does bad things. And I think it's important that people know why he's a bad dude and the bad things he does.

I especially think it's important to point out that Joe Rogan can give his opinion and the media just attacks him. And then Bill Gates does and they cheer for him when neither are doctors. I would say he gets away with this because he has the cover, because he has no one paying attention to him. He cares what the public thinks about him. That's why he buys the best PR staff to hide all of his Jeffrey Epstein connections, which were far more extensive. If people found out about exactly what he was going on, he wouldn't be able to get away

with more than half of the stuff that he's already getting away with. So he hides under the cover of darkness. And I think that's why shining a light on him would show you a big room with him slapping you upside the head. And once you see someone slapping you upside the head, you know exactly what's going on. And you could actually deal with that particular problem. So that's my perspective, my point of view from this entire kind of saga. It might be wrong. I could admit if I'm wrong sometimes.

I might be wrong. I might be delusional. I might be too. It might be wrong. I could admit if I'm wrong sometimes. I might be wrong. I might be delusional. I might be too much down the rabbit hole. I could admit that as well. So the challenge I see is it's not just Bill Gates. It's not just George Soros. It's underneath that. I mean, Vladimir Putin.

What is he worth? $700 billion, they argue? Like secret money hidden? He's got like the biggest house in the world. I don't know if he's actually worth whatever that is. Maybe it's $70 billion. I don't know. Maybe I was wrong. No, no, world. I don't know if he's actually worth whatever that is. Maybe it's $70 billion. I don't know. Maybe I was wrong.

No, no, no. I'm thinking $700 because... Elon Musk has almost $300 billion. In value. Yeah, so they say... $194 for Bill Gates. They say that Vladimir Putin is like secret money he doesn't want anyone to know about. I certainly don't believe all the stupid Russiagate garbage nonsense.

But you look at all of these countries and they're all playing their influence games. So, yeah, Bill Gates is one of the worst. Bloomberg is one of the worst steyer is one of the worst these people are funneling money and doing a ton of really bad stuff but my view of it is kind of like imagine your house is on fire and there's big raging flames and so you're like the first thing we have to do is go to the electrical socket in the basement where the fire started and tell everyone that's where the fire started. That's not my attitude is kind of like, why don't we get everybody to put the greater fire out and then we go to the source of the fire and disable it, like turn the power off or something like that. Or, you know, you could try and find a way to shut the power off first.

But, you know, where the fire is starting from, it's a fair point to say that I think there's arguments for both our sides on this one. One could be that if there is a leak in a ship and the water is flooding up the ship, and you say, we must bail the water, you're not stopping the fact the water is still filling up. We must flood the hole, yeah. Right, so to Luke's point,

it's like everyone find the hole first, and then we bail the water. Luke's point is, hey, there find the hole first and then we bail the water. Luke's point is, hey, there's a crazy guy putting more holes in the boat right now. There's a crazy guy adding more fuel to the fire right now. And it's going to get really out of hand unless we stop this one guy who started the fire and making the fire that much worse right now as we're speaking. And I'd like to point out that there is another kingdom that is paying people to come put holes in our boat. So let's see if we can fix that.

It's super interesting, though, because even Lydia is back there, and she's got her own ways of viewing it. For me, this is the community. This is just a microcosm of the community. It takes all kinds. Somebody was just on Aubrey Marcus's podcast. It was a rabbi, Mordecai, I think. And he was saying, like, you know, I have no problem with conspiracy theorists because I don't invest myself in what they believe.

I think back, who were they in the tribe? Who do you want the paranoid, always vigilant person in the tribe to be? Watch person. Probably the lookout, right? You know, and they are valuable in that way. And part of what we're talking about with values is we don't have to pretend like people in our community don't get on our nerves and don't trigger us in some ways. But the bottom line is if we can't see any value in what's happening in front of us, then we're missing some kind of lesson or gift in it, which is why it's hard with what's going

on in the country right now. But I'm really taking a look at it. When I look at the conspiratorial lens of what's happening in the world right now, I'm more curious, and my ideas are way out there. Like, first contact happened thousands of years ago. We just don't know what we're looking at. Technology is part of it. You know, I won't even go into explaining it, but what I'm saying by that is I really think that reality is weirder than

most any of us can put into words so the best thing we can do is find some kind of harmony together whatever that actually looks like some kind of harmony together and that does not happen without community coming together under some premise under some story let's go to

super chats but I will also say just for this show, Ian and I argue, and we have very different ideas. Luke and I just argue we have very different ideas. I think that's why, I think a goal of the show is

maybe we get a little too heated. Maybe I should have been more chill about it. No, it's fine. I want more passion, more fire. Let's get it all out. I mean,

these are important conversations that we got to get through somehow. And there's no other way but to kind of go at it. We could be fake to each other. We could pretend to believe like we're somebody that we're not. I'm sick of that bull crap. I'm sick of people talking down to each other and pretending that they're somebody that they're not. This is my point of view. This is yours.

We disagree. Let's go at it. Let's not play patty cake and pretend it was real. It has to be real. And that's what I'm saying about what I go for. I lost a lot of subscribers after the election of Donald Trump, and I said I don't think the fraud narrative is correct. I think it was the shadow campaign narrative. I think they changed the rules, and I'm not going to sit here

and just pretend I believe something hoping my views go up. That's not what I do. And if I get angry, maybe I shouldn't. But, you know, if we have an argument, I think it's a good thing. And then everyone in the comments is allowed to tell me I'm wrong and argue back, and that's why I think this show is good. I would advise reviewing the tape to the point where you think you might have been overboard and just see, because when you see yourself, you'd be like,

yes, I was, or no, I wasn't. It's okay to have natural emotional reactions. If you angry you're angry let it out it's also if you hide it and try to pretend like it's not there it festers and builds up and explodes in another area of your life so it's important to express yourself and assert yourself as a human being and and not play these bullcrap social rules that are just made up and yeah just are nonsensical pretending i mean there's there there's you know being respectful and stuff like that and sometimes people get angry but i really there are a lot of shows there are a lot of commentators that can't you know there's a lot of people on the right that when when a narrative emerges i see them jump right on with whatever narrative makes the

most sense the example today when when the judge said this NBC reporter and this other person, producer, tons of people immediately said this producer did it. And my response was, for all we know, it was Antifa driving, trying to track the jury down, and then just lied and said they were up the press because we've seen that happen before. I think we've got to be very careful not to immediately just jump on bandwagons or just do it for tribal reasons but there are some people with big channels with powerful followings that would absolutely just say whatever they think people want to hear if it if it gets them more and more viewers but i'll tell you this when i came out and argued with luke a bunch of people left well you know what look you're free to leave if you don't like it but i'm not going to sit here and just pretend my feelings are something else in hopes that people stay right you probably evoked something inside them that they weren't ready to handle and that's important to have on a show you know because a lot of people are waiting they're waiting well you know the thing

is is like either one of you might be more right than the other but i think the underlying important factor is that you had the conversation so the greater community could hear two very valid points, and that helps refine their blade of discernment. I think this is far more important than just covering news. I think it's far more important than just covering, this happened in the news today. No, we need to get passionate. We need to get involved, and we need to express our ideas in a non-scripted way

that truly tell the audience who we really are. Because there's nothing narrated here. There's nothing programmed here. It's us having a normal reaction and a normal conversation without any of these kind of paradigms that all these other mainstream media family-friendly show. I can't say what I want to say, but all these other mainstream media hypocrites live by. We don't live by that rule set. We live by a rule set where this is what's on my mind.

It's going to get out. I don't care who it hurts or offends. Superchats! Let's see what you guys have to say. Smash that like button if you still like the show. Of course you do. Thanks so much for watching everybody and supporting our work. Let's see what we got here. Oh man, YouTube has started deleting Superchats? What? You know,

YouTube, when you get too many they they start purging the back end. And that's really, usually it happens only when we get like a ridiculous amount of superchats. I didn't think we got that many. All right. Sorry, man. All right. So we got Z Michael. He says the source of that footage is a front with a glowing neon sign who airdropped the file anonymously to the police.

Sounds like people who live in parallel i'm not i'm not sure what that means interesting so it was an anonymous drop of okay interesting i don't know so we we do have this story we're going to talk about this a member segment this is crazy um we were going to talk about it but i think we got a bit philosophical um roberto laura says tim 800 okay guardsmen are not vaxxed this is insane i want to joke and say that if the pentagon orders to remove those who choose not to comply with the pentagon just created 800 uh kyle's a dark winter is coming i think the pentagon actually said you will not be in compliance the national guard and thus you will just be a state militia oh okay yeah that's crazy

your terms are acceptable but we're going to get into that too because we got some crazy uh data coming out of the uk that um we're going to talk about the members only segment so go to timcast.com sign up that'll be coming up around 11 or so p.m let's read some more super chats all right let's see amanda what is it dilt it's harder to read because we have smaller monitors here well actually i could probably just look up actually that's ways with the bigger TV. What am I doing? All right.

Amanda Dilt says Hernandez video leading up Rosenbaum shows Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse, drops extinguisher and runs through lot. Not once pointing gun at anybody. Not only that, something came out where the jury said, can we get the video of Rittenhouse putting down the fire extinguisher? And I think it was it might have been Viva Frye who said this. That's the language of the prosecution, which is indicative of the perspective of the jurors.

Yeah, because the defense did not say he put down a fire extinguisher. I think they said dropped. So in one instance, dropping it means he's running and he drops it. In the other instance, he stops, puts it down, aims a weapon. Yep. All right. I don't know. Rich Legge says,

do you think the prosecution will be charged or is nothing going to happen again? Man, I hate to say it, but I think nothing's going to happen, right? Like, the judge won't. Might be a while. But if the judge puts the prosecutor on the stand, I would be so happy.

That'd be cool. I've never seen anything like this. It's an eclipse tonight, so I'm ready for anything tomorrow. Yes. Is it a total eclipse? I don't know. It's not a total eclipse.

It's the longest partial lunar eclipse. I don't know longest and what period. I don't know. I saw it on the news. The Economist said, Should protesting near a courthouse be illegal because it affects jurors? Yes. How can we keep jurors safe?

I'm loving TimCast IRL Van Life edition. I don't think so. I think we have a right to express ourselves, especially in front of government institutions. But that does mean that bad people will do bad things and it's going to freak the jury out and then you end up with these bad cases. The greater issue is the culture as it is.

The right is unwilling to engage in violence the way the left is. So the jurors know the fear is not acquittal. I'm sorry, the fear is not conviction. It's acquittal. If the jurors convict, they know the right will grumble. If they acquit, they know they'll be threatened with their lives because the has basically been invented and how culture can be so rapidly formed and dissolved and altered by like a meme. And then that controls the politics of the world.

Like a million people, like how people can protest and be like, hey, tomorrow be at this place at this time and a hundred million people or a million people or 10,000 people is like, what the? How do we how do we protect jurors in this world? How do we? It's a mass mobilization is a crazy thing. The founding fathers did not have to deal with. Yeah. This one's a really important ones. Spidge Bandersnatch says, Tim, quote, no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

What happened to Hanlon's razor? Ah, I will tell you. Hanlon's razor, of course, is never a tribute to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence. My favorite. However, in this instance, I cited, I think, three examples of MSNBC manipulating the news. So then when you find out an MSNBC employee was tracking the jury van, and we know the judge already said this can't happen, it won't happen again, there's

no attribute to incompetence there. That's, you're, then you're just, you know, being a fool. And then, as it pertains to the prosecution, they committed several grave constitutional violations. So at that point, we stop giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're just bad at their job. We say,'ve done it to you fool me one shame on you fool me

twice shame on me fool me three times you're not gonna fool me a third time yeah yeah all right what do we got james nelson says that video appeared friday right before prosecutors close uh close from an anonymous person The crop compressed screams manufactured evidence Hail Mary. I agree. And it just so happens that Krauss has two programs on his computer to do such a thing. And they're very specific programs. If he had Adobe Premiere, I wouldn't have batted an eye.

I'd have been like, eh, it's Premiere, man. It's like basic editing software. But he has like the cropping and the compression software. Was the footage on Fox? Like actually on TV? Yeah, Tucker Carlson. So anyone could have snagged it off of the TV and then, like,

so saying it's anonymous is kind of weird. Like, anybody could have done that. I should have sent in evidence because it probably would have appeared in trial. I mean, that's how much oversight I'm seeing here. Brandon Taylor says, the defense's tech lady said the lower resolution version was created

21 minutes and 19 seconds after the larger file they received was created. So I just don't see a reality in which the defense is like, we're given two files anonymously. I'll send only one because that would imply that they were supposed to send both. The prosecution. Right, prosecution. The prosecution, if they got two video files, would send both of them. Yes, definitely. But they didn't. Absolutely. They sent one with a different name that was compressed so people

are like if he sent it over iphone email it would compress it but it wouldn't change the name right no yeah there's not enough transparency here something is crazy here we go this is good tony uh nalagan says handbrake is an activity log file in ghb directory that recorded the file names of the source output file and time stamps under oath subpoena seize the laptop yes but you know what they're not gonna do it right and you know why because the judge doesn't know because because the judge had a secret meeting with bill gates and george while doing they're all doing DMT. Now it's starting to make sense. The judge doesn't know.

Now it checks out. The judge said, I don't understand, he's in his 70s. Yeah. And the defense doesn't know either. Yo, why isn't defense like watching these shows?

It's not just me. Like, Ricado Law went over this stuff. They've had massive live streams about this. It's weird when younger people commenting on it know far more and probably could have done a better job. I mean, that's a big stretch.

But, I mean, it really does seem like there was a lot of lax decision-making going on. How old were the Founding Fathers? Like 28, 26? It was a wide range. They weren't 70. They weren't 78 years old. Ben Franklin was the oldest. Well, one of the oldest.

He was like in his 50s, right? I don't know. I think Ben Franklin was the oldest. Well, one of the oldest. He was like in his 50s, right? I don't know. This is interesting. Andy F says Krause claimed the detective sent him two versions and the second version was messed up. He gave some reason the detective did it, but I can't remember what it was. So, if the file was created 21 minutes after the video

they got, then the detective created both? There's no scenario in which it makes sense that an anonymous source sent two files then the detective created both there's no scenario in which it makes sense that an anonymous source sent two files to the detective created within 21 minutes of each other and then the detective sent both one was messed up and then the prosecution just failed to deliver the high-res version for any reason none of this adds up let's just let's just play devil's advocate kraus got two versions well then he withheld evidence

because he should have sent both yeah that alone the evidence has to be recalled I would imagine and he didn't so if that's the case mistrial with prejudice there's levels of ineptitude if you're looking for malice and ineptitude you have to think what kind of an attorney

is this? And would he not have thought of sending both of them? Like how much ineptitude do you have to go to before you start realizing some of it is malintent? I'm going to make a prediction. J.N. says possibility of verdict coming on Friday. So on the weekend, things people go off. Media cookies.

Could be. Here's my prediction. Tomorrow, mistrial with prejudice. Okay. Okay. Place your bets. You know why? That will create the maximum impact on the riots.

The judge has to know, though. Waiting till Friday. The judge said last week he didn't want to go another week. He wanted to start a new trial on Monday. And he's like, why don't we do closing on Friday? And they were like, no, we should do closing on Monday. And I think both the state and the defense were like, you know, we should not. But that would have only triggered deliberations on Monday, I suppose.

So maybe that wasn't a factor. They wait until Friday. Is the judge going to want to carry on? Or is he going to say it's been three days? If the jury is hung, then we'll make a decision on mistrial. If he declares a mistrial, there may be some riots, but probably not. If he declares a mistrial with prejudice, which he has very good reason to do, they will light that city up.

Poor Kenosha. Yeah, but poor everywhere else. It's not just going to be Kenosha. You're right. New York City, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Chicago. So I'll tell you this. We got the mobile RV here, the studio. Is the crew going to be able to drive it back if riots erupt over the weekend?

Hopefully. Probably. It's Texas to the East Coast. They're not really driving through any big crazy cities or anything like that. But mistrial with prejudice, I think if the judge says mistrial with prejudice, I think we may actually get George Floyd level rights. Wow. Go again. I'm just saying I think it's possible.

I'm not saying it's definitive. And the reason is just it would send a message to the left that the judge is everything they feared. And he knows Rittenhouse is guilty, but he's going to let him go. And that's going to be their narrative. And they're going to be like, it's worse. It's worse than we realized. It is the system is so corrupt they will let them walk free and then they'll be like

shut it down that'll be the narrative that's right I'd like to see that personally I don't know if I can bet on it but it seems like that's what has happened a mistrial should be called with prejudice yeah like immediately too I think yeah it should have been done first thing this week

over the... They filed on the 15th. The judge knew the evidence was not delivered. He knew they're deliberating on tampered evidence. That's crazy to me. So the judge has to be ready for a mistrial with prejudice. Do it on a Tuesday. Yeah, middle of the week.

Do it on a Friday. At least it's colder outside, I guess. Yeah, that's true. But L.A. Yeah. What's the weather this weekend? That has something to do with it. Little Tails Farms says, hey, Tim, Jack Posobiec just said on Telegram that Kyle's defense lawyer says he believes

it's a 6-6 deadlock with a jury just now. I've seen that. How would they know that? Is it by eyeballing the jury when they're sitting there? I don't know. That's a good good point how would the defense know exactly inside source oh it could be based on the uh the memos coming out asking the judge he was looking at the memos yeah a lot of people pointed this out all right rion uh rion and taka says you're right tim those programs are for specific purposes no reason to have them otherwise they're playing to the judge's tech

ignorance praying he sees through it and nukes them for it disgusting there is an argument they want a mistrial but without prejudice or if binger really is the the cult member ideologue some people have accused him of being he purposely wants to sabotage trigger a mistrial with prejudice to make now they should make a movie about that change Change the names. I've wondered whether it was like intentionally stupid. Like, you know, the way he was going about it seemed intentionally stupid. And I almost wondered what's the angle of the judge to, what did he say? Like, I don't believe you. I don't believe you're acting in good faith.

But I'm going to allow it is basically, you know what happened. So, I mean, he, he's probably, I hope he's a little bit more hip and he's letting something play out. What was it in the art of war said when your enemies making a mistake, don't interrupt them. I'm hoping that's it.

Yeah, I hope so. So, uh, Slender says mistrial without prejudice is bad for defense. It's like taking off your shoes at tsa doesn't protect you from the next bad uh for the next thing bad actors do but this will dramatically alter their use of the video evidence and the drone stuff it'll call everything kraus did into

question if there's a mistrial without prejudice and then they still investigate what kraus did it could result in just charges not being refiled for political reasons and practical reasons. But we have this other one. This is from Chet Chisholm. He says, Barnes mentioned that if it's a mistrial, then that means they may be trying to run Kyle's funds down to zero so he can't defend adequately.

I do not believe that's correct because the prosecution knows that Kyle Rittenhouse is not just funded by himself. This is the biggest, it's a high profile trial. And if they did that, and the defense team for Rittenhouse came out and made a video and said, we need your support,

they would raise $2 million in 10 minutes. Yeah. It's not an issue of funding. It may be, it may be, but Rittenhouse, his team, they will have the support of the people, because even the progressives

have started acknowledging that it looked like self-defense. They're like, maybe we're wrong about this, and we were wrong about that. You're going to get too many people being like, I will give you 50 bucks, and then he's going to have all the funds for it. In fact, this may result in a bigger defense team.

I mean, they should have Andrew Baranca advising them. Yes, they should. No joke. Yeah. And I was actually surprised they didn't. Yeah, I thought they were going to. I don't know. surprised they didn't yeah i thought they were going to i don't know were they yeah i thought they were he's he's he's the law of self-defense guy we've had him on the show yes excellent commentary he he just has such great insight he's an expert yeah he writes for legal insurrection you guys definitely want to check

him out when it comes to cases like this he just when i read a bunch of news articles and i get a bunch of words and i'm like that's interesting interesting. When I read his, he like breaks down like the elements of self-defense and goes through the details. And I'm like, that's just a better analysis. You know what I mean? But I also like Rikada laws streams, all the lawyers too,

because you know, then you're hearing from a lot of different people and there's a bit of a, you know, here's this, here's that. I wonder if like the defense can just get like a panel from Rikada to like advise in the background. Cause then they'd win.

It'd be like every every legal point every precedent why wasn't that done I mean like I'm gonna say one more time it's a high-profile case shouldn't that be the norm they're boomers

they don't know what they're doing I hope that's I don't know I don't know if that's the case their third eye is calcified that's right yeah do some I need a dark room that's the

truth I hear you did a movie about that yeah so now we're getting to the super chats where everyone was spamming Their third eye is calcified. That's right. They need a dark room. That's the truth. I hear you did a movie about that. Yeah. So now we're getting to the super chats where everyone was spamming. Luke is right. Tim, shut up. Luke is 100% correct. Listen, Tim.

Luke is right. Let Luke speak the truth. Let's see. Luke is right. Tim is scared. Tim is right. Here's one. George Cruz says, Tim prefers showing facts to support his claims. We know Gates controls, but show proof of his corruption. Here's one. George Cruz says, Tim prefers showing facts to support his claims.

We know Gates controls, but show proof of his corruption. Devil's advocate. Devil's advocate? That's me. You're advocating for me. What is this? Devil's advocate.

Carter Strasser says, Tim getting ratioed in chat. I know you're all seeing it, even Tim. Tim, you're cranky, lack of sleep. You're being a bit of a Richard to Luke. Chill out. I will be fair, and I will say this. We did that really, really big show on tuesday and i'm like you know sorting through all that i had to wake up super early so i could get my work done so i could go on rogan so i did

an hour and uh an hour and 40 an hour and 20 minutes in the morning three hours with rogan and then three hours at night and then i wake up again to do the same thing and do an hour with jones and then do another three hours at night and then i gotta wake up again tomorrow so truth be told i'm probably very drained excuses excuses we all work hard that was yesterday tim we all work non-stop mr vintage says luke has spent too much time with alex jones i don't know we've seen each other other for the first time in like 10 years. I love the... Last year when he came and woke me up in my RV. Oh, yeah, it was great.

And this is the second time seeing him in like 10 years in very short instances. If you keep it up, your voice is going to start sounding like this. And now, to be fair, I was actually just reading all of the ones that were pro-Luke, but there are some that were pro-Tim. Pagan Libertarian Milady says, you won't be able to wake people up like that, Luke. Don't cast pearls before swine. No, no, no.

Sherlock, I know. You've got to talk about solutions and them. That's awesome. Camel of the Mojave says, Luke, the average person is not going to wake up. They aren't listening. Build a strong community. Tell the government, F off, and the people around you, no free stuff. The elites are the people

chosen by the lazy common folk. Well, you can't be too nihilistic. You can't be too black-pilled and just think everyone's lazy and everyone's stupid. That's the thinking of the elites. That's the thinking the elites want you to have. The common man wants the best for him and his family, or

her and her family and i i think if we could just understand that most people are good uh deep down they're not psychopathic people who hang out with jeffrey epstein and do unspeakable things to children in the name of some kind of weird multi-dimensional religion luke and i were in korea and we did political compass tests and i was center left and he was like a mirror image like we were like inversions like right in the middle libertarian center left center right oh cool I think that's a good example of

what it is like I think we're actually both right but kind of not seeing exactly what it is and I got frustrated you get intense reverberations and then the casimir effect that's what causes gravity I'm not sure there's also the danger of like typecasting all people and saying that's not the way to do think that's what causes gravity. I'm not sure. There's also the danger of typecasting all people and saying, that's not

the way to do it. That's not the way to do it. Absolutely. That's the reason why, you know, like Stuart Copeland and Sting, they hated one another. And Sting wanted a different kind of drum sound and Stuart said no. And you got police coming out of it. We need some of that.

You know what we can just do? It's very simple. Start a band. Bill Gates sucks. That's the name of the band. That's it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. It's not just about me and Luke. That's unfair. We got a super chat here from David Tracy. He says, Ian is completely right. A new king solves nothing.

A Magna Carta that makes the king irrelevant solves plenty of problems, at least for a while. So you know what? There's more than enough of everyone here being right. And we all get participation trophies. That's right. Thank you, Jim. You get a sticker.

Yeah. I voted today. Gold star sticker, yeah. John Boyle says, Bill Gates is evil, but I don't think he has this master plan to change the fabric of America. And if there is this plan for the Great Reset, you think we would have any idea who developed this ingenious plan? There is a plan. I think him, Schwab, the Davos group,

like you guys really got to take a look at what goes on in Davos for the World Economic Forum. It's not just the World Economic Forum. There's this big peripheral institution around it. All these people show up, setting up pop-ups boutiques all promoting much of the exact same ideas so you have this is crazy like in and i went to davos during the world economic forum i couldn't get into the actual thing i was in the pop-ups

but you actually have like on a mountain basically at the top all of the global elites being like here are the issues of the world and when you talk it's the world economic forum and then outside you have like the nobles who are all like the kings are all correct and let's bask and they're walking around and you've got high ranking you know politicians and the family members and all that stuff all laughing and you know cheersing and drinking you know beer outside of the palace and then in far far away where the actual peasants are tilling the fields, they have no idea what's going on. They're walled out. I guess my point there is just that it's not just

the royalty, it's the nobility that shuffles around underneath and then opens their mouths as a refuse pours from the palace. The court, the king's court that lives within the castle and the castle grounds. Also, everything they talk about makes some sense in the futuristic technological world that we're living in. And they're also talking about, you know, the last thing that I saw from them is they're talking about reshaping food systems, you know, from farm to lab as well. But basically using science and data to revolutionize whole food systems and to homogenize it.

So instead of having like individual, you know, groups being able to feed individual areas, every one across the board, if this goes through, will be run by a singular system. Now, that just seems like common sense in a world that does want some kind of global top down rule. we're moving into technocracy that's that's my with food that's dangerous to uniform food because if like a virus or a bacteria emerges that destroys a certain type of food or a fungus or something and then we've all we've created our entire system based on like a specific kind of potato that could be very dangerous and they're talking about land use mainly.

They're talking about how do we use land? You know, will they get to the point where they're like, let's take imminent domain to a global level and talk about how are we going to feed by 2050 10 billion people, which is their projections. So they're already in the long game

thinking of 2050. I'll give, Luke mentioned this, but we have a super chat too. Uncle Sam says, my view on who to blame look in the mirror every one of us has a part in this luke is right vote with your money that means giving up conveniences it won't change until we ourselves change we have more power than we know that's correct uh v for vendetta you know uh if you're looking for the guilty party

there and some are more guilty than others you need only look into the mirror i know why you did it it's a great it's well written It's a great, it's well-written. It's amazing. But yeah, it's regular people. And that's why, you know, my view is very much like change as many, it's grassroots. And that's probably because I come from, you know, a more like lefty libertarian perspective where it's like get as many of the working class and little people to share your idea. And then it affects the greater system above. You know what i mean but i but i think

you know i think i think we both made our points and we're both like probably in agreement with each other just kind of like slightly on the other side let's see monkey wang says alex jones explains the bill gates situation better than luke and that's scary oh well jones has been talking about for a long time i went on key wing well well going on you know i was on uh info wars with jones and uh he would say things that sounded outlandish to me and i'd be like i don't know about that he for a long time. Monkey wing. Well, going on, you know, I was on Infowars with Jones, and he would say things that sounded outlandish to me, and I'd be like, I don't know about that. He goes, it's proven, it's confirmed, it's declassified, and I'd be like, okay.

And then he'd be like, anyway, moving on. It's like, I can't really say anything to something I don't know. Sounds like Alex needs a Jamie. No, no, no, no, no. Like, his show is very in the weeds, you know what I mean? And for me to go on and hear these things for the first time that I've never fact-checked or looked into,

but his audience all knows. Oh, I'm looking. I'm going to watch that. That's going to be awesome. Is that up already? I think so. Yeah, because I think it goes out live, doesn't it?

Yeah, I thought it streamed. I'm not sure, though. I don't know. He gets a ridiculous amount of traffic. People don't realize this. They thought they obliterated it. They thought they banned him.

They canceled him. And then I went and checked out Banned.video and he's on millions of views and i was like wow you know he was big before social media and they and he got way too he got massive and then they banned him and then he's still big it's like he's bigger than he was before social media he's not as big as he was when he was on you know the big platforms but he did an interview with me outside the house and it got half a million views in a day or something, and I was just like, wow, man.

Wow. I actually, whenever I post about him on social media now, I use hashtag. I use at Ben Stewart because you have an account. Because he gets banned, I'm just like, hashtag Alex Jones. It's good enough. Totally. Follow the hashtag.

He's become a hashtag now. He also did a good job on Michael Malice's show. He stayed calm a hashtag now. He also did a good job on Michael Malice's show. He stayed calm. On topic. When did he go on, and what did they argue about? Well, I mean, to be honest, I didn't get through more than 20 minutes because my day wouldn't allow it. But, I mean, he started off, Michael Malice was just like, I'm going to run through a bunch of... First, I'm going to tell you conspiracy theory isn't just one thing.

A lot of people love making things super simplistic. But then he was like, okay, Loch Ness Monster. He was like, not real. Bigfoot. I don't believe it. And then Gulf of Tonkin, and he went like a history buff into real good detail. But he wasn't like – he wasn't Alex Jones. I remember the first time when he started yelling into the microphone.

You know, he wasn't doing stuff like that. They had a really chill conversation. It was a good one. You're welcome, Michael Malice. You're welcome, yes. When was that? Oh, man. It was recently, right?

It was, I mean, it was definitely after, maybe a month after they were on this show last time. And I think it was because of this show. He was like, listen, I want to get you just one-on-one talking, you know, not with other people. Just you bring the volume down. And it was a really good show. I've been so intrigued watching Alex Jones' ideas because so many people discard him out of hand. And I'm like, I don't think you can safely do that i think that

he should be an inspiration to kind of look into some of this stuff for yourself because he says things that are true in a way that's very hyperbolic and i think it turns some people off from it but it's like yo you should check it out well everyone should be held accountable for their actions and there's a lot to say about individuals and what they said before and I'll leave it at that. Alright, let's see. We'll just do a couple more here. We'll do a couple more here. Oh, it's 10 already.

What a great show. Alright, we got Jordan. VT says, I agree with you, Tim, on the importance of building culture. Disagreements happen in society and demonstrating how to have a conversation with opposing views on your show can help build a stronger culture. I agree. Neil Hamilton Jr. says Luke is right and demonstrating how to have a conversation with opposing views on your show can help build a stronger culture. I agree. I agree.

Neil Hamilton Jr. says Luke is right, and that the patterns of bad actors should be exposed. Tim, you are correct, and that the way we do that matters. Yeah, I think we're both right. As long as you don't manipulate people in order to try to convince them that your side is better. I think that's the big difference, and that needs to be addressed here, because if you're thinking humanity is dumb and stupid and you need to manipulate them to think like you are, you're becoming what you're fighting,

and that's what I want to not do, and that's why I think I had such a strong reaction towards this myself. So we got one more, and the only one we didn't get is the Ben is right, but this is... Press M says, Tim's wrong, Luke's wrong damn tim's wrong luke's

wrong ian's wrong oh he's right they got us lydia i finally got by the way is andrew bronco i disagree or something no no it's not right no we do look really similar yeah uh guys go to timcast.com become a member we're gonna have a member segment we're talking about the national guard and like i guess the threat of disbanding them or something that That's wild. And we got some new data out of the UK as it pertains to COVID rates. This is something that YouTube is, like, would maybe even ban us for talking about. This is scientific data. That's how scary it is, what's going on. But we'll talk about that stuff.

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I just mean for the show in general. That's true. Like I'm not going to pretend I believe something for the sake of trying to make money. I don't care. I don't want to do that. But I really appreciate all of you guys who watch and give us your support and appreciate what we do. So you can follow the show at TimCast. You can follow me at TimCast.irl. You can follow me at

TimCast basically everywhere. Do you want to shout anything out, Ben? Yeah, so I just premiered here in Austin a film with Aubrey Marcus. He's a really cool influencer, but he did Seven Days in Darkness just to see what he could see. And the film is out now,

AubreyMarcus.com. We really go into it with a film that's like an initiation. We recreate some of the visions, like the DMT visions that he had in there. And let me just end on this. When you do go into darkness, something does happen with your pineal gland, your circadian rhythm, and endogenous DMT. And that's why I'm wearing the DMT Quest shirt. You guys should watch DMT Quest documentary on YouTube and then go to Ben

Joseph, Stuart.com sign up, become a member. I'd love you forever. Are we going to do like a documentary documentary or something or welcome to the machine? I got Charles Eisenstein right now helping with like the future of where technology could go.

And so, yeah, I got, I got some really good people working on that, but because I was working on that but because i was working on the aubrey marcus film i haven't made much headway past development i want to do something on dmt i want to do like i really want to explore that and get you know deep and big and long like two hours i want i want someone to go down to the shamans in south america and like

like a toad or something i mean no no, no. I just mean like I want to know everything there is to know about the research and the culture and what they've been doing, what they've discovered with it. DMT, I think, may be one of the most fascinating things to me. It is. You know what? Like this guy, John Chavez, DMT Quest, let's talk about that afterwards. Yeah, there's a lot of... There's also

a lot of fraud shamans out there, so be careful with that. But there's also prisons in Brazil using DMT to help prisoners get over uh you know being murderers and other there's crazy stories surrounding it but to to what you're saying maybe this is why space is is is so dark uh but that's another thing but i remember watching your movies all the way back in in the 2000s what was it climatica and then was what was the other one uh esoteric esoteric agenda that was the one i That was the one. I was like, whoa, that's really cool. I got to get to know you. We got to know each other. It's good to see you again. Thank you so much for coming on. I wish I would have brought my Bill Gates is not a medical doctor t-shirt to Austin.

Sadly, I didn't. But if you want yours, you can get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. And, of course, I have a YouTube channel where I was translating German once again on my YouTube channel, which you definitely want to watch. I had a lot of fun doing that on youtube.com forward slash we are change. Thanks for having me. Great debate.

Let's go. Let's keep sharpening the... What is it? Sharpening the iron? Yes. The iron is hot, and now is the time to temper it, and that is what we are doing here with you.

You are amazing people. Thank you for being here and chatting and letting us know what you think and being part of this great journey. I'm so happy to be here, too. I love you, Ben. I'm just going to say that. I love y'all.

Thanks, Ben. Thanks for coming, man. It's always a pleasure. If you want to check out my website, it's iancrossland.net, and I will catch you guys later. Yeah, and I just wanted to leave you guys with a thought that Carl Jung had,

which is that people don't have ideas. Ideas have people. People like Bill Gates and George Soros are living out an idea that we're better off understanding before we try to attack the symptoms of the idea. Linda, you want to go at it? I will not hold back. That's not fair. You're trying to throw in a sucker punch. Put that for the record.

Linda's throwing sucker punches. Bill Gates can come to my private island anytime. She's not even changing the camera on me. No, I'm going to leave you off forever. She's been passive-aggressively not changing the camera on me this whole time in Austin. Just in the corner turning Luke down. I'm so disappointed in you, Linda. I'm disappointed. I'm mad at you.

Hey, just let me get my last word in. I'm just kidding. You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids. We will see you all at TimCast.com in the member segment. Thanks for hanging out. Bye, guys.