Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #414 - White House SMEARS Rittenhouse AGAIN, Psaki Doubles Down On Defamation w/Peter Navarro

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join economist, author, former Assistant to the President and Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro to talk about Jen Psaki's doubling down on painting Kyle Rittenhouse as a white supremacist, how China truly is America's greatest existential threat, the St. Louis Fed's tasteless tweet about choosing soy-based alternatives in place of turkey this Thanksgiving, the White House's choice to tap into the American petroleum reserves in an attempt to lower the price of gas, Trump's possible next move, and whether there will be a Red Wave (or Red Tsunami) in the 2022 elections, and moving into 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, Jen Psaki was asked about Kyle Rittenhouse and whether or not Joe Biden would apologize for implying in a video that he was a white supremacist. And Jen Psaki was basically like, what do you mean? He took pictures of the Proud Boys, right? And all of a sudden I see across Twitter people being like, well, that's securing a defamation lawsuit because it's not true. But, you know, the problem is white supremacist is an opinion. So we will see if Kyle actually ends up filing a defamation lawsuit. Now, interestingly, in his interview with Tucker Carlson, he said the phrase actual malice, which is a legal phrase, which implies young Mr. Rittenhouse has been talking with some lawyers about what Mr. Biden,

Mr. President Biden said, and it seems entirely possible. So we'll definitely get into that. We also have the Rittenhouse precedent, which is triggering a bunch of left-wing activists. They're freaking out. And the funny thing is, there's no real precedent. Self-defense has always been a privilege, an affirmative defense, if you kill somebody, heaven forbid. And now they're surprised. Why? Well, these rioters got away with it for too long. I mean, for nearly a decade, I've watched these extremists go through the streets smashing and destroying and becoming emboldened and finally now they're actually worried that people are going to go out and defend their communities and i got to be honest i think there's a reasonable fear that

people might go out we don't want active conflict in that regard and then of course we have the economy which is in very serious trouble we're being told not to buy turkeys. We're also simultaneously being told there's no turkey shortage. There is a turkey shortage. And maybe try tofurkey instead. You know what? The St. Louis Fed says tofurkey is cheaper. Try the soy-based garbage instead.

Now, I think Americans not being able to get turkey is going to be a big wake-up call for a lot of people about what's happening with the Biden government and the economy. And we've got one of the best people imaginable to actually talk to us about this. We've got Peter Navarro. Do you want to introduce yourself? Tim, my friend, before I do that, let me just salute you. And look, as we talk about the news today, there's a diaspora out there of folks like you who basically are speaking truth to power and the dissonance between what the American people are being fed on the MSNBCs and CNNs and Jen Psaki's this world versus the reality

that that folks like you are bringing to the table are really important and in one of the ways I found myself here today Tim is through a friend mutual friend jack basoba right and he's like doing doing really good things about at human events and one of the one of the things that you know i listen to is his podcast in the morning when i'm kind of working out a little bit at the beginning of the day. And, you know, you listen to Busceau, it's like we find out things like the victims, right, are not Boy Scouts, right? We find out that the... In the Rittenhouse case. That, yeah, in the Rittenhouse case, we find out that the mayor, the DA, and the lead detective are part of a family that seem to be consciously trying to shape the trial in a way which is contrary to the facts. We find out that there's doctored videos that were doctored in a way to make Rittenhouse look like he would lose his self-defense thing and so then you see then you see Biden or Psaki saying things like they're

saying and we're at a point now uh and I've been around a while got a few miles on me we're at a point now I've never seen before it's a total breakdown of the mainstream corporate fourth estate there's no truth to be had anymore. And the American people aren't buying a lot of that. If you look at the polling, the polling is totally inconsistent with the narratives of the fake news. So that means they're listening to folks like Tim Pool or Jack Posobiec or a place I live a lot at, Steve Bannon's War Room as a co-host. And so I'm happy to be here with you tonight, Tim, and let's jam.

Well, who are you? Who am I? So first and foremost, since I want to plug the heck out of this thing, I'm the author of this new book called In Trump Time. Yes. The title itself is something that I coined during my service in the Trump administration. with the president all the way from the 2016 campaign where I was the top economic and trade advisor all the way to the end of what I like to refer to as his first term. So the in-Trump time phrase became essentially the ethos and culture of the administration, something that came up early on in the iconic Situation Room,

sitting around with a bunch of these deep administrative state bureaucrats i'm trying to on behalf of the president move a trade policy and all i'm getting is pushback and and finally it was like no no no no no we're doing this in trump time which is to say as soon as possible. And you come back tomorrow with a plan to get this done in a week, not in six months. And if that doesn't work for you, we'd be happy to send you out to Bethesda to count paperclips in a warehouse. This is like, this is what we do. And that became, that became like our, and it really became important because I went from the China hawk in the administration, the guy who was a lot behind the steel and aluminum tariffs, the China tariffs. I ran the whole Buy American, Hire American program.

I did like a dozen executive orders for the president. And then suddenly it flips in January of 2020, and I turned into like the quartermaster for the president and then suddenly it flips in january 2020 and i i turned into like the quartermaster uh for the pandemic trying to figure out how did it get enough ppe and that's the subtitle of the in trump time book it's uh my journal of america's plague year what i did was it was really interesting tim when when i got to the White House early on, the biggest shock to me, and it was truly a shock, was that I faced as much opposition inside the White House perimeter from officials who were trying to stop the president from doing the two transformational aspects of his agenda, which was the secure borders and the fair trade policies. And so what I did was I began keeping a daily journal every night when I went home, no matter how tired I was. I recorded the notes for the day, and I did it not just because I thought I might be part of history some small or large way, but to hold people accountable for what quickly became apparent,

their disloyalty to the president himself as well as to his agenda. So, I mean, that's who I am. I mean, I'm the guy who lasted the whole five years. I'm the guy who was in charge of trade manufacturing policy. And regardless of any bad things people say about me and my service in the White House, they'll say I was the guy who got stuff done in Trump time. We've got a lot to talk about, especially with the economy and everything. So we're glad to have you, man.

I'm here, brother. All right. We got a lot to get into the u.s federal reserve is telling people to eat soy to save money over turkeys i mean i expected some intervention not that kind of intervention but holy freaking cow welcome back beautiful and amazing human beings and as you know i like being ahead of the times and that's why today i'm wearing a shirt that says glaine maxwell did not bleep herself if you want to know what that bleep is you can go to the best political shirts.com also we're doing a black friday sale with the promo code luke you can get up to 15 off and we're doing it tonight at midnight because screw the corporations we're going to beat them at their game. We're going to do it before anyone else. Tonight, midnight

Black Friday sale. 15% off or more with promo code LukeLUKE. Hope you guys take advantage of that. And I will say Tofurky, not that bad. Hey, Ian. Delicious. Come on. Everyone's like, I knew it.

The truth is, hey, you can pull that in if you want to leave it. He's going to do a t-shirt for the Un-Trump Time book. Can you handle that? Maybe. We'll talk, and I bet we can get something very creative. I got a deal for you. And then this is so freaky.

This is like the Marie Antoinette of the Federal Reserve. I know, right? It really is. Lydia Kenney turning left. That would be so freaky, right? It really is. Lydia Kenny, turn your left. That'd be a tough turkey, right? Why not? Sure, why not? I am also here in the corner

and I just want to tell you, Peter, you can pull your mic up however close you want. This way, yeah. Super flexible. Damn, baby. Here we go.

I'm very excited to have you because I really, really appreciate, I kind of offend people because I'm like, I really appreciate the voice of the older generations because I want to know.

Oh, I am offended. There we go. I know. There you go. Sorry. I'm going to kick things out strong. But I really want to know if things have ever been this bad before because I feel like we look at it and we're like, this is insane. This is horrible. And I'm like, is it really that bad? I guess we'll get into that during this episode. I went through the 50s. I went through the

60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. No, it's never been this bad. Okay. Great. This is sui generis. This is just the generis. Great. This is just a brand new world. Even like Vietnam, when they were manipulating people into Vietnam, it was... No, that was all child's play compared to what's going on now, particularly from a macroeconomic standpoint.

The problems that we are facing now, particularly with the uncertainty of when the pandemic may or may not end. It's interesting. It's like in this interim time book, I talk about how I was the guy in early February. Think about this. I'm the guy in early February who would write a dozen memos that would jumpstart everything from the vaccine development to the therapeutics like people are taking now, the remdesivir, the monoclonal antibodies, things like that, testing, PPE, all of that stuff. And one of the things I wrote in those early memos was that the vaccine would have to be supplemented by therapeutics, and the virus may well be around for a long time because of its ability to mutate.

And that's the concern we face now. We got a lot more, too. I mean, politics, China, the inflation, stuff like that. Go for it. We'll get into all that stuff. So make sure, before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member. We're going to have a members-only segment where we get into the nitty-gritty dark stuff that I think this one's going to be pretty bold because we've already talked about a

lot of stuff that's like YouTube unfriendly. And so this is serious stuff having to do with White House policy and what's going on in China with certain labs. So you definitely want to be a member, not miss this one. It'll be up around 11 or so p.m but don't forget to like this video subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends if you really like it let's jump into uh the first story i i hate to to jump right back into like the news because we are getting going but let's let's do this because uh this is what we had we had set up and i think this is uh this is important as for the modern cultural stuff so we have this the story from The Independent. I chose The Independent on purpose for the source of this story. Saki links Kyle Rittenhouse to

Proud Boys after teenager hits out at Biden over white supremacist defamation. Secretary notes Rittenhouse's photo with right wing group excluded from trial. Interesting. The reason I chose The Independent is because this is the outlet that claimed Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people. I noticed that. Which is not true. So of all of the outlets that would like to make a comment on Kyle Rittenhouse and defamation, I thought this would be the funniest one to use. The independent says that Peter Doocy asked whether or not Mr. Biden would ever apologize

to Mr. Rittenhouse for suggesting online and on TV that he's a white supremacist. And Psaki responded the video was meant to show how Trump actively encouraged white supremacists and right wing militia groups during his presidency. In her answer, she referred to a 2020 photo that showed Rittenhouse posing with a member of the Proud Boys. Biden, Mr. Biden, she added, spoke to the verdict last week. He has obviously condemned the hatred and division and violence we've seen around the country committed by groups like the proud boys and groups that individual has posed in photos with do's his question did not address the photo referenced by seki blah blah blah i love it i love it i love this idea that uh how many how many conflicts are the proud boys involved in

you know a decent amount but have the proud boys ever gone out actively destroying neighborhoods setting fires firebombing buildings or anything like that. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Enrique Tarrio pulled down a banner that said Black Lives Matter and they burned it in the street. Yep. So that was that. A multiracial person did that, by the way. And the organization is not a white supremacist organization. There's many people of color within it. And again, it's just absurd the logic that they're using here. Okay, let's use the same logic joe biden took a picture with putin biden is the president of russia now come on that's ridiculous and he's a russian advocate

exactly and and kyle's words against the president yesterday on that tucker carlson interview were very pointed and i think he's preparing for something bigger here because he said he's accusing the president of using malice and defamation, as you mentioned before. Actual malice. That's a legal phrase. Yeah, exactly. Saying someone has malice in a public setting, like if you were like he was maliciously smearing me or that smear was his malice, I mean that just basically means like they're mad at you. They don't like you. Actual malice is the legal standard by which

you can sue a public figure. So here's what I think happened. I think Rittenhouse was talking to his lawyers and they said, you know, we believe what Biden said about you was actual malice or maybe something to that effect. And then Kyle was like, oh yeah, in the colloquial sense, and then says it to Tucker. But it sounds like he's being, you know, he's having these discussions. Now, truth be told, you can call someone a white supremacist, and it is not defamation. It's not. It's an opinion.

Is it okay to give Psaki a compliment? Of course. Because after four years in the White House, I got to hand it to her. She lies. She's pretty good. Much better than anybody we had. And I proposed the Jen Psaki drinking game, by the way. Oh, boy.

Which was every time she lied, you'd have to take a drink, a shot of Psaki, right? Perfect. I see what you meant there. Yeah. And, you know, it'd be a short party because everybody would be passed out on the floor within 30 minutes of the press conference. But it's really, I mean, the thing that strikes me is that, again, you asked me kind of perspective from my age and things like that. We've abandoned all notion of any kind of truth, and now it's just simply a battle of spin and narratives i mean it's like you go you wake up in the morning and the the cnn and mbc people are just lazy they let the spin

and narrative come out of the new york times and the washington post or whatever bullet points the political cannons might be sent him and then off they they run with it. And then we've got folks on the other side of that. But, I mean, it's just – Well, NBC, they're a lot worse than that. So during the trial, an MSNBC journalist was trying to get photographs of the jury. Yeah, it's like crazy. Can you imagine that, like following – an MSNBC reporter following a juror to their home. The jury busts.

Yes. All of them. You'll never see Morning Joe wax eloquent on that. Okay? It's like LeBron. These people are so hypocritical. Like LeBron James on China. Right?

I mean, look. It's like LeBron James will be the first one to just trash this country upside the head. I mean, it's, oh, this is a terrible place to live, right? But then, you've got two million people in concentration camps in China, and it's like, can't talk about that.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Didn't some basketball player wear, like, shoes or something? Yes, there was a Boston Celtics player that wore a shoe depicting LeBron bending over to, of course, China, bowing down to Winnie the Pooh as he was playing against LeBron James, who's also suspended for sucker punching another player. My hero in the NBA is Enos Kanter. That's him.

He's the one who wore those shoes. Yeah, and so he's protesting now, and guess what? He's sitting on the bench rather than playing. This is not cool. There's another NBA star here. When Colin Kaepernick protested and he eventually gets booed and nobody wants to have him around, I'm like, you get political, you get into it. You know what I mean?

And they should. I think we should have these debates. I think we shouldn't be afraid of politicizing things kwame brown another former nba star came out and he said surprisingly kyle rittenhouse acted in quote self-defense he goes on to say that the case was politicized for people to make a lot of money promoting racism at the expense of a teenager and a lot of people were resonating with those points after of course watching the trial that was a live stream and presented a different point of view that people were denied. If, of course, they were watching the corporate media, which many of them didn't even put on the arguments that the defense was even making during this entire case, which is crazy. You know, it's crazy.

So the episode I recorded a show with Joe Rogan last week. It went up yesterday. And I was reading some comments. And people were saying like, you know, I'm watching this. I'm listening for 45 minutes. And I swear this guy is just making all this stuff up. It's because they live in the world of CNN and MSNBC. So when I sit there and say something like Kyle Rittenhouse didn't cross state lines with a gun. In fact,

the DA, Binger, has charged Dominic Black under the same statute because of the straw purchase. And I don't think it's a straw purchase charge, but they're basically saying you provided a weapon to a minor. And then these people listen to that and they're like, that's not true. Joy Reid told me he crossed, Colbert said he crossed state lines.

I watch Colbert. He's lying, isn't he? And I keep saying, fact check me. Google this. Take five seconds. Just figure out we are telling you the truth. This is the important thing I want to say about the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff. I hope everybody remembers when it came to this show, when it came to my morning show, that the seven witnesses we had, we told you from the beginning it was self-defense.

Everything that came out in the trial. Maybe you're someone who only realized by watching the trial what was going on. Watch our show. You'll see we were never lying to you. We had the witnesses here tell their stories. Some of these same people have been on this show, went on to testify for the state and the defense in that trial. And sure enough, the jury said not guilty on all counts. We had Will Chamberlain here who said the gun possession was legal. The charge is bunk. Guess what?

The judge said, actually, that's correct. Now, if you were watching CNN the whole time, you got punked. We were honest with you the whole time. Let me say one thing about CNN, too, because John Berman, New Day, and then to because um john berman new day i just happened to hear the show in the morning uh talking about the case tim and what what just sickened me was the tone in his voice signaling that he wanted this 17 year old person convicted that was he was reporting the quote news, which was wrong and contradictory to everything you just said, but at the

same time, you could feel in his the way he was reporting it was like, oh, we've got to get this guy convicted. A 17-year-old kid who was not guilty and found not guilty by his his peers he's being condemned to life

imprisonment by the tone of that voice yep those people who listen to cnn that they buy into that you see colbert colbert said if that's not against the law we should change the law yeah what they're really saying is for the past decade, they have escalated their violence and their riots and they've gotten away with it. And at this point, well, now people are starting to snap. And I don't think it's a good thing. People showing up and what happened in Kenosha, I don't think is good in any way. But people are finally fed up. We've seen videos of people getting into fistfights with Antifa, chasing them out.

Well, now what's happening is these leftist extremists are shocked and angry that, oh no, now we're dealing with resistance from people who don't want us burning down their local communities. Now the courts have said, if you attack someone

and threaten great bodily harm, we are, there's no precedent. There's always been self-defense. Well, that offends the likes of Colbert. No, Colbert, when they were burning down buildings, when they were firebombing government facilities, when small towns were getting looted and ransacked, where was Colbert? Mum's the word. Kamala Harris was fundraising for these people to bail them out. So when this ruling comes in, they say the judge is biased.

SNL does a skit about it, and they say there's white supremacy, blah, blah, blah. They're just angry that regular people have had enough of their extremism. It's a battle of narratives. That's what we've become in this society. The media has gone into their – the traditional media has gone into their respective corners, and it's a battle of opinion-driven narratives not fact-based narratives and i i'm listening to you that actually you actually had the witnesses on that blows my mind that's a beautiful thing it's a beautiful thing yeah you know what i realized today when i was reading you know people are commenting on rogan's podcast there's actually two different

political compasses so when we say like you know, Luke is like right libertarian or whatever, how people want to describe it, and I'm like left-leaning libertarian, and I don't know where Ian is. He's in outer space. Yeah, pretty much. I think I'm left libertarian. Well, probably, but you're probably more authoritarian than I am. Let me test you guys, okay? Oh, boy.

Because I always had trouble with the libertarians in the administration. How do you guys feel about tariffs on China? And, well, give me a little bit more detail. So, okay, so in the In Trump Time book, there's a great scene where I go mano-a-mano with Chris Wallace on his Sunday show. Oh, good for you. And it's like we're in each other's face, and he goes, what's the problem with China? I go, and it just pops out of my head because it's Sunday, right?

It's biblical. I go, the seven deadly sins, right? And so I go, okay, so here's the problem. It's even get all seven. It's always a chore, right? Okay, you start with the intellectual property theft to the tune of half a trillion dollars a year. You got forced technology transfer, which is if you want to go and do business in China,

you've got to hand over your technology, right? Totally unfair trade. You've got the constant cyber hacking, both of personal individuals for their credit card, whatever, but also businesses, right? Steel and IP, another form. You've got what's called dumping, which is sending product below cost into markets as a way of pushing the domestic producers out and grabbing hold of those markets. You have China's state-owned enterprises.

I'm up to five now right see these are the these are the national champions they send out with the with the full power of the state to go out and do battle and why why it's china building our subway systems instead of american companies um currency manipulation which is like china lowers the value of their currency, which makes their exports here cheaper and our exports to them more expensive. So our trade deficit goes up. And then there's the seven is the killing of Americans with deadly fentanyl. And that's both a health crisis, as well as an economic thing, because a lot of the people who die from fentanyl. And that's both a health crisis as well as an economic thing, because a lot of the people who die from fentanyl are working age manufacturing blue collar workers. Okay.

So the libertarian, the traditional libertarian view is that, well, if China wants to sell us cheap goods, we should just benefit from them. And what I'm going is, no, no, no, no, no. It's like, that's a form of economic aggression. If you take it as like a snapshot and you go into Walmart and stuff's cheap, that's cool, okay. But if you play it like as a movie, over time and all your jobs go offshore

and your wages are driven down and people go to the unemployment line and workers wind up committing suicide because they don't have jobs. That's a serious thing. So I get back and like in the In Trump Time book, I identify this set of what I call the Wall Street transactionalists like Mnuchin at Treasury, Kudlow at the National Economic Council, Mulvaney, big libertarian. It's like, I try to do like buy American policies or China tariffs and these guys freak out. So I'll throw it back to you guys.

Libertarian. Do you do tariffs on China to protect yourself? Well, there's two different libertarians now. You've got the Mises caucus and you've got the establishment, you know, old school type libertarians, and they disagree on a lot of things. Yeah. So I think the Mises guys are like pro borders, right?

Yeah, very much so. Yeah. So they're probably going to say we have to protect American workers in America. And then I think their view is more like within the area that we can protect, we have libertarian values and views on how things are run, but we recognize outside of the borders. So I don't know if that's exactly their view, but I would say my view is similar to that. I don't want China ripping off American workers using economic coercion and warfare to try and destroy this country. So everything within the

borders, I believe in very libertarian, individual liberties, individual rights, civil rights, etc. And then when it comes to international trade and stuff, we must protect the people in our community. Here's an interesting stat for you folks. Our trade deficit with China is roughly equivalent to the People's Liberation Army Defense Budget. So, and by the way, it's Tuesday, and Friday is not just Friday. It is Black Friday. And that's when everybody's going to be going to the big box, baby, Walmart, Target, whatever. And a lot of that stuff they're going to buy

when they pick up that Made in China stuff is actually going to be plows into swords, plowshares into swords, because that stuff is, that money or trade deficit goes to fund all other weapons. And what drives me nuts is you asked at the beginning who I am. It's like the way I met Donald Trump, and I talk about it in the In Trump Time book because there was some confusion there. I wrote a trilogy of China books, right? 2006, The Coming China Wars. 2011, The Death by China book and film.

And then those were economic-based. And then 2015, Crouching Tiger, which was the rise of the Chinese military. So, like, in 2015, I write this book and say, yeah, China's developing these hypersonic missiles that can kill us with nuclear weapons, right? Okay, so that's like six years ago. And so China, just a couple of weeks ago, they fly a hypersonic plane around in low orbit, which is capable of bristling with weapons. And everybody's go, wow, wow, that's surprising. Oh my gosh. No, it's not. It's like in 2006, I predicted in the coming China wars that China would create a global pandemic because of the way they handled the viruses. And it was based on my research of how SARS-1 came about. My point here is that China is an existential threat.

You got Joe Biden say it's no, no, it's just simply a competitor. And part of what I've been trying to do and what President Trump was absolutely transformative about was to raise people's awareness, as they used to say in the 60s, about the threat of communist China, the Chinese Communist Party coming after us. And they're coming after us, and there it is. So what do the tariffs do? How will that help? So the way tariffs work, if you have a country like China

that is dumping product in or steel energy or whatever, the tariffs first and foremost offset the advantage that they've gotten from the unfair trade. So that's your first best, right? But what we were also trying to do with China was to get them to the bargaining table. So in some sense, the tariffs were a penalty for things like intellectual property theft or currency manipulation. So it was fascinating. The first chapter of the book, I call it the Red Wedding chapter in homage to Game of Thrones. But we're sitting there in the East Wing, and the president's about to sign this skinny trade deal where we're supposed to deal with this economic aggression. And it's like I'm

fighting the Wall Street transactionalists because all they were concerned is China buy some more soybeans or whatever. They weren't focused on the core problem. But we had this strategy. It was called dragging in a pot. Like, think about this. It's like we knew that there would be resistance to tariffs initially among a certain segment of the public. But to get people to accept them, what we did, this was brilliant, President Trump, he got China to enter into negotiations. Every time China did something in those negotiations which was unfair, we'd raise the tariffs. And that allowed us over time to steadily increase the tariffs to over $300 billion tariffs. And in a second term, I'll say this for the record, and I've talked many times with the president about this, we would have completely raised tariffs on everything to 100% and began to do what I believe has to be done,

which is decouple from communist China. Because every time China makes another dollar off the United States or Europe or whatever, it's able to fuel both its military machine, but also the war China's conducting like through the so-called Belt and Road Initiative. I don't know if you guys have talked about that. Yes, of course. Yeah, so it's basically the colonization of Africa, Latin America, Kazakhstan, and everything like that.

I mean, they've got a strategy. And the advantage they have over us as a democracy is that we change governments and officials every four years, right? And these guys that I would see, I sat, you know, Saka, the G20 across from Xi Jinping and his married band of apparatchiks. Same thing in Buenos Aires. Many times I went to Beijing. My point here is that these guys across the table had been there for years, and they will be there for years,

and I'll be gone. And instead now in Biden land, they've got a bunch of appeasers and people who... Here's the way they do this tim it's like there's money pots and honey pots okay the honey pot is eric swalwell in california right sleeping his way up and down the coast with the chinese spies i joked he had like stds like spy transmitted diseases right that's that's the honey pot right but the money pots are much more insidious because what china will do with government officials is like they'll give them like trips to Beijing or they'll put them in the think tank.

They'll give them grants at universities. And these people become beholden to the Chinese, and then they wind up like Jake Sullivan is the national security advisor, right? I mean, this is crazy stuff. Well, he'll just do business dealings with Biden's sons. And I agree with your point when it comes to decoupling, especially from China's pharma industry, which the United States is heavily reliant on. But I think previously what you were describing was globalization instead of libertarianism. Because when we look at what China's doing, they're treating China like a conduit for a multinational corporate takeover of the world.

And people are using China as a slave factory to produce the goods. But this was all started under Henry Kissinger, who literally took manufacturing jobs from the United States, deindustrialized, and then took all the jobs to China. And now China has taken a lot of workforce, a lot of economic opportunities from the United States, deindustrialized, and then took all the jobs to China. And now China now has taken a lot of workforce, a lot of economic opportunities from the American people.

And obviously, if someone steals from you, that's not libertarianism. There should be consequences, and you should have a right to contract with who you want to contract with. And we shouldn't be contracting with people who are stealing from us. So that libertarian kind of idea still holds strong to me. But because of the multinational corporations having so much power and influence buying out the U.S. government, we don't have libertarianism.

We don't even have capitalism. We have socialism for the super rich, which is orchestrated by elites like Kissinger. You had a strong reaction to Kissinger. I take a really good, short, but nice shot at Henry. Yes, he's the dumbest, you know the dumbest one of the dumb smart guys you meet along the way who's made millions and millions and millions of dollars from that the funny thing about these corporations though the funny thing about these corporations in general electric is the poster child for this all of these American corporations who thought they could go over to China offshore, all the jobs and things like that, wound up getting destroyed over there.

They got stripped of their technology and they wound up having competitors over there who were Chinese. And then if you look like GE, it's like it hit its peak. It was at its apex. Then the moment it started to go over to China, that was the end of that corporation. Again, I'm old enough to remember when GE was the most important and powerful corporation in the world. Today, it's like China just took that. Let's talk about the ramifications of the Biden administration's policies in one of the most ridiculous ways we can. From the St. Louis Fed on Twitter, they say from the Fred blog, a Thanksgiving dinner serving

of poultry costs $1.42. A soybean-based dinner serving with the same amount of calories costs 66 cents and provides almost twice as much protein. Now, they're not saying outright, don't buy turkey, but we get what they're saying. Now, hold on. It would not be an establishment if the media did not jump in and join in as well. So Google search, don't buy turkeys. And what do you see? Well, here's from Mahoning Matters. There's no turkey shortage, but don't wait to buy. From the Des Moines Register, why is there a turkey shortage? Then from Consumer Reports, there is no turkey shortage, but don't wait to buy. From the Des Moines Register, why is there a turkey shortage? Then from Consumer Reports, there is no turkey shortage, followed by PETA, who tells you not to eat turkey. So the prices are going up.

We went to – we got a fresh turkey. We went to a farm, and we preordered. Like they actually raised a turkey from June and got all big, and then they – this past Sunday. And they told us, you can't get them in most places. If you want a turkey, good luck. And now that's why the media is telling people, hey, hey, hey, don't get mad. You're not having turkey for Thanksgiving. You don't want turkey anyway, right? Hey, this soy stuff is cheaper and better for you. How about that? Now that and people say to me, that's not Joe Biden's fault. This is happening. And I've said over and over again, I've done long segments talking about why it is Joe Biden's fault,

one of which is the inflation, gas prices, speculation. I can get into it. But let me ask you because you're the economics guy. What is it with the Biden administration that's resulting in inflation, high gas prices, food shortages? What is it? Let me take you back to 2016 and the Trump campaign. And we had a mantra there, the way we were going to grow the economy. And it was simple. It was tax cuts, not to benefit the corporations, but simply to encourage them to bring jobs onshore. It was deregulation to lower the costs and make us more globally competitive.

It was energy independence and cheap energy, which, again, makes us more competitive, puts more money in consumers' pockets to help them be able to buy more and increase their wages. And most of all, it was fair trade. It was stopping the attacks, not just by China on us, but India, Europe, and everywhere else where we had the lowest tariffs in the world and everybody was taking advantage of us. Now, all of those, Tim, are what we call structural changes in the economy designed to increase growth and do it in a way where the productivity would increase and therefore real wages would rise and inflation would be held down.

That's the structural macroeconomic approach to prosperity. Now, if you think about what went before that and what has come after that, that answers your question. Before that, what the Biden-Obama administration did for eight years was double, double the national debt from $10 to $20 trillion. Think about that. It went from $10 trillion to $20 trillion. That was pure, what we call in economics, pure Keynesian stimulus designed to stimulate the economy, but it didn't work because they didn't address the underlying structural changes. All we got was this, I don't know if you remember the phrase, the new normal. This was like slow growth and stagnant wages. Okay, so we come to Trump,

things boom, and then Biden takes over. What has he done? He's reversed all four points of the Trump economic growth compass. Right. He wants to raise taxes. Right. He's slamming on more regulations. He's made just the worst mockery and ruin of our energy policy. And now we're begging the Saudis to pump oil. I'll try a little. Comedy is always hard, but here's a little comedy for you. At the football game, tailgates now before the games, they're eating caviar because it's cheaper than cooking hot dogs with propane, right?

There's wing shortages. Yes, and there's wing shortages. And then the other thing is, like, my job at the White House, as I talk about in the interim time book, was supply chains, right? If you have your manufacturing here and your supply chains will stay here, those are resilient. If you send your factories offshore, here's the thing, supply chains follow them, right? And therefore, you have fragile supply chains at best, broken ones at worst. And so what's happening with the Biden economy right now is there's not enough attention being paid to making it here.

I actually wrote the order for the Keystone pipeline when we first got in it was the coolest thing um it was what it happened early but it was cool i i literally did this in 20 minutes it's probably the fastest executive order ever written right but but but biden undid that quicker right the stroke of the pen and so go ahead the keystone pipeline i think is the best is the easiest way to explain to people the rise in prices yeah so the first thing you'll get from like usa today is they'll say biden's policies are not causing gas and prices to increase and not causing inflation and then when you when when it comes to the keystone pipeline they'll say the pipeline wasn't set to deliver oil for some time anyway so shutting it down had no impact on

the amount of energy we had but what it did is that it signaled to many investors and many companies, the supply chain for oil is not going to meet the requirements in the coming years, which means by now, because those prices are going up, speculators then start buying up in fear that we won't have enough in the future. So the prices instantly start spiking. Then when gas prices start spiking, the cost of everything goes up right afterwards. You've got to drive to work. Well, I need more money for work, boss, because the gas is too expensive. You want to get corn shipped to the plant to make whatever you've got to make in food?

The truck's got to spend more for gas. You've got to spend more on corn. And guess what? The frackers, we are like the Saudi Arabia of frackers, Pennsylvania, whatever. North Dakota. The frackers, when these prices go up now, are not going to up production to have that adjustment because they don't believe they'll be allowed to frack under the Biden regime, to your point about signaling. And that's a shrewd thing, Tim, because that's like one of the core principles in economics about signaling theory. Somebody actually won the Nobel Prize back in talking about it.

And that's the problem we have. And it's just absurd. This is nuts. I mean, we're sitting on literally Saudi Arabia of natural gas, and natural gas prices are through the frigging roof. That makes no sense. And watching Joe Biden beg, not just to the Saudis, but to the Russians. I mean, OPEC is basically, okay, here's a quiz. Let's see if you guys can get this right. So it's probably, so Biden's just released oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

How much, how many days or months of oil? I know this one. Go, baby. I know this one because we use 18.9 billion barrels a gallon per day, right? So it's going to last us like two and a half days. Yeah, yeah, boom. Yeah, to your point, signaling theory. Yeah theory yeah that's really gonna drive things down and what you know what saudi did as soon as we did that they all said it oh of course they cut back production wow

so we're strangling us out on purpose oh well the saudis like one of the things um i regret during the trump administration and this isn't in the Trump time book, was how the Saudis screwed our frackers when they started flooding the market with oil. See, there's a fracking thing. There's a threshold, right, which is much relatively higher than pumping from fields fields right the the traditional way the south so so if you want to kill the frackers you all you do is have to keep the price of oil five bucks below that threshold so the saudis did that they've done that like two or three times so real quick for people don't know there's something called energy returned on energy invested and fracking for a long time didn't make sense because the cost to actually frack

wasn't worth what you'd get out of it. But when energy prices reached a certain threshold, all of a sudden the cost stays the same, but the energy is now more valuable. They start fracking. All of a sudden we find ourselves, as you mentioned, the Saudi Arabia fracking. A lot of left-wing activists really don't like it. They really don't like it, but it ultimately helps us become energy independent. Yeah, and a lot of these arguments are being made. We need to stop domestic oil production to help the environment, when in reality, we're literally shipping it from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is doing what's right for Saudi Arabia, as, of course, anyone would. That's why they're cutting down production. I thought, according to Jen Psaki, Saudi Arabia had their own cone where all the carbon stays over there. Yes, of course. That's exactly how it works. Okay. We've got to have a hit of Psaki there. But we've got to understand what's happening.

Donald Trump also, I criticized him during his presidency because he was very close with the Saudis, whether with the weapons deal, whether with geopolitics. They were hand in hand, and I believed he deserved a lot of criticism for that personally myself. But CNN had a very interesting headline talking about this kind of energy crisis. Recently, they had a headline that said, quote, why Biden can't do much to ease gas prices. And a couple of days ago, they had another article that said oil prices are finally falling thanks to China and Joe Biden, literally contradicting themselves, just pushing for the narrative. They had another piece today that was talking about the problems with the inflation narrative, and they blamed everything on it's all OPEC's problem.

It's all OPEC's fault. No, it's not. Let's get into the specifics on the strategic oil thing. We have this story from TimCast.com. Biden administration to use strategic petroleum reserve to lower gas prices. The White House will release 50 million barrels of crude oil. This is – I don't think that regular Americans who like lean Democrat understand signaling and how the actions of the administration, not the hard actions, but like what people feel and see based on what's happening will have an

impact. So I'll give the example I just gave. When Biden says we're shutting down Keystone, well, of course, Keystone wasn't transporting oil. So oil supply is unchanged. But people are predicting for the future. If we have X growth, we're going to need X percent oil increase. And investing for the future. And investing for the future. Or not investing for the future. If we have X growth, we're going to need X percent oil increase. And investing for the future or not investing for the future. So when Biden shuts down Keystone and bans fracking on certain lands, all of a sudden people say, whoa, we're not going to have enough supply in three years. We better buy it now. Everybody rushes.

Everybody buys. Prices skyrocket. Then what does Biden do? Oh, no. Something I did buys. Prices skyrocket. Then what does Biden do? Oh, no. Something I did is causing a spike in prices. Let's dip into the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is for what? Economic disasters and war and other crises and start pulling out 50 million barrels to try to get the prices down.

This is another signal. It's going to be a it's an entropic failure. It's a downward spiral that's going to slowly spin more and more chaos this move from biden is going to cause more people to be like we are in bad shape prices are probably going to go up because of the action of doing this the what you mentioned the 50 million barrels of crude oil is what two and a half days what lydia got that right we're gonna she got the quiz right so biden thinks putting out two and a half days worth of petroleum is going to help ease prices? It's going to change those prices up.

Remember, Biden also, Bidenomics is kind of interesting. It's like he's pushing this latest $3.5 trillion bill they want to pass, and he's saying that that's going to take inflation down and pay for itself. Now, in in what world would that possibly happen to have like a massive dose of Keynesian spending, which is look, we had a we had a two trillion dollar bill that we were trying to get passed before the election at a time when the economy needed some help. But here's the difference. Our focus was on bringing our manufacturing home.

We were going to spend most of that money as a way of promoting buy American, hire American. And I think you mentioned, Luke, the medicines and things like that. There's a whole chapter in the In Trump Time book about this executive order I wrote on what's called essential medicines and medical countermeasures. And it was a Buy American order to basically bring home all of that stuff we need. The pandemic was a wake-up call to us majority of our medicines and uh also um it things that you need for medical procedures are produced in china china and and some of that stuff is in india like if you take like like medicines there's there's the fixed dosage form which is the end product, which you get. But in between, there's the base chemicals, and then there's the intermediate.

And the base stuff is like really pollution heavy if you're not careful about it. And since India and China are not, they dominate the market. So we're kind of stuck. So when the pandemic hit, like India started, it's like 80 countries, 80 countries began rationing either medicines or machines or both when that pandemic hit. It's like, yeah, it's kumbaya. It's all reasoned together. No, no, no, no, no. Economic nationalism is what happens when the stuff hits the fan.

The United States stole a plane, correct me if I'm wrong, from France that had PPP in it. Do you remember that? That one I don't remember. But I do have a cool one I can tell you from the book. This was like, let's call it the Italian swab job. Remember the Italian job with Mark Wahlberg? Okay, so I'm sitting in my office um uh it's like a friday at late on a friday afternoon just working my butt off because the pandemic was like

going crazy i get a call from health and human services and it's like uh we got a million swabs stuck in the italian alps because they're getting northern italy's just getting hit with a pandemic it's like can you help right so it's like this was the cool part of the job this was really cool it's like all right so i call uh yeah call the sit room the situation room it's like the cool thing about the situation room is like literally you could track down anybody on the planet within five minutes if you need to. It's like, hey, I need Tim Pool. Get his ass on the phone.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Right? They'll find you. You might be playing your guitar or something, don't want to talk to me, but they'll find you. Right? I know the answer to my phone. Anyway.

They'll try. Anyway, so I get the Pentagon to agree to send a plane from the factory, right? And so while it's in the air, I realize that, well, we've got to get the swabs to like six cities. So I call up the CEO of FedEx, tracked him down through the sit room, Fred Smith, and say, hey, Fred, look, we've got to get these swabs out. Can you get us some of your planes? He said, yeah, why don't you divert the plane to Memphis? We'll have six planes waiting for you there. So it's like from the time I got the call to the time we actually landed the swabs in

the six different cities, like 72 hours. It was pretty cool. But that's the kind of stuff we were doing in the middle of the pandemic. One of the other stories in the In Trump Time book is worth sharing. It's like the homicide detectives in New York City were being forced to go in and process people

who were just awful, people who died of covid right but the homicide because there wasn't enough frontline responders uh to do that right and so they're freaking out because they don't have enough uh equipment so so the the chief of police um emails the white house and i got monahan he got pull it up and he goes, you know, help, SOS here. So I called these two really cool folks at General Dynamics

and another company and Phoebe Novakovic in particular and say, hey, can you get me some Tyvek suits? See, these are like the kind of space age type suits, right? And within 15 hours of getting that email, we had 4,000 Tyvek suits coming from all around the country from these two defense contractors.

That's the thing I was so proud of this country when you saw good corporations who would rise to the occasion and then i had to deal with with bad ones as well like pfizer or honeywell who just were in it for the money tim i want to ask you about uh what joe biden was doing a few key points that i've i've brought up and you know with your expertise having worked in this uh worked in the white house and all this stuff so i see jo Joe Biden, more regulations, right? We see him say he wants the Democrats in general, they want to raise wages. They want like, you know, higher minimum wage and all that stuff. And I'm all for people getting paid. I just don't believe that you can just tell people to do it. It happens because there's a big machine of economics. But they want to raise corporate taxes. They want to eliminate tariffs and raise wages.

These three things, correct me if I'm wrong, you end up with a corporation in the United States who says, okay, we're just told by the Biden administration and the Democrats, they want our corporate taxes to go up 5%. So now we're going to lose X dollars per year here in the United States. They also are saying we have to pay more. So now we're going to lose X percent more in rising wages, but they're getting rid of the tariffs. Oh, let's move the factory to China. Then we'll pay people dirt. You got to pay people dirt. We're not going to. Yeah, exactly. And so what Biden has done is he's incentivized these companies to leave and take American jobs. And now the funny thing is people

say, what is Joe Biden done? It's not his fault. It's a pandemic. And I'm like, if you just watch what he's doing, and then we look at this thing with the oil, it's like when the ports got backed up, he announces, we're going to keep these ports up and running 24 seven or whatever you extend the hours. And a lot of people, which didn't address the actual problem that they couldn't do anything with empty shipping containers. But of course, Biden comes out just I'm going to do a thing. And then these people are satisfied by it. They're like, oh, well, you know, Biden's doing stuff. And then nothing changes. Things continue to get worse. At a certain point, Biden's approval rating is in the gutter. I mean, by all almost every polls got him in the 30s at this point.

Independent voters approval rate for independent voters, 24% on civics. He's in the gutter because people are finally waking up and being like, yo, I think these Biden admin people are burning this country to the ground. You know, but he's happy every morning because he looks at the poll numbers and Kamala's below him. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Hey, hey, that's an adult reference there. Kamala doesn't them. That's right. Hey, hey, that's an adult reference there.

Kamala doesn't do it all the time. No, no, no. No, no, no. Her following is below. Yes, yes, yes. To be clear, yes. I think it's somewhere else. Don't want to get the censors out there.

Luke is the one who made that dirty. That was Luke. You can't fault me here. Luke is the one who made that argument. That was Luke. Hey, hey, hey. You can't fault me here. But, Tim, your point is so well taken because, look, again, it's like confusing structural problems with this Keynesian kind of approach to things. It's like here's the only way wages, real wages, go up. It's if people's productivity increases, right? If people's productivity increases, their real wages will go up. If you simply increase the minimum wage

at a time where inflation is going faster than any rise you can do, I mean, workers aren't going to be better off. But if you also, like, raise the corporate tax and you have less investment, as Tim, you point out, the jobs are going off to China and staying here, the productivity goes down as well. So it's like,

the thing is, they just don't understand basic economics. No, no, no, I think he does understand. You said more sensible economic principles in the last half hour than any of the Biden officials have said since they got there. I think they definitely do because if you look at what's been happening, who's been benefiting from this? U.S. billionaires have gotten a 62% raise during the pandemic. There's a large transfer of wealth happening right now from the very poor to the super rich. And who's benefiting?

Who's calling the shots? Well, obviously the billionaires are getting their way. Mom and pop shops were destroyed during the pandemic. While of course, Walmart, Costco, Amazon, all those other big box stores were allowed to be open as we were told two weeks to slow the spread, which was ridiculous. We all sacrificed,

but the other corporations got to do whatever they wanted to do. You want to know what's really amazing? I was reading this op-ed on the economy back in 2019 because the economy was booming. It was huge. I mean, from my personal experience, I tell the story of when we were setting up our first studio, the lady at the furniture store said, 2019 was the best year of my life. People were making money. Our contractor who was doing work in the yard was like the best year I've had. So I'm reading this op-ed and they said that all of these things, the leftists claim they wanted four day work weeks, higher wages, paid vacation, family leave are happening thanks to capitalism and a good economy.

The government need not force it. The machine is working. The policies are working. And then what happens? These leftists say, we demand these things. So when these things start happening, naturally, they vote for Joe Biden, who reverses all of the things that Trump did and then end all of that really great stuff and make a terrible economy occur. So the thing is, if you have good economic policy, the economy starts working. So it's coming back. The machine starts churning. You get to lubricate the gears, get

them going. And when you have bad policy, you put gum in the works, things slow down and fall apart. These leftists seem to think, I know people should be paid more money. I know we'll force people to pay them more money as if that manifests money or economic value or labor value. It doesn't. So when they came in with the hammer to try and bash the system, which was already doing what they wanted, they broke it. Let me introduce a concept here, which I think would be useful to your viewers. They call them service sector refugees. It's kind of at the heart of the pandemic shock that we're facing that's going to create stagflation, which is simultaneous inflation and slow growth or recession.

And if you think about what the pandemic has done, it's been like a neutron bomb to our major metropolitan areas. If you think about it, it hits like the core foundation of major cities. It's like the mass transit. It's the entertainment districts. But most of all, it's the high-rise office buildings, right? And so we've gone from a world where in New York or Dallas or Chicago, the high-rise buildings were at 90% occupancy rate or higher. Now, they're down, like, to Kamala's approval rating, like 29%, 30%, stuff like that.

Now, think about this. It's like the white-collar folks, to your point, as to who's, like, winning in the pandemic economy, the white-collar folks are sitting out in the burbs, right, commuting on their little iPads or whatever they've got. They're living okay, right, although they might have to have tofu for turkey, but that's another story. But those people who used to be part of the eco-structure of the cities,

the janitors in the buildings, the trucks outside, the food trucks, the beauticians, this, that, and the other thing, they don't have anywhere to go. And moreover, they don't have the skills to transit. So we've got this weird thing, Tim, where you've got like 10 million or so people unemployed and 10 million or so job openings. That is weird. And so I get back to the central tenets of the Trump administration, which is buy American, hire American. If we don't build more of what we consume here, and help train those people, those service sector refugees are simply going to fade away into oblivion.

And by the way, I mean, the millennials, as Bannon loves to point out on the War Room, are turning into like modern-day serfs. Like, you're not going to own a car. You're not going to own a home. But, you know, you can put that virtual reality thing on your head, and life looks pretty good there for a while where you stone out on some Maui Waui. I would love to ask you this because in the beginning of

Trump's presidency, he was kind of battling with the Federal Reserve. He was clashing heads with the Federal Reserve. Obviously, the Federal Reserve has been printing money out of thin air. That's why this kind of promotion of GMO Monsanto soybeans is absolutely ridiculous. They shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice.

They should stop printing money out of thin air. But what was going on with the Trump administration with, of course, them just literally printing money during the pandemic and giving it to all the hedge funds, giving it to all the Wall Street bankers, giving them a huge bailout? Well, another shameless plug in Trump time, but there is a great story about Jerome Powell in there,

and it goes something like this so um it comes time to appoint a new fed chairman it was either going to be janet yellen give her another term or somebody else right and so treasury secretary steve mnuchin who i uh who i state flat out in the in Trump Time book, if he had never come to the administration, Donald Trump would still be president. Wow. This guy did, breaking news here too, this guy did so much damage. But one of the things he did was he was the guy who recommended J. Powell get appointed, right?

And he did it under the assumption, because Steve's a control freak, he thought he can control Jay Powell. Now, Jerome Powell did something that is kind of contrary to what you just said, but I'll come back to you being right. What we were doing with our four points of that economic compass I described earlier is we were able to grow much more faster than the Biden-Obama regime and do so without inflation. The only reason why the Fed should raise interest rates or tighten the money supply is if there's any hint of inflation. What Jerome Powell did, that SOB, he ran contractionary monetary policy in the middle

of the beautiful Trump boom under the false assumption that somehow there was going to be inflation. So in our time, on our watch, as I talk about in the book, he was too contractionary. We could have hit 4% growth instead of 3% growth, and that's a million job difference. So fast forward now, right? It's like he is Biden's guy now. He's auditioning for the job. What does Biden want? Biden wants easy money to stimulate the economy. But what Powell is doing is contrary again to the facts in evidence. Tim, as he starts doing all the stuff you're talking about in terms of Biden undoing what Trump did, that's provoking all manner of inflation. You add to that the pandemic shocks. And basically, let me go back to the 70s. The 70s stagflation came about because of profligate fiscal policy. Check that box here with all that Congress is doing.

What Arthur Burns did for Nixon in monetary policy as the chairman of the Fed was to print money and be too expansionary. That's exactly what Jay Powell's doing now. Check that box. And then what kicked off the stagflation

was the cost push food and energy price shocks of the 70s, and we got the same thing here. And by the way, you mentioned this earlier, Tim, and you were absolutely right. If energy prices go up, guess what? Food prices go up because things like fertilizer, which are energy-driven, go up.

And by the way, delivering the food and other things go up. So Jay Powell, he's a pox on this world, and the fact that we're going to see him for another term, I mean, Trump couldn't wait to get rid of that guy. We sat around scheming all the time about how, if we could take him out before his term was up. And whenever I wanted to troll that frigging Mnuchin in the Oval, I'd look at the boss and say,

Boss, who was that who wanted Jay Powell at the Fed? So the other thing too, it's not just inflation. It's shrinkflation where products get smaller. Oh, yes. But now we actually, we have this story, I mean, from timcast.com. And I got to tell you, you know,

this is typically not something I think would be a big story. But look at this. General Mills to raise prices by 20%. That's a big deal. 20%. Yeah. That is massive.

So you want to talk about your kids having cereal in the morning? Yeah. You know what really, really grinds my gears? When I've been saying over and over again for the past several years, like you need to stand up for what you believe in now. You need to get out there. You need to advocate for what you want to see in this world. Peaceful, persuasive, resourceful. And I get people saying like,

if I speak up at my job, then I'll lose my job. And you don't understand, I got kids to feed. Tell me now, as the food shortages, with the price increases, with the shrinkflation, and they're going to raise the price. Your rice checks, your Cheerios, the kid wakes up for a bowl of cereal and now you're wondering why it's 20%

more. But not only that, the boxes are smaller and you're buying twice as often. And the food banks are reporting that they're even having a hard time feeding people because of the inflation, because of the supply chain shortages. So Peter, I was going to ask you, how bad does it get? I'm always looking for the silver lining here. It's like parents will

need to buy fewer diapers because they won't be able to feed the kid as much. Actually, wait, wait. And by the way, wait, wait. There's one more point there. You don't got to worry about buying new clothes for your kids when they get bigger. Yeah, they're not going to grow as they don't eat.

Thank you very much. We do have an obesity crisis. But Peter, how bad does this get? Where does this... Oh, this is what I'm concerned about. And again, I get back to Lydia's question and point. It's like, got a lot of miles on this bod. I have never seen it as bad. This is like the 70s on steroids.

And so the way the 70s evolved, that literally, as we came in from, it started with Lyndon Johnson in 68 with the refusal of choosing between the Vietnam War expenditures and the Great Society. Okay, there's this concept in economics called guns versus butter. It's like you have to choose one or the other in some combination in order to maintain the budget. It's like LBJ was, nah, we're not going to do it. We're going to do both. Right, so that's what, that was the fiscal stimulus that began the whole process. So this whole stagflation didn't end until 1981. And the way it ended was brutal.

In 1980, when Reagan ran against Carter, there was this thing called the misery index. It was inflation rate plus unemployment. And it was 20% by the time that election rolled around. Mortgage rates were like 13% and 15%. I mean, this is like stuff that's not in your – the people who are viewing and listening to this show can't even imagine this. Because they've grown up in an era of like 2 three four percent mortgage rates no no no no this like they were like 12 and 15 percent no my parents tell me this yes they're like when you were a little kid it was like 12 yeah it's crazy stuff so the way the way it was fixed uh and this is instructive was it was in two ways pa Paul Volcker came along as Federal Reserve

Chairman, never confused Paul Volcker with Jerome Powell, and he induced the mother of all recessions to wring inflationary expectations out of the economy. And the only reason why that worked is because Reagan came along and did all the structural kind of changes that we've been talking about, guys. And that basically reset the economy, and then we went off on our 80s boom. But that'll be a hard trick to redo because it requires both a smart Fed chairman and somebody as president who understands kind of the structural changes this could go on for a decade i mean we're at 28 trillion i think is the deficit right now he's looking at printing three trillion more to put it to 31 how do you with the amount of having

to pay uh interest on that i don't see it ever being able to come back from this at this point where it's like other than like um i don't know, economic default or something. Like, we'll default on the U.S. dollar and create a new currency or something. This is like Pelosi's Hail Mary and big Go Brand into the world here. Because if she gets away with this latest bill, this last piece of the multi-trillion dollar

pipe dream progressive socialist Marxist cut a puzzle because there's nothing in that bill that will strengthen the economy to be clear it's mostly a redistribution and it's a subsidy to China because they're all the ones that are going to be providing the electric vehicle stuff okay let's be clear if they are able to get this one across the finish line you're absolutely right that this this will be with us and our children and our grandchildren forever. So there's a lot, a lot at stake here. And it's like I think right now that we're virtually assured of the Republicans taking back the House, but it may be too late. But the other thing I'll say about that is like right now, I'm a Trump guy, right? I'm a MAGA guy. I'm a deplorables guy, right? But there's a battle

in the Republican Party itself between the rhino corporatist party of Davos Republicans represented by Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Liz Cheney, Ben Sasse, Pat Toomey, those folks, Mitt Romney, versus the Trumpers, who really want things like secure borders, fair trade, buy American, manufacturing here. And if we lose that battle, if we win the House in 22, and McConnell and McCarthy are still leaders we've lost the house let me ask you

you say you're a MAGA guy, deplorable guy a lot of people are saying there's going to be a red tsunami because at this point I think a lot of regular Americans are ready to vote for a ham sandwich over the Democrats but like you said if we don't primary a lot of these establishment neocon types

then it's all going to be for nothing. But there is the big question. You mentioned Carter and Reagan, the misery index. Reagan came in and against Carter wasn't like a major blowout election. He's just swept ridiculously well, I believe, right? I think that was that election. Wasn't that 84? No, that was 80.

80, okay. It was 80? 80, yeah. Soter was in at 76 it was kind of interesting i want to ask you uh yeah based on what you saw then and what's happening now first is trump running we've all heard that he is but you know i'm interested in what you think and do you think trump would landslide i mean it figuratively internet like will he have a they take it so literally like dude said trump landslide it's a it's a figurative statement about trump winning very very well do you think trump if he does do you think he's going to run and if he does do you think he'll just smash through the election um look i i think

that in 22 we have uh the prospect of picking up the largest amount of seats, the largest swing ever, that it will make the Gingrich revolution look quaint by comparison. But the one thing I know in politics is that short time frames. I mean, 2024 is a long, long time. Wait, everybody around here, are you assuming that it's going to be Biden or Kamala? I mean, what about Gavin Newsom? They might even dust off Cuomo or who knows what, you know,

Matt McConaughey might run. Or, you know, the one I think that, okay, let me make a bold prediction here. I'll be back here in 2024. Michelle Obama. Yeah. That's what I've been saying. I think my money's on Buttigieg. I thought they'd do Michelle Obama in 2020 because I can't believe they tried Biden.

Yeah. Well, they got it. No, but let's all remember how Biden got there because this was, I take it, you're more of a Bernie bro. Not really, no. How dare you? Peter, you just insulted me more than you can ever imagine. You hurt my feelings.

You look like a Bernie bro. You should have wore the Gadsden flag. I will never recover from this. Were you a Trump guy in 2016? Hang on. Come on. In 2016? I don't like any of them.

I don't like politicians. I mean, obviously. Ron Paul. Were you involved politically in 2016? I don't like politics. Come on. Were you involved? He'd vote for Ron Paul.

That's who he'd vote for. Yeah. If anyone. Fair enough. Yeah. If anyone. So if you get a Trump and a Hillary, Luke's going to still vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Or Man Bear. My point is simply that Biden was an accident of history engineered by Wall Street and the big corporations via Claiborne in South Carolina. Let us remember that Sanders was the frontrunner going in South Carolina. Let us remember that Sanders was the front runner going into South Carolina.

And he said something stupid. And they were able to jujitsu Biden. And he became the guy. I mean, I've always thought that they want him in there just for a year and then they put Kamala in, thinking that Kamala would perform better than she has. But at this point, this is why the Michelle Obama thing,

it's like, you've got to run somebody like that. Or Oprah or somebody. I think if Michelle Obama runs against Trump, it will be a Michelle Obama landslide. Figurative landslide. Oh, speaking of, Reagan beat Carter 50% to 41%. No, but what was the electoral vote?

It was a red flag. 489 to 49. Wow. 489 to 49. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A major, major swing. Yeah.

I was shorting cardigan sweaters going into the election. And Michelle, you brought up a good point with Michelle Obama, because I've been talking about this for a long time. This was essentially ensure that Barack Obama could have control of the White House for more than just the eight years that he was there in office. Four years with, of course, Biden, because Biden, of course, talks to Obama. Biden is helping him with this presidency. He would, of course, have eight years probably with Michelle Obama. So we're talking about an indefinite policymaking by Barack Obama, which I think would be absolutely devastating for the country.

The thing that we've got to solve in this country is the control of the media, right? Because that's how they maintain power. And this is, again, when I get back to loving what you do, Tim, and this diaspora of libertarian conservative, like, truth to power kinds of folks out there who are dealing in facts, evidence, data, receipts, signal, not noise. It's just got to keep growing. And I think that you're seeing like, for example, with Fox News, right? It's a cable.

Everybody's plugged into cable and the demographic is way old, right? And as that demographic fades away, literally, this will be your time because people are no longer doing cable anymore. They have all these different ways of going it. But that'll be, I mean, if Michelle Obama runs in 2024, whether she wins is going to be a lot determined by how powerful CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and all those folks are. Google and Facebook.

Yeah, let's not forget that. I mean, in the In Trump Time book, I go deeply into the power of the social media oligarchs in Silicon Valley and how it's just such a corrosive element. I remember there was a tactical, Gary. This isn't in the In Trump Die book, but it's worth talking about. It's like Zuckerberg came to the White House on a couple of occasions, and it was Kushner who backed policy up from cracking down on the big talk. Yeah, yeah.

We were, there was like a wing of us in the White House who wanted to do that. And as so often it was on things like China or social media, Jared, in his naivete, thought he could romance Zuckerberg. And meanwhile, Zuckerberg, I don't know if you know this stat, but he spent over half a billion dollars in the six battleground states alone, which was more than what the Trump campaign spent.

So these guys, you know, it's like when you, it's kind of like on Black Friday when you buy Made in China, you're basically supporting their military. When you go on Facebook or whatever and participate in all that, you do enhance the power of Zuckerberg, of Dorsey at Twitter, Pichai at Google, and that would be fine if Section 230 were not in place and they couldn't use their mechanisms. Now, Kushner made a lot of very bad policies, especially when it came to Saudi Arabia, negotiating for them to get a better weapons deal.

But I kind of wanted to ask you, since you were there on the ground, do you think anyone in the White House legitimately believed in the two weeks to slow the spread since I think we're on day 659 of that right now? And do you guys have any regrets about warp speed? Okay, let's unpack that a little bit. Let's talk about the lockdown. Let's remember where we were. End of January, there were three people in the White House who were taking the pandemic seriously. Talk about this in the In Trump Time book. It was me, the president, and Robert O'Brien, the national security advisor, along with his deputy, Matt Potts. Okay? and the National Security Advisor, along with his deputy, Matt Potts. And if you look at kind of the history of this, it wouldn't be until March. It wouldn't be until March that people began to take it seriously,

both Pelosi, de Blasio, Cuomo, those folks. It's like, hey, everything's fine. Fauci, everything's fine. And within the White House itself, I was fighting Mnuchin. I was fighting Mark Short, Mulvaney, the chief of staff. Right. So so when it hit, it's like I remember Kudlow. It's like this is basic math. Right. It's like Larry goes into a staff meeting. This, again, is in the interim by book because we got this under control.

Everything's minimal. And there's only a few cases. And I'm going, okay, so this is kind of like basic math. If you got four cases today and it's going to double, then you got eight cases next day. It's like, and then say, how long is it before you got a pandemic in the country, right? This is what they didn't understand. So when this thing hit, we had our cupboards were bare right for ppe right we've been left with with no gloves whatever it's just not there and we didn't know what we had and this was so important it's like we didn't know whether this looks like

smallpox with what they call the r not like seven, which means for every person who gets infected, seven more get infected, or whether it's more like the flu where it's like an R-naught of one, right? So the lockdown was a knee-jerk response in the fog of war to something we weren't sure were there. So you can't really honestly monday morning quarterback that was that hold on hold on but this is a federal you're talking about uh you're asking about a federal

question but the lockdowns were state level well no trump even actually came out later and said you know they shouldn't do this but i can't control them pence where the stop the spread was a 15 day kind of thing where they asked everybody. But here's the thing. I was one of the first, and there's a New York Times article about this, who I quickly realized, okay, so here's what's going to happen. You got two scenarios here. One is like you lock everybody down and you get, okay, so you slow the rate of infection, okay? But when you're doing that, so you slow the rate of infection, okay?

But when you're doing that, some other things happen, right? You have a tremendous hit on the economy, and we had the biggest recessionary drop in our history in that. So that's a problem. But the other part of the problem is that people who are locked down can't go to hospitals to get kidney dialysis, cancer treatments, breast biopsies, colonoscopies. And by the way, if you lock people up like rats in a cage, they're going to start taking more drugs, drinking more, and eating more,

and their health is going to deteriorate. So that's something that the Fauciites never clearly understood. They're knee-jerk. And so there became, as we began to realize that, there became the idea where, no, no, no, we've got to learn how to open this up. And then like the best model here, really, ex post, is the Sweden model. Sweden just went for herd immunity. They didn't mask their kids. They didn't shut down. They just went for it.

And right now, they're having relatively lower rates of infection than the rest of Europe. But, I mean, we didn't know a lot of that at the time. But was it Trump, Fauci, or Pence making these decisions? Or was it a combination of them three? Because a lot of people were bewildered why Fauci was still there for so long. Yeah. To be honest with you.

Let me do this. Okay. This is me talking to the president. This is me may or may not be telling the president to fire Fauci twice. Okay? On the cover of the book. Yes. Yes.

And I did tell the president to fire Fauci twice. And once after my showdown in Chapter 2 in the sit room over the China travel ban, which he was adamantly opposed to, and the president sent me to argue there on behalf. But to your point, Luke, here's the problem I had. And I always felt like custard, like in the White House, right? So in this case, you had two forces in favor of Fauci. You had the big four at the health care agencies. It was Hahn at the FDA, you had Redfield at the CDC. You had Collins at the NIH. You had Azar, Secretary of Health and Human Services. They're all going like Fauci's the best thing since sliced bread.

Got to keep him. Okay. That could have been overcome. But the other problem we had was the coward in the Chief of Staff office, acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. And he and the press corps were, no, no, no. Can't fire Faucici too much blowback and i'm going like churchill about hitler it's like no no no no no it's like you got to strangle that fauci baby in the crib take the hit rip the band-aid off do it but you know i clearly i lost

on that one and and and fauci and you know he's he's he's's in charge of everything now. But he was like demonstrably trying to take out President Trump with what I called his passive aggressive behavior. And he was I was the only guy who fought him, Luke. You go back and look at the history. I almost got fired once for it. And the true story. And it's like I was right every time I challenged him, whether it was on the traffic ban. Especially in hindsight with him doing the studies that we're going to be talking about later in the bonus section in an area where we could discuss this in a bigger deal. But there's a lot of things that we could get into.

And thank you for providing such insight into this because this is leaving a lot of people asking what was going on what was happening here one other thing that i that i emphasize in the in trump time book is that pence never ever should have been in charge of that task force yeah that was a stupid scientific and political decision because he was too close to the oval office right what you needed and as i argue in the in the interim time book it's like you wanted somebody who was tough smart who could appeal to both sides of the aisle and would deliver this thing whiskey straight no chaser because look like it's the the mel gibbs one of the mel gibbs and movies like men will die you know people are americans are going to die right and there's going to be a lot of them or or less dying But people are going to die no matter what you do. So that's not a winning hand. So what you have to do is you have to get your best people in charge and keep politics out of it. And that's we did not do that. And it gave Fauci in particular an opportunity to manipulate public opinion.

I mean, every time his approval rating went up, the bosses went down. You know, there's something wrong with that. There's something wrong with that. He struck me as like an old guard general, like a World War I general that was still on staff when World War II broke out. And you immediately realize, like you put him in charge and he makes a blunder, and you realize he's not able, he's not qualified to lead anymore. You've got to immediately remove him and put in a young new general. And I'm still waiting for that to happen. So do you think it was the influence of all these four horsemen that you detailed that kept Fauci in there?

Or do you think there was something else that kept him in there? No, it was a combination. It was initially the four horsemen, literally, of the pandemic, right, in the health care bureaucracy. But as Fauci gained purchase in his perch there and his approval rating was high, he had what we call a high Q rating in TV and things like that. That's where the Mulvaney Second Act came in, where Mulvaney was too afraid to fire him. And the press people were like, they were like, they just like, they were like frozen in fear with the idea of taking him on. It's like, no, no, no, no.

So that, you know, that's, I mean, I hope I can provide you with a background. That's the fun part about the In Trump Time book. It literally is the definitive insider's account of what happened there. Because I was there. I kept a journal. Most of the time I was a participant. Sometimes I was observer. But a lot of these stories people just don't understand as to what happened and how it happened.

For example, Pence's chief of staff, Mark Short. I mean, one of the reasons why you did not want Mike Pence running the task force is his chief of staff, Mark Short, did not believe there was a pandemic that he thought this was just kind of the flu. I mean, how can you get a task force moving in Trump time to deal with what this what the crisis that we were facing if the guy in charge, de facto, didn't believe there was a problem. And by the way, there's a funny story that's darkly funny in the In Trump Time book

about this guy, Mark Short. I mean, early on, think about this. Think about this. Short decides to send Pence out on Air Force Two out to the Seattle area where the pandemic just was was was developing like people are dying left and right in a nursing home and he thinks it's a good idea for pence to go out there now you might be thinking yeah of course we sent our president or vice president out into hurricane

zones or tragedies or whatever but but you don't do that in a pandemic and here's why it's like it's not just pence going out there it's it's all the staff it's all the secret service agent agents it's the advanced staff and guess what next day where are they they're back at the white house right and you have the the golden opportunity thank you communist china to wipe out effectively the the the top level of government. It was insane. And that vice president's office had the highest rate of infection of any unit within the White House because of Mark Short and his stupidity. Mark Short made the decision to send the vice president into a pandemic hot zone?

Yes. Wow. He's the chief of staff. I mean, look, look, look look let me say this i i love mike okay i had a great relationship with him there's no there's no sour grapes bitterness here one time there's a great story in the trump time book about after i i did a a tilt with jake tapper one sunday right which was particularly vitriolic as it always is with Tapper. I go in the Oval and we're all standing around and Mike does this wonderful impression of me during the debate with my hand gestures

and everything like that. It was hilarious. I had a really warm relationship with him. But when Mark Short took over as Chief of Staff midway through the four years, it was like this iron curtain descended over mike and you you could no longer speak to him before that i would brief him regularly he was open stuff he always read the stuff he did mark short comes along he just walls the guy off and for all for

the wrong all the wrong reasons so that was all the more reason. There's a great, again, another story in the interim time book about how I'm the guy, as the Defense Production Act coordinator, I had like five warehouses surrounded with FBI agents and Bill Barr on my side to crack down on these SOBs who were price gouging. We were ready to raid them to send a strong signal to anybody who was going to take advantage in the pandemic that they were going to suffer severe consequences. Guess what? Mark Short and the Vice President's counsel, Greg Jacob, prevented us from doing that. Wow. Yeah, I was like, what are you guys doing? Why are you doing this? This is crazy. Bar, I go to bar. I go, Bill, it's like, why can't we do this?

And he goes, well, it's the vice president's office. It's like, what can you do? Well, I called him. It's like, no, this was crazy. So this guy, I'm into like homages and things like that. So there's a lot of that in there. But this was a Shakespearean tragedy. And there's a character in Othello, Iago, who for his own, quote, peculiar ends, betrays his principle.

Right. And this was what Mark Short did. basically controlled Pence on the behalf of the Koch network, which is the dark money network of conservative money that loves certain aspects of the Trump agenda, which is deregulation and tax cuts, but loathes secure borders and fair trade because that prevents them from offshoring. These were the guys in the midst. Mnuchin, Wall Street, Goldman Sachs screwing everything up.

Mark Short, Koch Network, Larry Kudlow, Wall Street. It's very interesting. The president, greatest president in modern history, to be clear. But a lot of what he did, he did it in spite of who worked for him rather than because of it. Let's go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, get your Super Chats in. We'll take your questions.

Smash the Like button. Become a member at TimCast.com because we're going to have that members segment coming up around 11 or so p.m. But let's see what all of you guys have to say. Speaking to turkeys, we have this from The Squid who says, Turkey sucks anyway. Let's all have ham and all the rest of the normal foods. Turkey is bland and disgusting compared to anything else you can have. How dare you?

I love turkey. I love turkey too. You've got to make it moist. Dry turkey is a little – Look, you slice it and you make a sandwich. It's delicious. You've got to make sure it's salted properly. Granted, I'm not eating any bread for the most part anymore.

Try the fryer. You cook it right, it tastes good. You cook it wrong, it's good. You cook it wrong, it's like... You know what I've learned? I've learned when people say stuff like broccoli sucks or spinach sucks

or turkey sucks, you're just cooking it wrong. Yep. It's that simple. Salt, vinegar, oil, man. There were wars. How many human beings died over making food taste good?

East India Trading Company's like, peppercorn! They're like shooting. My favorite expression from my three years in the Peace Corps was work hard, rice delicious. Yeah. Rice delicious? Well, meaning that if you work hard during the day,

your food will taste good. Lex Freeman posted on Instagram, what we think people from the 14th century would be mind blown by and it shows like iPhones and what they'd really be mind blown by

it shows a bunch of spices on the shelf of the grocery store. All right, Jay says, soy turkey is a no-go. My mom has developed a soy and soy extract allergy severe enough

for her throat to swell shut. Yikes, man. Keep your mom safe and hydrated well it's all frankenstein it's all gmo just just get the real turkey we got a 25 pound turkey because we went to the farm and they asked us you know like what are you looking for and i said i want your biggest turkey and they were like well get you the biggest one and i was like okay and then we showed up and they were like second biggest and i was like you you i should but it's it's huge it's huge and after as they were handing it to us i was like, you, you, I should, but it's, it's huge. It's huge.

And after, as they were handing it to us, I was like, I don't know if that will fit in the oven. It's not going to fit. And they were like, just take all the racks out and just figure it out. And I'm like,

Oh man, but it's going to take like 12 hours to cook. And we are going to have one heck of a turkey, man. All right. Kyle Miller says, Tim, how long until you get trump on

you know we've talked to people not trump but people you know in trump's circle and what we've basically been told is there's absolutely no way trump would sit down for two and a half hours on a show like this long time so it will never happen no it could happen we go to mar-a-lago that's not this show happening that's us doing like a special sit-down half an hour with Trump. Yeah, like an hour. There's no way – we were told this by multiple people that Trump would come here, sit down, hang out for a couple hours. And they were like, if you would get an interview, it would be like what Barstool Sports did. I think – like Dave Portnoy did that interview with him, right?

Yeah, pretty sure. Yeah, you'd show up. You'd sit down. He'd eventually be like, okay, I think we're out of time. Have a nice day. Thanks for coming. It's been a blast. What'd you get?

Well, I would like to point out if you want to be president for four years, then you can sit down for two hours and talk. He's a busy man. Trump doesn't need to come here and do that to be president. Hey, man, if you have patience, you have patience. But maybe one of our guests on the show will one day be president. Oh, I would doubt it. Got a lot of people who are political, a lot of politicians.

And hey, some of these people are pretty young, like late 20s, maybe in 30 years. We'll be like, wow, I can't believe that guy is on my show. Nice, running for president. I also bet we could get Trump talking and continue talking. And I think it would go on a little bit longer than expected. And I think it would be a lot of fun and it would be a very important conversation. So someone mentioned like there was a way if you watch the media interviews trump's done to get him going and not stop was to say he did something wrong or something like that and then have him just get

into heavy details perfect yeah i don't know does that make you think i'm saying out of this there's a reason why i survived five years as the president right i i would i would love to have that conversation i have a lot of critical things I would like to address. No, no. See, the thing about Trump is that I'm pretty sure if you, Luke, were like, what's up with the deal with Saudi Arabia? He'd be like, listen to me. I'll tell you what happened with Saudi Arabia. And he'd just go off.

Yeah, good. We want that. We need that. We want to get a perspective that the mainstream media didn't ask him. The mainstream media was going off on lunatic assertions that had no basis in reality. If there was some actual constructive criticism, I think he would want to listen to it and want to have a conversation about it.

I think so, personally. I think you're right. And about industrialization, yeah. Cheeseburger says, Tim, please, can we just ignore the corporate media now? Colbert, et cetera. Let's just do our own thing and ignore the evildoers. Timcast is a corporation.

Timcast is a corporation, but corporate media is a reference to conglomerates. Not a small 30-person company. We're not even as big as Daily Wire. But the thing about Colbert is what's happening is you have a lot of regular people waking up. They go to the store and a turkey, which cost $20 last year, is $50 this year. And they're like, whoa, $50 if they can get one. There's a lot of areas where you get these high profile blue checks. They're tweeting out pictures like,

look at all these turkeys. And then you've got middle America places where people have no turkeys and they're like, what is this? The craziness about what the media is doing right now is they're constantly just Potemkin supermarketing everything that's going on, Potemkin gas prices. They're saying, look how cheap it is here. Look at all the wonderful abundance here. Then regular people are sitting in their empty living room with their empty fridge just being like, what is going on? But it keeps a lot of people in those areas under wraps.

Let's not forget the Jimmy Carter cardigan sweater moment. What was that i wasn't alive oh you don't know about this yeah i was not living so so let me take you back to the 70s um because my first job um was in the department of energy and my job was to figure out how to get us off foreign oil because we never imagined we could do what we did under President Trump, which has become energy independent. So what happened, Tim, back in those days to start the stagflation was OPEC cartel basically through the Saudis did an embargo on the American people. And they had two separate oil embargoes where the price of oil went from, you know,

30 bucks to 100 bucks overnight. There were large gas lines. I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of that. And at the same time, we were having food price shocks. So Carter gets elected because of the misery associated with what was happening. And his solution is not to drill more oil or crack down on the Saudis or whatever. It was like wear more cardigan sweaters and freeze in your home.

That's right. And so he gave this famous speech where he's sitting and the lights are dark. And he's like, look, the lights are like dark and he's got like who he's like look he's guys like a former navy nuclear guy he's got no sense of like look at this beautiful studio here if he'd done it in this studio he might have got away with it and had like like christmas like gears on his on the sweater but no it was like a really dark vision people go i don't want to live in that america And so, I mean, here we go. It's like the tofu Thanksgiving.

I don't want to live in that America. So this could be Biden's cardigan-sweating moment. You heard it here first on the Tim Pool show. I would love to see Joe Biden. Three days before Thanksgiving. Joe Biden comes out tomorrow, the day before Thanksgiving, because news, you know, don't eat turkeys. People are complaining. He says, listen, tofurkey is delicious.

Americans are strong. They don't eat turkeys. Eat your soy, America. And then everyone's going to be like approval rating just drops. Although he might go up a little bit in Iowa, right? Where they make the soy. They're going to be like, yeah, soy. Tofurkey stock. All right. Where they make the soy? Yes. They're going to be like, yeah, soy. Woo. So perky stock.

All right. Junior V says, I cannot wait to see how the mainstream media spins the Black Friday mob robberies of stores and innocent shoppers. Oh, yeah. Did you see what's happening in San Francisco with the people? Like 25 cars pull up, 80 people run into, what was it, Nordstrom or something? Yeah, Nordstrom. And then in Union Square at like a Louis Vuitton,

they're raiding buildings because they're getting away with it. It's close to home. My CVS, which is like right beside the building where I live in D.C., just closed because of all the vandalism and the theft at the thing. So it's like – Best Buy is taking a hit. Their stock took a major hit because of the mass at the thing. So it's like... Best Buy has taken a hit. Their stock took a major hit because of the mass robberies. Yeah.

So I'll tell you this. You know what I see happening? I just think the country's collapsing. There is that. We're in a 50-50 country right now and the progressives have been in the ascendancy and everything they're doing undermines us economically, socially, culturally.

And boy, are people fed up with that in the flyover country in Main Street. Again, to Lydia's point, look, I've never seen nothing like this. Like during the Vietnam War, okay, the kinds of demonstrations that happened in Washington was was massive. It's like stuff that happened. And now with the BLM, whatever around the White House, that was mild compared to what you saw in D.C. But but it was in terms of size or violence in terms of size. But that's it. The violence back in the 60s there were huge crowds but there there

was not the kind of violence that you're seeing so you have that that kind of difference and then um you got the 70s stagflation we're going to really experience that again you know the 80s was relatively prosperous the 90s were uh the some of the bet yeah that was like the boom of the decade yeah it's like so this is we're we're we're way outside in pandemic remember the last pandemic we had was 1918 yeah with the flu and this one look one of the things one of the things um in the interim time book is book was my quest to write an executive order which would have gotten to the bottom of how the virus came to America. And we've done presidential commissions for Pearl Harbor get the original genome of the virus from communist China at the time, we could have got a vaccine that would have been more sophisticated and quicker than we did. So it's not insignificant that we weren't able to do that.

So I don't think we get to the end of the pandemic until we understand the beginning of it. And I think that's a fair question that everybody should have on their mind. All right, we're going to read

this one from Red Rumax. He says, UK is advertising crickets and cheeseburgers on public transport. I saw a huge post on the tube today. Could not believe my eyes. Now, I will say we cooked a cricket bread.

Remember, Ian? Yes. And it was not good. No. Cricket bread? Not the best. It was cricket flour. Crickets ground up into powder.

It has to be croissant, boys. Yeah, we should have made a cricket croissant. They know nothing here. Come on, everybody knows that. Cricket flour is basically just milled cricket, and it doesn't have anything in it. It doesn't have anything in it that functions like bread. Does it have as much protein as tofurkey? Probably more.

The problem is it's got an astringent flavor to it. So if we've done right, I would say it was not good. It was food, and I will tell you this. stringent flavor to it. So if done right, I would say it was not good. It was food. And I will tell you this. If like I went in the kitchen and there was nothing and there was cricket bread, I'd eat it and I would not be upset. Yeah, we made it in a bread maker. But for sure, if you made like a no-bake bread with some sugar, some salt, you can make it

taste really, really good. Is there the underlying question of why? Why do we do it? Well, so when the cicadas came... It's like, should I go to the moon or make cricket bread? Well, they're advertising eating cricket. They're telling everybody to eat bugs. Who's doing that?

In the UK, they got advertising everywhere. The media was saying all last year, eat cicadas. And I'm like, please don't eat bugs. There was a restaurant in Leesburg, Virginia that was picking cicadas off the wall in their backyard and serving it to people. And the health department said you can't take bugs off the ground and sell it to people. And CNN was like, oh, look at all the people eating cicadas.

Yeah. You combine the proteins in Guinness stout and the crickets and somehow in England it tastes better. That's what you were missing. Or preferably you drink like six bottles of Guinness stout before you eat the crickets. Do you know the story? Drink hard, crickets delicious.

Do you guys know the story about Guinness? Yeah. I read this in one of those trivia books and it may not be true but there's this book and it, the story of Guinness. They used to have the big vats where they make the, whatever you call them, where they make the booze, right, make the beer. And when sanitation became a thing around the Industrial Revolution,

they cleaned everything out. When they started brewing the beer again, people noticed it didn't taste as good. Something was missing. And so they didn't understand what was missing, so they, you know, checked, and they were like, everything's the same. But what they didn't realize, and again, this may not be true. I just read it in a book. I'm saying it's very careful because I don't want you to.

What happened was rats would climb into the vats to drink it and then drown and die and sink to the bottom and then decay. So they replaced it with fish oil and it brought the flavor back or whatever. I don't know if that's true again. I read it in a weird book. Lydia, you are a lovely shade of green for the holidays. Oh, gross. Thank you. Who needs a Christmas tree when you've got Lydia? Strong.

Yeah, right. Thank you. Thank you for that. Here we go. Joshua says, Tim, don't worry about the turkey shortage. You can still buy a rotisserie chicken at Costco for $4.99. That's right. I mean, hey, how about instead of a turkey, everybody gets a rotisserie chicken?

Yeah, I like that. Why is it a chicken? But it's half the size it was last year. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean, hey, how about instead of a turkey, everybody gets a rotisserie chicken. Yeah, I like that. Why is it a chicken? But it's half the size it was last year. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Right, they're getting smaller. Well, we got our own chickens, but we're not going to eat them. That's right. We got about 15 chickens now.

Those $5 chickens are probably modified and injected with something. Yeah, I don't think they're the same DNA as actual chickens. Are they laying hens you have? Is that what you do? We have 10 laying hens. We have, I think, seven laying hens, and then we have three pullets. Actually, they may be. Yeah, they're pullets.

They're not quite adult yet. And then we've got one rooster and then three, no, four other cockerels. Do they wake you up in the morning? They wake you up. The rooster does, yeah, although I'm starting to sleep through it. I talked to my mom last night. I got these chokers for the roosters where you put them around their neck and then they go – so they don't really scream very much.

She was like, that's so cruel. Yeah, we can't do it. It reinforced I don't want to – I'd rather just tough it out. I read too many horror stories where like what happens, they have heart attacks. The roosters will try and like freak out. I'm going to let the rooster do his thing. We'll move him to the farm eventually, I think, is the plan. So, yeah, we're going to be moving the Black Stars and Dorothy to the new place. So they can have their own little chicken life.

Chicken heaven. But we got the most luxurious chicken coop. It's amazing. It's Chicken City. It's massive. These chickens are 1% of chickens, man. Protected. They got this hanging water thing.

They got their food. Is there chicken races out there or anything? What was that? Chicken races. No, no. But we're actually in the process of setting up Chicken City live show. So we're going to have cameras all over. You got to see.

It's massive. It's massive. It's underneath this lighthouse. And it's really huge. So we're going to put cameras everywhere. And they're all going to live stream. And the cameras will rotate periodically. And then people will be able to go to the live stream 24-7 to watch the chickens do

their chicken thing. So I got an idea for you. Okay. So like elevate the chickens up and then have a pond beneath it, right? And you can do the aquaponics with fish. You think so? Well, that's how they do it. Yeah.

It's rough though. Mosquitoes in the summer. So you've got to add a bunch of stuff. Because the droppings from the chicken. Yeah, like a fertilizer. Aquaponics. Interesting. Well, chickens sure do poop.

That's one thing we know for sure. They are poopy birds. All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Peter, sir, if we get that second term you're predicting, can we save our military? It's it's is crap too far ingrained to still have a strong force versus China. Now, crap stands for critical race applied principles. I see. So we're seeing all that wokeness in the military.

So let me let me reflect on one of my experience from the Trump Time book within the context of Mad Dog Mattis. Okay. This was – remember the old saying in Reagan, like, personnel is policy, right, meaning that who you hire is like what your outcome is in the White House and stuff like that. So Mattis gets in there as a four-star general. He's adamantly opposed to all of the trade policies we want to do. He's adamantly opposed to taking on China. He wants to be an accommodationist.

And he spends all of his time disobeying the chain of command. No matter what President Trump, the commander in chief, would tell this guy, he would not follow those orders. Now think about that. This guy's a four-star general. If anybody should understand the importance of chain of command, it should be General Mattis. Now why do I say this in answer to your question? It's like this is the problem we have in the military. It's not unlike the other bureaucracies where there's a culture that's been adopted where the Pentagon seems to be independent of the leadership. And I'm really surprised that this critical race theory has been able to metastasize so quickly in the Pentagon because it must have been going on during the Trump administration.

We just didn't see it happening. So that's, that has to be on our watch. But what the Pentagon needs to be focused on is one thing, military readiness. That's it. Military readiness. I mean,

don't you think it's very important for the military to also be ready to, you know, talk about each other's feelings? Feelings. Well, you know, what if there's a soldier? You got a guy in basic training. I have a feeling. But look, there's a guy in basic, right?

He's 18. He's enlisted. He's crawling through the mud. Yeah. And then he starts crying. Yeah. And shouldn't the drill sergeant and everyone – Get up, soldier.

It's okay. No, snuggle puddle. Snuggle puddle. Cuddle puddle. Cuddle puddle. I heard that. You know, he's crying. Everyone's're just crying. Yeah. And shouldn't the drill sergeant and everyone – Get up, soldier. No, snuggle puddle. Snuggle puddle. Cuddle puddle. You know, he's crying. Everyone's got a hug. And then they can go and watch, you know, cartoons. I heard safe spaces are bulletproof, right?

No, I'm – look, I'm deeply concerned about the military. We were able to significantly increase the military budget and kind of get it back towards the trajectory it needed to be. But we're woefully unprepared for what is likely to be our leading military threat, which is China. I mean, you're seeing the whole doctrine of peace through strength, Reagan, Trump, right? I mean, think about this. We come in and Trump, everybody understands he's a tough SOB, right? So what happens? Immediately, North Korea missiles, they stop flying those things, right? Iran kind of backs off from all the crap it's doing. We're able to put tariffs on China without it going, going berserk, right? But as soon as Trump's gone, it's like, like, what is China doing? Yeah. Are we watching? It's like they're throwing aircraft across Taiwanese space.

They're threatening everybody. They went to Alaska and Hawaii. Yeah. They're getting in our faces. Yeah, they're getting right in our faces. They're calling. By the way, the summit that just happened, I don't know if you watched that, but that term, like when Xi Jinping called Joe Biden his, quote, old friend. Oh, that was good.

Oh, man. That is some kind of insult in China, baby. No, no. It was because I think Psaki was asked. Peter Doocy said something like, you know, Biden and his old friend Xi. And then they were like, I assure you, Biden is not friends. And so Xi Jinping was then like, my old friend, Joe Biden. That is like, you know. That's an insult. Yeah, for sure.

Murphy Tries DIY says, Tim wouldn't answer a call from the Situation Room because he would think it's a call for extending his car's warranty. Actually, that's incorrect. I don't answer calls to extend my car warranty out of fear it may actually be the Situation Room. The other way around. Well, hey, by the way tim if you didn't answer that phone we'd come find you that's great that's fine by me if the trump administration was looking for you it wouldn't be bad news okay if the biden administration comes to callin that's that's a totally different uh what my phone rings i don't

care what it says i don't answer it yeah you know because by the way on a personal note just just so you understand it's like how how washington works it's like right now i'm um i'm under attack by this subcommittee that clayburn runs uh they're trying to get me to testify oh did you get subpoenaed yeah yeah yeah yeah but there's a good story here because um it's like um it's like they keep sending me these emails. I get an email a couple of days ago, and they say, look, here's your subpoena. If you tell us that you got it, then we'll consider it served. I say, yeah, sure, right.

I got it, right. So what happens the very next day, right, at 10 in the morning, and I'll actually show you the video of it because I took an iPhone of it. Sure enough, a sheriff shows up with a subpoena, come knocking on your door. These people, all they're trying to do, like, intimidate you. And, like, that woman in Colorado who they're branding a domestic terrorist and the FBI sends, like, to six agents to and like tears their apartment up or house up to find whatever it is there that's not there that they're looking for. I mean, this is this is this is a big concern. This is part of the problem I'm seeing.

It's like the Department of Justice under Merrick Garland has become essentially a jackboot. And the FBI, as an extension of that, I'm sure there's most of the agents in there do not want to do that. But I would love to see some more resistance within the FBI. hey, slow down a little bit because mothers who are worried about their kids shouldn't be searched, have face search words. But anyway, that was an interesting story. It's a bummer because I grew up with the X-Files FBI, and they were cool. Yeah, they were cool. Even outside of Mulder and Scully when they had the actual FBI, there's like, hey, we're tracking down a murderer. We're going to help protect people.

But now it's like, it's so political. Well, see, I grew up with the J. Edgar. I know, I know. So I know how it can go bad. But it seemed like things were going pretty good. But this whole Russiagate thing, it's been broken wide open now. It's shown to be a hoax bull dorms like indicting people and things like that but that went on like for four years for four years the

five it was before the before the trump administration even started yes and it was still going on up until durham started making these moves now rachel maddow's finally forced to be like oh i was you know lying the whole time well she was just really dumb. I'll put it that way. It's strange how when initial reports were coming out, like my content was all like, hey, we'll look at it and we'll see what they say. And I don't know enough about what's going on to make a judgment, but we'll see what the investigation reveals. And then once it came out, like there was no collusion. It was all a hoax. I was like, okay, we're done with this, right?

No, they didn't let it go. They keep doubling down, tripling down on it. I mean, I was just watching Comey Rule on Netflix, right? And the whole thing is misinformation and disinformation because it sincerely kind of presents the story as if the Steele dossier were true, right? And you go through the whole thing, and if you look at it, it's like the prologue to the In Trump Time book I call the Rashomon election.

I don't know if you guys, or Lydia, have you ever seen Rashomon? So this is a cool movie. Let me pimp a movie here for a minute. The greatest director in Japan's history is Akira Kurosawa. He was the guy who did the original Seven Samurai, which they made a Western version of and things like that.

But he did a movie called Rashomon, and it was basically a violent crime seen through the eyes of multiple individuals. And every person who saw it had a different version of what the events are like. And I feel like that's, we're in this Rashomon world right now with the FBI and CNN and this, that, and the other thing. And it's like, here's the thing. Let me just say this. Four years in the White House, I saw so many stories that were quoted anonymous sources that were just flat out wrong just flat out wrong and i i kept thinking to myself if i know they're wrong because i'm inside what about the people who are reading this who aren't inside that's right

right and and i got this rule at woodward uh the Trump time book. I take him down. OK, because there's a story about me in the situation room and I report how the events happen. Woodward reports the same events with a totally different spin. Right. Based on two anonymous sources. And my rule with people like Woodward are two anonymous sources do not equal a fact. Right. And that's the way journalism has gone to. Well, here's how they do it. They'll say a source close to Nancy Pelosi's office reveals that she's planning to impeach Joe Biden or something. And then it turns out the person close to her office is a homeless guy sleeping out back behind her office. Well, hold on.

They're telling the truth. He is close to her office is the homeless guy sleeping out back behind her office well well hold on they're telling the truth he is close to her office and he's out in the back going like werewolves are taking over the white house and nancy pelosi will impeach biden you wait and see and they're like write it down and publish would you be surprised to know that that a number of reporters knew that i was going to be subpoenaed before I did. Not surprising. Now think about that. Think about that. Think about that. How did they find out? Well, come on.

People are leaking. They're leaking. Yeah, the classified information. Don't tell us that agencies work with the mainstream media. I want to read a couple more Super Chats before we go to the member segment. But I noticed a lot of people are saying spatchcock the turkey. Yes, I hear good things. What?

Let's try that. Okay, so spatchcocking is where you cut it open and you butterfly it, you lay it flat, and it helps it cook more evenly. It's supposed to be super good. I like traditional 12-hour bake. Yeah, but you're going to have to put it in a diagonal in the oven still. Well, people are saying smoke it. They're saying spatchcock and then put it in smoker. Sounds amazing.

I'll tell you this. The best brisket I've ever had in Texas. When we were in Texas, literally out of the seven days we were there, I had one day where I didn't eat brisket. My gut is still recovering. We had a little bit of brisket today. I was prepared to be disappointed. It was chain food brisket. It was not good.

We'll do one more here. This is important. Catherine McGrath says, Did Jimmy Carter really get attacked by a giant rabbit? I have no frigging idea. All right. All right. All right. Yeah. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to go to the member segment where we're going to talk about the deep, dark secrets. So make sure you go to TimCast.com, become a member. You can, don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe to this channel. You can follow us basically everywhere at TimCastIRL.

Follow us on Instagram. You can like our videos and help us spread. You can follow me personally at TimCast. And, of course, I think you've got something to shout out. Navarro Unchained. Okay, let's rock. But you've got a book I think you've mentioned. I think I have the In Trump's Eye book here, yes.

I like that photo much, much more. By the way, a little breaking news for you. Tomorrow morning, press release is going out where I'm actually recommending another book to buy at the holidays in conjunction with this. It's called The Real Anthony Fauci by Bobby Kennedy Jr. And this is my account of Fauci during the year of the plague. And Kennedy comes at it from the previous decades where Fauci was there. And I think that as a gift for the holidays,

by the time you get to the end of those two books, you will have a very different view of Fauci if you still think he's Santa Claus. I know where you guys are coming from. I heard great things about that Bobby Kennedy book. I'm excited to read your book. Thank you so guys are coming from. I heard great things about that Bobby Kennedy book. I'm excited to read your book.

Thank you so much for coming on. I've got a million other questions I want to ask you, but I'll save it for another time. Are you a Bernie? That hurt my feelings. I'm hurt. Did you notice when I said that, that for the rest of the show,

he didn't speak to me at all? I had some questions. I got a lot more you know but the fact the the the the eyelids of the jazane t-shirt the the master came off briefly when i said that it was probably yeah it was her eyes popped up it was surprising but we got a lot more to get into i'm excited to talk let me let me let me pimp your t-shirts too to make up to it. No worries. Get this t-shirt. Go to wherever you're supposed to.

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I do other videos on, of course, a different YouTube channel, but I have more private, intimate, crazy discussions on LukeUncensored.com. I released an important video today. I'm going to be releasing another one tomorrow about how to talk to your loved ones in a pragmatic way, especially when you're going to be meeting with them, sitting down with them. Luckily, if you are very blessed to have a turkey, you will be eating one. And it's an important opportunity

to raise important issues. I'm going to be talking about that all on LukeUncensored.com. Hope to see some of you guys there. It's great to meet you man this is thanks for coming and this is awesome releasing the info this is deep stuff I'm looking forward to going deeper I'm Ian Crosland let's get real and you can follow me at iancrosland.net if you want to get in touch with all my socials thanks for coming and I just wanted to say before I go that the

Rashomon effect is where the two people are looking at a six slash a nine and they can't figure out which is which so there's actually an effect named, I think it's inspired by this movie that came out in 1950. Thank you very much

for coming, Peter. What a pleasure. I'm loving this wisdom from these older generations. You guys may follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patch Lids. We will see you all

at TimCast.com in the members only segment. Thanks for hanging out. Bye guys.