Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #420 - DeSantis Plans Civilian Military As Tensions Rise Between States & Biden w/Kari Lake

Episode Date: December 4, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake to discuss another governor's actions in Florida as DeSantis plans a civilian military force as tensions rise between Biden and individual states, an Arizona school board member who actively attempted to stalk parents of school children who questioned critical race theory teachings, Kari's history in the media and why she quit, including when it went bad, and how hard times are changing average people to 2nd Amendment supporters. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On Twitter earlier today, the word Gestapo was trending because people were terrified after Ron DeSantis proposed a civilian military force. Rather scary, isn't it? Until you read the story, and I think even Sarah Silverman tweeted this, like, please be, you know, the truth matters, and everyone was surprised. It would be the 23rd civilian military force. They've existed in many, many states for a long time. It's actually

not all that crazy. What is kind of worrying is that the tensions between the states and the Biden administration have gotten to the point where Ron DeSantis is like, yo, we can't rely on the National Guard or the Pentagon or Biden to come to our aid in the event of a hurricane or disaster or something like that. So we'll make a civilian military force. And of course, many of these individuals who are complaining about a Gestapo didn't realize that New York not only has lockdowns mandates, but they also have a civilian military force. But we'll break all that down. It's interesting. We got some interesting news coming from unheard. They interviewed a woman who actually spent time in one of these internment camps in Australia. And her story is actually quite freaky, saying they offered her drugs

because of her anxiety. They wouldn't let her go outside. They threatened her with fines if she took one step off the porch of her building. That doesn't sound like hot babe suntanning. That's what I was told by Quillette. And then we've got Jussie Smollett's lawyer apparently claiming the judge lunged at her and they want a mistrial. But we're going to get in all these stories and probably a whole lot more because we're being joined by Carrie Lake, who is, you had this viral video where, I guess, you resigned from mainstream media, we'll call it, corporate press. Now you're running for governor of Arizona, and you've got a lot of opinions about a lot of things. And I think we'll just

play into it. It's a Friday night. We'll chill. We'll go through all of that. So yeah, you want to introduce yourself real quick? I'm the candidate for governor and Trump endorsed in Arizona. And I spent 27 years covering Arizona as a journalist on the mainstream media and had a great career. I was number one for 22 years. I worked for the Fox station. And Arizona is a unique market because you reach 85% of the state. So the name recognition is really intense when you work in a market like that. And for 22 years, we were number one. And at the height of my career, make good money, working at a solid station, I just realized that the propaganda that the corporate media is pushing is not something that I can do. And it ceased being just biased and unethical. And I think during COVID, it moved into the realm of being immoral. And being a Christian

woman, I just thought, I can't do this anymore. I can't read. I was feeling sick reading the news. And I always felt that everything I put out was truthful. And it started to feel where the kind of the walls were closing in and I couldn't get the truth out as I wanted to. It was half truth. So I walked away. I can tell you the confirmation bias of all of our viewers is lighting up. They're all really excited. Oh, good. Yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But we'll get into all that stuff for sure. We got Luke chilling. I like to say satanic, but that's just me personally, myself.

There's a lot of exciting things happening in Florida. And hell, I mean, I soon might join the gator-eating Florida man state guard, especially if Tim starts selling more shorts. That's why today I am wearing my own official shirt, which you could support me if you get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. The shirt reads, Make Florida America. No, it doesn't. No, no, no. Make America Florida. That's something a Florida man would do.

Florida man all the way and thebestpoliticalshirts.com. Thanks for having me. Yo, Ian Crossland here. What's up, everybody? Happy to be here. Good to see you, Carrie. Hi. Looking forward to talking and learning a little bit here. Good to see you, Carrie. Hi. Looking forward to talking and learning a little bit tonight.

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We got this story from CNN.com. DeSantis proposes a new civilian military force in Florida that he would control. I love how they frame it that way, as if it's like, ooh, he would be in charge. I mean, yeah, he's the governor, right? But they also mention that if Florida goes ahead with this plan to reestablish a civilian force, which existed before, it would be the 23rd active state guard in the country. DeSantis' office said in a press release joining California, Texas, and New York, these guards are little known auxiliary forces.

So all of a sudden, all over Twitter, they're claiming he's forming the Gestapo and the Republicans are Nazis. And when I saw this tweet from Sarah Silverman, where she was like, please read the article, The Truth Matters, I was like, whoa, something's... Deborah Messing came out about the Waukesha attack and said it was a massacre, call it what it is. That was surprising, wasn't it? Right. But now Sarah Silverman being like, The Truth Matters, I'm like, wow, something's happening in this country. I think the Holly weirdos are waking up. Holly weirdos?

They're waking up, which is good. They need to. You were telling us, I guess, if you were to become, when you are to become governor of Arizona. Thank you. That's right. You were going to do the same thing? Yeah, we've talked about this already. We have the Arizona Rangers, and we would bring

them back. I mean, right now, they're kind of a force that helps out volunteer great men and women, but we would bring them back as a force. We really need our own border protection there, because the Border Patrol is not able to do their job right now. We have a border crisis happening. I'm sure you're aware of it. I know you're thousands of miles from the Arizona border. We have had many journalists and witnesses on the show talking about the crisis and i think florida is also sending its police forces down to the border to help texas enforce its border laws as well and and the santas had a very interesting comment about this announcement because he said one of the benefits of this guard would that it would be quote not encumbered by the federal government. That's his exact quote here.

That's why I'm like, hey, maybe I could give this a try. He's going to start off with 200 volunteers. He wants a budget of $3.5 million to start up this guard. But when we're at a situation where soon the Oklahoma National Guard might soon become the Oklahoma State Militia because of federal policies, this doesn't seem like an absurd policy. This seems like a policy that is inevitable, in my opinion, especially with how hyper politicized everything's becoming, from my perspective. Well, even if you take the politics out of it, we have a crisis at the border. We have people streaming across, we have drugs coming

across, and coming into our communities. And they're not just staying in Arizona. It's kind of like the slogan in in Vegas, what happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas. Is that what it is? It stays in Vegas. Hopefully it stays in Vegas. It stays there, yeah. What happens in Arizona doesn't stay in Arizona when it comes to our border. It really does spread across the country.

So it's important for the whole country. But we need to work with, and if I were governor right now, unfortunately I won't be governor until January of 23, Tim, but this problem can't go on until then. We're not going to have a country. And so we need to do something now. And our current governor needs to work with some of the friendly red states and say, hey, can we borrow some of your law enforcement, bring them down, help us protect the border, and let's start building the wall right now. What is Joe Biden going to do? Come down and arrest us?

I was watching a clip from CNN that was on Reddit. And it was a panel with a bunch of Trump supporters, I guess. And it was making fun of them. Because this little old lady said 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election. And it was Dan, I can't remember who, I think it wasn't Dan Abash. I can't remember who was interviewing them. But a CNN woman, she goes, you really believe 3 million illegal immigrants voted in the election? She's like, yes, you know, the president encouraged him to vote, blah, blah, blah. And here are these two groups of people saying things. And CNN, she's like, I looked it up. It's fake news.

You know, whatever. It didn't happen. I get it. And I'm sitting there like they're both missing the mark. The fact of the matter is every single illegal immigrant in this country adds voting power and does impact the presidential election. Quite simply, when we vote for the president, we are not voting as individuals in a popular vote. We are having our states do an electoral vote. Electoral votes are based on congressional

districts. Congressional districts are apportioned based on the total population, not total citizen population. That means if Arizona sees a massive influx of non-citizens into dense urban areas, when they do the census, the dense urban areas get extra congressional seats based on non-citizens, which adds equivalent voting power in presidential elections. So I believe there were some estimates that California in the past got one extra electoral vote because of their illegal immigrant population. So no, I don't believe illegal immigrants are showing up in mass by the millions to vote in the elections and no one's catching it. But I do think it's fairly obvious whether you want to argue that or not. The point

is outside of it, we know that if they do the census and there's no citizenship question, then you are going to get congressional seats that are being allocated specifically to non-citizens. So yeah, they're effectively getting their voting power in. And President Trump wanted that question to be asked. Are you a citizen? And the courts ruled against him on that. So, I mean, we had people voting who shouldn't have voted, I believe, in Arizona. And we had the forensic audit.

And to me, the biggest problem, it was multi-layered what happened there. You just look at the mail-in ballots that didn't have a signature or had a little scribble. They weren't checking. They weren't verifying it. Yeah, they weren't verifying it. And when you look at the number of questionable ballots out there compared to what the margin of the victory was, there are way too many questionable ballots to say that one person won and one didn't. This is what we actually heard from Matt Brainerd.

We've had him on the show several times. And he's never come out and, at least to us, made a definitive and hard statement. He's always said there are questions based on how many votes. I don't know how to phrase it properly because I don't want to put words in his mouth. I'm trying to be very careful for his sake. But he was basically saying we can't know. These things need to be looked into and investigated because these right here are red flags. Well, if one person won, and I'm trying to be very careful because I know YouTube has a bunch of issues. If one person won

by 10,457 votes and you have hundreds of thousands or even 100,000 or 200,000 questionable ballots that could have been problematic, and I'm being careful with my words here, then you're looking at, wow, 200,000, 300,000 problematic votes, and the margin of victory was just over 10,000? Issues, issues. How do you resolve something like that? Are the courts in Arizona going to go and investigate this?

I know there was a big audit. I am for expanding the forensic audit to all 15 counties because even counties – and here's the deal. Trump supporters would never want Trump to win in a questionable way. I want my guy to win, of course, but I don't want him to win at the risk of throwing our elections into tumult. And I want secure elections that we can have faith in. And that's what I plan to do as governor. I think that's one of the reasons I got President Trump's endorsement. He knows that we're not going to sweep 2020 under the rug.

We're going to take a look at it. We have this forensic audit that was done really well, despite what the fake media and the corrupt media is reporting. And we're going to take everything that we found from there and we're going to fix it. I'm a mom, so I do lists and I check them off and to-do list. And it might not happen before the 2020 because I don't think we have enough strong leaders in office who are going to say, you know what? I don't care what they say about me. We're doing this for our country to keep our republic together. We're doing this for our country to keep our republic together. We're doing it for Arizona. I'll tell you, I think Republicans need to be working on ground game and looking at the laws that were changed, looking at the policies across the country.

So we had a lot were changed in Arizona leading up, leading up to the election. A lot of laws were changed by people who had no right to change them. The legislature is the only one that has the right to change election laws. And all of these people, Adrian Fontes and all of these local people, usurped the legislature to change election laws. That's illegal. I think we saw that in Georgia. I think we – in Pennsylvania it was interesting because – I want to be careful not – we've talked a bit about it.

So for people who aren't familiar, I'll give you the context. But Pennsylvania, a year before the election, I think it was October, the Republican legislature voted for universal mail-in ballots. And initially they were going to call it – I think they were going to say universal absentee or something. And then they realized it was unconstitutional because the Pennsylvania Constitution specifically says you can't do this. So they stopped, pulled it back halfway, and then changed some wording and pushed it through. And a lower court judge actually said, hey, that looks like it's not constitutional. When it went to the higher court in Pennsylvania, they said, you're too late. Have a nice day. They didn't even rule on it. So I think the big play for Republicans

coming into 22, there's two big things I think people need to do. Looking into everything you've said, for one, I definitely think matters. But in order to get to the point where you can get that investigation and make sure you're getting legitimate information, getting a legitimate investigation, not that I'm not saying the forensic audit didn't happen. I'm saying the power to actually look through these things, enact things. Primaries. Make sure the establishment Republicans, if you're voting Republican, aren't the ones who are going to get back in and then just jam everything up voting locally. So people who are in Arizona need to be thinking about their state senators, their state representatives, their governor, school board, for sure. Because you look at a lot of what happened when it comes to the presidential

election. And I tell people this, it was Time Magazine, I think, right? The shadow campaign to fortify the election. There's an article they wrote. And they talked about- That lays it out. They talk about changing laws. They talk about changing rules. They talk about ground game. They talk about activists going out.

And I'm like, that all right there is laid out for you. If you want to address those things, you need local politicians. You need state level politicians. You need to win your legislature. You need to win your governorship. And you need to win even your council, your school board especially. But a lot of people are just looking at Congress, thinking that if I vote for my rep in Congress,

it's going to affect these things. That ain't it. It's from the ground up, basically. We look at, and we're seeing it huge in Arizona right now with school boards. And I'm going to admit, I thought I was a really informed voter for years. I've always voted since I was 18 years old. But I never paid enough attention to school boards. And we have a situation in Scottsdale where we have a 27-year-old guy, unmarried, no children, living with his parents, who's on the school board, making a lot of decisions about our children. And it was just revealed in the last month or so that he, a computer at his home, was keeping a dossier on 40 plus, nearly 50 parents who had the audacity to step up at school

board meetings and say, hey, wait a minute, what's being taught to our kids now? 2020 woke up a lot of parents when they walked past the Zoom camera and heard what was being taught to their kids. And they went, what the heck is going on here? And so they start asking questions. And this guy, who's the president of the school board, again, 27, no kids in the school district, starts keeping a file on them. But I mean, what was he doing? Was he like stalking, pulling up background information?

He's saying his dad did it, but it was on the computer at his home. Pulling up all of the people who spoke out, the moms, pulling up very detailed information about the family. So it would be, if you spoke out and you had a divorce in your family, the divorce decree. Now this took somebody to go down to the courts, pull a thousand page divorce decree, a lot of private information.

This is one of my friends whose divorce decree was pulled up. Information that even their children didn't know because when you have little ones, sometimes you don't want them knowing all of the nitty gritty details of what led. And what was he going to use this for? A single mom who was a nurse, her information was pulled up,

her nursing license number, and then there was a new complaint against her nursing license. And I hope to God it didn't come from this guy. Here she is trying to make a living, put food on the table for her little one, and someone is really cyber stalking and bullying her.

It had photographs of little girls, 8, 10, 13-year-old. They were children of the parents who spoke out. PIs were hired to follow some of the parents and get license plate numbers. One woman said all of her assets were listed. This is crazy stuff. One mom said- for the school board yeah so he's collecting a dossier to go out who knows what he's going to do with it to go after these people to sue them we don't know but when they discovered it accidentally they were shocked

imagine going in here and going whoa my divorce decree my bank what the heck my children's pictures so it's really scary one woman said they had created a meme, I guess you call it. I'm going to sound really old if it's not a meme. She said it meant to make her look racist. It was a picture of her, this mother, and it was shared with, he shared it with all the school teachers at the school. It was a picture of her next to a slave hanging from a tree. This is a mother who has,

he was trying to paint her as racist. She'd done nothing wrong except ask about her kid's curriculum. I get angry and emotional when I think about it because it is our right as parents to question that and not be doxxed, harassed, have PIs come after us and have a dossier collected. How is it that a guy with no kids is on the school board? Well, here's why.

And thank you for bringing me back to the story. I got triggered there. He ran unopposed. Nobody was running. And this is what I'm getting to. We think we're all involved. And we know I'm going to run for Congress. I've researched everybody.

These are the people I want. But we have to go down the ballot. School board is the most important race. Because these are the people affecting what our kids are learning. And now we're seeing what years and years and decades of bad curriculum have done. We're seeing it churned out in our schools and this anti-American studies that the American history is now anti-American history. And it's pretty scary. So which generation is at fault? Was it the boomers who were not teaching kids proper values, which resulted in teachers? So I'll put it this way. You've got teachers.

Like this guy, he's 27, right? So he's an older millennial, and they have these wacky views. Many of them are communists. Many of them hate America. Many of them are overtly racist, identitarian. So they're being taught by boomers. How did this ideology become so prevalent among the millennial generation to the point where now in schools, teachers are believing this insanity? I mean, I grew up in the 70s and 80s. My dad was a public

school teacher, taught history, government. He was a football coach. He would be horrified. I mean, I'm glad he's not with us today because he would be so horrified by what's being taught. I don't know where it started to seep in. I really don't. But I think it, I mean, I know that a lot of people, probably your age, I mean, what were you taught, Tim? How was history portrayed to you? It's funny because I always see these things on Twitter where these woke millennials are like, they don't actually teach people in school about slavery,im crow and the trail of tears and i'm like i was taught all of that like i don't understand like uh i went to but were you taught it where where you continued along beyond that i mean obviously those are really deep scars and

very difficult moments in our history but was it continued, as history continued to be taught and the years moved on and you're moving through what happened in our history, was it always that the European settlers are always the oppressor or people who are white are the oppressor? Never. It was interesting, though, because it was very Eurocentric history, of course. I mean, we're a nation that has founding in european colonization but i remember um you know being taught about christopher columbus when i was a little kid i told the story how he discovers america and my mom was like leaf erickson was here first norwegian right uh yeah are you norwegian no okay my dad my dad's norwegian

he's like leaf erickson not christopher col not Christopher Columbus. That's right. But hold on. And then my mom was like, there were already people here. Like the Native Americans crossing the Bering Strait. So who discovered it? To say it's discovered is to be from a perspective of Europe. Now, the interesting thing is that perspective I get from my mom, she never said, and that's why white people are evil. She was like, well, the European historical perspective is how they came to discover America. But there were other people here.

They have their histories. And it was just like, ah, interesting. It's very pragmatic and more objective. But what you're getting from the woke millennial generation and these teachers is, and because they came here and it was conquest, these people are all evil. Colonization is evil. It's white supremacy. It's, you know. And where does it end?

I mean, we keep teaching this. What is the goal of that? I think it's the- Division? I think it, I view it like fire. It's consuming, it's destroying, and it has no real directional end. You know, if you look at traditional American values, it was moving in a direction towards something.

Civil rights emerged. You ended up with, I mean, civil rights is really a great example of this. Innocent until proven guilty. This is something that's rooted very much in the Bible. And I know a lot of atheists and a lot of leftists don't want to recognize that that's where it came. It really did in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot. So you actually had, over a long period of time, the bad things that came with these traditions being removed as people don't tolerate the violence anymore. A good example is

how dueling eventually stopped happening because the younger generation, there was one young generation that said, Hey, you guys just killed each other over a fight. That's dumb. And so they stopped doing it. Then you end up, we end up as a country that starts with slavery, but you know, within 80 or so years, we're like, we're going to fight a bloody death to make sure that we end this. Then you get civil rights. We were actually doing a really great job, but a lot of it was rooted in a Christian moral framework. Whether people like it or don't, that's literally the framework that was set upon. The Judeo-Christian tradition. But now we have with wokeness something completely separate from that moral framework and they don't believe in innocent until proven guilty at all i mean we just had a

story of a black lives matter activist his name is cortez rice showing up at the judge's house apartment in the dante right case he's since he's subsequently been arrested i don't i don't know the fifty thousand dollar bail He went to the home. It was reported, or at least he was trying to. I don't know exactly where the judge lives, but he was filming himself do it. They do not believe in the values that have been established here in the United States. So what I see is that kind of behavior is very much in line with what we saw with the communists, but also the fascists. And it was David Graeber, the late David Graeber, who said that a sect of the left has embraced the fascistic ideology,

there is no truth but power. And so now what we're seeing is, I often talk about how there's two different realities in the United States, and that's why left and right seem to be meaningless. Like, you know, economically, I'm actually rather left. I think universal basic health care, things like these, very nuanced. We have to get into an argument about them. But however, I find myself hanging out with independents, libertarians, conservatives, and disaffected liberals, because I think what separates us from, you know, the rival,

I guess what you would call the left is, our moral framework tends to be rooted very much in Judeo-Christian values, even though we aren't theistic. I'm not a religious person, but Bill Maher is a good example. His values, free speech, innocent until proven guilty, these classically or traditionally liberal values are rooted in Judeo-Christian moral frameworks. That doesn't mean you have to agree with the Bible or the Torah. But if we tear that apart, then we don't have a country, and then we have chaos. But you can be Democrat. You can be libertarian.

You can be conservative. You can be Republican, whatever. But we all have to agree that the freedom of speech, innocent until proven guilty, that the system we have, which the U.S. Constitution is the greatest system out there. I mean, there's nothing better. And if we can agree on that, but what's happening now is you have people who are on the left. And I worked in media for 30 years, 27 in Arizona.

I know journalists who are for censorship. That is shocking to me. This is the craziest thing to me. It's like the First Amendment, freedom of speech. Nope, they're for censorship. There's a group called Free Press. and I knew several people from Free Press. And I remember when they banned Alex Jones, FreePress.net was advocating.

Before he got banned, they were advocating for his censorship. And I said, I was like, what's the name of your organization again? Free Press. And I was like, and what is this campaign? We're trying to get a media organization banned. I've had the local paper, a journalist, and I'm using that, he's an activist, write articles about me and suggest that I have my Twitter page taken down. I can't remember what it was. Was it over the, something like talking about ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine?

And suggest that I have my, that I be completely banned from social media. And this is a journalist. To me, that's shocking. I mean, and we're talking about going on here, the things you can say, the things you can't say. We're in an era right now where censorship is happening. We have to live under it, unfortunately. I want to ban censorship in Arizona when I'm governor. Oh, that's clever.

And there will be hell to pay if a company tries to keep you from having free speech. I mean, free speech is absolutely essential. If you look at progression of humanity, it happens under freedom. And I think America represents that freedom. Obviously, it doesn't have a perfect record. Obviously, the military-industrial complex has caused a lot of global harm, I would argue. But speaking representatively, America stands for freedom. And to me, you have to destroy this larger experiment, this larger idea,

because when you do, you get rid of something that is extremely rare in human history. If you look at human history, this ability to be able to defend yourself, this ability to be able to say whatever you want is extremely rare. And if they destroy the founding of this country that was based on those principles and those ideas, they could destroy that freedom that also comes with it. And I think they have been successful in many ways already doing it without many people even realizing. Well, let's think about it.

Freedom of religion. We had our churches shut down. Did you ever think, I mean, I'm probably the oldest one here, I'm assuming. Walmart was open, but you couldn't go to church yeah i mean i never thought a day would come when churches were shut down in this country whether you go to church or not isn't that something that is a main tenant of this country the first amendment the very first freedom yeah i think about like what things could get changed if we were to lose the government and some crazy like things like murdering might now become like things we think of as like just inherently illegal and wrong without question could then become totally normal

normalized in a new regime in portland when aaron danelson was shot in the chest the leftists cheered and you saw what happened to chas i'm people got killed at chas one of my staffers lived in chas he was embedded in chas And the way we protect children in this society. He's not for that. He was in as an outsider going in there to check it out. I like to say to people who've never met Luke, I'll be like, Luke's been to Epstein Island. And then they go like, whoa, whoa.

It's not good at parties. People are like, what? And then people start looking at me like I'm some kind of creeper. Were you the guy that went there after it was closed down and got the video? Yeah, yeah. I went there when I saw. Why didn't you tell me that when I met Luke? Because if I walked up to you and said, this guy's Ben Epstein, I'm going to think I'm a creeper or something.

And it happens all the time. I'm like, no, no, no. Was that the time that Jeffrey Epstein was there and he drove up in the little golf cart? There was a drone footage of allegedly someone that looked like Epstein in the golf cart. And when I saw that, after he you know offed himself i was like i need to go there i need to fact find this i need to verify this so that's when uh me and my friends went to the island crashed it and tried to get as much publicity about this event as much as possible because no one was talking about it in the corporate media but all online all online

there's this there's this hashtag epstein didn't kill himself there was people asking questions there's people making memes. They were making songs. They were making t-shirts. They were demanding to know what was going on here, and that voice wasn't heard other than, of course, independent media. And as independent media, I decided we need to do this. We need to step things up. You guys are the new mainstream media, and I mean that in a good way.

The mainstream media now is the alternative independent media. And that's taking over. Thank God. Let me let me ask you about this. You worked for 22 years in like your your mainstream media, I guess. 30 years mainstream media. 30 years. Right. 27 years covering Arizona as a journalist and an anchor. And 22 of those years, my last 22 for the Fox affiliate. When did it go wrong? I think the media really, you know, there were always places you could work that were more liberal. I mean, obviously CNN, crazy. But, you know, you could also say Fox is more reasonable if you're conservative. And at least I believe it was a great place to work.

But I think when President Trump came on the scene, candidate Trump in 2015 when he came down the escalator, that's when I noticed people in media, and I'm talking all of the networks, starting to really lose it. Even people that I thought were really reasonable. I'm like, why are you so upset about this guy? He has a right to run. He meets the qualifications

to run. Who cares if he runs? But it was a complete, as I like to say he croaked he cracked the shells off the nuts do you think that there was they didn't like trump or that they wanted hillary to win so bad that they didn't like whoever was coming and it just turned out to be donald trump then they turned him into a boogeyman i don't know i wonder if they had a deep fear that oh my gosh this guy could win in our in our lady won't win the one one we want i don't know why. I

can't put my finger on it. Was there a feeling at Fox or anywhere that you were that there was like an agenda to get a certain person elected? Well, let me put it this way. When you work in media, 90%, maybe 95% are liberal for sure. And a big chunk of them are leftist socialists. So we know, you know how we feel about our candidates. If all of a sudden the newsroom was 95% hardcore conservative, it would change the way things work. But with so 95% being liberal, they're like, oh gosh, we don't like this guy. Did you see around the time when the, so it was around 2016, you started to feel like things were changing? It just went really crazy when Trump came around. And then I really think it went to a whole new level with COVID.

And I believe that initially the 15 days to slow the spread, I think where we were all kind of like, whoa, what's going on here? Okay, I'm willing to slow things down for 15 days. I was reading the news and believing it. We're seeing Fauci come out. Who's this new scientist guy? Oh, my gosh. We've got to wipe our groceries down, put our masks on. I mean, I believed it all.

Be afraid of our fellow neighbors and people next to us. Be afraid. And I work in a neighborhood, and I did a PragerU video, and I really kind of lay out what happened in the media and what brought me to walking away from a very large, comfortable paycheck and great benefits to just walk away from that. It has to be something pretty bad. Did you notice around this time that younger people were coming into the workforce?

Were you seeing more millennials join your office, your newsroom? Yeah, and I talk a little bit about that. There was a shift in, and this also plays into how media changed, there was a shift in losing some of the older, more established reporters and journalists. And I think it's because corporate media took over. There used to be a lot of regional news, you know, a company here and a company there owned it. And then it became, now five or six corporations own all the media. They bought up all these smaller outlets.

Maybe you had a family who owned three stations. They bought that up and they just started accumulating more and more media over the years. And this happened in the 80s and 90s. And when they accumulated more, they wanted to pare down the bottom line. So let's say, Tim, you're a 50-year-old seasoned journalist who's been at the station covering the city you live in for a long time. And they go, Tim, you're making $120,000, and we're hiring people right out of this college, ASU, for $40,000. We can hire three people for the price of you. And they start making your life miserable

and saying no to every story you want to cover. And pretty soon Tim goes, I don't want to work for this. And guess what? Those three millennials who've got journalism degrees are very, yeah, air quotes right there. Theater degrees. They're going to be social justice warriors. They're going to be communists. Yeah.

And I'll tell you my thoughts on that. And this is why I asked. You know, based on what I had seen when I was working for some of these companies, it was when they were bringing in more and more young people, younger millennials, is when they started to have a bigger influence on the culture. And what I discovered when I was, you know, managing, you know, I was never a manager, but when I was working with younger people. You're a manager now. Definitely now. I mean, I'm the CEO of a company.

Not that it's a big company. But what I found is many of these young people had never had a job in their lives. They had never worked. And so what happens is they go to school from kindergarten all the way up until they're 22 or 24. They've always been told what to do and by someone in charge. So they have no, not within them. They do not have the I'll figure this out attitude. They're not entrepreneurs. They're not driven. Quite literally I experienced when working with these people is they'd come up to you and say, just tell me what to do.

And I would say, you need to figure it out. Like here's your problem. That's on you. I did not hire you so that I could solve problems for you. And they were given freedom as a child because of fear that the media put in. Oh, my gosh, don't let your kid ride their bike. There could be a bad guy who wants to nab them. There are bad guys out there.

Don't get me wrong. But when I was growing up, we had tons of freedom. My parents would say, get the heck out of the house and don't come back in until we call you. And we would go out and play. Maybe that's the secret because I had that too. They didn't have any of that freedom to grow up and learn all these little things. And now CPS is showing up at people's homes because they had their children walk home from school.

That was literally a case that happened here in the United States. I think also, I mean, we talk about the corporate media a lot, but I think we also have to acknowledge big tech social media and the algorithms, I think, play more of an imperative role to the development of young children, especially with parents literally throwing their phone at a baby just to keep them occupied, showing them their latest kind of Hollywood propaganda. You know, that usually probably could have been produced by someone like Harvey Weinstein or some other sicko or creepo. And I think we have to understand when there's algorithms, they are literally shaping people's perceptions of reality. And when they do that, they could shape your reality to whatever they want. And I think they did it.

They did it in such a twisted way where we're seeing record high suicides, record high depressions, record high mental health issues. And I think that's done deliberately because when you have someone who's not happy, when you have someone who's not healthy, they're going to be someone that's going to be dependent on someone. Who's going to be that dependent? The state, the government, rather than, of course, the parents, the family members, the individuals who are standing up for each other as responsible human beings.

We don't have that anymore. We have the state as the mom and dad of people's lives. And we saw so many people move into having the state control their life during COVID. They left, the job had to close down. They left, they're getting paid, they're sitting home. And now the people who got back out there and got to work are being told, get the jab, if I can say that,

or lose your job with the mandates that are out right now. And so this is, we're taking the final group of people who are the working engine in this society, and they're trying to get them to walk away from their job. And it's really frightening. And then what do you do if they say, get the job or leave your job? And you say, no, I'm not going to get that.

I don't want it. Whatever the reason being, you want your freedom. You walk away. Now you're on the system. They're destroying the working class. Are you familiar with the band The Offspring? No. You've never heard of them?

So they're actually – Can you sing a few lines? You've got to. I'm separated. You know that one from the 90s. Maybe you don't. I definitely could, and I'd like to. And I actually – I don't – anyway, anyway.

They're a very big band. They're very big. They were super huge in the 90s. They had – Like pop punk. Yeah, yeah. They're a very big band. They're very big. They were super huge in the 90s. They had the biggest, the largest record sales, most amount of records sold for any independent label ever. Now I'm embarrassed that I don't know.

I probably will hear it. You know the song Pretty Fly for a White Guy? It's a great song. No, what else? I don't know. Anyway, look. Their drummer was actually kicked out of the band because he had Guillain-Barre syndrome.

And you can't get the vaccine. Well, the doctor at least said, you're not a candidate. You can't get this because if you have Guillain-Barre syndrome, there were you can get nerve issues. And so when I guess when he talked to the band, I don't know exactly what happened. All I know is ultimately he ends up kicked out of the band for that reason. Became kind of a big issue in the news a little bit for those that are interested in music. But that one to me was kind of the most insane. Now, I was on Joe Rogan's show. And he was saying to me that, well, look, man, that's tough because venues won't let you perform

with someone who's unvaccinated. And I was like, I hear you. I hear you i hear you so this band the offspring is a business they have an employee they need to go to venues to sell their product and many of these venues are like if you're not vaccinated you can't come in it's insane to me that someone based i mean first of all it's insane to me there's a mandate period but to actually tell someone who's got a medical condition you will lose your job because of your medical condition i thought that was illegal and you know look it's a it's a clever workaround i suppose if the venue won't let you in the band can be like we're not letting you go you just can't work for us anymore but if it were me and this is why i i have uh i don't know the story from you know the the main guys at the offspring dexter Dexter Holland's the main guy, and then his guitarist, Noodles.

I don't know what their side of the story is, but based on what I've heard, if this dude said, look, my doctor says I can't get it, and they said, get out, you're fired, that's scumbaggery. That is wrong. You know what you do, Travis Tritt? Is that the country star who said, you know, I'm not going to perform at these arenas that are mandating my fans come and show any vaccine mandate or show any vaccine passport or that my staff, my band members. We're in tough times right now.

We're in times where we have to make difficult choices. And that might mean walking away from a paycheck or walking away from a payday for this band. But if we don't start standing up and doing the right thing, what's the next step? Comedian Jim Brewer also did that as well. Jim Brewer also did that. I just want to point out, again, to stress, I don't know exactly what went on with this band, and I want to be careful because for all I know, they were throwing pies at each other and people get fired.

People get fired sometimes. But if operating under the assumption that there is a band worth millions of dollars if you google search the network of net worth of dexter holland it's 80 million dollars that doesn't mean it really is but the dude is particularly wealthy you've got a drummer i think we play with them for over a decade i think like 14 years and all of a sudden this thing happens where it's like venues aren't gonna let you in it is mind-blowing to me. And this is where I say like economically I'm probably lefty. I would never do that to somebody.

If I had a company that was worth $80 million and we had cash and the government came down, I would do two things. The first I'd say then we will only play venues that don't have this. And if for some reason we have no choice because it's a city with fans and we have to play, I will find a session drummer for this show. Buddy, you've been with us for over a decade. I will not let you down. I can't fathom a reality in which there are people who are like, I may be worth $80 million, but screw you. You're fired because of what they're doing with this mandate. That, to me, is sickening.

Well, and that's a good solution. Okay, if we have to perform, we've got fans who want to see us, we bring somebody in, you pay the guy who's part of the band for how many years, and then you don't fire him. People are going to be sued later because we're going to find out this is all unconstitutional. Yeah, and I think that's why and this band has to someday and i know i don't know if you're religious meet their maker and you're going to meet your maker and you're going to say i did the right thing or did the wrong thing or you're going to look at your kids one day and say when this country hopefully were saved you're going to say i was part of this country. This is supposed to be a punk band. It is the antithesis of punk rock.

It sounds like a personality issue. It's just too weird to not be. I don't know, man. After 14, 15 years, I don't believe so. But don't these bands make all their money by performing live now? I heard that with the record labels, you're not making what you think these guys would make, so they have to perform live. Some of the people from the 90s got fathered in and grandfathered in, and they're still

raking it in with recording bills. But wouldn't being a punk band, wouldn't it be so much cooler to say, you know what? We're going to go to this arena, and no, screw it. We're not going there. Right. Somebody find a big field. We're at Tim's house out here with all this land, and we're going to do our- Free Domestand.

Right. We've got 50 acres. We're going to Free Domestand. That's what we're We've got 50 acres. We're going to Freedomistan. That's what we're doing. And that's why Luke came up with the name. It says Freedomistan. Are you holding concerts there? We are going to.

That's great. Well, hopefully. It's West Virginia, so nobody really cares. You can do anything you want. You almost can. Well, when we drove out here, I was like, is this a Blair Witch project? What's going on here? We are a few miles away from where they filmed Blair Witch, apparently. That's what I was like, is this a Blair Witch project? What's going on here? We are a few miles away

from where they filmed Blair Witch, apparently. That's what I was told. I can't believe how thick the forest is out here. You can't even walk through it, probably, without hitting a tree. We had a bear attack. We have a chicken coop. It's very nice.

It's bigger than my house. No, that's New Chicken City. The ruins of Old's very nice in front of the house. It's bigger than my house. No, no. That's new Chicken City. Okay. The ruins of old Chicken City are in front. The rubble. It's the old... But we had a bear. I guess, look, with the lockdowns there's less refuse. Animals become more desperate. And a bear actually... This is

basically our front porch. So you have our front porch and to the left is where the coop is. And a bear came and actually tried ripping it open. And we had people around us being like, there was a bear through the neighborhood and we saw the metal ripped off and we were like, that was the bear. So where I'm going with this is guns. Because out here in the middle of nowhere- Did you shoot the bear?

Is this what this is? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, but that's where I'm going. The point I'm making is to wrap up the other – we're talking about music and freedom. My attitude is I will not go to these venues in New York. Jack Murphy, a good friend of ours and of the show, he's been doing these events. And he said we're going to do ours on the other side of the river because they've got vaccine mandates in New York and we can do it at a venue without one. I believe maybe you can't play a stadium because they're all mandating it, but stand up for something.

So for us, we have this space, and we can do almost anything. So we'll have a shooting range, and we're going to be putting on concerts, and we're going to be hosting events where we can just say, screw it. There's also Porkfest up in New Hampshire that has – it's all about freedom, and they've got the Free State Project. A bunch of Bitcoin conferences. There's a bunch of free festivals. There's a bunchfest up in New Hampshire that has, you know, it's all about freedom. And they've got the Free State Project. A bunch of Bitcoin conferences. There's a bunch of free festivals. There's a bunch of people coming together. There is a mass awakening with protests happening all over the world in huge record numbers that are absolutely incredible to see, filling the streets for blocks on down.

And I just had this idea randomly, Tim. I think we should do a parody of the Blair Witch Project. We go to the woods that they filmed it in, but we have firearms. So if someone messes with us, we just shoot them. And then that's the end of the movie. It's like, okay, that's what happens when you're armed. You're able to defend yourself and no one's able to hurt you or kill you. Right.

We wouldn't have had a two-hour terrifying movie. It would be like two minutes long. We're walking in the woods. Oh, there's someone trying to hurt us. Trying to kill him. It'll be like that famous scene from the movie where Luke's got the camera pointed up his nose, and he's like looking around. He goes, I think I hear a noise.

You need a wide cam for that one. He's got a wide cam, and then he's like, I hear something. Tim, do you hear that? Who is there? And then Luke goes, hold on. And then he just unholsters his sidearm, and he's like, don't move. He's armed. Don't move.

Don't make me. Put it down. Put it down. He's running away. All right, anyway, what were you talking about, Tim? You were telling me a joke? No, but moving on from that i'm curious about uh i'm i'm you you're probably pro 2a across the board absolutely yeah let's talk about guns the thing is i i know people who never even owned a gun who are now they have guns they've got ammo they're stocking up when

what's happened the last couple years has woken up a lot of people. And I'm not only my whole family knows how to, you know, shoot and all of that. We do, you know, target practice outside and at our gun club. But I think it's imperative to have the Second Amendment. The only thing keeping us America and free right now is our Second Amendment. I was going to ask you, where on the Republican political spectrum are you? Are you in the Mitt Romney authoritarian status sector, or are you in the Ron Paul, I believe, in freedom sector? Can you have that sword over there, somebody?

On what level are you? Let me just put it this way. I'm endorsed by America First. Let's say Ron Paul is 100, Mitt Romney is a zero on the freedom scale. What's your number? I'm 100. Okay. I'm 100.

I'm a Trump Republican, as I like to say. I'm endorsed by President Trump, proud of that, by Congressman Gosar, by Rick Grinnell, Michael Flynn, Mike Lindell, one of my favorite patriots. Hello, guy. So I have the America First movement firmly behind me. Well, Trump, I would say, was like a, to my opinion, my perspective, like a 45-35. I mean, he did the bump stock ban. He made a lot of incredulous moves against the Second Amendment personally.

Oh, you were talking only on the Second Amendment. No, no, no, in freedom, just freedom in general. I am 100% pro-2A, and as I say, my stance on it is shall not be infringed. I will never sign any legislation that would infringe whatsoever. Now, will you work towards repealing unconstitutional gun laws? Absolutely. But I think people think they go, oh, the governor has all the power to do everything. You have to have legislators working with you.

This is how the system works. And Arizona is a very free state when it comes to Second Amendment. I think it's probably the most free. We've had open carry. Texas didn't even have open carry until last year. Right, right. Lauren Boebert's Arizona, isn't she? No.

She's Colorado. Is she Colorado? Yeah, okay, okay. What about heavy weapons? How do you feel? How powerful a weapon do you think it should be legal for someone to carry? Are you asking like Joe Biden saying you need to have fighter jets if you're really going to take on the... Yeah, like, because people used to be able to...

They could own warships. This is something Tim quotes from time to time. People could own warships under the Second Amendment like privateers, and then the government would conscript them to go fight for them. But like private citizens could own warships. So should a private citizen be able to own a small nuclear device, nuclear device,

nuclear bomb, rocket launchers? I'm not for nuclear weapons. I'm not for private citizens. What about rocket launchers? Tough questions, huh? These are tough questions. I don't think. I am for, you know, there's probably any weapon that, any gun. I mean, I'm pro 2A, so.

I don't know. Rocket launcher. It's getting more powerful. So it's an important debate. Is a rocket launcher a firearm? Definitely. It's a ballistic. Right to bear arms.

It is arms. And so this is an issue. My attitude is private citizens should be allowed to own rocket launchers. Private citizens should be allowed to own bazookas, RPGs. Well, if you read the Second Amendment, it talks about, you know, it's not about hunting and it's not about

target shooting. Right. It's about protecting against tyranny. Which, well, it's about protecting everything. A free state, you know,

requires the people to, I'm not quoting the Second Amendment, but I'm saying, it says, you know, who can verbatim? Well, it's a well-armed militia and... I just want to... Do you want to know? Well, it's a well-armed militia.

I just want to know. Yeah, we're all looking for that. I want to read it specifically. Okay. I'll read it to you if you need it right here. A well-regulated militia. Thank you. Being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The reason I want to get it verbatim is that securing a free state, what does that mean?

Well, can you have a free state if a bunch of bears attack your city? No, not if it's a lot of them. So it's not about one thing. It's about everything. And so there's been a lot of people who have said it's specifically about when your government becomes tyrannical. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not specifically about that. It does include that.

It's also about if a foreign adversary seeks to invade your country and everyone's armed with the teeth and they're like, there's a gun behind your head of grass. If a foreign corporation hijacks your monetary supply and prints your economy into oblivion, that's threatening the security of your free state right there. What happens if someone comes to your door and tries to pull your family out and put you in a quarantine camp? Oh, yeah. That's when things go real dark real quick. Well, and I think this is why the difference between Australia, there's a million differences, and America. And I think this is why we haven't had more strong restrictions placed against us.

Right. Because, especially in a state like Arizona, behind any door, someone might have a gun. Probably does. You can see it in the way the Australian cops move, too. They have no fear. Probably does. You can see it in the way the Australian cops move, too. They have no fear. No fear. And what people need to understand, it's not an issue of assuming that Australians would be running out the door and just firing wildly. It's like Ian mentioned.

It's the fear. When the police broke down the door of Breonna Taylor's house, you know the story about Breonna Taylor? Her boyfriend fired around in the direction of the door, striking a police officer in the leg. That was ruled justified. And the charges were dropped because if you break in someone's door, they could be armed. Police in America know this. And that means regardless of what the law is, they have to contend with the fact there's an armed population.

It doesn't mean that there's going to be a bunch of right wing nut jobs taking over with guns everywhere and screaming. And, you know know when when the government does something wrong it means the government is scared to make certain moves because it's not about whether or not there's an armed militia showing up at your door and saying we hereby you know declare it's about the fact that you tried to enforce a red flag law this happened i think it was in maryland and the guy showed up with a gun fought the cops and the cops had to shoot and kill him the police understand that when you go to a door, you're not going to get someone saying,

okay, you might get a crazy person or not even a crazy person, a scared person. Yes. Right. Rana Taylor's boyfriend who just said, someone's breaking into my home, fired, hit the cop on the leg. Hey, that's America, baby. In Australia, again, like Ian said, the cops are fearless. They know they have nothing to worry about.

That's true. There's a video out of Australia where they kick the door and they walk in and start grabbing people, throwing them around. I'm like, that can't happen here in America to the same degree. Certainly there are no-knock warrants. It will never happen.

There's cops breaking into people's houses. Maybe in certain states. They were breaking into businesses a few months ago and shutting them down. But not like that and not to our... Yeah, like that. Yeah, like that. There was video footage.

What state? Where was that? I remember seeing video footage in New Jersey. There was a lady who was in her own private shop doing her own thing, and she was making baskets, I believe, if I believe the story was correctly coming off fresh of my mind. Police officers literally broke down her door

because she was open at her place of business by herself and told that her shut down immediately. In New Jersey. In North Jersey, a woman, they closed everyone's businesses and said, you're shut down. End of story. So she started live streaming on Facebook. If you want to buy any of my products, here's what I have. The police showed up and they said, ma'am, you need to shut your store down.

And she said, what are you talking about? It is shut down. I'm closed. And they go, no, you're posting things online. So these things do happen. Not like that. I mean, not to the scale that it's happening in Australia. No, no, no, no. Ian, you're posting things online you know so these things do happen not like that i mean not to the scale that it's no no no no you're still right new jersey has possibly the strictest gun laws in the country you can barely even get a gun in new jersey and if you can there's crazy rules and i'm i'm pretty sure you can't have a weapon in your place of business

i could be wrong unless you are like a security guard and you've got special certification. It is difficult and annoying. And so the police in New Jersey are substantially less worried about this is why it's so important to vote for the right people. Oh, yeah, this is this kind of stuff would not happen in Arizona, although our governor shut the state down twice. What was your take on 80 House Republicans yesterday voting for a national registry of people who are vaccinated? One of those people was, what's that Republican's name with Dan Crenshaw? Dan Crenshaw and 80 House Republicans all voted for this. How would you vote on this particular issue when it comes to a federal registry of people who are vaccinated? And what's your response to Dan Crenshaw for voting for it? You know, Dan Crenshaw used to be a really

big hero. And in some ways, I think he is a hero. I mean, he served our country valiantly, and I think he's a great guy. But some of the things he's done politically, I find alarming. That being one of them, that is a terrible idea. Now, I'm running for governor, not running for Congress. And so this is something that would be handled at the federal level. Of course, yeah. I am not for that. Governor is more important. I'm not for that.

Because as a governor, you have the authority to say, we're not going to give you the database. We're not going to give you the information or the data. Would you comply as a governor if there was a federal vaccine? I believe our governor did comply with that. In order to get the federal money, you had to agree to a bunch of stuff. New Hampshire was one of the states that actually declined the money as a state.

Would you be willing to do the same thing as governor? I would be. Okay. If it means we're going to give out, well, here's the deal. We did get a lot of money for, and then they say it's for COVID relief. Yeah.

But not if I'm going to have to give up my citizens, our citizens, my fellow citizens' information, private information. I'm impressed. I was expecting you to dance around that answer because that's a tough one, right? Well, I mean, look where it's getting us. We keep complying with the federal government and all the things they want. And look where we are right now. We're no more closer to having our freedom back.

And when do we stop and say enough is enough? We're not going to comply anymore. We're no more closer to having our freedom back. And when do we stop and say enough is enough? We're not going to comply anymore. We're going to get off the federal teat, take your money and shove it, or give us the money, but we're going to spend it the way we want to spend it. We're not going to do this, that, and the other with your money. This is why I said governor is more important. A lot of people pointed out that if Ron DeSantis were to run in 2024, Florida would lose a very powerful voice who's doing the right thing for the citizens. And so he's better working in Florida because he's created a safe haven essentially for people. They're flocking to Florida like crazy, buying up property like crazy.

Why? Freedom. Yeah. Monoclonal antibodies for free for people who are sick. Lowest COVID cases. The economy reopened a while back. You go there and you don't even realize there aren't any restrictions. You're living free.

And that's what Arizona is going to be. So I tell people too, especially with the legislatures in the states, if you keep thinking the federal government is your path to fixing your problems, you are incorrect. Ron DeSantis has proven that. Abbott to a certain degree, he's not perfect. He's coming around a little bit. Ron DeSantis has proven that. Abbott, to a certain degree, he's not perfect. We'll see. He's coming around a little bit.

Yeah. Maybe Allen West will win because he'll go much more like Ron DeSantis. And then when it comes to a potential convention of states, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, changes can be made if at the state level people vote for, and we mentioned this across the board, and also to this point, district attorneys. Very important. Big issue. But I think- And county attorneys and sheriffs.

I mean, we just have to be educated where we're going. We have to be educated. And I believe that the America First movement, and we're going to look at who's funding these people. Who are their consultants? People are waking up to it. And you mentioned some people who are still asleep, like the person you talked about earlier. A friend of mine.

Yeah. We're not going to name names, but who's just completely unaware of anything. But I think a lot of people are waking up who were never involved in politics. We're seeing them when we do events. We have a movement afoot in Arizona. We do events that thousands of people come out to. We do rallies and all kinds of rallies. And people come up to me and say, I am embarrassed to say this, but I've never voted before.

And I'm whatever age, 50 something. And I'm voting. I'm so worried about where this country, I've never been politically involved, but I know who's running, who their consultants are, what's behind them, what they believe in. So there's a lot of exciting things happen.

I'm actually very hopeful for the future. I was at a Trump rally in Fort Lauderdale back in 2016. And every single person that I talked to had said, like, I'm either independent or I've not voted before. And I was like, you're at a Republican rally. And they were like, Trump's different, man. It's, you know, a lot of these people felt like Mitt Romney, like you saw the disdain that this Luke Murkowski has for the Mitt Romneys of this country. And yet, but Trump supporters do too. They despise him this country. But Trump supporters do too. They despise him.

I do too. I do too. And Jeff Flake and John McCain. I mean, we saw a lot of that rhino. And we have that in Arizona. We have a deep, deep swamp in Arizona. And people go, don't say rhinos. Well, that's what they are.

Actually, I disagree. I think you're the rhino. I think I'm the rhino. You know what I mean by that? Why? That the establishment, the Republican Party has always been this feckless, weak, and, you know, in my opinion, well, ineffective. And what's happened now is a bunch of people like Trump, like DeSantis, and like you have

come in under the umbrella of Republican representing something with principle. And that's why I say, I think you don't want to... Well, I'm the conservative running. I'm a conservative running as a Republican. Exactly. Because the Republican Party, I do believe, is the party of Trump. It's the Trump Republican Party. Now it is.

And that is America first. And I talk to people who are establishment, and I believe I can bring people together. I was a Republican looking from the outside in before I became a politician, thinking that the party, you know, we had the rhinos and all of that. But I thought the party was more congealed and together. Now that I'm running, I realize it's so fractured. And I believe we can bring this party together. But the establishment has to realize America first is here to stay. And they should

love that. We've brought people off the sidelines, people who you mentioned at the Trump rally that I've seen at our rallies who've never voted before. But this is what I mean, basically, when I see a ton of people who are not Republicans, who are joining the Republicans, but not because of Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney is what I think of when I think of Republican. He repels people from the party. It is an elitist, corporatist, anti-American. The Koch brothers were all about the open borders and bringing in cheap labor to exploit. Even Bernie Sanders opposed it.

Trump was not like the rest of them when he came in. So he was a Republican, but just in name. He represented something new. So to be fair, I would say now the party has become the party of Trump, and now that is what it means to be Republican. So now I would say I understand when you refer to McCain and these individuals as rhinos, it's because they're the people who don't actually represent the voter base, those who are joining the party, and those who are stepping up. It's huge what's happening, though. I mean, it is so huge what's happening. It's very exciting.

We go to events, and they say, oh, can you come speak at this Republican group or wherever we go? And they call us a couple weeks later, and they say, we need to move the location. We usually get 30 people. We have 130. And this is what we're seeing everywhere we go. People are off the sidelines. They're very excited about our campaign. And we have a movement.

We have more volunteers than any other campaign in the country right now. It took us only three weeks to get our signatures to get on the ballot. It usually takes, to put that in perspective, and I'm new to politics, so I'm like, okay, three weeks. Why did it take us three weeks? And they say, Carrie, no, you don't understand. It normally takes candidates nine months to get them, and they have to pay for them. And sometimes they don't get them at all. You got your signatures in three weeks. It's never been done in the history of Arizona. Well, I mean, is any... The people are excited.

When's the election for Arizona? August 2nd. That's the primary. So of next year. Yeah. You're getting a head start, huh? We've been running since June 1st and we've been running like it was October of 22. My staff jokes

it's like we're running like it's the last month leading up to the general election. Do you have a show? Sorry to interrupt, but do you like a talk show? You'd be great. No, I need one. Yeah, a weekly talk show. I've thought about doing a podcast. So this is really interesting to watch,

but I thought it was easier than this. I thought with just me and a camera and you would bring somebody else in, but this isn't quite an ordeal. Well, it's the best way to do it because it's not scripted. You talk from your heart. You don't talk from talking points. There's nothing scripted here. And I still got a lot of questions because there's a lot of people that I know that are absolutely disenfranchised with the Donald Trump party. They're not happy that he passed gun control, that he didn't release the CIA documents, that he didn't pardon Assange, that he didn't support his supporters on January 6th. And some people are saying that this is just a two-party duopoly. What do you say to people who are disenfranchised with the left-right political

system, which they see as two sides of the same coin that are essentially representing the special interests. I'm disenfranchised with the two-party system as well, but I think President Trump did a really good job, and he did what he could. We don't know everything he was up against. I mean, he was the first one going in as an outsider into the swamp, and people go, well, he hired the wrong people. There's a lot of positions you have to hire,

and he didn't have the best people to choose from. He's working in the swamp. Fauci? He didn't hire Fauci. He could have fired Fauci. I wish he would have fired him. But he had him around him. And then what's that guy with the weird mustache?

John Bolton? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. John Bolton. I mean, that to me is not just bad people. That's really bad people. Yeah, you have to go in, and you've got to hire people, though. And he didn't make all the right decisions.

But I think he, all in all, I think he did an amazing job. He's not perfect. You know, I love it when people say about Trump, I wish his tweets would have been nicer. I wish he wouldn't have been so rough or whatever they say. And I think he's a New Yorker. The reason we got somebody who was strong enough to go up against the system to beat down all of those, what was it, 17, 18, 19 contenders, just one after the next, he brought them down. Crazy. And go in there and have the coconuts to do the right thing is because he was a tough

New Yorker. And it irritates me when people go, I wish, I like you, I really like you, Luke, but I wish you were a little less this way. Well, we don't get to do that with human beings. Are there any moves he did that you would criticize or you would do differently than he did, whether it's gun control, whether it's bombing foreign countries? Is there anything he did that you will look back and say, I didn't like this? I wouldn't do this if I was in his position.

I'm not going to sit here and criticize. I'm going to look at him and say, oh, I wish you wouldn't have done this and that. I think on average, I think President Trump did an amazing job. I don't know what he was up against during each of these pivotal moments when he was making big decisions. You know, he was really up against a lot of people. Media was on him. The swamp was on him. His own party sometimes was on him.

And I think he did the best job he could. I think his whole party was on him the entire time. The established Republicans. Even people we think were with him and then you find out, oh my gosh, that guy wasn't with him. Look at Russiagate. The Republican Party was like, well, you know, we're going to have to look into this instead of just being like shut it down. They had two years in control of Congress and they did nothing. And I think a lot of people were disillusioned by it. And Trump even said, if we lose the House, I will be impeached. And my response, you know, my attitude then is

kind of like the Republican Party wasn't doing anything for Trump. But I will say, I think it's fair to say Donald Trump should have fired Fauci. And that's at least one thing you think he should have done, right? Yeah, he should have. But I think the reason there we go is because he probably was um we we know why it was it was i think it was kushner and uh and and some of his other advisors who were like no no no no don't fire him the people love him the media loves him and we've had a few of trump's you know uh former senior individuals and people close to him who have been like he was getting advice from them saying not to get rid of fauci and he should have I mean I don't know Biden probably would have hired him back or something but so what Trump was getting bad advice from that man yeah well and you do take advice

from the people around you I think that's a smart thing to do and and maybe his gut was telling him to fire Fauci but he had a lot of people going don't do it don't do it and he's like well maybe I'm having maybe the right or you know he had some lot of people going, don't do it, don't do it. And he's like, well, maybe I'm having, maybe they're right. Or, you know, he had some smart people around him. How about firing Mark Milley? Mark Milley. Who was he? What was his name?

Right, Mark Milley? Yeah, it's Mark Milley. Yeah, the general. Oh, the general Milley. Oh my gosh. The one who, when they walked out to the church and then he bad-mouthed that move. Or who said, you know,

we need to look into white rage or whatever. Yeah, yeah. He should have fired that guy. Yes, he should have fired that guy yes he should have fired that guy well i think he talks about it the tv generals versus the what does he call them the ones who go on all the talking heads and then the real generals yeah he should have pardoned julian assange on his way out but i also think why do you think he didn't do that i think people need to understand the power of the bureaucratic state and i think ramifications if he did that and what they might have pulled yes i think people you know people assume that once trump got the seat of power that he could have just you know pen stroked all of

these things he could not do that and as much as i wanted him ross albrecht and julian assange should have both been pardoned i feel like he was sitting there and he probably, there's something we don't know. And he was like, here's who I can pardon. Here's who I can't because they will absolutely get revenge on you. And this is why I say when you bring all these things up, we don't know all of the different variables that were at play in these. So I don't want to sit and criticize who I think was one of the greatest presidents or if not the greatest president in these. So I don't want to sit and criticize who I think was one of the greatest presidents, or if not the greatest president in my lifetime. I personally think everyone should be criticized,

especially if they're in power. But we're also dealing with a situation that, of course, we're looking from the outside in. And that's why I like talking to individuals, getting their perspective, getting their honest kind of takes on this. Because another thing I wanted to add, Tim, to your point, he was facing retaliation about potentially being attacked.

But the way Donald Trump left, he was viciously attacked. I know. And there's a lot of things that happened. He's not in office right now. They're still attacking him and blaming him for everything. Well, I agree with you on the incident where it came to the corporate media. They became hysterical, nonsensical, and totally erratic when it came to any kind of news reporting surrounding him, because every little thing he did, they would trump up as Hitler, which

was absolutely insane. It was nonsensical. It was garbled nonsense. And they attacked him on no real legitimate critical issues that I believe he should have been criticized on. And that's why I'm kind of bringing up the point and starting this conversation, because I want to have an honest conversation about what I really think, what you really think, and who you really are. And I think that's important to lay out.

I think it was, I could be wrong about this, Sheldon Adelson, is that his name? Adelson? Yes, Adelson. I could be wrong about this, so definitely fact check me, but I believe the reason he hired Bolton was because when he got support in his campaign from Adelson, that's how you pronounce it, that he was like, I want you to hire John Bolton. And Trump was like, OK, you know, makes sense. And Bolton is an idiot, in my opinion. You know, he had this line. I remember when he said it, but it was during the Trump years.

By this time next year, we'll be celebrating in Tehran to imply the United States would invade Iran and then have a stage set up celebrating their victory in a year. To me, it's absolutely insane. People don't understand that Iran is not Afghanistan or Iraq. It is a massive mountainous developed nation. And to have people who are just fervently like pro-war. Well, Trump wasn't pro-war. But maybe he felt if he keeps his enemies close, you know? I think Obama thought that too when he got all those corporate guys to surround him

in the first couple weeks of his administration, then he got co-opted. I know Trump isn't pro-war, but Trump was, he was lied to for one, so I'll give him that. When he was trying to withdraw from Syria and from Afghanistan, his own people in the government reportedly were lying when it came to Syria they lied about the amount of troops we had there so that Trump thought we withdrew everyone and they kept them in that is insane that's a lie to the American people Trump still did have commando raids in Yemen arms deals in Saudi Arabia what's going on in Yemen is absolutely horrifying and he did fire what was it 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.

And then the media praises him to a certain degree because of it. So I'll just put it this way. I certainly think Trump was surprisingly the best I've seen in my lifetime in terms of withdrawing from Afghanistan. And then Joe Biden screws the whole thing up. Oh, my gosh. It's horrible. Miserable screw up. And the media doesn't talk about it. It's a surrender.

It's like a two-day story. Joe Biden is a 20-year war that we're winning and he surrenders. I think Joe Biden may be the worst. Maybe it's not fair to say the worst. The weapons they left behind were the most top-grade weapons that are out there. $85 billion worth. How come I'm hearing from my mother and people that these weapons are obsolete? They're like, oh, the weapons that they left there aren't even any good anyway.

Like that's kind of they spun. The media has spun. That's not true. That's not true. No, they were flying one of the helicopters around. Yeah. Now, they're not going to be able to maintain them or anything like that. But when I saw Donald Trump, this is one of the greatest moments of the Trump presidency.

When he comes out, the helicopter is roaring and the press has some going on. And he's like, we're going to do an excellent weapons deal with Saudi Arabia. It's going to be great for the economy. And all of the anti-war left, just like their jaws hit the floor, like he just came out and admitted what the United States does. We're going to go keep the oil in Syria. It's going to be ours.

We're going to keep the troops there protecting our oil, which we're going to get money from. Well, these companies sell weapons. I mean, they're big companies. They don't sell – the grade of weapon they sell outside of the United States military is lower grade. This is why Trump was one of the best presidents we've ever had, at least in the modern era, because when he couldn't get the troops out of Syria because he wanted a complete withdrawal and they were like, no, we have to keep some in, he goes out publicly and says, you know,

I wanted to get the troops out of Syria, but we got to keep it about 200 so we can take the oil and i was just like keep talking keep talking let everybody hear what you're saying i think trump knew what he was doing when he was saying that stuff i think trump likes the idea of you know america being great and a strong military but trump's america first trump wanted oil produced here he made he helped make and he helped maintain american energy independence and then joe biden drops the fumbles the ball gives the nord stream 2 to russia and now is begging opec to give us oil because we're in trouble then he releases strategic oil that lasts us two days joe biden is trash fumble implies an

error i don't believe it was an error. I think he intentionally did this. And think of the jobs, the tens of thousands of jobs that were lost. Look at our gas prices. I don't know what they are here. It's got to be a lot more than an error. Arm and a leg. $350, yeah.

I thought it would be higher this close to D.C. Yeah, so it's actually way worse in Colorado than it is here, which was really surprising to me. Try California. Oh, yeah, I know California. But, you know, we're looking at all of our energy prices going up. Right. They shut down a coal industry. They're shutting down the coal industry, so we're going to look at all the prices going up.

Thank God we have a great nuclear power plant in Arizona with lots of – I believe in clean energy, but I also believe in energy that works. I want to know when I turn my air conditioner on in Arizona, I'm going to get the air conditioner is going to work. There's going to be power for it. My bill's not going to bring me under and keep me from being able to feed my family. So I want energy that is clean, of course, but I think nuclear energy is clean. I completely agree. And all this push for wind and solar, that's great.

Fine. If you want to go that way, that's great. But we have to have energy that is reliable. Nuclear energy is green. There's no carbon emissions. And it has some of the highest energy output, energy earned on energy invested. Yet it is, for whatever reason, progressives, and as much as I'm a fan, even Tulsi Gabbard opposes nuclear energy. And it makes no sense.

Well, a problem with its reliability is that it's centralized in plants and that if the power grid goes down, you can't access it. Well, they have the new mini, there's a name for it, the fancier name. Mini nukes? The mini nuclear plants, they are. Are they really? And you can pack them together if you need, depending on how much power. One, two, three, you can do a six-pack of them and provide power.

This is the future, trust me. I heard Bill Gates was working on this. I think, I'm going to look it up really quickly. Now you're creeping me out. And I think that project failed. We'll just go back to throwing some wood on the fire to heat.

Yeah. I'm going to look this up. Speaking of which, I'm from Arizona, okay? It's freezing in here. You guys are all like... Thank you. What?

Thank you. I'm wearing a sweater. I wear blankets and sweaters. It's like 70 here. You guys are all like... Thank you. What? Thank you. I'm wearing a sweater. I wear blankets and sweaters. It's like 70. CBS News. Bill Gates' mini nukes. Not a wacky idea as energy vision as you think. This is CBS News.

This is the future. Look into it. 71. 71 degrees in here. I think it's actually... It says 70, 67. I think it's 67 in here. That's not reading the right temperature.

It's probably 61 in here, maybe. 67 is where it's set to. The current temperature is 71. I mean, my room is 74, and it's like 10 or 15 degrees warmer than this room. Well, in Arizona, and this is probably going to shock people, even from Arizona watching, in the summer, we keep our air conditioner at like 80, 82. Does that seem really hot? Yes.

When it's 110 outside, though? Yeah. Yeah, but it's dry. Oh, then it's's 110 outside, though? Yeah, but it's a dry heat. It's a dry heat. It's fine. You don't notice it as much because it's just like you're sweating. It's evaporating instantly. It gets cold at night, though. It does. In the winter, very cold. Very cold. What does it get to at night in the winter? It can get down

in December or January. It can get down in the 30s and 40s at night. It really gets cold at night. It's like a – I've been to Phoenix a few times. It's a huge swing from night and day, right? Very big. I remember – The dry conditions.

So we can – dry air heats up faster and it also cools down faster. No clouds. I remember I was skating in Phoenix and it was like 108 and then at night it was 50. Is the Grand Canyon – does it run through Arizona? Yeah, we have one of the seven wonders of the world in Arizona. We're the Grand Canyon state. I drove through there from LA to Ohio. And the heat, it got so cold around the canyon because I think the heat was falling into the canyon.

Oh, interesting. What time of year was that? The heat goes up again. Well, there is no such thing as cold. Cold is only when the heat goes from one to the other. So the heat would be going up. It would be colder in the canyon. But is only when the heat goes from one to the other. Right, so the heat would be going up. It would be colder in the canyon. But I think literally the heat was falling into the canyon.

Hot air was falling in because it's so heat-based. You can see it. I've been to Arizona. What time of year was it when you were there? In winter? Like three years. No, it was in the summer. It was in June of like three years ago.

And it got down to like 38 at night with black ice. Now, I've been to Arizona a lot. It's a beautiful state, especially Sedona. So I just kind of want to ask you. I was married in Sedona, by the way. How are you going to get the hippies to vote for you in Sedona? What is your Sedona hippie policy? Sedona is changing.

I was there for an event. It was a meet and greet at someone's home. We had about, I don't know, 75 or 100 people. And I said, please don't just bring people who already like me. I want you to bring people in who are like, I don't know. And she brought 10 Democrats in who are not happy with the direction the country is going. Nine of them ended up changing their party affiliation after our meet and greet. So people are waking up to this nonsense that's happening. The leftist

policies don't work. Theist policies don't work. The liberal policies don't work. And we can see it. We have a, and I don't know how the situation is here regionally, but we have got a state called California. Some call it California right next to us. And this is the state that we escaped to in those June days where it's 120 degrees and we want to go to the beach.

People aren't even doing that anymore. California is so wrecked from decades of liberal policy. So people are seeing it in Arizona. And Sedona's changed quite a bit because Californians have been moving over. You know, you've heard the don't California my Arizona, don't California our Arizona. The situation's gotten so bad in California that people are just fleeing. They're picking up and they're buying homes in Arizona. And it's changing the landscape of Arizona. And Arizonans don't like it. So they're waking up in places like Sedona. There are still some hippie enclaves. There's nothing wrong with hippies. I like hippies. He is a hippie. Sedona is changing, and people are just wanting a little

more common sense. They don't want to see this influx of California ideas and policies coming in. You got to vote for the candidate who says California. Right, yeah, exactly. I mean, have you been there lately? It's pretty bad. It is. We used to want to go to the beach, you know, let's take a weekend. And I don't even want to do it anymore. I'll just swim in the pool. It's happening in West Virginia a bit too, because in DC, it's really bad. So what happens is the

more the wealthier DC people and they're also the periphery of Maryland and Virginia. They're moving further west and West Virginia is pretty awesome. And so what's happening is these people are moving to West Virginia and then going they're going on Facebook that live in the mountain not too far from me and they're like, I heard someone shooting their

guns and this is inappropriate. There are children calling 911. And everyone's like yeah, it was probably like scaring off a bear or something. So if you're worried about being here, just want to let you know, people shoot guns all the time. One of the things that we're hearing is like there will be like a shooting range. And then all of these urban liberals move around it knowing this and signing an agreement saying you realize there's a shooting range. But then once they have the dominant majority, they all say, yeah, well, now we're going to vote to change it away. Or they get into the city council, the town council and change it.

Yep. And so in West Virginia, where I'm at, there are communists. And I'm not using that word as a pejorative. I'm not using it disparagingly. Literal people who are of communist persuasion getting elected in local elections. And people don't know because they're not putting their party affiliation for some of these positions. And they're running on a post in some circumstances, like you mentioned with this guy in Arizona. Well, we just was I think it was in New York.

Some of some of these protests are saying the only option is going. What did you hear that when they were protesting? Was it Chicago? Yeah. The only solution is revolution, communist revolution. Yeah, I mean, and this is... In Arizona, ASU, that student holding up the sign, Death to America.

This is what we're churning out in these schools, and it has an effect. They're pretty young right now, but when they get older and they start moving around Tim's place, taking over. I just found this out because of Josie, the redheaded libertarian. And it's apparently that communists aren't people under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Yeah, I saw that.

So fact check me on this one. Okay. I don't have a computer. What she pulled up, you fact checked it? No, I trust her. She's very knowledgeable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it talks about what you can or can't do.

You can't discriminate for this and that reasons. But apparently there's a provision that says this will not be construed to provide protections to members of communist organizations or affiliated groups under the American Sedition Clause or something like this. I bring that up not because I think communists are

entitled to their free speech and activism, but I do wonder if there is a line for sedition. You know, we used to take it very, very, very seriously that if there were people that were going out outright saying, we will destroy this country, they'd be like, okay, well, now that you said that, whatever you do, we're going to be watching out to make sure you're not committing sedition. That is, you know, seeking to subvert or destroy the United States. A lot of people incorrectly say treason or treason is providing aid or abetting foreign adversaries.

I wonder, how do we survive as a country? Because we believe in free speech, even for people who hate this country. But when you have a massive population, not the biggest, they're kind of fringe, but they're still around 8% to 10% of people who believe this country is evil and racist and literally are saying on TV they want to destroy it.

If we just sit back and say, okay, then they will. Well, and they're being taught Marxism in schools. We're seeing it in universities. It's not being called that. They don't say, we're sitting you down, class, and we're teaching you Marxism today. They're teaching them the tenets of that. And then they start to take on that belief system, that ideology,

and they are churned out into our world. Well, the lifestyle. It's dangerous, and it will kill this country. So what do we do? Well, we have to start in the schools. We have to stop this curriculum. This is why it gets right down to the most important vote that you place is for your school board.

And we've got to get more parents involved. Like I said, this one creep that was on the school board, he still is. We're trying to recall him right now. He got on because nobody else ran. And I'll take a little bit of the blame as a parent. I'm sure a lot of them who are looking at this situation now going, why didn't I run? But we just weren't aware. And now we are, so we have to jump in. And it's a grind to run for public office. Yeah, absolutely. It's a sacrifice, but we have to do it. We don't get this free, wonderful country if we don't all get involved and stay involved.

If you would become governor, what would be your first call of action? What would you do when you first get in there? There's so many things, and I've talked about a lot of them. I mean, where do you want to start? Do you want to start on the board? Your one thing, the first thing. You sit down at the office. The first thing I'm going to do right now, what is that?

Well, there's a lot of things, but let's talk about it. We can talk about the border. We can talk about schools. I want to end all agreements that we've made with China. I want to bring manufacturing back to Arizona. We saw what happened during COVID. We couldn't even get medicine. We were out of toilet paper, for God's sakes.

And now we're relying on our, think about this, our medicines to come from China, the country that started this whole thing up. And this is just unbelievable. So we've got to bring manufacturing back. I would cancel any deal we have with China, with the Communist Party. We're not going to work with the Communist Party. We can't compete with them when they have slave labor making all the junk that they send over. We don't want that junk anymore. We don't want to live with that on our conscience that we have a bunch of junk we're buying

that's made by people who are making this against their will. I would immediately, if anybody, and I've said this many times, if anybody is fined or charged with breaking a mask mandate or COVID mandate for standing up for liberty, I would pardon them on day one, a mass pardon of anybody who gets a ticket or an infraction or loses an infraction on their business license for standing up to this. Because we have to have somebody who's looking out for the people who are showing courage at this time. It's very hard to show courage. And we saw it in the last five years. People got canceled for saying something or putting a tweet out that talked about what their belief was. And they got canceled and they'd lose a job. Well, we need to get beyond that and start making

courageous moves. So we have to reward people who are courageous and do the right thing. And if that's a business that's pushing back against mandates and they get fined, we're going to relieve them of those fines because they did the actual right thing. Have you ever thought about setting up a state cryptocurrency if the U.S. government were to cut off the state for ignoring their mandates? Interesting. I've actually had a lot of people talk to me about crypto. What do you think? I mean, how would that look? I'm not an expert on everything. I always say that. But I'm always open to hear ideas. What are your ideas?

I'm not an expert. I wouldn't think of myself as an expert. But I would like to see every state have its own cryptocurrency, maybe a federal cryptocurrency as well that we could intertrade. Well, I believe the Constitution talks specifically about currency and who can set it up. Yeah, nobody other than Congress is supposed to do that. Yet they set up the Federal Reserve to do it, basically ignoring their constitutional duty. It's infuriating. At this point, the reins are in your hand

as a state governor. I think you would use it to trade only within the state at first because the U.S. federal government wouldn't legitimize it. They'd try and stop it. It might cause more problems, but if they're going to cut off financial services to the state, then what other... That's a a scary prospect if we get to the point where you

know we already have desantis saying we need a civilian uh military to be brought back because well he didn't say this but it's obvious it's not working between you know joe biden and florida joe biden's agenda is clearly cutting off red states who are not falling in line with the but we have to have governors like desantisantis and like the governor I'll be, where we stand back and we say, you're not going to fly people in here overnight. We're going to fly them to your state. You saw what's happening with Joe Biden taking the kids in the middle of the night and flying over Tennessee.

I mean, that is evil. He's smuggling children. That is violent trafficking. Yeah, my. It's crazy. It's unbelievable. And I love that Governor DeSantis, he does a lot of things that I've actually talked about when we're doing rallies and such. We're talking about the end.

Vote for me and I'll just do what DeSantis does. No, and I talked about that. I said we need people who are strong and going to do the right thing. A good leader knows right from wrong and does the right thing no matter what kind of pressure they're under. And our current governor didn't do that. He is a Republican, but when it came time to shut our state down, he folded when the leftist mayors of Tucson and Phoenix and Flagstaff were pressuring him to shut the state down and mask our children. And he folded every single time to the activists in the media.

You're sitting there watching going, come on, do the right thing, Governor Ducey, do the right thing. And it was so disappointing. He shut our state down twice. So we need strong people that don't just wait to see, what's Governor DeSantis going to do? Okay, people like that, then I'll do it. We need people who are going to do the right thing first. Governor DeSantis might even copy me. And I love Governor DeSantis. So DeSantis can run for re-election saying, I'm going to do what Kerry Lake's been doing.

No, I mean, he's a rock star. Don't get me wrong. We need more people like that. People who've got a backbone. I'm told not to say balls, so I'm going to do what Kerry Lake's been doing. No, I mean, he's a rock star. Don't get me wrong. We need more people like that. People who've got a backbone. I'm told not to say balls, so I'm going to say backbone. We need people with a backbone. And the problem is we get so many people who run, and it's hard to run unless you have a machine behind you. I'm fortunate. I've got almost 30 years in Arizona. People know who I am. They've invited me into their home. They trust me. I understand the state.

I've covered the issues for nearly three decades. And I've got huge name ID. You can't put a price on that. I've got 85% name ID in the state of Arizona. I'm running and being funded by the people of Arizona, not the swamp. But if any other person wants to run, they have to find a funding source. That's what I feel like political parties are. Yeah. Do you ever think about just shirking political parties completely and once you're,

even after you're in office? Well, I mean, I think being a Trump Republican, you know, when Trump started out, it was almost shirking. He was like a libertarian, liberal guy that went in and just was like, what party should I pick? This one looks easier, so I'll go that direction. Well, but no, he's a conservative. I mean, I think Trump is a conservative, for sure.

Interesting. I mean, at the time, conservatives didn't like him because they were he's he's a conservative i mean i think trump is a conservative for sure i mean at the time people were conservatives didn't like him because they're like he's a new york liberal you know so he's not far left or anything the establishment didn't like him they did they were like oh crap he might win but i'll tell you what was really interesting i think it was vox who wrote that the democrats had gone nuts because trump had stolen some of their core policy positions, like working with unions and the working class stuff. And it's just populism. It's just America first. Yeah.

And we're going to help the workers of America. But Democrats were like, okay, now what do we do? Well, the Democrats sold out the worker. Oh, yeah. Right? With NAFTA. They sold out the worker. Under Bill Clinton, we started to deal with China.

The political elite, and when I say that, that's Democrat and Republican sold out this country and the working man and woman. Even before that, with Kissinger literally sending over all the jobs to China, getting rid of domestic manufacturing in the United States. Upstate New York, it's like a graveyard of old factories rusting and falling apart in Michigan. This is what happens when you're not America first. You want to know what I'm just, man, this gives me hope. White pill, we say. I don't like having politicians on the show very often. You know, I talked to Lydia about booking politicians.

It's challenging because politicians, they give you politician answers. And I think you've been absolutely forthcoming. I'm not a politician. And that's the thing. There's a lot of people and they're like, well, you I think you've been absolutely forthcoming. I'm not a politician. And that's the thing. There's a lot of people and they're like, well, you know, I've got to be careful. And I'm like, here we go. I was like, tell us what you want to do.

Tell us what you think. But regardless of that, I will say to the people we've had on who have been running, it's been infinitely better than the traditional TV run, fake personality. This is why things are changing. Because you came on the show. We had never talked before this. Lydia books you. You show up. We meet for the first changing because you came on the show. We had never talked before this.

Lydia books you. You show up. We meet for the first time. I drive through the woods and I'm thinking this is going to be the end of me. But what happens is we come upstairs,

we sit down, we turn the cameras on live and we just talk. Yeah. No script. So no script. It's so funny because my opponents will say,

oh, she won't talk and I'm like, are you kidding You need to follow me around I answer I always say They go What do you want to talk about

I go ask me anything I have to ask you this Because a lot of people I'm sorry Tim Are commenting in your chat room About weed Yes Where do you stand

On personal use Of drugs for individuals And the larger concept Of victimless crimes What's your stance On those issues Oh okay Well we do have Recreational pot use use of drugs for individuals and the larger concept of victimless crimes. What's your stance on those issues? Oh, okay. Well, we do have recreational pot use in Arizona, and that's been settled.

I think we need to follow the law, though I don't want it getting in the hands of my children. I don't think it's good for their developing minds. So we need to really be strict with the laws on that. I'm not going to go in and just start revoking laws that the people have passed. But you do have recreational use for- In Arizona, we do. 18 and older, is it? Is it 18 and older for recreation?

Yeah, 18. No, I think it's 21. Like alcohol? Yeah, I think it's 21. I should know that, but I don't. See, I don't know, Luke. You thought you had a gotcha, but it was an easy one. It wasn't a gotcha.

It's your comment section literally sped. Ask her about weed. Ask her about weed. Ask her about weed. Yeah, I think they want to act like I'm anti-marijuana. If you want to do that, if that's what you're into, great. If you want to smoke cigarettes and that's what you're into in your legal age, as long as you're following the law, I want to make sure we do follow the law because I do think it's really bad for young people's developing minds.

If they're using that and they're going to school, it's already difficult enough. I agree. Because if you have a law that's a really bad law, that's like the Nazis made laws that made it illegal to be Jewish, as a governor, as someone in control and supposed to be like, my job is to uphold the law, what do you do when you come across a bad law like that? Well, I think what you do as a governor is you come in

and you start working with the legislature and you say, here are my priorities. We need to make sure we're protecting families. We're helping businesses grow. And I'm talking Arizona businesses. We've really neglected Arizona businesses. The small businesses, medium-sized businesses really suffered under our two shutdowns in Arizona. Now everyone's asking about DMT. Sorry.

What is that? Dimethyltryptamine. It's a chemical that is produced in your brain and animals and plants that causes you to do massive... Everyone has a breakthrough trip when you smoke it, apparently. The thing is that we have so many serious issues right now. We've got our schools teaching Marxism to our kids, teaching anti-American history.

We have our border that's wide open. Fentanyl coming from China. China sending their fentanyl to Mexico for the cartels to run across our border is coming in. We've got defund the police effort going on in our state. Our crime is through the roof up hundreds of percent, thousand percent. Murder rates, violent crime. I mean, I could go on and on. The list goes on.

We've got water water crisis in arizona that we have to confront we have a ton of issues so i mean we can go into all these smaller things that dm tmt yeah i'm just trying to get a little the priorities are well it's you know dmt it's illegal It's a federally illegal, considered an illegal drug, but it's relatively easy to synthesize the body. So whether or not it should be illegal, I guess maybe. Let me turn it back on you guys.

What do you think about California and Oregon where you just openly can shoot up drugs? We stopped going to San Francisco. We used to go to San Francisco in the summer. Again, we stopped going to California pretty much. And we were there with our little ones. Our kids were little. And we literally walked by two people shooting up drugs.

And it was so horrifying. Covering the kids' eyes. And that was kind of the beginning of the real fall of San Francisco. I think all drugs should be legal recreationally. All drugs. However, hard drugs have to be done in facilities. It would be regulated to a certain degree. All drugs. However, hard drugs have to be done in like facilities. It would be regulated to a certain degree.

And I'll speak lightly on this to a certain degree. I like what Portugal has done in terms of reducing a lot of the addiction. I think we need to treat drug abuse like a disease. I'm not saying it is a disease, but I think we need to treat it as like something that needs to be solved for people and not putting people in prison because of it. So I think the way we've handled victimless crimes over drug use has been absolutely wrong. And you get someone who gets it. I'll use the opioid crisis because it's a really good example that hits home for a lot of people who lost their jobs. You get their factories shipped overseas. You get these people who are struggling to make ends meet.

Some of them get hurt. Some of them get prescribed opioids. Some of them fall into it because they're desperate and depressed. And now they're going to be locked up in prison because of it. No, no, no. This is a failing of the establishment political class gutting our system,

allowing Big Pharma. Allowing drugs to pour in. From China and through Big Pharma. And so I look at it like, here's what I think. We should not be imprisoning people for this. You catch someone on the street, the police should be like, you're coming with us, sir, to this facility where we're going to get you cleaned. We're going to help you out. You can do it, but it has to be done under these strict guidelines so you're not in the middle of the street. You give it to kids, felony.

I agree. Any of that distribution of kids stuff I don't stand for, but I don't like the idea of victimless crimes. I don't know. I won't pretend to have all the solutions. There's a lot of despair right now. And you talked about even with social media and what you're seeing. You think you're calling up what you want to see, but the tech tyrants are really pushing a lot of despair our way as well. There's despair in the culture that is around us.

There's despair in the way our kids are being taught. When you're taught that, you know, America's a bad place and just all of the, to judge somebody by the color of their skin with some of the racist stuff they're pushing with CRT and SEL. You know, I'm a big believer in the words of Martin Luther King Jr. You judge someone by the content of their character, but we're pushing just so much negativity everywhere that our kids are depressed. And then the shutdown on top of it, you know, our shutdown caused by Fauci's mandates and, you know, each county, I'm sure your county had one. We had a state health director who did more to damage our health in Arizona than improve it. These shutdowns caused mental illness to spike, drug overdoses to spike, isolation to spike, depression to spike drug overdoses to spike isolation to spike depression to spike people lost their lives because of these shutdowns they did not help our health they hurt our health

and so there's just a lot of despair and you see why we're gonna go to their lives because of the suicide absolutely it's it's horrifying when i when i did the prager you video i talked about i lived in a neighborhood with a lot of elderly neighbors. They're wonderful. And my neighbor, one of my neighbors, was the most beautiful 90-year-old woman ever. She swam every day. She walked. She had lunch with her friends. And I saw her about six months into this whole shutdown and all of it.

She was in a walker walking to the mailbox. And I didn't even recognize her. I mean, I stopped the car and I looked at her and I was like, oh my gosh. What has happened? Her life, you know, these later years, it's so important for our older people to stay active and, you know,

it's just really tragic. And that's when I realized the propaganda being put out is dangerous and it's killing people and I will not be a part of that. We're going to go to Super Chats, take some audience questions. So I will say, thank you all for your Super Chats. Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, become

a member at TimCast.com. I'm going to try and go through this and find questions directly for Carrie. Usually we'll just read a bunch of stuff, but for everybody who has a question for you, you know. Can I say one thing? Because my husband keeps looking at me. CarrieLake.com K-A-R-I-L-A-K-E.com. You can see where I stand on.

You can see my platform. Not everything is covered there. People will say, what about DMT? Is that what it was? Yeah, DMT, you're there. I do not have a platform item on DMT. That'll be 2026, right? So I'll address that real quick.

Just it's a fascinating drug. They're doing a lot of research on it. And people say that they have very profound experiences. It's unique to any other drug. But more importantly, a lot of the stories about it are that people who take it in the same space experience the same thing. And it makes them feel like there's something bigger there. That's why it always comes up, DMTO or something. You take it every night. Do you DMT. You take it every night.

Do you know that? You take it every night when you dream. It's a natural chemical. I'm a big, big believer in prayer. And I think that there's a lot of, we've taken God out of our entire society. And that started really in the 60s. And everyone's got an emptiness inside of them that your faith and God can fill. But we've taken that out of our society.

And everyone has that emptiness, and they're going to fill it with something. So you need to find something. And I'm a big believer in prayer and the Bible. And I'm not trying to push that. If you want that, that's fine. But I'm not going to experiment with DMT. I'm fine with prayer.

And I think that... There's a lot of power in that. I've noticed when I'm thinking and kind of meditating, and I guess praying is one way of thinking, I'll think like, I'll figure out the answer. I'll think that, for instance. And that'll give me a very different response than what is the answer.

Like if I'm talking to something, and it seems to respond more than just telling myself I'm going to figure it out. Like there's a reciprocation. Yeah. A friend of mine said to me, I was waking up a lot in the middle of the night, like three o'clock. And she said, oh, that's just God telling you, you haven't had time to pray. God knows you're alone. And that's when my life has been very busy lately. And so now instead of when I wake up at three in the morning, I don't say, oh my gosh, I'm sleepless. I go, oh, this is a really great opportunity to talk to God.

And it's so important, and I wish more of our kids had access to faith. We've got a lot of atheists out there, and their children have never been raised to even know about the Bible. I think it's worth teaching our kids about. I'll tell you this. I'm not an atheist. I believe in God, but I'm not theistic. I grew up Catholic briefly. I do not believe in the Bible, but I certainly value a lot

of what's in it because I've had a lot of great philosophical discussions in that regard. And I think a wise person, a smart person, is going to try and read as much as they can to understand as much as they can. We've got to go to Super Chats. Oh, I'm fired up. So we have a ton of Super Chats just saying they're from Arizona and they're big fans.

And I'm trying to make sure I pull up the ones that are questions for you. And I kind of feel funny because I've seen so many political interviews where the questions are always the lamest questions. So, guys, feel free. Luke asked about DMT. Super Chat us whatever question. Are you saying that was a lame question or a good question? That was a good question. Okay, yeah.

Because you stumped me. I was like, I don't – Obama – Is this a machete, by the way, in sitting in front of you? Yes, it is. It is. So look, look, look. I'm listening to like an interview with Obama, and he's like, we're going to take real questions online.

And I'm like, oh, they're going to ask about the kids he bombed. And they're like, I'm wondering about paying for tuition. So here's a question. Are you the greatest or the great president? Throw me anything. But this one so far is just a very general basic question from Riker Ruiz. He says, Carrie, I'm an Arizona native, and I feel like I'm being priced out of my own state. What will you do about this as a governor?

We need to build more homes. I mean, we've got to build more homes right now. And we need to make it easier on the home builders. Right now, I talk to people who are developers, and they say 25% of the price of a home is taxing and excessive permits and things like that. There's a lot of regulation that goes into the pricing on a home. But we're also seeing Californians come over. They come over, and let's say Ian's selling his house for $250,000. And you come over from California and you go, I've got a ton of cash. I'm just going to offer you $275,000. Arizonans can't do that. They're trying to, so all the Californians are buying it. The

house prices keep going up, up, up. And we really need to build a wall between Arizona and California. I'm just joking. But we have the Californians coming in, and they're bringing the prices up, and so we really do need to. I wish Californians would stay and try to fix their state so that Arizona can have prices for homes that are reasonable. Have you looked into 3D printing housing? No, I haven't. 3D printing housing technology is pretty cool.

It is cool, but I want to try to raise as many questions as I can. Yeah, we've got a 3D printing housing technology is pretty cool. It is cool. But I want to try and raise as many questions as I can. Yeah, we've got a bunch of questions. So we've got William Martin. He says, hello, Carrie Lake. This may be a long shot, but are you aware of a YouTuber named Razorfist? He is very tuned in Arizona politics, and I believe he has been supportive of your campaign in the past. I have not heard of him.

Him or her. I don't know. Razorfist. Yeah, he's a dude. I felt like that was a great question. It's an easy answer. No, Him or her. I don't know. Razorpust. Yeah, he's a dude. I felt like that was a great question. It's an easy answer. No, I'm sorry. I haven't.

I thank him for his support. I've seen his stuff. He does great work. And he lives in Arizona. He does? He's in Arizona? Yeah. He did not like John McCain, I recall.

A lot of people did. Well, there you go. Maybe you guys can connect. A lot of people. Yeah. A lot of support here. Let me see. Got to try and find a good direct question.

Everyone's just being so nice. Everyone's nice. A lot of people are saying they're big fans. They're from Arizona. You can read those. You're just glazing right over the... It's getting quiet now. He's like, Tim's like, we've got to get to these questions.

We've got to get to them. We're all sitting here looking at Tim going, come in. I'll have like two right there. But a lot of them are just very much big support for you. And so I want to make sure we get an opportunity to actually have questions that people might not normally get because this is that opportunity. I'm telling you guys, this is your opportunity to ask literally anything. I mean, if you ask something that's completely untoward, I obviously won't. Figuratively.

Yeah. Art Vandelay. Ah, art. Good to hear from you. Vandelay Industries. That's right. That's right. You get the reference, right?

Yeah. Great to see Carrie on IRL. Just donated $100 to our campaign. Thank you. Carrie. Carrie, no more CRT, no more woke insanity. The AZ universities don't fulfill their charter. This needs to be fixed ASAP, and you're the

only one who will do it. I will. I've been calling out ASU, and I've been calling out Michael Crow, the president. I don't think any I know of any politician who's called him out by name. Very powerful guy, but we're supposed to have an affordable education at ASU, and the price keeps going up, up,

up, up, up. And it's become a woke institution. We don't want that in Arizona. And we should be holding back some of the state funds. Some or all of them, if they're going to continue along, if they're teaching kids to hate this country, that they're putting up signs, death to America, something's wrong at ASU. And they're throwing a fit because a student by the name of Rittenhouse dared to apply or to attend online. This is wrong. And we need Michael Crowe to stand up as the president of ASU and say, this is nonsense. We're going to stop it. And the governor should be calling him and saying,

what the hell's going on over there? This is ridiculous. It'd be a good debate between you and him. Between Michael Crowe and me? Yeah. That would be interesting. Well, the debates are going to be fun. I can't wait. I still sometimes look back at Trump's debates and I think that was some of the best debating I've ever seen.

Oh, man. Absolutely. Funniest. And people go, oh, he wasn't a good debater. I'm like, are you kidding me? That was the best debating. It was WWE. It was. Alright, here's one that can get us in trouble, but I'm going to read it anyway because I'm not going to shy away from these questions.

So keep in mind. Nicholas DeLay says, hi, Carrie. Buckeye resident here. Miss you on the news. The Razor Force has your back. Have you talked to Tim about the 2018 mail-ins for Kristen Cinema? No. Do you know about that?

What's he referring to? The 2018? Mail-ins. I'm assuming that means ballots or something. Yeah. I mean, does he want to expound on that just a bit? No, no. That's the question.

I didn't know if you knew about it. We had election problems in 2018 that were never looked into. Interesting. There were issues. I remember with the chain of command. There were issues with chain of command. And Adrian Fontes was in charge in 2018. He's still in charge.

He's now running for secretary of state, which is even scarier. He was in charge in 2018. He's still in charge. He's now running for Secretary of State, which is even scarier. He was in charge of Maricopa County elections. Now he's running for Secretary of State. These are people we don't want running our elections. They can't even admit that there were major problems. So I don't know how deep we want to get into the elections. But we, as Arizonans, need to really look at the people running our elections because we've had some shady characters. Or get a governor who's going to, you know. Well, I mean, when I'm governor, we're going to go through that forensic audit and we're going to fix everything.

And if people defrauded the voters, and I don't want to get into too much detail because I know YouTube has some issues with us talking about that because there's censorship, unfortunately, in this country. And it's going to become outlawed in Arizona. We're not going to allow censorship. But anybody who defrauded the voters is going to be investigated, and they should be locked up right now, frankly. They should be locked up right now. And I'm not the governor right now, and I'm not the attorney general, but these people need to go in there and do their damn job.

All right. We got Frank Reynolds. He says, Rand Paul for President 2024. Would you support? Well, if President Trump runs in 2024, I'm going to support President Trump. I like Rand Paul. If President Trump says, you know what? I've had it with this.

I'm going to just enjoy. I mean, he's got a great life. I'm going to get golf or whatever. Then I would look at Rand Paul. I think he's a great American patriot. He cares about this country. To me, he's one of the greats there. Didn't he just say today that Fauci should be locked up?

Did he say that? For five years. For lying to Congress. I'm thinking, why just five years, huh? Here's a good one. First, let me ask you, how long – you were in Phoenix for 20, 30 years? I moved there in 94, drove into town on a hot august day falconizer says carrie did you see the phoenix lights i was working that night as a matter of fact all of the phoenix lights documentary

documentaries that were produced in movies show usually they show me anchoring that night we were on the air that night and we're like, oh my, you know, the phones were lighting up. They're Phoenix lights. So there's a bunch of different, you know, over the years they've done a lot of the documentaries on it.

Is this where there's like all those blinking lights and it looked like a battleship in the sky or something? I can't believe how big that story was. What was it? A bunch of hot air balloons

lined up? I forget. They said it was weather balloons. Do you remember? Flares? Flares? I mean, there? A bunch of hot air balloons lined up? I forget. They said it was weather balloons. Do you remember? Flares? There was a bunch of different... Oh, okay. Or a V-shaped alien craft. Are you looking at a video of it right now? No, like a newspaper of it, article

of it or something. It was like a weird V-shaped light thing. Interesting. That got a lot of air time. We talked about Phoenix lights forever. Decades. There's a lot of government, I would imagine, like space program work done in the desert, underground and stuff in the mountains. Air Force bases, yeah.

Are you near Area 51? Is that in Arizona? No. I don't know what this means, but I'm going to read it anyway. Uh-oh. Philip Summit says, born and bred Tucsonian here. You have my vote, Carrie. All you have to do is disavow the Sun Devils and bear down.

Is that all it takes for me to gain Tucson but lose Phoenix? Okay. I'll tell you what. I don't like the woke-ism over at the Sun Devil, ASU Sun Devils. But I know a lot of the Sun Devils don't like it either. Nobody wants that. And we've got great institutions of learning, higher education. They've got to do better.

They've got to do better. David Charpenning says, Mrs. Lake, will you appoint Michael Malice your press secretary? Do you know Michael? I don't. He's, so Dave Smith, if he does run for the Libertarian Party

presidential, to be a candidate, or to run for office, Michael Malice, who is one of the most notorious internet trolls, is going to be his press secretary, and we're big fans of Michael. He, who is one of the most notorious internet trolls. He's going to be his press secretary, and we're big fans of Michael. He's a good friend of the show. What makes him so

unique? He's very smart. He's an anarchist. He's a writer. He's a writer. He's written about North Korea. And he's very anti-establishment. And he's critical of the media and the propaganda and the lies. and he's got sharp wit, good memory. So if there's anybody who could take the test –

Is he in Arizona? No, no. He's in Texas. But they're making a joke. We're probably going to hire someone in Arizona. Speaking of North Korea and the universities, I remember the student who – Yeonhee Park? student who left North... She was a defector from North Korea. Said that she experienced more brainwashing

going to an Ivy League college, Princeton I believe it was, than she experienced in her time in North Korea. This is how effed up our universities are. That they're being brainwashed worse than what's going on in North Korea. Think about that for a minute. We have to address the curriculum in this country,

the poisoning of our children's minds. Here's a good one for you. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Carrie, how does the American First movement handle foreign affairs? Are we still the world police against evil? What about women being drafted? Well, I talk about China all the time.

I mean, the CCP is not our friend, and we need to bring manufacturing back. And I think we have an opportunity to do that, much like President Trump's opportunity zones and didn't get enough coverage in the media because the media didn't want to showcase anything that the president did well. We need to bring back. We're calling it resiliency zones, and we want to do that in Arizona where we can, you know, manufacture some of the essentials that we need so we don't have to rely on these countries like China. What was the other question? Women being drafted? Women being drafted, yes.

I'm not for, I don't think we need the draft. We've got a volunteer military right now. If women want to fight, I think it should be optional. I am very much about making sure women have the opportunity to do the things that really are meaningful in life, though, and I think motherhood is really meaningful. One of the questions was about foreign policy, and it said world police. I think they're specifically referencing war. I'm applying for the job of Arizona governor. I don't think we're going to be starting a war in Arizona. I hope not.

Well, what if the feds call in the National Guard for deployment, say, in a foreign country or whatever? And what are you asking? I mean, what's your, I guess, I don't know exactly what you could do if the feds were like, we're going to pull National Guard and send them to Iraq or something. But I'm just curious your thoughts on something like that happening, how you view it, positive, negative. I'm not for starting a bunch of wars. I mean, I really loved President. One of the reasons I really loved President Trump was that he was trying to end the endless wars. I'm about running for Arizona governor, protecting Arizona, putting Arizona first, and making sure that we are a great climate.

We want to preserve our Western heritage. We're having so many people move in, and Arizona is, have you all been there at least once? Oh, yeah, a bunch of times. It's such a welcoming state that I was able to, in 94, drive into town and feel like within a few weeks, I'm like, I'm an Arizonan. You can't do that in New York. You can go move to New York, you can live there five years, and you still can't say I'm a New Yorker. They just won't let you say it.

So it's a welcoming state, but we don't want to be a doormat. And we've let so many people in that it's changing that feel of Arizona. We want to be uniquely Western and uniquely Arizona. They have really good country fried steak in Arizona, in Phoenix, that I love. I literally fly in there just to get the country fried steak. I'm going to look up the name. It's an old traditional place, western place. They have license plates and a bunch of

crazy stuff all over the world. What is it called? I love that place. What is it? Texas. Yes, that's it. I love it. That's my favorite place. That is a great place. I've been there like 50 times. We got a good question from Chrissy. She says, what's your plan for the water crisis to solve it? You know what? We're actually looking at

I'm open to all ideas, but we have to deal with our water crisis because we have a growing population. People are moving to Arizona and it's a wonderful state. People want to move there, but we can't survive if we don't address our water issues long-term. And so we can obviously look at things like runoff and making sure that we're doing the right things on a smaller level. But I want to work with our partners to the south, Mexico, and work on a desalination plant. And we can provide the power through these micro nuclear plants, as we were talking about, and work with Mexico. Northern Mexico needs water. The whole region needs water. And I want to help spearhead that, bring other western states into it. But desalination works.

That's how Israel gets their water. And Israel, an Israeli company, started a desalination plant in Southern California. It is expensive, but if we invest in this, the price will come down. And we can't afford to say, oh, we're not going to deal with our water issue because it's expensive. Think about when the taps go dry, we're really going to... It's the most valuable resource on the planet. Yes, absolutely. So you're thinking desalination in California?

Desalination in Mexico because, frankly, it's so difficult through the regulations and the BS you have to go through to deal with California. It's easier to work with Mexico and make that happen. There are challenges, however. So we've talked about it. I've done actually a few mini-docs on desalination is that the runoff is basically brine, and it is heavier than the water. So when they're expelling, it just kills the lower-level life forms on the sea floor, which causes an upward chain of events where you end up with massive die-offs.

I'm not saying desalinization isn't known. Have you seen the study that says that's not true? There is one. I'm going to send it to you. You have seen it? I haven't. I haven't. I actually read one study, because obviously we have to look at the environmental

issues and concerns that we could have. But I read one study where it actually increases sea life. And I'm going to send it to you. I wish I had my computer in front of me right now. I don't think that that is necessarily an outright disqualifier for desalination anyway. But I am still curious. I feel like there's still going to be an upper threshold of how much water we can be extracting and using. But, you know, for now, I do like the idea. I've been to the plants. I've seen them.

They're really fascinating. Have you been to one in California or Israel? Oh, yeah. I was just looking at a video on that. That's cool, right? No, I haven't been there. I want to go there. It's like a whole bunch.

It's crazy. Water is forced at high pressure through all of these, like like hundreds of tubes. It is ridiculous, the filtration they have. It's cool. And then you actually can watch the brine get ejected. And then we talked to an environmental group who said their concern is the brine runoff. But let's get some more of these questions. Whatever we do, though, we have to look at that. And I think we can come up with the solutions. If the solution is the brine, we can come up with a solution for that. We have to have water.

Here's a spicy one for you. Okay. Shiloh Jorgensen says, what's your stance on abortion, weak cutoff, and whatnot? I am pro-life, and I am 100% pro-life. If you can convince me that killing a baby is okay, then maybe I'll change my mind. But there's a child. It's so radical that we have convinced our young people for a couple generations now that it's okay to take the life of their unborn in the womb. We've got mothers taking the life of the baby in their womb. And we've convinced them that that's health care.

That's not health care. What about medical issues? If there is a medical issue with the baby or the mother, do you think there should be exceptions in that regard? Well, if the mother's life is at risk, yeah. I mean, we don't want to lose moms. But that's not really what I think. I think that's real rare when that's happening. This is the challenge I have, and I say for anti-establishment, anti-state reasons, I find myself pro-choice because I don't like the idea of, I don't know how you actually would implement, would there be a government arbiter or there'd be

some kind of like government regulation for when it comes to a woman getting approval for an abortion for a medical reason? You know what I mean? Well, we're trying to bring it back to the states. The states, you know, we're trying to bring it back to the states. The states, you know, we had the judiciary decide and the people have been taken out of that equation. I think that's wrong, obviously. You know, Brett Kavanaugh said, how is this a court decision?

It's the legislature needs to deal with it. I'm like, he's right. You got to get back to that, the constitution. I mean, it was set up and it was pretty much perfect. Yeah. So I'm pro-life. I'm unapologetically pro-life. When you hold a baby in your arm, I don't know if any of you have kids here.

Nope. No, I don't. Please do. Come on. Come on, Tim. What's going on here? Got a girlfriend now, right? Yeah.

And, you know, I think I just work 16-hour days and that's probably the problem. Okay. Well, don't miss out on that. Don't miss out on that. You'll regret that. Yeah. Definitely. That's what everybody says in their deathbed. It's the problem. Okay. Well, don't miss out on that. Don't miss out on that. You'll regret that. Yeah. Definitely. That's what everybody says in their deathbed. It's the most amazing thing.

My regret is I only had two kids. I kind of fell into the hole. I got to work. I wish I would have had more kids. Coming from a family of nine. And, you know, there are options. People go, what if you can't afford the baby? You know, there's help out there.

There truly is. And if you really don't, if you really say, I'm pregnant and I don't want this baby, every state has a safe haven law now. If you're pregnant and you say, I don't want this child, you can, no questions asked, give that baby away. But it's not the baby's fault. It's not the baby's fault. I agree. We need to really, I think if we're a country that finds it okay to kill a baby in the mother's womb, we've got some real problems. Here's a good one.

Simple. Oscar Miranda says, how will you secure the border with no support from the federal government? Well, we've got the materials down there. Let's go down there and start securing it. Start building the damn fence. I mean, really. You're going to build a wall? Yeah. You said fence. No, Arizona is a complex state and people don't understand this. We have, I think, only 20 miles of President Trump's wall to complete. I'm hearing that.

Wait, wait, 20 miles and it's done for Arizona? Yes, but we also have an Indian reservation in the Tana Odom Res reservation. So that's sovereign land. We can't just go on there until we're building a wall on your nation. So we have some complexities. But I was down at the border, and within five minutes of arriving and stepping out of the vehicle, people were walking over. Under Joe Biden's policy, President Trump's policy, remain in Mexico policy, was the best border policy I've ever seen in my 27 years covering Arizona.

It worked. And Joe Biden came in on day one and pulled that. And now we're seeing a crisis. We need to build the wall. First of all, we need to sue the federal government for failing to protect us. And while that lawsuit is working its way through the system, let's go down and start building the wall. We have many, many miles of Arizona state land we could be building it on. And let's finish these little gaps. They're coming through a funnel

where there's a gap in the president's wall. And it is on federal land. But let's build the wall anyway. What's Joe Biden going to do? Arrest a sitting governor? I mean, honestly, but we have to have... Do you think he would? I would welcome that challenge. We're not that far away. I would welcome that challenge because he's failing at his duty. The federal government is failing us in Arizona. They are to protect us, and they're not doing it. He's failing across the board, the entire board.

Well, absolutely. But considering you're running for Arizona, I think that's your... Yeah, so I think we start building the wall. We start building the wall. And when I said Arizona, I think that's your area. Yeah, so I think we start building the wall. We start building the wall. And when I said fence, you caught that. But if we can't afford it, people say, wait a minute, there's no money for it. Well, there's a couple ways we could do it. If they say we can't afford it, an Israeli fence,

President Trump's wall costs $20 million a mile. I believe that was the figure. An Israeli-type fence is $1 million a mile. So we just need to get a barrier up, a very strong barrier to keep people from coming in they're coming in from where there's a gap in the in the wall it's the stupidest thing to me when i was reading all these arguments they were like the wall's pointless because most of them fly most you know immigrants fly here anyway and then just stay here and i'm like that's not trump's argument trump's argument was like smuggling and drugs and like and they were like yeah well you can climb over it i'm like sure but's not Trump's argument. Trump's argument was like smuggling and drugs. And they were like, yeah, well, you can climb over it.

I'm like, sure, but most can't. I don't know what you're saying. They kept saying the walls don't work. And I'm like, quite literally, they do. In Greece, they built a wall. I think in Greece, they put up a three-meter chain-link fence. That was it. And then all of a sudden, illegal immigration dropped by like 90%.

Well, and while we're building it, we can put up whatever barrier we can. If we have to do bar, whatever we can, we've got to get these areas that they're coming through blocked. But we also need, we know we have an issue. Not an issue. We have a sovereign nation sitting on our border that spans Arizona and Mexico. Most people don't realize that. We can't just go on to a sovereign nation and build a wall.

So we need to make sure that our law enforcement along the counties that are surrounding this area where the drugs and people are coming in have the money. I'm talking to sheriffs who say we don't have money in our budget for overtime. We need overtime right now because we've got so much coming across the border. So we need to take this $1.6 billion the feds have given us for COVID relief, send a bunch of it down to our sheriffs along the border to pay overtime. And I think we should enable them to deputize Arizonans who are willing and able to help secure the border.

We've got a lot of veterans, a lot of former law enforcement, a lot of patriotic Arizonans who want to help and create a posse and help out. All right. We'll just try and do a couple more. Lone Wolf asks, do you have any plans to combat social media censorship and narrative propaganda? And what can those of us not in Arizona do to support you without simultaneously supporting the GOP's bank account? They can come right to CarrieLake.com and make a donation.

I am supported and I'm funded by the people of Arizona, not the swamp. Does that not go through WinRed? They can send a check if they want to go that route. I understand what they're saying. Some people have a real problem with WinRed. And you can send a check. I know that's kind of – do people still write checks? Oh, yeah.

We get a lot of us checks. Yeah, we get checks as well, and we appreciate that because we don't lose any percentage to that. Can they PayPal you directly? Is that legal? That's a good question. Can I ask my people? Can they Bitcoin you?? Is that legal? That's a good question. Can I ask my people? Can they Bitcoin you? We're going to start that soon.

Bitcoin? Can they Bitcoin you? Oh, apparently we're going to start that soon. Wow. I'm told. Checks are easier to track, and that's why people use WinRed. People go, I don't want my name.

You have to give your name, and you have to give your occupation. This is part of the rules of a campaign. I think with WinRed, it's like that gives a percentage to the GOP as a whole or something. I'm not entirely sure. I know ActBlue is kind of like that. What was the first part of his question? I missed it. Plans to combat social media censorship and narrative propaganda. I want to make censorship. I want to outlaw censorship in Arizona. You know, we're a Second Amendment state

and I want to be a First Amendment state. It's sad that we have to, First Amendment sanctuary, pardon me. It's sad that we should have to even have these sanctuary counties and cities and states. The Constitution should just be upheld everywhere. But we need to start finding these companies that are censoring people. We have free speech in this country. and until we come and fight back against these tech tyrants who are making a gazillion dollars, we've got to start fining them for censoring Americans. People go, oh, this is a private company. This is the town square.

Can you imagine if in the old days, you guys probably don't remember the old wall phone, the kitchen phone. Oh, of course. If they heard Tim talking to Luke and the phone company didn't like what you two were talking about, they'd just cut your line. That's what we're talking about. It would have been a global outrage in the 80s if that had happened. I'm starting to really miss the kitchen phone, by the way. It felt a lot more secure. My mom still got one. Keep talking in the future about the censorship stuff because I feel like having the government decide what companies can make their own terms of service be is a bit fascist.

But allowing them full reign to do whatever they want seems to be failing so that we've got to find some other method. I'm looking at freeing the software code of large social networks so that other people can spin up a version of the network like Twitter. They can have their own Twitter with their own terms of service that will interlock with the other Twitter so you can still follow people from either network. If this Twitter wants to ban you, they can, but you still have your Twitter network. We'll just do that with the

Yon Foundation. A lot of people are starting up social media, new platforms. It's just a matter of finding the one that everybody wants to be on. And I don't know why anybody wants to be on Twitter. I'm on it. It is a cesspool. It's full of bots.

It's irritating. Right, right, right. It's technologically good. I want to get one last very important one. I'm sorry I couldn't get to every single one, and I was definitely trying not to avoid the spicier ones. But I will just first start by saying where we consider having our business and opening up new studios because we're doing a bunch of new shows, social media censorship protections is one of the biggest issues.

So we've looked at Florida. When DeSantis is like, we're going to look into this, I'm like, maybe we set up a headquarters in Florida. So that's a good thing. But there's one other thing. Yeah, right. If you do that. One other thing, though. Caleb B. says, and I'll tell you this.

This one could be very big for me moving to Arizona or setting up shop there. Will you nullify the NFA and other federal gun laws pertaining to suppressors like other states have proposed? What if the feds start interfering? Well, I'm all about pushing back against the feds right now. I mean, we've got 3,000 miles away from Arizona. The feds are telling us how to live our life, what to say, when we can work, what we can buy. It's just ridiculous. I am not for adding additional gun laws to Arizona.

So in Texas, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Luke. Oh, I think you're going to talk about the intrastate versus interstate. Yeah, Texas, I think they said, we have our own suppressors. You can buy them. The National Firearms Act does not apply to Texas-made suppressors for Texas citizens. So I think that's basically what they're saying. That's what he's getting at yeah like i like i do like that it is funny that i wonder if this is the same person who wrote me recently i like what i like the idea of that i'd like to look more into it i don't want to sit here you know after a couple hours and go yeah i'm all for that

i like the idea of it it's not being sold outside of texas it's being sold so why is the federal government taking i yep and there's an argument oh, but someone could take it here and go there. Well, that would be committing a crime the federal government can actually stop if that's the case. My thing is, you know what I want to see? I want to see Republicans saying it's not about new gun laws. It's about repealing bad gun laws, too. Is repealing the NFA realistic? Is it realistic or is it just kind of like a pie? If it's going to happen, it'll happen in Arizona. We are a truly, purely pro-two-way state. And it is a state where you can come

and you can protect yourself. You can protect your family. You can buy ammo. I mean, in California, you can't even buy ammo. It's like you've got a worthless piece of metal that doesn't do anything. So just a very simplified final question. You would be in favor, I know you're the governor so you can't just do this, it's up to the legislature, but you would be in favor of repealing gun laws in Arizona. Absolutely. Wonderful. I mean, again,

the governor does have a lot of power, but you have to work with the legislature. And we've taken the legislature out. That's where we got in trouble with our election. We have to follow the Constitution. The legislature is, there's a process for our election. We have to follow the Constitution. The legislature is, there's a process for laws to happen or laws to be repealed. And I'm wanting to work with our legislature more than the governor we have now who never goes down, never talks to the men and women who are working in the legislature. We've got to have a relationship

there so that we're not wasting a bunch of time. They're not passing a bunch of bills that I don't want to, that I wouldn't even consider signing. So I will, I will, I believe I will be the most pro 2A governor. I'm all about it. Of Arizona, maybe in the country. And I'll tell you this too, a lot of people need to understand this. Young leftists are pro 2A. Absolutely. It's the establishment liberal Democrat types who don't want guns, but young people are absolutely on the left and the right being like, this is our right, and we should be able to exercise it. So we've gone a bit over. So I'll just say thank you so much for coming.

Thank you. Is there any final thoughts you wanted to add, anything? I'd love to invite you to bring your company to Arizona. Give me a good reason. Win the race. Okay. We'll work on it. I'm running for office because I truly love the state of Arizona. I'm so worried about us turning into a blue state, into a state that's like California.

And we have a movement afoot in Arizona. We have a lot of excitement. We are going to have massive numbers of people coming to vote. And they're going to come out because of our movement. They see somebody in me that they know, they trust, who loves the state, who's doing this for pure motives. And we don't want career politicians. We're done with them. They come in on day one and they have 20, 30 years of political favors. I don't have any political favors. My special interest group, it's massive and it's the people of Arizona. My final thought on this, Trump was the first, but hearing you and seeing what you're doing so far

and when you win we'll see what things you do that deserve criticism but bringing about a lot of what Trump's policies were America first, the working class, these things and doing it articulately whereas Trump was a bit bombastic this is the evolution I think we need

because I've said, look I know a lot of people who can't get over Trump's personality but if you take his policies and you get the right person who's straightforward honest and direct and tells the media off but it's tactful that's a landslide victory yeah somebody said you're like Trump a little soft around the edges I said okay that's great that's a great compliment and I do take on the media and I will take on the media I worked in the media I know their tricks go to my rumble page rumble Carrie, K-A-R-I-L-A-K-E. I've gone after CNN, NBC. If you want to interview me and you're with the media, I will fight back. I will fight back. And we have to start fighting back. All right. Because it's not just, oh,

they're biased. They're hurting this country. Yeah, I completely agree. That's what drives me a lot. We start with indoctrination from K through 12. Then it's the cherry on top when you get more Yeah, I completely agree. us over at TimCast.com. We usually do the Green Room special episodes on Fridays, so that's like behind-the-scenes stuff. I don't know if we have one today. After the holidays, things slow down a little bit. We've got to pick up speed, but thanks so much for the support. Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends. You can follow us at TimCastIRL everywhere, basically everywhere, and you can follow me at TimCast. Carrie, do you want to shout out social media and your website? Carrie Lake, K-A-R-I-L-A-K-E.com is my website. Go there to see where I stand on all of the issues.

It's all laid out. You can make a donation if you want. I'm funded by the people, not the swamp. And I'm also on Kari Lake on Twitter. I'm at The Kari Lake on Facebook. Is anybody still on Facebook? Barely. Barely.

I don't get any traction at that place anymore. I'm on The Kari Lake. Apparently somebody has my name. And then Instagram as well. barely I don't get any traction at that place anymore I'm on the Carrie Lake apparently somebody has my name and then Instagram as well so to continue the baby talk just really quickly

I want to have seven children and you can help me do that by supporting me on LukeUncensored.com LukeUncensored.com seven Radowskis running around

we could do this you will never regret that Luke because you support me I'm here thanks for having me I think you're also going to get four dogs I can feel it at least you support me I'm here thanks for having me I think you're also going to get four dogs

I can feel it at least in your future I'm Ian Crossland you can catch me at iancrossland.net Carrie fantastic thank you so much it was such a pleasure

really good to see you that's it see you later I kind of want to go over to Luke's house some afternoon and see what is going on

are you going to be part of those seven babies me? no where is this going are you going to be part of those seven babies? Me? No. Where's this going? Are you trying to join a hero? I just want to see what the chaos is like and see Atlas and all her siblings and all the

Rudowskis. That sounds terrifying and fun. I am Sour Patch Lids on Twitter. You guys are welcome to follow me. Thank you so much for joining us tonight, Gary. And that about wraps it up for this week. We'll see you all on Monday. Thanks so much for hanging out. We'll see you all next time. Bye, guys.