Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #429 - Alec Baldwin Hit With Search Warrant, Law Enforcement To Seize Phone w/RA The Rugged Man

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia host OG rapper RA The Rugged Man to discuss the burgeoning case against Alec Baldwin, liberals rethinking guns and self-defense in the face of rising crime and violence, views on the Rittenhouse case, and tempers rise around critical theory. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

They're coming for Alec Baldwin, finally. He's going to have to now surrender his phone for a forensic search amid the ongoing investigation over the woman that he killed. There's not a whole lot else there, but we'll see how that plays out, and I think this may mean something. A lot of people don't believe that Alec Baldwin will ever face any charges, but I don't know, man. I am of the opinion that it is just slightly more likely there was some intent or malice.

It may have been a passion murder, but I don't think it's I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim that all of these things happen that just accidentally resulted in this circumstance. But we'll get it. We'll get in all that stuff. We'll talk about that. We also got some crazy news out of the CDC. They're now saying they want to narrow the use of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine over fears of blood clots, which is crazy because I thought that was a conspiracy theory. But now the CDC is saying it. They're not saying outright don't use it. They're just saying they want to

recommend Moderna and Pfizer over that. We'll get into that as well. And CNBC's Jim Cramer is a crackpot who came out and said the government, again, he's saying it again, has a right to force you to do things. And then we've got the jet. We got a whole bunch of news, man. This is crazy. Elon Musk fighting with Joy Reid and Elizabeth Warren. We've got January 6th committee admitting that they've doctored evidence and then presented it on television. So, yeah, we're going to get into all that. And joining us to talk all about it is R.A. the Rugged Man. How you doing, everybody?

So who are you? What do you do? I'm just a rapper. Just a rapper. I don't know how the hell I got on this show. I'm not about to curse, though, so I got to be careful. But, yeah, I'm a friend of Luke's, and he told me to come up here, and I watched some of the clips today, and yeah, we're about to talk,

see what happens, you know? Yeah, man, I've seen some of your videos. They're good, good stuff. Yeah, they're a little bit more than good. You got to... It's groundbreaking. It's legendary, man. He said they're good.

I mean, we got one of the best of the best in this house right now, so this is going to be fantastic. Three decades of being one of the best on the planet. There you go, man. He said that good. I mean, we got one of the best of the best in this house right now, so this is going to be fantastic. There you go. Three decades of being one of the best on the planet. There you go. There you go, man.

Yeah. Right on, dude. Thanks for hanging out. And you're very humble. Yeah, humble. I appreciate you coming here. I think we always need more artists and people coming

from different perspectives, not just people in politics. So I'm so happy you bring so much different kind of unique perspectives here. So thank you so much for coming here. I know it was a long trip. You're doing a lot. So I really appreciate that. But before we start, I want to shout out everyone in the cast house who came out to our first group self-defense workout session. Linda did amazing. She did awesome. She participated.

I had a professional martial art artist, jujitsu guy come out, Danny Farin of Soldier Fit. He was awesome. And I'm also, I got to say, I'm also very disappointed in some people in the house who said that they were going to go to the training. And then last minute, they decided to nerd out on some Spider-Man. Disappointed in these people. I don't care. I'm mad at you. But anyway.

You're a Spider-Man guy too. No, I'm not. I'm disappointed in the people who went to see Spider-Man instead of working out jujitsu with the rest of the house. So that's another story. But anyway, I think it's very fair to say that we're not dealing with a new normal. We're dealing with a new world order. And because of that, hell, I made a T-shirt to profit off of that. And that's why I made this T-shirt that represents that idea.

And if you buy it, you can support me and my efforts here on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. So thank you so much for having me. And then here is Ian who didn't show up to the training today and decided to sleep in.

And he didn't see Spider-Man either. I didn't see Spider-Man. I hear it was good though. But I told you ahead of time I wasn't going so I don't feel so mad about it. You ate my ice cream and I said you had to.

Hey, son of a gun. RA just told me who Rakim is. No, Rakim. Rakim, come on. Get it right. Yeah, but I never heard. So how is it I've never heard this guy? How are you even a musician? Give me like a brief.

Give me like the 10 seconds. Bro, bro, bro. How are you a musician? Yeah, we got to do these intros. But I want to know over the course of the show who this guy is. Okay. Unworthy of finding out if you don't know about him. I'm sorry for you.

I don't know who Rakim is sorry for you I don't know rock him I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons I did work out with Luke and the gang it was very fun I only felt like I was going to die

a little bit and I'm really looking forward to having Danny come back and hopefully like one day a week we'll be able to do that I skipped bar for that and it was a great investment

I loved it Spider-Man was awesome we went and saw the 3pm showing because the Pop Culture Crisis team needs to see it to know what's up. And I'm like, I'm going, dude. I'm going. So I had to finish work early and then rush back.

But I recommend it. It was silly, silly fun. I think you'll see it again. I'm team Scorsese, team Cronenberg. I'm team all the old filmmaker guys. Have you seen Joker? Yeah. It's a fake-ass Scorsese movie.

All right. I'll give you that one. And don't forget, go to TimCast.com, become a member, help support our work by being a member, and you will also get access to our exclusive members-only segments of the TimCast IRL podcast. Of course, we're going to have one later on tonight, and I imagine that one's going to be pretty epic with RA. It'll be a blast. And don't forget, we hire a bunch of journalists. It's all through you guys signing up to be members, so we really appreciate it.

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Alec Baldwin must surrender cell phone for forensic search in rust death probe. Judge says new search warrant gives detectives the right to perform a forensic download of Baldwin's texts, images, videos, and more as they probe the fatal shooting of Helena Hutchins. The warrant was issued by Santa Fe County Magistrate Court Court gives detectives the right. So we read that part in an interview with ABC News is George Stephanopoulos that aired earlier in the month. Baldwin said he was told it's highly unlikely he'll face any criminal charges.

And look at this. They just say for the accidental shooting. I love how media just knows things. They assert things are true without evidence. You literally have Alec Baldwin getting his phone taken for forensic for download. And they're literally including the word accidental. They say the new affidavit suggests he is still at least an active player in the probe. I don't know if you can say he's a suspect in this, but they're going to mention the

paperwork obtained by Rolling Stone recounts many of the details already released about the shooting, including how the movie's rookie armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, purportedly told investigators that she loaded Baldwin's period cult revolver with what she thought were five cosmetic dummy rounds before the lunch break that preceded the fatal shooting. So one of the things they've been, well, actually, let me read a little bit more. I've got search warrant information here. They say, according to the new warrant, Baldwin told investigators during his interview the day of the tragedy that he slowly took the gun from its holster and then very dramatically turns it and cocks the hammer, which is when the gun goes off.

Investigators say in the search warrant that Baldwin told them, quote, there were emails transferred back and forth between Hannah and him where she showed him different styles of guns. As the production got up and running, Baldwin told detectives he requested a bigger gun in the movie and that he ultimately chose the Colt. The Sheriff's Department previously asked Baldwin to voluntarily hand over his phone, but the actor and his lawyer instructed detectives to get a warrant. The affidavit claims, quote, I would go to any lengths to undo what happened, Baldwin told Stephanopoulos.

This, we understand. Asked if he feels any guilt. He says he did not. He said he felt someone is responsible, but it's not him. So what do you think? You think he's a criminal suspect here? Well, the fact that we still don't have an official explanation to what happened here, I mean, there's no one that came forward and said, oh, this

bullet got on the set because of this person. This person put it in. We still don't know what the hell happened here. So because of that, my spidey conspiracy senses are buzzing around here for a very specific reason. Because again, I don't trust powerful people with anger issues who, of course, get a lot of favorable play in the corporate media. Another thing that we have to understand here is that he didn't willingly hand over his phone. There had to be a warrant. And when they do look at that phone, they're going to be able to see his call records,

his contacts, his photos, his videos, and his geolocation data. But more importantly, right after the incident, you saw photos of him talking to people. Who was he talking to? Probably his crisis management team that's sending off a lot of false information out there to cover up a lot of the bigger truths about what happened here. So again, Baldwin is a big player. He has a lot of money. He has a lot of power. And if this was anybody else, they would

be treated totally different, in my opinion. I want to add one thing. He was right not to hand his phone over. I'm not a fan of Baldwin in terms of his politics and who he is as a person. He's got anger management issues. I'm a fan of his acting. Not the Donald Trump impersonations. That was actually kind of bad. But 30 Rock's fun. Look, if the cops come to you and say, why don't you just give me your phone, you say no. Of course. So he did the right thing there.

No, Tim, I've got to correct you. If the cops come to you, you don't say nothing. I play the fifth. I don't know. No, how they say it in English. Arriba, arriba. Get out of here. of here get on my face i'm not saying nothing and and that's if you ever watch cops that's the main thing that gets people saying that that after he shouted that he was on the phone he was on the phone there was photos of him automatically on the phone it don't matter who it is uh if you shoot somebody accidentally uh you're gonna be on the phone whether it's it's your mom, your wife, you're going to be on the phone.

That don't add nothing to the argument. No, it could. No, it does. Of course, if you shot somebody accidentally or on purpose, whatever, the first thing you're going to do is call somebody, tell somebody. That's right. He may have called the crisis management department. Oh, he may have, yeah. Which then put out fake news about what happened.

Yeah, it's definitely a maybe, but the fact that he was making calls right after doesn't... What I'm saying is, who was he making that call to? We're going to find out now because of that warrant. And if it's his mom, obviously that's going to play up more to the side that this was an accident, that this was something that he was remorseful for. Don't underestimate his mom, bro.

She was the mastermind of all this. So you believe he actually did it on purpose. That's what you were saying Are you allowed to say that? Yeah I think Because I think It's a low budget Movie shoot

And terrible things You know Everything's a mess Everything's terrible You got amateurs Doing amateur things And you know So

Let me clarify I think it's more likely It was intentional Than it was an accident But that doesn't mean I think it's like A 51% chance he did it, or I think like, I know he did it.

I just think when you look at all the evidence that has come out, it seems very unlikely that it was an accident. If you don't want to believe that Alec Baldwin did this, then it's sabotage. Because someone put a live bullet in that gun. How did it get there? Or Gutierrez. Yeah, an amateur. I'm not defending him because it could come out tomorrow he did it on purpose. But I think assuming that it's on purpose and he did it get there? Or Gutierrez. Yeah, an amateur. I'm not defending him because it could come out tomorrow he did it on purpose.

But I think assuming that it's on purpose and he did it, so he was so angry he just wanted to murder the camera lady. That sounds a little over the top. It does, but when you track the facts of the case, the other side makes less sense. So I'll give you the quick version. You've got the armorer, who is the person who's trained with firearms. According to Alec Baldwin's story, she would have had to have accidentally loaded live ammo.

Then the assistant director, who's not supposed to be handling the gun, would have had to have picked it up and then given it to Alec Baldwin, who's already stated he knows he's not supposed to receive it from anyone but the armorer. Alec Baldwin even said that if he were to check it himself they would have to take it away because they'd be like hey someone who's not the prop guy

manipulated it but he received it from someone who wasn't the prop guy so all of those things line up then uh but keep in mind that could be an over budgeted low budget picture and everybody's a mess the crew's a mess people are tired of working and people aren't doing their job correctly. Everything you said could be part of that. I'm not saying it is. I agree. I agree. Because I've been on so many low budget shoots where everybody's a mess and everybody's

underpaid. Nobody's doing their job correctly. Maybe they went to gun range shooting and it got in the basket and people – We got more though. Alec Baldwin himself, I believe, and a witness, the AD, said his finger was not on the trigger, that his finger was outside the trigger guard. Alec Baldwin said that the woman told him, point the gun at her and pull the hammer back, and then he said it just went off.

But single-action revolvers can't go off. They have a sear. They have a multiple locking mechanism, so you need trigger pressure. So we've already had several weapons experts come out and say, it's possible that he was holding the trigger down when he pulled the hammer back and then the hammer auto released. Okay. Well then Alec Baldwin and the AD are both lying when they both said his finger was outside the gun. So now it's just in either circumstance, they're both lying. So all I'm saying is when you look at the fact that the crew was having arguments, several walked off set saying that it was unsafe, that they weren't being paid properly.

One guy walked off because someone had fired the gun previously. Oh, yeah. Wasn't there like two accidents earlier in the day as well? Yeah. Or earlier in the week as well? Earlier in the week, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah. So here's what happens, man.

The media comes out immediately and puts out false information. They said it was a blank. It was a misfire. That's not a misfire that's not a misfire that was a discharge that was an intentional those those shots fired were intentional discharges not not only that but if you remember on the day of i was seeing all of our social media this account that baldwin looked at her and said a particular phrase and then shot her deliberately all of that was was fake all of that was was made up and i forgot the exact parameters of it, but I remember reading it off and being like, hey, a lot of people are saying

this and you're like, oh, no, no, no. That's actually fake news. I got one for you, though. What if I were to tell you that according to Alec Baldwin, he didn't know she was shot for 45 minutes after he shot her. That's his own statement. Does that make sense to you? Yeah, I didn't hear any of that. No, but I mean, does that make sense to you?

He's point blank. She's got the camera in front of didn't hear any of that. No, no, but I mean like does that make sense to you? That somebody – he's point blank. She's got the camera in front of her. I thought he shot the director too and the girl. So yeah, that don't make sense. Like I said, I don't know what this guy did. I'm just playing devil's advocate for two sides. I'm not – I just wouldn't say I know he murdered her. I don't know.

No, I agree. I think you're right on that point. I'm just saying I think it's more likely. And so this is an important point we didn't bring up. I brought it up on a segment I think it's more likely. And so this is an important point we didn't bring up. I brought it up on a segment I did on my other show. He said in his interview that she told him to pull the gun out. She told him to pull the hammer back.

It goes off. There's a bang. She immediately drops to the floor. The bullet went straight through her chest, pierced her spine. Alec Baldwin said, I didn't realize I had shot her for 45 minutes until we were taking a statement from the police. Oh, I didn't even hear that quote. How is that? I heard that, and I was like, there's no way that is possible. Someone's standing in front of you.

You aim a gun at them. You shoot them. They collapse. Everyone screams. And he definitely said that? Yeah, yeah. Because the director got shot too, right? He said it.

And went through the woman and hit the director in the shoulder. Yeah. For him to be like, I didn't even realize, that would mean that he shot her and then walked away without checking to see if she was okay. If he really said that, that's suspect. Let me see if I can pull that up. Well, he also is insisting that he thought the gun was empty, but he had a revolver where, again, you could see the bullets in there. No, he probably thought it was a blankie. Yeah, she said it was cosmetic rounds.

Here's the quote. I thought to myself, did she faint? The notion that there was a live round of the gun did not dawn on me until 45 minutes to an hour later, Baldwin said. So, okay. So I'll clarify my earlier statement to be a little bit more specific. He said – If he's trying to act like he was in shock maybe. Is that what he's trying to say?

I don't know what he's trying to say with that. That sounds crazy. It does. But like if he was like trying to claim I was in such shock I didn't even realize but you know that still sounds stupid. So yeah. Well look he says

I cocked the gun. Can you see that? Can you see that? Can you see that Baldwin said? And then I let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off. I let go of the hammer

of the gun the gun goes off. I thought to myself did she faint? The notion that there was a live round in that gun did not dawn on me until 45 minutes to an hour later.

This is why I think it's more likely he did. Oh, no, but if he's trying to say that he thought he hit her with a blank, is that what he's trying to say? That's still lethal. Because a blank can still hurt somebody. If he's trying to say 45 minutes later, he realized it was an actual bullet. Is that what he's trying to say? Because that I understand. If he's trying to say he thought he hit her for 45 minutes with a blank and and hurt her maybe if that's what he's saying i i you know

i'm not sure what the guy is talking about but that makes more sense i don't i don't understand at all how you could have someone standing right in front of you you point a gun the gun goes off you shoot a blanket somebody that close they could fall on the ground you know and be be injured he lied so much bro he lied about so much but i I hear what you're saying for sure, for sure. We don't know. No, I don't know. I'm not defending the guy. I don't even think I'd like the guy if I met him.

I'm not. Yeah, but, you know, well, they got to search. We live in a time, though, where it's like when some tragedy happens, you jump on everything and either defend them to the death or they're the guiltiest, worst person ever lived. So I always try to look for in between until the facts come out. But I'll tell you, man, when this story first came out, we very much approached this one like, man, how could this have happened? They said it was a misfire, a blank shrapnel.

And then I started thinking about there was more evidence coming out. And then I thought, why are we assuming the armorer, the one person trained to handle the weapons, is the one made the mistake why are we assuming all these all these things happened and then more evidence came out which corroborated more of what i've been saying i'm not saying i'm right i'm not saying it's a guarantee but then we got the script supervisor coming out saying the gun was not supposed to be fired and she said alec baldwin intentionally pulled the trigger she said he was somebody said that yeah the script supervisor and the electrician said he wasn't supposed to fire the gun.

And so I'm like, all right. So I was saying, like, why are we assuming? No, he wasn't supposed to fire the gun. I could go with it. But if the supervisor said, hey, he did pull the trigger intentionally. I'm pretty sure. Let me make sure about that. She said she intentionally fired the gun.

Oh, yeah. But I want to make sure I have that right. Yeah. Nah, it's all good. I hope it's not murder. Well, she said he intentionally fired the gun. I'll put it that way. Yeah, that's exactly what you said he said. Yeah, that's what I said.

Well, I said pull the trigger. I want to make sure it's clear because I don't know if she said he pulled the trigger. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. He's a Long Island guy, right? Long Island guys. Long Island are crazy people. We're all crazy.

Every one of us. I don't know somebody that's not crazy from out there, so you never know with that guy, right? Long Island guys. Long Island are crazy people. We're all crazy. Every one of us. I don't know somebody that's not crazy from out there, so you never know with that guy. Well, I guess, look. Look, they got a search warrant for his phone. We've talked about this a lot, and it's just inching forward very, very slowly. Here's my concern about it. I think the reason often you get news stories that just trickle out like this is they're hoping you drop it. They're hoping everyone forgets about what Alec Baldwin did

and then eventually people are going to be like, oh yeah, didn't he? Whatever happened with that? I don't know. I don't know. So it's kind of like, I want to follow this news story, but we have another interesting story,

semi-related. This is from Washington Examiner. Urban liberals rethink guns and policing amidst crime spike on their doorstep. There were a couple other stories I was reading earlier. Gun sales were on a record for, I believe, this past month.

It's the second highest year following last year. So we got this. They say ABC News, Ipsos poll published earlier in the week, found that 36% of voters approve of Biden's handling of crime, while 61% disapprove. On gun violence, 66% of voters disapprove of Biden's performance with 32% approving. We've seen a poll from Gallup that support for gun control is at its lowest it's been since 2014. So it was lower before 2014 a little bit, and then it was higher before that.

But people are now all of a sudden coming around and being like, I want to buy guns. There was an article from Slate about a liberal woman, and she explained that she thought guns were dangerous you can't have them and then her husband was like i think you need to learn more and go take a class and then she did and then she realized hey all of these arguments for gun control don't make any sense yeah and uh you know the number of people getting involved with firearms and learning about guns has peaked an all-time high in the beginning of covid i still remember there was a need for classes and there was no classes available for people to even be taught basic gun safety or even

how to handle their firearms to the point where I was like, okay, I'm going to create my own classes. I ran my own classes in New Hampshire, literally working with a special forces of Green Beret, teaching people proper ways to handle a firearm, proper ways to use a firearm. Because if you have something like that, you have a tool that you need to know how to use. It's like, you know, I think it's akin to a fire extinguisher, and that's how many people are seeing it. Like, if you have a fire extinguisher, you know, why do you need one if you have the fire department? Well, obviously, the fire department takes a while to get to your house.

So this doesn't surprise me, especially with the levels of criminality that has been increasing all throughout the united states obviously people are going to want to arm themselves defend themselves and have something that is akin to a fire extinguisher during a fire because there's a lot of fires going around to say the least yeah because we all know that uh the liberals with a little bit of money that they always have firearms anyway even if they're saying oh we're banning guns banning guns they got their security they got this guy with three guns over there they're all taken care of

they got guns in their house but get rid of guns get rid of guns all you poor people get rid of guns they have gated communities gated communities with armed guards

I don't know if you saw this there was a tweet during the riots last year where this dude who lived in Beverly Hills was like yeah you know the riots

amazing burn the city down and then he tweets like an hour later, why are you coming towards my house? Go the other way, go the other way. Like they cheer for it until they have to deal with it. Nancy Pelosi wanted machine gun turrets on the Capitol. Crew serve 50 p.m. These people are insane. They cheer on the military industrial complex. They're surrounded as you said, with people with firearms, with guns, security guards, always protecting them. But for you as an individual, you shouldn't have the right to protect yourself.

Get out of here. Like, you're crazy if you think that you're going to take away a right that allows me to be equal to another man. Because a lot of people in these cities are also realizing you could get a gun. No matter what the laws are, criminals are always going to have a way to get guns. Especially in America. So if the criminals could have guns, why can't legally law-abiding citizens have guns as well? Only rich people should have guns and well-connected politicians like in Maryland and New Jersey. We laugh about that, but there's policies on the books especially with the machine gun rules that only allow rich people to have certain uh firearms where poor

people are exempt from having it because of the restrictions and taxes that the government has put on them that makes it almost impossible for people to have uh machine guns oh bro the cost of machine guns what do they what what you maybe you can get one for like $15,000 or $30,000. If you're very lucky and that thing's probably falling apart and not in good condition. $384, I think. I mean, there are tens of thousands of dollars, and then people were able to buy them before without any kind of major issues or problems. The most amount of machine gun ownership is per capita in New Hampshire. That's another reason why I really like New Hampshire. And, you know, when we see these, like, rules and restrictions, especially in New York City, especially in Los Angeles,

especially in places like Chicago where people can't own firearms, we're seeing a lot of homicides because of firearms. Why is that? And also when it was the whole thing, when they were bringing rape culture into, you know, making a big deal, you know, rape culture, rape culture. And then they were like, take into, you know, uh, making a big deal, you know, rape culture, rape culture. And then they were like,

take the guns, take the guns, take the guns. And it's like, don't you think that woman walking alone at night should have the little 22 in her, in her pocketbook. So you come out, she's going to shoot you in your balls,

shoot you in your face. You know, can we say balls on your pocket? Yeah. I'm trying to keep it PG, PG 13. I mean, you said shoot someone in the face.

Oh, that, that, uh, no, but if a rapist is going to rape a woman, you know, I don't think that YouTube ain't going to ban you for talking about shooting a rapist in the face. For encouraging self-defense, I think you're okay. Yeah, I mean, we're talking about self-defense specifically. Yeah, exactly. But I got to be honest, I would hope that, you know, people would aim for center mass

and not the face because you might miss and you got to know what's behind the target. Or run. Don't wear high heels at night. I'll put it this way. Don't take advice from any of us on what you should do in these situations. You talk to self-defense experts like Luke had been talking to. It's easy for us to be like, oh, you should take your gun and none. A woman in this situation is going to have particular self-defense techniques she's going to use.

I think a gun is one of those tools especially. But it shouldn't be illegal for her. If that's what she feels safe with, she shouldn't not be allowed to carry it. That's what I'm saying. Also – They shouldn't tell her, no, you can't carry a little weapon in your purse in case – In Chicago, it's almost impossible for a regular person to have a gun, but all the politicians got them. They got guns themselves and they got bodyguards.

That's how it works. Yep. And it's absolutely insane. I mean if you do have a firearm, especially like a lot of these people in these cities do, you need to get training. You need to take this very seriously. It's all about your personal responsibility.

It's a lot more obviously important for you to understand how to use a firearm than a fire extinguisher, but I think the analogy is still there, and I think it's still very important. It's a tool just like anything else. And if we truly want to ban things that harm people, we should be banning cheeseburgers and cars, but that's also unrealistic and totally illogical and totally doesn't make sense.

But that's the logic that they use to disarm so many Americans that live in these hell holes that don't allow them to have self-defense, which is crazy. I think people should be allowed to have nuclear weapons. I was thinking yesterday, do you think people should be allowed to have flying cars that can drop nuclear gravity bombs? Everyone? Yeah, I don't know anything about that. Well, flying cars is different. Why do you think people should have nuclear weapons?

Well, cars are going to start flying. Second Amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Nuclear arms are arms. Yeah. So if you want to change the Constitution, by all means. Yeah, maybe we should

if a nuclear weapon is somebody who will buy a nuclear weapon. Yeah, I don't think they were written that way. No, no, no. Back in the day, the Founding Fathers

understood the concept of privateers and corsairs, regular private individuals who had warships with some of the most advanced weaponry on the planet. Like a nuclear weapon?

No, they couldn't wipe out a city in half a second, though. No, but they could in a few hours. They'd bombard a city on a port until they come and blow up the ship. They can try and sustain it. Bro, you can justify it any way you want. I don't think the government should have anything to do with it.

We don't even have to go that far. But we have to acknowledge that one thing that makes America special is the right to defend yourself, is the Second Amendment. You don't see that right translated in other places around the world. And right now, we have to take a victory because we're in a situation where taking away that right is at one of the least unpopular moments that it ever has been in American history. That's amazing. That's great. We're also seeing a lot of states domestically pass a lot of laws that allow people to open carry, conceal carry, and have the ability to defend themselves

because at the end of the day, this is the right to be able to defend yourself. That's it. All right. Let me put it this way. I personally don't think people should have nuclear weapons, nor should governments. However, the Constitution is written as it is. That means it needs to be amended because no one should have the authority to just decide, at this point

we're going to take away your constitutional protections. You can't do that unilaterally. It's got to be voted on. But there's certain guns that they're not allowed to have. Machine guns and stuff like that. Oh, so you just didn't give them everything? You could have machine guns, you just have to pay a lot of money. What about RPGs?

I think people should have a right to keep and bear RPGs. Yeah. Rocket-propelled grenade. That's right. I'm reminded of Biden saying that you're going to need F-15s and nukes in order to fight the U.S. government. Later, he had to withdraw from Afghanistan after a massive military loss in that country, just embarrassing the United States, causing crazy human harm throughout his leaving of Afghanistan, which was absolutely done in a foolish way. The issue I see with the erosion of Second Amendment, one day some politicians came up and said, well, certainly they couldn't have meant this weapon. And now we're at the point where Democrats have literally, literally advocated banning all semi-automatic weapons.

That would be like your standard Glock 17. They want to ban that, but the cops can have it. And at that point, you're literally taking away the right to keep and bear arms. If you let them erode it, they will keep doing it. So we come to this point where they, it's not just Democrats. It's both. It's all parties, Democrats, Republicans alike. It's the establishment, the uniparty.

They have tried to just strip apart as many amendments in the Constitution as possible, interpreting them the way that gives them and guarantees them power. Speaking of gun rights and all of that stuff, I was watching some of the clips of your show. And one of the things I disagree with you guys heavily on is the the heroic uh you know you're making ridden house the hero of the fucking oh interesting hero the hero of the world like this little nerd kid i never called him a hero okay cool yeah never cool yeah but but a lot of people have maybe not you but i thought i saw like where you were you know really rooting for this kid well we were definitely were definitely rooting for him because they were trying to lock him up for the rest of his life for acting in self-defense.

Yeah, but maybe that's the law in that state, I guess. So I'm not – whatever that – but come on. A guy, oh, come on, fight me. And everyone's like, oh, he shot him three times and he's a hero because a guy – Who said fight me? What did the guy say? Rosenbaum said shoot me. Shoot me, shoot me.

And then Kyle Rittenhouse ran away. Yeah, and he runs away. And then so a guy tries to fight you? When I'm a kid, when I'm a 17-year-old kid, a guy tries to fight me, let's knuckle up. It was always the cowards were the ones like bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow. And if some hood kid did the same thing where you're like, hey, fight me, fight me, and the hood kid start blasting you for just trying to fight you. That's not what happened.

That is what happened. Kyle Rittenhouse put out a fire in a dumpster as they were trying to push it. Towards a gas station. Towards a gas station. We're trying to keep it clear. So when did somebody... And then Rosenbaum said, I'm going to kill you twice to him. And then Kyle Rittenhouse ran away.

And tried to fight him. And then Zeminski fired a gun behind Rittenhouse. In response to the shot, Rittenhouse spins around. And then Rosenbaum grabs for the gun. So Rittenhouse fires four shots in.7 of a second. Yeah, he shot the guy over trying to fight him. No, no, no, no, no, no. He tried to fight him.

Rosenbaum tried to take his gun. The pedophile rapist guy. Had his hand. He's a piece of garbage. He had his hand on the gun. He's a piece of garbage. But he tried to fight the kid. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. So now if he didn't have this weapon, you fight the guy. And's a piece of garbage. He had his hand on the gun. He's a piece of garbage, but he tried to fight the kid. Wait, wait, wait.

Hold on. So now if he didn't have this weapon, you fight the guy, and he probably would have won. The little psychotic rapist guy, you put hands on him. Rittenhouse could have beat the kid's butt. And then they got a shooter in the street. Rittenhouse just murdered somebody. They don't know that it's some pedophile, terrible guy.

And the second guy, which they're villainizing as this criminal, he's the worst. The second guy who he killed. Yeah. Oh, he's such a bad. So he's a skateboarder. He had one incident one time in his life. And I saw the clip. Yeah, we've actually defended Hoover.

Yeah, of course you should. So all of a sudden he's lumped together with the pedophile rapist guy that escaped suicide from the mental house. And so he's running away. So there's a shooter. We're living in a time where everything on TV is mass shooter, mass shooter, mass shooter. So this guy comes with a skateboard and tries to save the day. Well, first he hit him in the back and then right now it's deflected. He just murdered somebody in his eyes.

But he didn't see it. What? None of these people witnessed it. They all say, he has a gun. He's shooting. He's shooting. No, they didn't. So the people were yelling, get him, get him, get him.

Why? Why? Why were they saying that? They didn't know. So nobody knew. This was tested. How do you know that? We watched the trial in full.

How do you know nobody knew? Bro, we covered this trial so ridiculously. We had seven witnesses on this show over the past year. And they all said nobody knew that he was a shooter. Gage Grosskreutz was running alongside Kyle right now saying, what happened? What happened? And he said, I thought Kyle said I'm working with the police. Gage then said, I decided to run the other direction.

But then people yelled, get him, stop him. So I turned around. Grosskreutz then pulls his gun out and goes after Rittenhouse. To the best of our understanding, it was an attempt to, I guess, kill the kid. Who, the skateboarder? No, no, no, the other guy. So I think I was by Seth Lerner. Skate skateboarder? No, no, no, the other guy. The guy that got his biceps blown off. Skateboarder didn't know what was going on.

No one did. They said, just cranium that boy, and people ran after him. And Anthony Hooper, without knowing what happened, swung as, while they're running. The shots just went off. What do you mean nobody knew? And everybody was screaming. Ziminski fired shots, and nobody knew what happened. But there were shots going off throughout the entire night.

And even after, hold on, hold on, afterwards. Right off after the block a guy just got shot and killed and nobody knew in the whole area nobody was over there so so how far did he run away he ran i think it was what 400 yards or something yeah i think so yeah so so he's running down the street by himself nobody saw anything someone yells yo cranium that boy the guy who got his arm shot testified he didn't even see or know what that guy what about the skateboarder was further down than he was yeah so hoober sees a guy running and runs up and tries hitting him in the back while he's running with a skateboard kyle because he's a shooter no bro they didn't know that how do you know that

because we watched the trial we listened but how do you know that he didn't know like like what what he wasn't there he was he 400 yards away. Because he was dead. You don't know what he knew, unfortunately. You don't know what he knew. Well, during these events, there's mass pandemonium. His girlfriend, his family, all the people that knew the skateboarder said that, yo, he went in there. They weren't there. But you weren't either.

It was testified. I'm telling you, bro. In court, several people testified Huber was nowhere near and had no way to know what had happened. And so one of the reasons Kyle Rittenhouse got off on self-defense was what Anthony Huber did, regardless of why anyone thought he did it, he randomly attacked someone with a skateboard. Anthony Huber ran up. It was just a random attack? Yes.

I don't know. You need to understand. When Luke was in Germany. This is what I was going to bring up. I was in Germany once, and then Antifa was looking for us because we were pictured next to someone that they didn't like. I didn't do nothing, but for them, I was, quote, deemed a Nazi. I wasn't. I had family killed by the Nazis that were fighting the Nazis.

Still, they said, he's a Nazi. They hunted me down, and they started attacking me. No, no, no, stop. Bro, bro, bro. You got to be – this is way more important. Yeah, but I'm getting to that point. Luke was walking down the street, and someone yelled Nazi Schweinhund and random... In Germany?

Yes, in Germany. I'm the Polish guy. Random people who were sitting down on the curb without seeing or knowing anything ran up and started beating the crap out of Luke. They didn't know me. They didn't hear any shots, but I had a situation in my hand where I was being jumped by a whole bunch of crazy people

and I was running away from them. As I was running, there's people getting up, decking me, whatever they had, to the point where I was finally able to get out of there. But random people, because someone just pointed, said something at me, started viciously attacking me. My other friend had to get surgery that was with me because he got beaten so bad. And then I was finally able to get away. I'm in a situation where there's like cops around. The cops are like, get out of here. We're not going to help you.

We can't help you. In Germany? In Germany during one of the largest Antifa meetings ever in history during – what was it? The G20? You were there? One of our other friends was a professional journalist who had traveled from America. He was working for a major mainstream publication. And a random person for seemingly no reason,

pointed and yelled, Nazi Schweinhund, and random people started beating him, and they stole his camera. And then he refused to back off. He's like, dude, I need my camera back. And they were like, no. And then someone finally intervened. And these were a bunch of Germans?

Yeah, a bunch of Germans. But you got to understand, during a lot of these protests, it was pandemonium. People were getting attacked left and right. People who were innocent, people who were walking by, people who thought were a part of different groups, mob mentality took over, and a lot of innocent people, especially during the BLM riots, were attacked, were viciously injured. Dozens were killed, and the media wasn't even talking about those cases, but the Kyle case was highlighted by the corporate media because it was the perfect divisive case that would divide people and make people fight each other. Meanwhile, it was, what, three dozen people

were killed during BLM protests. We didn't hear about their lives. We didn't hear about the shootings, the murders that happened that killed them. But this story was highlighted for a reason. So I think this was the perfect case. This was the perfect case that created the divide and conquer agenda that

of course has people debating this, that of course pins people against each other. But to me, this was the perfect case that created the divide and conquer agenda that, of course, has people debating this, that, of course, pins people against each other. But to me, this was an argument over self-defense, over, of course, a mob mentality. And I think self-defense won, and I think it was the right decision. Here's the thing. I wasn't saying anything about the verdict because I don't know what the state's – but the state laws, I don't know what the hell they are there. And, you know, self-defense, whatever, whatever. But what I'm saying is the heroic, you know, they make them into this hero to look up to. Yes, that I disagree with. And that's what I was saying.

Now he's out there acting like, oh, I'm the man, I'm the man. To understand that, you got to understand the context of the previous three days in Kenosha. There was a guy who was, I think he was in his 60s. And he had a store that a bunch of people had set on fire and were ransacking. He ran up with a fire extinguisher. He was spraying the door as they ran out, and someone clubbed him in the face from the back with a rock and shattered his jaw and left him there just bleeding out. So you had stories like that. You had buildings burnt to the ground.

And you literally had, the reason they targeted Kyle was because. Because he had a big, giant weapon? No, because he put a fire out. They were setting fires and he put it out. No, the guy that targeted him was a psycho rapist who escaped the mental hospital. I don't know if he escaped it. He was released that day, I think. Not escaped.

Yeah, he was basically the cause of the entire situation. Yeah. It was a spark. And there was other people with firearms there as well. It wasn't just Kyle. There was a lot of people who were just trying to be there as a kind of symbol. And they were saying, hey, even Kyle and other people, a part of Kyle's group were saying, hey, we're here not to be against the protesters. We're here not to fight anybody.

We're here to show support. A lot of the, quote, Boogaloo boys even came out, said we support BLM. We're behind BLM. We don't like the government. We don't like the police. So there's a lot of those people. So here's a question for you. For three days, a bunch of people who don't live in your neighborhood are shattering windows, smashing up cars, and torching things.

What do you do? Me? Yeah. I'll handle it. Yeah. No, I'm saying like in your mind, like how do you view the situation? Do you think? Well, I don't call a 17-year-old kid who can't fight with a big-ass weapon like, I'm going to save the day.

I don't call him. No, no, for sure. And then as soon as they go to attack him, he – But he ran away. Yeah, he ran away. And then he ran away again. He ran away. So why not find someone that could put hands on the guy?

Get some guy that can handle himself. If these are the guys – because everyone – oh, they called Kyle because they needed help. So call somebody that can handle it. Actually don't think they called kyle i think they called uh what was the guy what was that what was uh who was the other other guy who's being prosecuted yo when you was a kid when you're a kid they called him honestly though let me ask you something if there's a street fight and somebody says i'll fight you come on kill me kill me and runs up on you and just some street dude start shooting him, bow, bow, bow, bow. Start shooting him.

Is this guy the hero? Was that self-defense? But that's not what happened. That is what happened. It's not what happened. It was when Rosenbaum put his hands on Kyle's gun and seemed to want to take it from him. Well, that's another thing. If you grab my gun, bro, that's intent to kill. Why?

Why? Why? Because I've seen you said that. Are you for real right now? I'll tell you right now. I saw you say that. What's the black man that got murdered? George Floyd? No,'ve seen you said that. Are you for real right now? I'll tell you right now. I saw you say that. What's the black man that got murdered? George Floyd?

No, no, no. Recently. Armory. Armory. Armory. I heard you, the three crackers that killed him, I heard you defend the act. Well, he grabbed his car. Yeah, of course.

So if three guys come out ready to kill you, your first movement is self-defense. Grab shit. So why did he run towards them? What? Who are you talking about? Ahmaud Arbery ran. Yeah, because they come out the truck. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, bro.

They parked a block down from him and he ran to them. They came out the truck. I saw the video. And then he runs around the truck and grabs the gun. Yeah, because you got three crackers out there ready to blast you and come. And it's a threat to you. It's a threat to your life. So you can't defend these three guys.

You're not defending them, are you? Defending. So the three guys with guns that murdered a man in the street? I think one of the biggest challenges we face politically is when people have strong opinions on cases they don't know enough about. Well, I saw the video. Well, you saw a video. And you said. And I saw what you a video, but did you know the police went to them and told them, this is the guy we're looking for?

So what does that mean? So three crackers with guns could go, let's kill this Negro and let's get him. But they didn't do that. That is what happened. They see a black man and they say, oh, here's a black man in the street. And, you know, some people say

he's jogging. Some people say, oh, no, he's not jogging. Oh, he went through this house. But people go a black man in the street. And some people say he's jogging. Some people say, oh, no, he's not jogging. Oh, he went through this house. But people go through that house all the time. No, no, no, no, no. People didn't go. It was him. It was him personally. No, other people went in that house at all times, too.

That's not true, bro. That is fact. That is fact. Whatever it is. Bro, that's not true. Of course it is. They have video footage of other people in the house at other times. Yeah, yeah.

It was one guy. And a gun had gone missing from someone's truck. They didn't know they had video footage. So you are defending three random people in the streets shooting down and unarmed. They didn't shoot him? Yeah. They killed him. What do you mean they didn't kill him? They didn't shoot him.

How did he die? He grabbed the shotgun. That's called dual possession. What do you mean? So when two people are holding one gun, it's called dual possession. They were fighting over a gun and the gun went off. The reason they got convicted was because the prosecution argued that the citizen's arrest was not justified. There you go.

Because even though he was the specific felony suspect the police were looking for, the men who chased him down were only operating on the request of the police and not witnessing the crime itself. Yeah, but what does that mean? What does that mean? So listen, listen. I'll explain to you. Cool. The police go to their house and say, this is the guy we're looking for who we believe is burglarizing the neighbor.

That's a felony charge. If you see him, let us know. Which cops did that? And why did the cops go to citizens? They were going door to door. We need help. Please. That's right.

Find this guy for us. The detectives went door to door saying, have you seen this man? So then they come. So then they see the guy. A bunch of crackers and come out. Oh, let's get him. So then they come. So then they see the guy. A bunch of crackers come out. Oh, let's get him. Let's get him. So then they see the guy running down the street.

They say, that's the guy. Let's stop him. Why are they armed? Because he's a suspect in stealing a gun from a truck. Yeah. There was no evidence that this was race-related at all. Of course it was race-related. And the guy.

Do you have any evidence? Do you have any evidence? Yes, of course. Do you have any evidence suggesting that there was race involved here? Because the racist guy who shot him. How do you know he was racist? Because there was race? The racist guy who shot him. How do you know he was racist? Because there was past videos.

There was past messages. There's past dialogue of him saying stuff about N-words and this and that. That's all documented. Go look it up. That's all documented. Highly documented. But that's a thing. But that still doesn't prove it was a race-related event.

Or that maybe he changed his mind. Okay, so if it was a white kid walking down the street in their neighborhood, they're not stopping. I'm just saying it's questionable and it's making an assertion to think it was racially. You know what they do in Chicago? What do they do in Chicago? I lived off of 47th, South 47th. You cross 47th Street, you go from the Polish-Hispanic area right into the black neighborhood. If you are from South of 47th and you cross north, the police would just arbitrarily stop

you, arrest you, and take you in for questioning. No questions. Yeah, well, that's the police, and they shouldn't have the right to do that. No, for sure. But to argue that it doesn't happen anywhere else when I'm like, that was my childhood growing up. Who argued that it didn't happen? You just said.

You just said if it was a white kid, they wouldn't have stopped him. But literally, I'm telling you, that's my neighborhood. The crackers in the van wouldn't have stopped him but literally i'm telling you that's my crack is in the van wouldn't stop them they wouldn't they wouldn't see see some guy walking down the street a black man and oh get him i just think you don't know anything about the case bro i seen it you know so you you know and i know the way society is going on for five months that they had installed security cameras all over the place you didn't know the police went door to door saying this is the guy we're looking for uh you mentioned you made it i don't care i don't door to door saying this is the guy we're looking for? You mentioned – you made it seem like they chased him down.

I don't care if the pigs put out this thing saying, hey, we're looking for this man. And then all of a sudden they come out with guns, citizens, and then they shoot the guy dead in the street. And you're justifying that and rooting for that. That's crazy to me. Who said I was rooting for it? Well, you know – The guy who filmed it got life in prison. He for just for filming it for filming bro that's nazi shit they all it's not nazi bro you're saying that someone who films a crime in progress should

go to prison they're part of it well how is he part of it he brought the evidence that showed the world what happened the world wouldn't know what happened if it wasn't for him so why he wasn't even with the guys he was driving down the street he saw the guy running filmed it here's the thing we're talking about the vision you you were talking about how we divide everything and uh you know what we want to do is divide you know and that's what the government does that's what the media does but the thing is we do the same shit here on this show we do you're right you know it's like it's part of the vision and and the clip she sent me today and i'm not trying to be fight with you guys

on everything you know i'm not trying to that's not why i'm here you know no but what you're thinking the clip the clip that she showed me today was you guys talking about critical race theory and that that was crazy to me i was like what is it what you know like the boogeyman it's like almost like an anti-black thing like where critical race theory is this big threat to white children all over the world. We don't say that. Yeah, but you do. No, we don't.

The clip that I seen, it was like you were excited that they banned it from schools, which is crazy to me. That's Nazi to me. Because you want to know what my angle is. What I agree with you on is anti-censorship of the internet. I think you're intelligent with that, and I agree with that. And she also said you're pro, you're anti-censorship of the internet. I think you're intelligent with that, and I agree with that. And she also said you're pro, you're anti-death penalty.

I agree with you. So there's a lot of points that I agree with you on. So what about segregation are you in favor of? Okay, okay. Here, the critical race theory debate that you had, you guys started talking about Martin Luther King and his quote. What's the quote that you used for Martin Luther King?

People should be judged based on the content of their character. That's not even the quote, though. He said, I'd like my four- I have a dream that my four little children will one day be judged on the content of their character. That's the quote. So he's talking about his four little black babies who have been called the N-word, who have been treated like garbage trash their whole life. So he has a dream that they could be looked at as equal people.

And then you take that same exact clip and take that quote. And say that my mixed race family shouldn't be segregated. Yeah, but you're a white boy. I know you're Asian, but you're a white boy. Come on, man. Like when you walk down the street, nobody's like that mixed Asian guy. No, they call me Hispanic. Whoa, come on, man.

See, this is you being racist. Okay. Oh, this is the anti-white stuff now, right? Well, anti-white. I mean, anti-white. No, no, no. I'm saying like my experience growing up was being called racial slurs, was being told I couldn't cross certain streets, was being told that I have all the privilege of my white

dad, but I'm also mixed, so I'm not entitled to that same privilege. Come on. And then you come in here. Yeah, but compare that to any black man on the planet. And tell me that I'm supposed to compare myself to other races instead of just being allowed to be who I am and live the way I want to live. When did I say that? You just told me to compare it to any other black man.

Why can't I just be like, treat me like a regular human being regardless of my race? Yeah, because critical race theory in schools, you're promoting banning that. Like, I don't understand how that's... What do you think critical race theory is? Well, that's the other debate. What's your understanding of it?

Because we need to go down to the definitions before... Why would you put Martin Luther King's name on it and say that he would be against it? Because he didn't believe in discrimination. Yes, he did. No, no, he didn't believe in discrimination. Exactly. But there's people with institutional power pushing discrimination on people because of the way that they were born. And that's wrong.

And that's what Martin Luther King agreed was wrong. But that's not what's happening. You fear mongering. Are you sure about that? Yes. Yes. Have you been paying attention to that? Yes.

Yes. Yes, I have. So you think segregation. The University of Dearborn, Michigan segregated white and black students. So what I'm saying is you take the nasty quote from some crazy lunatic hippie teacher in some weird state. Derrick Bell? And you take a video clip of that and go, look, this is what critical race theory is. It's some weird white lady saying some weird stuff. Well, you don't know of any idea what you're talking about.

Of course I do. Of course I do. Who's Derrick Bell? Tell me about Derrick Bell. No, if you don Of course I do. So who's Derrick Bell? Tell me about Derrick Bell. No, if you don't know... Tell me the name of Derrick Bell because I know... He's one of the originators

and proponents of... Okay, the writers. Okay, okay. Who's Kimberly Crenshaw? She's the writer of the 16... And what do they believe? Well, tell me what they believe. What did Martin Luther King believe?

Derrick, he believed that we should judge people on the content of the character. Let's put it up close. No, let's put... That's the white boy's quote that they all use to protect Martin Luther King. Sure, sure, sure. Then we'll ignore Martin Luther King.

Let me ask you this. Okay. Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to re-educate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of america believe they have so little to learn that's this the reality of substantial investment to assist negroes into the 20th century adjusting to negro neighbors and genuine school integration is still a nightmare for all too many white americans soon the doctrine of white supremacy was embedded in every textbook and preached in practically every pulpit it became a structural part of the culture.

And men then embraced this philosophy not as rationalization of a lie but as expression of a final truth. This is all Martin Luther King now. That sounds like critical race theory. That's not what critical race theory is. Of course it is. However difficult it is. No, because you have this fear mongering. No, because you don't even know who Derrick Bell is.

I don't know the name of the author. You don't even know what he believes bell is i don't know the name of the author i don't even know what he believes you don't know what he wrote mark lamont hill does that thing too where like when a right winger comes on his show he said well who's the exact author and then he wins if you don't know what they believe no no no i've read on uh critical race theory i know their theories so you can take theory on plessy versus workison here you can take a quote one quote and use that quote and say this is the whole thing. This is the whole thing what critical race theory is and it should be banned. So how many people believe in critical race theory in our country? There's like 12%.

That's bullshit. What? That's your fan base. That's not the real world. That's YouGov data. That's not the real world. That data is not real. The YouGov data is not real.

That data, 12% of the world believe in critical race theory. No, United States. United States. I don't believe that. Manipulated data. So listen, listen. But what I'm saying is there's big masses of people in America who believe in critical race theory and believe that it should be studied and taught to some people.

So you believe because you don't believe in it, you believe it should be banned and taught to some people. So you believe, because you don't believe in it, you believe it should be banned, or you celebrate that. And how is that, when you're a free speech advocate, supposedly, how do you think it's okay for DeSantis to ban critical race theory? Do you think they should be teaching kids the tenets of Christianity in grade schools? Sure.

Like prayer. They could speech. They can teach about Christianity. No, no, no. I'm saying, should they tell them, you must pray to the Lord. That's not what they're doing with critical race theory. That's not real. Then you've not researched it.

I've researched it, and I've seen the videos of people fear-mongering it and acting like they're indoctrinating our white children to hate themselves, and they're making it. But you haven't actually. Yes, I have. I've watched just as many clips. I're making – But you haven't actually – Yes, I have. I've watched just as many clips. I've read just as many articles as you. Yes, I have. What's your definition of critical race theory?

Because I – Articulate it. We had many of – some of these teachers come in with the books they're teaching. One of them showed a whiteness contract that showed a white hand holding a contract with a devil tail coming out. Yeah, that's the fear manga ditto. You found one bad clip. That's not what critical race theory is. How many books did she bring in?

It's been around for decades. It's been around for decades. When they're telling kids in books by Ibram X. Books by Ibram X. Kendi to contemplate on their whiteness, right? This is akin to telling someone

to pray to the Lord. It's not teaching them about the ideas. It's teaching them to practice the ideas. Who's the teacher? Show me the clip. I don't know. Let's pull up. Show me the clip. I don't know.

Let's pull up. I mean, it's from this show. I think the delineation is teaching someone about communists as opposed to raising a child as a communist. And banning the right for someone to raise their children as communists in school is different than teaching them about communism as a theory. Show me these children that are indoctrinated, that hate themselves, that believe white people are so terrible and we hate ourselves now because they're being taught about history. They're not being taught about history.

Yes, they are. Of course they are. Of course they are. It's not possible that you are not seeing these stories because they are outside of your purview. No, no, no. It's possible that these stories are out there. No, I've watched the ones – I'm just hearing a story about a little kid who came home and was like, Mom, I feel bad because my teacher told me that I have subjugated my black classmates. She's like, that's weird. That's crazy.

I want to say something important. Oh, I feel bad for that white kid. I want to say something important. Yeah, yeah. I don't feel bad for him. I just want to say something important. All right, this is great. I'm really glad you're here.

I appreciate the conversation. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's all – Can't reach, but – It's all about expressing your ideas. That's what we wanted to do. You don't want it to be boring. You want to have talks.

That's why I said the – The reason I said that is because you just told Ian earlier in the show that he didn't know who Rakim was. You were very, very critical of him, right? Yeah, because he's a musician. But so who are you to tell him as a, he's supposed to know what you know, but then you're going to tell me or Luke as a journalist that you know things. What I'm saying is – No, as a journalist, you're looking for – You're not a journalist.

You're looking for certain books to be banned, which is crazy. No, I'm not looking for books to be banned. Yeah, well, you were celebrating the banning of – Of praxis. Of praxis. Banning critical race theory. Praxis. Okay, tell me what you're talking about.

Praxis is theory in practice. So what they're doing in schools, we refer to as critical race praxis. That's actually what they call it. We call it critical race applied principles as a pejorative, crap. But quite literally, it is called critical race praxis.

Critical race theory is quite literally, as per Kimberlé Crenshaw, rooted in critical theory, which is Marxism. Marx believed that, you know, we look at class through the oppressed and oppressor. He thought it was rich and poor. Kimberly Crenshaw said he doesn't understand the nature of race in America. And thus, critical race theory was born that looks at oppressed and oppressor based on

race, inherently that white people are all and always will be oppressors and that people who are not white will experience detriment because of that. They'll be oppressed because of it. What the schools are doing is no school, no grade school has taken out that book and said, here's a quote from Kimberly Crenshaw. What do you think that means? What they've done is – Why are you so scared of that quote?

Why are you so scared? Scared of Praxis? Why are you so scared of it? Why am I scared of Praxis? Yeah, whatever you're talking about. Why is that scary to you? It would be as bad as if they're teaching Christianity. I went to a Catholic school.

Not a fan. So I think our schools should be areas where kids are taught to think critically, but not told to disregard or view people as enemies or with hatred. Here's the thing is, there's a whole history of our books. It's like we just read the Martin Luther King quote, right? Where all of our books have been filled just read the Martin Luther King quote, right? Where all of our books have been filled with white supremacy. That's real. Do you disagree with that?

All of our books? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Exactly, I was going to say. You were raised, we were all raised on white supremacy. I wasn't. Superiority in school? I wasn't. You weren't raised on Christopher and America's exceptionalism and pledging allegiance to the flag to the united states right right bro that's white supremacy let me give you the meme

all right the meme is me saying i'm mixed race my grandfather married a korean woman it was illegal when he did he had mixed race kids it was illegal when he did my family was forced to flee 12 different states when people found out i was raised by a second generation mixed race family who told me exactly what you're saying. Christopher Columbus didn't discover America. They were already people. We're talking about the schools, though. Yes, yes.

Because we're talking about why are you so – So I went to schools in heavily mixed areas. They taught us about the Trail of Tears. They taught us a lot of the stuff you're saying. But it was all from a classically liberal position, not to teach us to hate one another, not to say that white people are inherent oppressors. Yeah, but they're not teaching CRTs. They're not teaching people to hate.

They are. No, they're not. It's a systematic racism, which is real. White supremacy, which is real. But hold on. Just really quick. Do you think white people should be discriminated against because of history? Well, what do you mean?

They should be denied access to opportunities and abilities because of their skin color. What does that have to do with Ron DeSantis banning critical race theory? Because critical race theory teaches that people need to step aside, shut up, lose opportunities and abilities because of the way that they were born. There's critical race praxis. So I think one of the big challenges, too, is when the left argues critical race theory, they use the academic definition, and the right is talking about praxis specifically. And I think it's typically because you've got in Loudoun County, which is literally a minute from here, these are parents. They don't know legal critical theory stuff. All they know is their kid came home one day and said, mommy, are white people evil?

It's a good question. Mommy, are white people evil? Look at all the evils white people have done historically forever since good question. Mommy, are white people evil? Look at all the evils white people have done historically forever since our existence. What about Japanese people? The Romans gave white people

a bad name. Are Japanese people all evil like that too? Was it Unit 431? Why is it only white people that are getting picked on here? Because we live in America and it was a society

raised on Christian white people values. That was what it always was. White people were always superior. White people were the best. White people were the smartest. White people had all the opportunities. They've been keeping black people in prison.

They've been throwing drugs in the street. The CIA contaminated the streets. We don't disagree with any of that. We don't disagree with that. So what I'm saying is when that's the society we come from, I mean right after the Civil Rights Act, it's like you act like anything changed. But the Western world was one of the first countries, a part of it, that stopped slavery. You look at the continuation of slavery, especially what happened in the Middle East.

Because if you want to go after people for evil in history. But we live here. And we're talking about critical race in the Middle East. But we're talking about critical race theories in our schools. What policies? What policies are you for? No, no, no, no, no, no. You said, which racist policies?

What do you mean? You said the policies are still racist. Okay, let's look at the jail system. Like, look at the percentage of people in jail that are brown compared to white. How many is it? 52%. And you probably talked about this a million times. It probably defended it.

And I'm for abolishing the current system of prisons that we have. Yeah, so that's right there. You asked me to name one. That's one. But see, here's the thing, man. I did a documentary years ago on Pruitt-Igoe, what caused Ferguson, why people were rioting. So I know full well about blockbusting redline especially being from Chicago of course we oppose all these things yep so critical race

theory is is the re-embodiment of a lot of these same problems what's your biggest fear of critical race theory that's going to happen a white boy comes home and goes like mom are we evil that's your biggest fear that's messed up but is that your biggest fear no is that your biggest fear that you think that is that is that right is that okay do you think that is okay yes it is okay you keep learning to hate themselves no they're not hating themselves they ask the question like they look at their history and say look at all the evil white people have done in america and authority figures are saying it's only but why are we focusing on them why not there's a lot of other things being taught in school so why are you why aren't japanese people told why aren't you only focusing on critical race theory like it's the boogeyman, like

it's the scariest thing that ever happened and you're celebrating ban it, ban it, ban it. Bro, that was one clip. Because it's teaching people to ban it. No, you've been against CRT, man. No, no, no. I know, but what I'm saying is you can't look at one subject and say, why aren't we talking about other things?

Because we bring up Epstein, we bring up Assange. Yeah, but we're talking about the school. In school. Why aren't you arguing anything else taught in the schools? Why aren't you looking to ban other books in schools or other subjects in school? I don't want any books banned in schools. You want to ban books that are CRT related. Yes.

The praxis. So you want to keep the books in the school, the CRT books? 100%. Oh. If the teacher has the book and says, this is what the political controversy is about. Here's why. In this book, it depicts a white person as the devil. Do you understand why people are upset about it? Show me that book. I saw the picture. I saw the ditto. Here's why. In this book, it depicts a white person as the devil. Do you understand why people are upset about it?

Show me that book. I saw the picture. I saw the ditto, the one book. And show me a class where the kindergarten kids, I mean, the grade school kids

and the junior high school kids are being taught this book. Private Manhattan School teaches children from both the teachers' I've seen that book and that picture, that one page of evil.

And they're doing it down here, man. They're doing it in our local schools. Loudoun County is one minute. You get on the road and 30 seconds away, you're in Loudoun. And they're doing it down here, man. They're doing it in our local schools. Loudoun County is one minute. You get on the road and 30 seconds away, you're in Loudoun. And there was a huge controversy. So you think it's wrong to teach your children about the evils of what white people have done in our country? That's not what we're doing.

Why would that be wrong? That's not wrong. I agree. You're right. Why would that be wrong? This book literally says whiteness is a bad idea. It's a bad deal. Which book said that?

That book that we just looked at. Let's look at it. I mean, bro, bro, they shouldn't be depicting any race as the devil. Why would you do that? Well, that's, this is the fear-mongering.

Whiteness is a bad idea. No, no, no. Of course it is. No, we're showing you. No, it's not. This is what kids are going through. You know what you're doing right now? This is what kids are going through.

No, no, it's not true. Yes. Okay, let me make my point. You know what you're doing right now by showing that one little clip, oh, look, look, this is it. That's Occupy Wall Street. You guys were the protesters at Occupy Wall Street.

Remember when that was happening? They'd be like, oh, girls are getting raped and people just shit and piss in the street. And that's what it is. That's not what it was. But they take the really ugly moment or the ugly lesson and they sensation. That's it. And they pretend like that's what the whole movement is. We had a stack of about 20 books here.

She brought a whole bag. And they all had that? That's the worst page you have? Or related to it? Oh, no, this isn't the worst. The worst was a book that was actual literal depiction of a child in a compromising position,

a compromising adult position. Oh, yeah. They show this to children in school. That's not what critical race theory is. No, no. It's not critical race theory. You know what? Okay.

But it is part of this weird... Yeah, yeah. So why are we bringing that up? See, that's more fear-mongering when you're bringing up a sexual thing into critical race theory. That is a tactic

because why would you even bring it up? No, no. I agree. I agree. Let's not even... We'll get into that. That's critical gender theory.

That's a different thing that we've also talked about. But I'll give you that one. My issue with critical race theory, I'll tell you exactly what it is. So I come from two generations of interracial families. My mother, it wasn't until I think she was like 11 years old, she was able to actually say my parents are mixed race because it wasn't until Loving v. Virginia happened. I think it was 1967.

She wasn't legally allowed to cohabitate with her siblings or my mom or my grandmother or my grandfather because they were all different races. That was illegal. So should this be forgotten? No, that's my point. Like the way black people are supposed to forget their history. So I'll tell you this. So I grew up with this, right? And so I've got two generations of white.

I got a grandfather and I got a father who straight up said this was wrong and love is love. And I remember when my dad would tell me he was like, your mom's side of the family knew it. It doesn't matter who you love or why you love them. Love is love. And my family was very accepting. They were pro-gay rights, all that stuff. They opposed all the racism.

And then I one day go to Occupy Wall Street, and they told me I wasn't allowed to speak because I look too white. And so I said, I've got some experiences I could share. Who said that now? The facilitators. Who's the facilitator? That was the self-appointed group that controlled who was allowed to speak. So there was one person that said that to you?

No, it was like seven. So everybody said, you look too white, you can't do it. Yeah, it was called the progressive stack. And what happened was one day I stood up and I raised my hand and the guy looked at me and says, anyone less white? Yeah, he was trying to be, that sounded like he was trying to be funny. Why are you excusing discrimination and racism? and I raised my hand and the guy looked at me and says, anyone less white? That sounds like he was trying to be funny. Why are you excusing

discrimination and racism? Because that sounds like a funny joke. It don't sound real. The progressive stack is well known at Occupy Wall Street. They would write down

who was allowed to speak based on their reverse privilege. So if you were a gay woman, you had to speak first. If you were a black woman and if you looked white, one guy actually was told he couldn't speak because he was white, and he said, I'm gay.

And they went, I'm sorry. You can speak now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That all went down. That's the world that they're living in. That's the world that they're teaching kids to live in. No, no. That has nothing to do with critical race theory, though.

And that has nothing to do with your kids, what your kids are living in. That's ridiculous. No, it's not. That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing. They're raising kids to live in a society like this. What? Bro, that's the society that they're creating.

What is that? I'm going to give you a person. This is a personal experience that you said happened to you at Operation. I mean, that's something that you claimed happened to you, right? So now you're going to put your negative experience into critical race theory in the school because you're triggered from Occupy Wall Street or something? No, no, no, because we have the Loudoun County battle just across the street from us. And all the kids are crazy there and they hate themselves

because they're white? The kids went to their parents and said things that caused parents alarm and then parents in large numbers went and said, why are my kids saying these things? Yeah, yeah. So we had Asra Nomani on. She's been on many shows. She's been on mainstream television.

Yeah, she's been on Tucker, I think. I don't want to say Tucker. She was on ABC or something. She brought us a stack of books. I think it was like 20 books. And she told us where they were being taught, how they were being taught. And some of them outright say, the Ibram X. Kendi book says,

think about what your whiteness is and close your eyes and then think about how you think other people perceive you as a white person and why that's wrong and things like that. So I'm not okay with telling little kids to make a race-based society. I think we should stop using race as a way to discriminate against people. I think people should have equal access and equal opportunity.

And I think schools telling kids to accentuate race and to see it is making kids actually divide themselves. Yeah, I understand that. And that's how you feel. But the problem that I have is the same thing that I keep saying is that you agree with them banning it from the school because a lot of people disagree with what you're saying. A lot of people disagree with Christianity. Yeah, but a lot of people disagree with what you're saying. So now of people do. I disagree with Christianity in schools too. Yeah, but a lot of people disagree with what you're saying. So now we say, oh, step into Santa, save the day

from these black point of views that we don't agree with. But it's not black point of views. No, it's not. Because, wait, hold on. Let me just explain this because if you just keep saying it's all white people.

How is it not? Because let me explain it. White authors writing books are not black people. It's only white people responsible. There's a lot of black people wrote those books.

It's only white people that did this. And white people that did this. And white people that did this. Why are you obfuscating the Muslim slave trade? That still happens right now in Libya. Why are you obfuscating the fact of African tribes enslaving other tribes? Why are you not giving up truth? Because we live in the United States of America.

Why are you saying it's only them people that are responsible for all of your problems instead of taking personal responsibility? No, because we're talking about the history of America here. That's what we're talking about. We could go into other subjects. Obviously. And you guys are the ones that are afraid of critical race theory

that is going to make white boys feel bad, white kids feel bad for some reason. That's an oversimplification. I'm also worried about mixed race kids who have repeatedly

complained about this. What'd they say? So there was one kid who was mixed race black and he was told that he was too white. So he was an oppressor and then the school made him go into like an oppressor group, like in the classroom or something. Oh, because of the class, the class made him do that. The teacher did. So critical race theory made that happen. That's praxis. So let me explain again, just to make sure it's clear. Critical race theory as a core academic

viewpoint should absolutely 100% be in schools. Critical race praxis should not, in much the same way we shouldn't be teaching Christianity's praxis, Christian praxis. So both of those I think are wrong. Muslim praxis, Jewish praxis should not be in schools. We should not tell a kid, I want you to sit down, close your eyes and reflect on how you've offended the Lord. We also shouldn't be saying, close your eyes and reflect on how whiteness is a problem for society. We should be saying, here's what people who are Jewish believe. Here's why they believe it. Here's what critical race

theory is and why people believe it. There you are, my friend. I've informed you. You informed me. Do you disagree? I'm not saying you. I'm saying the teacher should tell kids, like, here's what's going on. Yeah, all right. I just –

Yeah, tell me. Do you disagree with any of those statements? Do you disagree with any of those sentiments? Do you disagree with the segregation of people? Well, the segregation of people, I don't agree that critical race theory is segregation of people. That's what the issue is. I think you guys – All right, I'll say practice.

I think you pick and choose little quotes. But see, we were talking critical race theory from the whole start of the conversation and then practice. But here's the issue is that we've already stated we agree critical race theory is fine. It should be taught in school and they shouldn't ban it? Yes. Okay. Well, we're talking – when we're talking about critical race theory, there's like two different semantic versions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So typically when we're referring to it, we're talking about the praxis of. So you're not talking about the one that they teach in law school or something you teach? You're talking about the one that they... Schools should tell kids Christopher Columbus didn't discover America. He discovered it for Europeans. Native Americans were already here. Yeah, but how

often do you talk about that on your podcast? Almost every time. Okay, cool. There you go. Even before Columbus, there was another guy before him. Exactly. So again, it was- So that was my childhood. My mom told me all that stuff.

I heard that in public school. Yeah, but we're talking about what your parents taught you, you know, because- No, no, I said the schools I went to taught this. And you also brought up how your mixed parents, they weren't allowed to get married and all of that stuff, but that wasn't just- Grandparents. Yeah, yeah. So my grandparents was the same thing and they were white.

It was like my Sicilian grandmother and my Scottish grandfather. And they got married and the Sicilians hated that. It was a Scottish person. They didn't go to jail? So they kicked them out of the family. They didn't go to jail? No, but we're still talking about different kinds of supposedly- No, no, no. Hold on, hold on, man. What? Tell me didn't go to jail? No, but we're still talking about different kinds of supposedly. No, no, no.

Hold on, hold on, man. What? Tell me. You go to jail. They were called anti-miscegenation laws. If they found out that two people of different races were in the same building cohabitating, you got arrested. So my family had to flee when people found out because people were coming after them

for it. It wasn't like, oh, no, my family's mad at me. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah. All right. So here's what I see with the praxis. I'm seeing these same stories manifest themselves before my eyes. I'm seeing, I was doing a documentary on Cop Watch. I'm literally hanging out with people and we're complaining about police brutality.

And then one woman who is more Asian than I was says, no, you don't have a right to speak on this because you're not Asian enough. Are you hurt? Am I hurt by this? Yeah, like, are you really hurt? Like did this really destroy you from figuring anything out in life and being successful and doing your thing? Are you really that hurt by somebody saying,

you're not Asian enough? Oh, you're not gay enough. Are you really hurt by it? Is that the type of society you want to live in? What? You think that someone went up to obsess about race? Wait, hold on. You're saying that I should accept people telling me that when they discriminate against me based on being mixed race, I should accept it?

Who discriminates? You know, if you go to get a house, you'll get a house just easier than anybody. Everything, you know, there's not no discrimination. People are going to go and see you. You're going to get everything you want. You look like a white boy. It's all good. See, bro, like it's the craziest thing to me.

You think you're being discriminated against in society? Like a big scale like there's this gradient what it's a gradient what do you mean so like obviously i'll be discriminated against less than other people yeah of course but i get discriminated way less and it's just fascinating way way less you get discriminated against less than jews blacks, Hispanics, I'm sure. How do you know? You'll admit to it, right? No. You won't?

No. You really believe you get discriminated against more than blacks, Jews, and Hispanics? You really believe that? No, I'm just telling you you're a racist. Good. If that's really what you think, I'm a racist. You are. What I just said is fact, though.

But you're overtly racist. You're like, I look at you, and I make a predetermination about what your life experiences were based on what you think, I'm a racist. You are. What I just said is a fact, though. But you're overtly racist. You're like, I look at you and I make a predetermination about what your life experiences were based on what you look like to me. But you do get discriminated against less than blacks. You don't know that. I do know it. You don't. I don't need to. I will say this.

Black people, I 100%. Can you admit to it? Can you admit to it? Admit to what? You don't admit that you have a lesser discrimination problem than Hispanics, Jews, and blacks? I believe that I get discriminated against less than black people in this country. Not Latinos? Not Latinos.

Really? Yeah, I don't agree with that, man. Because you're racist. Okay. No, no, no. Hold on. Don't dismiss me. I will dismiss you because I know how American society works.

Who's my community? I'm a realist. Who's my community? Do I get to go to my Latino church? When I get people calling me slurs, do I get to then go? Who is calling you slurs? Walk to the store. Let's go to the stores.

Let's run around. Let's live life together. Come on. I move out of these places for a reason. Oh, because everybody's racist against you? No, no. I don't buy it, man. But see, this is the fascinating thing to me, that you could claim to be proponent of critical race theory, but overtly tell me you know my experiences better than I do, and my views on my-

Oh, I definitely know that you've discriminated less than black people, Hispanics, and Jewish people. And you're going to tell me what life is like for a second-generation mixed-race person. You know better. Yes. Where are you from? Where are you from? I know the way- Where are you from?

I'm from Long Island, Suffolk County. You're from Long Island. You're white. Yeah. You've from Long Island. You're white. Yeah. You got blue eyes. You have no idea what I went through. Yes, I do. No, you think.

You look like a white boy. More than everybody in the room, you're a white boy. Blonde hair, blue eyed Luke. You look like a white boy. Blonde hair, blue eyed Ian. You can act like the victim, but you're a white boy to people. You walk the streets, you're a white boy. The cops pull you over, you're a white boy.

That's what it is. That's not true. That's just literally making that up. The cops pull you over, you ain't a white boy. cops pull you over you're a white boy that's what it is you know your granddad's not true but it's just literally the cops pull you over you ain't a white boy they say hola bro i'm from the south side of chicago some people mistake you that you're hispanic sometimes so you don't think an actual real hispanic would be you know put on the spot more than you like an actual real hispanic so this is what you have you have people who this is what you don't get you right because you might deal the term. This is where I start to understand. And this is why I understand a lot of progressive point of views.

This is why I actually believe in a lot of the work we did as a society with ending blockbusting or whatever. Because you're a dude who grew up in an overwhelmingly white area. How do you know that? You're from Long Island. Long Island. Have you ever been there? Yeah. Do you know the parts of Long Island?

All right. So you didn't grow up in a white area? I're from Long Island. Long Island. Have you ever been there? Yeah. Do you know the parts of Long Island? All right. So you didn't grow up in a white area? I grew up in all over Long Island. Black areas, white areas, all over. Yeah. So let me. There's a lot of hardcore places in there. Let me be real.

And I grew up in the rap community when I was a fucking, before I had hair on my balls. And, you know, everybody that I rocked with was all, I was in a black community from Y Dance to Hempstead. Do you have ancestry? Do you have a place to go? A community? What does that mean? You mentioned Sicilian?

Do you have a grandma? Yeah, my grandmother's from Sicily. I don't have any of that, bro. When I went back to Korea, they told me that I was wrong. They said you were a fascinating obscurity to us. And you were really hurt by it? Are you kidding me? This is amazing.

The amount of like... No, because here's the thing. You think I shouldn't deserve these things? I shouldn't have a heritage for my life because I don't. Yeah, but you guys whine about how... Yeah, we need a society that does away with discrimination on the basis of race like you do. You make assumptions about me, what I went through. I know you lived a decent life. I know it just by looking at you. I'm about me, what I went through. I know you lived a decent life.

I know it just by looking at you. I'm a lower class. I know it. I know it. I'm a mixed race high school dropout from the South Side, bro. I got dead friends from gang conflict, from heroin overdose. So do all of us. So do everybody else.

Not all of us. Not all of us. Everybody in this room got dead friends from heroin. Everybody got dead gang members. All of us. No, I don't. No, I don't. Oh, yeah.

The guys don't know what gang members are. Luke may be South Brooklyn. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. I do I don't. No, I don't. Oh, yeah, the guys don't know Rick and I. Luke may be South Brooklyn. I do. But listen, you can't judge a person on their own personal merits just because of the way that they look. Do you want a society where everyone's obsessing about race and their skin color and judge on it? Do you think that's fair?

I just think when you get somebody like that, because you go to the defense of the cops all the time. I see you do it. You go to the defense of the cops. Like when I tweet abolish the police? No, when you were rooting for Derek Chauvin, shit like that, you know? Because of the law.

Because of the law, because he stepped on the guy's neck. You're rooting for Derek Chauvin, you're rooting for the black man, the guy that murdered the black man, you root for these people. No, we root for facts. Facts, yeah.

He stepped on the guy's neck for nine minutes and everybody saw it. And that's undebatable no matter what you say. And we agree it went over with him. So a person who is discriminated against in society like a black man who actually goes through this stuff has real pain. So you to go, oh, I went back to Asia and they said you look like a fabulous person. Whatever you said, that doesn't feel like real pain to me. That doesn't feel like pain to me.

And I think we live in a society where like, you know. You don't have that, bro. I don't have what? You don't have my experiences. Being a white rapper in a community in the 80s didn't have that. Where if you do the wrong thing. You chose that. Yeah, exactly.

And it was great. You're a racist. You're a racist. I didn't choose my life. I watch your videos. You chose that. Yeah, exactly. And it was great. You're a racist. You're a racist. I didn't choose my life. I watch your videos. You moved with Derek Chauvin. That's racist 101. You did.

You were like, great news for Derek Chauvin's child. What really happened is the world saw a man stepping on a man's neck for nine and a half minutes. And then you defended it. Because George Floyd said, get me out of the car and put me on the ground. So? He was unarmed. So he deserved to die because of that? I didn't say that.

So what's the problem? I don't even know why you're bringing up Chauvin when I'm talking about you. No, because you're calling me a racist and you're the guy talking about. I'm calling you a racist. Yeah, and I'm calling you a racist. Because you told me that. The guy on Riotic grabbed his gun. He said, I don't got real pain.

My experiences don't matter. No, I'm just talking about we're men here. We live in a society. We're men. We're strong men here. You can't handle somebody said you're fantastic, whatever the hell they told you. So call me racist all you want. Because you look at me and you're like, I know what your life was.

Yeah, I do. And that's not true. It's not true. I don't think that's fair at all. It's your eyes. It's the way you look and the way you think so I pull myself out of the gutter

and then you come at me and make racist statements the way that you're pro-police and pro-militarization I don't think I'm saying abolish the police over again

is pro-police you guys aren't being racist you're being prejudicial no it's racist it's okay bro have you seen you tweet 87 times abolish the police

yeah abolish the police but meanwhile then you champion Derek Chauvin. So that's crazy. Yeah, no, it's really quite simple. And you said, oh, they sent the bad guy. The police sent those three crackers to save the day. And that's why they had guns. And you defended it.

So you defend the murdering of black people. I don't defend the murdering of you or anyone on the planet. See, what you're doing is you're taking everything I said out of context. No, I didn't. I didn't say what these guys did was right. In fact, I said the letter of the law. But you defended them all. You defended all the black bodies being murdered. Why do you call them bodies?

Because they were dead bodies. Human beings. Yeah. Human beings. Yeah. Dead bodies. The fucking cops murdered them. Who? The cops murdered these people. No, no, I'm just asking which story. Because we're talking about specific bodies. The fucking cops murdered them. Who? The cops murdered these people. No, no, no. I'm just asking which story. Because we're talking about specific stories. I'm not trying to.

The ones that you defend. Which ones? Chauvin. Chauvin stepping on a man's neck. Okay, that's one. Do you have another one? No, no, no, no, no. Hold on.

Oh, you want me to go through a list of black men? Bro, you've not watched my content on any of this stuff. You're making assumptions about what I believe. Okay. So tell me what you believe about black men being murdered. They shouldn't be. Okay. So then why do you defend about black men being murdered. They shouldn't be. Okay, so then why do you defend their killers?

Who? The three criminals. What did I say about Chauvin? Yeah, you said... Pull up the clip again. Pull up your clip. The one where I said it was wrong,

that it looks like murder, that he shouldn't defend his family for nine minutes. And also, you... Or are you talking about... No, the one where you were like, Derek Chauvin got big news. Yeah, yeah.

You know, like all of that kind of stuff When we're talking about the trial And the state prosecutor Came out and said He was justified So you know your videos You know your videos Oh yeah you were like

Yeah yeah so So the prosecutor Brought in a witness No you just defended that Because he got out the car That that meant something I mean What kind of mental

Crazy stuff is that You believe the guy Filming the thing Should go to jail For the rest of his life Yeah That's crazy Now that's mental No no okay for the rest of his life. That's crazy. Now that's mental.

No, no. Okay. Let me tell you about that now. That's fascist, bro. Well, no. Let me tell you about that. Go ahead. That was a mistake.

I was in the heated. I was thinking about the two guys, the murder trial, and when he said the filming, that I take back. That was a mistake. So he shouldn't have life in jail. Yeah, the guy that filmed. Yeah, yeah. So I was heated in my argument about something else.

And yeah, I take that back. But that definitely doesn't show white privilege. Respect, bro. Legit. Appreciate that, dude. For real. Yeah. Yo, honestly, you start over here calling me a racist.

So I'm like, you're supposed to have a friendly conversation. Well, let me ask you. How do you think it feels for me having actually i'm not going to pretend like i deal with racism the same as a black dude in this country okay but how do you think it feels when you like you're a white dude and i deal with white progressives as white as they come uh that that see that that to me is like yeah when i go to uh occupy wall street for instance they called me puerto r, they called me Puerto Rican. They called me Mexican. They didn't call me white. Who's they?

The people who are there. Yeah. Somebody, one person here or there. Many of them. Like, bro, I have stories about how there was a group of people. There were like five people having a discussion. And there was a white dude and there was a black woman. And the black woman called me white and the white dude called me Mexican.

Yeah. So I'm not pretending like i have worse discrimination against me than but it is fascinating to me that like you would claim to say you know white people this you know critical race theory and then when i'm like i've experienced racism like no you haven't yeah well no i just said on the the level yeah you're telling me some of the things that you've experienced the racism you've experienced. And it didn't sound too complicated. You know, my parents told me when I was a kid.

What did they tell you? To make sure I lie on all of my job applications because discrimination against Asian people and white people is allowed. Yeah, because they knew that you could get away because you're white. No, no, no. They told me to put Hispanic. Oh, they did? And my mom tried teaching me Spanish. What was that all about?

What was that? Well, because you can't just, you know, in the court of public opinion, you can't discriminate against people for being Latino. Yeah. But you can discriminate against them for being Asian. Oh, okay. Critical race theory. That's hard.

Harvard, for instance. You know, if Asian kids want to get into Ivy League schools, they got to score substantially higher on the tests. Oh, that's hard, hard, hard. Yeah, Asian kids shouldn't be allowed to go to college. I get it, right? But why should they be denied the access to education if they're educated? So

me, from the south side of Chicago, high school dropout should not be allowed to go to college. I didn't say that. But I have a harder time to do it. They should put me through a rigorous test because of my race that makes it harder for me to accomplish my goals. You're not going to convince me that the world of race is against you is you're not going to convince me that you're some um you know that the world of racism is against you you're not going to convince me you know like like you're this deprived uh you know asian student that

everybody's against and they thought you were mexican at one point in your life i i don't i don't buy it i don't think i don't i don't buy it do you understand why i called you racist it's funny listen listen i'm literally telling you this happened to me and you're saying i don't buy it. Do you understand why I called you racist? It's funny. Listen, listen. I'm literally telling you this happened to me, and you're saying, I don't care. I don't believe you. No, it's – Someone, second-generation mixed race says, listen to me. You're a dude. You're white.

There's a black man walking around the streets. It's bad. I agree. Some crackers came and shot him up. But, you know, he was suspected, and the cops – you know, that's a lot worse than me dealing with your struggle. But talking about one story where you're ignoring the court case the evidence i'm not talking about the race of the issue in that story you're talking about every story that you go to like the one of the story i just did where the the cop shot the black dude for picking up his gun and i said it

was wrong okay which one was that so there's a car accident okay black dude walks up to the dash of his car to grab his gun he's legally allowed to have a cop shoots him yeah that's terrible it is terrible it's wrong i'm glad you agree, that's terrible. That is terrible. It was wrong. I'm glad you agree that that's wrong. See, like... But if they made a big public thing out of it, next thing you know, you might be on your podcast talking about, well...

I think the issue is... He was on drugs. We've got two big stories. Do you think it was a big deal? Like Ahmaud Arbery and Chauvin. And when we follow the facts of the case, you don't like that. Oh, no. That's fine.

Okay, so I'll give you an example. In the Derek Chauvin trial, one of the witnesses, the use of force expert for the prosecution said Derek Chauvin was justified in his use of force and would have been justified to use more. Well, he's wrong. That was the prosecutor. It was the easiest case of all time. We saw nine and a half. But it wasn't. That was the prosecutor. It was the easiest case of all time. We saw nine and a half. But it wasn't. That was the prosecutor who said that.

Yeah, and pull up the whole case, and now you can see the person. What about the guy that said, no, he was murdered? Who was that? You know what I'm talking about? Or you don't pay attention to those sides of the story? No, we read the whole trial, bro. Yeah, so who was the guy that went on the stand? The guy went on the stand.

He was, you know, I forgot. The guy who went on on stand and he said, well, did he have drugs in his system? He's like, yes, yes, possibly. No, no, no, no. He said yes. He said yes. The substantial amounts. So who the hell cares? Why even, why does that matter? Well, why, how does that matter? Why does that matter? Because you're wrong. No, for me, you said possibly. Okay. Okay. I don't care about – Why does the fact that he has drugs in his system even matter is what I'm saying. Because you were wrong. I wasn't wrong.

No, no, no. You said – No, we know George Floyd has drugs in his system. Let me clarify because it's irrelevant. No, no, no. No, no, no. I wasn't wrong. The reason I corrected you is because it's important to make sure we have the facts correct.

Okay. George Floyd had, I think, four different drugs. Five. What does it matter? It doesn't. I agree. What does it matter? No, no, no.

Hold on. I agree with you. I brought it up because you said possibly. I'm saying he had a large amount. Did he have drugs? Yes. Did he have a heart problem? Yes.

He said, was he murdered murder? Was he murdered? Yes. And that was on the stand as well. Did you know that guy's name? Did you know that part of the coroner? We covered all of it. Yeah, the coroner. The defense had a family coroner and then the offense, the prosecution had another,

like a state coroner. The coroner literally said, yes, he was murdered. So you bring up the one guy. I covered that substantially. Yeah. So then why don't you bring it up now, though? We do. Yeah, but why didn't you just bring it up now? Why did you bring up the one guy. I covered that substantially. So then why don't you bring it up now, though? We do. Yeah, but why didn't you just bring it up now? Why did you bring up the other side? You asked me why I defended him, and I said, in the court proceedings, which you're referring to

specifically, is there were several instances in which the state's own witnesses were seen by many legal experts, left and right, as beneficial to Chauvin. But I also brought up, I think, maybe like seven times, that the initial coroner's report said knee to the neck homicide. Okay, there you go. So that's case closed. Right, right.

So when we're talking specifically about my experiences and you refusing to accept them. Are you still hurt over that? Yeah, it does hurt. Why are you hurt about that, bro? You're a grown-ass man. You really hurt about that? Because we're talking about society, how we're all whiny babies tears liberal tears and and you're still crying over that so you're

asking me what i don't like about critical race theory right yeah and i tell you like well in my life i've dealt with racism and i don't like it and then you say oh now you're crying about it when a whiny baby like bro you embody exactly what i don't like about critical race theory you dismiss my experience no no now tell me i don Yeah, but I'm not a critical race theorist. If you want a critical race theorist or historian, bring Mark Lamont Hill on here and debate him. Oh, you're a defender of it. Mark Lamont Hill will body you in every aspect of that. I mean, he really would not.

Of course he would. No, he wouldn't. Yeah, debate him right away. Do it tomorrow. You know, we don't really do debates on the show, to be completely honest. Do it, do it, do it. But when they happen, they happen. But I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying. So here's the issue. I'll tell you exactly what I don't like. Don't be hurt. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I love you. We're good. What I don't like is

I don't want to live in that world. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to be a victim. I don't want to live in a world where I have to... Where somebody mistakes you for Mexican once or twice. Tough world. Let me explain it to you because I think you choose

not to understand it. Yeah. Do you have a family? Do you have a family? Mm-hmm. Does your family have a history? Yes. You know your family's history?

Yes. Yeah, I don't. Yeah. Yeah, see, I have nothing to retreat to. I have no community. When people come at me, there's no...

What does it mean? It means in the areas of Chicago that are segregated by race. Mm-hmm. When something goes down, you've got a community. You've got a neighborhood. You've got a church. You've got a family.

I don't have any of that stuff. My mother was an immigrant. And so you have family back and you've got a history to go look into? Yeah, but where did your family come from? They just appeared? Where are they from? Well, I can go back to before the split. Oh, you're still whining about if you go back home to where you're from that they won't accept you.

That's what you're crying about. I don't know. I'm talking about how like there's white neighborhoods, there's Latino neighborhoods, there's black neighborhoods, and I'm not allowed in any of them. The white neighborhood will take you, I promise. Well, actually, the area I grew up in was mixed. Yeah. And when the white supremacists smashed our windows up, I'm pretty sure you're right. Right.

When they went to my house and they smashed my windows, the white people attempted us. Who did that? The white people? Oh, there's the, what do they use? Bricks? No, what do they call you? Asians are in there. Get them.

That's what happened. They didn't know what we were. Exactly. They put pamphlets talking about impure race mixing on our porch. Oh, really? I don't believe that. Because you're racist. No, I don't believe it.

I don't believe it. I don't believe it. All right, let's keep this. The Asian guy lives in the house. This in the house with critical race theory that has nothing to do with critical race experiences are fake to you and when i tell you what happens i don't care you don't care you don't care i don't believe in banning critical race theory that's why you know so there we go but but uh so so what you're going to do you you don't like what i'm saying and you know your viewers aren't going to like what i'm saying and oh what a jerk that guy is so you're going to do, you don't like what I'm saying, and you know your viewers aren't going to like what I'm saying. Oh, what a jerk that guy is.

So you're going to say, this is critical race theory, RA, which I'm not even close. I never wrote a book on it, never taught a class on it. Well, you support it. I'm not trying to act like you're an author. Okay, that's the same shit. Okay, you supported Trump. So if you say something stupid, that's what they do. Oh, see, he said something stupid.

He supports Trump. It has nothing they do. Oh, see, he said something stupid. He supports Trump. It has nothing to do. If you don't like what I believe or what I say just because I support not banning something. I agree with you. You're right. I don't like racism. Neither do I. I don't like it when white people come to me and say my experiences didn't happen.

But, aw, you're still hurt. It's true. It's true. But, no, no, no, no. I agree with that. No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop. I agree. I agree.

Stop crying over that, man. You're a white boy. White boy, man. You're completely right. You don't have your history. You're completely right. You should go to the schools and tell them the same thing. What?

That you're a white boy? No, no, no. Go to the schools and tell all the people who have grievances over their race that they don't. Oh, come on. Tell them to stop crying about it. I agree with you. But listen, you complain about transgenders, transphobias and all this stuff and woke culture, but then you're just as sensitive and hurt as everybody else.

I've never denied that. Oh, okay. See, you accuse me of doing exactly what you're doing. You say that we single out a certain issue. issue you come here and you act like we're this this stereotype image of what you think there these people believe anti-woke or whatever when i actually just said the other day that leah thomas the trans swimmer followed all the rules and i have no sympathy for the women who didn't say anything about it okay okay but you you come here and you act like you know me you tell me my experiences didn't happen yeah but you keep repeating that we're over that already about

your well don't make it all. Don't make it personal. Stick to the facts. What facts do you have to present other than saying I don't believe you? Like do you have any like facts or statistics or documents that you could show that could argue your argument? I haven't lived with Tim. I didn't grow up with Tim. Yeah. So maybe he had this horrible upbringing where everybody treated him terrible. But you're white yourself.

Do you feel that you have privilege or that you hate yourself because of the way you're born? Well, I know the people in the comments will be, oh, he hates himself. Self-hating white, they love to say that. But no, I don't hate myself at all. Do you have any guilt for being white? No, no guilt. But I definitely know that there was privilege involved in my life. So you feel privileged?

Definitely. Definitely there was privilege in my life. Here's what I don't want. And I definitely know there's privilege in your life, your life. Yeah, it's like a familiarity privilege. I don't even think it's a race thing. It's just if you look like the rest of the people in that area, it doesn't matter beyond that almost.

I got discriminated against heavily in South America. It was really weird. What I don't like is people telling me what my experiences are, what my race is, what I deserve, what I don't deserve, all based on what I look like. I don't like any of that stuff. I don't think anybody should go through that. So when I'm growing up and I'm in an area that's very mixed. We had a lot of Polish immigrants.

We had a lot of Latinos. We had some Asians. And I was like, this is cool. We're all friends and we're all different. I was skateboarding and there was this documentary. I think it was a 411 video. I'm not sure. And they talk about how skateboarding is that they said skateboarding represents the true

future of this country because everybody's, no one's racist. Everybody's skates are different race and all that matters is you're a skateboarder. And man, that really meant a lot to me. I was like, this is awesome, dude. We're going to grow up and all of this BS is behind us. Then I had my experience at Occupy Wall Street and I said, man, those people, they're crazy. Then I watched that stuff started expanding

into mainstream culture. I started having people ask me about why I had certain opinions on things. I was told I wasn't allowed to have certain opinions on things because of my race. When I tried explaining myself... Who did that though? When I worked for Fusion, for instance, they told me I wasn't allowed to host, be a host at a forum because I looked too white.

So I actually lost job opportunities over this. But it gave you strength. Look at you. You're doing great. Well, I think I have something to complain about. I think I can point out that there's a problem here. I think a black kid walking through the street, you know, and being looked at as a criminal, murderer, rapist is a lot more to complain about than –

We don't disagree. That definitely has to do with the world. I know. And so my issue is like we can address two different problems, can't we? We can talk about this. True. So here's an issue I have, right? So one of the things I experienced was they were doing the black and brown forum at Fusion.

They hired someone externally to come in to be one of the four hosts. And I went to the president and I asked him, I was like, you guys took all of our top talent, of which I am one of them, but like you excluded me from this and then hired a contractor on the outside. And he said to me, yeah, it's really racist.

And I was like, I'm just curious. I understand black and brown forum is like my experience, second generation, mixed race, valuable in the conversation. And they just said, look, man, you're too white. So like my experience is totally voided just because what I look like. Even though I've dealt with this stuff, my family dealt with this stuff. That's happened. I know a film director in Hollywood and she's a black bisexual woman.

She was a lesbian the whole time I knew her. And, uh, she was working on a series of gay films, producing them. Right. And, uh, she wanted to direct, but, uh, they said, you know, she ended up now she's married. She has, she has children. So, uh, she wanted to direct one and they said, well, you're married with kids, and it has to be a gay person. I don't know the terminologies for whatever. So they didn't let her direct one of the episodes because she was too straight. So I've seen that happen before too with people I know here. I just think –

And excuse my ignorance. I didn't mean to come at you like a boo-hoo guy, but I'm an old-school guy with a tough asshole. So when you were talking to me just now, I seen a little sensitivity in your face and a little hurt and pain, and I wasn't trying to be that guy. It's a good conversation, bro. I thought you was kind of more like my era where we're dicks to people you know yeah yeah you know so we're offensive i was trying to be we come from the rank out jokes on the bus type of era so so and you're like oh my it's all blue you know so so but then i honestly when you were just looking me in my eyes and having a conversation with me i saw like hurt like i didn't know i hurt the kid like i wasn't trying to hurt you like that but i

don't i don't want to i don't want to live in that world. You know what I mean? Like I agree with you. I like offensive jokes. I like South Park. I like George Carlin. And so that's one of the reasons I'm like free speech. People should toughen up.

But one of the issues I have is that the culture of censorship and critical race practice and all this stuff is expanding. And we don't want to be in that world. We don't want to be in a world where someone walks up to you and the first thing they say is, oh, what's your race? Okay, let's make a determination. No, we want to be in a world where they're like, who are you? Who are you as a person? That matters more. Yeah, but on the flip side of that, it's not always that easy because that's not how it happens all the time. And there was opportunities for white folks forever. So we go back to that. So sometimes you give a black man or a black woman an opportunity that they never was able to get before you got that directing job you got that acting because

i see people crying over that all the time oh so-and-so was in a movie because they're black and oh so-and-so got to direct because they're black and it's like okay yeah i especially don't care about that oh cool cool yeah so so you know in certain instances to um because you know somebody's just highly uh qualified and then the cruel white kids get it and oh we're all the cool we went to film school together all the white kids and they get the job now now open some doors for some other people it shouldn't be race though it should be class that's kind of what it is well rich kids okay well in new y City, one of the board of education directors said that if there's

resources in the school, it should be given to a rich black kid compared to a poor white kid. Who said that? One of the New York City counselors on the board of education. One of the person who calls the shots in all of the New York City public schools argued resources, we have to give it to

black kids no matter how rich or poor they are. Even if they're super rich and if there's a super poor white kid, we have to make sure that the resources go to the super rich black person. Do you agree with those kind of policies that are implemented in New York City that do have real life effect where, again... I don't know how often that is. I don't know how real that is. That's the New York City school board.

We could look up New York City school board. I don't know if that's sensationalized. But say it is. But say it is. But say it is. Do you agree with that or disagree with that? Well, give the shot to a rich black man and not a poor white guy. In New York City public school using the resources that taxpayers funded.

Yeah. You know, I would rather have a kid that went through a struggle. Who went through a struggle. So the poor white kid would get services over the rich black kid? Well, it all depends. It all depends,

the whole situation. I don't know, I can't put that into perspective because I don't know what the law is. I don't know what you're talking about. That I'm ignorant of. Well, let me give you

a hard example. In Harvard, for example. Because if that's one case, it's not one case, it's New York City Public. What really happened is all these rich black guys getting jobs. There's a number of poor white kids. I don't know how real that is.

Let's talk about institutional racism. Harvard, for instance, requires... I could be wrong on the specific numbers. Look it up. Asians have to score a 1,300 if they want to qualify, whereas white people have to score 1,000. Latinos and black people have to score lower on SATs to qualify. So for somebody who's Asian, you have to actually be in a higher percentile and work harder if you

want to qualify to get in the university. But is it work harder? Because you got to score higher. Yeah. But I don't know if that means work harder because Asian people are just naturally. Well, no. Well, here's the thing is, no, not smart. But when if a class of people have been suppressed and kept down for hundreds of years and they have a lower education system, lower class education system, less money being pumped into them, worse teachers, so they're not being taught on the same level. Do you think race is that line? Yeah. And, you know, so they're being taught, they're not being taught on the same level. So. You think race is that line? Yeah. Poverty. Like Asian people were in internment camps during World War II.

No, but I'm talking, are you talking about, is there poverty in the Asian community in America? No. There is. Where? Where? Where's the high level? Asian is one of the highest poverty in America? Sure, but there's poor Asians.

No, there's poor Asians, but compared to blacks, no. So that's what we're talking about. So why are Asians. No, there's poor Asians, but compared to blacks, no. So that's what we're talking about. So why are you telling poor Asian people they have to... No, because we're talking about on a mass scale of poverty. If they're doing it by poverty... I agree.

Why don't we just do it by poverty then? Well, because black people have been held back for decades and decades. So if naturally they are more likely to be poor, they'll be benefited by poverty. So what I'm saying is... By poverty. So what I'm saying is you're saying, oh, so they just got to work harder because that's the other thing.

Oh, just work harder, kids. Yeah, but if you go to a beautiful school. No, but okay, but people say that. Okay, so you didn't say it, but people do say it. Just work. No, you did say it though. What I was saying was

if you have to score higher on the SATs, you have to work harder to score better. But that's not true because somebody might have to work harder to get the 800 or the 700 or the 900 than the person in a better school, better situation, better lifestyle. Especially with poverty. If you don't have food, your brain can't develop. I get it. Yes.

Let me ask you a very specific question. There's an Asian child. He's an Asian guy. He's about to turn 18. His family is in deep poverty. They make 20,000 a year. His dad works 80 hours a week. I don't think it's right for him.

Yeah. I don't think he should have to get – yeah, I understand what you're saying. So my position is the manifestation of critical race theory ideology is things like this. And I think it would be better if we just – But that's not what they're teaching. Well, it's praxis, right? So they're saying things like if white people are the oppressors, they're now saying that Asians are white adjacent to no longer qualify as being an oppressed class. Who's saying it?

This is part of. Well, it's. Who's day, though? You know, who's day? You know, like, honestly, like general general race theory studies and publications and books and articles and speakers, who's saying that? So I can't ascribe, paraphrase to a particular author, but it's like a common occurrence you'll see at many of these lectures. I don't know about that. But listen, would you agree that it would be better if the threshold for access and opportunity was based on poverty and not race?

No, not fully. So I know that's a contradiction because of the Asian kid that's poor and this and that. I think there should be exceptions. I think there should be exceptions, like certain people who are in the struggle. Okay, boom, boom, boom. But a group of – Yeah, but then you end up with Will Smith's kids getting a leg up. Yeah, you're naming the richest kids in the country. Well, I know. It's an outlier example, but if we do policy based on race, then you're basically saying that there will come a circumstance where rich people get free stuff.

But the thing is systemic racism is real, which you guys aren't – I agree with. Okay. So if there was a system that was – We should explain that too. I want to explain that real quick for a lot of people. Okay, cool. And the children being imprisoned, the parents being imprisoned at a higher level, kids going with no fathers because of the prison systems that were racist and systematic. So real quick, real quick, just for people who are listening who may not be familiar with systemic racism. A lot of people you'll hear in like the cultural debate that it's the idea that people are just – these systems are inherently racist. Like someone there has decided to be racist against someone. But that's not the case.

What it means is we used to have blockbusting. You know what blockbusting is? Yeah, and you're talking about the red – Redlining and blockbusting. Yeah, of course, of course. So blockbusting is when racist individuals would buy a house in a white neighborhood, move in a black family, and then tell all the white people their property value would drop because of it, cause them to panic sell at a lower rate, buy everything

up, then kick out the black family and sell it all back at a profit. Insane racist practice. Redlining was where they would literally draw out areas where they wouldn't be like, okay, that's where all of the people of this race is going to have to go, namely black people. Those policies were made illegal, but the remnants of that still exist in that these communities were built on racist policies, that blockbusting had serious ramifications for the generational wealth of black families and other minority families. And you end up today with the real estate market being inherently or I should say subsequently racist in that we just had a story where a black family got their home appraised. Then they had a white person come in claiming it was theirs and it was appraised at a higher

value. So people might not want to admit this, but you go to real estate agents and they'll tell you this stuff. The housing market is racist. And look at the prison system. Well, I just want to ask you, what do you respond to when someone says you're whitesplaining and that you think that black people need a leg up? That kind of idea is racist in itself because you think that they can't compete in normal markets,

they can't compete in normal life, normal society, and that you need them. Because some people are saying you're making that argument that you're whitesplaining, and you're treating them like you're better than them, and they need help. That's not true. That's what some people are arguing.

That's not true. Those people are ignorant. But you're saying they need extra help. But they need more opportunities and they need extra help. That's what you're saying. Well, you're saying when the government and the state has imprisoned their fathers and their parents so you're saying you're better than them I'm not saying I'm better than them at all

that's white supremacy bullshit that's a white supremacy tactic but don't you see the arguments that you're making are rooted in those principles that you think that they need help? They've been giving. And then other black people are saying, why are you saying this to me?

Who are these black people? Candace Owens. Exactly. The white face. No, but there's some people who don't want to be talked down to. There's some people who don't want to be like, hey, why do you think I need help? Why do you think she talks terrible about black? But there is a portion.

And then the white people get to go. Oh, she can't. I said it. I didn't say it. I didn't say it. She said it. So I did. I did. I there is a portion. And then the white people get to go, oh, see, Candace said it. I didn't say it. I didn't say it. She said it. I don't know. It sounds like Candace

listened to what she said. Oh, I did. I did. I heard the whole black, the whole Floyd, when she's calling him a criminal, a terrible human being,

all this stuff. Like, so what she does is when she says terrible things about black people, all the white people come on and go,

look, I'm not going to quote Candace's whole catalog, but I've seen enough about i've seen not all remember you you said something like you said you said do you think all and then luke was like all and then you were like no i want to make sure it's clear they don't do semantics though if you're saying candace owens says bad things about black people in general it's very different from her saying about specific people yeah specific black people and when she says things bad about these black people they she lebron i don't even know if she said anything about lebron but i'm probably did from her saying about specific people. Yeah, specific black people. And when she says things bad about these black people,

LeBron, I don't even know if she said anything about LeBron, but I'm positive she did. Exactly, because he's a black man. Not because he's a black man. Of course. Well, how did I know that she said something about him then? About LeBron? Because LeBron's outspoken politically.

Yeah, and he's a black man. I mean, Candace Owens has bad things about white people too. Colin Kaepernick, I'm sure she said terrible things about him. Probably, yeah. But a lot of black people, white people, Latinos have said the same thing. Who?

Who are these people? You want me to just name conservatives who have criticized? Yeah, so what they do is they wait for this black woman to say horrible things about black people and then the white people all post, oh, look, she's right.

Why are you criticizing this black woman though? I'm going to tell you. And then they say, look, I'm not racist because this black woman said it and I didn't say it. So she's the face of white racist people in a lot of times. Confirmation bias. So you only say bad things about white people, so I feel the same way about you. There's a lot of black rappers I talk terrible about. All right, yeah.

Obama. I hated Obama's guts. He was halfway, so that's probably why you hated him. Anyway, what do you think about people calling you a white savior? What do you think about people calling you a white savior right now, saying that you... Who's it? It's nerds on the computer. No, but you're making those kind of arguments.

You're making those kind of arguments. Nerds on the computer? I don't care. No, no, no, no, but the arguments have merit, in my opinion. Well, yeah. So you think I'm being the white savior. Yeah, okay, okay. Well, you're making some talking points.

I thought you made an interesting point about the history of the black community. And you said maybe that they need a leg up or that you were insinuating they need a leg up. Because I think over generations, if they're not getting enough nutrition because of poverty, the brain's not developing fast enough. You may see an evolution towards – So you think you're better than them because of your wife. Nobody thinks it's better. That argument is ignorant and wrong.

Maybe like a child needs – Nobody's sitting in it better. I got to tell you. I just – something doesn't sit right with me with like this room full of – we'll just say everyone here is particularly white talking about what the black community should do. I just don't think it's a race thing. It's a poverty thing for me. Because we should have someone who's actually a member of that community. You should invite one up.

We do, yeah. A lot of people. But people are allowed to speak on topics. I think that the race is like a mask. I'm just pointing out like, you know, we're like talking about these different things. I don't care. We're allowed to have a conversation about it. Immortal technique, I think, would be interesting to join in on this conversation as well.

Oh, yeah. He goes deep into it. He's a lot. No, no. But we need to debate these ideas. We need to talk about these ideas. And we need to talk about them in a real life. Let me tell you something.

Did you know Luke's a person of color? I don't know. I am. A Polish kid? There's a couple of organizations. One we cite often is the Coalition for Communities of Color that says Slavic people are people of color. Oh, Slavics and Polish. I heard something like that.

Well, if you want to talk about people who are oppressed, people who are punished throughout. Oh, Slavics and Polish. I heard something like that. Well, if you want to talk about people who were oppressed, people who were punished throughout history, you look at the Polish people. We were subjugated. We were enslaved. We had our country taken over. We had our country obliterated.

Do you see me saying, hey, it's all the evil Russians and Germans out there for all my problems? No, I don't blame anybody else for my problems. You're a white guy in America now. You're a white guy in America. I immigrated, yes, to a heavily black area in Brooklyn, New York, and I had my own experiences where I faced whatever, and it doesn't matter what I faced because I don't even care about that.

What matters at the end of the day is you saying, hey, historically, bad things happened to you, so we need to blame all white people and give you more opportunities. When did I say that? Because you just said, one of the arguments you were saying, you're like, let these white guys step aside and we should give it

to more people of color not based on their merit. Exactly, but that's what you're saying. I didn't say not based on merit. Are you talking about the filmmaker? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

the film stuff. No, no, if they're equally, equal opportunity, they're both equally good and you say, hey, this guy's a black director, he's sharp,

he's doing his thing. Yeah. Over a white guy, but they have the same credentials. So why can't I step in there and be say, hey, this guy's a black director. He's sharp. He's doing his thing. Yeah. Over a white guy, but they have the same credentials. Yeah. So why can't I step in there and be like, my culture, my history went through more oppression. No, you didn't go through more than blacks in America. Nazis? You know, not blacks in America.

No, no, no. I'm talking about in America. We're talking about in America. If you want to get reparations in Germany or Poland, then talk about it. I don't even want all that. I'm talking about in america the business if you want to get reparations in in germany or poland then i don't i don't even want to but i'm talking about in america i'm not talking about yeah but i'm not talking about the polish head less of a sure sure but let me let me ask about in america and in hollywood so if you got two guys with the exact same credentials exact same you know college they went to the same school they were two guys let's let's say they're equally good at the craft they're

equally good at everything. Yeah. Both of them are middle-class families, educated, same GPAs, identical in every way. And 99% of the studio is white, and 85% of the directors are white. And you say, let me take the black director. Yes, I agree. That's cool. So why would you say that the history of Luke's people versus the history of- That was, you know, I'm not the most articulate.

I just, you know, sometimes like that. So, yeah, I wasn't saying, what I meant by that was your history in America and Hollywood and this world. You know, you come to America, you're not, you know, you're a white guy in America. It's different than a black man coming up under certain situations. So there's a quote, and it's that the only solution to past discrimination is present discrimination, and the only solution to present discrimination is

future discrimination. Do you agree with that? Well, I don't know. I don't know the context where you're going to put it into. What are you going to turn it into? Like, don't discriminate against white people or something? You said that based on two people identical, you should choose the black person

over the white person. That's discrimination. But don't you see that as patronizing? Come on, come on. Okay, okay. No, it's not discrimination because 85% of the rest of the directors were white. So you say, let's give an opportunity

to someone that usually never got that opportunity. I don't think that's a bad thing. That's patronizing. No, no, come on. I think there's a really simple way to view the separation here is that you're more collectivist than we are. You know what I mean? It's funny the way you phrase that because you said we. I know.

It's funny. So in this room, my view is the individual is the smallest minority. There's two individuals, and it's hard to determine who is deserving of this but I don't think race should be a factor but you said because there's other people who are white we shouldn't this one individual

should not get the opportunity you see what I mean oh yeah I do so yeah so it's a collectivist versus individualist position you said if they're equally school equally qualified

equal to this and you have 85% directors white and you go these guys their resumes so yeah give it to, let's see what a black man has to say or a black woman has to say.

There's definitely a value to mixing cultures, but not at the detriment of quality. Well, look, I don't- Oh, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. If somebody's super overqualified and is a ridiculously great filmmaker, and then you got some kid out of film school who's not really that good but you want to give him an opportunity. I don't agree with that.

What if there's a Native American? Where do you rate people on this scale? Sure. Is that 85% white, white, white director? Do you see how crazy these debates get? We're way late for Super Chats. And that is a good thing. But I will also say,

you've already called it out, the Super Chats are very not friendly to you. Oh, I cursed like five times. That's fine. A beautiful show. But we'll rate some of the Super Chats. We've actually gotten so many that started erasing the Super Chats. You guys rock.

This is what happens. But I appreciate everybody Super Chatting. I'm not going to be able to get to every single person. But I will rate some of these, and I just want to let you know, they're critical. Oh, yeah. I don't care. What I thought from your fan base, man. Don't take it personally. That's something I thought from your fan base man don't take it

personally that's something i've learned have you learned don't take it personally over the years i say the worst ones i love them let's read let's read some here we got uh daniel maxwell uh don't forget to smash the like button crush and if you just just get ready for the the member segment which we will do it'll be a lot of fun get my gummy bears and get your gummy bears daniel maxwell ra needs to listen to the rhetoric related to CRT, then go read the rhetoric of the KKK and the Nazis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would find the words are different, but the meaning of the rhetoric is the same.

That guy's an idiot. It's Nazi rhetoric. He's a fear-mongering idiot. You scared the shit out of him. Don't be so scared. Don't be afraid of black people. It's Nazi. Come on, come on, come on.

Come on. That's not fair. No, it's totally fair. But it's unfair to say He's scared of black people Because he criticized If you No

Not about me He criticized you No he criticized Critical race theory I don't care about He criticizing me And he didn't criticize me He's criticizing an idea

He criticized critical race theory And said Not black people He said it was equal To the Ku Klux Klan And come on You know The guy's an idiot

He didn't say it was equal He said some of the words Are different Yeah he's an idiot The guy didn't say it was equal. He said some of the words are different. Yeah, he's an idiot. The guy's an idiot. He said he will find the words are different, but the meaning of the rhetoric is the same. He's scared of black folks. See, that's the problem. It's true.

It's true. You have no evidence to show that. Of course, if you're going to compare critical race theory. But is he scared of Candace Owens? I'm not scared. If I had to debate him for a second. No, no, no. So you think he's scared of Candace Owens or Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell?

Oh, I got you. Because conservative that would agree with you uh that would be so so candace would be on here like but he's not scared of her yeah because he likes that but that's ideas it is though it is because you can have bad ideas and be a certain color it doesn't matter candace could say let's shoot down critical race theory let's get it out of schools. Ron DeSantis, yeah. And she could be black. What does that have to do with anything? So, you know, a bunch of white people that are scared of black people agree with Candace. What does that have to do with anything?

What does that have to do with anything? They're not scared of black people. Yes, they are. Some of these people voted for Barack Obama. What? Nine million of these people voted for Barack Obama. Oh, there we go to that. Oh, they voted for Barack Obama. But then when they see the black guy in the street, they're locking their car doors. The 9 million people, I'm not talking about the other 60 million that only voted Republican.

I'm saying the people mostly who follow us. You just pulled out the Obama card. It's not a racist society because we voted for Obama. We got more supercats that make all the arguments. You didn't just pull that card out. Because the people we're talking about. So most trump supporters don't like me most what most of trump supporters like i'm persona non grata a lot of them like you know they like the show they call me names or whatever most of the people watch the show are like moderate you know

they're they're not i don't believe that but i don't believe that but i think it's because i think they claim they're moderate and they're right-wingers, a lot of them. Well, they lean right for sure, a lot of them. More than lean right, yeah. No, that's not true, Brian. I don't agree. So we actually did a poll. It's libertarian. Yeah, well, that's a new thing that they do.

You know, the Rubens and stuff. They go, we're libertarian. Which is down. So you can still have left and right. But you have up and down. Libertarian's down. I'm center left, libertarian. Luke's center right, libertarian.

Yeah. So, like, I'm for universal health care, universal basic health care of some sort. I just don't trust the current authoritarian system we have in place to do it right. I think progressive taxes make sense in our current system, but I agree with Luke. Most of the taxes don't make a lot of sense. I lean left on a lot of issues, especially with health care and stuff. Luke leans more right on a lot of these issues. But the core issue that drives everybody is freedom.

Are you advancing the cause of individual rights everybody is freedom are you are you advancing the cause of individual rights and liberties that's why i brought the collective thing earlier i think what where we're really at odds is that you think like your your view is if you have too much if you have if you have a large group of white people in this you know workspace then the person the two individuals who are you know faced with you know one opportunity a black man opportunity a black woman opportunity yeah so i don Give a Latino an opportunity. I don't have nothing wrong with that. As individualists, I would not consider the race of other people

in the hiring decision of one person. Well, that's why it would be a whole white staff going, you know. I don't think so. I think, you know, I do lean left on a lot of these social issues, so I would agree with you. One of the issues is that disproportionately minorities have – particularly the black community. And then I think the Latino community have been negatively impacted by racism. But it seems like the solution to these problems is class-based, not race-based.

But let me – I don't want to cut you off like that, but I do want to read some more Super Chats because I don't want to go too late. Give me an insult. That was an insult. That was a guy insulting critical race theory. Let me do one. Just throw a wrench into everything. The Plague Doctor says, Mr. Crossland, I sent you an ancient Mayan artifact to go with your coins. Post office about to return it to me since no one has picked it up.

Get it soon if you want it. Who's not getting the mail? Red alert. I've been looking at those coins every day. They sit right in front of me on my computer desk. D says, why does this guy assume other people's lives but won't let other people assume his? I just, what? I don't even understand.

They can assume my life. Go ahead. My whole life has been assumed. Assume me. Ask her what she assumes. No, that was it, I guess. Give me an insult, man. All right.

Canadian Egg says, this has been fascinating to listen to. R.A. epitomizes racism. A white savior here to save and judge the lowly minorities because he is so mighty with his white intellect. That wasn't even bad. That was easy. That's what, you know what? Remember when I was saying bad things to you before and you looked hurt at me and I felt bad? I was like, damn, I didn't mean to hurt you.

Because you seem like. Actually, a lot of people were like, that was cool of you, man. Yeah, because you seem like a sweetheart and you treated me like a sweetheart the second we got in here. Nothing but respect. And then I'm like, you, I didn't mean to hurt you. Because you seem like... Actually, a lot of people were like, that was cool of you, man. Yeah, because you seem like a sweetheart. And you treated me like a sweetheart the second we got in here. Nothing but respect. And then I'm like, you're a racist cracker. So, you know, but what I was saying, like, those are the worst insults you guys got. See, so I'm from a different era.

Well, I'm not going to read the one. So I'm sorry, you know. All right, here you go. Eric Elman says, quote, were you hurt? Then, quote, there is no discrimination. What a joke. That's – come on. We need to –

That's actually an interesting point though. Okay, talk about it because I didn't think it was interesting. Tell me. For you to say to me you don't believe my experiences and then tell me that I don't experience racism is like paradoxical because it proves it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. I know. Now we're going to go back in.

I was going to go, oh, you're hurt still. But I want to be a nice guy. Here's what I get. So I was having a good time. And also you. Lydia. Lydia. She's awesome.

Pilot. She was awesome. She's a great. Everybody treated me so sweet up here. And then I come up here. Belligerent and crazy witches and talking like a maniac. But those are my feelings here. But, yeah, I was a bit of an asshole to you. I'm not worried about it. and uh but we got nothing but those are my feelings here you know so but yeah you know i

was a bit of an asshole to you uh i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not worried about it all right i think it was like i said it was a different era where i come from i we talk ish to each other so i had a conversation with david packman a few years ago and you know he tried playing this game where he was like you criticize identity politics but you use identity politics. You do, though. But I don't criticize- I don't know who he is, but he's right. Identity politics. I criticize the authoritarian application of and praxis, critical race praxis specifically and critical gender praxis.

I actually, I've already stated, we agree on institutional racism and all that stuff. And I think civil rights movement, identity politics, I think that's great. But what we're seeing a lot of now is the authoritarian application of or or even outside of that the collectivist application of like this race should be in this space versus this race in this space i think is wrong so i can i can i can use identity politics in the sense where it's like i've experienced this my family has experienced this i i i if you're going to come to me as a white person and tell me here's how we should handle this racism here what's going on and on, and then I say, well, actually, I've experienced it, and then I get told by that white person, your experience doesn't count. Yeah, I would disagree with this again, man.

I disagree with this again, man. It's going to be a repeat of the same conversation. My point is you have no principled position. If you're a white person explaining what we should be doing about racism and then when someone's like i experienced racism you go no you didn't yeah well yeah because you know but you're wrong i know that's what you're gonna think but you know it's what i know you know what i mean like the race isn't that you explained was ridiculously nothing it was like someone thought i was a white supremacist smashing up my window you said they didn't know what you were and it had nothing to do with your race.

No, I didn't. You did. You said they didn't know I was an Asian family. They didn't know we were Asian. They just saw a mixed race family. Little brown kids. And then they, what year was this? 1993.

So is it on the internet? Did somebody? There's no internet back then. Okay. Is there a newspaper article that this happened? I don't believe it. See, that's the problem. Yeah. I don't believe it.

So you can't come to me and tell me how I'm supposed to be dealing with racism, but you don't accept that it could even be real. Yeah. Well, you don't believe it. You don't even believe it's real. They saw an Asian family.

I tried explaining to you, but you don't care. So they thought you was an Asian guy. They didn't know our race. We need a debate after the show. No hold barred. No hold barred debate. Let's go over the supercast.

We're going very long. We're going right. We're going very long we're going right we're going to debate this we came to you oh we're going to debate we're going to debate this afterwards so we're going to have you could curse you can say whatever you want and they ripped off the address from our house they put pamphlets about race mixing being bad on our porch they smashed our windows up on more than one occasion they broke the windows yeah the window the windows on our vehicle our vehicle got a brick thrown through it. And then they ripped off the edges from our house. My mom told me, don't worry,

once they see that we act like other white people, they'll leave us alone. Jeez. So when people are saying, like when people put pamphlets out that claim race mixing is bad. Show me the article.

Show me something. But why would there be an article, dude? Yeah, back then, in the 93s, a hate crime like that. Oh, you didn't report it? We didn't report it.

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, blame the victims. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So? We didn't report it. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, blame the victims. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So see, here's the issue. Dude, I think we live in a way better time now. How am I supposed to solve the problems of racism when people like you won't even believe it happened? We're going to debate this in a no-hold-barred debate afterwards. Isn't it kind of crazy for me to be like, I was attacked by a white supremacist, and you're like, no, you weren't?

No, I didn't say you weren't. I just said I'd like a little back, you know what's the guy here they call talcum x2 talcum x yeah yeah ibram x kennedy no no no no no sean king oh sean king yeah like he's the same thing when he claims stuff i want a little bit hey show me that really happened to you show me that really happened it's just yeah i was looking up what school said that asian people are white adjacent i still haven't been able to figure yeah like what you know and you said that they saw showed up at your house, or were they doing the whole block, or they really saw that you were? We don't know. Yeah.

I don't know what you expected us to do in that circumstance. You know what I mean? We come out one day, we see broken glass, we sweep it up, and we try to move on with our lives. We try not to cause a problem that gets us targeted more. We come out and start complaining about it, bringing the cops around, and all of a sudden we're targets again. All of a sudden they're like, don't screw with us. So we just say, keep your head down and try and make it go away. And that was me as a little kid. I'm a very

different person these days. Today, I'd go much more nuclear than that. I'd figure out who these people were. I'd hire people. We had a problem recently. I called up some security guys. I was like, I want ghillie suits laying out in the fields three in the morning to find out who's screwing with us and you know look it's hard man but there's a certain there's a certain issue where it's like you wake up you see the

broken windows you clean it up and you try to move on with your life yeah but this is 93 dude i was i think i was like this might have not even been 93 i think might have been 91 or something you heard that story when you first met him or can you can you verify that story when you first met him did he tell you that story why would i did this come up when we first met him? Can you verify that story when you first met him? Did he tell you that story? Did this come up later? When we first met, we had a mutual interest in talking about government. Did he tell you about white supremacists coming to your house? You never heard that story, I'm sure.

I did. When you first met him. I've told this story on the show several times. On the show, like years later, right? That's not his identity, right? So we had conversations. We know each other for 10 years, and he did share stories like that hollywood i know i know the whole storytelling thing and you know sensationalism that sounds like it sounds like some uh morton downey jr jesse smollett stuff right there you

know i've never known this way i'll put it this way i'll put it this way i was very little yeah and when the the damage could you get your mom on the phone right now? Probably. She's awesome. Say, hey, mom, what happened? But I can tell you this. This is what I'm told by my parents. This is what I'm told by my mom as a little kid as to why the vandalism happened. So, okay, I'll tell you this.

I trust my mom. I think I was like maybe four or five years old. So she said it was white supremacy? She said they put anti-race mixing stuff on our porch and then vandalized the property. What's anti-race mixing? Like they were propaganda saying like it was wrong that we were mixed race and stuff like that and that they shouldn't be there and whatever. If that happened to you.

We had a tan van and they threw a brick through the back of the truck. That's what this is. That happened to you. I'm sorry it happened to you. But I'll stress, I was a very little kid. I really feel like Jussie Smollett here, man. You could be mad at me, but that don't sound. Nobody came to my house and screamed.

Nothing wrong for asking for proof. That's for sure. It's not a little bit Hollywood. That story like to get it. So it kind of take away from the black struggle by you having this. What am I taking away from the black struggle? That's not that. That just is telling my story.

I don't believe it. I don't believe it. I kind of think it's a Hollywood story. And look, let's read more Super Chat so we can get into the member segment. I don't want to bypass too much of the Super Chat. Comic Nut says, Tim, this is why I know you're a good person. Because you have the patience of a saint. Because Mr. Rugged Man here, a.k.a. Suburbs Kid, is clearly out of his depth.

I guarantee he's been in a fight. He guarantees what Kid, yeah. I guarantee he's been in a fight. He guarantees what? He says, I guarantee he's been in a fight. Been in a fight? What does that mean? I don't know. That's the insults? No, that might be a compliment.

Your crew got like the worst insults of all time. They're pretty nice. All right, here's one. Here's one. They're really smart. Rebecca Carney says, I'm half Korean and I've experienced more discrimination in Korea than America. Then I learned colleges discriminate me because I'm Asian.

Okay, there you go. Shout out. What's her name? Rebecca Carney. Rebecca Carney. Much love. I apologize for some of my belligerence and ignorance sometimes. I, you know, I'm obnoxious.

I'm an a-hole. I can't say that on the thing. But much love, Rebecca. Hope you get past that. All right. Noor Alahi says, thing, but much love, Rebecca. Hope you get past that. All right. Noor Alahi says, hey, I was born in Pakistan. As an American citizen to a Pakistani American dad and a white mother, do I get to be a minority? I need this white guy to let me know.

That was a good one. What did you say? That's fair. Noor Alahi. Noor Alahi. Yo, that was the first good jab of the night. Give him his props all right gary vision says this rapper needs to understand that one he's white and two he's from long island yeah long island the greatest rappers of all time rakim public enemy de la soul epmd uh uh the bomb

squad bust the rhymes uh prodigy mob d parade a rugged man keith murray like craig mac prince paul so yeah i am from long island and very proud of that and yes i know i'm white you genius Prodigy Mob D Parade of Rugged Man Keith Murray like Craig Mack Prince Paul so yeah I am from Long Island and very proud of that and yes I know I'm white you genius oh I am

oh you told me something Richard Pryor what was that Hear No Evil See No Evil Richard Pryor and Gene Gene Wilder what a jerk

I'm not white did you see the jerk no that's a jerk remember Steve Martin like ah here's one that's a little dry, but probably fairly mean. Yeah. ZOMG, this is awesome, says, second worst guest ever for sure.

Yeah, good. I'm glad. I actually completely disagree. I think you're one of our best guests. Oh, there you go. Yeah. I mean, people need to understand this, too. Like, disagreeing is actually one of the best things we could possibly have on this show.

I get it. Because, like you mentioned, there's a lot of stuff we'll probably cover from a certain point of view. And for one, if people don't agree with you at least they know what you think right i could find a bunch of people to disagree with you if you want me to it's hard to get them to no i'll be completely honest that we you know you know what's funny i actually just texted another like really high profile lefty dude and they're just like we won't go on your show bro you know what's what's funny, though? A lot of your stances, I actually, we talked about all this stuff that like I kind of, you know, I'm more of a pro-black guy, you know. But, you know, when you did the, what was it, the Facebook?

Whenever you talk about censorship online and stuff, I'm like, oh, that guy knows his stuff. And there's a lot of stuff I do agree with you on, but there's a lot of stuff I disagree with. So, you know, so we talked about all of that stuff. That's great, yeah. I do agree with you on but there's a lot of stuff I disagree with so you know so we talked about all of that stuff so there are it's great yeah I'll tell you this too I would not be surprised

and I would actually say I expect oh Assange I'm sure you're pro Assange right 100% pro Assange there we go yeah absolutely

anti-death penalty there's a few others 100% anti-death penalty I'm kind of mixed middle of the road on death penalty we were talking about that yesterday a little bit

let's read a little bit more of these we'll do a member segment where we just scream the whole time alright let's see what we got more of these. We'll do a member segment where we just scream the whole time. All right, let's see what we got here. Loki Toom says,

there's a difference between teaching critical race theory and teaching about critical race theory. Does this gentleman agree? Yeah, yeah. Because I think we agree

teaching about it is a good thing. Oh, there you go. There you go. Yeah, the praxis of it. Yeah, but the thing is when you were celebrating the banning of it, that's where my issue was. But they're banning the praxis.

Yeah, okay. Or at least that's what we're celebrating. I'd like to see it as a philosophy class, especially in colleges, to learn about communism, learn about critical race. I'll give you an example of praxis, right? I think learning about evil white history isn't a bad thing. I wish I'd learned more about it in middle school. I think we need to make sure we're not only hyper-focusing on evil stuff. We can talk about good white history.

We can talk about good and bad Asian history. We can talk about good and bad Native American history. That's a bear subjugation and enslavement. Did you know Native Americans also held slaves in the United States? Yeah, we know. Irish people were slaves too. Anything to take away from the black experience. I got you.

I got you. All right, here we go. That's a favorite thing. We'll do a little bit more. Here's one that's really simple because we're big fans of Michael. Bola Co Burrito says, I wish Michael Malice

was in this room. Oh my gosh. That'd be cool. Yeah, that'd be so fun. He's great. He's an anarchist. I think we'd have a fun conversation.

No, I think my boy Eamon told me about him. I heard that he's really good, right? He believes kind of what I believe about anarchy. Probably. But he probably disagreed with you on the CRT stuff. Yeah, well I don't know about that. I don't know who he is but my man said

because I'm always speaking some anarchy stuff and my boy was like, I think he brought up malice. He said you need to listen to this guy. Agreed. Let's see. Viking Vet says this fool literally said he's privileged because he's white. That's a white supremacist position. He's a white supremacist by his own words.

Well, I asked you if you had privilege. That's really ridiculously stupid. I didn't say my body works better, my brain is smarter. None of that. That's not what you said. I said in this society, you know, I was given certain privilege that certain black folks wasn't. That's what I would say. It has nothing to do with white supremacy.

This guy is an idiot. So there's two different definitions of white. Well, I'm going to say it because we're over and out. We know what white supremacy really is. Supreme means that you're better than all others, whereas having a privilege just means Critical race theory, white supremacy is a reference to a dominant culture, not a belief in genetic superiority. Yeah, okay. Whereas like –

This is so confusing. This is crazy. The other version, the colloquial version is like genetic superiority. So there's like – all right, let's – we'll read a little bit more. Some of these are just not substantive and they're kind of derogatory. Give me a derogatory one. Yeah, but I want to have a conversation. Justin Casillas says,

Tim is giving you charity by having you on. Nobody has heard of you. Have some class. I think he's talking to me. Nobody heard of me. I've been in the game for three decades and every rapper that you suck the ink of is a fan of me. I'm highly recognized by every great MC you could name

and influenced most of a ton of great MCs. And respect. Respect is due. You got good music, bro. And people should look him up. I mean, there's no joke. What's the one we just listened to before the show went on? That's the thing.

When somebody's ignorant, they love to do, oh, no one ever heard it because you're ignorant. That doesn't mean, you know. Yes. I say the same to you. The guy sitting at the table right here, his name, he's never heard of Rakim. Does that mean that nobody knows Rakim? No, that's not what it means. I just put this last night.

Do not let your perception be your prison cell. It is. All right. Morgan Babcock says, as someone who is white, my mother worked two to three jobs to bring me up. Oh, yeah. To say that white people have it better off

is pathetic in every sense of what he's saying. That's more to discredit the black experience. I can do that too. I could say, yes, my dad was in mental hospitals. My dad was poor. My dad was insane. He was crazy. He had weapons.

I could say, oh, my family's on heroin. Oh, my brother died. My sister died. My nephew died. My brother was born, couldn't walk or talk. My sister was born. She had no eyes. She was blind.

I could tell you about my whole struggle of life but that doesn't take away from the black experience as a whole collective. You know, so that's an ignorant statement. Yeah, your mom worked two jobs. My mother worked at the diner, my dad was in and out of mental hospital. Let me just ask you to do a favor though. Yeah.

Approach those comments with compassion. No. Why not? No, because she's...'s hurting because she's no i don't care how are you going to convince i'll tell you why i'll tell you why because her thing is like my mom had two jobs and i'm white that's the takeaway from the black experience that's why she's saying well how about you say this i'm really sorry i had to go through those things it's not me that's That's not my personality. But don't you think that being mean to someone like that just hurts your cause? Nah. I'm not a podcaster. I'm R.A. the Rugged Man.

If you wanted me on a show, I'm here not to help this girl's cause because her mom had two jobs. Not her cause. But if you're fighting for your cause, isn't empathy the way to go about it? I'm not fighting. I'm talking. But if you believe in it and if you want to promote it and if you really truly do want the word to go out there. I don't have to sugarcoat and be politically the right way to somebody. I just talk.

I'm here to talk. As you already know, as me being your guest, I'm belligerent often. I'm over the top. I'm obnoxious. Sometimes I just, like with the camera, go, yeah, put him in jail. Sometimes I just talk the talk and then I go, yeah, put him in jail. You know, like sometimes I just talk the talk, you know, and then I'll correct myself, you know.

Let me read this important one. This is my personality, so I'm not here to tell you. I want to read this one. It's important. John says, Tim, I'm okay with disagreement, but despise when they refuse to acknowledge when they're wrong. And I want to address two things. You've actually said you were wrong about two things already. And I said I respect that tremendously, you know.

I might have been wrong about more than that. When I watch the podcast, I'll be like, oh, you know what? We're talking, talking. But you said two things. I'm not a politician. I'm not a newscaster. I'm already a rugged man. I'm a maniac. So I'm not here to... No, no, but you deserve...

We should refute this. You said that you were wrong to say the guy should be in prison for filming and you said you felt bad you hurt my feelings. That's you acknowledging that you felt you did something wrong, and you deserve respect for that, not for someone to act like you didn't acknowledge it. Yeah, well, I don't know. I think you're a good dude.

I think we disagree, and I think you've done a good job of expressing yourself. Just stop trying to scare the world away from black folks. Well, I don't think we want to do that. I don't think we do that. I like looking at the eyes. You look at their brain. You see their brain when you look at their eyes. It doesn't think we want to do that. I like looking at the eyes. You see their brain when you look at their eyes. It doesn't matter what else is going on.

If we're trying to get away from division and stuff, it's like, racial division, it's like, let's scare everybody. Black men are scary. Gone Fall says, I like this guy because I hate him. Have him on more. It's like when your opponent hits a home run.

You've got to respect the home run. It's like world wrestling entertainment. You've got to have a villain and a big guy fighting it out. All right, let's do a couple more here. I apologize for not getting to more of these, but we're running late because it was a good conversation. Because I don't shut up. Michael Brome says, I'm from the Caribbean, and me and my African friends come here and outperform our black cousins because they are broken. Research.

What did he say? He says what his ancestors did to slaves when they rise, black Wall Street happens. I see what he's saying. He's on my side. Yeah, definitely. Black man, power to the people. He's probably a fat white guy. No comment.

I mean, no. I think he's right. Black Wall Street, the Tulsa bombing stuff, bad stuff went down in this country for sure. Tuskegee experiments, man. Yep. So you just did what I did to him when I said he's doing a Jussie Smollett. You said, that guy can't be black. He's a white guy.

You know what I'm saying? None of this is real. I will concede. I was a little kid. That story comes from me coming outside as a little kid, seeing glass, my mom being like, here's what happened. You know what I mean? And then I was raised hearing that story. But there's other stories. Your mom did a Smollett. That my mom being like, here's what happened. You know what I mean? And then I was raised hearing that story. But there's other stories. So your mom did a Smollett.

That's crazy. My mom like, goes outside at three in the morning. She's wearing a MAGA hat in 91. It was a Reagan era one. She's way ahead of her time. She's like, boy, Ross Perot.

No, I'm not. All right, let's see. Human says, you are literally diving us more, dividing us more when you say that a white struggling is not the same as a black struggling. Struggle is struggle. That's not true. It's not true. Starvation is starvation.

I'll say that. I just think we've got to treat people as people. We've got to have a world where everybody is a person deserving of equal human rights and all that stuff. Yeah, I agree. But that means you can't tell someone they're undeserving because of the way they look. When did I say that? When you said you should choose the black guy over the white guy if an industry is too – No, I said if 85% of the directors are white and they're both equally good at their job, same school, same credentials, let's get some diversity on the team. Yes, I agree with that.

All right, how about we do this? We went a bit late, so again, I apologize to a lot of the Super Chats we weren't able to get to, but smash that like button. And dude, you guys, you got to respect people who are willing to come on here and debate opposing viewpoints, because it's not often we're able to have that opportunity. It's hard to get people to come on the show. I have tremendous

respect for you coming on and looking at all of us in the back. I'm going to tell you what I think. And let me tell you, you're thin. And, you know, when you're on your show, you put some weight on. You look like a little chubby, stubby guy on your podcast. But when I seen you playing pool, you were like this tall, lanky guy. He's like a tall, lanky guy. I was like, wait.

That was funny. You were like, I thought you were smaller. I thought you were stubby. Well, I did lose weight a bit. I started doing keto. It's the beanie. But even in the shot here, I did lose weight a bit. I started doing keto. The beanie makes his head look round. But even in the shot here, I'm watching us tonight.

The angle, yeah. But then he was at the table all tall and lanky doing pull-ups. It's a round Korean face. It's so round. All right, guys. Smash the like button. Subscribe to the channel. Follow us at TimCastIRL.

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I have to say, that definitely didn't go as I expected it to go, to say the least. I thought we were going to get into Agent Orange and government and secrecy conspiracies and all that stuff. Your viewers would like me over that stuff. It didn't happen. Someone in the comment section said that this is the worst Ali G impression that they've ever seen. Some people are saying, what is Tom McDonald's old father doing here?

They're saying, R.A. the Smollett man. There's a lot of different comments. You asked for it. You got it. I appreciate it. Shout out to Tom. Tom McDonald and Nova. Those are good friends of comments. You asked for it. You got it. I appreciate it. Shout out to Tom. Tom McDonald and Nova. Those are good friends of mine. I appreciate the conversation. Nova's a little genius, too. And I think we should do it on a bigger level, have a moral technique on,

have different people from different perspectives. We need to debate. We need to argue. And I think at the end of the day, if we could still be friends with each other and still agree to disagree but still be able to listen to each other, I think that's a victory. And even though it wasn't the best of debates, it wasn't the most civilist one, I didn't expect this to

happen. It happened. Are you disappointed or happy? No, no. I think it's better than boredom and I think it's better than the status quo because we can have people reiterating what we believe in all the time and it's just boring. But when you have someone challenging you and you have to think on your feet,

that's something that's rare and that's something that's awesome. So I appreciate you and I appreciate you, Tim. And I appreciate everyone making this show possible. And love you guys. Oh, thanks, Luke. I love you too. Hey, great seeing you, man.

Oh, I never, what's your name? Ian. Ian. Epic, dude. Check me out at iancrossland.net. An hour went by super fast tonight. Yeah, I'm super fast. I thought it was two hours. It was. Just one of those hours from like 8. Epic, dude. Check me out at iancrossland.net. An hour went by super fast tonight. Yeah, I'm super fast. I thought it was two hours.

It was. Just one of those hours from 8.15 to 9.15 was just like the snap of a finger. I was like, whoa. Good show. Catch you later. Yeah, thank you very much for coming by. I will say that I think that you represented a lot of ideas that we don't hear here a lot. Hear, hear. Hear, hear a lot.

Well, then you should have somebody a little bit more articulate than me. If you can connect us, let's do it. Yes. Let's do it. You help us get the guest. We'll get him here. People are genuinely afraid. They don't want to come on.

I'm not the best articulation-wise. I'm kind of like, you know, so. I appreciate you coming and saying what you think. No, I don't care. I like to be, you know, me. If you know any of these people, help us get them. If you have a conflicting opinion, you should have somebody that has all that stuff. Mike, Mike, you got to talk to Mike.

Oh, we're doing a show? Yeah, yeah, we're still live. We're still live right now. We're closing off. Oh, miss, edit that part out. It's live, baby. All right, the softy man. No, edit that part out.

Let's get to the member section. That was literally me. I thought the show was over. I appreciate your advice. Anyway, all right. We've still got another 20 minutes. All right. You guys may follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter.

All right, everybody. We'll see you over at TimCast.com in the member segment. Thanks for hanging out. Bye, guys. you