Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #433 - Chicago Mayor Says The Unvaxxed TIME IS UP w/Jack Murphy

Episode Date: December 23, 2021

Tim and Lydia host friend and fellow YouTuber Jack Murphy to discuss Lori Lightfoot's insane new policy for Chicago residents, the unending lockdowns facing Australia, a possible civil war and the rol...e faith will play in surviving it, Elon Musk's crazy tax payment, and a quick and dirty review of the new Matrix movie, complete with spoilers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Merry Christmas, everybody. This is our last show for the week. Nobody's working. There's nobody sitting next to me. Ian's gone, of all people. Ian's the guy who wakes up at 7 p.m. for an 8 p.m. show, and then he shows up in his pajamas. And even this guy is out for family.
Starting point is 00:00:17 Well, I guess actually that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. We miss him, though. Luke left today because Luke's got a Polish mom. And I'll tell you what, that's what he said. That's what he said. Because he's like, Polish mothers are very much like, you got to be back early. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:00:29 Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, but Jack Murphy's hanging out. Hey, I'm here. Good to be here. My friend Matt's going to be here a little bit later. It's going to be a lot of fun. Good to see everybody. There's a lot of people who have no idea what that means.
Starting point is 00:00:40 I know it does. I'm Jack Murphy. Follow me on Twitter at Jack Murphy Live on YouTube, Jack Murphy Live. Yeah, there's news. They're rolling out all these vaccine mandates right before Christmas when no one's paying attention. And that's one of the most nefarious things. Boston announced it. D.C. announces it. Chicago announces it. And they're doing it just after the new year. And I think a lot of people are going to comply. So we'll talk about all that stuff. We'll talk about Joe Biden. I want to talk about the story with Elon Musk.
Starting point is 00:01:08 He's saying that he's going to – he is paying more taxes than anyone in history, which is effectively defanging a lot of these leftist arguments against him. And then we've got some – I don't know. I've got to bounce with you guys. Nobody's working right now. So we've got stories on TimCast.com, which we're going to talk about. And then for the most part, man, everybody is zoned out. People are like, I don't want to talk about this stuff.
Starting point is 00:01:27 I don't want to listen. I want to go watch The Matrix. Well, I'll tell you what I did today. I watched The Matrix. And we have a review because I think The Matrix Resurrections is conservative propaganda. And I'm only half joking when I say that. I actually think they have a very powerful kind of traditional message in it, which is interesting. And there's also like the movie almost mocks the left, but I think they're serious with it. It's kind of like how Girlbusters was, you know, they're like, this is what we really believe.
Starting point is 00:01:53 And you're like, well, really? And then they have this like, I don't want to spoil too much. I'm not going to spoil too much, but we'll talk about it later on in the show. And then, you know, whatever. We'll talk about Joe Biden or something. He wants to rematch Trump. What's going on, man? Welcome back.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Thanks, man. We'll talk about Joe Biden or something. He wants to rematch Trump. What's going on, man? Welcome back. Thanks, man. Good to be here. On my way up, I'm like reading about D.C. Vax mandates. So I'm sort of just accepting the fact that I'm never going to be able to go out to eat or to the movies or to a concert or have a drink or anything ever again in D.C. And then I hear Montgomery County, the county just adjacent to D.C., is doing the same thing. Yep.
Starting point is 00:02:24 In Maryland. Yeah. Man. That's it. Because they couldn't do it statewide because where we are in Montgomery County, the county just adjacent to D.C. is doing the same thing. Yep, in Maryland. Yeah. Man. That's it. Because they couldn't do it statewide because where we are in Western Maryland has already tried to – has already offered up secession. Yeah. Yeah. So these westernmost counties have said like, West Virginia, we would gladly become West Virginia.
Starting point is 00:02:37 Please help us. Washington County and a few others. I think it's happened more than once. They write letters and they're like, please take us West Virginia. Please. There's a dude over here who's got a big sign that says Swamp 40 miles that way and like wear your boots.
Starting point is 00:02:51 And there's like a big Trump sign and stuff like that. So we'll get all that stuff. We also got a lady hanging out. It's just the three of us. I am also here in the corner pushing buttons. I did not take off tonight. I'm happy to be here with you guys and Jack and Tim. It's going to be,
Starting point is 00:03:01 I think it's going to be perfectly animate even though we have fewer people here. So I'm stoked. This is like the very first time I was ever on the show. There's only a few of us. The first time you came on, just us hanging out. No Luke. That was like February 2020.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Yeah, man, just before the world ended. That's right. Don't forget, go to TimCast.com, become a member. Your membership is what sustains us. The journalists we have, I did a check today, we have 31 employees. I'm surprised by that. We had a holiday party and I'm like, who are all these people in my house? Isn't it crazy? And I know who they are and what they do. And I'm like, man, we got a lot of people working here. But I'll tell you this, most of the people who are
Starting point is 00:03:40 working here, they're doing editorial stuff, they're doing journalism, they're doing fact checking. And then we have a couple other shows. And it really is about expanding and doing more work and making sure that you as members are helping us to make sure we build a powerful foundation. And I mean, look, I'll just say it for better or for worse, become the mainstream press, become the dominant media institutions. And maybe at some point we will have to be supplanted by someone else. But for the time being, the establishment is broken.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And that's what we seek to challenge. And with your help, we will do it. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel. And I know there's already people putting in a bunch of super chats and they're saying that, you know, we've got to read them because there was an issue with Jack last week on Elijah and Sidney Watson's show. And look, I'll say first and foremost, we're not a drama channel. We don't do drama. You know, I understand that something happened and everybody's super chatting and expecting me to read something. But I will say, we will address it.
Starting point is 00:04:39 We will read your super chats. By all means, super chat. But we don't do um silliness like if you have legitimate questions and legitimate conversation to be had that will move things forward definitely will be into it if you're posting memes and jokes and like having a laugh or whatever we'll read one or two maybe but i'm not gonna read for a half an hour because you guys want to make you know jokes or whatever like i mean i'm not trying to be a dick or anything the goal of the show has always been can we like maximize the conversation and get the best ideas across as possible?
Starting point is 00:05:08 And I think that's why we get so many super chats because people are usually offering up really good questions and helping us have that conversation. So I just try to keep, I try to, I try to stay out of the weeds. There are a lot of YouTubers, they talk about me all day. They're like, oh, Tim Pool did this, Tim Pool did that. And the Young Turks did it recently. And I'm like, I'd rather not do that. I'd rather talk about the things that are impacting our lives, the things that are causing us strife, the things we need to overcome, what we can do to improve ourselves, and typically things that just I feel like are important and worth talking about.
Starting point is 00:05:40 So we'll address it simply because I think it should be because people are asking for it. But I will say for the most part, don't expect we're going to have some ridiculous joke fest where we just make fun of people or anything like that. But at any rate, if you want to get your super chats in, by all means, you're free to do so. And let's just read the news, man. Let's do it. We got
Starting point is 00:06:00 the story from TimCast.com. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot warns unvaccinated residents your time is up. And she said it just like that too. She said we didn't want to get to this point. Actually, I should read it like Lori Lightfoot. Because she's Beetlejuice. Such talks like this.
Starting point is 00:06:16 We didn't want to get to this point. But given the situation we find ourselves in, we have no choice. Beginning January 3rd, you must show proof you are fully vaxxed to under bars. I haven't seen that movie in a really long time, by the way. That's a good impression. I don't know if I'm doing a good Michael Keaton. She says, to enter bars, restaurants, fitness centers, and entertainment and recreational venues where food and drink are served.
Starting point is 00:06:34 But the best part was when she said, where is it? Do we even have it on here? Here we go. To put it simply, if you have been living vaccine-free, your time is up. If you wish to live life as with the ease to do the things you love, you must be vaxxed. This health order may pose an inconvenience to the unvaccinated. And in fact, it is inconvenient by design. I had to read it like a villain.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Yeah. Because that was one of the most villainous statements on vaccine mandates from any executive. I don't know. That one from Biden was pretty bad. They're like, if you don't get vaccinated, you face a long, dark, cold winter and you're going to overwhelm the hospitals and basically you're going to die. I don't, I don't. Yes, it was bad, but I don't agree.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Right. When I, when I saw it, so that was from Zients or whatever, the coronavirus task force guy on Biden's administration. He said the unvaxxed can be expecting a winter of death and, you know, like suffering or whatever, because you'll overwhelm the hospitals. But that's more like, you know, I imagine that as if I was watching a movie, there's like a hooded figure issuing like a prophetic warning and like shaking a bony finger. You will face death. And that's not the real villain but this one she's like if you've
Starting point is 00:07:47 been living vaccine free your time is up that's like skeletor straight up being like i'll get you he man you know like not like just like a warning you know they're just gonna try to make your life as miserable as possible he said it bill de blasio was like we're going to take away your life liberty and pursuit of happiness unless you inject yourself with this medication. You want liberty? Do what we say. Yep. But you won't even get liberty if you do it.
Starting point is 00:08:11 That's the crazy thing. No, not at all. And in fact, the Washington, D.C. just came out with its own vax mandate today, as a matter of fact. And in there, it gave a definition of vaccinated. And it's like two shots. You're only one shot if you're a kid, two shots if you're an adult. Of, and it's like two shots. You're only one shot. If you're a kid, two shots. If you're adult, of course, that's going to change.
Starting point is 00:08:29 There's no liberty there. You're going to just keep having to get the shot. But I'm faced with now, like I'm literally, I can't go to any restaurants in DC. You got to move. I got to move. I wish the word that easy. I'm divorced. It's been a long time.
Starting point is 00:08:43 It's been 12 years. We've been divorced. The kids are here. I'm not, you know, I have two choices. I can either abandon my kids or I can kidnap them either way. These are two, you know, obviously I can't do either one of those. So I'm, I'm stuck. Right. And, uh, you know, I wish people would understand that when they come at me about the vaccine, it's like, also I have split custody and this is a thing divorced families are facing all across the country, where the parents don't agree on what to do about the vaccine. Well, now there's no question. Your kids have to be faxed, period. I mean, they're making it that way.
Starting point is 00:09:14 It used to be, you know, so we had that conversation about, you know, your kids want to do sports. And then we got in that debate. Now it doesn't even matter. That's not even a question anymore. Now it's, there's not going to be any legal defense. There will be, but I'll say this first and foremost. It's one thing to be like, if I want my kids to play sports, they got to get the vaccine because of these rules. Now they're just going to be like, if you want your kid to go to a restaurant, if to go to a gym, to go to the schools, to do any of that stuff,
Starting point is 00:09:38 they have to be vaxxed. So it's either they stay at home all day or they get the vaccine. So I think that when it comes to a court argument where you're saying you don't want your kids. There's no choice. The judge is going to be like, boom, done. Exactly. Yeah, so I literally have no choice. And people don't like nuance. The trolls don't like
Starting point is 00:09:56 any nuance. And they give me a hard time about our conversation that we had a couple of months ago. And I'm just faced with the fact that I'm no longer going to be able to go to restaurants, museums, bars, nightclubs, theaters, music venues, whatever. And I'm just faced with the fact that I'm no longer and I'm no longer gonna be able to go to restaurants, museum bars, nightclubs, theaters, you know, music venues, whatever. And even in the adjacent counties, Montgomery County, Arlington County, they're going to be doing the same thing. Montgomery County just announced it. I'm never going to be able to go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art ever again in New York City. I'm like being deleted out of
Starting point is 00:10:20 society because I'm a strong, healthy, that has, maybe I think I've had it before. I remember March 2020 after CPAC. Man, everybody was sick after CPAC. Well, and people got it at CPAC. Yeah. I'm going to Chicago and we're leaving tomorrow at some point. And this is probably the last time I'll ever go to Chicago.
Starting point is 00:10:40 No joke. No joke. I feel fortunate that I've been able to travel the world already. Right. Because so many people can't but uh and and the the response from the people in the cult are just like why don't you just do as you're told and i'm like i because i don't agree with it whether whether you're vaccinated or not i think the mandates are absolutely wrong in austria they're bringing
Starting point is 00:11:00 out inspectors to go track people down and find them. So what I think is going to happen is what Chicago is basically saying is for the foreseeable future until we deem it safe. It's never going to be safe. Not ever, ever. I do have TSA pre, so I don't have to take my shoes off when I go on the airlines. But I still watch all those people go through the line, taking off their shoes, taking their laptops out of their bag, all these things. That is never going to change. I suspect the masks on the airplane probably never going to change. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I mean, who was it? Someone already came out and said they should be permanent. Was it Fauci? I think it was Fauci. Yeah, I think Fauci was like, everybody should wear masks forever. Right. And despite the fact that two CEOs of airlines came out and talked about how the air filters inside those planes make for the cleanest possible air you could ever be in possibly like takes out 99 of any possible covid uh you know infectious
Starting point is 00:11:49 particles and whatnot yeah these things are never going to change the new society we have to deal with you know how they have those when you're in the plane they have the the fan you can unscrew the thing and it blows the air out yeah so have you ever sat next to someone on a plane who farts a lot it happens right because what happens is there's lower pressure in a higher altitude. So the plane is pressurized. Fart science. No, it is. Check it out.
Starting point is 00:12:14 The plane is pressurized, but it's still lower pressure than you would be on the ground. And so the gas in your body expands and makes it more likely for you to fart. Well, I've traveled so much, man. I'll let you in on a tip. Many people may already know this if you travel. But I used to fly twice a week. So what I would do is I would open the vent and have the fan blow down to my right side to create a barrier. And so when the fart would come out, the air would hit it and push it away.
Starting point is 00:12:39 You think I'm kidding. It works. It works. And so I bring this up because it should be true for anything, including the droplets. You turn the fan on, you have it below next to you, and you've got a little wind barrier pushing away the air, and it pulls in air from other directions. So not only that, but you're right. You've got the filters in these airplanes. They don't care, man.
Starting point is 00:12:57 One thing I've noticed, I've been traveling so much as well. I've got like executive platinum pro status on American now. Nobody gives a crap about wearing masks in the airport. I have not been wearing masks in any airport. I don't wear one until I get to the point of going into the gate, right down into the airplane. Nobody cares. I've seen people walk up with no mask on. They just hand them a mask.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Don't say anything. The only time that they require it is on the plane. And you know what? Not even all the time then. They do require it in airports, but there's no enforcement for the most part. Like a TSA agent is going to walk up, isn't going to walk up to you randomly and be like, put on a mask, sir. No one says anything.
Starting point is 00:13:34 No one says anything. Even that plane though. Right. And then all of a sudden they're like, federal law says. There's no federal law. No, it's not. It's a trick they're doing. There's a federal law that grants the president right to issue executive orders.
Starting point is 00:13:48 And the president issued an executive order. And now they're claiming a federal law. And this is emblematic of the problem of the bureaucratic state where they create these vague laws, and then they empower this whole administrative state to then administer the laws in whatever way they see fit. And then they issue these rules, these mandates, and then the courts will adjudicate them. And effectively, it becomes law at that point. But you have basically an army of technocrats deciding the way that we have to live our lives today. And it's out of the power of the legislature. Why hasn't Congress sat down and actually debated these very things on the floor of Congress and decided whether or not the people want to have that? Those times have come and gone. Democracy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those times have come and gone. Democracy?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see the Babylon Bee article. It was like in terrible blow for democracy, majority representatives make decisions for the country or whatever. Right. They're blaming it all on the one West Virginia senator. And it's like, well, what about the other 50 guys that didn't vote for it as well? It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Yeah. And you know what? Kudos to that guy for holding his ground and making his decision. He's under a lot of pressure. I don't understand why he still caucuses with the Democrats. He doesn't vote with them. He's considering going independent. Independent?
Starting point is 00:14:55 He should. He should. And the fact that they tried to lay it all on him is just a ridiculous cop-out. It's part of the Alinsky strategy of isolating targets and funneling all of the energy onto them and hopefully making it personal and hopefully getting them to crack. It's in the book, Rules for Radicals, and they do it. They isolate people. They target them. Hell, I've seen people do that in my personal life. We got it. I found it from Babylon Bee. It says, in stunning blow to democracy, legislation
Starting point is 00:15:24 decided by majority of elected representatives. Oh, my gosh. I love it from Babylon Bee. It says, in stunning blow to democracy, legislation decided by majority of elected representatives. Oh, my gosh. I love it. Stop the president. Because they keep saying, like, how come one man is stopping us? And it's like, it's 51 senators. 51. There's 50 other people.
Starting point is 00:15:35 You're insane. In a stunning blow. Basically, democracy works in action. A majority of elected representatives deny the passage of the bill. Wow. Somebody just super chatted saying that they were denied seeing their kids by a judge because they're not vaccinated. action a majority of elected representatives deny the passage of the bill wow somebody somebody just super chatted saying that they were denied seeing their kids because by a judge because they're not vaccinated i'm sorry to hear that for you dude i i i i i've heard this a number of times
Starting point is 00:15:55 we we've seen court orders where parents were not allowed to see their own children because of the vaccine i don't know i don't know if we're going to win this one. The vaccine. Yeah, I think the vaccine mandates will become law. And people will get their routine injections. And they're not, you know, give it five years and no one's going to even question it. And the reason is, I think, you've got cult members and cowards. And that makes up the bulk of what this country is. So I can't remember who.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Well, first there was Clif Duncan, who had an amazing tweet. He said something to the effect of my disdain for covid has been, you know, superseded by my by my my disdain for those who know something is wrong and refuse to speak up. Yeah. So, you know, every single person who watched this in the beginning and said, I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to put any risk to myself and are now suffering the consequences. I mean, it's too late. The time to speak up was a while ago. Now that Chicago and D.C. and these other places are rolling these things out, and we saw what happened in New York, they will comply.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Regular people will drop to their knees to fillet the state with a smile on their face. No, maybe not a smile on their face. Maybe they'll be crying while they do it. like let's be real they're gonna do it and then what that means is there will be outliers there will be um people who refuse to participate a lot some of these people who oppose many of them who oppose the mandates are vaccinated and these people will find themselves in the woods you know or the the the metaphorical woods right you can still go to the grocery store you can still walk around on the streets you think they're really going to come after grocery stores even 100 yes in austria it's a mandate period even in your own home
Starting point is 00:17:39 you must be vaccinated so they're hiring inspectors to do research and track people down and then issue them a 3,600 euro fine every quarter if they do not get vaccinated. Well, in DC, not only now can they issue you a fine, but they can revoke your business and driver's licenses. They can't do it. They do it. And people drop to their knees and say, I will do anything you say because they're losers. They're going to take my driver's license, take my business license. I will not comply. I'm not complying. I'm never going to comply.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Period. End of story. It would be nice if we could like maybe if it happens to me, we could lawsuit and try to fight this. But there's absolutely no way at this point because look, it's the more they tell me I have to do it, the less i'm interested in complying yes exactly i will not ever comply not you know what the issue is i will not bend the knee to slimy cultists you can show me all the science in the world and i'm going to say when the evil
Starting point is 00:18:39 people are beating it's like this imagine you've got um a despotic king and he's evil as evil can be and they beat and torture and maim and dwells really awful stuff and then they say we've we we are going to manage everyone eat these delicious pomegranates i'd be like you can't make me do anything i don't care right i like pomegranates right you know i mean i think vaccines are great right but the state taking this power it's only going to get substantially worse. So for me, it's like it's very obvious. If this is the path we're on, you can only imagine how insane it will be a year from now. Because you think about what the past two years have been like.
Starting point is 00:19:20 First, it was two weeks. Then it was just wear a mask. We've seen the memes. It's just this. It's just this. years have been like first it was two weeks then it was just wear a mask we've seen the memes it's just this it's just this eventually you see in australia they're rounding they're rounding people up and putting them in camps and they're justifying it and and i'll tell you how scary it is claire says yeah when claire lehman of quillette is one of the cheerleaders i know for arresting people without due process and bringing them to a camp and saying it's normal. Yo, we're in trouble, man.
Starting point is 00:19:46 What is her deal, dude? Because she was posting Instagram pictures from, I guess, the Olympic team stayed there briefly. Hot babes. And saying, this is who's staying there, Timmy. Hot babes. That's who was staying there. Man, Quillette. Don't you want to be there with the hot babes?
Starting point is 00:20:01 Do you remember when there was a hot minute when Quillette was like, oh, right on point, right on the cutting edge, like really doing the thing that they're supposed to do, really saying the right things, doing like actual science and thinking about it and reporting on real anti-woke stuff. And then now she's like, it's just the Olympic team, man. Don't worry about it. Well, she was making it seem like it was all hot babes. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:25 When it was actually just one propaganda moment from a year ago or whatever. Right, exactly. So they have these – Do you think she did that unwittingly or is she an agent now? I think she's scared that the state will take everything away from her. Yeah. And she's in this position where she's not that famous, but she's famous enough. And she knows it. She knows her option is stand on principle and be persecuted,
Starting point is 00:20:55 or get on your knees and fillet the state. At least you'll be fed you regularly. Look, all this does is confirm to me that what we're doing in the liminal order even makes more sense. We're building an independent network separate from the institutions. We're finding ways to do our business with each other, invest in each other's companies. All this drama that's going on around me right now, I literally could not give one single F because all we're doing right now is building businesses that are going to change the world. We're building ways that people can get independent access and direct access to beef, for example. Look at modern T-Man. He's working on getting a way to get direct access from the consumers
Starting point is 00:21:27 to the beef producers so we can cut out the middle men. We're trying to find all kinds of ways to solve education problems, communications problems, because you're going to have to get meaning, safety, security, entertainment, culture, and arts all from independent networks instead
Starting point is 00:21:43 of the institutions because institutions want you fat sick jailed or you know tied to your desk in debt for the rest of your life that's what they i think there's a lot of people who are choosing they know it's wrong they know what's going on is wrong and they're lying to themselves and just going along with it because you know people are um tribal beings. So there's this dude I know who he's tweeting about how he's like, you got the third shot? And I was like, you're getting the fourth?
Starting point is 00:22:12 Yep. And I'm like, and the fifth and the sixth? And they're like, it's endemic. It's going to be like a flu shot. And I'm like, yeah, I know. But you never got a flu shot before, dude. I know you. And all of a sudden, you're just accepting this new normal.
Starting point is 00:22:24 I never got a flu shot, ever. I never get the flu shots, but I do have the measles, mumps, and rubella. I do have the polio, pertussis, all those. I've got more vaccines than the average person, substantially. I've talked about it before. Yeah, I was traveling, so they give you all these crazy different shots. And I received
Starting point is 00:22:39 the flu shot when I was a kid. It makes sense. You're going to places where you can catch the disease just by standing there, and it makes you really super sick and could kill you. I'll tell you what I'm excited about, man. We put in the down payment, the deposit for the new Freedomistan building. And then we had the construction crew come out, and we drew up the general design of it. It's going to be amazing. It's going to be, I think, it might – I think it's going to be 36 feet at the peak and it's going to be 25 foot walls
Starting point is 00:23:06 75 feet by 100 feet and then we're building the new studio it's going to be slightly bigger than the room we're in the room we're in now is about 15 by 32 I think actually and the one we're building is going to be 25 by 40
Starting point is 00:23:22 so we're going to have a much bigger room and it's going to have one big glass window overlooking the work facility. It's going to be amazing. And so what we're doing there is, for one, we're going into a place where we don't got to worry about any of this stuff. And maybe it's bad that we retreat or whatever, but, man, I was in – we were in the New Jersey area. We were trying to buy a building, and everything started to fall apart when covet happened and then ultimately we decided you know we we could barely go out because they had to stay at home orders and so it wasn't back then it was interesting because no one was forcing you to stay home it was just like we were kind of doing it because
Starting point is 00:23:57 we're like okay what else do we do and well there was nowhere to go yeah yeah everything was closed down yeah and so we would just sit around but we had a backyard had a fire pit. Ian would make fires and we'd hang out. We had a big skate park. I remember seeing that the first time. It wasn't super big. It was like 15 feet by 60 feet or something like that. I guess that's – no, not 60 feet. Actually, yeah, maybe it – no, maybe it was 50 feet.
Starting point is 00:24:20 I think it was 50 feet. So it was like a big concrete platform. So we were able to exercise. We were able to barbecue and have fires but ultimately i was like dude this stuff's getting worse you know uh like we need to get out of here and so we decided to move out here now it's expanding chicago dc um boston they they are absolutely going to go national with the mandates it is going to affect every i don, I don't see the red States escaping this, but at the very least, you know, in West Virginia, we are so far removed from everything that I
Starting point is 00:24:52 really don't see enforcement as being possible. Right. Right. And it comes down to the County Sheriff ultimately, right? Is the County Sheriff going to enforce these things? And one thing that I remember when uh the virginia governor was making noise that they were going to try to pass legislation that was going to really curtail second amendment rights a bunch of county sheriffs got together and were like we will not enforce
Starting point is 00:25:15 this come at us and at the same time the west virginia legislature or at least one of the legislators there was like hey Hey, all you counties in Virginia, if you don't want to do that, come on over here to West Virginia. And people act like it's such a crazy thing, but, um, hello, why does West Virginia exist in the first place? Because the civil war happened. Well, I know, but they, but they had different political ideas and they split up. Like this is not an, this is not an insane idea to have the states disassemble and reassemble in some capacity. Yo, it's a meme, but I think civil war is inevitable. I absolutely do.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Because in Boston and Chicago, I know people in Chicago because I'm from there. And a bunch of people I know have been posting on things on Facebook like I'm scared. They're going to force me to do this. It's crazy to hear from people I know being like, what do I do? I'm going to They're going to force me to do this. It's crazy to hear from people I know being like, what do I do? I'm going to lose my job.
Starting point is 00:26:08 What do I do? They're going to make me do this and it's just like, you have to leave. You have to leave. Y'all voted for this. That's the funniest thing. Some of these people
Starting point is 00:26:16 are Biden voters, Democrat voters. And with a smile on their face, they went in there and they rubber stamped Democrat and now they're going, why is this happening to me? Because you voted for it.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Because the people who voted for Ron DeSantis, I think they're pretty Democrat. Now they're going, why is this happening to me? Because you voted for it. Right. Because the people voted for Ron DeSantis. I think they're pretty happy with their choice. Dude, hair margin, though. Right. Remember, he barely beat Gillum. Barely beat him. Imagine the difference in the national conversation, too, if Gillum had won and DeSantis wasn't a voice.
Starting point is 00:26:40 And then Gillum was found naked, drugged out. Passed out at a gay orgy or something like that. And it's crazy that you have Navy veteran. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Well, you just think about the kind of person you have to choose from in terms of leadership. An irresponsible partier or a Navy veteran. And people almost went for the guy who was not a leader. Look, I got no issue with people wanting to have gay orgies and do drugs.
Starting point is 00:27:07 I'm very libertarian. I'm like, this is what makes America great. You go off and you do your thing, and as long as you're not hurting other people, just leave kids out of it, leave us out of it, and you do your thing and you'll be happy. But when it comes to leadership, I think we need somebody with leadership experience. And this state almost went for Gillum instead of DeSantis. There's a lot of things about DeSantis. i don't agree with everything desantis does has been criticized over free speech issues but i would take the military veteran over the you know drug abusing
Starting point is 00:27:34 party or guy don't you think though if it comes down at a federal level that gillum or not gillum um desantis he'll resist t Tennessee governor, they'll resist. West Virginia, they'll resist. A federal, I mean, look, we already have, in practice today across the country, states actively resisting federal law. That's why I'm saying civil war, because look. But marijuana hasn't caused a civil war. This is different, dude.
Starting point is 00:28:02 But the concept is the same. The concept is the same. There's a federal law, and the states are saying no it's that that's not the issue i i could care less i'm sorry i could not care less that's the appropriate that's the correct way to say it i could not care less if california legalized every drug in the planet and then some i don't live there i don't care it has nothing to do with me. But when cities start saying you must undergo a permanent and irreversible medical procedure, people flee those cities, and they go to red areas. And some of these people are normies. They're not going to be voting. Some of them might vote Democrat. But what you're doing is,
Starting point is 00:28:40 right now in this country, what did Bill Maher say? There can't be a civil war in this country because the Mason-Dixon line would go through Nana's kitchen. Ha ha ha, says the audience. But that's because we had nothing but an ideological polarization. What the vaccine mandates are doing is creating a geographical polarization. Now you've got people like me who lived in the Philly suburbs who moved to West Virginia because I'm like, I will not comply or live under the boot of these despots. So I go to the place where everyone's like, we got guns, buddy. And I'm like, I would like some of those guns, too, sir. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:29:16 The people who live in these cities who say no to the mandates have been fleeing and they're going to red areas. So now the ideological polarization where you've got people in the New York area who are mixed, now New York City is hard left. These are the people who gleefully all line up together to get on their knees to fillet the state. And then you have the people who are like, I ain't doing that, moving out. Right, so my vector on this was
Starting point is 00:29:40 federal law needs to be enforced. So there will be areas of the country who resist the enforcement of the federal law needs to be enforced so there will be areas of the country who resist the enforcement of the federal law it's not it's not the federal law bro it's the state laws it's the local laws but you think you think that the tennessee governor is going to be like all right everybody get vaxxed why would he do that that's what i'm saying i'm not saying that i'm saying that mayor bill de blasio is going to say i'm going to take away your paycheck yeah and then 20 of the city is going to say, we will leave New York City. Do it.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Then you're going to have those 20% that lean conservative moving into more conservative areas. And the polarization is now geographical. Yeah, it's accelerating. Then you get the June 2022 Supreme Court ruling on Roe v. Wade. The left seems to think Roe v wade is done for and if that's the case now you have hard leftist overtly progressive or communist or socialist factions in cities and red states that have become overwhelmingly red and then you get a wedge issue blue states saying we are going to run you know abortion clinics in violation of federal law or whatever.
Starting point is 00:30:45 And then you'll end up with people fighting over it. So have you heard my assessment on that regard, my potentialities I've stated about this? No. So NBC News, Slate, a bunch of left journalists said that based on the oral arguments on Roe v. Wade on the Mississippi law, the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade June 2022. That's what the left believes. I don't know if it'll actually happen because who knows, many of these conservatives are going to be like, well, it's settled law.
Starting point is 00:31:13 But let's say they do. What does that really mean? Well, it means 12 states have trigger laws which will instantly ban abortion. Then you're going to have the midterms and it's going to get rowdy. If a red wave actually happens, Republicans will absolutely put forth a bill to federally ban abortion. They absolutely will. And they will have the votes to do it.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Now, I don't know if it's definitive. I'm just saying if the Supreme Court does this, if there's a red wave, the Republicans very likely would do this. Joe Biden very likely would veto it. Then comes 2024. You now have geographically polarized regions. The cities have become overwhelmingly blue and subservient to the state. And the red states have become overwhelmingly libertarian and anti-establishment.
Starting point is 00:31:58 And then you get a Donald Trump victory or a Ron DeSantis victory. And they say, the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to sign the federal abortion ban. And the moment they do, like John Podesta asked of the West Coast, you will see blue states start to act overtly in defiance of federal law and seek to secede. Or maybe that's too much. Maybe modern sensibilities prevent them from doing it. I guarantee you, though, if we ever get to the point where there's a federal abortion ban, you will see blue states defy that, and then you will probably see conservative and Republican executive authority going in and shutting these things down, which results in a dramatic escalation of conflict.
Starting point is 00:32:34 When you have geographical polarization plus states defying federal law to the point where it's the issue of babies, you know, an abortion. Yeah. I think it's very simple. When it comes to marijuana laws, you are not going to see a conservative be like, we have to stop these dispensaries. When it comes to abortion, you absolutely will have conservatives being like, we have to go in and stop them from killing babies. Right. You know, there is an interesting moral argument to be had here about making a union with somebody who has a different moral framework.
Starting point is 00:33:08 For example, when the union was being formed back in revolutionary times, there was a lot of people, plenty up north, who didn't want to be in a country with the slave states. But there was a moral argument to be had, which is if we don't form a country with the slave states, they will then form their own country. And then their country will be based on this immoral thing and it'll be left alone to prosper. And so the moral argument was actually to incorporate those slave states into the union so that over time, the idea of natural law and natural rights would be able to overcome slavery. And that led to a civil war. But that was a process that was set in motion. And the civil war resolved that issue. And then we resolved it. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:50 So there is a question. I don't think so. I think it resolved slavery in the sense that that was it. And then it took a couple of years before we finally totally purged it. But the conflict of the civil war has never stopped. It's really interesting how it's probably a bit reductive to frame it this way. But, you know, just reading history and following the presidency and the elections, when I see like everyone's like, this is all because of Obama when Obama got elected.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And then I'm like, OK, so I read about Obama and everyone's like, Obama got elected because of Bush. It's all because of Bush. Then you go back to 2000 Gore versus Bush. Then you go back to 2000, Gore versus Bush. Then you go back to Clinton. There is always something that as a catalyst leads us to this moment of polarization. And I think it's fair to say that in many ways,
Starting point is 00:34:33 the civil war never ended. But I'll give you a better example to understand the simplicity of this. It's not a complicated thing. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's very simple. There's this really great meme. It's not really a meme.
Starting point is 00:34:44 It's kind of just like a tweet. And they say how geographical formations from the Paleolithic era affects modern day voting practices. And what they show is that in the American South, there used to be a coastline which layered a bunch of minerals in a band across southern states. This created the most fertile farmland. So then when the plantation owners moved there, they brought all their slaves to this fertile farmland. Then when slavery ended, and today, that area is overwhelmingly Democrat and always votes Democrat. So the people are pointing out how this geographical formation ultimately resulted in this band of Democrat voters in the South. So what I mean to say is I read about the Civil War.
Starting point is 00:35:26 I read about, was it 1872 or 1876, where they decided the president by committee? I don't recall this one. So this is, let me see if I can pull this one up. I think it was 1872. I could be wrong. It might have been six. The 1872 election. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:35:44 No, maybe it was the next one one of these elections was decided by committee and it was because there was a dispute among uh the states as to which electors were real and which ones were like the legitimate ones and this resulted in a compromise that ended the um the reconstruction boy that sounds awfully familiar to a memo that I heard was written and presented to Mike Pence sometime in January. It was in 76. It was a compromise between Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats, of course, were the southern
Starting point is 00:36:13 slave owners and racists. After the Civil War was over, you ended with the Union going and occupying the South in the Reconstruction era. Then this election happened, and it was so contentious that there was fear the civil war was going to break out again and so they said what do we do to make sure that doesn't happen we will compromise and so they ultimately said okay democrats i think
Starting point is 00:36:34 they gave it to the democrats right let's see who actually became president um i think it was the democrat i'm not sure but ultimately they were like this will end reconstruction or i think they ended reconstruction in exchange for the Republican getting it. I can't remember. I was reading it before. Yeah, James Buchanan, all this stuff. So anyway. It says it was the second of five presidential elections in which the person who won the most popular vote did not win the election.
Starting point is 00:37:00 The result of the main election, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Second of five person didn't win the popular vote. High quality content. Yeah. Yeah, man. It's Wikipedia, I mean. So there we go. Electoral disputes and the compromise of 1877.
Starting point is 00:37:13 So I started reading about this and then I'm like, oh, wow, they were still fighting. Then you read about how the Democrats fought back after losing the Civil War with the Klan. Then you read about how this resulted in the civil rights, like this ultimately brought us to the civil rights era and how the Democrats decided to change their strategy in other ways. And history is really dependent upon which political tribe you believe in. The Democrats will tell you that it's at this point in the civil rights era that Democrats realized the folly of their ways and decided to help those who are minorities
Starting point is 00:37:41 because that was the path towards winning. And the Republicans adopted the Southern strategy and decided to start working with the racists and uh i don't believe that's true i don't either the other the other is the other idea which is a bit more conspiratorial is that democrat politicians realized the path towards suppressing minorities and maintaining their racism was to control these groups and thus they felt that that was you know their path forward i mean matt stoller we've talked about matt before uh he wrote an amazing book where he outlined i believe the guy's name was fred dutton i could be wrong on that uh where he was a democratic strategist in the 60s and he wanted to capture the vote of uh minorities and homosexuals
Starting point is 00:38:23 and independent women and feminist women, because he believed that that was the way to gain power and they wanted to become anti white male. And that was the turn that happened in the sixties and the seventies. And we still see that play out today. I mean, the stats are really freaking clear. Who was that?
Starting point is 00:38:40 They ran against, who was that? It was the landslide. It wasn't, it wasn't, it was news who ran against Nixon? Goldwater? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Who, no, no, Reagan Mondale, I think, right? Reagan Mondale, yeah. Mondale was the guy who was like, I'm going to form a coalition of the minorities and the women and the downtrodden. And then he got like obliterated in the election. Here's what people need to understand about these elections. So this wasn't 1980, this was 1984, right?
Starting point is 00:39:04 I think so. So here's what people really don't get about what a 49-state landslide is. 1984 election. Come on. Was it Minnesota, I think? Yeah, it was the one state. Look at all these. Wikipedia's got everybody.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Was it? Where's the United States? Come on, Wikipedia. There we go. United States. Why is this so different? Presidential election. There we go.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Minnesota. Yep. It was Walter Mondale and Reagan. and you know what people don't realize first when i say 49 state landslide you what do people imagine they imagine out of 100 million people 90 million people voted one one direction and everyone's cheering and celebrating and saying this is the guy we wanted we all in agreement this country is unified yeah it wasn't like that wasn't wasn't like that at all and so younger people don't get this ronald reagan got 54 million votes to walter mondale's 37 million it was 58 to 40 percent so it went absolutely decisive in the era where we're used to things being 48 to 48 and decided by 77 000 votes and whatnot. This is nearly half, almost half the country opposing Ronald Reagan,
Starting point is 00:40:07 but 49 states granting their electoral votes. Abolish the electoral college. That's right. Well, I mean, this is why. Because these 49 state landslides tend to favor Republicans. This is one of the,
Starting point is 00:40:20 you're making a face like it's not true. No, I think statistically speaking, it could favor either party, but historically speaking, right. It's been Nixon. It's been Reagan. Right. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Was it Nixon? Weren't there three foreign landslides? We are a union of states. I believe in that. The question, this comes up every election, right? But the question we need to ask ourselves is like, how would you induce states into a union today? You have to give them power. Yeah. This is about keeping the union together. And this is what people don't understand about being hardcore ideological, even on a moral level versus statesmanship and prudence.
Starting point is 00:40:58 How are you going to actually get something done? And is it okay to make compromises on certain values here and there in order to have your primary values or the one that's most important to you have success? Statesmanship is an entirely different thing than being an ideologue. And statesmanship requires prudence and prudence is difficult. Prudence by its very definition is about making tough decisions between two competing interests that you have. And that's what people are facing all across the country right now when it comes to, do I comply with this vax mandate? Do I have my kid take the vax? If he doesn't take the vax and he can't go to school, if he doesn't get educated, then he can't get a job. If he doesn't get a job,
Starting point is 00:41:35 et cetera, et cetera. Or do I stand up for this? I mean, this is why prudence is such a difficult thing to teach. It's a difficult thing to experience. Statesmanship is way different than just writing a book about theory and trying to say this is the way everything should be. Ibrahim Kendi, for example, is not a statesman. Right? He's an ideologue. He's not a guy that knows how to get things done and make compromises. And they're overt about it. They admit it.
Starting point is 00:42:00 There's like, I guess there's some interview where he says we realized that everything was indoctrination so we decided why don't we indoctrinate I get it that's the funny thing too everything is indoctrination and it's funny how there's a lot of people calling for banning books in schools
Starting point is 00:42:19 I just found that really funny, the critical race theory stuff, and I'm like I don't know if we really want to ban the books from the schools. We want to ban the praxis of the books. Like the teachers should explain the books to kids. You know, the stuff where it's got people performing adult activities in them, which they did have in schools. Yeah, that's a little different. You know, we're not talking about ideologies.
Starting point is 00:42:40 I don't like the idea of banning books because of their ideology. But I don't like the idea of banning books because of their ideology, but I don't like the idea of teaching the ideology. And you know what's funny is even the book burners don't even really think about that because they're like, oh, yeah, there's this – the book – the Marxist book is in the library, Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital. That's in the library. So is Adam Smith. Right. Nobody cares that they're both in the library. You can't have them both.
Starting point is 00:43:02 If you're a book burner, you can't have both those books in the library. But it's all just weaponized, obviously. How do you explain to a zealot you know what i mean i remember uh my my whole life there's never been a real issue as far as i could tell about i mean there's been some peripheral issues about prayer in school like oh it shouldn't happen but most people were like okay public schools shouldn't do that we get it fine whatever but now you have a new that that's a new thing, man. But now we have prayer in schools. They're just, they're just, they're just, you know, contemplating on whiteness, which as far as I'm concerned is no different.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Right. Well, it's a really fascinating thing to, to see how the woke thing is really a religion with sacrament and, and, and, and ritual and visual representations and all of these things that, that echo, uh, religious experiences. And what it really tells me, which is something that I have learned over these last several years is that, uh, God, man, you need it. It's there. You need it. There's a hole in us that needs to be filled. And we all yearn for some sort of understanding of the universe that makes us not feel insignificant. Uh, one of the most incredible things that I've discovered as I've been reading the Bible
Starting point is 00:44:08 and praying and like trying to understand it and come to some level of faith is that instead of like coming up with a model of the world to justify my behaviors or justify my actions or perceptions, there's like a ready-made model that unites you with the universe, with creation, with living a good life, with having good outcomes. And that is actually really comforting to know that the system has been in place for a long time and it works for a lot of people. And when you come across somebody that really believes and really practices, you can feel that energy come right out of their face.
Starting point is 00:44:41 It's incredible. I don't think everyone needs religion or needs god but i think most people probably need something like they need some version of this like of this faith system i remember i just talked i've talked to a lot of people about you know like psychedelics and psilocybin and stuff like that and they're like man people really need this stuff and i was like yeah i don't think I do. Um, like the people say, it's like, it's very good. It can open your mind. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think I need that to, to consider new ideas or, or change my opinions and be open to exploring this.
Starting point is 00:45:13 You know, maybe that's just me. I personally don't feel like I need to have any kind of guiding faith force in my life. That being said, I do believe in God, but, uh, that's why you don't feel any need for it, brother. Maybe. Maybe that's it. I guess people who lack that are lost and scared and confused. Yeah, because if you think about it, you're just a lump of cells on a planet in a cold,
Starting point is 00:45:36 dark, infinite universe. But I believe that's true. It is, but if you put yourself there for no reason and no purpose, randomly by accident, well, yeah, life's insignificant and you're facing the infinite. But that's purpose. That's not God. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:51 You can believe in God and still believe that you have no purpose. I don't know. People lack purpose. So maybe purpose is a better – Purpose and meaning are two different things, I guess. Maybe some people find their purpose through God and some people have nothing and so they create purpose and ideology. You know, what's interesting is that
Starting point is 00:46:09 mood follows motion, activity is life, and the Christians say, love thy neighbor. So if you love your other neighbor and you act it and you put it into motion and you become active in this regard, you get filled with a love and an energy that makes those questions go away. You just don't think about it
Starting point is 00:46:28 because you're filled with good energy. It's incredible. The cult members hope that once they purge people like you and I or everyone who's watching, they will have a pure utopia world. Because I'll tell you, communism can work. It can. Scale scale it's all about scale no no but
Starting point is 00:46:48 at a very very large scale of even a billion people communism can work it's very simple you just have to kill anyone who opposes them right exactly and so literally it means it doesn't work because you have to kill everybody but that's why they always do it. Because when the communists gain power, they say, what's stopping us from having everyone march in lockstep like worker ants? It's these free-thinking dissidents. Yeah. My good friend, Joe Norman, who is a complexity scientist and teaches people complexity science, you should check him out.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Joe Norman. He's been on my podcast, Jack Murphy Lab, a couple of times. What he's taught me is that everything is about scale. Everything is about scale. One idea can work at one scale and it won't work at a different scale. In my family, it is communist. It's expected that I can deliver the goods and everybody else gets what they need according to their needs. And that's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:47:40 And I love it. It's perfect. But as the scale gets bigger and bigger and bigger, you need a different forming algorithm or forming ideology. It's simple, bro. Imagine if someone was like, a car is a tool that can go from point A to point B. I need to move 3,000 pounds of bricks and I have a car. It should work, right? It's like, no, you need a different vehicle for that process. Right. No, that's exactly right. So if our goal is to move resources from person to person on a small family level, yeah, it's great. You're a commune.
Starting point is 00:48:11 You're a family. Someone's the boss. There's varying degrees of who's in charge depending on what resources you have, and everyone gets what they need. But if you want to move resources in a large-scale civilization, you need capitalism. The funny thing is the left doesn't know what the word capitalism means. And I think that's part of the indoctrination. Change definitions and you can confuse people. So it's funny when you see leftists complain about communism but call it capitalism.
Starting point is 00:48:38 They complain about the state controlling resources and colluding with the powerful elites to dictate who gets what. And they're like, it's capitalism, man. It's like capitalism just very plainly means, and I believe capitalism came from Marx anyway, very plainly means the private trade of goods, meaning an individual can trade freely as they choose, period. We are not in a pure capitalist system, by the way. Not even close. Not at all.
Starting point is 00:49:04 We're in a very constructed system by the way not even close yeah we're in it we're in a very constructed and controlled economy right well and the government works to pick winners and losers and especially pick losers we're feeling that you can't even work if you don't do exactly what we say this is an issue for sure and of course we've evolved into like an oligarchic state it's corporate feudalism and you don't even really going to own anything, which is what they want. Private. It's interesting. I had a conversation with Alexander Dugan, a Russian philosopher, people call him Putin's lapdog, whatever. He and I talked about this very issue and he said that he wants to get rid of capitalism. And I was like, well, you know, you might not have a lot of fans over here in the United States. If
Starting point is 00:49:41 you keep talking about getting rid of capitalism, it was like, no, no, no. I don't mean get rid of private property. I just mean get rid of what's happened today, what capitalism has turned into. And that got, that got my interest a little bit. And you know, the guy's a little crazy and he's got some seriously out there ideas and he's done some probably pretty bad things, but he was interesting, interesting to talk to because, you know, he's an influential guy and And I can see how inequality, the concentration of wealth in the hands of very few people leads to negative outcomes. And of course, we would want more people to share in the bounty that we've created. But if you believe in humanity, if you believe in individuals, then you will believe in individual outcomes and you will
Starting point is 00:50:22 believe in differing outcomes. And the founders were very clear on this. Different faculties lead to different outcomes and we need to preserve that. Let's talk about Mr. Elon Musk. Oh my gosh. From CNBC, Elon Musk says he will pay over $11 billion in taxes this year. Did you see the Babylon Bee interview they did with him? I did. I saw a little bit of it where the guys sitting around interviewing him were so cringe, actually. They're like we don't even know why we're talking to you.
Starting point is 00:50:50 I was like bro he's there. He agreed. You just need to ask questions with confidence. You guys are cool dudes. Elon come on the show man. Maybe a little yeah. I tweeted at Elon once. He tweeted at me. We're friends. Now you're friends. No, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:51:07 And together you guys are going to pay $12 billion in taxes this year. That's right. So I'm disappointed in this. I think Elon should not have done this. Why not? He did it to make a point and to try and defang people like Elizabeth Warren, which, okay, I suppose is still a good thing. Here's what I think happened. They've been saying people who are wealthy should pay taxes on their wealth, the wealth
Starting point is 00:51:24 tax. So Elon Musk was like, okay, should I liquidate my stock and then pay taxes on it? And people were like, do it. He said, okay, I will. So he ends up giving the government $11 billion in taxes, which empowers really awful people. To make a point? I suppose. I suppose.
Starting point is 00:51:40 That's a very expensive point. I think it's so expensive that you might want to think that there's a different motive there i i gotta maybe he's been waiting to liquidate those assets and this gave him a good reason to do it etc you never know you never know when he's making tweets about crypto i don't think he cares about the money you know there's a certain amount of money where you don't care but hit but to him money means mars money means space money means advancing the universe. Just like you tell me, Tim, you tell me you're not all about the money.
Starting point is 00:52:09 What you're all about is building new things, creating new opportunities, starting these nonprofits, having a serious impact on the world. You're a philanthropist already. He's a philanthropist and somebody who's working towards the betterment of society, I believe. Sure, sure. So what I was going to say in the Babylon Bee interview, he talks about how he came to be worth so much money and the richest person in the world. I believe. investors decided the company was worth $1 trillion, so my stock is worth $200 billion. I didn't do anything. I don't have any money. They've just decided that.
Starting point is 00:52:51 And now we get Elizabeth Warren being like, he's not paying any taxes because she is a despicable person. Because you know she knows. She sold out Bernie Sanders and they still- You know she understands the difference between paper investment gains and actual earned income. You know she understands the difference between paper investment gains and actual earned income. You know she knows the difference between these things. Did the bill pass that had the clause in it
Starting point is 00:53:12 that said that we were going to be taxed on unrealized capital gains? I don't think so. I haven't heard any more about that. Because the bill that says that you're going to be taxed on your mileage driven, that did pass. Yeah. That did pass.
Starting point is 00:53:29 There's provision in there to create a pilot program to test out the best way to tax people on their mileage driven and the number that they were tossing around was insane it was something like eight cents a mile that's like two thousand bucks a year for the average person elon basically is coming out now saying i've paid more taxes in the than any more taxes than any other person in history and elizabeth warren doesn't pay taxes but she'll still keep lying because these people are evil and elon musk did this to make a point but it doesn't matter dude there's a very interesting analysis to be made of who where is it for the betterment of society that the government now has that 11 billion or if elon musk had that 11 billion so that the the young tur that 11 billion or if Elon Musk had that 11 billion?
Starting point is 00:54:05 The Young Turks had on Ari the Rugged Man to capitalize. No! And Cenk was looking at the camera constantly just trying to bait me into a drama thing. I don't think he knows at all who I am or whatever. So what I decided to do is
Starting point is 00:54:22 I had so many people saying like, you don't need to prove anything, Tim. You don't need to respond to them. And I'm like, no, no, hold on. So, you know, the rugged man comes on the show and he says, my experience has never happened. I'm lying. And I'm like, I just find it really funny that like they admit and acknowledge I am mixed race. They admit and acknowledge he is a white man and that they agree with him when he laughs at someone who says, I'm mixed race and I experience racism.
Starting point is 00:54:48 I want that net narrative to persist. I'm glad the Young Turks made that video. God, those guys are so trashy. So I did a video with my sister and I put it up at 1 p.m. on youtube.com slash timcastnews, 40 minutes long, where we basically talk about our childhood growing up and why I wanted to address the Young Turks. And I didn't do it to prove any point necessarily to them. I don't need the Young Turks to believe me. I need you to believe me.
Starting point is 00:55:17 What I mean by this is when the Young Turks come out and they say Tim Pool lied and made all this stuff up, there will be people watching saying, yeah, I wonder if he really did lie and make that stuff up. And I'll say, okay, I will have my sister on and we will talk about everything we've been through as embarrassing as it is for my family and whatever people end up thinking about us because I'm telling you the truth. And I want people to then look at the young Turks and see how they're despicable racists. And I want them to look at me and my family and say, these people are talking about the true struggles they've been through. The reason I bring that up is because when people started commenting and saying like, you don't need to prove anything to them, they are 100% correct. I didn't do it to prove anything to
Starting point is 00:55:58 the Young Turks. I did it so regular people can see it. I kind of feel like Elon might be doing some of that to sort of like let people know he's not that guy, you know, to use the meme. He's not the dude who's going to exploit everybody and take all this money and that he's more interested in going to space. And it just so happens he has this money. I do kind of feel like part of it, though, was to prove a point to the Democrats. And he gave the government money, which he didn't need to do. He did not need to sell billions of dollars in stock and then pay the government all this money. He could have just kept it in stock and said, I have no reason to take the money out. I mean, if he's paying $11 billion in taxes, how much did he liquidate and how much did he end up in his pocket?
Starting point is 00:56:41 You've got to sell a lot of stock to pay $11 billion in taxes. $11 billion in taxes. Like 20%, right? 20% capital gains or is it a little bit higher? Yeah, I think it's 28% because it might be higher than that. It might be way higher than that
Starting point is 00:56:51 because of Biden. It might actually be like $40 or something. So he netted a good bit. Yo, people need to understand what a billion dollars is. It's a thousand millions. It's crazy. You would not be able to spend it.
Starting point is 00:57:06 I'm not exaggerating. You would not be able to spend it. I'm not exaggerating. You would not be able to spend it. People don't get this, man. There was this thread about... Well, it depends on what you're doing, right? Because that new Tesla factory apparently is like some 10,000 football fields and sides. I mean, I'm exaggerating, but I think it's something as insane as that, right?
Starting point is 00:57:21 I don't think you'd be able to spend it. As an individual consumer. As an individual. So if you as a business are seeking to build a factory that's 1,000 football fields or whatever, there's going to be way, the logistics in that is going to be
Starting point is 00:57:39 way beyond one person making a purchase. This is going to be a massive undertaking of different companies and different CEOs. An individual would not be able to spend that money. Elon Musk liquidating this money, he's probably shrugging saying, I don't know. Because, bro, a super yacht, what do those go for? Like $30 million or something? $30 million?
Starting point is 00:57:58 So what, you got $970 million left? It's like, I guess you can buy 10 of them, but then you got to maintain them. It's just there's a certain amount of wealth where you're sitting there confused as to what you're even doing. Well, you have to hire people to figure out how to spend it. Yeah, I guess. You hire people to figure out how to manage it. You hire people to figure out how to spend it.
Starting point is 00:58:16 And then you hire people to figure out how to defend it and then where to invest it. This is where the idea of a family office comes in. These people literally have to hire folks to manage their money. For what? For philanthropy eventually, right? I suppose. You know, I feel like when you're at the point where Elon's at, I wonder why doesn't Elon take a billion dollars and say,
Starting point is 00:58:35 who wants to start a media organization to go after the fake news and the liars? Well, I mean, isn't he? I know Peter Thiel, at least, has used some of his money to his foundation, which is for education, which is to produce new entrepreneurs. So they're giving pieces back. I think maybe they have different priorities. They have different priorities in terms of what their philanthropy can do and how it can affect the world. For sure.
Starting point is 00:58:57 These are smart guys making calculated decisions. There's no question about that. If I had a billion dollars, I would know exactly how to begin allocating things towards solving a lot of these problems and so i suppose it's as simple as elon musk wants to go to mars he has a he has a different perspective on what the problems are and that's something his company has to do but my point is to be someone like elon and know they're lying know the media lies all the time yeah and to have the ability to effectively snap your fingers and challenge that machine.
Starting point is 00:59:29 But he can already do that with Twitter and social media. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, he can't. Look, how much did Bezos buy the Washington Post for? A couple hundred million? Yeah, peanuts, basically. Peanuts? Well, I mean, relative to his net worth. Elon Musk could be like, I could fund that three times over
Starting point is 00:59:43 and set up three Washington Post operations that'll operate indefinitely. The Guardian operates off an endowment. They just generate interest off of all the money they have that helps fund everything. Elon Musk could literally be like, okay, here's a billion dollars
Starting point is 00:59:57 towards the Babylon Bee guys. Hey, you know people who are challenging the machine. You guys make jokes about it all day. Figure it out. Maybe he doesn't see it as a problem like you do. Maybe it's just not on his radar. And maybe he's being more efficient with his capital allocation.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Who knows? Maybe you just can't be everything to everybody. Why am I over here carrying water for you? I have no idea. I think he's a cool dude. I like him. I don't think he's perfect. I think he does a lot of dumb stuff.
Starting point is 01:00:22 But I think he's a good dude. And I think he's genuine. He wants to try and he wants to be honest. That's think he's perfect. I think he does a lot of dumb stuff. But I think he's a good dude. And I think he's genuine. He wants to try and he wants to be honest. That's why he's giving away all – that's why he liquidated these assets and is paying the billions in taxes. You know what I liked about the fact that he did the Babylon Bee interview? He's like, oh, well, I read all your stuff. It's not like he needs to go on the show to sell anything or to pimp anything or whatever, but he goes on the show because he quoted back to them their own headlines. And the one guy was like, wow, you know our content better than we do.
Starting point is 01:00:56 And that's just hilarious to me. It really was actually humanizing. Maybe he did it just for fun, but maybe it's the same reason that Northrop Grumman puts advertisements on Hulu, just so that we all just get accustomed to thinking Northrop Grumman is a good thing, because I'm not buying F-16s. I don't know about you. Someone super chatted, if I had Elon's money, Gundams would be real and functional. Do you know what a Gundam is? A Gundam? A Gundam.
Starting point is 01:01:18 Is that like a gun kingdom? It's a gigantic robot from an anime. Oh, okay. And the pilots are in gigantic, mechanized giant robots. Like Voltron kind of? Yeah, exactly. Yes. I tweeted at Elon Musk why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet?
Starting point is 01:01:34 And he responded, building Starship. And then I said, that is an acceptable response. That is acceptable. That's cool. Because my point was basically like, why aren't you going crazy? You're an eccentric dude. why aren't you going crazy? Like you have, you're an eccentric dude. Why aren't you just being like, it is time. Work, dude, work.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Work is life. Yo. And if you're that guy or if you're me or if you're somebody else who's working nine to five, work is life. Get up, work hard, be tired. That is the key to success. I get it. Bro, if I had a billion dollars, you know what I would do? I would hire a prank monkey like Mr. Burns.
Starting point is 01:02:06 You ever see that Simpsons episode where he hires Homer as his prank monkey? No. Don't snort. And then he's like, Homer, splash Lenny. And then he does. And then Mr. Burns laughs. And then Homer splashes Carl. And he goes, good God, man, that's Carl.
Starting point is 01:02:21 And then he helps Carl to the chemical wash. You know what I would do? I'd hire a prank monkey. What would their job be? I'd's like, he helps Carl to the chemical wash. You know what I would do? I'd hire a prank monkey. What would their job be? I'd be like, I want you to just culture jam. Buy billboards. Culture jam. Buy commercials.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Do things that shock people out of their routine. I want someone driving down Sunset Boulevard to see like a billboard that is confusing, as confusing can be. Just weird, disruptive, confusing stuff. Just kind of like to shake society by the shoulders and be like, this is nuts. You know what I would do if I had a billion dollars? I would buy every billboard in Times Square and say vaccine mandates are wrong. You know, that's an interesting thing to consider.
Starting point is 01:02:59 It doesn't cost that much money. Would they sell them to you, knowing that that's what you were going to say? Didn't Veritas have one? Yeah, they did, I think. Project Veritas, didn't they get a Times Square thing? I don't remember. I do remember they had a billboard. I don't know if it was.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Did you see the funding that they achieved for this? $22 million. Bro, that is a good chunk of change. That is a lot of operatives in the field. Yeah, Veritas had a Times Square billboard. Oh, snap. Yeah, COVID gangbusters with their ratings. Yep.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Twitter banned us. They can't ban the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Money talks, baby. Maybe some of them wouldn't, but you could do so much to change the world for the better if you had this money, and they don't do it. But you, sir, are doing it bit by bit with what you and they don't do it but you sir are doing it bit by bit with what you got they do do it do do and they do do all over it mckenzie bezos putting
Starting point is 01:03:52 billions of dollars into critical race theory right yeah it's just the problem is even jack yep that's right he funded that that academy or something jack dorsey funded Ibrahim Kendi. Yep. To the tune of millions and millions and millions of dollars. That means Jack Dorsey is on the wrong side. Jack Dorsey is evil. Jack Dorsey is trying to lead America off the cliff. He's trying.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Well, I think what you basically have is a really dumb guy. Jack? Yeah. Who's like leading people towards their destruction thinking he's helping them. Nose piercing. Oh. You know. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:29 I don't mean like – I guess it's a little bit too blunt. Dumb guy. Come on. Ignorant. Ignorant. There you go. Big difference. That's what I was saying.
Starting point is 01:04:37 A little too low brow. A little too blunt. Right. I think in a lot of ways he's a smart dude. He started Twitter and he started Square and they're very successful. Square is one of the most successful financial processing companies. But to be as blind and ignorant in politics and to fund this evil, like, come on. Dumb might be a little blunt, but it's a little emotional too.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Where's Peter Thiel and Elon Musk doing the inverse? Elon Musk goes in the Babylon Bee. Okay, Elon, dude, give the Babylon Bee guys like $100 million. I think Peter does a lot of stuff behind the scenes. Sure. I think so. He funds things. He pushes agendas.
Starting point is 01:05:15 I think he's more savvy in this regard than Jack for sure. Elon Musk, give the Babylonlon b a hundred million dollars but look but look but look we're we're suffering from the same problem that a lot of people have which is like why won't that guy do something the thing is is that you're already doing something i'm not diminishing i just don't have a million dollars i'm doing what i can do everybody needs to do what they can do they have to do their little part they have to do their medium part they have to do their big part and we can't just sit medium part. They have to do their big part. And we can't just sit around and be like, well, why doesn't the trillionaire do it?
Starting point is 01:05:51 And that's not you and that's not me and that's not the people that we know. But I just, you know, I think it's very easy for people to take the position of like, well, why isn't he doing it? When is the savior going to come? When is the daddy figure going to come fix everything for us? You have to, as Ronald Reagan said, all meaningful change, positive change in America starts at the dining room table. I get it. And that's where we have to start. I agree. But what I mean is, so we're certainly doing stuff. We've got two foundations.
Starting point is 01:06:17 We've got the technology foundation, which is the on foundation, which is building tech. We've got an alpha that's in production, which will create a decentralized social media system. It will effectively, effectively give everyone a snap of a finger subscription website that interlinks with other websites. So you'll never be banned that you go on Patreon, you can get banned. You go on locals, you can get banned. You go to any one of these platforms, you get banned. If you own the space, if you own the domains and own all that, they have to ban you one at a time. The domain host has to remove your domain. The server company has to kick you off the servers.
Starting point is 01:06:49 All of those things have to have your cloud storage. If you have all of these decentralized, it's harder to remove you. And you can even own the servers in your own home. That's the one thing we're doing. We also have the Truth in Media Foundation, which is going to be a fact-checking website. And we are going to fact-check all of these deceptive and manipulative news articles. They say, oh, we're trying to stop misinformation. We're like, well, we're going to do that. We're actually going to do it. And we're going to track and we're going to label these companies. That's something that
Starting point is 01:07:18 I can do, and it's not easy to do. It's been very expensive, filing all this stuff, dedicating all the hours to doing the paperwork, to running two different nonprofits. It's massive. It's been very expensive. Filing all this stuff, dedicating all the hours to doing the paperwork, to running two different non-profits. It's massive. And I don't have a billion dollars. No. That's what I'm saying. As this company grows and more and more people become members at TimCast.com and support our work,
Starting point is 01:07:37 those funds are being allocated towards expanding the work we do. So like, what's the expense that we have? Like we have all these members, we're making money. I'm building a production facility in West Virginia. That's going to do multiple things. One of the reasons why I want to do West Virginia, freedom. One of the other reasons I want to do West Virginia, I want to bring good jobs to the area. I want to help people in the area. I want to improve the economy. And West Virginia is one
Starting point is 01:08:04 of the poorest states in the country. So I thought this is an excellent opportunity because you've got good land, you've got good people, you've got freedom. We've got people who share values and we can empower this in more ways than just having a news company. One of the ways to empower our ideals is to make sure there are good jobs and a good economy for the people who agree with us on our ideals. So for every dollar I put in to this area, that dollar goes to a contractor who lays concrete. He spends that dollar at the local burger shop for lunch. The burger shop then gets to hire a contractor to fix their building. All of that stays and circulates in that economy, and I want to bring that economy out here.
Starting point is 01:08:40 That's awesome, Tim. I remember on our very first time when I was the first guest on the show back in February 2020, I brought up my dream of building a village, 80 acres with a river, with a canal through it. That's all you need. You could put tens of thousands of people there. And, dude, kudos to you for really pushing that ball forward. We've been looking at land in West Virginia and southwestern Virginia and trying to move things forward. My timeline is a little slower than yours because of my kids and proximity and all that. But nice work, bro.
Starting point is 01:09:10 There's like 100 acres for like 300 grand. Yeah. I'm not going to pretend like for the average person, they could just snap their fingers and do it. But if you can get the loan to mortgage the property. My issue isn't like the act of acquiring the land. It's like, is it time for me to start tilling the land, right? Because I've got young kids and we've got kids in school and I'm tied to the area and I want to be with them.
Starting point is 01:09:33 I'm hugely invested in their lives and being there every single day. It's just not time for me to move to West Virginia and start tilling the land in every which way, in the info way and building things and such. But it is where I want to be. And my background is in real estate development too. So this is like right in my wheelhouse. So to kind of put a bow on what we were talking about, my main point is we do not have the level of resources anywhere near 99% of even other media companies. Like, you know, you look at some of these traditional media outlets, Fox News, they have a skyscraper. They have all this money. You know, what are they
Starting point is 01:10:13 really doing? They just rolled out a VAX mandate for all of their employees. And people are like, but New York's making them do it. Oh, BS. Fox News could say, screw off. We got more lawyers than you do. Come at us. And the city would be like, are we going to go to war with Fox? Fox doesn't care. Fox bends the knee. So when I'm pushing the limit as hard as possible, you know what I could be doing? And what everyone tells me I should be doing? When we have money come in and profits, they're like, you got to put it away.
Starting point is 01:10:41 You got to hire a money manager. Invest for your future, Tim. Invest for your future. Because you're not going to work forever. And I'm like, I want to put it away. You got to hire a money manager. Invest for your future, Tim. Invest for your future because you're not going to work forever. And I'm like, I want to invest in things that are going to have a longstanding impact for everyone. So when we build this building, this facility, I'll say the improvements we do on it. Actually, this building, for instance, that we have a loan on it, of course. The improvements we've done on it have made it less likely to be sold. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 01:11:04 You put an escape park in the basement we want to we want to be exciting we want to inspire young people yeah we want to make it a fun cool place to be right we want everything we do to be right that's a loss that's a loss for you right like so for example jack brunch i have made money i want to i wanted a skate park bro i got it i mean i like on jack brunch i made one i made money. I wanted a skate park, bro. I got it. You know what I mean? On Jack Brunch, I made money off of one because we had a sponsor, a platinum sponsor. Every other single Jack Brunch, the fact, even though we had 80, 90 people at each one, they're all losses for me because I wanted to deliver more than I was willing to ask from people. I'm talking thousands and thousands of dollars we lost because we put out these massive spreads,
Starting point is 01:11:43 bottomless drinks. I mean, man, we just wanted to make the thing happen. Right. And so I understand this sense to give back. And in fact, we all should be giving back. Charity is a value we should be doing. And if it doesn't hurt, it's not enough. Well, I want to plant trees.
Starting point is 01:11:59 That's it. That's what the tour was about. Now, check it out. You know, the saying goes, society grows great when men plant trees whose shade they know they will never sit beneath. Indeed. A person plants trees. That's right. No, only men.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Only men can plant trees. But this building that we're putting together is going to be fun for us. We're going to have a good time there. One of the reasons we want to do this is because we want to be in West Virginia. Like I said, building an economy and expanding, but also creating an easy way to invite people out. We wanted to do it here. We were like, in March, hey, we're going to have events here. We couldn't do it.
Starting point is 01:12:31 We tried and we tried and we tried, and it was just like, your risk assessment is 89%, and we were getting denied insurance and all this stuff. With the new building, we don't have to worry about any of that. Gotcha. And so this is like, okay, we're going to once a week, we're going to have like a reservation list where you can choose, you know, as a member, you can come out and come hang out at the studio and be involved and get to meet everybody. And it's going to be this big building. It's going to be amazing. 25 foot walls, 36 foot ceiling. You're going to be hanging out with a big
Starting point is 01:12:58 projector screen. You're going to be able to see us in the studio through the big glass window. We are building this stuff because we want to inspire people and make sure our ideas are, you know, the seed is planted and they flourish. It's not so much about just giving back. It's about we get to enjoy what we do and the fruits of our labor, but we're going to leave something behind for everyone else too. That's one of the reasons I think West Virginia is so important. If I were to set this business up in New Jersey and then 50 years from now I'm dead or whatever, who in New Jersey would inherit that and what would they do with it? They'd become like Fox News.
Starting point is 01:13:30 They would be like, we are challenging the establishment. What was that establishment? You want us to implement a VAX mandate? You got it, boss. Now in West Virginia, for at least the time being, people are going to be like, get away from us, freedom. Right. West Virginia, beautiful country.
Starting point is 01:13:44 I'm headed there in just a couple of weeks for the holidays. Love it. Love it. West Virginia, man. Yeah. Good for you, Tim. It's better weather than, look, everybody's moving to Florida or Texas. And I'm like, man, but the weather.
Starting point is 01:13:57 Florida, Texas, and Tennessee. That's what I keep hearing. Guys in the LO have been flocking to Tennessee. Tennessee's all right. From New York, from Portland, from all over the country to Tennessee. Tennessee's all right. From New York, from Portland, from all over the country to Tennessee. It's beautiful, man. But I got to tell you, man,
Starting point is 01:14:10 I think Florida and Texas, I just think it's a mistake. They're overdeveloped. We looked at, I was thinking about getting a small property in Texas and creating an Austin hub because there's so much activity going on with people moving there.
Starting point is 01:14:22 And I looked at all the buildings and I looked at the cities and I was like, is not a good idea it's not it's just another hipster location it would be like moving to williamsburg in 2011 that's exactly right and that's the vibe i got no offense nashville no offense austin but that was that that was the vibe i got and they're on they're on a path to to not being what made me want to go there in the first place. But one of the things I was most struck by in Tennessee was going to like the state capital and going to monuments and stuff. And I live in DC, a federal district with like pretty limited history. Go to a state like Tennessee and you're at this Capitol and you're at the monuments and
Starting point is 01:14:59 you're like all these people, they went and they died in these wars and all their pride that they have. And like, man, that was actually really intriguing and sort of romantic for me. I can't wait to get out of D.C., man. I can't wait. Yeah. I think about West Virginia and this big empty property. And I'm like, you know, I talk about how the colonists come to North America and they land on a barren shore. And they're like, all right, you know, 20% of the people on this boat have died already from the trip. Now we're all going
Starting point is 01:15:28 to start building on the shoreline and another 20% of you are going to die. And they basically come across undeveloped space. I'm like, we got to build houses. We got to start farming. We got to figure out how to survive. And they did it. So I'm like, man, for the past several years, I've been thinking, I don't want to go to a developed hub like Miami just because everyone's there. I'm like, that's easy. I don't want to go to Florida because they have been passing the right laws and everything and go to a place that someone else has done the hard work to make great. I want to go to somewhere where I have the freedom to make something great. Truth be told, it is better laws in West Virginia because people were voting for better laws.
Starting point is 01:16:04 But there are a lot of people who need industry there. Some of the poorest people in the country live in West Virginia because people were voting for better laws. But there are a lot of people who need industry there. Some of the poorest people in the country live in West Virginia. It does have its problems. We're going to change this. In 50 years, there is going to be an economic powerhouse out of West Virginia, and they're going to have very libertarian values. Imagine this. The might of the New York Times, headquartered in rural West Virginia,
Starting point is 01:16:23 all of a sudden, because this is what people need to understand. Just dream big, Timmy. Oh, I'm not even done dreaming. The reason why the media is overwhelmingly left is because they put all the headquarters in big cities, which are Democrat run. The only people who can get jobs there are wealthy Democrat children whose parents subsidize them to live in places like New York City. Indeed. Then you end up with 97% of all media coming from leftist activists and worldview.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Oligarchs going to oligarch. But what happens when you get a giant skyscraper, for some reason, in rural West Virginia, surrounded by nothing, and the people who work there are all like regular, these are people with backgrounds in blue-collar jobs jobs and tradesmen and they have kids who can afford to live in the area, who grew up working on a farm, who started learning how to write or report or do videos and then they come and work in a
Starting point is 01:17:14 media organization. People are going to call you a gentrifier to me. They can call me whatever I want. That's a CRT leftist propaganda. I don't care about that. The people who live there are going to be like look, the people will attract for these jobs who live in the area are going to be like, I worked with my hands. I know what a hard day's work really means. And then they're going to be, those values will be coming out of that broadcast tower. I don't really think we'll build a
Starting point is 01:17:38 skyscraper because I think skyscrapers are impractical. But we're going to, we were talking about finding an old, like decaying city and just buying up property and renovating and then expanding. Totally. And you should do that also in a place where the, you can also run people for a County executive board and sheriff and have your own police and legislature and school system. I mean, yeah, I'm not, I'm not a big fan of politics, but I recognize if we don't do that, bad people will come in. I have spent time researching counties that have a small enough population where I feel like we could bring enough people to move in there to take over the sheriff's office and the school system in order to ensure that our values and our beliefs are propagated. And, you know, it was I was going to say wild, wild country. Is that what it is?
Starting point is 01:18:30 A documentary about the I want to cult is a loose word, but they did. Wild, wild West Virginia. No, no, that's that was separate. White and wild is a different documentary about West Virginia. No, this was about a cult leader, an Indian guy. And they bought up all this property in some area. And then they tried to take over the council, the local board, and all the real estate there. Caused quite a hubbub from the locals, for sure. But, you know, that's representational government.
Starting point is 01:18:55 If you own the land, and you live there, and your people live there, and you vote for the thing, that's the way it's supposed to be. So do it, man. Yeah. We're doing it. I know you are. It's great. Sign up at TimCats.com. Let's just do one more segment before we go to Super Chats on The Matrix.
Starting point is 01:19:08 So The Matrix came out today and I watched it. Maybe I need to get another drink. And it was conservative propaganda. I was triggered. Where did you – did you go to a theater? No, I just watched it on HBO Max. Oh, I got you. It was conservative propaganda.
Starting point is 01:19:21 What? I was triggered. What? And I was screaming. Where were you? I was at an imp? And I was screaming. Were you? But I was at an impasse. I'm sorry about this. I didn't know who to complain to to get it banned.
Starting point is 01:19:30 So, no, but in all seriousness, I'm only half kidding. I don't want to spoil the movie for people who want to see it, but a large component of the film, I believe, maybe it was unintentional, but it kind of casts the left as like bad how i'd have to spoil the film to explain oh man yep how are we gonna review this it an element of the film expresses leftist ideas from the villain's perspective and in the end in the end of the film they outright tell regular people to like take the red pill what like no joke and a core element of the film, they outright tell regular people to take the red pill. What? No joke.
Starting point is 01:20:08 And a core element of the film is the power of a traditional family. Beautiful. Not kidding. That's insane. Absolutely not kidding. And did anybody- I'm going to say one thing that will spoil, that may spoil some of the film. Spoiler alert.
Starting point is 01:20:20 So you have been warned. You have been warned. I'm saying it one more time. I am going to say an element of the film which I believe will spoil a part of the film. I'm not going to give you a plot point. I'm not going to explain what Neo does or why he's doing what he does. But I will just say this. Okay.
Starting point is 01:20:35 Now that you've been warned sufficiently. A core element of the film is that in order for humanity to exist, there needs to be a matriarch and a patriarch. There needs to be a man and a woman working together. Wait. I thought men and women were exactly the same, dude. Not in this film. I thought that actually you could change from being a man into a woman. Isn't that what The Matrix was really about?
Starting point is 01:20:57 Initially. You really think that that was what it was about originally? Come on. I mean, like the guys that made- The character Switch in the film was actually in the film. Right. You know, the character Switch was, right. about originally. Come on. I mean, like the guys that made. The character Switch in the film. Yeah. Was actually in the film. Right.
Starting point is 01:21:08 You know, the character Switch was. Right. Sure. Trans person. I understand that. But the creators, they're trans. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:21:20 And but wasn't it sort of backward mapped onto the Matrix later that the real intent behind the movie was to like extol trans virtues? I wouldn't know. So here's what they say about that. The first word that I think appears in the film is trans. It says trans system operator or something like that. Really? Yeah. And then it says system failure, and you go between M and F.
Starting point is 01:21:39 The film zooms in between M and F. Do you think there's continuity from the very first one to this one, all out planned? For example, Lost. Absolutely. Remember the series Lost? I didn't watch Lost. Fantastic. I just wonder if they planned it all out from the beginning. The estrogen pills in the 90s were red pills.
Starting point is 01:21:56 Really? And so apparently they were saying take the red pill was Take the estrogen pill. You hear that, Manosphere? You hear that, Manosphere? Y'all been eating estrogen pills this entire time. Oh, my goodness. Holy cow.
Starting point is 01:22:10 I knew there was something up with those guys. That's hilarious. So this is from a year ago. The red pill died. It says, look, look, look, look, the Newsweek. The Matrix creator explains what the red pill really is and men's rights activists aren't going to be happy. And they go on to explain. There's a picture of it, I think, somewhere.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Okay, there's not. They're talking about in the 90s, the pill they would take to transition was a red pill. Let me see if I can find a picture. That is absolutely hilarious. That's really funny. Sweet justice. Yeah. Primarin.
Starting point is 01:22:47 Oh, yeah, Primarin. Yeah that yeah estrogen it's red pills imagine if you built your whole brand about brown being red pilled and it turns out that it actually meant eating estrogen wow no wonder you're a b now i don't know like so some of these things can just be coincidences and they and they did they they you know they back that's how attached it or whatever but uh that's what they say i'll tell you this um is the zoom in between the m and the f things is that real it's real yeah and that that's just continuity system failure and there's an m at the end of system and an f and you and it zooms in past them and the first word in the film it says trans system operator or something like that that couldn't i i honestly when i saw that i was like what does that mean trans system operator like what is it i think it's trans to my brain i'm not entirely sure but we watched it again like a couple weeks ago we watched all three matrix movies because like the new movies coming out we were watching they're
Starting point is 01:23:36 good the first one's real good the character switch in the first matrix you know the character switch is what was supposed to be a person who goes in the Matrix and their residual self-image was female, and then in the real world they were male or something. And according to the story, the studio thought it was too weird for regular people. They wouldn't like it. I actually think that's a good idea for a film. If the idea of the Matrix is you have an identity, and when you go in you become an identity,
Starting point is 01:24:03 the only issue is I think people should turn into giraffes too. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. Like furries would turn into Bugs Bunny and stuff like that. But that's an interesting concept for a Matrix because we're going to see that with the Metaverse. But I'll say this. Well, you've already seen it in Fortnite.
Starting point is 01:24:16 Oh, yeah. There's little boys acting with female characters. And nobody actually even – Well, that's every game though. I know, but nobody even blinks an eye of that. So why in the Metaverse would it be any different why would you blink an eye here's the thing about the matrix resurrections i don't think it has anything to do with the matrix at all like the themes of the original matrix do not translate into this movie i'm like it's an entirely different movie they just call it matrix i guess yeah i mean, I see. Yeah, I mean, there's...
Starting point is 01:24:45 I'll say a few things. The film is... hates itself. Not exaggerating. They self-reference themselves, how much they hate making this. What the heck? No joke.
Starting point is 01:24:57 Like, in the movie, they basically say, this is garbage, we don't want to do it. We don't want to make this. Were they contractually obligated? I'm going to go further into spoilers now for some of you guys. So now I'll get into a direct spoiler. It's not a plot point. It's part of the early movie.
Starting point is 01:25:18 I think the first half an hour of the movie was intended to insult and deride Warner Brothers. And then the movie starts. Gotcha. So I'll explain. In the film, spoiler warning again, because I really, really want to, because I'm going to actually give a hard spoiler. Neo is a game developer. He made a game called The Matrix. And he's sitting down with his business partner.
Starting point is 01:25:42 And his business partner goes, our parent company, Warner Brothers, has insisted we do a sequel. None of us want to do it, but they said, if we don't do it, they'll do it without us. Oh, man. So they were basically looking into the camera. Yep.
Starting point is 01:25:58 Saying it outright. And so in the movie, it's that they made a video game called The Matrix. Warner Brothers wants a new Matrix game, and they don't want to make it but they have no choice because either they do it or it gets remade like trash so they said fine we'll be involved and that's the stew i'm watching the movie like this is so dumb the first half an hour is literally them being like they made us do it we don't like it don't be mad at us that's kind of seinfeld there is literally a scripted line that says our parent company warner brothers expects a sequel
Starting point is 01:26:32 that's literally in the film gotcha and then there's it's in the trailer actually not that part but it's where the guy goes to be going back to what all began back to the matrix you've seen that in the trailer yeah that's when he's like they're making us redo this and we don't want to. But the film, I got to say, the left will probably never admit it. But I don't know how else you explain it. That the movie is literally, now that we're in spoiler mode, it's literally, they're like, Neo and Trinity as a man and a woman and the yearning they have for each other is what stabilizes the Matrix. And without them as the patriarch and the matriarch, the new Matrix will collapse.
Starting point is 01:27:12 That's the plot. Get out there and get married, guys. Yeah. That's the answer. And guess what happens at the end? Because I'm going to give you the big spoiler. Oh, boy. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:27:21 So Neo isn't just the one. Trinity also is. The one is the two of them together. It's like yin and yang. So in the original film, Neo is the patriarch who fights and saves everybody, and Trinity is just the damsel in distress. In this one, they both have superpowers.
Starting point is 01:27:41 I was shocked by this. The villain at the end says to them we we will never give up because people don't want to be free they don't want the truth they don't want to be empowered they want to embrace their feelings over facts and then neo and trinity are like we're going to change this world we're not here to negotiate and i was just like what, that doesn't sound like leftist. It sounds like they're conservatives. Right. Fostering a human connection, the difference between men and women, the fact that they need to come together.
Starting point is 01:28:17 They make fun of binary over and over and over again. Really? But like, it's weird because they don't, they make fun of like the leftist concept of it. It's like they acknowledge it. It's a real thing. I'm going to have to watch this. I showed my kids this movie. They did not understand the first one.
Starting point is 01:28:37 But hold on. Hold on. Here's what I think. Lena Wachowski, trans woman, made this film but older trans woman. Younger trans people are the gender non-binary people. Oh, you mean like Camille Paglia style trans? Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 01:28:52 She's a trans woman. She's trans, but- No, she's not. She's a lesbian. No, she said specifically, I am trans. Camille Paglia. Yes. You sure?
Starting point is 01:29:00 Fat, 100%. 100%. But she's the most based philosopher of all time love her to death she's great she's trans and a love so you look at like contra points I think talked about this before
Starting point is 01:29:13 that older trans people believe men and women are the binary and that's why they're trans that's why they transition but younger trans people say there's a million identities you can be whatever from whatever part of the spectrum. I wonder if that's really – like Lena Wachowski is like – An old school trans.
Starting point is 01:29:31 Yeah, who's like there is a binary and they acknowledge that and that's important to them. Trans-exclusive radical trans. Trans-exclusionary radical trans women. I love it. All right. We're're gonna go to super chats Is it time Is it time for super chats It is time for super chats
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Starting point is 01:30:07 Yeah, but I do want to say – so the Super Chats have been absolutely inundated with people who are not – who don't like you. Yeah, I imagine so. And a lot of people are saying things like you shouldn't have yelled at Sydney and all that stuff. And so we'll talk about that right now. But I do want to say one thing too because a lot of people who are saying things like I I can't believe I believed in Jack or whatever, and Jack's a fraud.. I don't care if it's a right-winger who does it. If someone did something in the past and they're like, yeah, I don't think those things anymore or I don't like that I did that, I'm like, okay, forgiveness granted.
Starting point is 01:30:53 Thank you for joining us in the fight for freedom. Yes. If we're going to excise our own allies because of things they did in the past, well, you might as well be in cancel culture mode or whatever. Not that – I mean some people should deserve to be canceled and some people should have to answer for what they did and all that stuff but uh i mean should we just do you want to outright mention the you are here thing or whatever oh well just on just on that that one point like why was it so jarring for people to read that article about me because i don't ever talk about it because i don't ever push those
Starting point is 01:31:22 ideas because it's not a part of my life. Right? It was something that I wrote when I had like 100 Twitter followers. And I was using a fake name. Jack Murphy is not my real name, everybody. Spoiler alert. My real name is John Murphy Goldman. My grandfather's name was John Murphy. Everybody called him Jack.
Starting point is 01:31:40 So I picked Jack Murphy as a pseudonym. And I wrote an article about like one element of my sex life all those years ago that was meant to be seen by basically nobody. And I deleted it like a few months later. And now for years, people have been digging through my Internet trash to like bring it up and to wave it in my face. And the only reason people are waving at my face is because we're having a good impact on society. We're like doing good. We're spreading good out there. waving at my face is because we're having a good impact on society we're like doing good we're spreading good out there and if it felt jarring to you to read this one thing well yeah that's
Starting point is 01:32:11 because i don't talk about it and it's not something i'm pushing and it's not something i advocate after i got divorced dude we just have we we had fun man we did a lot of kinky and crazy things and i don't write about it and i don't talk about it anymore. Joey Salads hired black men to vandalize a car with Trump stickers in it. He staged the whole thing and I forgave him and had him on the show several times. Yeah. Well, I didn't do anything that stupid. I was just having fun with a girl that I just started dating. We were just going out and having a good time and I wrote about it anonymously.
Starting point is 01:32:42 Then I deleted it and now i have gone through a whole many years of growth and transformation and reading and studying and everything that i have said before up to this point is 100 accurate what but people interrupt me well people are mad at you for yelling at oh they're like oh we can talk about that yeah yeah i think they're using a lot of people don't like the article a lot of people are using that because they're mad at you but i think the anger comes from you yelling at Sidney. Right. So here's what happened with Sidney.
Starting point is 01:33:07 So I'm sitting on the show and we're talking and they're joking about reading super chats where people are building like gas chambers and she's reading out loud. Like, how did I build this gas chamber that didn't kill all the Jews that I was supposed to kill? Right. It's like insane. The super chats that she reads. And so I'm telling her this whole time, I'm like, Hey, you might want to read all the super chats before you read them out loud. Right. A little bit of a warning. And then she asked me the question about the article and I answered it politely. I deflected. I was like, that's not me. It's 180 degrees from whatever that article says. And I'd really rather not
Starting point is 01:33:43 talk about it anymore. And then a couple of minutes later, she literally asked me the same question all over again. And I cursed at her. I shouldn't have cursed at her. And I apologize, Sydney. I apologize to her that day and that night and the next day. And she accepted my apology. So I don't know why everybody's still butthurt, but I shouldn't have cursed at her. I should have just used amused mastery and just like laughed at her and dismissed her. But I didn't because I had set a boundary and she crossed it. And that's part of being a man too, is saying, here's my boundary. Please don't cross it. And then she crossed it.
Starting point is 01:34:19 And I told her that I didn't like it. Did I use the right words? No. Should I have cursed at her? No. And did I apologize to her for that? Yes. Did she apologize the right words? No. Should I have cursed at her? No. And did I apologize to her for that? Yes. Did she apologize to me for putting me in a bad spot? Yes. Did Elijah? Yes. Did Elijah and I go out for dinner and drinks afterwards? Yes. Has Sydney and I
Starting point is 01:34:36 talked afterwards? Yes. So I don't understand why everybody's still so white knighting simping for her. She can stand up for herself. It it's resolved and in my mind it's done and to me this is such a nothing burger in my life i am so focused on so many other bigger more important things that uh people chipping and chirping away at me at this are just so annoying when i block people it's because you're annoying dude it's because you have we have we have we have we have to be more than drama. There are a lot of drama channels. I don't engage
Starting point is 01:35:09 with them. I'm aware, and I mentioned this last week, the one way to really piss me off is to send me a video about people saying things about me. I'm like, dude, I don't care about me. What I mean by that is I don't care if... I saw the Young Turks thing where Cenk was
Starting point is 01:35:27 like – he's literally looking into the camera saying over and over again, I'm laughing at you, Tim Pool. I'm like, okay, dude, whatever, man. I did a video addressing the Ari the Rugged Man thing. It got 500,000 views. The Young Turks did their video. It got 50,000 views. I'm not saying to bring that up to be like,
Starting point is 01:35:46 ha-ha, I got more views than you. I'm saying when you focus on the work, when you focus on the ideas, when you are talking about what makes the world a better place and what we need to work on, people are interested. People are interested in what can I do to better my life. But Cenk Uygur and Anna Kasparian just insulting me doesn't improve anyone's life in any way and doesn't provide them with tools to make for a better world.
Starting point is 01:36:07 No. And if you're out there and you're listening to rage merchants and all they're doing is stirring up drama and you're just getting angry enough that you seek out my email address and my Instagram and my YouTube and my Twitter and my personal phone number and my girlfriend who's soon to be my wife and you blowing us up with all this nastiness. Like, dude, you're being misled, right? The idea and everything that we're working on here is to help men, is to help their families, is to help their community and their nation. On the way up here today, just let me finish. On the way up here today, I had a phone call with one of the LO guys and we're talking about this business that they started that's literally going to change the world. It's going to change the world. It is going to transform the world. And this is what we're working on. So I'm driving up here and I'm talking to this guy about literally changing the world. And now we're talking about this thing that literally has no relevance in my life whatsoever
Starting point is 01:37:00 at all today. And it's just kind of annoying, but I'm just so over it and not interested in talking about it, which is why I was like, please, let's just not talk about it anymore. She wanted to, so hey. I'll tell you this. Some of these super chats are funny, but I think you even rolled with the jokes about calling your boy Matt and stuff like that. You get it. Sometimes you just got to...
Starting point is 01:37:19 It's like, whatever, dude. I have a kinky past. I'm really terribly sorry about it. And then my girl and I, we got serious, and now we settled down, and now we're getting married, and we're going to have a nice traditional life with the kids and the family and the whole thing. Like, oof, kill me. Like, come on, guys. Get a grip. Let's read some stuff.
Starting point is 01:37:37 Let's read some Superchats. Stairs in a Space Gaming says Daily Wire just announced SCOTUS is going to hear their Vax mandate arguments. Yes. I encourage everybody to stop watching Fox News. Start watching the Daily Wire. Stop sharing Fox News articles. If the Daily Wire has an article saying the same thing, share that one instead. Because Fox News instituted a VAX mandate, and there's no excuse for it.
Starting point is 01:38:01 Oh, but we're in New York, and we have to. There's a federal mandate that has been reinstated, and the Daily Wire is going to be hit by that. And they said no the entire time. Fox News had a daily testing requirement. And where's Tucker? Where's Jesse Waters? Where's any one of these hosts to be like,
Starting point is 01:38:17 we don't agree with this? Ben Shapiro's putting his business on the line. All these guys at the Daily Wire are doing that. I have respect for them. I have a lot of respect for Ben. I remember watching him just sort of growing up over at Breitbart back in the day, like 2014 and 15 and he's, man, that guy is doing things
Starting point is 01:38:32 and he's going for it and he's putting himself out there. I like it. Lori MC says, I am watching The Matrix. I turned it off to watch you live. I think I better watch you later. Don't spoil the movie for me. Merry Christmas. Oopsie daisies. But that's why we gave a really good warning, right? you live i think i better watch you later don't spoil the movie for me merry christmas oopsie daisies did you but that's why we gave a really a good warning right we gave a good warning
Starting point is 01:38:51 all right let's see pm says pretend to take a shot of malort at kuma's corner for me when you go back to chicago merry christmas to all of you oh my god i'm not going anywhere dude dude when i when i was here the other day you ordered a box of Malort from Chicago. No, no. Allison went and picked it up. Was it? Yeah. Oh, I thought it came in shipped.
Starting point is 01:39:12 And then when I showed up for the show that night, we all took shots of Malort. And dude, that stuff is bad. Yeah, it's a prank apparently. It's funny. Gross. All right. Let's grab some super chats here. A lot of the people, a lot of the super chats we got about the Sidney and Elijah thing are people genuinely being like, I don't understand what that was, what happened, what happened.
Starting point is 01:39:36 With Sidney. Yeah, they're like, what happened with that, what happened? But we addressed it. Well, yeah. When the clip, people clipped it where all they see is me saying, you know, cursing at her. But they didn't see the whole thing where I was like, let's not talk about that after I've addressed it. And then she brought it up again. So, you know, it stinks.
Starting point is 01:39:53 And I wish it didn't happen. And Sydney and I are cool. And we will be cool. And Eliza's already talked to me about coming back on the show in February. And I'll happily do that. And I just think everybody here should just sort of put this thing behind them and let's move on. Heathen Airsoft, NJ says,
Starting point is 01:40:09 We don't do drama. You just had a whole segment today about drama between Young Turks, RA, The Rugged Man, and you. No, that's actually not it. I don't know if you watched it or not. The reason why I did that segment was because the ideas were really important, and the Young Turks gave me an excellent opportunity to show you what the left and progressives are. Like I said, I don't care that, you know,
Starting point is 01:40:28 the Young Turks want to laugh at me or make fun of me. But I think it's important that when you have a regular person who's sitting there saying, saying like, who's right? Who's a good person? Is Tim Pool a good person? Are the Young Turks good people? I want a certain kind of person to watch this show. If you're the kind of person to watch this show. If you're the kind of person that thinks insulting and making fun of people and spending your days involved in laughing and screaming in people's faces for tribal points, this show is probably not for you. Have you read your comments, Timmy? Well, I don't think these are our regular viewers. Our regular viewers are fairly well-read, and they often correct us on things. The goal of that segment was there are going to be a lot of people who may be roped into the lies of these people, grifters.
Starting point is 01:41:11 Now, the Young Turks would like to call me a grifter. Many leftists would. I will lay out my entire past with a family member for all embarrassment and for all of the bad so that you can know this is who I am and this is why I believe what I believe. The Young Turks can laugh at me and say I'm a liar and a racist all day and night, but they have no substantive argument. I don't care for the drama between the Young Turks. I invited them on the show. I think it'd be great. I think the bigger issue is letting regular people know here's the people who aren't laughing in your face and here's the people who are.
Starting point is 01:41:40 If you're a working class person in the South Side of Chicago, my story probably related. If you're a mixed race person, I get it all the time. They're like, man, I've been through what you've been through, Tim, that resonates with me. Then if you have progressives saying, you know, we're the ones who are fighting for you, but don't worry if you ever challenge us, we'll laugh in your faces. I want as many people as possible to see that. There's nothing to do with interpersonal drama. It has everything to do with proving who is like who is actually fighting the good fight and who is trying to grift off of you look and tim i feel the same way and one of the reasons that i am kind of happy that we're talking about this old article and like my
Starting point is 01:42:15 hedonistic past and the fact that i used to try to just pleasure seek i was just pleasure seeking is because ultimately at the end of the day that that's not enough. Like you're not going to be satisfied. And believe me, I have tried. You're not going to be satisfied by that kind of stuff. You need to find a higher calling. And I am happy to be the guy that leads people who, who wants to leave that hedonistic lifestyle, who are looking for something more important, who are looking for something that means more to them, that's going to return a higher utility to them as a person and is going
Starting point is 01:42:49 to benefit the nation as a whole. So if this is my thing to bear, okay, fine. But listen to my content now and understand where we're going because I've moved past that and I'm onto something that's really good. And if you want to be on to something really good, let's go. All right. We got Ghost Crusader. It says, Tim, I had to get my first shot today. I live in New York City. I had to.
Starting point is 01:43:11 I'm the caretaker for my grandfather and grandmother. He has dementia, and she does not want anyone else but me to take care of him. I'd rather move, but I couldn't. And that's how they get you. That's hard. They know they can use your family against you to enforce this stuff, and it ultimately results in everyone suffering because of it. It is very hard. People are having to make a lot of tough decisions.
Starting point is 01:43:30 Prudence. Prudence is never easy. It's by definition hard. If you find yourself in that position, I give kudos to you, and please just take some support and understanding. There's a lot of us in the same spot, and you're not a bad person if you make a prudential decision. You're not.
Starting point is 01:43:49 All right. Dee Thompson says, Love your show show started watching nightly a few months ago just finished reading the fourth turning and wow crazy accurate for being written in 1996 right another playbook like 1984 right and mit said that collapse is happening in what 2040 or something right yeah 80 years 80 to 90 year cycles. Yep. Yep. All right. Just long enough for everybody to forget about how stupid the last one was. That's how it happened. Right. Even Lincoln was talking about that when everybody was involved in a revolution had died. No one understood why they were there.
Starting point is 01:44:16 They didn't understand the pain and the suffering everyone went through. Memories are short, despite the history books. Yep. Puddle says, Hey, Tim, would you have a live cast with your family and friends
Starting point is 01:44:26 that you grew up with sharing old Chicago stories? Lydia is a soldier-ree. Yeah, actually, maybe. I haven't talked to the guys from Chicago in forever. There's a couple guys that I'm friends with on Facebook that were really good friends of mine when I was 16 to
Starting point is 01:44:41 20. And so I keep in touch with, with, with, with, uh, this group of people relatively. I don't actually talk to them very frequently, but I'm like, there's very few people I'd be like, Hey, come, come out and hang out. But, um, you know, my friend Andy, I'd hit him up and invite him out here any day. We got a skate park. Andy, come skate. I don't have his Instagram anymore. I haven't seen him in men. I don't know, 15 years, maybe longer than that, man. Maybe it's been years maybe longer than that man maybe it's been a lot longer than that but uh i'd love to have these guys out we could do like um something on the
Starting point is 01:45:09 website where it's just like we all talk about chicago and stuff like that because those stories are really fascinating yeah like when i got shot at randomly and the the more you can connect to other people's experiences the more powerful it is to spread your message and to get people on the right track man do it talk about as much as you can. Be as open and honest and authentic as you can. Why? Because look at the guys on CNN. Is Don Lamon authentic?
Starting point is 01:45:33 Are the Cuomo guys authentic? Is Jake Chapper authentic? Is whatever that chick is with the short hair and the glasses on MSNBC, is she authentic? No. They're not worth listening to. All right. Dragon Lady says, Lori Lightfoot and other politicians make a really big assumption that I want to go to bars and restaurants.
Starting point is 01:45:50 Tim, that was a fantastic impression. Most important. Oh, the Beetlejuice one for Lori Lightfoot. So good. I just want to wish you all a very Merry Christmas. You're good people and you deserve it. I haven't seen Beetlejuice in a very long time, but, you know, Michael Keaton. It's also similar to
Starting point is 01:46:05 Edgar from Men in Black. Yeah, that's what I was thinking it sounded like. I haven't seen either of those movies lately. Maybe I should introduce my children to those. Men in Black. I like Men in Black. Basically, don't feed your kids any content created after the year 2000. The only
Starting point is 01:46:21 TV that I let my youngest daughter watch is Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Always a great story in there. And, oh man, I forgot the other one off the top of my head. Oh, The Nanny. That stuff is funny.
Starting point is 01:46:35 The Nanny? Darn, sorry. That stuff is funny. And it's based. It's based. The 90s were based. I love them. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:46:41 Nicholas Lunn says, Tim, rather than using their language, shouldn't we call them COVID inquisitors rather than investigators? Yes. Austria is hiring inquisitors. Someone had a good idea. They said. COVID Gestapo.
Starting point is 01:46:54 A good idea for a shirt was no one expects the science inquisition. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. From Monty Python. Is that what it's from? The science inquisition? Well, no.
Starting point is 01:47:03 The Spanish inquisition. Right, right, right. The Science. Micah Cook says, I'm going from 25 an hour to 14 an hour here in California because I won't get the jab. My kids will have food. That's only an excuse.
Starting point is 01:47:15 Let's go, Brandon. Let's go, Brandon. Damn, man. I'm never going to eat out in a restaurant in D.C. ever again. We'll get used to it. I mean, you'll get used to it. We'll cook a lot more. It'll be healthier.
Starting point is 01:47:27 Well, instead of buying Choice, we'll buy Prime. We'll have to cook together. That'll be fun. Okay, let's see. Enstein says, in D.C. here, may have to get creative, but compliance is not an option for me. However, the Step on Snack crowd here never shocks me. We finally got our Step step our step on snack and find out shirts yeah they come in aren't they uh top seller already right they're the
Starting point is 01:47:49 best selling shirt we've ever had i love it so step on snack and find out my favorite at the tim cast story you pick it up yeah we've sold like thousands of them it's crazy so good it's a good shirt um we got to get on our shirt game you know i luke does the like overtly political shirts like he had one it was fauci as the emperor emperor palpatine force lightning monkeys and dogs yeah i'm like okay luke's probably selling thousands of these shirts because those are good but we don't do that kind of shirt like i don't do this show to make overt political statements about that stuff like step on second find out is a meme it's like a silly combination of memes and it doesn't it doesn't say anything
Starting point is 01:48:24 about republicans or democrats or f Fauci or anything like that. The gorilla thing. I'm like, I don't want to make overtly political merchandise. It can be like passively. It should be fun, cultural stuff. So that's what we're trying to figure out. I tested positive for freedom, and it's Luke riding an eagle waving a Gadsden flag. Right, where Luke is to scale on an eagle.
Starting point is 01:48:46 There's an eagle, which is to scale. And then there's Luke. He's right on top of that. It's the eagle from Lord of the Rings. Yes. You know, I challenged Luke to a death match before the show. And the winner was the only one who arrived. I guess so.
Starting point is 01:48:59 Luke's not here. He got scared. He did. Yeah, he was like, oh, Jack's coming. Oh, no was like, he was like, oh, Jack's coming. Oh, no. And then he was like, oh, my mom called. My mommy called. There you go, Luke. He was in the chat.
Starting point is 01:49:13 He was posting stuff. Oh, I bet he is. He loves those chats. I've seen him stirring up S in there. He's sitting next to me stirring up S in the chats. That guy. Luke. Luke! You're not my father.
Starting point is 01:49:29 Alright, let's see. Let's grab some good conversation going. Are you trying to weed through the super chats of all the obsessed folks? Yeah, a lot of them are identical. It's like I can read one of them and I read one in the beginning, but it's like I can't just keep reading the same thing over and over again.
Starting point is 01:49:45 People are obsessed about that, man. I don't get it. Interesting. People are strange. I honestly, you know, I wonder about who is we have substantially higher super chats than we normally do. So I don't believe it's our normal audience. Got it. You know, because I think it's people who are coming in here and just just throwing money at Timmy Timmy, hoping that you're going to embarrass me in front of all these people.
Starting point is 01:50:09 That's an interesting strategy. Yeah, I like that. I can only say this. Guys, I'm not on Elijah and Sidney's show. I didn't watch it. We were doing this show when that happened. Yeah, we were watching. And I don't wake up in the morning.
Starting point is 01:50:22 I'm like, I better go watch and figure out what this drama is all about. I wake up and I'm like, what did Joe Biden just say? And what is Pelosi doing? And what is Mitch McConnell doing about it? And what did he just – what's he – what? So I'm spending my day reading the news and reading about what's going on. And I could not get in-depth on this if I wanted to. It's just not my wheelhouse.
Starting point is 01:50:41 Well, there's no depth to it. That's the thing. It's nonsense. So let's read this. We william furry says serious inquiry tp are you hiring i work in medicine and feel so done with being whipped around like a rag doll with mandates and exemptions uh we are hiring and um the difficulty is you know we're planting seeds of these new shows and we're trying to grow them and they're they're you know they're they're but baby birds that we are unable to kick out of the nest they can't fly on their own so the core timcast show is like subsidizing the growth of these new shows so we can hire but it's like everything we hire
Starting point is 01:51:16 outside of this show is a loss and that's what we've been doing so it's like we're taking the risk to try and do more stuff we have the book tales from the inverted world at inverted world book.com it's a bestseller now, which is amazing. Amazing. Congratulations. You're a publisher now. That's right. And that's good.
Starting point is 01:51:31 But as much as the external stuff we've started has made money, it's not covering its own costs. Right. So in order for us to keep hiring, those have to grow to a certain point and it's not easy and it's very difficult. Look, I put out the call all the time
Starting point is 01:51:41 for conservative donors to fund media projects that don't have immediate returns right away. And, Tim, I'm very proud of you for taking this route and investing in things that don't have returns right away in order to move the needle. So kudos to you, my friend. I'm really – look, so the first Tales from the Inverted World book we have, it's like general stories. The next book, The Ghost of the Civil War, I can't say know uh the next book the ghost of the civil war i can't say too much because it would ruin some of the book but shane went down to georgia and
Starting point is 01:52:12 he started investigating lost confederate gold and it got dangerous it got like legit dangerous i don't want to spoil too much but someone died on the crew so no no no no like your insurance must be through the roof one of one of the one of the let me just say this one of the sources in the process in the investigation oh my god died oh my and threats were made and so i'm like this is gonna be crazy dude that's awesome do you have a hot mic where the guy confesses to a murder in the last episode because that was sick dude what that what would that happen yeah no what was the documentary about that guy who was a real estate developer rich guy who went around killing a couple of people and they did this whole
Starting point is 01:52:53 this it was a whole hbo documentary and in the last where they uh durst maybe now i can't remember where they they interviewed him and they were like did you murder these girls no did you murder them no did you murder them no and in the final scene of the documentary he's he's got a mic on during the interview he gets up he's like let me go to the bathroom he goes into the bathroom and he doesn't realize that the mic is on and he's like i killed those ladies but they're never gonna find out just keep lying just keep lying or whatever just keep lying just keep lying and he walks out and they're all like, yo, your mic was on. And he confessed at the end. And it was all legit. It was amazing
Starting point is 01:53:30 on HBO. We don't get anything like that. To catch a killer or catch a murderer or something. I can't remember what it was called. Yeah, man, that was awesome. But so if you would like to get a job, jobs at timcast.com. I'll write your name down. We'll keep a lookout. I am writing your name down. What is keep a lookout. I am writing your name
Starting point is 01:53:46 down. What is the name. William for. Oh I got it. And yeah man we're going to we're going to we'll go through it. You know we look through
Starting point is 01:53:54 jobs periodically we try to figure out what makes sense and what we can do for people. We have 31 employees. Oh that's right. Thirty one. Because we are like my
Starting point is 01:54:03 attitude is yo we got to start planting trees. Yep. We got to plant trees now. Definitely. Because we are like, my attitude is, yo, we got to start planting trees. Yep. We got to plant trees now. Definitely. And then hopefully in 10 years, we got big trees with beautiful shade. And, you know, we'll have like a banana tree. And we'll have, actually, they don't grow on trees. They grow on bushes or something.
Starting point is 01:54:16 Yeah, banana trees grow on trees. Oh, my boy Matt just texted. He said it was the Robert Durst documentary. Your boy Matt? We got you. Robert Durst. Now we know. MK90 says, I'm officially getting separated from the Marine Corps with an other than honorable discharge for refusal of vaccine.
Starting point is 01:54:33 Open criticism of the government and memes. The Corps and people who support this government have lost their honor. It's busted, man. I feel for those people making those tough choices man all right let's see heck that was me and you know what ultimate the resolution was is i informed my children i gave them all the information i could possibly give them and i was like look it's up to you jc says tim do you agree that this started with accepting the mask requirements if so do you regret not opposing that earlier?
Starting point is 01:55:07 Well, it started before the mask requirements. It started with two weeks to slow the spread. I don't regret mask requirements within reason. It's not so much like, are you for or against masks? Well, let me start from the beginning. I agreed with two weeks to slow the spread. Why? Made sense.
Starting point is 01:55:24 We want to slow the curve down. We want to make sure that as the infection spreads, we don't overload our ICU beds because then tons of people will die because we can't treat them. And I said, okay, it makes sense. That was a mistake. That was a mistake. I agree with it back then. Now I would say in hindsight, I realized the exploitation.
Starting point is 01:55:38 It then moves on to mask requirements. Within reason, absolutely. I think they're bad. But I will say my point is this. Ultimately, to put on a mask, to walk in somewhere for a few minutes and walk out wasn't that big of a deal. To undergo an irreversible and permanent medical procedure is an absolute deal breaker. There are certain things where we say like, okay, sure, fine, whatever. It's like, I'll put the mask on. I'll take it off. It'll be five minutes.
Starting point is 01:56:05 I will tell you this now. I will not go to any business that mandates a mask. I don't do it. So out here in West Virginia, just last week or whatever, I was with Allison. We went to a cafe and they had a big, huge thing on the door saying, please wear a mask. And I said, Starbucks over there doesn't require masks. So instead of going to the small business that needed our money very, very much, I went to the big corporate store because the big corporate store was like, do your thing. We don't care.
Starting point is 01:56:30 And so there it is. If I have a choice, it will not be to comply with any of this stuff. So we went to micro center, had to wear a mask. Well, that was tough. I needed to get a GPU. We needed to get equipment for the studio to expand and so i'm like look putting on a mask for 20 minutes to walk in and walk out it's not the end of the world if i did if i had a choice i wouldn't do it but i need to buy this thing
Starting point is 01:56:53 right now so i will i don't like that at all give me a choice i'll say no i went to the mall to buy my wife to be the one very gift i wanted to get her. And I had got to the gate of the door and they were like, put a mask on. And I was like, sorry. And I just walked away. I just can't do it anymore. There's well, not anymore. I have walked out of a hundred stores that have asked me to put on a mask. I just will not do it. I will not give them my money. I will not go to the stores. I will not comply. I've left it up to my kids to make their own decisions because you know what? They're teenagers. They can make their own decisions. But for me, I am able comply. I've left it up to my kids to make their own decisions because you know what? They're teenagers. They can make their own decisions. But for me, I'm
Starting point is 01:57:27 able to be comfortable and resist and I will. Did you get the 3070? What'd you get? Yeah, we got the latest. If I went to a store, a micro center, and they were like vaccine only, I'd be like, walk away. If YouTube emailed me and said, we now require everyone
Starting point is 01:57:43 to have proof of vaccination, I'd be like, later. All the YouTube creators. I'd be like, later. Bye. That's the end. TimJones.com, baby. I mean, I'm just reeling from this notion. I just learned the news today that D.C. has a vax mandate.
Starting point is 01:57:56 Now, I'm literally never going to be able to go to any of my favorite restaurants in D.C. I can't go to any single bars or restaurants in the city that I have lived in for 30 years. That's a thing. Yep. That's a thing. No museums. No concerts. No movies.
Starting point is 01:58:12 No gyms. No yoga. No nothing. You can't even go to a hotel. Right. That's a lot to process, actually. Well, I've got to deal with that in Chicago. It's going to be funny.
Starting point is 01:58:22 We'll see what happens. I have a feeling no one's going to enforce it, at least where we're going. All right. This is a good one. Eric A. says, Tim, I appreciate all the work that in Chicago. It's going to be funny. We'll see what happens. I have a feeling no one's going to enforce it, at least where we're going. All right. This is a good one. Eric A. says, Tim, I appreciate all the work you do in regards to the news, but your takes on entertainment suck more than a struggling actress. Yeah. That's a great one.
Starting point is 01:58:35 That was a sick burn. You got me. But the reality is my takes on entertainment are as pleasurable as a struggling actress. Oh, there you go. All right, let's see. You can spin it that way. Memes, memes, memes. Skimming, skimming, skimming.
Starting point is 01:58:56 Well, but I always do this. This is normal. He does, that's true. Yeah. And we'll read a couple more here. Dan Scope says, I'm 31 and a captain in the military. 12 years of my life committed to service, and soon I'll be starting over from scratch and refusing to follow a lawful order.
Starting point is 01:59:09 Any advice for starting over? Great show. Oh, man. One foot in front of the other. Yeah, I don't know. One foot in front of the other and never stop. The journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step. One day at a time.
Starting point is 01:59:22 Just got to figure it out, man. Look, I want to address one more thing from the article and the stuff that's coming up in the chats people are saying that I use this word little girls and they're trying to make it out like I'm some sort of pedo come on guys little girls is about BDSM daddy little girl
Starting point is 01:59:38 let's just put that out there I'm older she's younger people come to me it's a kink thing daddy little girl get over it guys i'm sorry that i had sex y'all get a life dude geez whatever man next uh i'm gonna keep uh uh i said this a couple weeks ago i would forgive jesse smollett if you apologized yeah i would i forgive joey salad if you apologized i'm apologize for anything. I'm not here to play with stupid drama issues.
Starting point is 02:00:07 Yeah. I want to talk about important issues and expanding and growing and you know what I mean. All right. Alin Jin says, so as a billionaire, Tim, you would just be paying Michael Malice
Starting point is 02:00:19 to be Michael Malice just on a bigger scale? Oh, yeah. Yes, we would. Man, I would be like, Michael, what's your budget requirement? Do everything. It would be amazing.
Starting point is 02:00:30 But it's more than just money, though, I will admit. Michael needs to be a press secretary for, you know, in a presidential campaign. That's right, Dave Smith. He needs – there's positions you can get to without, you know, with money, without money. But, yeah, definitely. I'd just be like, here's a million dollars michael like please continue to be yourself and just do more of this i'd actually be like do you know anyone else we could hire to be on twitter doing the same thing and they would be like tim pool runs this propaganda
Starting point is 02:00:55 farm with all these people on twitter what do they do they post weird trolling posts as i can't i don't know i just make people look dumb i guess. Michael's a guy that I would like to make contact with. I haven't been able to get in touch with him. He's interesting. Oh, yeah. He's out in Austin. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 02:01:12 Let's read a couple more. Let's read a couple more. Wow. We're getting just so many super chats. Just rack it up. Buy me some more top shelf Japanese booze with this money, would you? Yeah. That's what's up.
Starting point is 02:01:22 Eggman says, so if people disagree or point something out that you don't like, surely they can't be your usual audience? Come on, man. No, I didn't say that. I'm saying that if we have thousands of dollars in superchats that we don't normally get, that means there's more people here giving
Starting point is 02:01:40 us superchats than they normally do. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and people who are observing, who are friends of mine or or whatever they're texting me about the chats are like it seems like a different crew in there although i gotta say ordinarily the chats are pretty vicious there's pretty there's like bots in there there's people being mean in there it's an interesting place for people to get their sort of jollies i think it's funny that you know on what was it like november 7th, I said, Joe Biden won the election,
Starting point is 02:02:06 and all the Trump people were like, Tim Pool is a loser, and started yelling at me, and I'm like, well, I guess, whatever. Like, I don't know. People think that I'm going to change my opinions because they're yelling at me in chat, and then people are saying, like,
Starting point is 02:02:18 I'm unsubscribing or whatever, and I'm like, I guess. Yo, if you don't like me, like, I'm sorry, you don't like me. You're allowed not to, and you're free to watch other shows. The data doesn't bear that out, though, does it? Well, no, look, I'll say this right now.
Starting point is 02:02:30 If there's a bunch of people who are watching, big fans of the show, and they're mad at me over my stance on this, then with respect, I genuinely mean this, I'm sorry I let you down, and if you don't want to watch the show anymore, then that's the choice you've made. I can only be me and I will only ever be me. So if you don't like to watch a show anymore, then that's the choice you've made. I can only be me and I will only ever be me.
Starting point is 02:02:45 So if you don't like it, then maybe there's nothing more I can do. Maybe I'm not the guy for you. I don't know. We're going to keep doing these shows. There you go, Tim. All right. We'll read a couple more here. Let's see.
Starting point is 02:02:57 Baczynski says, when are you creating TimCoin and NFTs? We're working on NFTs. We're working on all the art, the portraits we have of creating just like a digital version of the art. You know, we had like some funny ideas and they were like trading card versions and I was like, no, no, no, no. I don't want to sell likeness on a trading card. We just have portraits of people
Starting point is 02:03:15 they signed and we want to post the pictures of them and then give people their like, you know, NFT version of it, the digital version and the physical version. All right. Let's see. Let's get a super chat down here. The scroll time in between chats is longer than usual today.
Starting point is 02:03:35 It's not longer than usual. It's that there's no Luke and Ian to keep talking while I'm scrolling. Oh, that's true. There you go. I killed Luke before the show. It's true. He did. It was bloody.
Starting point is 02:03:44 There is only one, and it is I. Tyler Miel says, would love to come ride your skate park with you from MD. Love the show, Tim. We're thinking about doing an open skate night. The problem is liability. We weren't able to get people here, so we need to get the new space. If I tried to ollie, I would break my ankle immediately. That'd be fun to see.
Starting point is 02:04:03 All right. Let's see. There was one. That'd be funny. That'd be fun to see. All right. Let's see. There was one. That'd be funny. That'd be fun to see. I'd watch that. I could watch that. You'd watch me break my ankle on a skateboard?
Starting point is 02:04:10 No. I'm joking. I'd feel terrible. You are. Okay. Let's see. There was one I was looking for. It kind of disappeared.
Starting point is 02:04:21 Someone must have removed it. No. Oh, okay. Okay. Here it is. So Dima Koleftis says, did you, Jack, make amends to Sydney? Honestly, all I care about. A hundred percent.
Starting point is 02:04:33 I made amends to her within a handful of hours privately. She responded. She accepted my apology. She offered her own apology. She in no way intended to put me in a bad spot. And she acknowledged that she didn't pick up on the signals and the direct request that I was making of her to not talk about that subject. She apologized to me. I apologized to her.
Starting point is 02:04:57 We made up. Elijah and I went out that night. We made up. You know, we apologize. We made up. Everything is all good with me sydney and elijah and we've been dming about this being like why are people still talking about this why doesn't everybody just let it go you know me and sydney are cool everybody else should be cool
Starting point is 02:05:14 the reason i want to read that last one just in case anybody who joined in and didn't know that you like they may have seen drama or whatever and didn't know that you you guys had like you had apologized and everything yeah and i did publicly on my twitter also i just want to say this if you guys want to win a culture war you have to forgive people if you want to lose a culture war you can be like the cancel culture leftists and engage in a circular firing squad but that's why you know when when when joey salads first like tweeted at me and i snapped at him i was like that's a big mistake that's a big big mistake you know joey's joey's got his platform he's an influential guy i should hear what he first tweeted at me and I snapped at him. I was like, that's a big mistake. That's a big, big mistake. Joey's got his platform.
Starting point is 02:05:46 He's an influential guy. I should hear what he has to say. I should talk to him about it. And if he's genuinely saying he's sorry, then I should absolutely work with him on this because we want people to be on the right side of freedom and liberty. And then people are like, yeah, but he's only apologizing because his career will end if he doesn't. And I'm like, well, okay then.
Starting point is 02:06:05 If we can make him be a better person because he's got a fear behind it, I'm like, at the very least, he'll be doing good. That's what I just say, man. Anybody who apologizes, I'm willing to give forgiveness to a certain extent. With that being said, smash that like button if you like the show. And if you don't, feel free to not smash the like button or whatever. But also go to TimCast.com, become a member. It's a very Merry Christmas. It's a very Merry Christmas to all of you.
Starting point is 02:06:31 We have two trees here at the TimCast HQ because we celebrate double Christmas. I like that. Presents under the trees. What's better than one? Two. Two. Yes. And for everybody who celebrates other holidays, much respect to your holidays as well.
Starting point is 02:06:46 Happy holidays. Happy Hanukkah. I'm not familiar with many of the other holidays. Otherwise, I would say that. But we here at the Tim Cass Compound, we're very into Christmas. It's just always been our – I grew up with Christmas. It's my thing. You guys, if you don't do Christmas, much respect.
Starting point is 02:07:01 Do your thing. We'll do our Christmas. Have a good time. And we're going to go off to the city and enjoy ourselves so thanks for hanging out with us thanks for everything thanks for smashing
Starting point is 02:07:08 the like button thanks for subscribing thanks for making this year absolutely amazing the New Year's New Year's is going to be a whole lot of fun we're not going to be
Starting point is 02:07:15 working on New Year's Eve it's a Friday and nobody wants to come so there's nothing I can do about it I was like who are we going to get on New Year's
Starting point is 02:07:21 and everyone's like we're not going we're going to be partying and I'm like so that's what's happening but uh i really appreciate it thank you so much everybody for for sticking with us for the year and watching next year is going to get absolutely crazy with uh with the midterm election so yeah you can follow the show at timcast irl basically everywhere else you can subscribe to this channel you can follow me at timcast on Instagram or Twitter or whatever if you want.
Starting point is 02:07:45 I just troll on Twitter. It's just ridiculous nonsense. Jack, you want to shout anything out? Yeah, man. Thanks to everybody for listening and tuning in. Jack Murphy Live on Twitter. Jack Murphy Live on YouTube. Great podcast.
Starting point is 02:07:57 Very in-depth, evergreen issues, philosophy, politics, culture, et cetera. Jack Brunch, 227, Washington, D.C. Oh, no. I don't know. Are they going to record that? Oh, no. No, culture, etc. Jacked Brunch 227 Washington D.C. Tim. Oh no, I don't know. Oh no, no, no, no. That's true. We'll call it the Washington D.C. Metropolitan Area. We will find the closest jurisdiction to the area.
Starting point is 02:08:17 It may end up being here. 227 Jacked Brunch, J-A-C-K-E-D Brunch.comcom Tim will be there Lydia will be there Ian will be there Luke is dead So he won't be there
Starting point is 02:08:30 No I got a place What's that? I got a place in mind Alright we'll talk about it Yeah We'll talk about it after the show There's gonna be Well over 100 people there
Starting point is 02:08:37 It's gonna be awesome Jacked Brunch.com What day is it gonna be on? It's on a Sunday On a Sunday? It's a Sunday brunch bro I got a place We gotta call him now though
Starting point is 02:08:44 Alright let's do it Alright After the show After the It's a Sunday brunch, bro. I got a place. We got to call him now, though. All right, let's do it. All right. After the show. After the show. Don't announce it. I won't. I won't. People will cancel us.
Starting point is 02:08:50 And I am also here. Thank you for joining, Jack. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Lids. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm delighted to have our show tonight. And I do have to say I'm very excited for Christmas as well. I feel like my life has been transformed over the last little while.
Starting point is 02:09:02 Definitely. So I'm very optimistic for the future. Excited about the new year. You guys might follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patchlands. Excellent. All right, everybody. Have an excellent Christmas. Have a happy holiday.
Starting point is 02:09:13 And we will see you all next Monday when we are back. Thanks for hanging out. Bye, guys. Thanks.

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