Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #448 - James O'Keefe, Andy Ngo, And Libby Emmons Join Discussing The State of Journalism

Episode Date: January 18, 2022

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia host journalists James O'Keefe, Andy Ngo, and Libby Emmons to discuss the FBI raiding James' home, the nearly half of Democrats who think it's a good idea to fine and even jail people who even question vaccines, Andy Ngo's experience fighting the bad faith actors who come after him, and some hope for the future of journalism and the country. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It was just, what was it, like a week ago, we got swatted. And as Luke was discussing post-pandemic civil unrest, a police officer walks in. And I'm sitting here, and I see the door open. I see this cop just walk past, and I'm like, what's going on? This cop's outside the room. Another cop fans me over, and I'm like, are you nuts? We're sitting here live.

We've got tens of thousands of people. And I wondered for a second if we were being raided like Project Veritas had been, like the police had come here to execute some kind of warrant. I had no idea. My first thought was like, okay, they came here exactly when we were doing the show on purpose, knowing that we were in a difficult position. And now they're going to use this because I'm unavailable to basically run strategy. And there's basically people here, security, and they're not going to know what to do in the face of this. And sure enough, the police, in my opinion, lied about exigent circumstances to enter the property and do that check. We had been swatted. There was claims of an active

shooter. But once the police got here, they even say on their radios that they think it's a swatting incident. They were told explicitly not to come in. They came in anyway. As it turns out, we were not being raided or anything. But James O'Keefe and Project Veritas were raided. And joining us to actually talk about the modern state of journalism is not just James O'Keefe, but also Andy Ngo and Libby Emmons. So this should be a pretty insane conversation. Of course, Luke is here. Ian has the night off.

James, do you want to introduce yourself for those that are not familiar with your work? Tim, my name is James O'Keefe, founder of Project Veritas, author of a new book called American Muckraker out a week from today. So thank you for having me back. Thanks for coming, man. We appreciate it. We got Andy. Welcome, Andy. Hi, Tim. It's an honor to be here in person. Finally, I am a American independent journalist who writes about Antifa. I have a book out called Unmasked. It's out in paperback now and updated. New chapter.

Right on. And of course, everybody who's standing behind Andy can be seen on camera. Just so you guys know. And then we have Libby Emmons of the Postmillennial. Hey, everyone.

I'm Libby Emmons. I'm the editor-in-chief with the Postmillennial. And of course, Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change. Hey, guys. You know, the media is pretty bad. I would say just as bad to the point where some people are making t-shirts comparing the media

to the virus. I can't believe some people are doing that. But if you're interested in maybe some of those shirts and supporting We Are Change, you can go to thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you do. I'm here. Thank you so much for having me. This should be a great conversation. And I'm pretty sure that I think almost everyone in here will be in the gulags in just a few years. So welcome, comrades. Thanks for coming. I am also here in the corner pushing buttons. I'm trying to do the sound and the cameras. As you can tell, I'm not doing the best job, but I'm excited to have these lovely people here. I'm stoked for tonight. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member because we're going to have a special uncensored members only podcast with everybody coming up around we post it around

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Yes. And so we're really excited that you're here. And let's just get started. We'll talk about the modern state of journalism. Of course, most of you know we hosted Marjorie Taylor Greene. Within not even 24 hours, we were swatted. Then we hosted, I think, just like the next show, I think, after that was Micro. And we were slammed by a DDoS attack, which exceeded a gigabit, which for those who aren't familiar, I'm actually fairly surprised that was able to happen.

It was like a several gigabit international botnet that attacked us. And so the work we do just on a talk show is, it's dangerous, especially for the establishment, for powerful interests. And of course, the work that all of you guys do is extremely dangerous. And thus, let's just talk about what happened with you, James. You have a development on the FBI raid on your headquarters and you? That's right. Well, the federal judge in New York, and thank you again for having me. A lot has happened since I last saw you, That's right. Well, the federal judge in New York, and thank you again for having me. A lot has happened since I last saw you, by the way. Yeah. You've been raided. You've got SWAT people. I get raided by the FBI. And I'm proud to sit here next to my friend, Andy Ngo. Andy is featured in the first chapter of this book, which the first chapter is called

Suffering. It's called Suffering. The book American Muckrigger. Yes. He's been through some physical violence. I've been through a different type of violence directed at us from the state. 10 to 12 FBI agents showed up at my house in November and took my phones. And we'll talk more about that here. And they did that not despite the fact that we're doing journalism, but because we're doing journalism. And that's how far it's gotten. So a federal judge in New York, the Southern District of New York, also known as the Sovereign District of New York, because they're quite autonomous with their decision-making, ordered the FBI to stop doing that and then order what's called a special master to oversee the FBI, which is very rare.

You can count on one hand how often that happens. The federal judge citing journalistic privilege, Tim, and this federal judge was not a Trump appointee. It was an Obama-appointed federal judge. And what was amazing to me when that happened was that the ACLU defended us. The reporters' committee defended us. The Society of Professional Journalists defended us, which showed me there still is this very narrow

consensus in this country between left and right. So today we filed a motion that the U.S. attorneys argued that we should pay for this special matter. I think we have some wind coming in. Yeah, you can hear it whistling. Whistling. Maybe that's a sign.

Yeah. The ominous wind, right? He have some wind coming in. Yeah, you can hear it whistling. Whistling. Maybe that's a sign. Yeah. The ominous wind, right? He's beginning talking about it. Ominous wind in the background. That's what that was. I don't like that. The soundtrack of our life. Oh, gosh.

So the U.S. attorneys, bottom line is the U.S. attorneys argued before the judge. And before they assigned the Special Master, the U.S. attorney said, well, Your Honor, James O'Keefe is not a journalist. The judge asked why. And the U.S. attorneys, the prosecutors said, well, Your Honor, James O'Keefe does not get permission, consent from the people that he reports on. It's nonconsensual reporting and recording. Wait, what the hell? Which is such an – that's like a two plus two equals five.

But this is what they wrote in the motion. The judge rejected that argument, thank God. There still is some sanity in New York and appointed this special master. But now the U.S. attorneys are saying we should pay. The journalists should pay. The government. This is extraordinary. We should just let the people of America know that at the New York Times, before they cover any story about, say, James, they call him and get permission first. Or before they release Donald Trump's tax records or his personal information, they,

of course, get consent from the people that they're reporting on all the time. You know, it's standard protocol. And definitely before someone gets doxxed. Like when the New York Times tried to doxx Tucker Carlson, they, of course, got permission first. Or when CNN goes after grandmas who are posting on Facebook. Right. Yeah.

They definitely get permission from those grandmas. So this is an extraordinary this is an extraordinary I guess Rubicon that we've not crossed yet. Now they're starting to put people in handcuffs for doing stories they don't want done. Right. Yeah, it's not enough to just censor the stories

on social media. Now they want to come after people for actually just doing the stories in the first place. I wonder what would have happened to the New York Post if these kinds of rules were in place last year. And then the New York Times, and you did a few shows on this since I last saw you. The New York Times published my attorney-client privilege documents. That's a whole new level of insane. We could talk. We could do a whole show on that.

But what's fascinating is that the New York Times actually did an article saying it's a crime to transport stolen documents across state lines. State lines. Well, I guess – that's actually what the article says. The New York Times says it's a crime to transport stolen – which means that every report of the New York Times should be in jail. Yeah. Because that's called – Especially the reporting they did on you. I mean maybe they should be raided by the FBI for publishing my attorney attorney client privilege documents. But look at where the New York Times has gone. They're not adversarial

journalists. When they say that stuff, it's because the mask is off. The New York Times is a mouthpiece of the state or of some kind of establishment elitist power. They have a symbiotic relationship with the FBI and Pfizer. And that's ironic, isn't it? Who was it who was on who was saying that the New York Times, Badia Angersagan, that the New York Times has effectively just decided their audience is the upscale, upper class, urban liberal, and they don't care about anybody else anymore. So that's just what they're going to pander to. I think that's exactly right. You can see in the way that their stories are written, that that's what they're trying to do. I mean, if you read their stories in an NPR voice, it's exactly the same as listening to NPR.

Right. Well, there's a lot to say. I mean, I could talk for an hour about this, but there's a lot to unpack here. Well, so what's a special – so let's start from the beginning. You were investigating – was it a story about Biden's daughter? Ashley Biden's diary, a source. And by the way, most people don't know that Ashley Biden has a daughter named Ashley. And there was a diary – Joe Biden has a daughter named Ashley. I'm sorry. Joe Biden has a, a source. And by the way, most people don't know that actually Biden has a daughter named Ashley. And there was a diary.

Joe Biden has a daughter named Ashley. I'm sorry. Joe Biden has a daughter named Ashley. And a source sent us this document, this diary. And we looked into it. I made the decision not to publish it because I couldn't verify with 100% certainty that it was hers. I was like 99 or whatever percent, but I wasn't 100%. And even if I could verify that it was Ashley Biden's diary, I couldn't verify what she wrote

in the diary happened. She talked about having inappropriate showers with her dad. Whoa. Does that mean that she's... Wow. What does that mean? And I felt like... And by the way, this is the crazy part about this Twilight Zone dystopian series of events. Someone sends me something. I try to corroborate it.

I'm unable to. And I say, well, let me try to give this back to her. She wouldn't take it, so I give it to law enforcement. What more could a responsible, ethical journalist, let alone human being, do? And that's the scary part. What ought I have done? What should I have done? But then they raid me. And people come to my home at 6 a.m.

I'm not a morning person. My first thought when they open up, my first thought was, sorry to bang on the table, but I'm a show person, is how much time do I have until they break the door down? And I'm waking up.

I'm pounding. I'm waking up and I'm thinking, okay, let me run to the door like in my underwear. And then I go to open it. And then before I turn the door, and I'm thinking, okay, let me run to the door in my underwear. And then I go to open the door. And then before I turn the door, I'm like, are they going to shoot me? How do I do this in a way where I don't get killed?

And I open the door, and there's all these bright lights, and they put me in handcuffs. Were you in your underwear? Yes. I mean, I'd just woken up. Yeah. And then they throw me against the hallway wall outside my apartment. My neighbors are – this is i think i'm under arrest but for what what have i done they actually arrest you and take you they put me in handcuffs and at and then eventually they showed me a search warrant wow on the search warrant it listed i'm not making this shit up accessory after the fact

and miss prison of a felony accessory after the fact and misprison of a felony. Accessory after the fact. These are, they haven't been charged with anything, but these are absurd insinuations of a crime. Again, if it's a crime to be sent a document, which may or may not be stolen, then you might as well jail all the journalists in America. So there was a theory, James, what was happening here.

I mean, obviously you made the right moves. You went to the authorities. You weren't sure, so you didn't publish. You did everything right here, but they still decided to raid you. And people are theorizing that they did this because there could have been federal agents that were the ones that originally sent you this diary to kind of set you up to get an excuse to get into your electronic devices because they knew potentially someone else was reaching out to you for a bigger story that they

needed to stop. That's one of the theories out there. Do you think that's true? Because every step of the way here, the feds acted incorrectly. I don't want to speculate. I don't want to. That is a theory. Is it a pretext? Is it a form of intimidation? I mean even the New York Times reporter Mike Schmidt was like stumbling and bumbling and fumbling on MSNBC when asked, well, would they really raid the home if it wasn't actually Biden's – a diary? A diary? It's just so crazy. There's no answers. Does that authenticate the diary then? I would think so. And that then implicates, well, then you've got witness corroboration,

if the diary is true, about inappropriate behaviors with children from President Joe Biden. It wouldn't be the first time there have been these insinuations. I've seen the videos. Neither. Persistent sniffing. James, I do want to say that I think you made the right decision in passing up on the contents of the diary when you were originally in possession of it. What I tell young journalists and new journalists is that if you cannot 100% verify something, you don't report it out. Correct.

Even on that 1% of doubt, and that means often you miss out on scoops that end up being accurate that other people pick up and it's unfortunate and it's disappointing when that happens but um i i wish the new york times had your standards i wish cnn and msnbc because they'll just say like you know source says i i love when they'll say like a source close to donald trump's people familiar with the matter people familiar with trump's thinking have said he said he wants to beat children or some insane nonsense. Tim, the New York Times, Andy, the New York Times did a story about they published the attorney-client memos. And a judge in New York has done an extraordinary act of telling them to sequester those attorney-client memos. And the New York Times wrote a headline that said,

Documents show how far deceptive reporting practices could go before running afoul of federal laws. Do you know another way to say that? We check with lawyers to make sure everything we're doing was legal. But do you see how they worded it? It's not so much that they lie. It's that they use this sort of, you have to like twist the newspaper article a little bit to know what they're saying.

They don't say what's false. They omit. So that statement's true, right? But it's framing. It's framing it. It sounds like we skirted the law. And that's the scariest part about this whole ordeal, because it was a little terrifying, is that what was I supposed to do? You think, hindsight, right? What more could we have done? We even called, we even contacted the Biden campaign and tried to ask for comment, but the New York Times framed that as leverage.

We tried to leverage the diary. And then Rachel Maddow said, we tried to extort the president. So a request for comment becomes leverage, becomes extortion. Do you see how the game is played? And it's very terrifying at times. I will say too, not to derail too much, but CNN's ratings are down 90%. In the key demo, they barely get viewers at all. It's probably just hotel lobbies. So I don't know if that's any consolation. It's probably not. But when Rachel

Maddow talks and these stories break, I don't know if it's going to matter in five or ten years because they're losing. Yes, but when you have a dying animal, they usually act the most violent right before they die. Well, and that's what they're doing. They're giving up all of their standards. Yes, and then when we look at the state, it is in a place that's extremely vulnerable. The official story, the official narrative that they told us for two years now is breaking, shattering right in front of our face. And then people are realizing, hey, we were lied to.

Throughout recorded human history, whenever there's pandemics, usually it leads to civil unrest. So there's a big probability that this is going to happen here. And I think they're trying to hit the mole with the hammer as much as they can. There's a lot of moles popping up, but I think there's a lot of anger by the state. Within minutes, the handcuffs were still, my wrists were still sore. Within minutes of this happening, I got a text message from Mike Schmidt at the New York Times, national security reporter. How the hell does he know the contents of a secret grand jury subpoena? And why the hell are they leading me to the execution chamber? I am on the same team as these people.

We are supposed to be speaking without fear or favor, which was the quote from Adolf Ochs or whatever his name was, the founder of the New York Times. I'll just mention Project Veritas had one of the most important stories, probably of our generation, the ABC Amy Rohrbach story with Epstein, which contributed to this major investigation, which ultimately I think the Maxwell case is kind of being covered up. We can get into that stuff.

But Veritas, that's not partisan. When you report on the story saying, this is a journalist saying, I had the interview, I had the story, and it didn't get out, that was exposing powerful establishment elites, covering up a very serious scandal as an understatement. That's right. But why is the New York Times going after you?

It's not just the New York Times. I mean, it is all of these news outlets that falsely frame everything about Veritas in an effort to harm you when you're doing stories about powerful corporations. And it's also social media. Journalists should be on your side. And it's also all the social media companies.

Right. Have come after you, and they recently pulled one of your employees off as well. Eric Sprackman is standing in the room with me. Although I will say, and I want Andy to get in here, but we've trended on Twitter almost every story we've done. That's correct. The story we did last week on the Pentagon Papers. Department of Defense documents, which effectively are Pentagon Papers, trended number one on Twitter. I'm banned on Twitter.

Project Veritas is banned on Twitter. But what do you think, Andy? Well, it's not a side detail that an agent of the state is working with media organizations to be the first to break these stories that are extremely damaging, where you don't have to be charged with any crimes. It's the investigation and the reporting and media coverage on it that destroys reputations. What happened to James here with how, while he still had marks on his hand from the handcuffs, he's getting requests from the press for comment when nobody else knows about it.

Obviously, agents of the state is uh working with the journalists and leaking information similarly when when roger stone was arrested and cnn had been tipped off with the helicopter i think i i just i just say you know when you look at despotic regimes and tin pot uh uh democracies like these are like characteristics of it no i mean this is disturbing. And I don't, it surprises me that so much of the American public just kind of shrug their shoulders and, you know, praise these media organizations. I mean, I'm thinking right now, you know, with the states, you know, colluding with these big media companies to cover up malfeasance and corruption. It sounds fascistic.

And I just wish there was maybe some organization maybe that was called like something opposed to fascism, like no fascism or maybe anti-fascism. We'll call it anti-fascist short. And they would stand up to this kind of collusion between state and massive, powerful private enterprise. Yeah, where is that at? Where is the actual – and I know, obviously, duh, we don't antifreeze. But I'm like, where is the actual opposition from activists to say, you know, this is a bad thing? That being said, I will stress, James, you did get defended by some of these institutions like the ACLU. I did.

Because they crossed the line so far, even the ACLU was like well i guess we have to say one of the things that the i hate to put it in left right terms because increasingly this seems to be about good versus evil and i don't necessarily think those lines are clear but the left tends to overplay their hand they tend to take it too far and it ends up biting them in the ass that was a beautiful moment when ben smith at the new york times and if ben is watching this ben smith media columnist new york times defended me he was the first person this was a few moment when Ben Smith at the New York Times, and if Ben is watching this, Ben Smith, media columnist, New York Times, defended me. He was the first person. This was a few days afterwards, and he says journalists should not be cheerleading this.

If you look at that tweet, he got ratioed hardcore. No, put that O'Keefe in jail. They don't care. They just want to jail there. And people say lock her up and all that. I feel like are we so Manichaean that we need to jail people who disagree with us? No. But Ben defended me. And after Ben did, he gave all these other

people the permission to do so. ACLU, all these organizations. And by the way, Ben Smith is leaving the New York Times. Why is he doing that? Great question. And I can also report to you that there's kind of a schism inside the New York Times. Well, it's not the first time.

I mean, the major schism happened when Tom Cotton's op-ed ran, and it destroyed the op-ed section of the New York Times. Barry Weiss left. That's right. The whole newsroom got shaken up. That was an insane thing that happened, that Tom Cotton saying that the federal government should intervene in cities and deal with the civil unrest that was happening.

It broke the New York Times. It broke the New York Times. And the editorial page editor whose name escapes me, the one we released on a deposition tape. Oh, James Bennett. James Bennett. I have a posse. I have my entourage here. We always travel with an entourage at Project Paradise.

James Bennett was actually a pretty moderate guy. Yeah. He wasn't, yeah. And they made him out to be a devil. So I can report to you, because I have sources. Anonymous sources? Well, people I've covertly recorded I haven't released yet, who have told me there is a schism there.

But, Tim, that was a beautiful moment in my life, watching people who hate us. I think there still is some principle. There still is some overlap between the left and right in our society. It's probably a bit reductive or maybe simplistic, but there's two big camps when it comes to whatever's going out the establishment, people who are willfully lying and manipulative for power and people who are blindly going along and maybe just scared. So there's probably a lot of people who saw what happened with the New York Times

and Tom Cotton's op-ed, and they're like, I just want to get through this. The problem I have with these people, it was Clifton Duncan tweeted something. I'm probably going to screw it up. But he said that he's less concerned about those that are overtly engaged in malfeasance and evil, and he's more concerned about those who know what's going on but won't speak up. I saw that, too. I thought that was really fascinating and made a lot of sense right well the new york times are also being kind of eaten up by hedge funds and the people who truly own them i think this is why jeff bezos bought the washington uh times because washington post

excuse me uh because people are understanding this this quote by lord northcliffe when he said quote news is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress. All the rest is advertising. These people are buying advertising. They're buying PR. They're buying favors for themselves, literally trying to brainwash the American public. So their agenda, their narrative will pass and clear no matter how absurd they still push these ideas, because these ideas are way more important than even the money that they put into these institutions that they're losing. What's so fascinating about that, though, is so we're at the post-millennial. We, you know, I kind of think of us as the antidote to fear, right?

We're not corporate. We're a small outlet. You know, Andy and I run stories there all the time. And what's really interesting is that we're getting attacked. You know, we get attacked by these activists who are saying that we are aligned with specific interests, and we're not. They're defending the big outlets, the big corporate media outlets that are aligned with specific interests. And here we are just like covering news stories, covering what we think is interesting, trying to get the truth out there. And they attack us for doing that.

Well, Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post in 2013. And after Google and Facebook snatched up most of these advertising models, hedge funds like Alton Global Capital, everything's been consolidated. Newspapers are gone. Investigative journalism is gone. ABC News cut their whole investigative bureau. And Jeff Bezos, in an extraordinary admission of the power of narrative amplified through big tech, through his ownership of The Washington Post, said, quote, on a Medium post, My ownership of The Post is something I will be most proud of when I'm 90 and reviewing my life.

Not his Dr. Evil rocket ship company. Not his Amazon company. No, no. His ownership of The Washington Post is his biggest achievement. And I found that really an amazing insight into the power of narrative. I think the Washington Post and the New York Times, I may be giving them too much credit, are more powerful than all three branches of government because government speaks through them. Big tech prefers them in their algorithms. Big tech doesn't do any journalism. They just prefer, what do you think? Wait, did Bezos say that before he became a spaceman?

Yes. With his wiener rocket? He's not proud of his wiener rocket? Although he was formulating that. But just one extra point here. It's not just hedge funds. It's not just Jeff Bezos. It's also Bill Gates that donates hundreds of millions of dollars to the corporate media.

They don't need donations, but they willingly take it. And with that money, of course, comes the narrative that they push. If you're one of the higher-ups of these companies, and I've seen this firsthand, and you're looking at your bottom line, you don't care about the politics of the individual person writing stories. You just don't want to lose money. The guys who run the businesses don't care about news. When I was at that ABC News company, that ABC Fusion, their attitude at the higher level was, what are we going to get clicks on? So hire the people who write about the things you think will get clicks.

The marketing guys then said, we've got to do woke stuff. That's the way forward. Okay, then hire young, woke people and tell them to write about what they care about. They didn't care if it was real. They didn't care. I was told, side with the audience, they said. Side with the audience. That means if there is a news story that is factual but would be offensive to the audience, they said. Side with the audience. That means if there is a news story that is factual but would be offensive to the audience, we don't cover it.

That's the modern – like I mentioned with the New York Times, or I should say to quote, I think it was Batia Angar Sargon, that the New York Times has found their audience. They've said, screw everybody else, and that's what they're going for. But that's what almost every organization does, especially right now. I don't care who they are. 90% of all media outlets are like, we've got an audience and we're going to cater to that audience. And that's the inverse of what they ought to be doing. There's a journalist named Clarence Jones and he wrote about journalism that journalistic publishers need to be like bosses with balls. They need to have integrity. At Veritas, we're a nonprofit. People say, what's your business model?

We have, you know, 800,000 people give us money, sometimes $1, sometimes $10,000. But we choose the hardest stories, and we don't settle lawsuits because – and this is the real crux of this book, American Muckraker, secrecy, transparency. We don't settle lawsuits, Tim, because I don't fear people inspecting my operation. Please do depose me. I like being deposed. They don't like lawsuits, Tim, because I don't fear people inspecting my operation. Please do depose me. I like being deposed. They don't like being deposed. Right. Because when they enter a discovery process of litigation, you can see all the lies under oath.

Did you guys know that Donald Trump at his rally in Arizona banned FJB icons and merchandise and shirts and all that stuff? Really? Yep. I got no problem. We have that on TimCast.com. We have a full report where the security guy is telling people to take their shirts off,

take their hats off. So people will say that this show or me or Trump supporters or right wing, I think the SPLC was like Tim Pool is a right wing something or other

who supports Trump. And I'm like, no, I just don't lie about him. That's actually amazingly respectful of what Trump did. I really respect that a lot. Banning FJP?

That he banned it. And a lot of Trump supporters didn't like that. But he had four years of people saying that to him as the president. And I think he probably knows how much that sucks to be in charge of everything and have people keep saying FDT at you all the time.

I respect that. He said this on the heels right after saying that it's hard to criticize Joe Biden because Joe Biden complimented him you all the time. Yeah, but he said this on the heels right after saying that it's hard to criticize Joe Biden because Joe Biden complimented him on all the work that he did with the vaccine. Well, but right. But that's sort of a that's a different situation. I mean, and also let's not forget, like Donald

Trump was a president. He was holding executive office. Has there ever been a president who's really worthwhile? I mean, come on, like this is. I think they should be criticized to the full extent, but we should agree on this conversation. Me too. I agree too. That's the point.

I don't want to... But I respect a former president saying, don't say that about the current president. I respect that. The important issue, I guess I'm trying to get to, is what the media is willing to say, who they're willing to criticize. How often does CNN run, you know,

Joe Biden has screwed this up, screwed that up, screwed this up. They did. They was it. Trump's coverage was 98 percent negative. And don't get me wrong. There is a lot of negative coverage coverage about Joe Biden. And I think what happens is around August of last year, when we saw this flip in approval

rating, like you were mentioning, once someone says something, it makes it OK for the establishment or for the for the for the, you know, whatever you want to call it, democratic position for the most part. All of a sudden, people start ragging on Biden, and then we see some articles popping up where they're like, oh, okay, maybe there's something here. But for the most part, the media is unwilling to step out of line with their own audience. And some of that's economics, and some of that is because there's been a proximity to their sources. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them. And that's the difference between sort of the journalism that we're talking about in American Muckraker and their journalism is to represent, be the ombudsman for the so-called administrative state.

Our whistleblower is release information the administrative state does not want revealed. That makes all the difference in the world. When a two-star general talks to the New York Times anonymously, we don't know the cadence or intonation of what that, we don't know what that person is actually trying to say. And now they throw out these terms, misinformation and disinformation. We've talked about the New York Times lawsuit that I'm embroiled in, which is fascinating because the New York Times admitted, Tim, in the response to our defamation lawsuit, they got the facts wrong and they still haven't corrected the article.

They admitted in court. They got it wrong. The guy had more than three ballots. They said it wasn't illegal. They admitted in court it was, and the article remains online uncorrected. Have there been any fact checkers on this one? Has the New York Times Facebook traffic been suppressed as a result? The New York Times thinks they're above the law.

No, I'm sure. They think they're – I say – Dean Baquet famously, executive editor of the New York Times. Dean Baquet says we don't get religion. The New York Times thinks they're God. Yes, they do. Think of it. They thought they were God for a very long time. What force or organization on planet Earth can hold the New York Times accountable?

Can anyone? They lie. No one cares. Google and Twitter prefer them in the algorithms York Times accountable. Can anyone? They lie. No one cares. Google and Twitter prefer them in the algorithms. I sued them. I sued them. We sued them for defamation and won a victory. And they still haven't corrected the article.

In fact, they're attacking the judge personally and viciously, which is something you shouldn't do, by the way. I was surprised to see that, to be honest, because you're just gonna make the judge rule against you. But the New York Times is probably thinking in the short term, yeah, we'll probably piss the judge off. In the long term, he won't retain power. And if it goes to the Court of Appeals, highest court in New York State, they don't care. And if it goes to the Supreme Court and they lose, they'll say Trump court. Think of it. There's nothing that can hold them accountable. And I think that they are more afraid than I am of them. I know that to be true. But this term misinformation, Tim, I think it's really about distrusting people to draw the acceptable conclusion based upon facts that are admittedly true. I don't think it's about

untrue facts anymore. I think, look, let me pull up the story and get your thoughts on it. This is ABC7. Nearly half of Democrats say fines and prison time appropriate for questioning vaccines, just questioning them. They also said there's, I believe, 45% would intern the unvaccinated, meaning they would take you to a designated isolated facility. I think 59% were in favor of house arrest. So when you see the alignment of the New York Times, when you see the media, when you see that there are this many people in this country who are willing to outright just arrest someone for speaking out against them, it kind of sounds like it's beyond just the media.

There's something deeply rotten, expanding, or growing within the core of the American psyche. It's a core value. It's the primary value of American society, which is part of the American founding. I mean, this goes back to, you know, Cicero. You have to have information to make informed decisions. And that's why the first amendment's first. It's a cliche. I question whether half of Democrats actually believe that.

I think that's probably – I'm skeptical about the amount of people the media is telling you actually believe. What was the actual question on the poll? I suppose that would be a good one to pull up. We could definitely look that up. But I think the scarier aspect here is that a lot of these things that some of these Democrats are calling for are policies that are implemented already in other parts of the world and Democrats and other establishment statists want to implement here in the United States. 29% according to this Rasmussen poll of Democrats supported taking children away from people if they refuse to take the vaccine. That's a policy that has already been instituted

in some places in Canada. When we're talking about detaining people, that's happening in Austria and Australia and in other parts around the world already. So we have to understand that this slippery slope to dystopian, total totalitarian nightmare, crap hole society is very close to happening because of this kind of echo chamber delusional thinking that's being perverse by the corporate media. So what I see happening is that there are very evil people, like James mentioned earlier, it's a battle between good and evil, who know full well what they're doing and what

their plans are. They want to lock you up. They want to take away your rights. And they're lying about you on purpose, gleefully, willfully, and we're having a fairness battle. I don't think that they're going to win on purpose, gleefully, willfully, and we're having a fairness battle. I don't think that they're going to win. I'm actually quite hopeful. Everyone's cynical, and it pisses me off.

I mean, I talk about this, too, in this book, a chapter called Propaganda. Consent must be informed, not manufactured. All serious theories of democracy were a republic, which is also a democracy, including the economic theory hinge on the notion that voters have reliable access to information. I think technology allows us to do that. Again, let me remind your audience, I am banned on Twitter. My organization is banned on Twitter. And our story was the number one trending story in the world. Why? Because of the information that we released. Documents inside the Department of Defense, DARPA, a Marine Corps major fellow at the Department of Defense, wrote about this COVID and wrote about the fact that it was too risky

for the Department of Defense to approve what was going on. And that story, it was about the strength of the information. And I believe that human nature is such that if people are able to see it for themselves, firsthand participanthand participant journalism, not second-hand anonymous sources, I think we're going to prevent society's collapse by continuing to do that journalism. I agree. I think it's working. I mentioned this with CNN and MSNBC having a ratings collapse. Getting back to the darkness of this, when we see this poll from Rasmussen, I do think it's fair to point out that maybe it's a bad poll from Rasmussen.

Maybe the questions aren't right, but who knows. But I will say this. Kamala Harris was raising money through Twitter to bail out rioters in 2020, some of the most extreme riots I've ever seen. When I talk to people, I can't remember. In Minneapolis. In Minneapolis. But not only that,

but the riots were across the country. So when we're seeing some of the worst In Minneapolis. this stuff you you expose who these violent extremists are the media lies about you all of these different institutions lie about you they make things up it there there is there is i don't know how you describe it i call it a cult there they are in they're in line with each other but it's not like they actively collude at a at a national level where like a message goes out and say everyone say andy knows you know wrong they just all do it yeah i i was quite naive in in 2019 before i became more of a well-known figure and i was just regional person in the pacific northwest after my uh assault uh in the summer of 2019 that punches kicks in the the milkshakes the hospitalization for the traumatic brain injury.

I was naive enough at the time that I thought the media organizations would be out to support me. I remember Jake Tapper, I believe, was one of the very few center-left journalists who issued a tweet that condemned what happened to me. And I really appreciated that. And he got so much blowback that he ended up deleting that. Wow, really? And then all the hit pieces came out in a way that seemed sort of coordinated. And James can speak to this. And I was watching kind of in real time in fascination at how they can destroy someone's reputation.

So there was initial outpouring of support for me. So then what happened was a local blog in Portland interviewed somebody and gave this person a pseudonym. So I have no idea who this person is. He accused me of being in collaboration with this far-right group in Portland. So one, I couldn't confront my accuser. Legally, I couldn't do anything either. We don't even know the identity of this person,

so we can't even write a cease and desist letter. And then this damning story and headline, which is false, that was published in Portland Mercury, they never reached out to me for comment, by the way, was then repeated in other publications like Slay and Box, etc., etc.

And then that is cited in your Wikipedia, and then when somebody Googles you who doesn't know who you are, that's the first thing they see. And that is your reputation. I wonder how long it's going to last though. They go after Joe Rogan, the most popular podcast in the world. And the stupidest thing you can do is lie about Joe because the 11 million people on average who watch his show, the 50 million who have seen some of his biggest shows, the people who are fans of MMA and know him or who just watch his Netflix stand up there.

They see this story and they go, yeah, that's not true. And all of a sudden you lie about someone as popular as Joe and people start waking up. And now we're starting to see it. We're seeing a major shift. A poll came out, Gallup released this, one of the most credible polling institutions that as of the fourth quarter of 21 more people identify as republican or republican leaning than democrat for the first time since i believe it was 1991 there actually

may have been a period around the 2000s where it was fairly even within the two but this is a gap now five points right i'm not saying republicans are the right answer or that you know democrats are always the wrong answer but regular people are looking at the establishment they're associating it with one side of the political spectrum and saying, I don't want to have anything to do with that. Well, it's not just Joe. It's Joe also influencing people like Dana White, influencing people like Aaron Rodgers that are going out there and speaking these larger truths, and some people would say breaking the mass psychosis, the mass formation psychosis that, of course, the corporate media in unison

tells us doesn't exist. As, of course, the Financial Times literally calls for psyops. As, of course, even the Canadian Joint Operations Command even admittedly said that they have relied on propaganda techniques used in Afghanistan with COVID because they saw it as a unique opportunity to test out their propaganda techniques on the general public. But, you know, what you were saying about Joe Rogan, that's why they try and silence him. That's why these doctors and researchers and scientists came out to try and...

Not fair to call him that. What? Not fair to call him the doctors anymore. Because the list had, like, a campus farmer on it. Oh, a campus farmer. It was less than 100 medical doctors. Some of them not even practicing. Did they have a PhD? And? Oh, a campus farmer. If I may. It was less than 100 medical doctors. Some of them not even practicing. Did they have a PhD?

And like a dentist. Yes. So the letter written by a bunch of hacks, a few of whom claim to be doctors apparently, they're going after Joe Rogan. They're going after all of these people because they don't understand that the American people can see lies, that they can see these falsehoods that are being forced upon them. And, you know, Americans go after the truth. That's one of, I think, our characteristics.

But I think I want to go back to what Andy was saying because you're talking to a man here who has effectively suffered. I think that's fair to say in some form or another. This is traumatic. I will speak personally. I suffered a kind of a form of PTSD after my New Orleans incarceration. And I was reminded of that after the FBI raid, at least for a day or two I did. People say, are you scared? Well, of course, you're human. I mean, I've pretty much removed most of my desire to be liked by these people. I'm almost down to completely zero. I'm never going to be fully zero because I'd be a sociopath if I was zero.

But I just want to talk a little about that for a minute because it's a theme that I think is very important to discuss here because it is a prerequisite for being effective. I wrote about this, that this is an age where the loss of one's Twitter account is treated like the loss of one's life. Imagine if everyone watching this did not

care if they took away the Twitter account. What impact could they have on you? Your reputation? What does that mean? Your Wikipedia page taking away, deplatforming you? The moment you stop worrying about that and you don't let that handcuff you, pun intended, is the moment you're actually able to actually be free to do the things and do the journalism. And I know what it's like. I articulate this in words better than I can off the cuff. No one can deprive me of my reputation or Andy of your reputation. We've already been deprived of that by declarations from credible journalists. That's not credible journalists. How are these journalists credible? They're credible by virtue of the decree that they are indeed credible because they say so. And to see that happen, it's traumatizing. It can make an otherwise confident man question

your own perception of reality. In the beginning, it did. In the beginning of my journey, I questioned my own perception of reality. But once you get through that and get through the other side of it, which I think you have, I think any survivor of that sort of abuse develops superpowers. Like you're a stronger man than you were, you're a better journalist than you were, and you're wiser than you were. And what I've learned is the moment you...

I've said this to you before, it's a cliche. The moment you really stop caring about what Wikipedia thinks of you and what Jack Dorsey thinks of you... They've already taken away our Twitter accounts.

Eric lost his this week. We have no more Twitter accounts. We're still trending on Twitter. Jack's gone. For all you know, he actually likes me. Jack is a metonym

for whoever the CEO is. But the moment you stop giving a shit about what they think about you is the moment you're free. Oh yeah, it was a magic moment. I remember during Occupy Wall Street, I got a big surge of followers on Twitter and with that, a big surge of people

saying really mean things to me and it was the first time I'd ever experienced a wave of hundreds and thousands, hundreds to thousands of people just saying the nastiest fake things about me. And for a minute, I kind of freaked out. I was like, what does this mean for me?

What is this going to be? What is it? What is it going to do? Am I going to be able to keep doing this? Am I going to be able to work? And then went to bed and woke up, made some food, had some bacon, watched some TV. And then I was like, nothing's happening. It gives you tough skin.

But nothing happened. And then, and then after. Bacon helps a lot of things though. It does. It's true. But I'm just like, I'm like, nothing's happening. It gives you tough skin. But nothing happened. Bacon helps a lot of things though. It does, it's true. But I'm just like, I'm living my life like normal and after a little while I was like, I just figured something out. I can turn off the notifications and then it doesn't exist anymore.

And there we are. Now I just don't have notifications turned on. Why listen to these people? And being offended is a choice. People need to understand that if someone is attacking you, if you're giving them power in that by reacting to it, you're playing into their games. And I think a lot of us in this room have dealt with a lot of crazy stuff. Me and Tim had to deal with the police raid as well. Guns in the face, everything. I was arrested. I was beat up. Andy, you were beat up. Tim, you were jumped. I think, James, you went through your stuff. And then the

amount of craziness that we have to deal with, we have to understand is nothing new. This is something that, of course, the people who don't like the bigger truths exposed, usually those are the techniques they use against effective people exposing them. Look what happened to MLK. Look how the FBI treated him. The FBI literally spied on him. They got tapes of him. They sent him letters trying to get him to commit suicide. And this is the Federal Bureau of Investigations decades ago going after people who are changing society. And I would argue that the world is round and that catches up with the bad guys. Yes, they did all those things to him. And it is Martin Luther King Day. But as

Martin Luther King said, the arc of the moral universe bends long, but it bends towards justice. So the bad guys don't get, I've seen in my life these bad guys, it always catches up to them. You have to get away with it for a little while. But right? So we talked a bit about law enforcement, FBI, going after you, James. But I'm interested to hear from you, Andy. You're dealing with a different kind of bad guy. You're dealing with extremist organizations that are really angry. You've been exposing a lot of their people and their violent groundwork, we can call it.

Not only are you dealing with these people making up lies about you, posting constantly, but physically attacking you and threatening you. So I'm interested in this perspective, your take on journalism. We've heard from James on the institutional powers, but what's happening with groups like Antifa and these other far left extremists targeting you? Well, crucially, what makes them particularly empowered is that the narratives that they are able to spread in the mainstream press haven't really been challenged. You see it every day. So the various riots that happened after Trump were elected were treated essentially peaceful protests of people reacting in anger against his election win,

rather than as people who were rejecting and using violence to voice their opposition to the electoral process. You're saying there was an insurrection among the far left in D.C. where they smashed windows and set limousines on fire and were attacking people? Yeah, so the language really matters, right? Yeah, language really matters. Pay attention to what is described as a peaceful protest, mostly peaceful protest versus insurrection, right?

Like the differences are, that contrast is intentional. And Antifa rely on allies in the press because obviously what they do would be unpalatable for the majority of the public if the public was accurately informed. You know, those wanton acts of arson, maiming at injuries of other people, killing people, carrying out terrorist attacks, such as attacks on government buildings, government facilities, police stations, trying to derail trains.

They actually did derail a train, didn't they? Yeah, there were two convictions last year in Washington State. And that claim. Where is the, I'm sorry, I'm trying to interrupt, but where is CNN headline breaking, New York Times front page, far left extremists derail train? I mean, that's huge, right? That didn't happen.

They didn't talk about it. It was an attempt at derailing. Attempt at derailing. Derailing, but which, you know, the charges was under the anti-terrorism statutes in the federal law. So there were two young women. The claim of responsibility was posted on this far-left extremist group site called It's Going Down, which was banned by Facebook, by the way, last year.

Still operates openly on Twitter. A Trump supporter could fart in D.C. and it becomes a headline story. Extremists attempt to derail a train. What were they doing? They were pouring concrete or something like that. I don't want to get into too much detail, but they were trying to sabotage train tracks which can cause not only excessive property damage, but could kill

people. That's the craziest thing about it. That is an attempt to kill and the amount of damage from derailing these trains, as much as many people on the left don't like to get into the economics of it, it could cause people great suffering in terms of not being able to eat. There are poor people who rely on food coming in and resources from local governments to help them. This level of disruption could have literally killed people directly involved in the train

and then have massive repercussions for the poor and the suffering in these cities. No news coverage. Where is it? Where's the big story? Where's the national conversation? Where's CNN to go out and be like, this is insane. These conversations, it doesn't happen. Yeah, well, the point you're making is sometimes by not reporting, you are reinforcing a particular narrative. And that's what happens. And there are so few people who are focused on the Antifa beat that it makes the few of us who do it really subjected to actual violence, continued threats of violence and threats of violence against our family.

And if you happen to live in a city that I lived in, Portland, Oregon, where, in my view, the rule of law is compromised, the police departments don't have the resources to respond, and the local government is so corrupt that they express support for these extremists, then you have essentially a sort of approval from state actors. Why do you think that other outlets and other journalists don't want to cover these guys? Because a few journalists who have, who are from establishment press,

experience what it's like to be suddenly targeted online. So you think it's a fear thing? Yes. They don't want to do it because they're afraid. It's also an ideological thing, I think. For lack of a better word, communism. Communists don't want to breach discipline. For it to do so, it would be an act of blasphemy.

Like when Jake Tapper takes his tweet down. Why does he do that? That's crazy. Why does he do that? Where's the principle? I tweet stupid things all the time and get mocked for it. I just leave them up. I don't care.

I'll delete something if I tweet it right away and there's typo or like a word is it's not phrased properly but i get people being like oh your tweet so now i'm like i don't know whatever i said it you know they they have this is the challenge of our brave new world that they will inflict almost any type of injustice for their cause it defies reason it defies logic. And I have respect. I mean this in kind of a dark way. I have so much respect for them. I just got interviewed as a Christian magazine earlier today.

And they wanted advice. I'm like, grow a pair of balls. You guys love going to church, but beyond praying, what the hell are you doing? The communists have faith. And it's a faith that they live or die by. They're willing to give up their lives for their cause. Are they really? Who?

They're willing to burn down buildings. They're willing to burn down buildings, but they're not willing to give up their lives. Some of them may. No, we've seen – look, we've seen – Some of them may. Giving up their lives. They're willing to be incarcerated. I mean, history is replete well i'm talking about recently so i mean

if we look at for example um protests at the capitol for example i was talking to an attorney marina medvin who represents you guys probably know who she is represents some january 6th protesters or rioters whatever you want to say and And there's this rabbi who she's representing who is being charged with parading and it's a misdemeanor. And her argument, he's, you know, they're trying to sentence him to this long prison term. Well, longer than necessary, like six, I don't know, some days prison term. And her argument is that people who were arrested for protesting in the

Capitol against Brett Kavanaugh got a $50 fine. Yeah. So why is this rabbi getting like this excessive sentence and excessive fine when he was in there for less time, for like five minutes and left? Because it's a cult. It's obvious that the machine is slanted in one direction. Right. We've all said it in a variety of ways. The institutions are protecting one side and demonizing the other.

Right. But in terms of what James was saying. That protester who got charged with $50, she knows she's not going to have to give up her life. That's not the case. She knows she's only going to have

to give up $50. The leftists know that they have legal resources behind them. The right doesn't have that. They have the National Lawyers Guild behind them. So they don't have to give up their lives.

That's not true. They're given trainings on what to do. They're willing to do this. They're willing to sacrifice each other. They're willing to a certain degree guild behind them. So they don't have to do it. That's not true. They're given trainings on what to do. They're willing to do this. They're willing to sacrifice each other. They're willing to a certain degree to sacrifice themselves. Now, many of them may not think

they're going to lose their lives completely, but they enter these positions. I've been to these meetings. Luke and I were at a big meeting in France, and they say to everyone outright, you could end up in prison

for the rest of your lives and charged with terrorism. And they say, okay. So when I see a dude working at Taco Bell, and he's got a Black Lives Matter mask, and his manager says, take the mask off because the Black Lives Matter thing, get a new one or you're fired. And he says, then fire me.

The far left screams. They make demands and Taco Bell backs down and says, we're sorry. The right does nothing. They do nothing. It's the revolutionary heart of communism, I think. It's the power to act upon their convictions. And I think history is replete with accounts of this. Whitaker Chambers wrote about it.

Douglas Hyde wrote about it. He converted from communism to Catholicism. There's a lot of examples of people. It's at the heart of their, for lack of a better word, religion. And I think they're willing to act upon their ideals. And from my perspective, I think we can learn from their faith to act. Not break the law, but not worry about being shamed. In some regards, the modern day equivalent of giving up your livelihood.

You're giving up your livelihood. Yeah, you should do it. And your reputation. Yeah. And your account. They don't care. We had Darren Beatty. For speaking out. We had Darren Beatty on the show. They're not account. They don't care. We had Darren Beattie. For speaking out.

We had Darren Beattie on the show. They're not afraid. They're not afraid. Darren Beattie said he thinks that the right, and I'm paraphrasing, but I think the general idea was the right is actually more prone to cancel culture than the left

because the right has more people scared of the mainstream opinion against them. So they're willing to tell people who are either to the right of center or more conservative, traditional conservative, they're not going to defend them. So they're willing to tell people who are either to the right of center or, you know, who are more conservative, traditional conservative, they're not going to defend them. And you see this in Congress even. Marjorie Taylor Greene gets condemned and booted off her committee assignments because

the Republican Party panics. Meanwhile, Ilhan Omar can say whatever she wants. Yeah, that's a problem. And then Donald Trump just wants to be liked by the New York Times. He wants to be liked by the corporate institutions and that kind of train of thinking. It's not going to achieve anything. There are Republicans who care more about the opinion of the New York Times than the opinion of their own constituents. That is exactly the point.

And until they stop caring, they can't be effective. And it comes down to the faith. I've been saying this for years, and I don't know how else to say it. It sounds like a cliche. But the moment the Republican Party stops being humiliated, you give them that power. We give them that power. That's not a power they have. It's only a power if you give it to them.

The moment you stop caring and you stop giving them, then you're free to actually do it, but they won't because a lot of the people in the Republican Party aren't there for the right reasons. You want to know why they don't like you, James? Because you changed the news cycle. How is the news cycle set? The New York Times, CNN, these big companies decide there's a big story. And then people in politics try and jump on it to address the issue. And I wonder that sometimes. I'm like, how is it that the New York Times just decides to run a headline story and all of a sudden that's what we're talking about?

But something interesting happens with Veritas. You report a story and it trends number one on Twitter. All of a sudden they're forced to address it and they don't like doing that. I want to get even deeper on you. This is a Daily Beast headline by Lloyd Grove and they tried to do this shame crap with me.

They tried to get me to, I'm so sorry. I apologize. I shouldn't have done. And the headline reads, It's impossible to shame James O'Keefe. That's a badge of honor right there. Do you understand? We should frame this and put it in our bathroom at headquarters. Do you understand now how the game is played?

The whole point, the whole point is to shame you. That's their modus operandi. And here's what's scary. When they couldn't shame you, the FBI shows up. When they couldn't shame Andy, they found him in the street and they beat him up. Well, they're running out of arrows, aren't they? Because how do you exceed – do you know how aggressive it is for the FBI to execute a search warrant against an American journalist? They're scared. The Attorney General of the United States expressly forbids it in a memo by Merrick Garland in July.

You do not execute search warrants against journalists, particularly for this issue. They probably broke the law. And doesn't that show kind of a bit of desperation? Yeah, absolutely. I wonder if there's something else we don't know yet. The FBI maybe got worried that you had a whistleblower with some information, and the only way they could figure out what stories you were working on was to drum up some fake search warrant

to get access to your documents. Well, the problem with that strategy is that most of my employees, I'm the CEO of the company, I do some reporting, but not all. Most of our employees are the ones with sources and they didn't take their phones. Well, they don't know what to do.

I think they're panicked. They're desperate. We can see it, like you mentioned, Libby, how they're going after these January 6th guys with extreme charges relative to what the left has done. And we had an insurrection in 2017. Luke and I were there on the ground. We saw conspiracy charges against all of these black-clad individuals who are smashing windows, setting fires. And most of them just got let go. That's right.

They couldn't hold any charges against them. Well, and that goes on in so many of these cities that are Democrat run, and they've just taken that strategy and they're using it all over the place. Gascon and the DA in LA does this catch and release thing. That's not working. The new DA in New York has promised to do something very similar. It's going to make the city that is crumbling even worse. In New York, just really quickly, in New York, there was activists being arrested for eating without a vax pass, eating without permission from the government

when a woman was murdered yards away from them. So the police is prioritizing vaccine domestic passports over literal murders that happened. This is happening under the Eric Adams administration that promised, campaigned to be tough on crime. And this is happening in the city right now. It's absolutely ridiculous. Well, they also promised to be tough on vaccine mandates.

And they've continued that as well. To the extent where people are literally being thrown in front of trains. And they're not doing anything because they're arresting people who don't have permission from the government to eat at restaurants. People have been being thrown in front of trains for some time. That's actually not new in the city, although it is horrifying and terrifying. But crime is up. Crime is up. Yeah.

No, it's a disaster. It's a disaster, for sure. It's so interesting. Andy and I were talking about this earlier, that so many of these cities that are Democrat run, what was our conversation? I'm blanking. But we were talking about that. By mid-December, there were a dozen cities in America that had surpassed its historical record on homicides and murders,

Portland being one of them, and there were 11 others. This was just mid-December. I'm not sure if there were, by then, the end of 2021, if there were more than that. It's a direct consequence that will be felt for years and years of the political and social changes in our culture after George Floyd died. Right, and it's like social justice initiatives are not going to make cities safer, it turns out.

It's just going to make it worse for the very people that you're claiming to try and protect. But I wonder if wonder if that's you know these people aren't trying to protect anybody we sit well they're trying to protect themselves and the people who read the new york times i think it's worse they're trying to protect criminals i i think it's worse than that it's it's the chaos that destroys the system that allows them to exploit it they're letting people out of prisons because it creates crime they're doing these They're setting forth these policies that are making everyone's lives genuinely worse and more chaotic and as everything gets crazy, they come out

and say, we're the solution. Give us the power. They enact policies that destroy the system and then tell you they're the only solution. Yes, they do do that. And then they enact further policies that continue to destroy things. Yes, I think they do do that is another good way to say it too

because these policies are utter crap. They don't make sense. They come out and often by decree, they're pushing these policies and destroying everything. And of course, we've had nothing but rule by decree for the past two years, right? These executive orders have got to stop. The emergency powers that have been given to governors

and mayors have got to end. The emergency powers that have been given to governors and mayors have got to end. The people need their representation. In New York City, we're being mandated without representation at this point. You know, it's like some Stamp Act bullshit is what we've got going on. They're mandating you guys get three vaxes an hour or is it still two? It's still the two, but you know. But cases are through the roof anyway. And there's room on those vax cards for a

whole bunch of more crap that they can inject us with that's what the conspiracy theorists are saying like why is there four why are there four you know lines here this doesn't make any sense and and the conspiracy theorists are saying it's not just going to be two it's going to be a lot more and you know i keep getting into arguments with people too about whether or not my child should be vaccinated. And I'm like, he's been exposed to COVID 500 million times. He's tested negative 500 million times. He was around me when I got COVID. He was around his dad when his dad got COVID.

He keeps being fine. Like, if he's fine, what do we need this for? So many kids are fine. They're requiring five-year-olds not only be vaccinated but also wear a face mask just to go to, you know, like whatever, the Olive Garden in Times Square, which I don't know why anyone wants to go there. But still, anywhere, to go to the Met. I have a question. demanded that police be defunded apologized that their project resulted in historical numbers of black and brown people and vulnerable people dying in urban areas. They just ignore that fact.

They ignore it. I mean, we saw that video where the two Antifa women are vandalizing the property and two young black women say, why are you doing this? Get out of here. We don't want this. We're doing it to help you. We're helping you. It's like, no, you're not. You're destroying our community. I'll tell you that story from when I was in Ferguson. When the young black men linked arms to defend the liquor store where Michael Brown had bought the – or had stolen the cigarillos.

And they were interviewed by Al Jazeera. And they said, these people looting and raiding our stores don't live here man but you know what we end up seeing from i think it was the new republic i can't remember which outlet it was so forgive me if it wasn't but uh in defense of looting as people who live in the community were begging for the violence to stop and outside forces were exploiting it and burning down their buildings prominent left-wing activist media said it was a good thing. Yeah, it was revolution. And I'm like,

the people who live there aren't doing this. I'm glad you brought that up. NPR did a very glowing interview with the author of that book. Vicki Osterwell. Yes, that's correct. And this is why narrative is important because when the mainstream left essentially puts out this

is platforming people who are arguing in support of violent extremism and criminality that shifts the whole Overton window and I think we've seen that very clearly we've seen that slowly in the last six years in the opinion sections of the New York Times I mean they publish some really awful things.

I'm still disturbed by that one piece of the parent asking if his black child should have white friends. Yeah. That was really upsetting. That was the Charles Blow story, I think, wasn't it? I don't recall. So yeah, that shifts. And we've seen, as all that violence was happening in 2020, where it wasn't just property destruction, we had at least 26 people who died as a result.

And there were peripheral deaths, too. So there were some instances where people died indirectly as a result of the riots, like roads being closed, ambulances being blocked, things like that. And then you had the overt murders people like David Dorn who were just just killed in these riots reporting that I will always give a shout out to

Michael Tracy where he actually drove to these small towns that people never heard of it was it was Ikao and Yanka sorry it was what for what

that was the author yeah author of what I had it wrong oh okay can my children be friends with white people oh right right right

Michael Tracy he drove across the country. He went to these very small towns, and he saw boarded-up windows, spray paint saying, please don't hurt us, things like that. Spare our story. I saw it myself. So I was in the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, CHAZ, in Seattle. This is where BLM, far-left extremists, and Antifa took over six blocks of a major American city,

created a hard border, and had people with guns guarding these checkpoints. It was allowed to go on three weeks. People died there. On the wind, and this was a really heavily densely populated area, the businesses on there had signs that said, Black-owned business, Asian-owned business, person of color-owned business. As sort of these, I mean, it seems really kind of like medieval, right? It's like, please, please don't harm us.

Because every inch of that entire six boxes vandalized. I have to wonder, you know, we often talk about civil war or civil unrest or whatever. And I guess a funny twist or whatever, or however you want to describe it, when Luke was reading about post-pandemic civil unrest is when we got swatted. So I'm curious, Luke, if we never actually, I don't think I have to flesh out what was going on with that. As we're looking at what happened with Chaz and with Minnesota and with all this stuff,

I think there's a real possibility that not only were we already likely to see civil unrest because of the pandemic lockdowns, but you add to this the fact that Black Lives Matter rhetoric and writing over the past few years has never been checked. It has never been held to account. I think that's going to lead to something substantial. Especially when you consider the economic factors that are also adding a lot of stress to the entire system with people finding it harder and harder just to find commonly household used items. The store shelves are

also being emptied, not just because of the winter storm, but because of the global supply chain shortages and the problems that have started that we still haven't felt the full effects of. So when you combine all of that and the historical pretext for unrest when it comes to pandemics, this is a recipe for disaster, especially at the state that the United States is in right now with what people are calling a decline of an empire. There's a lot of things coming together all at once, but it's a storm that's absolutely dangerous to be in. The BLM riots and the Antifa riots, it wasn't that they were only unchecked. They were encouraged. And they were encouraged, those rioters were encouraged to flout COVID restrictions.

So I remember in June 2020... Just a real quick interjection. Actually, it was one article said that they actually reduced the spread of COVID. No joke. No joke. They reported that. Well, Andrew Cuomo said, and Bill de Blasioio said that if contract tracers spoke to people who had been protesting for social justice, they were not to ask them if they had been, you know, not to ask people, have you Museum of Art in, well, in Brooklyn, 10,000 people out protesting to end violence against black trans people. And this was, the mayor said, this was more important than COVID restrictions. And it was, it was literally at that moment, like, I was already sort of done with this pandemic in May. I can't, you know, whatever.

And then at that moment, I was like, and everything you have said and everything you are now going to say is a complete and total fabrication. It's fully a lie. As soon as there's 10,000 people allowed to hang out outside the Brooklyn Museum and protest, you know, supporting black trans lives, and me and my kid can't go to the movies and we can't go to the Met and we can't do anything. Everything you are, you are thoroughly discredited. Yeah. 100% discredited. The government entirely. I think.

You know, in New York State and in the city. I think I remember watching de Blasio on the corporate media. I think it was CNN announcing. What a shyster. Yeah. Announcing, hey, we're going to restrict this. You can't go to the movies. You can't go to the supermarket.

You can't eat at restaurants. You can't do this, this, and then this. And then he was asked, what about the protest? He's like, oh, they're justified. That's funny. And they're like, how? How in the world? And it was probably a bunch of these same stupid doctors and researchers and scientists

who wrote the Rogan letter who penned that letter saying that racial justice protests are a reasonable reason to not adhere to COVID restrictions. You mean the dentists and nursing students? Yeah, whatever. And the cannabis farmer? Yes, that guy. I got respect for the guy who's farming cannabis, but I don't think he should be. The non-board certified veterinarians.

Exactly. These people. Back alley veterinarians. I don't like what Joe Rogan's talking about. The veterinary abortionists. Oh, man. Sorry. But I want to loop it back to what James was saying.

James was saying we're optimistic. Or he's optimistic. I'm optimistic. I take a look at the declining ratings of these institutions. I take a look at – we have the story actually from the Post Millennial. Red wave. Poll shows dramatic shift in party preference from Democrat to Republican at the end of 2021. So this is from Gallup, one of the most credible polling institutions.

So they say, and we can see that around the third quarter, there was a big decline in the shift occurring. And by quarter four from 21 Republican sent identification outweighed Democrat by five points. This is for the first time in a couple, like 20 years maybe. There was a period I think in like 2010s where it was fairly even, but we haven't seen this pronounced of a flip since like 91. Now I don't think Republicans

are necessarily the answer. I think voting in the primaries and voting for people who care about this country is the answer, but the fact that people are breaking away from the establishment narratives, from declining ratings to party shift, I think matters. I think it's grounds for optimism, right? Well, I keep on plugging my book, but the second book you should reread every year is 1984, which is the year I was born. And in this book, Winston, the protagonist, Winston, 1984, says the party, the party is a metaphor for what we're talking about, tells you to reject the evidence of your own eyes and ears. Winston said it is the final, most essential commandment is the number one rule.

Don't trust your own eyes and ears. But the moment propaganda becomes apparent, it loses its effect. And I think what's happening right now is people are starting to wake up. And Luke, I think you're right. I think they're losing like a, what do you call it, a dog that was an animal that was caged or something. I like that metaphor. A trapped animal. And I think this is also why in 1984 they made them repeat 2 plus 2 equals 5 because it's nonsensical.

And they couldn't have common sense. They couldn't have rational debate and discussion. They needed to, of course, obey the state and the controllers at all costs. It's the Emanuel Goldstein manual, 1984. It requires a moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment of facts. So that scene you're talking about where they're torturing Winston. You know, two plus two equals five and Winston's like, well... Spoiler alert for people.

Sorry. In case you haven't read it since high school. And he's like, I don't understand. Two plus two equals four. And it says, and finally Winston, because he's being tortured, he says, well, two plus two is whatever you want it to be. Exactly. But I feel like... There are four lights. I feel like... Yes.

This is America. Damn it. This is America and I think we're different than any other country in the history of the world. I just don't think we're... I'm hopeful because I think people understand what's happening. The danger, Tim, is that most people are

afraid. Pension. Mortgage. Kids. Well, good luck to your Tim is that most people are afraid and that my pension my mortgage my kids well good luck to your kids because we don't change this maybe your kids will be holding bayonets or whatever the modern equivalent of a bayonet will be so we better give up our pensions and our mortgages there's more to life than my mortgage

you gotta blow the whistle it's very difficult when you have so much to lose what's the point of living what's the point of living what's the point of living what's the point of living what's the point of life what's well well this is the question what's the meaning of life absolutely this is the question i don't think there's an answer to what is the meaning of life no no my my questions you posed a rhetorical question to me and my answer is saying right i rather i posed a rhetorical question to you. Right. What's the point of life without meaning?

The pursuit of happiness. Well, there's also the pursuit of meaning. Sure. And the excuse that we're giving is we're following orders. There's 120,000 people – What I'm saying is if you have people who have a family and they have a home and they want to protect those things, they're going to go to great lengths to protect those things. They're not going to give them up until they're forced to i disagree if you can get dinner

on the table and you can go to your job you're going to do those things that's what people do what if you're being asked to do unconstitutional legal things well then we see people start to start to give those things up when they have to and that's you know but that's a different point for everybody when when there is a you live in a house and you're surrounded by a wooded area and there is a fire on the horizon, you have people saying, well, I think if we just sit around and do nothing, the fire eventually won't hit us and we'll get lucky. And it's like – or you can take action now, get your family out before the fire destroys your home. What we're seeing right now is that people aren't willing to go to great lengths to protect their friends and family or their children to make sure there's food on the table.

They're looking at short-term gains and long-term losses. So the reason I use the forest fire analogy is that... This is like Chekhov with the trees. It's off in the distance. Okay, the fire's not here right now. Why did the peasants keep cutting down the forest? I know there's a fire. I know there's a fire. I know there's a fire.

I know it is destroying people's homes. I know my neighbors have lost everything, but I'll be fine. I'm sure of it. Right. They think if they keep their head down, the mob will come to their house. This is what Solzhenitsyn describes in the Gulag Archipelago, to survive at any price. And to survive at any price is the danger because if you continue down this road, I like your analogy of long term, you're going to live in a society which is permanently corrupted, where the lie becomes a permanent form of existence and you have to sell out your own family to not go to the gulags, so to speak. James, when you're breaking rocks in the gulags, there's going to be a guy 10 years older and he's going to go, hey, James, did I ever tell you about how my kid played soccer?

And you're going to be like, oh, yeah. My worst part about the gulags is the inevitable hunger strike because I like to eat. I get hangry. But that's a serious point because I want to go back to this point which you and I disagree with

because this is the issue at hand. I'm not defending people for not wanting to fight. I'm saying people don't want to fight. I'm not asking everyone. So this is my Martin Luther moment. And maybe we are at a breaking point here. Yeah, this is my Martin Luther moment.

This is the issue at hand. What we're talking about. You're nailing stuff on the door right now. That's it. Right now. Here I stand. I can do no other. What we're talking about, you and I in this moment, that's everything. I have people who have families who are making money for Facebook, Pinterest. They gave it all up for the public's right to know. And they did so as a leap of faith.

And the American people protected them. The HHS whistleblower, Jodi, she raised half a million dollars after she gave up her job for filming stuff in the emergency room. Zach at Google, Eric Cochran at Pinterest said, I'll fall to ashes one day. I want my life to mean something after I'm gone. Those are his words, not mine. Sure. I mean, I've, you know, like I lost everything because I wrote the truth, right? Right.

This happened to me too. And we need more people to do this. This kind of thing happens to Andy all the time. And we need more people to do this. Yes. We need to speak up for that. But we also need to understand and not condemn the people, I think, who don't do it. I think we need to understand those people.

But we should encourage them at the same time as we understand them and let them know. We should all speak up and speak the truth at once because there's too many of us to be destroyed. Their acquiescence, their compliance is literally leading us down this pathway. I profoundly disagree with you. There is a literally, as I speak, thousands of DMs every day. What can I do? Help me. I want to help. I want to make a sacrifice. Well, good. Good. Good. So we need to create a mass movement of those people. We need to give them an opportunity to fight. People want to fight in this country. They don't know what to do. They want to do something. But I think with 120,000 people, the DOJ, Tim, there's got to be one or two.

I just need one or two. Maybe I already have them. I need one or two more. There's got to be – okay, we're following orders. I get it. You have your mortgage to pay. But I don't know. I was watching this video about clowns.

I'm just saying if we can be sympathetic to those people, maybe there's a way to help them in that. You're talking to a man who's been put in handcuffs twice by the FBI for a crime I didn't commit. Right. And I would like to believe that half the people in my apartment actually were not bad people at all. I think they're very good people. I just think we're entering a slippery slope, and we have to encourage people to do the right thing. And it will involve, without question, it will involve sacrifice and suffering. It just will.

Now you sound like Dr. Peterson. Well, the police officers and FBI agents that arrested him went after James. I have the utmost respect for you and for Dr. Peterson. Well, I'm sitting next to a man who got thrown concrete milkshakes. He got physically assaulted for what he went through. My only point was to have empathy for the people who are terrified of losing everything. But those people...

How does that affect the actual actions that we're going to take? How does empathy affect the actions that we're going to take? I don't think condemning people gets them on your side. Have I done that? I didn't say that you did. Okay. I didn't say that you did. Okay. I'm not condemning anybody. We need to create a forum for people to come forward. We have to do that. Yes, we should all be encouraged. We should be encouraging each other to speak the truth and to not be cowed by this nonsense anymore. I thoroughly agree with you

on that. But the people arresting James and the FBI agents that went after him are making those excuses. We need to pay the mortgage. We need to pay the bills. We need to make sure that my kids are taken care of. Those are the same kind of arguments that I've heard made by corporate journalists saying, hey, I just got to read this script. I just got to do what they tell me to do because at the end of the day, I got to take care of myself. That's not what I'm defending.

But there's a lot of people who use that kind of justification, even in the White House press corps, that I personally know. I was responding to you have to give up your pension. I think 0.001% of people need to give up their pension, yes. Matt, could you imagine if just a thousand people in one of these organizations just came out and said, we're willing to sacrifice our pensions? Well, then none of them would. If every single person at any of these corrupt institutions, if they all just said, we hereby all agree we have scruples and won't do these illegal things, it wouldn't happen in the first place. I agree with that.

Two choices. You can follow your conscience or you can – and then you will lose your livelihood. Or you could not follow your conscience and have a safe existence. My view on life growing up was never based on tribalism. And I think that's what shapes my perspective today is that there was no group identified with. There was nothing I saw that I said I need to be a part of. It was actually, my whole life was, if I don't figure it out for myself, I'm in trouble. Too many people today are wrapped up in just trying to fit in with whatever tribe they think will keep them alive. We see with Ethan Klein. He's the H3 podcast guy. He deletes the Jordan Peterson interviews. Why? That's such a trash move.

But it's because, in my opinion, if you look at his Instagram, he said, YouTube gave me a strike. I can't work for a week because someone went to an old video and flagged it and got it removed. Here's a guy who's got a big – he's got a company of 10 people. He's got 10 million subscribers. And because of the rule changes, he's getting banned. So what does he do? He says, I'm just going to adhere to whatever they tell me to do. And he deletes the joint.

I'm going to say that 2 plus 2 equals 5 because I don't want the rat to eat my face yeah exactly that's what the or what was the genius i mean room 101 room room 101 no room 101 i don't know what your psychological version of the rat everyone's got their fears but um this is a slippery slope and i don't know i'm just quoting our whistleblowers that come to us all of of these people, these are not my words. They're saying, listen, I want my life to mean something. And I guess it is akin to what Jordan Peterson talks about. Wasps. Wasps?

Yeah. If the establishment came to my house and unloaded wasps into my house, the show would be off the air. Don't say that. He's just making a joke, people. Don't give him ideas, Tim. Don't tell him your fear. They're like, Tim doesn't actually scare cancellation. Put some wasps into the building.

I don't know. You weren't afraid of the stink bugs. I'm actually not scared of wasps. I don't think that that could get you anywhere. In 1984, the state knew your biggest fear. And for Winston, it actually not scared of rats. I don't think that that could get you anywhere. In 1984, the state knew your biggest fear. And for Winston, it was the fear of rats. And that's why they put a bucket with a rat in it. And it

said the rat's going to eat your face unless you obey the state. So this is, again, the dangers of the track, trace, and database society, the society that has the NSA snooping on every aspect of our existence. And it's not out of the realm of possibility to compare our current reality going towards the 1984 one, which James brings up all the time, which is on the money.

The vaccine database thing. So in April, Jeff Zients at the CDC said that there was going to be no federal vaccine database. Jen Psaki said there was going to be no federal vaccine credential. And it actually turns out that after the OSHA mandate went through for federal workers, this safety guidelines agency said, you know, helped to help federal agencies implement the vaccine mandate. They said, and you will have to keep a database of who's been vaccinated and who isn't and the reasons for why the people didn't get vaccinated specifically religious exemptions so it turns out that the osha mandate supersedes everything else for federal workers and there will be a bunch of different federal vaccine databases at all for the employees at all of these agencies and i and i think unless

i think it's very likely it will happen. Yes, I think so. Short of us actually speaking out and people who like watch the show, share this show, talk about these ideas, stand up for yourself. And I think more and more people are doing that. If they don't, the Supreme Court may strike down mandates for private companies,

but give it five years and it will be commonplace unless you speak up now. Charles Murray said that government is in an advanced state of sclerosis where solutions are outside the legislative process in the courts. I think what we've experienced with the New York Times lawsuit is on point. I mean, even if the Supreme Court were to rule in my favor, the New York Times would say, Trump judge. Trump judge.

Who cares? We don't care what we're doing. I mean, but does it matter to you? Obviously, winning against the New York Times is very important. They. Trump judge. Who cares? We don't care what we're doing. I mean – but does it matter to you? Obviously, winning against the New York Times is very important. They defamed you. They caused you problems and money. But for the snooty elites and their ivory tower with their wine, you'll never convince them, right? Literally, Dean Baquet had a glass of Chardonnay in Pittsburgh with his turtleneck and blazer.

Was it Dom? I want to shake – so there's a story in this book. I saw Dean Becke, New York Times, Pittsburgh. I was literally at the proverbial seat at the table. I was sitting next to Marty Baron and Dean Becke. And I went to shake his hand. And you would think, why would you want to shake this horrible. Well, maybe there's a moment of humanity.

Maybe he has a moment of levity. No, no. He whimpered and winced like a little coward. He wouldn't shake your hand? He wouldn't shake. He turned around towards the wall while holding, I'm not making this up, a glass of wine. Wow. And at that moment, I realized that, yeah, there's – you asked a question.

It's not the satisfaction from the verdict. The satisfaction comes in the discovery part of litigation where you're exposing them. Proving other lines. The only thing that, for lack of a better word, communists, the only thing that communists fear is being exposed.

They do not fear the government, in my experience. They don't fear the courts. The only thing that will hold them accountable is exposure. And I think litigation does that vis-a-vis the discovery process, when you open up their books, when you record them in depositions,

etc., etc. Also, when you guys take a microphone and put it up to their face and they start running away as fast as they can. That's also a good one. Did you ever notice that they don't want to engage us in conversation? They want us to shut up. I want them to talk.

Interesting dichotomy, right? So I see this in the movie Don't Look Up. Have you seen it? No. This is that Netflix movie. Yeah, yeah. One of the scenes, it's basically in the movie, the Republican Party is telling all of their right-wing nutjobs not to look up at the sky where the comet is coming to destroy the planet. So they don't. And I'm watching that and I'm like, I think the movie's funny. It's

poking fun at everybody. But the Republicans, the conservatives are the meme of debate me. It's Ben Shapiro chasing after AOC being like, why won't you debate me? While the left says, leave me alone. I don't want to talk to you. If anyone is telling you not to look up, it's CNN. Not the right. The right's demanding you look up. And the Biden administration as well. That's saying that we need to stop disinformation, but they don't take any questions from reporters. And Dr. Fauci, who today on the World Economic Forum Zoom call was literally saying we need to fight disinformation for, quote, medical health. Alongside, of course, Xi Jinping, who also was on the Zoom call as well. Well, and they only identified disinformation and misinformation as anything that goes against whatever the current narrative is, which is consistently changing. It goes back to the moment-to-moment flexibility in the treatment effects.

We talk about engaging in conversation. Again, I tell my staff, we welcome the inspectors. That might sound counterintuitive. You're an undercover operation. You have to keep secrets. We don't keep many secrets, Tim. I tell them, everything you do is going to be watched. The New York Times is required by their ethical code to reach out for comment.

They do do that via email, but they'll never print my response. And when I try to call them, they hang up the phone. They hang up the phone. They do this clever thing where if your quote hurts you, it's in full. If your quote helps you, they'll snip it or paraphrase. One such comment was,

please respond, all these things. So I quoted the judge in the defamation lawsuit. The New York Times acted in disinformation and deception. I quoted a judge and the New York Times published when asked for a comment,

Mr. O'Keefe criticized the New York Times. Well, I didn't criticize the New York Times., when asked for a comment, Mr. O'Keefe criticized the New York Times. Well, I didn't criticize the New York Times. I was quoting a judicial authority. So that's false, a statement of fact, isn't it? It is, and we sued them for defamation, and we're winning. So, I mean, so now we just put out our quotes

to the New York Times to our audience. We just film myself emailing the New York Times. Pete, I think your audience wants solutions. i think we know they they chop the quotes they take it out of context solution i had a i had robert silverman who's this hack reporter at uh daily beast he reached out to me i think around midnight eastern time and said uh he was trying to get comment he said i'll give you until 12 30 a.m to respond this is how entitled some of them you know like they're doing you the favor they're writing a hit piece yeah they contact you at the last hour and then well most people are sleeping at that time or not checking their email and then uh yeah and then your comment never makes it into the public

story andy i was going to ask you how do you deal with the media coverage that you get dealt with? Do you have any kind of legal battles? Or what's your strategy when it comes to dealing with the media that attacks you? Well, I've come to, like James, come to ignore most of it. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to do lawsuits against everybody who defames me. And in the US,

proving defamation in a court when you're a public figure is extremely hard. And so the point of these negative pieces is to sabotage and ruin someone's reputation and also to to demoralize them and to take up their time i think it's been more effective for me to

ignore most of it when it's really egregious then i'll respond uh i think like so recently in december a few weeks ago um i got an email um a night from a journalist asking me for comment about this federal lawsuit that was filed against me for a copyright violation. That was the first I've heard of it. So these two Antifa activists, extremists in Portland, sued me for retweeting their videos on Twitter. Okay, completely frivolous lawsuit. But the point wasn't necessarily about winning. It was about getting all of these negative pieces out that said,

Andy Ngo sued in federal court for stealing journalist content. That's really damning for, I mean, if you're a journalist, your reputation really matters. By the way, there's only, as much as I say,

you know, I ignore this, ignore that. Reputation at the end of the day matters when you're a journalist because your reputation is your legitimacy. That's how people know that what you're reporting out is accurate. They can trust it. And within less than two weeks, the lawsuit was withdrawn. And but so by then, you know, those left wing media sites are not going to write these new follow-up stories about how this was a frivolous lawsuit that was a waste of everyone's time.

But on the record, now people Google me again. In addition to all the hit pieces before, they see stuff like this. And now it's forever. Even though the lawsuit is gone, they can still say Andy Ngo has been sued for stealing content in the past, and it'll be forever. But I do have to issue a very strong correction. You see, I stated on this show that that lawsuit would be dismissed in summary judgment, and I was wrong.

They withdrew it because it was a frivolous lawsuit, so it didn't even make it that far. But again, it's the smear that counts, and that's what they were going for, at least in my opinion. The object of persecution is to break your will. That's what they're trying to do. Usually this litigation is an exercise in just trying to shut you up, break your will, bankrupt you, et cetera.

All right, let's go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, get those Super Chats in. We're going to take questions, and I'm going to do my best to try and go through good questions for everybody here so we can have some very serious conversations. And there's a ton of super chats, so I definitely won't be able to read everybody's. But smash that Like button. Go to TimCast.com. Become a member.

We're going to have that members-only podcast up tonight. We usually post around 11 or so p.m. But let's read what we got here. We'll start with some compliments. Robert Dolvik says, James, Andy, and libby with tim is the journalistic avengers like he didn't put he didn't say luke that's fine that's fine okay all right let's see what we get here i want to try and find a a good question for everybody

may i may i just ask the question eric sent me Absolutely. Yo, Mr. O'Keefe, we got to know, boxers are briefs when the FBI... And this is your guy sending that to you? What a pure necessity in the room. Underwear fact. What is going on? Everyone loves to talk about me and my... I don't know what they're called.

I guess... Skivvies? Boxer briefs. I don't know what they're called. It's just visual. It's just a very visual image. It is a very compelling visual. I mean, it's going to, in the film version, that's going to be like on the poster.

You think there's going to be a film made about this? Don't you think there ought to be? We do have a super chat. It would be a great film. We did have a super chat saying, Mr. O'Keefe, boxes are briefs. Who would cast? Who would be the person that would play me? Michael Malice?

I don't know. Who do you want? Michael Malice. Michael Malice. Michael Malice. I'm sorry. I took the podium away from you. Oh, no. I'm trying to. Who do you want? Michael Malice. Anyway, I'm sorry. I took the podium away from you. Oh, no.

I'm trying to. Nicolas Cage. No, not Nicolas Cage. So there's always a challenge. He's way too old at this point. A lot of the comments aren't questions typically. And so I'm trying to make sure I can get a good question. But that means scrolling through and screening these.

Maybe in the long term we'll find someone. Here's one that's a question. I'm confused about the temperature of the room you are all in. Andy's in a scarf, James with an open shirt, Luke in a long sleeve. Is your temperature equitable? I don't know. I think so. Andy's in a scarf because it looks very jaunty and nice.

Snappy looking. It's very snappy, yeah. I'm in a sweater because I'm always cold. Here's a good question. Beefy says, Andy, covering riots, when did you feel most scared? Tim's audience will remember this. So in May of last

year, I returned to Portland, which was a mistake. But I went back and I had less because it was becoming very, very dangerous to me. Police were very overwhelmed in 2020 with the nightly violence and riots. The police were defunded, and a record number of them had resigned and took early retirement. So the only calls that often they were responding to were like priority calls involving life or death situations. So if you have issues of a threatening person showing up at your home, you could take hours for somebody to show up.

And I knew all that. But I went back because field reporting is extremely important. And James and Tim, you can test this because you did this. The further you are away from the subject that you cover, you introduce more errors, right? That's how you get these journalists who are in bureau desk rooms in New York and DC who get things wrong, for example, about the Russia hoax. They just depend on these sources, right, rather than being on the ground and being able to verify things. I had been gone for a number of months, and I wanted to see how Antifa's violence had evolved

towards the end of 2020 to the many months to 2021. And I was there undercover and observing, and unfortunately they became suspicious because I wasn't riding with them. And they sent several feelers to come and question me. I write about this in the update for my book on masks. And one of them said, I remember they surrounded me. I was alone. They said, I think it's him. And even though I was in the middle

of downtown, two blocks away from the Central Police Station, I knew I had no good options at that point. What do I do? I start running. What do I try talking my way out? They know I don't carry weapons. And, well, they assaulted me really badly. And that was when they had me on the ground and pinned on the ground and I could hear more of them running after me. And some of them had their cameras out. They were live streaming it, trying to get their comrades to come. Not all of them have the intention to kill somebody, but we've seen in these mob settings,

it takes one or two who are completely unhinged and have nothing to lose to do that kick to the head or the face, right? I was so fortunate that I was able to escape and run into that hotel and plead with them to lock the doors, to call police. And yeah, that whole entire experience has been really traumatic. And I remember there was a big debate online afterwards. And you weighed in. You said, why would you willingly return to that situation knowing, one, that you had been assaulted before,

been under death threats, and go there without a good escape plan? I think that criticism was fair. But you know what? Excuse me. without a good escape plan. I think that criticism was fair. First, I think, as many people pointed out, I was a little crass. Because I was on Twitter and I saw it and I tweeted something like, that was stupid, why would you do that? And it's probably a little crass.

But my thought was, you wrote a book on Antifa. You're beyond just going into a crowd of these extremists and risking your life when you're at the point where, I suppose I should say, like your work is too important. The knowledge you have, the experience you have, the connections you've made, the people you can connect, the information you have within you would all be lost because you decided to go out that one night. Now, I think it's fair to say, I mean, it's your responsibilities in this regard in your work. They're your choice. If you think your work is best served doing what you did, then it's just opinion versus opinion. My attitude is you should have three more people working with you. You should be doing what James does. James gets, actually, you came up in this because many people pointed out that you go through new undercover

reporters because if they get exposed, then you can't just keep using the same people over and over again. Well, you'd be surprised how much a ball cap and sunglasses can achieve. But, yeah, I mean, there's a lot to say about that. But I admire, Andy, I admire your fearlessness or your ability to overcome your fear and go back there. Yeah, so that was basically it on my part. Probably crass, my initial reaction, but I think the point is we need you to keep doing your work. One of the reasons we're here today talking about the work you've done and the experiences you've had and the threats you've faced,

trying to cover something that the media basically covers up. How do we make sure that like the one journalist who knows how the system is working is not going to end up wiped off the map and that the work you're doing expands into more journalism? I think it's great if the media is going to report on far right extremism. Wonderful. Absolutely. But we get all of that. Where are the reporters who are going out and reporting on far left extremism? It's few and far between. You're doing it, Andy. And we need more people to be doing it. So there's a fear in like, you would risk your life, but we need to get you to a point where you're expanding and getting more people on

the ground. You know what I mean? That's the gist of it. But, you know, other than that, I mean, I certainly, you know, empathize with what you went through. I don't think, I've never experienced anything to that degree. You know, I've certainly have had Antifa get in my face, but that was, you know, considering what they did with the milkshakes and attacking you, and, you know, you were seriously, you were very seriously injured

with traumatic brain injury. And then experiencing that again, I can certainly, you know, empathize and say, it's a dangerous job, man. I'm glad you do it, though. What does this say about America, though, that in some urban areas of the country, you can't have journalists or citizen journalists or even just people,

regular people with their phones out recording things that are happening in public, that you can just have mobs of violent extremists threatening violence and doing it with impunity for years? Why do you think that doesn't happen on the right? Like we have, you know, there's rightly extremists and stuff like that. Why aren't they out there being crazy and beating up? I don't know. Journalists and.

It exists. But there is, you know, if we look at the polling data, independent voters lean very heavily alongside conservatives in their opinions. We did an event in the philadelphia area we had far left journalists that we know lie show up and we let them come in and knowing they're going to lie we say okay do your thing and they came in and lied and made up crazy stories callie 11 well i wasn't i don't usually don't say anybody's names but putting out these stories where they claim it security their security was at risk in a casino. That was just such a falsehood. I watched that whole thing happen.

Right. We were in a casino. Everything was fine the whole time. If you are a jerk. We were all there. I remember that. And this is why we're strategic in how we put on these events. We had the event in a casino.

Why? You're never going to get better security. I mean, there's so many cameras in casinos that when the dealers are pulling out chips, they have to move their hands out of the way and do motion specifically because everything is watched. For someone to come in and say, my security was threatened, oh, please.

You're in one of the biggest, most secure buildings in the city. But we let them come anyway. Now what happens when Andy shows up, the truth, as James pointed out, scares them. They'll attack. I like to hear from the audience.

What are they thinking? Let's try and find some more super chats. Morgan asks, didn't Trump technically ban speech at his rally? I believe this is over the FJB comment, and the answer is ourselves, whatever fact you want to call it, freedom, good, libertarian, whatever, is that we have no problem being like Trump shouldn't ban speech. You can appreciate the sentiment, of course, that Trump's trying to be more cordial. But on the left, they don't play that game. They do have their circular firing squads, but it seems like it's usually for reinforcement of their wokeism as opposed to any real principle. I think it's interesting, though, and we've talked about this before,

the idea that on the left they're doing things a specific way, and so why are we trying to uphold a set of standards and values that are not being upheld on the other side? This is something James was talking about. He's clearly very committed to his standards and his values. He's not going to let that be compromised. And I think that's important. I think in times of crisis and when your values and when your standards are the most threatened

is when you need to uphold them all the more. Yeah, but you're violating people's free speech. That's where a lot of people's issues comes up saying, hey, why are you as an administration saying you can't say this specifically all for PR images. Listen, people have branded me, Tim, for years as this unethical criminal scum, lying, deceptive, editing, they've jailed me, sued me. They have not physically attacked me. Knock on wood.

But what's remarkable is I have written a book with 800 footnotes, law review articles, journalism, ethics, essays. We wrestle and struggle with the ethics of what we do at Project Veritas, so much so that we almost torture ourselves about whether we should publish. And if I was a radical right-wing activist, I would have published actually Biden's diary. I didn't. And that should be proof enough. And the most important ethical rule in journalism is to behave like there are 12 jurors on your shoulder that's the hardest part about, I mean, what we do, because it's often human nature that wants to keep things secret. The Rick Salaby story we did recently, and I hope you saw that one, the CNN producer got, the police got involved.

That was wild. The second producer. Oh, man. You want to hear us a crazy quick anecdote? CNN fired that guy, Salibi, probably within about 24 hours and didn't say a word about it. And weeks went by. And then in response to a tweet,

the vice president of CNN, a guy named Matt Dornick, replied, oh yeah, he's gone. That's old news. What an incredible way to cover up so that they wouldn't, because if they said immediately he was fired, it would be Associated Press bulletins. What an amazing story that was.

I love when the criticism accidentally exposes the machine when they said that you go after left-wing organizations and you had recently done a story on Google and Facebook. And then it's like almost an admission of the complaints people have about the political bias of these institutions to claim that you're going after a left-wing institution, which happens to be Google, is kind of the media saying. That's always true. You're going after – you only target the left. Well, the New York Times, CNN. Yeah. The Department of Defense.

Are these left-wing organizations? So your point is the logic of that seems to presuppose that they are left-wing. But the left tends to, as the late Rush Limbaugh once said, told me as well, the left tends to circle the wagons and the right tends to circle the firing squad. And that's because of the psychology of shame. It all goes back to two principles. Principle number one, stop caring about what they think of you.

And principle two, always behave like someone's watching you. And if you do those two things, I think we'll be very successful as citizen journalists. All right. Lots of compliments. People saying thank you, James and Andy. We have Karen saying thank you, James O'Keefe and Andy Ngo for being on the show. And most of all, being actual journalists, you are so appreciated.

We've got Lesko saying, Andy Ngo and James O'Keefe, bravest men alive. Oh yeah, I would agree. We have, let's find a good question. North Viking says, why do people on the right care so much what the left thinks?

Perhaps finding that out will help us free them to fight the left. Otherwise, just telling people to stop caring probably isn't enough. I do understand why we say the left all the time and why people say the left so often. I think it's important to talk about establishment elites, which have a tendency to be today the establishment left. But what do you guys think? I think we talked about this, but why do you think the right cares so much about what they say? It's because the left has cultural dominance.

That matters a lot. I don't think any of us here would be honest if we just said, I mean, if the New York Times was to write a nice profile about one of us and we said, no, well, who cares? No, I think each and one of us would care. We would like that sort of legitimacy from the mainstream that like this paper record in America would acknowledge what we do. I agree to an extent, but I also disagree. I think a lot of people would like that. I'm not so sure the people at this table for the most part would be, you know, vying. No, I think to be fair. to be fair, to be clear. I sound like the 14th paragraph of a New York Times article right now.

To be fair. It's unclear whether it's amazing how they- You're even using your NPR voice. It's amazing. I know my NPR voice. Yeah, there it is. My reporter voice. Yeah.

Tim, I think all of us, in places we don't want to admit want to be accepted. You have to be a, I call it a masochist or a sociopath to want to be hated. We all grew up to be liked. We want to be liked.

We want to be loved. I don't want to be hated. I don't think you want to be hated. Nothing that you do should engender hatred. But you have to kind of fight against that evolutionary instinct to suck up to the people who have the cultural dominance, right? I think this is such an important point. I think it's not so much for me.

I don't care if The New York Times wants to write something nice about me. I just don't want them to lie. I appreciate if people want – they don't like me so much for me. I don't care if the New York Times wants to write something nice about me. I just don't want them to lie. I appreciate if people want – they don't like me. They hate me. They want to write about it and say here's why we hate them. I'll be like, well, you know, people are entitled to their hate. I just – I don't want to be hated. But more so I recognize I will be.

I just don't want them to publish lies. It takes this kind of indefatigable tunnel visioned obsession in order to endure the hatred and the pain because it does hurt. I mean, it hurts. I remember when I was 25 years old, not 37, about 12 years ago, I used to obsess about my Wikipedia page. I used to sit there and like bite my nails, obsessing, and after a while you just accept it. You can't change it. And that's when you really grow, I think, after that ordeal. Well, I think that it is that leftist cultural dominance of news organizations, entertainment, and everything else that you guys are talking about, that is what makes it so important that the outlets that we're involved with continue to speak out and to continue to speak the truth.

Tim Kass does that. Project Veritas does that. Postmillennial does that. And we need more outlets like this. We need more venues for this kind of conversation and for an expression of reality as opposed to this dogmatic intolerance. Well, we have a question here from Confector Tyrannus. How do we as a society reinstate journalistic integrity and facts based news? No narrative, no prefacing with your pet agenda,

just true news. How? Well, I'll say become a member at Timcast.com because I'm fairly strict. We've had people message us saying like, hey hey this article is poorly framed and i'll immediately go in and be like hey fix this we had one story where it said joe biden criticized for doing x and i went in and said change the headline and story to joe biden does x and that include any relevant commentary after the fact we don't i don't want to do stories that are framed negative or positive just tell people what happened as for everybody else i think supporting all of uh supporting the work of everyone everyone here so i don't know if you negative or positive. Just tell people what happened. As for everybody else, I think supporting the work of everyone here. So I don't know if you guys want to... Well, I would make a statement about the medium of journalism. I think it came out in the last

couple of weeks that TikTok has a bigger audience than Google now. So print or the written word account of things, the New York Times and these organizations of propaganda rely upon descriptions of things. So I think doing journalism that's visual, doing journalism that – I mean television has higher credibility than print for a reason. Doing first-person observation journalism, reporting as an observation. First-hand observation is the ultimate documentation. That's what you did in Portland. Do journalism where you can see it you don't have to trust the reporter's depiction of the events but you can see it with your own eyes and ears i think that's a start and just go ahead and go out

and do it go out in the field leave your you know your apartment you know go there we go there remember vice used to work for vice right shane smith's unique value proposition in times square i saw a billboard that said, we go there. Imagine how broken journalism must be when your unique value proposition is to go to the place you're reporting on. It's kind of wild. It's like that Evelyn Waugh novel

Scoop, where the journalist shows up to cover a war, and there is no war, and all the journalists who are there are like, shh, don't tell anybody. They're just kind of making it up. That's great. Yeah, I i don't know you guys want anything about what we can do to save journalism andy this is a controversial view but um i've been spending time in the uk and the media the landscape is very different in broadcast television, they actually have a government agency that enforces rules, some guidelines on partiality

on broadcast television. And as a result, on their news channels, you don't have shows that would feature guests that would, for example, just make a statement, let's say, Donald Trump is a fascist and a racist and then the host just agrees you know you have to have it for something like that

the responsibility is on the host to to challenge or to ask for evidence or they have a guess from an opposing opinion uh that's not in the american tradition but I think as a result, then, I mean, all of us have seen some of these shows on MSNBC or some of these right-wing equivalents. I think it would violate the First Amendment. I don't think we could do it. Yeah, I mean, putting the legal tradition aside, I just mean culturally. Oh, for sure. So I haven't made up my mind quite about that yet. But I think, I mean, in my view, the media landscape in the UK, I think it's less insane than what we have in America.

Did you guys want anything else to that question? I think journalists need to ask more questions instead of making assumptions. We see a lot of assumptions in media, especially on TV reporting. And I think that more straightforward questions as opposed to questions that lead with a narrative. I have this meme here, which I don't know if you can see. It's a meme of what journalism used to be. The man is running towards the podium asking questions, and now the man is running away from the podium with a megaphone amplifying

the person. So my point, I'm going to say this right into the camera. Journalists, do your jobs. Do your job. It's real simple, like you just said. Ask questions. Don't trust what they tell you. Bite the hand that feeds you.

Bite the hands that feeds you. That's what we do at project fair and stop editorializing i don't care about what you think i don't want to know what you think i want to know i want to see it with my own eyes or i don't trust it people say where do you get your information from from actual evidence documents from the defense department is this what i love about when they smear you as conspiracy theorists i'm like when james o'keefe publishes a video of a person at a company saying something, where's the conspiracy? I don't report anything until you see their lips moving. I need to see the face of the person.

And the other thing I'll say is, well, some people won't like it. Well, if there's one person who will listen, tell the truth. There's a point in this book where I was at my nadir in my life, where I thought about quitting. And my own mother and sister said, well, if there's one person that will listen to your journalism, then it's worth doing.

And that's how low I had to go after my ascent to the highest peak. I was down again and up and down. And now our audience has grown, although you have a gold plaque for your million subscribers. Google has not sent that to me yet. Well, to be fair, James, I'm using one of them as a window jam to get the window open. You have two of them?

No. Oh, we've got like – yeah, we've got a bunch of them. They haven't sent that to us yet. They accidentally sent me two for one of my channels. No. Yeah. You're using it as a doorstopper. So the window won't stay open, so we jammed the golden award in it.

You know, one thing, I just want to respond to what you were saying, because what you're saying about the megaphone where the journalist is now amplifying the message, what happened to question authority, right? This used to be a pretty standard idea in America that we would question authority. And now the new definition of domestic terrorism and domestic extremism is someone who is anti-government and anti-authority. What the hell is that? And just really quick, I also wanted to say we're all journalists. If you see an injustice, speak up.

Don't be afraid to say anything, to tweet it, to get it out there to the general public, because it's us all willing to participate and speak out against injustices that could actually stop it. I used to doorstep a lot of politicians, and I think I almost said exactly what you were saying as I was being dragged out from a Larry Silverstein press conference. Ask questions, demand answers, and of course... Do your jobs. Do your jobs, please. They're not going to do it. You will, as an independent journalist, as just an average civilian, you have the power in your hands to broadcast and to shed light on the darkest corners of this world to do it.

I got it. I just figured it out. Imagine you have every plumber in the country has stopped fixing plumbing and our bathrooms and our streets are laden with crap. And there's one guy, there's a small handful of people that are actually trying to get the plumbing working again. That crap, that analogy, is what's happening in our political space, is what's happening with our big institutions

because journalists stopped fixing the pipes. They stopped doing their jobs and they've just let the crap flow free. We need people to actually do the work and fix it so we can flush this crap. I view it as an opportunity. I view people need to be brave. Here's my NPR

voice. Be brave. Do something. Veritas tips at ProtonMail.com and American Muckraker is the book and all of the proceeds go to our non-profit organization which funds our journalism salaries but I think you go there like Andy Ngo did. Go there.

Go on location. Do the job. They refuse to do. And expose them. We got tear gassed together in Greece. We did get tear gassed. So we went there as well. What did we do?

Put milk in our eyes? I forgot. There was some kind of solution that we got. It was just some random person came up to us. They were like, hey, just put this in your eye. I'm producing. We do all this reporting. I produce it.

And Luke here just streams it on Snapchat or something. I was Snapchatting back then. Snapchat. I was doing small stories in the snippets as we were covering extreme civil unrest in Greece, literally as there was Molotovs being thrown at police officers in crazy battles in the streets of Athens, Greece, that were absolutely crazy during their – what was it? They banned people from taking money out of their bank accounts?

Yeah, and there was one anecdote. We were in Greece, and I was holding a camcorder in 2015. This was the time with the economic crisis. And this Greek guy saw me with a camcorder, and these were literal communists. They had a communist flag. And they started marching towards me, and the other guy said, no, no, no. And in an accent, he said, no, he's an American. And he stopped from assaulting me.

It was a very powerful moment. Don't assault the American. Why do you think that was? It's pretty deep. Yeah, that's really interesting. My friend was also there. He got put in the hospital because activists beat the crap out of him as he was reporting on the front lines. Because he took the camera and he put it on the people that were throwing rocks against the police.

I mean, this is America, damn it. You know, this is America. And I don't think we're going to become like these other countries. I don't think we can. I think the power of one is too big here. Courage is too

contagious here. I've seen it with my own eyes. I have sources right now inside the Justice Department. I will say it on the record. I was here last time. I was talking to Christopher Wray directly in the camera. I got raided a few months later, so I don't know what's going to happen. Damn, I want to see that story. But I've got sources inside the Justice Department.

I want that story. Okay? I want to see it. The courage is too courageous, too exciting. It's too much fun. It's fun speaking truth to power, isn't it? Absolutely. There's great joy in fighting.

It's so much more fun than the alternative. And the other thing, too, is when our culture is big enough, the dominance of the left will decrease. I mean, Andrew Breitbart used to say, the days before he died, Andrew Breitbart said to me, James, they want us on a leash. We're not going to be on a leash. They want us to dance.

We refuse to dance with them. Politics will eventually be replaced by imagery. And I think people just have to have the courage. They just got to have the courage to step up. All right, let me read this one here. We got Armino the Pug says, question for everyone. At our current rate, do you think that civil unrest and conflict is unavoidable?

Is there a possibility of someone embodying the American spirit to bridge the divide we face? What was that last part? Someone embodying the American spirit? The American spirit that can bridge the divide. Interesting. I'm a bit less pessimistic on any kind of unification

between culture war factions. But what do you guys think? Jeffrey Epstein. Well, perhaps, but maybe a more positive figure. No, no, no. He brings together the left and the right against people's condemnation against the state that abused their power and used taxpayers to hurt children for over 30 years in unspeakable ways. That's a bridge right there. That's a gap that the establishment is scared of since people on the left and right are tweeting

very important aspects of this story that break down this whole entire structure's power. Putting journalists in handcuffs, bringing left and right, indicting me for accessory. That's true. If they indict me for accessory after the fact for a source sending me documents, that'll

bring left and right together. And it probably is self-preservation because they don't want it to happen to them. Yeah. But what about you, Andy? You know, being on the ground and seeing a lot of this extremism, do you think there's a possibility of uniting people in this country? I thought that the beating assault of a journalist of color who happens to be gay, that was caught on camera. I thought that would be kind of a unifying moment, and it wasn't.

There was a lot of people on the mainstream left who said essentially that I deserved it, that I was such an agitator or that I allegedly hold such deplorable views that what happened to me was deserving and just, and it should happen again. It should happen every time i come out so uh i i'm a bit less optimistic of my uh of the american citizenry i think in general i think what's been very clear since the death of george floyd and going back before us after michael brown is there's just been this uh noticeable shift in more tolerance and political violence. And if, I mean, you cross this line, you know, of accepting violence as a response to disagreement, then that's how you break down civilization and societies

and eventually the state. Man, it's a little dark. I think we're, yeah, I think we're a little far from a unifying moment as well, or any kind of unifying figure. We're seeing conservative culture start being on a parallel track, right? Creating its own ecosystem. And I think that's going to continue. You know, like I was just talking to a woman, Sarah Gonzalez, who has a podcast.

And she started a makeup line that's essentially like a conservative makeup line it's made in the u.s and i was like that's interesting because i've been talking to people who were starting you know i talked to jason miller who started his own conservative basically based social media platform there's conservative journalism and now we're going to have a conservative makeup line it kind of of reminded me of when Christian Soriano found out that no one would sign a dress for Melania to wear to the inauguration, and he was like, I'll do it. We're going to see, I think, more of that

as opposed to less of that going forward. I agree. And if you're listening now, smash that Like button, subscribe to this channel, go to TimCast.com, become a member. We're going to have a members-only podcast coming up. We post them around 11 or so p.m., so make sure you hit that. You can follow the show at TimCast.com. Become a member. We're going to have a members-only podcast coming up. We post them around 11 or so p.m., so make sure you hit that. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. Follow us on Instagram

if you want clips. You can follow me at TimCast. Do you guys want to shout out what you've got going on? I don't know. James, shout anything out? New stories or anything else? Oh, your book, your website. I mean, the book is AmericanMuckraker.com. You can buy the book at AmericanMuckraker.com or youMuckraker.com. You can buy the book at AmericanMuckraker.com,

or you can go on Amazon if you want to support Jeff Bezos. But the book is really a seminal work of nonfiction, recounts the journalistic mass movements of today, eye-opening glimpse into guerrilla journalism. There's a part about Andy Ngo in this book. Chapter one, Suffering, and David Daleiden. I mean, my closing argument is essentially the images. Images transfix.

I think images, you know, Marshall McLuhan once said something to the effect of images will become more powerful than our own politicians. Government is broken. The solution rests with us. And this is a how-to guide on how to do journalism in clown world. In clown world. You need a handbook, like the Boy Scout handbook. This is what this is for citizen journalists.

Andy? My updated book, Unmasked, Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy, is coming out on the 1st of February in an updated version in paperback. So that's available for pre-order now. And I encourage if people like my work to become a supporter at ngo.locals.com. Right on. Thank you. Libby? I think everyone should come to the Postmillennial, read the work that we've got up.

You can subscribe to the Postmillennial. You can donate and help us out at thepostmillennial.com slash donations. And I'm there every day. I'm on Twitter, at Libby Emmons. Sweet. So I'm somewhat close to 1 million subscribers on YouTube.com forward slash wearechange, which I release videos on routinely. And before we leave, shouts out to Dana White.

He dropped some major truth bombs today. I actually talked about that on my LukeUncensored.com video. Hope to see some of you guys there. I've been working really hard lately, and I can't thank you guys for all coming and being in the same room. It was a great, productive conversation. Thank you guys for putting it all together. Also, Tim, ProjectVeritasExperience.com.

We're having a book launch event in Miami, January 29th. ProjectVeritasExperience.com if We're having a book launch event in Miami, January 29th. Projectveritasexperience.com if you want to go. Yes, awesome. I was just going to say, too, if you guys do end up using Amazon, you can donate to Project Veritas. That's true. Amazon Smile, I believe that's what it's called. That's what I use. I thought that was a great finger in the eye of Amazon when I saw that, and I decided to sign up for it.

It's awesome. Anyway, you guys may follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patchlets. We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about an hour. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you there. Bye, guys.