Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #456 - US Truckers JOIN Canadian Truckers In MASSIVE Vax Mandate Protest w/Carrie Sheffield

Episode Date: January 28, 2022

Tim, Ian, Seamus from FreedomToons, and Lydia join senior policy analyst at the Independent Women's Forum and Independent Women's Voice Carrie Sheffield to discuss the huge protest by truckers against... vaccination mandates, an A-list actress who attended the anti-mandate rally in DC, women's susceptibility to cults, and the scientists who try to slam Joe Rogan - and lose as Rogan controls the narrative, against their will. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We got a great big convoy up in Canada and American truckers are joining with Canadian truckers protesting vaccine mandates. Get this. They're estimating 50,000 truckers. That sounds crazy to me. They can't be right. But they're saying it stretches nearly 50 miles, this trucker convoy in protest. And Trudeau shaking in his boots said, it's just a small fringe minority.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Are you kidding? This is massive. This story is getting really, really big. So we're going to get into this. We's just a small fringe minority. Are you kidding? This is massive. This story is getting really, really big. So we're going to get into this. We got a bunch of other stories. Evangeline Lilly, star of Ant-Man and the Wasp, went down, she's a Hollywood celebrity, went to the DC anti-mandate protest,
Starting point is 00:00:38 publicly endorsed the message, getting roasted. But wow, bravo. I'm really surprised to hear that someone out of Hollywood is doing the right thing, which brings us to Dan Bongino. He's getting censored. His YouTube channel has been deleted and we got Joe Rogan in the news again. And I think the story has escalated now to something totally different. The amount of hit pieces that just came out about
Starting point is 00:01:00 Joe. I mean, we talk about him quite a bit and it's always kind of like, oh, look at that. They're talking about Joe Rogan again. Now it's like CNN, The Verge, Independent. Outlets across the board are writing different crazy stories. They first tried going for the nuclear option. You know, we got a list of doctors. That didn't work. Now they're trying the Marvel Jericho missile method, if you're familiar with Iron Man. They're just layering all these different hit pieces. And it says something really interesting that I think is actually good news. Joe has set the news cycle. He controls it now.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Every time they try and go after him for what he, what someone else says, what one of his guests says, Joe owns the news cycle. And if they keep playing into this, they're done. The media is digging their own grave. So we'll get into all this stuff. Joining us today to talk about all of this is Carrie Sheffield. Do you want to introduce yourself? Hey, Tim. What camera do I look at? I'm sorry. That way.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Okay. There's so many. Hey, everybody. I'm Carrie Sheffield. I am a senior policy analyst with the Independent Women's Forum. We believe that all issues are women's issues. We are not pigeonholed as women. And we believe in limited government. We believe in freedom. And we believe that people should be able
Starting point is 00:02:11 to make their own choices about their lives. I mean, these are just basic American concepts. Oh, yeah. There's a really interesting story we might be able to get into about this app called Giggle. Have you heard about it? No.
Starting point is 00:02:20 It's a female-only app that uses facial recognition to determine if you're female and it's caused a huge uproar in the LGBTQ community because facial recognition doesn't care about what you identify as. So maybe we'll get into that later on though. That is very interesting.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Yeah, it is. It will be interesting philosophically and scientifically. We have Seamus. Good to be here. Thank you for having me back again. Who are you? I am the creator of Freedom Tunes. If you want to check out my YouTube channel, I do political cartoons as well as educational cartoons and political commentary. Every now and again, Tim begs me.
Starting point is 00:02:53 He says, Seamus, come on to my podcast. Please. Seamus thinks he's so famous that he doesn't need to explain what he does. Everybody knows who I am. Incorrect. See, you're making assumptions. I just figured no one's going to care who I am. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:03:05 It's coming from a place of humility. All right. Well, I agree. Ian. Thank you, buddy. I don't know if this is going to play on camera. Oh, my gosh. She got me this beautiful new beanie.
Starting point is 00:03:17 He was trying to gag you. I think there's more parts to it, but I didn't put it on. I think you have it on Ian. You look like the kid on The Christmas Story. No, I don't. No. Ralphie. Ralphie! I'm a knight from the Middle Ages.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Well, I also have... The glasses kind of ruin it. There's a beard you're supposed to attach to it. Oh, cool. Oh, nice. What's up, everybody? Ian Crosland over here. I want you to follow me on iancrosland.net.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Is it Ian? We can't tell. This isn't going to work. I thought you were wearing a mask. Thanks, Tim. That beard has a mouth hole. You're supposed to attach it to the hat. I know.
Starting point is 00:03:51 It's going well. You should have prepared for this. That's my MO. Welcome. Wardrobe malfunction. Hey. Hi. Looking forward to the conversation.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Let's get down and dirty. 50,000 truckers, man. That's nice. Yeah, it's a lot. Is that real? Let's find out. Yeah, we're going to find out um i'm always happy when i have ladies on especially ladies from the iwf so we're gonna have a great conversation today and we can get into it before we get started head over to timcast.com become a member to help support all of the work we do here
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Starting point is 00:05:34 the Freedom Convoy 2022 is demanding that their government abolish vaccine passports. They say as many as 32,000 or about 20% of truckers are not vaccinated. Now, there's so much craziness to this story. Aside from the fact this line is massive. GoFundMe. What did they raise? Like $5 million already? Is that it?
Starting point is 00:05:51 Well, that's what I heard yesterday that they had canceled a $5 million. Froze it. Froze it. Yeah, I think they released it. Oh. This is big. It's amazing because we had that big D.C. protest this past weekend. Robert Malone went on Joe Rogan's podcast and mentioned, we're going to go to D.C. and protest.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Wasn't that big? Was not that big. I think Luke was down there and he said maybe 10, 20,000 people. And I was like, well, you know. But now we're getting 50,000 truckers stretching 45 to 50 miles. It looks like GoFundMe is releasing 1 million of the 5 million for some reason, not all 5 million. I can't understand why they would even use GoFundMe. Yeah. No, I don't understand why they would even use GoFundMe. Yeah. No,
Starting point is 00:06:29 I don't know why you would at this point. It's interesting because this article that we were all looking at points out that the longest convoy prior to that was five miles long. Whoa, what? Yes. And you have Justin Trudeau saying this is a small fringe protest because this is what they do anytime they want to turn public perception against the popular movement. They either claim it's not large or they ignore it. They do it at the March for Life every single year, which is part of why I went there this year to cover it because there were tens of thousands of people there, but they always make it sound like it's a no-show event. How many people do you think were down there at the March for Life? I couldn't estimate, but it was tens of thousands, definitely.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Well, and it wasn't just in D.C. too. It's happening all over the country. Yeah, very true. Yeah. March for Life. March for Life is national, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, vaccine passports. I've been waiting for the United States, for Americans and Canadians to unify in some way
Starting point is 00:07:11 against government overreach. Just Americans and other people from around the world, Australians. What is this going to mean for our food and stuff? Because are these guys effectively not working by doing this? There's already a trucker shortage. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I was sort of talking about this yesterday, but the idea that we could afford to lose 20% of our truckers across any border if the economy was doing well would be ludicrous. With things as bad as they are, it's insane to even have Justin Trudeau or any civil authority ignore this,
Starting point is 00:07:45 pretend as if it's not a big deal, and try to force their demands on the truckers. He either doesn't realize the leverage that they have, or more likely he realizes they do have leverage, but he doesn't care because he's not going to get hurt when the shelves aren't stocked. You are. What I don't get is why are they targeting truckers specifically? Because most of your time you're alone in your cabin. Maybe you're at the Flying j to pick up some snacks why not the motorist in the car
Starting point is 00:08:11 the four-wheelers you know agreed like well why truckers the people for whom we rely on i don't understand that and then i don't understand omicron i think changed the calculus for everything like you know it's just breakthrough cases are everywhere so whether you are vaccinated or not at this point it is irrelevant to whether you will get omicron if you look at all of this through the lens of public health you will be confused the whole time if you look at this through the lens of someone trying to destroy economies everything makes sense. Why would Cuomo willfully kill people?
Starting point is 00:08:52 Andrew Cuomo in New York was like, I'm going to put sick people in nursing homes and they'll die. And he was warned that would happen. Now, why would he do that if he was trying to save lives? That literally makes no sense. The problem is- Because he got a lot of money from the hospital associations. To send sick people- Campaign donations to his campaign.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Yeah, but- Because they were press yeah but because they were pressuring him because they wanted the money right but nobody put him in nursing homes well the nursing well he the administrators of both the hospitals and the nursing home the nursing home said give us sick people they wanted the money is that is that it from killing all these people yeah but he wanted the campaign he was under their pressure the nursing home said give us more people to make us money. As I understand it, that's what they want. They wanted the people there.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Well, then he killed people for money. Well, also, I think a lot of this makes more sense if you look at it through the lens of these people being control freaks who demand our compliance. So you asked why go after truckers. I think part of the reason is because they just need to see people bend the knee. I think that's a huge reason why these mandates are being pushed on people. They don't want you making your own medical decisions. They want to make those decisions for you. I firmly believe that. And I think they view it as a challenge. Well, I think they view it as a challenge to their authority. If people don't take the recommendations and do the things they told them to do, and they don't care who has to get soft, who has to suffer when those people are punished. That's what I believe. It's too simplistic. I don't think so. I think that these people are control freaks.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Yeah, but control freaks that want something. Like the idea that they're just like, you know what? We have no reason to do this, but we'll do it anyway. No, no, no. All right. So here's the thing. I absolutely believe that there are probably other motives there. But I think once people start standing up and saying no, then the new motivation becomes,
Starting point is 00:10:22 well, I need to make sure that they fall in line because if they can say no to this, they can say no to the other demands I make on them. I think a lot of this is political. I think there's political strategy behind it. Definitely. I think they, you know, the interesting thing is that it spans all these different countries. You've got Europe enacting much of the same policies that we enact here that, you know, Canada is doing. Now, interestingly, we're seeing in Europe a bunch of these countries start to end their lockdowns, like Denmark, I think the Netherlands, a few others. While some are getting even more strict,
Starting point is 00:10:53 I look at this through the lens of a pandemic. None of it makes sense. It's like you're trying to put a puzzle together, but if you've got the wrong picture, it's the pieces won't go together. And if we look at this through the lens of coordinated political manipulation, then it all makes sense. It does. Why go after truckers? They're destroying the economy. Why destroy the economy? I mean, I don't know, man. There's a bunch of different reasons. For one, look at what Bill de Blasio said, that he wants to buy up the buildings in New York City,
Starting point is 00:11:23 now that they're worthless because people are fleeing and turn them into public housing. So there's one good reason to do it. You go after the truckers, you depress wages, you smash small businesses, you transfer wealth back up to the elites, the elites who call themselves the elites in the World Economic Forum. I mean, that looks plain and simple. Now, I suppose if you want to take it one extra layer deep, we can listen to Alex Jones talking about an alien intelligence taking over. But that one's a little too far for me.
Starting point is 00:11:49 I can't go there. Yeah, global elites who are trying to steal money from the working class, well, that's history. Well, yeah, that's socialism. That's Marxism. That's human nature to grasp more power. That's just ad infinitum. That's how humans have always been. Um,
Starting point is 00:12:07 and we're, we see this in real time right now in central America. Um, it's just heartbreaking to see that a strong man, strong woman, whatever dictator, they don't care about the people. It's all about in Cuba.
Starting point is 00:12:18 It's same thing that that's how it is. If you want, if you get power, you're power hungry, your power drunk, uh, unless you believe that the power rests with the people, then fundamentally, if you if you fundamentally don't believe that the power rests with the people and that you are better than them, then you're going to keep stealing more power. That's just human nature.
Starting point is 00:12:35 What I find funny about this is that the posts and stories where it's like it's white supremacists, you know, like that, that's their go to for everything. Yeah. Aliens. As if that's in any way an explanatory narrative here like why don't these people want to get this injection oh they must hate black people what are you talking about a bunch of racists got in their trucks yeah it makes no sense but they well not to mention the vaccine hesitancy among black americans is i think in many cases a lot higher than white Americans. But again, that's white supremacy because they're trying to scare black people to not get...
Starting point is 00:13:07 They're doing the same thing right now with March for Life. Yeah, of course. That patriot front group that no sane person thinks is an actual group was apparently at the March for Life, and now all these articles pop up where they're like, why white supremacists like the pro-life movement or whatever, and I'm like, I don't understand why they would.
Starting point is 00:13:24 That makes no sense. Yeah, that's absolutely insane. What about Margaret Sanger? She was a white supremacists like the pro-life movement or whatever. And I'm like, I don't understand why they would. That makes no sense. Yeah, that's absolutely insane. What about Margaret Sanger? She was a white supremacist and she founded Planned Parenthood. So explain that to me. Or the locations of Planned Parenthood. Yeah, exactly. But that's why, you know, that's not an indictment from me personally on Planned Parenthood's choice of locations. The left has their arguments for it. I'm just pointing out, why would a white supremacist be upset with that? Yeah. Why would they be like, oh, gee, oh, darn. No, they would probably be in favor of those clinics. No, in fact, I think Live Action called up Planned Parenthood and said, I'd like to specifically target a donation to specifically target for black women.
Starting point is 00:13:59 And they said, yeah, yeah, send it on over. And he's like, yeah. That is wokeness cranked up to 11. I'm sure you've got some critical race theorist, like woke Planned Parenthood woman, nurse or whatever. And she's like, that's so nice of you. Yeah. No, it's true. He asks over the phone.
Starting point is 00:14:18 I can't remember if it was live action, but I do remember that story. Or was it Professor Veritas? It might have been. I don't remember, but I do remember this guy over the phone going phone like i want to make a donation for people to have abortions like could like could it go like specifically to like minority he's like dancing around it a little bit but he basically says yeah could you like make sure this donation goes to to getting black babies aborted and they're like yes of course wow because the way they twist it in their head and i have to put the disclaimer independent women's forum is neutral on abortion but I'm personally in pro-life.
Starting point is 00:14:45 And that's the thing about the right is that we allow for disparate opinion on this. There are almost no pro-life Democrats. They just, for example, tried to book a, you know, Democrats for Life tried to book a meal during the March for Life at a restaurant. I think Busboys and Poets in D.C., their reservation was canceled once they found out that these were Democrats for life. But I am personally pro-life. There's actually a lot of Democrats that are pro-life. It's huge. Yeah, but they're suppressed by the establishment.
Starting point is 00:15:14 And you can't fundraise, especially if you're a female Democrat. Good luck getting money. And I would say they're not particularly pro-life if they're willing to just vote Democrat knowing they're voting against their own interests. But not to derail the conversation, speaking of truckers, they're doing the same thing. But it's the same old tired playbook. I'm tired of saying it. I'm tired of hearing it. But to be honest, it's getting to a point where now it's comical.
Starting point is 00:15:36 It's like, oh, you're doing that thing again? You're claiming the protesters are racists? Exactly. Wow. What year is it? Is it 2016? Oh, it's 2022? Well, 2022 well and this is a new bit there was a there was an incredibly insightful article written in 2016 and i can't remember who
Starting point is 00:15:52 wrote it unfortunately but their whole point was after the election they realized that they couldn't go around calling people racist anymore and it wasn't that they realized that you can't just call people names they just understood that that term had lost its meaning so they started saying white supremacist after that and then they started saying white supremacist after that. And then they started saying white supremacist all the time. And now I think they've moved on to, they're really playing with using like incitement of violence as their new term. Or threat to democracy.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Or threat to democracy. Yeah. But it's just the same way of saying the same, a different way of saying the same thing, which is that you're disobedient. It's Chicken Little. Just running around screaming the sky is falling. It's the boy who cried wolf.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I got to be honest. I literally don't care. Someone could be marching around protesting anything, and they would be like, that person is racist. And I'd be like, huh, what else is on? I don't care. It doesn't mean anything. The words lost any meaning. Meaningless. Yeah, and speaking of threat to democracy,
Starting point is 00:16:46 I just read a really great piece about the actual threat to democracy right now is the Soros-funded DAs who are literally ignoring the will of the people by choosing to pick and choose whatever they feel like prosecuting. These are laws that have been passed by the legislative branch. There's a thing called separation of powers that says the executive branch is supposed to. It's not optional. You can't, the DA in New York, for example, can't just unilaterally decide something. These aren't suggestions.
Starting point is 00:17:14 So that is the actual threat to democracy. And I'm really glad to see people like my former boss, John Solomon. He's been able to do some great reporting about this and enforcing documents. For example, in Missouri, the prosecutor who was source funded in St. Louis, people are starting to wake up. Let's talk about the narrative breaking. We've got the story from NBC News. Marvel actor Evangeline Lilly shares that she attended anti-vaccine mandate rally. The anti-vaccination mandate rally held Sunday made headlines because of comments from Robert F.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Kennedy Jr. comparing policies to the Holocaust. And even after that, Evangeline Lilly was still willing to publicly come out and be like, yo, I was there because I believe in this. Evangeline Lilly, you rock. You are awesome. You did a great job in Ant-Man and Ant-Man and the Wasp. Big fan. And
Starting point is 00:18:02 for you to come out now and stand up for what you believe in, in the face of this psychotic media, going after everybody, smearing people, lying about people, that is brave, that is principled, I respect it. And it shows for everybody else. You know, when Hollywood celebrities start coming out and saying, nah, that's good news.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Yep, the narrative's broken. Yeah, also, I mean, of course, you know, Holocaust comparisons between the holocaust and events where no one is being killed are so tired at this point that even pointing out that they're tired is tired yeah people are losing their minds over it but it's like everyone does it all the time particularly i mean it happens way more often on the left but so so banal at this point but you know i mean good for her for standing up for the truth and being willing to say yeah i was at this mandate these are my I mean, good for her for standing up for the truth and being willing to say, yeah, I was at this mandate.
Starting point is 00:18:45 These are my actual values. Because there are a lot of celebrities, I'm sure, who can see through this stuff. I have some faith that there are at least some of them who are capable of it. But they're just not saying anything. Yeah, it's the government jumped the shark. That's that idea from like a TV show. And the TV show has just gone too far. It's had too many new adoptions of little kids to, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 00:19:05 It comes from happy days when I think they literally jumped a shark on a motorcycle. Just trying to one-up themselves over and over. It gets so far, they're like, well, the show's jumped the shark. The government's jumped the shark. We know it because we've been watching, and we can relate it to 20 years ago or 15 years ago. But young kids that see it aren't going to realize that this is too far. And they might think that it's normal. That's just how government works.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Evangeline Lilly's got 2.2 million followers and she posted a picture of Vax Democrat for medical freedom. She said, I was in D.C. this weekend to support bodily sovereignty while Canadian truckers were rallying for their cross-country peaceful convoy in support of the same thing.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Yo, this is epic. I believe nobody should ever be forced to inject their body with anything against their will under threat of violent attack, arrested, detention without trial, loss of employment, homelessness, starvation, loss of education, alienation from loved ones, excommunication from society under any threat whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:19:57 This is not the way. This is not safe. It is not healthy. This is not love. I understand the world is in fear, but I don't believe that answering fear with force will fix our problems. I was pro-choice before COVID. I understand the world is in fear, but I don't believe that answering fear with force will fix our problems. I was pro-choice before COVID. I am still pro-choice today. Bravo, Evangeline Lilly. That was an epic post.
Starting point is 00:20:12 And brave, that is, you know what, you know what, you know what, guys? Stunning and brave. Indeed. Yes, it is. It was all based until that last sentence, but, you know, I'm glad she's speaking out. I'm not being pro-choice in any capacity, but I hear what she's saying, and it's great because these are the people who want to spend all of their time claiming that they stand with the working class. And then when you have truckers who are working class and are in many ways like quite literally the backbone of the economy, if there's one group you're going to point to and say we can make a solid case that we absolutely need these people as truckers. And so for them to be thrown under the bus and for us to look the other way,
Starting point is 00:20:47 especially people on the left who are constantly harping on about how empathetic they are and how much they care about the working class is ridiculous. So good for her. I mean, she's doing what they claim they're supposed to do. Well, and to your point on jumping the shark and passing the moment, I think Biden, first of all, let's flash back in time when the Biden administration used to say, oh, yeah, we can't do a mandate. That's just something we can't do legally. And then, lo and behold, they put the mandate in place. But lo and behold, the Supreme Court says, no, actually, you can't. And now they're repealing their OSHA mandate.
Starting point is 00:21:18 So I think even, I mean, the wave has crested as far as the mandates are concerned. And I have to say, this was an anti-mandate rally, which is contrary to what I think it was CNN or MSNBC. I forget what I said. They said it was an anti-vaccine rally. I'm like, no, you obviously don't understand. This is about the mandates. No, they do. They're just lying.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Of course. Exactly. Liars. They are. They're liars. Thank you for the correction. That's exactly what it is. You know, I'm watching this this and we have marvel references and what just comes to mind
Starting point is 00:21:46 with the mainstream narrative is that scene from the new spider-man movie where dr strange is trying to contain the spell but it's out of control and it just erupts and i'm like that that is the that is the truth that is reality and they're desperately trying to contain it and it just breaks free and then it shatters the multiverse, and then reality comes breaking through. Not in that movie. I don't know. A bunch of weirdos showed up like Spider-Man from other movies. But my point is the narrative can't be contained.
Starting point is 00:22:14 They're trying as hard as they can. It's an anti-vax protest of racists and white supremacists. And then Evangeline Lilly is just like, nah. That's why you've got to stay alive, all of you. It's important right now, as hard as things might seem, stay alive because it is shattering and twisting open. It's inevitable. Yeah, well, I mean, I think there's really cause for hope here,
Starting point is 00:22:36 the fact that they have to tie themselves in knots over this. When they have to lie about how large your movement is and how large the protests are, in a lot of ways you're in good shape. It's a good problem to have, it really is is because people are waking up to it imagine the alternative imagine if we had to pretend that our protests were far larger than they were whoever has to lie about the numbers is losing trump always was like huge my rally they were huge his rallies were massive so a lot of them were really big but But I mean, you know, when they come out after the inauguration and it wasn't nearly that big, it was big. And then they were like the biggest ever.
Starting point is 00:23:10 It's like, well, if you include streaming numbers, then yes. But everybody's always trying to promote themselves. And I certainly understand why. But the media does the opposite. I remember during, I think it was during Occupy Wall Street, this funny thing happened where a local news station was covering one of the protests, like a peripheral protest in some city. And the camera guy, we actually watched him wait until the end of the protest and then start filming when there was like seven people. And then people were sharing it. Look at this video of their report.
Starting point is 00:23:39 And it was like the protest was quite small. And it shows like that's what they do. No. So I remember when I was a child, my parents would sometimes take my siblings and I to pray outside of either abortion clinics or in one case, Christ Hospital, because they were performing abortions there despite the name of the hospital. And media came up and started asking questions. And as a little child, I'm naive. I'm like, oh my gosh, what if they ask us questions and we're going to be on TV? And my dad says, Shay, they only go to old people.
Starting point is 00:24:04 They only talk to the old people here. They don't want anyone to think that there are young people interested in the pro-life movement. They have to curate a very specific image about who's interested in this. That sounds pretty legit. Oh, my father's very legit. Well, where do we go from here? We just keep doing what we're doing. We keep having a movement so strong that they need to lie about how many people believe in it.
Starting point is 00:24:28 I usually think like, okay, if this is true, the narrative is shattering and base reality is coming back to fruition. Now it's our chance to craft base reality. We can kind of decide what's it going to look like. Do you want to do a great reselling? Build back greater, Seamus. I'm not in with this World Economic Forum thing. I wonder if this will precipitate other people coming out, though. Evangeline Lilly.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Is this because we're seeing Bill Maher, Barry Weiss, and other liberals now signal to the left, like, hey, it's safe now. You can come out of hiding. Big time, yeah. That's the Barry Weiss thing. Maybe as cringe as you pointed out, it comes a year late. I'm still glad it happened because it was so high profile. Well, the question is
Starting point is 00:25:08 whether she's going to get canceled. I don't think so. We don't know at this point. I mean, they might try, but I don't think so because her attitude
Starting point is 00:25:15 is very defiant. She doesn't care. You know what I mean? It's when people immediately become demure and back down, you know they don't mean it. But I mean,
Starting point is 00:25:23 it looks like she really means it. I don't think she just posted this this image i think she made a video about it but let me let me pull up her instagram and we'll take we'll take a look you know what else i'd kind of like to suggest this i haven't looked into this because the thought just came to me but i would be curious to see how likely these large studios are to refuse to work with famous celebrities when their stock price is down. Because right now the market's not doing too great. And I wonder if that gives leverage to entertainers and performers.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Maybe. I bet it does, yeah. Well, when the industry is flopping, we had Christian Toto on talking about Hollywood freaking out. When Hollywood's losing their power and everyone's in panic because they're aging out, the movies aren't making as much money. I mean, these Marvel movies are blockbusters. They're massive, they're billion-dollar movies.
Starting point is 00:26:11 But the industry itself, it looks like it's in a downward trajectory outside of that. Everything's consolidating. Originality is on the decline. You know, wokeness. It may be even that, that people have finally realized, get, well, go broke.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Yeah. There was a story about the new Superman comic I was reading from Bounding into Comics. The new Superman comic where Superman's son is bisexual. It sold like half what the other one sold. Now, I don't know. We talked about it somewhere saying it's because the companies decide to sell less to comic book stores and like that. But I'm like, okay, maybe I can't – I don't know the nitty-gritty of this but i do know that people are complaining about they don't want to buy it you know if the fans don't like it they don't buy it so maybe that stuff's having an
Starting point is 00:26:51 impact and now people uh hollywood celebrities might just be like it doesn't matter anymore because this whole narrative on the left is ineffective it loses money when you look at and it could even be as simple as joe biden's approval rating people look and they're like democrats are not popular and they're retiring in mass i'm jumping shit before it's too late also like you said earlier carrie the omicron changed the the the terrain it basically changed the layout of what's going on with with covet it's it's a less deadly more contagious or i don't even know is it it's endemic yeah it's endemic yeah it's more contagious it I don't even know. Is it, it's endemic. Yeah. It's more contagious. It's,
Starting point is 00:27:26 it's more mild, but to your point on Hollywood, the chosen. And if, if y'all haven't seen the chosen, you need to see the chosen. It's free. You guys know about the chosen.
Starting point is 00:27:36 I've heard good things. Okay. So the chosen is a serial video series about the life of Christ. And it was the most successful crowdfunded movie project ever. And it was just Christians who wanted to have the story of Jesus told. And, you know, it's with acting and it's just very well done. It's incredible. The details, it's sort of like fan fiction, but it's actually, you know, based on the Bible, not making a bunch of stuff up. But they then, because the serial like they they released it
Starting point is 00:28:07 basically like a tv um series they then decided to do a christmas special in box office and it actually this christmas past christmas season it just came out in box office it actually the opening weekend per theater shattered all the big ho films, including they defeated on revenue per theater House of Gucci, which was like this huge money suck. So it was incredible. And that just shows. And I actually interviewed the executive producer of The Chosen. I said, how did you guys slay the giant here? How did you guys do this?
Starting point is 00:28:39 And they said, well, it's just the content. And I said, well, I'm sure now at this point, as you were so successful, you've been approached by big houses. And they said, yeah, but we're not going to surrender. We're not going to give that up because they're going to try to pervert what we want to preach, which is the gospel of Jesus. And they're giving it away for free. And their goal is to have it in the hands, I think, of two billion people. I mean, they've already had hundreds of millions of people have viewed this. So it's incredible.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Yeah, good for them. We were sort of speaking about Hollywood and the fact that they're failing. And I think, obviously, a huge reason why new companies like this are becoming successful is because there's a niche in the market that needs to be filled. People don't want to be preached at, or ironically, even when they do want to be preached at, they at least want it to be entertaining. And I think there are obviously ways of spreading Christian morals and messages that don't come off as preaching, which are genuinely entertaining. Now, when it comes to whether traditional Hollywood is going to be able to turn this spiral around and climb back up, I think the answer is probably no.
Starting point is 00:29:36 And the reason that I'm saying that, it's not just out of a sense of optimism here, and I could be wrong. But I don't think this is a group of people who on the individual level are interested in success. I believe because of their ideology, they see themselves as victims and they're satisfied complaining about how corrupt the system is when they fail. So they don't need to get a taste of success. I think that these are, you know, when it comes to Hollywood, when it comes to the establishment left in the media, these are people who are only satisfied if someone else tells them they're worthy. So that's why they all just virtue signal to each other. But eventually that group becomes so broken and just brittle that they have no choice but to seek validation outside of that.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Exactly. And so I think that's part of what we're seeing. You know, look, for Evangeline Lilly to come out and say, this is amazing. And it's glad to see it's happening among celebrities. Who was there first is the question, you know? Who were the people that were always standing up for people's rights, that always stood on principle, never backed down, never questioned it? I mean, those are the people of true principle. So I can certainly say thank you to everybody who's coming around being like, we were wrong about this. It's good to admit you were wrong. Or if you never spoke up about it, speaking up about it now, it's a good thing.
Starting point is 00:30:41 Thank you for joining the fray. But I think it's important to keep that eye out. Some people are just looking for validation. And if they can't get it anymore because their side has gone nuts, they'll just pretend like they want validation from you. Or at least they do want it and they're desperate for any kind of adoration. People who don't know how to think for themselves. So they just say to you, tell me what to say, tell me what to think. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, I think we saw a little bit of that with Claire Lehman and Quillette where they kind of insinuated their way into what was considered
Starting point is 00:31:13 the ideological dark web, which was that right-wing. Let me turn myself up a little bit. And they kind of told right-wingers what they wanted to hear until it became an opportunity for them to be authoritarianism. Oh, yeah, yeah. For those unfamiliar with Quillette and Claire Lehman, I mean, this is a really good example of the inverse. This is a publication that claimed to be like the intellectual dark web outlet.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Now the founder is pro relocation camp for COVID patients and for the COVID suspects in Australia. The Quillette and the founder are opposing efforts to get critical race practice out of schools, calling it censorship and anti-free speech. So they came in, they said, come, come, come, give us, give us money, give us money. And then as soon as they had the opportunity, they just did that shift. And they were like, actually, we were cultist authoritarians the whole time. So what's surprising to me is how many people I know still give Quillette money.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Like people who are following me on Twitter or I'll see people tweet about it. And I'm just like, wow. There are people that I've met and I'm like, how are you still involved in this organization that is outright pro-critical race theory, that is outright supportive of relocation camps for people suspected of coming into contact with another person who may have had COVID, that they support and defend and lie to protect. Police going to the homes of people and taking them without charge or trial to a camp.
Starting point is 00:32:41 They're like, that's a good thing. But was it Claire and then Josh Zeps, I think works for them too. I don't know if he works for them. He's a broadcaster with Australian Broadcasting. Okay. Isn't it that they're basically under duress from their government? It'd be like living in Nazi Germany and having to be
Starting point is 00:32:56 like, yeah, the Nazis are just fine. Wink, wink, get me out of here. Wait, hang on, hang on. I've known Josh Zeps for a long time. He was from the left. So I'm shocked to know that. Okay, I didn't know this change about Colette. So I would imagine that a lot of people are still giving them money because this is the news to me.
Starting point is 00:33:13 I didn't realize they had turned so sharply left. So if they're still getting money from people on the right, it's because they might not know the shift has happened. Because Josh Sheps, I mean, he's a nice person, but he is not a conservative in any sort of right sort of way. So it's interesting because that must be a new recent thing. Because when I worked with him, it was 2016, and he was the left guy. Well, Quillette was like – well, Claire Lehman worked for Rebel in Canada, I'm pretty sure. So that's very conservative. The thing about authoritarianism, you can be liberal or conservative and still be an authoritarian.
Starting point is 00:33:43 Well, that's true. To address your point, Ian, I have to say no. They may be under some duress to a certain degree, but if Avi Yemeni can go out in Australia, this reporter, this journalist, this personality, and stand in front of police officers and say, you cannot make me leave, I'm a journalist. Okay, if he can do that, Quillette can certainly be like, we think it's bad they're putting people in camps. Because Avi does. He does it all day, every day.
Starting point is 00:34:08 So there's a guy who has principles and a backbone who's challenging the authoritarianism. Quillette, they played their little flute and attracted everybody to come over and throw money to them. And then now it's just been like, the state is great. Those camps can go wrong. They can go wrong. But even if the government doesn't want to hurt people, if there's an emergency and a flood, and then people are stuck in the camp,
Starting point is 00:34:33 that's when the guards start to have to make split-second decisions. That's when things can go really bad, is if the guards are going to have to leave their post for some emergency. You don't want people stuck in camps. The camps went bad when the camps existed. Yeah. Well, the idea of like a landing zone camp is understandable for incoming people in a quarantine and that kind of understanding. No.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Well, I mean, I understand the idea of a quarantine. You have 40 days in port, you wait, and then they let you into the country. That's the history of the word quarantine from Venice. Quarenta. Yeah. Building camps is... It's the first step. Well, Building camps is... It's the first step. Well, to be fair...
Starting point is 00:35:07 It's a piece on the chessboard that can be used for great authoritarian damage. But it also could be used for its benevolent use. But when an emergency happens, that's when you see the guards are like, I can't let these people out. There's no running water anymore. And people are like starving in the camps. Also, what's to say these camps wouldn't become super spreader events themselves? That's what I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Because wasn't that the whole thing of liberals at the border? Because they were saying, oh, we can't detain any illegal immigrant because they're going to be in these super spreader camps. So we should just let them all go. So that's what makes no sense to me about these camps in Australia, just from a logistical standpoint. Josh Zapps is the guy who said that they were international arrival bungalows. Bungalow.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Sounds like an Airbnb. And then Claire Lehman is the one who took a bunch of these propaganda photos of Olympic athletes of like, you know, hot babes, she called it. And she was like, look at all the hot babes in this relocation camp. She didn't say relocation camp, but I did. And so we made a shirt that's people on a beach with razor wire in front of them and a guy running from a police boat. And it says, visit Howard Springs totally voluntary relocation camp.
Starting point is 00:36:21 It's actually why Luke left. He saw those women. He's like, I got to go. You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of, was it Fry Fest? Relocation camp. Yeah. It's actually why Luke left. He saw those women. He's like, I got to go. You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of, was it Fry Fest? Remember that big scandal where- Fire Fest. Fire Fest.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Where like the, who was the guy doing it? He raised like millions of dollars and was supposed to be this magic camp where all these like influencers- And it was just like tents.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Oh, I remember this. With bottled water. Yeah. They got sued a lot. They got sued a ton. You know, so this guy. Billy McFarland. Is that the guy's name?
Starting point is 00:36:48 Is that who it was? Fraudulent Luxury Music Festival founded by con artist Billy McFarland. Is that real? Is he a con artist? And rapper Ja Rule. I don't know if that's his. Yeah, Ja Rule. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:57 That's from Wikipedia. No, that's how it was. Having a failed event is not the same as conning people. You know what I mean? That's true. I'm just saying from a marketing standpoint. Remember when Tumblr, TumblrCon or whatever it was called? Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:37:11 They had the ball pit, the inflatable ball pit. Yeah. And it was like a kiddie pool. I was there. I was in the balls, dude. DerbyCon. Yeah. They were like, we're going to do a convention for Tumblr.
Starting point is 00:37:22 And then, you know, everybody bought tickets. But then it was just a big empty like warehouse warehouse with an inflatable kiddie pool from Walmart full of balls. Wow. So I wouldn't consider that a fraud or a scam just because someone's incompetent. You know what I mean? I'm just saying if you're calling it a bungalow, words matter. That's all. That's what i'm saying and then of course he's the guy who went on uh he went on joe rogan's show and said you know essentially that me and magic noize
Starting point is 00:37:51 were alt-right yeah and then joe rogan calls him out and he says well not magic because i know magic it's like so you're saying tim pool is alt-right means i don't know them yes no it's just these these people are i'm gonna like, I think they're evil people. So, look, Josh Zips. I don't think Josh Zips is evil. He's supporting camps where the police go to, they went to a woman's home and they said you are being arrested without charge or trial. And she said she was told it was because she lied to them that they took her from her home and put her in a camp for two weeks. This guy lied about what these camps were doing, defended it, accused me of being alt-right for
Starting point is 00:38:28 suggesting it, lied about my characterization of what was going on on Joe Rogan's show. Joe didn't have enough information to defend what I'd actually said. This dude is evil. When they have camps and the police go to your home and say, come with us. We have the authority to take you under duress with no due process. And he's going on the radio and saying, everybody, it's all right. Go along with the police. Get in the train car.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Get in the train car. Yeah, that's evil. That is an evil. I'm not going to swear. It's an evil guy. One hundred percent. I agree. Here's my question.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Is Josh Sepps, though, more a product? Because Josh is sort of his personality. I'm not saying his beliefs. I don't believe that. He's an affable, more a product. Because Josh is sort of his personality. I'm not saying his beliefs. I don't believe that. He's an affable, likable person. I think he's just doing this because the system is telling him he has to do this in order to whatever. Well, that's hold on. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:39:18 That's the banality of evil. That's literally what it is. Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So is he – I guess it's all about intent. Is he intentionally evil or is he not? I don't think he's intentionally. Right, you could say he's kind, generous, and honest and still evil. Like that can be true.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Like let's be honest. Lex Luthor, right? A character in comic books often does try to save the world, but he doesn't care who he kills in the way. Doctor Doom for the same reason. I'm not saying that Josh Epps is on par with any of these supervillain characters, but when he comes out and...
Starting point is 00:39:52 First, I'll be kind. When I somewhat hyperbolically said that these camps were concentration camps, as the Holocaust Museum defines it, that's a camp where you're taken without due process. That's literally how the holocaust museum defined it so i'm not even you know i'm somewhat trolling on twitter and i've admitted that i'm like i'm just pushing buttons and like you know posting silly nonsense so he gets mad and he's like calling an international
Starting point is 00:40:18 arrival bungalow a concentration camp is wrong and then i'm like okay you know my response was i was being a little hyperbolic that I can accept, but come on, international rival bungalow. My point was, it's only a matter of time before they round up their own citizens and send them to the camp. And after that did happen and I was proven right, he still lies about what I said. Quillette does everything in their power to mischaracterize my claims. When I said you had the, I think it was the premier of the Northern territories. I don't know a whole lot about Australian politics, to be honest. I have a bunch of friends down there.
Starting point is 00:40:51 I talk to them quite often. They tell me what's going on. So then I read news stories. He said that the people who live in these areas no longer had the right to leave their homes unless it was a medical emergency. That means you can't even leave your home for food. That's what I said. How did they characterize what I said? The state even leave your home for food. That's what I said. How did they
Starting point is 00:41:05 characterize what I said? The state is depriving them of food. No, no. I said, you can't even leave your home to get food. So if you're hungry, you got to wait. And then his response, but they're delivering food to their homes. I'm like, great. When the state locks you in your house, like China did, like the Chinese communist party did when they show up to your house and take you by, by vehicle to a camp, and then you lie about what I said, you lie to defend it, and then you accuse me of being alt-right in an attempt to deflect the entire conversation, I'm sorry. There's no way you can argue that man is not an evil piece of garbage. Well, good for you for admitting that you spoke, you know, you even said, okay, I was
Starting point is 00:41:41 trolling, and he didn't have the courage to respond in any sort of gracious – or whatever. They mention – Tim even acknowledged that he was being facetious a bit or whatever. And I'm like, right, I'm not literally saying that they're putting Australians in gas chambers. No, but they are concentrating them in camps. The Holocaust Museum said – I mean, come on. Let's just call a spade a spade, man. Get over it. So I think it may have – it was – I don't know. There's a Holocaust Museum website. I think, come on. Let's just call a spade a spade, man. Get over it. So I think it may – it was – I don't know. There's a Holocaust Museum website.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I think it might be out of Illinois. And they said, what makes a concentration camp different from a normal prison? They said, when you are placed there without due process. And I'm like, okay, well, if that's their definition. But I wasn't even getting to that point. I was just saying, like, the historical and traditional definition was where people were being heavily concentrated, typically, in a time of war or conflict. Yeah. In Nazi Germany, they weren't being gassed at the concentration camps in the beginning either.
Starting point is 00:42:33 They were just concentrating people there. Well, some of them, they were. Just moving them there. But some of them were. Not in the very beginning. Some of them were always. They were work camps at first. Well, I think history will show and is already showing that Josh Epps is on the absolute wrong side of everything.
Starting point is 00:42:49 He's on the wrong side of science. He's on the wrong side of policy. He's on the wrong side of economics. So at the end of the day, I don't really care what Josh Epps has to say. So props to you. I'm on your side 100%. But I think, I guess my point is that, you know, as far as, so for Independent Women's Forum, we're all about trying to get persuadable people. And so we try to be, as we like to say, happy warriors. We don't,
Starting point is 00:43:17 we don't try to use language that is so hyperbolic that we're going to turn people off. But the problem is in this day and age when everyone is always about throwing bombs and trying to be the most outrageous, jumping the shark, you know, how does something reasonable, how does it break through? Is that why we have to use the most extreme language to go after somebody like Josh Sheps?
Starting point is 00:43:37 That's what I find so upsetting because I'm like, I don't want to call him an evil person. I think he's totally wrong and I think he's just on the wrong side of everything. But, like, at what point do we, you know, turn people off by being so, you know, hyperbolic? Well, that's what Josh is saying. This is a challenge. There's a line.
Starting point is 00:43:54 And that line is if someone's going around, you know, murdering babies, for instance, like, do you just say, we don't think that's evil? We just disagree. Well, that is evil, yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa evil. We just disagree. Well, that is evil, yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I agree. That is evil, yeah. So what I'm saying is there are good people, there are people who are good who believe in abortion.
Starting point is 00:44:13 As in, like, to them, they don't understand why it's evil. So everyone who's gotten an abortion is an evil person? Is that what you're saying? But how about a guy who goes around and lies about what they're actually doing and tells you all of the truths and realities? When you guys go out and say, here's what they're actually doing, and then someone goes in the room and says, don't listen to them. They're lying. They're actually white supremacists. None of that happens.
Starting point is 00:44:36 They're not selling body parts. That's all not true. Listen to my voice. Listen. Is it evil to go on the radio and tell millions of people that the truth is actually not true? If in order to, you know, so look, there have been a bunch of stories about Planned Parenthood and the selling of body parts. And we covered them on this show. But you go to some of these news websites and they will outright tell you it never happened.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Is that evil? Is it evil? Might be ignorant. Well, so also I think it's – JMS, is it evil? Yeah, absolutely it's evil. No, I agree. Planned Parenthood is evil. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:11 And I guess, like I said, it's all about intent. So if – I think a lot of things are repeated in the media because of peer pressure and because they actually don't take the time. They're not intellectually curious. There's so much group think. So I think there are a lot of people who might repeat something because they don't actually know that it's evil. So in that case, is the intent of them repeating a lie? So yeah, I guess it's splitting hairs here, but I think it's important from just like a messaging standpoint.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Let me ask. So when Josh Zeps, when I said my point was that it's only a matter of time before they take Australian citizens and bring them there when he discovered that was true would it then still would it then still be uh good for him to lie about what I said and not admit he was wrong no that would be evil I guess that's what I'm saying is the intent and and the the ignorance you know it's all about intent and ignorance So if someone is truly ignorant about what they're saying, how can you judge them as the same as someone who is not truly investigated? That's my – Oh, yeah. It's not malicious.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Malicious, yeah. Well, also, I think there's a really important distinction we need to make here because I think you guys might agree, but the way the language is coming across, there seems as if there's more of a disagreement than there is. We can make a distinction between this person is evil and this action was evil. So we can say that a particular individual might not be morally culpable for engaging in an evil behavior because they didn't know better, but said behavior was still evil.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Yeah, yeah. The sin versus the sinner. Well, exactly. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Exactly. I guess that's, yeah, that's a very, you know, that's what Jesus said. But I see what the Quillette people are doing is willful.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Yeah, no, I agree with that. If you know better than that is, I agree that's evil. If you intentionally know the damages of CRT and what it does to race relations, what it does to black people, it tells them they are hopelessly, you know, basically damned. That's evil. I agree. And if you know that and you're now lying willfully, maliciously, then yeah, I think that's evil i agree and if you know that and you're now lying willfully maliciously then yeah i think that's evil but i think it's all about how much do you know that's
Starting point is 00:47:11 all right but so that would just be the banality of evil right so the people in nazi germany who were just like i was just following orders or whatever we called that the banality of evil but you're talking about premeditated evil yeah malicious intentional destruction and that's what i'm saying is like, okay. And I guess I'm saying this all as someone who was raised in a very abusive cult. When someone came at me and tried to attack me, that's the whole point of a cult, is that it actually made me trench in more. Yeah. So that's my fear when we go around and call people evil without putting the knowledge and the education in front of it.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Then they actually entrench even more. That's when Josh Zeps, when he was on Rogan, specifically said he felt like he would be talking to one of his friends and be like, well, the thing is, okay, they said they were concentrated. They're actually just, and then Tim is out there being like, no, don't listen to him. Don't listen to Josh. They are concentrated. And that's the lie. And so Josh feels attacked.
Starting point is 00:48:03 You could tell from the way he was explaining it that he felt that you were irrationally attacking. And that's the lie because. And that's the lie. And so Josh feels attacked. You could tell from the way he was explaining it that he felt that you were irrationally attacking. And that's the lie because – And that's the miscommunication. What he was saying was when he was talking to Australian people, but we don't have a particularly prominent Australian audience at all. I know for a fact. I look at the numbers. I know the geographics. I know that people in Australia do listen to us sometimes.
Starting point is 00:48:22 And they super chat saying, like, the hours are wonky because of when you guys go live in Eastern time. But his point was that when he's talking with people in Australia who mostly don't know who we are. No, he was angry because in my opinion, even Joe said this. And I don't even know if Joe was joking. He was just like, are you working for the state? He's like, because every criticism comes up, you deflect, you defend. And he's like, they got you on those state drugs? What is it?
Starting point is 00:48:48 And so I'm like, then Joe comes out in a later episode and he was like, that dude, you can't do that. Accuse Magic Noir and Tim Pool of being alt-right or whatever. But I don't want to keep harping on this one guy. I think everyone gets the point. Can I just mention one more thing? Because you made a really interesting point about how you're not really going to persuade people if you come at them in too harsh a way. And I think ultimately it's a question of whether the person you are interacting with is someone you can say with any degree of certainty is acting in good faith. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:14 And so oftentimes there are people who really don't know better. And so I'll have a conversation with somebody about abortion or homosexuality or something where I believe they're misinformed. And I think in that case it doesn't make sense to sit there and tell them that they're an evil person. But then again, if I'm speaking to an abortionist who knows what's happening, who's actually killing these children, I mean, that person is evil. And so there's going to be a different approach, I think. Yeah, no, I agree with that. And I think also, because like I said, for what I do on a day-to-day basis, I'm trying to reach women. Sadly, women are so susceptible to the total BS of CRT. They are so much more susceptible to the language of the left. I mean,
Starting point is 00:49:52 even the New York Times actually did this big, long write-up about gender differences on college campuses and how compared to the 80s, believe it or not, men in the 80s, according to the study, were actually more liberal than women in the 80s according to the study were actually more liberal than women in the 80s and flash forward to now where liberal women are far more liberal and women have bought into the lies of crt and just all all of this the sexual you know total i don't want to swear but just made up stuff um about uh you know the patriarchy and things like that. So it's like, okay, how do I reach a female audience and telling them they're evil
Starting point is 00:50:30 to spread off the bat is not going to work. That is not at all what I'm talking about. I understand and I agree with you. Someone who knowingly is spreading this to millions of people, that is evil. When it comes to an individual who may be doing something like they're smashing dragonflies or something,
Starting point is 00:50:49 just for no reason, and then you're like, hey, they shouldn't do that because those dragonflies are actually killing mosquitoes or something, I wouldn't come up to them and be like, you evil sick... I'd be like, excuse me, did you know? And if they say, that's interesting. Hey, everybody, this guy's lying and he's racist. I'd be like, okay, this person's evil. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:51:06 This person's acting in bad faith. They're malicious. They want to destroy. They want to cause harm. Or they believe they have rights over you and they should lie to you to control you. Yeah. So if the average person is engaging in something that's bad, well, yeah, you treat them like a regular person. In fact, I don't even give them – it's not even about one chance.
Starting point is 00:51:21 It's about two, three chances even. What if you talk to a little kid and he's like, you're stupid. And you're like, no, actually, I'm actually kind of smart. And the kid's like, no, you're stupid. Is the kid evil just because he keeps telling you you're a liar? He's like, no, you're a racist liar. And you're like, no, I'm not. And he's like, yeah, racist liar.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Like is that six-year-old evil because he's repeating this stuff? He's six. Yeah, but he's just repeating. He's brainwashed? He's six. Has he reached the age of... Yeah, but he's just repeating. He's brainwashed. He's not evil. But, Ian, listen. If that six-year-old starts killing small animals and you tell him to stop and he tells you to shut up because you're stupid and keeps doing it, you might have a problem on your
Starting point is 00:51:54 hands. Is he evil or is he brainwashed? I don't know, man. Come on. Kids are just a product of their environment for the most part. Some kids have mental conditions and they harm animals for no reason and they don't stop and they grow up. Some kids like burning things down and they end up killing people.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Not every person is always going to be a good person and sometimes they're very young when they do bad things. Yeah, I think also I want to add something piggybacking off of what you just said to clarify a statement I made earlier where I was referencing the difference between your average person who believes in abortion and an abortionist. I'm also not suggesting that an abortionist is someone who's completely beyond redemption either. I think that we should try to persuade and help anyone and everyone we can to see the truth. But obviously for different people, there's different approaches and some people are going to be more difficult than others. But Ian, I would say that it's a question of whether that child is past the age of reason. And of course, children are much more impressionable. So I think there's more hope in such a circumstance that you're going to be able to modify the behavior. It's not as baked in.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Yeah, I think it was Frederick Douglass who said it's easier to build up healthy children than to repair broken men. Yes. So I think, you know, I want to go back to something you were talking about with women being more susceptible to CRT and stuff. And I'm wondering if that's due perhaps to, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:04 the trope of women being more socially inclined and men being more, like, physically inclined or, you know, goal-oriented, if you know what I mean. Yeah, more achievement or... Well, I think there are... It's personality traits. I mean, I think this whole concept of what's toxic masculinity is something that is sprung out of, so CRT is just, you know, one branch of critical theory. So there's
Starting point is 00:53:30 the critical gender theory, critical race theory, critical class theory, all of these things. So it's just, it is one big Marxist lie at the end of the day. But I think women are more susceptible because, well, in general, women are more liberal. I mean, I said the thing about the 80s, but generally speaking, voting patterns nationally is that women, they, you know, it's the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And so it always sounds nice that Marxism is this fairy tale that sounds nice. Like, why not give everybody free stuff? What I'm asking is, I feel like it's inverted. I feel like women are more social than men, so they're more likely to vote Democrat because of critical race theory. So if you look at Instagram, for instance, women are substantially more likely to get depressed over likes and posting images than men do because there's a social interaction of being accepted and being cheered on by your peers. So I'm not a psychologist or an evolutionary psychologist or biologist or anything like that,
Starting point is 00:54:28 so I don't know exactly if that's true. Just something that I've read, so I'm wondering, when I look at the poll from Vox that showed around 70% of millennial women are Democrats, is this because of social behaviors that men are less likely to be influenced by? Does that result in them? Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, I think there is the group think and the virtue signaling and the rewards. So if you come out and you say, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm a 12 year old girl, and I'm going to start getting testosterone blockers, you will get a lot of Instagram likes.
Starting point is 00:55:03 You're going to be cheered you know and it's it's uh and what if you are a 13 year old girl and say i was wrong about that and want to stop you will be shunned yeah is there any evidence that show if women are more likely to fall into cults than men have you guys ever looked into that kind of thing that is a good question well well what's interesting is that uh there were within mormonism which we were talking about because my ancestors helped found it uh polygamy it's a thing there were i was just about to mention that yeah uh in polygamy so or in mormonism just in general well yeah i i think in i i think for sure in practicing mormonism i think that's the
Starting point is 00:55:41 agreeableness uh jordan peterson's big five personality traits i think that's the agreeableness. Jordan Peterson's big five personality traits, I think it's agreeableness would be the one that would make people kind of just get along, go along to get along. Yeah, and refuse to dissent. Dissent comes with a social cost. So the way the left and Marxism has taken over the
Starting point is 00:56:00 cultural outputs of media, Hollywood and academia, the rewards for dissension are minimizing every year. So that might be part of it for sure. Tim, I think you're onto something. I've found multiple articles. Women are more likely to be in cults than men. Makes sense.
Starting point is 00:56:18 So this one is just from Steemit, so I'm not sure. It says it's from The Independent. I just pulled it up on Google. And it says women are more likely to attend traditional religious services and more vulnerable to joining cults. There's a bunch of other articles talking about the same thing. There was one about Nixxiom, which
Starting point is 00:56:33 from the National Post that said women are more susceptible to joining cults. And there's another one from 2014 about Brazil. And they said majority of the women around the world, majority of the people around the world in cults are women. Tribal life was probably just like a cult. You got your tribal chief, who's the cult leader, and then everybody else.
Starting point is 00:56:51 And then in some cults, or in some cults, in some tribes, cultures, where the word comes from, they would all share the child rearing together. All the men would have sex with all the women, and they would just, no one knew who the dad was. They would just all, as a tribe, raise the children. Very cult-like. It tends to be very ineffective, too. Very modern-day cult-like, you would consider. That would be a very weird polygamous cult. What were you going to say, Seamus? Well, I think another way of analyzing this and the political differences that we tend to see between men and women is it seems to be the case, and there are
Starting point is 00:57:21 some smaller studies which have suggested this, but men are much more comfortable with hierarchy than women are. Women tend to be more comfortable in an egalitarian structure. That's what the New York Times article was saying as well. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. And it makes sense. And so, you know, there's a time and place for both because obviously— Which is a very Marxist idea, the egalitarian promise of Marxism, which is actually a lie because they have their elite party leaders who are, you know, by far the top of the hierarchy.
Starting point is 00:57:48 No, exactly. And so I believe that there's obviously value in this. And I'm, you know, a firm believer in complementarianism and that men and women are different. And, you know, our strengths sort of complement one another's weaknesses and vice versa. There are good reasons in some circumstances to be skeptical of an authority structure. And so it's good that that is baked into a women generally in a way that's not baked into men. But also it is often the case where the authority structure is fine and you have to submit to it, even if it hurts your ego. And in those cases, a more male way, so to speak, of thinking about the issue tends to be the better one. And it's really interesting that we can actually see how
Starting point is 00:58:24 that affects people's voting patterns. Well, it's interesting you said that about the hierarchy with business, because I remember that's something that Jordan Peterson has said over and over, because women in business are always like, men always run business, and it's all sexism why there's the pay gap, which we know is mythological and isn't real. But they repeat these lies because it makes them feel good because there are fewer female CEOs. And they're always saying, well, we need to have a female way of doing business. But as Jordan Peterson says, OK, if there was an actual female way to do business versus
Starting point is 00:59:01 male way, the market would reward this. If there was a non-hierarchical way to do business successfully, the market would reward it. But it doesn't because it's not true. Who is James Damore? He was a Google employee. And he actually wrote, we should change the way we do business here to accommodate women. They called him sexist for it.
Starting point is 00:59:22 The weirdest thing to me is that here's a guy who's saying i recognize that women you know are in a patriarchy and we should be more accommodating to them and they were like burn the witch or the warlock in this instance yeah the wizard no but i mean he was saying like women women work better in different environments than men so why don't we do this that or otherwise and they were like it was a white supremacist alt-right racist and it's just like so when they agree with you, they're racist. When they disagree with you, they're racist. Sure.
Starting point is 00:59:49 It's like a moth being drawn to the fire. They're like, come, moths, come to the flame. And then when they get too close, they're like, you did exactly what we wanted you to do. Yeah. It was a trick. You spouted our rhetoric. And then also, if there was a real pay gap, there would be no men ever hired.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Like, if you could get the same quality, same caliber, same credentialing of a female worker for whatever, 25% less, hell, y'all would be unemployed. Except that argument assumes men and women have equal capabilities. So I always thought that was interesting because there's a video by this guy Maddox. You ever see it the truth about the wage gap or whatever he made a long time ago it's actually really well done and he's like want to know one one simple reason why there's no such thing as a pay gap because if there was
Starting point is 01:00:34 no company would ever hire men unless you had to pay the same but men were better at the job then they would only hire men exactly yeah well it's so sad too, that there are people who want to deny the reality of these differences because the world is so beautiful in so many ways. And one of the things that makes it so beautiful is the contrast between men and women.
Starting point is 01:00:55 And if we deny that, which makes us weaker when we're apart, we're also foregoing that, which makes us stronger when we come together, at least acknowledging that men and women really need each other. But when you want to have this sort of strange, flat, egalitarian, Marxist-style thinking surrounding gender, you lose all that. There isn't any such thing as a trait which is more prevalent or common among men. You wouldn't refer to the masculine virtues or feminine virtues or anything like that. Yeah, because like Celine Dion, she creates a genderless line of baby clothes because gender is just a construct. Which is so crazy.
Starting point is 01:01:28 I went through a really codependent, kind of long-term relationship about six years. So I came out of it. Pendulum swung the other way, and I was like, I want to be in a relationship where we're equal, where we're both powerful, alpha. We're both – equal means the same. So I tried to go that route, and it didn't work. Men and women aren't the same. We're very different. And sometimes I think women are not equipped to play a support role.
Starting point is 01:01:54 It's not that the man can't play a support role, but, man, women are good at it. I don't know if that's a generalization. Like the man is the tank and the woman is the healer. Yes. Well, and it's also, again, this is all very biblical, so it's going to be very offensive to people. But, yeah, there's just a natural law structure to things where women do look to men for leadership.
Starting point is 01:02:12 And women are miserable when they're with men who won't step up and take that role. They don't enjoy that. Sounding like Jordan Peterson. It's like it's unbelievable. Here's the thing that people are so trash about men and women. They look for men to be leaders. Keep going. That's great. It's like here's the thing. Here's the thing that people are trash about men and women keep going that's great it's like here's the thing here's the thing can you identify as jordan peterson can i get your autograph yeah you can get my autograph yeah absolutely ladies and gentlemen uh as long as jamis does identify as dr jordan peterson then i can write down we
Starting point is 01:02:38 have we had we had him on the show that's true well the thing is whenever you have one of those relationships where the guy's like she's the, I feel so bad for both of them. For both of them. No one's happy with that arena. No one's happy with that arena. There might be a situation where that works. Because she's like, why won't he just step up and do the things? Hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Hold on, Seamus. You look at lions, right? And the male lion lazes about, does nothing. The women do all the work, get all the food. He eats whatever he wants first, goes back to sleep and then she has all the babies? He's got a baby. Yeah, I mean, isn't that what's going on with these guys? Not fulfilling, but that's
Starting point is 01:03:12 the thing. And I've said this before. We live in a culture where women are acting like men and men are acting like children. And part of the reason women are acting like men is because the men are acting like children and someone needs to usurp that role unfortunately. I'm not saying it's a good thing. Well, the government is. That's what's happened. The government has destroyed, for example, the black family. Absolutely. The fact
Starting point is 01:03:32 that 75% of black babies pre-welfare were born in two-parent homes and now it's the reverse. What's happened is that Uncle Sam has taken over the role of the father, the provider in the home. Perhaps. I mean, I've heard that quite a bit, but I wonder if it's just, how about we just address that first point in whatever form. So for instance, Black Lives Matter wants to disrupt the nuclear family. I don't know if we need to come out and be like welfare specifically, other than to just say, hey, families are good.
Starting point is 01:04:01 Well, yeah, it's the culture. It's always a feedback loop, but the culture predicated the policy, and then the policy exacerbated the culture because it didn't happen overnight. I want to talk about that. Yeah, that's why I mentioned one more thing. There was actually an analysis, I believe, from the Brookings Institute, which is really fascinating because it said that the primary reason for the breaking up of the black family and the fatherlessness epidemic, which of course we are catching up to as well, was actually Roe v. Wade. And the fact that women could get abortions really subverted the family structure.
Starting point is 01:04:33 It was all of it. I think it was also just the normalization with the 60s of the disruption of, you know, the drug, sex, and rock and roll, that basically the norms of, okay, let's wait until we're married before we have sex. That was totally thrown out the window. So this whole era was the infantilization of a generation. Yeah. To be told to live for your pleasures, for your short-term gains, for your whims like a child.
Starting point is 01:04:58 Instead of realizing you've got to roll up your sleeves and strive for yourself. That trickles down. And, you know, I look at, I hear these stories, you know, your grandfather, he could support a family of five on a high school education. And I'm just like, there's a lot to break down there in terms of, you know, even immigration and stuff like that. But also these are people who fought in World War II and they knew the value of hard work and they knew what it meant that if you did not struggle to survive, you did not survive. And then you get the next generation that have all the fruits of world war ii the the you
Starting point is 01:05:29 know we we decimated the japanese and german industries that that you know among a variety of things our industries explode our economy is booming we have all of these babies and they grow up in a world where everything's handed to them now i'm very i'm i'm very much uh critical of overall the boomer the boomer generation yeah they've extracted a ton of wealth for themselves they're hoarding all of that wealth and yeah i certainly think millennials are a lost generation too but i think it's it starts with this and i think it's very simply you know you can call it strass how generational theory you could call it strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times, et cetera. And we're in that hard time phase. So the way I view the
Starting point is 01:06:09 boomer generation, some of Gen X and millennials as their children, they are childlike generations. They don't understand the real world. And by real world, I mean, take someone, take a human being, take away all of their clothing and everything they own and put them in the middle of the woods. Welcome to reality. Because that's what life was like. But we've created this bubble of security and safety and industry and technology. And we're all born into it. Imagine starting a video game like you're playing Zelda, but you have every weapon and
Starting point is 01:06:42 every item. You wouldn't understand what you're earning in the video game. Imagine if you're playing an RPG and your character starts completely invincible with all of this power and money. You'd be like, what am I doing here? Exactly. Why am I playing this game? It makes the game hard to learn when you have all the abilities when you start.
Starting point is 01:06:58 Tim, I 10,000% everything you just said, I completely agree with. The word teenager didn't exist really like the concept of a teenager a teen i'm a teen a preteen or whatever like that didn't really happen i don't think until the 50s like the word teenager in the bible no is it in the odyssey no like it's a concept it is a wealthy post-industrialized, rich country, spoiled, who's living off the backs of the greatest generation. You want to get real offensive to everybody?
Starting point is 01:07:31 Feminism only exists in secure, wealthy nations. Absolutely. 10,000%. It's a luxury. It's a luxury item. Yeah. Well, it's a correction mechanism. It redistributes the wealth because once that society has feminism,
Starting point is 01:07:44 it starts to collapse and the societies that actually have their gender roles together, sexual roles together, take over. But it's also the case that with the boomers, what's so tragic about that generation is we look back on them. And when I say we, I'm talking about the common narrative, not necessarily what people here believe. What people look back on them is if they were this incredible revolutionary generation that came in and shook the foundations.
Starting point is 01:08:06 Dude, their parents had lived through the Great Depression and then lived through the Second World War, many of them fighting in it. And even those who didn't fight in it had to struggle through the hard times of rationing. And then with all of the wisdom that their parents had accumulated, they turned around and were like, we need to give them our wisdom. They're like, Mom and Dad, no, I'm going to go to a rock and roll concert and have sex with strangers. And we look back on this as if we call it a revolution. It was the sexual revolution. And that's great if you understand the term revolution the way I do, which is in a negative connotation. But to glorify that kind of behavior, it was a generation of spoiled teenagers who ended up ruining their inheritance.
Starting point is 01:08:42 No, totally. And it's not progressive at all. It is regressive. teenagers who ended up ruining their inheritance no totally and it's not progressive at all it is regressive talking about like what you were talking about our ancestors living in huts and you know i have native american ancestors so i can say this uh you know it's it's it's savage it's it's living in uh you know societies that are uh you know promiscuous that's that's it's regressive to go back to that. Marriage was an innovation for women. I'm not as negative on feminism as you are, Seamus. No one is. So when I say
Starting point is 01:09:14 getting offensive, I think it's a fact that if you look across the world at all of these countries, the countries that are least secure, it's very difficult for women to have rights to have power because war, conflict, aggression. But I think we need a healthy balance. I certainly think there's been instances of men controlling too much and women being less involved. But now we're going the other way where our society is becoming overtly feminine. I think there needs to be a happy medium of a matriarch and a patriarchal kind of approach to things like a mother and a father.
Starting point is 01:09:45 There's a meme where someone's like – he's standing on a cliff and he says, a company board should have a man and a woman. And everyone's like, yay. And then he goes, a child should have a mother and a father. And they're like, boo. But I'm like, no, I think that it scales and there is a benefit to a masculine and a feminine view. And if it skews too much in one direction, you get authoritarianism in different ways. Yeah, well, and I would say, and this is part of why I still disregard feminism,
Starting point is 01:10:10 even though I absolutely agree that in many parts of the world, women are treated like dirt. And also throughout history, men have not always treated women well, obviously. Humans are a fallen species. But in those systems, it's not that you have a patriarchy,
Starting point is 01:10:23 it's that you have an extremely disordered patriarchy where the men are effeminate. They're not virtuous. They don't stand up for their women and protect them. They treat them poorly because their conception of the relationship between men and women is women need to give, give, give, and I need to take, take, take. Whereas the way men are supposed to operate is as giving and women are to operate essentially as receptive based on any kind of natural law vision of the world. Let's do a hard, hard segue because we went off into a whole new universe on that one. We have this story. I said we're going to talk about it.
Starting point is 01:10:55 We got this from CNN. Scientists slam Joe Rogan's podcast episode with Jordan Peterson as absurd and dangerous. Absurd. Absurd. What are they talking about? It was the greatest podcast ever. I was listening to some of it. I'm saving it because I'm going on a trip this weekend,
Starting point is 01:11:09 so I was like, I want to be able to listen to the full four hours. But Jordan Peterson really does say absurd. You know, that kind of like absurd. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. This segment is not about CNN complaining about Joe Rogan's podcast. It's about Joe Rogan's basically the New York Times. I've talked about this before. Setting the news cycle.
Starting point is 01:11:30 What is the story we should be talking about? The New York Times, above the fold, front page news story, Ukraine invasion, Russia goes. Are we talking about whatever it is the New York Times cares about? Not really. We're talking about what Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan want to talk about. Did I say Jordan Peterson before? Joe Rogan is effectively...
Starting point is 01:11:50 No, you said Joe Rogan. I said Joe Rogan. He's become the New York Times. So when CNN is like scientists are upset at Joe Rogan's podcast over his story, Joe has just gotten them to talk about climate change. And now here we are addressing the issue. Joe Rogan's been in the news cycle nonstop for like, what now?
Starting point is 01:12:07 Months over the guests he's been having. And it's with increasing frequency. Check this out. First, you have CNN. Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. We have The Verge. Spotify can't afford to lose Joe Rogan. Now it's not even about Neil Young anymore.
Starting point is 01:12:19 It's just about him. We have this from The Independent. What is this one? Joe Rogan podcast guest claims pandemic is the money grab and they're trying to kill us once again. And that's Jordan Peterson. So what I see here is, look, man, we're effectively becoming the Joe Rogan review podcast.
Starting point is 01:12:36 I'm going to talk about this. But to be honest, we were the CNN review podcast before that. We criticize the media. We criticize the mainstream press and the media lies. And now that Joe is basically taking over, you know, dictation of the news cycle, it is becoming prominent. It is becoming common to discuss the ideas that he's talking about. In fact, so prominent, I believe I could be wrong, but I believe the 13th biggest podcast in the U S is the Joe Rogan experience review. Whoa. Yeah. It's like.S. is the Joe Rogan Experience Review.
Starting point is 01:13:06 Whoa. Yeah. It's like some guy's talking about what Joe Rogan talked about. Wow. Yeah. Is he the number one? Joe Rogan isn't on iTunes anymore. Oh, yeah. Spotify.
Starting point is 01:13:16 So, of course, he's number one on Spotify. Right. Never moving. But on iTunes, I think it's number 13 is the Joe Rogan Review podcast. So this is so interesting to me and watching the mainstream media try to slam podcasts as like this huge source
Starting point is 01:13:31 of miss and disinformation is really intriguing to me because it looks like they're starting to wake up to the fact that Joe Rogan is in fact calling the shots. Like you were saying, he is in fact controlling the narrative.
Starting point is 01:13:42 He's making them talk about this one thing that he wants to talk about. And whether they realize it or not, they're very much responding to exactly what he's doing, which if you are a very clever person, I'm sure he could use exactly to his advantage. And you're right. I do think that should give us a lot of hope as far as the right is concerned. I think that this means that the media is kind of starting to pay attention to the right,
Starting point is 01:14:03 starting to hopefully perhaps maybe cater to the right. Not that we really necessarily want them to, but it's definitely a factor and things are definitely shifting. So perhaps the tide is turning. I was right real quick. Just to pull it up. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've got the iTunes top charts. Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast number 13.
Starting point is 01:14:20 Right below Ben. And Father Mike Schmitz is still top 10 with the Bible in a Year. He was the number one podcast. Look at that. He was the number one podcast. Look at that. He was the number one podcast for a while. He's Father What a Waste. I hate that. He's so attractive.
Starting point is 01:14:30 But that is exactly. Priests, there are so many. Look, the priesthood is not just for men who are not attractive. If you are an attractive young man, do not think your vocation would be a waste. Can you be a female priest? No. That's a priestess. We don't have those yeah priestess yeah this is cool because i don't think rogan on is i don't consider him on the right at all and by any means the dude wants
Starting point is 01:14:54 like universal basic income he's super like kind of left libertarian um but anything that's not far left these days people are like it's's right, because they're trying to centralize the far left. Yeah, I think of him as independent. Like, I really do. And yes, anything that is not Marxist is right wing. Yeah. But I just think of him as independent. I've mentioned this before, but on my first day of college, or at the very least, it was the first class I ever took to college.
Starting point is 01:15:24 I was at a local community college. And this, this was in 2013 and my art teacher recommended the Joe Rogan experience. And at the time the art teacher was liberal today, he would probably be considered if he has the same opinions, independent or right wing. And I remember thinking, what is this like liberal garbage podcast? he's about to recommend me and i remember when i first listened to joe rogan i enjoyed it but i was like oh yeah this guy's definitely like on the left but i kind of want to hear his opinions and now joe rogan is considered this far right figure it's so bizarre how quickly that that's that's i think what happened to trump because it's like trump don't that was one reason i was actually never a trumper
Starting point is 01:16:00 in 2016 i i now i'm totally ashamed admit this. Please don't hate me. I was living in New York, so the vote didn't matter. I wrote in Ben Sasse, I totally regret my 2016 vote, but I was a never-Trumper till the end. But then in 2020,
Starting point is 01:16:14 I proudly voted for Trump. But one of the reasons why I was never-Trumper was that I thought that Trump wasn't a conservative. I was like, this guy donated to Hillary Clinton. He has no track record
Starting point is 01:16:24 that I can look to to suggest that he would do anything that's conservative. I was like, this guy donated to Hillary Clinton. He has no track record that I can look to to suggest that he would do anything that's conservative. But I think just by how insanely Marxist the Democrat Party had become, that's who he was. He was an independent person, and he donated to both sides. But, you know, I think I was unwilling to break my perception and my bigotry toward this notion of someone had to have this label as conservative or liberal. So I was just looking at the podcast charts. Someone had commented on one of my podcasts, and they said, I referred to Democrats as city, urban, liberal types. And? City, urban, liberal types. That? City urban liberal types.
Starting point is 01:17:06 That's a cult. That's right. That's true. That's a cult. And they were like, did you mean to do that? And I was like, oh wow,
Starting point is 01:17:11 I did not. I was just like, these shitty urban liberal types. Let me say it a second. There we go, we got a new acronym. I love this idea too that alternative media
Starting point is 01:17:21 is dangerous and these podcasters are dangerous as if it was the alternative media that lied us into a 20 year long war. As if it was alternative media is dangerous and these podcasters are dangerous as if it was the alternative media that lied us into a 20-year-long war, as if it was alternative media that refused to entertain the possibility that this virus could have been manufactured, as if it was alternative media that was trying to suppress whistleblowers and remove people's platforms
Starting point is 01:17:37 from them. It's so obvious at this point. Well, don't you know that it was actually Joe Rogan who ordered that missile strike on Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Do you guys remember?
Starting point is 01:17:45 He was that child, 16-year-old kid who was killed in a drone strike in Yemen. Oh, my gosh. And Barack Obama was sitting at his table, and his cabinet comes in, and they're like, Mr. President, we got a child that needs to die. And Obama was like, Joe, what do I do? And then Joe was like, look, man, look, you got to bomb this kid. And then they smoked some DMT. Well, that's the insane thing, right? These people are such lapdogs for the establishment. And
Starting point is 01:18:14 when they say that these podcasts are threatening, we all know what they're really saying is that they are a threat to our control. I don't know if it's funny enough for a bit or whatever, but it would be, you know, the gag I'm imagining is like the New York Times is researching like the Iraq WMDs and Joe Rogan is sitting in the room. And he's like – they got weapons of – he's like smoking and he's like, yo, they got weapons of mass destruction. Like are you sure? Dude, I'm so sure. And they're like – Trump's like, you know what?
Starting point is 01:18:41 I think there was Russian collusion. Like all of the conspiracy theories. Every story. Like just Joe having to open the alternate medium. Those 13 Marines who died last August, Joe Rogan ordered Joe Biden to drop that strike. Yeah, exactly. These people are so dangerous. It's so frightening.
Starting point is 01:18:58 Hey, who convinced the American people or tried to convince the American people that it was a great idea to engage in literally the largest transfer of wealth that's ever existed in all of human history and print trillions of dollars? Was that alternative media? Why is food so expensive right now? Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is on the Fed. Joe Rogan is he's he's on the he's on the he's on the Fed. He's he's in a room chilling with Bezos and Bill Gates. And he just goes, yeah, I'm just saying there's too many people. Oh, my gosh. But you remember when that was like the edgy little thing to say? You know what? I actually heard that Margaret Sanger is an ancestor of Joe Rogan.
Starting point is 01:19:35 Oh, yeah. And runs in the family. You know what's funny? Like, we're joking about it. And obviously the joke is that they keep accusing him of being so dangerous or whatever that we're jokingly tying into all these things. I think that would be one of the best conspiracies ever. That like Joe actually is the leader of the Illuminati and he keeps Alex close because you've got to keep your friends close but your enemies closer. So he keeps Alex Jones on standby.
Starting point is 01:19:58 No one would suspect Joe. He's the foil. They're just like, it's like five years from now, they try to claim that Joe was on the exact opposite side of every issue that he was actually on because of how people reflect on the past. Like, remember when Joe Rogan was like crazy in favor of the mandates? And in the meeting, we were like, that's irresponsible, man. How could he? That's what they, it's remarkable. I mean, that's kind of what we're seeing now when you see these,
Starting point is 01:20:21 like, you know, that's why I'm critical of Bill Maher to a certain degree. Because it's like when Bill Maher came out and said fauci can't tell me what to do it's like fauci said do as you're told in november of 2020 and now he's coming out acting like haha i'm defiant it's just like dude you're not convincing anybody you know so i'll tell you what'll happen for one the point of this segment was to point out that Joe owns the news cycle. He talks about with Jordan Peterson, climate change, and all of a sudden that's like the conversation people are having. It's remarkable because everyone knows he owns it. So moving forward, I think what's going to happen is with like Evangeline Lilly, these celebrities, they know. They know what's popular.
Starting point is 01:21:03 Ethan Klein, a good friend over at the H3 podcast you see him coming out and mocking Joe Rogan over and over again and it's just like dude like you're choosing
Starting point is 01:21:11 the losing side of this freedom free inquiry is winning and all the smear campaigns and everything they want to do it just doesn't work because
Starting point is 01:21:20 what it comes down to is what people want is authenticity the people who listen to Joe know he's not a scientist. They know he's not a doctor. They know he's not the smartest guy in the world. And you can look at the comments and they're just like, he's just a guy. And that's what it was with Vice.
Starting point is 01:21:36 In the late 2000s, in the early 2010s, Vice was authentic. The way it was described is that Vice was like if your bar buddy went to Afghanistan. And they'd be talking to you like a friend about what they experienced and telling a story. As opposed to a guy in a suit being like, let me tell you as the authority. So that's what Joe's embodied. Regular dude having conversations with a bunch of crazy people, asking questions. And I've got to be honest, Joe's not even particularly adversarial. He's not. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:05 Like when he had Josh Zeps on, we, we, you know, I ranted about him quite a bit who insinuated I was all right. Joe defended me, but still rather passively. And then, and then he tweeted when, when people are making fun of him over his myocarditis segment with Josh Zeps, he said, I love the guy and I'm glad he was able to show me or whatever. He's still not particularly adversarial. So I will say it's absurd to me that the media is going after him so hard.
Starting point is 01:22:33 When Joe had Sanjay Gupta on and defended Sanjay after the fact, when Sanjay wrote an article saying, I was scared Joe Rogan was going to jump the table and throttle my neck. When I brought that up, Joe was like, come on, he's just trying to be funny. And I'm like, okay, sure. But I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.
Starting point is 01:22:50 I think he genuinely was scared. I mean, the dude admitted he never had a three-hour conversation with another human being. That's crazy. What? How is that possible? Does he have a wife? Has he gone to school? I think he met like a one-on-one interview.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Oh, interview. I think that was what he was implying. But hold on, hold on, hold on. Better put it out here, yeah. But I probably, thousands upon thousands of times, I've had three-hour conversations with tons of different people. You have. No, outside of this show.
Starting point is 01:23:18 Not Sanjay. It's not normal, though. Most people don't do that. Oh, come on, dude. I feel like it is normal. To have a three-hour conversation. A three-hour one-on-one. Yeah, that's pretty normal.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Dude, I'd be at my friend's house. All the people here, everyone's like, it's totally normal, you guys. It's totally normal. Well, so do you think- We're all talkers. We're all people. I think it's normal. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 01:23:36 Carrie thinks it's normal. Shannon thinks it's normal. I think it's completely normal. I don't even talk that much. I think it's normal. Ian, do you think it's normal? No, no. But hold on.
Starting point is 01:23:43 We come from very different backgrounds, all of us here. So it may not be a great sampling. But my story is I'd be hanging out at my friend's house on a Saturday evening or whatever. It would be me and one or two other people. And we would talk for five or six hours while some music was playing in the background. Right, but you're not listening the whole time. People will chat. No, we're all talking.
Starting point is 01:24:03 And then you'll be like, huh? Or you'll zone out. And you'll be looking at something while they're talking, or there will be times when no one's talking. They're going at it straight, listening to each other for three hours. You are making up what I just said, interpreting it. You're sitting for five hours. We're literally sitting in this backyard. You hung out with a group of friends.
Starting point is 01:24:20 It's different. A group of friends had two or three people. We're sitting in the backyard, and we were talking about space and time and aliens and we would just talk for hours. I used to do that too. Taco Bell. We'd sit there for four hours. Free refills.
Starting point is 01:24:32 At my friend's place, I would go to Wendy's and I would buy like 30 bucks worth of Wendy's and just get it. That was back when they had a dollar menu. So I'd get like 20 something dollars. Inflation. Joe Rogan and that inflation. Damn it. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:24:43 I couldn't believe. 17 years ago and we'd be sitting there on my friend's couch and it would be me and maybe one or one other person and we would just be like
Starting point is 01:24:51 I remember having conversations about how time could what time is and we're talking about gravity just having the exact same kind of conversations that Joe
Starting point is 01:24:59 would be having yeah that was normal for me and politics too I'd be talking about all this stuff so for me when he mentioned like I've I'd be talking about all this stuff. So for me, when he mentioned, like, I've never even had a conversation this long, I'm like, at some point in your life, at least once, you've never done that? I mentioned this at home.
Starting point is 01:25:13 I think it was last night. And I was like, this blew my mind. I could not believe that he hadn't had a conversation that long. But to get back to your point, I think that Joe Rogan and the Joe Rogan fight really highlights the difference between the elite and just a regular person. And the elite think that they need, that we need them to tell us what to do. And all we want is someone who's genuine. And they can't get it through their heads. They do not understand that.
Starting point is 01:25:37 And the fight will never end. And that is the actual threat to democracy. That is what the elite mindset is the actual threat to democracy. Joe Rogan is the people. He's the opposite of the threat to democracy. That is what the elite mindset is, the actual threat to democracy. Joe Rogan is the people. He's the opposite of the threat to democracy. That's what I am so angry about. The Washington Post motto, democracy dies in dark.
Starting point is 01:25:56 That is the most disgusting. That's an evil motto. Well, I hope you're checking it out. Check it out. Think about what they do. Every article they produced, they just did a big hit job on the Independent Women's Forum, which was full of lies.
Starting point is 01:26:08 And I'm like you actually – this elite institution, which had a very storied history, has become so corrupt that their claims – again, words don't matter. If you're throwing that phrase around, you actually don't know what it means. It's the people. Look at what The Washington Post does, what they say they say what they do they say democracy dies in darkness we are we need more darkness yeah yeah exactly that's what they're doing i was gonna say they did a hit piece on you they did a hit piece on a 16 year old boy for no reason that wasn't even newsworthy yeah it wasn't even a story what is that all about the covington sandman oh yeah well he he got his due we didn't get our payout, unfortunately.
Starting point is 01:26:46 Are you guys suing him? It's like having the Washington Post write about you as like slipping outside of a fancy restaurant. You're just like hoping, like, all right, this might be able to turn into a lawsuit for me. Did they go too far? Are you guys considering suing them? If we were, I couldn't tell you. But they basically went after an organization we have. So we have a membership group called the Independent Women's Network.
Starting point is 01:27:06 And our policy director, Hadley, wrote a form letter, like just a suggestion of a letter you could write to your school, the kids, if they're being forced to wear masks. Very polite letter, just kind of ideas on what to include in the letter. And the Washington Post takes it uh and they infiltrated our group they someone bought a fake membership and leaked it to the washington post and um they're like uh this you know evil coke back grouped because we get some money not i can't disclose how much but we do get some money from the coke network but we get money from a lot of other organizations but they put it on the front page and they they're like, they're trying to spread misinformation and basically encourage extremism and violence at school boards and encourage people to be riled up
Starting point is 01:27:55 and tell moms to be demonic. And I'm obviously using flirts words, but that's basically what they were saying because of this very polite form letter. And actually, the letter itself included studies that explicitly, very well regarded studies about the efficacy and the problems with masks. The story didn't even address any of the studies. All they did was their hyperbole and just, it was really upsetting, but not surprising. Well, yeah, they usually will address the mandate and not the actual medical science. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:35 No, but to the point earlier where we were talking about threat to democracy. So I wrote the piece recently for the New York Post, and I was looking at research about just how bigoted liberals are. So there was a study, a poll looking at, you know, I looked at many polls, but this one looked at college campuses and how bigoted Republican students were versus Democrat students. It found that 30% of Democrats and only 7% of Republicans said they would not work for someone who voted differently from them. And also this polling was done by Axios and Generation Lab, which are not right-wing organizations, and they also said that only 5% of Republican college students
Starting point is 01:29:10 said they wouldn't befriend someone from the opposite party versus 37% of Democrats. And then Republicans, 71% of Democrats said they would not date someone who was a Republican versus 31%. Oh, no. They won't date us? That's so sad. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:29:29 That's horrible. Well, it's also interesting. They're bigoted in other ways, too. There was a study which showed that white liberals were likely to dumb down their language when talking to black people. And white conservatives were not. Yeah. That was really revealing. But did it shock you at all? No. to dumb down their language when talking to black people in white conservatives or not yeah that was really revealing but did it shock you at all no there was no part of me that read that and went what i can't believe this right now would they would they really do that this was a big red pill
Starting point is 01:29:58 for uh i can't remember who we were talking to was it was it batia baby yeah she i think she was saying that that was the like the red pill moment for her when she read that and was like, if this is true, that says something. Yeah. It says it, and it says it in a dumbed-down way. Because it looks down on you. It thinks that you exist as a pawn for its political agenda. Yikes, yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:20 Well, it's the city-urban-liberal types. Yep, yep. That's right. City-urban. I sense a t-shirt coming out. Hey, that's a good one. Hey, is that why women are more likely to be a part of it? What?
Starting point is 01:30:30 C-U-L-T. We were just talking. Women are more likely to end up in cults. So we'll make women shirts? Are you saying we should make a t-shirt for women? That's not what I said. I was a quick little off-the-cuff joke. Didn't land.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Had to explain it. Never pitched a shirt. Don't put that on me. I'm assuming the people who do the merch for TimCast are listening. Yeah, of course. Yeah, always. So, hey, we'll do city urban liberal types. That's a good shirt, right?
Starting point is 01:30:48 That is a really good shirt. I love it. Let's make it. All right, let's read Super Chats. If you haven't already, smash the like button. Or as I posted in the chat, smush, smush the like button. Oh, smush, smush. And send in those Super Chats.
Starting point is 01:31:01 We'll try and do what we can. Go to TimCast.com. Become a member. We're going to have a members-only podcast up around 11 or so p.m. Uncensored at TimCast.com. All right, let's read what we got here. Iam says, Ian, the Federal Reserve speaks of making their own crypto, and now the Biden admin is using the national security apparatus to attack them.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Why is that? Cryptos, that is. Interesting. You hear that? They're going to regulate it? They want to regulate it? Yeah. I have heard that.
Starting point is 01:31:23 Central bank crypto. I think that it is going to be done. It might even not be done on a blockchain. Although they call it crypto, it's not the same thing. You can have a crypto that's not on a blockchain and not secured. What's it going to be? It's going to be called WarCoin. And every single time we go to war with another country, it's just going to skyrocket.
Starting point is 01:31:39 Seamus. Can you read this next Super Chat right here? Hold on. Tim, here is some money to get Seamus an Ireland flag, a pot of gold, and a St. Joseph statue to go behind his wall from one Irish flag to another. I think that's beautiful. Frankly, if we could get like a papal flag behind me, I would love it. That would be perfect.
Starting point is 01:31:58 What did St. Joseph do? St. Joseph was the husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Oh, that's Joe? Yeah, St. Joseph. Joe. Shout out to Joe. He was the foster father of Jesus Virgin Mary. Oh, that's Joe? Yeah, St. Joseph. He was the foster father of Jesus Christ. Just your average Joe. Is that where that comes from? Not your average Joe, absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:32:11 He was the second holiest of all the saints. Oh, he is? He like adopted Jesus, right? Well, he was the foster father. Let's read some more. Let's read some more. What's it says? Visek says, good job, Seamus, getting Tim Pool as a guest on your show.
Starting point is 01:32:25 Thank you. Shimcast IRL. You're welcome. And I've gotten Tim on my show. I've done Tim's show plenty of time, Timmy Tunes, where he does these political cartoons. They're pretty good. Yeah, every now and again I'll come and voice Dr. Fauci for him. I like your Jordan Peterson, though.
Starting point is 01:32:44 Thank you so much. It's a life accomplishment of mine to have a voice acting credit. For those that don't know, I am the voice of Dr. Fauci on Freedom 2. People never know. People never know. I'll mention that you're the voice of Dr. Fauci.
Starting point is 01:32:58 Wait, really? Wait, can we hear it? You don't need to be wearing two masks. It was... Dude, we probably improv'd like... It's a way rougher version of his actual voice. Yeah. Well, also...
Starting point is 01:33:11 I love it. Spot on. I put a little slate at the end of every video that lists donors and also lists credits. So Tim gets listed in the credits. And you actually have IM... Internet Movie Database. IMDB, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:23 Credits for your Doc Wants to Be Cheap. Do you get royalties every time it's played? That's actually how he's funding this. He gets royalties from Freedom Toons. That's actually a bit we were going to do for the vlog where it's like the joke is that Seamus, the royalties from Freedom Toons are what fund everything and everything. It's like we're just trying to maintain an image. We should do that bit.
Starting point is 01:33:42 I come in. That'd be funny. We absolutely should. Dude, it's so funny because I've seen one or two comments on the vlogs. They're like, I wonder if Seamus and Chris
Starting point is 01:33:49 are just joking or if they really do those things. I thought it was obvious that we were doing a bit. We're just joking. All right, let's read some more. We got Aiden says, Tim, you should have on
Starting point is 01:33:58 Maxime Bernier on the show. Leader of the People's Party of Canada. Trucks just passed my house today. Also, Carrie, you look beautiful. He said no. So Maxime, when I asked him, was doing like a really hardcore campaign. So he's too busy.
Starting point is 01:34:13 But we can try again. Well, I mean, keep in mind that doing a show like this is good for your campaign, bro. It's true. Well, look, look, look. It's just a matter of time. I don't like the...
Starting point is 01:34:24 People are busy people. If they have time for us and they want to do us a favor and come on, I appreciate it. We don't pay guests to come out. We cover their costs and everything. They don't. Yeah, we don't pay. Seamus actually – we never paid his costs. We just – we tricked him.
Starting point is 01:34:37 They wouldn't pay my costs, no. Actually, we pay Seamus the most. I saw – I think it's Dan Crenshaw is about to start a podcast, I think. Is that right? Oh, I don't know. What do you guys think about every congressperson having their own podcast? It'd probably be a good thing. I don't want to hear anything more from any of those people.
Starting point is 01:34:52 Well, you get to listen at your own leisure, I guess. True, too. I think they should, man. I want to hear more from them. And the president, too. Are you being serious? How many people? Hold on.
Starting point is 01:35:04 How many people who work in politics, how many people who are actual elected representatives have anything remotely interesting to say ever? Trey Gowdy did. 3% of them. Every now and again. I'm not saying there's... Some of them absolutely... Rand Paul does.
Starting point is 01:35:19 Yeah, every now and again. And Ron Paul. Oh, my goodness. But I'm saying it's very uncommon. It's very uncommon. But then again, if the market was just saturated with a bunch of elected leaders having podcasts,
Starting point is 01:35:30 we would see which ones rose to the top. Yeah. If Donald Trump had a podcast, it would be like six hours a day. It would be six hours. Because he just would turn the mic on and start talking and it wouldn't stop. This is who I would call fat today if I was out here.
Starting point is 01:35:46 Here's the list. It's going to take about a half hour to get through this, okay? None of these people, all of these people drink Diet Coke. For sure. All right, let's read some more. What do we got here? Anthony says, why don't the trucker protests, California, New York, and all these states that are enforcing mask mandate and vaccine mandates?
Starting point is 01:36:09 Yeah, where's the U.S. trucker protest? I suppose after they do the convoy in canada they should keep it going but they haven't specifically targeted truckers it was a you know blanket mandate right yeah in america like they haven't gone after truckers oh right right yeah isn't that the problem well the issue now is that in canada it's the border yeah that is if you want to cross the border you got to be vaccinated. And unvaccinated Americans can't even enter Canada. But unvaccinated Canadians have to quarantine after entering. So it's jammed up traffic in both directions. I don't know if that's the sole reason for the protest.
Starting point is 01:36:36 It's a big reason. All right, let's see what we got. Just a cook named Josh. Just hate him, love your show, as I've made it a daily routine every day. It is a Canadian. Thank you for making news of the Freedom Convoy 2022. As the authoritarian government censors us, we are not going to stop, like, and share. Yes.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Tell everybody about the story, man. There was also another protest. I think people confused where truckers were concerned about icy conditions. It actually happened. And some people are suggesting it was a PSYOP. Because what happens is when this trucker convoy breaks, you know, comes out, right? I heard reports that like only some trucks are blocking the borders and it's no big deal. Then you actually look at the social
Starting point is 01:37:14 media and it's like hundreds of truckers are starting this thing. Then all of a sudden there's a protest where it's like truckers engage in, you know, massive political action. And I clicked it and it was like seven trucks with signs saying, you know, fix the icy conditions. And then I was like, wait, what? Oh, they spun up another protest to defuse from the protest. So the conspiracy theory is
Starting point is 01:37:36 to trick people into thinking there's no real big 50,000 trucker protest. You stage a small one, then tell everyone, oh, that trucker protest, you stage a small one, then tell everyone, oh, that trucker protest you heard about, there it is, those seven trucks. Yep, they are upset about icy conditions. Your search optimization results.
Starting point is 01:37:52 I mean, I know icy conditions are dangerous, but I've never heard of a protest about icy conditions. That just seems insane. Like, what? What do we want? More salt. That trucker that was like, remember like a couple months ago, the trucker was coming
Starting point is 01:38:07 down the hill and hit a bunch of people? Oh, yeah. So it might have something to do with that. But I thought that was more his brakes. I think it was. Well, he was supposed to take, there was that off-ramp thing for runaway trucks. He was supposed to go through. He didn't.
Starting point is 01:38:17 And they blamed him. Like, they came down with him on 100 years in prison or something. Yeah, yeah. That was a good argument from the truckers. But was it icy? I don't think it was icy. No, but they might be like, hey, we're not driving
Starting point is 01:38:27 if you're going to blame us for accidents. The argument was that if you're holding a powerful device, be it a gun or a truck, you're responsible for what happens.
Starting point is 01:38:35 So if you crash it, that's his fault. He should have engaged in the proper safety protocols. Yes. Did you hear that's what they're trying to do in Milwaukee?
Starting point is 01:38:41 They're actually, I cannot believe, well, it's liberal so I can believe it. So these, the Milwaukee City Council, I kid you not, wants to sue the two most popular, you know, the makers of the two most popular cars in the area that are getting hijacked because there are too many carjackings now in the city of Milwaukee. And so they want to sue them for making the cars too easy to hijack.
Starting point is 01:39:02 That's like she shouldn't have warned that walking on the street. That's exactly what I said. I wrote a piece about this, and I said this is the equivalent of victim shaming and saying that the rape victim deserved it because she was wearing a skirt or a blouse. They want these car companies to make uglier cars? They want them to make them harder to hijack. Not harder to want to hijack. Not uglier.
Starting point is 01:39:24 More secure. I just want to mention one. Oh, I see. He's not uglier. More secure. I just want to mention one more thing here about this trucker shortage. As we were mentioning earlier in the podcast, 20% of truckers who cross the border, as many as 20%, are unvaccinated. We sort of stopped talking about this in general. It was a story a few months ago, but there is still a trucker shortage. Yep. So to do this right now, again, just to really hit home the absurdity of this. It's insane.
Starting point is 01:39:46 Can you believe it? It's actually ridiculous. People don't know this, but saying the word absurd is the hypnotic command to trigger Seamus becoming Jordan Peterson. It's true. Absurd. Let's read some more. What? Trash Panda says, can't think of a better birthday present for me today than seeing my fellow truckers spit in the eye of pirates.
Starting point is 01:40:04 Happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. Absolutely. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. Keep on trucking. Bill Lemon says, can we have a cage match between Seamus and Luke? Last man standing stays in the show permanently. Oh, snap. So this is the thing. Luke and I have interacted around the house
Starting point is 01:40:18 a number of times. I'm always very kind and gracious to him. He's got a chip on his shoulder. He's always yelling at me. You can see it on the vlog. People don't realize this, but Ireland and Poland to him. He's got a chip on his shoulder. He's always yelling at me. You can see it on the vlog. People don't realize this, but Ireland and Poland have beef. No, it's historical. No, I mean, in all honesty, Luke is someone who I really like, whose work I like very much. And Tim had to put me in this unfortunate position of being pitted against him.
Starting point is 01:40:40 And it's sad because, to be honest, I will say this. I will say this. I really admire the Polish, especially Poland as a country. Very good. If you're going to wrestle the Pope that helped defeat John Paul II. Yeah. Yeah. Polish. Yeah. The Pope that knew how to Pope. Would you wrestle Luke on land or in like a foot of water? I never said I never said I wouldn't wrestle him. I'd wrestle Luke anywhere. Underwater. Underwater would be the water man. I would be upset about it.
Starting point is 01:41:08 But of course I would do it. Would you do it if he identified as a female? Because then you'd be attacking a female. No, because he wouldn't actually be a female. So you'd still wrestle him. I would still wrestle him. See, even you just said him because you know. Check it out.
Starting point is 01:41:22 Damien says, Tim, I got a mobile LED billboard. As of tonight, I have both breaking news on it. First, about the truckers. Second, is about the man that got denied the heart transplant. Oh. We should buy some billboards. Yes, we should. This man has a good idea.
Starting point is 01:41:33 Which we do. Let's do a billboard contest. Shimcast. Shimcast. No, we should do a billboard. C-U-L-T. Yeah. Oh.
Starting point is 01:41:39 That's good. Here? Don't move here if you're a... No, we'll just do it. And we'll put it... You know, it's going to be really funny. We just we'll just do it and we'll we'll we'll put it you know it's gonna be really funny we think we're being all smart and edgy like haha cult and then it becomes like an actual popular thing like how monopoly did yeah like you know monopoly was originally made to make fun of capitalism yeah we could get one of those really i did not know that
Starting point is 01:41:57 no like let's buy a real billboard i'm saying like actually get sunset boulevard the problem is they're not worth it anymore we noticed this with mines when we were doing market research is like Super Bowl ads, billboards, they were so expensive and the return was so low relative to like Facebook ads. So if you really want to hit a target audience, you go to the internet. What's my Facebook ads? Because then there's click-throughs. That's a great idea. What's something we can do with Facebook ads that would just be –
Starting point is 01:42:21 We have a marketing guy who's great. Well, I don't mean marketing. I don't care if people learn who we are necessarily. I'm saying just to spit in the eye of tyrants. I'm good at making cartoons. Cartoons upset tyrants sometimes. Did you ever hear the story about that guy who used Facebook's targeted advertising to freak out his roommate?
Starting point is 01:42:38 No. Because Facebook used to allow you to directly target people based on email addresses. So what he did was he advertised to only one email address which was his roommate and he would make ads that said things like did you forget to do the dishes your roommate could be angry and then his roommate would be like what is going on that's actually amazing oh i love that i don't think they allow that anymore oh it's too bad that's a Oh, it's too bad. That's a shame. Now it's just like... Torture. Psychological torture.
Starting point is 01:43:06 Yeah. Maybe they do. Maybe they still allow it. I don't know. It was a funny story. That is funny. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:12 Nevermore says, drink. Tim said, occupy. Do I say occupy very often? I don't know. Maybe. I mean, it occupies some of your time. It occupies. You said occupy Wall Street.
Starting point is 01:43:20 You didn't say Wall Street. You said occupy. You were talking about the protesters. I know. I said it one time. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's funny when people. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's funny when people are like, if Tim says a certain phrase, drink.
Starting point is 01:43:27 And I'm like, it's funny because there'll be like a week where I'll say something like at the end of the day a lot. It's true. And then everyone for like a year will be like, Tim says at the end of the day a lot. And I'm like, that's like one week where it was in my mind that I don't say that anymore. You said something. You said to be honest several times. I did.
Starting point is 01:43:42 Yeah, that's one of my pillars. And I'm like, why'd you point it out? They're going to know now. Okay. Drink. Drink. Drink. that was a little too honest drink drink no the reason why is because i i have a friend who would say whenever somebody says that you're like okay was everything else why so you're exactly you're now caveating what you're saying does that mean everything else is why are you doing this to me why are you doing this now we're gonna know i'm a truth teller. Tell the truth, Seamus.
Starting point is 01:44:05 To be honest. All right. We got this from Nick. He says, my parents are what I call Fox News Republicans. I've been trying to get them to listen to you, Tim. I showed them a five-minute clip, and they said they agreed with what you said. Keep up the great work. Cool.
Starting point is 01:44:18 So we were talking about this the other day. Every so often, the segment I do at 4 p.m tucker carlson will then do at on his nightly show i don't do the entirety of his show because he does you know an hour whatever but like my you know 10 minute you know segment or whatever which stretches out for a variety of reasons he would talk about that in his and i think that has a lot to do with um like the the i guess the the cultural zeitgeist that in this political space, a conversation emerges that everyone sees and starts talking about. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:44:50 Yeah, well, I mean, I told you not to do that segment about the M&Ms, but you still did it, and then we had Tucker Carlson. That was a weird expression on your face when you said that. You were like, yeah. It was great. I was like, I'm going to make fun of Tucker Carlson. Seamus made fun of Tucker Carlson, and Luke got really mad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:06 Oh, my gosh. That's so right, because here's the thing. People know, generally speaking, I'm a fan of Tucker Carlson, to be honest. I enjoy his work, honestly. But I wasn't going to not make fun of him for the Eminem segment, so I just kept doing this impression of him, and everyone was cracking up except for Luke. Luke was like, you know what? He made a mistake.
Starting point is 01:45:26 Let him be. But I think he was mostly joking too. No, he was mostly joking. It was a dumb segment. Did you guys see the Eminem segment? It was a great segment. Why aren't Eminems attractive to me anymore? He's complaining because
Starting point is 01:45:41 the green Eminem was in high stilettos. And then there were boots. They were like go-go boots. Like thigh-high sexy boots. Like boots that I would want to wear. What is wrong with being sexy? Like what is wrong with being feminine?
Starting point is 01:45:55 What is wrong with that? I don't get it. Well, for sure, but I just – They want us to be androgynous. We're talking about an M&M. I think it's very weird, yeah, for M&M especially. You ever see that meme where it's like... It's very weird. It's like, never forget what they took from you.
Starting point is 01:46:07 And it's Lola Bunny from the 90s and Lola Bunny from the new one. Oh, yeah. That's true. They took her boobs away. I'm like, yo, I'm not... I've never been concerned. But maybe there are furries or some people who are like... There are furries they came from.
Starting point is 01:46:18 You know, they... That's actually a meme, too. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I just never really thought about it. I never thought about her having those boots until someone said something about it. But now I'm angry that they took them away. I think the bit you should do, Seamus, is that
Starting point is 01:46:31 you should go the other direction with it and make the candy ten times as sexy. Absolutely not. No. That's disgusting. Well, no, but I always thought it was weird. Yeah, why are they... I always thought it was weird. I always thought it was very. I just, I always,
Starting point is 01:46:45 I thought it was very weird that when it came to the mascots, Eminem decided one of the Eminems needed to have like some version of sex appeal. That was always a strange thing. It's like, they're Eminems. Well, we just have this absurdly, and like, I'm not sure, I guess the best thing
Starting point is 01:47:00 you'd say in terms of giving them the benefit of the doubt is that they're sort of parodying like a stereotype with this Eminem of like this is what – It's very much like having the beautiful woman smoking the cigarette in the commercial and it's like trying to target people, make them feel more attractive when they smoke. Let's read some more super chats. We got a good one here from Nova Zero. He says, those of us Aussies who know you use a VPN. I turn it off for the super chat so you know where I am.
Starting point is 01:47:25 But likewise, you don't know us. Avi isn't the only one fighting here. Aussie, Cossack, and friendly Geordies. We exist, you know. Yes, absolutely. I'm familiar with Avi principally. I know there's a lot of other people there. I have some friends in a couple different cities. I talk to them about what's going on. There's obviously people organizing protests and pushing back. I did not mean to suggest that literally no Australian person is protesting. I'm just saying that, you know, when Ian pointed out Quillette under duress, I can immediately point to Avi, who I'm familiar with for a variety of reasons. Right. And you guys as well. So, you know, good luck and fight the good fight. And I hope Australia
Starting point is 01:48:02 learns its lesson and backs off the insanity. Alright. Adrian Curry says Marxism is like the Hallmark Channel. It's a lie women get addicted to because it makes them feel good. Interesting. I kind of like that. And it makes you think men are evil. The Hallmark Channel. No! It makes you think men are evil.
Starting point is 01:48:21 No, it says cult men are evil. Urban men are evil. You gotta move to the. So many Hallmark movies. No, it says cult men are evil. Yes, exactly. Urban men are evil. That's awesome. You got to move to the country and find a good family oriented man. You know what? You know what? You turned me around on this. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:32 All right. Z says, you know I'm an atheist, but after hearing that Mormon comment, I think I'm going to be a Mormon, LOL. Which one was that, though? Was that the cult or something? I think it was that there's more women. Oh, the polygamy. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:48:42 Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. I think they've done away with that. Have they? No. Well, actually. No. Exactly. On paper. They do believe in the afterlife. So
Starting point is 01:48:51 the mainstream church, as I like to say, the Mitt Romney church, the big one, they do believe in polygamy in the afterlife. They believe the structure of heaven is polygamous. Aren't they teetoters? Oh, yeah. No coffee, no tea. So they're monogamous in life. No booze.
Starting point is 01:49:06 Yeah, so I think it was like Family Guy or some show where they were like, wait, when you're a Mormon, you can have multiple wives. Like, yes. And they're like, sign me up. And then they were like, wait, no beer. Oh, and they ran away. But in the afterlife, you don't need booze, right? I mean, everyone's happy.
Starting point is 01:49:19 Are they monogamous in life? And then when they die, they think they have a bunch of wives? Well, actually, on Earth, you can technically be sealed to multiple women, usually in matters of death or divorce. So for an example, my Aunt Charlotte was gorgeous. She was Miss USA. She was Miss Utah USA. She was stunning. I don't want to say too I I will hold my tongue about her ex-husband but basically she put on some weight and then he divorced her and married a younger uh you know skinnier woman they had had
Starting point is 01:49:52 eight children together and uh because they believe you need to be married in order to go to the highest level of heaven she she passed away god rest her soul um she never found another husband to marry so technically according to doctrine, because he was still sealed to her, he will get both wives in the afterlife. Oh, wow. That's kind of weird. That really angered me. It really upset me.
Starting point is 01:50:16 Understandably. Everything about that is terrible. It's part of why I left Mormonism. I'm like, this is literally the definition of hell to me. Like, how is this heaven? This was designed out of the brain of a human male. Yeah, this sounds like true. Let's read some more here.
Starting point is 01:50:29 We got Yellow Cafe says, The largest cult in the world is led by Jared Leto. He is tattooing his followers' bodies. He and his followers say the phrase, Yes, this is a cult, to downplay that it's a cult. He has many allegations against him for having adult activities with underage individuals. Please look into this. Those are bold accusations.
Starting point is 01:50:48 I'm not familiar with that. Somebody sent us a thing about this. Really? Yeah, a big thing. It was interesting. But Jared Leto plays the Morbius guy. Yeah, he sings that song. Those songs.
Starting point is 01:50:57 Oh, right. He sings the song. All right, let's see. 30 seconds to Mars. Zeknik says, Seamus, are you courting Michaela Peterson after your interview with her and her father? A lot of flirt vibes
Starting point is 01:51:08 in that interview. No, it was, I didn't think I was flirting at all. You were. Hold on. We're having a friendly conversation. We were in Georgia, dude. Hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 01:51:15 We're having a friendly conversation. And I don't know who knows. That's too much. Seamus, women marry their fathers. And when you go to Michaela, doing that voice, we know what you're trying to do. It's a great video. Seamus did a
Starting point is 01:51:27 video on Michaela. I think it's on Michaela's channel. And Jordan made a special appearance and Seamus did the voice to his face. Check it out. It was good. Wait, you did Jordan Peterson's voice to Jordan? Oh yeah, to his face. It was great. It was a good experience. I didn't think I was
Starting point is 01:51:43 going to have to, but then I was. Can I have your autograph? So, yeah, to his face. It was great. It was great. It was a good experience. I didn't think I was going to have to, but then I was. Can I have your autograph? Absolutely. So she invited me to do her podcast, which was great. And so I was on, and I did not expect him to be there, and she surprised me with him. She surprised me with Jordan Peterson being there, and it blew my mind.
Starting point is 01:52:04 It really did. Okay, she likes you. She likes. It really did. She likes you. She likes you. Are you kidding me? Is she married? Oh, she is? Okay, never mind then. Divorced.
Starting point is 01:52:16 He broke up the marriage? Stop it. Never. The best part of the interview was when Jordan got confused about who he was. He's like, wait, who am I? Who's talking to me right now? Stay who he was. He's like, wait, who am I? Who's looking in a mirror right now? Stay away from me. He punched his computer screen. All right.
Starting point is 01:52:31 Wade Mikunda says, Tim is Fauci arguing with Seamus as Jordan Peterson. Go. Well, here's the thing. It's like if you – here's the deal. Put on your mask, Jordan. No. I got vaccinated. You're getting the droplets.
Starting point is 01:52:42 You leave me alone. I got vaccinated. Leave me alone. I got vaccinated. Oh, man. Maybe that should be... This should be ongoing. I'm not as good as Seamus at doing the voices. When we do this normally, I have to try and get into character. Anthony Fauci, Jordan Peterson
Starting point is 01:52:58 in a paleontology museum trying to get out. Five minutes until closing time. Did you used to do improv no so when i do the voices usually situation the only way it really works especially the long ones is that seamus tells me how to say these things for real though so like seamus gave me a script once and i can read it as fauci but to get the actual thing right i need some i need him you know otherwise i'd be what's my motivation. No.
Starting point is 01:53:25 No. It's just like. You can say things like. Get out of my store. Get out of my store. Get out of my store. You know what I mean. Get out of my store.
Starting point is 01:53:32 Like a line reading. A vocal coach. So line readings help you. No. It's just. I'm a good director. So. So.
Starting point is 01:53:38 Because. Look at what we're feeling. Depending on how the other. Sentences are going to be said. It could be a question. It could be a response. It could be angry. It could be sad. I can't see those things on paper. So in order to be said, it could be a question. It could be a response. It could be angry. It could be sad.
Starting point is 01:53:45 I can't see those things on paper. So in order to actually have like an argument, do it. So are you the equivalent of colorblind but with words? Well, no. I mean Seamus is good at the improv and just doing these voices. I can do a voice but without something to play off of. You know what I mean? So like – so typically when people are like, hey, can you do this person's voice?
Starting point is 01:54:03 I'm like, I have to actually hear them say it and i can impersonate it seamus for some reason can just literally make up a sentence that sounds like jordan peterson from you know right away there's something strange about my brain but i know that when tim and i were recorded like tim he'll give me a read i'll go tim you're angry people aren't taking their vaccines they won't wear their masks you study this your whole life you're getting your droplets all over me. And then I go, you nailed it. You got it. I felt the emotion in that.
Starting point is 01:54:28 That was a fun one. The one where the guy's breaking up with Fauci. Yeah. And then Fauci cries. I put that for my donors on Patreon, like the entire 20-minute recording session. People were dying when they watched it. It's so hilarious, dude. Table reads for voice acting is just always, always
Starting point is 01:54:45 hilarious. So much fun. Yeah, Seamus and I did a really disgusting improv. We did some very funny ones. There was one disgusting one. I don't even want to get into detail. I'll just explain it. I can't see the light. No, don't even explain it. We'll never see the light of day. I can't. It's so bad. It's basically Fauci is
Starting point is 01:55:01 in Los Angeles. Don't do this. Don't even explain this. Come on. What do you mean? It's a common joke. It's a meme. So it's Fauci is in Los Angeles. Don't do this. Don't even explain this. What do you mean? It's a common joke. It's a meme. So it's Fauci's in LA and someone's trying to get work and he's like, if you want to work in this town and he's basically, you know, Harvey. That's true. You gotta get your vaccination.
Starting point is 01:55:17 That's right. That's a tame description of being proud. Seamus was like, this is not acceptable. YouTube would ban us instantly yeah yup I thought you were
Starting point is 01:55:30 a good Catholic I was I know that's why I was like Tim I can't make this no the whole time I was like literally the whole time
Starting point is 01:55:35 I was like Tim we're not doing like we are not doing that I was like Seamus where's the edgy humor did you go to the confession after that no well I didn't think
Starting point is 01:55:41 I did anything wrong you talked to your priest I do talk to my priest but I didn't think I did anything wrong in that instance I kept telling Tim not to. Do you do confession a lot? Do you do like every
Starting point is 01:55:48 week or something? I try to. So when I'm at my home base and I'm, you know, on a decent schedule, I try to go at least once a week. Is that normal for a Catholic to go every week? That's a good question. Do you go before you take communion to reset button? Yeah, so you need to be in a state of grace before you have the Eucharist.
Starting point is 01:56:04 And so if I'm not in a state of grace, I'll have to go to confession first. But it's not necessarily required that you go to confession before every time you have the Eucharist. State of grace, like meditate, like into a calm state kind of? That's a good question. So basically in Scripture, there's a delineation between the kind of sin that leads unto death specifically that are listed like drunkards, idolaters, et cetera, will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. And so we refer to those and things out of that category, basically any grave violation of the 10 commandments as a mortal sin, because that destroys your relationship with God. And then you need to be restored to a relationship with God. Cause as it's mentioned in scripture, Christ gave his, the apostles, the ability to forgive and retain sin. And so we believe that
Starting point is 01:56:43 that was passed on through apostolic succession to modern-day priests. But where in the Bible did Jesus ask any confession when he gave them the bread and wine at the Last Supper? Because I don't recall him doing that, and I'm pretty sure that Judas was not in a state of grace. Yeah, no, so that's an interesting question. It's been argued by some. Sorry, Tim's saying we've got to...
Starting point is 01:57:01 This is a whole big argument, but the point I want to make is that... We'll argue later. Protestants rule. But I can't let that stand. I'll also say that we should do this in the after show about this. That means you've got to join.
Starting point is 01:57:17 Y'all have to subscribe. I just want to mention this. In scripture, Paul does say you eat and drink condemnation upon yourself if you receive unworthily. Corto Maltese says, I've been following you for years now, but if this is just going to turn into Jesus cast, count me out. Count me for the news not to hear about Christianity. Well, define Christianity. There's organized religion.
Starting point is 01:57:38 Then there's living like Christ. And you can do that without hearing the religion. Exactly. I absolutely love talking about religion. We've done several members-only podcasts where we went really long talking about a bunch of stuff. But I will say, if it goes too much into it, we'll try and steer it back into the news. I don't want to – It's not about Jainism.
Starting point is 01:57:58 I think it's basically just because we have two religious individuals on the show today. Yeah. It comes up. And also, when you're religious, your religion is baked into your worldview so it's going to come up i mean you're just going to end up analyzing things through that lens it's not as if i sit here and go i want to force the conversation in this direction it's just the way my brain works is when this topic goes up i related to my worldview and well prism through which i have and also the united states was founded primarily by judeo-christians so this is a podcast about america
Starting point is 01:58:24 for americans i think that there are a lot of people who are like our viewer here who are States was founded primarily by Judeo-Christians, so this is a podcast about America for Americans. I think that there are a lot of people who are like our viewer here, who are secular, but there are a lot of Christians, and I think the beauty of a cosmopolitan society is that you can have all voices. We don't talk about religion all that often, to be honest. I've got to read Super Chats.
Starting point is 01:58:40 We've got to read some more Super Chats. It's very important. Anorak says, as a furry, I can confirm the fandom was devastated by the Lola Bunny change. Made me avoid social media for a month to stay away from the drama. Wow. That's actually kind of crazy. I got a message
Starting point is 01:58:55 from someone who was like, you know what? I identify as a furry. I want to thank you guys for kind of like, just talking about the whole furry thing as kind of like a role play and not some weird, bizarre, getting your six-year-old a sex change operation or something. So shout out to all you furries out there. And role playing is cool. You can do it constructively.
Starting point is 01:59:17 Yeah, furries have really bad rap. You know what I mean? But we've had some people who have chimed in and talked about being a furry and, you know, have given us consistent super chats. Pretty sure people are just people in the middle.
Starting point is 01:59:30 Yeah, I was an actor for years. I mean, people do it for a living. All right, what is this? Kevin Grip says, Crenshaw, big disappointment. Bait and switch. Yeah, what do you guys think about Crenshaw?
Starting point is 01:59:40 When I first saw him, I loved him because of his willingness to listen. I think the thing I love about him is he's a good listener. Although I was thinking about this the other night, very open-minded. The problem with being open-minded is that you're more susceptible to being co-opted. So if he's there in the swamp and he's got people swirling around his mind, I'm afraid that he may be being pulled in directions.
Starting point is 02:00:00 We are going to have Dan Crenshaw on the show at some point soon. I'm excited to have that conversation. He's had a lot of really bad internet press, like viral videos and stuff, I mean by that. I think it's going to be interesting to break down these questions and these stories and ask him about his worldview and what he hopes to accomplish.
Starting point is 02:00:19 There was a lot of hope for him. Early on people were really excited for Dan. Now it seems like a lot of the stuff coming out is very anti you know he said that he thought congress people should get paid more and i was like okay he's famous the famous congress people get flown around they get they go to events they could take around they need to pay for that 175k is not enough in a year to fly to dallas and fort worth and always so then i'm like so should we pay our famous congress people more money no that's a bad precedent because then they're going to be tweeting up storms to get more famous, to get more money. But I understand that you need more money when you're higher profile to get around.
Starting point is 02:00:54 We do plan on having him on very soon. We don't really announce dates or anything just because in the event someone cancels, we don't want to get anyone's hopes up. But Luke will be coming back for this, and we're going to have a very serious political discussion, foreign policy, domestic policy. So I think it'll be good, and I think if people, whatever they think about him, they're going to hear a lot more from him, and they can use that to either solidify or counter their opinions on him. But we'll see. We'll see how it happens, how it goes down. So if you haven't already, smash the Like button. Subscribe to this channel.
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Starting point is 02:01:42 Yeah, nice to meet everybody. I'll see you in the after party show. And if you want to check out what we're doing at IWF.org, we are the counter to the feminist lies. And we have a community called the Independent Women's Network where we bring women and we love men. We are a women's group that loves men. Imagine that.
Starting point is 02:02:01 So, Independent Women's Network, we'd love to have you be part of our community. We have live chats. We have message boards. We have letters to send to your school board about masking policies, things like that. We will see you there.
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Starting point is 02:02:31 If you guys want to check that out, head on over there, subscribe. We just released a cartoon today about this insane policy of putting masks on children, which a lot of schools have. So check that out, like, share, subscribe, spread it around. I think it's important for people on our side of the aisle to kind of try to build culture is the way Tim puts it, but just create content that isn't just a discussion of politics, but which is an actual sort of lampooning of it. And yeah, check me out there. Shout out to all you Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Jainists. Simulists. Simulists.
Starting point is 02:03:05 Simulists. Zoroastrists. Also nuns. N-O-N-E-S. All you nuns out there. All you nuns. Atheists. Love you.
Starting point is 02:03:12 Agnostics. Shout out to all the agnostics up in this. We love everybody. And the flat earthers. Yeah. And the hollow earthers. If you believe in flat earthers, shout out. And the flat simulation are people who believe in a simulation and the earth is flat and
Starting point is 02:03:23 it's hollow. Hollow simulation. Hollow simulation. Hey, follow me at IanCrossland.net. I'll catch you later. Thank you guys very much for tuning in. I suspect tonight's after show will be fun, so you guys should go join up at TimCast.com. Thank you all so much for tuning in. You guys may follow me
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