Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #477 - Putin Puts Nuclear Forces On High Alert, White House Responds w/Lauren Southern

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

Tim, Ian, Seamus of FreedomToons, and Lydia join commentator and documentarian Lauren Southern to discuss Putin's threats of nuclear war, the Ukrainian MP who is alarming some people by saying she's fighting for a 'new world order,' the media outlet telling people how to profit off World War 3, and whether Wikipedia can be sued. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russia has placed their nuclear forces on high alert over the weekend, and there's a real concern that Vladimir Putin would launch nuclear weapons. Now, they're calling it nuclear deterrence, which is to imply that they will only fire in response. But you look at what's going on right now with the Russian economy. The ruble dropped around 30 or so percent. They kept their stock exchange closed. So a lot of people think that Russia is in serious trouble here. But I don't believe that Vladimir Putin would start a war unless he intended to see it through. And he likely calculated these responses. He had to predict they'd go after the banks. There would be sanctions. They've already

sanctioned him in the past. So we'll see where all this goes. They have put their nuclear weapons on high alert. We're now hearing that Brazil has announced, or I should say Bolsonaro at least, of Brazil announced neutrality. Switzerland has broken neutrality, which is kind of crazy, to sanction Russia. China is obviously on the side of Russia. And we're starting to see more and more people take sides. Belarus is expected to join the war on the side of Russia. And it just seems like things may spiral out of control, but maybe not. Maybe the sanctions will actually work. So we'll talk about this. There's a real fear. We got an article from Barron's. It's actually kind of funny. They say that the removing banks from the swift international payment system could result in cyber attacks.

And these are the 10 stocks we think that will go up because of it. Gotta love capitalism. So we'll get into all that. We do have some cyber attacks. We do have some news around basically everything that will all of this stuff, as well as a funny story of Jill Biden accidentally calling Kamala Harris the president, although I don't know if it's an accident at this point. And we'll get into all that. Joining us today to talk about this is Lauren Southern. Pleasure to be here.

Thanks for having me. Do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah, I'm Lauren Southern. I am a documentary filmmaker, completely canceled all over the world, like a lot of people here, I'm sure. So... No, we're good. Just you.

No, you're just me. All right, great. Fine. Yeah. Came here from Canada all the way. How's that going? Canada? Oh, I'm glad to escape briefly from our dictatorship.

So that's been good. They're not going to let you back in when they see this now. True. They're going to be like, hey, that's her. She calls it a dictatorship? It's a photo op. I was told to be on good behavior while I was here. But you've done a lot of reporting before.

You did reporting at the Rebel, right? Yeah, I was at Rebel Media. And then I did a bunch of independent on-the-ground stuff. We certainly crossed paths a few times at protests in Europe. Then I took a bit of a break from media, and I'm back working on a few movies. I had Borderless, Farmlands, Crossfire, and my new one is American Mirage. Interesting. What is that one about? It's about the caravans and illegal migration into the U.S.

We definitely need to talk about that because I don't know if you heard that the U.S. government issued a memo requesting Customs and Border Protection leave the southern border to go to Poland to process refugees from Ukraine. And it's like a job anyone can do and there's no reason to take our border guards off to do it. Especially when there's not enough there. They've given up on trying to protect the border because they've got so many people just working on processing people. Or is that the policy of the Biden administration to have no border? Yeah, it's half and half. I mean, when you want to get into the documentary, you will.

All right. We also have Seamus. You missed me. Don't even sigh like that. We missed you, Seamus. They were calling, begging for me to come back. It's true. It's true. We were. And I

am glad to be here. I thought, you know what? I'll do them a favor. I'll head back over to the Cast Castle. And I also couldn't be separated from you lovely folks at home. I missed you all so much. Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes. I release animated cartoons on my YouTube channel every single week, sometimes twice a week. We got a funny one

coming out this Thursday, so I hope you all will check it out and subscribe. and I am looking forward to this conversation. Glad to see you, Seamus. When you see Lauren Southern on the camera, behind her is this very beautiful wooden Timcast sign. Behind any guest, honestly. It's okay. And Seamus has this

two-by-four plank. Timcast. You're blocking the S. There was a typo on that one. It says the s there was a there was a typo on that one it says tim cast in the name it's it's shim cast it's actually we were sent that in the mail by a fan who cares about things being done properly i guess i think it's funny that you know world war three is breaking out and we're we're doing silly jokes about shim cast and shamus i mean we can't stop joking right it's true's true. Humor is part of being human. That's kind of the center point, or one of. Maybe eating

is another one of them. Hey, I'm glad you're here, Lauren. I'm happy to be here, too. You were focusing on immigration way before I realized the danger, and then I started studying Roman history, the history of the fall of the Roman Empire and stuff, and how basically unfettered immigration is the reason that that fell.

Any country that just lets other cultures come in and then set up shop and create the government is now that government. Yeah, I've never understood the reaction to my conversations about immigration. People always just lose their minds. This is racism. Immigrant is code word for like anyone

that's not white to you. And that's why you don't want mass immigration. And I'm like, anywhere except the West, I am a liberal. I'm like far left. If you go to anywhere in Asia, anywhere in Africa, want mass immigration and i'm like anywhere except the west i am a liberal i'm like far left if you go to anywhere in asia anywhere in africa even if you go just down to mexico they're like nope no foreigners in close these borders we want to protect our own first and i'm like all right we

just need to you know slow it down a bit and that's racist here i'm a i'm a liberal by non-western standards but you're far right if you're living in America and say these things. We got a lady pressing the buttons. I am pushing buttons in the corner. I have a lovely lady

here with me tonight. I'm very excited. I always love that feminine energy. It's going to be a great chat. I'm excited. Before we get started, my friends,

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through Thursday at 11 p.m. So we'll have'll have an exclusive episode with Lauren up later tonight. You won't want to miss it. And you keep our journalists employed. But don't forget also to smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. And I just want to point out as well, I made that comment about, you know, like World War III is coming. I don't know if World War III is really coming. We have a serious conflict in Europe. I just think it's funny that we're at this point in time where you have a group of people

of varying political backgrounds are here to do a podcast and have a very serious discussion. And it's like, yes, yes, the situation in Ukraine is growing very dire. So smash that like button. Subscribe. So that culture around YouTube

where it's like this exaggerated youthful exuberance is now being, you know, it's a part of war with Russia. No, it's like this exaggerated youthful exuberance is now being, you know, it's a part of war with Russia. No, it's true. You look at news reports from the 1940s and they're like, we need to help our boys who are overseas. And then when people look back on our conflicts, they're like,

hit the like button, subscribe, come check our channel out. Vladimir Putin just shelled a mall killing civilians. Smash that like button. Did you guys see the Applebee's commercial? Yeah. That was like wild. Wait, what was this Applebee's commercial?

Oh, you've got to see it. So there's air raid sirens going off in Ukraine. And then all of a sudden it just breaks to like this cowboy guy doing a butt shuffle dance. And it's like, cold beer on a Friday night. And it's like, get your wings. Wait, this is an actual Applebee's commercial. It was on like a, which channel was it on? CNN? CNN was showing a live shot of the air raid. Oh, and then this is an actual Applebee's commercial. It was on like a, which channel was it on? CNN? CNN was showing a live

shot of the air raid. And then it shows a little window with the air raid sirens in the corner. It's like live Ukraine air raid sirens and the big Applebee's. I guess Applebee's got pissed and they announced they're like pulling ads or whatever. Anyway, let's get serious. I mean, I'm surprised anyone saw that. It was on CNN.

Well, that's true, but it went viral on Twitter where everyone mocked them. Well, let's get serious. I mean, I'm surprised anyone saw that. It was on CNN. Well, that's true, but it went viral on Twitter where everyone mocked them. Well, let's talk about this first story, and we have this from CNN of all outlets. I like using CNN when it's something like this. White House responds to Russia's decision to put deterrence forces on high alert. They say, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to put Russia's deterrence forces, which include nuclear arms and high alert, are part of a wider pattern of unprovoked escalation and manufactured threats from the Kremlin. This is really a this is really a pattern that we've seen from President Putin through the course of this conflict, which is manufacturing threats that don't exist in order to justify further aggression. And the global community and the American people should look at it through that prism, Psaki told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on this week.

Well, the news there is that in response to the sanctions, the escalation, and I guess what Putin says is aggressive language towards Russia. They've put all of their forces on high alert, which includes nuclear weapons. And then you had this guy on Russian TV who said, what's the point, something like, what's the purpose of the world without Russia in it?

And then said, we've got 500 nuclear submarines. We can launch these warheads and, you know, we could basically wipe out NATO in the U.S. I guess the question is, saber rattling, hyperbole, or should we all go hide in the basement? There's absolutely going to be nukes dropped. You think so? Hassan Piker just said there wouldn't.

Oh, there you go. My man's reversed Nostradamus. We're screwed. We're done for, guys. I want to launch them on Mars. I think if you nuke the poles on Mars, doesn't that start an atmosphere or something? You think Russia's going to do that?

You know what's funny about it? Maybe they could work together, yeah. What's funny about that statement? We'll take the North Pole. They can take the South Pole. That has like 1% Of relevance to the conversation I know I'm just trying to make it better You are talking about nukes

Wrong planet Why would anyone do it It seems like if you launched a nuke That would be the end of everything No I disagree The surface You don't think the surface would just get fried after that US did it

That was before anyone else had it That was before ICBM So look the fear is mutually assured destruction Not real I don't believe in it The U.S. did it. They got away with it. Drop a few cheeky nukes. That was before anyone else had one. That was before ICBM. So look, the fear is mutually assured destruction, right? Not real. I don't believe in it. I don't think it's a real thing. So you guys ever see that movie with, what was it, Matthew Broderick?

No, War Games. War Games, yeah, Matthew Broderick. Oh, yeah, Matthew Broderick. And all the missiles are flying in the air or whatever. And then there was G.I. Joe. You guys ever see the G.I. Joe? No. Demi Moore?

The guy who looks like the Pope plays the villain? What? No, I didn't see that. The guy from Game of Thrones who was the priest guy plays the villain. And then he's like, the U.S. fires their nukes. And then so then every other country is like, what are you doing? And they all fire the nukes and they see all the nukes in the air. And then the Cobra guy masquerading as a president blows up the U.S. nukes so that everyone

else does. Mutual user destruction makes no sense to me, right? Let me ask you a question. Lauren, let me ask you a question. So a military officer comes to you and he says, Mr. Southern, 17 nuclear warheads are headed towards the eastern seaboard. There is nothing we can do to stop

them. But you can choose to kill 10 million civilians yourself. Would you do it? Would you be like, I guess i'll blow up a bunch of civilians you know if i was a little more bitchy and spiteful maybe but you know maybe no no not well it depends on how the patreon lawsuits well but think about it it would be like which cities are we talking about do i get to like and choose let's just say you know like we can russia's fired a bunch of nukes at the eastern seaboard of the United States.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vancouver and Toronto included, I guess, because, you know, Canada. You can't stop it. But you can kill Russian civilians. Would you do it? I don't think people would do it. I don't know. Here's the thing.

I don't know if she would, but someone would. Yes, that's a good point. And I think that threat exists in the mind of anyone who's considering launching nukes in the first place. But did you guys ever hear that story about the Russian submarine dude? They got a false alarm that a nuke was fired and he refused to fire. I think that's more indicative of what a person would do. Well, there's been studies done on this too with like just the amount of people in war that go out, whether it be Afghanistan or World War II, and they'll talk about how much they freeze.

It's like the first time. It's almost like I'm making this up on the spot. Fake stats. But it's something I read said like 50% of the time they'll freeze and not be able to shoot someone the first time it happens to them. We talked about this with someone with Vietnam. They were saying that the soldiers who were drafted would aim up and try not to hit people. Actually, most soldiers.

There was a study done called Men Under Fire, and they basically found that something like 2% of soldiers did 98% of the killing. Whoa. Yeah. And so the entire idea was our government wanted to figure out how you could get everyday average troops to be willing to fight, because most people in a combat situation, if someone is up on top of them or they have to kill them in a direct self-defense scenario, will do so.

So in warfare, if the enemy are jumping into your trenches your trenches yes you'll shoot them more often than not but if they're all the way across the battlefield and you're trying to snipe and pick them off most soldiers won't pull the trigger and our government kind of tried to figure out ways to encourage troops to do so didn't video games help i'm not sure there's a game called america's army that was basically grooming people to become soldiers. Not that – so there's a misconception that – The government made the game. It makes you more violent.

But when you're desensitized to entering combat – I was reading something where they said playing video games helped people overcome their resistance towards killing someone. I think probably with drones and stuff, it's a lot easier. The further and further like degrees apart, it's almost like the trolley question. Okay, would you pull the thing to kill one person or two people? All right, would you push someone

in front of the train to stop the trolley? The closer you get to being the exact thing that kills the person, that's when all those mental blocks start. But when they're just green light on a screen, much easier to click a button. My favorite trolley meme is the one where it's one track and it's just riddled with people. And it says you can stop the trolley at any time, but it would hurt corporate profits.

That one's good. By the way, it was also Men Against Fire was the name of it. Men Against Fire. Yeah. So, yes. And I want to double check. The numbers I threw out, I may have misremembered them, so go and look that up for yourself. I got the name of this one.

A shockingly low number of people are willing to actually engage in the combat. The Russian submarine soldier, his name was Vasily Arkhipov, and it's during the height of the Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis. And he got, I think there was a miscalculation. They thought the nukes had been fired. He got an order to fire, and he didn't do it. Basically prevented World War III, this one guy. Yeah, and he's like a hero, right hero right yeah they're like this guy i don't i don't i don't think most people would do it but would vladimir putin is a question and i think vladimir putin would

fire nukes if he was fired on yeah no no i think he would i think he would voluntarily yeah i think vladimir putin would would launch nukes really well look at they're not really sending they're like people are giving the ukrainians, but no one's sending troops in. They're kind of just like, oh, we don't really want to get involved. We don't want to get in trouble. So he's, I don't know if the man might get away with it. I saw a cartoon meme of the Ukraine guy and the American guy was like, you have my gun. And the other guy was like, you have my, the Scandinavian guy was like, you have my axe.

And then the British guy was like, you have my bow. And then it shows the Ukrainian guy and he's just got an axe, a bow and a sword. Yeah. Lord of the Rings meme. Also, I just want to pull something up real quick so I can add some clarity to what I was saying earlier. The best figures I have right now say that according to the study, it was fewer than 15 to 20 percent of soldiers fired their weapon in the first place. And then an even lower number actually killed people. So, but yeah, no, but I also want to say with my number about 2% actually doing 98% of the

killing. I'm actually, I'm not seeing that here. So I imagine most soldiers aren't in combat. I believe most soldiers are doing like logistics or back behind the scenes. Are you talking about just combat soldiers? I believe, well, I mean, I believe that the study is referring to combat soldiers because that's the reason they would, I mean, that's the entire reason they were doing the research. Right.

Wow. Smackdown. Now Seamus is giving me a nice hardcore smackdown. No, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. You could actually – I could be completely wrong. I'm saying this is what I'm imagining. You were right.

So the question is why is Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine? And if you can answer that, you can answer whether or not he's willing to use nukes more accurately. So there's the you know there's the conspiracy theories they uh maybe not even conspiracy theory is the right word but there is the theory that vladimir putin opposes the davos group world economic forum what liberal economic order and all that stuff and it's not an issue of nato which is proven by the fact that estonia and latvia are on the border with russia as well and their nato nations the issue is that ukraine is you know joining the liberal economic order or whatever and putin's actually directly criticized this i don't actually

think that's the principal reason though if that was the reason then you could argue well he's got to stop the globalists so of course he'll use nukes right there are people posting this there was a crazy a ukrainian mp went on fox news and said they're fighting for the new world order and so yeah and so this is a lot of people saying like that proves it i got a really simple solution There was a Ukrainian MP went on Fox News and said they're fighting for the new world order. I saw that, yeah. And so this is a lot of people saying, like, that proves it. I got a really simple solution for all of you guys. The U.S. and NATO have been screwing with Russian oil profits.

It's kind of that simple, right? Yeah. I'm not sure that Russia care about profits as much as we think they do. I think they've got, especially in the east, they have different values than we do in the West. In a sense, they've got those blood and soil values more than we do. They've got the spiritual values. They genuinely believe like the Ukrainians are spiritually connected to Russia. I interviewed a guy named Michael Millerman, really interesting case. He's got a PhD on Alexander Dugin, who they've called Putin's brain. Is it a PhD on Dugin? It's in like eurasianism or

around that topic but he studied and translated alexander dugan that was like his focus of his work yeah and he had 12 professors helping him out with the phd 11 of them quit because they said this is too dangerous you shouldn't be allowed to study this topic it's uh because he partakes in something called strategic empathy where he really wants to understand the Russian perspective and be able to empathize for the purpose of understanding. And everyone said, no, this is disgusting. How can you have such an illiberal worldview? And now he's getting calls from all over the world of people like,

what is going on? Please explain Eurasianism to us. And he's... Well, then that's the issue then. If we mentioned Ben Shapiro's tweet. He said Russia – Putin wants to rebuild the empire. Yes. Sanctions aren't going to deter someone who's ideologically driven.

Yeah, totally. If Putin is driven by ideology, I believe he can and will use nukes. I mean – maybe I shouldn't say will. He's capable of – what I mean to say is he's the kind of person who I believe has the capability and the willpower to put it... I'm not saying it's a good thing to press the button and say, I will get what I want.

You know what I mean? Yeah, people are reasonable when they're driven by these temporal things of money day to day. I just want to stay safe. But when you're at that higher level where it's like even something like revenge or this is a spiritual battle, then you get people that will blow themselves up in stadiums for it.

Yeah. But I think, you know, to elaborate on the profit motive thing, I'm not saying it's like Putin wants money and he's like, where's my money, my oil? It's more like getting resources for Russia. Yeah, I agree with that. So, you know, what I see is we mentioned it 50 billion times. You've got the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. You've got the corrupt energy dealings Joe Biden was doing in Ukraine with, I should say, his son and then his intervention with the government. And Putin's like, look, we support the Russian people selling oil to our customers in Europe. We charge what we can charge. The West doesn't like those prices, so they're playing dirty games like funding or providing resources to rebels in Syria and then playing dirty games with Burisma. Joe Biden's on camera saying, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting

the billion dollars. Turns out that prosecutor was investigating the founder of Burisma, whereas someone's on the board. Conflict of interest at the very least. Putin's like, you're screwing with my ability to generate resources for my country and my people. So that's less of an ideological and more of like looking at a world leader thing. But I wonder if it is more ideological then. Well, I know it's difficult to say. I can't read Putin's mind. I think there's an argument to be made that it isn't ideological, that it is more or less from Russia's standpoint a security issue, whereas from America's standpoint, it's an ideological issue. So we see this as we would like for Ukraine to become a more liberalized nation, which is part of NATO and which is part of the EU. And from Putin's perspective,

it's as soon as they become a NATO country, the United States could put military bases there. And it's an entirely different set of concerns from I either want to make more money or I want to expand my nation. Yeah. and this would be like the last point. If they do think that the U.S. are going to build troops up there and they do think NATO is going to join then they're like, we have this short window that we have to invade and actually be successful and it's got to be now.

I want to ask you guys Oh God, did I just forget the question I was going to ask? Yep, it's gone. It's coming back. I actually got a buzz in my ear and the New World Order just said no. Oh, no. That's a real thing. No freaks here.

So there was this video on Fox. Maybe I should pull it up, actually, where this, actually, I don't know if anybody wrote about it. I'd have to find it on Twitter. Cool. I just remembered my question. So you can do that. I didn't know this until recently, in some polling like 80 to 90 percent of

people in crimea wanted to go back and be a part of russia and i know people have said like oh the russians specifically sent people to live there to try and make it a russian majority and have that happen but then they've got the same thing in donesk where there are a lot of people that want to be a part of russia do you think that they should be allowed to have some sort of vote referendum like quebec did in canada to join some sort of vote referendum like Quebec did in Canada to join Russia? Or is that a problem? Okay, I want to... Reasoning.

Self-determination. But people are saying it's malicious and Russia is specifically sending people there. So, like, let's look at open borders groups. If they specifically had a bunch of Mexicans go into California and then said, we want to have a referendum to see if California wants to be a part of Mexico. How would you feel about that? Well put.

Well, I mean, I got to be honest. That's war. That's a type of war. Tim would say California, they can have it. Yeah. That's what I said. You picked a very interesting state there, Lauren. I got to say, even though the things California is known for are basically useless, what they're not known for is useful, which is producing food.

Yeah, a lot of almonds too. Here's the question though. The issue with the Donbass region, Donetsk, Luhansk, some people have told us, and again, I know it's fog of war, propaganda. It's hard to know what's true, is that it was Ukrainian. And then during the Soviet Union, Holodomor, Russification, the eastern regions became predominantly more ethnically Russian as opposed to Ukrainian. Now, 30 years on, all of a sudden, it's like, well, there's a lot of Russians, people, you know, speakers here. Guess Russia should take it. I guess the question is how far back do you want to go?

What is the issue here with the eastern region of Ukraine? If it was the Soviet Union, if there was an empire, it collapsed. There are some questions about boundaries and borders and stuff. Sure. California is a little different. If California is allowing people to come in as noncitizens and then they have kids who then become citizens and within 18 or 20 years they vote to secede and join Mexico, do we respect the wishes of secession? And this country was founded on a bunch of people being like, we hereby vote. We're not part of the royal British empire anymore.

And Britain was like, nah, and they fought over it. So maybe that's what happens is like both sides will claim their right and whoever has the ability to defend themselves or reconquer the land. You might say like they have like some ethical justification to say we're going to be part of Mexico now. But realistically, the U.S. government is not going to give up their West Coast, all that water access. Well, that's why Tim brought warfare into it too. It would be a question of would Mexico be capable of going to war with the United States military? And the answer to that question is almost certainly no,

unless there was an ally in another part of the world who wanted to send their troops in to help. So China said, let's destabilize the region. You are wrong. Oh, I am wrong. Explain. You got to understand, man,

with what we're looking at in Russia, a bunch of regular people with guns, almost impossible to conquer. that's true air superiority does does nothing for holding for occupying territory you can't occupy street corners with fighter jets that's true vietnam and right even afghanistan now exactly back our artillery is not going to hold down uh it's not going to force people to you know go to certain buildings or to not go near certain buildings certainly you can blow the cities up okay well sure but what's the what then what's the goal there so well if you're trying to conquer or maintain control of a land blowing it up and wiping it off the map it's kind of like uh well

we're losing anyway let's cart let's blanket sweep and just wipe everything out rebuild later maybe but you're not going to be able to control the people. Here's why I'm still correct. Because... Oh, boy. Because, you are correct. I mean, firstly, a defensive war is always easier and less expensive to fight than an invasion is.

However, it would depend on what percentage of California wanted to be a part of Mexico and how many people there would actually be willing to fight alongside the United States government to maintain that territory as part of the U.S. I don't think it's just a question of the U.S. coming in and blowing things up. No, of course, of course. If there was enough sentiment in California for secession, and I actually think there might, like I said, around third to to 40 percent of people in like each of the

five regions of the u.s are you know favor secession of their region so uh the question is how many people support secession how many people oppose it and how many people don't care and if you look at uh like democrats to republicans in california is two to one it's like for every two democrats is one republican and then independents are people who are more likely going to say, I don't care. So I kind of think that if it was a Democrat secession, which is what people are actually talking about and what the Podesta, what the Boston Globe story, they were war gaming out what happens after the 2020 election. If Trump won, they were suggesting the West Coast secede. It's a left Democrat secession movement. Whether or not the United States can stop it from happening, I'm not entirely convinced they could.

We can talk about what did Biden say? If you want to go up against us, you need nuclear weapons. Are you talking about bombing civilian populations with nuclear bombs? Otherwise, you can't do anything. Destroying a country is different than taking and conquering a country. That's why propaganda is the most important thing. Well, and it's the entire reason they want to disarm people.

Oh, yeah. Isn't it amazing watching all of the lefties go full soy over the Ukrainians being armed? In support of. Look at all these normal individuals, boss babe with her gun. And I'm like, yeah, that's cool. In support of. Look at all these normal individuals, boss, babe, with her gun. And I'm like,

yeah, that's cool. I love that. But why don't you want that for us? Because the Second Amendment isn't about, oh, I want to go to the shooting range and have some fun. It's for if this happens. I think this might be waking a lot of people up to that and realizing that, yeah, we need to be armed. Look at our southern border. We should have access to it. Southern border's porous.

What do we have, like a million encounters last year or more? Oh, yeah. And it would be way more than what we're counted. I was just down there and I was watching every day. I went out. I counted a million. I counted a million myself. No, I literally just drove to one random part on the other side of a country club in McAllen, Texas.

Stayed there one morning at 4 a.m., got out of my car, and there were traffickers walking by. And they're like, don't film us, don't film us. And I'm like, holy, you can just drive anywhere across the border and see people making a little journey. It's wild. How can you, what, electric fence? Can we do something like that? Okay, so here was the issue, is there was

a Texas country club, there was the wall, and then it just stopped. And there was a Texas country club, I guess they couldn't buy then it just stopped, and there was a Texas country club. I guess they couldn't buy the land, so all of these human traffickers and gang members were just going through this country club on the side of McAllen, Texas. And the 30-mile-long wall.

I guess not, because they just go around 4 a.m. They say there's shift switches at that time with the border guards, and they're just kind of lazy and a little more lethargic, so they'll just go across at 4 a.m., go through the night. This is why mentality, culture, psychology is so important for a war effort. If the United States has a large quantity of people who don't care about their borders,

and even the people employed to guard the borders don't care about the borders, then you ain't got a border. Absolutely. And then, I mean, so we got into talking about this because of the issue of the Eastern region of Ukraine, where you have people voting to, to, you know, be annexed by Russia or to cede or whatever. In Crimea, that's basically how Russia gained control of it. They were like, oh, we had a referendum and everybody voted. There was a poll from several years ago, like well before the annexation, and it found that it was the most pro-Russia portion of Ukraine, that they basically were like, we're Russia, we're not Ukraine, but

we're legally Ukraine. So I can believe that a lot of people there want to be part of Russia. I don't know if I believe the referendum was legit. You know what I mean? Like Putin comes in, he had tanks ready, and then it's just there. But I do think it's interesting. We're talking about guns with Ukrainian citizens. The question I have, I guess, is if these like liberal types, not leftists, leftists like guns,

these liberal types are cheering like Occupy Democrats cheered for the distribution of 18,000, I think it was, you know, select fire Kalashnikovs, full auto rifles. You said, like, why don't you want that for us? And I'm'm like it's an interesting question why do they want ukraine's borders protected and the people armed and they want the people of the united states disarmed and our borders porous and weak because they want russia broken because they're they're russiaphobes because they listen to the media russiaphobes yeah they're russiaphobes there's a lot of russiaphobes? Yeah. They're Russiaphobes? There's a lot of Russiaphobes. Okay. Sorry, I'll let you finish that and then I'll go to my article. It seems like the liberal people

that are acting is a fractal behavior of the liberal economic order which has literally gone around the world setting up military bases and disarming countries like Japan after World War II,

arguably justified, I don't know. But the fact that they would be like, stand down, get rid of your nukes, Ukraine. Like, that's basically what these liberal people are trying to do to American citizens. Get rid of your weapons, guy. Like you just fall in orders, fall on the path, you know, mindlessly, whatever it is.

Is that going to be an effective human civilization? A bunch of sheep just bleating about and then just eating grass? No, I think diversity and like resistance is more effective. If you look at nature, that seems to be what helps nature grow. Competition helps advancements. Yeah, you need a reason to want to work to go forward. You just go forward because that's what happens.

You got to want it. Yeah. Okay, can I read you this headline? So talking about Russophobia, first of all, I want to point out, if you watch movies, you can always have a Russian villain. You can always have like an East,

I even just say a villain from Eastern Europe and no one really cares right they're like oh yeah that's fine but if you have a villain that's you know uh i mean you could maybe do this 10 years ago but a muslim or something people will lose their mind there was an article in the globe and mail today that said russians in the sports world are doing pr for putin's war machine um and they're talking about alex ovechkin hockey player and i'm sure did you guys see the tennis player that wrote no war on the camera yeah so in this article they're saying all of that is pro-russia we need to basically these athletes are all pro-putin because they just said no war they didn't say we hate putin wow and it's like a full-on like hardcore kind of

anti-russian article and they're talking about russians that are saying they don't want a war and saying no enough of that there was an nbc i think it was nbc ex-executive that said we need to start kicking russian students out of america we need to start seizing their property and i'm like there are you know there are thousands of russians protesting against this war like russians are not putin you see someone vandalized? It was like a Russian club or something, like Russian-American club somewhere, like smashed out the windows. They banned all Russian vodka in Canada.

That's right. In Canada. Yeah, at LCBO. I went and got a bunch of Russian standard vodka because they took it off the shelves two hours after I picked it up. We should go pick some up. I knew the Russian bathhouse in Manhattan

is like the best bathhouse in the world. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you pro-Putin? Yeah. Wait, hold on. Let me go, Tim. We got to experience the Spanish flu, and now we're getting to experience Cold War anti-Russian xenophobia. How fun.

It's a – You know, you got to get spice to life, I guess. Yeah. Cyclical. We had that video from Alex Jones where he was saying it's like a World War I, World War II buildup. And he accurately predicted – I mean as much as he predicted it, he said back in – I think it was October that there would be a big war in February. So you have to wonder. Where's that jar?

Do you have that jar somewhere? Oh, it's downstairs. Alex Jones was right. Jar. He's getting his advice. People were like, there should be more money in there already. He has a lot of good context because that was some good info apparently. But I also – if you look at like the way the world inflation is going, you can kind of predict a conflict on the horizon back a couple years ago. Oh, yeah.

Yep. Price increases predict all of this stuff. So you look at what's happening in the US and you've got all the tensions already. And now – I mean – and how about that? The Russiaphobia or whatever you want to call it, has been around since 2015. Like they're the boogeyman and villain. Russophobe. Russophobe.

But it's a big component of the culture. Russophile as well. No, no. So look, look. You get people saying you're a Russian bot. You support Russia. They say Tucker Carlson is pushing Russian talking points. And it's like what did Tucker Carlson say?

He said, here's what the West is doing in Ukraine. Here's what Putin is saying. And they're like, ah, he supports Putin. So what's happening internationally is also a big component of the culture war. You add into the fact that we already have terrible inflation. Now this conflict is going to make gas prices worse. Energy in Europe is going to get worse. Escalating prices for energy and food and then shelter.

These precipitate major conflicts internally. So I got to say, man, it just feels like everything's kind of falling apart. I was thinking about how you said culture is, or politics is downstream from culture, and I was like, yeah, really, I want to help the world. If I was trying to get everyone fresh water and internet,

if I do that for someone that's the enemy of someone else, that someone else is going to be really mad at me. That's right. Because that's going to help them grow and produce more humans. But if I'm an entertainer and that person is watching my movies, their enemies don't care.

In fact, their enemies are probably also watching my movies. That's the beauty of entertainment. It connects people. Osama bin Laden was playing Final Fantasy VII. He played Animal Crossing. What? Absolutely. He was a human being who played.

Humanization is a problem. If you come out and you talk about why does Vladimir Putin want to do this what are his intentions then you're pro Putin like that's literally what they said about Tucker Carlson well this is that that PhD guy I was talking about it terrifies me how little we understand so in China in Russia they understand

us very well we do not understand the East but they get us you'll see it even China will come out and they'll be like go to the United out and they'll be like, go to the United Nations and they'll be like, oh, look at America. We need to deal with America's racism problem. George Floyd, woohoo. Like as if they aren't super racist. There are a lot of people anyways, obviously not all. And there's definitely an unwillingness to understand them because it's like, that's humanization. You have to leave them as inhuman. If you even try to understand the Eastern perspective, then you're pro-Putin, you're pro-China.

It also scares me, and I wanted to kind of talk about this quickly if you guys are willing to, but when we talk about making political decisions in the West, it's on a four-year cycle. It's just based on election cycles. With Putin, with China, Russia, it's all like 100-year cycles. You've seen China with the South China Sea. That's been a 100-year plan. We're going to slowly take this. We're going to work on this. And Putin, how long has Putin been? At least 20 years. Yeah, he's been in office ages, but they're looking on the long term. We're not. So they're like, short-term pain economically now

for Ukraine. What's that looking like in 50 years for us? That's how they're thinking. Well, there's a terrifying reality in that to an extent, authoritarianism is efficient. The problem is, the problem is if you're, people always get mad at me when I say that. And I'm like, it is, that doesn't mean it's effective, efficient, different. So here's what I mean. Let's say you're in a car and you're driving straight towards the edge of a cliff and there's one guy in charge. And every single time someone screams and yells, we're headed for the cliff. He says, shut up. I'm driving. You go off a cliff. Just, just, just, it was, it was fast. It got the job done real quick and then not effective. If you had everybody in the car arguing over what to do, you know, eventually someone screams and says, you've got to turn. And then everyone says, turn. I say, okay, fine. And they turn, you know, go off the cliff.

So the decentralized system of power, things can be sluggish, but I think you're offered up more opportunity for averting disaster. With someone like Vladimir Putin, he can move very quickly in a single direction. China can move very quickly in a single direction. They can wipe out a whole bunch of houses and then build a highway. That sucks for the average person. And then what happens is centralized power limits your ability to see what's going on. A decentralized network of humans who are running something can come up with way more solutions. And then eventually the meritocratic solution finds its way to the top. Not always. With authoritarianism, you got one really smart person, a philosopher king or a despot, either way, they can say, don't do this. It will be bad

for us. But they also are just one person, not the smartest person in the world. And they're not able to see everything and they'll miss. You put it this way, 99 problems, they find one, they solve it very quickly. It's efficient. In the long run, they miss out on all the other ones. So I think decentralization is the safest path forward. But Vladimir Putin, China, they're able to- But is it the safest when you are competing against people that can move quickly? Because I think it's the safest on a worldwide scale, but not when you have competitors that can go like- I think there's another answer here. I mean, I don't think it's so black and white. So I agree with you that it's a huge issue that our thinking is so short term in the United States. I don't necessarily believe that long term thinking is incompatible with a decentralized system. You just have to have a population that is virtuous and intelligent enough to want to make decisions that will be better for the future. So as it happens, our culture is really bad at cultivating virtue and encouraging people

to move in a direction where they will make sacrifices today for a better future tomorrow. If we were better at doing that, we wouldn't need some kind of insane authoritarian system for people to make decisions that would actually be good for their children. So a really good point is when you have a unified culture, you could theoretically have a despot, but no one cares because they all agree with the direction the culture is going in. So if the people of Russia are all like, we like what Putin is doing, it's part of our beliefs and our ideology, are they really going to be upset? Obviously, there are people protesting. I'm not saying they aren't. I'm saying if everybody in China agrees with Chinese communism and are willing to make sacrifices for the greater culture, then

well, I think part of the problem is in. So for the United States, even though we've always had these four year election cycles for the presidency, we were able to progress towards goals that took us quite a long time. And that was because for the most part, we were on the same page culturally, a different political party taking power from the political party that was just in power for four to eight years didn't really mean the country was going to move in a radically different direction. So you could achieve things that would take decades and decades to achieve because no matter who you voted for, they'd be interested in that. Now the difference between the left is so massive and we completely disagree on what's good for the country and so that does mean every single time power changes hands our country moves in a completely different direction we can never make any real progress well let's let me let me

clarify that see i think you got a little bias there seamus you're assuming they're operating based on what's better for the country they aren't no they're not objectively not i would agree that they're not i mean if you're for uh open borders if you're for non-citizens voting, if you oppose the Constitution, you're literally not for this country. No, I agree. Now, look, here's the issue I take. I never said they were for the country. You said, I'm being somewhat facetious, but you said, you said, deciding

on what's best for the country. Oh, yeah, sure. They're actually arguing what's worse for the country. I would agree. Here's my issue. I have, if you're of the opinion that America sucks and the woke are, and it should be dissolved or destroyed or overturned or dramatically altered or there should be a revolution, fine. Just say it. Just come out and be like, we hate this place.

And I'll be like, all right, like, just be honest with me about it. Well, and that's the thing. A lot of them do. And then we're still willing to engage in conversation with them about what direction the country should move in. Well, I mean, like the Democrats, like the actual political class and the neocons, of course. I don't think it's just the Democrats and the neocons, though. It's been like a fascinating trend to watch some of the people that hate this country the most be right wing nationalists. Have you not seen the memes where people are like, hey, you're a fascist you're a bigot you're a white male we hate you

and then hey man come and go to war with Russia with us and they're like no F you I hope you die like they're like I hate this country now I hope it collapses John Doyle did a whole post on it and he's like you know this is we're in

a regime that is conquered by a globalist liberal power. And it's crazy to see, you know, nationalists being super against America. Well, so interestingly, Stephen Marsh, we had him on the show. He wrote the book, The Next Civil War. He he summarized it in a way I hadn't heard someone summarize it. And I think he nailed it. He said, within the United States, there's a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic and they can't coexist.

And I was like, you nailed it i mean that explains i mean they want to get rid of the electoral college which would be devastating insane yeah they they they they're for open borders to a great degree i don't you know they always come out and they nitpick it's like no to a great degree they um they've been you know the democratic establishment's been smuggling my um migrant children illegal immigrant children across the country on planes on on military planes. They're very much at odds. They don't believe in the Constitution. But here's the issue I take. If you want a multicultural democracy, okay, present your case, make your argument, go vote. Let's have that conversation. The problem is the lying. They come out and they say, we're for this country and the Constitution.

Let 800,000 non-citizens vote for New York. And you're like, they're not citizens. That's the same. Being for the country and being for the Constitution are different because the Federal Reserve was formed literally. The Bank of International Assessments. This is like a mind worm in our system. It's been in there for like over 100 years. And that is the country.

So I don't love that. But I love the Constitution. No, no, no. But hold on. Look, Ian, if a brain slug landed on your head and took over your body, I wouldn't say, well, I guess Ian's got to go. I'd be like, get rid of the brain slug. You would because you know me, but everyone that saw me would be like, hey, Ian's acting crazy. Right.

That's right. And it's been, what, 100 years or whatever? So you have to detect what the virus is. Well, I'll point it out. I want to point this out, Tim. You're talking about the fact that these people will not come out and say that they hate the United States of America. And at some point, and I'm sure you agree with this, I'm sure I'm not going to get much pushback here, but we'll see. At some point, they don't really have to.

It's like that person who tells you they don't hate someone, but then every single thing they say about them is bad. And whenever they talk about the goodness that they might potentially find in that person, they say, well, they could improve in this way. They could hold themselves to the actual standards that they've set. It's like, okay, you hate them. And I'm not going to be all that surprised if you're actually rooting for their downfall instead of trying to make them better because everything you say about them is critical all the time. Criticizing in good faith is different than criticizing with trying to destroy someone. I agree with you.

The issue is there are a lot of conservatives, there are a lot of moderates and libertarians who think that the left is being honest when they say these things like uh you know so again to throw it back to the conversation we had with stephen marsh i said you know in california they tried repealing their civil civil rights legislation or provision from their constitution you know they they actually are in favor of segregation he goes yeah well they're saying so are you and i'm like and they're lying well they said they're saying you're lying and i'm like yes but they literally tried to pass a proposition to repeal the civil rights language in their constitution. I didn't. And I'm not sitting here advocating for any

conservative to do that either. I'm saying, hey, don't. But the problem is for a regular person, you know, he was saying, look, I'm about 30,000 feet watching this thing. And then I'm like, and you need to dig deeper to see exactly who really is lying and telling the truth. That's what I want to know. What's the mind worm? What do you think it is? What do I think the mind worm is? The liberal economic order?

Yeah, I think it's the downfall of liberalism right now. I mean, you've had communism failed, fascism failed, liberalism went forward and was successful. But it's something that it may last longer, but it's still coming to the end of its life. It's eating itself. Is it classical liberalism or did it get twisted? I want to respond to that. So liberalism is failing, but not as an ideology unto itself. Communism fails because communism is psychotic and doesn't work. Liberalism failed because liberalism allows the malignancy to come within it. But is it the classical liberalism was working and they allows the the malignancy to come within it but is it the classical liberalism was working and they changed the definition of the word liberalism just reused

it for this new military that's what he's saying that it allows the freedom for that distortion because it allows so much freedom and then here's what happens when uh when i am weak i ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles and when i'm, I deny you freedom because it's according to mine. So what happens is we have these liberals. It's happening, like true liberals, like classical liberals, like civil libertarians. It's all of us. When we keep saying things like, look, I understand this far leftist is saying crazy things, but I have to respect their right to free speech. And they go, thank you so much.

Ban him. He's a bigot. And then you get banned. So we all keep playing fair and saying we have principles, so we want to free speech. And they go, thank you so much. Ban him. He's a bigot. And then you get banned. So we all keep playing fair and saying, we have principles, so we want to uphold them. And they say, thank you for doing that. You know, not deleted. But a good example of how that can also work in your favor in that situation, like Majid Nawaz was in prison for terror, basically in Egypt for terrorism.

He's on Joe Rogan. Great show. You guys got to check this episode. Groundbreaking. And it was Am amnesty international he was like anti-authority anti-west you know anti-everything he was like a terrorist basically against the west and amnesty international still wanted him free because he was being unjustly held and he was like why why does this this idea of this liberty this western thing want me free even

though i want it destroyed because that's the that's the idea of freedom is that we protect your right to protest the system. And he had never done any violence. He had just been talking about it. Let me pull this story up because this is relevant to what we're talking about. This is a tweet from Fox News. Not backing down Ukrainian parliament member on inspiring civilian resistance. We know that we not only fight for Ukraine, we fight for this new world order.

What? Actual quote from Kira Rudick. And the interesting thing is there's like some articles that have kind of framed it as though she was saying, I can't remember if it was a national post, they were like,

she was saying the invasion would precipitate a new world order or something. No, she's saying she's fighting for it. But is she referring to it in the proper noun sense of the new world order is? Or is she using this phrase as a buzz phrase she heard somewhere?

I mean, it's's obviously it's just even if it is just a buzz phrase and she doesn't understand a terrible language especially when you've already got so many people that are like oh look at george soros loves this this is like nato this is this country is an experimental country created to create american bases and nat and spread liberal ideology, like terrible language when you've already got people talking about all of that. It is worth simply talking about the fact that the Western ideology, even though it's morphed into something else now, what some people would call the New World Order, some people would call this amalgamation of larger institutions, it is constantly wanting to spread itself to other countries,

and Ukraine is one of those countries. And if it's just Western values that it has, that's great. But if it is getting this mind worm of all the other things that is causing America to decay in a lot of ways, then that's a problem, isn't it? I don't know about the grand conspiracy of the New World Order. I know it's been said by several world leaders. I think George H.W. Bush said it in the 90s. I think it's the grand conspiracy of the new world order i know it's been said by several world leaders i think george hw bush said it i think it's the same word as like the deep state

right or it's like it exists but it's not you know lizard people it's like there are people that there are people within the administration that stay there even when presidents change and that's very normal and people can call it the deep state and they can mean it as lizard people or they can just mean it i've asked alex jones what's the difference between the deep state and the shadow government. And he was like the deep state, basically the administrative state, the people that get hired and stay there for 40 years and they're not elected, but they're on the floor of Congress. But then the shadow government is like a secretive kind of global governance

that's in place in case of nuclear war that's going to take control. That's what Alex told me. So here's the issue I take with this whole idea of the New World Order is there's a weird overlap between what china is doing and people saying like you know biden is a puppet of xi and they want to bring chinese style social credit systems here but then when it comes to the russian invasion china's on the side of russia and opposed to the u.s and the u.s is desperate to like it's like begging china please help us not only u.s are you talking about this invasion right now the bank so switzerland you mentioned earlier, Switzerland defied its neutrality.

Switzerland is the home of the Bank of International Settlements, which is the central bank of central banks. Yep. And now it's fighting on the side of, against Russia

or whatever side this is. Here's what I mean. Like, if there was a, which is it? Are we, is China's influence expanding around the world

and now we're, you know, Democrats went and met with China and, you know, these Communist Party members and said, wow, look at the speed at which you can build a highway. This is one of the stories we've heard. They went and they're like, how do we do this? And now you've got this happening in the West. Or is it the liberal economic order that wants to unify United States, Western nations through NATO or whatever, the European Union? Both can't be true, right?

To a certain degree, there can be some issues. That's why I'm like it needs to be properly defined what it is. Or is the grand conspiracy that Russia's invasion was all part of the conspiracy for the new – How many levels of underwater backgammon are we playing? Right, exactly. Or is it just like, I'll make it simple, this lady said something dumb because she's dumb, you know? Or is she part of a secret plot to overthrow world governments? It's like the Australian health minister that said this is all about, what was Klaus Schwab calling it?

Thank you, Lydia. The New World Order thing? No, she didn't say New World Order. The Great Reset? Yeah, she's like, this is for the Great Reset. And everyone was playing that. And it's like, why are you using these words? Yeah, really.

Why? It's so weird. They do sound cool. So maybe it could just be it sounded cool. Like, New World Order sounds cool. Really cool. The new normal. And it could also literally just be for publicity because they get people talking about it.

And they go, well, that's not how I meant it. Obviously, you insane conspiracy theorists. But now you are talking about it. That's what they want. In this mind war that we are in, fifth generational warfare, that's what they want to happen is for people to accidentally start saying we should do what they want them, what they want. It's hard to believe. Anything you watch, nothing you watch or read online, it's like, is this 12 levels of irony?

Is this a serious statement? Was it a mistake? Even watching this war live, we always talked about what would it be like if we had Instagram and Twitter and everything when World War II was happening. And now we've got it. And all we're getting is a ton of fake information. So we've got the ghost of Kiev who was actually, it was like a video game simulation video that went viral. And then obviously you had the footage of or the recording of the 13 people that were allegedly killed on Snake Island by the Russian government.

And it's like awful. But then the Russian, I saw RT published an article saying, no, we actually took them captive. Here's a video of that. And I'm like, oh my gosh, there's so much different information being put out here. What do you even? Yeah, I saw. Look at this. Hold on.

Hold on. The video showing Ukrainian fighter pilot shooting down a Russian plane. The Ghost of Kiev clip is from a video video game not a video of fighting in ukraine this is from politifact yeah yeah and there were even uh left-wing articles i actually i won't say left-wing because i don't want to i don't like portraying it as left-wing versus what right with russia versus ukraine because ukraine is actually very nationalist there are a lot of right-wingers a lot of people that support the majority of people are supporting ukraine obviously this is an invasion by russia but um yeah there were uh progressive articles saying actually it's good

as long as it's positive misinformation and the ghost of kiev is misinformation that is boosting morale and i can see how there's an argument for that but also like no it's still misinformation yeah i think i think um the truth will set you free and and we should have honest information and assessments and understanding and people should be motivated by that the problem is you've got uh you know i i think within the parent factions you can call it the multicultural multicultural democracy versus constitutional republic one side favors truth and discussion and pragmatism and one side favors control yeah the the multicultural democracy faction is just like everyone get in line the majority rules and the constitutional republic is make your argument state your case

i think it's like the truth about what though because i understand why the truth but not only are you get to choose how you want to demand what you want to demand, but you also have to decide what it is that you're, what it is that you're going to demand about. Like, what is, what are these people creating? Man,

this is, this is a vague way to put this. Maybe I can come back at this later and be a little more clear. Do you guys understand what I'm talking about? People that are like obsessed with the truth, you're also creating reality.

So if you drop bombs on someone, yeah, you can speak the truth. I killed a bunch of people. I'm not going to say that. That's not me. In Minecraft. In a theoretical,

this crazy guy might say. That was the truth. He was speaking the truth, but he was also a violent, evil person. So the truth isn't enough. You need to be good as well. But then we're talking about war and what's good in war.

What I mean is in the US, someone says, I think our country should be doing certain things. And I say, why do you think that? And they say, take a look at this information, this historical record, and what's happening right now. Wouldn't you agree with me? And I would say, you make a really good point. I don't agree on that issue, but maybe there's something we can do.

The left says, you're racist. You're a bigot. X, Y, and Z really happened. You should vote for me on this policy because Putin is kidnapping babies. Or how about the Desert Storm, the woman who said, oh, they're killing babies and all that stuff. They lie to convince you to give them something. The problem with that is if we're not in the service of function, of meritocracy, of effectiveness, then it's just ripping things apart. Things are being destroyed.

Yeah, exactly. If somebody says, I believe we should take this action for fake reason, there's a good chance they're wrong about that action. There's a good chance it just makes everything worse. If someone's got a really good point to be made and they give you the evidence for their decisions, you can say, I understand and I agree. Let's give it a shot. Yeah.

I mean, don't trust anyone who says that they're willing to allow misinformation to spread if it helps their agenda get across. But because at bottom, what they're saying is, I'm not sure if any of what I'm about to tell you for my position is actually true, but I do want you to believe it. Winston Churchill used to tell the British that they were going to win the war, but he didn't know. It was just propaganda. He was just trying to make them feel good.

Hold on. Well, if you were a leader in a military and then your country,'s some war would you not use propaganda no no there's a big difference between saying ian if you give me ten dollars then i'll go save a whale and then take your ten bucks and go buy a beer with it there's difference of lying and just creating propaganda and me saying give me the ten dollars i will save these whales and then i try and fail there's a big difference there oh that's a good point right But we only found out after the fact. If a general comes out and says, we are going to win, it's like, yeah, that's an opinion.

He's like, he's trying to boost morale. Then I get. We're going to do it. But what if he knows you're going to lose anyways and he's just doing that? No, but this is the question. Is there ethical misinformation? Like you think about a kid who's about to die in a hospital and they're terrified

and asking you, mom, doctor, am I going to die? And you hold their hand. Yeah, you're going to die. No, like probably telling them you're going to be fine and letting them pass away in their sleep would be the ethical thing to do, even if it's a lie. I suppose. Yeah, I think, you know, we often talk about the nuance in information. Censorship is a good one. There is such a thing as good censorship. People say censorship is wrong. It's always wrong. It's not true at all. When someone's posting child abuse on social media, censors should remove that.

And the person who posts it, illegal stuff should be taken down. Censorship can be good. Lying can be good. Like you said, if there's a child who's dying and no good is served by making the child suffer by freaking him out, then maybe the kid's got an hour to live. And you're like, don't worry. Everything's going to be fine. Your parents are here. Everything's great.

And then they pass away. And it's calm and peaceful. They're not scared. So can that be used on a mass scale, though, like you were saying with Winston Churchill, like just propaganda? Even like they use dehumanization of the other forces because they'd have that problem with people not pulling the trigger if they think of, oh, if you went out and you're like telling the truth, these people are just like you. If you sat down and had a chocolate bar with them, you could talk for hours and have a beer and they're just like you.

Who's going to pull the trigger in that war? It's a tough question. Oh, yeah, you got to use propaganda. I think getting back to sort of the ethical bedrock here of whether it's ever okay to lie and looking at this example of a child who's dying, I think there's also an argument to be made that you can comfort the child without lying to them. You don't have to literally say you are going to die. Or even in that instance, for example, if you come from a religious household,

you actually believe your child is going to go to heaven and be with Jesus. You tell them that you're going to go to heaven and be with Jesus. It doesn't require that you lie to them necessarily. And so I would say when it comes to dealing with people on a mass scale, if you're lying, you are doing something wrong. That's what I genuinely believe. Yeah. I mean, look, and I understand that's a controversial position because there are a lot of white lies that people accept that you can't tell. Fundamentally, I believe that lying is never okay for any reason. So let's talk about war for a second. Let's say you're going into war.

You know for a fact you're going to win. And you stand in front of all the troops and be like, we're going to win. And everyone cheers, and then you win. That's fine. You tell the truth. Let's say you're not entirely sure. It could go either way. But you're going to rally people and say, we will win.

That's different, right? The idea is you have a fighting chance so long as people believe. Then if you believe and everyone's got morale boosted, I think it's fair to say you will win. I'm different, right? The idea is you have a fighting chance so long as people believe. Then if you believe and everyone's got morale boosted, I think it's fair to say you'll win. I'm okay with that. If you know for a fact you're going to lose and there's limited purpose served and you're just sending people to die, wrong. No, but there are times where

they knew they were going to lose and they said we're going to stay and we're going to win and then lightning strikes the enemy camp and stuff like that has happened. Well, it's true that you don't know anything i think there's a really important point to be made here which is that they're there you get into an interesting ethical question when you ask is it lying to say something as if you know it for sure when you don't i think that's a lot more complicated i would argue that telling your soldiers you are going to win when there's a chance that you're not going to win could actually negatively affect your chances because we're just going

to win. But if you tell your soldiers this could go either way, you got to fight really hard to make sure that we come out on top. That could be better for morale. That's a good point, actually. And you would say we're going to win so long as you put everything behind it. Exactly. This depends on you. Don't falter. I think that people perform better when they think we're going to win so long as you put everything behind it. Exactly. This depends on you.

Don't falter. I think that people perform better when they think they're going to win. Well, people vote for the candidate they think is going to win just because they think they're going to win. But, like, wouldn't there – okay, so you look at, like, the Gallipoli campaign, showing up on those beaches and just seeing everyone slaughtered around you and being told, like, you know, you're going to win, you're going to win this war. And then wouldn't that, like, rush doubts through through your head everything i've been told is a lie everything for this cause is this is why winston churchill sent us here to die world war ii like

i don't know midway through the war they decided to invade near italy gallipoli that's part uh turkey uh and they they just beachheaded it and landed and it was just a slaughter absolutely and an australian annihilation yeah devastation i think you got to be honest but this is the challenge um the cheaters will lie and the cheaters get that advantage and so you got to hope that i think but i think disadvantage yeah well i would argue that in the long run lying is a disadvantage because you end up in such a tangled web of misinformation that you're not making decisions based on reality anymore it does catch up to you It depends on what your goal is. So when you look at a lot of these establishment players, I feel like most of their goals is

just individual power, self-interest. Yeah. They want a nice house for themselves. Like that BLM lady who owns like five houses or whatever, you know, okay, whatever. You know, they come out and they claim they're doing all these good things. They lie. Sure. For humanity, it sucks.

It's making everything worse. People burn down buildings and die. But the individual succeeded in it sucks. It's making everything worse. People burn down buildings and die. But the individual succeeded in their plan. Lying helped them. They got what they wanted. They extracted what they could. And then those of us that say, you know, we got to be as honest as possible. It's, you know, I'll give you an example with the stories that are coming on the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island. What was I saying the other day ian about the ghost of kiev i've not seen any evidence it's a true story yeah i've not seen i've seen clips on the internet of a plane i don't know what that is it is a cool story it's masculine it's a hero it's ace fighter pilot so

it's cool it boosts morale but i don't know that it's true now it turns out at least some of the footage was not even real it was from a video game and so people are like maybe this is not real it's propaganda. And it probably is the case. The same thing happened with Covington. When that story came out, people sent me this video and I'm like, it's some kid standing there.

I have no idea what this is. Well, look at the kid's face. I'm like, what about his face? I don't know. And so I looked and someone sent me a Facebook live stream showing what happened.

And I was like, I don't understand. The Native American dude walked up to him. Why are you mad? Like people are mindless towards this stuff. They they just don't care they want to believe it the manipulation i think with the covington kids really ended up being very detrimental to media organizations but if your goal is just to maximize your individual profits you don't care how much

damage you're causing to the system or the country honesty if you see a video of a jet flying you'll be like i saw a jet flying yesterday but no be like, I saw a jet flying yesterday. But no, you didn't. You saw a video, a bunch of pixels of some data. You didn't see the jet. And so when we're in the metaverse and we're experiencing reality, what we think we're seeing, we're saying was... Anyway, I'm sorry.

And it's only one angle. Oh, yeah. No, I just had a thought that was like... I was thinking about your point. You're like, people who lie will eventually lose. And I'm like, maybe the reason that the lies are necessary is because we've had a cultural and moral decay, whereas the lies wouldn't be necessary without that.

Because you could just tell someone, yeah, you know what, you might die, but this is a cause worth dying for. Whereas today, people are like, no, I don't want to fight unless we're going to win. Like I was saying about the border guards who don't care about what's happening at the border. Yes.

There's a video that got released recently of a plane landing at an airport in, I think, what's the, Westchester? Is that north of New York? I think it was, maybe. But it lands north of New York, and there's a federal contractor, and there's a cop,

and he's like, what are you doing? And they're like, I don't know, we're supposed to do this. And he's like, okay, well, you're not supposed to, but we're going to let you do it anyway. And then the contractor says to the cop, no one can know we're doing this. And he's like, why? well, you're not supposed to, but we're going to let you do it anyway. And then the contractor says to the cop, no one can know we're doing this. And he's like, why?

And he's like, because the government's betrayed the American people. Those are two guys that don't care about this country at all. And one's a federal contractor and one's a cop. That, I think, is indicative of what's happening in this country. That you would witness a serious crime

by your government and be like, don't care. It hasn't affected me. You know, I think about these stories I hear from, you know, Morocco or Brazil or Russia about bribing cops. And they say it's like, it's the norm. You're in South America and you get pulled over a slip of 50 bucks and you're on your way, right? South African driver's license.

It's just like, they call it a driver's license in any country you go to where you can do that. But in the United States, you can't do that. You try bribing a cop. No one would even try because they know the cop's probably going to be like, you can't afford me. And I'm not risking. I got a body camera. It's never going to happen. But there is a certain degree of corruption that we're starting to tolerate.

And that is complete self-interest. Is it so different? A bribe, right? If I give you cash versus if you overlook a serious federal crime by your government because you like the money you're being given by them. Yeah, I think we've just got better PR than a lot of the rest of the world. Yeah, American propaganda is the best in the world. Absolutely. Let me tell you about where this country is at.

How about that? The finest. This is a segment for all of our socialist friends out there. We have this story from Barons.com. I love the name. Russia's Swift exclusion could spur cyber attacks.

10 stocks that could benefit. That's an amazing headline if I've ever seen it. So let me break that down. What were you saying about moral decay, Lauren? Moral decay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So Swift is the international payment system.

It's like the Society for Worldwide – what is it? International or something or whatever. Financial transactions? Yeah, there you go. I don't know. Something like that. Yeah, let's make it up. And it's the banking system.

So they're slowly kicking out Russia's banks from SWIFT, which I believe could result in Russia being unleashed. They're already sanctioned. They're already in this position. And now you're saying, we're going to remove any leverage we have over you outright. Just get rid of it. So just backing them into a corner. Or unleashing them. Letting them off the hook.

Or letting them off the leaf. A man with nothing left to lose is a dangerous man. Yes. And so I believe, you know, I said this before, that I think banning Russia from SWIFT would be a huge mistake because you're effectively escalating the conflict the most extreme way possible. Russia's now got no ties to these other countries or financial institutions. So if they nuke you, it won't affect them because you're now severed. You severed all those economic ties.

Well, Barron's excellent name, by the way, is saying you can benefit by. Well, they're not saying you could they're saying 10 stocks that could benefit and they go on to list a bunch of companies like hey you know you know what they're saying they're basically telling people without telling them directly buy these stocks war is good for profits always a way to make money in the markets i suppose and here i am trying to figure out what stocks they're telling me to buy palantir oh of course palantir yeah they say paulo alto networksantir. Yeah, they say Palo Alto Networks, Zscaler, CrowdStrike, Tenable Holdings, Verona Systems, Fortinet, Telos, Mandiant, Palantir, and CyberArk Software.

So is it ethical to make money off the decline? I don't... Why wouldn't it be? I don't even know what the word ethics means anymore. Can you define that for me? Fair enough. I mean... Instead I guess so much of that has become an individual thing rather than something we would all agree on. Yeah, there's sociological ethics and then there's personal ethics.

This is a good question, though. Is it okay to profit off the decline of the United States? I tweeted out that I bought a bunch of Russian vodka the other day before they banned it. And people were like, this is really unethical of you to go get embargoed products. Like, you want to make money off it? And I'm like, well, you know what? It's not – I can't do anything to stop it. I think that as a society, it's unethical not to profit off of the decline of nature.

Like, the destruction and creation of nature, if we're not trying to profit off of it, then we're not doing our system justice. Well, what do you mean by the destruction of nature? And I guess also define profit. Oh, but what if the profiting off it makes it worse,

like accelerates it? Well, yeah, definitely. That's bad. I guess, you know, hold on, a lot of people are probably going to say not true. Rip off the Band-Aid

or peel it slowly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, rip it off or rip it with the hair Not against the hair Have you seen that meme Where it's like in the event of a nuclear strike Lay down

Face towards the blast Put your hands on your head That way the blast hits your head Sooner and you'll die faster Oh my goodness It's like a dark meme Was it unethical for them to tell kids to duck and cover In the Cold War

Get under your desk And then the nuclear blast You might have some chance to survive Which they wouldn't And they knew they wouldn't. And they knew they wouldn't. No, yeah. Depending on the distance, you actually can be shielded from some of the radiation. Yeah, the initial blast radius for a lot of nuclear bombs is not as wide as people think.

They think it's like 30 miles. It's like a half mile maybe, which is massive. There was this thing I think the New York Times did where they showed an overlay of different nuclear bombs and how it would affect Manhattan. And it's like, yeah, from river to river, Manhattan is hit. So if you're in Jersey City and Manning gets hit by a nuke, you're not in the immediate blast or radiation zone, but you're going to get hit by the

shockwave. So you see the duck and cover because glass and shards are going to go flying. Do you guys have a bomb shelter? No. You guys ready? No, but, you know. Let's get the shovels. None of you have bombshells. On Zillow, they were selling a warhead missile underground launch station.

Did you see that? That was wild. It was like 300K. Yeah. Missile silos. Go pick it up. Get a missile silo. So crazy.

You could, and they're really deep, and it's not even that expensive. You've got to think about buying a house these days. The prices are going up. $300K, what is it, like 16 floors? That's cheaper than a townhouse. Go live in a missile silo, guys. Was it Jake Paul or Mr. Beast? They went to one of these emergency shelter nuclear silos?

That'd be fun. And it's like you live underground for 30 years in the event of a nuclear strike or something? But does it come with the missile is the real question. I think they took the missile. They took it. How can you still call it come with the missile is the real question. I think they took the missile. They took it. How can you still call it? It's just a silo then. It's no longer a missile silo.

It's false advertising. Just an empty silo. Well, I can tell you this. I don't think it's wrong to profit necessarily. It depends on how you look at it. But I'll say since all of this stuff has been happening and getting crazier, I've certainly bought stuff that I think is going to help me. I've bought, you know, we've got bug out kits. We've gotten emergency food. That's just like, I would like to survive if bad stuff happens, but I've bought silver and gold.

I've bought Bitcoin and Bitcoin just went up quite a bit. So as soon as they were talking about banning Russia from Swift, I was like, I better buy more Bitcoin. When I learned about also, so real quick, because if Russia has kicked off off of swift they're going to have to replace their international transactions with some kind of infrastructure and bitcoin is a is essentially free infrastructure they still have to build some russian specific you know hubs and stuff so then i thought why would they use anything but bitcoin if they've already got a bunch if it already exists and it's already connected internationally you're effectively telling them to go on this decentralized shadow network instead of the government-controlled one.

They're going to be like, fine, I thought Bitcoin's going to skyrocket because of this. But more importantly, I don't want to be holding US dollars. Let me just tell you, man, that beer you got there, old 690, it's a great place. Gone. Prices, oh yeah, for sure. They're a local brewery and their prices went up. And I noticed, maybe we bought more. I don't know.

But it was more expensive than a couple months ago when we bought it. And it's probably inflation. We went to go buy some whiskey from the liquor store. We get the good stuff. The price doubled. That's the trifecta. We've got the pandemic. We've got the Russia phobia of the Cold War.

But now we've got to get the economic crash. The 80s gas shortage and hyperinflation. We've got to get the hyperinflation, the wheelbarrows of cash. It was 2006, 7, 8 when I first learned about the military economic order, basically. I was like, well, I can't profit off this in good conscience. So I stopped making money completely. I was totally poor for like a decade. Lived in

abject, almost, not abject poverty, but pretty close to living in my car kind of poverty because I just did not want to profit off the system. But it was to the point where I was destroying myself. I couldn't participate and help the system. And I realized if you want to untangle a ball of yarn first, you need to get a hold of the ball of yarn. I need to be rich to fix this system from the inside.

So I am profiting off this unethical treatment of our slaves in Uyghur China and things like that. Rich is probably the wrong word. You need to command influence. That's true because one of the greatest things money gets you is influence. And that's what a lot of these rich people want to do is buy a YouTuber and speak their words for them. And that's actually, I think, a contradictory statement. Money doesn't buy you influence.

You can try to buy influence. Michael Bloomberg. Exactly. Michael Bloomberg. That guy dumped a lot of money into this show. He had a diminishing return on his investment. No, it's because his ideas are garbage. That's true.

So he dumped half a billion dollars. So people were saying it was really funny. They were like, Tim, you did a video ragging on Michael Bloomberg and a Bloomberg advert. And I was like, I would like to thank Michael Bloomberg for sponsoring a video where I rag on him for 20 minutes. We did a cartoon about this when the Bloomberg advertisements were everywhere just ripping on the Bloomberg advertisements. If you all want to check that out. And people were commenting like, oh, I got a Bloomberg advertisement for this. Of course.

Because he's trying to counter that messaging from you, but it doesn't work. It doesn't work. No, it makes my video funnier. Yeah. Yeah. So look, there's a really funny story I read once from BuzzFeed. Maybe I shouldn't say it's funny. But there's this YouTuber who had 300K subscribers and was working as a waitress.

And she said one day a little girl was like, oh, my God, you're so-and-so. Why are you working as a waitress? And she said one day a little girl was like, oh my God, you're so-and-so. Why are you working as a waitress? And she was like, oh, I just, you know, it's a job. And then she went in the back and cried because like she's famous but broke. And it's like, yes, you can have a lot of influence and no money. Influence is more valuable in a lot of ways. And depending on the type of influence you're trying to do, if you're trying to threaten systems that do have more money than you, there is a cutoff point for how influential

you're going to be. Because if you don't have any money to fight back what these people are going to do to you, they will steamroll you. The rich can absolutely squash the poor in anything. This is why the press focus on YouTubers when they slander people. You know, you'll have someone, who's the guy from Braveheart? I can't remember. Mel Gibson.

Mel Gibson. Thank you. This beer hit hard. But you'll have to cost more money. who's the guy from Braveheart? I can't remember. Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson, thank you. This beer hit hard. You'll literally call Jews oven dodgers and you'll get plenty of articles from mainstream media that are like, Mel Gibson on a fancy vacation

at this show, at that show. But a YouTuber will say one off-color word, like they'll say retard once or something and that'll get a whole article in all these different outlets. They'll only be referred to as extremist, right-wingist right wing this that because they know they can get away with it because mel gibson can afford massive amounts of lawyers and representative whereas youtubers

don't really have that i think i think we've got um with kyle rittenhouse's you know he's going to do that but he's got he's going to be bankrolled no no for sure for sure but i'm saying him and project veritas i think are going to help change that game. But they've hit that threshold of the amount of money you have to have to be able to fight back against the elites. Because if you are just small, if you're someone – I mean, Tommy Robinson had money, but you can just send someone to jail. Or you can block the crowd. Yeah, you can't afford a lawyer. If they know you're threatening, the idea is to change the system without them realizing that it's like Uber appeared and it was a threat to the taxi system, but they didn't realize it until Uber was prevalent. I just think people got to sue Wikipedia.

I would love to do that, but every lawyer has said not possible. So you were talking about that a little bit. Yeah, we talked about this a little bit before the show because I said this to James O'Keefe as well. I said, sue Wikipedia, the organization, directly. And the issue everyone says is, oh, but it's user-generated content. No, it's not. Well, then why does every lawyer tell me that it's not possible? Because they haven't gone to the website and looked at it.

If there's a lawyer watching this that can sue Wikipedia with me, send me an email. So you guys were saying before the show, you're saying on Wikipedia, you go to Wikipedia article. Sorry, yeah, pull up on Wikipedia. And then there's a byline, and the byline says, from Wikipedia. So they're basically claiming they are the author of this story. Yeah,, yeah, pull up on Wikipedia. And then there's a byline, and the byline says, from Wikipedia. So they're basically claiming they are the author of this story. Yeah, so we have this story from Wikipedia. Lauren, is it Cherie?

Cherie. Cherie is a Canadian alt-right political activist and white nationalist and YouTuber. Lauren, are you alt-right? I'm not alt-right, and I'm not a white nationalist. And you know, in an article with a living person you have to at least after this put someone's rejection of a label and they just won't even do that and that's in their own like terms of you know how the website should function they just don't care well so here's the issue right um you can see they've got weird interesting the sources here for alt-right and they're it's an a and a b oh and you're not supposed to use opinion pieces for like hardcore claims that could hurt someone's

reputation but they do it anyways here's the funny thing on my wikipedia they don't they've actually rejected a bunch of op-eds that were too over the top bro i don't know how you got away with that because he knows wikipedia can be sued la Because I keep – well, so with the articles about me, there was one – this is really interesting. It said Tim Poole has donated to multiple Republicans. And then someone in the talk section said if you look at – if you actually search federal records, Tim Poole has donated to more Democrats than Republicans. Sure, you can say he's donated to – because it's like – I think it's like Rand Paul. But it's about what's left out of the story that matters. Exactly.

But then the editors were like, I don't think this is an accurate piece if they're omitting something like this. And so they rejected it outright. I always look at this and they could, you know, I would consider myself a documentary filmmaker. You wouldn't even know I made documentaries if you read my Wikipedia page. And that's what I've gotten the most views for is my films that I've made. And you wouldn't even know reading this page.

So here's the point we were bringing up with lawsuits. This is what I said to James O'Keefe. It says on wikipedia.org, Lauren Southern from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So there's some serious questions that need to be answered by many different courts from many different countries. It may be that I'm wrong, and the court decides that if a media outlet

includes a byline of their own corporate name, but commenters provided the information for the formation of that article, you can't sue them. I would love a judge to pass that precedent and then just watch the absolute psychotic chaos that would unfold on the Internet. So right now is what you need to understand about Wikipedia. First, I'll present it to you like this. If Seamus over here, Freedom Toons Coghlan, posts on Twitter

that Lauren Southern is a big stupid doo-doo. She's the worst out there. Lauren Southern did a backflip. A statement of fact. And that causes you damages because you have a vow of no backflips. Well, you can't sue twitter because the post says at james coglan yeah but what if it said at twitter on it you

could sue twitter right i mean of course of course the premise makes sense but i've never seen anyone do it what i have seen people do is so it's the whole what's a publisher and what's a platform what is it section 230 that covers this in the states yeah um and people in australia they've sued uh google because google they choose what articles you see they are a they're a publisher they publish things and they use wikipedia as their main source it literally comes up in a separate sidebar like if you look up on google or in southern they feature that and publish that you so you can sue Google for this because that's what they publish. And it's been successful in the courts before. Really? Yeah. Well, here's what I'm saying. So when we had James here, I mentioned this and he was like, yeah, but you

know, section 230. And I'm like, yo, the byline on this Wikipedia article is Wikipedia. No one else. So imagine this. Imagine at Timcast.com. I tell people, hey, if you comment, we'll take all your comments and then post it as a legitimate news article. Could you imagine if it said, you know, Tim cast.com slash article byline, Tim pool. And then it said, you know, political high profile, political individual took action. You know, I did something that was clearly false. Like, you know, uh, Nancy Pelosi punches baby in the face and then like clearly defamatory, clearly libelous, clearly slander.

But, well, you can't sue me. But there's a language matter here because it says from Wikipedia, not by Wikipedia. And then it'll tell you these specific editors who put it. I'd love a judge to answer that question. Yeah.

Because if a judge says, well, you know, that doesn't really count, then I'll be like, then i would love a judge to explain how you can have an article it says article on the article with a headline lauren southern with a byline below it and now the organization that published it is exempt oh wait whoa i'm reading something on here it says i was demonetized by youtube and banned from paypal i've never been banned from paypal i use paypal every day what trash and says I was demonetized by YouTube and banned from PayPal. I've never been banned from PayPal.

I use PayPal every day. What trash. And I'm not demonetized on YouTube. So that's a false statement. That's not even true. What are they referring to here? You know, when I was living in Australia, my Wikipedia said I was permanently banned from Australia. They can literally just make shit up.

It's wild. So the issue is it needs to be tested in the courts. And we need this. I don't know if it would go to the Supreme Court or where it would end. But a judge needs to answer for how this applies section 230 because wikipedia does a lot here's another thing you see that lock symbol next to your name yeah that means it is not open to the public interesting the lock means only specific wikipedia individuals i have no idea how to access that right i would have no idea how to edit your page as a member of the public. Okay. So here's another, this is a whole on conspiracy world that I'm

going to get into. There's an editor on my page. It seems like gray something. And he all day, every day is sitting there editing like Michael Malice's page, Jack Posovic's page, Cernovich, all of these big right-wing figures. I swear he's being paid by some sort of organization to do this. I genuinely believe there are people being paid to edit Wikipedia articles. Oh, that's a fact. I would be shocked if there weren't. No, no, no, no.

I know them. You do? Okay, so I'm not crazy because I was like, this guy, how is he sitting all day on Wikipedia just fighting in the comments section? They're called reputation management firms. Yes. Yeah, I tried to change Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia after the emails dropped and talk about Sidney Blumenthal and Osprey

Global Solutions and within like 30 seconds it was removed. Within like six seconds it was removed. And they're just sitting there monitoring it because they're getting paid to do this. And you're right. They've done reputation firms where they'll create fake articles and put the astroturf them on Google. I actually know people who do this. I've actually

had events put on. So I did an event a while back with a buddy of mine, and one of the sponsors of the event was a reputation management firm. Here's how it was explained to me. They were like, you ever have the media lie about you? Okay, well, here's what we'll do. We will get placement in several medium-tier blogs of stories, and then we know how to work SEO to make sure they appear on the top of Google and then make them more prominent. Then we'll go in and we'll have our employees argue on Wikipedia

against the inclusion of defamatory content. Yes. Now, of course, these guys didn't say to me, like, we're going to lie and cheat and smear people to ruin their lives. They said the opposite. They were like, the media writes fake stories. We protect you from that. That's how they frame it. Now, it may be the people I know actually are doing the right thing, but there are people who do the wrong thing. Yeah. That's what I was going to say is what's scary is that obviously can be used in the

reverse. The media are writing accurate articles about you and you're having the wealthy can pay. I did a video on this called sainthood for sale. You can literally pay for your reputation. And if you can't afford your reputation, if you're a 19 year old kid or even a high schooler that just gets slandered in a local paper as a racist and you don't have anything else online about you and that's the first thing that comes up, your options are limited in the future you're screwed over and you're not gonna have a money for a lawyer you're not even gonna know the first thing what to do whereas if you're extremely wealthy i i actually buy sainthood i i think actually there's something interesting here

with the uh your wikipedia there's a question over i i think the question of where they can sue them has to do with whether or not they're making opinion statements that you know um but i think if wikipedia actually says something happened to you that isn't true i think it's clear-cut lawsuit for wikipedia so they have the biographer don't you have to prove malice in america um yes you have to prove that uh So actual malice is not like hatred. It means that either they knew it was false or they were reckless as to the publication of the information.

Reckless. I'd say that. Well, so there's an interesting thing here that Wikipedia might win the suit on the, on the question of malice and be like, we didn't know this person was doing this. We'll ban them instantly. You know, and then that's all that can ever really be done. I don't know for sure. I think it needs to be. I also really want to clarify that the public

because people say this all the time they're like oh well if it's untrue just sue them any lawyer you go to about defamation they'll initially say to you all right hundred thousand dollar down payment and there's like a five percent chance we'll win like that's right and then you have to pay all throughout the years for that like do you think people oh just sue them no the media can get away with so much fake nonsense. Real quick, though, Lauren, I'm pretty sure if you started a give-send-go to just

hire lawyers and do these suits, I'm pretty sure you'd make easily $100,000. This is what terrifies me, and you should do that. We'll go into this in a second, but that's why Justin Trudeau calling up the emergency acts and slamming down on the crowdfunding is like, I was always like, well, at least you can crowdfund it. If we want to buy a public property and turn it into a private property and turn it into a public park, at least we can crowdfund it.

Which is why money doesn't always buy you influence. But if you have influence, you can often get money. So I don't know your financial background. I don't think you're a millionaire or a billionaire, Laura. I don't know. Totally. Yeah. Me?

Here's my point, though. People know you well enough. They like you enough that if you said this is defamatory, slanderous, not only is it to – I mean damages might be a challenge in a lawsuit. What damages have you incurred due to them calling you a white nationalist? There could maybe be an argument for familial, emotional. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. So that could be tough.

But my point is, if you said, hey, I'm going to sue Wikipedia and I need help, people will help you. And that's influence. Yeah. I've spoken to lawyers and even pro bono lawyers that I've spoken to. They're just like, it's so hard. Like very, very few people are successful. The only successes, like I said, have been on Google.

I haven't found a single successful Wikipedia lawsuit. I would imagine. Maybe there's one, but he bankrolled absolute crap. Got to try. I would imagine it's hard. Not only is it expensive, but it takes a long time. They just want to make your life. They will torment you to make sure you don't set a precedent.

Torment you. Just keep you in the legal system for a decade if they can. I've never sued partly because I don't like involving the legal system unless it's absolutely the last choice. Get the wide shot ready. Yeah. We're going to wide shot, ladies and gentlemen. Are you prepared for this?

We're just getting you ready for now. Okay. Because we're going to see what's going to happen. So, thank you. I don't remember. What was I talking about? What's the wide shot? I have no idea what's happening. What's happening? Something's happening. Oh, good. Okay. Because we're going to see what's going to happen. So, thank you. I don't remember. What was I talking about? What's the wide shot? I have no idea what's happening. Something's happening.

What's happening? Something's happening. Oh, God. I'm scared. I'm sure everybody already knows in the audience. Oh, no. So, I don't know. We're getting the cameras ready.

Am I not in on the joke? It's not a joke. Oh, God. I'm scared. I'm about to be sacrificed. So, it's confirmed? Should we talk about it then? Yeah, we can talk about it.

But you were told they're coming up? I was told. We were swatted again. Yeah, again. Are you serious? Oh, I should put the sword down. Maybe we can talk

to him on camera? No, he's going to pull the white camera up. Anybody who wants to walk in here is going to be on live. Do you think they would be interested?

Well, I guess ask him when he comes in. He's busy. He's on duty, so maybe not. Are you serious? You're going to be swatted again?

Yeah, third time. Third time's a charm, I guess. They know that's been happening, so they're ready for it now. But I don't understand why they're coming up and coming in. They do a basic check now because they know us. I don't know why my camera isn't working. It was big news in the air.

You can't get it? No, let me see it. Give me the why. So they're going to actually come in here? I didn't... I've watched this on Twitter. I can't believe I'm living it. They're saying they're actually going to come into this room.

Yeah, that's correct. Okay. Yeah, so they'll be visiting us again. Just to make sure no one's getting choked. You know, they're doing their job. I want to, like, see it for my mugshot. Yeah, maybe you should push that over. room. Yeah, that's correct. So they'll be visiting us again. Just to make sure no one's getting choked. They're doing their job. Maybe you should push that over. There's like... So I will say this.

I used to have a mall sword behind me. It's a mall sword. I went to a game store. And it's like some anime sword. I don't know what it is. It was like 20 bucks. So I bought it. And then everyone's like,

what a dumb anime sword. What a some anime sword. I don't know what it is. And it was like 20 bucks. So I bought it. And then everyone's like, what a dumb anime sword. Like, what a dumb mall sword. And so I actually ordered a Wakazashi. People are like, you've got it upside down. You're doing it wrong. It's dull. It's not. It's ornamental.

It's beautiful. Calm down. No matter what I do, people are like, your swords are bad. Welcome to the internet. I love that sword. Are they coming out? That's what I heard. See what happens.

Anticipation. It might happen during the super chats. Well, I guess we're just chilling. It's a wild night, man. 2020 is crazy. So the first time we got swatted, it was right after Marjorie Taylor Greene. And that was probably the worst one because it was the first. So the cops, we had a ton of cops here. It was crazy.

And they came up. The door opened. There was a cop there and he's like fanning for me to come like we like we're live in the middle of a show like i'm not getting up and these cops are peeking in i didn't and the cop walks in looks around and i'm like what is going on luke was here and he just keeps talking like then he watches the cop leave so then once i figured out what had happened and i got the message saying like we were swatted i, okay. Then I got up and ran out and said, what happened? They told us that was, um, that was the day after Marjorie Taylor green was here. She was here on January 5th. And so what I think happened was the show goes live at 8 PM on January 5th. It wraps up on YouTube at 10 PM on January 5th. That means most people won't get the notification for it until January 6th of all days to have Marjorie Taylor

Green. So then somebody swats us. The next time it happened, I think it was the day after we had Andy Ngo and James O'Keefe. Did you ever find who was doing it? Top men are on it. Swatting is not a joke.

Swatting is a terroristic activity. You're putting cops in potential harm's way. You're putting people in potential... Animals in harm's way. People can get killed. It's not a...

Oh, dude, I literally just had like a nervous like... Yeah, but my gut's on fire right now. I'm like, what if a cop walked in and I was literally holding that sword?

Yeah. I was actually like, oh, we're going to protest. I feel that way. This person is a terrorist. Whoever made that phone call is a terrorist. It's a domestic terrorist. And they might gonna process that way this person is a terrorist whoever made that phone call is a terrorist is a domestic terrorist and they might not be american but they're a terrorist i didn't i didn't you know so i didn't want to bring it up that it happened you know so like lydia's like messaging me and i'm just like i'm just gonna i was wondering what

you two were on about yeah like text text text that's good then when we heard that they were coming up i'm like okay well just – You have to say something. Now we better say it. Otherwise, it's going to abruptly happen. So I'm trying to verify exactly what's going on. I'm messaging people. Yeah, I'm curious what happens. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I think the second time they came by, they didn't come up here.

Yeah. They just talked to people downstairs and then left. Yeah, they did like a sweep, but – They weren't on the show. They know what this is. And I'll tell you what really bothered me about the first time it happened was when when they came here they said it was exigent circumstances they have a right to enter the property but uh they also said on the radio we think this is a it's a swatting because it's a political podcast which means they outright lost exigent circumstances right away by thinking that

they have to they have to believe that there is something happening to they can violate our fourth amendment rights I'm not a fan of that like i can respect them coming and rushing into danger and all that stuff and being like but if they genuinely think it's a swatting like why are you here dude yeah yeah but i'll say this it's i guess it's good that they keep coming yeah well can't they just like check the stream and be like oh okay look who they have they probably do but there's so many employees in the house that it's yeah just i have no idea but that's why i'm like i can't believe they're actually going to come up right i'm glad they do i'd rather they check on us i suppose give them a little high five this is all like a hostage situation and we all just have to act we've got signs telling us to act normal nope cop i'm joking

although that's what the sign says it's like everyone can see that's not true the most um on on good terms, you can be with a cop is in a moment when you're being swatted. Like there are so much on your side at that point. Cause they think something bad is happening to you. Yeah. It's important to keep in mind if something like that happens. We think this is a first.

Yeah, me too. My first swatting as well. What'd you guys think of that? Well, it was, uh, it was interesting.

It's not over yet. I want to make light of it, but it's such a horrible, just a dangerous, devilish, terrible thing to do to a human is this using... Agreed. But we're at war, or maybe we're not. We haven't been at war since World War II, but the world is in some sort of psychological conflict. So I understand why.

I'm just telling you that it is very bad, very dangerous, and don't do it again. Well, thanks for coming, Lauren. It's been fun. Yeah, thanks for almost getting me killed, guys. I'm not in on the joke. Oh, Lauren's holding a sword. Sorry, Lauren. Nice play.

It wasn't a joke. Maybe that's why we'll get a little red light. It says, like, swatting on it. Yeah. Good idea. To be honest, if he walked in and you had the sword. Everyone, put the weapons down. If he walked in and you had the sword, he'd probably be like, nice sword, and look around to make sure no one's getting hurt, andting on it. Yeah. Good idea. To be honest, if he walked in and you had the sword. Everyone put the weapons down. If he walked in and you had the sword, he'd probably be like, nice sword and look around

and make sure no one's getting hurt and then walk out. Maybe. So I don't think they're coming in. Okay. I think they're being told not to. And they're like, okay. Okay. So they're actually listening.

And you can say hi. Hang out for a bit. Shout out to him. Unless they want to be on the show so he can be like confirmed. Yeah, man. You can have him pop in. That'd be fun. So, you know, we'll get to super chats. Smash the like button if you like the show. You can have him pop in. That'd be fun. So we'll get to Super Chats.

Smash the like button if you like the show. We'll do Super Chats in a second. So they're meeting with them outside. Yeah, Andy's talking to them. Same people, same guys. Probably. Same team.

All right, well, there we go. Putin did it, someone said in chat. Putin did it. Putin did it. I think it wasn't true. Like Putin is sitting watching the show and he's like, I just can't take it anymore. I got to get these guys.

Yeah. All right. So I think we're good. I think we're good. That's why I was like I didn't want to say anything because if they don't come up, I'm like, we're just not going to bring it up if it happens. But I was told they would be coming up. I guess maybe they were dissuaded.

Okay. All right, then. Well, if the door opens and cops walk in, then we will have a good picture. But we'll do super chats then. So we'll take your audience questions. Smash the like button. Subscribe to the channel. Share the show with your friends.

Go over to TimCast.com. Become a member. We're going to have that members-only segment coming up for you around 11 or so p.m. Let's see what we got here. All right. Let's see. Let's find a good super chat. Rob Matt says, if nukes were dropped, will you continue doing the show?

How can we listen if the internet goes out? Some type of radio broadcast, maybe? We'll need a voice if that happens. Who's the guy from Fallout 3? The guy from Fallout 3? Yeah. The radio host? Yeah, the radio guy.

I don't remember. He's cool, though. Yeah, the radio host from Fallout 3. You play Fallout 3, right? I think I stopped at two. What's up? 2 was good. What, really? 1 and 2.

I stopped having time for video games. Someone super chat the name. I'm waiting for someone to chat the name of the radio host from Fallout 3. Three Dog. I thought it was Three Dog. Three Dog. I thought it was Three Dog, but I've been playing Three Dog Night too much. I was like, am I just thinking of the band?

Yeah. Three Dog. Post-apocalyptic. That's what we're going to be doing. We're going to get like a ham radio. We should probably get a ham radio. Yeah. Not because Newf we were just for fun, but we should do it.

All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Shimcast with the best wooden son. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Yeah. All right. Here we go. What is...

Let's grab a good super chat. You always got to go through them. Freedog. Everyone's saying Freedog. That's right. It is Freedog. James Rogers says, respectfully, I good super chat. You always got to go through them. Three dog. Everyone's saying three dog. That's right. It is three dog. James Rogers says, respectfully, I don't believe Russia having nukes on high alert is that big of a deal.

Countries in wartime scenarios often do that as a deterrence. And if Putin believes Ukraine is his, I doubt he'd nuke his own country. I don't think he's going to nuke Ukraine. I think he's going to nuke someone else. Yeah. You know, I normally wouldn't think it's a big deal either, but I didn't think that there were actually going to be boots on the ground in Ukraine. So now I'm like, I don't trust anything, I think.

Like two days before it happened, we had Steve Rene on, and he spent time in Belarus. He was an intelligence guy. He was Army, right? Special Forces, I think. And he was just like, they might go into the east. And I said, do you think they'll go as far west as Kharkiv? And he was Army, right? Special Forces, I think. And he was just like, you know, they might go into the east. And I said, do you think they'll go as far west as Kharkiv? And he's like, no.

And I was like, they're saying that they're going to march. They're going to come north from Belarus into Kiev. It's insane. He's like, yeah, that won't happen. I'm like, I agree. And then it happened. And lots of people in, like, I had friends that were in Ukraine, like, on the ground there. And they're like, no, no one here thinks there's going to be an invasion.

Right, right. The whole narrative was, like,rainians were living their lives saying like even wasn't wasn't zelensky like there's no war telling the mainstream media in america to calm down like chill cool it so clearly you know u.s intelligence had some good sources just there was so much there were like the sun published there's going to be an invasion at 3 a.m the week before it happened. And that's what really brought my doubts in because there's been so... It's like the boy who cried wolf. And you can see articles for the last 10 years.

Invasion, invasion, invasion. Yep. But the problem with the story, the boy who cried wolf, is there actually was a wolf eventually. Yeah, exactly. And it eats him. Yep. Yeah. But no one believes at that point.

So it is a huge problem with the media that we can't believe anything they tell us. Or you just find media sources that are better, like Alex Jones. Clearly, he's got some good intel too. Yeah, we can't. If you listen to Alex Jones, he said in February war was coming. So I want you to imagine this. Somebody's sitting there listening to Alex Jones back in October, and Alex is like, Listen, people, there's going to be a big war in February, like World War I, World War II, that kind of stuff.

And the guy goes, I'm going to buy a bunch of Bitcoin. I'm going to buy some emergency food. And now with inflation and prices going up, all this is going down. And he's like, I'm good. Don't got to run to the store. Don't got to wait in line. Imagine if a Russian person, you see all the lines at the ATMs because of the ruble getting hit. Imagine someone in Russia was like, Alex Jones, good days.

Funny show. I'm going to get out the cash because of war, you know? And now they're fine. And I just got to say, look, the media can rag on Alex all day and night. And he said some crazy stuff, like on Joe Rogan's show about cell towers and human-animal hybrids and other weird stuff.

It scares me how right he's been. I'm like, please don't do that. It's complex enough. I don't need that. My favorite meme was like, it's like, I used to think Alex Jones was a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Now if he comes out and tells me werewolves are invading, I'm going to go buy silver. Yeah. But he's like, you know, to be fair, you throw a bucket of spaghetti

into the wall, some of it sticks. You know what I mean? But when it sticks in really interesting patterns, you're like, whoa, is this magic spaghetti? Or maybe someone planted glue. No, but I reached out to Alex. And basically what he said was watch the episode he did because people are wondering how he knew.

He explains it all in great detail. The clip everyone's posting is just a short clip where he's like war in February. But he actually breaks down what he thinks is going to happen and he's like i think he said it wasn't an exact prediction you know if you get the full context you'll see that it's just like a half prediction that he got you know what i mean but we made the jar downstairs as alex jones was right jar i think we should have like a little jar up like on a shelf and then whenever we like we'll have someone who just covers what alex says then if he's right, we'll be like, all right, five bucks in the jar

and we'll get up and we'll put it in. Yep. You know, I suppose the funny thing is though it's because like the media says he's wrong and he's crazy so often

that when he's right, you're like, it's an F you to the media that he got something right. All right, Elizabeth Carmela says, Seamus, boy,

if I missed you, in my opinion, you bring out the best in Tim. Some of that back and forth between you two is the best. I agree. He's miserable without me. I think the best back and forth is when I voiced Dr. Fauci on Freedom Tunes. Look, it's not bad.

And, you know, we have some Fauci Freedom Tunes stuff that's going to be coming out. Donor exclusives. Seamus won't give me any other roles. He gave me, like, the voice of cop once. You do a good Alex Jones. But it's not as good as mine. Not that I'm going to do it right of Cop once. You do a good Alex Jones. Look at that. But it's not as good as mine. Not that I'm going to do it right now or anything. Wait, I thought you were.

No, of course not. You're going full Alex Jones. No, not right now. Not for a second. You're an animal. No. Ian, I won't let you peer pressure me into this. So the joke we have for the vlog is that we were going to have it be that Tim Cass is completely funded based off voiceover royalties from Freedom Tunes.

That's actually true, though. It's true. Short-form cartoons make a lot of sense. Seamus has never paid me a single penny for all of the hard work I have done. Why would you say that? It's not true. He's like, you're exploiting my labor. That's actually true.

I'm living off of the surplus value of Tim's labor. He needs to rise up. That's an example of capital without money. There you go. Booyah! All right. Storm says, what stories are we missing out due to this conflict? I'm not saying a conflict was started to cover it up, just stuff can't – to cover up stuff,

but you can't let a good crisis go to waste. Can't wait to watch a bit later. That's a good question. The trucker convoys happening they're uh i think passing through missouri joplin i think they just passed through they got here on the fifth or in dc rather is it is it the fifth that's what i read on the internet must not be true oh yeah oh interesting let's question it yeah there's already military trucks parked out in dc yeah they're worried about oh they i was at the um capital today and they had

built up all these fences and barriers because everyone wanted to go in and hug Joe Biden so badly. Oh, yeah. So the most popular president ever, they got to block it off. I certainly understand what Joe must be going through. Everyone always trying to hug me. Yeah. Joe.

Man, it's kind of crazy. It's the nation's capital. It's like the people should be allowed to go. They used to. You could walk into the congressional building and walk around. There's old photos from back in the day where you could walk on the lawn of the White House. It's crazy. I'm starting to think maybe we don't need a capital.

We can all work online, and then if we want to go and get together for Congress, it can just be any city at any time. They can pick a different city at any time. Yeah, but, bro, then someone will deep fake a Congress person. Yeah. In person. You gotta be, helps to be in person. Yeah.

Cause you talk about remote voting and stuff like that. And it's like, they could go, they could use zoom. It was like, I see that Tom Cruise video where the guy, they did the digital editing. So he looks like Tom Cruise.

I saw that, that audio where they, they AI program, Joe Rogan's voice. And Jordan Peterson. Yeah. And then the scary thing is like, what if, I saw that audio where they AI programmed Joe Rogan's voice. And Jordan Peterson. And Jordan Peterson. And then the scary thing is like, what if Jordan Peterson promised to do like an online seminar that was audio only and it was just Seamus the whole time?

It was like, well, actually, I wouldn't even need an AI to do that. I would just go like this. What did the AI have Jordan Peterson say? You know what would be really scary? What if Jordan Peterson actually said all those things and they just told us it was an AI? What would be funny if like an AI was being fed a script of Jordan Peterson and it becomes sentient because of Peterson's like speeches? It's like, oh, I made my room. No, here's what I think is happening. I made my room.

Dive with me down this conspiracy theory rabbit hole that I'm formulating right now. So all of the celebrities and public figures in the world have gotten together to convince us that deep fakes exist so that when they get caught on video doing bad things, they could go, oh, that's just a deep fake. True. Controlled opposition. Look at that. What if Seamus was Jordan Peterson the whole time? I have been.

And Jordan Peterson. Why won't he come on the show? It's because he's been here the whole time. Exactly. Has anyone ever seen Seamus and Jordan Peterson in the same room? Yes. Yeah, in video. I feel like when you get older, you'll want to interview him.

Nope, nope. That was scripted. That's true. I feel like when he gets older, he'll look like Jordan Peterson. I'll look a little Jordan Peterson. Yeah, seriously. Similar frames. Look at how they have the same structure.

It's because we have an archetypal hero structure. That's right. It's just how we look. Yes. It's a matter of fact. Very high quality, high status men who reach the top of the dominance hierarchy tend to appear similarly. Correct. All right. IV says, Tim,

I am a.com member, sub, and I've superchatted numerous times, and you have yet to read my superchat. I'll got you now, buddy. Would you please invite Tor Maras on the show? Toray Maras? How do you pronounce it? Even better if Posobik was on with her. We will look into T-O-R-E Maras. Do you know who that is?

We'll look this person up. I don't know who this person is. Edward McClung says, hey, Tim, love your show, but you need to turn your katana edge up. You're damaging it. It's a wakizashi. I got you. You think you're going to tell me. And it's also ornament.

Well, it's actually real. It's just not sharpened I did not want an actual sharpened blade because I knew I was going to put it up do you consider like where you place your guests like oh I don't want to put this like big lefty guest near the

katana they wouldn't know how to use it all of the like the scheduled guests sit where you're sitting you have like the little orange thing because he's got a little button he can press They wouldn't know how to use it. No, all of the scheduled guests sit where you're sitting. Yeah, okay. And you have like the little orange thing. And then you guys get away. Because he's got a little button he can press.

Well, never mind. Oh, but I did get a sword this time, so you could set me up. But the cops decided not to come up. Yeah. You grabbed the sword. I started swinging it around. It was crazy. Maybe you should do that.

All right. You're a maniac. Let's grab another thought-provoking super chat you guys super chats are awesome let's see ben says the united states is currently buying 20 million dollars worth of oil from russia every day i think that's a that's interesting and now they're getting like five gallons for that but i'm all right ready to rumble says tim has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to Russia. Probably doesn't even realize that half the Ukrainian army are Nazis. I watch Vice.

I've known about the Nazi battalion. Are they the Azov or something? Yeah, or whatever. It's like, yes. Does that mean that they should not be allowed to have borders and Russia should be allowed to go in there because they're Nazis? Is that a left argument? Is it a leftist who's arguing that if there's a country with nazis they should be invaded by another country and those like i actually putin said that that he was invading because he wanted to get rid of the neon

that's very woke well i think their argument also it like they're playing on um russia was diametrically opposed to the nazis at least at the end of World War II, right? So they're kind of bringing that back from a lot of the people who would remember that attitude and that pride. They did that Punch a Nazi campaign. Don't punch anybody. What the heck? Don't just pick a group of people that used to be evil and demonized. Well, the issue isn't Punch a Nazi so much as it is Punch Anyone I Call a Nazi and I'm going to call everyone a Nazi.

Yeah. You ever see that song by Chris Ragon? Yes. Punch a Nazi? Yeah. But he got scared and he deleted it. Oh, did he? Yeah, he deleted it.

But it still exists because it's a really good song. There were so many people that made good, funny, anti-woke content that have deleted so much of it. Like H3H3 and iDubbbz used to make really funny stuff. They got scared. Yeah, I swear. They got scared. Yeah, I swear they got scared. And then H3H3 really went towards like, what is just going to get me popular

and keep me online? I don't know about... In my opinion. I would try and be a bit more... What's the right word? Charitable? Charitable. I think it's an issue of they're terrified of losing their jobs. Yeah, I think that's fair too. Maybe. Yeah, maybe I'm just not being fair.

You should see what happened to that Freedom Tunes guy, man. He used to make these jokes so I could not laugh. He just became a complete middle-of-the-road lefty type. Authoritarian Tunes? Yeah, exactly. It's Biden Tunes now. He's the president. And we make pro-Biden cartoons.

I think about it this way. There's a lot of people who say that they're unwilling to speak up because they want to lose their jobs, right? Yep. Well, look at people like Chris Ray Gunn or H3H3 or – who was it? Hunter Avalon. Oh, yeah. We had him on the show. I think he quit.

Did he like quit recently? Yeah. It's actually – like I don't care what someone's ideology is. He genuinely was just – it seems like he was having a bit of a mental breakdown from the internet attention stuff, which happens to like every creator at some point. So I hope he's doing all right. I think when you lack mental fortitude and you're put in a position of high visibility, you're very prone to having that kind of breakdown

because for a lot of people, they can't withstand someone saying bad things about them. You know, James O'Keefe talked about this, that early on in his career, he would see these posts made about him, these stories, For a lot of people, they can't withstand someone saying bad things about them. James O'Keefe talked about this, that early on in his career, he would see these posts made about him, these stories, and they were wrong. And it would hurt him. And he would be like, I don't understand why they're saying these awful things about me. And it's not true. And he wants people to know.

And then eventually he got older and he was like, whatever. I'm going to be true to myself and just do my thing. I've always been, just me personally, too arrogant, I'm going to, I'm going to be true to myself and just do my thing. I've, I've always been just me personally to like arrogant, I guess. So when someone insults me, I'm like, I'm, I'm better than you. So screw you. You know what I mean? So for me, I don't care if I lose my job. I don't, I'm going to say what I want to say. And that's very helpful in media. Well, I think it works. Right. right but then you have the interesting thing was you know chris raygun produced a lot of he's not he's not a political guy would he come on the show if you asked him no i really really it's really bad stage fright oh okay oh i don't know about that but i doubt he would because i feel like there was a period where like i've known him we hung

out with him um he was like anti-sjw because they're authoritarians but him getting rid of the punch a nazi video was really interesting because a leftist made an argument that it helped nazis or something and so he was like oh okay so we unlisted it it was so well done too he's got talent it was really on point it was like it was like making fun of the idea that everyone's a nazi and this guy is insane and in a cult but i think what happens is a hunter avon is a good example. He was a dude who produced a bunch of anti-SJW content on YouTube. And then one day he's like, hey, I'm a liberal now.

And I think what really happened is he saw what was happening to all these different YouTubers who were getting banned. And it's like, look, if you've got hundreds of thousands of subs and you're making six figures and you don't know what career you would do after this. Not, not only that, if let's say like, I can't, I can't use myself in this, in this, in this analogy, but for a lot of these people who they only have one channel and they're like, they found their, their, their voice or whatever. If they got banned and were known as a Nazi, they'd freak out because you'll never get a job anywhere. Absolutely. You'll, you'll, you'll apply to McDonald's and they'll be and they'll be like i don't know man i looked up on the internet maybe

you shouldn't work here and so they freak out and they're like just tell me what to say me i'm like i'll go live buck naked in the woods screw you so we're gonna i'm gonna say i know people who work at anti-extremist organizations that are completely right-wing privately wow and so they i just had coward wrong yeah oh yeah but it's like they they're in that position where it's like i'll never get a job i'll never be able to feed my family and of course it's when when i say anti-extremist i don't actually i mean people have confused anti-extremism with just converting someone to the left yep like you're an extremist if you're a conservative so to not be an extremist you have to be left-wing even if i'm a left-winger advocating for bombing pipelines or something

that's not an extremist then right um so i've-wing, even if I'm a left-winger advocating for bombing pipelines or something. That's not an extremist then, right? So I've kind of referred to these anti-extremist orgs as just Nazi job recruiting offices, because no one does a political 180. It doesn't happen. It makes no sense. No. But look, even for people on the right, I mean, like Dave Rubin made a very dramatic switch. And a lot of people were very critical of it. And he got, I don't know how to describe it, controversy when he went on Joe Rogan. And he was talking about building codes and stuff. And people were like, you know, even Joe was like, what are you talking about with building codes?

Like, what is your position on this? And that's what even Dave's been heavily criticized for. His, you know, hard switch. Candace Owens has been criticized for this. They said that she was like doxing people. I don't know a lot about the history. I don't know what Dave was doing before. I don't know what Candace was doing before.

And honestly, I think there's something to be said for somebody who goes from being in the popular establishment side to the dangerous risk of getting banned side. You know what I mean? You just shake yourself out of the military industrial complex quell that it's put you under. We're under the spell. We're born into it, told it's normal to be at war. Like, shake out of it. It doesn't mean you have to go politically haywire.

Just become self-aware. Are you just, like, hilarious saying that surrounded by your abacus and all these horns? That's why we have all this stuff, man. Like, we gotta break the spell, man. It's a joke. Let's read some more Super Chats have make 1984 fiction again and um before i read the super chat i'm gonna uh mention we have a t-shirt at timcast.com store and it says join the city urban liberal types and the first letter

of each of those words is red so it says join the cult Make 1984 fiction again says city urban neoliberal types. I like it. I really like it. We're not going to say that one. Yeah, neoliberal is one word. Neoliberal is one word. There you go. All right.

Let's see. What is this? J.G.J. says thoughts on Marjorie taylor green's association with a young idiots conference saw the eric erickson clip that was posted i don't know what that's a reference to are you referring to the america first conference if you are because i don't know if you mean young idiot by that but um marjorie taylor green spoke at nick fontes's thing and the media was like why are you speaking at a white nationalist conference and she was like i was speaking to people at a conference to tell them about ideas i believed in or something like that.

And I'm just like, these journalists, it's really funny to hear them yelling that because they have no idea what they're talking about. It's like, I don't, I don't know or care. Look, she said, I disavow white nationalism. I was speaking to people who cared about America, but the journalists are all like, but, but it's a white nationalist conference. And it's like, okay, I guess if you say so. What is that? You're not even asking me a question. You're just saying the thing over and over again. Sure, white nationalism is stupid.

I get it. Marjorie Taylor Greene has opinions. Question her opinions and ask her something about it. What is white nationalism? I mean, I'll ask this from time to time because definitions change from time to time. So what is it today? Well, Wikipedia has dubbed me the expert. I'm glad you're here maybe you can help me it's simple i think it means you have borders that's what i've come down to you have borders

the actual uh white nationalism is people who believe that there should be a country just for white people so it's like racial that's like the real definition right the real definition of course so when they come out and they and and they're accusing you they're what they're trying to claim is that you're a white person who thinks there should be a country just for white people or if you're a white nationalist in america you think america should just be for white people or whatever the problem is there was a i told the story before there was a guy from the boston globe who wrote that the based stickman you remember him right yeah they said he was a deep lore right way back in the day he was a white nationalist and i said he wasn't he has he was in a relationship with an asian woman had a mixed race kid and um the guy goes well he's white right

and i was like well he's a white guy yeah he's a nationalist right yes he's a white national there you go yeah that is the dirty game they play see now, now you can't sue them. Describe the color of someone's skin and then say that they're, you know, Ian, you believe in freedom? I do. You're a white freedomist. Oh, wait. Well, let's slow this down a little bit.

First of all, no human is white or black. My favorite one is in Canada. There's this story about all these mass graves that were discovered. Yeah, so there's no actual mass graves discovered. By the UN standard, mass grave, you know, it's multiple bodies buried in one area after some sort of war crime, you know, nefarious killings that have happened.

They actually found some graveyards. Some are just made up. Others are graveyards that have lost the markings because a lot of people used, poor Catholics and indigenous communities used wooden crosses, and they called these all mass graves. A genocide committed by Canada. Our prime minister commented on it

and they gave 27, yeah, Catholic schools and near residential schools. But in some cases, the residential schools were built like 13 years after the graveyard was even there. They were saying that like nuns were executing children and burying them in unmarked graves. Our mainstream media literally was saying that, um, when they were interviewing people saying the, the nuns were throwing babies in the incinerator under the school.

Like this is serious stuff. And they have $27 million for the investigation mass graves on every headline. And if you question any of them about it, a few like New York times and stuff took away the word mass graves. They were like, Oh, that's wrong. Um, I questioned someone about it and they're like, well, it's a graveyard, isn't it? So there's graves there, and it's large, which means mass. So it's a mass grave.

Like they had a funeral mass before they were buried. It's actually not by mass grave. But it is a mass grave. That just doesn't mean that they were executed. Well, but when people use the term mass grave, they're referring specifically to a giant hole that is dug to throw a bunch of bodies in there so you can hide the evidence that you murdered them. Because a graveyard is not a mass grave, right?

Right. This was a graveyard. Or not even necessarily hide the evidence. But you get what I mean, putting people in unmarked graves. There were no pins. It's not about hiding evidence. It's like literally just dumping bodies and desecrating. Carelessly, yeah.

All right, here we go. Roman says, when a co-worker proudly tells me they're a communist and then shames me for voting for trump my mind goes blank what would you say this happens to me all the time in california i would say okay like if i worked at a company and someone walked up to me and said tim and i said yes i'm a communist i would go okay and they would say you voted for trump and i'd be like yes that's stupid i'd be like okay yes. That's stupid. I'd be like, okay. I don't know. I wouldn't say. I'd be like, I don't know.

There's no conversation. I'm a communist. The first thing I would say is, what's it like to be a communist? That's a good one, actually. That's a great response. Because I don't think they could give you any real experience as to what it means to be a communist. Also, if you're in a conversation, someone's like, you don't know about fill in the blank? Say, should I? And it puts them on the defensive.

Well, should I? And they'll say, yes, but tell me about it. Yeah, then it can be legitimate. Like, educate yourself. Go Google it. It's not my job to do the emotional labor

of instructing you. That's what they say. All right, here we go. Hacker Man says to Lauren, are you still legally a man? In Ontario, some people's gender changes with the day or weather mine's location based really cool so yeah i'm i actually like i have the identification that says male i had to get legal i had to get diagnosed by a doctor as a male first and then go to like the canadian version of dmb to get it officiated

diagnosed as a male what a term that happened to most of us much earlier in life. As soon as I was born, got that diagnosis. Alright, let's see what we got here. Chris, what does it say? Chris Stoking says, Chris Stoking says, as a poll, I hope NATO puts troops in Ukraine for defense. Russia needs the government reform, not Ukraine. Interesting.

I was wondering what people in Poland think. It's been amazing. Poland and Hungary have taken in mass amounts of refugees, and they've done a lot of support for the Ukrainian people, and they've always been portrayed as like, oh, you guys hate refugees. You don't support anyone. They've completely opened their borders for these Ukrainian refugees.

It's specifically because they're culturally similar. Right, and is that a bad thing? I don't think that's bad. And they speak basically the same language. So it has nothing to do with them being anti-refugee or anything. It's completely about, yeah, just people that are going to be able to assimilate to their culture. Well, I don't want to point out any particular person, but someone that doesn't identify with the culture, Christianity, things like that. I understand that now.

Jeffrey Faulkner says, Facebook is having trouble tonight. Possible cyber attack? It could be. I mean, to be honest, you wouldn't know. You would not know. We were having internet issues, and every so often you'll see major internet outages. And what you all need to understand is that if, say, China were to hit the U.S. internet for five minutes a day, every day for two years, that adds up in economic damage. And if they're trying to grow their economy faster than ours,

it adds up. Oh, wow. Traffic siege warfare. That's right. So look, if we're... Imagine the Cold War. The US and Russia are trying to gain territory. Imagine it was digital, and you could stop them in their tracks by activating code. Why wouldn't you?

So you don't need to destroy their infrastructure overnight. You just need to stagger their growth enough so that you can become a lot bigger and then absorb them and shut them down. So this is an interesting thing I've observed. When I speak to military friends of mine, they tell me how valuable technology that has no computers in it is, like having a car that has

no computer in it. And even just so like I had a few friends, they drove into a river and the water started coming up and they luckily had roll down windows instead of electric windows and saved their asses and a lot of countries when you have like warfare going on you want that stuff that's not going to fail you want stuff that you can't like boom short circuit the computer like take it over so having older technology can actually be like the way to get around that a lot of troops would use like systems to place everyone, but now they're having to

go back and learn navigation so that their stuff can't be hacked and tracked where the troops are. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's fascinating. All right. Remy says a site called Nuke Map has an overlay where you can pick a location and select any nuke dropped or tested to see the fireball radius, blast radius, radiation, etc. Yes, you know, radiation is intentional.

They make nukes that have no radiation. That's on purpose. They want people to suffer. That's nice. That's brutal. Nuke map. Yeah, man. It's not good.

The best, if you're in the blast radius or you're in like the radius, you're probably better off in the blast radius than the radiation radius. This one's calculating. I went to nukeradzone.org slash nukemap. It says nuke downtown Manhattan. It doesn't go from river to river, the blast zone. Well, which nuke have you chosen? It chose for me.

Yeah, pick like Sarbama. Perhaps I spoke too soon. It's too complicated for me right now. Oh, see, there you go. Nukemap. Nukemap, eh? Cool idea. Jeff Depkin says, Churchill and Coventry, due to the Allies cracking the

Enigma machine, they knew Coventry would be bombed. Churchill did nothing to avoid giving away the fact that they had cracked the code. Hmm. Man. David Miller says, I don't know, know Tim but I remember when he was in

NY at at that shooting and that shooting and that shooting when he was in New York and that shooting near your apartment was that the one

in my apartment I was like sitting in my boxers playing Destiny the video game the space fantasy one I had a dude shot in my apartment

in New York too it wasn't in my apartment a helicopter it was downstairs right over my house my apartment I was like what I looked outside and I got a text and they were like, are you near the shooting?

I was like, what? And then I look and I see cops everywhere and the streetlights are shut off and two cops got executed. I got home and there was a police tape around my apartment. They're like, dude, the dude downstairs got shot from a drug deal gone wrong and they wouldn't let me inside New York City. All right. Doreen DeLenardo says Gary Null

is suing Wikipedia reach out to him and join his effort have him on as a guest PS we love your show Tim hey appreciate it oh look him up Gary

all right Gary let's hang out seriously JK says did you see the Lex Friedman Zuckerberg interview it was the creepiest creepy that ever creeped

so interesting I heard that he failed the Turing test oh did he I'm kidding it It was two AI going crazy together. I loved it. I saw about 40 minutes or 30 minutes of it so far, and it seems like Mark, one of the things that he said that was

notable. Two things. One thing he said, he's obsessed and wants creative commerce. It's a big part of the future of the metaverse is creative commerce. Mark, what you need to know is that child slavery is also a form of creative commerce. Kids are being rocked on Roblox right now, getting 17% there about of the money that Roblox has taken in from the games they make. That's creative commerce. So you got to watch out. Second is he finally, Mark now understands he used to think everyone

should have one identity on the internet. And now he's looking at people should have masses of anonymous identities as well, which I think is a huge breakthrough for the mindset of the guy that's running Facebook right now. Kosh Neronek says, come on, Tim. I want to hear you say big chungus. Well, there you go. What did you just say? We have a really good idea, Seamus. We have a really good idea. Oh, yeah?

We want to make a show called Mall Store, a new YouTube channel. And the idea is, we were at the mall and they had this crappy arcade that was half broken. And I was like, we should at the mall and that was like crappy arcade that was like half broken and i was like we should open a mall store and do weird things with it and so the idea is we would run out of space it would be called mall store dude but then what we do is like once a week we change the the advertisement oh my goodness so we had one i my brother's idea was to put a laundromat in the middle of a mall because then you have to like come with your

dirty laundry into a shopping mall and like walk into a mall you just like weird things like that dude we should have one and call it aquarium and just put a bunch of dogs with snorkels inside of tanks of water and just see if if anyone's willing to say anything you just have a bunch of people in there pretending yeah exactly have people there like pretending that they are acknowledging it's an aquarium like you you hire people to be like whoa look at look at the fish, and see how many people are willing to say something. This is a level of rich that I can't comprehend. It's not that expensive. It's like you could rent a mall

store for like a hundred bucks. Or like a thousand bucks a month. They've gone too far. Science has gone too far. The mind of man. Did you hear about that guy who created Hampshire? Like Rapture from Bioshock but with hamsters under a lake?

Under a lake? He started building it in little tanks and stuff. His idea was he was going to build it under a lake. I can certainly understand that Seamus talking about getting a bunch of underwater dogs with snorkels in tanks is very expensive. It's not that. You just go to a rescue

shelter and borrow some. I was thinking... No, it's not that. You just go to a rescue shelter and borrow some. I was thinking it would be fun to... Find homes for them. We could do kind of like social experiments. One idea... That doesn't sound fun. One idea I had was to put up

a Sunset Free wallet and it's an empty mall with lights, cameras in the corners and there's a wallet sitting on a pedestal right in the middle of the room with like a guy's ID in it

and like credit cards and money just to see what people would do. Something like that. Yeah, like what's the catch? I think it's brilliant. No, I think that's a great idea. Oh my gosh. So wait, how often would it be in a store there?

The idea is we would do a video once a week where we do some kind of social experiment in mall stores. Okay. So every week the name of the store changes. That's brilliant. Like one of the ideas we had was a store called Ian's Things. And it's just like Ian's stuff and like pictures of Ian. Oh, my gosh. Like imagine posters in the windows of Ian modeling his own clothes.

Like this shirt. Right. He was like 20 years old. My dad gave it to me. It's like extra large. And Ian is just at the cash register like haggling with people over the prices of things. He's like, I'll give you, I guess, like 15 bucks for that. Like Craigslist in real life.

I'm Craig now. One of the other ideas was to take mandates to the absurd degree. So like you've got to get swabbed. You've got to get tested. You have to wear a full hazmat suit, but we sell things really, really cheap. So we would do like at-cost iPhones, but you've got to come in in a full hazmat suit. It's a mandate. We're a private business.

We can do what we want and see how many people are willing to jump through the hoops to get it. Should I have a used mask store? Like used COVID masks? Be like, no. I mean it's for the science. The science says it works. They're cheaper. That would be in Japan.

When I was in Japan, they had used girls' panties. Oh, that's insane. You could put like vending machines. Yeah. What? And they'd have pictures of the girls that used the panties on it. Like anybody? Like 14-year-olds?

Man-made wars beyond our comprehension. So can we talk about this later tonight? You don't know about Japan, dude? We're doing an after show. All right, all right, all right. That's what we should talk about. All right, everybody. All right, everybody.

Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show if you like it. Go to TimCast.com because we're going to carry the conversation over to the members-only section where Ian has some

very interesting questions, I guess. Goodness. Yeah. But we were going to talk about the refugee processing at the border because some of these countries are just banning black people from coming in. But what they're really saying is it's for the local population, not for migrants. So we will talk about that. It will be interesting.

Again, go to TimCast.com. Become a member. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. Basically everywhere you can follow me at TimCast. Lauren, do you have anything to shout out? Yeah. I mean, check my socials, at Lauren underscore Southern on Twitter,

Lauren Southern on YouTube. I'll be announcing my new film, American Mirage, soon. It'll hopefully be on Odyssey, YouTube, all that good stuff. And thank you for having me on. It's been too long. It's been years since we've seen each other.

It's wild. Congratulations on everything you've done. Oh, thank you. Incredible. You haven't gotten the full tour yet. I'm excited. Dude, you came in another. Congratulations on everything you've done. Oh, thank you. Incredible. You haven't even, you haven't gotten the full tour yet. I'm excited. All right. You came from carrying that GoPro on the ground everywhere.

Truly like made it from the bottom to the top. Well, here we go. We got a lot more to do. I'm Seamus Coghlan. I'm here to promote my upcoming show, Mall Store. We're going to be opening our, a used grocery store for lightly used and refurbished groceries.

That's a good idea. Let's do it. Now I have a, I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. That's a good idea. Let's do it. Now, I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. We upload a new cartoon every single Thursday, sometimes on Tuesdays as well. I also like to hang out here, do commentary, join the podcast, and help with the vlog.

So I highly recommend you guys check out Freedom Tunes. I think you'll enjoy it, and I hope you all have a lovely rest of your night. I love you, everyone. Thanks for coming. Lauren, great to meet you, and see you finally. It's a pleasure. I hope you didn't cast any spells on me. No, no. I'll let you know when I'm doing it, though. It's more about free energy.

I'm a light Jedi in that way. They use flame instead of electric current. See you later. And I've got to fix my camera. I don't know if you guys know, but I can't do this unless it's visible to me. So here's the wide shot. Can't you just press a preset? Is that the wide shot?

That's it. It's the wide shot right there. Looking at us. Doesn't it feel like an invasion of your privacy? Yeah, when I'm moving around, I know. Oh, your back. Yeah, does it hit your back? Lydia can see everything you're saying about her

from that camera. I was only texting about Lydia the whole time. I know, understandable. Seamus, I was going to say there, I have actually been to stores where you can buy slightly used groceries that are maybe expired or beat up or something. Expired is not used. Expired is not used.

I can tell you some stories about stuff in Chicago, man. Yeah. Same idea in Colorado. It's gross. I never saw any of that. Yeah. So I'm sorry to take the wind out of your sails. I think that sounds like a great show.

Anyway, you guys, thank you so much for tuning in for our third swatting. I think we get like a prize once we hit five or something. A free yogurt. Yeah, like a free yogurt. Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sarah Padulas. We will see all of you at TimCast.com around 11 for that member segment. You don't want to miss it. Thanks for hanging out and we'll see you all there.