Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #486 - Netflix Hit With FOUR Felony Indictments Over 'Cuties' w/Libby Emmons & Kellie Keen

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join commentator and women's rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen along with editor-in-chief of the Post Millennial Libby Emmons to discuss the charges being brought against Netflix ove...r Cuties, JK Rowling's Twitter spat with Vaush, the Trans Ukrainians trying to flee the country as pressure escalates from Russia, whether birth control taints the water supply, the Don't Say Gay bill in Florida, and Estonian's demands for a no-fly zone. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Netflix has been hit with four felony indictments over the film Cuties because that film depicts children, prebubescent girls, in lewd adult activities. And the strange thing is, and I suppose it's not strange to most of us, but one thing that's happening is that the establishment left and many left activists have been and are still outright defending this film as if it should exist because they say it's a critique the strange thing is you can critique something without actually doing it imagine someone doing drug and saying don't look at me i'm just critiquing heroin that doesn't quite make sense but where it gets interesting is that these felony indictments come from a grand jury meaning a district attorney showed the film to people and asked them if it thought it was a crime and
Starting point is 00:00:45 these people said yes and now netflix is facing for felony indictment so i think that's interesting as to what the media tells us versus what regular people think so we're going to talk about that we got obviously a bunch of stories about what's going on in ukraine but sometimes the war talk is just we get it there's a war and it's all everyone's talking about but we will the view earlier today i think it was earlier today called for effectively called for the arrest of tulsi gabbard and tucker carlson for pushing russian propaganda that's how insane everything's gotten so we'll be talking about all of that and we have uh two guests joining us today first we have kelly j do you want to introduce yourself hi i'm kelly j uh i am a women's rights campaigner from the UK.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Right on. Is there anything people would have known you from or anything you focus on specifically? Yeah, I focus on the word woman specifically to keep it for women. I got a billboard taken down in the UK in 2018 that had the dictionary definition of the word woman. Which is? It was removed for an adult human female. Who knew? And it got removed for hate speech. What? Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Okay. Well, so we have a lot to talk about. Interestingly, we have a couple stories out of Ukraine where one story is about a trans woman who is not allowed to leave because a trans woman is male and men aren't allowed to leave because a trans woman is male and men aren't allowed to leave the country. I know YouTube's going to hate the language, but I'm
Starting point is 00:02:08 just trying to describe it. And the other story is a trans man who put on feminine clothing to be able to escape the country. So it's an interesting... So we'll get into all that stuff. And then obviously, it'll lead us into a lot of what's happening with Ukraine. But we also have Libby Emmons hanging out. Hey, glad to be here. I'm Libby Emmons. I'm the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial. Glad to be back, everybody. Right on. What's up, everybody? Ian Crossland over here from iancrossland.net. I'm actually working on my Brave browser right now and setting up my Brave search engine. If you haven't
Starting point is 00:02:36 done that yet, you can flip over away from Google or DuckDuckGo and set up your Brave search engine. It's in beta. I actually use that all the time. I use Brave. Yes. Do you use the browser and the search engine? Yeah. Good. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:02:50 And I am also here in the corner pushing buttons. I'm wearing one of Kelly's shirts. I don't know if you guys can see it. It has the dictionary definition of the word woman, which is highly unpolitically correct. So I'm looking forward to wearing it in public and seeing what happens. When did Daylight Savings Time happen? Was that yesterday? Sunday.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Sunday. I'm wondering if there's a lot of people in the chat who missed that. I think it was last Sunday. No, it was yesterday. It was yesterday? Yeah, it was yesterday. No, it was not. People think that it's 7 o'clock still. Someone was like, why are they starting early?
Starting point is 00:03:16 We're so early. And I'm like, it looks like some people, yeah. It's the dawn of time. Yeah, it was yesterday. Everyone's like, how did you arrive? Men have been confused. By Daylight Savings. Yes, true. I think it's like, men have been confused. All right. By daylight savings. Yes, true.
Starting point is 00:03:26 I think it's so dumb. You just wake up an hour early, I guess, but whatever. It's brighter out and it's eight for whatever. Yeah. Don't forget to go to timcast.com,
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Starting point is 00:03:42 members-only podcasts from this show. We're going to have a members-only version of the show up at 11 or so p.m. I imagine there's a lot of topics that are really sensitive that we're not going to be able to talk about, but there's going to be, I think, we'll just put it mildly, tonight's members only show might get very, it would piss off the censors. I'll put it mildly. So check out timcast.com. But let's talk about this first story about Netflix. This is what I find to be absolutely fascinating.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Netflix takes on Texas. Attorneys analyze the outlandish fight over cuties. The Hollywood Reporter is basically, they're talking about a story in which this month there was supposed to be a hearing in Texas. Netflix was to face a criminal charge for, I think it was like child lewd behavior or something. There was a federal ruling that overturned the statute from Texas about children and lewd activities or lewd behavior. So the DA, who strangely enough, as the story goes, played the character Spider in the film School of Rock. His name is Lucas Babin, brought the case, brought the film School of Rock, his name is Lucas Babin, brought
Starting point is 00:04:45 the case, brought the film Cuties to a grand jury and asked them if it depicted children in child adult films, to put it mildly. And a grand jury returned four felony indictments. So now what's happening is we're seeing with this Hollywood Reporter story, they're bringing in these lawyers who are like, oh, it's a First Amendment thing. You know, they're obviously critiquing the sexualization of children. And we're now in this strange world where when a DA brings the film before a bunch of regular people and says, was a crime committed? They say yes.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Yet the establishment media, the left, as you would call it, is defending a film in which they took four young girls. I don't care if you think it's their actors or actresses or whatever, actually taught these little girls to do these dance moves, had them do it in an extended scene that was like three minutes long, have scenes where there's clearly adults grooming these children, and then said, but it's a critique. It's fine. So this is the – if I can broaden the conversation a little bit outside of this, clearly we live in completely different realities with whatever the establishment in the left is from regular people to – I'm kind of thinking of George Carlin's obscenity, push against obscenity. I understand. Morally, I felt like that movie was a little too sexualized. I think you made the example earlier. It's like in order to explain something,
Starting point is 00:06:05 you don't have to show it necessarily, like something really vile. You don't want to put it in front of people to prove that you're doing it. When Shakespeare wrote plays, all the violence happened offstage. You don't need to see it to know what happened. That's a great point.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Yeah. I mean, those little girls actually doing those scenes in front of a whole, I would imagine, mostly male, adult male crew. It's just gross. I mean, what were the parents or anyone thinking? Well, so I think there's one part of this story that easily proves they know they're doing something wrong. In the Hollywood Reporter, they say, Conservative circles have rallied behind criticism of the movie for sexualizing and exploiting children.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Babin's father, Texas Congressman Brian Babin, U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, and a group of more than 30 House Republicans have called on the DOJ to prosecute Netflix. This and other calls by conservatives to investigate the making of the movie prompted Netflix to apologize for inappropriately sexualizing actresses in marketing materials. The marketing materials were clips from the movie. Yeah, they were pretty nasty. And the issue is that it's not a critique because they actually did it.
Starting point is 00:07:08 They actually did these things with little girls. As Kelly J was saying, in front of an audience of crew, they paid them for it. They paid the children to do these things. There was a lot of incentive to do a good job and please the people who were asking them to do it. I brought up Carlin because he,
Starting point is 00:07:29 in order to show the obscene thing that he wanted to make more publicly agreeable, he would just do it. He would say it. He would say the words that were horrendous at the time. And this is kind of like, so the metaphor is like the child sexuality is the dirty words of the 70s.
Starting point is 00:07:44 It would be different if it was an animation. It would be different if it was an animation. It would be different if it was. Yeah, I guess. Which is also disgusting and weird. It would be different if it was adults playing children. There's a line you can't cross. Or they could just like, the kids could have come out on the stage and then it could have showed the people's faces. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And then not actually put these little girls in that situation carlin got arrested for saying the words but he did it anyway he was like i'm just gonna but he was saying words he wasn't and he's an adult depicting the abuse of children which is different right and even if you say things like if you if he had said out loud what was being done you know what these girls were doing and being made to do. If you say it out loud, that's also different than actually doing it. So what makes it, I think, more similar to a pornographic situation is that just like in adult films, the acts are actually performed. What would be crazy is if it was about child murder and the movie was all about showing kids getting killed, there wouldn't be any emotional backlash like there is about child murder and the movie was all about showing kids getting killed,
Starting point is 00:08:47 there wouldn't be any emotional backlash like there is about child sex. It's a big difference. Would the children actually be killed? No, it would all be acting. Just like this is all acting. No, no, no, no, no. But it's not acting once you're doing the actual thing.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Right, so like... I mean, even if you're acting like you're doing the thing, you're actually still doing the thing. It's the real bodies. Yeah, and it's like, if that was a snuff film, if you're talking about a snuff film,
Starting point is 00:09:09 there would be a lot of backlash of that. Well, I mean, I wouldn't call it backlash. I would say like pitchforks and arrests and DOJ investigations. It would be illegal. It would definitely be illegal to do. Did you guys see Cuties?
Starting point is 00:09:21 I haven't seen it. I wouldn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I've seen some of the bits. Yeah, so the issue Did you guys see Cuties? I haven't seen it. I wouldn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I – You've seen some of the bits. Yeah. So the issue for me was I watched enough of it to where I said I'm not interested in watching this film. And yeah, I'll put it that way. I did not watch the film as if to say, like, I sat through the whole thing,
Starting point is 00:09:45 but I watched the relevant bits to a certain degree and was just like, this needs to be turned off. It's disturbing. Dude, they got a kid that looks like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The main 12-year-old actor looks like a sexualized Cortez. It's insane. Talk about clown world. Sure, but that's like a French film.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah, what a weird coincidence. I'm not sure. Yeah, so Cuties is the reason that I canceled my Netflix subscription. I was like, this is unacceptable. Sorry, I'm just not having it. I don't feel like giving money to a company that thinks that this is tolerable. I was more angry when they pulled Star Trek, the original series. Imagine it this way, Ian.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Imagine they made it. Let's make a film critiquing children doing drugs and we'll literally give kids crack and film it. Like a reality a film critiquing children doing drugs and will literally give kids crack and film it and then be like a reality show that's the issue
Starting point is 00:10:30 it's more like that I think than what Carlin was doing but is it was it a reality I didn't see the movie was it a reality show it wasn't
Starting point is 00:10:37 it was fake it was all it was fake but I mean what do you mean like the movie wasn't they didn't actually go into a club
Starting point is 00:10:42 and get 12 year olds dancing they had to audition and they probably had to into a club and get 12-year-olds dancing. No, no, no. They had to audition and they probably had to sign a contract and their parents had to agree to this grooming behavior. So they had to, whatever they were doing,
Starting point is 00:10:54 acting or not, it was a sexualized performance. So it doesn't really matter whether they were acting. They were still actually doing it with their real bodies. So the funny thing is, the response from a lot of these people on the left
Starting point is 00:11:06 is that the final scene in question where the little 11-year-old girls or whatever are doing the sex dancing is that the audience is disgusted by it. And I'm like, but you all literally watched it too. And they actually had these little girls do that. So what?
Starting point is 00:11:23 Show someone being grossed out by it and all of a sudden you're allowed to do it? That doesn't make sense to me. If you're criticizing it, you wouldn't do it, right? Also, when we do, when we have like TV shows or stuff like that in the US,
Starting point is 00:11:33 usually adults do it. Like 90210, which is the first thing I could think of. All those actors were in their 20s. Right. And they were like having sex and doing whatever. They weren't actually havings right and they were like having sex and doing whatever they weren't actually having sex but they had like all the makeout scenes and stuff
Starting point is 00:11:48 but everyone was in their 20s the same with like you know Riverdale or any of those shows they're all in their 20s what about super bad I brought this up when I was talking about this earlier today there's a so uh Christopher Mintz Plass I think was like 16 when they filmed the movie and there's a scene where he's having sex with some woman or whatever and apparently his parents had to be there and sign off on it. I'm wondering you know, this is a 16 year old. We know high school kids
Starting point is 00:12:14 are doing things but is it still, does that make it better at all? Because I'm actually wondering I'm wondering, yeah. As you're saying that I'm sort of I'm wondering about that as well. I mean I still thought it was messed up. Realistically a 16 year old boy and an 11 year old girl are. I still thought it was messed up. Realistically, a 16-year-old boy and an 11-year-old girl are worlds of different when it comes to sexuality. That's true, too.
Starting point is 00:12:29 One has gone through puberty and is still doing it, and the other one is... Still is exploitative, though. Filming a 16-year-old boy... That's certainly not... I would never sign off on that for my kid. If I had been a 16-year-old boy, I would have launched at that opportunity, though. Would your parents have gone for it?
Starting point is 00:12:46 Yeah, they supported one of my choices. My parents did not do that. I honestly feel like this, along with the whole Florida controversy over Don't Say Gay, it really does feel like... It's not in the bill. Right, it's not. But their perception of it or what their critique is, you look at Superbad. There's a scene where a 16-year-old kid is hooking up and it's in the movie.
Starting point is 00:13:09 It's not like graphic or anything, but it's clearly a scene acted out by this kid. And they want you to be like, ah, they're 16-year-olds. We know high school kids are doing stuff. Then you end up with shows like Big Mouth, which is like 12 – what is the show? Like 12 and 13-year-olds? Yeah. That show is messed up. It's a cartoon though.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Everyone's like, oh, but it's Nick Kroll. It's like famous actors pretending to be kids and it's just cartoons. And I'm like, it's still weird. Do you guys know the show Big Mouth? I don't know it. You've got to watch it. Really? Should I write this down?
Starting point is 00:13:36 Yeah. Yeah. It's the most overly sexualized cartoon I've ever seen. Of children. Yeah. I'm not. Oh my God. And you're saying I have to watch it.
Starting point is 00:13:43 It's like. It's like. It's gruesome. You might get sick to your stomach. And then he's got like a little sex demon on his shoulder that tells him to have sex. No, it's not little. It's a massive. It's just crazy. It's like six feet tall.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Yeah, I won't watch it. I think sex demons would be large. They'd be like, I'm overbearing. I'm taking over. Netflix got critiqued, criticized. Critiqued is probably the wrong word for it. Because there's an episode where it shows two little girls walking around
Starting point is 00:14:08 naked and it shows a whole bunch of naked women and they said, no, no, no. We're trying to tell little girls to be okay with their bodies. That's why we're showing it. And people said, look, dude, it's a cartoon. There were no actual children here. Then what happens? You end up with movies like Cuties where it's like, now you have actual
Starting point is 00:14:24 little girls doing it, But oh, come on. It's a critique just like – and I'm just like, yo, why don't you guys like stop? Well, it's interesting too because this stuff is coming up in books too that are now available in schools. There's this whole controversy with this book, Gender Queer, by a person called Maya Kowabe, I think. I don't know how to say her name exactly right. But this book has been talked about by parents all over the U.S., that this book has child pornography in it and that it has depictions of all these crazy things. So I bought the book because I had been writing about it
Starting point is 00:15:03 and I was like, I should really take a look at this book myself. And it is rather disturbing, not just for the reasons that the moms that I know were complaining about it, but also for this journey of this young girl who comes to realize, comes to decide that she's not a girl at all, that she has like these other pronouns that are like, they start with E's. E-M-E-R. Yeah, that's it em ear and so the book eventually is the story of this person who grows up to be a comic book artist who's 25 has never had sex has no interest in sex is binding um is binding their breasts and is teaching middle school and planning to come out to the middle schoolers as an asexual AIM heir.
Starting point is 00:15:50 And this is all like very affirmed and it's all very, you know, couched in this language of hyper positivity. The main character in this book hates their body, is terrified of going to the gynecologist, which if you're a woman, like you got to show up at the gynecologist at a certain point at least a bunch of times in your life to make sure that you're not dying from a whole bunch of reproductive issues
Starting point is 00:16:14 that can kill you. So this person is terrified of that, terrified of being touched, all of this stuff, and it's in the language of joy and spectacularness. Look, I can understand adults who want to live however they want to live. Someone's over 18 and they decide they want to juggle oranges all day or dress up like a giant duck. I'm going to be like, literally, I don't care what you do, man. You can go mind your own business.
Starting point is 00:16:42 But it's the obsession with children that I find, you know, disconcerting. Yeah, like why do you need your middle school teacher to come out to you and tell you that they hate their body and, you know, all of this stuff. People actually do come out to really small children in this fashion. But there is an overwhelming surge to break the frontier and boundaries of kids just totally erode all safeguarding not allow them to use words that are literal and mean something um and the sexualization of kids whether it's cuties whether it's this cartoon but it's like it's as if you're doing something remarkable if you're
Starting point is 00:17:23 trying to enforce this onto kids it's so messed up it's um yeah it's almost if you're doing something remarkable if you're trying to enforce this onto kids. It's so messed up. Yeah, it's almost like we've destroyed our culture to the point where there's no way for children to gauge when they're adults. So we just have to decide that they're adults from the very beginning and can understand this stuff. So kids are learning about gender identity before they know what sex is? Why? Well, I don't think it needs to be asked, but to the left, you know, my question is to the left in general, why they think there's an age of consent. Now, the issue is, I honestly think the left is opposed to that idea of an age of consent. I think many of these people are just,
Starting point is 00:18:05 they're just ignoring that issue for now. But I think if you were to actually get these people in private and ask them, they'd probably advocate for really, really messed up stuff. I think that's correct. And I think we've seen that, right? I think what they're doing is they're eroding our culture with things like cuties and defending it.
Starting point is 00:18:21 And I'm like, could you imagine this film being made 15, 20 years ago? Well made 15, 20 years ago? Well, 15, 20 years ago, or 20 years ago anyway, like Tipper Gore would be pissed, right? And she was the second lady or whatever, the vice president's wife, who put the explicit advisory lyrics on
Starting point is 00:18:37 my Jane's Addiction album. We see all those things on Twitter. Have you ever seen like Maps, the minor attracted person stuff? Or that's Foundation Prostasia, the Prostasia Foundation, which is all about advocating for pedophiles to be accepted in society. You have to wonder about what these people's true goals are at the end. And then you have to wonder about why people like Epstein kind of just disappear. Why Ghislaine Maxwell gets convicted, but convicted of what?
Starting point is 00:19:12 What did she do? I mean we're talking about a crime that involves two people, right? Where are her clients? Why do they all get away with it? And then it's really funny how it's just like anybody who brings that stuff up is clearly a conspiracy theorist. And they must be making things up. And I'm just like, dude, the Netflix thing is really, really fascinating because I don't think they're going to be able to walk away from this one. So apparently the feds are like, we're going to have a hearing on this in June or something or July over whether or not this stands.
Starting point is 00:19:41 But I have a feeling that the DA is going to say to the federal judge we completely agree with their critique yeah and and agree you know you shouldn't sexualize kids okay but they did it's such a shame though don't you think with netflix because they really stood up for dave chappelle they are willing to sort of allow allow supposedly controversial opinions and i i really was you know i totally back them for that i think that's brilliant but and then they do this and you're like oh come on please i don't i don't know if they actually back dave chappelle to a certain extent you know the last special that dave did was heavily focused on trans people it's like a really it's really weird yeah dave did a special
Starting point is 00:20:21 he mentioned uh he had jokes about trans people. He got attacked heavily for it, and it seemed like it consumed him. And so he ends up – Yeah. His next special ends up being this kind of like – it was very defensive. It was nearly a TED Talk, to be fair. Yeah, no, seriously. Where he was like – you know, and he was like, I guess people just don't understand the jokes, so I'm going to stop doing them. Well, it's like they got him.
Starting point is 00:20:44 What did you think of that? What did you think of the whole Chappelle thing? Well I have issues anyway because I think he's incredible for walking away from all that money and keeping his dignity and credibility all those years ago but I'm not really a great big fan
Starting point is 00:20:59 of his humour, the way that he talked about Candice Irwin's I just can't really get past that but yeah I think it's bizarre that comedians The way that you talked about Candice Irwin's, I just can't really get past that. But, yeah, I think it's bizarre that comedians, Ricky Gervais is the same, they sort of tell a joke and then explain the joke. When have you started doing that? Just tell a joke.
Starting point is 00:21:17 If it's funny, we'll laugh. And if it's not, we'll move on. But you saying, oh, this is a joke because, actually, I'm doing a bit of wordplay and I'm doing this and please don't cancel me. It's like, no, just have the bravery. You know, there's a joke. A story that is a great overlap is the story from Newsweek about J.K. Rowling and YouTuber Vosh sparring over International Women's Day. Mainly because one of the critiques against Vosh, one of the most most common ones is about his comments on young children and sexualization of them yes and so he is an interesting character in this and that he kind of embodies a lot of these critiques we're
Starting point is 00:21:55 talking about yeah so this story is you may have seen it's from it's actually from five days ago jk rowling called vosh a uh a likened him to an abusive ex-husband who used to tell me my life would be great if only i'd comply but you're making the same mistake he did women like me can't be bullied out of resistance there's a couple things i find interesting here that's worth talking about one um i don't know if you saw this but recently um what's her what's her name emma watson is that her name right oh Yeah. She said, I'm here for all the witches. Then everyone like clapped. Oh, gosh.
Starting point is 00:22:28 I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but a lot of people are assuming she was making like a trans affirming statement or something. She looked gutless when she said it, so I think she was. All the witches? Is that what she said? She said. She said all the witches. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Like, what does that mean? I'm here for all the ladies, I think. I don't know. But J.K. Rowling's an interesting subject in this, and interestingly, Vosh is as well, because we're talking about the weird grooming of children and stuff like that. Vosh has been heavily criticized for that. J.K. Rowling is an interesting story. For those that aren't familiar, I mean, this is the gist of the story. She said, someone please send the shadow minister for equality as a dictionary and a backbone.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Happy International Women's Day. And then Vosh said, women be quieter and start apologizing challenge. To which she responded with that, you're like an abusive ex-husband. He said, listen, Joanne, you don't get to play the victim card when you're the advocate for taking away women's rights here. Trans women are raped and killed in men's facilities and you want to keep them there because of your trauma quit making your feelings other people's oppression for this you know my attitude is like and i said this before this is not to be cute or hyperbolic or facetious i believe that vosh is a is a men's rights activist oh 100 yeah like saying women shut up or you know women be quiet and start apologizing I believe that Vosh is a men's rights activist. Oh, 100%. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Like saying women, shut up, or women be quiet and start apologizing. A language like that 10 years ago, they'd call them an MRA. And even socialists were called MRAs. So this is like this story and the issues around J.K. Rowling and everything that's going on. Man, I really just want to reiterate the point. There are two different realities. We know it. It includes war.
Starting point is 00:24:07 It includes law. It includes politics. It includes culture. And this is where the two realities just clash all the time. Well, it's sort of fascinating, right, because we have set up an alternate reality as a culture. We have social media and the online realm, which is an alternate reality. Do you guys remember Second Life where you could live in a virtual realm and now you have Meta, which is like Second Life Part 2 or whatever
Starting point is 00:24:31 where you can live in a virtual realm? So as we are creating this alternative reality that we all engage in every day, and if you're in media, you engage in it constantly, like I'm always on Twitter or whatever. And then there's real life. And when you talk to people in real life, they know fully that men and women are different and that biological sex is innate. And then when you talk to people online, they don't know that. So it's like this battle of which realm of reality is going to, which dimension is going to win the war of what's true. And what's interesting is when you have concepts of transgender ideology, which also is backed
Starting point is 00:25:13 by, you know, concepts of transhumanism, which is the intentional evolution of humanity with the help of technology, right? So you have this, you have Zoltan Istvan, who's a transhumanist who ran for president a few years ago. You know, he didn't have a chance a chance obviously but there he was out there uh we are grappling with this we are grappling with the question of what is real what is truth what is reality and uh you know I wonder what is going to happen it's fascinating to watch it and as our culture moves further into the realm of transhumanism, where we believe that our bodies and minds are two different entities that are at certain times apparently at war with one another, in the realm of transgender ideology
Starting point is 00:25:56 anyway, your body and mind are sort of at war. What is going to happen? It's a fascinating situation and also terrifying. Have you all seen the film Surrogates? No. It's an interesting movie. Bruce Willis. It's a future where people have these pods they lay in, and they plug in, and their consciousness is transferred to a surrogate body,
Starting point is 00:26:17 a robot version of themselves. And so you see Bruce Willis is looking all perfect, his hair is to the side or whatever. It's combed, and he can run super fast and jump super high because it's a robot body. Then he wakes up old and disheveled and wrinkled in his apartment. No one goes outside anymore because it's dangerous. You got to send your surrogate out in your stead. In the opening, there's a guy and a woman come out of a club and they're hooking up.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And then someone is able to kill them through their surrogate. So it's like a big deal. When the police go to the woman's apartment, they're like, ma'am, are you here? And they find a 400-pound morbidly obese man sitting in his chair, whatever, having died or whatever. And so I think that's an interesting concept. They did that there's something something with when people are given the choice to project themselves as whatever they want like they can on the internet as either a cartoon animal or identity less anonymous they just choose what they would what they wish they were right and i wonder
Starting point is 00:27:17 if one thing that drives identity crisis in people is living too much on the internet as opposed yeah to living in your body. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think we don't live in our bodies as much as we used to for sure. You can even tell with like so many of our trends are about trying to make your body okay. You've been sitting for too long. Maybe you should exercise.
Starting point is 00:27:38 You've been ordering in for too long. People have been bringing you food for too long. Eat this protein. So I'm wondering if you look at the metaverse. I don't know if you've seen the videos where, like, Mark Zuckerberg. They are terrifying. What the heck? But they look like me's, like from the Nintendo Switch or whatever.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Or, like, from the Wii, I guess. But they don't look like humans. I'm wondering if people will start identifying as that. Right. Because that's what you see as a person. That's who you interact with. I'm wondering if a lot of what we're seeing because the identity crisis stuff isn't just trans it's sort of everybody yeah are you familiar with other kin kelly yeah yeah yeah people who think they're
Starting point is 00:28:13 like they think they're dragons or there's that whole there's that whole like refuge in colorado of a bunch of people who think they're cats oh what and they go there for like uh cat people orgies and things i'm not not kidding. That sounds horrifying. I think all of this stuff, I think it's a transhumanist culture war. I'm hopeful. I think real human connection is actually a really powerful thing
Starting point is 00:28:36 and whilst we may trend away from it and people may shy away from it somewhat, I don't think we can escape it. I think that's... i can't live in a world in which we are heading towards not touching each other and but we're already we're already there like the 20 the 20 year olds are having less sex than ever before more like a for asexual is part of the LGBTQ alphabet soup, right?
Starting point is 00:29:05 It's all in there. Asexual is a sexual identity. There's less sex, less people want to have kids. There's less touching. There's less dating. Do you not think that we will get to a point, though, where this unpersonal chaos will just reach peak and then we will just revert back to, you know, maybe if there's a massive war.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Right? Maybe if there's a reason for all of us to run screaming into the woods. But it has to do with the internet and video games and things like that. If we keep living in digital spaces, then they'll only get worse. It could be that our species is splitting. I was watching Evolution of Humanity documentary last night.
Starting point is 00:29:45 You see the branches of trees and then the Homo erectus and then you've got the hominids that come out of that. And they appeared. You'll have Neanderthals and Homo sapiens came together, but we were different. So now we've got another race of computer zealots that are agenderless computer hominids, and then we've got everyone else that's still homo sapien. So you're saying the next stage in human evolution is bodiless conscious entities that exist in digital spaces? Maybe, but the problem with that is all through history, when a species splits, they go to war with each other,
Starting point is 00:30:16 and one of the branches will end up becoming dominant. Like X-Men. We might see that. And if they have brain neural plants and they can move machines with their minds, that's going to be hard to defeat in a war. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting, too, with Neuralink and stuff.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Like Terminator. Well, sort of. But imagine, look, it's not going to be – if you were going to break it down towards who is most likely to get Neuralink, it's going to be city, urban, liberal type. Sure. Not going to be conservatives. And that is a transhumanist thing, the Neuralink.
Starting point is 00:30:47 And so what happens then when the people who live in cities are Neuralinked, so they have direct access to the summation of human knowledge, for better or for worse, and then you're going and competing against somebody who doesn't. Like in certain areas, they're going to end up being better than you at certain tasks and certain things. There's also sort of a, I was talking to a friend of mine about this who has cerebral palsy, right? And so there's a lot of things that he can't do.
Starting point is 00:31:12 And I was slamming all this stuff, neural link and the idea that there would be these surrogates because we had talked about that, like that you could go out as somebody else and you're, and he was like, that all would be awesome for me because i can't do shit you know like and he was very like if that were happening now i would go move my random weird arm with my neural link that i can't move now and it'll be communism right you know why why if you took every single human body and put them in pods and then plug them into the matrix their limitations would be defined mathematically by the code not not by their physical bodies, which is somewhat randomized. So you could be 6'5", 200 pounds of – 280 pounds of pure muscle in your pod.
Starting point is 00:31:52 In the digital world, you are a weak – I was thinking that last night. I was at my computer and I blew my nose and threw the tissue away. I'm thinking like all this stuff I just did. I picked up the thing and I blew my nose and I took a sip and threw it. Like that was all in a computer. If I was in a computer simulation, I couldn't be able to do the variety of calculations
Starting point is 00:32:12 that I can do in this reality. There's this like limitless potential of actions that you can take in base reality. And like exactly what you were just saying, in the metaverse, you're bound by the code. You can't go chop down the thing and take a sip of the... because it isn't real. It's just the illusion of the system.
Starting point is 00:32:30 I mean, depending on how complex the system is. But when you're playing in video games online, your character... like if you're playing World of Warcraft, for instance, online video game, you can be stronger than another character, but everyone is given an equal starting point and everyone's given a relatively equal ending point
Starting point is 00:32:47 though some items are rare and harder to get you got to work harder for the most part if all you know in the real world some people are better than others extremely limiting the video games are extremely extremely limiting I imagine having children is like the most adventurous thing you could ever do
Starting point is 00:33:03 like if you want to have a mind adventure, I would imagine that that's interacting and creating a human. And then being in a relationship where you can like change your body at will in ways you didn't understand that it could be changed. Maybe the easiest way to break down what's happening is not authoritarian versus libertarian. It's not multicultural democracy and constitutional republic. It's literally transhumanist
Starting point is 00:33:26 versus... What's the word for someone who's not a transhumanist? A human. Ludites? They'll call them ludites, but that's the negative connotation. What's the other word? Like troglodytes? Humanisms. No, they would call them like base human or something.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Cishuman? Are you human plus? You're going to go to a bank and they're going to be like, and are you human plus or are you base human? Are you human plus? You're going to go to a bank and they're going to be like, and are you human plus or are you base human? I'm human plus. Would you like the premium plan? The premium plan.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Plug in your Neuralink and we'll give you the $50 gift card. So is it like homo cyberneticist? I think that will happen. I think that stuff will happen. Because we'll all just have
Starting point is 00:34:00 little RFID chips in our hands. It's going to get brain hacked and those people are all going to be tracked and in like a hive mind. Yeah, they're going to like it, dude. But they want it. They won't know they're in it. They want it.
Starting point is 00:34:11 They want to chop off their legs and have like special jumpy legs. I have total control. What are you talking about? Frog legs. Shutting down. Yeah, it'll be nuts. Have you seen Black Mirror? A couple episodes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:21 There's a really good one about all this sort of crazy, just load yourself up, or every time you walk past someone, they sort of write you. Right. Right. Well, because they can scan. Like, if you have an RFID chip now, it can be scanned, and, like, people can get the information off your chip. And then someone's going to hack it and be like,
Starting point is 00:34:39 they'll have a real low rating, but they'll make it look like they have a 4.8 out of 5. Right, it'll be like changing your report card. Mom will never know that I failed chemistry now. Think about what's happening. Think about what happened with all the vaccine mandates. Now think about what would happen if everyone's hooked up to a two-way computer connection to your own brain. The government's going to say, for everyone's good, you need to install this antivirus software in your Neuralink.
Starting point is 00:35:04 And everyone's going to go, okay. And it's going to literally start sending information into your brain. Right. It's so dangerous. And then it's going to download. You're not even going to know it's downloading. Yeah, it'll be like, man, this person needs to die.
Starting point is 00:35:16 It's going to be downloaded. Well, but that is what Elon Musk's Neuralink is all about. That's part of it. It's so that you can, you know, it's like the I'm such a dork. It's like the binars in Star Trek. You know, they have like their whole but it's like once everyone is linked by these by these neural links
Starting point is 00:35:33 there'll be a lot more information that people have but there also will be no individuality, no independence, no liberty, no freedom. Wrong analogy. You don't think it's the binars? No, it's the Borg. Oh, well, there's that too. The Binars, I guess, were like the innocent version.
Starting point is 00:35:50 It'll be like the Borg, but they're going to think. Because they did have their world computer. That's how it starts. They're going to think they're individual. The Borg at least knew they are part of the collective. These people are going to think they're individuals, but they're going to be being controlled. Kind of what's happening now with tv and and commercials and
Starting point is 00:36:05 stuff we're being manipulated without realizing it well yeah there was a recent ad there was a recent adidas ad that was all about it was like women in sports except it was all about trans women in sports you know really and yeah did it show any females it did show some but like trans women was like a big part of it. I want to push. We have this interesting segue from this conversation into Ukraine, surprisingly, but I guess in this day and age. We have a story from Business Insider. How a transgender Ukrainian man escaped Russia's invasion. I painted my nails violet and wore mom's shirt to look more girly.
Starting point is 00:36:43 We then have this story from TMZ. Transgender woman, I'm fighting two wars in Ukraine, fears Russians and transphobic Ukrainians. So this is interesting because in the story about the trans woman in Ukraine, because of the war, they announced if you are 16, was it 16 to 60 year old man, you could not leave the country. Legally in Ukraine, a trans woman is a man. Whatever your political opinion is on it, that's the view of the Ukrainian government. Right. I'm a woman and I can't leave because of this rule. Then you have this other story about a trans man.
Starting point is 00:37:31 So this person is born female, paints their nails, and wears feminine clothing to be able to escape the country. To me, it's interesting. I'm wondering, there have been a lot of men, males, who fled Ukraine as well as women and children. Just like the Titanic. Right. I mean, and I understand if someone's like, I don't want to fight in a war and they want to get out.
Starting point is 00:37:45 But this is like your country is being invaded. The interesting thing to me is I understand these are two unique individuals. We're not talking about a group here. But it is fascinating. The two stories we got out of here are about a biological male and female, a trans man and a trans woman, both trying to flee the country and not stay and fight for it. Yeah. I mean, the headline is interesting, isn't it? Fighting two wars. Actually, they're trying and fight for it. Yeah. I mean, the headline's interesting, isn't it? Fighting two wars.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Actually, they're trying to not fight any. Right. Right, exactly. Not the gender war, not any. We talked about Laia Thomas, I think is how it's pronounced. This is the biological male trans woman who's competing against females in college swimming. At UPenn, yeah. Yeah, at UPenn.
Starting point is 00:38:25 But there's also a trans man, so someone born female who got top surgery and competes against Isaac Hennig. Isaac Hennig. Yeah. So my issue is, I mean, obviously the Ukraine thing is a situation of war, life, and death. So I'm like, hey, anybody who wants to get out and is worried, we should help these people. When it comes to the college swimming thing, my question to the left, which they have no answer for and they just insult me, is, okay, so if you're saying that a trans woman is a woman and then should be allowed to compete
Starting point is 00:38:53 in the women's division because the women's division is a social construct division, right? And say, yes, okay. Well, Isaac is a man identifying as a trans man. Therefore, they shouldn't be allowed. And they say, but Isaac's not taking testosterone. Right. That's the excuse. So we're talking about biology or society? They don't know. Well, whatever suits the argument.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Well, it all flows in one direction. Like whether it's a trans man or a trans woman, they're both trying to find a way to leave the country. The trans woman says, but I'm a woman. You can't say I'm a man. The trans man says, I'm going to paint my nails and wear'm a man the trans man says i'm gonna paint my nails and wear women's clothing to try and understand is why is the person who is female but um trans as a man why do they have to do anything like if they're a female why wouldn't they just walk over the border so so the so the interesting well because the thing is if you're a female, you can have short hair.
Starting point is 00:39:46 I know this is crazy, but you can wear a suit. You could wear button-down shirts. You could wear men's shoes if you're a female, and it doesn't change anything about being female. I haven't heard that women can be gay. You can even keep your fingernails super short and unpainted, and you still are female. No, no, but I think one of the big issues in the culture war is that, you know, whatever our faction is, we assume too much about the other side's beliefs and understandings of things. I think it's fair to say that they don't think that a woman can have short hair or do these
Starting point is 00:40:18 things. Well, no. If a young girl says, I want short hair and I want to wear blue jeans, they ask the child if the child is trans. Right. Now they do. Yeah. They don't say, well, maybe you just like short hair. It's become like if you act – this is the strange thing to me about it.
Starting point is 00:40:35 Maybe I just don't understand that if you have a child who says – a little boy says, I like dolls. Then all of a sudden you have conversations about whether the child is trans when the child doesn't have an understanding of sexuality because they're pre-ubescent. Right, and they just like stuff. Right. And you don't even know why they like stuff. Like maybe they like dolls because they like the color or the texture, you know, or being able to tell stories with dolls. Stick it in their trucks, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Sure, stick it in their trucks, you know, whatever it is. But we don't ask children what it is that they like. Yeah, sometimes the joints of the doll or what makes the doll cool doesn't have to do with if it has blonde hair or is a girl. I had one where you press the button on the back and she winked at you. It was Western Barbie. Matt Walsh brought this up
Starting point is 00:41:16 after the Dr. Phil thing he did. He said if a little boy or his son came to him and said that he thought he was a girl, he said we'd ask him why. And often you'll hear him say things like, I want to play with dolls. And he was like, but boys can play with dolls too. It's funny because hearing Matt talk about stuff like that, that's like – that used to be progressive. That was the original – that was like much the feminist perspective, right?
Starting point is 00:41:39 If you're a woman, you can dress and behave however you want. You can dress the way men stereotypically dress. You can dress the way men stereotypically dress. You can behave the way men stereotypically behave. You can do any of that, right? You can sleep around. You can do whatever. It's fine. And now we've switched all that up.
Starting point is 00:41:56 We have taken the gender stereotypes and embedded them further. Yeah, it seems like the modern progressive left's worldview is that there are social behaviors intrinsic to sex. It's so bizarre. Yeah, I'm just confused by it. I don't understand. There was a case discussed on the BBC, and a little boy lived with his mom, and she had two towels after she had a shower for her hair and her body. And one day he said, I'd like two towels. And she said, you don't need two towels after she had a shower for her hair and her body and one day he said i'd like two towels and she said you don't need two towels so he said but i'm a girl and so she went to bed
Starting point is 00:42:32 that night and thought deeply about him being a girl not that he just wanted two damn towels um and then he started on his road to transition at like seven, socially transition. That is a mess. It's just so weird. My son uses like four towels. I don't know what he uses like four. I come into the bathroom. I'm like, you really needed all these towels?
Starting point is 00:42:54 Why did she say he didn't need two towels, though? He has hair, right? I have no idea. This is her very brave journey about discovering that her son was really a girl. And so I think she thought that was a good thing to say. I think the question is, you know, what about this child saying that they were a girl is like confirmation of a trans identity. I mean, obviously. For her.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Right. So, like, what makes you think, from saying I want two towels to saying that you're a girl, makes the leap to their biology is wrong and they need medication or some kind of surgical treatment, right? I mean, I'm assuming that she went to the doctor, though, right? For me, if we assume she hasn't got something like Munchausen's by proxy,
Starting point is 00:43:44 there is a lot of social status for average people to gain by doing this brave and super wonderful mother and it is women unfortunately it's women that that go along with this narrative with their kids it's not so much dads well it's sort of a feminist fascism. Yeah. So, you know, where we have taken the ideas of feminism and we now impose them by force. I don't, I don't, I don't think words,
Starting point is 00:44:14 I think this is probably intentional, but words have almost no meaning at this point. That's correct. What does feminism even mean? That was intentional. We were actually, before we went on tonight, Kelly and I were looking at the definition of gender and gender identity on like Wex Law, I think at Cornell.
Starting point is 00:44:28 And they're the same. They basically have the same definition. Which gender identity? Gender and gender identity are all about like your perceived self and your innate internal self. Yeah. Which isn't anything. Like, it's just absurd. We've taken and we gaze
Starting point is 00:44:46 in so deeply that we think we see something, and it's not. I just try to avoid all of that social argument stuff by just saying sex. Well, that works out. So I'll say, like, male and female instead of men and women, and then I'm just like, there you go, fine, whatever. It still doesn't work with Canadian hate speech laws. Really?
Starting point is 00:45:02 But we're in this really bizarre sort of idea that our bodies are not connected to who we are. I mean, I am my body. If I was taller, I'm sure I'd be slightly different. If I was a lot shorter, I mean, I don't know if that's possible, but if I was a lot shorter, I'd be a completely different person. Of course, if I was a man walking around in the world with A, testosterone,
Starting point is 00:45:28 and B, being a man and being treated like a man, there's a transaction between me and the society in which I live, and we both kind of find out what and who I am. It's not just up to me, and it's not just up to them. And it's bizarre that we're deciding that gender is separate from, that your internal sense of self is a social construct, is the most stupid idea, and it doesn't make any sense. You know, I was just thinking about someone in prison,
Starting point is 00:45:58 maybe how, because people are adaptable, and their sense of what I am, like in prison, they're like, what do you even think I am? What are you are you who are you and then they beat the hell and like when people are getting like sexually assaulted in prison and like over and over and over and over again by some big guy and it's a guy and he's like i'm not gay but i have to create a new reality for who i am in this situation and so they create like a new gender almost to exist within that without being insane. So I understand that that's happening to people. I think it's, honestly, if you zoom out, I think it's happening because like there's
Starting point is 00:46:37 so many people on earth misproportioned in cities and all these phenol phthalates in the water and pharmaceuticals making people androgynous and making people kind of... Isn't that like a conspiracy theory? I don't know. It just seems logical. Isn't that true, though, that birth control is in public drinking water? I have heard of that.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Yeah. Pharmaceuticals go into the toilet in the pee when people pee them out after they eat their Prozac, and then that gets in the water supply. People are all really, really messed up, and it might just be a process of the human race kind of shedding its skin. Look at that. Yeah, it's a... That's a fact, yep. So we got this story from Insider.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Birth control pills could add 10 million doses of hormones to our wastewater every day. Some of that estrogen may wind up in our taps. Yeah, this is a story I heard about a while back. Hormones from birth control pills can travel through showers, toilets, and washing machines to local wastewater facilities. In his book, Troubled Water, activist Seth Siegel writes that birth control pills add more than 10 million doses of synthetic estrogen to U.S. wastewater every day. From there, the hormones could get discharged into rivers and lakes that serve as sources
Starting point is 00:47:41 of drinking water. Only a tiny portion of the estrogen in wastewater makes its way to U.S. taps, but Siegel still thinks we should remove it. So I think maybe it's a bit exaggerated as if you're like turning the tap water on and there's going to be birth control in it. It looks like it could be an issue. We all also, aren't we having a fertility crisis? We are.
Starting point is 00:47:59 What is that all about? Like there's, we just aren't having enough kids. Does it mean that people aren't trying enough or that it's people aren't getting enough? There's a lot of trying and there's a lot of not having children. Is that because they're late? Too late? What? There's that.
Starting point is 00:48:12 There's like being older and then there's being older is one of the things. But there's also been issues of fertility. Like I don't have enough information. There's so much junk in the food supply. High fructose corn syrup, aspartame. We have birth control. You have how many oxycodone? How many of these pharmaceuticals that are legal are getting pissed into the water supply? That's kind of crazy. What are your guys' thoughts on birth control? I have lots of thoughts on birth control. You want to hear them?
Starting point is 00:48:38 Yes. So I went on birth control when I was 16. My doctor said that I had polycystic ovarian syndrome and that I should go on birth control to regulate my cycle. So I did. I did go on birth control. And then I was on it for a very long time. I was on it until I was 32, 32, 33, something like that. And then I went off it because I wanted to have a child. And I had, for that whole period of time, I thought I was depressed. I thought I was maladjusted.
Starting point is 00:49:10 I thought I was awkward. I thought I like was socially weird. I thought all of these things about myself that I was like morose, miserable. And then I went off birth control and it literally felt like a damn broke in my entire body and in my brain also where it was like suddenly I could see everything in color and I just felt like an entirely different person and I suddenly really was more outgoing I liked being around people more I wasn't really depressed I mean I was still miserable because I'm still me but I wasn't really depressed. I mean, I was still miserable because I'm still me, but I wasn't like depressed about everything. It was shocking. It was so shocking
Starting point is 00:49:49 that I had to go back on it within a month and I had to like wait a little bit to go off it. Slowly come off. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:55 Well, there's... And then it turned out that I didn't have polycystic ovarian syndrome. I wasn't infertile. Oh my gosh. There was no reason for me to be on the pill
Starting point is 00:50:03 that entire time. And I had suffered from like... For a while, I was on this pill where if i went into the sun i would pass out right and i was in la i was like this is not working there's there's there's two i do not recommend birth control there's two big issues one is the feminist view that birth control has empowered women because now they're free to function you know without fear of which could potentially hold them back or whatever. But then there's also the fact that our society has mass-medicated young women. That's correct. And I'm wondering, have we tracked for the psychological impacts of mass-medicating young women? Well, I've gone through, I've done a little study of other essentially upper middle class girls in my age group,
Starting point is 00:50:45 all of us were put on birth control when we were about 16. Like every one of us. And I was like, did you have a reason? Well, my doctor said my periods were weird. And the reason that they say stuff, they give you a reason, is so that your insurance covers it. Right. So my insurance covered it for the entire time.
Starting point is 00:51:02 The doctor just wanted you on it? Yeah, the doctors want 16-year-old upper middle class girls in the U.S. on birth control so that they don't have teen pregnancies. Huh. I mean, I guess teen pregnancy is a bad thing. But like, you know, that's, yes, it's, now I sound crazy, but in looking at like all of the women I know of that age, this has happened to all of us. Birth control makes it harder to have kids, and they're peeing it into the water supply, and it's harder for people to have kids.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Gung-gung, what? Have you heard of the mice utopia experiment? Oh, yes. We talk about it all the time yes it's just well when they give mice a lovely place to live and enough bedding and enough food and enough everything and eventually the mice go a bit crazy and turn on each other and stop having sex and oh that's like america well you just wonder if i was we do talk about the theopia experiment quite a bit. I think he did it – the guy did it with mice and rats like he did one and the other. And a finite amount of space but unlimited food and water and then the rat just to see what they do.
Starting point is 00:52:13 And they would have what's called behavioral sync where rats would decide to break down and they would start eating each other and killing each other. I was thinking about that because we're effectively running a chicken utopia experiment. And I'm half kidding, but we launched a YouTube show called Chicken City, which is just live streaming the chickens, where they have a large amount of space,
Starting point is 00:52:32 unlimited food and water. And we have no intention of harvesting the chickens. I'm wondering if we'll see something break down or if chickens will just not be, like they're different species.
Starting point is 00:52:44 I wonder if it's different from mammals, the birds. Do they have a limited space? They do, yeah. It's big though. It's a big space. But the rats and the mice had limited space, but it was a decent amount. What was interesting is in those experiments, they would all cluster in one bunch in one area and not utilize the full space they were given.
Starting point is 00:53:04 I just wonder if we lack purpose. I just look at, if my kids ever talk about millionaires, sort of Kardashian-style millionaires, and I'm like, are they billionaires? They're billionaires, right? Well, billionaires. Millionaires, billionaires, just a lot more than me. But I sort of look at them and I think, what's the purpose of their day?
Starting point is 00:53:24 What are they striving for? And do we as human beings need something to strive for? Because if you've got nothing to aim for, to go for, to move forward for, then don't you just stay still and then just become unhappy? Yes. So I had a friend who became a millionaire when he was like 16 and he said that he had an existential crisis because all of a sudden it's
Starting point is 00:53:46 not just the fact that he was rich and could buy anything he wanted it was that all of a sudden he was like the lord of everyone the way people treated him he no longer had uh like teachers who would tell him he was wrong all of a sudden it was like hey let me get that for you oh you're so smart wow look what you've done and he said that know, it happens to all of these guys in tech who become millionaires rather quickly because they like write a code, write a program, and then overnight it sells. And then now they're worth 3 million bucks. And they're sitting at this massive bank account thinking, what do I do now? Like you wrote the code, you wrote the program, you solved the problem, and now you're rich. But they never, they never did this work because they were trying to get money. They were trying to accomplish something.
Starting point is 00:54:26 And they become listless, depressed. They sleep all day. He told me that eventually most of them, they'll go like six months to a year and then finally normalize. And then, you know, their happiness stabilizes and they try and find their next mission or whatever. But I think that, you know, hearing that story and then think about the fact that I think most people in the United States today are living like kings. Maybe why we're dealing with this collapse, this behavioral sink. I definitely think the U.S. is dealing with behavioral sink, much like the right utopia. I think, you know, I've seen it with like Occupy Wall Street.
Starting point is 00:55:00 All of these people protesting. This is, you know, now almost 11 years ago or 10 years ago. When I was in Brazil, and many who listen to this show probably heard me tell this story, but forgive me because I haven't told it to Kelly. When I went to Brazil, I was in the favelas, and I met – the favelas are shantytowns. They fall apart in the rain. And the woman asked me in Portuguese a question, and it was translated, why are the rich people protesting in the United States?
Starting point is 00:55:25 And I said... That's a very good question. But I said, I don't understand, they're not. And then she asked, and he was like, oh, she's asking about like Occupy Wall Street. And I was like, oh, those were like college kids, kids with debt, people living in cities. And she laughed and was like, Americans are all rich.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Her question was like, I think it was probably like mistranslated. She wasn't saying, why are specifically the American rich people protesting? She Her question was like, I think it was probably mistranslated. She wasn't saying, why are specifically the American rich people protesting? She was saying something like, why would Americans who are rich protest about this stuff? And it's really interesting
Starting point is 00:55:54 because I'm like, hey, you're preaching to the choir, man. I'm like, if you got air conditioning in a refrigerator, you're living better than Rockefeller did a hundred years ago. So we're all basically taken care of. What do we do with our lives?
Starting point is 00:56:07 Create problems? You know, complain about stuff? I sometimes think you get to the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and then it inverts. Yeah. And then we're just heading for... Just doomed. So Kim Kardashian came under a lot of fire that I didn't think she deserved. Because recently she said something along the lines of, you need to work hard.
Starting point is 00:56:27 And everyone's like, oh, you're rich. You don't know what it's like but she keeps herself busy didn't she go to law school like she didn't just like yeah go to law school but she has been reading law right doing this other different way to get a lot of she has a company right and she's doing all this different stuff i completely agree like you should be staying busy no matter how much money you make and especially if you get richer it's like the matrix you know in the in the first matrix agent sm if you get richer. It's like the Matrix, you know? In the first Matrix, Agent Smith tells Morpheus, he's like, the first world we designed was perfect, but the human mind rejected it because it craves conflict and struggle.
Starting point is 00:56:55 It's like, yeah. Without it, people become almost deranged. Well, also, we have a lack of, so I'm what you call a gold star atheist. I've never believed in god um but i think the organized religion and the mutual purpose of people and collective purpose of heading towards an afterlife of actually trying to do good uh for something that you can never touch i think that also has left us wanting and i think the where we've looked is within our
Starting point is 00:57:27 narcissistic little bodies yeah i think that's right we have turned in and we we worship the self where we used to worship god and now we do we do worship the self and we have uh removed the soul we've extricated the soul and replaced it with gender wow ah that's so beautiful. I do think it's interesting that the culture war has made a lot of people like theist or whatever. I've got a theology degree,
Starting point is 00:57:51 so I'm, I have a vested interest in promoting. You're an atheist with a theology degree? Yeah. I mean, I love this.
Starting point is 00:57:57 That sounds right. I want to hear everything more about this. Yeah, tell me about it. Atheologist. That's wonderful. No,
Starting point is 00:58:04 I think that makes sense if you're going to be an atheist to know what you're talking about. Well,theologist. That's wonderful. No, I think that makes sense. If you're going to be an atheist, know what you're talking about. Well, I thought I'd find some. So for a start, I thought university, because I'm an idiot, was going to be like kids from fame, which is probably way too old a reference for any of you. I liked it. I liked the show. So you just sit in an individual chair and you'd all sort of discuss these really meaty topics. It wasn't quite like that. So you just sit in an individual chair and you'd all sort of discuss these really meaty topics.
Starting point is 00:58:29 It wasn't quite like that, but I just thought there may be universal truths. And if I study theology, I may find universal truths and then I may examine my own belief system. But that didn't actually happen. However, I do think the universal truths of human beings absolutely needing something above and beyond themselves is something that now we're finding out to our peril. Yeah. Do you think above and beyond like a partner? I think anything that, that makes you put yourself a little bit last,
Starting point is 00:58:56 um, whether that be family community, that's, you know, whilst we've lost our organized religions, uh, in the UK, probably more than in the US,
Starting point is 00:59:06 and it's no mistake that in poor countries they still are very religious. So whilst we've lost our religions, we've also lost our sort of touch your parents because they're just next door kind of culture. We don't have communities. We've all moved away from each other. Many people live tens of miles, if not hundreds or thousands of miles away from their parents. And I just think these real things that you can reach out and touch are things that we desperately need. Doesn't it feel almost like it's intentional? I mean, think about it. The idea that you turn 18, move out, move away from your parents, separate from
Starting point is 00:59:39 your family, go off to college. You go to college, what happens? You get a bunch of strangers indoctrinating you in these institutionalized learning facilities. It just seems like a lot of things that have happened over the past 60, 70 years have effectively orchestrated the downfall of the family and our society. I'm not saying it isn't intentional. I think that's really interesting. I'm saying it's just like you've got people who heavily advocate for separating yourself from your community, from your family. I just think that's interesting. When I was looking at college and stuff,
Starting point is 01:00:05 my mom wanted me to go to college very far away. We lived in Philadelphia. I had only lived with my mom for two years. I didn't know her that well. I didn't really grow up with her. And she was like, you should go to California. You should go somewhere far away for college. And I was like, I'll go to New York.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Like, you know, but I'm not, how far do you really want me to go? Like, I still, I barely know you. I don do you really want me to go? Like I still, I barely know you. I don't have a home anywhere. You know, I was totally rootless. And so I landed in New York and it's still a situation where I have,
Starting point is 01:00:33 I feel like I have no roots anywhere. I feel like I have like, when I look around, you guys know I've had this struggle of should I stay? Should I go to New York? And it's like, I don't know where I'd go. If there was a place where I could go home, if it was like, oh, I could just go back home,
Starting point is 01:00:47 I would do that. But I don't have any place that is the home that I know other than New York City. It's weird. I had that growing up. We would go, my dad's mom, my grandma, we lived like eight blocks away. So we would go there every four days a week three days a week two days a week whatever awesome and then i moved in college i left the state and i now i haven't seen my parents i see them once every two years or something it doesn't feel right i was just
Starting point is 01:01:13 talking to my mom yesterday about that just it's only six hour drive but like it doesn't have that feeling of we're gonna pop over to my grandma's house on the weekend let's let's let's we can sort of bring up the the don't say gay lie, the hoax from the Democrats. The bill in Florida's true intent was to make sure parents are informed about what's happening with their kids. The left lied and claimed it was don't say gay. I know we've mentioned it several times, but I think this is relevant to what we're talking about.
Starting point is 01:01:39 If they're using these manipulations to try and stop transparency, one of the things in the bill is that teachers can't discourage children from talking to their parents. That's correct. Because one of the things these teachers are doing is telling the kids not to talk to their parents. It just seems like there's a lot of external pressures on people to sever themselves from community, family, religion, et cetera. Ultimately, you add in the transhumanist factor or the neural link and the metaverse. And what you end up with is, it feels like in order for there to be like a metaverse,
Starting point is 01:02:13 you would need these things beforehand. Yeah. In order to get your hands on kids, you need to break up the family. And the strongest connection, pardon me for saying, is mothers and children. And surrogacy is a massive thing that totally separates the idea that mothers carry children and have children and raise and nurture
Starting point is 01:02:34 infants and so all of it is there's not much that we're doing that actually reinforces the family and i know the family in america has got the weird connotations of family traditional like homophobic if you mention family values all of a sudden you're saying something anti-gay um but it's it's just really interesting if i was a predator if i was a nasty predator predatory pedophile i would absolutely love the segregation of of children from families and mothers from children and disempowering mothers and there's no greater way to disempower mothers than actually rob women of all of their rights and power and vocabulary of all of their rights as a mother yeah to even call yourself a mother yeah it's it's shockingly horrifying to see how
Starting point is 01:03:22 this is going on and then you have school districts like in Florida, there's a couple of cases. I was talking to a woman, January Littlejohn the other day, who is suing her school district because they started her daughter on the road to gender transition and didn't tell the family. So another family in Florida where they didn't know that their child was exploring gender identity at school until the child tried to kill herself in the bathroom at the school. And then it turned out that they were keeping – they were having like secret gender identity meetings.
Starting point is 01:03:54 That was Florida, right? That was Florida. Which precipitated the parental rights bill. Right, where they clearly need it. Yep. You know? So you have a situation where educators and administrators think that it's their job to help children keep secrets from their parents because all parents are going to be abusers. And they even said in that one case in Florida, well, the family is Catholic, so they're automatically going to be abusive and non-understanding.
Starting point is 01:04:17 And the father was like, what our religion teaches us to love our children. I kind of just feel like, you know, whether it's intentional or not, over the past several decades, there's been a major push for the precursor of transhumanism. I think it's for sure intentional. I find that if we're divided into subsects of classes in this species that we have, we have the elite and the plebeians, which is everyone else. And it's really a class of elite, whatever you want to call them they they are family tight they are knit units where they like the children run the business that the dad ran and they're always in contact and they're flying on their jets to see each other and their their kids know their parents and then you've got everybody else man and they're just letting the wild animals graze right now i just i just kind of realized something you know i used to make the joke that the future is going to be everybody with shaved heads wearing jumpsuits or giant you know cones over their bodies so that no
Starting point is 01:05:09 one can tell because of you know um like harrison bergeron is that what it's called yeah bergeron harrison bergeron yeah bergeron uh and then i just realized why that's wrong because people are going to plug themselves into the neural linked metaverse where you are just a gray blob and everyone will then just be the same generic avatar i don't think they will be the same avatar i think you get to pick your avatar oh to start yeah start everyone's going to be the same for sure so it'll be the blank slate ideology and then you have to grind for your for your outfits and your stuff here's the interesting it though. If you take every single human being and erase their minds,
Starting point is 01:05:48 or if you do this, if you take 1 million babies and you put them in the metaverse where they all start off as genderless, you know, jumpsuit wearing little humans and they grow and develop and then, you know, around the time that they're 10 or whatever,
Starting point is 01:06:01 it's like, now choose your gender and they can just pick. I'll tell you this. You would find a massive correlation between biological sex and internal digital world gender. So if you take a kid and raise them in the metaverse, I would be willing to bet there's like a 98% chance that kid would be like, I'm a boy or I'm a girl. They would decide it or they would be it. What I'm saying is if you ask, if you take a child, a baby and put them in the metaverse where they never experienced the real world and they have no gender, then at 12 years old, they go to school. You ask them, which gender would you choose?
Starting point is 01:06:36 They would likely choose their biological sex. The one they actually are. Right. Yeah. So even in the metaverse, they'd also really need to stretch out. They'd be like, this feels uncomfortable. Well, their brain is neural linked. They wouldn't know that they're trapped in a pod. So they wouldn't even know that they have a body? No.
Starting point is 01:06:50 And so, I mean, they probably would. I think if we enter this transhumanist reality where everyone is a blank slate and everyone's born this way, you're going to,
Starting point is 01:06:59 it's like you're going to have a million babies. They're going to grow up and then you're going to see a 98% correlation with biological sex of the physical world body and the chosen gender in the metaverse is it oh go ahead so well i was just gonna say look because i've i'm far too hopeful to think this is the future for human beings but also even if you're right there's only going to be a certain number
Starting point is 01:07:20 of people that can afford to join them the you don't think, the metaverse? Everybody's got a cell phone. It's only a matter of time. It'll start with the rich people, but then give it 10 years and it's going to be a $20 metaverse pass. And what about the people that are religious and are family connected in countries like India? See, I actually, I'm working on a TV show. Yeah, so I can't say too much, but it basically explores the idea that there are a lot of people who will not take the Neuralink and a lot of people who want it. And what Ian mentioned is there's a kind of divergence happening within human evolution right now where you're going to have, what you said, homo-cyberneticist or whatever.
Starting point is 01:07:55 Yeah. Something like that. Homo-cybernetic versus homo-sapien. And you're going to have a lot of people who are like, this is the real world. We love our family. We believe in God. It's interesting because we're now facing the real prospect of a divergence between the human species by choice, almost by ideology. So did you read, uh, EM Forrester's the machine stops. So basically that's what happens in the, in that it's like a little novella. Um, and I think he wrote it in like 1914 or something ridiculous like that. And basically there's people
Starting point is 01:08:25 in pods and all of their information comes to them through this view screen and there's a machine that they can ask to bring them food and whatever it is that they need but this one guy reaches out to his mom and his the way that he has a mother is that the machine set her up with this guy and they had a child and then the child was taken to like a nursery pod where it was raised but anyway he reaches out to his mom and he's like i would really like to breathe some clean air they live underground in this thing oh yeah yeah i saw a movie that was basically this maybe yeah it was but it's interesting because in the book there is this one guy who's like no i'm not doing this what is that he was raised raised in that environment, and he comes to it on his own that he doesn't want to live like this.
Starting point is 01:09:08 And he eventually makes it to the surface of the earth where he dies from the poison air. But he tries. Oh, happy ending. He tries. I mean, it is kind of a happy ending because he's like, I made it. He liberates himself. I see the sun.
Starting point is 01:09:22 I see, you know, and then he dies. So for everybody listening, maybe you can, you guys, the audience is always really good at helping me out with this. There's a show. It might be Electric Dreams. What is it? Electric Dreams? Is that what the show is called? But I watch all these different sci-fi anthology shows.
Starting point is 01:09:35 It's a kid who lives in this pod where he plays video games all day and he interacts with his mom over text chat. And they just play platform video games and food is automatic and then one day his pot breaks and he has no choice but to go outside where he thinks the air is toxic but it's not and then he goes to his mom and he knocks on the door and she's freaking out like what is going on why is there a person here it sounds very similar to what you were describing but it's you know
Starting point is 01:09:58 yeah I mean it sounds similar I think it's a similar theme in literature I wonder if you're going to have like humans on Mars that are neural linked humans on mars that aren't humans on earth that are neural linked humans on earth that aren't and you'll have like four different species and then they'll all go to war and one of them will become the predominant species would you do it would you neural link in yeah you would do it yeah some people are saying it was electric i've been clearing my mind as practicing meditation
Starting point is 01:10:25 where you have no thought for like i could have like no thought for an hour and the metaverse can be real important because they're going to be trying to read your thoughts so you got to like the end of ghostbusters we're like don't think of anything he thinks of the marshmallow man right he sure don't think of anything you need a clear thought or they're going to be controlling them so do you think then in this in this happy future that we're all looking at that those in maybe authoritarian religious countries will they be less likely to hook up i don't know about that it's a great way to control the population yeah so they might just say we'll create our own isolated introverse where everyone can you know it depends on whether you think the people who run, do you think the people who lead Iran are actually religious or they just want power and control?
Starting point is 01:11:13 Well, I think they're both. Because if it's just about power and control, they'll say whatever they have to and absolutely would adopt a metaverse like system. If they're actually religious, they probably would resist. Depends on how religious or how they interpret their religion. Oh yeah, there will be religions in the metaverse and stuff where it's like it becomes a religion. You know the funniest thing is
Starting point is 01:11:33 it would just be hilarious if we're actually in it right now. What I think will happen is some people will start metaversing, government, military, and then they'll see it's so powerful to be able to control the machines with your thoughts that even the most religious zealous will start doing it because it's either that or die. Don't fall behind on the technology. It's a weapon.
Starting point is 01:11:54 It can be used as a weapon for sure. If we were in it right now, I don't think my children would be so rude. But if you – no, I mean, you might not know, you know. You just, you know, maybe we're the remnants of a post-apocalyptic civilization that destroyed the planet and purposefully chose to put ourselves in a matrix so that we can live. Oh, that's such a road to hell. Crazy thoughts. That whole thought process is, yeah, that's a spiral into a void. I don't think we are.
Starting point is 01:12:24 Just only because I have no evidence. I don't think we're not. I just don't think we are. Just only because I have no evidence. I don't think we're not. I just don't think we are. No, I agree with that. But I do think it really does feel like that's the direction we're going in. You've got people who jump from one cause to another. You see what Elon Musk tweeted? I support current things, the NPC meme holding Ukrainian flag with all the other flags around it.
Starting point is 01:12:43 And I'm like, that's a great point. I'm wondering what it is that has created this large group of millions of people who are mindless drones. Makes me wonder. What if? Well, I'll put it this way. I think those people are absolutely going to Neuralink and go into the metaverse and just live and march in lockstep. I also wonder if it's true that we are living in some kind of simulation. Maybe we're the people who are actually in the pods and they actually are NPCs.
Starting point is 01:13:12 Oh, the whole NPC thing? I watched that show Free Guy the other day, that movie. It was my son. He was like, we should watch this. Because I was telling him that I thought the whole NPC concept was really wild. And I was like, what if there's NPCs in real life? And he was like, yeah, I've been thinking about that. We should watch this movie.
Starting point is 01:13:33 And I'm like, you're 11. You came up with this already. Yeah, nice. I think people can go into NPC mode and then snap back out of it. And all of a sudden, they have sentience again. They're like, oh my gosh, what have I done? Sometimes i'll even wake up and be like wow what was i doing yesterday i was in like a weird fog yesterday and today i don't know i had this weird thing during covid where like it took me a little while to realize that this was going on but you know we were like
Starting point is 01:13:58 locked down and you couldn't go anywhere and everything was closed and i started to like just not want to move i just didn't want to move at all and then i realized like oh you have this weird idea that if you just stop moving this whole thing will be over sooner oh we have a correction kyle billing says the movie i was referring to was 21 49 the aftermath and i remember now that's i'm gonna write that down yeah that's it sounds basically like what you talked about the air was poisonous and he was in a pod or whatever. 21-49 the aftermath?
Starting point is 01:14:27 Yeah. You know what movie is also cool? Totally irrelevant. It's Time Trap. I don't know that. That movie's great. Cool name. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:34 You think people are in such a state of panic right now that they're just kind of like head down, wait for this all to end, wait for the whole war in Iraq to end, wait for the COVID to end, wait for all the pain, all the things I'm afraid of. Yeah. Wait for the alien invasion that hasn't been false flagged on us yet to end, wait for the COVID to end, wait for all the pain, all the things I'm afraid of. Yeah, wait for the alien invasion that hasn't been false flagged on us yet to end. Well, we really want things to end. Like as a culture, it seems like we don't really... I don't, but some people do.
Starting point is 01:14:55 No, I don't want things to end either. But I feel like our culture is really gearing up for just being like, and that's it. We burned ourselves out. That's it. Enough gravity. Gravity hurts. Let's end it. Was it... I think Seamus came up with the joke joke we're talking about what the future would be like and
Starting point is 01:15:09 he was like wouldn't it be funny if it's like 200 years in the future and everything's just the same and some guy like gets in a time machine and goes to the future and he comes out and everything was normal like it was when he left and he's like he asked someone what year it was and they're like oh it's 22 22 and he's like but everything's the same and they're like that was it like that was that was all our ideas we ran out that was it nothing else after that we kind of just you know just there's a bunch of more mcdonald's but you know other than that nothing real beyond the kiosk right it's like a mike judge movie yeah for sure they've talked about the end of the world for the millennia since the beginning of humanity someone's out there like it's all coming to an end
Starting point is 01:15:46 we're constantly obsessed with the end there's this play I think it's called American Dream maybe it's not but it's by this playwright Len Jenkins who's this New York playwright and at the end of this sort of wild romp all of these characters
Starting point is 01:16:02 just start saying I don't care about philosophy just tell me how it, I don't care about philosophy. Just tell me how it ends. I don't care about philosophy. I got to be honest. I'm at the point where I'm like, I feel like we've reached a certain number of seasons of humanity to where they're doing reruns.
Starting point is 01:16:17 Yep. You know. Kind of sucks. Yeah, it's just a repeat. And then it's just like, okay. It's like, I went and saw The Batman this past weekend. They call it The Batman. That's like what the movie is called, The Batman.
Starting point is 01:16:30 But The Batman is a common thing. It's been around. That phrase has been around for a long time. The Batman. Yeah, there's cartoons. There's a cartoon called The Batman. There's comics of The Batman. If I could have any superpowers, it would be Batman's, because he's just rich.
Starting point is 01:16:49 Actually, his superpower is defined as peak human because he's trained on the mountaintops and he's a master of like ninjutsu and he's also rich. I would just really go with – once we get the rich part, I'd be okay. Yeah. But I digress. Sorry. That was a movie where I was – it starts off like pretty good and then slowly gets worse but never ends. It just doesn't stop. It's like we've caught the bad guy
Starting point is 01:17:07 and I'm like, well, it's finally over. And there's an act four and I'm like, okay. And then they introduce a whole bunch of random plot elements and I'm like, okay, at this point. And I feel like that was a great, that movie was a great way to understand life in the past decade. Oh, you think it's over and it just keeps going.
Starting point is 01:17:24 Yeah. But more and more absurd yeah like you know we went from we've got a pandemic with then we got a pandemic started get this let's let's recount the past couple of years a pandemic starts all right everyone's like we're shutting down the president who's donald trump by the way gets on tv and says we're going to be banning travel with europe and we're and i'm sitting there with my friends and we're like whoa it's getting serious and then two months later the biggest riots we've seen in five decades right billions of dollars in damage 30 plus dead and i'm like isn't a pandemic happening and then we're like whoa back to the pandemic and then i'm like okay that didn't end now we're now that then
Starting point is 01:18:03 intermittent and all of that is like escalation of civil war, people being killed in the streets. And it's like, man, the more we see this stuff and more it feels like the country is going to collapse. And then all of a sudden World War III starts. It's just like, okay, it really feels like someone, you know. And you have the new president.
Starting point is 01:18:19 Just go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh, I know the president's Joe Biden now. It's like, we thought it was funny that Donald Trump was the president because he's like a TV reality star. And now we have Joe Biden, who is who is essentially a Mr. Magoo. Yeah, he is. This is a goo. He also he sits up there. He hardly says he like looks at you with his little slinky eyes. And then he whispers, you know, he yells, it's not going to be World War Three. We're not sending troops into ukraine have you guys seen the south park episode where it turns out earth is a reality show and the aliens are just like we we're done with the show so they're gonna blow the earth up it's like you
Starting point is 01:18:55 know three thousand seasons and we're just done that's a fun thing in sci-fi where the earth is actually just totally irrelevant and they're gonna pave it over for a highway like in Hitchhikers and stuff. Yeah. What do you think is going to be the next thing then when normal people get piqued into understanding that they're being massively lied to? So I... I don't know if that'll happen.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Neural net. I think it is happening. See, I... So because of what I do and I defend women's rights, then I'm used to the media peddling what I call lies about really important. What you call. What are. What are lies.
Starting point is 01:19:32 Factually lies. And I'm kind of used to that. I'm used to our politicians going along with telling absolute silly lies about biological sex and what words mean but then we had the pandemic in which that sort of really propelled more lies and narratives and really obvious overt kind of dishonest narratives and now we've got the war in ukraine which because of all these these lies i think people are finding it really difficult to believe anything that's being told by the mainstream media. And so where the hell next?
Starting point is 01:20:10 On Thursday, I don't know if you saw this, the White House invited 30 TikTok stars to give them the propagandist lines about the war in Ukraine. Is that like when Biden got Cardi B? Oh my goodness. So so they you know what what could be next what could be next i think actually we have a lot of stuff
Starting point is 01:20:32 going on with uh voting rights i wonder if that could be part of it like the there's like oh i don't know i'm gonna get into all that what do you well that's a mess i don't think that's big enough like yeah you know covid was huge and engulfed everyone. Black Lives Matter was huge and engulfed everyone. Now World War III or whatever you want to call it. That'll engulf everyone. That will be the third thing, right? That was my first thought was aliens, but I think it's too obvious now.
Starting point is 01:20:56 You think it's too obvious? That's just not going to be the plot point. We don't talk in plasma. It's just obvious. It's too obvious. It feels like you know we live in a reality where someone is trying to keep people entertained you know and it's just like okay regular human human civilization wasn't working let's ramp things up the elite are trying to keep the plebs entertained or or it's you know in 2016 the large hadron collider fired up for the first time is that
Starting point is 01:21:23 what happened right before Trump got elected? That was wild. Now we're just in this crazy multiverse of madness. Doctor Strange is, you know. That's sort of an interesting. Do you reckon he's a clone? Oh, my goodness. Like Dolly the Sheep in the UK.
Starting point is 01:21:37 That didn't go well. There's like 10 different Bidens. There's all just different clones. Different teeth. Probably this war thing is going to keep ramping up, right? What is? probably this war thing is gonna keep ramping up right what is probably the war is gonna keep ramping up the ukraine thing yeah i think i think i think we are headed towards hot war between nato and russia for sure yeah i think that that's that's what we're looking at well so let me let me give you guys a direct reference i don't know if i
Starting point is 01:22:00 actually i'm pretty sure i pulled it up but uh maybe we can send the tiktok here we go yeah so this is just a general update from daily mail it's not going to be world war three this is all a bluff democrats and republicans ramp up demands to biden to send polish mcdonough and fighter jets to ukraine because putin is escalating every day we also have estonia the first nato country formally through parliament calling for a no-fly zone over ukraine every day we're inching closer and closer to some reason the u.s or nato has to be involved in this and now we're getting these stories on march 11th abc news reported that russia was moving in with biochem suits why would they say that because what they don't just come out outright and say yeah russia fired
Starting point is 01:22:41 a biological weapon they say remember last week we when we saw the Russians wearing those bio suits? This is why. And now already NATO, some U.S. official has said, it's effectively a red line. It's crossing the line. It's a red line for NATO if Vladimir Putin uses chemical weapons. Well, Biden said that last week. He said
Starting point is 01:22:59 he was asked by reporters when he gave his little speech on Friday, I think it was Friday, about what if Putin uses biochemical weapons and Biden said there would be a severe price. But you also have the White House saying that a biochemical weapons attack from Russia would be a false flag. They also talk about that already. Yeah, they're talking about all kinds of stuff. It's very hard to I mean, I cover the news every day. We don't cover a lot of like what's going on on the ground in Ukraine at Post Millennial.
Starting point is 01:23:32 We're not foreign policy experts, so we don't cover that. We cover what's going on in the U.S. about it. We cover what's going on in Canada about it. But like we're reading all of this stuff every day. We're trying to figure out what's going on. We're trying to understand it. And it gets more and more confusing all the time. It's like, it's hard to know what's going on. We don't speak the language. It's very clear that you have two sides there that are very well versed in how to create propaganda wars. And they're
Starting point is 01:23:57 doing it. And we don't know what's what. It's all lies, man. Both parties, every party to this, whether it's China, whether it's Russia, the US, has a reason to lie. And it's just impossible to know what's going on. You've got these people on Twitter. You've got these people in media. Even people on Fox News. It feels like the personalities on Fox News are trying to remain as close to the populist American message of we don't like war as possible, while still crop dusting, Vladimir Putin is crossing that line and something needs to be done. But I think Fox News knows their audience would be like,
Starting point is 01:24:30 no war. Like, you know, we're not going to play that game. But Fox News is one of the outlets that keeps sort of talking about how there should be a no-fly zone. No, that's what I mean. It's like, you know what?
Starting point is 01:24:40 I was watching The Five and I was watching Jesse Waters and Brett Baier. Jesse Waters is like out there being smug. Like, hey, we should have a no-fly zone. That's Jesse. I mean, that's Jesse. Yeah, I don't like that.
Starting point is 01:24:52 No, for sure. But it does feel like, you know, even Greg Gutfeld's, you know, somewhat like, I don't know what's going on or what they're saying. You turn on like MSNBC and Rachel Maddow is just like, do as the cult says. I mean, she's not really on TV anymore, but you get the point. I mean, I discussed before we came on that a guy on the BBC stood and gave a piece to camera with dead Russian soldiers
Starting point is 01:25:14 by his feet. I mean, we're just in really nasty realms of dehumanizing soldiers, which I'm guessing didn't have much of a say in whether or not Russia went into Ukraine. It's remarkable to me how we keep hearing this narrative that Russia's losing. But then when you actually look at the details, it's like, oh, Russia's expanding.
Starting point is 01:25:34 The media keeps showing these small stories of victories for Ukraine. There's one video going viral. It's like Russian convoy ambushed and one tank gets hit. And then you see all those little stories. But then the big picture is Russia gains more ground russia takes over a city i was in south korea a couple years ago and um forgive me my south korean family and friends uh i went to this museum about a great south korean general and it was it was funny to me because it was like this was a great naval leader who led south you know kore, because it was, it was like, you know, ancient time battles. So it was all of Korea in, in great war against Japan or something.
Starting point is 01:26:09 And I noticed something interesting. It was like in the first battle, a great, you know, 500 ships confronted each other. And then it was like, you go to the next historical slide and it's like the great general leading 50 ships against the 300, what a decisive victory. And you go to the next one and it's like his 12 ships led a decisive victory against the 300 or whatever. And I'm like, okay, so hold on. You're omitting the 9 out of 10 times he lost and only showing me the 1 out of 10 times he won. That's kind of what it feels like is happening here with Ukraine. They show all these little victories, but the bigger picture russia is slow rolling and moving in and taking over but what's the what's the aim with those lies
Starting point is 01:26:50 is it to is it to make putin really angry that we're talking about him being a loser i think demoralize the russian troops so that they fight worse maybe but i don't think they're watching this stuff i think it's more so to convince the American people that we can and will win. Yeah, that does that too. And then when there's a chemical attack, they can be like, oh, no, look, guys, you know we're winning, but we got to end it now because of what Russia just did. And then all of a sudden, you know, Russia is winning. Then all of a sudden NATO comes in, flattens Russia. I can't.
Starting point is 01:27:23 So you think NATO is going to just go in? NATO has 30,000 troops right now in Norway doing war games. And 50 warships moved into the region, which is... It's the Baltic Sea. It borders Russia. And it's kind of like, is that a coincidence?
Starting point is 01:27:39 You know, they want to cancel this ICBM test to de-escalate things, but then send 30,000 troops for a war game with 50 warships. I don't think they're up there for war games. I think they needed a reason to send all those troops and get them ready. And just leave them there. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:56 Because Russia has been amassing troops. We know that. Right. We know that. That's for a long time. I was in a cab actually recently with a friend of mine and it was an Uber and the Uber driver was like really, we were like, hey, how you doing? And he was like, I actually just got word today that I'm shipping out in a couple days.
Starting point is 01:28:14 I put in for my retirement in August and now instead they're shipping me to Germany. Wow. Yeah. Jeez. To Germany. Yeah. Interesting. I'm really curious what you guys think of Trevor Noah coming out and saying, basically,
Starting point is 01:28:29 if Trump were in charge, this would not be happening. And he thinks that Biden probably wishes he could bring Trump in as president wildcard. Did he? Wait, Trevor Noah said that? Yeah, he sure did. It was pretty amazing. We covered that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:41 Bill Maher said something similar. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Trump said to, I think, Sean Hannity the other bill maher said something similar yeah yeah well trump said to i think uh sean hannity the other night that he said something to putin that made putin clear that he should not invade ukraine it was probably something like i'm a crazy man and i might just nuke you he said he would nuke moscow right trump came so this is the craziest thing because i think it's insane and i it's one of the things that worries me about trump but if it works i guess the official reporting was
Starting point is 01:29:04 that new york post ran a story saying trump reportedly told she and putin he told putin if you go into ukraine i will hit moscow he told she if you go into taiwan i will hit beijing right and both leaders were like shocked but hold on trump then came out and brand i told him i would nuke moscow and he knew i meant it then i'm like he believes it may be like five percent but that's all you need. Is that what he said? The thing too, though, is like the, the benefit of having Trump as president, like, uh, he was essentially an anti-war president.
Starting point is 01:29:35 The benefit of having him as president was that he was so unpredictable and crazy that no one knew what he was going to do. He was like the homeless guy on a corner with a knife and crazy crack eyes. You know? So America was like this crazy, unpredictable nation with nukes run by, well, with what? No, it's like someone handed him an AR. Right. And everyone's like, whoa.
Starting point is 01:29:56 He had a grenade in one hand and the pin is over here. I think he was a predictable man. He actually was. I think he was a predictable, large-shouldered, kind of bullish bloke. I think you knew exactly what he was going to do which is like a crazy thing well i think i think he'd i think he'd out oh i can't i'm trying not to swear he'd um if it was a urinating contest he would always be the guy to win yeah so yes that's correct. I think Americans should have felt safer in his hands than ever
Starting point is 01:30:28 in Biden's. I felt safer with a crazy man at the helm than somebody who's imminently reasonable. Well, a crazy guy that wants to win. Biden's sleepy. He kind of created a crazy persona Trump did, and it worked in cases like with Putin. Maybe he would hit Moscow with a nuke, but the American people
Starting point is 01:30:43 believed it. They bought into it as well. So they thought he was crazy. Half of them thought he was really crazy. I feel like it turned out he was one of the more stable presidents militarily. I feel like Trump was the kind of guy to where you could brag about doing something that's kind of like amoral or... Well, he did.
Starting point is 01:31:00 No, no, no. Not Trump. I'm saying if you said something like, Trump could never beat me in a pissing contest, Trump would be like, when I take a leak, I spray it so far. So far. So far. Everybody knows it.
Starting point is 01:31:11 Everybody knows. I can write my name in cursive. It's not affordable. He'd be like, I throw a ball faster than Trump. No, I throw the best balls, the furthest balls. I throw them all. I throw my balls. No, but only weird things. Like if you said
Starting point is 01:31:26 I'm a pro bowler and I could beat Trump at bowling, he'd probably be like, well, he's a great bowler. He's very good. I respect him. But it was weird things he would lie about where you're like, why is he so adamant about that being the thing? But that's a reliable guy, right? Because you know that he's going to say
Starting point is 01:31:42 that when people challenge him so someone like putin or china when they're sort of coming up and saying oh we're gonna we're gonna be the world superpower he's like no way i'm the super is superpower that five percent thing is actually a really great point because everybody knows that joe biden's got a zero percent chance of launching any nukes or taking any hard military action he's not gonna do a thing and everybody probably says you know even putin and she would be like trump probably won't do it and then their advisors go probably
Starting point is 01:32:14 and it's like they're like biden's asleep he's never gonna do anything well biden is not even away anything no he's a useless doddering old man he'll he'll you know old man He'll yell come on man To Putin And then maybe he'll whisper And sniff some little girl's hair He's reliable in sniffing women He's great at that So we have Chicken City
Starting point is 01:32:36 Which is our new live stream Where it's just the chickens doing their thing And chickens are animals So they do animal behaviors But people calling Roberto the rooster is getting feisty. People saying, you know, Roberto giving the old Biden sniff to the girls.
Starting point is 01:32:50 A good old Biden sniff. And I'm like, that's one way to put it. It's funny because it's a rather family-friendly show. It's just chickens and we make jokes and I threw blueberries to them and stuff like that, but the comments are hilarious when people make jokes about chickens.
Starting point is 01:33:04 People on our social media team... They fight for it. Oh, I thought they didn't. Those are the young ones. The little ones were confused. One of the people on our social media team, Beth Bache, she's a reporter of ours. She was in Ottawa covering the truckers and everything. She's terrific.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Every time Biden does a sniffy thing, she's like, I'm getting this clip. Just wait. He's sniffing people again. He's sniffing the girls thing, she's like, I'm getting this clip. Just wait. He's sniffing people again. He's sniffing the girls again. It's wonderful. This is our reporter, John. His beat is Biden sniffing little girls.
Starting point is 01:33:34 Yeah. He's like, yeah, basically I just watch all of his presentations and I just pull the clips of him sniffing women. Is he getting nutrition from people when he does that? Because I know when you smell something, you get particles of the thing go into your body when you're smelling it. He's getting grosser and grosser. Like when your bathroom is stinking. Biden can't help it. He sustains
Starting point is 01:33:52 himself. I require nutrients. Yeah, he's a smelterian. I have to smell them. Smelterian. I need some energy. Yeah, he smells. He latches on and all right. I mean, that's gross because a good smell will wake you up and that's really gross
Starting point is 01:34:06 if that's what he's doing let's go to Super Chats if you have not already smash that like button subscribe to the channel share the show take the URL post it wherever you want
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Starting point is 01:34:24 at 11 or so p.m. so check it out and support the show at TimKiss.com but let's read some here super chats we got Aussie Truttler says hello there from Chicken City you know I think Chicken City is our fastest growing new show we got 11,300
Starting point is 01:34:40 subscribers in one week reliable cast yeah alright let's see we got Silver Bear says hello subscribers in one week. Reliable cast, yeah. One week, absolutely. Alright, let's see. We got Silver Bear says, Hello Tim and crew. I sent my resume and portfolio to pitches at Timcast. I wasn't sure where else to send it. I love riding and want to try doing it for a living. We will
Starting point is 01:34:55 look out for it right now. I'll tell you this, guys. We're looking for... I don't know how to describe it. We need people who skate and want to film vlog stuff every day because we essentially need like an executive producer for the vlog. There's a bunch of ideas we have. We want it to be fun with cool activities like we launch the race cars over the garage roof. But we also want to do just like gags with the crew.
Starting point is 01:35:23 So like we did the thing where Seamus tortured people, pretended to. So just fun stuff like that. But we need someone whose job it is to basically focus on that. So if you're interested. Yeah, if you could do
Starting point is 01:35:32 lighting and sound design as well, that'd be huge. Lighting and sound design? Yeah, if we could. Yeah, I think if we, if it looks like cinema quality. No, I don't know about that. It'll get like a magnitude
Starting point is 01:35:43 more followers. That would have to be a different person maybe i mean we're talking about someone who's like a charismatic personality and writer not a production person yeah i'd be down to have a good time but you know we'll take it all so you know it's good to have a good person yeah we can hire sound is everything we can hire 10 people if they're like we're gonna put together a show and have a good time but uh you know ultimately we got so much stuff going on here we just need someone who wants to organize it we've got the the airbag launch thing we built a new, we're going to put together a show and have a good time. But ultimately, we got so much stuff going on here. We just need someone who wants to organize it. We've got the airbag launch thing.
Starting point is 01:36:08 We built a new patio. We're building new skate ramps. We've got Fredomistan and we got chickens and we're going to get goats. So we just need someone whose job it is to wrap those ideas up and put them to the vlog. Do jokes and things like that. All right, let's see. Memotype says, Shoe on Head did a great video about cuties. She does a giant breakdown of just how messed up it all is. Shu watched it, so you don't have to. Yeah, you know, here's the challenge, right?
Starting point is 01:36:33 You know, how are you going to criticize something you haven't seen? And I'm like, well, the issue is I've seen the trailers and I've seen relevant clips from, you know, critique. And it's like, maybe I didn't see the scene where the little girl talks to her mom about baking cookies, but I don't want to watch the movie and watch it's like, maybe I didn't see the scene where the little girl talks to her mom about making cookies, but I don't want to watch the movie and watch it. Like, I wouldn't want to watch the three-minute dance routine.
Starting point is 01:36:50 But it is a challenge. It is. Because, like, I guess she watched it, so I don't have to. You know what I mean? Is it still on there? Is Cutie still on Netflix?
Starting point is 01:36:57 I'm pretty sure it is. I think so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, someone, so we have two chickens with no names because they were adopted. And someone wanted us to name them, at least one of them, Shuan Egg. Oh, that's really cute.
Starting point is 01:37:08 So we did. And I guess the other one is Hensaki. I like that too. Because it's like a goldish, it's a light brownish, like a burnt. It's almost red. It's not quite. But they were like Hensaki. And I was like, that's a really good one, Hensaki.
Starting point is 01:37:24 Someone else had Hen Shapiro. Yeah, I like that too. But I'm like, no, but we need a were like, Hen Saki, and I was like, that's a really good one. Yeah. You know, Hen Saki. Someone else had Hen Shapiro. Yeah, I like that too. But I'm like, no, but we would need a little rooster. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That would have to be a rooster. A little black rooster.
Starting point is 01:37:32 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have one. A bossy little black rooster. With like, you know, little tuft of feathers. That'd be cute.
Starting point is 01:37:40 That'd be adorable. The Mad Machina says, Ian, Carlin did it, the seven words, because he believed censorship of those words was wrong. Your logic in this analogy would mean the creators believed this behavior should be acceptable. Yeah, I think they did. That's why they did it. It's like a social statement of like, look in the darkness. Look at the darkness.
Starting point is 01:37:58 But like, looking at something that's horrific so that you can say, hey, I saw it, Isn't necessarily good for you. Michael McCarthy says, wow, is that Kelly J on Tim pool? Well done. I think this might finally be the sign that I really am in a simulation.
Starting point is 01:38:12 This is a great part of the simulation though. Well, then definitely check out our members only segment coming up at 11 PM. This will be a lot of fun. All right. Legama. The guy on, I'm probably always pronouncing that wrong says dear kelly slash
Starting point is 01:38:27 posy i admire your courage in the face of the irrational crusading mob of woke progressive fanatics on both sides of the ocean we need far more people like you i know you'll never give up your fight be well from florida oh thanks there you go all right daroon albane says tim the released maps for the Russian strikes in lab locations, the maps are distorted, impossible to line up. Interesting. Did you guys see the view called for the arrest of Tulsi and Tucker Carlson?
Starting point is 01:38:54 Wild. Yes. They actually called for the Department of Justice to do it, just like the Department of Justice was going to investigate parents for being upset about mask mandates in schools. And they said, people used to get arrested for this kind of stuff. The DOJ needs to investigate this.
Starting point is 01:39:09 It's called McCarthyism. Call it whatever. It's just, people are like, we went from Civil War to World War III and I'm like, no we didn't. We went from Civil War and added in World War III. Yeah, that's just layering it on top. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:25 It's like the seven-layer dip. We just all need some chips. Oh, great. Sir Bansalot says, Hey, Tim, this is concerning student loans. In Australia, we have something called the HECS system, where you have your taxpayer-backed student loans you can't default on with no interest.
Starting point is 01:39:40 What stops Americans from having this? We do. Ineptitude? Don't we have? We do have federal student loans. Yeah, but they have interest rates. Yeah, they do have interest rates. Yeah, he's saying they don't.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Oh. Because my thing is I don't think we should just forgive everyone's student loan debt, but we should eliminate the interest rates. So it's like pay back what you borrowed and maybe with inflation or something. So it's like you got to pay back the money you borrowed. You know what I mean? I think you probably shouldn't be allowed to get federal student loans for degrees in gender identity. Yes. I think we should not pay back student loans at all. It's like, if you want to go to college, get a job, save up money. Two years later, go to college.
Starting point is 01:40:22 Or maybe the college would pay for it. But the problem with your thing is then only rich people would go to college, which was what the student loan program was trying to fix anyway. And all it did was made everyone's lives worse. And it made college way more expensive. Right. It didn't solve anything. Yeah, because now all these schools have giant endowments. But you could also work your way through college.
Starting point is 01:40:39 People do that. That used to be a thing as well. When a state school was $12,000 a year, you could do that. Yep. Now you can't. But if you link it to inflation by now, maybe by next year, it'll be about 400%. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 01:40:53 You'll pay back so much. And so much of what universities are are administrative departments. Yep. I mean, it's so peculiar. Like in the UK, you could do a degree in golf. In golf? Yeah. What? Yeah. What?
Starting point is 01:41:06 Yeah, all right. Folklore mythology is always interesting, right? All right. We got Mike Hillier. He says, Tim, you are wrong at what a MRA is. You are repeating MSM narrative. Vosh is acting like a feminist. Talk to Karen Straugh or is it Straugh?
Starting point is 01:41:19 About MRAs. And then we have another one saying, Tim, please stop calling Vosh an MRA. Then we have Zerank saying Vosh is not an MRAs. And then we have another one saying, Tim, please stop calling Vosh an MRA. Then we have Zerank saying Vosh is not an MRA. No, no, my friends, you all don't understand. You're looking at the phrase MRA as though it's a proper noun. I'm referring to Vosh as the non-proper noun. He is an advocate. He is advocating for the rights of men. I didn't say all rights. I didn't say he was in line with your proper noun view of the acronym MRA.
Starting point is 01:41:48 If a human being says that they're going to go online and advocate for the rights of men, they're a men's rights advocate or activist. You know, there's not one group of, you know, like feminists have a bunch of different branches.
Starting point is 01:42:01 MRAs can have a bunch of different branches. He's a leftist MRA. He's definitely not a feminist of any stripe, including the many terrible feminists that walk the earth. Yeah. All right. The Wrong Writer says,
Starting point is 01:42:14 playing World of Warcraft while watching this, scary. Also, have a look at Norman Dodd on Tax-Exempt Foundations. Very eye-opening discussion. World of Warcraft was scary, man. I was addicted to it, like 2006, for like a good month, month or two. i would do nothing but wake up play and and i always tell people south park did that episode where they gained all that weight and got really fat from playing warcraft that's not true you you you become extremely malnourished oh because you just don't eat it's called a bio when you're raiding with your friends and it's like a bio
Starting point is 01:42:44 meaning you got to eat drink or, or go to the bathroom. Typically, it's a bathroom thing. But people would be like, no. It's like, hey, we're going to go raid, whatever. And then people are like, I got to take a break, man. I got to get some food or something. They'd be like, oh, come on, dude. Are you kidding?
Starting point is 01:42:57 We're like, we want to start. We got to wait for you. We got 40 people. And you'd be like, oh, okay, or whatever. So I think I dropped like 20 pounds. And I was like super thin because you'll drink water and all I was doing was ordering a calzone.
Starting point is 01:43:09 So what did you say? World of? Warcraft. World of Warcraft. Just write that down. Well, when you're- I was thinking that too. This is like when I was in middle school
Starting point is 01:43:17 and I saw the Karen Carpenter documentary and it talked about how she was anorexic and like she lost all this weight and I was like, that's a killer idea. It's a great idea, right? I should try that. It's actually a killer idea. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:29 I ended up so hungry. It was like half a day. Do it, yeah. All right, we got Cal Talks Reaper says, Tim and Ian, you both need to watch the anime Ghost in the Shell standalone complex. It covers a lot of what is being talked about. Good, sir. I have seen it.
Starting point is 01:43:44 I have seen the movie and I know absolutely about Ghost in the Shell. Yeah, it's great. The Laughing Man thing's fantastic. I love the graphic. It's a guy, he basically can hack people's brains so they can see what he wants them to see. And so when they try and look at him on cameras and the surveillance
Starting point is 01:43:59 footage, he hacks the system so you only see this Salinger quote. I thought what I would do is I would pretend I was one of those deaf mutes just like spinning around a smiley face. So they're like – they ask people like, what do you look like? He's like, I can't remember. So when your brains are cyberized or in the network, powerful people or hackers are going to decide what you can think or remember. That's the future, man. I think they call it cyberdized.
Starting point is 01:44:26 Cyberdized? Yeah, like hybrid, but with cyber. Cyberized, maybe? I don't know. Yep, cyberized. All right. Caitlin says, I was a tomboy as a kid in the 80s
Starting point is 01:44:34 and very feminine now. I'm so thankful my parents didn't just think I really wanted to be a boy. Girl, me too. Same. I mean, I'll tell you something right now that's probably offensive to a bunch of people. The first 1080 done on a skateboard was done by, I a 12 year old boy yeah there's no 12 year old girl who is is also you know hitting the first 1080 i mean it's a massive spin
Starting point is 01:44:56 and so i've brought this up to people because there's a lot of people who argue like oh puberty is a defining point at which a male gains the advantage in sports and i'm like then why are there like 10 and 12 year old boys competing at the at the national level in skateboarding but no girls i want to just shout out all you girls out there but from a guy's perspective women are the coolest thing on earth so please cherish it it's amazing go with it i think i think that's a lot very true for women as well, though, to be honest. Not like equally, you know, because men are just obviously obsessed with women. But the gag, the joke people always say is, on the cover of a men's magazine, is it a man or a woman? It's a woman.
Starting point is 01:45:34 On the cover of a woman's magazine, is it a man or a woman? It's a woman. Oh, yeah, the woman. Yeah. But that's because men don't look as good in women's clothes. And those magazines are about selling clothes. Speak for yourself, lady. All right.
Starting point is 01:45:52 All right. men don't look as good in women's clothes and those magazines are about selling clothes it's interesting you talk about the puberty thing because when advocates in the uk uh to try and stop women's sports being invaded by men uh they will talk about puberty well actually the advantages that men have over women is is not just puberty it's's bone density. It's muscle fiber. It's all these... It's cardiovascular system. It's muscle memory even of remembering how strong you were before a little bit of testosterone suppressant, which never suppresses the testosterone to a point
Starting point is 01:46:16 the same as a woman. It's impossible to suppress prenatal testosterone when you're already born. And so that impacts muscle fiber and bone density and all that stuff. The average of women's testosterone that women naturally have in their bodies, I think, is like the highest is like 2.4, I think. It's very low. It's like nanomules or whatever per liter.
Starting point is 01:46:37 And for the IOC, their regulation for biological males who want to compete in women's sports is that your testosterone has to be 10 nanomules per liter, which is still multitudes and multitudes higher than what the highest average women's testosterone in their bodies would be. If a woman had that level of testosterone, she'd be accused of doping and cheating. Oh, she'd have a beard. Yeah, at least. Yeah, a lot of stuff. So we got Tara says, low fertility is a result of poor diet. Eating low protein diets, low animal fats, and high vegetable and seed oils completely ruins your hormones.
Starting point is 01:47:16 I'll mention this. We talked a little bit to Ryan Long and Danny Polischuk about NAD. You guys familiar with that? Yeah. I think Joe Rogan talks about it quite a bit. Nicotinamide, adenine, dinucleotide. And I've been getting that, but part of that means I get my,
Starting point is 01:47:32 I get like a basically a physical every time they check my blood pressure. Since I started doing a higher protein diet and a lower sugar diet, my health has like massively improved, massively. Higher protein, less sugar? Yeah. I mean, I think it's fairly obvious, right?
Starting point is 01:47:46 Everybody says cut the carbs and eat better protein. So I've been eating way more protein. Instead of a snack being sugar-based, my snacks are protein-based. That was the big change. For one, I snack a lot less now, which is probably why I lost weight. When I do snack, we have bacon. We have little individually wrapped bacons. You just rip them open.
Starting point is 01:48:04 I mostly just eat fruit when I snack. High sugar. Yeah. Delicious. And liver intensive too. Apples? Yeah. Apples are hurting my liver.
Starting point is 01:48:13 I just drink wine. Well, I'm not a nutritionist. I don't take my advice, but I was reading about how fructose, fruit sugar, has to be processed in the liver. So it's- Yeah. Minus the fiber. If you do just apple juice, it's going to go right to your liver and then convert into
Starting point is 01:48:26 sugar. If you eat it with the fiber, which is... No, I just eat actual... It goes longer. I bake some fruit. I gave up meat for Lent. Interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:36 So where do you get your protein from? I've been eating a lot of fish. That's meat. Well... You gave up red meat or something? I gave up... Red meat. Yeah, not fish. I gave up not fish for Lent. Well, that works. Well. You gave up like red meat or something. I gave up like, yeah, not fish. I gave up not fish for lunch.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Well, that works. I mean, fish is actually way better for you. Yeah. So. So my son, like, I've been making all of this like shrimp dishes. I'm learning to cook Chinese fried shrimp. That's so good. Spectacular.
Starting point is 01:49:00 That's great. Wow. There's a bunch of salmon and crab cakes in my freezer right now. This is interesting. Vic says, my girlfriend has been off birth control for a year and she feels like a different person. She's happier, better appetite, more sexual, less emotional. They're turning the frogs gay. Well, I don't know about birth control going to frogs, but that was a pesticide, wasn't it?
Starting point is 01:49:20 Atrazine. Yeah, and I think later on they said that they were wrong. It wasn't making them gay. Well, hermaphroditic is, I think, the story. Well, no, no, but the whole study said that they weren't sure it was atrazine in the first place. It was a hypothesis or something. But yeah, that was a pesticide leaking into groundwater was mutating the endocrine systems of frogs. Yeah, we didn't really touch on pesticides, herbicides, fungicides getting into the food supply.
Starting point is 01:49:44 Oh, you know what we got? We went and bought silky chickens. You saw. What are silky chickens? Oh, those little cute ones? Yeah, they look like llamas. They're so cute. And the woman who sold them to us also sold us some honey that she found in an abandoned house.
Starting point is 01:49:56 Oh, that's not pretty at all. Yeah, I was super excited. It's the best honey I've ever tasted. Did you end up tripping your face off or something? Honey is antimicrobial. So it's like you could put it on your wounds to clean it. So long as it's done by a proper beekeeper, it's probably fine. Now, do you trust the beekeeper?
Starting point is 01:50:14 What beekeeper? It was found in an abandoned house. You don't know anything about it. The lady was a beekeeper. So she also has like legit farm honey. But she said, I found this one in an abandoned house. If you want it, you can buy it too. And I was like, yeah. Well she said, I found this one in an abandoned house. If you want it, you know, you can buy it too. And I was like, yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:29 Well, actually, I wasn't paying attention. It was everyone else who heard it. And I was like, I'll just take it all. And then I was tasting it. And they're like, oh, that's the one from the abandoned house. And I was like, tastes great. So what they say is if the bees are in an abandoned house, then the older parts of the honeycomb are going to have like mold and garbage on it. But the newer parts are probably clean and safe.
Starting point is 01:50:44 And honey is antimicrobial. of the honeycomb are going to have mold and garbage on it, but the newer parts are probably clean and safe. And honey is antimicrobial. Oh, she didn't find a jar of honey in the bed of nuts. No, she found a beehive. Okay. That's different. I'm like picturing this jar
Starting point is 01:50:55 and I'm like, you really just dug into the... Have you guys ever eaten the psychedelic honey? No. Which one is it? It's like the Himalayans will climb the mountain
Starting point is 01:51:03 and they'll go get the honey and they'll eat it and they'll trip their balls off. No, no, it's not manuka honey. Why is it? It's like the Himalayans will climb the mountain and they'll go get the honey and they'll eat it and they'll trip their balls off. No, no, it's not manuka honey. Why is it? I'm looking into it. Gray anotoxin is maybe the chemical.
Starting point is 01:51:12 They call it mad honey. Really? There was this crazy thing that happened in Brooklyn where all of these bees should get some of this legal. That's awesome. These bees got into
Starting point is 01:51:19 some sort of industrial facility and that ended up in all the honey and all the honey was like weird red color yeah no it was uh it was a candy factory it was a candy factory waste runoff yeah these were drinking the sugar funky and so they made red candy honey where do you get the trippy honey though what's the deal where do you find it well i know the mountains of the himalayas they'll like climb long distances to get to it i don't know though i haven't ever heard of this
Starting point is 01:51:44 mad honey before i'm looking into it. Eddie Jones says, I'm 21 years old, and you're helping me learn about a lot of things I was blind of as a noob in the world. Thanks for the solid info and the sources to back it all. Thanks for the 20s, Ian. Chicken City is life. Dude, thank you so much, man. If I could have been 21 years old and had access to a show like this that I could interact
Starting point is 01:52:03 with, I would have loved it. So thank you for putting me in perspective like that. All right. Josh Froman says, hey, Tim, Ohio just passed constitutional carry. What are your thoughts? Man, Indiana is going to pass constitutional carry. Alabama just signed constitutional carry. I think it was constitutional carry right in Alabama.
Starting point is 01:52:19 Was it? What does that mean? You can just carry a weapon. You can carry your gun. Yeah. And there's no permits, whatever. You just get to have it. Yeah. You can carry your gun. Yeah. Just have it around. And there's no... No permits, whatever. You can... You just get to have it.
Starting point is 01:52:26 It's like open carry. Yeah. You're totally pro that. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. In West Virginia, you can just pick up a gun and walk around outside and... And just have it.
Starting point is 01:52:35 No one cares. Yeah. It's like you'll see a guy with a gun on his hip and you're just like, oh. How many states have that versus how many don't? Growing numbers. I mean, now I think it's like 15 or 16 maybe. Wow. Are they the same ones?
Starting point is 01:52:47 What's the argument for it that we have the Second Amendment? Yeah, the Constitution. I mean, the fact that it's getting passed now. Oh, yeah. Like, why? Why are they suddenly doing it? The Constitution, Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Yet throughout most of history, we didn't actually uphold our own constitutional rights.
Starting point is 01:53:08 Right, okay. And so in the 80s even, it was difficult to get concealed carry permits. So they were like, no, no, no, if you want to have a gun, you better show everybody. And people were like, the Constitution is clear, right? So recently, I think it's because I think the populist libertarian wave has been winning very much in the United States over the past decade. And so now we're seeing states basically say the law on guns is the Constitution. Of course, you still have the feds. The federal government bans a ton of weapons, and it's absurd, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Starting point is 01:53:38 But in Texas, for instance, they've passed a law, I'm pretty sure, saying that if you make and use a suppressor in Texas, the feds can't do anything. Like, the state allows it. Because you can't – the feds are only in charge if you cross state lines. But the feds are still arguing, you know, it's illegal. You can't do it. Part of it, too, is that Biden is so gun control crazy. He has all of these ideas about preventing people from having guns. And was recently in New York talking to Mayor Adams after two police officers were murdered by a career criminal
Starting point is 01:54:11 who shot them with his gun. Yeah, actually, New York just launched their new criminal division. It's actually, the NYPD has actually deployed a bunch of criminals. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, the anti-gun unit. Yeah. It's like common sense in New York City. So New York City is, in my opinion, in violation of the Constitution because they make it impossible
Starting point is 01:54:33 to get a gun. New York City is in violation of the Constitution all over the place. Yeah. Good point. In several very key places. Consistently and always. But I guess the people who live there tolerate it. But they created a new anti-gun unit.
Starting point is 01:54:47 These are cops who basically go out to take away to arrest people who are constitutionally carrying weapons because statutorily in the state, in the city, they don't let you do it. I think that's wrong. I think if you want to make an argument about whether or not you should be allowed to have guns, you've got to change the constitution first.
Starting point is 01:55:04 I got a list of the open carry uh number it's from the wikipedia open carry it's better to look open carry is different from constitutional carry open carry means that you're allowed to carry your gun so long as other people can see it constitutional carry means you can conceal it if you want to you don't need a permit oh yeah so if you're in a state that doesn't have that and they require you to get a permit and the cop finds you have a gun, you get in trouble. The moment they enact, they sign into law, constitutional carry, you can take your gun, put it in your waistband, cover it up, and walk outside. So I think we have 23 states that are constitutional carry.
Starting point is 01:55:35 23! Yeah. Wow. Wow. A lot. According to Wikipedia. That's fantastic. Glad to hear it.
Starting point is 01:55:42 A well-armed population is a polite and hard to oppress population. And then three more states that have a limited form of permitless concealed carry, Illinois, New Mexico, and Washington. Yeah, I'm wary of anyone who wants to strip power away from the people to give to themselves. And when the argument about gun control is almost always that the government should have the right to, right now, agents of the government can have select fire rifles. It means full auto or burst or uh semi-auto and they say the regular people can't politicians can have guns right so celebrities can have bodyguards who are armed and the way it works in new york and new jersey and maryland is basically if you're wealthy and famous
Starting point is 01:56:20 enough you can have a gun so they were they say you have to give a legitimate reason why you need the gun. And if you say like for my safety or my constitutional rights, they kick you out. But if you say I'm rich and famous, they'll say we got you. Don't worry about it. In New York, it's like you have to have an interview to explain why you want the gun. And you can't just be like, I just want it because I want it. That's not like not part of the jam. I was told New York ultimately just won't give it to you.
Starting point is 01:56:50 But in New Jersey, Maryland, and New York, the most likely way to actually get one is to show deposit slips for cash in excess of $5,000. Oh, that's interesting. Because then the argument is I carry large sums of cash for my job doing deposits, and I need to be able to defend myself because people who find out will rob me. What if you just carry large sums of cash so you can have a receipt so you can buy a gun? Well, I don't think the cops are going to look into your business practices. They're not going to check it out if you just take it out and put it back in to have a receipt. When it comes to constitutional carry, all the states are pretty much uniform, except for California.
Starting point is 01:57:18 It's all fragmented. All over California, you have different rules. And all over New York State. California is not a constitutional carry state. California is a you-go-to-jail-for-having-a-gun state. They have a May issue concealed permit in all of our New York state. California is not a constitutional carry state. California is a, you go to jail for having a gun state. They have a May issue concealed permit in a lot of areas of California. Would there be a correlation between states who don't have constitutional carry with other sort of infringements of the Constitution? So California, for example, I would say it was anti-constitutional to put men in in women's prisons um which they of course do yeah but i think so does washington well
Starting point is 01:57:50 that's for the defense of it right yes biden is pro putting men in women's prisons as is the unelected governor of new york state it's a potential 14th amendment argument but that's it and it doesn't clearly define what the violation is so that's a harder question to be right so i i probably don't really understand your constitution but i'm just wondering if there is a correlation between uh not carrying not having a constitutional carry and other things that may be like free speech so the first cover is freedom of speech second is guns third is to be free from the government quartering soldiers in your home or providing your home as you know uh providing your home to uh soldiers the fourth is an unreasonable search and seizure but uh the 14th is equality under the law so you see a lot of
Starting point is 01:58:37 arguments about the 14th amendment and so there's interesting supreme court rulings i believe what you're describing would be a constitutional violation of the 14th because the way we as the United States have decided equality can work is that so long as there is – you can separate groups so long as they have equal of something. So it's really funny because like you can't when it comes to race, but you can when it comes to gender. Don't ask me why. I'm not a Supreme Court justice. But it used to be that you could have a white and a black bathroom so long as both groups got a bathroom. We ended that because now it's like separate but equal was wrong.
Starting point is 01:59:11 Now you can't do that. But under the exact same law, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, you can do that for men and women. I think this is what's ultimately going to poke a hole and shatter gender segregation, which ultimately means males and females will share all the same spaces no matter what in the future. Because the argument is, the argument back in the day was, if there's two different bathrooms that both work the same way, then we're allowed to have race differentiated bathrooms because it's equal, right? We said no to that. Okay, well, we do that now for men and women. So right we said no to that okay well we do that now for men and women so now we're starting to see the left argue okay well then how can you have
Starting point is 01:59:50 gender separate but equal nope there should be one bathroom for everybody but this is happening in new york where instead of doing a men's room in a women's room they're doing five individual bathrooms with doors you just lock and so now they're just all genderless single stalls but are they those weird doors that you have over here that we don't have in the UK which leave... No, no, no, no, no. These are a room.
Starting point is 02:00:10 These are right the way down to the floor. This would be like walking into a broom closet. Like you walk into an actual room and close the door and lock it. It would be walking into your own WC.
Starting point is 02:00:17 Right, but it still doesn't stop men urinating on the seat. Yes, that's right. That's an issue. That's an issue. Yep, all that stuff. It's a little loud. All that stuff. But that's one of the things we're starting to see from it
Starting point is 02:00:29 is instead of doing a men's room and a women's room with like, you know, urinals, they'll just make four individual rooms.
Starting point is 02:00:35 The Romans would all sit in a big room together. Have you ever looked at Roman bathrooms? Have you been to a sports bar yet? Just toilet, toilet, toilet, toilet, toilet, and they're all sitting
Starting point is 02:00:42 and looking at each other. They'd all just sit there like. I don't know if they had... They might have had wooden dividers. I don't know. I don't know if they did. I don't know if they had
Starting point is 02:00:47 enough meat. Wasn't it? They just ate too much meat. But I don't know if they had men and women together. Were they mixing genders? Did they have the room at the baths?
Starting point is 02:00:56 I don't know. Eating while they pooped? Let's grab one more super check because we're going to do this member segment. We have Colton Rader says, what is your thoughts on Donald Trump
Starting point is 02:01:04 going on a podcast and YouTube removing it within 24 hours, over 5 million views? That was the Nelk Boys full send podcast. And the issue is, you've got to be really savvy on YouTube's rules to be able to pull off a show like this.
Starting point is 02:01:18 So, my friends, you may notice that many of your favorite creators often get strikes, and we don't. We've gotten one warning from Alex Jones when he was on the show and I think it was BS. And I think it's proof that YouTube enforces their rules arbitrarily. But there's also many things that we're cognizant of and we dance through the landmine field. There are a lot of people that either are unwilling to or just don't know how YouTube has aligned their landmines everywhere.
Starting point is 02:01:46 And so you'll see people who, like the Nelk Boys, talk to Trump. Trump said things and they were like, OK, oh, YouTube gets them. Or we talked with Kim Iverson. The Hills Rising, I think it was Rising, they got suspended from YouTube because they aired a clip of Donald Trump speaking on an interview and Trump said something that YouTube, that was it. And because YouTube has a very specific rule for how you can address certain conversations. That is to say, if, or I should say, when we get Donald Trump on the show, we will not be taken down.
Starting point is 02:02:19 Maybe because YouTube's rule enforcement is arbitrary. But I know YouTube's rules well enough to where I think we could allow Donald Trump his space to make his points and we could say what needs to be said to make sure it doesn't get booted off the internet. That would be cool if you had Trump on the show. I mean, we've talked with some of his people. It's just kind of like, I don't know, you know you know if trump came on the show it'd be like we'd have to go to florida well it'd be big yeah very bigly i would definitely do it it would be
Starting point is 02:02:50 fantastic and um you know we'll reach out to some of the people we've had a bunch of people we've been in in peter navarro and stuff so i really like peter navarro man that guy's cool dude yeah i think it would be great to sit down with trump for a couple hours um but i you know what we were told is like he'd probably do a half an hour maybe. You got to come down. And I was like, okay, well, we'll figure it out when we figure it out. So maybe we'll reach out and see if we can sit down
Starting point is 02:03:12 with Donald Trump and talk to him. I don't think it would get taken down from the internet though. I think we'd be able to get that. I take your point about dancing around certain topics and not saying certain phrases or certain words in order to stay on. But the fact that social media,
Starting point is 02:03:25 that these corporate kind of faceless corporations are preventing people from talking i think is despicable and when he was cancelled from twitter i mean i just think that was a bit of a game changer when everyone realized that oh yeah actually these these globalists uh these sort of technocrats they have way too much power on what we can hear. Well, so here's what we try to do. I think we can get like 99% of everything we want to say on the show because we mostly talk about current events.
Starting point is 02:03:54 So we're talking about like up-to-date news. That's one of the reasons we don't get hit a lot. When people have candid conversations on a wide range of topics that span several years is where YouTube gets you. We pull up news articles from this week. It's like hard for them to enforce what's on Newsweek or the New York Times or CNN. But for the greater conversations that we think, you know, let's not get banned,
Starting point is 02:04:13 we go to TimCast.com, member segments. If you become a member there and support us, then it allows us to have this more, you know, open. Granted, I'll tell you this. We've had the corporations, like big big powerful players, mad at us, really mad at us over our members-only segments. So I hope people realize that. Probably like the one we're about to have. Oh, I imagine this one's
Starting point is 02:04:34 going to trigger a bunch of corporate entities. But people need to understand that too because when we say we're going to do things at TimCast.com where we mostly get to say whatever we want to say on this show because we're talking about current events. If there's something where we think it's going to cross that line where YouTube would take advantage of it to ban us, they still know we're doing it. And these big corporate entities still know we're doing it.
Starting point is 02:04:58 They're trying to figure out how to punish us for our own website, and that's a challenge we're working towards. I don't want to say too much because we're signing on with some new companies that are really going to solidify and fortify our ability to have conversations on whatever we want. But look, man, it ain't easy. I tell people, do you want to sacrifice 99 conversations for that one? I certainly understand not wanting to give up that one conversation. And if there was something so insanely important you'd risk getting banned for it, I say we have to have it. If there's something that's not apocalyptic and whatever, we'll do a members-only speakeasy kind of show. We'll go in the back room and get away from the prying eyes of the establishment. But there are certain things that I'm like, let's go for it. Like the Epstein stuff.
Starting point is 02:05:42 Luke was like, how do we deal with this? Because we're talking about suicide. We're talking about – I'm like, no, we're going. it, like the Epstein stuff. Luke was like, how do we deal with this? Because we're talking about suicide. We're talking about, I'm like, no, we're going. Like, no way, dude. Something like that has to be, we're talking about Epstein all day, all week. So anyway, my friends, go to timcast.com, become a member. We're going to have that members only segment coming up.
Starting point is 02:05:56 It'll be published around 11 or so PM. You can follow the show at timcast IRL. You can follow me at timcast. Kelly, do you want to shout anything out? You have social media or anything? I do. do you want to shout anything out? Do you have social media or anything? I do. If you want to purchase and support what we do, there's a U.S. store, which is adulthumanfemale.us. If you're in the U.K. or Europe, or you don't mind high postage costs, it's adulthumanfemale.store.
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Starting point is 02:06:49 Yeah. Oh, also, Kelly J. gave me this pin. What is it? And it says, it says, mother is a female parent.
Starting point is 02:06:57 Oh, that's nice. Is that the actual definition of the word? Very happy about it. It's abbreviated to get on a pin. Yeah. To be fair.
Starting point is 02:07:04 I mean, it is, is you know so that's what we're going to talk about the members shorter than twitter but we're going to talk about definitions dictionary definitions good my favorite topic liturgy hey i'm ian crossland follow me in crossland.net i'll see you guys later yeah i'm very excited for this conversation we'll be discussing the definition of woman which is an adult human female i'm told i'm stoked i get to wear my shirt tonight. You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com
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