Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #494 - Daily Wire Razor Company SURPASSES Woke Harrys in Followers w/Jeremy Boreing

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

Tim, Ian, and Lydia join CEO of the Daily Wire Jeremy Boreing to discuss the company's newest endeavor, Jeremy's Razors, and the woke men's grooming company that pushed them to start building a kind of parallel economy, the Daily Wire's successful moviemaking skills, Biden's warning of coming food shortages, and how Star Trek went woke and broke. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There are a whole lot of things happening in the world that are scary, alarming. Joe Biden says that food shortages are coming. He says that if Vladimir Putin used chemical weapons, we'll respond. Others have said that if they use nukes, the fallout could spread to Europe and then NATO be forced to respond. And two, members of Russia's nuclear chain of command have gone radio silent and people are paranoid. But we're not leading with that story.

As much as those stories are important, we will talk about them. The one thing I think is particularly important is that the Daily Wire's Jeremy's razors in just three days have surpassed Harry's razors in followers. The reason I think this is significant is that what happens here in the United States culturally will impact us politically and then we'll have very serious ramifications. Joe Biden would not be president if the right had a stronger culture or more dominance in cultural spaces to influence people, which ultimately leads to voting and practices. And for a lot of the problems that

we see from our political class, it has a lot to do with the fact that the left dominates cultural institutions in the media, and they control it. So seeing a story about Harry's canceling or denouncing The Daily Wire and The Daily Wire rebutting and growing bigger than their own Twitter account in three days, five million views on their commercial in only a few days, I think it's significant. And as you know, my opinion on The Daily Wire is that what they're doing is absolutely fantastic and building culture. So joining us to talk about that is co-CEO of The Daily Wire, Jeremy Boren. Co-CEO and God King. Of course, yeah. Sorry. Come on. Yes. Blasphemy.

It seems like such a small ask. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. And also a member of the hot duo Smokey Mike and the God Kings. Smokey Mike and the God King. Smokey Mike. Good stuff. Yeah. The thing about Smokey Mike and the God King, I mean, obviously, our early work is our best work. The stuff we were putting out in the 60s, I think, is just underappreciated.

It's a shame that the culture is forgotten. Yeah. Jeremy's 87. Yeah. He looks great, right? Yeah. Well, that's Jeremy's razors at work. There you go.

The most amazing thing about, and I haven't said this anywhere, obviously, this is my first time on the show and my first time to share this information publicly. We've sold 25,000 Razor subscriptions in our first three days as a company, which is an amazing thing, obviously, and it makes the joke much funnier. The thing you have to know about me is that I like to tell very, very expensive jokes, Smokey Mike and the God King being one of them. And I like to tell jokes where people don't know if you're kidding or not. That's always very important to me. And with this, I was so incensed by not by Harry's Razors pulling their ads, which that's just the market at work

if an advertiser wants to pull their ads out of our shows because they're going through an economic hard time. If they want to pull ads from our show because the ads aren't working. If they just don't like the cut of our jib. All of that is fair game. If they attack us on their way out publicly, well, that's just bad behavior. That's rude behavior. We were good partners. We told our audience, leveraged our personal credibility to tell our audience about Harry's Razors, our conservative audience, by the way. Harry's knew

what they were getting. They knew what they were buying. And on their way out, they decided to virtue signal and respond to a tweet that had two followers and say that we had inexcusable views and a case of values misalignment. And I thought, well, I still have the same audience I had yesterday. Why don't I tell that audience that Harry's doesn't want their business? I don't see why we should put up with that. We'll save some of that, too, because I just want to run through the intros, but we'll loop back. Wait, there's intros? Yeah.

I thought the whole thing was like an extended commercial. Yes. You stole my introduction time right from me. Should we pause and discuss what percentage I'm going to be getting? Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, by the way, old Smokey Mike and the God King. I don't know what Smokey Mike's talents are, but I know the God King never released a hit without him.

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27. Nice. Big year. Which is the beginning of your saturnal return. Which is why they forced me to come back. I was like,

I just... Little old to be a virgin? That's not... Rude. Wow. Actually, you're not too old to be a virgin if you're not married.

There you go. I've heard that from age 27 to 30 is the saturnal return and what you do for those years basically dictates what you're going to be doing for the rest of your life. not a one-to-one ratio but it worked that way for

me i will say that the prohibition against premarital sex in the bible was meant to encourage people to get married yeah exactly i will not to just masturbate late into old no you should i mean you just shouldn't masturbate at all it's supposed to happen let's go let's talk about that on the after show because i love the after show yeah oh i hate Ian Crosland here. And you know, I don't use a straight edge. I haven't in a long time anyway. But if you guys are looking at going into electric razors, I like that. I like where your razors are at.

Anyway, I'm just going to pass this over to Lydia. Let's get down. Thank you, Ian. I appreciate that. I'm very excited to be here tonight. Love Jeremy Boring. He's one of my favorite non-commentators of The Daily Wire. Somebody in the comments was saying that he is smart and polished. So I'm really looking forward to tonight's show. I'm one of her favorite

non-commentators. Yeah, that's right. Because you keep it to a minute. I've already heard some comments. It's just very precise. I was going to say you're like me in that you save up your words and keep it down. Yeah, that's great. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, help support our work Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member,

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smash the like button right now subscribe to this channel share this show with your friends if you really do want to help us out and we got to read this first story in just three days the Jeremy's Razors Twitter account surpasses Harry's in followers. So many of you heard a little bit already about this. You know a little bit about it.

For those that aren't familiar, Harry's Razors is woke. They denounced the Daily Wire's audience. The Daily Wire launched their own version, essentially, Jeremy's Razors, which now has a, what do you say, Jeremy, 25,000 subscriptions. 25,000 subscriptions in 72 hours. I'll just say real quick, and we can get into the beginning, the story of all this, the building of culture, the building of infrastructure, which means the ability for someone to buy a razor. You know, people watch Netflix because where else can you go?

Well, now the Daily Wire's got something. People buy Harry's razors because, or or Gillette because they need razors. And these companies are investing your money in things that you don't value or in people that hate you. So what the Daily Wire is doing is profoundly important. Many people are doing it, but you guys seem to be leading the charge. So, Jeremy, do you want to tell us just a bit about how this started, your position, and where you're at? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, what you said, I think, is a big part of it. Like, conservatives have been sort of in retreat for most of my life, certainly for the last 15 or 20 years. And as a result of

that, we've sort of taken a very pessimistic view. Conservatives spend a lot of time lamenting the loss of the past, lamenting the loss of the economy, lamenting the loss of their place in the culture. And Daily Wire has a different attitude. We're not lamenting anything. We're happy to be alive right now. Like, I'm glad that we live at a time where black people can drink from the same water fountains that I do. I'm glad whatever water fountain is, I mean, I guess they can drink from the same water bottles that I can. And I'm glad that, you know, we have penicillin. Like, there's a lot of this great about the modern age. What I want to do is take the great values that were established and worked in the past, learn from the past,

and build on a foundation. I want to be proactive. I want to be optimistic about the future. I don't want to lament the past. I want to build the future. And so when someone like Harry's virtue signals publicly and attacks my business, I want to build my own business. Conservatives deserve razors too. And I think that it's an important – these world corporations, they think that they can sort of rip the culture in half and not pay any economic consequence for it. So I want to rip the economy in half. I want to say, no, you can't just alienate 50 percent of the audience of the people in the country and still expect them to buy your goods and services. They should buy their own goods and services.

And that sounds like I'm saying that I think we should be further balkanized, that I think that we should be further divided. I do in the short term, but I don't in the long term. I desire a country where we're all citizens together, where we can embrace disagreement, where we can embrace political processes. I just think things are so out of alignment right now that to return to a place like that, you have to create economic incentive. And the only way to create economic incentive, it's not with temporary boycotts. It's not with complain culture online. It's not with doom scrolling. It's with actively building things that now require companies like Harry's to compete for our business.

Exactly. Competition. Competition. So did Harry's have any wind of what you guys were planning on doing? Or do you want to just give us the quick version of the story for anyone who doesn't know? Absolutely. So one of the people who works for me, a peon named Michael Knowles. Oh, the worst.

I know none of you have ever heard of him. Who has? Michael was on a podcast with another of our hosts, Candace Owens, but it was not a Daily Wire podcast. It was a Prager University podcast, and it wasn't a year ago. It was several years ago. Wow. And they had a conversation about how gender dysphoria has historically been categorized as a mental illness. I believe it is currently in the DSM-5.

And that was the conversation. It was a respectable conversation. Fast forward a couple of years, one year ago in March, one year ago right now, and a Twitter account that had two followers. A high schooler. A high schooler with two followers pointed out to Harry's that this conversation had taken place, and Harry's immediately reacted on their Twitter account and said, you know, this is inexcusable. This is values misalignment.

We're pulling all of our ads, and we're going to make sure there's no further values misalignment in how we conduct our sponsorships. Well, when you do that, you're signaling to all of my other advertisers that the only excusable thing to do would be to also pull your business from the daily wire. That makes it an attack on my business, right? It's not just you taking your spend, which you can do anytime you want. It's you attacking your company, a company that had been your partner previously. It's also attacking my audience. You're saying my entire audience, an audience you paid us to go help you sell razors to has inexcusable values. And I'm just not going to put up with that anymore.

I think one of the beauties of this medium that we all have, this digital presence that we all have, is that there are so many fewer gatekeepers. I don't have to make the radio syndication network happy. The radio syndication network wants you to just take cancellations laying down because they have other shows. They don't want to get into a war with the advertisers. But with your show, with our shows, we're still going to have the same number of people watching tomorrow, whether Harry's Razors advertises with us or not.

So why wouldn't I embrace that freedom? Why wouldn't I use that same amount of time that I used to spend telling people to buy Harryry's which by the way harry's is a great razor i was proud to tell people to buy harry's as proud that we supported the work that you know supported their product but they don't want my audience to buy their razors clearly so i'm going to spend that same amount of time telling my audience that harry's doesn't want their business and i do and you're going to make more money do you ever think think that adding an extension to the handle of the razor would be good so you could shave your back? Yeah, absolutely. That sounds dangerous.

Yeah, it could be. Yeah, a little bit. Maybe put a warning label on it. Do you have back shaving problems? That would do it. No, but just thinking for the future. Just in case. A back shaver?

We all have back shaver problems at some point. We may not have them today, but the day is coming. That's right. Yeah. So where are you at? Can you mention how many subscriptions? 25,000 subscriptions we've sold in 72 hours, which makes us the dog who caught the car. I mean, for us, the commercial was everything. And this is what I told my team all year.

We were sourcing razors. We were mixing up shaving creams and seeing if we liked them. What was important to me, though, was whether we ever sell a razor or not, the commercial has to be a statement about the Daily Wire. It has to be a statement about our brand. It has to say that we're proactive, that we're having a good time, that we're looking to the future, that we're not going to take cancellations laying down. It has to remind our audience what we are and what we stand for.

If we happen to sell any razors, it'll just make the joke that much funnier. Well, now I'm the dog who caught the car. I have an actual business. Now I have to stand up over the next two weeks to make sure that we can keep up with the demand that's out there for these razors. Is it that a year ago – I just want to get the timeline accurate. A year ago, they pulled the ads. A year ago, they pulled the ads. So you've been in the process this last year building everything.

And how long did it take to produce the commercial? It was a three-day shoot and five or six weeks of post-production to get the commercial out. Nice. Awesome. Five million views since the 22nd, so not even two full days. It's 4.9 million views. Yeah. It's amazing.

Oh, is that a real flamethrower? It's a real flamethrower. Beautiful. It's not the smartest idea I ever had to fire a flamethrower in my office, but it's definitely the most badass. And it works. Jeremy, Jeremy. The Boring Company. Yeah, but it's definitely the most badass. And it works. The Boring Company? Yeah, is it made by the Boring Company?

It is the Boring Company flamethrower. Jeremy Boring fired the Boring Flamethrower at Gillette and Harry's. It was not boring. Do you believe in synergy, like in divine interconfluence and things? I definitely believe that if elon musk will retweet my razor company i will sell even more bajillions of razor blades yeah i'll actually

this will be the most kiss assy thing that i say on the show elon musk is the greatest living american he's the most important person in the country because he has an affirmative vision for the future of the country i don. I don't know his politics. I'm sure I disagree with him on 50% of everything. But that's a guy who has a vision for what we can be tomorrow. He's not one of these like boomer lefties who's still fighting the cultural revolution of the 1960s or the economic revolution of the 19-teens and 20s in Europe, you know, trying to socialize the country. And he's not a boomer conservative who's just talking about how great things used to be back when we were still young and rock and roll.

He's a guy who's going, no, no, we can actually build some, we can build, our best days are ahead of us. Let's go build them. We were talking about leadership last night and Savannah Hernandez was saying, we need leaders. And I thought, yeah, you don't, but you, what you don't want is a guy to step up and be like, I'm your leader now. You want someone like Elon or like you that's like building something that people can, you're

just casually building it and people look at you like a leader because of what you've created what you're creating i agree with you that i'm a lot like elon your beard's very nice by the way i don't know if i mentioned that earlier and i think for for the average person you know they would they just look at elon and you as very very wealthy successful people who have a vision for something elon though is you know one of the is he the richest guy like richest guy on the planet, I think? I think so. I think Bezos is ahead of him, no? I think it doesn't... Even if Bezos is ahead today, you just have to remember that

SpaceX hasn't gone public. Oh, wow. All of Elon's wealth really is Tesla, right? I mean, when we think of his vast wealth as Tesla, what happens when you take SpaceX public? I mean, the amount of money that that guy is actually worth, I think, is... Dude, he called it Starlink.

I think he's actually going to be linking star systems with that. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe one day he'll build the Dyson Sphere, but I think we're a long ways away from that. Well, time can condense, you know, when you have a lot of... Time and space are the same thing. So if you can move fast enough, you can... And if a lot of people are working together, it kind of condenses time too.

And if you have drones building things all at once in space, you can compile like large spacecraft really quickly. Self-replicating machines we send off to other planets perhaps to just carry on the American vision. Perfect. That's it. That's the end of existence. I think you make an interesting point.

It's true that unfortunately a lot of what conservatives have been doing for the past 10 or 20 years has more or less just been complaining about the left, and it's really important for us to forward our own vision. That's a huge part of what I try to do. Agree or disagree with me, that's part of why I'm frequently talking about my faith and my own particular vision for conservatism, because even though I enjoy making fun of the left and pulling them apart, we actually have to give people something that they can believe in

instead of just saying, that's bad, don't do it. Well, let's talk about that. So you guys are making movies. We are. Daily Wire. You're making shows too. How does it come to be that the Daily Wire, you guys are news aggregators and commentators for the most part. Now you're in this cultural space.

How does that happen? It was always part of the vision, right? The company was founded in L.A. Obviously, Benz lived in L.A. every minute that he wasn't at Harvard. I spent 20 plus years in L.A. before moving the company to Nashville at the end of 2020. Andrew Klavan, screenwriter, novelist, was with the company from the very beginning. There's always been this really kind of Hollywood foundation to what we do. I made a bunch of movies in a previous life that they all failed, but I made them. I'm proud of them. And so when Ben and I made the decision that we wanted to get into business together, one of the things that I told him, and it was an idea that another conservative commentator, Bill Whittle, helped me formulate, was that if we built a media company that was large enough, we would actually have a spotlight and we could shine that spotlight on other kinds of projects that we might want to make. What happened? And so for me, that was

always movies. Like I had a production company with some young actors when I was in my early and mid-twenties. I had a production company later in life called Declaration Entertainment that was sort of just probably ahead of its time and underfunded to actually be what it maybe could have been, but was sort of intended to be like a crowdfunding film company before there were crowdfunding companies. So that was always part of what I wanted, but I thought what we would do is we would build up a big enough audience that if I went and made something on the side, I could promote it. To me, that's how I saw it. But what happened in 2020, you know, everybody

went home because of COVID. Our office is on Ventura Boulevard in LA. It's the second time we've had to board up because Black Lives Matter is rallying on the street and we're afraid they'll burn down our building. And so I'm on the third floor of this office building with my business partner. It's completely empty because no one's been to work in weeks and weeks and weeks. And I said, Hollywood's over. Like, what can they make now? They've decided that the police are bad. Literally 40% of everything that Hollywood makes is about a cop.

They can't do anything if this is the position they're going to take. And that's when we realized not only had we built that spotlight that Ben and I had always wanted to build, but we had built something else too. We had actually built the distribution mechanism because we had built this streaming video on demand platform for our podcasts, for the video versions of our podcasts. And it just occurred to us in that moment,

the technology is agnostic as to what the content is. We've essentially built Netflix. We just haven't put movies on it yet. So if we bring in the one other thing you need for a successful entertainment company, it's just production. If we bring in production, we actually have marketing and distribution. Why don't we give that a try? Because, you know, I know there isn't a God, but if you ever think about how the world has so much purpose and how everything's so complex and beautiful, it's almost like a godlike being probably from outer space built it all.

Not God, because that would be a silly thing for me to say. That's insane. Like, what a crazy person. But, like, just a godlike being, you know, if you really think about it. That when the godlike being, sometimes there's this, like, fortuitousness or providence that happens in the world and as we're having this thought dallas sonia who's been a guest on this show called me and said hey i made this great movie called run hide fight and hollywood won't buy it because i've basically been blacklisted and we just saw that as an opportunity to test the theory if we put a

great production through our marketing and through our distribution mechanism, what will happen? It was an unbelievable success for us. The movie paid for itself in something like seven days. And we realized that we had an actual now opportunity. And I always think opportunities are always responsibilities. So now I say we have a responsibility to go chase this. Let me tell you about impact. I would like for you, sir, to please read the headline on the screen. I watched a Ben Shapiro movie by accident. That's right. This is some leftist who watched, I believe they watched Shudden and liked it so much they tweeted how much they liked it, saying if you're looking for something to watch, Shudden is pretty fun and Vincent Gallo gets his ass kicked if you're into that sort of thing. That's a tweet I wrote a couple weeks ago. Late on Saturday night, it no longer exists.

The reason it doesn't exist is because almost immediately after I posted it, I got a DM from a friend. You know that movie was produced by the ultra-right-wing Daily Wire with only ultra-right-wing producers, talent, and so forth for the market. Um, what? No, no, delete, delete, what? Yep, they're trying to make real movies now. Sneak that ish in under the cover. What? No. No. Delete. Delete. What? Yep. They're trying to make real movies now. Sneak that ish in under the cover of actual production values. For F's sake, this always happens to me.

I will be watching an ultra-evangelical movie and not realize it's ultra-evangelical. I'll be listening to Christian radio and not realize it's a Christian radio. If Jesus is around, I need him to announce himself or I'll just think he's from Brooklyn. That's smart. round. I need him to announce himself or I'll just think he's from Brooklyn. The funny thing about this is that I hope it's satire, and it may be, but I'm assuming it's not. I don't know. It's the greatest article. I mean, at the end

they say, maybe if you keep doing this maybe one day I'll watch one of your movies on purpose. But here's... Real quick, we did talk about this the other day, but I just want to point out with you here, I need your thoughts. This is someone who's saying they actually really enjoy

evangelical movies or The Daily Wire's content, but it says a lot that they're unwilling to watch things they enjoy because of cult-like behavior. And so the point I made before we got on the show is, thinking about your commercial with Jeremy's Razors, it's an objectively funny commercial. Okay, obviously humor is objective to a lot of people, but it's very much in line with a lot of the real American heroes bits that were happening all through the 2000s, 2010s, real men of whatever and that stuff. And it's an over-the-top, it's silly, use a flamethrower to torch, and there's a lot of jokes. It's funny.

The Native American Elizabeth Warren you have standing behind you, a lot of jokes in there. The people who claim it's not funny or they don't like it, they're only saying that because they're part of a cult they have to adhere to. That's right. Privately, they admit they like your movies, but they must say they don't like it for the sake of their political tribe. Well, also, when these people say something isn't funny, am I supposed to sit there and go, well, you know, the things you think are hilarious tend to be really valuable and enjoyable to watch. So, of course, I trust your opinion on this. I mean, none of their comedy is good.

But part of why I think this, and I could be wrong, part of why I think that this is probably satire is because, unfortunately, most of the stuff that conservatives and evangelicals make tends not to be funny or entertaining. And they're saying that they keep seeing things made by evangelicals that they don't know are evangelical, which is kind of part of why I'm thinking it's satirical, but I could be wrong. I'd like to quote Justin Roiland or his character, Rick Sanchez. Your boos mean nothing. I've seen what makes you cheer. Yeah, that's right. So there you go.

I mean, first of all, the funny thing is they cheered for your guys' movie. And they're only booing it now when they realized who made it. I'm like, no, you can't take it back. You cheered for it. We know you like it. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, as an insecure artist, you know, anytime anybody says they like anything that I did, I don't hear anything they say after that.

It's all a buzz. So what's the plan? What's next? TV shows? TV shows, movies. We, you know, as with the Razor Company, we just see a lot of opportunity in the destruction that the left is bringing to the culture right now. I mean, I think it's tragic. Listen, if I could snap my fingers and put the country back together and have everything be like it was back when I grew up, I'd probably do it.

If I could be dictator, that's what I'd just say. Hey, it should be 1990s all over again. I kind of like the 1990s. The 90s were epic, dude. Yeah, like there was no... The races all got along and everybody was doing pretty well. The 401k was going up. Transformers, Beast Wars, come on. Dude, 97, 93. But you can't do

that. And it would be disingenuous for us to say, in all of this destruction, there's not an opportunity for creativity no absolutely there is and we should take it what oh i will i totally agree and this is part of why i got into the sphere firstly i just always wanted to make entertaining content uh i lean right people on the show who watch me regularly know this and what ended up happening is i just got to a place after i launched my channel and was doing these political cartoons for a little while where i just

realized i didn't really need to try to put a message into anything. I just needed to make something that I thought was funny, and my values would naturally come out in it. So often what happens when conservatives try to make content, or evangelicals, Christians, even Catholics try to make content, is they will really hit you over the head with what the central message is supposed to be instead of just making something that's enjoyable to watch, and it turns out really cheesy.

Now what's ended up happening over the past couple of years is the left has adopted that strategy. And so much of what they produce is message first substance later. And so you're absolutely correct that they're tearing their whole empire down. Because I remember as a kid, we used to watch films and television shows from the 1950s or 60s with our dad, and he would make comments about how they could never make that today. Now we're saying that about things that were made 10 years ago. Yeah, that's right. How do you guys get around the ESG stuff that's been coming?

You're familiar with the – what is it? Environmental social – Governance? Yeah. So real quick, for those that aren't familiar, this is basically social credit scores for businesses, and they expect you to be woke, to have these diversity statements. Otherwise, they could negatively impact your ability to get loans and things like that.

So The Daily Wire is making all this content. You guys are going after culture, but isn't there a risk there if these other institutions come at you? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of risk everywhere. One of the problems I think that conservatives face right now in the economy more broadly is there are so many potential vectors of attack and you could put a lot of money into chasing any one of them and then that could just not be where the attack comes. So you wasted all of your resources

trying to plan for a disaster that never came and now the disaster can come from a whole other angle. An example of this, conservatives want to build their own social media platforms right now. You know, you hear every time I talk to any sort of like conservative billionaire, the first thing they say is, when are we going to get a Facebook? And I say, Facebook is 20 years old, bud.

You will probably get one 10 years from now. It's been half a biblical generation since it was created. So I think that you're getting close. Soon you will have one. But that's the whole problem with conservatism from an investment class point of view. Most high net worth conservatives made their money in energy or they made their money in real estate. They made the dominant communication platform ever conceived in all of human history. They would call security and throw that guy out. Now, 20 years later, they go,

why don't we have a seat at that table? But if a kid with a backpack walked in now and pitched them blockchain or pitched them meta, they would have the same reaction that they had 20 years. So it's like, I bet we have a conservative Facebook in 10 years, and I bet that we have a conservative metaverse in 45 years from now, right? That's the problem. But as with all problems, it creates certain opportunity. We found an early investor in our company who was able to get us off the ground. We took money from them that helped us for the

first 14 months. In month 14, the Daily Wire was cash flow positive. We've paid for all of our growth since then out of cash flow. We did $120 million of revenue in the last 12 months. Sometimes I get angry when people are like, billionaires pay for everything you do. No, no, no. Like many companies, we were privileged to get some startup capital, but we funded all of this out of our success.

So you're just saying Daily Wire pulls in $10 million a month? Yeah, and because of that, the ESG stuff right now doesn't apply to us, right? Because we funded our own growth, it's sort of like your situation here. You've built something. Now, you didn't even have the amount of startup capital that we had, but you've built something that you own, and because you own it, you can't be canceled from it. You can't be thrown out of it. Now, our goal at The Daily Wire is to become an institution. Our goal at The Daily Wire is to challenge the left on an institutional level, because we think that's the only place that true victory can take place. Maybe at some point,

we'll have to go to the public markets. But what we won't do is get caught up in the CSG stuff. It may come to, at a certain point, we we have to decide do we subject ourselves to forces that change what we are or do we not grow and what the risk i see is uh yeah well i'll phrase it this way when i watched that commercial you put out when i saw the building you were in and the tv and the structure i'm like that reminds me of vice you know when i when i worked there when they were offensive, when they were shocking, the way they designed their buildings. And I was like, man, is the Daily Wire like Vice now? Like how they used to be? How did Vice go from being sex, drugs, and rock and roll into wokeness, outright establishment?

And there comes a time. Hundreds of millions in institutional capital. Did they go public? Well, they want to. I think they're trying to go through a SPAC. They've wanted there comes a time. Hundreds of millions in institutional capital. Did they go public? Well, they want to. I think they're trying to go through a SPAC. They've wanted to for a while. My understanding is what I was told by former higher-ups who were at the company is that they had been attacked so many times by harassment complaints, sexual harassment, that the press was bad. And they had paid people out.

And there was a risk of certain stories going public so their investors said just declare yourselves like a feminist company like make feminist content adopt this and you'll shield yourself from these claims and so the idea this is what i was told that um and this is someone who was like i worked with i worked advice they said when the investors came in said, be a feminist company and you will be safer from these attacks, they said, okay. Because the executives didn't care, so my understanding was, or is, they were just like, hey, whatever gets people off our back, you guys, no problem. We just want to make cash and run a business. None of these executives care. Disney doesn't care about the grooming law down in Florida, right?

Of course they don't. What they care about is their 23-year-old woke employees making it impossible for them to conduct their business. What they care about is the fact that the left is so skilled at weaponizing and they want to avoid those attacks to their business. And so the thing about virtue is that it's actually a really cheap currency. You just say something. Hollywood's always peddled in this, you know, even in the glory days of the nineties, you know, and we're all walking around sucking on a big gulp or whatever. Uh, you know, everybody in Hollywood wanted to save the freaking whales because of

course they want to save the whales because when you're on like your third marriage and four out of your five kids are in rehab. Got to save something, I guess. Everyone needs to see themselves as good on some level. And if you're good for it, Christians do this too, by the way. Everyone, an easy out is to find an abstract way to be good. It says in one of the epistles written by the Apostle John that it's easier to love your neighbor whom you know than to love God. And Christian, every time you talk to a Christian, I go, well, that's not really true. I mean,

my neighbor's kind of a jerk. My brother's kind of a jerk. But of course I love God. And I said, well, you don't. I mean, God himself in the epistle says that you don't. You say that you do because you've abstracted a God that you can love more than your brother whom you know. You've created a God to love who approves of you and who doesn't have anything that you disapprove of. Your neighbor, your brother who you know, has all kinds of crap that you don't approve of. And so you see, like, it's very easy to give money to African missionary work or African charities or to save the whales or to save the environment. These are ways of abstracting your way out of having to deal with the messy reality of the world. If you really care about people, you interact with those actual people and try to make improvements into their lives, right? Yeah, I would actually agree with

that. And I would go as far as to say when somebody says that they love God, but they hate the people around them, don't do anything to improve their circumstances, either material or spiritually, that person really worships themselves because their vision of God is just, as you said, something abstract that caters to all of their particular desires. One thing that I think our society has really lost is people are not focused as much on what is near to them. They want to solve problems on the other side of the world. That's a huge part of progressive politics.

In fact, you could argue it's the only part of progressive politics is to defer responsibility elsewhere. Historically, people understood you were supposed to love those closest to you, care for your family first and foremost, and then you started to worry about the people around you. Now it's the exact opposite. I can treat my family horribly, but as long as I am theoretically good to someone on the other side of the world, I'm a good person, even though my entire social life is a complete failure. The greatest psychologist of our time has a statement. Jordan Peterson, you have to clean your room, man. But that's exactly

the meme. The meme is, you can't change the world if you can't even get your own life in order. But I want to point something else out, too. When I'm looking at this article from Defector, and they're holding up a sign saying, F.U. Ben Ish Piro, like just cussing at him, I think to myself, I don't recall seeing conservatives holding up signs saying F.U. Jenk Uger. Or to be fair, obviously sometimes they do, but it's kind of a common occurrence among the left to hate and to hate without trying to understand.

So I'm thinking about Daryl Davis. He's been working with Bill Ottman over at Minds. They want to de-radicalize extremists, not de-platform them. It's one of the things they're working on. And Daryl Davis, you know, he's the guy who went to Klan meetings, a black man, and just talked to these people to try and understand them, ends up de-radicalizing them. It's fascinating because when I see how the the modern left the activists left not like regular run-of-the-mill you know democrat voters they're you know mostly just regular people aren't paying

attention maybe yeah but these activists just they hate they hate so much it's the weirdest thing that glenn beck can tell dave rubin i disagree with you and i think what you're doing is wrong but i love you and what do they say they say f you F you, Ben-ish hero. I'm like, man, Glenn Beck tells the people he disagrees with that he loves them. They tell you they hate you. I don't understand why anybody would want to be a part of that. Yeah. Well, this is the problem with dogma and ideology and politics is that they allow you not to have to actually engage with the world as it is. You're only required to engage with the world sort of as you perceive it,

juxtaposed against a code of your, essentially of your own making. And people can say, well, no, my dogma is 2,000 years old or my dogma is, well, come straight from Athens or whatever it is. But the truth is, if you're a person who can't engage in reality,

then your dogma is an abstract. Your dogma is just a reflection of things that you want. And it's a way of, to your point, mitigating responsibility for the actual people around you. You know, you – I've thought a little bit about our – I actually was about to say something that I had committed not to say on the air, so I'm not going to say it. Nice work. Thank you. It's rare that I make a good decision, but I just made a good decision. I hear you. But it's it's rare that i make a good decision but i just made a good i hear you but it's so it's so important you know god if you're going to believe in god or the god

like alien who actually made the heavens and the earth uh you you there's a whole conversation there you you actually have to believe like god has to be the god of reality i i took a friend 10 years ago i i'm married uh to a woman i never talk. I won't say her name or talk about her too much, but I will tell you this funny story that I took a friend's future in-laws out to a movie ten years ago. And the first thing that his future mother-in-law said to me after the movie was, I said, oh, did you enjoy the movie? She goes, well, I don't really like movies. I said, oh, great. And she said, you know, you and your wife are married? I said, yeah, we've been married a short amount of time.

She said, well, you know, in God's eyes, she's still married to her first husband. And I said, oh, well, God must be an idiot. Wrong. Because that's not true. That is not reality. God has to be the God of reality, not the God of an abstract fantasy.

But I think, so I would argue as a Christian that it's an abstract fantasy that you can divorce and remarry if it was a legitimate marriage in the first place. Because one of the definitions of marriage is that it's a lifelong commitment until death do you part. But what would you argue as a Seamus? As a Seamus? I mean, that's my belief. Do you actually believe it or do you just believe that the Christians believe it?

No, I believe it. I mean, I think most Christians don't believe it, unfortunately. I think a lot of Christians have abandoned that. It's not a popular teaching anymore. I suppose you could define the word marriage meaning to mix. So if you're going to mix your soul with something, if there is a God, if there's an energy field. There's no unmixing that soul. That's a good point.

Well, no, there's no unsaluting a solution, but I think you can reverse a mixture. If you mix red and blue paint together, you ain't getting them back out. Right? Yeah. That's a meaningless analogy. I think you're onto it, though. I'll push back on that just a little bit. Sure.

God's the God of reality. Divorce exists in the Bible. That's not a recommendation of divorce, which is a horrible, terrible thing. But the idea that God lives in a sort of abstract where things are as they should be, how far back do you take that? Essentially, if that's the case, then God still lives in Eden before the fall happened. God still lives in a place where people haven't been living in sin, where people haven't been making mistakes, where none of the eventualities that came from that causality of sin have

ever occurred. And God is abstracted out of being the God of actual people in an actual place in an actual time. The God of the Bible, in my estimation, is a God who actually took on sin and took on the consequences of sin on himself in Christ. As a result of that, he becomes God of a reality that's, he becomes God of the people who have existed in reality, not just the people who could have existed in the abstract. So I just think that any time that we used, see, this is a great example. That's a place where we use sort

of a dogma or an ideology to deny a reality that's right in front of us. I think you see it a lot with what's happening in Ukraine right now, by the way, where regardless of your opinion about NATO expansion, regardless of your opinion about the merits of Zelensky, regardless of your opinion about a lot of things like Vladimir Putin actually did invade Ukraine and Ukraine did not want to be invaded. And you see a lot of people left and right, but particularly on the right, who are almost in denial about that situation because it doesn't line up with their political point of view. They have a political point of view that Ukraine shouldn't have done certain things or that Putin was more friendly to the West than he actually turned out to be

or that Putin was a better representative. You even hear people on the right right now saying that Putin was a better representative of Christianity because he built a cathedral at one point in time or something. And then actual reality takes place in front of them. They have a very hard time pivoting to accept it because it's out of line with their expectations based on how

they thought the world should be. Hitler was Time Man of the Year. Yeah, Hitler was Time Man of the Year. And they did appease him for a long time. So I hear some of what you're saying, and I agree with some of what you're saying, but I would say where we definitely disagree is that i would argue that god having moral prescriptions for us that we ourselves do not live up to does not mean that he's over abstracted or doesn't govern our reality because it's actually christ in scripture who who says what uh god has

has brought together let no man put asunder and anyone who leaves their husband commits adultery, et cetera. The challenge... He also says if you have lust in your heart, you are an adulterer. Yeah, you're an adulterer. You're not on the path to adultery. You're not kind of like an adulterer if you really think about it.

Yeah, you are one. I wonder about that. If you're in a marriage and you're thinking about having sex with another woman, does that make you cheating on your wife? Yes, that's adultery of the heart. That's crazy.

How do you control your thoughts? You've got to learn to control your thoughts. Yeah, absolutely. Custody of the thoughts. I mean, nothing happens in the world that didn't first happen in the the heart. That's crazy. How do you control your thought? You've got to learn to control your thoughts. Yeah, absolutely. Custody of the thoughts. I mean, nothing happens in the world that didn't first happen in the human heart. I would actually disagree. I think the entire purpose of the Sermon on the Mount is to get us out of these abstractions. It's to bring the full weight of condemnation.

It's so that no one can claim not to be an adulterer, not so that we can also try to figure out how to not commit adultery in our heads. So I would absolutely agree that people should not be sitting here, and it is certainly not my claim to say that I am not a sinner or that I have not committed adultery of the heart, etc. It's simply to say that I don't believe recognizing that negates the moral precepts that Christ put forward. These are very profound moral, ethical, and religious questions that are very difficult to get into, especially, you know, we could talk a bit more about, I suppose, in the members-only segment

if you guys want to get into the core of it, because I love having these conversations. But when you got into Ukraine, I was like, let's segue, you know, and then it's like it gets pulled back into the philosophical world. They need razors in Ukraine. Let's talk about it.

They do, they do. So here, basically, this is me navigating a very hard segue back to this topic, which we had pulled up, which is Biden warning of real food shortages, food shortage risk over Russia's invasion into Ukraine. We've been hearing murmurs about this, but it's very obvious. Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe. They produce wheat. Russia exports fertilizer.

We're no longer able to buy that fertilizer for the most part. The prices are skyrocketing, which means the spring planting season will be limited. And that also means the fall harvest will be severely stunted. So you can expect to see food shortages here and in Europe. And Biden is warning about it. Yep. I think there's a couple of things to point out. One is that Biden has basically said we're going to what did he say? We're going to disseminate food shortages around the world. Yeah. What a ridiculous thing to say. Sounds like a Biden thing to say. But, you know, people will be like what he really meant was we're going to disseminate food around the world. Yeah. What a ridiculous thing to say. Sounds like a Biden thing to say. But, you know, people will be like, what he really meant was we're going to disseminate

food around the world. Well, you don't know what he meant. He said he's going to make food shortages worse. The other thing is, this is the direct result of a lack of culture coming from the right,

because politics is downstream from culture, as Andrew Breitbart said. And when you get a 2020 in which every channel, every movie, every media outlet is all screaming orange man bad, it lights people up to get out there. And I always bring up the story, man, people I know who have no business in politics.

I certainly think they have a right to be. But these are people who couldn't tell you what the Supreme Court was, how many justices it has, or even name a single member of Congress going out and voting. Why? Because their media and their culture tells them what to do. Now we're seeing the ramifications of this. Joe Biden as president is not responsible for every crisis we're dealing with, but he's certainly a bad leader who said he's going to be disseminating food shortages. Now we get to experience those food shortages.

There's a promise. Because to stop literal Hitler, you would elect anyone. Yep. It looks like the actual quote is we both talked about how we could increase and disseminate more rapidly food shortages. That's a great quote.

That's our Biden. It just makes me contemplate time, you know. The passage of time. What is time? Imagine guessing this situation five years ago like yeah we're gonna have these food shortages and the president's gonna go he's gonna distribute the food shortages or um imagine being donald trump speaking at a rally and saying if you vote for joe biden you're gonna have your gas prices are gonna go way up the economy's gonna be bad

and you get freaking fact checked and shut down on Facebook for saying it probably at the time. Yeah, you guys – Missing context, they would have said. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I remember this one fact-checker. Someone quote-tweeted me because I talked about Bill Clinton and Epstein's plane, and they fact-checked it as false. When you click the fact-check, it's explained in great detail how I was correct. Yeah.

It's the most insane thing. They did it to Josh Hawley. PolitiFact did it where they were like, Josh Hawley says that Judge Jackson was lenient to, let's just say, child abusers, very extreme child abusers. And they were like, mostly false. And then you scroll down. It's like, well, it's true. She was lenient to these people. It isn't out of the ordinary for judges to be lenient.

Everyone's doing it. And it's like, did he say it wasn't he just gave a fact. So well, this is the reality of where you're at when your cultural institutions are dominated by a cult and by people who are intent on just controlling the system, even if even if it means burning it to the ground. Yeah, the institutions in this country were always the real bulwark against state intrusion into our lives, right? You had the states actually created the federal government so that they're like the ultimate pre-federal institution. You had the church, which was one of the most important institutions in the country. You had other institutions, though. Corporate America, I think probably the – it's unpleasant to say, but probably the institution that mattered the most in many ways as a bulwark against state power. You had the family, the ultimate institution. And what the left has done over the since the 60s is they've infiltrated every one of those institutions.

Since the state automatically essentially desires what the left desires, a state, the natural state of a state is to grow its power over the individual, which is a which is a left wing goal. Since that is the truth, when when the left takes over all the institutions that allowed the people to essentially it solves the collective action problem of the people in defending their rights against the state. Once once the institutions are on the left, the institutions immediately essentially become an arm of the state. Once the institutions are on the left, the institutions immediately essentially become an arm of the state. And you see that with all these fact checkers. I actually, I have a soft spot for Facebook. I mean, Daily Wire has been the number one publisher in the world on Facebook 15 months in a row. We do really well on Facebook. I think Mark Zuckerberg, if you were to talk to him personally, wouldn't see himself as a guy who has taken voices away from so many people. He would see himself as the guy who has taken voices away from so many people. He would see himself as the guy who's given a voice to a billion people.

Nevertheless, the institution that he's created, because 30,000 people at Facebook all walk in lockstep with the left, they've become an arm of the state. And so instead of corporate America now, all the things we've been talking about all night, HR and all these things, instead of corporate America solving the collective issue, the collective action problem of the individual, they actually become a part of the state's power to shut down the individual. And that's why you get these incredibly Orwellian expressions like fact checking. How can you have a fact check that says you are mostly – that something is mostly false, which is completely true. And what the answer is that missing context or mostly false, the piece that they say was missing or that would have created the falsehood is just their point of view. Not more information, not more fact, their point of view, missing context. If I say Joe Biden isn't a good president, you know, they will say fact check. Mostly false. Missing context. And you'll read the article and say, well, hyperinflation, war overseas, the end of American hegemony, gas prices through the roof, food shortages being disseminated around the globe.

But other presidents have been bad. They would say Joe Biden actually promised to disseminate those food shortages. So he's keeping his campaign promises. He's a good president. Let me ask you. We've had a few people on the show. We recently had a more middle-of-the-road guy on the show. And sometimes we hear this from the moderates that, you know, oh, the both sides things. I think both sides have their problems or whatever.

My response to this is like, look, man, I personally have never been this staunch conservative guy. Actually, when I was younger, I went toolic school up until i was in sixth grade then i went like anarcho-punk rock hanging out with these hardcore like lefties and then eventually kind of just found a middle of the road place but when you have i love going through the list of stories covington kids russia gate ukraine gate jesse smollett uh michael brown traven martin lie lie lie lie lie over and over again at a certain point why aren't these people being like i was lied to i shouldn't listen anymore you know you've got these fact checkers who come out and they fact check stories that later turn out like the hunter biden laptop all the fact it didn't later turn out to be

it was always true they always knew that it was was true. So what's your view on this? Look, I talk about it. I call it a cult all the time. We call them the city urban liberal types. Sorry, people living in cities, but you're the cult. And what are your thoughts on this? Are they faking it? Are they lying?

Are they just stupid? I agree that it's a cult to some degree. I mean, it looks like a cult if it looks like a cult, right? And smells like a cult. But I think that Andrew Klavan talks about this from time to time. I'm loathe to agree with Andrew Klavan on anything. But on just this one thing, he did christen me the God King. So on these two things, I agree with Andrew. Everything we're living through right now is because we as a species have not evolved to know what to do

with the internet. The Protestant Reformation in many ways was a reaction to the advent of the printing press. It seems funny to us so far down the road from the printing press. The printing press was such a remarkable leap forward in technology for human beings. Suddenly there was information available to everyone that formerly had only been available to the very, very elite few. And to come to grips with that took two generations and a war that wiped out millions of people in Europe, that ripped the church asunder, that ripped the world order asunder. They printed words on paper, and the Protestant Reformation happened basically as a result.

And it's always that way when you have these moments of, in many ways, World War I was a reaction to the Industrial Revolution. When there's these enormous leaps forward in technology, people don't know what to do with it. It takes a generation or two. The internet literally rewires our brains. It has biological ramifications. We have

so much information, more information than any human being knows what to do with. We have not solved how to take in all that information, how to sort through all all that information, how to sort through all of that information, how to come to conclusions. And so what we've done is we've same thing we did when the printing press happened. We've just become more tribal since I can't sort through all the information. I have to believe that Tim knows how to sort through the information.

I have to believe that Jordan Peterson knows how to sort through the information. I have to believe that Ben Shapiro knows how to sort through the information. I have to believe. And the problem with that is some of the sorters are better than others. I was wondering, you know, Joe Biden recently came out and said he referenced the fourth turning, the Strassau generational theory. You're familiar, I imagine. He said, you know, between 1900, 1946, you know, what do you say, 60 million people died. Then there was a liberal world order. There'll be a new world order. I was wondering, we talked a bit about how we brought that up, but I thought to myself

why was it that so many people died between 1900 and 1946? What was the catalyst for these emergent ideologies that opposed each other so fiercely? And I wonder if it was radio. All of a sudden we got serialized radio programs, radio news. Hitler used

mass media. That was how he became Hitler. So imagine you are the average person and there's a handful of newspapers. The newspapers mostly homogenize to maximize profits. So they may have slightly differing views or it might be yellow journalism. But for the most part, your information moves slowly. So radicalization is slow. Along comes radio, which is more rapid. It's on frequently and there's

multiple channels with different perspectives. Now they're finding new audiences because they have more opportunity to send out those messages in real time. I wonder if that played a big role in radicalization, which give or take 10, 20, 30 years results in major clashes and war. Yeah. It's actually a good thing. Most humans don't have time to just live reading the internet and reading the news and sifting through the news. They're busy working for a living. They're busy raising their kids. And so they need people to help them with this fire hose of information that now comes our way.

And, yeah, I'm sure radio was very similar. I'm sure I know the printing press was. One thing I'll say to bring it full circle to my conversation about why conservatives tend not to build the future. It's because, yes, perhaps the Second World War was a result of radio. Perhaps the explosion in the isms, fascism, socialism, communism, anarchism, maybe it was all a result of radio. I think that's a really compelling theory that you bring up. Conservatives did get around to being on the radio, though, in 1980. So I just want to say after 60 million people were killed because of radio, a generation later we got some. No, I think it's an interesting point. And conservatives have done a very poor job keeping up with mass communication, with the artistic fields.

I mean, you look historically, so much of the beautiful art that we see in the West was basically commissioned by the Catholic Church. Nowadays, I mean, what fraction of media does the Catholic Church, let alone any group you'd call conservative in general, control? It's a very small proportion. And I think part of that could just be the nature of the way people who tend to be more, quote unquote, progressive are willing to experiment with new technology. You were sort of discussing the fact that conservative investors would be less likely to put money into an app that they can't see a direct utility in the way a left-wing person might be capable of. I'm not sure. But I also think when we talk about left-wing people today, we're not really talking about the left wing of 20 years ago, even though they have similar ideological roots, because

I think many of them today wouldn't invest in these sorts of technologies. A healthy society needs healthy liberals. The reason conservatives don't—conservatives have never made art, ever. The Catholic Church didn't make any art. It bought art from much more liberal people, like Michelangelo. A healthy society has healthy liberals. An unhealthy society has ascendant leftists. That's a big difference.

I'd have to think about that. Why don't we make gargoyles anymore? Yeah, let's bring it back we should make some put them around the I'm totally doing it we have a lot of work and expansion I'm getting gargoyles because you look at all of these and I'm half kidding about gargoyles

but you look at modern construction it's like glass steel boxes there's no art or inspiration and then I'm thinking about a lot of churches and a lot of older buildings, gargoyles. And I'm like, that sounds kind of like if somebody was a fan of the Lord of the Rings, they'd be like, I'm building a house. I'm going to put a gargoyle in it. You've got to have tubes out of their mouth that shoot fire, though.

Oh, yeah. They're just like, at will, you can push the button. I don't know if that's legal, but we can certainly have it spray water. You just have it shoot electricity or something. You're more conservative than I thought because that's not a non-artistic practical thing that you just suggested. You know, regarding the firehose of information you're talking about with the internet, I would love to be able to understand all the information on the internet without having to read it or watch it. So I'm thinking of Neuralink. It's a bit esoteric because it hasn't come out yet.

And I wonder if it's like we invented the firehose but we don't have any of the mechanism to control it really or very rudimentary. Think about how crazy it's like we invented the fire hose but we don't have any of the the mechanism to to control it really or very about very rudimentary think about how crazy it's going to be when it has its own problem so they actually refer to all the tweets on twitter as the fire hose yeah you know so if you want to access the api for certain information or whatever and some companies do it to set like there's so much information on twitter i gotta tell you they i i would be willing to bet the twitter firehose has been plugged into an AI a long time ago And it's like It knows everything happening It's an oracle

Amazon presents Lisa vs. the Mosquito Surviving 100 million years Mosquito shook off the plate tectonic breakup of Pangea The asteroid that eliminated the dinosaurs And the Ice Age But Lisa shopped on Amazon And bought a can of repellent I should also specify, I don't know if I want to see everything on the internet because the mind can get warped by crazy violence. Real quick, through Twitter's information with everyone posting things, just think about what happens in New York City when, let's say, a transformer explodes. Instantly, you're going to have 3,000 tweets all saying, I heard this explosion. Instantly, those with access to the geolocation data are going to know exactly

where all of those people are. Instantly, the AI is going to be able to get this circle on a map of all these people saying they heard an explosion and then be able to triangulate where the explosion was basically based on how many people are tweeting about it. They'll know exactly where that is. Instantly. Think about anything in that regard

that people might talk about, be it a storm, be it a flood there's going to be ai that has access to this firehose now what happens when you plug into the metaverse and they can download that rapid information people will become like i don't know man what people will become but you'll just know everything all at once and that's that's it's going to be an experience i'll tell you this is funny because you you made this point earlier about how it's good that most people can't just sit online and consume information all day. And we have this saying, right? People joke about going outside and touching grass. It's like, all right, bro, you're too online.

There's this idea of being terminally on the internet to the point where you just can no longer recognize and contend with reality. and so if people do get plugged into that point my goodness i don't even know what political ideology they'll have because some 14 year old will spend hours and hours and hours online and end up in more and more bizarre esoteric corners of political internet and claim that that's their view this is happening and i don't know if you're familiar with this we've talked about it quite a bit uh are you familiar with um elsagate no so this was something that happened uh about four or five years ago where youtube was inundated with people dressing up like elsa from frozen spider-man oh yeah joker and then uh so it was these weird

videos with no length in with like no speaking just music and the joker would chase elsa and spider-man would save her and it was because algorithmically those characters generated a lot of hits and recommendations. So people made content for children. But this began to devolve. Eventually the people who made the content, many of these people realized, it's babies watching this stuff. Babies

can't change the channel. It's the autoplay feeding the content. So they used computer programs to procedurally generate content with these keywords. You ended up with videos that were very bizarre. Like there's one video, one of the most notable in this space was Adolf Hitler, but his body is a woman in a bikini doing Tai Chi as some Indian family sings finger family nursery rhyme. And the Incredible Hulk is also

doing some kind of boxing maneuver. The reason was it didn't matter what the content of the video was. All that mattered was the keywords were in it. Nursery Rhyme, Finger Family, The Hulk. For some reason, Hitler, I guess. These things were shocking and generated recommendations.

Children grew up watching this stuff. When Seamus is talking about their warped perspective, we are going to have – we probably have it now. Ten-year-olds who are unsupervised on the internet watching the craziest stuff you'll never understand, abstract nonsense of the Incredible Hulk and Hitler dancing together. And when those people grow up, they're going to have insane views that make no sense because when we grew up, we're older, right? I think Seamus is the youngest person. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah, he's the youngest person here. My parents were living in reality. All of our parents were living in reality, even with Seamus being the youngest person. But what about one of these

kids who's 10 years old today, when they have their first kid, and the values they transfer down to those children are telling the great story of female Hitler's Tai Chi against the Hulk as their story or whatever. These things are going to be wired into their brain. When I was a little kid, the things that were wired into my brain were Superman, Batman, Star Trek, The Next Generation. Those values carry forward. If little kids are developing around psychotic algorithmic nonsense, they're just going to be insane.

I just typed in Elsagate, too, to get a look. And, I mean, there's some crazy stuff. Girl drinking a beer, like a baby drinking a beer with a Spider-Man. Yo, Elsagate had cartoons on YouTube of little kids drinking urine. This is like R-rated content in the guise of a cartoon. I actually know someone who told me that their child came across content on the Internet that was supposed to be Peppa Pig. And it was actually Peppa Pig describing some extremely violent things and actually basically telling the kids to do violent things. Very disturbing.

Very disturbing. Yeah, I think one of the things that's missing in our culture now is cultural literacy. And it's not a topic that gets discussed much. It probably should be discussed a lot more that when we were kids, the Western canon, which a canon is important because it's essentially a set of stories and ideas that we all share. The Western canon was baked into all of the fiction that we ingested. So I learned the famous story of Tom Sawyer convincing his friends to whitewash the fence, right? That's right.

I learned that from Looney Tunes. I didn't learn it from reading Huck Finn. You couldn't, you know, a seven-year-old can't read Huck Finn, but a seven-year-old could watch Looney Tunes. I learned about classical music from Looney Tunes. I learned about classical music from Looney Tunes. You know, I think that that idea that we have a shared heritage, that we have a shared – even a fictional, a legendary heritage, you know, the stories that we all know is completely gone. And to your point, I think we are already seeing the results of it. There's never been a generation with more psychoses than young people today, right? I mean – I think it's going to get substantially

worse. People don't understand. I've been kind of obsessed with talking about the metaverse. Just because I've been... I read news. I read politics. I read culture. And all of these cultural stories that keep popping up just lead me to the singularity.

I think people call it, Alex Jones calls it that. The metaverse is a path towards this unification of man and machine or whatever. It's a Ray Kurzweil thing. So one of the things I mentioned was that a lot of what we're experiencing in the culture war with the transgender issue is actually due to technological advancement. Now, I'm not making a social commentary on this. I'm making a scientific one. When we isolated hormones and then in the 1960s started creating hormone therapies,

this led to a sort of understanding of what hormones can do to the body, which leads us to the 90s where hormone replacement therapy becomes more popular, which results to in the 90s, you now have prominent adults who have underwent

or undergone hormone replacement therapy. Now sharing those ideas and expanding that idea again not a social commentary scientific one if the debate we're having now because of the existence and the isolation and creation of hormones and that technology has resulted in this culture war debate what will happen when we start shifting into metaverse spaces when we're plugging our brains in or virtual reality to go to work. Already on Twitter, many people use cartoon avatars or animals as their profile picture. What happens if we really do, and I think we will get to that point where we have our business meetings in a high-res metaverse and someone shows up to work and it's Tony the Tiger or

some giant ostrich, and they say, you can't discriminate on me on how I choose to represent myself in the metaverse environment. So right now if you look at New York City's human rights law pertaining to gender identity, it's specifically defined as self-expression. No joke. Literally. It's defined as self-expression. And this is

something I actually... And you're literally not expressing yourself. It's true. Well, I mean – No, it's true. Well, so I covered the story, and I actually called the city, and I called some lawyers to get some understanding on this. This was back in, I think, 2018. It was New York announced that they had 31 genders in their public listing. So their human rights law specifically says, if you are in any of these

categories of gender or gender identity, you are a protected class. If anyone discriminates against you, it's a $125,000 fine. If they willfully discriminate, it's a $250,000 fine. So I looked into the law and it said gender identity is defined as self-expression. They can't discriminate against you based on your name or the way you dress. So I called several human rights lawyers and I asked them for an understanding of this. And I said, how can a workplace determine what is reasonable or not in terms of someone's name and expression and clothing? And they said, well, we all know what's reasonable. A judge knows what's reasonable. That's why judges exist. If you go into their courtroom with something unreasonable, they'll tell you you're unreasonable and it doesn't, it doesn't

fit the law. And I said, okay, what if someone went to Starbucks and they told the person, you know, I want to work here. They get hired. But on their first day, they show up in a full wolf costume with, with like lifts. So they're six foot five. And they say that their name is Volsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists. You can't discriminate on the basis of my name or my clothing. The lawyer, I was told this by several lawyers. They all said, good luck going into a courtroom and telling a judge that you are Volsiferon and they need to allow you to wear a wolf costume in Starbucks. And I said, would not the same thing apply to a man wearing women's clothing whose legal name is John saying his name is Jane? Why would the judge have the discretion to

determine whether or not it falls within the legal definition of self-expression? Because if you're telling me that someone can't choose to be a furry and furries exist and they, and you know, I don't think they're all calling themselves falciferon, but they have, you know, specific names and costumes. Why would a transgender person be afforded rights that another person in a similar fashion would not be? And they had no answer for me, other than we think a judge would find it unreasonable. And then I said, wouldn't it stand to reason then you could appeal and say any judge could find a transgender person unreasonable, and that would create very serious problems

based on this human rights law. That's where I think we're headed. Now, once we get into the metaverse, you're going to see that very same thing happen. You're going to be around people who say, I am a carrot. This is my identity. Identify as carrot. And you won't be able to fire

them or admonish them. You'll have to just say, Robo is a carrot. He works here. You might be able to make it so no one else can see the carrot when they're in the boardroom, but they only see the base avatar or something. I don't know about that. That would be like saying if a protected class of any type,

gender, race, national origin came to a workplace, you could cover them up so none of the customers could see them. You could say like you can express yourself however you want, but you can't make me see you. That's up to me whether or not I see you. Tough questions, man, because they're saying in workplaces you have to use pronouns. Well, and it's interesting because one of the points you made was that somebody said, well, good luck getting in front of a judge and having them take that argument seriously. I don't think you need luck. It's possible you just need a couple of years because our social structures are shifting so quickly

that even going to court as a transgender person and saying I am a woman trapped in a man's body, you're discriminating against me if you don't acknowledge that, I mean 20, 30 years ago a judge would have said that's absolutely absurd. But today they wouldn't. This is actually why things are moving so quickly that even we can't carry on a real conversation about what's actually occurring. When any of us sit at a table and we talk about the trans issue, we still use terms like men and women.

We still think fundamentally if a man says that he's a woman, if a man named John walks into Starbucks and says, I'm a woman, and we think that that's what the trans conversation is really about. But when you read statistics like 40% of kids now are trans or whatever these crazy statistics are, they're not having conversations about being men trapped in women's bodies. They're having conversations that are so far beyond that. It's not always the furry conversation, but to your point, there are 33, there are 72, there are 40. The number of genders, it's sort of like when conservative parents say, oh, I can put my kid in college. It was liberal when I was there, and I came out just fine. And you're like, you have no idea what's actually happening on a college campus right now.

This is exactly my point, that because of the 90s and the technological advancement around HRT, 30 years later, we're having a conversation around transgender issues. But kids today, they're talking about otherkin. Are other kin. Are you familiar with other kids? People who think they're mythical beasts or mythical animals. And when it comes to the metaverse, this won't be a question. They will be. They will be. And give it 50 years. If we're neural linked into alternate realities and digital realities, a lot of the work, the work we're doing right now could be held in a metaverse space with high quality microphones and ultra high, you know, ultra, you know, 10K, 12K video. We could, we don't have to be sitting in the same room or fly people out. We could all put on our headsets and then people will watch a video of us in a room together. Isn't that crazy? They'll sit in the room. Yeah, exactly. I was going to say someone could place

themselves in that chair. And you know, what funny is 10 years ago I pitched this to Vice. I pitched it to Fusion. I said we do a show where in one chair it's a 360 – what's the word? Binocular – what's the word? I just call it camera. Stereoscopic. Oh, cool. Stereoscopic 360 view, which allows you to see like you're actually there.

But the resolution was really bad but we could still try it that's coming now if you get to the point where you can actually have full sensory feedback like neural link would potentially allow you to do if we can actually wire a brain people are literally going to be like in this space i am volsif around the wolf lord of you know the the arboreal forest and you'll be watching a show of a giant wolf creature and it will look like reality and the wolf will be like i take issue with the president's anti-wolf policies and people are going to be like wow it must be crazy being a wolf yeah and then that person will become a ceo and the boomers will still be presidents in real life they'll still run the

whole thing uh i i think what you're saying is, but I do want to challenge us a little bit. It is the nature of contrarians and the nature of conservatives. Not that I want to label you all as that, contrarians, though. To look at the future and only see the worst things that can happen. And the worst things that can happen will happen. I'm not suggesting that those things won't occur. You're right. They will occur.

So this is a point I was making with a few other people. Me describing the potential future through the metaverse is not a moral statement, good or bad, about it. It's just something I see as a potential. But you do see it as something bad. Yeah, and I think that the potential that you're outlining, some version of it will come to pass. It's not that when we look ahead and say,

oh, we're going to have to be in business meetings with Vilsiferon, that we're wrong. That is one of the things that will occur. Everything that people put their hands to, because people are fallen, because people are broken, the things that we create reflect our brokenness. But they don't exclusively reflect our brokenness. And I think that what we have to do, people in this room, people who think in the directions that people in this room think,

we have to be active parts of the construction of the future so that it doesn't just represent our brokenness. It can also represent a lot of the good things, a lot of the values that we share, a lot of the things that we would like to see expanded. Here's what I want you to consider, too, something that most people probably don't realize. If the metaverse reality comes to pass where you can choose your identity, you, Jeremy, will be sitting at a Daily Wire meeting. You'll have hired a young man named Ricky Smith. But when he shows up on the first day in the metaverse, he looks identical to you.

And he says, my name is Jeremy. This is my identity. And if you were tallied against me because of my identity, that's discrimination on the basis of who I am in my name. And they want to be you. People don't want to be themselves. The people who look up to you, they'll just say, I'm going to be this person. The number of people who wish that they were me is

staggeringly low. Can you imagine being in the metaverse, walking down the street and then there's like 10 of you and then they look at you and they're like, you're not the real Jeremy, are you? And you're like, no, no, not me. And they're like, okay. Do you have the IP of your own likeness?

You'll have to buy a non-fungible token of yourself. You will have to pay someone else for it. This is very interesting because modern media law, when Disney has a contract with the guy playing Thor, what's that guy's name? Chris?

Chris Hemsworth. They own his likeness in perpetuity forever in every universe henceforth. Which means if they ever want to make a deep fake with Chris Hemsworth saying whatever they want, they own that. They own Chris Hemsworth's likeness now. This was a plot of 30 Rock episode where Jack Donaghy took all of the Seinfeld episodes because they own the likeness of Jerry Seinfeld and superimposed him into other shows. So they would take... And then Jerry Seinfeld finds out and he gets really mad. So we need to rewrite Entertainment Lobby.

Just really, really funny, because I love the show. Jerry Seinfeld finds out and he's like, I could buy your network ten times over. And then Jack's like, you don't have four million dollars left. We're going to need to rewrite entertainment law really rapidly, too, because I don't think corporations should own the likeness to actors anymore because of the deep fake meta net that we're entering. That's interesting.

That's actually a really good point. I've been excited about these technological advances because of Star Trek, the animated series, which is an old one. But here's here's the thing that occurred to me recently is that some of the best Star Trek writing in the third season of the original series of Star Trek is garbage. The first season is some of the best sci fi ever written. And the animated series is some of the best sci fi that was ever written. And it occurred to me very recently after the next generation that we're moments away from them making live action versions of star trek the animated series with the original cast it's already their voices they voiced the animated characters and now a remake an animated remake would essentially be deep fake level reality right they can just make that show now and they

can put jerry seinfeld in it and then j Seinfeld will show up. With the Romulans. So it would be like a basic human right is you own the IP to your likeness forever henceforth. But I think there's an argument to be made. Unless you trade it for some Ethereum. If you need Ethereum. Now I'm not saying this is the argument I would make, but someone who is in favor of people being

able to redistribute their likeness would say, well, you own it, therefore you have a right to sell it. So you could sell it to a network. That's where you're going to get hit own it, therefore you have a right to sell it, so you could sell it to a network. That's where you're going to get hit with. Maybe you're not legally allowed to sell it, but maybe license it with a sunset clause. I mean, just Ready Player One, have you guys seen it?

I mean, people were cartoon characters. They would go into the game and they'd make themselves whatever they wanted, you know? And in fact, in that movie, there was one of the in-game characters, a dude, was actually a woman in real life. It's not that there – it's not that like the Gnostic heresy version of the metaverse won't come to pass. It will. Gnostic heresy version.

But there will also be – there's also beauty to be found in the future. We have to go build it. We are not victims of circumstance. The worst thing to be as a human is someone who perceives themselves as powerless, perceives themselves only to be a victim of sort of the fates around them, right?

We can go make it. We can make it better. We can answer some of these questions in advance. We can build structures that constrain some of the worst excesses that could come to pass, but we won't. We'll just say 30 years later that we should have had our own metaverse. I think we will. We'll build this metaverse with free software

so that you can see the algorithm codes and you know if it's extracting your thoughts or not, and then you'll be able to pass it off and create new metanets that will all interoperate and you'll have an open system. Babies will be born, and the doctor will say to the parents, do you want the,

we can do the Neuralink implant today. We can do it right now while your baby's in the other room. And they'll say, oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, truth be told, what will likely happen is they'll call you on the phone and be like, hello, Mr. Johnson,

your test tube baby was born and we did the Neuralink implant. You can pick them up at five by click. The next generation is the opposite of the original series because the first season sucks and the third season starts to be good i think it gets better and better it was awkward no you don't you don't think the first season introduces q that is absurd it was awkwardly acted i thought that is absurd it's funny it all started the best of both worlds is the greatest achievement in the history of television

until game of thrones and and after the and Thrones. And after the best of both worlds, it becomes a great television show. That's an episode, the best of both worlds? It's two episodes. Oh, which one is? Locutus of Borg. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, yeah, yes.

Borg was such good writing, too. It's unbelievable. And after that, they brought the high collar in, they got the cooler phasers, they got the new model, everything got cool. But man, those first couple seasons, they brought the high collar in. They got the cooler phasers. They got the new model. Everything got cool. But man, those first couple seasons, it's the love boat in space. I love it.

I love all of it. This is our Western canon. The future generations need to know Star Trek. It's Disney, man. Disney is not Disney anymore. I post this clip because there are so many people who are naysayers. I'm surprised there are people who would watch a show like this but also be like, I'm not watching Star Trek. And I'm just like, no, no, no.

You don't understand. We're not talking about – wouldn't it be cool to be in a spaceship with lasers? We're talking about naval tradition. We're talking about military officers defending the freedom and civil liberties of individuals going to planets where they experience terrorism, that line when Data goes to Picard and says, I'm having trouble understanding the conduct of these people, they're engaging in terrorism. And then Picard says, I do not subscribe to the belief that political power is derived from the barrel of a gun. And then Data says, but if you look at history and the names, like two real examples but then fictional future examples where terror actually worked. And Picard's like, these are questions that humanity struggles with. Like, that's why the show is good.

The philosophical and moral explorations. And I was being somewhat facetious, but there is a component to the fact that Star Trek did often include the great work. So they referenced Shakespeare. You have episodes about Greek mythology. They really included things that today most people are completely unaware of, which is sad, but you could actually learn about them from star trek and then start to do a deep dive because kids aren't learning it in school that's right yeah i do

have a special soft spot for like laser beams though when they like roughhouse with an alien you know what costume i do too one of my least favorite things about all the new iterations of star trek starting with the jj abrams and all the way through picard right now is that they've basically gotten rid of phasers and everything's just a Star Wars-style blaster now. Phasers to stun, man. They call them phasers, but they don't have beams. They're like little bolts.

They were little clickers. In the next generation, they were miniaturized little clickers they would just point, which would be very difficult to aim. Oh, yeah. I think every time I watch the next generation, I just think,

you just killed everybody. You'll see. Like, what is this? I wonder if they aim themselves. One of the things that was positive about it, and the reason my dad used to watch it with us as kids is because his view, he told us when we got older, is that it was very much a positive influence because they would exhaust every peaceful option they could, but they would still fight when they had to. So it wasn't completely pacifist, but they were all about seeking the non-violent

solution when possible. And they didn't hesitate in the face of threat. They would fight immediately. Exactly. They would fight when they needed to. The original series was so pro-American. I grew up in the next generation. I love the next generation. I'm a sucker for all Star Trek. But the original series is

morally and philosophically so much better because it's deeper and richer it was at the height of real sci-fi especially the first season and a half where they really were asking all these questions for the first time and you have these episodes where like captain kirk will beam down to a planet that is utopia everyone there has all the food they can eat. It never rains. There's no hail. There's no weather. Everything is perfect. And he'll look around and say, this place is crap.

I'm going to go destroy the computer that has made you all mental slaves. And he'll ruin their utopia to set them free. And you talk about things you can't do on television now. You could never say that utopia is bad because people aren't free. That's so true.

That's an interesting topic. This is what people have pointed out. Have you been following the new Picard? Oh, yeah, of course. I don't think I'm going to watch it. Yeah, I didn't even bother. I didn't mind season one of Picard. But season two, for those that aren't aware, is about, what is it, the 2022s or whatever?

The 2020, yeah. 2022, 20s or whatever. 2024. 20, well, so the Star Trek crew, Picard, which are in the future, have to transport themselves back in time to 2024 because something happened that turned Earth into a human supremacist planet.

Right. And I'm just like, yo, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Political propaganda. It's absolutely absurd, by the way. And I've seen every episode that's out is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Political propaganda. It's absolutely absurd, by the way. And I've seen every episode that's out so far. I can't help myself.

But I'm such a sucker for nostalgia. And the first season of Picard is terrible. But when you get to the end and we get the actual Data Picard death scene that we were robbed of in the films, you go, yeah, I'll follow you guys through the gates of hell. Tell me how all all humans are fascists i'm in i want to i want to know yeah they never talk about vulcan supremacists it's interesting but vulcans don't have institutional powers so they're not the first thing is it's clear that the picard series is just you know member berries remember the book remember picard and then like they meet everyone it's like oh like yo just give me a series that follows deep space nine in in the continuity and we can move beyond the dominion war whatever for those that

are fans and uh but instead what they're doing is we're going back in time again and the characters they bring back you know so uh you've watched the first two episodes i'd imagine of picard first four yeah first four already out man i've been working too much um but q does not feel like you you know when when he's like this is not a lesson picard it's penance i'm like come on yeah he was the guy who showed up with the mariachi band smoking a cigar and dancing not some like torture of some great message or anything he was chaotic yeah you're not with him you're not you're not allowed to have fun this is what's different now you're not allowed every have fun. This is what's different now. You watch ads at the Super Bowl, and they're all important. The words you would use for the ad agent, they would say, this was an important ad at the Super Bowl, or this was a beautiful ad at the Super Bowl,

or this was a touching ad at the Super Bowl. Yeah, but what are the really funny ads at the Super Bowl? People keep writing in telling me that the Jeremy's Razor shameless plug, you can see it at IHateHarris.com, commercial. Hundreds of people are writing it. This is the best commercial I've ever seen. I'm very proud of the commercial. It's not the best commercial that's ever been made. Why they're responding

that way is because it is the best commercial that's been made in a decade. It's the first commercial in a decade where you can just laugh at it. It's good. It's like Fall. What's that movie? Fall Guy? Is that what it is with Ryan Reynolds? Fall Guy? Is that what it is with Ryan Reynolds? Fall Guy? Is that what it's called?

No, no. Is that what the movie is called? Which one? When? Some movie that just came out where he's like – Adam Friedman? Free Guy, I think. Free Guy. Free Guy.

It felt like Free Guy but like almost like produced like on that level. And I just wanted to add my compliments to the commercial were so good. The Daily Wire actually – They picked that one up. Pushed my video out because. Good commentary from Tim. Yeah, we need more like that. You mentioned these people seeing their advertisements as important. And this is one of these things that if they could just step out of their little box for three seconds, they would understand how ridiculous it is.

Just the phrase like, this is going to be the most important Coca-Cola commercial of all time. I want to go back to, let's wrap this back to Star Trek. How and why does a network, a company say, we have this IP, this popular IP. We have decades of storytelling and movies and series. Let's just put them in 2024 to fight Trump. I know why. That has nothing to do with any of the history. Like if you want to make a show about time travelers who fight Donald Trump, make the show. I'd probably watch it anyway just to see what you're talking about but why make picard do it and they and then star trek discovery

stacy abrams shows up as the president of united earth wow oh she actually got cheated out of that election who are they speaking to themselves they're speaking to themselves i honestly wonder if they're even doing that it's funny we were oh man i really wanted to get into this earlier but it blew past us and now's the perfect time to segue to it. You were discussing the Western canon. And part of why it's so important to tell good stories is because it's where people get their morality from. Yes, it helps to give people moral precepts and principles, but ultimately people are going to act on the basis of who they admire and the stories that they know. And so part of why they need to change these stories is because though they weren't perfect, some of them actually had decent values.

And so what you need to do is retcon them and shove your own values into it so that you can control people. This is what people say because I tweeted a video from The Next Generation where an Admiral at Starfleet orders Data to give up his child to the state, and Picard is like, no, and he risks his career. He says men of good conscience will defy orders. To watch, to compel a man to give his child to the state, not while I'm captain. And I was like, man, that was so awesome. And then everyone said the new Picard series, he would do the opposite. He would say for the betterment of the family we must allow you know and and for

safety and security that's what that's that's the message we'd get across now from picard like his values are gone yeah and that's kind of sad to me the character should have been left left just as as as it was but they can't they can't do it they can't they need to change it they can't create they can't make new things they have to pervert what other people have already this is this is true which is why they take this long historic this is long history uh history show and then change it but it's also they want to destroy the the character picard represented the values you represented they want to take him away as a role model from people who believed in these civil libertarian values this is one of the reasons that we got into making movies at Daily Wire is because so much content that exists now exists to tell you that you don't deserve these characters.

And so like, you know, you see it in these superhero movies quite a lot. Like you watch the beginning of Endgame and Captain America, who in the first in the first Avengers movie, Captain America says, you know, there's only one God and he doesn't wear tights. He's a character from the 1940s who goes to, lies about his age to go fight the Nazis. He wears red, white, and blue and literally is called America. That's the character. And then he gets frozen in ice

and he wakes up in the 20th century and by endgame, it opens up and he's in this counseling session and we have to have the reveal that the person who is sharing an insight with him is a married gay man a gay married gay man i would say a gay married gay man because gay men have been married throughout all of human history and it didn't mean what we mean now right uh it's a gay married gay man and what why do they do why do that you can say well it's to be inclusive it's to show people that even gay

married gay men have a place in the world but that that's not why they do it. If that's why they did it, I might even go, okay, we can live. That isn't the motive. The motive is to say, all of you red state flyover MAGA hat wearing, love America, wear red, white, and blue guys. Literal Captain America doesn't belong to you. You don't get to claim him. He belongs to us. We can give him any set of values that we want. In fact, if you watch that whole Marvel Avengers arc, remarkably, Captain America becomes the renegade character during Civil War,

and Iron Man, Tony Stark, becomes the representative of state power. Like, it's an unbelievable inversion of those characters because they don't know what the characters mean. It's not because they don't know. It's because they actually reject what the characters stand for. Hold on. You're not familiar with the Captain America Nomad arc? I'm not, no.

Captain America – I haven't read all this stuff. It was before my time. But there was a period where Captain America abandoned the name and called himself Nomad because the point they were making was if you truly believe in America, you don't always stand by the government for whatever it does. So that's a general idea. I actually thought Civil War was fairly well done. I mean Captain America was the guy saying I'm not going to sign over my rights to the state. I'm not going to sign over my rights to the state. I'm an individual. And Tony Stark is a corporate warmonger who's like, the state is right.

Sign over. We have to. I thought the politics in that were fairly good, albeit the Marvel movies are like kindergarten-grade entertainment. Captain America's war propaganda was created to fight Nazis and get people riled up about World War II. And keep that in mind forever moving forward that that was war propaganda. Well, I want to make this point. Part of why it's so instructive that it's Captain America is because the left has this fetish for projecting their values onto the people who fought the Second World War. So they're always claiming that they're the ones fighting Nazi.

You'll see memes floating around of the brave young men storming Normandy. And it says, this is antifa trying to fight nazis um i did a cartoon about this a while ago called fighting nazis then verse now and what it was based on was this exact premise because my grandfather fought in the second world war he played a very key role in in uh ensuring that the um officers at the flossenberg concentration camp were caught and placed on trial. He really had an incredible and harrowing tour. And he would not use your pronouns. I mean, this is not somebody who's going to or would comply with left-wing values.

Yeah, exactly. I made a whole cartoon about this point. But it's so funny to me that the left wants to claim that they own these people, even though if they were alive today and those who are alive today from that era don't agree with them at all if they even think about them. Yeah, I wonder if the speed at which we're communicating, the bifurcation of culture, it's leading to some say peaceful divorce perhaps because of the internet. It could be something we haven't seen in the past or civil war maybe. But I just don't see how there's any reconciliation with the modern iteration of the left sphere of influence because the things they believe are just not aligned with reality. I think it comes to the individual clearing – like having slowing down their thoughts because if your mind is moving super rapidly with the information, like a car traveling so fast on the road, a minor variation in the wheel will send that thing flying off course.

And the same thing happens to your brain if it's on overload activity all the time. So it's really, I don't think there's a top-down solution. It'll be up to people to control themselves and let this stuff flow past them while still acknowledging it. Are we doomed, or is it going to be all right? I don't think we're doomed. I think both. I think things could get bad for a while.

I think things might get bad for a while. I wouldn't say that we're doomed, though. I mean, it's a pretty easy prediction to say that things are going to get bad for a while, but also in the long run, I don't know how things are going to turn out. My mentality is very much like, I've got to be honest with everybody, I had it bad most of my life up until my mid-20s when for the next few years, my career started taking off and things started generally improving. And so for me, my attitude has always kind of just been like, yo, all of this is icing on the cake. If people were unwilling to fight for their values and everything fell apart, the food shortages get really bad.

And I wake up in six months homeless and with no food. I'd be like, oh, been there, done that. I'm not really worried about it. Granted, I don't have a family, so a lot of people who do would be much more terrified of something like that. If tomorrow all the things were gone, I'd work for all my life. Oh, yeah. If you had to start again with just your children and your wife?

Oh, here we go. Yeah. Make my life a start. No, I just – there's a – I think it was Zuby who said this that if you took all of the property from every single person and then gave everyone $10,000

the people who were rich before would become rich and the people who were poor before would become poor this is a hard conversation maybe we can go to another after show because it really comes down to eugenics this concept of eugenics where it came from and what it all means. Like the fact that people even think of themselves as an elite class and that there's everybody else and that or the plebeians is what the Romans called them. And then there's the central intelligentsia. I don't know.

Is that real? Like we just like you just stated. A lot of things are real. A lot of things that are unseemly are real but not everything that's real is is um not everything that's true is capital t truth like i think that one of the problems this kind of comes back to the ideology dogma thing we we sometimes take observations that we make or measurements that we make things that are true and because you're not allowed to say a lot of things that are true in our culture right now um it's it's uh subversive to even think about them

and the result the result of that is that whenever you do engage with those ideas you're engaging in them in the worst places possible with people who are like probably taking them to the furthest extreme and it becomes easy for us to so you know like you become a eugenicist in your mind like hitler was in the 20s and 30s or something which is obviously a grave evil thing i mean mean, it's an obvious truth that simply because something is generally true, it's not specifically true, that because, for example, Asian Americans have a higher IQ than white Americans, just to avoid any of the races you're not allowed to talk about.

There's nothing racist about talking ill of Asians, right? So Asians statistically higher IQ than white people. The smartest person in the world could be a white person. And it would still be true that statistically Asians have a higher IQ. So you end up in a situation where the truth about the general truth can sometimes blind us to the specific truth. And that's where I think that's where a lot of tribalism, a lot of isms come from that aren't good. You get into the nuance of what does it mean to be Asian? Are you referring specifically to like Southeast Asian? Are you referring to the Philippines? Are you referring to India? Of course. And then those things all play a role. I think the problem with

stereotypes is that people hear the word Asian, they exclude Indians. But particularly in Europe, you say the word Asian and they include Indians. So we're not even necessarily hitting at the same points. Yeah, I agree. I'm only making the point that when we talk about these difficult issues like eugenics, are some people born with advantages? Of course they are. People are born with high IQs and people are born with low IQs. More people are born with low IQs than people are born with high IQs. One of the challenges in ordering society is not judging people based on those generalities. But that doesn't mean that there aren't specific realities that people are different. There are people born with advantages.

You can leave IQ out of it. IQ is the hardest thing to talk about because everyone is the smartest person they know. It's just your ability to perceive someone smarter than you is capped by your own intelligence. Love it. But it's very easy for me to acknowledge that LeBron James is capped by your own intelligence. Love it. But it's very easy for me to acknowledge that LeBron James is better than basketball than I am. And you could say, if I practiced really hard, I could be better than – no, I couldn't. If I practiced really hard, I could be better than me.

But no amount of practice will make me better than LeBron. If LeBron didn't practice and I did practice, he would still be better than me. Now, if we played a game of LeBron and I play a game of pig and instead of playing pig, we just play. And LeBron says whoever wins this game of gets a million dollars. I might win the million dollars every now and then he misses. And every now and then I don't. But if you make it pig, his chances go up exponentially. If you make it pig, they go up even radically. If you make it horse, I will never win statistically ever. There's no world where I will ever win that. He has those advantages. There's no question about those advantages.

Let's go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends if you really do like it and you want to help us out, and go to TimCast.com. Sign up to become a member to support our work, and we're going to have a members-only segment going live on the website around 11 or so p.m. You're not going to want to miss it. It'll be fun. But let's read some super chats. All right. We got Rilo who says, Applebee's is celebrating inflation because it kills competition and makes people poor.

They note that more poor people means more disposable employees they can underpay and overwork. Applebee's hates you. I'm not familiar with that. Is that something specific? I didn't hear anything about that. Maybe this guy just got fired by Applebee's. What if they just really don't like Applebee's? I'm going to Google this now.

Patriot American says, Happy birthday to my fellow Irish-American brother, Seamus. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Very kind. Oh you you guys are too nice I worked really really hard to make a cake for Seamus it was insulting honoring his Irish heritage

I drew gold coins that's what the Redskins said and I wrote McBirthday that means son of birthday. It's just racist. And this is a great- Everyone here is Irish.

This is a great way of looking back at the problem with stereotyping. Exactly. You know, if I take a shot and he takes a shot, statistically, I could become the alcoholic or he could become the alcoholic. But if there's three shots- Also, I'm a writer, too. So Irish plus writer, I'm in even worse shape. Game over.

I think the joke's funny because Seamus is an American guy from the south side of Chicago. Yeah, exactly. We're constantly calling him... I spent most of my life in the suburbs, let's be real. I can't take all that street credit. All right. Grayson says, it's not just about building culture. You have a culture and history already.

You need to make people proud of the history and culture they already are a part of, not forget it and do something else. It's true. Yeah, I think it's true. I don't think it's all of the – I don't think that's enough, but that is a major part of it, and it's a part that we haven't talked about much tonight. So I think it's good that they pointed out. American Advocate says, I'm so proud of The Daily Wire. They're not afraid of conversation or debate. The biggest cojones in America. I'm all

in. Latinos for America. There you go. Wow. That's amazing. Thank you. We take it as a responsibility, but I'll also say we're just having a good time, too. And I think that that's part of what differentiates the Daily Wire is that we enjoy what we do. Man, my thing is like, have fun.

If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong. All right. Hayden says, Jeremy, I'm from the doing it wrong. That's the point, yeah. All right. Hayden says, Jeremy, I'm from the Lubb area. Thanks for what you've built. You hate credentialism. My question is how would you recommend somebody get started in learning about video production? Working at Daily Wire has become a goal. Is SPC an option?

They've gone woke. Yep. I went to SPC for a period of time. I didn't ever go to a university. I didn't get a college degree. I didn't even get an associate's degree. And I failed at everything that I did in life, basically, until I was 35. I'd never made more than $25,000 in a year in personal income. I had businesses that made more money than that. I just paid it to other people and didn't understand how to pay myself. And as a result, I had disconnected

my own personal success from the success of these entities. I had created sort of a false and crippling moral paradigm for myself. And obviously now I'm spectacularly wealthy, and people bow to me and call me God. So my first thing, as a guy from the Lubbock area, as a guy who went to SBC, I just want to encourage you that it doesn't matter what advantages you start life with.

It doesn't matter what advantages come your way. You can make of life what you will. You can set your mind to something, and you can go accomplish it. That's not true for everyone in every place. It is true if you're born in this country. The proof is all around you. Opportunity is everywhere. You just have to learn, grow, challenge yourself.

Never be complacent. Don't stand still. Don't be risk averse. If you want security, you can have it. But if you want the kind of success that you're describing, you actually have to go risk for it. Now, as to how does one get the small steps, how does one get into video production?

How does one get even a job at the Daily Wire? I think that there's no substitute in life for doing. There are those in life who do, and there are those who do not. And this is my famed Jeremy's doers and do notters speech. No one has ever been happy to receive it. No one has ever satisfied. They'll say, how do you do thus and such? I give this speech. They always think there's more. There isn't more. There are those who do, and there are those who this speech. They always think there's more. There isn't more. There are those who do and there are those who do not. When I moved to Hollywood,

I thought I'm a smart guy. If I just met Steven Spielberg and he could tell me how to make a movie, I could take that and go make a movie. And then it was only after years of struggling in Hollywood that I came to realize that Steven Spielberg,

if I did get that meeting, what would he tell me? He would say, oh, you want to know how to make a movie? No problem. Find a book written by a famous author that you really like

that sold a lot of copies. Give him a million dollars for a two-year option on that book. Then go take meetings with 10 of the best writers in the world. Pay one of them

a million dollars to write a draft. You won't like the draft, so you'll pay the second guy on the list half a million dollars to rewrite the draft. When you have a draft that you like, call your buddy Tom Cruise and say, would you like to play the lead in this? He'll say, yeah, and I'll be over for burgers this weekend. Now you've got him.

Go to your business partners at your own studio that you own. Have them architect the foreign sales deal piece of this. And then go to the major studio with whom you have a direct distribution deal and trigger it, and they'll release it. Now you can make your movie. What good would that information do me if I had it? The real question you want to ask is, Steven Spielberg, how could I make a movie?

And the answer to that would be, oh, I have no idea. Steven Spielberg knows less about how you could be successful than anyone. What you should do instead is realize that how did Steven Spielberg himself did it? Well, he just did it. He was a those who do, not a those who do not. This is what I tell people because one of the most frustrating things I hear all the time is either, Tim, you're able to do things because you have money. And I'm like, it's the other way around. It's because I did things, I have money. And people saying, if only I had money, I could do things.

And I'm like, that's just not true. I've seen it. I worked for Fusion. They put hundreds of millions of dollars into nothing, flushed down the toilet. Money doesn't make things happen. People do. So whenever people are like, how do I do something? I'm like, you just do it. How do I film these videos?

I don't have a computer. I don't have cameras. I don't have all this stuff. Do you have a phone? You do. Most people do. If you don't, truth be told, maybe you don't. But phones, you can get an Android phone for no joke like $20 to $30. Not a good one. You can get a webcam for $20 to $30. You can go stand in a street corner

in any major city and hold up a sign saying, once I get $20 bucks i'm going to buy a webcam to start a show that's all i need and in 10 minutes i guarantee you someone will walk over and hand you 20 bucks that is american privilege because we do that not i'm not saying it's the best thing to do but how about this you go work for a fast food restaurant you work until you make save up a couple couple hundred bucks to buy a computer and a camera and then you can start making videos and then then you just have to earn it. The idea that people are going to watch your content, it's got to be earned. I was just talking about this band I knew a long time ago. Me and we were driving in a car. We were listening to this old music. And someone said, what happened to him? I'm like, they broke up because the lead singer was like,

if my music was so good, how come I'm not famous? And then I was like, bro, you can't just write a song and then think you're going to be famous. Like you've got to work for 10 years. You've got to keep playing. You've got to do, you got to put in so much work and effort. I got started doing all of this stuff technically well before I was 25, because I was working at nonprofits. I was involved in politics. I was reading the news all day, every day since I was 15. So when Occupy Wall Street started and I went to cover it, I already knew a lot about what had been going on. This allowed me to, you know, it's all one thing after another. But let's read some more Super Chats.

Yeah, I love that story. And this, to me, nothing we've talked about tonight is more important than this. We've hit on it in several different ways, but this idea that you're just a victim of your circumstances is the most crippling,

the victim mentality is the most crippling ideology that has ever been unleashed on an individual. You, again, not everywhere. There are people born in true hardship around the world. In this country, you can do so. I love Gary Vaynerchuk for this reason. I love that on Saturdays he goes out and buys crap at garage sales and then sells it and shows that anyone could have done what he just did. You know the story of the guy who traded the paperclip for a house, right?

That's right. But several people have replicated this in various ways. A guy took a paperclip and he traded it up and up and on Craigslist or whatever the story was. Paperclip for a pen, pen for a notepad, notepad for a pack of pens. Eventually, he got to a lawnmower, then a bike, then a broken motorcycle. Eventually, it got to a lawnmower, then a bike, then a broken motorcycle. Eventually, it was a boat. And then sooner or later, he traded it for an old house, got the deed from a paperclip. The difference between a piece of paper and a million-dollar screenplay is what comes out of your brain and goes onto that page.

That's it. Let's read some more. All right. David Short says, hey, Tim, just bought my first 10 chicks. Please ask Jeremy where the razors are made. That's a non sequitur. Yeah, it is. Our razors are made in China.

We source them through Finland. There are no razors made in America. Interesting. Razors are not made in America. Listen, one of the reasons it took us a year to get our razor out is because we were trying to source razors. It's a very challenging thing. A razor is a thing that cuts people. Yes. So a lot of people don't want to make them. There are straight razors made in America. There aren't cartridge razors made in America.

We haven't talked about this much publicly. A lot of people will write into me all the time and say, because I'm conservative, and they'll be like, oh, you make your leftist tears tumblers in China. I'm canceling. And I always think, you wrote that on a computer or a phone that was made in China. I don't understand. It's not, I didn't decide to export all of America's manufacturing jobs overseas.

That happened when I was a child. This is the world that I live in. I want to change that world, but the reality of how to change that world is it takes time, success, and money. Just our leftist tears tumblr is a great example. We have priced out what it would cost to manufacture the tumblers in America. Just the equipment would cost $20 million.

So the cost of a tumbler would go from $20 per tumbler, not to people say, you just do it to save a few cents or a few bucks. No, no, no. The cost of the tumbler would go from twenty dollars to two hundred dollars per tumbler in raw material like or which means like it is it's not impossible it is it is practically impossible it is not actually it's prohibitively uh now will we ever make our razors in america will we ever make our tumblers in america well i'm telling you what it would cost to make the tumblers in america I know, because we're always researching how to change the paradigm where all of our manufacturing is overseas. We do think that

we have a constructive role to play in that, but it's a role that one can only play out of success. We've talked to our friends over at Black Rifle Coffee, for example, about buying tumbler-making equipment together, starting a joint venture. It takes real resources. It takes real success to make these razors in America. Four days ago, I did not own a razor company. Today, I've sold 25,000 razor subscriptions.

To do that requires buying razors where they already make razors. If we sell a million razor subscriptions, we'll build a razor company in America and we'll change things. And by the way, if we get a million subscribers, it won't just be our razors where they already make razors. If we sell a million razor subscriptions, we'll build a razor company in America and we'll change things. And by the way, if we get a million subscribers, it won't just be our razors that are made in America. Once we build the

infrastructure to make razors in America, other companies will come source razors from us. So it's not that I'm opposed to the where is this made question. I get a little bent out of shape about this because I think people don't really understand how much we have exported overseas

in terms of manufacturing and how much money and time it's going to take to fix that and to think that, well, you shouldn't be able to start, if you're a real American, you wouldn't even start a company until you could make the razors in America,

which just means that you can't make anything. I want to eventually manufacture things in America, which we will do in success. Absolutely. I love that people think, you know, a lot of people I saw on Twitter were saying, like, I can't believe the Daily Wire would do this. And I'm just like, I wonder if, do you think that you, like the Daily Wire guys aren't thinking about that when they, you know, why are they making that in China?

It's like, I'm pretty sure they know what people are going to say if they do and why they have to. Yeah, like these microphones were made in China and these laptops were made in China. That gorilla was made in China. It's going to take time to change that. Maybe there's a gorilla on there. Let's see what he says here. He's definitely Chinese.

This one has, is that Chinese on the packaging? I don't know. This is a gift from Luke Rutkowski. That is Chinese. It's definitely part of the earth. Luke Rutkowski sent a birthday present made in China. I'm not against it. Is this a mug made in China?

No, we tried. Yeah, we should change it. Yeah, this mug was made in China. I'd love to change it. You want to know the craziest thing? Tell me. How they make skateboards. Wood from Canada gets shipped to the U.S., then shipped to China, turned into a skateboard, and shipped back to the U.S.

That sounds like the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A lot of people are taking a cut on that. Chinese labor is so cheap that it's cheaper to ship all of that wood all over the place than just make it here in the U.S. It's also the EPA. Very famously, Steve Jobs said only a year or two before he died, he said, if we had not been able to make the iPhone, if I had been required to make the iPhone in America, just the process of innovating around the class for the screen on the iPhone, he said,

I don't remember what iPhone we were on when Steve Jobs died, iPhone 6 or iPhone 6S or something. He said, we would not be at iPhone 1 yet if I had to make it in America. And that's because environmental laws, and you could say environmental laws

that Steve Jobs supported. I'm not giving you not ag i'm giving you a steve jobs hagiography i'm just telling you if a guy worth billions and billions and billions of dollars couldn't manufacture in america have a little grace for those of us who are trying to start things from the ground up mike allen says if you joined late and are listening at 1.5 times speed to catch up jeremy sounds like ben shapiro oh, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. All right. Josh, oh my gosh, says, how the frick can I get an acting job with The Daily Wire?

I need a job I can enjoy. I'm an entertainer and I can't stand Hollywood. Please let Jeremy know. I will send my resume to him. Yeah. Look, we need talent. One of the challenges in our work is because we're very front-facing,

because we're very public, a lot of people ask us for jobs, and obviously you can't hire everyone who asks you for a job. But we are looking for real talent. We're looking for real talent in our entertainment business. We're looking for real talent in the manufacturing and distribution of consumer goods business, which suddenly we have. We're looking for real executive and leadership and management talent at The Daily Wire. Scaling a business is incredibly hard. Everything about being successful is hard. There's a great line in an episode of Breaking Bad when the villain is making soup,

and he says to Walter White, you must learn to be rich. To be poor, anyone can manage. And it's true. Everyone knows how to fail. You have to learn how to succeed, and you have to keep learning how to succeed. Success can lead you to destruction just as quickly as failure can. And so at every turn as we grow this business, we need talent. So please, you know, reach at Careers at Daily Wire. Send us your resume. Send us your, whether you're in entertainment or in business or whatever, we need good talent. When it comes to acting, I feel like the industry has changed in that the resume had shot things done now.

What I want to see is – and I want to see the real. I want to see video of them. Yeah, go do something. Your story is that you failed up until you were 35. Is that what it was? Like you weren't making a lot of money, and then all of a sudden you started being successful? Started the Daily Wire.

Actually, it was the first time that I ever made more than $25,000 in a year was at the precursor company that Ben and I had called Truth Revolt. And I got a nice salary. And at that time, Prager, you started paying me a nice salary as well. So I was – not a salary, but a nice consulting fee. And so I was suddenly making six figures for the first time in my life as a 35-year-old man. And it really is amazing how just that change of mind that Ben and my friend Frank helped me achieve unlocked all of the actual power of economic incentive. And between 35 and 43, I mean, I flew here on a private plane

to do your show today. Wow. So you're the 1%. And were you shocked when you realized the laws limiting how you could spend money once you got large sums of money? Oh, yeah.

I bring this up because I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with people when they say things like, hey, why don't you just do this or that with your company? I'm like, that's illegal. And they're like, what? And I'm like, you can't just do that with money. There's limitations. There's financial limitations. There's laws. There's tax restrictions. There's tax holding requirements, all this crazy stuff. You can't even just give someone money. No, you can't give people money. Everybody's like,

if you gave me a million, if I gave you million dollars, I can't give you a million dollars, even if I had a million dollars to give you. The other thing that they don't understand is that when you are in a rapid ascent, the way that people of means are taxed is different. I don't pay taxes on April 15th. I pay taxes every quarter, and those taxes are based on projections of earnings that the IRS has rules about. And so there have been times over these last seven years where I was making an incredible amount of money on paper.

But I was giving so much money to the government that I didn't know how I was going to pay my mortgage. Like it's unbelievable how they take that money from you. And if you make a lot of money in one year or one quarter and then all of a sudden covid hits and and revenues drop dramatically they're like we still expect your projections you've got to pay you've got to pay as a percentage of last year's success well the government's job is to control the economy and giving it to the federal reserve is is blatant disrespect for if you want rep if you want to represent me and you want my tax money you better represent me and not outsource the representation to a private company let's let's uh get sorry but we gotta i want to represent me and you want my tax money, you better represent me and not outsource the representation to a private company. Let's – sorry, but I want to try and get more Super Chats in.

C.D. Stein says, ask Jeremy if they would consider also starting a book publishing company that includes comics since the rise of insane wokeness in the big two of comics. Yeah, well, we have started a book publishing company, DW Publishing. Our first book is with Sergeant Mattingly and is out now. We have a couple of other really good books that are going to come out. Our first release was actually What is a Walrus by Matt Walsh, which was a children's board book. But our first

adult publication is Mattingly's book. We signed a great book deal with Jonathan Isaac, the NBA player, which we're really proud about. And that guy stood up when other people were kneeling and we're proud to be in business with him. And we have only in the last four weeks, we have seen the first boards for a graphic novel that we're working on. So this is something that we're pursuing.

We're not pursuing it with the same sort of aggressive vigor that we are our entertainment play. It's a place where I would say we're testing, not that we're charging. It's not a hill we're charging. It's a place where we're testing. But obviously, we think the creation of IP, the creation of comics, the creation of graphic novels, the creation of fiction. Again, one of the things that makes us different from other conservative companies, even in publishing, is that we're not just going to publish a bunch of nonfiction. I have a really great idea for a children's book. It's called The Donkey Who Cried Bear. It's about a family, a village of donkeys, and one donkey keeps screaming,

the bears are coming. The bears are controlling our donkey president. But then what happens at the end? I'm actually kidding. Tim, what happens at the end? I thought we were working on this. The bears invade. The elephant charges in. What's the model, like the cost model for Daily Wire right now for someone that wants to subscribe to the network?

Yeah, I mean head over to dailywire.com slash subscribe and become a member. There's a couple of different tiers. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Use promo code Tim Poole to get 25% off. Use promo code Tim Poole to get 25% off. Is that a real promo code? Yeah. I would like to say to any of my staff listening, please quickly turn on a promo code called

Tim Pool. No, no, because Daily Wire had us sponsor two of our shows this month. Oh, that's right. There is a promo code Tim Pool. 25% off. Heck yeah. And then do you get access to all the movies on the network and all the graphic novels when you subscribe?

Yes. Well, there are no graphic novels yet in existence. But yes, you get The Ben Shapiro Show, Candace Owens Show, Michael Knowles, if you want him, Matt Walsh, Andrew Clay, you get the feature film Shut In, The Hyperions, Run, Hide, Fight. So truly like a Netflix,

similar to a Netflix model at this stage. So we have a question here from Uncle... But instead of having every movie ever created, we have Run, Hide, Fight, Shut In, and The Hyperions. The Hyperions is out? The Hyperion is out. I definitely want to watch that. It's fabulous.

Uncle D says, will the Daily Wire make cartoons and a streaming service so we won't need Disney, Hulu, or Netflix? Well, we know you're doing a streaming service, but are you doing cartoons?

Well, it was reported today that Ben Shapiro said the Daily Wire is going to move into kids' content. I had to call Ben and say, Ben, don't say things like that. We're not ready yet. We're not ready yet.

But it is true that we're in development on kids' content, and it's definitely our hope that in 2023 we can bring some great kids' content to the market. Spidge B says, You need to jam with Jeremy. He's quite an accomplished musician. Yes. Ah, well, I'm not.

I am quite accomplished. What I'm not is very good. I say I'm accomplished because Smokey Mike and the God King played to a sold-out house at the Mother Church of Country Music, the Ryman Auditorium. Wow. Good stuff. But you should never mistake that for talent, which I have very fleeting levels of talent. Michael Knowles, he's really good. Michael's a great guitar player.

Yeah, he sings too. I cannot believe I'm hearing compliments of Michael Knowles right now. I know, right? It of talent. Michael Knowles, he's really good. Michael's a great guitar player. Yeah, he sings too. I cannot believe I'm hearing compliments of Michael Knowles right now. I know, right? It's unbelievable. Disturbing. Only in the context of Smokey Mike and the God King will I say anything nice. Only his alter ego gets a compliment. Well, it's his group.

He's got to compliment himself. No, it's true. It's true. Tough break. All right. Andrew Lance says, God King, I've been a DW All Access member for as long as possible. Get with Seus and give us our freedom tunes animated series already uh i when i sat down uh seamus said you know what

would you like to talk about at our meeting in in two weeks and i said i didn't i honestly god didn't know we had a meeting in two weeks but that was actually really really funny but that is apparently a thing that's happening i couldn't'm stoked about it. I love Freedom Tunes. Thank you. Ben Shapiro shooting lasers out of his eyes was a turning point. Honestly, gang, okay, it's something I actually do every now and again. So the fact that he put it in a cartoon is really evolutionary. People need to know.

Ben Shapiro reacting. Freedom Tunes Ben Shapiro reacting to real Ben Shapiro reacting to Freedom Tunes was good. Yeah, so Ben Shapiro reacted to my cartoon of him, and then I did a cartoon of cartoon Ben Shapiro reacting to real Ben Shapiro reacting to Freedom Tunes was good. Yeah, so Ben Shapiro reacted to my cartoon of him, and then I did a cartoon of cartoon Ben Shapiro reacting to real Ben Shapiro reacting to the cartoon. Or Ben Shapiro's Family Thanksgiving, was it? I don't think so. That was one of the best. Family Thanksgiving.

I love that one. He tweeted it. It's funny because right after I made it, I put it on Twitter, and then he retweeted it and said, this is a documentary. Oh, that's great. Did he really? Yeah, yeah. He said, this is a documentary. I tweeted the link at him, and he posted the link and said, this is a documentary. he really yeah yeah he said this is a documentary or he i tweeted the link at

him and he posted the link and said this is a documentary text that's awesome i have been to a family dinner or two at ben's home with his entire family and it is not unlike i knew it perfect all right chris stark says tim and crew you should read milton friedman unraveled by murray rothbard yes it helps to explain his role as to why we are in the current economic situation and some well worth it. Very smart man. Oh, yeah. Mind Fury says the metaverse.

Remember Demolition Man from the mid-90s? Adult activity was banned and lovemaking required a VR headset. How prescient in retrospect. Prescient has never sounded more seedy than the way you just said it. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't feel good about it. I know. All right.

Roberto Lars says, Lex had the same discussion with Mark Zuckerberg about how we'll represent ourselves on the metaverse. A recommendable podcast, you get to see the Android Mark versus the robot Lex. That is interesting. Yeah. PHGamer says, OMG, at Tim, you need to watch ghost in the shell standalone complex it was eerie where it went but there was an episode where a stalker put on a cyber suit body of her lover and tried to kill him i have seen ghost in the shell standalone complexes but it's been i think 20 years or you know close to that so i should re-watch it but amazing series i love that opening song by Origa as well.

Good music. All right, Matt R. says, If you like sharp things in a business that doesn't hate anyone, try my brother's mall shop, animearmory.square.site. They have a sharp Zelda prop for you. You saw the Master Sword? I saw the Master Sword. I want to sharpen it.

Well, yeah, you've got to sharpen it. But I don't think it's made of a real material.'t know how you're gonna kill ganon with a dull master sword silver magic i suppose eric conson says ian quote i'm a huge star trek tng fan doesn't know what best of both worlds is shaking my head well true i want to i just want to in defense of ian it's been so long since i've actually done a watch through of TNG. It's been, I think, like seven years that I probably am going to, you know, I've messed up names as well. I went through like a year phase where I watched every episode

night after night or like a five or six month thing, but I didn't catch the names of any of them. I'm old and watched them in real time. Nice. I mean, I watched them when I was a little kid. My dad would put it on and I'd sit on the couch and you saw them all in real time? Oh, wow. Yeah, I very vividly remember I was on a band trip. I was a saxophone player, and I was in the high school band.

And we were down in Austin, Texas in an embassy suite, and everybody was going to go out and hang out for the night. But it was the night of the final series finale of The Next Generation. And so I stayed inside and watched Picard and Q mix it up, and everybody else went out. Yeah. Q's character man yeah all right bn says i've heard star trek creator gene roddenberry was a confirmed atheist who hated organized religion the acronym borg stands for bigoted organized religious groups any thoughts said i don't believe i don't believe the borg thing but he wasn't roddenberry was an atheist yeah i think that's right yeah um in

the original series, they're less heavy-handed about it, but then in Next Gen, Picard says some things which are like more overtly secular. But bigoted wasn't used as frequently in that context back then as it is today,

so I'm not sure that I believe that. All right, what is it? Mixed Up says, Jeremy asked him to sing a song on the members-only segment. Truth be told, I thought it was going to say something about Jeremy singing, because you have a hit song, I think, right? Together Again. Oh, yeah.

Sing us the song, You're the Beanie Man. Yeah. What? There you go. That's right. All right. We'll grab a couple more here. Actually, Tigre says,

when Dallas Saunier was on, am I pronouncing that right? Saunier. Saunier. Was on TimCast IRL. He said, Daily Wire needs to break into the sci-fi genre. Jeremy, would you prefer to read a treatment sooner or a screenplay later? I have studied up on your stuff and have something I think fits the Daily Wire. Yeah, one of the real challenges is how to take submissions.

Yeah. You know, when you talk about how we make a lot of money and there are all these rules about how we can spend it, the rules around copyright and pitches, unsolicited and particular pitches, are so absurd. If you send a screenplay to me, I will not be able to read it legally. If you mail it to me, I will not be able to open the mail.

If you email it to me, I will have to delete it without opening it and show my attorney that I've deleted it. Because the studios for years and years and years have paid settlement money to people who say, you know, Jurassic Park. That was my I had the idea that we should make a movie with dinosaurs in it 24 years ago. And I pitched it to a guy who at that time worked in the concession stand at an AMC theater or whatever. And and that's a very lucrative business. And so I'll just tell you that for me, one of the great stories of my life, this guy

Roderick Taylor, the Falconer, who's had a bunch of songs. He had seven records with David Geffen back in the 70s and 80s. And then he became a great screenwriter. He wrote on TV. Then he had a feature film with Jodie Foster called The Brave One that you may recall. And Rod told me this great story one time where his father was at a retirement community or something down in Florida and called him. Hey, Dad, how's it going? Rod, I need to put you on the phone with my friend. You don't have any friends, Dad. What are you talking about? No, no, my friend, my friend who works at the front desk of the old folks home. All right,

Dad, put him on the phone. Guy gets on the phone on phone he goes hey i've got this great idea for a screenplay and rod said i don't need your idea i'm a professional writer it's basically he was he was in glengarry glen ross i don't i'm a professional writer i have had every idea ideas are not what's missing what's missing is execution and this is a great lesson. Your screenplay may be terrific. Your idea may be great. It is all execution at every step. I wish that I could shortcut for you how to get your screenplay

to me, especially if it's well executed, but you just have to keep executing and we have to find ways around these really prohibitive laws that make it almost impossible because if I hear your idea and it's bad, it still puts me in a position where I can't make a good version of that idea or some other idea that's sort of tangentially related to that idea

20 years from now when I don't even remember the bad idea that I've heard. This can be fixed. There are ways around it, but it is very challenging. Can they recuse on the mail, I want no copyright for this? Yes, and in fact, one of the things that we are talking about doing is trying to create some sort of digital submission because in a digital submission i can make you check the box before you submit this is not because i want to steal people's ideas not in any way it's because we dallas sonye has read 500 scripts for me in the last year. 500 scripts. Every idea, some germ of every idea has been present in one of those scripts.

So you just can't be in a situation where 20 years from now you make something. There's no way you stole someone's idea, right? You're just doing the work. You can't create those liabilities. Again, there are ways around it. That's one way. I've never cared much for ideas. I've never viewed ideas as being the most important thing.

Like you're saying execution is everything. Yes. And I actually think it's kind of a cop-out too for people who are like, I had this idea. And it's like, and you did nothing with it. You did. Yeah, exactly. So I've been at a bunch of meetings. And I learned this when I was in California from a lot of people, or this is what they told me is what you're told when you're growing up poor is never share your ideas because they'll steal it. And what they tell you when you're rich is share your idea with everyone

you can to refine it. Because if an investor hears it, they're going to hire you, the guy who thought of it, who has the vision and the passion to do it, to make it because we're trying to find someone else to do it means you're gonna have someone who's not driven to do it, to make it, because trying to find someone else to do it means you're going to have someone who's not driven to do it. It's a mistake. So for me, for the most part, I don't care if someone steals my ideas. I'll talk about my ideas, whatever, with anybody. I'm such a firm believer in execution that I'll give away any idea too. Because no one's going to steal it. Yeah. And that's right. Most people, even if they knew exactly how to do what you've done,

even if it were replicable and you gave them the blueprint on how to replicate it, 99.9% of people wouldn't. Exactly. Even if you're paying them sometimes, like I'm blessed with an amazing team, but sometimes like you can be working on a project with a group of people or if any of you have worked a job with other people who just were not doing what they were supposed to, it's like you can get orders from people above you to do a specific thing and like everyone drops the ball. So the idea that people who just were not doing what they were supposed to. It's like you can get orders from people above you to do a specific thing, and, like, everyone drops the ball. So the idea that people are just going to, like, take your idea and make it for free is ridiculous.

Well, you know, so I've been in so many meetings pitching ideas and everything, and I've always just been like, here's all of my ideas. None of them have ever been stolen. The issue you'll learn when it comes to a lot of investors, too, because I've sat down with big investor meetings, and they're like, you know, we've had conversations about how people are scared of their ideas being stolen. And they were like, the idea that we'd invest in a random person we'd hire, as opposed to the person who had the idea is kind of a crazy thought. It can happen if a really dumb person,

like a really undriven person who doesn't do anything, puts two and two together and like, that is actually a good idea, but this person can't pull it off. I'll tell you an amazing story. When we met with the high net worth individual who gave us the initial capital on which we built the Daily Wire, again, it was a very small amount of money compared to the success that we've driven, but we needed it. It was an instrumental moment in our careers to go raise that money. We're sitting in this giant like Bond villain conference room. You know, I'm sure there was a shark button that they could have pressed if they didn't like our

pitch. And the high net worth individual was in the room and some and some other members of his family were in the room. And Ben and I and Caleb were giving our pitch. And at a certain point, one of one of the high net worth individuals, relatives, leaned back in his chair and he said, you know, people pitch us ideas all the time. A lot of people have come in here and say they want to build a company that makes conservative content and puts it on the internet. Why should we give our money to you? And Ben Shapiro did not miss not half a second.

He said, I'm better than they are. There you go. Execution. That's it. If you go before me and you say, I tell this people all the time. When it comes to sales and pitches, you might get someone with no talent, but someone who speaks well. Like no ability to build the machine, but they can tell you they can build the machine. And who am I supposed to trust?

If someone comes to me and says, I want to build a 3D printer, I'm going to say, why should I fund this? And if they say, well, look, to be honest, there are a lot of printers out there. I think I can do a good job, but I will do my best. I'm like, okay. If some guy comes in and says, listen, you want a 3D printer? I'm going to build it. It'll be the best you've ever seen. No one can do it better than me.

I'll be like, all right, well, if you don't have the confidence yourself to do it, I can't invest in it. With that being said, go to timcast.com. Have confidence in us because we're going to have a members-only segment coming up around 11 p.m. is when we'll publish it. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and become a member at timcast.com. You can follow us at timcast IRL basically everywhere. You can follow me at timcast. Jeremy, did you want to shout anything out? Well, first of all, I would promote TimCast, but everybody listening already knows about it. But I really appreciate you guys having me on the show. If somebody wants to head over to IHateHarris.com, they'll get the shave of their life with a Jeremy's razor.

And we'd love to have your business over at DailyWire.com as well. Right on. I'm Seamus Coughlin. I create an animated web series called Freedom Tunes. If you all want to go check that out, we released a cartoon today and one on Tuesday. Go over there and subscribe, please. And thank you very much. Ian Crosland from iancrosland.net.

Seamus, can you roll me that red 100-sided drawing? You want me to roll you this dice? Are you going to risk it? No, no, I'm not going to. I don't want you to roll a one on the show. I have a gift for you. It's this red 100-sided drawing. Oh, my God.

Happy birthday to me. That was a 20 my friend Happy birthday homie You're a wonderful human being Love you Seamus Thank you Jeremy thank you so much Hey Seamus

Yeah Ian gave me 120 set of dice Yeah Well it's different Comparison It really is the thief of joy I know right That's terrible

Anyway I really appreciate that That high note to go out on Thank you so much for coming Jeremy I really appreciate what you guys are doing over at The Daily Wire. We are having John Mattingly on in the future. And Andrew Klavan as well. Very excited to do this crossover between the two different companies.

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