Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #501 - Elon Musk Buys LARGEST Twitter Stake With 9.2%, Defends Free Speech w/Amber Athey

Episode Date: April 5, 2022

Tim, Ian, and Lydia host journalist and commentator Amber Athey to discuss Elon Musk's latest acquisition (Twitter), Amber's experience being fired over a tweet, the man who won't be charged after kil...ling his girlfriend's ex, and Madonna's bizarre video displaying her insane plastic surgery. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Elon Musk is now the largest stakeholder in Twitter. He bought 9.2%, which is just about $3 billion worth of the company. And I don't know if it means he can do anything, but he was just talking about on Twitter about free speech. He's on Twitter talking about the importance of free speech. Everybody was like, yo, start up a company. And Mike Cernovich was like, buy Twitter. And then Elon Musk was like, I'll buy a lot.
Starting point is 00:00:24 A lot of people are saying Donald Trump should buy a stake in Twitter, but $3 billion, I think that's Trump's actual net worth, maybe a little bit less. So he couldn't buy 10%, but he could buy maybe one if you wanted to sink a couple hundred million into it, perhaps. But this is big. Maybe free speech will be returning to the platform. Aside from that, we got a big story on Black Lives Matter. Apparently, they secretly purchased a i think it was a six million dollar mansion so they could film youtube videos or something like that and uh man the more we uncover about how they were i don't know misusing funds the crazier things get so we'll talk about all that we got some crazy stories georgia has their own version of the
Starting point is 00:01:01 parental rights and education bill of course the left is calling it the don't say gay bill, but this one's a little different. I'm surprised they haven't already come out and started screaming about this one. We also have got now, I believe, there's 25 states that are constitutional carry. If Florida moves forward with their special legislative session, we could have 26 states constitutional carry. Let's talk about all this stuff and a whole bunch of other stuff, I suppose. Joining us to discuss these issues is Amber Athey. Hey, so glad to be here. Who are you? Shall I introduce myself? Yes. Great. Well, yeah, so I'm the Washington editor for The Spectator, oldest magazine in the world. We started our U.S. edition about three, four
Starting point is 00:01:40 years ago now. And as of a month ago, I a radio co-host but i think we'll get into the scenario there later on you got fired for uh for talking about kamala harris everyone's favorite vice president yeah uh and then i'm also a senior fellow at the steamboat institute so you made um you made a joke i did make a joke. Never a good idea on Twitter, apparently. They were looking for something. Yeah, you made an offensive joke about Kamala Harris. I did, yeah. And used an old slogan that apparently no one knows anymore.
Starting point is 00:02:16 I'm sure everyone's like, I'm trying to tread carefully over, you know, so we can save some of the story. But I'm sure everyone's like, whoa, what did she say? They're like, oh my God, she said something really racist didn't she no considering this the the era that we're in it was like totally not racist yeah and you know what's funny is looking back on it i was at a trivia night with my friends when i sent the tweet that got me fired and i remember going around the table asking about the initial tweet that i was going to send if it was safe. And everyone was like, ah, like it's a little edgy. Maybe you should dial it down a little bit.
Starting point is 00:02:52 So this was actually the pared down version of the tweet. And that still was too far. So you're saying you're even more racist than they accused you of? Right. So I'm now digging myself even deeper into the racism hole. Well, we'll definitely talk about why you got fired. It's great. It's so stupid. I feel like there's a lot of things I can't, that I won't say on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:03:08 That I'm like, I have to save this for when I can speak it with my mouth because it's the tone. If you don't have the tone to preserve the statement, they just look for the words and then they give that word's a bad word. You can't do that one. Especially talking about bodily functions. That's a big thing I try to say for the show. I don't want to put it in text. Yeah. You got it.
Starting point is 00:03:27 What's up? Yeah. I'm also here in the corner. Thank you guys very much for tuning in. I'm excited for this evening. I always love my ladies and I want to hear why she got fired. Seamus is not here tonight. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:38 He ditched us. He was like, I'm going to hang out with my family. We were like, dude, what? Yeah. You think your family is more important than the world?
Starting point is 00:03:46 Is this love or something? Yeah. Get out of here. But yeah, no Seamus tonight. No anybody else. But let's jump into it. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com. Become a member if you want to support our work.
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Starting point is 00:04:33 I like this show and share it. It really does help. Let's jump into this first story and talk about the world is changing so quickly. Elon Musk acquires 9.2% stake in Twitter. The world's richest man is now the social media giant's largest shareholder. My understanding is that he's also the largest, he has the largest vote. He's bigger than Vanguard, I think. Wow. Yeah, BlackRock? Yeah, I thought it was BlackRock.
Starting point is 00:04:55 Is it BlackRock? Yeah, I thought. Maybe, yeah. TimCast.com writes, on Monday, a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission revealed that Elon Musk has acquired a 9.2% stake in the social media giant. The move by Musk, reportedly the world's richest man, comes just weeks after he started criticizing the platform for its violations of free speech. His criticism was followed by a rumor that he might create a new competing platform similar to Twitter. The SEC filing shows that he purchased roughly 73.4 million shares in the company,
Starting point is 00:05:23 making him the largest shareholder on Twitter. According to the Financial Times, Jack Founder only holds 2.25% stake in Twitter. Musk has not spoken publicly about the acquisition. Previously indicated he wanted to see dramatic changes on Twitter. Of course, here's a bunch of tweets. He says, I'm giving serious thought to this. He was tweeting about free speech saying, what should be done? I don't know if he can do anything. He conducted a poll on Twitter asking his followers if they think Twitter rigorously adheres to the principles of free speech. He noted that the consequences of the online poll would be significant. 70% of the 2 million Twitter respondents said no.
Starting point is 00:05:57 That's crazy. The first few months of new Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal's tenure have validated some concerns his leadership would reduce free expression. Since Agrawal took the position at Twitter, the site permabanned one of the accounts of congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene for allegedly violating its COVID-19 misinformation policy. And then, of course, she heavily criticized them. Recently, former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson sued Twitter over his ban in August 2020. And then we also have an editor's note, full correction, initial reporting said 9.77 there were a few outlets at 9.7 it was 9.2 the big question ladies and gentlemen does this matter
Starting point is 00:06:29 I feel very tired and bored by these conversations about Twitter and you know I mean you got fired over Twitter so maybe it matters no maybe it doesn't matter well I mean Twitter didn't fire me so I mean technically it doesn't matter but I don't know I just I we keep hearing these
Starting point is 00:06:46 stories coming out about how like so and so starting a new social media company and this is finally going to change things and i just feel always disappointed like i'm super blackpilled about just the general idea of social media um not just because of censorship reasons but because of the effect that it's having on our, you know, societal interactions and the way kids are raised and all of these different things, social media addiction. I don't even, I don't know how much power this actually gives Elon Musk. I've seen people smarter than I say that quite a lot, apparently. I hope that it changes. I guess I'm just generally pessimistic about the state of social media in general. And I don't even know if Twitter is really worth saving at this point, because you have to change not just the policies in terms of,
Starting point is 00:07:28 you know, the vaccine misinformation, you weren't allowed to say for a while there that if you had the vaccine that you could still get COVID, you could still spread COVID and really stupid things like that. But there's also a lot of algorithmic issues in terms of how they decide what content gets promoted, what content gets shadow banned and things like that so there's there's so many things that need to change across the board to make this a better platform and i mean hopefully elon musk is the guy to help do it but again i i don't have high hopes for anything regarding twitter facebook instagram whatever some people are saying that he does get substantial voting power and he could move to make himself a board member and then as a board member he can make some real changes.
Starting point is 00:08:06 He's charismatic, too. Yeah, you need to be on the board. Well, maybe be on the board. So Vanguard owns 8.39%. At least this is from CNN. So he is the largest stakeholder now. The thing is, so you want to talk about changing the terms of service to make it a free speech network. You could base it out of, like, Connecticut, and then you have to adhere to state law, corporate law.
Starting point is 00:08:24 But then the thing is, the NSA can come in and say, hey, we don't like that guy. Shut his account down, and you're not allowed to tell anyone here's a gag order. And then they have to because they have the data. If you don't know who the people are and you don't have their data, the CIA can't come and take it from you. You see it in NSA interchangeably. It's crazy. I think really, honestly, forcing companies to change their terms of service is a big ask, and it feels very fascist to use political force to make a private company do something like that. I think that free speech on the Internet is a different kind of free speech and that it's more about the code.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Because if it's spying on you and you don't know, you're not really free. If you're constantly being watched and sold out behind or possibly about a better question is if the algorithms are hidden and people are being shadow banned and silenced without you knowing, then you're not in a fair system. You should know the NSA came and they shut that they took that data. They shut that guy down that you should always know that stuff because you see it happen on the network. Yeah. And a lot of times Twitter doesn't even tell people why they're being banned. I mean, they say sometimes you're being removed for this tweet and you have to delete it. Otherwise, you're not allowed. You have a suspension. But sometimes they don't really tell people. And then when inevitably, usually conservative and independent media go up in arms about what's going on, they say, oh, it was just a mistake. You know, somebody inaccurately flagged this tweet for violating terms of service. And so they're really not transparent about even when people are violating things, what specific policy they're violating or which tweet was the violation.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Sometimes they'll say that somebody was getting around a previous ban by creating new accounts or that their email address has multiple accounts registered to it. And it all just seems like they're playing these games to try to get around actually enforcing their policies fairly across the board. I think that if someone gets banned, if an account gets banned, that the ban reason should be on the blockchain for them for reference. Yeah, but then what if they put bunk info on the blockchain? Then you should be able to appeal it and then the appeal should be on the blockchain you should be able to watch the process if it was that's true because then you can see they lied because we check out this story it's just from
Starting point is 00:10:32 a year ago twitter bans james o'keefe yeah of project veritas over fake account policy insinuating suggesting that he was operating multiple accounts in an unsanctioned way o'keefe has already announced that he will sue the company for defamation. And that's legit because James was like, I did not write multiple accounts. And when you ask Twitter about this, because I've done this, I reached out to them about this exact issue. And I have a press contact at Twitter that like claims to be from conservative world. So they're always like, oh, well, we'll put you the conservative media journalist to reach
Starting point is 00:11:02 out to this person because they can be trusted because they used to work for a Republican or whatever. It's all BS. But I reach out to them about these types of issues all the time of them claiming that people got banned for these account violations. And when you ask for evidence of it, what they tell you is, oh, well, it's a personnel issue or it's a company policy issue and we can't talk anymore about it. And even with James himself and other people who have had this happen to them, they won't talk anymore about it and even with james himself and other people who have had this happen to them they won't talk about it with them either so how are you
Starting point is 00:11:29 supposed to get any accountability when they keep doing this to people i understand i wonder where james james is with this lawsuit because i mean they banned him and then outright made a statement about something he did that he didn't do yeah with no evidence and so he can easily just say to a judge like your honor i didn't operate multiple accounts they claimed i did that he didn't do. Yeah, with no evidence. And so he can easily just say to a judge, like, Your Honor, I didn't operate multiple accounts. They claimed I did. That's defamation. The judge is, I have to imagine he's going to be like, okay, let's go to discovery and
Starting point is 00:11:51 easily determine whether or not he was or wasn't. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. The other problem with Twitter in particular is that they have this sort of woke corporate structure where they're hiring these kids who are on college campuses, like protesting against speakers and shutting people down. Those are the people that are getting hired at the big tech companies. And those are the ones that are actually in charge of enforcing the terms of service. So you already have you have the biased algorithms and then you have an extra layer of bias with the people who are in charge of actually enforcing the policies. And so it's really no wonder that things like this happen.
Starting point is 00:12:26 So if Elon's going to get in here, he has to basically go through the entire payroll of Twitter and try to root out some of these people who are acting as activists as opposed to people who are trying to fairly enforce terms of service. So another reason why a blockchain administration would be good, because if you have a bunch of miscalculations of bans that weren't right, you'd be like, oh, it was on December 23rd. Who was admitting on December 23rd at 4 p.m it's all accountable i you may want these corporations may want to hide that from the public because they want to protect their employees and i
Starting point is 00:12:53 get that to a point but also the public when it's in the commons the public deserves i believe the control of the system and knowing who's screwing with the system this is the commons i think elon also sees this as the commons i think elon also sees this as the commons i was uh listening to something about tiktok and some some young tiktoker was like oh yeah twitter's dumb it's just for like politics no one cares and i think that's a fair assessment too many of us are on twitter because it's a political social network that's what it is it's politics and journalism everything else is like what's the point you're gonna go there and follow you know brad pitt for whatever reason or whatever celebrate not really you're not and that's what it is it's politics and journalism everything else is like what's the point you're going to go there and follow you know brad pitt for whatever reason or whatever
Starting point is 00:13:26 celebrate not really you're not and that's why even the new york times gets no interaction on any of their tweets the real point of twitter is to go on and be mean to people and emotionally destroy them well i the second reason is to talk about news politics and social you can also message people directly which is pretty cool like i sent jordan a message yesterday i've never met him before but peterson yeah peterson oh yeah jordan peterson i disagree with your third of your 42nd rules dude your third one talks about always being honest sometimes laws are bad and you can't be honest about it anyway we'll talk about that later but yeah i wonder if twitter just becomes irrelevant in 10 years it very well could i mean i there's always this phrase that
Starting point is 00:14:03 people throw out right twitter's not real life and it it's 100% true. I mean, I'm like a Twitter obsessed fool. And I go out and I talk to my friends or my family back home about this stupid tweet I saw, and they have no idea what I'm talking about, or some manufactured controversy that left wing activists on Twitter are all up in arms about. And again, nobody who, even people who consume Fox News or CNN incessantly don't really know what's going on on Twitter unless they are actively on there for multiple hours a day. But Twitter does have a huge impact on policy. It does. So it's almost like the forefront of thought in a lot of ways when it comes to politics and journalism. you'll get someone like
Starting point is 00:14:45 david hogg had a tweet which is which is really important it is because seeing his internal monologue his inner monologue is important to understand that you shouldn't listen to his advice on anything right when he tweeted you need what did he say you need a license to kill deer why don't you need a license to kill humans yeah as if to imply you're allowed to or like you could go to the government be like i would like to kill people like well here's your license to kill deer, why don't you need a license to kill humans? As if to imply you're allowed to. Or like, you could go to the government and be like, I would like to kill people. Like, well, here's your license to kill, sir. Like, you can't kill people. Like, they're only extenuating circumstances. You're
Starting point is 00:15:13 defending yourself or you're in war or something. But normally, these activists and high-profile individuals would go through several filters before that message would actually get out. Now, because of Twitter, people are just thinking things and then tweeting it. I take advantage of that
Starting point is 00:15:29 and just tweet things that I know are intentionally ridiculous. And then it's weird. You know what I think works for the left is that most of the leftists know my tweets tend to be nonsense, but they know their followers don't. So they're like, I can retweet this guy, and even though I know it's sarcasm or something or silliness or trolling, but everyone else take it seriously. But anyway, I digress. The point is
Starting point is 00:15:48 AOC talks about the Green New Deal. These politicians talk about policy positions and plans and they manifest on Twitter. Antifa organizes rallies on Twitter. So sure, you can be one of these older guys on Fox News having no idea what's going on. And then one day you look out your window and there's a guy throwing a Molotov cocktail, you know, at your building. And you're like, why is that happening? Well, look at Twitter. They were talking about it for the past three days.
Starting point is 00:16:11 There was a shift in, I don't know, it was 2013, 2012. All of a sudden, CNN started getting screenshots of tweets. Like, I was from the pre-internet age before social media. And then I would make a bunch of YouTube videos. And then all of a sudden, it was like, it's a big deal to get mentioned on TV. Then all of a sudden the news is no longer on CNN. The news is on Twitter. CNN's referencing Twitter tweets, tweets.
Starting point is 00:16:32 They're referencing tweets on CNN. Yeah. And isn't that the problem is Twitter only has as much value and power as we assign to it. And media companies in particular have assigned a lot of value to what people say on Twitter, whether negative or positive, they will pull up random accounts with like 30 followers and be screenshotting their tweets and putting them on a primetime cable news program as if this is like a serious person with real thoughts that matter in the public square. And I mean, it's gotten to this point
Starting point is 00:17:03 now where I think you're right that Twitter is setting a lot of policy. I mean, it's gotten to this point now where I think you're right that Twitter is setting a lot of policy. I mean, I would love to know, for example, where like the don't say gay moniker came from. I wouldn't be surprised if that came from some left wing Twitter account. Some like 12 year old. Yeah, that's the funniest thing about CNN putting tweets on TV is that it's probably some 12 year old kid who, you know, tweeted having no no idea this is actually a really important point on twitter you you don't know you're arguing arguing with a 14 year old the dude who got uh harry's razors to to dump daily wire claims to have been in high school i wouldn't doubt it and so just think about how insane that is that some high school kid desperate for attention or to like have an
Starting point is 00:17:42 impact because it's you know it's trolling want to, you want to feel your pressure or your presence on the world, sees a story, takes their account and it'll be called like, you know, bro dude 54. And they tweet, I think Joe Biden is the greatest president. Donald Trump was bad because, you know, he was racist. And then CNN's like, here's a tweet from someone who matters. And it's like, it's just some 12 year old kid who has no idea what he's talking about. I knew a dude who dude who gave a fake interview to a local, there was a plane crash in Chicago. And this dude ran there afterwards and then told the journalist that he had seen it. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I was here when it happened.
Starting point is 00:18:13 And they said, what happened? And he just made a story up because he wanted to be on TV. Now, he was an adult at the time. But imagine a 12-year-old. They'd be like, I don't know, you know, where are your parents? So you can be 12. Go on Twitter. Say Joe Biden's economic plan is destabilizing this country. And then a network will left tends, Democrats tend to have a lot more younger people. So imagine just all of these conservatives on Twitter arguing with people, and it's like a 56-year-old guy arguing with a 14-year-old.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Just don't do it. Don't argue. Not in text. It's never good, and I have to remind myself all the time, if I send out a particularly not even edgy, I don't really tweet edgy things, I don't think, but if I tweet something that gets a lot of engagement from people on the opposite side of the political spectrum i'm so guilty
Starting point is 00:19:09 of seeing some accounts say something like really stupid and i'm like i have to quote tweet them and dunk on them and it's literally someone with an egg as their profile picture and it's and that's why like the addiction aspect of it is so crazy to me because it really does fire off like those receptors in your brain that make you want to engage constantly and scroll constantly and even someone who is aware of it has that impulse and imagine how bad that is for people who don't really understand what's happening so elon musk buys this big stake in twitter but i'm not entirely convinced that it matters because it's the cultural issues in our society outside of Twitter matter more. So in your instance, Amber, you got fired because you tweeted a joke about Kamala Harris that was you made fun of the way she dressed.
Starting point is 00:19:59 That's right. They called you racist on Twitter. Yeah. So basically what happened was a month ago was the State of the Union and Kamala was wearing this horrific brown suit, which like everybody agreed that it was ugly. We have a picture of it. Right. I don't think I'm the only one that thought it was bad. Saturday Night Live made fun of it.
Starting point is 00:20:19 And there were people like photoshopping her to look like a UPS employee. And so I decided to throw out this tweet saying kamala looks like a ups employee what can brown do for you nothing good apparently because obviously she's ineffective at public policy and bad at her job well a few days later how this all actually shook out was i don't know if you guys remember this there were a bunch of protests at the University of North Texas because the Young Conservatives Club on campus had decided to invite this guy named Jeff Younger.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And Jeff Younger is a dad whose son was taken away from him because the mom was convinced that the son was actually a daughter and wanted to transition him medically. And the dad was not about it. So Young Conservativesxas had this guy come to campus and of course the sjw's on campus freaked out had these crazy protests and i got involved in this debate on twitter again never a good idea but here we are um in the replies to matt walsh actually and there's this freelance reporter for the daily beast yahoo news
Starting point is 00:21:27 rolling stone i think named stephen monicelli and i point to him as like the root cause of all of this he took a screenshot of the kamala tweet because he was mad at me for saying you can't chemically castrate kids and sent it to all of his followers and his followers decided that they were going to start emailing my employers to say that i was a racist and needed to be fired and what where was where were you working so i was with the spectator wmal which was a radio station based in dc it's like the conservative talk radio station in dc and then i have a fellowship with the steamboat institute the spectator wmal wmal and it's a part of cumulus media that's like the corporation that owns a bunch of radio stations similar to trash
Starting point is 00:22:11 they're trash they're operated by a bunch of liberals who don't care about anything outside of conservative radio they make all their money from conservative radio but they don't actually believe in anything that their hosts are saying on air is the long and short of it the spectator literally laughed at these emails they were getting because they thought they were so ridiculous wmal a week later calls me after i host the show on a wednesday morning and tells me that my tweet was racist that it violated their social media policy and that they were terminating me effective immediately no severance nothing i was done i wasn't going back on the show the next day they didn't inform anybody else on the show that i was hosting so they were like sol they didn't even have a host for the next morning they had to have
Starting point is 00:22:54 somebody else fill in uh they didn't tell the wmal program director it was a vice president and the vp of hr um i have the termination letter and everything that confirms everything that i'm telling you guys people you worked with didn't stand up for you and be like i'm not going to do it they tried i will say that there was a lot of internal maneuvering over the past month which is why i've waited so long to go public with the story because i wanted to see if cumulus and wmail would do the right thing. A lot of the hosts are on contract, so they can't really just walk out without facing pretty heavy financial consequences,
Starting point is 00:23:30 is my understanding. I don't want to throw them under the bus because they have been speaking out on my behalf publicly since I've talked about this this morning. But I understand your perspective. Yeah. I wish people were more willing to just stand up. Consequences be damned.
Starting point is 00:23:50 There are so many people on the left that are willing to risk prison time, burning down police stations and doing the most insane things. And conservatives won't even risk a contract violation. It's like, oh, no, a contract violation. You're going to have to go into arbitration. Those companies don't want to spend money on lawyers yeah that you know so if you were like i'm not going to do the show and they'll be like well you're in breach of you'll be in breach of contract and it's like okay spend five dollars retaining your lawyer because i i refuse to do a show one day and let's see how much money you got to waste before you get me to agree a monthly i'll tell you this
Starting point is 00:24:18 i just it just pisses me off they'd come to me and they'd say you're in breach of contract we're going to sue you i say okay i'm going to wait you out however long it takes you to put your lawyers on retainer to file. And then you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to let you win. Then I'm going to make you sink 20 grand into legal fees. Then I'll come back. How does that sound? Or you can just say, we're not going to fire someone over a tweet. People just aren't willing to even put a little bit of pressure on their company. Yeah. And I will say I was allowed to go on Dan Bongino's show today. And Dan Bongino's show is nationally syndicated. One of the radio stations that hosts
Starting point is 00:24:50 his program from 12 to 3 p.m. every day, WMAL. So I got to go on the radio station that fired me and tell all of their listeners exactly what the company did to me. And Dan Bongino was actually kind enough to offer me a biweekly segment on the the show as well so he's putting his money where his mouth is i mean he also he's a good dude and he's gotten into it with cumulus before over their vaccine mandate so this isn't the first time like he he hates them rightfully totally understandable if you've seen their like internal and i can't go into too much because of the confidentiality agreement i don't think they'll sue me but i would rather not risk. They have a lot of stuff on their internal company forums that is just horrendous. If the listeners knew the things that they were promoting internally, whether it's some of the
Starting point is 00:25:35 trainings that they do or some of the financial bonuses they offer people for doing certain things, they would be absolutely horrified that they are giving their listenership to this company. Sounds like Project Veritas might be picking something up from there. Yeah, I would love to see James O'Keefe do a little digging on that. I'm not surprised that these corporations don't care about anything. I'm also not surprised there are a lot of people who are like, well, there's nothing I can do about it because I'm under contract. And I'm also not surprised that Dan Bongino was like,
Starting point is 00:26:05 I don't care, let's do it, because Dan is doing a lot to push back. He's invested in Rumble. They've got something called Parallel Economy. Do you guys know about this? Only by name. Alternative Financial Transaction Service. So I'm a big proponent of, supporter of, and working towards parallel systems right for a
Starting point is 00:26:26 while i just talked about how it was it was dangerous and this was this was years ago i was like if they keep banning people this way if financial institutions keep doing this you're going to make a parallel economy you do not want that now we're here and it's like okay if that's what they wanted it's it's we're past it you've got to do it so parallel economy if you you could do a subscription service and not have to worry about being banned by someone tweet you know tweeting oh but they're racist or whatever this company's gonna be like you know we don't care and dan mangino i believe he's an investor i'm not entirely sure but i know he's involved so man at least we have people like him doing stuff that's that's something yeah i mean if i were a host on that station still i would be terrified
Starting point is 00:27:01 about what could happen to me because you can't do political commentary if you can't make fun of a politician's outfit. Like that is the most basic of things that you should be allowed to do. How are you supposed to go on the air and tell the listeners that you're committed to truth if you work for a company that censors you, if you get anywhere close to the edge, which I don't even think this was. To me, this is like one of the most clear-cut cases of just dishonest, bad faith, cancel culture bullshit. But that's how it is nowadays. Like you can't say anything and you have to be so anodyne and boring that it is literally destroying political commentary.
Starting point is 00:27:41 I think people have been too complac uh, to play complacent with, uh, corporate corporations. They've gone too far. They're not people. Yeah. They need to be, that whole system needs to be shattered and re it's cultural,
Starting point is 00:27:53 man. It's, it's, it's beyond, it's an aberration. Now it needs to be changed. How many, uh,
Starting point is 00:27:57 ballpark, how many people, you know, worked directly or indirectly with you with me on the show? Uh, maybe five. If those five people were like we're all sick today they'd be like hire amber back apologize to her yeah instead they're just like well i'm not gonna do anything you know that's the thing that people need to understand it's not even about you know stepping on the toes and trying to you know cause some pain
Starting point is 00:28:23 to the company who's playing bs it's just literally being like oh we must have all got sick at the same time i mean we all work together so it makes sense yeah we're gonna be out what's our what's our sick sick uh how much sick time do we have two weeks yeah oh i think we're gonna be sick for a little while and they're gonna be like okay okay okay we get it because what what are they really mad about you tweeted what can brown do for you the ups slogan they don't care about that no it's just they don't they are trying to avoid reputational damage and they made a huge miscalculation because they thought that firing me was the easy thing to do this would get the bad actors off of their back they'd stop getting emails sent to corporate and
Starting point is 00:29:02 they could go and tell the CEO or whoever, see, we took care of this problem. What they thought was going to happen was that I was going to sit down and shut the hell up and not tell anybody because I'd be so embarrassed. Well, the opposite is true. I'm pissed off. I think it's horrible. And I'm going to drag them to the ends of the earth to destroy their reputation as publicly and as loudly as I possibly can. And I'm going to get as many other conservatives and independent thinkers on my side to also try to destroy their reputation because that's all i know how to do at this point i wouldn't call it destroying i would say be honest about sure expose expose expose ruth Yeah. And that's what I've been committed to my entire career.
Starting point is 00:29:46 So I don't know what they thought that I was or who I was, but that's not it. Corporate media is such a joke. It's like you need your media run through a filter of an authoritarian corporation. Hell no. It's individual. Yeah. Now, people can go out there with a camera and get it done, man.
Starting point is 00:30:07 You don't need these stupid companies. Yeah, this is why I think we're particularly lucky with Timcast in that we have no external influences, no beneficiaries, no investors. The only person that could ever be like, the buck stops with me. And I'm kind of hot-headed and people call me arrogant and all that stuff. If somebody got fired, I wouldn't be like, hey, we don't want to step on any toes here because they're a big company.
Starting point is 00:30:36 We advertise. I'm going to be like, let's take the emails. Let's throw them down on the table, take pictures of them, post them on the internet, put our feet up and crack a cigar and tell everybody exactly what happened. Yeah. I feel the exact same way. And that was my instinct as soon as this happened. I talked to a lot of people about it. I spent a month letting people internally try to do what they could do. I explored some legal options. I was an at-will employee. So there's not a whole lot you can do in that situation. And their social media policy, let me see if I can bring it up because this is kind of interesting. I think it's pretty obvious that this is a CYA policy and it exists so that they can
Starting point is 00:31:09 fire people for any reason whatsoever. It's usually why they have it. One thing I'll say too, as you're pulling it up, this is what the right needs to understand about activism. When I worked for nonprofits, they would do postcarding where these nonprofit organizations would hire people and have them fill out postcards. They would have them go outside and ask people to just sign their name to a postcard. Then they would take thousands and put them all in the mailbox. And then one day a member of Congress just like, here you go, here you go. And they wheelbarrow in all the postcards and just leave them in their room. And they're like, wow, look at all these people who are angry.
Starting point is 00:31:40 You know, I better act this way or I better react to this. You get 50 people who send emails to a serial company and the serial company is like oh no everybody wants us to do something so lucky charms better go woke and in this instance the woke started sending emails to to w is wmal right and then they say oh just fire it'll make it all go away yeah because they know or they're hoping that conservatives won't email them complaining that they fired someone over a Twitter joke because the left is just chaotic and out for some kind of – yeah, I don't know. The crazy thing is 4chan had this reputation for the longest time of don't mess with 4chan. They'll come after you.
Starting point is 00:32:19 Now I guess for whatever reason, you don't really hear a lot about that. It's the left who has become the hornet's nest. Remember it was Colbert talking about Anonymous? And he was talking about this company called – I think it was – what was it? What was it called? HB Gary? Was that what it was? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:36 No. Something federal. I don't know. Maybe it was HB Gary. But Colbert was talking about this security company that went after Anonymous and he said that's like saying they wanted to stick their dick in a hornet's nest and then kick it or something like that it used to be fortune and the libertarian and the right that were the hornet's nest to be feared not to screw with now it's antifa on the left because the corporations are terrified of them and the right
Starting point is 00:32:59 doesn't do anything they call it brigading is that what it's called we get a bunch of people to go do something i i kind of realized the power of that 2007 i think obama was running for office i was like oh we can get this guy elected let's all vote for obama everyone listening vote for obama i would just tell people vote for obama and they did it and then i was like we could all pull our bank our money out of the bank at the same moment on the same day and i was like i think it might be is that illegal to call for that no i, I don't think so. So like mad power. And then I started to get scared like, oh, if I did that and crash the economy, that could be very bad. Yeah, our brigading is real. And there are a lot of sort of more formal left wing advocacy organizations like sleeping giants that
Starting point is 00:33:38 were formed on social media and do these harassment campaigns. Media Matters is sort of infamous for going after people's advertisers. They basically manage to bully all of Tucker Carlson's advertisers out of being on his show, for example, because for them it's obviously not about, oh, we really care about racism and sexism and homophobia and all that. They care about just trying to shut up anybody who disagrees with them politically. That's the real goal because they use these things so dishonestly. But I have the social media policy here.
Starting point is 00:34:08 So the only thing that I could think of that this potentially violated was employees must not use internet venues in a manner that may cause public discredit to employee or to the company. So like I said, it's a CYA. if you do anything we don't like whether on air or off air we can fire you under this policy and that will be considered firing for cause we don't owe you any severance you lose all of your union benefits and you're screwed uh and then they probably assume that people will be scared by the confidential confidentiality aspect of this handbook and not talk about it. But again, that wasn't going to happen. But your tweet was so just not even...
Starting point is 00:34:50 I mean, what if you called Kamala a disgusting pig? That's a good question. I think you would have been fine. I think I probably would have been okay. It's the word brown. Yeah. People have become that sensitive to this insanity. Yeah. That you're talking about colors.
Starting point is 00:35:11 Like if what can, and if you use red, they wouldn't have done anything about it. It's the color brown, black, white. The shades black and white are very sensitive words. Yellow is another one. You can't do that. That's, okay. You can. You just, that's why I use tone when I try to talk about it. But we can take a box of Lucky Charms.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Oh, the camera's not on. Oh, no. I'm sorry. We can put a box of Lucky Charms next to, the camera's not on. Oh, no, I'm sorry. We can put a box of Lucky Charms next to Seamus, or Seamus chose to do it, and someone sent it to him. And everyone laughed, and it's funny that he's like, you know, I'm Irish, so there's leprechauns or whatever. Do you guys think the corporation should have the right to do that, what they did to you? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:39 It's a cultural problem. Companies should be able to, for the most part, fire people for any reason. I say for the most part. There's probably certain circumstances where retaliation after you abuse someone physically and things like that. But I don't know why you'd want to work there, so maybe we should just let companies
Starting point is 00:35:58 sever with people if they want to. There's probably a longer conversation there. But the issue is the culture. A company shouldn't want to do that. And not only that, if a company says, well, you put up a mean tweet about the brown vice president, so we're firing you. And then if the other five people were like, we quit. Even that among the employees would prevent the corporation.
Starting point is 00:36:23 Oh, yeah. You could build within the the company's employees to resist this kind of behavior but 20th century corporations which is what they are right now aren't equipped to handle 21st century media because they're getting bombarded through a central service with all these 50 100 people sending emails to this one guy or this small group of people and they're overloading their uh their like helpline i think what's interesting in my case is the backlash wasn't that big i mean i've had people try to cancel me before and this was relatively minor in comparison it was like maybe 10 people send an email i would guess it wasn't this bombardment that would really lead any honest, real leader to say,
Starting point is 00:37:06 this is too much. This girl's got to go. She's causing us a huge headache. And when you have this policy that talks about how you can't discredit the company, from my perspective, again, this is a huge miscalculation because they are now being publicly discredited 5, 10, 50 times more than they would have otherwise because of this decision to fire me. You know, I have to say this. I honestly don't care about Kamala Harris's outfit being all brown.
Starting point is 00:37:34 It is weird. So I actually have some, some, I have, I have a, I have other clothes. This may be shocking to many people, but I have a brown button up and then I have, you know, like brown t-shirts. And one day I was like, let's see, what should I wear when I go skate or go out? And I looked at them both, and I'm like, man, I would totally look like I worked for UPS if I wore that. So I'm definitely not going to. So you're a racist too. The problem with Kamala is her jacket's the same color as the desk. That's a big mistake.
Starting point is 00:37:59 So it'd be like if your shirt was the same color as the wall behind you, it'd look crazy. It's not a great shade of brown in my opinion. Yeah, it's like poop brown. What was she thinking? It does look like the poop emoji. Like shiny. What can brown do for you? Well, for Kamala Harris, her outfit.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Not a lot. And it is like the UPS color, too. Yeah, it is. I mean, people have put the UPS logo on her little jacket. Yeah, it was a meme. And it was dead on. Dead on. Well, people just got you know you know there
Starting point is 00:38:27 needs to be conservative activist organizations and i hate saying the word conservative because that's not even the issue just not woke yeah there needs to be not well not stupid yeah civil libertarian i think is the is the is the right word that encompasses conservatives and moderates civil libertarian like it there's a there's a there's a tweet going around from some dude and he's like cancel culture has no place in America. Then it's like the I think Defiant L's posted this and the next the next tweet is him saying Disney should be stripped. And I'm like, that's not cancel culture. Not at all. Right. People think that not spending your money with a certain business is cancel culture now. Like that's the left's new talking point is that if
Starting point is 00:39:03 you do anything like they boycott people all the time right but and then when conservatives do it they're like no no you're doing the cancel culture now you're doing the cancel those are saying boycotts and sanctions are not the same thing cancel culture are when you're fired from a job for saying something or banned from twitter that's a sanction cancel culture is digging up messages and taking them out of context taking messages out of context, taking messages out of context. It's when you get someone fired or harassed for something that is not genuine for the most part.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Saying Disney does awful things so we shouldn't provide them with any services and give them the boot is just being like, this is a bad company who literally does things we don't like. That's the whole point of having a free market capitalist system is that you're supposed to be able to spend your dollars where you want to and be able to make those sort of more moral decisions about your finances. And then I'd also add that I think cancel culture is when the punishment doesn't fit the crime. So if you're trying to get someone fired for a tweet,
Starting point is 00:40:00 that is an unjust consequence for something that they supposedly did wrong. Well, then what's my question to you then? Do you think the corporation should be able to fire people like that, like whenever they want? I mean, I signed an at-will contract, so they're within their right to do so. I spend a lot of time on social media and thinking like, should social media companies have the ability to ban whoever they want at any time? And I usually land on, yeah, because I think ultimately what we're going to head towards is near infinite amounts of social media networks all working in parallel with different terms of service all the different
Starting point is 00:40:30 networks will have different terms and all the code will be similar so they'll all be interoperating um i just don't see that corporations at the moment i don't know how to stop these authoritarians from just destroying someone's livelihood at will did you guys see that story about uh i think laurie lightfoot is going to give away was it 50 000 gas cards yeah yeah and i was thinking about that's kind of funny like what do you call it when it's communism but it's not for everyone it's only for a randomly selected lottery and i was like is that demar communism something like that like like only 10 percent get to bask in the communism randomismism. Welcome to our new government.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Well, well, Demarchy is random government. People are randomly chosen to rule. That's why it's like Demar communism. Yeah. But anyway, I bring this up because I'm thinking like, you know, we should do for, for Timcast is just whenever there's like layoffs, we'll just have a, have a, everyone will have to hold a potato. And then whoever's holding the potato when the buzzer goes off is fired.
Starting point is 00:41:25 And so everyone will constantly be throwing it. But if you throw it and no one catches it, it's yours, and we've got cameras. Well, no, so you've got to get someone else to catch it, and then everyone will be throwing it to each other, and then you never know. And then we'll just never put the buzzer on for like a week, so everyone's just walking around throwing a potato around. That's the appropriate way to do it. All right, let's talk about this uh speaking of cancel culture let's talk
Starting point is 00:41:48 about people who should be canceled from the daily mail black lives matter secretly used six million dollars in donations to buy luxurious 6 500 square foot mansion with seven bedrooms and parking for 20 cars in southern california in, where the leaders have filmed YouTube videos. Absolutely amazing. Emails show the firm wanted to keep the purchase a secret, despite filming a video on the house's patio, home's patio in May. The news comes that the foundation faces federal scrutiny for alleged misuse of donation funds and comes in the heels of criticism of co-founder Patrice Cullors.
Starting point is 00:42:21 Cullors, 38, came under fire last year for a slew of high-profile property purchases. She resigned after facing backlash from critics and supporters. And I'm willing to bet that if you go to any Democrat activist or left-wing person and say, hey, this is bad, right? They'll go, well, I mean, you know, but so what? I mean, well, this is not Black Lives Matter. And it's just, you can point out the money's missing, that their address isn't real, that they bought mansions.
Starting point is 00:42:46 This lady's got multiple homes and they'll still just be like, but, but, but, but. Yeah. You see, I don't, I don't, I don't know if there's an equivalent. Is there an equivalent to like BLM on the right? Not really. No. No. Black Lives Matter is an aberration on society and it's very unique.
Starting point is 00:43:00 It's like a communist, uh, aberration. It's a scam. It's a bold statement, Ian. Intentionally seeded. I mean, whether or or not they the communists wanted to create it i don't think so but it's it's very uh it's been infiltrated well and the person who's done a lot of good reporting on this because i just want to give him a shout out i used to work with him andrew kerr he's at i believe the washington examiner now and he was the one who broke this story about last year, Black Lives Matter has this like $60 million war chest, essentially. And he found out that there was
Starting point is 00:43:30 no one in charge of it for eight months. Like nobody knew where this money was, what they were doing with it, who actually had access to it. And then Patrice Collars, who had resigned over buying all of these homes and the backlash that accompanied that, claimed that there were two other people who were supposed to be in charge of BLM's finances. And then they found out that those two people had never even officially taken over that position, and they still haven't provided any answers. They've tried to delay the reporting of their previous fiscal year finances. And just across the board, there's all this corruption that's going on in BLM. And to me, this is just the latest example of how irresponsible they've been with all this money. I think a lot of people probably donate to BLM not to look racist, honestly.
Starting point is 00:44:18 I don't think they actually know the ins and outs of the organization. It's a cult. Yeah. I support the concept that black lives do matter and white lives do they do matter and we should focus on uh class issues but when i say it's an aberration i'm talking about the corporate structure that's taking money and buying houses yeah and the people like this should all be should all be transparent and it should all be on some sort of block i mean it's a little, it's a little early for blockchain.
Starting point is 00:44:45 Look at this house. Oh, that's a nice house. This is Conyers, Georgia house. Who's buying this stuff? Who are these top brass anyway, these people? That's an awesome house right there. It's beautiful, yes. I would love to buy something like that.
Starting point is 00:44:56 I'd totally go for it. She has, you know, this Patrice colors, excellent taste in homes. It's just absolutely amazing. Impeccable. Look at this one. Even this one's just so nice. It's got a little- It's a nice backyard. They made like a little barn. It's got two stories. Wow. It's just absolutely amazing. Impeccable. Look at this one. Even this one's just so nice. It's got a little, they made like a little barn.
Starting point is 00:45:07 It's got two stories. Wow. It's nice. Impeccable. You know, if I was going to be running an international nonprofit that was taking in money
Starting point is 00:45:15 with no accountability that I could then use to my own discretion, I would totally buy these exact same houses. These are nice houses. You might even be able to write them off.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Maybe start a business with them, rent them out, and then when you get exposed you just resign and then go get to be rich for the rest of your life or go work for another activist organization that would be more than happy to have you because you can't ever really be canceled if you work for people like this and i think it's interesting that black lives matter has they started out trying to claim that they were all about like the police brutality issue and then they started bailing out like actual criminals so i don't know if you guys remember the story a few months ago i think it was there was a situation in louisville where this democratic activist who was planning on running for
Starting point is 00:46:00 like city council or something his name is quintes brown he tried to murder a mayoral candidate oh yeah and was was locked up for that and apparently he was upset that this guy who was a democrat like wasn't left-wing enough for him blm went and bailed him out of jail and you had all of these uh these democrats like praising this guy for how uh how great he was as an activist like last year and just think about Kyle Rittenhouse he attempted to murder a politician yeah and BLM bailed him out and this is at the
Starting point is 00:46:32 exact same time that the freedom convoy protesters had their funds seized by on give send go and all of these other financial platforms so any question that he attempted to murder the guy no no he walked into the office and they were like how can we help you? And he pulled out a gun.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Why isn't that guy in jail right now? Because they bailed him out. He made his bail. Is he like going to? Okay. So he bails another story. If he's not a flight risk, maybe then that's another conversation completely. He's crazy.
Starting point is 00:46:56 That this corporation is bailing out people. That's kind of interesting. Yeah. Black Lives Matter bailed him out. Yes. Black. What happened in Illinois? the state gave 300 grand to black lives matter kamala harris has rated tweeted out a fundraiser for black life to well not for
Starting point is 00:47:12 black lives minneapolis to bail out the rioters who were you know i'll be careful here the riots were very much associated with black lives matter but i don't want to accuse the organization of being the same thing but very much so the left is overt in doing all this stuff. You know how I feel when we're talking about Twitter this while, I was like, does it matter? Do we care? Because at this point, it's like, why are we acting like we have anything to do with those people? The way I see it is, get away from the cities, take care of yourself, because these lunatics are going to go smash windows and destroy businesses. There's no reasoning with them. There's no conversation.
Starting point is 00:47:46 We are seeing some of them get charged and sent to jail. This is a relatively recent thing where people are actually getting charged and convicted. But it's like two or three here or there out of the hundreds or thousands that were going through each of these cities and destroying them. So at a certain point, it's like, I just don't consider them to be like citizens of the world of the country that i live in you know there's two distinct countries and there's no point interacting the economy of antifa and blm does not in any way interact with the economy here of me so i just ignore it it's just what's what's the point right now oh black lives matter ripped off
Starting point is 00:48:21 all a bunch of dumb people they're happy they they got ripped off. They don't care. We're complaining about an organization we didn't donate to. I'm just like, you know what, man? Let people be ripped off. There was a point where I wanted to go up to people and beg, listen, they're ripping you off. They're taking your money and they're buying houses. But they don't care. They like it. So then what do you do?
Starting point is 00:48:41 You keep doing what you're doing and don't get derailed by it. That's for sure you make better software technology I'm not going to stop making better social media tech because there's dumb racists out there I will acknowledge them I'm not going to completely ignore them but I'm not going to let them deviate me from my path
Starting point is 00:48:58 and you should do the same continue on your path strong I think the issue is there was a point where there was an argument between left and right that we were one country and we were going through a you were having a bitter period in our relationship then at some point the you know the other half of the relationship started throwing bricks and firebombs and mortars and at that point you should be like like when if you're fighting with your significant other when they start hitting you is when you need to leave. And so at this point, it's like,
Starting point is 00:49:30 you want to burn down cities. The people who want to stay there and are fine with it, I've already given my two cents. You need to get away from that. If you don't want to, okay. There's a woman being battered by her husband and you say, get away from him. And then she won't. At a certain point, you're like, I've tried what I can try. If she won't leave, what am I supposed to do? Yeah. And this is one of the things that drives me absolutely crazy about a lot of fellow conservatives is that they still like desperately want the approval of the left, whether it's like corporate media. I mean, for example, I'll go back to the Trump administration. One of my biggest complaints
Starting point is 00:50:01 with them was that they were constantly feeding scoops and, you know, leaking to the New York Times and in the Washington Post. And it's like, why are you constantly rewarding the people who hate you? No matter what you do, these people are never going to think that you're a good person. They're never going to accept you. They're never going to think the way that you do about issues or policy. They're always going to think that you're evil. yet constantly so many people on the right fall into this trap of thinking if i could just do this one thing i could change their mind this is part of the reason it was so frustrating to me to watch trump try to get on the side of the media and he would make fun of them and he's like oh line mainstream media or
Starting point is 00:50:39 whatever but you know it at the end of the day he was like well i really actually do care what the new york times says about me. He kept doing sit down interviews with them. Why was the Trump administration inviting people from CNN to go have background briefings with administration officials and letting them have exclusive quotes in interviews and stories? It's crazy to me. It was Trump's nostalgia.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Yeah. Why didn't Trump get on Gab or Mines? Why didn't he do a daily YouTube video blog? I mean, he had everything in front of him, but he's from the 50s, 1950s or whenever he was born. Or he didn't have anybody in his administration who could tell him, like, hey, you need to directly connect with people better. I think it was kind of both, right? I think part of it was that he longed for the days when he was adored by the media and was this you know superstar that could do no wrong and people really glorified him and then it was also the staffing issues where he did have a lot of
Starting point is 00:51:30 staff members who were either actively undermining his uh administration or just really stupid yeah not very good at their jobs well ignorant that's a good way because they just didn't know the about the technology they didn't know how to do it. Not necessarily stupid. They might have also been stupid. I don't know. This is one of the reasons why I'm more interested in a DeSantis 2024 than a Trump 2024. Because DeSantis and I've been told it's his wife. They're very savvy with what's happening culturally and on social media. Great team.
Starting point is 00:52:01 And so I look at that and I'm like, could you imagine how DeSantis would handle the press? Look, they're going to smear him. They're going to try and destroy him the same as they did with Trump, but he's just better at it. And to your point about like a daily YouTube video, that's something I could imagine a DeSantis administration actually doing. Not necessarily that way, but doing something more active on social media for directly connecting with people. I think the issue with Trump is that politically he's in the right place for so many Americans, but he's just very old and he was getting bad advice. I wonder if DeSantis would be a lot better with the media because they've never liked him.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Whereas Trump, he had this long spell where, you know, he was on The Apprentice and he was just big and rich and famous, larger than life personality. And they liked him. They ate it up. They wrote all kinds of stuff about him even before he was running for president i remember melania trump being on the cover of some dumb magazine when she got married to him with her glorious dress and i was like never again would we see this once he got elected and that has to sting especially for a guy with an ego like that but i think desantis would get it in the bag it will be really awesome though if trump wins in 2024. And then that means he wins with the help of people who voted for Biden in 2020.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Yeah. Just to prove a point. Yeah. Just to be like, hey, all those people. Yeah. Yeah. Biden was bad. Be like Obama voters.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. You know, but real quick, that also means some of these people are going to refuse to vote for Trump out of the personal ego. So they might be like, I can't do that. I can't have been that guy who was like, Trump is worse than Hitler and now come crawling back to him. I refuse. I will never admit that. You get a DeSantis and they'll be like, oh, well, I mean, you know, I was always against Biden and DeSantis is better. So the other thing that makes me nervous about DeSantis, though, is that i think there there have been a lot of more establishmenty and never trumpy type people who are 100 on board with desantis and that makes me a little bit nervous because i worry that people who were
Starting point is 00:53:58 really on board with trump particularly the people who moved over from the democratic party the obama voters who would see that in as a bit of a betrayal. Like, why am I supporting the same guy that these people support? And I wouldn't want to jump away from Trump too quickly, because I think a lot of Trump supporters did have a valid reason for liking him in particular, even over other people who support some of the same policies, because he really was a trailblazer for the Republican Party in terms of a lot of those more populist-y, nationalistic policies, and also just speaking
Starting point is 00:54:29 the way that he did. I know a lot of people who said, I've never heard a politician talk the way that I talk, like at the shop with my co-workers or in the locker room with my friends, things like that. And that cult of personality is personality is i mean like it or not really important you know my politics downside of that i agree i like the way he talked like uh well i mean he said some crass stuff but i like that he was honest and like just off the cuff and then it's day one he started reading speeches he'd come on tv and he'd be talking like this and like that and like that's not trump that's not donald trump that's not how he talks and it was so he just just just just got filed into the machine it felt like day one he had john bolton on staff and like i don't you know i don't want round two i'll be honest not right away
Starting point is 00:55:15 bolton but uh i think it was what sheldon adelson you know told him trump to do it and trump was like okay and and i guess my understanding is he legitimately thought it was going to be a good idea that just goes to show that Trump really did not know what to expect when it came to this well he had Reince Priebus as his chief of staff I would imagine if you were going to do it and do it right for real you'd have to have your own way of doing it and there'll be tons of people being like no don't do it that way no we got to stop him and you'll be like gone and away from them they can't even find you because you're doing it the way you want to do it and what i understand is there was a plan for the second term to root out a lot of the people who were undermining trump so like john mcinty was placed in charge of personnel uh towards the last year and he was basically compiling like a hit
Starting point is 00:55:58 list of employees that were not loyal and needed to get the hell out late and yeah it was too late and like amanda millius was in the trump administration she's spoken about um changing federal rules so that you can fire uh non-political appointees more easily and things like that so i mean there's a lot of ways that this could be done better i just hope that if trump were to run again that he would be listening to the right people this time around and make those decisions more wisely i think we do another trump 2024 we do another trump uh run with 2024 and then after trump you get to sanders yeah it's like inevitable yeah i mean do you think that we can handle that the country can maintain
Starting point is 00:56:33 with cult leaders like this like a like a singular leader over and over and over again you think we can no no no hold together as a union with two terms i just i fear that cult leader if he only has two terms i fear that having a central central leader is a vulnerability that the country can't handle. Well, having a decentralized leader now isn't any good either. Well, he's a centralized authority. He gets all the rules go through him. But what I mean is that he's not the head honcho decision maker of his administration. I disagree.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Do you? And I think this actually plays into Ian's point. Biden is, and he's insane because his brain has deteriorated to this point. But I think, look, Kamala Harris, she's 11 staffers have quit on her. She is just sitting there spinning in circles, confused and blabbering, making no sense. There's there's no real leadership in this administration at all. I genuinely think that there are – there's a combination of two things. People exploiting the opportunity and just doing what they want because Biden's out of it. And people who are like, what should we do, Joe? And Joe's like, you know, you got to – next row wrestling. You know? You got to boot him for the war crimes.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Do what the young people want. And then he gets up and he goes, get it done. And he walks out and they're like, I don't what next arrest it means what do i do i i i legit think that um you know some people believe that he's a puppet and i'm like no if he was a puppet there would be a plan like if somebody was in charge there would be a cohesive string of events do you think it's possible though that there's more than one person directly underneath biden that is that are competing for oh yeah decision-making ability like ron clain or yes but that's that's kind of my point too that they're still beholden to biden in a certain way and they're they're they're you know biden is a central authority and as a next now fluorescent
Starting point is 00:58:24 batta calf care, tune in on a shot of pressure and whatever garbage garbled word garbage, he said, president there, they're, they're, they're unable to pull the trigger on things without the president's approval. And the president is just basically a walking corpse at this point. So what that does is when the power is centralized in Biden and Biden can't speak words, right, then the whole system is just shaking like a rickety bridge on the verge of snapping. I disagree with the idea that Trump is a cult leader or a cult of personality. Trump is just a leader.
Starting point is 00:58:57 And he came out and he said, these are problems. And a bunch of Americans were like, we agree. No one's dealing with those things. And so they said, I'll vote for you. I meant more in the general sense of the way our system's structured, that we vote for our hero, that our popularity contest to put someone in supreme power is like a cult. It's like an American – we call it the government, American government, but it's a cult where we choose our leader. And then we're all like, ah, we're all surrounding the leader. But it's not.
Starting point is 00:59:23 You're overlooking Congress, Senate, the Supreme Court. They're there. They're important, too. Yeah, I mean, the executive doesn't have as much power as people think. But I think what's interesting about Trump is that it was almost the opposite of a popularity contest because people almost voted for him because he was unpopular. Like, I don't think Trump was the guy that, I mean, if you go back to, like, the Bush election, people were like, oh, I'd rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry, for example.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Is that really the case with Donald Trump? Like, I don't know. I think a lot of people held their nose and voted for Trump. And it was kind of the opposite of a popularity contest in that way. Well, they I guess that's right. I mean, it was it was almost like despite his personality, we will vote for him because we like these particular things or we like the way he speaks. But name recognition. I was at the airport. I was at the airport.
Starting point is 01:00:06 I was at a airport. I think I was in Texas. And I went to the lounge at the bar and there was a woman. And I asked her to turn off CNN or something and put on Fox. And then she said something about, you know, I can't stand it. We started talking a little bit. There was a guy sitting to my left. And then all of a sudden we were all talking about politics.
Starting point is 01:00:24 She told me that she was like, look, for bernie so i didn't like any of these people biden's terrible and i'm like here here i felt that way in 2016 but i think trump at least did stuff we've never seen before or at least in my generation the guy on my left chimes in and he goes oh i voted for trump and i'll vote for him again but i wouldn't invite him to my house for dinner and then we all laughed and i was like that's kind of the way i think a lot of people felt about it you know he was like he's a good president but he's kind of a dick and i'm like yeah yeah a lot of people were like we recognize the problem of trump but and that's why the left went so hard on the suburban women vote in 2020 because they really wanted to emphasize Trump's personality defects. What I think the Trump administration or campaign rather did wrong in their response was they tried to win over like white liberal wine moms by talking about criminal justice reform and like everything that they're doing
Starting point is 01:01:25 for opportunity zones when they should have been talking about how like trump could stop the riots before they got to your neighborhood like they they misunderstood the solution to what the left was telling people about trump's personality and he could have leveraged that i think in a much more effective way on the campaign trail but and and so playing into your point, Ian, about cult leaders and centralized authority, I think if you look at one of the most important issues in the culture war, gun rights, you can see that centralization doesn't have anything to do with culture. Georgia is about to sign into law constitutional carry, which will make it the 25th state. And I want to I want to state for the record a correction because I was right.
Starting point is 01:02:07 When I was on Joe Rogan's show in November, I said that I said, I think majority of the country is constitutional carry. And then Joe was like, no, no, that can't be right. And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure. And then Jamie pulled, looked it up and it said 13 states. And I went only 13 doesn't sound right. That was a very old number. It was 24.
Starting point is 01:02:27 I believe it was 24 at the time. 24 states have it. Had it. It may have been 21 at the time because in the past four months there's been a wave. That's really cool. But 21, better than 13. So I was wrong, but not that wrong. And I want to make sure that everybody knows this.
Starting point is 01:02:42 Georgia is about to sign into law constitutional carry. Ron DeSantis is talking about a special legislative session, which may include constitutional carry, which means 26 states. Permitless, conceal and open carry. You walk in, you're a resident. Some of these states are constitutional carry. I think constitutional carry applies to non-residents as well at a certain age limit. It's like 21.
Starting point is 01:03:05 That means you can, if you're in Texas and then I think Louisiana doesn't have it, but if you go from Georgia to, say, Mississippi and they're both constitutional carry, you don't got to worry about crossing that border. This is a huge cultural change and victory showing the sentiment of the American people that the federal politicians don't matter when regular people vote for state reps, for state senators, for local politicians. Your state can do right. Seeing all that happen shows just how important it is that we utilize and pay attention to our decentralized political system and don't stay heavily focused on just
Starting point is 01:03:40 Trump winning. That is to say, good, vote for Trump in 2024 if that's what you want, but make sure you're voting in the primaries right now. 2022, midterms are coming up and it's not gonna matter if people set up the primaries because you're gonna get a whole bunch of rhinos, neocons, establishment uniparty garbage. But yeah, the constitutional carry thing has me super excited.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Yeah. Yeah, me too. I mean, I'm a gun owner myself. Well, actually, I recently lost them on a boating accident. It was very tragic. But, you know, I love guns, grew up with guns. And like, I'm a huge proponent of maybe having classes in school where students can learn gun safety.
Starting point is 01:04:16 I think that would go a long way towards making people feel more comfortable with gun culture if they didn't grow up with it. Did you see it? I think it was like Alaska or something. Yeah. They were doing airsoft training in the gym. I think that is awesome. No.
Starting point is 01:04:27 I mean, what? No, no, no. It's terrible. Why? Those kids should be outside with.22s. Okay. All right. You got me.
Starting point is 01:04:33 They shouldn't be using airsoft in a gym. That's a good way to use it. They should be outside with Ruger 10.22s, and they should be getting proper instruction. It'd be fantastic. I mean, I think that you would see a huge reduction in things like accidental gun deaths or I don't know, like some of these other statistics that the left likes to throw out to make people afraid of guns. If you just raise people to understand that they are a tool that needs to be treated with very specific safety regulations and the way that you behave with a gun. And they're not toys to be played with. And they're not anything to be afraid of. Let's have a gun debate. We have this story from the Daily Mail.
Starting point is 01:05:11 Gun-wielding Texas man who shot dead his partner's ex-husband during furious child custody row will not be charged after shooting is ruled to be in self-defense. This is a very, very interesting story. So you can see here, these two guys are getting at it. One guy's got a gun. I think it's a, it's a, um, I can't remember which kind of gun it is, but it's a nine millimeter, a long gun of some sort. So I'll just give you the quick rundown. And then we're going to have this debate because, you know, we were talking about a bit about a bit before the show. So this dude is told you pick up your son from your ex-wife at 3.15.
Starting point is 01:05:46 He shows up. His ex-wife says, no. He says, where is my son? She says, I wanted to stay with him longer, so I'm not going to be giving him to you. And he says, you know, in fact, he basically is like, I'm here because the court says 3.15. He is mine.
Starting point is 01:06:03 I come here at 3.15. And then he goes, I'm going to drag you all, you, Anne-Marie, and so-and-so to court. Right when he says this, his ex-wife's boyfriend comes out with the gun and comes on the porch and tells him to get out. The dad gets up in his face, doesn't use his arms, and starts saying, oh, are you going to shoot me or something like that? The dude with the gun fires one into the ground. Then they tussle, spin around. The dad pushes the homeowner a few feet off his porch
Starting point is 01:06:30 and the homeowner, his wife's ex-boyfriend, or his wife's current boyfriend, his ex-wife's boyfriend, immediately raises the rifle and goes pop, pop towards his own house, hitting the dad twice,
Starting point is 01:06:39 killing him instantly. I believe it was instant. Now the court is saying he is not going to be charged with the crime. This one's tough because on the letter of the law, I'm torn on this one. Was he acting in self-defense? Did he have a right to shoot and kill this dad who was coming to get his son? There's two ways I look at it. The first is if the court tells me, be here and get your son, you have to do it. It's custody. Like you have no, you can't just ditch your kid. And I show up and they're like, we're not giving the kid up or telling you where he is. And then the dude walks
Starting point is 01:07:15 out with a gun. I'm going to be like, you've kidnapped my child. And now you're threatening me with a weapon. I'm here under a court order. Does that guy have a right to come out with a gun on that alone? I'm like'm like no and then not only not only did he shoot and kill the dad he pointed he shot he shot and killed the dad towards his own house that's one of the one of the rules of gun safety know what is beyond your target he could have shot his own daughter because his daughter was filming on the inside i couldn't really tell when we watched the video maybe we can watch it again i don't know where you're planning on playing it it's i don't know if we can't play it's pretty brutal but the daughters are in the house filming out the window
Starting point is 01:07:48 okay when he aims at him and fires his i can't tell if he's pointed at the house or like it's pointed sideways alongside the house the guy was on the porch so i'm pretty sure it was at the house and then the other problem was that he shot into the ground to sort of escalate the situation and that's another no-no. You don't fire warning shots, right? Like, because you don't know what's, where you're pointing. I think they knew each other. The big dude was abusive.
Starting point is 01:08:13 And the little guy. Why was the big dude abusive? I just have, this is the feeling I'm getting from this. The big guy was notably abusive. That's why they weren't together. And the little guy, they knew each other and they hated each other. Like, clearly hate each other. That's the vibe I was getting. Because he went right at his face when he came out with the gun.
Starting point is 01:08:27 They got right in each other's face. So this is the problem I have with it. If the assumption of this guy's name is William Carruth, who shot and killed Chad Reed. If you're in your house and you hear fighting outside and you don't know what's going on, you have a right to keep and bear arms. It's your property. I agree. I might get my gun as well. People are screaming. I'll be like, I don't know what's going on, but there might be something bad happening. You walk out with your gun. Next thing you know, a guy gets up in your face. It's screaming at you. Your first reaction is to fire into the ground as like you can call an escalation, but you have the
Starting point is 01:09:03 option to shoot the guy who just got up in your face. Maybe he just panicked and said, I think it's stupid to shoot in the ground, mind you. And then the guy grabs you. You both spin. He pushes you back. Now he separated you from your home. He could go in and harm your daughters. So you say, no, pop, pop.
Starting point is 01:09:19 From that perspective, I'm like, I get it. We don't know what this guy knew. But the problem is, man, the, the, the Chad Reed guy was there legally to pick up his kid. And, and it didn't even get, there was not enough time for him to even call the cops. Apparently his new wife was already calling the police about, about the argument when the art, when the yelling happened and all the dad said was, I'm taking you to court, like not even a threat of violence. And the dude walks out with a gun. This is the challenge here.
Starting point is 01:09:53 Because if this dude, William Carruth, knew why the dad was there, you know, and what was going on and came out with his gun, then I'd say charge him. But we can't assume he did know. And he can just be like, I had no idea. I heard yelling. And then it's like gun rights. If people are fighting on your property, you got a right to defend it. And like you said, and we don't know the history of these two guys. I mean, it's possible that they've gotten into it before he knows that this guy could potentially come into the house
Starting point is 01:10:11 and harm his own children or be looking for this kid. I mean, we really don't know the situation. I'm also sympathetic to the idea that if your son is being withheld from you, and you have a right to be with your son then parental instinct kind of kicks in and like people will do anything to save and help their children if they feel like their children are being parentally kidnapped so i understand that impulse at a certain point though you have to be smart enough to think if i get myself involved in this situation if i'm trying to grab this guy's gun whatever am i better off trying to be the better person in retreat and potentially save my life and get the court or the police involved
Starting point is 01:10:50 as opposed to trying to start this fight that you're not going to win because you don't also have a weapon i mean it's this is a difficult situation i don't really know how like who is right here i mean maybe they both were wrong in different ways but it's it's it's tough because like do you send a guy to jail because he pulled a gun on his own property because a guy was yelling and then a guy got in his face? But then I'm also thinking about if the court orders someone to be there and you come out – like imagine if this guy was a cop who was instructed to be there for law enforcement purposes and you walk out with your gun and the cop rushes you. I guess it's different my issue is just like this dude is trying to get his child and when the wife is saying no and he's like my kid's been kidnapped a dude then comes out with a gun and at that point i'm sure the dad's like you've kidnapped my child and are threatening me with a rifle with a long gun like yo i'm surprised all he did was get in his face well he also chest bumped him which is aggravated and then he
Starting point is 01:11:51 touches the gun too he touches his hand that's on the gun which basically is that dual possession at this point like the ahmaud arbery case you know if you put your hand on the weapon not that's basically you're telling me you're gonna to try and take it out of my hands. But not when they separate and the dude goes pop, pop. The challenge is, do you really blame a dad for getting in the face of a guy who walked out with a gun when his son's missing? We got to talk about what's legal and what's right. That's the thing. Morally, I don't think that he was necessarily wrong. But legally, I don't know that even if somebody has your kid, if you're allowed to go into somebody else's home or try to grab that.
Starting point is 01:12:26 I don't know what the legal situation is there. I think definitely not. If someone ever comes out on their front porch with a rifle and tells you to get off their property, get off their property. Right. You go to the truck and you call the police. I mean, you're asking for a bad situation at this point. Not to victim blame, but. I think that's the best we can do, to be honest.
Starting point is 01:12:44 Yeah. That he should have immediately backed up, backed away, and said, I'm getting the cops. at this point not to victim blame but i think that's the best we can do to be honest yeah that he should have immediately backed up backed away and said i'm getting the cops and the cops would have come and he would have won the fight the cops would have been like you are illegally withholding a child you can't come out here with that weapon go back in your house and guess what he would have probably gotten more custody of the kid if he had let this play out because they would have been accused of endangering the child as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:08 That split second of the dad walking up to do with a gun. You see him snap when the guy comes out with a gun. He just goes right in his face like he wants to fight that guy. Man. Yeah. Because if you're his kid, it's his son. The way he doesn't even care about the kid anymore. He just wants to hurt the guy. This was like almost inevitable to me the way that these guys were so quick to go after each other.
Starting point is 01:13:26 Let's get to the dark part. The dark part is the mom has the kids living with the dude who killed their dad. That's nuts. Apparently the kids were like, this is your fault, mom. This is almost like, these kids are probably going to hear this show someday, man.
Starting point is 01:13:38 At this point, it's like, I'm sorry, guys. I mean, I'm here for you. Apparently the kids are like really upset. As they should i gotta i gotta be honest if it were me when i was a kid i would have ran away yeah no joke i'm not gonna i there's no way i'd live with the dude who you know killed my dad well now we i don't know enough about the conversation because that guy might have been really abusive but you said the kids i mean it's still their dad no they're apparently saying like it's your fault, you know. Wow. It's a crazy story. This is America.
Starting point is 01:14:06 It's so traumatic. They're aware that Kyle Carruth shot and killed their father in front of their mother, stepbrother, and myself. A judge denied the petition for custody. So this is the dead father's new wife. She was trying to get custody, and they were like, no, you're not a blood relative. So the kids have to live with the dude who killed their dad. There's so much with our custody system
Starting point is 01:14:33 that is at fault here too because the default would be you have to go to a blood relative is obviously super problematic when you have family members that are not fit to raise children. And I think it's really unfortunate that you can't assign to like a family friend
Starting point is 01:14:47 or a distant relative or something like that in a situation like this, where clearly these kids are living in a traumatic, potentially abusive situation, and yet you can't separate them for whatever reason. It's another reason why I think, for example, the impulse to always give custody of the children or majority custody to the mother is not always the best policy either. So there's a lot that needs to be reformed in that system. Maybe if they had gotten this right from the beginning, this issue wouldn't have arisen to begin with.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Man, I suppose the challenge is the moment that Chad Reed was on the porch with access to the house and Carruth was off the porch with no access to the house. That's where it becomes justification because now he's in between Carruth and his daughters. Yeah. Is it not justification if you're just like get off my property and then the guy? Actually, hold on. I don't know if it was Carruth's daughters. It might have been Chad Reed's daughters. Oh, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:15:44 Yeah, it might have been his kids. I'm not entirely sure. Yeah, I guess there's some context we would need to pull up. I think it was his. It might have been his kids in there. I'm not entirely sure. If it was Chad's daughters, then that would have made this guy with a gun more callous about pointing it toward the house i think that actually kind of makes sense which i would think would then be an argument for not ever leaving those kids in his custody ever these poor kids now i don't know where they end
Starting point is 01:16:13 up so sad yeah i think the kids inside the house were chad reed's kids not yeah oh my gosh i'm not sure though that that's that. Yeah, a little bit. But he was only there to pick up his son. So again, I'm not entirely sure. It's been a while. We covered this when we talked about it when the story first broke. But I wonder if people are pointing it out. No, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:16:36 Well, you guys comment. You guys super chat and then we'll get to it when we talk about super chat so we can maybe correct the record if we mix something up. Crazy stuff, man. Yeah, this is a crazy philosophical conundrum, I gotta say. How about we, do you guys want to waste time talking? No, let's not. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:53 Firstly, Madonna or we can talk about something more serious. What's Madonna up to? Oh, gosh. I'm talking about Madonna a lot. Hot minute. I think this is one of those stories that we can get in trouble for talking about. It's, man, this is more of a pop culture kind of thing. But I also think, I kind of just want to talk about it.
Starting point is 01:17:13 She got a lot of face work done? A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. So take a look at this. Madonna's bizarre TikTok video raises eyebrows as fans grow concerned over the star's unsettling appearance. What has she done to herself? This was such a weird video too i saw it first it does look like she got ridiculous plastic surgery and it makes her
Starting point is 01:17:30 look really bad uh but there's a couple of things i wanted to point out and i think this plays to like cultural issues for one the obsession with relevance on social media clearly now like this is like what did she post it on TikTok? Yeah. And everyone's sharing it. But I wonder if this is actually just the front-facing camera making her look distorted. Yeah, it looks like a fisheye lens of some sort. I don't think so because she's posted other photos and videos, the bathtub thing, on her Instagram and TikTok that make it pretty clear that this is some pretty heavy work being done. And she had her butt done too. And it's
Starting point is 01:18:05 one of those really obviously fake situations where you don't even know how they sit down on it gosh uncomfortable so here look at this video you can see it it's just creepy oh man it's so cringe it's so creepy what is going on so here's here's what i want to talk about this because it's it's it's it's just it is kind of relaxing to talk about the inanity of of this pop culture stuff but i also think what people don't realize celebrities get plastic surgery and then they look really good and no one says anything but then when they age the weird scar tissue doesn't age the same way a regular face would so they start to look really really weird as get older. I used to take care of old ladies and sometimes they'd get boob jobs.
Starting point is 01:18:48 And these things would stay where they were implanted and the rest of the lady would sag. And I was like, why did you do this to yourself? It was horrible. And you could just see them. Oh my gosh, it was horrible. But anyway, yeah. I want to advise people not to get plastic surgery
Starting point is 01:19:02 unless you have to. Like for medical reconstruction or something don't do it don't hurt yourself why does anyone do it i really don't get it i mean the only situation i could see that's semi-justifiable is if you're like a tv personality and you get like a little bit of botox to even outlines in the forehead i mean something really minor but why vanity is a real thing and and unfortunately when you have people on social media for all of their lives i think it's more difficult now than ever to age gracefully and if people are really nasty about appearances on the internet
Starting point is 01:19:36 my teeth are jagged like a jigsaw puzzle i wear the same clothes every day i wear beanie all the time i got no hair whatever i'm not going to get surgery i'm not going to get the you know i got uh i got uh crowns i think yeah that was because my my molar cracked i had a root canal when i was little and then this one yeah reconstructive surgery is fine i mean you want to use plastic surgery for reconstructive burn surgery stuff like that that's what it's for i mean that's that's a phenomenal advancement in human medicine but don't rip up your face well and did you guys hear about this story with Bella Hadid, the supermodel who got a nose job when she was 14 years old? Like her face wasn't even done growing into itself yet.
Starting point is 01:20:13 And apparently her parents signed off on this cosmetic procedure. And now, of course, she regrets it. She's like, you know, I had this really interesting ancestral nose and I think I would have grown into it. And now I'm forever living with the knowledge that I modified myself in a way that I'm not happy with when I was 14. They're going to get, uh, I was, I was hearing stories about like young girls wanting to get plastic surgery to look like filters and that like older women are getting plastic surgery to look like the filters make them on Instagram. Yo, there, there is a, there is a malignancy. I guess, is it coming from the internet that's making people?
Starting point is 01:20:48 That's what I was saying before about social media, TikTok, whatever, making people do this. It's coming through the internet, but it's not from the internet. It's coming from people. Individuals are either inadvertently perpetuating a sick cycle. Probably they want to look like cartoon characters. A lot of this, like the whole idea of for the furry thing like i think i'm a you know fuzzy animal no they don't think they're animals i think they're cartoons i think the most beautiful you can be is who you really are you don't need to mash up your
Starting point is 01:21:14 face or your body or any of that stuff it's healthy too because it makes you more beautiful to that yeah this is a crazy thing to me too i've never really understood why everybody wants to be somebody else not everybody well i mean that figuratively i know because even i play role-playing games i like to fantasize about being a hero in a strange land you know sometimes it makes me a better performer just thinking those things like living out fantasy realities i mean like of course we all we play games sometimes there is escapism that i'm not talking about that i'm saying how like people are like they look in the mirror and they're like, I need to cut this up and restructure it.
Starting point is 01:21:48 I want to be something different. It's like, I don't understand why you're not happy with just being you. I think that this especially applies to women. I don't know if you agree with me on this. Yes, 100%. I find it to be so much simpler to just be yourself, put a little bit of makeup on, paint the barn, my dad used to say. But I think in Madonna's case, it's because she's getting older and she knows it and i think it's terrifying to her so she's like really going
Starting point is 01:22:08 out especially in like the world of pop stardom yeah right you almost have an age limit on how long you're allowed to be relevant in the industry and there's a lot of pressure from music executives to look a certain way uh i mean like gone is the world of these amazing, like, 70s singer-songwriters that could look however, but as long as they delivered a good music product, they would be really successful. Now there's really this pop star culture where you kind of have to look and dress a certain way in order to be popular in the music industry, and I think that's really unfortunate. And then there's the question of just social media's amplification of people's insecurities. I mean, growing up as a young teen girl, I felt like we all had body image issues and
Starting point is 01:22:55 worried about our appearance. I can't imagine how much more difficult that would have been if I was on Instagram all day looking at these influencers who all look exactly the same, yet none of them are real. They all have plastic surgery or filters or all of these other body modification tools to their disposal, editing software, Photoshop, things like that. When you're fed that feedback loop constantly, that's really hard for young women. And I think if you're a parent like you have to be thinking about limiting your kids access to social media and their phones as much
Starting point is 01:23:30 as possible no social media none i feel i don't i don't want them to have a phone nothing like you get a brick ipod and that's it yeah and this is funny too is i several years ago i was like i got my niece a cell phone so that she could make you know learn apps and do all this stuff and be tech savvy and then i remember being like you know her dad took it away saying i don't want her to have this and i was like why would you do that now after a couple years i'm like oh yeah yeah take a look at this photo right here oh these guys you guys oh no i've seen this before look at the so these are the two famous brothers or whatever twins i think what are they called bogdanoff bogdanoff twins did one think they're called. What are they called? Bogdanoff. Bogdanoff twins. Did one of them die recently?
Starting point is 01:24:06 I think they both did. Yeah, they both did. Why would they want to look like that? So they were TV stars, right? So check this out. Ready for this? Oh, gosh. That's them when they were younger.
Starting point is 01:24:15 Oh, yeah. I remember that. Before work? They still had a lot of work done. Right. They still look weird. They're starting to look like everything else. That's the problem with work.
Starting point is 01:24:23 It makes you look like everything else. But I'm wondering if Vague and boring. No, no. I'm wondering if they got the work when they were young and this is what happens when you age with all that. No, that's more work. More work. More work, definitely. Yeah, they went overboard. 100%. Did they think they looked good? No. I think it's kind of like
Starting point is 01:24:39 They never did. I think plastic surgery is kind of addictive in the way that tattoos are to some people as well. That's how it is. If you think you look bad, no amount of plastic surgery is kind of addictive in the way that tattoos are to some people as well. That's how it is. If you think you look bad, no amount of plastic surgery is going to change that. Exactly. So these people do it, and then they still think they look good, and then they do it, and they still think it comes from within. This makes me think a little bit of gender reassignment surgery.
Starting point is 01:24:57 Yes. Because the problem is not in your physical body. It is 100% inside your head, and no amount of changing your body is going to fix what's going on in your mind. And this is what people who de-transition say. They're like, nobody dealt with the problem. That was my thinking. I will say the food is like no amount of plastic surgery is going to fix your mind, but the food can fix your body and your mind. Well, look, if you look in the mirror and it's, I think plastic surgery, cosmetic surgery, and any kind of body modification surgery, any kind, be it trans-species like some people do or transgender or whatever, I think you've got a disconnect between your perception, your body or whatever. As you're mentioning, that's the issue.
Starting point is 01:25:41 Body dysmorphia. Yeah. issue like the body dysmorphia yeah so my my my issue here is there's literally nothing you can do unless we develop like nanotech cellular cellular reprogramming or something and then you go into like a stasis chamber that changes your body or something we just do not have the technology to actually give you something that represents what you see and you know or want nor should we i i mean i don't think i well i mean if if what if we literally develop technology that you can like actually i don't know physically change your body literally legitimately in the future somehow then i'd be like okay whatever i say okay whatever to a lot of look if these people want to do this i
Starting point is 01:26:23 got no problem with it i'm just saying right right now, the technology does not exist to make you look the way you want to look. Right. So right now, our best course of action is to teach people that it's going to be hard, but you're going to have to change the way that you think. And you can use cognitive behavioral therapy. There are a lot of different things that you can do. I don't know. Most people don't want to go on to antidepressants. I completely understand that. But right now we have the power to change how you view the world. And even though I know it's hard and every day might be a struggle, people who deal with addictions have this and they overcome it. And this is something that they really get a grip on. And every single day is a struggle. I still managed to do it. So I think if we can change
Starting point is 01:26:57 people's minds now, we should make that a higher priority than trying to change your body. Let me ask this question though, because you were saying they shouldn't, like people shouldn't modify their bodies. Is that a fair assessment? I mean, in cases where they have like a medical problem, I think that's different. For aesthetic reasons, no, I don't think they should. Like what if we get to the point technologically where you can actually take a 10-year-old kid and they walk inside a chamber and then they actually completely change genders like literally biologically 100 you don't think they should
Starting point is 01:27:31 no absolutely not i mean and i'm catholic so maybe this has like something to do with it but i'm very resistant to altering human nature in the way that we experience the world i think that gets to really dangerous places what if they were 18 and they walked in and like a genie snap, boom, they were the opposite sex? I still think that's bad. No. Yeah, I'm not about that at all. It's an interesting question because, you know, as we're thinking about plastic surgery
Starting point is 01:27:57 and all that stuff, I'm like, is the issue permanent body damage that these kids are going to be, many of them sterilized? Or, you know know is that the is that the issue and then if there was a way that the kid actually changed like to me i don't support gender transitions generally because i don't think they address the underlying issue which is the insecurity and the body dysmorphia and then for kids it's worse because it's life-changing and they're not obviously of of age to consent to that type of change. Yo, it's going to be real crazy when we're in the metaverse.
Starting point is 01:28:29 You're going to have a kid born in the metaverse and they're going to be like, oh, hey, mom, I'm trans. And then they click a button and their avatar just changes. But when we're at the point where your brain is plugged in and their digital bodies are indistinguishable from base reality, then people are going to be walking around like dragons and carrots and there's gonna be a rabbit you're gonna you're gonna sit down in your office and there's gonna be a big rabbit and he's gonna be like
Starting point is 01:28:53 hello i'm john your boss i just don't see any way how that's not bad for like a truth centric society right like we should want people to try to seek truth this will be crazy if we if we if we get to the point where we we primarily exist in the metaverse you could be born into a digital reality where your brain's plugged in like the matrix choose an avatar for yourself that say like a giant carrot and then one day when the metaverse breaks down and you get ejected from it you'll be like oh what am i like i'm not a carrot anymore you'd freak out you know i actually took some heat last week i know imagine that on twitter again but i was talking about this press release i got from this company that is actually partnering with the metaverse to create a narcos
Starting point is 01:29:36 experience in the metaverse so you basically get to be a drug lord and like run this cartel or whatever like that but for me it's a different experience when you feel like you're in it right like that's west world level stuff and i play video games like i'm definitely not a person who says ban video games because they lead to violence or anything like that but to me the metaverse and there's been preliminary studies that have talked about the effects of virtual reality on the brain. And apparently when you're doing these things in the metaverse or in virtual reality, your brain actually stores them or implants them as if they were real memories. And so if you're going in and doing violent stuff in the metaverse, how does that fundamentally alter someone's perception of the world?
Starting point is 01:30:22 And what negative effects could that have for people's entire lives after that if you think that you killed somebody or you think that you were running drugs like i don't see how that can lead anywhere good for society i think there's we often talk about the negative things about the metaverse but there's positive things too you safety trainings you know without real risk of harm for a lot of a lot of issues training firefighters training police officers it's going to teaching people are gonna go in there with legalized psychedelics it's gonna be so crazy dude society is about to split into it's gonna about to fractalize into a bunch of different ways of being it's gonna be nuts dude different laws different societies different religions and relationships different languages are gonna start springing up you know they're
Starting point is 01:31:02 gonna like in north korea they'll take thousands of citizens plug them into the metaverse and just never tell them just to like see what happens oh dude i've been working on a script by the way i'll tell you about it later but but think about this for reminding me so you have in your country people who do physical labor for producing food and resources and machines and then you have intellectual and abstract labor which is like writing songs or developing code, software, things like that. You could take all of your intellectual property development people and put them in the metaverse and just seal them off. And then they can do the same. They can do the work digitally with their minds plugged into a computer.
Starting point is 01:31:39 And then everyone else can just till the fields and make food or whatever. Yeah, what will happen is their mind will be working so fast, but if their body gets disturbed, it'll slow down their thought process and they'll be like, no, we can't have that. Do not disturb his body. Keep it sealed off so his brain can work at peak capacity. Imagine, imagine right now, all of a sudden you're sitting, you know, you're sitting wherever you're sitting, you're watching the show, you feel this pulling sensation in the back of your head.
Starting point is 01:32:03 And then all of a sudden it feels like you are actually being pulled out of your body. And then there's a flash of light and you're standing in a field and you're a duck. You'd freak out, right? Yeah. You'd be like, what is this? Like, where are my hands? Why am I a duck? That's what it's going to be like for people who grow up in the metaverse
Starting point is 01:32:20 and choose to be a duck. And then one day get pulled out and they're a human. They're going to be like, I have hands. Their identity would be totally fractured and separated from their bodies. I wanted to cap off this plastic surgery conversation because I was trying to bend my face. I'd pull the bones open slowly over time, so I'll spend an hour and just hold it in place. And I think it actually slowly moves over time like clay. I can't tell if it's real or not.
Starting point is 01:32:45 Well, that's why they tell women when you're putting moisturizer on your face, you're supposed to go like this instead of like this. Yeah. Or like this. The bones are growing and moving. You can slowly over time pull the jaw outward if you want a bigger jaw and stuff like that. It just takes a lot of time. Yeah. Those ladies, they put the rings on their neck and they make their necks really long.
Starting point is 01:33:04 Yeah. That's crazy. All right. Let, they put the rings on their neck and they make their necks really long. That's crazy. Alright, let's go to the Super Chats. My friends, if you have not already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you really do like it and head over to TimCast.com. We're going to have a members only segment coming up around 11pm
Starting point is 01:33:18 or so, just around there. And we will get to your Super Chats. Everyone in chat is saying, yo, WTF? LOL? Ian's crazy. Give it a try yourself before you... Don't knock it till you try it. All right, let's read some of this. Malcolm McKee says,
Starting point is 01:33:33 previous superchat... Oh, what is this? Previous superchat. Other accounts whom have met the same criteria for such a ban remain untouched. Putin, Ayatollah, Taliban, Justin Trudeau. I don't think we got your first super chat.
Starting point is 01:33:45 I saw one disappear and I'm frustrated. Well, for those that are listening, if you super chat before the show goes live, YouTube erases it. Yeah, don't do that. Be patient. GG Player says, huh, Amber kind of looks like she could be Lydia's sister. Oh, I like that. Look at us. I love it.
Starting point is 01:34:04 That's very nice. Yeah, I'll take that. Alright. The Lukewarm Gamer says Rumble should put money into non-political culture content to bring people who aren't political to the platform. If Rumble signed a deal with Hololive, for example, it would damage YouTube more than getting any political YouTuber.
Starting point is 01:34:20 Yeah, that's the one thing I've been saying to all these guys who are doing alternative stuff is like everybody just keeps going politics. And I'm like i'm like why well and also the people who do entertainment minded stuff are not very good at it like people on the right need to be developing talented filmmakers and artists and people who can create content that's entertaining that doesn't suck and doesn't have all of these like really shoehorned political messages in it. I think gaming is where it's at. You get gamers on Rumble because, I mean, look at Roblox.
Starting point is 01:34:50 It's worth $40 billion. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, definitely. All right. Derek Brown says, if anyone can do what everyone else thinks is impossible, it's Elon Musk. He always has a plan. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:59 I like how Elon was warning us about the AI, and then he's like, Neuralink. And some people are – there's a meme where they're like, Elon Musk warns about the dangers of artificial intelligence, then literally tries to plug your brain into a computer. But people don't realize he said the same thing. I'm pretty sure Elon said the only solution to the threat of AI is to integrate with it. I'm pretty sure that was his point. Yeah, that's the idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then AI can't destroy you if you are yeah the ai you guys ever see that have you seen that new terminator movie where
Starting point is 01:35:31 the terminator is john connor whatever and he has like the weird robot powers no no i heard it was terrible well maybe um but i was thinking about it because in that movie so this time the terminator is john connor and the terminators are like we realized the only way to defeat humanity was to merge with them. And they're like, oh no. And I'm kind of like, okay, so you're still a person, but you have crazy robot superpowers. I don't, I don't understand why that's a bad thing. I mean, I guess if you don't want to have crazy robot superpowers, because he could
Starting point is 01:36:02 like, he had like nanopower, like nanorobots, and he could like, you know, change shape and do crazy stuff. Like, is that bad? I don't think so. Depends who you ask, I guess. I think you don't like it. It's true, I don't. You nailed that.
Starting point is 01:36:15 Yeah. For the same reasons I don't like the other stuff that we talked about. Yeah, that's a scary thought about what's happening with metaverse stuff. It's going to separate your mind from your body. And then when they ask you what you lost, you won't be able to remember.
Starting point is 01:36:29 Yeah. That's scary. All right. America Float says, it feels like false hope from Musk since BlackRock and Vanguard own nearly just as much each. Maybe a pump and dump, one last ride for Twitter stock,
Starting point is 01:36:41 or maybe phase one. Maybe a bunch of other billionaires and wealthy individuals will start buying shares of Twitter and pushing back. BlackRock only owns half of what Musk has. Yeah, BlackRock only owns like 4.6%. But that means BlackRock and Vanguard together have what? Together they have. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 01:37:00 Yeah, that's maybe what it is. He's going to try and get a majority stock. I don't know. It's not worth it, dude. Don't throw billions at that junk. But free the software code. All right. Jacob Andrew Hester says, Tim, driving to your neck of the woods for work from Alabama due to bad flight delays.
Starting point is 01:37:15 Any good steak or seafood restaurants you recommend? Thanks for everything y'all do. We sane people appreciate you mean sane people. If you are driving on 340 heading just past Harper's Ferry, you'll eventually come across a gas station that says live seafood. That's what it says, right? It says live seafood. I don't know. Apparently it's a gas station with seafood and everyone out here is like, it is the best
Starting point is 01:37:40 because it's like small country knows what they're doing. Seafood. Interesting. interesting well amber's a native i am really good recommendations for seafood too i guess it depends on where exactly this guy's traveling through like is he going to dc or uh he can take 15 20 minutes out of his day to go hit up the the harper's ferry virginia maryland area there's there's there's the bavarian in really good and i think it's in shepherdstown right you're familiar with them and then uh this other restaurant we've been to that's really amazing it's called dutch's daughter oh yeah i love that restaurant have you been there before many times
Starting point is 01:38:13 are you a fan it's overrated you think it's overrated i like i i thought it was fine i think it's really overpriced i mean compared to like five ten years ago their crab cakes used to be some of the best in maryland and they've really gone downhill well i years ago, their crab cakes used to be some of the best in Maryland. And they've really gone downhill. Well, I haven't had their crab cakes. But I had a steak. Did you get the filet Oscar? Yes. That's the move.
Starting point is 01:38:32 It was so good. Yeah. That is pretty good. And the crab. Imperial. Yes. Yeah. That's good stuff.
Starting point is 01:38:40 See? See? You're like, it's overrated. Well, I mean, you're paying what? Like 40, 50 bucks for that? It is overpriced yeah it was expensive i mean you could just like go to dc and go to morton's for that and get like a cowboy ribeye dc ribeye this was a filet mignon where's the best seafood in dc uh in dc you probably should go to the wharf and go to one of like the old family owned
Starting point is 01:39:01 restaurants on there there are a couple of them like fish fish market vibes but the best crab cake that i've had in recent years is at jimmy's seafood which lily and i were talking about earlier yeah and they got into a war with pita a few years ago and put up all these billboards around baltimore just like oh i remember that basically bragging about the fact that they were live steaming crabs and pita got really upset about it but they do make a really damn good crab cake like lump meat size of a softball really good stuff how do you feel about stem cell meat i'm willing i just i just think she doesn't like it i'm willing to bet the filet oscar at dutch's daughter was one of the best filet mignon steaks i've ever had really i mean the the preparation was well maybe they've improved since the last time I was there.
Starting point is 01:39:45 It's been a year. Maybe we just have different tastes. Could be. I have better taste. It could be. I don't know. We've gone to a bunch of steakhouses in our day. Alex Jones brought us out to, I think we went to, was it Capital Grill?
Starting point is 01:39:56 I didn't go. I missed out. Yeah, I think it was like me and Luke. And really good. But when I went to Dutch's Daughter and I got the filet oscar, it's like a filet mignon with like crab on it. Oh, it was just cooked perfectly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:08 And I will say, generally speaking, corporate steakhouses are not the best place to go if you want a really good steak. Yeah. Because it's so standardized across all these different restaurants that sort of inevitably there's going to be a decline in quality at some point. Do you like the Bavarian Inn in Shepherdstown? Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're really good too.
Starting point is 01:40:27 That's so much fun. It's like a Bavarian Inn complex. It's so cool. Oh, cool. Yeah. All right, let's read some more Super Chats. I think we're hungry. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:34 Lizards. Well, someone asked and I'm like, oh, man. We've been looking to find like the good food because we periodically will do like company outings where everyone goes out. Jim A's. I want to try it. What kind of Mexican food do you guys like? Oh, Mi Degollado.
Starting point is 01:40:48 Oh, this is amazing. So there's a Mexican restaurant out here. It's called Mi Degollado. And it is amazing. I love getting chicken fajitas. It's just so perfect. It's like Tex-Mex is up your alley. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:00 But Mi Degollado means like my slit throat. Like my to cut a man. It means like to cut a man's throat. Oh, that's right. I remember hearing about this. And so I remember asking the server like, hey, what does this mean? And he's like, oh, it means to cut someone's throat. And we were like, wow.
Starting point is 01:41:15 That's awesome. He was like, oh, it's the name of the town the owner's from. And then I was like, I don't know if that's better. Yeah, is it? Like you're from a town? And then I was like, well, if there was a town called like Cut Throat in New Mexico, I wouldn't think twice. I'd be like, oh, yeah, you know? Yeah, that's true. But yeah, that's what. Yeah. Like you're from a town. And then I was like, well, if there was a town called like cutthroat in New Mexico, I wouldn't think twice. I'd be like,
Starting point is 01:41:27 oh yeah. You know? Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's what I like. Yeah. There's a couple of good places in the DC area.
Starting point is 01:41:33 Um, Anita's gets really good reviews. Uh, I like to go to uncle Julio's, which has like three or four locations in the area, but despite being a chain actually has fantastic fajitas. Just don't get their caseeso. Their queso sucks. What's that famous sandwich place?
Starting point is 01:41:48 Oh, there's so many. The one that Richie went to. You remember? Oh, I'd have to find the text. I don't recall. I don't know. Was it like an Italian sub that he got or something? No, I got a roast beef. And he was like, it was like some famous D.C. sandwich place. Bub and Pops? No.
Starting point is 01:42:07 Stachowski's Market no no we'll just read we'll just read more Super Chat I'll see if I can alright Ian went to the bathroom so I'm gonna read this one
Starting point is 01:42:12 now before he gets back Lizard says you're rolling lots of 20s today Ian good job he will never hear your compliment no we'll make sure
Starting point is 01:42:20 it's on when he gets back in the room alright Noah says love the show, guys. I just want to use my first super chat to let you know that Louisiana has also introduced their own version of the parental rights and education bill. Look up Louisiana House Bill 837.
Starting point is 01:42:34 Amazing. Glad to hear it. That catches on. This is the craziest thing. Someone on Facebook posted, why are we mad at Disney now? And I wrote, the left is upset that Disney did not sign onto the protests against the parental rights and education bill. They feel that the bill discriminates against the LGBTQIA community by preventing teachers from having discussions about
Starting point is 01:42:55 these issues with kids, grades, kindergarten to third grade. The right is upset with Disney for now having signed onto the protest because they feel that the the bill is preventing teachers from having sexualized conversations with young children and i thought it was like a very milquetoast like this is the best of my understanding and they all just got mad and they were like no bigots and i'm like okay whatever man i don't know uh say memotype says did you all see stepven crowder own steven monicelli in his latest change my mind i did i thoroughly enjoyed it that's the guy who canceled me yeah yeah you then you will he did get owned it was awesome oh you did see it oh i found it
Starting point is 01:43:36 very enjoyable i was i was watching like this awesome all right let's grab some uh what we got charles bloomer says that steven guy is the same guy that tried to outsmart crowder on the last change my mind episode and and what was he thinking it's just so crazy to me that you're like i didn't do any research but i'm gonna sit down with a guy who built a whole show about this one topic that's the thing is like the media people who write for these mainstream outlets don't have to know anything because they never are held accountable when they get things wrong and a lot of them are just like super narcissistic arrogant people who become journalists not because they care about information or truth or whatever because either they want to promote a certain cause or they want to promote
Starting point is 01:44:18 themselves i mean that's just kind of how it is now yep all right that's what we got here john freust says if the earth is orbiting the sun at 93 million miles away how is the north star always north p.s i am not a flat earther and the and the google answer is laughable off the top of my head i would assume it's because the north star is so far away that it's like you know parallax scrolling you ever see that in video games you know parallax scrolling is yeah parallax is when the farther away it is, the slower it looks like it's moving in the sky. Yeah, vanishing point perspective.
Starting point is 01:44:50 So in a video game where you're playing like a 2D side scroller, there'll be multiple layers to the background that move at different paces. The further away it is, the slower it goes because that's kind of how it would, it tries to imitate real life. Well, that's kind of why the North Star
Starting point is 01:45:04 is always pointing north because it's so ridiculously far away that the amount of movement we experience in our days and lifetime doesn't change it also electric universe check out the electric universe theory it's pretty cool zach uh helkey says i would take a bullet to the spleen for amber athie's right to make a joke We all need to subscribe to the Spectator to make sure she can keep making them. Wow. That's really nice. Thank you. Should I give them my discount code or is that like a marathon?
Starting point is 01:45:32 Do you have one? I do. Oh, yeah. Of course. Oh, perfect. Yeah. If you use AMBER, all caps, you get 10% off a Spectator subscription. So is this a campaign based off of them firing you or you've always had it?
Starting point is 01:45:42 No, we've always had that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm opportunistic, but not that opportunistic. Oh, yeah. based off of them firing you or you've always had it we've always had oh okay yeah okay i'm not i'm opportunistic but not that opportunistic oh yeah i mean maybe we should figure something like that out with you know with timcast.com all right a lot of people are commenting that steve guy was on crowder it wouldn't be it wouldn't surprise me to believe he was the cause of this yep yep
Starting point is 01:45:57 all right mike sullivan says tim great guest hire her uh she already works for the spectator just give out her discount code so she's a great co-host though thank you though that's nice John Ellis's Amber I'm sure James O'Keefe would have a much easier time digging if you sat down and talked with him it doesn't have to be public the only problem now is like could you imagine if a silhouette of Amber just appeared on Project Veritas that I wonder who that is yeah gosh can't imagine uh i mean maybe off the record i i just i'm not i can't say anything now because i don't want to get sued but we'll see all right brian duchesne says tim i was a big fan of your show when i first found it thank you very much that's all he said moving on he says but after watching it for a few months ian and others have proven this show is full of
Starting point is 01:46:44 amateurs. By the way, that includes you. Well, who are these others you're talking about? Many people are saying. I don't know what amateurs mean. But if you mean that, like, we started with a table with vinyl glued to big foam boards. And then a year later, we stuck a bunch of office desks to each other and bolted them
Starting point is 01:47:12 together with black paneling on the wall. And now we're to the point where we're in an actual studio with cameras on the wall, but we're still just using like, what are we using? Stream Deck instead of TriCasters? I mean, yeah. If you go to a studio like Crowder's, they have TriCasters? Yeah, OBS. I mean, yeah. If you go to a studio like Crowder's, they have TriCasters.
Starting point is 01:47:28 They have these big things, these crazy rigs, and we just have cameras mounted to the walls. It's better, though. It's getting there. We're building a new studio, so definitely getting better. We're going up in a little. But I got to be honest. If we're amateurs, it's fine. I guess the company's working and growing. So you got to start somewhere.
Starting point is 01:47:46 If you look at the professional media industry, they talk off of like prompters and stuff. That's not the aim with this. This is like a casual chill show. I don't know. It's Tim's show. It's not my show, but it's our show. It's better. It's the show.
Starting point is 01:47:58 It's better. Look, I've done a lot of cable news and trying to distill your talking point into a 30-second soundbite sucks. Yeah. It really does. and trying to distill your talking point into a 30 second soundbite sucks. Yeah. It really does. With no opportunity to clarify because they'll be like, we are running out of time and they play the music or whatever. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:13 So here it's like, oh, did you mean this? Oh, yeah. What I meant to say was you can actually, you know, flesh out your ideas. All right. Howard says the number one rule in Fight Club, Fight Club number one rule in parallel communities. No fight. Laugh at them. Drive them drive them crazy refers to mass formation psychosis they hate it when you laugh love and laugh never engage just laugh live your parallel life and laugh all right howard i appreciate it that was
Starting point is 01:48:37 hard to understand but i think what he's saying is ignore the haters and just laugh and keep on going and they'll get really angry about it. I respect it. Yeah, that's right. Integrity Media says, Tim, I wonder if people reported Twitter with each state's elections division for not reporting the like kind contributions to Dems they favor when banning the GOP opponent failing to report as an elections crime. And the New York Post. Yep. Yeah. People should pursue it however they can pursue it i suppose i don't know or we just just keep building the parallel systems daily wire they're doing absolutely incredible with
Starting point is 01:49:13 their culture and dan bongino has invested a lot in these parallel systems dave rubin as well with locals we've had our word we've had our criticisms of locals but it's still it's a net positive across the board something compete with patreon i like it it's rumble, it's a net positive across the board. Something to compete with Patreon. I like it. It's Rumble, and it's all about servers and decentralized servers. Locals should be off-stripe and should be on Parallel Economy. Yeah, agreed. Done. 100%.
Starting point is 01:49:35 Parallel Economy. You guys should check it out. It's new, but it's good stuff. Hopefully it ends up working out. Alright. Chuck Hawk says, Keep up the good work, Tim and crew. Support independent country music. Download No Vaccinations and other Outlaw tracks
Starting point is 01:49:52 free on Bandcamp tonight. I like vaccination. It's something different. It means totally... Howard says, Antifa money comes through the Ukraine laundry service along with child trafficking drugs, biol bio labs. So elites ATM is messed up right now. And there are let's let's just use the word euphemism child abusers. The U.S. oligarchs,
Starting point is 01:50:14 Clinton, Obama, Mitt Romney, Biden, Powell and Cam, so many others and CIA Bush Antifa money is not coming. The elites are worried. Howard, I completely disagree. I don't think they need Ukraine for that that and there's uh i think the issue is more epstein if you're if you're talking about corruption from powerful elites and money funneling and stuff epstein is the first place i'd look epstein island whatever it is they were doing and the panama papers ukraine is i think ukraine's actually a bit more simple the u.s was trying to gain influence to control the flow of energy into Europe, which screws with Russia because they – that's like one of their principal exports. So Joe Biden, knowing this is the official position of the United States, sends in his son so that the son can wet the whistle of the big guy for 10 percent, share bank accounts.
Starting point is 01:50:59 It's actually a bit more simple, and all of that's actually corroborated. Check out Kolomoisky if you want to look at the Ukrainian ties to this stuff too, the corruption stuff. But I'd love to know anything about Epstein Island. Oh, yeah. And how nice that the judge just denied a retrial for Ghislaine Maxwell. And she's never had to name the conspirators, the people who actually paid for the services that they were providing. It's like arresting a drug dealer because the cops saw him hold a bag of drugs and and raise it up and then like hand it to nobody that falls on the ground and they're like get him and they're like you were dealing drugs to no one but still clearly there has to be another
Starting point is 01:51:34 party involved yeah like at the very least a cop right yeah you know like he was selling drugs to a cop and then you're like oh he was giving it to an undercover officer. No, Maxwell, it's just like you were trafficking kids to no one. How do you prove she did it without confirming that she did it? It's because they're protecting whoever she did it with. Yep. Man, I, oh man. All right. Kay Comco says we need a Churchill speech for a call to action to state, re, to states, re term limits limits fire and term limit every admin branch person
Starting point is 01:52:06 put an end once and for all to putin etc make a graceful exit in four years term limits are a tough question tough question because um some people have just said you can vote for you want to vote for it doesn't matter how long they're in there and if you have term limits what ends up happening is oligarchs will just rotate out politicians and it's actually a fairly easier firm to do so. He was pointing out term limits for the
Starting point is 01:52:30 administrative state as well. It sounded like... Oh, yeah, the staffers. You shouldn't be allowed to be a staffer for more than a certain amount of years. All right.
Starting point is 01:52:38 Dennis McGriff says, Ian, by your logic, does that make every president a cult leader? Yeah, I guess so. Well, all right then. Mike Sullivan says, Lydiaydia it's a nine millimeter carbine oh oh yeah pine tree squad says tim great example of adjacent states with permitless constitutional carry is m e and h n v t can drive from maine all the way through vermont without being required to show your papers
Starting point is 01:53:02 isn't that funny to make you show your papers. Yeah, man. I knew I felt this way before a guy was driving from California to New York and got pulled over in Illinois and they were like, you're going to jail for four years because he had guns. Now he's an Illinois resident. Congratulations. All right. Now back to that story about the dad in Texas.
Starting point is 01:53:18 We got some super chats. Shotgun Rebel says dad had no authority to enforce the order. Has to let police and law handle it. Best interest of the child that way uh and that is what texas does in custody issues i agree with that yeah the dad should have immediately just backed off yeah it's tough man i understand why he was mad though but he would have won and he would have won substantially if he backed off imagine the cops showing up and he's like they're withholding my kid and the guy came out with a gun the cops would be like whoa then when he goes to court your honor they wouldn't give the
Starting point is 01:53:47 child to me as i was following your instructions and then the guy comes out on his porch with a gun the judge would be like that's not safe for these kids yeah instead he ends up losing his life it's tough man yeah taylor cook says you missed it he tried to take the gun on the porch the potential warning shot was the only real red flag here i'm not sure the first shot wasn't an nd into the ground the father was trespassing it's tough yep josh branson says it's tough but the father should have left called the police and called it a kidnapping so much as i hate it to um the bf defended himself if the kid was in like plain sight and was in danger, that's another story. Then the guy has to fight for the life of the child.
Starting point is 01:54:27 But if he's not in plain danger, yeah, you're right. He also didn't even know for sure if the kid was there, I believe, because didn't the mom say, we're not telling you where he is? Voro says, Tim, you missed the part where he says, you better shoot or I'm going to take that gun and F and murder you or something like that. Granted, he never tried to actually take the gun but still there was a verbal threat yeah yep i think that's important to point out absolutely man some other people are pushing back though let's see ryan says texas custody law says if if the primary conservator doesn't release a child as per the custody agreement the police will not intervene as it's a civil matter, not criminal. You must file a complaint.
Starting point is 01:55:08 Oh, now it gets even more crazy because what's a dad supposed to do then? Just let her kidnap the kid? Yikes. Seriously, JK says, JK says, Tim, the guy was already outside, then went back into the house and came back out. He was already part of the situation. Oh, wow. This is very complicated. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 01:55:27 YouTuber says, there are two videos of the Texas incident, one from the perspective of a woman in the house and another from the woman in the car. Watch both and you'll see it was not self-defense. It was murder. If the dude walked inside and grabbed a gun and walked out,
Starting point is 01:55:40 that's a different question. Because then he would know the context of the situation right and he and and he knew that the dad wasn't threatening them with violence so for him to go and grab a gun when the dad was just like i'll see you in court and at that point i would actually argue the boyfriend should have called the police he should have went in the house called the cops and said he's getting belligerent we just want someone to come and deal with it instead he went out with a gun that's tough yeah but then you're on someone else's property and just the act of getting a gun isn't an escalation necessarily i mean we learned this in the written house self-defense
Starting point is 01:56:14 case him being out there with a firearm was not a provocation for people to attack him and try to take his weapon yeah all right channel zero says hey tim you guys still coming up to pork fest in june in new hampshire my friend and i run a conspiracy theory debating podcast channel zero rumble spotify emailed pitches would love to join irl when here we are planning it however we tried in january to get modifications to the mobile studio for independent power so solar panels batteries that can run everything and that completely fell through and our money is being jammed up so we need to find someone who can do rv modification and it's been really annoying we're going to nashville in a week
Starting point is 01:56:56 yeah that's easy because the daily wire is going to run cables to our mobile studio and we'll be able to you know do the show from our new mobile studio. It's a better setup with, uh, with no issues. And then hopefully by the time we get to June, we'll have sorted out the batteries and everything so that we can run the show. But it'll, it's, it's, it's tough. Maybe we'll figure it out. We're also, we're also going to need satellite. So I don't know. Porepress is tough because, you know, internet infrastructure. Luke was mentioning if we got like, um, Starlink or something, but I'm not entirely confident. I'm not entirely confident.
Starting point is 01:57:27 Jacob Perez, in reference to this plastic surgery segment, says, gorgeous Squidward meme. Yep. Yeah. Do you guys ever watch Teen Titans Go at all? No. I have. Have you seen the one where Robin takes off his mask? No.
Starting point is 01:57:43 So it's like so teen titans i i mean i've i've not i i watched it uh anyway i used to watch the original teen titans two nights ago it's just like a kid's show but i did see the one episode i've seen a handful of them where robin always wears a mask and he never takes it off so the other teen titans are like take off the mask show us what you look like and he's like no i can't and then finally like they keep trying to take it off whenever they take it off there you look like. And he's like, no, I can't. And then finally, they keep trying to take it off. Whenever they take it off, there's another mask underneath. Finally, he agrees to take it off.
Starting point is 01:58:12 And he has this ridiculous looking face like the Squidward meme. And then they're all shocked because they think he's insanely beautiful or something. I don't know. It's funny. All right. Angie says, Rakeda Law said that the police would not have helped the man that was shot on the porch they would have told him to take it up with the courts which is what he said he was gonna do sad story man the bipolar god of science fiction says is it violently offensive that i've been
Starting point is 01:58:35 tripping balls for the last five hours laughing at madonna's video maybe maybe people will try to cancel me but those same people are probably already trolling her in the comments over there should serve as a cautionary tale it's pretty true is it violently offensive not to me i don't care yeah it's not possible for you to be offensive it's only really possible for me to be offended by what you do it's up to the receiver to decide if if they're offended or not you can try and offend but you can't decide if it's offensive or not ryan brown says i am starting to think paypal is deliberately attacking tim timcast.com with their more frequent issues keeping subscribers from accessing member content i won't put the blame on paypal there is an issue that affected us based on
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Starting point is 01:59:54 But let's just say we're upgrading to a new provider. And I don't blame PayPal for it, but we do want to diversify who we use for memberships. If you're having issues, send an email to members at timcast.com and we'll get you sorted to the best of our abilities. I just want to be honest with everybody. I really do apologize because we have so many members and we're trying to grow and we need to add more people. So it gets tough to answer all the emails we get from everybody just for everything. All right. What is that? Dorktanian. Parental kidnapping is a felony in Texas. Carruth was assisting in the crime and would fall under Texas felony murder rule if charged. Wow.
Starting point is 02:00:30 That's crazy. All right. Here we go. Someone's got a science answer for us. Michael Conaway says the North Star, Polaris, is almost directly above the Earth's axis. It also states the North Celestial Pole is restless and over 26,000 years will describe a 47-degree arc through the sky. Will descend? Will describe?
Starting point is 02:00:50 Interesting. Interesting. Part-time Doge says Stu Peters just swatted. I don't know who Stu Peters is. I don't know who that is. I'm curious now. R.L. Corley says, hey, hi, Tim. Are you going to go see Sonic the Hedgehog 2?
Starting point is 02:01:03 You betcha. I went and saw Morbius. Boy, was that bad. What that bad what's morbius morbius is a character from spider-man who is like he's a he's dr michael morbius and he's dying so he does an experimental thing with bats and then becomes a vampire i am on the jim carrey train right now after or didn't is jim carrey and sonic yeah yeah oh yeah morbius was jared leto no no i've just moved on from morbius after that. I'm into Sonic 2 now. Jim Carrey, man, when I saw him respond to the Will Smith slap on stage or the Will Smith
Starting point is 02:01:31 attack, that was the best. The best thing he's done in years. Jim Carrey, man. Pretty tedious. His art sucks. Yeah, a little bit. He had like a, something changed, like a, what would you call it? Like a spiritual awakening or like a midlife crisis or something
Starting point is 02:01:45 in 2010. This is important. Stop being funny after that. Yeah. But it's way more interesting. Many such cases. Yeah. Alex Jones was right.
Starting point is 02:01:52 420 says, Tim, have you seen Amazon is creating a fallout TV show? Please no. Damn. It's going to be so broken and weird. I hope they use ammo as currency and not bottle caps. They already kind of screwed up Witcher, so let's not. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:07 I heard Wheel of Time was woke. People were mad. I don't know, though. I don't know anything about Wheel of Time. The Assassin's Creed movie was really bad, too. And the Uncharted movie looks terrible. Yeah. Morbius was bad.
Starting point is 02:02:20 Very rarely are video games turned into other forms of multimedia content. Yeah, because you can't play them you gotta watch that's like you know you do it backwards guys and these campaigns take like what 10 to 30 hours and then you try to condense it into a two-hour movie what i what i don't understand about morbius or i'm sorry i mean sony movies when they try to do marvel characters is why they don't just look at what a marvel movie is and then just copy them. Like these movies, they all feel very much like it's
Starting point is 02:02:48 2003 and they're just really bad. Remember Daredevil with Ben Affleck? I didn't see it. Me neither. I saw Spider-Man 1 with Tobey Maguire and then I saw Iron Man 1 and I was like I'm not watching anymore. It's trash. It's just trash. Alright, Ian. If you haven't already,
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