Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #504 - Jan 6th Defendant NOT GUILTY, Judge AGREES Cops Let Them In w/Andrew Klavan

Episode Date: April 8, 2022

Tim, Ian, Seamus of FreedomToons, and Lydia join best-selling author of 'The Truth & Beauty' and Daily Wire commentator Andrew Klavan to discuss the January 6th protester acquitted of trespassing on Cappitol grounds, the Young Turks' wrong take on the case, BLM's apparent money laundering in the purchase of an expensive home, the PA GOP's massive wins in voter registration as voters flee the sinking Democrat party, and how many Millennial women would rather stay home than work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the third trial pertaining to the January 6th insurrection, as CNN likes to call it, the judge agreed with the defendant. The police let them in the building, and therefore there's no trespassing, and nothing else makes sense after that. Oh, I just like to gloat on this one for a minute because the Young Turks told me, or they told everyone, I made the dumbest argument by saying, if people are fanned in by police with no warning to leave, you can't convict them for trespass. And here we are. Now, there was another trial where a man was convicted of trespassing, but this is because

the same judge was like, you've, you climbed over some barrier and could clearly see it was closed off. So you knew what you were doing. But as for those who were waved in by the cops and had the doors open, we may be seeing a wave of acquittals for people who actually decide to go on trial. In this instance, a bench trial. So we'll definitely talk about that. We have a major scandal involving Black Lives Matter. It's being reported, and this is crazy. This is scandalous. Someone associated with BLM bought a mansion for $3.1 million and then six days later sold it to BLM for $5.8 million. Where'd that $2.7 million go? And why, why did it happen this way?

It seems some people believe that they were trying to funnel money from the nonprofit into private hands. So we'll go through that story. Plus we're going to talk about, man, Democrats are in for an apocalyptic November. In Pennsylvania, Republicans are converting Democrats four times faster than the inverse. People quitting the Republican Party are not doing it relative to the other way around. Long story short, Democrats are quitting. So it's going to get crazy. We got some polls to show you. Joining us today to talk about all of this is the one and only Andrew Klavan. How are you doing?

Do you want to introduce yourself? Must I? Yes, I guess I will. I'm Andrew Klavan. I'm the host of The Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire. I'm the author of The Truth in Beauty, which was my latest book, and the author of a million other books, most of them crime novels. And here I am.

Awesome. Well, thank you for hanging out, good sir. This should be fun. It's a pleasure to be here, actually. Absolutely. Appreciate, thank you for hanging out, good sir. This should be fun. It's a pleasure to be here, actually. Absolutely. Appreciate it. We got Seamus. I'm Seamus Coghlan.

I've never written nor even read anything as long as a crime novel. I'm a cartoonist. I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. Every week we upload a new cartoon, and we do it on Thursdays. So if you guys want to go and check out the video we uploaded today, I think you'll very much enjoy it. It's about disney and their proclivity for whatever reason for like having groomers working for the organization go check

it out yeah you gotta see it to believe it yeah it's also very much like how uh with katanji brown jackson they were like the first black supreme court justice yes and then it's like i mean aside from the fact fact that clarence thomas is currently there thurgood marshall i think like a long time ago it's constantly first it. It's the first time. And people have joked about this before, that there have been about 13 instances of Disney introducing the first gay character in one of their films. And I sort of took that

and connected it to what's going on, added a little bit of a twist to it. I think you guys will enjoy it. Maybe you should have a little sympathy, because they may be caught in a time loop. Oh, yeah. And they're desperately trying to break out. That's how they're signaling to you. Maybe Joe Biden is doing their PR. He's like, first time, man. First time.

He's a gay guy in a movie, man. I think first time. I can't let it pass that you also do the best Ben Shapiro imitations. Oh, that's honestly, I'm very flattered. Thank you very much.

I do appreciate that. This is coming from somebody. Okay, this is coming from somebody who actually works with Ben Shapiro and knows him on a personal level. All right, folks. I was good. You were able to maintain

that you weren't Ben Shapiro, but you were Ben Shapiro. I was like a little bit Ben Shapiro. Okay. You should hear Ben Shapiro's impression of me, though. That was amazing. You were able to maintain that you weren't Ben Shapiro, but you were Ben Shapiro. I was like a little bit Ben Shapiro, okay? You should hear Ben Shapiro's impression of me, though. That was amazing. I'm Ian Crossland, guys. Looking forward to talking maybe about God and the truth. I like that.

The idea of objective truth. I asked you before the show if you thought there was, and you said yes. That's a conversation we often have because I think that everything is subjective. Every human experience is subjective through that human, but we'll get into it. Maybe we can get into it later. You just happen to be completely incorrect. Yeah, yeah.

I love you. And there is no TimCast IRL without me. I have to be here in the corner and I am indeed pushing buttons tonight. So let's get started. And don't forget, head over to TimCast.com to help support our journalists who write many of the stories that we actually use for this show. As a member, you'll get access to exclusive episodes of the TimCast IRL podcast. We will have one up for you tonight at 11 p.m. again at TimCast.com.

So don't forget, smash that like button right now. Subscribe to this YouTube channel. Share the show with your friends. Take that link, post it wherever you can because we have no marketing budget for this show. We've never marketed this show. It's just organic. You guys have been sharing it so much for some reason, people keep watching and we really do appreciate it. But let's talk about this first story we got from timcast.com. New Mexico man acquitted of charges related to January 6th. The federal defense contractor is the first person to be found not guilty of all charges filed against

him in connection to the Capitol security breach. Matthew Martin, a federal defense contractor, was acquitted on April 6th following a two-day bench trial. Martin had been charged with entering and remaining in a restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building. U.S. District Judge Trevor N. McFadden said that the first charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building was a close call, but that there was a reasonable doubt whether Martin knew he was entering a restricted building. McFadden also said the government failed to show evidence of Martin crossing the police

line, which mobs of protesters had broken before he had arrived at the Capitol. During his April 5th testimony, Martin said he went with the flow. So here we are. This is fascinating. For the people who tore down the barricades, tore the signs down, attacked cops, well, of course, they're going to get convicted. There's video evidence of them attacking people. But we've long maintained that there is reasonable doubt for those, the MAGA memos, they call them, who fumbled and bumbled their way into the building as police fanned them in. So can I say I was right? I was right? Yeah, no, you're absolutely correct. I was right. Andrew Klavan agrees. Because I said this back in January. Andrew Klavan, seal of

approval. You know, it's very rare that federal cases go to trial because people are so terrified by the federal government because the federal government doesn't mess around. When they put you away for 15 years, you stay away for 15 years. There's no time off for good behavior. So when they come to you and they say, well, we'll give you four years instead, people confess and they plead guilty. But you just don't have to do it, especially if there was, as in this case, there was video of the guy being let in. That's right. And this is the video that we referenced back in january where you see the door open and then there's there's actual audio where you can hear a cop say i don't agree with

it but i but i respect it or something like that that's a cop yeah yeah you got cops taking selfies with protesters so this is the third jury this is the third trial there's been one jury trial and two bench trials the bench trial with uh judge um mcfadden i believe his name is mcfadden the guy was acquitted on the the charges of disorderly or whatever he was like just entering isn't disorderly so acquitted but you did you know climb up an outer wall and you knew you weren't supposed to be in there so you're getting trespassed right but what's that really going to be? The entire January 6th narrative is in the gutter at this point. Well, what you have, you have that disconnect between the Democrats' narrative and what happened.

What happened was bad. I don't think you should charge into the Capitol. I don't think you should make our Congress people afraid except of being unelected. But they've turned it into the Reichstag fire. They've turned it into the biggest emergency that ever hit the country. And now every Republican is supposed to feel like a criminal. And that's ridiculous. Let me pull up the CNN headline real quick. This is how CNN frames it. Man who said January 6th was magical acquitted in U.S. Capitol riot case. You see, this is why people don't understand what's happening in the world.

Because when you see that headline and you're a CNN reader or viewer, you assume this guy is a rioter who was violent. They called it a riot case. He said it was magical, but they don't give you the context in the headline. Right, of course. Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous. You mentioned earlier the fact that the federal government tends to convict. I think their prosecution rate is something above 95% because like you said, people are usually willing to take plea deals. And it's not as if they're sitting there messing around looking for

reasons to let somebody off. They weren't able to convict this guy because there was reasonable doubt whether he intentionally trespassed. And there have been at this point, dozens, if not hundreds of people who were there who have repeated this narrative that they were waved in by the police. They did not know they weren't supposed to be there. Obviously, people who broke in, who legitimately trespassed, who broke down the barriers like you mentioned, those are criminals. But there are many people who thought that they were allowed to be there based on the conduct of the police. And so for the Young Turks to come smear you because you smeared the good name, but smirched

the good name of Sir Timothy Kast over his prediction, which turned out to be correct, is frankly hilarious. They own themselves. You know, what gets me really is that the process is the punishment in this situation. Did this guy sit in solitary for a year like a lot of these other people? So he's like in a state of mind where he's like, I'm going to take it to court because I got nothing left to lose at this point if they're going to leave me in jail for a year without due process.

I'm not trying to rain on this because this is great news. This is really good news. And it's definitely an indication that a lot more acquittals are coming. Well, here's what I'm curious about. So if we see more acquittals, I wonder which direction that is going to build political momentum. Because on the one hand, it could result in people saying that the entire narrative was nonsensical and revolting against Democrats as a result. Or maybe it could embolden Democrats to say, these people are getting away with an insurrection, even though that's complete nonsense. And the judge was appointed by Donald Trump.

Yeah, there is that. But I still think, I think that people have got this exactly right. They know it was bad, that you shouldn't have done it, but they also know that Democrats have just played and played and played this card until it's absolutely maxed out. Well, I'm sick of it. I think when November comes along, we have a very good likelihood, a very strong likelihood that Republicans are going to get in.

The question is, are Republicans going to do anything? And I'm not entirely convinced. The January 6th committee will be gone, and then the Republican Party will twiddle its thumbs and fall asleep. Republicans get kicked out of office for not doing what they say they'll do. And Democrats get kicked out for doing what they say they'll do. I mean, because Republicans, if they would actually follow, as Trump did, in fact, if they would actually deliver on their conservative promises, everything gets better.

You know, what are some of the promises that you like that you thought should have got followed through on? By whom? Just conservatives in general that you've noticed. Well, I think, for instance, immigration reform. You know, maybe we could stop people from pouring in over the border forever. by whom? Just conservatives in general that you've noticed. Well, I think, for instance, immigration reform. Maybe we could stop people from pouring in over the border forever. I think every country on earth has a border. Why don't we?

That's always a good one. I think cutting back on some of the entitlement that have driven us so far into debt that we're essentially a debtor nation with very little chance of climbing our way out. I think that, you know, the kinds of things that are happening in Disneyland, the magical kingdom, which has become even more magical if you happen to be slightly odd. You know, I think those are the kinds of things that a president should address. One of the things I thought was great about Trump was that he fought the culture wars. And I think that that's why he got elected. And that's why he

was where he was. Can confirm I was, I went to a bunch of the Trump rallies and the young men that I met said political correctness was a huge reason why they were voting for Trump. They felt that Trump's potty mouth was a pullback that would pull everything back to normalcy in terms of our ability to speak. No question. I mean, it's just no question. For 50 years, 60 years, they've been telling people in this country their country stinks. Their religion is untrue. They're racist. They're sexist.

You know, everything about them is terrible and their history is terrible. All the pride that America had for a country that, after all, did defeat both Soviet communism and Nazism and was the only republic in the world when it started was, you know, it actually turned being a republic into the default position. All of that pride that we had was just absolutely stomped on for 50, 60 years. And then they wondered, why did they elect Donald Trump? Well, they elected Donald Trump because he told these people where to go. So you think it was the military-industrial complex, the liberal economic order, the formation in 1946 that just annihilated? That's what I think it is anyway. What do you mean?

Well, in 1946, after World War II, they decided, we don't want world war again. We're going to set up this liberal economic order and put American military, because apparently there were British military bases, a lot of them, and then the Americans took them, set up all these military bases. We're like, we're the world police.

But it seems like they're using the Federal Reserve to overprint military, military, more bombs, more blow up, waste money, and they destroyed our economy and our will to live. It's not the military that destroys our economy. It is the entitlements that cannot be stopped. You know, you can't vote the entitlements out without destroying them. And once the government gives you something, nobody ever gives it back.

So I view this as putting a Band-Aid on a Band-Aid on a Band-Aid. So we get a wound in this country of some sort, like a housing crisis. And then we're like, quick, what do we do to heal this wound? We put a Band-Aid on it, mass spending or welfare programs. And it may be a simple solution to everybody like, okay, we'll just, you know, we've got an economic crisis. Let's give a stimulus to everybody to keep them afloat for now, slapping a Band-Aid on the wound. Then a few weeks later when the wound starts festering, they say, you better slap another Band-Aid over that. So instead of cleaning it off, you know, taking the taking the bandage off, cleaning the wound, putting a

new bandage on, we've just stacked piles and piles of bandages on bandages. I'm a little bit, I see it in a little bit more of a sinister light. Nobody ever gives anybody anything, right? There's no such thing as a free lunch. The word free is actually not English. It doesn't actually refer to anything that exists except maybe the moon and the stars. The best things in life are free but but nothing is free so when somebody gives you something you have to ask what's the price when somebody gives you you know a free lunch you ask what what are they asking for every time they give you something it costs you your

freedom oh sure sure sure but come on that's not true in every case i mean facebook's free there we go i think and like you guys were saying, Trump's potty mouth. I think if the technocratic spy state wasn't in effect, the potty mouth may have actually brought people back to a state of sanity or at least a state where they could – I have mixed feelings on the potty mouth. What were you going to say, Seamus? Well, you mentioned that when something's free, someone's actually covertly taking something from you. Timcast.com is not free. So I'm letting you guys know. It's a plug for things that aren't free.

Take your money. We'll just take your money. Look, not free. So I'm letting you guys know. Actively giving. Take your money. Not Patreon.com slash FreedomTools. I do like how the idea of Facebook being free was so absurd. Everyone laughed at the idea because Facebook is so awful. Oh, that's not why. Did you see that Mark Zuckerberg said his employees endearingly call him the Eye of Sauron?

No. He thinks that's endearing. call him the Eye of Sauron? No. Oh, we're buds. He thinks that's endearing. It kind of worries me a little bit, actually. It's amazing. Is he really? There's no way he believes that. That lack of self-awareness.

I think he's spying on everybody that works for him, but he thinks it's fine. Yeah, because he thinks he's a nice guy. He would never misuse it. Oh, it's terrifying. All right. Did you ever see Terminator 2. He would never misuse it. Oh, it's terrifying. Did you ever see Terminator 2? You know, Miles Dyson, the guy was like, well, if I'd known I was going to build the Terminator, I'll stop right now. I've got to give this shout-out

and talk about our good friends over at the Young Turks because we have this video they posted back on February 8th and it says, Tim Pool makes the dumbest January 6th argument yet. Oh, this is just... it feels so good to, there's so much to bring up in terms of cultural politics and politics here that this exemplifies. I'm grateful to be a part of the story. For those that aren't familiar, just to go back to our previous segment, in January, I had made the point that at the Capitol, many people were let in the building by the police.

That there were no barricades. They'd been torn down and people walked up, cops were fanning them in, doors were being opened for them. How could you charge someone with trespass if they were welcomed into a building? Certainly that makes no sense, right? And so taking that out of context, some Twitter guy takes a clip of it, the Young Turks doing no research, run the clip of it while smack talking me saying I'm wrong and saying really dumb poor legal arguments like if there's broken glass on the ground it's trespassing i think i think jake may have said that where they're like i'm just gonna walk over this broken glass and that means i'm allowed in and it's like it doesn't mean you're not allowed in broken glass is not a

no trespassing sign like imagine going to a mcdonald's there's a broken window it's like i guess i can't come into mcdonald's Someone broke the window. No, that's not how it works. So they run this segment. And I am proud to say now that we have been absolutely vindicated, proven right. Judge issues the first outright acquittal of a defendant charged over January 6th, right? We did just mention this in a previous segment, but here's the best part. I tweeted how it started, how it's going with that clip from the Young Turks with the new article that comes out showing this guy's been acquitted. And I said, hey, Jen, Anna, I was right. And their response is Anna responded on Twitter as if the news didn't

come out. She just repeated the exact same false premise on my argument while ignoring the fact that even her false premise. So, so I said, the writers are going to go to jail. The violent people go to jail. She's claiming that I'm saying the writers themselves will be acquitted because there's no signs, which is a gross exaggeration of my point, but the guy was acquitted. This is what they do. So I think it's a really great example of what the culture war is. I make an observation based on a legal theory. We'll see what happens. I'm proven right. The Young Turks double down, ignore the facts, and just keep lying. Well, you know, it raises the philosophical question, if you've been insulted by the Young Turks, have you in fact been insulted?

But, you know, this is actually, the Young Turks are just the small version of this. This is happening everywhere. The other day, Anne Applebaum of the Washington Post, once a fine journalist, she used to be an actually good writer and journalist. She was approached by a freshman from the University of Chicago who said to her, well, how do you feel now about the fact that the Joe Biden laptop has turned out to be true? After it was kicked off Twitter, it was suppressed by the news. And she said, oh, that's a boring story. I don't care about that. So I thought, well, here's a story

that really does implicate the president of the United States in influence peddling. And she's bored. She's bored by that. She's bored. It's not interesting. They shared bank accounts.

Yeah. We've got more data from the laptop reportedly coming out soon. When she says it was a boring story, she's lying. But I know... Bingo. It's boring because it requires glucose to change your mind.

Cognitive dissonance requires a lot of energy to override. I don't know if you know this, but even though we know now that the information on the laptop is true and legitimate, it wasn't true back then. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you were misinformed about this, but it wasn't true

at the time. Think about the historical record, right? So if you pull up stories from October 2020, you will learn about Russian disinformation manipulating the United States. The story today now is that the laptop is true. true there were opinion pieces commentary analysis subsequent investigations and this is the track record we get from these establishment crony shill press be it young turks or otherwise the russiagate stories they won awards for those things all based on lies and now we know it's all yeah walter geranti geranti won a poll to cover up the hollow tomorrow so here's here's here's here's the here's what I want you to imagine this. You look at a history book and they have a timeline of the Donald Trump years.

And it says in 2016, Donald Trump colluded with Russia to do this. In 2017, Donald Trump was investigated for colluding with Russia. And then under the premise that all of those stories are true, which make up the text of this history book, you then get to the year 2019, 2020. And it's like, well, we now know that all of the stuff was fake. So how do we go and rewrite the historical record that they fabricated? You know what I mean? Well, you know, but just think about the old-fashioned idea of a reporter.

Think about the guy with the hat, the snapping hat, and the press card. I was a reporter. I was a small-town newspaper man, and you would hang around places just to see if anything suspicious was happening. So if the councilman walked into the sheriff's office, you immediately thought, what's going on there? What is happening here? So here they have a laptop that connects the president to his dishonest, you know, influence-peddling son. And it's like, I'm bored.

You know, what else is on TV? Is Netflix on? Because, you know, I don't want to. I'd like to imagine there was a time where the laptop story would come out and every major news organization would be like, guys, guys, guys, get on this. We've got evidence of direct corruption involving a president. Instead, they were like, oh, no. How do we lie to protect him?

Yeah. Well, in a weird way, Hunter's off limits. So people were absolutely vicious towards Trump's children. And what they often said is Trump's children are only successful because they had a rich dad. Well, look at Hunter Biden. He had a rich dad and he's very unsuccessful. And I'm not saying the man never dealt with struggle or hardship, but why is it that Trump's kids get their heat held to the fire on everything and Biden's kid is a crackhead and you're not even allowed to discuss it? You look at Don Jr. and he's like a prominent personality

and well-adjusted figure and successful businessman. And then he's the bad one. He's the problem. Hunter Biden had to get his teeth replaced because of his crack addiction. Parmesan cheese addiction. No, he was actually,

he was scooping up Parmesan cheese from the carpet. He said that. I feel bad for the guy over there. Oh, yeah. He's had a terrible life. Yeah. But my point is more so how the media treats them.

That's right. They're like, Don Jr. needs to go to prison. And I'm like, Don Jr. didn't do anything. Hunter Biden did things we can see. And they're like, oh, shut up. I know. I'm going to do the most boring thing in the world and point out a double standard here between the left and the right.

But just imagine Trump's kid with a crack pipe in their mouth. It would be the end. That would their mouth. That would be it. I think Don Jr., he tweeted if I did half the things that Hunter Biden did, I'd be in prison. Well, there's no question about that. His dad told him that. Not only would he be in prison, but Donald would be in prison.

That's the thing. The connection on this laptop is getting worse and worse. China has a very clever strategy that I think they call, what do they call it? Hunting the elites or elite capture, elite capture. That's what they call it. They obviously elite capture Joe Biden through his son.

And, you know, is that illegal? Probably not. But still. I disagree. I think they elite captured Joe Biden through Joe Biden and his son was the intermediary. Well, there you go. Which is why Joe Biden used Air Force Two to fly his son to China for a private equity deal. Hold on.

When he was talking about the big guy, he could have been referring to someone else. There could be someone else. It could have been Sonny Corleone. The big guy could be Trump. That's true. We don't know. Have we exhausted all of our resources

in investigating this yet? Trump is a big guy. Exactly. Trump's bigger than Joe. Yeah, yeah. That proves it. Oh my yeah. That proves it. Oh, my gosh. You're right.

You know, it's funny how we have the grooming story now. Okay, groomer. And it's just fascinating. It's almost like the establishment press left is – cause and effect is so obvious and predictable. You know exactly what they're going to say, how they're going to say it, when they're going to say it. You could write their articles for them before they write it and then publish them to prove a point, but you'd be talking to nobody. Like I was mentioning with Anne and the Young Turks, even though an article comes out actually proving my point was correct they act like it never happened just to clarify you were saying that some of the people that went to the january 6th event were just let

in and should be not necessarily charged with trespass but then they interpreted that as you were talking about the people that were breaking windows and stuff as well they were lying okay so that and they're doubling down on that misinterpretation misinterpretation willful misinformation because well i i think it's fair to say perhaps that they're making it up. Because if they actually watched anything I said, they would have known that I've always said that the January 6th rioters should go to prison. Even in the Daily Beast smear piece against me, they quoted me saying the January 6th rioters should be in prison. So for the Young Turks to pretend like I've never, like I'm saying the opposite is ridiculous. But this is the point. When it comes to like the grooming story, when it comes to

Hunter Biden laptop, we talk about double standards all the time. This is one of the reasons why I think it's kind of pointless to give them quotes or even interact with them because you know exactly what they're going to do. They'll come out, they'll say, you are all fascists. Then you'll come out and be like, some of these people are groomers and they'll go, they're making up fake definitions of words now to lie and smear us. And it's like. But it's not even a fake definition. I mean, if you say you should be able to have private conversations with someone else's kid about sexuality

and tell them, don't tell your parents, you're grooming them. And even worse, even worse, on a national review, they're saying, well, we shouldn't say groomers. It's not technically grooming. You think like there's calling a bill, don't say gay, that has nothing to do with not saying gay. Can we not at least fight tough? Can we not at least play the game the way the game is played? I don't want to go dirty, but if they're going to use phrases that are catchy

and actually turn people against things, why can't we? This is grooming. You know what? I don't think we should call them the National Review because I cannot believe that that article was reviewed before they published it. That's insane. Or that anybody in the nation is still listening. The funny thing I'm seeing now from a lot of people on the left on Facebook is they're arguing the bill in Florida. Someone posted a meme where it's like,

in response to this bill, I'm going to stop talking to kids about traditional marriage and heterosexuality, and I'm not going to use gendered pronouns. And I'm like, you are now arguing that the actual position of the conservatives is the position they don't have you're i'm confused like you are the ones who created the narrative that banned people talking about gay people when the conservatives never said that it was just identity in general and now you're it's it's like they're mad at themselves there is no

excuse to talk to somebody else's child in kindergarten about their sexuality. There's no excuse. When I was a kid, a cop used to come and visit you in school and say, if anybody does this, call the police. The policeman is your friend. He will come and take this bad guy away. Now they're actually saying, there are people on TV saying, I'm gay and now I can't talk to children about my personal life. That's not even true about teaching them math? How about that?

But also, like, am I supposed to cry for that person? Like, oh, no. Yeah, I know. But it's not even true. You can still talk about your personal life. If they need to talk about their personal life, they need a therapist. To these children, right? Yeah.

Well, so I do want to jump to another story, but I'm just curious because when it comes to the media and the very obvious predictable nature of the lies and the manipulations, I'm curious your thoughts, Andrew. My attitude has very much been just ignored at this point because the moral universes are so disparate. Like there's not a single sane, rational human being of cognitive faculties who is going to agree that adults should have sexual conversations with children in secret. But there's the entirety of the democratic establishment lying to maintain that adults should have sexual conversations with children in secret, but there's the entirety of the democratic establishment lying to maintain that. What do you think the solution is here that, you know, what do we do? I think you do have to speak up for the simple reason that people get afraid. They think that more people agree with them than do.

And so, you know, I worked in Hollywood for a long time and I would walk into a meeting and somebody would come over to me and say, I saw you on Hannity last night. Whisper, I saw you on Hannity last night. And I would say, why are you whispering? We're in the right. You know, most people in the country agree with us. And the thing is, they can create an atmosphere of agreement and of being in the majority. That simply isn't the case.

I mean, look at the fact. Look at the fact. What happened with Disney was this guy, Bob Chapik. He's a conservative. He wanted to take Disney out of the majority. That simply isn't the case. I mean, look at the fact what happened with Disney was this guy, Bob Chapik. He's a conservative. He wanted to take Disney out of the politics. A minority of his employees who are LGBTQ came and yelled at him and he caved. Where was the

majority? Sounds like conservatives have a tendency towards cowardice. Yeah. I was about to say, he sounds like a conservative. I think humans tend towards cowardice. Humans seem to I think humans tend towards cowardice. Humans seem to be, they tend towards cowardice when they're alone, when they think they're alone. That's right. That's right.

Big part of it is, like you said, speaking up so people know they're not alone. Yep. I mean, you look at what happened to Papa John. I'm not surprised these CEOs are like, I'll do whatever you say. Yep, absolutely. And that's the other thing. They're not going to get sued by angry conservatives. Papa John did nothing wrong.

I love that statement. That's correct. They'll lie, and they'll cheat, and they'll steal, and they'll manipulate. But Papa John was on a phone call, and he complained about racism. He used the word to—he was a racial slur—to complain about the slur and how someone else had used it. No one cared. And we're in a situation now. They've destroyed his life, his career. YouTube censorship laws is like if you reference a book from the past that has a rate, a word in it that's now considered racist. You're essentially the algorithm treats it as if you're the ones making the racist comment.

And that's dangerous for rhetoric, for society, for free speech. I don't you know, same thing happened to John. Yeah. And here's another thing conservatives do. They sit and defend YouTube and Facebook saying, well, they're independent companies, so they can do whatever they want. You don't want the government making rules about them. Well, yeah, I do. No, actually, I do.

The government is there. It was instituted among men to protect our God-given rights. The First Amendment protects those rights from the government. But the government, actually, its job is to protect our God-given rights. The First Amendment protects those rights from the government, but the government actually, its job is to protect our free speech rights. When you have things like Google, which is controlling 90% of the information flow, Amazon, which is selling 90% of the new books, they can be regulated. They can be essentially regulated to make sure that everybody gets to speak. Let's talk.

I just want to add this. It's kind of hilarious. We see this a lot with conservatives basically just accepting the left-wing framing so what lefties will say is you believe in free market capitalism doesn't that mean you think any big business should be able to do whatever they want to at any time and conservatives go i guess you're i guess i do believe that sir and then they go off and they fail to achieve anything whenever they elect their leaders uh but you look at the left and they've been sitting there for years going oh no you know it's a private business.

They can do whatever they want. And then as soon as Elon Musk buys a significant share of Twitter, my goodness, we can't. These people are too powerful. We can't allow them to influence the public discourse with their money. Let's talk about the true nature of some of these organizations. We have this story from TimCast.com. Black Lives Matter purchased a $5.8 million mansion from a friend who paid three point one million dollars days earlier patrice colors described criticism of the purchase as racist and sexist in an instagram post according to a new york magazine report the national black lives matter group purchased a

six million dollar mansion in la with donor funds in october 2020 blm took measures to keep the purchase a secret on wednesday colors responded to questions over the cash purchase of the Studio City mansion, describing them as racist and sexist. She said that the author had a proven and very public bias against me and other black leaders. The expansive estate was purchased by Diane Paschal, the financial manager for the LLC, Janiya and Patrice Consulting. The New York Post reported the property was purchased from televangelists Sean and Sherry Bolts on October 21st, 2020 for $3.1 million.

Quote, LA County Property Assessment Records consulted by the Post show the value of the two parcels combined, it's one house with two buildings, at $3.3 million on July 6th, 2020,

three months before Pascal's purchase. The value nearly doubled after the purchase of the property on January 24th, 2021. The assessment for the two parcels shot up to 5.8. Pascal told the Post he paid the asking price without elaborating further. Within a week of the purchase, ownership was transferred to an LLC in Delaware named after the property's address, public records show. Now, I don't know exactly if this proves anything definitively, but here's what it sounds like at the very least. There were televangelists who had a $3.3 million property.

They listed it for sale. This guy buys it for the asking price, which the Bolts's, it was, what's the guy's name? I want to make sure i get sean bolt said was 3.1 million about a week later the blm non-profit bought it for 5.8 where did that 2.7 million dollars go right it seems like just seems like seems like it went to fighting racism and sexism. A nonprofit pulled a shady deal to give $2.7 million to launder it out of a nonprofit into private hands. So it is now obfuscated and used for who knows what. I was waiting for that launder word because that's what it sounds like. It does seem like.

It sounds like. You know, I'm going to go all the way on this. First of all, BLM is a con game all the way down. It is a con game all the way down. They tore this country apart over the death of a fentanyl addict who resisted arrest. And the policing was bad in that story, but they tore the country apart. The police don't kill black people. The police are not prejudiced against black people.

Black people commit an inordinate amount. Let me put it another way. An inordinate amount of the crime, violent crime that is committed, is committed by people who are black. 50% of murders. I think there's a better way to put it. I think it's poor people.

And a lot of black neighborhoods tend to be impoverished. Maybe, maybe. But the facts are the facts. 50% of the country, 7% of the country are black males. It's not that 7% of the country are committing 50% of the murders because it's a small number. The majority of black people, of course, are not murderers at all. It's a small number of bad guys who are black who are committing 50% of the crime.

That puts police in a certain position. That means you are statistically more suspicious when you go into a neighborhood and you're black. And it's very insulting and upsetting for a stand-up guy who's black to get stopped by the police for nothing. But it's also upsetting for a stand-up cop who's also in the majority to be accused of being racist because there was a bad cop. So all I'm saying is this is a con game from the beginning. Their open plan on their website until they took it down was a Maoist plan to introduce,

violently introduce socialism and destroy the American family and destroy as they call it, cisgender sexuality and they did it through riots. It's all a con game. And specifically on their website targeting the family, disrupting the nuclear family. Yes. But I would love to actually have a deeper, like, a moral discussion because I think we often don't go through it.

I mentioned poverty and you mentioned race. But I don't think you're implying that based on race they're committing more crime. I don't imply that. I don't think that's true at all. I think the left thinks it's true. I think that's why they want to get rid of bail and they want to get rid of policing because they don't – literally, the left does not think black people can rise above. And I thoroughly believe they can. So the issue I see, having grown up in Chicago, having lived in New York, is that – I agree.

I think the stats are the stats that come from the FBI. I think it's tied to poverty. And then there's the issue of historical wealth and systemic racism. Now, often the right says, you know, there isn't systemic racism, or we recently saw with Jon Stewart and Andrew Sullivan, Sullivan said, what systems, what systems? Jon had a terrible argument. I think Andrew performed poorly. Did you see that segment they did? And so, so I would love to get your thoughts on this. You know, the way I see it is crime is tied to poverty. And I think what we end up seeing with FBI crime stats,

it actually generates racist beliefs that some people believe race is the component that causes the crime. I think poverty is the component. And I think there are elements of history in the United States going back to, say, the 80s. See, I would say culture. If poverty caused crime, Wall Street would be an honest place. Yeah, but that's a different kind of crime. What poverty does is it limits the kind of crime you could commit. The guy who holds you up in an alley would happily write a check and steal money from a company without risking his life. But he doesn't have that option.

Is it violent crime? Violent crime, yeah. But people are sinful, they're broken, they're criminal, and that is going to come out everywhere. However, the culture, black culture has been utterly destroyed, and it was destroyed by Great Society programs by the left. Before the Great Society, before Lyndon Johnson's Great Society, black people were moving into the middle class faster than they were afterward. They were warned, the Democrats were warned by a Democrat, by their own guy, that these programs would foster single-parent homes and destroy the black family.

It used to be that 25% of black children were born out of wedlock. Now it's 75%. That's more than when Democrats were actually selling their slaves because all the slave owners were Democrats too. They were selling their slaves down the river to purposely break up the family. It's worse now. They finally broke up the black family. When you go into a prison, a Democrat will tell you, oh, look, they're all black and

Hispanic, therefore it must be black. They're all fatherless, every single one. You go down that prison cell, you are looking at one fatherless child after another. It's culture. And people are poor and honest. Most black people who are poor are also honest. They're trying to build jobs. They're trying to build a life and all this.

But when you have no father, when you have broken homes, when each guy has three different baby mamas and all this stuff, you are going to have more crime. And that's what's happened. This has only happened since the 60s. Since the, you know, Jason Reilly, one of the much better writers about black problems in America, had a book and it was called Please Stop Helping Us. And that's what I think the problem is.

It makes me wonder about the Democrats' position before civil rights and how their position after civil rights still perpetuates serious problems in the black community. Well, right, because, I mean, the Martin Luther King idea that you should be judged by the content of your character, not the color of your skin, has gone out the window. I want to point something out. You saw in California, they were trying to repeal the civil rights provision from their constitution. Do you remember this? Because of the fact that kept them from doing affirmative action. Right. And so I had a conversation with a friend who is woke. And I asked, do you know the demographics of California? Yeah, it's overwhelmingly white. I think it's like

70% white. And I said, and do you believe that there are towns in California that are 99% white? Well, yes, of course. Of course there are. Do you think those towns, when this law passes, or when you repeal the civil rights provision are do you think those towns when this law passes or when you repeal the civil rights provision do you think they're now all of a sudden going to have an epiphany and recognize that uh they should treat everyone equally or do you think that those people because by virtue of being white they're racist will be racist towards black people with impunity because you've repealed the protections good Good question. Right. So, but my point there, I'm sorry, just is stop helping people, right? That's the point.

They say, we're going to help you with these things. And they take away a provision that was fought long and hard for, civil rights. And look at the way Democrats, the left, let's say, talk about black people. They say, well, we want more black people in school, so we, in college, so we've got to lower the standards and you think really how about raising the educational level of your the crappy schools in their neighborhoods what would that be like or giving them school

choice oh getting them right and obama just got that yes the democrats continually got that but this is the problem you know when it comes to we have a we have a lot of problems you know giving my i'll give you my perspective from Chicago. Racial segregation is the norm in Chicago, mostly by choice but still the remnants of blockbusting and redlining. So redlining is when they said that the real estate companies or whatever, they would draw out areas where they're like, we'll only move certain people of certain races, black people in these areas near the redline. And so you end up with enclaves. There's actually – where I grew up, 47th Street, 47 South. When you cross it to the North, it becomes an entirely black community. To the South,

it's fairly mixed, a lot of Polish immigrants. And what happens is the remnants of those policies result in people wanting to move into areas where there's people of their own community. So it keeps segregation fairly entrenched. But then you also have laws that were passed that seemingly do the same thing. I've talked about how they had a Latino elotes carts, the corn with the mayo and stuff, and they wouldn't let them come to our neighborhood. They passed a law or whatever, banning them from crossing one street. Just so happens that one street, once you cross it, all the ads are in Spanish. So I think you've got in chicago a very serious democrat problem i personally think that they thrive on racism i absolutely totally agree they make it worse because they can weaponize at twin elections you end up with chicago being run by democrats for

what now 100 years with with what how many improvements have it's only gotten worse it's only gotten worse but you know what if if. It's only gotten worse. But you know what? If I may just... People like to gather with their own. This country, we forget what a revolutionary experiment this country is. What Andrew Sullivan said to John Stewart was exactly right. I lived out of this country for seven years. This is the least racist country on earth. That doesn't mean it's not racist.

That doesn't mean there aren't racists. That doesn't mean there aren't systems in place that can be reformed. But this is the only country in the world since Rome, since the Roman Empire, where we say, if you come over, you are an American. You come here, you're an American.

Doesn't matter what you look like. Doesn't matter where you come from. If you look at who is most successful in America, I think it's Indian Americans. Certainly Chinese Americans are successful. So it's not color. It's not skin color that's keeping people down. This country is amazing in its ethnic diversity.

And when you leave places like L.A. and Chicago that are so largely segregated, like I'm living in a place now where there are plenty of middle-class black people. The couples are all mixed and all this stuff. And you think like, yeah, this is what America does. It has always done it. There's a special problem with black people, the couples are all mixed and all this stuff. And you think like, yeah, this is what America does. It has always done it. There's a special problem with black people, which is that everybody else came here to escape the oppression. They alone were oppressed here. And that is a huge difference. It takes a certain amount of grace to forgive a country for doing that to you. I think they're going to have to exercise that grace because it's the only thing that's going

to free them from anger in the past. But it's a tough thing to ask for. I think the solution is simple, and a lot of these woke people don't want to accept it. If we've already passed laws, we've outlawed blockbusting and redished because of it, lack of generational wealth, then instead of making race in the law, you just say, we're going to provide tax benefits, tax credits to certain families at certain levels, which we do. And then you will disproportionately benefit black families or, you know. You got to talk about the culture too. This is the thing that gets me about conservatives here.

This bothers me about conservatives. Everybody knows in America, and this is still true to this day, if you get married before you have children, if you go to high school, if you graduate high school and then get married and then have children, you probably won't be poor. That's just the stats. However, if you grow up without a dad, if your mom is addicted to drugs, it's a little harder to do that. This is the thing that conservatives forget about. Like, it may be a little tougher. It's easier to do that when you grow up in the suburbs and you've seen it done. You know, white kids listen to rap and hip hop, which I'm sorry, I think is garbage.

But white kids listen to it ironically. Black kids listen to it and it actually affects the way they live and their culture. If we don't... White kids like rap, dude. Come on. No, they like it, but they listen to it and it actually affects the way they live and their culture if we don't if my kids like rap dude come on no they like it but they but they listen to it ironically they don't think oh yes they do because they they go home and they see oh my mom and dad like each other they're not beating up hoes and you know there's white people in in these neighborhoods i grew up in the south side of chicago everyone listened to rap i understand but we're talking about kids listen

to master p i understand that but we're talking about they weren't coming home to good moms like my friend's mom was a heroin addict i i understand but again we're talking about... They weren't coming home to good moms. Like, my friend's mom was a heroin addict. I understand, but again, we're talking about generality and statistics, right? We're not talking about the people who do that. We're saying there is this problem of crime in black communities that it's not in white communities. I think you're talking about class, actually, because you're talking about South Side Chicago, and it's the same as what you're talking about in the black community. So maybe it's just a community issue. I think the skin color is a false flag that

the consciousness of these people that are like the great-grandchildren of slaves or great-grandchildren are still poor and so they're doing crime and then because you see their skin color you're like well it's the black skin color that's why i agree with that i mean but at the same time you have these left-wing activists who make it all about the skin color and as a result of that they forward policies that actually do end up keeping the group down as a whole i would hang out like i lived in atlanta it's real multicultural i went down and lived on normal avenue you know with a mexican community and i would i would think words to people instead of speak because i didn't speak the language and i could integrate really nicely and i understand what you're saying that there's a

black community i i sometimes i push back on this because i want to believe that we're all one community as a species but it's a it's a lot of hugging, cooking, home, home meal, made meals, a lot of calling your mom on the phone. Like that's not in the white. It wasn't really part of my community growing up. I mean, my mom wanted us to have dinner together, but it wasn't that like hugging love that I sensed in that community. So maybe I can see that they are. A lot of these problems exist, for instance, in what they now call hillbilly communities. So maybe I can see that they are. in groups of people, right? So, you know, if I took 100 people and put them in a space capsule, they would instantly become a new race, right?

Because they'd sleep with each other and their children would be related and whatever happened to them would affect them. So it is culture. But because people tend to gather together with their kind, and sometimes, as you say, are forced to gather together with their kind, those cultures are going to look like a certain way. Let's clarify that music point. You're referring to, like, the gang's clarify that music point. You're specifically referring to

the gangsta culture music, not rap as music. No, I hate it as music, but still, that's my personal opinion. I don't understand that. I think rap's great. I know Sven also said rap wasn't music. It's not music, okay, folks? It's a huge controversy. It's not even music,

all right? Don't even come at me with that. I feel like I'm home. When I walk down the street with my boombox, I'm playing even music, all right? Don't even come at me with that. I feel like I'm home. When I walk down the street with my boombox, I'm playing classical music, okay? Not hip-hop. Have you heard Handlebars by Flowbots? No, and I'm not going to. You're going to love it. You're absolutely going to.

Am I? Yeah. It's basically telling the story of someone growing up and then eventually becoming a despot. You know, I was in an Uber, going and coming, one direction being driven by a guy, one by a girl. Both ways they were playing on the radio the same song, right? The same, I don't know if it's hip hop or rap, whatever it was.

And the story was about a woman being forced to perform fellatio while they laughed at her. And I just wanted to say like you know this is degrading it's degrading to listen to that's not indicative of rap that's indicative of a certain kind of music like a certain a certain it's indicative of a certain artist themselves you know what i mean but if you have a like look at madonna you know i'm on my knees praying or whatever yeah yeah but if you have a all i'm saying is if you're listening to that song and you have a mom and dad who treat each other nicely, that doesn't mean that much.

It's ironic. It's kind of, it's like watching, it's like me watching a gangster movie. I love gangster movies. I'm never going to go out and kneecap somebody, you know. But if you are growing up in a dysfunctional house or dysfunctional culture, dysfunctional neighborhood and you're listening to that, it may well become your standard for how you treat women. I think, you know, from where I grew up, the neighborhood I was in was very multiracial, and that was a lot of the music everyone listened to. So people weren't going home to a mom and dad

who were dancing on date night. They were going home to broken homes. So how were the outcomes in that neighborhood? I mean, I've had a couple friends of mine who were white die of heroin overdoses. They almost all were in gangs, and they were white. They're all still very poor and their lives are some people have i rest my case middle class living yeah oh definitely cultural issues for sure yeah and

that's that's i think we definitely agree on that one my whole thing is just like rap music is not all you know just talking about beating women and doing awful things and shooting people up like there's rap music that's very thoughtful, thought-provoking. Modest Yahoo, for instance. This is the only subject on which I'm probably more conservative than Ben, so I probably shouldn't get into this. I think you made a great point about the brainwashing power of media. It's massive.

And we're on a new environment, a new horizon. And it interacts with culture because, again, I can play a violent video game. It's not going to mean a thing to me. But if you're playing it for 12 hours a day and nobody's taking care of you, it actually does make sense. But just to clarify, when you're referring to rap, are you referring to about the content of the songs, what they depict? Well, I also think the music is simplistic. But I think rock music is simplistic, too, so I'm not the right person to talk to. But I do think the degraded lyrics

are a problem. So that's just an issue of particular artists. There's rock music that's also simplistic trash too, with bad lyrics. I agree. I haven't liked a song since like 1500s. You know when it comes to hip hop, I like melody. It's melody, vocal melody. That's what I'm

missing with hip hop. I don't ever get into it really. You know, I have to tell you, this is absolutely, my father was a fairly famous New York DJ and he played what was called then middle of the road music, which is now called the American songbook. So as a little kid, I grew up listening to Frank Sinatra and Cole Porter, Gershwin and all this stuff. One day, my father who knew music really well came home and said, this new thing has come out. It's amazing. This band out of Britain called The Beatles. And he played it for me. And I was like, what, eight years old, you know? And I said, are you kidding me? She loves you? Yeah, yeah. You're going to trade

Cole Porter for that? And he said, no, no, this is the new thing. I'm talking to like a 50-year-old man, you know? So I just stayed where I was. I went through the entire 60s listening to Sinatra. I got to tell you, I agree. I listen to music on the radio sometimes, like, well, now with streaming services, autoplay. And I'm just like, this song has no meaning behind it at all. Right. It's just, but, you know, take a look at Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit. This song is mostly gibberish. I find a lot of rock.

I found even a lot of, I mean, I actually kind of like the Beatles, but I found a lot of rock. I found even a lot of, I mean, I actually kind of like the Beatles, but I found a lot of their songs incomprehensible. I've got two songs to show you. Have you taken LSD? That'll help. Yeah, sure. I've got two songs for you.

We'll show you. One's rap, one's not. We'll show you after the show. All right. And it is mandatory. You will hold it out. No, I'm sorry. And you have to watch Star Trek.

Oh, yeah. We already did that to Michael Malice. He is absolutely required. I love Star Trek. Michael Malice didn't like it. Sometimes in hip-hop, you get like when they're talking like this, you hear like the melody and the tone. You can kind of derive a melody out of that.

Like the voice goes up and down when they're making their sound. Do you like Charlie Daniels band? Yeah. Devil Went Down to Georgia. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That song's ever-repeating. I love that Charlie Daniels' band? Yeah. Devil Went Down to Georgia. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That song's ever-winning. I love that song. I saw a funny tweet. It said, when I was little, I thought that the devil in his demon band sounded better than Johnny, and I felt bad about it.

And I'm like, but anyone who objectively listens to that song knows that the demon band section of the song does sound way better. The bass line. The person who started the Salvation Army. That's what he said. Why should the devil get all the best tunes? That was one of the great lines.

That song is so good. I love that song. Devil Went Down to Georgia. I mean, I love the feature. I'm a joke where it's like, wouldn't a solid gold fiddle weigh hundreds? Be heavy and sound crummy? And sound lousy. Let's talk about this story, too.

I want to mention one thing really quickly about this story. We strayed from it, but i just wanted to make a quick point i think it is poetically beautiful that the house was purchased from televangelists because blm they are the exact same thing it is a modern iteration they're the holy people who everyone knows are grifters and hacks and every normal person rolls their eyes out but for some reason have esteem and legitimacy because they claim to be fighting for a good cause. Let me let me pull the story because I think regular people are waking up. The narrative is breaking from Timcast dot com.

Pennsylvania Republicans increase voter registration, shrinking gap and predominantly Democrat state for every Republican voter who has registered as a Democrat. Four former Democrats have become Republicans. Four times as many, switching the other direction. I always give a shout out to Scott Pressler. Are you familiar with Scott Pressler? Not really. The persistence on Twitter. This guy's been going out and registering to vote all over the place.

He was cleaning up cities. Now, this is a guy who gets, you know, he does the work. And partly due to his work. And truth be told, there's many other activists who are working towards voter registration as well. We're now starting to see the tides shift. I don't think the Republican party will be the salvation of anybody unless people vote in the primaries and they do kind of what we're seeing up in New Hampshire with the free state project. You see that getting a bunch of, you know, populist America first libertarian minded people to run. And then we're going to see some positive changes, but this is massive. And again,

it's indicative of people saying we've had enough. The economy's in the gutter. We don't like Joe Biden. It's been a year and already we're seeing this massive shift. And it's also people snapping out of the media narrative. I want to show you one thing before we all start diving into this. Take a look at this from the generic congressional vote 2022. Republicans have a lead of 3.6 points. So we're still a bit out. Take a look at 2020. The Democrats had the lead in the generic congressional polling aggregate the entire time, ending with a 6.8 lead. republicans still made powerful gains especially in democrat strongholds what are we going to see in november it's going to be this november is going to be a wipeout i think unless the only thing that could stop it and it's not going to happen is joe biden

basically saying uh well you know i think the environment matters but the new green deal is finished you know if he actually turns against the left. Because remember, like Obama, Biden ran as a centrist. That was the whole point of Joe Biden. And, you know, one thing people forget about Obama, he was a very popular guy, obviously a very charismatic and kind of likable guy, and people liked him. Every Democrat except him was voted out of office during his term of office, right? There was like two Democrats still working. The rest of them were, you know, at a malt shop somewhere.

So people do not like these programs. But you saw the state of the union with biden right yeah it was it was sort of the we're still hoping to do things of the union yes because this come on what's the state of the union campaign speech but i mean he talks about border security he says i'm a capitalist he was he was just we said actually refund fund the police that's right yes he did he said we need to secure the border he's he's he's he's trying to play both sides in the field of dreams i mean how stupid does he think well i guess i guess we people switching parties is proof that people are not stupid. They're waking up and they realize Joe Biden is spitting in their faces. I agree.

And I don't even know. Is Joe Biden running the country? I have no idea. But whoever is, I mean, really, the AOC, Bernie Sanders wing of the party is completely in control. They believe, as AOC just said on the air, she said, we've got to be more uh left wing because you know let him let him that's the way i feel too yeah go for it i think it's the bankers that are controlling the country i saw an andrew jackson quote from 1830 where he called the bankers a nest of den of vipers and then they he was attempted they tried to kill him they shot

somebody shot him and he broke up the central bank i agree to a certain degree right obviously the federal reserve you know we all have our problems with. But I think what happened to the Democrats is they saw AOC and the rise of the progressives, and they thought, we can wield this power. But little did they realize it was like the one ring, and they would not be able to. Yeah, that's right. Well, Biden has always followed the drift of his party. During Clinton, he was kind of conservative.

I mean, he wrote the anti-crime bill that everybody's complaining about. So he always has followed the drift of his party. He is, you know, they call it leading from behind. I mean, it's leading from your ass, basically. But I mean, he has always followed where the power in his party is. And right now, the energy, the power in his party is on the left, but not

the majority. I mean, he follows the party so closely, like he literally steals their back stories when he talks about it. Why am I the first Biden to not work in a coal mine? The first Biden. Well, you do got to give Joe Biden credit for one thing. He's brought a few things to the White House that we've not seen any president bring before.

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Yeah, the double Nenene. Yeah, the true Nenene. True Nenene, Shabba Depressor. True international something under pressure. I think that's what he was attempting. True international cooperation. Like the Biden whisperer. We've talked about it before. Yeah, he does that little whisper.

You know what concerns me about him going with the flow is like that this weird kind of, I don't know, about him going with the flow is like that. This, this weird kind of, I don't know how to describe it. This movement of like left, this communist ideologies that are kind of creeping. It seems like he's giving it to them. Like he's just letting it happen. Cause it feels like that's where the pressure is coming from is these,

we got to do what the young people want, man. I don't know what, what he's, why, but it seems like he's just folding. Somebody told him, or he told himself

that with a 50 50 split in congress in the senate certainly but really across the board he was going to become fdr and that's just not the way politics works it's not the way american politics work he does not have the votes to do the things that he wanted to do and people didn't want them done joe mansion you know it's funny jo Manchin actually represents a more popular point of view than AOC does. I mean, if you just counted people who agreed, checked off what Manchin believes in, they would follow him. But AOC is more popular because she's pretty? She's popular to the press.

And she's popular. Remember, she's in a safe district. She's in a safe district. I really get turned off by how people follow beautiful people. It's really disgusting. Well, Ian, bro. People don beautiful people. It's really disgusting. Well, Ian. People don't want – It's so dangerous.

We've got to fix that as a species. So are you saying you hate my fans? Well, I'm not saying you're beautiful, if that's what you're asking. Your fans are the beautifulest, though. I was going to do a similar joke, but I was going to say, Ian, would you give up all your followers then? I was going to say it, too, but I was like, you know what? It would be a bad look to compliment Ian. I'll compliment myself. We I was going to say it, too, but I was like, you know what? It would be a bad look to compliment Ian. I'll compliment myself.

We're all going to die eventually. You see the story that AOC, the FEC says that they failed to report a million dollars in expenses, that it seems they were funneling money, dark money, between two different organizations run by CEC at Chakrabarti? That sounds like a racist, sexist thing to say. This is, to me, the fascinating thing. I don't hear anybody talking about this. All these socialists are supported by the rich.

And I wonder, does AOC ever wake up in the middle of the night and think, why are the biggest corporations on earth agreeing with me? I'm a socialist. I mean to take their property away. Why are they agreeing with me? Or does she know that socialism always serves the rich and the powerful? She seemed to change about a year and a half ago. Something snapped in her brain, and now like i it's weird she's like

on board with that thing it feels like it's never changed in her rhetoric power do you guys ever see the episode of simpsons where someone asks homer to listen and he says you have my undivided attention and then it zooms into his brain and it's a it's a it's playing monkey with the symbols right no no it's an old cartoon with the cow playing. Yeah, and it's a turtle who's banging on his chest like – I kind of imagine that when I see her like doing interviews or talking because she said things that are so absurd. You'd think she doesn't have access to a dictionary or Google. Yeah. Like when she talked about capitalism, she was like, no one's a capitalist because they're not rich.

It's like those things don't connect. What are you talking about? Did you Google that before you said it? Another one of her greatest hits is when she was complaining about the fact that people say that universal health care is going to cost a lot of money. And she said, well, why don't people talk about all the money we're going to save when we don't have to pay for as many funerals? It's like, do you think people stop dying if we have universal health care? Or they eat more sugar because you keep them alive longer. Remember Amazon?

Oh, she said she saved money for her district because Amazon didn't move there. They're like, why are they giving money to Amazon? They're not. They're giving them a discount on taxes they would pay. So the $30 billion the city would get. And the jobs. Right, right, right. So it's like Amazon would pay $27 billion instead of $30 billion because they're getting a $3 billion discount.

And she's like, but why are we giving them $3 billion? But here's the thing. So they don't go to nationals. Exactly not. They're paying us. But that's actually so – and I'm going to be honest. That's not just – Opportunity cost.

That's not – for as many problems as there are with AOC's thinking, socialism being one of them, that's not a unique flaw with their thinking. That's just part of the socialist ethos. This business is only here exploiting and taking advantage of our workers. The only way we benefit from them being there is by taking their money involuntarily. So from their perspective, they really did lose money on that, as absurd as that sounds. But they were either way going to take money from Amazon, just a little bit less. But they don't see it that way because Amazon was going to come there and exploit their workers.

Socialists never ask themselves where the money comes from. Yeah. I love going on these posts I'll see on Facebook where it's like they say landlord isn't a real job or they say wage labor is theft. And so I asked a few of these socialists some questions. I was like, what if the people who rent my property are paying less than the cost of maintaining and upkeeping the property? Is that theft?

And they're like, that makes no sense. What do you mean? Like sometimes people rent out a property and it will cost more than the amount they're paying in rent. So who's being robbed now? Yeah. There's like no, no good answer. I said, what if I'm paying the employee more money than they generate for the company?

Is that theft? And they're like, that's not possible. I'm like, yeah, it's called investment. Like you can invest in a project that's making no money, but you're hoping to make money in the long term. So you're giving your money to somebody who's making no money for you in the hopes they eventually will. And then you'll get paid back.

They're like, well, then you're an idiot. That's literally what I was told on Facebook. Well, that's like when women demand equal pay for the same sport. And you go like, nobody's watching the sport. Nobody's watching women's sports. It's just like they will now that men are playing them, but still. And you get paid the money that you bring in. I actually knew the people who got at the X Games.

They used to pay women 10% of what the men got paid and so this is the story as it was told to me because i actually ended up going to the x games as like a an advisor liaison or whatever with one of these organizations so a good friend of mine was one of the top female skateboarding pros uh for a while and what i was told by these people at the x games they would give i think it was like,000 to the first place male winner. And the first place female winner would get $3,000. And when this group of, you know, parents and organizers went to Disney to ESPN or whatever, whoever runs it said, you're paying women 10%. Like that's not fair. And they said, look at the stands.

How many people are there watching you You guys, you don't sell any tickets. We can't pay you money. We don't have. Well, after some clever negotiating and some good PR tactics, eventually they agreed we're going to pay the same. What the argument was from the organizers is we have the best female skateboarders in the world. If you can't sell tickets, you have a marketing problem. And so they said, you're going to pay the same you're going to pay. And so eventually they agreed. There's a really interesting backstory behind it. I don't know if it's public, so I'll refrain, but that was their mentality. I think there's a decent point there, to be honest. Well, no, well, if, if there is a point there, if, if, if you're going to invest in a show and you're saying the going rate for the top athletes in a division is X, you're investing hoping that you can figure out how to monetize it.

If you want top athletes and you can't figure out how to sell those top athletes, then I'd argue get rid of the division outright instead of just being like – Well, that certainly would have been one answer, but I don't understand. I mean, maybe there's just less demand. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if it's a problem with marketing, why don't these female skateboarders get together, rent a stadium, hire a competent marketer, and make just as much money as the men? Well, that would require tens of millions of dollars in investment they didn't have. Potentially, but they could start smaller and they'd still be generating more income

than this business that is just failing to market them properly. When you come to performance-based jobs, you've got to pay people based on their performance. And if the girls can't jump as high, sorry. You're not performing as well in that environment. But look at women's tennis. Women's tennis makes a ton of money. That's because women's tennis is almost a different game. I love tennis, and women's tennis is almost a different game and in some ways a better game because it's slower and you can see it.

Oh, that's a good point. And they wear those cute little dresses. So it brings people in. But that's the curve of the ball, isn't it? Everything. I never liked the Williams sisters, not because of any personal animus, but they were so strong that they kind of overwhelmed people because I always liked the slower women's game because it's just more strategic and more interesting. The rallies last longer. It's just more fun.

So it makes money. Women's volleyball too. I've always loved that. So the guy who actually led the charge for women's tennis in the 80s is the same guy who was leading the same charge for women's skateboarding. So I think there's still an agreement there. I think perhaps they need to create a different structure and stop trying to just replicate men's with women

and maybe make something different. Well, I'm all for that. I think that that is one of the big mistakes of feminism is they're always trying to make the women men, even in how they live their lives. Like women start their careers early because of the feminists say their careers are important. I think why not have the babies early and then have your career afterwards it makes a lot more sense

just because men do it one way doesn't mean women have to do it the same way i'll tell you man uh there's this woman i know she had a kid when she was in her mid-20s so this is what what she told me her and this guy were both doing the same kind of work. They were working in like media production. She ends up having a kid and took off only a little bit of time to, you know, take maternity time off and then raise the kid. But it disproportionately held her back because there's an exponential gain to working nonstop when you're young. And so, you know, she was pointing out that she's now in her 30s and she's half

the distance of the guy who never took any time off. Sure. But that, that, that said, I said to that, I'm like, I don't know if there's any solution to that because women literally have babies and men don't. Yes. And, and also maybe she got something else that men didn't have. And maybe she had a life that she liked better. You know, she got to have a kid and spend time with her kid. And that other guy did. It's a nice thing. Yeah. I think that's the crazy thing about it that right now, you know, we're telling young girls to be men, to adopt the masculine role. And we're sort of ignoring the fact that having kids is a magical thing. It's beautiful. It's wonderful. And people take it for granted. And I hate how it's viewed as some sort of consolation prize. Oh, you didn't have a career, but you get to have a kid as if your career is going to be more meaningful than

creating human life. There are so many people who are infertile, who would love to be able to have a child and they can't. And we constantly refer to this as something that we can just take for granted. In fact, we view it as a demeaning thing. Oh, you think that I should just have children? Or you think this person or these people should just be having kids? Like, what do you mean just be having kids? That's the most incredible thing a person can do. Let's trigger the entirety of the overwhelming majority of millennial Democrat women. That's what I'm here for.

How many women, millennial women, do you think secretly would prefer to be stay-at-home mothers with children? I can answer this question. Most of them. Yes. I can answer this question. Most of them. Yes. I can answer it experientially. I lived for many years in a place called Montecito, which is in Santa Barbara, possibly one of the wealthiest communities on earth. All of the women stay at home. Why? Because they could. I mean, that was it. They had a complete choice. And people always ask me,

why do you talk about the rich? And I say, because they have complete choice. You know, they could have worked. And I'll tell you something else, by the way. They called them the Montecito Moms. They ran everything. They ran the town. I was a tennis player. I was in locker rooms where guys will say obnoxious things.

I never heard a man diss his wife, not once. I never heard them spoken of with anything with kind of awe and respect because they built not just a home life, but they built, it's not just having the children, it's creating souls with those children. It's a remarkable thing. And those women actually were at the center of the city. The education and formation of children, it's so unbelievably important. And it's this power that stay-at-home mothers have that they've been told to reject. And you're right that they also serve a very important function in the community. And it's not as if when they leave to have corporate careers that is filled by someone else or a different group

of people. It just either isn't done at the same level or not at all. Yeah. Feminists took the brags of men seriously. Men were like, we're more important than women. I know. Feminists are like, what? Don't they know how much we lie? And now all these years later, you've got men just sitting at home playing video games while the women are out there making the money like she bought it, dude. That's great. Yeah. Of course, I'm being facetious.

Everyone's miserable. So I just did a quick Google search. This is interesting. In 2015, Time reported Gallup said 56% of U.S. mothers – well, I don't know if they're actually saying it. Maybe this is wrong. It said who prefer to stay home over work. I hope that's the correct context. But in 2019, it says Gallup says record high 56% of U.S. women prefer working to homemaking.

Dope. But this is the reason why I said really, because there's social stigma involved. And far be it for me to say that these women are lying to polls in secret, but we also know about the secret Trump voter, that many Trump voters lied to pollsters out of fear or just distrust. I'm curious if there's a similar effect

with women who would prefer to be at home with kids or if they really would just rather be working. Well, the studies do show that women have gotten increasingly unhappy. They used to be far happier than men. They used to be both far happier and far less happy than men because women have a wider emotional range. But now they're just more unhappy than men. I think a lot of it's like the birth control and the water supply and stuff. These chemicals, man.

I don't know if it's chemical castration, but it's like changing moods. Well, we do have the challenges. Men have more estrogen. Men have less testosterone now than they did decades ago. There's microplastics in the water. You can find a poll for anything. Yeah. So here we go.

Here's a poll. Poll finds most working moms would rather stay home. Okay. So Gallup says the opposite. There's time differences. It's really hard to know. If you poll Montecito, you're going to get 98% of women want to stay home. How many people did they pull? 2,000?

We've got to figure that out. All I know is before the pandemic, when I was giving a lot of speeches at colleges, I used to start my speech by saying, listen, I'm an old guy. I'm going to tell you what I see. Young women are miserable. When I finish my speech, if I'm wrong, get up

and tell me. Don't be afraid. Just come up and tell me you're not miserable, you love what's going on. Never, not once, did a woman get up and say, we're not miserable. In fact, they often got up and said, oh, boy, are we. It feels like if people are losing hope for the future, that the women are going to feel it the hardest. That's a good point. Partly because, like you were saying, they have a stronger emotional range,

just in general, being female, as a generalization. But they're also the creators of the future. Yeah, they are the anchor of reality. And they see this nonsense of these dudes screwing around with each other, making war, and just ignoring clean water supplies, sustainable technology. Oh, man. I have to mention my book, The Truth and Beauty, because I want everybody to buy it. But this is one of the chapters in the book is about the novel Frankenstein, which I argue is about a man usurping the power of women. They frequently said in Mary Shelley, the author actually said it's about a man usurping the power of God.

And I thought, no, he's not, because men and women can make life. You know, they make life out of given material. But what he does is he makes a person without a mother. And that's the whole story. And by the end of it, the monster, as they now call him, the monster says, make me a woman. You know, make a woman for me. Make me an Eve. You made an Adam.

Now make an Eve. And when he won't do it, the guy becomes a serial killer, basically. He just kills every woman he can find. And that's, you know, that is a very powerful expression. That theme, that was the first modern science fiction novel. She invented, she was 18 years old, 19 years old when she wrote it. She invented the genre of science fiction. And that's what science fiction a lot of times is about.

So if you look at Brave New World, what happens? They get rid of mothers and they just make babies in machines. If you look at The Giver, they relegate motherhood to the lowest person. My favorite example is The Terminator, which is one of my, no, it's actually a great action film. I'm not knocking it. The first one is one of the great action. The machines have taken over the world.

Human beings are trying to fight back. So what do they do? They send somebody back in time to kill the rebel leader's mother, you know, and if you've in the first movie, the thing I love about the first movie is she's not a muscle man. She's not an action hero. She's just a girl. She's just a girl who wants to do her hair. She wants to go out and date. She's just a girl who wants to have fun.

But she's the most important person because she is going to create not just this life, not just this particular person. She's going to create the person that he becomes who's willing to fight the machines. And that's a really good point. I think in order for sci-fi to really work, what it has to do is touch on those kinds of timeless themes. And it's a genre which is really predisposed to do so

because the entire juxtaposition is this modern technology that humanity has just finally been able to come into contact with or develop against our natural instincts, which have been within us for thousands and thousands of years. But so much sci-fi that you see, which is done poorly, completely discounts that. And it tries to hold on to this idea of like the new socialist man. And even though it'll claim there will be problems with the new technology, it's never anything that deep. I think one of the challenges for a lot of the woke attempts at film is they're

just, it seems like they're trying to create a new hero's journey, but for women. So a good example of this is Captain Marvel. Have you seen that movie? No, I haven't. So in a typical hero's journey, I'm sure you're totally aware of it. I am. So basically you've got someone there, what is it, thrust into adventure, aided by magic. You can look at the story of Luke Skywalker. He's just some regular kid. That was based on Joseph Campbell's story. All of a sudden he is learning about how his dad was a great Jedi knight with force powers.

And he has to learn to use it. He gets a sword and he's on this adventure. And he's just a regular kid just like you. Watching Captain Marvel was fascinating because the story there was she was always powerful but a man was suppressing her power and only when she believed in herself could the power be unleashed and i'm like maybe they haven't figured out maybe it's not possible i don't know because the story is inherently a masculine role of a fighter adventurer a conqueror and it it and maybe that doesn't work you know what i

thought did work wonder woman did you see wonder yes i thought that was fantastic yeah first one yeah but her uh um the wonder woman's character was very much motherly and and idealistic very girly yeah and but the idealism versus the realism and i thought that was actually you know where you know where it works it works in the uh horror film alien because that is a film about these monsters that use men as as mothers they stick their thing in the guy bursts out of the of his belly and basically they feminize men so the woman in the end has to fight back and become an action hero but it's a horror movie yeah good good one too dude i want to talk about your book a little bit before we go to super tense. So it's called, I can barely see it right now, Oh, The Truth?

The Truth and Beauty. The Truth. This is why I asked you at the beginning of the show, you believe in objective truth? Of course. Oh, you're in for it. You're in for it. He and I have this debate like every other episode. This is about the romantic poets and how they invented a way of seeing that renews the way you read the Gospels.

That if you read the Gospels after reading the Romantic poets, you will see what Jesus was saying more clearly. And one of the reasons for this is they lived in a time almost exactly like this one. I mean, the relationship is uncanny. The French Revolution, they thought it was going to bring paradise. They thought, this is it. We're going to get rid of all the priests. We're going to get rid of all the kings. We're going to rewrite the calendar. We're going to change everything. We're going to change language. Women are not going to be women anymore. Marriage is not going to exist anymore. And it all fell apart. It all turned to

terror and world war. The Napoleonic Wars were 12 years of essentially a world war. And only a few people, the intellectuals didn't, just like with the fall of the Soviet Union, the intellectuals didn't want to let go of this radical dream that you could transform the world into a better place. And in the aftermath of the aftermath of this utter destruction, the romantic generation was taxed with the job of recreating human consciousness. And one of the things that had fallen away, I think the central thing that had fallen away was faith. This was the first big explosion of science. It brought faith into question.

People were actually becoming atheists for the first time. The first time in Christian Europe that people were actually saying maybe there is no God or at least there's no Christianity or there were deists or there's something new. And so these poets had to recreate human consciousness. If you lose God, if you lose the idea that this is God, and this is who he is, and this is what he tells me, you lose two things. You lose yourself, because yourself is not connected to anything, so it's just this kind of thing floating in space,

and you lose the idea of objective truth. You lose the idea that there is some kind of moral truth. So what happens? What happens is exactly what's happening now. Your inner world becomes two things at once, two completely contradictory things at once. It becomes meaningless. So you say, well, we like living in a country where women have rights,

but in Muslim countries they live in a place where you have to dress up in a bag and basically you can't go outdoors. Who's to say which is right? Which is nonsense. We're right. I mean, we are actually morally right. Or compare it to, say, the slave-holding South. Was the slave-holding South less right about human rights than the

North? Yes, it was less right. It was better not to have slaves. So that's the first thing. They teach people that their inner life means nothing. Their sense of morality means nothing. On the other hand, they teach you that their inner life is absolutely sovereign. So if in the middle of this conversation you say, oh, by the way, I'm a woman, I now have to call you a woman or else I'm a hateful person for not acknowledging the sovereignty of your inner life, right? What these poets came back to, the ones I study anyway, is that your inner life is actually a collaboration with creation. It is actually the part of creation that creates. Coleridge was the guy who came up with that formulation, but a lot of them sort of said the same thing.

Wordsworth called you an agent of the one great mind. And in reestablishing this connection with what they called nature, but ultimately became the spiritual meaning of nature, they actually reestablished what Jesus was talking about. You know, Jesus said things like, you can't be creative unless you're a branch of my vine. If the branch falls off, it's not going to create any fruit. It's got to be created to the source of life.

And so when you start to look at the world as a collaboration of you with reality, which is the only thing that makes sense. Come on, let's face it. I mean, you know, if I, if I, the only leap of faith you have to take in life, you know, people always talk about the leap of faith. I talk, talk about a little step of faith. You have to say to yourself, you have to ask yourself in all honesty, not in philosophy class, not in a conversation at two in the morning where you're drinking with your friends, in all honesty, do you believe that it is better to give a beggar bread than to kick a child? If you can say to me, well, if everybody thinks it's right to kick a child, then kicking a child is right. First of all, I think you're

lying. You don't think that. And second of all, if you will acknowledge that it is better to give a beggar bread than it is to kick a child. After that, you're done with whether there's objective truth or not. Of course there is. Of course there is. You know there is. As I always tell people, you know, this is what I always tell, like, young people who are immersed in philosophy, is don't believe what you don't believe. You know, don't say you believe something because it somehow makes sense or you can reason your way to it. You can reason your way to anything.

You know, reason is not the ultimate, is one of the tools we use. But the reason the book is called The Truth and Beauty is because one of the poets, John Keats, wrote this beautiful poem which ends with the line, beauty is truth and truth is beauty.

That's all you know on earth and all you need to know. And what he was saying was, you're actually a machine built for recognizing truth as beauty, not as prettiness, not like you like red flowers and I like white flowers, but that shock that you have when you confront truth, when you say, oh, holding a slave is wrong.

And that's what beauty is. That connection that you have to this thing that is beyond yourself. Is there a step of faith in there? Yeah, but it's a step of faith that we all have already taken. We just don't want to acknowledge it. Why do you think that the power structures of reality,

at least as far back as I can tell, have been deception and murder? The people at the top that have the control are the ones that are the most deceitful and are willing to lie. Yeah, because I think it's a broken world. I mean, I think that's one of the things.

The other part of the story of Jesus who said, you know, I am the way and the truth and the life is they killed him. And part of the message, I think, of the Gospels is that you can kill the truth. You will kill the truth, but it doesn't die. You know, it keeps coming back. You know, and the interesting thing,

you know, one of the interesting things to me about the passion story, the story of the death of Christ is that there's no real villain in it. You can kind of pick out Judas as a betrayer, but he's killed by the church. He's killed by the government. He's killed by the people. He's killed by everybody, you know, and that is the nature of truth. So you're right.

It's a broken world, and the powerful and the evil and the deceptive do tend to rise above. But we know that because we know what's right and what's wrong. Liars have that advantage. Yeah. But how would you even know they were the bad guys if there were no objective truth? That's a good point. We're talking about factory farming yesterday. And I think Tim at one point said, you know, Ian, we just eat meat. And I was like, I was picturing us in the Roman Empire. And Tim's like, you know, Ian, we just have slaves. And it was like, I don't think that, I don't know, man, it's utilitarian. I don't think that sometimes like you have to kill a million people to save a million

people. Like, is that right? Well, you're absolutely right that the, how can I put it, the analog between physical life and the moral meaning of life is imperfect. It's broken. It's broken. It's broken. I mean, you know, the famous trolley question, do you let the trolley run over five people by accident or do you turn it and do you let it run over one person by accident or do you turn it and kill five people? No, it's the other way around.

Five people on accident or one person on purpose. It's the other way around. Okay. There are some questions that can't be answered. They cannot wholly be answered. That's the world we live in. It is a broken world. Do you think you can do evil and it's right? Well, then it wouldn't be evil. It wouldn't be evil, yeah. Okay, I guess then just do you think you can destroy? I mean, I personally think you can destroy and it's right.

In certain situations, you need to sometimes start. We destroyed Nazi Germany. Things that are annihilating reality, you can destroy them. Yes, and you can kill and it's right. That's why the Ten Commandments don't say don't kill. They say don't murder. The people that are friends with the person I destroyed to preserve reality think that that's evil. But they can be wrong.

See, we know we can be wrong about reality, right? We know that we've fallen in love with somebody and it turned out, no, it was just infatuation and a past. Eros, one type of love. Yes. It ate at least. Yeah, but we thought it was true love, but it wasn't true love. We know that people held slaves and convinced themselves it was right. It's interesting when you read their diaries, they knew they were wrong, but they convinced themselves they were right.

We know you can be wrong, so that means you can be right, right? If you can be wrong, you can be right. The problem is, the truth is that just because there is such a thing as truth doesn't mean that you can pound your palm with your fist and declare what it is. You know, Jesus didn't do that. He told stories and that's a very complicated way. Socrates just asked questions, you know, the people who actually understand that there is such a thing as truth. And they are the two people I think on which our civilization is based. And they're the two people who both lived in a time of relativism and declared there was such a thing as truth and they are the two people i think on which our civilization is based and they're the two people who both lived in a time of relativism and declared there was such

a thing as truth but neither of them said and the truth is this i thought einstein also was interesting there was a god well christ said he was the way in the truth he said that but that's a very complex thing to say right i mean but he is i mean the truth is a person it's jesus christ that's right that's right and then there are also certainly like, if you love me, keep my commandments, which means these are things that are right and wrong. Yes, but the commandments are interesting because the commandments are almost always negative. And one of the questions my book asks is, once you do the negative things, what's the

positive thing you're supposed to do? Because a lot of people never get to that point. They think like, oh, you know, I'm not cheating on my wife. I'm a Christian. You know, I'm not drinking too much. I'm a Christian. You know, and you think like, okay, but would the king of heaven and earth suffer death just to tell me not to cheat on my wife?

You know, my wife tells me not to cheat on her. I don't actually need God to tell me that. You know, there must be something more that he was trying to tell us. And I think he was trying to tell us that there is a way for us to collaborate with reality that is incredibly beautiful and is happening to it happens to each of us all the time i want to i want to i want to ask like why is it do you think that among many uh secular atheist types they they almost have a desire to believe in in random nothingness yeah well because it it they think it's going to give them power they think it's

going to make them free and it does it's going to make them free. And it always does exactly the opposite. I mean, that's kind of, you know, to use the word, to say the word out loud, it's kind of satanic that there are certain things that offer you power. Anger makes you feel powerful. You know, that rage you feel against people. Thinking that you're totally free. Thinking that I can change my sex. I just have to announce it and I've changed my sex.

That sounds like power, but it actually enslaves you. To elaborate a little bit further is, you know, I had a conversation recently with someone who said that they were just a wet robot. That's all they were. Yes, yes. And I'm like, but why would you, what makes you, I don't understand why someone would believe that. The idea that I had was, you know, for me, I personally feel a soul or something akin to this idea or concept of an inner being, a self.

There's something within me. And I personally feel and have personally experienced some kind of, I guess you could say, a connection to God or something like that. If someone doesn't have that, I don't believe they're lying to me. I just said maybe they don't have a soul. Maybe they don't have that, I don't believe they're lying to me. I just said, maybe they don't have a soul. Maybe they don't have a connection. Although it is obvious that some people are better at this. They are born for it.

And Jesus says, one of the most painful things he says is to those who have, even more will be given. To those who have not, even what they have will be taken away. And I think that that's what he's talking about. That some people don't feel that connection

and some people just do. What really, really trips me out more than you know anything in terms like what i'll just put it this way having these conversations with like michael malice about dmt the the breaking through the veil meeting other people on the other side and those conversations i think at the very least open the door to someone should at least be agnostic i mean you've heard these conversations, I'd imagine. You know, Joe Rogan talks about it. We were talking to Michael Malice and he was telling us stories of meeting people on the other side, communicating and then coming back and being like, wow, how did we share these thoughts?

And I'm like, well, whatever it is, I don't know. But it certainly suggests there's something beyond us, right? And it's something weird. Actually, I knew a young woman who was a socialist and a materialist and she was about 40, I guess, and she died and came back. And I said, wow, did you experience anything? She said, yeah, I actually left my body, and I saw the doctors in the room. And I said, so has that changed your mind? No.

You go like, okay. You know, I mean, that's like knock yourself out. I think it was Aquinas who said to the believer, no explanation is necessary for the non-believer, no explanation is possible. Yes, yes. I mean, I wrote in my memoir that if you believe, everything is proof. If you don't believe, no proof can be enough. I think when you start to look at plasma clouds, I mean, it's almost undeniable that there's intelligence involved in the movement of plasma fields. Well, that is another thing.

I mean, the science actually, you know, it made sense for there to be atheists after Newton, you know, because you could kind of extrapolate, oh, everything's a machine. But it all turned out to be much weirder than Newton said. And now, really, there's a wonderful book about this called The Return of the God Hypothesis, where really it's not, you know, the title sounds like it's a hippy-dippy, like, religious thing, but it's a real scientific book about why scientists are now saying, you know, the title sounds like it's a hippy-dippy religious thing, but it's a real scientific book about why scientists are now saying, you know, there actually is evidence of an intelligence behind creation. To me, that's the only thing that makes sense. Well, I like to simplify it or at least explain it in sort of a way that I think most people who are secular liberal types should understand is if, uh, you know, we build computers, computers act based on the rules that exist in reality and

they, and they, you know, they, they imitate intelligence or at least we're producing artificial intelligence. Then for me, I don't believe that the computers we've, we've built are the, the, the, the final point at which computers can ever come to. Uh, but a better way to look at it is the human mind. If you are just a wet robot, well, then certainly the human brain isn't the end-all, be-all of computational power within a living being. Certainly there is the probability, based on the expanse of the universe and our scientific understanding, that there will be a more powerful intellect that exists beyond human

comprehension. It's interesting when, you know, C.S. Lewis had this great line. He said, even a determinist will ask you if you will please pass the salt, meaning he acknowledges that you have free will. We all know we have free will and we get talked out of it. And that would mean our entire experience of life is deception. And one of the things these poets were trying to say is, you know, your interior experience can be deceptive, but the very fact that it can be deceptive tells you that it can also be right.

And that there is a truth it can be deceiving you about. I think that the chemicals, like the bacteria that live on the food you eat, mind control us. They tell you, you want more of that. So you get these cravings. But when you fast, you strip away the lies and like the fakeness of being told the wrong thing and you start to see or at least experience the the real i i don't know how to describe it with human words yeah it's an energy field well i mean

it is it is we've all been in a kind of haze of of unknowing and delusion everybody's had that experience i mean a pretty girl only has to sit down next to you for you to experience some of it, you know, to just go into this kind of haze of lust, basically. So we all know that we can come out of that and be more realistic. So we must be moving towards something more real, you know? I just had a thought.

I was wondering, you know, I wonder if people who view themselves as atheists or what percentage of atheists have meditated or prayed. I would imagine it'd be relatively low in terms of praying, maybe a little bit higher in terms of meditation. But I'm wondering if a lot of people just don't try to have an internal experience or something. Just a thought, because I kind of feel like— No, I completely agree with this. Yeah.

Yeah. I grew up Catholic briefly and my family left the church and I've met a whole bunch of different people from all walks of life really stuck with me is there was – in terms of people who are spiritual, agnostic, or believed outright is that there was a desire to discover more. way was sort of determinist sort of absolute sort of we aren't going to know so i don't know what i can say to that as opposed to like you know the crazy people i know who go on spirit quests and go down to south america do ayahuasca and yeah the people who are seeking answers and trying to find things tend to be more spiritual or believe in my experience well you know antonin scalia the supreme court justice told a great story about right outside of washington in a church there was a statue of the virgin mary that began to or cry. I can't remember what it was. And he said, no reporter went out to cover the story. And I think that tells you something. I did a video a long time ago. It's

called Find God in 90 Days. I can't remember, 60 Days, whatever it was. And the idea was just go into a room by yourself where you can pray out loud for 15 minutes every day and see if you get an answer, you know, because you will. If you clear your mind, I told my lie. I had a bunch of lies and secrets that I kept my whole life. When I was 26, I decided what would Jesus do in this with this technology? He'd be honest. So I started making YouTube videos and telling people my secrets about my past. And it started to clear up my thoughts.

And I no longer got interrupted by randomness. I could ask questions to my consciousness and it would respond. And now with fasting, it does it even more clear. That's really interesting. That's a very, first of all, it's a very brave thing to do, but it is also, it's just incredibly true that if you let go of the lies, I mean, one of the things about Christianity is the first thing that happens, I converted at the age of 50, so I'm not, you know, I'm telling you something that really happens is that you suddenly think like, oh, I get it. I'm a worm, you know, I'm a schmuck. And then you're free, you know, you're free as you're, you're, you're forgiven, you're done. You got it. And you have that exact same kind of experience of liberation.

There was a, I look back on this moment in my life as, as just perfectly ironic or hilarious. When I was a teenager, I read that famous quote quote the only thing we know is that we know nothing or who said socrates and i remember thinking that and i'm a teenager and i'm like that's the stupidest thing i've ever and i was like i know tons of stuff and then i think i was like 10 years later i'm 25 and i'm like what no truer statement has ever been said. Shout out to Socrates. That's hysterical. Being an arrogant young kid, you know, and then thinking I was so smart and this great thinker was so dumb.

That's what it always, every now and again, I'd go to college and people would protest and they'd scream. And I just think, you know, you don't know anything. What are you screaming about? You know, I may be wrong, but you have no way of knowing. You're just too young. I'll tell you. And we'll jump into super chats in a second like we'll get to super chats it's just when we have people on this show and i'll say something passively about say you know joe biden's illicit dealings in ukraine and they'll say oh that's not true and then i'll be like allow me to go through every story every name every journalist every journalist, and I'm like, did you even Google

this? And they're like, no. I'm like, you don't even know, but you've taken a hard stance on this? That's just weird to me. But we do got to go to some kind of switch heads. Can I just mention one more thing? Yeah. So our conversation got interrupted or disjointed.

I think there are some things on just the Ten Commandments and the nature of spirituality that we might disagree about and can flesh out more, hopefully, on the after show, because I think that would be a fascinating discussion. I'm really enjoying hearing you talking about this and the way you articulate yourself on it. I will of course have to burn you with the steak. No, yeah, understandable. I get how it goes but it's worth a good conversation I suppose.

I'm related to the Salem witchcraft. The Putnams? Ann Putnam? I think she's in my answer. Are you saying you're the grandchild of the witches that couldn't burn Ian? Yes. We're going to go to Super Chats. Ladies and gentlemen if you have not already, you must smash that like button. We implore you. Do it for Ian. Thank you.

Smash the like button for Ian. Otherwise, he cries and Seamus gets angry. I'm going to do that anyway. I'm going to punch the walls because Ian's crying keeps me up. It's just – But don't forget to subscribe to the channel and head over to TimCast.com. We're going to have a members-only segment up at 11 p.m. for all of you. You won't want to miss it.

We're going to talk about some crazy stuff for sure. Life, the universe, the secrets and all that. But let's read some super chats. Here we go. Christopher Blakely says, have Ian check out Borafine. Oh yeah. Love your show. Watch everything. Thanks guys. It's like a boron graphene compound of some sort. It's massively awesome.

We got an important one from Pirate Taurus. He says, I saw my first chicken party today. Amazing. So you saw the chicken. I did. I was very impressed with the chickens. I actually saw the chickens having sex, which was probably the highlight of my week. Right.

Well, it doesn't seem consensual. I'm not going to make chicken jokes, but I could. For borphines and allotrope of boron, I don't think graphene's involved or carbon's involved at all. So we have 20,000 subscribers over at Chicken City. It's been a month. People love watching chickens and pets. People say they turn it on for their cats and their dogs when they're out, and the animals

just love watching the chickens. Oh, that's awesome. So we have a meter, and when people give $5 Super Chats, treats fall down from the sky egg, we call it. It drops treats. Once the meter hits $100, it will cue. Every five minutes, it will run a check. If the meter has reached $100, it plays dance music, and a bunch of treats start pouring out, and it screams, chicken party. That's great.

Yeah, I was talking to the guys with The Daily Wire, and I said, look, we do really stupid things here over at TimCast. I don't think any traditional media business would do this. But we're working on a commercial that I want to put on the networks, and I genuinely plan to have it run on Tucker Carlson. And I think – I've already talked to the ad people over at Tucker in the past, and they said, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's just you pay for it. We run the ad. As long as it's a legitimate business, we'll do it. So Chicken City makes money.

It's our second highest grossing show now. So we're going to – Is it really? I mean, because people give money for treats, in terms of, like, viewership and everything, it's relatively low. Right. But it's a business item. So we can have – you know, Pop Culture Crisis is doing really, really well

and getting tons of views, but it's ad revenue based. Maybe you should give them some treats. Oh, yeah. We'll do a pop culture live stream and we'll put the egg. Pop culture party! I think actually that would be funny to do.

As long as Brett gets up on the desk and dances. That's great, yeah. But it can't be mealworms that fall down. It's got to be like Reese's Pieces. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's raining candy on Brett. That'll be hilarious. Yeah, all right. It's got to be Reese's Pieces. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's raining candy on Brett. That'll be hilarious. Yeah, all right.

Let's read some more. All right. Mavro St. John says, As a member of the LDS Church, Utah being left-leaning is not at all surprising. They are the most left-leaning religious group. Look into it. Wow.

Wow. NOS says, Hey, it's my birthday today. I'm officially 21. Can I get a happy birthday? Love you guys. All you guys are heroes to me. Happy birthday, NOS says, hey, it's my birthday today. I'm officially 21. Can I get a happy birthday? Love you guys. All you guys are heroes to me. Happy birthday, NOS.

Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Big day. Big year for birthdays. Yeah, I know. I say that every year. Everyone's happy this year. It's crazy.

The Wrong Writer says, love Graf Ian's Freudian slip last night. He said, meta virgins. Also, shout out to Mythical Vigilante. He got me addicted to your show. He's a good musician. Check out his music. That's funny. I said meta virgins. Meta virgins is also very funny. All right. Raymond G. Stanley

Jr. says Seamus, the first Irish he him to be on IRL. Props. That's right. Those are my pronouns. Thank you for respecting them. That's correct. Yes. Christina H. says Daily Wire, please make the novel One Second After into a movie. God bless. What is that about? Do you know what that is? I don't know. One Second After.

What is this? Sam Spade says, I joined Clavanon. Clavanon. And feel better than I have in years. You can too, by the truth and beauty. Save the Clavanon. and feel better than I have in years. You can, too, by the truth and beauty, save the clavanon. That's right. Ryan Crabtree says,

Ian, read Ayn Rand nonfiction and other objectivists, such as Lennard Peikoff. Learn to distinguish between the metaphysical and the man-made. You're saying no, Andrew? Don't do it. Why would you think not to do it? Because I think Ayn Rand was, well, I really think she was a psychopath in some ways, but I think she was.

Based. Yeah. Based, no, I agree with you. No, she was A, a terrible novelist, and B, her philosophy is ridiculous. You make me want to read it even more now. When I was in my life. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Expose my brain. Yeah. No, read, what's The Fountainhead? When I was in my libertarian phase When I was in my libertarian phase, I was in my libertarian phase, and I purchased a copy of Atlas Shrugged. I just couldn't do it. I've noticed that reading and listening,

they write information on my brain differently. I feel like when I read something, it directly interfaces my brain with it. When I'm listening, I can kind of shut it out easier. Yeah, I guess so. I actually feel like I remember things when I listen a little better, but I love to read. I mean, I just love that because it's just direct communication with your head.

All right. Cyrus Nershel says, hey, Timcast was trying to find the Spin the UFO email, but couldn't find it anywhere. I've been in IT for 13 years and the DOD is active duty, government, civilian and contractor, but I would like to send in my resume if possible keep up the good work what is it spin the UFO gmail.com that's correct I have a lead on this down one second after this is about a man struggling to save his family in his small

North Carolina town after America loses a war interesting sends America back to the dark ages all right AC gaming says I think Elon Musk possibly bought stakes in Twitter based on him integrating it with Neuralink. My worry is governments will get their hands involved and leave backdoors to paralyze you in scenarios in people becoming fugitive. What are your guys' thoughts on this? Read the software code.

Are you going to join the metaverse? Are you going to get the Neuralink implant and plug your brain in? No. But, you know, if they're're good games i might go on you know but well you know you know what i i actually i'm not against the metaverse as a tool you know just like i'm not against the internet as a tool but i think everything can be used badly yeah and one getting getting an implant to like plug your brain yes and also being on it for more than like a half hour a day.

You know, I mean, just the idea that you're going to live on this thing is bad. But if you could, what's your favorite fictional, what's your favorite kind of fiction genre? The novel, you know. Sci-fi, fantasy? It would probably be mysteries. If you could plug in your brain and be the detective in the mystery, actually experiencing the crime and the villains, would you do it? I would do it for half an hour, you know, because I'd want to come back to real life because I think real life is really rewarding. But I mean, would you get the surgically implanted port so that you could do it? It's hard for me to imagine doing that, you know.

I've never – I remember taking a to get a a minor piece of plastic surgery and thinking i will never get elective surgery right i agree i i think in order for it to become feasible they'll need wireless yeah of some sort sure i put a plug in my ear you know like you put on a cap and then it broadcasts into your brain but i i unless we we start i i just i don't see surgical anything working for people because people don't like surgery. Not mainstream, yeah. It'll be for people that have already like spinal injuries and stuff that are willing to see if they can learn how to walk again. I mean maybe when they get to the point where Neuralink can actually put you in a universe and you can be a superhero, people might be willing to do it.

I don't know why you would do that if it's not real. I feel the same way about ayahuasca, by the way. If like you can take a drug that makes you see Mickey Mouse. That doesn't mean Mickey Mouse is real. If you take a drug that makes you see God, why would that be an experience? I think of it as like tuning the brain frequency to see what's already there. But are you? How do you know you are?

I don't know, but that's what it seems like. I'm not sure. The reason I said free the software code was because if we can free the software code of Twitter and of the neural net tool, then you can watch what it's doing algorithmically. Free software code being AGPL3 as the license. And then if people want to take it and make a better version, that will also be AGPL3. You'll be able to witness it. So when the government comes in and tries to steal data, you'll see the algorithm where it's giving the data and what's being given. That's an interesting idea.

All right. Richard says, Tim, you often say people are cowards. Klavan came out as conservative and lost millions from Hollywood. Klavan didn't have support then, but with Daily Wire and TimCast coming together, y'all are the future.

Well, we've been talking to Daily Wire about shows. We had Dallas Saunier. Saunier, is that how you pronounce it? Saunier, yeah. Saunier. I love that guy. And he was like, we'd love to do some kind of show with you guys because it would be such a powerful thing.

And I'm like, we got a bunch of ideas for shows we're trying to make. Yeah. That'd be absolutely fantastic. So, Andrew, what was it like breaking out of Hollywood? What was that like? I was thrown out of Hollywood. I mean, breaking out. No, you know, my salary,

my income went from high six and seven figures to nothing almost overnight when I came out as a conservative. I mean, my phone stopped ringing like that. And, you know, I was not a big deal, but I was selling scripts routinely and if you sell two scripts, three scripts

a year, which I sometimes did, you're making a lot of dough, you know, and it's just, I don't know. Funnily enough, it didn't bother me. I mean, obviously, it bothered me economically. I had to sell my house and things like that. But it didn't bother me emotionally because I thought, I'm not going to live my life not saying what I mean because some fat jackass doesn't like it. What kind of life would that be? You should write that metaverse story.

Now you gave it to me. I'm stealing it, of course. I was writing it during the show. We'll sign a deal. I looked over his shoulder. There's a lot of grammatical errors. I can't believe that this guy was in Hollywood for so long. Are you sure it was the conservatism?

All right, here we go. Colin Stevens says, Tim, Thomas Sowell vehemently disagrees about systemic racism existing. Perhaps you should get him on to have this conversation. Of course we should. Oh, would it not be amazing? I mean, he is the smartest man in the country. But I'll clarify my point

because I think there may be a semantic issue. When I say systemic racism, what I'm referring to is because of things like blockbusting and redlining, you now have deeply impoverished areas in Chicago. That makes it very difficult for the people who live there to transfer wealth to their kids because homeownership is one of the principal ways by which the middle class transfers wealth to their children. Yeah, but why is it that other – I mean everybody who came here got nailed in some way. I mean – Well, this here got nailed in some way. Well, this is going on until the 80s.

Right. So I'm not saying that. I'm actually not sure of that. It is. The New York Times, oddly enough, did a piece about how some of what was called redlining was actually just economic reality. Like people didn't want to give loans to people who weren't going to pay them back. Blockbusting was happening until it was made illegal. You know what blockbusting was?

Yeah. That really messed up. And the reality is... Well, nobody's going to argue about there was racism in this country. Right, right, right. But the market's still racist. So let me ask you, I mean, in all honesty, if

a black family moved into a neighborhood, what is your expectation of property? Well, wait, wait, wait a minute, though. You should read Helen Andrews on this. She wrote a book called Boomers is really interesting on this. If a black doctor moved into my neighborhood, I don't think anybody would notice. You know, I mean, I literally think that would be like, you know, come on over, you know, for lunch, if like, you know, a bad guy moved in or somebody who was not, did not fit in that neighborhood economically or in terms of class, then you'd have a problem.

I mean, people, you know, Helen's argument is that there was no white flight. There was flight from crime. And in a lot of times, you know, when neighborhoods changed over, they became more criminal and people left, you know. So I don't know. Like I said, if, you, if Sidney Poitier moves in next door, is anybody going to leave? Well, so my view on this is it's a class-based issue today. It was racial before. No question. So when I refer to systemic racism, I just mean

that in the past several decades, there were overtly racist policies that made it harder for the black community and other racial minorities to transfer wealth. And now they're disproportionately impoverished based on those things, even though it's a class issue today. But again, that happened to other races. And once it was stopped, they rose very quickly. I really do believe if the Democrats

would just stop helping black people, they would get out of office. I don't know if they're trying to help. No, they're not. I genuinely, I mean, look, being from Chicago, seeing that Democrat rule has done, it's been a disaster. Unemployment insurance is insane.

You can't get a job or you lose it. So it's enticing people to not work. That's crazy. And you know, that was the other thing. Clinton's welfare reform really was great. It actually helped people get jobs and then Obama gutted it. Robbie Hammer says, come on, Tim.

Being poor isn't an excuse to commit violent crime against another human. It is 100% a cultural issue. Andrew was spot on. I don't disagree. I think if people are growing up in poor, broken communities, they're more likely to have a bad culture than people who are growing up. Yeah, that's absolutely true. So, you know i i think

there's great nuance to this but i certainly think culture plays a very serious role for sure all right let's grab some more superchats let's see sliver box slips says i think there's systemic racism in old unused laws none are practiced now We still have laws that allow loving on goats, and men are allowed to hit their wives Sundays on the courthouse steps. Is that true? It can't be true. I just learned today that in Virginia, two years ago, they made it legal to have sex before marriage.

So some laws are on the books that nobody pays attention to. I've often said the laws don't matter. What matters is cultural enforcement. That's right. That's right. The best example that I think people should really ponder on is in New York City, gender identity is defined as self-expression in the actual laws, which means your self-expression could be a furry.

But I was told by civil rights lawyers, three different ones, when I investigated this, that if you tried claiming a furry as your identity and you wore the outfit and you used the name, you'd be laughed out of the courtroom. But I said then if the law says you can't be discriminated based on the clothes you wear, the name you give yourself, or your self-expression, why is it different for a furry and a transgender person? And they said because most people understand what different for a furry and a transgender person? And they said, because most people understand what gender dysphoria is in a trans person and furries would not be considered serious. And I said, that's a cultural issue, not a legal distinction.

So it's really about cultural enforcement and what our culture is willing to tolerate. That's one of the problems, like when the Supreme Court had that ruling that laws protecting people against sex discrimination covered transgenderism. Because if you walk into work in a dress, you're essentially being penalized for being a man.

That to me was absurd. That was not what they meant when they wrote the law. You know, you may want to make that law, but it's still not what they meant. Cigars and Cig Arms says, Let's stop pretending that conservatives are blameless on the problem of black men filling our prisons. They have consistently refused to call out bad cops, push for criminal justice reform, and cheer on police brutality. Nah. You disagree? Nah, yeah.

I mean, nobody cheers on police brutality. I think the problem is the media lies so often about all these police brutality stories. It's more that the conservatives just don't care to believe it anymore. Yeah. Or that the conservatives just don't care to believe it anymore. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I do think that when you're a bad guy and you resist arrest and you get killed, it's true that even if the cop did it wrong, which I do think happened with Floyd, I still think I don't have that much sympathy for you. You're still a guy who held a gun to a pregnant woman while your friends ransacked her house. You know, you're not my favorite guy.'m sorry you know it's like i'm telling bad cops i i think the the the issue for me is these cities have a bunch of democrats who vote for democrats who appoint democrat police leadership who are crooked and corrupt and then the democrats complain about

the people that they voted for yeah you don't hear you don't hear about these these these problems in mostly conservative rural areas. It is amazing that in San Francisco, where I lived many, many years ago, and it was one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been in, it's now a hellhole. It's amazing to me, A, that Republicans don't run, mount a campaign that would appeal to San Franciscans, and B, that San Franciscans don't say,

you know what, we keep electing the same party and things get worse and worse and worse. Maybe we should change parties. There's a stigma that Republicans are anti-gay. Well, where did that come from? You know, it's like. Is it seeded propaganda or did they used to be? No, I think. No, I think the the after Reagan, there was a coalition of conservatives, some of whom were evangelical and they were very strongly anti-gay.

You know, they're very strongly felt that this was a bad thing biblically, and they couldn't defend it in law. They couldn't say to themselves, well, this may be a sin, but that's between them and God, or, you know, they just couldn't get there. It was very, very much, you know, in keeping with their religion and their way of life. I remember when I first became a conservative, which is now back around 2000,

and Andrew Breitbart said to me, I want you to become part of this movement. And I said, I'm going to become part of the movement, but I don't want to hear about the gay stuff because we're wrong. We're just wrong about it. You've got to let people live their lives. I don't know how much I can say on the air here,

like what your standards and practices are. But Andrews' response was basically, I want there to be more pro-American gay pornography. That was it. Yeah, I would disagree. I think that what basically happened is you had a lot of Christian conservatives, and not just Christian conservatives,

but most of the country at the time, which was saying that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman and federally funded marriage contract shouldn't change that definition because it's not within the purview of the government and so what the left said as a result of that and in response to that was the only explanation for that attitude is hating gay people there's that too all right nick says andrew should listen to tom mcdonald especially in god we trust have you ever heard Tom MacDonald? No. Has he ever listened to Frank Sinatra? Damn it.

But are you familiar with Tom MacDonald? No. Oh, regardless of the music, you'd love his message. Okay. Well, listen, I love Zuby. You know, Zuby's the greatest. You know, I mean,

who can't love that guy? Doesn't Tom have a song called Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings? I think so. Sounds right. Oh, yes, I did hear that. Yeah, we all got to be glad. But does he rap as fast

as Ben Shapiro would on that track? I got to be honest, I think Ben could probably rap faster than most rappers. Has anybody ever heard him do rap? Exactly.

It was going to be the pinnacle of his career. This is actually why everyone should be, everyone's mad at Ben Shapiro for not liking hip-hop. They should be very glad because he would dominate the game.

He'd be the best freestyle rapper. And he could do all playing the violin. It would be huge. He'd crush. All right. Jacob Manning says, I'm not one to give away my hard-earned money, but Tim, since you brought the other half of the first two people that woke up to reality, I'll make an exception. Thank you both for what you do and helping me laugh my way through the fall of the first two people that woke him to reality. I'll make an exception. Thank you both for what you do and helping me laugh my way

through the fall of the Republic. Well, thank you very much, Jacob. I really appreciate it. Dylan says, classic rap has a lot of libertarian messaging. It does, absolutely. That's true. Hey, you know,

Trump used to be a hero of rappers. I mean, he was in a lot of songs. J.T. Reid says, Andrew, have you heard Tom McDonald's song Blame the Rappers? It goes into how modern rap is responsible for the degeneration of today's youth.

Adam Calhoun raps about how hard work got him to his success. Ryan Upchurch raps about his life in Tennessee. Very good stuff. All right. Not Really Me says,

Charlie Daniels, late 70ss long-haired country boy well all right glenn says the best love song do you remember love from macross the movie do you remember love not familiar with it man is everybody just saying the songs they really like i guess that's what's going on what's the best song song? Super chat it right now. Yeah, tell us. Yeah, super chat the best song. Give us money to say what the best song is. Yes. If you can afford it. All right.

What is this? What is this? Simulated Dave says, Tim, if you're serious about DW Entertainment envy, I'd love to discuss my short film, Crit, from 2020, exploring the signatories of the Polanski petition, hoping to encourage

conviction in withholding cash from hollywood interesting you can always email spin the ufo at gmail.com it's the easiest way for like this one specifically for people who are watching the show and there's something specific we want to message like on our website we have emails you can you can message but that's that's the one that during the show we remember to check out orange red says if you like andrew subscribe to the daily wire we are big fans of the daily wire that's correct i'm excited about the work they're doing all right gabe says sorry about my name i don't understand why uh oh oh i see i see his whole name wow that's too bad that's pretty bad why do you guys his last name is itch yeah

why do you guys think that actual good trustworthy people people who could win elections, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, et cetera, won't run? The it's too much criticism argument is selfish to me in such an important time. I think for, like, Jordan Peterson, he's Canadian. Right. I mean, I guess he could run in Canada. I can do whatever I want. I actually heard him say he thought he could do more good outside of that system. Exactly.

That's what I was going to say. I mean, do you really think Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson would do more good for the world in some political position? Think about how much they're helping people right now doing what they're currently doing. They're clearly very good at it. Why would you take them and shoehorn them into some position that the most pathetic people in our society usually fill? And also, you know, actually doing politics is a skill. You know, it doesn't mean they just because like they're brilliant people doesn't mean they have it. Yeah.

I mean, I would people have asked me, why don't you run for something? I'm the last person who should run for something. I can't balance my checkbook. If I weren't married, I'd be living in a dumpster. You know. All right. Dwayne says, if God created the universe, he would have to exist outside it. Those seeking proof assume that he would be bound, if God created the universe, he would have to exist outside it.

Those seeking proof assume that he would be bound by the laws of the universe. Computer programmers aren't limited by their own code. Brilliant point. But God is not limited, so God could exist within the universe it created. And I don't like calling it he either because I think that's patriarchy. No, no, no. Ian, here we go. No, he isn't.

There's not enough time left to argue with that. Let's talk about it on the after show. He is a he. And it has a long way to go. His preferred pronouns. You have to respect them. Let's talk about it on the after show. He is a he. And it has a long way to go. His preferred pronouns. You have to respect them. Let's actually save this for the after show. We'll have a great conversation. I think it'll be fun.

We'll have more time. So let's just read a few more of these super chats and name some of the best songs. M169 says, best song is The Greatest Show on Earth by Nightwish. Thank you. Totally Wasn't My Fault says, staying alive by the Bee Gees. Oh, yeah. I say love. Totally Wasn't My Fault says, Staying Alive by the Bee Gees. Oh, yeah. I'm staying alive. Sam Ard says, Best Libertarian Death Metal Record Ever is 1776 by King Conquer.

Their bassist just passed away. Rest in peace. Oh, bro. Seth Klein says, So glad to hear you bring up Handlebars by Flowbots. It depicts current reality perfectly. You see, Andrew, in the song Handlebars by Flowbots, in the music video at the end, there's a guy challenging an authoritarian regime. And all of the jackboot cops banging their shields have Black Lives Matter on their shields. Really?

And the song's from – because it's the communist fist, it's the Red Salute. But the song is from, I think, like, what is it, 13 years ago or something? Yeah, some quite a while ago. 14 years ago. So they make this song, and the bad guys have the communist fist, which is now the BLM fist, and they're killing people, and that's basically what the song is saying, that these people are like, I can do whatever I want. No one can stop me.

Since everybody's telling me what rap music is, I want to tell you what to listen to. You should go out and get two albums, if that's what they call them. One is Ella and Louie, and the other is Ella and Louie again. Best pop records ever made. You know my thing is though, I like music for me. I love political music.

Do you? Okay. So there's some pop songs I might be like, oh yeah, sure, it's fun to play. But I really do like songs that have a message. So I do like, you know,

I've always been critical my whole life of music that was meaningless. I grew up listening to a lot of punk stuff. Okay. And that started with pop punk. And then I listened to more like actual punk stuff and then started listening to more like independent music and things like that.

But, uh, I like, I like songs with meaning, uh, nothing really in between either just a silly boppy, whatever, or it's going to be something.

So like all the stuff that I write has deeper meaning, all the songs that I put together that we're working on. Will of the People. Has anyone said yet Will of the People? Yes, that's right. Will of the People is the greatest song ever. That's my song. Tim actually super chatted that in himself.

Will of the People, you guys gotta listen to that one. That was Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Thank you, Raymond. It's right. That says Raymond G. Stanley Jr. Thank you, Raymond. It's right. That says Pym Tool on it. Oh, here's a good idea. Brayden says, y'all should have all guests roll the 100 die and rank them all on a leaderboard, almost like old Top Gear Celebrity Racetrack laps.

That's a good idea. Here you go, Andrew. All right. 100-sided die. So what am I doing here? Just roll it. Just roll it. And there it goes.

We have to windshot on this? And no. How do you know what it is? It's on the top. Oh, it's on the top. 33. Oh, that's my number. Big number.

I rolled a 100. Oh. Yeah, that was hard. That was hard. That was Biden's during his campaign speech. Oh, yeah, yeah. Was that when Lorne was drunk? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, that was fun. All right, everybody. If you haven't already. Was that when Lorne was drunk? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was fun. All right, everybody. If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends. And if you want to hear a discussion about religion, spirituality, philosophy, and all of that crazy moral and ethical stuff, we're going to get into that in the after show over at TimCast.com. So sign up, become a member. We greatly appreciate your support. Share the show if you really do like our work. You can follow us at TimCastIRL basically everywhere.

You can follow me at TimCast. Andrew, do you want to shout anything out? The truth and beauty, you know, you should pick it up. It actually, it's not written for people who like poetry. It's just written for people who want to look at the world a different way. Cool. You know what? I usually plug Freedom Tunes.

Got to plug something else, though. I'll plug Freedom Tunes as well. Go check that out. Earlier, I made a dig at televangelists. Mostly not a fan, but there are some great ones, like the original televangelist, Fulton Sheen. I'm going to shout him out. Go check out some Bishop Fulton Sheen videos.

They're incredible. What's the best place for people to get your book right now? Amazon is always helpful because it rises up the ranks when you buy it, and that's good for me. And I want to shout out your Twitter, too. Andrew Claven on Twitter. All right. Thanks for coming, man.

Great to meet you. It's a pleasure. It's really nice meeting you guys. Ian Crossland. Catch you guys later. And you guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patch Lids, as well as SourPatchLids.me. We will see you all at TimCast.com in just about an hour or so. Thanks for hanging out.

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