Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #512 - WaPo OUTRIGHT LIES, Denies Doxxing Leftist Critic LibsOfTikTok w/Jack Posobiec

Episode Date: April 20, 2022

Tim, Ian, Seamus of FreedomToons, and Lydia join Jack Posobiec to discuss the Washington Post reporter who doxxed the Libs of TikTok Twitter account owner, Jon Stewart's new show tanking as he goes wo...ke, CNN+ floundering, Jack Dorsey's startling revelation that he watched CNN foment unrest in Ferguson, Netflix shares crashing, and Ethan Klein's comeuppance with the woke mob. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The big news today is that a reporter for the Washington Post has doxxed the creator behind the popular Twitter account Libs of TikTok. This is an account that criticizes the left and often highlights publicly available posts from these people. It's really interesting that this is considered a bad thing. Like somebody posts a video on TikTok, somebody else shares it, and they're like, stop sharing it. It's like you meant for it to be shared. You posted on social media. The interesting thing about the story is that shortly after it was published, there was a major backlash among many on the right, because not only was the name of the person who created the account published,
Starting point is 00:00:34 but also their private home address. Now there's a lot to get into, into the nuance of what that means, but we here at Tim cast are great reporters dug through some public records. And sure enough, the address that they, they linked to was listed as the private residence of the creator of Libs of TikTok. There is a lot to go through there. So let me just stress that there's more nuance, more context. The Washington Post came out not too long ago, a couple hours ago, I think, saying we never link to any of their private details, which is the craziest and boldest outright
Starting point is 00:01:04 lie because we have the archival article and it's got the link. I can click the link and show you the address. I'm not going to, but it's remarkable that they think they can just outright lie like this. So, you know, we're talking about, you know, the media is dying. CNN plus latest update there. They laid off CNN CFOs laid off their discovery. Apparently apparently is like, this is a flop. Netflix just tanked like, what, 25% in their stock. What else do we got? We got Jon Stewart's new show, 40,000 viewers. And here's the best part. Not even viewers.
Starting point is 00:01:36 They called it homes. Homes. That means like literally no one might be watching Jon Stewart's show. Get what go broke, man. So we got that. We've got also in the media an ethics complaint potentially against Jen Psaki
Starting point is 00:01:49 because she's disparaging Fox News while negotiating a contract with MSNBC. Really interesting media stuff here. And then we got some other stuff related to Black Lives Matter. They're accused of what being the reason behind a major spike in murders or something like that.
Starting point is 00:02:02 So we'll talk about all that. Plus Joe Biden has apparently announced he's going to be running again. It's going to be a wild show. We have a lot to talk about with The Washington Post doxing. This is reporter Taylor Lorenz. Yes, she literally doxed somebody, and it's considered very hypocritical because she recently has said doxing is wrong.
Starting point is 00:02:20 So we'll get into the nuance of this. Joining us today is, of course, Jack Posobiec. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard tonight's edition of TimCast. Promoting your new book, I see. Promoting my new book. This new book is called By Pillow. And it is written by By Pillow in conjunction with promo code postofmypillow.com. And essentially, it's just every word on the first page on the left, it says by.
Starting point is 00:02:44 And on the right, it says pillow all the way through the book. Is this like your new catchphrase? Buy pillow. It is pretty good. Buy pillow, Tim. What's the plot of the book? It's an epic saga. I don't know, man. It put me to sleep.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Wow. As intended. The book itself actually is a pillow. It's a pillow. The book itself actually functions. Seamus, I'm back. It was a wonderful Easter weekend for me. It's great to be back and see all you people on this side of today's show. I conspire to too.
Starting point is 00:03:15 What's up, everybody? Although I do disagree the media is dying, I think it's transmuting into what we have here and now. We mean the corporate press. Metastasize. I agree with you there. Metastasize. I agree with you there. But I got to say, tonight is the night. The official announcement of the theory of the twisting universe. Up to this point, people have believed that the universe is expanding.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I think there's better evidence to show that it's actually twisting around on itself. Did you make this up? It came to me in a dream, my man. I've been thinking about this a lot over the last six months. And I had a conversation with Michael Malice yesterday that really kind of nailed some pieces in. So I brought a graphic. I'm going to talk about it later in the show. Were you high?
Starting point is 00:03:51 I don't think so. Well, I mean, I kind of always am. I think it stays in your fat for years or something. All right. Well, we'll talk about that. What's it got, Lydia? Press the button. I am pressing buttons.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I'm very excited to hear about the Twisting Universe theory. I'm curious if it aligns with our Donut Earth theory. That's very good. Earth is both hollow and flat. That's right. So what you're saying is the makers of Twister were onto something.
Starting point is 00:04:10 They were tapping into the very fabric of space-time. Oh, you're ripping me apart with your ideas. There you go. All right. Right foot red. Let's stop having fun
Starting point is 00:04:20 and talk about serious stuff, I guess. No, I'm kidding. We'll have fun. Before we get started, my friends, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, because we are going to have a members-only segment coming up for you just after the show. But more importantly, as a member, you are funding the reporting we do.
Starting point is 00:04:34 And this morning, this is a big part of the story, this morning, when the story came out, the narrative among journalists and politicos and commentators was that this reporter from the Washington Post had revealed the name of this creator. Of course, the original article actually did dox the address of the creator. We did some digging here at TimCast.com and found through public record searches. I wouldn't call it difficult, but I wouldn't call it easy. There's easy public record search, then there's medium, a little bit more than normal. But we did discover that the address they posted and then quickly removed was the private home address of
Starting point is 00:05:07 the creator. I bring this up now because we're going to get into it. But if you really do respect the reporting we're doing and challenging the lies and the manipulations, then we need your support as members because that's how we fund our reporters. And we have on the ground reporters. We do not sell stories. We don't make money off the stories. We cross our fingers and hope that you believe in us enough and respect the news that we report so that you'll become a member and help us make more. It's a pay what you will model, and it's a risky business model, but I think it's the right business model because I don't want to hide important information or put explosive details like this behind paywalls. So we just do bonus segments as a sort
Starting point is 00:05:43 of, you know, extra. So become a member. Don't forget to smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show. We're already, we already have more daily active users on CNN, but alas, it is now being reported that CNN actually does have 150,000 subscribers. So they're definitely bigger than us, but with your help sharing this video, we'll be bigger than them at that point as well. Let's read this first story from Timcast.com. Washington Post publishes home address of popular critic of left libs of TikTok. Reporter Taylor Lorenz has previously claimed to suffer from PTSD from being doxxed in a similar way. Now, I want to show you a little bit here, and I got to explain a lot of the nuance.
Starting point is 00:06:19 All right. They say an article by a technology report at the Washington Post provided the home address of the creator of the lis of TikTok Twitter account. In an article meant to expose the person behind the popular account, reporter Taylor Lorenz linked to a critical piece of information that disclosed the private home address of the person running Libs of TikTok. After the ensuing backlash, the post removed the link. Timcast confirmed that the address published is documented as the creator's private home address. Now, I will say we were all in the newsroom going over this, investigating details. Everybody kind of contributed to working on this story.
Starting point is 00:06:53 And we did end up pulling public records, which confirmed the original story published by The Washington Post contained a link to two different links to two addresses. One address was the address of the creator of Libs of TikTok. The other address was the address of family members. Now, here's the challenge. If I pull up the archive to prove they're lying about this, it will expose the name of the creator of Libs of TikTok, which I don't want to do. Well, I suppose we have no choice. Well, it's kind of like showing cuties to talk about how bad cuties is. No, look. The Washington Post published a lie.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Should we show their lie and prove them lying? I don't think we should show the address. I think you can show. No, not the address. No, no, no. You can show the. Oh, wait. Is it in the screenshot?
Starting point is 00:07:36 In the tweet from the Washington Post where they lie. Right. They use the name of the creator of Libs of TikTok. Right. And they're in lies. That's a tough one. You can at least show the, I believe the screenshot of the original of libs of tiktok right and they're in that's a tough you can at least show the i believe the screenshot of the original article which shows the hyperlink it shows it still is the name there see they put the name every they put the name everywhere i
Starting point is 00:07:54 think this is on purpose by the way i think i think it's by design i think it's silly for us at this point to be like people can't find the name yeah exactly anybody anybody can look at my twitter account right now and washington post is i think we don't need to show it. People believe us. If you really don't believe us, go search for it yourself. I think we're being ridiculous at this point to be like, oh, we're not going to say the name, even though literally it's all over Twitter everywhere. It's trending.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Well, even Steven Crowder mentioned it. The Eric Caramella of the right. Crowder did say the name of the creator. Yeah, he did. Well, then we're going to go with it. Yeah, it shouldn't be an issue. So we have this from Christine Karate Kelly. Statement from Cameron Barr re-reporting from Taylor Lorenz.
Starting point is 00:08:33 They said, Taylor Lorenz is an accomplished and diligent journalist whose reporting methods comport entirely with the Washington Post's professional standards. Chaya Raichat, in her management of the Libs of TikTok Twitter account and in media interviews, has had significant impact on public discourse and her identity had become public knowledge on social media. We did not publish or link to any details about her personal life. Cameron Barr, senior managing editor of the Washington Post. Tim Pool can confirm that is a lie.
Starting point is 00:09:02 I tweeted, this is the game they play. Effing evil people as evil as they come. There's the archive. There's your proof. Sorry to libs of TikTok for dealing with this, but WAPO needs to be exposed and proven to be liars. Here is the archive of the first version of their story. And I'm going to read it.
Starting point is 00:09:18 It is archive.ph slash capital B, lowercase e, capital V. I believe it's an L, lowercase l, and lowercase o. And they linked to right here. If I click that right now, it will show you the address of Libs of TikTok. We pulled up public records. It was a paid public records search, a little bit deeper than you normally go, and confirmed this is documented as the private home residence of the creator of Libs of TikTok.
Starting point is 00:09:45 I apologize that we've come to this point. We had deep ethical conundrums and debates in the newsroom about whether or not we expose the Washington Post for having done this, because we're effectively amplifying their docs by doing so. But I said, anything that happens at this point is on the Washington Post. Anything bad that happens is on them. And we need to call it out because if we say nothing, they are not held to account for having done it. That being said, it is possible. This is no longer the current address of the individual. There's other issues at play. But they also published another address, which is the, we believe, based on the reporting that that we've done is the family address of the individual now you're crossing the line for what reason did they have to do that now i
Starting point is 00:10:31 reached out to taylor lorenz and said we can confirm you published the private home address of the creator of libs of tiktok do you have a comment to which she responded i did not so she's saying she posted a link to it and that's the hill they're gonna die on it's not they're saying it's not the same that all show was i did not no no no because in the statement it says link right it says we did not link to so in the statement so in the statement from taylor to you she's saying i did not publish in the statement from the washington post which came out like 12 hours after the actual article itself went live, they claim they did not link. After they themselves positively went into the archive, removed the link, which we can only now see in the archive version. That's right.
Starting point is 00:11:15 So they're lying about doing it. Taylor is lying about doing it. I suppose her only argument is that she doesn't believe it's the private home address. But I'm sorry. How would she know that? Did she actually, I asked her, I didn't just ask, you know, why did you do this? I sent a comment and because I gotta be honest, I'll give Taylor this respect. She responds.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Every time there's been an issue, she's responded. She's actually corrected things before. So I can respect that. And I said, we're going to be publishing the story. I can confirm you published the private home address of the creator of Libs of TikTok. I asked respect that. And I said, we're going to be publishing the story. I can confirm you published the private home address of the creator of Libs of TikTok. I asked two questions. Why was the link removed? And did you check the address in the link you posted before publishing it? And her response was, I did not publish the private home address and then directed me to
Starting point is 00:12:01 Washington Post PR. If that's the only thing she has to say, I can only respond with, that is an incorrect statement, outright falsifiable, because I'm not going to publish the documents that we have because it's a paid search. You can dig up public records that are not... I'll put it this way. It's publicly available,
Starting point is 00:12:19 but it's through a paid investigative service to get these records. You'd have to go and physically like ask and do something. Like go to the county or something. We got them. We're not going to publish them. But I can say as a statement of fact, Washington Post did publish the private home fact that Libs, I guess, was a real estate salesperson and that this was the registered address of her as a business entity working in real estate sales. And so Taylor's trying to hide behind that.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Is that the idea? Even if that's the case, what is the good in publishing that? Why would you have any reason to do so in order to do an expose on somebody? Well, it's at the very least. I'm just trying to understand the argument. I want to make sure we get to the real nuance here, the real context. The link they published was a real estate license, which had the address of an LLC.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Right. However, the address used by the LLC is actually a split building with, with multiple apartments and a storefront on Google maps. The storefront is a salon. So I said, okay, well, wait a minute. It is common for people to use their own address for their LLCs. Yeah, all the time. Regardless of whatever reason, I have no idea why there's other employees listed within
Starting point is 00:13:31 the LLC at that address. We did the record search and it is listed in public records as a private residence of this individual. So that's on the Washington Post. If they would like to explain that, feel free to. As it stands right now, we pulled public records. It's a private home address and they published the address. Anyone else can do it. And anything that happens at this point is on the Washington Post for doing it. I've got to point out some, I guess, nuance because posting something and posting a link to
Starting point is 00:14:00 something are different as a social media administrator. And if someone posts something illegal, they go to jail. If someone posts a link to it, they're allowed to. Not true. Well, it is as an admin. You don't, you remove the original piece, but you don't hammer everyone that retweeted it. That's insane. We're not talking about sharing a post. We're talking about them taking the link to the address and putting it in the article. Was this not already public information? So the name of the individual is not public. So they put some pieces together. So if no one knows the name of the person, then it doesn't matter what is public.
Starting point is 00:14:34 If you then say, here's their name and here's a link to their address, you've doxed them, you've published your address. And I got to be honest, that is the nuclear bomb of doxing. They're trying to argue this is not doxing. When you post their name and then with a link next to it saying here's their home address you've doxed is that illegal no no maybe it should be in the 21st century free speech the the thing that the thing that i think we do need to add though is that the washington post is not the one that did all this work and taylor lorenz is not certainly not the one who did all this work she's piggybacking off of work
Starting point is 00:15:06 that was done by pro-Antifa accounts over the weekend. People that have been doxing online accounts on the right and conservatives for years with ongoing harassment campaigns, some of which, by the way, we're starting to hear may receive foreign government funding.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Well, what I can't, what I, what I, what I can say is what is, what is very much ignored by this is that Taylor Lorenz did receive information from activists, published it as if it was her story and use the, the Washington post Matthew Iglesias of voox.com, which is a left-wing publication. He's no longer with them anymore, but this is, he's one of the founders. He started it, but then he left, yeah. He said, he had a great take. He said, this article is basically framed
Starting point is 00:15:54 as libs of TikTok bad, but then it provides you with no real thesis or argument as to why that's the case. There's no story. It's basically, it is activism masquerading as news yes yeah there is no story he said it turns out the crux of the story who is this person turns out she's a random crank of no of you know no public notoriety so why was that relevant this is um do you remember when they doxed when uh i think it was busby doxed harvey donkham oh and and they said oh the pro
Starting point is 00:16:22 trump meme maker and they found that he's a stay-at-home father of four who lives in Kansas City. He's just like a regular guy who raises his kids and makes memes. As opposed to Seamus, who raises other people's children. What? Thank you, by the way, for that. You lift them up, Seamus. What do you mean? All the children of Earth.
Starting point is 00:16:41 I got to pull something up real quick. When you go to the SPJ ethics code, and I think I'm going to have to shrink this so you can see it. There we go. You can see minimize harm in large black bold letters. And it says, recognize that legal access to information differs from an ethical justification to publish or broadcast it. Here we go. This is the Society for Professional Journalists' Standard of Ethics.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Now, there's others. There's Reuters. I think the AP has theirs, but this is SPJ, which is what they teach you in schools. And the point being brought up here is you minimize harm. Within minimize harm, they literally say just because information may be public or you have legal access to it doesn't mean you should broadcast it which is the challenge we had in our newsroom because we're like we can confirm this is a private home address but do we do we push that up because that'll that'll that'll
Starting point is 00:17:34 potentially cause harm you know this is the it was real quick it was a coin toss for us we ultimately decided that the public's right to know what major corporations are doing with the power of billionaires outweighed the potential harms because the harm of not exposing this was greater than the harms to the individual. So with that, you know, I apologize to Libs of TikTok for being caught up in this, but we are not the ones who posted the address. It's a tough one because do you expose Medusa to the crowd to show them that it's Medusa? Because if they see it, they'll turn to stone. Well, I mean mean and what are
Starting point is 00:18:05 they exposing this person makes videos on the internet that make fun of other people in fact they're not even doing that they're just posting other things that people have said which were already ridiculous in and of themselves there would be a story left things there would be a story if there were some i don't know funded effort behind this that was being obfuscated or if there were some nefarious organization behind the lips, something like that. But there's no story here. There's no story whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:18:29 This is the point I brought up earlier. What is served by saying the two words that is the private name of the individual? Nothing. Now, the story could be the person running the account was at January 6th, as reported. I think that's new. I think it's relevant. Interesting. What are the motivations of this person?
Starting point is 00:18:47 Right. The opinions of the individual. Also, oh, okay, so this person also said these things. That's relevant. But you can tell that story without saying their name. Saying the name only serves to maximize potential harm. Well, so what I was going to say, this is the opposite argument that you hear in, that came up in the Katonji Brown Jackson hearings when she was talking about some of the decisions
Starting point is 00:19:12 in an article she had written when she was in law school regarding sex offender registries. And the idea being that if you make a mistake once in your life, it shouldn't follow you for the rest of your life forever. So the idea was to minimize harm to potential sex offender or to convicted sex offenders that over time you would be able to reduce the amount of time essentially that you would appear in the registry. That's the exact argument that that was being made for sex offenders, right? Versus this one, which is minimize harm completely for just the subjects of journalism. So Taylor Lenz, right, is maximizing harm to someone who runs an aggregator of, again, public videos that are already out there, videos, again, that are made to be shared. And obviously, it's not hypocrisy,
Starting point is 00:19:59 it's hierarchy. That's kind of the main thing, the main thrust of all this. Because we can say all day long that, oh, it's hypocrisy, You're doing, you're exposing, you're writing, you're doing all this stuff, but it's not hypocrisy. It's hierarchy. They're allowed to do it. Taylor Lorenz is allowed to do it because she is of the anointed class. She is of the upper class. She is of the aristocracy. And the fact of the matter is that because Libs of TikTok was not anointed, she didn't go to the right school. She didn't get the right credentials. She was doing this unauthorized. Then she's not allowed to. Because keep in mind, Taylor Lorenz used to be a TikTok journalist herself. And she would go in specifically posting videos from Kellyanne
Starting point is 00:20:39 Conway's 13-year-old daughter and all sorts of other people across TikTok and Instagram. And she was doxing Pamela Geller's daughters at the same time. This is what she did. And at the end of the day, Taylor Lorenz is jealous that Libs of TikTok was able to become more influential and more effective and do more long-lasting reporting just from looking at TikTok videos than Taylor Lorenz will ever do in her entire life. You said earlier that there was like foreign actors potentially involved with activist groups that are working in the doxing.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Yeah. Is that confirmed or is this just stuff you've heard? It is confirmed. Do you have evidence? I mean, is there evidence around that we can pull up or is it, is it something we should, we should,
Starting point is 00:21:17 we should wait until we have a bigger story, the release because I don't want to get into research on there. I like pulling up sources for this. It is a rabbit hole, but the idea is that the person who conducted the initial docs is actually receiving funding from foreign governments. Well, we've talked about this before. The Washington Post is not exactly the most reputable and responsible publication out there, so I'm sure you all remember that these are the people who spread the mistruths about
Starting point is 00:21:47 Nick Sandman. And part of why I'm bringing that up right now is because even though you mentioned it isn't necessarily illegal for them to link to the information they link to, we could all agree it's extremely irresponsible. And when you looked at the Nick Sandman case, there's sort of a similar situation where they made the entire country hate this kid. And then in the name of the story, the Covington school kids, they told you where he went to school.
Starting point is 00:22:08 So it would be very easy for someone to find and hurt him and the people he was with based on that information. That's insanely irresponsible. Did he sue Washington Post too? I believe he sued Washington Post and attempted to sue CNN, but I can double check. Let's talk about why this is happening. So we have this story from the New York Post. Jon Stewart's new show on Apple TV
Starting point is 00:22:28 is reportedly a flop. Well, what happened? Jon Stewart got woke, went broke. Look at Bill Maher. Bill Maher has been resisting and trying to pull back, but still pretty much playing the establishment game. But he's been calling out wokeness,
Starting point is 00:22:43 and he's sort of maintained an audience. He's also never retired. Jon Stewart tried to make a comeback. Smack talks white people and the problem with white people gets panned for it. And you know what I think? I think most of you watching used to watch Jon Stewart. I used to watch Jon Stewart. Now I see him come back, get what go broke. Let's talk about this. We were just talking about libs of TikTok. What is libs of TikTok? Well, the reality is it was an aggregator. It was a lens that was aggregating the woke left, the insane things they say and do and presenting them in a feed. This was a powerful tool in the culture war showing regular people what was going on. It resulted in outrage among parents. It resulted in potentially in laws
Starting point is 00:23:26 getting passed. Now, why would they try to target the individual and try to destroy their lives? Because wokeness is not popular and it cannot win without brute force trying to destroy. When Jon Stewart tries to get woke, it fails. So they say, get woke, go broke, right? So they have to like, is this the funny thing? If someone is showing people what woke people go broke, right? So they have to, like, this is the funny thing. If someone is showing people what woke people are like, they have to shut it down. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't. Well, people, because people are mocking it. But Jon Stewart's version of being woke was meant to be a serious, prominent personality trying to get you to believe in woke things, and it's not working. No, I remember he, one of the first things he came out against
Starting point is 00:24:02 was calling Harry Potter anti-Semitic. And then he went on this whole sort of like retconning of that where he actually went in and had them change the video title on the YouTube card in order to because it originally said that's right. Anti-Semitism, right. The goblins, anti-Semitism and Harry Potter. And then he changed it to just anti-Semitic tropes. He said, no, I wasn't saying that Harry Potter was anti-Semitic. I was just saying that these tropes show up inside of Harry Potter. He's totally different. So it's like he doesn't know how to be woke, basically.
Starting point is 00:24:34 He's saying the wizard himself character is not. He's like, I think he's a great wizard. I'd even say a grand wizard, that Harry Potter. But I wasn't calling him racist in any way. I think, well, there has kind of been a lot of Jon Stewart worship for some bizarre reason over the past couple years. And I think that's because when comparing him to John Oliver or Trevor Noah, he's significantly less funny. But I've heard a lot of people say things like, when Jon Stewart was the person making informational left-wing comedy. It was all fantastic. But I got to be honest, he very much did the clown nose on, clown nose off thing that we've sometimes complained about. I remember he was getting into an argument with Tucker Carlson a couple years ago.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And it was on Crossfire. That's right. It was a viral clip. And he's going on about all this misinformation Carlson is spreading. And Tucker says, well, you've spread a lot of misinformation on your show. And his response is, it's a comedy show. And I'm sorry, but when you're presenting yourself as a comedy show that spreads information to help keep people informed, you don't get to fall back on, I was just kidding when you get the facts wrong.
Starting point is 00:25:37 So we did an episode about a year ago when Luke was here and he and I got into it over this, over Jon Stewart. If you guys remember that. You weren't here that night, but I think you three were. And I was essentially making this argument, and Luke was saying, but he had on Ron Paul, he needed some of these other things. And I said, look, no, he was the leading edge of that. He was always the leading edge of the weaponization of comedy, and now it's gone far beyond the seeds that he initially sowed in those years. I can agree.
Starting point is 00:26:03 I think it's silly to look back and try to romanticize the era of Jon Stewart, but he praised Project Veritas. And this is a really good example of, at the bare minimum, of how things were different. He mocked James O'Keefe for wearing a silly outfit, but that's fine. He was taking jabs at James for dressing up the way he did. And it was actually like the normal clothes James was wearing. I forgot what he said.
Starting point is 00:26:27 But what did he call it? I don't know. But he basically was like, journalists, where are you? How are you getting scooped by these guys? Which is, you know, he showed the ACORN reporting legitimately like, look at this. And he didn't call James O'Keefe a liar. He didn't say it was deceptively edited. He said, wow, look what these guys accomplished.
Starting point is 00:26:43 At the very least, you have that. Now we're in the media age where trump gets not a single good day where everything james o'keefe does is deceptively edited but is james but okay has john stewart done that lately well no no john stewart has he shared a project veritas he was retired for several years it's all comes back now woke and broke he can't not literally broke figuratively broke yeah my point is he's that leading edge. He's still that leading edge. Yeah, I mean, I just want to say, I know you were going to say something,
Starting point is 00:27:10 but I just want to drop this in there first before we potentially shift to something else. It's not to say that Jon Stewart's been wrong about everything he's ever done or everything he's ever said. It's just that, like you said, he was on the leading edge of all of this. And whenever somebody comes out and says something even remotely sensible, conservatives go, oh, this guy gets it. He's great. He's our guy now. Conservatives need to stop doing that. Yeah, it's really frustrating.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Bill Maher. I was going to bring up when Stuart went on the – Jack Dorsey. The Tonight Show with Stephen Colbert. Is that – he does a Tonight Show now? And was talking about the coronavirus and the Wuhan laboratory of bat coronaviruses across the street from the market where they told us they found the bat coronavirus. The Hersey chocolate spill. That was like the most sensible, aware, normal human observation.
Starting point is 00:27:55 I was like, good. Jon Stewart's still normal. Which we all had within like one week or even one day of hearing about the Wuhan lab. We said, oh, there's a coronavirus right across the street from a virus factory i know it was it's hysterical that saying that it's possible that the virus that originated right outside of a virus factory it was insane to say um maybe that came from the virus factory and it was sensible to say that it mutated in a bat and then someone ate the soup at a wet market and that's how it all happened.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Now, when Jon Stewart came out, semi out of retirement, disheveled and on Colbert, saying all of these things, we were like, Jon Stewart's back. He's going to call out the media for being dumb.
Starting point is 00:28:36 And then what did he do? Got up on his show and said, the problem with white people. And we were like, oh, here we go. The anti-Semitism of Harry Potter. What happened? I've never heard him
Starting point is 00:28:44 use that language before. I'll tell you what. what here's what i think bill maher on his show he saw the tides because he was sitting in it he saw people tweeting him he probably talked to people and they were like dude you're getting these things wrong and he was like but those are conservative things and they're like listen he probably went hmm so bill maher i think is trying to play both sides call it the woke because the woke goes too far, but don't actually entertain the fact the left is so far gone that Bill Maher is conservative by today's, like if they call me a conservative, Bill Maher is to the right of me on a bunch of things. But I think Bill Maher recognized that. And so he's like, I'm going to call out the woke a little bit. Jon Stewart comes back from his semi-retirement and he's like, okay, what am I
Starting point is 00:29:24 doing? And they're like, here's what's happening if you want to be a liberal guy. And he went, I'll just say whatever I have to say to be relevant. And so he was like, okay, what's that? People don't like white people. Let's do a show about it. And then sure enough, it turns out people actually don't like any of that stuff. They don't like what John Stewart's presenting on. I think a really good example to understand the blue checks are wrong and crazy is that when the mask mandate was ended all these videos emerge of people celebrating right there's a video of a flight attendant singing and dancing with a garbage bag everyone throws their they're throwing their masks in and i'm like everybody hated that except for blue check mark journalists
Starting point is 00:30:00 who are like you should sue delta if they make you take your mask off. If you go in on the tweet about the, so the DC Metro has taken it off, but then a buddy of mine who rides it pretty regularly says they don't really enforce it anyway. He said he was on it once and somebody wasn't wearing it. And then someone said something to like the Metro guy who was on there.
Starting point is 00:30:20 It said, hey, this guy doesn't have his mask on. The Metro guy was like, I'm not a cop, man. What do you want me to do? I said, well, neither are the flight attendants, right? And also it wasn't a law to begin with. But if you go and look at the tweet from the DC Metro and Marina Medvin had posted this and she was screenshotting all the quote tweets over the DC Metro rescinding the mask mandate. And all they're saying, by the way, is it's optional, right? It's optional to wear, which by the way, if you go to Asia, China, South Korea, Japan, mask wearing, if you're sick, is pretty normal. It's pretty normalized.
Starting point is 00:30:49 It's always been around, certainly since they dealt with SARS, Navy flu and some of the other things. But with this one, people are freaking out. And then G Prime had a really good tweet this morning about it where he said, just imagine, if you will, you're mid-flight in a flying coffin. Oh, my gosh. Did you see? The voice comes over the intercom. They start taking the masks off. That guy who said –
Starting point is 00:31:10 And now you're being spreaded by the plague. And the worst thing of all, they're smiling. The guy who tweeted – what did he tweet? That I was on a plane with their masks off. This is MAGA air or something like that. Oh, my gosh. This is MAGA airspace. That was hysterical.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Yes. And then a journalist reached out to him. From the New York Times. It was like, can you tell me about your experiences? Like, well, it was satire, but something only a journalist would have believed. Right. I saw that G Prime image of the plane. I didn't know who it was or what it was.
Starting point is 00:31:36 And I thought, oh, this is some whacked out journalist that hates the mandates were lifted. I was like, wow, this is trash propaganda. And then I saw the name, and my entire perception of the image changed so at some point maybe we should put satire above things that are satires you're starting to sound like snopes i thought if his name wasn't on that i would have thought it was some some more like somebody that was all that hated the lifting the requirements look look i gotta say you need to be training you need to be putting on speed. These people will chase you five or six at a time.
Starting point is 00:32:08 You might have to run away from them screaming. If you go anywhere near a Whole Foods, if you go anywhere near a supermarket, airports, they congregate in these spaces, Ian. I'm telling you, they will swarm. And if two or three of them scurry away from you, right, when they see you unmasked in the aisle, keep up your situational awareness. Maintain your guard and your psychic defenses at all times because they could be returning with numbers. Okay. Frightening people.
Starting point is 00:32:35 No, I got to be honest. Hold on. I thought the G Prime comic was hysterical. He's been on this kick where he tries to create these very intentionally banal left-wing comics. His whole idea is he's trying to get into the head of a New York Times cartoonist. And they're really funny. He does a very good job with them. The problem I'm having with satire
Starting point is 00:32:54 and this is why I disliked Stephen Colbert for so long with his old show, his satire show, is that there's so much lying going on right now in the universe that I need honesty. And I can't... The people that I... If the people I trust start saying things that aren't true just for an effect, I got to disengage. I can't listen to that stuff or respect it.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Interesting. Let's talk about CNN, my friends. We have this story from Axios. CNN Plus looks doomed. Where should we get the cake from? You know, and when's the party? Sunday. Sunday.
Starting point is 00:33:21 No, for real. Maybe we can get Chris Wallace to bake it for us. All right. Here's the story, my friendsay no for real maybe we can get chris wallace to bake it for us all right here's the story my friends from axios they say warner brothers discovery has suspended all external marketing spend for cnn plus and has laid off cnn's longtime chief financial officer as it weighs what to do with the subscription streaming service moving forward now now hold on everybody was saying they had 10 000 subscribers no. No, they had 10,000 daily active users. Axio says they have 150,000 subscribers so far. Let me just put that in some numbers for you. If they're getting between $3 and $6, we're looking at between, like, what, around $8 million maybe they're making per month.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Now, they spent, I think, $250 million to set it up. So they're deep in the hole and not going to recover that anytime soon. Certainly not as much as they thought it would be, but still a lot of money. That being said, my friends, if you think we're better than them, please go to timcast.com. Become members, because we should have more than that. We don't, but we should. But it's all a growth. It's growth. The more members we get, the more people we hire, the bigger we get. CNN Plus should not be doing as well as they're doing. They are, of course. They're still doing so abysmally bad.
Starting point is 00:34:29 They're probably going to get nuked. Do you see the bottom line of that right there? Sources say a plan is being considered to replace Chris Cuomo's 9 p.m. Eastern primetime slot with a live new cast. And I love how they describe this. Newscast. Instead of a personality-driven perspective programming. Wow.cast instead of a personality driven perspective programming. Wow.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Good. Yeah. Perspective programming. You know, we thought about that, too, here at Timcast. We were like, why have this Tim Pool guy host a show with conversation? Let's just hire Chris Cuomo and have him, you know, talk to people. That would make way more. I would love to have Chris Cuomo on if he was like actually talking.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? This sounds – so Warner Brothers owns CNN. They're just basically pumping massive amounts of marketing into it to get 100,000 people to subscribe to their thing. But I mean is that – that indicates nothing to whether or not it's good or valuable. It's not good. I'm going to sound – sorry. The issue isn't the 150,000 subs.
Starting point is 00:35:21 It's that only 10,000 people on average use it per day, which is like per day, that's 24 hours. So think about that in 24 hours, about 400 every hour, about 400 people or so. Is that, is that, is that, is that right? That's like a, that's like an average telegram chat room, you know, kind of thing. I mean, I actually do think I have more people in my Telegram chat actively on a regular basis than that. And I know I do not market or pay for anything. I would like to see the ratio of other companies that have subscription models, like how many subscribers Timcast has versus how many people land on it every day. Same with Netflix. But that's apples to oranges. Well, you get an idea of the ratio of how many people
Starting point is 00:36:01 actually pay for it and how many people actually watch it. And that number is pretty important. Yeah. Do you want to mention this earlier? I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but I still don't understand how CNN saw that they were doing abysmally in the ratings and thought, you know what? We're going to get people to pay for this. Yeah. Why would anyone be willing to subscribe? I mean, it's free at the airport.
Starting point is 00:36:19 That's why people watch it. Not anymore. Yeah, they've been at the airports for a while. Oh, my gosh. Well, maybe that's why i'll tell you what happened is they had a meeting and this is my opinion and went hey why are our ratings so bad among millennials and some marketing guy was like because millennials are watching streaming services and they were like if we launch a streaming service we'll get millennials i'll tell you i bet the real issue is that of those 150
Starting point is 00:36:42 subscribers it's like 149 people who are 55 or older. You know what this is like? This is like Quibi. You remember Quibi? Yeah. That thing that was around for like five minutes. But somehow got the Reno 911. No, I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:36:53 It's like a Microsoft streaming service. So the idea was that it was micro streaming. So they're like, hey, what if – and they had like these short Reno 911 episodes, which are actually pretty good. But they would only give you a little bit of it. So it was like, what do people love? Well, they love being on their phones. And what else did they love? They love short videos. So let's make a company that's all about programmed, scripted short videos and deliver it to your phone. It was a complete failure. Nobody liked
Starting point is 00:37:18 it because that's not organic social media content, right? People want either like live forum stuff like this not scripted direct interaction actual human engagement with you know like actual humans obviously ian is you know kind of a robot questionable in that sense but um but you know we accept you as you are and and it was just an abysmal failure because again you could that was jeffrey katzenberg by the way it was behind that um the former dreamworks and Disney guy, who you could tell had some meeting and say, like, what are the kids like today? Oh, stream video? Let's do that.
Starting point is 00:37:52 But on the phone, it'll be great. I thought Microsoft invested in that. I could be wrong about that. The reality was that nobody likes CNN. Yes. That CNN was like, maybe the issue is that we're not in the right place and now they're probably you know i i hope they cried i hope someone at cnn like sat there and was just like i thought that if we made it they'd watch but they really just don't like us that's a good
Starting point is 00:38:15 point jack the the modern media now the whole like one-way media stream is kind of that's what's dying off it's turning into a two-way thing if you can't talk to your subscribers and vice versa then it's no one wants i actually really it's i i don't think that it's just that it's one way or two way i agree that that could have something to do with it but it's also the fact that they're an unreliable network they report garbage they don't have an interesting perspective that anyone wants to hear that's a good point because netflix is one way for the most part and they they're flying. Netflix is not fine. No flying, I said. They just tanked today.
Starting point is 00:38:48 They tanked massively. Did anyone figure out why that was? They're losing subscribers. What's happening? They're all going to CNN Plus? How are we going to compete? Oh, it's taxed because they can't afford taxes, so people are cutting their subscriptions probably. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:39:02 We'll get to that in a second. But I wanted to throw a really good, really good text in that kind of actually from a buddy of mine who shall remain nameless right now. But a guy I used to work with in my old job, if that makes any sense. And it said they had to lift the airline mandates because it was becoming too obvious that only L.A., L.A., New York City and the capital city still care about COVID. The rest of the country has moved on to gas prices and food shortages, and.gov employees are still worried about the flu. Their distance from their subjects has become so far that to convince them that it is still a democracy, they needed to drop the mandate. Democracy. For democracy, folks. For democracy. The weird thing is to still see these blue check
Starting point is 00:39:46 journalists be like everyone we should start suing the airlines right i know for what because they're like you agreed there would be masks when i got on this plane and now you're taking them off and it's like well that was the government you know i looked up um netflix stock the first story netflix loses subscribers tanks from cnn CNN. Their new competitor. Interesting. Yeah. So what are we talking about? Masks?
Starting point is 00:40:08 Something. We're going to talk about why, you know, where we think the subscribers are going from Netflix. And I'm lifting them. And then I was talking about masks. Yeah. We were talking about masks. So the Biden administration,
Starting point is 00:40:17 by the way, this just broke before the, the, the show went live. The Biden administration has announced that right now in a midterm election year they are actually going to be fighting to reinstate the mask mandates oh yeah really no that's so in federal court so we we have we we have people who are actively calling for that's what we're talking about suing uh airlines because the mask mandates got lifted the rate that this
Starting point is 00:40:42 is all come this all comes together you were mentioning being out of touch with their subjects right the cnn is on in line with this narrative on twitter which exists among like three percent of the population that when the masks come off everyone's screaming and cheering but cnn is on the side of like this is really bad you know people should be upset by this and regular people are like why would i watch your show i that does not relate to me who cares well i don't know i mean i think people not wearing masks is a threat to our democracy see that i think i think that perspective right there for democracy we need an unelected bureaucratic doctor um who's never you know been elected to dog catcher in his life to be making decisions for all 315 million americans um that Fauci? Is he still around?
Starting point is 00:41:25 Someone who – Yeah, what happened? A bespeckled, elfish, elderly man. That's true democracy. Is he still around though? Tim, that's true democracy. Because I – Leaving voicemails.
Starting point is 00:41:35 Yeah, if he has – How'd you left any voicemails recently? Can we give us an update? There's a Freedom Tunes video that reported a bunch of voicemails he left on MSNBC's answering machines. Yeah, that was good. The idea being that Fauci is just out of the media now for some reason. That's funny, though. I wonder if he's going to come back.
Starting point is 00:41:51 I'll give the media that much. They recognized Fauci's out and he's not relevant. He's like doing the podcast of the kid who lives next door and stuff instead of regular media. It's just – it's funny because, Tim, you sort of mentioned that – well, actually, no, you mentioned this, that in a midterm election year, they're saying they're going to fight to reinstate the mandates. It is very bizarre because they've known that that's a losing issue for a little while now and everything's going so poorly. It's almost like they're just flailing around trying to do anything. They're not even thinking strategy. When you're that low in the polls, when you're just sinking, you're drowning, you're flailing your limbs everywhere.
Starting point is 00:42:25 You're not actually making calculated motions. They're like, we've got 33% left. How do we destroy the last? Speaking of which, I literally uploaded a cartoon about this today. You guys check it out. It's called The Democrats' Brilliant Midterm Strategy. Or the lockdowns are coming back. Philadelphia brought the mask mandates back.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Yep. And we'll see. i said end of last year the lockdowns are going to come back luke said that wouldn't it wouldn't happen i said they would once it started getting lifted i was like i guess luke was right i was wrong but now i'm kind of like i don't know no i and i i had reported this and people you know got all mad at me because they were discussing this in the white house, returning the masks, or excuse me, returning the lockdowns. Kind of the impetus for that, and then Biden was even going to do a whole speech about it, that basically got flipped into the nationwide vaccine mandate speech.
Starting point is 00:43:15 But it was essentially the same type of rhetoric. They just switched it from lockdowns into vaccines. But this whole idea of, you know, we're in this together. He keeps, they keep talking about it. Ron Klain, the White House press, or excuse me, the White House chief of staff keeps referring to this as like his, you know, his FDR moment. Everything's his FDR moment, right? From this to Ukraine to whatever else he's, you know, he's the new FDR. He's the new FDR, except he can't get anything passed. Let's talk about Jack Dorsey and CNN. This from the Hill. Jack Dorsey says he saw CNN try to create conflict in Ferguson. Tim, you were in Ferguson. Yeah, and I would say I believe Jack Dorsey is right.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Now, can I say I witnessed whatever it is he saw? No. Okay. What I can say is CNN was there on the ground, and I would describe it as problematic. And it was Jake Tapper, right? Oh, everyone was there. Oh, wow. Who's that Portly woman in the pink dress?
Starting point is 00:44:07 Oh, no. She's not with CNN. My bad. No, no. She's. I can't remember her name. But she's like standing on the street. And then the gunshots start ringing out.
Starting point is 00:44:15 And she goes, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And it's like, what are you doing? Move. People are shooting guns. But no. Don Lemon reported there was no tear gas while I was getting tear gassed. So I'm just like, if Jack Dorsey were to tell me that, I'd be like, yeah. Because when the big news crews came down to West Florissant, I heard one journalist say something.
Starting point is 00:44:36 He was talking to someone. And then the part of the conversation I heard was, well, I'm just here for networking. It's a great opportunity or something like that. Wow. Because I think Anderson Cooper was there at some point. I'm just here for networking. It's a great opportunity or something like that. Wow. Because like, you know, I think Anderson Cooper was there at some point. I'm not sure. But if Jack Dorsey says he saw that, I'd be like, that's about in line with the BS I saw them doing.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Like crappy reporting, no security, just flailing all over the place, getting things wrong. And I would not be surprised if they were trying to egg things on. Because I've also seen in other instances of protests, news crews ask protesters to pose for them that's essentially what he's saying but then but then instead of the do they have the actual phrasing up there um because i think what he was saying something about like they asked them to pose i watched them try to create conflict in
Starting point is 00:45:20 filming it causing the protesters to chant fcnn soN. So it seems like, and this is the way I'm reading it because it's worded kind of weirdly, but it sounds like he's saying they were trying to pose the protesters and instead the protesters turned on CNN. And this was in reference to, Brian Stelter said, Tucker Carlson is always selling the same thing in reference to an analytical piece
Starting point is 00:45:42 in the Washington Post that said Fox News was selling doubt. Dorsey responded responded and you are all selling hope and then people were like he's selling the truth jack went off like yeah he's well tim you you've spent you know and i mean to pick your brain about this you know you've spent obviously uh several hours with mr dorsey on on a famous um interview slash debate you saw that viral video video? I sent you that this morning. Where Tim asks Vijaya of the safety and trust team on Twitter, would Twitter allow someone to spread what's considered misinformation about vaccines? I said, would you?
Starting point is 00:46:20 So I could be wrong, but I think it was, would you allow someone to share information about vaccines that could be wrong and maybe get someone hurt? And they said, that's not a violation of our rules. She said, that's not a violation of our rules. Did not age well. 2019. That was years ago. But point being that you spent all that time with her and Jack Dorsey.
Starting point is 00:46:38 So what is your take on this? People are calling it the Dorsey redemption arc. Well, I've been calling it that. What do you think? A couple of things. Maybe, you know, Jack said a whole bunch of really great things when I went there and met with him. He did. He was telling me before the show, he was like, I want decentralized, immutable social media on the blockchain.
Starting point is 00:47:00 And I said, whoa, that's beyond what I'm even talking about. And I'm just saying, don't ban people for saying naughty words. You're saying like everything you ever post will be forever. And I'm like – You started shaming him. You're like, there needs to be more regulation on Twitter, Jack. Yeah, I was like, wow, I'm on the other side of that one. I was like –
Starting point is 00:47:17 Get out of here, Murray Rothbard. I think people should be allowed to remove it. It should be permanent. But afterwards, we talked about Path to Redemption. Never happened. And after a little while, I was like, all of these things that Jack talked about path to redemption never happened. And after a little while I was like, all of these things that Jack keeps talking about, he never does that he could do. He won't do. So I don't trust him. I don't believe him. He's the CEO. What's going on? If, if he really believed in it, he'd come out and be like, guys, here's why it can't
Starting point is 00:47:38 be done. Here's what I'm struggling with. But he keeps things a secret. It could be that as CEO, he was tied up and couldn't make these moves. I wonder, I mean, he's a billionaire. At what point does he just be like, I don't need to be a billionaire, dude. I can be a hundred millionaire or a 10 millionaire. And I'm going to tell people the truth. I think he's probably on an NDA or non-compete clause of some sort. What's the worst case scenario? They sue him to oblivion. What does oblivion mean? I don't know. Take all his net wealth away. They can't take all of it away. He'll be rich forever.
Starting point is 00:48:07 That's his point. I don't think he's ready to make that sacrifice. But I know what you mean, but I don't think he's going to go there. That's fine. That's fine. Jack, it is my opinion that Jack, he tweeted out so much to be said that can't be said or something to that effect. Okay. Then either he prefers to be really rich as opposed to help fix the problems,
Starting point is 00:48:25 or he doesn't think telling the truth would actually do anything of value. So he won't say it anyway. So that idea that he's talked about before also in 2019, because I was kind of tweet mining his timeline for stuff that he said in the past about this. And his idea for decentralizing Twitter was more than just Twitter itself. It was actually the idea of turning Twitter into an internet protocol. And so the idea being is that, and if you remember the original origin story, and I think all, a lot of these like tech origin stories are kind of like come from a marketing department as opposed to what's actually happened. But the idea was that it was supposed to be just sort of this open group text or an open chat room. And that was the reason
Starting point is 00:49:04 for the character limit so that it was a chat room that you could share with anybody who had access and they followed you and they could get in. Right. And so the idea being that it was based off of SMS was based off of text message technology. So that's obviously an open protocol. So if you have an Android and I have an iPhone, I can text you, you can text me. We're across platforms. The idea then for this, for a decentralized protocol based on Twitter, then open source. So let's say you have, you know, let's say use getter. Let's say you use truth. Let's say whatever, like whatever social media you're using on this. Um, there are people who are on it. Um, that and Twitter that you would be able to interact with people across the platforms that I could
Starting point is 00:49:46 see those posts if I followed that person, even if they weren't expressly on my platform. Yeah, that's what we're building with our charity or the charity that we're getting revved up at the moment. That's completely the future of the internet. I think Jack's wanted it, but it's been protocol and you can't. Yeah, you can't. It's a piece of software that no one controls. It's just a decentralized software unit.
Starting point is 00:50:05 It's just like inverted email. Imagine you'd go to the fire hose, the feed, whatever. Right. Anyone can host it. Your account is your own website. So people wouldn't follow, you know, at Timcast. They would follow, you know, at timcast.com or whatever. And then all of my tweets and videos are on my own website.
Starting point is 00:50:26 But if you're following on the decentralized app, you can see those things. I think that's the future because then no one can ban you. You're just there on the internet and people can subscribe, kind of like RSS. All we got to do is build it.
Starting point is 00:50:39 No, it's exactly like RSS. Yeah, RSS 3.0. That was the beginning of the idea. It's becoming different with what we're working on with everybody um and i'm not ready to announce exactly what it is yet but it's it's very very close to an alpha he teed up something uh dorsey and effort in a recent tweet um that they do have a project it's called like blue sky i think it's been out for a while and and um you know i've been in this in this this is the thing i've dm'd with him so often
Starting point is 00:51:03 you know over the years. Not all the time, but enough. Talking about stuff like this. I was like, this dude's just lying. Because he's going to say these things publicly. And he's like, we're working on Blue Sky. And then nothing happens. It's remarkable because...
Starting point is 00:51:17 Which sound great. They all sound great. Dude, if I had one-tenth of Jack Dorsey's wealth, it'd be done. You'd have an alpha in a few months. Well, you'd need developers. I mean, everybody's looking for developers. Billions of dollars. Yeah, but money isn't a developer.
Starting point is 00:51:32 You need to find the people that do it. Dude, come on. And then you've got to find people that like each other, that want to work together. That's true. But if you had $20 million to spend on the project, it would be an alpha within, come on, six months? I don't know, man. You could throw a lot of money at a group of people and get nothing.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Dude, it's been three years. It's been years. But what they need is organization. I know people with lots of money, they need people to organize and do it. Right. If you are worth $20 million, you can do it. Ian, are you extending your services to Jack Dorsey? I'm doing it for free, baby.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Jack, join us, Jack. It's like we're trying to set up a nonprofit that has no money to get this going, and it's taking forever to get the filings, but it's been like six months, and there's people already working on it. So I don't know what they're doing at Blue Sky, but three years on, I'm like, Jack, I really don't believe you're working on this. I wonder what he's doing. Yeah, it's whispering sweet nothings into your ears.
Starting point is 00:52:23 You want to know what he's doing? Here's what people are saying. Elon Musk might take over Twitter. All of a sudden, Jack Dorsey comes out as this rogue figure who's like, I've had enough. It's time to be honest and tell the truth. And now people on the right are going to be like, yeah, you go, Jack. And then Jack's like, we don't need Elon. I'm here.
Starting point is 00:52:40 And then once Elon gets pushed out, Elon, Jack's going to be to be like okay so let's start censoring everybody again we need to censor everyone on Twitter all the time you're not being censored I wasn't looking at you when you started that and I thought that was Jack he was actually sitting in the other chair the whole time and we just didn't know
Starting point is 00:52:59 how did I miss the nose ring here's the thing I've asked Jack to come on a couple times. He always has like, yes, at some point. He's busy. I'd love to actually have him talk about these things. The issue is the first time he went on Joe Rogan. Joe had a huge backlash.
Starting point is 00:53:18 He got all these thumbs down because Jack was just saying garbage nonsense. And then they didn't actually get to the core of the issues. Then when I go on with Jack, Vijaya, and Joe, they did not expect to get these questions that I had for them because they probably assumed it was going to be like some right-wing dude just being like, why did you ban Milo? And instead we had like philosophical questions about the ethics of the rules and the worldviews and things like this. All of the things they said, they're just spinning. They're spinning're spinning a tail yeah i think he's because he's on the board he has like a he can't disparage the company so he can't really say a fiduciary duty yeah yeah right well we were talking about this earlier in the show but he likes being a billionaire it goes into it goes into what tim you were saying a second ago which is that as soon as somebody on the left who has been our enemy for virtually their entire time in public life says something remotely sensible we go yes this person
Starting point is 00:54:09 is speaking truth we love them and look when someone says something that's true we should absolutely celebrate the fact that they've they've said something true but you can't just start looking up to these people as heroes they've really got to earn it by showing results he um he pointed out fortunately he hasn't he said i think at one point that he realizes now that he was part of the problem of creating big tech. He was like, you know, he really wanted a free speech network, and he did it, but he didn't. You know, he made some pitfalls. Like with Chris Pavlovsky out there, like what pitfalls to avoid?
Starting point is 00:54:32 He went public. That's a pitfall. Be careful. He made his code private. Be careful. That's a pitfall because then people can control it when you're no longer there and you don't have access to it anymore. So he's made those mistakes. And I think the great thing about Jack is he's, like, been through the gauntlet and he that'd be why he's a great interview this is the this is
Starting point is 00:54:48 the theory that he's you know this is like dr frankenstein and frankenstein's monster right you know i want to create life i want to help people but instead i create this thing that ends up causing more harm than good yeah no i'm i am not saying anything about dorsey what he's done whether he is uh you know, I just want to make assumptions in good faith and say he does mean what he's saying unless it's proven otherwise. But conservatives can't jump on the he's great horse, right, without seeing some actual results. I'll throw this out there. You know, I love Twitter, right? I'm coming up on, it'll be 10 years that I've been on Twitter next month. And it is clearly the simplest, most efficient mass communication system that's ever been
Starting point is 00:55:32 invented in the history of mankind. Right. And Jack Dorsey was part of that. So like everything else, I'll always start with that. You just made me realize I've been on Twitter for, I think, 13 years. Yeah. 13 years. Like, I just wanted to go back to the way it was without all this extra stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:47 That's it. That's literally it. When it was the free speech wing. Well, it seemed nice, but it was still proprietary. They were still spying on you. It always seems nice in the beginning. And then they started doing it. Yeah, but Alex Jones was there, and he was funny.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Well, Jones never actually posted himself. That was always staff. But I just mean like his videos. His videos were there, yeah. And if you didn't like it, you could unfollow it yeah you block them or block now it's just it's become so boring yeah you guys want to know the truth you want you want to know what all that twitter really is to me is i follow news organizations journalists and personalities and so i'll see like reuters tweet something and then when i retweet a news story this is usually in the past month or so it it's just like reminding myself of the story.
Starting point is 00:56:27 So I can go back and look for it later. I don't care to interact for the most part. I will sometimes. Or I'll just post garbled nonsense because it's hilarious how triggered and riled up everybody gets. I tweeted schools should have religious studies because – great schools because kids have questions and teachers should give answers. And the teacher should tell the students to keep it a secret from their parents like i just like posting things like that so the importance though of twitter is because it it serves as a narrative bottleneck um particularly for the west um you can see this most predominantly
Starting point is 00:56:59 right now with the war in ukraine that the opinion makers and the opinion making, it all starts on Twitter. So then that filters down to whether it be CNN plus, whether it be Netflix, there's been examples of TV shows that were saved just because they had great, you know, Twitter followings. And from a geopolitical geostrategic standpoint, we've seen that so much of this comes off of twitter meanwhile you know to use ukraine as an example because so much stuff gets censored if you're on telegram it's like you're watching a completely different narrative because it's unfiltered on there now obviously sure there's going to be bad actors on both sides but telegram is uncensored
Starting point is 00:57:43 and it's very heavily focused on that whereas twitter is heavily censored or twitter is heavily censored and you're getting a completely different narrative there let's let's uh let's jump back to netflix we have this story from cnbc netflix shares crater 25 after company reports it lost subscribers for the first time in more than 10 years get woke go broke that's it netflix i mean they've done some things that are good but i think the narrative the machine it's it's fumbling it's bumbling it's falling apart regular people are tuning into shows like this the media landscape is heavily diversifying people are sick and tired of the machine they want something real and authentic isn't it interesting how poorly tech companies seem to be aging over the past 10 or 20 years
Starting point is 00:58:29 i mean everyone everyone says i loved netflix when it first started now it's absolutely awful same with facebook same with twitter basically every social media company it's because the cia is my guess is that intelligence agencies are are webbed in with these things and making them do stuff and give information away and spying. And when the codes aren't the algorithms aren't free software like copy left licenses like a GPL three, you have no way of verifying that these people if they may look like they're being run by the people that own the company, but they're being run by BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street. Well, and you look at, you know, you look at something like Netflix, and it's funny you mentioned that because I always point out that so, you know, what's the World Economic Forum slogan that whole you'll own nothing and be happy? Well, when's the last time you actually
Starting point is 00:59:17 bought a movie, like a physical, actual movie that you own? And now I know some people out there that are total cinephiles and we'll go get, they'll get the 4k, you know, or the blu-ray and they want it. They want to have that in their system. But I think for the vast majority of people, we all switched to renting movies and then streaming movies that we do not own, that we do not control. So there's this big, I guess, controversy about the new Harry Potter prequel because there's, I guess, a gay scene or a gay line in it that got edited out of the Chinese version. It's like six seconds or something, right? But my point is though,
Starting point is 00:59:53 is when it comes to Netflix or Amazon Prime or any of these things, if there's something that's in an old scene of a movie or a scene in an old movie that they want excised out, if they want changed, if they want removed, they can just go in and do that. And if you don't own a physical copy of the original film, you're never going to know. And here's the even better part. If you never had a copy of the film, you wouldn't even know. Yeah, exactly. And that happens with some films.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Oh, Chinese Fight Club. They did it. Oh, I was unaware. They changed the ending. Well, there are other films too where it's not even necessarily done for political reasons. So, for example, The Last of the Mohicans, you can't really find copies of that film that aren't the
Starting point is 01:00:31 director's cut. So the theatrical release is only available on VHS, which is really annoying. Well, Star Wars is like that. Yes, that's also true. And so even when it's not done for political reasons, sometimes you just want to watch the actual original version of the film. But you're absolutely correct that when it comes to looking back on media from the past and saying that was deeply offensive and insensitive, we have to change it.
Starting point is 01:00:52 They're not going to be above doing that. So we were watching the original DuckTales with my kids and just going through, cranking through the old DuckTales TV show from the 90s, you know, 80s, 90s, great thing. And I wasn't doing it on Disney+, and no, I'm not going to say which site I used. But I realized, because we're just going through episode by episode, there's a whole episode about a Civil War reenactment. And in this episode, Launchpad plays on the side of the rebels, and they're in gray, and there are Confederate flags all over this episode from the 90s.
Starting point is 01:01:30 So the show's off the air right now. Okay. Our internet is working just fine. Oh. But no one can see anything. I can still use the internet. I can still chat. I know exactly why this is happening, too.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Hmm. You said the forbidden name. You think? YouTube took us down. I just got a message from our tech guys that we may be having internet issues. The internet's working just fine. I can see the bit rate is up. I can load websites.
Starting point is 01:01:56 I can use my phone. But, you know. We'll just not repeat it. I'm seeing live. There's no show. Show's frozen. Let's keep it rolling for the people We'll just not repeat it. I'm seeing live. No, there's no show. Still not live? No, not live. Interesting. Show's frozen. Show is frozen.
Starting point is 01:02:07 All right, well, let's keep it rolling for the people on TimCast.com. For the podcast. And Rumble. See, this is why you guys got to be numbers. So for those that are listening on the other podcast. Mea culpa. Mea culpa. On YouTube, we're down.
Starting point is 01:02:18 We got to go to Rumble anyway. Fuck YouTube. Fuck the spy networks bullshit. So you can say the name of Libs of TikTok. You still can't swear. Well, I can do whatever I want. I mean, I'm still family-friendly show, but we're obviously not on YouTube. Yeah, but now we have to flag it as explicit when it goes up.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Well, okay. All right. I won't. Thanks, Ian. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Ian Crossland. Yeah, that's crazy. So I have it pulled up on my computer, and it is just buffering on Ian.
Starting point is 01:02:45 Yeah, but our stream is working. I still see the chat, too. Yeah, chat's working, internet's working, everything's working, but the show's not. So I'm getting a message that we may have to switch over to a different network. I don't know if that matters. But we will try. So the issue is that our internet is working the stream is going up but youtube is not putting the show out guys we're just gonna have to talk and chat that this was it was the breaking
Starting point is 01:03:09 point i was like vanguard state street black rock they were like they just used to we have no other networks available can you can they can they are they doing it they're working on it right now of course wait i've got it yeah it's gonna it's to freeze on me. Oh, wait. Yeah, this is a delay. Yep, freezes on Ian making the okay sign. Oh, it's exposing. Aha! The moment I touched my finger to my thumb. They're like, look at this.
Starting point is 01:03:33 You know, honestly, I think it was inevitable. Oh, we're back on? Oh, the stream is back. What's up, everybody? Did they switch the network? No, that's live because that's me holding the phone right now. I believe we're back. Give us a one in chat if you can hear us.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Wait, this is weird because I'm watching. No, we are back. I'm actually watching. Wait, infinity, infinity, infinity. Infinity loop, infinity loop. Conspiracy theorists. Hey, everybody. Sorry about that blip.
Starting point is 01:03:55 But how many frames did it drop? I'm not sure. It looks like we were down for a few minutes, but your chat was still rolling. So I was watching you guys. When I was talking about DuckTales in the old episode about the – Yeah, they didn't want people to know that. When I was talking about DuckTales in the old episode about a certain red and blue flag with an X that was carried by a gray uniformed army. Don't say naughty words. I know.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Let me just say for everybody who's listening, smash the like button. Yes. Subscribe to TimCast.com. The full version and the weird minute or so, I think it was like two minutes that dropped off, will be in the podcast version. But our internet didn't go out. Our internet didn't go out. I don't know if you guys saw me post in the chat. Everything was working, but on YouTube's end, something was not going through.
Starting point is 01:04:35 Now, this has happened in the past where we've been talking about something related to China, and we've had weird YouTube drop us off. We are. Hey, the age of cyber war is upon us. You never know who's got effective, you know, fingers in the pot. If you can hear me smash the like button, everyone, it's the only way we'll know. Let us know.
Starting point is 01:04:57 We need to know. Is anybody out there? Is the like button even like this or anything? Just to finish the story for my own autistic purposes, that episode of DuckTales on Disney Plus was removed. Okay. Which one was it again? Historical.
Starting point is 01:05:10 About the Confederacy. Red Army. Oh. Red flag, gray army. We were in Tennessee and it was funny. We were at a gas station and there was like the gas station sell the Confederate flags and they call it the rebel flag. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:21 And there's like, it's just like funny seeing like a little girl holding it up, smiling like on the bag. Just because of the way the left frames it and the rebel flag. Right. And there's like, it's just like funny seeing like a little girl holding it up, smiling like on the bag. Just because of the way the left frames it and the way they freak out. But like when you go to Tennessee or these other states, it's like totally normal and not even that big of a deal to anybody there. Yeah. We saw one flying on a hill on the way back from Tennessee. I was like, what is happening?
Starting point is 01:05:38 That's wild. I want to take a moment to really appreciate the technology that we have right now. This amazing streaming technology, cameras, microphones, the ability to communicate across the world in the blink of an eye with someone from their home. Because like you can see, just because we have it now doesn't mean we're always going to or that we always may. Take advantage of it while you have it.
Starting point is 01:05:56 Yeah, don't take it for granted. That's for sure. Yeah. Agreed. We can unify a lot of people. I was thinking about Hitler and how he was obsessed with unification. So we've got to unify correctly. And I think why the Founding Fathers had it right because it was a group of them doing it together.
Starting point is 01:06:09 It wasn't one person. I just noticed that we've got a ton of people smashing the Like button. So I should do a better job. I can't tell if you can hear me. Become a member at TimCast.com if you can hear me. It's the only way we'll know. That's right. I'm like, people actually did smash the Like button.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Thank you so much. Sorry, what were you saying? Oh, just that we're right on the verge of doing something really great for society if we work together. I think it's easy to grow a cult group of people like as a YouTuber for yourself. But you've got to remember the dictatorship type thing doesn't work. If we're going to use this technology for good, we've got to do it together. Speaking of cult YouTubers, did we play the Mr. No Advertisers? Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:06:48 So sad. Wow. We'll base our freedom around a constitution, not around people. United States is not a democracy. Ladies and gentlemen, it is with the utmost remorse and respect
Starting point is 01:07:04 that we mention Ethan Klein of the H3 podcast announced. Is this clip from today? I believe so. In a clip that was posted today, he has no sponsors because he is an existential threat to gay people. In his own words, I believe. In his own words. I would like to play for you this clip from the H3 TV video.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Here we go. I'll just say this. Let me fix the audio. I'm very thankful to our members. It makes this show kind of bulletproof. Sorry, Gary Stans. Here we go. Today we have no sponsors because I am an existential threat to gay rights and all progress.
Starting point is 01:07:48 So, of course, our wonderful fans have taken it upon themselves to write all of our sponsors and to have them not sponsor or not to support us. So we are I'm very, you know, I'll just say this. I'm very thankful to our members. It makes this show kind of bulletproof to stuff like this, even
Starting point is 01:08:20 though it's painful and emotionally it just doesn't, it's just painful that, you know, people would do that. Okay. I want to say a few things. Um, first Ethan is correct about members and that's why we're, we said we, I wish we set up the website years ago, but you, you, you learn when you learn. And had I known what I know now, I would have been like, that was, that should have been the first thing we did because once they started, I mean, the censorship was a big problem for a while. We had videos taken down.
Starting point is 01:08:48 That's why we dedicated this. I will say that Ethan mentions in the clip, you expect more from the sponsors and he's right. He's right about that too. You do. You do. But I will also add, I genuinely do feel bad for Ethan.
Starting point is 01:09:04 I think he doesn't understand what he's involved in. I think he doesn't know what the world's become. I think he's genuinely been lost this whole time. So let's go back in time to January when Ethan Klein deleted episodes with Jordan Peterson. He clearly did this because he was panicking about getting canceled. He doesn't want his business to fall apart. So he's just like, okay, fine, dude, I'll do whatever I have to.
Starting point is 01:09:26 Ethan, you should have just stood by your principles, which is edgy comedy, free speech, and having conversations with people. We have never had one of our show sponsors cancel on us, pull out on us. In fact, the first sponsor that I had ever had on YouTube, Virtual Shield, sponsors us to this day. No issues, despite all the controversies, the lies, the smears, the manipulation.
Starting point is 01:09:50 And I will stand by what we believe in and what we say. And I'm not going to play these stupid games. Ethan started playing the games, getting scared, panicking. He chose to get into business with these companies. And now he is sitting there saying it sucks. I have no sponsor. Well, look, man, you got to stand up for yourself. You can't let these people push you around.
Starting point is 01:10:12 You should not have taken down the Jordan Peterson episode because you look duplicitous. You look like you're lying and you look desperate. And so I hope it works out. But hey, man, I can only say if you want to get in bed with people who will who will push you off that metaphorical cliff at any moment, well, then I can only say, like, you should have you should have prepared for this. You should have expected it. You knew it was going to happen.
Starting point is 01:10:38 If imagine this, imagine if Ethan Klein, instead of deleting the Jordan Peterson episode, came out and said, they're telling me if I don't delete this episode they're going to pull my sponsors pull them i will not take down the conversation now with dr peterson imagine how much he'd be supported oh you got a hundred thousand more followers that subscribe to his network all i can say is i hate to say i told you so ian if you had just embodied the archetypal hero oh my goodness i've been sitting across from this fellow for too long apologize Apologize for that error. I hate to say I told you so, Ethan. Here's what he did.
Starting point is 01:11:09 He said to the people who try to threaten you by having your sponsors taken that he will comply. He said, yes, if you are somebody who is sponsoring my work, I will dilute my message and walk back things I've said in the past once you've told me not to. You're inviting control at that point. And also, I want to point out that when you cultivate a fan base full of people who would cancel someone, guess what happens to you? Eventually, you get canceled. It's not that complicated. I feel like this is a guy who got started doing edgy
Starting point is 01:11:46 comedy on Reddit and YouTube. Yes. Things like that. And then as times went on, he thought, I just better say what they're saying. The problem is, once again, this is not mainstream America. He is bending the knee to weirdos. Jordan Peterson is popular among regular people. The people who don't like him are the fringe weirdos. Regular people do like him. So when you say, I'm going to take it down because he's a bad guy, you got tricked. Ethan Klein got tricked. And now what's he going to do?
Starting point is 01:12:15 You know, I'm seeing everyone on the right mock him and they're laughing about it. Jordan Peterson told him that eventually he'd be held to a standard. By the very mob he currently wishes to please. Then you will make a mistake and they will devour you with glee. Please take this warning seriously. I liked you. Ethan should not have sided with those seeking to destroy. He should have sided with those seeking to protect and to develop. Because if he came out and said, I liked talking to Dr. Peterson on more than one occasion.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I may not agree with everything he has to say, but we have to defend our right to say these things. Then they'd be like, we're going to harass your sponsors. And he'd be like, okay. And then people on the right would be like, we got sponsors for you, buddy. Don't worry. We appreciate you standing by your principles and doing your thing. But too, too much. Ethan has been drifting into just saying whatever the left wants and, and look at what happens. You know, he did that thing with Hassan. You want it. with Hassan. You want to live with people? You want to work with people who will destroy you in two seconds? By all means, you go ahead and do it, but I don't know what I can do for you
Starting point is 01:13:12 when your life is destroyed by these very people. We can supply technology that you can use, Ethan, in the future for direct subscription content, so you can bypass Patreon and crap like that, take control of your network. We'll do it. We'll work together, man. you i am real quick on the the issue with our stream um i'll get every message i'm getting in is people saying that the minute it stopped was right when ian started talking about intel collection via social media yeah it's hard to tell i said even it was like the cia but
Starting point is 01:13:40 there's no way you definitely said cia yeah i said cia shut him down yeah and then I said intelligence. CIA, shut him down! Yeah, and then it immediately stops. And someone, I think, may have pointed out foreign networks as well, because when I'm talking intelligence agencies, it doesn't have to be an American one. Wait, you just said it again. Okay, but, but, but, and he should. But to be fair, you know, Ethan Klein, he gets
Starting point is 01:14:00 canceled by the left and loses sponsors. We call out the CIA, and then our stream just freezes in midstream. You know, you gotta to choose i'm working with the american government we are the good guys i'm even down with secret agencies man the world is harsh look you need what you need to do is obviously because he's now a free agent apparently because malcolm nance is no longer working for msnbc you need to sign him up as a special foreign correspondent for timcast for timcast irl sign would you sign malcolm nance no but why because racism he's a bad person did he actually go to war is that what happened he was an intelligence officer
Starting point is 01:14:39 but no he's not an intelligence officer he was never a naval intelligence officer never a naval intelligence officer wikipedia says he was he was a navy chief which is not an intelligence officer. He was never a naval intelligence officer? Never a naval intelligence officer. Wikipedia says he was. He was a Navy chief, which is not an officer, and he was a linguist. That is not the same thing. Wikipedia was wrong. Oh, my gosh. What? He's got a picture of himself like he's in Ukraine with tactical gear and stuff.
Starting point is 01:14:58 You saw the video, right? Yeah, where he's looking at his watch and he's like, the missiles, they're coming. It's south, southwest, stand by, stand by. And he's like when my dad're coming it's south southwest stand by stand by and he's like he's like when my dad everyone else is just sitting there like everyone's like walking around the background my dad you know when we were little he used to you know you know when you hear the the lightning and thunder and you can you know count how many seconds between the flash it's like one one thousand two one thousand and then but nance is doing that for missiles. They're flying over. That's a cruise anti-ship missile. It's coming from a ship towards us now.
Starting point is 01:15:30 And everyone's like, okay, dude, you're fine. Yeah, we know. We're aware. I want to talk to you guys about twisting universe. You down to go? Maybe a little bit. Five minutes. Five minutes.
Starting point is 01:15:42 Then we'll delve into it. We should talk about – Ethan having him on the show? Well, Ethan's welcome on the show, but I don't think he'd do it because they never want to. Actually, there's a lefty guy who's tweeting – he's DMing me right now like, why aren't I on the show? Here's the issue with the left as we often bring this up. Prominent left personalities always have an excuse as to why they won't come and do a show. It's always Ben shapiro yelling debate me
Starting point is 01:16:05 or at least the meme right but when it comes to the left they're like i'm not going on your show or they'll publicly be like i'll go on a show i can do it i saw your whole thing with uh hasan the other day yeah because uh he said he would come out and come on the show but then he dm'd me and he was like hey bro like covid i'm you know i'm pretty scared of covid so i don't want to do it and i said i get it man that was that get it, man. That was the first time. That was the first time. Right. And then this time, he got mad because Hasan tweeted a joke.
Starting point is 01:16:31 David Pakman said, do you know anybody who's pro-abortion? Hasan then said, me, I'm trying to do this. David Pakman said, that sounds weird. Someone said, what's wrong with more abortions? I screen grabbed that and posted it with no comment. I thought it was funny. I thought the whole interaction was funny no comment and hassan responds with do it's a joke man do you need me to put slash s and i'm like i didn't say it wasn't a joke i
Starting point is 01:16:52 literally just reposted what you did right so then he made a tweet about how you know me and dave rubin or whatever and then he i was like we claim to claim to be progressives or true progressives and or or like we're people who are rallying people who claim to be true progressives. And I was like, I've never said I was a progressive. I am not a progressive. I am a centrist moderate. And he was like, you're literally doing what I'm making fun of you for. And I'm like, dude.
Starting point is 01:17:15 I was like, that's not an argument. You're welcome to come on the show and have a conversation. And then all of a sudden, I'm not coming on your show. I won't do it. And then I was like, oh, here we go. Here we go. So we got a guy who wants to come on your show i i won't do it and then i was like oh here we go here we go you know so we got a guy who wants to come on the show and he was right he was saying because you're another part of the country and the travel and cut into my twitch streaming but but you know he agreed to
Starting point is 01:17:35 do it before and covid was the reason and now it's oh i'm too busy and i'm like dude i can respect if you're busy it's hard for me to travel to go to people's shows i still bought a trailer we drove down to nashville and I went on a bunch of I went on Candice's show on the Daily Wire. I went on their sports show and I went on Backstage Live. I will make that happen. And so I was like, dude, I'll get the trailer. We'll bring it to LA. It'll be really difficult, but we'll figure that
Starting point is 01:17:56 out. Spend a week in LA maybe. I don't really want to. How was the drive to Nashville, by the way? Oh, it was fun. Was it good? It was cool. That looks like it'd be nice. We listened to Hook by Blues Traveler a few times. That song is amazing. Yeah, and Judas by Purple Circle. Good guitar.
Starting point is 01:18:07 Amazing guitar. Love Purple Circle. And one of the best songs I've heard in a while by Nickelback, The Devil Went Down to Georgia. And I am being completely serious. I cannot believe that was actually Nickelback. He actually put it on before the episode, and I was saying this live. It's good. Nickelback's good, you can say. It's a good Nickelback song. But it's not a Nickelback song. But It's good. Nickelback's good, you can say.
Starting point is 01:18:25 It's a good Nickelback song. But it's not a Nickelback song. But it's not a Nickelback song. So Nickelback does a good version of another song. Here's the other issue is we've got somebody on the left. The people who want to come on the show that are on the left have no followers. They're not particularly prominent individuals. I get messages from people who are like, I'd love to come on the show.
Starting point is 01:18:44 And I'm like, dude, I'm not saying you shouldn't come on the show just because you have no followers, because that's not the prerequisite for being on the show. But it's the body of work. And typically, there's a correlation between someone who's not particularly prominent and a limited body of work for which we can actually comment on. And then what happens is you bring on someone who is a limited body of work and a low following count. And when you end up destroying them in a debate, the left then says, the only thing you could do is bring on this guy who's like not even that good because he couldn't get a real debate.
Starting point is 01:19:15 And it's just like, I got no problem. We'll have, we'll have, we've got a few people come on. You've had people come on that only have a few thousand followers because followers is not the reason we've had people come on with no, with no social media and things like that. I'm just referring to body of work. And you let Ian come on you've had people come on that only have a few thousand followers because followers is not the reason we've had people come on with no with no social media and things like that i'm just referring to body of work and you let ian come on yeah thanks all right of course actually the first time i was ever invited i really had to have a long debate with myself about whether i wanted to platform tim i was like am i promoting this i know right i got a feeling that a lot of people are afraid that if they come talk to you that you'll bring up like information and over
Starting point is 01:19:44 like just destroy them with like not destroy but take them to town with information and facts and then they'll feel like an idiot and look humiliated when in fact they can just come hang out and just like learn. But the problem is like do you guys remember when Hunter Avalon was on the show? Yeah. Yeah. He tried challenging me on the Ukraine story with Biden and i'm like i was like wow you're really gonna was this when he was trying so he because he like got big as as like a conservative and then he tried to like veer really hard to the left and so this was after he was already now like but he was like i mentioned the joe biden you know well sob guy got fired he's like that didn't
Starting point is 01:20:19 happen and i was like yeah it did like no it didn't and i'm like here's the video and then i'm like bro don't come here having done no research but acting like you know these stories. I've dug in and done so much journalism on this stuff. The problem is with people like him is that he sees memes and thinks Tim Pool has no idea what he's talking about and just repeats right-wing talking points when literally all day this morning I was digging into the Washington Post story, looking at public records, and doing legit hours of like real research and journalism i make phone calls i do the work it is it is rough mayo gate i love this story actually called the restaurant i call for comment we do this all the time i reached out to taylor rents for comment i reached out to the washington post for comment our newsroom did this stuff we do the research these people see these memes and these meme clips and they're like the right silly talking points dude Dude shows up here and says, Joe Biden never said that. I was like, are you kidding,
Starting point is 01:21:09 bro? Did you even Google it? Here's the video. And I played it. And he's like, oh, that really happened. And then I'm like, let's talk about my clothes, my clothes, let's talk about the formation of Burisma. Let's talk about the former CIA guy who's working on there. Let's talk about Gazprom. Dude, you do not want to get involved with me. I was in Ukraine. I went there. I watched those protests happen. I'm not going to pretend to be the expert of all experts on this stuff. But man, for these people living on the internet, doing no research, then they finally come here and it is like getting slammed by a tidal wave where it's like, oh, wow, boy, do they look bad. And the problem is for many of these people is they want to maintain this facade of i'm on
Starting point is 01:21:45 the left well what happens when they come and sit down with steve bannon and steve bannon goes tax the rich and they go i agree steve bannon yeah we're all and then all everyone on the left is like they're agreeing with steve bannon there you go that's one of the big problems i know the left does not like you know what you know i think is good destiny was it steven bonnell the third because that guy has no problem telling it exactly how he thinks. He and I got into it once, though. And that's fine. I respect that.
Starting point is 01:22:10 But it was because he accused me of lying about being in the military and lying about being in the IC, and I did not take that well. When he came on the show, he has no problem. And it didn't go well for him. He knows the stories. He knows what he thinks about them. We just disagree. And I'm like, I can respect that. But there are many people where they think they're going to come on this show and they're going to
Starting point is 01:22:27 be like, you think this about race? And I'm like, no, I agree with you on systemic racism. And they're like, you do? And I'm like, yeah, do you watch this show? And they're like, no, but I saw memes once. So this is one of the reasons I think they really do not want to come on the show. Hasan will come on the show. You know what the last thing I said about Hasan before that tweet thread was? That he was right. There was a story that came out, I can't remember exactly what it was, it was months ago. And I was like, he was Julian Assange, I think. I defended him because people were ragging on him about Julian Assange. And I was like, Hassan did not, like, was making a joke about Assange. He did not literally say this. And I'm like, it's silly.
Starting point is 01:23:02 We don't need to go after him, blah, blah, and then the dude gets mad at me because he doesn't actually watch the show if hasan came on this show he'd be like what about this and i'd be like i agree and ian would be like i agree and shames would be like yeah actually i i agree with with the details of that i may disagree on policy and then what's he going to say what's he going to argue about all of a sudden the narrative is going to be hasan goes on timcast and agrees with everything they're saying he must be far right yeah just talk about your past man let's learn about where got you to video streaming and into The narrative is going to be Hassan goes on Timcast and agrees with everything they're saying. He must be far right. Yeah, just talk about your past, man. Let's learn about what got you to video streaming and into it.
Starting point is 01:23:30 You used to work for the Young Turks. What's your relationship with Cenk when you guys were young? That kind of stuff. Let's just show humans that we can interoperate and still have differing views. I tweeted at him. He was like, why can't I go on Zoom? And I was like, we don't do Zoom. Internet makes us hate each other. It's better to sit down, shake hands, and talk about about it and that's why we do it the way we do
Starting point is 01:23:49 andy no hit me up and he's like can i do your show remote and i said sorry dude can't do it then he came here lauren southern can i come on your show remote i said we don't do remote you said you can't even do it in person lauren like we don't want to see you around here yeah and well uh uh even for Andy Ngo and Lauren Southern. What about Snowden? I don't want to do it. I really do not want to do it. I remember watching Joe Rogan's episodes where he did Zoom, and I was like, not fun.
Starting point is 01:24:16 His Snowden episode has 30 million views because it's Snowden. He's in lockdown somewhere. I don't do this for 30 million views. I want to sit down with people and talk. So would you go to Russia to interview Snowden? The problem is... Assuming, you know, travel was fine and all. Oh, two seconds.
Starting point is 01:24:33 Yeah. The real issue is that I can't run a business while flying to Russia. You know what I mean? Yeah. We're trying to get to that point. Believe me, I know exactly what you mean. Why are you scared of debating Snowden?
Starting point is 01:24:41 So you won't debate Snowden then? You're terrified? I would love to debate Snowden and say that you published documents without going through them and redacting critical information, and that was a serious intelligence risk. I don't view Edward Snowden as a whistleblower. I view him as a leaker because he did not actually review the documents that he was giving away, and he's admitted to that. I can respect that he admitted to it. I think the distinction is important. He did expose a bunch of really important things.
Starting point is 01:25:05 That's fantastic. But I think terminology is important in understanding what someone did. Someone who sees malfeasance and says, hey, you guys got to know about this whistleblower. Someone who says, I see bad stuff. I'm going to take all of it and just give it to journalists. I'm like, leaker. Different thing. He did blow the whistle technically.
Starting point is 01:25:21 What about Manning then? Manning was a whistleblower. A collateral murder. That was incredible, by the way. But didn't Manning then? Manning was a whistleblower, a collateral murder. That was incredible, by the way. But didn't Manning still grab a bunch of documents? There were a bunch of documents, yes. It depends. I don't know exactly.
Starting point is 01:25:32 I'd have to research the Manning stuff. The issue with Snowden was that Snowden has admitted to being like, I didn't read this. And it's like, okay, well, then you're just leaking stuff that you don't actually know what you're putting out there. And I think it was actually, it might have been John Oliver, who was like, in the documents you released, there was unredacted critical information that put people at risk. And he was like, I didn't check. Or no, he was like, it was published by the journalists. They failed to redact. And he was like, I didn't know.
Starting point is 01:25:58 And he's like, shouldn't you have to, like, isn't that your responsibility? And Snow was like, yeah, that is, I guess. So I can respect that, you know. But we got a few minutes. You wanted to mention that the universe is twisting out of control? Yeah, well, it's definitely twisting under control, apparently. There's this theory that the universe is expanding, and a big part of that is because when they look far, far out into the universe,
Starting point is 01:26:16 beyond the galaxy, they see what's called a red shift. It looks like the stuff that's further away, the wavelengths of light are getting longer. So I started to think about wavelength, and I brought this little prop. And I'm sorry, if you're not watching the video, you're going to have to get a hold of one of the videos so you can watch this part and get an idea. But maybe you can imagine along with me. Look at this wavelength. Now imagine it's on a flat plane. It's going to look like a very short wavelength, like da-na-na-na-na. It's very short. If this
Starting point is 01:26:39 wavelength turns sideways, the wavelength itself becomes longer. It's the same wave. You're just looking at it from a different angle. So it will attempt, it will begin to appear red as it's turning. And then I started thinking of the Taurus and how maybe we're on like a donut, like on the Taurus twisting around itself, seeing the outside of the universe from a different angle. So we see the light reflecting. And then I started thinking about the singularity at the center of every black hole and every torus toroidal black hole perhaps and uh the big bang
Starting point is 01:27:10 and i think what's happening is as we're twisting around once we twist back through the center we have what we consider the big crunch and then when we come out the other side of the center it expands open into what we might think is the big bang so i tweeted about it you can follow along oh there's an pose of this image of the donut universe. So Ian believes the universe is both hollow and flat. I'm not saying that the universe is not expanding. It might still be expanding. It's just the main piece of evidence for the expansion is the redshift. And if this also explains the redshift, then you could argue that you may want to remove that evidence as part of the expansion theory.
Starting point is 01:27:43 Ian is effectively arguing for solid state theory, just a little different version of it. Solid state theory was like before the Big Bang. They believed the universe just was and it was like, you know, molding. And then that this would be a black hole that we're inside of that's inside of another universe that's also a black hole which is ever fractally
Starting point is 01:27:59 expansion. I believe Hawking had a theory as well about multiple Big Bangs. And that's so it would which which kind of lines up with what you're saying. It just keeps happening over and over. How does that explain the Big Bang? Well, that once you're twisting around back and through the center, you experience the singularity or the big crunch where everything comes together for a moment and then expands back out again. Oh, I see. So it folds in on itself.
Starting point is 01:28:21 If you're in the inside and then coming out the other side, it looks like it's exploding, like blasting out. Right. So actually, I would say your twisting universe theory is you have a three-dimensional representation of a twisting universe, but perhaps it's actually beyond three dimensions. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the universe is – Yeah, this is a three-dimensional way to look at it. But I think, Ian, you should read about M-theory and string theory. Yeah, Eric Weinstein particularly has a geometrical unity
Starting point is 01:28:48 theory, and he talks a lot about that the universe is also a torus. And Nassim Harriman talks about the universe in the Schwarzschild proton paper, how it's equal density, which made no sense because it was expanding. So with this theory, this could explain why there's equal density in the universe, too. But I've got to say,
Starting point is 01:29:03 I've read a little bit about M-theory a while ago, and it looks like this is a rudimentary concept. Interesting. Yeah, like if you actually read M-theory, you'd be like, oh, this is a few steps before where we're actually at. One thing I keep finding with science is that there's so many ways to explain something. You can explain it two-dimensionally, three-dimensionally, four-dimensionally, five-dimensionally, and they're all right. They're all different ways. Like the electric universe is real. Gravity is real.
Starting point is 01:29:24 But they're just different ways of looking at the force what's amazing to me is that so and seamus you probably know about this too so isaac newton right and we we credit him and and i was on the war room um we talked about this a little bit on the easter special that newton was you know he's basically credited for obviously being one of the smartest guys that ever lived, you know, arguably, you know, developed calculus, at least independently, master of Cambridge for years and years. But he didn't even consider himself a mathematician. He thought that was just like a side gig. And what he really focused on was theology, the Bible, secrets of the universe. They call it alchemy and occult thinking, but what he really was interested in was this idea of codes in the Bible, codes in the pyramids, digging in millions and millions of words
Starting point is 01:30:17 that he wrote about this after he left Cambridge that people just totally dismissed. When you were talking about Jesus dying and then going through hell before he ascended to heaven, it made me think of the Taurus and going through the center of the singularity, experiencing hell to be rebirthed. We were talking about that a little bit prior to that. Maybe we can do that in the after show. We'll talk more about that. We can do that if you want, but that's the theory, the layers of hell.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Tim, you brought up a cool graphic. So what's this? String theory. Tell me about it. It's string theory. So this is- I'm not it it's string theory so this is this is i'm not a physicist m theory also uh i think m theory is an advanced version of it but i'm not a physicist i read one book a long time ago but the the general idea is the universe is like a series
Starting point is 01:30:54 of membranes that are folding so it could be a bunch of toruses all like you know like this thing behind me where is it over here it's like a bunch of toruses all layered on top of each other, like maybe 64 of them. And then you get a shape like that. Could be something. That's like in motion, but we just took a snapshot of it. Or the Earth is both hollow and flat. Donut Earth theory. Tell me more.
Starting point is 01:31:18 Well, you know, I was reading these people saying that the Earth was hollow, and I was like, interesting. But then I saw these people saying the Earth was flat, and I'm why not both that's a more fun theory in my opinion donut earth what is inside the donut earth jelly jelly boston cream no i'm gonna go jelly so it's full of taylor lorenz um there are probably gigantic caverns underground which may have huge rivers and oceans and and like plant like fungus that grows and glows like iridescent light and animals we've never seen before. What if it turned out that like the surface world is the North Korea of Earth and that, you know, deep underground are advanced civilizations of humans.
Starting point is 01:31:58 And then we're just living in this dictatorship where they don't let us go to the North Pole to go into the hole into the hollow Earth. Oh, and they're controlling us through the North Pole to go into the hole, into hollow Earth? Oh, and they're controlling us through the elf band, the extremely low frequency, which is another interesting, the elf band of radiation, the extremely low frequency band. And Michael Malice talks about DMT and seeing elves. You see this elf band of frequency that is apparently interconnecting the human consciousness.
Starting point is 01:32:20 Maybe they're affecting it from underground. Maybe. That's kind of a joke. But how about we affect super chats so if you haven't already smash that like button become uh become members at timcast.com if you want to watch the members only show coming up and uh become a member in general just to support the work our journalists do because i gotta say 90 plus percent of what you'll get from timcast.com is just the journalism that we put out and it is only possible because
Starting point is 01:32:44 we have members so that is the true value of the site. Because if we got to the point where we had like 200,000 members, then you would be seeing our articles everywhere. We want to get to the point where breaking news doesn't come from fake news manipulators and liars who docs. It comes from real journalists. And that's what we're working on. So don't forget to smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and let's read some super chats. Gerald Armstrong says, Tim, we need to spread the word and find out what happened to Gonzalo Lira. What happened to Gonzalo Lira? Well, from what I can tell, he was in Ukraine documenting the war.
Starting point is 01:33:16 The Daily Beast did an article about him and took a lot of stuff out of context from what I could see. He was a PUA guy at first, right? What's a PUA? Pickup artist. Yeah, he was a pickup artist, like a YouTuber. Like he's not even particularly political prior to this. And either he said some wrong thing. I mean, when your country's at war, if you start talking out against your country, I imagine they're going to use an enemy.
Starting point is 01:33:35 No, I don't think he's Ukrainian, though. No, he's an American in Ukraine, but he was in Ukraine. I think he's born in Chile, actually. So Chilean, but has American citizenship, but somehow ends up, you know, I don't know the whole details there. Yeah, American Chilean. But he's in, but he was in, I believe it was Kharkiv in Ukraine, posting videos. I saw one of his videos. It was, you know, it was fine.
Starting point is 01:33:57 I didn't find anything threatening by his video or anything like that. I mean, he was just posting basically his theories about some stuff that was going on in the media. From the quotes I saw from Daily Beast, it made him look like a Putin apologist and that he thought Russia was in the right. It was kind of framing it like that. And then all of a sudden he disappeared. Now no one knows where he is. Well, so he had a tweet up that went hyper viral. And he said, if you want to know the truth about Ukraine, look up these, I think it was like seven names of various figures and oligarchs throughout Ukraine. And then he said something to the extent of, if you don't hear from me in 12 hours, this will be my last tweet or something.
Starting point is 01:34:31 And then he actually disappeared after that. Wow. All right, well, let's read more. We got Sorda, who says, let's talk more chickens. That's right. Chicken City is up and running and one of the most successful super chatted live streams in the world. No joke. No joke.
Starting point is 01:34:47 Yeah, seriously. I think after we get a few months of Chicken City up and running, you'll see it appear in the top rankings. But based on the current trend of averaging, I think we're averaging around like $1,200 a day. One day we had like $15. One day we had like $9. Then we had like $12. So people really do enjoy feeding chickens. Shout out to Roberto. really do enjoy feeding chickens.
Starting point is 01:35:06 Shout out to Roberto. The king of the chickens. Yeah, he's going to be retiring soon though. All right. Because Sarah had a son. So he's a Brahma and he's going to be really big. He's a big rooster. And so we want, you know, those big rooster genes.
Starting point is 01:35:18 We want to make the chickens all bigger. So we're going to be, you know, he's going to take over. Roberto done. Roberto Jr. will be in charge for a while. Roberto is going to go retire at the boys dormitory. And then, you know, we got take over a new stud roberto jr will be in charge for a while roberto was gonna go retire at the boys dormitory and then you know we got uh some roosters coming in toxic masculinity it doesn't sound like a democracy at all no no in fact when um when dorothy was getting uh loved too much by roberto because this happens they get a favorite it ruins their backs and rips their feathers out so we had had to put her in sex jail. And a lot of people were like, why are you putting the victim in jail?
Starting point is 01:35:47 And I was like, because it's just chicken society is different. The rooster is guarding the chickens. He does his thing. But if you take him out, then when they come back in, he'll fight with the other rooster. Right.
Starting point is 01:35:58 Because they're going to try and reset a pecking order. So it's the, we have two roosters. We have a bunch of hens and it works because the younger rooster knows his place. If you take one out and reintroduce them to adult mature chick,
Starting point is 01:36:10 roosters are going to be like, they're going to fight it out. It's not going to be that bad people. Like they're not fighting roosters. It's not going to be like a rooster fight
Starting point is 01:36:17 like people think happens. They'll chase each other around a bit and then they'll get into a fight and then stop. But we don't need to do that. So it's easier to just take out the one hen
Starting point is 01:36:24 and try getting a bib for her back to protect it like armor. But we don't need to do that. So it's easier to just take out the one hen. Try getting a bib for her back to protect it like armor. But he kept flipping the bib off, I guess. No, she would rip it off. She didn't like it. Oh. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
Starting point is 01:36:33 So but when Roberto retires, Roberto Jr. will come in and it's not going to have that problem. And then we're going to put an immature male who will view him as the boss. And then once he grows up, he'll see him as the boss. And we're going to worry about it. So we'll be cycling him out. All let's read some more we got balian says jack curious if you talked with kelly shibaka of ak running to take murkowski's seat and what your opinion of her is also curious if you guys have tried getting her on your show uh haven't haven't spoken to her um directly though i have seen her all over um yeah bannon's war room and she goes
Starting point is 01:37:06 on quite frequently um alaska is an interesting state right and um you know to understand politically because you'll have people who like they they they love smoking weed but they also love guns right so it's it's sort of this like quasi it's very earthy in that sense. A lot of people who love very naturalist kind of society. So it's different, I think, than anything in the lower 48. And that being said, Murkowski is very strong, going to be pulling out the stops. Though I think Chewbacca has a real chance of actually beating it. We're potentially looking at going back up to Alaska this year, do some filming up there, do some shooting, talk about some of the actual resources
Starting point is 01:37:49 that we have in Alaska. I mean, that's America's treasure chest in terms of natural resources. You know, we talk about annexing or purchasing. Occupy Alaska. Right. Occupy Alaska, invade Alaska, go in there. Actually, and you hear Biden, by the way, he talks about, oh, we're going to start opening up federal leases again. Well, it's not about, or Jen Psaki will come out and say, oh, well, we don't need to do drilling because we already have 9,000 leases out there. Well, the issue isn't the leases. The issue is the EPA and getting the environmental approvals to actually drill on the leases. Because we went all the way up with Daniel Turner and we went up to Prudhoe Bay and you can see the oil rigs. i didn't know this and you know whatever um you know not an expert in oil
Starting point is 01:38:29 rigs but i didn't know that oil rigs were mobile uh on land so they have they have giant treads and you can actually drive it with a joystick like a like a like an actual gigantic gundam and yeah dead serious right they i'm like why do you guys not lead with that right and and the point and they're all just sitting around doing nothing. Wow. All right, let's read more. We got A Sea Line in Orange says, BiPillow was an amazing book to read.
Starting point is 01:38:51 Such a great book, it left me speechless by Michael Knowles, available in paperback June 2022. Wow. Amazing. Michael Knowles turned selling his book into a meme. And I respect it. Yeah, of course. I do like the BiPillow. So there was a notepad in, of course. I respect it. I do like the buy pillow, though.
Starting point is 01:39:07 So there was a notepad in front of Jack. I was like, I can take notes now. And then he wrote buy pillow on it and put it behind him. I was like, do you have anything to publicize, Jack? He's like, I don't know. Buy pillow. I just want you to buy the pillow. I don't know why you didn't.
Starting point is 01:39:18 Where can they get that pillow, by the way? Just buy it from mypillow.com. Clef the Misfit says, Tim, your, quote, only some people have souls theory has been keeping me up at night. NPCs who can't think independently or see the machine elves
Starting point is 01:39:31 found another symptom. They have no internal monologue. They'll tell you that. Is it the pineal gland? Not all of them. Some of them. They've done surveys and they've asked people,
Starting point is 01:39:42 do you have an internal monologue? Do you think and talk and like your mind and there are people say no yeah some people don't i don't i don't think that breaks or does that break down along are there any statistics on how that breaks up based on political views or anything like that i don't know i love using and can we hire somebody no no no joke can we hire like a polling firm to do that yeah yeah that would be really really interesting everyone has souls stop despairing yeah i wondered if someone's in a lot of pain if they can't feel it or something i think everyone has souls yeah like if they're not like not like everyone has collected souls like everyone has
Starting point is 01:40:11 multiple souls in a jar or something but everyone has a soul or everyone yeah a body and soul yeah but you have to develop your soul you can also kill your soul right you don't want to do that i would love to get into that maybe on the after show i have to think about that is it yeah well yeah is that how is that i'm trying to think of that's the theological way of describing well yeah you can you can hmm all right let's see raymond g stanley jr says tim libs of tiktok is a major player in the political culture war laws were written based on the videos she shared she'll only get bigger bigger now. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Libs of TikTok should just be a public figure. Well, I think they did come out, and Seth Dillon made the announcement that she is going to be getting hired with Babylon Bee.
Starting point is 01:40:55 Oh, really? And that they did do a deal. I had heard a little bit about this. So he basically put out a tweet thread saying, We stand by her she will not be canceled her new job and alluded to the fact that that babylon b has done a deal with lives of tiktok right on all right the user known as tim says tim if doxing is solely a matter of free speech then won't then it won't be any issue if we counter dox every single journalist who does
Starting point is 01:41:21 this nonsense right so i think doxing wrong, but doxing is free speech. You can go outside with a big poster board of someone's name and address and private information and picket it around. It is protected speech. That's why I said I don't think, I think some censorship makes sense, and I think we can all agree that there are some things like doxing is off limits. The issue is doxing is not a political opinion. It is a form of intimidation, threat, or stochastic terrorism. And as soon as you mix it
Starting point is 01:41:49 with implying that someone's bad, and then you dox in the same article, that's political. When you're talking about someone's values and making value claims on someone in public, that's a political move. Yeah, I think doxing, I have no problem with doxing not being on social media. Doxing is not a personal opinion. Doxing is not a political opinion. Doxing is not speech in the sense that it's not political speech. It is just posting the information. Well, this is under the minimize harm theory. You know, and I will say too, I'm not an absolutist in this. I'm willing to hear some counterpoints because allowing someone to determine when they can ban you based on doxing could also restrict you from publishing newsworthy events that aren't doxing but could be someone's address.
Starting point is 01:42:33 So as an example though, doxing can also be revealing someone's name, not necessarily just their address. these viral videos um not just lives with tiktok type videos but let's say a video of a criminal act and you have the ability to actually positively identify the person in one of these attacks we see like uh attacks on asians or shooting or you know whatever it is if you can identify that person that's not doxing there therein lies right the big challenge i do disagree with publishing the name in these stories because it doesn't serve the story itself no it's an it's an attack i have no problem with if you know taylor lorenz wrote an opinion piece saying here's my opinion of this person and i'm publishing their name specifically because i want you to know it i'd be like you know they're actually that we should probably say this but there actually is a story to be told about lives of tiktok but the story would be why did the account take off what was the content
Starting point is 01:43:25 they were dealing with why were laws written what was the impact of it but that wasn't this story yeah all right john kristin says uh or is it uh yes kristin love poso by far my favorite guest on irl despite him talking smack on my hometown altuna and cargo shorts altuna pa shout out to altuna yeah that was fun right, that was fun, right? Yeah, that was awesome. Altoona was fun. That was a little ribbing. That was a little ribbing, but not about cargo shorts. Cargo shorts are absolutely unacceptable. Dalimar says, the question is simple.
Starting point is 01:43:54 Why did all of these old papers and media just become the National Enquirer over the last 10 years? Has the internet just ravaged them that much? Yes. Waiting for the New York Times and WAPO article finding Hitler's skull. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, we're already at that level where it's like an activist gets hired and then blogs and they're like national news. Run with it.
Starting point is 01:44:13 It used to be there are three networks that were held very tightly as the gatekeepers, ABC, NBC, CBS. And then when it splurged out into all these millions of people giving the news, now it's about who's the most entertaining, who's going to catch your eye with spectacle. Yeah, but that's actually more traditional that so the the the centralization of news is only something that really came about with the advent of television um prior to to that every town had like three or four newspapers a bunch of radio stations and or even you know if you go back even further pamphlets and so um yellow journalism the spanish uh spanish-american war 1898 is is always talked about as one of these things of who could make the biggest splash who could say oh the spaniards are against us they're blowing up the main in
Starting point is 01:44:56 havana harbor they're doing all this stuff we got to go against them um so the idea of viewpoint neutral journalism actually something that only arose really with the advent of television in the 1950s to early 1960s, coincides, of course, with the Vietnam War. But that's not the traditional American view and really experience with media. That's only something that arose because of that one limited, very limited interaction. If you go back to today's, of course, the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord, the shot heard around the world. And if we remember, it was those localized pamphlets, independent printers, independent publishers, Thomas Paine, you know, printing stuff and handing it out to people in inns and taverns that really formulated
Starting point is 01:45:43 the sort of the thought experiment behind the american revolution that led to the independence of this country yeah all right dan says tim big big fan of you and the team tim cast subscriber and enjoy the extras although i don't take advantage of the membership i will never cancel out of support for what you and the team do thank you what we need to do next is uh it's a lot we're juggling so much pop culture crisis of course has been you know getting getting bigger getting more views getting more subs so we want we want to have that show that that engages with pop culture getting getting bigger because that's how we're going to impact it by participating but um we need to hire prominent writers who do good
Starting point is 01:46:19 op-eds analysis and think pieces so that we can start making opinion paywalled articles for timcast.com. So that way we can share these stories and then be like, Hey, here's, you know, like a value proposition. We have a lot of users. We have a lot of subscribers. The overwhelming majority are subscribing for the general mission and content of the website. And it's not necessarily just about the members only stuff. It's just like, it's, it's, it's the news team. It's the writing we do. It's, it's the whole mission. We know this because we had subscribers even before we had the paywall. We just had to do that to create a better value proposition. So that's the next thing I probably, I want to hire two opinion writers in cultural politics.
Starting point is 01:46:57 So we're looking at a handful of people and then they'll write articles when they, you know, when they write articles addressing big stories like this, and then those will be like paywall op-eds just to give the members more stuff. Plus we have the green room and we're, we're, we're trying to expand and grow and do crazy stuff. Matthew Emmett says Babylon B CEO, Seth Dillon announces partnership with libs of Tik TOK. I think it's a good fit. I really do. All right. Placid Saint says Netflix may have gone down because a new series called he's expecting just got released and it looks super cringe and looks like utter gutter trash. I can only imagine what that one's about.
Starting point is 01:47:32 We'll see. It's an affront to God. Not the only thing on Netflix either. No, no. All right. Let's see. Sean McCormick says there are trending rumors that Dr. Fauci is facing a military tribunal since April 18th. Please look into this.
Starting point is 01:47:47 It could be huge and is definitely not happening. And I would bet a lot of money it's not happening. I mean, that's just, come on. That's like Leaky World News level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nope, sorry. Bad boy saves the world. Servers in Germany CIA gun battle level.
Starting point is 01:48:01 Yeah. Ben Hickson says, in Oz, oz major parties pulled 33 independent making other third all aussies vote major parties last to enact real change and consider liberal democrats with freedom manifesto interesting i thought they meant dr oz for a second who's you know a guy who supports red flag laws who talked about top surgery for seventh graders, who mocked heartbeat bills, and yet somehow is running around calling himself a conservative to run in Pennsylvania, even though, of course, he's lived for 30 years in New Jersey.
Starting point is 01:48:32 Yeah, I mean, with those opinions, he's got to wait at least five years before he calls himself conservative. Maybe six. Yeah. Maybe six. Time's an illusion. Steve says, We can really go back to the way it was if you're pushing 60 like me.
Starting point is 01:48:45 Way better times when I was a kiddo. I would be terrified if I was a parent today. You know, I think we romanticize the past. You could. Cell phones are great. Every generation, people think it's the end of the world. I would say it's common. It's not common throughout every person alive at that moment.
Starting point is 01:49:02 It's very few people do it, but right now they have a megaphone. Don't get distracted by it. Don't get afraid. Stay brave, man. You're live. You're doing it. You're here with us now. We had a draft during Vietnam.
Starting point is 01:49:10 Think about that. We had an actual draft in this country where you were conscripted by the government and there was a lottery system with essentially you were given a number and then you would turn on TV at night for your local lottery and if your number came up, off you went.
Starting point is 01:49:24 Or in the morning. Yeah. Or in the morning. Yeah. Or in the morning. So my dad has told a story. When he was in high school, on the morning announcements, they would play the radio segment announcing who in the area had their number pulled, so they would know who got drafted. And they would read the numbers, and then you would just go. And that was based on a false flag, the Gulf of Tonkin.
Starting point is 01:49:41 That's right. And it's crazy that people would just stand up and be like, oh, guess I'm going to go with you. Democracy, right, guys? Democracy. Do you understand that they did that on purpose? They put us into that war on purpose. They did that on purpose, and then they drafted people.
Starting point is 01:49:52 Yes. Incredible. All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Ian, roll the dice while we wait. You got it. Please. One through 100. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:50:00 All right. Ian's going to roll that. I'm going to scroll down. 74. 74. Not bad. Big number. All right. Grofty says roll that. I'm going to scroll down. 74. 74, not bad. Big number. All right.
Starting point is 01:50:07 Grofty says, Bok, yay, you back. Grofty has been a generous supporter of Chicken City, keeping those chickens well fed. Thank you very much. We now have, so Chicken City has Sky Eggs. What are Sky Eggs?
Starting point is 01:50:18 They're these eggs that dispense treats, and they hang, and when you give five bucks in different order, they will drop treats. So when every hundred dollars, a chicken party is triggered, treats and they hang and when you give five bucks in different order they will drop treats so when every hundred dollars a chicken party is triggered and like dance lights show up and a dance song happens and then the treats drop all randomly chickens are all running around yeah when they come running out of the when they hear the music and they come running it's really funny when the
Starting point is 01:50:37 music starts and they run from outside and they're like waddling like ah the food's coming we heard the song so they learned the chicken dance song i think i was watching it a bit, and I think I saw Seamus actually running along with the chickens. Yeah, you know, look, every now and again, there's bread on the ground. A fella gets hungry. You just have to take your chances. Hey, those are Sky Treats. People don't realize that Seamus pecks the ground and eats the crumbs. He does, yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:57 Look, and also, you know, if a chicken gets in my way, I'm not above fighting it. It's good exercise, too. Murph Try says, Tim, please tell Brett I apologize for calling him Brent yesterday. Thanks, Murph. So, you know, Brett was here yesterday. Yeah, yeah, right. And in the Super Chat,
Starting point is 01:51:11 he said Brent. And then Braxton, who was here, called him Brent as well because he thought he must have been wrong to call him Brett. He's like, oh no, I called him Brett. Yeah. Proto says,
Starting point is 01:51:21 people don't understand the plus part of the service. Get CNN for free every every month or get cnn plus no stelter for for just five bucks more no that's cnn plus plus plus i'm pretty sure stelter's on cnn plus yeah he is like you pay extra for him not to be on it yo like nobody watches this show it's it's like what's his ratings like 40 000 his ratings are abysmal and and they say that john malone so who's the lead investor, lead shareholder in Discovery, has said that he just thinks that Stelter is just like a cancer on the company and wants to get rid of him. Really?
Starting point is 01:51:54 Oh, 100%. But honestly, I mean, I think there's people who are on there. Brian Stelter has no influence. Brian Stelter has no impact. I mean, he's kind of just like a laughing clown, right? Everybody just jokes about that guy. He's a punchline. Is he like a really nice guy in private?
Starting point is 01:52:10 No. Why is he so popular over there? What would you do if like the Discovery guys came to you, Jack, and they were like, we want you to run CNN, take it over? I would ask for full carte blanche. Yeah. I would say, look, you know, I have to, you know, so yeah, you first thing you do you got a clean house. That's that's first and foremost. So in Poland, when the Law and Justice Party, which is like the center right party won the control the government in 2015, the first thing they did was essentially go to the Polish version of like the BBC, which they call TVP, and they just fired all the on-air talent and they brought in conservatives to basically be the broadcasters of Poland. And, you know, essentially you'd have to do that with CNN or at least, you know, bring on people. So you'd have to have your, your news programs that
Starting point is 01:52:54 were just straight news. And if you caught someone embellishing, you'd have to get rid of them. And then you could have multiple shows. You could go back by the way, right? It wasn't that long ago that Alex Jones jones was going on cnn debating pierce morgan or you would have tucker carlson sitting down with like james carville or someone from the left right you can easily bring that back and you know and you can have don lemon and wolf blitzer arguing about which black hole mh370 went through if cnn had alex jones and say alex jones on The View. I know, I know. If they had Alex Jones and Rachel Maddow
Starting point is 01:53:27 on the same show at the same time, they'd have like 10 million. Mega ratings. It's got to be long form. They should go long form too. There's so many things you could do with that and everybody would want to watch it. It'd be way more interesting than boring politics all the time. Don't give them ideas because, you know... Well, we already kind of did that.
Starting point is 01:53:43 We had Rachel Maddow on with Jeremy Boring. Yeah, we did. That was before. That's true. So that's right. Yeah, Rachel Maddow and Jeremy Boring
Starting point is 01:53:50 discussing philosophy. Rachel, of course, is a conservative white man who hosts a... Sicilian man. Who wrote a book called Speechless Controlling... No, no.
Starting point is 01:53:59 Here's something funny. So whenever a guest comes, we have our graphic artist, Jessica, draws a portrait of them. Right. And then they sign it. So for Michael Knowles, she actually made a Rachel Maddow photo and a Michael Knowles photo.
Starting point is 01:54:11 And Michael only signed the Rachel Maddow. So sad. But all right. It's a bone scratch. But did he write Rachel Maddow? No, he wrote Michael Knowles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we did as a joke, like, here's your picture.
Starting point is 01:54:23 And he signed it. And they're like, no, sign the real one. And I guess he forgot. He got so distracted a joke, like, here's your picture. And he signed it. Now sign the real one. And I guess he forgot. He was like, that's beneath me. I guess on the wall of portraits we have here, we got to put up the Rachel Maddow one with autographed. It's probably worth more money now, to be honest. It's like the variant.
Starting point is 01:54:38 We'll get Rachel to sign Michael's. Yeah, there you go. All right. MJAC says, interested in what all of you even my fellow fellow catholics think of the dark maga movement i don't know what that is what is that no idea my god i don't know you know anything dark maga movement i've seen yes uh rahim kasam had a sub stack up about this and then newsweek is attacking it now and it's sort of this like it's like this new take on maga and this idea that like if basically it comes down to if trump comes back
Starting point is 01:55:05 it should be like a revenge mission oh that you know and then and so all the aesthetics kind of you know you know revolve around that trump just shows up and he's wearing like a black trench coat and his eyes have like yeah you get it yeah he bends the doors of the white house when he runs well no the thing i was saying yesterday was you saw that that bit with um you know joe biden and the easter bunny um coming off you know and the easter bunny was like getting him out of there and i was saying well the the next logical step in that would be that the the easter bunny pulls the mask off and underneath it's trump and the current you know the crowd goes wild how did he get in here and you, you know, JR's like, we're gone! It's Trump! It's Trump! I need a
Starting point is 01:55:47 Emperor Palpatine, but Trump. Oh my gosh. It seems, I feel like he looks more like Biden. No, no, no, come on,
Starting point is 01:55:53 give me the, do it. Oh, do the impression? Yeah. As Trump? Trump as Emperor Palpatine. The story of Dark Plague at the Wise
Starting point is 01:56:01 is the greatest. I don't know. I know, so you want to do Trump's voice like, first, quite frankly, it's a story CNN wouldn't tell you, okay? You gotta let the hate story of Dark Plague at the Wise is the greatest. I don't know. Trump's voice is like, first, quite frankly, it's a story CNN wouldn't tell you, okay? You have to let the hate flow through you. Okay, folks, you have to let the hate flow through you. He's too dangerous to be left alive.
Starting point is 01:56:16 But I can't. It's not the Jedi way. Do it. Your friends are the sanctuary moon. I have to fix my time. I shit the most lighting. This power station is quite apparational. I said,
Starting point is 01:56:27 I said, look, if you, if you entered, if you entered Ukraine airspace, we would use the Death Star
Starting point is 01:56:32 and I 10% meant it. We may have used the Death Star if they went to Ukraine. It's possible. Coruscant, Coruscant deserved it. Does Coruscant
Starting point is 01:56:40 actually get schwacked in the movie? Yo, not in the originals. No, in the new. Oh, I don't know. Coruscant? Yeah. I'm pretty sure he Yo, not in the originals. No, in the new. Oh, I don't know. Coruscant?
Starting point is 01:56:46 Yeah. I'm pretty sure he blows it up, right? I don't know. Oh, that's jumping the shark. Didn't he blow Coruscant up in the first one? No, that was Alderaan. Alderaan. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Coruscant gets blown up in the new one.
Starting point is 01:56:56 I guess. It's like a throwaway line. Like, oh yeah, we blew up the capital city and it's killing people. This time the Death Star's a planet and it doesn't fire one blast. It fires a bunch. It's like, whatever. Real original, guys. Alright, Amber Black says Chicken City should sponsor H3H3.
Starting point is 01:57:10 Done. Ethan! Have your people call my people. Chicken City will absolutely sponsor one of your episodes. I am not kidding. Send me your rates if they're reasonable. I mean, if they're like, we want some insane number, but if they legitimately are like, here's our normal rates, I'll be dude we want the chicken city commercial we want the
Starting point is 01:57:28 chicken city shout out from ethan klein i will take it chicken city is the most most wholesome show completely apolitical it is just chickens eating treats being chicken we're actually making kids cartoons and i wrote the chicken city theme song we also got the funniest like adult swim 2007 chicken cartoon it's like 20 or 30 seconds but it's a little too too racy for uh instagram i think i'll just say that when shamus and i when shamus and i were doing the vo like writing session on this i ad-libbed a very very very dark and then. And then when I sent the VO to our animator, Kent, I was like, hey, don't make that one. Yeah, I was like, I will not do that.
Starting point is 01:58:10 And then he sends me the clip like, it has been made. And it's hilarious. I tried posting it on Instagram, but Instagram shadowbanned it immediately. What was that show? It was like, Adam Carolla's on it. He was a pig. Oh my gosh. Drawn together. It was Adam Carolla? It was basically that kind of humor.
Starting point is 01:58:25 Yeah, that's what it reminds me of. That show was actually pretty wild. They made a movie with him. All right, we got JN who says, Magneto, Ian, watch Dr. Gene Kim talk about graphene. Regarding iron mixing with clay. McLeod, Seamus, can help him understand. Deuces.
Starting point is 01:58:40 All right, Magneto and McLeod. I appreciate the shout out. I don't understand the reference is that is that a highlander you know what send me a link on twitter to the video you're talking there can be only one yeah thank you there can be only one only one highlander man what a show or movie or both whatever it is wasn't like the show like every episode he like he killed the guy or something because they're gonna be only one it's so weird like will you just like go around killing everyone else well i know in the first movie they um they have this this like huge epic drawn out scottish highlander battle in like a
Starting point is 01:59:12 parking garage and i think that in general we need to do more to um be more grateful to parking garages for their contribution to the movies of the 1970s and 80s yeah it's got a lot of good lighting opportunities. Like everything since Watergate had to be, everything was in a parking garage. I thought they live at a great fight scene. Right outside of a parking garage. Right outside of a parking garage. All right.
Starting point is 01:59:35 Honda Driven says, Hey guys, I love the show and just became a member. Thank you very much. Thoughts on Russell Brand's podcast yesterday about the Great Reset. If you've watched it, I haven't, but Russell Brand has been hitting grand slams lately, hasn't he? His whole life.
Starting point is 01:59:49 He's actually really good in Death on the Nile. He's probably the best part of that movie. He's so good. He's like a polyglot. He's really, really excellent in that. He's like a master. And it's not a comedic role either. It's like a very serious, dramatic turn.
Starting point is 02:00:01 I love how they're smearing him. They're like, Russell Brand is now far right. I was so glad he got serious in 2011. He started to take stuff really seriously right around the time they were going to sell us out to the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Isn't that right when he and Katy Perry broke up? Yeah, I think so.
Starting point is 02:00:15 Changes a man. Seven Ninja says, Tim, will you ever do more tech news on your main channel or maybe on a sub-channel? For example, maybe there is news on development of geothermal energy. Well, what we're trying to do is make new shows and we're also trying to figure out the right way to do it because we want we want timcast.com to be big but also does it make sense for people who are you know driven by culture and politics
Starting point is 02:00:38 to you know see a story about a new cell phone they might might be like, so we do, do we do a broad general website or do we make like a network site and each individual like show has its own site with its own articles and stuff. And they verticals. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I think we're at the point where we couldn't justify launching independent
Starting point is 02:00:56 websites just yet, but we're probably going to get close to that. So there'll probably be, you know, Tim cast.com, which is like this show and my, my YouTube show. And then a little bit of everything, but then we'll probably give independent sites. So we will, be TimCast.com, which is like this show and my YouTube show and then a little bit of everything.
Starting point is 02:01:06 But then we'll probably give independent sites. So we have been planning a tech show because we have a hacker space that's barren and unused. We just need hackers to be in it. We have one of the best 3D printers money can buy, which is just sitting there unused. I'm disappointed. But expansion is not easy. You know, man, I don I want to say too much. But security stuff like expanding all of that.
Starting point is 02:01:29 It's brutal. It's brutal, man. That being said, I do think I saw a headline on energy that something about the Biden administration was looking about at spending seven billion on refurbishing nuclear sites in the US. Well, you know, our economy is doing well. Why not? Why not spend a whole lot of money. Just print it. Keep printing.
Starting point is 02:01:47 It's a good idea. All right. We'll grab one more. Skater Owned Solutions says, Tim, I'm down to my last dollars to give. Hope to catch your attention and get some advice on how I want to rebuild skate culture
Starting point is 02:01:57 in the right direction. Please check out my story on the skaterowned.solutions website or someone on your team. We need people who can build ramps. on the skaterowned.solutions website or someone on your team. We need people who can build ramps. So, you know, if you guys do ramp construction, we have a lot of stuff that has to get built.
Starting point is 02:02:16 Oh, yeah, you can email us, spendtheofo at gmail.com. If you do ramp construction, send us photos of the work you've done and we will hire you yesterday to do construction. Oh, for your personal work, man, take a at brett dasavik because that dude is diligent every day he skates and he makes videos and he pushes it out and he sells himself and then tim saw his work so do that as well actually what happened was over the pandemic rollerblading became way more popular because people started getting back into it sales started going up
Starting point is 02:02:43 and then i watched skateboarding videos but because of the because people started getting back into it. Sales started going up. And then I watched skateboarding videos. But because of the similarities, I started getting recommended roller skating and roller blading. And that's actually how I found Brett. I saw this video where he was like doing a grind on like a wooden stump or something. And I was like, this dude's willing to like, he'll skate anything. And so I hit him up. I'm like, hey, come out and film because we also had a scooter guy come out, a BMX guy
Starting point is 02:03:02 come out. I was like, I want to get everybody to like, you know, and then Brett stuck around and we got him on Pop Culture Crisis. So anyway, my friends, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, support the work we do at TimCast.com because your membership isn't just about necessarily what the website has to offer. It does, but it's about the mission that we're building and trying to expand. So, you know, hopefully you believe in the work we do. And if you do, you want to keep it going. So that's what your membership gets. And you will get to watch the members-only segment
Starting point is 02:03:28 coming up at about 11 p.m. tonight. You can follow the show at TimCastIRO, basically everywhere. Follow us on Instagram for clips. You can follow me at TimCast, basically everywhere. Jack, you have a book. Buy Pillow. I just would like to remind everyone to buy Pillow.
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Starting point is 02:04:02 I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. Please go over there check it out i think you guys will enjoy it we just released a cartoon today uh called the democrats brilliant midterm strategy i don't want to give away the punch line it's very short 30 seconds or so i think you guys will really like it follow me ian crossland.net if you want to get in touch and if you want to talk more about this uh twisting universe theory please contact me on minds or twitter get Very fun, very exciting future we have ahead of us. Bye.
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