Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #519 - Twitter ADMITS To FAKE USERS Count, People Claim ITS FRAUD w/Jon Nicosia

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

Tim, Ian, Seamus of FreedomToons, and Lydia join journalist Jon Nicosia to discuss Twitter's miscounted user numbers, Elon Musk's keen observation on the shifting Overton window, CNN+'s accelerated sh...utdown date, Joy Reid's abrupt exit from MSNBC, and Jon Stewart's awokening. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Twitter's new earnings report is out and I gotta say I called it. Their earnings were down. It was obvious. But in this revelation, in this document, we learned something else. And people are already claiming fraud twice. Twitter accidentally, so they say, inflated their user numbers. That means that when they sold advertisements, it was against false numbers. That means when Elon Musk agreed to buy the company, it was based on false numbers. And even the left-wing Verge, theverge.com says, how did this happen twice? Now, many of us are speculating on the weird shift in user growth. Right-leaning channels or right sphere of influence associated channels are seeing major gains. Left sphere of influence are seeing major decline. I think they
Starting point is 00:00:52 were running fake accounts. I think they were banning people on the right and creating fake accounts for people on the left. Since Tuesday, I have gained 100,000 followers, which is around 10% of my follower count. 10%. Strange, because I noticed a lot of other people have a similar number of around 8 to 10%. The weird thing is that it starts on Tuesday. On Monday, when the news broke, nothing. So we're going to get into all of that, and boy, is this story getting crazy. Then we also have Elon Musk tweeting a meme showing the left going super far left, leaving moderates on the right now. And we're going to talk about that because even Barack Obama is now a conservative,
Starting point is 00:01:28 according to CNN and the Washington Post. CNN Plus shut down two days early. They couldn't even fail by their fail date. They had to actually fail earlier than normal because it failed so bad. We got some stories out of Kenosha. Joy Reid is getting canceled. James Cen is quitting yo what's going on it's like all of a sudden the damn broke and now we're all charging the hill
Starting point is 00:01:51 to take the high ground sounds good let's talk about it joining us to talk about all of this is pronounce your i'm gonna pronounce your last name along nicosia nicosia all right well introduce yourself i'm john nicosia thereia. There you go. There you go. President of Cycle Media. Well, so what's your background? What do you do? So I'm in the media. I was at Mediate for eight years, then IJR, and then to the Washington Examiner as the breaking news editor.
Starting point is 00:02:18 I went a down thing and now just consulting. Right on. Breaking news. You've got some stories from the inner workings of the rise in digital media and all that stuff. So I think that'll be particularly interesting considering all the context we've got. Yeah, there's a lot going on. And I think there's a reset about to happen, certainly at CNN. And I think a site that big is going to create a wave, along with this happening with Twitter. I think there's a lot of opportunities for sites to reinvent themselves
Starting point is 00:02:48 because right now the amount of people who hate media outnumbers the people actually watching media. And I think you're going to start to see people like Reed and other people who have no audiences that are just kind of there. Brian Stelter and other people who just exist to set narratives are going to find that they don't have a job anymore. I don't think Brian Stelter has an audience. I genuinely mean that.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Yeah, I mean, it's baffling. I mean, there's a school of thought that he was there zucker's henchman which you know i happened to be there in january of 2017 when uh trump called uh um what's his name fake news pointed down jim acosta yeah jim acosta and i was sitting in the head of pr's office which is across from zucker's and seltzer had just come off the air and when he did it said, well, looks like we're going to war for four years. And they did. I mean, I thought it was a joke at the time. So I think Brian served a purpose for, I mean, you know, Brian was part of a website called
Starting point is 00:03:58 TV Newser back in the day that covered the media, you know, and he has some chops on that. And then, you know, everyone just fell apart during Trump. Trump broke him. We'll talk about that. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on. We talked a bit about with these personalities quitting and imploding, but we'll get to all that.
Starting point is 00:04:14 So thanks for hanging out, John. And we got to Seamus. Seamus. I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. We upload once a week with the exception of this week. We're actually going to be uploading extra content next week. So go over there, subscribe, hit the notification bell. I love you all.
Starting point is 00:04:26 I'm excited for the show. It's interesting you said that. Zucker said a four-year war was about to commence in 2017 because it does feel like they lost last year on CNN. My numbers also are up 2,000% on Twitter. I got 50 followers on those. 2,000%. And then I got 50 on Monday and then 1,115 on Tuesday. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:44 From 50 to 1,000. It feels like in the culture war that we won a big battle. A big battle was won when Elon put forth this buy deal, and now the enemy's in a route. It's as if we're taking multiple hill after hill, repositioning our strategic offense. It's true. It's like as soon as Elon, it's like you know uh like gandalf in uh battle for helms deep we we go for one last ride storming through the orcs and then we see up on the hill and the sunlight comes in and then all of a sudden the roherums are charging down but it's not just
Starting point is 00:05:16 as soon as that happened it's like all of a sudden every front like you were saying in just different fields are getting taken wow we'll talk about it you know this is why they have a ministry of truth now that they've announced. They know we're winning. They're starting to win. I think you're right. I think they're starting to notice the mainstream media is falling and that has been the PR wing of the Democratic Party. So I think that's why they're coming to this.
Starting point is 00:05:36 And I think people had a lot to say and now they're not as afraid with Elon out there. I think they see somebody putting money up to bring back some level of balance. Well, isn't it incredible how as soon as Elon Musk said he wanted to have more fair and equitable rules on the website that would allow people from both sides of the political aisle to voice their opinions, people on the left freaked out and then people on the right just
Starting point is 00:05:59 started posting like crazy. Well, we'll see. We'll see. I have a lot to say about this. So, of course, Lydia is pressing the button. Yeah, I am. That's what I'm doing in the corner. I'm just jumping in. Yeah, pushing buttons over here. All right. But we'll talk about that first big story where it looks like Twitter lied or was accidentally wrong. Before we get started, head over to timcast.com. Become a member to help support our work. As a member, you'll get access to exclusive segments of this show Monday through Thursday at 8 p.m. I'm sorry, at 11 p.m. I always do that. 11 p.m. These are the uncensored, not family-friendly versions of the show where we all swear quite a bit and get angry about stuff. And that's at TimCast.com. But as a member, you are supporting our journalists. We're going to
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Starting point is 00:07:18 all of this possible. So thank you guys so much. Let's check out this first story from The Verge. Twitter miscounted its daily users for three years straight. How did this happen twice? Yo, The Verge is a progressive website. When they point out you're doing something wrong, something must be really wrong. They report, Twitter overstated the number of daily users on its service for three years straight, overcounting by up to 1.9 million users each quarter. The error was due to Twitter inadvertently counting multiple accounts as active when they were all tied to a single user, even if they weren't in use. These incorrect usage numbers were given for Q1 2019 through Q4 2021. This somehow, this is somehow not the first
Starting point is 00:08:03 time Twitter has done this. In 2017, Twitter also realized it had been overstating its user figures by one to 2 million for three years. The repeat mistake was revealed today in Twitter's earnings release for the first quarter of 2022. Here's the amazing thing. The earnings report was bad. They were, they were down a bit. I think it was at like 30 million less. Let me just pull up the TimCast.com article. Twitter's earnings report shows missed revenue projections. They were projecting 1.23 billion, making only 1.2 billion. Now, that's not that bad, but their money is going down, and I predicted this. This likely, in my opinion, would have resulted in a stock drop off.
Starting point is 00:08:45 But because Elon has already agreed to buy it, stock is likely going up or staying the same. In fact, the fact that the stock isn't currently sitting at $54.20 says to me, there are some people who think the deal won't go through and it's possible. But this is big. And it could be a reason. Many people on Twitter are now saying this sounds like fraud, yo. Like Twitter was lying. They were lying to the advertisers.
Starting point is 00:09:08 They lied to Elon Musk. I don't think Elon Musk would decide not to buy the platform now. But I wonder what this means for the deal. And I wonder what it means for Twitter's executives. Is anybody going to get in trouble? Yeah, I mean, Elon's ability to negotiate downwards. Also, of course, let's point out the fact that Twitter, which has decided that they would take it upon themselves to determine what was or was not misinformation in the outside world, would not even deliver accurate figures on how their website was doing. I'll tell you, man, I worked behind the scenes at Mines developing that company for a decade, and there is no way that they did not know that one person with five accounts is not one person.
Starting point is 00:09:46 They're intentionally allowing that to play to overvalue the company. This is insidious. Let's drive that home. I don't know that for sure, of course. I can't prove that. Let's drive this point home. Ian, you were a co-founder at Minds.com, a social media platform with millions of users. You've seen internals. You actually a social media platform with millions of users. Yeah. You watched, you've seen internals.
Starting point is 00:10:05 You actually moderated the platform. Yeah. In your expert opinion, having run social media infrastructure, Twitter knew that that was wrong. I bet so. There are 7,500. Yes. Yes. There are so many employees at that company.
Starting point is 00:10:18 7,500 plus employees. I would imagine 30%, probably 10% of them knew. That's a good point too. Not a single person said, hey, wait a minute, guys. I think if you've got a company that knows if somebody misgendered somebody, if somebody can shut them down and are that deep into the daily workings of their site that they didn't somehow know how many people were using it as kind of... They might be calculating daily active logins, which is the dirty game to play because it's
Starting point is 00:10:52 the one person logs into five different accounts, then it's still one person. Well, I mean, look, if they couldn't figure out how many people were using their website, all I have to say is they need to learn to code. Yeah, that's a fair point. I knew somebody was going to say that. Yeah, we're waiting for it. Yeah, they do going to say that. Yeah, we were waiting for it. Yeah, they do need to learn that. But I don't know what happens.
Starting point is 00:11:09 Does anything happen? I mean, look, we're seeing a lot of victories across the board, but does anybody really believe someone will be held accountable for this stuff? I predict that there's
Starting point is 00:11:17 going to be a lot more that's going to come out of this closet at Twitter, that this is going to be less of the problem that I think we're going to find out as far as what's been being manipulated over the last X amount of years.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Well, as we pointed out earlier, you know, in the intro and the other day, this weird conspiracy theory that I think is backed up by more than enough circumstantial evidence to say there should be a probe. I believe there should be a criminal investigation because Jack Dorsey as well. I can't remember who else but i'm pretty sure other people from twitter have testified before congress under oath i'm pretty sure they were all under oath right yep and saying they did not have political blocks or anything like that now we're seeing serious circumstantial evidence that that was not true of course i'm not confident anybody would do anything about it well during hacking, when we were talking about the day the blue checks disappeared, there was screenshots that were sent out that showed there was a box to click for shadow banning.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Like that was a real thing that got out that they kind of whisked away. But there was a lot of there's a lot of stuff that did come up after that popped up that they showed these screenshots. I mean the bigger day was that it had been hacked, but then there were all of these screenshots that popped up that there was this console that showed that there was an ability to kind of quiet certain users. Here's the game they play though. So if we go back to 2018, we have this story from Endgadget. Twitter's shadow banning bug unfairly filtered 600 000 accounts jack dorsey confirms this they say you know our algorithms were unfairly filtering 600 000 accounts including some members of congress from our search auto complete but how did it happen blah blah blah blah blah you know they would say but it was not
Starting point is 00:13:00 political but it is wasn't intentional the game they'll play is, right now, Elon Musk, he posted the meme of me and Vijay Gade, and it's like the circle where it's like, here's left-wing bias. And a bunch of leftists were like, is misgendering really political? They're arguing that purposefully deadnaming someone is political, and I'm like, it is.
Starting point is 00:13:22 It is not a moral statement. Conservatives do not agree with your worldview and define things differently. It is inherently political. They don't accept that. So they argue it's not political. So then they'll say, well, we're talking about pronoun use has nothing to do with politics, right? Well, they're completely full of it. They know that referring to something as nonpolitical is just a useful rhetorical tool. everything is political exactly so they'll say everything is political but then when it comes to something they want to be taken for granted they'll say this isn't political human rights aren't political it's like well actually the reason a political system exists to a large
Starting point is 00:13:57 extent is for us to figure out on a political scale how we treat each other so yes it is but also most of these mistakes that if you look back to over the years that were happening just coincidentally were happening to conservatives i mean over you didn't see like sir uh sank and uh all these giant liberals on the right on the left you know their their accounts being shadow banned or losing people or being for that matter being suspended for anything um the the red-headedarian, a good friend of ours, Josie, that's her Twitter, follow her at TRHLofficial. She was banned on January 20th of 2021 and reinstated abruptly this year, randomly on Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:14:39 And she said, has this happened to any prominent left-wing profile? No, not a single one have has anybody seen anybody look i follow people on the left i interact with them i have not seen a single person on the left be like whoa my account was just brought back that's so weird i've never met a person on the left that had their accounts suspended yeah everybody brought back there there are there are a handful of people anti-war oh yeah well anti-war anti-establishment leftists they got nuked. That's funny. Or people on the left who were part of that rare breed that actually spoke out against the COVID restrictions.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Right, right. Yeah. Several people from Occupy Wall Street had their accounts nuked. And I think it was because what we're really seeing is establishment versus anti-establishment. And because the people associated with the sphere of influence, the right order, if you want to call it, are anti-establishment, they're more likely to get hit. But there were. So Project Veritas did an expose, and they found that – I think it's live action. Right? Live action?
Starting point is 00:15:39 That would be Lila Rose's group. Yes. They were being censored by – I think it was Pinterest. That's right. But in that blacklist, I think it was Pinterest. In the blacklist was also anti-media, I think it was. One of these anti-war groups. Yeah, it was anti-media group. It was anti-media.
Starting point is 00:15:55 And Scott Horton, he's from... He's anti-war. He's anti-war, okay. So the anti-media guys are like fairly anti-war. And I said, hey, that's a big deal too. I think what's really happening is if you are in line with the establishment, they don't care in what capacity. Right. You're protected.
Starting point is 00:16:11 So being pro-war, look at these conservatives, I'm doing air quotes, who are staunchly pro-war and align themselves with Democrats. They're all fine. Yeah, exactly. I don't think Liz Cheney is going to get shadow banned anytime soon. I don't think anyone was ever concerned about that for her. Do you guys think that corporations should be allowed to have blacklists, social media networks? No. Well, what do you mean by that?
Starting point is 00:16:30 Do you have, like, behind-the-scenes lists that they can put you on that might not change the way that you see the network? It depends on the network, I suppose. I think the change has to come once a platform reaches a certain size. So if you have a blog that reaches 100,000 people and it's like a cowboy living blog and you allow people to post their cowboy stories, I think it makes sense to be like, hey, it can only be cowboy stuff. But if you have Twitter, which markets itself to everyone and it's open to all to have the free speech wing of the free speech party, and then you start deciding, no, no, no, no. At that point, there's something bad going on.
Starting point is 00:17:07 I mean, there were rulings that when Trump was banning people when he was president, that he had to unban them. I think there was a case. So, I mean, I think the courts were getting to a point where the courts eventually are going to weigh in on this, that, you know, a town square certainly has a certain level of protection that I think is kind of just weight making its way through the system, but we'll get there. Yeah. And you know, Trump wasn't even banning people. He was just blocking. That's why I meant, no, it's true. But also we were talking
Starting point is 00:17:36 about this, I believe two episodes ago, but that would be pretty in line with the decision of Marsh v. Alabama. Again, I'm no lawyer, but it was basically decided by the Supreme Court in 1946 that even if you own a company town and it's your own private property, if you open yourself up to the public square to a large enough extent, you have to import
Starting point is 00:17:54 the First Amendment, basically, or the civil rights that would be due to the people in that jurisdiction. I think that makes sense. What about Verizon? Verizon now. Phone companies?
Starting point is 00:18:04 Yeah. Public? No, they're a common care utility. They shouldn't be allowed to do that. They should have to provide service. But you know what they do? They play dirty games. So AT&T wouldn't let me open an account unless I gave them cash up front.
Starting point is 00:18:17 And I was like, I have literally no – I don't want AT&T that bad. Because when you travel, you want multiple networks. So particularly, we have a cellular bonding unit for when we're on the road that combines a bunch of different cell signals into one.
Starting point is 00:18:31 That way you can do better broadcast stuff. So I said, the best thing to do is to get multiple networks to avoid congestion. And AT&T was like, oh, you can sign up here,
Starting point is 00:18:41 but you got to give us 600 bucks up front. And then I was like, you want me to give you 600 bucks in cash right now just to sign up? And then what happens to that money? We hold it. It's like, I don't need your service, dude.
Starting point is 00:18:49 But that's one thing they do to block you. So imagine you make $20 an hour. Can you afford to make a deposit that large? This is what they do to poor people to say, we are not blocking them from the service. We just need a security deposit, not blocking them from the service. We just need a security deposit, which blocks them from the service. I don't think you would need a lot of these laws and stuff. If people, that's why I think when Musk put that, you know, the poll out, do you feel that this is a fair? And it was 70% no to free speech. I think most Americans are kind of even keeled and they
Starting point is 00:19:23 can see, I think if both sides felt that they were being treated fairly, there would be no problem. That's not possible. Right, right. The issue is I'd like you all to imagine something. Imagine there is a big sphere of water and there's a right side of it and a left side of it. At some point, a small bud started to emerge on the left side and get bigger. It got bigger and bigger and bigger until it eventually budded off and flopped onto the ground. That same sphere
Starting point is 00:19:49 still has a left and a right, but now there's this new sphere, multicultural democracy, staring at its parent, constitutional republic. So that budded sphere of influence doesn't care for principles or morals. It wants power. It wants to grow.
Starting point is 00:20:05 It will never be satisfied. So there's no making it happy. Elon Musk says he wants everyone to be equally happy or upset. I'm like, ain't going to happen. Usually when the buds fall off the tree, they get eaten by like a zebra who walks away and poops it out somewhere else. That's how the trees spread their seed. So maybe that's what this is. I think it's withering. I think what we're seeing now with Twitter and panic, with these weird algorithmic changes, with CNN Plus collapsing, with Joy Reid losing her job, with Gordon, with James Gordon quitting, with all of these things, what we're seeing is that it can't survive on its own. It butted off, but it has no source of energy. And so people like Cenk Uygur and Brian Stelter and all these people who decided to join that sphere are now watching the walls close in on them as it dries out, as its life energy is evaporating all around it, unable to sustain itself, and they'll regret it.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Well, I think it has to do with also like ratings. There has to be anger and a reason for people to come to something. And if you look at ratings on MSNBC versus CNN, you know, if there's a giant terror attack, you're guaranteed that CNN is going to beat everyone because people run to these things. And I think that these types of these types of products pull people towards it. And, you know, there was a giant people. There were a lot of people invented during the Trump era that fed off of the rage. Well, so let me let me pull up this next story from the Daily Mail. It's actually just a meme. Elon Musk hints he's shifted to the right over the last 14 years. No, no, Daily Mail. That is not what he's saying. It's hilarious. As liberals morphed into woke progressives. He is not saying he shifted to the right. He's quite literally saying he has not moved at all in this image.
Starting point is 00:21:43 I believe it's a meme from Colin Wright. That's correct yeah that's congratulations colin very cool uh he posted a meme of me and now a meme of you it is just a win winning week for us in 2008 you can see there's the right-wing conservatives the left-wing liberals and there's me left of center and it says my fellow liberal in 2012 the left started moving way far left. And now me was closer to the center because left and right were spreading further apart. By 2021, me, the character in the comic, has stayed in the exact same place. But the left has gone so far left that me is now closer to conservative. And you know what's funny? Elon Musk posted that. I always mix the next word up in Elon Musk. Elon Musk posted that. And I said, that perfectly explains this show and me. We are not conservatives.
Starting point is 00:22:33 We have always been, well, Seamus is conservative. I'm conservative, definitely. But I mean, like me personally and, you know, the stuff I've been working on, you know, I got started covering news and media with Occupy Wall Street. I was politically active writing punk music and protesting war with all these liberals, voting for Obama in 2008. And then throughout the next... Bernie Sanders, he was opposed to immigration. He said open borders was a Koch brothers proposal. He wanted to help the working class. He said gun rights was an urban versus rural issue. And I'm like, I like, I like, I like this guy. He's been consistent. He's standing up for these things. I can respect that. And then Bernie decided to run along with the left as did
Starting point is 00:23:13 so many other personalities and they sacrificed any sense of principle and conviction for tribe. So here I am standing in the same place and other like your right wing. And I'm like, that's exactly my point. So you've got this memes posted and this dude, this guy, Max, a verified Twitter user posts it and says, the right literally tried to overthrow the government. The left nominated Joe Biden. And I'm like, you're proving the point. Nearly every single right wing person condemned what happened on January 6th said it was wrong. Some of those prominent right-wing individuals all said the violence was a big mistake and they shouldn't have done it. You didn't just elect Joe Biden. You are pushing for strange, secret sexual
Starting point is 00:23:57 conversations among children. You have now, there's outright leftist policy like Bernie Sanders wants 20% of corporations to be owned by the workers. And you have, my friends, the Green New Deal. This is what I referenced. If you look at my videos, it was back in 2018, I think, when AOC was talking about the Green New Deal, I said, fantastic.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I love the idea. The government should be taking this tax money and investing in wind farms, solar energy, roads, bridges. Let's get the infrastructure built back up because these bridges are crumbling. We can't live this way. AOC is finally about to announce the Green New Deal. And I'm like, let's see it.
Starting point is 00:24:33 And she goes, free health care for black people. And I'm like, OK, wait, hold on. All right. You want to have a conversation about racial issues and, you know, they say people of color. I'm down. But what does this have to do with wind farms so here i am actually looking at environmental policy instead what do we get critical race theory so i'm not taking away seamus well no i mean this is something we see the left doing constantly you guys all know my theory uh leftism is just a word that we give to social
Starting point is 00:25:02 decay things change very quickly when they're breaking down. So you demolish a building, it falls a lot more quickly than it took to put the thing together in the first place. Of course, there are a lot of people who are considered to be on the left who are now looked at as right-wing figures. And not only that, but far-right figures. Now, I'm only 27 years old, and yet I am old enough to remember when you had to be conservative in order to be considered far right. Now you can be a pretty middle-of-the-road moderate type or even a soft liberal and be considered far right. I can straight up be like, well, I, for one, think we need a progressive tax and universal basic health care.
Starting point is 00:25:37 And they're like, he's far right. He's far right. Well, it's just a pejorative now. It's just a label like anything else to put you down call you a racist far right and then people hope after the first label you don't read about what you're actually saying i like that's alt right because like yeah what is that is that up it's like it's all right actually down well it's the new nazi you don't have one right was the was the kind of during during trump was the alternative rock and the the alt-right had a lot in common with the woke left
Starting point is 00:26:06 in terms of their racial ideologies. So racism. In fact, that's actually how the alt-right explained it in many circumstances, that it was actually expressed to me that the alt-right is basically Black Lives Matter for white people. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:21 The white purity movement is exactly that. No, no, no. White purity? That's a bit much. It's like pride. No, no, no. White pride. What they were literally saying was, matter for white people yeah yeah white purity movement yes it's exactly no no white purity that's a bit much you know what they were like pride no no no white pride what they were literally saying was it's okay to be white you you you can you can accuse them of secretly believing whatever they want what many of these guys were publicly saying was white rights right i had a lot of all we're trying to do is make sure that you know we have equal rights and look you can call them liars but that's what they were publicly stating.
Starting point is 00:26:45 I had a lot of moderate minds. I'd see a lot of white purity stuff that was really annoying. That's totally different. I mean, that's white purity stuff. Yeah, but that's, I think, where the alt-right came from is they thought that that was this dangerous racist,
Starting point is 00:26:56 white racist movement. But Black Lives Matter is very similar. I'm not going to say the exact same thing, but it's also like a race movement. The general idea which allowed the literal neo-Nazis to recruit very similar. I'm not going to say the exact same thing, but no, the general idea, which allowed the, uh, like literal neo-Nazis to recruit was that they were going to young white men
Starting point is 00:27:10 who were frustrated for a variety of reasons, couldn't find work. And they were saying, Hey, do you see all those memes, all those news stories about how white people are bad and evil? Doesn't that frustrate you and make you angry? Join us.
Starting point is 00:27:22 And they would say, okay, my grievance has now been addressed yeah it'd be a normal guy would be like okay fine and then he'd make a post that would say it's okay to be white and you'd be like and then they'd be like oh he's he's indicating racism this is a racist movement you know and then the left it's there's this kind of push on both sides and then you know you make this symbol this firefighter made and now he's a white national. And there was this whole media circus behind all of it that took, you know, I'm sure there are plenty of, you know, white supremacist fringes in that movement. But the vast majority of them were probably just guys saying, I'm a straight white guy.
Starting point is 00:27:59 What's wrong with me? And then you get this pushback from the left saying you're this, that and the thing and you make them more extreme because you're continually trying to one-up each other yeah i mean and when you look at how hard the left has to reach and grasp its draws in order to conjure up any kind of narrative of america being a white supremacist country basically all the hate crime narratives we hear end up being completely false upon further investigation they don't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. Every single time they accuse someone of being racism, it's because they dog whistled a dog whistle,
Starting point is 00:28:30 which was also a dog whistle that could possibly have some racist meaning behind it. That only they could hear, and somehow only left-wing people end up hearing. But also you would hear things like Asian hate, Asian hate, Asian hate, and then you would look further, and it was a black guy with an Asian girl. Black guy, black. And then you watched in the media that the race, which was just part of, as being an editor, you would ask their age, and normally their race,
Starting point is 00:28:53 normally, just started to vanish. So if it was a group of five black kids, it would just save five people. If it was five white men doing something to somebody else, you'd see something. Especially if it was a white guy going after an Asian, they would always show that it was five white men doing something to somebody else, especially if it was a white guy going after an Asian, they would always show that it was a white guy. And then they found out that it was a lot of brothers.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Even more insidious, I'm not sure if you all remember, a couple of years ago, there was a group of black young adults who kidnapped a white young adult with autism and tortured him for days. And it was a consistent trend that in media they were referred to as kids and he was referred to as a man right even though they were all over the age of 18 oh that's weird yep because and it's the same thing whenever you have any kind of racial narrative if the white person is the victim and they're attacked by another minority group or a minority group um then the race is left out of it but if there's a minority being attacked by a white person of course the
Starting point is 00:29:50 racial identity is front and center ethnic identity is front and center in the report it feels like there's a very small minority of vocal racists that were like white supremacist racists that use social media to amplify it and then there's a very small minority of black supremacists these people that are like trying to run the black racist movement. And we're caught in the middle. Most people are. And they're like, what in the hell? But then it starts to seep into the politics. And then you're like, oh, God, we got to take control of our government. I want to pull this tweet from Nate Silver. He says, folks, it's not that hard. The left has moved to the left in the US and the right has moved to the right. What? That's not true. No. Pew Research actually tracked.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And I think they did this based on the language used by both parties. Yes. It is plain to see. The right has moved a little bit to the right. Okay, fine. Fair point. The left has gone completely off the rails. So from where I'm standing, I can't even see where the left is.
Starting point is 00:30:44 I'm like, what are they doing? I look over to my right and I'm like, oh, there's a guy who doesn even see where the left is i'm like what are they doing i look over to my right and i'm like oh there's a guy who doesn't believe in gay marriage i'm like but but that's recognizable to me i disagree but i've seen that before the difference as a gay man let me just tell you that the the difference was in the past if you weren't against gay marriage that was fine you know that was one. Now the left has to destroy you for that view. That's how, so the old left would just be like, you know, give them a chance. It's not going to change your life. And now they're finding out where you work so they can tell you're a blast, you're a homophobe.
Starting point is 00:31:17 That's the, from a gay man's point of view, who looks at all this insanity and sees that, I've seen that change where you could just disagree like say i don't think that i think it's a traditional thing that you know man and a woman go have your civil unions fine the liberal in the audience would be just like oh you know you should really think that over now the liberal in the audience gets on twitter tells them who you are and has you fired and that's how far the left have gone with these types of and you can pick any topic and they'll do the same thing yeah i do believe that the the right has gone further right it's just been banned off of social media because i i had to administer these people on
Starting point is 00:31:57 minds like i saw them exodus from twitter youtube and facebook and like they were very extreme yeah i think what's happened is when i think I hate to keep saying Trump all the time, but when he came along, an industry popped up where you had this disinformation and fact, for some reason, we had social media for years that didn't need fact checkers. CNN was from the 80s
Starting point is 00:32:19 and didn't have a front and focal fact checker that needed to come out every 10 minutes, Dale, and tell you what was right. That's what the journalist was supposed to do. And I think what happened over the years was that the highlighting of these terrible things were amplified. And so an event occurred. There was six people. Now there's white nationalism. And then Trump must like that.
Starting point is 00:32:42 And then all the – just like if you're a conservative today then you agreed that people should burn down the capital i mean that's where we are in in your discord these days if you're conservative or you voted for trump then you think that the riots were fine and i want to i want to i want to point out another big issue in all of this too and i have this pew research democrats and republicans more ideologically divided than in the past and we can see 9404, 2014. This is the chart that's often cited by many people. There's another one that updates it and it shows a later year, I think 2018.
Starting point is 00:33:12 You can see in this chart at the very least that in the 90s, Democrats and Republicans overlapped greatly. In 2004, they did quite a bit. Republicans had a bit more. By 2014, the Democrats have moved much further left than the Republicans have moved to the right. You can see by looking down here at the bottom right. Now, the Democrats jumped, I think, like three or four points to the left, and the Republicans have moved like one or two. Here's the fascinating thing. Nate Silver has another bit of data from Pew Research saying
Starting point is 00:33:40 the exact opposite. This killed me. This shows the Democrats staying static and the Republicans going to the far right. But Nate Silver also said Hillary was going to win. Ooh. But these are both from Pew Research. Right. So what'll happen is Nate Silver chooses this and says, see, the Republicans went far right. And then what did we just cite a moment ago?
Starting point is 00:33:58 I cited the data saying the opposite. So I just, I throw this in the garbage. I'll tell you this. The only real change I've had in my politics is gun rights. I used to be kind of middle of the road like, eh, maybe there could be some gun control. And now I'm like, no gun control. Everybody gets 50 BMGs. Everything else is basically the same.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Mine is social medicine. I used to be all about it. But now I see these people that just eat crappy food and refuse to stop. I'm not going to pay for them. I mean no one with any sense can take a chart like that seriously.. It's just something that left wing people believe in because they buy into all the hate hoaxes they hear from the media. And they genuinely believe that America has become a fascist country because Donald Trump was elected fairly in 2016. We did a video about this for Freedom Tunes where we debunked a similar analysis that Carlos Maza was using.
Starting point is 00:34:45 And so we sort of went through it and pulled it apart. But in order to get figures like this, the one that we debunked specifically, which I'm sure uses a similar methodology, basically put Obama and Harry Truman on the same level with respect to how far to the left they were. Anyone who knows anything about history or either of those men will tell you that that's absolutely ridiculous. And you mentioned earlier that Obama is on the right, technically speaking, or according to the analysis you brought up earlier, he was the most
Starting point is 00:35:13 far left president we had ever had up until the point when he was elected. He campaigned on universal health care, a dramatic and complete overhaul of our health care system to the left. That was substantial. And as a senator in Illinois, he voted against the Born Alive Act, which would prevent you from being able to kill the child after they were born if the abortion failed. Let me address this tweet from Sawyer Hackett, who responded to Nate Silver. Sawyer is a blue check, co-host of Our America podcast. And he says, the left, health healthcare should be free, I think. The right, Washington is run by a cabal of child trafficking pedos, and we should violently
Starting point is 00:35:50 overthrow them. Both sides, am I right? Well, let's break this down. The left is some people who think healthcare should be free. But would that include me? Well, I just said, I think we should have universal basic healthcare. I say that all the time. No, it doesn't include me? Well, I just said I think we should have universal basic health care. I say that all the time. No, it doesn't include me. I also don't think Washington is run by a cabal of child trafficking, you know, whatever. I think that's just corrupt people doing corrupt things. I do think people like Epstein have a strange amount of influence among powerful global elites, but that's a fact. So what is he really referring to?
Starting point is 00:36:22 What they're doing is either they're completely blind or they lie as a means to an end. When they say by any means necessary, when they smash windows, when they kill, when they lie, cheat, and steal, and then they look at a group of 800 or so people who violently rioted at the Capitol, and we sit here and say, that was wrong. They shouldn't have done that. And those who are violent will go to prison. They ignore that outright. When they lie and make up things about the parental rights and education bill, this is the game they play. Now, there are people on
Starting point is 00:36:49 the right who play a similar game for sure. But look, I'm approaching this from, I read different news sources. I use ground.news and look at the bias and ownership of these news outlets. They can show you if it's conglomerate, private interest. They can tell you if it's left-leaning or right-leaning. And what I find is that on the right, for whatever reason, someone like Ben Shapiro, one of the most prominent conservative personalities, whether or not people like him, he's very famous with one of the biggest podcasts in the country, the world. And he is a very moderate conservative guy. He's not far right. He's got your traditional conservative positions, and he bases his assessments on fact. On the left, you have people like Rachel Maddow, who for years said insane things about Russia.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Cenk Uygur, who just called for intervention in Ukraine because he thinks Russians are staging the waging this war because they want to kill gay people. You have people like Joy Reid, who didn't she claim that she was hacked? Yes. But did they debunk that? No, she wasn't hacked. She had written all these anti-gay homophobic things. And then, you know, she was going to get investigated. And then that vanished. Lies. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Let me go through. Should we go through the lies again? I mean, do we really have to keep doing this list? We only have like an hour and a half left. I don't know if you can. Kyle Rittenhouse. The Daily Beast has now been rated as caution. fake news. I'm adding the fake news, but caution, you know, very big violation of journalistic ethics by NewsGuard. And it's primarily because everything they report on
Starting point is 00:38:14 Kyle Rittenhouse was wrong and they refuse to correct it. That's the left. That is the establishment. And it is the people who are like, you know, you've got these leftist personalities who are like, well, I don't like the Democrats. I'm on the people who are like, you know, you've got these leftist personalities who are like, well, I don't like the Democrats. I'm on the left. But you all should vote for Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a corrupt authoritarian. And these people supported him.
Starting point is 00:38:33 So spare me. At the very least, I can explain Donald Trump. He's a bull rampaging through the ivory tower. Don't like him and the things he does. That's fine. He was a bull rampaging through the ivory tower. I could accept that. But I like some of his policies. They play this game where they're obtuse on purpose or
Starting point is 00:38:49 they're genuinely just broken people. Well, they also in the media, they'll just leave facts out. And they do look at the Covington kids. You can go down the list of things. And if you own the shop like they do, they're not going to report it. And they've lived through this whole existence where they're not used to being called out. And they, you know, Roger Adell said to me once about, you know, and he's famously said to it in public that, you know, there's 30 liberal sites and organizations on the left and there's just us. And they can't, they lose their mind over us. And it's because they call fox like the canary in the coal mine so you notice if you've watched fox and god only knows i lived my life doing this for a living which was they've been talking about the border
Starting point is 00:39:35 for months and months and months and now all of a sudden you start to see this creep into cnn and title 42 and what are we going to do and you you're like, if you've been watching Fox, you've heard about it since, you know, last year when they were coming across the border. So the media has famously, when it comes to writing about the left or the right, they will pick and it's the gay, you know, the gay don't say gay bill, you know, nothing in the bill said gay. And yet it's, if you looked at the headlines, they just copied and pasted. Off they went. Just because I've worked in newsrooms.
Starting point is 00:40:10 It's a bunch of 20-year-old people afraid to not go on a date. And it's a bunch of old editors who are afraid to get yelled at on Twitter. Afraid to not go on a date? Afraid that they won't. I've seen it in conservative new rooms in D.C. where you still have young people who are quote unquote conservatives, but they are very in tune to what people are saying to them about them on Twitter because they have to live in this liberal city.
Starting point is 00:40:36 And so it affects, you know, it affects, you know, what we're seeing with everything is fierce ability to come back at people. Like, you know know you do and other people they you know you will say what you mean and not worry about it whereas you have so many people who are terrified because they see what happens to people they get canceled i mean you know this libs of tiktok comes out there and just basically just rewrites what people not saying you didn't change the video yeah it's like hillary's emails nothing of those emails were made up that's what they said you know let people read them and all these people are crazy the libs of tiktok is the perfect example she has a million followers now because of these people
Starting point is 00:41:14 but they are so threatened by just but all it did was bring and take the filter out of the media because you think the media is going to go look at what people are saying about kids being taught this or that in school because those are the. Take a look at this story from 2019. When did Barack Obama become a Republican? Oh boy. I don't know. How about this one from the Washington Post? November 22nd, 2019. Barack Obama, conservative. Yeah. So when they're like, the right has moved to the right. And also Barack Obama, who's in favor of universal health care as a conservative and Republican. Y'all have lost the plot. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:41:46 There's not even a point to reading through this stuff at this point. Well, here's the thing. Barack Obama is not to the left as the niche far left ideology that like some 16 year old on Twitter is posting about. Therefore, he's on the right. Right. All right. I can't contribute because I don't know what the right and the left are anymore. Donald Trump was a liberal guy that ran for the Republican Party
Starting point is 00:42:07 tribe, it's tribe I guess so, and depending on where you're standing I think it's a community but Trump was the guy, I said this before when you were the boomer me or Gen X yelling at the TV, he yelled back for years they would scream at the TV, he yelled back. For years, they would scream at the TV about immigration or something. And for once, a politician actually yelled back at them and they
Starting point is 00:42:32 heard them like somebody heard me yelling and they went out in droves. I have friends up in Massachusetts who were staunch liberals who were like, you know what? I'm going to vote for him because I've seen Hillary and I don't want that. But he speaks to me. Now, you know, 10 years ago as a conservative, you know, you'd be thrown out if you even a hint that you cheated on your wife. And now that's fine because people were so sick of being talked down to that, you know, the flyover states and this and that, that he hit a nerve in people. And everyone, you know, the people voted for him, remember him in the 80s. They weren't, you know, they remember Ivanka.
Starting point is 00:43:09 They remember that whole show of a mess that took place in his life. They knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but they wanted to blow that city up. And, you know, it blew up the media, him, everyone around him. And, you know, it changed America forever. You mentioned some of the misdeeds in trump's personal life the left spent years telling us that we shouldn't care how a person conducts themselves in their private life what we should care about are the policies policies they support as if a political leader is just a set of policies and not a person who has to make moral decisions by
Starting point is 00:43:40 the people that they're committed to and then Trump comes along and he absolutely did not follow the rules that I, as a Christian and many conservatives would say that a political leader should, but he didn't hate us. He didn't absolutely detest us like virtually every other political leader of my lifetime has. And so conservatives said, you know what, we'll take this guy. And the left went, but don't you care about his personal life? Didn't, didn't he call Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig? Yes, he called her a fat pig. And everyone was laughing and screaming and cheering.
Starting point is 00:44:13 Yeah. I mean, you know, he, he said things that a lot of people thought and it was people, you know, he, you're right. He, he didn't, he's a billionaire who should look down from his tower, but for whatever reason, if you talk to these people, especially people at some of these events with him, and it was like a god showed up because it's a lot of people who spent a lot of years caring about the country and watching it tick away. Now, he was flawed, and you can say what you want about him,
Starting point is 00:44:44 but his heart was at least in the right place from their point of view. And, you know. We need – Americans want to be involved in the political processes. They should be. And the presidents are representatives. So for a president to respond to you and allow themselves to be changed by your opinions, that's the point. I think he embodied that. And that's why a lot of people really like Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:45:04 And I also want to mention this on the point of his personal life and his private life. It's not as if we just had this abundance of very well-conducted moral people to choose from for president of the United States. You didn't have the most moral person who had ever lived running next to Donald Trump. It was Trump versus Hillary Clinton. In the Republican primaries, it was Trump versus a bunch of swamp creatures for the most part not all of them but i when i saw hillary in 2016 i just laughed i was like you think i'm gonna vote for that you're insane so this lady was like warmonger of warmongers but she put the first female president and you know what she doesn't believe all women if you're monica lewinsky let me pull up this next story here so i've got some
Starting point is 00:45:50 good news let's let's talk about where we're heading cnn plus to cease on thursday two days earlier than announced cnn plus couldn't even fail on schedule right oh that's wow that is brutal well this is a this is a big change. I mean, CNN put $300 million, I believe, into it, right? Yes. $300 million. And, you know, the story behind it is, you know, somebody I know at Discovery called it an ego project, basically,
Starting point is 00:46:21 a Zucker ego project. And it was tossed in by the guy who left there kind of as uh we wanted this we're going to do it you're stuck with it and i don't think anyone thought that they were just going to shut it down because you know that's a pretty big move to bring over chris wallace and so forth now i had reported that when chris got over there he was you know having people count like interns count how many times he was furious because you know the staff was different it wasn't as big of an operation his ego one of the little secrets is like most of these anchors hate each other like there's very few people like don lemon and and cuomo you just have these little chit chats with boy when cuomo left lemon couldn't talk about him bad as fast as he could. And, you know, like, famously
Starting point is 00:47:06 Wallace and Tapper hate each other. The problem was, when Zucker left, he left this giant vacuum of power, because he was hands-on. And, you know, the thought that, and my old boss, Dan Abrams, did a thing once, right when this launched, was like,
Starting point is 00:47:21 who thought this would be a good idea? Like, who thought you wanted to watch? And Tucker, like, somebody said to me, and I was kind of invested, but not super launched was like who thought this would be a good idea like who thought you wanted to watch and tucker like somebody said to me and i was kind of invested but not super was like you know that tapper has a book show on this i'm like a book show we're gonna listen to him talk about books on streaming and i remember thinking to myself that can't be true and there it was and you know i've been in the media 15 years, and not only is there a city bubble in New York and D.C., there's also a media bubble within them that they think that they live in this moment, and they live in these big, important roles. And if you try to question their judgment or disrupt their judgment on how things should work,
Starting point is 00:48:03 and, you know, it's kind of like when Facebook years ago said pivot to video and all these companies spent millions of dollars spending on video equipment and then nothing happened because, I guess, millennials wanted 15-second videos, not 30-second videos. But this was, you know, we need a streaming service because the kids are watching streaming. And most people think to themselves, it had to be like a lot of focus groups and stuff yeah they paid money to be told that
Starting point is 00:48:28 this would work when if you asked a person on the corner would this a homeless person who had a bear in like had watched cable in the last five years would say god no he wouldn't you know he'd you know but they did good did they not do? They did a study. And I can't remember whether it was KPMG. And I don't want to. But it was one of the big ones that said this will be X amount of X whatever. Now, to be fair, when when Zucker came on, when he took over, he introduced documentaries. Now you look at CNN today and you think, wow, they have some pretty good documentaries. And people made fun of him when he did that. So he's
Starting point is 00:49:06 had some good ideas. Let's just say that if they had endless amounts of money and endless amounts of time, maybe once no one had cable anymore, and this was the only way to watch CNN, it might have worked. But when Discovery comes in and has, you know, X amount of billions of
Starting point is 00:49:22 dollars in debt, and this thing is costing and, you know, Wallace is making seven million. I mean, that's what they. They're paying him seven million. Oh yeah, absolutely. Had to be about seven to ten million dollars because that's about what Lemon and those people make.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Now, the odds are that Wallace is probably going to end up with Cuomo's own time slot at nine. Because you got this guy. What are you going to do with him? He's a good brand. The problem with him, when I reported this, he has no beachhead both sides hate him equally like the left hate him because he was near fox the fox people hate him because he couldn't just be quiet
Starting point is 00:49:55 and leave he had to you know poop on tucker and and the left and they don't you know they remember this and so he's kind of this island of people who... But I heard that the new leadership wants to purge CNN of the political stuff. So it's happening. If you're a casual watcher and watch, say, Brian Stelter, who right now is kind of this thing to watch as far as the tempo there,
Starting point is 00:50:21 he's the guy who used to every Sunday go after Fox or tweet at Fox or say this stuff about, he hasn't said anything about Fox because they kind of set the rules where this isn't about, this is a news organization. This isn't about going after another news organization. This is about, you know, and then the Ukraine, the Ukraine stuff happened. Perfect timing for the people in Discovery who wanted to see CNN go back to news because they do an excellent job. Calissa Ward and all these people are bombs going off. It reminds the only people who are watching cable, boomers, of Bernie in Iraq when we for the first time saw a war happen live during shock and awe.
Starting point is 00:51:01 So it kind of reinforced that there is a business there. Now, the problem with that is no one's watching cable news anymore. And unless it's a crazy moment happening, people aren't running to the TVs. And God only know you guys in your 20s aren't sitting there watching cable on your, if you even have a cable TV package. It used to be that when I heard, I saw that sound. Yeah. When I saw a tweet and it said thing happened, I would turn on CNN. I don't do that anymore. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:26 I turn Fox and they love, but, but also that whole breaking news thing used to be when there was breaking news. Now Fox has an every commercial and you, it's kind of lost its luster where you used to hear that noise and something big was happening, but this will be probably one of the largest media disasters for,
Starting point is 00:51:43 I hope for hundreds of years from now. I mean, it's the epic size of this. You can't even begin to. There's part of me that would like to believe that the people at CNN putting the project together saw the market research that showed it wouldn't work. And they're like, hold on. Let's just send it to Snopes first. Let's see if they can debunk this research telling us it's not going to work. Again, you can't imagine the egos at play.
Starting point is 00:52:07 And, you know, they live in now Hudson Yards, this gigantic building on this island with looking down at people. And they all talk to each other. They all go to the same places. They all, you know, are all above everyone else. And, you know, the lack of failure. And they just can't figure out why Fox works. But this CNN Plus is the perfect example of the information CNN presents itself.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Correct. They live in a bubble where they're all farting and then rushing over to smell the person's fart and telling everybody it smells like cinnamon buns. I call it navel-gazing, and if you go to these parties, like, I'll tell you one thing, working at Mediaite,
Starting point is 00:52:44 the best thing that ever happened was the CNN launch parties. When they launched this thing, I don't know what the number is, but it was hundreds of thousands of dollars for the launch party of this. Giant logo. Giant logo. But no, it's just all of the media people come from all the different media places. That's why Fox is the outlier, but you'll all see them with each
Starting point is 00:53:06 other at different parties. And it's all this little club they're in and they all know each other and they've all worked with each other. That's why you see media reporters that, you know, will always, you know, kind of hedge what they're going to say because they're thinking, well, who knows what they're going to own someday and I might want to work for them. Wouldn't it be hysterical if you turn on CNN? They're like, CNN Plus is doing great. Yeah, no, it's awesome. Well, they did. Best network ever.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Are you kidding me? Come on. Matt Dornick, the- Oh, the communication strategist. He's a conservative gay guy who was kind of invented for Trump because the CNN PR used to be the kindest, sweetest people. Like if they, working on the other end of it, when they didn't like something, it would be this nice email. And they got Matt to just become this bulldog that was basically the Trump version of a
Starting point is 00:53:55 PR person at CNN. But anyway, he famously said it was doing great and they were hoping it, and then it went out of business like two days later, CNN Plus. Yeah. So Matt Dornick, this is a funny story here. It was pointed out that Joe Biden is not a practicing Catholic because by definition he is, and he doesn't give assent to Catholic teaching. And so someone reached out to CNN explaining this.
Starting point is 00:54:17 CNN, you called Joe Biden a practicing Catholic. He is not. That is a factual error. You should correct it. Matt Dornick screenshots the email and tweets it out saying, this is really gross, which personally speaking, I don't think it's a great communication strategy to screenshot someone's email and then post it calling it gross.
Starting point is 00:54:34 But also he dismissed a blatant clear-cut fact. He's kind of the representation of what happened to CNN in the Trump era in that it was all, they felt the only way to respond to cnn at in the trump era in that it was all they felt the only way to respond to him has become what see they viewed him as just this ignorant loud buffoon and what they ended up becoming was the ignorant loud buffoon like um i the chris wallace news makes me feel really good like what's what's the word sch Yeah, yeah. No, and he was fine until, you know, he left people. Like, Megyn Kelly, when she left, she went to NBC. Now, I love Megyn Kelly, but everyone knew, you know, you are what Fox makes you.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Your audience isn't going to go to NBC in the morning. That was weird. But she ended up with $30 million extra bucks in the bank because she said something offensive about, again, she was Black Santa and then said something offensive.
Starting point is 00:55:29 It wasn't even offensive. No, but to them. Why is that offensive? And they're like, you don't know. You think they just wanted an excuse to cut a contract?
Starting point is 00:55:35 No, no, no. Everyone knows it was. Everyone knew it was a pile on. She knew it was a pile on. That's why she got paid and off she went. Didn't they,
Starting point is 00:55:43 they initially did, was it the first, the morning show with Megan Kelly? Yeah, well well she had the morning show said just like dancing and then she said this thing um she asked why was blackface offensive why was blackface offensive it's you're a news person in jail no but you're a news person she belongs in prison you know that's the point like what's the question you can't ask anymore is how the news is made not what should you like there's no more like chris wallace's father mike wallace you'd be scared out of your wits when he walked in the doors because there was nothing there was you know no agenda with him now of course they were all
Starting point is 00:56:15 left-leaning but still you know we've come in we are in a period where it's the words you're not allowed to say you know it's the words there's a there's a month like why do gay people get a month like if i'm a reporter and i went into the headquarters of gay incorporated why did you get a month like what happened why does everyone have to change their logos and except for in the middle east and why are you okay with that yeah and why you know and you can't show you know dr strange's new movie and then in there because it's a gay character does that bother you nope you can't it's like where did lgbtq plus a z where did that come from well you can't ask those questions correct well but i i will say i thought it was strange that they moved megan kelly from
Starting point is 00:57:03 what was it fox news primetime yeah to nb shows, like a family, woman-oriented thing. And it's what happens to media people. It's they, you know, and I love her to death. I love them all. But they, you know, you lose your mind. You become so famous that you think it's all about that. Yes. That's what CNN Plus is.
Starting point is 00:57:21 But let's talk about some other good news, some other good news here. While you're pulling this up, can I just mention something to his earlier point? So you said that CNN was kind of trying to do this tough guy thing and mimic Trump. And I noticed a little bit of that. And I think it's funny because, A, they clearly misunderstood. It's not just that people like that Trump was a tough guy. They liked who he was going after. But even in the example I brought up of Matt Dornick going, this is really gross. That's not a tough guy thing to say. Can you imagine Trump going,
Starting point is 00:57:48 this is really gross, quite frankly? No, he would actually go after the person. They didn't know how to do it. Well, let's pull up this next story because it's good news. Actually, John, do you want to explain what's going on with this? So I reported know, the media people are all like, oh, she's going nowhere. Joy Reid is out. Well, not officially yet, but Comcast doesn't like her. The people, Roberts and the people at the top don't like her. And I got wind of something that was said that, you know, they're going to use. And I said this to somebody that if you notice the last few days, you saw her ratings being leaked out as far as she's had the lowest ratings and whatever.
Starting point is 00:58:27 But she's just becoming offensive to everyone. And it's becoming offensive to advertisers. There's a lot of advertisers who are balking. You know, there's only so many times you can say that, you know, Elon Musk bought it because he wants apartheid back. Like you can say that white people did X, Y, and Z, but if you just start using it as an example for everything, you start to become offensive to mostly even black people find her offensive. Many of my black friends, many people I've talked to find her offensive. She does comparable to Don Lemon, but that's not saying much. Yeah, well, neither of those people are probably going to be around for the long term.
Starting point is 00:59:04 I mean, take a look at this. uh tuesday's ratings in the key demo this is fascinating joy reed with 130 000 against burnett with 170 anderson cooper with 170 don lemon with 136 and then 116 jake tapper with 140 and 159. Blitzer, 152. That's remarkable because we do better than that. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Now, you look at Waters, 368. You look at Carlson. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:32 It's not even close. 591. I've looked at these ratings for 15 years and nothing changes. Fox stays where it is. And, you know, for a long time, CNN wanted to be MSNBC because they were beating them. And then they decided, no, that's too to the left. And then Trump came along and you can't be what you're not. Wasn't Tucker Carlson on MSNBC?
Starting point is 00:59:52 No, he was on CNN. He used to be a CNN show. Yeah, he was. But he was on MSNBC as well. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, if you combine Anderson Cooper from CNN and Chris Hayes and MSNBC, you combine their ratings, it is still almost 300,000 viewers less than Tucker Carlson. Fox sometimes triples them combined.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Like, it's not even a contest. You know, there is media reporters who keep asking, like at MSNBC, they're giving Rachel Maddow millions of dollars to do nothing. She does one show a week now and now has special projects. Good for her. Yeah, because they don't know what to do nothing. She does one show a week now and now has special projects. Good for her. Yeah, because they don't know what to do with her. What happened with Joy Reed is a fun story
Starting point is 01:00:30 in that it revolves a lot around what happened with George Floyd. And it's a basic narrative and that is, Al Sharpton's, those types of people who have used race as a way to continue to make money.
Starting point is 01:00:46 And she used it as a way to keep her job because everyone at MSNBC is terrified of her. And everyone at NBC Universal is terrified of her. On the other hand, people at Comcast who see now there's also other things coming. And speaking of someone we've talked about earlier, there's lawsuits coming about things she has said about people and so forth. And we saw what happened with the Covington kids as far as how that went for CNN and others. And she has said some things equal about people that are coming down the pike. All in all, she's just not a positive light for the network. And that whole gay thing has come back to haunt her in ways that I don't think she's quite well aware of. You can never survive on the left, man.
Starting point is 01:01:32 No, but see, you're okay if you're on the left and you say something like that. You're like, oh, it was hacked. Okay, move on. If you're on the right, they would want to see the forensics of it before you'd get your show back. And that's sort of part of my concern with what we were discussing earlier about Elon Musk potentially unveiling some sketchiness or potential fraud with Twitter's code is that I think it would end up being the same kind of stories we got with Hillary's emails. Everyone would know that there was foul play and nothing would be done about it and it would just sort of be waved away. I do also want to mention, however, that we're looking at Wallace's numbers, Tapper's numbers, even Maddow's numbers, I'm honored to say that I once did a cartoon that was a parody of a news show, and it was literally just people farting, and it got more views than they do. And it was called The Dangers of Political Extremism.
Starting point is 01:02:17 This is important. This is the key demo. We're not winning against CNN when it comes to old people. No. So if you look, this is, what do we got here, 25 to 54. For us, I believe around 80% of our viewers are 18 to 54. Their average viewer is 68, 69. So you look at this.
Starting point is 01:02:40 CNN, when you do all viewers, they say 25 to 54. Rest assured, CNN is not getting 500, 600,000 viewers from 18 to 24. Right. And there's no more airport video of them. So these are people probably in institutions or places they can't change the channel because I don't know any 18-year-olds watching CNN. Yeah, I want to see what their engagement is because they just have the TV show. They have a TV on from 4 o'clock to 10 o'clock and they just let it run when they're in the other room. How old is Rachel Maddow?
Starting point is 01:03:08 She's got to be in her late 40s or 50s by now. It's a... Yeah, we're going to pull up Rachel. And how old is Tucker? Tucker's 50s something. Hey, Maddow was born in 1973. So she's 47. 48. It's
Starting point is 01:03:23 really quite amazing. It's a strange thought. me the people who typically are like yo hey i know who you are you're tim pool when they greet me on the street or whatever same it ages me oh of course millennials uh often a lot of people who look like they're mid to late 20s i couldn't imagine being someone like maddow and you go outside and young people don't know who you are and and then you see some old person like, hey, hey, you're Rachel Maddow, I'm a big fan. So it's either like the super viewer. That's going to be a cartoon. I'm still on that.
Starting point is 01:03:52 I bet it's the girl with the pink hair and the purple hair who come up to her, or people who are invested in the script. Even those far lefties, though, even those progressive types who are just completely wrong about everything, even they don't like legacy media. They'll watch Twitch streamers who have a left-wing perspective. That's true. Like, you know, Hasan, young people are going to know who he is. I know who he is.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Tucker Carlson with nearly 600,000 in the key demo. Yeah, he's going to go outside and young people are going to be like, Tucker. They know who he is. They know who he is because he speaks to people. Like, he speaks, you know, you guys have to take on the rest of this world. And I think he speaks to people who care about what's happening in the country. And I think, you know, Maddox, it's incredible. She got, her ratings were Fox-esque during certain, like the whole, you know, Mueller report.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Those types of things where people, and that shows you where we are as a country because they're watching as a sporting event. They want their team Trump to go down. They want him, Mueller, to come up and say, I got him. And that's all they're watching it for. She almost cried when the Mueller report came out. Well, famously, media, I'm not sure you can see it on the site anymore, but a famous ABC journalist cried the night that Trump got elected.
Starting point is 01:05:09 And he called her out later in one of the first times he met them. But, yeah, there was a lot of people invested. I mean, that night was surreal just of how many people were sad. Something happened in like 2015 to 2016, you know, in this period where people's brains just cracked. Well, it was that moment. It was like Ben, what's his name outside the Hillary event, Ben Rhodes, where he's just sitting there. That video of him just sitting there going, I don't know what happened. It's a famous video right after she gives her concession speech.
Starting point is 01:05:42 And he's just like blindsided. And it's famous because no one really knew what to say because one side of you were like, wow, I voted for him. But do you think he's good and sane? And the other side of you was like, yeah, you know, and I watched a lot of young people feel really happy about the future. And, you know, plus, I think the mood of the country was they were sick and tired of the establishment. I want to mention this, too. It's not just Joy Reid.
Starting point is 01:06:09 James Corden is quitting the Late Late Show. Yeah. Yo, the machine is falling apart. Well, also, late night shows used to be funny. And now they're just political hit jobs. Well, yeah, it's Claptor. And there's so many of them. It's Colbert.
Starting point is 01:06:21 Colbert coming up on his show and saying, hey, hey, Republicans are bad. Yeah. It's like, that's not a joke, dude. I'm not laughing. Or him doing the vaccine dance thing. These people have gone nuts. I mean, look, late night is just by definition a really disadvantaged formula because a good stand-up comedian might come out with an hour every year. And then these late night hosts come out there, what, every night with something like 45 minutes of material. And so it's not going to be the best for the most part, even if you have talented writers.
Starting point is 01:06:48 But they've stopped trying to be funny altogether. And it literally is just claptor, like you mentioned. They always used to be an escape. You'd watch, showing my age, Johnny Carson and these other people. And I remember you'd hear his joke about Nixon or something. But then he'd get on. And people don't watch these shows to hear about how bad the Republicans are. Or it's the sophistry.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Yeah, it is. Jimmy Kimmel, why is he having political debates with people like Marjorie Taylor Greene on his show? Yo, can you – hold on. Guys, Moon Knight came out, right? It's a Marvel show. Here's Tim Marvel memeing. No, no, but I mean this. I mean, Disney's got new shows.
Starting point is 01:07:28 Why don't you come out and be like, you guys see that new show? There's a new movie with Northmen. And then everyone can clap and cheer for Alex Garsgaard and he can make a joke about it. I would say that if you were a conspiracy theorist, you would say that there's a media apparatus that feeds off of itself.
Starting point is 01:07:42 If you ever listen to what Colbert says at night, he's kind of picking up on what the theme of the day was for them going after whoever on marjorie taylor green exactly so she's the the piñata for the left for the day and he kind of finishes it off at the end of the day and he they used to do that in a funny way him and john stewart's a perfect example and he's been in the news lately where he he went completely crazy, left the other day, where he used to be, I mean, if you look at some of his oldest shows, he's going to be a conservative considered today.
Starting point is 01:08:12 He used to be moderate in the middle, and he would grab everyone, and you'd joke about some idiot saying something. Even the Republicans would be funny. And now you feel as though he knows that he has to do these things to survive or he will be you know canceled just like nancy pelosi is afraid aoc is going to cancel her but these people are sad no they are sad they are because you know what young people want authenticity correct old people i guess fine john you know you looked at some market research and they said, John, I'm telling you, you gotta go woke and be as racist as you can against white people.
Starting point is 01:08:48 And then John's like, I'm gonna do it! And then the rest of us are just like, what happened to that guy? He lost his audience. That Elon Musk meme. Let me pull that meme back up. Look at this. This image right here, this me in the middle, that's Jon Stewart's fan base.
Starting point is 01:09:06 Straight up. Jon Stewart praised project veritas he mocked him a little bit in funny ways like making fun of james's clothing but said journalists where are you look who's scooping you how did these guys pull it off and then he used the reporting legitimately not ironically the acorn investigation correct i like that i remember when he came out in his pimp outfit for the first time when he did his first show on Fox News. I remember it to this day. And we did this whole write-up about him. And you're listening to a Google employee or whoever he happens to be getting, a CNN employee producer saying, yeah, we lean left. And the next day, somehow, that isn't what you just saw.
Starting point is 01:09:44 And that's what's happening is I think people that are young know this is all BS. You know what it is? It's that people like Jon Stewart bring in an audience who doesn't pay attention to the news, and then he says things, and the applause sign lights up, and everyone's like, yeah, woo, yeah. And there used to be interview shows up until 2006. The only way you're going to see an actor talk about their experience was on The Tonight Show or Letterman or something like that. Now they have their own YouTube channels. You don't need that crap junk.
Starting point is 01:10:11 And now they're just trying to fill the void with political trash. And they have to say something. They have to crap on Trump. It's just like the award shows. I mean, you used to go to those for escapism and now you know whatever is happening in the media as far as politics on the on the right you're just and then there was the gay gay gay thing this time where you know there was this gay bill and you know everyone had to say gay gay gay um and i think and you see the ratings like do you not see what you're doing
Starting point is 01:10:42 no one's watching you anymore because they're tired. It's exhausting. But it's not true. And that's the issue. It's like when they're going out and screaming gay, everyone's like, why are you doing that? Right. Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks, he tweets out, conservatives claim to be pro-free speech, but they literally celebrate a bill called Don't Say Gay.
Starting point is 01:11:01 And I'm like, bro, the bill's not called that. And he's like, yeah, well, you don't speak out against DeSantis for his anti-BDS legislation. I was like, we mention it almost every time we talk about DeSantis. We say it was bad. Moving on. I tweeted and I said, I think the Don't Say Gay bill might be the largest, fastest fake news in history.
Starting point is 01:11:22 Because if you were to look at it that day, every single headline started with don't say gay bill. And no one, I had this famous fight with Mark Hamill. I said, did you read the bill? I had thousands of people like coming at me, you know, because no one read the bill. You don't think Mark Hamill read six pages of this bill that just says you can't.
Starting point is 01:11:39 And then you're like, if you're going to pick a topic, and as a gay person, trust me, that came out in 88, we have a lot of things that we had to overcome. If you're going to pick arguing over whether K through third grades can talk about sex, you're going to – I've said this, and Sully, what's his name, said it too. You're going to set the whole cause back 25 years because I've seen a lot of homophobic stuff flow out since then. Now everyone's this or that or pedophile or that. Let's make this easy for people who aren't familiar. I have no problem with critical race theory books in schools. I mean that physically. I have a problem with critical race praxis in schools. That is, in curriculum, when teachers put critical race theory in practice in their
Starting point is 01:12:27 lessons. Now, if a school said, hey kids, here we have the Bible and here we have Kimberly Crenshaw's critical race theory. We're going to analyze and discuss these ideas. I'd be like, that's cool. When they come out, they don't do that though. What they actually do now is they say the Bible can't be in the school at all, but don't worry. There's no critical race theory here. We just put those lessons in the curriculum. Now, imagine this. Imagine if your kid went to school one day and he came back with homework and the homework said Jesus had 12 apostles. One apostle betrayed him.
Starting point is 01:12:59 How many apostles did not betray him? You'd be like, well, hold on. But it's like the math problem right it's a math question what is it on the third day jesus rose 24 hours are in one day how many hours did it take that would be praxis taking the teachings of religion but putting it in math lessons now religious schools actually do this and that's fine if you go to a religious school in a public school i don't think she'd have critical praxis or religious praxis. But if the teachers want to discuss any ideology, I'm fine with it.
Starting point is 01:13:31 I think the one good thing that came out of the pandemic is that parents figured out what their kids were learning in school. Like, you were just off the kid goes. And, I mean, these days, hoping he didn't get shot. But just off they went. And then now you get to look over their shoulder while they're teaching these things. And I think it was a good – and you saw it in Virginia. That was the meltdown. Yeah, you saw that parents, you don't screw with the kids.
Starting point is 01:13:53 And I'll tell you, there was a lot of Democrats who voted for him because Democrats love telling you how to run your life until they have to do it to their kids. And we got to see what happens when you do that because, you know, you can't make everyone out to be Trump. I want to mention on the parental rights and education chat, or Bill, I saw something in the Chicken City chat a couple days ago, and I wish I could remember the username to attribute it to them. But they said, it's not don't say gay, it's wait till they're eight which is so much more of an accurate way of describing the bill and also helps you understand that it doesn't even go far
Starting point is 01:14:29 enough right well so this is um you don't want to give the guy too much attention but to respond to janky uger because he tweeted back at me saying you guys love to claim the name is this that or otherwise but it perfectly describes the bill i'm like the bill bans discussions of traditional marriage it's just insane that they conflatedlated a bill that was trying to prevent teachers from telling kids not to talk to their parents about conversations with homosexuality is egregious. Like it does a disservice to the homosexual community. Yeah. And now we have the fact that you're learning that teachers are hiding, you know, transgender stuff from the. Listen, that's the parent's kid. 24 hours, 7 days a week.
Starting point is 01:15:07 It doesn't become your kid. Teach them how to write and read and send them home. And if the parents want them to read about sex at whatever age, hopefully by the time they're 13 or 14 maybe, but there's nothing... I've read the bill. It's logical. Now, you could say the same thing about why can't they talk about my marriage with a man and a woman and no but
Starting point is 01:15:32 you know I've said this before there's an over-representation of gay people in the media there's a lot of gay people work in the media tons of of them. And those people amplify, they make up 6% of the population. That's the whole alphabet characters, 6%. And that's, you know, they amplify these causes to a point where, you know, years ago that didn't happen. And nowadays it happens because they're afraid to be called homophobic for not doing it. What we need is for all of these religious teachers to just have discussions with five-year-olds about the Bible and then to tell those kids don't let your parents know
Starting point is 01:16:12 we're doing Bible study. Can you imagine converting their religion against their parents? This is also very important. As a Catholic, you would absolutely never be advised to baptize someone else's child without their permission. Could you imagine?
Starting point is 01:16:26 And also because as a matter of justice, even though we have the full truth, you don't own someone else's kid. You don't. But this is the point. They are such fervent fanatics. They own your child in their mind. So when you have this case in Florida where the female student was getting therapies and treatments without the parents knowing, some of these
Starting point is 01:16:52 are permanent. Imagine if a teacher baptized your kid without you knowing. And that's technically permanent, but it's not like altering their body. It's just the fact that kids are lonely and want to fit into a group i remember going into the first gay club and i think the issue was it was that
Starting point is 01:17:11 first moment i ever felt normal because there were people like me around and that was 1988 and i can't even imagine today what it feels like for them that now you have to be part of this group and that if you're not, that, you know, you're shunned or whatever. But, you know, I see a point of it, but it's also a very, very slippery slope that you're making decisions young. I mean, I came out in the AIDS right dead center of it and got out of it without a problem because, you know, I'd save sex and that was it. But if you're young these days, the pressures on you to be something maybe you're not is permanent nowadays because, you know, once those surgeries and all that stuff happen, and then, you know, there's a growing evidence of people who are now saying, I wish I hadn't
Starting point is 01:18:00 done this. That they're- Oh, yeah. Blair White's interviewed more than one person, I think. That they're saying that this was a mistake. I did it when I was young. I shouldn't have done it. Yeah, Blair White's interviewed more than one person, I think. Yeah, that they're saying that this was a mistake. I did it when I was young. I shouldn't have done it. I was confused.
Starting point is 01:18:08 Well, the issue is actually the algorithmic and media manipulation. Right. So this ties back to all the stuff happening with Elon Musk. When you have no people to explain a negative circumstance, you only hear a positive circumstance. And so what was happening was there was a subreddit that was about detransitioning and it was people telling their story saying you know i didn't have a good time got banned there was a website got pulled any instance in which someone said let me tell you this wasn't that great would get removed for hate speech because there was a these these kids would then only see a positive message. Right. Because there became, I don't know when it happened,
Starting point is 01:18:47 because being gay you don't think about it, but I guess it was probably like 10 years ago where the pride and all this stuff that comes out that you have to celebrate this, that being gay requires an extra level of celebration. And it has to, you have to accept it. And especially as a parent, you have to accept that I want to be a man now.
Starting point is 01:19:09 We went from tolerate to have to. Yeah. Yeah. And there's no middle ground anymore. And, you know, I've said this a thousand times, you know, whoever owns the language owns everything. And if you can say that this is hate speech because you have said that these people don't, didn't agree or had a really bad time transitioning and here's 500 of everything was that it was all filtered through a leftist lens.
Starting point is 01:19:50 Correct. And they kept saying they weren't biased. And I'm trying to explain this to these guys. I'm like, you're so biased you don't know you are. You are surrounded by nothing but people on the left, no one but leftists. You've never talked to a conservative. So you assume when you hear an opinion from a conservative, it's a fringe opinion that no one cares about. Yes, I get it. Your brother, sister, and your friends agree with all of your opinions. You
Starting point is 01:20:14 are not the world. I find that the left tends to be, it's no surprise that they tend to be atheist, secular, or outright condemn or reject religion because they only view, they typically view themselves as the universal center. And they're supposedly the most tolerant, which I was hysterical, but the least tolerant people you've ever met in your life. And it's kind of crazy. But I think as they lose religion, whatever religion that is, as they lose a sense of— Their religion becomes their identity, their sexual identity. Well, what I mean is that people who... If you believe there's something greater than you in any sense,
Starting point is 01:20:50 be it spirituality, be it the universe, magnetic fields, you tend to treat other people more equally because you're like, I am a person and you're a person, and I must do unto others as I would have them do unto me. But if you think there's nothing there, well, then you're going to be more ego-driven. You're going to be the one standing on the podium saying, I deserve this.
Starting point is 01:21:09 No one else. Correct. That's what we see a lot of. They want everyone else banned. Don't you say naughty words about me. You shouldn't be allowed to. I should. Well, I think we're in a zero tolerance for hurting people's feelings.
Starting point is 01:21:19 Well, and this happened before when I spoke out on the show a few weeks ago and just mentioned that I don't believe in gay marriage. Media Matters did a write- out on the show a few weeks ago and just mentioned that i don't believe in gay marriage media matters did a write-up on the show and they also made it seem as if everyone on the panel agreed with me right and it was actually just you it was literally they said they said tim cast i roll panelists and it was uh who was it uh alex bruceowitz it was uh the three of us and we both were in agreement with gay marriage and you weren't and they made it seem like the whole show was and then Media Matters is like
Starting point is 01:21:48 watch out for these grifters who will change their opinions and it's like not a person here changed their opinion. They just make it up. Fake news. You're saying people don't tolerate what was it exactly? Hurting other people's feelings?
Starting point is 01:21:59 I think that we're in a society where hurting someone's feelings is violence now. I have low tolerance for malicious behavior. If someone's trying to hurt someone maliciously, then I'm going to step in. But if someone says something that someone interprets and gets upset about, usually the person that's feeling the upset, it's in their mind. Right. There's something that they're going through. It's like being at a party with all of us and he goes, I don't really just really not.
Starting point is 01:22:24 My religion doesn't conform to gay marriage. Fine. I don't believe in it either. Like, you know, I'm a traditionalist in a lot of senses that don't conform to what might be good for me. Just because I, you know, everyone's like, you have to be pro-gay. Well, no. I think this institution kind of worked. And I'm not sure that, you know.
Starting point is 01:22:45 But hey, society decided in their own legal ways that that was the way it was going to be, and so be it. But that doesn't mean that those other people vanish the day, you know, that those court cases came down. Those people are still there, and they should be able to. So what you're saying for X amount of hundreds of years of not having gay marriage is the minute you have gay marriage, none of those people's opinions can exist anymore in the same space. And that is the problem I have. And that is you can still be in the same room with someone who doesn't agree or that just being gay is horrible or I'm going to hell. I mean, who knows, you know? So the point I'm trying to make is that those opinions should be
Starting point is 01:23:25 able to exist in the same space one doesn't get rid of the other one i just want to point out going back to this meme from elon i think it's funny because if you look at 2008 the far left person is actually right wing in 2021 so going back to what chambers was saying about brocco so so we focused on the guy in the center, the me, and how the center becomes, you know,
Starting point is 01:23:48 changes and now he's right wing. But if the my fellow liberals stayed in this spot on the left and moved down, he would be right, center right in 2021.
Starting point is 01:23:57 Barack Obama running on universal health care in 2007, in 2008, and now they're calling him a republican and the drone king hell right yeah killing americans with drones extra judicial assassination i mean he even clinton today would be um you know some of their views and i lived through that we were
Starting point is 01:24:19 talking in the way here was like what were the 90s like and i just remember like this just seemed less but see everyone didn't have a voice and that was a good thing there was no social media the person who was crazy screamed at the end of the road and now they have twitter account i think it is time that we start ignoring those who drove off the cliff and i'll just say um you i i am a staunch leftist here who believes in universal basic health care. And you crazy conservatives, ooh, I shake my fist at you. Those other crazy guys, they had nothing to do with this conversation anymore. There's a new center now. Let's pull the center back, reassert what left and right are.
Starting point is 01:24:59 And the crazy people who drove off the cliff, they drove off the cliff. They're not part of this conversation. I think the economics for that are there. meaning I think you're seeing it with CNN. I think you're seeing it with cable news. The one that keeps trugging down the road is Fox. And the right media seems to be going quite well. And it's the left that seems to be kind of going off the cliff. Because I think that graphic says a lot about a lot of people in the United States that consider themselves Democrats or left and now look and go, what am I what I can't I say today? And we're all having a conversation where we mostly agree on a lot of issues like voting for DeSantis versus Trump.
Starting point is 01:25:46 I just think it's funny that the issues that would really divide us, traditional liberal versus traditional conservative, don't even come up because they're on the back burner compared to the greater problems we're facing. Right. And we've faced worse. And that's the sad part. Like this country has gone through, even in my lifetime, my God, i got out of high school and the economy was through the ground and reagan and you know there was a lot of we have the cold war we're gonna die every day from like red dawn and hunt for red october like that was our lives you know and there's this giant war going on and at some point russia's is just going to be like who are we fighting considering all that and people are just like i'm just i don't know and and the crazy thing is a lot of millennials don't realize they were born during the cold war
Starting point is 01:26:28 yeah oh yeah and their parents were crazy probably drinking and smoking and that gave us the millennials because there's got to be an excuse for how this ended up the way it did yeah but what i was saying is i think social media and stuff about what has changed in this like when i grew up there wasn't school shootings and because kids got home decompressed, they got away from the bullies. They were able to spend time with that geeky friends, go back, maybe get bullied that day.
Starting point is 01:26:54 Now you have kids that can't ever get away from this, that they're connected to this bullying and bad and good and bad. And I think also on the other end of the spectrum, I think in most societies, there's a lot of people who just don't need to contribute what they need what they're like just go scream in the corner you know you know say it to your parents and stuff but you there's some people that just don't need to tell the world like i've seen people i've seen companies stop advertising and i think
Starting point is 01:27:21 it was harry's with somebody from a Twitter account that said that they were – this company was – it might be the Daily – they were anti-trans. And the Twitter follower had like 38 followers. Yeah, that was Harry's Razors. And they had – so there's a disproportionate amount of power that a lot of these people have. I think you make a good point about evidence of why public school is failing as well because it's creating an environment where kids are getting bullied on the regular, whereas this consistent bullying, they can't escape it. So it's another reason not to put young people in that environment. I'm just fascinated that from where I grew up – just going back to what I was mentioning before about Backstage Live is like even having this conversation with Seamus, most of the political conversations we have are on things we completely agree on. And we only ever so often touch on the things we don't agree on, even though you and I disagree on some stuff to a great degree.
Starting point is 01:28:13 But the cultural battles we're fighting, free speech, individual liberties, personal responsibility, all of these things that used to be just an American value. Given. It was a given. Yeah. Now it's like, like okay those other things are here like we'll discuss them but man those people are crazy well what we've gone to now is some people can some people have different abilities to say what they can and some people can't you know a catholic can't say to me that i don't have a value and i'm not all like it's well we wouldn't say you don't have value as a person. No, I know. Yeah, we would say they believe homosexual activity is sinful. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:49 And, you know, we live in a Jesse Smollett world where, you know, he represented everything I saw coming down the track. And like you're going to commit this giant crime to become a victim is, you know, I remember when what's her name-Name said she was black. And remember, yeah. Or the first time I heard Safe Space and thought, that's never going to take, you know. And people are like, these kids are getting out of school
Starting point is 01:29:15 and they're going to bully them because they know how to use social media. But social media had gotten to a point, and you're right. And I see it in the media where a lot of these older editors are scared to death of Taylor Lorenz. You know what it is? There's some 40 or 50-year-old dude who works at a company, and the millennial comes out and says, I haven't gotten a job here.
Starting point is 01:29:34 Then they go, I demand a safe room. And they go, what are you talking about? We don't have a safe room. So then they go on Twitter. Next thing you know, this 50-year-old guy gets 30 tweets, and it's like, you're an evil man. You're evil. And they're like, what's happening? Everyone is tweeting at me.
Starting point is 01:29:48 I've seen it happen. I've seen that happen. I've seen it happen. It's not just a question of what you're allowed to say. It's a question of what the people you have associated with are allowed to say, or rather, who you're allowed to associate with based on what they've said. So I don't like to pay too much attention to celebrities, but before the show we were discussing the fact that Chris Pratt is being canceled. They're trying to recast him because, according to some Twitter mob, his church is anti-LGBTQ.
Starting point is 01:30:14 And we cannot have an actor in a film who goes to a church that we believe is anti-LGBTQ. I just want to remind everyone that the former president of the United States, Barack Obama, went to a church with Reverend Wright as the preacher who said in a sermon that was leaked that the United States government invented HIV to kill black people. Barack Obama attended that church for years. And when this footage leaked, the media said, no, that's mean to talk about. And every conservative in media went, okay, fine, we we won't talk about that even though it's literally true but the chris pratt thing was that story goes back i think several years to uh that uh the actor this
Starting point is 01:30:56 actor individual saying he goes to this church it's an old story and the new story is because i think james gunn responded to a twitter account that had three followers. So, you know, Chris Pratt's not going anywhere. Yeah, but it's just interesting that people would actually see that as something that was worthy of getting a person canceled and could effectively get them canceled because we've seen people get in trouble for that kind of thing in the past. The tweet was someone tweeted, hey, Marvel, you know, recast him. They didn't say why. James Gunn invented the reason why saying why, because he believes things you don't. He's not going anywhere. And I'm like, well, hold on.
Starting point is 01:31:30 What does he believe? And then the people Google that. This Twitter account with three followers didn't say anything about religion or politics. It just said, hey, cast this guy. The person then said, I posted that because I saw the actor and thought they looked alike. That was it. James Gunn injected cancel culture into the narrative. It was like a weird inverse
Starting point is 01:31:50 cancel culture. I think to be fair, there were so many articles flooding the internet over Chris Pratt's church that I think it makes sense that he would read that in the tweet. I think that story was years ago, bro. No, I know, but if people are going to try to cancel somebody,
Starting point is 01:32:07 it's probably going to be the thing they were trying to cancel them over for years ago. The issue is, as you say, this is what I think about gay, and this is what I think is going to happen, and I listen to you. Great. That's your views. The problem today is what I would do is find out what it is about you that I have to destroy to stop you, instead of just engaging with you and saying, you know, I think you're absolutely right because those are your beliefs.
Starting point is 01:32:32 This is my beliefs because that's how it happened. This is what I believe God did, whatever, and so on and so on. Now, this person being me would have to find the deepest, darkest, bad thing you've ever done, say it on Twitter to then nullify that you had an opinion that I didn't agree with. And that's where we are. And that's the problem is that no one can just disagree. And then Media Matters is out there saying, you know, because this is not how civil society should work. We should just be able to say like, yeah, you know, I have plenty.
Starting point is 01:33:05 I have family members who didn't think it was great, you know. But I agree that that's their opinion. And they love each other, and we love each other, and that's the end of it. Well, yeah, I mean, the modern ethos is no one can disagree with me without being a horrifically corrupt person. And also, if someone does disagree with me, we have to ensure that they're never allowed to speak. But it's also, it's imbalanced. Yeah, absolutely. The LGBT side.
Starting point is 01:33:27 It's mostly coming from the left. The LGBT side of it says you have to love me and embrace my lifestyle. And you have to put a flag and do all these other things and change your logos. That's not how I view life. Because what if they said, okay, every X amount of month we have to put religious symbols up. Be based. Right. Got to do it.
Starting point is 01:33:47 But no, well, and also this idea of love, this idea that loving someone means you have to agree with everything they're doing. And that's what we've lost. Yeah. Let's go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel and head over to TimCast.com. Become a member and help support our work and our journalists. We just hired a new journalist recently. We're going to be doing a lot of
Starting point is 01:34:08 really cool stuff. We're planning, you know, many documentaries, new shows. We are planning on beginning marketing, doing other really cool things. As you all know, we got a billboard in Times Square calling out Taylor Lorenz, the Washington Post. I'm very proud of that. Thank you all for your support in making that possible. Let's read what you guys have to say. Adara the Wholesome says, Tim, you're wrong. The only name for a free Damastan coffee shop is Covfefe. There is no exception.
Starting point is 01:34:34 Anything else is an Ian-level natural one semantic argument. No BS, just Covfefe. Too political. Keep your politics out of my mouth. I have that printed on a coffee cup, that tweet. Richard Winter says, The Battle of Helm's Deep has turned.
Starting point is 01:34:49 It's time to charge and finish this battle. I just watched that recently. I love that scene. Ride out with me one last time. And then they storm through, and they knock all the orcs out of the way, and then Gandalf is there, and they're like, ah.
Starting point is 01:35:00 It's a great scene. Yeah. That's what happened. It was Elon Musk, though. Legendary. And then he blinds the orcs as they stampede. Rising Underdog says, still want Tim to have Adam Carolla on as a guest to discuss his book, In 50 Years We'll All Be Chicks and the Pacification of America.
Starting point is 01:35:18 I would be honored to have Adam Carolla on the show. That'd be great. Remember Loveline back in the day? I was just thinking about that. Yeah, him and Dr. Drew. Yeah, that's right. It's kind of bizarre that they were together because Dr. Drew is such a kind of mainstream milquetoast figure, whereas Adam Carolla is probably really politically incorrect.
Starting point is 01:35:35 No, I know. But it's to our point. It's to our point. It used to air on Q101 in Chicago. I remember listening to that show. Wow. And they had a girl with them too, didn't they? Did they?
Starting point is 01:35:44 Dr. Judy. No, I think she had her own show. I love this. Justin Bowman says, Elon said, quote, look to my coming at the first light on the fifth day at dawn. Look east. That's right. He did. That's what he said. Can someone just make that meme? That'd be good, yeah. Just put his face on it.
Starting point is 01:36:00 And then all of the people, the Rohirrim are all the people who are banned, all rushing back in with him. The orcs. Let's see. Sithhammer says, Trump's first post on Truth Social. I'm back. Kafefe.
Starting point is 01:36:14 Is he? Is he? I thought that was a meme. Is that real? Did it actually post that? I saw a screenshot. I wasn't sure. The problem with Truth Social is it's only on the iPhone.
Starting point is 01:36:22 And so I don't know. And it just started working. When I first did it didn't have you couldn't put you you'd upload your picture but it didn't show up well they got they're on rumbles new crowd service okay all right raymond g stanley jr says tim they are scared of free speech in the town square for they fear that they themselves and their views will disappear into and lost to history interesting you said they four times that's right by the way day then eva ranska says finally subscribed to your website
Starting point is 01:36:52 thank you for supporting truth in journalism you bet every day we work really hard and i'm in the newsroom and if i see a story i'll be like guys guys you got to change this so we do we do a lot of corrections because we want to make sure we're getting things right. We even do what I would call frame checking, where we make sure the framing of the story. There was one story we had, where it was like Joe Biden criticized over these things. And I said, nope, doing a story about how conservatives are criticizing Joe Biden, I think is not news. Make a story about what Joe Biden did. And that include what the left thinks and what the right thinks we don't frame our stories like biden condemned over this i mean
Starting point is 01:37:29 that's how the media operates they'll say well you know you know the left destroyed the rights arguments or you know republicans pounce famously if it's an opinion piece i got no issue with it right well now there's no more opinion now it's's all the same. Like there are things I even as an editor look on certain sites I used to work at and there was no way three, four, five years ago that that headline and that stuff would be without an opinion. The Huffington post is an opinion website.
Starting point is 01:37:55 Yeah. Daily beast is an opinion website and they, they, they, and Vox, but they masquerade as news and you read it. And I'm like, those are all opinion statements.
Starting point is 01:38:03 They're not telling me something happened. So, all right, let's see. Tam, Tam Tom says, instead of spending a hundred grand on a billboard, why not have a drawing for your website members and give away 10 grand to 10 members actually help us regular folk who support you? Um, I mean, that would be cool. We could do something like that. And that would actually be an excellent marketing campaign which would increase membership we'll do both the issue with the billboard that we did
Starting point is 01:38:30 was that it's actually substantially cheaper than that substantially cheaper I don't think people understand how cheap it is let me explain something to you guys do you want to know how much it costs
Starting point is 01:38:40 to have your ad run on a billboard in Times Square let's get a round of guesses. I'm saying, well, I think you guys already know. Yeah, we guessed before the show. I guessed correctly. He was closest. No, I was closest. I wasn't that close, to be fair. $18.
Starting point is 01:38:55 Did you not know this? That's all it is. Just Google search it, and there are automated services where you log in, they'll give you the specs for the ad, and they'll say how many times do you want it to run? And they say it costs 18 times per $18 per run. They may have a minimum of like a hundred runs or whatever. So it's like, okay, you need $1,800. Maybe not everybody can afford that, but it's not a hundred. If you want to get like that big one right underneath the Genoa thing on Olive Garden, that one costs $625,000 per week.
Starting point is 01:39:28 That's crazy. But most of these ads are – most of these billboards are rotating digital video and it's not that expensive. Not only that, there's a whole bunch of different ads you can get. You can go up to the biggest billboard in Times Square for $2.5 million per month down to the bench on the side of the road, which is like literally $100. They're like, well, the bench is dirt cheap. It'll cost you $300 for the month. So if you want to get... The billboard, I don't want to give away too many details because there's other companies involved. Thanks to Teller Runs, you know everything about billboards. Well, I mean, it takes five minutes to Google.
Starting point is 01:40:11 So you guys, you're talking about people are saying, hey, troll Times Square. Yes, it's easy. Now, there are laws and there are rules about what you can include in ads. But, yo, for real, got a couple hundred bucks? You can get your ad to run right next to ABC News in Times Square for a couple hundred bucks for the day. It is not that expensive. So people are like, can you believe Tidpool spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to do this? It costs almost nothing. They're expensive when you're doing big campaigns. But you also got to
Starting point is 01:40:43 understand that with the economy crumpling by 1.4 percent yeah yo these these these ad agencies i'm willing to bet are kind of like just let's let's book people as much as we can so google search it guys because um i'm really surprised i you know i should i should i i gotta say this i always wondered why it was more people didn't buy billboards and make statements and do things like we did with Taylor Lorenz calling her out. How come more people aren't doing it? How come more people aren't being like, I'll put a couple hundred bucks behind this. How come no one's created like a GoFundMe, well, not GoFundMe, but a GiveSendGo saying
Starting point is 01:41:18 we're going to raise 50 grand for a four week run on one of the biggest billboards. And then we're going to put up a message. They'll do it. There are rules. If it's a statement involving other people, it cannot be an advertisement. So you won't be able to include links, but you can quite literally put up a sign saying CNN lies all day, every day. And that's all it says. And I'll be like, sure. We'll put that off. I don't care. Give us your money. And then if you get a bunch of your friends together and you get a couple grand, you'll have like one of the smaller billboards. Not that expensive. Granted, some of it can be expensive. But the billboard that we got was nowhere near that expensive.
Starting point is 01:41:56 It depends on, well, to put it bluntly, it depends on how long the ad runs for. Ours did not run that long. Tim actually sent Ian and I out there with paintbrushes. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital. It was digital not run that long. Tim actually sent Ian and I out there with paintbrushes. It was digital. It was digital. Now we gotta go out the paint remover. Vanessa McCullough says, please, please listen to Falling in Reverse, Zombified.
Starting point is 01:42:16 It's about the culture war. The video is a must watch. I'm also a member. Thank you for your work. You wanna take a note of that? You wanna write that down? I'll watch that later. I love Falling in Reverse. Let's grab some super chats. for your work. You want to take a note of that? You want to write that down? I'll watch that later. I love Falling in Reverse. Yeah. Let's grab some super chats. Never Again says,
Starting point is 01:42:30 I wrote the code for 5.1 surround for Solaris. Shared to all, yet Apple never thanked me. All others did. Linux rocks. Yes, it does. Was that Carry On? Is the Falling in Reverse song that you're talking about?
Starting point is 01:42:42 Zombify. Joe Biden is a kid diddler. Says, Day one, Musk should move the company to texas and turn the campus into a homeless shelter agreed i tweeted that and got 50 000 likes heck yeah that he should move to to i said if he gets it he should move it to texas absolutely it was quite popular but then you had a lot of people in texas like don't bring these people here. Please, yeah. Fortunately, they work from home, so I don't think they'll have to go with them. Michael Amore says, just started a membership recently. Parts of that discussion with Derek Harvey the other evening were wild to listen to.
Starting point is 01:43:14 Yes. That is great. And after we wrapped, I think, was it Jack and you or was it? No, it was me and Seamus. Yeah, it was the two of us. We probably spoke with him for another 40 minutes. So good. Yeah. About policy, Middle Seamus. The two of us, we probably spoke with him for another 40 minutes. So good. Yeah, about policy,
Starting point is 01:43:26 Middle East policy. Just asking him questions. I was like, we should just record that because the stories he was telling about what was going on there was nuts. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:32 But we do have time limits and stuff plus I got to wake up at 7 a.m. But we definitely got to have Derek back so he can just talk about all this stuff. All right. Thomas Sidebottom says, it would seem I received my leftist tears Tumblr
Starting point is 01:43:44 from the Daily Wire at exactly the right time. Oh, yeah. Wonderful. We got a free one of those too. They gave us one of those free Tumblrs. It's so cool. I love it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:52 All right. Sean Elmer says, I wish you would invite some First Amendment auditors such as Long Island Audits or Watching the Watchmen and his dad. Both are on the front line of that movement. Very reasonable people. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:44:05 We'll take a look into it. All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Lydia, madame, a super congratulations on your union with Andy. We wish you well. The best button pusher and producer in the game, F Sour Patch Kids. Oh, thank you. Congratulations. Did win.
Starting point is 01:44:22 I beat Sour Patch Kids. You guys tied the knot today? We did, yeah. Today was our six month anniversary, so we were like, we should do it today, even though it's a Thursday. Oh, nice work. Well, congratulations. Thank you, thank you. Alright, Voice of Junzi says, Hello Timcast, I'm a conservative YouTuber that makes
Starting point is 01:44:38 essay and analyses on video games. I believe we need voices in these spaces, as the industry is the forefront of art. Love you guys. Help me grow. Voice of Junzi. Very, very cool. I believe we need voices in these spaces as the industry is the forefront of art. Love you guys. Help me grow. Voice of Junzi. Very, very cool. I had an idea for a documentary series and it was to make mini documentaries
Starting point is 01:44:54 around video game concepts. So we did this with Fallout from Fukushima. Fallout 4 was coming out. We said, let's go investigate Fukushima and see what's going on with the radiation stuff. And then I had the idea. they didn't want to do it i guess but i was like when these new video games come out like call of duty let's do a call of duty themed investigation into what are these weapons who actually trains for them how close to reality these video games get
Starting point is 01:45:18 and and i actually i think i'm i think um the the pitch was, can we get the companies to actually co-sponsor the documentaries because it would be like an ad for them. Oh, God, yeah. All right. Tom Torgerson says, Torgerson, I am a trucker from Detroit and listen to your show the day after it's live. I'm addicted. Looking forward to some coffee beanie in the future.
Starting point is 01:45:42 Thanks for all you do. Ian, watch Waking Life. Great movie. I've seen it before, and I agree. It was, I didn't think it was great, but it was really cool. Yeah. All right. Ron Quay says, Tim, you always talk about the right to nuclear arms.
Starting point is 01:45:59 Brandon Herrera, the AK guy, was on Rikada last night, and he is an FFL. He said there is a form for nuclear arms sales, which surprised even him. It shouldn't surprise you, good sir. The right to keep and bear arms says arms. I don't see it saying accept nuclear arms. No, it says arms. Arms. A conscious perspective says, hey, IRL team, here's a thought.
Starting point is 01:46:23 What if Elon knew about the inflated subscriber numbers and put all this into motion to expose Twitter and then be able to renegotiate his original offer? Thoughts? No, I don't think so. I think he played them, cornered them, and knows what he's doing. I think he's going to buy the platform. I do. So what could happen at this point that would prevent him from actually being able to move forward with that? If they break it off, he gets a billion dollars. So what could cause them this point that would prevent him from actually being able to move forward with that? If they break it off, he gets a billion dollars.
Starting point is 01:46:47 So what could cause them to break it off? If the shareholders. That's it. At this point, nothing. Okay. Because the offer is too sweet. Their stock has gone down. This earnings, more problems.
Starting point is 01:46:59 The shareholders want nothing. And the company would lose a billion dollars. And Elon would get a billion dollars. He's just not. They're not going to. Unless there's some shady business going on. Did you see that the FCC, people wrote to the FCC about stopping it? The FCC, the FTC, and the DOJ.
Starting point is 01:47:16 Oh, my goodness. And the FCC was just like, this is absurd. They actually said it was absurd. Yep. All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, I played Will of the People for my bro. He liked. Very nice. I posted this on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:47:29 It's an isolated vocal track of the new Chicken City theme song. And if you want to hear me sing the second verse about Roberto and Roberto Jr., you can check that out on my Instagram, instagram.com slash timcast. It was fun. We've got a bunch of other songs we're working on, so cool stuff.
Starting point is 01:47:45 I think Ian's going to track some harmonies for Chicken City. Chicken City theme song. Probably next week, unless Carter's ready soon. We'll check in with him tomorrow. I'm watching you, Carter. Carter Banks, ladies and gentlemen. Citizen7 says, Tim, do you have a YouTube account named
Starting point is 01:48:02 TimPWhatsApp plus 1302548 seven four asterisk question mark, question mark, question mark. This account has replied to a couple of my comments in here, and I fear it's a phishing attempt. That is, in fact, not me. It's not Tim. No.
Starting point is 01:48:18 Yeah. Someone must be impersonating. Wait, hold on, bro. I've been sending. Oh, my goodness. Have you been sending? I've been replying. I thought you needed my, hold on, bro. I've been sending... Oh my goodness. Have you been sending? I've been replying to you. I thought you needed my social security number, bro.
Starting point is 01:48:29 I actually do. Oh, well, I sent it. Not to me. Ask them for it. Alright. Stronger than Stone says, do you think Elon could buy YouTube? How awesome it would be if he did. The future is looking bright, but the distance, I still see a storm.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Get ready to put on your raincoats. Take care, y'all. Elon cannot buy YouTube. YouTube's way too big. And I don't think it's a publicly traded company. It's an asset of, you know, Google. Alphabet, yeah. Is it Alphabet or is it Google?
Starting point is 01:49:00 I think it's still Google, but Alphabet owns Google, right? Right. Or maybe they broke it up. I don't know. All right. He's got as it up. I don't know. Alright. He's got as much debt as he needs right now. Real Man Pra says, Hey Teamcast, Romanian Mountain Man here.
Starting point is 01:49:14 Quote, Victory is written with the blood of the vanquished, and it perfectly represents the new age of culture. P.S. Ian, the love of my eardrums, it's go bells, not ger balls. No ger balls. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:49:27 Go balls. Go balls it is. Go balls. Brew that do says to help pay for your next billboard. We'll see. I am in preliminary discussions with some particular individuals about some very basic billboards that will result in a woke implosion. Let me put it that way. So the idea is just to like, hey, do you want to get a billboard just promoting you? Because we know that when these people see these billboards in Times Square,
Starting point is 01:49:57 they're going to be like, no, because it's not that expensive. It is expensive. Don't get me wrong. If you want to get a good spot, like I said, the big one, 625,000 per week, but there are so many in Times Square and you're not buying the whole billboard you're buying. And some of these things, it is a 15 second digital video in an 18 minute rotation. So it's not as much as people might think it is. They make their money on volume. Yeah, it's going to be a whole lot of fun. We're just going to try and spatter a bunch of ads all over the place. And the thing is for these agencies, they don't care. It's going to be like so-and-so's new book coming out. Check it out.
Starting point is 01:50:33 Timcast.com. And people are going to see this dude's face and they're going to be like. You're going to trend. I already said you're going to trend on Twitter. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll see how it plays out. We'll see how it plays out. All right.
Starting point is 01:50:44 Let's see what we got. Alphonse says, shout out to Lids for calling MO great yesterday. Libertarian culture, Ozarks, caves, and toasted ravioli. I love that. Absolutely. We had constitutional carry before Texas, and our pizza makes Chicago's looks like poopoo garbage. Excuse me? Y'all should have moved here instead.
Starting point is 01:51:03 Best state in the union. That's a great state. What state? Missouri. Missouri. Wow. You know what they say. Missouri loves company. You know what they say. Gotta get a slice of that Missouri pizza. That's right.
Starting point is 01:51:15 You know what they say. Sure does make Chicago pizza look real bad. We special order Missouri pizza. Missouri. We laugh at you. No, I'm kidding. I love Missouri.
Starting point is 01:51:29 But the pizza thing, come on. Get out of here. East St. Louis pizza. Because it's still Illinois and Illinois has Chicago? No, it doesn't count. Sorry. All right. Adam Brenneman says,
Starting point is 01:51:41 Jimmy Kimmel stopped doing celebrities read mean tweets after Obama read Trump's tweet, then said Trump would never be president. Oh, right. That was a great moment. Yikes. Oh, brutal, man. That was great. That was so good. Mike S says, Disney doesn't say gay in China.
Starting point is 01:51:55 That's right. That's for sure. AM says, just scared the chickens awake per super chat whilst they were sleeping. Sorry. Oh, no. Chickens. Chickens. So the issue is that
Starting point is 01:52:05 Chris P., our chicken tender, Chris P., chicken tender, was on a secret mission and unable to take care of the speaker going off, but I think they've taken care of it all right now because they're back. I just had a thought about Obama trash-talking Trump and basically
Starting point is 01:52:22 encouraging him to run against him. Like in a war, you don't torture. He did it at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. So in a real war, you don't torture your opponents when you beat them. So if we're in a culture war, at what point is it considered torturing people when they're down?
Starting point is 01:52:37 Like, Taylor Lorenz, like, I want to lay off this girl right now because she's held captive and I don't want to torture the woman. You know, I think there's some people who kind of deserve it. Torture? Well, I'm not saying torture, but criticism. But criticism.
Starting point is 01:52:51 But if we're really in a culture war, if we're going to use these metaphors, at what point is criticism torturous? So the issue is that she calls criticism torture, and it's like the first time she's ever experienced any kind of contrary voice to her own ideas. I don't think we're in a culture war. I would say if it becomes harassment. I would say if it becomes harassment. I would say if you were like actually
Starting point is 01:53:07 legitimately harassing a person. That becomes a problem. Even torture is... If you make a good point against someone and then they're basically at your will after that, you have them, and then you keep going at them, that's a form of torture. It's definitely not pleasant,
Starting point is 01:53:23 but I don't... It's not real torture. It's not military torture, but it's culture war torture. I don't want to soften the word torture. That's my form of torture. It's definitely not pleasant. It's not real. It's not military torture, but it's culture war torture. I don't want to soften the word torture. That's my concern with that. I don't want to soften the word war. I don't like the word culture war either. Interesting. Interesting. All right.
Starting point is 01:53:34 Amanda Freeman says, San Diego passed law to redefine women to include men. Please discuss this. Well, I don't know too much about that law, but that's about most. Okay. Interesting. I'll look that up. I'm pretty sure New York essentially has that as well. What a historic occasion upon which
Starting point is 01:53:51 people have rights. Oh my goodness. They really think they did something there, I'm sure. How come everyone's putting one in the chat? Did Tim say something? That's you, Ian. Tim must have done something. It was totally Tim, yeah. Probably. All right. Jacob Frederick says, hey, Shim and crew, love the show, but I've heard you talk about Indiana being a pretty good conservative state before,
Starting point is 01:54:10 but I beg to differ. Since we have one of the highest gas taxes in the country and our governor vetoed a ban on trans men in women's sports. That's messed up. They shouldn't have done that. However, I don't think you're going to move to Cook County anytime soon because of how bad Indiana is getting. All I'm saying is compared to where we came from,
Starting point is 01:54:30 Indiana is doing decently. I am very upset to hear what you just mentioned, though, because that's completely unacceptable. Once the red states go, there's nowhere left. It's fear. They're scared to death. Trans people scare me, and I'm a gay man. They're terrifying.
Starting point is 01:54:46 You get the mad boy and poof. I take issue with it though to be honest because it's the ideology. It's the cult. It's not... There are plenty of people who have issues. A woke progressive liberal woman at a school teaching these kids things is the issue.
Starting point is 01:55:01 Right. Oh my god. I always say this because there are trans people who clearly agree with us on ideological grounds. is the issue, right? Right. Oh, my God, yeah. And I always say this because, you know, there are trans people who clearly agree with us on ideological grounds. But also there's this erasure of women where, you know, there's, what was it, this thing came out the other day that it's a uterus?
Starting point is 01:55:16 Department of Education came out with a video that said that it's a person with a uterus. Of course, yeah. The way I see it is, this is predominantly an issue of white liberal women. Yes. And then to a lesser degree men. It's not an issue of trans people.
Starting point is 01:55:41 It's an issue of the weird cult, which is predominantly like millennial white progressives. You've got these teachers who are in these schools and they're not all trans some of them are non-binary but a lot of what we see in these rant videos are just like unwell people who are cultish right i mean it's the same thing that when i was growing up that you're going to turn kids gay if you talk about it and so forth and you know i don't i have a lot of straight tons of more straight friends and gay friends. And trust me, if a guy likes a woman, you're not going to turn him. As much as you can try to convince him all you want, nothing's going to. All right. John Sanchez says, Tim Pool, duel me in Magic the Gathering, you coward.
Starting point is 01:56:16 Well, I only play Commander for the most part, and you'd be obliterated. That's pretty bad. Ian and I stopped playing because it got to the point where whoever went first won. Yeah, too much pay to win. In a draft, though, you might have a chance. I'd still win. The gauntlet is thrown. We'd roll a d20, and then Ian would get a 15, I'd get a 7.
Starting point is 01:56:36 I'd go, oh, good game, Ian. I'd shake his hand. I've been playing Slay the Spire lately. That's my card game. What is that? Digital card game. One of the best math games ever made. If you like turn-based strategy games, check out Slay the Spire.
Starting point is 01:56:46 Right on. Alright, Joseph Albacon says, 67 year old boomer here and long time subscriber. I may not be key demographic, but been following you for five or six years now. Fantastic guest. Wish I was there since I have so much to add. Well, thank you for your support. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:57:02 Alright, John L says, if you're going to watch the zombified vid, you need to check out 5FDP, living the dream vid. It's COVID policy explained. Interesting. Ross Boisvert says, Tim and crew, I'm an AT&T business rep. If you want a second look at options, shoot me a message on Twitter at the new Ross GB, and I can get you my work contact info.
Starting point is 01:57:27 Yeah, maybe. But like, you know, when I walk in and I have impeccable credit and I'm running this business and I say, we just need, you know, hotspot wifi and they're like, looks like the company is requiring you. I'm like, nah, not interested to have a nice day. Not going to happen. You know, I, I, I am not really a fan of having to do certain kind of like special privilege things. I don't like the idea that people use Twitter followings as weight to gain favors from companies. I don't like the fact. Or complain about them. Right.
Starting point is 01:57:56 Like if you're sitting on an airline. Stop. Shut up. No one wants to hear about your late flight. But here's what I don't like. When I was dealing with an airline problem i tweet once the problem is solved they call me instantly we're so sorry sir and i know it works and sometimes you have to do it but i'm like it's so stupid that this has to be this way that you have to shape
Starting point is 01:58:18 them well it's right i should be able to call them up and be like hey man treat me and everyone else like good paying customers if you it's like a two-hour wait to call them up and be like, hey, man, treat me and everyone else like good paying customers. It's like a two hour wait to call an airline these days. You're not going to get through. And so that's the way it is. It's privilege. Through all the money and the politics, there's just nothing that compares to having a mob of people behind you. No, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:58:39 Or a crowd of people behind you. Like it's just unstoppable force. And they're scared. That's what the money is supposed to buy when it's effective right daniel smith says tim fact check your 16 food processing plant fire story great youtuber 2a advocate johnny b mentioned the timcast article in his deep dive video he only found like six actual fires we did i was mildly perturbed at the um the quality of that article it was not good. And I even said the story should have been framed as
Starting point is 01:59:08 Tucker Carlson was talking about it, people on Twitter were talking about it, but you need to understand fires might just happen all the time and we may just have noticed them. However, it is true because we did the fact checking, there actually were substantially more fires
Starting point is 01:59:22 this year in the first quarter than I think all of last year. So something did happen but um you know we just had bad links and bad sources and so you know these things happen i got no problem saying that uh we we make mistakes we correct them when we can you know we try not to make mistakes if we were like the daily beast we would just say no and we'd leave it up for the clicks because the Daily Beast doesn't correct their articles. All right. T. Didymus says, I can't believe Tim Pool spent so much money
Starting point is 01:59:51 on a Times Square ad. Harumph! Yeah, we didn't. It's so cheap. Yeah, it was really crazy. I was always wondering, like, how does this stuff work? And then I Googled it
Starting point is 02:00:00 and it's like, log in, submit your ad, and we'll play it. And I'm like, it's that fast? Yo, they're just TV screens. But also you, if you want an analogous of that, at the moment you had a fire. You took $18 of gasoline and just threw it on it because whatever you paid for the thing was six.
Starting point is 02:00:20 I mean, that thing, that picture of that went everywhere. Oh yeah, Tucker Carlson shouted us out. I saw it in a friend in Spain. Daily Wire hooked it up. You know? Went everywhere. Yeah. Daily Wire already had the billboard.
Starting point is 02:00:32 And then the secondary story was her responding and, you know, her being upset. You know, my issue with it is just that she uses the Washington Post as a weapon. This is what these journalists do. They're typically activists. They have no real power. So they get jobs at major institutions, and it's like they're using someone else's 50 cal. So I said, let me play the same game. Let me get a billboard.
Starting point is 02:01:00 That's how I feel about the president, man. These people get elected through a popularity contest, and then they get all this institutional power like what right does he have to create a board of mistrust that he's going to start yeah that's crazy that's an abusive it's an abuse of institutional power and menthol cigarettes all the same yeah all right yeah i just i want to mention this again about taylor lorenz the woman was on msnbc literally crying because she said she's so worried about what people might do with her information. So she knows there are bad actors online and even dangerous actors online. And she finds someone who she doesn't like politically, and she throws their address out to the public.
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