Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #529 - Biden Admin SLAMMED For Shuttering Gas Leases Amid RECORD High Gas w/Will Chamberlain

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

Tim, Ian, Seamus of FreedomToons, and Lydia join lawyer and friend Will Chamberlain to discuss the GOP slamming Biden for shutting down multiple oil and gas leases even as gas prices skyrocket, a left...ist meme asking if there are any laws imposed upon men's bodies (spoiler alert: Obviously), the pallets of infant formula being sent to provide illegal immigrants intercepted at the southern border as American parents fight to find supplies for their own children, the staggering amount of money Democrats voted to send to war in Ukraine, and the incoming diesel shortages. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Believe it or not, there are several gas and oil leases being shut down right now in the U.S. and Joe Biden is getting ripped apart because he's getting slammed over it. His administration gas prices just hit a new all time record high average at four dollars and forty one cents. And people are feeling it. There's also formula shortages and a report coming out that illegal immigrant processing centers are getting baby formula. Yeah. You looked shocked as soon as I said it. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:32 It's like the two things you shouldn't do when things are bad. So my point is the shuttering of oil and gas leases is not 100% on the Biden administration, but some of it is. And I think it does show bad leadership, period, for whatever reason it happened. And it's just remarkable how many people try and say, it's not Joe Biden's fault. Everything's falling apart. I don't care what you think in terms of the fault. Regular people right now are reeling from the economic crisis in an election year. I think November is going to be absolutely brutal. We've got a couple other stories, though. Youngkin has finally stepped up and said the people protesting at the Supreme Court,
Starting point is 00:01:09 just as his homes, should be arrested. We have this report about Merrick Garland. Apparently, he's got the FBI going after parents over this whole school thing with CRT. And I believe the report says he's lying about it, so we'll get into all that stuff. And then we have in Texasas a law barring social media companies from censoring people was actually just reinstated so that's going to get spicy we'll talk about that along with elon musk and joining us to discuss this is will chamberlain good to be with you guys um senior counsel at the internet accountability project which fights big tech
Starting point is 00:01:41 abuses and pushes for regulation on big tech companies from a conservative perspective and the article 3 project which previously pushed for the confirmation of Trump's judges and now just generally opposes the left's attempts to put really wacko liberals in the court. Well, all right. Fantastic. I'm Seamus Coghlan. I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. We just uploaded a video today called Bro v. Wade.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I think you guys should go check that one out. You will enjoy it. And over to you, Ian. Hi, everyone. Love you. Hopefully we can maybe focus less on blaming people for this crap and work together and figure out how to make it better. That's what I'm here for. I think it's your fault. That sounds like
Starting point is 00:02:16 something you would say if it was your fault. Right now you have leftists arguing that cryptocurrency is a scam and advocating for all the leftists to get away from it and never buy it, never buy in, never support it. And Ian's still like, they're good people. I support them. Yeah, I want to help them change their message because cryptocurrencies that don't have a utility are intrinsically, scamishly, trashy.
Starting point is 00:02:35 But the utility brings value to the token. You've got massively funded, special interest, industrial complex funded NGOs, screwing up a little guy. You're not. It's like the Wild West of economy before we made laws to make that stuff illegal. No, no, no. I'm talking about the political advocacy against crypto from the left specifically. Oh, I can't wait to get into it tonight. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:02:55 I just thought, sorry, I don't want to bring the tone down, but today's news really kind of infuriated me between the news of the gas leases being canceled and this formula that Americans actually really kind of need because parents are being forced to drive around with $5 a gallon gasoline to find formula for their children. A little bit infuriating. So hopefully we can keep happy. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com and become a member to help support our work. As a member, you'll get access to exclusive segments of the TimCast IRL podcast that go
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Starting point is 00:03:56 So Timcast.com. But don't forget to smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show if you really like it. Let's read this first story we got. The Biden administration cancels prominent oil and gas leases. One environmentalist said the announcement was good for the climate, which can't handle new oil and gas development.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Well, let's get to the nuance here. Quote, due to a lack of industry interest in leasing in the area, the department will not move forward with the proposed Cook Inlet OCS oil and gas lease sale 258, a Department of Interior spokesperson told Fox Business. However, there's also the Department of Interior ending two leases for the Gulf of Mexico region because of conflicting court rulings that impacted work on these proposed lease sales. So I'm not going to come out here and try and play some tribal nonsense where it's like Joe Biden arbitrarily just destroyed an oil and gas lease. There's actually questions about whether or not these companies are trying to drill for oil. But I wonder, when you get a president like
Starting point is 00:04:57 Joe Biden, who actually shuts down an oil pipeline at this time, how many companies feel safe investing tons of money in new infrastructure that Joe Biden might turn around and just shutter overnight without due process, just executive order, you're done. Why would an oil and gas company want to go build in Alaska when the president has already shown he will destroy your investment? This is bad leadership. I agree with that, actually. I'm not a huge advocate of burning unlimited fossil fuel without attempting to recover recover the carbon but it seems like maybe this is he's incentivizing people to get off oil but it's like just a dumb way to do it like i'll destroy
Starting point is 00:05:36 everything so you stop using it doesn't make any sense to me well so you in in the gulf instance you've got environmentalists we just had had that story about the electrical plant shutting down. I think it was called Talon because they said regulations on climate change. So they're like, we're shutting down. Yo, I'll tell you this. You think the baby food shortage is bad? Let me just lay it out for everybody because they're like, what did Joe Biden do to make the gas prices go up? All these fact checkers are like, it's not true.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Joe Biden bans oil and gas leases on federal lands. Speculation goes up because supply is expected to be diminished in the U.S. He just shuts down the Keystone pipeline. How much money did that cost the oil industry? A lot. And I'm not saying I like the oil industry, guys. Then all of a sudden they're like, why aren't they investing to build new new oil drilling up in Alaska? It's their fault. We're not getting any of this stuff done. Why would anyone want to invest in the United States energy production when Joe Biden has shown he has complete disdain for it? You're going to lose all your money.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Go build in Saudi Arabia or go build in Qatar and build that pipeline or whatever. Yeah, it's really childish, right? I mean, there's a reason. I'm not generally like this Russia hawk or whatever, but Russia literally did fund green energy groups in the United States to try and push against domestic oil production, which is kind of an obvious thing to do from their perspective, because, hey, that gives them, allows them to kind of corner the market and increases demand for their natural resources, which they're perfectly happy to draw in whatever way they want to see fit. And so I think, yeah, I mean, I was looking at some of the information. I don't
Starting point is 00:07:04 know that the cancellation of these leases was more about them like giving up on a couple of like ones that had a had some conflicting court rulings about yeah it was the gulf um and i there was like even democrats and i think there was like a tim tim kane was on giving a speech about hey we really need to increase production here i don't know if you guys are are trying hard enough here in the administration like i don't know i feel i feel like we're in a phase where it's like you've got i think the white house probably is now because they're so full bore towards ukraine into russia they're like okay fine we'll let the oil and gas leases run but maybe the message hasn't trickled down to the
Starting point is 00:07:37 bureaucrats yet take a look at this triple a gas prices 441 i I guarantee you the Biden White House does not like this, right? Like they're like, there are a lot of things they're conniving. They're obnoxious, but they're not complete morons. So they they do know that, you know, gas prices at this level will lead to them losing power. No, no. I mean, you know, the dudes who are engaged in a bank heist are not stupid. But why would you assume that they're looking out for your best interest? No, they're not right. Like that's I but why would you assume that they're looking out for your best interest no they're not right like that's i i don't assume that ever that they're looking at for their best interest i just know we're six months out of an election and the joe biden election to me would be like john dillinger like trying to get appointed as the head of a bank
Starting point is 00:08:18 branch and people being like i never heard of this guy he sounds great and we're like please please do not give this guy i'm telling you he's going to loot the coffers. And they're like, I don't know. He looks trustworthy. Cool name, too. And then all of a sudden, you know, the bank is failing. And you're like, I can't believe this is happening. Well, Joe Biden's crooked. He's always been crooked. You put a crooked guy in charge. Crooked things happen. And now all these people are like, why is gas higher than it's ever been? Yeah, they try to play the game. It's not Joe Biden's fault. It is Vladimir Putin and the unprecedented pandemic. And it's like, dude, if Joe Biden didn't cancel Keystone, if he didn't ban oil and gas leases on federal lands, if they weren't making the moves they're making now. My point, I'll just summarize it with this.
Starting point is 00:08:58 If Donald Trump was president, he would be like, you know, he'd be yelling, get me the head of these companies. I want them in here right now. What's going on? They're making me look bad. We need to get these prices down. And they would have a meeting. You'd hear in the press that the CEOs of these companies are coming to the Oval Office. Donald Trump would be like, what do we got to do to get you producing?
Starting point is 00:09:17 They'd say, these regulations are impeding us. And he'd be like, we're getting rid of them. Get the oil baby drill. And the prices would be going down. And then they'd be fracking. I heard earthquakes have gone up because of fracking. If you look at Oklahoma earthquakes where there's no earthquakes, all of a sudden, since they started fracking, you see massive amounts of microquakes.
Starting point is 00:09:34 They're not huge. But that's a good thing. Of course. Earthquakes are always fantastic. What's happening is they're taking liquid out of the earth, and it's leaving a craterous vacuum in there, and then the crust just ends up slipping on itself. Well, they're injecting hydraulic fluid. Yeah, and they inject weird chemicals
Starting point is 00:09:49 back in. I mean, just look on the bright side. Now that we know we're creating earthquakes, maybe we can create some kind of earthquake generator. Oh, yeah. A piezoelectric energy producer. We'll get even more energy out of it. That's more brilliant than ever before. You know, turning problems into solutions that are better than what we had at the beginning is a human thing.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Yeah, that's true. It would be funny if – have you guys ever seen those flashlights where you beat them and they charge? Show me that again. You beat them? Oh, yeah. I think I know what you're talking about. They have a magnet in it and there's a copper coil. And when you make the motion, it throws the magnet back and forth, which then generates a current and will charge up the battery.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So all you've got to do is that – that's not piezoelectricity. Piezoelectricity is like molecular vibration or something. Yeah, it's friction-based energy. So once the earthquake happens, you have all these magnets bouncing up and down in the coils, and you're just generating free energy. So after you get the oil – or I'm sorry, the gas. Was it shale? Is it shale oil, actually? Is it oil?
Starting point is 00:10:47 I don't know. After you extract the fossil fuels and everything's crumbling all around you, you just have the electrical generation and you extract more energy. It's perfect. I think that's actually a really good idea. We should see if we can do that. It's probably going to take some years. I'm nerve-wracking now.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Wow. This sounds like Russian disinformation. It does, yeah. But, I mean, your point earlier about the Russian government sending funding towards certain environmental groups to try to discourage the production of oil in the United States is so depressing, and it's just so indicative of how abysmally easily the population and the political system is influenced in this country by people who understand our way of thinking. So the American government does not really understand the way Russian culture operates, the way Russians think,
Starting point is 00:11:32 or the way that the Chinese population thinks, but they actually understand the way we think really, really well to the point where we are extremely easy for them to manipulate. Like, yes, climate change. No, use other people's oil. Yes, stop making in your own country. But you're still using the fossil fuels. You're still using them.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Do they not cause pollution if they come from Russia? It's ridiculous. We need to invade Alaska. Yes. Like the four of us? Yes, the four of us. We need to invade. I'm down.
Starting point is 00:12:06 We own it, though i'm not i'm kidding like we invade it for oil right let it secede and then reinvade it i don't know i think send in the troops and then you know let's liberate alaska i'm trying to do that to california right you let it secede you read you invade it you occupy it you
Starting point is 00:12:21 turn it into a colony like an old school territory no electoral votes and we've solved most of the country's problems yeah there was no subjects there was a fantastic uh there's a fantastic babylon b headline a while ago is biden gives alaska back to russia so they can drill for oil there now so we can drill for oil there right right right i do i do like that idea of california being uh it's, no, they seceded. All right. Take it back. It's ours now.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Right. It's a colony. You made an interesting point. They're called Native Americans. They're not Native Californians. Oh, yeah. The people are there. I think you mentioned that politicians are easily swayed.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Is that what you were saying earlier? Our political system is very easily swayed if you understand the way people think. You really need a strong leader. Like, Biden's not as strong. He's a weak-minded older man that seems to be kind of disparate. But if you have a strong-minded young person, that can also be dangerous because then they don't listen. You don't want someone that doesn't listen. But you need someone that isn't swayed
Starting point is 00:13:14 by nonsense or the wind, you know? Yeah, they're a representative, but they still have to have a strong mind. Trump was swayed by a lot of nonsense. Yeah, but well, here's... John Bolton. To your point, Ian, you want someone, right? So you want someone ideally who's strong-minded and has a solid moral compass. You don't want someone who's weak-minded with a solid moral compass, right?
Starting point is 00:13:33 You don't want someone who's strong-minded with a poor moral compass. We have someone who's weak-minded and has a poor moral compass. Yeah, I mean, he was a plagiarist in 1988. He had to drop out of the presidential election because he was found plagiarizing his presidential campaign. Just look up Biden Inc. by Politico. And they show you this map showing how every time he gets appointed to some position, his brother gets rich off of it. It's like, oh, something like that. It's like, what a coincidence. Obama puts him in charge of Iraq and then all of a sudden his brother's getting contracts in Iraq. Amazing. I think it's just a good sign that he's doing, you know, fortune has smiled upon him because he's such a
Starting point is 00:14:04 good guy. No, it makes sense. I mean,, you know, fortune has smiled upon him. He's such a good guy. No, it makes sense. I mean, they're brothers. They're both equally talented. It's no surprise that his brother is doing so well in the exact same areas. Yeah, his brother was awesome. And then I don't care if he's his brother or not. Well, why was his brother the first one in the Biden family to attend college?
Starting point is 00:14:18 Is that true? No, that was his speech he played. I was like, why am I the first biden to attend college he did he like is hilarious because it's one thing to plagiarize a speech as a politician and take some sort of banal utterance about freedom or equality or these things that usually come up in political speeches he literally took someone's background story like this there's a british politician talking about neil kinnick yeah oh he was like the first in his family to go to college and they were working class and biden literally gives the guy's speech with a couple details changed it's people like echoes of biden's 1987 plagiarism scandal continue to reverberate from this is uh washington post you mentioned neil kinnick how is he involved in the plagiarism scandal well it's
Starting point is 00:15:00 that's the that's whose speeches biden plagiarized right? Neil Kinnock was like a leader of the opposition in Britain when Margaret Thatcher was prime minister. And literally, Kinnock had just given these speeches as leader. And Biden's like, that's a really good speech. And it's funny. And then after he heard Biden plagiarized them, he went, come on, man. And then Joe Biden was like, I like that. That's a good one.
Starting point is 00:15:24 We had an article here from The Guardian. Trudeau, Nash, Chauvin, and Pressure. Neil Kinnick on Biden's plagiarism scandal, in quotes, and why he deserves to win. Quote, Joe's an honest guy. This is the guy who he plagiarized. No way. That's insane. Are we sure Biden didn't put those words in his mouth?
Starting point is 00:15:39 He's got to be around for once. Build Back Better was plagiarized. It's September 2020 when that article came out. I bet it was just political propaganda because the guy hated Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Build Back Better was plagiarized, and I think it was Boris Johnson called him out, I think, right? He was like, Build Back Better, that's our thing, and Joe Biden started using it. That's hilarious.
Starting point is 00:15:59 It's amazing. It's just so crazy. He's like, come on, man, when I made Brexit happen. No, he's hysterical. It's amazing. It's just so crazy. He's like, come on, man. When I made Brexit happen. No, he's hysterical. It's sad. And we laugh at it, but at the same time, you sort of have to. The reality is this man is president of the United States. The actual sitting president of the United States.
Starting point is 00:16:15 The thing is, you know he is not right for that spot because when you're the VP for two turns, you run for president next. That every time. That's very true. And he was nowhere. Gone. Totally disinterested. And Obama didn't want him to, right? That's the thing. terms you run for president next that every time it's very true it's a very good point nowhere gone totally disinterested and like obama didn't want him to right that's the thing like obama sort of settled on biden but like can you call him an f up you just just don't underestimate his capability to screw things up right like you don't have to do this joe hold on though you guys aren't being fair biden stepped down because he's a humble man and then when he saw charlottesville happen he said i need to run for president that's right he built the fires within
Starting point is 00:16:49 i wonder who actually said that first yeah that's such a ridiculous like some lesser known democrat who actually said that and he was like that's pretty good man that's hysterical that's so insane like as if joe biden actually he saw that happening he's like you know what this is a good opportunity to make my family some more money. It would actually be really funny if it was true. It would be funny if it really was like Joe Biden sitting in his basement, like flipping channels. And then he sees like CNN. He's like, oh, I have to run for president.
Starting point is 00:17:20 And then he like stands up and then he like shuffles out of, you know, with his in his towel and his dog. So we have a non-entity as president, right? Like, do you even think no one thinks he's actually running the country. Oh, I do. Like, sort of. Sort of. Like, it's his people. I don't think it's his people. I think his geriatric nurse is making the calls.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Yeah. And so it's like, it's like one of those old tropes where the old man's in the bed and like the nurse is sitting there and she's like, Biden says he wants to shut down oil leases. And they're like,
Starting point is 00:17:44 well, I guess Biden wants it. And like Kamala walks out like, well, everyone wants to shut down oil leases. And they're like, well, I guess Biden wants it. And Kamala walks out like, well, everyone trusts his nurse. Yeah, man. His aunt's chief. No, no. Who was the dude who was whispering into the Lord of the Rings? Wormtongue. Wormtongue.
Starting point is 00:17:57 There's historical precedent for that. That happened. Woodrow Wilson was president. He had a stroke when he was negotiating Versailles. And his wife basically ran the country for the remainder of his term. Wow. So like Kamala is basically Wormtongue. Is that what it's named?
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah. And so Biden's in there like, brr. And then she's like, he says, shut down the gas leases. What are we saying, Mr. President? Yeah. And then Trump's – someone should make the meme. Then Trump returns the return of the king. Oh, my goodness do you think will do you think that there's a political solution to the chaos or do you look towards the private sector more to a political to what chaos having biden as president
Starting point is 00:18:34 because yeah i mean yes there's a political solution every biden is president right kick him out but how can we do you think that's even politically possible sure i mean not not in the short term right but like you can i, you're going to have Democrats in charge of the White House and therefore the agencies for the next two years. There's not really doing anything about it until you elect a Republican and things get better. In terms of like a lot
Starting point is 00:18:56 of these specific problems, I mean, there's no... I don't know. I worked for the Seasteading Institute. You want to have like privately created countries or something and compete that way. Not getting them out. I'm not talking about getting them out. I'm just talking about we're in a situation where we have no leadership. I feel like there's very, very little to no leadership in the country.
Starting point is 00:19:11 So what would be a short-term solution? Do you see one politically? No, there's no short-term solution to a lack of leadership from the White House. I mean, we're just going to have to deal with that. We've got like two and a half more years of Brezhnev or whatever basically and then you know we'll have a chance to actually replace him what's brezhnev brezhnev was like the soviet leader who was very in a similar situation to biden where he was just very very old very very sick um and you know there were all these people talking about how healthy and vigorous he was in the in pravvda. Right. Like that was, he was notorious for,
Starting point is 00:19:45 you know, just like being kind of, you know, Russia had a really sclerotic decline at that point. The guys who were running it were all the old revolutionaries who are now really old. well, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:56 you sort of mentioned the propaganda arm doing everything they could to make him sound as if he was competent and in good health. And they're still doing that with Joe Biden, even though we see footage of the man speaking and it's abundantly clear to anyone who observes it that the man is not in his right mind he wasn't in his right mind during the primaries i went when i went to ohio to hang out with my parents uh like over christmas last year i i was like yeah you know joe biden's a mess and they were like no joe biden's great and i was like yeah he's experiencing mental cognitive decline. And they're like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Everyone knows it. They're like, there's that. It's obvious. You just put a video clip of him speaking 10 years ago, right? 2012, like when Obama was president. Like perfectly articulate, clear, smooth cadence. I wouldn't say smooth. I mean, more articulate.
Starting point is 00:20:42 But his gaffes then were outrageous as well. Sure, but he just didn't stumble over his words. He had more energy. It sounded like a normal politician speaking in a lot of ways, right? It doesn't sound like that anymore. No, his four years out of the spotlight changed. He changed drastically in those four years. Yeah, it's sundowning.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Is that what it's called? When you get older, you start losing it. In the afternoon. In the afternoon as you're up. So here's this guy. He wakes up in the morning, and he's like, I'm you start losing it. In the afternoon. In the afternoon as you're up. So here's this guy. He wakes up in the morning and he's like, I'm ready to get it. And then within a few hours, he's like, I'm turning on the shop at a pressure. Yep.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Yeah. I can't talk anymore. So the argument the media has tried to make, too, and I don't hear this as often because I think even they realized how ridiculous it was, but that he just has a speech impediment is something we hear quite frequently. No. No, I know. Well, that's ridiculous. Well, I did a cartoon about this called joe biden's speech therapist but basically the idea is like a speech impediment doesn't make you say poor kids are just as bright
Starting point is 00:21:32 and talented as white kids that's not how speech impediments work like that's a gaffe the man says stupid things to rats maybe i don't know i guess but is that a would you consider that a speech impediment how is that defined i'm not sure i guess i know but they would say that he had a stutter like it was his stutter that would cause him to say these things. That's not how a stutter works. A stutter that just suddenly emerges at 78 years old, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:53 in addition to you suddenly just having trouble making sense. Yo, people fall for this stuff. I know. Well, and they will... The stutter argument was useful because what it allowed for them to do was pretend like there wasn't a problem, but also call you mean for pointing out the problem. So when we acknowledge that Biden can't speak straight in that even in a State of the Union address, which was the best he sounded, he sounded somewhat drunk. He was slurring his words.
Starting point is 00:22:20 If you point that out, people could say, hey, that's really mean and disrespectful to say about the president. But it's also true. It's only mean if you acknowledge that out, people could say, hey, that's really mean and disrespectful to say about the president, but it's also true. It's only mean if you acknowledge that it's true. Like, that's not a mean thing to say about someone if it isn't the case. I want to pull up this meme right here we have of Kamala Harris, because, you know, we're talking about people falling for stupid things. This is a meme that's going around that has to do with the confirmation hearing of Brett Kavanaugh. Kamala Harris says, I'll repeat the question.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Can you think of any laws that give the government power to make decisions over the male body? That's a good impression. That is a good impression. Yeah, it's conscription. Next. Also, every other law, because the law governs your corporeal form. They're not like just making laws about your soul. Making decisions about the male body.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Now, this is nuance that she missed in the question. Making a decision about what someone can't do is a decision about the body. Making a decision about what someone has to do is very, very rare. And conscription is one of them. Conscription is specifically for men and their bodies, and they have to be thrown on the grenade for the sake of everybody else. And I think in a real invasion, conscription is fine. Like if we were actually invaded and like all of a sudden we're like, oh, you know, this country has stormed the beaches and they're killing people.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Like, OK, well, then everybody rally together. We're going to die. But, you know, then Vietnam is like not so good. But anyway, that's not the point. The point is people share this. They fall for these memes. And I did a segment earlier because I responded to it by just saying I'm pro choice. I believe men and women both have the right to choose whether or not they are parents.
Starting point is 00:23:53 And that means child support is over. And they all got triggered. And I genuinely didn't think that the liberals would get angry over this. I thought they would agree and be like, yes, no, they were like, men have no choice and no say in the matter women get the choice that's it and i and the reason i bring that up is for one the there's a lot of memes they fall for but the other thing is i think you found a basic argument here when talking to your your typical liberal pro-choice person that shows they'll argue against choice instantly if you say those words no more child support instantly like men have no choice it's like oh okay i thought you were pro-choice no i mean they're not we've talked about it before it's literally just them being pro-abortion they don't care about choice when
Starting point is 00:24:32 it comes to literally any other issue and i said this on the show yesterday but there really aren't other issues that we discuss in that form so if i say a person should be able to choose to own a gun you don't call me pro-choice you call me pro-gun okay well if you're saying someone should be able to choose to have an abortion you are pro-abortion like they're pro-abortion um i don't know because i'm pro-choice when it comes to religion but i'm not pro-religion that is an interesting point that's an interesting point but i think if there were people who were like trying to ban religion we'd probably call them anti-religion and if you were on the argument if you were on the side of the debate saying that religions should be legalized or normalized or something, they probably would call you pro-religion.
Starting point is 00:25:07 And that's a hypothetical, but I'm talking about the actual political issues we deal with. And there really aren't other ones that we have the discussion about where we just say they're in favor of choice and don't discuss what they're talking about choosing. Even when it comes to educational vouchers, we call it school choice. We don't just call them pro-choice. At what point can we refer to the left culture war grifters as anti-disestablishmentarian? Anti-disestablishmentarian. Got it. Soon, I hope.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Almost got it. I missed it. As soon as we do, they'll redefine it, man. What's the definition of that anyway? I mean, I think that word specifically referred to some church thing. It was like a British movement to anti-disestablishment so it's like it must have had something to do with the the church of england but i was just thinking like i was thinking like we're just we're anti-establishment people we like we oppose
Starting point is 00:25:54 the establishment institutions and so these people oppose the people who are anti so it's anti-anti-disestablishment yeah they want they want to come together they want to anti-disestablishment tarians they would reject that. They would say, well, actually, you're on the side of the establishment. We're against the establishment. That's why every fast food company in the country has the same opinions as me. Right. That's why we work for Jeff Bezos' company.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Did you guys see that there was an op-ed in the Washington Post arguing for George Washington University to change its name? I did see that. And, like, the Washington Post is right above it. And I'm just like, you know, we can all sit here and laugh about it. I did see that. sinking and you're stupid and it's a good or that it's a good thing that it's sinking meanwhile the the captain and his crew are looting the silverware and jumping into lifeboats sending all of the valuables to another boat and we're sitting here yelling like they're all but we're all trapped on this boat they're also finding some people on the boat no here here here's some silverware go tell everyone else that everything's fine so then the person's like thanks for the silverware they go back onto the boat and they're like hey guys i guess everything's fine and then as by the time they come back the dude's gone with all the rest of the silverware like, thanks for the silverware. They go back onto the boat and they're like, hey, guys, I guess everything's fine.
Starting point is 00:27:08 And then as by the time they come back, the dude's gone with all the rest of the silverware. Like they're bribing people to lie to us right now. Is the question that Kamala Harris, when she asked a question like this, is she really dumb or is she conniving? Oh, she's conniving. She's dumb. I think it's both. Maybe both. I think it's both.
Starting point is 00:27:22 So I think she's conniving. I think she's intelligent in the way she connives in some respects. But on this issue, I think she's actually probably just dumb. I would not be surprised if she hasn't questioned this particular perspective. Yeah, if you had said, responded in lockstep conscription, she would have just been nodded in stunned silence. Can I just point out that there are a lot of laws prohibiting men from doing specific things with their bodies in public? Gross things, yes. Like, any laws that give the government power specific things with their bodies in public? Gross things, yes. Any laws that give the government power to make decisions about the male body?
Starting point is 00:27:50 Yes. We should get into it on the after show. I don't think we want to say that with kids. But it's a good thing. Like I said, every single law governs your corporeal form. They're not making laws about what you can do with your soul. They're making laws about what you do with your body.
Starting point is 00:28:08 So get this, get this. They're not going to convict you. When I responded to this meme by saying that I was pro-choice and that men should choose to be able to, you know. Like Dave Chappelle made that joke. He's like, if you can choose to kill it, I can choose to at least abandon it. And then everyone left. And I kid you not, the responses I got were,
Starting point is 00:28:26 the man made a choice and he got a woman pregnant and now it's his responsibility he can't just claim and i was like wait a minute what they're saying is all women are raped like every act of sex is actually raped because they're never consent to sex they're saying but i mean quite literally they're saying women get a choice and men don't what if the man for the exact same reasons but they were making pro-life arguments as to why men don't get a choice and i'm just like what are they just anti-men like if i was like if you make a pro-choice argument and i agree with you but then you just all of a sudden give me the pro-life version of it he he made a choice and he could have used birth control i kid you not they said condoms and birth control are readily available.
Starting point is 00:29:05 It's his fault. He has to be responsible for it. And I'm like, are you? Are you? What? We talked about this. We talked about this yesterday. At some point, even if they don't do so in the totality of the position, at some point, left wingers come back around to a right wing position.
Starting point is 00:29:18 They get so far to the left. So the other day I was joking that they'll say things like, well, if abortion is illegal, then men should be forced to take care of the children. They're like, yes, every conservative agrees with that. And on this point, when you when you talk about men and child support, all of a sudden, they're very big fans of personal responsibility and not having sex with someone you wouldn't have a child with. There was a bill in Florida to ban abortion for 15 weeks. So a Democrat proposed an amendment that would require men to pay child support at 15 weeks. And then I was just like, awesome. Yeah, I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:29:51 You know, the pro-life people want marriage. They don't want they want child support from conception. Yeah. They want familial support before conception. Also, like, what kind of insane society do we live in where the political solution is, oh, like, let's legislate that someone should have to pay for his pregnant woman's unborn child? Like, there used to be a social mechanism for that, right? People would get married and have kids. And a man would be ashamed if he was not taking care of the child that he had created with a woman.
Starting point is 00:30:22 It's cultural enforcement and cultural decay. You have to legislate things that society doesn't do. So if people aren't supporting their kids, and you're like, okay, we have to tell them they have to. Culture used to have what Jordan Peterson called cultural... Enforce monogamy?
Starting point is 00:30:37 Enforce monogamy. And then just like every other circumstance where the left has no idea what's going on, they assume what it means without asking questions or doing any basic research, and then they're like, Jordan Peterson wants to force women to marry incels. That's literally not what he's talking about. No, actually, I do. No, I mean, if I see you outside protesting my event, shotgun wedding,
Starting point is 00:30:59 I'm finding an incel, you're marrying him. That's right, fucko. If you don't clean your room, you will marry an incel. I was thinking how horrible it would be if the man decided if the baby was going to be aborted or not.
Starting point is 00:31:10 And it wasn't the woman's choice, it was the man's choice. And the woman's like, no! And the man's like, I've decided. Because if the woman decides and the man goes,
Starting point is 00:31:16 no, the woman doesn't. Well, and this debunks the idea that... There's a video where a guy is on his knees screaming and crying, like bawling his eyes out, screaming, please don't kill my child.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And he has no say whatsoever, no choice. And if the woman says, you know what? I am going to keep it. You have to pay for it. The man gets no choice. Well, Ian, I hear what you're saying, but that also debunks the entire narrative from the left. Uh-oh, they got us. We got knocked off YouTube.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Did we really? I don. Oh, they got us. We got knocked off YouTube. Did we really? I don't know, but keep talking. Okay, so my point is what you're saying, Ian, also demonstrates – I mean it completely debunks the left-wing argument that what conservatives want here is just to control women's bodies, right? Because if that were the case, what conservatives would be saying is, well, women should get abortions. Abortions are fine as long as a man decides, if our investment was truly in just controlling women's bodies. But obviously, it's not the case. Yeah, that would be the worst example of it.
Starting point is 00:32:08 I do think this conversation really, we have it very logically, at least as, I mean, it's not because we're men. It's just in general, we're having this conversation logically. I think a lot of it is in like an emotional thing that women need an extra force of empowerment in society because they do have the burden of carrying the baby. And so just to say like, to cut it into like segments and be like, well, I don't know, this is how I feel. So I, that's why I consider myself pro-choice on the issue. Cause I I've never, I've never, I'm not a woman. I've never been in that situation where I felt like something like that could happen to me. Well, so I agree with part of that. Obviously I'm not pro-choice, but I think you're absolutely correct that the discussion we can become over intellectualized and when you want to you know sort of cut to the moral bedrock of whether something is right or wrong that makes
Starting point is 00:32:51 sense but someone doesn't get an abortion because they heard the violinist argument and we're convinced by it it's not on our end the drop-off has nothing to do with us really yeah this is youtube interesting chat's still live jets jets like the internet still works yeah interesting yeah there's nothing wrong with the internet still works. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the internet. So YouTube's basically shut us down.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Or it could just be a glitch. This happens sometimes. Oh yeah, it's a glitch. Yeah. How awesome. It's a glitch. They're like,
Starting point is 00:33:14 they're making fun of Kamala again. Shut them down. Shut them down. Yeah, she's got her big red Yeah, because like,
Starting point is 00:33:20 on my cell phone, you know, I can't even load chat. Oh, that's crazy. So it's like, definitely YouTube's up. Chicken City's still live. Ian, what did you say this phone, I can't even load chat. Oh, that's crazy. So it's like definitely YouTube. Chicken City is still live. Ian, what did you say this time?
Starting point is 00:33:29 I can't. Chicken City is still live. I think so. I'm looking at Zuby's live. Let's see if Zuby's still live. If Chicken City is live, that's something special. Shout out to Zuby with his 24-hour live stream. Oh, wait.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Zuby is also frozen. Frozen. I think YouTube itself is down. Yeah. I can't load YouTube at all. Hold on. Are you on the Wi-Fi, though? Oh, man, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Mine just froze, too. Are you using cell signal, though? I'm using cell, yeah. Yeah, I'm on cell and I can't connect. I'm able to use YouTube. I'm on cell. I'm not on internet. Sounds like a...
Starting point is 00:34:02 Nope, just Google. Google thing. Someone just said pool's closed. Pool's closed? No! Don't blame me. No, it's not on internet. Sounds like a... Nope, just Google. Google thing. Someone just said pool's closed. Pool's closed. Pool's closed. No! Don't blame me. No, it's not my fault.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Okay, so let's see. Chicken City. You can't fix this one. I think Chicken City's down. Yeah, it's on YouTube's end. Yep. I'm about confirmed on that one. Lydia, the stream is down.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Whoa, the chat is on fire. The chat's getting crazy. Are all the live streams down? It looks like it, yeah. I just checked three. And they're not working? Yeah, none of them were. But the Wi-Fi is working and everything's loading. Yep. Yeah, it is on fire. Are all the live streams down? It looks like it, yeah. I just checked three. And they're not working? Yeah, none of them were. But the Wi-Fi is working and everything's loading.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Yeah, it's on them, not us. Oh, well. Maybe YouTube's being attacked. Chicken City looks like it is live. I thought so, too, but it was dark. Oh, I got a live one. I got a live one. You got a live one?
Starting point is 00:34:39 Yeah, I found a live stream. Yeah, Chicken City appears to be working. We should just have a backup Chicken City. Yeah, you can hop over. Mark, quick, everybody. Let's go to Chicken City appears to be working. We should just have a backup Chicken City. Yeah, you can hop over. Quick, everybody, let's go to Chicken City. Oh, maybe I just saw a buffered thing. I think they buffered 15 seconds when I click on a stream. Let me see if it keeps going.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Technical glitches. The segment where the stream goes down. It's unbelievable. I wonder why this is happening. It's Seamus' fault, probably. It's probably because Will Chamberlain's here. Because I've been on the show a lot of times, and it hasn't frozen, but he's here. Who was on last time this happened?
Starting point is 00:35:12 I don't remember. I remember it did freeze on Ian. I was talking about Vanguard and BlackRock and everything paused. It was Ian. Was it Pozo? I don't remember. Yeah, I think it was. Can we take this opportunity to swear our brains?
Starting point is 00:35:23 No. We can keep talking. I'm still going to have to work with the file. Keep the show going. We'll be uploading this to Rumble. Rumble? We should upload this one to Rumble because it got pretty junked. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Well, I'm going to upload the whole episode to all podcast platforms, and I'll use the raw file to make clips for us. Cool. How's family life, Will? Oh, yeah. They just came back. We're back. We're back.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Did you hear my question, guys? Yeah. I wonder how much of that dropped off. Yeah. I'm curious how much of our discussion disappeared. Seamus saying all his bank personal information. Yeah. All the racist stuff.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Did you guys get his social? Honestly, dude, I've never had a gaffe like that before. So you can see the red on my neck. Everybody, that was YouTube, not us. Yeah, not us. Our internet is completely fine. And I believe Chicken City never went down. That's right. So you could have been there.
Starting point is 00:36:10 We used the same internet feed for a couple different things, and we had – so this was a YouTube thing. We should have run out to Chicken City. There were other streams that were also not working. Yeah, I checked Zuby's live stream, and that was also paused, and it's still paused. I don't know what's going on. YouTube's under attack youtuber what were we we were talking about something fifth generational warfare you know what i don't remember let's all go home we're talking about abortion but i asked you will how's family life
Starting point is 00:36:34 this connects to the formula shortage well let's talk about the formula shortage you got a story from the daily mail this is what america looks america looks like. GOP rep fumes at pallets of baby formula being sent to border centers for illegal migrants while American babies go without amid nationwide shortage. So she posted this picture she said she got from a border patrol agent.
Starting point is 00:36:57 The first photo is from the Ursula Processing Center at the U.S. border. Shelves packed with baby formula. My favorite thing about it, you're going to love this, is there are signs that say, I think it says like 84. Let me, actually, I don't know if you can see it.
Starting point is 00:37:09 What does it say? It says like 84 times 26 equals 216. And people are like, it says 2016. It's clearly a very old photograph. What? And it's like, dude, they're talking about the amount of baby formula they have. Everybody who says this is fake doesn't have a child or does not purchase formula like it's it's you know i mean but are they really giving it to illegal immigrants instead i'm sure i mean i'm sure they have like
Starting point is 00:37:32 a backup supply right like they've probably got their supply line set up but here's the thing to understand right there's a lot of it's not the hardest to find like the standard issue formula right now right there's sort of like the very basic like most companies that make formula and you know have some sort of like formula that is the default close to similar to breast milk formula right and that's usually that's still available in a lot of places and even if you can't find the brand you've been used to you can find like a version of that the problem is that some babies need these like very niche specialty formulas because they have very special nutritional needs. They just don't tolerate the normal stuff. And those babies are stuck. There might be two companies making that particular
Starting point is 00:38:11 type of formula. And they're scrambling. And it's like they can't eat anything else. And there's people saying... Cow's milk. Right. No, they can't. They can't eat anything else. This is what they eat. Goat's milk. They're scrambling to find it. Right? Horse milk. Horse milk. Right. Oh, no, they can't. They can't eat anything else. This is what they eat. Yeah. Goats milk. Yeah. Like, they're scrambling to find it. Right? Horse milk.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Horse milk, right. You're onto something. Because we tried it. You know, so, I mean, this is a real thing. Like, you know, on our end, like, you know, we have to use formula. It's not, that's not a choice. We need to. And we're lucky that our little Elizabeth tolerates like the standard issue, normal, close to Bresma formula.
Starting point is 00:38:47 So we've been able to switch, but we're about to, we've already switched once, right? We switched away from Similac to like this Amazon house brand. Now we're going to have to switch away from the Amazon house brand because that's out of stock. So we're switching into like something else. Um, and you're just wondering like, what's the next thing that's going to go out of stock, right? Like when's the, when is this going to end?
Starting point is 00:39:03 And, and they're going to get this plant. They shut down the single most biggest production baby formula plant in the country over some health issues. And they haven't reopened it. And it's like there's problems. We've emptied shelves of formula. Well, I just found out that cow's milk has no vitamin C, but horse milk actually has lots of vitamin C. Really? Well, thank you for the suggestion.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Good suggestion, yeah. Well, I mean, I've seen a lot of posts from, you know, we actually made the joke, just breastfeed. And then I can't remember who we had on, but they were like, what did mothers do before Nestle was incorporated? But I understand not everybody can or does. Wet nurses. Yeah, the answer is, yeah, wet nurses, right? Well, literally, right? Unless you
Starting point is 00:39:46 would go down to the town forum and there would be women who could breastfeed and you would hand your child over to the woman whose job it was to literally breastfeed everybody. So women need to create breastfeed pods if they have a baby. No joke. I mean, I don't know what else you're going to do
Starting point is 00:40:02 if your baby's starving, you're going to do what you got to do, right? We have the equivalent, some form of that, in the La Leche League, which is women who donate excess breast milk, which is such an amazing idea. This is an international league where you can go to almost any community. There's one in Frederick. There's a bunch in this area. And you need to hook up with that and see if there's women who are willing to donate because some of them have extra.
Starting point is 00:40:23 So I think that's probably the best source for people who are really struggling to find formula pediatricians say not to make it but i also know that pediatricians get a lot of kickbacks from these companies to recommend these formulas you think a person can live off of nothing but human breast milk uh probably not an adult probably not an adult yeah it doesn't bodybuilders buy it yeah but they're dumb i don't know it's it's but yeah i mean there's people who are like and then that doesn't serve itself they're like some babies who can't tolerate breast milk they really do need very specific things well i mean but let's be real will you know i don't think your child is deserving of it because there are oppressed marginalized babies
Starting point is 00:40:58 right there was somebody who tweeted you consider that we tweeted out that i was like deserve it well we tweeted out that i was well stocked on formula, right? Because like we, I've seen this coming. This has been in the news. So, you know, we got like maybe two months of formula in the, just in the pantry. And somebody, somebody, you know, tweeted me. It's like, what about other people's babies? You're being selfish.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Like, do you, do you think your child is more important than other people's children? I was like, yes. I do care more about my child. Yes. Other people's children are other people's job. My child is my job. I just love that question. Do you think your kids are more important?
Starting point is 00:41:30 Yes. Yes. Of course. Yeah. No, I mean, look, it's a serious problem. We can talk about all the other inflationary pressures people are facing, but a shortage of formula for the families who really need it. I mean, that is devastating. I mean, it's like the only food.
Starting point is 00:41:44 Like, imagine going to the grocery store and there's nothing there. That's the equivalent for these children who can eat one thing and that's their entire diet. Now hold on. That's an unbelievable scandal. We got these photos, right? Here's a photo from the store of the empty baby formula section.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Explain to those who don't understand. It looks like there is formula. Can't parents just buy these formulas? First off, it means you have to switch who don't understand. It looks like there is formula. What's the, can't parents just buy these formulas? So first off, it means you have to switch, right? Like no matter what. So like there's only one brand that actually has canisters, right? That's the, it looks like Enfamil, which is on the top row. Then you have like, that means,
Starting point is 00:42:15 so if your kid is used to and tolerates some other formula, like Similac, which is the other major brand, or like the house brands, like you don't really like switching formula because your baby tolerates and it works. You want to stick with the same one. Um, but that, so basically it means like, it doesn't matter if you've been using Similac or any other brand, guess what? The only thing available today is Enfamil. And over, moreover, not all the Enfamil is up there. So if your baby tolerates a very specific, like kind of skeet type of formula, say one that's
Starting point is 00:42:42 like lactose free for sensitive or something, you know, there's, there'sum there's a wide variety well that might not be there so guess what the formula your baby tolerates isn't at the store so you need to go to another store um you just drive and moreover it's like you know there's there's not that much on the shelf right there right like you know the the similac thing that little the the bottle that's like nothing because the powder is actually where you actually can feed your kid in bulk right? Like the way most people end up making formulas, you get the powder in bulk, you add water, and you mix it. And so like one canister of powder will last you like a week, right? That little like thing, the bottle on the middle shelf, right? That will last you, you know, 12 hours, right?
Starting point is 00:43:22 That's like 12 hours of food. We got to make wet nurses great again. Right, apparently. That's a problem. It's not that most babies will probably be able to tolerate one of the formulas that's on the top shelf, but that's not good, and it really needs to not get worse. And then for some babies, that's a huge problem.
Starting point is 00:43:40 I'm wondering how often do societies go through this period where there's like this fall off you know what i mean a strife i suppose we can make references to strass out generational theory of the fourth turning or whatever but i'm wondering you know all of a sudden we had this luxury that is that is formula we used to need wet nurses that was the normal human thing we invented formula we invented a process by which we could feed babies. And now all of a sudden it's a shock to our system that we don't have it. If we were still doing traditional wet nurse stuff, nobody would care about this. So it seems like the developments and everything we've had being ripped away, gas prices through the roof, you can't drive anymore, it's hard to work, it's hard to buy a house, food shortages,
Starting point is 00:44:22 diesel shortages, baby formula shortages, cat food shortages. It's like we reached this plateau of luxury and now we're being dropped off. And I'm wondering, does that happen often? It seems like it's part of the system of growth because I was thinking last night, what if I just disposed of my feces in the woods? I'd be like, well, it wouldn't be a problem as a one-off. I could do it one time, but it's not sustainable. And as the city grows, not everyone can just go dump their waste in the woods.
Starting point is 00:44:47 And I think the same thing – Yo, they should sort out their windows. Yeah, exactly. When you have a few enough people, it's fine. Just send it over the hill over there, and you don't have to think about it. But once society grows to a point you can't – like wet nurses, maybe you could argue that wet nurses no longer made sense. I think in this society they could.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Mandatory milking. Well, wet nurses, I mean, it's not economical, right? Like, you know, as opposed to paying in terms of, but the thing is it's not fragile. Yeah, I'll tell you this right now. I'm willing to bet women who are overproducing are making a good penny. Oh, I'm sure they are.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Because you've already had women who sell their breast milk to bodybuilders. And I guess the idea is they're like like human breast milk is formulated perfectly for humans so bodybuilders buy it and they're like you know they want it but you also have mothers who buy it when they when they can't produce because they prefer breast milk over formula i think the demand the demand is obviously through the roof so you know we joke about wet nurses but it's it's probably in full swing right now it It is happening. Could well be, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Well, isn't it interesting that this new development, and don't get me wrong, I love science. I think that scientific advances are amazing. And part of the reason we require formula is because we're able to deliver and sustain babies as young as 21 weeks. But it is very interesting that this scientific development is pushing us away from other people. It is keeping us from relying on somebody like a wet nurse. And of course you don't want to be tied to another person, but it's dissolving the community. That's the answer.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Tied to the other person. Right. No more removal of umbilical cords until. That's right. I agree. Absolutely. You don't got to worry about formula. The baby is just.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Placenta baby. The mom eats the cheeseburger and the baby grows. Yes. I can speak like form. Formula is a wonderful invention. There's a lot of people who rely on it for a reason. You know, like the, in terms of, you know, reliably, I mean, cause like, you know, breastfeeding is not for everybody, right?
Starting point is 00:46:33 Like it can be a real, real struggle for people. For us, we absolutely needed to switch to formula. Like it wasn't, it wasn't really an option by the time like we were, we made that decision. For sure. I just mean, I ask ask what does that mean for our civilization if planes for instance all of a sudden the cost of flying is getting really really difficult it's it's going up for a lot of people what happens when these inventions these uh these standards that you know we'd call them luxuries 100 years ago they become standards what happens
Starting point is 00:47:00 when we lose those are we in for a long fall what are you talking about electricity maybe the central electric grid. We're so used to that. Yeah, it's like a Jenga tower. If you take out the wrong block at the wrong time. Well, you're seeing the blocks of diesel because with diesel going up, diesel is how we get all of the products that go on our store shelves. You pull out one pin, and I don't think that people understand this
Starting point is 00:47:21 because we've lived such fluffy, protected lives for so long now. And I remember there was a point in time where you could watch anything on your computer. You could order anything through DoorDash and you could go to the store and get everything. And I remember thinking, this is amazing. We're incredibly lucky. It's all about to fall down. And I don't remember why I thought that. But pretty soon after that, we ended up with COVID.
Starting point is 00:47:40 We started to have supply chain disruption. And I'm starting to think that was the peak. I don't know if it's all downhill for us or not, but it's not looking good. And I'm starting to think that was the peak. I don't know if it's all downhill for, or for us or not, but it's not looking good. And I think it's only going to get worse. Tim, you asked earlier about our society and how,
Starting point is 00:47:52 if it frequently happens like this kind of, this kind of cycle or this kind of thing. And it's like, yeah, we can think of America as a society, but realistically the globe is a society. The entire species is society and starvation and famine is prevalent in the 1900s you not only have the hold'em war which is human caused you've got the cultural revolution in china
Starting point is 00:48:09 which i don't know how many millions of people died from starvation because of that and right today we'll talk about um over there where we're bombing in yemen i think that the americans are involved in the saudis bombing yemen and the famine so like famine So famine, it's almost always there. And if you're on the wrong end of the stick, hopefully you know how to fast. Let's talk about this. While we're dealing with these formula shortages, and Will was able to accurately articulate
Starting point is 00:48:35 the problem that parents are facing with this shortage, let's talk about additional Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, $40 billion going to eastern a war in eastern europe to aid a country that is not a not a nato ally not an eu member state but for some reason we should send one of the largest war packages in history you know what really freaks me out is this right here i mean isn't this a little effing odd? That's what I said. Every single Democrat. Yay. Not a single, no, not a single one of them.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Republicans, it's like two to one. It's almost like they're going to get kickbacks from this. Or they just hate the people they claim to represent. They have no concern for protecting their own countrymen. They don't have any desire to ensure that the people back home have any kind of relief. It's all about ensuring that other people imagine being like an anti-war democrat voters like like someone who still believes what democrats believed i don't know a decade ago or you know it just i'd be i'd be depressed if i were them like i think glenn greenwald did i mean the whole squad voted for all this crap the entirety of the squad look. Look at this. Look at this. Okay, so here
Starting point is 00:49:46 it is. Every single one. You, I guarantee people who are listening can name those who voted no. Right? I'm going to guess Thomas Massey. Thomas Massey is right here as a nay. You've got Marjorie Taylor Green, of course. Where is
Starting point is 00:50:01 she at? She's in here somewhere. Lauren Boebert, of course, right there saying no. Cawthorn. Cawthorn saying no? Jim Jordan says no. There's David Cawthorn. Madison Cawthorn? Where's he at? I guess David Cawthorn would be Madison Cawthorn
Starting point is 00:50:17 because it is the same district, not an NC-11. Oh, okay. Is that his middle name or something? First name, maybe. I don't know. Clay Higgins, John Rose, Oh, okay. Oh. Is that his middle name or something? Oh, yeah. First name, maybe. I don't know. Well, how about that? Clay Higgins, John Rose, Ronnie Jackson, Pete Sessions. Yeah. Just as an aside, Madison Cawthorn, his name is David Madison Cawthorn.
Starting point is 00:50:35 That's disingenuous that they put him up there as David and he goes by Madison. That's really messed up. That's weird. Yeah. I don't know. Marjorie Green, of course. She's right there. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:50:43 I just loved this when I saw Glenn Greenwald tweet about it. He's like, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez supporting one of the largest war packages ever. It's like, there she is. Well, look, every single time the government fails to meet the needs of the American people in some significant way, the response from the left is, if we didn't have such an astronomical defense budget, we could afford to take care of people right now. And in the midst of all these problems, they go, you know what, let's just send $40 billion over to Ukraine to get involved in foreign affairs.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Here's what I love, though. We have this clip from Bill Maher that's been going viral. Student loan forgiveness is a loser issue for the party that wants to win back the working class. And Bill makes a couple good points. He's like, 13% of Americans have student loan debt. That's not a lot oficans have student loan debt that's not a lot of people 50 of that debt is held by graduate degrees and he was like come on yeah he's
Starting point is 00:51:32 like these are people who are like i don't know what else to do i'm going to keep going to school because someone else is paying for it bill maher saying that and then they all basically agree and so for me this is actually a convincing argument. I've often said that I think we should forgive the interest rates. If you borrowed it, you've got to pay it back, but the interest rates I can understand are insane. After watching this Bill Maher segment, I'm like, nope, never mind.
Starting point is 00:51:56 I'm done. Nah. Sorry. It's on you. 13% and half of its graduate degrees, this is what the Democrats are focused on. The highest income earners who want a freebie. That's what it is. Sorry. I'm done with this argument. They're just giving something to their voters. This is what the Democrats are focused on. The highest income earners who want a freebie. That's what it is. Sorry, I'm done with this argument. They're just giving something to their voters.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Their voters are the professional class, right? Like that's... 13% of people they're going to win over. I'm willing to tolerate loan forgiveness if we classify the debt as odious and then go at the universities to get the payment back, right? I'm willing to use that because there are know, there are people who, like, were genuinely exploited by these universities and they got degrees that are worthless and, like, maybe don't need to be
Starting point is 00:52:32 completely immiserated forever. I'm cool with that, but that means that in the foreign policy context, whenever we forgive somebody else's debt, what we're saying is that's odious debt. It should never have been issued. It was wrong to issue it. And we need to go back and get essentially like, you know, go back and get a reimbursement. I
Starting point is 00:52:50 forget the exact word. What's a historical example of an odious debt? A debt we would give to like an African country under a dictator that we'd later forgive, you know, because the new government took power. What do you think about usury? And which is basically collecting interest on loans? Well, I mean, And which is basically collecting interest on loans. Well, I mean the, the general concept of collecting interest on loans is, I mean,
Starting point is 00:53:09 I think one inevitable and two good because, uh, otherwise there's never any loans, right? You know, and money, there's a time value of money. They used to be the way that there was no interest.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And then it was called usury and it was punishable by death. If someone did that. And then all of a sudden at some point in the banking industry, 1700s with Anshel Rothschild or something, they just started maybe before that. Loans are very, very old, right? If you're talking loans, I don't even know how old. But debt is, I mean, actually, people think barter is like the original transaction. That's wrong.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Debt is. Yeah. Favors. Favors, right. That's the basis for how. Insurance used to be, if my house burns down i'll owe you one and so then if your house burns down i'll like if my house burns down and you help me in any way i am indebted to you and it's the expectation the expectation that i would then
Starting point is 00:53:56 go and help you in the event of something similar or repay the favor usually to clarify as unethical practice of originating a loan with an unreasonably high interest rate. I guess that's a social conversation. My concern is you've got Democrats who are in lockstep voting for war. And I think the reason they do it is they know their voters don't care about it. I don't think AOC ever was anti-war at all. I think she assumed her base cared about it. Now that the media narrative is, yay, Ukraine, they're like, okay, good. Now we can vote for war.
Starting point is 00:54:27 That's it. So when I hear about this debt forgiveness stuff, I'm like, y'all want $40 billion for war in Ukraine? You got it. The rest of your debt, sorry, no dice. You got your war. You got your funding. You sent the money that would have paid off your debts to Raytheon. I hope you're
Starting point is 00:54:45 happy congratulations that's who you voted for yeah no i mean certainly there should be no talk of debt of student debt forgiveness now right like in front of allowing republicans like the idea that they'd allow any of this to go through from democrats that they wouldn't um inflict massive punitary measures right like i've heard biden's thing about doing it unilaterally if that were done then the next time republicans power, they should just simply end the student loan program, right? Like we don't, there's no jubilees. It's like protect and you're protecting your voters from the Biden and the professional class, just basically looting them, right? Like, cause you know, the Trump, the Republican voters, like that's not the professional class. And so
Starting point is 00:55:23 basically like the whole student loan death forgiveness is screw over Republican voters, like that's not the professional class. And so basically, like the whole student loan debt forgiveness is screw over Republican voters to benefit Democrat voters. Like we should never tolerate that. Absolutely not. This sort of goes back to a conversation we've had a number of times on the show about the moral foundations and the fact that the two moral foundations that people on the left have are care and fairness. And those two values by themselves, not tempered by other values literally don't mean anything right so if you're talking about something like loyalty we can sort of put somewhat objective metrics on that right i would actually say very objective metrics with care and fairness the way it's articulated by the left especially care that can literally just mean it can literally mean
Starting point is 00:56:02 anything like we have to care about other people. We have to help other people. And you don't have to give a robust argument for why what you're doing actually will help and how it won't be of too much negative consequence to the people who the help is coming at the expense of, right? And they certainly don't. And that produces not only examples like so many senators on the left, or I'm sorry, so many political leaders on the left who have argued against or sending money to ukraine it's also a huge part of the reason why we had
Starting point is 00:56:30 a 4.2 trillion dollar bailout and added an insane percentage of currency to the money supply over the course of two years and have runaway inflation as a result because no one considers the negative long-term effects of any given policy prescription because all they have to say is, see, look at me. I care. Look at me. I'm doing the thing that's fair for people. What do you think would happen if red areas stopped trading with blue areas? Like, I don't mean state.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I mean areas. Rural Illinois was just like, we're no longer going to be doing business with the city. Well, if rural Maryland decided to stop sending stuff to Baltimore, I don't know what would happen. It'd be a mess. Wouldn't be good. I mean, this is where a lot of this stuff comes from. We create a lot of farms around here. A lot of cows, a lot of grain. I wonder what value
Starting point is 00:57:16 rural folk get from city folk. And obviously there's like technical advancements, there's insurance companies, there's media and stuff. But we're getting so divided at this point, and so many people are content with – I mean, we're facing decentralization of the economy, cultural development. A lot of these jobs can be done outside of cities. What is the benefit for any conservative to do business inside of a city or with cities when they can distribute via the internet or through shipping or whatever? Personally, I haven't been to a city in a long time.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Many, many months. Many, many, many months. You end up needing certain professional class services, right? And you think about legal services. You end up needing medical services. We've got lawyers out here. Yeah, we do. I mean, you do.
Starting point is 00:58:01 But it can get, I don't know. It depends. There's a reason that like these these city you know metropolises open up and i mean you think about a place like chicago what is chicago built around well it's the hub of the entire midwest you know agriculture uh like that's where the commodities markets are but i mean i understand why back in the day centralization was important so you run a big farm. You set up your headquarters in Chicago because you can walk 10 feet and there's the headquarters of another company that you need to trade with.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Well, now we're doing everything online. Well, I was just thinking I did spend time in Nashville, a very centralized active music scene. And it's kind of like why do we use Twitter when we know it's crap because it's centralized and that's where everyone's at. Same with Nashville. I go there and that's where everyone's at? Same with Nashville. I go there because that's where they live. So there's this idea that wealth disappears within three generations when it's inherited. And I almost wonder if we're asking the same question about many of these large cities in the sense that have they given the world something tremendous in order to start themselves and become centers of wealth? And are they now more or less squandering that wealth by doing jobs which are more or less useless and unnecessary
Starting point is 00:59:08 because of their position within society? Because that's often how wealth leaves a family, right? The people are insulated from the realities of what not being productive results in, so they, like, stop being productive and eventually lose all their money. That's the story of Detroit, right? Like, that's actually a very, I mean, we don't, it's hard for us to understand, but Detroit used to be, like, the up-and-coming economic center of the country the third biggest you know city you know and like one of the you know i mean detroit shrunk massively but when you know in the
Starting point is 00:59:35 car heyday of the car industry pre-silicon valley like detroit was the place to go if you're a young person you know the economic engine of the country the silicon valley of its time and now it's not um you know there's i think there's a natural life cycle to these things you know you have some the economic engine of the country, the Silicon Valley of its time, and now it's not. I think there's a natural life cycle to these things. You have some wildly profitable, powerful, innovative industry in your economic area. It allows the government to get away with all sorts of shenanigans and still have the place function pretty well. But if that industry declines, things fall apart really quick. I was looking at Rogan's Instagram, Joe Rogan, and he reposted this thing from Tim Oliphant, an artist who's an incredible artist, incredible artist of Elon, Joe, and of Chip flying the ship that they're in, the Tesla spaceship. But it made me very sad because what Tim was saying is that I've drawn since I was a kid, graduated from college with an art degree. A few years later, I found myself pursuing in a miserable home improvement job, mostly painting
Starting point is 01:00:28 houses. But Joe inspired him to quit his home improvement job and become a full-time artist. And I was like, this is where our society is done to people. People don't want to do home improvement work. They don't want to be plumbers. They want to be artists. And this is a big problem. A functional job that has great benefit to society that is tangible. And people are like, but I don't want to service my community. I want to draw pictures. Now, I certainly respect art. I make art.
Starting point is 01:00:53 We make music. But I think the issue is not – it may be unfair to target the one guy who's actually a really good artist. And you know what? Drawing pictures isn't so bad. It can be a useful way for a person to spend their time. And Tim went on to clarify that he didn't like working for a corporation and being part of the cog in the machine thing. I get that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:10 I was going to say I find it remarkable that we're in this – we've developed to a point where complaining on the internet is more valuable than building a house or fixing someone's plumbing. Not necessarily. It absolutely is. Because you can't have the same number of people doing it. Like a small minority of people are able to become very successful doing something like this. But if it was equally as valuable, like we would have just as many people in both trades making money. But like most people who try to make money complaining on the internet totally fail. Whereas I think if you go to trade school, you are pretty likely to make an income.
Starting point is 01:01:42 It's a fair point. It's a fair point. I just think, Ian, you made a good point. People should feel good about doing trades. And I just think when we're kids, or at least when I was the millennial generation, we're told to be the greatest of all time. We're told to be rock stars and race car drivers and astronauts. Well, yeah, we have denigrated work so much.
Starting point is 01:02:05 There was this idea, and almost everyone was told this growing up, not me personally, but so many people I know had their parents tell them things like, you know, if you don't study hard and get that degree, you're going to end up in manual labor or as a sanitary worker or something like that. And for some people, that's what they want to do. And thank goodness, because that's an they want to do. And thank goodness, because that's an extremely valuable contribution. Yeah, I should be very clear about Oliphant. I've never talked to Tim Oliphant before. And he specified that he got offered his boss's job
Starting point is 01:02:34 at the Home Improvement, and he didn't want to climb the ladder. And I understand being part of a corporation, and I get it. But what made me sad was just the lack of desire or just the sociological lack of desire to fix houses and more that people want to paint pictures. Anytime you I mean, that's my personal experience, right? Like I was a big law and and you might say, well, that's a really prestigious professional job. And like I just looked around and realized some of the cases I was working on, like, OK, this might not be like literally working with my hands or something, but i am a cog in a litigation machine right like i am representing a trust created out of a bankruptcy of a company that is suing 64 of these small issuers out of some mortgage-backed securities and like we're you know constructing these briefs in order to extract whatever we can out of these small little issuers to the benefit of this
Starting point is 01:03:23 bankruptcy trust which you can literally go and buy shares in. And the only thing that this trust owns is the rights to the proceeds of the litigation. You'll always work for someone. There's no difference between being the employee of a company and running your company. Now, obviously, there are certain differences. What I mean to say is I have to negotiate with people I work with all day, every day. We've got a bunch of people that are involved in how this company works from the infrastructure end of things to the ad sales end of things. And there are disagreements. And there are deal terminations. Now, if you have a simple agreement with another person, I'll do this work for you in exchange for this rate. That's the exact same thing we do that I do every day as someone who owns the company. I just, I think people need to get out of the mindset of I'm a
Starting point is 01:04:10 cog in a machine working for someone. No, you provide a service. You negotiate with company. If company is not providing you what you need, you leave and negotiate with someone else. When I worked for vice, people were shocked that I quit when I quit. And they were like, why would you leave? Vice is the best. Oh, they're the greatest. And I was like, Vice works for me and I'll work for them. When they stopped providing me with what I needed, I fired them. That's the mentality I had.
Starting point is 01:04:35 I went in there and said, guys, I want this, this, and this. You got it? Okay. I'm going to do my thing. I will do my thing here. You like that. Okay, great. You got to give me these things for it.
Starting point is 01:04:44 I didn't just go and say, I need a paycheck. I said, I want these three things delivered to me in exchange for what you're going to get. And I worked for them as an employee. And then once they stopped delivering or didn't provide, I just said, I'm out. I think of it as an employee. You're working for the corporation. So is the owner of the corporation. You're both working for the betterment of the corporation.
Starting point is 01:05:02 And the owner primarily is working for the people that are buying his goods and services or her goods and services. The problem is when employees don't have incentive to – they don't gain more if the company gains more and the owner gains more. So that I understand, feeling like a cog because you're not getting an incentive reward. Some work is just more intellectually stimulating than other work and interesting intrinsically. I don't know. I can see how a guy would want to be an artist and would get more value and excitement out of doing art and seeing it spread around the world than they would out of – I think it's a mix of cultural and human nature. Humans want social acceptance. We want other people to praise us and say we're doing good things. It works really well in a small tribal scale. When you are in a village of 50
Starting point is 01:05:50 people and you do something, you come back with a huge boar and everyone's clapping and cheering because they're happy because they're going to eat and you did this great thing. It feels really good. I mean, it's how grooming works online and in these schools. They keep trying to shower you with love and make you feel good because humans crave social acceptance because we are social creatures. So what ends up happening is over time, you will get more praise for writing a good song than you will saving someone from a burning building. Depending on the scale of the burning building, I suppose, like if you're a guy who's in a plane and you crash into the Hudson River or whatever, you'll be a hero on the Pooch
Starting point is 01:06:23 End Magazine. Sully. But how many firefighters are, you know, walking the red carpet? How many police officers? I just watched this crazy viral video of a cop walks right up to arrest a guy and the guy just unloads
Starting point is 01:06:36 on him. And then it's brutal footage and stuff. How often do we have, no, cops are demonized to an insane degree. Like, I certainly have my complaints about authoritarianism and what the police department – that can mean in terms of certain circumstances. But we demonize the people who are working the day-to-day jobs to make the system run, to save lives. You'll get some 20-year-old who will spend 15 minutes writing a song. And I literally mean 15 minutes. They'll be like, okay, we got the beat.
Starting point is 01:07:07 We got the hook. We got the chorus. Send it over to a company who then says we're going to layer it, get it done. And then they're like, put it on TV for us. And all of a sudden everyone's screaming and crying and clapping and cheering. You are the greatest. Why would someone strive to be a firefighter? There was a poll.
Starting point is 01:07:23 They asked young people what they wanted to be when they grew up. And you know what they all said in America? Influencers. And you know what they all said in China? Astronauts.
Starting point is 01:07:30 Yep. So we have a cultural problem where our culture praises influencer because it's simple. Virality is a machine in which we get people addicted and it feels good
Starting point is 01:07:43 to get those numbers, to see that number going up, to see those views. YouTubers have long talked about how when their viewership goes down, they get depressed. I can always tell you, whenever you see these YouTuber burnouts where they're like, I just can't keep doing this anymore, look at their view count. It almost always is preceded by their viewers, like the last five videos they made were lower than normal and then all of a sudden they have a breakdown because it feels like you're losing and everybody hates you and it's being ripped apart ripped away from you meanwhile in china they're like i really want to be an astronaut we need to bring that back well in in we in some ways we become more
Starting point is 01:08:20 like the things that we love and our culture has lost sight of, of what's really important, unfortunately. maybe. And now, now some kudos to Tim Oliphant. Not only are you one of the best artists I've ever seen, Tim, uh,
Starting point is 01:08:32 you're inspiring people to become astronauts, man. This art will do that. Yeah, no, I mean, look, art has utility and this is coming from a guy who makes cartoons,
Starting point is 01:08:40 which is like, you know, by no means high art. And I'm very blessed. I'm very fortunate to be able to do what I do. Everyone who's on my crew who helps me is absolutely fantastic and unbelievably talented. But one of the biggest compliments that I receive from people is from folks who are just working regular 9 to 5s, important jobs, construction workers, plumbers, et cetera, who will say things like,
Starting point is 01:09:03 hey, man, your cartoon's brightened my day. I think that's awesome, and i think art can serve that purpose but very oftentimes what people want to do is make it completely about themselves so it's not about i want an enter i want to entertain an audience it's about like i want to get the praise i want to be the cool person i want to be worshipped basically and i think that temptation sets in with anyone anytime they're in front of any kind of audience but what people have to keep sight of is you're producing for other people and that's true in any industry it doesn't matter what you do and so part of the reason I think our culture doesn't take pride in its work is because we view it as something which should just be about ourselves
Starting point is 01:09:38 and whether you become a literal rock star musician or whether you're building houses if you view what you're doing as just being about you and not for other people, you're going to be miserable. Well, I'll simplify it, or I'll put my view very simply for people. I think most people, most of the time, if you are driven to become famous and successful, and you think, I've had people say this to me, when I was working for Vice and traveling around, they'd say, I really wish I could do what you did. I'd love to travel around the world covering these stories. I know they're not serious.
Starting point is 01:10:11 I know what they're really saying is, I want people watching me on the internet. I want millions of views. I want the praise. Because it's really easy to buy a plane ticket to Europe and walk around with a cell phone. In fact, when I went to Spain and covered a lot of the protests, well, I already owned the cell phone, so that didn't cost me anything.
Starting point is 01:10:29 The plane ticket was a couple hundred bucks. I crashed at a hostel for like 70 bucks for a couple days, and then I walked around filming stuff. You can just do it if you want to do it. So how do we get started on a show like this? Well, I wanted to do it. So, you know, how do we get started on a show like this? Well, I wanted to do it. I didn't, I, there was, when we started doing this show, we were getting, you know, like a thousand people watching and I wasn't, I wasn't every day going like, come on, get those numbers
Starting point is 01:10:53 up, get those. I was just like, I like talking about these things. Something changed in the dynamic of artistry when people gain the ability to control their own distribution channels because radio basically in television, you gained rich artists that never really existed in the past. People gain the ability to control their own distribution channels because radio, basically, and television. You gained rich artists that never really existed in the past. You'd have people that were basically – they'd have a patron like Leonardo da Vinci or whoever. They might have some money, but it was usually like a very wealthy landowner paying them money to work, and then they would be their patron. And then now, all of a sudden, we've got rock star, TV star. Those didn't exist until 100 years ago, and it's messing with people.
Starting point is 01:11:25 They think that it's a rich scheme, be an actor to get rich, be a musician to get rich. It's not about – it was never about the money. People would play music for dinner at night at a tavern and hope that they got a place to stay, and that was the original – I mean, there were orchestras. There were great works. But it really was like the wealthy being like, we like these things we want. But there were famous musicians. Residuals is a new idea. You would
Starting point is 01:11:47 get paid for the night that you played and that was it. Then they developed recording and now it's another realm. But there were famous musicians for a long time. Yeah, they would be famous, but they wouldn't always be rich. That was the weird thing. Until they could sell copies of their work. Once we had
Starting point is 01:12:03 copyable media media all of a sudden albums could be sold and the song could be performed everywhere all at once and everyone would buy it up now we have streaming and everyone's losing money and piracy you see the age of i don't like it's not actual pirate har har har but it's like you know money um art distribution copying and distributing it illegally or or unethically um and and's like, it's almost like we're coming full circle. Like we've passed through the age of the rich artist. And now we're going back to like, just be an artist. If you want to be an artist and do it in addition to your other things that you do, you don't
Starting point is 01:12:34 have to only just be an artist all the time. And you can, when we're actually going back to sort of old school patronage, right? Like except decentralized, you know, you don't own the, I mean, you don't necessarily say that you own the rights to anything, but people will be like members to your show and right after, you know, patronize you that way. I think it's, I mean, and I think that's probably a good thing.
Starting point is 01:12:56 I mean, you know, it's not as good for artists in general. They can't, you know, control their medium well enough to sell it effectively, like as a track. It's extremely good because the patron can't dictate what the artist does now there's so many little patrons that the artist still has autonomy yeah which this shows i do think we might see a shift into and uh we're seeing we're seeing the attention economy expand right so we had with the manufacturing economy people talked about will a service economy work where people are providing services we got it we got to manufacture stuff now we're in the attention economy where people
Starting point is 01:13:29 make a living by just getting your attention now that's scary because people then make crazy content and crazy videos to try and get your attention to make money off of it so we're in the influence space i think we're going to move into a creator economy. So influence, I think, can only go so far once everyone has a certain degree of influence. And then I think what we're seeing with this art, what we're seeing with YouTube and TikTok is a creator-based economy where instead of manufacturing things, you're going to make art. You're going to make entertainment. You're going to make ideas or something. I think computer code is an example of that. It's a type of art that translates into a functional object.
Starting point is 01:14:09 I wonder, though. Oh, no. By all means, go ahead. No, no, no. Go ahead. Well, I just want to piggyback on what Tim's saying here and ask a question. You sort of mentioned a shifting into creator economy, but I wonder if our economy is going to – I mean, how long is it going to take for it to recover to the point where that continues to really be pragmatic? Because if we really start to struggle for resources, I don't know how
Starting point is 01:14:28 we'd be able to support that. I mean, you could look far ahead into like 3D printing food and 3D printing oil and water. 3D printing oil? Yeah. If you have enough electricity, you could convert plastic into oil. If you have enough carbon, if you have the materials. You're talking about fusion. Molecular
Starting point is 01:14:44 printing and atomic printing and stuff. They've worked on molecular printing for medicine thus far, but I imagine we'll head towards atomic printing. But I mean, that just comes down to the energy source. Are they going to let us use fusion or are they going to keep acting like it doesn't exist? I don't know. I guess I'm more optimistic now that I think about it. My investments match that, right? I'm betting on the general strength of the American economy. That's how I invested. That's how I'm betting. I'm not saying a creator-based economy is going to be a bad thing.
Starting point is 01:15:11 And so what I mean by that is it will be very similar to an influence economy, but it will be people making art and then just selling it, and you're not going to need Amazon. You don't need to go to stores anymore. Nobody needs to work at McDonald's. We've got kiosks. All of those jobs are going anymore. Nobody needs to work at McDonald's. We've got kiosks. All of those jobs are going away. So the service jobs are being automated. People are going to have to find other things that people want to exchange for.
Starting point is 01:15:32 And I think it's going to be someone was going to write a song. They're going to make a piece of art. They're going to create things. And then that's going to be how they sell it or they post it or NFT or something like that. And there will be a way in which people can acquire resources in a new kind of economy in the future. Art is the new currency or one of the new currencies. It's like the old seashells they used to find and give to their wives 10,000, 100,000 years ago. And these are the new seashells, these art pieces.
Starting point is 01:15:57 Well, let me make everything a little bit more pessimistic for you, Will. That's why I paid $270,000 for an ape. Not only are diesel prices at a new record high, but they're actually predicting diesel shortages. Oh, cool. So I'd like to imagine that we're headed towards a future where we have this one step closer towards utopia. Poverty is being eliminated. But if there's no diesel, nothing's being sent to your house. Your local grocery store is going to have no meat, and you better start figuring out what you would do in a circumstance like this.
Starting point is 01:16:25 So what is the reason behind the diesel shortage? I'm actually curious. That's the thesis of the article, but I want to know why. I think it's just, they say, to drop in production. Drop in production. Increased demand and a drop in production. They're saying a shortage may be next. And I think Joe Biden said, we don't got enough truckers, man.
Starting point is 01:16:42 It's like someone already super chatted us, and we'll read in a bit. They said that the cost of fuel is greater than what they make, so they quit. Oh, boy. Right. Well, okay. Scarcity of an important commodity, I guess. That's not good. But, I mean, there's still a good reason to be generally optimistic about the U.S. economy in terms of finding alternatives.
Starting point is 01:17:01 I mean, the higher price one thing gets, the more people figure out a way to use different resources or come up with a technological innovation you know so you're not shorting it that's what you're telling us no i'm not gonna shorten the american economy is a has been a loser's bet for a hundred years right like that's if you're talking about what has what has been a bad idea shorting the american economy i has been a historically bad idea. I'd say, I don't, I think, I think betting on the American economy is the best thing you can do, because in the event the American economy collapses and you live inside of it,
Starting point is 01:17:34 who cares? Right. You're in trouble. I'm all in. Like, the people who had, it's sort of, you know, this is kind of like the classic answer to people who are, like, buying gold. It's like, well, why are you buying gold? It's like, well, the economy is going to collapse. I'm like, you want to buy bullets and spam. Right.
Starting point is 01:17:50 If that's your hedge against – if you're trying to hedge against that, you're not hedging with the right instrument. I always found this funny when people – Alex Jones would always talk about buying gold and stuff. And then I was like, what am I going to do with gold in an apocalypse? Am I going to be walking down the street and some guy is going to have a sandwich and I'll give you gold for it? He'll be like, I don't want to carry that. It's heavy. You can make batteries with it. You can make a grill.
Starting point is 01:18:09 Sure. Sure. You can make a battery. There's going to be a guy and he's going to have a wild boar and you're going to say, I have a raw piece of gold you can make a battery with. He's going to go, that's a good point. I will give you – no. It's the Baghdad battery I was talking about. Have you ever seen those? If you were walking down the street in the apocalypse and a guy on the left has a bottle of water and the guy on the right has food – or I believe it better.
Starting point is 01:18:31 If you're walking down the street and there's a guy with a big sandwich and you have gold and the guy next to you has a bottle of water, who do you think is getting a piece of that sandwich? Yeah, once basic needs are met, it comes down to the metals like copper. No. Copper because you make bronze with it to make weapons, stabby weapons so that you can take the food the person with the water bottle is going to walk up to the guy with the sandwich and say I'll give you some water for some of your sandwich and be like deal and you'll walk up I got gold and they'll be like I can't eat that
Starting point is 01:18:54 and the other guy's going to be like I got this knife and you're like ah so that's where the metal is for, it's weapons and generally I think you don't need to hedge that much against general apocalypse one it's extraordinarily unlikely and two the idea, you know, you don't need to hedge that much against general apocalypse. One, it's extraordinarily unlikely. And two, you know, the idea that you would find the correct hedge is low. Well, no, no, no, it is.
Starting point is 01:19:10 Hedging for the apocalypse is moving out to the middle of nowhere, getting chickens, getting some emergency food. You guys are doing, yeah, actually. Yeah, you know what? You're not invited now after all this. Right. You already let him in. You're covering your stock options.
Starting point is 01:19:22 No, you know what, Seamus? You're not invited. No, that's absolutely ridiculous. No, I'll build my own company that's fine yeah I'm looking you think you think we need a cartoon we're gonna start shimkin city we don't we don't ship I'm gonna have my own setup you're gonna be begging to come in we don't shimton we don't need a cartoonist we need a lawyer you're saying that now I mean to be honest though like a lawyer would probably handle negotiations between other tribes better than like it'd be a pretty good job. Like figuring out a new dispute resolution mechanisms that aren't war.
Starting point is 01:19:52 That seems like they won't be interested, man. I think what's going to happen is you'll go around to other people's compounds and be like, actually, we have copywritten that method of collecting food. You owe us 10 percent. It would actually be a funny bit where it's like, we choose the lawyer over the animator in the apocalypse, and then the lawyer is like, I've negotiated this really great treaty that will benefit all of us, and they're like, kill him! And the animator walks up and is like,
Starting point is 01:20:14 I drew a picture of you and your mom together. And he's like, mommy! What we're missing is the synergy, because if Will brings up the boring law, Seamus can animate it and make it fun for people to understand. Insult their intelligence at the same time. Exactly. I got some good news. I looked up how to make your own biodiesel. It's actually, I don't think it's that complicated.
Starting point is 01:20:32 There is actually one good financial bet. Bet on the American economy. Do you think Europe's better than us? They're not. They have worse rule of law. They're way more socialist. Do you think China's going to be a smarter bet? Possibly, but China is not nearly as innovative as we are as a general matter.
Starting point is 01:20:50 Yeah, but they are willing to enslave people. Right, but then that's also like an independent problem in terms of the status. It's a good reason not to. It's an independent problem both on a practical and an ethical level. Ethically, that's wrong, but practically also that's a recipe for instability. What's their EKG score what is that like esg esg what's their what's china's worse in china no china's gonna have a 97 america's america's still the best place in the world to do business it still like has the most innovation still has the most like well maybe maybe red states it's like we're you know the problems we're dealing with are almost like we just – we're worried that government is going to outrate, essentially be so bad that it overwhelms the benefits that innovation and our general economy will bring.
Starting point is 01:21:32 And they're making it closer than we want, but I would still bet on the economy. I'll tell you this. New Jersey, these blue states are really destroying themselves. Yeah. No, for real. So when we were headquartered in New Jersey, I was reading about opportunity expansion, and they said they had a millennial brain drain. Yeah. And the reason for it is they're anti-business. New Jersey is very, very anti-business, period. So when I was looking at expanding in New – I'm like, look, there's an opportunity here. You got New York up here.
Starting point is 01:22:11 You got Philly here. You got Pennsylvania right across the street. And then I was like, wow, those are the laws and those are the taxes. Let's leave. Did you ever investigate why you think that is? It's because I think people on the left vote based on their feelings and not based on what makes sense. And so they end up saying things like, hey, we need more tax money to pay for schools because more schools and more money in schools means kids will be better off. So we need to raise the taxes to get more tax money.
Starting point is 01:22:42 And then what ends up happening when you raise taxes is tax revenue goes down and businesses flee. And then all of a sudden you end up with poverty and corruption and broken cities. And they're like, we don't understand. We taxed the rich. And it's like, and then the rich left. What do you think is going to happen? I think competition between jurisdictions is different now. If you think about
Starting point is 01:22:59 who is New Jersey competing with? Well, they're competing with the state of New York and the state of Pennsylvania, basically. And those states are not really super business-friendly either in their own right, so they probably didn't think like, oh, we can just be a little better than those two states and not lose business across the rivers. New Jersey should be one of the best states for business and wealthiest states in the country. It's in a perfect position for it. Because you've got New York right there.
Starting point is 01:23:26 You've got Pennsylvania right there. So you have a real opportunity for the people of Philly and South Jersey to be like, we sell our product in Philly, but we manufacture and run our business in Jersey because they're better for us. You've got a real opportunity for the same thing we said in New York. We operate out of North Jersey, and then we do business in New York because the customers are there, but the laws are better in New Jersey.
Starting point is 01:23:47 They did the opposite. The first thing I was thinking... It's the opposite of New Jersey. The laws are worse, so nobody wants to be there at all. Do you think they collude, the governments, like the New York governments, like don't make your state too much more likable,
Starting point is 01:23:58 too much better than ours? Oh, sure they do. Yeah, those state governments work with each other, right? Like, especially if they're the same party, like they don't really want to be screwing each other over that much. Um, and you know, they worked, especially think about things like COVID regulations, like they were all working together. All those like Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, we're like working together to have uniform regulations. So they weren't losing people.
Starting point is 01:24:18 And, and honestly, that's, that's one of the reasons that there was more robust there than it was in like the DMV, right? The District of Columbia, tried to impose some really restrictive mandates, but they weren't in place in Virginia, and they weren't in place in Maryland, so quickly D.C. found out how to get rid of them because otherwise their restaurants were empty. I wonder why Maryland... Maryland is a really great place.
Starting point is 01:24:37 You've got Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and D.C., and Delaware, all of these different states. You could be like, come, bring your business here. Instead, they're like, get out. And Maryland's really weird. It is. It's a very strange case.
Starting point is 01:24:49 It's got to be Delaware. Delaware must have everybody on their boot on everyone's throat. Like it's the, it's the state where there's like no corporate income tax, Delaware and all, every company is headquartered in Delaware, like a PO box. It's like some one old lady has a Delaware corporate law, man. They just, they, they got way out ahead of it. They decided to make themselves very favorable to business. That's exactly what they did. They were nearby. They were on the
Starting point is 01:25:09 Acela. Delaware is like barely a state. It's basically they make their money off of their corporate law. That's their industry in effect. That's what they produce. They produce good, reliable, predictable corporate law and favorable
Starting point is 01:25:24 environment to be incorporated. I just want to ask people, did any of you actually ever look at Delaware? It's not real. Yeah, it's not a real place. It's like a big city. Look at this. I'm well aware. They don't even have access to half of the peninsula they're on.
Starting point is 01:25:42 It's like 12 acres. It's like we're a peninsula, but only like a small part of it. What is the other part of that peninsula? What state is it? It's Delmarva. Yeah, so both Maryland and Virginia have a chunk of that peninsula. So Maryland is most of it, right? But then that bottom little tail is Virginia.
Starting point is 01:25:55 They call it the Delmarva Peninsula. And so Delaware has this chunk. That's it. That's all they have. They couldn't even get the peninsula they're on. There's like one city. Go easy on them, Tim. Good crab, though.
Starting point is 01:26:07 A lot of crab. Yeah, great seafood. It's just seafront property. Just a rich corporate person's dream, I guess. It depends on where you go. Rehoboth is very college party town. I mean, Wilmington's pretty cool. That is such a weirdly card state, man.
Starting point is 01:26:22 Really great seafood. But I'm pretty sure they're just funded by giving good, favorable laws to corporations. And everybody's always like, what is it, Delaware and Nevada or something? Yeah, Nevada has been interesting crypto. Oh, it's Wyoming. Wyoming has interesting cryptocurrency. But some states are finally starting to try and compete for incorporation rules. Now it's gotten to the point where even if other states have a little bit better of a financial deal for incorporating in their state,
Starting point is 01:26:49 because Delaware corporate law is so well-developed, that's where bigger companies want to be incorporated because that's where they can get sued, and that's where they have the big intra-business disputes. And so everybody's just comfortable. There's so many more decisions. Their law is just better developed, and so that's where corporations are.
Starting point is 01:27:05 Do you know when it began that they started making it all about the corporation in Delaware? I don't remember exactly when it began, but I know it's – I don't know. Actually, I don't know when that began. But I'm sure there's books written on it. interesting like thing that a state like Delaware, which otherwise would not have some big thriving business industry, just really figured out and decided, ah, this is what American capitalism needs. A state that really focuses on giving corporations what they want in terms of
Starting point is 01:27:34 both like a friendly place to incorporate and predictable law. And the people who run, I mean the lawyers they get who end up being on like the Delaware Supreme Court are like top tier business attorneys. Like they, they're super, super serious about it. And very, very, you know, other places you might get clowns and like family members or whatever. The Delaware Supreme Court is notorious for having like brilliant judges. Everybody's moving to Texas.
Starting point is 01:27:57 And I'm just like, that's such a bad idea. How come? So when big moderate types, maybe the anti-woke liberal type, moves from California or Arizona or New York to Texas, they bring industry, which we all like him. He has pro-free speech, and he's pushed back, and he's done really great in fighting against a lot of the exes of the wokeness and the left. But when he moves to Texas, he brings industry with him and large sums of money, which they're going to hire more Hollywood producers and L.A. types, and they're going to all flock along with him.
Starting point is 01:28:42 Elon Musk is an even better example. All of the Tesla employees from California, he's going to have to either rehire or relocate a ton of those California progressives into Texas. So when I see all that happening, and Austin's already particularly woke, and everyone's like, Austin's the place to be, I'm like, I got to admit, Austin's really cool, but I would not set up business there. You're basically saying, I'm going to set up my business there. I'm going to move there. I'm going to invest in this city. And in five years, there's a good chance I will just be surrounded by a bunch of woke people who have voted for this stuff because they all followed. I look at West Virginia and I'm like, West Virginia is the second most Trump supporting
Starting point is 01:29:21 state in the country. It is MAGA country, and nobody wants to be there. They're great, so I'll go there, and it'll stay MAGA country, and then I will hire people who share the values that we have, liberty, personal responsibility, and we'll create opportunity and bring wealth to those who already agree. The thing about West Virginia for me was, it's like, here's this big open place. It's got good laws. It's got constitutional carry.
Starting point is 01:29:48 It's got good building codes. It's got good business laws. It's got great incentives for new businesses. And nobody's going to follow. So that means when we start hiring people, when we start contracting, that's people of West Virginia who share values of personal responsibility who are going to be receiving that wealth, not some woke person moved to austin to take that job that's that's the opportunity here go to florida florida is great but i'm like we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna set up and expand the economy in a place where people aren't flocking to it and it already has the values i like yeah there's like a fate i get the the image of when i think of west virginia i think like walking through hills which
Starting point is 01:30:23 is like hurts it's exhausting and then I picture a dude in a red hat with a gun. And I'm like, well, that's what I think about. I know it's not, but that's like the liberal brainwashing. People just have this idea. Man, I took a walk the other day. I'm close to West Virginia right now. And I went up on a hill. Dude, when you look around
Starting point is 01:30:40 from the top of a hill, when you're out in the middle of the most beautiful areas in the world, I would imagine. It's just so stunning. And the air is so clean. And then the bear comes up. It heals you.
Starting point is 01:30:50 And be sure you have bear spray, I guess. But it was on a road, so I didn't feel too... Just even the drive up here was just gorgeous today. I was driving through rural Virginia. Then the bear goes up to Ian and says, It is time to prove yourself as a man.
Starting point is 01:31:02 Punch it in the face and put my fingers down its throat. Heavy metal plays. I thought about bears. What do you do when a bear comes these days? Because that's like what the real threat is. Wild animals and I guess humans are also animals. But like, bro, you just don't let him take your picnic basket. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 01:31:17 You have to stand firm. You got to not leave food out. It's like another lifestyle. If you run, he won't respect you. Thinking about bears and stuff like Yogi Bear was kind of a crazy show. Yeah, he was stealing picnic baskets with Boo Boo. But that's all he was doing. He was like a nuisance. In the reality, if you chased after
Starting point is 01:31:33 a bear because he stole your picnic basket, he'd probably just maul you or something. Let the picnic basket go at that point. Depends on the bear. I guess, what do they say for grizzlies, you've got to curl up and cover your neck but for black bears, you've got to fight. Well, you also have to understand that yogi is smarter than the average bear and so i would assume that means he has like some understanding of maybe firearms the fact that humans can shoot him but either way it's it's preventing him from getting violent with people
Starting point is 01:31:58 we haven't seen it yogi yeah we haven't seen yogi in any of the cartoons can you imagine because a bear can really just destroy somebody. Dude, I've never seen one in person. If Yogi wanted to, Ranger Rick would be obliviated. It would just... I saw Grizzly Man. I highly recommend people look into that. You ever see old bear armor?
Starting point is 01:32:14 Yeah, look at this. That's good stuff. It's like a Russian. Nightmare stuff. Is this Russian or something? It's crazy. I can't imagine that they really wore something like that. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 01:32:24 When you got no choice. There's a thing called the short-nosed bear it's extinct now let me see if i can find a bear armor bear i feel like you would still get destroyed if a bear smacked you like it would hurt the bear right but they're strong one of those things smacks you it'll pretty sure a grizzly can hit a car door and smack it clean off the car. Yeah. And, like, you need really large caliber rounds to even hurt a bear. Jeez. Yeah. Like, there was a grizzly they found. I can't remember where.
Starting point is 01:32:54 I was reading the story. And it finally killed it. And it was riddled with, like, 45 9mm just because from people shooting at it and bullets just, like, going in and doing nothing. The grizzly's like, you cannot harm me. Feeble human weapons. That's terrifying. Why does the bear sound like Sean Connery? I don't know, because
Starting point is 01:33:16 bears are masculine. Well, I will take bears over a bunch of hungry people, honestly, at this point in my life. I'd rather not face a bear. So I'm not going to say that, what I was going to say, which is I'd rather face a bear then. I'd rather not face a bear. But that's life.
Starting point is 01:33:34 There was a story recently of a dude who just fought a bear. He fought a bear off with his bear hands. With his bear hands. Bear hands. Something happened. I can't remember. And it was like a bear came and he had to fight it for his family. And then he won.
Starting point is 01:33:49 Dude's built different. That ass. man yeah check out grizzly man and have you guys seen grizzly man no it's a documentary this guy went into the woods he was obsessed with bears and they thought well i think there's something wrong with this guy but he went with his girlfriend and lived with the bears you know and then they said okay you can live with bears i guess don't do it but i guess but not when they're not when they're hungry not when they're getting just out of hibernation. But he was like, no, they're my friends. And it's a Werner Herzog movie, dude. And you get the audio of him screaming.
Starting point is 01:34:15 Why would he think that? I don't know. It's like he had a death wish. You hear his girlfriend screaming, fight back, fight back on the audio. And it's like he was just, I don't know. There's no video of it. The lens cap was on when it got recorded. Thank goodness.
Starting point is 01:34:27 And then what happened to his, was it wife? She was then killed by the bear as well. She didn't run? No, I don't know. But I mean, I guess they were out in the middle of the woods. There was really nowhere to run to. To be honest, I don't know. Maybe they both had death wish.
Starting point is 01:34:39 It's a weird thing to be doing, hanging out with bears when they're hungry. I'm just imagining these two hippies being like, yo, like the bears are my friends, man. That's what it was. The bear's just mauling the guy like, yo, why are you mauling Joey? What are you doing? He's like, whoa, stop. No, why are you biting me now?
Starting point is 01:34:53 Oh, I'm being eaten by a bear. I try to be too insensitive because I think he has family and stuff, but like he is screaming like, stop, ow, ow, stop. You can hear it. It's so weird as he's being torn open. It's horrific.
Starting point is 01:35:05 The bear is just like, for your lunch. Yeah. All right, let's go to Super Chats. My friends, if you haven't already, smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends. And did I say smash that like button? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:35:15 Oh, head over to TimCast.com. We're going to have that members-only show coming up at 11 p.m. Will be fun, spicy, and not so family-friendly. Let's read what we got here. All right. Matthew Reckamp says, Tim, if you haven't watched 2,000 Meals yet, unspicy, and not so family friendly. Let's read what we got here. All right. Matthew Reckamp says, Tim, if you haven't watched 2,000 Mules yet,
Starting point is 01:35:31 then what about a watch along in the members only section, Two Birds, One Stone? That's a really good idea. No, for real. I'll reach out to Dinesh. Maybe he would want to come and we could do a thing where we do like, what was it? Mystery Science Theater 3000?
Starting point is 01:35:43 Yes. Where they're like, they're watching it at the same time. Making fun of it. So we could do a thing where we do like, what was it? Mystery Science Theater 3000. Yes. Yeah. So good. Where they're like, they're watching it at the same time. Making fun of it. So we could do something. I would totally be down to do that. Make a members only thing of like our initial reaction to watching it all. And then we could do that thing where we have everybody sitting around and then like the screen changes showing like Timcast and then we have the thing playing in the middle.
Starting point is 01:36:01 Maybe Dinesh would be down for that. That'd be great. That's an interesting idea. Because then you get our initial reaction to it right away. Awesome. That may be really cool. At the very least, I'll ask for his permission, because I know a lot of people are pirating it,
Starting point is 01:36:14 but if he was cool with us doing something like that. Yeah, good promotion. I don't know, though, because it's like a members-only thing for us to make. We make money off of it, but it's like his movie, so maybe we could pay him something. Or we could put it up for free on the website. Just be one of those well i don't know if he wants us to give away his movie for free yeah i think it well we'll talk to him about it it's good to be fair though like our commentary will ruin the movie so you know i will not be as enjoyable it's fair use the film
Starting point is 01:36:39 by its own well maybe we can work something out with him maybe it wouldn't necessarily be a website thing maybe it's a special thing that we cross do it. Because I don't want to take money away from his project that he spent money producing. Or make money off of his work. But it is a good idea to do a commentary
Starting point is 01:36:57 watch along. Rude says, Have you guys considered making gaming PCs or consoles to compete with microsoft and the like that is a that is a very odd question i've never thought about entering the microprocessing development that sounds like a very difficult and technical feel industry to just decide to enter yeah well i have thought about it and there's there's a lot of competitors already in there. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:37:25 I mean, it seems like the smarter thing, if you were even thinking about it, would be to license the TimCast brand to an existing company. Why don't we get some Raspberry Pis
Starting point is 01:37:33 and then run the new game on it? Just duct tape a bunch of Raspberry Pis together and be like, no, it's really fast. The game we are making can be preloaded onto a small device
Starting point is 01:37:43 that people just plug in their TV and have the game. Yeah. That'd be kind of cool. We could do that people just plug in their TV and have the game. Yeah. That'd be kind of cool. We could do that. You could get a physical thing you could plug into. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:49 Cross-promote with Alienware or whatever, the Timcast Alienware. Yeah. I've been thinking about doing that for the software we're developing with the charity is get a Raspberry Pi preloaded with that. If it was preloaded with a game, too, that might be kind of interesting, although maybe it's overkill. All right. J. Yes says, Ian's head is full of graphene literally okay well well look sure we we did integrate ian's brain with graphene
Starting point is 01:38:11 so that the the neurons could connect and it would transmit electricity much much better but i don't remember that part yeah he forgot but i guess it's true he got drunk and forgot i've had graphene on the brain we were talking about building computers just now i, no, but we could build microprocessors with graphene conductors, and I just didn't want to drag you through it. Daniel Trinka says, Tim, consider a bookstore on your website where guests can list their books. Maybe a 1% listing fee to you or something.
Starting point is 01:38:36 Good for them, good for you. Good idea. That is also a strange idea, but... It's good. I mean, yeah. I like it. It's kind of weird because we're... We just finished the song, Bright Eyes. It's kind of weird because we just finished the song Bright Eyes. It's completely done, and we're working on the music video. And we're trying to figure out how do we brand music. And then I was thinking, like, we're doing a bunch of crazy stuff this year in terms of production, short film, documentaries, music videos, music production.
Starting point is 01:38:59 And then I was just like, is there any other company that does all of this stuff? That does too much? Too much is a problem. Different brands for different things is important. I just mean, how come nobody does this? Where's Joe Rogan's rap album? That'd be awesome. It'd be great. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:39:22 We've got to make it, I guess. What about a video game? Like, I just, you know, Joe is the easy example because he's so wealthy and in the cultural space. I just wonder, I shouldn't single him out. There are a lot of ultra-wealthy people I know who make way more money than I do. And I'm just like, why don't they do anything with it? I always ask that. Like Seamus, for instance.
Starting point is 01:39:43 Yeah, I make an insane amount of money. YouTube cartoons, dude, those pay the bills. If you want to get insanely wealthy, draw a couple pictures, put them online. But for real, any one of these ultra-wealthy people, why aren't they doing more stuff? The honest answer is because they don't have the brain for it. It's not
Starting point is 01:39:59 personal. Most people don't have the cognitive ability or desire to make themselves that busy with these that many different thought processes because it requires also once you're that once you have that kind of money you you don't need to do anything well and it's like tim talks about if you're good at one thing it doesn't mean you're good at a lot of different things like i feel like a lot of different towns and they're also worried about social respectability so they don't do things that are like baby you know maybe maybe this is why i'm accused of being on adderall
Starting point is 01:40:24 i get all these lefties like, Tim must be on Adderall. It's like, no, I don't even drink. I don't do any of this stuff. But, you know, I don't know. I just want to... We got music coming out. We got a video game coming out. We've got so much stuff that we're trying to just crank out and expand upon.
Starting point is 01:40:39 But, you know, what I mean to say is it's like weird and eclectic. Like, obviously some people start companies and they make those companies the best and the biggest and the possible thing they could be. But this is a weird company. Our flagship product is a culture political podcast, and then we make video games and music. Music, yeah. Normal. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:40:57 All right. I'm cool with it. If they broke, don't fix it. We're going to make a video game console and a bookstore next. That's a good idea. The bookstore actually is a good idea. If we made a marketplace and people, it's like an alternative, like it's a non-Silicon Valley marketplace.
Starting point is 01:41:14 Why not? Mike Lindell, make an Amazon. Let people list their products and sell them through a portal so that people don't have to use Amazon. All right. them through a portal so that people don't have to use amazon all right sharon sweet says health insurance companies are looking to cover abortion travel expenses for employees how do you as a business owner feel about having to pay extra for health coverage to cover this so here's the thing people don't realize in in some states and i might be federal maybe you know this you can't
Starting point is 01:41:42 actually offer benefits until you reach a certain size. So we were like, you know, we here at Timcast are communists, so we're going to do great benefits. And then we're like, oh, you can't do that. I mean, you have to join up with like a PEO. I mean, I was able to do it with like just two or three employees, but you have to like,
Starting point is 01:41:57 there's like particular services you have to use to get access to it. What's a PEO? I forget. I don't know what exactly the acronym is, but the company's called Trinet. And the way it works is it's like they do this for startups, right? Like they give, basically it's like you have, if you're a startup with only a few employees, but you want to offer competitive benefit packages, then it's like you effectively
Starting point is 01:42:17 are all part of this massive company for the purposes of benefits and they handle your payroll and your benefits. PEO is Professional Employer Organization. So that's a company that handles other companies, just gives them a legal recourse to do bigger company stuff. Yeah, functionality. So let's read some more. The Gaelic Bat says, Seamus, yesterday you said that there is no sin too great that can't forgiven by the sacrifice of Jesus. I'm curious, does that mean you believe Satan could be forgiven for his sins? It's an interesting question.
Starting point is 01:42:48 So my understanding of this is that Satan exists in, I mean, he's spiritual, right? He doesn't have a corporeal form. And so just by the very nature of how angels exist, the decision they made is permanent. So he's fixed in that decision. Like by his nature he will not be sorry for what his decision was ever all right let's read some more i can see how that's like satan is a is a is a function and that different people's spirit can become part of that function at different times but that function will remain right. Bino says federal oil regulator worked in Alaska from 14 to 18 in Cook Inlet.
Starting point is 01:43:29 As of 18, there was little interest in those leases. Cook Inlet wasn't viewed as lucrative by industry. Plus, state regulators were overbearing. Interesting. I'm not surprised. Like, I really don't. I think it's weird. Like, normally, when it comes to Biden screwing up oil and gas leases, you think, okay, that's just the Biden administration being dumb and environmentalist.
Starting point is 01:43:51 It's like, but I honestly think that right now this is probably the one time that if they're actually deciding to cancel an oil and gas lease, there's probably a decent reason for it. Yeah. Because they really, really want the oil price to come down. They really do. All right. Samuel Eddy says, Tim's time travel misadventures.
Starting point is 01:44:07 Tim goes to the future and sees that it's really cool, so he brings Ian with him for the next trip, but it becomes a dystopia. It involves an older version of Tim who
Starting point is 01:44:15 sounds like Alex Jones. Do you understand the implications of what you just said? Oh. When a person travels from their time to the future, the future
Starting point is 01:44:23 they're in has no influence from them because they removed themselves from the timeline to jump forward so if i go to the future and everything's really cool it means that in fact without me the future ended up being really cool if i then go back and take ian to the future and it's a dystopia that would literally mean ian made the future cool because without his influence in the timeline the future is a dystopia i like this movie let's definitely do that man we need to uh we did a phone call because we're preparing the music video for the new song we did and uh like some of the best producers it's going to be legit i was talking to robbie starbuck who's one of the best of the best because he used to do music videos and i'm
Starting point is 01:45:03 just like we need to get on the short film train because i really i really really want to do a short film a short film about the legend of gellert's grave you've told me about this one yeah we've talked about it before do you guys know the story do you have a elevator elevator pitch for it short version is old dude from wales back in like the 1100s or whatever goes out to do his daily deeds and leaves his son and his dog back at the cabin. When he returns from his daily deeds, he sees his house has been ransacked. Everything's flipped over and he sees his son's crib is flipped over
Starting point is 01:45:33 and covered in blood. Then he sees his dog, Gellert, walk over, wagging his tail with blood all over his mouth. And so, you know, seeing that, believing his dog just killed his son, he draws his sword and thrusts it straight into the side of his dog, Gellert, killing it instantly. And with Gellert's dying welt being let out,
Starting point is 01:45:50 all of a sudden he hears a baby crying, and he rushes over to the crib that was flipped over. He flips it, and there's his son, perfectly safe, lying next to a wolf who had been killed by his faithful hound. And they say from that day, Prince Lillooin never smiled again. One of the most brutal stories. He killed a dog who saved
Starting point is 01:46:12 his son's life because he didn't even think about it. So I was like, I would love to make a short film about that. It's only a couple minutes long. And it would just be like the most brutal short film ever. You just gave away the ending though, man. But it's an old legend. If we titled it The Legend of Gellert's Grave, people would know exactly what was going to happen.
Starting point is 01:46:28 Gellert's Grave 2. Gellert's back. Gellert Pet Cemetery. Do your own twist on it. Yeah, Gellert Drew Part 2. He accidentally buried Gellert at Pet Cemetery and got returns for revenge. An army of other dog ghosts. You betrayed me.
Starting point is 01:46:42 Yes. Alright, where were we rilo says does will still support compulsory covet vaccination correct me if he never did what is his stance on abortion dumb or evil goes as follows if you repeatedly if you got get repeatedly punched in the face it doesn't matter why your duty is is to fight. Okay. No, I don't think I was ever for compulsory vaccination. I was generally broadly pro-vaccine in the sense that I thought they were a good thing. And it seems like the evidence was that they worked. But I don't think I was pro-mandate.
Starting point is 01:47:18 I think I was very consistent on that. So I'd like to find somebody. If you can find a tweet saying different, go for it. But I'm pretty sure I was pro-vaccine anti-ate from like the get-go um what about your thoughts on abortion as for abortion i think like i'm anti-rowe versus wade i guess i'm probably like i would consider myself fairly moderate like probably first trimester is okay after that i would ban it i think viability anything beyond viability is psychotic yeah like the baby can live but you've decided for some reason to not let it yeah no i i have the same vote i kind
Starting point is 01:47:51 of like i'm not personally religious so i just kind of like see you know i think i see it as essentially a balance of like interest like it is a profound there's a profound liberty interest at stake like the right and and i think that that interest tilts more and more towards the child as like and away from the woman as as pregnancy goes on and so i think the thing seamus gets wrong no there's nothing i'm correct i'm sorry the thing you guys get wrong no the thing seamus gets wrong is you you can't be absolutely pro-life because you're ignoring our blood quota to mullock no but like that's you know people are if people are asking like i'm you know there's a reason like i'm anti-bro versus wade and also i don't have like you know i don't expect my view to take
Starting point is 01:48:35 hold in conservatism right like just because like this is what i personally think does not mean i'd i think that i think the left's barbaric and and i'd much rather be on the right they tried they tried just passing a bill that would have given abortion up to nine months. And what they do is this manipulation where they say, for the health of the mother, it's like if that was the case, you would say, and every measure must be taken to protect the life of the child as well. Like, if a pregnancy must be ended at nine months to save the mother you're just basically having a delivery of the baby right i don't know it's like but they're like no you can abort it like well that's just killing the baby at nine months it's barbaric like second trimester abortion late second trimester abortions that are barbaric uh and they should be illegal like that's
Starting point is 01:49:19 just and that's not even getting of the question now like i think it gets you know what the arguments i don't like and i've talked about this before are sort of the question now. Like, I think it gets, you know what, the arguments I don't like, and I've talked about this before are sort of the, like the simple syllogisms of like abortion is murder. Therefore murder is a life. Cause I actually think like there's, there's sort of an intrinsic problem of, you know,
Starting point is 01:49:34 if you really are going to make the argument that abortion is murder, then you must punish it to me. It's like to be that to go, if you're going to insist on that logical consistency, then you have to insist on the logical consistency of the punishment, which means women are accessories and need to be punished pretty severely. Yeah. Which I don't think is okay.
Starting point is 01:49:50 And so I kind of get to the point that. Yeah, I think. I think. But I mean, so if someone kills a pregnant woman, they are charged with double homicide. That's true. Not everywhere. Yeah. But the question is, like, someone else killing a child is going to face a legal consequence.
Starting point is 01:50:07 Why would someone killing their own child not face a legal consequence? I think the anti-abortion crowd typically shows there is a distinction between an abortion and the killing of a baby. If there was a story about big buildings where they literally brought babies in and just killed them, you'd have people surrounding it, smashing the windows, and you'd be going... So there's something... There's a difference in the moral quality of the act, right? There's a... Versus like an abortion versus walking up to someone and shooting them in the street. And no matter... And that's why I don't like the syllogism argument because like you...
Starting point is 01:50:41 And because I think that the pro-life lobby intrinsically does know that there's a difference because they don't argue for punishment in the same way. We'll raise some more superchats because I want to make sure we can agree as many as possible. We'll talk in the after show. I actually have to leave. I'm sorry. My baby, who we had, has been screaming for sure. I'll make funny argument when you're gone. Joseph Wilkinson says, Tim, your theory on fathers aborting their financial duty
Starting point is 01:51:07 doesn't go far enough. If a woman aborts the child against the father's will, she should be forced to compensate the father in some way. How do you make up for that? How do you what? How do you make up for the abortion of a child if the father didn't want to be aborted? What's the fair market value of a human baby?
Starting point is 01:51:22 50 grand. Oh, boy. She's got to pay 25 grand. Ask my parenthood. No, I'm kidding. All right. Butter Warrior says, make mommy milkers great again. Okay.
Starting point is 01:51:31 Yes. Bill Hughes says, before Similac, mothers made their own baby formula. Now we're talking. It was like milk, wasn't it? Right. It was a crazy hack. Like cow milk. It was usually evaporated milk or dried milk.
Starting point is 01:51:46 And a lot of times babies didn't get all the nutrients they needed. They would literally just take powdered milk and Karo syrup. Frosting. There you go. Perfect. You can put frosting in one of those cake things and the baby can just eat that. Yeah. What about mashed peas?
Starting point is 01:51:58 Babies need sugar, right? What about what? Mashed peas. Do they eat mashed peas? That was my favorite food as a kid. Peas. Honey. Formula is because babies...
Starting point is 01:52:05 Yeah. Honey. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Don't give your baby honey peas. Batten a thousand over here. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:10 Babies can't eat solid food until they're like one year old. So you can't feed them a lot of stuff. That's why formula is so important. Avocados. I do agree with your point earlier, Lydia, that that formula... A nice... A nice session with formulas like a pharmacological thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:22 That's kind of what it looks like to me. A nice medium rare ribeye. Yes. Yeah. Your boy's going to be big and strong. He'll love it. At what age can a baby have a nice medium rare steak? Three.
Starting point is 01:52:33 Three? Three years old, probably. Those poor children. I know. It's tough. Oh, man. All right. What is it?
Starting point is 01:52:40 Joseph says, what's your take on the stock market, Will? Curious. My take on the stock market, Will? Curious. My take on the stock market? I mean, I think like a lot of the sort of big growth stocks that had price earnings ratios that went wild are taking a beating. Like Tesla's taking a beating, for example. You know, they're still at a 99 price earnings ratio. Wasn't AMC and GameStop went up or something? Yeah, all the sort of meme-y stuff and all the growth, cool, it stocks are taking a beating. A lot of the normal companies
Starting point is 01:53:09 aren't taking as much of a beating. I'm pretty sure, I was looking at SPLV, which is my index of the boring Coke and McDonald's or whatever, and they're down a little, but they're all doing fine. I think we probably are in
Starting point is 01:53:22 for some sort of recession because we got a lot of inflation out there. And to stop that, you need interest rates to go up. And so that will create some havoc. But that doesn't mean that, like, long-term – I think it's not – the long-term collapse of the American economy is not going to happen, right? Like, as a result of this short recession. Yeah, I noticed the Terra Luna cryptocurrency. I don't know if you guys have been following this, but it was worth like $80 a couple weeks ago.
Starting point is 01:53:46 It's worth six ten thousandths of a cent now. It crashed 99.99999% in like two days. Buy the dip, bro. So all it was, it was one. I almost bought it when it was at one cent. I would have lost like a thousand percent of my money. It's one crypto that happened. So like you're saying,
Starting point is 01:54:06 a total market collapse doesn't look like it's going to happen. They're going to be crashing specific types of currencies and buying back. Speculative assets are the ones that are going to suffer, right? Either crypto or equity, right? You know, that's what's struggles
Starting point is 01:54:19 in a recession. You know, my thing is, I don't have crypto because I'm like, I'm going to make a lot of money off this. Yeah, I go for the utility personally. We talked a little bit about it before the show. I bought in crypto as a digital asset, you know, and the value can fluctuate dramatically, but it is a digital store of value.
Starting point is 01:54:39 I'm not looking for it to reach 10,000% and make a million dollars overnight. I bought in Bitcoin a long, long time ago, and, you know, it jumped up to 60,000, and make a million dollars overnight. I bought in Bitcoin a long, long time ago. And it jumped up to 60,000. And I went, wow, well, I'm not going to sell because that's not why I bought it. And then it falls down to 30. And I was like, huh, well, I don't care. I didn't buy it to sell it.
Starting point is 01:54:56 Then it goes up to 50 again. And I'm like, I don't even check the price. That's not why I got it. Mulecoin just hit 2,000. Oh, yeah, OK. Let's read some more. Rye Lyon says, I was a director at a multinational that started belittling and discriminating against white men. I asked them to end the policies, and they said no, so I let them know it's why I left.
Starting point is 01:55:16 Great decision. Good for you, man. Good for you. You know, we had Daryl Davis on last week, and I think a lot of people were disappointed to discover that he was a racial identitarian. They assumed the story of the man who de-radicalized Klansmen was that he told them not to be racist when in fact he actually met them and said race is the
Starting point is 01:55:34 determinant factor in policy and should be, agree with me instead on my racial identitarianism and they said yes. So it wasn't that this guy de-radicalized people from racial identitarianism they maintained their racial identitarianism they maintained their racial identitarianism just their position moved a little to the left i suppose i mean that kind of changes the story a lot it might be i don't know because i wasn't there when he was doing it
Starting point is 01:55:54 so i don't know exactly the conversations it might be that he's just kind of a chill dude and it's like yeah i like daryl i do and i if he says stuff i don't agree with like i kind of want to talk to him because he listens it may be that he got radicalized in the past few years with the critical race theory stuff. Yeah. So when I told him the definition of critical race theory as per the book, he just refused. Like, no, I don't believe it. He's like, that's not what it is. I've heard what Kimberly Crenshaw says.
Starting point is 01:56:16 And then you also have Derrick Bell, who I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he praised Plessy versus Ferguson and said that Democrats never should have. I'm sorry that the black community never should have pushed against it. So they wanted separate but equal. That's the critical race theory that they want. Well, let's read some more. The trooper says, hey, Tim, longtime fan on your point of influencers versus blue collar jobs. I am a fire proofer for construction sites, and all I do is mask windows and walls from overspray and pull hoses all day. And I get $25 an hour. Not bad cash for low-skilled labor.
Starting point is 01:56:49 Keep rocking, dude. But it's, like, really important. I mean, you know. Good for you. Fireproofing is. I mean that. Like, good for you. Good for you.
Starting point is 01:56:56 Like, that's a virtuous thing to be doing. Good for you. Rain B says, Tim, I'm a medical microbiologist. And that's what I wanted since I was young. My little siblings could care less and want to get money with no work and worshipped without work. Though I'm one of the grads who has loans, but I work my ass off. Well, glad to hear it, man. I think people should pursue their passions and do their best to be good at it, but also be realistic, too, because sometimes people are passionate about folklore and mythology.
Starting point is 01:57:25 And it's really cool if you know a lot, and you could be hired as a movie consultant. They're like, hey, we want to do a movie, it's fantasy, and we want to have these gods and these ancient creatures, and they're going to need someone who's an expert on that. But I really don't think that's going to be a consistent job for them. If there is an expert out there, I'd like to know, when the comet struck North America 13,000 years ago,
Starting point is 01:57:47 12,800, and caused the flood that sunk Atlantis, how long between when the comet was in the sky and they saw it and when it connected? How long was that? And who was running Atlantis? And who was running Atlantis at the time? And where did the Atlanteans go? I really want to know how long they saw that thing before it hit
Starting point is 01:58:02 and how long the society had to prepare if they even knew what it was. All right. It was Joe Biden. He's an old guy. Psycho Dragon says, Psycho Dragon Studios is making an ARPG. I'm a medically retired vet making a AAA level game, mostly solo dev
Starting point is 01:58:18 on UE4. Where are we? We aren't rich. Busy grinding away. The character in my profile is one of my NPCs. My team is anti-woke on commission. Cool. Good luck. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:58:31 Corey the Merrill says, For mules, you could release an audio commentary. Viewers are meant to play with the movie. Also, please consider watching the anime Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It's available on HID Live. That's a really good idea. We could do it, and we won't show the documentary. We will say we're going to show the timestamp of the documentary so you know where our commentary is in the film so you can easily synchronize it yourself.
Starting point is 01:58:56 And then if you buy the film, you can hear our commentary along with it. Yeah, and then you can turn the volume down. You can do your own levels. That's a good idea. Yeah. The only issue, I suppose, is there might be periods where we would want to pause things. But we could, I guess. Just leave the room and come back.
Starting point is 01:59:09 The time stamp stops. I think we'll have to commit to letting it run and just, if you've got to go, go and come back. I mean, pause it to make a point. To be like, hold on, hold on, pause. He just said this. Guys, did you hear that? Let's look that up. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:59:20 Maybe we'll do a deep dive or something. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. That would be really cool. Samuel Hess says, Hey, Will, not sure if the milk thing was slightly a joke, but I had major colic as a baby, and my mom couldn't make breast milk or anything on the shelf work,
Starting point is 01:59:35 so my parents used goat milk. Worked great. And as a 36-year-old gay man, doing great. It works for some people. I'm not going to say goat milk doesn't work for anybody. I'm just saying there are kids who really do need the formula like there's and so and those are the kids who are really struggling right now right even with this current baby formula shortage most people can find formula that works check this out always point north
Starting point is 01:59:58 says i live in california work as a ready mix driver there is also a cement powder shortage cement i think there's general supply chain a cement powder shortage what cement i think the general supply chain problems everywhere right like i mean i think baby short formula is particularly impacted because of that plant shutdown but there's there's problems everywhere tricky says i work for trinet would suggest a different company because trinet has been going more and more woke in the past few years i.e d.eI training. So bad I'm thinking of looking for another job after seven plus years. Fair enough, but Trinet is just an example
Starting point is 02:00:30 of a company in the space of PEOs. Yeah. Andrew Barnes says, Dark is radical. He's defining systemic and not systematic racism. There's a difference. Oh, is he referring to another super chat? Tyler Price says,
Starting point is 02:00:44 Ian, it was multiple impacts over 22 years yeah yeah i think it was over 800 years there were two bouts of like there was a oh 22 year collisions that's insane but what i want to know is the first the one that actually caused the flood itself uh what was that how long i mean obviously it's a big question i don't know if historians have figured it out yet all right they got nailed twice in 800 years. Another 800 years later, it came back. And that's why the Egyptians have all these hieroglyphs of pointing at comets, because they're like, hey, guys, in the future, look out. Get ready. Warning.
Starting point is 02:01:13 Watch out. Oh, what's this? We have a super chat from someone named The Real Hydro, who says, Tim, you and Joel both had the same guest, Daryl Davis. While on your show show daryl exposed himself on joe he was put on a pedestal joe is clueless that's why i wonder if this is that daryl's been radicalized more recently because we had him at an event and none of this stuff came up before like i talked to him and he was not talking about any of that stuff maybe no one's ever given him the opportunity to actually talk about those issues or challenge those issues and hear what he thought about them.
Starting point is 02:01:45 Yeah, we started talking about reparations. It got kind of derailed into money, but he was pretty clear like he doesn't think it has to be a money thing. It just would figure out a way to repair the system. I think it was all wrong anyway. All right, guys, we're going to go over that member segment. So make sure you smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show if you really do like it.
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Starting point is 02:02:28 And it's politics, man. People are trying to get us shut down, so once we get these infrastructure changes made, we can do a lot. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. You can follow me personally at TimCast. Will, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, just right now,
Starting point is 02:02:41 follow me on Twitter at Will Chamberlain. At Will Chamberlain. So go over to Freedom Tunes. We just released a video today called Bro V. Wade. I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. I really was said the Egyptians had a hieroglyph of them pointing at a comet. I remember seeing it when I was younger. I'm looking into it now because I haven't looked in a long time.
Starting point is 02:03:00 So maybe the Egyptians didn't have that. I've got to really source that before I emphatically drive it home. Have a nice evening, guys. See you next time. So maybe the Egyptians didn't have that. I've got to really source that before I emphatically drive it home. Have a nice evening, guys. See you next time. I want to thank Will so much for coming this evening and bringing his lovely wife and beautiful baby. It's very fun to see both of them again, for sure, and the baby for the first time, which is really neat. You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com
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