Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #532 - Elon Musk Responds To Project Veritas Report On Twitter Bias w/Jamie Kilstein

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

Tim, Seamus of FreedomToons, and Lydia join cancelled comedian and podcaster Jamie Kilstein to discuss Elon Musk responding the Project Veritas leak, the NEW Veritas expose of Twitter proving 'Get woke, go broke,' Elon Musk's choice to vote Republican this time around, the story of a woke comedian being canceled and rage=quitting the left, Elon saying the real president is whoever is in charge of the teleprompter and comparing Joe Biden to The Anchorman, and the Jordan B. Peterson/Sports Illustrated debacle. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Elon Musk has responded to the report from Project Veritas showing a Twitter senior engineer saying that the platform is biased. They do censor conservatives. They don't censor the left. The company is commie as F. And the best part is the engineer says he works like four hours per week and just shows up when he feels like it or just takes days off. I'm sure your new boss, potentially, coming in would love to know about how you guys don't do any work. I'm willing to bet Elon's going to go to his investors and these other stockholders and people giving a loan and whatever and be like, I'm pretty sure I can save you a lot of money because these guys are getting paid to do nothing. We also have another release from Project Veritas.

Who was the guy at Twitter? What was his position? I want to make sure I get it have another release from Project Veritas. Who was the guy at Twitter? What was his position? I want to make sure I get it right. Lead engineer. Lead engineer saying basically get woke, go broke. So you've got a guy at Twitter saying wokeness is hurting their ability to become profitable or to generate profit. And he is absolutely correct. We'll talk about

that. Of course, the other stuff with Elon Musk basically freezing the deal because he wants evidence of the bots. Proof is less than 5%. And he's even calling the SEC informally to investigate. You were going to say something? Yeah, I got to ask. Was this guy who was saying he only works four hours a week, was he on a date?

Yeah. So that's a very weird thing to brag about. Yeah, I'm super lazy. I'm not a productive person. My bit on this was, you know, when I was seeing the leak. Veritas does this all the time where they have women go on Tinder dates.

There's got to be a short film or we got to do a skit where it's an engineer, you know, and she's like, tell me more. And then, you know, like someone texts him and it's like, you're being sustained by Veritas. And he confronts her and he's like, is this all I was to you? know, like someone texts him and is like, you're being sustained by Veritas. And he confronts her and he's like, is this all I was to you?

She's like, no, when it started, it was. But now it's something more. Exactly. It's a natural Mr. Deeds story. Yeah. And then she's like, I don't want to do this with Veritas. I want to be with you. I don't know if I can trust you.

And then they get together in the end. James O'Keefe is the villain. He's got a twirling mustache. She's like, no! I'm against love! All right, we're going to talk about news, I guess. We got Jordan Peterson getting roasted because he called. There's a fat chick on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

And he said she was not beautiful and it was authoritarian. Look, I think, what did James say? You got wisdom in choosing your battles or something? Oh, yeah. I was just going to say, I mean, yeah, pick your battles kind of thing. I'm a fan of the doctor. I want to start only calling fat girls authoritarian now. If you're fat.

All right. I don't even know what the rest of the – we have other news apparently. There's some other stuff. Yeah, Joe Biden did something. He's criticizing Tucker Carlson. We'll see. We got There's some other stuff. Yeah, Joe Biden did something. He's criticizing Tucker Carlson. We'll see. We got a lot of Elon stuff. Oh, yeah, gas prices. A gas station, I think, in the Pacific Northwest ran out of gas.

And they're preparing for four-digit gasoline prices. So thanks, Joe Biden. Joining us to talk about all this is Jamie Kilstein. Hey, everybody. Who are you? I am just here trying not to get canceled again. Wrong place to come for that, buddy. No, you guys are beloved by everybody.

That's what my PR agent told me. Well, not Lydia, but the rest of us are. She's the one getting us canceled. Yeah, thanks, Seamus. Lydia's so likable. Why the hater? I'm a comedian. I'm a comedian.

I'm a comic. Let's just say that. That's much easier than my fucking sad story. I know. I already blew it. I'm a comic. Let's just say that. That's much easier than my fucking sad story. I know. I already blew it. I already blew it. It's all good. We're three minutes in, so we're good.

Actually, the rule on YouTube is you can't swear in the first 30 seconds. Oh, is that it? And then you're not like if you swear a lot, they start pinging you. Yeah. But the rule specifically is like, did you swear in the first 30 seconds? No. All right. Let's go.

Yeah. So it's like, all right, whatever. Good. But there are children watching. Sorry. Well, I assume we have people who are parents who will play the show in their car or something. I love the idea of a child with a Project Veritas shirt who doesn't want to hear dirty words. We also have Seamus.

Yeah, Seamus of Freedom Tunes. We're going to be releasing a new cartoon this Thursday, as we do every Thursday. Announced last show that we're going to be launching a paywall at freedomtunes.com if you guys want to sign up to get notified when we launch on May 30th for five bucks a month. You're going to get behind the scenes content and also an extra video every week.

An extra cartoon every week. Oh, that's what I was supposed to do. Promote my stuff. No, no, no. Do my thing first. Go to freedomtunes.com. I'm so used to doing – Do my thing first. I'm so used to doing – Go to freedomtoons.com. I'm so used to doing podcasts where I'm in trouble. Like back in the day, I would just get introduced as, hey, funny man. You've seen him on Conan O'Brien.

And now there's like a five-minute intro like once a darling of the left until things got dark. Yeah, I host a podcast. It's called a F-Ups Guide to the Universe. I'm so bad at marketing. F-Ups Guide to the Universe. I'm so bad at marketing. F-Ups Guide to the Universe. We have everyone from porn stars to John Cleese. And I talk about being a screw-up and getting through it and tell you not to kill yourself. And it's great.

So the interesting thing is one of the big stories we have is that Elon Musk announced he's voting Republican. He's not going to be voting Democrat. And there's an interesting story there for, I mean, obviously for many of you, for me personally, for those of us who feel like the Democrats have gone nuts. But you got canceled by a lot of people on the left. So we'll get into all that stuff. But I think your experience will play into the story pretty interestingly. No, I'm psyched about that. Yeah. Did you already mention?

I did not introduce myself yet. Oh, okay. Well, ladies, press the button. I am also here. I'm pushing buttons in the corner. I'm stoked for tonight. I think it's going to be hilarious. I'm really interested to talk about this lady. I don't think this is in any way authoritarian, but we will get into it. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com and become a member if you would like to support our work. As a member, you get access to TimCast IRL podcast segments. They go up at 11 p.m. Monday through Thursday.

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friends. Let's jump into the first story. Yo is cool elon musk finally responds to project veritas sting in which twitter engineer says all workers there are commie as f and that they hate the billionaire tesla boss he said is this legit that's it that's what he said but those three words mean so much in the viral uh the viral video so actually i think they're so i post this video it's got like six million bits of veritas video i posted it because it was newsworthy ends up people are blowing it up and putting out like crazy and i'm like all right cool um this guy says he only works four hours a week i think i think he basically says people can and like he did i don't want to say that he always does i don't know exactly what

he's trying to intend um but he also talks about how the company is just left, left, left, left, left, how they all hate Elon. He talks about how the right will tolerate the left wing speech, but the left will say, if you don't ban them, we quit. So Twitter basically says, okay, ban the people on the right because the people on the right don't care. All of that being confirmed. But in those three words, is this legit? Elon Musk, who is currently, he's currently frozen the deal. He's delaying it, saying, prove your bots. And now everyone's saying, oh, he's trying to shake them down, or he's trying to get out of the deal. I still think Elon Musk knows what he's doing. I still think he has a good likelihood to win. I think he's likely exposed fraud. And with this Veritas video, Elon Musk may now be

able to actually renegotiate the deal. That's the big news. Because a lot of people on the left are saying Elon Musk was willing to forego due diligence, saying we'll do the deal as is. The contract is the contract, right? Apparently the Twitter board is saying, no, no, he's got to buy it. With this video release, though, Elon Musk can be like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. You didn't disclose the work hours. You didn't disclose censorship or political ideology. But more so, I think the work hours in this is going to give him an ability to try and go back at the Twitter board. The real victim is the woman on the date who had to hear all of this on a first date.

That is a lot for a Tinder date. Brave women. And I got to tell you, Project Veritas journalist. Right. There's a meme where it says, if you are an engineer at Twitter and a beautiful young woman wants to know about your job, it's James O'Keefe. Do not say anything. I think that's the easiest way to put it like it's so funny that there's no edward snowden-esque leaker and literally all you need

to do is go put a hot chick in front of a tech nerd and it's over you've just blown the company this is this is why so i'm watching this leak the other day and i feel bad for this guy yeah i mean he doesn't seem like a bad dude he says that he's okay with elon buying the company you know he's become more left but he's you know he he doesn't seem like a bad guy he's telling people like this is what's happening at the company he's saying it's bad for business he's it doesn't even sound like he's being ideological he's like this is hurting the place i work but the sad thing is you know he meets this this young attractive woman on tinder and he thinks maybe he's finally found love. But it was James O'Keefe the whole time. You know what we should do?

We should do a skit where we get a guy talking to a beautiful young woman. And then he's like, wait a minute. Something's off. And then he grabs her hair, and he pulls it off. James is every time. It's actually James O'Keefe. It's actually James O'Keefe. They pull the wig down, and then James is literally – he's sitting there in a suit.

He's got a microphone. Tell me more about what you're saying. She's there in the pimp suit. He's got a microphone. Tell me more about what you're saying. He's there in the pimp suit. I've been having nightmares about that forever. I love it. This is the sting operation. It's young women on Tinder and it works.

I mean, it's genius. It's brilliant. It's so basic. I think it's legit. I think it's legit. When it comes to this stuff, especially in this culture where no one is encouraged to cultivate any self-control when it comes to sexuality, I think a lot of young men are like, okay, this, like, could be a sting.

Like, there's a probability, but I'm just going to try anyway. Yeah, that's why no one nowadays wears condoms anymore. It's just the whistleblower equivalent of that. I wonder if we are being arrogant and maybe this dude, what's his name? Siru. He might be swimming in women. You know what I mean? He might just be kicking back with his own pimp outfit and he's like, just another

girl at 7 o'clock. Make it quick, lady. I mean, he only works four hours a week. He's got a lot of time on his hands. Maybe he does just have a bunch of different girlfriends. We don't know that. He thought he was playing her. Maybe he's spying on her for another organization. We don't know. Maybe He thought he was playing her. Maybe he's spying on her for another organization. We don't know. Maybe he's wearing it in camera.

He's trying to take down O'Keefe. It's just like this circular reign of hell. Can you imagine how paranoid James O'Keefe must be on a date? He's like, all right, eventually this is coming for me. I know how this works. He's just always trying to shake them down for microphones. He's like, let's go to the beach for our date. Yeah, we'll go swimming.

We'll go swimming. Sorooshty, I got to admit, I do feel bad for a lot of these people that get caught by O'Keefe. Because I don't think, not every single person that gets exposed is a bad guy. Right. This guy is just, he's a senior engineer. He's in this environment. He probably doesn't know or care about what's going on culturally. He does a little bit, and he's like, yeah, this is what's happening.

And so now he's forced to be a whistleblower basically. But I still respect and think what James is doing is completely legitimate. I mean it's real reporting, and if we can't hear what these people are saying and doing and we don't know what's going on in these companies, bad things happen. Right. So this guy getting – basically know, basically admitting everything. And he's different from a lot of what we've seen. When we've seen like that Google woman and she's talking about stuff, it's like you've got people at big tech companies talking about how they set policy, how they do policy.

This is a guy on a date who's like, yo, this is what my company is like. Isn't that crazy? Right. So now he's deleted his Twitter account. I think he's deleted his LinkedIn. Twitter has issued a statement to their tweets. That's what they call it. That's the most offensive part of all this.

What is a tweet? Is that a customer or is that someone who works there? Someone who works there. So here's the email. He didn't mention that on the date. Yeah, no wonder. He's still too ashamed of that. It's like they call us tweets. It would have been funny if he just started crying. He's like, they call us tweets.

Alright, so we have this Instagram post from Veritas. Targeting of Tweeps, says the email. Tweeps. I can't believe I'm reading that. As we expected, a video was posted this evening by Project Veritas depicting a Tweet allegedly speaking about a number of company issues. We're in contact with the person involved and doing everything we can to help them. There may be more videos

to come, and we're continuing to monitor the situation. Help them? Help him, you mean? Why are they saying them? Them there. Are we learning something about Siru? Is it not a little bit interesting that everyone at Twitter who didn't like Elon Musk felt very comfortable voicing their displeasure with him potentially

taking over the company, even though he may have been running the place in the near future. But someone who has issues with the way Twitter is run now tries to be very quiet, and the only way we're able to get information from them is on hidden camera. Right, right, right, right. It goes on. It says, please review my previous note on how you can protect yourself and your fellow tweets from similar attempts in the future.

If you think you are being targeted or have been targeted, contact blank at twitter.com redacted. For safety and privacy of those involved, we ask you do not tweet about the situation or any related issues. Please remember that we all have an obligation to protect confidential proprietary information and not discuss internal conversations, policies, or products outside of work. Take care and stay safe. Pat, Pat, as soon as you sent the email out, they leaked it to Project Veritas. So that last message right there fell on deaf ears for sure. Whoopsie.

Oh, good, though. I mean, Ciro may not be somebody who's stepping up and willing to speak out about what I view as corruption within the company. Somebody is. Somebody, you know, is showing what they're saying behind the scenes and exposing what I would view as malfeasance. Also, are there any hot blondes that can go undercover and find out why I'm shadow banned on Instagram? There you go. Can we just start, like, just hiring our own hot girls to find out?

I'm imagining the same scenario with, like, a hot young girl talking to Mark Zuckerberg and how he would be... He has no idea how to respond. Yeah, he would just be, like, staring at her blankly. She's like, tell me about your work. My work is good. Start speaking to her in binary. I have no idea.

Zero, one, one, zero, one, zero, one, one. Okay, buddy. What's happening? No, I don't know. Zuckerberg's married, I think, right? Oh, yeah. Is he married to the family? I do always think it's stupid

that people try and do these arguments where it's like, if for some reason they don't like you, they attack your manhood. Yeah. But primarily on the left. I always find that funny. Like, why is it that people on the left who are the ones who are like traditional masculinity using a thing and then they're like you're an incel it's like well well

because one thing the left oh the like everyone's believe well exactly left doesn't believe the things that they espouse they know that conservatives are generally more sensitive to the idea of whether or not they're being considered masculine or at least they assume that they're constantly trying to like break down gender barriers but they think oh if i challenge his manhood then i'll be able to manipulate him into doing what i want everyone has the same fears everyone has the same insecurities everyone's a hypocrite everyone uses the same stuff except for this guy but i'm like it's it's like they go after ben shapiro first of all they i've heard over and over how short Ben Shapiro is. Yeah.

Then we go and meet him and he's like normal like average height. He's taller than all of us. He was like 6'7". He's like 6'3". Another lie from the liberal media. Ben Shapiro is just yoked. He just dunks on all of us like literally. They actually built an oversized set because they want –

So he had to look normal. No, no. I think he's like slightly about average. Yeah. And I was like, oh, sick. He's taller than me. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't have to tell people that.

They all know. But they lie about his height. Yeah. And then they also call him an incel. And Ben's just sitting there with his kids and his wife. And he's like, I have a family. And then you're like, I don't understand why. Who are they trying to hurt? Yeah. Go after ideas. Go after ideas and he's like i have a family and then you're like i don't understand why who are they trying to hurt yeah go after ideas go after ideas that's all you

have to do if you have any merit to yours go after ideas like anytime i was it's like when you're fighting with your girlfriend or boyfriend and the second you realize you're wrong you just like change the subject and panic you know you said you were gonna the last week and it's just you're panicking you're doubling down just you're panicking you're doubling down and you're panicking and you're short all right bud you're out of ideas yeah no it's true there are so many it's funny because you bring up relationships there are so many different communication habits that you see predominantly on the left that would be deeply unhealthy in any kind of relationship so for example they assume that they know that you have

some kind of like racist attitude inside of you or sexist attitude and then they're just like trying to picket your words in some way that'll justify their narrative they like start with the conclusion right that you're a bad person acting in bad faith so they can malign you that's not how you have conversations with people that's not how you have conversations with people it's deeply unhealthy this is why i was saying the other day when we had Matt on, I was like we don't do stuntmen. Political stuntmen. People who do, make games of

things and they're like infotainment stuff. I'm not going to invite them on. I mean, maybe, but people who have done it to us are just like out the first time they do it. So if they try and pull any stunts to rage bait their audience and go, woo, look at us, we're culture wars,

I'm like, eh, we're not going to fight that guy. All right, we have a correction. We have a story from Veritas, but we mentioned earlier that the guy was a lead engineer. He's a lead client partner. Oh, that's my fault.

But let's read this story with a tweet from Lydia Lederman. Oh. Who's that? Who's that? Breaking. Lederman. Lederman.

I pronounced it wrong. Yeah. Twitter lead client partner says woke ideology responsible for inability to profit affirms Twitter not here to give people free speech, refuses taking Elon Musk seriously due to Asperger's making him special. There we go. Well, now here's the issue. I like the first thing he said, but the ableism just gets to me.

It is problematic. It's problematic. It's problematic. Let's hear what this man has to say. Okay, let me fix the items. Also, is this another date? I think so. Yes. Yeah, this is how you do it. Well, to be fair, these guys probably make pretty good money,

so it's probably pretty easy for them to get dates. I mean, look, if you're a guy on Tinder, you know, how many you swipe right a hundred times, you get, how many, how many, you swipe right a hundred times, you get back how many messages? Yeah. I don't want to talk about it. So it's going to say ideology, which is what led us to not being profitable.

The rest of us who have been here believe in something that's good for the planet and not just to give people free speech. Because again, like these people really do believe in what we're doing. It's a cult. He literally said it's for the betterment of the world. Betterment of the planet. Is that in the Green New Deal? Yeah.

What are you talking about? Imagine AOC makes the Green New Deal and it's like, we'll buy Twitter. Elon can't own Twitter. These are the policies we've put in place for misinformation or mislabeling media or whatever. Why do you think this should be taken down? Yeah. Those are the questions they're going to ask. It's going to be hard for him

to be like, oh, because people should make their own decision. It's like, no, but people don't know how to make a rational decision if you don't put out correct things that are supposed to be out like the hunter biden laptop story he's correct yeah like the hunter by the story like russia gate like ukraine gate like the covington kids like jesse smollett like trayvon martin like ahmed arbry oh man like

ghost of gift wow the list goes on and on and on like wmds in iraq and all of that good juicy stuff he's completely right i got very excited excited when you said WMDs. I'm like, finally one I'm allowed to agree with. I agree with that one. Don't get me in trouble. I remember that. I remember the war in Iraq. It's bad.

Follow me on Twitter. So this guy. My favorite, by the way, was during that kind of slurred rant, seeing the person he was out with slowly pick up the wine glass as he's just rambling. What did you notice? Also, one thing I loved is the way he said it. He's like, people can make their own decisions. Okay.

Great. I noticed something. Did you notice something about this video that is different from the other video? I don't think you saw the other video, though. It's a dude, right? It's a dude. That means it's not Tinder. That means it's Grindr. It's a Grind, right? It's a dude. That means it's not Tinder. That means it's Grindr.

Grindr. It's a Grindr date. Spicy. Advertiser as my business is what I do every day and why I go out. It's like we want it to be as fair and transparent and accurate as possible. And if that means there's a level of censorship to make it correct, quote unquote. Again, what does correct mean? I guess it just kind of goes against the idea of what is correct.

If we're implementing all these rules and Elon wants to dismantle them, then technically our ideology has led us to not making money because we're not making money. And Elon wants to turn it the other way so that we can make money. There's a statement they need all 7,000 people to say. And so they can't, like, tell us that, like, the real truth is Oscars.

Yeah, yeah, I know that. So be special. Your needs are literally special needs so i can't even take what you're saying seriously wait wait wait you're gonna read it let me see you're getting in how to protect yourself groups like project veritas are active oh he's so full of it dude i'm sorry'm sorry. At that second, I would end the day. I'd be like, ah, okay.

Oh, you don't know how to pronounce Veritas? No, no, no. No, 100%. That's the Veritas journalist. No, I know. I know. That's what I'm saying. He's obviously trying to come back.

He's like, what's this? Project Veritas. He's like, I've never heard of this wonderful sounding organization. Why does Twitter dislike them? Yeah, I'll keep. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I'm gonna go back a little bit.

He starts talking about it. It's like some group that's trying to just out the employees. Like they're trying to. This is from like yesterday. No, this is like how obvious does a trap have to be? Project Veritas. He's like, let me tell you everything I think about that. You know what I love?

Acorn. Yeah, hey. He's like this wonderful organization, Acorn. They got destroyed. I mean, this person, this is the ultimate. If you are doing a sting operation and your mark shows you your other successful sting operation. It's just gold. You're like, I am killing it. By the way, this is the fault of those dating coaches

who are telling people to repeat every incriminating thing about themselves on their first date with a stranger. Wait, is this a big thing? No, I'm being sarcastic. No, because I've definitely done that on first dates where I was just like, sit down and let me tell you a tale of a website called Jezebel. I've done that on first dates. I was just like, sit down and let me tell you a tale of a website called Jezebel. I've done that on first dates.

So it's like... Do not suggest. The Twitter guy sits down and he's like, hello, I'm John and you're Janet. Nice to meet you. I commit crimes at Twitter.

I disparage people who are lesser than me and I want to rule the world and that's our goal for the company and we're going to steal money from people. It's like, well, that was something weird to lead with.

All right, let's play more. Also go ahead and record them and then go sell it to the New York Times and say this is what the Twitter employee just said. This is what's really happening. This is what they're telling us to not do. You're lucky that you met me organically because I would be questioning everything about you.

That's brutal. They just put that in there to hurt the man. They just put that in there to hurt the man. They just put that in there to hurt the man. There was no reason to include that in the story, dude. That's a cartoon. That didn't really happen. No, none of that really happened. He looked into the camera.

We are being set up right now. He looks at the camera. Tim, this is to set you up for reporting misinformation. Exactly. We're not falling for it right now. We are going on record. It's a trap. It's a trap.

It's a trap. This is the skit. This is not real. I met you at a bar. How could you do this to me? I didn't mean to. We were viewing the news. You're not part of that project, Veritas.

You would never hurt me. This is ridiculous. Dude, I'm telling you, we're about to hear sirens. The house is being surrounded right now. This is us being set up. Right. One million percent. No, they're like filming us, I don't know, through the computer somehow. Oh surrounded right now. This is us being set up. Right. One million percent. No, they're like filming us, I don't know, through the computer somehow.

Oh my gosh, we have webcams on our computer. We're being set up. They want to see your response to it. Let me play this. Let me play it again. You're lucky that you met me organically because I would be questioning everything about you. Yo, that was, that hurt my soul. I know it's like very creepy.

Like he gets real close to her. He does get close. I would be questioning him. He knows. Do you guys think he knew? I mean, it looks like it, but he said everything he wasn't supposed to say. But he literally looked into the email. But this guy's suspicious of Project Veritas, and he goes on a date and tells the person everything.

And shows them the email saying not to do it. I don't know. I got to tell you guys a story. I once worked for a news organization and we were getting spear phishing emails. So do you guys know what spear phishing is? The actual sport or is it some weird political term?

Email. It's a hacker term. Yep. See, I knew it. So phishing is when you'll get a random email that says like sign up today, click here. Yep. You do and then it tries to give you your password. A spear phishing attack is when they spoof an email. And so we were getting emails from higher-ups at this company to us saying, hey, there's a big story. Check it out right here.

And I'm not an idiot. So as soon as I saw it, I laughed. It had like the wrong title for the staff member. I brought it to the it to the cto and i was like hey we're getting phishing attempts i was like maybe it's just me and he was like no everybody got it and i was like oh for real he's like and 25 people clicked it and i went i was like yep no figure and then i was like didn't they realize their boss wasn't that position and they were, they didn't think about it. And so they locked it up right away. Here's where it gets really good.

So then a few days later, we all get basic phishing attacks where it's an email from a company that I've never heard of. And it's like, sign up today, click here. And I laugh. And so I go to the CTO again and I say i'm getting more phishing attempts and he's like i know i know i know we'll we'll deal with it and then a few hours later a company-wide email from the cto goes out saying guys i told you not to click these links you if you've clicked any of these links you now need to reset your password with a link and and as soon as I saw it, I went to the CTO and I was like, bro, this was the best spear phishing attack ever. That's incredible.

The CTO never sent out an email. That was the attack. That is clever. And then he was like, wait, what happened? And I was like, it came from you, dude. They spoofed your email. It was masterful. And they got in oh suicide

and so here's here's why i bring this up because hackers are hilarious it was i was laughing and the cto was like he was stressed but he was like that was good that's incredible that wasn't clever it was a very clever manipulation like it was a three-layered attack but here's why i bring the story up for one i love that story of like the hacker move how they broke into the system i'm in but the best part is this guy working for twitter is sent a warning email yep from there people like guys be on the lookout don't do this and he goes i'm gonna do exactly what they told me not to do with this stranger look he's like i'm gonna get some tail also these are not sexy stories to talk about on the day like if you're getting that email, just bring up something else, dude.

I'd like to issue an apology and retraction. It was not a Grindr date. Oh, no? They did it organically. Organically. They met organically. At Grindr HQ. Yeah, yeah. Just pacing outside. I can't wait to finally see the Veritas video

where it's like, at the altar at their wedding. He's just, yeah. He's just going on about his job and the corrupt things they're doing. Showing him that video and the vows. Like, look at this crazy. Like, look at this email. It's their 25th wedding anniversary. The priest is like, we will now have the bride and groom read their vows.

And then he's like, when I first met you, I was working for a large bank. I was funneling money to private corporations and parents oh my gosh no dude and the priest is like he's a fake priest he's also in and out he's like if you have any incriminating information about yourself you may now say it her children from a past marriage have tiny mustaches and are wearing trench coats you know we got it we have to get we have to do the skit we have to get james in on it we have to that would be hysterical like. We get a small young woman sitting in front of the guy, and he goes, wait a minute. And when he grabs her hair and pulls it down, it's just a full six-foot-tall James O'Keefe in a suit. This is like the Twitter version of To Catch a Predator, where every time they're like, I'm going to get away.

You're not from that crazy MSNBC show. And then Chris Hansen, we do that with James O'Keefe. Like, why don't you have a seat? Why don't you take a seat over there? What part of you thought this made any sense? Dude, I'm not kidding. We should legit do those.

That'd be funny skits. My legit advice, by the way, when you're out on dates, ask about the other person. Yeah, no, seriously. They're like going out about themselves and their business. So these people are getting caught monologuing,

which we know is not something good. Insufferable. Exactly. For a first date? I gotta say, too, I genuinely think this guy knew what was up. He saw that email. He's like, here's a guy.

I'm going to meet him in a bar and I'm going to tell him everything. Yeah, he did the villain head tilt. It's so weird, right? Yeah. Yeah, but if you met someone randomly, you wouldn't think it. But he just got that email. He is a tweet. Also, some of these people are just sociopaths.

They're just narcissists where they're like, yeah, I'm picking up people randomly. I don't have anything to worry about, blah, blah, blah. Instead of – I mean meeting organically is almost more suspect than Tinder because Tinder, there are so many options, so many options. I mean essentially this dude just walks up to you. I mean that's – you are targeted. That to me is easier to spot. Do you think so? Do you think that Veritas has like a dossier on the Twitter employees?

And so they send out like a young dude to this bar and they're like, your target is this man. And he pulls up the photograph and he's like, I'm going to go on a date. This is his type. Like looked up like exes on Facebook and stuff. Yes. And then he shows up and sees him. I want to work for Project Veritas. This sounds very fun.

It does sound fun fun doesn't it like until you have to break their heart oh yeah you guys think this is a laughing matter no I would fall in love

with it that's why we have I fall in love with my mom exactly we've already written two really funny bits we should do one is

where it's like the teen drama where the jock dates the ugly girl because he was dared to do it that's great it's like

I thought you loved me it's like I do it's become something else but then the other one is the sting goes all the way to like to marriage that no i wanted to go further like i would do it like it starts with them getting married and then there's like the next thing is a guy's 25th wedding anniversary the next one is like in the hospital dying with his wife he's been married to his entire life and the thing after that is like both of them buried in dead

strangely periodically there's a there's different men like doing, and they're all James O'Keefe. One day, they're like, the public man. Who still gets milk delivered? Shut up, honey. Just going to fix the cable here, and he's just positioning his jacket. He's literally setting up cameras. He's like, no, it's the cable. It's for the cable.

I'm fixing the cable. Dude, I'm not kidding. We should legit do it. Yeah, 108%. I will stay another day to film this. Let's like literally setting up cameras. Like, no, it's the cable. It's for the cable. I'm fixing the cable. Dude, I'm not kidding. We should legit do it. All right. Yeah, 108%. I will stay another day to film this. Yeah, let's do it. We'll see.

We got to have James fly out. So here's another story. This is more political. It's kind of crazy. It's Elon Musk again. Newsweek reports Elon Musk says he'll vote Republican for the first time in the next election. Elon Musk, one of us. What's it?

Google gobble? Google gobble, Elon Musk. If I see him shortly, I will tell him Google Gobble. Yes. Do you guys know that reference? It's from a really old movie. Freaks?

Yeah. Where the woman is like at the table and all the people are going, Google Gobble, they're playing on the table. One of us. So Elon Musk, he basically said,

I have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats historically. Like, I'm not sure. I might never have voted for a Republican, just to be clear. Now, this election, I will. Newsweek says, I'm not sure I might never have voted for Republican, just to be clear. Now this election, I will. Newsweek says they're not sure if it's the midterms of 2024 presidential election, which

is a weird thing to add considering he said the next election, which is literally the midterms, but sure, whatever. Elon Musk has continually been posting memes about either the left losing the middle, the left going too far left, or of him being like, yo, I'm a moderate and this doesn't speak to me and things like that it's it's interesting now i tweeted maybe the left should stop and reflect on why they're losing so many people they won't do it the responses i got or people saying like uh the ultra rich guy who doesn't want to pay taxes no of course he wants to be a republican that's why all the billionaires are constantly promoting right-wing policy.

But real quick, since 2012, as we've covered on this show extensively, Democrats have been the party of the wealthy. It's been reiterated in 2021 with more data showing higher income earners are aligned with the Democratic Party. Elon Musk just paid more taxes than anyone's ever paid in history. And why didn't he vote four years ago, Republican, when he was already still a billionaire? I've seen everyone from my broke jujitsu friends to people who have health podcasts over COVID, over Trump because of the Twitter wokeness, slowly go more and more to the right. You know, people wanted me to go sort of like full right wing actual grifter after my cancellation happened. And I didn't do it. And so when I talk about this stuff, I'm actually talking about it from the left.

I, as someone who is still fairly liberal, sees the left being pushed farther and farther away because it wasn't Republicans who were shutting down their businesses or gyms over COVID. It wasn't, you know, I have friends who they're professional athletes. And suddenly it was Donald Trump saying to go outside and exercise and Democrats saying, if you go for a walk, you're going to, you know, kill your aunt or whatever. All the wokeness, all my comedy friends who love Dave Chappelle. And even if they don't agree with everything Dave Chappelle says, suddenly it's the left trying to censor their favorite comedians who, you know, I mean, God, when I was watching Chappelle in New York, he was going after Bush, going after the war in Iraq, like talking about the war on drugs. Like he's always been a liberal dude. I'm watching these people go from

disenfranchised. I'm sick of the left. I guess I'm not really a Democrat. Maybe I'm independent to a lot of them just going, you know what? Conservatives are cooler right now. I'm disenfranchised. I'm sick of the left. I guess I'm not really a Democrat. Maybe I'm independent. To a lot of them just going, you know what? Conservatives are cooler right now. I'm just going to – I'm going to go. I did a show in Houston and there were these three little goth kids in the front row and they were tattooed and they were like 21 or something. And I asked them. I thought they were super liberal. I'm like, what's it like being liberal in Houston?

And they were like, no, F that, man. We're conservatives. And I was like, you look like undercover Antifa agents. Like, what is happening? You're like, yo, bro, watch this PragerU video. You're like, no, F that, man. We're conservatives. And I was like, you look like undercover Antifa agents. Like, what is happening? You're like, yo, bro, watch this PragerU video. You're like, what? You want to go do DMT and talk about the free market? Like, it was that.

And it's like, yeah, man, we are pushing these people away. Like, it has nothing to do with privilege or wealth. Like, I'm talking to normal people. I've lived in Arizona and Texas the last couple years, not in Brooklyn, not in Los Angeles. And yeah, and their grievances are valid. I don't know if that would make me full conservative, but the stuff that pushed them away, I don't disagree with. Are you sure? Are you sure the left is pushing them away or maybe Turning Point USA is just making really good memes?

That's it. I got to tell you. So it was six months ago that I was a hardcore socialist, authoritarian, you know, just absolutely. And I wore uniforms every day. And then Charlie Kirk smiled at me. And I was like a bolt of lightning.

Oh, my God. It was another James O'Keefe setup, dude. Why'd you let Charlie Cook smile at you like that? They got you. They got me. No, this is interesting because the left, in my opinion, has gone absolutely insane. And it's exemplified in a lot of ways.

One, I love playing this video from the Juice Media. It's an old video from 2010. I briefly thought you said from the Jew Media. And I was like, well, here we go. This is the episode. My last name is Kilstein. Everyone calm down. You're like, I'm coming here not to get canceled. All right, well, let's play it. Hit up the Jew media,

everybody. The Juice. They're actually like, they do produce a lot of progressive stuff today. But there's this guy, Hugo Ferrant. I'm probably pronouncing your name wrong, Hugo. He did a thing called Rap News. And Rap News 6 is about Cablegate with Julian Assange. In this guy, Hugo Ferrant. I'm probably pronouncing your name wrong, Hugo. He did a thing called Rap News. And Rap News 6 is about Cablegate with Julian Assange. In this video, they're effectively defending the release of the cables from WikiLeaks,

criticizing Hillary Clinton as the secretary, keeping secrets in the public, and threatening to prosecute Assange because Australia is in the American Empire and they control this stuff. Alex Jones is in it, screaming that the globalist, commie Nazi fascists are coming. Hell yeah. So that depiction of Jones is 10 years ago when he was like, the government is evil and they're trying to take over. Now they're claiming he is a Nazi.

He says in the end, they're trying to turn back the clock on freedom of speech. And so I'm like, if you praise Julian Assange, say that they're trying to turn back the clock on freedom of speech and so i'm like if you praise julian assange say that they're trying to turn back the clock on freedom of speech say hillary clinton is is bad or wrong and depict alex jones someone fighting nazis you are right wing but that video was progressive left in 2010 now of course you could say well that's just what happens conservatives you know people who are progressive eventually the whole society culture shifts left and i'm like no no no hold on there a minute that's that's just what happens. Conservatives, you know, people who are progressive, eventually the whole society culture shifts left. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. Hold on there a minute.

That's that's ridiculous, though. That's a great point. I remember, you know, in my super progressive days being like the Clintons are tied to Goldman, their corporate blah, blah, blah. Then Trump goes, they're tied to Goldman. And it's like, well, he hates women. Now, what Trump left out is like, well, he's also part of the swamp, right? Like, so is his team. Like, they're all corporate hacks. However, well, he's also part of the swamp, right? Like, so is his team. Like, they're all corporate hacks.

However, it was, it's also true. Like, I've been saying that about Clinton forever. Liberals have been saying that about Clinton forever. This is why I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I'm like, I don't buy it. I don't believe it. I don't care. In his first term, Trump does appoint, you know, I'll always just say Bolton, Warhawk

was one of the worst ideas. It was nuts. And he had to get rid of him and Bolton betrayed him. And there was there were several people that he brought on. But I quickly then saw that Trump was whatever he is outside of that establishment order. He was no new wars. He was pulling our troops out of the Middle East. And I was like, I'll take what I can get.

And if Biden's the other other choice, then, you know, then I'm going to I'm going to vote for Trump. So I feel like, I'll take what I can get. And if Biden's the other choice, then I'm going to vote for Trump. So I feel like Elon. I feel like, wow, I guess I'm going to vote for this guy. But even Vox.com said Trump was moderate. And I still – that was back in 2016. And I still was like, I'm not going to play this game. But now let's throw it back to what we had last night when Matt Binder was here, I'm traditionally, like my political position is that of like a 2012 liberal Democrat, you know, probably not, I wouldn't even call it moderate or centrist.

And the argument the left says is, if you have stayed the same place from where you were 10 years ago, then of course today you're conservative because the younger generation is more progressive. That's what happens. Like they say things like, yeah. And people from 1954 were like, this 1964 Civil Rights Act is too much change. I'm just a regular person from 1954.

And I'm like, eugenicists in the 1900s and 20s also thought they were the future. They were not. They were wrong. Just because you have ideas doesn't mean they're the future. You could be wrong. So I'll say this to the Elon thing. I thought it was absolutely fascinating that we had on a progressive who was arguing with me and my position is pro-choice and he was like we were so far apart

in our view on abortion that he was he believed i was conservative and shamus is the conservative pro-lifer dude i think you're the problem yeah Yeah, I'm the issue. I think he wanted you to be pro-life more than I want you to be pro-life. I agree. Like, the arguments were... Right, and you want to do it for babies. He wants to do it for Twitter. But no, it's funny because this is something you and I have argued about a number of times on the show, the abortion issue. And we've got heated before. issue. And we've got heated for it.

Yeah, we've got heated. Like Tim is not on the conservative side of the issue. Definitely not. It's the traditional liberal side. I'm glad that you guys make Lydia be quiet during the abortion show. I know. That's the only good thing about this show. No, she's – you know what?

It's just whose side she's on, bro. Oh, I know. I follow her on Twitter. I see it. Oh, yeah, he knows. He sees it all. And my old woke brain is like, I can't argue with her. She's a woman. That's right, Jamie. It's horrible. Yeah, that's when you pull the woke card. I see it. And my old woke brain is like, I can't argue with her. She's a woman.

It's horrible. Yeah, that's when you pull the woke card. Anytime someone tries to go after your pro-life, be like, my body, my choice. Yeah, I, you know, and the, not to be too earnest, but the bummer of that is when I'm talking to someone, I mean,

Lydia and I were talking about abortion, because that's how I small talk, before we went on air, like downstairs. So that abortion. Yeah, that's it. That's my first Tinder date as I'm speaking into someone's microphone, is when you have someone who is even moderately on your side, that is the time instead of looking to pick them apart for Twitter or whatever, that's the time to actually talk about compromise. So like Lydia and I were talking about, and me and

her are pretty far apart on this issue, but we were talking about things we agreed with, like things that kids should be taught, like access to contraceptions or sex ed or whatever. And if one side just goes, you want to kill women and the other side just goes, you want to kill babies. It's like, well, there's not a ton of middle ground there. But if you find someone who goes, I'm pro-life, but yeah, in the case of rape and incest, I'm torn. That's your opportunity to have a conversation with them. If you have someone who goes, I'm pro-choice, but having an abortion, like, man, like six months in, like that seems kind of rough, right? That's your chance for a pro-life person

to have a conversation. And then you guys are talking and then you can actually come up with some sort of, well, how do we stop unwanted pregnancies or how do we work on that? Because that's a solvable issue. Or, well, I think there's a couple of things, not necessarily just like stopping unwanted pregnancies like how do we find a home for for children whose mothers didn't did plan the

pregnancy and then also because one thing i would disagree with is so i don't believe in any exceptions but tim and i have conversations about it pretty frequently i do think the conversation can be open but there has to be a belief that you can reason with the person i think that's really important and we've kind of lost that. In some cases, it's warranted, unfortunately. Seamus has made some good points that even in the past month, my position's shifted. We call it the first trimester. So Seamus mentioned – I was thinking about this earlier.

You were talking about how abortion was the intentional killing of the baby, and this was like a month or two ago. And I was like, no, no, no, no. We're not talking about that. We're talking about if the term pregnancy has to be ended for some reason. And then you were saying, yes, and that abortion would mean killing the baby. And I said, that's not true. I was wrong. And then because just the other day, we pulled the CDC definition, which literally says an abortion is a termination of a pregnancy that does not result in a live birth.

Meaning if you would legalize abortion post viability due to the, uh, risk, uh, due, due to the pregnancy, causing a risk to the pregnant patient's health as the law read, you would be saying, terminate the pregnancy and not result in a live birth. Why do that when you can just, I know, I don't want to, I don't want to get into the issue. I want to just make the point that that was sort of like a realization for me. So anyway, I want to stick it back to the politics because otherwise we'll just talk about abortion forever. It was fascinating that Matt Bender is a modern leftist or progressive, whatever you want to call it. We used to be buddies. And he's arguing with me as though I'm not pro-choice because he said that he believes

a woman has the right to abort a baby at nine months electively for any reason. And that's what we saw with Eric Adams recently. Jen Psaki, I think before she left, said Joe Biden believes there should be no restrictions. We saw it with Northam. We saw it with Kathy Tran. I read the bill from Colorado, which outright says there – get this. The Colorado bill not only says there can be no restrictions. It says a fetus, embryo, or fertilized egg has no rights under state law.

It gets crazier and it goes back further than people realize. In the early 2000s, Obama, as a senator, voted against the Born Alive Act. Yep. Well, so, uh, well, would you, would you say that that is the extreme version, just like these things being floated right now about making miscarriages a crime or a birth control crime?

Like, would that be the extreme on the other end or would you not equate the two because babies, well, I don't know anyone who's saying a miscarriage should be a crime. I haven't heard anyone argue that. I think people will say that certain abortifacients should be, but I don't know that they're talking about birth control in general

or contraceptives in general. Got it. Yeah, and I think when we hear stuff like that, it's simple enough to just be like, Seamus, do you agree with that? I don't think – no, but part of the problem is – Part of that is like the framing bothers me because there's – I don't know anyone. I mean I know a lot of pro-life people. I don't know anyone who says like a miscarriage should be penalized.

So here's the way I see it. It's like, okay, let's try and have a conversation. If someone is convinced, like, I don't know. I saw this story. It said it was true. I'd be like, okay, let's try and have a conversation. If someone is convinced, like, I don't know, I saw this story. I said it was true. I'd be like, okay, well, I think that's wrong. We agree. Well, and then I can also go, oh, I don't know.

Yeah, I saw it on Twitter. Maybe it wasn't. You know what I mean? Like I was even ashamed on like a pro-life level. I was sort of ashamed that I didn't really – and again, I've never said I was an abortion expert. There are feminists and whatever that know a lot more than me. But there was a part of me when I started getting Republican friends and this – I just started rounding them up. And this came out.

I was so used to throwing out my pro-choice tweets. I had them locked and loaded, know the formula, blah, blah, blah. Call Ben Shapiro short, whatever it is. If an abortion is wrong then why is ben shapiro short explain that to be honest i don't actually have an answer to that question he doesn't have me there and so and then suddenly my feed for the first time in my life my twitter feed is like yeah well i guess i just want to kill babies and i was like which is like, yeah, well, I guess I just want to kill babies. And I was like, wait a second. I don't want to kill babies. And I literally realized that I never had researched. Like you were saying, Tim, like I don't know.

When does it feel? When does it – I actually did not know the answer. And I think, again, if people were willing to go, I don't know. Or if someone – if pro-life people instead of just we're so used to we have to defend our stuff. We're on Twitter. We're we're you know, we're on the news. We have to stick to our stick to our talking point. If you can take a second to go, man, like even you said, you're you're not for abortion in any cases.

But to take that second to go, dude, I don't know what it would be like to be a woman who was raped and to have to give that baby the term. And, yeah, we should talk about it. I'm not for it, but just I feel like neither side will show empathy. Yes, and that's what we need to do. And then we can disagree and then we can talk. But probably if we're both showing empathy, we can go, okay, this person is actually a decent human who you're doing what you think is right. If you think you're saving babies, then I must look like a monster, right? If I think I'm saving women,

vice versa. I got to disagree with you on this. The right is notorious for being memed as the debate me side, right? Ben Shapiro, why won't you debate me? Oh, right, right, right.

So if I make a YouTube video, there's the rule and the exceptions. If I make a video and I'm like, I believe, you know, conservative policy is, or I believe policy is wrong. Conservatives will comment and they'll make arguments at me. If I say policy is wrong and it goes against the left, they will call my advertisers. They'll start contacting, you know, various companies. I'll start getting angry emails. I'll get death threats. So when you say there's no empathy, Seamus and I can disagree on the issue every day. And we laugh together and we hang out together.

Oh, no, no. To be clear, I was saying both sides. Trust me. I've been canceled. I know the left does it. I was saying these conversations are important. The fact that you disagree and you can still make jokes about it, like that is what's important. And it's weird that –

What I'm saying, I disagree. It's not both sides. Oh, got it. It is the rule on the left and the exception on the right. The left will not tolerate deviance. The right might not, but typically will engage – is more likely to have a conversation with you. This is why we see the Elon Musk poll. This is why

Elon Musk feels the way he does. It's why so many people who watch this feel the way they do. I mean, I can't speak to your experience, but you look at... Not good. But people who are... You're on the left, and then all of a sudden, they destroy you, and then people on the right are sitting there drinking a beer like, you want a beer, dude?

Like, tell us what happened. Yeah, I mean, that is actually what happened. Yeah, I was going to say, you said you rounded up a bunch of right are sitting there drinking a beer like, you want a beer, dude? Like, tell us what happened. Yeah. I mean, that is actually what happened. Yeah, I was going to say, you said you rounded up a bunch of right-wing friends. I think they rounded you up. They're like a liberal who got canceled. Get over here. I was telling my friend the other day, if I wrote a book called From Feminist to Freedom Fighter, I would be a billionaire.

Just me holding the flag and a giant red pill. I would have so much money. You know, I'll write it at this point i've had enough of this good by the way this whiskey is very very good and so strong i take a sip and just my body is just lit for five minutes see he knows whiskey lauren doesn't she put that in a paper cup no no the only the only reason i'm not hammered is because they warned me about what lauren did and i was like that's why it's next to my giant water bottle. I'm sipping it very slowly.

Lauren just grabbed a $1,000 bottle of whiskey and was just pouring it into a paper cup and drinking it. And then I didn't realize it. And I looked over and I was like, Lauren, are you pouring the Pappy in the paper cup? And she's like, what's that? What's this? Let's be real.

It's kind of a flex. It's a little bit of a flex. Yeah, good for her. I'm like, this is like a special drink. I almost drank it out of a coffee mug me and lauren are trash people so so anyway look um well what you were saying is you know the lydia and i were talking about this too which is one of the weirdest things that happened was I could have made money and needed money and I didn't want to be a you know center right version of the pretentious liberal that I was because that's what got me in trouble it was being a self-righteous loud liberal then I have an affair and they go ha

ha ha you're not perfect you know that was the story any comic on stage who did what I did who talked about it um especially talked about it with like regret like yeah i wish i didn't do it it was awful um you know no one's getting in trouble for that but so you you this is what you got canceled over on the left yeah yeah and so but in the feminist world a consensual affair got called sexual misconduct consensual one-night stands got called predatory behavior and i was like it's insane remember aziz ansari yeah he had a bad date and she was like it was assault and he was like whoa yeah the woodward and bernstein reporting of babe.net is that the article you're talking about it was literally called babe.net there's like no fact checking i mean there was a line

in the jezebel article written about me where it said a girl, a girl that I slept with, sorry, a woman that I slept with literally in the article said something along the lines of it was the safest I felt with a man. Something saying that when I'm with women, I treat them well. And then said, but a week later he called me a road F on his podcast. And then Jezebel in parentheses said, Jezebel could not find that quote. And it's like,

right. Cause I'm not talking about smashing road poon on my feminist podcast with my wife, you psychopaths, but they still printed that. And that was enough. And that headline will still come up when people are looking for me. I mean,

I've had to have so many people don't think about what cancellations like lost tons of gigs. Still, this is eight years ago. I am a literally different man. Every relationship I've had, try explaining to elderly conservative parents of your girlfriend what the Me Too movement is or what an open relationship. Like there's just weird stuff that will haunt you always. But I do feel like if you're meeting your girlfriend's conservative parents for

the first time yeah and you want to explain to them cancellation you can be like a bunch of libs were lying about trying to cancel me and they'll be like we got you these feminists yeah i mean yeah yeah you know that is probably the move i should do conservatives not ask enough questions what do you mean i'm giving you a hard time because you're like yeah no i got canceled by a bunch of liberals they're like oh nice not like for what what happened no no no they're gonna say i get it yeah they're gonna say oh i know exactly what that is like let me bang your daughter and we'll drink these liberal tears together because if you're like if you google search me there's some bad things that come up they're gonna go but if you say a bunch of feminists got mad and started lying about me

they'll be like we hear you brother yeah they're gonna be like, we hear you, brother. Yeah. They're going to be like, you poor man. And then the father's going to be like, I approve of this relationship. You know what? That's my go-to excuse for anything I do wrong ever again. I'd be like, dude, a bunch of feminists lied about me. I don't know what that is. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

But we have a recording of you saying that. That was from a feminist recording. That's what that was. Even with my family, my mom's like, your brother said that you did this. I had a bunch of feminists lying about me. Don't even worry about it me don't even worry about it you're at a Trump rally and you fart and some woman

calls you out she's a feminist and they're like oh she's lying you didn't see Antifa run by fart and then jump into the bushes it was literally an Antifa super soldier so before the show you were asking me like if I had a moment where I moved or anything like that

and I was i was saying like i'm in i'm i'm in essentially the exact same place i've always been except for like gun control right because i was moderate on gun control now i'm basically two-way absolutist and i've even argued the constitution guarantees the right of an individual to have nuclear weapons you want to change it i'm not saying that it should it should be that way i'm saying people had cannons and and and frigates and privateers and all that stuff uh so for me i didn't i didn't change but the issue is conservatives didn't change either everybody changed a little bit everybody moved a little bit to the left actually you can you can look at data from the from the new york

times conservatives seem way cooler with like gay people right like trump unfurled an lgbt flag on stage like the RNC or something. Did he do it gaily, though? I don't know. That would have been the flex. But he made a point about how the guy who shot up the nightclub, he was like, he's killing our people. Right.

And they clapped for it. They were like, yes, that's wrong. And so there were a lot of changes that happened. Trump being okay with gay marriage was it was uh you know how a lot of people were like okay like this is this is this is you know obama and clinton weren't okay with it right right right it got passed because biden like slipped up on the view right or something like so so i'm watching this uh this video from rap news rap news number six and uh pro free speech pro julian assange and i'm like all of these positions right now, if you watch that, you'd be a Trump supporter.

And this was back during Occupy Wall Street. It was like pre-Occupy Wall Street. They actually, the Rap News guys, filmed at Occupy Wall Street. And I'm in the video as part of a group with Anonymous and we're like yelling stuff. Because when I found out that they were making the video, I saw it on their Facebook.

You started spitting bars. I know. I was like, let me in, let me in. Like, dude, I love this stuff. I want to to be in so i'm just like an extra in it yeah as we're all like chanting or whatever but if you follow them if you believed in what they believed back then you would be a trump supporter today right well i can't remember who made this point but it was one of our guests and they said do you think anyone who was in a coma for 10 years and then woke up today would go oh my gosh things have gotten so far to

the right like do you think they'd read the newspaper and see current events and go oh my goodness this country's so conservative now i i have uh i'll try and keep as much information you know private as possible but there are certain individuals of moderate um prominence who were let's just say uh indisposed for a few years during the Trump administration. And when they came out, they were politically homeless and confused because the left was not the left anymore. So I used to hang out with a ton of people in the hacker community back pre-Occupy Wall Street. Can they help out with my Google search if they're listening to this? I mean, yes, they can.

You guys, shoot me a DM, please. These are like reputation management firms these days and all this stuff. So my hacker friends were pro-free speech, pro-edgy comedy. They were very, very into super offensive internet posts, trolling, goatee stuff, shock content, lemon party, all those really awful things. Don't let your kids go. Look up. Don't do it.

Something happened. Tell the kids about it and then tell them don't look. So there are certain people who they'll pay the price oh i don't even know what certain hackers who end up going to prison yeah with a limited access to news and and and the internet culture yeah they come out and then all of a sudden they're like all right where's the left and they're like we don't like free speech anymore and they're like what and like all the things you used to say and do that we were friends with you for, if you do now, we will punish you. I mean, Luis J. Gomez, the Legion of Skanks guys, were called Proud Boys. Luis J. Gomez, who is Puerto Rican. They're some of the funniest comedians in the world.

And I did shows with them a couple weeks ago. And their audience is, if you just follow Twitter, you would assume it's an audience of Nazis. And their audience is diverse you just follow Twitter, you would assume it's an audience of Nazis and their audience is diverse. They are sweet. They just like good comedy. But now, yeah, your friends get out of jail. And Ben Shapiro is the only one defending Dave Chappelle, where the right has suddenly taken on Dave Chappelle. And the left is it's just, again, isolating and alienating comedy fans. Now, I will say on the other side,

and I think this doesn't have to do with left or right. It's just tribalism in general. I remember something that really disappointed me was I went on a bunch of right wing shows and I stayed liberal. You know, I went on Glenn Beck's. It was great. We disagreed with some stuff, but I got to talk about Palestine and Glenn Beck show. That's dope. And we mainly talked about tribalism and I did a bunch of other right wing shows. And again, you're a grifter. If I go on a right wing show and I start saying things I don't believe in for money, right? If I go on Glenn Beck's and I'm like, yeah, we can build a wall and it's just stuff I don't believe in, but I was still myself. So I get like hundreds of new followers and a bunch of people saying the equivalent of, I don't agree with you, but I like that you're trying to bring

people together, blah, blah, blah. Then George Floyd gets killed. And I start posting a bunch of don't kill black people. Nothing crazy. I don't preachy Jamie. Just don't kill black people. And which again, even Trump and Pence ended up saying that that was bad. Right. And I remember people even on my Instagram, which is usually less of a cesspool than Twitter, were like, oh, looks like feminist cuck. Jamie's back. Here we go with lib stuff. And the fact that I got canceled by some fake feminists implies that I have to be pro George Floyd being killed. Like, that's why I think tribalism is the problem. Absolutely.

You know what I mean? And right now the left is doing it worse than the right, but it still happens on both sides where don't, don't pretend you are above my politics and think I'm a good guy. And just while I can be used as a prop where you can just point to me and be like, oh, look at that guy. He's anti-woke. He got screwed over by whatever. I'm like, I don't want to used as a prop. Of course. Where you can just point to me and be like, oh, look at that guy. He's anti-woke. He got screwed over by whatever. I'm like,

I don't want to be anyone's prop. I can still have these thoughts that sometimes conservatives will disagree with, sometimes liberals will disagree with. That's why I think it's the rule for the left, the exception for the right

in terms of that animosity. The left is very tribal. If you deviate on one thing, boom, you're right wing. That's crazy. The right, you'll certainly have people, you know, people posted me and stuff all the time as well. But for the most part, you're they're not going to they might yell at you, but that's about it.

They're not going to call your boss. Yeah. Do you think a lot of it's just Twitter in general? Because when I meet liberal people at the gym or on a date or conservative people, I think actually more people than we think feel the exact same way we're talking. You just get the lunatics on both sides on Twitter. No, they're just trying to get into the audio because they work for Veritas. Damn it. I knew it.

Sorry, dude. But we met organically. No, no, no, no. The right-wing lunatics aren't on Twitter. They're all banned. That's actually a good point. You're seeing the sanitized conservative movement on Twitter, and you're seeing the fringe of the left on Twitter. They're all banned. That's actually a good point. You're seeing the sanitized conservative movement on Twitter. And you're seeing the fringe

of the left on Twitter. So this was bad for Democrats. And I warned about this like three, four years ago. I put it this way. You see two little boys with an adult woman and she's got two little boys with her. One's just drenched in dirt and chocolate and ice cream. And he's all

messy looking. The other kid is perfect and clean with a smile on his face. And from the outset, you say, okay, that kid is a disaster. He's messy, and that other kid is clean and responsible. But the reality is, the mother just doesn't let the clean kid have ice cream. So the kid who's allowed to have ice cream makes a mess, and the kid who isn't allowed to have it

doesn't have the opportunity to make a mess. When Twitter started suspending bad voices or voices they thought were bad on the right, they were making it so that the most prominent conservative people on Twitter were Ben Shapiro. A practical, logical, moderate conservative guy. Or I should say traditional conservative. And then the left is Antifa saying burn it down and threatening death so a regular person goes on and says oh that's a little too much yeah this this allows twitter allowing the left to say and do crazy things radicalizes people it generates

it charges up the engine but people on the right are like i don't want to get banned so i'm not going to say that right it's actually making people on the right try and dress up and get clean, and the left is running amok, smashing windows and looking stupid. Which is so funny, because whenever my argument for when people would equate the extremes on both sides, is I was like, oh, what, the left wants you to have too much health care or wants to end all the war? But yeah, when you start advocating violence, it's like, well, no, that's who we're talking about. Exactly. And so this is an argument that people on the far left are still making. So I saw this the other day when the far left was referred to.

There were all sorts of lefties going, oh, what does far left mean? They really want universal health care? And I was like, dude, the positions you're describing all apply to Tim Pool, but he's called far right. It's like, well, obviously, when we're talking about the far left, we're talking a lot about the social issues. Yeah, I mean, policy-wise, I think I would not compare universal health care to bombing Iraq and Afghanistan. But then again, you have Democrats who are also droning weddings. Every Democrat voted to fund one of the largest war packages in history with Ukraine. It's like, what, six times what anyone else in Europe has paid? We put in $54 billion.

Every Democrat, even the squad. what six times what anyone else in europe has paid we put in 54 billion dollars every democrat even the squad yeah so you know man that that is it's funny when we have a debate or argument with you know matt on abortion and i'm like this has never been a really big issue for me because for one i'm not a woman i'm not a legal moral or theological scholar i mean it's i i you know i had a conversation with glenn be Glenn Beck and ultimately I ended with like, man, I really just don't know. I just feel like there's a barrier for me and I can't really,

I don't know the answers. Such a good answer. Like that should be the answer of that. But war. This one's always been very clear cut for me. And I know a decent amount about what we do, why we do it, why we want to enforce the petrodollar.

I bring up all the time, the cutter turkey pipeline, gas problem, all this stuff. And I'm like, it is bad that we are doing these things. If you can go from being, you're like, I'm on the left. And I'm like, okay, and you're the anti-war party. And then you vote for Joe Biden. I'm going to look at you and say, huh? And then when Joe Biden's like, come on, man, give me the biggest war package in history.

You're like, okay. I'm like, he's folksy. Progressives are pro-war. Yeah. Progressives are pro-war. Liberals are pro-war. Democrats are pro-war. And half the Republicans

are pro-war. I mean, I discovered this. I got in a lot of trouble the one time and only time I went on the Conan O'Brien show because I talked all about drone strikes.

But I did not talk all about drone strikes, but I did not talk all about drone strikes under Bush. Bush is when I started talking about war, but Obama was still using drones. So it was under Obama and it was me and Kobe Bryant were the only other guests. So not exactly like my audience tuning in. And if you watch the clip, the clip's probably still on YouTube. It goes well with the audience but i was told it was the most complaints they've gotten and that's why my belief has always been just principles of a party that's it it's if you're anti-war be anti-war under bush be anti-war under obama yes be anti-war under trump be anti-war under biden it's that simple but the fact that there's such cognitive

dissonance and not only will suddenly they be pro-war but then they're just getting defensive and they're acting like you're a monster for criticizing biden or that susan sarandon's the reason roe v wade's being overturned it's absolute insanity i'm gonna i'm gonna cut them some slack and say maybe it's not Joe Biden. So maybe voting for him, it's not really the problem. I'm kidding, by the way, but now I'm going to reference this story from Fox Business. Elon Musk slams Biden. The real president is whoever controls the teleprompter.

Musk also warned that the U.S. ignores obvious cause of inflation. It could end up like Venezuela. And he went on to say that someone could bump the teleprompter and then Biden would just read it like Ron Burgundy. So what I'm going to say is we can't blame those who are supporting Joe Biden because Joe Biden isn't the president. Whoever controls the teleprompter is. But, well, if you put Joe Biden there and he is being directed by somebody else, then you voted for this. You voted for the war. Can we all talk about my favorite part of that story?

It was on Fox News before the war. Can we also talk about my favorite part of that story? It was on Fox News before the show, and the Fox News anchor had to essentially explain what the movie Anchorman was. He's like, it is a satirical line from a comedy movie where laughter ensues. Well, you know, the average – I think what's the average age of Fox News viewers? My grandma? Yeah, seriously. What's the Ron Burgundy? The Anchorman.

It's a comedy movie. Oh. Shout out to my grandma who sent me a happy birthday text. I did not have her saved in my phone. Oh, man. But we got toxic family stuff. Because I guess the whole show today is just like literally Elon Musk's daily business. Dude, he's just loving life right now.

Yeah. It's great, isn't it? Just... I gotta... Look. I gotta throw back to this one because while we're doing the show he responded to Benny Johnson

who tweeted about the guy saying wokeness cost them money and he made the like what is it like a depressed sad face yeah I'm just gonna say this the guy insulted him for having Asperger's I think James O'Keefe may have just saved Elon Musk like $10 billion.

I think so. Maybe $20 billion. These videos coming out right now, I believe, I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like it could give Elon Musk an actual legal argument as to negotiating a lower price or even having the contract be broken no fee. So if Elon breaks the Twitter buyout contract, he's got to pay a billion dollars. If Twitter breaks the contract, they got to pay him a billion dollars.

Oh, my God. With these videos coming out, Elon's clearly seen them both. He can probably go to court and say they did not disclose to me these things elon's kind of made twitter fun again yeah yes it's like almost like trump yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah man twitter was so fun under trump when it's like when people even i mean i was i was not a trump supporter i was still pretty progressive but if you are really going to look me in the eye and say when the democratic debate was going on and Trump just tweeted boring and all that, that wasn't the funniest thing in the world. You're a liar.

You are a liar. Well, I mean, covfefe. Yes. It's got its own Wikipedia entry. And it said despite the negative press covfefe. Yes. And I think they were right despite the negative press coverage, but then mashed it with their thumb and accidentally sent it. Or like put it in their pocket and it went off.

Wonderful. Something happened and we got the word covfefe. Just delightful. It was great. Who was it? Was it Michael Malice or am I misremembering who said something like, congratulations to all the former Trump reply guys who can be Elon Musk reply guys now? That's very funny. That sounds like a Malice thing, i don't know i don't know man i wonder if the elon musk deal will actually end up going through now yeah kind of crazy who knows he maybe he put project

veritas up to this so he could get out of it he's like there's a mess i don't want any part of it i was like don't say it so then in the skit james takes his mask off and it's elon the whole time yep yep yep no i think it's fascinating though um i wonder if it i mean clearly this email went out it looks like veritas targeted twitter employees recently you know it was the end of april beginning of may all this was going down. So it seems like Elon Musk might save billions of dollars thanks to the journalism of Project Veritas. Have you met O'Keefe? Yeah, we've had him on shows several times.

What's his deal? Chill dude? Yeah, chill dude. Fascinating. Loves musicals. Really? He does. Well, turns out I'll get along with him. What was the musical he did? Oklahoma. Stop it. He was like the main dude, wasn't he? I think he was just doing an undercover operation.

That's what it was. Because only leftists. Dude, anytime. That's the thing. Anytime he does anything that he could consider embarrassing, he's like, it was an operation. It was an operation. He just busts in after I got so excited and so gaily. It was like, he did?

Oklahoma? That's my favorite. They're like, busted. He's like, actually, a bunch of feminists were mad about me. They spread that rumor. It's not true. I was never in Oklahoma. That's my favorite. They're like busted. He's like, actually a bunch of feminists were mad about me. They spread that rumor. It's not true. I was never in Oklahoma. I love it.

No, James is great. Yeah. He loves to sing and dance. He loves Phil Collins. He's fantastic. All right. Well,

time to do some research on old James O'Keefe when I get home. Literally, the skit would be literally everything he does is a sting. So he's at like a supermarket and he's like looking shifty eyed as he like grabs a box of Lucky Charms and like puts it in his Why Lucky Charms? You know why It's because you left a box

of Lucky Charms in your I'm not going to lie I did leave a box of Lucky Charms It was sent by a fan It was sent by a fan It was sent by a fan to be fair So I wasn't opposed to it Elon Musk is criticizing Joe Biden and I wasn't opposed to it.

Elon Musk is criticizing Joe Biden. And I don't know what else to say other than he's – I want – Well, I was going to say something back to what you were asking me with the cancellation. And I also do wonder if Elon with the I'm going to vote Republican is either trolling because you don't know who you're voting for. There are horrible Republicans. Or there's also part where I remember when I did start to go on the right wing shows and, you know, five people on Twitter were like, oh, here we go. Here comes Grifter. He's going to go all Dave Rubin and become super conservative or whatever.

I agree. And for me, I didn't because – I mean I thought about it. I was like maybe I am conservative. And then I did watch a Ben Shapiro video and I was like, ah, damn it. I'm not. And – but then – But he did destroy you. He did.

You're like, I got destroyed. It's not for me. He was destroyed in the hallway. Do I have one? You were GOP curious? I was GOP curious. So you're like, turn the lights real low. You got under the covers. Do I have one? You were GOP curious? I was GOP curious, yeah. So you turned the lights real low, you got under the covers, you put on Ben Shapiro, and you're like... That's literally what I did.

I mean, the first time I heard Jordan Peterson, I thought he was just going to be screaming to kill trans people. And I was like, okay, my heart was racing. I was like, I'm going to watch the Rogan. And he was like, make your bed. And I was like, I should make my bed. He was like, I don't like large women on the covers. That's right. I forgot about that. I should make my bed. He was like, I don't like large women on the. But I also remember having this moment and maybe this sounds pathetic, but whatever. When I walked into some of those offices and having and this was, you know, I had girlfriends, but I hadn't really jumped back into a social circle.

I wasn't doing comedy. I was kind of doing jujitsu. But going into these offices and having everyone know me, hug me, not shame me, women, like hosts of the show, put their hands on my shoulder and be like, I'm sorry what happened to you, sweetie. I'm like, sorry what happened to me. But I'm the bad person. I'm the monster. There is something about when a pile on happens and then the other side is just kind to you. And sometimes with an agenda, but sometimes just because I know a lot of really nice conservatives.

I mean, I've had conservatives put me up when I was homeless and we agree on nothing. Whereas all of my Brooklyn woke friends didn't call. Are you telling me they don't care about the homeless? That's crazy. Or are you telling me you need a place to stay? You're trying to blackmail me here. They care about the homeless because they have to move them to gentrify the black parts of town to get more Starbucks and Macca cafes or whatever.

Occupy Wall Street. I was physically threatened numerous occasions. I was physically attacked three different times during marches or at the park. And then I see a bunch of Trump supporters, people with shields or even flags. I walk over and they're like, you want to grab a bite and talk? And it's just like, look, man, I don't have to agree with the conservatives, but if they're willing to sit down and have a burger and say, well, I disagree. Let's have a nice day. Right. The other side is like we brought crowbars. Right.

Well, I'll take it. i'll take it a step further when i went on it's called the real ass podcast lewis j gomez who from legion of skanks his podcast again he has been called a proud boy there was a gay comic on and the gay comic was like asked him about his use of the the f word the other f word and lewis was like look i've said it forever i've never said it towards a gay person. It's just the way I came up with comedy. But I tell young comics, you know, don't say it. I wouldn't say it. And most importantly, and I know Lewis very well, and this is I can vouch for this. He's like, if I ever saw a gay person being called that, I would step in and I would do something about it to the guy who's being homophobic whereas any one of my old lefty friends if they saw a gay person

getting beat up they would run away to the nearest starbucks to maybe tweet about yeah they would write a blog post about it for sure i was in portland proud boys were marching they planned march antifa decided to counter march and confront them the police had to separate the two groups the proud boys started marching proud boysoud Boys group was, you know, people of different races were there. I don't know. I think it was mostly white people probably. And we got to this point where all of a sudden

Antifa started yelling racial slurs at the black Proud Boy. Really? Yeah. And there's videos of Antifa yelling racial slurs at police. There's a black cop and they're yelling just racial slurs at him.

So they start yelling a racial slur at this black Proud Boy. And so he breaks from the crowd and starts going across the street. And they're yelling slurs. I think they're yelling the N-word. I think they're yelling uncle. I don't want to say it. I don't want to entertain it. But they were yelling the N-word and other words, the C-word, whatever.

He goes across the street another proud boy runs up to him and grabs him and says don't take the bait dude don't listen to them and then he grabs him and says don't let him don't let him make you hate man you're my brother we're here together man we love you we care about you and then they put their hands together it's like let's get to it let's let's let's stay focused and they and they brought him back in there's a video it was an ice protest and antifa's outside and they're just screaming the N-word at these black cops. Yikes. Yo, man.

Bad looks. Occupy Wall Street segregated people based on race. You're in the caucus voting system where they would be like, okay, everyone got a working group or a caucus. Your working group was the work you did. The caucus was your race or gender or identity or whatever. They had the black caucus, the Asian caucus, Latino caucus. Your working group was the work you did. The caucus was your race or gender or identity or whatever. They had the black caucus, the Asian caucus, Latino caucus. So you literally were voting on resources based on your racial group. Well, and I remember even with Ferguson and some of the Black Lives Matter protests, there were also black people stopping other – I mean a lot of times white BLm marchers from vandalizing or from and it should show you

that if you are on the right and think everyone who has marched for black lives matter is evil no there are really good people who would do the exact same thing if you think that there are proud boys who are all violent no there are people who will do the right thing and again if those voices were the ones that would be highlighted more instead of the fringes, we would actually probably agree on more than we think we would. We'll do a ridiculous segue and we'll talk about Dr. Peterson. I have been so excited about this. So I had to respond to Jordan Peterson.

The New York Post reports, sports illustrated swimsuit cover model critic Jordan Peterson quits Twitter after backlash. Bye for now. I told Lydia his away message should have just said no fatties. Right. For sure. So there's a New York Post posted this morbidly obese woman on the cover of Sports Illustrated. And Dr. Jordan Peterson said, sorry, not beautiful and no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that

I thought it was really funny I thought it was sweet and I think him deciding you know Jordan I think he's great I'm a big fan I think him deciding to get away from Twitter for a little bit is probably a good idea for sure Seamus put it well you said oh just about picking your battles choose your battles man there's something in that

I kind of feel like when you when you're swimming in the swamp for too long actually i'll is a better way to put it be careful uh when fighting monsters lest you become one for when you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes back peterson would know that and so when i saw this i kind of felt like are you calling fat people monsters just to be sure jordan peter you came here to cancel him where's the camera no i kind of feel like here here's here's the issue let me show you these photographs here's cosmo we've mentioned before this is healthy it's a morbidly obese woman here's another morbidly obese woman says this is healthy i i think these are awful i think these are dangerous i think they're wrong i think you should not encourage people to be unhealthy.

Obesity can cause cancer. There was a big row in the UK because there was an ad that was put up that said, I think it was like the number one cause or like number two cause of cancer or something. And it was obesity. You had to guess the letter. And people were like, this is fat shaming. So they also had the beach body ad of like beautiful women taken down or in place of fat women. I'm like, that I can understand when they're trying to encourage.

This is a cover of Sports Illustrated. They put a fat chick on it. My response was, yo, Dr. Peterson, some guys like fat chicks. Let them have their day. That was my favorite take, dude. But also it's like the fact that the argument went from don't sexually objectify women to like make sure you're more inclusive with your sexual objectification that's so strange that's literally where the left went like no the larger women should be objectified as well my favorite part of the day was after you tweeted that imagining

all my old liberal friends being like oh no do i be mad at tim pool or jordan peterson pick aside and just heads exploding everywhere. You know what's funny? It's how it works on Twitter is if they don't see the things I tweet unless someone screen grabs it. And the only reason they'll screen grab it is if they can mock it. Sure. So when there are tweets where I'm just like, yeah, some people like fat chicks. So funny.

Let them have their day. You know what I mean? I was just like, I'm not – look, encouraging it, saying it's healthy, partly. They're partly encouraging it. They're putting it on the cover of magazines. But I'm also just like, I'm not too concerned about them showing a morbidly obese woman on the cover of Sports Illustrated illustrated but i do have questions and so the one thing i would say is if jordan peterson criticized it appropriately i would i would be total agreement and we'd be talking about it what he said was authoritarian tolerance not beautiful it was yeah it was like it was like taking a sledgehammer to uh you know like a wood nail and then it was so easy because

then everyone just started posting sad pictures of Jordan Peterson and I was saying I mean he could have just maybe texted a slightly cuter member of the like intellectual dark web just shot Sam Harris and be like hey can you post this Sam's got dreamy eyes yeah I don't know I mean I agree with you on the health thing I when I taught jiu-jitsu um I've I've had a lot of people come to me because they were overweight and they were really sad about it and they were embarrassed about it. And I haven't talked about this publicly recently. I wrote about it like a decade ago. But I've struggled with binge eating.

I mean you would call it an eating disorder. If it was a woman, you would say I have an eating disorder. Food issues are hard, man. And at the times I've been overweight I've hated myself and I still have body dysmorphia even though I train every day and but what you're saying about health is so important number one if

you just quote unquote if you actually fat shame people not what the left say is fat shaming if you actually fat shame people that's not going to help them right if I see someone down the street I'm like hey fatty or whatever they're not going to be like oh I better get to a jujitsu class they're going to hate themselves more and by the way same with me but shamus would laugh and then high five you and that would feel really why are you why why are you making this about me he would never he'd be like

yeah what are you talking about what have i ever indicated that that would be my response to someone heckling a stranger the the craziest fat shaming story I have when I had the old progressive podcast, and I told this on a Rogan, I think, but it still horrifies me, is there's a dude who wrote in and he said his doctor said, yeah, same deal, morbidly obese, essentially said he's going to die. And he had kids and was like, I don't know what to do. So I wrote him an email. I sent him a bunch of healthy recipes. I found him a jiu-jitsu place. I actually emailed Tim Spriggs, who ran the jiu-jitsu school. I was like, oh, I remember that guy.

Six months later, eight months later, whatever it is, he writes into the show, and he goes, hey, dude, my doctor just said he's never seen such a quick turnaround before. My kids are so proud of me, and I'm entering my first white belt jujitsu. Now, Lydia, you're reacting like a normal human being, right? We got six to ten

emails the next day saying by reading that email we were fat shaming them. And that's when I go, and I was still in my most progressive, most woke. I was like, you would rather this dude die and orphan his kids than temporarily feel bad about yourself and maybe let that inspire you. I'm not saying if you don't do jiu-jitsu, you're a fatty. I'm not saying it's a totalitarian whatever.

Authoritarian. Don't do jiu-jitsu. Not beautiful. Seamus, you're a fatty unless you do jiu beautiful yeah but that's but hold on but can i ask you something would it be helpful if like you had a personal trainer who's like you are going to be an authoritarian like you need to lose the weight make this app the jordan peterson weight loss app yes we have that's another sketch we have another i said clean your room, not your plate. Oh my gosh, I love that. That's so good. Just a bunch of lobsters going shame, shame, shame, shame.

I love it. Can I just say before we move on? This was my red pill when I was 11 years old. I looked at the healthy at every size move and I was like, these ladies are not healthy. And I want to say there are two things here. One is subjective. That is beauty. You and everyone else is welcome to think that this lady is beautiful. She is. She's 100 she's solid lady chunky queen she is a chunky queen she is thick with three c's and i there's no problem with that i appreciate it however the

other is the objective and this is what i was seeing when i was 11 i was like dude these ladies are not healthy this is not good this lady is not athletic i'm not sure why she's on the cover of sports illustrated i don't think she plays a sport other than i don't know hot dog This is not good. This lady is not athletic. I'm not sure why she's on the cover of Sports Illustrated. I don't think she plays a sport other than, I don't know. Hot dog eating contest. Hot dog eating contest. Yes, thank you, too. I tried to do it straight.

The eye contact you two made before that line came out was beautiful. I was like, I know what sport she plays. I couldn't do it, though. But anyway, it's like she's not healthy, and I know this isn't going to be good for her down the line. Now, Tess Holliday really troubles me because she's literally like – Tim is just cracking up. I'm just imagining Sports Illustrated doing like the 12th annual hot dog eating contest. I see it. No, don't predict the future.

Stop this. Stop this. It's not okay. Tess Holliday is like 400 pounds. She's like, I'm so proud of myself. I'm so healthy. I'm like, B, word. No, you're not.

You absolutely aren't. This is not healthy. I don't want anyone to hate themselves right like i don't it's sad it's sad to think of someone hating themselves because they're fat and there are a lot of people i'm sure even listening to this show who spiral about that but it's and but it's it's worse to hate yourself so much that you end up in denial and you're it's the same as when you tell your friends hey i'm gonna quit drinking because you have a drinking problem and your other friends are drinking problems you're like well is your problem that you're a little bitch and they're trying to get

you to keep drinking it's like bro if i'm an alcoholic and you are pushing me to do it so you can feel better about you know drinking on the weekends because you don't want to see your wife and little spite kids then it's like that's on you like that's messed up yeah i'm i'm legit thinking that the future of sports illustrated is going to be a whole bunch of's messed up yeah i'm i'm legit thinking that the future of sports illustrated is going to be a whole bunch of really messed up stuff yeah it's yeah because like angrily tweeting oh my god well we know because have you ever seen what's that what's that uh morbidly obese clothing store like they have mannequins that are morbidly obese oh interesting and they just tie five other mannequins together i Pretty much. I don't know.

I don't know if we can get trouble on YouTube for saying that. Anyway. No, but I'm like – Mannequin shaming? There's a conspiracy theory. You know the Dove Real Beauty campaign? Yeah. Do you know who owns Dove? What's the parent company of Dove?

No. It's Unilever. Oh, no. Unilever owns another brand. Oh, no. Ben & Jerry's. Oh, no. Unilever owns another brand. Oh, no. Ben & Jerry's. Oh, boy.

So there was a conspiracy theory that they were, you know, at a higher level, we're looking at, like, we want women to eat more ice cream. I was wondering why the woman in the shower using Dove was eating Cherry Garcia. So I'm pretty sure there's, like, a meme about it. But, I mean, it makes sense. If you're in a business and you're like, we want to sell soap to women and we also want to sell ice cream, but all these super thin models are making people not want to buy ice cream. Put the fat women in the soap commercial and the women will be like, that's like me, and they'll eat ice cream. And then Sports Illustrated will have ice cream eating contests in their magazine. What I mean is if the average woman is obese, then Sports Illustrated is going to start putting more and more obese women on the cover.

So with the body positivity thing, I want to sort of piggyback on something Lydia said. I actually – I don't agree with the idea that beauty is subjective. I do believe it's subjective. There are some elements of our, like, experience of it which is subjective. Stop hitting on me. I know. is subjective stop hitting on me i know well but my problem is that you know what the body positivity could have been effect movement could have been effective at is saying something like look not everyone is physically beautiful in the same way but just because someone isn't beautiful

doesn't give you the right to treat them poorly because a person's value is not limited to their physical appearance. And someone shouldn't be treated poorly because they don't look good. And so instead they decided to say, actually, everyone looks good. And what did that do? That solidified this idea that actually appearance is what gives you your value. Because if we tell you you don't look good, then we are telling you you're worthless because that's what we believe. So we just have to, instead of challenging our understanding of what beauty means, we have to say, no, no, no,

everyone's beautiful. That way we can say everyone means something. Instead of acknowledging that beauty is not the only metric of a person's value. A quick fact check. We have here the Dove Real Beauty Campaign, which was average to obese women, and I think they even had

some amputees. Ben and Jerry's parent, Unilever. Dove, owner, Unilever. Conspiracy confirmed. Oh boy, it's happening. What I was going to say, I love what you just said. And also the times, even

when I've been struggling, whether it's with depression, suicidal ideation, binge eating, whatever it is, the times where someone actually made me feel good about myself is when I would lock in and want to double down. Yes. The times where I would just go, you know what? I'm a fat piece of garbage. Well, then what does a fat piece of garbage do? He certainly doesn't train the next day.

He feels bad. He's got to fill the sad hole in his heart. So he starts eating more food. Or you just go, well, this is what everyone thinks I am anyway, right? So Sports Illustrated, you actually have this opportunity to do something like what you said. But then also write an article about, hey, you don't think you're an athlete? Have you tried these kind of sports? Have you tried skateboarding?

Have you tried jiu-jitsu? Have you tried something? I failed gym class. Literally failed gym class in high school. I'll tell you how. You get stoned every day and pretend you don't have your shorts. And then I found jiu-jitsu at 17 and I was like, I always wanted to learn how to fight because I grew up watching cheesy martial arts movies

and I fell in love with jiu-jitsu and accidentally became an athlete because I found something I loved. You can help people. You said you felt so much better. Did you give up sugar cut out cut out uh bread and sugar yeah and like i want to ask you advice about that after the show but it's because i'm feeling good about myself a heaping spoonful of almond flour a heaping spoonful of walnut flour one egg yeah mix it up microwave for one minute boom you got a keto biscuit

then i cut it and i put cheese egg and bacon on it and that's breakfast oh my god that sounds really good yeah yeah all right you know i think i think the issue is when you're younger you need a bit more food especially if you're athletic yeah for me one of the issues was i used to eat like 8 000 calories per day because i would skate for eight hours a day yeah and so it was just a machine when i got older and started skating less and doing you know news and stuff more i still had the habits of eating big meals and then I gained weight from it. Right, right, right. So now I'm like – I still skate a lot, but it's remarkable that in the past – yo, bro, it's remarkable how little I eat relative to what I was eating last year.

Yeah. It's crazy. And you probably feel great that's the thing when i'm eating unhealthy sure i could say you know i love my beer good i love my whatever but i don't feel well and i get depressed and i sleep later which means i don't go to the gym and the times where i'm training and the times where i'm eating healthy i feel good And you want people to feel good. And again, it's, you don't have to say not beautiful, but man, you can also encourage people to be healthy because you want them to feel good. You don't want them to be depressed. The times I'm eating like crap,

the times I'm overweight, it absolutely ties into my depression. It's horrible. Yes. Yeah. Well, and no one really openly says this, right? They'll just apply this principle to different categories all the time and hope you don't notice. But there's this weird pervasive idea that like everyone is equal in every single way. So no one's smarter than anyone else. No one's more beautiful than anyone else. No one's stronger than anyone else. And it's just not true.

It's just not true. Now, again, what we should be promoting, and this is certainly what I believe, is that, you know, humans are made in the image and likeness of God. Every single person has unfathomable value. But instead, because we have limited people's value to what they bring to us instead of what they are solely without seeing them as full persons, order to compensate for that we have to say okay well yeah people really are just their physical makeup and they don't have any intrinsic value besides these specific things we decide to assign value to but they're all equal in those categories so it's fine i'm not caught up in the news who's this godfella well that was my old godless left so for those in the chat that are getting triggered by my eating 8,000 calories comment,

I was exaggerating. A little hyperbolic. Yeah, I was saying like I'm eating an exorbitant amount. How are you not dead? I'm literally eating eight pizzas. But no, but I will tell you, it's like not every day, but days before and sometimes after, it would be excess of 3,000 calories. And like, yo, guys.

Oh, if I train twice a day, I'm murdering food all day. So breakfast with like meat, potatoes, eggs, toast, you're looking at like 800 with a glass of orange juice or 1,000. Then you've got lunch, which was a couple of sandwiches, and look at another 6, 700. For dinner, you get Panda Express, double orange chicken with a big thing of rice. It's like three to 5,000, depending on what you're eating. Some days we'd get like, we get Panda Express three times.

Yeah. Seriously, skating for eight hours a day, drenched in sweat. Like, I'm not kidding, man. No, a lot of my pro athlete friends can eat garbage. Like there's a Jiu Jitsu fighter who is famous for trying to get a Panda Express sponsorship and there's there's another one who only eats in and out and five guys and stuff and they look great and ripped and shredded but they're i'm sure the inside of their body is dying which by the way it's you could put that dude on the cover of sports illustrated and it'd look great there's like the whole skinny fat thing but again he will be dead at 40 yeah and that's why it was

a red pill for me i was like they clearly don't care about women because it looks to me like they actually want them to die young. You can't tell me that you want these women to see their grandchildren. It looks like you don't even want them to live past 40. I got to say, I think it was Bill Maher who said this, but you don't see fat 90-year-olds. And it's not to be mean, but it's true. It's very sad. It's very sad, but it's true. You don't.

It's like, well, if you care about people and you want to help them live longer lives, you should try to encourage them. And like you pointed out, in a healthy way. Don't be a jerk about it. Don't shame them. But you should still try to encourage them to get healthy. Yeah. Yeah.

No, one of my friends just hit me up today about starting jujitsu, and he's a big dude. And I wasn't just like, oh, thank God, Fatty. What, is your wife not doing you anymore i just literally without saying it you know i left him a voice memo on instagram i was like hey you're coming in with me i'll take you into class i'll make sure you don't have to pay let me make you feel comfortable blah blah blah and i just told him i told him i wasn't athletic and jujitsu is what made all the stuff i said to you guys and it's like i'm so hyped to help this dude and you know a lot of

people who are overweight they just kind of silently suffer and they hate themselves and they feel and again I've been there on a million different levels um and I don't think this stuff is helping them again I think the sports illustrated thing is harmless but I think all that stuff that said like healthy is just like liable yeah right i think there's there's some harm in the sports illustrated thing i just think you know dr peterson went a little too far like yeah i don't understand that hold back a little bit you know like i would i would put lol and be like no thank you or something yeah lol no thank you even that though would be like kind of a that would be kind of a wild tweet to see from jordan peterson i was like oh no thank you

that would have been incredible to you jordan he tweeted that he's like had his staff change his password he's getting away from temptation getting off twitter because it's toxic and the barrage of insults and i'm just i just i'm confused by that um i got i get it for some people having just millions of people tweeting hateful things at you you know some people can't handle that. He's very sensitive. Tim loves it. He's like, are you kidding?

I'm trending right now. I've been trending for like four days straight. And you know what I do? I post the Elmo fire emoji. You're like, say my name. This is what I need to learn from you. I almost asked you this when we were hanging out earlier, but I wanted to save it for the show. Yeah, because so I had John Cleese on my podcast like a month or two ago from Monty Python, blah, blah, blah.

And he's been canceled a bunch this year. And he told me he doesn't know why. And he's like, I don't look. Someone says, hey, you're trending on Twitter. And he goes, all right, I don't care. And then he goes and he lives with his Monty Python money and lives a happy life life right what i think one of my problems was that i couldn't take it mentally like i was suicidal i did disappear and stuff like that and so now that i'm sort of just diving into comedy and in comedy you don't really care as much and you can make things jokes and that's all that matters because

my problem too was i was i was just niche famous enough to get canceled but like not famous enough to have a savings account or like a pool and so you know i see like john cleese and i go well yeah you don't have to look at twitter but i gotta get booked at the chuckle hut in kansas city and have a you know creepy anonymous twitter account like dming their gm and so but i also think that part of the reason you blew up was that not caring and by you not caring you were establishing your loyal fans which i didn't do i just like peaced out because i thought i was so gonna die i i come from the internet era of you like trolling to like you go on forums and you post things to get attention right so when i see the people that

all called me cucks. I'll see like – you know, Vosh trends a whole lot as well. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like I'll see – he'll be tweeting like 1,400. I'll be like, those are rookie numbers. You got to get those numbers up, Vosh. But he had a funny tweet too.

He said – I forgot what he said, but he said, I have – I'm going to paraphrase, but something like I have stared to the eyes of the beast and nothing scares me more than this monster. And it was a screen grab of Vosh trending. That was a good one. You know, look, criticize the guy and all that stuff. I thought that was a funny tweet. That was very funny. But yeah, when I see like Tim Pool trending and I'm like, why is it so low?

Come on, man. It was like 3,900 just a little bit ago. So what about when you were – If you hate me, get those numbers up, baby. Well, what about when you were like coming up dealing with the hate or when you didn't have as strong a network? I mean the truth is I literally just never cared. You just didn't care. So like when we started –

I care so much, guys. No, but look. When we started doing this show, we were getting like, I don't know, shy of 1,000 concurrence or something. I don't care. I wanted to do the show because I was bored. It's like I want to do it. Right. and then people say nasty things about you and they criticize you and you're just like oh i guess man i grew up on the internet people say nasty things all the time you also always had because i realized one of the reasons that i'm so confident right now

is because of this i have a solid community for the first time in my life in texas in jujitsu in comedy where i have my favorite comics are my friends even just doing this with you guys i'm like okay cool i have like new friends now um my jujitsu community if people say untrue things about me in jujitsu unlike my old friends who were like well i can't tweet about jamie i don't want to lose my free internship at the nation it's like these jujitsu guys, they don't care at all. They're like, yo, we will go to war for you. Do you need us to go to war for you? Do you need my lawyer? I will give you my lawyer.

Like literally doing things like that. Real community. That's what I was going to say is I wonder if even when you didn't have huge fans, you had your crew and whereas I didn't have anybody. No, I have no crew. I mean like I go, I show up occupied by myself and for the most part you know half the people got beat with me half don't and i'm just like i'm doing my thing and you just didn't care yeah i don't care i never cared i mean uh i i care about like i care about freedom personal responsibility i care about truth i care about okay so what about when people say

stuff that isn't true because that'll happen to me sometimes where i'll post something and someone just writes you were accused of sexual assault and i want to just go no i wasn't because i wasn't but i also don't want to address it and that qualifies me i agree i mean it's it's annoying but then there's also like someone with 100 followers will say something that's not true and i'm like okay i could respond to them and try and convince one person or i can do my show and convince a million. Right. So I'm just going to keep doing my thing. Just getting bigger and getting bigger.

We got to go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Head over to TimCast.com. We're going to have a members-only segment probably talking about the apocalypse and $10 gas. So, again, TimCast.com. That will be up around 11. Let's read. All right.

Let's see. Woot Do For You said, fact check. The Twitter engineer said he worked four hours last quarter, not per week. Let's read. Alright, let's see. Woot, due for you, said fact check. The Twitter engineer said he worked four hours last quarter, not per week. Holy moly. Whoa. So it's even worse. That's horrible. Alright. We were doing that due to solid. We were trying to cover for him.

It's four hours a week. It's a lot. This is Shame Train. Tim and crew, how long do you predict until the U..s completely fractures and things get truly violent to keep being you some people were chatting that vosh was saying the leftists need to get armed or something but i don't know if that's true because i didn't see it i just saw it in the chat also none of us know how to shoot guns so it's fine we're all just going to accidentally like friendly fire each other oh my god you uh i actually started training

with tim kennedy and those and the sheepdog guys in Austin. That's what switched my gun views. But who was we in that one? Oh, me. Oh, him? Oh, I don't know. I don't know what part of me. No, you're like, we don't know how to shoot guns.

Oh, I just meant like the – oh, I guess. He's a radical far lefty and he's a super soldier. I still call myself liberal, I guess. I got really great basic pointers and we've been to the range quite a bit and we have property where we can shoot. We have tons of guns now. Far from an expert or anybody deeply involved in any kind of gun culture, but I've been to the range, and pretty good. I will say I find long guns to be relatively easy with simple training practice.

I've only shot a pistol. Hand guns, I'm not that good. Yeah. You have to train though that was the first reason i wanted to train and i hit up tim is one i wanted to be hey i was a really anti-gun guy and i think it would be cool to learn from you and also talk to those guys about what they think reasonable gun control is or what you should do for mass shootings or whatever and i had some of the the most open minded conversations I've ever had, which have definitely switched my views on guns. But I remember Tim came to me after the seminar and he was like, hey, I want to get more women,

people of color, LGBT people here to train, to learn how to defend themselves. I don't want it just to be like white militia, Tim Kennedy fanboys. And I was literally like, you are doing more for people than any of my old liberal friends. I posted a picture of a gun on a trans flag. And then I said, you can't tell me that with a straight face. Yeah, I said, trans gun rights are human rights. I love it. And I said, I think black trans women should have 50 BMGs

mounted on their rooftops if they so desire. Yes. And they should be able to carry AR-15s to protect themselves from white supremacist bigots who would do them harm.

That's right. And the trans people filed takedowns against me and got it removed from Twitter. That's insane. Yeah. Oh, I should say the left, I don't know exactly who did it.

That's true. But it wasn't my photo, that's why. So they filed a claim against me and then Twitter deleted it and I was like, they don't want me who did it. It's true. But it wasn't my photo. That's why. So they filed a claim against me and then Twitter deleted it. And I was like, they don't want me agreeing with them. Okay. They were like – they kept saying it was a joke.

And then I was like, what's a joke about me? There was someone who was like – Just because it's hilariously worded does not mean it's a joke. I thought it was legitimately worded. I still think it's very funny. You know, so I – somebody commented like, you talk big game about guns, but the moment black people get guns, where are you then? And then I said, I think the Black Panthers should be armed to the effing teeth. Yeah.

Dude, also, they just make things up. They create imaginary scenarios in their head, and they're like, what would you say then? It's like the thing that's consistent with my principles, because I don't just hate whatever group you've assumed I've hated to smear me. Right, yeah. principles because I don't just hate whatever group you've assumed I've hated to smear me. Right. Yeah. Killer Mike from Run the Jewels was the first person that made me think about my stance on guns. Yeah. He's great.

All right. Let's read some more. We got Boof. Good name. He says, can't wait for the Republicans to regain control so they can continue to do absolutely nothing. Yeah. Well, go and vote in your primaries and make sure the people who are winning are people

who will do things. I saw Rand Paul won his primary. Yes. Of course he did. Yeah, of course. Mary Diaz says, I promised I wouldn't sign up for another subscription, but Seamus is amazing, so I've got to. Also, Tim, do you need someone for HR? I'm working on my certifications, but I am young and a hard

worker. Love the show. We may be getting to that point because we're relatively small, but we're growing. Yeah. Maybe HR would not let you say we're relatively small, but we're growing. Yeah. Maybe – I don't know. HR would not let you say we're small and growing, by the way. That's inappropriate. Yeah, that's a little – yeah, not a lot. We're actually – we're a show.

We're not a growth. There we go. There we go. It looks like we're a big company. Good stuff. Great work, everyone. By the way, thank you so much for the compliment, Mary. That was awesome.

That was very kind. That was very sweet. Ian Kinney said, Tim, all your button-ups dirty. Did you see John Rich's retweet that Elon replied to? He did. I didn't see that. Which one was that? I don't know.

No, I just wore a teal shirt today. Tim, we were both getting lit up about our shirts in the chat. Oh, really? People were like, look, the shame is blends in. I got my camouflage today, man. I was hoping I could hide. So I was skating, and I fell, and I whacked my arm really bad. And so then I just sat down.

I was like, I'm exhausted. And then normally I'll go and I'll get ready for the show. This time I'm just like greasy, sweaty, and stinky. And he's like, I just didn't care. So whatever. You're like, the guest is a canceled comedian. We're fine. Yeah, like offend this guy.

Is that James O'Keefe? I'd be wearing a suit offend this guy. Is that James O'Keefe? I'd be wearing a suit. No, honestly, it might be James O'Keefe. Yeah, I know. Where's the camera? Oh, yeah, that's right. Sounds like James.

No, no, no. Sounds like something James would say is that I'm not James O'Keefe. All right, let's grab some more superchats. People mentioning the new Veritas posts.

Paul Jones says, MB was super cringe. Guy is banality of evil incarnate. Couldn't hold a consistent position. Paul Jones says, MB was super cringe. Guy is banality of evil incarnate. Couldn't hold a consistent position. Intellectually bankrupt. It was indeed like speaking to a brick wall. You and Seamus had did good. Had did.

I thought Matt was a cool guy. He was a nice guy. We hung out before and after the show. When it got into politics, I felt confused because I didn't understand what his principles were. When it got into politics, I felt confused because I didn't understand what his principles were. I understood his platitudes,

like when he said, conservatives think trans people don't exist. But when I asked him, what does that mean? Like, what idea are you trying to convey? He couldn't say anything. It just didn't mean anything. I still have no idea what they mean

when they say conservatives think trans people don't exist. Like, Ben Shapiro walks into Blair White and then he goes, where did you go? We're friends with Blair. He's gone. Yeah think trans people don't exist like ben shapiro walks into blair white and then he goes where did you go we're friends yeah i just don't understand what they're trying to say and they don't clarify either i would like to say i think trans people exist i think they do too yeah yeah yeah i've been misled yeah what is what is are they trying to say something like you don't respect them? You don't believe. Yeah, I don't know. Then say that. Right, exactly. It's not true. But when I say, what idea are you trying to convey? And they say, I'm like, well, if you can't explain it.

All right. Bobcat says, if she's a 10 and you're a 2, she's James O'Keefe. That is what everybody in Twitter needs to walk around with. That's what the Tweet memo should be. Tweet, yeah. Tweet, yeah. It should have said, guys, you're not that attractive yeah she's not that she's james o'keefe they're like we specifically hire people who don't look good enough to believe they could be getting a date with someone that attractive you're not hot stop spilling company intel but

i really just love that they emailed the guy and he's showing it off that was that was incredible yeah we have to that was a cartoon that was actually a cartoon he's showing it off that was that was incredible yeah that was a cartoon that was actually a cartoon he's like the veritas person's like what's this project veritas you know what you know you know funny if then the veritas guy uh the guy who's filming he says aha i am veritas but then the guy he's filming goes i was james o'keefe the whole time and they're both there wait a second Why did we do this? I don't know, man. Want a drink?

Yeah. Everyone is James O'Keefe. But then Veritas puts together like a hit piece on Veritas, like Project Veritas. On a Project Veritas agent doing this. You know what would be another funny skit is a person working at Twitter who is paranoid and thinks everyone is James O'Keefe. And so he grabs an old woman and is like pulling on her hair, like, take the wig off. I know that's you, O'Keefe and so he like he grabs he grabs an old woman is like pulling on her hair like take the way that's you O'Keefe yeah so let's ad lib

all of these we should do a bunch of these for sure yep or 120 minute long one all right Sam Whiter says I sent this chat yesterday but gladly send it again since yesterday's show was amazing when I was watching your segment about Disney I thought about the South Park episode about the pedo group Nambla.

Yeah. The North American Marlon Brando lookalikes. That's what Marlon Brando looks like. Make 1984 Fiction Again says, since you didn't get this yesterday, I'll try again. There is no such thing as a viability argument. There is no such thing as

a baby viable as a baby viable in or out of the womb until three years old that's generous but i i understand that point but the idea being conveyed is there's a point at which the baby doesn't need to rely on the blood of the mother like it can it can be sustained through technology uh that's why i asked that question i can't remember who i asked but like if a baby from day one can moment of conception could be taken out in place in an artificial womb should that be required for any abortion like if you don't have to kill it why kill it you know what i mean i think i think the issue is oh yeah i think the issue is that a lot of abortions are due to financial issues and so it's like the intentional

killing of the baby because they they're like well i can't afford it so when i brought that up to matt the other day i said well what about a man who also can't afford it can he choose to have a responsibility he said no then i'm like okay well i don't know how you have the argument that a woman who can't afford the baby can't abort it but the man who can't afford the baby has no choice and has to go to jail for being a deadbeat. You got to be consistent, man. I'm trying to figure out what your positions are for these guys. Many strange quarks, says Seamus. Please make a tune of James O'Keefe in drag on a sting. That would be hilarious. All of you at the Castle Rock, Chicken City forever. Well, I'm sure you have been pleasantly surprised by all the O'Keefe skits we've been coming up with here.

So we maybe get something along those lines. If you do it, it has to be a musical parody. It has to be to like a Hamilton or Oklahoma for James O'Keefe. Like give it a – yeah, it has to be that. Oh, that's awesome. I like the wedding one. The wedding one? I just want someone to go through their whole life and at the very end of their life their spouse was doing a hit no the child they had with their spouse was doing an o'keefe hit piece the whole thing was set up all right you're like dude james o'keefe puts a liberal like in the

truman show he like raises a liberal from birth in the truman show and watches everything they do and just live streams it he's like this is who they are this is how they think this proves it this proves how liberals are he's he's proving the point that a liberal from birth would retain so he's like we've kidnapped the child of a liberal family now we're raising it in isolated space to see what behaviors it has to prove whether or not liberals are inherently liberal. All right. Iggy the Incubus says, hey, yo, Tim, as many times as your streams have gone down, all of a sudden, are you sure it's not actual malice from the overlords at YouTube at this

point? Oh, I think it is. I mean, we did a segment where he who shall not be named was named, and then the stream goes down halfway through. Yeah. Sus. A little bit. There was a stream that went down, but Chicken City, which is streaming through the same network was live so we had chicken city outside they're

streaming from the same network how does that happen how does that happen okay we'll get some more morgan h says james o'keefe oh j that guy. Very nice. Firesky says, very nice shirt, Tim. Also, please do that skit. All the skits. Yeah. Every single one. I mean, I would love to actually have James come down to be in a skit. He has to.

That would be so good. It would be hilarious. Let me message his people. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Let's see what I can do.

Take the wig off and it's James. Or it could just be James in the suit, in a full suit, but also wearing a really awful wig. And the guys are like, what's up, girl? Hey, you want to hear about my Twitter hijinks? Yeah. You want to hear about some corporate malfeasance, girl? I know I've only just met you, but let me give you this ledger of every illegal thing I've done. I wouldn't do this if we didn't meet organically.

That's right. All right. Seriously, JK says, Seamus, the undercover dude knew his audience perfectly. That being the tweet. He played directly to him because he knew he could while mocking him at the same time. It was actually brilliant improv, in my opinion.

I don't think that guy knew it was Veritas. I don't know. The whole exchange is so bizarre. It's so hysterical. He seemed a dry tipsy yeah so maybe i mean neo reaper says instead of punked you get okieft seamus get on it oh my gosh it's like actually you weren't on a day you confessed to criminal activity and they're like ah you got him dude there's so many good ones write them down with this with this guy like i'm still stuck on what is this project burritos like that's something that's something someone in a fake mustache says

i know well that was the gay one he could have had a fake mustache yeah yeah they all do even like the beautiful women are wearing fake mustaches they're like the glasses with the big nose so like the glasses with just like a giant camera protruding all those as o'keefe sends 100s the entire bar was o'keefe oh he sends hundreds the entire bar was o'keefe oh my god oh my gosh they'd be stuck. Yeah, he calls them. Cardboard cutouts. They fall over. Dude, they could be that. The whole bar is cardboard. Yeah, the whole thing falls over. Dude, he could literally put a cardboard cutout on a remote control car that had a camera attached to it, and these people would spill their secrets to it if he followed them around

long enough. I'll tell you. So hold on. So the guy who gets stung by Veritas, he's dating a girl, and then he pulls the wig off. It's O'Keefe. And he's like, it's too late. You've said everything. he becomes paranoid so then he goes to work and then someone at the office is talking to him and he's like i i admitted everything and then all of a sudden he's like

wait a minute and then he pulls the wig off and it's james again yeah that's freaking out so then he goes to therapy and he's sitting on the bed and the doctors and the therapist is like tell me what it's like at your job and he's like like, well, what's been happening is wait, wait a minute. No, no, it can't be. And then he pulls the wig off of the therapist is James O'Keefe. No, no. But the solution or the resolution is the, you know, entire world is turned against him. But fortunately, they're all James O'Keefe.

So he's like, well, this guy didn't like me anyway. Yeah. All right. We'll grab some more. A lot of people pointing out the other veritas video charles fritt says date videos allow the whistleblower to feign outrage and keep their jobs get christian westbrook westbrook from ice age farmer on the show please that sounds cool charles bloomer says this is for shim cartoon skit. For you, sir, a commercial for Justin Trudeau charcoal facial mask.

That's hilarious. That's a good one. Oh, my goodness. And then it ends with being like, and coming soon, the Ralph Northam. Oh, my gosh. Dark. Northam bed sheets or? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. What are they called? Die-cut bedsheets. Ooh, yikes. Pims the Great says, sent this yesterday before YouTube deleted everything. Just closed on nine and a half acres for my homestead Monday, but wanted to ask your opinion on BlackRock owning 75% of Ancestry.com.

Scary that they now have access to people's DNA. Yes, they do. Is Ancestry DNA? I'm pretty sure ancestry is DNA. Because I had ancestry for a while. But you still have ancestry. 23 and me is the you send your blood or something.

Yeah, I never did that. They send you a small knife in a package and you slice your palm and then squeeze. They don't do that. And then a guy there for the ancestors with you and does rituals with your blood you actually just like swab your cheek or something but uh i always thought it was funny that movies they'll take when it's like the ritual calls for blood and

they're like let me slice my entire palm open instead of like poking my arm break your finger yeah it's like how much blood did you need trying to show that they're hardcore and then their hand is like fine or they'll just wrap it and it's's like, bro, you're not going to be able to like, it's going to hurt. They're like, we need blood. Let me cut my arm off. All right. Hey, take it easy. Let me slit this way.

Let me de-glove my hand. You're like, what? How do I do? PRCE5 says, I'm picturing James O'Keefe as Willem Dafoe in Boondock Saints at the end. Yeah, that was a good one. Pretty good reference. Yo, James, we've got so many funny skits. They say, when are you thinking

as soon as humanly possible yeah as soon as humanly possible we could easily do this all we need is a wig that would be really funny alright we don't have a skit channel I mean look if we did it without Keith we could also literally I could do a cartoon of it

if he's interested send his voice that'd be good too but there's like so many well we're gonna do 50 of them then all right no but i i would love to do a physical that would also be hilarious just with him yeah yeah it would be hilarious we can also do the you know some of them for your idea is fine too shame yeah for the people who didn't listen to this episode if i was watching a sketch and you know it's a James O'Keefe sketch and then the reveal is it's actually James O'Keefe, I would pop huge for that.

It's like a 5'3", skinny blonde chick. She's like, tell me more about your job. Wow, have you ever done anything bad? And he's like, oh yeah, here's what I did. And then, wait a minute. Six foot tall. Slowly rising. You've ever done anything bad? Yeah, here's the document.

Can you Xerox that for me? I do have a portable scanner right here. It's like sliding the paper. I have my copy machine. I knew bringing this scanner on all these dates would finally pay off. All right. Derek says your possible skit is a remake of You Got Mail. I don't know what that one is. Is that a Tom Hanks?

Also, which possible skit? Because we've got like 50 of these. I know. So good. And the Jordan Peterson weight loss program. Oh, that's right. That has to be done as well. I think you could play Peterson.

I do little cartoons. He tells everyone to only eat meat. Right. Perfect. You have to. Embody the to only eat meat. Perfect. Embody the archetypal hero. Stop eating. Stop with all the food.

His weight loss app is called The Hero's Journey. Yeah. I like that. I would download that. That's actually a good name. That's a good name for one. Write it down. It'd be funny if in a week,ordan's got a new book called the hero's journey and it's like a weight loss plan i love it and then you're like i came up with that and

he's like prove it you're not beautiful come on peterson stop shaming me oh man all right xbox hog says almost died today by turning off the main breaker of my soaking wet circuit breaker box did not get electrocuted but i was really dumb don't do that yikes summer andre says abby johnson is a great person for perspective she used to run a planned parenthood until she had to assist in one and watched the baby fight against the tools i know stew peters has a great interview with her wow i want to get her on crazy blades will bleed says every miscarriage will be treated as a possible homicide is the fear being expressed by saying making miscarriage illegal not expressly illegal but effectively if they're all treated as a crime that's not how it was in any state where abortion

was illegal prior to roe v wade it's not as if women had miscarriages and then the police showed up to their house to investigate it's ridiculous yeah i also suppose it depends on the so you would be against that if someone did you can't like investigate people for miscarriage right no yeah well you could what if a woman's eight months pregnant and the baby you know she hasn't so if you so if you have something if there's like a dumpster baby like a child you know a dead child found in a dumpster or something like that yeah you would have to investigate because that's insane but yeah but i actually maybe i don't know if can you have a miscarriage at eight months

i think it's much less likely than earlier and i think it would be called something different at that point i think it's still a miscarriage at that point i think i look at it yeah i don't know yeah yeah so um the the issue at play with the argument is typically the left is arguing like if the baby's dead you then you need to abort that's like it's it's the removal of delivery well the cdc says that the termination of a pregnancy with uh with with a not live birth yeah so uh if that's the idea they're trying to convey i'm trying to steel man their approach my response is then put that in the law then right then make it clarify that that the life of the baby must be preserved at all costs. Also, they just make things up.

Right, right. But the issue is, despite Matt the other day arguing repeatedly that it's for the health of the mother, he also said when pressed, well, the woman can get an abortion electively. It's her choice. Also, there is no single piece of proposed pro-life legislation, and there is no pro-life advocacy group or any group that has ever said we need to make it illegal to remove a miscarried baby if necessary you got to keep it forever it's just it's ridiculous no one says that it's an insane yeah so miscarriage after 24 weeks is

called a stillbirth stillbirth i'm sorry you're correct you're correct that's what oh you are right you were yeah yeah i thought it was i thought it was something else yeah it is something else yeah it's not a miscarriage yeah good point so in which case yeah miscarriage wouldn't be investigated right no yeah yeah because it that's like miscarriage is pre-viability i have been shocked by the number of people who are like well then our miscarriage is abortions i'm like no it's a horrible sad thing not legal happens not legally so the spontaneous abortion is sometimes a medical term people use yeah Yeah, but that's not – What I mean is I want to make sure we're addressing their idea and not using words that they use differently.

Right. Well, the removal of an unfortunately miscarried baby is called a D and C, dilation and caretage, which is removing it. Unfortunate. Soul crushing. If the pregnancy has already been terminated due to – Right. That's not an abortion. Miscarriage or stillbirth, then abortion is the termination of the pregnancy that doesn't result in a live birth, according to the CDC.

Not to start more heated abortion stuff. I'm just going to disappear. You're about to get more expensive whiskey. What's the pro-life stance? Genuinely, this is not a gotcha thing. When on the argument where it's abortions are still going to happen but not safe and legally so you know a kid who is raped and his parents are going to disown them or you know like some of these um i have friends who were i mean i've been in relationships with

women who were raped and they were afraid to tell their parents because that was just the dynamic where they would have been shamed or whatever so people who have to then sneak off to get less safe abortion so the argument essentially saying that yo they're still going to happen but it's just not going to be as safe if you don't have access is there sort of like a well we can do this solution from the pro-life stance on that no that's a really good question. So basically, there's a few points. So there's the point about people are going to break this law. So what do you have to say about that? And then there's this question of whether there are going to be unsafe procedures if abortion isn't illegal. I think for the first question, I would say anytime we implement any

kind of legislation to try to help people or save lives, some people are going to break the law. I don't think that's a good reason not to pass the law. So I know in Texas, even it's difficult to have perfect metrics on this, but we've seen something like a 66% decline in the number of abortions that have happened there. And when it comes to the back alley abortion narrative, this is a mostly mythical idea that's been sold to the American public that prior to Roe v. Wade, because abortion was illegal, you just had thousands of women dying in these risky procedures. Bernard Nathanson was an abortion doctor who was, I believe, the founder of an organization called NARAL. And he admitted after he defected from the pro-choice movement that all of the numbers they

produced for the number of women who died in back alley abortion procedures were completely fabricated. The media printed them. It wasn't true. So in 1933, there were about 2700 recorded deaths from abortions and miscarriages together in the entire country. By the time you get to 1945, that number is under 900. And then by 1972, there were 63 and 38 percent of them happened in states where abortion was legal the reason is that as penicillin has become more widely available fewer women die from abortions and miscarriages yeah yeah antibiotics have become more widely available so it's not as

someone's like the ben and jerry of the abortion complex well penicillin is mostly like not even in use i'm pretty sure. Fair, but antibiotics, generally speaking, yeah. So it was an issue of people not having access to antibiotics, and again, before abortion was illegal, 38% of the deaths from abortion were taking place in states where abortion was legal. How do you deal with any other illegal

medical procedure? I mean, they happen. It's not like, you know, we don't see people going out and being like, people are illegally selling body parts. Yeah, I think even Brogan was talking about that, about how there might be more, do they call it medical tourism, where people kind of cross state lines if it's going to go state by state to find it. What was really interesting to me learning the numbers about abortion was this, what a huge percentage of it is completely just because ladies like, I don't feel like being pregnant. In fact, Abby Johnson was just talking about a lady who aborted her 16-week-old fetus because she wanted

a summer body. Wow. Unbelievable. Let's read some more. We got... I hate it so much. Brony Ninja says, Hey Chicago boys, I'll be in Chicago slash Schaumburg in two weeks for a Winnie City PonyCon. I've been recommended Giordano's

and Lou Malnati's for pizza. Any other places that it'd be cool to check out while there? Let's see. We have a bunch of Giordano's actually here in the freezer. It is delicious. I love it.

I don't eat the crust though. Just the cheese. Lou Malnati's is also extremely good and they're both good in different ways. Now, if you want to know the secret you got to go down to archer avenue on the south side of chicago and you got to go to one of two places or both there's villa rosa on archer near um near central i can't remember maybe something like latrobe or something and then there's danny's danny's pizza which is like

maybe that's La Trobe. They're both on Archer. So if you look by Midway Airport, and those are the pizza places that all of my friends and I, we grew up eating. And that's like the real Chicago pizza. You go to Giordano's and Lumanati's, you get the tourist pizza. If you want to get the real square cut, semi-thick crust with thick cheese on it you go down you go to those places that's how i feel about the philly cheesesteak thing where they're like gina like the two main ones are not good and it's just everything in the surrounding area is very good

all right let's grab uh we'll try and grab a couple more because we went a little over christopher macy says tim you said people can't grow their own food to feed themselves in cities please check out my page on tiktok at rebuilding life gardens one this is not true uh there are urban gardens that i know about places like detroit they've created urban gardens and there's also um balcony and rooftop gardens so i'm sure um i could be wrong but i wonder if you'd have the acreage to sustain a population of a city. I don't, that's just not possible. You know, the pop, so I think if you look at the amount of available arable land in

a city versus how many people live there, you'd have to drop it down by 99%. I mean, you can grow some food, right? But I don't think you could, it's impossible to sustain yourself. You know, we've got, I think now with the babies, maybe like 40 chickens. And I'm like, it's great. Every three years you get to eat one when they stop laying. I suppose you can eat it once it's fully grown by like if you're doing broiler hens or something. Maybe you'll eat the roosters.

Or if it upsets you. Or if it's just out of line. Or if someone it loves upsets you. But if they're laying eggs, we don't want to eat them. And then they lay for like three years. But if you have the proper cycle going, you'll always have a couple chickens. But you got to understand, guys, one chicken gets you two wings. Technically, you got the flats and the drums, so maybe four.

But when you go to a restaurant and you're like, I'm going to get 12 wings in buffalo sauce. Twelve. How many chickens? Three to six chickens, depending on if you're getting flats and drums. Well, Tim, I to get 12 wings in buffalo sauce. 12! How many chickens? Three to six chickens, depending on if you're getting flats and drums. Well, Tim, I hope modern science is working on that. Me too. We can have chickens with 12 wings.

Who says? Why not? Man, old Jamie would have gone on an hour-long vegan tirade. You're welcome, Super Chat. Theo C. says, I am become James O'Keefe, destroyer of tweets. Tweets tweets tweets bro gundam wing says i've heard a lot about women's rights and talk about babies when it comes to abortion what about the father's rights it takes two to make a baby but i haven't seen anyone talking about the father's rights should women get abortions against the father's wishes well the pro-choice guy i guess said men have no choice

so i think he's anti-choice so i don't know um i think you know there's got to be responsibility involved and there's a serious question about the father's rights but it's not the father carrying the baby which is it is the legal question of um the rights in question so when it came to the supreme court decisions they're like well there's the woman but then there's the baby and they're both in the same space. The father's not in that space. So I don't know how that would work. But I think we need cultural solutions. I think our culture needs to decide what we will and will not accept.

There are certain things you can't do. There are certain things you can. Yeah. I mean, it's the woman's body. Because I was trying to think about it because I'm really going to meditate on a lot of the things you guys said because it's stuff I legitimately never thought about. When you told the story about the baby who was coming out, I gasped because I never heard those stories before. And so I was trying to think about it.

But especially, I mean, if you make it equal, I mean, it is the woman's body. It is the government. It's a woman's body. And if you're in an abusive relationship, if – there's so many dicey situations where if it was equal – like it's not equal. It is in one of our bodies. It's not ever going to be equal. Yeah. It's impossible.

Yeah. Because women carry babies and men don't. Yeah, period. Men should be responsible. But now there's a viral – you know what maybe we should talk about? There are these viral posts going around of men breastfeeding. Yeah, I think we should – let's talk about that because we're talking about these rights. So here's what we'll do.

Head over to TimCast.com. Become a member. We are going to address the questions of equality on this issue, but there's viral posts going around. I think Libs of TikTok had it where men are taking hormone pills to induce lactation so they can share the burden with their wives. Yeah, I'm definitely going to have more whiskey. Have some more. And this is going to be an interesting conversation. This is –

I didn't need to know. I'm glad – You're going to know. I didn't need to know that. And I'm going to show you pictures. Whiskey time. All right, all right. Smash the like button.

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JamieKilsteinPodcast.com. By the way, I can't believe you hypocrites were complaining about the formula shortage and you don't want men to lactate to solve that problem. Maybe that's why.

You so-called... Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hypocrites, hypocrites. So my name is Seamus. I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. Please go there, check that out. We are also going to be launching the Freedom Tunes website on May 30th. And if you go to that website, sign up for the mailing list right now.

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Those are a lot of fun, yeah. The chicken one was one of the funniest. Seamus just screaming. People thought it was me screaming. Well, yes, because that would be appropriate. I mean, that's to be expected from Tim. That's true, yeah yeah I just want to say I want to know more about this receptacle where you put

your emails for Seamus's site that sounds terrifying go to freedomtunes.com and you'll be able to drop your email address in there I am definitely a drink whiskey for this episode of the after show for sure you guys can follow me on twitters

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