Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #539 - Ex Federal Agent Investigated As ACCOMPLICE In Buffalo Tragedy w/ Bryan Dean Wright

Episode Date: May 28, 2022

Tim, Ian, and Lydia host podcaster and commentator Bryan Dean Wright alongside energy expert Daniel Turner to discuss the officers involved in Uvalde, the heroic CBP officer who left a haircut and bor...rowed a shotgun to evacuate the school in Uvalde, Tim's agreement with Karl Marx on one issue, the incredibly deceptive journalists' article about ordering guns (not buying them!), and the incredibly creepy Army psy-op recruitment ad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We have an investigation happening in Buffalo. Apparently, before this tragic incident occurred at the grocery store, advance warning was given to several people, one of which was a retired federal agent. So now, it is being reported by the Buffalo News that there is an active investigation into whether or not this individual should be charged as an accomplice. Of course, this story is going around because a lot of people are looking into, let's just call it nefarious and malicious means behind the scenes involving federal agents with these tragic incidents that have occurred. I don't believe, you know, I don't blindly just believe the theories that people are putting out, the conspiracies. But I do think it's interesting to talk about because some people seem to think there may be more going on. And I think the information we get out of these warrants an
Starting point is 00:00:48 investigation. So guess what? They're investigating this guy. Now, typically, when people investigate themselves, they don't find anything wrong. So who knows? But there are a lot of other questions about what happened with the Uvalde shooting, like how this poor kid, a couple of days after his 18th birthday, was able to get a credit line or able to get money to buy an extremely expensive rifle get it delivered and pick it up all in the span of less than two days some people just they want to know there needs to be an investigation here but we have more information coming out and i'm shocked to say for the first time in a long time the left and the right are united they're united in their disdain for the police who stood in the hallway as
Starting point is 00:01:27 they heard the shots going off and did nothing. And outside barred parents from getting in, armed parents, from saving their kids. So it's remarkable to see left-wing activists just as outraged and for the same reasons as the rightists. So, hey, who would have thought
Starting point is 00:01:43 this would be the thing that would unify us? But when kids lose their lives and police do nothing and bar people from saving them, I think a lot of people are going to be angry. So we're going to talk all about this and a bunch of other stuff. Joining us to discuss this is Brian Dean Wright. Good, sir. Pleasure. Who are you? Yes, I am here to enjoy you all.
Starting point is 00:02:03 But beyond being here, I host a podcast called The President's Daily Brief. We talk about a lot of international affairs, some domestic stuff, but the focus is just like the actual President's Daily Brief, which is a top-secret summary that's given to the president every morning. I do the same thing with folks of what's happening around the world, and we focus a lot on why you should care because lots of things around the world happen. But really, why would I care if I'm in Des Moines this morning, right? So we talk about that and we talk about solutions. So how do we solve the country's problems, the world's problems? So that's what I do every morning at 6 a.m. And having worked at the CIA, that's the reason I
Starting point is 00:02:40 started doing this podcast. You're a former Deep State. Yes. Well, maybe current. You don't know. Can you ever shake it? Oh, let's talk about that. All right. But you did work at the CIA. I did. We'll definitely talk about that and the Deep State or whatever else.
Starting point is 00:02:53 We have Daniel Turner as well. Yeah, there's a Fed to my right. My name is Jack Pasova. Yes, Daniel Turner, Power of the Future. Great to be here again. Always good to be with you. And I was talking to Brian in the green room. I've followed him for years and years,
Starting point is 00:03:09 and so it's actually really cool to meet you in person. So I'm glad to be here. Ian Crossland, what's up, everybody? I'm going to do something a little controversial and spin the UFO with my fingers. Oh, my. Oh, my gosh. Look at that. Look at that wobbly spin.
Starting point is 00:03:21 I didn't say I was going to spin it fast. Nice. I just said I was going to spin it, and I followed through. The chat has exploded. Everyone at that wobbly spin. I didn't say I was going to spin it fast. Nice. I just said I was going to spin it. Love it. And I followed through. The chat has exploded. Everyone's saying fed. Yes. Oh, yeah. We talk about like a road to redemption.
Starting point is 00:03:34 So is there something like that when you're no longer a fed or how long until you're no longer? Well, you guys tell me what's the penance. Like what's the thing that I have to do to make myself redeemed in your talk show? A hundred bucks just right now, actually. Done it. Your soul will be saved. I'm in. What about you, Lydia?
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Starting point is 00:06:02 Subscribe to this channel right now. Share the show with your friends. It is a lovely Friday night. Let's read this first story from the Buffalo News. Authorities investigating if retired federal agent knew of Buffalo mass shooting plans in advance. They're actually wondering if this dude should be charged as an accomplice. What they're basically saying is that in this – I think it was in the Discord that the – oh, I'm spelling it wrong. Here we go. The perpetrator shared the information with six individuals, one of which was a retired federal agent.
Starting point is 00:06:33 They say agents from the FBI are in the process of tracking down and interviewing the six people, including the retired agent, and attempting to determine if any of them should be charged as accomplices, the two sources with close knowledge of the probe told the Buffalo News. The two sources did not identify the agent by name and could not confirm what agency he worked for. I just got to start off by saying sometimes there are racist former federal agents. Sometimes people who are criminals work for different departments. Or maybe this guy was in a discord and did not see any of this information and that's why he didn't report it we don't know but the reason i want to i want to lead with this is because there's a lot of questions around all of these it's becoming particularly prominent to see on twitter and other platforms where people are questioning how these things can actually happen like how is it you know with uvalde a guy two days after his 18th birthday gets one of the
Starting point is 00:07:22 best most expensive rifles possible. What was his training? How could he afford it? He was being made fun of for being poor. Now all of a sudden... So people question this stuff. I think there are simple solutions, simple answers to a lot of these things, but I do think we could not debunk that truly.
Starting point is 00:07:38 And honestly, we can cast doubt onto these theories. But I think it's interesting. So I don't know. What do you guys think about this? The potential federal agent. I should ask you, Brian, as you are former Fed, maybe current. You should say current Fed. Yeah, got it. All right. Yeah, look, there are bad apples in every bunch, aren't there? And whether this guy was knowledgeable and actually ignored
Starting point is 00:08:02 his own training, which is these folks, especially bureau guys, they know absolutely the signs, the flags, and when and where to report those. So he should have a very special, sensitive tripwire is the point. And the fact that he didn't do what he should have is really odd and frankly disconcerting because it doesn't make sense. Interesting. Some people were, so I can't confirm a lot of what people are posting in these stories, but some people are saying that apparently these guys might have been in Uvalde and in Buffalo in the same discords
Starting point is 00:08:33 or that the people egging them on may have been in the same discords. If you go back all the way to Columbine and you look at the investigation into that, even Dylan Kleblot, I think his name was, I forget. But even his family said, you know, he spent a lot of time in the garage. We always heard these loud noises. He was always blowing things up.
Starting point is 00:08:58 This is kind of similar in the sense that there are a lot of warning signs. Clearly he's telling people just like the guy in Texas, you know, told people. He told that girl who he tagged on social media in L.A., like, I'm going to do this. I mean, if that isn't a sign that there is some clear mental problem,
Starting point is 00:09:15 that there is this very blatant cry for help, there's almost the desire to attract attention before the fact. And I think right now the conversation, as it should be, is, you know, what else can we do? But I think what we're starting to see now is, well, actually, there really isn't a need necessarily for more laws or more sort of bureaucratic steps. It's just actually to execute the things that we were supposed to do more thoughtfully,
Starting point is 00:09:38 more consistently, whether it's at the schools, making sure doors are shut for Pete's sake. If you're a parent or you're a loved one or you're a neighbor and you start seeing this stuff, raise the flag. Do the things that we all know that work. I don't know in this case as we learn more that we really should have an additional layer of laws or whatnot. It's really just making
Starting point is 00:09:58 sure that what we do and have on the books, just execute that more thoughtfully, more consistently. I'll tell you that this issue of training, that's one that I think is really odd with this fellow because he was so young, he just got this gun. It's not a light weapon to work with. So some degree of training, exposure, where did he get that? That's one of the things that I have been looking at and looking for.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Yeah, so when people are pointing out this gun with taxes and shipping and everything was two grand, a lot of people said, how could a guy who works at Wendy's and is under 18 afford that? Because you'd have to, I mean, save up for how long? I mean, I suppose if he's living with his mom, he's not paying anything. But then apparently he got into a fight with his grandma or something over a phone bill. So I mean, maybe he really just saved up this money. And then it actually is, it could be quite simple, a credit card. You turn 18, you get a phone bill. So he – I mean maybe he really just saved up this money and then it actually is – it
Starting point is 00:10:45 could be quite simple, a credit card. You turn 18, you get a credit card. If you've got no bad credit, you might get a couple grand on a credit card. Yeah, easily. But then there's a timeframe. So I'm not sure if this is correct. I don't know if you guys know. You guys can fact check me.
Starting point is 00:10:56 But it was two days after his 18th birthday. So he ordered the gun online and then maybe a week in advance it got shipped in. Then he went there and picked it up, and then the next day maybe. I mean it's all possible. I don't want to say it's impossible, but it is kind of like did he really plan it out meticulously as he did, I suppose, right? That sounds like he'd been planning it for a while. If he organized it so that the gun had arrived after he turned 18 and everything was right then, it sounds like he'd been planning it. So this issue of planning. So that the gun had arrived after he turned 18 and everything was right then. It sounded like he'd been planning it. Well, let me add.
Starting point is 00:11:25 So this issue of planning. So in the intelligence community, particularly with terror attacks, we know that there is a planning process. And along that process, you end up finding ways to intervene. They slip up. They make mistakes. There are little warning signs. And from an intel perspective, that's what you look for to stop those attacks. So I think, again, we're going to see the more investigative work that gets done, there are those little
Starting point is 00:11:47 pops and flags that we're going to see retroactively be like, we should have seen that. Or somebody did see that and they didn't do something. And I think that's where we're going to start really making a difference when these horrible events happen. We learn from them. That's how we stop the next one. It's going to change. The next attack is going to change, but that's what we learn from them. That's how we stop the next one. It's going to change. The next attack is going to change, but that's what we learn. Yeah. Basically what you were just saying before, to add onto that, when I look at these incidents, I think one of the problems we have is that we think there's a solution. And maybe there is. I'm not saying we shouldn't try and figure something out. But I wonder if when people are saying, we need armed teachers. And I'm like, well,
Starting point is 00:12:22 I think if people were armed in general, we'd probably be better off. But I don't know if that solves the problem of a deranged young person who plans this thing out. If this dude really did plan it out as extensively as he did, and seemingly he did because he ordered it in advance, waited until his 18th birthday, saved up money, got a credit card, who knows what he did, but he planned it, then I don't think – I'll put it this way. You mentioned something before the show. You said we got to be right 100 out of 100 times because that one time you aren't is when they get you. So we can plan.
Starting point is 00:12:54 We can be like, okay, how about armed teachers? And then the kid just – the next person makes a plan to accommodate for armed teachers. I think the issue is that we've got a cultural and mental illness problem. I think that, you know, I know a lot of conservatives say mental illness problem, but you look at the medication these kids are on, and we have a fatherlessness problem. It's cultural, and it's multifaceted. Everybody just wants the singular solution. They're like, we can either ban the guns or, you know, we can arm the teachers, and I'm
Starting point is 00:13:23 like, that's not going to solve what's going on. Well, I think, and when it comes to the government stepping in, you know, this kid is cutting himself, right? He's made a lot of threats. Where's Child Protective Services? And all I'm going to say is, I don't even have, it's not even a question, it's more just an observation. But Child Protective Services were shown up to people's parents, to parents' house where they refused to vaccinate their kids within hours. Right. Then the height of the pandemic of covid child protective services was stepping in swiftly. So it's just kind of bizarre that the same government services that we are looking to protect children in the case that the parents are not doing their job seem to be kind of absent when this is a very clear case of a kid who is troubled who is abusive who is uh i mean if you're 17 and you're cutting
Starting point is 00:14:11 yourself you're cutting your face repeatedly i mean how much more of a red flag law do we need to say this kid is not but boy if he had said my parents won't get me vaccinated holy crap the child protective services would have been there within minutes what if he says my parents won't get me vaccinated, holy crap, the Child Protective Services would have been there within minutes. What if he says my parents won't let me get my Adderall prescription filled? Will Child Protective Services come and take him? Will they side with him because he needs his Adderall? Or will they side with the parent because it's inconscionable to give a 14-year-old Adderall? My parents won't let me choose my pronoun.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Yeah, my gender. Holy cow, would they have swept in and said, the abuse you're creating to this child. So the reason why I'm bringing this up is not to dump on people who are failing at their job, but if you're turning to the government for a solution, I don't think you're going to have any solution that works. Not in this case. It's like state of mind. The government is not good at solving state of mind.
Starting point is 00:15:02 You need like a spiritual leader or something or something like that. I think we are in a culture war for a reason. We have very serious cultural problems. Now, it's cool to see that the left and the right are unified in their disdain for the police over this one. But when you look at how the left has been approaching basically everything, I can say it feels to me the reason moderates and conservatives are kind of united. You've got post-liberal, libertarian, centrists and conservatives all in sort of an agreement because they're actually addressing facts and issues. The left isn't.
Starting point is 00:15:29 When it comes to issues of these shootings, they say, background checks. I said yesterday, okay, we have those. Ban the AR-15. Okay, what about an AK? What about an M1A? What about any other gun? I mean, so many. They're just not saying anything. But they're getting really, really mad.
Starting point is 00:15:45 So I look at the deep cultural issues, and I'm sorry if I'm not going to take a liberal's word for it, because they believe Jesse Smollett. And now we have this tweet going viral from another fake account claiming that Governor Abbott sent a rep to this guy's house telling him that
Starting point is 00:16:01 we'll pay you to stand with the governor and if you don't, we'll criminally charge you or something. It's the most ridiculous made-up fake story, probably by a 12-year-old. Joaquin Castro is tweeting, let me know if you need any help. Pulitzer-winning journalists are all tweeting it out like, I can't believe this is happening. Christopher Titus, the comedian, verified. He's like, yeah, but it's done.
Starting point is 00:16:23 It's like, dude, boomers. I mean, I want to say boomer, it's like dude boomers i mean i want to say boomer but they're not boomers they're like 35 years old and twitter hasn't taken it down twitter hasn't flagged it as misinformation or false um yeah but but forgive me if i say the people who believe jesse smollett i'm not going to take political advice from it's just never going to happen yeah maybe a lack of critical thinking because I think they're still getting facts that's just not right. They're wrong facts, whatever that means. Well, they're not facts. Yeah, like that the AR means assault rifle, for instance.
Starting point is 00:16:54 And then they think ban AR, you're not going to have any more assault rifles. So even if you look at this, I think, from the most hopeful perspective, people need control. And when you have a moment like this, everything feels out of control. So you're going to gravitate to the thing that makes you feel best and most comfortable. And it's AR-15. Okay, that's the bad thing that we all need to focus our energy on. Doesn't matter the nuance or the facts. It's just enough people in the moment of hysteria say, that's the bad thing. There's the one silver bullet solution. Focus on it. And that's just not true. You're bringing up the very correct points. This is multifaceted.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Maybe we have a medicine issue or the mental health concern. We have a lack of a father. We have a lack of support in the family. There are so many different pieces to each of these kinds of horrific shootings that to stop and really ask tough questions, not happening. We just want the one silver bullet solution. I want to pull up this tweet from Matt Walsh matt walsh says absolutely damning there is no defending this 19 officers waited outside and listened to children get slaughtered i hope all of these
Starting point is 00:17:54 cowards are sued into bankruptcy they deserve prison too but i doubt that's going to happen let me read for you this excerpt that matt posted The authorities now say that local officers first entered the school at 1135, two minutes after the gunman, and that there were 19 officers in the hallway by 1203 p.m., but that they did not breach the door and kill the gunman until 1250, even as they continued to hear him firing. I just want to pause and perhaps tug at your heartstrings maybe a little bit. I want you to imagine being in the hallway
Starting point is 00:18:29 hearing 10-year-old children being shot from a high-powered rifle and with 19 people around you armed. And I want you to imagine what must possibly be going through your head to think, I'm not going to do anything.
Starting point is 00:18:43 I can't fathom that. This wrecked me when I read this tweet. It's wrecking me now. I'm wondering what they knew, the cops. Did they think there were multiple shooters? Was it possible there were multiple shooters, that they were firing on purpose in there to draw them in, to kill the cops?
Starting point is 00:18:59 What did they know? I think what was the first thing they said, but they could have got shot. Is that what it was? Look, I'll tell you from my view, having worked with law enforcement and the intelligence community, when you're going face-to-face with really awful, evil people, you just go. And you get into this line of work because you know that you're there because other people can't be or won't be. And so you take that mantle on, and you know that you're going because other people can't be or won't be. And so you take that mantle on.
Starting point is 00:19:25 You know that you're going to throw yourself into harm's way. And the people who love you, your spouses, your kids, they know that that's the agreement that you have. It's just in your heart. And so, you know, the extent to which this did or didn't happen, I don't know. But I'll tell you, if you had a bunch of guys in a hallway who knew that this slaughter was happening and they put aside their oath and their commitment to those kids or their community because they were afraid for their own lives, while at some level I think most of it can understand like,
Starting point is 00:19:55 hey, we want to preserve ourselves, when you sign up to be a law enforcement official or even an intelligence officer, you understand that your body at some level belongs to the mission, and you go. You go in and you know that you will at some level belongs to the mission, and you go. You go in, and you know that you will sacrifice yourself. That's just what you're setting up for. I don't – you know, that sounds very logical. I don't know that I would be affected in that way.
Starting point is 00:20:15 I think the moment I heard screaming and the guns, I'd just be kicking the door in. Yeah. I can't even – I don't think I'd be able to think straight. But that's the point. Most people that I've ever worked with in law enforcement, they come to the table with that orientation in their heart. That's just what they do because they know that they're going to be called on to do that. It doesn't matter who your kids are or your spouses or whatever. When you hear that moment, when you see that that person needs to be taken down, you go.
Starting point is 00:20:37 And you know that you can put yourself in their shoes. Real quick. Sorry, man. Have you ever watched a movie where there's medieval warfare or or ancient warfare or even colonial era warfare and i always thought every mel gibson movie ever made mel gibson movie all of them the patriot is one of my favorite movies of all time and i when i watch these movies i always see those guys on the front line with the spears or whatever and i'm like they know they're gonna die and they they stand there knowing they are going to die and it's remarkable because that's something you choose to walk up to, stand there and
Starting point is 00:21:06 say, this is it. When in this circumstance, I'm just like, this is the exact opposite of that. These are the people who are like, I'm not going in front. And they can hear children being shot. I can't understand. I have run into danger for stupider reasons than that. When I worked for these media companies and we hear the gunshots and we hear the flashbangs go off and we take cover and we slowly try going towards it just to film it.
Starting point is 00:21:34 Just to film because we want to show people what's happening, let alone trying to save the life of a child. My brain doesn't understand this. I just don't get it. I just can't. It doesn't. The brain doesn't process it because even if it weren't the gunshots, if they just said on the other side of this door are some children who were shot,
Starting point is 00:21:49 you can't fathom standing there for 30 minutes and saying, oh yeah, there were kids shot on the other side of this door. They knew there were people who had been shot. You are looking for triage. You're looking to... So it just doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying it didn't happen. It just defies logic.
Starting point is 00:22:09 It defies emotion. It defies human nature. It defies the nature of law enforcement, which does have that race in and save the day. It just doesn't compute. Look, you've got left and right publications are essentially unified. On the CNN's reporting, they waited in the hallway, 19 people. That's just, I don't know. That doesn't make any sense. I'll tell you, working with a lot of guys in the military, they have told me stories.
Starting point is 00:22:36 No doubt people who are listening and watching right now probably know what I'm about to say in terms of when you've got your brothers next to you, and if there's somebody coming at you, you get up and you fire. You take care of the threat. You do it for yourself. You do it for the people who are around you. There's a brotherhood and a sisterhood that you're in this for the mission. But it's also because you're doing this for your country.
Starting point is 00:22:56 In this way, you're doing it for your community. You're doing it for those kids and those families, but you're doing it for your community because you love your community. You want to defend it from any threat, foreign or domestic. It's the exact same thing in the military. Those guys do it for their country because they love their country. So I don't know what in the heck has gone on here, but
Starting point is 00:23:13 something is very, very wrong. I got ratioed today on Twitter because I said, this is what happens when you defund the police, you get incompetent officers. And the response from the right was, these were fully funded officers and they have no obligation to defend anybody. And the response from the right was, these were fully funded officers and they have no obligation to defend anybody. And the left said the same thing.
Starting point is 00:23:29 This department was never defunded. And so I'm going to eat that one and I'm going to own up to the poor wording of the idea. What I was thinking of when I was tweeting that was, this is what happens after, quote unquote, defund the police. I didn't mean to say that this department was
Starting point is 00:23:45 specifically defunded i said when you demonize police when you memorialize criminals this is what you'll get why would an officer they're thinking themselves if i go in there they're going to blame me they're going to you know they're going to say oh he started shooting because you did it they will throw so no one is willing to take the actions anymore yeah i was imagining that from their perspective maybe in like fog of war they didn't know what was going on if there were multiple shooters if it was a hostage situation if ever there are three guys in there with ar-15s trained on the door ready for cops just to walk through one by one and take them down one by one
Starting point is 00:24:19 and they're like we're not going to add to the bloodshed that's what i'm trying to figure someone had mentioned that cops do not rush towards an armed man that they can't see because they will get shot. What were you going to say, Brian? This idea, though, building on what you both have just said, this idea of risk aversion, right? So if you right now are in a law enforcement capacity in this country, you know that if you step incorrectly, you are going to be under a massive microscope, irrespective of your intent. So could there have been an issue here where some of those people, particularly collectively, are like, oh God, if we do the wrong thing here, or the cameras are going to be outside, and we're
Starting point is 00:24:54 all going to get nailed for this. To what extent is there a risk aversion sort of culture developing within law enforcement because of this sort of the woke stuff, or even some degree of actually good scrutiny over what people in law enforcement have done historically. But has it gone too far? Has a pendulum swung too far? I think that that could also potentially be something that we're looking at here. Well, the last two Democrat presidents, one being the current and the one before Trump, the day this happened or two days ago, they were talking about George Floyd and
Starting point is 00:25:25 talking about the need for police accountability. So when you say, have we taken it too far? Yeah. Who wants to be a cop right now? And this just makes it worse, right? Now everyone's like, you're going to be a cop? Did you know 19 of them stood in the hallway? And now you have to be collectively joined to that
Starting point is 00:25:41 you're all cops. It's like, I don't want to be part of that type of cop but I want to be a cop but not anymore I don't. If this is what it means, if every time I do something you're going to subpoena my body cam footage to have NBC edit it in a way that makes me look like the best. Screw you. I don't need this
Starting point is 00:25:58 for 38 grand a year. And we desperately need heroes right now. If in the military, if those soldiers didn't have the authority to mow down civilians at will in the heat of the moment, we would lose every war. You need that vicious onslaught. You need it. Or you cannot win a war. That's war.
Starting point is 00:26:17 But these people, it basically was as similar as like a war moment of war in the classroom. But I think this is different. But I see what you're saying. You need a certain level of vigor and and you know when it comes to outright war but when you're in war it's different from when you're hearing children dying right next to you i i i'm i have no words to explain the correlation is that their their authority to be brutal has been stripped away from them i'm not saying that it's good for cops to be brutal, but I think that in some cases they need to feel like they can be in order to survive. I would only offer, brother, that I think that there is a good thing that we teach,
Starting point is 00:26:54 both in law enforcement, the intel community, and military, and that is target discernment. So understanding who's in front of you and whether or not to pull the trigger. And I think that a certain bridling of that raw human nature that just wants to throttle and kill, it's not such a bad thing, actually. It's quite good. So some discernment around target selection is brilliant. But your point, and this is really important, in that fog of war, in that intensity, when your adrenaline is pumping, are you going to make that perfect decision 100 times out of 100 times? No.
Starting point is 00:27:25 And we know that, whether it be intel, law enforcement, or military. You're going to make mistakes, and mistakes are going to happen. And so that's when I think as a country, we need to be able to have that moment of reflection to say, someone made a mistake. It doesn't mean all law enforcement are good or bad. Let's be careful with our statements not to make sweeping generalizations but maybe a bit more nuanced but the bottom line i think that a little bit of target discernment is really important it's really good but i think in this case something just didn't go well didn't go it's worse than you all realize it's not just about police who stood back and did nothing
Starting point is 00:27:59 from timcast.com border patrol team who ultimately killed the shooter were blocked from entering the school by Uvalde police for nearly an hour. Why? It doesn't make any sense. These people were, not only were they cowards, but they were obstructing the parents and the border patrol. This is, something is wrong here. Something is really screwed up. Something is seriously wrong here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Now, they're saying they thought the children were at risk And so they didn't want to risk it by storming in Or something like that And now they're saying it was a big mistake I don't buy it For you to stand outside that room Hearing gunshots Knowing there are children inside
Starting point is 00:28:38 Even if you don't hear gunshots If you know children had been shot an hour ago Still can't go in There are kids who were shot inside. Can't go in. What do they think was going to happen? Like after he killed all the kids, he wasn't a threat anymore? He's still got a gun.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Look, let him run out of bullets first. That's crazy. Apparently he had like what, like 1,600 rounds? We need right now for our future generations heroes to look up to. You know what we need? We need a story about one of these cops, what should have happened. Storming in, kicking the door in,
Starting point is 00:29:10 pulling out their service weapon, and ending this psychopath, and then telling people about how he risked everything to save these kids, and that's what you want to be when you grow up. Well, the Border Patrol agent who actually did eventually kill him was getting his hair cut. His wife texted him and said, there's an active shooter
Starting point is 00:29:30 in the school. Help. And I'm sure you can find that article. And he was in the barber shop. He didn't have his weapon on him, but his barber had a shotgun. Holy cow! The barber's shotgun and drove to the school. That's amazing. He is the one. That's the story. You can find the story. That dude needs a movie. That dude and he's the one who eventually to the school. That's amazing. He is the one. That's the story. You can find the story. That dude needs a movie. That dude and
Starting point is 00:29:45 he's the one who eventually killed the shooter. I'm sure you can find the article. Let me pull that up. That is the culture. That's what we want. Having been in this world for a while, that is absolutely in the DNA of every cop and every military official and every CIA officer that I've worked
Starting point is 00:30:01 with. I would say in the vast majority of cases, that's what drives people to show up is doing exactly what he did off duty. It wasn't his responsibility. It doesn't matter. It was still his mission because it was his community. It was his country. That's what people dream of when they join the forces. Good people dream of having that moment when they can jump up, grab the nearest available
Starting point is 00:30:23 weapon, and make it happen. Well, I wanted to say before we move to this really interesting-sounding story, I think that this might be the result of what happened during the pandemic. When they were locking down, they were enforcing all these unconstitutional rules, and the good cops were like, I'm out. Bye. So we're left with cowardly cops who watched what happened during the BLM riots. I don't know if he was the guy who actually killed the shooter. They say it was a CBP Bortech.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Is it Bortech group? Border Tactical? Yeah, that confronted him. But this guy did run in with his barber shotgun. Oh, he saved his wife and daughter. Okay. That's amazing. He took his barber shotgun.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Still, an amazing story. And these are the guys that we need to make hero movies about. Yes. Yep. I mean, how would you do it? It would be short. Short and sweet. It's just a dad who said,
Starting point is 00:31:10 I've got to save my family, you know? Yeah. You know, again, what I would love to know is about this man's life. What drove him in his life
Starting point is 00:31:19 to become who he became? What, in his childhood, in his young adulthood, what made him decide that in that moment, sitting in that barber chair, that he has this beautiful family that he was going to either try to save them,
Starting point is 00:31:31 or he would know that as he was trying to save his family, he could be shot and killed and he would be gone. And his family would have to survive without him, but he still got himself out of that chair, grab that shotgun and ran. There's something interesting and beautiful about his soul that I would love to understand because that's exactly what we need to uplift and ran. There's something interesting and beautiful about his soul that I would love to understand because that's exactly what we need to uplift and celebrate.
Starting point is 00:31:48 It's actually a good origin story for his kid. If you were doing a movie about someone, or like a Marine or a law enforcement guy who did something great, and it's like his origin was that his dad risked his life, and that was the message he got, and that's why he went on to become a hero. I'm going to tell you what this guy is. He is a normal man who did something extraordinary.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Because that's what, in history of this country, it's not somebody who was born into some fancy family. It was a normal person who was put in an extraordinary situation and did something extraordinary with the power of that moment. I don't know. When I think of the Careys and the Bushes and some of the prestigious families of the country, they've done amazing things.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Just absolutely amazing. I'm definitely amazed when I think about those things. He took his barbarous shotgun. He actually helped evacuate people out of the building. Well, do we have Medal of Honor for police, local, state police, things like that? I don't know. Maybe we should. But I wanted to add before we move on, because
Starting point is 00:32:44 our chat's full of people screaming fed, is that this guy worked for the federal government. He worked for the Border Patrol. He wasn't a local cop. The local cops didn't do jack. Deep state. Ah! That's it.
Starting point is 00:32:54 I knew it. Deep state was here to help us. You raised a great question, though. Is there a Medal of Honor, an award? Will this guy be recognized? It will be curious. The next State of the Union is in seven months. Border Patrol.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Whoever the president invites to his balcony is always a very important, very symbolic. I will bet right now that Biden will take someone from Buffalo to highlight the racism angle because that is what we do in our American politics. He will not take a hero and say, this is a guy who risked everything. He will take a victim and say, and it's because of this country that victimhood like this exists because you're all bad. Vote for me again. So that's what I think is going to happen. It's a little speculative
Starting point is 00:33:35 of me, but I don't think they'll build a statue for this guy. No. But they built a statue for George Floyd. Yes. Pray for us, St. George Floyd. Who was on fentanyl at the time of death. Indeed he was. Oh, more than that. Yeah, five.
Starting point is 00:33:47 No, he should not have died. I mean, I'm not trying to say that in any way, but we don't want to make those guys heroes. No. No, George Floyd died. He's a victim. And it's tragic. And in many ways, you know, I also think that he was a flawed human being. We don't want people just to die, but we don't tell our children to look up to the people
Starting point is 00:34:06 who are dying in these tragic things and who have lived pretty bad lives. We want kids to look up to this guy, Jacob Albarado. I don't know his name. Who was getting a haircut. Yeah. And then decides he gets a text from his wife, that's the story, and then says, you know, she says, I love you,
Starting point is 00:34:21 and he rushes in to help save, I mean he wants to save his family, but he helps evacuating a bunch of other people too. Get Jacob Alvarado on the show. That is a great idea. Might have to try that. Yeah. I think, you know, just, and you ask him the question, where'd you come from?
Starting point is 00:34:33 Well, he's also, he's also CBP. So I'd love to talk to him. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I get a lot of questions. Yeah. He'd be great guys. Ask him if they really whip people.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Oh, yeah. That's what I want to know. I was at, I went to Austin and I was staying at a hotel and flipping across the border. That's what I want to know. I went to Austin, and I was hanging out at a hotel and flipping through the channels. I can't remember which news station turned on automatically. And it was this documentary. And it was just the weirdest
Starting point is 00:34:55 Jussie Smollett-level hoax, BS, leftist propaganda. And it was playing this dark music and showing all these awful photos of, like, Trump supporters and Trump looking angry and then it showed the Border Patrol guy with the rain where they tried to convince people he was whipping them
Starting point is 00:35:11 and it's just not real these people believe Jussie Smollett hoaxes every single day Jussie is free again right? that's what I heard last night he hasn't been put back in jail for the time being he's still he's got a movie coming out
Starting point is 00:35:24 yeah for sure am I going to be run out of this place? back in jail. Well, that's what I heard last night. He's still, yeah. But you know what's not? He's got a movie coming out. He's a deep state. They're real. Yeah, for sure. So am I going to be run out of this place? Is that what's going to happen? No, absolutely not. I prefer the term administrative state. There you go.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Yes. Speaking of, you were part of the administrative state. I was. That's true. Why did you leave? Two reasons. The first was my brother still is an alcoholic but needed to be in rehab so I left to go make a bunch of money to get him into rehab.
Starting point is 00:35:48 So thank God he's sober and doing better now. The other was I saw a lot of people who no longer were there for the right reasons. I can't talk a lot about the programs that I was involved in but the upshot is that they were lying to
Starting point is 00:36:04 the White House and the NSC and the oversight committees about how successful we were being at certain things. And I was like, you guys, this is incorrect. And they basically just told me to go F myself, right? So after a while, you were baptized as I was, born and raised in rural America, and my family loved the country, and cousins who joined the military and all that. So joining the CIA was an extension of that. So you would have thought, as I did for many years, that everybody would want to remain committed to the mission, to the country. But then I got to this level where I'm involved in various programs
Starting point is 00:36:40 and I'm watching them lie to our elected leaders, which I don't know in hindsight, like how naive of me not to think that some of my colleagues would lie to protect themselves so they could get promoted. Right. But it was so just disheartening that I was like, I'm not going to spend another 20 years of my life around these people who aren't here for the right reason. I got it. I'm out. I'm done. So do you think, does the CIA have a little bit of an Enron problem where the numbers are inflated, but everyone likes the cons of the result? And so they're like, yeah, this is great.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Great. Insider knowledge here. Every two years or so, people rotate out of positions. So you want to be able to, in your evaluation, you want people to say, oh, things were better than when you got here. Nobody wants to say, hey, when I got into this position, I actually did a little bit of scrubbing and this is a bunch of bullshit. The programs that we're telling the
Starting point is 00:37:30 downtown, that is to say the White House, the Congress that are all great, actually they're garbage. Nobody wants to be that guy. So everybody waits two years and then leaves. So everybody kicks this corrupt can down the road. And so that's what's happening inside the agency to this day. So term limits for administrative state. This has been brought up to me multiple times,
Starting point is 00:37:49 and I'm a fan. What you're saying is absolutely solidifies my belief in that. If they're waiting two years to get in a promotion and they'll just say whatever they need to say, I mean, that's the deepest, darkest crap. So I don't know what the solution is other than you've got to have more sunshine into those kinds of systems. And you have to have people raise their hand to the inspector general, et cetera, to say, hey, there's an issue. But ultimately, this is about the House and the Senate, the oversight committees and their staffs, knowing what questions to ask and holding the people in power to account. And that's true with the FBI, too.
Starting point is 00:38:23 That's what has failed over these past number of years with all these FBI agents who did this ridiculous crap in Michigan, setting those guys up. We saw it with guys like John Brennan, who knew damn well that there was no Trump-Russia collusion. But he left the agency and he went around the country for two years saying it was all but true, if not absolutely true. And he knew it wasn't. Oh, James Clapper as well. Sorry to clapper as well sorry he had another one clapper with when they're talking about the prism
Starting point is 00:38:49 spying network that they had uncovered and asked if they'd been spying on american people his response was not wittingly knowing full well yes you have been spying on the american people the big station like a big building in the middle of nowhere to do it under oath he perjured himself congress did nothing they so here's here's what state is. I'm going to give you an example. A guy named Aldrich Ames. He was a CIA officer back in the 1990s. And he decided he was going to spy for the Soviet Union. And so he did. And he was caught by the FBI. And they asked him, Aldrich, why'd you do it? And he said, because I know what's best for this country and its national security, and I'm going to act on it.
Starting point is 00:39:28 So the deep state are these people who have profound powers who decide that based on their own politics, their own beliefs, they're going to do whatever the hell they want to do, irrespective of the law, and then they get away with it. So was it like a corporate governance, basically, that got built in 1946? Is that right after World War II, Eisenhower basically put this thing together? That's the upshot. Yeah, through the Second World War, there was something called the OSS. That was kind of the external intelligence service. And then obviously, the FBI preceded that. But yeah, there was a need
Starting point is 00:39:59 for foreign intelligence to understand what our adversaries are doing and to get ahead of that, right? So I get the need, and that remains. But the problem is, when you give people any human power, some percentage of them are going to abuse it. And the more power that you give them, at some level, you're going to have more and more people who abuse it. It's just the nature of humanity. So how do you bridle that? How do you manage it? And there are different people who answer that in different ways. Maybe you don't do it at all, because it's just too risky. So you get rid of the CIA altogether or you manage it better.
Starting point is 00:40:28 I always wonder if the deep state is the – and correct me – the organization itself is so big and so well entrenched that by the time there's a new president and they switch out John Podesta for – who's the guy now? Bill Burr? Bill Burr is the comedian. Hopefully it will be Bill Burr. That would be fun. Bill Burn, right? By the time you swap these people out, it doesn't matter who's at the top. I'm doing my thing, and he doesn't know I exist.
Starting point is 00:40:58 I know who he is just to stay out of his hair. Is there some truth to the fact that the apparatus is so big that the people at the top, they rotate and no one cares? That's absolutely true. And this gets back to the point that was made about whether it be term limits, even in your bureaucracy, your mid-level guys, or it's just a size issue. You just expanded the state in the past 20, 30 years
Starting point is 00:41:17 to such an extent that there are so many people who have so many entrenched interests that A, it slows down your mission, but then B, you get more and more people who can do more and more damage to your country because you give them such expansive powers. I'm a big fan of actually reducing, not just the size of government, generally speaking,
Starting point is 00:41:33 which it's true, but specifically the deep states that work, the agency, the FBI. I certainly think the administrative state, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, is a serious problem. But what about the arguments? And I'm not saying it's a good argument. want to call it, is a serious problem. But what about the argument, and I'm not saying it's a good argument, I'm just saying this is the argument made,
Starting point is 00:41:50 that if we curtail our powers internationally and domestically, China will take over and then we'll be living in a unipolar Chinese superpower planet. So here's the deal. CIA ain't going to stop China. The CIA and the FBI are not going to stop China.
Starting point is 00:42:05 The FBI starts at least 10 cases every day against China right now. We have over 100,000 Chinese nationals who come into this country every year. So the issue isn't – it is like a dam that is bursting. We're trying to put our finger in it to stop it. You have good leadership within the White House and the House and the Senate that understands that China is a threat and starts treating them as such. The spies ain't going to fix this one. The FBI ain't going to fix this. They just won't. So we don't need to expand the administrative state to fix this problem. It's a political problem. You have to understand that China hates us. They're trying to destroy us. We are their enemies. And so you start changing that
Starting point is 00:42:42 relationship. So for instance, you take your damn economy out of China. Do you think Trump could have stopped China? I think he tried with his trade deal. I mean, he basically said, look, you guys start buying more of our stuff because you're stealing our stuff, right? So that's the thing that right now people are forgetting. Biden is actually thinking about getting rid of the tariffs. But Trump actually said, look, no, the tariffs ultimately are about saying to the Chinese,
Starting point is 00:43:06 you still steal billions of dollars of our economy, our intellectual property, every year. So you're going to start paying more through these tariffs, or it's a penalty, right? So now Biden's going to get rid of them. Well, then what lesson have the Chinese learned? They can keep stealing our stuff. So my question, I suppose, was,
Starting point is 00:43:24 if Trump was working towards ending this expanding dominance of the Chinese economy and taking over our infrastructure, our manufacturing, things like that, I should say, our economic infrastructure, and the spies weren't able to stop it, but they were able to stop Trump, they effectively propped up China. They've secured our doom on the global stage. I will point out it's not China though. It is the CCP, the occupying force of that land. Actual government of China is the Republic of China located in Taiwan and they are very good terms with us right now.
Starting point is 00:43:54 What would the deep state say if China unleashed this let's just call it a virus and it went worldwide, would there be penalties? CCP. FCCC. The Chinese people are stuck under that totalitarian occupying force for real right now.
Starting point is 00:44:14 Mao seized control. But removing the economy from China, we saw during COVID how 90%, 95% of our pharmaceutical is based in China. Nothing has been done to change that. Now we look at similar geopolitics. We look at Ukraine and we say, boy, this was really bad that we import 60% of our fertilizer from Russia. Nothing will change about that.
Starting point is 00:44:36 We used to produce our own pharmaceuticals. We used to produce our own fertilizer. The whole Gulf Coast was where we got them. Why did we ever move these industries overseas? And show me one person in the Senate. And there are lots of pro-America, I hate China, I hate Russia senators, and they're all on the right. Show me one of them who is making a concerted effort to say, I don't care what the global market says, AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Merck, fertilizer, all of you have to come back to America because there is a geopolitical and national security
Starting point is 00:45:04 risk to having these critical... You want to get your olive oil from Italy? That's great. Get your cheese from France. Totally cool. But your fertilizer can't be made by your enemy, nor can your aspirin. But there is not one serious piece of legislation to bring or movement to bring all these things
Starting point is 00:45:21 back to America. None whatsoever. We'll just watch China do it again and say, wow, that was really bad. But, you know, thanks for my iPhone. So this is, maybe I'm just, to be honest, a surface level dude. I'm sitting here reading the internet thinking I know so much about, you know, geopolitics and international conflict. And I assume there's probably some CIA or FBI guy sitting in his office with all this
Starting point is 00:45:43 classified information just laughing, being like, oh, if only you really knew. Maybe that's the case. I hope. But I do. I do. Because I want to believe. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:45:52 I want to believe they're sitting there saying, like, here's why we had to do what we did because we are concerned about China taking over. We are concerned about these Uyghur camps. We're concerned about the Belt and Road Initiative. We're concerned about oil exploration in South America. But really what it feels like is Trump derangement syndrome went viral within these agencies. Trump actually was doing things that were good on foreign policy, and they stopped him. They stopped him.
Starting point is 00:46:21 And that's the problem of the deep state, the administrative state. You know what the media tries to do? They try to make you think the deep state is a cabal of people who meet below D.C. with robes on and have like a pentagram on the ceiling. No, it's just that people who get jobs – That's Hollywood. Right. That's Hollywood. What it actually is – that's why Ian brought up administrative state.
Starting point is 00:46:38 J. Edgar Hoover, man. It's people who don't get fired. They're working there for 20 years between a bunch of different presidents, and Obama gets elected. He sits down, and they say, here's what's happening, and here's our plan, and the president goes, okay, I guess. And so they just do whatever they want, as long as they want. J. Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI for 48 years, 47 some years.
Starting point is 00:46:57 He ran the country. He was running the country. 47 years he was the head of the FBI. I've never been in the FBI, but I mean, what's the power? I would imagine that power level is immense. Amen. So particularly without going into the history of the FBI, he absolutely decided the political winners and losers of this country. And that's really what happened during the 2020 and 2016 election, particularly 2016 with Hillary Clinton and Trump, right? So after Trump was elected,
Starting point is 00:47:25 you had a bunch of former CIA and FBI officials, James Comey, leaking classified information to force the appointment of a special counsel. Holy crap. I mean, this is one man, an FBI director, who decided that Trump should not be in power, not because there was actual data or information that said we had a problem, but he just didn't like the guy. So he goes to the New York Times, leaks it in order to get Bob Mueller. That is J. Edgar Hoover level stuff. And we haven't seen that in a long, long time. I foolishly believed that those dark days were over, but that showed me that no, it
Starting point is 00:47:57 ain't gone. There are still absolutely people in positions without authority and power who still do this J. Edgar Hoover stuff. The Sussman trial stuff is crazy. Yeah. We had Kash Battelle the other day and it's just shocking. The FBI knew it was bunk almost immediately.
Starting point is 00:48:12 You had apparently one guy testify that Hillary Clinton knew and signed off on the Russia gate narrative fabrication. Wow. The agent, Sussman himself who lied on the FISA warrant to get these to get the FISA warrant to get these –
Starting point is 00:48:26 Against Page. To get the FISA. So that's the same guy. It is the same level of corruption and negligence and evil and dereliction of duty on a different level, but it's the same idea as the 19 guys in Texas who stood in the hallway and listened to the gunshots. This is exactly what your mission is, and you're like, yeah, but I'm not going to do it. Like, you know this is a lie. Yeah, but I'm not going to do it.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Like, you know what your job is right now, and the oath you have taken, yeah, I'm going to do the opposite. You know, I'll tell you on one piece that in the last couple weeks I did on my podcast and talked a lot about that doesn't, I think, get enough attention. 107,000 people last year died because of fentanyl or drug overdoses.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Most of them, of the 107,000, were fentanyl. The point is most of that comes from China. Those are precursor chemicals that come from China. China knows these companies that are producing it. They know that they, in turn, are dealing with Mexican cartel members, and it's then all feeding into this country. China is killing 100- plus thousand of our people. Why are we not all like outraged that the communist government in Beijing is doing this
Starting point is 00:49:33 in concert and collaboration with Mexican cartels? It is just, it should be getting far more attention, certainly than even Ukraine. I mean, as much as that absolutely runs the risk of World War III, and I think we can talk about that as well because I think we're getting there, that issue of dead Americans in this country, especially in rural America, is so real and so painful for me personally, but for so many others, it deserves more of our attention. And that's why, because it's rural America. And we were saying to this before the show started, if the overdoses from fentanyl and Chinese opioids were Upper East Side collegiates, this would have been stopped by now.
Starting point is 00:50:11 But it's mostly rural, mostly poor, mostly hillbilly whites, and we don't really care. They targeted the farmers. Exactly. It is not a population the American government care about because they don't like them. Even their own representatives don't like them. Look for any liberal who represents a rural state who's running for office even they are ashamed of their constituency they don't care but i'm gonna tell you right now in pima county arizona where i am from if you were a kid the the thing that's going to get you in
Starting point is 00:50:38 terms of the thing that's going to kill you is fentanyl right now it's not car accidents not it is fentanyl and pima county is not a rural white hillbilly area you are right the preponderance is absolutely that is true but it's hitting communities in lots of parts
Starting point is 00:50:51 of this country black, brown it doesn't matter it is hitting our young people most especially because that shit pardon my language
Starting point is 00:50:57 is mixed up with weed or with other stuff and they're like hey let's experiment let's try and have a good time and then they end up dead because there's just
Starting point is 00:51:03 such tiny amounts of that. They end up killing you. I find it to be an extension of the opium wars. Apparently, this is when the British and other Europeans were shuffling opium into China. They were basically colonizing China in the mid-1800s. And they were like, we're going to wreck their population, make them incapable of fighting, and then we're going to conquer it and take it as another colony like what they did with India. But the Chinese eventually fought back and pushed them back to the coast and off and into Taiwan or Hong Kong or these islands. But it never ended for them.
Starting point is 00:51:31 They play the long game. Any wise regime thinks hundreds of years in the future and will never forget what people are capable of. And that's what they're doing. They're sending it into Mexico, like you said, with the cartels, using them to run it up into the country. They're destabilizing our youth. You see it in the
Starting point is 00:51:46 dysphoria movement. You see in the shootings. The pharmaceutical companies seem to be capitalizing on it. They've actually created medical fentanyl. I don't know who's in charge of AstraZeneca. Who actually prints this stuff? They're working, colluding with
Starting point is 00:52:04 the CCP. I want to talk to you guys about guns. Because I had this tweet. It's Friday, so I want to talk about my tweet. I tweeted, The government should provide all 16-year-olds with a free AR-15 after they pass firearm ed in high school. If you haven't, then once you turn 18,
Starting point is 00:52:20 you should be entitled to one free AR-15 from the government after passing a general knowledge test at the Department of Gun Services. Demand universal gun ownership now, call your member of Congress, and demand they pass this legislation. A lot of people said that I was trolling. I'm not. My point was that I saw all these memes from the left where they said, we should treat guns like we treat cars. And I was like, you think that goes only one way? They post these memes where they're like, got to get a license, got to get insurance, got to register the gun, all of that stuff. And I was like, okay, I can use that same argument, go the other direction. We allow 16 year olds to drive cars. Okay. So 16 year olds should get guns.
Starting point is 00:52:53 We also have a gun rights in the constitution. So you want to argue for universal healthcare? I'll argue for my universal demand as well. Government should pay for my guns. But let me tell you where, where the juicy part of the tweet is at. Karl Marx said, under no pretext should workers surrender their arms and ammunition. The true leftist position on guns should be an armed workforce and the government providing guns to the people. It's just simple logic. Karl Marx, right? He said, never surrender your arms and ammunition. Well, if you're a socialist, you don't think capital is going to fund the creation of these guns, do you? It's going to be the government, and they're going to provide it.
Starting point is 00:53:28 Tim, did AOC retweet this? Is that what I'm seeing? Did she like and retweet this? No, she will. That's strange. Why not? I think the only problem I have with this tweet is that I don't think getting your gun from the government is the best thing because if they really want to conquer you,
Starting point is 00:53:42 they'll make the gun have a defect and then give it to you and they know how to exploit the defect i'm not saying the only place to get the gun oh okay i'm saying you get a free one so it's a net positive and you gotta get you'll probably want to get it checked out but universal gun ownership they want to argue for universal health care i'm like okay cool well they say health care is a human right i say gun ownership is a human right right okay? Okay, well then the government can pay for it and give everybody guns. There we go. Any objections? No. Your right to own does not dictate a right to receive.
Starting point is 00:54:12 Well, of course. I agree. Sorry for the logic. I think my only question is at the 30,000 foot level, what are we considering the age of adulthood? So if it's 16, and I know you can drive at 16. Some places in rural you can get a farmer's license to drive a heavy equipment at 14. You can't go on the road, but you can drive a $500,000 combine, right? It's pretty awesome. But there's another movement, though, to move
Starting point is 00:54:36 the gun ownership age to 21. And I have a problem with voting at a certain age, but voting on something that you cannot fully own in a free society at another age. I don't want to be able to vote at 18, but I can't own something until I'm 21. There's the movement, as you were saying, to vote at 16.
Starting point is 00:54:55 So 16-year-olds are going to make law or vote for laws, but I can't fully participate in that law for five more years. So if we're going to have a real equitable society, to use their words, then if you have the right to vote on something, you must have the ability to have full participation
Starting point is 00:55:10 in that. So if we're going to make the voting age 16, then the gun age is 16, but then the draft is 16. But I don't want my 16-year-olds sending my 21-year-olds to war telling the 18-year-olds they can't have a cigarette, a beer, or a gun. So something is wrong. If we're going to say the age of adulthood now is 21 and we are a very immature society, then it's 21 across the board. I have a darker interpretation of their desire for a 16-year-old voting age. Well, they're stupid. No offense to them listening. It's not just stupidity.
Starting point is 00:55:39 It's if you're an adult at 16, that means you can do more than vote. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's a slippery slope. At what point can you have sex with a 35-year-old, you know, 16 now? What are they trying to do? This is why when they try and lower the age of adulthood in a variety of ways, I'm kind of like, what are you really doing? When you look at what's going on in these schools, you know, the grooming, and I see these memes from these liberals on Facebook where they desperately try to conflate the grooming argument with banning books and it's just like i see this meme and it's you know they want to ban books and there's like an old man with a mag hat yelling and i was like
Starting point is 00:56:14 i think they were concerned about the graphic depictions of adult activities in those books that were available to children if you're defending that yeah and and you're doing it out of ignorance or it's willful, then either way the outcome is the same. When you come out and then say kids should be participating in governance at 16, it's like you're creating a threshold for which we reduce the age of adulthood. Look, I don't know if 18, where that number comes about because it certainly 200 years ago was, you know, you were 13, you're considered a man or whatever. I don't know if I agree with that. 18 kind of feels okay. You know, gun ownership and all these things. For everything, yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:52 You can be under 18 and have a gun if your parents take responsibility for it in most places, like in Wisconsin and stuff like that. I mean, you know, growing up, family farm, we hunted, you know, from when I was a very young boy, but that was part of our culture. We were taught how to use a firearm, respect a firearm. And so it's this idea that a 16-year-old couldn't or a 14-year-old couldn't use a firearm and be taught how to use it thoughtfully. It's bizarre to me because I grew up in that culture.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Yeah, so I was shooting from the time I was like 10 years old. My dad took us. We had like a little shooting range in our back 40 probably not really on on par with what the law wanted but my dad taught us how to use it he taught us how to be safe with it he said i'll give you a dollar if you ever see the end of this gun while i'm holding it and of course he never gave us a dollar because we never saw it and we understood how important that was yeah but somebody on twitter earlier today i forget who it was i'm tweeted, how many of these mass shooters were young boys raised by fathers who taught them how to hunt? It's a very valid question. I don't think any of them ever have been.
Starting point is 00:57:52 They have no dads. Of course not. Yeah, it's very sad. So that's why when I, in the days after these shootings and we hear Congress stand up and say we need to pass this law or that law, this is the stuff, this is the conversation that we need to have as a country, understanding who these individuals are, their families, the dynamics, the health, mental health, all that, because you are so right. And whoever tweeted that, bravo to them, because that's spot on. Yeah. And I remember thinking, I actually had this conversation before I left the healthcare field with one of my coworkers,
Starting point is 00:58:22 and his dad wasn't really involved in his life. And there was a shooting. And I was like, this is terrible. But, man, I think one of the things that all of these shooters have in common is that they don't have dads. And he's like, what? That's weird. I really have to think about that. He's like, that's a super hot take.
Starting point is 00:58:35 I'm like, I think it's true. Sorry. I'm afraid. It's a couple things. It's a dad to sit down with you and say, son, you need to understand responsibility and what it means to have obligations to your community. And it's also the moment when the dad bops you on the head and says, that was dumb. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:58:50 Being stupid. He's a strong leader. A dad to be like, how are you feeling? Yeah. Are you okay? Yeah. Maybe like a dad who's got long hair and is like a hippie with a bunch of crystals. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Maybe he used to smoke weed in his 20s. Yeah. A bunch of crystals. Yeah, maybe use a smoke weed. But the point here is that I think that this conversation is just as valid as, hey, what about magazine limitations? What about the type of weapon? What about the age that we should give children up? I think this conversation is just as important, if not more important. But you hear also oftentimes from the left, they will say, oh, here are the right, here are the conservatives go again talking about family issues and about – knock it off. Come on. It's absolutely – it should be part of the conversation.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Well, we should have a magazine limit. I really do think so. They shouldn't – we should limit them to – they cannot be lower than 30. It can't be at least, yeah. I knew there was a caveat there. I saw the tail on the face. Here it comes. If we're going to look at society – Yes, yeah. I knew there was a caveat there. I saw the tail on the face. Here it comes. If we're going to look at society for the last four generations or so,
Starting point is 00:59:52 so from like the baby boomers on, and we're going to say that gun violence, gun school shootings are now the anomaly. Well, we have to look at that in context, right? And that's just all they want to look at is like, wow, suddenly gun, there are incidents of shootings at schools. Therefore, it's a gun problem. Well, what else is happening concurrently, right?
Starting point is 01:00:10 I mean, you can't just take one statistic and then isolate it. And when you look at everything else that's happening, clearly fatherlessness is a huge problem. Sexual perversion is a huge problem. What I love about Libs of TikTok, which is why they got banned from Twitter, is I just wish you would find some liberal teachers who are so enthusiastic about math and science as they are about their genitals. Yeah. Indeed.
Starting point is 01:00:33 These teachers make nonstop videos about telling their kids, and I told my girl, and it's like, do you ever talk to them about reading? Right? So if you look at, again, all these millions of statistics of five generations,
Starting point is 01:00:47 you can't just look at the shootings and say, wow, that's an anomaly. It's a gun problem. There's lots of other things that are spiking. And if you say that, well, they're not happening, there's no correlation, then you're just a liar or you're politically motivated. The sexual perversion stuff is a huge problem. You mentioned the grooming stuff. I mean, we have hardcore drag
Starting point is 01:01:08 shows in children's second grade classroom and we're supposed to pretend this is normal? Quite frankly, and this is going to sound hard and I don't want it to come out the wrong way, I'm surprised there are not more school shootings because our kids are so
Starting point is 01:01:24 messed up in the head. They're told boys can get pregnant. They have tampons in their bathroom. They play on girls' teams. These kids are so confused with everything. And then their teachers don't even want to talk about English and math. They want to talk about their dating lives. And in case anyone out there starts to text, you do know I am married to a guy.
Starting point is 01:01:45 So I technically am in the community. It's a community I hate. It's alphabet soup that is degenerative, that drives me insane. But we have to talk about these things. The way the oppression Olympics go, you're out, Dan. I'm not a good one. Yeah. You're out, Dan. I'm not a good one. Yeah. You're a white man. But I mean, there's a role for me to play in this because you, a lot of people, you cis people can't have these conversations. The cisgender people can't. You are cis.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Am I cis? Yes. Oh, crap. What does cis mean? Not trans. Not trans. So Ian and I... Oh, good.
Starting point is 01:02:20 I am cis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew I was somewhat... What's up, cis? What you mean to say is cis het. Yeah, not cis het. Cis gender heteronormative. You are not heteronormative.
Starting point is 01:02:30 None of those things are real. I will, right? I thought I was Irish. Virtual reality. All these different words. I don't even know what they mean. They don't even have meaning. People create them.
Starting point is 01:02:41 They don't have meaning. I got no problem with that, to be honest. That's how language evolves. Yeah, language evolves. If a group of, yeah, language evolves. If a group of people are like, if someone isn't trans, what are they? They call it cis. It's like a math thing. I'm like, yo, I literally don't care what words you use as long as
Starting point is 01:02:54 we're effectively conveying ideas to each other. But the problem is it's not just the creation of new words, it's the corruption of existing words. Like racism. That's been a huge problem for a long time as to what racism really means. Now, people can come out and say
Starting point is 01:03:09 cis and trans and whatever, and I'm like, as long as I understand you, we can have a conversation. But we don't understand each other anymore. Ricky Gervais is being cancelled from Netflix because of his transphobic jokes. They're not transphobic. They're jokes about trans people. They're jokes about Polish people. They're jokes about Catholics. But he didn't get booted, did he? They were threatening transphobic. They're jokes about trans people. They're jokes about Polish people. They're jokes about Catholics.
Starting point is 01:03:25 But he didn't get booted, did he? They were threatening to pull him. I'm sure Netflix can't afford to have any more problems. Netflix fired their diversity people. I'm pretty sure he's safe. He's safe. But I mean, it's not a transphobic joke. It's a joke about trans people.
Starting point is 01:03:39 And if you're getting made fun of, welcome to the frigging club. I remember talking to a Mormon when Book of Mormon came out, and he was saying that he found it very offensive, Book of Mormon. I was like, as a Catholic, let me tell you, it's about damn time someone else's religion was made fun of by mainstream culture. So welcome to being like everyone else. That's what he said. Ricky Gervais said he thinks trans people should have rights and be treated like everyone else,
Starting point is 01:04:04 and that's why he's going to make fun of them that's what true equality is it is it means if everybody is equal then everybody is fair game for being mocked I talked about this a little bit on Pop Culture Crisis a couple days ago if a soldier loses a limb in the military
Starting point is 01:04:20 in a war or something you don't smash people for. You don't like, ha-ha, you losing your, you don't smash people for what they don't have. And maybe people feel like that. They're like, I'm not normal, so you're making fun of my non-normalcy and that's really getting me where I can't defend myself.
Starting point is 01:04:36 I get that. But at the same, I don't like making other people the butt of my jokes. I kind of stop doing that just in general. Although, one of the things, if I can,
Starting point is 01:04:45 so I have hung out with a ton of guys in the military who have lost arms and legs because of Iraq and Afghanistan. And I've also hung out with tons of guys who are in the military and they're gay or we have lesbian service members, whatever it may be. The way that you know that you are in with that group is when somebody makes a crack at you. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 01:05:05 I was with about 15 guys at Black Rifle Coffee Company. Most of those guys that they hire have lost limbs. Some of those guys, when they walk in, they'll be like, their legs, their arms are really loud and noisy because they're half fucking robots, right? The point is that they will make fun of each other about like, hey, quiet down, man. You're rude. We're trying to have a conversation, right? And he's like, sorry, it's my knee. But they fun of each other about like hey quiet down man you're rude we're trying to have a conversation bro and he's like sorry it's my knee you know but they'll give each other a hard time and it's this beautiful moment of like you know that you you are in a family a brotherhood by just telling good jokes about each other there's a really great
Starting point is 01:05:37 wojack meme where it's a guy is leaving and he's like see you later dickheads and they're like screw off you know a-hole and then it's like f you and then as soon as he's gone they're like that's a cool dude yeah he's great then it shows the women oh god and no one's like bye honey love you you're so sweet see you soon and then as soon as she's gone what a bitch that's why i don't that's why i have fewer females friends i think but i wanted to say too that it does feel great when somebody makes a joke with you about something that maybe you can't even change that you're just like oh yeah that's actually pretty funny and i feel now like i'm part of your in group it's very valuable it's important so much of it oh sorry to interrupt there at the end i wanted to capitalize on what
Starting point is 01:06:15 you were saying it's the delivery like if you can deliver it in a in emotionally in a loving way then it's received in a loving way but when it it's in text, no one can sense. Amen. And they'll take Gervais' jokes and they'll put them in text and be like, look how horrible. Yes. Yeah. And the performance has a full arc. How did he get to that point? There was a segue. They cut all that out and they just take the sentence and they're like.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Context. But I just love how all the hit pieces against Ricky Gervais are literally what he was complaining about. Yeah. love how all the hit pieces against ricky gervais are literally what he was complaining about yeah he was actually talking about the woke cancel culture and how they're demanding special privileges because they don't want to be made fun of but he was like but everybody is is equal so we're all gonna be made fun of and then they write articles saying he's a transphobe and he's violent and he's dangerous absolutely absurd yeah but i mean the alphabet soup, which is really run by just communists, like all minority groups in activism right now, you can't have it both ways. You can't say this immutable characteristic makes us so special and so unique and so different that we have to celebrate it, but we also want to get treated like everybody else. If you want to get treated like everybody else, that stinks. Because when you're treated like everybody else,
Starting point is 01:07:25 you're standing in line. We all want the Emerald Club status at the airport so that we can bypass all the lines and we can have a fancy drink. But equality is not fun. So the alphabet two people, we want our special,
Starting point is 01:07:41 and God, it's almost June 1, and then I have a whole freaking month. Don't worry, Don't worry. Flip your Ukraine flag and put up your rainbow flag. Just unfollow all the brands and follow the Saudi Arabian ones and you're good.
Starting point is 01:07:56 That's his life hack. I love it. You said something earlier, Daniel, I thought was really interesting where you said you were almost surprised that there weren't more shootings. I am. I don't want to take away too much from where we were headed with the jokes and Ricky Gervais because I love this conversation. But I've had that same thought. Like, why is it not?
Starting point is 01:08:10 But then I'm thinking about people driving on the road and how so many people drive past each other all day on the road over and over these thousands or hundreds of miles, 140 miles difference, 70-70, and they don't hit each other because they don't want to. And most people don't want to hurt each other. It's very, very, very rare, and it's more of an aberration on these kids that's causing it. So I'm actually not surprised that they're trying not – people don't want that.
Starting point is 01:08:35 That's like a desperation tactic. Look at the tribal conflicts. It can reach a point. So Northern Ireland, for instance. I remember I was getting a tour of Northern Ireland and there's like a memorial for when a group of guys went and shot and killed another group of guys. And on one side of town, they're like, these guys were heroes.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Another side of town, like these guys were villains. And it's just like, there was no reason to do that. They didn't earn or gain anything. It was just pure tribalism. You can look at the literal tribalism with what we've seen in Africa where one day one tribe goes out and starts beating and killing the other tribe for almost no reason. Just the hatred within them.
Starting point is 01:09:10 When you start to see some of these tweets where there was one guy who said, I wish all Republicans get cancer and die excruciating deaths, it's getting scary. It's getting to this point where you turn on the TV and you know MSNBC is not even trying to talk to you. But, I mean, even we do it. We know there's a group of people who don't care to watch us or even listen to what we have to say, so we just eventually tune them out. But this creates separate spaces, which is ripe for developing a hatred more and more for the opponent, for the other. And that's the problem with a lot of our elected leaders. And, you know, Biden is president right now. So you can say, well, you tell me Trump was president. That's a hypothetical.
Starting point is 01:09:49 Biden is president. And he had his moment after this shooting to say something. And what he chose was nothing but division and attacking his political enemies. He did not offer the slightest sense of healing, of sorrow. He didn't even evoke the names and memories of these kids and talk about, you know, just an evil in society. He talked about the NRA and he talked about Republicans who won't pass comments. He resurrected 40-year-old talking points.
Starting point is 01:10:16 It might have been the election of 1976, right? And so I agree with you. You know, we are falling into these rival camps. But if our leaders don't start, I want to pull up this tweet thread from Zach Seward, who is the editor-in-chief at Quartz, who posted one of the most deceptive, falsely framed
Starting point is 01:10:35 articles I've ever seen. Such a lie. It's a really good example of the problems we face. Before I start this by criticizing the mainstream media for lying to you, I want to point out that there absolutely are conspiracy theorists and lunatics and cult members on the right. They exist. Sure. But they're not VC funded.
Starting point is 01:10:51 They don't have investors who are giving them all of this money. There are some small right-wing outlets, conservative outlets that do get funding, but they're not nearly as bad as this. They wrote a story. We ordered the same gun used in Uvalde. Here's how easy it was. He says, it was just like ordering groceries.
Starting point is 01:11:08 Click, check out, done. He's getting roasted for this. Seriously. Because while in the piece it does mention you have to go through a background check and all that stuff, the way they frame it is incredible. Take a look at this.
Starting point is 01:11:18 He says, at no time were we asked for proof of age or of a clean criminal record, both of which are legally required to buy a firearm. That will happen when we pick up the gun at our local licensed dealer. That's right. The headline is everything.
Starting point is 01:11:32 Here's how easy it was. They're trying to convince you. Not only that, but he goes on to say it was an assault rifle. He says, some people don't know how easy it is to go online and buy an assault rifle. He didn't buy one, though. He did not buy an assault rifle. He didn't buy one, though. He did not buy an assault rifle. It's just a misrepresentation,
Starting point is 01:11:49 and this is what leads people who are traditional liberal or trusting in the news into believing wrong information. So what this tells me is he's not actually interested in having a thoughtful conversation. It's about an agenda. So very clearly this is about creating this drumbeat, this hysteria to ban not just this gun, but really all guns, right?
Starting point is 01:12:09 So it's a war then on guns. And if, in fact, that's the idea, then the question becomes, particularly from that outlet that we know is a lefty outlet, why do they want to remove all guns? Is it really just about trying to save the kids in school? I'm not so sure that's true. I think most people would say there's probably another agenda here. So that kind of headline, by the way, we know that Americans rarely read down into an article. I think that is around 60% or 70% of people only read the headline.
Starting point is 01:12:37 And then the remainder of that is only the first paragraph. So I think 3% or 5% of people actually read the whole story. So these folks know that. I want to give a shout-out to a journalist. This is a story I did. I covered just almost three years ago from Business Insider. This journalist wrote, I tried to buy a gun at Walmart twice, and roadblocks left me empty-handed both times. This was actually a good story, and I give credit to this journalist.
Starting point is 01:13:01 She had misconceptions about what buying a gun was like. She went to a Walmart and said, I'm going to see what happens. And when she got roadblocked, she wrote that she was. Good for her. This is like one of the biggest segments I've ever done. It's got 2.7 million views. I'm surprised. But I didn't criticize her and mock her.
Starting point is 01:13:18 I was like, this is great. A reporter actually decided to investigate what it's like to get guns because they weren't familiar with it. And they were honest with their audience about not being able to buy one. That's the reality. The shocking thing about Quartz is that there are two dozen outlets just like that, right, between Quartz and Axios and Mother Jones. And you just go on and on and on. And they're all the same.
Starting point is 01:13:43 And they're all funded by basically the same venture capitalist lefty ideologue billionaires. They all have the same agenda. They're all intermarried, right, which is weird. They all know each other, kind of like the one conspiracy. Not a conspiracy. The one thought is who the leaker is at the Supreme Court document when went through of, you know, who's married to who and who was a bridesmaid at who's wedding. They all know each other.
Starting point is 01:14:08 It's a caste system. There are very few outlets on the right of this side. There are a couple, right? We know them. The Beacon, The Daily Caller, they're great publications but they're paltry in number compared to the left. And you look at the funding that goes into these
Starting point is 01:14:23 left-wing Democrat or whatever publications, hundreds of millions of dollars, and then you look at right-wing publications who sometimes get some funding but not really. What was that CIA program where they were working directly with media? Was that Mockingbird? Yeah, I think it is. There's two of them, I'm pretty sure. I thought you were going to ask me about the time that we operated on the cat
Starting point is 01:14:44 and the cat was going to be actually a listening device. Did it survive? That's another one. Is that true? That's a real thing. That is true. They tried. We did that.
Starting point is 01:14:51 People love cats. I'm sorry. They let them into their bed at night. I'm so sorry. They tried implanting a microphone in the cat? Yes. So this is what they did. They actually put the listening device in the ear, and then they used the antenna,
Starting point is 01:15:01 and they built another part in the back, kind of in between the shoulders. And what they did is they took the cat because, hey, it's just a cat. It's innocuous. And they took the cat and they set it next to two gentlemen to test it on a park bench. I know what happened, I think. And unfortunately Kitty Kitty did not stay there on the park bench
Starting point is 01:15:18 to listen. He's another cat. So the cat ran, unfortunately, in front of a taxi cab. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. The cat didn't want to be part of it. Nope.
Starting point is 01:15:29 Good for the cat. The cat did not survive. The ultimate sacrifice. The cat did the honorable thing. You can't force a cat to join the deep state. No, you can't. You can't. They are individuals.
Starting point is 01:15:38 No. But speaking of Mockingbird, which I brought up, what the heck? This is from 1948. I i mean this has been going on for a long time the cia basically right after formation was like we got to control the media it's not just mockingbird we talked about this with luke uh rickowski if we are changed there was something that happened in the 70s where a senator i think came out and said the cia is working directly at these news outlets yeah do you i don't know if it was mockingbird well so there was a huge dust up throughout the 70ss where basically the House and the Senate were like,
Starting point is 01:16:08 you guys are doing way too much in the CIA, and they had committee hearings. Frank Church was one of the senators from Idaho. And there were others. They looked into this, and the CIA director, they called him on the carpet, both overtly, that is to say, out in public and behind the curtain. And like, you guys are killing way too many people uh without authorization and you're a bunch of cowboys and some of these programs that you're talking about were part of that conversation that we need to rein you in because we've given you too much power and y'all are abusing it and it's not just you the cia it's the president and all the president's men
Starting point is 01:16:41 as it were who were like hey you know with military, we can't do certain things, but we can use this tool at the CIA and we can have them go kill various people or foment uprising, etc. Right. Or, yes, the media piece we can start to control and manipulate. And so, again, it gets back to this. If you give people power, some percentage of them are going to abuse it. But if you give them a whole bunch of power, it is game on in terms of your country. And that's really, for me, in the past five, ten years, has completely changed my understanding of giving so much power to the CIA or NSA or FBI. They will abuse it. They have abused it. And we've got to pull that back both in terms of the size and the authorities because they have too much.
Starting point is 01:17:18 Still a lot of great people doing great work at those places. But you give them too much power and you're going to have these problems. And our country is in trouble because of it. Yeah, I think a lot about the people because I speak a lot of crap about the administrative state and how it's overblown. But I think the people, the other night I was like, I don't want to hurt these people. Not that the horseback riders in 1902, I mean, the automobile was coming. They still lost their jobs.
Starting point is 01:17:42 I don't want to see these people lose their gigs. And the problem is when they're the ones that control the assassination attempts so anyone that's going to try and unseat them from their gig is a is real threat it has a big like yo you don't want to anger people that control the button like basically but if it is i mean you think we'd be better better off without these organizations i think of the i think of the fed of the Fed in Michigan who's doing a covert op and he's on a chat room with some guy who's like, I hate Governor Whitman. I think we should assassinate him.
Starting point is 01:18:12 And he's like, let's plan the kidnapping. And then they're having meetings and then all of a sudden, at no point are people like, wait a second, we're actually going to plan to kidnap the governor just to trap this one looter? Aren't we taking this a little too far, guys? You know, they're ordering vans, and someone's going to Hertz, and they're picking up a rope, and it's like, I think we're getting a little too excited about kidnapping the governor, guys.
Starting point is 01:18:34 I know we want to catch this bad dude, but this is getting a little crazy. So at what point does, yeah, when you said they need to be reined in, I think that's an example of reining it in. And it kind of strikes me bizarre that no one in the hierarchy was like, I think you guys need to slow down the kidnapping plan. This is a little crazy. Would it look more like if it was reining in? Would it be like this NSA no longer exists? What was the NSA form?
Starting point is 01:18:59 2000? 2001? Was it after 9-11? Or has it been around longer than that? It's been around longer. But, yeah, look, here's where I come down on this. I think it's absolutely reasonable based on what we have seen over the past 10-plus years, certainly since the 2016 election.
Starting point is 01:19:12 It's reasonable for people to say the intelligence community has grown too big and too powerful. Just like it did back in the 1970s, we need to remove some of the authorities. We need to have more oversight because we recognize that there might be a need for collection of foreign intelligence to understand what our adversaries are doing. Fine.
Starting point is 01:19:31 Or a domestic law enforcement capacity. We need to find some bad guys here in the country. Fine. But it's gotten too big and there's too much power and we need to pull that back in. And that happens
Starting point is 01:19:42 after we have the House and the Senate. If they actually functioned, they would do the investigations into that to figure out how bad the problem is. And then we figure out how deeply we have to rein it in. Absent a functional Congress, that's when the American media is supposed to do the work, do that investigative work to expose some of this stuff.
Starting point is 01:20:01 But when you have a media that is so in the tank for folks, particularly on the left, what's their incentive to actually get to the bottom of some of this stuff. But when you have a media that is so in the tank for folks, particularly on the left, what's their incentive to actually get to the bottom of some of these abuses? There's no outside function right now that's keeping power in check. The House, the Senate, nope. The President, nope. Our media, nope. That's the problem of this moment. And I think it's compounded by the fact that, no offense, you all seem to be really bad at your job. I mean, in the sense that it's like, you know, our intelligence shows that, you know, Afghanistan will stand on its own.
Starting point is 01:20:32 No. Our intelligence shows that Kiev will fall within three days. No. It's like our intelligence shows, like, do you guys have anything right? Like, is there anything that is accurate? Okay, so first of all, totally fair. So on my podcast, President's Daily Brief, we covered this. We talked about this.
Starting point is 01:20:48 You as taxpayers are paying billions and billions of dollars to the intelligence community to act on your behalf. You should be asking questions if they're falling short. So that's fair. I want to pull up this article from Army Times. Foreboding Army PSYOPs recruitment video shows who's pulling the strings. A lot of people were bringing this up to us saying it was a really, really creepy video. I want to play it. It is a little long, but I've not seen it.
Starting point is 01:21:13 But Daniel was just bringing up that the CIA, their intelligence agencies, get so much wrong. And I wonder, are they really getting it wrong or are they just trying to manipulate you? Perhaps you assume that they're a bunch of bumbling, slipping on banana peels, and maybe that's what they want you to think. Because Sun Tzu had quotes about this, right? When you're strong, make your enemy believe you are weak. When you're weak, make your enemy believe you are strong. So I've never seen this.
Starting point is 01:21:38 I don't know if we can play the full thing, but we'll play Ghosts in the Machine, a controversial psychological operations advertisement from the army. Does that sound good? Nice. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. That sounds like Sun Tzu. Pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant. You see?
Starting point is 01:21:54 My man. Sun Tzu. All right. This is getting pretty creepy. Love that guy. Oh, clowns. Strong start. Have you ever wondered?
Starting point is 01:22:09 No. Who's pulling the strings? Wolves hiding nearby. Born from the ashes. Is that the emblem of the psychological operation of some? A world at war? You'll find us in the shadows hmm this is inspiring at the tip of the spear
Starting point is 01:22:52 a threat rises in the east what the hell is this Russia invades Ukraine it's pretty new yeah this is from earlier this month. Warfare is evolving. Who put this out? This is the fourth PSYOP group.
Starting point is 01:23:13 And all the world's a stage. Yo, this is creepy! It's like a movie. Shakespeare. There is another very important phase of warfare. It has as its target not the body, but the mind of the enemy. The target of psychological warfare is against the enemy's mind. It is words and ideas.
Starting point is 01:23:37 Ammunition used by cyborgs. Anything we touch is a weapon. Its mission is to influence the thoughts of the enemy's thoughts. anything we touch is a weapon we can deceive persuade change influence inspire and sympathetic understanding of all phases of human experience. Gripping at my skin the walls of night
Starting point is 01:24:09 closing. We come in many forms but the use of this force as an integral part of combat has now taken on new form. We are everywhere. That's what they want you to think. Seven score. That's what they want you to think. I said it was cool. A feeling in the dark.
Starting point is 01:24:55 A message in the stars. Ghosts in the machine. What are we? Psywar. What the we? Psy War. What the heck? What is this? Is this really it? Who put that together? Army Psy Ops Recruitment Video.
Starting point is 01:25:15 That's what they're saying. Really? I don't want to fact check that. That's interesting. So I can respond to that silliness. Okay. It's all fake. It's all boring. Oh, my God. Okay. It's all fake. It's all boring.
Starting point is 01:25:26 Oh, my God. Okay, a couple of things. I would join. Right. I feel like you already did. So I'll tell you, we get by, that is to say, in the intelligence community, folks get by with this kind of stuff. Everybody thinks that Intel people are 10 feet tall and they're scary and amazing. They can do anything they want. James Bond.
Starting point is 01:25:44 But I'm telling you, that ain't how it is. All right. I, and I can share this story with you. I was looking to work with our group of folks who go out into the world and hire NOCs, right? Those are people that we would never officially recognize as intelligence officers. And I asked our NOC hiring officials, what do you look for? And she said to me, we don't look for the F students, obviously, or the D students, as it were, sort of A, B, C, D, F, the grades, right?
Starting point is 01:26:15 D or F students, those kids don't work. But we can't hire A and B because they're too good and smart, and they don't want to put up with the bureaucratic baloney that this place has. So what we have to try to find is like a good solid C plus student. That's me. You serve... Well, I'll put in a good word for you. Since I'm still a fed. I think it actually is just like the movies
Starting point is 01:26:38 because I've seen a lot of Burn Notice and you do look and talk like Michael Weston. Is that right? So they want people that are not so adherent and you do look and talk like Michael Weston. Is that right? Okay. It doesn't matter what I say. It doesn't matter what I say. So they want people that are not so adherent to authority that they'll get A's and B's because that's what they're told to do,
Starting point is 01:26:50 but they're not so stupid that they can't follow along, that they're willing to join, but they're also willing to betray. A and B students are after, they have ambition, but they want efficiency. They want accomplishments. You can go out into the private sector and earn a ton want accomplishments. You can go out into the
Starting point is 01:27:05 private sector and earn a ton of money. You can go be successful as your A and B students, but your C plus student, they tend to struggle more in life. So you need somebody that isn't quite tip of the spear, as that video just said. But that shouldn't be true, by the way. We should want A students and B students working for our government because we want efficiency. We want smarts. We want the best we can get. So I don't buy that video because of that, having been on the inside. But I understand why people might think that that's true. The only other quick caveat I'd add is there is one part of me that loves that because when I was out as an officer, I was meeting with a source and he was like,
Starting point is 01:27:45 why aren't you taking notes? I'm telling you all these great and amazing things. Well, I didn't need to. I was able to capture it. And he paused. He's like, wait a minute. I've seen the movies. Do you have a microphone in your shoe?
Starting point is 01:27:57 And I was like, I do. He was like, oh, this is so cool. Burn Notice was a cool show man one of my favorite scenes is when you guys have seen Burn Notice right? negative no you've never seen it? it's so good
Starting point is 01:28:12 so it's this former CIA contractor and he's always trying to he's basically a contractor now for private individuals trying to help the little guy and he explains to you how he does things and why and it's fascinating so he's like he's trying to scare a bad guy so he takes things and why and it's fascinating so he's like he's trying to scare
Starting point is 01:28:26 a bad guy so he takes a cell phone tapes it to a box and then runs the power cable to the wall to make him think there's a bomb
Starting point is 01:28:32 and he was like that's like the psychological manipulation stuff so that's what that show does I love that show that show is amazing so what I will tell you that this contracting thing
Starting point is 01:28:40 is actually really important so we just watch this is the army is trying to convince everybody that they're the 10-foot monster. If you want to talk about power and the authority to influence and persuade,
Starting point is 01:28:50 that power does not sit within the military and it doesn't sit within the CIA. It sits in Hollywood. It sits in New York and in D.C. in terms of those media operating rooms
Starting point is 01:28:59 deciding what the editorial line for the day is going to be, what the American people need to think about. It's the people who write the headlines knowing that 70, 80% of people don't read the story, for the day is going to be, what the American people need to think about. It's the people who write the headlines, knowing that 70%, 80% of people don't read the story, just the headline. That's your power.
Starting point is 01:29:10 And if you want to shape an agenda, if you want to push people into believing something, that's where you spend your time and your money. It ain't in some whiz-bang CIA operation that's propaganda, which, by the way, that was good back in the 50s, and it's not so great now. But anyway, that's where your power is. One thing about the video, if we could ask your huge followers,
Starting point is 01:29:28 I feel like I'm pretty well-traveled in this country. I can't think of what city has bright orange subway cars. So if all of your followers right now, if you could be like, oh, yeah, that's the subway in Delaware. I showed it twice, and I'm like, I know America pretty well. I grew up in New York City. I know subways well. I can't think, so if anyone out there.
Starting point is 01:29:50 It's not so much the color or the shape of them. Maybe it wasn't an American city, but I will say I learned something in my quest to purchase Times Square billboards. You can actually buy an entire train
Starting point is 01:29:58 and put whatever you want on it. Let's do that. Yeah. I would just love to think that the army used like the subway of Amsterdam for a recruitment video.
Starting point is 01:30:09 I've been thinking a lot about using the media like you were saying to I guess manipulate is the word, not whatever. Sounds like people are saying someone's at Japan.
Starting point is 01:30:16 Oh, interesting. Maryland. I saw Denmark. People are just saying whatever. Nah, they're just saying whatever. It's all the same nonsense. But like how do you use the media to please everyone?
Starting point is 01:30:24 And I know you can't please everyone all the time, Abraham Lincoln quote. But I want to really make the world better and create new technologies like running fresh water, solar-powered heat, things that will make us more resilient as a species, make people laugh, make people relax. Like even the head of the CIA and Kim Jong-un want to laugh and relax a little bit. But I've also got to make sure people have enough food. I don't know if there's people that actually want to starve the population so that it grows slower. You hear about Bill Gates talking about reducing the growth rate. And I don't know if there are people that really want that, which seems crazy.
Starting point is 01:31:02 But other than that, do you think we could actually use the media? I mean, that it's possible? Well, look, are there people in this world who have a particular agenda for an environmental issue or the global population or whatever, and then they use their money to affect that outcome? Damn straight. I mean, we have foundations in this country, all over the world, in fact, but the United States have a massive number of private family foundations that chase after
Starting point is 01:31:28 whatever their own family's goals might be. Okay, so it's not, it wouldn't be a wild assumption to hear or an argument to hear somebody say, this family or this person really gets excited about X issue. Now they're really going to change all of our lives just because they and their big money want to change it. So absolutely there's precedent for that. Every day we've got it. The second piece, though, tell me again. It's more of like, I don't know. I'm asking if it's possible.
Starting point is 01:31:54 I mean, I know you don't have the answer, but do you think it's possible to fix this planet, bring people together, like all of us together? Yeah, and I'll tell you what. Real quick, sorry to interrupt. Watching the ad, there's an advertisement, and it looks to be in German. Oh, interesting. So then it was made by the army. In the subway. So we're talking that was the German army that was putting that out?
Starting point is 01:32:14 That's a heck of a lot better than our army ads. That's how good the psychological warfare is. It's meta. They kept showing the Statue of Liberty. That's why I was like, they're trying to make you think it's New York, but that's not New York. Let's be really honest for a second. Europe's military is a joke. Come on.
Starting point is 01:32:29 In Ukraine, do you recall when things were bubbling up? What did Germany offer the Ukrainians? 5,000 helmets. Get out of here. Their military is absolutely hollowed out. So anyway, that's ridiculous. But I will tell you, in terms of the media stuff, how can we shape? How can we encourage?
Starting point is 01:32:47 How do we grow as a people, as a country, as a species, whatever it might be? No joke, and I'm not saying it because I'm here. It's this. These kinds of shows are where it happens because what you do is you encourage people to think for themselves and to think critically. You give them information and you say, hey, look, here's my bias. Here's what I think. Here's the data that supports my argument. But I'll tell you what, your call. You decide. It's up to you. That's what we have to encourage each other to do. That's what I do on my podcast. That's what you all do here on this show every day.
Starting point is 01:33:23 That's how we shape the world. We now control the information. We put it out there. And if people trust us, not just because, oh, they seem smart, but they know that day in and day out when we talk to them, we say, here's the data, you decide. Here's why it's important to you, but it's your call. Then people are less like, what are you trying to do to me? What are you trying to get me to buy? What are you trying to manipulate me to think? All I'm doing is saying, here's the information. Here's what I think, but y'all make the call. Well, that's what's so fascinating about then the role of tech, right? So here's the data. You make the decision. I work in the environmental and energy space, and here's the data. So you don't believe in climate change. I'm deplatformed from Facebook. You're not allowed to be a
Starting point is 01:34:00 climate denier on Facebook. And you say, well, I'm not denying anything. I'm just saying here's a set of facts that need to be discussed, not on our platform because you don't care. And what you just said, sometimes you strike me that you say some of the sweetest, most humanitarian things. And you said, make the world a better place and give solar heat and clean water. You know where they didn't discuss any of that sentiment if if you paid attention the last couple of days, was Davos. All those world leaders gathered and they talked about what we will do. Oh, there's the photos of that. I had to know. Confirmed?
Starting point is 01:34:34 Germany? Berlin? It's Berlin. Did we know that the German army was joining our PSYOPs group? I don't know why we wasn't US. You know who was the last one that made it join the german army ed i'm just saying not too soon they went they bought stock footage they did they bought some footage it seemed like a subway subway car uh yeah from getty images but
Starting point is 01:34:59 but anyway your sentiment of how do we find solutions to the problems that will make the world a better, more peaceful, more healthy, more prosperous place at the individual level. You looked at those yahoos in Davos and all they did was talk about what can we do to make them obey. How do we cut countries off the global monetary and banking system if they won't vaccinate their people and everyone claps. And John Kerry, how do we punish people that will vaccinate their people and everyone claps and John Kerry how do we punish people that will not accept climate change and everyone claps that whole thing
Starting point is 01:35:29 should have been we should have built a wall around Davos and forced them to live there and given them some primitive weapons and hunger games we gotta hit super chats
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Starting point is 01:35:52 and then we'll go back to the beginning. But Catman says, Tim, I listen on Spotify normally. You should put something to mark the ads. Around the 27-minute mark talking about death penalty,
Starting point is 01:36:02 your ad read started with, I'd like to know where my meat comes from. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Whoa. Well, you know, that's how it works. We cannot control that. I'm sorry. That's great. All right. Spiro Floropolis says,
Starting point is 01:36:13 sources say.online Tim's word queue idea is in beta mode. If anybody at Timcast wants access to try it, please reach me. I've emailed Spin the UFO before, or tell me who and how to contact to give access. I don't understand that. I'll explain it to you. Do you want to check the Spin the UFO for Spiro Floropolis?
Starting point is 01:36:31 Yeah, I can. So I've been having this thing, you know, ranting about Wikipedia, how we should sue them. You can't. Wikipedia can create a defamatory article, but because it's community generated, no one can be sued. You can't sue Wikipedia because they're protected by Section 230. You can't sue the individual editor because they don't make a complete statement. If an editor writes, Daniel Turner raises sheep or lamb. That's true, right?
Starting point is 01:37:00 Okay, you can't sue that person. What if someone then goes in and changes raises to you know what he's gonna say oh boy brutalizes yes that's definitely not true they never said you did they added one word you can't sue someone for saying one word uh it's not defamation you can argue it is because of the place they put it in but they can be like i just put in a single word i didn't i didn't do anything mean, so who do you sue? I think the closest argument you can get to is, well, because of all the other words that were there,
Starting point is 01:37:31 you're the one who completed the statement by changing the word, technically that person, but they never actually said anything, so it's arguable. And I've talked to lawyers about this. They're like, I don't know who you sue. You can't sue anybody, I guess. So the idea for this program is we will create an article. We'll title it Nancy Pelosi.
Starting point is 01:37:49 And then as soon as you load the page, you are placed in a queue based on when you loaded it first, second, third. So if you're the first person in, it will say sources say blank. You get to write one word. The next person who loaded the website can put the second word. And as the article gets bigger, you'll get more and more time to figure out your work because you've got to read it. But then every individual has only written one word. Who are you going to sue?
Starting point is 01:38:13 So you'll have this really long article making this really ridiculous statement with no one who can be sued. Try and sue the person that owns the website. Then Wikipedia will get sued. Exactly. You can't. It's section two. We didn't write it. It's users. I love't. It's section two. We didn't write it.
Starting point is 01:38:25 It's users. I love that. It's their rules, so play them. Yeah, brilliant. And what we'll do too is we'll make it so that when you add the word,
Starting point is 01:38:31 it doesn't actually put the word in the article until the article's done because then no one wrote the article. Love it. They might be able to argue that like,
Starting point is 01:38:38 well, there were 700 words already there and you put that word in there so it completed a statement. It's like, okay, well, we won't then. You'll read it. You'll add your word and then once it's done, it'll go completed a statement. It's like, okay, well, we won't then. You'll read it, you'll add your word
Starting point is 01:38:45 and then once it's done, it'll go connect them all. It's like Mad Libs, but better. Yes. All right, let's read some more. Ashton DeRojas says, can you let people know
Starting point is 01:38:56 Schumer is planning a Senate vote on two gun control bills day after Memorial Day and to call your state reps and senators to oppose these bills? Better yet, call your state reps and senators and demand they repeal the NFA.
Starting point is 01:39:10 Yes. And abolish the ATF, I suppose. And why don't we get some Republicans who actually want to repeal some of these gun laws? Like Robbie Starbuck. All that keeps happening is Republicans are like, we'll compromise with you Democrats and ban some stuff. And then Democrats just keep saying ban more. They're just raking in the money man these congress people that should have been out after four years maybe eight years all right beckmeister says new york shooters discord username discord id about me you can't begin to imagine how we get them to do the things they do
Starting point is 01:39:43 i mean but is that that could be anybody. This could be a random crazy person who's trying to egg on people. You know what I mean? Yeah. Eden Hiddick. Tim, you are right that meds can cause these mass shootings. I say this as someone who was almost driven by medication-induced insanity into doing one. I'm willing to get into contact if you want to know more.
Starting point is 01:40:03 That's crazy. Yeah, people go crazy. Yeah, really. Rob Short says, press F to abolish this Fed. Oh, no. They're talking about you. No. I got it.
Starting point is 01:40:14 How about this? Hold on. I thought they were talking about the Fed. Smash the like button to end the Fed. I'm rolling 100-sided. Yes. We're going to end the Fed. Let's see what we got.
Starting point is 01:40:23 Oh, no. I rolled an 18. Ah, boo. At least I'm old enough to vote. I'm just saying, at the end of the night, you guys have to turn everything upside down and make sure there are no bugs. Yeah. All your little knickknacks.
Starting point is 01:40:34 Just stick bugs. Keep coming. It's fine. All right. Phalanx says, Tim, you keep talking about 3D printed guns, but why not the Luti? It's also my birthday, so I have some of my money. Oh, thank you. What's the Luti? How do you spell it? L-U some of my money. Oh, thank you. What's the Luti?
Starting point is 01:40:45 How do you spell it? L-U-T-Y. I don't know. I am unfamiliar. Not sure. It's what the Nero was playing when Rome was burning. He was playing the Luti.
Starting point is 01:40:53 I heard that that was actually not true, but I'd like to go into that deeper. The Luti submachine gun? Oh, oh my. Everybody is putting F in chat, but hold on.
Starting point is 01:41:02 I said that if you want to smash the like button to end the Fed. You guys can't take directions. Maybe they're just trying to abolish the Fed. Oh, I see. Mark H. says Tom McDonald would be an awesome future
Starting point is 01:41:17 guest. You guys rock. He would. He would. Tom, you are always welcome to come on the show. You know what I would love to do too is do a music collaboration with him. Because we have one song that's kind of punk rock. I can't write a verse to it. I just don't know. Oh, Tom would be great.
Starting point is 01:41:31 And so I was like, it's faster. So maybe what it needs is rap so it can convey the story in a meaningful way. So I reached out to him. But he's a busy guy. There's some other people I have in mind. We'll see what we can get done. Got a lot of music stuff in the works. That's awesome, man.
Starting point is 01:41:44 Yo, it's just everybody is so busy. The talent pool is... Talented people are busy. It's all bought up. It's hard. Yeah, we're trying to find... We're talking to some big industry music people, but they're like,
Starting point is 01:41:56 yo, everybody is swamped. Where's everybody at? Speaking of music, I loved your Chicken City theme song. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that live now? Did that come out? I played it on Instagram. I saw the making City theme song. Oh yeah. Is that live now?
Starting point is 01:42:06 I saw the making of and I just thought it was so endearing. It's just four chords. I wrote it in ten seconds. That's great though. It puts you in a good mood. Oh yeah, Chicken City. Roberto is the sheriff of Chicken City and Roberto Jr. is his deputy. But Roberto's at the Boys Town now.
Starting point is 01:42:23 He's in Friedenstein. With his sons. He his deputy. But Roberto's at the Boys Town now. He's in Freedomistan. With his sons. He's aggressive. Roberto Jr. is much nicer to the girls. Is he a brawler? Roberto Jr. is Rhode Island Red and Easter Eggers of some sort. Some kind of mix. But he looks just like a Rhode Island Red. I think I saw him outside.
Starting point is 01:42:40 He's beautiful. Roberto was getting really aggressive. He jump kicked me one day. And we can't have him banging his daughters. He's beautiful. Yeah. He's beautiful. So Roberto was getting really aggressive. He jump kicked me one day. Yeah. He was getting... And we can't have him banging his daughters. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:49 So he already did. And he had a bunch of granddaughter daughters. Illegitimate grandchildren. That's the limit. Yes. You know, for line breeding, I guess. Yeah. You're not supposed to...
Starting point is 01:42:58 You can do it once, I guess, for certain traits. Yeah. So now he's got a few granddaughter daughters. And these chickens, they are their own aunts, I think. Is that what it is? Sounds right. You're going to want to change that bloodline. We did. So Roberto Jr.'s his son, but we have two Brahma roosters
Starting point is 01:43:15 now that are Roberto's sons with our Brahma, Sarah. So I think what we're going to do is we're going to take all the boys out because we have a Silky who's been yelling Love him And then the Silky breeds with everybody and makes satins One lucky Silky
Starting point is 01:43:29 Silky's a great Do roosters generally have a different call? What do you call that? A cock-a-doodle-doo? Crow They do based upon When we would notice When you live with them and you have them on the farm And you know as well, you know what they're saying
Starting point is 01:43:44 When there was a fox nearby It was a different sound When it was like run and take cover when you live with them and you have them on the farm and you know as well, you know what they're saying. When there was a fox nearby, it was a different sound. When it was like run and take cover, he would make some sound. Our rudest's name was Cletus. And all the hens would run into the house. It was like, heads up, here comes the fox. They all have different sounds. It's very cool.
Starting point is 01:44:02 Adrian Curry in chat says, house Lannister hens. That is correct. That is what they are. That's very good. Oh, man.annister hens. That is correct. That is what they are. That's very good. Oh, man. That's very good. All right. Let's read some more.
Starting point is 01:44:11 DD says, the state is a joke. They do not care about you. Well, of course they don't. Duh. Yeah. Most of these politicians are like, I just want to say the bare minimum that I have to to get reelected. That's about it. There's like 10 politicians who are actually trying stuff.
Starting point is 01:44:26 All right. that's about it there's like 10 politicians who are actually trying stuff all right Minion715 says Tim check out New York response with Bill S9407 making the purchase or possession of all types of body armor a felony
Starting point is 01:44:34 if it is passed that's no good that's nuts man why how do you how do you how do you legally define body armor then
Starting point is 01:44:40 so you know what they were doing in Thailand is they would buy x-ray sheets and they would stagger them inside vests as plates. Nice. And I don't know if that actually worked but they said it did. You take a
Starting point is 01:44:54 whole bunch of the x-ray film and it creates some kind of plate. Oh, interesting. I have to ask, how do you justify banning a defensive, not even a weapon, a defensive thing? What case do you make that says, oh, you shouldn't be able to actually literally
Starting point is 01:45:09 protect your vital organs from a possible attack, which we know are happening, by the way. I don't get it. I don't get it. Welder1 says, Tim, you need to buy billboards near establishment media that reads, if you want real news, go to TimCast.com. Nice. We did have some.
Starting point is 01:45:25 I don't know if they went up. They might be in Chicago. And it's a quote from Michael Malice that says, what is it? The quote was something like, the corporate press gives you the narrative, TimCast.com, or TimCast gives you the news. I think that's on some of the billboards. So I did see that we have the one in Times Square, but that was more of like a statement like we're here get used to it and uh we bought a bunch in chicago because that was actually like the biggest regional demographic for the show is chicago so i was like we'll put them in chicago because apparently
Starting point is 01:45:56 people in chicago like the show and we'll see how that works out we'll see if it works out but either way we've done zero marketing until this point. And so, you know, we'll see what happens. And it's all thanks to all of you as members. We're going to keep growing. I think we need to stop a lot of people.
Starting point is 01:46:12 All of these channels, all of these independent creators need to stop looking at the establishment mainstream media as if they are some big monolith and start recognizing
Starting point is 01:46:21 that we've, you know, we've beached the shore. We are storming. We've breached the walls. Yeah, we've beached the shore. We are storming. We've breached the walls. Yeah, we've breached the walls. We are running across the beaches of Normandy figuratively, and they are firing all of these smears and hit pieces desperate to stop us.
Starting point is 01:46:35 But all we've got to do is, as we get big enough, is just start taking over those spaces. So, you know, I don't know, Super Bowl ads or something. Yeah, and you'll realize when you start doing it too that the amount of cover you run as an independent journalist or an independent creator is so much more than a guy on a beach head storming against machine guns.
Starting point is 01:46:52 One guy doesn't provide a lot of cover for everyone else, but when you're a loud voice in the media, man, is that a distraction for the people that aren't comfortable with it. What's funny is the hubris of the mainstream folks in their position, like Anderson Cooper. There are more people watching Bobby Flay make a frittata than are watching him.
Starting point is 01:47:09 But if Hugh would tell you he's the most important voice in the world, people have 40,000, 50,000 people watching him a night. So it's kind of funny to see that they still think they're these powerful voices and they're really – we shouldn't give them any props because they're kind of obsolete. All right. Junkie Box says, cops are now watered down. The poke mandate made many good ones leave. The defund programs and protests made the good ones leave. Effective cops also typically have passed military training, and there are few remaining. This is the point I was trying to make on Twitter, which was probably not well framed.
Starting point is 01:47:40 But when you create a culture around the defund movement, and you demonize cops and you riot, the good cops leave. And then you get... There's two kinds of cops. There's the cop who's like, I am doing this job not because of the rewards I'm doing, because I must. I must be the person to run in to save those lives.
Starting point is 01:48:00 And then you get other cops who are like, I don't know, man. I just need a job. And what we have now are the, I don't know, man. I just need a job. I'm we have now are the, I don't know, man. I just need a job. I'm not going to run in there and get shot at. You're nuts. I'm just here for the paycheck because the good cops don't want to be there anymore. That's sad, man. All right.
Starting point is 01:48:15 Drake Tilson says, I'm an FFL. Many FFLs offer payment plans through their credit card processing companies so they can close sales with people who otherwise don't have the cash or credit to pay for the firearm. Interesting. I mean, financing is financing, you know. Flinch Sun says, in reference to your earlier segment, the reason that feds are referred to as glowies is from Terry A. Davis and his less than charitable term he uses for the CIA and how they glow in the dark. Yeah, that sounds right.
Starting point is 01:48:44 Yeah. Checks out. All right. Archmagos, Aaron Carbo says, I would charge in to save any child I could from such a fate. I don't think I could stop myself from berserking
Starting point is 01:48:57 on in there to stop him or die trying. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I would have any logical thought at all. I might just be like, kick the door in. But the CBP guy, exactly that. He grabbed the gun and he went for it. Some people are just like, run in, save these kids.
Starting point is 01:49:14 I don't even have kids. And I was imagining how I would feel in that situation. And it was making my blood pressure rise. I can understand if someone was like, you were unarmed. And there was someone with a weapon. And you'd be like, what do I do? But these were cops with guns. That's why I'm saying, like, I'd probably just do it poorly, but freak out.
Starting point is 01:49:31 I'd probably freak out. I don't know what to say, man. I mean, maybe it's all well and good. Like, we like to believe we would be better at it than they would. But I've got to tell you, man, I've run into danger for stupider reasons. It leaves me speechless, really. Speechless. Available on Amazon.
Starting point is 01:49:50 Michael Knowles. Thank you. Oh, my gosh. Ridiculous. It never dies. Genius marketing. Yep, yep, yep. He's got us.
Starting point is 01:50:02 Okay, let's try and grab some more super chats. David C. Kronk Sr. says, I find it very disconcerting that we as a society put our money into a more secure place than we put our children. We deserve what we get. Well, you know, you get what you deserve. That's used in a bad way in a lot of senses. You get what you deserve, but it's not always a bad thing. It's like, you know the story
Starting point is 01:50:25 of the king who said he wanted, who was it, his blacksmith to make him something that would make him happy when he was sad and sad when he was happy?
Starting point is 01:50:33 I'm probably ruining the story or whatever. You ever hear this one? He's like, I challenge you to produce an item that would make me sad when I'm happy
Starting point is 01:50:39 and happy when I'm sad. And so he made a ring or something that engraved it and it said, this too shall pass. That's a great line. Yeah, so like, you know, when you say you get what shall pass. That's a great line. Yeah, so like... It's from Ecclesiastes.
Starting point is 01:50:46 You know, when you say you get what you deserve, it's a good thing. You work really hard, you'll get what you deserve. Yeah. You do bad things, you will get what you deserve. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, make a short film about him. Praise strength.
Starting point is 01:50:59 We could. We could do something. Some people said do an animation or something about the... Here we go. James Greenshade says, they did make a movie about that guy. It's called Die Hard. Woo!
Starting point is 01:51:08 That's right. You see, those were the heroes we had, like I had when I was a kid. Yeah. The dude who taped the gun to his back and he's got his hands up and they're like, yippee-ki-yay. Crawled through the vents. Yeah. Yep. Broken glass and he has no shoes on.
Starting point is 01:51:19 So at what point, though, are they the good guys and then they become the fed? Like what's the crossover? There's definitely a crossover. Yeah. And by the way, can we just shut the lights off so you can confirm I'm not glowing? You're glowing in the dark. Well, we haven't done that yet. And then we know I'm on the good side of this deal.
Starting point is 01:51:34 It's a good deal. Yeah. I don't know. You did the right thing. No, I don't – I mean I think it's all just about generalities, generalizations. Like there are bad Feds, like the ones who go to the garage, pull rope, but the ones who don't go and deal with political corruption. I think for the most part, everybody...
Starting point is 01:51:52 I've talked to some active feds who are total MAGA. And what I've told is that it's not as cut and dry as people think. A lot of people think that the entirety of the FBI is all Trump derangement syndrome. And it's like, no, it's the same as the world it's the same as the country a bunch of them are especially because they're living in dc so you see a lot of them but then there's a bunch of you know there's maga ones and then there's like middle of the road guys and the problem is as you see in the real world conservatives and centrists rarely speak up and so the Trump derangement ones are doing what they want. The other guys are like,
Starting point is 01:52:26 I don't know, man. I shouldn't say anything. I could lose my job. I got kids. And that's the reality. That's the problem. Bad people do bad things. And if all that is required
Starting point is 01:52:35 for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing. That's correct. Good persons do nothing. Stand in the hallway. That's right. Also, good people can do bad things if they're in bad systems.
Starting point is 01:52:45 Yes. True. Very, very true. History bad things if they're in bad systems. Yes. True. Very, very true. History shows that true. That's sad, man. Or vice versa. Bad people can do good things in good systems.
Starting point is 01:52:53 Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, quote, Ian, you are right. Sounds like a Freudian slip. So weird. But you said it. Very intentional. Thanks, Raymond.
Starting point is 01:53:00 It was true. Julio Valalta III says, just saw a Timcast IRL billboard off Interstate by Midway Airport. Also seen in that area. Regular gas at $5.53 a gallon. Oh, snap. Yikes. So when I was buying the billboards in Chicago,
Starting point is 01:53:16 I was like, at least one of them has to be off Interstate 55 at Central Avenue because that's where I grew up. The rest can be in strategic places. But that one, that one's for my friends. Did you get it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's up. I didn't know it was going to go up right away.
Starting point is 01:53:28 Awesome. Yeah, so years ago, we've done a bunch of different polls and we also have analytic data and Chicago is always the biggest. Not by much, but I think it makes sense considering I'm from Chicago,
Starting point is 01:53:40 so people there probably have similar opinions. We grew up in the same place. So I was like, all right, well, if we're going to buy ads and actually buy ads, we'll do it in Chicago. It's a big city, and the people there have similar views. It's a big liberal city for sure. But if you don't like Democrats and you're not a conservative in Chicago,
Starting point is 01:53:56 you're basically like me. If you guys see billboards, get a nice high-res shot of it and tweet it at me. Tag me in it, and I'll see if we can circulate it on the show. Yeah, so good. Give me the address of where it is the location josh oh my gosh says tim if the government subsidizes guns using tax money it may turn out like the university's raising prices to get more money no thanks that is a good point so i was only half joking i was making a point about how republicans never actually fight for things the way democrats do democrats are like we demand you pay for our health care, and then health care goes crazy.
Starting point is 01:54:28 And then I'm like, okay, then we demand you pay for our guns. Here's a compromise. I will say yes to universal health care if you say yes to universal guns. And it works out, too, because then with all the guns everywhere, you're worried. Don't worry. Hospital's covered for you. Yeah. Don't, you know, you don't, these people don't realize that you don't just get free stuff because you want it. It means we get free stuff, too. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Don't, you know, these people don't realize that you don't just get free stuff
Starting point is 01:54:46 because you want it. It means we get free stuff too. That's fair. Yeah. I also think it's funny that the student debt forgiveness people are like 13% of the population and they want all of the poor people
Starting point is 01:54:57 to subsidize their degrees. Do you see a study done by the Fed, the other Fed? Oh, the Fed. Yes, the other ones, the bankers. The one we want to end. Yeah. Yeah, that one.
Starting point is 01:55:07 They surveyed student loan folks, and 70% of them could, as of this moment, continue their payments. In other words, 70% of folks who have student loans absolutely need no assistance. Interesting that this whole conversation around loan forgiveness, not necessarily everybody needs it. Yeah, but they're all getting $10,000. Really? That's the proposal. that this whole conversation around loan forgiveness, not necessarily everybody needs it. But they're all getting $10,000. Really? It's bribing voters. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:55:34 $10,000. Bonkers. That's nuts, man. Second, Fleet Actual says, Tim, if they aren't old enough to be armed, they aren't old enough to vote, force them to choose one or the other. I think they would give them the choose one or the other. There you go. I think they would give them the guns.
Starting point is 01:55:48 Raise the age of everything. They'd be like, okay, let's get 16-year-olds to vote. There was a bunch of students protested gun violence, and they were like, just because we're students doesn't mean we aren't allowed. They were like, just because we're students doesn't mean we're not allowed to protest. And I'm like, no, your lack of experience and knowledge on these issues is why you shouldn't protest. But I don't really mean you shouldn't protest. I'm just saying I don't think you, as a gun control person, regardless of age, has done any research on this. No.
Starting point is 01:56:16 That's it. I don't care how old you are. You can be 14. And if you're like, I have not Googled this, but I'm going to protest, I'll be like, maybe you should. Yeah, unless I'm a 16-year-old set policy, it was that Swedish chick and they basically led Europe into war. So let's not have 16-year-olds
Starting point is 01:56:30 make any more policy decisions. I would like to translate for Greta Thunberg when she was like, we don't want to wait till 2030 or 2022. She was actually saying,
Starting point is 01:56:39 I want to kill 60 million people today. Sounds familiar. And you think I'm joking but if you, she said she wanted to shut down all fossil fuels today. I'm like, yeah, overnight 60 million people around. Sounds familiar. And you think I'm joking, but if she said she wanted to shut down all fossil fuels today, I'm like, yeah, overnight,
Starting point is 01:56:48 60 million people around the world die. They've also figured out how to upscale coal into graphene. I don't know if you've been following that at all, but they hit it with lasers and they can turn it into much cleaner burn fuel.
Starting point is 01:56:56 Oh, you see, now Greta Thunberg is trying to take away Ian's graphene. She's crossed their teeth. I'm on your side. And your buddy in Chicago should know that a 550 is bad. Wait till August.
Starting point is 01:57:06 It's going to get much, much worse. Wait till the... Wait till the harvest. Wait till the harvest. No fertilizer. I know. This fall harvest is going to be a shock to the system. We're still eating last year's crops. Most of the wheat...
Starting point is 01:57:21 Some winter wheat was harvested recently, but very little. We're still eating last year's wheat. we're actually growing wheat as well you have to yeah they're weeds volunteer we ignored them for a long enough time and then we realized it was wheat and i was like leave it i guess i was like i guess we'll make bread yeah we got a whole bunch growing and i was like what is this strange plant growing oh now how are you gonna harvest it by the way do you have the side what do you got to cut it up? You've got to get a scythe. Oh, my meteorite katana.
Starting point is 01:57:46 Yeah, yeah. There you go. That's my sword up on the wall. Oh, good lord. No, I won't use that. I'll use one of my other katanas. Dude, let's get a grindstone. To sharpen them?
Starting point is 01:57:55 No, no, to grind the wheat once we get it out. Oh, yeah. And a sharpener. No, no, no, no. We're going to get a donkey. Yeah. The donkey walks in a circle. And a millstone?
Starting point is 01:58:03 Yeah. Absolutely. That would be great. Old school. Oh, it's a millstone yeah that would be great old school oh it's a millstone the grindstone is for the blade i feel like that could be another youtube channel for you just the donkey going around oh yeah super like cathartic drop a carrot every 500 bucks and super i would watch that like no time to fall asleep yeah watch the donkey a 360 camera right now we're talking we have the chicken parties at chickencitylive.com.
Starting point is 01:58:26 So you can give five bucks and then treats come down. And then once $100 hits, a chicken party happens. And so when we were launching Pop Culture Crisis Live, I said, we need to do the same thing. We need to have it so that when people super chat, something happens. And then when you reach a number, something happens. So now, during Pop Culture Crisis, the hosts will be talking, and if you super chat, a money gun shoots 20s into the air.
Starting point is 01:58:50 So good. And then once $100 is reached, a crisis party happens where police lights go off and then money starts flying at people, and then one flew into Ian's coffee. Yeah, it's a bit distracting. It is a little distracting.
Starting point is 01:59:00 Hit me in the face, one fell in the coffee. But it's cool. It's cool. All right, let's see. Odysseus Horse says, Tim, if you're serious about the absolute nature of 2A, you should get Brandon Herrera, the AK guy, ought to tell you about the ATF form
Starting point is 01:59:15 to register your nuclear device. I'd love to hear it. I have tried so many times to get that man. He is busy as all get out. Someday, hopefully. Brandon Herrera is his name? Yeah, Brandon Herrera. Matthew Fettig says, Hey, Tim, love all get out. Someday. Brandon Herrera is his name? Yeah, Brandon Herrera. Matthew Fettig says,
Starting point is 01:59:27 Hey Tim, love all your work. Anyway, the IRL can do a poll of the day and then talk about it a little on the show to help the show feel even more engaging. That's a good idea. We could do something in the community section on the page, like maybe in the morning. Or maybe just before,
Starting point is 01:59:43 maybe a couple hours before the show and the news is kind of like, you know, hear like some big stories and we'll see what people are interested in. We'll ask a question and then we can pull it up on the show. That would be fun actually.
Starting point is 01:59:52 It's a good idea. Matthew, you get no royalties. It's ours. You gave us the idea. We own it now. Nice job, dude. You forfeit all rights. No, we'll see.
Starting point is 02:00:01 We'll see. What about my donkey idea? Can I get in on that? You guys do that. I'll cut cut i'll give you back the hundred dollars it proves you're not a fat is that what i got it yeah so like to earn redemption you gave me 100 bucks i'll give it back yeah there you go good donkey idea matt reese says the left are saying mental health isn't an issue while you see a clear trend to normalize mental illness as if madness should be the new
Starting point is 02:00:25 baseline yeah well unfortunately this is the hill i'm on right now is the pharmaceutical industry is the root problem of this because just too much of a coincidence not to be fritter says disabled guy here i walk with a cane love it when my friends yell hurry up dude i only have two speeds if you don't like this one you sure as hell won't like the other. I love that guy. That's great. Food for Life Global says, our charity is FFL.org, and our mission is to unite the world through the sharing of pure food. We serve over one million vegan meals a day.
Starting point is 02:00:55 Oh, that's cool. Very cool. FFL, too. I thought it was going to be a gun thing. Yeah. But it's Food for Life. Wait, that's three Fs. That's F-F-F-L.
Starting point is 02:01:02 Wait, wait, wait. That's F-F-G. Food for Life. Food for F-ing Life. Oh, I'm, wait, wait. That's F-F-G. Food for life. Food for effing life. Oh, I'm an idiot. Oh, Tim can't count. I can't count. Where's that A?
Starting point is 02:01:10 Food for life. WWJD. F-F-L-G. That's what it was. I pulled another Biden, man. What's going on here? You got to take a meditation break. You're going to love the fresh air.
Starting point is 02:01:22 If I pull more Bidens like this, I don't know if I keep doing the show. Go forest bathing. But I do like the fact that whenever I screw up, I can say I pulled a Biden. Yeah, I like that. Because it makes it funny. And then you have to whisper something really creepy. And angry. I'm your commander in chief.
Starting point is 02:01:35 That was so creepy today. It gave me like goosebumps. Like, oh, he did that? We'll grab two more here. Let's see. Phalanx says the Ludi is a 9mm SMG that is built entirely from things you find at the hardware store. British anti-gun control guy Phil Ludi wrote a book showing how to do it. Wow.
Starting point is 02:01:55 You can't ban the knowledge. That's crazy. Nice. You cannot, no. Nashonabo says, shout out to Riley Highland. The chicken cams will be forever known as Timcest? Whoa. Is that because Roberto and his daughters?
Starting point is 02:02:08 Probably. That makes sense. Well, hey, man. Don't put your name with that. You didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, I didn't do it. He did. And you know what was funny is we put Dorothy in sex jail because he was going at her too
Starting point is 02:02:21 much and hurt her back. Yeah. She was the victim. She was the favorite. She was the victim. She was the favorite. She was the punished. She was the favorite. And so we had to separate her, and people got mad. They were like, shouldn't you put Roberto in there?
Starting point is 02:02:32 And I was like, well, but he's the rooster. And he keeps the girls in check and guards them. And if we separate them, he might come back out and fight with his son. So we can't. But then eventually we decided it's time to send Roberto off to the mine over at Freedomistan with the boys. So we put him in sex shield. I'm sure she appreciated a little break also.
Starting point is 02:02:51 She's not healing. It's been a couple months and she's not growing the feathers back. She needs some Reiki. Yeah, and for some reason, she is the favorite even for Roberto Jr. now. It's crazy.
Starting point is 02:03:05 Chicken hormones. I don't know anything about chicken attractiveness, but she must be a supermodel in the chicken world. She's a pretty lady. The Bard Rock? Yeah. Yeah, she's hot. You know, it's really funny. We have two Bard Rock.
Starting point is 02:03:15 They look like zebras. They have white and black. And Vanessa has always got a furrowed brow. That's how you tell them apart. You see Vanessa, and she's always looking angry at you like this with her eyes down. And Dorothy's eyes are always up So you instantly just know who's who They're very friendly
Starting point is 02:03:30 They're both real friendly to humans too That might have something to do with them being the favorites of the roosters Adrian Curry says eat Roberto He will always be a part of you That's terrible Justice has been served I don't think we'll eat any of the original cast, which includes Roberto. But all the rest of them, they don't have names are fair game.
Starting point is 02:03:51 And we can't name the 50 of them that we have. So we named one of the Brahma's the son of Sarah Isaac. Because in the Bible, Sarah's son is Isaac. So he's safe. And Sarah is safe. And then she has another son and daughter. I guess they'll be safe. I like the Bible trend.
Starting point is 02:04:07 That's cool. Well, I don't know. It was just an idea someone came up with, I guess. So, you know, we'll see how Chicken City goes. But also, guys, check out Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube live Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. We're going to be doing some ads for them as well as the show starts kicking up and getting to full speed. And it's going really good. I mean, Lydia and Ian have been on the show.
Starting point is 02:04:25 So fun. This week, actually. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. So smash the like button if you haven't already. Subscribe to the channel. Share the show. It's the most powerful thing you can do.
Starting point is 02:04:33 You know, we started doing this marketing thing recently, but everything for this show has been organic growth, which is just totally nuts. And I talked to some marketing people who couldn't believe it. They were like, no way. Yeah, just people were sharing it. I guess they like it. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:46 So that really is the most powerful thing. But now we'll do traditional marketing and we're going to take over. That's what we're going to do. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. You can follow me personally at TimCast. Brian, you want to shout anything out? I'm just so pleased to be here. Can't wait to come back, if you have me, even though if I glow.
Starting point is 02:05:01 But please, the President's Daily Brief. Love it if you all listen to that. And I'm on Twitter, Brian Dean Wright. Always good to be here. Daniel Turner. Daniel Turner, Power of the Future. Powerofthefuture.com. And also, always a shout-out to Bristol Farm Virginia on Instagram, our fantastic sheep farm.
Starting point is 02:05:19 So cute. I sent you a picture of the sheep, but I don't know if you can pull it up in time. I can't pull it up in time, but I am going to put that link in our bio so your socials will have that in. My sheep are just... They're adorable. They're the most beautiful sheep in the world. Swiss of LA.
Starting point is 02:05:32 They're just beautiful. So anyway. Did you shave them yet? The Scottish blackface will get sheared next week. Are you going to record it? They're getting really hot. You guys want to come record it? You can.
Starting point is 02:05:42 It's kind of funny. That'd be fun. I like the idea. They'll be so happy because they're hot right now. Oh, sure. They're so hot. They have getting really hot. You guys want to come record it? You can. It's kind of funny. I like the idea. They'll be so happy because they're hot right now. They're so hot. They have so much wool. But yeah, Bristol Farm, Virginia on Instagram and great to be here. Thanks for having me. Have a great weekend. I used to think it was unethical to
Starting point is 02:05:53 shave sheep just because of the way they scream and struggle. But I saw a sheep with so much wool it couldn't move. So you kind of got them. You see how they vaccinate the baby sheep? They have them sitting in that conveyor belt thing with their feet up. And it just pulls them forward and they don't move. And it just gives them the shot and then it drops them and they walk away.
Starting point is 02:06:11 I love them. That's great. I love it. Daniel, always great. Really great to see you, man. Brian, really good to see you, dude. And we did joke about the whole CIA that you work for the Fed and everything. But thank you so much for doing that and the work you've done.
Starting point is 02:06:24 You bet. And for coming and talking about it. Anytime. Can't wait to see you again, man. This is great stuff. I followed you on Twitter. Lydia, I love you. Tim, always a pleasure, my man.
Starting point is 02:06:32 All right. I wanted to leave you guys with this quick thought. I was just talking to Chris Carr, who's one of our editors over at TimCast.com. And I said, Chris, I would really like to know how many of the cops who just stood in the hallway with all those kids were dying had their own kids. I was like, I'm willing to bet that not a lot of them have their own children. And I was like, this is how a culture dies. We're not willing to defend the people who need our defense the most because our family line ends with us. And if we're to die, that's it.
Starting point is 02:06:56 So anyway, that's not exactly a bright note to leave you with. But I also want to say you guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patchlets as well as SourPatchlets.me. Thanks for hanging out, everybody. Check out Pop Culture Crisis on Twitter and Minds.com at Sour Patchlets as well as SourPatchlets.me. Thanks for hanging out, everybody. Check out Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube and subscribe to it. And check out ChickenCityLive.com. We have the Cast Castle vlog up every day, and we'll be back with the show. We are working on Memorial Day. It's going to be a lot of fun.
Starting point is 02:07:18 Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all then. Bye, guys.

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