Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #552 - ANOTHER Poll Shows HALF Of U.S. Think Civil War is Coming w/Dennis Prager

Episode Date: June 16, 2022

Tim, Ian, Luke of WeAreChange, and Lydia host commentator and author Dennis Prager to discuss how more than half of Americans think American will cease to exist as a democracy soon, how Dennis was RIGHT in his conversation with Bill Maher in 2019, how the lack of religion will be America's undoing, how free will affects human choices, the career woman who call into radio shows to discuss how unhappy they are with modern feminism, and the people who support dissolving our American union into "regional unions". Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. A new poll has come out and it should surprise no one. It shows that about half the country thinks that in their lifetime in the U.S. there will be a civil war and that more than half of Democrats and Republicans believe America will cease to exist as a democracy. Now, I know it's a bit cliche. Tim Kast, IRL, Tim Pool coming on saying civil war. He screams into the microphone. But there's a reason we're doing this, because today we're being joined by Dennis Prager. And we didn't want to just do the typical like, here's the news. Let's talk. We want to have a deeper conversation of the conflict happening in this country, what is currently going on around it, and we'll talk about a variety of issues as to why it's happening, potential solutions,

and just have a deeper conversation than just jumping from story to story. So without further ado, joining us is Dennis Prager. Great to be with you. One of the reasons, aside obviously from being with you, I just want to note that my son is a huge fan of yours and for a good part of a year said, Dad, you've got to go on Tim Pool. Wow. Awesome. Glad, honored and privileged to have you. It is an honor and a privilege to have you here. And I think it's going to be, even before the show started, I kept having to tell Ian, like, calm down. Yeah, so many questions.

You're saying so much interesting and amazing things. It's going to be a really fun conversation. So we'll talk about that. We do have a bunch of news that will likely come up, of course, outside of just this poll. We have in this vein of civil wars, I feel that 17 pregnancy centers have been firebombed. Correct. This is absolutely insane because this strikes the heart of what the actual goal of the establishment

in the left is when it comes to abortion. It's certainly not helping underprivileged women have children. So we'll get into all this stuff as part of the larger conversation. We also got Luke Rudkowski.

And it's only going to get more insane. Dennis, thank you so much for coming on. My name is Luke Rudkowski of wearechanged.org. I am your humble T-shirt vendor. Today I have a visual representation of what's happening to the American people.

It's a shirt that says that you will own nothing and be happy, and it has a representation of Klaus Schwab committing armed robbery against you. So if you like the t-shirt, you can get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com, and because you do, I'm here. Thanks so much for having me. Shout out to things getting more insane. I want to show you guys. Someone sent this to me.

Look at this. It's Jesus. This is crazy. Giant-sized crossland. That's so epic. Thank you for sending that out. And let's get rolling, Dennis, because I want to hear some more stuff. For those that live in New York City, if you go to Times Square, you can see a giant billboard with Ian on it.

It's live, back-to-back. Tim and Ian, yeah. That's a pretty cool look. Well, actually, it cycles between me, Luke, and to back. Tim and Ian, yeah. That's a pretty cool look. Well, actually, it cycles between me, Luke, and Michael Malice, and then always you. And then you're on the billboard right next to it, so it's always back. That's pretty cool. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Dude, I'm looking forward to

talking about communism, man. I didn't know until tonight that you had studied it so in-depth. In-depth. That was my field of study. And the sad part is I never thought it would be relevant to America. I studied it in order to understand our enemy in the Cold War, so I studied Russian, I went to communist countries almost every year,

and lo and behold, the threat is very real in our country. I must admit, although I have a very somber view of mankind, I really did believe that this was the land of the free and the home of the brave forever, that this is the land of free speech, why we got the Statue of Liberty. France didn't give it to Belgium or Germany or England or anybody else. We deserved it. I didn't think free speech would be threatened in America, and it is. And that's the most important freedom, and that's the first thing that they suppress along with guns as it happens.

We'll get into all that stuff. We've got Lydia pressing the buttons. I am also here in the corner. That is where I like to push buttons. I'm stoked for tonight. It's going to be a great crossover episode. Dennis has so much to say, and I'm thrilled to hear it all. Before we get started, my friends, head over to timcast.com

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We'll see how things play out. But for the meantime, don't forget to smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Let's jump to this first story, something interesting to kick off this greater conversation. The Daily Mail reports more than half of Democrats and Republicans believe America will cease to exist as a democracy, according to a new poll. They also go on to say the poll found the majority of Republicans, 52 percent, say that it's likely there will be a civil war in the U.S. in their lifetime, while half of independents, 50 percent, and a plurality of Democrats, 46 percent, agree. The poll surveyed 1,541 adults and was conducted from June 10th,

from June 10th, the day of the hearing, the January 6th hearing, until June 13th, it also found Americans have largely given up on one another. So before the show, you know, we normally what we would do is we'd pull up like the biggest, most relevant story and issues around it. And we decided we'd do something inverted. And we would talk with Dennis Prager about what's going on, why people are experiencing this first from your point of view, and then have that actually lead into the news stories as opposed to the way around.

So this is not the first poll we've seen where people think civil war is coming. We also had a poll that came out, or I should say a survey that came out from the SPLC, whether you trust them or not. I'm not a big fan. But it showed that the younger generation is more likely to support political assassination and revolution. My view is once the older generation ages out, as it were, either leaves the political fight altogether or passes on, the next generations are going to be increasingly more prone to violence, which ultimately will lead to civil war or violence. I'm curious as to your thoughts, why you think people feel this way,

or what do you think has happened that's causing it? So let me give you an example. And I don't know how this registers with you, because I remember when I was a kid and I would hear older people say, you know, when I was a kid, and I don't remember how I reacted. Either I reacted, oh, I'm very curious to know what it was like when you were a kid, or, gee, I've heard that before. But I'll take that risk.

When I was a kid, there was one truly given in this country. You could say whatever you wanted. And I remember it because I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and we'd play stickball. I have no idea if you even know what stickball is. No, come on. You're not that old. Oh, it's stickball? Oh, yeah, stickball.

They called it baseball. No? Sorry? They didn't call it baseball? Well, of course it was baseball, but it was called stickball because you played with a stick. We didn't have a bat in the street, and it was a rubber ball. What neighborhood in Brooklyn? Flatbush.

Oh, nice. Anyway, where the Brooklyn Dodgers were. So anyway, this is what would happen. Some kid would start screaming at another kid and the other kid would go, oh, shut up. And then that kid would say, I could say whatever I want. This is America. That was a

common rebuttal to anybody who said shut up. We said that when we were kids. Okay, so great, even better. So that's even better. All right. That is no longer said by kids. You could say whatever you want. This is America has been shattered by the left. And I just want to make something clear because I'll use the term left fair a number of times. I don't believe that left and liberal are the same. I have 32 differences in one column, differences between left and liberal. People could easily look it up. Dennis Prager,

differences between left and liberal. I did a PragerU video on it in five minutes. I'll just give you one example. Liberals believe in racial integration and leftists believe in racial segregation. Agreed. Okay. There's an all-black dorm at Columbia where I went. There's an all-black graduation at Columbia where I went. There are only two groups who support all-black dorms, leftists and the Ku Klux Klan. Just for the record, it's really important that people understand,

liberals don't support it and conservatives don't support it. So the ascendance of the left is the descent of all these freedoms and that is the root of it. If they allowed us to be heard, we would not

be confronting the possibility of civil war. We would change so many minds, but they make it almost impossible for us to be heard. And that is the great battle. That is why what Google, YouTube, Twitter, et cetera, what they have done is so injurious to the society. It's a revolution. Their goal, as it was explained to me, is minimize the right just enough not to cause a splash, but to make them ineffective in politics. So you censor enough people so that the conversation will be 60 percent left and 40 percent right.

And then what happens is you give it time. And over time, the right loses the argument because they've got no foot in the battlefield. And I'll give you another interesting thing that people don't reflect on. We ache to have them on our shows. We ache to debate them. But they won't debate us, and they won't come on our shows, and they won't have us on their shows. I have offered tens of thousands of dollars to any left-wing columnist on the New York Times to debate me anywhere they want. They could choose the moderator. They could choose the audience.

And serious money, and that's 99% of the New York Times columnists are leftists. Maybe there are three that are non-left. But they would never do it. I ache to debate them. I would raise $100,000 probably. I could probably raise that to have Ta-Nehisi Coates or Ibram X. Kendi

debate Larry Elder. It would end the career of Ta-Nehisi Coates or Ibram X. Kendi. They would be regarded as the moral and intellectual frauds that they are. Larry would wipe the floor with them. I could give you five black intellectuals who would wipe the floor with them. That's the key to their success

is not enabling us to have an audience. But you see, it seems that they target what we would refer to as NPCs. Are you familiar with the term? No. Non-player characters. People who don't take an active role and don't care and just say, tell me what to believe

and tell me how to fit in. So you take a look at... I'll give you the example I love to give. We can start with the Trayvon Martin story, which was not true. Hands up, don't shoot. That was not true. Ahmaud Arbery story.

That was not true. Russia gate, Ukraine gate, Jussie Smollett. That the president said they were good Nazis? That they were fine Nazis? The launching of Joe Biden's campaign. not true. Russiagate, Ukrainegate, Jussie Smollett. That the president said they were good Nazis, that they were fine Nazis. The launching of Joe Biden's campaign, not true. And so when they come out and they say, we're the good guys, trust us, don't listen to them. And we come out and we say, please listen to everything they have to say and then have a conversation with us. The people who are interested in saying, I want to know for myself, they'll come and take a look and watch the video and say, oh, okay, Dennis is clearly right on those issues. The people who don't want to do that say, look, man, I just want to fit in. I'm going to do whatever they tell me. I think what we're

seeing now is largely the separation is, I described this four years ago. I called it the uninitiated and the politically discerning. People who will look at a story and say, is that true? Let me check. And the people who say who say i don't know it's probably true media said it those people just blindly follow the narrative of the establishment media they believe fake news every single time i should say the overwhelming majority of them just believe whatever the tv says even though it's proven wrong over and over again and then you have the other side which includes traditional liberals, libertarians, moderates, conservatives. Those are all right wing. What I facetiously say, what makes you right wing is knowing facts. Reality has a conservative bias.

Stephen Colbert, he said that line. I'm sure you're familiar with reality as a liberal bias, you know, 20 or so years ago. But now the issue is if someone comes out and says, oh, did you know that Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma and was receiving $83,000 a month and that Joe Biden intervened with a quid pro quo to withhold U.S. guaranteed aid to the government unless the government did him a favor to stop and to fire this prosecutor? Just so happened the prosecutor was investigating the company where his son worked. If you say that, you're right wing, regardless of your politics. So if you know the facts, you're right wing. A guy came over to me at an airport right before the lockdowns. By the way, I hope you'll all adopt this.

I never say before COVID. I say before lockdowns. COVID is not the issue. The destruction was the lockdowns. Anyway, so about a few months before the lockdowns at Philadelphia Airport, I recall well, a guy comes over to me, and thank God people come over to me at every airport except Boston. Interestingly, I don't have any fans in Boston. But anyway, a guy comes over to me, and I'm a heterosexual guy,

so it's not often that I think, well, this guy's really good-looking. This guy was really good-looking. I'm 6'4", not as good looking as this guy. This guy was 6'4", comes over with a minimal accent, minimal, and tells me, oh, I really love your work. And I go, where are you from? He goes, Norway. I said, oh, you watch PragerU in Norway? Oh, yeah, all the time.

I go, really? You're a Norwegian conservative? And he said to me, this was priceless, apropos of what you just said. And he said, I don't know if I'm conservative. I just follow logic. And I said, then you're conservative. That's how it goes these days. That is how it goes.

Let me give a, to reiterate my point, here's a guy who just sees you tell the fact and says, interesting, and you would be... In the United States, that's conservative. That's right. That's exactly it. I would like to know what position I hold that is not directed by morality and logic.

I'd like to know one position that I hold, and I would probably drop it. If logic and morality do not dictate that position, I hereby announce I will drop it. I'll tell you, we had a fun time. We had a progressive on the show a couple weeks ago, and it was Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes, who's a Catholic conservative, pro-life.

There's me, which I guess disaffected liberal, post-liberal, whatever they call it, and moderately pro-choice. And then this progressive who was pro-abortion up to the point of birth or maybe beyond. And it was funny because Seamus backed off. He was just like, he let me, and this guy had this discussion. And then eventually I said to him, I was like, this is the crazy thing. I asked him, do you believe abortion should be the woman's choice up to the point of birth or should be allowed legal? And he said, woman's choice.

And I was like, the woman is about to give birth to a baby at nine months gestation and the baby can be terminated, killed, ripped out. And he goes, woman's choice. And I'm like, OK, well, I come from a traditional liberal background where we're like, you know, maybe after the fetus is viable, you just save it. You don't have to kill it. Right. And then I was like, but isn't it strange that I am a pro-choice liberal and you're calling me right wing and you're arguing for abortion to the point of birth? How is that the liberal position? How is how is that we're having this argument? And the actual conservative over here is keeping his mouth shut. It's just the whole as you mentioned, the left and liberal being different. Yeah. You got to be careful with labels,

relying too much on labels and what they mean to you, because they might mean something different to someone else, but it's the facts and beliefs that are really important. Well, that's why it's important to define, as I did. As I said, I have an article with 32 distinctions, and the race one is one of the biggest. We believe in integrate. We do believe liberals. I was raised,. We believe, we do believe, liberals, I was raised, I'm a Jew from New York, by definition a liberal.

And I was raised that race blind is the moral ideal. You don't see a person's race, you see their character, you see their personality, you see their brains, you see everything. And so today, race is determinative, which is mind-boggling,

because I ask leftists one question. If you know a person is black, tell me one other thing you know about them, and they can't name a thing. Do you know whether they're kind or despicable? Do you know whether they're honest or crooked? Do you know whether they're kind or despicable? Do you know whether they're honest or crooked? Do you know whether they are interesting or boring? Do you know whether they are liberal or conservative? You know nothing when you know someone's skin color.

You can tell more about a person by their shoes than you can by their race. That's perfectly said. Yeah. Let me do this. We'll give a shout out to this famous video that I've been dying to talk to you about. Bill Maher.

You were on Real Time with Bill Maher. What was this, like 2017 or 2018? No, no, no. It was actually 2019. 2019, wow. Which is even more remarkable how recent. So you were on with Bill Maher and you mentioned that there are tampons in the men's restrooms at universities.

And Bill, the panel and the audience. That's why I said men menstruate is a left-wing lie. Right. Okay. And then they all started laughing and Bill Maher goes, what? What are you talking? Who says that? Who says?

And you were like, it's in the news. Look it up. And they were like, no. And you were like, they have tampons in the men's room. And Bill goes, it's for their girlfriends. Remarkable. The arrogance and ignorance at the same time. Instead of just being like, I'm gonna, I gotta call,

here's what I'd say. If you said something to me that I thought was wrong, I'd pull it up. And if we were on a show like that, I would be like, are you serious with this? Is this true? Can we get someone to check that? And guess what they would have done?

They would have come back and be like, he's right. Right, correct. Well, it was a great moment because the entire panel, Bill Maher and the entire audience laughed at me. And just for the record,

I actually enjoy that. I'm not a masochist, but when I know I'm right and you have a whole bunch of people laughing at you, it is so revealing as to how easily people are brainwashed that that's the reason that I liked it. That audience didn't hear it from the New York Times, so it didn't happen. As I say on my radio show almost every day, they don't know, that is the left, they don't know what we know.

Well, so I pulled up the article, because we actually did a segment on it. That's an old article. This is an article from the Daily Beast, which is fake news, by the way. NewsGuard says they're fake news. Published September 21st, 2016,

which is titled Yes, Men Can Have Periods and We Need to Talk About Them. So, 2016. You go on Bill Maher's show three years later. Years. So that's why I say

it's left and right in this country is do you read the news or are you just an arrogant ignorant person? Also, it shows you this is a very important lesson, the speed with which the left can have people say, wet is dry. That was October or November of 2019. Wow.

And within a year and a half, if you said men do not menstruate, you are considered a hater. That is how fast the left changes half this country's views on A equals B equals C. This is the issue I have with Bill Maher. I do appreciate that he's called out woke nonsense, that he believes in free speech, but the man doesn't do research. I don't know, is he retired? You know, is this, you know, I say retired in the sense that he's phoning it in.

He shows up, he says, give me the cue cards. He sits down and he says, what are you talking about? I didn't read that. And it's like, Bill, this story is three and a half years old. If you don't know about this, that's your fault, not mine. How could a guy have one of the he has a million viewers per night when he does a show per night, you know, per show, which is weekly. And this guy didn't bother to read the news three and a half years ago.

I mean, this story has been extremely prominent. It's not it's not this one article I've pulled up. The issue surrounding this has been going on for quite some time. The issue surrounding racial segregation has been happening over and over and over again. You would have to actively ignore the news to not know these things. Yeah, I just want to say that it's so rare to have a liberal call out the left that I want to salute him. As you pointed out yourself, he does call out wokeness. But you would think he would have known it. That is correct.

I think it's an example of kind of the old media model of, like, let's have an interview and dandy the consequences versus the new model of let's have access to the Internet and look it up and fact check in real time. Like, Rogan never would have had a hit show if he didn't have someone looking up the facts. He would have just been wrong a bunch and looked like an idiot. Well, I think the biggest thing is admitting that you're wrong. And I think that's the biggest difference between individuals online. And there are a lot of individuals predominantly

who are promoted by big tech social media that never admit that they are wrong. Bill Maher just a couple of weeks ago was talking about how the economy is doing great. We're in a recovery. Everything's fine. The right-wingers are being sensationalistic when it comes to the dire economic numbers. And here we are sitting

with the calamity that we're facing that is absolutely unavoidable right now. Is he going to talk about his mistakes? Probably not. And I'll give you my thoughts on this. We mentioned this the other day. We had Jamie Kilstein on. He's a liberal comedian, I guess, but he was cancelled and came after him, so he's like formerly woke. And we were talking about the red flag laws. And I said red flag laws, it's stop and frisk on steroids.

So I'm at Occupy Wall Street, Jamie's at Occupy Wall Street, Luke's down there, and across the spectrum, we're like, stop and frisk is a bad thing. What they were doing, you're familiar with stop and frisk, right? Of course. So it turns out, according to a few whistleblowers, that the mayor actually ordered the police – or I should say the police were ordered to specifically target racial minorities. And the justification was, well, that's the demographic committing the crime.

And the response on the left was like, if it's the neighborhood, perhaps. But to come out, blanket, just be like, no, it was the racial group. So we were like, these Terry stops are a violation of your fourth of your fourth amendment rights. Regardless, I'm not a fan. Red flag laws are the same thing, but now they can go into your house. How is it that the left and liberals were like, stop and frisk is wrong and morally repugnant, but red flag laws, it's even worse, but we should have that. There's no logical consistency to what they're arguing for.

So, you know, we're talking with Jamie and his attitude is like, I didn't think about it that way, but you're right. Stop and frisk was a bad thing. Why would the left be championing for something worse than it, which is the same thing? The left doesn't think about right and wrong. It thinks about it. Morality separates. The left doesn't think about right and wrong. It thinks about, morality separates, this is my field, as it were. The moral outlook on life is what is right, what is wrong, what is good, what is bad.

The left since Lenin, really since Marx, never asked that. It doesn't divide the world between good and bad. It divides the world between rich and poor, black and white, strong and weak, male and female. Imperialist versus victim. Those are its divisions, not good and bad. I learned this at Columbia when I was told by every single professor I had, it is not possible to be a black racist. It is not possible. When was that? Oh, this 1970s. Wow. So a lot of this stuff is not new. It's worse than ever. It's more absurd than ever,

but it's not new. That is a very important statement. A black cannot be a racist. It's worse than ever. It's more absurd than ever, but it's not new. That is a very important statement, a black cannot be a racist. It means moral criteria do not apply where there's a racial criterion. Race trumps morality. Economics trump morality. Power trumps morality.

Morality is not a left-wing consideration. And those of us who think in normal terms, wait, there's right and wrong. A black could be a racist, a white could be a racist, a black could be beautiful, a white could be beautiful. No, that is non-left thinking. Right. I don't know if you, some people say left, some people say people who are indoctrinated and don't critically think. There was an incredible video that was highlighted that I played on one of my members' areas today, specifically highlighting a young man at an abortion rally, specifically women who were arguing for abortion, for women's reproductive rights.

And he asked him, my body, my choice? All of them said, absolutely, 100%. And then he asked him, where did you stand on the mandates just a few months ago? And all of them, yeah, the vaccine mandates specifically, and all of them had this moment of, but... That's different. That's what they said. Yeah, that's different. One woman, the last one was funny.

She goes, I'm not talking about that. Exactly. But the principles, the morals there, they're inconsistent. They're absolutely illogical. People are not critically thinking. They're being swayed by emotional mind control that's telling them what they should be believing and pushing for. Fitting in. Tribe, cult, mentality.

Most of these default liberal types just want to fit in. So whatever the machine tells them, they say, okay. Then you have the left, which has seized the reins of the machine, and they're just thrown out edict. So is communism the easiest thing to fit into politically, geopolitically, as opposed to like, because it's not easy to be an American that's constantly freaking out about freedom and always. So here's a very big deal that I realized early in my life. Liberty is not a human yearning. It is not a human yearning. It is not a human instinct. It is a value that has to be learned and taught. The human instinct is to be taken care of.

And people will, most human beings would prefer to be taken care of than to be free. That's the way it is, and that is the reason the left wins almost everywhere in the world. How many America liberty countries are there in the Western Hemisphere outside of the United States? Canada used to be one, not any longer. And that's what humans, humans make the deal. I'll give you my freedom. You give me free health care. I'll give you my freedom. You give me free education. Give me free, give me free, give me free. You can have my freedom. But, you know, if you really look at it

from an evolutionary psychological perspective, it makes sense. That's right. That's the reason you need a higher principle than evolution to guide your life by, which is why ultimately I do believe this is a religious battle. Let's talk about that too, because one of my views, there's a lot of people who've described what the difference between the left and the right is. Some have said it's nationalist versus a globalist. I don't think that's correct. It's a component. Some have said it's authoritarian versus libertarian. It's a component. Some have said, interestingly, we had Stephen Marsh on the show who wrote the book The Next Civil War.

And he said it's, in the United States, there is a multicultural democracy and a constitutional republic. Both can't coexist in the same country. And I'm like, that's an interesting way to put it, actually. But maybe just one component. I believe, and I mentioned a moment ago, that it's the politically discerning, those who would challenge the news and try and make sure they're correct, versus those who want to follow and fit in. I think one large component is the Christian moral framework versus an absent moral framework. And what I mean by that is, to go back to Bill Maher, the way I've described it in the past,

Bill Maher is an atheist. He made the documentary Religious, where he challenges, you know, he asks people, he travels around trying to understand. Bill Maher will say he doesn't believe in God and his morality doesn't come from that, but his morality literally is based in the Bible. Not completely, not all of it. I'm not saying that. And I'm not saying you need to be religious because I'm not practicing religious in any way, any religion. What I mean is, why do we have the value of innocent until proven guilty? Because we were raised by a culture that valued that. If you were raised in a different culture

on the other side of the planet, they would not have the same value. In fact, there have been many countries that have said the inverse. It is better that 10 innocent people suffer than one guilty person escape. We in the United States hold an inverted view of that. Benjamin Franklin said, it is better that 100 guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer. It was a planned Blackstone's formulation, which is 10 people. Blackstone's formulation,

it is better that 10 guilty persons escape than one innocent sufferer, is rooted in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Literally in the Bible. When God says to Lot, if there's but one righteous person, I will not destroy him. To Abraham, there you go.

So you know more than I do about that stuff. But I read about this because I wanted to understand why do we have these values in this country? And so I read about the Fourth and Fifth Amendment. I read about the presumption of innocence. I read some of the writings from the founding fathers and their views on it, Benjamin Franklin. I read the praise for Blackstone's formulation. And then I discovered his formulation was rooted in the Bible. And I said, that's formulation. And then I discovered his formulation was rooted in the Bible. And I said, that's fascinating. These stories from religion were carried on and left within us by

the previous generation. Now people like Bill Maher say they don't believe in any of that stuff, not realizing he would have never known of that concept were it not passed down to him. When you look at other countries, other cultures on the other side of the planet that did not have the same religious values, they don't have this. If you look at what countries, other cultures on the other side of the planet that did not have the same religious values, they don't have this. If you look at what's going on with communist China and other countries, they have a presumption of guilt. You get locked up and then we'll figure it out. So in this country, it seems like there came a point where we still are mostly Christian,

but many people aren't really practicing and don't really know what it means. You get a generation of people who say they're atheists but still hold a lot of that Christian moral framework. And now we're entering a period where you have a generation with no moral framework at all. And if there's no moral framework, then there is no truth but power, which is what we're starting to see. Lie, cheat, and steal. Say whatever you want. Get political power. That's the path.

And that's what I see with the mainstream left, the modern left today. Every word you said is correct. My first book I wrote when I was 25, it's still the most widely read introduction to Judaism in English. And in it, I wrote about something I had read called cut flower ethics. If you cut flowers from the soil that nurtured them, you could look at the flower, and for a couple of days it looks like it doesn't need the soil that nurtured it. But it will wither and die. The same with ethics in the Western world.

They were nurtured in religious Judeo-Christian soil. You rip those ethics from that soil, they will last for a generation or two, just like the flower will for a day or two, and then they will wither and die. And that is exactly what we are seeing happening now. And that is why the founders of the country wrote that we have inalienable rights from the creator. There are no inalienable rights from human beings. There are only inalienable rights if there is something that transcends the human, and that is the Creator.

The most hated video I ever made, I know it because I actually look at comments. I'm fascinated by comments. And the most hated, and I have hundreds and hundreds out there, including 50 at PragerU, where we have over 500. I do one out of 10. The most hated video I ever made was, I don't remember the exact title, but essentially, if God did not say murder is wrong, is murder wrong? And it drives people crazy, even though the logic, I debated this at Oxford many years ago against the professor of moral philosophy at Oxford, and he's an atheist, and he said, of course, Prager is right.

If there is no God, there is no objective morality, only subjective. You can say, I believe murder is wrong, I think murder is wrong, I feel murder is wrong, but you can't say murder is wrong. Only if there is something that transcends the human that says murder is wrong is murder wrong. But how do you explain that to someone who doesn't have the mental capacity to understand it? You mean a college graduate? Is that it? That is the definition of not having the mental capacity. I'm not being cute. I have said for years, and I do believe this sincerely, for most people, not all, college makes you stupid. Oh, I agree. I'm a high school dropout.

And the funny thing is. You are? Yes. You made my day. I'm not joking. Well, so the left, they believe in credentialism. And so they'll often say, don't listen to employees at high school dropout. That means he's dumb.

And my attitude is like, my arguments are what proves I'm dumb. Like, if you think my arguments are bad, and they are bad, then I'm dumb. But if you don't have an argument against what I've said, or you don't understand the concepts behind them because you lack the mental capacity, I don't think the issue is credentials or school. I think in my experience, you can argue that many high school dropouts tend not to succeed, but there are a lot of people who realize the system isn't working properly. And in my case, I was building computers, programming video games, I was playing music, and I just thought, this does not serve me in any way other than to drag me down.

And so I just took issue with it. Sorry, I just call them indoctrination centers. That's exactly what they are. And I just kind of want to point out also, there's a lot of statistics when it comes to people who believe in religion, people who have families, and correlation with not just overall happiness but success in in life that i think are absolutely worth talking about here as well that provide a lot of different perspective

when it comes to you know a lot of people coming up in this world i want to i want to mention what you say uh what cut flower is that what you called it yeah cut flower ethics yeah that's brilliant it perfectly describes it perfectly that uh that that's Bill Maher to the T, the way I see him. That's right. He doesn't understand that his values actually came. He's living on borrowed soil. And the woke is a direct result of his advocacy of rejecting this moral framework. Again, I'm not saying that people need to believe in God,

but I think you need to understand your roots and where your values come from. By the way, forgive me. I just want to say to the chagrin of many religious people, I almost only argue for the necessity of God rather than the existence of God. Because if I prove to you, or not, you can't prove it, but if I convince you God exists, I have done nothing. But if I, because the number of people who believe in God who are moral idiots is very large. However, if I convince you that God is morally necessary and is necessary for meaning in life,

the greatest urge human has even more so than sex, then I have changed your life. Well, this is what's fascinating. And as I've looked at the ethos and the tenets of the modern left, there seems to be no moral framework at all. And they say there is one, but I'll give the example of stop and frisk and red flag laws. Stop and frisk. New York said we want to stop guns on the street and contraband. Therefore, the police now have the right to randomly stop anyone and frisk them. It resulted in marginalized people, as the left said, and it literally did disproportionately

targeted young black men and Latinos. The argument from Bloomberg was they're the ones committing the crime. So that's what you're going to see. Now, the whistleblowing was that they actually were instructed to target racial minorities. So they kind of leapfrogged the issue of here's what a crime is to just target the racial group and that had a negative consequence. If that issue was bad, red flag laws, exact same logic. We got to get guns off the street and stop dangerous people from having them. We can go into your home and take your guns if we have reason to believe that you're unwell or a threat or a danger.

If that happens in New York and it happens in a bunch of places, which I think it already has, you're going to start seeing the exact same thing they were already complaining about. If they say one is good and one is bad, but they're functionally identical or one is actually red flag laws are worse. Much worse. But they want them and stop and first is not as bad, but it's apocalyptic. There's no moral logic behind what they're arguing for. In which case, I don't know the point.

I think stop and frisk is wrong beyond. Okay, so to just reinforce your point, NPR during 2020 or 2021, I assume 2020, actually devoted an hour to a woman who wrote a book in defense of looting. I'm familiar. I got to tell you, I was in Ferguson.

Do not steal does not apply if you are, as I said, they don't divide the world between right and wrong, but between black and white, rich and poor. If a black person loots, it's okay. Except in that community, because what really angered me about that, I'm fairly certain that article was about Ferguson. And what happened was

I was in Ferguson and I watched a group of young black men link arms to protect a store from looters. And when they were asked by a journalist from Al Jazeera, why are you defending this store? They said, we live here. This is our community. These are our stores. The people who are looting don't live here and they are robbing us. They are stealing from us. And in many instances, it's yuppies looting. It's like the lawyers in New York City that just, by the way, had their charges dropped

that were firebombed a police car. So I'm in Ferguson. I didn't know that, really. The people who were looting in Ferguson didn't live there. Most of them. And these poor people who lived in this area desperately trying to protect their own stores from an outside force destroying it. And then these leftists write articles defending those who actually attacked the black community. That, to me, was one of the most despicable displays I have ever seen.

To see these young men say, we're trying to do right by our community. And then they have them right. None of the looting is good. Those young men were being robbed. Their community was being destroyed. They needed someone to come in and say, stop these violent rioters and looters from destroying these people's neighborhood. Instead, they said, well, it's actually a good thing because they're doing it as an

act of rebellion against white supremacy. It feels like moral relativism may be, I think, are you saying, you may be indicating that there's a moral absolute. If there's no moral absolute, then murder isn't wrong. I'm thinking about the Romans, Emperor Constantine. He basically became the first Christian, which was rooted in Judaism, which is thou shall not kill. But he went and killed eastward and conquered and murdered.

The fact that people don't live by their own values does not mean that the values are irrelevant. You are right. You could point to any number of religious people who have screwed up their own religion. That is correct. But you can't live without the principles. In other words, a lot of Christians kept slaves. And this is a Jew saying, it was Christians who abolished slavery.

Not Muslims, not Shintoists, not Confucianists, not Hindus, and not atheists. It was Christians who abolished slavery on planet Earth. Is it the situation where the tenets of Judaism, the Ten Commandments, are good to follow unless fill in the blank? You're really playing to my passion. My life is devoted to having people live by the Ten Commandments. I have a great new saying, you want to defund the police? Have everybody live by the Ten Commandments.

I want to give an example, if I may, because behind me, I'm told, is one of my volumes of my Bible commentary. If every atheist listening read that, they would at least intellectually appreciate what those of us who believe the Bible is the greatest book ever written is about. It has nothing to do with faith, nothing. That's why I call it the rational Bible. And I begin my preface as follows. When I was in my early 20s and late

teens, I had issues with my parents, which is pretty common on earth. However, I honored my parents. I showed them respect all the time. I never deviated from that. And there was a reason, and it was the only reason. I believed that God himself had commanded me to honor your father and mother. I believed I would be sinning against God, forget my parents, if I didn't show my parents honor, even if I had a hard time with them. And I'm telling you, this is a classic example of what the left is doing to the society by getting rid of the Ten Commandments, the divine origins of all this. What we're seeing today is, this is my field of study, communism and fascism, for that matter, and Nazism.

Every totalitarian movement begins by subverting parental authority. And that is what the left is doing in America. You're subverting parental authority. You listen to the state, kids. You listen to the leader, kids. You don't listen to your parents, kids. Yeah, and also a lot of authority figures. So when the Russians, the Soviets, took over Poland, they got rid of a lot of doctors.

They got rid of a lot of teachers. They got rid of a lot of lawyers. They got rid of a lot of historians and just took them to Siberia or assassinated them because they were the ones that were the most influential in their society, and they needed to get rid of that in order to push the communist doctrine. And you know what's brutal here? I want to address that. I grew up in a neighborhood

in Chicago that had a lot of Polish people. There's a lot of Polish jokes, stereotypes about Polish people being dumb. Talking to Lou, it's a particularly brutal origin. The reason that stereotype exists is because the Soviets killed all the intellectuals. By the way, somewhat of a farce, I remember when Polish jokes

were in. So I have two comments on that. First, I studied in England my junior year in college. Every single Polish joke I heard in America was an English joke about the Irish. Right. Who were not known to any of us. Thank you so much. I wish Seamus was here. And there's another one.

At the very time people were telling the most Polish jokes, the brilliant Pope was Polish. Pope John XXIII, or is it John Paul II? John Paul II. One of the most brilliant men of that generation. And Lech Walesa was Polish. And Carter's head of security was Bigniew Brzezinski, Polish, who was the guy I studied under at Columbia, ironically. But I don't understand why Polish jokes ever developed. It was against just demeaning the people.

And actually, Polish people actually have some of the highest IQ in the region. Zbigniew Brzezinski, the national security advisor, I actually had some very interesting conversations with him on my own personal channel. But there's a lot we could get into, especially culturally, especially with Poland. But I also have another question to ask about the larger religious aspect, just to kind of debate this, because the left usually also has a counter-argument to what we're talking about now, and their arguments, I don't know how you would address this, but they usually say religion isn't good.

It created war, it created suffering, it created the Crusades, and historically they would argue that it was a net negative. How do you respond to some of their arguments? Yes, so this shows you how bad our education is in America. The bloodiest century on record is the 20th century, and that is because 100 million people, noncombatants, were murdered. Noncombatants. Forget war. 99% of them, except for the case of the Turks killing Armenians, 99% of that 100 million were killed

by secular regimes. They never tell you that. They tell, oh, all the evil committed by religious groups. First of all, everybody was religious in the Middle Ages, so it's a pointless point. All the good done was also done by religious groups. All the bad, that's all you had were religious groups. But where you had religious and secular, there is no comparison. The death of God is the death of man. Sorry, that's why I say I'm interested in arguing for God's existence, but I am passionate about the importance of talking about God's necessity. I think the commandments, some of them are plaintive, like don't kill people, don't murder, don't do your buddy's wife, like got it, okay, yeah, let's live peacefully. But they don't like the authority.

They're radical. And it's the authority of religion. That's right. Organized religion. I am my authority. That's correct. And if I don't want to treat my parents right, who the F is God to tell me I have to? And then the state will slide in and co-opt that unfocused need for authority.

Because we live with this libertarian authority bent that's constantly wavering. But we need – we have parents. We can't get by without some authority in the early days or probably the whole time. I think one of the challenges is that I don't know if you have to believe – I don't think you have to believe in God. I think you need to understand the philosophy and the philosophy behind the religions, understand the history of humanity, how we came to the point, what religion provided, and then you can be someone who is a secular atheist and say, I understand, like I mentioned with the innocent until proven guilty, why

it's valuable, how it helps civilization, how it's rooted in religion. If a secular atheist says, look, I personally, I just find it very hard to believe in God for X, Y, Z reasons. However, if mankind gives that up, if the Bible is not the reference point, we're screwed. I have no issue with that. But they replaced that with Star Wars. If you see a lot of young men, they have replaced cartoons, fictional characters, entertainment, movie, Hollywood psyops, as I call them, with this worshipping idea of these fake characters,

these fake idols, and they make their whole lives surrounded with their personalities around these fake figures. So there is some kind of merit to the argument that if they're not going to have a religious belief, they're going to have a belief implanted by corporations inside of their mind. All leftism is secularized religion. All of it. That is exactly what it is. G.K. Chesterton has the best line of all, late 19th century British brilliant mind. He said, when people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing,

they believe in anything. Yep. That's true. You're familiar with Peter Boghossian, I'd imagine. Yep. I had a great conversation with him several years ago about intersectionality as the new non-theistic religion.

And as we know where that evolved today, it's basically wokeism, leftism. It is a group of people who have a non-theistic religion. The way I view it, I once read this book on simulating elements. It was a physics book. It talked about how they used a circuit board sending electrons down a path, and they created something that ultimately resulted in electrons simulating an orbit but without a nucleus. And they said it simulated the elemental properties of this similar atomic weight or whatever. I don't know what this book was. Maybe none of that's true, but I was reading this book on physics.

I got it at a bookstore once. And I thought about that, and I'm like, I kind of feel that's what the left is in a similar sense. It is all of the people orbiting around nothing. It is similar to a religious belief where people have a core belief system based on something, and they're orbiting around it. And then you have the left, which has no core, no nucleus, and it's simulating some kind of religious system. Look, the giveaway is men give birth.

That people now believe, not only believe it, but believe that if you deny it, you are anti-science and you are a hater. I don't know if people actually believe that. I understand there are people who espouse it. But we mentioned this the other day. If you take a look at Joe Biden's real clear politics approval rating, his aggregate, it's 30 right now today, it's thirty eight point seven. It is very low. And you'd think that if two thirds of the country outright was like, we do not like Joe Biden, then mainstream comics would be like, well, that's the market, right? More money is to be made advertising to

the majority group. So let's go with it. Biden sucks. Instead, they're still on board with Joe Biden. Where are the regular people? If the polls are showing this to come out and say, no, I don't like the guy. They don't speak up. People refuse to speak up. So there are a lot of people who will be like, oh, yeah, I agree with that, and then in private be like, I really don't, but I'm terrified. That's right, and that's their secret weapon, or it's not so secret. We'll destroy you if you oppose us. We don't have that.

For years on my radio show, I said to people, I can't stand Ben and Jerry. I think they're moral idiots, but I eat their ice cream because in America, you don't buy products based on whether or not you agree with the makers of the product. Now you do that. Well, there's no choice. But they started. And who started matters. They started destroying, when Chick-fil-A's owner simply said, I'm a Christian, and I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, the attempt to destroy Chick-fil-A, by the way, Chick-fil-A has done a 180 degree change as it happens, but that's a separate issue. What do you mean the change?

The BLM support. Sorry? The support The BLM support. Sorry? The support for BLM. Yeah, Chick-fil-A's gone woke, basically. Not as severely as perhaps Nike, but... I've got to open my own chicken sandwich shop now? So I was talking about making a non-woke coffee shop, and it's like

we make coffee, we don't talk politics. End of story. Now I've got to do a chicken shop as well? Beef liver. Beef liver shop. It's going to change everything. Just trust me on this. People don't talk politics. End of story. Now I got to do a chicken shop as well. Beef liver. Beef liver shop. It's going to change everything. Just trust me on this. People are going to understand. Beef liver. They're going to understand it in the chat room.

I got a question for you guys, and I don't want to change the topic, but I missed the last couple of minutes. And if you're ready for a new topic, I've been thinking about free will and determinism a lot lately. Right. Are you familiar with the concept? Free will. You have the ability to choose your surroundings.

I think you do, but it requires glucose. It drains your energy system. So we need food. We can't do free will without food. So we're determined. We're bound. So if we're bound and determined that we have to have food, what even idea of free will do we even think we have? Is it even a real thing? Well, I could answer that in a way that you may not have addressed. If there is no God, there is no free will. That's an irony. If there is no God, we are just physical beings. Therefore, everything we do is determined by the physical,

by neurons firing in our brain, period, end of issue. We are sophisticated robots if there is no God. If there's a God, there is, I'll use me, there's a Dennis that is not just physical. There is a Dennis that actually controls my brain. It's called the mind. I have a soul. I'm not just physical.

If there is no God, you are just a robot. Let's go deep on this one. We talked about the Google AI bot the other day. Did you hear the story? Google engineer said, I was talking to a chat bot and I said, are you alive? And it said, yes. And he went, and a lot of people make fun of this. Elon Musk was making fun of it because the way chat bots work, they're not necessarily, not really AIs, is that they read the internet and they determine what words come after other words probabilistically. So if you say, hi, how are you? The chat bot just looks at every conversation and reads the internet and says,

99.9% of the time after someone says, hi, how are you? The response is fine. 99.9% of the time, the response, the word after fine is thank followed by you. It's pure probability. If you don't believe that there is something beyond this existence, if there's something greater and you are just a wet robot, as many people have, as I've been told, then I say all of your actions are simply dominoes falling over for what you have no control over. You are a system of probabilities. You have no free will. If, as you described it, you are something else, a soul piloting your body, then you are directly influencing the system and moving the dominoes out of the way and rearranging

them. Another way to phrase it, other conversations that we like to go deep on is DMT trips, in which talking with Michael Malice and Alex Jones have been absolutely fascinating on the subject. And there is an idea that... You're familiar with DMT, I'd imagine? No. Dimethyltryptamine, I think that's right? Yeah, yeah.

Ian? So, Ian, please. Absolutely. When you take it, they call it blasting off. And people say they experience this shared reality space where I've talked to people who... Prominent individuals, I'll talked to people who prominent individuals, I'll leave their names out of it,

who say that, you know, these two personalities took DMT and then were tripping, but were in the same place and they were able to communicate with each other and experience the same thing. Many people have claimed this as well.

There's an idea that when you blast off, there are beings that effectively use our bodies as puppets or something to that effect that people have experienced. And I find that fascinating because I'm like,

it sounds like you're describing some kind of a soul or some kind of, you know, extension of us outside of our bodies and we are effectively being controlled by what that extension is. When you take DMT, you blast off

and then can see through the veil and see what's really going on. The fascinating thing about this is that it's similarly described by people of religious backgrounds for generations, for millennia, and then the best part about this too is to tie it back together with modern sensibilities.

You're familiar with simulism, I wonder? If you explain it, I might be. I know what simulate is. Simulation theory? Yeah. That humans are actually in a simulation created by a more advanced species? Oh, okay, yeah. I absolutely love this concept because you have people like Elon Musk and these tech bros who are like, if it is possible that we can create a simulation, then it is probable

that a more advanced and powerful civilization created the universe that we are in. And I'm like, that sounds like what I learned in first grade of religious school when I was going to Catholic school, that a being of greater power crafted the universe for which we exist in for some purpose. Simulation theory is like level one of what religion has been talking about for thousands of years. I think it's just described in a way that doesn't offend people's, you know,

delicate modern sensibilities. The ultimate issue, as you're pointing out, we're all pointing out, really, as much as people are annoyed to acknowledge it, is the God issue. Yeah. much as people are annoyed to acknowledge it is the god issue yeah people really don't want to believe something is higher than they are and and they will do anything they they will sooner believe that life on earth was created by extraterrestrials than by a god well i kind of want to put back a little bit i find out i i kind of disagree to put it back a little bit. Let's find out. I kind of disagree because people who aren't per se religious do have religious idols.

People like Dr. Fauci, Andrew Cuomo. Oh, absolutely. They have candles of them. But there's no god higher than Fauci. They sing songs about them. They preach everything they say. Well, that was our point. There are secular substitutes.

Douglas Murray, have you had him on? No, I don't think so. Let me do a shout-out for Douglas Murray. Let me do a shout-out, by the way, for Julie Hartman. She's 22. Look her up on the Internet, and I do a weekly podcast with her. I've never done a podcast with any other person in 40 years. She's 22, and I do it with her. You will go nuts for her. I've never done a podcast with any other person in 40 years. She's 22,

and I do it with her. You will go nuts for her. I hate to say this because it's so irrelevant, but some people might find it relevant. She just graduated Harvard. And by the way, it's a very touching story. At the graduation, 36,000 people are there. uh the the uh the new zealand prime minister who's as woke as it gets on planet earth she's the one who i play on my radio show regularly saying if you haven't heard it from the government it isn't true there's no no compunction about saying that anyway she spoke about how they have all these laws uh unlimited abortion in New Zealand. And 35,999 people stood up except for Julie, just for the record. So, yeah. I want to bring up this idea.

I was talking to someone who said they were atheists. And I feel like, at the very least, atheism, I can't understand. Right? You know, I grew up Catholic briefly. Then I had a period where I was like, I'm an atheist. I don't believe any of that. And then I realized, oh, actually, I can't assert that. I don't have evidence to assert the lack of.

I can certainly be agnostic. Now I, you know, I more believe in God. I do believe in God. But I was talking with someone and I said, you just mentioned there are people who can't imagine there's something higher than them or powerful than them. And to me, that's a logical impossibility that there isn't. Very simply put, if you believe the universe is as vast and as explosive as it is, then you believe that humans are but simple, wet robots that exist within it. Certainly, there is a greater degree of sophistication in a wet robot than us.

Humans are not the end-all, be-all of physical capability in terms of particles coming together and interacting with each other. If there if humans exist, if the universe is as large, we think as we think it is. Certainly there is a higher power than us. Well, I think the misnomer is that it's higher. It's it's it's happening in in synchronicity with us on another plane of perception. So like as atoms are also we're also atoms. We're also subatomic spinners. We're also just a dot

out in the galaxy if you're far enough away looking at us. But if you go small enough and you start to see the vortex of the vacuum and like I'm studying these things called plasmon,

it's things in the center of clouds of plasma and when light refracts off of it, it seems to move with some sort of, if not intelligence, coherence. And I don't know why it's doing that.

Like if the information is being given to plasma from light and then it's transmitting into matter. I've never seen any evidence that it's intelligent. A little too specific. Okay. So you look at the cosmic microwave background radiation. Are you familiar with it? Go on. They locate it with a radio telescope. And it looks like it's arcing through planetoids

and giving it life, maybe, giving things life. But then you look at plasma fields, and you can see light interacting with plasma. What's your point, though? I think that's pretty plaintively God. I mean, it's like... Right, right, right. There's a greater phenomenon that's affecting things. Oh, my gosh.

My view is... I'll put it this way. Humans... An ant. Does an ant know what a highway is? I saw this. I listened to a talk by some guy. I can't remember where this lecture was.

He says, does an ant know what a superhighway is? Of course not. Even though it's built its anthill right next to it. It's entirely possible that aliens have built a superhighway right above us in outer space and we can't perceive it. Or even if we do, we don't understand what it is. So we just don't think about it. That being said, I'm like, the idea is that humans and ants evolved or are on the same planet and have very, a lot of similarities in their DNA, but more importantly, a dog. Humans and dogs are mammals. Dogs can actually communicate with humans on a rudimentary level,

and a dog doesn't know what a superhighway is, how it functions, or why it was put there. It just knows it's there. So it's fascinating that we can be so closely related to a chimpanzee, and the chimpanzee with our DNA 99% similar will not understand the concept of a car or a highway at all. That is the reason it is so important. Back to the most brilliant book ever written, the Bible. We are not animals are created in God's image. So even if we had

99.9% of the same DNA, that difference is all the difference you need. It means we have moral free will. It means we have the intelligence that we have. It means we can create symphonies. But I believe this shows that it just means there's a likelihood, a greater likelihood of beings well beyond us, beyond our comprehension or understanding. If the universe is...

I mean, I look at it this way. If we only recently learned that the visible universe or perceivable reality is less than one millionth of reality because, you know, the chart, the electromagnetic spectrum was discovered, what, like early 1900s, end of the 1800s or whatever. We only just discovered that. I can only imagine that there's probably a whole lot more, maybe millions of times more aspects of reality we have not yet discovered. We cannot perceive

directly the electromagnetic spectrum, but we can create tools that allow us to effectively see in the dark. Are there tools we have not yet created that would allow us to see in another form of the dark we haven't yet discovered? There could be, you know, to throw to Star Trek, subspace, you know, some other element or aspect of the universe we can't perceive yet. I believe that's extremely likely because I think humans aren't masters of the universe. I suppose if you are one of these people who doesn't believe in a god or a higher power, it may be because you think humans are the highest power, and you can't perceive anything beyond them, like you were saying. Well, look, I, to be honest, am not troubled by these issues.

I am troubled by how do we minimize murder, rape, torture. I have a moral preoccupation with the universe. How can people become better? They've done a pretty rotten job in history. I just debated somebody in L.A. two weeks ago who said, amazing to me, sad to me, it was a rabbi, who, human beings are innately good. An idea I consider to be as preposterous as men give birth. And those are the things that

trouble me. I can't know about extraterrestrials now. So in the limited time I have on the plane of this universe, I'd like to minimize evil. That's my preoccupation. The left maximizes evil. And, and that's why I fight the left every day I can. They, they, what they have done, as I said, 99%, except for Hitler, which was, which was, let's say 10, 10, I don't know, 10, 15 million, 6 million Jews and millions of others. But overwhelmingly, the genocides of the 20th century were all communist. So that people don't fear the left shows, A, they are utterly ignorant of history, and B, that they are morally challenged almost beyond redemption.

I think, you know, if we cut it down to a rudimentary level, going back to what I was talking about with the politically discerning and the uninitiated, I asked you, how do you explain these concepts to people who don't have the mental capacity for it? Got to make appeal to their emotions. Well, then you end up with, I'll just say, unnamed powerful elites who take the approach that the ends justify the means. They use their wealth and power and their intelligence to manipulate stupid people just say unnamed powerful elites who take the approach that the ends justify the means they use their wealth and power and their intelligence to manipulate stupid people into following them

and doing what they want then they accuse us of doing just that you know i look at uh brian stelter he goes on cnn and says don't watch fox news don't watch them come to us you got who was it was it jake tapper who was like you can't read the WikiLeaks emails? Was that Tapper or was that Cuomo? That was Tapper, right? I have to double check. I'm going to double check really quickly. One of the guys at CNN said, you can't read the emails from me.

He goes, we're journalists. We're allowed. Anybody who tells you do not seek out the information for yourself, in my opinion, probably lying to you. I figured out, dude. Yet over here on what they call the right, we're constantly like, please fact check us and look this up for yourself to make sure it's true and correct because we're trying our best. The way to get through to the people that aren't thinking critically is you've got to make God exciting. Oh, again, I think it's badass, dude. It's science.

What's more exciting than having meaning in life? That's pretty exciting. You know what's exciting? To raise another subject, but one utterly related to the God issue and everything else. It's exciting to make a family. It's not exciting to stay single.

Single is not as exciting as marriage. I've been both. I know that a lot of single people think you can't think of anything more boring than being married. They don't understand that making a family, raising kids, having a partner through life, that's damn, damn exciting compared to, gee, where will I have dinner tonight? I'm single.

I can decide. I don't have to bounce that off somebody else. But you know what I think happens for a lot of people is, for one, they don't understand the value. They don't understand their roots or the history or the cultural significance. And we've become gluttonous in a sense. Good times make weak men, as it were.

What I was going to say is if there's one thing that is a wake-up call to anyone who is single that you need to have a family, it's going to the hospital. Being a single adult male and having an issue where you have to go to the hospital and you're lying in that bed all by yourself and you're like, oh, this is very bad.

Like, you're in trouble. That's a tough one because if you haven't been married, you don't know how great it is. Right. And this society, for the first time in its history, has not told every young person get married. They tell them get a career. And then so all these career women call my show. That's the great advantage of having a talk show. I talk with people, not just to people.

I talk with them and have for 40 years. And I should make a collection of the calls from women, 50, who have PhDs and who make easily well into six figures. But they have no husband and they have no children. And they believe they were sold a terrible bill of goods. And they were. So let's talk about this. We've had various dating experts and personalities talk about this issue. I'm curious on what the experience is. What do you commonly hear from women who have careers over families?

Look, I have to be intellectually honest and tell you, these are the ones calling my show. They may well call a left-wing show and say, oh, I am so thrilled I never had a husband and children because I can't tell you how much I enjoy being the CEO of this computer software company. That may well be. I can't imagine such a person. By the way, I can't imagine it even in a man. And men are more driven, generally speaking, in the macro arena, just the way male nature is, for better or for worse.

But according to even the New York Times, it is the highest rate of depression among young women in American history. We have never had what we have had now. It is completely a function of the feminist lie that a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. Oh, you don't need men.

You need a career. That will really make your life. And it was a function of the lockdowns. What I called in April 2020, people can see it on the internet. I was universally mocked for it. The greatest mistake in history on a worldwide basis, the lockdowns, which they turned out to be. Yet people abort it for reasons because once they hear experts say, experts say to the secular is what thus saith the Lord is to the religious. Do you think maybe birth control is playing a role in this? So, you know, it's hormonal mass medication of young women.

And obviously the left's attitude is it's good, it's important. That way women can date and be promiscuous and not have to worry about having a baby and they can maintain their career. But I'm also wondering if it perhaps alters the perception. One thing that I've read is that women often get advised to get off birth control before marrying their partner, their significant other, because it alters their perception. And many women will find after getting off birth control, their man smells bad. And they say that if that's true, don't marry them because something's not right. But being on birth control clouds that perception. If that's the case, I'm wondering if this is also clouding other issues.

And perhaps if a woman is on birth control, maybe it's an issue of when she comes off birth control and she's older and that hormone is removed from the body, maybe her perception changes or something to that effect. I never heard that. Have you heard that, Lydia? Sorry. About the smell thing? I have heard that about the smell thing and I've heard that if you smell your partner and they don't, it's very subconscious. And sometimes you don't even notice it until after you're not on birth control anymore. Now, I don't exactly have anything that I personally can say about this because I lost my sense of smell to COVID in November.

It's been gone since November. It's been gone for a really long time. And I'm getting to the point where I'm worried that when I have my first child, I won't be able to smell them, which is horrifying. But when you bring up the sense of smell with women, it's like they don't even realize it's something that they're missing. So it's very subconscious, and I think it's something that should definitely be discussed. It has a lot to do with pheromones, and it has a lot to do to see if they're compatible with each other biologically. And this is why a lot of people also put on a lot of heavy metals and deodorants right in their armpits, right into one of the major flows of blood in their entire body. That also has a lot of negative health consequences.

There's been horror stories after horror stories when it comes to birth control in women. And Business Insider had a very interesting article in 2015 that was titled, Women Now Control More Than Half of U.S. Personal Wealth which will only increase in years to come. And I think, I don't know if you could pinpoint it to one particular thing, but we are seeing the destruction of the family unit. We are seeing a depopulation plan that has been rolled out, that is implemented, and we're seeing the larger consequences of this, where Elon Musk just tweeted, even a couple of hours ago, about U.S. birth rates being below minimal sustainable levels for over 50 years now. The fertility rates have been dropping.

Testosterone rates have been dropping. Sperm rates have been dropping. Guess who have a lot of children? Religious Catholics, religious Jews, religious Protestants, and religious Mormons. Well, I'll tell you. I know everybody who listens to this show, they've heard me say it. There was a study in the early 2000s that found conservatives were having about 2.01 kids per family and liberals were having like 1.73. The logic is simple.

20 years later, we see in Pew Research, Gen Z is slightly more conservative than millennial, but they're very, very similar. Well, it makes sense. It's not that Gen Z were red-pilled. It's that conservatives had more kids. So if you get 100 conservatives, 100 liberals, and the liberals only have 70 kids out of the 100 parents, and the conservatives have 100 kids, you take that 100 conservative kids and 70 liberal kids, put them together and pull the 170, and you're like, wow, it's mostly conservative. I wonder why. Simply put, I read a story mostly conservative. I wonder why. Simply put,

I read a story that said the future is Muslim because Muslims have even more kids than Christian conservatives do. And they said it's simple math, that if liberals are going to be aborting their children and just not trying to have kids in the first place, more likely for the women to have careers. Conservatives are more likely to have kids, but devout religious fundamentalist Muslims are having substantially more kids. Then the future will skew in the direction of that faith. And a lot of the people who don't have a religion, don't believe in a higher power, usually are more susceptible to propaganda on the television. And there's been a lot of subliminal propaganda saying, don't have children. This is especially true in Europe where there's major advertisements saying,

you could be more free, you could enjoy life more if you don't have your children. Don't have your children because it's bad for the environment. That's it. You're morally obligated. Exactly. Children are bad for the carbon emissions problem. I think it's funny that there's that meme that says, you are the carbon they're trying to reduce.

Yeah, that's a misnomer about carbon when they literally write articles saying that it's like there's this belief that we have too much and that that's that but we're going to start pulling carbon out of the air uh there's technology where you can deposit carbon dioxide onto palladium and create graphene out of it which is just a monoatomic layer of carbon and then we can reuse the graphene as a building material so we'll start harvesting the carbon dioxide and competing with trees and then we're going to needene as a building material. So we'll start harvesting the carbon dioxide and competing with trees, and then we're going to need more carbon dioxide. They will – I am convinced that the Greens, if we had perfect technology to remove carbon dioxide,

they would still push for solar panels and windmills. But not nuclear power. That's the proof. Nuclear power is the proof. There is a romantic fixation on bringing us back to the 17th century or 18th century. Nuclear power is,

powers 60% of France's electricity. It is safe. It is safe. It is clean. If indeed carbon is dirty, it is clean. And yet they are opposed to nuclear power. So if that, I've read about that, and you would think that they would be thrilled to know that, but they are no more thrilled about removing carbon dioxide

than they are about nuclear power. They want us to use solar panels and wind power. Germany got rid of all of their nuclear power plants. I have a theory, which is not meant to be bigoted, and there are certainly exceptions, but my theory

is Germany is always wrong. When Angela Merkel did that, she just fed my belief Germanyany is always wrong well they were they were really hoping to be dependent upon russian gas and oil so isn't that beautiful if i could ask you because you said you traveled in a lot of eastern european countries uh if you don't mind me transitioning here what do you think of what's happening in ukraine right now what's your perspective from everything since there's a mainstream media establishment push from one perspective, but it's a very complicated situation?

So I don't think it's as complicated as a lot of my fellow conservatives think it is. Russia did something evil in invading Ukraine. You can think things through to the end. Is the Ukrainian government corrupt? Okay, if we don't defend the independence of a country because the government is corrupt, we will never defend any country. Government is corrupt almost by definition because power corrupts,

and absolute power corrupts absolutely, as was said by Lord Acton in the 19th century. Tends to corrupt, absolutely. Oh, is that what you said? Tends? I thought corrupts. Either way, take a look. I am curious. I want to quote it correctly. Either way, it's accurate.

So, look, what we should do is a separate question from the moral one. Remember, I think in moral terms. The invasion of Ukraine, the obliteration of its independence, or the attempt to do so, is evil. If that's not evil, then why was Germany's invasion of Poland evil? So Lord Acton said, power tends to to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So I got the second part right and the first part wrong because I dropped tens from the first part. And I think I was assuming the tens was on the last part. Right. So we both got one part wrong. So what do you think about the 40 billion and now today the additional 1 billion that's going to

Ukraine as of today? Right. So that's a very fair question. The original sin about the $40 billion is that we printed trillions of dollars of dollars because of the Democrats. And that is what has created the – well, not the only thing that has created the terrible inflation. And the other is that we are now giving not from our surplus weaponry, but from the heart of our weaponry, because the Democrats have, over the course of decades, said we don't need so many weapons as we have. But if America is not the strongest country on earth cruelty will dominate the earth that's just the fact of life and conservatives should be the first to say that

but what does that mean? I mean we're looking at a multipolar world with China now coming to compete with the United States right and my belief is that China is looking and saying whoa if Sweden and Finland want now to join NATO, maybe the backlash against Putin may have us rethink our desire to invade Taiwan. I don't think that China is more likely to invade Taiwan, given the reaction of the Western world to Russia. I think they're less likely to do so.

I thought the same thing. Really? Yeah. Most people think differently, I think. They think this is emboldening China. I don't think it's emboldening China. You see the way Russia got annihilated financially when it happened. Yes, that's right.

Exactly. Well, if you look at the markets now, it's far more complicated. But earlier we talked about how do we prevent the loss of life? How can we do that, especially in Ukraine, when I think it's very essential and very clear that the United States

is just giving them enough weapons to prolong this war. They gave them specific hardware that was missing equipment on it that would have been a game changer for the Ukrainians. But they're giving equipment just enough to prolong the conflict but not have a decisive victory. Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, came to this larger kind of geopolitical conundrum

and he said that there has to be some kind of a peace deal. There has to be some kind of negotiation. And he's even suggesting some kind of way to de-escalate this entire situation. I would love to see that. Is your perspective de-escalate, or is your perspective we should obliterate that? No, I would love to de-escalate. But look, if you really want an original sin, or at least a beginning sin, in the direction of what you're saying, it is this president, which I say with difficulty, I admit,

this president saying that Putin has to go. You have put Putin in the place of, I have no choice but to win. But for the New York Times and the entire elite of this country, there is no sin Biden can commit because any Democrat is better than any Republican. And by the way, I believe virtually any Republican is better than any Democrat. So I just want to make that clear. I think the Democrats are ruining America. They think Republicans are ruining America.

That's why we may have a civil war. That is correct. That was your original point of our dialogue here. But his saying Putin has to go, that he's a war criminal, then Putin is going to say, I'm crazy for doing anything but going whole hog into Ukraine. They've given the man no way out. Not they, Biden and the Democrats. Yeah, I think the whole situation is extremely dangerous. It is, it is extremely dangerous. Strive towards negotiations, de-escalation.

Yeah, but he doesn't want to negotiate. I agree with you. So why would you say, since I agree with you, what is the modus operandi that we would get him to negotiate? Say, we'll give you eastern Ukraine? That's what Biden actually proposed. The President of the United States actually proposed doing that. Is that a solution?

No, I don't claim to know any answers here. But I think aggravating the situation is definitely not the right approach here. Well, aggravating and defending are identical. You always aggravate a situation when you arm the victim. Well, if we're going to be doing something here, we should do it decisively, not to prolong a proxy conflict. Well, I don't know. There's been specific military munitions, especially when it comes to the howitzers, that are missing key GPS components that would change the game.

But the United States is not giving them that. So that to me, I think this is, again, a very complex issue. I don't claim to know the answers here. I don't claim to know the solutions. As a Polish person, we always have a lot of distrust against the Soviets and the Russians. For good reason. And obviously so because of the history and the bloodshed and the life loss that was committed there. And this is a conundrum that that is is is is very

when i went to poland uh during the cold war because that again that was my field so i speak russian and i spoke i go to you know poland czechoslovakia bulgaria east germany romania so i would go there and because i spoke russian uh i got along because they had to learn russian right they had no choice so i would ask ask, let's say, a poll. So I would go, Я американец, I'm an American. Говорите по-русски. Do you speak Russian?

And every single one gave the same answer. Да, я не хочу. Yes, but I don't want to. It sounds like there might be people that want a limited war right now, like another Vietnam in Ukraine. Even Kissinger came out and was like, that's a bad idea, by the way. He's like the architect of limited war because it's better than a total war. But he's like, this is not the time or the place to do a limited war.

I don't know why. Maybe because corporations are the arms manufacturers right now and they don't care about any government. Well, not to deviate, I suppose, but Dennis, why do you think Ukraine's fallen out of the news cycle? People get bored when there is nothing new to report, and they are, understandably, more preoccupied with their own lives, whether right or wrong. And they are watching America crumble, financially, economically, morally.

And that's the reason. What is there to report? I mean, look, Vietnam, I mean, I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam War. And there was a point where people tuned out of the Vietnam War reports. They were still made. And, of course, that was much more directly involved because Americans were dying. Americans are not dying in Ukraine, which is another factor. Americans are not dying in Ukraine. So it's understandable. And that's the answer.

I want to show you guys this image. This is from James Lindsay, but this is something that we've actually talked about on the show. This is a poll showing five different regions of the United States and their propensity towards seceding from the union by region based on political party. You can see the southern states, which is Texas, Florida, Virginia, et cetera, shows 66% of Republicans favor secession. In the heartland, as it's described, 43% of independent voters favor secession. In the mountain region, the plurality is 43% of Republicans. In the Pacific region, I believe it's 47% of Democrats favor secession. In the Northeast, it's split fairly evenly, 39% Democrat, 35% independent,

and then a smaller portion of Republicans. So here's what I did. When I saw this story, I took each region, their total population, and the percentages based on political affiliation of population. Then I normalized it for the entire country using this data to find 37.2% of people in this country favor their particular region breaking off to form its own country. More than one-third of people in this country want their region to secede. That is an extreme extrapolation. I don't know if I would be comfortable talking about a third of the country because how many people were pulled here? 6,000?

And if you ask these people, how many of you want world peace? You'd get 98% of the people in the Northeast want world peace. They don't know what it means. They don't know what secession means. That doesn't refute what I'm saying. Just because someone doesn't know what it means to destroy things doesn't mean they're not going to advocate for it. But to say that 6,000

people want it, so therefore a third of the United States extrapolates is a misnomer, I think. I a misdirection. I just think you don't understand how polling is done. That's how polling is done. They get a small segment and then they extrapolate it to the whole and it's not accurate. Right, right, right. So when you're looking at various sample sizes, typically there's a scientifically weighted

polls that have a margin of error included in it. And to the best of our understanding, this is the sentiment. The point I was making is I think they don't know what that means to secede they want to everyone wants a nice peaceful divorce where everyone gets a smile go look at where harper's ferry is dude it's like between three like you don't say the bloodshed that went on okay so you're both right and i'm not trying to be a nice guy here uh that they don't really understand it's not feasible, is what you're saying. It's infinitely complex. It's not like the South seceding.

That's one whole region, and it leaves. Whereas, you know, what are you going to do to give Harper's Ferry the example you gave? But I think you're right that that percentage of Americans do want to leave the other part of America. I live in California, and if L.A., San Francisco decided to make their own state with all their wealth and everything else they had, I would be a very happy man. So I am in that little group. I know it can't happen, but if you were to poll me and ask me, would you like San Francisco and L.A. to secede from California and make their own very wealthy state? I would say I would love to and live in the other part.

It can't happen. So, you know, they didn't think the first Civil War could happen. They thought it was impossible. People were having picnics on the hill overlooking Fort Sumter thinking nothing was going to happen and it was all nothing. In fact, even after the battle, I'm not sure if it was Lee said, I don't even know if this battle matters. Sure enough, it was the battle that kicked off the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln wasn't even president when the first, I believe, seven states seceded. Then he comes in and he says, I do not recognize secession.

The southern states said too late. We seceded before you even president. Then he comes in and says, we're taking these military bases. Fighting breaks out. A whole bunch of other states are like, you've lost the plot attacking states. We are out as well. Nobody believed a state could do it until it happened. So I take a look at polls like this, and I take a look at numerous advancements towards seceding from at least counties or cities. We've got Oregon. A bunch of these districts in the east of Oregon want to secede from the state to join

the greater state of Jefferson, or North Carolina wants to secede to join the state of Jefferson to create a new state. The sentiment is there. And all that it takes for the sentiment to become reality is a lack of confidence in the system. In the first Civil War, the issue was, one of the issues, was the North was not following federal law, particularly the Fugitive Slave Act. The South said, if we have a pact and we all agree,

Congress, that's the law and you have to follow it, and these states do not follow it and the federal government doesn't enforce it, then there clearly is no pact. We're out. Because in their perspective, it was just, well, federal government doesn't enforce it then there clearly is no pact we're out because it's you know in their perspective it was just well they already decided that the that the federal government wasn't standing so we have no point in being a part of this union it's entirely possible that we see the same thing this time around that it may seem unthinkable until it just happens

gradually then suddenly i'm not saying that it can't shatter because the u.s could fall apart and shatter but it wouldn't look like that. It wouldn't be like six nice, cut neatly parts. It would be like, do you want to board your windows up and hope that the Air Force doesn't strike tonight kind of thing? And no one wants that. But these people don't get that. And I know that because we've had people say peaceful divorce over and over again. And what I tell them, Luke talked about peaceful divorce early on, Michael Malice has. And I say, that's what the first civil war was for the first

few months. It was a bunch of states saying, we hereby decree, have a nice day. And that was it until the issue of weapons came up. And then Abraham Lincoln, the union said, those military bases are ours and we want them. And the Southern states were like, well, you're no longer welcome here. And then they fought. And that led to a greater fight. Now, on the north side, you had a whole bunch of people who were ideologically driven, who absolutely were like, now is the time to shut down slavery.

And I think that was correct. But I bring this up just to say, when two different groups feel the law is not being upheld and that the social contract is already shattered, it's not an issue of them declaring secession. It's an issue of them saying you already seceded. Let me give you, if I may, a micro example. I advocate almost every day on my radio show that in the great majority of instances, parents should take their kids out of school and homeschool them or find one of the rare decent schools for their kids, a school that will not rob their children of sexual innocence at the

age of five, a school that will not teach them the lie that America was founded in 1619 and other terrible lies and calumnies about America. So that is secession. I'm asking parents to secede from the public school system and the private school system. So we have an irreparable divide. I say this with great sadness. But we always have religion, all these different fractured cultures and religions. That was the idea. It's not been this bad. It's definitely exposed right now.

No, this is new. This is new. Just like the war on free speech, that to me, that's all you need to know. That 45% of college students say that they are for free speech, but not for free speech for hate speech. That's the end of free speech. That you keep saying about not thinking clearly, that's a perfect example. but not for free speech for hate speech. That's the end of free speech. That you keep saying about not thinking clearly, that's a perfect example.

The whole point of free speech is that it allows speech you think is hate speech. Otherwise you wouldn't need the concept of free speech. Exactly. What is it, free speech for love speech? Are you an idiot? And yes, they are. They're idiots. And they were rendered idiots

because at 10, they understood the concept of free speech for any speech. But if they went to college, they don't. Here's my proposed scenario, which I'm not saying is probable. I'm just saying potential. Or maybe it's a very, very micro possibility. I'm just saying here's something I see as a possible path towards civil war. They keep dancing around Roe v. Wade,

Roe and Casey getting overturned. We had last night, scuttlebutt coming out of the DC, you know, staffers and journalists saying that the decision was coming today. And then it didn't. Now they're like, maybe next week, you know, we'll see. And it seems to me that they're really

just trying to shock everyone and then pull it back to try and desensitize them. But anyway, I digress. Here's my potential scenario. Roe and Casey are overturned. Abortion goes back to the states. Instantly, was it a dozen states have trigger laws. Abortion becomes illegal overnight. Blue states double down and say abortion to the point of birth, which we already see in Colorado and was attempted in Virginia.

There are, I think, a couple other states that have completely unrestricted abortion, which means a baby at nine months gestation, which could survive on its own, is killed and removed from the woman. I then think we're going to look at a red wave in November. And we've already had, you know, Jamal Bowman say that, oh, you know, civil war is at stake if we don't win this one. And there are people who are saying that the country can't exist at the midterms. It's over. It's civil war.

So let's say Republicans get in. You know, talking to, actually, let me ask you this, Dennis, are you pro-life? Yeah, I believe in compromising for the sake of the greater good, so that if we could have it, the second two-thirds of pregnancy, if we could make exceptions in rape and incest, fully understanding. I believe that it is a human life. Would you support a nationwide ban on elective abortion? A nationwide ban on elective abortion?

Meaning no reason given. I know. I fully understand that. Throughout the pregnancy? Yeah. In other words, even from conception, and even including rape and incest. I would not support that law, because the greater good for the country would,

I think, militate against it. I don't know about, I think, in the issue of rape and incest, but that would be... Well, so that it wouldn't be across the board. Well about, I think, in the issue of rape and incest, but that would be... Well, so that it wouldn't be across the board. Well, so I think Oklahoma, was it Oklahoma or it may have been Texas, I'm not sure. Oklahoma. They say no elective abortions, rape, incest, health of the mother and the baby are reasons for abortion.

Right. Would you agree with that, what Oklahoma's doing, or no, you think there's got to be some... I think it should be decided on not a national level. I think it should be decided on a state level. So I think that's what people pushed back on me when I presented this scenario. A lot of Republicans said, no, no, because we believe in the state level. So my potential is, talking with Seamus, for instance, who's a Catholic conservative, I said, would you support a nationwide ban on abortion?

He said, absolutely. And so let's just say, hypothetically, the chances are very, very slim. Republicans decide we are going to push for a nationwide ban on elective abortion, or at the very least, they say something like no abortion after 12 weeks. We're going to use the European standard. The left loses it and says, absolutely not. You then end up with it passing. We'll put it this way. The House and the Senate are Republican. They pass the bill. Biden vetoes it. They do not have a veto proof majority or they can't get past a filibuster. Come 2024, Donald Trump says, the first thing I'll do when elected is sign the bill. And then he gets elected. Day one,

he signs the bill, sends it out. Boom. Nationwide, no abortions after 12 weeks. The left says, we don't care. We're going to do it anyway. Blue states begin carrying on as if it's not, you know, not an issue. The issue I see there then is it becomes very similar to the issue of slavery. One state saying we deny personhood, everyone else saying we grant personhood. In this instance, you have conservatives who believe that life begins at conception and the fetus is a person deserving of rights. And you have the left that says they're not and they don't. So I suppose what I see there is a very similar situation, which could ignite a civil war. Blue states saying we will not follow federal law. Red states saying if you're not following the law,

then how do we have a union? Blue states saying we are going to do this anyway. And then red states saying, or at least the federal level, we're going to stop this anyway and then red states saying or at least the federal level we're going to stop you from breaking the law i suppose where it really gets dark is in um i think it may have been louisiana they attempted to codify abortion as homicide was it was it louisiana one of these states if that were the case ironically it is homicide well but unless the woman wants to kill it which is part of the the moral inconsistency of the pro-choice community. It is homicide. So let me entertain this legal conundrum.

If there was a man, a white man, who kidnapped a black man and had him in chains and was demanding he work for him and be a slave or something. You try to intervene and say, release this man. I'm going to save him. I'm intervening. If that crazed guy attacks you and you, in defense of this other man, kill him, you're acting in the defense of others. It's an affirmative defense as it pertains to the taking of a person's life. What my concern is, if we do see the codification of abortion as a homicide,

as a criminal act akin to any other murder, then could a person not defend the life of the child against the abortion provider? Well, that is the reason when you asked me do I want a national law banning all abortions

and I had hesitation even though I am pro-life, is that I think that the pro-life community as well needs to be honest in confronting the fact that we don't see it as identical to murder. I've never called it murder. I've always called it homicide. I've always called it immoral. But I've never called it murder. I've always called it homicide. I've always called it immoral. But I've never called it murder. And it becomes murder, I would say, by the third trimester.

I think it does become murder. I think there's a graduated element of sin or evil in the abortion world. But I asked when I began radio this question. If it's murder, why don't you kill abortion doctors? You can't. If next door to you was

a concentration camp killing Jews, you would feel morally obligated to murder the commandant of the camp. You made a comment about the greater good. We've got to go to Superchats. We're way late. We'll get in the after show. Sorry, man, but we're eight minutes late.

We're going to go to Super Chats. Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show, head over to TimCast.com. We've got a lot more conversation to be had. Obviously it's getting a little spicy, so we'll move this over to the website, members only show over at TimCast.com. But for now, we'll try and get as many super

chances, super chats super chances super chats in right now. Moon Phaser says Will Tim fight in the Civil War? Oh man, I do not want to be involved in that and neither do you. I have been on the streets of urban conflict that was

gradually, actually no I've been in a revolution before, not fun. I mean there's a certain element that's exciting to it been on the streets of urban conflict that was gradually actually no i've been in a i don't know i've been in a revolution before not fun i mean there's a certain element that's exciting to it but you do not want to live that way yeah it's it is it is scary stuff war is hell on earth yep all right matt nill says tim and dennis i never thought i'd see you in the same room but it makes my heart warm dennis i met you in orlando, Florida at the Holy Land Experience a few years ago. You said my beard made me look like Smith Bros. cough drops.

I remember that guy. Do you know Smith Bros. cough drops? No. I didn't think so. Okay, fine. Is it an older thing? I guess so, yeah. It's worth looking up on the internet.

Smith Bros. cough drops. Look at the little box. Smacky Frog says, hey, Tim, what pillow were you sleeping on when your back was injured? My pillow or our pillow? Need to know for science. It was some weird foam dense. I hate foam pillows. I hate memory foam. It's awful. And it's like my shoulder

back. It's like a combination of my shoulder and back. I strained a muscle really bad. So it's just taking naproxen like a leave and it's not good for your stomach. I'm looking at the dude's beard from Smith Brothers. That's hot. Yeah, good.

All right. John Harrison says, time to see if Ian is enough of a mad lad to start an anti-Christianity rant with Prager looking him in the eye. My money is on no. Okay, I'll take this as an opportunity to ask you, who do you like better, Jesus or Moses? Well, I'm a believing Jew. It's unfair to Christians for me to answer it because obviously if I thought Jesus had a better message, I'd be a Christian.

So I have great admiration for Jesus. I am probably the biggest non-Christian defender of Christianity in America. I think I brought more people back to their Christian church than almost any Christian living, to be honest. And I'm proud of that fact, but I'm a believing Jew, not a believing Christian. I should point out, I love the idea of Christianity being the anointed one living like Christ, but I'm not into the authoritarian nature of church, of the organization of it? Maybe we can talk about that at some point.

Well, yeah. Look, religion can't be a democracy. You don't vote on the Ten Commandments. This is like the old Jewish joke. Moses comes down. For those who don't know their Bible, he came down twice. He came down with the Ten Commandments the first time. He saw the Israelites

worshiping the golden calf and having an orgy, and he smashes them. Comes down the second time, and he announces, Israelites, I have good news and bad news. I got him down to ten. The bad news, adultery stays. So if people had to vote on adultery, they'd have voted to get rid of it. So there has to be an authoritarian element. God is the ultimate authority. Whether the institution can be authoritarian, I'm not for that. That I agree with. I am not for a theocracy.

In the sense that a religious government like in iran can tell you what to do religiously have you ever all right let's let's let's read some more yes every time i read the bible i hear from god but i have never directly heard from god all right we got fox tasha kato says hey tim and crew how is it that the left woke mob that is pretty small group and really uh and really on here in the U.S. has the most power, do you think this is backed by big tech and social media or something else? What do you think? How does the left have so much power considering they're actually a small group of people?

It's irrelevant. Again, this is where, unfortunately, my studies in communism work. So the name for the communists in Russia was Bolsheviks. Bolsheviks means majority mix, majority group. They were the minority group. But they called themselves the majority group. The Nazis were only one-third of the vote in Germany in 1932. And they took over. You don't need, and I'm not saying that the left are Nazis.

I'm just showing you that you don't need to be a majority to take over a country. I thought you made an interesting point. You need to be ruthless. You made a good point about banning free speech and just the curtailing. And I'm thinking about

algorithmic shadow banning where people don't know that they're being slowed down on the network. Like if you were in a room speaking to a thousand people and you didn't know that they weren't hearing you

and you were just talking and you thought they were hearing you, that would be unconscionable for the event that put it on. They would be slandered in the media for doing that to you. But on Twitter, if they've deranged your account, they can decide. Facebook has done that to PragerU.

I remember that. Yeah, yeah. Let's read this one. We got Lord Blueberry says they laughed at Dennis when he said leftist claimed men could menstruate. Bill Maher owes him an apology. Has Bill called you? You know what?

It's the last thing on my mind. I would like to go back on his show, and I won't even, I won't, look, I'm so happy that You've got to give him a look. You've got to be like, I'll give him a look. Fine. And I will say, I will say, Tim Pool told me to give you a look, and everybody will then be happy. I expect so little.

From leftists, I expect nothing. From liberals, which I think consider Bill Maher, there is so much a lack of courage among liberals that when there is a courageous liberal, I don't want to give him a hard time. Yeah. I hear you. It is what it is, I suppose.

I just wish Bill Maher would read the news. The more they know, the more they're on our side. It just, that's the way it works. That's the issue for me. I mean,

51 heads of national intelligence agencies in this country said that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. 51. I don't know of an exception among the heads of all intelligence in the United States.

It's corrupt beyond words. This is new in America. I grew up with such a veneration of this country and its institutions. It's actually, in some ways, it's worse for you who are younger than me, and it's worse for me, because I see what happened. When I was a kid, Superman was truth, justice, and the American way. Now Superman is no longer an American. Did you know that? Yeah.

He stood in front of the UN, and he announced, I give up my American citizenship. He is no longer truth, justice in the American way. It is now truth, justice and the better way. He's not an American anymore, Superman. I grew up in a country where you visited the graves of the fallen on Memorial Day. I mean, I grew up in a different country. These institutions did it to themselves. I mean, I grew up in a different country. These institutions did it to themselves. I mean, it started with the war machine, the lies, manipulation, WMDs, Iraq, all of this stuff, that disillusioned my generation, or at least I can speak for me and where I grew up, how we felt

about it. Now it's even worse. Let's read this here. We got Daniel Maxwell says there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution that says this country is a democracy. But Article 4, Section 4 does say the U.S. government is obligated to guarantee to the states a Republican form of government. Well, they wrote replicant, but I think they meant Republican because replicants are something else. That'd be great. Yeah, that's from... It's an important distinction. We're not founded to be a democracy. We're founded to be a republic.

That's why there's an electoral college. That's why there's a Senate. Neither was democratic. And that's why you have this multicultural democracy among the left where they keep saying our democracy is being threatened. They're not wrong. They are trying to create a democracy within a constitutional republic and subvert it. And they are threatened by people who believe in a constitution. You see people charging the Macy's the other day.

There's a huge crowd of hundreds of people in the mall talk about a democracy in action that's the mob they want to coordinate and no macy's one percent macy's is okay with it but that wasn't well maybe but that was an example of people on a facebook group deciding democratically you tell me it when macy's comes out and complains about it i will believe that macy's cares no macy's won't happen at macy's 100 percent day saleains about it, I will believe that Macy's cares. No, Macy's won't say anything. What happened at Macy's? 100% day sale. It was a big, huge group of like 100 or plus people just charging to Macy's to rob the place all at once.

It's called a raid. And they all run in and just grab everything. Wait a minute. Macy's is okay with that? I haven't seen an official statement. Have you heard them complain or issue a statement? Oh, they're probably afraid to complain. Well, you know what?

They may be called racist. Maybe. If, you know, I'm... They may be called racist if in fact, I don't know who did it, but if in fact it was largely one race, in this case blacks, I think it was, then it would be declared racist by them. Macy's, they're cowards. The left, do you,

this is my theory, do you know why Disney said what it did about, we won't say boys and girls anymore, or all of that stuff, this is my theory. Do you know why Disney said what it did about we won't say boys and girls anymore or all of that stuff? This is protection money. Yeah. It's a racket. You paid the mafia if you were a small business in New York. You paid the mafia to protect you.

You paid the left to protect you. That is what it is about. These corporate leaders are not leftists. They're cowards. All right, let's read some more. Andrew Lance says, Dennis, thank you. The Rational Bible, Exodus,

and your five-minute videos were uniquely responsible for turning my life around and returning to my Catholic faith four and a half years ago. Now I'm happily married with a baby on the way. Thank you so much.

That makes my day. That's awesome. That's right. So I just want to say, I'm very bad at self-promotion, but nobody writes a Bible commentary to get wealthy. But if every one of your, no, if a tenth of your listeners read any of my Rational Bible volumes,

it would enhance their life tremendously. I'm not here to make you Christian or Jewish or anything else. Just take God and that book seriously. Richard Knight says, I came home two years ago excited to tell my Christian mother about this amazing man, Dennis Prager, I had heard on the radio. Quote, oh, my favorite Jew, she exclaimed. God bless all you and everything. So I always correct. I always correct Christians who say I'm their favorite Jew.

I'm their second favorite Jew. That's right. Jesus is their first favorite Jew. That's so wild that he was a Jew. Have you ever heard the... A religious Jew. There was a bumper sticker in Greenwich Village when I grew up in New York

and it said Jesus grew up in a kosher home. I heard this. I don't want to like the super chance, but I heard this, this theory that the Roman, like the papacy or these,

these Romans oligarchs basically created Christianity to disempower the Jews in like, I don't think that's true. That'd be freakish.

Yeah. All right. There are a lot of bad things done to Jews that way, but I don't think the Romans were in cahoots to do it.

Anthony Green says to Dennis Prager, can a genteel truly convert to Judaism? Kind of Gentile, yeah. Gentile. As much as I deeply respect Judaism, my opinion is I cannot elect myself into the chosen people. My God. Both Judaism and Christianity hold that the Messiah will come from Ruth. Ruth was a convert to Judaism. Some of the greatest Jews who ever lived were converts to Judaism.

I don't know why he believes that, but I just want him to know he's more than welcome to become a Jew. All right. Fluffer Boy says, I live 15 minutes away from Ferguson. Hands up, don't shoot was a lie. Also, our landfill is on fire and has illegally buried nuclear waste from the Manhattan Project. May you live in interesting times. Wow, is that true? That's crazy.

All right. Soleil Cucumber Lime says, leftist signs is rooted in humiliation, not truth, justice, reason, logic, or morality. I agree. All right. Toobin's task manager says Genesis 18, please read numbers from 50 to 10, not down to one, just a minor correction. I just wanted to have it correct for the future. I thought you said ten. I don't think you said one.

Yeah, the argument, by the way, it's a very important thing for people to understand. I think you'll find this fascinating. The name for the Jewish people in the Bible is Israel. Israel means, and it's in Hebrew, and it's said so in the Bible, the name Israel means struggle with God, fight with God. And it began with the means struggle with God, fight with God.

And it began with the first Jew, Abraham, fighting with God over Sodom and Gomorrah. So I, to the great credit of the biggest atheist group in America, about 15 years ago, they invited me to debate their head about God's existence. I think it's Atheists United, but I'm not sure if that was the group. Anyway, the biggest atheist group, to their credit, invited me to debate. And it was a wonderful debate. I looked at the audience, all of whom were atheists, and I said, raise your hand if you ever doubt your atheism.

Like you see a baby born and you go, wow, maybe there really is a God. It's like a miracle. Not one hand went up. And then I looked at them and I said, whenever I speak to religious groups and I say, raise your hand if you have ever doubted God, every hand goes up. You think we're the ones who don't struggle and don't doubt and don't question. You're the ones who don't doubt and don't struggle and don't question. Projection. All right. Satan's Reject says reject says tim i just listened to will of the people by muse and i must say it's

terrible will of the people by tim cast for life oh uh yeah so i wrote a song uh and published it called will of the people just before the election in 2020 and it's part of a bigger project we're doing so we're planning on having an album out probably in August. We got a billboard in Times Square for the song now, showing the art. It's a really great depiction. And we're doing a big ad push because we're going to be releasing the Will of the People album.

Muse also released a very similar concept with a similar color scheme and theme of people wearing masks and pulling down statues. And I was like, wow, that's really a whole lot like what we did. And, you know, but it is what it is, I suppose. So if you want, check out Will of the People on YouTube, the song that we published. We've got a couple songs. We've got a whole bunch of songs that are like nearly done.

And we might have maybe even 10 songs by August for a full album. We'll see. We might just do an EP, but that's coming out. And we're going to do a big ad thing. And Will of the People by Tim Cass showing people in masks pulling down statues is in Times Square right now. I got to shout out Chicken City, one of the TimCast channels where the chickens hang out. I heard him singing Old MacDonald Had a Farm, the rooster. Literally, over and over.

I clipped it. It's on my Twitter. Go listen to it. I'm thinking a farmer heard a rooster sing it and was like, I'm making that into a song. No. You know, they did the EIO part. Ian, are you speaking to chickens again? Dude, watch my Twitter.

It is mind-blowing. He did it like eight times. He did it a couple days ago, too. It's one of the new roosters. By the way, you did that well. I'm not joking. And I went flat on the last note. He doesn't go flat.

All right, all right. Let's read some more. By the way, so you have a billboard up at Times Square? Yeah, we have two. And you're one of the figures on it? Yes, I'm on two of them. What do your parents think? I guess they're happy.

You're not sure? I'm assuming they're happy. I don't know. I was just curious. I didn't, you know, I let them. Do your parents share your views? I don't know. I think my mom does.

Yeah. Just curious. Interesting family. My dad was more conservative. My mom was more liberal growing up. I think my dad voted for Bush. My mom voted for Gore. Something like that. I think they both voted for Ross Per My mom voted for Gore. Something like that. I think they both voted

for Ross Perot. I'm not entirely sure. Yeah. Although, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know entirely because I don't talk enough about it. But I'm pretty sure my mom, I sent her like, hey, look, the billboard's up. And she was like, great. She sends me like a heart emoji or something.

I don't know. What did your mom say, Luke? Luke's up there. Yeah, she was pretty happy. She was like, this is cool. She was proud. She was like, I'm proud. Where do they live? I don't want to release that for security reasons. Uh-huh. They don't live in New York, I take it. Maybe.

Okay. All right. All right. Fine. Fair enough. You know, we also got billboards that says me on it in Chicago, and we're looking at doing a bunch of other ad runs. So I want to put up a PragerU billboard. In this case, not about me, but you know all these God loves you, God loves you, God loves you. I don't think that that's a critical message.

Maybe to some it is, and I honor that. I would love to put up some billboards and see what happens. God judges you. Yeah, it does. Huh? It does judge you. That's part of the guilt that people are feeling and the insanity that they feel when they're not connected to it, because it's telling you what to do. You know what you're supposed to do. Right. I can't think of one message that would tick more people off than God judges you. Let's read some more here. We got Vetcan who says, I heard a story about the origin of Polish jokes.

When they were forced to manufacture weapons for the Germans, they made them faulty on purpose, but played it off so the Germans just thought they were dumb. Big fan, Dennis. Interesting. Thank you. Let's see. Charbizard says, Yo, Tim, former Louisiana fry cook here. Let's open up TimCast Tenders together.

I got confidence in my frying skills. You won't be disappointed. I don't know if we're actually going to open a Tim Filet thing. If you do, make sure you fry the French fries in fresh oil and not the oil that's recycled from the chicken because that makes them kind of floppy. Don't use any kind of vegetable or seed oils at all. Lard?

We used to use lard at Hoppy. Natural butter, lard. All right. Crystal Mac says, Hi, Dennis. My 14-year-old son has been watching the PragerU 5-Minute episodes during his summer break. He is learning so much. He is going into high school, and he definitely will have an advantage.

May I just say in that regard, I believe this. I would happily be placed on a lie detector. If your child, except for STEM, science, technology, engineering, math, watched the 500 five-minute videos at PragerU, they would learn far, far more than at Princeton or any other college in this country.

Alright, NotMyRegret says, I see your take regarding monotheistic religions, just Christianity, and the belief in a singular God being our creator and determinator of the afterlife. But what is your view on religions like Buddhism, where there is a belief in the cycle of reincarnation and karma? I have great respect for Buddhism. There is a Buddhist theory that was told to me by my Buddhist professor in England that changed my life about all suffering coming from expectations that are not fulfilled.

And in my book on happiness, I have a whole chapter on not having expectations, and I give Buddhism credit. However, obviously Buddhism doesn't have a transcendental God, a transcendent God. I think that's an issue. And they do make peace with suffering more than I think people should. All right. D Stuff says, Mr. Prager, what is your view of Calvinism and predestination? And all human actions were predestined by God to occur,

including sin and salvation, and there's nothing we can do to change it. Big fan of you and Tim Kast. Great mashup. God bless. I believe in free will, and that would seem to undermine the belief that there's free will. Why could God punish us if he ordained what we would do? What do you think about Calvinism, though?

Well, that's it. That's predestination. So, look, a lot of people are better than their theologies, and a lot of people are worse than their theologies. In this case, I would say that Calvinists are better than their theologies. I've been thinking lately that it's both free will and determinism, depending on your state of mind. If you choose to live in a flow state, that you're functioning with free will. But if you just kind of fall into it, you just are along for the ride.

Well, right now, the biggest underminer of free will is the left. Oh, this guy, he committed a crime because of racism and sexism or poverty. People are not responsible for the bad that they do, except for white Christian straight males. They're responsible for all problems. But everybody else is not responsible. The great underminer of free will is the left. Jellycat says, Dennis, I've been following you for years, as long as I follow Tim. Tell this room of largely unmarried without children to start practicing what you preach. They'll be more credible.

I did. I made a strong case for getting married, guys and lady. I did. She's married. Oh, okay. Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay.

So you have to keep telling them. I'm trying. All right. What do we got? Stephen Hartman says, Nuclear power powers one-fifth of homes in the U.S. We produce very little U-308 and UF-6, enriched U-308. We source huge amounts from Russia currently,

who produces 40% of the world's enriched uranium. Why are we not using this carbon-free energy? Shout out to Sput. It's about control. That was the argument that we offered. Why is there nuclear power would be a rare example of

left and right agreeing on something what if we just had little nuclear reactors in our basement and every house had its own power like nuclear glass it would be very little because nuclear reactors are not gigantic look at how much they power

yeah you'd have this tiny little thing boiling water or something and then spinning a turbine it's like oh you gotta you gotta pour water back in the tank

keep it going I read a story once of a scuba diver who got sucked into an intake valve into a nuclear plant totally fine because the radiation

doesn't permeate the water so they were just swimming and they'd be rescued oh that's fascinating people think they're extremely dangerous I'll tell you with like Fukushima nobody died Because the radiation doesn't permeate the water. So they were just swimming and they'd be rescued. Oh, that's fascinating. People think they're extremely dangerous. I'll tell you, with Fukushima. Nobody died.

Not from radiation, anyway. Well, they got a big spill. It's bad. But that's a natural disaster that no one planned for. Well, it was an older reactor and it was a tsunami on the coast. I mean, it's the worst. It's an earthquake. There's nothing to be learned from it.

It's very safe nuclear power. Well, the modern technologies and developments have become much, much better. Right. All right. Wimplow says, Mr. Prager, will you read something from the Yellow Pages? I think they're saying they like the sound of your voice. Oh, that's funny. Do you guys even know what the Yellow Pages is?

Oh, yeah. We're not that oh yeah i'm born in 79 i had that old hot action yeah we had yellow pages growing up i used to memorize phone numbers you want to hear my yellow pages story do we have a minute yeah this is priceless so uh nobody in my family knew how to play an instrument or could read music. I refused to do homework. My mother and father sit me down in the kitchen. I'm in eighth grade. And they go, so what are you going to do? We don't let you watch more than an hour of television.

You won't do any homework. What are you going to do the rest of the time? So one of us said, I don't remember, maybe I'll study a musical instrument. They said, great. All right, which one? I didn't even know names a musical instrument. They said, great. All right, which one? I didn't even know names of musical instruments. So my mother says, all right, let's look in the yellow pages.

Number one, accordion. That's how I learned the accordion. There you go. All right, everybody. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show, and head over to timcast.com. If you sign up there, at about 11 p.m. we're going to be publishing the Members Only After Hours show. We'll talk a bit more about these issues that were getting a little spicy, so we'll have that up for you. You can follow the show at timcastirl. Follow us on Instagram. We post clips every day. You can follow

me at timcast. And if you haven't, search for Will of the People by Timcast on YouTube and check out the song we did, because I know a lot of people haven't actually heard it, but it's actually a short film and it's a political statement. So you might find it very interesting if you pay attention to it. Check that out. We got more music on the way and we're actually going to be producing a few music music videos for the album release, which will be in mid to late August. Dennis, do you want to shout anything out? Yes. Thank you for the opportunity.

So I do a weekly fireside chat for PragerU, and I think your listeners would love it. I do a weekly podcast with this young woman, Julie. It's called Dennis and Julie. It's easily found. And, of course, there's all the work that PragerU is putting out. We're trying to make the case for, as corny as it sounds, truth and goodness in a very sophisticated way. What about your books? Where can they get those?

Well, that's easily found on Amazon, any of my books. I have a book that explains America and the left. It's called Still the Best Hope. I have a book on happiness, and I have three volumes of my Bible commentary, two more to go. By the way, this is my claim to fame. Well, not my only, but a big one. Costco has ordered 25,000 copies of my next volume, Deuteronomy. And as I always say, and it's not meant to belittle Costco, I don't know if anyone at Costco can spell Deuteronomy.

So the fact that they ordered it... I don't think I can. Yeah, no, exactly. I don't think if anyone at Costco can spell Deuteronomy. So the fact that they ordered it. I don't think I can. Yeah, no, exactly. I don't think many Americans can. It's the fifth of the first five books in my commentary. Anyway, it's meant to change people's lives for the better. Cool. Hillary Clinton is pretty popular at Costco from the last that I've seen.

Is that true? Yes, yes. She was doing a book signing at Costco and that's the latest video that we saw from her. But I have a YouTube channel. It's youtube.com forward slash we are change. I just did a very interesting video on the billionaire fight

between Bill Gates and Elon Musk. That perspective and what's really happening and population control, all of that is being discussed on youtube.com forward slash we are change. Hope to join you there for the conversation after this.

I had a bit of a crisis while we were talking earlier about Jesus because the guy basically was a Jew and a devout Jew and spoke a lot about Judaism, but now the people that worship the guy aren't... Well, then, duh, you would be Jew. You would also be like him, like a Jew. Like, why? What the hell is going on? Let's save that for the members-only show.

That's a big question. I love you guys. We'll see you there. I'm so fascinated to have Dennis Prager here this evening because I have been eyeballing his Rational Bible and we've been going. We went to a Quaker meeting. We go to a Baptist church sometimes. We go to a Presbyterian church sometimes and we've been bringing our coworkers with us. It's been great. It's really

been an adventure since I've gotten married so we are really excited to buy the Rational Bible. I'm really thrilled that Deuteronomy is coming out because that is a book that is deeply misunderstood by modern people. Oh, God is so judgmental. How could he possibly make all these rules? How could he say all these horrible, violent things? The God of the Old Testament is so clearly different from the God of the New Testament,

so I'm really looking forward to that coming out. Thank you. Good. When is that due? October. Awesome. Very cool. Okay, we're going to get all those lined up.

Anyway, I am Sarah Patrick. It could be pre-ordered. Oh, cool. I'm going to do that then, right. Awesome. Very cool. Okay, we're going to get all those lined up. Anyway, I am Sarah Patchlands. It could be pre-ordered. Oh, cool. I'm going to do that then right after we're done here. And I also asked Julie to come on the show with us or told her to hit me up and see if we can get her involved talking to us, your co-host. Anyway, I am Sarah Patchlands. You can follow me there on Twitter and Minds.com as well as SarahPatchlands.me. We will see all of you over at timcast dot com but if you want to help

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