Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #565 - Dave Rubin SUSPENDED For Defending Jordan Peterson, Rogan ROASTS Biden w/Legal Bytes

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

Tim, Ian, Chris as guest producer, and Mary of Pop Culture Crisis join Alyte of LegalBytes YouTube fame to discuss Dave Rubin's suspension from Twitter, the hypocrisy of Crosby, Stills, and Nash as th...ey quietly return to Spotify after flouncing off to protest Joe Rogan's supposed racism, the creepy nurse TikTok video of posed grief, and Joe Rogan's declaration that Joe Biden is not even alive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So Dave Rubin got suspended after Jordan Peterson got suspended. And Dave Rubin got suspended on Twitter for tweeting that Jordan Peterson got suspended. We are in the silliest version of the censorship nightmare dystopia. But, I mean, it is bad that they took this old tweet. I say old, but like a week and a half old. And then this morning I get hit up by Dave and he's like, yo, they suspended me for this. And then I see that actually he was just like, hey, he has a tweet where he's like, Jordan Peterson got suspended. And they said that broke the rules. So Tim Kess reached out
Starting point is 00:00:31 to Twitter for comment. And Twitter said his tweet violated the rules on hateful conduct. Here's where it gets crazier. The tweet was about actor Elliot Page, formerly known as Ellen Page, for those that are not familiar. Ellen Page, as a phrase, was trending on Twitter for 45 minutes. BuzzFeed flipped out, reached out to Twitter and said, how could you break your own rule? So Twitter deleted the trend. We are in, you know, it's not quite Fahrenheit 451 or Brave New World or 1984. It's something much stupider. Hey, but at least we're allowed
Starting point is 00:01:05 to talk about it on these shows. We'll talk about that. And then in the vein of censorship, it's funny. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, remember when they were like, we're taking all of our music off Spotify because Joe Rogan's a bigot. Well, all their music's back on Spotify. Shows how far their convictions went. I'm telling you guys, if you stand up, speak out, speak out for what you believe in, you'll win. These people, they're just chasing after money. They take their money offline or I'm sorry, they take their music offline because they want cash and they think it's going to benefit them. When it doesn't, they come crawling back.
Starting point is 00:01:34 So we'll talk about that. And then speaking of Joe Rogan, he called Joe Biden a dead man in reference to, I guess, Joe Biden not being all that functional and Donald Trump running against him in 2024 and winning. So we'll get into all that stuff. We've got a ton of news today, a lot of censorship-based stuff. So we'll talk all about that. Before we get started, head over to timcast.com and become a member to help support our work. As a member, you'll get access to exclusive segments from the Timcast IRL podcast. We're going to have one of those up for you tonight at 11 p.m. You'll be supporting our journalists. And we're actually working behind the scenes on documentaries. We're going to have one of those up for you tonight at 11 p.m. You'll be supporting our journalists. And we're actually working behind the scenes on documentaries. We're going to be
Starting point is 00:02:07 working on a bunch of new shows that are going to be behind the paywall. The idea is to just start making as much content as possible for everybody who's members and make it really, really worth your while to be a member and just use the resources we get from our members to do cool stuff, journalism, movies, et cetera. And maybe one day we'll be as cool as the guys over at The Daily Wire. But for the time being, you can smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends. Joining us today is Alita Meshaka, aka LegalBytes. Got it right.
Starting point is 00:02:34 All right. How's it going? Good. How are you? I'm great. Who are you? I'm doing all right. Well, who are you?
Starting point is 00:02:41 Who am I? I am a lawyer. I run the channel legal bites on youtube um and um yeah that's that's who i am all right so we'll talk about the law we were we were arguing over alec baldwin before the show maybe that'll come up too because i'm like he did it and i'm banging on the table guilty guilty uh we also have mary morgan hi i'm Mary. I'm the co-host of Pop Culture Crisis, and I'll be shilling for it all night. That's right. Because we lost our resident Catholic, Seamus, we just had to pull in Mary.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Here I am. There you go. And then we got Ian. Hi, everyone. Ian Crosland here of Timcast IRL coming at you live. What's up? What's up? Lydia's out sick.
Starting point is 00:03:24 I don't know if Chris wants to say what's up. Yeah. He does. Is this the camera? Yeah. Hi. Lydia is sick today. Who are you?
Starting point is 00:03:31 Chris is filling in. Who are you, Chris? I'm Chris. I guess he's Chris. That's it. Give me more. I like it. He's filling in.
Starting point is 00:03:37 I want more. That's it, I guess. More. All right. Let's jump to this first story. We have this from the Post Millennial. Breaking. Dave Rubin suspended from Twitter after defending Jordan Peterson.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Rubin offered a defense of Jordan Peterson after he was suspended for tweeting about actor Elliot Page, using that actor's name prior to Page undergoing gender transition. So I think that's the real issue that got him suspended. So Dave, let me just pull up the actual tweet here. So this is a tweet from Jack Posobiec. Rubin Report has been suspended from Twitter for defending Jordan Peterson. Rubin tweeted on June 29th, the insanity continues at Twitter. Jordan B. Peterson has been suspended for this tweet about Ellen Page. He just told me he will never delete the tweet, paging Elon Musk. That was hateful conduct.
Starting point is 00:04:26 That, that tweet. He issued a statement saying, I have been suspended by Twitter for posting a screenshot of Jordan Peterson's tweet, which got him, got he himself suspended. While it is unclear how I broke their terms of service, it is clear that they are breaking their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders by letting a bunch of woke activists run the company. I hope Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter goes through so we can blow up their servers and humanity can move past this pervasive, twisted, self-imposed mental institution.
Starting point is 00:04:50 In the meantime, you can find me at rubinreport.locals.com, the platform I created to fight big tech censorship, something we need now more than ever. It's truly amazing. I mean, this is the insanity of the world we're living in. But this is where it gets crazy. Let me jump to this. I think I have this tweet here. BuzzFeed News said,
Starting point is 00:05:09 Elliot Page's dead name appeared as a trending topic on Twitter, violating the site's own policy on hateful conduct. In a statement to BuzzFeed News, a Twitter spokesperson said it was a mistake and has since been removed. Okay. That's it i understand i think some social networks have the the term that if you reference a tweet or reference a post that had gotten someone banned that that reference is also bannable offense and this is to get people to stop people from retweeting things that had gotten banned because then you're just kind of
Starting point is 00:05:44 getting around the ban. But it's reporting just factually on what happened. I think that's true. That's all that Dave Rubin said. But he said Ellen Page. You can't even acknowledge that Elliot Page used to be known as Ellen Page? No. You certainly can, but there are apparently repercussions. That seems so arbitrary.
Starting point is 00:06:01 You can. They'll just ban you or suspend you. This is like the most heavy-handed, nonsensical over-administration I've seen from Twitter in a long time. Let them do it. The more they do stupid-ish like this, the more regular people are going to be like, what? Yeah, dude. Peterson's off the platform. Jordan Peterson.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Now Dave Rubin's leaving. I never used Twitter from 2008 to 2020 because I thought it was insane and redundant. I already have Facebook as my text platform. I like the hashtag system, but it's just old tech. Garbage. It is a little scary to see that someone who is just
Starting point is 00:06:35 referencing something else happening, someone else getting taken off the platform and talking about it around the context can also be then taken off the platform itself as well. That is very alarming. I will say that from looking at Dave Rubin's initial tweet about it, it did look like, I mean, you can look at it from maybe I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but like, you know, he did say he did reference her or reference Elliot page is Ellen page, um, without any context of like, you know, like saying that, you know, the artist the artist formerly known as Ellen Page or something like that.
Starting point is 00:07:08 You know what I mean? Is that okay, though? I don't know. Is that allowed? I don't know. But that's still compelled speech. Over the weekend, I was talking to a five-year-old, and he was like, hey, stop calling me dude or man. Just do it once a day, and then call me by my name the rest of the time.
Starting point is 00:07:20 I was like, well, there's this thing called compelled speech. And he was like, what is that? You tell that five-year was like, here we go. Okay, in the United States, you can ask people to say whatever, but you can't make them say whatever. We have free speech. To a certain extent. A five-year-old legit said that to you?
Starting point is 00:07:35 He asked me to call him by his name, and I was like, well, there's this thing called compelled speech where you can't make me say things. So I'm allowed to call you what I want to call you. You should have been like, for that I'm calling you Dingus. The conversation got derailed before I really was able to illustrate the law. That's conversations with five-year-olds usually
Starting point is 00:07:52 are. It's important. Okay, Dingus, I won't call you dude anymore. There's this desire, even of children, to control reality by making people do what they want. Play the game. I want it to be played. Call me the name I want to be called. You're seeing adults do it now. It's really ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Well, are they adults? I think you hit the nail on the head with a hammer. These people are children. I mean, look, there's a subreddit called adulting. You ever see this? No. You know what I'm talking about, Mary? Just adults complaining about having to do normal adult tasks.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Yeah. They're like, I had to pay bills today. And there was one. It's crazy. There was a viral post normal adult tasks. Yeah, they're like, I had to pay bills today. And there was one, it's crazy, there was a viral post about adulting. And it's like 35-year-old millennial dudes being like, oh, I had to walk my dog today, adulting. It's like, okay, man. But there was one post and it was just like someone doing,
Starting point is 00:08:39 it was like, it went viral. And it was talking about their frustrations with everything wrong with the world. Like, why do we have to live this way? Like, why am I dealing with these things? And it's like, I get it. I get it. You never grew up.
Starting point is 00:08:48 You never want to grow up. You have Peter Pan syndrome, whatever it's called. You want to just go off to Never Never Land. You want to hide under the covers. Fine. But stop voting. If you don't want to be in charge, don't be in charge. You're making everything worse.
Starting point is 00:09:00 This goes to the tribal lifestyle. Like what we used to have were like a weak person would threaten the tribe's existence. If someone was severely overweight or just lazy or drugged out all the time, you become a risk for the tribe. The tribe is going to deal with you. Here's the thing you were mentioning. Like Dave did say Ellen Page. I don't think Dave understands why he wasn't allowed to do that. I think he was just like – he sees Jordan Peterson's tweet and he goes, whoa,
Starting point is 00:09:26 look what he said about Ellen Page. And they're like, ah, you got the name wrong. Like, how is the assumption here is that every single person knows about the personal life of Elliot Page. That's crazy. And to be fair, people have known about Ellen Page much longer than they've known about Elliot Page.
Starting point is 00:09:43 So, I mean, you know, someone could, he could very well have made a, just a very honest, legitimate mistake to say, I thought I was referring to the right individual. I don't, I don't think Dave thought twice about it. Yeah. I think Dave was just like, I can't believe this happened and just did a quick tweet. And that's it. It's like, oh, you've offended the woke police.
Starting point is 00:10:01 The crazy thing about this though, how Buzzfeed complained to twitter and twitter took a viral trend down for real yeah so can i just say my name's not tim anymore it's tom and then all the tim pool trends just have to be deleted confusing everybody technically i guess you could get it legally changed that'd be funny not even you should i don't did did elliot page legally change their name probably i don't know i never you know i don't make assumptions tons of people who change their names just change it they don't go to the courthouse and get it legally done some people just be like my new name is you know whatever prince or it became a symbol i guess yeah i heard that was for legal reasons though i don I don't know that specifically, but I do remember that.
Starting point is 00:10:47 I mean, the reason why they said the artist formerly known as Prince is because they were like, we need something to be able to sign legal documents. Yeah. You can't just put a symbol down. Like, you can't do that. You need to have some kind of a legal name. So that's why they would refer to him as- Is that under the law, though?
Starting point is 00:11:02 Like, you have to have a verbal name? Yeah. they would refer to him as is that under the law though like you have to have a verbal name yeah i i think i think also that's also why um elon musk said that they changed originally what they wanted their son's name to be him and grimes um ash whatever whatever they said they had like yeah but it's like they narrowed they narrowed it down to ash or something like that but like so originally he wanted like all kinds of different symbols and things that are not in the English alphabet. And so I guess the US government was like, you can't do that. What?
Starting point is 00:11:32 That's kind of messed up though. Ultimately, there's going to be a name that you verbally call a child. I mean, yeah. So what was that going to be? Yeah. There has to be, there has to be something. It's like Ash Archangel. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Something like that. Does it have to be a like germanic vernacular it has to be the english alphabet it has to be the english so you could theoretically go like right a w w a w a w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w yeah good luck saying that just if you say it wrong, I'll get you banned. If you get one syllable wrong, it's over for you. You are canceled. And then actually my given name was ah-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa. And I've changed it to ah-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa.
Starting point is 00:12:14 And so if you get it wrong, that's dead naming. That's pretty true. I can tell you as someone with a not very common first name that that would be a murderous name to grow up with. Well, yeah. I remember I was mentioning your issue when Washington Post came after you. That's so insane. And I think I said elite. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Oh, yeah. That's right. What am I going to get banned because I couldn't pronounce someone's name? Of course. You are officially henceforth banned. What was the WAPO situation? That was Taylor Lorenz. How she wrote an article about the supposed influencers
Starting point is 00:12:52 that really won from the Depp v. Hurd trial. She called you radicalized. In one of her subsequent tweets, yeah. She said, well, to be fair, she referred generally to radicalized influencers. And I don't know if she was referring to me and that umbrella guy or if she was referring to other influencers that were commenting on the whole situation in the series of errors that were not corrected or if it was like all of us all together. But it's a funny thing. All right.
Starting point is 00:13:25 So here's the gist of the story is you do legal commentary. Yeah. You were commenting on the biggest pop culture or one of the biggest court cases in the country. Yeah. And so she wrote this hit piece as though you were a grifter just trying to get money or whatever. And I'm like, it's a lawyer talking about pop culture. You don't get more mainstream than that.
Starting point is 00:13:44 Yeah. to get money or whatever. And I'm like, it's a lawyer talking about pop culture. You don't get more mainstream than that. And then what happens is she writes fake news about you and then you call her out. Other people got mad that she wrote fake news. So she's like, you're all radicalized. If you dare correct me,
Starting point is 00:13:58 you're all radicalized. If that's the least of it. In what ideology? Anti-Taylor Lorenz, I guess. Is Taylor Lorenz some kind of Amber Heard stan? No, she's not. Amber Heard wrote for the Washington Post. Supposedly, or Ghost wrote.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Right, right, Ghost wrote. But the point is, the article was published in WAPO. Taylor Lorenz works for WAPO. So, of course, there's a major conflict of interest. Yeah, there is. They were thinking about taking that down. But I think they just added a note. I don't recall if they actually ended up adding a note to it.
Starting point is 00:14:33 But my assumption was that they were never going to take that down unless they were actually compelled to do so. That's what I was assuming. I don't think they should be compelled to take it down. Dude, Taylor Lorenz has been having major meltdowns. She's losing it. Yeah, it reminds me of an abused dog when it's more likely to snap out and lash out at people coming up to pet it. If an animal's been abused, it's more likely to attack someone that comes near it, usually for the most part. Who did anything to Taylor Lorenz?
Starting point is 00:15:03 Who knows what her childhood was like? But for her to see danger all around her is like... She went to a Swiss boarding school, bro. Yeah, but a lot of rich people are twisted when they're kids by bad parents. It's not just that. It's that their snowplow parents clear out all obstacles so they never actually experience any hardship. So then they get older, the slightest snowflake touches their skin and they scream.
Starting point is 00:15:22 I don't want ill for her or anything, but for her to be seeing radicalization all around her is like, and yeah, there is radicalization going on reality. This fifth dimensional warfare, weird, you know, twisting,
Starting point is 00:15:33 but it's, you know, obviously if you see it all around you, then you got to look within because it's your own lens that you're seeing reality through. That's making it look a certain color. I saw this viral tweet. I didn't back check it.
Starting point is 00:15:44 So fact check me on this one, but someone tweeted Taylor ends. Actually, I think it was V certain color. I saw this viral tweet. I didn't fact check it, so fact check me on this one. But someone tweeted Taylor Lorenz. Actually, I think it was Viva, so I trust it. That she was like, people are getting sick at VidCon with COVID because VidCon literally did nothing to mitigate COVID. And then he also posted a tweet from VidCon where it's like, you know, vaccine and negative tests and masks are required or something like that. Maybe not masks, but it was like, you know, you need a negative test within three days to come to the event. So Taylor Lorenz is literally just making stuff up.
Starting point is 00:16:09 Yeah. Now, look, I don't care about this woman, but the issue is she is wielding the Washington Post like, you know, what was the name of the sword that He-Man had? Whatever. That one. She's wielding it like that. I don't know if it had a name. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:16:23 The Sword of Grayskull or something. Was it? Yeah. I don't know if it had a name. That's awesome. The Sword of Grayskull or something? She's holding up the Washington Post and using it to smack people around and cause damage to other people. That's the problem. The Power Sword. It's called the Power Sword. The issue
Starting point is 00:16:39 that I had with my run-in and with Tug's run-in with her was that it was something that really shouldn't have been an issue. It should have been just a very simple correction to say, like, okay, we're correcting it where I said that I reached out to them for comment, and no, I didn't reach out to them for comment
Starting point is 00:16:57 until after we had published. But they had several corrections on there where ultimately it said that the final resting place of this laundry list of corrections was that it said that she had not reached out to Tug at all beforehand, but she had reached
Starting point is 00:17:16 out to me by Instagram, which is literally the last place that she reached out to me. After Twitter DM, which was after I called her out on Twitter. This is the crazy thing. They play this game where they'll be like, we reached out to Ian for comment. He did not respond. And then like, what does that mean?
Starting point is 00:17:30 It turns out they sent a letter in the mail. Yeah, to an old address. To an old address. Yeah, smoke signal. Like we did legally, for legal purposes. I yelled his name out into the woods, but there was no response. It'd be funny if there was.
Starting point is 00:17:43 He got back to me. It didn it didn't even if i remember correctly i didn't even say that we had that we had not responded to comment but that we had declined or that that we we had we had essentially refused to comment yeah but that would require a response from us maybe instead of reach saying we reached out they should start saying they received our request for comment and did not because reaching out is different than. It doesn't even. If you reach out for comment in the middle of a forest, in the middle of nowhere. Don't be surprised when you don't hear back.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Yeah. But that's the game they play. Yeah. I can't remember who it was. There's always the implication. But they do this thing where they'll send a general inquiry to your info line on your website, which is you know like a low level level like so you know joe rogan never responded you know because they
Starting point is 00:18:30 like went to his website and submitted a form to his booking manager who threw in the trash and didn't know what it was info at joe rogan.com yeah things like that that they will or they'll like look your name up in the phone book and they'll call it and be like they didn't comment you're like bro there's a bunch of people with the same name as me who are you looking up they should say that we were unable to contact we were unable to get in touch with someone for contact but that's also just not true because you have to try or we did not that'd be a better way we did not get in touch with them for comment yeah i i what they what they do with these comments is they're trying to feign credibility that's the whole point and they want you to seem less credible so they'll be like oh they never got back to us that's their fault but here's here's the thing even if you get back to is they're trying to feign credibility. That's the whole point. And they want you to seem less credible, so they'll be like, oh, they never got back to
Starting point is 00:19:06 us. That's their fault. But here's the thing. Even if you get back to them, they're just going to twist whatever you say. Yeah. They're going to mangle it up. You're going to say something like, look, I'm a legal YouTuber. I'm commenting on a very public trial, and I'm taking my expert opinion for what it is.
Starting point is 00:19:22 And then they'll write, when they responded, they expressed that it's a very popular trial and it's good for business. And then when you're like, I didn't say that, they'll be like, well, that's how we assumed it to be. Yeah. And then what are you going to do?
Starting point is 00:19:32 Or something along the lines of like, this is yet another lawyer profiting off of poor people and their misery. Yep. So should you send a video response as your comment and then put the video response online later when you're like, this is where they got the comment from? Or just a public tweet. But it is better to do a public tweet because then everyone can read it.
Starting point is 00:19:52 But they will write whatever they want. Sure. Right. So I'll tell you this. Ian, how do you feel about bakery fresh cinnamon buns? Well, I'm not down with the carbs, but you know it smells good. When asked for comment on bakery fresh cinnamon buns, Ian let out a displeasing grunt, seemingly showing dissatisfaction.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Commenting, not pleased, dot, dot, dot. He even went on to say that there were problems with them. He said, I'm not into dot, dot, dot, the smell. Exactly. And then people are going to, but imagine from uh so so that's actually a good example because people are going to be like what sane person does not like the smell of bakery fresh cinnamon of course what's wrong with it right now imagine though it's something very similar to that but like political violence or january 6th or something and you'll say something like obviously
Starting point is 00:20:41 no one's going to come out and say i support all of this violence and they're going to going to be like, he responded with, dot, dot, dot, quote, I support all of this violence. I had this thought over the weekend that whoever controlled in the past, whoever controlled the newspapers, controlled politics. Like, you could write whatever you wanted and twist the entire world. Now it's just that with social media. Like, Twitter took down a hashtag of a trending. That's not how trending works. Trending is what's trending. It's really funny the reason they did it too.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Somebody was like, I don't like that name. Stop letting people talk about it. At some point, I think people will be fed up with private corporations controlling politics. Well, let's talk a bit about that. We have this story from People. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and not Neil Young. I don't know. Crosby, Stills, and Nash music is
Starting point is 00:21:26 back on Spotify months after Joe Rogan boycott. So the big story was that Joe Rogan, this compilation went viral and everyone was calling Joe Rogan racist and all that. He apologized for it. But all of these people were like, I'm taking my music off of Spotify. And Crosby, Stills, and Nash, as well as Neil Young, they did, and they're back. That's it. They're back. Actually, Neil Young, I guess half his music stayed on because he didn't own it anyway.
Starting point is 00:21:50 That was actually really funny. But this is really important. It shows you the depth of their values. None. Shallow. Not even an inch deep. They did this because it was major press. Let me tell you guys.
Starting point is 00:22:02 When I was doing the Occupy Wall Street stuff, I had all of these companies hitting me up being like, we want to give you all these things. We want to hire you. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something happened in the press. You want to put your press release and be like, this guy's with us now so you can get free press off of somebody else. I'm not interested. That's all they did. These guys, they probably had a manager who was like, guys, guys, now's your chance. It's big in the news. It's Joe Rogan. He's the biggest podcaster. Come out. We'll craft some line for you.
Starting point is 00:22:29 We'll take your music down for a couple months. We'll quietly put it back up. No one will say anything. You'll get tons of press. People will buy tickets to your shows. That's it. That's American politics. Politics is pop culture.
Starting point is 00:22:40 People are losing their minds. They're throwing bricks at each other's faces because of dumb people like this. I mean, an alternative explanation could be that they just didn't realize that it would have ultimately no impact on whether or not Joe Rogan stayed at Spotify. Who is making more money for Spotify? Joe Rogan? Yeah. Or this folk group that nobody's heard of? They're really famous. They were.
Starting point is 00:23:02 They are, but I mean, any more? How much money are they making off of streams? I mean... Anywhere close to Joe Rogan? That's right. That's the right point. From the demographics that are actually watching and listening to Spotify, particularly... They realized Spotify didn't care about their overinflated egos.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Yeah. They came crawling back and then saying that they're going to give their proceeds to charity for COVID-19 disinformation. To me, that seems like a very soft landing for them to return, to say, well, we're not doing this for ourselves. We're just doing this for everybody else. I don't know why they left. To begin with, Neil Young was the thorn,
Starting point is 00:23:35 and he probably called Stills, Nash, and Crosby and was like, dudes, we got to stop. Something, something, my politics. And they're like, well, Neil knows what he's talking about. All right, Neil, we got your back. And then they left, and they're like well Neil knows what he's talking about alright Neil we got your back and then they left and they're like
Starting point is 00:23:47 what are we doing this is ridiculous I mean anybody Neil left the band anyway anybody who knows anything about Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young
Starting point is 00:23:55 they've always been ardent authoritarians supporting the machine and the government this is par for the course for who they represent through their music their song
Starting point is 00:24:02 Four Dead in Ohio about the Kent State shootings in support of it was all about supporting the shooting they love that yeah This is par for the course for who they represent. Through their music. Their song Four Dead in Ohio about the Kent State shootings. In support of it. Was all about supporting the shooting. They love that. Yeah. I mean, they're about the most anti-authoritarian band in the 70s.
Starting point is 00:24:17 No, but one of the comments on this article was like about the fact that they're baby boomers. And baby boomers are all about having the appearance of being like freedom fighting underdogs. But they're actually like totally pro system. I wonder if it's like when you're younger, you just give the middle finger to the previous generation. And then when you're older, you're like, I think that's something they started. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:24:37 I don't think it was ever like that before. Didn't the baby boomers start that? I don't think so. I mean, there's that joke from the Simpsons we like to reference where Abe Simpson is like, I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what is is scary. You know that bit?
Starting point is 00:24:50 And then he's like, it'll happen to you too. Radio radicalized the youth of the time. And then TV. It was the TV generation finally was like, look at what we are. We can't have men beating women. It's not normal. Like, we've got to fix something about society. Because in the TV shows, they'd be smacking and smacking. They're like, wow,
Starting point is 00:25:06 what have we become? They were kind of the first generation. I like Sean Connery's James Bond. I like Sean Connery. He talks about backhanding women. There's videos of him in defense of backhanding. It's crazy. It's funny. Does he do that? Yeah. There's a video of him talking about
Starting point is 00:25:22 why it's quality and what's the value of it and all that on YouTube. Really? was well after it was like deciding good on him these guys just because of tv and mass media this is like the mass media generation these wasn't there like some singer who would beat his kids with a sack of oranges oh my god i don't know why it's not because the the it hurts you but the damage is to the flesh of the orange so it doesn't show marks or something like that. Oh, jeez.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's terrible. That's pretty brutal. Dude, I think, like, the silent, what is this, like, the silent generation or the lost generation? The World War II generation, they were brutal. Were they the greatest generation? No, that was before. I think when we started naming the generations, that was, like, when the mistakes started
Starting point is 00:26:02 happening. I mean, was it the lost generation? Is that the last one? Like, the first one we haven't recorded or something that's like the late 1800s 1800s yeah the silent generation no that was that silent afterwards yeah and then the greatest generation but there's like it's like it's like there's like overlap because you know so it's hard to define different generations because there's there's always going to be some some overlap between them because people have kids all the time yeah so. Yeah. So it's not like every seven years, everyone goes into a chamber to have children or something.
Starting point is 00:26:29 And there are various social events that will define a generation, that they go through certain experiences, that when you're towards the beginning or towards the end of that generation, you're going to have some blend with the other lifetime experiences as well. Like millennials have gone through 9-11 and the other lifetime experiences as well. Like millennials have gone through 9-11 and the Great Recession and COVID, but Generation Z or what have you hasn't gone through some of those earlier things. But there's going to be some blend between the two where the two intersect. I wonder how that's going to affect Gen Z. Obviously, the older generation had,
Starting point is 00:27:04 depending on which generation, you had Vietnam and things like that in the draft, the boomers. And then with the millennials, you had 9-11. And so, you know, I don't know how old you are. You're a woman, so do you mention your age? Sometimes, it depends on, you know. I have before. I'm 34. I can say that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, what I always say is- I think I'm 34. Yeah. You just ask a woman, are you old enough to where if I ask your age, you'll be offended? And then you can get a general idea.
Starting point is 00:27:27 So we all experienced 9-11, but you didn't, Mary. No, I was a year old. Right, right. Holy cow. Yeah. So you didn't – I wonder how that's going to impact your view of the world relative to everyone else. Because you're kind of like a nihilistic – Oh, I don't think I'm a nihilist because i'm catholic
Starting point is 00:27:46 so sure that's but i don't think i represent other people in my generation either um for that very reason it's like is gen z going to be more based or more woke you know what i mean so far like i would like to say more based but really the the reality is we're just more polarized so like more extreme on both ends yeah so when the millennials are in charge and then you're gonna have gen z gen alpha and then what comes after alpha alpha i don't even want to i think that's right i didn't even read us dude that's when the rise alpha is like the tablet babies during COVID who didn't see a human face for three years. Oh, man. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Alpha gen. And they can't read like these kids. They can't talk. Yeah. They're screwed. Yup. Yeah. You guys ever see that story about the scientists found a young girl that was raised by wolves
Starting point is 00:28:37 or something? Yeah. And she couldn't learn English. Right. Because her brain had moved on to a certain level of development where you need to have society in order for your brain, those neurons to connect. And if your brain develops beyond that point before they connect, you can't develop the ability to use language. Yeah, she could say like grunts. She could be like, eat, food.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Wow. Yeah, I think – Water. That girl, she was held captive by her father until she was found at 13 or so. Was that what it was? You're right. She eventually was able to use language, but she never was ever at a normal level. But it's like grunting.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Yeah, she was never able to be independent at all. Think about it this way, too. There are people who are extremely brilliant, but they don't speak English. When they learn English, they can't use English the same way a proficient English speaker would because their brains have already like hardened, right? So that's why you'll see people who are like in their 50s learn English. You can speak to them. You can communicate. But for some reason, they won't say like the or, you know, an or in like –
Starting point is 00:29:42 I think it depends on how many languages they've learned before that, though. For sure. I'm just saying that there are very intelligent people who in their native tongue could explain to you theories of the universe, but in English, you know, say, like, me like eat pizza. Fun. And you're like, I got the idea. Say it in your, you know, first language,
Starting point is 00:30:01 and you're going to be like, the beautiful thing about pizza is when you get the cheese and the sauce, and it's all melty and delicious, but they just don't speak properly. You know what I mean? Salvador Dali is a good example of that. He was like the first artist of the TV generation of like the mass media as we know it, radio TV.
Starting point is 00:30:15 And he was just Spanish. You know, I think it's Spanish is his native language. Barely spoke English. Very rough. And you could tell he's like brilliantly talking about the Fibonacci sequence in his art. If you've ever seen Dali's art, it's the most surrealist and amazing stuff. But when he speaks English, it's like you can barely understand what he's saying. And people would just sit there and kind of get bored, which is unfortunate because he was such a genius.
Starting point is 00:30:34 And people – it's funny. Oftentimes Americans assume someone's dumb. They're unintelligent because they're not that good at speaking English. I don't know. I think Americans are some of the most gracious about that because so many people have immigrated here. I think it speaking English. I don't know. I think Americans are some of the most gracious about that because so many people have immigrated here. I think it depends, though. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:49 I've seen both sides of that. Yeah. But try to speak French in France. They're going to be mean to you. When I went to Spain, they were mean to me. And I can actually speak baby, kindergarten-level Spanish. And they would like, man, I was surprised. I think in America, we at least appreciate that someone is Spanish. Yeah. And they would like, man, I was surprised. I think in America we at least appreciate that someone is trying.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Yeah. Yeah. I think it also depends on the size of the country too and the level of spread of that language across the world. If it's a smaller country with a smaller language or a language that's spoken by fewer people, they definitely will appreciate the effort. I think there's a through line with Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young with this because people from that generation, their brains have formed.
Starting point is 00:31:26 And now with this new information of the age, it's like, yeah, they knew that Vietnam was screwed. They knew that there was maybe false flags. They knew, but they didn't quite understand the liberal economic order, whatever you want to call it,
Starting point is 00:31:40 this world order thing that had been established. They didn't understand that there was a... They definitely will... There was like a multinational corporate attempt at a takeover of the planet. They just thought righteousness is good, the American government's bad, let's work it out.
Starting point is 00:31:56 I don't understand then why do boomers trust authoritarian regimes so easily? Why do they trust authority so automatically? They got a lot of value from the American dream, I put in quotes. They really sucked off the teat of the American just mass printing of money from 1950 to 1990. They became so wealthy and safe. And the worst thing is they think they earned all of it.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Yeah, right. It was their hard work to pay for. And then they call millennials entitled when the cost of living is so they earned all of it. Yeah, right. Like it was their hard work to think for them. And then they call millennials entitled when like the cost of living is so high. We were a colonizing slave state. They are entitled,
Starting point is 00:32:31 but the boomers are like just as entitled, if not more. Boomers are, boomers did a lot of really good things, but I feel like all generations have their good side and their bad side.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Sure. And it's increasingly getting polarized. So there are the boomers who are the lazy layabouts, the snowplow parents who raised really awful children, and then there's the boomers who made things like Star Trek The Next Generation and pursued civil liberties, and to this day we still have people that are boomers that are doing well. It's just that I think when we complain,
Starting point is 00:33:05 we focus on the bad and ignore the fact that we did get some really awesome stuff. I would not be here today if there were not good boomers who did something right. Sure. And the people listening to the show and everyone else's parents.
Starting point is 00:33:17 It's just like we are focused on the bad. So they're good millennials too. Obviously, we're millennials and we're doing all right. I think so. And then there are bad millennials who are screaming that like their rent should be free. But like what portion are each of those sides? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:34 I wonder. You need data on that. Yeah. But I genuinely feel like when you look at most social media, millennials are messed up. Let me see if I can pull up this story. Let me see if I can try and find a story. We're going to jump ahead a little bit, and I'll tell you how messed up millennials are. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Oh, this one. I got this tweet where I wrote, brain rot. It is a woman, and she's 11.6 million views. She posts on her TikTok, lost a patient today. And then she's like, she's had up the camera. She's filming herself. She leans up against the wall. Shake it off. You have five more hours. She's a nurse or whatever, or a camera. She's filming herself. She leans up against the wall.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Shake it off. You have five more hours. She's a nurse or whatever or a doctor. I don't know. Maybe a fancy doctor. And this right here is, in my opinion, the problem with everything. It's not just millennials. It's the younger generation on social media.
Starting point is 00:34:19 They're all doing this. They are desperate for validation and attention. And so everything about their lives is fake, made up. This is very scary, right? So we saw some tragedies take place in a couple cities, Philadelphia and in Highland Park. And why does that kind of thing happen? Well, we often talk about it. These guys want their name in the news.
Starting point is 00:34:38 They want to be on TV. They want people to know who they are. They want to be a part of history. They're often loners on antidepressants, things like that. So it all makes sense. No one is giving them the time of day. Humans are social creatures who crave social interaction. This is on the same wavelength, totally opposite ends.
Starting point is 00:35:00 Like, okay, some lady made a fake video where she pretended to mourn, and it's very vapid and all that stuff. Fine. She didn't go out and hurt anybody, so they're very're very very different but there's a similar thread stitching these things in that people are they will do whatever it takes to get those likes on social media so that they can feel validated because they don't have the mental fortitude to feel good about themselves on their own this is the millennial generation gen z is very similar all of these i remember i went to vidcon i think it was like 2016 and there were these little kids so this is eight years ago this is six years ago this is crazy there were a bunch of little kids and as i'm walking past and one goes how many followers
Starting point is 00:35:35 do you have i have 43 and he goes i got 82 you have 82 followers and i was like those kids are going to be messed up that's where where we're going. Gary Vee will tell kids that. Don't worry about the number of followers you have. Focus on the quality and having fun and being happy and making things you like. But this video is a perfect example of why the country
Starting point is 00:35:58 is imploding. And it really, really is. Think about it. What we see with virtue signaling, the woke people, Ellen Page, you better delete that viral trend because you said the wrong name. Yo, 99% of people, I guarantee you, if you walk down the street in any major city and said, do you know who Elliot Page is? They'd be like, no. And if you said, do you know who Ellen Page is? They'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, from X-Men. Like, did you know that it's bigoted to say that name? They'd be like, I have no idea. Yet those people would
Starting point is 00:36:24 innocently go on Twitter and say something like big fan of ellen page in those movies she is super cool and then banned not allowed that's happening because these people are like i'm gonna get attention here's a really good example do you guys see that what's his name griffin green you guys hear about this guy you heard about him right uh bodega bro oh oh yeah i didn't know his real name. I only knew Bodega Bro. Bodega Bro. So there's this dude.
Starting point is 00:36:48 This is an amazing story. He moves to New York for a job and he's this really kind of like – I don't know what the right word is. Doofy? It's like an endearing kind of general ignorance. Okay. I'm not insulting him. I'm saying he just didn't understand New York.
Starting point is 00:37:03 It's probably a good thing to be ignorant of for sure new york city but so he's walking around and he's like i'm trying to find a grocery store in new york i can't find anything and he's like it keeps google maps keep sending me to these places he's like yo what's going on and it's like they're making sandwiches it's a bodega someone reported him to his company they're like are you going to employ this person so they fire him people get mad at this dude who reported him to his company. And they're like, are you going to employ this person? So they fire him. People get mad at this dude who reported him. And so then that dude makes a video where he's like,
Starting point is 00:37:29 I'm being harassed on the internet. You have no idea what it feels like when people are coming after you. And it's like, bro, you just did this. These people, their brains are putty. It's mush.
Starting point is 00:37:40 They're going on social media and they're like, I'm going to get attention by tattletailing on someone. And then it's just a big swarm of people flinging crap at each other yeah all for the sake of getting more clicks getting more attention to the point where yo someone died i don't actually know if someone died she could be faking it but you're going to be wearing your scrubs frame your camera get it set up press record look back check your, stand back and then go, oh, this is how I want to look. It's the same callousness and indifference to human life.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I think really what's happening here, to me anyway, my impression is that we've really just commodified connection, which is something that ultimately we really need. Like you said, we are social creatures, so all humans need connection. And so as our technology gets more and more advanced, that that is supposed to ironically college days of sociology classes that I took on like our American cultural roots of being, cultural roots in Calvinism and Puritans and that kind of stuff that like, they would look for signs of being part of the saved, you know, the part of, you know, going, yeah, exactly, the elect, reaching salvation and whatnot. So they would look for signs for that being like,
Starting point is 00:39:10 you know, signs of wealth. It means that you're not spending your money. It means that you are accumulating your wealth. It means that you are working very hard, very diligently. So those were all virtues. So we just as a culture from our very, very cultural, early historical underpinnings, we have had a long tradition of sort of commodifying our virtues. So it makes a lot of sense that in the age of social media, in the age of likes and subscribes and shares, that that's the way that we'll view those virtues of having connection, having a personal connection with other individuals. And especially like a clip like that, that has a lot of emotion involved in it.
Starting point is 00:39:51 I mean, we're talking about death, we're talking about grief. That is a pretty strong, I guess you could say force for somebody to want to give some kind of connection to that kind of emotion. I think you're right about the commodification of virtue and all that stuff,
Starting point is 00:40:09 but there was a unified message in this country, so that commodification was mostly unified, a single track. When the Dixie Chicks, I think it was, do you know who the Dixie Chicks are? Yeah. You do, okay. When they came out,
Starting point is 00:40:22 I think they criticized the war, right? That's what happened? Yeah, the war in Iraq. George W. Bush. And then it was a bad thing. You can't do that. They got canceled. Now they're just called-
Starting point is 00:40:31 They had to go by the chicks? Yeah, now they're just the chicks. We were joking. Me and Brett were joking that you can't call women chicks anymore. So they're just going to be the. You can't. It's offensive. But back then, even though most, like you had Democrats and Republicans and you had a big anti-war movement, the mainstream narrative was don't rag on the soldiers or criticism of the war was criticism of the soldiers.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Something happened, and I think it has a lot to do with the internet, where a divergent culture emerged. We split. And two markets developed. You had a market for angst and wokeness, and you had a market for opposing it, free speech, liberty, freedom, all that stuff, kind of where we ended up. And then that market split, it probably could have been stopped if in the late 2000s, someone came out and was like, yo, yo, yo, yo, we are hard forking here as an American culture. But no one did anything. So American culture forked.
Starting point is 00:41:27 And I think it has a lot to do with in cities, with the internet, messaging spread so rapidly that the left dramatically changed their position faster than the right could keep in line with it. There's a good example I can maybe pull up in a second from the New York Times where it shows in 2008, the left veers off like that and the right just keeps going. When that happened, you end up with tens of millions of people all with money creating a massive market opportunity for woke virtue signaling. That will never stop. So at this point, I would say – I was wondering like how do we stop the country from collapsing? What are the real solutions? And I don't want to say it's blackmailed to think this. I think it's more realism.
Starting point is 00:42:08 You can't, and the reason is there is money to be made if you are woke. There is money to be made if you are anti-woke. This means that market forces and political forces necessitate the expansion of messaging in favor of these two massive groups. You could disincentivize money and focus more on goods and services. I think that's something that could keep us together. It's how do we get the grain from Kansas around the country so we can all eat? That and, I mean, there's also the possibility that people get oversaturated by it and people get tired of it.
Starting point is 00:42:40 And then eventually they want to find something that is a little bit more moderated. I just watched a documentary on BuzzFeed yesterday. I think it was yesterday or the day before. And how they were really leading, spearheading this, what you were calling a commodification of what's called hate or whatever. But like 2012, 13, it's like identity politics. They'd be like 25 things that black people can identify with, 12 things that women really want, 18 things a gay man can get down with. And you're like all of a sudden it's getting – then it's like a black gay man. And then this hate gets involved, like four things that you just – women just can't stand.
Starting point is 00:43:20 And then the Boston bombing, people are profiting off of the news. Anyway, I could go on about this. I want to break that down. I want to show this real quick and then explain what Ian is saying. So this is what happened to the political center from the New York Times. And you can see in 2008, the left, the Democratic Party – look at that chart. Just look at that. The blue line shooting super far left. You see what's this median party?
Starting point is 00:43:38 That's the median party of Europe. So the United States, for some reason, in eight years, became left of center for European political parties, which are already relatively far left. Now, of course, the left will look at that and say, oh, see, we're only center left, Republican Party's far right. And it's like, no, no, that's American culture. You can disagree with it. But this shows the left went far left relative to where Americans are. And I'll tell you how it happened. As he was pointing out, BuzzFeed was creating articles where it was like about black people, about gay people.
Starting point is 00:44:08 Those were buzzwords. The algorithm would latch onto words and then pump them out. And what happens, I remember this, man. You guys probably remember this too. I don't know if you remember this. All the police brutality videos,
Starting point is 00:44:20 that's all Facebook was. It was like you'd go on Facebook and it was just endless videos of police brutality, rap about police brutality that's all it was so what happens is you get companies like buzzfeed where they're like hey we got a million clicks on that police brutality video why well because people don't like injustice then they were like hey hey i made an article that was talking about police brutality and racism got twice as many views so they start cramming all the different keywords as possible into as many articles as possible. And then you get intersectional feminism.
Starting point is 00:44:49 And it's not. And then they'll be like, hey, there's no racist, violent things that happened today. What's our next article going to be? It's not that they're going out there and creating the racist violence necessarily, but there is an incentive to see more racist violence. And you will literally, as someone that does that stuff, hope for something like that to happen so that you can make a lot of money off it. It's sick. So here's the fight. Here's the political battle. Can you pull this back up, the New York Times thing? If you are in the middle of the road from 2000, let's say you weren't a Democrat, you weren't a Republican, you were a moderate, were a moderate you're in between you likely did not get pulled far left along with the democratic party you probably
Starting point is 00:45:29 floated somewhere in the middle like this like me maybe to a certain extent a bit like ian or a bit like joe rogan or elon musk so now if you were in the middle the republican party well they're kind of right wing compared to where I am but the left I can't even see where they're at so this is what happens there was a tweet
Starting point is 00:45:49 from Libby Emmons about how the Democrats went so pro-abortion that a lot of people just were like like Democrats were like yo I'm out and they lost the fight
Starting point is 00:45:56 they had no support anymore and then I see this on Twitter the commodification of virtue the centrists are just far right the center has moved far right
Starting point is 00:46:04 the moderates are being radicalized and And I'm just like, if you are in the Democratic Party and you veered that far left, you don't think you moved. You're the same normal person you've always been. It's like if you go underwater and then you look up at people on the surface, you're like, everyone's blurry now. Exactly. But like, dude, that's because get out of the water and everyone's still normal, man. So here's the issue though these people they built a following they've got millions of followers they can't just stop cnn they used to be they used to cover the news now it's just orange man bad all day every day january 6th and whatever they can milk out of it if cnn comes out now and says,
Starting point is 00:46:46 we're going to go back to reporting the news, no one will watch them because they'll lose the zealot fans they got and they already lost the news fans. They lost them a long time ago. So they have no choice. It's an addiction and they've done it to themselves. Yeah, I was just thinking that
Starting point is 00:46:59 I think an important factor in that is the actual emotional addiction or maybe not emotional, but the addiction that some people actually have to, to these emotions that they feel, um, with regard to these, these,
Starting point is 00:47:13 uh, various stories. Rage is a big one. Um, what's her face that, uh, when she, she testified in front of Congress about Facebook.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Um, this was, I don't know how many months ago. Um, one of the, she was a former, she was supposed to be working on their like, their election. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Facebook whistleblower. Yeah. But she was talking about that, how she, she had said that there was,
Starting point is 00:47:35 there was some kind of studies. I'm, I'm, I'm really reaching back without having looked at this after months. But she was saying that that was, that was one of the, one of the, one of the big issues is that issues is that people were actually having, they were showing signs of addiction to rage. And so it's like, how do you get somebody off of that sort of a substance when it's everywhere and there's every incentive for them to continue profiting off of it? Well, so there are, Dave Rubin's got this, Joe Rogan's got this, I've obviously got this. There are people who take clips out of context on purpose
Starting point is 00:48:09 because they know there's a market for tribal rage. So we try to have people on the left on this show, and we've had a few, but I would say the overwhelming majority of them won't come on. They'll cancel, they'll refuse, or they'll use it to rally their base because they're virtue signalers. So there's one guy in particular who's like, oh, come on. And then when we actually were like, okay, sure. He, he privately says, I'm not actually doing it. Then goes to his fans and blames me for, for not allowing it. And now he uses that to rile them up and say, see, see what I told you. And it's crazy because I'm like, yo, we genuinely tried to have some of these people on and they legit spit on us and laughed and said,
Starting point is 00:48:45 now we're going to make money off you. Then they go to their base and say, there were the actual bad guys. So this is the crazy thing. We are trying to get those people out of the cult. They think we're in the cult, but these are the people who believed Jussie Smollett. These are the people who believed Russiagate. These are the people who believed Hands Up, Don't Shoot. These are the people who believed the Covington Kids story. These are the people who believedagate. These are the people who believed Hands Up, Don't Shoot. These are the people who believed the Covington Kids story. These are the people who believed Ukraine Gate. These are the people who believed the Very Fine People hoax. These are the people who never once stopped to actually check the evidence themselves. And there are many of them. And
Starting point is 00:49:15 they have money. And their money is easily parted from them by these people. That is the big challenge. And so long as there are these prominent left-wing personalities who will pander to them, there's going to be a division that is moving us towards catastrophe. But that being said, this next story is a bit more of good news. From the Washington Examiner, Joe Rogan will never have Trump on podcast, not interested in helping him. Now, that isn't the story I'm actually pointing out. You have to dig a little deeper to see what the big story is. And it's where Joe Rogan says Trump is running against a dead man. That's the important point. Joe Rogan has praised Ron DeSantis saying he'd be a good president. He doesn't want to help Trump. But if the regular person, if Joe Rogan is the barometer for UFC commentator, mainstream comedian, I'd be willing to bet Joe Rogan is the barometer for UFC commentator, mainstream comedian, I'd be willing
Starting point is 00:50:06 to bet Joe Rogan is where most Americans probably are. And they are not far left. They are tired of the woke stuff. They don't like Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis would probably be all right. That's good news. It means that cult may have been breaking itself so far off from the mainstream America that eventually they're going to lose money, run out, and then they're not going to be a part of the economy anymore. And when that market dries up, people start walking away. I have to imagine with Joe Rogan being who he is for the past several years, saying what he said, a lot of regular people are moving away from that stuff. They're getting out of it so he's not threatening joe biden by calling him a dead man
Starting point is 00:50:47 but he's basically pointing out that joe's not going to win he can't win right i think joe's been saying that for a while though hasn't he rogan yeah yeah about button oh no no for sure for sure i just mean like here's the latest context around it so does he mean i'm not interested in helping trump because trump doesn't need any help at this point? He has no competition. He's saying he doesn't. I think Joe says I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm not going to help him out.
Starting point is 00:51:12 I'm not going to have him on the show. Now, that says to me, Joe Rogan's taking a hard political stance. Because for me, as a host of a show, I actually don't care about helping someone or hurting someone. That's ridiculous. You know, no offense to Joe. My attitude is if we're going to have a conversation and talk about these things and we need to, well, maybe it'll help you or not.
Starting point is 00:51:34 But it's interesting what Joe's saying right there, that if Trump goes on his show, it will help Trump. What does that mean? It means that Trump is more correct, that Trump will expose the media's lies, and that will help him. Obviously, it'll give him exposure. But if Trump was wrong about everything, going on his show would expose him, right?
Starting point is 00:51:53 It would hurt him, wouldn't it? Right? Yeah, that makes sense. Joe logically checks out. Joe thinks Trump is right to a certain degree. Maybe not on everything. Maybe he doesn't think he's a good person. But he thinks enough that if Trump were to come on his show, it would benefit him.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Or at the very least, he just thinks that Trump is a very convincing person. Maybe. But I think the reality is, Joe knows that, that Rogan knows Biden is out of it. And that people elected a guy who was burning this country to the ground because they hate Trump. Trump will come on. Trump will say, remember 2019? Remember this policy? Remember when I did this? And people are going to be like, that's true. And there is a reality to what Donald Trump was doing when he was president that, man, he had a potty mouth. He was not a nice guy in a lot of ways. He's a nice guy in a lot of ways, but not a nice guy in a lot of ways. And I think if people start
Starting point is 00:52:45 hearing what trump has to say on a platform like that it will greatly help trump not because he's just convincing but because he's right it would help trump in general to have more public uh showings i i haven't even seen him talk and like i think i saw one interview with him in the last two years i'm kind of with joe on this in that i think about having donald on this podcast because it would one it would be great for the podcast they'd have huge numbers two you know whatever it's political and that's all that matters is feeding fodder to part of me is like wow the profitability of of selling out wow but i don't never really i mean trump's just divide he's he's like divisive i don't know I don't hate him, but I'd have Biden on the show, too.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Why? It's not like I hate the guy. You'd have them both on. Yeah, because of the political prowess, because they have been the president of the United States. Well, you could have some interesting conversations with either one. I would love to have Biden on this show. It'd be great.
Starting point is 00:53:36 I would rather have Biden than Trump, you know, because I just... So, Burisma, Viktor Shokin, Mykola Zlotchevsky, let's talk Ukraine, buddy. You'd be like, I gotta go. Yeah, he'd be like, I'm leaving. With Trump, I'd say stuff like, I disagree with your fraud narrative. I'd ask him questions. But Trump's issue is that
Starting point is 00:53:54 they call him a liar all the time. And I'm like, maybe he's just wrong. Trump lies about dumb ego stuff, like how big and famous he is and things like that. I don't care about that. He makes big promises too, with I think no idea of how to follow through. Like, I'm going to drain the swamp.
Starting point is 00:54:08 What did that even mean? Did he even have an idea of what that meant? Because he didn't fire a lot of people. There was an actual pool outside the White House that he was actually going to drain. Oh, it was the swamp. I see. So we're still waiting on that. I kept my promise, and I did drain the swamp, by the way.
Starting point is 00:54:20 It's the septic system at the White House. You can go swimming now. I can ask Trump. So, like, the things I could criticize Trump over is like the state department was advertising uh trump properties in the uk that's not okay uh trump tried using durell in florida for i think it was the g7 that's not okay trump eventually rescinded and said okay i won't do it i thought i was going to save him money and i'm like it's conflict of interest but he pulled he was pulling our trips out of the middle east like the one thing you can really get him for is like you're kind of a dick to a lot of people and people
Starting point is 00:54:48 didn't like that but so was joe biden joe biden launched his campaign off the very fine people hoax it was a hoax that's the craziest thing his campaign video was that donald trump praised white nationalists which never happened he made it up to make people hate. That is psychotic. I think they're both kind of a dick. Biden was really mean to that guy who was asking him about something. The gun control guy. Yeah, and he just lashed out.
Starting point is 00:55:16 He lashes out at people a lot, but maybe it's just because senility. That could be part of it. Well, he's done it for years, I remember. He points his finger in people's faces. Yeah. So aggressive. If he was doing it in private, okay, maybe then I would question. But he did it in public on TV right in front of the world.
Starting point is 00:55:33 Which is what makes him seem senile. Do you know that people are watching you act crazy right now? Well, it's like- It feels like immunity. The way he puts his finger in people's faces, you're asking for it. Yeah, it's really aggressive. I was weird. The kind of guy that'll grab your arm really tight till it hurts yeah i was gonna say the way he puts his hands on women's shoulders and sniffs their heads is a bit not women children well children as well yes yeah what a creepy awful man you know
Starting point is 00:56:00 look donald trump locker room talk all those nasty. I'm not a fan of any of it. And there's a lot of people who really love Trump for who he is. His diehard supporters, they're like, we're glad there's a guy in there who's going to tell people. And I've laughed. I understand what funny is. When he called Stormy horse face, when he said only Rosie O'Donnell, you know, when he called, what did he call? He said, call someone a fat pig. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:56:24 I think so. It's something along those lines, I think. Entertaining, funny, celebrity drama. Me personally, I'm like, maybe not in the White House. No, it happens. Definitely not in the White House. Too late. I know, it happens. We need lawyers in the White House and legal analysts and scientists and things like that.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Lawyers. Like Obama. Too many lawyers. Isn't every single lawyer joke about them being in hell? I thought Obama's. Pretty much. Obama was a constitutional lawyer, I believe. And that was valuable.
Starting point is 00:56:51 He wasn't an idiot when it came to constitutional law. He knew what to circumvent to get things done. That's for sure. And I remember when he said, if you're like me, I will know all the legal loopholes for blown up kids. Too many of them. But we do need people to understand the Constitution in the White House that respect the Constitution, I think. Constitutionalists maybe is a better phrase than lawyers. I think Trump is what you get when the people are neglected for too long.
Starting point is 00:57:14 And I went to these Trump rallies, and there are so many people who are like, I've never voted before, but I'm voting for this man because he's finally sticking it to the machine. The Republicans and Democrats were snooty elites without they were better than everyone else. And that needed to change. So now you've got the Trump populists, the left populists hate the Democrats and hate the Republicans, but support the Democrats because they hate the Republicans more, which is dumb. But the whole thing is just kind of going to, it's, it's falling apart. I actually think Ron DeSantis could probably save the country, but I don't know if he'll actually reform it to the degree it needs to be reformed. He would just stop it from imploding. You know what I mean? He does seem to have the same sort of ability to make Trump-like changes, but without his tweets. But I don't think he'd go he goes as far as we need him to
Starting point is 00:58:05 i'm all i also fair point you know even about this stuff i don't know if trump would drain the swamp either he didn't do it the first time he brought more swamp monsters and he got rid of some of them but brought more in maybe he was getting jammed up by the russiagate stuff and couldn't do it he might win re-election and say okay now i've got one more term i don't have to worry about the swamp so i'm going to ignore it. Yeah. And if he doesn't go in there and fire everybody, then what's the point? Then Ron DeSantis, I think, would do better.
Starting point is 00:58:31 I mean, I think you were right about his foreign policy stuff because he was trying to stop the war, a lot of the war in the Middle East. Maybe heavy-handedly, like moving the Israeli – what was it? What did he move to Jerusalem? He moved the embassy? The embassy. Which was basically saying, hey, Palestinians, F you. It was basically like picking a side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by putting it in Jerusalem and saying this is an Israeli embassy in Jerusalem, which is supposed to be split between the Israelis and the Palestinians. So that was like some kind of brute force ignorance, I think, politically.
Starting point is 00:59:09 The conservatives loved it. Of course. They've been waiting for that. Half of the people loved it. The other half of the people are like, what the heck? One of the things Joe Rogan brought up in his interview with Lex Friedman, that's where the quotes come from, is that they were people who abandoned all principle and logic
Starting point is 00:59:21 to attack Trump and his supporters because he was a threat to democracy or something. It was legitimately insane. The way they lied about Trump all day, every day. And there was a meme among centrists. Stop making me defend Trump. It was people who are like, I don't like him either. But yo, that's not true. There's a really funny skit someone did. And they were like, why are you saying that? Are you are you a trump supporter no it just that didn't happen they were like you support trump it's like okay dude i don't know how we're supposed to survive as a country if you can't even just be like this is what's true this is what's not true nobody wanted journalism they wanted confirmation bias and that was the cult well i think one place where i've started to see a change is in in my corner of youtube which is live streaming trials.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Starting with the Rittenhouse trial, that was the first eye opener for a lot of people to say, oh, the media is lying to me about everything that happened in Kenosha that night. And then more recently, but those were people that were of a particular
Starting point is 01:00:18 political demographic, more people on the right. Now we have the Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard trial, where people are saying the same thing, but they span the entire political spectrum. I mean, I have people that are literal socialists that are saying, the media is lying to us about this. What else are they lying to us about? Good. So if you're looking for a potential ground for change on social media or on the
Starting point is 01:00:42 internet in generally, that could be one of those places. Yeah. The mega corporate internet media or the mega corporate media apparatuses is, it's just the fact that the reporting on these trials is just so different. And when people have the ability to actually watch them for themselves and to evaluate the evidence, evaluate the arguments that are put in front of them and to understand the law that's actually at play, um, they actually at play, they're able to come to their own conclusions. And this is, I think, one of the reasons why channels like mine, like Ricada Law, like Viva Frye, Emily D. Baker, a bunch of other people in LawTube, like we like to call it,
Starting point is 01:01:17 the reason why these channels are growing is because we're giving people the ability to make their own conclusions using the evidence and just sort of like acting as almost like law Sherpas to like guide them through the process. Yeah. I think schooling is kind of obtuse in a lot of ways. Like they make people go to medical school for 12 years or something to learn how to do something that you could really learn how to do regardless of the amount of time it's going to take you. You could learn how to do it.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Same with law. If you can learn the info, why do you have to spend $600,000 in 11 years or whatever, eight years? So you guys are kind of teaching the information without the badge. And the process too. That actually is the part that I think is more confounding to most people is not so much the actual information, but the legal process. What is trial actually like? What is litigation actually like? Because everybody comes in contact with the law, regardless of whether they're in litigation at some point in their lives or not. But most people will come in contact with a legal process at some point as well, whether that's criminal law or litigation, like civil
Starting point is 01:02:19 litigation or probate. Somebody's parent dies and they have to administer a trust, you know, or, or a will or something like that. And, and, and automatically there's, I mean, part of it is the, is the expense, but automatically there's a lot of fear for most people. So, you know, if you can, if you can help people understand the process, um, that they are, that they are about to enter into, it eliminates a lot of fear. Like I had somebody on Twitter that tweeted at me and several others saying, I am a DV survivor. I'm supposed to testify against my abuser next week or next month or something like that. And now after having watched the Dept v. Heard trial with all of you guys, I have way less fear about what to expect because I understand the process now.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Did you see the journalists during the Amber, the Depp and Heard thing where they were like – I can't remember who it was, but they said, the court actually claimed that there was malice. Look at what Johnny Depp did to her. And it's like they have no idea what they're talking about. They don't look at the legal filings or the language and say, what does that mean? They say, I know what it means. I don't need assistance.
Starting point is 01:03:24 And malice legally does not mean the same thing as malice colloquially. Right. So actual malice. Actual malice. Yeah. So these journalists are writing nonsense and they're like, the court actually claimed there was malice despite Johnny Depp having been accused of doing X, Y, and Z. And it's like, that has nothing to do with what the court's saying.
Starting point is 01:03:41 Yeah. The court's saying she knew what she was saying or either she knew what she was saying was wrong or was reckless disregard for the truth. That's it, right? Yeah, exactly. When Roe v. Wade dropped, you know what I did? I was like, whoa, I better call a lawyer. It's crazy. I think that the big difference between the corporate press today and whatever this show is and whatever your show is, is that we're very much like, hey, we're probably wrong. Let's ask experts and see what they have to say about this. Journalism. Now, mainstream corporations are like, we know because we're smart and we're dumb.
Starting point is 01:04:05 It's a very scientific method, form of journalism. Assume that you're wrong until you can replicate it and figure out what exactly it is. It's the way it should be done, I think. It should be, but isn't. So now we're... I mean, I guess going back six, seven years, trust in the press has been at all-time lows.
Starting point is 01:04:26 So good, fine. But they're still getting tons of money. They're still controlling the news cycle. They're still manipulating the narrative. And we've got to change that and take it over. I've been thinking about this, and the interesting thing is millennials are going to take over soon. You've got boomers are starting to retire out. Gen Xers are taking the reins. However,
Starting point is 01:04:46 for some reason, Gen X is just ignored. Have you noticed this? There's never a part of the conversation. Millennials are going to start inheriting these machines. And you look at people like Taylor Lorenz. Yeah, she's a millennial. Is she? I'm sorry. I don't mean that as a joke. I mean that actually because I know that there's a lot about her age, and I'm just genuinely confused. Well, to the best of our understanding. I think she lied about her age once as a joke, and now it's got everyone twisted and confused.
Starting point is 01:05:16 Okay. Bill Maher, in referencing the Washington Post fighting with Felicia Sonmez, said, This is why, millennials, we don't want you to take over, because you're a bunch of whiny entitled brats. And the Felicia Sanmez thing was hilarious. Did you see that one? You guys know this? It was happening around the same time. Dave Weigel,
Starting point is 01:05:32 their star reporter or a star reporter, retweeted a joke where it said the joke was every woman is bi, you just have to figure out if it's polar or sexual. And so he retweeted that. She complained. He got suspended without pay pay she would not stop attacking the company she gets fired bill maher was like this is the problem with millennials well it's
Starting point is 01:05:52 the problem with the millennials the institutions i'll tell you this the millennials who aren't there have started companies they're becoming successful they're working in separate industries and and it's the problem is that bill maher missed he missed this. He's like millennials. Oh, look at him at the Washington Post. Like, yeah, we don't associate with them either. And we're millennials. We're starting our own businesses. We're starting our own channels.
Starting point is 01:06:12 We're starting our own websites. We're building up our own subscription bases. The people who can't do that are begging the Washington Post for a job and then crying all day until they're fired. See the difference? So the Washington Post will probably crumble under the girth of its entitlement from millennials. And then the Daily Wire, Timcast, Legal Bytes, Viva Frye,
Starting point is 01:06:31 all of these channels are going to start growing, hiring people, expanding, or remaining as independent personalities who can fund themselves. As you were saying that I was thinking of, I think it's less about what generation you were born in and more about your state of mind. There are a lot of independent creators that span age 80 to age 11 or age 17.
Starting point is 01:06:51 But that people that are born more recently have been born more in a nanny state. Basically, it's like a technocracy that they're trying to build where it's like a spy state. And so they have this appeal to authority where you may be more likely to appeal to authority or may find yourself around people that are more likely to not that it not that you're bound by your generation to behave a certain way but it's just the nature of the gradient has been shifting i think right now if you want to be rich it's simple make not woke content that's it yeah and a platform you can do it on i suppose so if you uh start a rumble channel do comedy that's it so much comedy is just really really awful i think rogan was also talking about this that woke comics are just really bad just maybe it wasn't rogan so i probably probably
Starting point is 01:07:38 rogan i feel like i've heard him say something i don't know if anti-woke comics are that much better uh but look if your comic is obsessed with wokeness, that's their whole bit. Maybe. Yeah, but I mean, being anti-woke is like such an obsession too now. But I'm not saying like woke comics aren't always joking about race and white supremacy. They're avoiding these subjects. So there was one video I watched where it was a woke comic and he was mocking himself. And I'm like, it's just not funny.
Starting point is 01:08:09 I mean, I guess Rodney Dangerfield, self-deprecating humor and all that stuff can work. But then you watch people anti-woke. I don't mean they're comics who are literally attacking woke people. I mean, Ryan Long, for instance. He's anti-woke. Not that he comes out every bit and just makes fun of wokeness, but that he's willing to tell offensive jokes that don't fall in line with wokeness. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:08:30 Would you say Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais are those types of comics? Kind of. For the most part. The willingness to be offensive and Dave Chappelle did a bit in his comedy special back in 2018 where he did a Chinese stereotype and it was just really old school racist chinese stereotype and everyone laughed at it like that's anti-woke right like he was purposefully poking people and being offensive but in his most recent special he was real defensive they got him they got him run for his money so uh ryan long's got a bit right now where he's a he's a singer saying that it's women's right to get an abortion, specifically one woman.
Starting point is 01:09:07 And then he names a woman who he's like, I accidentally knocked up and you better get an abortion. So it's funny. That's comedy. That's the joke. But it's as offensive as you can get when he does his routines. That's anti-wokeness. Disregard for wokeness. Ignoring it.
Starting point is 01:09:22 It's funny. I think that stuff's going to keep growing and working. I mean, we're talking working. We do the Cast Castle vlog. If you haven't subscribed, go to youtube.com slash castcastle. And we're doing skits and bits, and it's relatively family friendly stuff and silly slapstick humor and Mary's lurking in the
Starting point is 01:09:37 attic for some reason, like some weirdo. Like screaming, flashing a light. Yeah, stuff like that. But we've been talking about, even with Seamus from Freedom Tunes Seamus mentioned this we had a bit a couple of them that YouTube would never allow that are actually family friendly but they offend the political sensibilities of YouTube we had vaccine jokes like just mocking the political you know air around it and stuff like that and we were like yeah if we that skit, it would not be offensive to any parent. Children could watch it and ask their parents what it meant.
Starting point is 01:10:10 It wasn't lewd or anything like that. It was just about politics. But YouTube would delete it for wrong think. That's the crazy thing. So that means there's a huge market for humor on Rumble. So if you do comedy, just start making Rumble videos and they'll go viral because people are looking for things to laugh at. The Daily Wire is growing so rapidly because the hole in the market is so big that like, I think the Daily Wire has got
Starting point is 01:10:36 like four or five movies and they're close to a million subscribers. Four or five. Hey, the opportunity is right, man. People don't want this stuff. Just got to do it. Well, I mean, that's why I was saying earlier is that, you know, sometimes people will have an oversaturation and there will be a reaction to that. So with that comes an opening in the market for people to try to, you know, get something, you know, some kind of a product or a service that otherwise fills the void that exists because everybody else is oversaturating that market, being wokeism.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Yeah, I'm just wary of anyone who's trying to sell something anti-woke, anti-cancel culture, but doing so while sanitizing the entire topic. I think Piers Morgan Uncensored does exactly that. Oh, he's awful he's like i'm canceling cancel culture like it's so you're not threatening anything you're not pushing any boundary and no one is afraid of appearing on pierce morgan uncensored yeah you know it's it's
Starting point is 01:11:39 yeah it's gimmicky it's cheap it doesn't mean anything to anyone. I mean, even the after show that we do is like moderately okay. We'll swear a lot and we'll say things that offend delicate, woke sensibilities. But even we are not extreme edgelords just trying to poke the bear as hard as possible. We're just trying to speak freely, you know? Piers Morgan is uncensored, but it's like as normie as you're going to get. He's like, let's talk about this controversial subject. It's like everyone's talking about that. Jordan Peterson was talking about that five years ago.
Starting point is 01:12:10 Come on, man. But outside of – when we're talking about comedy, I'm not saying – if somebody makes a show where their whole shtick is woke people bad, it's like, okay, we get it. Just make good stuff. Terror on the Prairie, the Daily Wire's movie, it's not like a bunch of, you know, woke people on horseback with purple hair right up
Starting point is 01:12:29 and they're like, oh no, we gotta fight back. It's just a Western. It's just a Western. And there's a woman and she's like, I'm gonna fight. They were like, we made a movie. It's a story. That's it. It's not anti-woke.
Starting point is 01:12:41 It's not woke. It's just a movie. Yeah, like if you have a field of crops and all the crops are dying, the way to combat that isn't by like making fun of dying crops. It's to grow crops the right way. Exactly. That's it.
Starting point is 01:12:52 It's a good metaphor. Well, that's why we started Pop Culture Crisis. It's because we – I was like, look, the two things we don't want to do is make woke content. That's a given. We don't like it. But also anti-woke content where all we do is just be like, oh, look at this, look at that. It comes up.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Seth Rogen said a thing on Twitter. We'll be like, oh, that was dumb. But it's not like we dedicate everything to just going after wokeness. That's what it was very much like in the early YouTube era. And I feel that's why a lot of those early YouTubers bowed out, quit, or failed. It's like, dude, you can't those early YouTubers bowed out, quit, or failed.
Starting point is 01:13:28 It's like, dude, you can't have your whole identity be based on someone else's identity. That's true. You need your own. You need to stand up for what you believe in and talk about that stuff. That's why I also really don't like talking about people like Taylor Lorenz and stuff. Granted, she specifically represents a very powerful brand. She was in a high position until she got demoted. And so that's more representation of institutional power. But I try to keep it to the news and the info and so that we can have a real conversation around this stuff. Yeah, it's exhausting to try and make a career
Starting point is 01:13:55 off of talking about what's wrong with other things because then you're always looking for new problems and to the point where you may be happy to see them get created. It's insane. Insane way to live. It's not healthy, I don't think. That's a very good point. I think people, regular people that are just totally ignorant, don't know.
Starting point is 01:14:16 They don't know anything about what's going on. They don't know what Rumble is. And that's one of the big challenges. So long as we keep working, we keep growing, we keep marketing. I'll say Parler had a Times Square billboard. Good. The more people who see that and ask, what is that? The better. We obviously had our Times Square billboards. We had Ian up on a big 40 some odd foot screen. The 70 foot screen, the biggest one rejected our ad because they said the word politics was in it and that's all that matters. They don't care about us or anything like that, but they were like, the word can't politics.
Starting point is 01:14:46 We can't do anything with that. The Daily Wire's had a couple different billboards up in Times Square. Taking these cultural spaces is extremely important. I've been getting tons of ads on Reddit and Facebook for the Daily Wire, and I'm glad every time I see it because these spaces have been ignored by whatever you want to call it, the anti-woke factions or whatever. The ads aren't explicitly like, whoa, this is bad. It's just like, hey, watch our show. Good. We had, I think we were talking with Billy Prempeh. He was running for, as a Republican in a very blue area and Kimberly Klasick, she was running in a very blue area.
Starting point is 01:15:22 And I was like, good. Like these Republicans have abandoned urban centers because they're like, what's the point? We're not going to win. And my response is a person who, what is this thing? A society that grows great when a person plants trees whose shade they know they will never sit beneath. So if you start campaigning as a republican in new york city you're not going to win but you're planting trees man of course you're not going to get an orange in your first season that's going to take 10 20 years before that that you know fruit that that plant bears fruit there's balance you don't want to plant trees where you know they're going to get mowed down and destroyed in the next five years because like it'd be like going to a war zone to
Starting point is 01:16:03 talk to be open and honest you're going to get killed in the war zone so like you do want to plant your your psychological trees in places that maybe aren't the easiest to grow but you got to make sure that you're not wasting your time at the same time fair point that's true too but i feel like that's one of the biggest problems we have in this country is that democrats and republicans both at some point said if i can't win easily i won't waste my time and now you're getting hyperpolarization so we need to make things for the other side it's not about winning it's not it's about doing you don't need to win every competition you just need to participate i mean it's the joy of participation i think that may have may be lost in society. I had to learn how to lose and to love it, or no one would play games with me because
Starting point is 01:16:49 I would beat them at video games over and over and over and over, and then they'd quit. And I'd be like, well, now I'm not. So I had to actually let them win without them knowing so that they would keep playing. And I had to find joy in just the process. I've heard some studies about the animals will actually do that, too, because there's an importance of play that comes with the learning process. I've heard some studies about like the animals will actually do that too, because there's an importance of play that comes with the learning process. So even it's not just humans, but other animals will do that. There's like a certain like percentage of time that like an older animal or a bigger animal will during playtime will allow the smaller or younger animal actually win because
Starting point is 01:17:22 otherwise they don't want to discourage them from playing with them in the future. So we need more Democrats and Republicans letting Republicans and Democrats win. Or allowing for the possibility that they'll lose at some point, understanding that there will be something in the process in the long run that will benefit everybody.
Starting point is 01:17:41 I think the issue is the American cultures are just too divergent. We don't even speak the same language anymore. Same words with altered definitions sometimes. The culture has diverged so far in this country, we don't speak the same language. I don't know. I think it depends on the subject matter. Again, like I said, the fact that I'm seeing on my channel, my viewers have very much diversified in their politics. And a lot of that comes from the fact that the reason why they've come to my channel in the first place is not politics.
Starting point is 01:18:18 It's something else that is politics adjacent. I mean, law definitely has a lot of overlaps with politics as well. But it's something that everyone really cares about. This whole like mass of people cares about. But it's not politics exactly. But it's the kind of thing that introduces them
Starting point is 01:18:35 to other conversations that we have about law that also overlaps with a lot of these topics too. Maybe the challenge is we need some kind of service guaranteeing citizenship, right? You guys are familiar with that?
Starting point is 01:18:46 That's from Starship Troopers? Yeah, service guarantee citizenship. And I said that in some form. The issue is when you have low – what's the right word to say this? Uninterested individuals. They're not interested in politics. They're interested in tribal fighting. They'd be better off watching the Sox versus the Cubs or something like that where they can have in tribal fighting. They'd be better off watching, you know, the Sox versus the Cubs or something like that,
Starting point is 01:19:05 where they can have their tribal values and have it be in an arena that doesn't impact the rest of the world. If people are going out and voting, like AOC, right? Ocasio-Cortez, when she went on Colbert and just made up all that nonsense about Dred Scott and Abraham Lincoln,
Starting point is 01:19:22 it was so laughably bad. I'm like, and her vote negates mine. We're still, she's in Congress. So we need, we need some kind of, look, if you're not interested in politics, we really need to know because you will make everything worse for everyone else. This is the challenge, making sure everybody has a right to participate, but also making sure they actually want to, right? Look, when someone posts on Facebook saying we should ban assault rifles, and then I respond with, assault rifles are regulated under the Hughes Amendment, and they're very difficult to get, here's why, and they respond with, shut up, fascist,
Starting point is 01:19:54 you're an idiot. I'm like, okay, you really don't want to ban assault rifles. Because if you did, you'd be like, tell me how to do it. So when I, I commented on someone's profile earlier, and I said, I think you mean assault weapons. Assault rifles are regulated since 1986. They're actually very difficult to get. It started with the NFA. If you're talking about assault weapons, let's figure out what you're specifically going for. You're talking about foregrips, pistol grips, things like that. And then you say, I don't know what you're talking about. You're dumb. Who cares? We just need to ban it. And I'm like, okay, well, you're're not going to and you clearly don't care because i didn't insult them or anything like that their whole thing is team blue team red
Starting point is 01:20:30 and that's all that matters and then they have their talking points i you know i i think like it's glorifying to think maybe we can remove the idiots from the process and just have the smart people do it but like that just is like it towards genocide. I don't understand how would we hold people – what would be the process? What were you saying? Yeah, I was just thinking what would be the criteria for intelligence? Are you talking IQ or EQ or some combination of the two? Well, I don't think intelligence is a determinant factor in whether or not you should be voting. It's a question of whether you actually want to or not.
Starting point is 01:21:05 So I'm not saying only the smart people vote. I'm saying you actually have to walk to the voting booth to vote. You know what I mean? Like, do you really want to vote? Or is someone sitting there over your shoulder saying, did you vote for my guy? So the issue is when you do like universal mail-in voting, you're going to have someone sitting there playing video games. And then their roommate or their mom's going to come and and be like take your thing and fill it out vote for biden they go i don't care and like do it now they go fine whatever so there there needs to be some
Starting point is 01:21:34 degree of i am choosing to do what needs to be done to vote so at the very least you get up you walk to the to the street and you fill out the form you you get rid of that and you're going to have a whole lot of low tier uninterested people being like, whatever you say, man, I don't care. So like a 10 minute 50 question questionnaire kind of thing, like a personality test that Jordan Peterson does. Understand yourself. Understand myself. I think y'all are assuming way more than I'm implying.
Starting point is 01:22:01 I'm implying like you have to go to the local voting booth to vote. Like just literally go and do it yourself as opposed to mailing it in. I think maybe demonstrate that you have a stake in the future of the nation, meaning have families, have practical skills to offer it. I mean, you can take it to the next step and make more logical arguments. I mean, there's a lot of challenges in restricting voting rights, for sure. But the argument initially was you had to be a landowner to vote. And the left says, wow, how offensive, because they're basing today, they're basing yesterday off of today. The reason they did it was obvious. They didn't have IDs. How did they know you actually lived
Starting point is 01:22:40 there? You owned a plot of land, so you went, you voted. Then when we entered this hyper dense urban, you know, society, we were like, okay, well now there's a lot of people who do live here and can prove they live here, but don't own the land. Oh, okay. We got to do away with that. So then we're like, okay, you have to come in and vote, fill out the form. You have to choose to register. You have to show up and you got to do it. And I'm like, all those things are good barriers to say you actually want to vote. Not that don't got to be smart i mean it is a problem when dumb people vote for dumb things sure but that's representative democracy or you know how our public works at the very least though you should be able to get off your couch walk a couple blocks and vote i would love to see people have to
Starting point is 01:23:21 live somewhere for like a year before they can vote locally. That actually is true in a lot of jurisdictions. Oh, that's good. There's residency requirements. The problem is you can move somewhere. Didn't Andrew Yang try and do this? He got in trouble. He was like, I'm going to move to Georgia and help the Democrats win. And it's like, that is so crooked.
Starting point is 01:23:39 Yeah, Matt Walsh did it in Virginia, I think. He didn't vote. He didn't vote. He did it to speak at a council meeting. Because they tried to keep him out. That's different. It worked. I mean, it's just he exposed a flaw in the system, in my opinion.
Starting point is 01:23:50 But he wasn't doing that for politics. He was trying to speak about family and kids at a school, and they changed the rules to bar him, so he rented a basement. Andrew Yang said, quite literally, I'm moving there for the purpose of politics. And then they were like, hey, that's illegal. That's the problem we have. I mean, eliminating mail-in voting entirely would also create a problem for the armed forces, for people that are deployed overseas. Yeah, but you have to apply for those. So before we did universal mail-in voting absentee ballots you filled out a form
Starting point is 01:24:25 they'd mail it to you you had to do the bare minimum to say i really want to do this now what do we get we get democrat activists knocks on a door and says that right there fill it out and they go just fill it out right now put in your mailbox okay fine whatever what what biden sure fine and then there you go fair point we're walking like a line between incentivizing and disincentivizing voting. Is that what this is? Like, you don't want to incentivize. You don't want to give people money for voting.
Starting point is 01:24:50 You want to slightly disincentivize voting. Make it a little bit annoying. Like, go to the place. It's not even. I mean, to be fair, it's not even annoying. It's like, go vote? Is it really that hard to just go and vote? Now, it should be a holiday, in my opinion.
Starting point is 01:25:04 Yeah, that'd be huge. And I've heard Republicans be like, well, that's bad for us. I'm like, too effing bad. People should not have to work on voting days, and then they should have to get up and go do it. The alternative is universal mail-in voting is a disaster. It's an absolute disaster. Security risks, etc. Yeah, I think I'd be in favor
Starting point is 01:25:20 of both of those, the combination together. Making it a holiday and making it so that people have to do something in order to vote one day no extended no early none of that absentee voting for people who who need to do it and you fill it out and you get it and then voting day is a holiday you don't got to work i mean we have fourth of july you don't got to work then all right so vote vote election day is a holiday and if you if you'd rather go to the beach and go party please please do it that wasn't even an issue for me in uh 2018 voting in the midterms when i had just turned 18 i had to skip school to to do that for like half a day like i
Starting point is 01:26:01 didn't want to do that you didn't want to skip school no i was a nerd really and then in college i had to do a mail-in vote too because i had classes then too that's horribly obnoxious right yeah like who wants to go through that the service guarantees citizenship thing takes it one step further i mean in starship troopers it was like you had to sign up for some kind of community government service it didn't have to be military but you had to in some way serve the community otherwise you didn't get to be military, but you had to in some way serve the community. Otherwise, you didn't get to vote. There's a really good logic behind that. If you're not willing to contribute to the community,
Starting point is 01:26:31 why should you get a say in what the community does? Only when it gets dangerous when the community is like Nazi Germany and they're like, participate in our process or you have no say. Participate in an approved way only. Well, isn't that the premise of Starship Troopers 2? Wasn't it supposed to be like a, what's the word for it?
Starting point is 01:26:51 Classically liberal? No, I mean, it's supposed to be mocking fascism, isn't it? No, no, no, no. It was supposed to be like a utopian liberal society. But it was a militant autocracy. I mean, I don't know who was at the top. I don't think that's correct. Any utopias.
Starting point is 01:27:05 The movie apparently was – I thought the premise of it was that it was supposed to be mocking the – The movie. So Carl Benjamin did a – I might be wrong. Carl Benjamin did a breakdown of this because he's a huge Starship Troopers fan, that the original in the book, it was basically classically liberal, that you have to provide for your community.
Starting point is 01:27:26 Otherwise, you have no say in it. But civilians don't get to vote, but they're entitled to all equal rights. You do two years of service in any way. It's not military. Then you get access to voting. And then in the actual book, I think it's like the bugs attack Earth and bomb them in Buenos Aires. Even in the movie, that's the case. But for some reason, the movie tries to make Earth out to be the bad guys, even though we were being attacked by a foreign invader. So I've not...
Starting point is 01:27:51 False flag. It was a false... It was an inside job. Well, the bugs in the movie, they actually watch them launch the giant rock. It's funny. But they try to make it seem like Earth was fascist or something. But I have not read the book. I've seen the movie several times.
Starting point is 01:28:04 You'll have to watch Carl Benjamin's breakdown of it. Okay. Yeah, he talks about it. I remember seeing it as a kid and being absolutely traumatized by it. What part? What's the big brain thing that would suck people's brains out? Which one? The brain bug?
Starting point is 01:28:20 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Starship. I like the idea that the humans are the bad guys. I thought that was a good twist on the movie. I was like, oh, I thought we were fighting evil the whole time. But they attacked us.
Starting point is 01:28:30 Yeah. They were just doing what they do. It's like, is it the scorpion or the frog? Who's the villain in that situation? The scorpion. Apparently. But he's just doing what scorpions do. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:39 He's just a whole bad guy. I don't know. That's bad. It's subjective. There are bad people who do bad things. They're bad when they don't know. That's bad. You know, it's subjective. There are bad people who do bad things. They're bad when they do bad things. There are. That's it.
Starting point is 01:28:49 The humans were playing rock music too loud and it was interfering with the bugs. Is that what it was? You know, high frequency communication. Yeah. And that's why they threw a rock at us? Who was the villain? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:58 Shut that noise off. Yeah. All right, I guess. I don't know, man. You know what? Every so often, you'll get this period in pop culture where it's like normal things are happening. And you're like, maybe we're going to get out of this one. And then something crazy happens.
Starting point is 01:29:13 When does that happen? It happens periodically. For real. It's not right now, at least. Well, no, obviously not. Not that I can tell. Yeah. I think so.
Starting point is 01:29:20 When you look at how BlackRock's been exposed on the internet, people are talking about the liberal economic order now. It's been around for 80 years and they're finally talking about it. That's the opposite of what we're saying. That's good. The exposure is what we need. That's not what we're talking about. Democracy dies in silence. We need a conversation.
Starting point is 01:29:34 Every subject feels like things are normal again. Well, that's an illusion. When was the last time that happened? Like a Marvel movie came out and people started talking about that or something? I mean- Well, that's happening all the time. But the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial for a little bit because it was apolitical. It was like people were like, celebrities, celebrities.
Starting point is 01:29:51 I'm like, wow, celebrities. It's almost like things are normal again. And then all of a sudden Washington Post was like far right radicals. Yeah, even that got twisted around. I'm feeling what you're saying here. It feels like – some days it feels like completely normal. Like this is life as I know it. And then some days I'm like, what in the hell are we going to do?
Starting point is 01:30:13 I don't feel safe. I feel like confused, nervous wreck. And then some days it's like, yo, I mean, it's just like the love is coming out of my system. The 3rd of July felt pretty normal. Yeah, the weekend, for instance. Not the 4th of July because of Highland Park and Philadelphia. But on the 3rd,
Starting point is 01:30:31 it's like relatively calm. I mean, people are saying stuff, but most people, this is the thing too, on holidays, you'll really feel it when people get off the internet. A couple of years ago, I remember uploading a video
Starting point is 01:30:43 and the viewership was just like 40% of what it normally was. And I was like, whoa, this must be a bad topic. I'm like, nobody's watching my video. I wonder if I did something wrong or whatever. But I know the trick. Like sometimes things happen, right? We went out to eat. Every restaurant was packed with a 20-minute wait.
Starting point is 01:31:03 Parents with their kids and i went uh something's happening the reason why views were down as i can't remember exactly what it was but some like college got out and everybody i think i think what it was this is really fascinating it had rained all week and then it was like it was like friday till thursday of rain and then thursday was sunny and like 69 degrees everyone immediately was like i need to go outside and so nobody's watching yeah this is the fascinating thing many people on youtube don't get they look at their youtube views and panic when the views are bad because they're like oh no my channel's dying and you're like did it rain when it rains
Starting point is 01:31:38 your views go up when it snows your views go up when it's sunny your views go down people don't know that you ever try and get a view goal on this video? I'm going to get less than 30,000 views on this next video. Rather than try and get more, which is what everyone's been trying to do, try and do your best and see
Starting point is 01:31:57 if you can get less because that's more normal. I just say don't think about it. When we first started doing this show, we were only getting like a few thousand concurrent viewers. We didn't care. We were doing it because like I don't know what else is there to do. I'm bored. You know, just talk about something.
Starting point is 01:32:13 So we started talking about stuff and then we started bringing people out and now here we are. Just do things that are fun and keep doing them and get good at it and then figure it out as you go. Some people can't seem to figure it out. That's unfortunate. That's reality. Some people can figure it out. Some people can't. You know. Figure what out as you go. Some people can't seem to figure it out. That's unfortunate. That's reality. Some people can figure it out. Some people can't. Figure what out exactly?
Starting point is 01:32:28 Like how to make a machine grow bigger and how to turn something into more. Yeah, right. Sustainability. Sustainability. People have a state of mind that they need to make things huge. I succeed if it gets big, if I get the most, but size is not what makes things great. It's the ability for the thing to sustain and adapt. So true.
Starting point is 01:32:45 You just got to have fun. You got to be passionate. You got to talk about what you care about and just get started. When I first started my channel, it was a GoPro 4 sitting on top of my monitor. And I would talk for 10 minutes and then be like, that was it. And then I would put it up and that's all I would do. And then eventually I was like, I got a bunch of other stories I didn't talk about. I'll just make a couple more videos.
Starting point is 01:33:00 And then just started making more and more and more and more. Do you ever make videos directly to someone? Nope. That's interesting. No, but like a feature on YouTube that you could do video replies. It was the best. I took that off.
Starting point is 01:33:11 I don't know why. Because they thought it was getting underutilized. I, that was how I made my career on YouTube in the early days. The dislike button is getting underutilized. Didn't Phil DeFranco do that? Yeah, we all did.
Starting point is 01:33:20 Yeah. Phil responded. I think he responded to one of my videos way back in the day, but that's how he, his first video was a video response to somebody. Are those videos – do they still exist on YouTube? I just watched his first video response, yeah. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:33:32 And it was why Google bought YouTube is because YouTube was popular because of the video response, the community. Basically, they called it the community. I mean, it was people talking to each other, and it was the most epic, epic violation of the third law of thermodynamics. I don't know what it was, but it was like, how are we able to communicate from all around the world
Starting point is 01:33:48 now in real time, and it's always there for everyone to watch, and then Google's like, it's too good. We've got to buy it. We're going to go to Super Chats.
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Starting point is 01:34:12 Become a member. Let's read. We got Juggernaut. I'm not reading your first name because I don't want to have people emailing me about their kids asking questions. It says, I'm listening to Rogan with Duncan Trussell before the beginning of this. As an atheist, they believe only conservatives wanted Roe v. Wade to be overturned, aside from the fact it's amoral to terminate life, period.
Starting point is 01:34:33 So there was a viral clip going around with Joe and Duncan, and they're smoking. And I don't know a whole lot about Duncan Trussell, but in this clip I was like, this is why Joe Rogan's the man. Because Joe says Ben Shapiro's a nice guy. He's a good guy. You've got to talk to him. And Duncan says, I don't care. lot about duncan trussell but in this clip i was like i this is why joe rogan's the man because joe says ben shapiro's a nice guy he's a good guy you got to talk to him and duncan says i don't care huh and i was just like whoa that's scary that you could be wrong that you could be condemning an innocent person and you don't care is scary that was weird too because it was out of character for duncan i'm used to duncan being very loving and open and he was like, something about that guy, man.
Starting point is 01:35:08 I just – I don't like him, man. Something wrong. He was saying that people are going to exploit Joe and try and pull him right and stuff like that. And it's like people are in a cult, man. And Joe Rogan asks questions and that's who he's always been and he's still very lefty. And then to hear Duncan be like I don't care about the truth about a person they're bad people period that's a scary over zealous cult-like mentality he did in that in that interview if you watch the entire show which I did
Starting point is 01:35:37 is Duncan eventually was like all right all right all right I take it back well that's good that's good yeah and that's something that you wouldn't see if they were together in the same room in one space, right? If he and Ben Shapiro were in the same room, I mean, would he actually say that to him? Would he actually have that impression? Or maybe he would walk in with that impression
Starting point is 01:35:57 and then at the end of an hour, two hours, three hours of sitting and talking and hanging out, then maybe he would have a different perception by the end of it. People believe crazy stuff. Like, I'll tell you this. Ben Shapiro, not short.
Starting point is 01:36:11 Really? Yep. Medium-sized. Average. Average dude. Average-sized dude. Okay. But they attack him by saying he's short.
Starting point is 01:36:20 And then even people who like him end up thinking he's short. I did. And then I met him, and I was like, he's like a half inch shorter than me. Well, or maybe like an inch shorter or something. It is tough to gauge height on YouTube. So I told you guys this when scheduling today, but I recently got married and I had a bunch of friends from LawTube come to my wedding also. And it was like the first time that most of
Starting point is 01:36:45 us had met in person. And so that was like one of the funny things was like figuring out like who's taller than who. And a lot of them, or at least a handful of them, the first time that they actually saw me in person was literally me walking down the aisle with my dad. And they told me, they were like, you're taller than I thought you were going to be. I'm like, well, I'm also wearing heels, but yeah, I am kind of a tall person. Yeah. I wonder what that is, why people assume height. I don't think they assume it.
Starting point is 01:37:11 In the case of Ben Shapiro, they're trying to attack his masculinity on purpose. Their idea is that conservatives value masculinity. Therefore, if you emasculate someone, people won't want to listen to him. Bill Ottman, the CEO, founder of Minds, when I first saw him on an internet video, it was on a YouTube video response that he made to me, I thought he was like 5'7". But he's like 6'2", or something crazy.
Starting point is 01:37:34 Why did I assume that? Nick Riccata, also, I thought he was shorter than he really is. I mean, I haven't actually seen him in person, but he's also like 6'2", or 6'3", or I don't know. Hulking. Yeah, he's tall. He's very tall. But I think part of it sometimes is the camera angle that you have. And sometimes that can be a factor. When the camera's above, you look small. Because people are imagining they're looking at you and you must be small.
Starting point is 01:37:57 Yeah. All right, let's read some more. We got Derek Saferth says, I simply cannot figure out how to watch the after show at 11. I am a member and behind the paywall. And I'm 23, so I'm not a technological boomer. So if you sign up for the website and you're logged in, on the homepage every night around 10.50, we put up – it'll be right there. It'll say members only on it. You click it, and that's it.
Starting point is 01:38:20 It plays. If it's not working, then there's an error. Send us an email to members at timcast.com, but it's really that. Or if you click Members Only, we're actually going to be adding a whole bunch of shows. The issue is we're at this point where we have the money to start expanding, but it's still hard. And we need a web editor to handle all the uploads of graphics and images and maintaining all this stuff. But it gets more and more difficult. So we need to add more and more members.
Starting point is 01:38:48 So what's going to happen is we're going to create low budget shows to attract more members and hope we cross that threshold of spending less money than, you know, getting a little profit off the memberships. Then we can hire people to start cleaning things up and expanding. You'll notice that the Daily Wire's first movies were either they bought them or they were low budget, like Terror on the Pra prairie single location in the middle of nowhere relatively low low cost to shoot that kind of stuff do a good story it works so that's where we're going um yeah let's read some more all right tyler brown says no lydia we riot that doesn't rhyme all right don
Starting point is 01:39:23 diego says i'm sure of it now more than ever. The planet has drifted through a cosmic cloud of stupidity. That could be. Is that what this is? Well, we often talk about the Large Hadron Collider. They fired that thing up today, didn't they? Was it today? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:35 I think so. Yeah? Maybe. Let's find out. You hear about this? What does it mean? All right. So they got this big ring, right?
Starting point is 01:39:41 It's a magnet. Mm-hmm. And they put particles in it. Yeah. Spin around as fast as possible and then slam it into something else. They're trying to simulate energy levels that appeared right after the Big Bang. So a lot of people were scared that they'll make black holes. And they're like, don't worry.
Starting point is 01:39:56 The black holes will dissipate. They're too small. They can't sustain themselves. And they did this right before Donald Trump got elected the first time. So the joke is that they created some kind of dimensional rift or something like that. And confirmed six hours ago from Live Science MSN, large hadron collider switches on at highest ever power level to look for dark matter. Did anything crazy happen?
Starting point is 01:40:16 I don't know yet. What are you expecting to happen, though? Well, I think they're looking for excitons and other kind – or excitons, I think is how it's pronounced, and other kind of polaritons, which are these subatomic particles that seem to pop in and out of reality. Maybe when you bombard plasma with light. I'm not exactly sure. The polariton science is going to be a big part of the future. What's going to happen is we're all going to wake up and Hillary Clinton's going to be president.
Starting point is 01:40:41 We're going to be like, what happened? The timeline. It's 2016 again. Yeah. Gabe H says, I love the conspiracy theory episode you guys did friday you should look into wendigoon on youtube he broke down a rather large conspiracy theory iceberg in total it's about nine and a half hours keep up the good work wow one of the things we're going to be doing is we are preparing a weekly talk show on conspiracy and paranormal. I know we talked about doing this a long time ago, but we ended up with Tales from the Inverted World, which is more serial.
Starting point is 01:41:11 We're going to be doing a weekly show, and it's going to be exploring deep into conspiracy theories and unsolved mysteries and stuff. So that hopefully will start relatively soon, because that's the plan. You just start it up. You slowly build it up. But we're currently renovating our haunted house so that we can actually do work in it because there's like asbestos or something. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:41:30 We'll have to figure that out. But hopefully soon, within the next few weeks, we're going to have a new studio facility that's creepy for our creepy paranormal conspiracy show. That'll be a whole lot of fun. Oh, some further info is they're running the Large Hadron Collider for four years and then they're going to stop it and upgrade it
Starting point is 01:41:47 and then in 2029 they're going to start it up again and expect it to have 10 times more data. Cool. Sideways says, Mary has that
Starting point is 01:41:55 half-asleep look and I can't get enough of it like she could be in lo-fi beats to study Relax 2 stream. Super cute, lol. Thank you. I don't know if saying someone looks like they're half asleep is a good thing or...
Starting point is 01:42:07 I mean, for them it is, so... It sounds like a compliment. Thank you. Cliff the Alien says Taylor Lorenz is originally from my planet, hence the insect eyes. We didn't like her here. Glad to see Earth doesn't either. Well, all right. That's one way to explain it.
Starting point is 01:42:23 I wonder if she ever goes by Tay Lorenorenz tay lorenz i'm bringing it back tay tay lolo joe spinella says prince changing his name was a way to maneuver out of his contract with warner brothers so we had more control over what music he released when uh and when ultimately is there another message i don't have okay i guess that's it we'll have to try and find the uh it ends there so it was a way to that's what i thought it was like a legal thing that's what i heard that that sounds vaguely familiar yeah like how do you enforce a contract you can't say the word beavis mclean says tim you inspired me to start building culture after i get of the military,
Starting point is 01:43:05 I'll not seek easy money from contracting work. I'll be making content to inspire this in future generations. Any advice for a newbie? P.S. Love you and the whole team. If you're in the military, something military related, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:43:17 Start making videos. Start small, start easy, and just slowly start building up as it comes. It's not always easy. Sometimes you got to get a job. You got to invest the money you're making until you can build it up to that comes. It's not always easy. Sometimes you've got to get a job. You've got to invest the money you're making until you can build it up to that point. That's how you do it.
Starting point is 01:43:29 Inspire those future generations, man. Brian L. says, Name an American colony, Ian. We have none. Wake Island. What's that? It's an island in the Pacific that the U.S. conquered in like 1920 or late 1800s.
Starting point is 01:43:44 The Philippines was an American colony. We do have territories. Yeah, Puerto Pacific that the U.S. conquered in like 1920 or late 1800s. Yeah. The Philippines was an American colony. We do have territories. Yeah. Puerto Rico. Guam. Yeah. Yeah, Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico and Guam.
Starting point is 01:43:53 Apparently, there's like no taxes or something there. Is that how it works? I think it's supposed to be a tax haven. Yeah. Yeah. But they also have no voting rights. Right. Taxation without representation.
Starting point is 01:44:02 Yeah. So it's like you could set a business there. So I'm kind of like, wow should run timcast there text free usa yeah and then getting people out there stuff mortem isn't edgy says hey tim and crew i'm in high school and i found your show in march of 2020 my freshman year i've been a loyal spotify listener ever since thanks so much for giving me a dissenting voice from my peers, vapid leftist trash. My first super chat. Hey, really appreciate it, man.
Starting point is 01:44:28 Glad to hear it. All right. What is this? Tyler Adams says, I think when you referenced Smilebots from Dr. Oh, Smilebots. That's right. From Dr. Who earlier today.
Starting point is 01:44:41 Did you like that series? If so, does it hold up to Star Trek in theme? I feel like the episode Heaven Sent is best Dr. Who who episode i haven't seen a whole lot of doctor who but there was an episode where they go to this planet where there's like a colony but there's no humans and they find robots with big smiley faces on them and they wear badges with like smiley faces or something like that and then the general idea is unhappiness is a virus is the theme sort of so the robots were tasked with keeping everyone happy.
Starting point is 01:45:07 But one day someone died of old age. Everyone around the old woman got sad. The machines couldn't figure out how to make them happy because you can. People get sad. When the people who were sad came into contact with happy people and explained someone died, the happy people became sad. So the robots were like, we can't stop the unhappiness
Starting point is 01:45:26 and it spreads so they killed anyone who was unhappy. Oh, geez. Well, that resulted in everyone else getting very unhappy so they ended up
Starting point is 01:45:33 killing everybody. Oh, geez. So like Doctor Who and the other person have to walk around faking a smile like, everything's good. Oh, geez.
Starting point is 01:45:39 Yeah, it's creepy. But that's what people don't understand about AI. It doesn't go the way you think it's going to go. Rodolfo Ramirez says, we are in the corporate version of the movie Nightcrawler. Have you guys seen Nightcrawler?
Starting point is 01:45:53 I haven't. No. Yeah. That movie is so good. Jake Gyllenhaal. Yes. Not the superhero Nightcrawler, but he's a late night journalist
Starting point is 01:46:02 that like chases tragedy basically in the middle of the night. Night crawlers are reporters who go out at night and chase after crime scenes and accidents and then sell the footage to news outlets. Yo, this movie's so good. Is it really? It's really good. You've got to watch it.
Starting point is 01:46:18 It's an interesting look into the psychology of people that seek trauma. It's an indictment of journalists. If you don't like journalists watch the movie nightcrawler you're gonna be like yep it's brutal he's an evil dude really yes and the and the and the other people the news outlets also very evil it's it's amazing i don't want to spoil it but he's an evil dude and the people in news outlets are like, good. They're like, we don't care. The ratings, the ratings. It's just, it's brutal.
Starting point is 01:46:49 Yeah, man, very, very brutal. All right, let's read. What do we got here? Uh-oh. Storm Viking says, Ian, you disgust me sometimes with communist woke talking points. America was not founded as a slave state.
Starting point is 01:47:01 Learn history. And if you hate America so much, move out. Canada sounds right up your alley. Oh, that was brutal. It was also kind of vague. I thought the U.S. did have slaves when it was founded. And right before it, Arathas of Stett says,
Starting point is 01:47:14 Ian's rolling 20s cast IRL. That is the wonderful dichotomy of reality. I'll see you in the chats. It'll be like, 20, Ian. One, Ian. Sean St. George says, I'm a little surprised Daily Wire dead naming you on Twitter isn't the lead JK
Starting point is 01:47:27 so I tweeted the reason people call me Pim Tool all the time is because it's my dead name therefore if you call me Pim Tool I will report you it's a gag and the Daily Wire account called me Pim Tool I thought it was funny but that's the game we can play right
Starting point is 01:47:42 you can't call me any names anymore think about how insane this is if you call someone I thought it was funny. But that's the game we can play, right? You can't call me any names anymore? Is that how it works? Think about how insane this is. If you call someone... What's... Communist, for instance. What if someone in the comment called me communist? Should I go after that guy?
Starting point is 01:47:55 That's insane. On Twitter, if you call someone a butthead, it's a direct insult. Let's say you call them like a mother effer or something. Totally allowed. But if you use the incorrect name, you're banned. That's so weird. Yeah, it's arbitrary.
Starting point is 01:48:11 Did you know this too? Twitter allows you to remove videos with you in them, whether you own the copyright or not. So if, like Ian, if you're walking down the street and someone films you and then uploads it, you can get it removed. I think Twitter admins are too involved in the process at this point. Software should just be there and they should be making sure that people aren't destroying the world. I'm not so sure about that either, though, because TikTok seems to be run by
Starting point is 01:48:34 robots and they ban everyone. Yeah, IRL got banned from TikTok. I just don't think that that was one person's decision. It's the algorithm because you got mass reported. You don't think it lied at the feet of the chairman? Chairman, what's his name?
Starting point is 01:48:52 Xi Jinping at the top of the Communist Chinese Party. Hey, I have a WeChat account. We can't talk about that. We can talk about whatever we want. Raymond G says, I love that the UFO is always spinning. Tim gave it a nice spin before the show tonight. Just keep going. All right.
Starting point is 01:49:07 Brandon Tom says, imagine if Biden went on the Joe Rogan experience. Hey, Jamie, can you check Batacalf care? Here's the thing. Joe Rogan was like, I don't want Trump coming on the show because it would help him. Okay, Joe, would you have Biden on the show? It'll hurt him. Hands down. Fact.
Starting point is 01:49:21 Joe Biden for two hours in that chair with Joe, Biden would be destroyed. I mean, he did offer to moderate a debate between the two of them for 2020. But can I just go back to that point I made during that segment? If Joe Rogan thinks Trump coming on a show would benefit him, and he thinks Joe Biden is a dead man, as he said it, he's basically saying how he views both individuals. Trump is capable either of lying or convincing you, and Biden is out of it. So he shouldn't have either of them. Having Biden on his show would help Trump tremendously.
Starting point is 01:49:59 All right. Adam Townsend said, for proper context, you can see Rogan's quote on Lex Friedman's recent interview. I recommend you actually watch the whole show because, you know, you get the full context. Oh, did you watch it earlier? I watched a big chunk of it. Yeah, me too. I don't watch the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:50:18 I watch the relevant political part. Because on YouTube, you can actually jump to this. It's funny because it was like just two dudes talking. I was like, oh, I can't wait to go listen to two guys talk. Like what is society? We really are social creatures that that was that invigorating to hear two random guys have a conversation. All right. The KL Tanker says California is passing a bill that would require a homeowner, renter, or gun insurance policy in your name to own a gun, essentially making you
Starting point is 01:50:46 pay for your rights. And Maryland just announced that they're getting rid of the qualification for a handgun license. So this is really funny. Supreme Court said you can't require a reason for getting a permit. New York lost. New York immediately came out and nullified Supreme Court's rulings. We're going to do whatever we want anyway. Maryland came out and they're like, okay, from this point forward, remove the qualifying reason for all handgun permits. And I was like, okay. All right, let me look up what you need to get a Maryland handgun permit.
Starting point is 01:51:15 Yo, it's still impossible. You need to do, I think, 16 hours of handgun training, which is probably going to be, what, four days? Unless you do an eight-hour course followed by Saturday and Sunday. Some people, maybe you'll do that. You have to pass a proficiency test. I get it.
Starting point is 01:51:33 But saying someone lacks skills means they don't get their rights is kind of a crazy idea. I understand why you're like, you have to know how to use Open4, you get a permit for it. But the Constitution says shall not be infringed. There's no qualifications.
Starting point is 01:51:47 You can't do that. I'm surprised Maryland hasn't been sued over that. You have to get 25 – for a non-law enforcement or security, you have to hit 25 rounds. You have to get 70% accuracy with 25 rounds from 15 yards. Not like the hardest thing in the world requires some some practice and some training but i just thought it was kind of crazy that they could put a a skill requirement on it what if you're what if um you know your hands busted up like what if your hands broken and you're like someone's trying to kill me but i broke my hands i could use it if i had
Starting point is 01:52:21 to but i'm not going to be able to be that accurate. Like, well, you don't get your rights because you're not good enough to use it. It's kind of a crazy idea, right? Someone's legally blind, then they just are not allowed to have a gun. I mean, obviously, you would think it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing for a blind person. I think they are. They are. Like, imagine this. I'm going to say it right now.
Starting point is 01:52:44 Blind people should be allowed to walk in and buy a gun and bullets and walk out period. And I would love for all of the liberals to come out and tell me that someone due to their disability should be denied a human right. Say it. Cause I'll take that clip by all means do it just because you're blind. Doesn't mean you don't get the right to have to bear or to have a weapon. You know why? Because maybe you have someone who's there to caretaker. Maybe you have someone who looks after you and you want to get a weapon for yourself. They're not going to carry it around. But other people can pick up a weapon in defense of others.
Starting point is 01:53:17 Tell me that people don't deserve their rights if they're disabled. I'll call you nuts. Blackwing says you are partially right about the media thinking they know everything. They do get experts. Experts that will tow the media line for a price that's absolutely correct they'll bring people in and say we'll give you the money just say what we want you to say z meister says as a member please refer to the covington kid as cove cath kid i cringe every time you say that as a graduate from covington catholic Okay, you want me to be a little bit more specific? We'll call it Covecath.
Starting point is 01:53:47 The problem is I don't think anyone knows what that means. So you went there, you know that. Most people don't know what Covecath would be and have to explain it further. I could say Covington Catholic, that's for sure. Eric Boyd says, as a Daily Wire subscriber, hearing you congratulate them, I had to subscribe to TimCast too. I did, and here's some Super Chat money too. Let's catch Daily Wire and beat them
Starting point is 01:54:07 in creating culture. That's what I'm saying. Thank you very much, Eric. No, I'm a huge fan of what they're doing. I am jealous of what they're doing. We've got something in the works. We're planning something special as a homage to the Daily Wire and we're not going to say what it is until
Starting point is 01:54:23 it's ready to come out and it's going to be really fun and really funny. But they're absolutely killing it, doing the Lord's work. They're making movies that are just movies. They're standing up for freedom. They're standing up for this country. So their victory is our victory. You know why I do all of this?
Starting point is 01:54:39 Why I do this show? It's because I'm tired of the lies. I want to call out the media, the liars, the manipulators. When The Daily Wire does that in spades, it's just good news across the board. So let's see more victory. You know what I'd love to see? You get Steven Crowder, you get Tim Kast, you get Daily Wire, who are some other? You get Carl Benjamin, Count Dankula. You get all these people, massive success, hundreds of millions of viewers, CNN,
Starting point is 01:55:06 just, I mean, it's already happened. CNN's failing daily wires taken off these are good days man this is these are these are good days all right yellow fluffy feather says luke come back we promised him we'll let you speak your mind and not be mean to you uh yeah luke what are you doing did you bully luke off the show yeah did you see yeah yeah that's right it was seam They were nose to nose. Well, Seamus and Luke were always fighting, and then Luke was like, I'm not here if Seamus is here, and he left. And then Seamus was like, I'm not here if Luke's here, and he left. Now they're both gone.
Starting point is 01:55:33 Neither of them are here. That's what happens when you stick to what you say you're going to do. That's actually not what happens. Refusal to adapt. I was just kidding. Luke is, what is he doing? Some hippie stuff up in New Hampshire, I think. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:55:44 His return is imminent. That's for sure. Yeah, he'll be back soon, but crazy stuff going on. So I'm going to shout out Mercedes-Benz because we had a vehicle for picking up guests. So when we have people fly in, we have someone go and pick them up and bring them here. It's actually cheaper than getting a car service, for sure. And here's the story as I was told. We had an oil issue, brought it to Mercedes-Benz in Hagerstown, Maryland.
Starting point is 01:56:13 And there's a reason, this story is a point relevant to what we're talking about. Just bear with me. And they said they fixed it. We were then driving one day and the engine seized and the engine just became trash. $20,000 to fix. So we brought it to a different Mercedes-Benz, this time in Chantilly, Virginia. And then when we got it back, the suspension was broken right away. Like we get it back, we're like, hey, what's wrong with it? And
Starting point is 01:56:34 they went, oops, we'll fix it. Then they call us apparently or message us saying, oh, also the engine mounts are broken. And it's like, what is going on with these dealerships? Not only they won't answer their phones, totally broken. So what we think is happening is nobody's working and their supply chain disruption. So they just can't fix. And so I feel like they're lying to us just to get us out the door because they can't fix the problems. I have no idea. But this is one of the big issues with Luke is that everyone is feeling this car repairs
Starting point is 01:57:02 are getting more and more difficult. That's for sure. And if that's the case, it's meaning it means everything's going to take a lot longer. We've been trying to build the new HQ in West Virginia. And it's been delayed by like three months just because of all the supply disruptions. But Mercedes-Benz, you are trash. And I am extremely livid. I tweeted about it because after like, what has it been, six months?
Starting point is 01:57:25 Three to six months of trying to get this vehicle fixed, we had to buy a new vehicle. And it's funny because people on Twitter are like, Tim, you're rich. Who cares? I'm like, yo, this is the business's vehicle. Employees can't use our personal vehicles. The business needs a car to pick up guests to do the show. And Mercedes, in my opinion, I believe they broke the engine. I believe they screwed up.
Starting point is 01:57:42 They broke it. And now the only way I can get it resolved is by coming on the show and saying Mercedes-Benz is trash. Don't buy their cars. That's it. That's all I can do. It's going to cost us like $50,000. And it's like, what can you do about it? Wow.
Starting point is 01:57:54 That's like a new car. $20,000 because the engine broke. And the time, too. The time is expensive for a business to lose its transport. When the engine's seized and everything else is good, it's spend the 20 now and the car works i wonder if we live in an age of entitlement when i'm like you should do my thing for me where's my where's my easy things like i'm so used to things being relatively fluid and easy that now it's like harvest your own grain bro like come on well we did that yeah we did we had some weed i'll weed weed. I'd do it again, too. All right. David C. says,
Starting point is 01:58:25 Please reach out to Matt Christensen and Blonde. We need this mashup. Love you guys. Absolutely. Would love to have both of them on the show. That'd be great. We will bring them out. Bachi Quinn says,
Starting point is 01:58:38 Anyone else think Gavin Newsom looks and acts like Christian Bale in American Psycho? Yes. Agreed. He's not that cool. Yeah. I bet's not that cool. Yeah. I bet he loves that movie. He's like, I'm gonna be just like Patrick Bateman.
Starting point is 01:58:54 Brandon DeArma says, hey, first time super chatting. Also not even a question. Related tonight, I'm putting this in at work because I've been wondering what y'all think of the game Death Stranding. The director's cut game came out a while back. Oddly relevant currently. I never played it. Did you play it? No, I never did.
Starting point is 01:59:10 It didn't really appeal to me. It's not my kind of game. It's a game where you run. The whole game is like running. I heard the game is carry all the groceries into the house in one trip simulator. That's what people told me it was. Don't pass out simulator from all the way.
Starting point is 01:59:26 It's the guy from Walking Dead. What's his name? And you just carry stuff. Daryl from Walking Dead. Yeah, and you're carrying like a child in a case. It's like the last baby or something. You got to get it to the city. No, it's something like the babies keep away the demons or something like that. Okay.
Starting point is 01:59:40 I'm sure people are chatting like you guys have no idea. Don't lean too much to the right. Don't lean too much to the left. Don't lean too much to the left. It's not my kind of game. Gaff says, Tim, your brother's channel Reactor is legendary. I know. Oh, yes. Can we talk about that?
Starting point is 01:59:52 The legend of Reactor? The legend. Do you just want to talk about it? No, you're not allowed. It's dead naming. All right. Kate J says, Tim, this just broke today. A judge in Uruguay, or it's Uruguay for those Americans, orders government and Pfizer present all information on COVID-19 jabs within 48 hours, including the presence, the possible presence of graphene oxide and nanotech.
Starting point is 02:00:15 Just because they're requesting it doesn't mean it's there. So we'll see if anything comes out of that. But, you know, I'd be shocked if any stuff come out of that. Like, if any of that came out to be true, to be honest. All right. Steven Simard says, it's 100% the supply chain right now. I'm a mechanic, and I have had eight-plus-month wait times for parts. It's unreal.
Starting point is 02:00:34 Wow. That's insane. Kayleen Shaw, Indie Game, says Death Stranding is 1,000% Ian's kind of game. It seems so boring. Like, there was no action. You've got to give it a try. Is there at least a storyline to it? Yeah. That's the game. It is a boring. There was no action. You've got to give it a try. Is there at least a storyline to it? Yeah, that's all story.
Starting point is 02:00:46 The game is a story. It's basically like a movie, but you have a little bit of control over which direction the guy leans. Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel,
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Starting point is 02:01:37 Well, you can go to my channel LegalBytes on YouTube. I'm also on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Locals and Patreon. Right on. Yeah. Cool. I'm also on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Locals, and Patreon. Right on.
Starting point is 02:01:49 Cool. And I also have a gift that I wanted to give to you. Oh, a gift. But if you want, I can give it to you in the members-only stream. Let's do that. Okay. Find out what the mystery gift is at TimCast.com. Mystery box. Mystery box. It's going to be a rock.
Starting point is 02:02:05 Everyone's going to sign up to see what it is. They're going to be like, it's a rock. It's better than a rock. It's a little bit more tailored. Is it a gun? No, I don't think TSA would allow me to play with that. You can find me on Instagram
Starting point is 02:02:22 or WeChat at Closer Kitty, or you can join us. We're live at 3 p.m. Eastern time and noon Pacific time at Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube. Come join us tomorrow. You can also follow me at iancrossland.net if you want to know what kind of games I do like. It's like turn-based strategy games like Slay the Spire, Civilization,
Starting point is 02:02:43 that kind of stuff. Crusader Kings, that one's awesome, the second one. And the hot action games like MOBAs, like some of them, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:02:50 The list goes on. I've got like 1,500 games on, I don't know, I have so many games. Whenever I play Civilization, I start building up my Civilization and I just mind my own business. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:00 Flourishing and developing technology and then some a-hole is like, I'm going to invade and then I'm like, now I have to destroy your civilization. The entire level it to the ground. It's exhilarating. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:09 Just wipe them out. I don't even take the citizens. You attacked me. Yeah. And then I launch a spaceship. All right. Bye, everyone. We also have Chris pressing buttons.
Starting point is 02:03:16 I don't know if you wanted to shout anything out. Hi. Yeah. Not really. All right. Come on. You're the reactor. Chris's channel.
Starting point is 02:03:22 That was my reaction. YouTube reactor. All right, everybody. We will see you all over at TimCast.com. Thanks for hanging out.

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