Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #578 - Bannon Found GUILTY Of Contempt Of Congress w/Konstantin Kisin

Episode Date: July 23, 2022

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire of Timcast.com, and Lydia host comedian and commentator Konstantin Kisin to discuss Steve Bannon's recent conviction, Lee Zeldin's sharp words for his attacker's immediate bail, Trump's plans to actually drain the swamp, and Konstantin's book, based on his family experience with the USSR. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Very quickly, Steve Bannon was found guilty of contempt of Congress. And well, I guess that's the news. It was kind of to be expected. Steve Bannon was arguing executive privilege. But when he was in was on trial, his defense team actually didn't bring up any witnesses. So many people are thinking this is some kind of bigger play here, that this may be a strategy to go to a higher court. We'll see.

We'll talk about that, of course. But this whole political circumstance around the Biden administration and Democrats targeting former administration officials with arrests and investigation. Well, it brings us to a dangerous territory with this other story last night. Lee Zeldin, he's a Republican congressman. He's running for governor. Someone tried to kill him. Now I'm seeing all these news outlets saying allegedly tried to stab. But there's a photo of the guy holding a blade in his hand. He's running for governor. Someone tried to kill him. Now I'm seeing all these news outlets saying allegedly tried to stab, but there's a photo of the guy holding a blade in his hand. It's got like two prong blade and Zelda is grabbing his arm to hold him back. I'm like, you can see the guy on camera, like try to go at his neck. So I'm like attempted or alleged or attempted. Yes. But like alleged, I was like, you watch, you watch the guy do it.

Crazy, crazy stories, man. I did some cursory digging into this guy's background. And I think he might be, I could be wrong about this, but just like a default liberal kind of guy, like a regular guy doesn't pay attention to politics all that much, but votes Democrat, radicalized by the January 6th committee and Democrat rhetoric around extremist MAGA stuff. Because we know that Democrats have been funding GOP candidates while simultaneously claiming it's an existential threat. So we'll get into that. We'll talk about that. We also got probably the best story ever. It has been leaked or apparently it's being reported that Donald Trump, should he win in 2024, he will purge up to 50,000 government employees. And it's funny because the media and the Democrats are like, oh, no, he's going to dismantle our government. And I'm like, yeah, all right. So we'll get into all that.

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I guess congratulations. You're number one. You didn't need us to shout you out, but we really, really wanted to. Joining us today to talk about all those stories, as well as a bunch of other stories, is Konstantin Kissen. Hey. Who are you? What do you do, man? I'm a former stand-up comedian

turned YouTuber and just written a book called An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West which is Sunday Times bestseller as of today which I'm pleased about. Wow, congratulations.

But I co-host a YouTube show called Trigonometry and it's two things. We interview people so it's serious interviews and also we do something called a Raw Show which is me and my co-host Francis both comics just

joking around the events of the day. We do every ridiculous accent under the sun just to make fun of everything and don't take anything too seriously. Right on. We also have another story. Twitter banned the word groomer. They were like it's a slur against LGBTQ people so you can't use it. It's like

okay it's getting a little weird. But we'll talk about that, too, for sure. We also have Hannah Clare. She's back. Hi. Yeah, I'm Hannah Clare Brimel. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. Actually, the person who wrote the story we're going to be using is Steve Bannon.

Nothing like having your boss read your articles on air. There's a typo here. Oh, no. You know, I'm always like, get a copy editor. There was a show when I first started where there was a typo in one of my sub headlines. And the next week, Chris Carr joined us. Ah, there you go. I'll just look up and glare if we see something.

If I get fired live on air. That would be exciting. Oh, hi, everyone. What are you doing? I'm building a straw out of this honey. There's these little packets of honey that are shaped like a straw. So I was just clipping off an end and stirring my coconut water into this delicious coffee, cold brew. I'm Ian Crossland, by the way.

Constantine, I'm looking forward to talking about your book. What is it about? Really quick before we get going. Very, very quickly. I am worried that in the West we're moving in the direction of the society that I grew up in, which was the late Soviet Union in terms of many of the things that I'm seeing. And I wanted to give people in the West a warning not to go down that road because it's not a very good one. Thanks for writing that.

We'll talk more about it soon. I feel like I'm interrupting everyone this evening. I interrupted Hannah Clare to bring her on the show, which is great. She kept trying to keep her from being nervous. And then Ian, I'm casting it over to him. He's trying to gnaw on this funny thing. I'm sorry, everyone. I had it coming.

I'm just here in the corner pushing buttons like I always do. Let's get going. I'm excited to have you. All right. The first story. On'm sorry, everyone. I had it coming. I'm just here in the corner pushing buttons like I always do. Let's get going. I'm excited to have you. All right. The first story. On a Friday, of course, it's actually kind of big news. Steve Bannon's been found guilty

of two charges in contempt of Congress trial. It's a minimum of two years for each count, but would they really give him that long? Some are saying it's going to be two months.

He's going to get the bare minimum. They're going to say two months to run concurrently for both counts, but we'll see the story. Steve Bannon said, we may have lost a battle here today, but we are not going to lose this war. Bannon is the former executive chairman of Breitbart News, as well as a former advisor to President Trump. The conviction comes after a four-day trial during which the Justice Department argued Bannon believes he's above the law and showed he chose to show his contempt for Congress, Congress's authority and its processes by refusing to comply with the January 6th committee's subpoenas. Well, instead of just reading this, let me just ask Hannah Clare, what's going on with the story?

Are there any other developments or, you know, what's your reporting on it? Yeah, well, the major thing is that he has been following this line that he was exercising executive privilege from President Trump, that Trump's lawyers had encouraged him not to testify before the committee and not to submit any documents. And they're saying this is within, you know, official protocol. It's acceptable. The January 6th committee says, no, this he knew he was supposed to comply with the subpoenas. He has to turn over the documents. He needed to testify. You have to remember that the January 6th committee has subpoenaed 100 people.

The only other person to be indicted is Peter Navarro. Thank you. And throughout the trial, it was a four-day trial. And we had basically the Justice Department saying, this is ridiculous. It's simple. He was supposed to be there. And we had Bannon's attorneys arguing that, no, there's precedent in the way. And also, he was in the middle of negotiating terms.

We've seen a couple other people. I think Mo Brooks said, yeah, I'll testify before January 6th, but I want it to be televised. I want it to be recorded. There are people who are uncomfortable with the way this investigation is being carried out. So a lot of the story or a lot of the feeling is that they're trying to make an example of Bannon. Right here, the first thing that comes to mind is, Constantine, is this becoming Soviet-esque? Yeah, I don't know too much about it.

I think it's scary in a different way to me as a complete outsider who maybe doesn't follow the legal details. But just seeing how divided this country is uh and i love america i think it's a brilliant place but seeing how angry and people both sides are trying to destroy each other right down burn everything down to the ground is very worrying because it's not just about america like we everywhere in the world in the uk where i live we import all of this stuff and then we start doing the same thing to each other so it's really really worrying the way things are going man i think um when you have the the previous administration and the rival political party arresting the when you have the current administration sorry

and rival democratic party arresting their rivals and the previous administration yeah we're there man so steve bannon is let me put it this way. The January 6th committee is a sham. It's, it's, it's fake. It's lies. They included me in their evidence. So, so I, right away, I'm already like everybody, I know most people listening know this, but, um, were you the shaman guy? No, no. They, they claimed that, uh, Trump supporters were encouraging people to go down and get violent. And they put me in their montage of people because I commented on a comment Trump made as I was reading a news article. I said, Donald Trump says this will happen and it's called for his supporters.

So they put me in this montage because their goal is just to lie and drive escalation. What we've been seeing the Democrats do is they've been putting money into Trump supported candidates like Trump endorsed candidates so that they win because they believe come November, they will then beat the Trump candidate. Right. They're coming out on January 6th and saying it's an existential threat to our country, but then funding the message and propping it up. So Steve Bannon gets a subpoena. And first and foremost, he didn't just say, screw you. He said the president has executive privilege, meaning, you know, we don't have to comply with Congress. There should have been there's got to be some negotiation, right?

Like if the if they're arguing that Trump's not the president, therefore doesn't count. But I'm like, but he was like, you lose your executive privilege, the moment out of office, then we'd be going after every single president ever. Why aren't they going after Bush over the Middle Eastern war stuff? This is purely, I think we're getting into authoritarian, fascistic, communistic,

whatever you want to call it, where there's the uniparty, neocons and neolibs. And if you oppose them, they will destroy you. And the people who work in government are just going to, you going to turn along with it. Well, let's remember that the two Republicans on this committee are Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, who are notoriously unpopular in the Republican Party.

I mean, they'll say it's bipartisan, but you have to question why they didn't appoint someone who had a more opposing perspective from the Democrats that are leaving this committee. It's clearly not something that they were interested in doing. I think with Bannon, ultimately, he has just become a man with a target on his back. They know that if they can make this advisor to Trump, who is outside, he represents to a lot of normal Americans, a lot of normal liberal Americans, sort of the fear of who Trump is cultivating or who trump works with and i think by fine i mean i think if he goes to jail for let's say 60 days they also can fine him between a hundred and a hundred thousand dollars so if they hit him with the two hundred thousand dollar fine they put him in jail for 60 days they have sort of landed an arrow on on bannon and that's really all this is

tim can i steal man like i'm just curious because I always like playing devil's advocate, which is what I do on our show. So if you just take the steel man version of the Democrat argument, right, wouldn't they say what happened on January the 6th was an attempt to overthrow democracy and we have to make sure this never happens again, which is why we're doing this? Is that what they would say? One more time. The Democrats are arguing that?

January 6th, it's an attempt to overthrow democracy and they have to follow the legal process to make sure that never happens again. That's essentially their argument.

That's what their argument and what's wrong with that argument in your opinion? It's not real. So they're trying to, so I'll give you an example using me.

They're trying to argue there was an organized effort, a conspiracy to overthrow the US government even though the FBI says, overthrow the U.S. government. Even though the FBI says that's not true. Initially, they did. Now you've got seditious conspiracy charges.

And it's and it's it's just I think it's it's it's all fake for a variety of reasons. One, you've got they had this unnamed co-conspirator and the guy actually like revealed himself saying, like, here's the chat messages. We were saying no violence. It was like it was like criticizing people who are arguing for violence. You've got Ray Epps, for instance, this guy who's out in the street on camera telling people to go in, no charges. The media defends them. The reality is there were no cops protecting the perimeter. Like there was no substantial police force. There were some cops. Police opened the door to the Capitol. Did you know that? Yeah. Police opened the door. They fanned people in. There was a riot at one side force there were some cops police opened the door to the capitol did you know that yeah police opened the door they fanned people in there was a riot at one side

and there were people shoving their way in some areas and maybe half of the people who walked in were invited in by the police the cops opened the doors waved them in oh no all of this i agree with and i totally accept i guess what i'm saying is i think from the from their perspective a more plausible explanation is they thought don Trump was Hitler, right? Yeah. And then his supporters stormed the Capitol, storm, inverted commas. Well, I mean, if their perspective is based on the fact that they're wrong. Oh, no.

Well, then they can believe unicorns exist. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying I think the reason that they're behaving in this way is they decided evil Hitler and his supporters did this. No, they're they're funding they're funding these people you think it's deliberate i mean it's i don't think it's reported fact that the democrats governor's association put 1.16 million dollars into who's dan cox uh yeah dan cox of maryland he's running as the governor they're literally funding the people they claim are threatening democracy so there's no way they believe that's true it's

not monolithic though the democrats is it gets kind of vague because when marjorie taylor green was here last night i listened to you guys talking she was saying the democrats want to she's talking about the democrat congressmen and women but when you say the democrats you're talking about like the governor's association yeah the democratic national committee and and the voters are a bunch and sometimes the voters themselves ignorant people who are marching in lockstep with fake news. Because the people that assign themselves Democrat when they vote are considered Democrats, but they're not the Democratic Congress people. So it's a lot of disparate beliefs.

We're talking about the political party. It's just such a large, disparate action of people. It is. Like some want this, some want that, some think it was. No, no, no. This is not the point. The point is there's democratic leadership and infrastructure, and the infrastructure and leadership and money has an agenda and a goal. True, but to say that because the Democratic Governors Association is funding Trump candidates doesn't mean that all Democrats are funding Trump candidates. No,

it means the democratic establishment is applying resources in that direction in many ways, while simultaneously the same establishment is screaming that this is the end of democracy. So who controls the Democratic establishment? I mean, you can point to a handful of people. For a while, it was Hillary Clinton. I don't, you can say Barack Obama was the leader of the party. There's a bunch of people involved. There's John Podesta.

But I don't know, you know, at this point, it seems like it's fractured and falling apart. And so that could be why it seems chaotic and it seems so insane. It used to very much be that there were prominent individuals that you knew were running the show. If you take a look at back in 2020 when the Boston Globe reported on the war games they were doing, you can see who it was. It was Hillary Clinton's campaign staff, former campaign staff. It's Joe Biden. But you look at the Biden administration and it feels like the Democratic Party is a chicken with its head cut off running around randomly spraying things around. The body is still there. You know, it's still moving around,

but it's lost purpose. So that's why I think it's so dejected and insane. But yeah, simply put, the Democratic voter base is the voter of believing Jussie Smollett. Sorry. These are the people who believe Jussie Smollett. Right. But this is exactly what my point was going to be, because what I see on the left is a bunch of overreactions, sort of like AOC.

Every time something happens, it was like a terrorist attack in her head when someone just made some offensive comments. I mean, yes, but she fabricated the story from January 6th. Oh, of course. That's what I'm saying. It's not an overreaction. It's deliberate fabrication.

Could be both. Could be both, right? That's kind of what I'm – like a big problem on the left that I see is people exaggerating the nature of everything that happens. They're like – they're so obsessed with being a victim, everything makes them extra victim. And that's why I was just asking the question, right? Because I don't know that much about this. I was just sort of posing it as a question, which is, is it not their perspective that this thing that nearly happened would have been absolutely awful? And they really, really, really, really, really want to prevent it from happening again?

No. That would be like the more reasonable argument from their side. But you don't agree? Well, no. I mean, when you look at AOC's story from January 6th... Oh, it's bullshit. But, I mean, totally fabricated. Not just BS. She

altered the timeline of what happened. She literally fabricated the circumstances. Which people who've been through trauma do, right? Fabricate stories? A day later? Absolutely. That's what happens. That's why you can't get witnesses.

She faked having handcuffs the other day. That's what people do, man. That's not trauma. That's malicious evil. It could be both. Well, it's about... Oh, come on. It could be laziness.

You're staring at a politician who has overtly and repeatedly fabricated things and been caught doing it. I agree. And you're like, well, maybe it's, you know... It's not trauma. She's doing it on purpose because it gives her power.

It gives her followers. She gets attention from it. I mean, the big example here is that she has got, there's a couple of video clips of her changing her accent based on who she's speaking to. Seriously. Right? Like for AOC. The Democrats have been doing that for years.

They talk down to black people when they're talking to them. We know that, right? So the fact that, I mean, if you would make the assumption that the numerous times AOC's fabricated stories, and I can give you like five off the top of my head, that it's all accidental or the result of trauma, that is a conspiracy theory. Like that is on par with like, you might as well go buy a lottery ticket because if all those things are coincidences, you've won the lottery by now. No, the simple solution is if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, you've got

a duck. AOC, she lies. She lied when she led the protest in the financial district to get Amazon booted from New York. And then when Amazon jumped out of New York, dropping, I think, what was it, like $30 billion in revenue over 10 years, she goes, I have nothing to do with that. It's not even my district. You look at January 6th, you look at changing her accent, you look at faking her handcuffs. The woman literally just fabricates things with a smile on her face. Oh, at changing her accent. You look at faking her handcuffs. The woman literally just fabricates

things with a smile on her face. Oh, I agree with you. So to say that's the result of trauma, though. No, I'm not saying it's all the result of trauma. None of it is. What I'm saying is sometimes people exaggerate their experience, sometimes deliberately, sometimes not. Do you see what I'm saying? Oh, sure, sure. So I think with her, it's

both. She's a politician. Of course she lies. There's a difference between exaggerating and fabrication. Sure. Exaggerating would be like if AOC said that when the cop knocked on her door and said, where is she? She got scared because she didn't know who this person was and felt threatened by it. I would have been like, that's an exaggeration probably. Instead, she claimed she thought that the rioters got to her a full hour before the rioters breached the building and no one had any idea they would have done that. That's a

fabrication, not an exaggeration. Like no one even came in the building. She turned one circumstance into a different circumstance because she had hindsight. She knew the circumstance of the day and she knew most people did not know the timeline. So when I saw that story, I said, this doesn't make sense. She thought they got in her building. And what do we hear from conservatives? They were like, AOC wasn't even in the Capitol. The fact checkers come out and say the Capitol is connected to those buildings by underground tunnels. And then I said, and her story took place an hour before anyone breached the Capitol in the first place. Did she, was she psychic? Did she know it was going to happen? The reason the cops went to her door was because they were evacuating over a bomb scare.

She did not know. In fact, she had just gone out for lunch or something. Why was she hiding in the bathroom? She fabricated the story. When someone came and knocked on her door, she claimed she went and hid in the bathroom. Why? There was no breaching of the Capitol. She's just sitting in her office one day and someone knocks on the door.

She's like, I better go hide in the bathroom because she fabricated the story. I agree with you that witnesses to crimes can, under stress, misremember things and things become confusing or hyperbolic, but with AOC, she has a track record. I mean, I still think about her photos at the southern

border where she's crying and it turns out there's nothing there. She is a master of political theater and i think in certain points that served her well and she knows that to a certain extent her voter base isn't going to question her anyways like she could say anything and they'd be like you go girl let me see what your skincare routine is my desire to play devil's advocate has got me defending aoc which i have no intention of doing whatsoever well let's let's jump to the next next story the escalation in this.

Check this out. This was huge breaking news yesterday. Lee Zeldin, a Republican from New York, someone tried to stab him. And they're saying it was an alleged stabbing. And I'm like, there's a picture of the guy holding, I don't know what it's called, but it's got two blades on it in his hand

as he's like going. And then Zeldin's holding his arm back. You watch the video first. The guy didn't run full speed and jump up. He casually gets up, walks up to him and goes like this and then gets his arm back. You watch the video first. The guy didn't run full speed and jump up. He casually gets up, walks up and goes like this and then gets his arm grabbed, almost like he didn't really want to do it. But I'm not going to say that he went for it and got taken, you know, pulled down, thrown down. This dude got released immediately, which Lee Zeldin predicted that night. But we're talking about a man who attempted to assassinate, at minimum,

attempted to stab in the neck a Republican running for governor, and they just cut him loose right away. How is it? I thought that only happens in the UK. That's New York state law. It's interesting because Lee Zeldin, one of his major platforms running,

he's challenging Kathy Hochul, is that the crime laws in u.s in in new york are terrible and that they don't keep people safe who need to be kept safe so it's just irony of irony that he was like i can tell you he said this at 1 30 in the morning like under new york state law this man will be released and he was completely right because he knows the law they charged him with attempted second degree assault. You jump on stage to a sitting member of Congress when a sitting member of Congress is there with a blade

in your hand and go for his neck and that's it? I I've heard some like arguments that he was actually reaching for the microphone and that the blade. It's not a knife because the governor of Zeldin said that he said you're done to him before he came at him

Maybe he was going to try and grab the microphone Why does he have a weapon in his hand See if you're approaching a guy with a weapon That's attempted murder I've heard other people say well those are like self defense keychains They're not that serious but it's like Why would we sell them to women for self defense That's what they are

If you're attacked at night they want you to be able to hit your attacker And have more force I mean it's a very strange thing to do and it is even stranger to me that he's just on the street do you have a picture of the blade yep yeah let me see I'm going to put it up on twitter this is wild I'm not going to provide a defense for a guy who

jumped on stage holding a blade and going after a sitting member of congress and telling him he's done allegedly I don't know yeah so it's uh like who knows what that is is that i don't know what it's called people probably know what it's called it's got two spikes on it you hold it between your fingers they're self-defense keychains yeah and in the in the video you can see his arm go up and around towards the neck and that's what a lot

of people reported that he took a swing at at his neck at zeldin's neck and then they grabbed his arm and then someone bear hugged him and pinned him down. You jump on stage, wielding a weapon, saying, you're done, and then move your arm around with the blade in it. Dude, come on. Is there a video of it, of the attack? I guess we'll call it an attack. There is. There are some following along.

You can't see that much, but you can look it up. It's a little far away, but you can see him reach for it. I just think, regardless, this is... Here's what I think of this guy. I did some digging into his into his background and his family and stuff, trying to find out what I could about him. I don't know a whole lot. And this is based on some of his family.

But it seems like their default Democrat types like naive, ignorant, not really paying attention. My my personal assumption is that this guy is probably a dude who watches MSNBC and CNN. Here's the rhetoric. Here's what Hochul says about Zeldin being a big lie, Trump insurrectionist type. And so he's like, I better do something about this. You know, it's like so he so he goes out there thinking he's going to stop this guy. Radicalization.

This is what I wrote about in the Newsweek article about January 6th. The reason Raskin included me out of context in his video is to drive escalation. They, they, so already we have had people, uh, people I work with, people who work for me and people I know say they've, they saw like the reason that the Newsweek article came to be is because I got hit up by Newsweek and they said, the moment we saw you in that clip, we knew it was like, like something's not right here. And they're like, do you want to write about this? And there were a bunch of people hit me up and said, like, my family right here. And they're like, do you want to write about this? And there were a bunch of people who hit me up and said, like, my family saw that. And they were like, whoa, that's the guy you watch. And they had to explain to them that it was fake, that they're lying about this.

But it's radicalizing people. Well, this is the point I made earlier, if you remember, when we started with Bannon. It's like this worries me because your country is being radicalized against itself. And the two sides are being encouraged to see each other's enemies you talk about it in war-like terms it's a war we have to destroy them and this is what you end up with people going on stage trying to stab politicians although i tell you there there are people on the right who are certainly saying stuff about like the tree of liberty and things like that the people on the left are uh you you have the establishment left which is the democratic

they're the ones calling for conflict they're the ones saying like arrest them shut them down take away their votes and then you have the leftists the socialists who just they've always wanted revolution anyway so they're like bring it on then you have the you know more fringe elements of the of the right side that are saying tree of liberty and crazy stuff like that. But then when you look at the prominent right and middle, which is unified, it's totally opposed to all the conflict and violence. So I think the main issue is what do we talk about when we talk about the Civil War or whatever? It's usually like a national divorce. Can it be peaceful?

And how do we prepare for it to protect ourselves against attacks, not to attack? You look at the left and they're talking about how to go and arrest people and shut them. And they're mocking Bannon. They're wielding the power of the federal government against the previous administration. They are wielding law enforcement power to destroy their enemies. My worry is, though, Tim, is if you think about this story, right, if that politician who's Republican, right? If he gets stabbed, that will radicalize people on the right as well. And this is the process.

You go from one to another to another and before you know it, everyone wants to kill each other. But maybe radicalize isn't the right word. If we, I mean, we literally just saw someone try to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh. These leftist groups broke the law and the AG did nothing about it.

And everybody asked him like, hey, you know, this was illegal. And he's like, don't care. Then someone – I said this. If you do not uphold the law when it comes to protesting at this home, they will escalate. Of course. And the next step was the guy showed up with the crowbar and the rope and the taser or whatever he had, pepper spray. It really is like a fire.

If you don't put it out, it just keeps growing. Well, if you don't enforce the law equally for both sides you have no law right right here's what i want to say it's not radicalization when when we just had two assassination attempts in the span of like a month or so for for someone on the right to be like i better bring a gun with me it's not a radicalization it's not them saying they want to kill someone it's them saying i don't want to be killed i watched the video i uh i don't think he's trying to kill him he walked up to him and then he started talking to him and actually backed away like a half a foot and then started to grab at him so it wasn't assault but he would have walked up with a blade in his hand yeah he like walked up and started talking

to him why does he need to become go armed and the other thing to tim's point is that his arm go around for the neck uh they struggled yeah he. He lifted his arm up with the blade. If he wanted to kill him, he would have walked up and killed him really fast. That's not true. You don't walk up and start talking to someone if you want to kill him. You are wrong. In fact, the most effective way to do it is to do it slowly. Not on stage.

Running at someone immediately gets you tackled. Oh, yeah, his approach, for sure. But once he stood, got up to him, he just stood there and started talking to him. And then they struggled. I'm not gonna say i know what he was thinking but he had a blade in his hand and he motioned for his neck and people often make these mistakes because they base their views on movies in a movie you see the guy jump up and i'm gonna get you when you look in real life assassinations could be very very simple and i'll

tell you i'll tell you about uh i was you ever see those theaters those theater events where they have the ninja and uh or actually it's a better example i'll start this – you ever see those theaters, those theater events where they have the ninja? And – or actually, here's a better example. I'll start this way. You ever see those comedy routines where there's a black background on a stage, and then the guy will get fake slashed, and then his body splits because it's actually two people wearing white pants and a white shirt, but then they're wearing all black? The idea of why ninja wear all black was because they would do plays. And to make the ninja not be able to be seen on stage, she would wear all black against a black backdrop. Then when they popped out and did something, you go, oh, it was a ninja. In reality, ninja would dress like a farmer. If you want to infiltrate to assassinate

someone, you have to blend in, not wear all black. And they would do other tricks too. And they would calmly approach, not psychotically run up full speed and scream ah they'd walk up very calmly and and smile and wave it so what you're saying is this guy's a ninja what i'm saying is that that right there you cannot determine whether it was a assassination attempt because he walked slowly or not it's true in fact i think walking slowly is is more is yeah but if the guy like walks up to you with that thing on his hand in the street, you'd be worried, right? For sure. If someone approaches me on the street, I'm worried.

Right, right. But it's not even – I'm ready to run. This is – you're on stage, and when this guy gets up and walks over, he's wearing a veteran hat. They're thinking, like, what's happening? I'll tell you another story, a famous story. Or I should say it may be apocryphal, urban legend. A security guard was in a bank three guys walk in with with ski masks on and rifles and and they just walk right up to him

and say drop your gun and he goes oh he drops it and then they robbed the bank and after they asked the security guard why didn't you do anything and he was like i couldn't believe it was actually happening like i don't know they walked up to me and just took my gun you want to play have you want to play this clip oh Oh, we can't. We can't play an assassination attempt on YouTube. Zeldin addressed it and he said, like, I could see this guy coming out of the corner of my eye. Like, I could see he had a hat on that maybe had a veteran's thing. But, like, when this is happening, you can't really stop to be like, oh, I'm going to reason with him.

Like, you just have to deal with what's going on. Like, grabbed his wrist, things like that. I will also note that the Hochul campaign specifically called out this event in an email saying like it's it's a MAGA Republican bus tour, that big line Lee is like like they drew attention to this event. They radicalized people and then pointed them in this direction. Yeah, because that's the big I mean, we are a very divided country. And especially in New York, you see it as Hochul lining up behind a lot of the more liberal policies that New York has carried through the pandemic. And then Zeldin is a vocal Trump supporter.

So they are a perfect contrast. And to have this become something that's happening in their state and then for him to correctly call out that the guy who attacked him is going to be released, like, it doesn't look great. They're not really looking for a mediation between these two sides who got hokal put put there like she was a lieutenant governor under cuomo and then cuomo resigned she took over so she's running to be elected she was she assumes the the spot afterwards didn't cuomo want to run again or something i think so he's like i'm gonna come back he's never gonna run it into the ground this time yeah but i think this is the stuff I've been talking about. And it's funny because, you know, I'll say something like I think we're headed towards a civil war.

And four years ago, people said that was stupid and that I was a moron. And then I was like, bro, I don't know. I just read The Atlantic. And they were like, we talked to security experts and said the United States is headed for civil war. We're in a fifth generational world war right now. World war? Yes. The other day you were arguing that it wasn't. Now you're is headed for a civil war. We're in a fifth-generational world war right now. World war? Yes. See, the other day you were arguing that it wasn't.

Now you're saying it's a world war. No, I'm very convinced we're in a fifth-generational war, meaning it's a cyber war, a war of the mind and the spirit, and it is global. It's corporations in all countries making you think it's from another country. It's 14-year-olds in their parents' bedroom in the middle of wherever they live. And it's everybody. It's not everybody, but it is a lot of people vying for power digitally in the cyberspace. And they would love to see the United States shoot itself.

How do you combat that? A lot of people would. A lot of people would. Better spirit, better thoughts, ideas, communication skills, better emotions, staying calm. I don't know if there is a way to solve it. I think it may end up being some kind of natural selection phenomenon where those that have the perspicacity to see what's happening start preparing for the winter and those that don't will starve in the winter. You know what I mean? I think it's more of a common threat issue. If you guys felt

that you, like if an alien invasion happened suddenly we'd stop all this bitch fighting, wouldn't we? No, I don't think so either. I think we'd give some people to the aliens. We had a pandemic. And that did not stop. It did in the UK. It did for about three weeks. And then when we

went back to the culture war. But it did. I think a genuine external threat. If aliens came, you'd have the left being like we we back to went back to the culture war but it did i think a genuine uh yeah if if aliens came you'd have the left being like we need to accept diversity and the right being like they're literally invading and they'd be like you don't know that they're bringing us technology and what if the aliens are transphobic maybe not first they will that would be the right being like hey these guys aren't so bad they'd wait to see what cnn told them to feel about the aliens and then that would be the cult and the aliens would come down everyone else would be like what mindset. And the aliens would come down. And everyone else would be like, what are you doing? The aliens would come down and go to the uniparty establishment elites, and they'd say, we're going to give you immortality, cures for all your diseases.

We're going to give you levitation boots. Tell your people to serve us. And they're going to go, done. Real talk, though. What would you guys do if aliens came and were peaceful and were like, we're here to coexist? I don't think aliens that would come would be peaceful ever. Yeah. That doesn't seem like they're in a situation that they were and they came and they're like,

we're here to help. What could you do? What could you do? You do what you're doing and live your life and just coexist with them. You wouldn't want to destroy them. Just deport them. What do you mean coexist with them? Well, the aliens are like their motherships in the sky.

They're like, we're here. We're going to stay here with you. We want to stay here with you and help you and live amongst you and they're super peaceful they're beautiful would you accept it and would you like okay now we're working together trust them if they were like we're here to help you it's good if they're legitimately just peaceful and and i okay i don't care same like you'd be down to just live and coexist i mean it's a it's a it's a mind you know it's a if they're if they're if they're bringing technology and whatever, it's just like, oh, wow. Because the American colonists, when they came in the Native Americans, they were totally peaceful.

I mean, I don't know if they were totally peaceful. No. They were very peaceful to a lot of them. No, they weren't. Thanks for helping us live throughout the winter, learning how to grow corn. Bro, bro, stop. Not all of them. I'm not saying all of them.

No, the story you're talking about also does not end well. Well, there were – like Cortez in Mexico was very peaceful at first with the Aztecs. Okay. Is that the Aztecs? It was Cortez. There's so much there, bro. At first. And in the Incans, who was it?

Pizarro, I think, went down with the Incans. They loved him. They accepted him. He went. He befriended the emperor. And then they captured him and executed him. Basically, they took him prisoner. Yeah.

Everybody just fights. So if the aliens came and they were like, yeah, we can help you. Put us in the White House. Would you? No. But here's the White House. Would you? No. But here's the issue I have with that. Like, you think they're going to be people. Let's just say aliens show up and there's a gigantic ship and it's filled with water.

And the aliens are gigantic, fleshy sacks with no eyes or ears or mouths. And they consume by sucking water in like filters, but they also have big brains. There's no communication with them. Also, we need water, so if they suck up all the water, we're dead. They don't care about this. They filter the water like a filter, ocean filters. Humans are pretty xenophobic.

I think that humans would eradicate them on arrival. Every species is xenophobic. Well, this is why I said to you it would never happen that they'd be peaceful because if they made the effort to come here, there'd be a reason for it, I think. They'd start taking stuff. Right.

My idea, I want to do a short film where an alien ship comes down over New York and then everyone's like, wow, aliens. And then they go up onto the skyscraper and they look and they're like, come make contact. And then all of a sudden a gigantic laser beam just slices a building in half and then attract, and then it just falls and attractor beam grabs it and strips, rips all the copper and metal wiring out. And the rest just crumbles and falls to the ground, crushing people. Then a bunch of ships come down and start mowing down buildings and ripping out the metals. And then people are like, Oh no, they're attacking us. And then it switches the perspective of the aliens. And it's just some fat lumberjack alien going, we got a big crop here. Get the critters out of there. And then we'll just strip the the copper out bring it back to the ship

like we don't go there and negotiate with squirrels you know we don't we don't we don't go into the fields of wheat and negotiate with the with the field mice and the bunnies we don't care we just wipe them look at the history of human beings man anytime a group of people has moved from one area to another always it always ends the same way. Yeah. Whoever has the power to sustain their group, their tribe. 100%. So if that's life as we see it on Earth, and it's indicative of most life, like invasive life, invasive organisms take the opportunity to invade when they can, but natural predators curtail them. Why would any alien race coming to Earth be any different?

It's possible they could be. We just have no reason to believe that based on life on Earth. Yes, you hear that, aliens? You would be fools to come here first, send us a message so that we can chat before you arrive. The difference is there's no intelligent life. We've been able to technologically advance intelligent species that we've been able to work with. But look at how we deal with whales.

Whales are intelligent, very intelligent. And we just shoot them and kill them. I read a story about whales that they're actually land mammals that went back into the ocean. They evolved on land and then at some point crawled back in. They're freaking wild. Yeah, that's why they're mammals underwater. That's my derail for the day. All right, let's talk about where this could potentially go then instead of the world falling apart.

It could be gutted. Trump reportedly plans to purge the deep state if he wins next election we'll use executive order to strip employment protections that's about it they're saying up to 50 000 employees could be fired uh i'm voting for trump that's it that's all you you you say that to me good sir and i'm like okay i'll vote for you there's a lot trump could do wrong at this point i still vote come on baby take me back i won't hit you again. Come on. No way. He said he was going to do it the first time. Not like this. Trump actually did implement executive order schedule F and then Biden reversed it. So Trump began the process of trying to fire these guys. These bureaucrat

administrative state people have protections. But I'll tell you this. It doesn't matter. Joe Biden is spitting on us and beating us over the head. And my worst case scenario is like this guy's promising to do better. It's already bad. Plus, under Trump, the economy was good. I'll take it. What else? What about your DeSantis push? See, that's what I was saying. I said, I don't think DeSantis would fire everybody like Trump would. And then all of a sudden, we get a report that Trump wants to fire everybody. There we go. Do you think Trump's listening to you? Do you think that's what the, that's what happened? I said, Trump fire everybody.

And then Trump was like, I think I'm going to fire everybody. What if DeSantis said he's going to fire everybody as well? Would you vote for him over Trump? Well, maybe the thing is that is big. And if DeSantis said he was going to go in and fire everybody the exact same way, that's a huge advantage. I don't know though. I think Trump's got a bone to pick. Right. I think what really makes me believe Trump would do it is he wants revenge. That's it. DeSantis would probably try to negotiate and simmer things down and then get taken advantage of because that's what Trump tried doing. He's like, I'm going to drain the swamp. He gets in and says, OK, OK, we'll we'll bring Bolton in. Fine. Got knifed in the back

for that one. Now, I think Trump Trump, they really, really went after him. I think he wants revenge for Russiagate. So it's that. It is his anger over Russiagate and being impeached for UkraineGate where I think he's going to go and it should be like, you're fired, you're fired, you're fired. Ron DeSantis doesn't need revenge. But then what after? If he fires everyone, is he going to be trusted? Can we can we believe that he's going to install well what kind of

matters after that like that's what i was going to say why does he really want a guy who's angry and wants revenge as president oh i don't i don't mind the anger but like if he cleans house in the first year what happens after that how do we know that we have less government yeah but like how do we know he's not going to be advised we'll just just let this guy come in and then it's kind of all going to go back like how do we know that he's going to be able to reinstall something because i think rock bottom exists and i think what we've looked at with the uniparty over the past several decades is so far down we've hit mantle no rock bottom would be like fallout we don't that's not like the fallout universe the. The video game after it's like post-nuclear apocalypse. I'm talking about with the corruption of our government.

When Marjorie Taylor Greene told us that there's like two people sitting in the house and then they're just like, yay, passed. Next bill. What was that? Is that a yes? Whatever, passed. You know, that's what they do. Congress doesn't even go in to vote. It is so broken at this point. OK, you're fired. Get rid of all of it. And then it's like, but

then we'll have no government. I'm like, OK, you have not you've not made a negative point yet. That's a net positive, in my opinion, considering how bad it's been. Now, there's there's the potential that Donald Trump appoints a bunch of authoritarian fascists. It's not going to happen either. Donald Trump was going to bring in some people like Peter Navarro and Kash Patel, who we've already seen who are actually pretty good. And so it's like, okay, he guts that they're saying that they don't have to gut 50,000 people just enough to where people stop being corrupt because they know that purge it'll straighten things out. All right, well, I'll take whatever I can get.

The system's already broken, right? Someone already stole my TV. I don't got a TV anymore. Donald Trump says, we're going to go in and we're going to arrest all these people and get them out of there. And we're going to deal with the police department. I'm like, oh, whatever. I mean, my stuff's all gone. Do it.

Do something. I think the system's always been kind of janky, like put together by duct tape and string. And then the American Constitution was pretty cool. And it makes it run like the engine is turning. Everything's OK. It's pumping out a lot of carbon, but, you know, it's functioning, even though it's held together by duct tape. And if you don't constantly keep patching it up, it's just going to break and then fall on the ground. So we're in that stage of like, why is it shaking so fast?

I don't know. I don't want to touch it. I'm going to get killed if I get near it. No, we got to do something about this. You know, maybe the transmission is a little bit old on this old rickety country and you got to take it apart,

clean it out, reconstruct it. You know what I mean? Just put it back together. In order to do that, you got to stop the machine for a little while. And Trump firing everybody would be a fantastic start.

Isn't that what the woke think? That this country needs to just be broken apart and start again? No, they think you need to take the transmission out, shatter it to a million pieces and then try and put some and build a new one or put nothing in place they think this machine is producing carbon it needs to be pulled out and then we'll be great and you're like you need the machine so we have a

machine that works works really really well it's a brilliant system of government we just need to get rid of the the gunk that's stuck in it, you know what I mean, and just pull it out and throw it in the trash. They want to just shatter the machine. They have no replacement. What I see is that Trump, another Trump term, brings this whole thing that we've been talking about today 10 levels further. You're getting closer to civil war, much, much closer. They've already written articles saying ron de santis is worse than trump numerous they will of course they will so if the argument is that trump winning escalates it well they're claiming ron de santis is worse than trump so wouldn't that escalate it

one article doesn't mean they all believe it's not one article to numerous articles from numerous personalities all coming out in lockstep knowing over over the past several months, they're saying Ron DeSantis is even worse than Trump. Ron DeSantis is he's got the sly, slick tongue, which makes him even more dangerous. Like they said Trump was worse than Hitler. How many times? If that's the escalation they have, Trump is bad. They're trying to claim DeSantis is worse. They've been doing it for months. If if DeSantis wins, it's the same thing. It's it's not changing. We need to just have someone get in and fire these people and shut it down. That's not good.

There's no – so what's the alternative? Let the corrupt gut the machine and sink the ship. Term limits for administrative staff and congresspeople. How do you get that? Convention of states. But perhaps, yes. That's what they're trying to do, convention of states, amendment for term limits

on the deep state. I just, I don't see how any of these things stop the escalation. A convention of states would be the same thing as Trump getting elected. If we could get the governors together

and actually be able to convene on a regular basis, enough of us, governance, we could take control and solve a lot of issues, I think. I think it's mostly a cultural thing anyway. It's like we all know politics is downstream of culture.

It won't change until the culture changes. The culture, it can't be changed because there's two distinct fortified cultures. Sure. But this is not the first time in history that's been the case. Well, I mean, typically throughout history, when you have two distinct worldviews, they don't just come together and shake hands. Sure. They wipe the other side out so right now we have one culture that thinks children should get sex change surgery and one side that thinks they shouldn't i think i don't think there's there's not really a compromise there you have one side that thinks there should be abortion

post viability elective abortion post viability and one side that doesn't and there's no compromise and there's that's it there's none i don't i don't i don't see how you convince when when right now uh you've got twitter and reddit saying you can't call people groomers and they're actually you've actually people grooming children you've got a government administration official saying we should give sex change surgery to children like dude but they call it affirmation guys you know i agree with you on all of this right you know that uh my concern is again just speaking as an outsider i i don't comment on american politics in the sense that i don't live here i don't pay taxes here it's your country you do with with it what you want but the conversation i'm hearing here and with a lot of other people that i meet is like this conversation takes you

to a point of no return. But there's no alternative. This is what I'm hearing, right? This is why I've been saying I think civil war is inevitable, because there is no circumstance. Do you like the NHS? You're from the UK, right? Yeah.

It's called the NHS, right? It is. Do you like it? It's a hard question to answer. Some of it is good. Some of it is terrible. Do you prefer it? To what?

To a private system like we have in the United States. Well, I've never experienced the American system, so I don't really know. Would you give it up? The NHS. Like if someone came in and said we want to abolish it outright, would you agree to that? Depends what they put in place. We don't have a plan. We just want to get rid of it.

No. You wouldn't do that? No, because I want to get rid of it. Well, come on. Compromise with me, though. Right? How about we get rid of it, and. You wouldn't do that? No, because I want to hear what the plan is. Well, come on. Compromise with me, though. Right? How about we get rid of it, and then we'll negotiate on what the... No.

Let's talk about what you're proposing instead. My proposal is to gut that system because it's evil and wrong. And replace it with? Well, we'll figure that out when it comes to it. Not interested. So it doesn't matter what you're interested in because we're going to take it anyway, and if you don't listen, we're going to throw a brick through your window. That's the point being made right now in the United States. So when someone

comes out and says, we should be able to terminate a viable baby at eight months if we want to or not, there's literally no compromise. But that isn't the law, right? So there is a compromise. It is in, I think, seven states and DC. Yes. And then you have, I think, how many states have totally banned abortion? Six? Well, there's a lot of block to it because of the judicial challenges but i think it's six in total so we're getting to that point there is it's no but they're not trying to mandate that at the federal level you can live in a state where that isn't the case right the democrats are trying to mandate at the federal level that you can abort a baby post viability up to nine months yes that's what roe v. Wade did for us.

Right. It made it a federal issue. But Roe v. Wade made it so you couldn't ban abortion pre-viability. So it was initially a trimester standard change to a viability standard. Democrats tried codifying a bill that would allow for elect—I shouldn't say elective. Abortion in the instance of health of the mother up to nine months. But there's a trick there. Abortion would mean it said post, but it said it would allow for abortion of a viable fetus in the instance of health of the mother. And so the issue there is if the fetus is viable,

it can survive outside the mother. Why kill it? Why legalize the killing of it? So they're like, if ma'am, if you keep this baby for another week, you'll die. So we're going to kill the baby. We could deliver it. We could do it. He's like, no, we're going to kill it. So the question is, okay, maybe there's a moral argument to why they wanted to do that. They don't have one. They don't give me one. I've asked numerous progressives. They don't post it online why they want to do it. And so the only thing I can say is they're trying to find a workaround to abort viable – like to kill viable babies. But you have a system in place that prevents that from being the federal law, right?

It could be. Unless the Democrats tried to make it federal law. Of course. But you've got to be able to coexist with people with whom you disagree in the same society. So the issue is that I'm saying the disagreements are untenable. There's no compromise. There's no circumstance where, well, so the compromise was the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Conservatives saying, how about your state can do what you want, our state can do what

we want. The problem there is that's one more domino being knocked over towards a civil war. Because the scenario I've presented is what happens when a man and a woman hook up, woman gets pregnant. And then eight months later, she says, you know what? This guy is not right for me. I a woman hook up, woman gets pregnant. And then eight months later, she says, you know what? This guy is not right for me. I'm going to go terminate the baby in Texas. It would be illegal for her to do so. And I think it may be Oklahoma where they have, or it might be like Idaho or something. I'm not sure which one they have. They have an

abortion trafficking law, meaning that if you aid or traffic in abortion, abort efficiency or tools or helping someone get an abortion, it's a crime. How will Texas deal with the fact that there's a man saying she kidnapped my baby at eight months gestation who's viable and could survive if we just deliver instead of killing it? I'll take it. She can leave. And she goes, no, that would tie me to you. I'm going to go kill it instead. What happens when she flees to Colorado for an eight month elective abortion, which she can get? And the father in Texas says, Texas government, please help. She's kidnapped my son. I don't see a solution there. I mean, the way I see it is to try trying to explain it to pro-choice people would be imagine

a woman kidnapped a baby the day it was born and then went to a state where they were going to let her chop its head off. They'd be like, but it's a baby. It's like, right, right. The conservative pro-life people view it the exact same way when it's in the womb at eight months versus when it's out of the womb at eight months. So what do you do when there's no federal intervention and the states are forced to decide how do we save that child from execution? Does Texas invade Colorado or do they tell the guy, sorry, she escaped the state? No, I think what might happen is Colorado would demand, I'm sorry, Texas would demand Colorado extradite. Colorado would refuse.

Then Texas would say, we're not going to allow people to cross. We're setting up a checkpoint now to make sure that people can't do this ever again. And then you'd see state borders popping up. And then you'd probably see vigilantism. The dad who doesn't want his son killed would probably get a posse together. Who knows? That's the escalation without federal intervention

and there isn't any anymore. So the compromise was we don't like abortion, but we'll let you do it. But now you have people fleeing to go do it and it's going to create more tension. That makes sense.

My point is you're going to have to work this out, man. You just are. That's the situation. A lot of people talk about civil war. You've never lived through civil war. You don't want it. And that's's the situation or a lot of people talk about civil war who've never lived through civil war you don't you don't want it oh and that's why the veterans are the ones who are like please stop right we've seen conflict and so that that's what my take on certainly in the uk is like yes the woke have gone crazy the progressives have gone crazy and some of the

response on the right bothers me too there's's got to be a way through. Okay. Compromise. What level of child sex change are you okay with? I mean, you're picking on a very specific issue. We can talk about it for half an hour. There's probably some kind of compromise. For example, I employ several people who have gender dysphoria, right? If they want to transition at the age of 16. For example, I employ several people who have gender dysphoria. Right? If they want to transition at the age of 16 with parental consent, I don't even know. 16, 17, 18, where should that line be?

Right? Well, we're talking about seven-year-olds. No. Children can't consent. Well, then you're transphobic because this is what they're doing. This is what they're doing in the United States. And the government came out and told parents to do it, and Biden did the same thing. Well, see're transphobic because this is what they're doing. This is what they're doing in the United States. And the government came out and told parents to do it, and Biden did the same thing. Well, see, here's the thing, right? We had a guy on from the Tavistock Clinic in the UK on my show on trigonometry, who was basically a whistleblower saying what was happening in this clinic.

Well, guess what? The arguments that people were making about that, exposing what was happening, now the situation is being wrote back. Laws are being changed. People are actually getting to a healthier position on that issue. And I think we're making progress, right? So I do think shining a light on some of this stuff will help over time. But if you want an instant solution, yeah, you're not going to get it. So I don't, I don't, I'm not saying there's an instant solution. I'm saying you go to someone and tell them something very simple,

like, hey, I don't think children can consent to this stuff. I don't think they know. And they call you a transphobe and try to get you banned. I've been there. Trust me. It was Mario Lopez who said three-year-olds don't know if they're transgender, and he was forced to issue an apology. On this front, it has only been expanding in the direction towards child sex changes. Not only.

Not in the U.K. It's not in the UK. We're making progress, right? But this is what I'm saying. You're not going to get straight to where you want to go right away. But we are seeing people winning cases in court saying that, for example, the belief – I don't know if you followed the My Star 4 Starter case. It was a case in the UK where basically she was, I think, fired or denied a promotion because she said that trans women aren't women or something like that. And the court actually found in favor of her, and it's now a protected philosophical belief or whatever.

So you can make progress by what we're doing here, which is having a conversation, exposing certain things to the light. And that is the way you do it, unless you want civil war war unless you want people to die in the hundreds of thousands no of course not I don't think you do the focus should be on how do you get to a better place I was going to ask with Boris Johnson resigning how are the other political parties in the UK

reacting to that it's very hard for me to imagine if a president resigned in the US and then whatever party was in power got to just pick a new one it's hard for me to imagine americans going through that system well wouldn't the vice president become vice president would become but for you boris johnson stepped down yeah and you guys just get to pick well we're a parliamentary system we don't elect a prime minister we like we like the palm but it's interesting we have a problem in

the uk now because what happened was Boris Johnson resigns. The way that the elections happen is the MPs, the members of parliament, pick the two top nominees. And then members of the party pick from out of those two. And what they did, of course, they had a great candidate who was super popular with the membership. Penny Mordaunt? No, no, no. She's very unpopular with the membership. Kemi Badenoch.

Oh, yeah, yeah. She is incredible on all this stuff that we're talking about the trans stuff the cultural stuff brilliant and so of course they made sure that she didn't yeah she never polled in even in the top four she never got into the final even though with the membership she would have been a hundred percent the winner and she would have been prime minister they they forced her not so we got big problems tim i'm not disagreeing with you to To go back to your point about having a discussion and compromising, we've, since the start of the show, politely invited people on the left to come and hang out. As have I. We've all been through this. I get it.

They don't. And the other issue is we've also sat back and let them literally murder people without accountability. Figuratively murdered people. It's not legal murder literally murder people like when uh aaron danielson was oh i thought you're talking about abortion or when when don't make well they didn't they didn't when there wasn't legal they just got released what do you mean what like they would catch and release these people right i'm saying there's there's been there's been murders of that accountability there's been violence of that

accountability there was uh two billion dollars in capped damage in the Summer of Love, the riots. There was the 529 insurrection. And then, you know, with all due respect, you're here saying, well, we need to have a conversation and compromise. I'm like, bro. I never used the word compromise, by the way. Okay, sorry. No, it's fine. But we got to have a conversation, right?

100%. It's like, okay, well, dude, I'm sitting here minding my own business. I get out of the cities. I say, please just leave me alone over and over and over again. And then I'm told, well, if you don't talk to these people, what's to talk about at this point? I retreated, and they're still burning down, throwing bricks through windows, and trying to assassinate people. I agree. That's completely wrong.

But there's no conversation with people who are defending. You don't have to have the conversation with them. Here's what I'm saying, right? The society is made up of about 7% of people who are progressive, crazy, blah, blah, blah, right? And there's a small bunch of people on the other side, on the other extreme, who are crazy equally. Everybody else actually is in the middle. Now, it depends country by country what that middle looks like. I don't know.

You tell me how big that is in the U.S. In the U.K., I'd reckon that's 80%, 85%. Those people are the vast, overwhelming, silent majority. And I think they're coming over to our side with every single one of these instances that you're talking about. And to me, I don't want to talk to the crazies on either side. I'm interested. How do we get the sensible people in the middle to see sense, to stop legislating for all this crap that we've got going on and actually have policies that make sense for the majority of the people in this country? Because the majority of people in any country are not crazy. And this is why we may be seeing a red tsunami in November that Latinos, for instance, in the Rio Grande Valley, they're all. But this is the election of Trump.

This is the election of Trump supporters and Trump Republicans, his endorsements. Do you know what his ratio is on endorsements? Trump's like 100 to 10 or something. Yeah, it's some crazy number. I don't know. So what's happened is Donald Trump is a moderate. He's just bombastic. His policies were that of like a late 90s, 2000s New York Democrat. Now it's considered

conservative. He unfurled a rainbow flag at the I think it was the RNC or something. He's the first president in U.S. history to support gay marriage before being president. Even Hillary Clinton didn't support it in 2016. so you get this moderate to be president and he woke up a bunch of regular people the neocons hated it he was moderate in his policies in most of them he wasn't moderate in his behavior then that's well that's what triggers them you know that exactly right and so people who are based on whose decisions are making is based on emotion they couldn't stand no what trump was no but the people who are flocking to him they're flocking to him because he's saying he's going to nuke the gut. He's going to fire all these people. He's going to purge the system

and people are sick of the broken system. And what's what's fascinating is the Democratic Party is becoming wealthier and more white. And they are the second most pressing issue for Democrats is political extremism. That's why Democrats are screaming abortion and January 6th. But regular people don't care about that stuff. Right. So this is why I think the Democrats providing funding to Trump-endorsed candidates is a ridiculous mistake. And what's going to end up happening is when Donald Trump invariably wins. You think he's going to win? Well, we're an eternity away.

But I don't see how the Democrats could beat Trump at this point. So look, we got two years joe biden's aggregate approval record low has has gone gone lower than trump's lowest so right now objectively biden is hated by more hated more by america than trump ever was you put trump up against that he's going to be like hey i got mean tweets best numbers of our lives so that's what jim cramer. Remember that? $1.84 for gasoline. Remember that? It was like $2.13 national average, but we saw it go down to like $1.50 in some areas. Yeah, people at this point are going to be like, don't take a ham sandwich over the Democrats. But what do you think happens with the wealthy elites in the Democratic Party who know they're facing probably criminal investigation and prosecution like Hunter

Biden? He currently is. Well, this was my point is I'm worried, first of all, that if Trump does get elected, he's not going to get a lot done because they just won't let him. Right. That's what happened with the first term. Well, that's my point. So why would it be easier with the second term post January 6th? Well, they think this was unleashed. Right.

So that's the thing. But look, come back to my point, which I think is actually you tell me how true it is because I don't know that much about the United States. I don't live here, right? But I do believe there's a sensible majority of people in the middle who are there to be won over by either side, either side, as long as they start talking sense on a lot of these issues. And in the UK, that's what happened. That's what happened. It depends on the data that you look at.

Right now, I think the latest data I saw in factioning, it's a bell curve. So it's actually not 80% are in the middle. It's 20% to 30% are in the actual middle. And then you have left-leaning, right-leaning. Then you have left-right. Then you have hard left, hard right. What we saw with Pew was that the sideliners the the regular people are actually you know i think it was like 15 to 20 percent and they're center right so like it's obvious when you look

at what the left is that regular people would be center right relative to them because you need you need a baseline for what the left is and clearly the regular people aren't there um but i think these people for the most part still aren't wanting wanting to vote outside of the Democrats or vote for anything that we saw this in 2018 when I think it was 31 moderate Democrats got elected in Trump districts because they promised to actually entertain real issues. And then they just went for impeachment and they just became culture warriors. And it was like abandoning regular people. But I don't know if these people – I'll put it this way. I don't know. I don't know how big the middle is, if there even is one.

What we saw from Twitter trends was a hype – the middle was flattened out and spread far left. What we saw from Pew Research was that the middle has been flattened and now spread. The middle of the left is far left, and the middle of the right is a little bit more right than it used to be but there's no it's a valley in the middle now well i mean on twitter twitter no i'm talking about pew research yeah yeah i hate a valley not a not a belker yeah i hear you maybe this is the way in which our countries are different but i i do think that um one of the reasons people on the center left would never vote republican in the conception of it as it has been is because of the way that Trump was.

They may well vote for someone who's a little bit more not sensible necessarily in terms of policy but sensible in terms of the way that they comport themselves. Because you know that triggers the hell out of them. Well, this is why maybe DeSantis. That's my point. But we need to fire the administrative state. It is the biggest threat to this country in my point. But that's my point. We need to fire the administrative state. It is the biggest threat to this country, in my opinion. It is.

It is. It is. The swamp does not convey the slime and and putrescence of the corruption in this country. I don't think you can fire him, though. I agree that it's a problem for sure. But if you go up and you're like, I want all hundred thousand, ten thousand of you to be fired tomorrow. They're like, well, we control all the spy networks and all the sub-military machines.

You're really going to try and get us, dude? You, one guy? We're not talking about that. We're talking about civil servants. We're talking about people who work in administrative offices. They run the CIA. Those are the people that run the shadow government, basically. Trump wants to appoint a new head of the CIA and FBI that's different from the general civil servants, the two million of which operate in all facets of government.

And yes, Trump's attempt was to schedule F them so they would be fired. So my point is, rather than be like, you're all done tomorrow, be like, you've got term limits now. You've got two more years to finish out your term. Well, the idea would be to fire the people who are redundant and replace them wait if they're redundant you wouldn't replace them all right fire the fire the people who are unnecessary i'm open to that but we should cycle them out which is almost all two years rather than coming to be like tomorrow i don't i don't think he would really all in one day be like everyone go but i think it would be in quick succession that's why

i gave like i was like saying if he can do it in one, his first year, let's say Trump gets reelected, all of 2024, he's cleaning house. You know, it's not like it's all over one day. It's not like when they replaced the White House, but very over the course of 12 months, he cleans out everyone who needs to be gone. My question is, who is filling in the ranks? Even if he downsizes the government, who is coming in to replace them? You might not need to replace them, as

Ian pointed out, if they're redundant or unnecessary. And then would we pay, as taxpayers, just pay their retirement packages? Just basically give them a bailout and send them away? No, I think they should get unemployment and go find another job. Unemployment? Yeah, like anybody else in this country. I am concerned with what you're saying,

Anna Claire, about who's coming in next. And I don't want to be too hard on Trump. But one of the things I really bothered me about Trump was the way he handled covid and how he just handed power to Fauci and was like this unelected body can now control the whims of the people and make decisions. I'm like, I didn't elect Fauci. I don't I didn't I don't want Fauci in this medical industry deciding what I have to do with my daily life. That's great. Medical tyranny is as dangerous as banking tyranny or as martial tyranny in a lot of ways. What bothers me more about it is who is attracted to that kind of bureaucratic federal position. I mean, in some ways, you're not running

for office, you're getting appointed, and maybe you lead a department and you oversee the budget and you get to sign the paperwork that can really make a tremendous difference in people's lives. I mean, I just, I have such skepticism for the way government works. It's not that I don't think we should continue to fight to make the system work or fix it where it's wrong. But like, I just don't know who is applying for these jobs, even if Trump is in office. I, that kind of person or historically those people are, I don't know. Do you know about the war game they did,

the Boston Globe reported on in 2020? It was like John Podesta, Hillary Clinton campaign, some neocons. They effectively played what was D&D. This is really funny. We should totally do this, by the way. They did a Dungeons and Dragons on the 2020 election. And so they were like, okay, John Podesta,

you're going to play Trump's campaign and so-and-so, you're this campaign. And then they were like, okay, John Podesta, you're going to play Trump's campaign and so-and-so, you're this campaign. And then they took turns deciding what they would do, rolling die to see what would happen. Yeah, it was crazy. I think that's what they did with, yeah, like it was like D&D. Yeah, we should totally do it and film it.

It'd be so fun. Awesome. And I believe it was in this war game, I can't remember who it was, it might've been Podesta. They said that the West Coast should secede from the union if donald trump wins another term should or would should they were trying to encourage washington oregon and california to secede so i i think about stuff like that and i'm like why even literally entertain that as like they thought that would happen is

that what they thought would happen so it was like i i i don't know exactly who was the one who suggested i don't think it was pod, but someone in the game suggested secession. So, you know, what I'm looking at is, I've been reading a lot about the first Civil War. For instance, Texas apparently joined the Confederacy out of, it was a geographic necessity. They needed a trade partner and they were blocked off from the rest of the unions. They're like, we don't know what else we would do, I guess. Maryland wanted to join. There was the sentiment in Maryland was to join the South, but they just couldn't do it for a lot of reasons. One was that the union went in and arrested 31 reps in the state who supported secession,

and the rest were like, we'll do whatever you say, man. And then Lincoln suspended Hapia's corpus in the corridor from DC through Maryland up to Pennsylvania so they could arrest whoever they want without charge or trial. Really crazy stuff. People don't understand the depth of what happened with the civil war. They assume it was like all these states got together, high-fived each other and said, we're not the Confederacy. When what actually happened was a small handful seceded and that was the end of it. Then Lincoln gets elected. Then Lincoln gets inaugurated. He was elected. His election resulted in this. He's immediately says session is illegitimate and we're coming for you. The battle at Fort Sumter starts. Then several other states

were like, yo, this is getting crazy. We're with the other guys on this one. You're a tyrant. So it could be that Texas bans abortion and everyone says, well, this is crazy. Colorado has unrestricted. That scenario I pointed out earlier occurs. And everyone's like, it's just two states. It's just two states. And then another state says we're cutting off all trade line supplies and contracting. If you are in, imagine this, in Texas, they say any business that operates in Texas is

no longer allowed to operate out of Colorado. We will not allow transactions to the state, to any banking institution in the state, because they kidnapped children and murdered them. Things like that might start happening. Then you might get, you know, the federal government coming in and pressuring Texas and saying, you're pressing up on our laws. Then all of a sudden Oklahoma is like, yo, this is crazy. What are you doing in Texas? And then goes to provide aid to Texas. One by one, you'll see dominoes falling down. No, I hear what you're saying. And this is why we're having this conversation because what I'm saying is people in positions like yours and mine who are having conversations about these issues, I think the way we've got to look at it is what is the outcome that we're trying to achieve or the outcome that we're at least trying to prevent, right?

Now, if we accept that civil war is bad, do we accept that? It's terrible. Right. Worse than bad. You don't understand. One of the bloodiest wars in history of course and it would be way worse now than it has been at any time in history before the the i'll just i'll just stress this man it is especially with antifa these people have never seen grievous injury i swear that you know uh i will i will say trigger

warning for for people listening because i know there are people who have dealt with real trauma. And I mean this like a real trigger, not some stupid, you know, oh, it's offensive word. No, I've seen people whose legs have been turned into ground shuck. And the feeling you get when you see that kind of stuff or the feeling you get when I saw the first time I saw a dead person being carted away from me in a conflict, it's a feeling that I never felt before. And I was like 27 years old, and it was weird. 27 years old, and I was like, this is an emotion I've never experienced. Now, I imagine back in the day, it's an emotion people experienced quite a bit because people died in front of them, and there was war.

And we grew up in this safety bubble. So I tell you, when these Antifa people actually see it in front of them, when they start to see that, it's going to twist their brains in ways they did not expect the feeling they get but it may it may make many of them more radical 100 so that's what i'm saying is we got to work back from that civil war bad very very bad right so how do you avoid it well the way you avoid it is you find a democratic solution by targeting the people in the middle who are actually quite fed up they're quite fed up of all this crap that's going on uh they're quite afraid they're worried about speaking their mind and we give them permission to do that we make it okay

we challenge some of the legal changes that are being made this is the process we're starting very slowly some people would disagree with me even in the uk where i come from right but we are making some slow progress and i think that's the way you do it you target that middle you bring them on board and then you avoid the terrible thing that we'd all like to avoid i do agree i agree with the strategy and it i you know some people say it's pessimistic when i'm like i think it may be inevitable or the dominoes are falling over and that seems to be the outcome or we're in some kind of civil war as it is, fifth-generational warfare. But it may be pessimistic.

But at TimCast.com, we're certainly trying to do that, right? Yeah. So when we were starting – when we were expanding the company, I took a look at a bunch of what other companies had done. And you look at every single commentary and podcasting network, and what do they do? They load up on commentators and get a big roster of commentators who all have similar opinions. That's not what we did because my goal isn't just to make money. My goal is to affect change. So the first thing we did, I think the first show we launched was Tales from the Inverted World, which is paranormal true crime mystery

with Shane Cashman. Because I said, what we want to do is we want to create a space where people who are hearing nothing but this stuff can kind of chill out with fun entertainment. So we're not just creating a hyper-polarized commentary space. Right. We launched Cast Castle, comedy and silliness. We launched Pop Culture Crisis, conversations about celebrities and gossip so that it's an eclectic space. So people who are worried about this stuff that we're talking about, they'll have a space to actually talk about normal things. And the culture we want to build excludes the woke insanity and Antifa. They won't be a part of the world that we're trying to create. So what I'm hoping to do

is we're running ads right now. We just launched one simple ad so far as a trial run for Tales from the Inverted World. We saw tremendous, tremendous results among 18 to 24-year-old men and 65 and up women. So 18 to 24-year-old men, we get 18 to 54-year-old men on this show really, really well, with the spike being, I think, 25 to 34. 18 to 24 is low, so getting a big response on Tales from the Inverted World is huge, and 65-year-old women. Not to mention, women across the board, really responded well in the ads.

The reason this is good is I want people to come to TimCast. I want them to see these stories and be pulled away from Disney and Netflix and Hulu and the weird woke stuff. And then just watch Pop Culture Crisis and Cast Castle and the other shows we're going to launch, comedy specials. I don't want to bring them into a space that is dominated by conservatives or even libertarians screaming, the end is nigh. It is bad enough that that's what we're essentially doing.

So we want to create a space that slowly starts carving out something that's more relaxing. I love it, man. I think that's great. And we are doing that, the same thing with Trigonometry. We've got big plans because culture is at the core of this, right? Comedy, humor, music, entertainment. that's the way you do it. You can scream about politics all day long and you can change some things, but culture, that's where you get masses of people who are not political, but who do, you know, they feel like they can't say what they think at work or

they've got some kind of other issue going on and they don't want to be a sort of cultural warrior or in this space i think comedy is a big part of it that's why we do our raw shows and we make fun of everybody left and right because that's how i think you get people to that from that middle to that middle and i know i think it's really great that you're doing that we're going to try that i mean you look at you know daily wire obviously very different to what we do but um you know they're they're making movies yep right they get it this is how you do it, man. The Daily Wire is not making conservative movies.

Right. Exactly. I don't want to watch a conservative movie. Exactly. I don't want to watch a movie. I just want to watch a movie and relax and have a good time. Exactly. That's what I want.

Exactly. And I don't want to hear about 72 Genders while I'm at it. Just leave that out. Show me the movie. I'll enjoy it. And I think that's the way, man. So I'm really glad we had this conversation, actually, because I think this is the way we get to a healthier place, by trying to get to a healthier place.

Because I hear you. I wake up sometimes and I'm like, holy shit, this is going down the toilet fast. But the only thing you and I can do, all of us in this room can do, is try to make it a little bit better one step at a time. The way I see it is build it an arc. And maybe there won't be a great flood, but we'll have this big, really cool community space that people can come hang out in. If the if if the end result is the world falls apart and everyone's fighting.

Well, Timcast.com will still be producing a plethora of content from a variety of subjects. We are going to be launching more political shows of like slightly different political persuasions, but still similarly in the libertarian kind of space. But I don't want to just do a bunch of shows about politics. It's like we have a show we talk about politics. We want to do other stuff. We want people to be able to just get it. I want people to say Disney Plus, get what go broke. I don't like this.

I'm going to give my money to Timcast.com instead. 100% man. Now for both, The Daily Wire is light years ahead of us, for sure. They have like nearly a million subs. We're nowhere near that. And they've got multiple commentators. They've got, I think, five movies now. Some shows are coming out.

They announced Chip Chiller, their kids' show. I'm deeply jealous of everything that they're doing, but we're working on ours, and we focus on what we're doing. Daily Wire is going to get their way before us for sure. But I'm just saying this, there are people who, who, who become members because they believe in the mission, but that's not enough. What we need to do is just have the better show. We need to get a show. We need to get to the point where the comedy special, and then people are like, they, they, they go into work one day and they're like, oh, did you watch that new show? have you seen that show, Cast Castle?

I've been watching this hilarious show on TimCast.com. I'm like, no, what is that? It's like, oh, it's like a show. It's comedy. It's funny. That's what we want to get to. So then people are like, eh, Disney Plus is boring. That's the way.

That is 100% the way. And you know what happened to the mainstream of the comedy industry in the UK, right? What happened was they had these great shows that everybody watched 15 years ago mock the week live at the apollo these were shows that everybody watched everybody wanted to be on as a comic and within about 10 15 years they've really ruined them i think from what i hear down the grapevine they're getting they're going to be not renewed and it's happened to other shows as well because and here's how you do it it's very simple right you stop employing people based on merit.

You start employing people based on their various characteristics. And then you make bad stuff. And then you make bad content. And then people come along and go, hey, well, we've got the internet. We've got the technology. We've got the talent, the skills, the comedic experience, whatever. We'll write our own thing.

We'll make our own thing. That's the solution here, man. What happened with Doctor Who? I remember when they brought in the woman to be the first female doctor and then what i had heard was that the show basically became magic school bus so like instead of instead of an episode where they go to i remember the one episode i really remember fondly was when the robots had killed everybody and they had the smiles do you watch dr who i don't there's an episode where they go to a planet and then it was um peter capaldi i think

was the was the doctor at the time the older guy is that his name i don't know but uh the robots all had smiley faces and the robots killed anybody who was sad to stop sadness from spreading and that was like an interesting plot and then what i heard with uh when they when they brought in the woman the plot lines were like going to ind India to talk about partition and like colonialism and it was like okay you know I want to see a dragon fight a time wizard not learn a history lesson right if you want to make magic school of us and so I don't

know exactly what happened with it but I I heard it like it wasn't doing well people didn't want to watch I tell you how bad it got so I was I used to write on the equivalent of like Jimmy Kimmel or whatever it was called the mass report in the UK and i would watch the program only when i was involved in it and i would only tend to watch like five minutes because the rest of it was just this like preaching no jokes just preaching uh there was some good bits there was a few comics that were good but and that's how that so to me

when i see that i think that's great let them destroy this thing that they spent decades building and let us come in and build something better that's that's that's where it's the way man that's what i do i only listen when tim reads my article exactly no i'm just kidding but the youngest generation of i think americans i don't know if the poll was done globally, they said if they could only have one social media platform, they'd have YouTube. Of course. And YouTube, I mean, you are probably a great example of this, has so many different creators. If you are interested in something, any niche thing out there, you can find it. I mean, TikTok has really evolved into this too, but this poll was done, I think, in 2017, and they all pick YouTube.

They watch YouTube more than they watch television. And again, that is specific power to creators to be able to reach an audience that is really interested in what they have. There's something interesting, too, that I want to mention that we talked about earlier today. Because we've heavily focused on treating Timcast like a subscription service. The goal is to make content that's sustainable. And some people have pointed out we could put our episodes on other platforms. Instead of requiring a membership,

you could just buy the episode for a couple bucks or something. And I was like, that's actually a really good idea. So there's still a way for some of our content to be on these big platforms in a way that they're supported. But I will add to that idea too, because people mentioned it like, hey, can you make the Timcast uncensored segments available for one-off purchase?

And it's like, we don't have the tech on the website. We could build that and we can't do it on YouTube because YouTube would ban us. So what we're trying to do with YouTube is effectively be a pipeline where someone on YouTube will see us, they can come to the website and get unfiltered, uncensored content. Bingo.

And this is what I think is happening in the media online space is it's kind of like when the printing press was invented. Before that, the church had complete control over literature, which was the Bible basically, right? Then the printing press comes along, and suddenly you've got the ability to make a newspaper. And a lot of the people who now own a newspaper are not people who had any control over that space before right so you've got essentially the same thing happening now where people like us are creating new platforms now you're going to get your own platform where you've got the entertainment you've got the comedy you've got the movies you've got the political analysis and that and i think a lot of the the companies that are going to get built in the next five years, they're going to be the next big things that actually end up being some of the biggest contributors to the space.

And you're a part of it. Well, what's fascinating is the amount of money that Netflix spends on making a show makes me just laugh. I know. Because you can make good shows really, really cheaply. Right. And so I'm not going to claim that the shows we have on TimCats.com are the greatest shows of all time. No, they're better than that. And everybody should sign up. I think we start.

It's a little rough. And we're trying to just earn our place into doing better and better and better and figuring out what works. And it's relatively cheap. It's expensive, don't get me wrong. But compared to what Amazon and Netflix and Hulu pay for shows, I'm just like, we can sustain a full show with only a few thousand paying members. Whereas Netflix has like, what, a ridiculous, like tens of millions or something like that. And then their shows, they're like, it costs us millions to make and then we canceled it. I'm like, we could make a show.

We could make some show, some podcasts. We could make a podcast that only has 1,000 paying members for the podcast and the podcast can exist forever. Because that 1,000 members, I mean, that's $10,000 a month. Then we pay the podcast hosts and they're good. There you go.

We made the investment. Your show's forever. So if there are people who like the show and there are people who like the job and that's the best the show can do, why cancel it? And then I look at these other networks and they cancel it. And I'm like, no, if the fans sustain the show, the show can be forever. This is what's interesting about the way the model used to be that TV shows on cable needed a certain number of viewers. Otherwise they were canceled. And the fans would be like, no, don't cancel. They say, sorry, 300,000 fans isn't enough because the ad dollars doesn't pay for this show. If those 300,000 fans paid 10 bucks a month for the show, the show would be making a massive profit. And then they'd be able to make the show even better. I think this is why the Daily Wire made the big shift and they're focusing on VOD content because

they were like, you don't need that many people to support you to make a massive platform and be successful. So that's what I saw too. And I said the ad model is less effective than the passion model. So let's just make content that works. I thought of it like this. I was like, you know, we've been treating it like a bakery trying to give away a million free cakes and then telling a business, but we'll put your name on the cake and pay for us instead of just being like, hey, the cake costs five bucks. If you want it, buy it. So we're doing a two-pronged approach for sure. We want to make

free content, Pop Culture Crisis. You can watch it. There's super chats. Timcast.io, it's free. You can watch it. There's super chats. And then we direct you to the premium model stuff where it's like, hey, if you like it, buy it. Yeah, it's awesome. And this is how you change the culture. And that's why I'm going to make you an optimist by the end of this conversation. This is how you change the culture and then things will change.

Well, so I guess my point is I'm not entirely convinced that what's to come is going to be, when I say civil war, I don't know if it's going to be the way people, the way it used to be. A fifth generational civil war is people posting memes online. This could be it, right? The fact that we do shows, we argue our

points, and other people go on TV and lie and try to manipulate, that could be the extent to which war exists internally in the modern era. Because violence actually turns people off. When Black Lives Matter, after George Floyd was killed, Black Lives Matter net support hit like 50 something percent. It was crazy. 50. Like, that's nuts. And then they rioted and it tanked to like 9% net support. They lost all of their PR gains. Violence did not work. And so I'm like, you know what does work is false flags, like framing your enemy, or you just make something more fun, more entertaining, and something people want to be a part of. So it could be that the conflict we're in, this is the peak culmination of it, and it doesn't get to the point where it's people shooting each other or something.

Yeah, even though I'm not that optimistic, but I hear what you're saying. Well, I'm saying maybe. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What I do know is that we're in a conflict, and you can call it whatever you want. No question. Well, and there are huge shifts. I mean, Netflix, it lost like 1.3 million US and Canadian subscribers recently.

People don't like whatever system is out there. And the Daily Wire is at a million. Yeah. Well, this is what I've been thinking a lot about, right, is what has the internet enabled? And I think what it has done is it's – you know how TV is by definition fake? Do you know what I mean? Like people are sitting in a fake place where they don't hang out and it's fake in every way right and what happens with podcasting and things like that is we kind of weaponized authenticity like people watching the show know that i'm saying what i'm saying because that's what i believe and you're saying what you're saying because that's what

you believe and they may dislike what i'm saying or they may dislike what you're saying, but they at least know it's authentic. So the Internet has enabled that authenticity in a way that wasn't possible before. And that's what's making the difference. And that's why people will happily pay a subscription fee for something otherwise they would never pay for. It's like reality TV was just literally not reality. A hundred percent. Right. And this is reality TV because if the cameras were off, we'd still be having this conversation.

I mean, we were having part of this conversation before the cameras turned on. That's my point. And then usually – it's really funny because when we're getting ready, we're doing pre-production for the show. We have conversations that I'm like we probably could have recorded and just used because it was really good. But we never let our guests talk about anything before we do the interview because that's where the interesting stuff always gets said if we're not recording. Do you know what I mean? Well, for us, it's mostly current events. Yeah.

So we just have the news stories lined up and then we're like, we can talk about whatever. Depending on the guest, one thing we try to do is like if the guest has a specialty or a certain thing they really want to hit on, then we'll do news. And then at 9, we'll get a half an hour in of just like – Which reminds me, you have a book. You do. I want to know about this. What's the premise? i talk about growing up in the soviet union i talk about my grandmother being born in the gulag i talk about my grandfather being a slave uh during those times and i'm trying to con we're not trying to i'm contrasting many of the things that i see

in modern society in the west now with the things that my family went through. And I'm saying, like I've been saying to you, and you agree with me, this is not a good path to go down. And most people don't understand that the path we're going down has... All Eastern Europeans I talk to in the West, they all say the same thing. Like, we've seen this before.

So I'll give you one example. Do you guys know where political correctness comes from? Where does it come from? The Soviet Union. So in the Soviet Union, they would say to you, comrade, what you're saying is factually correct, but it's politically incorrect. And what that meant was you were not following the party line. Does that sound unfamiliar? That's exactly what's happening.

Well, that's exactly what's happening. AOC said that, remember? Exactly. Morally correct. Right. And what it meant was you were factually incorrect, but you were morally correct or vice versa. And so political correctness is simply a way of getting people to do what you want. That's what it is.

And so when I see the shutting down of freedom of conversation, the shutting down of freedom of research, the inability of scientists to say their opinion about a medical treatment or whatever, that worries me. not because I'm just like I am in favor of that treatment or against that treatment. I'm just worried because to me that's like an alarm bell. It's an alarm bell. And the same thing, you know, my grandfather, I talk about this in the book, he was a Soviet dissident, you could say. He said in the 1980s that the Soviet Union was wrong to invade Afghanistan. Immediately lost his job, ostracized by his friends, many of whom, Tim, you'll like this, by the way, said, no, no, we agree with you, we just can't do it in public.

Did you see the cartoon where the guy's burning the woman at the stake? Yeah. And he says, by the way, I agree with everything you said. How did your grandfather speak out publicly in the 80s? He didn't speak out publicly. He said in a private conversation, someone reported him, familiar to, right? And then that's what happened to him. Well, I'll tell you a story.

When I was staying in Ukraine, I was staying at my friend's house and it was old communist block housing, right? It's like reappropriated as like apartments. And she said during the Soviet Union, the neighbors next door were feuding with the people who lived here. They were arguing over something nonsense. So the people who lived here called the party and said my neighbor has

disparaged the party the next day their apartment was empty and they were gone right but that's what people used to do that's what people used to do man and this is one you know the last part of the book the my warning to people this is why i'm trying to hit that middle man because you're not going to get the crazies on either side you're not going to get to them you're not going to persuade them they're crazy that's that's the point right but the vast majority of people you can persuade and and that's what you know i'm trying to tell them the story so my grandmother born in a gulag and i don't know if you know this but if once you were released from the gulag um you wouldn't be allowed to live in any major city in the country you had to leave

to live in a small town in the countryside and had to leave to live in a small town in the countryside and the only people that lived in these siberian towns or the miles out of the way of anything were former guards from the gulags and former prisoners wow right next to each other yeah right next to each other in 1953 i think stalin dies and nikita khrushchev comes in and he he denounces everything that had happened he says stalin was wrong the purges were wrong this was not communism blah blah blah blah blah and he reveals many of the crimes that stalin and his people did and you know what happened in that small town where my grandma lived dozens of those former gulag guards shot themselves whoa because they were like holy what was i part of yeah right

and that's all i'm saying to people in the west don't be a useful idiot do not go along with things that you do not believe because you're afraid do not go along with things that you do not believe because you're going to lose your job do not go along with things and don't demonize people you're not a good i don't care if you put hashtag be kind before you said kill yourself but doesn't make you a good person i'm i'm sure some of those guards shot themselves because they were scared of what other people would do to them when they found out what they were doing i don't think they were man because nothing happened to them they they just realized what they'd been a part of they had a wake-up call and this is what i'm saying to people who are going along with whether it's cancel culture demonizing people or attacking people online like

we have a friend in london we had him on the show, James Cavarini. He runs the oldest family-run Italian restaurant in London. He did a fundraiser for Ukrainian orphans with J.K. Rowling. Next day, bunch of one-star reviews on TripAdvisor. The day after, I'm not saying it's connected, but this is what happened. Next day, someone smashes in the windows of his restaurant. Wow. You're not a good person.

You're not standing up for anyone. If that's what you're doing, you're a bad person and you're going along with an ideology that is making you a terrible person. Don't do it. But that's what I'm trying to say to people. I've had so many conversations with these Antifa types. A lot of them just don't care. They're not trying to be good people. They think it's funny.

That's why I'm saying I don't care about them. You're never going to reach those people. But there's people. And they break the law. They're not trying to be good people. They think it's funny. That's why I'm saying I don't care about them. You're never going to reach those people. But there's people... When they break the law, they need to go to prison. They need to serve their time. And that's one of the problems

we have in our society. The law is not uniformly enforced. But this also means that we need to be less naive when it comes to the people who seek to exploit our kindness. Agreed. There was a woman that I knew

who worked for a major publication and she was an activist. We were hanging out at another, you know, prominent activist place. And she told me that she just likes watching the world burn, that she doesn't really care. She was, she said, she's a total nihilist. And she was like, but don't you just want to see it shaken up and burn? And I was like, no, because I was saying like, I understand the nihilism. I i feel i feel a bit nihilistic myself but you know the idea that nothing matters means that you need to make things matter you need to make things good and better and important and her attitude was no it

doesn't matter just burn it and watch it's fun yeah there are people like that and that's why i'm saying you're not going to reach a person like that because by virtue of the psychology trauma experience whatever i understand my point is you're competing against them no you're not going to reach a person like that because by virtue of the psychology, trauma, experience, whatever you want to call it. I understand. My point is you are competing against them. No, you're not because we're competing for the middle. That's what I'm saying. They're going to the middle.

Yeah. And who do you think they're going to choose? A sensible person who says, actually, maybe just because your three-year-old said the other gender. Yeah, but you misunderstand. What they're doing is they're taking a clip of you quoting Stalin and claiming you said it. And then the person in the middle goes, I heard that guy Constantine say he wanted to lock people up who disagreed with him. Like, that was freaky. And then you're like, I didn't say that.

That's a fake clip. And they go, bro, I watched the video. You're lying. They told me you were going to lie to me but the the secret weapon in the culture war this fifth generational world war is the authenticity because like the the news media will shove antifa's message or whatever this message is cult message down people's throat but it's like look at this cardboard box it looks like a house it's a house look how beautiful this house is and people are like i know it's not but they're telling me it is looks cool i'll go along with it i'm not gonna say anything but then they hear us and they're like oh these people are real and then it's in dispute you cannot dispute in

disputation right i mean look at rogan cnn went after him what what how do you think most people believe rogan or do you think they believe cnn cnn's viewers are in the gutter but their viewers believed them sure cnn viewers believed them right. Right. But who does the sensible middle believe? That's what I'm that's what we're talking about. Well this is fascinating too. I have friends who are relatively woke

that like these are people like people I knew from a long time ago in Chicago and then the last time I went on Rogan you look at their profiles and it's BLM

it's the black square it's pride flags and they're heading me up saying like that was awesome you're so great like it's good to hear from you and then I'm just like it's weird to me because like all of the stuff you believe in but you heard me and you understand that like i wonder if that's going to change your mind

but at the very least they listen to rogan they trust rogan they believe that's why i'm optimistic somewhat because do you know how many people i get that i used to gig with on the comedy circuit who hated me who complained about me, who criticized me when I turned down this contract, blah, blah, blah. Do you know how many of them hit me up now going, oh, I love your show? All of them. That's what's happening, man. Not all of them,

but a lot of them, right? So I think that there is a sensible majority to be won over. That's what I believe and that's what I'm trying to do. We're going to go to Super Chats and I want to give a quick shout out to Adrienne Curry because we're big fans and she said reality TV was reality

until 2003, then it died. Reality wasn't good enough for them. Well, I think the reality was they tried reality TV, they had a positive response and then said, hey, it's just cheaper

to fake this stuff. So I explain this to people about YouTube. You'd see these videos on YouTube where like a guy saves a homeless person. And it's like he brings them food and they hug. And it's like, oh, he gets 10 million views. Now you have the story of that woman. She's got a year in jail, a year in prison because she faked.

The homeless man gave me $20, his last 20, so I could eat. And it was a scam and they raised money. What happens is these YouTubers were like, somebody made a real video where they're like, I'm gonna go help homeless people. And then they filmed it and put it up and it was okay. And then someone else said, why bother trying to find a homeless person when I can pay a guy 20 bucks to pretend to be homeless

and get it done in an hour? So they just started faking it because it was faster and easier. But let's read some super chats, everybody. All right. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support

us for everything I explained a moment ago. We've got Tales from the Inverted World. It's a fascinating show to put on on like a Sunday night with the lights turned low and you're getting ready for bed and you just let it play and it's a spooky story and it's fun stuff. And then we got Pop Culture Crisis. We got Cast Castle and more to come. Chicken City.

I'm really excited. We're going to have our rooster, Roberto Jr., on a Times Square billboard. Yeah, he deserves it. He definitely does. He's a superstar. He's Employee of the Month every month. Great father. Employee of the Month, absolutely.

All right, here we go. The Chronicles of Chris says, LOL, the thumbnail looks like Kissin told a stupid joke that tim disliked also did you read the capitalism article i told you about in the hotep episode i did not i did not have to look into it um and remind me of which capitalism article that was raymond g maga stanley jr says tim so today i directly sent handcuffs and heat resistant gloves to aoc's DC headquarters with a nice gift note for each. I wonder if the feds will visit me. Oh, that'll be interesting,

I suppose. AOC advocated for using heat-resistant gloves in protests, so, you know. Grofty says, love you all, buck, buck, buck. In the ad we have with Roberto Jr. on it, it just very quickly says buck, buck, buck, down like the side, like in really small. And then it's two ads, actually. So the one on the right side is the cartoon version of Roberto and Roberto Jr. and the anime fighting. It's really funny. I'm really excited for that. All right.

Were you always a big chicken fan? Sorry to cut you off. Oh, yeah. Chickens are awesome. When I lived in Miami, I had chickens. And then the neighbor dog kept killing them. And I was getting really angry because it was, like, digging in. And I'm like, what the? Like, we had this closed-off area with chickens in it. And I was pissed and I was getting really angry because it was like digging in and I'm like what the like we had this closed off area with chickens in it and they were I was pissed

I was really mad and we confronted the neighbor and then he bought us a new chicken and the dog kept trying to break in so then you know we didn't know it was a dog at first we put up a trap caught the dog and then returned the dog to people I was like look at your dog yeah anyway we got a we got like I just remember my first couple days working here you the chickens were at the front of the house at the time they didn't have their like sweet estate that they have now. And you would be like, and this is Sarah. And this is – like you knew all of their names. And I'm like, I don't – okay.

They all sort of look brown and that one's got – Oh, I know their names. So the originals all have good names. And then some of their kids have names. Like Roberto Jr. is like the best. And there's like Maggie and Bernie and Isaac. But most of the new chickens we haven the best and there's like maggie and bernie and um isaac but um most of the new chickens we haven't named because there's just too many there's so many of them it's like 30 or 40 my family used to have turkeys on a farm and they'd give them names and we had two really

big ones that were very aggressive and would always fight each other and my family having the f-type sense of humor that they do they named named one Adolf and the other one Joseph. Brilliant. All right. Dalen Smythe says, thank you for restoring a bit of my faith in some form. I don't believe in a God as a person, but as a construct, the system, everything. Think multiverse, different types of infinity and dimensions beyond perception. And that's in line with what people refer to as Einsteinian God. The idea that there is a greater power of some sort, but it's not a person. And that's more so where I fall into thinking. I don't know what you, Ian, or you constantly think. Well, we were having this exact conversation before we started, right?

Yeah. And I think Lydia asked me if I believe in God, and I said, like, no. And then I was like, hold on. No, no, no. That's not what I mean. Like, I don't believe in a dude in the sky, but I do believe in something above us all that connects us as human beings for sure. Yeah. Ghost Crusader says, Ian, I missed you yesterday and I love your shirt. That is Stolas. He teaches astronomy and the knowledge of poisonous plants, herbs, and precious stones.

Is this Stolas? It's an owl. Let me see if you guys can see that. Is that in the shot right there? Beautiful. Seems like a rad dude. Somebody sent this to me. Whoever that is, thank you so much. And there's gems on it as well is that why you like it it's the gems that's

the main reason all right friedrich borman says constantine has two good videos with michael svetov on sv tv channel i recommend them for russian speakers and if you can translate them read subtitles for english speakers as well what is that about about? So Michael Svetov is a Russian YouTuber and I think politician. And he interviewed me a couple of times about how I see what's happening in Russia, Ukraine. Wow. Yeah. And he's in Russia. He's not in Russia.

Oh, I was going to say like. Not anymore. No, no, no, no. But he's a cool guy. And we had a couple of great conversations for sure. Yeah. Like, so just really quickly on that. I mean, what's the risk if you were in Russiaussia and you were critical of what what they're doing are they

going to come after you are they going to try and shut you down uh so do you know what happens to protesters in russia gulag no gulag anymore but uh so when when russia first invaded ukraine uh people went out in groups to protest that was illegal they got arrested locked up etc then they went out in what they call single pickets. You go out on your own with a sign saying no war or whatever. Arrested. Then people started going out with no sign, just holding hands up in the air, pretending to have a sign. Arrested.

They get arrested. And the best one was there was a dude whose name is Zamir, which you might know in russian means for peace right uh and he was in an airport standing with the with his name on a plaque on like a little piece of cardboard or whatever his name means for peace and if you stand with a with a thing that says for peace you're in favor of peace that means you're against the war in ukraine arrested but he was like waiting for someone to get yeah he was just that was his name did you name. Did you see there was a woman who was pro-invasion? Yeah. She walks up to the camera to argue in favor, and the cops just grab her in a restaurant.

She's like, no, no, I'm supporting it. We don't care. Russia in this moment is a totalitarian state when it comes to this. There's no question about it. Yeah, Putin's been in power how long? Since 1999. So think about this. When he first came to power, we were worried about the Millennium Bug.

Y2K. Right. What was he? He wasn't KGB. Oh, do you know how he came to power? It's a very interesting story. Do you have a quick version? Yeah, I do have a quick version.

So basically, Boris Yeltsin, who was the president before him, needed someone to replace him that had no power. That had no power. Because anyone who came in who already had power, the first thing they'd do is they'd put Yeltsin in prison, confiscate all his ill-gotten gains, et cetera. So he found this guy that nobody had heard of.

Like Vladimir Putin in Russia before he became president had less profile than anyone in this room has in America right now. Wow. Right? No one knew who he was. And he came along, and Boris Yeltsin made him acting Prime Minister. And if you're the incumbent in Russia, you know what that means, right? You're going to win the election. And then

right before the election, Yeltsin said, actually I'm a bit ill. Why doesn't this nice guy take over and see what we can do? And that's what he then did with Medvedev as well. Remember that? So Putin serves a couple of terms. That's when he's supposed to leave. He puts Medved in place medvedev comes in changes all the law so putin can serve more longer terms and then they do the switcheroo back man all right let's see

philip reed says i don't know about tim and the crew but i'm getting sick and tired of waking up to major historical events yeah but you know what that was reality it was like bro you were in a golden age and that's why you weren't in historical events like now you are the major historical no no life was always you know in this country and everywhere else it was always a historical moment something big was happening but things got so soft and so protected in the united states that we had a period where nothing was happening and we were like, this is great. No. The natural state of the world is historical.

Yeah. When you wake up, are you looking to be told what's going on in the world or are you looking to tell the world what's going on? I don't know. Pick one. Or do both. All right. Let's see. Jeff House says, your intent is wrong, Tim.

He was open-handed going for the mic near his face with a non-bladed cat ears, less lethal weapon. NBC News YouTube channel 134 zoomed in clip. Love the show too much to let you get sued for libel over small details. Well, we can't be sued for libel over reading a news article that said he went for his neck. And it's also opinion statement yeah i also don't think he has said what his intent was right like right we're not sure but i don't think that matters if a guy goes up on stage holding cat ears if that's what they're called and reaches around for someone's neck or whatever you're allowed to interpret that that being said if it

turns out i'm wrong outright okay but this is not not a Covington Catholic situation where we got a small snippet. I watched the video of the guy walk up on stage and go around and reach around, and I saw the thing in his hands. And then I read the reports, and I'm like, I don't know what he was trying to— so I understand maybe why it was second-degree attempted assault, and that does explain it, so I will accept that for sure. I still think we've got to be careful with this stuff, right? I don't know if I want to argue.

I just don't think I really want this scenario playing out all the time. This is wild that he just like strolled on the stage and was like, I'm going to carry a weapon and that's okay. And if his intent really was to try and do a slow roll, you know, neck shot or something, but masquerade as I'm just going for the microphone. That's all I'm doing.

You know what I mean? So don't go up on stage with a, with a weapon of any kind and then reach around at the guy. I don't want to apologize for what we, what we saw happen considering how dangerous things are getting, but you know, fair point, fair point, Jeff house. Appreciate it. All right. Michael, uh, Tim Cisco says, Tim, have you, says, Tim, you have to get Colleen Noir or Mark Smith from the Four Boxes Diner on the show.

I mean, we'd love to get Colleen Noir on the show whenever he can. That'd be fantastic. C Recipe says, I had almost 300,000 subs and 60 million views on YouTube, and they deleted my channel, Just Informed TalkTalk two weeks before 2020 election in YouTube purge. I started over with a cooking show, Crecipes. Any help for us? Well, follow Crecipes, I suppose. I know a couple other channels that

YouTube deleted without cause. It's insane. Oh, Crecipes? Is it the letter C? Yeah, the letter C. All one word? Yeah, Crecipes. What do they send you do they send you like an email being like well the people the people i saw no their accounts just gone and they were like no one talked to them alan smith says one thing to remember about uh with the possibility

of an alien invasion is the cross-contamination of viruses yes but why wouldn't a virus of an alien build a jump species like dogs get sick we don't human as far as i know correct me if i'm wrong do humans get parvo they don't right i don't hey there's a lab in wuhan that can help yeah oh yeah you know my my theory is that kovat's here to protect us from the next alien invasion it's going to kill all the aliens because they don't have a resistance to it but we've already built up one i just give them kovat blankets i don't think kovat is going to give me i don't think the aliens will have the appropriate receptors to take on human viruses or vice versa. We'll find out.

I just think even if an alien life form comes down and they seem peaceful, they are so fundamentally different from us. Do we really think it would be a sustainable pairing forever? What if they eat their young and they're like, but we just eat our own. Well, you have a spare human child. Could I just have it? It didn't go well for the Neanderthals. It just doesn't make sense. All right. Tyler Price says the Aztecs and them believed the spanish were the return of

quesicotal one of their gods that was prophesied to come back then were slaughtered that's it yes and the aztecs also did ritualistic human sacrifice too so it's like just a couple of bad groups it's kind of why you also want to shake out of like fantasy mode of any kind whether it's like whatever you believe guy in the sky floating down like fantasy mode of any kind, whether it's like whatever you believe, guy in the sky floating. Like if aliens do come, don't mistake it for like God, because that's like we got to take it very seriously. It could be an invading force. But also don't be flipped out by when CNN tells you there's an invading force because there may not be one. Mike S. says, Tim, could you please ask your EU guest what is a woman?

Not all a female. It's not hard. It's fairly simple, actually. All right. Araftis of Stett says, my dog Roxy just died today, and I just wanted everyone to know she was the best little dog in the world, and I'll miss her.

Sorry to hear, man. Sorry to hear. Shout out to Roxy. Badpenny says, I hate when people talk about aliens and compare them to what happened to the Indians, but they are alien. They could just like studying new life forms. Spin the UFO. Unrelated.

Would love to see Jimmy from Bright Insight on sometime. I would love to see Jimmy. We talk about Atlantis. Spinning that Atlantis. What is YouTube doing here? All right. Michael says, Howdy, Tim and crew.

Constine doesn't seem to understand how divided the United States really is. How will we find any compromise with the far-left extremists when they're not even willing to engage in civil discourse? Well, we've sort of covered it. First of all, I think I'm well aware of how divided. That was kind of my point, right? But that's why I never – when we were having that conversation, I never used the word compromise because i don't think it's about compromising with the woke extremists i think it's about hitting that sensible middle that i was talking about right you're never going to compromise with the extremists on either side because it's not possible they're extremists yeah i think i

think the solution is get people away from these big woke corporations and let the woke corporations suffer under their wokeness. Get woke, go broke. Do your thing. Look at Jeremy's Razors. Man, Harry's was like, we're canceling, and they're like, we're going to make our own razor company. And then they did. And now they're rivaling and competing with these companies. It's absolutely brilliant.

Hugh Jennings says, David Dorn's killer was convicted. That's right. Glad to see it. Some some accountability not across the board but enough so you know or i should say enough there at least all right dano says ian please bring some actual meaningful conversation we are tired of hearing you correct everyone's grammar okay let's talk about poly uh poly let's talk about micro fragmentation coral micro, coral micro-fragmentation. Right now they say the coral reefs are dying off. If you shatter coral into hundreds, thousands of pieces, call it micro-fragmentation of coral, it all grows together and you can reform the coral reefs fast.

You get this polycultural micro-fragmentation because coral reefs are lots of different animal species living together. Coral is an animal. So you need a lot of different cultures of coral when we regrow the coral reefs. That's what I was about to say. You want to give people hope. That's why I'm here. Science is cool.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. All right. John, Jen, that's he says 4000 fired replacements in place before he takes office. Do your research. Oh, OK. Brian Page says, please buy billboards along i-95 in rhode island we need

more people listening to tim cast in this tiny democrat wasteland oh okay island you know the thing about billboards is they're like extremely regionally you know targeting and it's like is rhode island really gonna you know is that really a market we should be buying ads it yes i mean why because we got to plant the seeds whose shade we know we may never sit beneath. And it's the summer right now. So if you're in New England, you go to Rhode Island to go to the beach. So you're getting a lot of regional traffic. Rhode Island is like three miles wide.

It's like more than that, but I'm exaggerating. It's microscopic. So like a nice $3,000 billboard for a month all over the country, Just tons of $3,000 billboards and like semi-rural. No, those would cost like $300. That would be epic. Let's do like $10,300 billboards. Suburban and rural billboards are really cheap. That might be what it's at next.

There was a billboard bought out here, and I think it was 300 bucks. Like West Virginia billboard was like 300 bucks. I think it was for like a month. That'd be cool. Yeah. So Times Square square i'll let you guys in on some secrets ridiculously cheap really ridiculously cheap you can get uh like ten dollars per per play so they're digital billboards so there are some agencies where you can get you know a 25 foot screen and it's 10 bucks per run with a 10 run minimum, minimum. So it's like a hundred bucks. And then you go stand in front of it, your ad plays, you get a picture of it.

And there you go. Now, if you want like a month is when you're going to start getting into the tens of thousands of dollars. So some of those bigger billboards can be, you know, like the bigger ones that are up high 30 grand for a month month. The most expensive one, I think, is the tower or something. It's $625,000 per week. Massive, super huge. What is it? 100, 200 feet or something like that? It's so iconic.

Right. And so the thing is, someone pointed out that there's a Resident Evil TikTok for their ad in Times Square. And you can see the edge of the Tim Kess one in it. That's why you buy Times Square. Dang, those 3D billboards. Have you guys been seeing those? Those are cool, right?

I don't know what they look like in person. I still haven't seen one in person. We saw one when we were in New York. Oh, I don't... It was right there. Yeah, actually, you're right. Man, those things are stunning. Yeah, it's super cool.

It wraps around and then it was like a robot. Yeah, it looks like it's coming out at you. It's crazy. Yeah, it's super cool. Those are fun. All right.

Mr. Dad Folk says, no unemployment. These bloodsuckers have sapped enough from the American people. They need to find a job ASAP if they want to keep a million-dollar roof over their heads. Woof. Spicy. I know the desire. I keep thinking about you actually brought up Shays' Rebellion last night. Thank you.

I did. Because in that instance, it was John hancock that pardoned all those farmers um and i think it's we're in the age of maybe another round of pardons against whoever you think your enemies might be right now kind of we got to move forward together we don't gotta but i'd like to all right milo hoffman says you don't replace a cancer tumor when you remove it fire them all some if something needs done, the states can do it. Yeah. You know, people are saying things like, like, oh no, well, who's going to Trump? Trump's going to replace these people with. And I'm like, I don't know. I kind of feel like less government is a good thing. You know, I don't inherently think less, like it's less government across the board. Let's see. We'll

figure it out. Storm Viking says Chris Hayes on MSNBC was just, just was lying through his whole segment saying the Capitol officer was killed by rioters and saying Donald Trump didn't condemn the writing. Throw some more Jan 6 BS in. Wow. How many New York's lied about cops dying on January 6? Crazy. Apparently, the New York Times, they read a story about the cop having a stroke or whatever. The narrative was that he was hitting that with a fire extinguisher.

Then you find out later, it's just like it wasn't true. He had like a stroke the next day and they're like, oh, that, whoop. Well, then for a while they were saying like the stress of the day's events triggered these things that wouldn't have happened without them. I mean. Yeah. The Federal Reserve, that was how I got my first weed card. I was like tension, stress. They're like, what's

stressing you out? Federal Reserve is printing money out of you. You got it, buddy. At San Francisco. James Nelson says, once he declares, start naming appointees he would put in place and have them start lining up staff so day one they can swap out the corrupt lifers, then move agencies to cities across America. All right. I dig it. Didn't they move the Department of the Interior to Colorado and then they're like, we're going

to move back to D.C., though. This isn't working. It's crazy. All right. Katoth Swiss says, this guy speaks as if the left is rational and open to conversation. I suppose ignorance is bliss. Where is the U.K. in regards to the groomer gangs? Well, it's an issue we've covered on our show extensively.

We just had a report come out which confirmed what happened. But, yeah, this is the problem, right? Do you know what they are, the grooming gangs? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially with when Tommy Robinson was covering it. Yeah, a lot of people. He got arrested.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what happened was basically for decades,, I think, were basically finding vulnerable, predominantly white and Sikh girls who were not adult usually and raping them for years. There were a few that were actually killed during this process. And what compounded that problem is the police, the local councils, the authorities, they didn't do anything about it because of, quote, unquote, sensitivities about race. Wow. Right. We interviewed a woman, a brave woman called Dr. Ella Hill, who was one of the victims of these. So the videos on our channel about it. Yeah.

Well, it's a terrible thing and it happened i think it's still happening to some extent uh but again it takes time and it's awful that it happened uh but we are even on that issue slowly making a bit of progress because now it's being talked about but uh i remember tommy robinson he was what was he there for he was there when they were sentencing or something like that? In one of these cases, yeah. They arrested him for it, right? They arrested him for breaking the law around reporting on criminal cases, yeah. And you can't – that's insane to me.

What law did they say he broke? I don't remember the details right now. I think it's something to do with the way that you cover cases which haven't been finalized. But so, you know, it's been a while. I could be totally wrong. My understanding was that the trial was done and it was like sentencing or something like that. And they were like, we don't care.

You can't do this. And apparently he asked for permission. He was like, is it okay if I come and film? Like, yeah. And then he walks over and they're like, okay, you're under arrest. He was like, what? It was a long time ago.

I don't remember the exact details. I don't remember it quite that way. But I'm pretty sure he asked. I'm pretty sure he was like, is it okay if I film? They were like, yeah. He's like, all right. And then they came late. Like maybe a supervisor was like, no, no, no.

Arrest him. I don't know, man. The stuff I've seen with Tommy Robinson, the government really was screwing around, to put it simply. But to me, like the idea that you couldn't report on a trial is crazy. You know, like as an American, like standing outside of a court and like reporting. I mean, you weren't crazy on a trial is crazy you know like as an american like standing outside of a court and like reporting i mean you want you want crazy i'll give you an example we had a comedian called joe lyser who was investigated by the police for a joke he did because in the audience maybe you want crazy we got crazy man in the uk we got crazy but this is why we declared

independence you know that right well done you uh right but We don't have a First Amendment. Yeah, I know. It's a big problem. Yeah, man. I remember following a lot of these stories with, what is it, Speaker's Corner? What is it called? Yeah, Speaker's Corner. People were getting like arrested or carted away and stuff.

Well, we've got police officers calling people up and saying, you posted this thing on Twitter. We need to check your thinking. Wow. Right. Check your thinking. What a terrible brain. Yeah, a, yeah. A guy called Harry Miller. All right. Scouty says,

Tim and team, you're my favorite podcast, but please have on some actual atheists to explain their positions. There's been a lot of straw manning, albeit incidental.

I can email some suggestions. Thanks for all you do. I would love to get, I mean, we've had atheists on the show. We've literally, the quotes I've made about the atheists we've had, I'm sorry, the quotes I've made about the atheists we've had – I'm sorry.

The quotes I've said about atheists have been the ones who are on the show and said things. But none of these people I think were like atheists, theologians, or religious scholars. So that would be interesting. Like a Gnostic. I want a Gnostic on the show. Wuzzo says, in your 4 p.m segment you said swamp monsters my wife and i immediately jumped into the chorus of swamp monsters to the tune of rock lobster swamp monster we should write that song

uh okay we'll grab uh we'll grab some more super chits all right bob gets as why does tim keep preaching generational warfare as if that theory is any relation to reality? It's been debunked in Iraq, Afghanistan in the 2020 insurrection. Seriously, get an actual shooter on. What are you talking about? Generational warfare describes things that are literally happening. Get a shooter on. Why would you do that?

What does that mean? I don't know. Like an actual combat vet or something? Generational warfare refers to advancements and tactics in warfare, and they're real. So just because fifth-generational warfare is happening doesn't mean third-generational warfare doesn't exist anymore. It still does. I think the military actually claimed there used to be three theaters of war, land, sea, and air, and then there were four, which was land, sea, air, and cyber. Now there's five.

Well, cyber and space were one. What? It was land, sea, air. Well, were four which was land sea air and cyber now there's five well cyber cyber and space were one what it was land sea air well actually airspace land sea air and space and cyber and then they now spirituality is a fifth theater of war i saw a four-star general talking about it let's see if i can pull that up for a later show huh yeah the spiritual theater this is actual military doctrine as far as i was told. Mitch says, Tim, would love for TimCast to have apps for Roku, etc. Is that a plan? Yes. Okay. So we are like a tiny fraction of the size of the Daily Wire.

But we have to get more members and get bigger. We've got like one dev, and it's expensive. So we've been slowly rolling out technological advancements to the site to improve things. It's a particularly rudimentary system that we've built. We're doing well. We're hiring more people.

We just like, we're literally hired I think like two or three more people with more people on the way. It is difficult. You know, I think we're approaching like 35 employees. And so we need managerial power, but the managerial power costs a lot of money.

And so it's like, we can only grow as fast as we can grow. And I'll put it this way. If we had the Roku apps, we'd probably get way more members to make the Roku app. We need to grow to a point where we can hire a couple of devs to make, to build it out. And so we're, we're, we're like effective. We're bursting at the seams. We can only go as fast as humans can go and budget constraints allow. And as you expand, you grow in every direction. So it's like we get a dev, we get Roku. All of a sudden now we need content to fill it.

So we, you know, we just start expanding. Long story short, we want Roku. We want Chromecast. We want Apple. We want LG TV, Samsung TV. All those apps take a long time to do. And we need a mobile app. We were working on the mobile app

that fell through because we were a relatively small operation. And we are, I imagine it like we have a 10 ton boulder with a chain and we are pulling that boulder uphill. We can only go so fast, but the more people who line up behind it and start pushing on that boulder, the faster we move up that mountain. Hopefully in five years, we're going to be bigger than Disney+. And people are going to be like, I canceled Disney+. It's just TimCast and Daily Wire for me. That's what we're hoping for. So I will say this.

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on what I was talking about by the general, the four-star general talking about the theaters of war and the advancement that's called the future of war. This is the video. The future of war

and how it affects you. It's by Smarter Every Day. Destin, brilliant man. And I found it. You can search YouTube for the future of war, Smarter Every Day. It's a 25-minute, 28-minute documentary that he did with his general. It's fantastic.

See you later. Very cool. Thanks, you guys, so much for tuning in this evening. You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com. It's Sarah Patchlitz, as well as SarahPatchlitz.me. We will see all of you on any one of our shows. Check out YouTube.com slash CastCastle, though it is becoming a much bigger show and we'll be moving to YouTube.

I want to clarify something for everybody. What we want to do, so hold on, I go on Chicken City, right? Chickencitylive.com, and we have these funny cartoons. The latest one we did was we asked an AI to write a story and it wrote a story about Ian being a chicken. It gets like 60,000 views and I'm like, man, that's huge. We have Castcastle with funny jokes. It gets like 60,000 views. And I'm like, man, that's huge. We have cast Castle with funny jokes.

Here's what we want to do. On the YouTube channel, we want to put up like a minute gag video or like a two minute video short or something special from the space. And then the website, we're going to have the full show. So that's the plan.

You can also check out chickencitylife.com and you can check out timcast.com for tales from the inverted world. It's been a blast hanging out with all of you this week. We'll be back live on Monday. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you all then.