Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #588 - Lawyers Asks Jury To DESTROY Alex Jones Company, Jones Ordered To Pay 45M w/Tucker Max

Episode Date: August 6, 2022

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The jury in the Alex Jones defamation monetary damages hearing has awarded the families $45 million. Now, my understanding, we've got a couple articles, there's punitive damages that they're capped at two times the damages plus $750,000, which means Alex Jones with compensatory damages is on the hook for about $13 million. I don't know how much that's going to impact him. He says that's devastating. But the crazy thing about the story is that the lawyer asked the jury to destroy InfoWars. That's what he said. He said, destroy his platform. And I'm paraphrasing, by the way, destroy his platform and make sure he cannot rebuild it. Considering the rare circumstance where a default ruling was presented, Jones never

had a jury trial the right to defend himself. A lot of people are saying this is, the whole thing was just an attempt to destroy Infowars because, well, Alex Jones backed Trump, uses his platform to call out things like Epstein, and well, that's what they're saying it's about. I think it's fair to point out that Alex Jones was wrong about what he said about the Sandy Hook families and even his own employees brought it up. But this seems to be, this is, it's just absolutely, it's a crazy story. So we'll talk about that. And then, man, we got to talk about this other story too, because it's just, it's, it's going crazy in the media. I talked about it at 4 PM. It's a video out of Vegas of an Asian store clerk at a smoke shop and some guy jumps the counter

and then the clerk just knifes him and it looks like the dude gets killed. So we're going to talk about all of that. Before we get started, my friends,

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So don't forget to smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Joining us tonight to talk about this news and more is Tucker Max. What's up? Do you want to introduce yourself for those who may not know who you are? Let's see. I've written four New York Times bestsellers. Hope they serve beer and hell is the famous one. But right now I'm pretty boring, man. I live on a ranch outside of Austin with four kids and a bunch of animals. And it man i live on a ranch outside of austin with four kids and a bunch of animals and it's not boring on a day-to-day basis but there's not like that funny stories anymore it's not like oh my sheep did something so funny today no they didn't they're just sheep you people were chatting that you were like the og guy of the blogosphere like writing

the stuff online and stuff true back in the day yep right on well should be thanks for coming we got a lot to talk about so so I'm glad you're here. We've got Hannah Clare Brimelow, of course. Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimelow. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. Right on. Ian Crossland over here. Hello, everyone.

Good to see you. Good to meet you. Let's keep it rolling. We've got Chris Poole on the mic. Hey, what's up, everyone? I'm Chris. All right, we're going to jump into that first story. These intros used to go so much quicker these days.

All right, first story going to jump into that first story. These intros, they should go so much quicker these days. All right. First story of the New York Post. Alex Jones ordered to pay $45.2 million in punitive damages to Sandy Hook parents. Let's get some important context here real quick, though. This is from AboveTheLaw.com. Texas damages cap looms over Alex Jones, Sandy Hook defamation case. They basically lay it out. The family wants 150 million.

They've awarded 45. But this is where it's interesting. They say here, others have pointed out the Texas law caps punitive damages at twice the compensatory damage award plus 750,000. Moreover, an exemplary damage award requires a unanimous jury, and only 10 of the 12 jurors agreed on the original $4.1 million compensatory award. And if the jury's original award was for non-economic damages, i.e. to compensate for the pain and suffering, they may only get the $750,000 in this phase of the trial, which is perhaps

why plaintiff's counsel tried to anchor the jury at $150 million in the first place. So it looks like all in all, Alex Jones will end up being on the hook for about $13 million. They say Texas law prohibits telling the jury about the cap. So it may well return a massive verdict, which will then be reduced to comply with the statute, sending a signal about Jones's moral culpability, but allowing him to walk away with a slap on the wrist in light of the company's annual revenues in the neighborhood of 65 million. Interesting thing here is this is what let me read here. Let me read you what the lawyer said. Quote, I asked that with your verdict, you not only take Alex Jones's platform that he talks about away. I ask that you make sure that he can't rebuild the platform. That's what matters.

Lawyer Wesley Ball said that is punishment. That is deterrence. No, that's execution. Punishment is like, we're going to make you pay a lot of money and you're going to learn to do this again. What he's talking about is completely destroying Alex Jones and everybody who works for him. So that's it. There it is. This is what everybody assumed this was all about. Alex Jones was, uh, was, uh, it was a default judgment. He wasn't allowed to defend himself. They claim and maybe correct that he did not comply with discovery. Alex Jones claims he did. It's a crazy story, man. What freaks me out is that they just nuked his company. I mean, I think in my opinion, Jones probably has a ton of cash

because he's been doing this for a long time. And I'd be willing to bet he hid a lot of it. Why wouldn't he have? But it looks like they're just trying to destroy as much of this company as possible, especially with 2024 coming up and Trump probably running again. Yeah, I feel like when you're as

financially successful as Alex Jones is, you know well in advance to set up systems that will protect your money. I mean, it's not like he's just sticking. I mean, Alex Jones is, you know well in advance to set up systems that will protect your money. I mean, it's not like he's just sticking. I mean, maybe he is, but he's probably not sticking the cash in the walls of his house. It's hidden under tax shelters or in trusts. I mean, not that I could fault him or anyone else for doing that. Why would you leave that much cash vulnerable? This is why people set up LLCs for like everything. You ever notice this for people who are renting? You may notice you're paying rent to like your address. Like if you live at one, two, three fake street,

you write a rent check to one, two, three fake street LLC, and then you mail it in because they want to limit the liability. You slip and fall in that house, you sue them. They only got that one house in that company. But the people who own that house, they probably own 50 houses all under their own LLCs. Yep. Or basic things. You put your money in a trust or a series of protected trusts or blind trusts, and then they're not – even if you get this damage, you can't seize those trusts. How would that work? Can you explain how a trust would work? Look, just because I went to law school, I don't –

It doesn't mean I know anything. He's trying to distance himself from his past. All right. So basically what a trust is, is it's like, it's almost imagined like a corporation, but it doesn't have a job to do other than be a vehicle for money. So like I have a trust in my, we have a max family trust and like most of my assets are in the max family trust. And my wife and I are the executors of the trust and our children are their beneficiaries right so if i were to like get drunk and drive like an idiot and do something stupid and hurt somebody and they sue me and win they can't seize the trust right they can only

seize my personal assets you know i have a few cars whatever we have some nonsense but there's not a whole lot you can take um and it's a way of protecting assets from basically from seizure is the main thing. Is there a risk? I mean, yeah, there's a few, but not really. Like what's a risk? A risk is my wife and I could get divorced and the way we have our trust set up is not like super well situated for that that possibility and then um i mean if i live a long time there's certain things i can't do with the assets in that trust because they're in a trust like i can't just um i can't unilaterally

decide i'm gonna sell my property because my wife is an executor as well so we both have to decide what if it was a single member trust? Yeah, well, then it depends on the trust, right? So you can't just say, okay, my stuff's in a trust and so no one can sue me. There's certain legal structures you have to go through. There's so many different trusts, blind trust, irrevocable trust, spendthrift trust. It just depends on what you're doing. And certain ones are protected from certain legal liabilities. Some are not. Some are protected from almost all. It really just depends.

It seems crazy, though. I mean, if that's the case, then why wouldn't Alex Jones just be like, here's $300 million and put it in trust? Alex seems kind of crazy to me, so maybe he has or hasn't.

But most people I know who have serious money, like you get into the eight figures and above, then you start protecting your assets and things like that yeah yeah isn't there some wasn't there i don't he's been in a couple lawsuits related to sandy hook and if i'm remembering correctly at one point they were arguing that he financially benefited off of the suffering that he put like the family and parents

through by promoting conspiracy theory or whatever the claim was so part of it is like i remember and i hate to quote this because i don't have something in front of me to reference but he um he had they had wanted him to say basically how much money he had made during that time period because it gained him he was well known but it was one of the things that really uh gave him a certain amount of notoriety and that turned into financial benefit and so therefore the argument would be and I believe is that the family is actually entitled to this profit because he made it unfairly off of them right right right so he in some ways he wants to hide I'm not saying he does but like he would want to hide his money if that were true I'm not and I don't want to imply you're a financial expert but but if you

had a trust like this could it could there be like a bank account with just cash in it? You could pull money out whenever you wanted. You can set up trust like that. Totally. Yeah. It's not that hard. Cause I, you know, first when I heard that they were getting, going after him for $4 million, I was like, Alex Jones is worth a lot.

He can easily cover. Well, I know he has at least two kids, right? Yeah. Like I know he has at least two kids right yeah yeah like uh i know he has kids so like if he has any sense at all or anyone around him has sense he has trust set up probably individually for the kids and then family trusts and that's just one way to shelter money there's a lot of other ways like you know you like panama well yeah panama papers is great no right i don't think he's operating at that level. Like those tended to be serious, serious wealth.

But there's plenty of places you can buy property. Dude, just the state of Texas. It's really hard to seize bankruptcy, either seize assets in a bankruptcy or from a legal judgment. It's very, there's a lot of weird rules in Texas. It's really hard. This is why I see this and they're

like you know the lawyer says make sure he can't rebuild his company i'm like there's literally nothing you can that's just posturing i'm pretty sure i think you know some people have claimed i saw people tweeting that uh they're filming a documentary about it or whatever so everything's really hammed up but i'm like even if alex jones every last penny was taken from him some random guy will walk up on the street with a cell phone and film Alex Jones ranting and it'll get millions of views. You can't take that away from somebody. Social capital. Invaluable.

And just the ability that he has, whatever it may be. I mean, the dude yells and people watch. He's already an established name. I mean, people know him. Maybe if you had cut him off years and years and years ago, he wouldn't have the kind of influence that he has today. But that's just really not the case. He's an established brand with or without the company.

Yeah. And I also don't know if you could ever have cut him off. It's just like the kind of guy he is. He's a bull charging through. He was, my understanding from people who know him, he was like that in high school. No, really, he used to walk around the halls like yelling about injustice of some whatever was the thing at the time like yeah he's just one of those dudes yeah they clearly don't like him so i guess the the conspiracy theory as it were i i don't even know if you

can call it a theory or a conspiracy or whatever but the idea is that all of this is just to find the vulnerability in Infowars to knock the whole thing down. People have left the company because of stuff like this. But I think, to be fair, I mean, the dude defamed private individuals, and this is what happens. I remember when he was talking about that. I'm like, dude, what are you like? There's things that you can make the false flag claim on. I don't think this is it. This is not a hill to plant your flag.

I guess. You know what? I guess the argument they're making is that it was working for him. It was getting the clicks and people were eating it up. There were people at the company telling him to stop.

It wasn't worth it. Yeah. Now, apparently, there's like two more defamation suits that are coming up. Yeah. From the from Sandy Hook family. Yeah. I don't think it's going to there's like two more defamation suits that are coming up yeah from this from sandy hook families yep yeah i don't think it's gonna stop i mean look i i understand why the families would be pissed you know oh is that some fall over yeah i totally

just kicked the trash throwing stuff oh yeah it's very aggressive beyond pissed like i don't you know with kyle written out so i said this i, look, man, I'm going to give anybody the same benefit of the doubt initially. I don't care if you're Walter Cronkite or if you're Alex Jones or whatever. And then when you say something, I'll fact check it. And that's all that matters. I'm not here to play these like, who do I like, who do I don't like games. But yeah, I don't know, man. It's very clear that when you look at i'll be careful how i

say this what people are saying about the court case they don't care whether alex jones is telling the truth whether he's lying they just hate him they want him gone i think he's like a mythical figure at this point to a lot of people like he is this symbol of all the horrible dark corners of the internet that they're afraid of and supposed to stay away from. And, you know, that may not be exactly who Alex is, but they see it as sort of this righteous victory over him because he is a representation of a larger problem with society. We got a cult. Let me pull up this next story in this saga. Daily Mail says Alex Jones is worth $270 million. Forensic accountant tells court true worth of InfoWars founder.

I'm wondering how much of this is just bluster nonsense. And they're saying this so that they can rip the, you know, just gut the company. Because if you come out and you say he makes $800,000 a day, which was like one day,

it was like two days or something like that. And then you claim he's worth $270 million. You justify a massive hit settlement right of course yeah right or judgment yeah and then what if it turns out he actually just doesn't have anything i mean because i wouldn't be surprised i guess he's divorced you know he's an ex-wife or something like that well and like why would he keep 270 million dollars sitting his bank account like

well i mean when someone a forensic accountant says something is worth something, what they mean is the sale price, like the best market price. Like, I mean, I just built a company that's worth, you know, I don't know. Actually, I know exactly what it's worth. It's worth a lot, not $270 million. But like, let's say the company is worth, I don't know, $60 million, right? That means that's the sale price. We're not making $60 million million a year even top line right like it's 60 million is the cost of the asset not what the value it produces i'd i'd love to see the

financials i'd be shocked if he someone said he's doing 60 million a year now he's doing 180 pre ban from youtube and everything right pre-deplatforming yeah so 60 would make sense that's that's that's 60 down they the the guy apparently says that jones he says records show that jones withdrew 62 million dollars for himself in 2021 when default judgments were issued in lawsuits against him they said he was also funneling 11 000 a day into one of his shell companies after he was alleged to have defamed parents and victims of Sandy Hook. I don't know, man. They say apparently this guy is saying that he rakes in about $70 million a year from InfoWars.

The question is, is that revenue or profit? It's got to be top line. There's no way that's profit. They're going for the bigger number. Right, of course. Yeah, so if 70 is the top line, and it depends on how he structures his company, right? And most of that money is on supplements, right? That's the presumption is that the vast majority of that is supplement sales.

Well, so the question is how – if he has some deal with an external company, he may only be taking 20%, 30% of that. And so if it's – I'm going to totally make up numbers. If it's 50 million from supplement sales, his cut may only be 20%. They brought this up in the trial. They said that Jones testified his profit margin was 20% to 40%. Makes sense. And then they said in a text message, someone said a 70% profit. And he's like, well, that's not correct.

Well, on the media company, though, maybe. You run a media company. You can run a media company. Once you get some scale, you can run that pretty profitably. YouTube's a crazy business, man. If you spend money one time on a camera and then start working, it can be 95%, 100% profit. Exactly. Exactly.

Right. So it depends. He could be 70% on his subscription model, right? Yeah. But then the supplements, it all depends. I doubt he's running a supplement company. He's probably got like partners. In fact, I could probably figure out who his partners are.

I'm pretty sure he has like three companies. Right. I could be wrong. And like one of them does supplements. Right. And then he contracts them. Yeah, to other people who do the fulfillment and everything, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.

Like he doesn't. Yeah. He said that the stuff he gets is the same stuff as like gnc and whole foods exactly so so he's probably making it's almost like an affiliate deal right so he's probably making 20 on that so like you look at a blended average i could totally see it 25 30 on the whole company 70 on media you know when the news came out i got a whole bunch of messages and people tweeting at me being like alex jones 200 to 800 000 per day people people just sent me a message being like 160 million dollars just like the dude is making an insane amount of money but here's what i here's what i think if it's true my question is why wouldn't he be spending it on crazier things he has a nice house and also

i know that it's expensive yeah but i mean if you're making that much money if he really took 62 million for himself i mean there's a certain point there's this two there's like you can buy anything you know i mean he could buy stuff or he can he we've already said he has two children he can use it to create generational wealth i mean theoretically if he managed it correctly they could really support generations to come i'm just saying if it's true that he made that much money where's the shenanigans from alex jones you know like we we put a 96 foot billboard of our rooster roberto jr up right in time square and uh i'm i'm they banned james lindsey so i'm like do i gotta put up a james lindsey billboard that's my thing now so we're gonna look into it because i'll totally do it and we don't make nearly that much money They banned James Lindsay, so I'm like, do I got to put up a James Lindsay billboard? I think so. That's my thing now. I think so.

So we're going to look into it because I'll totally do it. And we don't make nearly that much money. We have enough to do these funny things. Yeah, but that's not who Alex is. It's not who anybody is. That's the problem. Just you, Tim. There are some people.

Yeah, just me, I guess. There are some. Where's Elon to just like, I'm going to buy every billboard in Times Square and put a picture of in times square you want the real answer on why i'll tell you this is gonna sound super weird because like when i was when i first started writing and i was like the og on the internet and i was making a little bit of money i was just making no money and like a lot to me was like oh dude i made 10 grand this month like this is amazing like this is more than i could ever spend that's why i'm single you know and so like i did like like dumb ass shit with my money too. Here's what happens though, man.

As you, like I'm 46 now. I was 26 when I started writing. As you kind of, as you accrue wealth and power and relationships, the more time you spend doing dumb ass shit that draws attention to yourself, unless that's your business model, the weaker it gets. Real power wants to be invisible, right? And real wealth wants to be unseen. You know, like I have a decent ranch in Dripping Springs, like 50 acres, you know, it's fine, right? One of my good friends has a 350 acre ranch on Barton Creek. It was so expensive. It's so nice. And if you saw the gate

to it, you would think like it was some ranch shackle, like meth lab, like around here, like you would never, he doesn't want anyone to know that he has this insane ranch with like – God, I mean, he doesn't want – I've found – it's happened to me too. I've gotten more experience – or more conservative and less like, oh, let's do cool, ridiculous stuff just because I've gotten older and richer. But it's – I get that for sure. But the question is like Alex Jones is the culture warrior. Yeah, but that's, see, but what he cares about.

Right. You know Alex pretty well. He, I think what, he's one of those dudes, I think he actually believes he's doing the right thing and he actually cares about truth. And he,

the dude's been ringing the Epstein bell for 15 years. I agree, which is, which is why I'm like, if he actually had this money, wouldn't he be doing substantially more to push this stuff? See, this is what I don't

get. And look, it really does come down to my personal worldview versus what other people think or see, right? It's just that simple. Some people make $62 million, and then they're like, better put that in my trust for my kids or something like that. Me, I'm like, we got Michael Malice,

Luke Ridkowski up on billboards in Times Square because they've been on this show. I respect them. But I also think it's important to have their presence be expanded. And I got to tell you, one of the things I'm most excited for was that we got Luke Ridkowski.

Do you know Luke of Weird Change? I'm most excited about getting him up in Times Square on multiple billboards because he's the guy who only a couple of years ago, like walks up to Donald Rumsfeld and starts questioning him. One of the few people who's gotten in the face of these CEOs and these big corporations. And I was like, it's going to be the funniest thing in the world when his face is looking down on Times Square. And then this guy who actually had the balls to go and question all these people is going to be, you know, of significant influence. That's what I want to see. It doesn't, it, you know, it benefits us because it's a Tim cast ad, right? Of course.

But I'm looking at this, like, if we make enough money, how can we have a bigger impact on just making things better? Dude, that's awesome. And I'm with you. I'm just going to, and I'm not arguing this is right. I'm just telling you, because I've seen my, I know a lot of people who are pretty, uh, well-known. I've seen, I've come up with them because I've seen my, I know a lot of people who are pretty, uh, well known. I've seen, I've come up with them and I've seen the change in them when people have something to lose, right? Like they, when someone's young and just starting off or, or just got momentum and you don't have anything to lose, man, it's easy to do risky shit. As you, as you have more, have more people dependent on you, as you accrue more, most people become more risk averse.

And quite frankly, like when you start having a lot of money and you're able to turn, let's call it a youthful idealism into reality, you start being an actual threat to people in power. Oh, yeah. And then when that lens turns on you, and I've had it turned on me, not quite the way Alex did, but it's a lot, dude. It's a lot. And so, like, again, not saying he should

or shouldn't be a certain way. I'm just saying there's a reason that very few people retain their idealism through wealth and power. Yeah. You know, I'm not trying to single out Alex on this one.

There's a ton of wealthy people who speak up and then seemingly don't do all that much. But, you know, there are a lot of people you'd think should do more, but do a lot. I'm not going to name anybody, but there are powerful individuals who fund stuff. And then I just, you know, but my question is, we've got cultural problems in this country. We've got cultural stagnation, cultural decay. We've got a culture war. And that's because there is no forward-facing, no brazen, no adventurous, no heroic, no challenge, no figurative threat to the, you know, no one ruffling the feathers up or anything like that. I think we need to get more people to figuratively throw a pie. That's what I keep saying to people.

I'm like, dude, what did you do? You made, how much money did you make this year? And then you put it, you bought what? Like you did nothing with it. So I don't know, man. I'm, that's just me, I guess. I would be happy living in a van down by the river and everybody knows that's true. And that's why I'm like, okay, let's put up these billboards and just keep doing this, this, this crazy stuff. Because I want to see things get better. I want to see a positive impact. I want to see positive cultural change. I don't see a benefit or a point to just having $60 million in a trust sitting somewhere.

I totally agree with you. I'm on board. Let me tell you two things. One, I don't mean this in a negative way. I've seen it happen to me. Just wait until you have a wife and kids and you have like real money and that'll happen soon enough it might take 10 years or whatever but like it'll happen what is what is real money i mean like whatever you consider real money to be you're you're like

you have that plus a zero so do you mean like there comes a point where you're like, I thought I was rich, but now, wow. Yeah. But – No, no. Your views are going – I don't mean this like, oh, you're going to learn about the real world. No, no, no. You might still be super idealistic and doing all kinds of cool stuff. I hope you are.

That's awesome. Just understand like it's very easy from a certain position to say, well, that person in that position should be doing that. They have all kinds of forces working on them that are almost impossible to imagine until you get there. I'm telling you as someone who started with nothing and went through all these phases. I just kind of feel like it's – at every step of the way – I'll tell you this story. I remember watching a video about climate change activists or something. They went to like an oil executive's house.

Yeah. And then they were protesting and then he comes out and he sits down with them and he was like, say it all. And then they started yelling at him and he just sat and listened. And then they were like,

what do you have to say for yourself? And he's like, I completely agree with everything you said. Like, we're trying to figure this out and then he he rebutted with hundreds and hundred plus million people 200 million people driving cars every day and they're telling us we have to do this and so we're trying to figure out how do we be better stewards of the earth when you have 200 million people who are making demands and if you stop producing the oil then the government comes in and says why did stop? People are screaming at us and demanding you do it. So you can't just, the point was this dude at the highest level was like

supposedly the villain. And he's like, but I agree with you. The problem is the machine is controlling you. So my thing is like, then you got to just one day wake up and be like, I don't care for the machine. So, you know, look, my, I'm saying that's easy to easy to say. Yeah, but $60 million? Come on, somebody can draw it. How did you get me defending the machine? I hate them. Like, I am the anti-machine. No, here's the thing.

I fundamentally agree with your premises. The one thing I would, I want to go back to what you said before for a second, where you were like, people need to do this and do that. You know why I think so many people are so, what does Malice call it, blackpilled right now? Well, he says people are white. No, he's white-pilled, but so many other people are black. Because I think the old American story broke, right? And whenever it broke and however it broke, it's broken.

It's shattered. No one believes it anymore. And no one has replaced that story right and so that most people are followers you know not good or bad they just are and right now the dominant narrative in America is a very toxic destructive death cult like whatever so the CRT or woke ism or that whole conglomeration of narratives are horribly anti-human and depressing and toxic and there has been no narrative to replace it and it's not we're not going back to old school american exceptionalism that's not going to work that story right or wrong it's broken and no one believes it anymore so what what's the next story? What's going to replace that? I don't have the answer.

Transhumanism. The metaverse, people becoming cyborgs. We've already got our phones. Look what we're doing now with zero money. We're displaying to 100 million people. I think your point is, simply put, I think most people are looking at the culture right now and thinking, I have nothing

in common with these people, so I won't do anything for them. What's the point? And so, you know, I describe it as like our government, for instance, the Titanic hit the iceberg. They saw it happen. Everyone else is clueless. They're abandoning ship. But they're stealing the silverware.

They're stealing everything they can as they did. They got their vests loaded up with silverware and they're in the lifeboat lowering it down. Just a routine test. Just going to go talk. We'll be right back. And you're like, where are you going with all that really expensive stuff in that boat? That's what I see happening in this country. I agree.

But I think that's a good explanation for why we don't see more people. I think a simple explanation for Alex Jones is probably that that's top line. They're claiming he has more money than he really does. Yes. Because Alex, I've seen his tank. I've seen the stuff he does when he drives that armored vehicle around. He does spend a lot of money on this stuff. But I'm just wondering, you know, for how many culture warriors there are. I shouldn't say I'm wondering. I get exactly what you're saying. I think most people have a large self-interest and then a smaller altruistic interest. But with no – a lot of people will put resources behind a great movement. There's no great movement right now. I know a ton of people with like stupid, stupid money, private plane, private island money, not like me, like way more than me. And they're all sitting on it. Because even like people who like want, you know why? They don't know what to do with it.

And I don't just mean they don't know how to invest it or they don't know how to make money. Because there's plenty that just care about making money, right? But the ones who want to do the right thing, who would love to back the next thing or help, they don't know what to do. I know you are correct because I have seen very wealthy people talk about these issues and they are clueless as to what's causing it. And I used to be a fundraiser. I remember when you would get people who would come in and say, I want to do something, I'm not sure.

And they are very susceptible to whoever messages them i mean that's what a major gift opera officer for a non-profit or a school does they court people who need direction how to donate their money a really good example i think is look at all of the twitter alternatives that exist like okay you got gab you've got getter you've got truth social you've got parlor this is a really good example of i think what, what the issue is, is that people are like, hey, Twitter's banning conservatives and people who are challenging the establishment, so let's make a new Twitter. And the actual reality is the technology and the platform is not the problem.

The problem is culture, the cultural dominance, and the issue that the people who run these companies like Twitter, they are ideologically driven. A hundred percent. So when you have a group of people who are well off, not particularly ideologically driven, ideologically, except they support free speech, they don't know how to solve the problem. They say, let's make a new Twitter. Congratulations. Nobody uses it.

There's already a place people are fighting with each other and arguing. What you need is like an Elon Musk to buy the Twitter. That's a clever move. But what I said to some of these people when I'm sitting in these meetings, I'm like, you guys, you really don't get it. It's a cultural problem. You need someone like Michael Malice. You need a masterful troll to create a cultural shift through a large cultural shock, which

is why, you know, I mentioned my view on things is maybe where I'm getting things wrong is people absolutely are spending money, but they're not addressing the culture problems. No, they're not. They're spending money on technology. They're spending money on new companies or new buildings or things like that. Or stuff. But thinking this is a positive move to change things. Meanwhile, the culture keeps churning in the woke cult direction.

Yes. Yeah. things meanwhile the culture keeps churning in the woke cult direction yes yeah about two years ago two and a half years ago i really kind of started to figure this out and i'll tell you what i'm doing now uh and like and i don't talk about it a whole lot publicly just because i'm kind of at the beginning stages but i've you know i moved to a like bought a land moved to a ranch right but not just like i'm gonna go be a prepper or a homesteader. Like we're definitely homesteading. But I bought in a place that a bunch of other people I knew were there.

And then a bunch of other people came. We started our own school. And now like almost everything I do now is I do one of two things. Either I think very, very locally. Like where am I buying my stuff, right? Like where am I getting water, power, food, etc.? Like who am I buying from, right? Are they in my community? How am I supporting my community? Who am I bringing into my community? How are we connecting? How are we interfacing with each other not to like have some

you know some island or some cult somewhere i mean we live in texas we're a town in texas there's a but like i want to think as much as possible locally i don't i'm i think that if there's going to be a thread that is a true counterculture thread. It's going to be around, think about how disconnected and detached everyone is from each other. The opposite of that is not just interpersonal, it's as much as possible local. I mean, obviously I can't get my oysters locally. I live in, you know, the desert, but like as much as I can, I want to know my neighbors and interact with them and buy from them and sell to them and create our own economy. We have our own school. We literally just started a school.

We got 80 families and 100-something kids in it. Wow, that's great. I mean, because public schools are a disaster. Yeah. Who wants to send their kids to – I don't even want to get you blocked on YouTube, but to public schools now, right? And so that idea has just started with a lot of people. I think that's going to be one of the main ideas, but not the only one. You know, I don't know what it's, if I knew I'd be shouting it from the roof. I want to jump to this next story because I think it hits at the heart of a lot of what we're talking about.

This story has been going viral. I covered it a bit in 4 p.m. Employee wards off three robbers with a knife. Stabs one multiple times at Las Vegas Smoke Shop. Of course, we got to censor these images because these are brutal images. But I'll tell you the gist of the story. Guy's working at a smoke shop in Vegas. Dudes come in.

One guy immediately robs him. The next guy jumps the counter and the clerk just says, okay, with a knife in his hand and just starts going at the dude who jumped the counter. Now, a lot of people are saying that it's, was it a legal use of force because he gets this guy in the neck a couple of times and the guy says, I'm dead, I'm dead. The reason I think this is, you know, in the previous segment, we're talking about, you know, why are people keeping their money, hoarding it, not really investing in their communities and stuff like that. And I think there's a really good example.

This guy was attacked. And what people are worried about is that he will go to prison for defending himself. And so it's things like this. When people say, I'm out. If we're sitting here looking at the story story thinking that you could be minding your own business, someone can jump the counter wearing a ski mask, and you are legally required to back up and wait for them to draw on you before you have a chance to actually defend yourself,

that's the reality of this country in many states. At that point, a lot of people are just like, don't care anymore. I'm going to watch out for myself because you will get boot stomped by the machine if you try and defend yourself. In New York, California, totally. That's why all the Californians, that's why Austin is so expensive now. It's because of this. Like some stuff like this.

Yeah, it's a huge part of it. I mean, if you're in Florida. Well, you saw the dude in New York, Jose Alba, right? Like that guy. The guy with the shotgun? Yeah. Like the old dude who, like the, some, it was in New York, the bodega guy. The old guy with the shotgun? Yeah. Like the old dude who, like, it was in New York, the bodega guy. Remember the guy who cut the, he killed the, the guy was beating him up.

Like beating his ass. And he stabbed him, killed him. Right. I mean, it couldn't have been a more clear-cut self-defense. The girlfriend stabbed the store clerk. Yeah, she tried to or something. No, she did. She got him in the arm.

Oh, she did. I'm pretty sure she got him in the arm. Okay, all right. I could be wrong. So it was the most clear-cut self-defense I've ever seen. This Jose Alba? Yeah, she tried to or something. No, she did. She got him in the arm. Oh, she did. I'm pretty sure she got him in the arm. Okay, all right. I could be wrong. So it was the most clear-cut self-defense I've ever seen. This Jose Alba? Yeah, that guy. He's leaving and going to the Dominican Republic. I would too if I was there.

Two hours ago from New York Post, yeah. Yeah. They dropped the murder charge and he's out. The only reason the prosecutor dropped the charge is because everyone in the country was in a total uproar. And the mayor, Eric Adams, was like, all right, just let the dude go. Yeah. Like, it's exactly what you're right, just let the dude go. Yeah.

Like, it's exactly what you're talking about. Kyle Rittenhouse. Exactly. The fact that there were people in this country that had no idea what happened and wanted him to go to prison.

The fact that he spent two months, or it wasn't two months, it was almost three months, in jail. And then they were like, oh, yeah, I mean, it was self-defense. It's remarkable

that anybody who watched that was just unquestionably, it was self-defense. It's remarkable that anybody who watched that was just unquestionably it was self-defense. Of course it was. Just watch the video. But most people didn't watch the video because that one

is the wrong narrative. But they believe Jesse Smollett. Well, the same people that believe Jesse Smollett are the ones who, when they watched the Rittenhouse trial,

were like, wait a minute, he didn't shoot a bunch of black people? No, like, do you remember? No idea. Do you remember how many, were like, wait a minute, he didn't shoot a bunch of black people? No, like, do you remember? They have no idea. Do you remember how many people were like, wait a minute, he shot three white guys

who had, one of them had a gun? And he's on the ground and the guy runs up with the gun? Right. And the guy- They were shocked. The guy's accused of saying that he regrets not killing him.

They had no idea. And then you saw some of these people came out and they're like, I was wrong about that. A minority did admit it. But most people didn't. They kept going with, well, this is wrong. This is like injustice. Our system is so biased. It's an example

of systemic racism that, you know, they never tried to fact check themselves at all. They never really looked at the case again because they're not really interested in it. They're interested in their own narrative. I'm sure all of these really wealthy media people are watching shows like this, and they're hearing me talk about stuff, and they're laughing. Like, what an idiot.

The fact that I would say I would rather invest in the company than hoard the money and hide it somewhere. They're like, when it all comes crashing down, and it is, because they all see it coming, Taiwan, China, Russia, whatever it is I'm gonna be left holding an empty bag and they've they've been stocking their money up in Panama and El Salvador and crypto and wherever Else their money might not be worth much Yeah, but if you see this go really things go really sideways you're in a way better spot than they are Well think about you're on land

You have guns you have friends you have food Yeah But they do too. These people have been buying up in Idaho and Wyoming and building compounds and fortresses. I'm going to tell you a quick story. So you're right. That definitely exists. But you know what's going to happen.

If things go really sideways, not like a little COVID-y, but like sideways, sideways. Civil war. Or short of. It can be like short of Civil War, but sideways. Bro, how many people you think that work on those compounds in Idaho are going to give their lives for rich out-of-staters? Yeah, it's not going to happen. Okay. And let's go a step further. Let's say you're a super billionaire who has a huge estate outside of Sun Valley.

That head of security, that guy who, you know, he was former SF and he's got his family there and he hired the whole crew. And there's like four dudes that all report to him. He's the billionaire now. He's the boss now. That's right. That's what happened with the Roman Empire. I mean, the head of the praetorian guard would just kill the emperor and become the new emperor.

That happened multiple times. This is the thing people need to understand, too. Your point is absolutely spot on. You own land? So, I mean, rhetorically, obviously, because you talked about it. But I'm saying you think you own land in a rhetorical sense. What does that mean? You're running it from the government.

You've got a piece of paper that says, on this date, so-and-so owns the land. What do you think is going to happen when it hits the fan? You're going to walk onto your land, and there's going to be a dude with a gun. He's going to be like, it's my land. And you're going to be like, but I have the paper. And he's going to be like, and I have the gun. It's going to be like the land grab when people are going west. They're just going to sprint.

There's a reason why a lot of smart people are focusing a lot of time on community. Right? When I first got into this, a lot of people were like, oh, defense, defense, have guns. And I'm like, okay, guns are cool. I'm into defense, but I'm one dude. If a gang of dudes come, I need neighbors. I need friends.

I need other people with guns. This is like an old-timey Western thing, but if you're not home and your family's home, you need the rest of your community to be like, we're going to head over there. They seem to be in trouble yeah yes one dude with a gun is useless against the gang but a neighborhood gonna win gonna make it yeah this is what people need to understand too the left likes to talk about how to a they're like you you know what did joe biden say you got it you need nukes to go up against the government like the afghanis yeah like theiet Cong. They had a hard time.

But the thing is, it's really simply put, a drone can't occupy a street corner. Nope. So if you really want to seize assets, resources, and control a city, a civilization, you need boots on the ground instructing the people what to do. Well, my favorite about that is,

there was someone, I can't remember, it was one of like Max Boot or one of those lunatics who was like blah blah what are your stupid ar-15s gonna do against drones and and uh you know like predator drones and all that stuff and uh i think it was clay martin who's a total badass he just responded to max and he said hey the people operating those drones they got addresses and families okay you know like it's same thing man like people don't realize like do you do you remember the space force thing i got to bring it up again which what that the uniforms the space force uniforms were were like jungle camo or whatever desert camo so when they announced space force they showed a photo of someone wearing

a uniform and it was like what is it called chris what that The green camo they wear? They have different names for it, but it's like ACUs were the ones I wore. But is that a reference to the color? It's just the design. Yeah, yeah. So everybody was laughing.

They're like, it's the Space Force, but they're like for the jungle? The green camo, yeah. So then they started, people started making photos of uniforms that looked like outer space.

Yeah. And there was like, immediately someone said, where do you think the Space Force is fighting? And they were like, immediately someone said, where do you think the space force is fighting? And they were like, they're on the ground running satellites.

Secondly, if they were in space, they would be in spaceships, not floating around. And even if they were, why would you want them to be invisible? You're floating in space.

You want someone to notice. So you can set up an ambush in space, obviously. Right. But my point is, all of these people who are making fun of the idea they are extremely ignorant they have no idea what how reality works they it's funny because we we started doing sales for emergency food supplies there have been how many disastrous floods where people get locked out of resources there's one just happened kentucky exactly. And when you get your supply lines shut down

and you spent 70 bucks on like a food bucket so you know you've got freeze-dried food to eat, that's not about the apocalypse. No. But they're all laughing. Like, ah. And now they're like, food shortage is coming. Yeah.

So my point is just, man, you've got a group of people in this country, people who watch shows like this, who are interested and looking for nuanced context. And then you've got people who are just like, tell me what to do and how to do it

and who to make fun of. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they all live in douche cubes in cities and they're all going to be in trouble if there's any, if all the policies that they love,

like, let's have green energy. Cool. Where's that coming from? Natural gas. Yeah. Well, do you see that there was a wind turbine that was spraying oil? I do. And then everyone went, huh?

Yeah. There's a ton of oil. It's got to spin. It's got to lubricate. Yeah, exactly. I mean, fair point. It's not burning the oil. Right.

But they still require a lot of oil. Do you know how much un-green energy it takes to manufacture one of those? It's insane, man. Those things have to run for like 18 years to break even, I think. And don't they have a lifespan of like 20 or 25 years, a lot of them? It's insane. But people don't realize that

it's like, dude, please read about energy. Okay? Like fossil fuel energy. We're talking about crude petroleum. We're talking about natural gas. It is ready to be converted. Green energy is you have to convert all these materials into a system that can then convert other energy. So it's like a second layer system. I'm a fan of solar for one reason. Not that it's more energy efficient or more green, but that it can give you your own circuit. So all the energy that goes into the production of the panels, you can then have an isolated circuit.

You can be off the grid. That's great. But you need sun during a storm. You don't got it. So now you need batteries. You need a supply chain with solar. I'll just simply put, it's scary when you realize the majority of people,

or I should say at least Democrat voters, but probably you know, probably a lot of conservative voters too. They don't know what they're voting for. They don't understand layer two of an issue. The left is just like Greta Thunberg. We got to ban fossil fuels now. It's like, okay, 60 million people dead in three days. At least. Yeah.

And I think there's estimates of like a billion people dead in a year if you cut off fossil fuels. No, the carrying capacity of the Earth is somewhere between half a billion to a billion without fossil fuels. Yeah. That's it. Like that's just a – so, okay. Put a room full of people. One out of eight get to live without fossil fuels. That's the reality.

I mean like that – it's crazy to me. It's not really even debatable. You look at the math on that, especially if you want a quick transition. If you're talking about a 50-year transition, okay, maybe it's a little different. But you're talking about a quick transition? No. I'm thinking about like tapping the vacuum for energy, like the vacuum fluctuations and stuff. There's so much technology, fusion for instance.

But I don't think that the power structure wants people to have unlimited energy. They want them attached to a grid so that they can monitor it and make sure no one person has too much power. What does that mean? Let me pull up this next story here from Blaze. This is crazy. CEO says two-thirds of ammunition deliveries have gone missing with UPS. That's a lot of ammo. So where is it now?

All right. Maybe this is just one company. Patrick Collins, CEO of thegunfood.com, says he's lost thousands of dollars worth of ammo because customers' orders don't always seem to make it to their doors, especially when delivering with UPS. He says about 18,000 rounds of ammo

shipped through UPS. Only a third were actually delivered. So where is it going? Okay. Now, hold on. One company. First off, 18,000 rounds of ammo is not very much. No.

So my first thought when I see this story is particularly sensational. Yes. Also kind of alarming if it is part of something greater. And I think that's kind of what they're hinting at, that things are starting to break down. So you've got now, they're going to be hiring 87,000 IRS agents and they're giving them hollow points. Right. They bought hollow points for the IRS. And then Gates introduced the legislation that was like, no, we're not going to give them ammunition.

I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. So so it's just the reason I bring this story up is not to insinuate that one company seeing their ammo go missing is indicative of a collapse but just like it's another grain of sand in in this heap with irs agents being armed with taiwan that maybe the fourth turning is upon us you're familiar with uh stress out what do you what do you think and do you think this plays anything into it i mean there's a lot of people i'm not sure what i think about cycles uh i'm generational cycles i i mean like i know enough about physics to know all energy moves and waves and cycles so it's almost certainly the uh the it seemed it

they seem to make a lot of sense right um i don't know uh and then fourth turning is just one of many different historical cycle type things yeah i don't think you have to know anything about cycles just look around and be like a lot of shit is hitting a lot of fans right now. What do you think happens to a city like New York if the supply chain just was halted? All right, well, here's... Okay, so not this past winter, but two winters ago,

I can tell you what happens to a city like Austin when the supply chain breaks. Oh, man. Because I was there for the winter apocalypse. Do you guys remember this? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I grew up driving in... I spent seven years in Chicago.

I know how to drive in snow. And no one in Texas did because it's all Texans and Californians. My first year in Dallas, I remember having to drive everyone around because they couldn't do it.

They had no idea. And so it snowed a lot. And so for seven days, basically, everyone was locked in. But really for four days, everything was truly down. By the end of the, by the beginning of the fourth day one of uh the people who worked i was still at my company

who worked for my company she was she lived like eight blocks from the office was walking into the office right um because we were all remote so like we could keep working she she had people trying to rob her but like these are clearly not professionals. It was like a dude who was hungry, right? I mean, my company was 75 people full-time in Austin at that point. And they were all like millennials who were like, LOL, I have Cheetos in my freezer. I don't know what to, that's all I have.

I had to drive. I had just gotten a cow slaughtered and so I literally drove like 200 pounds of meat in to the office and then a bunch of them walked in to get it. Wow.

Dude, shit went nuts there. There was five and six hour lines to get like a bag of pasta. Yeah. Like it was bad, man. And this is just, this wasn't even like,

the grid didn't go, grid kind of went down a little bit but like it was bad. and this is just this wasn't even like the grid didn't go grid kind of went down a little bit but like it was bad this is what i'm talking about when when i tell people like when i do a pitch for for emergency food i'm talking about this yes i'm like sometimes it rains yes but but you get all these these leftists that are like mocking the idea and then when it actually happens yeah this is why i think this is why i think they're gonna eat each other like it it's going to be and that's like bro but i think part of their do you see the new york times already saying the time for cannibalism or whatever they're writing about it listen go ahead have fun you're in new york go eat your neighbor i i'm i don't care no seriously i don't if they want to eat your neighbor no if you want to belong to a death cult then you get to

reap the consequences i don't i don't belong to that i've prepared i'm around a bunch of great people who are all ready to i don't need to worry about like that's like zombies like you know but but i mean literally if you have people who live in new york city they've got nope they've prepared for nothing there's clearly signs indicating something is hitting us right now the food supply we've been told over and over again since the start of the year the president said right the press conference and they're still mocking the idea that they would do any kind of preparation and so i'm just like it's a zombie horde they don't think for themselves they don't care to solve problems they are just standing there in the crowd mindless and then quite literally yo if the supply chain collapses you got 2.5 million people on manhattan

island alone let alone central brooklyn how do you get out of central brooklyn you don't no but no no but i mean like stay there you're gonna have to try to get out there's not gonna be food and people are gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna be nightmarish yeah no i mean like you like it's it'll get it'll get uh abandoned prison camp bad. Yep. Like, maybe five days? I wouldn't be surprised if you see slavery.

Oh, way past that. Yeah. I mean, roving gangs, warlords. Like, it doesn't take long to get there in a true grid-down situation. What do they say? You're three meals away from a revolution? Something like that? No, 12 missed meals?

Well, it's like a saying. It's like three... I think it's 96 hours and 12 missed meals. Is that what it is? A saying? I think. And then people just start losing it. Yep. And then also, where do you get your water from? See, out here there's a river. And we also have a creek as well.

So we can go out. You're great. You're good to go. And then I've got emergency filters and I've got other stuff. But we also have a creek as well. We can go out. You're great. You're good to go. Then I've got emergency filters and I've got other stuff. But we also have a well. We got a well. If everything went south and the grid shut down or whatever, I'd be like, just another old day, I guess. We've got tons of backup batteries. We've got a massive solar backup system at the new facility we're building.

But people in these cities, when COVID happened, they're locked in their their apartments they have no food and they're losing their minds yeah it's crazy like a stress test well we just saw it in shanghai yeah like they went on a hard hard lockdown and no one knows how many people died there you know the chinese are real sketchy about that but all those videos coming out people were like you see the pictures of people taking the refrigerator? The guy takes the refrigerator, pushes it onto his balcony. It's open and empty because they had no food.

People were losing it. I remember when it was Sandy, Hurricane Sandy in New York. That was bad. I was in New York and it was crazy to see how high the floodwaters got. Windows were smashed out from the surge. The coolest thing I saw was when the downed bus stops, skateboarders were grinding on them.

So they were having a blast. But then you go to the bodegas, there's no electricity. Nothing. So all the perishables have expired within a couple days. And I went in. There were two guys outside holding like two by fours. A big line. And they were like one person at a time.

I walked in in cash only obviously and the guy was just like he's like don't touch the perishables like the milk everything's bad you don't eat it but anything that's not perishable

like the the high fructose corn juice and like the canned stuff is good and so I went in and I was like I got like a coke and I was like

it's warm you know but it's all you get yo and the other thing too is people don't realize how quickly it's gonna go to like to the other thing too is people don't realize how quickly it's going to go to like to the 1800s no more cold drinks no more ice no more ice cream no more

flushing the toilet nope you're going you're going back in time real quick yeah and then the question becomes how long does it last oh for them that that so i put it this way new york gets supply chain disruption like the whole whole system just fails for some reason. You get a couple days where it's guys, two by fours guarding the bodegas and people going in. Three days after that, the food's gone. And now it's people fighting in the streets with the last can of beans.

Three days after that, people have already started trying to leave. They're going to be eating fish out of the Hudson and they're going to be barfing and sick the entire time. But I think the other thing that happens, and this we saw this during COVID, is those who can, like wealthy people who can afford to move more quickly,

will move into upstate New York, Connecticut, parts of New Jersey, and then continue to put pressure on those systems that don't normally have that many people there. So those grocery stores will start to feel the effect. You know what you're missing is after, the rich people might go fast, but then what happens, you know, you hit days five to ten when all the stores are empty.

If nothing's coming in, what happens is people start moving out and not the rich people. The people walking. Everyone has to go. Walking out. Yep. And not a few of them. But Manhattan is an island. Tens or hundreds of thousands.

So you've got a few bridges and tunnels. Right. That's it. Bottlenecking the whole thing. I know. Did you see how they put, it's so weird talking about this because they just put those massive metal doors

on the tunnels, on the Lincoln Tunnel. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way, dude. They called them flood tunnels, but they're not flood tunnels. They're getting ready to lock everybody in, dude.

I think so. I know it sounds crazy to even talk about this. This sounds lunacy, but they just, like I saw this like a month ago wasn't it yeah lincoln tunnel has one and i think the midtown tunnel i think all of them maybe what do i search for flood doors yeah flood doors lincoln tunnel but what about how do they stop the bridges you know i oh yeah look at this i'm not sure there you go this is a couple years ago actually actually. No, one of them, like, I know just one of them. 44,600-pound floodgates installed in NYC tunnels to protect from super storms. Maybe it's because of Sandy.

They were like, okay. It's not unthinkable. Yeah, it's not. It does both. Stops the water and the people. And the people, yeah. You can go north out of Manhattan. I mean, there's still rivers to the west, but you can walk north.

There's no... It just goes up into the north. You can and you can walk but like if things are in that much chaos how far are you really gonna get on foot oh man a leak in the lincoln tunnel in 2020 people were freaking out so it could be why but uh i do think it's funny that they put up these big barriers i know dude bottlenecks it's gonna be like you know you, you see the Batman movie where the cops block all the bridges and like nobody leaves the city. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know.

You know, look, when we were talking about World War I the other day, the crazy thing is people don't realize how quickly things fall apart. Yeah, yeah. And it was just like, was it gradually then suddenly? Yeah. grass was it was it gradually then suddenly yeah i think that people underestimate how quickly things can fall apart because they're told to sort of live for now and live for impulsively i think this is a lot of like left-leaning culture that you wouldn't think ahead like when you say like people make fun of people who are acquiring food because they're like oh what do you think it's going to be a doomsday it's going to be a purge all at once like

no not necessarily but also you can't think past the two days in front of you because the impulsivity culture and the self-indulgence culture tells you that it's not worth dealing with well that and then also i mean like in 2019 i made fun of preppers and i didn't really i had a couple guns but they're like hunting like i wasn't you've converted oh to 100 of course and well how could you not after the last two and a half years right but i think it's also that like we've grown up in arguably the richest most abundant safest period in world history in the safest country in world so it's like who alive has had to deal with anything truly catastrophic like we don't i don't know

you know? And so, like, the idea that this could happen is just not, it's not in the living memory of anybody. Right. Yeah, we've had golden ages of sorts. At least from our perspective, we've been, the security's been... Fat and happy.

Fat and happy. I know we've had problems. I know there's been a recession. I know there's been 9-11, things like that. Come on, man. We've been fat as a culture and as a country. We've been as fat and happy i know we've had problems i know there's been a recession i know there's been 9-11 things like that come on man we've been fat as a culture and as a country we've been as fat and happy as it gets and and growing fatter by the day i mean now they're now you know you know where body positivity comes from you yeah of course it's because more too many people because everyone's

fat so they're all now agreeing with each other that we're we're okay to do it yeah exactly okay go ahead they've got that works for you they got that store that morbid morbid torrid oh yeah torrid no i call it morbid on purpose i was gonna say did they really call it morbid torrid i call it morbid close enough i'm gonna buy it call it that and be like still shop there no i was i was thinking of opening a store and calling it morbid and And it would just be like huge clothes. Chonkers? Chonkers. But that's a meme, so that's okay, right? But that's America.

That's America. So I guess my next question is like how many days until people are eating each other in New York? Like the tunnels are closed and they're banging on the door and they can't get out? There's no food? There is. I can't remember. I read a book about survival that had like a like a chart i think it's i think it's under it's way faster than i thought it's

under two weeks i can't remember the three days no not three days they started each other that's that's a pretty big taboo to cross that would have to be i think that's in week two but not by the end of week i don't That's why I don't, I feel like week two, I mean, you can go a month without food, right? But I guess

most people can't. When your muscles start breaking down, you're just. And there's going to be so much panic. People are going to feel the desperation sooner

than if they were intentionally. You know what would happen though? I bet the first person to get eaten, it's not going to be like some dude just goes, I'm sorry, I'm hungry and like hit somebody. It's going to be like some dude just goes I'm sorry I'm hungry and like hit somebody

it's going to be like somebody falls down and gets trampled and then they're like well let's eat yeah let's eat it's like Lord of the Rings meat's not back on the menu boys dude it's nightmarish to think about this stuff that's why we got like 50 chickens no that's why I have two cows

and a flock of sheep 24 sheep I was reading about bugs and what's the protein called chitin is that what it's why I have two cows and a flock of sheep, 24 sheep and chickens. I was reading about bugs. And what's the protein called? Chitin? Is that what it's called? I don't know. I'm not going to eat the bugs, Tim. That's their carapace.

It's made of that stuff. Yeah. And I was reading you can't digest it. It's like chitin or whatever. Yeah. You can't digest it. And so that's why you let the chickens eat it. Yes.

And then you eat the chickens. Or the eggs. You eat the eggs. And then one time comes, you eat the chicken. Yeah. And then it's amazing. Here's the best part. Chickens, they make more of it. Yes. And then you eat the chickens. Or the eggs. You eat the eggs. And then one time comes, you eat the chicken. Yeah. And then it's amazing. Here's the best part. Chickens, they make more of themselves.

Yes. It's crazy. They replicate. They replicate. And then they just eat the grass. And you just got to make sure nothing else eats them. And then you get to eat them. Yep.

And they taste good. Yep. You were talking about how our society doesn't have a story right now. Yeah. I'm kind of obsessive about talking about new technology like graphing industry and iron fertilization of the oceans, regrowing the coral reefs and things like that. Sometimes it's really about how you introduce the ideas, because like if we're in the moment of all like black pilling each other, like what we did. It's not tech. I promise you that's not the story.

Tech might be amazing and it might help us in a million ways. But the general feeling from most people is that that God has failed. Then the other idea is monotheism and God and the unification of the consciousness. But like, I almost feel like I'm selling out when I do that. Yeah. You know, there's something to be said for that, man. Like, I've been an atheist my whole life. And then I did psychedelic medicine, like as a therapy. And I was like, oh, shit, I'm totally wrong of course god exists it's just not in the way that religious dogma talks about it's more of a all things what

that might be but that that story that might be a little airy fairy for at least right now i think generally revivals generally happen after people have suffered a lot we're going into the suffering phase not fourth turning phase yeah 2028 should be fun though six more years i'll be in my 40s i don't know i think we got at least a decade there's a lot of unraveling to happen i kind of like what's what's the worst case scenario for somebody who lives for someone who lives out in the middle of nowhere i mean asteroid strike no no i mean like society collapsing no no hold on hold on i'm no hold on hold on like this is really important living out in the middle of nowhere by yourself you're actually not you're better off than in a

city not a great spot you like being in a in the country with a community that's the better spot like where you you're not way off by yourself you're actually an easy target you know and you don't have anyone around to help you know whereas if it's like us and like eight neighbors or you kind of know your neighbors that's a different situation build a fortress around your doesn't necessarily have to have a fortress like it doesn't have to be a castle right you just have to kind of know dude i i joke about like one day we'll be we'll be hanging out we'll be doing the show and we'll hear like a noise and then we'll like run outside and there'll be some hipster guy in like flannel with a beanie on

and a handlebar mustache trying to steal a chicken and he's like, I'm just hungry. And we're like, stop him. Chase him down. He like,

he fled Brooklyn. Dude, in Texas, you paint your fence posts purple and you put no trespassing sign because that's basically the, you know, if you come on land, we're going to shoot you.

Purple? Yeah, purple. That's like the color for Purple Heart. Why is that's basically the you know if you come on land we're gonna shoot you purple yeah purple that's like the color that is purple heart why is that i don't know it did just pick that because that's blood color color and like deoxygenated blood no dude what like one of the weird things about texas like animal rustling you could you just shoot like if you like if you have animals in a field and you've you know posted and whatever and someone's in there like no you're that's where you can shoot's in there like, no, you're, that's where you can shoot them in the back. It doesn't matter.

You're not going to prison. Yeah. Like you don't steal animals in Texas. You get shot. It's bad. Yeah. I'm sure those laws go way back. Do you think that I, that we, cause I think we are building the story for the future right

now. Maybe nothing we say today is going to cause it to change change tomorrow but in 20 years when people are like i've had enough right they'll look at this video right and that will be what inspires them right what do you think like psychedelics god no i mean psychedelics are just a tool i'm not like i like psychedelics i use them as medicine like they've been transformative for me but i'm not like you know uh bless his heart like i love aubrey marcus but i'm like oh you got everyone's gonna do ayahuasca no everyone doesn't you know like they're just a tool to achieve a goal they're not the thing like imagine if i was super into hammers like what why but if i'm like i want to build a lot of houses for people live in you're like oh okay that makes sense so i just look at psychedelics

as the hammer right i kind of i've always kind of felt that there's a lot of people who really need some kind of hammer experience hammer as one way to put it because i don't want to hammers are important but but but i don't want to i don't mean just like one thing like dmt or something like that but i think a lot of people are like locked in their minds they can't they can't see outside the box it really shocked me awake with the first time i took mushrooms i was walking around manhattan beach and uh looking at it was trash night and i was like where does this trash go what have we done as a species you needed mushrooms we're just yeah we're just like no that's the point but it hit my core it changed my core like the it changed my dna and the way i was perceiving it this is exactly

what i mean yeah no you're right from for me i remember you know i would talk to my friends and they would start asking these crazy philosophical questions or like when they were stoned or something. And I was like, I don't need whatever it is you're doing to ask these questions, but clearly you do. Maybe there are some people who are like mindless cogs, but then they have an experience like Ian was saying. And all of a sudden they start asking themselves, where's that garbage going? Then they realize, hey, wait a minute, probably not somewhere good. Just like so many problems. They're just putting it on an island and waiting for it to go away.

They put it in a garbage barge, kick it out and forget about it. Of course, now we find there's mushrooms and bacteria that'll digest it and turn it into sugar. There's lots of cool stuff. I think some of it is with substances. It takes away the inhibition.

People may think about these things on some level, but they don't want to ask because they don't want to be the only one. They want to blend in and not. But Ian asked himself. Right, but you were saying your friends are posing these

questions to you while you're hanging out there's like a there's like a desensitization without the psychedelics like reality like right now you're kind of blending into the wall i see like the scene but when i'm on psilocybin you stand out life is very different than non-life it becomes very apparent that we have created this thing or someone before me built this freaking set that we're on. And now, man. You just wake up one day and you're here. And you're like, look at all this stuff that exists. It creates a value for life, I think.

At least psilocybin did for me. I think a big problem, one of the big problems we've had is that millennials, and to an extent every generation before it, but growing in scale, don't understand that other people did work to make things exist that you have. So like, for example, I remember I was riding my bike across the Williamsburg bridge in New York. And I just thought to myself, like, man, some people worked really, really hard to make this bridge happen. And I don't think twice when I ride my bike over it, I don't pay for it. have no i mean i got city taxes cover

the costs but it's just there well one day there was some dude or some lady and they were just like yo we need a bridge and then all these humans were like let's work really really hard and and and sweat and tears and probably a lot of people died in the construction and now all these people are just like what do you mean the bridge is just there and it's like you don't you don't understand the value of what was gifted to you. And the thing about the bridge is you could be a tourist and you get free use of it. Like you're not paying anything for this. It's just there and you get it.

I think that is like the generational wealth of millennials and now Gen Z. They don't understand how much blood, sweat, and tears went into making the world so comfortable. I don't think any young people do. I didn't understand when I was 25. I'm not sure if it's that generation specifically. I'm more Gen X, I guess. And like, I was a fucking idiot at 25. What the hell did I know?

Most people are, I think. Yeah, right. And I know my parents were because they're still idiots in their 70s, right? So like, yeah. Did they take an ayahuasca? No. Yeah, I'd love it if my parents take ayahuasca. We need people to get access to their ancestral knowledge.

This is what I'm talking about. You mentioned earlier you don't think that technology is the story. But like in the past, the story was told through new technology. Like the printing press allowed us to proliferate the story. Or writing allowed us to proliferate the idea of God to the masses. So maybe that the metaverse or that the internet is the vessel that the story will be told. So the post-World War II story in America was that progress solves all, and progress is the goal.

Where has that gotten us? Modern monetary theory. What is progress? No, but the story coming out of world war ii was that progress the american story is a story of progress right i that it's just progress but like the it's like the the the the concept of growth for the sake of growth is the philosophy of cancer, right? Progress just to make progress because it's technological progress is serving a different God. It is not serving humans, right? Whereas like I would contrast that to like an idea that could, and I mean a meta idea that

could replace that would be prosperity. What does prosperity for humans look like? Because it does not always, in fact, rarely does it mean more technology. In fact, more technology is usually antithetical to prosperity for humans. It might be great for owners. God, I sound like a goddamn Marxist right now. And I'm not at all. I really am not. I can't stand the Marxists. Interesting philosophy.

But honestly, if there was one thing carl marx got right it was at least the beginning of a critique of understanding that that that there is a relationship between a human and the value they create that matters that's not captured in the normal way you calculate capital right and so like what is wrong with your show you're getting me to defend the system and Mark's up going crazy. I know. This is nuts. No, but process, like I'm a big believer now

like in the way to measure anything is how does this benefit humans? Humans. Not stakeholder capitalism and that's all nonsense. That's all a scam to screw people. But like how am I better? How is my neighbors better? How's my family better? like how am I better? How is my neighbors better?

How is my family better? How are my kids better? How are my animals better? Right? And like I like technology when it serves humans and prosperity. But like a lot of it doesn't, man. Can I ask a question? Sorry to interrupt.

How does this prosperity doctrine fit in with like your past? Because I feel like in some ways you had a very different mindset when you're 20s when you were like the pickup artist and you were like don't you ever you can call me anything but not pickup artist do you want to call me a scientist i actually would not be upset if you called me a marxist based on what i just said because i kind of sound like one but not pickup artist that's sorry what's the technical term for the industry that you were sort of the head of i was was a writer. Uh-huh. Yes. That's what we're going to call it? Oh, were you teaching people how to hook up?

No. No, I never did that. Sorry. He was writing? No. No, no, no. Don't put me. Look, I like Neil Strauss.

I know him and that crew. I was never one of them. I was never in that world. I wrote. If you want to put me in a category. I mean, the New York times said i invented my own literary genre which like it's the new york times so whatever but like you don't put me in a category put like bukowski or hunter s thompson or that sort of stuff no like writing about women is not

like that has a long history yeah i get that but what i'm saying is your books and i'm not critiquing you at all like it's just part of your story. No, no, no. You can critique me. Just don't call me a pick-up artist. That's a different thing. What is the word? What is, you're a writer who specialized in a very specific.

Writing about my life. Writing about your life, which had a lot to do with. I was like a 20 something year old dude who got drunk and hooked up and act like an idiot. Like all 20 something. And now you're someone who's saying, and I think it's cool, but like,

we need to think about how we are affecting the humans around us, how we're affecting change, how we're affecting humanity. Where did you come from? Like, how did this transition happen for you? That's a very different question than how did you go from pickup artist to this.

You're just going to write a book now called I Know They Serve Beer. Honestly, it's a great question though it really is look I could say as simple as well I grew up and matured but it's more than that it's honestly like I had to do my emotional work like I had to face

my all the stuff I didn't want to face all my trauma all my issues all the baggage that we all carry around I carry around just as much as anyone and I can just carry it around if I want. And that's what most people do. But at some point, I realized, and it was actually after a lot of success, way more success than I thought I needed to be happy. And I was like 10% happier, right? It's way better to be rich than to be poor. Like it's much nicer, but it's like only that much better. And I was like, well, okay, this.

And so I got fixed everything in my life externally. And I was better. And I was like, well, okay, this. And so I fixed everything in my life externally. And I was still unhappy. I'm like, well, the only thing left is me. Like, that's it. Like that. And that was not an easy pill to swallow. And that was into my, you know, mid-30s. Started therapy.

And therapy was a talk therapy. It is like a serious in-depth psychoanalysis. And it was fine. Like, it was good. It helped me a lot. But it didn't really connect me to myself and my emotions. And there's a lot of ways to do that. For the thing that cracked me open was mdma therapy like uh that um was just mind-blowing to me and that was when i was like oh my god i can feel love and sadness

this is like i and then that's like i started about four years ago and that's really what i kind of knew all this intellectually and i believed it but i didn't get it really Like, and then that's like, I started about four years ago and that's really what, I kind of knew all this intellectually and I believed it, but I didn't get it really until I started to connect with myself. And once you connect with yourself, then you connect with nature. And that's when I was like, oh, like, of course God exists. And I'm like, I literally, I'll never forget. I did a session with MDMA and LSD and like And I had the experience of like,

it sounds crazy, you've never done psychedelics, but like the experience, I didn't talk to God, but the experience of God. And I remember I called my friend who's Mormon, and I'm like, dude, I thought you were just an idiot who was fooled.

And he's like, no, I'm like, I get it now. God is an experience. You're not actually, he's like, yes. And I'm like, ah, fuck, dude, I'm so sorry. I just thought you were stupid. Really yes and i'm like oh fuck dude i'm so sorry i just thought you were stupid

really and i'm like which a lot of religious people can be like there's oh i'm gonna believe this because my mom said so but he's like one of those who really like has a relationship what he calls a relationship with god and i understand what it means now right um i don't frame it the way he does but i get it and so once you start walking down that path then i think um there's two ways that there's multiple ways to go down that path i because like a lot of what i'm saying you can get kooky esg clowns who are like we need to you know kill a bunch of humans to save the planet no i am not on that path but uh once you start connecting to yourself and you connect everything around you I think it just

I don't think anything I'm saying is all that revolutionary it's like oh of course you know this just feels right this seems right this connects with what I have experienced right I don't know

am I rambling or is this making sense short answer is MDMA that's what the in-stegway is it has been the most important thing I've ever done in my life. It's incredible. Number one. Incredible substance.

I've never used it in a therapy session, but they do that for soldiers that have returned that are suffering PTSD and things like that. Yeah. No, right now,

it's in stage three clinical trials to be legalized in 2023. So it's not legal. Like I had to find underground guides and all that. But when you do it, I mean, you can do it on your own. I don't, I like to have underground guides and all that. But when you do it, I mean, you can do it on your own.

I don't, I like to have a guide and whatever, but they don't really do much. They're just kind of there. But dude, it's been, it is, I've probably done 15 sessions in the last four years and it is the most important thing I've ever done in my life. And I'm married and I have four kids

and people are like, not your kids and your wife. I'm like, I wouldn't be married and I'd be a terrible father. Like if I had not found it. Like truly. It's amazing when you cry. Being able to cry. Dude, the first time I ever felt love, really.

I thought I had felt love. I was married with two kids when I first did MDMA therapy. And almost as soon as it really hit, I'm like, oh my God. I had never felt, nothing remotely that deep ever in my life until I did that. I didn't realize how traumatized and how emotionally constipated I was. And I had no idea. I had no idea. And then as I got deeper, man, man, I got into the grief.

God, that was about two, three, two and a half years in. It was nothing but grief, man, for like a year. It didn't matter what I did. I had so much grief in me, like that I had to feel that I pushed away my whole life. I just wouldn't feel. How did you stay sane between sessions while you were processing? It's a great question. I had so really, really good mentors around who had walked this path decades before and kind of knew and helped me. But it's basically called integration, right? So, you know, I had a talk therapist, a different one from before, you know, and I actually had to really learn self-care, truly deep, like, okay, I can't be working 15 hours a day anymore. I can't this. I can't.

That's not going to work. And so journaling every day, which I've been doing for a while anyway, but I got serious about it. You know, like got very serious about nutrition, very serious about sleep, all this sort of stuff. And I mean, I changed. It's crazy for me to think about what I was like even six or seven years ago, but especially like 10 or 15 years ago. It was, in a lot of ways, I was the same person, but it's almost like I don't even know that dude from 15 years ago.

Like he's like, I almost just feel sad for him, you know? Do you ever want to change your name? No, no, no, no, not at all. No, no. I don't mean this in a way like repudiate my past or i was a bad person no i mean i did some terrible stuff i shouldn't have done but like i don't mean it like that i just mean like i don't have any connection to that dude so your diet you're talking earlier that you source most of your meat from your farm yeah and a lot of stuff

locally like what did it used to be what did you change you know like i i've been eating healthy for about 15 years meaning like kind of like a paleo ancestral diet you know not a lot of carbs no seed oils i i knew that but like i just it was like oh yeah you know i mean i go to whole foods that chicken's got to be healthy man have you seen how chickens are raised and he doesn't well i'm sure you know yeah horrible right you don't even walk they get stuffed in oh dude it's the work and so like once you kind of understand that, it's like, okay, you eat what the animals eat, right? So even if they're healthy chickens, organic, and they're raised in these horrible, massive pens, they don't walk on the ground.

They walk on dead chickens or whatever. That's terrible. That's unhealthy. We got farms all over the place out here. You drive five minutes, you get fresh farm tenderloins. it's like it's terrible that's unhealthy we got farms all over the place out here yeah you drive five minutes you get fresh farm tenderloins you get fresh eggs fresh butter yep man we've been cooking with real farm butter it's amazing it is it's it's in you can't compare it no like so we've got salted and unsalted and you taste it and you're like what is this and then you take

the store-bought butter and you're like this is this and then you take the store-bought butter and you're like this is not food no it's not really it's actually not in a lot of cases yeah it was interesting you were talking about like the story of our time and it sounds like it's kind of a personal thing for the individual needs to realize their own story uh like what you did with the mdma therapy and talk therapy basically was the talking the mdma is the tool that you use during the talk right well one's about the intellect and one's about the emotions. You got to go both. Like you can't just do, I know plenty of people who've done a ton of emotional work, but are flighty as hell and have dumb ideas in their head, right? And then I know plenty of

people who've thought their way as far as they can, but won't feel anything, right? Both are important. Both are relevant. And you can't just do one you know like if you want to be balanced and kind of whole you kind of have to you have to feel and think there's that's why we got different parts of our brain it's not just one of the other when you like come up on a situation that makes you want to cry or that makes you want to like what at what point do you stop yourself from crying and at what point do you let yourself cry i try not to stop myself from i mean unless like it's inappropriate or weird or I'm at some, I don't know.

You don't want to cry right now? Dinner and the butterfly comes through. If you guys gave me a reason to cry, I would cry. I mean, I'm not sure what it would be. I'm sure we could talk about something. But yeah, I don't really worry about that anymore. I've never been worried about, well, what does someone else think about, like, my emotion?

That's never been a problem for me. For me, it's been feeling the emotion, you know? Like, I didn't have that bad of a childhood in certain ways. Like, no one sexually abused me or beat me or, thank God, none of that. I just had narcissistic parents who didn't care about me, and I was essentially abandoned as a kid, you know, not literally, like I had food and shelter, but like emotionally, there was no one there for me. And that sort of relation is called relational trauma. That sort of a relational trauma is actually, it's hard to understand because there's not a great narrative

around it. And most people don't understand the closest person I've ever heard who understood was someone who actually helped. They were in Romania after the fall of the wall and there were all these abandoned kids and they worked in orphanage there. And they would tell me like... The Romanian orphanages are crazy. Right, so my life wasn't that bad. But imagine like someone like that

who had parents and were there but still kind of ignored you. So it's like on the scale of relational trauma, they're like a 10 and I'm like a 5, right? But it's still anywhere on that scale is not good. And so like just accepting that, right? That, okay, I wasn't sexually abused or physically abused. I've never been to war. You know, no one's raped me.

Like most people think of trauma as some horrible physical event and that is trauma but um that's not the only type of trauma and that's not the only way to have deep emotional impacts from things you know and it's not like dude some people will do this and like all kinds of uh repressed trauma will come up like oh my dad or my stepdad raped me and i pushed that happens all the time none of that happened with me like I I knew exactly what happened to me it was just like I had never felt any of my grief from my mom never spending any time with me like I just pushed that away because when you're four it's overwhelming you know but now when you're 40 and you're taking MDMA and you're laying on this sofa and you know New York wherever and like it comes up and it's like oh and you like safe and whatever you can feel it then you feel it you know but then it's like it's like you're free now does this

impact how you parent i'm assuming or do you make different choices i mean i in fact if you want me to start crying if i think about what i was like as a parent seven years ago with my first, my bishop, my oldest, who just turned eight versus now, like I was on the scale of parents. I was a very good parent compared to most parents seven years ago. I am a fundamentally different parent now. I'm a hundred times better. I'm so much more present, more emotionally connected, uh attached i meet my children's needs so much better um you got him learning like brazilian jiu-jitsu he does go to brazil jiu-jitsu actually my eight-year-old does oh yeah yeah totally it's a good idea yeah um but okay funny you bring that

up what when he was four i pushed him into it you know because like i'm big into that i really want and he liked it but like he kind of didn't really want it. And I was pushing a little too hard. And I was I just was wise enough to realize, all right, I'm pushing him. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to, you know. And so then I backed off and he quit. OK, like I was disappointed, which is like silly because it's his life, not mine.

And I stopped. I let go of all that. And then two years, three years later, he's like, Dad, I want to start going again. You know what kids need for this stuff? They need to have other kids around them. Yeah. So the issue is when you bring your kids, say, like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and it's a bunch of adults. Yeah.

And he went to kids' classes. So, all right. Well, typically what I find. I think I was just pushing him. Pushing him too hard? Yeah. He didn't want me looming over him. Right.

You know? They want to hang out with their friends. That's kind of the point I was getting to. Right. So like I've had friends who – one example is skateboarding. A friend of mine said they wanted to skate, got a skateboard, and then eventually didn't want to do it anymore. But their parents were like, you have to. We bought you a board.

You're using it but then when you have all of these other skateboarders all cheering you on and then you have your own group of friends all of a sudden you're like this is my community you get into it and so you know yeah well but there's also i think an intrinsic versus extrinsic right and so my son's pretty independent and thankfully and i was pushing him and I think he was naturally rebelling against that. And so when I stopped pushing and let go, then he was able to find it on his own and his own desire for it as opposed to mine. So pushing a little is probably a good thing just so he knows.

Introducing is a good thing. Pushing is different. And you also should have him play Magic the Gathering. 100%. Well, make him a good poker player. Exactly. And mathematician. So a lot of people don't understand

Magic the Gathering is chess and poker combined. And a lot of the top Magic players were actually top poker players. There's a famous quote from one of these guys. And they said, you play Magic the Gathering and poker. Is it being a top poker player harder? one of these guys and they said you know you play magic the gathering and poker is is you know what is like is it being a top poker player harder and he's like in one game has 13 000 cards you're

trying to guess one has 52 he's like so you know poker is a bit easier for us but it was a good point and i was i remember when i was younger trying to explain it to people people often hear magic the gathering and they assume you like dress like a wizard. Like Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. It's like you go to a local game shop and there's like – I would be skateboarding and then afterwards I'd go to the game shop. There'd be comics. We'd play Marvel versus Capcom. And then people would play Magic or whatever. And none of these people were into D&D.

Not a single one played D&D. It was just like – Really? There's no overlap between those two communities? There probably is. I assume there is. Oh, yeah, right. But there was none there was no dnd oh wow it was comic books it was marvel it was it was you know playing arcades it was skateboarding yeah it was just like another thing like we were tired where bodies were racked it's like i just started a backside tail slide it's like let's just draft or something so we can sit down and still do something yeah and

so then you're getting strategic strategic development yeah after your physical development yeah no it makes sense yeah now the same company owns uh dungeons and dragons and magic the same company owns them both so you'll you might start to see overlap but it's like completely different one's like like do you ever play dnd it's like an acting exercise basically and the other game is like a math exercise. We really got to do that modern political war game thing that the Clintons, or was it Clinton? It was like Podesta did.

Do you hear about that? In 2020, they basically played D&D, but it was like modern politics. And then one of the Democrats was like, if Trump wins, we're seceding from the union. And they roll die to see what would happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be funny. We really got to do that. We could film it to see what would happen yeah that would be funny we really got to do that we could film it it'd be hilarious that would be funny you get a bunch of people in who are super into that that could be fun look ian you're hillary you're running in

2024 all right let's go what do you say roll to see if you're if you get the votes yeah roll to see if people actually like you this time good luck no no no you don't well you do your base stats but like i'm pretty sure her charisma would be like me yeah i'd be like a minus one minus one oh hillary it goes down it wasn't always that bad what would trump have in terms like you know charisma 15 or 16 really high very high yeah very high but isn't his intelligence would be lower he's got more charisma intelligence intelligence to be high too what's got more charisma than intelligence. Intelligence would be high too. What's like a negative?

Wisdom. He'd have low wisdom. Yeah, a negative charisma. Because he pisses people off with his statements. Yeah, yeah. And then they're like. We got to do this. They're like, why did he say that? He's like, I don't even know why I said that.

Yeah, right. Because of my low wisdom. You're right, he isn't. He is very intelligent. Yeah, he is. He's a calculating guy. Yeah, this would be hilarious. Map out.

We should literally do. We should literally do it. We should do it live. And like war game out what 2024 would look like based on modern politics today to see what it would be, you know? I love this. This is great.

There's all kinds of wild cards too. We would do like a primary and then it's like you got to roll to see if you get the votes or something. I'm liking Ron DeSantis more and more. Hey, did you guys see Carrie Lake won? Finally. Finally.

After so much time. She won every county. She was great. I was in favor of her when she called out that CNN woman. I'm like, she's obviously amazing. It's amazing. She's accessible, at least to me so far. I've interviewed her twice.

I've been on the show. We interviewed her twice. And we talked about a local voting app that you could use where you could set your slider for like, I want to put 7% of my taxes towards this local thing, 4% towards this and it'd be like a Tinder app kind of where I could say like, okay, hey everyone I want to put a fountain on Main Street and then if people are going through the app, they see it

they swipe right, it goes into their little slide bar thing and then they can allocate like 2% of their taxes to the thing and she loved the idea. That's I think it's really like, things are becoming very real with the governors. That's an example of technology that could be amazing. That's very cool.

Yeah. You into the convention of states? I keep hearing it get tossed around. I mean, I don't know. Like, it wouldn't shock. There's almost nothing you could tell me about the future of America that would shock me now. Like, a complete chaotic civil war. A federalist, you know, kind-breakup, but not really.

I don't know. Something... Woke communist gulags? Of course that wouldn't shock me. They already have those in Australia. Yeah. I was saying yesterday that it seems like all the cultures on Earth now have come together

and they're all forcing each other on themselves. And so that's this chaos. It's not like an accident or like, oops, we fucked up it's like no this is like this is what happens nothing would make me he got ian swearing yeah i'm back to my old self nothing will make me happier than just like local rule for everyone you know like okay you take care of yourself we'll take care of ourselves let's just like i i got no prologue you want want to inject hormones into your kids and eat each other? Okay, cool. Go to New York.

That's why they do that. Except they want rules over you. Of course. Right. No, I get that. And we got to mediate the atmosphere and like the rivers and the oceans. Well, that's the control thing. That's like, okay, if I can find a lever of control where you are responsible for something I want, that's, I'm convinced without before, I've been skeptical of

climate stuff for a long time for two reasons. One is because the people who are pushing it are always the same people who are pushing whatever authoritarian bullshit that comes up, right? So it's never like, so someone I'm like, okay, well, this person's really smart and they know their stuff. It's always like, you know, Al Gore, right? Who's like, it's that type. But then the other thing is, it's like, hold on a minute. So you want to make me responsible for something that you can't really measure. You can't attribute to me, but it's going to have to fundamentally alter my behavior and my output.

But you get to decide what that is. No, that's not going to work to fundamentally alter my behavior and my output but you get to decide what that is no that's not going to work right and like whenever someone's like you know trying to make other people responsible for something and it means they get to control them that's the reddest of red flags even if like yeah i mean you can look at the data it's gotten hotter in most parts of the world last couple years or whatever etc etc like even if there's some truth to it. The more tangible example would be like poisoning the waterway

inadvertently upriver, like dumping chemicals in and then the other community that you're not related to. That's measurable. Like, you could be, okay, you dumped DDT up here. All these fish died.

Like, okay, you can figure that out. You know? Like, that's like, that's tort law can handle that. You know? You are a lawyer after all, before you said. out, you know? Like, that's like, that's tort law can handle that, you know? You are a lawyer after all, before you said. No, no, no.

I did not take the bar. Law for your family is your jam. We're going to go to Super Chats. Okay. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show with your friends. And head over to TimCast.com, become a member to check out our new shows, Tales from the Inverted World, the new episode Sundays at 10 a.m. The next episode is really amazing. It's what got me thinking about the Great Filter and the apocalypse and stuff.

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So I'm going to try and read. I have to like lean forward. All right, let's see. Oh, actually, we can't read them. That's amazing. Okay, we can read some kade schreiner first super chat ever i just wanted to say one thing love y'all guy ian is the best though well hey we're all equal you know i'm just doing what i do hey dude he's like i am the best thank you for noticing i'm the best of what I do. That's a very diplomatic answer.

All right. Scott Wood says, thank you for the heads up on food shortages, gas shortages. I got 70 gallons of gas on hand, never paid over $4 a gallon, freezer full of food. What do you do when you stock up on gas? Well, gas depreciates quickly. He's got to cycle that stuff through. Diesel lasts about a year. Gas won't usually last more than three months or six months.

Because of evaporation? No, it's the way it's uh processed like propane will last essentially kerosene lasts forever effectively diesel i think is about a year to 18 months and i think gas has to turn over quick oh so you can cycle it without destroying it and no no you got to use it oh like it won't last i think there might be additives you can put in but i don't think they extend it beyond six months raymond g stanley jr says tim seeing death in real life is exactly why veterans are some of the biggest adversaries of war once you see life drain from someone's eyes you get it yeah yeah when i saw that video today of the guy in the store it just brought like memories back and feelings man and i always i always say like i'm not like I always say like, I'm not like a war. I'm not,

I'm not like a soldier or anything. I didn't do any of that stuff, but I've been places where people have died. And I've, I remember the first time I saw someone die and the feeling I got was something I'd never experienced in 27 years of life. Seeing it actually happen was just, it was like, I don't know, felt like getting, having like just water submerge my brain. Like it was a flicker. And then there's like this gut wrenching feeling like someone was squeezing my heart. And I watched them carry that body off the street. It's crazy, man.

Yeah. And watching the stuff earlier today. I'm just, man, I'm the crime that's skyrocketing. These woke Soros backed DAs. Soros writes an op-ed saying he's doubling down on all of this. We're watching people get slashed in the street. There was a guy just in New York, I think it was today, he was going around, or the other day he was just punching people in the face.

It's absolutely bonkers. Violent crime is up all over the country. And it's been on the rise since COVID, probably before that. And then you start seeing these stories like the shop owner who fires a shotgun at the dude with the rifle. And it's like, man, this is not going in a good way. And people are going to get a rude awakening. There's so many people that think they want to live in like a zombie apocalypse horror movie and they think it would be fun and exciting. And then they're sitting there shaking with more stress they've ever experienced in their lives and they're throwing up just because of the anxiety

it's crazy days man all right we'll grab some more super chats alex maggiore is that magri i see the 4 p.m story becoming new norm. People are tired of the lawlessness, and it's going to result in vigilantism, frontier justice, and maybe mafia-like protection rackets. Yes. Yes. Do you see what Brazil did?

They have a huge problem with guys on motorcycles robbing cars, and they legalized, like, you can run over those motors. And, like, there's all kinds of videos now coming out just mowing people down with their cars like people getting robbed and then a car just comes out of nowhere runs right over the bike kills people I mean they're killing

robbers but right but the thing is there's a point where it's someone robbing you for luxury that they just they want then there's there's a there's a point where it's someone robbing you for luxury that they just they want right then there's also like you mentioned with the the with the with austin with the the winter apocalypse food people just have no they're desperate yeah and they're like that's different you or me but then you're gonna see people like when it's about luxuries an armed population an armed society is a polite society if there's some guy who's gonna rob a

store because he wants to come up on something and he knows everyone's armed, he's going to think twice. Somebody who's starving, they don't care. It's like I was telling this story where I saw a fox walking into our backyard. It's like a yard. It's like a big open acreage of the forest. But Bucco, Bocas, our cat, was sitting there like a

moron, just in a loaf, and looks over at the fox that's slowly creeping up to him the fox was gaunt looking i was surprised the fox came onto the property because we have you know that we have dogs and humans but this fox looked desperate didn't care so i actually had to stop in the middle of recording run out and start yelling and the fox just looked at me and didn't care like he was that hungry it looked it looked gaunt It was probably just... So I had to just jump off and then run up

and then it ran off. And then I had to yell at my cat, like, what are you doing, you moron? He's going to eat you. He's still sitting this whole time. The cat is just like, what? Yep, and then he just looks at me and just looks back

and then doesn't move. He's too comfortable here. I was like... But then I went over and I get back inside, you moron. We let him run around and do cat stuff because for the most part,

they're fine. I know you're on the risk of coyotes and stuff like that. But we had a raccoon coming on the property because they were getting desperate. They were getting hungry or something. And then when they're desperate, they don't care about the threats. So it's time to not wear jewelry out in public, not hold your phone up in front of you on the street in New York if you're walking down the street. Or just not be in New York. Yeah.

All right. Tim Wolek says, been managing money for four years for ultra wealthy. Trusts are not the best way to shelter money. Irrevocable trusts give the money to someone else. You can't be the giver and receiver of cash. What does that mean? Well, he's right. That's

one type of trust is irrevocable, right? So meaning like if I set up a trust for my son that's irrevocable so it's gone to him fully, it just makes it more protected. So I can't be like there's – because sometimes you can pierce the veil with trust and like in a lawsuit depending on which trust it is. Irrevocables, you can't do that.

That's someone else's money. Yeah, it's not someone else's money. Totally, right. So you got to pay taxes on it? Well, you always have to. There's nothing you're doing you're not paying tax no but i mean i mean like let's let's say you you make uh a hundred grand i pay taxes then it goes into trust i i don't think the other person has to pay once they take the money out they might have to right uh no i'm not sure i don't think so it depends well it depends. It depends how it's set up

because I know like for kids, I think they're each allowed to get, there's a number, five or 10 million from their parents, maybe five million apiece from parents that's tax free. And then after that, it's like death tax

where it's like 80% or whatever crazy amount. And so like, I think that if it's somebody else, then I'm not sure how that would work alright Jordan Z says signed up for Timcast a few days ago also Tim in response

to the line from Fast and Furious it was from Fast 5 when they were in Brazil not 4 ah Fast 5 you're slipping fact checks are live here the Fast and Furious cinematic universe is the best cinematic universe this is the one where there's likeious cinematic universe is the best cinematic universe.

This is the one where there's like 10 of them? Hold on, the best for what? I'm just saying like race cars? I mean, how many cinematic universes

are there? Two? Marvel? Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? There's dozens. This is the Vin Diesel one, right?

Vin Diesel where there's like 10? No, I'm completely opposed to this. We talk about this on pop culture all the time. It's the best. No, it's too many. Just stop. It's like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm completely opposed to this. We talk about this on Pop Culture all the time. It's the best.

No, it's too many. Just stop. It's just like explosion, pretend fake dialogue. They went to space. Why would they go to space? Because they had to go to space. What do you mean? It was amazing.

You could be fascinated. Ludacris was in outer space. In a Fiero. In a Fiero. I'm okay with this being like a gender thing. I maybe just don't get this, but like this seems stupid to me. That's why it's awesome.

It is stupid. It was about race cars and like races for the first couple. Yeah. And then it became about an action adventure movie where they were like, we got to do something. We better keep writing the script. No, it's on purpose.

Like they did the movie Hobbs and Shaw, which is part. And there's like Idris Elba's got superpowers. And I'm like, yes. Then the next movieris Elba's got superpowers and I'm like yes then the next movie they go to outer space and I'm like

even better I hope I swear please if you're listening to me please studio the next movie maybe the next one

because you're already working on it the one after that I want there to be like a quantum explosion that gives them all superpowers

Vin Diesel starts floating no no no they should be woke epidemiologists. That's what I'm talking about. They shrink one guy down, goes into the body of the other guy and has to fight dudes and organs.

That's like that blue cartoon character that movies already made. No, I oppose this vehemently. 10 is too many, Tim. I want them to get superpowers and then like, you know, ludicrous characters. And then they fight the Marvel characters. No, no, no.

They got to make their own villains, you know. But then it's just like all of a sudden you've got this cinematic universe. Demon boy, yeah. And then Jason Statham can teleport for some reason. And, you know, The Rock can like, you get super strength because he's The Rock. Vin Diesel can fly. That's organic superheroes. That's how they're made, you know.

You have to talk about this when i told brett i was like opposed to this he was like you don't understand they make so much money like they can keep going forever but why why would we do this well because people pay and we do talk about creating culture and making new things as opposed to rehashing the same crappy marvel characters so maybe that's what this universe has become or is becoming it's new crappy instead of old crappy. No, no, no. I agree. It sucks.

But maybe change the name from Fast and Furious because I still think of cars and the first guy. I mean, they call it Hobbs and Shaw. What is Fast and Furious? Presents. Presents. No, superpowers. They went to outer space. It should eventually, like, they're in the multiverse.

Then you put Spider-Man in there for some reason, like you were saying. Is it a Disney? Stargate. Stargate. I was just watching a clip from that earlier. James Spader. We should do it. We should totally do a bit somehow where it's like Fast and the Furious 57.

And it's like Spider-Man's in it. They go through a Stargate into the multiverse. In a 57 Chevy. To fight Klingons in a Chevy. This is my nightmare. I would be, I would pay to see that movie. It was totally serious. I don't think I would take money to watch it.

Do you watch movies much these days? No. I took my kids to see Top Gun 2, and they love that. What would you give it on a scale from 1 to 10? Compared to what? What's the scale? The best movie of all time i don't know or what did you expect of it first indiana jones maybe it's it's much better than i thought it

would be um i didn't think it was that good but compared to like other movies yeah like it's like recent movies last few years yeah it's fantastic it was impressive that he flew the plane himself tom uh tom cruise from what i heard, he was actually piloting. He does do a lot of his own stunts, and he has his pilot's license. Oh, wait, is that not confirmed? I kind of doubt it. I don't know. I thought that he was piloting it. I mean, certain scenes, I don't feel like they were really.

I'm not sure. Hold on. Because they're flying the F-14s, the two-seaters. They're shooting him from the front. So how the hell is he flying the plane, then? I don't think. I don't know. I don't know.

I heard that. Maybe it wasn't true. I don't know. I should dig into it alright let's read some more we got Jay Chacha says the female who got stomped

at the T-Mobile in Arizona with no one to help her horrible security cam with no oh yeah that's right yeah with her no help you saw that she's like

the guy walks in and then he goes could you and then wham and then just starts wailing on her beat the shit out of her this is why that dude

in Vegas is like nope not gonna try and wait to find out. And I bet if it goes to trial, he's going to be like, the lawyer's going to be like, here's 500 videos showing exactly what happens to these people. He watched these Twitter feeds all day.

And stop Asian hate. Yeah, totally. Your Honor, there were people marching in every major city talking about how Asian people were being targeted. This guy in a ski mask jumps the counter. Not going to wait to find out. Not going to wait to be the statistic, huh? All right.

McChilla says, wealthy philanthropists should spend every last cent of their fortune in an effort to get a convention of states repeal the 19th. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. The 19th. I'd say the 17th.

Yeah, what do you think about the 19th are you uh are you one of those i don't know what do you mean i mean well that's like a long conversation i don't know the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote yeah okay the thing is if i could give up my right to vote to a husband who I trusted and thought would make better decisions and it would guarantee something better, I would be open to it. Right. I don't think that feminism was necessarily the best thing for this country, especially third wave feminism. But generally, no offense to all of you, but if you're willing to make a 10th Fast and

Furious, like, no, I have to vote for myself. I can't trust your judgment. Never trust someone else to do it for you. You just exemplified exactly why. We have to repeal the 19th so we can get a 10th. I think there are 10 Fast and Furious. They're working on the 10th. So we'll duke it out over the 11th.

Confirmed. Tom Cruise did. They did like a boot camp, a three-month Navy approved boot camp training course for him and his co-stars to learn to fly. I guess they were flying. All right. There you go.

He's had his pilot's license since 1994. That's impressive to me. I thought you were going to confirm how many Fast and the Furious movies there were. Well, dude, listen. Confirm Fast and the Furious. I mean, we all used to make fun of Tom Cruise, and now it's like,

oh, it turns out he was totally right about antidepressants. Oh, man, did you see that clip? Now it's recirculating where he was talking to Matt Lauer, and he's like, dude, the psychiatric industry is for profit. I don't know if he was saying it was for profit, but he was showing like this. And that was incredible. I remember how they made him look crazy when he was,

they were like, oh, he's a Scientologist. He's crazy. He thinks you can heal yourself. Well, Scientologists are crazy about a lot of things. They're just right about that. That was fascinating. Yeah. All right.

Kyler Sheb says, do you think New Yorkers will start eating each other or the rats first? Rats. Well, probably it'll all happen at once. I don't know, man. I'd rather eat a person than a rat. Yeah, I think so too. Those are the options. And it's like, okay, well,

I'd rather choose neither. Plus, like, where's the major rat hunting ground? The subway? And you have to go down there? And do you know what's going to be the subway at the point that we're considering meeting humans? If you see rats eating a body, a human body, would you eat the human body or the rats? But they're going to run as soon as you

approach the body. You can find a piece that they haven't been nibbling on. I'm with you. Scavenging? No. It's a strange either or game. I know. Friday night. How about lambs? Can we eat those instead do you guys slaughter on the farm yeah yep all right sparky says real mdma is awesome mostly fake stuff out there really

yes he's right yeah a lot of times they'll call it ecstasy yeah like if you're doing a club it's probably non-mdma is cut with a lot of things like i go to guides who get very very good stuff and it's methamphetamines it It's methyl and dioxymethamphetamine is what that stands for. I have not met a lot of people who know the chemical signature name for it. Yeah, methamphetamine. Yeah.

All right. Mike Gibson says, I drive for a food warehouse that supplies groceries to major distribution centers. They are jammed full. I think U.S. food shortages are going to be inconveniences,

not the zombie apocalypse. This, I think he's right this fall. We had a bumper week harvest in North Dakota and some other places. I was worried this winter was going to be bad. But no doubt that have already happened worldwide. Sri Lanka, Ecuador, Ghana they're they're coming they're already here and there's going to be a lot more the only question is how bad does it get in america right um he's he's right short term all right

xenobia x says y'all mention transhumanism often enough i have to ask if any of you can give a definition for it that doesn't include people with tubes in their ears, prosthetics, or pacemakers. Is transhumanism... That's not really the definition of it. Like, that's all stuff you can get now. Like, old people have. But that's what their point is. Their point is that transhumanism is here.

It's kind of a vague term because you could say that because we have a phone that people are cyberizing. But I think like, you know, like the neural net would be an idea of a piece of transhumanist technology. I think transhumanism is,

look, we're going to be neural linked and we're going to be talking about how transhumanism is coming. Like their point is excellent. People have pacemakers already. People have insulin pumps. Like humans are cyborgs already.

I always thought transhumanism was really ultimately the goal was to be uploaded into the digital sphere. Yeah, Ray Kurzweil talks about the singularity. Yeah, and EMs and all that stuff, emulations and all that. That's one form of it. Yeah, it's a vague term, transhumanism. It just means that we've become more than homo sapien. We're evolving to another species. And we're probably going to evolve to multiple species at once to branch out robot people who live in the and then one of them will try and kill all the

other ones because humans have been excessively racist over through that the history of the culture you play video games at all some of them have you played uh the new horizon forbidden west no no i played videos when i was a little kid so we feel like mario kart and stuff did you play it yet i haven't played horizon so uh spoiler alert i mean the game's been out for a while now but the the ending is basically you know the original story is like humanity gets wiped out by self-replicating robots then there is the zero dawn project which once all the biomass is destroyed these machines underground kick on that humans built to start recreating and re-terraforming the planet. And then in this new, the second game, there's humans. Another operation to save humanity was the Zenith Project.

I think it was called Zenith. And they escape Earth. So these people are super advanced, immortal, can float, and they have advanced technology, and they come back to earth and then it turns out they were actually fleeing from they uploaded their consciousness replicating themselves and then freaked out when they saw what it was and imprisoned it enraging the multi-consciousness of all of their minds which escapes and then seeks to destroy them so anyway that's funny tim you didn't ask me if i play horizon i don't understand i looked around and said, you guys play it? Have you played Horizon? Absolutely not. Sorry.

What's your favorite game? Well, the thing is, I have an older brother. So I spent a lot of time sitting next to someone playing video games and who was like, shut up. You can't play. Stop. But we did a lot of Assassin's Creed when I was younger. I just figured because you didn't watch Fast and Furious, you probably just had bad taste

in games. I have awful taste in games Ken Long says love the TimCast IRL podcast I relate to everyone on the show including guests you guys take me back to my 70s thank you yes well alright the 70s or his 70s

to my 70s alright ugly swan says to my dearest ian we should chat sometime i love your hungry mind i think eu theory is showing itself uh showing itself culture uh the eagle eats the serpent jupiter strikes mars interesting some wild uh wild information right there dr doctor says tim just referenced ssbsts dude is definitely a cky fan well of course if you know how old i am you know that i watched cky when i was what's that uh it's it was bam margera the cky was the band then he made a video where it was them engaging in shenanigans some skateboarding some pushing people before jackass yeah oh and then they made cky2k

which was a huge viral all the skate shops had it all right tx pack rat says texas pack rat prepping isn't just about storing food and having guns get hand wood working tools a metal lathe and a mill if a part breaks on my gun, I can make it. No store needed. He's not wrong. I didn't talk about everything, but he's not wrong. Community. I like how you emphasize how prepping also means prepare your community.

That's probably the most important part is community. It definitely is. All right. Ugly Swan says, damn, you brought up Magic the Gathering. I have to comment. Ian, how do you play Magic? Do you thirst for war? I brought my Bruna back out, and I'm loving it.

I'm pretty utilitarian. If I'm playing against someone that has a deck that's going to go infinite, I'll kill them as fast as possible. Now he's talking about me. If Tim plays blue, he's done. But I like trickery, and I like to watch what they do and then respond to the enemy, usually. All my decks are blue. Yeah, Tim plays pretty nasty decks. Because it's also pay to win. No, Pinky Jiggy's to win red i know that's what i was thinking about decks that are trained to

win on turn four you have no choice you have to go after them first making up words right now we would never know oh we should play magic it's great right now let's do it bust them out yeah we bought we bought a whole bunch of the sets i've never played it's great yeah yeah but you but you i know what it is i understand the game i just don't know anything about it yeah i love i love burn you know if it's if you can sustain it yeah we did we did a draft and i put together an aggro deck and it fell victim to all of the what ian basically had a mid-range well i couldn't get enough damage in before he got his you know creatures out and then that's how you lose with aggro he got me i like drawing cards a lot too cards like decks where i do like 35 things in one turn i love that stuff all right gu knight says tim what are your thoughts on adding a message board to the site it would be

a good place for members to talk about news current events and link sources a good way to check the pulse of your fans yes so the one thing is we're we've been we've been trying to develop a new commenting system and um we're trying to do it in a way that promotes other social platforms. Because I don't want to say too much, but how Facebook has the most websites that have comments, we'll just put a Facebook comment thing on it. You can embed it. So we want to do something like that with a different platform. We might just put back on the original comments. And we were thinking about doing some kind of messaging system for members so that there's a community building thing happening. But the issue

is we have like one developer. And so it's an issue of how much we can afford and how fast we can do it. But yeah, first I was like, screw Facebook. But at the same time, it's like some comments are better than no comments. So it might be worth as a stepping stone. And if we did Facebook comments, you snap your fingers and they're there it's like really easy to generate and then it posts on facebook and people can share on facebook so but facebook is awful all right waffle sensei says tim y'all run commander right what commanders do you run my omnath locus locus of mana will destroy you and to the viewers teach your kids magic because they won't be able to afford drugs yes magic the gathering is an expensive game that because they won't be able to afford drugs.

Yes, Magic the Gathering is an expensive game. That's what Ian was saying, pay to win. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, you could just download pieces of paper that have the images on them, cut them up,

put some cardboard on it, and play. You don't actually need... Yeah, proxies, if you really want to play. Not you can't do it in tournaments, but, you know, typically when we're playing at home,

make the deck you want to make to play the best. Dude, I don't think your Omnoth deck can beat tim's kiki jeeki deck i mean that thing is like a net deck just built to slay it's like it's golden yeah the cards are golden all the cards are foil except for the ones that are like alpha and beta that's awesome it's really insanely expensive deck kai car that one's also kind of ridiculous

that's my favorite deck red white and blue red and blue. Red, white, and blue, baby. America. Then your other one is Thassa of the Deep. Oh, that one's... That deck is nuts. It's just, dude, you should play Tim sometime. It's not fun. Oh, they'd lose.

It's not fun. No, you've got to... We roll... Yeah, it's not... No, no. I mean, it's fun if you like just, like, really fast games. Ian and I got to the point where we would just roll a die, and whoever got the highest

would be like, oh, good game. Because whoever goes first wins. Whoever gets the mana crypt first. Yeah. I mean, it just, whoever goes first, man. All right. Howard says, Trump's an actor. Dero contracts.

O-X-R-P to get you by. What? I don't know what that means. All right. Let's see. Tim Wollack says, don to the show, Ian Some Love. Donating to show Ian Some Love, man gets too much hate here. Oh, can you tell me?

Really? I feel like I could have hated on you way more. You could have. Great conversation. I'll say stuff I think that provokes people's insecurities sometimes. And I just, better to be honest than to receive. All right. Garhant says Trump level 12 barred college of lore strength 11 dexterity 8 constitution

14 intelligence 16 wisdom 8 charisma 20 favorite attack cutting words weaknesses cream filled lard burgers fix your pitches email if you want to DM we have disabled the pitches email. Yeah, we had to. That was a great description though pitches email. Yeah, we had to. That was a great description, though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Beastly Devil says, Tim, you son of a gun.

You kept bringing up Battlestar Galactica and decided to watch it. Best decision I have made and one of my favorite sci-fi shows now. Adama Sr. is my character and a great leader. So say we all. Dude, that show.

The old school Battlestar? New one. Well, i don't know the old school was better in the 70s yeah i haven't seen it that's good you know it's what's crazy is so you know the i'm assuming the stories are very similar or you've seen the new series the new one no i haven't so the cylons destroy the colonies and then the fleet is just traveling and all they have left are these fleet of ships and then there's one plot where there's a ship that's just mining effectively coal like so it's all of these people have to work 16 hour days with no breaks and they're just slaves and they're like if you stop working we all die and so then there's a revolt and then they're like other people have

to rotate in because they're gonna just kill themselves or something show's brutal yeah crazy and then in the end they they make it to Earth. And then they're like, the people on Earth are compatible with us. It's like, okay, that's weird. That's like a weird plot point, but I guess.

All right. Chris Van Doom. Derm. Tim and Ian, have you heard of the trading card game Flesh and Blood? I'd quit competitive Magic the Gathering after 15 years for this game.

It's amazing. You'll both love it. We'll take a look. We actually have a card game in development right now about culture war politics and stuff being developed. Yeah, Tim and I built the database, and Seamus did the art. Freedom Tunes did the art. But now we do have a game master who's combing through it and setting it up and fixing it. Game testing, yeah.

All right. Marshall Mello says, Chris's opinion piece yesterday was one of the most unintelligent and disgusting it up and fixing it. Game testing, yeah. All right. Marshall Mello says, Chris's opinion piece yesterday was one of the most unintelligent and disgusting things I've ever read. Somebody needs to check his mental health. Seriously. Wow. Outraged.

I think Chris wrote that he was pro-choice, pro-abortion. Yeah. He said it. The headline is something like, because I believe in the Bible, I'm pro-choice or pro-abortion. I have to say, Chris Carr is like the backbone of all of my work.

So he can write whatever opinion piece he wants. I mean, he's a very intelligent guy. Marshall, I'm glad you read it. I'm glad you've expressed your opinion, disliking it, because that's a good thing. And I'm glad Chris wrote it. Yeah.

If it makes you think, it's worth being there. I mean, that's the point of effective op-ed pieces. Right. And then, Marshall, for your thoughts, it should arm you against, this is the thing, like read people you disagree with, express your disagreement, and now you're better equipped to argue your ideas. That's what I'm all about.

So that's a good thing. All right. Sparky says, Star Trek trek the original series is the only good star trek next generation next generation uh what about what about you original series i mean i thought like it depends so if we're talking about captains i mean kirk far and away better than some fucking frenchman right but if you're talking about captains, I mean, Kirk far and away better than some fucking Frenchman, right? But if you're talking about overall series, I can see the argument for Next Generation. Yeah, they had the opportunity to improve upon it.

Yeah, there were a lot of elements that were better. What do you think now? Do you watch The Orville? No. I'm actually really impressed with Seth MacFarlane. He did a whole episode about detransitioning kids that were forced to transition. And like, like spoiler alert, I guess,

for those that don't want to hear it because it was like a couple weeks ago. But they did an episode where one of the planets in the union was ejected because they were forcing kids to transition. It's like, it's a crazy, I'm like, I can't believe

he wrote this stuff. But like, as long as he's willing to write these stories, maybe some of these people who follow him, because he's very Democrat, might actually be exposed to some other ideas. Basically, the plot was

on their planet, they don't allow women. They force transition them to male. And then this kid grows up and is like, this is not what I'm supposed to be. And then there's like a conflict with the traditions of the planet that want to transition kids. The kid detransitions and then the planet is trying to stop like their smugglers rescuing these kids

from being forced to undergo sex changes. It's crazy that he wrote this story and then they've done two episodes on it. Yeah. Yeah, but I can promise you I could totally be wrong. I'm betting that that's his vision of like the smugglers with the blue states and the planets, the red states. I don't, you know, some people have said he's trying to make a story about why kids should transition.

But I'm like, I don't know about what you think he's thinking. All I know is he did a show where they forcefully transition a baby. Seth MacFarlane literally says you can't perform a sex change on a baby. That's unethical. And then they've got several episodes now where they're trying to stop minors from undergoing sex changes. So I'm like, you'd think you'd be canceled heavily for getting into that territory. My friends, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you do like it, become a member at TimCast.com to support our work.

It is the weekend. Tomorrow, Ian and I, Carter, several other people, including Adrian Norman, Pete Parata, we are going to be filming a music video. I'm really, really excited for this. It's going to be really, really cool. So that'll be a lot of fun. Follow the show at TimCast IRL. You can follow me at TimCast. Tucker, you want to shout anything out?

No. Nothing? You got social media? I mean, you can tuckermax.com or whatever. I'm on social, but yeah. Right on, man. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for having me.

I'm Hannah Clare. You can find me on Instagram at hannahclare.b. And you can find me, of course, on timcast.com with Chris Carr, the controversial opinion writer and executive editor. Follow me at iancrossland.net. Get through to my socials from there. Hit me up anywhere on any network. And I was on Pop Culture Crisis earlier today.

If you haven't seen the episode yet, you can watch it on YouTube at Pop Culture Crisis. Tucker, it was really good to meet you, man. That was really profound. Especially just talking about the MDMA and psychological therapy. I think it's a huge part of the story moving forward. Thanks for coming, man. Yeah, my pleasure. Bye, everyone.

And Chris is here. Thanks for watching. Check out other shows, Pop Culture Crisis. And we'll be back Monday with another episode. We got, I just want to say this. Monday is going to be one of the best episodes we've ever had. I'm super excited for who's coming. We normally don't announce the guest. We don't want to say this. Monday is going to be one of the best episodes we've ever had. I'm super excited for who's coming. We normally don't announce the guest, so I don't want to jinx it,

but you guys are going to be so excited. I am honored. It's an honor and a privilege. So just stay tuned for Monday, and we'll see you all then.