Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #599 - Fauci Announces RESIGNATION, GOP Says He Fears Investigations w/Joe Ladapo

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

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Anthony Fauci has announced his resignation and he announced it early. About a month ago, he said he was going to resign at the end of Joe Biden's first term. Now he's going to be resigning in December. He says he's not retiring, though. He's going to keep working just, you know, not in government. Republicans have responded that this has a lot to do with potential investigations coming after the midterm elections. And I think that's probably right. Now, we actually struggled with what to do with potential investigations coming after the midterm elections. And I think that's probably right.

Now, we actually struggled with what to lead with. I think, you know, Fauci announcing his resignation. Fauci has announced his resignation. What is this? Oh, that might be coming from me. Is it? Ian? Did you hear that?

Ian, what are you doing? I'm an animal. I don't know what I'm doing. He's watching the show. The YouTube's screwing up. He's watching frying eggs. Ian turns his volume all the way up. All right.

So we were actually struggling with, um, uh, which story to lead with because there's another story. Two bombs were planted in West Virginia. One of the federal courthouse and one of the church, the bomb squad showed up and detonated the device in the federal courthouse. We don't know.

Uh, we don't know exactly why or what happened. There's some other news too. Donald Trump is suing to block the FBI from reviewing seized materials. According to, uh, some people who worked in the Trump administration, they believe that these materials are related to the Russiagate investigation, which makes a lot of sense. And we've also seen reporting that the FBI group that went after these documents was the same group that actually led the Russia collusion FBI investigation.

So it sounds like things are pretty corrupt across the board. We got a lot of stuff to talk about. This is crazy. Plus the assassination of Alexander Dugan's daughter. Man, what a Monday, I guess. Wow. Before we get started, my friends, head over to timcast.com to become a member. If you'd like to support our work, we are going to have a members only show coming up for you at 11 PM. And this one's going to be very good. We're going to get in deep details about COVID and vaccines. So first, let me say, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.

And the after show is going to be particularly important because we are being joined by the Surgeon General of Florida, Joe Latipo. Thank you. I'm very happy to be here with you tonight. So do you want to give a brief introduction on who you are, what you do? Yeah, sure. My name is Joe Latipo. I am the Surgeon General of Florida. Prior to that, I was a professor at UCLA. And prior to that, I was a professor at NYU. And I'm a physician. I'm a researcher. I have a background in research. And I mostly did research. And I took care of

patients at UCLA Ronald Reagan Hospital in West Los Angeles. And I've enjoyed my position as the Surgeon General of Florida. And we'll talk more about some medical health issues at some point, I think. Perfect timing. I mean, we book you, and then Fauci announces he's resigning. He may have resigned because you booked me. The temperature's getting warmer. When Joe walked in, I'm like, my wrist is kind of screwed up because I was skating.

And then he's like, let me see. Actually, as a doctor, take a look at my wrist. So this guy's a real doctor. Glad you could be here. Tim promised not to sue. That's right. All right. Glad you're here. We also have Hannah Clare Brim right. Well, yeah. All right.

Glad you're here. We also have Hannah Claire Brimelow. Hi, I'm Hannah Claire Brimelow. I'm a writer for timcast.com. That's it. What's up, everybody? Ian Crossland here. Happy to be here.

Good to see you. Let's get rolling. We also got Chris Poole. Hi, I'm Chris. Lydia's not on vacation. She's getting, wait, is it public why she's off today?

Yeah, she posted it online for surgery. Oh, okay. She's got surgery. I'm like, wait, am I today? Yeah, she posted it online. Oh, okay, she's got surgery. I'm like, wait, am I going to announce that she's getting surgery and no one knows? Getting her wrist fixed. Yeah, see, I fell and hurt my wrist and I ignored it. And now it's like a month later and it's still messed up. But I'm like, whatever, I can still use, I can still type and play the guitar and everything.

And the doctor over here took a look at it and it seems okay, right? Did I stay ready that he promised not to sue if I misdiagnosed him yeah you know Tim should have he should probably have a brace he should probably

get some physical therapy you guys need to tell his mom so that you know someone can make him do it get Joanne fired up I think Lydia did

the more responsible thing she went to the doctor and they were like we need to give you surgery and then I'm just kind of like it just kind of pops up when you investigated his wrist what was it

was it a little like swollen tender what did you surgery. And then I'm just kind of like, it just kind of pops up. When you investigated his wrist, what was it? It was a little like swollen, tender. What'd you, what'd you notice? He doesn't have any swelling, but he's got some laxness in, in some of his wrist joints. And he probably just needs to kind of have it immobilized.

So really, um, that, that's probably part of the treatment plan for him. Yeah. Joe doesn't like that answer. You're not arthritic when you're 10 years. We got a music video coming out on Friday.

Now is not the time to immobilize my wrist. You submerge it and let it just float in the tub. Does that help? You can be like a doctor and be a bad patient. You can wear the wrist brace and then take it off to play guitar and skateboard. And then when you come into the doctor's office, say that you've been adherent. So that's how doctors are. I put the wrist brace on when I am skating.

Okay. Yeah, so I was skateboarding earlier, and I always wear the wrist guard. And I actually fell on it, and I'm glad I was wearing the wrist guard. Okay. Yeah. And then when I'm doing the bigger ramps now, I started wearing a helmet because I started thinking about it

and I'm like, I've never hit my head in my life, but it would kind of suck for everybody who worked here if I hit my head and they lost their jobs. So I'm like, yes,

I'm really opposed to this. I would personally like it if you wore a helmet every time. Me and your mom are like, Tim, put a helmet on. My mom's like, my son's in danger.

And Hannah is like, my job's in danger. No, no. I mean, I don't want you to get hurt, but also, like, I like working at this super cool news site called TimGast.com. I kind of need you to be there. Let's jump

to this first story from the National Review. Anthony Fauci plans to step down in December. That's it. He wrote a big, long thing saying, I will be leaving these positions in December of this year to pursue the next chapter of my career. He's 81. What's the next chapter of your career? I mean, I'm trying to be a dick or anything, but it's like, bro, get your rocking chair, sit on your porch, rock back and forth with a nice sweet tea and

enjoy your sunny days, man. But he's saying he's still got a lot to do. Now, the big thing here is, let me see if I have it pulled up. Newsweek writes, Fauci resigning out of fear of GOP investigations, say Republicans. In December, Fauci will forfeit his roles as the chief of the NIAID Laboratory of Immunoregulation and President Joe Biden's chief medical advisor, saying he wants to pursue the next chapter of my career. Republicans believe Fauci is leaving government due to the possibility that the GOP will take control of the House in November. Quote, Dr. Fauci is conveniently resigning from his position in December before House Republicans have an opportunity to hold him accountable for destroying our country over these past three years. The Republican rep Andy Biggs of Arizona tweeted, adding that Fauci will be held accountable

whether or not he remains in public office. This guy is a coward. Well, maybe that's the case. But if he's not actively in government, and they start investigating him, it won't disrupt whatever those those institutions are actually doing. So either way, this is this move will absolutely help Joe Biden's administration over the next couple of years and the NIAID. But I'm curious, Joe, considering you're actually I mean, Surgeon General, you're like the top doctor of Florida, right?

As crazy as it sounds. I mean, I have to pinch myself. I am literally the top doctor of Florida, which is kind of nuts. Well, what do you think about this? You think his resignation is just career stuff? What do you think about Fauci? Well, you know, I think Dr. Fauci is a creepy guy, to be totally honest. He gives me the creeps. I think that he is enigmatic of a physician who is really more of a politician and more about sort of agendas than about health.

I mean, that's been very obvious with how he handled the pandemic. Not a single word, right? You have a condition where obesity is a major risk factor. Did he ever say, hey, Americans, by the way, you know, lose weight if you're overweight, get some exercise. I didn't hear that out of his mouth. He did once say vitamin D, though. He did say vitamin D is important. He did say that once and he said that once. Never again. Right. Yeah. That is the creepiest thing to me about a lot of this is that during the pandemic, people had pointed out quite extensively vitamin D, getting sunlight, getting exercise, getting fresh air, and these things were really important. But this was never

the official guidance. It was never the narrative. In fact, it was quite the opposite. Stay inside. Don't go outside. In big cities, they locked everybody in their homes. Yeah, no, absolutely. And there's some controversy over vitamin D, but it's not killing anyone. So it was the right thing to do.

What's the vitamin D controversy? Well, vitamin D is very mysterious because there is study after study that shows that if you have low levels of vitamin D, you're at higher risk for everything. Depression, high blood pressure, cancer, you name it, infection. But the clinical trials have not usually shown what the other studies have shown. Not all of them though. Some of them have shown a reduction in infection actually with vitamin D pre pandemic. But again, it's, it's very interesting. The studies go both ways. And what, what gets me actually is that, you know, maybe it doesn't work, but there's like there's a class of doctors who are just rabid about trying to stop people from using medications that are low risk and, you know,

and are uncertain. They just want to keep saying, no, that doesn't work. No, that doesn't work. There's actually a I don't want to get too nerdy, but fluvoxamine is a medication that had a couple clinical trials that showed benefit in COVID. And I recommended it to patients because there was data. But another trial just came out that didn't find a benefit. And the writers at the New England Journal of Medicine slammed this medication. But the problem is the medication was dosed at like 50% of the dose that worked.

So how can you conclude that something doesn't work when you're not even dosing it right? But they're just crazy about concluding things don't work and telling people not to use stuff. What was the one you just mentioned? Fluvoxamine. Fluvoxamine. Fluvoxamine. What is that? Actually, it's a medication for anxiety.

And it just so happens that one of the ways it works is on a receptor that is also needed by the virus. So a few clinical trials have shown that it benefits people. So this is not an official treatment? It's not approved or anything like that? It's not an official treatment. The FDA actually reviewed it recently, and they decided not to give it the thumbs up. And, you know, that was criticized by some advocates of the, of the medication. And, you know, the FDA, it wasn't that they didn't make the right decision, but they took forever to make the decision. And this thing, we could

have had the answer to this like two years ago, literally, but there was, you know, there was very little interest in treatment during the pandemic, as many people know. I think there's several treatments that have become notorious, and YouTube explicitly bans people for advocating for things like that. The strange thing to me about a lot of it is, if the argument was always talk to your doctor, why is it that if a doctor recommends something publicly, it's unacceptable and it's bannable? Look, I understand this. There's a lot of crazy people saying a lot of crazy things online.

And I can understand there's a fear that during a pandemic, someone's telling you to do something wacky or wild. And they want to control that, but you can't. That's the thing. You literally can't. You've got a bunch of doctors who are like, I'm a doctor. Here's what I recommend. And they're like, you're banned. And it's like, but Fauci's not practicing.

Is that correct? Like he wasn't practicing for 30 years? I don't think he still sees patients, certainly not actively or frequently. So the issue I take with Fauci over the past several years, notably during the peak of the pandemic, was the wishy-washiness, the flip-flopping, which he justified as, oh, the science is changing. Oh, gosh. He didn't justify anything.

That guy, I mean, he's so slippery and slick. He's completely dishonest. It's ironic that so many Americans trust him. And he is probably one of the least trustworthy doctors I've ever observed in my life. But he's not even, my understanding, not practicing for a very, very long time. He's a bureaucrat more than anything. Oh, that's for sure. But he's coming off on TV as if he is the expert.

And because of the things he says, you end up with these really weird tribalist positions where very famously early on he said, don't wear masks. Later on he said the reason they were saying that is because they needed the masks for the nurses and doctors, and it was more important they got it. And it was like, so which is it? Did the science change or were you aware and you didn't want people buying masks? Either way you cut it, he's dishonest. By the way, the science didn't change, but either way you cut it, he's dishonest because the thing is the clinical trials before the pandemic, almost all of them found no benefit from regular folks walking around with masks. I'm not talking about hospitals. I'm talking about walking around the city like you see or going to the grocery store wearing a mask. So that's what the studies showed. So the rationale behind- But that was his-

... him flipping or who knows. Then why did he change his position? That's a great question i mean you know he's what he said of course was that he was trying to save the masks for health care workers but how can you even believe i mean it's hard to well so i'll say this uh we we've had we've had conversations about masks before um we're we're outside of all of this pandemic stuff now so i don't't know where any like YouTube's policies sit on this stuff. But we've pulled up the CDC's website.

And it actually, it's not as crazy as a lot of, you know, there's the pro-mask people and the anti-mask people. It's actually decently, I mean, moderate when it comes to masks. Like the CDC said, there's a marginal benefit. It's decent enough that they would recommend it in some circumstances. Like the obvious thing I would say, you know, obviously if you're sick and you're wearing a mask, you're going to stop some coughing, sneezing and spitting on people and something like that. Right. Sure. But that's different from whether wearing a mask reduces the chance of someone else getting a virus. And even, you know, I get it, like the idea that you think something's going to work

and therefore it should work, but that's why we have clinical studies, right? Well, but the CDC on their website now says that there was a moderate reduction in like 70 different studies. At least this is the last time we pulled up this huge list of studies there. Yeah, I know. And so this is dishonest science because what, you know, I mentioned vitamin D earlier, right? So you've got your observational studies that always find a relationship where at the low levels and bad health outcomes. And then you've got your clinical trials that unfortunately most of the time haven't found

a benefit. Same thing goes for masks. They pull up these observational studies and they hang their hats on them. And the observational studies are finding these huge reductions. And they, and then they say, oh, look at this. The masks work great. And make those, everyone should wear them, including kids, like the most ridiculous part. I've got little kids myself. But then you look at the, we did, there were during the pandemic, there were at least two large clinical trials. One found zip zero, no benefit. The second one found the Denmark.

Pardon? Was that also an observational study? No, no, this was a clinical trial. Like this is, you know, you randomize people, you give, you know, and that's the gold standard for testing stuff, whether something actually works. That's how, you know, if it really works, then it should work in a clinical trial too. And one study found zero, no benefit. There was so much spin by the way, when that study came out by medical doctors trying to explain why there wasn't a benefit. The second study basically found no benefit. There was no benefit for a cloth mask,

zero, none whatsoever. For surgical masks, there was like a 10% reduction. So, you know, 12% versus 11% of people tested positive. Like this is the thing that they're letting people fight over in airports about. And then for young people, there was zero benefit whatsoever in the second study. So it's a big lie. I mean, it's not like they don't know what evidence is. That's what evidence is. Well, so let me pull up this from Los Angeles Daily News.

Mask mandate didn't work against COVID-19 in L.A., say doctors from USC and UCLA. Letter from doctor said masking had limited effect and it's best to stress vaccines. Other doctors still back masks. I think that one of the biggest problems we have right now is YouTube censorship policies. I mean, how do you even have a conversation on science if science changes if you're not allowed to discuss science changing? Dr. Fauci came out early on and said not to wear masks. He then came back later and said, okay, now wear masks. Now we have USC and UCLA saying the mandates didn't actually do anything to stop this. So my question is, how can YouTube set a censorship policy

when UCLA and USC has issued these statements like this, right? I mean, it's an untenable situation. You can't even have a public conversation about it. How are we supposed to address any of this stuff? How are we supposed to function as a society if that is how big tech is handling it? I totally agree with you. Their agenda seems more political from my perspective, from everything I've seen. And I think it's a pretty rotten system.

I think it's hurt people. It's not a business that's going very well for them in terms of regulating knowledge and opinions. Well, so where does Fauci go from here? What do you guys think? Go ahead. knowledge and opinions. Well, so where does Fauci go from here? What do you guys think? When I came in, I said, you know, what was the number one indication that of why someone is resigning is because they failed. I don't know if that's why he's resigning because he's now admitting defeat and failure. If he's realized I've come to the point in my career where I can no longer serve, I'm resigning, like doing the right thing. Maybe he's doing the right thing.

Probably write a book. I think he could do any number of things. He is entitled to, I think, the largest retirement package in federal history because he's the highest paid federal government employee. That's like a study from Open the Books or a report from Open the Books in December of 2021. I covered it for our site. So in some ways, it is interesting to me that he is not opting to retire because he'd still make a lot of money off of retiring. In some ways, to me, it's hard not to read vanity into this. Retiring means that you're old and retiring means that you like are no longer supposed to have an opinion. And right now he wields a lot of influence.

So if he retires, he is acting as if he's going to step back and he doesn't want to. I mean, this is the man who, while fighting the pandemic, filmed a documentary about himself with Disney. It doesn't seem like he knows where he wants to go, but he does not want to leave the limelight. And of course, that's subjective, although retiring does seem like a totally plausible option for him. He did, I think I was talking about this before the show, in July, there was this report from Politico. He'd done this interview and Politico reported that Fauci intended to retire at the end of Biden's administration. So that would be next December, not this one. And then the day after they published, he was like, no, I'm not going to retire. What do you mean? I didn't say that, even though they have him on record saying that.

So it seems like, again, this idea of retiring has a lot of fear for him. And whether it's because he thinks he opens the door for an investigation or it's vanity, it's hard to say. Are you saying that he could have stayed at the job longer and then retired and got a monetary package? Yeah, he's entitled to a government pension. And because he's been working for the federal government for, I think, four decades, it's very sizable. And even though he's resigning, is he still getting the same package? I believe he still has access to it. But again, he's not publicly retiring. And to me, that speaks to vanity. He doesn't want to seem like the old out of touch doctor.

I want to ask real quick, because I don't want to stick around on the subject too much, but I pulled up the CDC.gov and they mentioned, so explain to me what the studies mean. It says a large, this is from the CDC. The CDC still recommends wearing masks if you're going to be in large gatherings. It says a large, well-designed cluster, randomized trial in Bangladesh in late 2020 found that surgical or cloth mask distribution, role modeling and active mask promotion tripled mask use by 42.3% in intervention villages compared to 13, blah, blah, blah. In villages receiving mask interventions, symptomatic seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 was reduced by approximately 9% relative to comparison villages. In villages randomized to receive surgical masks, symptomatic seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2

was significantly lower, 11.1% overall. The results of the study show that even modest increases in community use can effectively reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections. So that sounds like they do. You know, like I was saying, you know, the CDC often says it's marginal 9% to 10%. I mean, that's good, though, right? So that's not good.

Like, so that 9% or 10%, so the seroprevalence that they mentioned. What does that mean, by the way, seroprevalence that they mentioned. What does that mean, by the way, seroprevalence? So they test people's blood for antibodies to the virus as an indicator of prior infection. Right. So nine or 10%, that's a relative reduction. So if you have the villages that get the masks and their seroprevalence is 12% and you have the villages that don't get the masks and their seroprevalence is 11%, that's a 10% reduction. Oh, 10% of 12 is one. Yeah, right.

That's some lazy. So that is what happened. That's what happened. That's what happened. And that, by the way, is just another, that's just an example of why doctors like myself and I think probably some of the other doctors you've had on your show are just fed up with the lies and the misrepresentation of science. That is exactly what happened. You're familiar with the study you're saying. Oh, yeah.

That's the second clinical trial that I mentioned. So this is not what the CDC says, though. I mean. They're saying that you went from 12% to 11%, and that was a significant. That shows that it makes a big difference. It doesn't mention the 12%. It just says that COVID, seroprevalence in villages with masks was reduced by 9%. In villages randomized to receive surgical masks, it was down 11.1 percent right right so that's a

relative reduction and i just happen to remember from reading the study that the seroprevalence it was in the teens right so there was like a one percentage point difference in the prevalence that's a fact i mean that's what, exactly. Yeah, because it sounds like it's going from 22% to 10%. It even gets worse. Go ahead. This is funny. It sounds like you're saying masks work.

Well, it actually gets worse than that. So we have a threshold in health policy and epidemiology and statistics for when we consider a difference as being significant, you know, it's kind of arbitrary, but that's how things work. So that threshold in that study, like if this is a threshold, right? Say we were checking, you know, say we were testing the effective exercise on heart disease, right? You know, if this is a threshold, you compare people that exercise with people who don't, like you're like way below the threshold.

It clearly is beneficial for health. The threshold for that study was right here. It was barely significant. They barely wreaked significance. I mean, that is an extremely weak finding. Well, I can only say, you only say the CDC still has on their website the recommendation and several studies, but I don't know how to reconcile that with the NewsGuard-certified Los Angeles Daily News saying that scientists, doctors from USC and UCLA saying that masking had a limited effect.

It sounds like they're saying more in line with what you were saying. In fact, you were at UCLA, I believe. I was at UCLA, and what they're saying is factual based on the data. Maybe they work a lot better, but that hasn't been shown from clinical trials. Is there evidence that if you have a dirty mask with, like, fecal, like just gross stuff that you breathe it in, that it will make you sick? I'm laughing at the fecal. I don't know why you went there.

Putrefactive bacteria. Let's talk about it. Well, if you have fecal stuff on your mask, you probably will get sick. Typhus? Halitosis? Well, you know, actually, there are some studies that show some evidence of harm, potential harm. You know, they don't get any media attention, but there are some studies that show harm. In fact, there was a clinical trial of cloth masks among doctors,

healthcare workers in Thailand. I think it was Thailand that was published years ago in the British Medical Journal, which is a very good journal. They compared cloth masks to surgical masks. And basically, the people in the cloth mask group got more infections. Like, it seemed that something about it seemed to increase their... Is it fair to say, though, you've got to be careful about, like, a single study that comes out? You know, you want to see it, the test, like, you want to see the results repeated? Absolutely, in science, absolutely. Absolutely. You mentioned observational studies.

How do those work exactly relative to a clinical trial? Well, a clinical trial is great because you bring people in and you say that, okay, these people, they're going to get the intervention. These people are not. And you follow them and you see what happens. I mean, that's the gold standard. Observational studies, you go around this room and you measure, let's say you measure, what's a good one for this room? Sugar consumption.

Let's do it. Yeah, okay. So you measure sugar consumption and you have each one of us go out and skateboard. Okay? So, you know, I don't know. Let's suppose that I don't drink, I don't have much sugar consumption, or energy drink consumption. Okay?

So you got guys like me who basically don't consume energy drinks. Say one of you guys do, and let's say that Tim consumes a lot of energy drinks. And then you go and see how well we skateboard, or we fill some survey that says how well we skateboard. And then you conclude that, hey, look at that. You drink more energy drinks, you're going to be a better skateboarder. That's how observational studies work. So they're not taking into account he might have been practicing skateboarding?

Right. Or I ate a burrito beforehand and you didn't. They could. And therefore, with that, you have different quality studies. Like some of them might be better. So I think, you know, with observational studies, you would need substantially more. And all you'd really do, it sounds like, is find anomalies, find things that maybe that you'd want to test further.

That's exactly right. You have to be very, very careful. Very, very careful. I mean, there's so many examples of misdirection from observational studies. In regards to vitamin D, which we brought up earlier, is there a difference? I've heard there's a difference in endogenous vitamin D and vitamin D that you take, meaning the vitamin D you get your body to produce naturally from sunlight causing it to happen as opposed to eating a vitamin D vitamin.

Is there a difference in the way it biochemically interacts? So, you know, biochemically, not sure. I mean, the process by which they, it's, you know, when your body creates vitamin D versus taking it from a pill, I mean, that is different biologically. But, you know, in terms of things like if you break your wrist or something and it's because you've got, you know, low bone density, whether you take supplemental vitamin D or you get more sunlight, the benefits of the vitamin D to your bones are going to be the same. But there are people who believe that there are differences in the effects from whether it's

sunlight or from a pill. I don't know that science well enough. We're going to do a very hard segue. They call that jerk. Brace yourselves. The subject is changing so hard. The next story we have, because I'll just mention this

for everybody. We're going to get into way more detail on all of this stuff at TimCast.com, the 11pm members only show, for a variety of reasons. Some of them are fairly obvious, but we're going to get into way more detail on all of this stuff at TimCast.com, the 11pm members only show, for a variety of reasons. Some of them are fairly obvious, but we're going to get into a lot of deep detail, especially with Florida's response and what Florida's doing. And then we've got some other stuff I want to talk about when it comes to medical practices in Florida

pertaining to trans kids, but we do have some breaking news that we put off for a little bit. We have this story from Metro News, West Virginia. Explosive devices reported at two locations in Bluefield. There were no injuries after the discovery of two explosive devices in Bluefield on Monday morning. West Virginia State Police, the Bluefield Police Department, and other law enforcement responded to a call at the federal courthouse in downtown

Bluefield around 940 a.m. Officers evacuated all people from the building and an adjacent department building as they dealt with the device. Apparently, they detonated. Police yelled, fire in the hole, before a loud boom was heard. It was destroyed around 1140 inside the federal building. An explosion was heard from the building. Another device was found at, I believe it's down here, Westminster Presbyterian Church in Bluefield, West Virginia. Bomb squad has arrived.

The reason I thought this story caught my eye, this story caught my eye and it's not really getting a lot of attention is someone put a bomb at a federal courthouse. I mean, we saw in 2020 the riots with the far left. They were attacking the federal courthouse in Portland. And then I saw it was West Virginia and West Virginia is MAGA country. You know, it's the second most Trump supporting state in the United States. So I wondered who or why would someone do this? Entirely possible. It's an isolated incident pertaining to local matters, and it's only getting national attention because of the tensions and the

conflicts that have been happening at the federal level or with the FBI, for instance. So we don't know for sure. Entirely could be local conflict. Or it could be, I mean, I'll just throw it out to you guys. What political ideology would attack a federal courthouse and a church? Well, I've been on high alert since Dugan's daughter. We might talk about this more later. That's the next one we're getting into. His daughter was killed in a car bomb, so there's this bombing theme in the last five days all of a sudden. I'm very concerned about false flags. This could have been someone from another country

that wants to instill agitation in the people's minds. And that it's a church and a courthouse? Like, I think... Two different buildings about a mile apart. Yeah, like, you don't have far-right religious zealots bombing churches ever, really. I mean, so that doesn't make... It doesn't seem like...

I am very hesitant to start blaming groups or ideologies for this because it could be anybody that wants to see chaos in the United States could be doing stuff like this. Fog of war, man. Yuri Bezmenov. Yeah.

I remember in the 1970s, there were a lot of environmentalist extremists who bombed federal buildings or federal lands. There is a suspect in custody. His name is Dean Fowler. He's 50 years old. I haven't had a chance to look into him too intensely.

I mean, there is the instinct, and I hesitate to tie it to any specific group, although it's incredibly disruptive. But there's also a chance someone had something personal. I was saying before the show that I wonder what was on the docket in the courthouse that day, and we looked it up. The church and the federal building are about a mile apart. So there's a question of why those two places because there's –

Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade. SCOTUS. I mean, there's anything. And a church. Or he knows a lawyer who was practicing, and he's mad at the priest down the street. It's very hard to tell without a ton of information. First and foremost, the most important thing.

It's small town West Virginia. So strong possibility. Guy, you know, the priest and his neighbor got into a fight. They have a court hearing for some reason. I don't know. It's a federal court. So that doesn't make sense, actually. There's no reason why a local dispute would go to a federal court.

It could be someone from outside the state would dispute this guy who was being sued interstate, so it's federal. It's possible, but I got to say, the memes I see all right now are Roe v. Wade. The federal courts, the Supreme Court, the federal court of this country, the big one. Why would someone go after a church in a federal court? Simple solution hypothesis, not saying we have any evidence of this is left wing. Yeah. I mean, it's typically not.

Well, I don't know. I don't know. It's scary stuff considering the escalation we've seen around the world and the United States. My first thought was when the news broke that it was a federal courthouse, that they were going to start saying it was trump supporters because of the fbi because they're going after trump and

because this judge this this uh this federal judge in florida is an epstein lawyer i don't know if you're familiar with this guy right yeah i mean yeah i've read the stories yeah and so i was thinking like maybe this is you know like the guy in ohio but then they found okay they said we found we found one at a church and i'm like like, okay, now that doesn't make sense. Like a Trump supporter is not going to put a bomb at a church. That's that they donate to the church, you know, if they were to do anything.

Right. And so then I saw, you know, I saw these memes on Facebook and they're calling it Rovember. They're saying Rovember, Roe v. Wade, November. Go out and vote November. Democrats, Roe v. Wade, the federal courts, the churches, the religious people.

And I'm wondering if this is just more likely to be at the very least, not saying we have evidence, but left wing radicalization and attacks. Why would it happen in literal MAGA country, though? It's just it's just weird. I mean, it's a sign of disruption. West Virginia is such an interesting state because it does have such a tie to the Democratic Party. It was a Democratic stronghold for a long, long time.

And so I think that native West Virginians, while they are often MAGA supporting, it's a more complex state than people give it credit for because they ultimately like every county in the state went for Trump. I do say like it's very hard to tell. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this had left wing ties. And again, I would really like to know what was going on in the courthouse today. The church is what's interesting to me because it feels more personal. Again, a mile away, a 20 minute walk. That means that you could have probably, I mean, it's West Virginia. There are probably four other churches within the vicinity. Why the Presbyterian one? Why that one specifically? And again, that goes back to it being specific to that community. You want to look? You can look, yeah.

No, I mean, this is the thing I can't reconcile, right? A local dispute with a local church but a federal courthouse? There wouldn't be a suit at the federal courthouse. Maybe someone at the church ratted out a guy and it's a criminal matter? I honestly don't know. They said that the suspect who's

in custody is going to undergo evaluation. So they might be arguing that there's some sort of psychological disturbance. But again, this is a functioning... Anybody who's putting a bomb anywhere is going to have a safe ride. A functioning bomb. They had to detonate this. They didn't go in and say, like, oh, this doesn't work or it's fake. They had to destroy it.

Is there knowledge about what the explosive was? Sometimes that can help you discern who did it. They didn't say. I haven't seen anything. But obviously, there's a reason why I bring this up. Civil War, right? Is this, you know, how old are you,

Joe? Can I ask? I am, you can ask. You don't seem to know. I'm 43 years old. Are you? Okay. You look so much. 79, baby. What month? My birthday.

Yeah, you too, dude. What month? I was born in December. Okay, April. Yeah. I was talking to a guy who was in his 60s, and he said that he was just a couple years shy of getting drafted into Vietnam. And then I said, so you saw the news reports about the weather underground?

And he's like, oh, yeah. And then I was like, is it worse now or was it worse then? He says, way worse now. Can't believe it. That's the media. A lot of it is because of the media. Because one bomb in central West Virginia now is global notoriety, whereas in the 70s it was like, good luck if you read about it in the paper the next day. Maybe.

It was more regional. And that could be it. And that's one of the things he pointed out. He said the issue is that everything is instantaneous these days. You know, back then something would happen. It would take a while for people to find out about it and react to it, whether that's an escalation or just, you know, generally learning about it. And so I think that's the important point. In the 70s with Weather Underground, something happens.

When did you learn it happened, right? Three days later, maybe it happens on a Friday. You don't watch the news until Monday and the Monday news report comes out. You're like, huh, today it's the moment it happens. The moment this story hit, like I'm seeing it. I mean, granted, it's my job, but for people who are on Twitter, you're learning about it right away. I think that actually does mean it's worse though. You know why? If it took a week, I mean, you go back to the revolutionary period. If it took a month or two months for someone in a different state to find out that someone got shot in a different state, they could not react to it or escalate because they didn't

know it happened. But now with social media and with instant communications, the moment it happens, you see a protest, right? Like you get a video of a dude being beaten by cops. later black lives matter is out on the street protesting that wasn't that would be possible without the internet without cell phones before before even before um even when we had cell phones that wouldn't have happened it was only after the iphone made it possible for people to pull up facebook and see community organizing instantly, did we start seeing that kind of phenomenon. So it could be 2007. Some cop beats a guy. Protests don't show up until the next day because people go home, get on the computer,

then learn about it, then show up the next day. Today, mass texts go out. So I'm wondering if our tolerance for violence is going down and it's not necessarily, I think violence is up, obviously murders are way up, but I'm wondering if relative to political conflicts, it's not as much violence that will trigger a civil war, civil conflict or something like that. It's a very interesting conversation. I think it's I'm calloused to this stuff. I've become calloused. I see it. It doesn't hurt as bad. I don't immediately believe that guy's the villain because I think I saw him punch him. I don't know what's going on. But the downside is when you're calloused, you can't really feel. I can't feel it. It's not making me snap to attention maybe like it should be. The downside is people are going to go nuts faster.

The upside is people can mobilize faster if there's a real emergency like some sort of flood or whatever. To tie this up, 10 churches closer to the courthouse than the Westminster Presbyterian Church, which is actually a little bit

farther away. Sorry, I didn't mean to tell you. That's a good point, though. But why a federal courthouse? Maybe somebody who works at the courthouse or lives locally goes to the church. I mean, I think you're still right that it could be tied to ideology, and they know they have access

to a federal courthouse in their town. Earlier, I pitched, like, well, we have to see how far the church is, because what if the church is outside? So when you evacuate the building, people come outside, and it's even more of a dangerous situation um i think when we just to tie it up back to what you're saying about the news cycle i think that these moments that feel like breaking news you

know for us because we're watching the news it is really interesting and for some people they'll remember it but they won't start to pay attention until there's a pattern until there's another federal courthouse in another small town in another part of America. And then it will start to seem like, oh, wait, is something going on? And at that point, we really have to ask ourselves, like, are we too late? Are we missing something that's really significant that's going on? One of the mistakes people make is when you hear stories about small rural towns being targeted in this way for whatever this was, they say, well, it's probably not political because why would they come to this small town? And it's like, okay, that's one way to think about it.

But we have seen Antifa go to small towns. We have seen riots in small towns. And the idea behind that is in order to inflict maximum terror, if you're engaged in political violence, you have to go to small towns because people feel safe when they're far away from the cities. to maximum terror, if you're engaged in political violence, you have to go to small towns because people feel safe when they're far away from the cities. If the riots and the attacks are happening in small towns, so that was the logic around why far left extremists were going to these towns.

It's the logic behind why a terrorist would attack a small town to make sure that everyone feels terrified of it. But I don't know. I mean, either way, this looks like terror. It was at a courthouse. I think that instantly qualifies it. A church, possibly, but a church could be, I suppose both could be personal, like a guy didn't like an employee at either of these places, but who knows? I'll put it this way. Let's jump to this next segment. We'll just say this. World War III is racing civil war. Because while we're hearing about stories in like West Virginia about bombs, we have this one, a murder in Russia.

I'm sure many of you have already heard. I believe it was Saturday, Saturday evening. Alexander Dugin's daughter was assassinated in a car bombing. Now, initially, they said it was meant for him. For those that are familiar with Dugin, he is a highly influential philosopher, nationalist in Russia. He's been referred to as Putin's brain or his spirit guide or the spirit guide of Ukrainian invasion, all of those things. Well, simultaneously, some have also downplayed his influence in the Russian government. He's not explicitly a member of Putin's inner circle or anything like that. The Atlantic writes about it. Why an assassination

in Moscow matters to Ukraine and the West by Tom Nichols. Oh, we love this guy, huh? He calls him a Russian fascist. The daughter of a prominent Russian fascist was killed in a car bombing in Moscow. Most Americans have no idea who the Dugin family is, but this event could have serious repercussions in Russia and Ukraine. So I don't want to jump the gun and say that this is World War III's Franz Ferdinand moment.

Franz Ferdinand was a royal family guy, right? The Archduke. Yeah. And so when they killed him, you pissed off someone's family member and then they all go to war with each other. This is like an influential guy and Russia's daughter. But then I want to point out, too, the counterpoint there is while well, for those reasons, it may not be the catalyst for an escalation. We're also in the influence era. We're in the influence economy.

So it is not necessarily politicians or royal family that have the most influence. Kim Kardashian has more influence than every single politician. And so someone who's that influential has more social credit than a politician, something affecting them will matter more. So the way I described it earlier today, if they had killed Dugin, I think the impact would have been substantially less. People in the Russian government would be like, this is horrifying. I can't believe they did this.

Instead, they killed Dugin's daughter, whoever did it. It was reported by Russian authorities. CNN repeated the reporting that they were observing the vehicle and remotely detonated. They chose to detonate it. It wasn't like she turned the car and it went off. Someone pressed the button. So presumably they knew it was her. This is substantially worse because Dugan is the man of influence.

And now all of that pain that he has will be channeled into the influence he uses and it will be heard over and over and over again by all of his followers and his followers that are in the government so this has now give him given him a reason to call for more war more retribution more anger and he will drive that you know to his followers on his i don't know on his on its face it looks like Ukrainians killed Dugin's daughter as retaliation for the war in Ukraine. But I was reading an article, and they were like, this is a textbook Russian false flag operation.

It could be a textbook Russian false flag operation. And then I started picturing a conversation between Dugin and Putin, and Dugin's like, I would give everything for this country, Vladimir, everything. And Vladimir's like, you would give everything? And he'sugan's like I would give everything for this country Vladimir everything and Vladimir's like you would give everything and he's like yeah I would and then Putin's like all right well then I'll kill his daughter because he just he and I don't even feel guilty about it because he already said he'd sacrifice everything for it so there reportedly he has said things about sacrificing everything for the cause and things like that. But to this extent, I would just say it is the simple solution that they blew up his car and it was the wrong person. It's the simple solution that this guy is a nationalist, powerful influencer, and they wanted him gone. I mean, he's an influential guy. I mean, people in the West

have interviewed him. His ideas have spread all across Europe. Not saying they're completely dominant across Europe, but a lot of people have listened to this guy. And if you take a look at the right wing, the expansion of right wing nationalism across Europe, well, there are certainly many people who don't like nationalism or the right who would look at him as one of the key components of pushing those ideas. So Occam's razor, Occam's razor would suggest in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions, that's it. Anti-internationalist forces, probably Ukrainian, targeted him in Moscow, killed his daughter. I'll put it this

way too. The reason it's simple solution that it's Ukraine. I'm not trying to blame them to call them any names or anything, but to point out it's probably them. When you are the weaker fighting force, typically you see these groups engage in more terroristic activities and targeted assassinations and things like this, because it's the best they could do in the conflict. For Russia, they're looking at a conventional war. You go in, send in the tanks, send in the troops, drop the bombs. For Ukraine, which is, I think, like the poorest country in Europe, and it's like the only country to get poor after the fall of Soviet Union, they're thinking, we have to do whatever it takes.

And we don't have much capabilities. Guerrilla warfare it is. Hit them in Moscow. That seems to make more sense. It's the simplest solution, for sure. But in war propaganda, they will use the simplest solution against you to make you think that that's what it is. I think if they had assassinated Dugan outright, they would have risked a more serious retribution

from Putin. I disagree. Well, my thought here is that his daughter, Dugan's daughter, was involved in his influence. And she was also seen like not on the international level that she was, Dugan's daughter, was involved in his influence. And she was also seen, like, not on the international level that she was, but within the country, she is an advocate for his policies and beliefs. So in some way, they are maybe

effectively hurting the morale of the Russian people by choosing to detonate the car when she was in it as opposed to him, while still being able to, like, say it wasn't quite as aggressive as outright right detonating you know this person who has tremendous influence in a relationship with the nation's president the one thing that i would say that is a counterpoint that suggests it may actually be a false flag or you know russians doing this because we actually have a story here let me pull this up from the daily mail car bomb attack on

putin's rasputin who vladimir deemed uncontroll, has all the hallmarks of a Russian GRU execution because military spy group often include a target's family. I don't see why they would go after Dugin, they're saying, because the Kremlin deemed him unruly. The one thing I would say that makes me think it could be a false flag, although I don't think it is. Getting his daughter was the worst possible thing you can do in terms of escalation. So to disagree with you a bit, Dugan's voice would be lost if he died. If your goal was to amplify his message of nationalism and get a martyr, you'd go after his daughter. Because now you've got a martyr, someone who holds the same ideas as him, who speaks the same ideas, who is considered by the West a propagandist, who is considered by

Russia as a journalist. You get your martyr. You keep Dugin's voice. You amplify Dugin's voice with a major story about how he's now a victim targeted by the excesses of the West. Now you've exemplified his message, amplified his message, and created a martyr all at the same time. It's the worst possible thing for escalation. Well, unless you're Putin and you want to get the Russian people excited about attacking Ukraine,

because if they think- That's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think it's true. Look, I'm seeing a lot of these Democrats. They're like, he killed his own daughter. And I'm like, that's nuts. That's crisis actor level conspiracy nonsense. Sorry, dude.

Unless you can come out and show me a video of him planting the bomb or whatever, I'm not going to believe he killed his own daughter. That's insane. I'm picturing Putin going to Alexander and being like, I'm so sorry about your daughter. And then making full eye contact and Alexander knowing that Putin killed her and just looking at him like, thank you, sir.

And they both know. That just seems too Hollywood to me. me exactly i don't think that that's realistic i think in some ways we believe that vladimir put putin and for good reason is like uh an intense leader who has committed crimes that like the west finds horrifying but i don't think that there would be any benefit especially if we already think this guy is unruly then like being like and then i killed your daughter like they could deemed him unruly how do we know he's not going to flip and be like i hate putin now you know what i mean like it it doesn't do anything for putin to try and antagonize or play with a variable that isn't dependable if they really do believe he's unruly i think that

i mean the most to me the most straightforward answer is like this was an attempt at assassination i haven't read enough to know where dugan was in relation to the car was even there like to me it makes more sense that they are trying to both be aggressive and also passive aggressive at the same time and they see as as taking out his daughter as an aggressive move without, while still being able to say, well, we're not the aggressors in this war. So to your point, Ian, you're saying, it's like you're imagining Putin looking me in the eyes

and it's very Hollywood-esque. My counterpoint to that would be the reality is likely some fat middle-aged Ukrainian dude with a couple of bombs, like waddling over to the car and then like slapping it with duct tape and then walking away

and then waiting for it again and then pressing a button and going, oh, and then like running away. Like scraggly dudes. No, like, I'm not imagining, you know,

Spetsnaz like commandos like going in and like the earpieces and they're like, do it. And then it's probably, it's roguish. It's guerrilla stuff.

It's probably like hobo looking dudes, you know, who are angry, who are zealous. Probably Ukrainian. And there are a fair number of Ukrainians who have gone to Russia since the start of the war. So there is a Ukrainian population within the country. I mean, I assume some are there because they want to be and some are there maybe because they had to go. But it, Russia is not insulated from having Ukrainian actors be within its boundaries. I will not decide.

I don't even like the word probable now because war fog is so – it's ripe for disillusionment, and you want to trick people, and you want to create that. So the most obvious answer a lot of times in war is not the right answer. The open field that looks like the best path is probably the kill zone, so you don't want to go through it kind of thing. And I'm going to wait and see if they use this as a reason to go harder in Ukraine, then that's like, well, what? Russia is saying Ukraine did it.

Of course. Someone just superchatted in the pale moonlight, Tim. Do you guys know what that's a reference to? No? No? No Star Trek fans? Poor Shane. Deep Space Nine, in the pale moonlight,

brilliant television. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, it's like a 30-year-old show, but I'm going to spoil it for you. Benjamin Sisko is the commander of an outpost for the Federation, the Star Trek.

A war breaks out. The Federation, which is the main characters, are being defeated by, they're slowly being pushed back and they're losing the war to the Dominion. There's another race called the Romulans. And they're typically, there's an armistice between the Federation

and the Romulans. They hate each other. They go to them and say, you have to join the war on our side. Otherwise, after we're defeated, the Dominion will come and crush you. And they're like, no, they won't. And we don't care. We can handle ourselves. So the commander stages a false flag where he blows up a senator in a spaceship and plants evidence to make it seem, I could be getting this wrong, but something like this makes it seem like the Dominion did it, forcing the Romulans to join the war on the side of

the Federation. Now that we've gotten the fictional fun writing out of the way, there's a very real possibility that the goal here was a false flag and it was to rally the Russian people saying, look, they killed this young woman. She was 29 years old. They're targeting our children. This is horrible. We need your support in this war. And depending on what you read, Western propaganda says Ukraine's winning. Eastern propaganda says Ukraine's losing.

Who knows, man? It's a dog of war. It's an emotional assassination. That was not a tactical assassination. That didn't take out a leader or a military commander or any of that. And car bombs are crude. Yeah, super crude and a lot of collateral damage it was not a surgical maneuver well i'm i'm shocked that they would claim that anyone has done it that they would deign to act like they know who did it and if they do know who did it how do they know who did it i want to know it doesn't matter and that's want to know. It doesn't matter. And that's ultimately what it comes down to.

It doesn't matter who did. You know why? Because in the East, they're going to say, in Russia, in China, they're going to say it was the Ukrainians. It was NATO. In the West, they're posting all over Twitter that it was a false flag, that Dugan killed his own daughter, because they have to. Because both sides have to.

There's a narrative they have to keep up. Yep. And in the end, we'll just be left wondering what actually happened. The good news is, whoever wins will tell us. For sure. Honestly. They'll give us the whole story. They'll write the history for us, the history books, and then they'll let us read them.

With all the details. Don't even worry about it. Do you think that the Russians are going to just end up taking the eastern part of Ukraine, get access to the Red Sea, and then it'll be over? I don't know. What's your opinion as a doctor? As the Surgeon General of Florida, tell me about your opinions on Russia and Ukraine. I agree that the part that is interesting, wouldn't it be nice to actually know what happened?

Yes. I'd love to know. Of course, it doesn't even end with this, right? There's so many examples in history where it's still unclear what exactly happened, who gained, who lost, who was behind, sort of who was pulling the strings to create a series of events. It certainly does have the feel of that, that not an accident. I mean, it could have been, and I agree that that's sort of the simplest answer, Occam's razor.

But boy, it seems awfully dastardly to just have a simple explanation. Let's jump to another hard segue and jump back to the medical stuff. It was a bit tough, I'll just, you know, as an aside, because we've got, you know, obviously big stories with Fauci's resignation, but also the war. And they're, like, very distinct. And so, like, trying to segue between them is not really possible. But we'll jump to this one from the Post Millennial. Seattle Children's Hospital offers medicalized gender transition to nine-year-olds. Quote, we accept new patients ages nine to 16, the site reads, patients ages 17 and older, and patients who have not yet started puberty will be directed

to community resources. This is part of a longstanding story, a long chain of stories. Boston Children's Hospital, big controversy surrounding that. The media claiming there's threats going their way. You've got, I think now, a hospital in Chicago performing these transitions for minors. And now we have the latest story from Postmillennial that Seattle is doing the same thing. I know that there was recently a board review in Florida. The medical board did a review of sex change operations for children and medical and other transitions. I probably should throw it to you, Joe. You probably know better. What's going on with Florida as it pertains to child gender transition?

Well, you know, Florida is taking an unequivocal stand that is just there with the data. It's not very dissimilar. It's actually worse in terms of evidence. You know, we had the mass discussion previously, at least a study showed, you know, a reduction from 12% to 11%, which is a 10% reduction. I mean, if, if you really think that that's enough to force people to do things, you know, we can have a conversation about that. But in this case, the data, you know, the data are even, they're just, they're incredibly weak. I mean, there's basically, and it speaks to dishonesty. So the CDC quotes that extremely unimpressive mask study and says, oh, this shows that you can actually reduce community transmission. And so, you know, which like to someone who looked at it,

they would say that doesn't make sense. In this case, it's the same thing. The data, you know, people, advocates say that, oh, this is the standard of care and it helps people, you know, it makes them less likely to commit suicide and things like that. But the data actually don't show that at all. So we did a members-only segment where we read detransitioner statements. And there were a lot of teenage women, because I think it's like overwhelmingly teenage girls who are getting these surgeries, double mastectomies and things like that.

At least there was actually one study from the NIH we pulled up showing that 90% of what they reviewed were double mastectomies on females. And the average age, I think, was like 15 or something like that. So we read these stories where they're suicidal. It's horrifying. Go ahead. No, no, no. I mean, the idea here is I think there's something happening.

I do. I think gender dysphoria is real. I think there are kids who are transgender. And I think we have to pay attention to – there was one article I read last week from Psychology Today. A PhD researcher saying we know that phthalates and PCBs are hormone disruptors. He cited a study showing that certain birth control had a masculinizing effect on female fetuses, on their brains, and it resulted in women who preferred the company of women and did not prefer child rearing and things like that.

And so that point was there's an environmental factor coming from the chemicals and the pharmaceuticals we use that is likely contributing to this. I think that's true. I mean, I think even Alex Jones has pointed that out. He was mocked for it when he mentioned, talked about atrazine. And so I think the result there is, okay, we need to figure that out, stop that. But this does mean they're going to be trans kids. And how do we effectively solve for this problem? How do we make sure these kids are going to be happy healthy not suicidal and the issue seems to be the the accepted medical treatment across the country united states is at odds with what europe is now doing with the scandinavian countries who have rejected all of this stuff and the end result for a lot of these people i'm not saying all of them we're seeing them post online saying after undergoing these surgeries and these

medical treatments they are worse than they were before. That's a scary outcome. And we want to prevent that. We want to make sure that kids who are suffering from dysphoria or whatever the issue may be, hormone disruptors, be it the case, how do we help them when you've got these extreme policies that are all going in one way and ignoring the science that we can see in other places? No, it's a good, it's a great summary. And,

and you're absolutely right. There are definitely boys who think, feel like they're girls, girls who feel like they're boys. That's, that's like, that's nothing. There's nothing new there,

but that's a different, and I agree with you, right? Understanding, trying to do what we can to understand why that is. That's an important goal, but that is a different issue than what to do about in terms of medical or surgical therapies and standards of professional

care. And that's the issue that Florida is focused on and standards of professional care. You know, it's just, I've actually, I mean, I, you know, before this, like, I was a mainstream doctor, researcher, very mainstream, right? And I did, fortunately, I did well, but there was nothing controversial about me. And since COVID, it's just opened my eyes to examples of medical organizations just completely misleading people and essentially in some cases lying. In this particular case, at the end of the day, you have experimental therapies, right, that are not vitamin D. Like these are serious. And real quick, not FDA approved treatments for these kids. I'm not sure that, I mean, I don't know that the FDA authorizes medical therapies. They certainly authorize drugs and devices, but I don't think that they authorize medical

My understanding is, correct me if I'm wrong, I think you know this, Lupron is not FDA-approved. It's off-label use as a puberty blocker. That's what I have heard. I don't know if I'm correct there. It isn't... I believe that's correct. Yeah, it's approved for some cancer treatments. This is really fun to point out. have heard. I don't know if I'm correct there. I believe that's correct. My point is this is really

fun to point out. Lupron is... Someone want to check that real quick? I want to make sure we get this right. Because my understanding is it is an off-label use as a puberty blocker in kids. Yeah, off-label is not actually... That's not a big deal. Doctors can prescribe things off-label

and they do it all the time. Except there are some things you can't. What does off-label mean? Well, off-label means that the FDA, when they approve a drug, they approve it for specific indications. If a drug company wants to expand the indications, they have to provide data, give it to the FDA, and the FDA has to approve it for that new indication. So that's how that works. It runs off-label for- It's off-label. So my point here is, and without mentioning any other treatments other than this,

because we don't, you know, my point is, there are mainstream narratives that if you mention off-label use on some drugs, you're a dangerous conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, the narrative from the establishment is to actively promote this particular off-label use, which we are seeing ramifications of, and they're kind of devastating for a lot of these kids. So ultimately, I think you mentioned it, the hypocrisy, the lies, and all that. It's all here.

My question is, what is Florida doing differently? And so I guess I wanted to get this very much at the beginning. I watched the live stream where the medical board was discussing this. What ended up happening with that? Well, the medical board, basically, you know, their task that day was to decide whether they were going to take on the issue. Because right now, essentially, it's an unregulated space, right? You've got different centers, you know, who are, there you go, Seattle Children's Hospital, nine years old, right? Some hospitals, they may not see patients until they're 14 or 15. Some refuse to do surgery or say they're not going to do surgery unless they're at least 18. So different, you know, different practices at different places. And

the board of medicine in Florida said that they were going to look at that. And the goal really from my, in my, in my opinion should be that they, that they stop these therapies in children who are under 18, unless there's evidence. And I'll just say really quickly, right? People make things so complicated and confusing at the end of the day, right? You've got high risk procedures, right? Puberty blockers when the brain is developing at a young age, sex change operations, mastectomies, the risk of infertility, sterility, high risk, not vitamin D, not other off label drugs. And you've got uncertain benefit. no one knows people will tell you with a straight face that they know it's going to help they don't know that not just that we have

37 000 almost 40 000 people on a forum detrans where there are prominent posts every day yeah of people saying they are suicidal now i don't want these people to feel that way. I want them to be happy and healthy, and we ought to figure out how to help them, and this certainly is not resulting in that. Well, there was a woman who spoke at the Florida Board of Medicine during the public comment section. Her name was, I think, Sophia Galvin, and she specifically talked about her experience as a minor being encouraged.

I don't want to say encouraged, but when she decided that she wanted to transition, her school was supportive. She was the president of their LGBT community. She was encouraged to undergo a mastectomy. She went on years of testosterone and was not happier afterwards and through spiritual and personal growth ultimately decided to detransition and is now a really strong advocate against this. I thought her testimony there was really powerful. I think you're totally right. I mean, it was interesting to me that when it was, I think the American Academy of Pediatrics decided to sort of block the issue. They had doctors saying that they wanted to talk about it and they suppressed the motion. All of the doctors there are pointing to studies from Europe that were like, look, I think it's Finland just went back to saying the

first treatment for minors who are experiencing gender dysphoria is to go through psychotherapy. It's not to intervene medically. There's a tremendous amount of gaslighting. Sweden, this year released, they've been doing this for years, longer than we have in the United States, these gender transition therapies. They released a, their equivalent of sort of the NIH released a new guidance this year. And they said, they're not going to do it anymore for, for children because they just didn't know whether they were doing more harm than good. And they literally said that, but you have doctors in, in some in Florida who say that no we know better And you know we're helping every patient that we see who undergoes this I think

Have you have you read about? Endocrine disruptors and hormone disruptors sure assuming you have yeah, there was one article that I read that kind of went viral Mentioning I mentioned it earlier There was a birth control women would take it and in the rare chance of taking it, they still got pregnant. It was having a masculinizing effect on their fetuses. And if it was a female, it was causing issues. I think when you look at the great words of Alex Jones, they're turning the freaking frogs gay. But to get more specific and not play the silly game, he was talking about, I think it's a pesticide called atrazine. We've talked about this before. There was a study, this was like 10 years ago, I think, showing that it was interfering with the endocrine systems of frogs,

turning ovaries into testes, testing into ovaries, causing a population collapse. And Alex pointed that out. I see stories like that, and I'm like, yeah, we've long known that there are like hormones in our drinking water in cities and plastics are leaching into our water. Or, you know, some people have argued that soy is doing these things, although I'm not sure that's correct, but okay. There's, there's probably serious hormones and hormone disruptors being consumed and affecting kids who are developing. So when Bill Maher says they're in California, they're not in Ohio, either we're shaming them or creating them,

I'm like, the argument from Bill misses a big picture there. I mean, it's a fair point. He's like, how come in Ohio there's not a lot of trans kids in California? There is.

It sounds like he's making the point that it's trendy in California, and it probably is. But my point here is, it could be that California uses specific chemicals in agriculture that Ohio doesn't. And it is causing these children to become, you know, have hormonal imbalance or disruption in utero, which results in trans kids. That's something we absolutely need to talk about considering the science is there to show that's a possibility. So that being said,

I think what we're seeing is a mix. I think we're probably seeing a natural phenomenon of people who are transgender. I think that probably naturally exists in humans to some degree. I think we're seeing a large uptick in trans kids, probably because of the pesticides, the chemicals, the pharmaceuticals, as these other studies have pointed out. And I also think we're seeing social trends, which affects some kids. So the problem is if you approach this with a one size fits all, start with the surgery, then you're going to wrap up kids who do not need this and create suicidal teenagers. We probably need to approach this and figure out what is the underlying cause of the gender dysphoria in this child. Is it a social

issue or is it a naturally, you know, a developmental issue? I hear you. And I think that it's definitely an interesting scientific question, but I think it's probably not the priority. I hear your example. You know, the problem is, right, you look at it, and I totally agree with you. Frankly, you know, I mean, we try and eat organic as much as possible, but it's really sad how much junk, like poison really, in terms of some of the pesticides. And some of them are hormone disrupting, and some of them increase the risk of cancer. They get into food.

And then you've got, you know, their financial interests that try and maintain the use of these chemicals. But you look at Europe, and my understanding is that they don't use, they don't narrowly use nearly the type of, um, the intensity of pesticides that we use. And they have also seen in some areas, the same explosive growth in terms, particularly in girls who feel like they should be boys. So I, you know, I, I, I, I hear you. And I think that area is important, but I don't think that's what, you know, that's not what the focus ought to be on. You think it's social impact? I think it's likely that there's a substantial social component, and it's, you know, the curves in terms of the growth, it's just not really consistent with, like, for example,

one of the things that's been noticed is that the age of puberty was changing, right? It was getting lower for different age groups. And that was sort of a gradual process. And that's kind of how biological processes tend to be, right? They're sort of gradual. This has not been gradual. This has been explosive. And that argues less for a biological mechanism and at least a substantial part of the growth.

But it could be that there's a critical mass of phthalates or like pesticides. We somehow reached a critical mass. We're like, you can eat salt, but if you get too much salt, it will kill you. Like you can't do over salt, it will destroy your body. So like if now the levels of phthalates are we just hit the ceiling of what we can handle, maybe. I'm not trying to prescribe a treatment based on the idea. What I'm simply trying to say is that, for one, I oppose sex changes for kids. I think you've got to be 18 before you start doing this stuff.

There is a question about the limits on when government can intervene to stop parents from engaging in certain medical treatments. But at a certain point, you know, I'm just like values over where, you know, my values are we don't give kids sex change surgeries. It's just that's where it is for me for whatever reason. But my point is there's likely a natural phenomenon of causing gender dysphoria. Now, I'm not saying we should be giving kids sex surgeries because of it. We clearly look at the Scandinavian countries, they're not doing that anymore. But I think that the issue of the social factor is also obviously

playing a role, whether it's, you know, you're saying it's explosive, so that's likely the case. Either way, that's evidence enough that we should not be doing this to kids. To Ian's point, I think it's entirely possible there's a combination of we were seeing hormone disruptors in our food supply, plastics or whatever, increasing, but also serious social discouragement from anyone mentioning it. So it could be, you know, the left says there's always been trans people. And the reason there's a massive explosion of them is because now it's finally okay for them to speak up.

It's like, it could actually be both. It could be that in the past 10 years, past 20 years, we've massively increased the amount of PCBs, phthalates. What is it? Polychloride something. I don't know. We've dramatically increased certain hormones, pharmaceuticals, plastics, and other things into our food supply that is their hormone disruptors.

But the people who grew up experiencing that didn't say anything because it was not socially acceptable now that it is. All of a sudden, now there's a perception that among the left, it's only happening because it's acceptable. These are PCBs or polychlorinated biphenyls. There you go, the biphenyls. I mean, for me, some of this just makes me have more questions about like reproduction and human fertility, because if we do believe there's a genetic link or an environmental disruption that occurs, where does it come from?

Is it because you have moms, like a generation of moms who've been on birth control for longer and that disrupts their hormones, which disrupts how their fetus? I mean, I don't know anything about medical science. So this is all speculation on my part. I defer to the doctor, but I wonder if ultimately we just don't know what causes any of these issues because we are not studying it holistically. Like we are looking at it as social intervention when they reach school. But what if this is something that has to do with mom's nutrition? Yeah. And you know what, I'm going to backpedal a little bit. So what you said earlier resonates with me in terms of attention on studying it. And I'll tell you that just to your point, one of the problems with these hot button issues is that it becomes taboo to even ask the questions, right? And that's a problem.

Yep. I'm looking at what I do know is that pharmaceutical companies are administering for-profit surgeries and chemicals in reaction to whatever is happening. That's very apparent to me, a for-profit medical industry. There's no incentive to not encourage it. If you have kids that you're treating for more and more things, plus when you go on hormones, there are side effects, you take more medication.

I mean, like this becomes a mass industry in and of itself. Why would you discourage it if you are a pharmaceutical person? Not to be too conspiratorial. Oh, there's no conspiracy about pharmaceutical companies pursuing profit over everything else. It is well documented. We've heard it from a doctor. Well, we pointed out there's an article about Goldman Sachs. They said they were advising pharmaceutical companies. I could be wrong because we don't have the article pulled up, but they were saying curing diseases is not a long-term – Financial gain for us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like you're better off just treating the symptoms and letting people stay sick, which is just so horrifying. Yeah. It's like I don't want to call them medical companies anymore. I want to call them – because real medicine, in my opinion, is food. If you're eating the right diet, that's what Hippocrates said, the first doctor. Let food be thy medicine. Let me ask

you this. Why do you think it is that testosterone levels are dropping so significantly in the male population? Yeah, and it's true. First of all, that's been documented. This might be a good time to mention, by the way, that there was a study that came out in a good

journal about reproductive health and hormones that followed some men after they underwent COVID-19 vaccination with one of the mRNA vaccines. And that was followed by a decrease in, in sperm count and, uh, in sperm motility. And it didn't, it didn't. So that was really nice wording. If you looked at the table and this is, this is, uh, again, this is like my space, right, in the space of a lot of my colleagues that I work with. So if you pull up that study that was published a few months ago, and you look at the table, it doesn't look fully temporary. So the levels, I can't remember whether it was 12 weeks afterward, the measures are still lower than baseline. And at least one of the cells in the, in the, uh, one of the areas in the table was substantially lower than baseline. So anyway, I digress. I will, I will just, I'll state just because we, we, we segment

the, we create segments. So previous statements won't be heard in this one. Uh, we've got to be careful about single studies. When one study comes out and shows something, you need way more than that before you can draw heavy conclusions as to what they mean, correct? Well, you do need to be careful. In this particular study, it seemed like it was done well. There was another study that was done earlier in the pandemic that didn't find a difference. They concluded that there wasn't a difference in sperm function or sperm count. Um, so that that's true. Ultimately the truth is one, you know, one of those studies is, is accurate. I think from what I've seen, it was, it's, I, there probably is a decrement in the, in the, in the activity in the, in the counts of the sperms. Coming back to your point, in terms of these

testosterone, so that fits the pattern of something that isn't environmental, some environmental exposure, and we have a lot of them. So why is it? I don't know, but it does fit the pattern of a sort of non-natural phenomenon. But could it be social? So men aren't chopping lumber anymore. I mean, physical exercise increases testosterone, right? I do believe it does, but more in older men. Really? I'm not sure if it increases testosterone, if it's related to testosterone levels in younger men. I'm not sure.

What about hunching over, staring at a computer screen, drinking Pepsi 12 hours a day? You joke around, but guys. Asking for no introduction. That's actually, I mean, that's a legitimate question, right? I mean, to give one example, I don't know if this is correct, if this is true, but I've read, for example, that the increase in people with nearsightedness is related to the fact that we are looking at screens more and kind of doing close stuff instead of looking things farther away or hunting or whatever. So, no, I mean, it's funny, but something real is happening. Those testosterone levels are substantially lower than they were in the past. Have you seen the infamous Try Guys video?

Which infamous one? I don't know which. Where they get their testosterone tested? Yeah, they get their testosterone levels checked, and they have the testosterone. They're like, how old are they in their 20s? I think they're all late 20s, maybe early 30s at the time. And their testosterone levels were equal to 80-year-old men. Yeah, I don't – yeah, okay.

You know, from the top looking down, if someone's in the computer all day, that's kind of like them telling biology, you're not going to need my sperm. I am a machine. I'm an electronic organism. I'm going to implant my brain in a machine when I'm 30. It doesn't matter. You don't need me anyway. So the body's just like – I mean, obviously this guy's not interacting

with women. He doesn't need to be producing testosterone. He's getting... Are you telling us something? Hey, I love my girlfriend already. She plays video games too. But yeah, I am telling you something. When I started doing YouTube and making videos, I threw World of Warcraft away. I broke the CD and tossed it in

the gutter because I had a massive video game addiction. And for two years, I didn't touch them. And I created the most amazing career and created some of the best friendships of my life to this day. Video games are- Getting off it. On video games or- Off video games. It was all off. YouTube became my video game. Interacting with people became my video game. So there's no understanding of why testosterone levels are dropping, really? I wish I had studied it better before we talk. Prepared for your quiz today?

Yeah. No, it's not an area I've studied. I wish I had. And it is an important- What do you think? Like dudes are going to become shorter, weaker, less muscle mass, less bone density? I think it's probably not a good thing that testosterone levels are falling so strongly. I see this meme all the time that says the Y chromosome is disappearing.

Have you heard that? I haven't heard that. So I think it's feminist misunderstanding what the science actually is, obviously. But it's that males – so I was reading about it. Males evolve faster than females, in humans at least. Or I should say this is related to the greater male variability hypothesis. Are you familiar with that one? No, I'm not.

I'm not at all. This one is greater male variability hypothesis states that among men, there will be a greater variation in physical traits as opposed to women. And that's because men, the best, the strongest, the most successful will reproduce with the women. Right. And so if you have a wide, if you have zero IQ to a thousand IQ, that wide range allows the best of the best to have stronger and better children and to try and fight, you know, fight for the women. And then women can choose whichever man is better or the, you know, depending on what year it is, if it's the caveman era, it's not so pretty for the women.

But so in that, the idea basically is, I forgot what I was starting on, now that we're talking about greater male. The Y chromosome is disappearing. Right, right, right. The idea is that among the greater variability of males, the Y chromosome changes substantially. So, you know, to create a higher chance of mutations

and alterations in the human body. And then the failure mutations cease to exist. Die off, don't have kids. The successful mutations end up having kids. Feminists have taken this to say, oh, because the Y chromosome is smaller now than it was before or whatever, that means men will eventually disappear instead of, well, the reality is it could get bigger and larger and just come back in force. Who knows?

I'll miss you guys when you all disappear. I have really enjoyed it. We're alive now. We'll be on Mars. So we're not just going to die and you're not going to be immortal or maybe, I don't know. Maybe we'll all be immortal. That sounds like awful. There are no, like it's just a bunch of women. We're in the oceans movie all over again. Don't live in New York and it's basically that already, isn't it? Pass.

Not for me. You know, I'll tell you that I haven't heard of, I'm not familiar with that sort of theory. I'll tell you what kind of along the same lines is concerning. There are individuals who believe that the differences between boys and girls don't have a natural root that um and i've read these people's writings and and they're just completely they're disconnected from reality because boys and girls are different oh don't get me started man you know i read this study once that said at birth like within 24 hours female infants and male infants react to things differently like

female infants are uh much more interested in faces and male infants are much more likely to be looking at like what's beeping they from the beginning show differences like mechanical objects right right i just watched a video on Instagram. I think of a seven-year-old doing a 900 on a skateboard. Maybe it was nine. I don't know. Either way, he was in the single digits of age. A nine-year-old boy, a seven-year-old boy, just a tiny little kid.

Tiny. The board was as tall as he was. And it was one of the just most amazing. So for those unfamiliar with skateboarding, 900 is like a legit, seriously difficult maneuver uh it was first done in 1999 by tony hawk it was considered a huge moment in the history of skateboarding and then the first the second one was landed you know like 10 years later i think it was something like that maybe it was like eight years later or something but then the first 1080 which is three complete rotations, was done by a 12-year-old boy. 12-year-old boy.

So Tony Hawk was like 30 when he landed the first 900, which is two and a half spins, followed by a 12-year-old boy to the first full three rotations, adding an extra half spin to it. Now you've got little kids in the single digits landing this once insane move. No girls. No girls. Well, that proves it. kids in the single digits landing this once insane move no girls no girls there's it but but i mean it's it's it's it's anecdotal but maybe it's a little bit more than that if you're doing an observational study and you take a look at all of the 10 year old boys and girls who have been skating the same amount of time and you wonder why it is that even before puberty boys are landing historical feats in skateboarding and the girls don't

come close. And when I say don't come close, I mean, with all due respect, when, when, you know, when you watch tennis, I couldn't tell you the difference. If I see two guys playing tennis, I see him hitting the ball. I see two and play tennis. I see him hitting the ball. Don't know. Cause I can't see it.

You show anyone skateboarding and you show them a 12 year old boy jumping a 70 foot gap then going up a 25 foot tall wall a half pipe quarter pipe and landing a 1080 45 feet up in the air and you're going wow and then you watch the girls skate it and they don't do it at all because it's too advanced. And they're the same age with the same same year skateboarding. There's there's clearly something there. So I researched it. The first thing that's really obvious is fast switch muscles from prenatal as a result of prenatal testosterone, which is, is my understanding, a huge factor in muscle development. So even before puberty, this this idea that if you give these these sex changes to these children or hormonal therapies before they hit puberty, they can become the other, at least to a greater degree,

passing or whatever they want to call it. That's all in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. The issue is, even before puberty, from birth, there are distinct physical differences that are very obvious and discernible between males and females. Yeah, I think that's true. I mean, you would know better than that. I always think about this tweet that I saw, and it was a dad being like, there was a time, and it's probably still true, but when it was really big to be like, you got to give your kids a mixed array of gender toys.

So if you have a daughter, buy her Barb barbies but also buy her tonka trucks and if you have a son get him a play kitchen as well as like tools or whatever it is to encourage you know not being trapped in gender stereotypes and this dad was like oh i did it and he takes a picture and it's his daughter who has tucked her tonka trucks into bed into like a barbie bed because for whatever reason like the trucks are her babies and she's going to take care of them. And that is really inherent. He's, this dad is actively trying to not reinforce gender stereotypes

and she's doing it anyways. I think physiologically and in the brain, there are clear differences from an early age and it is confusing for children to be told, well, you shouldn't behave that way because it's sort of bad in a way that is complicated to explain to you. I don't know why this also occurred to me.

One of the things I think about the Try Guy video, when they test their testosterone, I don't know a ton about them, but I know that the guy who scored the highest on the test, not that it's winning, but sort of winning, is the only one who's married. And he might still be, I'm not sure, but at the time, he was the only married guy.

So testosterone marriage correlation here? Was getting married what caused his testosterone to go up? Or is it because he had high testosterone, he got this? Or are our marriage rates falling because our testosterone rates are falling? I think that's probably very likely. And I attribute personally a lot to diet. When I eat crappy, I do not feel sexy at all. And normally, I feel sexy at all and normally i feel sexy

let me just get that on the table i don't know though you look at people like uh tiger woods wasn't he he was like called promiscuous or whatever south park did a whole thing on it that was actually funny i don't know if you guys ever saw that south park episode where they're like we don't understand why it is that rich successful men are sleeping with so many women like what's what's going what's up with that they could they were confused by it so i actually wonder if i don't know if the marriage thing correlates to a certain degree right low t guys are probably not successful in their relationships but i would i would argue that the high t guys the you know like what we're seeing with the um it was okay cupid data that women overwhelmingly choose the top 20 of men so like the higher t guys are getting all the women yeah you know well and like they're not

getting married either high testosterone correlates to the way you present right like i don't know if this is true but someone told me once that uh men going bald is actually a sign of high testosterone in men and so like there are things that socially we wouldn't necessarily think of that we are subtly picking up on the way people present. Or you probably can do this better. I don't like quoting medical advice in front of a doctor. Well, speaking from experience, the baldness thing is sensitivity to, I think, DHT. What's DHT? You know that better than me.

I don't know. What is it? I don't remember. The hydrotestosterone? Is that it? Because, you know, look, I've got to be honest. Yeah, it is. The Hydro testosterone.

Me and Brian Stelter are very different people. Neither of us have hair. But it's like the warrior in you. Like your hair is already gone, so no one can grab it if you find yourself in combat. Maybe. I don't know. Well, you know, I don't know. I wear my hair short.

What I will contribute to this conversation is that we've got three boys, and we do exactly that. Because, you know, whatever, like, we just let them play with what they want, right? So what some of these people believe is that, well, it's all a construct. Boys only like, you know, they like the toy cars because that's all you give them. And girls like the dolls because that's all you give them, and obviously there are exceptions to everything. But that is literally factually incorrect. Yes, I think the right thing to do is to let your kids play what they want because guess what? That's who they are, and you can fight it as long as you want, but that will never change.

And so you ought not fight it, and you should go with whoever they are. There's something interesting to be said about not knowing things exist, they can't ask for it, right? Right, right. No, exactly. So what we do is we let them play with what they want. It just so turns out that, you know, one of our boys likes this type of toy, the other boy,

and they all, you know, they all like kind of boy stuff. But, you know, so anyway, I agree with letting them play with whatever they want. I think it's funny that there are like girls play with dolls and boys play with action figures. Like, bro, they're dolls. Dolls with joints.

I had Barbies growing up for a little while and all of my brother's G.I. Joes would occasionally come by and either murder my Barbies or marry them. It was really hard to tell what would happen. I want to encourage people not to well, one of the things I'm concerned with is that people will overcompensate with this conversation of testosterone

and then go for the high T because I think a balanced T... You see, I think John McAfee... I don't want to put the guy on blast. John, if you're still out there, I love you, man. What do you mean if he's still out there? If he's still alive...

I'm prepping for this. What's happening? He uploaded himself to the machine. I think he was high T, like was taking testosterone supplements. You could see his face was really red. Skin is very leathery, like too much. Yeah.

No, it can increase the risk of blood clots, for example. I mean, I don't recommend that. What I do recommend is that people eat as clean as possible in terms of avoiding the, you know, pesticides. Eating as organic as possible, which like used to be how all food was, but now you actually have to go seek it out. And exercising, right? And, you know, some resistance training too. I mean, you know, that's probably as good as you can do overall these days. All right.

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They're already recommending booster shots and healthy young people. So how credible is that? John Diaz says, Tim, lately you've been saying you guys are winning. You can beat the establishment in your vids. And I wanted to thank you because you're right. I had lost hope, but you helped me see it. Yeah. In one week.

I mean, this is like the greatest white pill moment. Liz Cheney loses her election then we get uh brian stelter is fired from cnn they canceled the show and you know fired whatever colloquial term or i mean uh opinion let's call it that he's severed ties with him severed ties and then uh fauci and then as an honorable you know little little uh bump sam harris outs himself as a dangerous authoritarian lunatic and then discredits himself. So the Sam Harris one, I think, doesn't really fit. But you get to say it comes in threes. Major, major victory. I mean, Kerry Lake wins.

Hagerman wins. I mean, you got to be looking at this and thinking you're taking the field. So come November, go and vote. I liked your idea of tell all your friends you're going to get pizza, but insist that you drive and drive them to the polls really quick. Stop at the local polling place. Or you can be like, hey everybody,

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could not function because Tim had brain damage. Wuxia Game Central says you really need to wear a helmet. A car once kicked up a rock that flew at my head. Luckily, I was wearing my scooter helmet. Got a concussion. Wow. See? Me and your mom think you should wear a helmet. Everybody wear a helmet. The thing for me is

I've never hit my head before. And I've been skating for 22 or 22 and a half years or whatever. But recently, I've been rollerblading. And with this, I've been going up like eight to nine feet on the vert wall. And sometimes you lose your footing and you get ejected. And then you're coming nine feet straight down to the ground. There was one really funny day where I went up.

And it's a short vert wall. What that means is a good vertical quarter pipe has like a foot of vert and it's big, maybe like 13 feet. That gives you a chance to pump up to it and actually ride the wall before getting air. We have a very short one. It's seven feet, which means it stops right at the point where it goes vert. So it kind of sucks. And so I went up it with some good speed and i accidentally

kicked too hard off of the wall because you either jump a little bit before the vert or you wait till the vert and so i got ejected what that means is you're not on the wall anymore now you're just nine feet in the air headed straight down a flat ground and sideways so you're gonna but uh i was able to bend my my legs a little bit to get some forward motion and roll out of it. And I was totally fine. And then I didn't wear a helmet then. I'm never wearing a helmet, says Tim Pool. There's the trope of like the warrior king that fights with his men for years.

And then eventually they're like, you have to go back and stay in the capital. And we need you alive and smart because you're our leader. We can't risk your life anymore. And I think Rogan might even give you the advice of stop skating, dude. Like he tells the fighters, stop fighting. Those head traumas, those CTs are like... I've never hit my head before. Of course before,

but you're lucky. But my point is, if you take brain damage, that's a big part of your career is your brain. Sounds like a you problem. That's what Rogan tells his fighter buddies that have careers in media, like stop fighting. But what if Tim starts. That's what Rogan tells his fighter buddies that have careers in media. Stop fighting. But what if Tim starts wearing a helmet and it throws off his balance

and then he becomes more prone to accidents and wrecks more bones? That actually is an issue. If you're not used to wearing one, you know when I was little it was really distracting and it's really uncomfortable. I'm not really going ham anymore. And fighting's not skating. But I think the risk of head trauma is a lot smaller.

No, skating. Do you want to weigh in as a doctor over here? Yeah, what do you think? Don't take punches to the face? I would recommend against punches to the face and other traumatic forces to the face. Falling down? What about falling down? Don't fall down.

It's dangerous out there, guys. Not falling. All right. I don't know what, guys. Not falling. All right. I don't know what this means. I'm going to read it. Bruce Maximus says, hey, y'all, I'd like to ask Dr. Latipo whether he has any stance on the seemingly artificial lack of seats in med school. I've heard anecdotally there are some 50 qualified applicants per seat.

Cheers. Going back to my lab science BS, have you heard of that? I don't know if it's sort of contrived. It is true. I mean, medical school is ridiculous. There are so many applications for each seat. People end up going to medical school even kind of out of the country because that's where they get in. And it seems to be a problem that's only getting worse, and the medical school classes don't expand at the rate of applicants. But it's regulated, and you can run into issues.

So, for example, there are only so many residency spots. So if you have, say, you double the number of medical students, well, maybe half of them won't have anywhere to train when they're done with medical school. So it's a bit of a complicated issue. All right. Hayden says, prediction, speculation, Fauci retiring because of fear of Republican control of Congress in January. Biden will retire in December or January. Harris will grant pardons to Bidens, Faucici and Peter Daszak, Newsom-appointed VP.

It's a bold speculation. I don't think so. You know, I'd love to believe that Biden is going to resign or retire and then something happens, but it's just... I think that's an emergency card. If he really couldn't make it,

they would make him resign, but I think they're going to try and make him get through an entire first term i do think a second term is very clearly off the table all right let's grab some super chats waffle sensei says tim do you ever spend time watching yuri bezmanov's long lectures i think you'd appreciate them most people just seen the 12-minute interview but y Yuri does detailed breakdowns of the stuff. Interesting. We should get that. We'll play it.

I'm just, we were supposed to have the Freedomistan studio built, like in March. It was like a year ago it was supposed to be done. They got delayed. And then the framing is going up. So they are building it. Maybe in a week or two, the structure will be done. Then we got to do the internals.

But I'm really excited for this because we'll be able to put a big projector up and play this and just have it running in the background all day and cool stuff like that. So I'm very much excited for all that. That'll be great. All right. Bill Hughes says, Fauci will be retiring from the U.S. government so he can draw that humongous pension.

He's not retiring from making money from research. There you go. More money to be made. He can keep working somewhere else. You know what's probably going to happen? I think the real reason he's resigning, he's retiring, or he's not retiring, he's resigning, is that the pension. But he's going to do book tours.

He's going to go on talk shows. He's going to do contributorships. Is he going to feel pretty for a little while? People wanting to interview him? He's going to go to one of these networks and he's going to be like $5 million and I will be a contributor to your network. And then they're going to sign the deal with them and have them like he already does this for free though.

Right. Do you think he has any political ambitions? Do you think he'll try and parlay this into like being elected somewhere? He is 81. So Bernie Sanders might object. Could you imagine if he ran for president no i would really prefer he didn't that'd be funny all right the old man time media says the presbyterian church is a liberal church they are pro-choice and pro-lbgt interesting so the bombing

may have been a lot of right wing or what there are are a lot of left wing leaning churches. I mean, I grew up Episcopalian and the Episcopalian church just came out in part in favor of gender related treatments, both surgical and medical. So I don't think that necessarily clarifies anything. I stand by my speculation that this was personal on some level. No Saint 317 says in 2019, a man attacked Kyoto Animation Studio. He set fire to the building and stabbed people as he ran out, killing 36 people. Injured an additional 34.

It doesn't take much to cause havoc. The sad reality of life is that it's really hard to build a machine and it's really easy to disrupt one. Yeah, I think about that a lot. You can have this beautiful, massive machine of gears. I think about this when you watch the show,

like when you watch a show about newspaper printing, be it like an old movie or whatever, and the machine is massive and all the newspapers are being printed in full speed, and then someone takes

a paper clip into one gear and then the whole thing just shuts down. It's just so crazy. Life is delicate. Yep, yep. Hard to build. Easy to knock down, man.

Aroftis of Stett. Aroftis says, in the pale moonlight, Tim. Stay safe. I want to shout him out because I mentioned that during the show. That's the Star Trek DS9 episode I highly recommend.

OMG Puppy says, I don't think Dugan and Putin have even met. He advocates for a multipolar world that preserves the traditions of every civilization he attacks fascism communism and liberalism as 20th century failures interesting devin garden says dugan was there when the bomb went off i watched a video yesterday of him looking at the burning wreckage in shock and horror yeah i saw the photos all over the place, the photo and the video. All right.

Doug Ripley says, General Latipo, what is Ron DeSantis like to work for? Why would he make a good POTUS? And who else in your field would he recommend? And who else in your field would he recommend go on IRL? Well, he's, I enjoy working for him and frankly part of the reason is that it feels more like i mean i i don't know that i've ever felt like i'm working for him i feel like i'm working with him so that's that's been fun i mean it's been it's been fun um he doesn't try and sort of manage or micromanage he's really about getting the job done. That's just his focus is the outcome and, and not sort of the kind of the, the political stuff that seems to, you know, that mostly

dominates politics in terms of how, uh, how politicians carry themselves and what they do. So it's been a lot of fun working with him. I mean, I think he is, like I said, he cares about the outcome, and it would be great to have someone. It's great to have him, and that's why he's been so successful in Florida is that he actually cares about the outcome and doesn't care what people are going to think about unpopular opinions or names they're going to call him or things like that. Those are great qualities, and those are really great qualities for a leader.

Right on. Notre Dame says, the bombing is similar to the IRA. They believed the British were occupying Ireland, and after much escalation, it resulted in car bombings in London. London, man, that's crazy. Yeah, I've been to Northern Ireland. I've never been to Dublin or, I guess, what do you call it? Just Ireland?

Northern Ireland? The regular part. Regular Ireland. The Ireland. Regular Ireland. Yeah, just Belfast. Beautiful. Great place.

Crazy seeing all the stuff, man. All right. AJ Cook says, dude, you need to turn on notifications for RWA on Twitter. Russian government has already released a video of a suspect. Hot blonde. What is this? Not scraggly bearded, dude. Interesting.

A hot blonde German ideology girl. I'll take a look at it. It's a German. Wow, feminism. Love it. It could be a German person. That's what I was thinking earlier in the show. But I'm like, I'm not going to start naming countries. That's too, you know, it's ridiculous.

New T2 says, Chicken Ian is the best. We love him. Ha. Well, all right. Yeah, he is. What do we got here? He's the best chicken. The best chicken.

The greatest chicken. The Maladro Mama says, a division of the Presbyterian church is progressive within realm of reason for unstable MAGA person to target. Don't know how, why, if connected to federal building. I stand by. That one is far away and there are other liberal churches much closer to. Liberal churches?

I mean churches that have liberal factions. Like I said, there's an Episcopalian church within close proximity. You have to look at the map, but if the federal building is close to what's called a center of town and there are 10 churches close by, you have to travel 20 minutes on foot, three minutes by car to this other church. Again, that feels more pointed. It feels more specific. It could be because of ideology. I'm not saying that, but it does feel like if you were against churches that had left-leaning

ideology, you could have picked one closer to the other place and made a faster escape. Noah Zork says, Tim-Tay pronouns. That's actually T-Tim-Tims. T-Tim-Tims. What's going on? My pronouns. T-Tim-Tims. That's right. My name

is actually a pronoun. Is it T-Y-M apostrophe S? Yes. The funny thing about pronouns is like we use pronouns as generic placeholder words so we don't have to say your name over and over again. But if everyone has their own, then we might as well just call you by your name. Yeah. What's the point? I find myself thinking about that when I'm reporting on people.

You have to be like, okay, what names am I using? I think it would just be safer to use their name. But I do wonder how long until we all start talking in a third person to just avoid all pronouns in any case at all. That way there's no question. Yeah. And you. I would just say Hannah Clare says that this would be interesting and it would be horrible. I don't even like talking in this way as a joke.

That world is not coming. What happens when there's two Ians in the same room? Ian says this. Ian certainly does not. It's like when you're in elementary school and it has to be like Ian C. and Ian T. and you know, fight it out. Ian T. Are you, why do you say it's not coming?

Are you personally involved in the fight against pronoun and third person speech? I mean, I guess in some ways, yeah. No, I mean, you know, some of these kind of agendas, they start in one place, but they're really headed somewhere else. And that's an example of one. What if I made my pronoun we? You can make your pronouns anything you want. We're going to go to the park. We're going to go have some food. Stop bringing me into this.

That way people feel obligated to go with you. Like, we're going to go to the park. We're going to go have some food. Stop bringing me into this. That way people feel obligated to go with you. Like, we're going to the grocery store. We're like, okay, I guess so. I guess we're all going. We're going to relax tonight. It's a power of suggestion. We are? Yeah, we're going to have a chill night, play some across the obelisk.

And then when someone invites themselves with you, you say, what are you doing? Why are you following me? Why did I invite you here? Why are you following me? We didn't invite you here. Stop being confused. All right, Fiend V. For Joe, what is your take on the Florida medical marijuana program

and possible legalization in the future, if you can speak on it? Well, it's interesting. I mean, so I, in general, favor people being able to use marijuana if they want, but I wouldn't want my kids to use it. And it's not, uh, the risk free Medicaid sort of drug that it was portrayed at portrayed as initially.

So I don't know if you guys saw these articles. So the New York times, Washington post, they were all big pushers of legalization of marijuana. But just recently, like New York times has run multiple negative articles about it. I don't know if you saw those. Really? But basically, oh, yeah, in young people.

So they've run very prominent articles about how some individuals kind of develop mental illness, other harms, something called hyperemesis syndrome that we see not infrequently in the hospital. So sort of people that use it chronically start throwing up. They vomit, they develop abdominal pain, and it's kind of unstoppable. They require hospitalizations. It's very severe. And there are other harms associated with it. In addition, really high quality studies have looked at the association of legalization with things like car accidents. And they found an association. So in other words, the implication is that people are using it and driving and unfortunately injuring themselves, injuring

other people having car accidents. Was that a clinical study or an observational? These are observational studies. They're not all wrong. Right. Multiple studies have shown, have found similar findings. So the New York Times is finally, is now acknowledging harms. You know, you can look it up.

They've written, they've published a few recent articles that are very negative on their use in kids. It's totally harmful for kids. It's not good for your brain. So medically, I think it absolutely should be available for individuals, certainly people with pain. There can be a lot of challenging things, but people should realize it's not like some harmless thing. I mean, it's potentially very harmful.

I didn't touch it until I was 23, and I feel like I dodged a bullet because as a kid, a lot of the kids I knew that did it in high school had a hard time paying attention in school, basically. Their minds, you know, your intelligence goes down, your wisdom might go up, but it's like you really got to love what you're paying attention to if you're going up. Your wisdom's not going up if your intelligence is going down. No, I think that's actually an interesting point. I agree with that's actually an interesting point i i i agree with that actually like wisdom

is how would you define wisdom what's the what's the best way to do it knowing that you what you think you know might be wrong sort of i mean the saying is that uh intelligence is knowing that or was it knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit and wisdom is knowing not to put in a fruit salad. No, I hear you. I hear you. I mean, I would say I would, you know, to get a little bit kind of, I don't know, more medical and psychological on this, right? So if you take a drug that reduces your inhibitions, that reduces your attachment to sort of held beliefs that you have, other beliefs that, you know, that may not be true, that may be false, or maybe very rigid and usually rigid beliefs. Aren't there usually, there's usually something behind them that's, um, that's not authentic when, when individuals have

sort of rigid beliefs about things. So when you, when you take those away, your sort of clarity, I could see, your ability to identify a belief that is more in line with who you might be or what is closer to some truth or insight, that can increase. But that's a funky way to say that you're – I don't know. I'm thinking about this whole wisdom thing. That's not the path to wisdom. The path to wisdom ought not to be so expensive because it's costly. The internet says intelligence can be defined as the ability to acquire and apply information

while wisdom, on the other hand, is, wait, hold on. Intelligence is simply having knowledge and wisdom is the ability to apply the knowledge that you have. So maybe some people are... So you're able to apply things better. Like Sam Harris.

I think you said he's all knowledge and no wisdom. Not that extreme, but yeah, he's got a deficit in wisdom. At least he's portrayed in the video. No intelligence or wisdom at all. 100 zeros. Yeah, no, it's not that extreme. Well, I think we all know people who can quote really interesting things or recite studies or do math in their head but like if you drop them in the

middle of anywhere they would not be able to find their way home because they have no common sense or they're just not able to use the knowledge that they have to make make their life go forward i guess i found with uh with weed and meditation it's a good combo because when i would smoke it would be i would get my my thoughts would, so it was more challenging to meditate. And when I could, if I could do it with THC in my system, I was way easier to do it without it all of a sudden. All right. Brian Cooper says, fifth paid comment. Will you read it?

Y'all are against gender surgeries, yet y'all remain quiet about circumcision. In fact, you endorse Judaism, Tim. I don't remember ever specifically endorsing Judaism. That sounds very strong. I will also mention we haven't had any news stories about the prominence of political controversies surrounding circumcision, but I'm against it.

Oh, really? It happened to me, but I don't know. What's your experience with circumcision? Do you think of it as like mutilation? I mean, you're a medical doctor. It's interesting. And the father of three boys. Yeah, I'm the father of three boys. So there's some areas that I've studied sort of more deeply in and some that I haven't.

I just want to add one more thing about marijuana. So there's an old paper in, I think, the journal Science or Cell that basically exposes brain cells to a few different chemicals. Ketamine is one of them. I think THC is another one. Anyway, these chemicals are neurotoxic. So that's just, I mean, just to kind of keep that in mind too. Again, things that aren't really discussed, but stuff that's not great for brain cells.

With circumcision, it's interesting. I know that there are individuals that feel very strongly that it's harmful to the development of babies. It's definitely painful. There's no question about that. On the other side, there's pretty good research that shows that it reduces the risk of sexually transmitted illnesses when kids get, people get older. So does marriage. So that also reduces it and abstinence also reduces it, Tim,

while we're talking about... Well, I mean, I just, I think it's interesting, you know, I don't see that as a, I understand it to be true. I just don't see it as an argument for the practice. Like, well, when he's older,

he can sleep around, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't either. I mean, I think this is kind of a uniquely American debate because we have a blend of cultures in America. Whereas, like, if you are European, like both my parents are European-decided immigrants, you know, it's not a question because culturally it's not as normal for them. I remember my parents, like, having this – telling me they would have this discussion with their friends and being like, it had never even crossed their mind to get a child circumcised because it's just culturally not normal. I've got this theory that when it happens,

it exposes the nerves at the end of the penis, basically, and then makes people more sensitive to sex and then more aggressive. It actually cuts like half the nerves off. Are you saying that this is where the testosterone is going? I don't know. I think it might make people more aggressive in later life because of that. It's like a sensitive trauma that they deal with. But you're saying it actually diminishes sensitivity?

I don't know. It was just a theory. It cuts most of the nerves off. All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Wisdom is not fighting an alligator underwater. That's right. But what is?

Wisdom is not. Yes, you have. But what is? I like that. That wisdom is the application of knowledge. If you can... That's what the internet says. If you don't have high intelligence, you get the knowledge wrong, and then you apply it properly, but you got the wrong piece. Korn says, Rip Emmy. Ian, can I get some of your

love for my brother Luke for the loss of his chocolate lab? She was a great dog. Yeah, Luke, you got this. Today is going to be really good. You guys, all of that, you know, I say about losing a dog is all that pain you're feeling is all of the love for your dog being expressed all at one time. And you're going to remember that feeling forever. So it's a good thing. If you didn't feel that way when your dog passed, it would mean that your dog wasn't, you know, wasn't that important. That

feeling is like all of that love and everything just coming together at that one moment. So it's a, it's, it's, it's a beautiful sadness, right? Yeah. Would you, you know, the question is when you think about it like pain, it's like, oh, okay. Think about it this way. We can make all that pain go away. Just never have had the dog. How does that sound? And it's like, no, absolutely not. Of course, right?

The pain of your dog passing, it sucks because your dog is passing, but it's a good expression. It's like all the goodness is here. You can feel it all at once. Better to have loved and lost than never loved at all. Yeah. All right. Kevin Clark says, Is Tim trying to say his T levels are too high to worry about a helmet?

Or is the lack of a helmet supposed to raise his T levels? Both. I wear half a helmet on one side of my head. That way if I fall on one side, I get lucky. On the other side, I die. Thank you. I love the gamble. You know, I only really wear it now when I'm going on the vert wall. It like again not the biggest vert wall it's just it's seven so it's a seven foot vertical

transition but if i'm like eight or nine feet up and i'm looking down most of the time 99.9% of the time it's just you're fine you fall you slide or whatever i don't have knee pads on either though but you know whatever wear a helmet when you're going way up there. Chase Lindsay says, Hey, Tim, James Shaw is running for Commissioner of Agriculture in Florida. He's an organic farmer and two-way supporter running against an establishment politician. P.S., did you get salty cracker on the show?

Perhaps we should. Perhaps we should. Florida primaries are tomorrow. Same with New York. Really? Oh, that'll be interesting. Trump endorsed some of those New York Democrats. Be interested to see if they can pull off a victory with his endorsement. Make him proud. They're going to win.

And then Trump's going to be like, my endorsements are now, you know. See how great they are. Yeah, like, I'll get them right. Well, he like endorsed Nader. Garnett says, Lex Friedman got a KGB defector who became an American. He counters Yuri Bezmenov because Yuri was in India, not in the U.S. Get that guy in the show from Lex. Oh, that'd be interesting.

All right, let's see. We'll grab one more here from Waffle Sensei. He says, wisdom is animal handling. Insight, medicine, perception, survival, and whatever else the DM allows you to add your proficiency bonus to. Bluff. Yeah, I think bluff might be a wisdom check as well. You can tell when someone's lying, and you can lie yourself. Allows you to add your proficiency bonus too. Bluff. Yeah, I think bluff might be a wisdom check as well. You can tell when someone's lying and you can lie yourself.

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different types of traumatic events in our past. And, um, on all of us experienced daily stress and all of these things affect how we show up in the world. And, um, and for me, when I fell in love with my wife, it was, um, it was a sort of like a volcano erupting because one of the things about love is that it forces things to the surface. And so the things that don't work in your life, well, if you fall in love, you can't kind of, you can't just kind of keep them in the closet. And that led to, you know, sort of a journey with my wife where I was driving her nuts. And she referred me to different people. And I finally met a guy named Christopher Mayher, who's a former Navy SEAL. And he used techniques from Chinese medicine, stuff related to meridians, stuff related to chi and the flow of energy, things that like, and what that translated

into is kind of physical manipulations, verbal stuff, lots of different things. And I experienced a, you know, priceless transformation that let me basically let me do what I did in terms of the communication, the thinking, the clear thinking, other things that led to what I'm doing now and will lead to who knows what heaven knows what next. But, you know, but that's really the core of the book. I talk about kind of leadership and making decisions under uncertainty and kind of how, why decisions were wrong and should have been recognized as being wrong at the time they were made and how leaders can avoid making similar blunders that are quite costly in the future. So that's the book.

It's called Transcend Fear. Tim's going to put it up on the Internet thing. You can tell that I'm a real savvy tech. Where can you get your book? Where can you order from? You can get it from the evil Amazon or I think Barnes & Noble. The less evil Barnes & Noble. Yeah, right.

And the slightly less evil. But yeah, that's right. Right on. Yeah, we'll put it in the clips so people can have the link. Thank you. Yeah, sounds good. That's awesome. I definitely want to read that. I'm Hannah Claire Brimelow. I you. Because it's out tomorrow. Yeah. Sounds good. That's awesome. I definitely want to read that.

I'm Hannah Claire Brimelow. I'm a writer for timcast.com. I think you should check it out every day. It's a great place to get all of your news or at least some of it. I'm also on Pop Culture Crisis Tomorrow at 3 p.m. with Brett and Mary. So come there and see me talk about things that are not politics or at least adjacent to politics. And you can check me out on Instagram at hannaclaire.b. You guys follow me on the internet anywhere you want to.

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