Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #612 FBI RAIDS 35 Trump Allies, Bannon Reveals, Lawyer Confirms w/Maj Toure & Dave Smith

Episode Date: September 10, 2022

Tim, Ian, & Lydia are joined by Dave Smith & Maj Toure in a passionate discussion regarding the raid on 35 Trump allies, the brutal murder of a woman in California, the need for global decentralization, & the proper path forward for America. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve Bannon was talking to Charlie Kirk and he said 35 Trump allies had been raided by the FBI. And that's a shocking claim. And then Harmeet Dhillon, a lawyer, well-respected, you know, came out and said, can confirm it happened to people I know as well. And so it's, it seems very much confirmed. I mean, I'll tell you this, Steve Bannon was perp walked after he turned himself into custody. We didn't see that for the BLM leaders who are who are effectively accused of the exact same, you know, potential crimes. But they they're putting on a show for everybody. And hearing that 35 Trump allies have been raided is, you know, it's getting pretty, pretty crazy out there. And we got a bunch of stories, man. Crime is playing a big role in the upcoming election.

Democrats in vulnerable districts are starting to realize this. And we got it. We got a story out of California. I want to talk to because I want to talk about crime. A woman was beheaded in the street in front of a bunch of people. And I don't want to just play into like anecdotes because I know sometimes crime happens. But this is part of a larger trend of a massive uptick in crime that we need to talk about, especially when it comes to policing policies and how that stuff plays out.

Self-defense and how there's this move by these woke politicians to decriminalize and allow violent offenders out while basically arresting small business owners. So we'll talk about all that stuff. Plus AOC, she's getting criticized

because she said she didn't know if interracial marriage was right for her. It's very interesting to hear a progressive person because the progressives are the ones who are saying that if you had a racial dating preference, you were racist. And I'm going to give a shout out right now to Tom McDonald. Tom McDonald's got a new song out, and I'm going to be promoting this all next week because

I genuinely mean it when we got a pushback in the culture war and we've got a win in terms of producing culture. Tom's got a new song out today called Riot. This is when Billboard reporting starts. It ends next Thursday. Everybody needs to check out the song. We put the link in the description below. You can buy it. We put the Amazon link. It's easier. But if you go to his song, he's number four on trending. It's not an overtly political song. It's just good stuff by somebody who's got a good message behind the work that he does. I'm a big fan of Tom. I want to see him hit Billboard number one on the Hot 100.

Maybe we can't pull it off, but we need to organize. And so what I'm saying is when you have somebody like Tom who's successful, got a big following, and is getting basically blocked whenever he has a successful song from charts and from the media, if we organize, we can make it undeniable. So everybody buy his song. Let's get him a number one on iTunes. Let's get him the number one on iTunes. Let's get him the number one on Billboard. I'll tell you this right now.

I am so, I am going to, if Tom McDonald hits number one, what should the stakes be? Yeah, you have to beanie off, man. Number one on Billboard? Yeah. Number one on Billboard, I'll wear a suit. Oh, yeah? All right.

Yeah? Somebody chatted that you're gonna look good they said so if Tom McDonald hits number one on on on

Billboard Hot 100 number one is really tough to get so I'm kinda like you know I'm kinda a suit and a tie a suit and a tie

alright if Tom so if everybody who listens to this show buys Tom McDonald's Riot, either on iTunes or Amazon, I think you would need like 100K sales. Not only does that give Tom more money to do his work, but it would force the media to acknowledge counterculture and anti-establishment,

and then I'll put a suit on. That would be a huge win. I feel like you've got to up the stakes. A suit? A dress. Tim will wear a dress if you make this number one. Come on. Let's get these the stakes. A suit, a dress. Tim will wear a dress. If you make this number one. Come on, let's get these people working. A pink dress.

A scantily clad dress. We all wear suits. I don't have a suit, but I will. I will get you one. I'll definitely wear one. So what about you, Lydia? I'll wear, I mean, I guess. And we'll get Luke a suit too.

All right, but you got to send like a camera crew to the fitting. I want to see Ian getting fitted for a suit. Yeah, I want to see the whole fashion. We'll all wear suits. We'll all all wear and we'll get really nice tailored suits that'd be a cool like social psychology experiment to see how much it changes the show like if you guys are just more like uh formal we're just we're just angrier gets you into character for sure being a costume so anyway um look i've been talking about we released a song the media told us to F off,

said they wouldn't cover the fact that we hit number two on digital sales because they don't like me. And so my whole thing is let's force them to acknowledge the counterculture. Give them no opportunity. It's 99 cents. It supports Tom. We don't get any of that money. It goes to him so he can keep doing the work he does. I'm a big fan of his. Seeing him hit the top of the charts and then forcing the media to write about a guy who wrote a song called Fake Woke and the system

and rags on the cult. I would just, oh man, it would be schadenfreude. Knowing they would just be so angry and having around, Tom McDonald's number one. I'd love to see it.

And I'll wear a suit. Well, I will. So shout out Tom. Right now, he's currently number three on iTunes. So you can see him. So I'm really excited for this. And I'm. So shout out Tom right now. He's currently number three on iTunes. So you can see. So I'm really excited for this. And I'm also pointing this out, too, because his latest song isn't overtly political.

He does rag on mainstream music and the machine, but it's not overtly political. That's the point. We need to produce culture that inspires young people and invades these spaces and forces them to acknowledge it. So we'll check out a song, buy it, make it happen, get number one, we put suits on. Also, don't forget,

you can become a member at timcast.com, support our work directly if you'd like to. Check out the Cast Castle vlog, the latest episode with Ian as the main star running for union president.

And then at this point now, spoilers, I think, are okay. Let's just say Ian's running for union president. And, you know, when they're counting the votes to see who won, the early ballots came in at 3 a.m and you know how it goes so you guys definitely want to check that one out joining us because you've already heard them speak already we've got we've got some awesome guests we got maj toray what's

up who are you dude it's a regular dude man it's north philian. You know what I'm saying? Philadelphian. Founder of Black Guns Matter. Founder of the Solutionary Lifestyle. You know, reform scumbag. Right on. You know what I'm saying? All right, we got Dave Smith. What's going on? Very good to be back.

It's been a little while, and it's great to see all of you guys again. And you guys know me, comedian, podcaster, takeoverer of libertarian parties. And it's just you know just a coincidence you're both here at the same time just happen to be in the area you know

we had you both on at the same time for no reason coincidentally randomly before the show we talked about what everybody ate

for breakfast but we also talked about universal healthcare colonial did we talk about colonialism generational wealth the queen

world economic forum the history of 9-11 9-11 before the mics even like tim was like well hold on i like to start with small talk first because he wants to save it for the show so let's get hot and heavy right yeah it was great before the show we kept trying to talk about like what we had for breakfast so we kept going back to like monsanto and stuff it was not

the system we ate the system for breakfast exactly let's get going it's hard to turn it off yeah yeah it's like we're getting ready with the cameras, and then Dave would be saying something. I'd say, what did you have for breakfast? And then within like five minutes, Maj is like, Monsanto, man, with these cookies. Like, here we go. Like the food. Your eggs. You thought you were eating eggs, bro.

That's right. All right, well, let's jump into this first story. Let's talk about some authoritarianism. Yeah. From TimCast Breaking, Steve Bannon says at least 35 Trump allies had their homes raided by the FBI on Thursday. He was speaking with Charlie Kirk. Harmeet Dhillon came out, said can confirm. Confirm this happened to many Trump allies I know as well. So I'm wondering if it's actually more than 35.

The quote here is there were 35 raids last night, Bannon said. And there's another grand jury coming together on January 6th. The Washington Post reported it. Thirty five senior members of MAGA Republicans, supporters of Donald Trump at the FBI role rolled in on. So I'm wondering, you know, Biden comes out and he says MAGA Republicans are an extreme threat. A lot of us were like, oh, that's their campaign strategy, right? I'm wondering if it's more than that, that they want to prime the American people, say it enough, get enough of their bots and garbage corporate press to agree.

Right. That way, when they start arresting people, they'll say, oh, but you guys know how bad it is, right? Well, it's hard to say for sure, right, exactly what that was.

And it certainly, you know, could be, okay, this is a campaign video and this is the play, right? The play for the midterm elections, well, he can't claim to be a unifier or any of this stuff anymore he can't really run on any of his policies so basically what's his only play left is to gin up his own base by saying hey the other side is so

evil to get out the votes for for democrats um kind of a desperate attempt but i gotta say and this is what i was was talking about the other other day when that speech was given on my podcast, Part of the Problem, that I was saying, look, this really reminded me of like a George W. Bush 2002 speech. It had everything from like, I mean, the creepy red backdrop, the military members like right behind him. This was like it seemed like a war drum speech like if you remember you know 9-11 happened in september 2001 we invade iraq in 2003 but the whole year of 2002 was this slow you know beating the war drums pushing the war propaganda about what saddam hussein is doing and it did have that feel to it i think that look let's just call it what it is. Donald Trump for four years was framed for treason by his own deep state, by his own intelligence apparatus. Now, that is kind

of a real thing. That's something pretty interesting that you have the CIA and the FBI and the NSA working to oust a democratically elected president with help from the corporate press oh yes with help from the corporate press from uh from social media from big tech from the you know pretty both uh both parties as well so now what you're really seeing is that it has definitely been deemed unacceptable to the establishment for Donald Trump to be reelected. I mean, not reelected, elected again, whatever you want to call it. Think about that. What a devastating blow that would be for their narrative. And I think that after the FBI raid in Mar-a-Lago, they went big. There's no, I don't think they can do that and not follow this up with

something big. They can't just raid a former president's house and then say all right we didn't find anything it's nothing they got to go for it now so this is you know again if bannon is is telling the truth and this is what happened this is another major escalation in that step bannon's not the kind of guy to hoax like this no and and harmeet dellin's a lawyer she's not this hyper partisan i mean she's obviously you know partisan in a certain sensehillon's a lawyer. She's not this hyper-partisan. I mean, she's obviously partisan in a certain sense, but she's a lawyer coming out saying can confirm this happened. I take it seriously. The thing I think that the general public should actually look when they see this, okay, cool. You don't like Trump. You love Trump. Whatever thing you fall in that space. I think the thing that the general public should really be thinking about is these are a weaponization of entire intelligence communities to go after presidents and to slow somebody up for their, okay that has resources that has access that has all

of these other different things the general public should be thinking more so about do you want to vote for a guy come in a few years do you want to vote for a party do you want to vote for a system or a group that has consistently shown you because it's not just on the left they're just the guys in charge the democrats now and they're unhinged with it like that whole mar-a-lago thing adrian norman really he posted on his twitter page it's like here right here it's saying this was sent by biden yeah clear clearing you know whatever so this is just to clarify this one's interesting biden and may requested what the documents they thought trump had were yeah then they go and raid trump's mara like mar-a-lago with the feds you know a few months later and so it's did biden literally

say i want you to raid his house or did he go oh won't someone please get me these documents and then wink wink nudge nudge the feds went and did it i think is again like we were saying before camera i'm past the point of believing that this is incompetence agreed um it's too it's too strategic you know the sun rises and and if you're depending on your location the sun's right there every at this time the sun's going to be here that is an organized phenomenon it's too many oopses and yeah because we're looking at biden as this you know the old dude that's struggling with dementia and we kind of like that might be the drunken monkey like i'm not above this is a very intricate movie we made this joke before that biden bumbles and fumbles off stage and then as soon as he's behind the

curtain he stands up evil and he goes all right did they buy it now let's go blow up some kids in the middle east right well i i but i also think But I also think how much of it went up to Joe Biden and how aware he was, it's almost irrelevant at a certain point. I mean, we know it went to Merrick Garland, right? So he already said in his own press conference that this was his decision. So it went to very high places. I don't know if that's, at that point, who really cares, whether it was the president or just his attorney general? Right. You know, like his teammate. I think what's important, too, to recognize with this is that it's not even like really a left versus right thing.

This is a power versus non-power thing. This is an establishment anti-establishment thing. I mean, think about the way the someone I disagree with on a ton of things. But think about the way the establishment turned against Bernie Sanders, you know, in 2016, really rigging the entire election against him in the Democratic primary. Think about the way in 2020, when he was looking very good against Joe Biden,

they were on MSNBC and CNN calling his supporters brown shirts and Nazis. What do you think the system would do if Bernie Sanders had been elected president? So- But I want to clarify that. They mounted a procedural effort against Bernie Sanders had been elected president. So I want to clarify that they they mounted a procedural effort against Bernie Sanders, like questions were being given to Hillary Clinton in advance by CNN.

In 2020, they had the three moderates drop out and all endorsed Joe Biden at the same time. So it's this it's this bad. And Elizabeth Warren stay in. Right. They had her stay in. So the one who is splitting votes from him stays in. All the ones who are splitting votes from him stays in all the ones

who were splitting votes from joe biden get out and endorse biden so it's it's it's this like they they they flex and bend the system so everything always skews in their favor in those ways and what happened and they did that with trump too but it didn't work for once it didn't work and that guy got in and so it's just the, the thing that should be eyeopening to regular people is that you go, look, if ever you supported a candidate from the left wing perspective who deviated from the establishment too much, they would crack down on him in the same way.

And the thing that the Trump supporters should be questioning about how, how much loyalty you have to Donald Trump going forward is just like Donald Trump appointed Ray to the head of the FBI. He is the guy. You know, if his mission, his stated mission, was to drain the swamp, well, man, he got drained by that swamp. He hired Bolton. Right.

Like everybody went. Dude, Bolton, Pompeo, Barr, you know, Ray, all of these guys, his entire team. He had no clue who to trust and who not to trust, and he got rolled by all of them. Fauci, he kept Fauci on the job through all of 2020. Is that, I cannot believe that that's incompetence. I do not believe that that's incompetence. And again, my job is to look at the general public and saying, hey, this looks fishy.

And if you see it from the left or the right or whatever, if this looks fishy, is this where you want to put your energy locally, state or federally? Do you want to get behind those types of things again? Because it's walking like a duck, bro. It's been walking like a duck, looking like a duck for however long. But this is what we're seeing right now. If the 35 raids on trump allies we're watching a revolution happen we are we are watching a political faction with control of law enforcement using it to crush political opposition historically when you see things like this happen

it's typically how you end up with a uniparty system now i think for the most part there are democrats and republicans for a long time have been the UTA party as it was with this fake, you know, this false adversary. Right, right, right. But Donald Trump storms the gates. Trump supporters, Bernie Sanders supporters tried storming the gates too. Bernie was too nice of a guy, I guess. He was too weak.

He couldn't get in that ivory tower. Bernie Sanders walked up to the ivory tower with a bunch of these lefties, shake their fist. They say, let us in, let us in. And they spit on him. And then he apologizes. Donald Trump, they came with a battering ram. Then they bring in the big orange bull who just rampages about.

They want to regain control of the establishment. This is how they're trying to do it, by purging and arresting all of their opposition. Let me tell you real quick just how scary it gets. They're going after Trump supporters. They're going after Trump people. They're not going after Republicans. The Republicans are going to be the establishment. But I'll tell you what happened when I was in Egypt, when they had the second revolution. They realized that the political split between the more secular type Egyptians and the Muslim Brotherhood was too great. And there was only one solution. And they did.

Do you know what the military decided to do to stop the constant revolution? They had a revolution. They had a revolution again. They just went and started killing the Muslim Brotherhood. They just went out, started arresting, started firing guns at and just attacking their protests. Now, it's not that bad. They're not going out and just killing Trump supporters. But it's because we're in a different degree of warfare.

That's third generational.. They're not going out and just killing Trump supporters. But it's because we're in a different degree of warfare. That's third generational. Now we're in fifth. They're using the power of law enforcement to make sure Trump's people can't assist him and that his ideas and his leadership are gone. Yeah. Well, it's interesting when you say we're in a revolution. And you could really think about in the history of the United States of America, like we have kind of this idea that we've had one regime since 1776, but really there's been

many revolutions along the way. I mean, we had a revolution where we overthrew the Articles of Confederation and installed the Constitution. We certainly had a revolution with Abraham Lincoln where we fought a civil war. I think you could argue

that FDR kind of was a revolution. Well, my point would be here. The revolution was 2020. The revolution isn't 2022. The revolution was having the lockdown regime, having what bordered on a color-coded revolution with these kind of like very, let's say, sponsored mass rioting and protesting in the streets.

I mean, this is right out of the playbook of what we do in other countries. And so this is the follow-up to that. The 529 insurrection. When they went to the White House, ripped down the barricades, injured dozens of federal agents, set fire to a guard post, set fire to a church and forced the president into a bunker. Yeah. And no one talks about that. It's very interesting. So this is the follow up to that. Like if this big push was made, you can look at that Time magazine piece about how they stole the election from Donald Trump.

If this big push was made to get Trump out and put Joe Biden in. Well, this is now the follow up to that. Now, how do you this is usually after a revolution. You have this period where then you have to crack down on the dissidents to make sure that the power that you took is now contained. It's all part of the revolutionary process you mentioned the civil war a civil war happens when factions fight each other and neither side can just take it right what we're watching now is i don't know i don't care if it's democrats it is the elite and they are using and mostly as democrats and there are some you know former

republican neocon types but but they, what we're seeing is still the revolutionary period. So if in November Republicans win, then the revolution is not complete. If in 2024 Trump wins, then the revolution- Then the revolution failed. Right.

To some degree. But sitting here watching, I can't believe that we have a story that 35 Trump, senior Trump people were raided by feds. Like that is such a dramatic escalation. I think they're doing what's going to come out of this is this is the Streisand effect. They're doing something. They're thinking about we got to keep Trump out.

They're not thinking about the general public watching going. You guys are shitty. They're doing a lot of the heavy lifting for us. And I don't mean that in a good way. Like, oh, great. Yeah. Raid more, you know, MAGA extremists so-called. And then the heavy lifting for us. And I don't mean that in a good way, like, oh, great, yeah, raid more, you know, extremists, so-called, and then the people will wake up. But that's kind of like, in a weird way, what's happening. The general public, how many times are y'all hearing guys that may have voted for Biden?

And they've fought you tooth and nail in 20-whatever, right? 19, yeah, this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, after a year and a half, two years, they're like, bro, I don't know. I don't really they may not be willing to say, yeah, I'm going this way completely. But they're also going like, nah, something's wrong here. I don't even like how this feels. Economically, they're doing something this massive overcorrection that the general public is, I think, for me, I don't think that anybody's just going, yeah, we're going Biden. And I don't think that they're going, we're raiding these people

and people aren't seeing. I think it would work if it was more clandestine. I want to jump to this story here. And it's brutal. Man arrested after beheading young mother in the middle of San Carlos Street, law enforcement sources.

Now, they may have had a domestic issue. The guy attacks her and then uses a sword to remove her head in view of the public. There's two things I noticed from this. There was a story, I think it was a few months ago, maybe a year ago, about a woman who was on a subway train when a man raped her. That was in Philly. Everybody watched. They filmed it and just let it happen.

I thought to myself, how does that happen that people just stand there and watch that? Watch someone do that. Same thing here. Now, I get it with this story. Dude has a sword, right? Okay, guy's got a sword. What can you really do? Shoot him.

But, yes, of course. Since Maj did. No, no, I agree. That was the correct answer, Maj. Not in California. No. Not in California where they criminalize self-defense. Is that where that happened?

It was in Cali? Yeah, so here's my point, right? We're segueing off of this, you know, what's happening with this revolution. And you made a really good point before the show, Dave. You said that they're decriminalizing, like they're letting people go with all this violent crime, and then they're criminalizing self-defense. Right. That is an untenable situation for any civilization, and the only result can be collapse. Well, you know, something really interesting about, like, the kind of rise of the progressive prosecutors who, you know, from my perspective, a lot of times as they were

running in some places where they need to get elected or as they were like campaigning for the job, they made points that I thought were somewhat reasonable when they were talking about, you know, things like bail reform, where, look, you certainly can make the argument that it's a pretty messed up system that if you have money, you get out of jail. And if you don't have the money, you have to stay in jail until trial. There's a really reasonable argument to have there.

There's certainly a reasonable argument that over the last 40 years in America, we have been way too harsh on crimes like drug possession, even drug distribution, on crimes like gun possession. You know, these things, it's outrageous the amount of people's lives who we've ruined for these nonviolent victimless crimes.

So the progressive prosecutors kind of used that popular energy to rise up. And then they went, okay, but not only are we going to do that, we're also going to go really easy on violent criminals. We're also going to decriminalize not just shoplifting but strong-armed robbery carjacking and all of this because we don't want to throw throw away the book for anyone except when someone's exercising self-defense then they become reaganite drug warrior prosecutors who want to throw the book at you who want to like throw you you know, 30 years in jail for, so it creates- Control demolition.

Yes, it creates this thing that is obviously just going to destroy civilization. You can't have a society where you legalize property crimes and violent crimes, de facto legalize them, and then punish people for defending themselves. They are punishing the good, the let me live my life happily and leave me alone, and exonerating, allowing, commuting, protecting the bad. Quite literally, it's like letting the demons loose, and it's an inversion of what the system is. It's protecting evil. And my only point there is that basically that like the conservative prosecutors gave them this lane from 40 years of insane, aggressive prosecutions of people for like drug possession charges.

So then they could run against that and then be like, isn't that so horrible? And then they give us this insanity. What we need is libertarian prosecutors, basically, is that, yes, let's not throw people in jail for drug possession or gun possession. But also, if you defend your life or your property, then we should always come down on the side of that person and against the criminal. It should be like this. I'm imagining there's like a DA and there's like a courtroom and some guy mugged some other guy.

And so here they both are. One dude's on trial for the crime. One dude's, you know, the victim. And then the judge is just like, OK, so, you know, we've heard all the evidence. It really does sound like you mugged this guy. Then he looks over at the victim and says, do you have a gun? And he goes, no, I don't. He goes, OK, so restitution will be we're going to give you a gun. It's cheaper to give you a gun than put this guy in jail. We're going to tell this guy don't commit crimes because the next time dude's going to be armed and so will everyone else. I'm kidding, by the way. But the idea is like if people were armed, good law-abiding citizens

who are armed down in West Virginia, I've never had a problem with them. I saw a guy walking down the street with a crossbow once and I'm like, how's it going? Do you support

prosecuting violent crime? Oh, yeah. Of course. What about people that command people to do violence? I'm sorry. So someone who gives the orders? Will someone read me up this priest?

Things like that. And then someone goes and does it. No, that one's a different question. Yeah, this is why people who command other people to do violence ought to be prosecuted too. That's why George W. Bush and Barack Obama should all be in a cell somewhere for the wars that they wage.

Hey, did you guys know that Obama murdered? And Trump too, and Biden too. Obama literally murdered a kid. I want to pardon Hey, did you guys know that Obama murdered- And Trump, too, and Biden, too. Obama literally murdered a kid. Because it's like, I want to pardon all- What do you mean? We put these people- Obama murdered a kid. Oh, yeah.

Several. Yeah, several. But no, nobody, like an American citizen- Anwar al-Awlaki's son. Abdur Rahman. Right, right. But we don't even need to say that. We can just say, did you know that Barack Obama murdered a kid?

Yeah. Like, murdered an American kid? People are going to be like, what? Like, an American kid? It wasn't murder because it was legal. No, it wasn't. Literally it was not legal. The Patriot Act lets them bomb anybody it wants. Not even that. It was a civilian restaurant in a country

we weren't at war with. He blew up civilians, an American citizen, and we weren't at war with Yemen. It was the definition of like, it wasn't even a war crime because we're not at war. It was just literally Obama murdering somebody. Yeah, and by the way, that's when Obama was drone bombing Yemen up to 2009, 2010 when we were drone bombing to supposedly kill al-Qaeda. But then he switched and, okay, we continued the bombing campaign to this day on the side of al-Qaeda because now we're against the Houthis because we had to kind of win over favor with the Saudis again.

So we kept that war going this entire time and switched sides. And we are still to this day currently fighting on the side of Al-Qaeda. So mix war crimes with treason with genocide. Yeah. And that's what you've got in Yemen right now. Donald Trump was like,

why do we have troops over there? And Donald Trump was trying to get our troops out. Donald Trump was lied to by, I can't remember who lied to him, but Syria. Told them that we- Yeah, they bragged about it. They forced to keep our troops in. We had the Abraham Accords. We had Trump negotiating with North Korea.

We had Trump basically being like, I don't know why we're involved in any of this stuff. This is costing us money for no reason. Yeah, but no excuses for him, man. Because he, first of all, he wrote up like, first off, he got tricked into surging in Afghanistan before he finally agreed to end it. And then he agrees to end it on a timeline that will be on the next guy's administration. I guess he assumed he was getting reelected, but he took that risk. By the way, he had Colonel Douglas McGregor come in to the Defense Department in the lame duck session after he lost the election, but before he was out.

And he wrote up the order to remove all troops from Syria and Afghanistan, and Trump signed it. And then the next day, Trump took it back because someone got in the room with him and convinced him not to do it. And he did this over and over and over again. So it is true that they all misled him and lied to him. But like no excuses for the commander in chief and president. He had four years in there of being the commander in chief.

The genocide in Yemen continued every single day of his administration. By the way, 1833stopwar.com. Go there. There's a war powers resolution coming up. This is the big project of the Libertarian Party right now to try to get you to go call your congressman. There's a bill in the Congress, in the House and the Senate to try to bring an end to this genocide. I got to push back a little bit just because I think in terms of war, Trump was the best president of my lifetime. Why?

Because he was getting our troops out. He didn't start any new ones. Okay. He didn't start any new ones. Okay. He didn't start any new ones. He definitely gave it his best try when he murdered Soleimani and could have gotten us into the worst war in the last 20 years. I didn't say that was good. Who was better? Every other president in my life started several wars. And so I understand.

Like, bro. Okay, but started. Listen, I i like that talking point i like that the talking point is he didn't start a new war rather than it being like he was so great because he was so aggressive you know like he was such a war hawk like it would have been with previous republicans but i mean okay he didn't start any new wars that is technically true again he flirted in iran and flirted in uh venezuela but you know the the number of civilian casualties actually went up in his you know he didn't end any of the wars he continued all of them uh well he okay i give him all the credit in the world he authored the deal that ultimately ended the war in afghanistan and by the way even though he botched the execution i give biden credit too for ending that fine but donald trump was the war in Afghanistan. And by the way, even though he botched the execution, I give Biden credit too for ending that.

Fine. But Donald Trump was the commander in chief for four years on the promise that he was going to end these wars. I know. No excuse making for that. He kept them all going for all four years. I think the difference in our perspectives is, because I agree with you,

but my thing is like, I have to be positive on people who are making progress so that we can continue to encourage the election of people who will follow further and further in that direction of... But then I'll say, if we want to make progress... But he didn't really make progress, is what I'm saying. If more people are being killed... Abraham, of course.

If more... What is that? So that's a... What deal? What piece did he strike? With who? So when you have planes that are traveling over Israel, when you have countries like, what is it, Saudi Arabia, among other Arabic nations that are now allowing an inter-country

commerce, it's just a step in the right direction. No, there was no war between Saudi Arabia and Israel. There was no war between the U.E.A. and Israel. If you had the passport stamp. So basically what he did was in these peace deals is he basically bought off these other Muslim countries to be friends with Israel

when they had vowed to not be friends with Israel over their treatment of the Palestinian people. And so we bribed them with U.S. taxpayer dollars to look the other way and let Israel do what they want to do

to the Palestinian people in order to not be enemies with them. So if that's a peace deal, fine. But if I'm talking about the actual wars, the war in Yemen, the war in Somalia, the wars in all of these countries, like, no, he didn't end them. So that's the type of peace deal I'd be looking for. So I agree with you. I want to see progress. But I think the way to get progress is to say like, no, that's not good enough. We're actually expecting when we when you run on saying we're going to end the wars, that means end the freaking wars, like end them all. This is insane. We're draining. We're bankrupting our country to be the empire of the world. And for what? What do we even get out of it what do we got okay in the last 20 years in iraq afghanistan libya syria somalia pakistan yemen like all these campaigns what have we gotten for you petrodollar yeah opium and lithium maybe no no no no no no it's the petrodollar right it's that we don't have to do anything to buy oil literally nothing. The funny thing about that is that it's like, even that, how does that benefit the American

people? I mean, it benefits the Federal Reserve, right? Like, they can print all the money they want, and there's still something that's kind of backing up its currency. It does. But how is that actually benefiting regular people? Well, I'll tell you. It allows their government to rape them even more. But it does benefit the

American people. I'm not a fan of how the system works. But it does benefit the American people. I'm not a fan of how the system works, but it does. So the GDP of, say, Brazil has to be high so they can with... What's the Brazilian currency? Man, I can't... Someone... I'll hook it up. I believe it's the Brasilio. The Brasilio.

That's exactly what it is. So what is it? I should know the answer to this. It's the Mexican peso? No, it's not the Mexican peso in Brazil. You sure? Ian, yes, I'm pretty sure. The Brazilian real?

Yes, the real. I don't know why Mexican peso came up when I asked. The real. So in order to buy oil, they got to trade that for petrodollars. They got to trade it for the dollar so they can buy on the market. With us, what we do is U.S. currency is created upon the transaction of a loan. So when you buy a house, the bank just manifests

half a million dollars for the house or whatever it is you're buying. And that money appears in the bank account of the person who sold the house. It was not, nothing was done to make that happen. In Brazil, you've got to actually sell stuff.

You've got to actually make stuff. You've got to trade stuff. And you've got to do it internationally. Your GDP has to be higher. Your exports have to be higher than your imports. So that means people have to be making things and selling them overseas, where in the United States, the American people can literally do nothing. And the U.S. government can acquire oil that we use for machinery, for production, for

food subsidies. It does benefit the American people. No, so all of that's right. But it's like, which of the American people is it benefiting really? And because what I'm seeing throughout this entire process is the entire working class in the American, of America being hollowed out, right? And so, yes, it's benefiting the people.

What it allows is like, it benefits the speculators trading in the Wall Street casino, and it benefits the people who work for weapons companies or the think tanks that are funded by those weapons companies who go and lobby for the next war. But I'm telling you that I think overall, it's a net negative for the average American. What it is is the lifeblood. It's the lifeblood of the empire. But the empire is the enemy of the republic. It's the enemy of the people. I agree.

I prefer a system where people work, trade, and you have what you make. You use your hands, you use your mind, you make, you create, you live a good life. You share with your neighbors, your neighbors come together, you build something great. And that should be from within our borders. And we can do international trade when other countries agree to trade with us. I don't like the system of the reserve. There's an argument that's made often about if we don't do it, China will fill the power vacuum. And there's questions about a unipolar Chinese world and things like that,

or I should say Chinese communist world. My thing is, I don't think any of the wars have ever been justified. They've made ridiculous justifications for them. But if you actually look at what the goal of these wars were, if you look at the goal of why they're giving money away, it's simple. Why did Syria happen? Let's just say I agree with you, Maj. I'm done believing this stuff is an accident. The United States said they – okay, so we go back to the – you're familiar with the Qatar-Turkey pipeline deal, all that stuff. The U.S. wanted to build a pipeline with their allies from Iraq, Syria, Turkey into Europe, offset Russia's monopoly.

Syria said no. We're allies with Russia. Conveniently, somehow a civil war erupted in Syria. And then we were just on the side against the dude who blocked our natural gas pipeline. So that would have upset Gazprom. Lo and behold, the conflict in Ukraine, it's all part of the same thing. Russia now is strangling out with prices, you know, energy prices in Europe. The whole purpose of what we've done internationally is effectively a hostage situation so that everyone has to use the dollar to buy oil with. And the reason we give money out when you're like, why are we giving $12 million to gender studies in Pakistan during a pandemic when we're shut down and our economy is collapsing? Because if you give them the money, they will use it. And so long as they use it, confidence remains in the currency, which we use, so we can buy oil and not have to do work.

It is a hostage situation across the board. I'm not a fan of it. I don't think it's good. I don't think any of it's justified. But this is what they don't tell the regular people. But at a certain point, long term, again, empires doing empire shit is one thing. Constitutional republics respecting the citizens and not trying to just go murder people to justify it for that dollar. I think you both have excellent points. You're saying this is why.

We completely agree. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. We're basically on the same page. I'm just saying that the entire what this has led to the entire consumer economy, rather than kind of like the economy of, because basically it went from gold standard to petro standard. Like that was basic.

I mean, there's a few years in between, but it was all, it was early 70s to mid 70s when we went from the petrodollar, when we went from the gold standard to the petrodollar. And what happens then is you enter into this age of like wild inflation. And by the way, inflation has been happening all the way throughout,

just depending on how you measure it. You know, it's like they use the CPI to measure inflation. But if you really sit back and think about it, what were the price of things in the 70s versus the price of things now? Everything is drastically more expensive.

Go talk to like your parents about who anyone who like bought a home, what they bought a home for in the 70s. Yeah, yeah, right. Inflation has been with us this whole time and it's shown in lots of different ways. parents about who anyone who like bought a home what they bought a home for in the 70s yeah yeah right the inflation has been with us this whole time and it's it's it's shown in lots of different ways but this economy i think has done much more damage that then it has benefited regular american people what it's done is kind of put out of uh they've it's put the basic things that most people want out of reach. The idea that like, hey, we could have, let's say, one job in this family and that could

support the entire family. Oh, with that one job, we could own a house and send our kids to college and have health insurance and have all of the basic things that most regular people want. Now, with the husband and wife working, it's still completely out of reach. So I don't buy into this narrative that we're benefiting. Empire is more of a cost than it is a

benefit. But there's a lot of complicated nuances around the idea. Get out of here, fly. Are you working for the empire? Yeah, that moth has been harassing you. So a lot of people say stuff like, you know, 70 years ago, a high school education was enough to raise a family, to support a family of five. And it's like, what did you need to own? You didn't need to own things, right?

Today, you have to have a computer. You have to have a phone. And it's because let's say you go work at any job. Let's say you want to be a pizza delivery boy. You better have a cell phone, right? Right. Well, phones have gotten a lot cheaper, but you require certain materials now that people didn't require before. It's like you could go to get a job working somewhere, and it's like phones were there as part of the company.

But the phone isn't really what's putting people, isn't what's making people bankrupt, right? I mean, those kids can afford a phone. I'm saying there's a lot of different factors that play into this. One of them is the expansive requirements, the services we require. You need to pay your internet bill. You need to buy a phone.

You need to have a vehicle. Like all of these things compound. So, you know, my parents growing up, like they didn't need a TV. They didn't need phones. They didn't need anything. They had empty studio apartments with the mattress on the floor.

And it was like not living well, but it was like you didn't have to worry about extensive bills. So regardless of inflation, there's more material expenses that are compounding. But I think there's also like the prices. I mean, if you think about it like this, right, where if you go, if a lot of those kids who bought into that and all went to college because they were told this is what we have to do. And these are a lot of the same kids who are begging for debt forgiveness now, which I'm against. But just to say, let's say you go and you're 100 grand in debt now from college. And then you enter a job market post-2008 financial recession. It was not a good job market. So you're like working at Starbucks. So you're working at Starbucks and you have a hundred grand in debt and you're living

at home and the average cost of a house, you know, around you is like $500,000. And the, you know, the, you know, the cost of like college is what college is. The cost of healthcare is what healthcare is. That kid's looking there go, what is the plausible path for say that young man working at Starbucks to get married and support a family? The cost of just schooling and housing and health care and all of the things that the government has bid up to these insane high prices. That, to me, is almost like the essential problem with the soul of America, as joe biden likes to mention it is that we have made the path to just having a life where you start a family and raise your kids and live a nice life damn near impossible well regular people they've solved that problem advocate against having a

family and nobody will there you go problem solved there you go abortion solves this problem that's that's that's we're facing all right here's the here's the solution she has an abortion and There you go. Problem solved. There you go. Abortion solves this problem. Sterilize your kids. That's what we're facing now, right? Here's the solution. She has an abortion and it turns out you're a woman, not a man. Boom. So there you go. Now you have no issue. If we hadn't been on the petrodollar from 1975, the standard of living in the United

States would have been way less, I would imagine. We wouldn't have had access to a tenth. Would we have had a tenth of what like a tenth would we have okay so i guess in essence what do you what the question is tying into like are we saying are you guys saying that we should because this is kind of going in the direction of we should want less is it going that way like is our definition changing because credit credit credit inflation inflation inflation inflation greed greed greed so now want more, but you're chasing more, but now you got more debt and now it's impossible. Well, see, I think it's fine to always want more.

And in many ways we get more like with technological advances. But to your question, Ian, like if there is, if you say, if we had gone off the gold standard, but hadn't gone on to the petrodollar, well, there's still a lot of other questions. Like, so then what would we have done i mean if we had not wasted let's say a trillion dollars a year on maintaining the empire and that trillion dollars had been not extracted from the american economy and just hand it over to basically weapons companies and all of that and that had been left within the american economy then yes i think we'd be way richer than we are for maintaining the American economy. But an even stronger argument is, how about this?

What if we had not gotten off of the gold standard? And what if we had not created the Department of Education and the Department of Homeland Security? And what if we had not had this drastic expansion of government and we had continued to be a somewhat free society? We would be wealthier right now than we can possibly fathom. I'll put it into video game terms for you with civilization. You guys ever play civilization?

What's the latest one? Six? Six. I love civilization. So you build a civil, you start as like a nomadic tribe. You build a city, you develop, you can choose to do technology. There's a bunch of different ways you can win. The way I always play the game is I build a bunch of cities,

have my borders, have a military just to defend our borders, but no excursions, develop science, flying cars, and you know, coastal flood walls, and advanced technology. And with advanced technology,

anybody who tries to invade me, we stop, and we don't go chase them down and that's how i play the game see this how i imagine america uh used to be and could be you know and and uh maybe trump isn't the perfect avatar of bringing this about but the very least being like we'll protect our borders and we'll stop wasting time over there we tried we put no no it was an obvious like if you don't get involved across the world if you're not part of the community somebody's going to be like well i also have access to the technology and i would like to conquer yes but what i'm saying is

the way i go about playing my civilization is yes i will have military capabilities but i don't need to go and conquer all these other lands because i'm scared they might attack me i just if they come at me then i smack them back and i focus on making my country great but if you're if you're playing on difficult and the enemy really wants to destroy you they'll have like 16 bombers ready they'll have nukes they'll have all sorts of weapons that you can't defend against no you can't no matter how don't you tell me about civilization because even you gotta play on god mode man immortal only you play when you when you listen if if you want to play a game where the enemy has an unfair advantage in their resource production that's just a stupid analogy when i'm talking about playing on normal and they have the same rules that i have yes i

build nukes i build weapons and i mind my own effing we should go a pvp version for we'll stream it we'll stream it live and see what happens but it's but in in the real world it's like this right it's like what adam said and he was, and he was right on the money. And I forget, I don't have the exact quote, I'll butcher it. But he goes, if we go around searching for monsters to slay, we will become the dictress of the world, and we will lose our own soul. And that's exactly what's happened to the United States of America, that we've become, we've decided, and look, you can watch this.

It was such a prophetic warning, that even even as like when the Republicans and the evangelical Christians really had so much control of the country and the culture, right, in post 9-11, they used this to say, we're going to go to Iraq. We're going to go to Afghanistan. We're going to fight this war on terrorism. And what's happened to our own soul since then? It's completely collapsed. And I'll say this to right-wingers who really care about

the culture war stuff, they should care about being anti-war more than anything else. Because when does the left-wing degenerate culture really take hold? When did you see the social revolution? It was during Vietnam. When did you see the rise of the woke insanity? It was following the war on terrorism with all of these failed wars. Look, even the idea of like Hitler rising, that was all a consequence of Woodrow Wilson getting us into World War I. We entered into a war we had no business being in.

We entered a world war that would have ended in a stalemate almost certainly and tipped the balance on one side, enforced the Treaty of Vers versailles on the germans we we drew the russian forces out and the bolsheviks took over russia so now you have the rise of communism and nazism it's all woodrow wilson's fault for getting us in that well we we are supposed to be a city on a hill we're supposed to be a free country and if other countries want to emulate us then great but you know what the idea that we're going to bring

freedom all around the world when we can't even protect it here. You're telling me the country that had lockdowns is going to bring freedom to what? The Muslim world? Give me a break. And this is the important point for you, Ian, too. Your argument would dictate that we gear up for a beaching of China. No, no, no. I mean, I know what you guys are saying.

They got concentration camps right now where they're raping women, they're forcing abortions on them, and they're in concentration camps. They're expanding rapidly around the world. They wanted to build the Nicaraguan Canal, which would have wiped out a natural water aquifer just because, and it was ridiculous how long it would have been, had to have been, because we have the Panama Canal. They're doing exploration and land purchases in the United States, in South America and Africa. They have the Belt and Road Initiative. They are doing so much that is expanding their power. The South China Sea, Taiwan, not to mention the concentration camps and the skirmishes on the border. Where are they at? India? So if that is your criteria, we should have already invaded them a long time ago.

They haven't been invading anybody, though. If Hitler had exterminated the Jews without an invasion, no one would have stopped him. I mean, what right do you have to go into a sovereign nation and tell them how to run their show? It's just... So that's the point of saying we're a city on a hill. Because to your point, that's what we've been doing,andestine or overt for decades at this point and by the way no one did stop hitler from genociding the jews right i mean i i guess the soviets liberated like the last few hundred of them or something like that but he got away with his genocide and it only happened after the war

you know what i mean like so it's if, the idea that the war prevented the genocide of the Jews. I know a little something about this as a Jew whose family is from Germany. No genocide was prevented. You know what I mean? So really, the truth is that all we can do, and this is unfortunate, but the reality is that large swaths of the world are authoritarian nightmares. And all that happens when we raise up this military industrial complex in the name of battling that is we become an authoritarian nightmare as well. Unfortunately, it's like the analogy I like to use is it's like if you were sitting there in your house and you're worrying about your neighbor's marriage while your marriage is falling apart. You know, like you're literally, your marriage is falling apart, know like you're literally your marriage is falling apart but you're really concerned about how the guy down the street is treating but if you see the guy down the streets like kicking doors married to abner and bewitched that lady

oh the uh the actress you know she's always watching from across the way yes yes they're they're like i got that one yes it's true but if neighbor down the street's like breaking down the doors of other neighbors, then you're like, are we just going to sit here? Like at what point do we get involved? Okay, so then, but then at the same time, man, if you're going to use this analogy, then when do people start checking America? I love that we always just imagine ourselves. We're the ones who are stopping other people from breaking down the doors.

Like who's broken down more doors do you listen man between the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan and the war in yemen and the war in in syria and the war in somalia and the drone campaign in pakistan and the war in yemen what do you think the total death count is it's in the millions dude and millions and we are the we are the ones we're the world's terrorists right now so if anyone should kick down any doors it should and by the way i'm not like a lefty blame america first i love america i love this country i hate our government i'm talking about our government right now i'm not some left winger like there's problematic toxic masculinity or something i'm telling you, these are the blood-soaked monsters in our government. They are the ones who should be checked.

And let's point out the purpose of NATO, which was? Well, supposedly it was to stop the Soviet Union from encroaching into Western Europe. Hey, we did that. And now what's NATO doing? Oh, they're encroaching into Eastern Europe. Same thing. No, they became that. We promised, when the Soviet Union collapsed, we promised both verbally and in writing that NATO would not move one inch to the east.

That was the deal we made the Soviet Union. We said, look, let all your satellites break up, okay? Let them have their sovereignty, and we promise you we won't move NATO one inch to the east. And every single president since then has expanded has has um included more eastern european countries and now finland is getting on board that's right so i think finland including trump by the way who brought two more into nato who did he bring in on the board yeah who's i you have to look that up or the the trump was it estonia under trump was it estonia no no no i i might be wrong about that i feel like the liberal economic order was spun up to prevent World War III, which it

kind of has, except we're in a fifth generational world war right now. This is techno war. See, I think the excuse was to prevent World War III, but I think the truth is that this is just kind of the natural. This is like it's the Adams quote. We lost our soul. So once we won the first world war, was like all right well do we just go back to being a city on a hill now i don't know we're the toughest guys in the world and then once we

did it again when the second world war it was like oh okay well now we have half of europe stalin has half of europe and now it's a competition to who can rule the whole it's like you got they get drawn into the game of world domination empire's doing empire shit and the basics of it all is it's time it's been time to fucking pull back the difference is the part that i think a lot of times we don't see now is the actual death the actual fucking murder the babies, the actual people being fucking killed, because otherwise media can spin up this argument that the things that Dave is like breaking down. Media can make it look like, oh, those are the actual bad guys and we're just here to protect us from those guys. Never mind. OK, yeah, we're going to have this conversation about election meddling and all of these other different things.

But let's ignore the fact that our government, so-called deep state, whatever, has been doing it forever. I think that part is the general public is going to have to ask, do you want to be the Republican, the free folk, and fall back and hold those parties or those public servants in that position to do that? Or are you okay with just being the empire? But empires generally fall yeah let me that's right can i just say real quickly there's that even if you don't care

about like the the innocent women and children being slaughtered in all of these countries like hypothetically if you're just like that's not your thing okay look what it's given us right like this whole like domestic war on terrorism now that joe biden is pointing in at donald trump supporters what's he using he's going to use the patriot act and the department of homeland security and everything that those guys supported that they voted for in the name of fighting the muslims right and that's what's going to be turned on their own people and what did every single one of us say as activists in the late 2000s and early 2010s hell what obama was doing was this is exactly what is going to happen you know i appreciated uh greg gutfeld who i love

who's uh he's got a show on fox news as a lot of you know i'm sure but he said he was like you know i was one of those guys and he he named me as one of the people like he was like you know all these people would tell me like glenn greenwald and dave smith and like and i think he said matt taibbi i need to go they all go you know if the government can do this to muslims they can do it to you and i was like no they'd never do that and i really appreciate it and he admitted it he goes hey i might have been right about that i uh i gotta say there was a point hey man even tucker right a lot of people who were very much pro pro machine are now going hey i think we were wrong about that yeah i'm like respect i give tucker a lot of credit for that because he was like a real supporter

of the war in Iraq, I believe in 2003, 2004. And he turned around pretty early. I think it was like 2005. I think he went there and he was like, oh yeah, this is, I was way wrong about this.

And now he's become so weird in this world that the 8 p.m. Fox News hour is the biggest anti-war voice in the corporate press. And here's what we said, because we had an old, we had a boomer on the show, and we told her that feminists are

the pro-war faction now. And she didn't believe it, because she was a feminist. And then it was Richie McGinnis and his mom, and Richie goes, no, yeah, that's right. I said, think about it. You have a group of people, one wearing red hats, one wearing pussy hats. Which side is pro-war? The Trump supporters are more likely to be angry being like, stop.

And the pussy hats are going to be like, how much money can we give to Ukraine for this war effort? Yeah. And I'll tell you, I wish the, like, I'm happy with the movement to being more anti-war on the right. I think it's like the best development in the last 15 years. But I just want, I want them to be better. You know what I mean?

I think they're still not quite good enough but yeah it is crazy how much the left was co-opted although i will say that what's kind of interesting is that a lot of the people who are really good on the left are now just labeled as right-wingers right and i think you kind of fall into that category of course jimmy door's right wing now that He's a socialist. Glenn Greenwald and Jimmy Dore. That's how you be. Right. And I think you fall into that category too. You were kind of one of the people who would have considered yourself on the left who as

that switch happened were like, well, no, I'm not going to go into being the pro-CIA pro-war camp. That's not what we are. When they started coming after Julian Assange, I was like, why is the left all of a sudden mad at the guy who's good? I don't understand what's going on here.

And then they were like, because he helped Trump. And I'm like, and? Yeah, yeah. What? What I'm saying to y'all is, see, you guys are explaining things from a very highly level, a big understanding of this political thing that's going on, right? Again, simplifying it for the general public, the massive overcorrections, sorry, air quotes, that's happening on right again simplifying it for the general public the massive over over corrections sorry air quotes that's happening on both sides there's general public to your point

about you that are going like hey this is the standard that i stand for i'm objective here it doesn't matter who i'm not going to switch because it's oh he said he was giving trump he was helping trump no he was he was saying the thing that was right right what we have to do is make sure that we're translating this to the general public that understands like hey they're feeling that same way nah I was with this but that I thought I was with that but that's bullshit it's so hard when you look like Jennifer Lawrence gave an interview where she said we could have had Hillary Clinton but people just wouldn't vote for her because she had a vagina and I'm like well for me it was because she wanted to start a war with Russia

because she said, we came, we saw he died. She was Secretary of State while we were blowing up kids and giving lucrative contracts to our buddy. It's so, by the way, not only is it untrue and that there's plenty of reasons to hate Hillary Clinton, it is the complete inverse of what is true.

What is true is that Hillary Clinton was only there because she was a woman. She was married to the president and then gifted a Senate seat in a state she didn't even live in off of that and then ran for president off that

and lost to Barack Obama but because she was the second best given the Secretary of State role. The fact is that she walked into the role because she was a woman but yeah there's lots of reasons to uh to hate hillary this is where they are so i i had a i have a friend who's a hollywood actress and this was a couple years ago and she said something like passively like the only reason they voted for him was to hate brown people and then i was like what does that mean like what do

you mean by that and she's like the trump supporters like they don't actually care about policy they just hate brown people and i was like is that does that mean? Like, what do you mean by that? And she's like, the Trump supporters, like, they don't actually care about policy. They just hate brown people. And I was like, is that what you think about these people? Because, like, I'll give you an example. I was in Anaheim, and there were three Trump supporters, two young guys, one older guy. And I asked them why they supported Trump, and they said, actually, they were Bernie supporters. But when given the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Donald Trump was as close as they could get to a Bernie Sanders. Not that they were particularly close, but a lot of issues they were. And so they said, I'll take it because those matter to me. Had nothing to do with

race at all. You know, but there were like there were hundreds of districts that went for Obama that flipped to Trump in 2016. I mean, the idea that race was the driving you know factor in that is silly my point here is you're right we got to find their level but when people genuinely are misled and live in bubble world echo chamber cult land because of the media it is not that easy well no no it's not it's not gonna be fucking easy what i'm saying is we just have a severe opportunity here and i say severe because and i choose that word carefully. Severe meaning this opportunity, you might not even like get it again. Like there is absolutely no way that you have these type of conversations. Right.

And people are seeing that pendulum keep going both boom, left, right, boom, red, blue, red, blue. We have a severe opportunity to go, well, here's options here's libertarian here's okay here's independent these people are tired you just have to explain it to them yeah that's you got it like you got it like okay you you may not be able to do it on facebook because in about two weeks they're going to start shutting anything that's leaning anywhere right of center the shit is getting suppressed well it's true and you know i i like to say i might have said this on the show before once too but i got sometimes you'll like um you could be looking through like you know going on a youtube journey and you'd go to like you know you scroll on like these social justice warrior you know like videos and then you'll scroll on like some alt-right videos and like all this and you go oh my god we're like on the verge of a race war in this country but then

you go to the supermarket and you like you know like you like some black guy walks in front of you and he goes oh pardon me and you go oh no you're good go ahead and then you go to the supermarket and you like, you know, like you like some black guy walks in front of you and he goes, oh, pardon me. And you go, oh, no, you're good. Go ahead. And then you open it and you're like, no, you know, I think we're fine. I'm like, I don't think any of this is real. And I'm saying that. But you're wrong. Well, I don't think I am.

I think that the vast majority of people in this country really are sick of the culture. They care about the fact that prices are getting out of control. They care about the fact that the economy is not working for them. And the truth is that we need, this is what the whole- Yes, yes, yes. That's true. It's the economy, stupid. But see, people say things like, you know, Bill Burr said this recently on Trigonometry.

He's like, you go on the internet, people, the Civil War or whatever, but then you go in the real world, people are just minding their own business, doing their thing. It's like, yes, it's no surprise to me that when you are in a liberal area, liberals are fine with each other. It's no surprise to me that when you go to a conservative area, conservatives are fine with each other. But go to an area where the streams, the rivers are mixing and you're seeing people get shot in the chest like Aaron Danielson. When those clashes start happening, it's like, oh, yes new york is overwhelmingly liberal so they're not fighting each other they're still riots we i went down to a conservative area where the cafes the fast food

restaurants all had like bible study on the walls and i'm like man a chick-fil-a gets protests in the city that's where the streams mix and they don't get along and there's there's violent riots and what's the well i'm not i'm not denying any of that but I'm saying that there's way more people way more than those incidents are people who are just really worried about like their and your daughter who's like failing out of eighth grade math and their son who's like got to go to college next year and what America needs this is what we're trying to push is that what we really need is like solutions to the problems that actually matter this is why this is why i really highly encourage people to give the libertarian party a look lp.org join come check us out here's our message okay and let me just get this let me get this out this is my big plug okay we took over the libertarian party these are my people and

maj's people who are in there now here's what we stand for a whole different a whole different option than the Republicans or Democrats. How about end all of the wars, end all of the remnants of the COVID regime and the COVID restrictions, and all of the corporate bailouts, all of this federal militarization of the police, as well as local militarization of the police, and the crazy gun... Well, I'm saying like the entire domestic war on terrorism and the foreign war on terrorism and all of it. War on drugs. And the war on drugs.

Repeal the Patriot Act. Abolish the FBI and the ATF and all of these awful organizations that are a disgrace to a professed free society. Right. And all gun control. Like, let's let's stop locking people in cages. Let's stop. Let's end all of these things that are pitting Americans against each other and give being a free country a shot. That's what we need right now.

We need a revolution of freedom in this country. Those are the people that even when you explain it that way, I live in a lefty city. People are clearly, they know that we do firearms training. They know that, oh, he's pictures with donald trump jr they they know all of this there's no way shape or form in explaining that to that group of people they're like no that that seemed i thought you would you guys were like crazy but now that we've had this actual genuine outreach now that changes the dynamic my point in saying that is i think that's the part where because both so-called sides are tired, that that gives us that severe opportunity.

And that's where that conversation needs to continue. This is why on the surface I'm in favor of ranked choice voting because my first choice would be the Libertarian Party, particularly because the Mises caucus took over. But I have the fear right now that I vote for the Libertarian Party. Democrats could win. So this is the inherent problem of the first past the post system is that my best bet is just vote Republican, even if it's Donald Trump, because I don't want to see the Democrats take maintain control. Yeah. But locally. Well, well, but there's also like locally, too.

Well, there's different. It's the same thing. OK, so there's there is definitely given like the current circumstances, there's a certain way that a third party needs to be used. Right. So, like, I think that the way what the Libertarian Party should be doing essentially, like my vision for it now that we have it, is that if there are really good Republicans who are really good on, you know, say, like opposing war and opposing the militarization of the police and all of these things that we care about, then okay. Then yes, we should basically, if we're running and making the difference in that race where we could give it to a Democrat, essentially what we should do is make demands to that Republican. Say, we want you to get even a little bit better on these issues. We want promises. If you're the incumbent, we want actual things. And then kind of support them. And if you're like a neocon, rhino, awful Republican, then we will cost you your job.

I love it. So don't ever run these people again because we will give you the other job. But I will also say that with someone like Donald Trump, I don't know that there's even that strong of an argument, although I enjoy him owning the libs and triggering everybody. You're talking about like when you got him in there we had 2020. we had fauci on the job for all of 2020 while donald trump was in there so that to me i'd be like i wouldn't even i wouldn't even consider like the idea that oh well we better vote for donald trump instead of joe biden and i'm saying this from from your own perspective.

These are the same arguments, though. Every fucking four years, this is going to be the same argument. I agree. I agree. At what point you say, I'm not eating sugar. The shit is delicious, right? You stop. Those cookies, man.

Where are they at? But you stop. It's rough for a bit, but you stop. As opposed to going well I'm going down the street and been going down the street

for however long even if it's locally even if I mean at what point do we say this isn't good enough we gotta do better I agree with that

except the analogy would be more like you've got the choice between sugar and beer and I'm like I'm not touching

the alcohol like I would eat sugar I would eat sugar. I would eat sugar before I drink alcohol. Alcohol really messes me up. I just, it messes everybody up. People, look,

I got this whoop thing and people are like, you're wearing that government tracker. What are you doing? Blame Luke. Luke told me to get it. He's supposedly the anti-government. But anyway,

I drank one beer. I wake up and it's like, my whoop tells me I'm dying. It's like your respiratory system was in decline. Your temperature wasiking you're you're fatigued because beer is poison but if the if the choice is between the lesser of two evils have the sugar which okay you know I choose not to do sugar so I think it's bad but if I have to have one of them and then you know if you see the point is like yeah I get I get your point I. Look, look, I don't agree with you on the, you know, Trump and Biden. What's the difference?

Essentially. Right. Well, there certainly are differences. So just just to be clear, I'm not even saying even if you're going to argue that you're like, look, it's better. Like, I'm not saying everything's perfect, but one's way worse than the other. OK, even if I grant that, I'm saying that, look, putting Trump in there led to what? It led to Biden. Like, at a certain point, we have to say, look, this is what, look, basically the Republicans and the

Democrats have both committed, in effect, treason against the American people. And like, this is the United States of America, damn it. At a certain point, we got to stand up and say, like, no, I'm not saying I would never vote for the lesser of two evils. I would vote for the lesser of two evils in some situation. This is too damn evil on both sides. There has to be some line in the sand where I go, no, I'm sorry. The guy who kept Fauci as the head of the COVID response and put him on TV every day through 2020, when the biggest moment, the biggest crisis of Donald Trump's life came. He failed.

He got an F on that score. You criticized Joe Biden. That means you're a Trump supporter. Yeah, that is true. I suppose that's true. No, and obviously Joe Biden's awful and all of the people he's put around him are just horrible and they've done like basically everything wrong. And it's a disaster.

But I'm just saying how long we don't have another we don't really have an option right now to say let's put this off for another four years with a slightly less version this country will be over look look i think i think what it really comes down to is like i agree with you on all the all of like the the ideal positions and then you're you're a revolutionary and i'm a reformer so i look at donald trump like, I like the school choice move. I think it's very important. Banning critical race theory trainings at the government level, that's critical.

And it's because a lot of that stuff is outright illegal. Seeing corporations, ESG scores, having Trump is, those are good things pushing back against that. Listen, I agree. I'm okay with that. I think you're right that I i think you're you're right that i'm a revolutionary and you're a reformer i'd settle for being a reformer he's not even that

that's the problem i'd settle for it's not as if people treat me i know they say uh like i had a debate with uh sticks uh do you know him have you had him on yeah he's great i i like him a lot but we had a debate and i thought some of his uh we debated over trump and his people were saying to me they're like dave you're just making the perfect the enemy of the good and my point is like no i'm making the bad the enemy of the good listen what i care about is liberty because liberty is what leads to a prosperous and stable society it's not like donald trump they they're acting like like donald trump let's say cut the government by 50 and i'm going that's not good enough i want a hundred percent right you know

what i mean but that's not it he grew the government right it's not he didn't it's not it's not like he did something in the right direction and i'm saying it wasn't enough i'm saying he he when he took control of the took control when he was elected president, I don't really have control of the executive branch, but he was the president and the Republicans had the House and the Senate and spending from Barack Obama went up. Right. I'm sorry. He's not even moving us in the right direction.

If the car is headed off the cliff, he's going faster than we were under Barack Obama. Hold on. You said that voting for Trump got us Biden, and that's not a good thing. But I'm kind of like, my argument to a lot of the Antifa people is that Donald Trump was their vote, not Joe Biden. It was really weird to see Antifa people be like, well, I don't like Joe Biden, but Trump is a fascist. And I'm like, if you think Trump is going to destroy this country, you think he's burning it down and breaking it to a million pieces, then you'd want to vote for him. Because if the end result is just Joe Biden and the system is collapsing, well, then perhaps that's what restores the republic.

Or leads to something far worse than that. The night is always darkest before the dawn, but I think people are good conscious. Both positions have to be taken at the same time. Too late in the game to just pick one or the other at this point. There has to be people that are willing to say, hey, I'm a reformer. These are the areas where I'm going to reform. You're a revolutionary. These are the areas.

Tell me more about this revolutionary shit. The people in the middle that don't even know that both of these other options exist are the people that we both have to collectively and individually gauge and get. That's the part that's the – because there's people on the sidelines going that are going to listen to this and they're going to, first they're going to be like, well, Maj wasn't even saying shit. I don't fucking have to. You guys are going to say stuff. And I'm going to go, this is what they mean by this breakdown. There are people in the middle that are like, eh, I reform on some of these areas. I'm revolutionary in these. Maybe locally, maybe in a small town, maybe in New Hampshire, maybe we go, okay, we're going to just revamp this. Maybe what DeSantis

is doing in Florida, he's definitely going to win, but he's like, okay, now I'm going local. Now I'm going to talk to all of these other people too. That's a model that we can emulate. Okay. To your point, okay, no, Trump is absolutely not as horrible as Biden, but to your point, you're saying, yeah, but dude's still fucking spending us into fucking oblivion. Right. At the same time. Okay. You're the realist. These are how some of these things go currently. You're like, well, they shouldn't fucking go this way currently. And they never should have. And here, how's their have. And here's how they're wrong. You have to be able to explain that to the general public that are in the middle.

We're not arguing against, and you guys aren't, obviously. We're not arguing against each other. We're talking really to the people that are watching that we don't even know are watching to inform them about, here's how this person was horrible. Here's how this person was great. Here's how locally you can avoid that. And here's how you can completely abolish that. Let me ask you. But just to your point that we're not arguing here, I mean look, we're basically on the same page

with all this stuff, right? And so it almost becomes a question of strategy. Like what do we do at this point? Because we're really in a crumbling society and this is a very dangerous situation. Trying to seize the federal government is not the way. No, I very dangerous situation i just think it's not the way no i agree with you but i do think that the way forward i agree seizing the federal government is not the way forward i mean that by winning an election becoming president not the way no the way

forward is to try to have as much of an awakening of of as big a group of people as you can to recognize what the core of the problem is here like everyone kind of senses that there's a major problem in this society and what we need to do is kind. Like everyone kind of senses that there's a major problem in this society. And what we need to do is kind of wake people up to realize that. And I would argue very passionately that really the problem is that we've completely drifted away

from everything this country was supposed to be, which is the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and the idea of individual liberty. Sure, sure. So I'm curious your thoughts on rank choice voting. Can I finish your bottle here? Oh, yeah, of course.

Grab another bottle. What do you guys think on rank choice voting i think it would be an improvement over the the current situation sure i mean i don't know that that necessarily solves everything but um i think that the um like i mean look like you said before we kind of have this uniparty what a lot of libertarians like to call the duopoly you know of like two parties who are basically a monopoly um the this the system's completely rigged against third parties i look what they're doing to larry sharp in new york where they just raise the requirement right again i believe he was in court today yep i don't know uh what ended up happening with that but um we've had a lot several times cool yeah yeah we love larry sharp um but uh so yeah i i think that would be an improvement but i think uh from my perspective, almost like on more of a meta level, it's like people have to kind of wake up to accepting that this is only going to work when enough people go, we're not falling into this game anymore.

Where you go, okay, if from your perspective you believe that this evil party is five percent less evil than this evil party then we'll fall in line with them because this is what they do this is how the games have been played right it's like bush is such a disaster that you know what those those swing voters will swing over to obama and then obama's such a disaster that those swing voters will swing over to trump and then trump is just such a headache and everyone's just so over him and the response to him and all of this that like I guess dead people will just vote for Joe Biden he really won the dead vote Joe but you know what I'm saying like this game and there's got to be a way to kind of break out of this

right but I think but yes yeah we have the technology for the 50 governors to get on a Skype chat to get on slack to get on some video chat every day. It's the legislators. Let's get them on a Slack. The problem is that we have the technology, but people have been looking at it as if we don't. Like they're stuck in this past state of mind where we've got to send letters and wait two weeks to hear back. And like, dude, the solutions are in front of us literally right now. All four of us.

Hear me out, guys. Hear me, guys. So here's what I was thinking. Like, you know know the problem is you're right you go you go back and forth we're swinging it's getting crazy one guy gets in there's a bunch of bad stuff so everyone's like i'll go over this guy then he's a bunch of bad stuff and i'm like what if there was a simpler way to do it you know what if we just had like one person who just you know we put in charge to run the system and then we didn't have to worry about voting or anything like that like you know when they got too old their kid would just take over for them and then you know their kids and then have you been reading hopper this is a uh i got a question

about tim the monarch about war because you were talking about like cutting back on the the military basically in general which i i'm very i'm pretty much anti-war but i'm also these days i've been thinking to myself maybe i'm a realist that we've been running the war machine. The United States was tasked with the liberal economic order, the British Empire, the Americans, the Australians, whatever. If we just stopped, would not Boeing just start selling planes and weapons to the Chinese CCP and then they would take over and become a military dominating force, putting troops in Mexico? That's the same thing as the pendulum swinging. But that's not, not the idea this idea is like so ridiculous dude it's like so okay so then i guess we just gotta prop up boeing because

someone else could prop up boeing if we don't prop up but i'm looking at china listen man i know this is like china taking over the world is just not happening look we are so much richer than china is if you the amount of poverty that they have in their country compared to us. What about the alpha debt? And we can't afford to do this. We're $30 trillion in debt. We're going bankrupt doing this. China is doing the exact opposite of what we're doing.

They're going around and investing in other parts of the world while we spend ourselves into debt. China, by the way, is in a bubble economy that is 10,000 times bigger than the bubble that we have right here. This thing is going to pop. The idea, China couldn't even get through dominating their own region, let alone dominating the entire world. Like, don't get me wrong. China is a really messed up government. They're a communist government that basically figured out that they should allow prices

and businesses. So they're not quite communist in the way that like Mao Zedong was communist, they're still kind of communist and it's kind of fascist I guess and they're evil and they do a lot of bad things but this idea that like oh if we didn't prop up the military industrial complex that then China would prop up our military industrial complex look man here's what matters we got two oceans on either side of us we got the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, or at least one of the biggest nuclear arsenals in the world. We have 400 million guns or something in that neighborhood. No one's a threat to us, period. The idea that China's going to come halfway around the world.

No, no. It comes from the orbit. But we see it before it gets here. I don't know if that's true. Listen, man, if China wants, so in that case, they could do it right now. Of course. And that has nothing to do with anything. So the history of Earth is basically there is a military dominator.

Almost at all times, there's somebody that's the most powerful military force, and they are controlling things. There were empires way before America became an empire. But from the beginning of America, we were still a free country. That's not our job to worry about, man. And like, I'm sorry. I know like that that rubs people the wrong way because they have this idea that we have to be the good guys of the world, even though we're objectively the bad guys in the world. But the truth is that, like I said before, we can't even protect freedom in our country.

We're not spreading it around the world. The best thing America ever did for the world was exporting the best parts of our culture, that people wanted to listen to our music and wear our blue jeans and be cool like us. That's the best influence we could have on the world is being a free country here. Do you think on the dawn of colonization of Mars that it's okay not to be strive to be the military dominating force on earth as a country or should we give that power to a corporation or to another country um i would say that uh i'm to keep us a free country i am okay with sacrificing colonizing mars when you say when you say free country do you mean that

you're not you're not like like anyone can do any like what is your like because in in a totally open system it can be co-opted very easily by outside no i mean when i say freedom i mean liberty i mean negative rights i mean the right to life liberty property you know so like no spying on people that kind of stuff you'd get rid of that but then what happens then when the ccp is spying and infiltrating our media and making us think things like communism good i've always thought communism was good i mean you know who's really done more to fuck to infiltrate our country that i mean how do they even infiltrate it they they infiltrate what what do they pay

commercial what do they pay off our president's son bot farms on social media that's always what they that's what they tell you right universities the government program that is universities that's completely backed up by loans coming from the government oh yeah social media companies that the government is no comments yeah what they'll do this is all nonsense dude the idea that social media comments have had this huge influence you know the truth is that all that's happened is that's been used as an excuse for the government to crack down on social media companies and it says that they mean huh we we see it all the time companies caving to 30 people over nonsense they they get so we were doing it we were doing an event yeah but those are real people you're talking about they're like social justice warriors like there's no way to

tell there's no way to tell and and and some of it very well could be china they call it the 50 cent army you know what this is yeah i've heard of it they go out there they post pro ccp stuff but they're uh we've also heard from other people who are familiar with china's actions that they're encouraging wokeness in the united states tiktok for instance allows it here but doesn't allow it there so i personally experienced this where you get one person pretending to be 50 to try and force a business and it works. Okay. So I'm not arguing that that has never had an effect on say like a business. I'm talking about more like I'm like subverting the entire country. But if you look at the main ways what

people try to infiltrate is they try to infiltrate the institutions of the government, or I suppose you could say universities, which is again, basically a giant government program. It's all completely propped up by government backed loans or the whole industry wouldn't exist. I think that, yeah, look, you'd need to have a culture to guard against that type of stuff. And that I. Right. And that's what you need is a culture. If you want to guard against communism, you really like to have a culture that believes in liberty. And also strong families and strong values. And all the government does is undermine all of this this is like i mean from the welfare state undermining families to you know the

the kind of like undermining churches and communities and all of this this is what big government has gotten us so in essence i guess your question would be in essence how do we prop up against things like that china chinese uh bots and all those different things to infiltrate that to the point it's our government doing it more than anybody else and if if we're going along with it and we're weakening it because the government is telling us to right again 2020 instead of us genuinely saying fuck no i'm not wearing a mask i'm not wearing a fucking vaccine my bit my business didn't close the entire time. We didn't stop at Black Guns Matter. We kept going. That is a culture of we are free.

Now, if something is really there, we're going to be safe and responsible. We're going to mitigate our freedoms or our safety based on that freedom. Right. That culture compared to, hey, CCP, where we build stuff and people jump out of the fucking building there's nets to catch them from killing themselves when you compare that to a young person you showed them that difference as opposed to them being told yeah socialism is great and there's nothing to really counter that no real information then of course it's going to be more difficult but that's not that's not that's not overwhelmingly coming from china yeah Yeah. Would you use American propaganda to push that message on people? What do you mean by propaganda?

Well, little kids are the most susceptible. They made cigarette commercials illegal in the 50s and 60s. Well, they made little kids fucking do the Pledge of Allegiance. Yeah, as a form of international propaganda to get people on board with American ideals. I think that word propaganda is kind of loaded right because me saying i believe that everyone should have a firearm to be able to defend themselves and telling them about their human right to self-defense is me articulating that well is a form of propaganda right and it's in alignment with my agenda which is freedom and liberty

right so when you say propaganda what do you mean by do you mean like bernays like just fucking lied to you? Propaganda. Yeah. Like how deep would you take? I mean, cause I think what right now they're using Google to subvert what they think is American,

whatever ideals to combat the CCP that's putting in like, Hey kids, be a communist. But then, but then we go, but hold on, let me just ask. Cause you're saying when they're using Google,

who do you mean is using Google to combat the CCP? We know the FBI is in tight with social media networks, telling them what to post what not to post if and when yeah right yeah it's very murky as to who well and they certainly at least according to mark zuckerberg when he was asked why they suppressed the hunter biden story the first thing he said was well the fbi came to us and told us there was going to be this big russian dump and then when there was this dump they said this was all the dump they all said this was the russian propaganda so again i'm just saying like time they told their the staff not to investigate

it so right they knew what they were doing so you know if your concern is that like china is going to propagandize us i just like i go okay but like this is to justify the regime in washington dc but then like look at who's actually propagandizing our kids i mean like look at who's actually propagandizing them right now it's the public school corporations as well let's i got i got an idea some extent so so i think we've we've we've talked a lot about the things we don't like a lot of the problems give me your guys's vision of what america should be well look i mean what america should be is uh it should be the bill of rights and the Declaration of Independence. I mean, that as a starting point. Like, that's what we should have in this country.

We should, like, it didn't have to be this way, okay? There was nothing that was, like, written in the stars that everything had to go this way. And I'm not saying it has to be my utopia, that I want it to be this perfect, you know, libertarian anarchist system. Sure, that would be best. But I'm just saying we didn't have to respond to 9-11 by starting seven stupid wars and killing all of these people and passing the Patriot Act and all of this. We could have just, let's say, we just say, even went into Afghanistan and killed Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora when we had him cornered and came home. The war on terrorism was over by Christmas of 2001.

We could have just not had artificially low interest rates in the early 2000s and blew up this housing bubble and had the financial crisis in 2008. We could have just not responded to COVID in an insane way. We could have just had a government who came out and went, you know, there's this upper respiratory virus. We think if you're at risk, you should probably stay home. That's our advice to you. Everyone else, you know, be careful.

Maybe wash your hands. If you feel sick, stay home. We could have not tanked the entire economy and printed $6 trillion in a year and destroyed everything. So all I'm saying is like less of the evil stuff. We could do a lot less of this. It doesn't have to be. It's not a choice between what we have

now and perfection. It's that we should always have liberty as like the guiding principle and being very skeptical of what the government does. That's what we need. And all that comes down to is just scaling back. I don't need more legislation to do that. Again, if we start from that

Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and letting that be, okay, this is the litmus test. Is this, hey, if we start from that bill of rights declaration of independence and letting that be okay this is the litmus test is this hey if we're giving more and more government more and more dollars more and more power more and more control 80 000 more irs agents how does this get us back to more liberty if that's the if it's a very basic question it's a very basic answer nah i'm not doing it tell me tell me where it says in this that we should be giving this over there if that's not the answer then no we're not doing it it's and i i completely agree and i would just add to that that like the mission here to me really is that look i mean

think about like how the massive propaganda campaign to push the covid lockdowns right the massive propaganda campaign to push the vaccines whereas it's like you have to hear about this constantly, completely oversold of like, you know, if you get this, you can't possibly get COVID and you can't spread it. And if you question this, you're an anti-vaxxer and all of this. They use these massive propaganda campaigns

because they know how important it is to have the population believing that they have legitimate authority over them and believing that they're doing the right thing. So I think the mission here is to counter the propaganda and to wake people up. Like you said, the mission isn't to take over the federal government and then wield power over all of the people and do it in the right way. The mission here is to wake people up, to realize that what we ought to be striving for is to be very skeptical of all of these authoritarians who promise us that they're doing it for our own good. If we had a society like that, we'd be in much better shape.

Did he convince you? Oh, yeah. I mean, I've been convinced since the day I met you, bro. But I've got a lot of concern about the future of the constitution because i think going back to what we had 200 years ago might be a mistake that we should make a new global constitution with american values um like a global constitution yeah the manila principles is interesting for the internet it's like freedom of code as opposed to freedom of speech or in addition to because if you don't know what your software is doing behind the scenes when you're using it you're being betrayed by your master.

You shouldn't have a master. You should be the master of your code. The code stuff is a really good point. That's interesting. With Facebook, we don't know how we're being manipulated, and we know Facebook experimented on people by showing them depressing content. Yeah, yeah. I've read about that a little bit.

That is interesting. So I think Ian's 100% right that we need to figure out. But this could be an amendment to our constitution we could we could write an amendment saying people have a right to know if algorithmic you know code is what what the code of the systems do or are doing like why would they have to be global though i imagine that we're globalizing inevitably regardless we're creating the new world order right now the world economic forum really wants to be a part of it and if we fight internally and ignore it they're going to do it without us and we'll be there but if we are involved in the process we'll craft it in our image

that's part of the plan i think yeah but see now you're you're it smells like you want to like take over the global government and use it for good watch out for that i don't think they're going to let you at the table the fucking fucking ring, bro. The ring changes you. Exactly. I don't want a top-down. I want a decentralized organization of states across the world, dude. And Mars. New vlog idea.

Ian eventually does become union president, and it corrupts him. I'd give it away like Washington. But then it ends with you falling into the lava. You're fighting over a land. No, no. No, Lord of the Rings. It's your fault. you falling into the lava and you know you're fighting over no no no i think i think that in essence and i'm saying this as a black dude that my ancestors during the time when these things were written like that objective stance of going okay declaration of independence thomas jeff Jefferson's pen was fucking amazing. But he owned humans at the same time that he wrote it.

So as me going like, yo, there's contradictions here. But what was written was dope. I think that America, the founders wrote something that was really, really dope. And I think that if we're going to be exporting shit, you know, you know, all over the place like, hey, this is what we believe in outside of us just being cool let's export this concept of liberty and holding your so-called uh public servants and even in your country if you want to emulate this a few years ago in china there was certain parts dudes was waving fucking american flags like yo we want the second amendment here type shit i think that should be some of our chief export type shit and and And that doesn't mean it has to be globalized. It just means like, yo, this is what we're doing over here.

We got guns over on this side because we want to keep our government a little bit more honest. You know what I'm saying? And exporting that. And I don't know if every country is going to emulate that, but I think that will be one of our dope exports. Well, look, and even if you look at Martin Lutherin luther king or and even malcolm x i mean how did they make such strides is that they beat america over the head with their own constitution they said well look you said it right here in your own document that you're not allowed to do this to me you know so like it was a powerful example even if like the founders were hypocrites particularly

on that issue on the issue of slavery and race relations in general. But just think about it like this. I mean, imagine if we were just a free country and we were much more prosperous and happy and stable than we are now because we have this giant monstrosity of a state. Imagine the power we could have simply just lecturing and even ridiculing the rest of the world and saying to them, imagine the power we could have on the Chinese people by going, look at you guys, you're impoverished and we're rich because we believe in Liberty. Your communist party is not providing anything to you.

That would be way more effective than if we were the murderers of the world saying, we see you as a threat. Yeah. We're going to go to super chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends,

become a member at TimCast.com, and today we're shouting out Tom McDonald. He actually texted me. He said, tell the world what up. He's agreeing he will also wear a suit if he hits the Hot 100. I believe, Lydia, I believe we said dress. No? Was it suit? I can't remember the beginning.

Maybe I'm misremembering. Yes, so shout out, guys. Check out his new song, Riot. It's currently number two trending on YouTube. It was four when we started, number two now. I want you to play this after the show. I want you to play the song for me. It's not a super political song, you know?

No, I just want to hear the song. Like, I like music. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right on. We have this tweet from Dylan Bellew. What is this? It said,. I like music. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right on. We have this tweet from Dylan Bellew. What is this? It said, Smith Ture 2024. Oh, yeah.

What do they mean? What would we be doing in 2024? Maybe you guys are going to start a small business together? Yeah. Do you want to do something in 2024 together? We might be doing this. I mean, do we do LLC or do we do S-Corp? You know, I got to talk to my tax guy because it depends on how the revenue comes in, I think.

I think for small business, you guys go LLC and maybe you can do like, you know, you build model ships. Well, I'll tell you this. How about this? For people who want to see. Gun store. If let's say you wanted to see, hypothetically, if you wanted to see me and Maj maybe run like, let's say, a campaign of some sort in 2024. This is what I need. I need to see everybody join

the Libertarian Party. LP.org slash join. Sign up right now. If you guys get in there, if we raise, this is what I say, 20,000 members. If I get 20,000 members into the LP, new members, then I

will start a business with Mosh in 2024. You heard it here first. It'll be a Liberty-oriented business. So I want to give a shout-out to Eric Miller. He said, Tim, if Tom hits number one, you have to wear a suit on stream. And that's where the idea basically came from. So shout-out, Eric.

That was your idea. I really do appreciate it. Genius. And I thought it was a really good idea. And I'm like, we'll actually film going to get tailored. And me and Ian will go. I think that's going to be hilarious. Watching the tailored process. By the way, i'd also say for people who even like

and i understand the argument that you're making and even people who are like listen if it comes down to trump biden i gotta support trump if you just think that what we're saying here should be like in the conversation right you know what i mean that you think like okay even if that's the case you need someone kind of pushing the republicans to be a little bit better on some of these issues come join the libertarian party and support what we're doing and at what point are you just not going to just be saying well it'll never be another third like the republican party was a third party like at a certain point that is true like at what point are you just going to be like oh it'll never as you said we live in revolutionary times.

The MAGA party is. It's actually the fourth party. It essentially is a third party, right? Donald Trump was a third party candidate within one of the two parties. And then he did it. And Bernie, too, was a third party and just didn't do it. All right. Christina says, my favorite podcaster.

Shouting out my favorite rapper is so cool. Can't wait to see when Tom finally comes on the show. Love y'all and happy Friday. So this all happened because we put out a song. I was shouting it out saying we want to invade the cultural spaces. And then I was just like, I don't know Tom very well. I, you know, maybe I've talked to him one time before this, but I was just like, he's a guy who puts out music. You guys have probably heard his stuff, I'd imagine, right?

Have you? I'm not sure. I might have. It's rap. A lot of it's like, it's like i don't know describe it but the scrap rap but the but the lyrics are just so good it addresses political and cultural his voice is like a knife it's cool but the lyrics are really good yeah and so i was just like if you don't want to buy my song because you don't like it buy his music get him to number one we just

need to invade these cultural spaces yeah right and so then when i heard he was putting out a song i was like i'm, I want to see Tom hit the billboard chart, so I'm going to shout it out. No, I think that's awesome. By the way, shout out to Eric July. I think he's doing that

in the comic world in the Ripperverse thing. And his music and stuff too. I think all that stuff is really so important. And talented, actually really talented guys who are doing it.

Like actually good, not just like, I'm in alignment with your politics. Get it. Yeah, it's real talent. It's basically just if you want to win a culture where you got to make culture yeah so everybody's doing that to the point the liberty movement isn't just because i know we spoke a lot about like parties but when you start changing the mind of people no one that's listening to this conversation tonight is going to be like nah i totally disagree with the vast majority of

what they're talking about they're going to be like nah you you all have conversations like there's so many fucking rhinos rhinos are everywhere rhinos rhinos rhinos okay cool either you're going to push them to go in this direction or you're going to go let me try this libertarian thing even if it's not the party i do think that you should join but at the same time the overall philosophy and the ideology is going to lean us in the direction of the bill of rights and like this overall liberty yeah even if you're a republican or god forbid a democrat i still push them to be a little bit better right like that's what we all gotta do right all right carrie green says love that shirt make criminals afraid again

i need one shut up and take my money. Can people buy that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can go to blackgunsmattershop.com. It's on the website. Right on. Go grab it. Which Black Guns Matter, if you're not familiar, go check them out. They do incredible stuff.

It's such a great name. Modge's organization is amazing. It's so great. Yeah. Well, you know why it's great? Because it attacks the left from the left. Right. It makes them feel insecure about their

own thing it's like and then they go like well wait but that's we're the ones who are supposed to care about that but we have a monopoly on being the ones who care about black people yeah it's brilliant funniest thing ever it's like having telling somebody like yo you know as the black dude you have the means and the right to defend your life from bad people and it's like well even if you think that's all police, okay, if you believe that, all right. There was, I'm sorry, I don't want to. No, no, even if you think it's all police, you think it's all police and then you're like, yeah, they're killing us. It's like, well, you can defend your life.

It's like, well, no, guns are bad. Nah, no, they're not, bro. You have the human right and the bill of rights to defend your life there was a there's a story about some dude who got shot by the cops or whatever and then i can't remember who it was but he was like white or something and then i posted something about how it was ridiculous what this cop did i can't remember and then some lefty responded with tim is such a racist he only cares when white people get shot yet he wouldn't want gun rights for black people and then i'm just like, what in the –

People are insane, dude. I responded. I was like, bro, I want every single Black Panther armed to the teeth with multiple weapons marching down the street right now. And then he just responded, based. I'm like, here we go. It's so – people are so binary. Like they think if you have one take, then you have to have like the other – But I was dragging a cop.

What? if you have one take then you have to have like the other but i was dragging a cop well what so i remember because i was really harsh on um all through 2020 on black lives matter and the riots and all of that and being like this is insane first off just because it's awful that you're like destroying businesses and you know killing people and assaulting people and all of this and also because you're destroying the credibility for the movement of like holding cops accountable right because now and then when um uh what's his name chauvin got convicted i tweeted something and i was like yeah good he absolutely deserved to get convicted and they're like oh dave you're totally backing down on all of your views you're like wait a minute so you think just because i was against rioting and destruction of property

that i think the guy who kneeled on the dude's neck in cuffs on the ground shouldn't go to jail. Like, no, dude, that guy would lock up some guy for a gun possession charge and throw him in a cage for 20 years and never lose sleep. You can go rot in prison. Like, I could care less. My favorite was when you tweeted something about the left is not going to handle losing very well. And then someone responded with, here's how your side handles losing. Do you know who it was? Who was it? It wasler she said no bet middler it's like i got bet middler talking trash to me on twitter it's such a weird world we live in my accountant texted me and he goes is betette Midler talking shit about you on Twitter?

And I went, yes, yes, he is. Now, do we have those tax returns in? You should do. You should have responded with, OMG, Bette Midler. I'm such a big fan. Hocus Pocus. Classic childhood memories. I swear to God, my actual response is not far off from that.

I went, I just made my wife and uh my daughter and son listen to wind beneath our wings we all dance which i actually did we played it in the house and we all danced all right solid tune yeah it is looks like we got some big fans andrew uh bra soul says it's not just that dave doesn't lie to your face like the talking heads in the media what makes dave so great is that he doesn't lie to himself i respect it oh well thank you. That's nice to say. I do occasionally, you know.

You're so loud. When I'm telling myself, when I'm trying to pump myself up. It's just manifestation. BB says, I posted a meme today making fun of DC for declaring a state of emergency

over the migrant buses. It was the James Franco first time meme. FB claimed it was promoting self-harm, removed it, and restricted me from my accounts. See? See? That is pretty hilarious. That was promoting self-harm, removed it, and received a mail. See? See? That is pretty hilarious.

See? That was a pretty great, like, real-life troll sending the immigrants into D.C., I gotta say. I enjoy it. Harold Wiley says, just purchased Tom McDonald's song. If Brett has to bleach his hair, Tim can wear a suit. So, Pop Culture Crisis, which is one of the shows we have here at simcast uh hosted by brett and mary they had a bit that i don't know how it came up but that if they hit 15 crisis parties brett would bleach his hair and a crisis party is every hundred dollars in super chats these lights go off and then so every time there's a super chat money guns shoot money at everybody and then once a hundred

dollars is reached there's a party where those like lights go off and it plays a noise and then the money guns go crazy and so they said if they get 15 of those in one show, they got 26. That means that's $2,600 in Super Chat. So now my brother went out to pick up pizzas and then he came back and here's the sauce and in the bag is bleach.

Is it air dye? So I agreed. If Tom McDonald, hey look, Hot 100 number one is not an easy feat. No. No, not at all. No. I think you would need to sell like 100 or more thousand singles.

He's independent? Yep. So, not only that, but the problem is it's kind of rigged because they're probably going to pull some BS where they're like, well, you know, that one doesn't count. They want to see you in a suit, though. You're good. No, he means like billboard. He means like billboard. Bill like billboard like yeah absolutely yeah so so one of the things that happened to

tom is um he sold more albums than anybody else and they told him his numbers didn't count and didn't put him on the list or something because of what what was their how did they play that it's the so you have to watch he did two videos talking about how it went down and so i don't know the exact nuance of it but they were saying things like what's your upc code we don't believe these numbers so we're not going to accept them but it's like it's complicated basically people traditionally would report like hey here the total sales we had yeah sound scan yeah yeah and then apparently they didn't buy it and so there's weird issues because like based on how many views he gets he's number two trending on youtube right now this song should be billboard hot 100 right but for some reason like let's see so it's the song came out today uh not next week but the following tuesdays when they'll release the chart for this reporting

period yeah and we'll you know everybody's got to buy his song but i'm gonna be shouting out tom all week because i just want to i want to force these people that want you're gonna love this so we have a communications company they do pr stuff for us and we have a song we put it out one of the responses to it was like hey tim pool has released a song like it's available here it's the first release in the new new program tim kess records the response was the covid 19 vaccine is safe and effective and is an effective treatment for reducing the severity of covid and that's all they said and that was it and it was just like are they saying they're not gonna i don't know i don't know what they're trying why are they emailing us right but that's how crazy it is yeah it's a it's a weird

cult like and then you know uh tom was like is your song about the vaccine and i was like bro it's a it's a love and pain song. It's just like generic rock music. And that's the point. Now, that's the overcorrection that the general public in the middle sees and goes, nah, that's bullshit. Even if they disagree with you, the vast majority of people will go, nah, but that's kind of fucked up. Well, do you look at the numbers of, I forget the exact numbers, but it's of the adult percentage of Americans who were double vaccinated with the first round. I think it was 70 something percent. And then who got their boosters was half that.

So you see there's a whole lot of people, even of the people who went along with it at the beginning, who are starting to kind of see. They're like, nah, I'm not going to keep doing this. You see it at the airport. At the airport when it was everybody had to and I kept getting kicked out of airports and airplanes. That's why we bought the RV because that was like- They wouldn't let you fly without the mask. We went to the airport and they're like, yeah, you can't get on our airline.

But this is the crazy thing. But now you see those people, now that there's no mandate. It's like 80%, 90% not wearing the mask. Nobody's wearing it. But look, this is the crazy thing. But now you see those people, now that there's no mandate. It's like 80%, 90%. Nobody's wearing it. But look, this is the crazy thing. They email me that. And then, you know, I was talking to Tom earlier, not that long ago, actually, a few hours ago. And I was like, not only is the song not about any of this, but my position the entire time on vaccines was it's good that Trump got it out.

It's good that Biden sped up the timeline for it and it's up to you to talk to your doctor to figure out what makes sense for you and your health health conditions that that's been my position the entire time oh yeah they don't care it doesn't matter so two out of three but telling people to talk to their doctor about what's right for them is considered anti-vax you did two things you fucked up two out of three one you said talk to your doctor like get an actual medical professional's perspective you didn't just run with fuck you if you don't take this that was strike doesn't matter and your second strike was you said and i disagree with it when you said trump got it out fast you were giving trump some

credit for some shit that i don't even i I'm like, yo, he could have just been like, yo, whatever. Point being is two out of three, fuck you. And you're emailing us about your song. COVID vaccines are fucking safe and effective. And don't you dare question the fucking narrative. Do you think you're fucking Tim Pool or some shit? You have to be 100% standing behind them or on your knees for them. Any kind of like, I see what you're saying. You know, no, no, no, no.

You don't see what I'm saying. Tell me I'm right or else. By the way, that was so much of what their problem with Trump was. Is that even when he continued the wars and continued the empire, he didn't tell everyone that he believed in it. Like he'd always kind of be like, but I don't really believe in it. Like I don't really think we should be doing this. Let's read some more. We got Karnal says, shout out to the TimCast crew, Dave Smith and Big Daddy Toure.

Maj, happy to hear that you got your RV back. Big ups to you, the work you do and your solutionaries. Good people are looking out for you. Let's hit that GoFundMe goal. Did y'all hear about that? No. So my RV got stole yesterday. Oh no.

Wait, really? Yeah. Holy crap. They picked the wrong person to steal an RV from. Which class? Class A. Nice. Yeah, Thor Challenger.

Beautiful. Flash, because this is when I kept getting kicked off of planes. We got the RV. We're going to do the classes all over the country. We're not shutting down. We're going everywhere, da, da, da, da. Still doing it. So it's gearing up for the wintertime.

So we like, all right, since we're getting back on planes because people aren't afraid anymore, we're going to use the RV when we're not doing classes regionally. If you're homeless, if you need a place, if you're arguing, you and your girl going through it, you need a hot meal. It's cold in Philly. We're gearing up for that. Go check on the RVv uh it's gone like gone and i'm like what the fuck and i'm thinking okay the city told it and so i start chasing this process of you know the city's like yo we don't have it but they could have it and not have put your tags into whatever so i'm like yo i think somebody

stole it so i go to the precinct and they're like yo if commute if someone said it was abandoned which i don't know why they would it's a two hundred thousand dollar rv um i didn't we didn't pay two hundred thousand dollars for it but we bought it used but um if someone says it's abandoned the police will tow it not like the parking authority for tickets so he says well if it's not like the parking authority for tickets. So he says, well, if it's not in their system, come back tomorrow. We'll find out because if you report it stolen now, if we don't know if it's community people took it, it's going to be harder to get it out.

Do that. I do a live saying, man, these fucking leeches. I hate y'all. Y'all still my, you know, I'll go on live at seven o'clock and I'll talk about it. I'm on the live talking about this RV and a dude's trying to tap into the live. And he's like, dude, I think I'm looking at your RV right now. Really? No bullshit. And I'm like, I'm thinking, all right, he might be a troll that, and a couple of other people was like, yo, man, man, it's in your live right now is saying he's DMing you his number. He thinks he he's found your fucking RV. So I go in the live with him. And sure enough, he's like, yo, it's around the corner from my shop. He's walking up there. They busted the back windows. The slides were out. There was a spare key in there. They drove it to a whole nother part of town. They fucked up the entire side of it, smashed the window,

rifled through the hole inside, but they never closed the side, the slides. And then they just- They were driving with the sides out? They were driving with the sides out and just dumped it. And so this dude, he DM'd me his number

and his address and I drove up there. So literally, one of the solutionaries on the live found my RV solutionaries are better than cops there you go

yo legit and so it's gonna be like I mean we got insurance but it's gonna be like insurance like everybody's like

you got insurance so it's cool I'm like I'm like nah people go like they go oh you have insurance no problem

you have house insurance just let your house on file right now and see if they're gonna come back with the three million that wouldn't inconvenience you at all right right let's uh we got this one we got uh boris kovfifievich says the problem with the libertarian party is the ross perot problem they will be used and sponsored by the left to destroy the right via division been there seen that never again yeah sorry dude but that it's like now we got a whole new group of people who are a lot more savvy than that, and that's what I was telling you about before, where we're going to be like, what we're going to be doing is pulling the right to be better on the issues

they're supposed to be good on and destroying the neocon rhino, whatever you want to call them. Did you see the tweet from the guy who said liz cheney should run as a libertarian to take votes from trump liz cheney if you're listening yeah please please i am i'm not even kidding i'm on my knees begging you enter my party and try try to take this from me liz cheney please get up on stage in front of my people and see what happens to you. See what happens when you have to debate me, Liz Cheney. Somebody tweeted that in response to some tweet about Liz Cheney losing.

And then they were like, she should run as a libertarian. Take those votes from Trump. And I was like, she's the antithesis of the libertarian party. Listen, you have no idea what's up. And by the way, the idea that Ross, look, Ross Perot did cost the Republican the election, I guess you could argue. But who did he cost? George Herbert Walker Bush. That's who you're trying to preserve?

Like that would have been any better and our country would be in any better shape? No, look, you know who the libertarians won't be able to steal the election from? A Republican who's good on liberty. So get better on liberty. And then you'll be insulated against us. Whoa. This is a big one. I need to stop watching YouTube says,

7-Eleven was a part-time job. That's a great, that's a great. I love that. Oh man, that's really good. That's a good one. So Troy Dunham says, Dave, ever since you asked what would my presidential campaign slogan be

on POTP, your comment section posts, quote, we need to roll back the state. What do you think would look great on hats and T-shirts? I'll consider it. We need to roll back the state. Seth Hauser says ranked choice voting will always give Democrats the win. But how does that make sense? I don't get how he says that. Yeah.

So here's what happens. I'd have to hear that explained to me. In Alaska, they have ranked choice. Sarah Palin runs. There's a Republican and a Democrat. Ranked choice happens. 60% of the vote was Republican, but the Democrat won the special election. Oh, okay.

But that just as easily could go the other way now. Yes. I think the issue, though, is the risk is that Republicans are less likely to understand a new system was put in place. Democrats are great at organizing. Yeah. So they're going to make sure all of their voters know to vote. You got to vote.

First choice, second choice, third choice. A lot of Republicans probably just went one and done. And then when their person didn't win, they got nuked and the Democrat ended up winning. OK, so that is an interesting argument. I think there's no question that Democrats, by the nature of being Democrats, are always going to be more, you know, kind of aware of the democratic process. So there is an interesting argument to that. I've never really considered that before. So fair.

I'll have to think about that. Chaser90EK says, this week my family bar closed. It opened in 1926 and we thought we'd celebrate 100 years but sadly mcgee hens in northeast philly couldn't survive the covid policies and spike in crime thanks mayor kenny and da krasner ah man that that breaks my heart to hear yeah it's horrible and i'll tell you i know um like i'm from new york city born and raised and uh there are spots that I know, you know, like a lot of huge percentage of businesses closed and didn't make it through the lockdowns. And I know that these ones, there's like a few that just like there was this this Chinese restaurant that was like a family owned Chinese restaurant for I think they must have been at least 20 or 30 years old.

And they were on the corner of 78th and broadway which is across from stand-up new york comedy club which is where i started doing stand-up comedy and they were like the spot that i used to go to like all the comics used to go to after the comedy shows and then i lived around the corner from them for years and we used to go there all the time and they closed during and there's there's just one that i'm bringing up but it's just yeah it's heartbreaking man that whole family business just destroyed over these insane i think it's important for people to remember this though like because this is okay it may not be covet right the next go around it may be climate change climate change whatever it is right i think it's important for

people to remember that and go no fuck you because we gave you the two weeks to fucking slow to spread and it turned into fucking our business a hundred year damn near business not being here anymore you know what i mean so i think that part's very important infinite will says if the libertarian party runs on abolishing the irs i'll vote for you that would be the best way of scaling back the federal government anyway um i mean we're day yes, abolish the IRS. Executive order, right? What created the IRS? Was it a legislation?

Yeah, well, the income tax was through a constitutional amendment, but I'd have to think about the actual internal revenues service. The question is what authority does the president have and what can they do? Well, but look, I mean, I don't even think that's really the important question because it's not as if like – look, if you're going down the hypothetical in your mind where the libertarian candidate, whoever that may be, wins the presidency, then the only thing that's happened in that scenario is not that the libertarian candidate won the presidency. There's been a major shift in the way tens of millions of Americans are thinking about this. And so your guess is that it's not just that one thing that happened, but

so you'd need this mass movement being opposed to it. But absolutely. I mean, the IRS is just a disgusting, like, you know, all the stuff you talk about with China, like your worst fear of China. Let's say we lived in a free society and your worst fear of China invading and taking over the country would be that they would install the Internal Revenue Service, right? Like that'd be your worst nightmare, that they'd come in and institute this organization which dictates that it's a crime

to be, to work. It's a crime to produce and the punishment will be a fee and you'll have no Fifth Amendment protection. You have to incriminate yourself and we'll throw you in jail if you don't pay your fee. I got a better idea.

I got a better idea. Abolish the IRS tomorrow. The first thing is that you should do is that all of these IRS field agents, they got to talk like this and they got to show up with leather jackets and crowbars and big. And they have to insist

that they're asking for protection money. That is not bad. Maybe help people understand kind of what's going down right now. Well, that's always the state is the mafia masquerading as a human rights organization.

It looks like it was Abe Lincoln in 1862. He spun up the commission of internal revenue. Well, that was the first income tax. But then it went away after the Civil War. That's right. So Lincoln instituted it went away after the Civil War. That's right.

So Lincoln instituted an income tax during the Civil War, and then it went away. And then it was Woodrow Wilson in 1914, I want to say, when it came back. Oh, it was 1894. The Supreme Court declared the income tax of 1894 unconstitutional. Yes. Wow. And then, am I right? 1914, I believe, is when it came back dick

horrible would would you agree woodrow wilson dick woodrow wilson is uh the worst president in the history of the united states wow even worse than joe biden yes yes far worse far worse i mean as of so far i mean joe biden's very bad, but Woodrow Wilson gave us the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and World War I, which, as I said before, led to the rise of the Nazis and the commies. He ruined everything. Really, the Treaty of Versailles really did make the Nazi party. Yes. Oh, no question. Yeah. And also,

the mix of the Treaty of Versailles and the Federal Reserve, which created the boom, and then the bust leading to the Great Depression, which is what called in all the German loans and destroyed the German economy. I mean, it was all Woodrow Wilson ruined the 20th century. All right. We'll grab just one more here.

Maybe maybe one or two more. Generally Irritable says just hosted an event on public safety and saw a Black Guns Matter shirt. Dave, help a fellow libertarian out. Help a fellow libertarian on the campaign trail. Vermont candidate Reddick for Congress dot com. Tell James Lindsay I said hi. James Lindsay.

I don't know James Lindsay, but we will tell. I'll tell him. I've messaged with him a few times on Twitter when he was on there. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button? Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends. Head over to Timcast dot com.

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