Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #664 Disney CEO FIRED For REJECTING Going Woke Says Insider w/John Doyle & Mary Morgan

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Tim, Luke, Mary, & Serge join John Doyle to discuss Disney CEO Bob Chapek being fired for refusing to go along with woke policies, Qatar banning fans who wear LGBT clothing and accessories, the modern American lifestyle destroying men, and the vastly different lifestyles between rural Americans & those who live in cities. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

you know how i know that there's no news well for one it's thanksgiving week basically everybody's taking vacation i was watching a bit of crowder's uh show and even stephen crowder's taking vacation like starting tomorrow and i'm like really like i hate taking days off man you know but like if even crowder's taking off you know at the early this early in the week i'm like maybe maybe we just gotta call it because there's no news there's like limited news there's some stories but but i said you know how i know there's no news because apparently it's me because i'm trending on twitter along with matt walsh and i'm like okay now i know they're scraping at the bottom of the barrel because like like normally you've got, you know, Biden and the Democrats. And then as there's less and less news, they go lower than there's like sports and athletes. They're so far down the abyss of

desperation that they found me. And so I'm trending on Twitter or whatever. But, um, I have to warn you, there's a, there's a lot of crazy stuff to talk about pertaining to Colorado, what happened, why I'm trending. However, this is an extremely serious conversation, which means it's probably going to have to be in the members-only show. So not only that, but with Thanksgiving week, there really are limited new topics to talk about. And I'm not just going to force a show. So what we'll do is, you know, we've got some stories. We'll lead with, apparently, there's an insider saying the Disney CEO was fired because he was rejecting these woke policies. Perhaps after seeing revenue decline or, you know, what's going on in Florida, he said, hey, guys, let's pull the pump the brakes. Not entirely convinced, but maybe ESG score is a bigger motivator.

So we'll talk about that. Ice Cube said he turned down a nine million dollar movie role because they wanted him to get the vaccine and he didn't want to do it, which I think is very, very interesting. And then we have the Balenciaga bag update. They've apologized, taken down the ad, said, hey, we shouldn't have put kids with BDSM teddy bears. And then, oh, man, the craziness surrounding all this other news. We'll probably have in the members only show for you. So become a member at TimCast.com.

Actually, before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member, and we'll talk a lot about this news. And, you know, we had a tough conversation before the show. But considering how serious the news is, and this is one of the most serious stories, I think, well, you know, bits of escalation that we'll talk about. It's going to have to be at TimCast.com. Has to be, I'm sorry. Just, you know, because even people are commenting, saying like, it's impossible to find the show. YouTube suppressing it.

It's not even appearing on the channel page. People saying, oh, they're going to certainly ban them tonight. Yeah, yeah, you know, with me trending and what they're claiming, we'll save these stories for timcast.com. And then we'll just hang out. We'll talk politics. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Joining us today to talk about all of this news is John Doyle. Yes. Yeah. Very excited for the show. Thank you guys for having

me. Also excited for the members only section. I know we have an incentive to encourage people, but it is true. This is probably one of the more important conversations that could be had in today and even probably this year. So we're definitely going to get into some good stuff there. Yeah, definitely. We were talking about what story we should lead with. And there is a very, very big story. But then we all kind of were like, yo, they'll totally ban us. Even if we mention it in neutral context and do news reporting. And they were like, plus we have John here. So like we shouldn't give any excuses. And so this is the unfortunate reality of deep escalation in civil conflict. We'll put it that way. So, John, thanks for hanging out.

This should be fun either way, because we do have a lot of stories to talk about. We do still have a bit. We also have Luke hanging out. So, hey, guys, I know the situation looks dire and the forecast looks bleak but if there's one thing that gives me hope it is biden federman 2024 and that's why today i am wearing my biden federman shirt which you could get on bidenfederman.com it's an actual website and because black friday is going to be this friday we said screw it screw all the corporations we're going to launch our Black Friday sale now. We have a promo code Luke,

which gives you 15% off and more promo code Luke on BidenFetterman.com. See you there. It's a no brainer. Absolutely. Thank you. And I am in Ian's seat again.

My name is Mary. I do Pop Culture Crisis right here at TimCast. Happy to be on tonight. And I am Sergio Priya, aka Sergio.com. Nice to meet you guys again. Oh, look at that. Someone said they got a reminder for the upcoming show.

Oh, wow. That was so interesting. So thank you all so much for sharing the show. That's the thing. If they suppress notifications, if they hide the show, you take the URL. If you share it wherever, it makes it impossible for them to censor because there's a challenge. If they do things that are overt, they could be in breach of contract. So they have to do things that are more subversive and then feign ignorance because it's very

hard to get discovery to prove they're actually trying to suppress you. But perhaps there's a pattern of behavior that we can show that something is happening. It's not so easy. But let's talk about the news. We got this story from Bounding into Comics. Ooh, I like this one. Disney Insider speculates Bob Chapek was fired because he crossed Disney's HR department that pushed radical woke politics. Disney Insider WDW Pro recently speculated on why he believes the Walt Disney Company axed Chapek just months after renewing his contract through 2025. At the end

of June, quote, the Walt Disney Company Board of Directors unanimously voted to extend Chapek's contract as CEO for three years. Chairman of the board, Susan Arnold, explained Disney was dealt a tough hand by the pandemic, yet with Bob at the helm, our businesses from parks to streaming not only weathered the storm, but emerged in a position of strength. They go to mention that he's the right leader at the right time. However, Sunday, he was giving his walking papers. They issued a press release discussing the move to fire Chapik and bring back Iger. Disney insider appeared on Midnight's Edge and speculated as to the cause of Chapik's firing. When we see a change like this, this tends to come from the institutional level. This doesn't come from anything that's very small. So what I think

probably happened is Bob Chapik, he's got some enemies, and those enemies were primarily coming out of LaTondra Newton's department over in HR with the DEI stuff, and that's highly connected with ESG. He continued, and I'm going to bet that as he was looking for places to make cuts in the company, he may have crossed a threshold he wasn't supposed to cross. And in doing so, those big three investors, we're talking about the vanguards, the black rocks, that they may have said to the board, we're ready to begin reassessing our relationship with you.

We're not talking about fans who got mad about Star Wars. We're not talking about individual investors who said, I'm going to pull my $10,000 out of Disney. We're talking about people who have the ability to say, I'm pulling my billions and billions and billions that are generated through 401ks and other things that we have associated with you unless you get rid of this guy now. Speculation. But I don't know. I kind of think it makes sense.

But I'm not convinced that Chapek was like anti-Wolk or anything. But I think ESG is a powerful factor. I saw people misinterpreting this from both sides like first i saw christopher rufo saying that jpeg's firing was a rebuke of woke leadership so we're supposed to buy the narrative that jpeg was anti-woke but also that he was woke and then i saw other people complaining uh about bob jpeg being anti-lGBT and betraying his LGBT employees. So I don't know what narrative to buy here. I think really it's just that he was a pandemic CEO and now they're getting rid of him for training a replacement.

I was going to say, anytime one of these companies, whether it's Disney or Nike, has some sort of incident, conservatives like to pounce on and be like, get woke, go broke. But even under this guy's leadership, year-to-year revenue was up his first year, I think 6%, some sort of incident conservatives like to pounce on and be like get woke go broke but like even under this guy's leadership like year-to-year revenue was up his first year i think six percent then from 21 to 22 is like 20 so he was doing a good job financially speaking and so it makes you wonder how woke the company wants things to go if this is the guy who even when you know buzz lightyear's got like a gay kiss and these things are happening even he's like allowing that to happen what was he preventing from happening where now hr something feels like he stepped on his toes and now they

want him out they're gonna bring back uh bob now they just put their new their newest movie strange world i think it's called they have the first openly gay protagonist for a kid's movie and i saw people celebrating this chapek didn't do anything to stop that. Yeah, it's kind of weird because I assumed they're all woke. You know what I mean? Yeah, weren't they both pretty woke? Weren't they both kind of instituting these policies? Yes.

I mean, Iger was always more openly political and openly woke than JPEG, but I think that they might have been planning to fire JPEG. And at the end of the day, I think it's important to understand the importance of the ESG score, the institutional money, the BlackRock money that is there that is calling for a lot of these policies to be implemented, no matter what the price that's going to be paid for them. So I don't think these are even company-made decisions. I think these are decisions made even higher up

than that, as we're seeing the same kind of cultural push all at once, pushing these larger kind of ideas out there. Now, there's reports that Disney had a $1.5 billion streaming loss last quarter, that their theme parks aren't doing too well with customers being unhappy. They also have ESPN, which people call a sinking network. So a lot of things are happening here. But again, Disney doesn't have the best record, especially with their child actors, especially with them previously thanking concentration camp guards in East Turkestan. So this is a company that, again, is major.

It's a big powerhouse. It's interesting to see this switch. And I think people are going to attribute it to their own political beliefs rather than actually what's really happening there. You could blame a CEO as you want, but I think it are going to attribute it to their own political beliefs rather than actually what's really happening there. You can blame a CEO as you want, but I think it's important to highlight the bigger pressures above the CEO that they need to comply with. You notice that, you know, they're talking about policies of DEI. And, man, that's really interesting, isn't it?

Because, you know what, how do you pronounce it? Day? Is that how you pronounce it in Latin? I've never said it. Day. I've always heard everyone refer to as die for no no no it's a latin word yes but it's diversity equity inclusion what do you mean there's a latin word day well i think it's pronounced yeah of god right right and uh it's very weird that they use the same word for their non-theistic religion it is a religion i never thought that was on purpose do you think that was on purpose.

Do you think that's on purpose? I don't know if it's on purpose, but it's a heck of a coincidence. I think that we are still closer to a cult symbolism that we might be comfortable with acknowledging. And it's interesting because the same way that like under a Catholic monarchy, no decision would be made at any institutional level without first thinking, well, how is this going to be viewed in the eyes of God? We do the same thing in this country, except, well, how are black people or how are gay people going to feel about this? So we are literally, as Tim said,

worshiping like this whole idea. I agree and I disagree. I think it's not even about race because Candace Owens, they don't care what she and Kanye have to say or Kyrie Irving. Like all of a sudden their race is erased from the conversation.

It really is just, we have a cult. We have things we claim. And if you agree with it, that's what they're, so they're really talking about the religion. Like, it makes it more, more about the religion. How does this impact our religion is basically how they view it. I think that's true, but I think if Candace Owens were saying things that they agreed with, then she would be, you know, a face on MSNBC or something like that. I think it's because they view her as basically a race traitor that she's now disinvited from the conversation because she's an Uncle Tom or whatever. But it's it's it. I guess this is my point. Candace Owens can have similar opinions to Ben Shapiro and Ben Shapiro is Jewish and she's black and it doesn't matter.

But then you can have someone who's at MSNBC woman who got fired recently. I can't remember. But it's like it's like the race doesn't matter. It's it's if do you agree with them or don't you agree with them? If you're a white person, you agree with them. You're in. If you're a black person and you disagree with them, you're out. Yeah, I think that the Candace would be considered like an outlier with what they regard to be like black interest or things like that. I mean, she is a dissenting voice within America and with also the black community. So I think that, you know, even on Twitter, every time she goes viral, all of the replies are from black people calling her a race traitor, calling her Uncle Tom, things like that.

And so even regardless of skin color, I mean, she's still serving, I think, what they ultimately want, which is like enforced equality in this country. And I think and I agree. I think the reason why they take such offense to Canada specifically is because it does damage their narrative. Seeing people who are just like, hey, I don't agree with your ideas and my race isn't a component. Then they're like, no, that can't be allowed.

Like we can't have people who say those things. So you're internalizing white supremacy. I think there's more room for dissent, though, if you're not white. Because I don't think Kanye would have gotten away with what he said to the extreme that he has if he were white. I agree that, you know, like. And Dave Chappelle, too, for that monologue he did on SNL. Right. If you are a marginalized person, you are allowed to wield the sword more so than if you're a white person.

So you can be a somewhat dissenting voice. If you agree with the cult and challenge it in a way like, actually, you're being a bigot, then they'll be, oh, they'll defer, right? So obviously, there's like a weird identitarian hierarchy to what these people believe. Anyway, the reason I brought this up, not to just, you know, to go back to what I was saying is they call it God. Whether intentionally or not, D-E-I means God, of God. That's creepy to me. Yeah.

Apparently pronounced Day-E, by the way. Day-E. There you go. See, I knew I wasn't getting it right because I don't speak Latin or anything like that. I think it's both right. Yeah, both right. Well, Elon Musk tweeted Vox Populi, Vox Day-E, or whatever. And I know what that means i mean simply put because

i played um uh bioshock infinite you played that right uh i owned a copy yeah okay so you know the vox vox populi i think the voice of the people and then so and i know what day means or day whatever and so i saw what he said i understood the gist voice of the people is the voice of god or the is the however you want to explain it and then i was like ah that's very funny touche elon musk and then i looked it up and when i tried searching for it latin doesn't come up wokeness comes up when you search for day when you like yeah what what what comes up is not god or latin what comes up is all of these websites about equity and wokeness and all the other creepy stuff.

It's a church. Equity is particularly scary because it's harder to define that than equality. I mean, if it's equality, okay, everyone should be equal. Equity implies this like vague narrative of who has had injustice done to them and they define the narrative.

So that is of course going to be anybody who isn't a straight white male. And so because of that, they have this like Trojan horse that's painted in the blood of like black slaves. And in that they're going to contain all of this stuff that's going to disenfranchise white people, straight people, normal people from being able to access these positions in favor of what they want, which is the DEI stuff, which of course is never going to be, you're never going to see like a board of like a bunch of, you know, Latino people, and they're going to be like, you need more white people. It's always diversity being defined as less white people, more people of color, which is the way that they define it, because then you have all non-white people versus white people, people of color. And it's like, well, I mean, frankly, you know, white people, we have all sorts of different

eye colors, different hair colors, things like that. Luke's not white. You're not? See, exactly. He didn't even even know. Exactly exactly you don't recognize my people's struggles i come from the slavic people that that been through a lot of struggles my family's been through some crazy stuff and if we're going to be going through sorry sorry i can't interrupt what's your ethnic background well so i'm irish and some people even say that irish aren't white so maybe i but are you just ir? Irish and French, I think. Okay, so you're white. Luke is Polish.

So that makes him a person of color. But sorry, Luke. But the horrible thing, don't interrupt me. Let marginalized voices speak. No, no, no. But if we're truly going to go through, okay, your people were oppressed. Okay, there's a long history. There's a lot of cultures.

There's a lot of people who were oppressed, who dealt with slavery, who dealt with oppression, whether by the Russians or the fascists or whatever it may be. My family went through all of that. But at the same time, it's kind of disingenuous to tell the people, the more of a victim you are, the better you are, the better you are in our system. And I think that right there is not only promoting victim mentality, but also making you know cheapens things and it and it and it disincentivizes people from actually taking grips of control of their life and saying hey i'm in charge of this i'm not a victim i set my own destiny here and and that works in direct parallel against it which is which is absolutely uh disingenuous and

horrible i think and has a very negative effect on the psyche of a lot of these people and individuals let me let me tell you what else I find very strange. Because everybody knows what equity means, right? Equity means the value of shares issued by a company. And more. Quote, he owns 62% of the group's equity. It means the value of a mortgaged property after deduction of charges against it. It references a trade union, an equity card or whatever. And then

on Google, it says the quality of being fair and impartial. Interesting. In Latin, it comes from equus, equitas, and equite, and then equity. And I think it's pretty interesting that the colloquial understanding of the word was never fairness. We always use equity, at least in my life, to refer to your value. So when you'd say something like, oh, I have a hundred grand equity in my home or whatever, you're specifically referring to what is the intrinsic value of what you have or something like that. There's something creepy about them coming out and using this terminology, the value of shares as you need a company, stakeholder capitalism and things like that.

And then referring to how they need equity. It sounds like they're trying to define what value do you bring to this system? Now, I don't know, perhaps it's a stretch, but when we're at a point in history where you have the Great Reset, the World Economic Forum coming out outright saying stuff about overpopulation for years, and then they're asking you about how we can push for equity, it sounds like, to me, they're arguing, can we push for a system where people have a higher value than liability? And a lot of this stuff is crazy, especially seeing the NHL say that there's too many white people in their league.

Wait, I said that? Yeah, and that they're having specific outreach programs that are going to make it more equitable, that are going to make NHL teams more diverse. So we don't see that in the NBA. I mean, if we're going to be doing that with the NHL, are we going to be doing that with the NBA, just to be fair here? And obviously, that's not going to happen here.

But when you have a society based on artificial things and allegiance to the cult rather than actual merit, you're going to have a society that fails. This is why a lot of people believe communism failed, mainly because it wasn't the best person for the job. It wasn't the hardest working person for the job. It was, oh, you have the perfect allegiance. You have the perfect family lineage. You have the person who we're close with and friends with who's going to be in these positions of power because you're close to us, because you bow down, because you respect authority. That's not a society that is actually progressive. That's a society that is degressive and overall hurts humanity. Getting people to give their perfect allegiance to a government

requires taking their religion away from them. That's reeling it back to religion. They want to make the state your religion. They want to make obedience to the cult your religion, rather than, of course, an actual religion based in god and worshiping yourself that also too i think is another important element that's what representation is all about it's just like i need to see myself all the time even when i'm not looking in a mirror i need to see myself in media yeah and it's a problem if you see color and if it's a problem

if you don't see color which which again is is just such a confusing political social landscape that we're supposed to be living in that a lot of people are living in fear a lot of people are uncomfortable and when it comes to humor that that you know softens a lot of this kind of uh uncomfortability that is banned that is censored that is being attacked and we see dave chapelle being you know called anti-semit is, I think, absolutely absurd and crazy when his comments were hitting at everyone and making people laugh about something that people are taking way too seriously and creating more of a divide in our society, which I think is being done deliberately by central controllers, because the more that we could fight each other, the less we're actually looking at the true oppressors, the true multinational corporations, the true big bankers, the true people in power that are screwing us over and creating this larger economic

havoc that we're having to deal with and really screwing everyone over. I don't know if it's that. I think it's probably more that that conflict exists naturally. I think people are very tribalistic. And I think that they do have an incentive to kind of stoke the flames of that. But this is sort of like, I think, the record of history. And it is interesting how any identity, like we talked about religion, that you have that would separate you from the state, whether it's a religious identity, a cultural identity, national identity, anything like that has been dissuaded and basically erased. You're not allowed to have that. And so when you're looking for an identity now in this country, you have like the state approved identities. You know, you can be like gay, for example. And think about like,

since the beginning of time, humans have made flags to define identities. You know, you can be like gay, for example. And think about like, since the beginning of time, humans have made flags to define themselves. And now we have the pride flag and then we have all the other flags like that. That is just so telling to where young people are going nowadays to where they wanna feel like they can be proud of their identity,

be proud of something. And so they have to wave the pride flag, which now, as I'm sure we'll get into on the national stage, is even more representative of American values and American power than the actual American flag. Because when you see the American flag now flying at embassies in Saudi Arabia or whatever, you don't think of white picket fences and apple pie. You think of gay people.

You think of things like that, because that is what America wants to promote on the world stage. Oh, I disagree. I think of soldiers, like Saudi Arabia specifically, I think of oil, U.S. soldiers guarding oil fields and poppy fields in Afghanistan. I think of Yemen and the humanitarian crisis that's still continuing right there, that's causing millions of people to die.

But the reason I bring that up is because U.S. embassies were flying the pride flag. Yes. And so like, they're just outright, not in Saudi Arabia, obviously. But I do think- Just like the corporations. They don't, you know,

Well, this reminds me of the World Cup controversy in Qatar because people are calling out the human rights violations in Qatar that they mistreat their women, that they mistreat migrant workers and LGBT citizens there. And yet when Westerners call it out, they're told the West is just as bad on all of those issues and they have draconian laws against abortion.

So really, we have no right to call them out and we're morally unclean. And, you know, Qatar is is on a level playing field with us. So this is a story we pulled it up. So people have the one love bracelets and symbols. And Qatar was like, you you you can't wear those things and people are all shocked and surprised they're not allowed to do it it's the craziest thing to me they can't even drink at the stadium they banned alcohol which which was more of a controversy which is great they shouldn't be drinking alcohol it's horrible for you it's horrible for your brain it shrinks your brain but should they be banned from drinking well

this is their their religion this is their religion. This is their culture, right? And if we want to be, you know, respectful of them, this is how they do it. So this is the fine line that a lot of people are playing in. But that's more of a controversy than the migrant slave workers that were dying building the stadiums. That has nothing to do with religion. Like, that's just the fact that they violate people's rights. Well, it depends because some religions are okay

with with with slavery more than others you know there's also particular scripts in referring to the quran uh there's particular scripts that are you know like for an advocate they even excuse a passage from the quran in the opening ceremony ceremony along with like morgan freeman and then this double amputee youtuber from qatar and the whole ceremony just seemed so satanic and globalist and creepy it like sent chills down my spine i i was so disgusted morgan freeman how much did they pay him to do it i mean he was he was lip-syncing it so badly trying to speak arabic or something no no no they like he had this monologue that was playing around the stadium but he wasn't saying it live he was lip-syncing to it and it was really badly done and it was just like the whole thing was a mix of

cringy and evil seeming i just i'm saying like the alcohol thing i think people should be allowed to drink alcohol i think uh you know i think there was some special process you had to go through. Like you had to apply to be able to drink at the stadium. Right. Well, you can still drink at bars outside the stadium. You just can't drink on the actual process. Right, right. But my point is just this is like kind of waking people up to like, hey, wait a minute.

What's going on with this country? Yeah, there are women who have been raped and then imprisoned for being raped. Yes. Like, that's crazy. But because we overturned Roe v. Wade, we're being called out as having draconian laws against women's rights. It's not even the same playing field. It's completely different.

You should see what Saudi Arabia is doing to the Shiites, especially with all that public hangings that they've been doing. And if you look up public hangings, Saudi Arabia right now, you're going to see that there's an influx of this, especially right now, which is which is absolutely crazy. But this is our one of one of our biggest allies that we're funneling all these weapons and arms to and having a coalition that's bombing Yemen right now, working with, of course, al-Qaeda rebels, which a lot of people want to ignore. But even the Associated Press admitted the United States coalition is on the side of al-qaeda and they do little pr ops

where of course the u.s troops and the saudi arabian troops come in and then they literally call al-qaeda be like hey guys leave and then al-qaeda comes back in and conquers the territory did you guys see the uh i think it was babylon b article taliban quits twitter in protest of trump being reinstated that was good those guys are funny yeah well when you take a look at some of these countries there was uh uh it's it's surprising to me i was going back to what i was saying about uh cutter there was a story it might have been dubai is dubai where's dubai in the emirates a lot of these these countries have similar rules uh similar laws there was a woman who was on a work trip with a male colleague and they they hooked up in a room and they were like oh you're under arrest like that's illegal you cohabitating there was another story where a

woman was on a work trip and like some guy went to a room and raped her so she called the police and they said okay you're under arrest for you know sex outside of marriage and she was like what and then she goes to prison like it's shocking to me how there are american people and european individuals who go to these countries seemingly believing that they have the same values as the West. And they don't. They don't believe that. They rely on Western self-hatred to avoid responsibility for this. That's what it is.

With the World Cup, Westerners can't call out human rights violations in this country because westerners are supposed to hate themselves for their own so-called human rights violations and truly like the overturning of roe v wade is not even close to uh the the laws you're talking about in fact our biggest human rights violation in my opinion is the fact that we have abortion in this country at all yeah we kill babies john John, where do you draw the line when it comes to either respecting the culture or pushing them to change and calling them out for being wrong?

How do you navigate this crazy minefield? That is a very good question. I think that I notice a very disturbing tendency for this like blind American patriotism, George W. Bush style, waving the flag, which I love. I'm a patriot. But I see like this very sad phenomenon now where you've got like middle-aged dads, for example, and they're coming home and they're watching the news, they're in their recliner,

and they're hearing a story about how, you know, women are being raped in the Middle East or these terrible things are happening. And then their, you know, son comes in and they're like, okay, dad, we have to go to the pharmacy to pick up my hormones. And they're just like, be right there, son. They're like, those Muslims are real savages. How barbaric are they? And it's like, okay, dad, we have to go to the pharmacy to pick up my hormones. And they're just like, be right there, son. And they're like, those Muslims are real savages. How barbaric are they? And it's like, look, rape, murder, abuses of women. This stuff is as old as human history. What is new and what is especially evil is what's going on in this country, which is

now you are taking children and you are exploiting them to very evil things. You are doing the most evil thing that could be done to them, which I'm sure we'll get into in the after segment. And that is new. Nowhere else in the world is that happening except the West. And when the West goes and invades other countries, maybe for financial reasons, maybe for oil, ultimately what they're trying to do is introduce things like feminism, introduce things like gender ideology, or even like with our immigration policy, for example. I don't want to live in the Middle East. I don't want to live in Russia. I don't want to live anywhere like that. Terrible countries. But at least those will still be given to their descendants, whereas it

is the official policy of Western countries to bring in people from the third world, oftentimes from Muslim countries, to replace the native population of that country. So maybe their countries suck, but at least they'll be able to hand that down to their children, whereas the West can't say the same. So not only do we not have our heritage, we're being taught to hate that. We don't even have our future because our kids aren't going to have the same country that we had and also if the kids even are allowed to be children they're not going to be the gender you know i think i think a big component of this is that the right has a longer memory than the left or the left is just outright lying which is probably the case uh this happened to tucker

carlson he was talking about this idea uh that's democrats are bringing in immigrants to you know uh i guess expand the population as it were chuck schumer literally said this like recently he said americans don't have enough kids so we need i think it was schumer said this right he's like we got to bring in more immigrants and it's like okay you know or we as a country can be like, hey, maybe people should have kids too. Like, I'm down for immigration done legally and through a normal legal process. And then if we're concerned about population expansion, how about instead of saying abort your kids and sterilize them, you say, okay, maybe some people should have kids and we can have immigrants too. Like, what's wrong with this tucker mentions this that democrats have explicitly stated they want to bring in uh immigrants because they vote they vote democrat when when when

immigrants get naturalized and become citizens they typically vote democrat and when they get added to the census as legal residents or i guess even non non-legal residents that counts towards the census and gives congressional power and presidential electoral power to these states. Tucker Carlson says this, that all of a sudden the media forgets that they were advocating for this very thing, that Schumer advocated for this very thing and accused him of being a white supremacist conspiracy theorist. Yeah. And that's the problem is like, you know, you can, you will have the types who want to make it like this explicitly racial issue. And there is a component to it that is that, But really what it boils down to is like the people who have the deepest incentive in preserving

this country, conserving this country are conservatives and also people who are white because this country was virtually like 90 percent white up until 1965 when they restructured the Immigration Act. So if you look at all the people who are going to want to keep things the same, yeah, they're going to be by majority white people. That doesn't mean that there can't be other groups of people who can't want to conserve the country, keep it the same. But they do have an explicit incentive to import people who are not white from these third world countries because they're not going to really care about things changing. And oftentimes they

fail to assimilate even where they'll come and they still want to wave the Mexican flag or the flag of wherever they come from. And it's like they like America insofar as it presents economic opportunities to them or insofar as it presents other types of opportunities, but they don't really value it as like a home or something. And we're so desperate for people to love this country because we're so used to people shitting on it that then they want to have people, oh, well, they're waving the flag. So they're just like us. We can sing Sweet Caroline at the baseball game and get drunk.

They're just as American as we are. And it's like, it's not that simple. Yeah, I think this is their path towards world domination. Joe Biden recently announced climate reparations. Did you guys see this? Yeah. A billion, was it a billion dollars? I think so.

And a lot of people on the right missed the point. They come out and they say, this climate change stuff is bunk, and Joe Biden's giving away our money. You know why he did it? The concern right now is that the BRICS nations are expanding. The World Economic Forum has said BRICS Plus is the future. People like Joe Biden want the petrodollar to remain the future. How do you maintain the petrodollar? You give the money

to people and tell them, you say, I'm going to give you money. Then guess what happens? These people say, I have this money. It's valuable. You give to other countries. You give it to Pakistan for gender studies. Then BRICS says, hey, use the ruble or the one. And they go, no, no, no, no. I have all these dollars. They're valuable.

By giving out this money, the US is trying to force other countries to use the dollar and retain it and maintain confidence in it. That's the real incentive. Because if it ever comes to the point where the petrodollar ceases to exist, or it is no longer the reserve currency, Americans are in for a very rude awakening about the manufacturing base in this country and the things that they don't get from here. So your computers are gone, your clothes are gone, your shoes are gone, your cars are gone. Good luck. Yeah, that's interesting. Because like you say what you will about China, but they understand that with economies, production equals prosperity. And this country's economy is based on like a bunch of really weird things. We've got like this debt

based money system, fiat currency, usury, you know, these weird like IT jobs and middle managers, but like we don't actually make anything in this country how we used to. And with the pandemic and everything that really showed where our weaknesses are. And until we start to bring back some of that manufacturing capacity, we're just basically like riding a wave that's eventually going to crash. Well, this happened. And I don't think there's there's any way we could go back to what you have been describing ever since, of course, Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger went to China and opened up China to the world, aka made a deal with them saying, hey, we're just going to take all the factory jobs, give you them for cheap slave labor goods,

and we're just going to keep printing more money here. The larger question is how much more money could we be printing here? And there's also going to be a lot of significant economic problems, not just with all this crazy money printing, but more importantly, what's happening right now in China with their zero sickness policy is absolutely insane and will have a very detrimental effect on the American public, mainly because they're not going to be producing. They're not working. They're locking millions and millions of people down into their own buildings without any food, even in many instances where people are dying and killing themselves because they're so sick of the lockdowns, which are being patrolled by

drones that are literally flying overhead from surveilling them and watching every single one of their moves as they have to live on a QR code system. And now China also is stockpiling a lot of gold. They're also decoupling a lot from the US dollar. So they're making a lot of very significant moves away from the US consumerist system that is dependent on their slave labor and i don't think they actually you know understand the larger consequences of it because they're prioritizing a zero sickness policy which is absolutely nonsensical i think it was one person that died in china because of this sickness well zero covid yeah yeah well you know yeah uh we say sickness because again you get the drift of what i'm saying here you see the video I think there was like a theme park

and then all of a sudden the police announced there was a COVID case Disney World in China people were locked in there unless they had a QR code that approved it they were stuck in Disneyland in China so this shows you the level of just

control freak insanity that these people are willing to go through again bill gates compliments this he says china's doing an amazing job bill gates is advising the chinese government here so to me what's happening in china is a larger beta test to what they want to roll out globally against everyone and that is total control and that's what we saw from the G20. That's what we saw from COP27. All plans to create a system, a social credit system, a central bank digital currency system, a system where, of course, you get followed around by drones and need a QR code of compliance just to exist in society. And I refuse to live in that kind of society.

I think that's probably true. We sort of had the same thing in America already, maybe to a lesser extent. But we have something of a social credit system where if you say the wrong thing now like kanye said i can't use my apple pay anymore or even with um like the digital currency i mean when's the last time anyone here has bought something with cash it's been a while you can't use apple pay yeah he made a video he made a video saying specifically he's running for president of the united states specifically because adidas contacted Apple and Apple shut down his ability to pay for things.

Yeah. Which he said it was insane and they're punishing the... Do you remember exactly what he said in that video? I don't. I didn't watch the video. I don't want to paraphrase it, but he went on a rant saying,

this is why I want to run for president of the United States because if they could do this to me, what are they doing to everyone else? This is the meme though. The meme where the person goes to the supermarket and then you have to use your phone to buy something and it says, your credit card has been disabled due to, you know, insensitive comments made online or something.

And so that's the thing. It's like, in China, if we live there, yeah, they're draconian and you can't criticize the government. But if you criticize, you know, LGBT stuff, which doesn't exist there because they they ban it, it's like, you'll be at a greater liberty to do things like that. And so this is sort of the problem that America had, we made a calculation where, okay, if we open up the markets with China in the latter half of the 20th century, their economic prosperity is going to make them more liberalized, because everything's going to be fine, our companies are going to go over there. And then it backfired, where now you're empowering this country that is hyper

nationalist, frankly, racist, ethno nationalist, and very traditionalist. And now they're going to try to compete, like you said, with the U.S. on the world stage. And they're like totally resistant to all the woke stuff that the U.S. wants to do. They made another calculation where they said, okay, social media is becoming very popular. We're going to censor American social media platforms. We're going to build our own. Conservatives called that, you know, Orwellian. But now you don't have kids in China talking about switching their genders, doing things like that, because that's frankly, that's like how the U.S. has soft power in other countries. We have our media companies going and incepting these ideas into people's minds. And China said, no, we don't want that. They're doing the same thing to us, though,

where if you have TikTok in China, you're seeing videos of people that are, you know, playing piano, that are proficient in the maths and the sciences. But if you download TikTok in America, you get a totally different algorithm. You get very degenerate, depraved content because they're trying to take the youth, which is the future, that could maybe compete with them and just make it completely demoralized. But now there's even Democrats saying they want to ban it. Yeah. Which I think is weird, kind of crazy, but maybe TikTok should have been banned. There's a challenge to this should

it should a company be able to should it should tiktok be allowed to operate an algorithm that is sending detrimental content to kids or should our government for national security reasons be like dude this is destroying us from the inside out and take it out and remove it i've had people libertarians tell me that i was being fascist or being authoritarian by arguing the app should be banned and i'm like i get it but i've never been an anarchist or a hardcore libertarian i've always been kind of just a liberal yeah yeah but these are not private companies we have to understand these are state-run institutions that are running larger psyopses that are running what some would people describe as fourth or fifth generational

warfare, where specifically it is used to not only demoralize, but to destroy human beings' attention span, destroys people's ability to coexist in society, destroy relationships, destroys families. This is the larger consequences of a government-engineered action. And therefore, I would argue, it's not a private company. They don't deserve the protections of a private entity. But if TikTok were were banned in the u.s wouldn't something worse just crop up that is made by americans like youtube shorts yes like youtube shorts is somehow lower iq than tiktok and instagram reels like something worse will come up created by americans and we don't need china's help becoming you can

agree that's more demoralized like we're doing this mostly to ourselves most libertarians they're very fine people but they are usually either like teenagers or like these sort of disaffected gen xers who were angry at their dads for like catching them smoking weed in the garage or something it's just not serious so yeah i think I think it should be. Come on, come on, straw man. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've had smart libertarians on the show. It's not that they're not smart. So here's a good example. What's his name? Austin Peterson. Very smart guy. Very nice guy. He's hilarious too. I was a big fan of him back in 2016. I had a debate with him on Elijah Schaefer's show and we went back and forth on libertarianism. And what I find with libertarians is ultimately, because we agree on what we want the ideal society to be, you know, this constitutional

republic, everything is laid back, freedom. But where libertarians tend to disagree with people like myself is on what to do with the acquisition of power, how to go about that, how to go about using it. And we got into this like ultimately meaningless back and forth between like, okay, how do you want to go about taking power and then asking power to delete itself because the other side wants to take power and use it to like kill you so there's a great meme i saw it was on uh uh patriots that win the donald forum which i'm sure everybody else are good friends over patriots that win and it was this really crude paintbrush drawing where it said uh democrat vote republican vote libertarian vote and it was like dem it was like uh democrats 800 000 republicans 799 999 libertarian vote two and then it said winner uh no more guns

yeah and it was just like if the libertarians are just like okay i guess we have to accept that this preserves at least some of our rights then the Republican. That being said, you know, I get it. I remember hearing some conservatives say something similar to that, like libertarians need to recognize that voting Republican preserves more of their rights than not. And I'm like, yeah, but if the libertarians hate you, don't expect them to vote for you. Figure out how you get their vote. So you agree on these core issues, ask them what they don't agree with you on. Typically, you'll find out it's like war or something.

So I think the real opportunity right now is Donald Trump opposed all of that. Not perfectly. I know, Luke. But if we can get more America First types who are like, hey, we don't want foreign intervention in foreign war, you'll see more libertarians back. OK, that I'll take. The Libertarian Party is an absolute joke. I absolutely agree with that.

They're candidates or just non-professional people that made themselves look bad and made everyone else look bad. But if you're looking at a problem and saying, hey, there's a lot of government here, we're going to solve it with more government. That to me is just an idiotic take that doesn't really make sense to me as, of course, you're replacing a cancer with more cancer. When in reality, I think the biggest basis of a kind of anarchist perspective, which again, counters even the libertarian perspective, is that the solution should be within personal responsibility, within the individual being the best version of themselves to, of course, beat out all the bullcrap out there and not stand and not be a victim and not be

someone that needs government and not incentivize more of it in your life. And I think that's kind of the problem with the libertarian ethos. It sort of assumes the perfectibility of the individual. It gives them almost this opportunity to like, hey, you can exist and you can be trusted with freedom. And that may have been the case in, you know, the 1700s. But now this society, I mean, the founding fathers said that our constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It would be wholly inadequate for any other group of people. Now the average American in this country is like this overweight, porn addicted, like drug user. And we expect this guy to be trusted with freedom. That was brutal. And it's just, it's true. And so

you're seeing this all happen. And the libertarians think that like any power, any state power is bad. I would offer the distinction that we like to use with like gun rights, for example, what's the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun, a good guy with a gun, you can vote libertarian, you can say, hey, you should delete the power you have. And they're just gonna be like, okay, you're non-threatening. That's why no libertarian, unless they want to call for a revolution, which they really like to do, they like to fantasize about these, you know, big mass conflict scenarios, they never get banned from social media because what they're saying is fundamentally not threatening because they're just saying, hey, state, go away. And then you've got

people like Trump, people who are more authentically right-wing saying actually i want to infiltrate the state kick out the communists make it illegal for them to occupy power and then make the country great again that's threatening and that's why those people myself included get banned maybe we need iron fist libertarianism i disagree with totalitarianism i didn't say that and any form of top-down centralization i didn't say that i didn't say that i said iron fist libertarianism In any form of top-down centralization of power. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said iron fist libertarianism, meaning. Where you got to lube it up or something? Yes. No.

I'm kidding. Calm down, Luke. You're freaking out before I even explained what I mean. I'm joking. I mean, a libertarian party that respects the rights of the individual, that enshrines the rights of the individual, guarantees them within the confines of the law and recognizes they have to be threatening to those that would seek to destroy and steal the power from the people. The point I'm trying to make is,

the founding fathers, I think, were that. They were like, the individual is the smallest minority and people have these rights and here's the Bill of Rights and we're going to war with Britain to secure them. Now the Libertarian Party is like, guys, guys, guys, know hold on there a minute we shouldn't do that because that goes against our values and it's like okay the libertarians that oppose borders i think are silly sorry like i understand what you mean when you're like borders are imaginary lines i didn't argue with this libertarian he's like you think that imaginary line exists and i'm like no i think we've asserted

we guarantee and protect our rights. And this is as far as we can protect and are willing to enforce upon the land. We have defined the space as what we guard, what is ours. And within it, we respect the rights, the human rights and the constitutional rights of the people here. Look, I just refuse to lick the boot. That's just me, my own personal perspective. You make some very good valid points. And I agree with you with some of them but at the end of the day how do we deal with this kind of fat porn

addicted uh loser that of course is is destroying themselves to me personally i you know people would argue like hey you know these people who are victims of this who are going for the short-term pleasures are going to kind of uh ruin themselves not have families not reproduce this gives opportunities for people to, of course, be the best versions of themselves. But how do you, and I think, you know, incentivizing healthy people, families, good diets, exercise is something that should be done.

But how do you do that on a state level without being an authoritarian, without being like the Chinese government? How do you do that? Where's the balance? So this is sort of the problem where the right in the last 60 years has inherited the worst parts of libertarianism

without the good parts of it. So like the reason we lose is because, you know, we are the graceful losers, the beautiful losers. We have principles. We're not going to fight dirty. It's better to lose with dignity than to play their game.

And so now we all have to eat food and use those calories and convert those into thoughts about how to argue against children being like having these surgeries. That is so unspeakable. Imagine telling that to someone 50 years ago. Like, yeah, you're actually going to have to set aside time to think about arguments as to why this shouldn't happen. That's what modern conservatism has brought to the American people. We have failed to conserve everything up until like literally now your kids are going to be taken from you if you disagree with that.

I agree with you. I want to expand on that. It's absolute individualism with no responsibility. Yes. It is police officers running away from school shootings. It is the Uvalde cops saying, I'm not going in there. It's the security guard in Parkland being like, I'm going to run the other direction. I was talking about this on one of my segments earlier because I had a T-shirt.

It's the rooster that says, stand to your ground. And it's our rooster, Roberto Jr. He's a cartoon. He's like, ah. And what I said was I thought it was funny. I think roosters are cool. And it's kind of interesting to me that chicken, historically for us in our colloquial English, is a reference to someone being a coward, despite the fact that roosters will sacrifice

their lives to save their hens. We used to look at what chickens were, even a rooster running full speed towards a fox and dying like as cowardly. Like that's kind of strange to me how something like that emerged. And then today we don't even have police officers who are willing to risk their lives to save children as it's happening in front of them. I'm like, OK, we're at the point where our politicians, where our law enforcement are just like, I'm not going in there. I'm not risking my neck for you. And that means society is broken.

Because yeah, everybody is so atomized and so selfish. And so this is sort of the problem with it. Like all of the things that are from the top down, because we sort of live in this like ideological cumulative tyranny where it's not as obvious as the tyranny that we were taught by Hollywood to fear, where it's one party that controls everything. All of these corporations, all of these institutions, NGOs, media, academia, government, they're all on the same page, even if they're not all under the same flag. But they are.

And it's usually the pride flag. But they still all are on the same page. And they're believing these things. And so they, from the top down, are demoralizing the American people by pushing into their eyes at virtually, you know, anything you go, whether it's advertisements, social media, all of this like depraved content. And that's where you get the escapism where people don't feel like they have any righteous future prospects. They think it's going to be harder for them to find a moral spouse, harder for them to start a family, to get a good job without amassing tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands

of dollars in debt. And so that's the escapism. Whereas like a man 50, 60 years ago would be like, ah, factory town, I'm going to do what my dad did. He would kind of have an idea. Now men are like, I don't know, I'm just going to like smoke weed and play video games and do whatever. And that's all just different forms of escapism. And so I don't think the answer to that problem is simply like smaller government, things like that. You have to actually use some form of power in this country to cut off the capacity of evil people to do that to your native population. And that's the only way that you're ever going to be able to have a people with a clear mind who can then pursue liberty,

which is defined in the pre-modern understanding as just the ability to pursue good without evil trying to basically like get in your way. I want to read a super chat real quick. Just because it's a very good one. It's from Fuke Yu. And they say, four white men and one white woman explaining politics. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. First of all, Luke's a person of color. I'm mixed race. Serge is African American.

And Mary's a ghost. There you go. I'm not even human. She's not even here. Imagine inviting that person to the constitutional convention. All these white man. So just really quick, how do you deal with porn, obesity? How do you deal with that on a state level?

What do you do? You're in the government right now. You're the president. What do you do? I would say, and I have a whole dissertation, it's called on this, by the way, on my channel. We go through all the scientific research for two hours, if you don't believe me. Porn is literally like a weapon. It's a drug and it is it's been used in israel as as as a particular form of weapon and even in like world war ii for example it's

demoralizing they would drop propaganda of soldiers being ravaged by the enemy force because it demoralizes you you know even from an amoral perspective ignoring the religious aspect of it you're watching some other guy you know have sex with sex with a chick. Presumably that's what you would like to be doing. And it does actually take a toll on you mentally. It hijacks your brain's reward circuitry. It makes you depressed.

So if you're a young man and you're watching and for whatever reason, you feel depressed, you feel like you don't have a lot of energy. It's tough for you to sleep. You can't make eye contact.

You're socially anxious. There's literally scientific evidence proving that that could be because of porn. Don't believe me? Watch the video. And short term pleasures as well, which people are more open to. and it also just destroys and fries your

dopamine sectors in your brain i agree that's the problem like obesity it's a big problem how do you like like i understand we get it how do you deal with this problem as as like a status uh if a state i wouldn't say but from from like a state level you know you can a state doesn't mean you're a state you could you could easily pass can... Militing a state doesn't mean your estate is Luke. You could easily pass legislation. You're a state of two. Go, Scott. Okay, yeah. You could easily pass legislation just simply regulating it the same way that we regulate

CP. You know, like, okay, if you're going to watch this, maybe you're 18 years old, fine. But we're going to make it so minors can't access it because the average age that children are being exposed to it when their brains are the most plastic and malleable is like nine years old. And that's assuming a normal distribution, which means 50% are even younger than nine years old. And the effects of that are very bad. I mean, now it's even tough for them to do studies on people's brains because they can't find a control group who hasn't been exposed to pornography because it's so pervasive. And so I think you

could easily regulate it like that. And people want to say, oh, well, I don't want to have to put in my driver's license to like watch porn. It's like, dude, nine year old, you know, like who cares if you want to like jerk off to something depraved like fine but like we're trying to protect kids here and there is something to be said about establishing barriers like you used to have to go to the vhs store things like that making it more difficult for people to do things that are bad is good or even with the food you go to europe you lose 10 pounds why is that yeah they don't put crap in their food like we do and we've tried so hard to find the villain, whether it's fats, carbohydrates, red meat. The villain is that you're eating chemicals that your body doesn't know how to digest.

It's predominantly because of Bill Gates and Monsanto buying up the lobbyist industry and going after the regulators and putting their people in charge that allows them to do all this crazy stuff. Yes. But, you know, this is the problem because it does need to be dealt with. And I think these are quantifiable problems that do need to be addressed. We hear this a lot, and it's come up quite a bit, that there are people we know, friends of people who work here who say that when they're outside the U.S., they eat this diet. They eat their normal diet, and they're thin.

They come to the U.S., and they eat the same food, and they gain pounds over like instantly and then we were like oh maybe you don't realize the portions are bigger maybe you started drinking and and the response i hear all the time is like no i eat the same thing and then we've even had one person be like when i went back home for six months the weight vanished like dude i'm eating the same thing yeah and people are adamant about i don't know people also just lack a lot of willpower these days. And then blame it on, oh, the ingredients. Like, I know that there are toxic ingredients in food, but also, like, just shut your mouth and stop eating. No, no, the ingredients are banned in Europe. I understand that they have stricter regulations, and I want us to have stricter regulations on it.

But also, like, just have some more willpower. Well, here's the thing i think as an american you should be able to just like be lazy and go to a mcdonald's and get a burger without having to worry about it like poisoning you and making you like effeminate i think you should be able to do that but you can't do that now in this country because nobody has the balls to take on but people are stupid no one's ever going to be like i mean look at the average weight of like a man in this country i i would love if people could do that but they they just won't. And it's going up dramatically. So here's the issue though.

If people are not apt enough, savvy enough, knowledgeable enough to avoid eating that garbage, is it the responsibility of the government to ban them from eating it? I believe so, absolutely. I mean, that's what is the government's job.

It's not to look out for the people. That's Mike Bloomberg's position. Yes, with the soda, right? And I'm not inherently saying you're wrong i'm just letting you know like yeah bloomberg right he wanted to ban sodas sugary drinks and he even went as far as to say tax the poor because they buy things that are bad for them so we should take more of their money away and then spend it on things that are good for them yeah that i don't think i don't think i want to tax it but i think there are ways to cut subsidies to things that are bad and redirect them towards things that are good. You know, the American diet in the 1950s, now we would scoff at, like, oh, all this red meat and everything.

They were significantly healthier than we are now. I mean, we are eating literal poisons and endocrine disruptors and cancers, and we wonder why everybody's so depressed. The two things that your brain is the most wired to pursue, food and sex, have been hijacked such that now, like we said, the average American is an overweight, hypersexual, porn-addicted slob. That's not good. With no impulse control. I went to a restaurant, and for dessert, they had a bread pudding.

And I was like, oh, that sounds good. You guys have had bread pudding before, right? Yeah. It was basically, they brought it out. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever eaten in my life, mind you. And it was this small, it was very small, but it was six Krispy Kreme donuts

compressed into a small cake and then covered with like sweetened condensed milk and like a cherry. And then I was like, I tried it. I was like, this tastes like Krispy Kreme. I was like, wait a minute. You could see that it was like, they took a half dozen donuts.

It's gotta be like 1200 calories in this thing. That's insane that was like a regular dessert for one person yeah so just it was delicious if i could surmise your argument correct me if i'm wrong sure you're saying human beings are imperfect they they can't rule their own lives so we need government to rule the lives for them but isn't the government made up of those same imperfect individuals with those same weaknesses that's my my argument is not that like you know people can't be trusted with liberty people can't be trusted with free i'm saying that this stock of people that we've assembled because we have failed to prevent evil forces from instituting evil

things is now at a state where i'm not saying they can't be trusted with freedom i think people are able to feed themselves i just think that we should and we do have an obligation to cut off the ability of people to be able to destroy themselves as easily with mainly you know know, cigarettes, that's fine. But with food, with pornography, things like that, it's like, yeah, I think that the government should step in and just make food real again, make sex real again, make people have relationships again. It is possible to at least redirect the trends. I agree with you on the problems, but the government, I would argue, created a lot of those problems, incentivized a lot of those problems, allows a lot of those problems. And this is why I don't think the state is going to solve those problems.

And I think it should be on an individual level. So you're talking about a state led by John Doyle, though. So if we're lucky. Hold on. So I think you're both right. Luke, you've recognized that we have a government that is doing bad things. That doesn't mean we just say instantly that all social pact or social contract is impossible. The issue is that corruption takes hold and

something has to be done about it. So I view it like this. What you're saying is deeply nuanced, John. You're talking about poisoned food and all these really corrupt things. They're hard to see. But at the root, there's something simple. Let's say you have a small village of 100 people. The anti-statist absolutist, and this is, I'm not trying to make a straw man, but if you are absolutely anarchic and like, no, no, there should be no authority, no state, governments are bad, and they always cause problems. A barbarian horde comes in, and they destroy everything. There's no social understanding.

There's no pact. Or a fire burns down a house, and people say, screw you, I'm not going to help you. No, no, no. The earliest form of government isn't inherently a bad thing. It's the centralization of authority and the corruption of government that's a bad thing. If you have a small village of 100 people and there's a social understanding between all of them as to how things are run, what is okay and what isn't, you've got the basics of governance, your community. The problem is we have no community left in this country. It's been totally shattered. And thus, what we're seeing now with the Democrats and the Republicans,

they're calling it the basement strategy. Katie Hobbs didn't campaign. They just said, get as many votes as possible. It doesn't matter what you say to these people. No longer are elections based on the social contract. They're based on playing to the rules to the best of the ability of the player. Republicans didn't understand this in the midterms, still managed to get the House. Now they're starting to realize that, hey, you don't need to campaign at all. Just get enough people to collect as many votes as possible in whatever the legal mean is, door to door as certified caregivers, and get people to vote for you. That's all that matters.

That's not a tenable government. That's all that matters. Yeah. That's not a tenable government. That's not going to work. There's also something to be said about the political incentive that we have, because so much of what the left does, like we hit on earlier, is just create and manufacture the victim narratives. And everybody's a victim. Everyone's in despair. And if you look at like what unites these people, it's much less ideology and much more just the shared misery and hatred against those who they cast as like their dad or whoever was like mean to them in their life or something. And when you have a person who is overweight, whose dopamine has been fried, they're depressed, that person is so much more likely to want to sympathize and resonate with those victim

narratives because they tell themselves through their narcissism, like I, because somebody like looked at me once in a Victoria's Secret because I'm overweight, I'm like just as oppressed as black people or something like that. And when you have people who are overweight, especially young people are so overweight now, where's the revolution going to be fought? I mean, the young people are the future. Testosterone too, because of the endocrine disruptors in the food is down 40% in the last 40 years. When your testosterone goes down, you become more agreeable. Your amygdala in your brain, these chemicals have been shown over time to shrink your amygdala, which is the part of your brain that is responsible for saying things like no. And not coincidentally, the average person in this country has been far more agreeable to things that would be unthinkable to our grandparents' generation. So I believe that

people can be trusted with liberty, but I also think that we should probably stop evil people from doing evil things. And then if people want to overeat, that's fine. But they do have an incentive to make you fat and weak and depressed. Let me ask you a question, Luke, right? A serious question. In an anarchist city or a place like Sharon, how do they deal with someone who is coming in with a gun and robbing people? They have community networks of people who actually are security guards who are responsible for the mutual protection.

So coming in the city, you go through a checkpoint, and you can't have any kind of political signs. You can't have any kind of political ideology. And they have a community watch, which protects them. And the crime has gone down absolutely dramatically. They haven't had a murder in many years now. And when they deal with crime, they deal with it in a sensible level where of course if someone is doing a crime because of an addiction they help that person deal with the addiction rather than of course just punishing

them and making them worse criminals how do they deal with fraud um i'm not i don't have any examples of that particular uh example at all so i don't know so the challenge is it's really easy to be like obviously taking someone's belongings is a bad thing, and we have, we've developed civics around how to deal with these things. Can you prove it? Are there witnesses? The standards vary from country to country, but typically if I take something from you,

I am causing damage to you. We understand that. If I strike you and there are witnesses saying you instigated the fight, we understand that. But what if you're doing something that's like, uh, scamming them out of their money? Something like that's fraudulent in the united states deception in order to steal their resources i i'll i'll ask my contacts in sharon and come back to you with a particular answer on that but the reason i ask is because some things are uh are illegal that some people think shouldn't be illegal and some things are legal that should be illegal. And how is that understood by the people of Sharan? For instance, what if someone buys 10

roosters and puts them in their house and they're screaming all day long? Clearly, people are going to be upset with that. What if someone goes outside and gets an LRAD and just blasts the sound at the top? Is it because they say, we've determined what you're doing to be unreasonable, regardless of whether or not we've agreed you can't do it? Obviously, blasting an LRAD device is damaging. But hey, hey, hey, come on, I want roosters. You can't tell me I can't have roosters. They're my animals, and I'm going to eat them, and I need them.

I'm not arguing for outright authoritarianism, but I do think a basic basic understood social contract where we understand each other is a valuable thing. Yeah, it's just simple. One of the main principles of anarchists is don't take people's stuff, don't steal, and don't hurt other people. And I think if we just live by those principles and we respect those principles, the world would be different. And when it comes to, especially what's happening with modern males, I would argue that there is an agenda meant to demasculate people, meant to destroy people, meant to create a public that is never going to stand up against the tyranny of the state, meant to, of course, make them acquiesce with everything, like you said. And it's not just testosterone levels. It's also sperm levels. It's also grip strengths. We are being

biologically attacked top down in almost every element of our life that is destroying modern manhood to the point where women now have better grip strength and even more testosterone than most males. No, that's not true. So why is it important for women to become more disagreeable? That's not true. That is not true. We've actually talked about grip strength on this show and pulled up studies showing the relative grip strength in specifically

referring to the differences between males and females males have stronger grip strength absolutely but but but now this this this kind of chart is changing right so so now yeah males have have stronger average grip strength but it's going down strength of women is going up right yes and so the same with the testosterone levels so why why is that important? Like, why would it be important for women to become more disagreeable and have more testosterone than they used to have? If that's part of a planned agenda? What I'm describing here is the takeover of the state, because I think at the end of the day, the state is doing this because the state needs people to acquiesce with it. And the state has an agenda that is pushing this agenda to have more people that they could rule over. Because again, the government, the state is a

corporation. They want to make sure they have the most clients. Who's going to be the best client of the state? The people who need it the most. And this is why there's been an agenda to make the people need the state more and more than ever. I agree with that. I think that this state is hostile towards the people over whom it governs. But I don't think it's because it is the state. I think it's because it was infiltrated by communists, and communists are evil people. Like, that's what they want. They want global communism.

They're very open about this. It's conspiratorial when we say it, but then you read the forms in the World Economic Forum, they're, like, completely open about it. They brag about it. They write dissertations and papers saying, we need global control, we need totalitarianism, and the way that they talk over society is by weakening the modern man.

This seems to get back to the point that we were talking about earlier with like, okay, we have this state. It sucks. It's hostile towards us. Well, now what do we do? What are we supposed to,

are we supposed to just tell it it should delete itself? Are we supposed to take power and then delete the state? Like, I don't think that anarchy has an actual answer to the problem because like you said,

if everyone just stopped stealing, everything would be fine. So true. Now try to tell that to like illegal aliens. What are you going to hand them like copies of like Thomas Paine literature and be like, hey, you should really, you know,

read some of this stuff. They just aren't receptive. Without the welfare state, we wouldn't have a lot of this immigration. That's true. So I think that's another argument that deserves to be made here specifically when it comes to the state incentivizing a lot of this nonsense, incentivizing a lot of these divide and conquer agendas. Again, no one has the perfect solution here. But at the end of the day, I think the more pragmatic thing is calling for decentralization of power, not centralization of power, giving people more opportunities to move away from this fifth generation of warfare that's affecting them. Because the more you empower the state, the using it to benefit ourselves. And, you know, we had a good system in this country. It wasn't perfect, but it was a lot better than the system we have now. And I think if we allow that stock of people to retain power, things would be far better off for everybody. I respect your opinion. You make very good arguments, but I believe that's a pipe dream. Well, all right. I guess we'll, I guess we'll see. I think, you know, one thing I've learned

over the past several years is that there is no end point. Or I suppose I should say it's a developed idea I've learned more and more about over a long period of time. But, you know, I often say the ends don't justify the means because you never meet the ends. Which is to say that you may come up with this document that says, like, here's the perfect government. And on paper it makes sense. You begin to implement it and things improve. A hundred years later, you live in a corrupt garbage country based on that document. And people are like, see, it didn't work. And you're like, no, it makes sense. You begin to implement it and things improve. 100 years later, you live in a corrupt garbage country based on that document. And people are like, see, it didn't work. And you're like, no, no, it worked for as long as it did. And then humans are fallible

creatures. That's just that's just it. The assumption that humans can can adhere to a perfectly rigid system is just not the case. Yeah. And so this is sort of I think the crossroads we're at where it's like, okay, either we keep telling people that small government is the answer, things like that. And then maybe one of these days we somehow manage to get the government to shrink or we decentralize the power. Or we actually try to do what they did, the long march through the institutions, take back power. And then the argument is, well, then what's to stop them from doing it? OK, then we're back at square one. We voted all our guys into office and then they become communists and then we're just back to square one i'm gonna back luke with one simple

solution um i think you'll agree in a sense let me ask you this if everyone every single person in this country was a conservative christian would you need police at a very small scale right the issue really is are we a cohesive culture yeah do we do we agree with each other do we uh do we uh have the same values if you have a community that shares its values you really don't have to we can leave your doors open assuming your values are like don't harm other people don't steal from them the problem is we have no shared values so people are turning to government for the solution when the solution is actually cultural. But so I agree with you with a long march to the institutions. We need our media apparatus mostly to basically speak to people and tell them like,

here are the things that we share. And I don't mean like a top down broadcast tower of like the five journalists. I mean, we need a we need a dominant culture to emerge, explain why what it does works, win the arguments, win the institutions, and then say like, this is what we as a community are here for. And then I don't think you need to rely on powerful governments or big government. And what's interesting about that too, is like the biggest, I should say the closest that we came to really living in that kind of post-racial society was probably after 9-11. I mean, everybody was united under the American flag, maybe for the wrong reasons. Maybe someone talked about that.

I don't want to talk about that one. You had things like, you know, the Chappelle show, for example, and Dave's still relevant, where he was making fun of every group equally, pretty much. You had things like WWE. Everyone loved Eddie Guerrero. Like John Cena put out a rap album. Sorry to interrupt, but I just want to address. Like John Cena put out a rap album. You were allowed to. Sorry to interrupt, but I just want to address the one point before we move on from it. There were a lot of Arabic people who were being discriminated against and feared because of terror.

Well, I should say post-racial in the sense of like. Sikhs as well. America's always been pretty much a biracial country. And then Hispanics started coming here after 65. But yeah, there was a lot of anti-Arab discrimination. But in terms of like, you know, the traditional American demographics, I guess I would say,

we really did kind of have a period where it seemed like it wasn't going to be as problematic. And then now they refuse to let us acknowledge those differences, which do exist because they believe that all people are fundamentally the same. And so you can't joke about them. You can't acknowledge them.

And if you do, you get canceled. Yeah, I think also just to continue this kind of larger conversation, I wasn't prepared for a debate, but when you made those pothead statements, those were shots fired. You're like, hey, man. No, I don't smoke weed. I don't use weed, personally, myself. But I do think one of the weaker elements of anarchy and libertarianism is when it comes to specifically children. I do believe children deserve to be protected. I do believe that there should be elements and institutions in charge that protect children from what's online, from other predators,

from other people taking advantage of them, from other people trying to hurt them psychologically, physically, and mentally. Who was the, was it Austin Peterson? He was on the debate stage when someone said legalize heroin for children, and he said no. And he's known as the guy saying no to legalizing heroin for children. They booed him because he said he wouldn he's known as the guy saying no to legalizing harem for children they booed him because he said he wouldn't do that now again i i i think there should be protections for children obviously uh because children aren't consenting adults and i think there's a lot of predators out a lot of libertarians would call that into question too absolutely exactly and that and this is where i stand differently uh this is this is where i disagree with some of the larger ethos and the larger philosophies.

I just wanted to make that clear because we're talking about this. And I think it's a fascinating conversation. Breitbart, he said politics is downstream from culture. And I've thought about it over and over again. And, you know, I've even mentioned this. Communism works in very small scales. And that's because a very small scale commune is a is a ideologically homogenous group of people that have all agreed on how they want to live and what they do. And even then, there's still some challenges.

But you can't scale it up because there's there's one famous commune. They have 100 open slots. If someone leaves, someone can apply to join and they let you come in. Everything's shared. But it's still controlled by a committee. There's still people who are hierarchical in control of it and can choose to let you in or not. The challenge is when you try scaling up something like communism, it utterly fails because ideology starts to become more and more disparate as you move away from the central hub. So I'll explain it this way. If you have a city, a cultural center that has like Broadway, for instance, people are sharing ideas.

They're producing similar culture and content. You see an emergent phenomenon of different styles of art emerging, but it all swirls around certain ideas. The further out you get away from that hub, the less people are a part of that culture. Now you're hundreds of miles away. Now you're thousands of miles away. And now they don't even speak the same language. You can't have a single system where those people agree with each other.

We're seeing this in the U.S. People in cities view the world one way. People outside of cities viewed another way. Somebody who's living in rural Nebraska is for some reason in an argument over gun control with someone who lives in the heart of New York City, where they're completely different worlds. One guy walks outside and he sees mountains and nothing else or fields of corn. And he's like, who am I hurting by having an AR-15? Then there's a guy who's in New York City surrounded shoulder to shoulder with tons of

people everywhere. And he's like, if someone fired a gun, it would cause chaos and mayhem. They're not even arguing the same world and they don't realize it. So this is a huge component of the problem we're facing here in the US, particularly with cities versus rural areas. That seems to be the big split component. Long story short, my point is, if everybody had a shared ideology, there'd be no problems. People would all just get along and agree. They'd be like, oh, yeah, that's the thing. That's the way it's supposed to be. Yeah. It's interesting

you say that too, because a lot of the communist intellectuals that they like to cite, like Peter Kropotkin, for example, if I recall correctly, when he was writing his treatises, he was talking about like communes of like a hundred people. And like I said, it's like, yeah, that could probably work. But when you scale to this level, even like with the USSR, a large reason that they collapsed was because of the different ethnicities that they had all under this one flag. And I think it can go both ways. I think politics can be downstream from culture, but I think culture can also be downstream from politics. Like, for example, with the USSR, I mean, that was an Orthodox Christian country, and you had the Bolsheviks come in, and they forced in communism, and they killed the Tsar, and they

implemented that to a population that didn't want it. You mean Russia was Christian, and then the Bolsheviks came in and turned it into the Soviet Union? Yeah. Yeah. And then, or even like with gay marriage, for example, California, arguably the most liberal state in the country. They shot that down in, I think, 2008 as a state.

Right. Seven years later, Barack Obama, you know, takes credit for the Supreme Court legislating from the bench saying this is now what we're doing. And now, seven years later, you look at where we are now. So there is this sort of assumption from the population, which I understand that sort of the government or the laws of the society are generally going to reflect its morality or its sentiment. And so when people saw the government doing that, you know, the White House lit up in the rainbow flag, I think it did kind of influence the culture like, oh, this is what we're doing. This is what normal people think.

And that sort of opened up the floodgates for everything that we're seeing now. And this is exactly what honest leftists have criticized me for. It's very fascinating. Typically, they just lie. And they'll lie about something because they're trying to convince people who aren't initiated into politics to join their side. But I had someone, I love this, they said, the reason they hate me, said this on Facebook, was that I shatter consensus reality. And I was like well thank you thank you for being honest they want consensus reality that's it they don't care what's true they care about what is perceived as true so that everybody marches in lockstep we are deviants we are outside

of that and we are pulling people from it yeah that threatens their structure they want superficial you know diversity not diversity of thought which again, something that is very dangerous and something that is regressive and is actually going to be hurting them in the long run, being able to learn to defend themselves, being able to create farms and to share food and to share resources with people. I believe that right there is going to be a lot better. That right there is a true form of anarchy that I believe could be practiced, should be practiced. And all it takes is you guys talking to your neighbors and doing the right thing and moving away from the state.

Because any kind of larger state that is based on forcing people to share an ideology is to me a very dangerous state it's tough i wish there were easier answers to all of this you know we have so many people who say like hey we just want to live in peace we want to live in peace but um it's funny because we do we really do but then you see that some ideologies just don't get along. Like in the UK, in, I can't remember the name of the area, there was a school doing LGBT curriculum and Muslims came out to protest it. A member of the LGBT community comes out and says, we're doing this for you. And they were like, how dare you? How dare you? You claim that.

And it's interesting because I've even seen these paintings where it shows a woman in hijab, but it's a rainbow. And I'm like, in the real world, there's there they really, really are angry about this, like in Dearborn, Michigan, where they're going to this meeting saying, do not vote Democrat because they are attacking Muslim values. These are these are religious conservatives. But for some reason, there's an attempt by the left to act like they're part of the same community. They don't get along. I want everybody to live peacefully. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. It means, you know, you do your thing, I'll do mine. Let's try not to infringe upon each other. But then the problem emerges where when these communities start butting up

against each other, and one community says, we find it abhorrent to do this behavior. The other community says, if you repress X behavior, you are a bigot and a tyrant. Well, now you've got a potential for conflict. And there's no simple solution like the law. It doesn't change how people feel about things. So there's no simple solution. If either people have shared values or agree to live under an umbrella of certain values, or you will start seeing conflict. And what we have for the past 10 or 20 years, this push for multiculturalism, it's proposed as here's the American umbrella of the Constitution. Underneath it, different cultures can coexist peacefully. What it's become is the umbrella of American culture has been

destroyed and accused of being monstrous. And now you have different cultures all existing at the same level and targeting each other. And that's just a recipe for disaster. It's a religion of wokeness that is destroying the fabric of society. Yeah. And so much of, you know, it's often very popular for conservatives to point out that the liberals were the ones who wanted free speech back in the day, but now they're the tyrants.

And it's like, well, it's actually been pretty consistent insofar as they didn't have a seat at the table because this was a moral country. And then we gave them a seat at the table and then they started promoting the worst things ever, kicking conservatives out of the institutions. And now they're like, okay, we're happy. We don't want to give you guys free speech. So we saw what happened when you grant, you know, tolerance and things like that to people who are fundamentally like trying to destroy your whole country. And now like, it's not enough for us to just say, okay, we'll be tolerant, you know, private individual in the privacy of your own home,

because we were tolerant. And then you see when people are embodying identities that are fundamentally disordered, whether it's the body positivity movement or LGBT stuff, they still feel a sense of like, incongruence or guilt with what they're doing. And so then they project that to society, where you have grotesquely obese people who are saying, the reason I feel bad about the way I look is because of society giving me dirty looks or people who are maybe experiencing a gender dysphoria will say, the reason I am unhappy is because of this. People like Tim Pool are being so mean to me right now, but they don't care about what you think on virtually any other issue. But the one that's most important, their whole identity, that's the one that all of a sudden they value your opinion so strongly. It's a cult. You you know funny thing happened to me today i got

a phone call from some like leftist guy yelling at me and it was funny so what happened was i was ordering starbucks i know i'm not a big fan of starbucks but somebody uh i think you wanted starbucks is that what happened this these are allegations but uh you know corporatist woke communist but so showing the cup on screen it's strategic the strategic cup placement you know, like... Corporatist, woke, communist. Not showing the cup on screen. It's strategic. The strategic cup placement. You know, look, I'll say it. I don't like them as a corporation, but they consistently do better.

And it bothers me that's the case. But anyway, I digress. I was ordering. And so it was a big order because it was for the office. It was for everybody. And I get a phone call. And so I'm like, the only... I never answer my phone, ever.

But this time I was like, they're probably calling me saying like, yo, what are you? You're nuts. You're ordering too much. But it was actually some guy just yelling at me. And he was like, why are you saying these things? And then I actually started talking to him. And I was like, the craziest thing was, you know, I don't approach these conversations. I'll be at this one was by accident.

But I love a good conversation with anybody. I don't care who they are, especially someone on the left. And very quickly, I was like, the things you think I did aren't true. The things someone told you I said are not what I actually said. You made a mistake and I don't blame you for that. Here's what I actually said. And then the dude was like, okay, well, he still wanted to be mad at me because there's this cult element to it. But I was like, my guy, I want LGBT people to be safe and to have their clubs and to celebrate and to drink and be merry. What I don't want is for child abusers to pretend that they're part of what is going

on with people enjoying a drink in their own private adult lives to then use you as a shield. That's what i called out and if anyone said otherwise then they're not really listening what i'm saying and we we shouldn't be mad at each other we should figure out how to work together it was an interesting conversation ultimately it ended with uh two two simple words that everybody knows and you have to drink and i if i say it because the end result was like the dude's head to was basically like um no no compromise and then i was like okay well like if this is the case then civil war is going to happen and we and then he was like okay and then he hung up

and he was like i'll tell everyone you said that i assume he was recording it but i'm like yeah go for it man like we want there to be no violence we want people just be like okay like you know we solve this with like a game of soccer or Unfortunately, if people view the world so differently, it's like we had this golden age for so long in this country. I say for so long, but maybe for like 10 or 20 years, where we really didn't see the conflict that the rest of the world sees, that we failed to realize how this stuff comes to fruition. I remember watching this old show. I can't remember what it was. I was very little, so probably something in a religious class where it was like a Christian being approached by a different religious person. It was a cartoon or something.

And they said, renounce your God. And the man said, never, I won't do it. And they said, then so be it. And they like started beating him or something. And I thought that was crazy. And I was like, what? Just say yes. So that like, they don't beat you and kill you and take you from your family and then let them leave. And then you can go back to believe in whatever you want. And it's only now as an adult, I realize why people actually feel the way they do about things like that and why they would never back down because ideology is strong with people who have determined there are good, there's good people, there's evil people, there's those that seek to harm and be destructive and they will never submit to it. And I'm like, okay, now I get

war. Yeah. The midterms, you know, fortification aside, are really great evidence of that. Like, people are very willing to accept a lower material standard of living if it means they get to think to themselves that people like us are like seething and miserable and things like that. They're willing to actually do that. And any mainstream Democrat politician can come out and say, look, I'm not a socialist. Look, I'm not a communist. And they will still be in the club. But none of them would dare say, look, I'm not in favor of all this transgender stuff. I'm not in favor of all this worship of diversity, equity, and inclusion. I'm not in favor of all this mass immigration. They would get exiled for that. So in effect, that is actually what the Democrat Party, what leftism is. It is the diversity, equity, and inclusion worship. It

is the transgenderism. It is all of that other stuff, the mass migration, the open borders. That is like what it is in effect, because you cannot be in that party and denounce things like that. They will kick you out for that. And so this is the problem. Like, if that is the hill that they're willing to die on, how are we supposed to reconcile that as people who more or less just want to be left alone? There's a saying, they often say, the old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born. And I'm like, I agree with that. You know, their view of it is it's a good thing that this new one world, you know, post-modern world is growing and developing.

And we view that as a bad thing. It's interesting. History will tell. It's written by the victors and we will see. I think based on what we've seen over the past couple of years, though, somebody posted a, there's a viral tweet. I'm sorry, I can't remember remember who posted it. But they were like, it's time to stop being blackpilled. We're winning. And they posted all of these things

that happened in the past like two months that are tremendous victories for liberty, personal responsibility, meritocracy. Elon Musk is a great example. Five years after Carl Benjamin was banned. He's back. It's crazy i'm like carl is uh one of the first culture warriors in the culture war and it's interesting if if back when he started making content calling out academia and intersectional feminism immediately political leaders were like we identify what he's saying and it's a problem it would have stopped in its tracks and we'd be in a very very different future 10 years on now what are we seeing five identify what he's saying and it's a problem, it would have stopped in its tracks and we'd be in a very, very different future 10 years on. Now, what are we seeing? Five years after he's back, Elon Musk's moves are all greatly beneficial to the causes of liberty and meritocracy and a

bunch of other things, mind you. It's not just those core principles or core ideologies or whatever, or whatever you want to call them. It's a lot of victory happening. So I think looking at the way things are going now, especially with abortion, for instance, the end result is obvious. One side is consistently saying have kids, have kids, have kids. The other side is saying we reserve the right not to. And I tweeted this. I tweeted Democrats are arguing for the right not to have children or grandchildren. And it was funny because the left thought that I was saying they shouldn't have that right. No, that's what they're, I'm like, I'm explaining this. This is what they want. Why argue against them? Why? Okay. Then don't have kids. See ya. In 20 years, our kids will

inherit the earth. That's just the reality. And it's not meant to be disrespectful. It's just the truth. Yeah. The history is actually completely on our side because any time in the 20th century, for example, that these people got a little bit too out of hand, started being really radical, being communist, there is always that sort of right-wing government that comes in and gets things more or less under control. And that's what they're afraid of. And also, we are like normal people. We are the stock of people that build civilizations, that builds countries.

These people, these wannabe leftist revolutionaries, the Antifa LARPers, these are people who are like fundamentally like in despair. They can't even make eye contact with baristas when they order a coffee. These people are not going to like run the country. They're not going to run the government. Even the people running it now are far less intelligent and far less competent than the people who ushered in the sort of totalitarianism that we have now. I've been thinking that, you know, like we had a, who said this the other day, that since Epstein died, everything's been falling apart? Darren Beatty. Darren Beatty said that.

That's a funny point. I'm like, that is a weird thing. And how about that? But I was thinking about, you know, I remember George H.W. Bush saying something like, we can now begin to see a new world order. And it's a reference to the liberal economic order that was created after World War II. We've talked about ad nauseum. The CFR has it on their website.

They talk all about it. They're NewsGuard certified, by the way. And that's an old system. They want a new system. And I thought about how is everything falling apart? How did Donald Trump win? And I'm like, oh, I get it. The children of these people are inept.

And it's obvious. They say that wealth lasts three generations. Someone who is hardworking builds it, has kids who did not work hard, who inherit it, who have children themselves, the grandkids, who have no idea how to even manage the money because they weren't taught by their grandfather, and then the money evaporates. The same is true for those that run the government. It's like three generations on and that ability to control the system is lost to them. Yeah. And you're seeing as things continue to decline,

all of these people just emerge from the woodwork. You know, Donald Trump, we love him. Blake Masters, Kerry Lake, all of these people who previously were not known to Republicans or conservatives, they're all like rising to the occasion and they're very talented. They're great candidates. They're good on the issues. And it almost recalls like the founding. I mean, I was talking with your driver on the way over about George Washington. They had to beg this guy to come lead the army. They had to beg him to come be the president. He was just like a wealthy aristocratic farmer. They had to beg him. And now he's like one of the greatest American, probably the greatest American of all time. And you're going to see that as things continue to decline, you're going to have Americans who

still exist. I mean, there are tens of millions of us. They're going to be like, you know what, I'm a very smart guy, I've been very successful in whatever practice I've chosen to pursue. But now is my time, and they're going to get involved in politics, and they are going to perform better than the people we have now, they're going to be far more popular. And I think that ultimately, we will make America great again. Things will also play themselves out, you know, a lot of the people who are chemically castrated, whether by choice or by circumstance of everything else around us that was instituted by the state, they're not going to be having children. The people who are going to be having children are the people who still

believe in families, still believe in marriages, still hopefully believe in having a future for this country. And those are the people that are going to be the future leaders of this country. So I have hope in that particular aspect, but then I also see a lot of the bigger problems. And this is, again, why I'm so kind of allergic to people calling for more state intervention, because just like the state could be used for some people's ideas of good, it could also be used for bad. But when you have a bigger state, you have the possibility of that pendulum swinging back even harder. I agree with that. In terms of the size of the state, if we're going to measure in like dollars, which I think is a pretty fair metric, in my ideal government, you know, it would be like one

tenth the size. I mean, there's so much waste, so much patronage, rewarding friend, things like that, so much waste. So the actual size of my government in terms of like how big it is in money would be significantly smaller in terms of how it's actually like affecting your day to day life also would be significantly smaller unless you're like a groomer or a communist or something like that. But you're not. You're very fine people.

You'll be fine. But this actually does vindicate your point earlier, too, about the alternative alternative school choices, because leftists don't reproduce by having kids. Leftists reproduce by grooming kids. So they infiltrate, whether it's like early education or even on social media now, and they try to poison children's minds into buying into all this ridiculousness. And these poor conservative parents, they actually believed, perhaps naively, but we understand it, that they could still send their kids to schools and they wouldn't become indoctrinated. And now you've got these poor dads having to like argue with their children about why they don't actually

own their minds and why, because, you know, if it's not the parents that own the minds of the child, it's going to be the state, as you mentioned. This is crazy to me. We've had people come here to the studio and be like, passively, we're talking. They'll be like, oh, yeah, you know, my kids, they're going to be home from college for the holiday. And I'm like, what?

Do you not listen to your own commentary? Like, how do you have kids in college? Well, they'll be fine. It depends on the school, though. I disagree. There are good schools out there. don't know i went to them which i know i mean christendom college is one of them francis name five university of stevenville five i'm kidding i'm kidding no i i disagree maria i think they're all bad i think they're just there are good catholic schools out there i don't know about the rest but i i know that they're all bad. I think they're just scams. There are good Catholic schools out there. I don't know about the rest, but I know that there are bright spots. Fair point, I suppose.

Then to clarify, I'm talking about people who are saying that their kids are going to like state universities and things like that. And I'm just like kind of shocked that they would come out and be like, look what's happening to these kids. And I'm like, bro, you're putting your kids in. A lot of them say like, oh, my kid is influencing the students around them. They're the influence. They're a good influence on the students around them. They're the influence. They're a good influence on the students around them,

and that's completely delusional. Didn't Jim Brewer do a bit about this for stand-up that went viral, where he was like, my daughter came back from college and was calling me like an evil white man or something like that? I believe that. I didn't see it. Probably. How insane.

Did you see the black supremacist that was speaking out against her father during the father's funeral yes that was disgusting that was shocking and that was terrifying to see the indoctrination where you know a child who was raised by a father that pretty much gave her everything gave her an ivy league education spent millions of dollars into making sure that she got the best education. That education turned to her during the funeral denouncing and calling out the father as a bigot and a horrible human being. And that's like the restructuring of values where now the dopamine that she got from that is worth more to her than loyalty to her family. And we saw this too during the Summer of Love. These poor dads in like middle America were getting exposed and canceled on

TikTok by their stupid daughters being like, he didn't post a black square. He's watching Fox News. He's racist. And they're just like, where did I go wrong? I feel so badly for those men. The dopamine from social media interactions that have an algorithm that prioritizes this, that incentivizes this, that I personally believe is controlled by the government, especially the DHS that has a hand in what people see and what they don't see. And I think this is all being done deliberately in my own personal opinion for my own assertions. John, you said you feel badly for those men, but it's like completely they've kind of wedded their daughters to the world in a way that I can't sympathize completely. You gave them a smartphone at 12 years old you sent them to public schools and you didn't

instill religious values in them or tell them that they're beautiful it's like what do you expect to happen i agree with that but i mean imagine like how children were being raised in like the 1920s 1930s you know the boomer generation really was the first generation to be like psyoped by television into rebelling from their parents i mean this whole idea of like oh they're a teenager they're rebelling from their parents. I mean, this whole idea of like, oh, they're a teenager, they're rebelling from their parents, that is very historically new. That is something that was really invented in the 20th century, because like you mentioned, they have an incentive to use technology to get into the minds of the youth and program them how they will. I feel bad in the sense that I really firmly believe that American men, men in the world should be able to not have to worry about if my child goes to the

same school as all these other people, if they do this, I think they should still be proactive in their child's lives. But I do think it's very sad how now they have to dedicate so much time that their fathers and grandfathers would not have had to dedicate to making sure that their child doesn't end up hating them and denouncing them at their funeral. Homeschool your kids yeah that's the you know uh become good at things read more develop a skill have a family homeschool your kids all of that stuff and uh that's the that's the that's the first thing you know clean up your own room before you try to change the world but then we focus on the ballot harvesting problem then we focus on the uh the ne. Then we focus on the neocon, you know, and the establishment problem.

And we just try to make everything gradually better. Every day, you will take a single step. And before you realize it, you'll have walked a thousand miles. That's what we got to do. Now we're going to go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button,

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chat about folks of the right conflating LGB trans pedos. I don't agree. Then I saw you trending and Matt Wall in Matt Walsh. That's right. And I saw the left doing the same thing. Don't stereotypes usually have an origin? So I was trending on Twitter. Matt Walsh was trending on Twitter more than me, mind you.

But Twitter said Matt Walsh trending in Tim Pool. Like, it's a weird way to phrase it. So I tweeted. I tweeted that. We'll talk about it on the member show. It was funny. Like it's a weird way to phrase it. So I tweeted that. We'll talk about it on the member show. It was funny. Matt was like, I am uncomfortable with this. I thought it was funny.

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what you said on twitter is absolute veritas thanks for what you do yeah i will stress this uh today i was researching and doing stories and uh as i started researching a particular story out of colorado i realized that people were avoiding the subject. And I was like, we should talk about this. And it's a scary thing to do. I'm getting death threats. You know, it is what it is. I don't really look for it.

And I don't care. But I have, like, people texting me. They're like, hey, did you know that people are threatening your life? And I'm like, oh, come on, bro. Like, is it danding with why? But thanks for the shout out. And I also had a, it's funny, like, Like it's a danding with why, but, uh, thanks for the shout out. And I also had, it's funny, like, like I mentioned some create, like some, some lefty guy, like calls me on the phone, all angry, but then I've also gotten messages from various people, uh, uh, independent libertarian types, anarchist types, and conservatives being

like, Hey man, keep doing your thing. As it is, we'll talk about it. I'll get into great detail on the members only show where we can really get into the nitty-gritty john curry says day e is pronounced day e okay well there we go thank you that's right james richard says twitter should be 100 free speech if proven you're not a bot i suppose but depends on how you define free speech to be honest some people say no to doxing yeah let's grab some super chats donald devol says tim do you know any of the ladies skateboarders in the music video dark necessities by the red hot chili peppers i've not seen it is that new i mean the answer is probably a maybe but uh whatever all right what do we got here kid truck says love john doyle well there you go

the guy who uh who loves john doyle there you are sword The guy who loves John Doyle. There you are. Sword and Scale says, Tim, Cenk Uygur called you a pedo on his show in front of 96,000 people. See Twitter. Please sue him for defamation immediately. Yeah, that's a maybe because it's like there's going to be anti-slap laws. And so it's just like, whatever, dude. Let him spiral out of control and say nonsense basically he said something like republicans are projecting and it's just like my guy i am not a catholic

i am not a conservative nor am i a republican it just so happens that independence two to one sided with republicans this time the funny thing is it's like he's talking about the church and the catholic church and all that stuff i I'm like, uh-huh, yes. Carry on as I agree with you on that being a problem and have never defended it. But in their minds, in the cult, if you are not in complete agreement with them, then you believe things that they, it's just weird. Like the guy who calls me, I'm like, I agree with you on these points. And it's like, oh.

What's interesting about that too is they don't talk about it in the public schools where it happens at a far higher rate than within the Catholic Church. And even when it does as a Catholic, when it does happen in the Catholic Church, it's not exactly a pedophilia problem in the way they want to frame it. It's more specific than that. And I'm sure we can get into that in the. Yeah, absolutely. My attitude is just like, bro, if you've got, you know, it was funny, too, because the guy on the phone was like, I've seen cheerleaders at football games. I'm like, that's a meme, my guy, like cheerleaders wearing skimpy shorts and everything. I also don't think kids should be around, but it's very different from someone like showing off their junk. But again, we'll get in

all this stuff. We'll get all this stuff. All right, let's see what we got. We'll grab some more superchats. Whoa, what do we have? Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, don't we want the petrodollar too? Interesting question. Let me ask you this, John. How do you feel? Do we want to maintain the petrodollar? In a more immediate sense, yes, because I don't think that any sort of collapse would be good for America. I think that would be ruled by like cartel warlords pretty quickly. But in a more long-term sense, we're probably going to have to find some sort of alternative. And there is almost something that does make me smile, the idea of like 40 years from now, my child or my grandchild might be attending some Chinese school and learning in

a Chinese class with an accurate history of the last 30 years of America, like no propaganda. And that might be very good in the sense that the truth will prevail. So I don't know. I think it'll be like 30 years, and you going to have like a child who's a young man, you know, chopping wood in the backyard, chiseled, fit, eating protein, mostly raising animals, and then telling stories to his young son. Like, you know, they used to just lay around all day and complain about stuff. Our sons are going to be best friends on the compound. They will tell in the gulag.

Yeah, they'll tell the tale of this great debate. They'll be breaking rocks. Remember when our dads were arguing about statism? This is like Lincoln. And then Luke's kid's going to be like, my dad was right. Jake Willis says, we have better companies than brick countries. Whether it is computers, apparel, tools, we can survive without petrodollar. I think so, too.

I think we're resilient. I think if the petrodollar did fall, this country would immediately start rapidly developing internal economics so i'm not really worried about it i say the night is always darkest before the dawn but the worst case scenario for us is that we're going to roll up our sleeves and get to work and we'll have a we'll have a good go of it i don't think like we're just going to all die or anything like that well it's going to fall eventually just like any kind of dollar civilization system it does naturally and it's going to fall eventually just like any kind of dollar civilization system it does naturally and it's just going to happen all right ian king says tim i'm a 28 machinist no college degree 30 an hour we have limited manufacturing in the u.s i work for the largest food packaging

equipment manufacturer crazy omegorosetsu says a smart libertarian to have on is Liberty Doll. Well, alright. I'll note that. Yeah, you know, I've had a lot of arguments with staunch libertarians, and you gotta find the smart ones, but I think the Mises Caucus guys, you notice they're very different from the older libertarian party. They took

it over, they changed, and so they have more in common, I think, with America First's conservative types so but we'll see man we'll see how things turn out augusto mimo she says helicopter libertarianism brutal kf says i cannot believe luke doesn't okay i'm not reading that one all right i'm curious wow I'm curious now, too. No, it's gone. I scrolled past it.

No. You don't want me to read it. You don't want me to read it. Let's see. Chase says, I don't know if you had John on your list before or after I suggested him, but it's been very gratifying seeing how your ideas and Luke's ideas and Mary's ideas interact with John's philosophy.

I agree. I think that was an excellent discussion. It was very interesting. Yeah. Joseph says, I'm watching a guy who thinks libertarians are bad. Real. I was going to ask, do you think they're bad? Well, I don't think they're bad. I think they're just misguided. You know, as Reagan said, the problem with our libertarian friends isn't that they're, what is it, uneducated. They just know so much that isn't true or something like that. Of course, paraphrasing his quote on liberals, but it's fundamentally the same. Libertarianism and progressivism are basically the same insofar as progressives are like, wouldn't it be great if everyone was equal? Okay, yeah, who's going to disagree with that? Libertarians, wouldn't it be

great if the government was smaller? It's like, okay, yeah, sure. I think it just misinterprets what the actual problems are. To be fair, the libertarian candidates were atrocious and horrible. But if you think libertarians are bad, wait until you find out about what statists are doing and what they've been doing throughout history. And what is Aleppo? Exactly. Do you remember that one? That one was horrible. Yeah, I don't know.

When I'm looking at, like, you know, I'm not looking at them as statists, I'm looking at them as like communists, you know? Like, George W. Bush was a statist. He's a neocon ronald reagan pretty good president arguably a statist i mean if you're like on the political why do you think reagan was a good president um i mean i think well i do actually think he was worse than a lot of conservatives want to give him credit for i do think it was good that he did try to actually wage a significant war on like affirmative action sort of the post-civil rights consensus in america i think that was good. I think he was also good for, you know,

the president's job as a cheerleader, but I don't think he was as good as a lot of- No-fault divorce. The NFA, yeah. He banned guns. America's an idea. I'm not the biggest Reagan fan, but- That's second term.

I think if you're gonna look at like the traditional political compass, which I know a lot of people take issue with, if you're leaning more towards the blue than the purple, I guess you're technically like a status, but that doesn't mean you're all the way at the top like a totalitarian so i think that there is a very important difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism and i think the reason that the media psyops people into thinking they're one in the same is because they know that the only legitimate challenge to leftist authoritarianism

is a competent right-wing government do you you want a monarchy? Oh, man. I think competent government is an oxymoron, though. I don't at all. Monarchy, no. Yeah, no, I think it's entirely who's staffing it. What's the form of government where you have a person who exercises control, but it can't be passed down? Successive monarchy?

No, that is literally passed down. There's no real simple answer to the problem like the idea of monarchy i think people romanticize because the the idea that you could have a philosopher king who has a vision and can run run the country properly with a long-term goal and improve everything for everybody i understand but then who's to say their kid has those values you know a lot of these a lot of these powerful individuals have dumb kids, and those kids do dumb things. So, like, a king has a son. The son is like, I'm in charge now.

We're going to burn all our steel down to make, you know, weapons or something, and then they can't farm. There was a very real effort from the kings and from the aristocracy to breed children who felt that same obligation and care for their people, which now is totally different because now the elites, because we have this free and fair democratic system, they feel no obligation to look after the lower classes of people. And in fact, they actually view them to be less educated and like basically they're off put by them, which I think is bad. And also with monarchy, it's at least easier to know who's in control.

There's no accountability in our democracy because nobody actually knows who's in charge there's no accountability in our democracy because nobody actually knows who's in charge we can dunk on brandon as much as we want nobody actually thinks he's pulling the strings and so it's like who's in charge it's this total shadow government where there's no accountability possible unless you can just vote for the right people then there's accountability i guess they're all on the same team the uniparty is real they fortify elections like there is no real solution i think i think biden's running the show you do i absolutely don't it's the seattle government so you look at what's going on uh politically and it's like whoever's in charge is running around like a chicken with their head cut

off right so the economy's in shambles they can't get their narratives straight the pullout afghanistan was ridiculous everything's in. They're dumping oil from the petroleum reserve. And I'm like, it doesn't seem like anyone's in control. Right. So it like I genuinely believe that it's a bunch of powerful elites sitting around too inept because they've inherited a system they can't control. And they're shrugging. So to put it simply, Biden is not in control because he's out of his out of his mind. And there's no one else with a cohesive vision of what's going on, so they're all just sitting there shrugging, and Kamala Harris goes out

and just speaks like an auto-text generator. What better way to blame your malice on incompetence, right? I think that's exactly what they're doing right now. Governments routinely blame their malice on incompetence. It's true. Yeah, but I mean, I guess the argument then is, do you think, okay, fair point. You know that, because they never apologize yeah with the open border if they were like oh man we really messed this up they would apologize but they don't that's how you know it is malice

and then it's also because all the staffers are like these you know 105 iq kids who drank their way through like george washington university and now they're like i'm gonna run the country and it's like okay all right illuminati confirmed says america has turned itself into a multinational state an empire you cannot have a cohesive society and a multinational empire yeah i think there's some nuance to that that needs to be broken down but on the surface i get what you're saying you you you sort of can but it's with an iron fist and it's it's unstable the ussr i think shows us shows us that. It gets too big. If you've ever played Civilization, you get it. Like, you know, the further away from your capital the cities are, the more corrupt they are and things like that.

It's just the way it is. You've got to send enforcers, and then who's going to enforce them? And it's just, eh. You can't do it, man. Let's grab a super chat. Arthamesia says, yo, Tim tim i did a video here on youtube over why you are trending today if i don't get banned for it people can find out easily here wish me luck good luck um the reason why i'm trending is multifaceted and it's not just about a single

tweet it's actually about a handful of them and a video i did and boy are they losing their minds yeah they've lost it um but i think it's because, you know, it's because I'm calling them out. I think they want two things. I think the far left wants violence, and I've been calling repeatedly for there to be none because it's ineffective and it's bad for us, and they want narrative control. So they can't have someone coming out saying, like, here's what they did, and there shouldn't be violence. They need, like, so I explain this to people.

The reason false flag attacks exist is because being the victim grants you political power. So what we need is to understand the rules, how they're being manipulated, ballot harvesting, where it's, and it's legal in most places to a certain degree. Even in Arizona, it's legal. You just got to be a certified caregiver. We need to compete on those grounds and then fix the system before everything falls apart. And we need to make sure that stupid people don't go crazy, and we need to make sure we stop people from being violent outright.

They don't like that. But we'll get into it. There's a lot. We'll show you all the examples. Okay, more super chats. Red Muskrat says, The problem with dissolving the federal government is the secret. Okay, more super chats. Red Muskrat says, the problem with dissolving the federal government is the secret programs.

Changed my mind. Yeah, you know what I think too? We sit here having these debates and we don't know what's, we don't know about a lot of the top secret and classified stuff that's going on. So it's almost like people standing outside a building arguing about how we should, you know,

fix the plumbing in the building that we've never seen yeah we have a general understanding of where the plumbing comes from we have a general understanding of the type of plumbing but inside who knows what they're stuffing down that drain it's probably a lot worse than we even know yep yep it's like it's like lucille ball when she was doing the uh the what was it the the chocolates or whatever and the thing goes out of control and she's shoving them in our face outside they're like we want to make sure we're running the machine like this and we shouldn't have these problems inside it's chaos yeah epstein island that's just scratching the surface we only know one percent of what actually was going on there so imagine what's really happening behind

the scenes yeah it'd be funny if like there's actually just it's it's it's so far beyond epstein he's like the mailroom guy. And whatever was happening was 100-fold worse. That's probably more likely than not, actually. Right. Absolutely. Like how they allowed that whole story to be covered in the first place. Like that's almost weird in a way. If it were really something that was going to indict them, they probably would have suppressed it more. I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein was a front, a shield for someone to store value,

to take a patsy, as it were. I mean, you think about how corporations work, right? A company, this is what they do in the entertainment industry. Every movie is its own corporation. None of the investors actually want any of that movie liability on them. Then the movie ends up making billions of dollars, but the company itself reports a massive loss, writing off its taxes, because it has to disperse the profits in a certain way or whatever. You don't think that these powerful elites that were gaming whatever

you know the system and and were working with epstein didn't plan for this so it's like you hear epstein he's probably the mailroom guy he was like was he like a high school teacher or something something like that and all of a sudden he started getting involved in finance a high school teacher tied into um what's his name? The father of the head of the, what was it? I can't believe I'm at a brain fart here. Come on.

The Dalt University, which was a prestigious university whose father was run by, I can't believe I'm blanking here. All right, well, anyway, my point is. The main guy investigating him under Trump, who was looking into him. Bill Barr? Bill Barr yeah bill barr's father gave him gave epstein his start at the at the adult so they go to this guy who's like a high school teacher or whatever and they say we want to

remove all liability from us you will live a comfortable life and you will be our front and our shield and he says whatever you say boss i'm just a nobody. And then, you know, they they use him to get away with everything they did. So ultimately, when he comes to his end and Maxwell is arrested, that's where the camera is pointed. Yeah. And then meanwhile, the powerful individuals who amass the wealth who control it, they're probably hiding off somewhere. And what's so funny about that is, like you said, everyone wants to pounce on the Oh, bad guy, you know, secret pedophile club. The more interesting story is that this guy was literally commissioned by other countries' intelligence agencies to collect this information on powerful people in the West. And so that's a very interesting rabbit hole to go

down and figure out who are these people? Why are they doing this? Who is on the client list? Why do we never find that out? What do we got here? Frederickerick von steen says luke you need to advocate against democracy and voting because to vote in an election you lend legitimacy and power to the state if you advocate for voting then you advocate for using state power doesn't michael malice argue that he says i'm not sure what malice says you can't you can't vote away my rights my rights aren't up for a vote and things like that. I do believe that local elections and local community efforts do actually matter. And I do believe the larger kind of elections are these kind of staged Fisher-Price play sets that people are convinced they're actually real when they're kind of scams.

It's also interesting because, I mean, you can say that you can't vote away my rights. They're my rights. Well, you know, people do it all the time. Like, what do you mean you can't? You can. And our understanding of rights in this country comes from God vote away my rights. They're my rights. Well, you know, people do it all the time. Like, what do you mean you can't? You can. And our understanding of rights in this country comes from God-given rights. And libertarians, from my experience at least,

are largely atheists. And they largely don't care about, you know, what our God, you know, Christian God would say. Right? Well, I should say God. I don't know about the native guys. And then it's interesting too, because the things that they want to classify

as their rights, things like abortion, things like same-sex marriage, those are things that the God who gave you those rights would clearly be completely opposed to in the first place. I'm being nitpicky here, but you can't vote away someone's rights. You can vote to infringe them. Yeah, sure. But that's just semantics, not to make a semantic argument. Ian wasn't here, so I had to do something.

Pick up the slack. All right. I Kefka says, Tim, does communism work on a small scale or does it only work because when one voice dissents, they exile or imprison them? Does it work on a small scale in our nation because voices of dissent can freely leave? I suppose what I mean to say is, well, yes, you're hitting the nail on the head. If you have like 50 people and they're like, we're going to form a commune, they are. There's a very small community of people who are very like minded, most likely who agreed

to come together in the first place. If you impose communism in a country, you've got millions of people who are like, I don't agree to this. And then what do you do with those people? Well, the Soviet Union figured it out. Yeah, bad things happen. What do we have here? Seve Rose says, John Doyle, you will never win over libertarians and anarchists as long

as you think anyone outside the RD binary is too stoned to respect for their views. You sound too stoned to comprehend what I was saying. I'm not trying to do that now. You know, it's like, oh, you're never going to win me over, man. It's like, okay, well, you guys are an insignificant proportion of the population. Frankly, you have like 50 million white people who didn't vote in 2020. You can appeal to those people by focusing on issues that we win with independence, things like immigration, things like being tough on crime, which also went over a significant proportion of non-white voters, more so than like what Trump tried to do, frankly, which is pandering to them with things like, oh, we're going to be softer on crime.

We're going to let convicted criminals out of prison, things like that, trying to pander to what people like Jared Kushner tell him is good policy. So we don't need the libertarian vote. We're going to make America great again with or without you, and you'll be better off for it. Some people would argue that the libertarian anarchist vote is the vote of the people who are not, you know, into the political system. And if you look at the people, especially in this last midterm election, it's the people who are watching, not participating, that are the biggest anarchists, I would argue, you know, because only 100 million people, around 100 million people voted in the midterm elections.

You know, majority of people didn't. So that's the base you want to go after if you want to win. I think it is because they have watched our political system fail to stop people from doing bad things. And so they're just like, what do I get? What has the Republican Party given to me for my years of loyalty to them? Like, I'm done with it. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people lost faith in the political system, making them kind of quasi-anarchist.

Yeah. I don't think that's because they're mad that the political system was, like, being too intrusive in their day-to-day lives. I think it's because they're just like, oh, this is just, like, completely failing to actually wield power to stop enemies from, like— Yeah, I don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils. I don't want evil. I'm not voting.

I don't want to be a part of this. That's a lot of people in America. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we got them, says Ben Franklin said, only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. This is why you can't just give someone freedom. They need responsibility first that responsibility should come from you know

either either god or family and uh from personal decisions it's tough you know there's no simple answer um you need a well-informed uh philosophically and morally educated population and i think there are a lot of people that want to strip all of that understanding away from the population to make them docile and easier to control. That's what they get. All right. Steve Graves Radio says, hello, fellow dissenters of the establishment narrative. I need your help battling the YouTube suppression. Need more exposure at the radio show. Thanks. Steve Graves Radio. Thanks for the super chat, Steve Graves. That was a big one. We appreciate it. And shout out to Steve Graves. Thanks, man. What do we have? Oh,ve grave that was a big one we appreciate it and uh and shout out to steve graves yeah thanks man what do we have oh man this is a good one richard adams says government is 40 of gdp but that just means they're taking your money literally well modern

monetary policy is them just printing and spending money and then taking more of your money yeah but that's to to suppress like um it'sity. Like the modern monetary theory point of taxation is to control hyperinflation. They don't need to spend your dollars. They're printing them whenever they want. But they want to control the flow. So increasing and decreasing taxes is more about how much control they have over the monetary flow. All right. Let's get some more here christian roland says it's been a while a while since i've

had a host that represents absolutely everything that me as an independent despises of conservatives not so different from the left he just wants to impose his view yeah you know i'm referring to you yeah and i i get this a lot like you're just like the left you want to impose your morality on me and it's like yeah there's such a thing as morality you know the left. You want to impose your morality on me. And it's like, yeah, there's such a thing as morality. You know, the left wants to impose upon you things that are immoral. I'm trying to impose upon you things that are moral. If I were king of America, this place would become a measurably better place. That's just a fact. Anyone who isn't because of people like John Doyle talking on the internet. It's because of your leadership class failing to stop those people, which is why the bad people have been allowed to dictate what morality is in this country. So if you don't believe in morality, that's fine. But the Constitution wasn't written for you, big guy. When Thomas Jefferson, who was probably the most liberal founding father, was governor of Virginia, he equated sodomy, which is when two men try to,

that was the equivalent of like rape i mean these people were very i'm sorry it's it's it's it's it could be with a woman too any form of sodomy uh sodomy refers to anything other than um traditional yes okay you know uh my my inclination is to think that that would disproportionately target a particular demographic but the point is finding fathers talk about on the membership it's interesting concept very socially conservative they would have been uh definitely more on my side if they saw that the way things were going you got mary's vote uh but but my response in short no kings no slaves all right where were we at um carlo magno tv says fundamentalism was the best government in civilization too. That's correct. You got a powerful unit called the fundamentalist.

You had almost no corruption. People tithed to the government. So taxation was through the roof. You've played civilization? Oh, yeah. Amazing game. I think it should be mandatory in schools. Well, I think people should homeschool their kids.

But I think you should have your kids play this game. Not only does it teach history. The latest version has powerful quotes throughout history. as you're building cities you build wonders and so when i was little and i'm playing civ 2 i learned all about the stuff the manhattan project the pyramids the hanging gardens chichen itza all these things because i'm playing this game trying to like you know build my civilization or whatever but uh man do you really understand corruption and like taxes and i'm, why are my people protesting? My cities are in disarray.

What's happening? And then I'm like, fundamentalist government. Everyone becomes religious and then it all stops. There's no corruption. There's no, there's no protest. I would sooner trust like some autistic teenager who has like a thousand hours on steam with like Civ 5 to run the country than I would like someone with like a master's in public policy.

Agreed. Totally. I'm with you. I want a cat or a dog to be in charged like in alaska there you go man there's a bunch of towns that do that all right my friends if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button right now share the show with your friends and become a member at timcast.com because we're going to have a very powerful important conversation in the members only show where we talk about uh the what's been going on in this country and where we're at with escalation, why I was trending and, you know, death threats and things like that.

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