Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #666 Trump REFUSES To Denounce Fuentes, Tim Has New Details About Ye Show w/Michael Malice

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

Tim, Ian, Luke, & Serge join Michael Malice to discuss new details about Kanye's sudden departure from Timcast IRL, Balenciaga deleting its social media accounts after child photoshoot backlash, Elon releasing Twitter's internal documents that will prove censorship, Google calling Tim Pool to ask for his support with Section 230, and the elites fear of the power that Twitter has. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

you know to be completely honest uh what is this someone so luke's already playing audio all right to be completely honest i don't like being the subject of the news story as much as people try to claim that they're like oh he was trying to get attention or whatever you know we wanted to have we had an opportunity we thought we were lucky to have several people on the show who were in the news because even right now, Mitch McConnell's coming out. You've got, uh, Pierce Morgan coming out stories about Donald Trump refusing to denounce Nick Fuentes because he doesn't want to alienate voters. This is the dominant story. And it's unfortunate. We weren't able to actually talk about the news, but we have a lot of details to go through stuff. I talked about in the morning, new details that have emerged now

that they had a private plane ready for them after they left the show, which it's entirely possible they were able to to get a private plane very, very quickly. But it also seems very, very rare and unlikely. But again, I'm not I don't want to accuse them of anything. I think it's possible that they had this planned. They've been adamant they didn't plan this. And I think it worked out very well for somebody who wanted revenge on Trump, considering the news cycle. So we'll talk about that, plus what's been going on outside of that. And of course, we'll talk about censorship and Elon Musk.

Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work. We will have a members-only uncensored show for you tonight. We didn't have one yesterday because, you know, we had Yehan and he left. And I'll say it again. Dude doesn't owe me anything. If he wants to leave, so be it. Nobody has to stick around on the show. They can always bail on me. That's the way it goes. Dude's a powerful billionaire or former billionaire, whatever you want to call him. The last thing he needs to sit here and have me talk about whatever. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends. Joining

us to apologize is our good friend i'll just throw it to you tim i'm sorry i left the show yesterday it was a complete apology and i was very wrong and i'll be back whenever you like vote for me in 2024 okay how was that i was okay i guess well i didn't want to be too you know edgy no because then i wouldn't want to steal roles from black actors oh yeah yeah i don't want to get in the hullabaloo situation oh right right so you're michael malice i am michael malice yes shalom i'm here representing zog okay what do you do thanks for coming man i think most people know who you are oh okay uh what's your biggest claim to fame i am the organizer of the anarchist handbook you guys can get the hard covers at anarchist handbook dot um big cartel

dot com and i was on a billboard because of you guys that's right in times square and my next book oh this is the big news before we get into this stuff i finished my next book the white pill yesterday i'm uploading it to Amazon Thursday, I think. And we're going to launch it live on Timcast and see if we can get a book to number one on Amazon live and make internet history. That'd be cool. You're self-publishing? Yeah. That's awesome.

Why go through... Make Michael Malice the number one Amazon... I hit number three. This hit number three. So hopefully we can hit number one. Very cool, man. Well, how do you describe yourself for those who aren't familiar with you?

I am an anarchist without adjectives. I have a podcast called You're Welcome, Twitter, Douche, and lover of all peoples. Well, okay. Right on. We got Luke hanging out. I think I'm supposed to say

Shalom Assalamualaikum, right? I think that's what I'm supposed to say shalom. Assalamu alaikum, right? I think that's what I'm supposed to say there. Hi there. My name is Luke Rudowsky here of wearechange.org. And today I have a t-shirt of Klaus Schwab. I thought I was supposed to be the Jewish one. Make them shekels, buddy. Of Klaus Schwab saying that you will get no presents and you will be happy, which you could exclusively get on the best political shirts

dot com because you guys do that that's one of the main reasons why i am here thank you again so much for supporting me the best political shirts dot com ian i i'm sorry you're perturbed your crystals have been disturbed i told nick i told nick i was like hey man they have lsd on them and then and then he was like joking and then like five minutes he was like joking. And then like five minutes later, he was like, hey, really? I was like, yeah. But then Milo came down and he just like got high on LSD. Milo, you like LSD, Milo? No, I think your brain is broken. I like those guys.

That was a chaotic situation last night. I hope that we get a chance to talk to them in the future and kind of figure out, you know, like I was saying last night, they're like, Ian, would you have them back on? And I'm like, yeah, I'm the kind of guy where they're like why would you interview the devil crossland and i'm like because people keep saying he's evil i want to know why he's also the devil's gonna be pretty charismatic let's talk about this this is actually a good thing to get into like hosting them what people were saying your thoughts and everything so we'll get into it and before we do i want to point out yes you're welcome michael malice show uh i don't know youtube and do you run it through any portals on your website or anything at this point no just it just it's on YouTube. It's on Spotify.

It's on Rumble. It's on Odyssey. I was on an episode. If you guys haven't seen it, it was excellent. Michael's a great interviewer. It was a lot of fun. Very fun. And I haven't seen you since then, so.

That's true. Good to see you, buddy. You look good. Thank you. We got Surge hanging out. Hey, low energy Surge Dupree. What's up, everybody? How you doing, YouTube?

Take it away, Tim. Let's talk about Surge. My bar is Surge. Very weak, very low energy. I do want to mention one quick thing, too. I had a phone call with Google today. They're panicking over Section 230 reform. The Supreme Court has agreed to take up a case pertaining to recommendations.

And so YouTube is now actively lobbying prominent creators, I suppose. I got an email, and it asked me to sign up for a certain date to talk to their head of policy. He's very nice. But I was personally offended at the things that he was saying. So I'm not trying to be mean to the guy. We're going to talk again probably tomorrow. But it seemed like they were trying to lobby me to agree that YouTube should have the right

to be politically biased and be immune from defamation, which I absolutely do not. So we'll talk about that too, but we got to get into this stuff. So here's the first story. Many of you may have seen what happened last night on this show. And I have concerns that we had Ye, Fuentes, and Milo on the show. A lot of people messaged me beforehand saying, why are you having them on? What they're using you. They have an agenda. And I'm and this is who's they who's they? No, no, no. But listen, listen, they say they say they as in general people messaging me.

They're using you, Tim. They're using you. And I said for all of them, why do you think people come on this show? Do you think they're coming on because they love me and they want to hold my hand and smile and look at my face? Or do you think they're trying to promote a book? Do you think they're trying to get a message out? They're trying to promote their Twitter accounts. They have ideas they want to hold my hand and smile and look at my face or do you think they're trying to promote a book do you think they're trying to get a message out they're trying to promote their twitter accounts they have ideas they want to share of course everyone's using everybody i

have guests on so we can make an interesting show it's our business they come on because it's an opportunity for them to to share or sell or whatever i thought we were friends think again that's that's my we're only having you on because you make us laugh. OK, I guess I'm a clown. So here's here's what I want to say, because right now there's a lot of stories. You know, Trump is being told that he's got to denounce these guys. There was a story that popped up on Fox, Fox five. Kanye West spotted in Frederick after storming off of podcast. Here's the potential scenario.

To be fair, the scenario is they abruptly left the show. They were on it. Ye didn't like that I was not agreeing with him or that I was pushing back in any capacity, got up and stormed off. Milo and Nick, working for Ye, wouldn't stick around and left. Immediately, they called a charter company to schedule a private plane who was very, very, they were very lucky that a hot crew it's what they're on the ground ready to go was available nearby and was able to then dispatch a plane to Frederick that they could then get into within a couple hours notice entirely possible. My personal opinion, that sounds really, really crazy if that's the case. So when I, when, when they stormed off the show, my, my first thought was that, um, like, OK, he's done with the show. Then we talked about it and I said it was the perfect thing to do if you want

to generate press. There's a story going around that Donald Trump met with Nick Fuentes, an anti semi white supremacist. That was all last week. First day, first thing this week, we have this show. And I think it was the first thing Nick said on the show was that something about it, isn't it really them? And then immediately Ye gets up and walks out downstairs, smile on his face, eating cookies. Apparently, one of our guys here said that when they were leaving, he said something like, I came, did the show, got what I needed. Now I'm done. I'm leaving. And so that made me wonder about what was the goal. It's possible. Maybe I'm just thinking too much into it that Milo wanted revenge on Trump. Milo was quoted as saying he invited Nick because he knew Trump would mishandle it in the press. He wanted to make Trump's life Trump's life miserable. Trump is mishandling it in the press. out of Nick's mouth was, but isn't it them? And then Ye leaves right around the half an hour mark when we're at 100,000 concurrent viewers.

And that said to me, they had to have planned this. Then I saw the video of them going to the Frederick Airport, boarding what appears to be a super mid private jet right after the show, within a few hours. And I was like, how did they charter a private jet that fast? It is entirely possible they did. I know where the jet originated. We did some sleuthing to figure it out. What happened was about a half an hour's flight time away, a hot crew, this is what I'm told. It is entirely possible. These are by the experts in

the private aviation. A hot crew was available. I'm sorry. What they said was a plane nearby flew to Frederick, landed for about an hour, and then departed with them. It is entirely possible that they happened upon what's called they're trying to arrest him and shut him down and silence him and censor him. But apparently he was able to get within two hours notice a super mid private jet to fly from here to Los Angeles with a crew active. I don't know what happened, but to me it sounds staged. It sounds like they knew in advance they'd be leaving. At least Ye may have. That's not the vibe I got. I got that they seemed very genuine when they were here.

I know Milo. I mean, he's a zany dude, but he's looking for redemption. That's his path right now. And Kanye is grasping at straws to try and find someone to help him. And Nick was so kind the entire time he was here like i've heard stuff about him i've seen him say stuff online out of context that's racist but when you see him eyes to eyes like the guy is looking for friends like he doesn't probably has been lived in an environment where he didn't have a lot of friends so when you what happened

was you and kanye were going back and forth and kind of interrupting each other you mentioned at one point tim you were holding your finger up indicating you want to jump in and he was like before the show and he's like you you want to jump in. And he was like, oh. Before the show. And he's like, you want to say something? Go for it. Before the show. Yeah.

And even during the show. So as soon as the show started, his demeanor changed. So you guys were kind of had an agreement. Like we're going to kind of talk over each other. We're going to flow. But then when Nick chimed in and you interrupted Nick, Kanye's face dropped and then he got out.

He was like, you crossed the line. When you interrupt me, that's okay. When you interrupt Nick, I'm out. Before the show, when we're doing pre-show and setting up it was so different kanye said yay i'm sorry said a few things i pushed back and he just had a smile on his face and he's nodding along like whatever the show comes on and all of a sudden he's like we went to trump's dinner i was invited first i called milo so anyway let's talk about anti-semitism and i'm like whoa like we were

just talking before the show. You know what happened? The first article. No, he knew what the article was. We had the article pulled up pre-show. He mentioned Pence. He asked Fuentes about Pence and what Trump. I said, we'll use this story to launch the dinner and the controversy caused by it. And I'll ask you about how this dinner came to be.

What do you think about it? What happened with it? And then what is Yay 24? And I was like, who am I kidding? We're going to get into the anti-Semitism stuff. I'm going to push back. Here's how it'll play out. Like, I'm going to, if you guys want to say something,

I'm going to put my hand up and let you know, I'm going to, I'm going to talk about this. And they're like, of course, no problem. Absolutely fine. And then as soon as the show started, all of a sudden it was like, oh, how dare you bring up this article? Oh my.

Here's what I don't understand about that dinner. That doesn't make sense to me. You do not get a plus three to meet with the president. I don't care who you are. That is not, Piers Morgan had a piece today that he, you know, he won The Apprentice. He was, I think, the first winner of The Celebrity Apprentice.

He was interviewing Trump at Mar-a-Lago. The Secret Service, you know, basically gives you an anal swab if you're going to meet a former president, especially if you're dealing at Mar-a-Lago, which not that long ago was raided because there were concerns about things that are classified or whatever top secret so on and so forth i don't understand how if you're running for president and this is the scenario in your home you're going to have dinner with someone

anyone and be like oh yeah you know bring bring your buddies and not be paranoid even just for security reasons. Who are these people? Are they spies? Are they so on and so forth? I don't understand that. We struggle with this here. When we're bringing people in,

we have to be, we have to send this big, long-winded email about who's allowed here, what this means, vetted by you, stuff like that. Now, I wouldn't say it's like

we're that strict where we- But you're not the president. Exactly. You're not a former president. It it's absolutely beggars believe and the other thing is like jen kwiger had a tweet about like this isn't a surprise this is who trump hangs out with white supremacists it's like when someone's the president you know exactly who they're hanging out with you know every minute of their day with who they're having for dinner and so on and so forth it's not a big secret their their their schedule is very public and very known. And it's a very big

deal. This is the president of the United States, in this case, the foreign president of the United States. So what Trump is saying does not cut ice with me. And what else is crazier to me, in all seriousness, his daughter converted to Judaism, right? So this is something that obviously, and I think one of his other kids married a Jewish woman. So he, the joke is like, what's the difference between a New York Times reader and Donald Trump? Donald Trump's grandchildren are gonna be Jewish. It's like, if he has this in his family,

for him to be like, well, oops, I didn't know, that's just confusing. You think he just trusted Kanye and was like, if you wanna bring whoever, I know you. But why would you trust, but he just, I think, first of all, he has this boner for celebrities that is really demented because that explains why he's endorsing Dr. Oz, who believed Jussie Smollett, who was for trans kids' surgeries, who had the whole laundry list of very lefty ideas. Herschel Walker, who's just a football star for Senate.

The love affair Donald Trump has for people who are blue checks is demented. I want to I want to I think Ian's right about one thing that this guy's looking for friends. I can't speak to the things that any of them have said in the past. Like what I should say is like, obviously, they've said deplorable things, testable things. But what I genuinely believe is we had Milo on this show a couple weeks ago, and he talked about supporting Trump. He talked about vengeance. He wasn't talking about this stuff. His focus was different.

Then he gets involved with Ye, brings in Fuentes, and now all of a sudden this is like a particular component of his career or his personality. What I think happens is when you cancel people, they go in the only direction they can. Wait, I can disagree because I have receipts from Milo because when this all came out, I wrote a book about this. There's a chapter about Milo in my book on the new right.

I think Milo is very, very charming. He's very, very witty. He's certainly very intelligent. And of all the people who got canceled, the reason he got canceled, I think, was one of the more BS reasons. He was the victim of childhood abuse. He spoke out about it in a kind of tongue-in-cheek manner. I don't begrudge anyone who's suffered through something like that

how they should deal with the situation. And he was basically saying things like, okay, you know, this is something that I'm, he was kind of rationalizing it. Like, I'm glad this happened to me at a young age as opposed to being like, holy crap, you know, I got my innocence taken from me at a time when it shouldn't have. So I think the fact that he was just like, you know, get out,

like everything's ruined for you because of something that had been done to him where he was innocent as a kid or teenager, I thought was really kind of over the top. And clearly it was like Al Capone going to jail because of income taxes. It really wasn't income taxes. There's no excuse to get rid of him.

But he did an article a couple of years ago with the Jewish Journal because when this all came out, I'm like, I thought Milo was Jewish because I remember this being a thing at the time when he pushed back about the Nazis about this. I sent the, hold on, let me pull it up. I got the DM here.

And here's the article from the Jewish Journal. This is from 2019. And he was talking about this then. Because this is with the Jewish Journal. And he had said, I'm quoting Milo here. Let me get it out. He goes, he thinks the Jewish community, the Jewish lobby would be well served to not throw a gas gasket every time someone throws out what it may appear to be an anti-Semitic trope. And he says, this is quoting Milo, just like I don't like left wing political

correctness about women and blacks and Muslims. I don't like right wing political correctness about Jews in Israel. So and he said, people claim that really stupid things are anti-Semitic that are not really anti-Semitic, or they make more of a fuss about it than they need to. So at a certain point, he has been addressing this at least 2019, so three years ago. What I mean to say is, if these guys were given an opportunity, obviously it would never happen, but if you went to any one of these guys and said, we want you to be a brand ambassador for a big company that's making a lot of money, but you've got to stay away from these subjects, they'd say yes.

Yeah, probably. I think what happens is when people get love bombed you'll get somebody who like starts getting a bunch of tweets where they're like hey i like what you're saying keep saying more of it and then they're going to start feeling good they're going to be like oh i'm getting all this attention building followers and then some people are just going to say like, these are people supporting me and I'm going to side with them. But there's an inverse to that. When you ban someone and they have nowhere to go and they can't get redemption, they will go to whoever is willing to accept them.

And on top of just the love bombs, it's the financial incentive. Because if people are getting paid because they have a following, now they're getting ad revenue or they're getting direct subscriptions, no matter what they're saying. If they're saying really cruel, evil things and they're getting paid for it um that's free speech but also that can incentivize the continuation of the behavior and it's kind of tough to dig out especially if you get canceled you're like well the only people that pay me are these people and they only watch me because of this content so let's do more of that when you get canceled when you get censored you get sent off to the far corners of the internet where a lot of people get radicalized.

And people need to understand bad ideas need to be fought with good ideas. And we don't have this battle of ideas. We never had this battle of ideas, mainly because of centralized controllers, big tech intervening and saying, no, we don't like what you're saying. We don't like your political stance. Be gone. And then those ideas are never routinely challenged, routinely questioned. There's no pushback against them.

And only in places where they fester and grow are these kind of larger elements that, again, never see the light of public day. And I think this is why we need to debate. We need to argue. We need to, of course, create steel man arguments and question question and debate everything this is another takeaway i had from last night i love the youtube as a as a platform i've loved this since steve chen and and chad hurley built the thing and the third guy who i don't know the name of sorry dude uh and but last night conversation was not a conversation for youtube in its current state if you guys want to fix up your terms of service into a more free speech oriented thing it would be but when we have people on that there's a chance they might

violate the terms of service of the platform, we got to go to another platform because we need to let those guys speak. Those people need to speak. And then let them, because if Kanye had went on for 30 minutes and then Nick responded for 20 minutes and they said all sorts of offensive things that YouTube would have stopped, we'd have a chance to rebut and talk about it and come to some sort of consensus that ideally we would all come out of better people from michael's got this look on his face well i i mean i i think the problem is whenever like let's look at um like let's look say something that's radioactive in a different way the recent ad campaign about balenciaga right so if you're going to have people talking about the pros and cons of balenciaga you can send them ads where

they had those kids with the teddy bears and bondage, and I want to use words carefully, I can see how a corporation would be like, you know what, we're trying to have a certain image and have a certain platform, and there's certain things that are going to be beyond the pale here. Because they have to be worrying about their advertisers. I'm okay with that.

The power of corporate America is just absolutely enormous. There was another story about valenciaga they had done similar ad campaigns and people are saying there's no way that that slipped like there's no way they produce an ad and didn't know what they were producing i i think there's absolutely a way because this is how because i think we all we forget how dumb suits are so all it would take would be one uh um art director and then for him to be like look it's arty it's edgy the kids were not being shown themselves in any kind of uh provocative or state of um uh undress they were just showing iconography which is very different from like

maplethorpe who's in museums where you're showing full frontal on little girls which got funding which oh yeah oh you don't know about the Mapplethorpe thing? This, oh, this, oh, this is, this is another example of how the corporate press is just completely dishonest. If you look at articles, Mapplethorpe had funding from the NEA, right? The National Endowment for the Arts. And he was this great photographer.

A lot of the photography he was taking was very, very transgressive. It would be like two men. One has a whip somewhere. Another one with the razor on his, you know what? And he had, and then Jesse Helms, who was Senator at the time, says this is not where our money should be going to.

And he was condemned as homophobic. Well, many of these images were literally child pornography. There's one of a little girl with her knee up flashing her genitals to the camera. But if you read any USA Today, Washington Post article, it really just sounds like you've got two guys kissing and Jesse Helms, the homophobe,

has a problem with it. So it's completely skewed. Just let me finish. So in terms of Balenciaga, if you look at it, you could be like, oh, it's kids with teddy bears. It's like they're punks. You know, you got this badass thing. You're not going to really read, oh, here's the printout of this lawsuit.

Here's what this book entails, so on and so forth. I disagree. I don't think it suits missing it. I think the messaging was clear. There's a history of it. And I think there's a reason Balenciaga deleted their Instagram, deleted their Twitter,

because people were picking up on more and more and more signs. There's no way that you could see that image and be like, yeah, totally fine, totally okay. There's no way. It was so blatant. It was so in our face. And there was multiple instances.

More than once. Multiple times where it's just extremely troublesome and for an executive to look at it and say oh teddy bears bdsm dolls yeah yeah babies laying down in in precarious ways oh yeah the tape here or this case there's no way they missed it i think it was a deliberate sign to just brag about what they were doing when you look at when you look at the fashion, they have a long history of being... Let me just finish really quickly. They have a long history of having a lot of Jeffrey Epstein types.

Jeffrey Epstein was all in the fashion industry. And a lot of the other individuals that were on that client list are still in the fashion industry, were never held responsible for their crimes. And whether it's running Victoria's Secret secret sending out this messaging this messaging is not something that is an accident because they've been doing it for many years trying to normalize children as models and a lot of the female models look like young boys i don't think that's an accident i think a lot of this is on purpose because there's a lot of very dark sinister people in that industry that want to gloat and highlight how bad they are and that want to gloat and highlight

how bad they are and they want to get away with it and this was this representation from what i saw i'm not disagreeing with anything you said what i'm saying is it's not that they missed it it's that the suit was like this isn't my job uh you have a photographer that photographer has a brand name i'm just the guy the money guy i'm gonna let him do what he wants it's not my place to jump in and reject and basically in industry, these people who have brand names like Balenciaga is a brand name can basically have free reign to do whatever the heck they want.

They spend millions of dollars on these fashion shoots. And it worked for them. Going over every little detail. I mean, the president of the United States literally decides what kind of tie he wants to set a particular mood, to have the particular background.

There's no way they're spending millions of dollars on these fashion shoots and not micromanaging every little small element of it. You're not hearing what I'm saying. What I'm saying is- I don't think it's a suit. I think it was deliberately done. And I think the suits were complicit in it.

Okay. I think a lot of times in big corporations, the responsibility is very much disjointed. And one hand is not knowing what the other hand is doing. And I think the reason- Wait, hold on. The reason why the social media got pulled is because then someone realized, holy crap.

Otherwise they would have left it up because they're like, this has been going on for a long time. We got to do an analysis to figure out when this started, how many of these iterations are there. So you think people were like seeding this information into the ad campaigns? Oh, they definitely were. It's not even a question.

It's everywhere in our entertainment, especially if you look at Disney, especially if you look at the subliminal subconscious mind control, which I particularly call it, and the larger kind of horrible behavior that a lot of powerful people inside of the government were committing especially when they were going to that private island and doing absolutely horrible things to children that they kidnapped if you look at the cover of the dvd for the little mermaid if you look at the scene in aladdin where they're getting married in the scene in aladdin the priest is excited let me just put it that way if you look at the background of the little mermaid one of the towers looks like a certain thing of a male anatomy.

My point is a lot of times these artists will put things that the suit will be oblivious to. That's all. And that's one example where you're not going to disagree. Wasn't there a movie, The Great Mouse Detective or something, where there was like an actual, they put like porn somewhere in it or something like that? People chatted this to us before.

There's a bunch of adult content and wieners all throughout, you know, content for small children. And I think when it comes to these particular cases, we know so little because a lot of this is done in secrecy. We shouldn't be excusing it as an accident. We should always, with the absence of evidence, when we see very sinister people who have a history of hurting small children,

always think the worst case possible scenario and demand more evidence and i think excusing excusing it as oh the suits just missed it is is an instant or element i'm sorry if i if i got your argument wrong but i don't i'm saying the suits just missed it i said in very many cases because how these people work is they will get things past the goalie because the people who are looking don't know what to look for and are oblivious to it and in fact the fact that this has been going up hold on ian uh luke's going sorry sorry the fact that this has been going on for so long and has only been picked up now speaks to the point that i'm making that they're very good at getting things on a subliminal level that people aren't going to register so if you have

balenciaga ads and you have literally tens of thousands of people seeing these ads and they're only getting picked up now, that just speaks to my point that a lot of times the money guy or the accountant or whoever is kind of signing off on this,

they're not going to always be aware of what they're seeing. I don't mind being compared to Ian. I think Ian's great. But at the same time, never excuse. No one's excusing anything. I know. Never try to blame something that

could be construed as an accident when it could be malice. That's backwards. Hold on, hold on. Sorry, sorry. Explain it, Tim. Hanlon's razor is the opposite. Would prove malice... Would suggest malice is right. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. Yes. Thank you. You said that a lot better than I did. But that would Malice that which can be explained by incompetence. Thank you.

You said that a lot better than I did. But that would imply that Malice's argument is more likely true. I would just say one point on this. I agree a bit with you, Michael. And I'm not trying to argue with either of you. I think someone intentionally did this and intentionally did it for a long time.

No question. And there are people who are supposed to be gatekeepers. Right. If hundreds of thousands or millions of ad viewers didn't even notice this, it's possible that

the gatekeepers of these companies don't notice this stuff either, but someone is intentionally doing it and sneaking it through. If you look at Hollywood history, there were a lot of gay references that were meant there for gay audiences,

whereas the straight people watching this and the executives would be completely oblivious. And there's college courses about this where they go back and deconstruct these old movies. The higher you go up in a lot of these bigger institutions, especially corporations, the more likelihood that there's going to be a sociopath in them. Yes. So on that assessment and in the absence of evidence, I'm going to assume the worst, mainly because I know what they're capable of. And I think we should, from a point of view,

not excusing their behavior, but at the same time saying, hey, they have a long history here. Let's get the evidence here because they probably are doing some of the most awful, sinister, horrible things that you can't even fathom and imagine yourself. You're talking to me. Who are you perceiving as excusing this behavior? No, no, no. I'm saying the suits that just were not aware of it. But that's not an excuse. That's an explanation. If you're signing off on something.

But that allows them, but that gives them a way to say, oh, we just didn't know. Yes, absolutely. We didn't know. We just didn't see this happening. I don't want to even give them that. But I think where you and I disagree, let's take away from Balenciaga, is if you look at, let's suppose, the Senate, right, or politicians, a lot of these people in power are not very bright. And a lot of times it's their staffs that are doing these malevolent things and are putting things over in the American people, things in terms of war. And that's one of the reasons why I'm so hopeful is because when you look at the people who tend to be in power they're really often very unimpressive yeah i i think they they use that as a way to cover

their larger actions you think biden knows what the hell is going on um absolutely not he's a puppet and i think there's there's there's bigger controllers and there's bigger interest right behind them okay sorry well it sounds like you guys are both right it was both malice and incompetence at some level people were maliciously putting child i say 100 malice and incompetence. At some level, people were maliciously putting child porn in. I say 100% malice. I did it. Zero incompetence. I did it. I got away with it, and I'll do it again.

This is an interesting conversation. I used to call them minor attracted people because I'm like, well, I want to be sensitive about this whatever, this delusion or whatever. And now I'm like, okay, pedophile. But the thing about pedophile is there's a big difference between a 20-year-old and a 17-year-old hooking up consensually and a 25-year-old and a 9-year-old getting it on when the 9-year-old doesn't know what's happening. But Ian, Ian, that's just, with all due respect.

But they're both considered pedophiles. No, they're not. Well, I mean, if one's a consensual statutory rape. No. Okay, listen, Ian. There's something called Romeo and Juliet laws. Yes. Okay, then like 15 years old or 16 years old, wherever it's not legal in the state.

And then there's another word for that, I guess. What, a pedophile? I guess. I don't know. Whenever you see that word written on the internet run away from the hills exactly you're like it i get at that point it's like it doesn't matter my point is if if two young people are within three three or four years of age many states say that's that's protected depending like i think in in some of the states they have these like like 13 is the limit or 14 is the limit so basically between 14 and 18 are shielded from these laws or whatever.

Or within three years of like 20. So if you're like a 20 and a 17-year-old. So like if a 25-year-old and a 17-year-old consensually were hooking up, it's a big difference than a 25-year-old and a 9-year-old. No one's disagreeing with you, Ian. But they're both called pedophiles. That's the problem with the word. No, they're not. It's so charged that if someone gets statutory rape accusation and they're 25 and she's 17 or they're 23 17 and 25 is not a pedophile

well a lot of people i think consider them because they're considered minors they consider them pedophiles and that's dangerous i agree that it's dangerous but i think there's there was a new york times article several years ago when they were looking at i'm i mean i'm this is going to be a darker episode than i expected well why don't, why don't we get back on subject? Can I just, let me just make this up. We were talking about yay in politics. Yeah, let's get to the fun stuff. You know the truth.

There was a New York Times article where they were investigating child pornography. And according to that piece, whoever, FBI, I guess it was, didn't have enough staff to even handle the infants that were being in these videos. So the amount of very young stuff that's out there is profoundly disturbing. And I was going to write a book about this.

I talked to my agent about it several years ago. And he's like, do you really want to be doing this research? And I'm like, yes. And there's multiple incidences of people coming to big platforms like Twitter a couple years ago and saying, hey, my photos here when I was underage are being leaked here. Twitter saying, oh yeah, yeah, we'll do something about it. And then ignoring those people,

screwing them over. And then at the same time, now Twitter for the first time is saying, we're going to be addressing this problem. And now the Apple app store is going to, is threatening to cancel them. That's absolutely crazy. This is the one, this is the, you got me triggered.

Now, okay, now I'm going to go full Luke. Elon Musk, Eliza Blue, if you're out there, I think she's been on the show. Yeah. This has been her big issue, getting a CP off of Twitter. God bless her. This is something that is unambiguously a problem,

something unambiguously horrific and evil, period, end of story. And a lot of times people who were in the, as you said, were in these images or videos would contact Twitter and Twitter shrug their hands. Elon Musk took over and he's like, all right, this is going to be like priority one. Like this is a complete non-starter. This has got to go.

We can worry about racism, homophobia, transphobia, gender pronouns, whatever. This is a problem. who is an agent of the devil, wrote a tweet and an article that says, Elon Musk has tried to take on Twitter's child abuse nightmare, but according to experts, has only made it worse. And they tweeted it nine times. I looked up how often Forbes had mentioned Twitter and children in the past.

They've literally never even used those two words together previously. So now that Elon is trying to do something about it, Forbes has an issue with it because they don't have an issue with it. They have an issue with Elon Musk. So this speaks to what Luke is saying, how many people there are in power who do not care about children at all, but who only care about power and who get off on having power over their people, including young children.

I mean, and they brag about it many times by doing photo shoots. Let's, let's, let shoots. Let's jump to this story from Fox Business in light of what you're bringing up. Musk is planning to release the Twitter files on free speech suppression.

Public deserves to know. So, of course, I sat down with, you know, Rogan and Jack and Vijay and I believe they outright lied to us.

The whole thing was just lies. Hadn't they lied under oath too? I don't know about them specifically, but I'm willing to bet Twitter staff probably have lied under oath to Congress

or at the very least they've lied to Congress or even less than that been wrong to Congress. Great. We'll hear what's going on. I got to say though, the Twitter files, I would bet a substantial amount of money that they have files on child exploitation

where there's a manager saying like, hey, don't do anything because it'll draw attention to us and it'll be bad for the stock price stuff like that oh my god would you would you agree they were probably behind the scenes i am so i i'm praying with every fiber of my being that you're wrong like that's something that's so like purely evil that to have that in writing it's it's just so disturbing what do you expect something like that you're right you're right but it's still it's just it's it's just horrifying to even think about why why weren't they taking it down yeah it's a great question that's that's a very long Elon snaps his finger he that's unfair he's working very hard getting everybody saying shut it down and it's disappearing yeah and and these people at twitter were taking advantage of the

power and responsibility they had for their own personal benefit twitter were taking advantage of the power and responsibility they had for their own personal benefit for the personal benefit of the power in for the powers in charge for the government for the intelligence agencies for the multinational corporations that are calling the shots there uh so they're capable of doing a lot of very underhanded evil things and i think elon musk even a couple days ago hey, you know, it's far worse than I even expected it to be. And I bet there's probably so much evil, so much just nasty actions being committed by these people that a lot of people can't even imagine how bad it gets. Let me ask you, Ian, because you worked for Mines and you actually saw a lot of the content that violated. I can't imagine, like, based on your experience, how bad you think it is with Twitter, people posting posting this stuff it's got to be magnitudes worse because there's magnitudes more people using

it and i mean like times 10 times 10 times there's probably a 10 000 more times more people using it so i'd imagine there's 10 000 times more what i mean is probably even more than that because it's a centralized focus of interaction you you actually had to deal with moderation when it came to this kind of stuff yeah and i'm wondering if the fbi went to twitter and was like oh that's child porn leave it up it's a honeypot now. Let's see everybody that shares it and comments on it. Those are the people

we're going after. Yeah, the federal government has run many adult child websites, and the stories of what they were doing is absolutely shocking. What about the Banju Boys? Is that how it's pronounced

in Afghanistan? I don't know. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, our allies in Afghanistan had a thing where they would bring out young boys and have their way with them. And basically, this is also in New York Times, the armed forces were told, they're on our team, look the other way, this isn't our problem. And then the soldiers that spoke out against it were court-martialed and punished that were trying to stop it. It wasn't the Chinese Revolution, man.

Your tax dollars were paying for the U.S. military protecting and aiding small children being hurt in more ways than one. I just wanted to come here and make some Jew jokes. You are.

And they're hilarious. Hey, hey, hey, the Balenciaga stuff opens the door. But look, look, it's a killer material. We can talk about, I mean, what's going on

with Twitter because it's not just obviously the dark, dark stuff, but we're probably going to see overt political bias. We're probably going to see election interference

outright them saying- The Hunter Biden thing off the top of my head. Absolutely. There's no question that was outright election interference. And they're probably going to be saying in the private chats, this is going to help Biden win or we have to stop Trump, things like that. Yeah.

Yeah, there's no question that's- It's dark, but I've lightened it. How about that? Yeah, no, no, no. That is, although the Hunter Biden with the niece and whatever, that's they it's dark but i've lightened it yeah no no no that that is that is the um although the hunter biden with the the nef with the niece and whatever that's a whole other situation here we go again yep no but i i there was this norm mcdonald uh meme which i don't think he ever really said uh where the quote ascribed to norm which is i'm starting to think that the the pedophile devil worshipers who run our government don't have our best interest

at heart um and there's a lot of truth to that. Yes, absolutely. I'm wondering what other, when they pull up these Twitter files that Elon's talking about, if they're going to find words that have been downrighted. Can I make everyone even more depressed? Hell yes! Let's do it. Please do. So, the thing that

really upsets me is the virtual certainty that nothing will happen as a consequence of this and let me give you an example when this happened we all remember the brett kavanaugh hearings and what do you think of christine blaisey ford julie swetnick was an example where it absolutely you know she's saying that kavanaugh was at these parties where there was trains run on her it's like why are you going back to these parties michael avanetti was her lawyer people were tripping over themselves to put her on TV.

It turned out her story made no sense. It didn't add up. She'd never met Kavanaugh, so on and so forth. Chuck Grassley, Charles Grassley, who was just reelected, who was, I think, head of the Judiciary Committee, ranking hardcore Republican, he put out a press release earlier this year how he wrote a letter to both the Department of Justice and the FBI asking for follow-up

about someone who lied to effect a free court nomination, and they didn't bother replying, neither bothered replying to him. And then he wrote them another letter, and this is his press release. See? I'm writing letters that are completely ignored. Vote for me. So the fact that he's boasting

about the fact that he can't even get someone on the phone from the Department of Justice or the fbi about something that is central to our legal system just speaks to me how little appetite there is in washington among members of both parties to have any kind of repercussions for this and another great example of this is i really drives me crazy when boomer conservatives think oh pedophiles are democrats like as if it's somehow like, you know, they're into kids, but they're also just socialized medicine. The Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, was a predator on young boys. And he went to jail as a consequence for things that have to do with this issue.

The Democrats never bring it up. They never use this as a cudgel. They never say why you'd bring back Dennis Hastert's money. They're more interested in talking about like Margaret Taylor Greene or Trump or George W. Bush, who's now a good guy. So that to me is very, very disturbing. I have not given up on politics, but I'm so disinterested in attempting to use that corrupt system to fix a world that was we need to make politics. Like politics is a result of a healthy society.

So let's build a healthy society. Then there will be politics. Luke, fix him. Well, so look, look, look. Hey, I'm trying. I'm trying to get him to exercise that's been we had you you said you wanted to do it yesterday i told you want to do it enraged after the show i think you need to read this book i would love to you can only help people so much you gotta open the door they gotta walk through i want to i want to mention just as we're talking about this subject and and and boy as are we in

it i guess because the balenciaga stuff we really needed to talk about this subject and, and, and boy, are we in it, I guess because the Balenciaga stuff, we really needed to talk about this, but there is, there, there is a positive for us who are challenging these things, trying to get these things taken down. Grateful to Elon Musk for putting a stop to this. And it's that I was talking to a friend and I said something like,

as, as semi facetiously like, oh yeah, like, you know, people believe that a cabal of powerful global elites are trafficking kids and doing weird things. Pause. Because now we know they are because of Epstein and Maxwell's conviction. Hey, that's funny, right? If you said that a few years ago, people would call you crazy, but something happened. And now we know it happened. They're

doing it. Maxwell locked up because of it. And now we're still sitting here wondering who were their clients. So not only do we know it happened, we know there are still people who have never been held to account. She went down for providing, you know, a service for clients that weren't there. That absolutely doesn't make sense. And this wasn't the first time that there have been major government officials caught in these larger, horrible things that they were doing to children. Dennis Hassert is one of them. The former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Edward Heath, another major one. No, no, no, no.

I looked him up. Ed Heath, it's ambiguous, so let's give him some credit. I mean, when he's hanging out with Jimmy Saville? I didn't know he was hanging out with Jimmy Saville. Yeah, I mean... Heath was... We don't have receipts on Heath. Who's Heath, by the way?

He was the Prime Minister that Margaret Thatcher dethroned. I talk him out of my next book yeah but but but again there are many the canes yes there's we just keep going how many times and how many instances there are of government using your tax dollars to facilitate some of the most atrocious horrible acts on the face of the earth that people can't even think about i think it was in 1969 1971 uh if you look up like french philosophers declaration a bunch of prominent french philosophers including sartre of the surf that people can't even think about. I think it was in 1969, 1971. If you look up French Philosophers Declaration, a bunch of prominent French philosophers,

including Sartre, early 70s, late 60s, where they all signed a letter saying that age of consent laws should be abolished. Wow. Yeah, it's wild. There's evil out there.

So please look it up. Double check it. Okay, I want to talk about evil and cabals because you're saying these conspiracy theories, people don't know if they're real or not.

Well, hold on, hold on. This is very known. Right, right. Like, the Epstein stuff, it's no longer the realm of conspiracy. Maxwell was convicted. I want to shout out Phoenix499, who superchatted us, saying, all you need to know is that Maxwell was the first person to be convicted of trafficking kids to nobody. So, there's people out there. These are evil people. They've gotten away with it, for now. And one more, let there's people out there. These are evil people. They've gotten away with it for now.

And at one more, let's get a little personal. I was on Rogan a couple of years ago because a friend of mine, Matt, and he told me to use his name. He came out to me because he had been a victim of childhood sexual abuse. And the reason I bring this up every so often is it's still one of those things where there's such a stigma to it that people are scared to talk about it. Like if I found out that your mom, you know, alcoholic i'd feel bad for you luke but our friendship wouldn't really change if i found out you know something happened with you ian but this is the

kind of thing where people are scared to say something because if you talk to them about it they think you're going to think they're a wounded bird you're gonna think they're a freak you're not gonna be able to make certain kinds of jokes about them as a result of this this social stigma they keep it silent you know for the rest of their lives, which is really, really making a victim even worse. And after I was on Rogan, I talked about this four more of my friends came out to me. So if I know five people, that means I definitely know more. And that means this happens a lot more than people realize. And until people start talking about it and normalizing, coming out and accepting people have had this done to them, they're going to keep getting away with it. Because the reason these people get away with

it is like, don't tell anyone. and that you're a kid you're not going to know any better so it's it's a very very uh disturbing cycle that hopefully we're going to be able to break uh in the very near future you think it's just by normalizing sexuality adult sexuality in our society no like like people are afraid to talk about sex and then they go and shame watch porn and abuse kids like if they have a healthy conversation about it maybe it will prevent that kind of behavior you know you don't come no i can't i can't i'll give you this one we live in the see what i have to deal with i gotta deal with this every day we are the result of puritans and they

were very anti like it was puritan puritanical has that adjective attached to it for a reason is because it's like no sex this might be the most you've gone full ian this is the most this is i almost did porn man i'm like should i be doing porn right now should i be waking people up to the idea that sexuality is okay i i completely agree sexuality is okay if you want to do porn i'll support you thank you but i think this is something very different from people you know not talking about what kind of sex they have as opposed to like awful things were done to me as a kid and they didn't use force. And on some level it was pleasurable

and I was confused because I was a child and I wasn't physically hurt. They didn't punish me. I didn't know how to feel about the time. And now as an adult, I still don't know how to feel about it. And this has disturbed me all my life and I'm turning to drugs or alcohol because I don't know how to deal with it like the

record my opinion hunter biden perhaps yeah that's that's that's a big uh a big can of worms that we could open up here in just a little bit but ian i do not support your adult uh history you haven't seen me work yet i do not i do not want to uh and And there's a big difference between satanic evil people using sex as a way to gain energy and feel like they have power over actual genuine love and intimacy. Let's segue to censorship because I have a story from Lawfare. Supreme Court grants Sertiorari, I'm pronouncing that wrong probably, in Gonzalez v. Google and Twitter v. Tamne, an overview. I'm not sure these are the exact cases. I believe these are the cases in question, but

I highlight these stories to tell you that I had a phone call with Google today. It was scheduled in advance a few weeks ago. I received an email where it was sent, I believe, to larger YouTube channels, warning that Section 230, this is the shield big tech uses to eliminate content they don't like as distasteful

while being immune from any responsibility due to hosting some of this content. I believe they're on track to lose these protections in a very serious way. So Google started doing this reach out. Got an email. Can we focus on that point? Because I think it's a big one in terms of the odds that they're going to lose. I think the odds are very high they're going to lose

because their argument is we're not editorial. We're just a publisher, meaning anyone could put anything out there. Our hands are clean. However, if I'm editorial, if I'm picking articles, I'm promoting people, then I am having a voice and therefore the protections don't apply to me. Then I can be guilty of libel or whatever, slander, whatever it

is. And very clearly, all of these Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are putting their finger on the scale and promoting some things over the other and make editorial decisions. It's unambiguous. So they're panicking. Yeah. I got an email and it said we want to make you aware about a supreme court taking on these cases which will have a big impact on recommendations if the supreme court rules against us or our position we may not be able to recommend your content anymore and you know what i thought when i saw that ian should do porn. Me too. I thought maybe that's a good one. On mimes. But no, I left.

Are you kidding me? That they would email this when we know for a fact they suppress our content. And I say we know for a fact because let me tell you this. I get a phone call from the guy. We had a meeting. I get the email. It says, please schedule. Here's my availability.

I don't want to be mean to the guy. He called me and he was advocating for his position. I respect that. He wants to talk to me again tomorrow. I scheduled the meeting for whatever date was available. And we had some emergency stuff going on today. Obviously, we had a heck of a yesterday. So, you know, of course, we get slammed with a bunch of stuff today. You get it. But I get a phone call. I'm in the car and I'm like, well, I answer it anyway. And I'm like, hey, I'm in the car and I'm like FaceTiming this dude. And he basically was explaining that if the Supreme Court agrees with these people, that means YouTube. Look, Section 230 says you can't sue. I'll give a simplified version. Can't sue YouTube because of what Tim Pool says. I am putting something out there. YouTube did not say it. However, it also says YouTube can't be considered a publisher of this content even if they moderate and have editorial control over the platform. Now, how do you have it both ways? Your corporation, you always have it both ways.

Right. So they call me and they say, listen, be and this is so hilarious the guy's like look we we might not be able to issue recommendations anymore that means search because we use an algorithm so if someone imagine someone searched for your name and the and the videos wouldn't come up and i'm just sitting there like oh oh yeah imagine it huh imagine it huh i went off i'm sorry i snapped said, we hit 800,000 views on our video. No trending, no recommendations. There was a period where Google removed this YouTube channel from all of their search. You could type in the title of a video.

And I was like, and you're going to call me and tell me that I should be worried about this. You understand that you have so much weight against me. We succeed in spite of what you've done, that if YouTube strips you of your powers, we'll actually benefit from it. Two points. First, people at home don't realize that when Tim gets this angry,

his beanie becomes a mushroom cloud. So it's kind of really cool to watch. And I'm the victim of this too. On Instagram, you can't search for my name. You can't even tag me. You have to spell out Michael Malice because I'm completely satiric. On Instagram, if you try to follow me,

it gives you a warning telling you not to follow me because I spread quote misinformation. You try to tag me, it says, sure you want to tag this guy who spread misinformation? You're more badass than me. YouTube has been screw me for my entire career. What you described, Tim,

has been happening throughout my entire career. YouTube promotes authoritative sources. CNN, MSNBC, fake news spreaders. They don't spread independent media. I'm not in the search. I'm not in the results. And it's almost impossible to find Eden's pornos. I have looked a lot.

Listen, listen. Look on the Crossmac channel. I want to tell you more about what this guy was saying to me. There's not actually porn on there. He said something to the effect of, imagine if we could no longer recommend you and you were no longer part of like, I'm paraphrasing, something like the mainstream conversation or something. And I'm just like, guy, that's what you've already done. We created a new channel, Timcast Music. We put up a video on it.

It gets half a million views in a day. Two days later, it is trending number 23, I think number 23 on YouTube. Surprise, surprise, a brand new channel with a big video gets played. We're trending. But IRL can get half a million views on an episode in two hours and never reach that mark. Can I make a point? My understanding is from someone who has inside knowledge about this, that the trending up section on YouTube is manual. Right. Of course. So, so. It's not organic. I think it's a mix,

but I think it's largely editorial. Yeah, correct. I think there's obviously a component, but my, you know, my point was to the guy, I said, why is it that we know for a fact you can't Google search my videos?

Like, if Facebook comes up, you can't even, you can't even search my channel. When you would search for Timcast or Timcast IRL, it would, it would just show you playlists created by other people because they removed us from search. And you're telling me that you want the ability to be free from all liability when you choose to promote political speech from, say, ISIS, but then you expect me to defend you when

you put the weights on us when we call out these bad players. I hope, I said this to him, I hope that the Supreme Court rules against you and everything is forced to return to reverse chronological feed because I will do better from it. Absolutely. This talks to earlier

about how the suits are often oblivious because I bet you any money that he had the exact same speech for everyone he was trying to call. He had a list of like 50 people and he had the exact same speech and was oblivious to who he was talking to. And then the call got disconnected, I guess.

But that was us. We control the phones and the weather. Didn't like that. Maybe he got disconnected. But as I was talking and I'm heated, but I was being polite. It's not you personally, but dude, don't call me

and think I'm going to side with you on this one. I don't think he did his research. I just love the idea that like you're going to holler up like a Tanji brown jackson and be like come on and she's like all right like i've got a rule in favor of them no no right but but i also thought that it was kind of funny that google thinks they can start calling creators and saying support our but they can i bet you a lot of these creators are completely art of art synthetic and a function of their algorithm but i'm also willing to bet that when he calls leftists,

they said the same thing I did. LGBT creators have been complaining a long time that YouTube suppresses that because it's not advertiser friendly. So they're going to call them and be like, defend our immunity. They're going to say, no, restore reverse chronological feed

so that my video can be shown to my followers. I bet you there's a lot of people who are happy to play ball. Because if you look at any industry, the people at the top are often happy to lick the boot. There's always some Ralphs willing to suck up to power and authority.

But I think a lot of people are absolutely frustrated and pissed off at these algorithms controlling our society that have been absolutely a net negative, not just to the mental health of this country, but when we see the mental warfare that's being created out there, you're going to be doing something here. What do you mean by algorithms?

Say it. Name them. I'm not going to bat an eye when the same huge organization that labeled me a conspiracy theorist now won't be able to editorialize. I'm not going to be mad at that. It's totally fine. Let people see what they want to see. It's that simple. If they subscribe to something, if they want to see something, let them see it. We're adults here. Stop treating us like children. I don't want to be recommended these stupid RV videos or these stupid truck life videos. I don't want to be recommended some kind of psyop. Stop with the psyopsis. Stop with the nonsense. I want to listen to what I want to listen to. And that's what the people demand and that's what the people will get. I'm on

Twitter and they have their algorithmic feed and their home feed, that's what it's called. And they have the reverse chronological feed. I do really well posting my content and getting shares and getting followers without any kind of weird algorithmic impedance. So YouTube deserves to have that stripped away from

them. My Twitter following went up by an order of quadruple new followers a day once some switch got switched 10 days ago. And Ben Askren, who is now 0 for 3, my episode with him is dropping next week. When we recorded, he had more followers than me and was rubbing it in my face. And now I have 10,000 more than him.

So suck it, Askren. Now I know how Jake Paul feels. followers than me and was rubbing it in my face and now i have 10 000 more than him so suck it askren uh i now i now i know what jake paul feels point being there was clearly some kind of algorithmic screwery on the back end that was hurting me before and he's either neutral or helping me now yeah i got i experienced the same thing probably you too tim have you heard the there's like that internet meme law that says any online forum without moderation will become right wing. Something like that. Any online forum without sufficient moderation will become right wing. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I think it's more like it'll become radicalized. No, no, no. That's not. I don't know who came up with that. I thought it was Robert's Conquest Laws of Power. The second one is any organization not dedicated to being right wing will become left wing so that might be an inversion of that really yeah i guess that that's the assumption that the the powers that be right now have been co-opted by some sort of leftist

mentality right of communist or socialist uh movement well but uh i you know so i don't know where that meme came from but you take a look at like reddit-Syop control by big powerful PACs and organizations. Yeah, the memes were all like- Well, that's where the Donald came from. Right, exactly. And I think it was MIT Technology Review said that the Donald and 4chan's politically incorrect were the progenitors of almost all of the memes that were going viral. They were funny.

People liked them, the Pepes. They'd end up on Twitter and then Katy Perry was sharing them. No moderation. It was just meritocratic. The best memes rose to the top. Everyone liked it, shared it, that culture built. And then all of a sudden they had what leads to, I basically don't incite violence, but we will not intervene in any disputes between people. Now it's we take a political stance, hardcore, etc. Yeah, YouTube in 2006 when I started June 2006 on the cross Mac channel, go check it out. It's there was all owned by YouTube. Google had not bought the company yet. That was like a year and a half later and they were just featuring whatever they wanted every day. There'd be 10 featured videos every day. And throughout the day, they dropped down one every like two hours, you know, a new one

would come up. So you'd be slowly siphoned off the front page. It was all idealistically motivated. Whoever was controlling YouTube at that time was deciding it was Steve Grove, who was running politics was like, I like your video, Ian, I'm going to feature it in news and politics. So he liked it there. His political are both our political agenda got pushed which was re-elect barack obama but then at some point google bought the company i saw that's dangerous that's corporate conglomerate so this could be really bad people started getting banned and uh then the politics people new people probably came into the power of the in control so since the beginning it's been a platform and a public like they are platform they are deciding who gets to be seen since the very beginning. I think Elon Musk has

shown us a lot of what this is. Big advertisers are scared because left-wing activists organize and they organize predominantly on Twitter, these campaigns against them. Now there's uncertainty and they don't know what to do. I think it's funny. Advertisers announced that they were going to pull off their ads or reduce spending on Twitter due to uncertainty. And my personal view is the uncertainty likely is which side is going to attack us more and we don't know who to side with anymore. Same thing.

This is how Times Square for Pride became all rainbows, you know, 25-8. I tweeted this before, that only corporate America can make sodomy and perversion seem downright boring. But before gay marriage became universally accepted in corporate culture they just kept their mouth shut like they would have these little organizations like oh you know we have this little program but now you you buy a candy bar and it's you know it's a rainbow it's got a rainbow flag

on it every month is skittles except except for their their brands that operate in like the middle east or whatever those are the ones that never don't they have a banned substance in skittles that was recently found out that was absolutely really horrible? Adrenochrome? Hold on. No, no, I don't think that's where they're green. I don't think that's where they hide their adrenochrome.

Do you think that we should advocate to ban corporate advertisement in social media? No. What? Really? That's such a First Amendment violation. Are you communist? Yeah, go back to Russia.

Go back to Russia. Michael keeps looking at me when ian says stuff with this look of like i can't believe he's social media is a cop is working in the i love him and i'm in love with him it's working i love you too michael you know he says something you look at me you better know that like is he for serious yeah because i think the huge social media networks i means the ones i think where their code should be freed like they're working in the commons and at some point if the advertisers are controlling the commons by blackmail or by saying, we will take our money away if you don't do what we say, that's bad for the commons. I don't disagree with

that. But what I'm saying is this is something that you're trying to kind of square a circle and there's no easy answer one way or another. If you're going to have a subscription model, then it's going to be kind of Karen oriented because the ones who complain the most are going to have disproportionate amounts of power. So things are going to be kind of inoffensive. So I don't see an easy answer here. Right. Because if you remove advertisers from YouTube, for instance, all these people with the partner program are, I don't think it's called the partner program anymore. It's something else, but everybody would start losing their ad revenue that could destroy tens of thousands of careers. You know, I think Elon recognized the power of

cancel culture and what they were doing. I don't think it's the sole component of why he bought Twitter, but you can see him tweeting at Tim Cook. Apparently, the Financial Times reported that he was calling CEOs saying, why are you dropping us? I think Elon knows the fear they have of Twitter. I think anybody, I think most of you, most people listening understand this. If you've got Twitter followers and you have a problem and you tweet about it that company bends over backwards to help you I don't like the system I think it's really done wait wait wait wait hold on hold the phone you didn't you know I've got a lot of twitter followers I can make problems for people just by calling someone no no no you can get whatever you want wait I want that I want what I want okay

so here's an example um if you if you are boarding a plane you can just oh yeah i had a terrible experience oh yeah of course this is horrible and they'll say we'll upgrade you we're so sorry we'll give you whatever you want wait you really yes i can do this i was i strongly recommend we're not gonna hear the end of it i was sitting in the middle seat on my flight here and let me tell you as soon as I got off the plane, I talked to the manager from Timcast. And I certainly hope she- Were you on a middle seat? I was in a middle seat. Do you prefer a window?

I felt like an animal. Were you Sidney Watson'd? Oh yeah, squeezed between two larger people, according to Sid. Was it according to Sid receipts? But the point I was making, just try and stay on subject, I suppose, is when you have a lot of followers and you have a problem with a company, you tweet about it.

They will take care of you because they know you can direct a lot of bad reviews. It's negative advertising. Twitter has created a negative advertising space. I'm going to tweet at White Castle right now. I hate them. They're really not good. I'm not joking. It's inedible.

So let's see what happens. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You misunderstand. I'm not joking. It's inedible. So let's see what happens. Most fast foodies. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You misunderstand, Michael. I'm tweeting anyway. I don't want White Castle with White Castle. I just eat those sliders. Yeah. Little guys.

So imagine this. Elon Musk has 120 million followers. Done. So when he says Apple's pulling ads or Apple's threatening to drop twitter from the platform and then he tweets directly at tim cook tim cook is on blast his phone starts going and he's going what's going on he's like oh no elon's tweeting at me oh man he's got 120 million followers what's happened according to financial times is that when elon calls the ceos they

reinstate their ads but to a minimum minimum level to keep the money flowing. These ad networks are terrified of whoever controls the communication sphere. And now Elon has it. Okay. Well, it looks like Elon has it, but whose money is Elon using? I told you not to talk about it on the air. Global bankers' money that they can turn off your account at any moment we found with Kanye's situation. So let's talk about who controls social media it's banking i mean it's the money but you think elon isn't acting under his own volition i think he is within the bounds that he's given which is this is your u.s dollar this is how you get by this is how you get food you're you're not completely off but there is agency among the individual, right? Elon is very powerful. This

is the point I'm making. He has Twitter. He can wield 120 million followers. That's why they're scared to go too hard against him. Because you look at what's going on in China right now. Even with the power and the iron fist of the CCP, people have reached their point. So there are powerful interests. There are people, and it's self-interest too, like these big corporations, they don't like that Elon can push them around. There are powerful government interests. Look at the Democrats. They also don't like the spotlight on them.

They want to stay like, okay, you know, the reason how it works is with like Black Lives Matter, you don't want to be that one corporation that didn't have that black square. It's much easier to go with the herd because then no one could pick you off. So when he calls someone or puts them on blast, all of a sudden,

there's no good answer for you as a corporation because now you're like, I'm going to offend somebody and that's my nightmare scenario. Their stock price will drop. Negative for us. Apple's stock price, yeah.

I mean, I don't know if it did. It did actually yesterday by 3%. Oh, is that right? I just saw a clip. Okay. Screenshot, yeah.

And they know that and they're like, a 3% drop is how many billions of dollars? Exactly. Like how many less iPhones are we going to sell? And how much in ad revenue is that going to... If we spend $10 billion on ads, how many...

Or $10 million or whatever. Yes, Apple's stock price is down 2%. Well, a lot of stocks are down. But seeing the war between Elon and Apple is pretty glorious. It's pretty amazing. That was Donald Trump. It's spectacular to see because Elon even said, hey, if this gets too crazy,

if you guys ban us from the Apple store, we're just going to create our own phone. Which you should do. Yeah, I think it's awesome. And I think the market is going to provide a solution to a lot of the censorious, a lot of the insane algorithms and control systems that is trying to, of course, suck out humanity

from existence. Well, do you think that the government should strip 230 protections from these companies? I think if we have organizations there using these kind of speech platforms, using what is essentially our modern day town halls and censoring people, editorializing people. I think that right there is them taking advantage of a situation. And what should be the larger solution to that? I think, you know, they do have a monopoly. I think it's fair to say that.

And I think it needs to be broken apart. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Okay, now you both can go back to russia okay okay how do you how do you deal with with google how do you deal with this problem because because like state power obviously yeah because they are uh they are an institution that is a part of the state uh right wait i'm not arguing there there's there's absolutely intertwined between the them the state yeah you can't like break up twitter. That doesn't really make sense. No, I'm not saying break up Twitter.

I'm saying stop the government. Oh, I'm sorry. Misunderstood. The government working with Google, working with Twitter, needs to stop immediately and need to be broken up and not have this unfair advantage

that the government gives them. I hardly endorse literally everything he just said. Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. I know you got scared there. I did. Trust me. I don't want more states

to solve the problem of the state. I thought you were getting all Sherman-y No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not getting there. I'm just saying the state. I know you got scared there. I did. Trust me, I don't want more states to solve the problem of the state. I thought you were getting all shrewd. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not getting there. I'm just saying the state empowers these monopolies. The state needs to stop immediately. Section 230 is government protection for big corporations to be free from any liability for what they publish, recommend, or otherwise, while they are also simultaneously free to editorialize and promote whatever they want that is insane imagine if we had a law in this country that said you as a newspaper can never be sued for defamation but that's ridiculous this is one of the big arguments for anarchism

meaning of separation of government of commerce and state for the same reasons you have separation of church and state because we saw saw it with the pharmaceutical companies, which is this deal on behalf of literally everyone in America, where you're going to make your shot. I don't even know what words I can say on YouTube anymore. And we really needed to rush to market, understandably, under an emergency kind of unprecedented situation. But as a result of this, there are going to be no consequences for you if things go bad. It couldn't even be like, you know what? Here's what's going to happen. If things go bad, we as the government are going to make some kind of welfare and pay out for people who had consequences

for our wrongdoing, just like if there's certain other situations, like you're in war and you're a soldier and you come back, we're going to take care of you. They didn't even do that. They're just going to be like, you know what? No one's going to be responsible. And that, to me, is government at its most malevolent. No liability at all, which is absolutely criminally insane,

especially when there are clearly a lot of people getting hurt by this. They have no one to go to. Who's going to be paying for their medical bills? Who's going to be taking care of them? There's no ability to have any kind of restitution at all, which is insane. Or even acknowledgement of wrongdoing.

Exactly. Just here's the blank check. Yeah. Go for it. No, there's no blank check. There's nothing. There's shut up. Get away. We told you to do do this we manipulated you to do this we extorted you to do this we told you you can't travel you can't live you can't go see your grandma die unless you

do this you did this you got hurt who's who's who's responsible no one you're responsible for believing us that's that's essentially what they're saying at the end of the day here relatively recently in history that they did that too right whether they made the uh no this has been going on since like teddy rosa i was gonna say vaccine immunity oh no sorry not like monopolies being able to do what they want yeah in fact protections are probably the new thing vaccine immunity protection no no no no no no corporate protections corporate corporations aren't uh what do you know when the first corporation was oh i i bet this has been issued since like the 1890s i don't know the first corporation was it might be the 1890s around then i'm not sure i don't think so

i think it's got to be earlier well there is india trading company i know yeah exactly yeah that was like a country man that was so right basically but uh you think you had any rights working for the east india trading company they would issue you script like their own currency that you you'd have to use on their territory to buy like food from their stores. And imagine what would happen if they're like, we want you to go take this machete and go clear bush. Like, what if I get hurt? They just laugh. Like, how could you even ask that question?

Do it or don't eat. Now- Because you're replaceable. Right. There's no shortage of people from Ireland or Eastern Europe who's, you know, we can kind of fill your shoes. It's only recently in human history, we started saying like, hey, you know,

people should be responsible if they're misleading, if're causing problems or at the very least if there is a if if like you release a toy that has an issue that needs to be recalled and you don't people get like you'll get sued you're responsible something someone hurts you the party that hurt you is responsible is liable the government steps in says no they're not liable but also to add insults to injury they're also acting like the pr agency of big pharma if we look within the last few years that the white house has essentially become and marketing an advertisement arm of big pharma and other multinational corporations that they agree with that enforce their agenda that to me is another layer of communism that we have to deal

with that's absolutely insane and needs to stop immediately i feel so redundant yeah he's saying all my things like what do i what do i do here like oh i need you here when the statists are here tell me when the collectivists when the communists when the right-wingers who want more government here i need you here i need you in my corner talk about this thank you oh my god this is this is please let's talk about this because this is something that blew my mind because it really drives me crazy how conservatives use the word communist in the same way that progressives use the word racist. It just means something I don't like. I was on The Blaze on election night, and Steve Deese, who's a Christian conservative, who I was very impressed by. He was very, very bright.

He really kind of understands how politics works. But his conclusion at the end was to have twitter be run as a public utility by the government and i'm like you're fighting communism by having these organizations be run by the state under socialist that's literally socialism and then people take it even further by saying you know i think i know what's better for everyone i think they need this in their life and that in the life and we need the states to mandate this and this and this and i'm like you're sounding exactly like what you're fighting against because the left supposedly fighting against exactly the leftists are making the same argument saying i know what's better for

you i know what's right for you and this is why we need the state to intervene and use their monopoly of violence in order to push my wills onto you and i'm like stop violating human rights when the conservatives talk about we need to be teaching morality in schools that's's what CRT is. That is progressives teaching their morality in schools. We'll have a conversation about this. I think you can do something like put Twitter under government control that's not communism or socialism. It may be socialistic, but it would also enshrine, theoretically, First Amendment protections on this platform that's become a weapon for one political faction. Yeah, but look at like NPR, right? Like NPR is heavily subsidized by the state. And they're so- Are they though?

Small, minorly, I believe. It's very low percent, surprisingly. Then why are they allowed to call themselves National Black Radio? Why were they called Federal Express? Exactly. It's totally misleading and it should be illegal. Well, you can't call yourself, like there was like an issue calling yourself bank of something that like this was a big issue because it was really bank of america i've been told good for me i don't i think what if i you're right i'm not what if i called my company official u.s government post office business or official u.s government candy that was the name of my company i mean that would have to be illegal that makes no sense it would make the kids change their genders. When you look it up, and maybe

this is wrong, it says NPR does not receive any direct federal funding. It receives small competitive grants from CPB and federal agencies like the Department of Education and the Department of Commerce. So how are they funded? Do they have advertising? From viewers like you. I think it's mostly money, independent money. It's actually

kind of crazy where they get the money from. I don't want to come out and say, I think i definitely agree that the problem is government uh i think all power systems tend to tend towards corruption over time yes and the problem is that government programs can't fail they're they're they're they're aren't like they're surrounded by the monopoly on violence like luke was saying and so they can never just stop so perhaps sunset clauses in anything is like maybe a constitutional amendment. All government programs and laws will have a five-year sunset, must be re-voted upon by the people or something like that. The problem with that is if you look at like a trademark law, right?

It used to be that after X amount of years, a character becomes public domain. And Disney is just lobbying Congress. So Mickey Mouse and Superman, because they were made in the 30s, should have been public domain. I don't know how many years ago, meaning anyone can make a Superman movie, anyone can make a Mickey Mouse movie, and they just keep pushing the bucket down the road because there's such an asymmetry.

Disney has a huge interest in this. The rest of us have little power or interest in this. The symmetry is never going to be in the favor of the freedom. I think in regards to how you deal with a monopolistic social media network, I kind of agree. I don't want the government controlling who gets to say what on the network because that's just another kind of monopoly. If the government was to be like, no, we're going to monopoly. It's just popular. Like it's very difficult to have several search engines because

one is effectively going to be much more optimal than the others. Yeah. And because it's better, it's become maybe you're right. Maybe the word monopoly is not the right word, but I feel like Google has a monopoly on internet search. Maybe not because Brave is there, DuckDuckGo exists. But like if those other things had a competitive advantage for some way, because Google beat Yahoo. I'm old enough to remember Yahoo was the search engine.

There was AltaVista and there was WebCrawler and there was AskJeeves. I don't know if those still exist, but the point is Google won because their search results were more useful. So I don't know how you would even beat Google in that regard. Well, I don't think you can. What you can do. What do you mean beat them exactly? What you can do is there's that film, sorry to interrupt myself, there's the film The

Creepy Line, which is what they really should be going after, is how Google operates. And as an example, if I am searching for, let's suppose the guy, Robert, I forget, Robert Levine, maybe his name was, the professor. Let's suppose I'm searching for Hillary Clinton, right? And Google makes it so the top 10 search results are articles that are positive toward Hillary Clinton. And if I search for Donald Trump,

Google makes it so the top 10 articles are critical of Donald Trump. That is going to skew the electorate one way or another, and all of us would be oblivious to see that Google has their thumb on the scale. So that is the kind of thing where the government can be investigating and being like, all right, something here is not adding up because you're acting as a political agency. And in that case, there's all sorts of things that go with it. All I come to is to, I mean, the audience has heard this before probably,

but free the software code. Yes, yes. Amen, brother. I agree with Ian on that in terms of, so we probably, but free the software code. Yes, yes. Amen, brother. I agree with Ian on that in terms of, so we know the algorithms that are manipulating us. Yes, yes. But not the property line of it, right? Correct. You know, I would bring in experts to talk about what actually needs to be freed. I don't think it's every ounce

of lettering in every code base. You should have him on, the guy who, he got, he's like, he got kicked off of Gmail because of this. Like, he basically did the work and he's like, we, like, for example the work and he's like we like for example another thing he found is like facebook they would if you liked hillary they would hit you with you should go out and vote what was if you like trump uh robert epstein yeah i think that's the name yes correct hell yeah we should have him on yeah no relation you can't you can't

search for him anymore yeah what a surprise psychologist he was basically He was basically saying that the search algorithm was flipping votes. Yeah. And the way he described it, not only does it make perfect sense, you'd have no way of knowing. Yep. There was even many scientific studies detailing how big tech social media companies can swing elections and help candidates win when they had no chance of winning. During the, there were Twitter hearings in Congress. Republican brought up that when you were in DC and you sign up for Twitter,

Twitter recommends Democrats and only Democrats. Wow. He was like, why is it? This is what you get. Well, let's play devil's advocate. It could be that the DC is overwhelmingly Democrat.

So the odds are, if you're in DC, you want to follow Democrat. And that's, you know, when I did this phone call with this guy, that's basically what he was saying. He's like, don't you want us to be able to show you what you want? And I'm like, I want to be shown what I choose to watch. You know, like this is the way they think. We know what you want more than you do.

You know, sometimes I get these Instagram ads and I end up buying a UFO. And then buying a second UFO. Because it was a was a cool ad wait where's the second one in adam kriegler's house it's gone yeah unfortunate well this is the second one how much are those it's like 200 bucks okay this is cool i saw it on instagram and i'm like oh i want to get that and so they kind of figured it out you know i want something right but when it comes to political content it doesn't work the same way right it becomes extremely nightmarish when you start this this is what i was explaining to dorsey and vijayagade that if they keep doing what they're doing there's going to be uh i don't think i said the word civil war back then but maybe maybe if you go watch the

episode because what i was trying to get to is you're basically you're forcing everyone into boxes yep yep You are creating 100% polarization on purpose. And they were like, whatever. They didn't care. But I think

in their defense of using that term very loosely, the thing is with social media and you have these conversations, it works kind of evolutionarily in that anyone's philosophy

is going to be driven to its logical conclusion because you run enough iterations that any kind of contradictions are kind of going to go away and you're going to go towards the extreme or the logical conclusion of wherever their premises are. So that is why kind of in many ways

this moderate middle is vanishing because being in the middle is not really a coherent position. It's just kind of a reaction to these two other poles. Yeah, the middle can be like extreme right, left, really fast, so fast that it looks like it's in the middle. So there's still a balance in the extremes if you can handle it hopefully most people can i mean you kind of have to when you're on social media because it's so extreme when you log on it's so extreme everything is so extreme it's like not everything it's like mountain dew they got me talking extreme

i'm curious some people have suggested that elon musk's moves are actually against the right because uh there's this idea i've talked about you have two kids one is covered in filth and dirt and mud and the other looks beautiful and pristine with a nice little suit and tie on let's call them ian and luke in and luke and so listen the uh there's a mother you listen listen to me hear me out hear me out When you approach this woman and you see one child smeared with ice cream all over his face and all nasty. I should have stormed off. That was my chance. I blew it.

I blew it. When you see a kid all messy covered in ice cream and one kid who's looking very clean, you assume, man, that kid must be unruly and crazy. That kid must be responsible. In reality, the mom just doesn't give the kid who's clean any treats or reprieve and is mean to him. The kid who's messy gets whatever he wants. They're both actually bad kids. What happens on Twitter is they start removing people on the right. Okay, this is bad. You're gone. Bad. You're gone. And all that's left are moderate and moderate conservatives to center, you know, like center right to moderate conservative voices. And on the left, they say you can do whatever you want. So you end up with Antifa, violence, extremist posts.

So it skews and ends up making the left look insane. Elon comes in, and I'm not saying he's doing this on purpose. Maybe he's just genuinely like free speech. Some people are saying allowing everybody back on who's crazy is going to actually end up making the right look bad because it's going to bring back the worst possible voices no i don't think he hasn't first of all he hasn't brought back carpe donktum who's like number one on my list because carpe donktum was making memes for trump uh there's no reason for him to be banned it's complete crazy so elon please bring back carpe donktum you brought back well he's bringing back everyone he's bringing back tens of thousands of users very soon so So is he bringing back everyone?

Is he bringing up Milo? Is he bringing up Chuck Johnson? He did a poll saying a blanket amnesty for anyone that didn't spam or clearly violate the bigger rules here. But everyone's going to be back. There's that asterisk. 62,000 people. Fine. My point is we don't know that that's going to include the people who were like where Twitter had previously regarded as the worst of the worst.

I agree. I agree. Like Jones. He's out there. It said he wouldn't bring him back. Does this mean he will? That was interesting. They asked someone asked Elon.

I think it was Viva Frey, maybe Viva Fry Frey. David, how do you say your last name? Frey. If he would bring back Alex and he was like, no, no, I have no respect for people that would. I'm paraphrasing what Elon's response was in text that he values children and anyone that would demean and use children for political gain or power he's totally disgusted that's all of washington and that's an example of like you're

gonna let one guy run your social network i responded to that do you know what obama did in the middle east and how many weddings and children he bombed but it's an example of like you let one guy run a network he has total emotional control of who gets to play what's not emotional i think he's making a coherent if incorrect in your opinion perspective yeah but i mean he's not a woman i think he paid the price for saying those things in public and free speech i mean he's done his you know he's i hate can we talk about this i really really hate that term free speech i don't ever use it uh because it means so many different things to different people like some people think oh if you're blocking me you're blocking my free speech.

It's like, if I'm not letting you in the house. What's the left? No, there's a lot of conservatives who say that too. Oh, you're all, I thought you were for free speech and now you blocked me off your page because I'm an idiot who's babbling MAGA stuff. Did you tell them that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences?

Well, I can reply to them once they're blocked. Oh, that's the argument because is it free speech to go on Twitter and say all these racist stuff and then you get banned. It's still Elon's free speech to block whoever he wants. But then you're like, well, is it a public company? Is it a private company? Now we're in new territory. Free speech is a principle. It's like

an ethic. It's a position that we hold culturally, at least we did for a long time until culture started shifting, I guess. Everybody opposes free speech when you can knock them from power, I suppose, to varying degrees. I remember being a small kid, being like, it's a free country. I started shifting, I guess. Everybody opposes free speech when you can knock them from power, as opposed to varying degrees. I remember being a small kid, being like, it's a free country, I can say what I want. Now we don't have that.

On Twitter, if you are allowed to go on and say your opinions, as repugnant as they may be, that is free speech. If Elon Musk says some opinions are not allowed, he does not believe in free speech. Free speech, there are reasonable limits, I think is fair. I don't think doxing should be allowed. And that is First Amendment protected speech. Free speech, there are reasonable limits, I think is fair. I don't think doxing should be allowed. And that is First Amendment protected speech. So, you know, even I am not an absolutist. Here, let's talk about doxing. If someone's, like, contact information is public, right,

like under in a phone book, whatever it is, and you republish that, do you consider that to be doxing? That's tough. Right? That's a tough one. Right. Is it is it doxing that's tough right that's a tough one right is it is it doxing if someone just google someone you could find their address i don't think that actually qualifies but i don't like it i i think that's really kind of egregious and i think i you guys would probably agree i think it is egregious yeah right the government also sells your addresses many times through the dmv through private corporations is that right and later you can buy yeah people's there's services online where you could, where people go and buy government registries

and then have people's addresses where people could buy it online and find out where they live. It's like, if I send your address to one person, is that doxing? If I send it to 10, now is that, if it's 100? Like at what point does it become a dox? I think it becomes a dox

when you're sending it to strangers. Like pub, so if it's public, does it, or privately to strangers, to people I don't know yeah i think or with the intent certainly kind of plays into here like this is something it's not like hey wish ian a happy birthday send him a card to his address that's it's a fine line we got to respect people's privacy but also at the same time we got to respect people's speech where do you draw the line yeah because i'm allowed to say what your address is. I'm allowed. In public, under the First Amendment, doxing is protected.

You can hold up a big sign with someone's address and walk around with it. It's actually also really kind of crazy. I'm reading a autobiography of this woman, Mabel Dodge Lujan, who had these salons in her house in the early 20th century where modernism started. And the articles in the New York Times would be be like mrs mabel dodge comma of five east 23rd street new york and it would just have her address there it's like this seems like it's a problem yeah well i guess culture is the is is the biggest issue in my opinion when it comes to everything most of the political stuff we're dealing with it's cultural when you have a culture that is cohesive and agrees on morals and ethics, like you can leave your door open at night. You don't have to worry as much about crime.

But when you have a society, a country where everyone's just like, you're not a part of my community. I don't know you. I don't care. Now you got to lock your doors. It seems like when you have small localities, there tends to be a homogenization of culture because there's only 70 of us. We all know where 7th Street is. But as soon as you introduce 100,000 or 10 million unknowns to the culture, you're in a state of like, I can't leave my address online anymore. We used to have the yellow pages.

Yeah. Like, they used to be books of everyone's addresses. This used to be the big appeal of cities, that if you're from some small town where everyone knew your business, you could go somewhere and get lost and vanish. And it's not just a thing for criminals. It could be things like, you know, I want to rediscover myself. I want to create a new identity for myself. I want to get away from this kind of upbringing I had. So this was, back in the day, a benefit of cities.

But thanks to the internet, that's kind of gone away. I don't need to go live proximately to people who share my worldview. I could just find it through social media, so on and so forth. And given how just deleteriously cities have been collapsing in the last 10 years in terms of just basic safety and public services, it's just the question on the table, I think for many of us is, are cities an outdated mode of organization? Or are governments?

Because cities have way, way more government than a lot of other places that have a lot less government. You guys are minarchists. You said you were a minarchist. That's the most insulting thing that you can ever tell me to my face, Ian.

He just called you gay. I know. Worse than that. You said that social media needs a little bit of government oversight. Those are fighting words. Earlier, I think you were saying

about Twitter that... My goodness. Maybe you... are you indicating- I have a machete here. You're down to break up monopolies with government? Is that what you're, like you said earlier that you want the government to be involved with social media.

I love this show so much. Do you see what I have to deal with every day? Well, you've told me you're a minarchist. Every day. No, he's never said that. I've never said that. Yeah, to my face here like three weeks ago. No, anarchist maybe.

But no, zero government because then the corporations just take control. Oh my God. Oh my God. See three weeks ago. Anarchist maybe. But no zero government because then the corporations just take control. Oh my god. Ian, please read this for me. Do you think Klaus Schwab has not created a government? Are you going to talk about roads soon? He's going to be talking about roads. I would be happy to bring up public roads. He's going to bring up roads. Who controls the roads? It's me because I have the most

guns. Malish, you deal with this. One sentence. If you have a job that's basically a government but think about corporations can become a government if they're unchecked the only entity or institution anywhere for any reason at any point that could make a road is the government and dominoes well i think that well yes but that's besides and and porn hub and pigs a socialized government can protect free roads for people better than a corporation, in my opinion. But that's your opinion is you sound like Jason Whitlock. Your opinion's based on nothing. I love Jason Whitlock. Your opinion's based on nothing. We can look very quickly to

find out private roads versus public roads and how safe they are, how often they break down, potholes, things like this. And it's not even a cost. Well, hold on. You know, when when the government builds the road, there's a simple solution to the potholes. things like this, and it's not even a cost. Well, hold on. When the government builds the road, there's a simple solution to the potholes. KFC comes in and fills them and then puts the KFC... It was Domino's who did that? Oh, okay. Yes, what you were saying. I think the evidence would be that corporations are

authoritarian by nature. You have one person in control that decides who stays, who goes, and if they control a busy roadway... You do this. I deal with this every day. Your turn. A busy roadway, Now I'm triggered. You do this. I deal with this every day. Your turn. So a busy roadway, for instance, if Google owned,

you know, I-77. I'd rather talk to Kanye. Most people might agree with you. You have an opportunity. He's going to storm out. Yeah. So what do you do

if like... We got to both storm out. If Alphabet or Microsoft owned like I-77 North and then like tomorrow, we don't want any black people on that road. And you're like, where's our government to protect us from this psychotic corporation? Okay, so let's walk through this thought experiment. And I've never used the word thought more loosely.

What do you think would happen to Alphabet if they publicly said we are going to have a part of our company that is forbidden for use by black people. Forgetting lawsuits and discrimination law. Literally, what do you think would happen to that company? Antifa would show up with crowbars. The only thing that would happen is the stock price. Overnight. Let's think about this. Who controls the stock

market? What if people tried to storm the headquarters of Antifa overnight and they have armed guards outside that killed them all? And where's the government to stop that from happening? Okay, I'm talking about this peacefully. Forget Antifa. If a company declares we are not going to have part of our organization accessible to black people, do you think there will be no extreme immediate consequences for that company? I would hope that there were, but I think that when Vanderbilt shut off the railroads through New York,

there was obviously, there comes times where he had so much control of the system. I'm not talking Vanderbilt, I'm talking right now, 2022. A general boycott isn't enough because it controls so much aspects of society already. I think this is,

you don't even need a boycott because anyone who's a publicly traded company is there at the behest of the stock owners and the board. So if I am whoever's running Alphabet now, I don't even know his name, and say – first of all, I don't even know how they're going to get this planned through. But if someone – let's – Elon. If Elon Musk tomorrow says, all right, here's the new rule on Twitter. No one who's black can be on Twitter. And that even includes, well, what's his name? Sean, whatever.

Sean, Sean King. Sean King. Even Sean King. You're not allowed. Talcum X. Talcum X. Thank you. He's not allowed on Twitter.

The number of audience would implode. The number of news articles would be through the roof and the stock price would be nothing and all that money that he's owed i don't know how that would work but those banks would call in that debt yeah so you might be right because of the because of the emotional charge about racism you're right there could be reactions now let's take something more insidious black rock wants to buy farmland in the united states what if they buy it all where's our government protection do you okay do you understand what determines price? Ideally?

No, not ideally. Supply and demand. Right. So as literally. It's who, if they're colluding, they can, the government decides you can't stop, you can't set your prices. You know, we have protections so that the corporations aren't deciding what the price is. So if I am buying, let's suppose just eggs, right? The more eggs I buy, the higher the price of eggs becomes, right?

And then it becomes asymptotic, right? In like a mechanical system that's supposed to happen. But real estate is a great example of this. Like Austin and New York, as more and more people are trying to buy real estate, the prices are extremely quickly increasing, right? We know this. Taylor Swift tickets. Yeah, right.

I don't know how much farmland there is in America. It's a lot. But at a certain point, the costs are going to increase very, very high. And BlackRock, if they're not earning a return on their... I'm not a fan of BlackRock, by the way. I'm not saying this is something we should be applauding. I'm just saying there are mechanisms already in place

that the idea that BlackRock can buy America, I don't even know how much the cost of real America would be. It just would be insane. And I want to point out, too, your concerns about BlackRock are based on the fact that they get free money from the government. Yeah, exactly. Or just from the federal. It's not the government. I mean, it's the Bank for International Settlements.

So you want more government to deal with the problem of government. No, it's not the government. It's the Federal Reserve and the Bank for International Settlements that are supplying the funds to BlackRock. It's not the American government. We are in favor of treating the members of the Federal Reserve as war criminals. I think I can speak for Luke in this. Is that fair to say? Yes.

Okay. Private company. No, no. War criminals. They're not. The Federal Reserve is a private company. Am I speaking to you? I'm not saying they're not war criminals.

I'm just saying it's a private company. They're not a private company at all, and they should be treated like war criminals. Are you suggesting they're a government agency? I'm not saying they're not war criminals. I'm just saying it's a private company. They're not a private company at all, and they should be treated like war criminals. Are you suggesting they're a government agency? I'm not suggesting it. I'm saying it. No, the Federal Reserve is a private, it's a quasi-private public organization, but it was invented by J.D. Rockefeller,

John Rockefeller, Paul Warburg in 1913. Ian, this is the nightmare scenario of when you have this kind of corporate government intertwining where you have this almost like a Frankenstein creature that's half one foot, half the other, and no accountability, no liability. And that is exactly what anarchists like me and Luke

and anarchists of all colors of the black flag are opposed to. Because this is what Marx referred to as capitalism. Fascism. Now, I agree that fascism is the other end of the spectrum, whereas corporatism is equally as dangerous. Corporatism is fascism. It's just fascism with a better brand name. Fascism is going to end of the spectrum, whereas corporatism is equally as dangerous. Corporatism is fascism. It's just fascism with a better brand name. Fascism is going to bring government into it.

Corporatism could be like John Rockefeller owns every road. And now if John Rockefeller doesn't like it, you can't drive. Okay. That's bad. How is he going to afford every... Do you know how much every road would cost? Like even Elon Musk with $45 billion, that can buy you maybe the roads in like one city. Yeah, but they know the bankers

that print the money and they can but again that's the federal that's the federal reserve it's not american government that's different it's a private company the american reserve has given their power to it's total co-op of our government yes that is corporatism they're using government and to do this the government is the fall guy the american republic is legit what is their american a republic is the government guy. The American Republic is legit. What is the American Republic? A republic is the government. It's supposed to smash up monopolies. Supposed to is a blue-pilled word. Supposed to doesn't exist in reality. We have, you know,

antitrust laws to break up like Rockefeller Standard Oil at the end of the 1800s. We had to break it up. We have antitrust laws, so monopolies will play ball by whoever's in power. Even Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson, who were the first two progressive presidents, both explicitly said there are good trusts and bad trusts, meaning

the monopolies that do what we want and monopolies that don't do what they want. This is exactly a mechanism, just like Facebook and Google and other things. Biden will call you up because he's got these antitrust laws behind him or whatever other laws at his disposal and be like, you know what? We'd really like it if

you were censoring this misinformation. It's dangerous to our democracy. And they're like, oh know what? We'd really like it if you were censoring this misinformation. It's dangerous to our democracy. And they're like, oh, of course, we're doing it privately. But it's not privately because it's a complete collusion between the state and the free market, ostensibly free market. Do you think that if government were totally removed and it was just market, that it would work out, that everybody would be happier and wealthier? Not everyone. Certainly the politicians, it's going to be really hard for them when consequences will never be the same.

I feel like corporation tendency to profit over human goodness is like... You can only profit... They'll accuse people like slaves. You can only... Slavery is not profitable. It's expensive, number one. And besides, it's immoral. Would you be buying candy bars from a company that's built on

slave labor well the sneakers i mean i got this i got this thing it's probably built in a chinese lab yeah i think i think everything in here might be like not just everything but a lot of it's this table is actually american made locally okay cameras are foreign made by people in horrible conditions well that's a problem it is i agree that's why we make governments to stop that in my opinion that's the benevolence of government is that it can protect us but in fact over the past couple of decades the government has been colluding with foreign corporations to sell all of our jobs overseas to benefit china it's what nixon did with uh with rockefeller and henry kissinger it was an open policy, the open China policy that they implemented. So you got to understand, like, Ian,

at the end of the day, all roads lead to, of course, the government abusing its power because they don't need to provide a service based on any kind

of reputation or any kind of consequences. We're going to go to Super Chats. Oh, sorry to cut you guys off. If you haven't already, we just smash the like button,

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Balenciaga is for abusers only. If you rock it, we know how you get down. What's wrong with you? There you go. I was hoping to talk to Ye about that yesterday because he did a lot of work with Balenciaga. And a lot of people are being questioned about it, rightfully so.

And I think, I wonder what he knows from inside of the industry, if it's even sinister from there. But sadly, that didn't happen. Yeah. Raymond G. Stanley Green says, Tim, dude, everywhere I look, Tim pool this, Tim pool that.

I can't stand all of the week. AFBS out there. We have a nation to say, we have a movement to continue. There's no time for childish BS games. I'm kind of with that, man. I think forgiveness is the fever of the day.

So I want to point some forgiveness. I want vengeance. Are you kidding for what they did for two years? Maybe do both. Yeah, we could forgive them. That is full forgiveness. Vengeance and forgiveness. I think justice. i try to be careful with the idea of vengeance because it's so fun i agree it feels good yeah it does but um and if it feels good you should do it

especially if children are involved no that was the lesson of the day no no you know that song i mean it is episode 666 you know the song that makes you happy then why the hell is it so bad yeah i always i always heard that and thought about like just drug abuse and i was just like what is wrong with this person singing this like what is she saying that's true but i i know the song isn't about drug abuse but you know i just kind of was like there's a lot of things that make you happy they're very very bad for you what were you just saying before you got before michael derailed because you're about to say a point that I wanted Michael to hear. Which I don't remember. What was the super chat?

About everything. Oh, yeah. I was going to say that after the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, you know, the conversation was like, oh, do we try and book Kyle Rittenhouse? And I was just like, no. If they reach out to us, of course. He just followed me last night on Twitter. There you go.

But what I don't like doing is being like, let's be the first to get the big person. And then I just got to say, I am not happy with how things went down yesterday. And I wake up in the morning and it's like, I'm trending. I hate trending. I have never, you know, I've never trended. And it really drives me crazy because like all my friends have trended.

I'm such a loser. I know, I know. Everybody right now, if everybody right now tweeted michael malice just right now you'd be trending i'm a very very very little man in every in every sense of the word but um we we end up doing this booking because it was like hey we could have this big story on the show and it and it implodes on us and i'm'm like, I'd rather just have people in that we find are interesting and talk about the news. I didn't think it imploded on you at all,

to be honest. I'll put it this way. Our plan was not to have them storm out. You know what I mean? I thought we were going to talk about news and we just happened to have the people who are in the news here. And it turned into,

I feel like, yeah, he planned it. I really do. Because when we were talking beforehand he was calm the points i made during the show were similar points i had just made 20 minutes before you didn't raise your voice you didn't interrupt him and then he and i feel like people it's funny because people don't know what happened before the show so there's all these comments about what i did wrong and everything and i'm like the pre-show you know they're like you shouldn't have brought up that article about pence and i'm like i brought it up an hour before the show started there was there's a big screen right there that everyone can see and it was right there yay looked at it read it and then said

what did pence like betray trump is that what happened and then fuente started talking about what what january 6th and pence but bringing up pence was germane. Pence was condemning the dinner, so ask him his opinion about it. You weren't saying Pence is right, get out of my house. No, I said this is the news. There's a dinner that happened, tell us. And he immediately went into the subject

and it was very, very different to everything that happened before. Can you describe how his affect changed? Because watching him sitting here, he really seemed like he had a huge chip on his shoulder. Before the show, he was sitting here texting on his phone, minding his business. He looked up. He was calmly talking to Milo. He was smiling. He asked questions. Something came up about sin. Are all sins created equal?

And Milo said, certainly, some sins are worse than others. No one's going to claim. And then he makes a few comparisons. And then Ye smiles, and he says something of all sin sin and then he looks at the article he makes a comment it was very very calm and we were chill and we were chilling yeah he was talking about doing the show every every week he was like we got to do this more we got we should do this once a week and i'm like that could be hollywood talk though sure but he he brought up something about how i can't remember exactly what he's saying but it was about jewish people i said something did he say Jewish people or did he say the Jews? He said Jewish people. Okay. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, isn't that what, that's what I thought he kept saying, but whatever. He said, you know, Jewish people or something, very calm,

laid back, smiling. And I made a point about Bezos, Elon. I mean, these are wealthy people. And he goes, yeah, but come on, Elon works for the for the Jews right and then he looks at Milo and he says didn't they have him do that thing or whatever that ceremony or something very calm and even when I pushed back and said he's on Twitter he's unbanning people yay was chill totally calm camera goes on he starts going off I gotta talk about

this and don't interrupt because I'll walk out on your show I tell you very very different that's why if you look I'm like confused look at my face when he walks out i'm like is he walking out like because you were just i don't know you said i don't agree and he's like deuces it's like you didn't yell at him yeah but anyway anyway i don't want to keep rehashing this i just wanted to bring up the point that i i i'm i'm wary of doing shows like that because there are people who are like i want to get press oh yeah yeah yeah and so i was

concerned and i said i was like maybe him walking out made the story very big like i want to do a show where we talk about ideas and like we don't do drama we don't like drama and now like before the show started today we were talking about what's the big story to talk about and it's like you know ian you were like we're the news and i And I'm like, that's, you know, you're not wrong. I'm like, that kind of sucks. I want to talk about what Trump's doing. I want to know what his plans are. I don't know how that affects us.

And here we are in sort of a, I shouldn't say we're the center. Ye is the center. But we're on the edge of it. And it's our fault because we want to do a show that it turned into a PR spectacle instead of a conversation about what was going on. I think it's the natural evolution of the show as well, that it's just going to keep getting bigger and bigger. And it'll become more and more the focus of the human consciousness stuff, the conversations

like this, I think. You're right. Like Rogan. You know, Joe said, I just want to hang out with my friends and talk. And then all of a sudden his shows became the news. Yeah. And that worries me. And I'm going to play devil's advocate because it is 666.

I'd rather that be the news than whatever is going on in Anderson Cooper or Sean Hannity that night. I think it's much more honest. We'll keep bringing Super Chats because I don't want to leave you guys hanging. Deprived Dolphin says Project Veritas has a new video on federal-sponsored human trafficking. I saw a bit of it. Did you guys see some of this report? Like a whistleblower from the government talking about this stuff? I got to watch the whole thing.

I just had James on my show. He did a great job. It was a lot of fun. Oh, Keith? Yeah. Excellent. I'm excited they got unbanned. Did James personally get unbanned yet?

Yes, I believe so. I'm 90% sure. That was so egregious. It's crazy. And the creepy cultists who cheer that on. Good news, though. Good news, though. Is that episode out yet?

Yeah. On your welcome. Yes, on your welcome. All right. Bub Savvy says, Tim, Destiny thinks Fuentes would run circles around you in a debate. Hilarious. You should have Rosalind KD on the No Jumper Pod episode today. All think you're anti-Semitic, apparently.

Oh, because they didn't watch the hour of me ranting against anti-Semitism that resulted in people saying, we get it, Tim, shut up. Literally how, dude? Yeah, like we were complaining about all of that stuff, but they're not real people. And I'll tell you this.

We're not real people and you're not an anti-Semite? You all heard him. You all heard him. The trolls online are our drama baiters. Thank you. This guy, this guy, Michael Malice. Master drama baiters.

Let me tell you. You've seen my videos. Destiny thinks Fuentes would run circles around me in a debate. Oh, yeah, they probably would. I don't debate people. I don't. He prepares for this. It's all he does. I don't think I'm the smartest for this. It's all he does.

I don't think I'm the smartest person who can... I have convictions. I have beliefs. Sometimes they're wrong. Seamus, there's a really important point. I was arguing with Seamus on a show. Boy, was it embarrassing. I kept saying abortion means this.

You're wrong. No, you're wrong. And then a few days later, after reading it, I was like, oh boy, I was wrong. Wow, that's embarrassing. And then I came out and I was like,us you're right about i was just wrong but npr today dude it's so valuable maybe find out when you're wrong everybody's possible wrong i think everybody's wrong at some point in their life of course it's when you realize it that is so valuable for your mind here's my point i love you and so much someone who uh like someone who

is confident will win a debate knowing nothing over a scientist with a PhD in that field. If you are a talker and you can speak, you can make it sound like you are right. That's debate. There's this great debate, which I couldn't sit through because I was bored, with Bill Nye, the science guy, against the creationist. And the creationist knew what Bill Nye was going to say, whereas Bill Nye thought the guy was just going to be like, God put Noah, blah, blah, blah, idiocy. And the creationist is just knocking him out. And Bill Nye is like, say, whereas Bill Nye thought the guy was just going to be like, God put Noah blah blah blah, idiocy, and the creationist is just knocking him out, and Bill Nye's like, oh, what do I do? Well, Bill Nye's not really a science

guy. Correct. That's a funny thing, too. He's an engineer, isn't he? But there are people who are really good at debate, and you don't need to know facts to be good at debate, but it does help. And those people tend to become lawyers. Yeah, debate tactics. I'm looking them up now, but there's things like argument. That's a debate now. There's things like argument. That's a debate tactic.

There's awe. Is that a debate tactic where you can actually put your opponent in awe and then they back down? Yeah. Gishgallop, I think, is the best example. Yes. It's where you throw out a whole bunch of points all at once so they can't answer any of them. But if they only answer one, it's going to take 15 minutes. Exactly.

That leaves the others on the table. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So that's why I'm like, I like having discussions, you know, I'll, I'll invite people in. We'll have a talk. And if I disagree, I will say what I disagree on. And if I'm wrong, we had, um, Matt Bender here and I mixed up a city and I was very confident, arrogant about like, you're wrong. You had to, and I pulled up and went, whoops, the wrong city. You got me.

And then they clipped the video and they're like, aha, Tim's wrong. I'm like, yeah, I know. I don't think people appreciate at home how often if you're doing this live and the conversation's dynamic, you're gonna even just have brain farts and misspeak. It happens. Here's a good one. Mr. P says, episode 666 on the 333rd day of 2022.

How about that? Whoa. Okay. Does that mean something? Mechanical simulation, baby. Amen for Ian, it does. I got chills right now, and I'm not lying. Whoa.

I got goosebumps. And it's currently 9.45 p.m. I don't understand that. You know what that means? Four plus five equals nine. Oh, yeah. Three, six, nine. The sacred numbers, the universal numbers.

And it's 666 on the 333rd day at the ninth hour. What's 90 cut in half? 45. Nine, 4.5. I agree. That's 946 now. Let's dismember Ian. The numbers have spoken.

This was a cult the entire time? Yeah, man. I get worse at sitting. All right, let's see what we got here. What do you think happened to Lydia? Takfugi says, I wasn't very interested in Mouse's opinions, but then I saw his underwear ads in Malice's opinions but then I saw his underwear ads

in Times Square and I decided I would fight the state then I saw a cat and noticed I had Twitter notifications and now lost sheathunderwear.com

promo code Malice was it in Times Square? no oh okay oh he's talking about your ad oh okay he said underwear ads

in Times Square but it was just you should we put you up in your underwear in Times Square? I mean maybe when I get my cum gutters back I think you're going to be underwear ads in Times Square, but it was just you. Should we put you up in your underwear in Times Square? I mean, maybe when I get my cum gutters back. I think you're going to be back up in Times Square again, too. Oh, awesome.

We're doing New Year's Eve. Oh, heck yeah. You told me that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the whole tower. Yeah. That was very depressing going back to New York. I was very, very upset.

When were you there? Just in August to see the billboard that you guys put up. It really upset me. Like a lot. What was the worst? Seeing the billboard. His own face. If you think I'm ugly now, look at me when I'm this tall.

No, it was that I'd been gone for a year. This is the city I lived my entire life. And you would think there'd been a year to heal. And it remained exactly the same. Anything that had changed had changed for the worse. To have like 30% of the storefronts not be occupied and within 10 minutes or 15 let's say i saw someone peeing on a van in the street not in the sidewalk and people are like that's always been new york i've lived in new york all my life that's not been a common occurrence it was just corporate chains i was just back a couple days

ago too it's horrible yeah i hate it i'm just so saddened by it the curly afro says i have waited so long to see michael Malice return on Timcast just to say you, sir, are a national treasure that must be protected. Oh, that is so nice. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. How much did you pay him to say that? He paid a couple bucks. 50 shekels. Vacant Stare says, I prefer Malice's razor. Never a tribute to Malice,

that which can be explained by Hanlon. I like that. That guy's a brilliant razor. That was really smart. My fans are smart. Okay, okay. Keto Thor says,

Ian looking mighty cozy tonight. Thanks, dog. Yo, it's cold in here. Yeah. The heater stopped working. So like the AC gave out and then we got the AC fixed, but we didn't realize the heat wasn't working.

So now it's cold out. Now the heat's not working. So I'm like, I was texting the show like, yo, I'm didn't realize the heat wasn't working. So now it's cold out. Now the heat's not working. So I'm like, I was texting the show like, yo, I'm cold. These are some first world problems. Yeah, he was cold too. He was wearing that big coat. He was like, why is it so cold in here? I'm like, bro, I don't know.

You know why? Because we control the weather. It might be part of why I'm walking. In this room specifically. Like why I walked out. It was just cold. He's like, I'm cold in here. At this, I'm out.

Okay, what do we got here? You know where it's not cold? Israel. Oh, yeah. What's the temperature You know where it's not cold? Israel. Oh, yeah. What's the temperature like there? Perfect. It gets cold there. It's always perfect.

Is it though? Is it like a good 70 degrees? It's the desert. It's got to be super hot. One day, I want to take the Balfour Declaration, the creation of Israel. I want to have a long conversation about it in a safe place, in a place where we can talk about it online with people. I think that that place does not exist. Then we need to create it. A safe place to discuss that on the we can talk about it online with people. I think that that place does not exist.

Then we need to create it. A safe place to discuss that on the internet? I don't know about that. Yeah. Ian wants a safe space. Oh, maybe the government can build him one. Yeah, you'd like that. On their road.

All right. AI says, I've always said if the Dems were serious about investigating Trump, they would have a special committee on Epstein. What do they do? Investigate a fake dossier and a bunch of MAGA nobodies. Priorities. If they were serious about Trump, then it would have been Epstein first, but they're not serious about any of it. They're just going after political opponents.

Alright. One pissed off hippie says, the machine elf Michael Malice, please unblock me on Twitter. I won't call you a lawn gnome or share the meme. Please end my struggle session. What's his username? I'll do it right now.

One pissed off hippie. He's cool. Is it the number one or the word one? The number one. The word one? Is that his Twitter handle? Yeah, one pissed off hippie, number one pissed off hippie. Is that you, Ian?

No, no. That's Ian. That's Ian. That's Ian. That's Ian. That's Ian. That's totally Ian. I want to make sure it's the number one.

No results, it says. No results. Maybe it's the word. One. How do you spell it Tim is it h-i-p-p-y just

at me Ian and I'll with his username and then I'll block him yeah I'm gonna go for this and make sure it happens tonight dude

thanks for super chatting that alright Eraserhead says if YouTube and other sites lose the ability to do search doesn't the internet just revert back

to where everyone uses YouTube to host their videos, and those videos get embedded in the personal websites of creators and brands? Or, YouTube is a reverse chronological feed where people see the videos that were recently posted,

which will... Oh, like an Instagram almost. Exactly. Because they can't recommend the condition. When someone posts it, it'll appear if someone chooses to see it. I think that would be a good thing. Yeah, that actually would make a lot of sense a lot of big prominent people would disappear i guess according to darren b lex fridman would be gone really why because he's made the argument that youtube's algorithm is just forcing fridman on everybody in all fairness i mean you not you can't be surprised that one robot's gonna recommend

another robot aha yeah but uh it But it is an interesting point though. You go on YouTube and you look at these things and it's like instantly recommends Lex Friedman podcast. Yeah. Is Lex Friedman as awesome in person as he is on TV? I absolutely, Lex and I are next door neighbors, right? And there may have been times when I've never, I feel bad saying this, but I'll say it anyway.

My nest, my video camera looks at his house. So sometimes when I'm bored, I keep, I'm like, when is Lex Liefeld coming to alcohol? Why? That's weird. He'll knock on his window. Because I said I'm bored. And there was this one time where there was like this chair in the garbage. And I was like, oh, I wonder when he threw this chair out.

And then I looked and he actually went in the garbage can and made it stick out more. And I have to ask him about this but you know what you should you guys should do a funny bit where like you're watching his door and then he walks out and then he just like he walks out the door and it stops and slowly looks no no no tim this is the joke and i told this to lex i i hear when the garage opens because my office is right there. He had a guest leaving his podcast and he was saying goodbye to them. And I'm like, I got to get like a clan uniform here so that like when I hear him saying goodbye to guests, I like open the door. I'm like, hey Lex, how's it going? Like the wacky sitcom neighbor.

And he has to explain, oh no, it's just Michael. He's just like that. So if someone wants to send me a clan uniform to add to the seven I already have, yeah, that'd be really great no but lex is really one of he has for someone who is made of uh um string and wires he has like the biggest heart maybe of anyone i know i think they like bring you fruit baskets no he's very kind of keeps himself and i i really don't want to be like always knocking his door i want to

respect his space i don't like that kind of. But he really takes a lot of stuff to, he's very passionate about things. So this, this him online is a lot like what he is in real life. He's he, maybe he's like a lot funnier in person, like a lot more jokey. Maybe it's because of me,

but he really cares a lot about people. Something I can't relate to at all. Bro. Cody says, Tim, not that I'm counting or anything, but you're 0-2 with rap artists

on your podcast. Fair point. That's true. Have we had any other rappers? I could bring more. Tom McDonald, please come on the show. Give us one victory.

I could bring some more if you want. Oh, yeah, Luke. Luke was the one who wanted Kanye on the show. Hey, one pissed off hippie, tweet at me really quick so I can see your account.

And the other guy who, you know, with the slapping. Ready to rumble says, Tim, your chat has become toxic hater vomit. You know, people are allowed to say things even if they don't like me. So it's like, what do you do? If people show up and they get in the chat and they start saying that they don't like the show or I'm bad or whatever, I'm like, okay. But your chat's really dynamic. I mean, it goes very, very fast. I try to read all the chats.

We have to put it on slow mode. Oh, okay. And subscriber only. And so all the people who hate me are subscribing and they want to say they don't like me and they're allowed to say they don't like me.

Yeah, of course. Catch that check. During Occupy, I was live streaming and it was like all these leftists, like liberal people who were watching, of course. And then a bunch of conservatives came in and started smack talking and everything. The viewers that were like more left, we had like 2,000 viewers at the time on my phone. They were like, Tim, you got to ban these people.

You got to ban them. And then I just said, why would I ban them? They're allowed to talk. They're allowed to dislike me. They don't have to agree with Occupy Wall Street. They want to know what's going on too. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, this Tim guy's pretty cool. And they started like saying like, oh, okay, we're going to keep trolling, but we appreciate

that you're letting us. And I'm like, just don't spam guys. At the end of the day, you got to appreciate the trolls. Okay. I got a couple. No one's ever called you cool. I don't believe this story for a second. I bet you could.

It's not Tim cool. No. Not yet. But there are other words that rhyme with cool. That's true. Case case closed that's right so they've called me those things too i i've called you those things on this show there's a lot of people he calls me pimp tool off the air you know what i think the fool do you know what i think the funniest name for trump was and it

took them four years to think of this? Tronald Dump. I'm like, that's actually a good one. That's a good one. I sent you his Twitter, by the way. I think it's one pissed hippie. I'll just reply to yours. Did you DM me?

I just messaged it, yeah. Perfect. Jack Ryan says, Milo declared on your November 9th show, you cannot give people the First and Second Amendment unless they're Christian. You just can't. Those are rights that I, a non-believer, fought for and better men have died in war to protect

for all American citizens. He said non-believer? Wait, can you repeat that? I don't remember that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he said something like that. You said you can't call a non-believer Christian?

No, he said you cannot give people the First and Second Amendment unless they're Christians. You just can't. It was a quote. Or I think it was from him. He said said those are rights that i okay i think jack ryan is saying that oh okay i'm sorry i'm sorry milo said you cannot give people the first second amendment unless they're christian you can't then jack ryan is saying those are rights that i a non-believer

fought for and better men have died for to protect for all american citizens yeah i think a lot of christian beliefs are in our system our agnostic system so you can you can still run i don't know if you need to be a christian i i think literally over 90 percent of christians who believe in the second 95 percent would agree that everyone has the right to protect themselves michael what yeah it's episode 666 yeah on the 333rd day of the year yeah which equals 999. And I read it at 945, and half of nine is 4.5. And there were currently 54,000 viewers, which equals nine.

Wow. Herman Cain is spinning in his grave. Is he a numerologist too? No, he had that 999 plan, remember? No. 999. 999. Yeah.

Let's see. And then Michelle Bachman said, turn upside down. There's a German joke there. remember no oh that's nine nine nine yeah nine let's see michelle block with said turned upside down there's a german joke there pershelto lives says so sick of lex being shoved down my throat lex has the most boring vanilla opinions on everything that he does get recommended everywhere fine that's the point that's the point that we're making is that like the recommend like youtube he probably has more recommendations than any other podcast i i'm gonna i'm sorry'm sorry. I never thought, I'm not saying anything bad about him. I didn't think, well, that person is, and I'm going to, I'm happy to defend Lex.

I don't think he has boring vanilla pains there. I think his big principle and what he's doing well and supposed to do is for people to be kinder to one another, to listen to each other, one another, and to be less antagonistic and more cooperative. And I think that's a great message that i don't entirely agree with all right edward says ian rolled a 20 and malice deflected ian is right government by the community depends on the community dude lives in a fantasy and it's hilarious what well he's in awe he's in awe the debate tactic worked yeah thank you uh community government well they're like there's going to

be a form of governance no matter what correct i'm not disagreeing with that yeah troy ruberts has don't forget he has neither he doesn't agree with that either right there's a scope and scale of the current government that's the big problem troy ruberts says don't forget he has synesthesia and he sees sound do you in kanye i think i do too sometimes when Sometimes when I listen to music and play music, I visualize it. The note, if the note goes up, I visualize it on a line graph, and I can see it, and sometimes it'll become a three-dimensional graph. Oh, cool. Okay.

Yeah. That's interesting. Is it? I do as well. I see where. Fun fact. I'll explain it later, though. Red Vista says, just a point for the discoverability of your channel.

The way I discovered this channel is I looked up Joe Rogan drama when he was being canceled and just filtered search by max views and got here wow interesting people complain often that you'll search for my name and it's nothing but haters like people are trying to find this show and they find nothing but people hating on me wow and this has happened to other people i'm not going to drag into the conversation but other prominent people who are not establishment aligned are like if you get the establishment left channels ragging on you instead of the people actually trying to find the show. Wow. Yeah. I do think that algorithmically, if I type in someone's name, it should take me to their channel first.

Of course. And then. That's a no brainer. Yeah. Yep. All right. Track Media only says someone needs to tell malice that some people still buy iPhones. So, yes, people will buy products made by slave labor.

I think that point was made, right? You were like, oh, you know. Thank you for informing me that people still buy iPhones. Thank you for this new information. I'm not going to buy Apple. Not anytime soon. I'm fed up with Apple. You won't be able to.

Well, to be fair, I want to make sure I clarify. We have Apple devices here because we're building an app and we started building an iOS app. I'm not a big fan of Apple, but I recognize people use it. I would love to see X phone from Elon or something, but I prefer Android. I use Android. I got Android here. It is what it is.

Maybe you can make phone, P-H-O with the umlaut N. Just Foon. Foon. Foon. Yeah. Foon. Foon. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe

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