Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #688 Andrew Tate Victims Issue Statement, Lawsuit Getting Prepared w/Eliza Bleu

Episode Date: January 7, 2023

Tim, Ian, Luke, & Serge join Eliza Bleu discuss new accusations against Andrew Tate, the media slamming Elon Musk for child exploitation on twitter despite him removing it, a video of a woman being attacked on a train and men doing nothing, the banning of the book Gender Queer, and the Supreme Court deciding whether or not to hear a case that seeks to remove Biden & almost 400 congress members. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's lost 12 times. It's quite pathetic. He's arguing he is going to win when they come back. We will see, because apparently there's at least five people, not including Boebert, who are like never going to vote for him. Sorry, it's not going to happen. But if some Democrats don't show up, then the vote threshold goes down. He might actually be able to win even if they don't get the Freedom Caucus individuals who are holding out. But 14

other Republicans already flipped. But that's not the biggest news. We're going to have some breaking news to a certain degree pertaining to Andrew Tate. There's a bunch of news coming out now. They're seizing more of his property. And we're hearing there will be, we have a potential statement from victims. I don't want to say too much. So just bear with me on this one. And we're hearing there will be, we have a potential statement from victims. I don't want to say too much. So just bear with me on this one. And then we've got some other really crazy stories in cultural spaces that I want to talk about. One, this story I saw the other day, I think it was James Lindsay who posted it. Incels are becoming trans, not because they're gender dysphoric, but because they hold this ideology.

And I don't know to what degree all of them feel this way, but apparently there are some guys that think women have it so much better and they're small effeminate men that they're better off transitioning for social benefits even though they're not really gender dysphoric

or anything like that. It's a really interesting story. And then we'll talk about, was it Ashley Babbitt's mom got arrested? Is that what happened? even though they're not really gender dysphoric or anything like that. It's a really interesting story. And then we'll talk about, what was it, Ashley Babbitt's mom got arrested? Is that what happened? Outside, Marjorie Taylor Greene's yelling about it. So we'll get into all that stuff, plus more. Before we get started, my friends, head over to TimCast.com.

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as trying to expand, or I should say, working to expand our news offerings. So with the new studio launching, we're going to be playing around with like a morning show format. I don't know if the live format in the mornings is going to persist. What may actually happen is just working in the morning and doing more shorter segments or something. I'm playing around with it.

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Yes. Two years ago this month, actually. Oh, cool. Right on. Well, we have a lot to talk about. Yes. And I want to save it because we got some big news. So thanks for hanging out.

We also got Luke chilling. Hey, guys. My name's Luke Rudowski of WeAreChange.org. And I just wanted to remind everyone that if you need violence to enforce your ideas, your ideas are worthless. That's exactly what it says on my shirt. And I think the last two to three years definitely proved that if you agree with this larger

message, get the shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. That's the way you can support me for being here because you do. That's why I'm here. Thank you again so much for having me. And Ian is not here today. Sorry, guys. Sorry. I love Ian. Thank you for letting me keep the seat warm, but I'm shane cashman

and uh happy to be here and i write for timcast.com i'm the author of tales from the inverted world done a few profiles recently on kanye west and um carrie lake selection trial and thank you guys for supporting me and saying some nice words and we got that brunson trial that everyone's really excited about where people think the supreme court will kick joe b of office, which is just, it's not going to happen. But we'll definitely talk about that, too. And we can talk about the Cary Lake stuff because that article you wrote, the profile, was actually really, really great. Thank you. Thanks for being here.

And then Serge is here, of course. Yo, what's up? Serge.com. Pushing buttons, as always. Let's get rolling. Let's jump into this first story. And for this first story, we're not throwing it to a website. I'm going to throw it to Eliza.

Apparently, you've got something to say. Yes, I do. So before I say what I'm about to say, I just want to let everyone know that I serve these survivors speaking here as their survivor advocate. And to anyone that needs more information, I will be giving information at the end of this. So if survivors need to step forward. And as always, anytime I'm on a show, just know that you can reach out to the Human Trafficking Hotline at any time. I can also give that number throughout this stream as well. So let's get it going. So tonight, I might

use the word allegedly at certain points. This has been advised by legal. Not because I don't believe the survivors that I serve, but it's the legal way to do it, so let's get it going. This is an official press release. These are not my words. This is a survivor. As a survivor of the Tate brothers, I understand how difficult it can be to come forward and speak out about what happened to you.

But when social media gives us a glimpse into the extreme harm that others cause, I feel obligated to step forward and speak out against it. If these words can prevent one woman from being an alleged victim of Andrew and Tristan Tate, it justifies the risk that I'm taking. It can be scary, overwhelming, and you may feel like you don't have anyone to turn to. If you or someone you know is a survivor, know that you are not alone and that there is help available. By coming forward together, we may be able to find justice for ourselves and prevent these perpetrators from hurting anyone else. It is a brave and important step towards healing and finding closure. I know it can be hard to take this first step, but I promise you

that there are resources and people ready and available to help you through this process. Don't let fear or shame keep you from speaking out. Let this be a reminder that you deserve to be heard, to feel safe and supported. You have the absolute right to seek justice. This is a moment and an opportunity for any victim of these alleged perpetrators to stand up and together we can recognize vulnerability as power, see the strength in numbers, and shine light on strength of every single survivor. Signed, an anonymous survivor. The second statement. This will be survivor two. For women who have been victimized, we didn't know the game that was being played to hurt us. We know a game. We didn't know a game was being played at all. It's only after

it happens and you lose that you know, whether the lover boy method or some other way. Victims know that this game of deception is used in the court of public opinion today. To the people who've made assumptions about the victims before trial, I forgive you. I'm sorry. I won't ask, I won't ask, I won't ask those people to change their opinion for our sake. I would just ask them to consider one thing. What if you're wrong? Is it possible?

And if it is, you can wait for the court to do its job before attacking those who have gone about the correct legal process for justice. To all the victims out there, I know how wounded you feel. I have felt that way too. I love each and every one of you for being brave enough to move forward despite those feelings. You are loved and many know how strong you have been signed anonymous survivor so if you are a survivor of andrew tate tristan tate or any co-conspirators in this case i need you to visit the website ncose.com-E dot com. You'll see a click through. It'll go straight to the legal team that's representing these two survivors. And I have a message of support from a survivor of Epstein.

Survivor of Epstein Maxwell. Teresa J. Helm. My support, empathy, and immense respect to these courageous survivors brave enough, braving through the storm and coming forward. Each of these women have the soul of a warrior and the heart of a lioness. To the women coming forward and speaking to you, you are changing the world and halting the vile systems of exploitation make no mistake you are a hero you speak for so many that have yet to breathe life into their words you are taking your power back you are returning you are returning it to where it has always belonged within you

justice is a journey and i encourage you to to use each footstep to imprint your fierce will, fight back, demand accountability, drain the shame that was never yours. Whoo, that's cold. To the survivors that are currently developing your strength to take that first step of coming forward, we are suited up, and you have an army of warriors ready to lock arms with you and that's true take take the step reach out we are here to help you and build a foundation of your pathway to justice they they threw out they thought they thought they bury you break free break free through the barrier of silence take your power back with love. Respect to each of you. God bless you. Teresa J. Helm.

Teresa J. Helm is now working full time. And Nkosi Law will be representing the survivors, the American survivors and Western survivors in the Andrew Tate case. What do we know about what Andrew Tate was doing? What do we have in terms of hard facts? So just based off my relationship, I'm not going to speak too, too much about the case, but I will be posting those statements onto my Twitter account, at Eliza Blue.

Sorry, I cried too. At Eliza Blue, at E-L-I-Z-A-B-L-E-U. I'll be putting them there. And then survivors, if you missed the website to reach out, you can reach out there. What we know is that there are some folks that want to get some justice. That's what we know.

That's what I know. So just to clarify that these are two victims that are coming forward but they're choosing to remain anonymous and i'll tell you why and and i heard kind of two words here trafficking and lover boy yeah are those the main accusations and are they suing for damages or are they suing to get uh them arrested so really quickly um the survivors are remaining anonymous and this was like a last minute decision a day because of fear um and fear as a result that the legal team is afraid for their safety um and that's where we're at i'm afraid in the united states safety i'm afraid for my own safety even sitting here speaking about this um so that's where we're at with it.

So we need to make sure before those survivors step forward, if and when they choose, because it's always up to the survivor. You can be a part of a lawsuit and be a Jane or John Doe, right? But if and when these survivors decide to step forward, we need to make sure that they are safe. And this goes to any survivor out there that's listening. If you decide to step forward in this case, either as a Jane Doe or whatever.

So this is a monetary lawsuit then? If they're remaining anonymous, it's not going to be a criminal proceeding in the United States at least. We'll see where it goes. I mean, it depends on whom ever steps forward. You get what I'm saying? But I mean, if this goes to a lawsuit,

then it's a civil case where they can remain anonymous. If they can't remain anonymous and if it's a choice between life or death, then we will not have them step forward. It's always up to the survivor.

Now, you said you're not comfortable speaking about the evidence here. Can you say that you did see, did you see any evidence yourself? I'm not going to speak about that. If you can't tell us about this. I'm not going to speak about this. And are you confident,

like from what your information that you're getting, is this a solid case from your experience working in this kind of particular field? Because I know there's still a lot of things up in the air. We still don't know a lot,

but from your kind of understanding of how all this works, how do you see this case kind of moving forward? I believe the survivors that I serve, and I'll leave that there. Do you trust the justice system if it goes forward? It's the system that we have. So it doesn't really matter whether or not I trust it. It's the system that we have. Of course, I have my own opinion on everything, but I do everything legally and lawfully, and that's how we'll do it um i wish that there was a different system but i can't live constantly in utopia i have to take

action today the the main challenge i have first i want to stress have have there's a lot of people defending andrew tate and by all means i i have not watched everything he's ever put out but i have seen a portion of many different podcasts people have sent me. I don't take those with a lot of weight because out of context statements don't sway me.

Seeing a 30 second or even a four minute clip of Andrew Tate talking about something, I'll be like, okay, I'll consider that he said that. I'll have heard

that he said that. But without listening to the full hour, I don't like people being like, actually, I'll give you an example. I i bet people come to me and they're like did you hear what dave rubin said and i'll be like what did dave rubin say and they'll be like he said this thing and then i'll be like how do you know he said that someone posted a clip on twitter and i'll be like come on bro they post clips of me out of context all the time i don't know if i believe that being said andrew tate

tells this story frequently about how he had a bunch of women who loved him and he said I'm broke. Come here. We're going to make money. And then he started a cam business. So there's a few questions. The first thing I'll say is I understand why people are skeptical. We've not

actually seen any evidence from Romania other than accusations and to be honest, even the statements that you have so far didn't actually assert anything. It's just people saying they were survivors and they're looking for more people to come forward. Sure. So, I mean, that's the first step, I suppose. But for the time being, that's why the lawyers probably said, say allegedly, because we've not heard anything other than he convinced women to go and work for him and that it was exploitation and illegitimate, that he was a lover boy, that he was telling him how much he loved him, come out, and then actually was just putting him into these situations. So those accusations are there.

I guess people are saying outside of, I will say this, these anonymous statements, but also Vice put out a video that allegedly comes from witnesses. We have circumstantial evidence. The other thing I'll add to it is I can also understand why people are skeptical on this because we've not gotten any accountability from Epstein, despite the fact that that guy got arrested. Maxwell was convicted. We know there were people flying on his plane.

We know some of the people who were on his island, some of these names have been released and there's been literally nothing done on it. But then Andrew Tate gets raided. So people are asking questions. Is it that Andrew Tate gained power in a way that was outside of the Epstein group

and thus he's not protected? I'm releasing my own statement later tonight. Might clear a little bit of that up. My statement's a little different. My statement's come straight at the throat, but it's a little long to read on your show, to be honest. But like Andrew Tate didn't donate to Democrats.

Is that why he gets arrested? So I think there's a lot of people who are just like, we don't believe it because if they really cared about trafficking, they'd have gone after this whole list. I mean, like Luke named off a ton of people already who were implicated that they never went after. So this is why people are just like, I don't buy it. like i'm not i'm not saying i know i look i don't know anything about andrew tate only a little only a little bit right but i can certainly understand

why people are skeptical if you get a guy who comes out and tells people to break free from the machine get away from the matrix be masculine and then they're like they ban him from every platform then arrest him he's never said any he doesn't say anything that like luke doesn't say like i mean seriously like literally it's not like he's like reinventing the wheel and i don't want to get too much into his i i have no opinion on him and i i i'm gonna let the court decide i really will um and i'll go with that whatever but i mean literally it's not like he's coming out and like saying anything that's super groundbreaking or, you know, it's, he's not Julian Assange. Right.

You know what I mean? He's not Edward Snowden. You know what I mean? Like people act like, you know, like Tate's saying something new or unique. It's like stuff that people like Luke and I say on a daily basis, like any day that ends in Y.

If he did what he's accused of doing him and his brother, then he needs to be brought to justice. Yeah. But honestly, I understand why people find it hard to believe when there's zero accountability for the entire list of epstein's clients like the one that we haven't seen but i'm talking about you know bill gates flying on his plane bill clinton flying on his plane things like that and there's just no question don't talk about it get the f out and then not to mention you've got ftx where they're

trying they're going as light as possible this this guy. And obviously this guy's a financial-related thing. But these people in the club, they get away with everything. So it very well may be that Andrew Tate did bad stuff, but he ain't in the club. And he's been speaking out against the club, so he's not protected. As we know for many decades now, the federal government has been aiding and protecting some of the worst, atrocious, horrible behaviors. They've been working with big tech social media that also has been aiding and protecting some of the worst, atrocious, horrible behaviors. They've been working with big tech social media that also has been aiding and abetting it to the point where there's even victims coming forward and saying,

hey, there's these photos, there's these videos of me being an underage child, being hurt and abused here. Twitter looking at that, listening to the victim, still deciding, you know what, this doesn't violate our terms and policies. This is what happened here in the United States. Your tax dollars as an American went to aiding and protecting an international trafficking operation. We're off of the coast in the Virgin Islands in the United States. They literally had an island that they flew in powerful people,

and they procured small children to them. So obviously, this is a very important issue here. This is an issue that we can't forget this is an issue that we need to to fight for since everything that usually happens in our mainline political system is protecting these individuals and very rarely do we get any justice here now when it comes to this particular case i i know you don't feel comfortable talking about some of the accusations or some of the evidence here so So I'm just trying to frame some questions so we get a kind of bigger understanding here. If I could ask, do you know these victims beforehand? Did they come to the law firm?

Can you tell us a little bit about your background with them? And did you talk to them? And from like zero to 100, how much do you trust them? So I don't want to give away, it's really hard for me right now, Luke. This is a little different than the John Doe 1, John Doe 2 Twitter lawsuit. I mean, once things are filed, then I have green light to go. Right now I'm in limbo as a survivor advocate. I've been serving one of the survivors since summer, since this past summer. So I've been serving this individual

on a frequent basis as their survivor advocate, giving direct service. Anyone that knows what a victim's advocate is or is a survivor advocate. So I've been working with this individual on a frequent basis as their survivor advocate, giving direct service. Anyone that knows what a victim's advocate is or is a survivor advocate. So I've been working with this individual for quite some time. The other survivor is more recent. That's all I'm going to say about that right now. Just to not, I don't want to break any of their, I have to be very mindful of what I say because I don't want to give away any of their identities. But from your experience, you 100% believe them um i believe every survivor that

i serve but i also do my part in explaining due diligence i'm sorry explaining do i do my due diligence and explain any explaining due process yeah because some people are gonna you know take that question and are saying well if you believe everyone how do we know if someone's not you know using this situation for their own personal benefit and i could see that and i could see that um well number one they don't get any money from me and they don't get i mean as you can see they're not even coming out their full name yet by the way they will they these two survivors probably will we just need to make sure that they're safe um you have to understand we're we didn't necessarily know that the Romanian law enforcement

was going to move ahead with what they did right then. So it's putting the other survivors that have been building their case globally for a while. We're all in like hyper mode trying to not catch up but sort of catch up.

Sorry, go ahead. Why do you call them survivors? Why is that the terminology uh because i'm a survivor advocate no but like what does survivor mean or like is there of abuse or trauma does that mean that there's a hyperpens like the end result of the trauma or abuse is to kill them that's a really good point tim um i believe that anytime someone faces trauma in this way, sexual assault, domestic violence, human trafficking, that there is a high potential, especially in children, of their life to end right then and there. You never know how violent it's going to get. And that's, it's funny, I think sometimes people think I'm like, kind of a nut job, because I'm so grateful to be alive all

the time. I don't think they understand what I've fully been through. If you, anyone that survived that type of trauma is very grateful to be alive because sometimes I think about the times I could have died and I'm shocked that I didn't. So yes, they survived. They have survived the trauma. In legal terms, you say victim. Right. I think a lot of people take issue with the term survivor because survivor is like, you know, you survived a building collapse. You survived a murder attempt. Or you survived war. Yeah. And, you know, survive means to live.

Like, I guess I suppose I would define it as living through something which may have taken your life. You survived. You're a survivor of a shipwreck. So I guess the question is, and I'm not saying it's not true, you know, for a lot of these women, I could imagine that they do end up dead, especially when it comes to the more serious international trafficking. They'll get forced onto drugs, onto opiates, because it'll make them more manageable,

and then many of them do die from this. My concern is, I wouldn't say, based on the accusations, on the Andrew Tate thing, it's probably iffy. I think the issue is a lot of leftists, a lot of woke people, will call themselves survivors when it's like someone said nasty things to them or like they got into a fight in the street. You know what I mean? I don't like the word victim per se, though,

because victim means you're staying there. I see what you're saying like you don't want to be a language oh i hate it when people call me a victim that's one of my main complaints sometimes uh corporate press or other people on twitter will say oh she's a victim she's a victim i'm not a victim i'm a survivor so i i survived and i don't want to stay in victim mentality and i don't want to live in victim mentality, and I don't want to live there, and I've chosen not to, so what other word would I say? I'm someone who has experienced, you know, survivor's a shorthand for an individual who has experienced that specific trauma. This is interesting. We don't want to be victims. We don't want to live in victimhood.

That's part of the problem with wokeness everything makes them a victim so i can certainly understand someone saying no i'm not a victim i'm a survivor then you get people on the right who are like you didn't survive you weren't gonna die you know what i mean so it's like i i agree i wouldn't want to say victim either because you don't want to put yourself in a weakened state you want to you want to rise above and move forward with it right yeah i guess people are just asking you know what what is the nuance here is this related to kind of, because abuse takes many forms. Is this psychological abuse? Is this being a lover boy? Or is this, you know, running a human trafficking operation where you're procuring children or small people? What kind of degrees

are we talking about here? I think that's what a lot of people are asking. Let's break something down really quickly. I don't hate the term lover boy, but I kind of do. Lover boy is a, is a, almost like a slang for the coercive. Human trafficking is forced fraud or coercion for the sale of labor or sex. Lover boy would fall under the coercive aspect. If you are coerced into, you know, sex or labor trafficking, that would be sort of what the lover boy. The reason why I don't prefer lover boys is because women can be traffickers. So that to me, that's not a good,

I like to say coerced. If individuals were coerced into sexual exploitation, that's what, and I am a survivor of a coercive relationship too, unfortunately. I ran a poll and we have about 7,400, 7,300 votes and and climbing do you think andrew tate is guilty 84 said no okay i mean that's fine i mean even though survivors said just let it uh you know let the courts do their thing even though even one of the survivors said

that in in their statement but um you know i will this. To those who want to support survivors, please do during this time, whether it be myself, the survivors of Epstein-Maxwell, or the alleged survivors of Tate, please do because their supporters are very loud. The bots are very loud. And I think it would be very helpful if you're a supporter of survivors if you speak out i think the constant skepticism like this though is maybe a consequence of the oversaturation of false allegations from like a lot of the last few years and like i was telling

people when those were happening like the consequence of this is going to be when people do step forward no one's going to believe it anymore this is a tale as old as time people haven't believed survivors since they started stepping forward and they've only recently said you know my best friend and i let me just say real quick when alex jones was talking about epstein he was called crazy and a conspiracy theorist and now 10 12 13 however long it's been all of a sudden it's like well of course get whip out the alex jones was right jars. Look, man, I'll put it this way. I understand a lot of people like Andrew Tate, and they probably do because he's telling them to step up,

push back against the machine, and he's had several videos that we've praised, notably where he said, I really love it. He says, whether I'm happy or unhappy is irrelevant. If I wake up unhappy, I gotta do the exact same thing I would do if I was happy. And I'm like, that's a really good point.

He had another video where he said, you got to keep working. You can't stop rocket ship going to the moon doesn't stop halfway to chill out. No, it loses momentum and it falls. You got to keep going. People hear those messages. They're positive messages. He says, don't abide by the machine. Break free from the matrix. Take the red pill. Get away from this. He hasn't said anything that we haven't all been saying for literally ever. This is not new or groundbreaking information. He's charismatic. He's not bad looking. And he built a platform. And that works for a lot of people. I mean, yeah, sure. So I'm not even mad that there's somebody out there saying it. That's the vibe. I like that information as well. I'm i like that information but what we what we said you know earlier this week is i will look i will care about this when they actually go after

epstein and maxwell's client list no because this is this is to me that's ridiculous i don't care so no you don't you can do more than one thing at once and you could care about more than one set of survivors or potential crimes at once except i agree but what we're seeing here is this massive international and corporate press effort going after this guy and his brother sure while they have protected along with the government protected one of the most egregious trafficking rings we have ever seen and i believe that the survivors of epstein deserve justice as well. And I believe that all co-conspirators in the Epstein case should be held accountable as well. And so I've served, I've served. They're skipping over them. I'm sorry. I'm not going to give them an inch because they're skipping over Epstein and

Maxwell. What you're not understanding is that sometimes there is a trickle effect. There are still things happening with the Epstein case. And I want to remind everyone out there watching, every time you think that the Epstein case is done, more happens. And you got, you know, there's only so much that the survivors can do. And there's only so much that they, that there's only so much that the survivors can do, but they are still fighting. Trust me, this is nowhere, that is nowhere near done. You can't equate one case for another case. They're two totally different cases. So let's hopefully push for justice with the Epstein Maxwell case and that all co-conspirators are held accountable. But also,

you can care about another case and hope that if justice needs to be received. If we could get a little bit of clarification here, I also want to talk about the vice piece a little bit here. But we know what was happening with Epstein to a certain level, which was really, really bad. Outside of the legal perspective, what do you think was happening here with the Tate brothers? What do you think they were doing? How were they running their operation? What was really going on here from your perspective? I'm not going to speak about that.

Okay. I'm sorry. I'm very. No, no, no. I know. I know. No, no. Just so people understand the level of like, hey, what Epstein was doing

was extremely horrible and bad, right? I will say this. Taking small children that were like nine years old and then bringing them out to islands to have other powerful people fly in, do whatever they want. That's really bad. So how bad, from your perspective,

I know you don't have to answer it, but how bad is that related to Tate's? Abuse isn't like a, because every human's different, abuse can affect an individual differently. So it's not like, there's a word I want to use right now, but I just want to keep the show clean.

It's not a tit-for-tat game when it comes to abuse. It's not like one abuse is worse than one abuse. I've met survivors who were sexually assaulted one time, and it's harder on them. That one abuse is harder on them than survivors who have been sexually abused, locked up, chained for a very long time. So we don't play a tit for tat game when it comes to abuse. If you're abused, you're abused.

So why don't we just let everything happen the way it's supposed to, legally and lawfully, we'll i'm all i'm asking and i get what you're saying tim but there's a reason i'm not part of the machine i'm not part of the machine i don't even work for nicozi who's representing the case i know i'm i'm not part of the machine so if i'm sitting here saying i'm serving two of the survivors in fact i've broken bread with some of the people that are really super cool with Tate. So I'm not part of the machine. So I guess the real question is, are folks going to believe like, okay, Liza's part of this big conspiracy also? I'm not part of the corporate press. In fact, quick reminder to everyone at home, I just went through my

dregs where I've been getting dragged by the corporate press left and right. Before we move on to the next story, I wanted to talk about this Vice report that just also recently came out because they detailed how seven years ago he was also accused of sexual assault and tate released the statement about this specifically through his lawyer while in romanian custody saying specifically that the individuals accusing him were trying to go after money saying quote the police understood after the investigation that i am innocent and the police found messages from the girls phones where they were talking between themselves and planning to lie about me end end quote. That's what Andrew Tate said, according to the response of this Vice report that specifically detailed how he punched one girl in the arm and allegedly forced himself on another girl in a shower from one of the girls who was seeing it.

The woman also decided to remain anonymous here. But this Vice report is, of course course something that everyone is talking about and saying, this is not the first time he's being accused of something like this as well. Did you see that, that vice report? And actually if the survivors out there are listening, that step forward and that I appreciate your bravery and hopefully,

you know, I hope you get some justice as well. If it's, you know, that's, I really appreciate your bravery. And actually I want to say something well. I really appreciate your bravery. And actually, I want to say something else. I'm sorry for the way that the internet dragged you.

And I've been there and it sucks. And keep going. Keep going. And actually, reach out to Nicosi Law as well because we can connect you with some of the survivors. I want to jump to this story here, which it's in line with this. It's from NBC News.

They wrote on Musk's Twitter, users looking to sell and trade child abuse material are still easily found. A review conducted by NBC News found dozens of accounts and hundreds of tweets claiming to sell child sexual abuse material. I got to stop right there and just say this. Elon Musk takes over Twitter and immediately goes to task of cleaning this stuff up. For years, Twitter allowed and protected not only groomers, but active abusers of children. I'd like to point out that James Lindsay and I, James Lindsay got a permanent suspension for calling out actual grooming. I had two tweets removed because there was an image of an adult human male showing children graphic images. And I said,

they are grooming your kids. And Twitter locked my account. And actually, it's right here. Look at this. The prop we have from the Jack Posobiec gag says, Twitter suspends Tim Pool for calling out groomers.

Tim goes off. Now, Elon Musk comes in and almost immediately cleans up a good majority of this. All of a sudden, now the corporate press is like, on Elon Musk's Twitter, where was any of this reporting when this was going on under the nose of Jack Dorsey and Vijay Gade? Conspiracy theory. They didn't like this stuff back then. and this is why I think I do want to stay focused on now as we get into the Twitter story but I am not surprised that people hear the Tate story and they say

I don't trust it because you have the active protection from the press, from the legal department, from international authorities defending this stuff on Twitter protecting the Epstein client list and things like that. This is why people are just like, I don't believe it.

When they know what you don't like, the corporate press, they go after you with the same things that you don't like. Like when they went after Matt Walsh saying he was a groomer. And James Lindsay. And Lindsay too, yeah. James Lindsay went to a conference where he spoke in, I think you i think he spoke at the same conference as nikki klein nikki klein i'm pretty sure she was a member of nixxiom right i believe so yeah and so they are now trying they've been running this smear campaign with say james lindsey comma

a known associate of the nixxiom sex cult they met at a conference like it would be like you like you guys being associated with me because you're here talking to us about ideas correct that's why it's just it's really hard when the when the when the corporate press comes out and the these authorities come out and they're like well you know andrew tate did these things people's immediate reaction is bs if he if he was actually doing this and you cared you'd have gone after that client list and if you actually cared you would have gone after the people on twitter there is that j there is that James Lindsay's not saying that he does these things

where Tate does. Well, so... So James Lindsay's saying... There's videos of Tate saying he had women who loved him working for him, producing these videos. It was on his website.

So, I mean, that's the difference. James Lindsay's like, oh, let's talk about cultural Marxism. And so that's not his brand. Right. I'm just saying that NBC News right now is trying to accuse Musk of what Jack Dorsey's Twitter was doing. Oh, 100%.

Not even a question. And Elon Musk is trying to shut it down. Yeah. Well, number one, Musk inherited a crime scene. He inherited a decades old problem. And I use decade as sort of a benchmark. I'm sure I could go back further. But that was when the first piece in The Guardian that I've been able to find, there could be others out there talking about the child sexual abuse material problem on Twitter was a decade ago.

So Elon Musk purchased a platform that had a decades old problem. And now the corporate press, once again, first and foremost, I'd like to pull up every article that the corporate media wrote about this issue on Twitter specifically prior to Elon Musk purchasing this platform. How about every article from like, what was it, Salon and the New York Times that have been actively defending pedophilia or like the TED talk from that woman where she actively defended it.

There was recently, what was it, New Zealand? Is it New Zealand now? They're using the word maps. They're using the phrase maps. Like, yo. Scotland. Scotland. These people are groomers. it is obvious what they're

doing and why they're doing it and they're they're using this now against elon musk because accuse your enemy of what you do they're projecting yeah we saw the the cultural landscape we saw the groundwork being laid this this for this larger kind of grooming activity for a very long time and and it's so it's so insidious it's so dishonest it's it's so insane that there's corporate media outlets literally calling for the the excusing a lot of this behavior by calling it minor attracted persons a police department in scotland usually use that against a known pedophile um So seeing this and also seeing individuals like Yoel Roth, the former head of trust and safety at Twitter,

who literally wrote a thesis supporting children using Grindr. And now finally the corporate media has a problem with this kind of behavior because Elon Musk is in charge of Twitter. That's bull crap. They were aiding and abetting it for such a long time. And this goes along with, I don't know, let me know what you think, but this goes along towards a larger agenda trying to normalize a lot of this sick behavior. I fully agree. That's exactly what I think it is. I wish I had better news for everyone. That's exactly what it is. No, I'm serious. Because if they can make the world so sick and depraved,

what have we become as a society? We won't fight back. If we won't fight for children, we definitely won't fight for our own freedom under tyranny. I was talking to James Lindsay at Turning Point USA, and then we went up on stage and James brought this up. It starts with Drag Queen Story Hour. And then when you come out

and say drag is an adult inherently sexualized performance, they go, no, no, no, no. These are just people in costumes reading books. It's like if they were just like a fairy princess. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Drag is effectively stripping and burlesque. Okay. It's like burlesque and not appropriate for kids, but they're only reading books. Then they graduate to drag queen all ages. Drag, you know, all ages drag show. Now they're actually

doing the burlesque but it's just, it's a dance show with a costume change. Then you get San Antonio. Sexual, and in Florida they did it too.

Bringing kids out, talking openly and overtly about sex, simulating sexual activities, because the whole process from start to finish was grooming. Then you have social media promoting degenerate behavior, showing a lot of outrageous content, especially in people's user feeds,

especially on Instagram, of some of the most borderline pornographic content that you could even imagine. And then you have, of course, porn. That's readily available, free for everyone. As long as you have an internet connection, you could get to it. And a lot of children are getting it to it. And it's rewiring their brains in very negative ways, over-sexualizing them, making sure that they can never have a strong family unit. And when you break down the family unit, you have more people being victims. You have more

people being picked off. You have more people being on their own and left in a more vulnerable situation. And I think there's many layers to this and we could keep compounding it and we could keep connecting the dots, but there's a lot of freaking dots. I know people with kids in elementary school who saw some text messages about these young kids talking about being in polyamorous relationships. glamorous relationships i mean i guess my question actually i'm in a room with men how do men feel about the world headed in this direction it's anti-human but what i guess at a certain point i do kind of wonder when the men are going to do a thing. And I know that makes me not a feminist or whatever, and I'm not. I only am out here doing what I do because there's... Let me not get myself fully...

If there were... I don't want to be doing this job. I don't want to be protecting women that are being abused. I want good men of the world to be protecting these women. But because there aren't enough out here, I have to be out here. I agree. But what are men going to do? Or maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know. This is like a question that I haven't fully thought through. It's a good question. The men in this room are the men who call out Epstein. Okay. And Luke, of course, longer than, I think, the rest of us. Yeah, shout out to Luke. I didn't know about all your hard work before I came last time.

I remember I didn't know. And now I know, and I appreciate that. It was furious seeing VH1 promote Epstein and everyone in the alternative media screaming about it. And it wasn't just Jones. It was a lot of other people, a lot of independent journalists, including also the Miami Herald. Shouts out to them.

They were one of the few organizations out there, Mike Cernovich and the Daily Mail, surprisingly, one of the few organizations that first started to actually talk about this in a very serious way. But first, it was independent media before anyone else. And I just want to say,

I was ragging on the Daily Mail earlier because they're obsessed with Meghan Markle and Prince, was it Harry or whatever? But equally, they would not shut up about Prince Andrew during the Epstein stuff. And I'm like, that I like. So here's my point about the men. If you look at the polls, the polling, Vox found that like 45% of millennial men vote Democrat.

And then like 55%, just shy of 55, vote Republican. Whereas for women, it's about 70% Democrat and like 28% Republican. Cause there's like some, you know, like green party stuff in there. I think you have half of these guys who are weakened, effeminate, bottom of the bell curve guys who will not stand up, defend the people they love and care about. They will not be masculine. But I must admit, as much as I have disdain for these guys, I have more disdain for the system that tells them masculinity is bad and to be ashamed of being masculine. And that's one of the things we see here. So it's interesting. Phil Labonte just hit me with a good Twitter comment.

He said, legal and local. Legal and local. What does it elaborate? In terms of dating? Yeah. That's the solution, legal and local. I hope that's what he was referencing to. Otherwise, I'm putting words in his mouth.

I think one of the reasons that people don't want to believe anything about Andrew Tate is because this message of opposing the machine plays into a larger picture of the machine is telling men not to be masculine, which in turn is resulting in men not protecting women and children. And the machine is telling, is advocating for hardcore degeneracy.

And so I think for a lot of people, I'm not here to accuse or defend Andrew Tate, but I think what I see from a lot of people in the chat when they're split on this is if this guy at the very least is saying exercise, workout, be strong, be tough, and break from the machine, the end result of that puts a stop to a lot of this, whatever it is he's accused of doing. You know what I mean? Sure. So Ghislaine did a lot of nice things too she was at a i mean you so abusers like a serial killer isn't a serial killer like 24 hours a day seven days a week so i'm not saying that some of the things yeah yeah you should work out and eat right no no you should break free from the machine and you should um you know i'm not saying every man

has to be a masculine man because that's not a thing that i believe but i mean and you should um you know i'm not saying every man has to be a masculine man because that's not a thing that i believe but i mean yes you should work out and eat right you should break free from the machine you should break free from the matrix or whatever you should be red pill white pill past all that you know but um you should also not abuse people i think a lot of the problem is a consequence of what luke was saying about the family structure being destroyed and a lot of people today a lot of men today don't have father figures. And they're raised with the government being their parent, the colleges being their parents. If they have a stay-at-home mom or dad, that parent is out all the time. So they're kind of being raised by,

I think, mostly bad people. But also when you're not strong, when you don't have a family unit,'re vulnerable and the predator class which is made up of a lot of psychopathic politicians and billionaires out there preys on a lot of individuals who can't defend themselves who are not strong enough to do so or if they are victimized they're not going to be able to go to anybody because they have no family member in order to protect them or even report that they're missing i do get what you what you're saying though tim it's okay sorry no, I want to pull up this story. This is from the New York Times. This is from about a year and a half ago.

As a woman was raped, train riders failed to intervene, police say. And this was just the first story I was able to pull up. About five years ago now, I think it was five years ago, I did a video on my main channel, men are refusing to help women and

children it got millions of views and it was just like this 15 minute thing of me talking about there were a handful of stories one a woman was on a train and some guy started getting in her face schmoozing on her and being really aggressive and no man would intervene and then she was really angry and she was like why wouldn't any man stand up for me well there's a lot of reasons why they won't do it another story i read years ago this may be like 10 years ago now at this point, a guy was in a store and there was a journalist who was in a store, saw a child crying with no parents, seemingly lost. And she said, I saw a man walk up, walk towards this kid, looking at the kid, concerned, then

stopped, looked around, turned around and walked away. They ran up to the child, like this person, and got a security guard to help the person. And then the reporter said she then ran to the man and asked him why he turned around and didn't help the kid. And the man said, because I would be accused of having kidnapped that kid and I don't want to be involved. That is a crazy prospect that we have this story from Philadelphia where a woman was being raped on the train in front of people. And what did they do? Most of them just said, leave me alone.

Some of them started filming. No one did anything. There's a lot of reasons why men are outright refusing to help women. One, I think some men have disdain for modernity, that we're in this era of toxic, masculinity is toxic, women can do whatever they want and, you know, without consequence. That's how they feel. I'm not saying it's true. And so you'll get a guy who's probably watching him and be like, screw him.

I don't care. Not my problem. Whereas there is an inverted, I was just watching the imitation game about Alan Turing. And it's such a BS because he didn't crack Enigma. I was reading up on it. It was like some Polish guy actually who did, but he built the machine. But anyway, he's trying to recruit this woman. And she's like, it would be indecorous of me to come and work for his majesty

because it would be around men. And so then he's like, you can work and be in the women's dorms. And then he can't go to her place because he's a man. That's the alternative, right? A society where the men and women are separated. When the men are overprotective, you get that. When the men feel like they're not allowed to protect women and children, they'll be punished, imprisoned, or insulted for being masculine. You get the inverse. Is there a happy medium? Or what do you guys feel about this? I'll just say, like someone super chatted, we're not allowed to protect women and children anymore so why would we and i'm

like what can i say to that yep and your cops don't even protect you look at duvaldi if i'll tell you this if so if so maybe this woman's being maybe women maybe um women have given off an impression that we don't want to be protected or loved or looked after. Maybe that's the problem. And maybe it should be up to each woman what is the best for her. I think that's important. But I've come out and said it. I want to be protected.

I want to be loved. I don't want to be out here doing this alone. I don't want to be fighting these demons and ghouls alone. It sucks. I'm scared. I actually am scared i actually am scared i'm scared i'm gonna get killed i think a lot of people have a problem facing that darkness and they choose to just turn away i think a lot of uh our society is promoted like widespread i've had a lot of fathers yeah tell me they can't look they can't look at what i'm thinking about what i'm talking about when i'm posting but i i don't want to you struck something in me tim and i don't want to forget it i i do understand why people are very skeptical of these stories you should be a little but not

to the point where you harass survivors what can i do as a survivor as a public survivor and as an advocate to at least maybe convey the story better. I don't know what I can do to make people believe. People don't believe my story. Evidence. But what evidence are survivors supposed to bring? Because it's like we bring evidence and it's always not enough. It's never enough.

It's like always something. Well, look at Amber Heard. Okay. She writes this op-ed where it's never enough it's like always something well look look at look at uh amber heard okay she she writes this op-ed where it's vague and you know she has this narrative that johnny depp is the bad guy and then the full story kind of comes out and it's like well they're both kind of ish heads to each other but she was definitely being abusive towards him and so what happens is you have this long-standing it's been a decade or longer, you know, believe all women. And our legal system is built upon innocent until proven guilty and the right to confront your accusers. Yes.

So immediately people take issue with anonymous accusations without evidence. I mean, that's especially with Julian Assange being falsely accused. That pissed off a lot of people, especially the anti-war movement, because then they dropped it, and it was fake to begin with, and they used it as an excuse to lock this guy up for a decade and prevent him from doing his work. Assange was accused of rape.

A lot of people don't know this. No, no, no. He wasn't even accused of rape. It was like... But that's what the corporate media ran with. The corporate media ran with Julian Assange, rapist. That was a huge story that, of course, allowed the general public to be like, yeah, he's guilty.

Yeah, maybe he should be in jail. And then they put him up in solitary. And then he had to run away. If this story about the train in the New York Times, here's the problem. If a guy on that train grabbed the man who was raping that woman and stopped him, then he would probably get arrested and charged. Yeah, he would. Yeah.

He would. But I think what's important is that we're having this conversation, right? And I actually, I have a question for the audience. I got a question. Let's try and figure out how I can phrase this for you guys. Put a one in the chat if if you would attack the rapist to stop him knowing you would get locked up in jail and put a two in chat if you would not want to risk your freedom in life for a random woman did that work did that that makes sense yeah i think that's good question actually i think the truly masculine the real masculine is a man saying let them let them come i'm not

letting this man hurt this woman that's that's in line with the come and take it you will try to aggress upon me you will try to infringe upon my rights but i will stand firm on what i know to be true but there's gonna be a lot of people who are maybe more cynical. And I don't even mean this in a disrespectful way because I can understand it where they're like, dude, if they want to keep advocating for this and voting for it, if 70% of millennial women keep want to be voting for these policies, why would I go to jail for them when they asked for it? And I mean like ask for the policies, not obviously to be attacked.

So one of my rules is that I'm not... So sometimes... Yo, it's split in the chat. It's ones and twos. Sometimes I want to... the policy is not obviously to be attacked so one of my rules is that uh i'm not so sometimes it's split in the chat it's ones and twos sometimes i want to uh so it's difficult as a human to hear some of these stories especially about children and not want to seek vigilante justice so i understand those who do but i am of no use if i'm in prison or jail because i decided to go out on a freaking larp and do do things the, you know, whatever way. But so it's like you're on a train and a guy grabs a woman and throws her down.

Yeah. And he's on the train raping her. And there is people saying like, if I intervene, not only will I get hurt, but I'll get arrested. I'm not doing it. That's crazy to me. Like, maybe I'm wrong.

I've never seen a sexual, I mean, I don't, well, let me make sure I'm not, I don't think I'm wrong. I've never seen a sexual. I mean, I don't. Well, let me make sure I'm not. I don't think I've ever said I've never been in that situation. So it's really difficult to know what you would do. I mean, does this gentleman have a knife? Does he have a gun? Like, is he?

I mean, what are we talking? You know, this is why I'm an anarchist, because number one, you see how big he smiled when he said that? I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. This is an argument to be made here. It's not a perfect argument, but the police are slow to respond. This happened in Philadelphia where people can't defend themselves. If a woman was able to have a gun and be able to defend herself, these larger sexual assault crimes, these large rapes wouldn't be happening as much as they are happening, mainly because a lot of women are left defenseless and the one way to have this equalizer is to allow people to be able to defend themselves which is illegal in places

like pennsylvania which is absolutely crazy but um again there's been so many instances of police officers watching people getting stabbed getting hurt and just not doing anything not responding so i just want to i want to add to uh in terms of the chat and the super chats, the debate, the people who disagree with you, but other people who are making other points. I'm really digging this. Like, everybody who's commenting saying, you're wrong, I disagree. Everybody who's commenting saying, I can't believe people wouldn't help her. Everybody who's saying, like, you know, how could you if the machine is going to come against you and this is what they're voting on. I think the discussion absolutely is just is just fantastic.

So but it's good. It's good that we're having these conversations. Talking about it is better than and also one of the things that I love is when you think through these situations before you're actually in one, because these are all things that could happen to you in real life. This is not a movie. This is not a movie. This is not a test. So you should be thinking through in advance what you would do.

And much to what Luke was just saying, I am a fully armed survivor of human trafficking. No two ways about it. No, no discussion. Yeah, absolutely. And I encourage, pardon, no, we're not going to talk about all that. More personal liberty and more ability for human beings to be able to defend themselves equally against criminals who will always have firearms and weapons.

It took me a while to get there. I had a conversation with Maj Ture because I was always very scared of guns. Maj is great. Oh, yeah, he's great, isn't he? And I had a conversation with Maj Ture and my mom and I went and we got geared up for her 60th birthday. So it was really fun. But and now I feel very empowered and and I feel ready. I just don't want to be abused again or any have anything happen.

And I feel like that's the only great equalizer. And training. Don't forget to train. You have to train a lot. Yeah, that's part of it, too. You know what? You know, the terrifying reality, I think, that's part of it too. You know what? The terrifying reality I think is the people in these cities

like Philadelphia would prefer more rape victims and less dead rapists. And there's an interesting idea there. I don't want anyone dead. But think about,

I was thinking about this in terms of guns. If this woman on the train had a gun, even like a Derringer with like a, you know, .22 in it or something, this guy would have gotten off her real fast and he'd probably survive. But there's a reality that one, a woman should be able to protect herself if a man is trying to take her.

She should, I believe she should be allowed to use whatever force necessary to protect herself from that man. But this would mean that man dies. Now, the left's argument, you see it all the time. There was like, I can't remember the story, but there's been a bunch of them where a guy was like breaking into someone's house and he got shot and killed. And they go, you didn't have to kill him. You know, you could have let him victimize you. And then it's just like, why is it incumbent upon the victim to assume

they're going to survive the attack instead of using whatever force they can to try and survive the attack? So the logic of the left on this tends to be they would rather the rape victim get raped and survive because it means both people live than the woman not get raped but then kill somebody. You see what I mean? Like, that's their logic. Okay. There was a guy like robbed a liquor store and then he got shot and killed. You see what I mean? Like, that's their logic. Okay.

There was a guy like robbed a liquor store. And then he got shot and killed. And they were like, but you didn't have to kill him. You didn't have to kill him. And the guy's like, he came in with a gun to my liquor store. I thought I was going to die. No, he was just robbing you. He was just robbing you.

This is the sad reality. I don't want anybody to die. Yeah, you don't know until you're in that situation. And if it's a life or death situation. And it could be. And it very well could be. You don't know what level of insanity you're dealing with. I don't want to live in a world where it's the victim's fault or responsibility for having been attacked. I think

if you are being victimized, you have a right to defend yourself with whatever force you have available to you. And I think you have a right to keep and bear arms. That means, in this circumstance, that rapist would have died. And that I gotta be honest, I don't like this guy at all. Or had his nuts shut off. For sure.

Or seriously injured. I don't want him injured. Look, I want him stopped. And if the only way to stop him, because women have less muscle mass, less bone density, is to be armed, and that means this guy gets shot, I would rather the woman not be raped and this guy gets stopped. But it is horrifying to be like, there's an end result where someone gets hurt. Well, you know what? Don't attack

people because it is your fault. My view is if you're a rapist who attacks a woman and then you get shot, you should be criminally responsible for that bullet to yourself because you initiated the aggression. And with how incompetent police officers are, or lazy when it comes to prosecuting or actually getting actual justice here, that's going to be maybe one of the sure ways to actually get some kind of redemption here. If you are committing a crime, and then someone dies in the process of that crime, you, the criminal, are responsible. So, for example, you and a friend, or let's say guy a and guy b rob a liquor store liquor store clerk shoots and kills guy b guy a in many states will get charged for for for that like there's other circumstances too

probably a better way to describe it is if you're in the act of committing a crime and a bystander has a heart attack and dies they will charge you for you know in the act of committing a crime and a bystander has a heart attack and dies, they will charge you for, you know, in many states. Interesting. My view of this, if you are a so I don't care who the person is. If you are a criminal and you're attacking a woman or or anybody and then you get shot, you should get charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, even though someone else shot you. You you started it. It's your fault. Maybe that's a little aggressive, but I don know if the if the law has actually stopped the crimes

i actually just kind of feel like if these cities allowed people to keep in bare arms i actually i think philadelphia is not good at pennsylvania tends to be ain't nobody's going to attack a woman if they know she's strapped yeah but they're promoting lawlessness with this not have to be strapped yeah but but that would be nice i agree like but i know it's not utopian i can't live in like yeah i get it i mean there are evil people in the world regardless of what happens or whatever laws put in place you have to be prepared to defend yourself and even 200 years ago it was bears wolves coyotes yeah there was always danger but in ancapistan, Ancapistan.

There always is danger. Things will be a little different. I mean, there's nothing getting rid of danger. I mean, bad people will always find a way to have guns. Not people and not danger. I'm saying we'll deal

with things differently. Did you ever see that video, Luke? We probably talked about it where the guy's playing the game City States. Have you ever heard this show? Yes. We talked about this many times

and it proves what I've been talking about for a very long time. It's a video game. It's real life, okay? It's a video game where you build a city-state, buildings, factories, apartments, housing, etc., and you set policies.

More taxes, lower taxes, more authoritarian, with police, less. And so this guy, I think you guys are going to know who he is because it's such a good video. He's like, I'm going to get rid of all government, no taxes, just let everything go crazy. It's going to be a crime-ridden hellhole.

So eventually, he's like, wait, what's happening? There were ski resorts everywhere. There was zero poverty. Everything was a skyscraper. Every citizen was super wealthy. And he's like, what's going on? How is this happening? There's like no government.

Thank you. Can we try this experiment once? And even when it was practiced somewhat, like in Singapore or in Hong Kong, especially with the larger financial ramifications of a laissez-faire kind of government, we had that. We had prosperity.

We had so much people progressing and getting wealthy and getting rich and helping each other and so much less poverty whenever the government doesn't intervene. And when they do, they're just acting like thugs just acting like gangsters getting a cut of their money screwing everyone else over and this is why

i think the biggest enemy towards humanity is big government and we should always try to be pushing against it as much as we can i think that's still possible with like the population we have now who is so like subservient there's gonna be a messy period where there's gonna be a lot of people winning darwin awards but maybe they deserve to win darwin awards right and no no let's be real i understand like would you rather have people win darwin awards or would you rather have uh you know the federal government use your tax dollars in order to send small children to private islands so so uh people could go there and do something else what's the lesser of two evils um you know waging war nuclear holocaust we could we could get into bio weapons we could get into it what's the lesser of two evils? Waging war, nuclear holocaust. We could get into it.

Bioweapons. We could get into it. What's the lesser of two evils? What's going to lead to less harm, in my personal opinion, what I'm describing? I just want to stress this again. The people who are chatting, super chatting, arguing, and very defensive of Tate, the people who are less critical of him. I just got to say, I feel like this discussion is one of the best discussions we've had on a variety of issues, to be completely honest. Like, again, agreed with all of the people who are disagreeing and arguing in defense of or against.

Like, this is, this feels substantive. No, I, and I love the conversation. This is the thing that people don't realize about me. Regardless if it's good or bad or if people are talking trash on me or talking about my story or whatever. I'm just happy we are having these conversations. We used to live in a time where a survivor, if they wanted to release a statement, would have to wait for the corporate press to care and then green light it for it to maybe be in the back of the New York Times. Now, I'm a survivor of human trafficking who serves survivors, came up here on independent media, told you folks, and now it's out to many people, and we can all talk about it,

but we're still talking about human trafficking, domestic violence, sex abuse, child abuse, child sexual abuse material. We are talking about these things, and let me tell you, it makes predators big mad, predators down bad, and abus abusers down bad and that's the way it should be you know i think that before i was searching for this answer like well where are the men well maybe it's you gentlemen here giving me the platform to have the conversation so that we can keep the conversation going and other survivors don't feel alone maybe that is what men are doing and maybe i i wasn't seeing uh the full vision well men should also be protecting women in public as well like that's

the that's obviously not happening like these train stories but this too the conversations let me pull up the story uh this is a tweet from npr highlighted by libs of tiktok who said that npr is big mad that genderqueer is being banned. NPR wrote, in 2020, the book Genderqueer received multiple honors and was headed for a fourth printing. By spring of 2022, it topped the ALA's list of most challenged books. And you know why? I can't show it on YouTube. The NPR article doesn't show it.

There are graphic sexual images in that book. And Amazon listed as 18 plus. Everybody knows we have it right here. Yeah, check it out. It's right there. Ian got it.

And I can pull up the image. There's a few in here. Oh, wow. You know this one, right? Yes, of course. I know this one. I can't even.

I know. That proves that we're in dystopian world. I am looking right now at I can't even show it but but you guys mostly know and this is the crazy thing because people need to see they need they need to see this book was being given to kids and so this whole thing this book not only do I believe its intent is to groom children by exposing look they say it's 18 plus on Amazon but they are giving it to grade schools.

And that's why it's being challenged. Introducing kids to kink. It is not reproduction. It is not sex ed. It is kink advocacy because they're showing toys and prosthesis and things like that to children. This is part of grooming and radical gender theory, which is resulting in,

as we were just talking about, men not protecting women. One, the attack on masculinity. You know, masculinity is a fantastic thing. And so is femininity. They are, they are, it's yin yang. They are two pieces of this great puzzle of the world. They complement each other. But for some reason now, I mean, I assume, I know many people can just assume the reason the narrative is that one side is extremely awful and bad no matter what. And so what you end up with is men who don't want to be masculine. They're being told to wear dresses. They're being told to be effeminate.

And this results in men not standing up and protecting women. It results in women then being victimized. It results in women then advocating for a world and policy and law in which they have no protection from males. And so it's akin to gun law in this way. In the city of Chicago, you can't have guns. Like you sort of can. It's very, very difficult.

What happens? Rampant gun crime, people being shot left and right. But good, innocent, law-abiding people can't have guns in terms of radical gender theory it results in good humbly masculine men being unable to stand up for what they believe in to protect women and children and even other men and it results in the most toxic and evil men exploiting and taking advantage of women with with with no hindrance it's anti uh future i think i've heard heard Luke say this before, and I agree with him when he says we're more in a cultural revolution

in terms of Mao in the 60s with China. And when I see this stuff, what they're doing to children, I see it as a way for them to destroy the future. Mao destroyed the past and a lot of Chinese culture, language, art, statues, stuff like that, to then recreate the future. And then by destroying the innocence of children, they are literally destroying the humans of the future. And that's so scary to me. Because I'm watching kids, young kids who are inheriting

nihilism from their parents who refuse to stand up to do anything against the bad stuff. And it's just like, well, you're screwed. Because how do you fix that? How do you fix nihilism in a nine-year-old? You know what? I view myself as a positive nihilist and there's negative nihilist. Let me explain. So I can give you a very rudimentary understanding of nihilism. Basically, like how would you describe it? Nothing matters. Total meaninglessness.

Total meaninglessness. But hold on. Hold on. I don't disagree with that. I take it to a positive place. Meaning is what you decided is. Life has the value that you ascribe to it. If you, so I had this, I had this phase when I was younger where I was like, what's the point of anything? Where does this all go? And then I thought to myself, if this doesn't go anywhere, then there's nothing holding me back from trying to do the best things I can in terms of what this world considers to be good, like positive and constructive. And then I meet a lot of people, a lot of left activists especially,

who are negative nihilists. Nothing matters, so why don't we just burn it down for fun? You can think nothing matters. I have no problem with that. It's what do you do next? For me, it was like, if there is no inherent mattering to anything,

that means we assign that value. We decide. And if I decide, I'm going to decide on good things, making people feel better, giving them good long-term solutions, longevity, family, life creation, exploration. Those are all good things. I'm with you on the positive nihilist thing because I'm the same way because I see a lot of meaninglessness in the world and I'm finding meaning in my family and in my own religion that i'm working on but like i think what we can agree on is we see a hope in people whereas the negative nihilists want to destroy people and themselves and that's where the anti-human anti-future comes in and i think the positive nihilists as rare more rare as it might be, I'd imagine, like my view of the world is I wouldn't call it absolute nihilism. I would say I do see a lot of things as being meaningless, but I do think there is meaning to us, why we are here, why humans exist. find myself more in agreement with a staunch conservative, like a Christian or religious

person who genuinely believes in larger purpose and something bigger than themselves. I'm like halfway there. That's why I say I believe in God, but I'm not like religiously theistic or anything. If you are someone who believes there's no meaning, but that if that's the case, we should be the best people we can be because we made the meaning. Like if you don't think there's a God or morality and you think nothing matters and then you decide from that, I want to make sure everybody lives the best they can because it's up to us to decide. I think that kind of person is going to be more aligned with people of faith and religion

who are of a similar. Now, I'm not saying everybody, every religious person is a good person. Right. Oh, yeah, of course not. No. I'm saying the good people of faith and the good people of positive impact will work together with smiles on their faces.

Despite my nihilism, even it might be mostly positive, I believe in free will. And I think a lot of people who are negative nihilists are determinists who believe that there's no, everything's set out for them.

So there's no point to their life. And I know those people personally. And I argue with them on the ideas of free will and determinism i think determinism is another anti-human idea that means you're stuck in whatever path you're in and there's no point these people have no fight out of their negativity it it it bums me out oh yeah it's like i told this story you know at occupy wall street there was this prominent writer and we had a converse like they were nasty to me and they were smack talking and then we talked in private is this woman and she was very much just like oh I don't care about anything I'm a nihilist it's just fun and I was like well look like I agree with you that for a lot of people like you look through life you look at

everything and you ask yourself to what end if I do this then what if I have kids then what if I build this then what what's the point why not do what? If I build this, then what? What's the point? Why not do something else? And I was like, so I take from that the desire to build something positive that has a good result that grows. And she goes, yeah, but if it doesn't matter, then isn't it just fun to burn it all down? And I'm like, not really. People suffer from that. And if there are people who do have meaning in life and you're causing them pain, is bad but this was the mentality of these like antifa types oh yeah that's why they

don't care to throw a brick through a window it feels good and who cares it doesn't matter anyway right i'm into seeing the establishment burn like that's fine to return a type of power to the people what you say no i mean that wholeheartedly yeah but like i what do you say burn the simulation down well yeah because i... What did you say? Burn the simulation down? Well, yeah, because I don't believe the simulation like how Elon believes it. In a video game. I mean that they've put an organic organism simulation on top of our base reality. And that should go because it's stripping us of our free will.

You say in a video game, but I just want to point out like... Maybe we are in a video game. If it was possible... It's possible. I've said that a lot. Okay, look. If it was possible to set a fire to the code that is the universe, we'd be in very serious trouble if someone could... Burning down the simulation is a figurative statement that just means...

It depends how you view the simulation. Maybe the Large Hadron Collider is a way to burn down a type of simulation. It'd be funny if the Large Hadron Collider is like, there's a bunch of global elites who genuinely believe we're in a simulation, and they're trying to manipulate code. They're trying to like, I mean, that may be a way to view it. It's like the code of the universe. They're trying to manipulate it. Anything's possible.

I've talked to people who've opened up portals, who said they've been with portals who bring in beasts through other dimensions. So I don't know. I've heard some crazy ayahu opened up portals, who said they've been with portals who bring in beasts through other dimensions. So I don't know. I've heard some crazy ayahuasca stories. Yeah, right. And how much of that is in their minds and how much is like, is that really beyond the veil or whatever? Do you think there's a layer to a lot of this, a bigger kind of abuse stuff when it comes to the spiritual war that's happening out there? Because we know there's people like Brina Brovomich that do spirit cooking.

We know that there's a lot of rituals. We know that there's a lot of also individuals that believe in kind of a satanic order. Have you seen anything like this from your line of work or have anything to kind of add to that? I have not. So I don't really just by happenstance. It's not that I don't haven't tried or actively tried or not tried. I know individuals who have experienced abuse with some of that, but I haven't served any survivors specifically that have faced that type of abuse. I think the survivor that actually had the organization that saved my life, Eve's Angels, kind of delves into some of that. There's some survivors that I know, like Rose McGowan kind of comes from a darker childhood.

We're friends. But do I think it's evil? Yes. Do I think there's something dark? Like a deeper energetic spiritual war to all of this. Of course. I think there is. I think there's a plethora of a lot of evidence.

As I get older, things start to feel more like demonic and like holy or light. When I was younger, I genuinely was like, there's no such thing as good or evil. There's just people of different perspectives and views. And then I get older, I learn more, I travel more, I've been to other countries. And then I'm just like reading these stories and I was like these people are evil and it's it may be hard to understand because it oversimplifies but I think you get old enough

and you look at the behaviors of certain individuals and you realize there is nothing pure there is just malintent it is a darkness within them this is why individuals like you know Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates were connected together because they believed that there was too many people on this earth and that they were both eugenicists. They all believed in, of course, having a class of individuals.

Epstein was doing a lot of human experimentation and a lot of scientific projects, especially when it came to him cloning a large portion of the earth. A lot of weird stuff was going on. Yes, he had one of his scientific experiments that we actually know about was that he was trying to get as many women as he could so he could impregnate them at the same time in order to spread his genes everywhere. So that's literally what these people are up to. That's literally some of the thinking that goes into it.

Some people say it's because they just have too much money, too much power, too much control, and they just do things in order to get some kind of feeling and effect from it because everything is meaningless to them. Or some people say that they've been overcome and taken over by larger spiritual demonic forces that they're acting on behemoths of, and they've been kind of hijacked by them,

and they're kind of doing their bidding. So whatever you may believe on this particular topic, I think there's a reason that they do have a lot of these kind of ceremonies, a lot of these kind of larger actions, a lot of the times bragging about a lot of the stuff they do in plain sight. I think there's, you know, I could go further down the rabbit hole, but I don't want to do that on this show. But it gets, the rabbit hole gets a lot deeper than it goes here. There's a few things that brought me back to believing in God years ago. But one of those things was when the Epstein news broke, I was like, this is the most evil thing that I could

imagine, like in my time with the kids and stuff, that if there's something that evil, there must be a counter, a good, you know, a balance to that. Because in nature, I see balance. I see, you know, in the seasons alone. So that was like a big moment for me when I remember it was like a beautiful day too. And I was just like, it became so dark when I really went down that rabbit hole and investigating that story. So I think it happened for a lot of people. I think it really, I think that story broke a lot of people. And I think that's why we sort of saw, and I understand why.

I mean, it's devastating. It's horrific on a scale unimaginable. But I think that sort of breaking of the mind is sort of why a lot of folks went down a roll of following. I don't want to get you in trouble. QAnon. Yeah. like went down that because their brain broke and they were like if that isn't true if that happened then what else is happening

you know one of the things and I know Luke will understand this like Epstein was really bad the United States government will bomb millions of children and keep wars going you know kill millions for a paycheck will bomb millions of children and keep wars going, kill millions for a paycheck.

So, I mean, Epstein, absolutely horrible. Many, many survivors globally, many that we will never know their names. Think about what our own government does as far as... I consider our government like a serial killer. Well, worse. Yeah, I mean, on a massive scale. And we fund it. Because I always think of Tuskegee, you know, stuff serial killer. Well, worse. Yeah, I mean, on a massive scale. And we fund it. Because I always think of Tuskegee, you know, stuff like that.

We fund it. It's sociopathic. The thousands of survivors of the UN globally, at the hands of the UN, you know, child exploitation, sexual exploitation, and we fund them. 22%. Humans at... 27%, sorry. It seems like humans at scale become sociopathic yeah i mean look the u.s certainly is better than basically everything else we've seen throughout

history we've done tremendous in this country for advancing civil rights yes you know different groups and uh we have a great degree of freedom that many countries have never had but that's that's thanks to the initial seed planted of this country. And you look at all the, you mentioned Tuskegee, MKUltra. I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot. We're really messy, aren't we? Oh yeah. It's bad.

Aren't humans messy? But you look at Stalin, you look at the communists, you know, I wonder if it's powerful sociopaths rise to power and just like, I shouldn't say sociopaths, but people of no empathy in general.

People who just don't care about you, who view themselves as God rise to power and then cause mass harm? Or is it just that when the machine of humans collectivizes

and becomes too big, they just have tremendous power that causes harm in various ways without accountability and without care? Right, it's probably both. I think I mentioned this

when Bryson was on, but we talked about Unit 731 with Japan, what they did to people, which is atrocious. I'll give you an example. They would take someone and stick their arm through a hole into subzero weather. So their arm would freeze while they were still alive inside. Then they would pull their frozen arm in and shatter it with a hammer. Yes. I believe that this section is something else that they would open up someone, watch the organs work, and then make them eat themselves. But what I was going to say is there are people in there who are probably just part of the system who get chewed up on both sides, obviously,

but then there are people in charge. I forget his name, but he ended up becoming a giant CEO of a big pharmaceutical company. I forget what it was at this point, but it became a huge one in Japan. So I think there's a mixture of greed with those people the power and then they just have a lot of people that they um they can control it's crazy stuff man oh it's evil angela mcgirdle from the libertarian party put up a super chat yeah she gave you a shout out did she yeah yeah that's one of my besties oh that's awesome yeah shout out to you angela and actually shout out to my cousin nathan

he's a big fan of yours tim sick all right on he saw me on the last i should tell you guys this That's one of my besties. Oh, that's awesome. Shout out to you, Angela. And actually, shout out to my cousin, Nathan. He's a big fan of yours, Tim. Sick. All right. He saw me on the last, I should tell you guys this story. He saw me on the last episode, and he didn't know anything about any of this whole thing. And we were at his mother's funeral, and he's rather shy, and we haven't talked a lot. But we don't have any beef.

We just don't talk a lot he's a pretty shy person and um it was at his mother's funeral unfortunately she passed away and the first thing i think he's ever really said to me that was like he was like saw you on saw you on tubecast that was weird i was like yeah that was weird but it was kind of cute because we had a bonding moment on such a rough day yeah and um so yeah

that's been one thing that's kind of been weird about stepping forward is like now my family knows everything and uh but let's

I'm sorry you should finish the thought sorry no you're good I was about to ramble and you probably saved me okay so thank you actually Tim

but let's talk about Elon and Twitter before we go. Because folks might not know that story. And it's pretty awesome. Which one? What happened? Let's do that. The fact that I worked my butt off for two years to get Twitter to make changes and begged and begged.

And I did it all by myself with no government help and no money and no support from any organization. I did it all on my own and got the attention of Elon Musk, who purchased the platform and then made the issue priority number one. I think it's a good story. Did you have silence from the previous Twitter administration? Jack Dorsey did help me out a little bit, but it wasn't enough. And yeah, Elon Musk has been absolutely incredible. He's been gracious. He's been kind. He's gone above and beyond to support me and to implement new suggestions. And I don't know what this new hit piece is about, but I can just assume it's in the least favorable light. And I don't remember them doing such deep investigative

journalism while I was out here screaming for the past two years. Two plus years, actually. But it was really learning about the story of John Doe 1 and John Doe 2 that sort of set me on that crusade. And I'm so grateful to Elon Musk for even listening to me and starting to implement some changes. Yeah, right on. You mentioned, Q, I wanted to pull up this story from the Salt Lake Tribune. These Utah brothers want the Supreme Court to remove Joee biden from the white house and reinstate donald trump the u.s supreme court could decide on friday whether or not to hear a long shot lawsuit that

alleges members of congress broke their oath of office by certifying the 2020 presidential election now i'm sorry if this comes off as dismissive, but long shot is an understatement. Not because, I'm not making an argument on the merits. I always think that merits should be heard out. And sometimes that means summary dismissal. Sometimes it means discovery. Sometimes it means summary judgment, whatever. But the idea that, what are we looking at? The idea that 387 members of Congress, the president and vice president, would be removed by the Supreme Court is just so far fetched. I do not believe there is a reality in which that could happen. OK, obviously, if there's infinite realities, it happens infinite number of times. But I'm just like,

as much as it, I mean, I wish. How amazing would it be if like come Monday, the Supreme Court's like, we're going to hear the lawsuit. And then they bang the gavel and they're like, you're right.

Congress dismissed, president gone. And then we have no Congress and we have no executive branch. Luke? Sounds pretty good. One could only dream. Right, right, right.

I think anything's possible. I don't know anymore. The last five years have proven to me that literally anything's possible. But this does seem like an evolution

to a lot of the Q stuff where people, I had friends, I would go over to their house and they'd be like, all these people have died and I think they're in Guantanamo. And I'm like,

I don't know about that, dude, but maybe. Well, I don't trust these news outlets. Like the Salt Lake Tribune says it's making accusations of fraud and all that stuff. Maybe. I just don't trust these news outlets like the salt lake tribune says it's making accusations of fraud and all that stuff maybe i just don't believe them yeah because i think there is actual grounds for a lawsuit based on procedural elements of the 2020 election that

is to say is universal mail-in voting constitutional some of these questions never got resolved in many states texas v pennsylvania never even got hurt i think it was texas v pennsylvania was the major lawsuit and the supreme court refused to hear it so there never even was an argument about whether or not anything that was going on was constitutional i think the court should hear that if that is the basis for this i certainly don't see a reality in which four 300 and nearly the entirety of congress is removed i think i think 75 of this country would be in favor of that. Isn't that kind of crazy? Approval for Congress is so low that if they held like a convention of states

and a referendum on like just removing and restarting Congress, I bet it would pass. Probably. So I'm seeing a lot of people cheer the last few days, which is exciting in terms of not voting on a speaker, right? Yeah. You know, I see people I'm friends with who disagree with

me on certain things politically, but we can all enjoy that. Because it's just stalling a place that I think seeks to harm us anyway. Well, at 10 o'clock, they are going to reconvene in the house. And then Kevin McCarthy is claiming he's going to win. So we'll see. But I can say this, whatever ends up happening with the Brunson thing, I'm going to go ahead and bet probably nothing. I think the Supreme Court will not hear it. If they do, I will be very surprised. But regardless of what you think about this case, I think it's fair to say that there is something deeply wrong with this country. And that we all recognize it, whether the left recognizes it or the right does.

The establishment, there is something deeply wrong. And what that solution is, you'd think would be a rages of grievances through a lawsuit, but it seems like none of these things ever have an impact. And the argument from the machine is always they're meritless. And it's just like, come on, man. You know, as you wrote about with the Carrie Lake stuff, the judge ruled against Carrie Lake, she's appealing, but there was evidence presented that needs to be accounted for. That is to say that why were the tabulators rejecting ballots?

Because they were 19 inch images on 20 inch paper. So they couldn't go through that creates a problem. And you can't just be like, oh, well, don't worry. They dropped it in a ballot box and it got counted later. And it's like, okay, so let's have a conversation about how at, what was it? 72 locations. Yeah. Someone changed the images on these printers.

Yep. Like there's- That they just started talking about on the second day of trial. Exactly. And they denied it happened in the first day. Right. So if the end result is that there was one guy who went around going, and pressing the buttons, lock him up.

But they just ignore it. That's the problem. Even the courtroom couldn't run things technically like proficiently it's like if a small closed system like a courtroom couldn't even get like uh hdmi cables right what makes you think all these elections are wait wait you guys still have faith in government you think they're gonna do something good for you it's it's like i'm trying to i know i don't have faith in government but it's like I'm trying to keep faith in people. But I'm having, I'm losing faith in people because I even think if we remove the government, like I was saying to you about moving on to an anarchist.

I know, but how? You'll get there. Because I'm surrounded by people who truly worship the establishment. The argument I would make is because psychopaths usually flee to the biggest positions of power. This is why government is a vector for them, and we should always push back against them. Sorry, I thought you were raising your hand trying to say something. No, I got a tech deck.

Yeah. I usually take it with my left, so I'm using my right. I agree. But, yeah, the other thing about that trial that was upsetting is, like, I was also kind of having flashbacks to the summer of the riots because even if you have evidence, even if they show it in court, a whole country could look at it together and half of them could just not believe the evidence. Even if it's a video showing these things not working, people would be like, nah, don't believe it. And it's like the problem isn't about the evidence.

It's not about the system really because now it's really about just how we view our ourselves and the world and i that's where i'm like my pessimist nihilism is starting to creep in because we're not in a good place there totally same i'm so white-pilled about the future i so that's good because i was going to ask you like you you talk to a lot of survivors yeah how do you keep hope in when you hear all these dark stories? So there's evil and there's darkness in the world, but there's also a lot of good in the world. And good and light and love will win in the end.

And unfortunately, not everybody will make it there with us. Not everybody going to make it, but it will win in the end. And history has shown us this repeatedly over and over again, no matter how dark things are. Some will make it and good and light love will win the end and it doesn't stay bad forever. I love that. I want to ask one quick question

before we go to Super Chats. I was just thinking about this because I'm seeing people chat. My question is, and it's not just for you, but for anyone. Can a woman choose to be a sex worker at the request of a man?

Can you say that again? If a man asks a woman to be a sex worker working for him and she says yes, is that a legitimate choice she made? So the woman is over 18 and the man's over 18. And is there coercion? Is there coercion? Like when you say ask. Just we'll put plain and simple. A man goes to a woman and says, I'm going to create a cam business. How would you like to be one of my cam girls?

And she says, yes. Is that a legitimate choice on her part? It just depends on it. It depends on the entire breakdown of it. And by the way, everyone's going to have an opinion on this, and many people won't agree with me. I believe that an individual can be a willing adult entertainer, but that would have to come from inside the individual that wants to be a willing adult entertainer. Um, as far as someone asking, like, if you said to me, Hey, Eliza, I, um, need an extra host on the show. Will you come be a host on the show? I could then choose.

But I, if, even if I didn't ask you to be a host on the show, then I would still be choosing to be a host on the show. Does that make, I don't know. So, so here's the reason each situation is going to be different. So if coercion, if forced fraud or coercion is involved, it's human trafficking. If it's not involved, then it's not human trafficking. Even if it's just having you host a show? No, no, no, no, no.

No, I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to mix the two with the camming. That would only be labor trafficking if you used forced fraud or coercion to get me to work for you for free and you kept the money. So for free? Free or a little bit of a pay. So this is what I was getting to because someone someone said in the chat, regret is not rape or something like that.

And others made the point that if women chose to do a job for someone, the reasons they chose to do the job aren't aren't material. And so here's what I was thinking. I made a tweet that got a lot of attention and I thought it was hilarious.

I said, if sex work is work, then can an employer require his staff to service him as part of their job? I remember that tweet, Tim. But here's the problem. I remember that tweet. It's a real question. It's a real question that they can't answer and that's why they got mad. Because clearly, sex work is not work. Sex work is sex work. So no means no. And if an individual at any time uh expresses that they're not comfortable they should be allowed to go or allowed to stop without i'm going back to

the original question just to be clear um but as far as coercion goes it would depend and some folks identify so do i think someone can willingly do that work yes so i think folks can be coerced into doing the work yes so that would be up into the that would be up to the individual doing it and in the case of a survivor stepping forward or victim stepping forward we would let the court decide if it was coerced so was that person able to leave at any time right so anytime Anytime? Right. Anytime? Yes. So would it be coercion if I said, Shane, move from California to West Virginia where you will have this job hosting this show and don't worry, we'll make sure you have a place to live. And if Shane was like, man, it's gonna be really hard for me to move.

Don't worry, man, we'll take care of you. Then he gets here and I say, I want you to take the garbage out now. Otherwise, I'm firing you. Is that coercion? It would depend on the nature. I mean, there's a lot of variables there. I don't know. Was that part of his job that you agreed on? This is my point. If you go to a person who lives in Canada and say, move to the United States, you'll be on a work visa. We'll pay you X amount of dollars. We'll give you a place to live and you will do job A.

Yes. Then they arrive and you say, you know what? We also want you to take the garbage out from now on. And they say, hey, man, I didn't agree to do the garbage. Well, if you don't do it, I'm firing you. You can't. But if you fire me, how am I going to get back to my home country? Well, it's too bad.

You should have thought of that. Like, is that coercion? Are they holding the papers? Are they restricting them from walking out the door? No, you can leave. Good luck getting a plane back to Canada, though,

and finding a place to live once you go back to your country. Is that coercion? Maybe you lured them there under false pretenses, but I would let the courts decide coercion. I don't, to me,

that doesn't sound coercive. It is coercion in a way, but not in a way of human trafficking. So what if a guy said to a woman, come work for me and be the host of a show. Yeah. We'll pay you. Then she gets here and they say, as part of your job, you'll be performing sex acts. And she goes, no.

Well, then you can get out. You're fired. And is that coercion? Yes. So this is my point. The only difference is the action. If the action is something like physical labor, you say, well, maybe it's for the court to decide. If it's sexual, hands down it is.

That's my point. Sex work is not work. Sex work is clearly distinct. Sex work is clearly its own category. Well, that would also possibly fall under sexual harassment. That would be a couple different crimes, but I'm not going to— This is the point I was making to the left. When they come out

and say sex work is work, they are basically saying that whether you are performing a sex act or taking out the garbage, you're doing work. And then that's why I asked that question.

No, that's not true. Because sex is clearly in a specific protected category. I mean, like acts of sexual nature that taking out the garbage is not. You go to a lawyer and you say, I want you to take out your garbage. If they say no, you can fire him. You cannot go to a lawyer and say, I want you to start performing gratification on another person. That's illegal. So as much as many of these leftists try to make

that argument, it's just not the case. And that's why I agree with you. Telling someone to come out for a job that's like juggling bowling pins, and then when they get there, you say, you also got to clean the floors, and they say, no, well, then you're fired. Yeah, well, too bad you got fired. But if they say, come out here to juggle bowling pins, once they get there, they say, now you've got to perform a sex act. Okay, now you're into that trafficking, like

you're in that coercion territory. Happens a lot. More than you'd think, actually. Yeah. I don't know. The switch up happens pretty quickly, too. In the blink of an eye, and especially when you're scared, it's hard to just walk away. It's interesting that it's a more, like, that view is more conservative. The leftist progressive view tends to be that sex work is just work, and who cares? Unless and until you advocate for that to be applied to the labor market.

And then all of a sudden the 50-year-old fat slob has the right to incorporate in his smoothie-making position sexual gratification. Well, it's just work. That was kind of my point. Like, if you think it is just work, and I don't, then why couldn't an employer say job description for store clerk? Ringing up the cheeseburgers, handing out the bags, and giving blowjobs. Speaking of conservative, folks should go to my Twitter account

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molan labe, things like that. Let's read. The Great Treasure says, if you want to be traditional men, women need to be traditional also. I think that there is a, I saw that gender bell curve where they, so it's bimodal, like there's some overlap in the middle. And that's how I feel.

I am totally fine with women having jobs. I'm totally fine with men being stay home dads. But I think that it's like, we don't want the absolutes. We don't want a complete inversion where men stop working and become effeminate and women become overly masculine because that destabilizes. We want people to be free. So not as rigid as things were 100 years ago, but we still do want to recognize, in my opinion,

the differences between males and females, masculinity and femininity to a great degree. Do I still get to keep my hair short? That's the question. Do I get to keep my hair short? Of course. All right, here we go. We we're gonna get into the contentious nature of those who some love tate some hate tate david robinson says tim defending andrew tate just because tate sounds like luke on certain topics is very tribal just because the system doesn't like you doesn't mean

you're good eliza you are stronger than most alphas like Tate. I am not here to defend or condemn Andrew Tate. I've not seen evidence other than accusations. There you go, right? So I don't know what else I'm supposed to say. It's possible that they smeared him like they smeared Julian Assange. It's also possible that when he talked on podcasts about having women fly out to perform on cams,

there was something darker there. You should read my statement, Tim. You should read my statement because you haven't had that same energy about the epstein epstein it's like all all co-conspirators all co-conspirators should be held accountable but now it's like oh let's pause let's wait but what do you mean like with epstein we had transcripts released there's more stuff being released why don't you look into it and then you make a decision. Right, right, right. If you want to keep that same energy.

I've seen videos of Andrew Tate. Yeah. It's been a month. It's been three weeks. The Epstein stuff's been a few years. 11, 13. 30 years. Yeah, I was going to say.

We. 30 years. And look. That we know about. The circumstantial evidence along with the hard evidence when it comes to Epstein

when it comes to the outright admissions of some of the people associated with him is very very different from it's been three weeks and Andrew Tate just got arrested

you know what I mean okay so we'll see if the energy stays the same yeah I mean I've outright said

there's videos of Andrew Tate saying he had women working for him just because Andrew Tate saying he had women working for him just because they loved him. Then he had women working for him because they wanted money, and then she threw up in his apartment. He said, I'm not going to pay you so she goes to the cops claiming he hit her. Like, there's a lot to the things he said if you've seen these videos. And the way the left

has described it is, he went on there's like an hour's worth of him admitting to committing crimes. And it's like, yeah, there's an hour's worth of him admitting to committing crimes and it's like yeah there's an hour's worth of him admitting to being kind of like a dick in a lot of ways but it's been three weeks so i'm not from the left and i know i'm saying that's that's what they were posting and i've also advocated for julian assange i said in front of the doj at uh you know free assange rally in october and spoke i was a speaker at the assange rally. So it's not like I'm just go down every rabbit hole

that somebody's been accused and do that deal. But I think that, I think this is worth looking at. Ace Blackstar says, unlike Epstein, Andrew doesn't have his fingers in the government of many countries to cover up for Epstein. So I will not believe or even support you until he's proven guilty. Stop calling him an abuser.

It goes both ways. We're actually getting a decent debate here. I appreciate it, you guys. You don't have to agree with me, but I appreciate you guys chatting. Look at that. 22,000, 50-50 on smash the like button right there. It's 53 and 47 for 22,000 votes. It's a lot.

I mean, it's usually like two-thirds, so it's skewing slightly towards, I have not smashed the like button. But 84% said they did not believe Andrew Tate was guilty. And that's not just saying they think he's innocent, it's that many people are saying, show me the evidence.

We'll give it a little time. There's a lot with Epstein. There's a lot with Epstein. We'll give it a little time. Absolutely. And like I said earlier, if he actually did these things, then he needs to be locked up. By the way, I hope I'm wrong every single time.

Like we were saying before, I hope I'm wrong every single time. Sorry, Luke, go ahead. No, no. And I think the media narrative also matters here because a lot of the times the media was running protection

for Epstein. They were. Here, they're like running about pizza box stories. They're running fake news. They're discrediting themselves based on stuff. So this is why automatically people are jumped to this. Okay, but I'm not from the media. I've also

been smeared by the media in the last month. They hate me. The left doesn't like me. I'm just explaining some of the thinking of what's going on. And I understand that's why I'm here as a peaceful, maybe middle person to be like, hey, folks, I'm from your, I don't want to say side, but you folks rock with me. You know, I'm the real deal.

So if I'm saying, let's take a deeper look, hopefully that carries a little bit more weight with people that might have normally been a little bit more skeptical. Yeah. I would say the general idea, I think, Luke, it's a real good example. The pizza box story. Yes. Was completely false false and insane and so right away the whole narrative has launched off of a false premise it's just let me read this right here yeah reese mendocino says i'm in no way with andrew tate but we need to

recognize that most of the boys who flocked to him are a result of boys and men who are hurting from a collapsing culture and awful dating market we need to do better for them well put yeah well put well said yep yep all right charlie harris says what crimes has tate been formally charged with it's a matter of public record so there's no reason not to say it over the air i don't think he's been publicly charged he's being investigated for being a lover boy um rape, and money laundering. That's what we know. He's being investigated. The whole false narrative around the pizza box thing

was so annoying because he has a compound in Romania. They don't need to know he's there. They know he's there and he has a massive compound. But the fake news also discredits the legitimacy of this story. So the corporate media, just by running fake news, does so much injustice to all of this. Well, yeah,

they've done the same thing to me. They've done the same thing to me with Elon Musk. They've done the same thing to Tim. They've done it to you. They've done it to all of us. And it sucks. And they did it to Brett Kavanaugh,

if you remember what happened to him. I don't know if you remember that story or your response to how that was going down. Sure. I mean, I believe in due process. I think that that, and I've always, I've said that since the beginning. If folks want to put in due process into my Twitter search bar, I say, I believe the survivors that I serve.

And I explain to every survivor that I serve, due process. You can't just believe every single story. So I understand folks being skeptical. That's cool um sorry go ahead raymond g stanley jr in reference to the philadelphia train story says drop kick him tim drop kick him i said uh i would drop kick the dude if i saw a guy jumping up a woman i would i i'd jump on him like if he was standing up i would run up and drop kick and i like i can't i don't know, man.

I've had a lot of people, they like, everybody seems to be of this mindset that everyone else is going to be like them. And so they'll say things like, you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't, like, don't project your views onto me. Like there's a video, I went on Tucker because of this, because Antifa got in my face and started swinging at me. And I clenched my teeth, tightened my abs, and I i leaned forward you can watch me do it i i get i get i get angry especially when people get in my face and i i just i don't know that's the kind of person i am and i think too

i don't know you you get screwed with enough in places like the south side of chicago or traveling around the world where trust me when i say like i'd probably i would i would drop kick the guy i don't even want to say probably I I probably just lose it I probably I'd probably black out and be like I don't even remember what happened I just went on the guy I know this is totally unrelated but I just want to say something I just want to let everybody know I'm working on this case for free I serve all the survivors that I serve the public survivors for free I get no money from this nobody's paying me to be here nobody's paying me to say anything I got no money from the Twitter uh advocating paying me to be here. Nobody's paying me to say anything. I got no money from the Twitter.

Advocating for the Twitter, Survivors of Twitter, I did all that work for free. Everything I do, I do for free and usually lose money. So I just want to say that because I know people

are going to say a thing like I'm in this for money. I'm literally not in this for money and I actually lose money doing this work. Giovanni Licea says, can you elaborate on what the machine is?

The establishment. It's a reference to the machine, like, you you elaborate on what the machine is the establishment it's a reference to the machine like you know rage against the machine of course they rage on behalf of the machine these days

but the machine is the establishment the control it is you want to talk about the cathedral the cathedral yeah

the cathedral yes of course the cathedral darling yes of course no the cathedral is going to be like your school system starts at the school um by what would you call it luke like a great not brainwashing but sort of indoctrinating the young children then it goes up to up through the government schools to the universities then it goes to corporate journalism and then to the

government good cathedral yeah sort of but it's basically the machine is just like imagine this giant factory where it hollywood and big tech in there too controls production it controls what you're allowed to say it's where all the establishment establishment people are it's it's it's robotic it's duplicitous it's it's unempathetic and the opposite of that is freedom. Yes. So imagine there's a big factory. Inside, you wear a jumpsuit.

You do as you're told, but there's food. And you keep your mouth shut. You're not allowed to talk about certain ideas. You do your job. And then outside in the wilderness is freedom where figure it out. That's it. I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. Every time. The's it. I prefer dangerous freedom

over peaceful slavery. Every time. The backlash says. Every time. Every time. Obsessed. I'm actually obsessed with that. Hey, I think it's the best way forward.

It gives me life. Let's read this one. The backlash says, in 1993, I very publicly opposed the progressive assault on men, masculinity, marriage, and family. The Seattle Times almost destroyed me.

Men turned to MGTOW to strike, Atlas Strug style. of assault on men masculinity marriage and family the seattle times almost destroyed me men turn to migtao to strike atlas shrug style migtao is men going their own way but i'm not i don't i wouldn't i'm not going to pretend to know everything about what migtao is but uh correct me if i'm wrong my understanding is it's like men just living solitary lives and just going their own way and either like being alone or you know just avoiding relationships and stuff i I don't know about MGTOW. I think one of the problems is society, like it's created this, this very hard imbalance in the relationship between men and women. And I feel like a lot of it's on purpose, Malthusianism or whatever, like this, this idea that, you know, I'll put it this way, abortion, child castration, you know, hormones in the water, all of these things result in lower population.

Is that on purpose? Up for you to decide. I think it's just very interesting that there's powerful, prominent elites that are going around saying we got to reduce population. And then all of these ales of society, which are doing just that. Let's grab some more super chats. What do we got here? Mundo Mars says, I used to be pro-abort

because I thought people have common sense. But when I heard a girl say that her birth control is abortion, I lost all hopes in humanity. By the way, may I ask support for my YouTube channel, Mundo Mars. Keep up the good work.

Appreciate the super chat. All right. What was that? What was that? Super chat. Derpington says, the comment that I think Ian said, even the cops don't protect you.

Yeah, they're literally not required to and arco tyranny in action, baby. That was Luke who said the cops don't protect you, right? Yeah. There's many documented cases, including the Joe Lozito story, which is absolutely crazy. He's a friend of mine.

Look up We Are Change, Joe Lozito. Be prepared to be mind-blown. I was thinking Uvalde. Oh, yeah, man. Or Parkland. It's like, what are we paying him for? Yeah. All right.

Part-time Doge says, guys, John Bolden thinks he would be a viable 24 candidate. He also may have announced on a British show. A little confused if he did or didn't. He did. He's going to get negative votes. Like, somehow. It's just like, negative three. Or all the suicidal people who want World War III are going to vote for him.

And then he's probably going to become president of the United States. So the long-term game plan is to make everyone depressed so they're suicidal. Then they're all going to vote for John Bolton. John Bolton's going to kill us by starting World War III. Wow. It's like,

you know what we should do? That sounds horrible. I got an idea, guys. That sounds horrible. Yo, okay, hear me out. You guys have seen Twilight Zone, right? Yes.

Remember the one with the guy with the glasses and the books? Okay, here's what happens. John Bolton becomes president, declares war. He's riding in the bomber, flying over Iran, and they just bomb everything, and then there's just explosions all over the planet.

Then he's walking through the rubble of Tehran, and then he smiles, and he goes, and then he leans down to pick up a know a welcome to tehran sign his glasses fall up and shatter and then he goes no it was time now it was you guys know that one right you never seen that one oh come on of this whole image the world ends and this guy just wants to read books and then when he reaches down to pick up a book his glasses fall off and break and now he can't read books and it's like the apocalypse so like john bol Bolton in the rubble of Iran and the world is destroyed. It was time now.

Sorry. Who would John Bolton run with? Who runs on that ticket? Satan. So like Jeff Bush? Jeffrey Dahmer. Okay. Jeffrey Dahmer. No, no, no.

But in all seriousness, like who would run a Bolton ticket? Is it a Bush? Ghislaine Maxwell. Crenshaw. I think that's what he said. Oh, yeah. Cren you're right i think cheney actually yeah yeah those names make sense they lose bumper sticker let's let's bomb the middle east again like we we looked in the ballot box and not only were there no ballots in there but but it was a void, a rip in the time-space continuum.

It's spitting out ballots for us. I don't know how that's happening. Ballots are coming out of the box. Where are we at? Christian Wolf says, one, I'd make Frank Castle look like a Boy Scout. That's in reference to the one, if you would sacrifice yourself to save the woman. Frank Castle, if you don't know, is the Punisher. Yeah.

I think the Punisher, I love the Punisher stories. I mean, it's a fantasy, let's be real. But, man, there's something satisfying about justice. Have you guys ever seen Law Abiding Citizen? Nope. Gerard Butler, he's at home when some burglars break into his house, crack him over the head, rape his wife, kill, I think they kill his wife and daughter, and then he lives. And then, let's just say he gets revenge on everyone.

Unfortunately, they spiked the ending. I'll spoil the movie because it's old, but apparently the ending was supposed to be like, so years later, he tracks down the guy and he vivisects him and films it and slowly, slowly

ends this movie. It's insane. He intentionally gets arrested because he planned this whole thing and then he murders his cellmate to get put into

this special cell that he already tunneled through so he can freely move about committing crimes and going after the prosecutors going after the system that refused to get justice they cut a deal with with these guys and then he gets mad and apparently the ending was supposed to be him destroying the city and getting revenge but um the other guy what was his name jamie fox i guess didn't want that's a bad ending it's a bad guy winning. So he ultimately loses in the end and it's not

as satisfying. Because there's something just very Punisher-esque about him being like, my family was killed in the system. Let these guys go free. So I it's a good movie. You know, it's good. Darius Harvey says, I think the Believe All Women narrative really hurt true abused victims. No one wants

to stick their neck out anymore. I agree. But how do we... I mean, Christine Blasey Ford, right? But how do we... She lied about everything. Okay. I believe.

So how do we listen to some folks that maybe aren't, I don't know, credible, but... And then you can't discredit all survivors just because... Or individuals that step forward or are accusers. You can't discredit everyone because of a few bad experiences. I mean, we've been saying the same raggedy... There's no discredit. I agree, but you can't be extreme. You can't also believe everyone at the same time.

And I agree. But I believe the survivors I serve, and I believe in due process. But you folks aren't advocates. If you folks were advocates, you would also believe the survivors you serve and also explain. Do you go into any of these situations with skepticism first? Like, do you have to say no to certain people when they come to you? I don't have room to be everyone's advocate, especially everyone that asks. There are some cases that I'm probably better suited to serve.

Yeah. For instance, this case, because I understand now what it's like to have my life destroyed by the corporate press, by the public, by the bot farm that's attacking. I understand the left-right dynamic. That's why I'm well-suited to be an advocate in this way yeah here in this case i'm worried because i i find myself doing all the time too i lead with skepticism now with almost everything which is an unhealthy place i think transparency okay the more people see evidence a survivor have to give to gain trust of people i would say as as much as possible unfortunately because people like if so much skepticism if a dude came to me and said that

some guy robbed him help me i'd say okay i'd call the police and say i got a guy here who's been robbed am i going to believe 100 that he's telling the truth it's like no but we'll pursue you know the allegations because that's the that's fine but why is the first gut instinct for people to go online and talk trash what do you mean well okay it's not for every person depends on the way they're talking trash because there's trolls yeah just talk trash and there's other people who are also like the um but they troll everything they troll everything that's true that's true it's just it makes it really difficult for survivors to step forward and i'm always trying to think of how we can make that a little bit easier i i don't know if you can

and okay yeah without infringing on free. Yeah, you're right. It's just we protect the innocent. And protecting the innocent means, let's talk about Mattress Girl. Remember Mattress Girl? She walked out with a mattress on the college campus. Yeah, and she was the abuser. And she got everything handed to her. Society abused the guy that she abused. The victim was beaten down by the machine. So basically, the long story short. I don't know that case, so I can't speak on it. Woman walks around with a mattress around Columbia.

Was it Columbia, I think? One of those. Claiming that she was raped. It turns out she was begging the guy to be with her, and the guy didn't want to be with her, based on messages that got released in a lawsuit. The school threw him under the bus. His life was uh i don't know if it was destroyed but severely he got kicked out of school i think and like expelled and then she got the cover of

magazines the machine propped her up and protected her and she was the abuser christine blasey ford she claimed that she was too scared to fly and then they asked her in the hearing like didn't you fly like this point was yes did you fly here yes and she goes i'm so scared about because because 35 years ago i was halted i have two doors on my house and then it was like that's because she's airbnb-ing another portion of her house like this woman went in front of the country and and and then you had what was her name swetnick where she claimed that brett kavanaugh was part of gang rape college parties where they would line up outside the door and with kidnapped women who were drugged. And so the issue is you come out and you make an accusation.

I say we do our preliminary investigation, but we're not here. If Luke came to me and said Shane punched him in the face, it's like, well, why would I instantly believe something bad about Shane? But, Tim, people don't. I wouldn't snitch. People don't... We would handle it. People don't believe I'm a survivor and I've never said anything about whom...

Because I'm not legally able to... Michael Tracy recently did a thread about this. Well, that was... Of course I saw. Yeah. And I know why that was. I was really embarrassed for him because it wasn't factual. I wish he'd done a better job for him.

Well, here's the thing I would say for you in that regard is you've come out, talked about your experiences, advocated to help people, and you've not actually targeted another person. I think you've actually kept that private. Because I'm not legally able to speak about it. That's why. And there's a detriment there. I said that to multiple journalists,

but it's kind of like, okay, but well, what I have done is I had the organization that saved my life on Twitter Spaces speaking about what that process was like, saving my life, going through a play-by-play. But the organization now has come out and said that.

I've given a really decent timeline of everything that I did with that, the safe house that I went to. I talked about the safe, gave the name of the safe house that I went to. So the organization that saved my life was Eve's Angels in Chicago. They had multiple locations at the time. Annie D is on Twitter. And I went to Refuge for Women in Kentucky. That was on twitter and um i went to you know refuge for women in kentucky you don't go you know that was the safe house that i went to that was where they sent me

so why would you come out and say all that and i understand skepticism that's fine but what what you have to look at incentive what would the incentive be for me to come out and say that i'm a survivor take no money for any of it i'm not selling anything but there's no incentive reason okay like anyone could if they want to sure so let's say like hypothetically it is made up what's my biggest win so far in public getting twitter to address child sexual abuse material and make it a top priority well that's why i'm saying like what so like where's the win where's the win there like what's the big win or what would the big gain be?

I'm not asking an abuser for money. I'm not asking people for money. This is why when it comes to your story, it's like, oh, the only thing you're doing is getting Twitter to fix the problem. And so there's no conflict. I'm advocating for survivors. When it comes to Andrew Tate,

it's people know his show and have seen things they like from him. And then there's people they never heard of accusing him of doing something wrong. So when it comes to choosing to believe or not believe, person A, I don't care if it's a man or woman, person A comes to me, person B comes to me, person A says person B does bad thing. I say, well, I don't know that. I've not seen it. You want me to immediately join in your accusation against person B. Now that's not easy to do. What we do for the legal system is we say,

we heard you. Let's do our preliminary inquiry to see if there's a preponderance of evidence. Upon discovery of one, we will then move for an investigation. Upon discovery of evidence, we will file for an indictment. And then we'll try to prove to a jury of our peers this person did the things they were sure. No one really said that about Maxwell. No one said that about the Epstein co-conspirators. I get what you're saying because I agree with you.

What do you mean? Like with the Epstein stuff, we've gotten to the hard evidence over a decade phase and people demanded accountability and it went to indictment and then epstein died what evidence have you seen in the eps in the epstein case that you felt in your photos of andrew tate with gilene maxwell and virginia dufri and then her saying yes because he did these things no no no not sorry it's too late and we're getting the andrews mixed up i apologize sorry there's a lot of andrew there's a lot of testimony especially uh how endowed epstein i gotta eat that one my brain was in the process i was about to not to stop you i was about to be like let me play this this out. A picture of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffre

and Maxwell as well as flight logs with all of these people and it's been 10 years and there's been, look. Yeah, the evidence was overwhelming. If you feel like some evidence comes out,

we'll do another conversation and then we'll chop it up then. Let's wait. Yeah, let's see. How about that? Witness testimony is evidence but not proof. And so that's why I said

if Andrew Tate did these things, he should be held accountable. When it comes to Epstein, we're at the point where we wanted a legitimate investigation but we knew the FBI was covering it up.

We knew that, what was it, Luke? They had documents. They had folders and binders and video information and things like that that were labeled and they never released.

Photos, videos, all of that. Cassette tapes, surveillance tapes, all of that. It's a big story. still trying to get the videos. this is still in the process. Epstein isn't done yet, folks.

I said that once already tonight. The Epstein-Maxwell case is never done until it's done. It's not done. All right, we should grab some more Super Chats because I got to grab

at least a few more and we're going to go a little bit late. Tav Nazian says armed women make fewer rapists. Fewer rapists reduce the need for armed women. Unarmed women create more rapists. More rapists create armed women.

There you go. The wheel turns. Richard L says clearly the machine attacked Tate. For what? For what would they be attacking him for he's not saying anything that why was he banned from all these platforms i'm not at liberty to discuss that now but further you will understand later i i mean that's not good enough for me okay well let's put it this way go read every platform's terms of service you are not allowed to use instagram or any other platform for um human trafficking child sexual abuse material child sexual exploitation or to facilitate any

crime around those things it's fosta sesta signed in 2018 all the platforms know this and he was doing that i'm not saying he did that i'm saying saying do you think maybe there was another reason that he was doing it do you think has an ex-playmate come out and talked about her experience yes she has

you can pull up the article of being contacted so I'm just saying there might be more here that meets the eye so why don't we chill on the attacked by the

the only people that truly get attacked by the machine are going to be like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden and folks like that that are actually doing a thing they went after attacked by the machine are going to be like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden and folks like that that are actually doing a thing.

They went after Jordan Peterson. The machine? Yeah. They called him a Nazi. They tried getting him fired. Now they're trying to put him through. The corporate press? Yes.

Yes. Of course they did. And now his university is forcing him to go through re-education. I understand, but there's a difference between like,

maybe I'm not understanding the machine because this isn't language that I use. Are you talking, so yes, people are attacked by the corporate press. I have also, yes, people are attacked by the corporate press. I have also this month been attacked by the corporate press.

And now they're trying to take his medical license away from him. Yes, they are. And I said something about that. And what and why? For what reason are they doing these things? Wrong think. Orwellian stuff. Is it not possible it's the same thing with Andrew Tate?

Sure. It could be. So I'm not going to defend the machine until we can see clear evidence. So when we say, well, maybe he got banned because he was doing these awful things. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. OK. Until you come out and say, like, look at this message from Instagram. That's what got him banned.

I'm going to be like, I could also come out and be like, he was facilitating illegal recipes. He was advocating for smuggling. I could make up a million reasons as to why he may have gotten banned. And I understand that. And I don't mind skepticism. That's fine. It's not even necessarily about skepticism. It's about like, yo, if this guy did it, please prove it to me so we can get him locked up. Yes. And if it's not the case,

then... That's the right stance. I think that that's a correct stance. I think that that's good. I just... It's funny because I thought I would come here and talk about Elon Musk and Twitter the entire time, and literally we did not talk about it we did a little bit we did yeah we did for like 20 26 minutes i think no you're good it's just a timer in my mind i was like preparing the whole day for that now it's like tate fest well i mean you had you led with big news it's all good you know i never have this type of stuff planned fully, and I just go with the flow. Yeah, like the Epstein stuff, everybody thought was nonsense for a long time.

Yeah. And then you had the Miami Herald, you had Mike Cernovich, and you had Project Veritas basically do this triple hit, and then all of a sudden it just damn broke. Yes. So my concern is when we've seen things like Blasey Ford, when we, I should say Kavanaugh, and Mattress Girl and a bunch of other stories. I mean, even Lena Dunham, didn't she accuse the DJ?

Yep. She falsely accused the DJ. And to individuals out there that have been falsely accused, I want you to know I love you too. I think that that's heinous. I think it's horrible. I have men in my life that are close dear friends that have been falsely accused.

They have explained to me in great detail how it ruined their life. And I don't take that lightly either. Don't like either. This one's critical. The Roz Rodriguez says, as much as I want to agree with, quote, awful guest, I am grateful Timcast brings in people that I don't 100%

agree with, or us watching. Good job. More please. I'm awful guest. Could be. cast brings in people that I don't 100% agree with or us watching good job more please I'm off a guest well there's there's big tape fans who are they do they they're very critical but then there's also people who are mad at me

and they're very defensive and supportive of you so it's it's it's split it's very but I think it's a good conversation whether it's for or against and Tim and I are cool. So everybody knows we're going to be cool. I've wanted to hug him 10 times throughout this episode. Well, this is what I'm saying. We got to have,

for the people who disagree and are angry about it, we need to have that conversation. You know what I mean? Yes, let's talk. And we've got your super chats too. And we're having that conversation. So Angela McArdle says, Eliza, thank you for your

advocacy work it takes courage to come forward and we desperately need more courageous people in today's culture i love angela so much she's brave i need to stop watching youtube says i don't believe eliza that's okay you and many people let's see captain creativity says tim i think you described absurdism not nihilism i don't think i described absurdism yeah i think absurdism is a little different yeah where are we let's grab they probably overlap a little bit if they're talking about camu philip r says i'm a little behind but the reason men cannot help abuse survivors is plain and simple women victimized by men hate men after that and then usually go lesbian. No joke.

I don't think that's true. That's definitely not always true. That's definitely not always true. No. I don't know. It feels like an internet trope. That's not real. Yeah.

That feels like something pushing an incel line. I feel like that's not a... I'm not going to accuse you of being an incel or anything, but that's a little bit aggressive, a little bit ridiculous. Daniel Domisig says, after what they did to Kavanaugh, I'm skeptical. Yeah. I mean, I'm less – with Kavanaugh, I was very skeptical. I mean, he's a family guy. He's religious.

They had investigated him before. These accusations made no sense. With Andrew Tate, he's got video clips of him talking about bringing out women to do cam work. And you're like, OK, well, let's take a look at this. Let's see what this is all about. I don't know about detaining him for 30 days. It's like they need to publicly release some evidence because this is a high profile case.

You know what I mean? My only ask is not that you have to believe 100%. You don't have to believe 100%. Just don't tear down survivors until we can figure out what's going on. Maybe that's where I'm not communicating well. I'm not asking you to believe me, believe everything everyone says, but can we just not tear down survivors and make it more difficult for other survivors, you know, minors, survivors of Epstein? Like, just imagine how needed it was to get those people off the street

and committing those crimes. Let's just not tear down survivors in the process or accusers, if we don't like the word survivor, victim, let's just not tear them down until we figure out what's going on. If our goal is to protect the innocent, then we want to approach any accusation with like balance between the individuals involved. We don't want to insult the person making the accus individuals involved we don't want to insult

the person making accusation we don't want to insert insult the person accused we want to say okay i hear you let's figure this out and figure out who's actually at fault like who i should say not who's actually fault but is there is there a crime here is there is there a slight and that's what the courts are for yep all right let's uh let's grab uh one more here what is this chris says tim i used to ascribe to your views of positive nihilism, but recently I became more fundamentally theistic because now I believe that man is not capable of creating meaning in a substantial way. Get Jay Dyer on the subject. He could represent the position well. Very cool. Ace Blackstar will read one more. Will you call for the arrest of the accusers if they are found to be lying and also pay every cent you stole due to your actions i i think he's referring to the people who did i don't know about you because you said you don't make money from it no but the people who if they're found to be lying should they pay restitution and should they be arrested like accusers uh i believe that if someone makes a false accusation of domestic violence

sexual assault um trafficking anything like that i i do believe that then it falls on the then it falls on the fat yes true arrested charged all that stuff yes agreed and paid and pay restitution as well yeah because i've talked to people whose lives have also been destroyed. So I don't take false accusations lightly. Right on. My friends, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash the like button if you so choose to.

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And the debate was fantastic. So I do appreciate, I appreciate when people come in and disagree. We need it, you know, so I do like it. You can follow the show at Timcast IRL on Instagram and Twitter and wherever else. You can follow Timcast News on Twitter. You can follow me personally at Timcast Eliza. Do you want to shout anything out? At Eliza Blue.

At E-L-I-Z-A-B-L-E-U on Twitter. And coming soon, you, myself, Ian, and some other folks are going to be making an announcement about an event in April. Oh, yeah. Right on. It's not official to launch it yet, but there is something cool coming up in Austin in April. Yeah, it's going to be fun.

Hopefully I'm invited to that too. Oh, do you want to be invited? I'd love to see you there. Sure, yeah. Anyway, my website is lukuncensored.com. We have a lot of members on our members area. We talk about a lot of different stuff, usually surrounding solutions, projects.

We're doing an AMA right now. Make sure to get your questions in before I get overwhelmed and can't answer all of them. Lukuncensored.com is where the conversation is going to be thank you again so much for having me and being on my website so thanks awesome yep Shane Cashman I'm at Shane Cashman everywhere you can go on timcast.com and check out the inverted world stories and the recent stories I've been doing and working on some new ones right now and Eliza grateful for your work and awesome to be here with you I love you so much, Shane. I'm like your biggest fan. Thank you for supporting me so much online. I love you so much. I think you have a creative

mind. And I told Shane one time, I said, I firmly believe that I had this feeling. My God, I said, I need to ask Shane to take my picture and write an article because I have a feeling his work will end up being Warhol-esque in a way where it's... But thank you. I'm serious. Thank you. I don't know how else to articulate it, but I think you're really gifted and very talented and I'm grateful.

We've been talking about it. Right on. Yeah, we got something to work for. Yeah, we're going to do a thing. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. You know what I think would be really cool? And I know you're trying to end the show, but I've had this vision a little bit of you coming out to the farm and really seeing what my day-to-day life is like.

That's the goal. It's totally different than this glam version. Yeah, that's the goal. I love doing stories like that where I can just kind of- Do you have any overalls? Do you have any boots? Yeah. Do you have any slash boots?

From my past life on a farm where I grew up. Word. Do you like cats? I've got two. Okay. I'm excited. And you can bring your wife. Perfect.

Yeah, it'd be great. I was excited to hear from like that wasn't a there were a few prominent people who shouted out shane's story on yay and carrie lake and um i was excited to hear it because shane emailed me a while ago and was like hey i'm a writer check this out and i i like clicked one of the articles and i couldn't stop reading it and i can't i can't remember exactly which one it was was like, wow, I'm going to ask this guy to come out here. Then you came out and you started working on the Inverted World stuff. Then you ended up profiling, among a bunch of other things, like the stuff from Tales from the Inverted World and The South was amazing.

And then profiling Yay was amazing. And then the Carrie Lake story, I think, in my opinion, is the best thing I've read from you yet. It was really awesome to read. So my attitude is, we need you to write more stuff like that. And then we need to figure out how to just get everybody to read it so they can understand why everybody likes it so much.

Yeah. The best response, and you guys sharing it is the best, is like hearing from people who don't read ever and enjoy reading. Interesting. Yeah.

That's incredible. Being like, I couldn't stop reading. This is amazing. I just feel like you're so needed right now. I don't know. I look at like what comes out of conservative ink and it's okay like i know people do their thing but it's so dry and i feel like you're you just have a vibe i appreciate it does

that make sense it's young it's fresh it's artistic but it's a vibe and i don't i'm not saying that you're intentionally trying to be in conservative ink yeah um but i'm saying just anything that doesn't fit in one side happens to just be thrown i love i just it gives me life tim cast is like one of the only places hiring him because i would have known about oh for sure tim cast is like one of the only places where you could write stuff like that these days so i'm grateful i mean the the yay stuff's funny because like everyone in the world is writing one specific thing about yay and then shane's like i want to go profile him just like talk to him and and get a better like a more full perspective and we're

like okay all right it's up to you man you don't do it that's why i want to be on the farm that's that's the place to be find the real you you know i mean are you sure you like that's not a threat no i think i'm really chill on the phone yeah i think seeing people outside and i love doing stuff like this but seeing people outside of the cameras is just a different angle. Right on. All right, man. We also got Serge. Hey, yeah.

It's been a pleasure. I love the work too, Shane. Thank you, Eliza, for everything you've been doing, especially in this whole, I don't want to call it like a situation in the world, but I appreciate it as well. Thank you. It's been a good one. I'm at Serge.com.

Follow me on Twitter. I guess I'm on there. Yeah, it was a good one. Thanks, man surge.com. Follow me on Twitter. I guess I'm on there. Yeah, it was a good one. Thanks. Right on. Thanks for hanging out, everybody. We will see you all Monday or check out any of our stuff over the weekend. We're going to have clips that are going to be live. So thanks for being

members at TimCast.com. Thanks for hanging out and we'll see you all next time. Cheers, guys.