Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #695 Steven Crowder ERUPTS On 'Big Con' Over Contract Terms w/Tower Gang Crew

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

Tim, Ian, Luke, & Serge join the Tower Gang Crew to discuss Steven Crowder's new video slamming conservative media & what is needed to win the culture war. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Man, it's been a terrible week for me. I woke up this morning like, I'm going to work again. My voice is getting better. And it was worse. And I'm like, how is it worse? So it's working now. I think maybe by tomorrow morning it'll probably be okay. But I started recording my first segment and I was getting angry because I'm like,

I will not take another day off. I hate taking days off. And then after like four minutes, I literally couldn't talk. I'm like, yo, not take another day off. I hate taking days off. And then after like four minutes, I literally couldn't talk. I'm like, yo, this is BS, man. When you said hate, you sounded like Cobra Commander. I hate it.

I thought of Scrooge for a second. Skeletor. He-Man. Anyway. As you were getting angrier, were you screaming louder and shredding your voice more? I was trying to get louder to push through. And then I stopped and I'm just like, if I was trying to get louder to push through and then i stopped and i'm just like if i'm gonna get my voice better i can't do it i have to stop i have

to just go hang out and play overwatch or something and i was pissed off the whole day just like sitting there like angrily running around as sombra just killing people from behind sombra so not diva no no because sombra goes uh stealth and then you can run behind somebody just and then i was just i like playing Bastion because, you know, he's got whatever it's called. The dude with the big shield?

No, the artillery. I'm a big fan. I'm just mowing everybody down and I'm like, I feel good playing video. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen,

one of my favorite subjects in the world, Steven Crowder put out a video called It's Time to Stop where he calls out the big con in conservative media. And I commented on his video saying Steven Crowder is right about everything. I want to provide context as to what I meant by that where he calls out the big con in conservative media. And I commented on his video saying,

Stephen Crowder is right about everything. I want to provide context as to what I meant by that. Because he's right about everything in terms of how these companies function, how the contracts work. But I don't think the bigger picture, like I don't think Stephen Crowder commented on the bigger picture. That's why I'm not going to say he's wrong. But I think there's a lot to understand in how these contracts work

and what the future has to hold. So this is going to be a whole lot of fun. I'm basically going to spill the beans on. But I think there's a lot to understand in how these contracts work and what the future has to hold. So this is going to be a whole lot of fun. I'm basically going to spill the beans on basically everything to the extent that I can. I know a lot of these guys. I know the CEOs of all these companies. I've talked with all of them about more than these things. So I respect their privacy.

I'm not going to reveal any confidential details that could harm anybody in any way. But I'll tell you about everything I can personally and how it's affected us. And Steven Crowder calling out how this machine is working. For those that aren't familiar with the context, basically Crowder left the Blaze and has been working on his own

thing, I suppose, and obviously it looks like he's been shopping around. He posted details of a contract he received calling out what he calls the big con. So we're going to talk about the media landscape, how everybody's responding to it, but we've got a bunch of other news too. Hey, you know, we've got davos is happening and a whole bunch of hookers are flying in and so i just think that's a funny story to talk about because they want to

ban hookers for you but they get all the hookers in the world so we'll talk about that plus i mean to get serious we got a crazy story there was apparently some failed gop candidate who orchestrated allegedly shootings targeting democrats apparently what was it luke he tried he brought a fully automated machine gun that that malfunctioned in one of the houses yes that's crazy man all right so let's get into before we get started head over to timcast.com become a member to support our work we uh full disclosure man we we exist because of memberships crowder brought this up in his video he's completely right i saw the writing on the wall he saw the writing on the wall and He saw the writing on the wall.

And so this is why everybody's creating subscription services. Because for us to keep producing content, we rely on knowing how much money is coming in every month to pay salaries. And that means we're, I remember a couple of years ago, I was like, okay, just doing ads on YouTube is extremely dangerous because ads stopped when COVID happened, like gone. And I'm like, well, our money's gone. How do I even make a video? I just got to cross my fingers and push through. And then I'm like, we need to do a website. We do a website with members only.

We create exclusive stuff for those members as something they can buy. And then we know for sure with like a drop-off margin, how much money we will have per month. And if we can keep doing this and if we're growing, and that's why we have the members only over at timcast.com. So become a member. It really does make sure the machine works. And then obviously ad revenue is the icing on top. And as a member, what you're investing in, our cultural endeavors, this is going to be a big show because I'm going to talk about Steven Crowder and I'll talk about what we're investing money in, why Crowder encountered this contract that he did, why these big companies offer these things.

And I think it's going to be enlightening for everybody as I explain how things work here, my motivations, my risks, my losses. And I think y'all are in for a really, really interesting show. So grab some popcorn because I'm going to talk hard numbers. You're going to have fun with this one. Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel,

share the show with your friends, help you like my fancy glasses. Joining us to talk about this and so much more, we've got the crew from the Tower Gang. What's up, brother? Clint Russell. I'm the host of Liberty Lockdown. Highly acclaimed in the highly insane Tower Gang with my brother, Top Lobster, as well as Reed Coverdale, Toad, Fat Dave, named after Dave Smith, which I know everyone here is

a fan of. And who did I miss? Oh, Jose Galasson as well yeah it's crazy this is the greatest graphic designer on earth mr top lobster yeah i'm uh i go by top lobster i own top lobster.com it's a merchandising company um i'm the graphic designer for uh break the cycle with joshua smith the vice chair of the lp i also uh own part of uh podcastmerch.com which is uh that's a company that we do merch for gas digital podcasts like Dave Smith's

part of the problem, Michael Malice is still on there, Legion of Skanks, things like that so that's really what I'm focused on and thanks for having me here guys. Hell yeah Hey guys, I'm going to be leaving this week but not today and I wanted to remind you guys about BidenFetterman.com, it's an actual

website, it is my website, we talked about this yesterday and that's why I'm and I wanted to remind you guys about BidenFetterman.com. It's an actual website. It is my website. We talked about this yesterday, and that's why I'm wearing my BidenFetterman 2024 shirt. And to be specific here, when I mean Biden, I mean Hunter Biden. It's the leadership that we deserve. Let the ship sink already. Let's get it over with.

You can get the shirt on BidenFetterman.com. See you there. Luke, what you don't understand is when the ship sinks, it's just a submarine, man, that's going to keep going. It never stops. We're better off taking control at the helm right now than letting it fall apart. Hey, I wanted to point out, we did an episode of Liberty Lockdown last year. I guess it was last year. That's right, man.

It was a while ago. It was a good time. Yeah, it was great. I also did an episode with Jose, who's not here tonight, represent. What's up, Jose? No Way Jose. Yep, that's right. That was a good time.

Ian Crossland here. Happy to be here. High energy Serge. Yes! Coming up right now. Woo! Let's go! Yeah, we were just talking about this before the pod.

Yeah, everyone thinks I'm super chill and I have no energy. That's the joke, though. My name is Serge. Serge has no chill. As soon as the show's over, he's like, he goes crazy. Let me get your picture.

Hey, I'm at Serge.com everywhere. It's been fun. I've been posting on Twitter trying to figure this machine out a little more, but I'm excited to get into this. It's going to be a good episode.

Tim seems ready to go. Let's get it. I grabbed a cough drop. Let's see if that works. All right, everybody. Our first story from our good friends over at Media Matters, who I thought, you know, it's the perfect website to use when talking about the big con and Steven Crowder.

MediaMatters.org says, Steven Crowder lashes out at big con of conservative media for allegedly colluding with tech companies like YouTube. Quote, Those in charge, the big conservative, the big con, and it really is the biggest con going right now. They're making it known in their contracts that they will enforce the guidelines of big tech

and punish conservatives on their behalf. Steven Crowder, one of the most prominent, if not the most prominent, I guess, what would you describe this conservative media movement or anti-establishment movement? One of the most prominent voices, if not the most prominent. Put out, what would you describe this conservative media movement or anti-establishment movement? One of the most prominent voices, if not the most prominent. Put out a video today,

just straight up calling out big conservative media. And I commented on the video, I said, he's right about everything. But I want to clarify what I mean by that, because maybe that's a little inappropriate. He's right about the contracts. He's right about the machine. He's right about how this whole system works, but there's an understanding you need to have. The machine itself is the, these contracts, it's the product of how the law is structured, how the market is structured, and it's an inevitability. The only way it changes when people like Steven Crowder don't sign these deals, people like any of you who are signing up don't sign these deals, say no to these deals, and build a completely new system. And that means we've got big challenges. It means that Disney's got an advantage.

You want to know why Disney's got an advantage? Because when Stephen Crowder, he leaves the Blaze, he's obviously shopping around. That's why he's got this contract. He says these terms are insane. He doesn't need to sign it. Many people do need to sign these deals. And they do sign these deals. For a company like Disney, I remember I got a contract from them.

I signed it. It was a lot of cash, a lot of cash I didn't have. And I said, okay. And then within the confines of that contract, I eventually was like, I know what I have to do and I know what I'm not going to do. And you're not going to get me to do anything. Please break my contract. They said, no, I got locked up for a couple of years. They call that golden handcuffs. It is extremely common in the media industry. I think Cenk Uygur talked about it when he was at MSNBC. Yep. Same thing happened to Jesse Ventura when he was critical

of the war in Iraq. They silenced him and essentially got rid of his show that they paid a lot of money for. And he essentially a year was just sitting and couldn't do any interviews or his own show, which is absolutely crazy. So let's do this. I'll start off by saying Stephen Crowder launching his own thing is the most important thing he can do, but that the current reality of big media, especially with an anti-establishment landscape, is that these deals are quite literally impossible. And more importantly, they're impossible for someone like Steven Crowder.

So I'll say this to get started, and then y'all are going to have to ask me questions, I guess, on what you're thinking. Crowder's too big. There's no way anyone can sign a deal with Steven Crowder. It's just that simple. Dude's got nearly 6 million subscribers. How do you do a deal with this man? He owns the space. So imagine you're, we got a handful of companies. Obviously, everybody's giving their thoughts on which company they think this was that offered him a contract, but there's a lot. Obviously there was the Blaze.

We know Rumble's doing a lot of deals with people. The Daily Wire's obviously another big one. They've got a big roster. What are some other companies in the space? Are there any? InfoWars. InfoWars, obviously. I doubt InfoWars.

I don't know if Steven would go to InfoWars, though. OAN. OAN, Newsmax. Given the legal troubles, probablyder. Honestly, Fox. Fox is there. Yeah, absolutely, Fox. They're looking for a comedian to host, I heard. He'd be a great hire. They got Gutfeld. He's slated.

Alex Jones and Stephen Crowder did multiple interviews and Alex Jones even said that he's moving away from his kind of libertarian policies and agreeing with Stephen when it comes to more kind of statist solutions. It's possible. It's completely possible. So everybody has their speculation.

CRTV is also another big one. CRTV is the blaze. Oh, got it. Yeah, and Turning Point's a maybe, but I think Fox is probably a really good guess too. People got to understand, whoever this company is, I would tell you Fox probably has the worst terms. You guys want to play some games? Fox guests aren't allowed on this show yeah not allowed fox fox contractually i don't know about

contractually i just know that probably pissing off fox right now yeah like we we routinely have people say stuff like i wish i'm a big fan we love the show we'd love to come on too bad we can't by the way fox whoever you, have your people come on because it would be phenomenal for all of us. Is it this show specifically or just any podcast form? This show is specifically blacklisted for Fox personalities. That doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, that makes absolute sense.

We compete directly with Tucker Carlson. Yeah, a lot of people see a competition instead of actually working together cohesively. There's also PragerU, Epoch Times. There's a lot of media organizations in the space that do have the money that could facilitate this. But how do you do a deal with Stephen Crowder?

Let's break it down. Let's break it down. You got 6 million subscribers on Stephen Crowder's channel. Let's say you create the Crowder Club. You know, he's got Mug Club, but let's say you're... I don't want to name any companies, so let's make up a fake one. Conservative Inc.

Let's say you run Conservative Inc. and you're like, we got some investor cash. You know, bigwig libertarian billionaire who bought a bunch of Bitcoin because he's a creep can afford to invest. He's helping run our company, investing in our company. We can hire one of these guys. How much can we reasonably afford to spend? Let's think about the revenues uh we'll use the daily wire because they've talked about their numbers what do they

have 900 000 paying subscribers yeah is that what it was yeah matt walsh really brought in that money for them to be to be honest so let's just look at their their memberships they got a seven dollar a ten dollar and a thirteen dollar something like that so let's just go for the middle and say it's like ten dollars per person they're doing what nine million dollars in membership revenue per month they've also got what seven big personalities they've also got ad revenue let me let me let me do a quick math on what i what i think their ad revenue might be well actually no i think they said well didn't they say they were doing like 100 million a year something like that i don't remember i don't remember. I don't remember either. It was like 120. I'd be willing to bet that they probably do, I don't know, 15. It's a guess.

15 million bucks per month. Sponsorship revenue only goes so far. You can be really, really big, but it only goes so far. So let's say it's the bulk is memberships, 15 million per month, but you've got to pay for, what do they have, 300 employees? I don't know the numbers at Daily Wire very well. The top-level talent has to be extraordinarily expensive. Jordan Peterson, I mean, crazy money.

Oh, yeah, Jordan Peterson, I imagine they had to pay him like 10 million bucks. In comparison to Steven Crowder, where does Jordan Peterson fall there? Jordan Peterson's a very different personality. Steven Crowder has guaranteed numbers. When you're trying to sign someone like Crowder, you're like, I can look at how many people comment like I can look at how many people comment I can look at how many people view each of your videos and not only that

if he's got membership only content he can provide those metrics as well and then you can say I know how much money I can make off this but imagine you're I don't even know how much money Fox makes they have like cable contracts which guarantees them probably like

hundreds of millions of dollars per year guaranteed just for being on the cable networks I don't even know how much money Fox makes. They have like cable contracts, which guarantees them probably like, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Yeah, guaranteed just for being on the cable networks because the cable deals, people sign up for cable because they want Fox News. So Fox News, my question is this. Let's say conservative bank contacts Steven Crowder. How much can they reasonably afford to pay him? How much can they make off of him?? How much can they make off of him?

And how do they make money off of him? Let's take a look at this contract. In this video, you can see this. It says merch rights. Blank will maintain the exclusive rights to create and sell Crowder and Crowder content branded merchandise. All remuneration for the blank and exploitation of these rights is included in the fee. Okay. Email list. Blank will maintain the exclusive rights to manage, grow, and monetize all Crowder email lists during the term. All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee.

Social media management. Blank will have the exclusive right to manage, curate, and monetize Crowder's official Facebook, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Snapchat, Rumble, and other social media accounts excluding Crowder's existing personal Twitter and Instagram accounts during the term. Additionally, Blank will have the perpetual and exclusive right to create, own, manage, curate, and monetize any and all social media accounts on any social media or similar platform as determined by Blank on the Crowder content or shows. All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee. What's the fee?

Was Crowder offered or shows. All remuneration for the exploitation of these rights is included in the fee. What's the fee? Was Crowder offered $100 million? Because I got to tell you, if someone came to me and said, look, we can make merch based on you, ours. We can manage an email list, everything, ours. We're going to handle all of your social media content. All of that will happen only within the term as it states in the contract. What's the term? Typically three years

is what they'll try to get you on. Whenever I was negotiating contracts, they'd always say three years and I'd laugh and I'd say no. And they'd be like, but that's standard. I'm like, I don't care what standard. We'll do two years.

And two years is kind of, I did two years of Fusion. What's the fee? Is Crowder mad that they offered him a really garbage fee in exchange for control of all of his rights and all of his production it's possible i don't know don't know how much money he was

offered but i'll tell you this if he was offered say 200 million dollars over three years is that contract unreasonable no if he was offered five million dollars for three years then it's unreasonable absolutely yeah so that's a big question here this contract may look exploitative but it's really, we don't know the consideration. Exactly. If I went to you and said, I will give you like,

if, if, if I had a contract and it said like, you must turn over your house immediately, you must give me all property you own. And then you went around showing people like, look at this contract. It says he can take everything from me.

People might be like, wow, that's crazy. And then he's not showing you the page where it says in an exchange, I give you my house and a million dollars. You know what I mean? It's like, we don't know if the deal's fair or not. If you're going to sell your soul, you better back up the Brinks truck.

You know? It better be heavy money because, as you said, Crowder's making crazy money. So he doesn't need to sell his soul. Is he though? Well, do you not think so with Mug Club and all that? Who owns Mug Club? He said he owns it. He owns it? Yeah. He owns it he owns it yeah he owns it now or he owned it before i don't know in this video from from what i saw i watched about 20

minutes of it he was saying that basically we can do this on our own with mug club i can open up my own thing if i if need be but he didn't really go into specifics about how much he's making so if he's gonna open up his own thing i'll tell you man crowder with six million subscribers when he did the the coverage of the midterms and he had what like half a million live viewers if i was gonna just spitball a number that i think crowder independent would make it would be 10 million dollars per month wow the daily wire is big the daily wire is basically ben shapiro you've got Ben Shapiro and then you go down the roster. So it's like Matt Walsh now may be their biggest moneymaker.

Oh yeah, What Is A Woman was just massive. Oh, that is. These are things they've stated publicly. They've talked about how they brought in like 300,000 new members off that alone. I think that's what they said. I don't know for sure. It's just what I heard.

And I mean, you got to think about that. 300,000 new members on a documentary that probably cost a couple hundred grand to make, a couple hundred grand to market if you want to do it big. True. They had a Times Square billboard. I think they had it running. Yeah, they knocked it out of the park with that.

So imagine you got 13 bucks a month is the tier to watch video, and you had 300,000 people. Let's say the average person stays on as a member. The churn rate for every company is different, but let's say it average person stays on as a member the churn rate for every company is different but let's say it's a year that's a lot of money to come in off one documentary i need to ask you a question because you've got a lot of more experience with youtube by the way twice struck liberty lockdown please forgive me my overlords i'm sorry i know not what i've done but that's

no joke your channel got two strikes in the last, what, three weeks or something? Ten days since I had James Lindsay on. He went down the same line of thinking that he expressed on this fine program. I have no idea what I did wrong. And they will not tell me. They won't give me a timestamp. It just breaks my heart. I'm trying my best to stay on there. I really am.

It's important that you guys are listening to the admins because Clint is – you actually mentioned you might not even be putting videos on YouTube for like 90 days out of fear that you get a third strike for unknown reasons. I can't risk it. And that's not good. So if you guys can look at that and take care of it. Please, I'm begging. But the reason I wanted to ask Tim is because he's got so much experience with this. Are you basically saying that Google, because of the parent company of YouTube, is so well-ran in terms of paying their creators that you cannot really compete in this space any longer? Google, what do you mean?

Well, it seems as if you're implying that because Crowder has such an enormous following on YouTube and the revenue that he's deriving from that, okay, go ahead. No, no, what I'm saying is that the people who run, let's just, I don't want to name any specific companies. I don't want to call anybody out. Sure.

A lot of people are like, name, names, name, names. I don't think there's bad guys here. If you're a businessman and you're like, how do we cultivate talent? So look at the Daily Wire, for example. Michael Knowles rose from inside the Daily Wire. What was he like? He was an editor or something. I can't remember what his job was.

Yeah. He was behind the scenes. They talent they cultivated that talent and they found a rising star so so before the show we were getting into it and i was like we got to save for the show let me tell you something we make a lot of money uh at timcast.com i've never talked about our members our membership numbers or anything like things like that because i don't know it's a private business we're not a non-profit you know uh and i don't i don't i think a lot of people don't understand how expensive things can be and money um when it comes to you know doing things like this but we do make a lot and i love that you rake by the way we do we do i love it i i i think we do around uh eight figures year. That's beautiful.

So this, and it's almost exclusively just me personally. So we have employees who help run TimCast IRL. Where's the Bugatti at? Where's the private plane? I have a Model S. The Bugatti's right here, baby. We've flown private several times. That's nice, man.

Yeah, so, and I'll explain a lot of this too. Like, I'll just break everything down for everybody so you can understand how exactly everything works. I don't care about fancy cars. I don't care about big houses. I don't care about infinity pools.

I care about literally none of it. I don't care about having a million Bitcoin. I don't care about, you know, having a penthouse in New York City. I care about

good people doing good things to make things better because I don't like bad things. And what do I see? I complain about it all day, all the bad things. So let me explain how this company works. We're very different from Big Con and a lot of these companies.

I wish I was the kind of guy who could fire everybody, shut the whole company down, and then just take all of that money and put it in my pocket because it is almost entirely just me if if if i i talk about this quite a bit i told this to steven some days i think back to when i was sitting in new jersey in front of my uh computer in my boxers playing world of warcraft i think i can't remember which one is legion i think uncovered the void elves that was fun, unlocked. And I had like 180,000 subscribers on youtube.com slash Timcast.

I had 100,000 on Timcast News, and I was making about $300,000 per year just off that. And then Joe Rogan calls me up, we have a conversation. Then Joe Rogan invites me out, and I say, "'This is awesome, I should totally do it.'" Sometimes I think back and I'm like, "'Maybe I shouldn't have done it.'" Maybe I'd like to peer into the crystal ball and find that timeline where I say, this is awesome. I should totally do it. Sometimes I think back and I'm like, maybe I shouldn't have done it. Maybe I'd like to peer into the crystal ball

and find that timeline where I said, Joe, with respect, love your work, not interested, have a nice day. Because I'd be sitting there minding my own business with no headaches, with no employees, and I'd be making a ton of money. And then with that money, I could buy a bunch of gold bars,

put those gold bars in my closet. And then a year later, I look in my closet, gold bars are sitting there. So here's the thing about these big media companies and why they do these deals and why they offer the contracts they do. First, I'll say it again. Crowder's right to say no to these contracts. He's right to say these contracts are bad.

Nobody should take these deals. It's a new world. Make your own channel. Forge your way. It is difficult, but that's what has to be done, especially for someone as big as Crowder. I can certainly understand why there is someone thinking like, yeah, but if I get a job at The Daily Wire, I could be the next Michael Knowles. Total fact.

Total fact. Here's the thing. What do we do? The majority of the money that we make here, we invest in people who don't make money back for us. And I'm not trying to say this because I love everybody who works at TimCast. We got an awesome team of really great people and they help make it all possible. It is possible to run Timcast IRL on bare bones with maybe like one or two people.

But I want to make sure nobody's like going crazy and everyone's comfortable. So we have like a handful of people who help. We have people who book, people who schedule guests, you know, people who will handle the booking for us, do the paperwork. It does require some people. If I got rid of this show and just did my own personal YouTube channels,

revenue probably wouldn't change that much and I wouldn't have to worry about any of this. I could take that money that I make from you guys watching my content. I could then buy a gold bar for $2,000, put it in my closet, close the door. A year later when I come back,

the gold bar is still there. That's my gold bar. I will always have it. Instead. But you go and you look at that gold bar and then you walk out of your house and the world's on fire, Tim. Yeah, that's the thing.

I don't know you that well. Maybe 45 minutes we spoke, but I could tell the type of person you are and you wouldn't be satisfied with that. It's because I don't care about a gold bar. So here's what we have. We have like 35 employees plus contractors. I make a little bit of money off a bunch of our shows.

I think Cast Castle may be our second, now second most successful show because we've got a bunch of people who sign up to become members specifically to watch the shenanigans of the house. I think that's awesome. Nice. Pop Culture Crisis, our pop culture show, in the crisis, our pop culture show in the red makes money,

but in the red and you know what? I don't care, but let me explain something. And I, and you know, shout out to the pop culture crisis crew. You guys do a really, really great job.

We pay them a salary. That's guaranteed income. I don't make that money back. How could I do a deal where I'm like, I will pay you more money or I will give you all of these things. Like when a member signs up, you get a cut. That's impossible.

I'm just losing money, but I want this thing to exist. And then here's the best part. Let's say I spend $500,000 on this show because I want it to exist. And then they quit. That money's gone. Crap, I could could buy gold bars they don't go anywhere they don't even walk you know you just lock them in a closet what you're investing in though is you're investing in intangible so like pop culture crisis culture that's what you're investing in right there you don't know what that will turn into and then and

we also look at like uh maybe some of the esg stuff where disney will fund movies that are just complete garbage. I'm doing the same thing. Be in the red, but they're pushing a culture. They're pushing something. They better not be garbage, Tim. Don't do it. No, no.

This is what people need to get. Impact investment. Fox News, The Daily Wire, Epoch Times, whatever. I'm not trying to call anybody out specifically, but they're in the business of making money. They, of course, probably believe a lot of what they're doing. You wouldn't start a business selling birdhouses unless you liked making birdhouses, but I don't need the company to make money. So this is what I'm saying about Crowder being right. What we're doing and what Crowder needs to do is different. Crowder will be rich for the rest of

his life. He has nothing to worry about. What Crowder needs to do now is take those resources from those who care about him, those who respect his voice and believe in the movement. When they buy Mug Club and when they invest, he needs to then do exactly what he's saying. That's why I say he's completely right. He's like, I will sign you. I will get you this deal. Yes. Because Disney is doing ESG. They're hiring woke people at a loss because they want the politics i'll play the same damn game i could invest all of my money in something much easier you know i could call a wealth management guy and be like look we're making eight figures take all the money all the profit and invest it in in black rock and vanguard whatever garbage company that wants to destroy the planet i'm doing

that so uh you know i mentioned like we've flown in private planes i've got a model s i'll tell you exactly why i have a model s i don't want a model s i don't want an expensive car but i can't just have money sitting in the bank that is not a reality it devalues over time yeah especially with the way inflation was going what ends up happening is i'm sitting there and we have like profit come in and I'm like, okay, I have this money that came in. I want to invest it in something. We have to have a certain amount

in our savings account to run the business because when COVID happened, revenue dropped to like, we basically were sitting on top of red and that was a scary thing to see happen. Now I've got 30 plus employees. I can't go in the red. If we don't have that rainy day fund, people don't get paid. Okay, can't do that. Also, can't just have cash

in the bank. It's losing value and people want raises. So you have to buy something that will retain its value. So property in any capacity. Well, I really relate to your story. And this is, I think, why I'm a fan of yours is because you don't need to be doing what you're doing in terms of fighting in the culture war, and yet you're doing it. And this is actually one of my major disagreements with the old guard of the Libertarian Party is that they really abdicated their duty in terms of engaging in the culture war at all. They just said, let people do as they see fit. And that's not our business. We just want the government out of it.

And while obviously I agree with that sentiment, I think at the end of the day, the reason that Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh and these other people get to drag us through the mud and pretend as if we're degenerates and we have no moral fabric or culture to ourselves at all. As they should. Well, they should be doing that, but they're wrong. And I think it's because we didn't engage in that fight. So I love that you, like you were talking on the show last night about creating the coffee shops or the skate shops and having your,

our crew of media that's playing as opposed to having CNN playing in the gym and things like that. Exactly. I think it's so important that you're doing that. And the other reason I relate to your story is because I ran a private mortgage company and I was making a half a million dollars a year and I had no employees and I was just raking. I was just doing great. And I did that for 10 years. And then the lockdowns happened and I was like, oh, I've been ignoring the insanity of our world for too long. 2020 strikes. Obviously, lunatics are in charge of us. They lock us down. They screw up everything. And I'm like, well, I need to do something about this. So I shut down my company. I start Liberty Lockdown and then Tower Gang. It's like at some point, things get so dire

that we're forced to engage. And if you want to ignore that, I could have done the same thing. I could have gone out and bought bars of gold. But gold but then i'm in a i'm in a world that's hell so why would i do that if i if i could just tag on to what you were saying a couple days ago you had the krasenstein brothers on and they said something that bothered me uh everything they say about no no something that i kind of like it really stuck with me they said uh they don't like that republican legislature is uh making laws against or focusing too much on culture I'm probably paraphrasing it wrong they said they shouldn't they care too much about social issues correct yeah that's what they said they I mean I think that that you guys are completely over the target if you have pinpointed an issue in this society a linchpin that is I mean, it's holding them together, but you guys are right over it.

And when the left sees that or whoever it may be, when they see that, they kind of start to get frazzled. And they said it out loud, which to me was like kind of amazing. But I've heard it before multiple times where you're calling someone out for what they're doing. Does anyone ever talk about the healthcare policies of Iran? No. What do they talk about? What does the left talk about when it comes to countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia? Hijabs.

Women's rights. Optics. Treatment of gay people. Oh, that's true. So what happens is, on the right, you have the vanguards of social order, where they're saying like guys if we go down that path no one will ever care about health care policy because people will be dying the left like the krasensteins they're more liberal they're more default liberal they're like

i don't understand why culture matters i'm'm concerned about someone getting healthcare or a job. And I'm like, that's downstream from where we're at. I agree with you. But when the cultural apparatus is completely on that side there, every time I open my eyes, or if I turn on my phone or the TV, it's something from a left leaning cultural establishment. It's kind of hard for me to separate these two things. It's so monopolized. I really believe that if we don't engage in that fight, then the future generations are owned by their dictates and we stand no chance. So we have no choice but to engage. And the people that actually have financial capital or success or brand recognition or name recognition that exists in our space, as far as I'm concerned,

maybe it's altruistic, maybe it's too haughty and lofty, but I think that we have a duty to engage in their arena, the one that they don't want us to be engaging in. Yeah, one of the issues up to this point that Libertarian has had, I think, is that it's very live and let live, like you do you, according to politics, like your politics, but then they also said that about culture, like whatever, but the reality is we are embedded in each other's realities, like culturally, regardless of our politics politics i'm so down with letting you do your own politics over there but if it's altering the way my kids view their gender or exactly or changing the way my kids think i'm involved no matter what my political this is why i have such a harsh disagreement with the reasons

and the cato institutes of the world that frame us as being, basically, we're not permitted by their establishment, Libertarian Inc. banner to engage in this discussion whatsoever. They don't want us to comment on ESG and CRT and any of the things that are going into our culture, which is gutting our civilization. And I take that that very seriously and most libertarians i know do as well so when people recognize you know cato or reason as the standard bearers for libertarianism it drives me insane and that's why crowder crowder's done that multiple times yes but i want to i want to read these these we got a couple super chats and this is a this is a really good example of one of the biggest problems that we have in the culture war.

We got blunt news that says, Tim telling all his employees he doesn't need them, right to their face in front of the world, you're welcome to the five dollars, it's the last. Another guy says, Tim, you need to slice a humble pie. No, let me speak to that, bro. I got a guy that's being honest with me. That's the first step. That's not even it. You've basically said your employees are inconsequential. Have some respect for the people who took the risk. But this is the point.

The view of those super chatters is the purpose of the business is to make money. No. If I'm going to do anything in terms of leading a culture war charge, it's impossible without the people who work at this company. Bingo. The money is garbage. That's the point. I don't need it i'd rather i'd rather hire someone like shane cashman so that he can write these stories and profile people like carrie lake and and uh and kanye yeah

and an article the way i've explained it is what would i rather have an infinity pool or for the world to be able to read a breakdown of what happened in that courtroom with carrie lake for the world to have that article. So when someone says, like Tim's saying, his employees are inconsequential, oh, you misunderstand. They're inconsequential to me making money, but who the cares if I make money? We all care if fact-based news is being written. Hey, guess what?

We're NewsGuard certified over at TimCast.com. That's only possible thanks to our newsroom. Does the newsroom make money? It makes a little bit, but I spend more on it. Why? Because it is more important to have these people able to do the world-changing things they do than for me to buy gold. That's the point. How about this? I could, if I was that kind of guy, be like, I'm the one who makes the money. What do I need anyone else for? But I don't care about that. When you guys become members of TimCast.com, when you guys super chat, I'm basically saying,

who else can I empower to try and change the world? And it really is crazy. And I think about it and I'm like, man, like some of the stuff that's been produced by like, you know, shout out to Shane Cashman, the news team, Pop Culture Crisis. I'm like, this stuff is going to last forever and it is infinitely more valuable

than any material object. The abstract ideas that are produced. And I got to give a shout out to Shane, because I think him profiling the Cary Lake trial is a piece of history that needed to exist, and I am eternally grateful that you guys watching made that possible. He's one of the best writers I have ever. Yeah, I just want to talk about the Crowder situation here a little bit, because I think Crowder was kind of insulated away from the business aspect of what's really going on in this media sphere for a very long time when he was working at the blaze. And when he's when he's, you know, given these contracts, a lot of the times a lot of these businesses usually do very high asks in the beginning, you get a lawyer, you negotiate it down. There's a long process here

where you got to go back and forth. And there are a lot of competitive, very cutthroat individuals in this game that we do have to address that do care about themselves rather than the overall message. So when Crowder says that, I agree with him. And it's because of these contracts,

because of a lot of these cutthroat individuals, why I personally have been independent my entire career. I'm very happy that I've been independent. I'm very happy that I'm able to do what I want. And if I could talk to Crowder, if he's listening, I would say, hey, your freedom's a lot more valuable than being under any kind of contract or mandatory thing that you have to do.

For this show, I volunteer here because I like to do this. But at the same time, I don't want any kind of responsibilities. I don't want any kind of duties. I want to do what I want to do. And having that kind of freedom is more important than anything else. I've been doing this since 2006. I had my own members area for eight years on lucansensor.com. I have a lot of fun doing this. And independent media is supposed to be independent. And I think he has a pathway right now to do a lot of good. I disagree with some of his larger political ideas. But I think what he's dealing with right now is just the reality of the current situation that he's speaking about. So I'm kind of happy that he is speaking up against this and bringing attention to it. you know, being a recurring guest or co-host. And ultimately it was like a work exchange doesn't make sense between the fact,

like both of our different companies. And so Luke's like, well, I like coming on the show. And then Luke finds his own way to monetize. And that's okay. You know, you don't got to be here. You can be here if you want to be here. Regarding, it's a mutual agreement, right? It's not like nothing's forced.

Nothing is expected. We just do what we do. We love talking to each other. I love being on the show, and it's a fun time. It's a pleasure being here. And then he leaves abruptly. It's super important. Not abruptly.

I give you at least two weeks, and I give you the kind of stat. I'm like, hey, I'm going to be coming here for a few months, then leaving. But we've talked about Luke being on permanently, but Luke runs his own company. Luke travels. And to be honest with you, it's going to be very difficult to pay me because I value my time a lot, right? And it's going to be a lot of money

to be able to have me not do what I want to do. Exactly. This is a really good point, actually. Luke, you have your own t-shirt company. You have your own show. You have your own website. You have your own business entities. How could I do a contract deal with Luke?

Because the thing you have to understand about employment when you're an employer in the space you work you own the what is produced by the employee so like if you get hired by a music production studio to make music guess what your music is owned by that if like they hire you and say we're hiring you to write songs correct you're not going to go write a song and then be like, oh, but this one's mine. I wrote it later. It's like, no, we hired you to write music. You don't keep it.

So there's no way we could do something. I can't own Luke's social media. I think the nature of the problem really is that many of these creatives or these creators, they have an audience, but they're not business people. And I think that's what

differentiates some of you guys in this room, actually all of us in this room, is that we have a real entrepreneurial bent that allows us to create that revenue stream that allows us to continue to speak the truth and not be beholden to anybody. Well, I didn't really have this kind of entrepreneurial bent or understanding of business either um but you do now well yeah yeah because i studied like necessity and economics right but it's kind of amazing to rise to this level of like not of notoriety and still like especially in speaking in the political realm still not understand the economics behind it it's kind of baffling that's why immediately when i saw it i thought there's something more nefarious going on and tim's just explaining no

it's just like a numbers issue yeah i don't numbers issue. I don't blame the company who made the contract, mostly because I don't know what the fee is. And that's really important. But it changes everything. Yeah, but the contracts, the whole like we own your persona, you're in perpetuity forever, henceforth. We own the right to the Steven Crowder character.

They'll be deep faking him and making him say stuff after he's dead. Like you cannot, these are old contracts from 1990s that they're still trying to pigeonhole into modern era what they should be doing faking him and making him say stuff after he's dead like you cannot these are old contracts from 1990s that they're still trying to pigeonhole into modern era what they should be doing

is signing tech contracts roll that 20 sided I'm going to roll 100 no no no I'm saying that D I got a 96 hell yeah

that D20 with only 20s that's you're absolutely right but what they should be doing is signing tech contracts with Crowder so that they do all his back end stuff he can keep doing exactly what he likes to do and they're taking a

piece off the top five percent eight percent ten percent after cost three percent after cost not trying to hit a gold mine with the next big up and coming because it used to be that people didn't control their own proliferation of art you had to go to the network then they would proliferate it for you now you proliferate your own stuff and we need to treat these artists with that kind of respect knowing that i think i think part of the reason that not just the culture but the economy has also been taken over and dominated by the left is that we've really lost the competitive edge that i think many in the conservative libertarian sphere once had where it was like we're gonna find a way to compete with you scumbags like we're going to find a way and and i wish that instead of looking at these contracts and crowder kind of framing it

as him being a victim of it he were to say i'm going to i'm going to replace you you offer me these terrible deals because if it's if you can do that then do it yeah you don't need to complain if someone sent me this contract i would take a dump on it. I'd be like, no. I rolled a 20, by the way. Get the F out of here. Well, what you should do is... I'm a free human being. I get to do what I want. You want to monetize and control

every aspect of my existence? Hell freaking no. I think it's important. Because I could do a way better job at it myself, and no one's going to be controlling me or pulling my strings. That's what he said to me. I sent him a contract,

and then Luke just got... It's important not to get emotional when you get these weird contracts from ignorant... I took out the squatty potty too yeah like don't let your emotions charge up when you get insulting offers just stay cool and counter offer it with what you with more than what you want even give it to them give it back you know and if they laugh at it then walk away or or renegotiate but we're not we're not talking about you know 17 year old taylor swift signing a crappy contract we're talking about a 30 something year old man or 40 i don't even know how old he is one of the just like you're not a victim yeah you're not a victim here well i got i what i

would say to steven is um i think you know he's been he's been working with the blaze for so long he's not he's not been in the space it's kind of like you know when when you're in a relationship for a decade and then you break up or divorce or whatever and you're going back in the dating pool and you're like whoa this is crazy shark tank yeah like what do they expect of me right so i see this and i'm like again the first and most important thing is what's the fee because you know luke was mentioning if i got a contract take a dump on it but luke what if they offered you 200 million dollars probably one year what's your number luke 200 million dollars one year he says's your number, Luke? $200 million one year. I got to read the contract.

I got to read all of it. That would be good. But if they're going to destroy everything I do, hell no, I don't want it. They could delete his YouTube account with that contract. You could do unspeakable things to me for $200 million. Unspeakable. What was Kanye's?

You reach a certain point when you have so much money, it doesn't really matter, right? That's why I don't understand a lot of these kind of sociopaths. it doesn't really matter right that's why I don't understand a lot of these kind of sociopaths I ain't got that kind of money I don't understand a lot of these sociopaths and billionaires

yachts last night yeah but who cares I'll tell you the number is probably like $200,000 per year and then everything afterwards is confusing

it depends on true for me I'll tell you my story you know everybody knows I grew up on the south side of Chicago

poor family I remember when I bought Pokemon Red I worked at my family's coffee shop we took out loans put the house as collateral to get it

ended up losing the house when everything fell apart but I remember working for tips saving up 30 bucks and then going buying Pokemon Red and I was like

wow that was so hard for me to do and I knew kids whose parents bought them red and blue just because it was like

it was only 30 bucks what do we care my dad makes 6 six figures. I was like, oh, my dad makes $30,000 a year. So I had to work really hard for that. So for people who grow up with a really high standard of living, it's hard for them because they're so used to it. I've met a lot of people who were born to families who are millionaires. And when they're older, they're panicking about not making 500,000 a year because they're like, how do I hang out with my friends? They're flying to Ibiza next week. I got fired from my job and I got an offer.

It's $125,000. I can't fly to Ibiza on that. And I'm laughing like, I've never flown to Ibiza. I can't relate to those people, to be honest. Right. Even though I've made money like they have. So what ends up happening is I worked for Vice. Vice paid me $85,000 to start.

Because I said, guys, I don't care about the money. I could probably come in here and tell you with everything behind me, you got to pay me a lot of money. You'd probably say yes. I want guarantees. And I laid out the business guarantees that I wanted and said if that's what you can give me, then the money needs to get me an apartment and pay my bills. And they said, okay, $85,000, but we give you these three guarantees deal. After a few months, I said, you're falling short on two of the guarantees. That means you're not paying me what we negotiated. The money is ancillary.

They said, okay, we're going to get you these things to make it up for you. We'll give you another 15 grand per year. I said, okay, now I'm at a hundred. After about a year and a month or so, I came to them and said, guys, we've had three meetings. I really appreciate everything you've done for me. I quit. And they were like, I can't believe you're quitting. Who quits vice? Nobody quits vice. Fusion offered me $250,000 per year for two years, plus $200,000 in writing in my hands to take that job. So I sit down with them and they say, they wrote it down and I laughed and I'm like, they would offer me more money if I asked. Instead, I said, okay, how about this?

Instead of paying me more money, I want $300,000 a year in production budget at my discretion and $25,000 in tech at my discretion. And they said, so we don't pay you that? It's just towards what you're making? Yeah. And they're like, okay, deal. Like in their mind, they were thinking like, we would have given this guy that money for his pocket

and i'm like no no it's easier to negotiate that i want to make something important and then for them they don't lose any money they were like we're probably gonna but but what it does for me is contractually guaranteed me the ability to travel do whatever i wanted to do without impedance because i had my own budget. I got to agree. I had a very similar story, by the way. And I don't want to mention names here, but it's someone prominent that I previously looked up to. And I was like, I really want to work for these guys.

They're like, what do you want? I'm like, just pay me the minimum. Let me fly around the world. I was broke. I didn't have a job. I just really love to do this. I was like, fly me around the world. I'll cover events.

I'll do it for bare minimum. They're like, okay, is 70,000 okay? I'm like, yeah, sure. I'll risk my life for that. I'll cover riots. I'll get arrested. I don't care. And they're like, okay, fine. I went down there, signed the contract, met the CEO. We signed it together, had a dinner, shook hands. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to have a job. I packed up my car, was ready to move. This was at the peak of my career during Occupy Wall Street. And I remember just getting the best coverage. And this contract said, you can't monetize your own stuff. You can't do everything. And I was getting record views, the most views on my YouTube than ever doing live streams, interviewing, Lupe Fiasco, all these celebrities. And then they

stopped taking my phone call. And then they stopped answering my text messages. And then they stopped answering emails. And I contacted one person, a second person, a third person, and they all started ignoring me. And I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And then a couple of weeks later, like, oh yeah, sorry, we don't have enough money, which was a lie. You're too bad.

And now I lost out on some of the biggest income that I could have made. I lost out on business opportunities. And I'm like, you know, this is what I get for trying to work with anybody. I'm not going to be working with anybody. I'm going to be independent. I'm going to continue to be independent, even though I'm struggling, even though I'm not getting any money. This is why I created my members area and LukeUncensored.com, which it is right now. And I made my

own way and I'm a lot happier. And looking back at it, I am so happy. I didn't work for that company because that company had its own legal problems. And more importantly, I have my own thing that I built myself that I'm super proud of more than ever. And no one could take that away from me. I want to address some of the super chats. They're right. They're saying Crowder's not claiming to be a victim. He's calling out a few things.

One, the massive penalties and that they're based on if you get a strike on YouTube or Apple, they'll dock you fees. Yeah, I can explain that. Again, Crowder is right not to do a contract like this. But imagine I say to you, all right, Tower Gang guys, I've seen how much your podcast makes. Let's do a deal.

Right now, you guys make, we're going to do random magic numbers because I don't know how much you guys make. So I see that you guys this year made $5 million. Amazing job. Last year, you made 4.8. I think that if I sign you and manage the ads on your show, I'll take your workload down by 25% but increase your revenue growth 40% year over year because we have a big network of ads. So here's what I'll do. You got no reason to sign with me unless I pay you more than 5 million,

right? Well, it looks like you're on a trajectory to do 200,000 more this year than last year. I'll make it 500,000. I will guarantee you 5.5 this year and six in the next year for a two-year contract. Guarantee you that money. Okay, now what happens if you go on? Do we have upside though? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then after that guarantee, we take 10% of your revenue, right? Whatever the deal is.

So that way, or it's probably gonna be like 20 because we're doing a guarantee. I'm giving you a growth guarantee, but I'm so confident I can make more money that after we do this guarantee, I know I'm gonna make that five million, I'm gonna make five million this year off your show. So I'm getting confident I can make more money that after we do this guarantee, I know I'm gonna make that five million, I'm gonna make five million this year off your show. So I'm getting that money back.

You're getting guaranteed growth. I'm doing the work to grow it. And then after that growth, you still keep 80% of it. But here's the thing. What if I do this contract with you and then you go and start ranting about a cabal of people with tiny hats? And then all of a sudden you get banned from every

platform and then i'm like my guy i can't pay you money there's no money to pay you and you're like you guaranteed me five five five and then six pay up that's you know you have to have these in the contract otherwise you're basically just burning cash potentially with a you know crazy cancel culture world we live in you You have to be prepared for that. You just have to. So I imagine the deal with Crowder is they said, we're going to pay you, I don't know the number, but let's say they were like, we'll give you $15 million per year.

Guaranteed. No matter how much membership you bring in, no matter how many ads you sell, we will take the risk on our end. So here's what I imagine happens. They go to Crowder and they say, I'm looking at your numbers. I'd be willing to bet,

because we don't know, because the Blaze has those numbers. But this other company, it's probably not the Blaze because he left the Blaze. It might be the Blaze. It might be his contract renewal, for all we know.

And a lot of people, I know everybody's saying they think it's the Daily Wire, but there are a lot of companies in this space. And this could be him re-upping his contract and then getting angry. And that's why he left. We don't know.

It could be Fox, too. I mean, look how small those letters look. Right. It could say FNC. Yep. Fox News Corporation. So imagine they go to him and say, it looks like you make, based on your numbers, $12 million per year. We'll give you $15.

That means we are going to risk $3 million of our money that we don't know if we'll get back. That also means if you're willing to accept $3 million more per year that you normally don't get, you have to be responsible in terms of how these platforms operate. That means if Facebook gives you a strike, if YouTube gives you a strike,

and you can't make that money, here's what we're going to do. We're going to give you a flat percentage docking on our guarantee. Now, a lot of people think that's a bad thing, but think about this. If you get a strike on, and I do think the contract is bad, by the way, but I'll explain. If you get a strike on YouTube, you guys got a strike. You got two strikes. You can't produce for 90 days.

So that's 25%. Yeah, of a year. It's insane. Of the whole year, no money can be generated for 90 days. So that's 25%. Yeah, of a year. It's insane. Of the whole year, no money can be generated on these platforms. And they won't even tell me what I said wrong. Well, they might. So imagine-

But let's hope. Somebody says, I'll do a deal with you where I'll guarantee you money, but if you get knocked out for three months, we're not going to pay you that money. Correct. Here's what I think

with this contract Stephen was offered. The fees, exorbitant. The response from Crowder, in my opinion, should have been a response with, remove the fees, assume the risk, and we got a deal. Yeah, counter. Yeah. But I think that the issue is, as he points out,

he's in a position to say no to this, and younger people aren't. And the fees listed in this contract are ridiculous. Like 25% for a YouTube strike? Like, dude, one YouTube strike is two weeks. And younger people aren't. And the fees listed in this contract are ridiculous. They are. Like, 25% for a YouTube strike? Like, dude, one YouTube strike is two weeks. True. Not three months.

No, it's actually one strike, I think, is only one week. And then it's two weeks. And then it's permanent. But it's still, you have to, you reconfigure the entire nature of the show after you receive those strikes. Because you have to, like, completely reformulate your brain to try and stay safe. But the reason that I framed it as Crowder kind of behaving in a victim mentality, and if he's doing it just to look out for young creators that he doesn't want them to go down this path, God bless. It seemed as if he was putting himself a little bit more in that position. And the reason I bring it up is because,

you know, when I worked for someone else, I never made more than six figures except for one year in my life. And as soon as I started working for myself for a decade, I made $300,000, $400,000, $500,000. You don't get paid as much as you're worth unless you're willing to take the risk of working for yourself. And that's just a truth. It's just reality. And so many young people, and I'm not saying Crowder's in this camp, but so many people, they don't want to take that risk anymore. They don't want to have all of the pressure, but they still want that golden parachute of working for some corporation that's going to make their life really smooth and easy. That's just not reality. You have to take these risks if you want to get those outsized returns. So if Crowder is making crazy money already,

I understand why he would crap on this contract, as you've said, but at the same time, go do it on your own. Take dump on it i specifically said just to clarify and i was in a very similar position as an independent journalist i was i was incurring a lot of risk i didn't have uh health insurance i was getting injured in the field i was getting arrested didn't have lawyers didn't have anyone to bail me out i had nothing i was like i need someone to make sure if i get injured or hurt that i could still pay the medical bills if i get arrested there's a lawyer there that's going to bail me out. I had none of that. And that's why I wanted to work with someone.

And then, you know, I got screwed over by this one company that really hurt me financially. And I was like, that's it, screw it. I just got to do it on my own. And people don't understand when you make a profit, essentially a lot of people look down on you. Like, oh, you're making a profit. Like that profit is for insurance.

That profit is my retirement. That profit is me getting hurt and injured seriously and still being able to eat. Yeah. People don't understand. I need to eat. I need to live. And if there's medical bills

that I'm going to have in the future, I'm on those on myself and no one else is. I think this is why I got so angry that I couldn't record today. Like this morning,

I'm sitting here angry. I took ibuprofen because ibuprofen reduces swelling and allows you to talk. That's the only reason I was able to record yesterday but you can only take so much because it stops the mucus production in your stomach and then you get ulcers so i'm like if i don't work employees don't get paid you will now with the direct subscriptions monthly you can take days exactly it's a lot easier this is important too and thank you for bringing that

up if when we were on the ad model, when we had no memberships, I knew that if I did not work one day, that meant money was gone. That goes to employees. Granted, look, we have healthy profits. So it's basically me just being like, I lose money, I have to pay for it. I don't get a paid time off.

I have to eat that and dish it out. With memberships, it's almost like now you guys are all standing together, holding this place up. So this morning, I'm like, I need to take this morning off and give my voice some time. Yeah. That's actually what a lot of them want. In the comments, they're like, please rest. We enjoy your content. We need you.

Well, I mean, see, I totally get it, though, because I was an entrepreneur. And it pains you not so much because of what damage it does to you, but because of the vision you have for who you're going to bring on. I know you brought on Phil from All That Remains, I believe, recently. Phil Labonte. Yeah, Labonte. Josie, the Redhead Libertarian. I know she does some outside media work for you guys, too. And it's like, these are all things that if you don't continue to grind,

you don't get to grow and assist these people and allow them to have a platform. The fact that you bring on smaller shows like ours, Tower Gang or Liberty Lockdown or whoever else, and you do it every day, it's such a huge benefit to our movement. And I know we all have our own little niches and things like that. I'm more the ANCAP libertarian variety. You guys have conservatives that come on, but like, this is this, it's a very small world, man. That's the one thing I've noticed as I've traveled around. There are so few outlets for people like us. I'm glad to see that there's competitors that are entering the space. We need a hell of a lot more of it and God bless them. And, and if it's

daily wire or the blaze or whoever's drafting these contracts, I hope you guys will reflect on the nature of them and hopefully you'll improve it. Don't prove Kanye right. But we do need more people that are willing to engage in this arena. And if you're not willing to take the risk, then just understand that you're not going to get the maximal rewards. I didn't take vacations for over five years. I paid everything out of pocket um and at the end of the day i had an enormous amount of liability that was laying out there in my loan book that i could have been dragged through court for the rest of my life you know and and people

don't ever look at that side of things they just go like well you made a lot of money so you owe civilization and you're a bad guy it's like it's not real man that's how it goes yeah i want to clarify too because people people are super chatting a lot like no tim you don't understand crowder said this is you know no no no no look look crowder is completely right i commented he's like right about all of it the issue is that these companies are operating as these companies have to operate for what they are and as ian pointed out this is like the 90s way of doing things this doesn't work anymore in the modern era steven crowder is the entrepreneur and the personality so he can make there's no need for a network the guys who run these networks like fox news or whatever they're not on tv they're not telling you

their thoughts they're not leading the charge in the culture war they're not producing content they're managing a business yeah well in today's day and age that person's the employee not the boss so right now what happens is someone who should be an employee is offering a contract to Steven Crowder. Steven Crowder should be the boss. Steven Crowder is supposed to be the one being like, look, look, I'm the captain of the ship. It's inverted. Exactly. And that's the problem with the system. It's been that way for a long time. Now, that being said, there are going to be a lot of people who do not have what it takes to run a business. Because this is what I was trying to get to.

When I was mentioning earlier about how it would be so much easier just to get rid of everything and just do my own YouTube channels, it is extremely hard to run and manage and maintain all this stuff. Oh, yeah, man. It's like 16-hour days. I can't even imagine. And the value in it is I don't want to leave this world with a bunch of crackpot psychotic cultists of a non-theistic religion controlling things.

And it all started for me because I'm like, I really hate liars. When I was starting this, I was like, I want to travel and tell people what I'm seeing, do new stuff. And then all of a sudden, they lied about everything I did, Sweden. And then I'm like, okay, I'm going to call you out for lying. And then that's like a big component of it. These people are evil. They lie every day. Look what they did to Kyle Rittenhouse.

Just like, I mean, they've still negatively impacted this kid's life. They tried to destroy it. So that's what it's all about. And that means we're entering an interesting space. There is infinitely more power in ESG businesses like Disney than in, say, like the Daily Wire. Now you're speaking my language. But this is the challenge how do you compete like the daily wire has got to make money disney doesn't yeah facts and the

reason they don't is because of the relationship to the government and and the world economic forum and all of the the oh go ahead it's you're mostly right i was just going to say also that they own so much ip true that the average person will just pay the 10 bucks because they're like, I can watch Flubber. Yeah. Well, and I think that the audience is not going to like this, but at the end of the day, we do need to, as consumers of this media, the people that want to see something different in the world that isn't perverted and messing up our children, you need to put your money where your mouth is. You can't just continue to consume free content. This is why we have to diversify.

We're on Rumbles, of course, libertylockdown.locals.com as well for people that want to support the show so that I can actually tell the truth. If I can get enough people that are doing that, then I don't have to worry about deplatforming and things like that. But the ESG factor in this is such a big deal.

And it drives me crazy because ultimately it's becoming a partisan issue where you have red state governors are really engaging in this. And God bless them. We need it. But at the same time, I wish it weren't partisan in nature. I wish we understood that having a monolithic globalist perspective on how to utilize and manipulate capital markets to try and reimagine the world in your image, well, you're not always going to be in charge. Just the same concept of like,

do you want Donald Trump to have these powers? No, you don't. Well, then maybe it's not okay when Biden does it. Same concept with ESG. Yes, right now it is being utilized to propagate a very neoliberal world order. Well, what if that dynamic changes? Because it inevitably will. Maybe it'll be 100 years, but it's going to change at some point. Do we want big business to be reimagining our civilization? The answer, to me, is clearly no, particularly when it nameless faith uh faceless bankers that are primarily uh responsible for this stuff or if they are known they're they're at davos with

500 security guards and hookers 5 000 and hookers 5 000 was it 5 000 soldiers oh my god we're given police power or coercion if you need 5 000 soldiers to protect yourself you're doing something wrong you're doing something wrong and You're doing something wrong. And I'm not at all wanting them to be threatened or injured at all. But there's a reason that people are so concerned about your trying to manipulate and coerce the entire world. We're talking 8 billion people that you want all to live in this particular worldview where carbon emissions are such a danger where the thing that i exhale makes me a danger to every man woman and child on earth it's a very anti-human perspective and ultimately it's anti-capitalist this is one other talking

point that i have to get across is that this is not capitalism that we're dealing with and when people talk about it as if it is, it drives me absolutely insane. This is a fascistic model. Crystal clear fascistic model. And you can't then hold that up and say, look at all of these evil things that are happening in our world. This is why we have to go towards socialism. We're basically down that path already.

You know the big challenges? These ESG companies, ESG is the prerequisite for financial investment. Yes. So in West Virginia, these fossil fuel companies, coal or whatever, are like,

hey, we need a loan of $5 million to expand our operation, hire more employees. And they go, no. And then someone comes out and says, we want to do Drag Queen Story. And they're like, oh, how much do you need for that?

And you know where that money comes from? The Federal Reserve. How do you compete with an industry that can print infinite money for itself? You cannot abolish the Federal Reserve. But doesn't that make this whole thing? It just means it's harder. And that means we need all of these companies that are in the independent and anti-establishment space to be operating on the exact same capacity. Don't hire woke people.

Hire people who believe in freedom. Empower people who believe in freedom. So this is the point of- And if you're a consumer of that media, support people that are providing that media. You really have to. If you want to see that, you have to actually contribute. So this is basically everything that we do here and why we do it. Why do we hire the people we hire? Because their job is to be a positive influence on the world. And that's more important

than the revenue. We're an ideological company in a sense. Big time. Timcast makes money. Yeah. The other shows make money, but Timcast makes

the overwhelming majority of it. And then that money is the resource that we use to have people make cool and good and positive things. I love it. We need a hell of a lot more of it.

I was just, I was just going to comment on like how absurd it is when you really think about like this whole thing is over fake money and the message that it's that the division that it'll cause in the conservative movement, which I'm not a conservative, so whatever, but it's just interesting to see them kind of squabble over this and it's all just fake money in the end of the day yeah the fed the federal reserve prints it out of thin air it's going to be worthless anyway soon and he's so so crowded yeah you don't

need to worry about this don't worry it's all going to be devalued at the end of the day what are you going to have your experiences your own company what you built yourself don't let anyone else build anything for you but this this is, again, my strategy. People are built different. This is just who I am after being through a lot of rough, crazy situations in my life dealing with other businesses. Who knows? Maybe he'll strive more and be better under a contract. But for me personally, there's a road to take. I'm taking that road. I just think it's so important that we encourage people that share our value system and have the drive that we do in this room to actually follow that passion and follow that path.

Because there's just been such a dearth of entrepreneurial spirit. And I get it. I get it. It's so stacked against you, especially if you're like a young college graduate and you're coming out and you're like, you understand ESG,

which obviously makes you a very rare 23-year-old or whatever. But say you do understand it. You know what an uphill slog that's going to be. You're going to try and compete head-to-head with the biggest businesses that have ever existed in human history. And at the end of the day, they have a sweetheart deal with all of the biggest governments on earth. Oh, on top of that, they have a sweetheart deal with the central banks of the world where they can just buy fiat create debt and credit like i get it but it doesn't matter we have to compete we have to try if we just acquiesce and we we were talking about the black pill earlier right

that's true yeah if we give up it's over right we can't give up right we have to try one thing you mentioned earlier tim is that uh wondering like is everyone cut out to run a company or a business or something like that no the answer is no no they're not and there's a difference that's important to keep in mind between a business and a company a company is a type of business that involves two or more people which is why it is come penny with patriot you know with people come penny penny. And companion, you know? You can have a business as a sole proprietor. As soon as you start hiring people or bringing other people on, you become a company.

And at that point, do you want to run a company? Do you want to be involved with other people's day-to-day activity? Do you want to be taking meetings? Do you want to be intricately responsible for these people's behavior? That's the question. And that's awesome. It's like an art form we we've been offered deals by all the big players in the space and all the deals were bad and i'm just like man i don't know what these companies are doing we

could write a cool tech deal not that we we don't do tech at timcast but we could the the tech you talking about is this like like an NFT contract? Can you explain that? No, I would do like, we would set up hosting or navigate to some sort of hosting like on Rumble, build like a front end and make sure that if there's bugs, we have developers that are fixing the bugs on the fly 24-7. And so we would technically help you host your own content

and provide your subscribers a direct revenue to you. And then we could technically take money off the top if we wanted to. I'm building a charity right now that's building this software. So ultimately it'll be free for everyone to use and I'm not taking anything for it. All these companies call me non-stop.

Whenever there's drama, there's a lot that I won't talk about because i don't think it changes the political the political landscape you know if it did i i would come out just be like sorry guys you know but there's there's private stuff and i always try to avoid things that i think might hurt it's standard journalistic ethic it's minimize harm but i'll tell you uh i i've i've talked with the blaze for years uh said no every time uh i've talked with the daily wire i've talked with rumble you know there's a couple other companies that we we've negotiated with and some we've done deals with and uh i just say no to all of them and i think one of the things these companies don't get is where we are in the modern landscape i think they're hoping

i think i think they're hoping that someone like me is a guy who's like just wants to sit in the room and go on camera and then go play ball with it with his kid or you know future kid or something like that or dog or whatever that's what they're trying to sell you on yeah and and they do they they all say the same thing like you shouldn't be worrying about this stuff man exactly you know like let us take care of the heavy lifting. And I'm just like, you know what's going to happen? I'll tell you what's going to happen. I say this to every single person I've ever talked to in any company.

And I learned my lesson with Fusion. But I got paid. And I used that money to invest and build this. I'm like, we're going to start. We're going to be excited. We're going to get the ball rolling. Six months in, I'm going to come to you and say, problem X is solved by Y. And you're going to say, okay, well, I don't have time to deal with this someone will take care of it i say no it's

a problem in my life that needs to be solved now for the show and if i don't have the authority to do it then i'm going to be in a very bad mood and then you're not going to be able to so there's no point in doing these contracts that and yeah i just i i think these these companies they're archaic they can sit down and explain to you exactly why. Like I mentioned, why they do the penalty deal with Crowder's contract. And then Crowder's appropriate response is, that's insane. It wasn't insane 20 years ago. It wasn't insane 30 years ago.

But it is now when Crowder is the captain of the ship, and he should be the one running it, and they should be working for him. Let me add one thing, because I probably blackmailed a lot of people by demonstrating how challenging it is going to be to compete and succeed in this space. However, because of the monopolistic power, or at least oligopolistic power that these operators have, they don't face a lot of real competition. So when there is genuine competition, and also they're very bureaucratic, they very slow moving they become very comfortable overly confident that is all areas of opportunity for for entrepreneurs to try and rise up there's enormous market demand for honest dialogue your success has been very clearly proof of that so

there is market demand but there is also captured markets that make it very challenging to enter and compete in that space. But it doesn't mean that we can't create competing avenues and platforms. I pray to God that Rumble, because it does seem to be like they're the real deal so far, I pray to God that them, locals, these competition actually rise up and they create an opportunity for that market demand to be met because there is a demand and entrepreneurs should realize that. I've had private conversations with several big YouTube channels. Many of these big channels have contacted me and said, look, these contracts are really bad. What do we do? We should form a network, blah, blah, blah. And I say, no, every

time. What you're asking is impossible. The network model won't work. So here's an idea that's been floated around by a bunch of people you know and love behind the scenes who I'll leave nameless because it's their business, but I'll tell you about my experience. I get phone calls. We do group calls and they're like, we need to compete. We need to change the game. How can we do it? Let's create a network. Let's create a single destination for all these big creators. And then we'll figure out a way to split the revenue. And I say, okay, how do you split the revenue? We can do it by when someone signs up, they can write down the name of someone.

What if they write down nothing? What if they sign up as a general member? Where does that money go? Well, we split it evenly. Is that fair? What if I'm getting 60 million per month and you're getting 500,000? I'm giving you half the money that comes in.

It's not fair to me. Why would I do that? What if you're getting 100 million and I'm getting 50 million? I get half your money. That makes sense. I'm making a third of the revenue. So I've had these conversations over and over again because everybody wants to coalesce and use this network. The idea is there is an individual out there who's like, man, I love Tim Kist. And then he goes, man, I love Crowder. I'm not going to spend 10 bucks for either of them. Wait a minute. They're bundled together and 10 bucks gets me both. Now I'll do it. That's what these people think will happen.

But what ends up happening is someone like Crowder with 6 million followers will get half a million people to watch on election night. He'll get 50,000 people to sign up instantly. And then good luck sorting who signed up for who and how much everyone deserves. You might be able to set it up so you have to toggle who you're signing up for in order to sign up or everyone has their own unique links and websites but it goes to the same centralized thing so uh crowder has mug club you have yeah yeah so but but they all go to the same place and they all get everything in a bundle well so that means i'm giving my content away for free and someone's giving 10 bucks to you. You give a small percentage, right?

How do you determine the percentage? You could do it by viewership. Who gets the percentage of viewership? It's going to be complicated. It's not easy. I'm not saying I have the solution. I'm just spitballing here. It's impossible.

I don't know. Because if I was signing up, say it's you and Steve Crowder are splitting it. I sign up and I have to pick you or Steve in order to sign up. So you have that data. And then if there's a smart contract behind the scenes where, this is futuristic, but if the money is split automatically, 72% to you, 28% to Steven, based on the subscriber

data, that might work. You know what'll happen? Let's say Bob, Jim, and Jill do this deal. Bob's got a million. Jim's got 500,000. Jill's got 5 million. She's a very attractive podcaster. Everybody wants to follow her. And then the money comes in, and then you've got this big jumbled mess of numbers. 763,896 the first week.

432,896 the first week 432,896 the second week you got 13% signed up for Jill, 7% said Bob, 12% said Jim or whatever name I remember and then one day someone goes in and says, hold on man I only got paid $300,000 a month

normally we do $500,000, what happened? well let's look at the numbers, no, that can't be right. How are you getting more money than me? This is, everybody fights, everybody yells. It's not going to work. It does sound like an optimal situation for a smart contract system to be developed where you could automate the payments

based on the math behind the scenes. Everything's on a blockchain or open source. So if you have questions, you just take it up with the math. That'd have to be a really smart contract multiple smart this is the question the question is timcast.com is wholly independent with no investors with uh no no outside financing just customers and and advertisers yeah the advertisers are almost entirely programmatic meaning we have very very few direct sponsors i think we have like eight or ten it changes with

the podcast audio version obviously you guys know we do virtual shield biotrust like that's basically the only two sponsors we have then periodically we do pepper speak stuff and then uh for the podcast version we have a handful it's like you know bambi and like you know things like that hartford gold there's like five or six and And so almost all of it's programmatic. Why would I create any kind of mud in this company's revenue stream by doing a partnership deal in the hopes that I can increase revenue by a certain percentage

by teaming up with someone like Steven Crowder? I think you'd only be able to bring in someone of comparable clout. I hate to use that term, but you know, someone that lesser. Oh, interesting. Why? Someone of comparable clout. I mean, we're looking at two people who have comparable amounts of revenue who are now going to argue about the gains in which direction it goes. That's true. But I mean, there is, there is strength in, in networking. I just think you're right though, that obviously a formal network creates infighting and jealousy and competition, especially if you have two alphas that are like on the, on the rise

anyways, and waiting for their money. This, this system only makes sense to the businessman whose sole job is to maintain it for, for Steven Crowder. And for me, there is zero reason for either of us to do a network deal. Because at the end of the day, Steven can pick up his phone and talk to his phone with no crew, with no employees, and he makes money. Same thing for me, because we are the people creating the content.

So the people you'll hear advocate for these deals are the people who do nothing but these deals. That's it. They're like, if I can bring all these guys together, I'm going to make money off the top. Well, you could do you and Steven together 14 bucks a month. So already you're making seven instead of 10. You're going to take a hit. But then the idea would be you'd get more like 40% of a 10,000 multiple is better than 100%

of a one times multiple. can't predict it it's unpredictable that's true a cultural issue where people are they want what's uh expedient and not not what's meaningful so like you know if you get if you get deleted off of twitter you don't exist to me and that's just the way it is yeah i've seen it a thousand times and i think you know it's good that this discussion is out there right now because people need to start to like open up their mind to what's actually going on here. Like you said, we need to support these creators. If it's $10 a month, I like Crowder.

If it's $10 a month, I like Tim Cass. Let's do both. I'm not going to spend $10 elsewhere. This needs to be out there more. The devastating part about it is even though I have a pretty passionate fan base, I get nuked from YouTube for a couple weeks. I start a Rble channel up you still see like even though i have one tenth the subscribership over on rumble my viewership is only cut in half so like a lot of my people are still rocking with me even though

you know subscriber limit is is way reduced um but it's just it's interesting how how platform captured people are i Make an audio podcast. I have two YouTube channels. Yes, I do. I do too. I have two YouTube channels. One of them I stopped using in 2008. It was called CrossMac

and I was like, I don't like that people are calling me CrossMac to my face. I want to be branded Ian Crossland. So I made a new channel. People still comment on CrossMac that I'm like, oh my God, you still make videos.

Like I'll make a new video every once in a while on CrossMac. Not only are they siloed on a platform, they're siloed on channels. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's so true. So we could break that with a multi-network system, too. That would be great.

You want to know the worst thing in the world is YouTube is like one of the worst platforms. Let me do some math real quick. I think on Apple, Spotify, and the audio platforms, you will make, let me do some quick math here. What do we get? I think you'll make like five times as much money off ads. Or maybe it's way more than that.

Oh, it's big. Are you saying versus video? Oh, dude, it's huge. Like for whatever reason, YouTube ad revenue is gutter trash. Yes. If you can get 25 per thousand CPM is kind of standard on audio. Like that's 300,000 views downloads on a podcast on a daily show.

You're going to be making, holy crap. You're talking 7,500 per ad? Yep. It declines500 per ad? Yep. It declines as the ad goes on. But you've got to be making like 10 million per year if you're at those numbers. Easy. Easy. And this is why.

On YouTube, if you're getting 300,000, you're getting 300,000 views will get you 1,000 bucks. Yeah. So you'll make $300,000 per year on YouTube with the same amount of traffic. Depending on your channel, too, because my channel compared to other channels is getting 30 times less than what channels are supposed to be getting. 30 or 3?

10 to sometimes 30. Wow. But I confirm 10. I think that might be an ethics violation. It's just a special thing. We should not be playing favorites about who gets more money. That's like social justice crap.

Well, YouTube justifies it by saying, this channel is a little bit too spicy and not advertiser-friendly. This channel is advertiser-friendly, and that's how they kind of justify it. My counter to that is let the advertisers speak for themselves. Exactly, let the advertisers speak. Even though there's not a big difference between the two content, YouTube still deems like, hey, this is not good. This is good.

This is what we like. After we just got done bad-mouthing networks and saying how unfeasible all of this is for the past hour and a half, I got to say that our boys, Dave Smith and Luis J. Gomez, Gas Digital, they have signed Tower Gang to Gas Digital. I just wanted to shout out, Luis, you're like a brother to me. Thank you so much for bringing us on board. We call him Lewis the Peach. Your contract looks a little bit like that, and I'd like you to work on it.

But other than that, we appreciate you putting your love and faith in us. Tell me about Gas Digital real quick. Gas Digital is basically largely a comedy platform, and Tower Gang being our more comedy, deranged, lunatic outlet, we knew we weren't long for YouTube, so we had to find a platform

that would take care of us in terms of just allowing us to, you know, say insane humor wherever it leads us. And gas digital is uncensored. Gas digital network.com. Yep. You got it. So, you know, thinking about the daily wire, for instance, cause they've signed a whole bunch of people, you know, they keep adding new, new talent. My, My view when I look at this stuff is maybe it's just me. I personally cannot relate to the desire wholly to sign a deal with another company and have them take everything over. To be fair, I completely understand the thought of like, man, imagine if you could make some amount of money and then you didn't have to think about any of the business and stuff. And you can just do your show and then mind your own business. But I've been down that rabbit hole.

I know where that goes. Well, it's that, but it's also the success and the resources that you now have at your disposal that so few creators have. Especially if you're starting out early on, you're trying to make ends meet. So if you have a network that comes to you and they say, I see talent here. I'm going to guarantee you a living that comes to you and they say, I see talent here, I'm going to guarantee you a living wage, as Bernie Sanders might say, they're going to jump at it. You know, what's really funny is seeing this story from Crowder. This is the identical story to the record label stories 20, 30 years ago. I was just thinking that. Yeah. But I also kind of

see it as, I think it's a Benjamin Franklin quote where he says uh don't trade Liberty for security you'll get neither this is kind of what's going on here I mean we did with kovat they we do it all the time there there's a there there are people who only want to make music and they're never gonna monetize that music and you got to find somebody who can but you know I think my view of this whole thing is like, dude, if you're a personality of any size, hire a manager. And I'm talking about an employee who works for you. And they do what you tell them to do or they're fired. Don't sign a contract with another guy that makes you the employee or the quote-unquote contractor.

The only reason I consider gas is because, as I've already explained, I am financially free. I didn't need to go that route. But I don't want to create a network and a platform that allows for uncensored conversation. It's such a huge swing. Also, his network is filled with the most hardcore, insane comics on earth. I wanted to be in that world because I'm not a comedian. So it made a perfect fit for us. But at the end of the day, you're absolutely right.

If you can, if you have the willpower and the work ethic, it will benefit and behoove you to go that route. I'll tell you exactly why Tim Cass is independent. Because like I said, we've talked with The Blaze. We've talked with Rumble. We've talked with The Daily Wire. We've talked to a bunch of companies. And I'm friends with all of them.

Don't agree with them on everything, of course. Nobody owes me anything. I'm not going to come out and be like, oh, this company came and offered me this. I'm like, well, they didn't owe me anything.

You know what I mean? But here's the problem. If I sign a deal with one of these companies, what if I want to get a billboard on Sunset Strip that says Liz Cheney's a fat pig? That'd be awesome.

And they're going to tell me no. They're going to be like, you got to understand. And I'm going to be like, I'm going to say anything, I don't understand anything, dude. I work for myself. I can take out a 95-foot tall billboard and Times Square with my rooster on it. I work for you.

I got to go through your legal team. And they're going to tell me no. And that's just not worth it. Especially if one of the goals of your company is impact investment, like you said earlier, like changing the world. That's a lot of corporations are just profit, profit, profit. If it's not profitable, it's not happening

and you gotta watch out for that. I can imagine Chicken City is very profitable these days, right Tim? It was initially. I mean the eggs. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh,

they're like a buck a piece. They're worth a dollar, dude. Organic chicken eggs? Yo, I told you guys. I gave some to my personal trainer. He's like, I'm so happy, thank you so much.

I bet you just crack those and drink them. I've been huddling eggs for like two years. Moonshot, baby. Let let me tell you guys i'll tell you guys some stuff i think there's been two instances where i've reached out to youtube before a show to give them give them a warning and ask for their perspective uh one was alex jones that one's obvious i can't remember the other one but i emailed like heads up alex jones will be coming on the show it was the first time interesting and uh and they said there's no issues nothing on

our end for us to note on i said okay well you know fair warning it's happening then they gave us a strike and i immediately contacted them and said for what reason they gave us a bs reason i said bs that's not true blah blah they said we don't care i said how about the portion you can test we just snip from the show and everything's fine. And they said, no. And then I'm like, you're playing dirty games, man. So you know what I did? I called up Michael Malice and Alex Jones and said, when's the soonest you can come back on the show? We're doing it again.

You sign a deal with one of these companies, you can't do that. I'm not an unreasonable guy, but I'm not a fan of censorship. I know that YouTube is trying to run a business. I don't trust them. I think they're an ESG company. But I also know that when you want to win a battle, you win first, you know, Sun Tzu,

you win first, then you go to war. Ambushing YouTube, it's just like, when they tell me on paper, you're good, that's legal weaponry. I can then be like, we had, they were, you know, they said to me, I abided by the terms. It gives me legal grounds. Well, this is why they won't even tell me why they struck me.

And it's also why they don't give us strikes. They don't want that to be in writing. They don't want to give me a timestamp because then I can actually counter it and say, well, is this dangerous conspiracy theorizing? And it's also, I think, there's a couple of reasons. Matt Gaetz asked us on Friday, how come we're still here? And I'm like, I got a variety of reasons. One of them is, I think, YouTube, for one, they're probably watching.

I know a bunch of the employees watch all the time. We consistently have the most viewed live show for the night in this time slot, and in general. But they also, I think, know that my communications with them have set a set legal groundwork not too dissimilar to alex berenson where if i reach out and say alex jones is coming on the show here's what we're going to do give me your advisement and they say you're good no advisement he's allowed to talk and then they give me bs that puts them in an interesting legal legal position of course well people need to understand about these deals with with youtube facebook and twitter don't think of it as you signed up for a website. Think of it like you sat down with Susan Wojcicki or whatever her

name is and said, let's do a business deal. I will make a show. You distribute that show, sell the ads on it, and we'll split the revenue. Most goes to me. And she said, yes. If she breaches that contract and makes up a reason for it, you can sue for breach of contract. And Alex Berenson did, and he won. So that gives you leverage. I also think the size of the show gives us leverage, too, to be honest. You think? Yeah, of course.

You have the ability to actually reach someone and get an answer. I've appealed multiple times on both of these strikes. They give me nothing. I know there's one based YouTube employee out there watching right now. I need you to help me, people. I think so look after liberty lockdown under the strike you might have to sue i and honestly i will if i have to but i don't want to go that path i'm not i'm not in this for war i really i'm not i'm a peaceful person at the end of the day but if you bring it to my doorstep yeah i'll engage there's a thing this is the this is the challenge man the the no one ever said it was going to be easy true and so for people who are listening i'll tell you But if you bring it to my doorstep, yeah, I'll engage. This is the challenge, man.

No one ever said it was going to be easy. True. And so for people who are listening, I'll tell you this. Without naming the individuals who I have been in communication with people who are making challenges against YouTube. And I'll leave it at that. There's a lot more to the story. Of course. But let's just say, you know, I'm not sitting on my hands as YouTube does these censorious things.

Thank you. A lot of people message me all the time and they're like, can you email them and tell them? And I'm like, no, I can't. Yeah. Because I've done it before. And they respond with, don't waste our time, basically. Yeah, so. Incredible. Some of these terms where they're like, we can ban anyone at any time for any reason

is really disturbing. We had that at Mines. We were like, I don't feel right putting this in the terms. Like, well, we kind of have to. Plus, they changed the terms without you even agreeing to them. That's a problem, too. I think those term changes should have to go to Congress. Any big social media network that wants to change the terms of service

should send that to Congress. There should be a bill or something on the floor where they have to at least acknowledge it and read it. This is a good point because did we used to have, I guess, I don't know, I'm assuming, no, did we used to have mass contracts like this? Imagine it's 1950 and a company says, oh, you want to come into my building? Everybody sign this contract giving me the rights over your likeness and distribution.

I'm sure there's waivers for admittance into buildings and stuff that have existed. But we're talking now in the scale of 300 million, a billion people who've mass signed a contract. What happens when Facebook says we've updated our terms? How is sending me an email that goes to spam due notification? I disagree. Yeah. Well, it's- Haven't just signed it, but haven't read it. Most of the people haven't read it because it's too long. It's too general. People aren't lawyers. So that's something that does need to get dealt with. And them changing it halfway when you're invested in the company when when you put your entire life your entire livelihood on a business model and they just

come along say now we're going to change the business model retroactively for no reason because we want to right that's that's just evil it should be they should send you the full terms when they change make changes every every change should be highlighted and then on the right side of the page you see all of the granular changes listed one after the other and then you you click it and it links you right to the spot in the terms where it happened. That'd be amazing. But the other thing that really bothers me about this is that, yes, the terms of service is a constantly moving window. But also, I mean, first off, you can cap that at like, say, 400 words or something so that people could actually read it. That'd be nice.

But the thing that really concerns me most about this misinformation disinformation clause that they include in there is that ultimately, many like I've had Dr. Joseph Latipo, the Surgeon General of Florida, I've had on Dr. Robert Malone, I've had on all of these people who have been either deplatform censored, had smack talked about them everywhere over the past three years, much of the information that they were trying to convey, in hindsight, turns out to be pretty darn accurate. But in that period, if you were to have some of those people on your YouTube channel, you would have been struck. I mean, it's crazy the evolution of wearing masks,

then not wearing masks, then wearing masks. Of course. The guidelines all changed on YouTube. Yeah. The vaccine transmission stuff. Like Sam Harris, have you guys seen this clip from Sam Harris going viral? This is the episode I got struck. He needs an intervention, this man. Yeah. The vaccine transmission stuff. Like Sam Harris. Have you guys seen this clip from Sam Harris going viral? This is the episode I got struck.

He needs an intervention, this man. Yes. You know what I think happened with Sam Harris is that he was so scared to be outside of the liberal mainstream line.

Facts. And with the intellectual dark web stuff and when he was with Bill Maher talking about Islam, it was still within the liberal tribe to say the things he was saying, but he was edgy. Then when it came to the lockdowns and the,

and the mandates and all that stuff, you could not deviate. And so he stayed with it. And now the information's changed and he can not come out and apologize. He has to just keep doubling down. The man needs an intervention. If he sat down with Jordan Peterson and Brett Weinstein and he said, look, guys, I was wrong about so much of this and I was hotheaded. Will you ever forgive me?

I hope they would say yes because I would. I would say, Sam, welcome back. Let's get back to the conversation. See, that's the thing. I've made this pitch many times. I just want you to deal in reality. you guys have lived in your own delusions while also simultaneously classifying me as some vector for you know death uh and and a misinformation agent and all these other things look i don't even i don't even care we bygones be bygones however you have to face

reality and it'd be nice if you would have just say, you know what? I overreacted. As opposed to Sam Harris, which by the way, I have an episode coming out tonight right after this ends called Sam Harris has lost his mind because he has. He can't deal with the fact that he was so catastrophically wrong on something. And he's a person that values his rationality at the highest level. This is why he thinks of religious people as being such rubes, right? Because he's so rational, and God is not a rational thing, because it requires faith. But he is so deeply irrational, and he is so clearly following down a religious line of thinking when it comes to the COVID hysteria, and he can't come

to terms with it. And it's tragic, honestly. Do you think we should be carving out a path of redemption for someone like Sam Harrison? I'd even go as far as to say, and this is, I guess, cold-hearted, but even like Jordan Peterson, like he said, I feel like these people have been very important, especially in the lives of young men, and they've kind of led them down a path, like Jordan Peterson with the vaccines. And some of the other things he said and I'm just kind of like I'm not ready to discard you but I'm ready I've been ignoring you for a while I just don't know what to do with these with some people there's got to be a path to redemption otherwise people will just go the other direction but how about if you don't say come to

me they'll walk away from you Sam doesn't want redemption do you think that there's more people coming up though like there's more perspective, there's more prospects in our horizon that probably have something to say, maybe better or maybe equal to what these guys have said? Let me put it this way. You're on a battlefield and you got red on one side, blue on the other. Let's say green and yellow. We don't want to make it red and blue. And you're on the green side and a yellow dude with his hands up drops his weapon and starts walking towards you or waving a white flag. What do you say?

Do you shoot him? No, no, no. You say, bring him in. Do you give him access to your secret documents? No. But you say, thank you for coming over. Perhaps I worded it incorrect. Not that there shouldn't be a path for redemption,

but obviously we're like, okay, you kind of messed up here uh jordan which i named my whole brand after you because he was you know i looked up to the guy um but some of the top lobster top lobster yeah there you go uh some of the things i think he's said and done are almost unforgivable especially in this landscape and it it's tough to be correct all the time, but I don't know. We've got guys like Dave Smith who are pretty correct. Try to correct your wrongs. I think Ben Shapiro should have done that. I think Jordan Peterson should have done that. They all promoted

the product, the shot. We need a bigger conversation here. If we're going to hold Sam Harris critical of it, we've got to hold other people on it. It's really simple we want as many people to you like let's let's say you got 10 people over here saying you know balk and you got 10 people over saying bark you want as many people as possible saying bark i

don't care if i said buck 10 10 10 minutes ago come over here and you know say the thing that works for us but we do gotta go to super chats because i don't want to i don't want to go too long sure but i'm just saying, you have to. Even if it pains you, it's how you win. I believe there's always a path to redemption, but do they want it?

And I think Jordan Peterson probably does. Sam Harris, not so much. We're going to Super Chats, but I want to add one thing. I'll tell you what we're doing. Look, we've got a bunch of shows we're making and they make some money, and we want them to be successful on their own,

and we want to cultivate talent and personalities because the idea ultimately is it's a very simple mathematic formula. Why do I want to build everything in West Virginia? Because there's good people in West Virginia's MAGA country. If these people in West Virginia who live in MAGA country, who believe in individual liberty, freedom, and fly the Gadsden flag,

had access to more money, they would invest in more products. They would invest in businesses that support their values. They would build businesses that support these values. So when you guys give money to TimCast, and we open a coffee shop in West Virginia, and we hire people in West Virginia, and we build industry in West Virginia, it is MAGA country that sees their revenues increasing. And if I get $1, and I hand that dollar to Jim Bob, Jim Bob gets that dollar. Of course, the government's taking their cut

every step of the way, which is, you know, we're not fans of. But then Jim Bob has that dollar and he says, okay, now I can give it to Mary Sue. Mary Sue gets that dollar and now she says, now I can buy the thing I need. It starts building up the economy and the resources of individuals with better ideas.

That's trickle down. That, you know, I'm not saying it's like, oh, I've got money. I'm saying it spreads out and ripples empowering people with better ideas that's the whole point so we're launching this coffee company very very soon and uh get after it yeah we're going to do coffee shops physical locations we're going to create uh we're going to do subscription base so you can sign up to automatically get your bag of coffee weekly, bi-weekly, or however much you want. You can just be like, set it up. That's the best way to do it.

And I really don't want to say this just yet because it may be unfair, but I've sent out the message. that with our coffee company and we're selling these subscription coffee companies, I'm really hoping that Kyle Rittenhouse is willing to work with us in some capacity, you know, maybe wear our shirt or something like that because we're big fans.

Shots fired, Black Rifle. We believe in liberty and justice and, you know, I'm definitely willing to support this young man. But I'll tell you why I'm saying it. The one reason

I didn't want to say it is because it's his business, it's his life and there's a controversy around that. But I had a conversation with this kid and what does he do? You know what I mean? What can he do?

And so when I'm like, I'm sitting here thinking like, man, I feel bad for this kid because how could he be a nurse? You know, he walks into a, he walks, the left is attacking him. He walks into a room with a guy who's injured and like, here's your nurse caught right now. So that's something he told me.

That was there when he told you that. That was funny. And I'm like, wow. Like they really destroyed this kid's life. Yeah, dude. And I'm like, okay, maybe there's an opportunity there. Maybe there's some,

in some way he can work with our coffee company because we're willing to, you know, we believe in him. But let's read Superchats. Let's read it because we're going late. I just want to say, if you do franchise your coffee company, let us know.

Florida, Florida TimCast Coffee. Florida's also Maga Coffee. Well, it's not even called TimCast Coffee. Tower Gang, whatever it's called, you know. Yeah, yeah. Hot Coffee, is that a brand yet? Probably. I got to start my own.

HAWT? I'm thinking the idea is to have some kind of private club component to it. Yeah, man. Where it's like you pay a monthly, you know, like we've talked about doing a legitimate social club, 501c7, where it's like you pay a monthly, you know, like we've talked about doing a legitimate social club, 501C7, where it's like five grand a year. But maybe it's just like 10 bucks a month and you can go hang out in Ian's Crystal Cove, you know?

And then we make like a little hangout space where people can have coffee or something. Dude, I'm gonna meditate in that cove. I'm gonna DMT in it. I'm gonna charge the crystals, yeah. We gotta read the super chats. And I'll just say, yeah, we didn't talk about anything but the Steven Crowder and the media landscape stuff.

That's it, yeah. Because like, I don't know. I just, it's so important. It's so important, man. I thought it was a great conversation anyways. and I'll just say yeah we didn't talk about anything but the Steven Crowder and the media landscape because like I don't know I just it's so important it's so important I thought it was a great conversation anyways

Debra McStash I should say to him hope you're feeling better now missed you today wasn't the same P.S. the late Mima's throat remedy

hot water honey lemon juice and ground clove gargle and spit don't swallow should help and then you gotta not eat

I've done everything the big challenge is don't eat anything there's one actual remedy. There's one literal remedy. And it's NSAIDs. That's it. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory.

Ibuprofen, naproxen. Or if you can afford it, Tordadol. But you'll need a medical practitioner, I think, for Tordal. Losing your voice is caused by inflammation in the throat. NSAIDs reduce the inflammation, allowing you to speak. I think they do cortisol injections for celebrity singers who have to do a show and they lose their voice and then you get your voice back but it's really really good to do dip your hands in some aloe and then stick it down your throat rub it around on the vocal cords jesus christ it's a little invasive but it works and

you'll throw up no no you just you override your gag reflex i've been training for this my whole life steven says tim needs to rest his voice I'm not paying 10 bucks a month for him to destroy himself That's a great Thank you for saying that It's a good point, that's kind of what happened to Jordan Peterson He overworked himself and then ended up in rehab Just stay off the painkillers

He took a lot of drugs Big pharma drugs that he should have been critical of Yesterday I took 4 ibuprofen That's how it starts I could work in the morning. After about an hour and a half, my voice worked enough, but it was still rough.

Sure. And then by like five, I was... Took some more and was able to do the nightly show, but it was still kind of rough. This morning, at my limit.

If you take too much, your stomach stops producing the mucus lining, you get ulcers. Right. And it starts hurting. Before the show started, Tim said,

you know what? There's a lot of guys here, so you guys kind of take the competition. lining, you get ulcers. And it starts hurting. Before the show started, Tim said, you know what, there's a lot of guys here, so you guys kind of take the competition. Oh, yeah. And then he had a lot to say. The Crowder thing is too big, especially like, yeah, I'm sorry. This is the fight, though. The platforming issues that we're dealing with,

the censorship, we didn't even mention the Twitter leaks and how we have now hard evidence that you have the FBI, CIA, all these people that are involved in setting the terms of service i mean this is a really important conversation so i've been working on the charity for this technology that can help steven for two years and we're still we're still on filing but i mean this is serendipitous takes like two years that was the reason we started it in the beginning creating an easy way that anyone can spin up their own membership website that's beautiful so that there's no more network there's no more i get five percent there's no more i get 20 and it creates a network of all

the people that are using the software so like oh that's really cool yep and so that way you create a network where no one can be banned where nobody is a boss over them but you can still discover content but let's uh let's read more cosmic surgeon says tim please name names someone has to be the one to stop protecting these people. Truth is an absolute defensive libel. I will tell you, I know a whole lot about what's going on. But not naming names,

it's because I don't see bad guys in this story. Like, you got, you know, two guys are fighting over who owns a piece of land. One guy says, my grandfather is the one who came and cleared the bush out of here and made it livable. And then this dude came in and lived here.

And he goes, what do you mean? He cleared some bush, but there were wolves all over the place. It was my dad who came in and got rid of the wolves. And now they're arguing over who owns the land. And I'm like, these guys aren't evil people. They're making, they're staking their claim. And we're trying to adjudicate fairly. Who really is the person who's in the right, who's really in the wrong.

Crowder thinks these contracts are bad. I agree. But I don't think the company that's offered them up is doing it because they're evil. And they're doing it because they're looking at their terms and being like, yo, if this guy gets a strike, we lose all this money. We're screwed. And it's a highly competitive space. Yeah.

And even with me getting screwed over at the end of the day, they have their own different side and version of their story. But I'm happy that it happened and i'm grateful for it now right jason dixon says tim i'm a member for two years six months and 23 days i will move my ten dollars to timcast website and drop youtube thoughts absolutely uh you are you are much better off this so here's here's here's the way it works for us. Because I just tell you guys, YouTube's got rules. We break them, we get shut down. So what do we do?

We talk about what we can hear and then we say the speakeasies round back. Timcast.com, uncensored, become a member and there's a big library of all the uncensored conversations. For the most part, our opinions don't really, we're not like masking our opinions we just we avoid saying things in certain ways like swearing we swear a lot on the members only but like certain subjects just get put there right for safety reasons yeah there's an option because a lot of people are like have balls and just say

it on youtube it's like oh then we cease to exist yeah it's stupid yeah i don't i don't like right now if we're on youtube the central battlefield and we've got a bridge leading to the speakeasy where people can talk it's better than just nuking you got to keep that bridge open man yeah it sucks you know well as long as you can at least yeah yeah but become a member at timcast.com uh or not look man i don't know know. There's a lot of people who, every day I see people saying stuff like, just discouraging things. You shouldn't be doing this, you should shut down. Tim Pool only cares about money. Tim Pool only cares about fame.

And those are the kind of people that make me feel like, maybe I should not be trying to fight for these people. And then I'm like, but I always know, those are not real fans. Those are not real fighters. Those are not real fighters. Those are the people trying to trick you. That's the devil on your shoulder telling you they have your best interest at heart, but they're really trying to sabotage everything.

That's the Jordan Peterson where he gets it right. There's the people that have just gone too far down the black-pilled path. That they start lashing out. This is a really important one from Noah Sanders. He says, wait, didn't y'all have Steve Hilton from Fox on as as a guest how'd y'all swing getting him in if fox has y'all blacklisted keep up the great work we talked to him about this actually and he was like afterwards he was like we were like how did they allow you to come on he's like what do you mean and we were like fox guests can't come on this show and he goes i didn't tell him he's like i didn't read

my contract amazing yeah I'm in trouble. Nobody reads those things. We were like, oh. Yeah. Fareed Mahood says, let me guess, Daily Wire trying to shaft Crowder have helped people in the past get signed with DW and their contracts are just as bad as the rest of media. I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't know. You know, I'm actually surprised Crowder came out and complained about the contract because, you know, most people would just be like, if you, if like when they offered me a deal, I didn't go public and just be like, you know, here's what I'm being offered from these different companies. I'm like, look, if you come to me and say, you'll give me 10 bucks to quit the show and go work at McDonald's, I'll say no.

But you don't, I don't owe you anything. You don't owe owe me anything i'm not going to come out and be like how dare you i'm but i think what crowder did why i think it was good is because we've got to change this landscape yeah i don't think i mean it is tough because i do wonder would the personalities at daily wire exist in this capacity without the daily wire you know what i mean well jordan peterson would it's like the but woody though he's doing a lot more stuff now that he's without the daily wire you know what i mean well jordan peterson would it's like the but woody though he's doing a lot more stuff now that he's with the daily wire than he was before well i think that's also because he's just finally getting his mind right it's kind of like the story of a like i guess the founding of this nation so like if this nation didn't accrue a ton

of debt in order to like to recover from the the revolutionary war would we be where we are at now i don't know interesting so it's kind of like you know would the daily wire have that many you know content creators if they didn't do that it's hard to say farid says tim quote i don't care about money and want to help people pool not gonna lie you're sounding like sbf with ftx i i'm also sounding a whole lot like disney i'm sounding a whole lot like netflix and n a whole lot like Netflix and NASCAR and any other ESG company that's like we have to put diversity equity inclusion at the core of our business

because the stakeholders matter and profit isn't everything me I completely agree we got to put the Gadsden flag on all our properties and Molan because the values are what matters and the money is secondary if we can afford to eat and we can afford to expand then afterwards we invest in making this country a better place period because you know what if you

don't don't put that money i'll make it simple for everybody i am investing my money in america if i don't i will own nothing and be very unhappy shout out to Klaus. That's right. So these people who are like, you know, I'll just make the money and then go disappear. I'm like, you're not going to have money

in five years, bro. Well, if you do, you ain't going to buy much. I bought Tesla stock recently because California, Oregon, and Washington are banning gas cars. And a lot of people talk about the fear of electric cars

and the centralization and control. I'm like, yeah, it's the smart grid, not necessarily the electric grid. It's a component for sure. They can turn off your power and then what do you do? I'll build a solar device. I'll figure it out. All right. Ghost Crusaders, Tim, you know the smear merchants are going to write hit piece after hit piece on you even harder now that you revealed how much you make annually.

Yeah, I gave a general estimate. The funny thing is on my Wikipedia page,, it includes an estimate of our monthly income. And I'm just like, that's so weird. It's so weird they would do that. The Daily Beast wrote a hit piece and they included a fake number about our revenue. And I was like, why? I talked to them, I was like, that's not a real number. Why are you including it? And they're like, well, we heard. About a year and a half ago, I got doxxed and someone had like Googled my name and discovered my old company name. And online, they found that I had six employees, which I didn't, and that I was only grossing or netting, I forget, 50 grand a year. And they posted that to try and like demonstrate that I was a

fraud, as opposed to just realizing that this information is completely nonsense. I had six employees and I was grossing 50 grand a year. Do you understand how criminal that would be? Jeez, man. You're like a robber baron, dude. This is crazy, man. Well, this is a good one. Justin Swordall says,

My Mug Club sub was $100 annually. If half of Crowder's subs paid, that's $300 million annually. $200 million for three years is trash it's not about the money you're right except three million people will never subscribe crowder can get you know uh he's got i think on this video since it went up let's say 300 000 views i guarantee not 99 like of of those people who watched because of the subject matter of the video I'd say 2% maybe

signed up for Mug Club in merchandising it's about a 3% retention rate when people like view your product so it's probably way less for this oh it's definitely less I mean look if we've got 1.4 million subs on this channel holy crap if 700,000 people were paying 10 bucks a month,

we would be doing a lot more than we are. I would build a small city. No, no joke, this is a crazy thing. Like we're building this new building. The new building we're putting up is 40 feet tall in the middle, 25 foot walls with a studio built inside and the whole thing's gonna cost around half a million dollars.

And then we gotta do the skate components and the entertainment stuff it's gonna be another couple hundred thousand dollars dude if we had half of our viewers because we get a collective like 60 million hits per month that would be 84 million annually if we had but we get uh like on this video right now there's 39 000 people currently watching it peaked at like 45 if every one of these people signed up wow but they don't they don't have to i'm not telling you you have to i'm just saying like the conversion rate ain't there yeah no it's not like man i know you know if if if 10 percent of uh if if we had 140 000 people giving us 10 bucks a month could you imagine if 10 percent

well see this is where i think the network play actually works because like on gas digital, you have 12 different programs that once you pay, you get all of this uncensored content. Whereas if you're one creator, well, you just don't have enough content to offer to like really justify that expenditure. So that's where I think the network play does make sense for the person to subscribe. If you're, if, if you're a channel with like 100,000 subs and someone comes to you and says, we got 10 channels, each of the 100,000 subs, and we're creating a network. And we're going to sell it for $10 a month and we'll pay you $100,000 a year. It might be worth it to you. I know a lot of people are signing deals with Rumble because Rumble is like, we're going to give you money.

And they're like, wow, I can pay my bills now. I'm like, oh, that's great. Kim Iverson actually, bless her heart, we've become friends over the past year. I was just on her new Rumble exclusive show, and I told her after my second strike, I was like, look, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I know you've got the exclusive deal with Rumble. Can you help Liberty Lockdown become a Rumble exclusive? And she said she's going to ask. So let's see. I mean, it's tragic that this is the game that we're in, where we're just constantly ducking and dodging

and trying to get different platforms to keep us alive. But it's the nature of the beast. I thought that you were supposed to be vocal about what you believed. That was what I thought growing up. So that's what I did in 2006, and I haven't stopped really, except for the censors. I'm trying to be kind.

You naive little guy. I'm going to read a regular chat. I'm trying to tell the truth. I got a regular chat that needs to be read. What is this? Lulz Sanchez says, I pay for Mug Club only for Crowder. Pretty sure Mug Club was just a Blaze membership. Am I wrong about that?

I really don't know. I thought it originated from his change my mind things, but I'm not really sure. I don't know exactly, but I thought when Crowder was with the Blaze, if you signed up for Mug Club, you were signing up for the Blaze. Otherwise, I don't understand how that would make sense. I thought it began when it was just him as a solo operator,

but maybe he was always part of the Blaze. I really don't know. Didn't Ben Shapiro, before the Daily Wire was a huge operation, he had the liberal mugsugs liberal tier mugs like what was that liberal tears i've seen that yeah did people just sign up and they got a mug like what what else did they get i don't i don't really know oh so did daily wire gain control of shapiro's merch when he when they kind of formed all the merch that he built pre-wire well what was he offering like back before there was this whole daily wire incorporated thing

a lot of i don't know a lot of questions i know he and jeremy kind of created the thing together with a third guy caleb i believe his name i don't know caleb yamabushi nate says tim no offense but on your comment on your crew i really like luke and serge and ian it makes the show for me i'll clarify you're not saying anything bad about them it's so weird that people are hearing well well you know just to add context for one luke has never worked here because luke owns his own media company so he's his own dude like his own company of profits um but as for what i was saying is timcast iral couldn't exist without the employees who work for the show but if i didn't do this show i would still be well off doing just tim cast news and tim cast and it's

like the amount of the it's it's it's a diminishing return yeah the amount of money i make from working like if if i only worked one hour the bulk of my money would come in i had a second hour i make less and i had a third hour even less and so like the 16th hour of work i do brings in very little money. Exactly. I bet though, because it's all subscription or a lot of it's subscription based, you're almost at the point where you could work 7 to 11 every day, just do this show, and you still make the same amount of subscriptions. I mean, IRL drives almost all the subscriptions. Like I think the overwhelming majority of memberships for TimCast.com is just this show. Well, perfect example.

I ran a mortgage company. I made a half a million dollars a year working by myself, and I just subbed out all of the work for loan docs and title and everything else. I could have brought in employees because I was a broker. They could have worked under me. I could have made points off of them. They could have all made a good living of $150,000 to $200,000 a year. I would have increased my annual net revenue probably $50,000 to $100,000 per employee I brought on.

But my quality of life would have been so catastrophically diminished, I opted not to. That doesn't mean that those people aren't valuable. That means that I am making a different decision for myself. That doesn't mean that I despise or think that those people are worthless. I'm just making a different choice. Tim went the other route and he's now growing a real, you know, powerful thing and like a real network enterprise here. And I just didn't, I'm just, I don't have that in me. I don't want to go that route. It has a lot of work. I probably won't do it today though, because now I understand how dire things are. But back when I

was doing that, it didn't seem like we were so close to the precipice. The, the, the first couple of years when we launched this, I was working with no days off. So I would do Sunday to Sunday, you know, Monday to Sunday, the Tim Pool Morning Show, six segments between TimCast News and TimCast on YouTube and the podcast. And then Monday through Friday at, you know, 8 to 10, TimCast IRL. And then I think 2020 and I think in 2021 is when I stopped. New year of 2021, I stopped working weekends

and I removed three segments. I brought those three segments back, but I'm still not working weekends. The issue was that I literally had no time to go to the bank. And I was like, okay, I'm doing a lot of content, makes a lot of money.

But if I don't go to the bank, here's the crazy thing too. Doing the podcast every day with no days off, put the tim pool daily show in like the top 30 podcasts in the world because it guaranteed me above everybody else because people will stop stop working once i stopped working temple daily show fell completely off the charts and it's like 300 or something all right a lot of people are saying we didn't watch the video crowd or put out i watched the the entire thing chase said tim it's not about the money in Stephen's contract. It's about the mechanisms to control his speech. Y'all are missing the point. Stephen is saying that Big

Conservative is watering down the message of its creators through the deals. I think he misunderstands. I think the contract was bad, but I think it was an issue of hammering out the details. I don't see these companies as evil i see them as needing to exist but i think these deals don't work this way anymore and the system can't survive this way anymore i think what he was seeing was them saying if you get a strike we are going to remove x from the guarantee because you can't make money for us but i think the percentages they they put were ridiculous like that just clearly didn't work. And I don't know.

All right. So here's the deal. I think that Crowder has a point. I think that there's also a bigger point about whether or not there is controlled opposition that exists in the conservative realm. And I don't think that Daily Wire or The Blaze or any of these people are necessarily in that category. But I do think that it's interesting to, if we could unwind the finances that go into these deals, the actual source funding that creates these networks and then understand why these contracts are being structured how they are, that would tell you perhaps whether or not this was actually a mechanism for trying to control a counter-narr yeah youtube is actually just alphabet the company you call it whatever

you want it's got a skin suit on that says the word youtube on it but it's alphabet so like who really is running the show exactly all right pat meadows says if tim cast negotiates a contract with and with crowder and gets him on board i will triple my monthly membership payment to tim cast who's with me let's take a poll. How many people would pay 30 bucks a month to see, get a Tim, Tim pool. If a million of you sign up tonight,

I think it'll happen. No, if 20 bucks a month is doable. I mean, that could happen tomorrow and no one would lose a thing. Let me, let me, let me,

let me just, you know, I normally don't like to talk about private business, but let me tell you something. I, I talked to Crowder periodically and I did make him an offer. I did.

And you know what he said? He said no. Did he crap on your contract? You know what the contract offer was? It was, I don't see how we could work with you in any kind of capacity like this. The conversation wasn't explicitly

about what's going on with this. We were having a conversation in general and then I was like, you're way too big for us to ever work with you in any kind of capacity like this the conversation wasn't explicitly about what's going on with this we were like having a conversation in general and then i was like you're way too big for us to like ever work with you any kind of capacity like that but here's here's my offer uh i know some guys who can build your own website and we can probably like arrange a way that you can have your own independent thing i can connect you with them that was the deal that was the offer and he was like well i can probably find a company i'll you know i'll figure something out i was like okay cool man like good luck like i don't i told him i was like bro like we're doing our thing here and i was like well i can probably find a company i'll you know i'll figure something out i was like okay cool man like good luck like i don't i i told him i was like bro like we're doing our thing here

and i was like you gotta like you gotta do your own thing man it's the only way we get through this and you know and we've we've like we've talked about a bunch of stuff just privately as i guess friends or whatever you call i like i never hung out with him in person but uh you know we've talked about like a lot of political stuff. And we were talking generally, again, not about this. We were talking about something unrelated. And I mentioned the culture war with

Disney and stuff. People got to do their own thing, man. I was like, you got to do your own thing. And so my whole point was like, the only way we win is when you have your own thing going it just wouldn't make sense otherwise i don't i don't know how anyone can sign deals with these big companies like this doesn't make sense well given the nature of that particular contract i understand why people don't

yeah my thing's just like if you're as big as crowder like you gotta own your own thing that's the only thing you can do but yeah i was talking to him and i was like what's your what's the deal with their website like you know i know a guy i can give his number good luck he needs help getting a website yeah no i mean i don't know wix he didn't send you the web link that's the point like he didn't need anything from me he's doing everything already kind of amazing i'm i'm willing to bet he starts pulling in like 10 15 million per month oh media i would i wouldn't be surprised if starts pulling in like 10 15 million per month oh media i would i wouldn't be surprised if crowder surpasses the daily wire in a few years wow interesting yeah absolutely it really comes down to does he want to manage it because what they do

with the daily wire is great is that the three of them ben jeremy and is it caleb i should i want to make sure i get his name right i don't know him personally they run it i mean ben actually his hands off he's doing the crowder role with daily wire jeremy's taking care of the business so crowder would need a guy like Jeremy to take care of the business. The thing is, Jeremy owns half the company, or a third of the company or something. So you give that up for that scope. Do you think that's because of the comedy role that Crowder plays,

why he would surpass the Daily Wire? Why do you think that? He's like the biggest personality. Yeah, but does that, I mean, how does that exactly correlate? I mean, the content is what I'm talking about. Why is his content? You look at what Crowder's doing right now, he's a culture warrior. Right.

I don't think the Daily Wire are like to the same degree. And the people subscribed to the Daily Wire for good content, I mean, Jordan Peterson's a good guy to watch. He's great. He's a culture warrior. Ben Shapiro is to a certain degree, but Ben Shapiro's not even Crowder. Well, I think it's because of this is why

we have the two platforms. And Tower Gang is for the comedic outlet. I think that you can reach people that you simply cannot reach if you don't go comedy route. You know, I'm really inspired by Black Rifle Coffee. Those guys are really awesome. Seriously.

Because I know some stuff. I don't know what I can and can't say. But I remember learning about the people they've signed deals with. And I was shocked to learn that high profile mainstream athletes were signing with Black Rifle. And I'm like, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard. Because Black Rifle is staunchly pro-gun and conservative. And you got mainstream top tier action sports athletes signing deals with them like wow but why did they not get on board with

defending kyle rittenhouse outright the response to kyle rittenhouse was we do not sponsor kyle rittenhouse and we will not sponsor kyle rittenhouse they said we do not profit off of tragedy and we you know we we not do not intend to be involved in this. And I'm just kind of like, that's weird to me. You're a guns rights company. You can't, you can't fail in that moment. No matter, no matter the media heat that comes, you cannot fail. And they did.

And my, and my attitude was like, if we started a coffee company, like we are. And one day Kyle Rittenhouse wore our shirt, my statement would explicitly be, we are honored that this young man was wearing the shirt of our company. Thank you, Kyle Rittenhouse. God bless. Promo code Kyle. Well, I mean, that's up to Kyle. But my point is just this. This is why I think Steven Crowder will do

better than the Daily Wire. Because Steven Crowder is the guy who will walk up into the face of the machine and say, F you, no. It's challenging, though, because Crowder's like comparing a warrior to an armada of ships. Crowder's one ship in the armada that is

the Daily Wire. And so, Ian, I just want to take this moment to say how much I love your brain. Thanks, homie. You just come with that analogy out of nowhere? Are you kidding me? I was thinking about it like 30 seconds ago. This is genius stuff. People are sleeping on Ian Crossland.

He's my favorite cast member. A lot of people are saying BRC. I'm like, I disagree, man. Black Rifle Coffee is extremely important. I don't know which athletes I'm allowed to say have signed deals with them because I don't know which ones went public or not, but this is a tremendously positive thing in cultural takeover.

And I get the game they're playing. I think they're the daily wire to our coffee. Our coffee company is going to be like, yeah, we're not going to screw around. We're not going to play dirty games. We're not going to be crazy a-holes or anything. We're just going to be like, yeah, we're not going to screw around. We're not going to play dirty games. We're not going to be crazy a-holes or anything. We're just going to be like if someone comes and we get a journalist,

they're going to be like, you, Kyle Rittenhouse was wearing your shirt. And I'd be like, that's cool. Yes, and? Yeah, yes, and. A lot of people wear our shirts. We think Kyle Rittenhouse was unjustly prosecuted. I think it was a clear-cut case of self-defense. And we are glad to see that justice prevailed in this case.

He was acquitted. And his it was a clear-cut case of self-defense, and we are glad to see that justice prevailed in this case. He was acquitted. Yeah, and his life was also ruined by the media, so I don't respect any of your questioning. How about that? Yeah, like, I don't understand why, like, Black Rifle... No, I get it. I guess they're trying to go mainstream. They're trying to be more mainstream. Similar to sometimes when we adhere to the censors on YouTube,

we'll end up, people will be like, why, why don't you just say it? You're like, well, we're following the censorial rules that we don't necessarily agree with because we want to stay on YouTube will end up, people will be like, why? Why don't you just say it? You're like, well, we're following the sensorial rules that we don't necessarily agree with because we want to stay on YouTube. Maybe they thought they'd get blacklisted if they went bullish on Kyle too early. And that's why I disagree. That's more of an idealist, like difference of ideals

between you guys. We go in the members only show and we outright just talk about these subjects. We don't say, well, now, hold on, hold on. The Daily Wire does an important thing, and I think Crowder, we're bigger than them because Crowder is more Trumpian in that regard. We're a bit over, so we've got to go to the members only,

but I could talk about this kind of stuff for a million years. So, all right, I'll read this last one. Alan Hale says, Tim, please pluck that singular white hair from your beard. It's bothering me.

There's one right here. Where is it? I don't even see it. Bottom right. A little more to the other side. Don't pluck it. Don't pluck it. And then sell it.

Sell it on the website. NFT it. This was like, man, we have so much news to talk about. We didn't because like, this is the, how the sausage is made.

Really, really important conversation. But let's talk more in the members-only section about a lot of stuff. So head over to TimCast.com. Become a member to support our work directly. Let me read this one from John Bartholomew. He says, Black Rifle is not pro-gun, Tim. Research their statements, positions, and political donations. All right.

Well, mark my words. We're launching a company. I don't know if I can say the name just yet because we're still designing everything. We've got the graphics ready to go. I think we're waiting on the bags to get printed. And we've tested the blends out. I like a mean dark roast. But we've also got a nice bright blend called Rise with Roberto Jr.

And I could go either way. We're not going to hide. gonna hide you know look the company's not gonna make political donations i really don't understand why why the company would donate to pax but um if we do we will give to uh good guns rights organizations and politicians not that the company is a gun company or anything like that but uh i will say it like if like i i would be honored if we could have kyle right now in some capacity wear our shirt or do something like that i gotta know i like black rifle rifle coffee but we're gonna be more aggressive in our culture warrior warrior ring do you think that black rifle nailed kind of like when they were throwing the dildos at the

wall on the vice documentary they're like if we can talk about transgenderism and racism like they have rifles and coffee in their title so they brought were we missing something had nothing to do with 2a or anything yeah what let's uh let's let's we'll go to the members only show saw so smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends this was really a lot of inside baseball but i appreciate everybody sticking around and listening to this very esoteric episode shout out to steven crowder um i think it's really important to call out how this machine works as we start to change the shape of it and um i don't think there's any bad guys here i just think it's an archaic machine that needs to change and i think crowder is going to take over the space i really do so i'm a big fan and i'm really excited to see what happens

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He has not. This is why I wanted to take the opportunity to throw down the gauntlet. But you say it's already confirmed it's going to be Dave Smith and Destiny? Well, that's what the Mises Caucus is telling me they have. I love that. I've been watching a lot of Destiny content. Steve Bonnell. And I just went back and I watched Vosh on here against who was it?

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maybe with we are changed soon we'll talk anyway my website is lukeuncensored.com you made a very important point telling people to specifically

vote with their dollar I've been working my butt off for many years now building up lukeuncensored.com I do a lot of videos on there a lot of AMAs a lot of giveaways

a lot of meetups a lot of merchandise you name it we got it all lukeuncensored.com. See you there. Lots of crazy news. They're bringing in all the prostitutes to Davos.

Lots of craziness to talk about. We're going to get into that in this after show. I talked about it too, so thanks for having me. Always a pleasure to see you guys. Always a pleasure to host a show for you guys out there listening. Thank you so much for coming and listening. Hit the like button on your way out if you haven't done that yet, and consider subscribing to TimCast.com. I think you did

a poll yesterday and honestly 24% of the people watching had been subscribed. I was shocked. There's a lot. Yeah, I need more. Let's get behind the scenes and see what's going on. Love you. And you can follow me at IanCrossland.net if you want to. Catch you later. Hey guys. Love you too. Love the show.

It's been great. I don't feel any animosity towards Tim for hiring me and giving me a job to be able to work here and do all these things you poor victim you yeah seriously

I mean he brought me out of Hollywood he brought me out of the belly of the beast so to speak I'm always grateful I love this show I like being

I've been a fan of the show since the beginning I love this I love this program I love the platform we're doing a good thing here I left being in like this totally different world to be able to be here and do what I believe in. Like Tim said, it's an ideological company.

You have to support the idea and what we're all standing behind here. So smash that like button, like Ian said, and let's roll with the after show. Yeah, I think if we do get into more of the media stuff in the members show, I'll try to just spill the beans as much as I can on as much as I can. What I try to avoid doing is just stepping on the toes of people who have not wronged me and have not wronged others. Just because two people have a civil

dispute doesn't mean either of them are bad guys. But I'll try and talk about as much as I can with the money and the deals and what we're working on and why we're working on it. There's potential risks. I have people saying, don't talk about money. Someone mentioned, oh no, you're going to get hit pieces because you mentioned revenue streams and stuff.

And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe people just deserve to know exactly what's going on and why it's going on, and they can make their informed choices based on that. So let's talk. We'll talk about some numbers, and maybe the media will run hit pieces. Head over to timcast.com, become a member if you want to hear this, and we'll see you all over and maybe the media will run hit pieces head over to timcast.com become a member

if you want to hear this and we'll see you all over there cheers yo