Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #699 Steven Crowder Joins To Discuss StopBigCon.Com Live At 8PM EST

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

Tim, Ian, Luke, & Kellen join Steven Crowder to discuss StopBigCon.com, the $50 Million contract that the Daily Wire offered Steven, Steven explaining his friendship with Jeremy from the Daily Wire, & Steven revealing that the Daily Wire tried to poach an employee of Louder With Crowder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of the biggest stories last week was Stephen Crowder's Stop Big Con announcement. The Daily Wire's response, Candace Owens then came on this show, gave her response. Stephen Crowder released a video explaining his response to their response. And now we have an opportunity to hear Stephen Crowder's side of everything. And this is an important story. A lot of people have asked me, why does this matter? It's drama between media companies. And I think the questions being asked right now could determine the shape of independent, alternative, anti-establishment, and corporate media in general moving forward. Is it going to more take the shape of the traditional Hollywood system, but with better views? Or is it going to be a new system that makes sure the individuals are empowered and can maintain themselves through the issues of censorship and run their own companies after any contracts change there's a lot of questions here more than just that and so joining us tonight

to talk about all of this is of course we've got steven crowder yeah thank you sir that's a little roomy can is there a way for me to adjust my headphones i should have done it beforehand i'm an idiot yeah we don't we don't can do from his end. The new studio has the modules where you can control, but we're... I also got these armrests. I'm hitting the table, so if I look like an idiot, it's probably because I'm partially... You can lower the seat. How do I do it? On the right side, there's a lever.

Yeah, it's the front lever of the two. Oh, there you go. Now everyone's going to think I'm super tiny. Yeah, now you're short. I'll adjust your camera. And also, you brought your CEO, Gerald? Yeah, Gerald Morgan. Yeah, now officially just became CEO in the last couple of weeks there. short i'll adjust your camera but uh uh uh you and also you brought your cdo gerald gerald uh gerald morgan yeah now officially uh just became ceo in the last couple of weeks there we'll we'll

have to adjust these cameras so you know serge serge uh uh mrs flight i guess is that what happened uh yeah sounds like it so we're completely just yeah uh there you go all right there we go i just split the difference is that okay i just kind of went up i don't think you need to adjust it no he needs to he needs to turn it to the side. Oh, okay. There we go. It's almost like one of those things where it's like when Santa met the M&Ms. Yeah.

Seeing you in person. Well, they got rid of the M&Ms. He does exist. Oh, right, but they're gone. No, they have a lesbian M&M. No, no, no, they got rid of it. It's Maya Rudolph now. Just now.

Okay, we're going to talk about that, I suppose. But ladies and gentlemen, before we get started. It would make sense if she was a lesbian M&M that she was so fat. That's fair. Before we get started. Because she's eating other female M&Ms M&M that she was so fat. That's fair. Before we get started. Because she's eating other female M&Ms.

I'm not saying lesbians are fat. Right. She's eating sugar. Big bones eat each other. She was big boned. All right. She was big boned. Let's do this.

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Florida shirt, which you can get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com because I'm moving to Florida tomorrow. Sorry guys, but the Daily Wire gave me a deal. I couldn't refuse. I'm leaving. No, I'm joking. I'm kidding.

I thought you were going to say you moved to Arizona because Carrie Lake. No, no, no. I'm fiercely, fiercely independent. I just launched a new business called I'mTheRealOG.com. So if you're in Florida and want to link up with me

and want to check out my new business, I'mTheRealOG.com. Check it out if you're a real OG, of course. I can't believe you got that domain. I know. You said it was $5. Check it out if you're a real OG. I can't believe you got that domain. I know. It was $5. The real OG? No, no. I'm therealog.com. I'm surprised it's not a pot shop.

Therealog.com is like a spam website, so don't go on that one. It hacks people's computers. Oh my gosh. Don't go on that one. I'm therealog.com. We got Ian hanging. By the way, can I say one thing by the way? Before we do, we should turn Stephen's mic up a little bit. Okay, I was going to say, because you're coming in a little bit hot in my ears when you were saying OG, which I'm really happy to hear, but it was loud. So do you want to maybe bring Stephen's headset down a little and his mic up a little?

And one thing, which camera am I talking into there? People who are watching the live stream on my YouTube channel or Rumble, it's only going to be the first 20 minutes. There's really no other way to reach you, like with a post, and then just head over. It's TimCastIRL, right? YouTube.com slash TimCastIRL. Perfect. So all of you head over there now

if you can, but in 20 minutes, it's not going to be here. Or TimCast.com. We just have it embedded on the front. Oh, awesome. That's easier.

I'm glad you guys are here. The drama, personal stuff, I'm not really interested in as much as the contracts themselves. I've been thinking about this since 2006, 7, 8. Similar to you, Stephen, making internet videos.

Can I say? Maker Studios, yeah. I was only verbally, we would hang you, Stephen, making internet videos. Can I say? Maker Studios, yeah. I was only verbally, we would hang out, me and Ben Donovan and Dan Zapinski up in a hotel room talking about creating a union for web actors. Right. And it's evolved into now, it never really happened.

And now I think there's a technical solution and we don't need to make paperwork necessarily. Because I mean, I don't like trusting people with paperwork anyway, personally. Yeah, I mean, my problem isn't so much with paper itself. You don't like trusting people with paperwork anyway personally my problem isn't so much with with paper itself you don't like it no my problem isn't so much with papers but what's printed on the paper right tends to be the issue no I remember I was with maker and then it kind of morphed into something where you know the whole idea right was they were going to

help protect you get better advertising rates and then you know I said some things like hey you know we just we can't be repping you anymore. They turned into Studio something. I think they got purchased by Disney. Was it Studio 71? Was that what it was? There were a couple of them, right, that were out there. There was like Collab Studios.

Was that the one that was called? I don't know. We'll get into all that. I want to make sure everybody else, Kellen's here. What's up, everybody? It's Kellen filling in for Serge. Let's get started, guys.

Yeah, so Serge misses flight, I guess, but we're all here, and we're stringing together with duct tape. Kellen's not duct tape. No, he's good. Yeah, he Serge misses flight, I guess. But we're all here, and we're stringing it together with duct tape. Kellen's not duct tape. No, he's good. Yeah, he's more like... I was effort throwing you under the bus right off the bat. It's that metallic airline tape.

Oh, that's better. Yeah, it's like people see it, and they get scared it's duct tape, but don't worry. Kellen, you sack of dog crap. I'll take your duct tape. You can't even get double-sided, bitch. But I got the fancy airline duct tape. I'll take it. Reflective.

Kroger brand duct tape. Let's jump. Go ahead. Let's jump into this first story. We have this stopbigcon.com. Yeah. Louder with Crowder. Stop big con.

Stay in mug club or join a new. Enter your email below. So let's get started and talk about from the beginning. Most people are familiar with the story. I want to make sure as we get this started i'll make this i want to make sure there's important uh contextual understanding people have asked why it's so important that and why why is so why is everybody interested in the story why have we talked about it so much first i will say I'm biased. I worked for big corporations. I've run my own company. I have this passion for how the media

companies operate, how I operate my media company, my vision for the future. And I know so much about this. It's something I care about. When I hear about it, I'm just driven to want to understand more, talk about it, share these ideas. But it's more than just that. I just want to make sure that my bias is clear. It's that I, for one, have taken issue with the establishment media the establishment the traditional media

systems how they operate with contracts and so trying to build something different i see what what crowder announced and what he's talking about and i ideologically agree so this could this this conversation could change the shape of how media moves forward as the corporate media system is dying, firing people, laying people off, and an independent ecosystem is emerging with these networks. Which form is it going to take? It could go completely corporate. It could go completely independent. It could be a mix of both. But this is a conversation that is extremely important moving forward.

So we're hanging out with Steven Crowder and Gerald, of course, to talk about all this. Gerald understands the business side more. I don't really take care of the finances as much. What's the story here? What's the story? Well, first off, let me set something up off the bat. I want to make sure that everyone here knows, like, I know that you guys have made very clear that you're monetized on YouTube because you believe that you can fight against big tech by sort of operating to some degree within the rules,

but you've been very transparent about it. And so I don't want you to think that that is at all the same as what I have a problem with. And, I mean, we can go back to a few things. Look, it really comes down to what's right. It really comes down to what the truth is. And this is something that's been a long time coming. Gerald actually came on as CEO because we're being batted around so long.

This is years and years in the making. I get the point with corporate media. The issue that I have with many in the conservative side of this sphere is the fundamental misleading and dishonesty. That's what I have a problem with. And you see that here as a story took place. Kind of a started right where we released this video. We didn't, and it was just by design, didn't name names because there could be a litany of contracts that are similar to this. A lot of them are often verbal offers.

We mentioned it could have been Fox News for all I want to know, and they're the corporate monolith. There's about four or five – I would say we have four or five offers, and then there are other investors who come into the space who just want to dump in a whole bunch of money. Daily Wire here outed themselves, and I understand that people are saying, well, people knew who it was. That's because some of the people who were under those contracts said, yeah, I recognize those contracts. And Candace said on this show, I recognize the terms from my contract. Here's the thing. I said this is wrong. Penalizing conservatives, and I believe this to my absolute core, penalizing conservatives on behalf of big tech while taking money from people who are paying you, investing in you to fight big

tech. That is what they're investing in. That is what MugClub is investing in. That's what subscribers are investing in. While simultaneously penalizing conservatives is fundamentally wrong. I had that conversation and said, look, just please give me your word. You're not going to be doing this with other people who, as you well know, when you start in this industry, don't know better. Immediately after that, the conversation was, Crowder is making a big deal as a dick about money, right, basketball money. $50 million a year was the implication, which you know is not true. People aren't saying that now. That's not what people have a problem with. What people have a problem with, I understand, is, you know, the idea of a phone call. And now the narrative has shifted to betrayal of a friend. That's what people want to say. I say

less straw. I say this is something that I've watched, experienced for years, tried to give every possible out to do the right thing and have tried to do the right thing in the way that we run our own business. Saw the gaslighting, the bully tactics that take place behind the scenes of other creators and knew it wouldn't be myself. So now the narrative shifts to how could you record a phone call, betray a friend? Hold on a second. It was just about money. It was just, this is just business. And now it's, hey, we're really good friends. Well, which is it?

I mean, you kind of have to pick a lane, right? Are we good friends? Are you sending out a boilerplate contract that you demand of everybody, according to what they said, that have 110% penalties on behalf of big tech? And the issue with that is that it's dishonest. It's a tactic of the left. It's a tactic, the same kind of tactic that you see from the left, the gaslighting, where if you,

let me ask you this. Real quick. Yeah. I just want to clarify. You said 110% penalty. Yeah. You can see the contract right there. If you add them all up.

So you, well, because there's a boycott. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fair point. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And this is the issue. You know, I made it clear. It wasn't about me it's about other people it's about this being the fundamental practice and by the way it's not just daily wire to be clear this happens in this incestuous sphere across the board what would you do this is

my question real quick let me ask just just uh my concern is if people aren't familiar with the total context you leave the blaze or or in the process of, you're fielding offers, you receive a contract. A term. A term, not a contract. Which people are semantically saying. A predecessor to a contract. Which is basically the terms they're offering for a contract. Some people have argued. But the point is, they basically said,

you will be penalized 25% if you get a strike. No, if you're demonetized. If you're demonetized. Then another 20% if there's a strike. Then another 20%, I don't remember the numbers, for Facebook, for Spotify. But there's also another penalty if your sponsors get boycotted. There's also another penalty if you don't agree to 10%, if you deny 10% of the sponsors, which is probably like you, we probably accept one out of five sponsors. But let me just kind of go through this timeline really quickly.

For people who are trying to understand what's going on, it's basically the contract you received specifically outlined Term sheet. Term sheet, yeah. The term sheet you received. I don't know if it matters. You don't put something in a term sheet

that you don't want on a contract. Right. It said YouTube, Apple, Spotify, and Facebook. Yeah. Specifically, if these big tech companies

are upset with you, we dock your pay. Yes. That's an important distinction. Well, hold on. And not even dock his pay. I want to be very clear here.

This is a production house. This is our budget that gets docked. Steven is not just taking, this is not basketball where you pay Kyrie Irving to go out and shoot hoops, right? Sure. You're paying an entire team of people to produce. Before we get to that, before we get to the finance stuff. Let's go through the time. Yeah.

Let me ask you this. If someone publicly was going, and by the way, I'm not going to be doing the personal stuff. I'm not going to be coming in here calling anybody a bitch, right? Sending out hatchet people. I understand why Candace was mad. Honestly, I'm not going to be doing the personal stuff. I'm not going to be coming in here calling anybody a bitch, right, sending out hatchet people. I understand why Candace was mad. Honestly, I understand why she was mad. I'd probably be mad too. So I don't think it gives you an excuse to go and talk the way like every girl does who gets their husband into a fight at a bar.

But I understand why she was upset. If you had the ability, if someone was going out and saying, hey, you're a difficult person who only cares about the money and that you're a bitch, and you had the opportunity to clear it in because it was verifiably untrue, which now no one is arguing, would you do it? How else would people switch from it was about a $50 million salary to, oh, recording a phone call? Do we allow it when James O'Keefe does it? Is it only when corruption is on the side of the left? And here's the issue is I'll tell you who this hurts, the dishonesty. I'm not just saying Daily Wire. This is about the entire movement as a whole.

There are a lot of practices that go on, and it hurts the sponsors, hurts the creators, hurts the viewers, hurts the investors. And by investors, with us, it's entirely Mug Club. It's people who pay to subscribe. We don't make a dime off of YouTube. We haven't for many years. And it hurts, if you believe what we say we believe, the movement in the country as a whole. So that right there, right, is fundamentally disheartening. And the gaslighting still keeps taking place.

Candace Owens on this show said, hey, we all follow the same guidelines. We all follow the same guidelines. Crowder does too. That's verifiably false. And I said, you can publicly audit this. We've had four strikes, right? In the last, since May, I think 2021 to October, 2022. One was the McKay Bryant. One was a sketch with Alex Jones. That one's guilty. One was, that's charged. One was him quoting the CDC. And by the

way, none of this will get you in trouble because you can say this now, him quoting the CDC, bringing up the CDC numbers on flu deaths for children versus COVID. And we were saying, this is an interesting science, right? That COVID kills more senior citizens, but for some reason is significantly less lethal to young people, to infants. That science is accepted now, so you won't get a strike. But that was one of the strikes. The other was when we had Kerry Lacon in a gubernatorial election. Four. How many have taken place from Daily Wire? You guys, zero. Now, here's the thing. I'm not saying it's a badge of honor. I'm not saying that it's a badge of honor to be suspended. If they came out and said, look, look, we demand, as Jeremy said in his 55-minute video, we demand that all of our creators follow these rules that

YouTube and Facebook set through punitive practices in mandating of our creators to do so, and Crowder's a little bit more of a rebel. You know what? He's been banned for four times, and that's just, that's not the same kind of, that's not a problem. The problem is saying that we all follow the same rules because here's, so that's all publicly verifiable. Now I could tell you, I could tell you guys that behind the scenes, I've had many conversations with senior YouTube executives who say, you know, we might be able to get you remonetized if you kind of play ball like these guys, daily wire and insert other people here i could tell you that but would you believe me would have to provide receipts i could tell you that that

takes place that hurts the creators out there who end up you know hitting a glass ceiling that has set the sandbox that is mandated their creators the same thing happens um with sponsors let me let me ask you a quick what does that mean mean, play ball? Obviously, you're paraphrasing. Yeah, paraphrasing. Titles, subjects, not talk about this subject or not talk about it in this way. Maybe soften, don't use these words. Maybe change this a little bit. This happens a lot, right, behind the scenes. And that makes it impossible for independent content creators.

The same thing happens, by the way. So that's gaslighting that you see right there. We all follow the same rules. It was about money, then it's about a phone call with sponsors. Look. But if I could ask you, did YouTube reach out to you and say, hey, do you want to play ball with us? Yeah, we have conversations all the time with YouTube.

Matter of fact, I can tell you that here's the thing. I'm not going to be providing receipts to people who don't want to be involved. There's a difference between single-party consent state and wiretapping. You don't rope people in who are victims, but if it's an entity that you believe is predatory, that's the difference. There are good people at YouTube. There are some good people there who want, but their hands are tied. And guess what?

Everyone else's hands are tied if you say, hey, we're all trying to fight this system that exists, but you're not. You're mandating that you exist within the system. Only one person is saying, hey, you know what? If you want to be monetized and you don't, that's fine. And one is saying, you have to fit into this box. Very important context to this is, obviously, after you put out the first video, I've talked to a bunch of my friends, and they said,

look, you know, the other way I was trying to run a business, if he gets banned off YouTube, how are they going to sell ads? How are they going to do the sponsorships? His views are gone. And I've seen people tweet, all of crowder's views come from youtube anyway so he'd basically be unmonetizable if he was banned and then i point out first of all that's that's just categorically false that's not true because rumble exists and it's streamed there for the first time today and this is an important context the contract you were offered says

facebook apple uh i said youtube apple facebook spotify but it didn't mention any of your views from any other any other platforms and there's google podcasts they get they get views i know the numbers obviously it's not the same as an apple but it's interesting to me that for a lot of people like dan bongino for instance had more subscribers on rumble than youtube yeah it's interesting then that their attitude is if you're banned from youtube it's a 20 fee reduction which you mentioned includes your your staff salary 25 and then sorry 25 for demon and then another 20 it's 45 in other words for us right off the bat and this is the thing i said like what is this is this an accident like you know in other words okay we're good but hold on a second does anyone here

does anyone have a problem do you do you not believe me when i say we haven't been monetized on youtube for three years you all know right of course literally we're not that close zero days or did you have so what happened is we were demonetized how many years ago then they someone accidentally monetized us for like four months and then we were like yeah and then demonetized again we're like what happened and they're like yeah actually no sorry you're demonetized again i was like well skunked again so what did we do to get monetized basically answer right i want to make sure this point is made clear for everybody because this is a very important part of the argument

when I heard it. If the point is you can't sell ads or build an audience because YouTube banned you and that's it, but you're getting 85% or more views on Rumble, the question is why no penalty for getting banned from Rumble? Why is Rumble not a consideration in the contract at all? And why don't they simply say comparable views instead of the platform like if for every million views per day you lose we dock you i can answer you that question exactly because it's fundamental to the

business model and i was informed of that it is fundamental in other words there are plenty of options out there right he can tell you i get excited when i walk out of them i go hey how many people were tuning in live on youtube how many on rumble they go oh it's tips there are more people on rumble sure i've been on YouTube for a long time, since 2006. But it doesn't mean that they don't change. And the issue is, I think it's a great thing to use these platforms. There's a huge difference, by the way, between being monetized and being on the platform. But ultimately, if we believe what we say, we have to be trying to get to the point where we know that, fast forward five years, you can't speak the truth on YouTube.

Certainly not if you want to be trying to get to the point where we know that fast forward five years, you can't speak the truth on YouTube, certainly not if you want to be monetized. But there's this jockeying for position with people who they see as competition. And the issue here that I've always made clear is the locking in of these punitive contracts that mandate and enforce big tech policies and guidelines as a matter of business. And that hurts creators. And the same thing, by the way, when we're talking about misleading practices with sponsors there's no problem right and this is all publicly verifiable i want you guys to be able to audit this so that there don't have to be as many receipts provided you market your your your channel right i think we probably have some ads running right now like spotify like yay if you like this show tune on spotify um but there's a

big difference we know that there's a huge problem in our industry of pay-to-play now you can do that that's fine if you want to grow your numbers. What does that mean? So pay to play means that you can buy views, right? You can pay to play. You can run your video as a pre-roll ad, and people see that number, but really a lot of them are 14-second views, 8-second views, but it still clicks that counter.

The closest apples to apples comparison that you could do right now is you could go out and take, like, let's say, not this controversy because there's cross-pollination, but Ben Shapiro's a huge show. Of course he is. But go take some videos there right now that have a million plays. Go month after month.

Take a bunch of them. Look at the likes. Look at the comments. Take videos from my channel. It's a comparable place. Take them with 800,000, 600,000 plays because we've converted them

a lot to rumble. Look at the likes. Look at the comments. It's startling because it's a lot easier to buy plays than it is to buy likes and comments. That's not a problem. Wait, are you saying that the Daily Wire is buying views for their content? I'm saying that they run the comments. It's startling because it's a lot easier to buy plays than it is to buy likes and comments. That's not a problem. Wait, are you saying that the Daily Wire is buying views for

their content? I'm saying that they run the videos. This happens not just Daily Wire, to be clear. It's not Big Con is designed because it's an entire industry. And what happens is, yes, these views get inflated. There's nothing wrong with running ads to increase the video count. The problem is this. When that is used to then go out and set sponsorship rates, and then this is what happens with creators. When you sit down with sponsors, and these are hard-earned dollars, right? A lot of them are mid-sized companies. You run them on this show, and they say, yeah, but you know what? board which hurts everybody or they pull out all together now you can publicly verify that that information now i could tell you guys that i've had conversations with sponsors that say we're not going to be running in the conservative space because it's just not as effective as we thought it was or you know what we're going to be pulling out and content creators you say why am i getting these low advertising rates here's the issue if you're some kid and by kid i you know, you could be a 40-year-old with a smaller podcast.

Let's say you get a quarter million plays. Not as big, but good numbers. Let's say you get half a million plays. Good numbers, but they're real. And you are a conservative, and you're trying to grow this. And then all of a sudden, your content, YouTube is saying, can't say that. Can't do that because of the box that's being created by all of these companies in big conservatism. And then you're trying to make it, right? You're trying to make it something that is financially solvent. And you can't because sponsors no longer have faith in this side of the industry. That is something that hurts those creators.

And this is something that, so the creators are hurt. The sponsors are hurt. The viewers are hurt because, I just want to finish this one. And then any questions you have, the viewers are hurt because they feel isolated. They feel like their views are not represented, right? They go, hold on a second. I'm conservative. Why are none of the top people saying whatever it is?

X, Y, Z. And the investors are hurt. And I don't mean billionaires. In our case, it's people who invest. When they sign up for Mug Club, they are paying us because they say, we know that you're demonetized. We know that you don't run nearly as many sponsors. You're very selective. And we think we are giving you our dollar in faith because we think that you are fighting for us.

Imagine, let me give you one final parallel world there. Imagine if we left the blaze. Okay. And this, again, the issue is that everyone is demanded to sign these exact same contracts. That's what they said. They've been very, very clear about that. It's just business. Imagine if Mug Club leaves the blaze.

And let's say we come back two, three months. Okay. And we come back and all of a sudden, I don't talk about vaccines in the way that I used to. All of a sudden, I don't talk about election integrity like I used to. All of a sudden, I don't host Carrie Lake in the same way that I used to or host her at all. And all of a sudden, all the parodies, the sketches, you know, the sweeping epic, like a parody of Saving Private Ryan, or There Will Be Blood or Schindler's List, whatever it is, you don't see any change in my mind. You don't see any of those anymore, but you see four or five live reads.

I'd be the definition of a sellout. And I would be selling out the people who paid for something different. Only one group of people here is saying, you have to fit into this box. I'm saying, you gotta let some people let the freak flag fly. I don't care if you wanna be monetized or not.

Don't lock people and punish them on behalf of big tech when you claim that you are fighting them. And it is everywhere. And it's disheartening. I'll tell you a story. I think the people who have watched my content consistently know about this. It was called, some refer to it as ad rights sales, ad rights buying. Back in the early 2010s, these up-and-coming digital media outlets would sell the rights. What they would do is they would buy the rights to views. So let's say you're a company called like badbehavior.com, some word that represents people. Why don't you pick one that is clearly going to direct people to hardcore pornography? All right, let's just say

good behavior yeah skittles and rainbows website okay and uh same big okay okay audacious m&ms let's say you're a you're a big brand and you get about 30 million views per month that's not going to cut it you you can sell a premium idea. There would be these low-tier websites. You've seen them before. You'll see an ad and it'll say, guess what this celebrity looks like now. You click it. And then it'll say,

here's the celebrity throughout 25 years. And every photo has 50 ads. And you click next and it loads a new page with 50 ads. What they're doing is harvesting views. Right. So then this website that nobody knows the name of, nobody visits, tricks you into collecting a view.

They then sell the rights to those views to a premium network. The premium network then goes to advertisers and says, our network gets 200 million views per month. And if you advertise with us, you are in that network. And in reality, you only get 30, but they bought the rights to those ads. Meanwhile, there's some kid who's actually getting 10 million views, right?

Meanwhile, there's some kid, and he doesn't get the same advertiser rates because he gets burned. And then those kids drop out. Does anyone ever wonder why the burnout rate is so high in this industry? There are so many good people. I mean, you can go back to when I was on PJTV in 2009. People who I worked with, good, solid people who, by the way, had skin in the game, who had a lot to lose. And you'll never hear from them again because they just go, I'm out. I'm out. They get disenfranchised. They get disenchanted. And that's the issue. Look, it

doesn't affect me. I'll be fine either way. But we've always talked about building a bench. And I've always talked about wanting to be able to pass the torch. It's not possible to do this way. And by the way, the way you know this is true is right now I have said I don't want to do this. Again, I've been thinking about this for a long time, trying to work behind the scenes, trying to work within the system, until I realized there's just no interest in doing it that way. And then you say, okay, is our move, this is why we lose. Conservatives wonder, what the hell? What about the midterms? What the hell happened? Why do you think? Why do you think people like Lindsey Graham, like Mitch

McCutcheon, nothing personal against them, why do you think that there are people out there and you go, how do they not get voted out? Why do you think these are our decisions for Speaker? These are our choices. Why do you think you constantly lose? Because the people who really do want to be the vanguard at the cutting edge, they burn out and they leave

because they can't compete against it. And that's the issue. I got to tell you, man, I make this point all the time where I just say, for all the people who are claiming I'm a grifter or I only want money and that I don't really believe the things I'm fighting for, I'm like, it would be so much easier to sell everything,

shut it all down and just buy some properties, rent them out and not have to worry about any of this. Take money and shut up. Take money and shut up. Take money and shut up. But it's not about what's easy. It's about what matters. Yeah. And by the way, we want you guys to make money.

We want every conservative in this space to run a profitable business. That's what I run. I own a wine business. I saw your Manuka honey back there. We want people to make as much money as humanly possible, but do it honestly. And just be honest with people about how you're going to spend that money as well. Well, there's the issue, too. And we're talking about honesty.

Is it just friends or is it just business? You kind of have to pick one. Is it a lash out or is it premeditated? You kind of have to pick one. Look, let's... Yeah, go ahead. I do want to talk about the friend versus business thing, but I do want to first jump into a segment

where we can talk about $50 million. The big narrative that we were hearing about your argument... Well, it's not anymore, right? They changed it to the phone call. That was the initial narrative, which was a lie. That's a tactic of the left. Gaslight. Let's do the context here.

You put out a video. You mentioned, look at these fees. I never mentioned money outside of what I believe were immoral penalty fees. You've never heard me say, hey, not enough money was offered. That's not what it's about. So when we first were watching the show and we talked about it, I said, what's the fee? We don't know. And then the Daily Wire's response, of course, was we offered this guy $50 million.

Basketball money. Basketball money. The response then from detractors and most people was, holy crap. And they're imagining Steven Crowder in a big private bank vault diving into a bunch of gold coins. When in reality, the $50 million included the entire budget for your whole staff your whole production facility every production

you would have done meaning you've got to pay how many employees do you have? About 25 soon to be 30 something. Soon to be 30 something now if you want to do

production on a skit we're talking maybe 30 to 50k depending on the size of the skit. Yeah. Every time we show up to do a change my mind is $50,000.

Millions in legal each year millions of dollars in equipment payroll millions change of mind, it's $50,000. Millions in legal each year. Millions of dollars in equipment. Payroll. Millions of dollars in taxes. It's the merging of, what was that? It's theft. Yes, I completely agree.

Let me just say, I'm on your side on this one. Everybody can know my bias. The reason that really bothered me is because I run a company. I know how much money we make. And there are people who assume that revenue equals money in your pocket profit. And it's like, no, no, no, no. If they're giving them $50 million, it sounds so wonderful to you. They're assuming you're dumb.

They're treating the audience like they're dumb. Again, I think— Well, no, no, no. A lot of people don't understand this. People don't understand because they're assuming that you won't go and do research. Look, $50 million basketball money versus $12 million. If, let's say, Marvel says, I don't know, the new Thor movie is $200 million. Is that Hemsworth's salary?

It's that simple of an analogy. But the issue here, and I'll let Gerald kind of talk about that more. The issue here is, like, I think that these people at Daily Wire, they've said that they're very business savvy. They're running a business. So are they very business savvy?

And are they dumb and don't know that $12.5 million a year for an entire production house is what we're actually looking at? Or are they lying when they say it's basketball money and $50 million salary? I think Candace Owens at one point got up to like $140 or something. So you said you wanted $30 million a year or $140 million. And the only reason people know that's not true, and you've seen the transcript, you ever see me once say, hey, it's about more money? There was never an offer sent after I said,

look, it's a non-starter if you don't change these terms. And please tell me that you're not doing this with other people. There was never anything after that. Whereas, of course, the non-starter is I can't do five live reads because we do commercials. I just want to ask one specific question because a lot of people are bringing this up and they're accusing you guys of only exposing them after they turned down your counter offer. Is that true? Or can you add more information to that? Yeah, I don't know why they're saying the timeline that he kind of gave was completely inaccurate. Yeah, there was never any counteroffer from us. What Stephen said was basically,

look, guys, these are the terms that we have a problem with. And if this, I don't care what the contract says dollar wise. If these terms are in there, that's bad, and you need to start again. This has to be pulled out. So there was no counteroffer, because I'm seeing a lot of you guys say... There was the agent. The agent, I think my agent, the first, they sent this term sheet. The agent said, well, if you're talking about 100% ownership, by the way, in perpetuity forever, meaning, and it's a six-year contract with no option to negotiate.

They have an option to extend for two years. Six years, locked in at that rate, and again, how do you penalize someone for money that they don't make? They're not going to lose money on you being demonetized. Now, I get that I'm a special situation, but this is demanded of everybody. The big con issue is something that I've been running up against and everyone in this industry knows for many, many years. They just were arrogant enough to out themselves and to put it in writing and to say, we know how to run this business. We figured it out. You don't know what you're talking about. And of course, you know, after that, another last job was, you know, then going and trying to take our social media director. And I only showed you that email because he's willing for me to show

you like we have our people poached all the time. When you have your ideas stolen and they put more money behind it, not just mine, when you build someone up and someone else comes in and says, hey, we'll offer you more money, they use them for six months and burn them out, I'm sure that's an accident. I'm sure the people at the top of Daily Wire didn't know when they reached out to someone who was not looking for a job, who loudly and proudly advertises himself as social media director for Light Earth Crowder. But I could tell you that on that phone call, they said, we have an entire social media department. I said, I have one guy, Gary, and he's awesome. A few days later.

I do want to dedicate more time. Did Gary join Daily Wire? No, they came in and tried to hire him. I want to dedicate some more time to starting from the beginning of the context of that story. But I wanted to address something before Luke jumped in. How dare you, Luke? How dare you, Luke? Go to Florida. No, no, no. Go to address something before Luke jumped in. How dare you, Luke? How dare you, Luke? Go to Florida!

That was a good question. I want to put a tack on this. One of the big things we're hearing is a friend. You guys were friends. The recording of the phone call and stuff. Thinking about the contract, a four-year contract with an option to renew for two,

locking you in at that rate, 12.5, including the entirety of your staff, and it's just business, and I'm kind of like, you know, I hear that. It's not something friends offer their friends. No, is it boilerplate? We send this to everybody? Or is it a friend?

You know what it costs to have a lawyer mark up a term sheet? It ends up being thousands of dollars, especially when it's like, look, hit select all, delete. None of this makes sense. This isn't for someone who's been demonetized. But the problem, and that's when it came down to, well, you heard in that phone call, I said, take me out of it. This is not the right fit period. I knew that.

Please tell me that these are not the terms that are demanded. Penalties that you are monetized on YouTube, that you remain on Facebook, that you stay in. Please tell me these are not the terms that are demanded of everybody. And I said, those were the last words. And he said, yeah, you know, maybe I'll take it under advisement. And then you go, okay, all right,

this is where we are. There's no hope for the movement if we claim to be fighting big tech and we sell out the people who are paying us to do so and fighting on behalf of big tech. I'm sorry, it is something, it's wrong. Earlier in the show, you mentioned that, I think you mentioned this in the show, that you were in Hollywood us to do so and fighting on behalf of big tech i'm sorry it is something it's wrong earlier earlier

in the show you mentioned that uh i think you mentioned this in the show that you were you were in hollywood you were uh doing the standard talent route and then you decided to come out on youtube as a conservative and it basically cost you a lot you lost your manager i don't you don't come off uh to me as a lot of you know candace was on the show and she said he's doing it for money it's so obvious why can't people see it and i'm just I'm thinking about that and I'm like... Do you believe that? No, I don't. Well, they're accusing you of counter-offering. But I understand that. The first thing I thought was

Crowder's already rich. You know what I mean? I understand people are looking at contracts and money. Not really like you'd think. If they want to do personal tax returns and business tax returns and the charitable givings, we can do that. We can do that. We can do it through a third party and seal them because i get private information we can do that gerald will tell you this is this is again you know uh people like why

why i care about the subject matter so much running this business and making lots of money i often say for a guy like me who growing up in chicago and being close to the bottom of the totem pole as an american which is great for the rest of the world. I mean, for the rest, America's awesome. The poorest person is wealthy compared to everybody else. But there's a certain point in terms of having things that I could have ever wanted and it's a very, very low bar. You know, I'm making it,

once I got hired by Disney, the Disney fusion, they're paying me 250K. I'm staring at money I have no idea what to do with. Beyond that, I'm going to change the world. I'm going to do everything I can. But this is the thing, the dialogue shifted to money, money, money, money, money, money. You heard me say this is wrong. And then it's money, money, money, just a business. And then it's,

this is wrong. Money, money, money, money. This is just a business. Look, it's not just a business. And by the way, when you're talking about business, find out what motivates the people you're in business with. I'm not motivated by money. That's not what motivates me. If you look back at the track record in 2009, it was because I wanted to see the system burn, meaning as far as the system that kept conservatives in line. And I mean the liberal system, but then when you realize that it's on your own side, not motivated by money, and by the way, don't leave someone, don't leave someone with nothing to lose. You know the easiest situation is take the money, shut up. Second easiest is go bet on yourselves. You've seen

the numbers that we've given you there. And guess what? You make more money, you shut up. Second easiest is go bet on yourselves. You've seen the numbers that we've given you there. And guess what? You make more money, you shut up. The option of say no and say, look, this is wrong and speak out is significantly harder than any of the other paths. The two things I want to say is my point on the money was I view you in a similar way that you're ideologically driven. That if you have the resources to do what you want to do and you're living comfortably and taking care of your family, beyond that, I don't see you as the kind to do what you want to do and you're living comfortably and taking care of your family, beyond that, I don't see you as the kind of guy who's like, I don't have an infinity pool and three Ferraris in my garage. So when they say Crowder is just... What's the infinity pool? Is that the edge?

It's where the edge goes off. It looks like a horizon. I have no idea. That sounds nice. I mean, I wouldn't mind one. But the question is, if you had the choice between an infinity pool and a young, talented personality who was going to help change the shape of this you had the choice between an infinity pool and a young you know a talented

personality who was going to help change the shape of this country for the better I think you're going to choose to change the shape of this country

for the better that's my view of you 100% I had to tell this guy that it was okay to buy a reasonably priced shotgun yes sir

I'm not kidding this is not me well he is Canadian we've been friends for a while Steven can tell me at any point to go pound sand, right? So I'm not kissing up. He's like, guys, what about

this shotgun? I'm thinking of this. It's a good one. I got one. Do you have the H2 over? I have the foldable stock. Is it basketball money? Crazy expensive? No. No, it's not, right? Everyone in America deserves a shotgun. A Benelli, too. A Benelli. It was two and a half years before I pulled the trigger. We were it's not, right? And so he has Everyone in America deserves a shotgun.

A Benelli too. A Benelli. It was two and a half years We were in Texas together and you were there when I bought it. Yeah, but we were at a shop out here. Luke said,

hey, you should buy that. It's really great. I buy it. And then he goes, I want it. I want it instead. Was it a Benelli? I was pissed off

because I was like, I didn't think. I was like, I should have bought this. And then he bought it before me. I'm like, wait, wait. So wait, hold on. No, hold on. This is funny.

We had a whole argument. John was with, by the way, how many people are watching right now? 150,000-ish. 158. On our channel, 158,000. 158,000. So what? What?

158,000. Is that a? 158,000. That's just on your channel. That's why we're still streaming on ours, right? I think second highest number we've ever done. Okay. Just on our YouTube alone.

Did you want to say transfer? Make a point. No, it wasn't make a point no so no it wasn't really a point was the benelli m4 right so what happened is i really want it but they're not cheap and i was like you know what i can't justify buying as you go buy it online and so i was talking with gerald and and johnny boy who you met my canadian friend i said okay you know what if i go into it because you know they're like unicorns they sell out right away i said if i go into a gun store to pick up something up or something and it happens to be there that's

god telling me he wants me to have a benelli m4. And I went to go pick up some transfers from Walther, and lo and behold, I see one there just came in, and it's the H2O version, the Cerakoted version. And I don't think you were with me, but Johnny Boy was. And I was like, you know, I still don't think I can justify it. He said, if you don't pay for it, I'm going to buy it. And, of course, I knew that it would be far more expensive for him. So I bought it, but it took a long time. time i'm not really motivated but it is a nice shotgun

though i will say occasionally there are some things if you're gonna spend money on oh a tool any tool that you want to learn something with like a guitar too you want to get a good a really good tool yeah or like knives like if i have like there's a huge with steel and that's okay sorry tim i know we're giving you let's go let's go i love the vanilla stuff because i got one i wanted to make but i i gotta make a point about you said in 2009 you you were like you realize that the liberal system is you know holding you back or something to the effect and then you eventually realize it's on your side as well yeah i look over to luke because luke's the guy who's been screaming since 2006 like the republican machine is lying to you all the same the powers that were being given to the intel agencies and the establishment will be used against you.

Here we are. Well, here's the thing. You're absolutely right. And let's be honest, right? How can you change all that yourself? You're doing the best that you can, right? But there's only so much that you can do. The difference is right now, at this point,

in inflection point history, as it relates to right-wing conservative media, I can do something. I can't change the intelligence agencies. But you know what? When I asked Kerry Lake on the show I say would you disband the FBI Yeah I would

Boom Gone Suspended I can do something about that I can't change the CIA or the FBI You're probably more effective with that than I am I'm an entertainment guy I was a guy telling jokes in clubs

Having beer bottles thrown at me When I was 17 years old Voicing a black bear Who was the best friend of an aardvark When I was 12 Which is clearly derived from hallucinogenic drugs. I love that show. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

I had to do the Kwanzaa rep, if ever you want to find something embarrassing, for the Christmas episode. And that's when I was 13 years old. And I was like, oh, Kwanzaa. And I was like, let me look into this. I should, you know, Daniel Day-Lewis this. And then I realized, oh, it's bullshit.

It's Ron Everett. And he beat them with fire hoses and soldering irons. And then I'm doing this song for Arthur. Hey, come together now, it's Kwanzaa time. And I wanted to shoot. Was the pay worth it? Well, at that point, I was under contract at 12 years old. Right.

So there's not much you can do. I still remember we were called crazy truthers for calling this out, as rationally as we did, saying, hey, the national security state is going to be turned around against you. And it has. But at that time, specifically, we had a discourse that was kind of free and open. We didn't have algorithms. People were able to see important messages and videos and talking points and content creators. Now we're living in a different age. I wanted to kind of get your point of view. Some people say you have to keep pushing the Overton window. Some people say you got to keep playing ball. Mark D also in the chat he just is accusing ben shapiro of allegedly paying 135 thousand dollars to boost his facebook posts i don't know if that's true well who cares though

he can do that the the only issue i have is when the only issue i have is when that's used and it hurts people because sponsors drop out because they don't get their money's worth again i could tell you that but would those receipts be a betrayal because this industry fundamentally needs to change people are investing in you and in us and in what you're saying right if you can't say what it is that you're saying right now let's say if you send a contact said yeah but you know we have a lot of buddies in those in those systems you're selling out the people who are supporting you and that's something that to me is unconscionable and people can disagree with it but no i think you're i think you're absolutely right so what would be the total

solution i'm i want to get into the the right. So what would be the total solution? I want to get into the problem solving. What would you do if you were the Daily Wire? Okay, so the only thing, and this is the thing, this is all done right now. I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but the first answer, and I've said we won't talk about this again. If someone takes a pledge alongside me, anyone in Big Con, just the only thing that I ask is that you do not punish conservative content creators on behalf of big tech. That's it. Start with that.

Let's start with that. Before we get to everything else, right, a lot of times people want the entire solution. Just start with that. You won't be penalized 25% if you're demonetized on YouTube by the people who are supposed to be fighting for you. Now let's address the argument there. The argument they've made is why should we be the ones to lose money if you're removed from the platform and not making money? And that sounds really great, right?

It's a partnership. That's what they were talking about. They were trying to pick like a partnership and put it into contract form or at least in this, you know, like a term sheet, right? Well,

what it didn't take into account, honestly, is what if, what if Steven, okay, it's $12.5 million. What if he's making them 30? What if he's making them $ million dollars a year guarantee yeah what if he's making them 30 million dollars a year and all of a sudden instead of making 30 there subtract two from that

so it's fine to share in these things when the expenses come up but when the upside comes up we're not really in a partnership anymore we would this wasn't about money guys we would be the only one that's ingenuous the only ones at risk i It's just disingenuous. The only ones at risk. I'm already demonetized. I can hear Jeremy being like, it was a term sheet. I wouldn't negotiate it. I can hear him. Well, look, I can write that when I had sex with your wife

on a term sheet. No, I thought you were going to redline it. Come on. Okay, George Costanza. I had sex with your own wife. This is a good point. It penalized you. If you get banned,

you lose X percent. No matter how much you're making. 45. No matter how much you're making and no matter how, you lose X percent. No matter how much you're making. 45. No matter how much you're making and no matter how much you lose. Yeah. If you lose $0, they penalize you.

And the penalties add up to 110%. And they said in their own video, this is demanded of all creators, right? Does anyone disagree that that's what was said? This is what everyone signs. Now, here's the issue with that. Again, you don't put it in if you don't want that. The counterpoint, Candace said, is she negotiated signs now now here's the issue with that again you don't put it in if you don't want that the counter the counterpoint candace said is she negotiated she hired a lawyer

yeah stephen crowder has the resources to hire a lawyer and redline this sure she put on her good friends i figured out why why candace was so pissed last so hold on wait yeah i figured it out i can i'll tell you about this second i want i want to let's talk about the friends thing this is actually a really good point. You recorded co-CEO of Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, on a phone call. He says, I thought we were friends. A lot of people have said, wow, that was a mess of a thing to do. It sounds like what you're saying in the context we were just talking,

they sent you a business contract that was very bad, that penalized you 110% if all fees are applied, more money than they would actually pay you. And it didn't take into consideration if you made them more money. It didn't take into consideration how much money you made them. It didn't take into consideration if you were banned from Facebook, but Facebook generated no revenue, it still penalized you. That's part of it. So here's what I'm hearing. Here's what I'm thinking. If the question is, and I do have qualms about recording the recording, but we'll get into more detail. They say you were supposed to be friends.

Why would you record your friend's phone call? There's an interesting point to be made. Why would your friend send you a very, very bad contract that felt exploitative? And why would a friend not listen to you when you say, take me off the table. It's not a fit. There was never, just to be clear, there was never another offer that came through after I said, these are the non-starters, the penalties for big tech, right? The owning of people's names, image, likeness, their platforms, which in perpetuity, long after they leave, I said, then we can talk about the money, right? He said they came in low,

and I'm sure my gay Cuban hardcore right-wing agent came in high. You find that, but it's like, but there can't be any terms without this. Once I said that can't happen, these terms, the big tech penalties, that's when talks completely stopped. It was never changed and said, of course all these – it's like you saw in the first video. We have to make money. They outright said that fee structure couldn't be changed. Yeah, there was never another offer after that. I said, look, this is the sticking point. You have to get rid

of all of these. Change it. And also, we can't do this. I'd love to sit from one business owner to another. You don't have to do it this way, right? A good example is, look, and I feel vulgar talking about numbers, election night. Okay, election night. We had been suspended for having Kerry Lake on.

The entire Daily Wire cast on YouTube, less than a quarter of the viewers that we had on Rumble. When we crossed streams, their viewership went up 30,000, 40,000 people. That's proof of product that, hey, look, proof of concept. You can do it off of YouTube. You don't have to. I think you use the platform as long as you can, but you need to start building alternatives. It is fundamental to the business model on the right to not change that.

And I'll just point out that we have about 120,000 more live viewers than we average with you being here. So there's something to be said. I think Daily Wire has got some creative, like a lot of opportunity on their website. Cause like if all your back catalog was on Daily Wire at no cost to anybody and they could go into Daily Wire, log in. And then I spend 99 cents on a Crowder video. And then that money gets split between you guys. Like, there's a lot of technical possibilities. Well, they're already doing over 300,000 Mug Clip subscribers day one, right?

Now, the issue here is, let's take me out of it. Let's say you're starting your own thing, right? You're trying to come up in this movement, and the terms are being set by people on your side behind the scenes where this is the ball that you have to play. I said to Jimmy, take me out of it. It's not the right fit, which I thought, if I don't have a dog in this fight anymore,

it won't fall on deaf ears when I say, hey, it's about the next kid. This can't work. We can't have a movement. We can't sell our people out. And that's how I view it. Maybe you don't. They said, this is just a business. These are the terms.

But there are alternatives. You don't have to be dependent on YouTube or Facebook. And you certainly shouldn't make it fundamental to your business model when you're telling people that you're fighting them. This has been going on for years. Years. And not just Daily Wire, to be clear. Not just Daily Wire. Pick a name in the movement.

Most likely, yes. Here's my view of it. I think the Daily Wire does important work, good work. Candace Owens' BLM documentary I think was good. What is a Woman I think was a massive success. What is a Woman reached people that I know that aren't political. And that's a cultural force. So I think I talked with them.

We had a meeting. I sat down with Jeremy, with a few of the other guys, but mostly with Jeremy. Jeremy came on the show. Afterwards he said, hey, if there's anything you ever guys, but mostly with Jeremy. Jeremy came on the show. Afterwards, he said, hey, if there's anything you ever need, just let us know. Thanks for having me on. And I was like, I'll hit you up sometime.

We talked about doing Nashville Week because we wanted to try out our new mobile studio. Then we got, you know, while we're in the process of setting this up, I said, well, let's talk. I mean, is there a way we can maximize the effectiveness of our operations? You guys are way bigger than us.

Of course. But of course, there could be an opportunity that we don't understand that you do. And so we started talking about a variety of different things. Ultimately, it came to potential terms. It came to requirements. Of all the businesses I've ever negotiated with, the most real, in my opinion, was with Jeremy. It was like i was talking

to an actual human being who knew what he meant who explained the pitfalls the pros and cons look if we do a deal like this you're right it's gonna suck because of that reason that's true what do you think and i said i don't know if that's gonna work for us the joke is i i actually said what if i want to put up a billboard that says liz cheney's a fat pig and he was like you know that's not us like we're not. You couldn't find one big enough? Right. But I said, I'm not literally going to do that. I feel it is kind of crude saying that point.

But the point I'm trying to make is that we're roguish. We want to do weird things. The ultimate conclusion was, maybe we can't work transactionally together. And I was like, yeah. He's like, but we'll do other cool stuff. We'll talk with your guys on our shows. know we'll have you on you can come on this would be really great for everybody and so my view was like i agree with you on the contract stuff but why did it really fall apart why did it why did it completely fall apart like the deal with what you're saying is they were saying you need to

be in this box because it's not about the billboard. Let's be honest. It's not just about the billboard. Well, the billboard was the box. It was like, if I wanted to do something that was aggressive and more shocking, the billboard is that point. I don't want to put up a billboard calling Liz Cheney a fat pig. Can I ask you something?

Yeah. Did they do the thing where they said, we're trying to look at outside capital for you for the first time. We couldn't make it work. They didn't do that? They didn't do that? I don't want to give up too much of the details of the conversation we had of course but i basically said uh let's just say i

made a big ask of the biggest asks that if if if what you're saying you know it has to be this way then i have a very very big ask and they were like yeah that's expensive i don't know if we can do that and i was like look ultimately what it comes down to is, for those that understand tabletop RPGs, they play Paladin, I play Rogue. Someone commented in Super Chat. I don't understand the reference. But I'll explain right now. Do you not? Someone Super Chatted, they're trying to be rebels within the box.

They're warriors of God. That's a Paladin. Basically, think of a stoic monk, a knight following the rules, holding his sword, saying, look, the rules are as such. We will do right to the best of our abilities. Whereas we here at SimCast are like a bunch of crackpots in the bandit's forest being like, we're going to do what we want to do. It's like the Lost Boys out here.

It's a skate park. It's like a bunch of mopeds. I thought you were going to throw a basketball in my face. I was going to play. I wanted to yell a banger. I did bring you to the basketball court. You did. Yeah, you know, I would agree with you if, here's the problem, when you have a few, because it's, again, this is not about the daily wire. There are a few key companies that control what is

permissible in this movement. And these few key companies are saying, this is the only way. I'm saying there could be many ways. It would be one thing if we're saying, hey, maybe this way, maybe this other way. But now this sort of reeks of, why don't you go and create your own YouTube? Why don't you go and create your own? Find billionaire investors to give you seed money. Well, how do you do that when then, this happens a lot, ideas are stolen

and then millions pumped behind it to promote it as though it seems original. And then they steal your talent, who you foster. You know, you've probably had this happen. I've had it happen with dozens of people. The picture I sent you of people working at our company, there's at least four or five there who worked for me. They were young.

Other big networks in this space came in, offered them a bunch of money. I said, look, I'm not going to keep you. I give you a letter of recommendation. After six months, they come back. So I wanted to address what you were just saying about these companies playing by the rules. That's completely my experience with a lot of these different companies, is that big tech is clearly infiltrated by, I mean, you look, Alan Bakari, I think it was, got his hands on that Google video

where they were crying that Trump won. This is Google. I love this. On my Wikipedia, it says, Tim Pool maintains that there's a bias in big tech against conservatives or whatever. And I'm like, no, I don't. I read a Gizmodo article from 2016

that said Facebook was suspending conservative news outlets. I was in there. That's how I met my half-agent, Larry Bill Richmond. He read the article and he was like, yeah, it's like the Chris Cowell Foundation, Ted Cruz for president, and you, you need some representation? They act like it was a smear against me that I was pushing conspiracy theories when I was literally reading the left news sources. So anyway.

And Luke saying, told you. They set these terms, these big tech companies. And then what happens is the leftist organizations clearly say the stupidest and craziest things. You know, chat GPT, the AI bot. It was, I think, Jack Posobiec who asked it or he tweeted this out when asked, did Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow spread COVID misinformation? It says, no, they didn't. And it was like, well, they did.

Literally, we know for a fact they did yes and then it goes on says well while they acknowledge some mistakes no no the whole machine is skewed in that direction what happens then is big tech company i shouldn't say big tech i'm sorry many of these big conservative outlets i shouldn't even say necessarily conservative outlets but many of these many of these companies are just like we we're going to set the parameters right here because we're going to be within the box. We're going to be rebels in the box. This is the problem,

and I'm finding why I think Candace was pissed too, is that when we refer to companies doing thing, and what happens is the company is a hologram. It doesn't have any availability or any ability to do anything. So when you're negotiating, for instance, it comes out, Steven Crowder negotiating with the Daily Wire, quote.

And that brings all these other Daily Wire employees into it. Like they were getting messages, Candace was, Michael knows on their chats. And they're like, now I'm involved because it was between you and Jeremy Boring, Ben Shapiro. There's actually four owners to the Daily Wire, Ferris Wilkes and Caleb Robinson owned by Bent Key Ventures.

So you're only in negotiation with four people. If we stop saying YouTube is doing this, we going to get a lot more accurate and the people who's doing it who's who's using youtube as a filler yeah i want to know and i also that leaves out unnecessary collateral damage yeah well like i said it's like they send out on youtube you know they send out representatives of conservatives and they're patsies for the higher-ups but when you get coming back to you time and time again you know you did what company X, if you did what company, meaning big conservative companies who have meetings with them, if you did that, we might be able to get you remonetized

or at least not suspended. And that's what, I mean, this is the thing. Is there any examples you could give us about key issues, specifically about that? Yeah, anything relating back in the day on trans issues. For example, we had a character like we did for a long time. Trani Bain was a character that we did. It was Bain, Dark Knight series.

And the whole idea was an uprising, Arkham Asylum against YouTube. They said you can't do that anymore. There was one where they said you can't sell off-site the socialism shirt that we had, which wasn't even on YouTube. Oh, yeah, the figs one. The socialism is for figs shirt. You know what I want to know the funny story about that? I've never seen John laugh so hard. We started selling on the website. Because socialism is is for figs it's a play on words

you may not like it but people also need to know che guevara executed gays right this is a guy if when you wear a che guevara shirt you're wearing a hitler who is less successful in being charismatic and duping people not saying hitler was successful i'm saying he was a genocidal maniac so of course we're mocking him youtube says well you can't do that that shirt is hate speech it's off the platform so what we ended up selling at the uh crowder shop was a mystery box and i get a call from one of the most senior executives at youtube and i go what they go we know what's in the box i was like i'm thinking someone in silicon valley's opening it like and uh so we stopped

selling. But that's something that's completely off the platform. But the point is, right, you need to be, there needs to be someone standing up to these giant organizations. And when you say, like Jeremy said in his video, well, you know, we only met with Susan Wojcicki once and we were really going in and defending. So, OK, one second. Are you the biggest, most influential, fastest growing conservative network in the world?

Or did you spend time going in and fighting for the little guy and were completely ineffectual? You can't have both. One of those things is true. The inconsistencies are the issue here, and that's a tactic of the left. Here's I fully expect them to come out and say, this is a lie, this is a lie. Switch the narrative from the phone call. Switch the narrative from the money. Now that that's gone, probably a hit list like the Vox adpocalypse.

Probably get personal. This is why people don't speak out. This is why good people don't run for office. And we shouldn't be doing that on the right. Bless you. Thank you. I want to pull up this story right here. I want to look at this email that you've shown me. The Daily Wire tried poaching one of your employees, and what would make this significant is if this happened after your negotiations. Okay, so after you're talking – And it's not the first time that this has happened. But real quick, real quick. After you were talking with The Daily Wire about potentially doing a deal, they reach out to your employees, and I'm looking at the email right here saying that they came across the social media manager.

Hey, they got a great opportunity. Join the new counterculture, it says. They emailed your staff and said, looking at the email right here saying that you know they came across the social media manager hey they got a great opportunity join the new counterculture it says they emailed your staff and said come work for us instead right that does not sound like something a friend would know and the only reason i'm showing you that is i'm not going to be showing receipts from third parties who are who are blameless victims right gary said you can show that he came right to me and said hey look this came up i said hey they'll probably offer you more money and i'll write you a letter of recommendation he said no i know you guys want to be monetized Gary said, you can show that. He came right to me and said, hey, look, this came up. I said, hey, they'll probably offer you more money, and I'll write you a letter of recommendation. He said, no, I know you guys want to be monetized. And the issue that took place in the conversation,

it might even be in the one that you saw where I said, they're like, well, we do have a social media department. I said, well, we can do it here. That was the one thing that we talked about maybe splitting, I think, at some point. And I said, I have Gary, and he's awesome. So he was named. How long after you did that call about the term sheet did they send this email?

I don't know the date. I know it was definitely after the talks completely fell through. So here's – I mean, you probably have the timeline. But what happened is there was a week where the election happened, right, Rumble, because we were banned from YouTube going into the election, which I'm sure was a chance, just happenstance. And then we did that. And I thought I was really kind of securing the future for my children. I'm like, OK, there are other players in this space. People kind of know I'm a free agent.

Our performance on election night is going to be big because last time it was the biggest election stream ever, right? It was like 16, 17 million people across the platforms. We're only doing it on Rumble. So we wanted to do that. And I was really nervous. Kate went well. Then I did two shows at the Ryman

the original Grand Ole Opry in Nashville and some Daily Wire people came out and the shows went really well I mean people need you know eventually I'll release a special but people need to see the clip

standing out yeah standing out to both shows and Dave was there and did fantastically well too and you think okay you can't do any better Ruben? no no

just me and Dave oh Dave Landau Dave Landau yeah yeah oh great no no yeah yeah I guess do any better. Ruben? No, no, just me and Dave. Oh, Dave Landau. Dave Landau, yeah, yeah. Oh, great. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. I guess it could have been Ruben. I guess he does comedy stuff with Peterson.

Yeah, Landau. And then after that. You gave me that look. No, no, I was very confused. I thought that there were hallucinogens in here from not yet. Because that's the first thing he asked me. He's like, have you ever taken hallucinogens? He said it wasn't in there.

Yes. Then after that. I trusted you. So after that did you eat after that we'd had those conversations about like this these are the sticking points right and please like we also one but we got to figure out a better way to do this because it stifles the movement after that it was yeah we're not going to be able to come to any kind of terms and that was for sure after that conversation i made one final plea one final plea and that called like just prom take me off the table.

Promise me you won't do it to other people. And the question is, look, was your understanding when you invest money, when you subscribe, was your understanding that all conservative talent out there, nearly all, are penalized if they're demonetized? Was that your understanding? Was that your understanding that then they are penalized if they are suspended? Then they are penalized if they don't take as many lives? Was that your understanding when you were investing in people going out there and fighting for you? Because I know the feedback that I get at these live shows with thousands of people at every event, and it's not a hard-earned

dollar that I take lightly. People feel powerless. They say, there's only so much I can do. At least that guy can go out and fight for me. And I'd like it to be these guys and girls, not a guy. And for context, too, it's very important. These fees pertain to strikes and bannings on the major big tech platforms, irrespective of your viewership on the alternatives we're all trying to help. Or subscribership. Or subscribers or sponsors. And it's demonetization, too.

Here's an important picture that should be painted. A lot of people are saying, you know, Crowder, you recorded Jeremy. That's not what friends do. They're by it but here's here's what i'm seeing now and uh you know putting myself in the middle of this you you're always in the middle of it of course that's what i do right but but look you you go to the doctor now now your term sheet you go to the daily wire they say here's a term sheet you go whoa this is crazy hey you can't do this the daily Wire then says, all of a sudden,

but a few months later, Crowder registers StopPigCon, then he calls and secretly records Jeremy. He was setting us up. This email right here paints a different picture in that you talked with the Daily Wire and said,

here's our issue. Here's what we can't do. And they said, okay. And then sometime later, they try- No, they said,

if that's the issue, this is our business model and you don't know business but then they try and poach one of your employees one of your and that could be an accident but it's not the first time yeah well but you said you didn't you mentioned him by name and gary employee poaching is considered vulture-ish as it is but it is is business. And by the way, there's a huge difference between employees reaching out to you in a company and you fielding it, which happens, versus going to someone

who is clearly not available, who is mentioned by name, saying, this guy is awesome. And Gary's hilarious because he's Russian. He was born and raised in Russia until he was 13,

but he seems totally American. No accent, but then occasionally you realize he'll say something out of context, like I can kill two birds and get stoned or something. That's me. But I'm Polish. Mixed metaphors. So were you raised in Poland? Yes. Okay, so there you go. No one would guess.

So those first few years, did you have those disconnects where people are like, are you not? And you're like, I don't understand whatever. First few years he still does it. I still do it all the time. Yeah, all the time. This is the point I'm trying to make. The picture painted so far was that you all of a sudden

set up this plan to get the Daily Wire and they were blindsided by it but it actually seems like now there was a bit of a back and forth in that you said hey guys I don't like this

then they say well that's a business then they try to poach one of your employees then you're like okay this is it sounds like it's been going on for years.

But, but, but. And everyone in this space knows it. Everyone in this space knows it. This is not an issue of, they had a polite conversation with you and said, we're sorry, we disagree. And then you devised a plan to come after them. No. Then the Daily Wire comes and tries to poach an employee.

Then you guys are like, these kinds of business practices can't continue. No. And it was always about the terms. And it's, it's stupid to say that this was our plan to get subscribers i'm sorry like i get a little bit pissed off with this because that means that you didn't pay any attention at all to mug club forever that was us getting in touch with our subscribers and making sure that whatever home we went to on our own with somebody else we were going to have access to the people that paid for our content this was not a plan that was hatched to make sure that we could ride off into freedom and do whatever the hell we

wanted with this really great email list it would be the hardest way for that we said it yeah it was clear it sounds and you saw the numbers there it sounds like you guys are like right on the precipice of creating your own network or your own website where people pay you 10 bucks a month and just get access and i really don't want to have to do that. Like, here's the thing, right? Wouldn't it be great if you could link arms with the self-professed, most powerful people on our side who are supposedly fighting for us, but the problem is when they say, we have no interest in doing that, you go, wait, hold on a second, hold on a second, hold on a second.

Here's the good news. I bring tidings of great joy. We can get just as many viewers on Rumble as you can on YouTube. And by the way, stay on YouTube, but just don't punish conservatives for being demonetized. They go, this is the business. We know. No one else does.

I don't want to start a network. If you guys could counter offer, what would be the things you would counter offer right now? What deal would you guys take from a big company? Let's not just say the Daily Wire. Let's just say there's another company.

What's your ideal deal? Jill can take. Here's the problem. I would have taken a deal that was less money, less money, and more honest, and more freedom freedom and not penalizing other people. He steps in because I'm like, yeah, it sounds like good money.

He's like, you don't know what our expenses are. Gee, I'm like, I don't know, Gerald. You tell me. There are a lot of different terms that you would have to negotiate. And this has been the sticking point from the very beginning. And it kind of goes back to something that you said about Candice getting these questions. It is just 100%. You don't start with these terms in the contract.

Again, it was like, oh, it's a term sheet, negotiate. Of course we negotiate. I've been doing that. I understand that that is part of the process. That's what you do in these things. But if you're going to start there and we say, hey, that's not something that should be in this movement, and you're like, well, we're not coming back to the table.

By the way, after the Ryman, we were expecting them to come back and have changed that and made an offer that we could then start negotiating from. That never happened. So this is the term sheet right here. I've got it. Is that the first one?

I don't know. Yeah, that one that was sent, I guess, October 5th. It says non-binding term sheet. Confidential, it does say. You mean the only one? No. No, no.

I got to point out for you for you uh steven uh it says if any of the major platforms uh issue a strike you would have the fee reduced it gives it it gives examples of the major platforms are uh i'm assuming that's not limited to in which case it looks like they're basically saying what at their discretion they determine what a major platform is and then so if twitter gave you a suspension they dock your fee by 25 even though twitter is not a major driver of platform or host you know what the good news is could have been clarified and put in writing never was now and by the way i said that the first one because that didn't look like the daily wire one that you're holding i was like did you

somebody else no no it's because i think we did reader view or some shit. By the way, do me a favor. I just need to understand this because one of the arguments that was put forth is, well, this is just a standard starting point for everybody. Okay. I don't play those games. I don't do that.

Hold on. No, but it's not just a term sheet. It's not just a term sheet. Everybody else, their production comes out of you. You knew Steven well enough to know that he had his own production team and therefore the costs would be borne by him, but everything else was just standard. Our apologies for leaving it in there because that was one of the claims that was made. This is just the standard contract,

you know, negotiating start point of term sheet that we always give to everybody. It's like, yeah, but you knew Steven well enough to know he did all of his production, but then you're saying the rest of that was just standard. It's a production company. It's a production house, right? It's everything. It's 25 employees. It's just disingenuous, guys. It's not real. Do they not know better or is it dishonest? Let me ask you this. Do you really think, I will say this, the only thing I've said about Ben is Ben is brilliant. He's one of the smartest people I've ever known. I don't care what he says, okay? I still hope the best for the guy. And by the way, for people out there, and I know that they're anti-Semitic people,

I've not said there's none of this controlled opposition. I 100% believe that Ben believes what he says, even if we disagree. None of that is taking place. The problem is when you demand that other people fall into line. But do you really believe for a second that Ben is so ignorant that he thinks that's $50 million a year in my pocket, basketball money? Do you think Ben believes that? He knows better. Yeah, he said that.

Is that honest? Yep. Is that honest? Yep. Is that honest? Now, if someone did that with you and said, Tim Pool is a money-grubbing prick, and we offered him basketball money, and someone came out and called you a little bitch, right? And that literally happened,

and you had the ability to say, and you'd seen this happen to other people behind the scenes for years, and you said, that's not going to be me. You had the ability to prove that it was verifiably false which no one is arguing would you do it of course granted you know i think there's a a tactical difference between us as well in that i think you play warrior and i play rogue again over your heads but ian said they're going like right right right i do have an original copy of chrono triggerigger. Oh, hell yeah, dog. Yes.

I would just put... By the way, he met a girl who grew up on my block. Apparently, I have her copy from Super Nintendo, like Star Wars Return of the Jedi. Yes, Elaine Stokes. I'm surprised she didn't speak a word of English when I knew her when she was young. She's been holding on to that for a little while. Okay, sorry.

She's still with us. It's crazy, small world. 30 years. My strategy would have been to poop on the contract, just being totally transparent and honest here. But to bring it back, what would be the perfect contact what conditions what terms do you guys i want to address i want to i would offer someone else i want to address uh what you were saying about you know would i prove them wrong if i could i suppose what happened differently for us it was that vitriolic if it was that vitriolic yeah

i didn't granted they didn't really wire out of themselves and they said it was that vitriolic. Yeah. I didn't, granted, Daily Wire outed themselves and they said it was because people assumed it was them. After I had a conversation, my determination, a conversation with Daily Wire, my determination was they do business in a way that I don't agree with, but I like that they're doing things that have a cultural impact and the positive. Thus, I'm going to build my thing the way I think it's supposed to be. Right. Let them make the things they make with the people who agree with being a part of that. And hopefully, even if they're not 100% in the right direction, if it's 1% producing cultural net positive,

I'll just have to be the force that pushes it. But what if it's 80% net negative? That's your view, right? I don't know. Well, again, the investors in our case, right? There are no other investors, right? I don't know. 100% of my company, we've entered into licensing agreements where people have temporary ability to monetize the subscribers and the content they're in, right?

We still have all the content. When we left the blaze, we still have that because there was a period of time. The issue there is what we're talking about is penalizing people on behalf of big tech. Was that your impression? Because that's not the impression that's given. And you know what? there are a lot of things that you can get and i really want this to be done just pledge that we won't penalize people on behalf of big tech we can talk about it hey there are ways to do it with with rumble i know you've talked about a decentralized solution to people subscribing right and i think there's good with that there are also issues because people

have so many different places where they have to pay right now and they kind of want to get one portal hopefully there's a way to figure that out Here's what you do as far as a contract. If it's someone who's coming in this entire production house, I've been having contracts negotiated. You know, you said you were in SAG 2000. So I was in since I was 12 years old and had agents negotiating contracts and term sheets. I know what a term sheet looks like. Every time we do a live show, by the way, I'll be in Louisville, Kentucky, February

10th. I think we're adding a show on Thursday. You can go buy tickets on the website. Every time I do a live show, there's a term sheet. And the term sheet is, this is what happens with live shows. There's a minimum guarantee. And the minimum guarantee is no matter five people show up, if it's your dad and your Aunt Tilly, we pay this,

and there's a percentage of the gate. And if you want more, if you're willing to bet on yourself, you say lower that guarantee and take a higher portion of the gate. I go in and say, don't give me a guarantee guarantee and I'll just take the gate. And they sell their drinks, right? They end up making more money. We're giving them less risk. What you do is, Luke, to answer your question, you can present it if it's a production company where you want them to incur all of the risk, all of the costs. Can you do a rev split where there's upside for both sides? Or some people want security, right? We have 1099s who work at the

company. We have employees. Some people want security. And so they become salaried and they get health insurance. They get a 401k. You can provide two options. You can do a rev split, or you can do an employee agreement for people who want to do that. In this case, they want to do employee type constraints. And again, none of this matters as far as I can't be clear enough. I said, take me off the table here the issue is entirely the enforcement of punitive practices through mandate at the most powerful company but you can do it those ways and there are there are a million ways to skin a cat you can make that work and that's the way that it's done we both know in the liberal cesspool that is hollywood where everyone

is out trying to screw somebody they still know that you can't do that. They still know that that's not enforceable. Well, the decision to remain monetized rests with the creator and always stays there. It's not a part of the model because to your 51%, yes, that's fine unless we fast forward five years. Five years from now, Daily Wire is undisputed number one, five million subscribers, and big tech turns the switch. Would it be better to course correct a little bit now with a little bit of pain, or would it be better to wait until it's too late with a little bit of pain or would it be better

to wait until it's too late? It's better to do it now because Microsoft could buy Daily Wire tomorrow. It's very dangerous to consolidate. That's a really good point. Or BlackRock.

BlackRock could buy Rumble tomorrow. Rumble is not safe. It's a private company that's all centralized. It's very dangerous. Well, that's because they're a public company.

And here's the one thing that I like about, because look, Rumble tweeted out like, hey, we offer these non-restrictive contracts. I think it was, was it France? Yeah. Rumble's a public company. Think of's the one thing that I like about, because look, Rumble tweeted out like, hey, we offer these non-restrictive contracts. I think it was, was it France? Right, Rumble's a public company.

Think of the balls it takes where I think it was the government of France that you have to start changing content. And they said, right? When you're a public company and you tell an entire government, fine. Ban us. That's the kind of balls that people are,

and these people, and by the way, the guy who runs, is a Canadian, the CEO. He's not even, I don't think he's super conservative. He just sees the writing on the wall. Why do those people get it? Why? Because he's been under the, I would say, tyranny now when you see someone like Trudeau. Just because he does blackface and he can't throw a jab doesn't mean that he's not a tyrant.

People have lived under that tyranny. They go, we can't let that happen here. So Rumble gets it. They tell France to go fornicate themselves with a wire brush. But the people who take money from hard-earned conservative Americans who are wondering how they can fight back, how they can have a voice, don't see it. Do they not see it? Or is it the business model, right? You can't have that. That's what I'm wondering.

Did you feel like your buddy, and what I mean your buddy, like you and Jeremy are friends or whatever, but that he lowballed you? He knows your value and he lowballed you. And you're like, dude, if you're going to do that to me, I'm going scorched earth. I'll do everything legal in my... It wasn't the low-ball. It wasn't the low-ball. It was the, hey, look, prompt. Look, let's just sit down and talk about how you can do this without mandating through

punitive practices against, not some, according to him and his video, all conservative content creators. Let's find a different way because there's no future in this. There's a lot of, there's a lot there that's permissible, right? In business money. I get it. Yeah. Low ball. Sure. Um, and, and, and you know that everyone knows that. Um, but what's really hard to deal with is there was a period, like I talked about with Gerald note where I was super depressed, um, felt kind of hopeless because this has been a long time in the making. And you knock on one door and you have people you think are on your side. You know, it's no way. This is

how it works. And then you, because you don't see behind, you know, the curtain, you hear that we're fighting back against big tech. And you see this often, you go, oh, there's no future here. And the response to this is not right has always been money, money, money, money. I can't stress it enough. It's not about the money. So what is the future in your mind then? What needs to be done?

What first needs to be done is people to mean what they say. And if you are taking money from conservatives out there, under the guise that you are fighting big tech, start fucking fighting big tech. Start with that, okay? I don't know about the rest.

And I know that when I say this, by the way, they're going to send, there are going to be four or five hatchet men coming from the daily. I understand that, by the way. Have you seen anyone else in these videos? This is the first time Gerald's been here because I'm like, look,

you handle the finances more than I do. It's me. It's two on one. It's three on one. It's four on one. And gee golly, we thought we were friends. And you know what? I'm not going to call anyone a bitch.

I still, I mean what I said. Andrew Klavan's one of my all-time favorite people. I think Jordan Peterson is unbelievable. I'd go to the wall for that guy. I think Ben Shapiro's brilliant. Never met Candace Owens. Michael Knowles, my experience with him, I don't know him as well. I really like him.

I like a lot of these people. Good singer. Is he a good singer? He played guitar, too. Well, he has that voice. I mean, Andrew Klavan, he told me he had that voice since he was like six. He was like, well, teach your own parent, teach your appreciation. They'll give you an apple.

This is how you talk. And it's genuine. It's genuine. Here's the thing. Keep doing it if that's what they want. At a certain point, my talents will run out. So send four, send five. At a certain point, don't send anyone you expect back in one piece.

But what will you make? You talked in the beginning. You were saying something about it's hard for everyone to just pay all across the board randomly to different people like if you want to support a creator you're on one website you're on another website yes yeah yeah so so how would you it's a subscription fatigue right you have the same with like netflix and hulu so can i answer your question with a question to um to crash test dummies here? That doesn't offend you right now. He does look like one.

I'm not going to do that. The world boils and black. There you go. I love that there's national treasures. What's your question for him? My question for him is because he said this might be a solution. You have this idea or you're creating an actual product. I don't know all of it.

You have a decentralized way to subscribe to people also, people who get to keep their subscribers. By the way, this isn't Daily Wire. It is industry standard in the conservative sphere. You don't get to know how many subscribers you have. You don't get to take them with you, which only hurts people who are paying if you end up not being with the network. That's industry standard, not Daily Wire. Again, Stop Big Con was not just about Daily Wire. You don't even know.

You don't even get to reach them. That is the standard, not just about Daily Wire. You don't even know. You don't even get to reach them. That is the standard, not just there. And you mentioned something before the show, and I'm a little ignorant as to what it is. Forgive me. You said it's like this decentralized ability for people to, sort of an anti-Patreon is what I think you said. Yeah, it is just basically doing what Patreon does,

but without a Patreon middleman. So it would be a software packet that you download, install on your computer, and then you can start uploading videos through the software packet to Rumble as a server or YouTube as a server okay unlisted the videos and then people would go to your website where you have a front end hosted with this packet and they can subscribe 10 bucks a month then they can see on your website the unlisted videos from the other sites it's pretty rudimentary it's what tim's using a system like that he's not using the

tech that doesn't sound rudimentary at all that was like Chip Douglas with a remote control like here's basic cable stuff it's incredibly complicated to pull off the idea right now is that you're an independent creator

you go to Patreon you go to Locals you go to someone else's company you sign up there's the infrastructure you give them 10% I've done the math 10% is steep

but they're trying to run a business have employees so I get it sure so what we were talking about a long time ago make the software you get your own server space your cost you get your own domain your cost you install that software for free open source and boom instantly your website is a a clone of a subscription service website with an easy to use back end for you that networks with anyone else who uses it. You can also blacklist certain sites from your site if you're like, I don't want my site to recommend this show.

Skittlesandrainbows.com. Exactly. Very nasty stuff right there. Or it's just you let the algorithm recommend whatever they recommend, like similar words and phrases. So what this does is, if I go to your website

and you want to be included in the network people will see and this could be bad for business some people might want to do it they will see like recommended tim timcast irl episode with steven crowder and be like oh i'd like to watch that show too creating uh it's it's so youtube's one of the powerful things about youtube is that it recommends shows after shows yeah and that recommendation every single time i watch one of my shows, it's Seth Meyers. Oh, wow. We did Lex Friedman. This is my point.

That's way better than Seth Meyers. Lex Friedman's good. This is the point. It used to be legitimate. It used to be that if you watched Crowder, you get recommended similar shows or more Crowder. Now they're driving everyone away. Right.

And so they're taking away the natural networking marketing value. Yeah. So our idea was create it decentralized no one gets a cut of your money that's your business you gotta spend money on your bandwidth that's your business but it's free open source

and it rips away from the centralization and creates so I really like that now here's the one thing too that Gerald kind of knows is what's always been true north to me is the viewer right as a person watching,

is how do they get the most value for their money? And there are so many places to subscribe right now. It's too fragmented. Yes, but I also understand the danger of a centralized power. But if there would be a way for, kind of like you were talking about with Maker, for there to be an alliance where maybe there's some kind of a price break or discount

if you get to subscribe to these other creators, right? So that you don't have to do $6 on a Patreon here or $5 on locals here. And by the way, nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying people feel like there's this payment fatigue, this subscription fatigue. If we want to fight the left, right? Think about just what they call the stream with Batista. He's in this canoe. Talking about Disney, ESPN, and what is it?

Disney and Hulu, right? That's a value added. And I think this is what was so disheartening is I was really hoping that we could do that in the conservative movement where people can kind of get access to a portal and support the people that they want to. I don't know that it's possible. But if there would be somebody for the view, because for the viewer, what's ideal is to be able to get access to more people that they want rather than having it because the

price adds up. Right now, what's ideal is to be able to get access to more people that they want rather than having it because the price adds up. Right now, it's like $10 for Tim, $10 for you. With this tech that I'm building, we haven't had the multi-subscription system set up. But you could do something where it's like $10 for him, $10 for you, or $18 for both of you. Then you each get $9. You'll eventually have to take some sort of lost discount if you're going to run a packet. Otherwise, it would just be 20 for two. It's hard to figure out that number.

You get critical mass. Yeah, it is. It's tough to figure it out. But there are ways to do it. Obviously, people on the left have done it to some degree. The worst thing that I will say, the thing that really is YouTube. Is it YouTube Red or YouTube Premium? What are they calling it?

I tell you what, though. You know what sucks about it? That's actually a really good deal. You get YouTube Music, which replaces Spotify. You get YouTube music which replaces Spotify. You get YouTube TV which replaces cable and sling and you get HBO Max. You're like,

But they're subsidized. Yes. Yes. They are subsidized but guess what? So are these companies on the right. But they're subsidizing it

in a way that is not foundationally sound for a move forward. Let me tell you something that really I feel like this should require hallucinogens

going forward. Man, I'm so happy to if you're interested. Something He's gay. Let me tell you something that really, I feel like this should require hallucinogens going forward. Like man, I'm so happy to, if you're interested, we'll, something, he's game. Let me,

let me, let me tell you guys something that, that is kind of crazy to me. And people don't believe there are no investors in Tim cast. There are only, there's only me as the principal of the entire company, sole owner, sole board member,

president, CEO, treasurer, chairman, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Their staff, you know, I have a COO,

we've got people who work here, but I own literally all of it, control all of it, with no outside investment. It's literally just I started making... And you're not even Jewish. Yeah, I'm... I'm just saying as a joke to the anti-Semites in there. By the way, we're not talking about... No one we're talking about is even Jewish.

That's a point I make all the time. There are people who have been successful in media who aren't. I don't know why they have that conspiracy belief. But it was shocking for me to find out that these big alternatives only exist because some powerful industrialist or billionaire decided, I'm going to spend money, but that money comes with their influence. Now, the only issue I have with that is that we don't know what their influence is. And you owe. Right. If you come to timcast.com, you know the whole influence and driving force behind this is

literally just me. If you're a customer here as a member or whatever, you're supporting us. It is literally me in charge of everything. But a lot of these other companies, you don't know who's behind the scenes putting money in and saying, hey guys, I want to see this. I understand how businesses work. I understand how businesses work. I understand how investment works. But you won't know. And if you knew, it's ball retractingly terrifying. I mean that.

There's some information, again, that you're not going to reopen third place. It's probably going to be coming out in the next six months, year, that will shock people, startle people. I could tell you that, but would I have to provide receipts and would that be a betrayal? That's the issue, right? I've given you a lot of information that you can publicly audit,

and I think that's important. I'm not going to pull people in. Like I said, Gary said you can use it. I can't show you the three, four, five other instances just in the last two years where that's happened. It is absolutely terrifying. But what was the crazy idea you were saying? I thought you just came up with a business plan or something it's no no no oh it's

it's just i was saying it's crazy to me that's not so crazy it's totally reasonable i guess that's why i'm throwing no no no what's what's crazy to me is that we've gotten to the point we have without that when it seemed when seemingly no one else does it's really but here's what i want to say steven really i'm looking i'm looking i don't think it's really to have the website rolling with subs oh no there's some. There's like two people. This is hard, man. One thing I should say, we've had a lot of offers too from people who run these sort of credit card processing, these platforms, right? Yeah.

Offering to give us better rates as well. So there are a lot of people who've come forward. Like I said, it's not about daily water. Daily water wasn't even the highest offer, just to be clear. Here's what I want to say. Yeah. I'm going to say this right in front of every single person. I think you're going to make $100 million a year.

Yeah, I think you're absolutely insane. I think I'm right. But I would never demand that. Just to be clear. Do you see what bar you're setting for me? Did I tell you my new job? Yes, for crying out loud. You're trying to give him a heart attack.

I've seen your numbers. I know. Look, we've got 175,000 people watching on a show that normally gets 40 to 45,000. 130,000 live viewers tripling, quadrupling, quadrupling the live viewership we get because you came to talk about something that is important to you. You have people who are not only fans of your content who are entertained by it but also believe in you. Looking at your mug club numbers, I think you launched this thing. Maybe not. Look, it's going to snowball rolling downhill.

I think you launch this thing, and you're making $3 million to $5 million per month right off the get-go. By the way, you mean the whole production company. Whole production company. You personally. Your staff, your employees, and your budgets. I'm going to fork in the road. You're going to need a lot of money for bandwidth. You're going to get a lot of people to sign up.

I could walk away. And I understand – this isn't a loss on me. The only way people will 100% believe what I say and that there's no ulterior motive, which is what I try to do in the negotiations, like take me off the table. This is why this is a sticking point, is if I walk away from this forever, is if I never monetize again and I just go back off into the sunset, just do stand-up, maybe do a once-a-week show, something something like that so I can continue selling out the the venues and I could do that and Gerald knows that I strongly consider that at one point and I think he was the one if I'm not mistaken

he said like yeah but then if you do that then this will just all blow over in two months and it'll be the same problem so I do I get I get the question of authenticity again but I would ask you if this is the easy decision if this is the easy route to make, route to take, could have just taken the money, shut up, could have gone off, and I don't think it's 100 million. I think you're absolutely insane.

No, I'm not. I think he slipped you. Nope, nope, nope. No, look, we know about the Daily Wire's subscriber numbers. They have, what, a million paying subscribers? It's between $7 and $13 per month to be a member there. They've talked about their yearly revenues. Wait, it's $13 a month? For their video content, I believe it's $13 a month. They run member there. They've talked about their yearly revenues. Wait, it's $13 a month?

For their video content, I believe it's $13 a month. They run some promos and stuff like that, but yeah. You have different tiers. Right, and it's like, you know, look, I think... Luke wants to talk about the IRS. He's going to be a teacher. The IRS, yes. And the Epstein-Maxwell scandal.

I'm saying, for one, the easy route for you would have absolutely been sign the deal, take the money and shut up, let everyone else worry about all the problems and go sit on the beach with a coconut and just do the bare minimum. But I think if you go the hard way, which running a company,

especially with I think the size of memberships you're going to have, is going to be very difficult and time consuming. But just make Gerald do all the hard things. Well, here's the thing. Sorry, honey, I won't be home. If we continue down this route, then there's got to be other people, right? We have to have other shows on there. I could have, again, just gone off and done it and just kept Mug Club.

But Gerald, I said, like, look, either I'm going to leave at this point or we can't just complain and bitch. We have to do it better. And that's kind of where we are. And by the way, we still haven't decided what it is that we're going. It's a tough decision to make. I own of mug club always have uh we did the mug club so we now know how many people are out there you know we were really clear like do not go to mug club forever unless you are currently in my club we're gonna send out probably double capture double opt-in called the list so we know we're like don't go and is it a newsletter no are you

gonna spam nothing any updates only when and where and if Mug Club returns. And this is a little bit of the young Frankenstein. Ovaltine? Nothing. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Do you think that when you, you are going to launch something independent. It's going to be Mug Club, but then you're going to add on shows.

Do you think you'll be bigger than the Daily Wire? I don't care. no real question based on your memberships uh based on the amount of views you get do you think you will be bigger than i'm not saying this as it would it would if if i if i decided that i uh let me answer it this way i've wanted to be done with this by the time i'm 40 as far as hosting the show on air the last thing you want to do is overstay your welcome and then move to a, you know, I wouldn't say like necessarily like a Harvey Weinstein or like a Bruckheimer, but more like a Suge Knight, you know? How old are you now?

35. Okay. So, and I want to be able to pass that torch. When's your birthday? July. July. Okay. Yeah. So I want to be able to pass that torch. Right now there is no ability to, because you now realize there's no ability for people to come up and do,

but it would be really hard for you to do what you do now today you know that right yeah and harder and harder and it'd be harder it'd be impossible for someone to do what i do i don't want to pull the ladder up behind me so i want to be able to move into a production role but really what motivates me is being able to pass that mantle and make a difference i guarantee you if we were to do it it'd be within striking distance of the big boys um which i'd be fine with but as long as we do something that we believe in and i i promise we will never demand people's youtube monetization we will never punish them if they are not uh and it has to be something fair it has to be us not shortchanging the investor meaning the people mug club it's entirely independent

paying us for to fight for what they believe. Whatever those numbers are, I'd accept them. I'll tell you my prediction, which, who knows, could be worthless. Nostradamus hit me. You launch subscription service, independent Mug Club. You get 300,000 hard signups at

10 or more per month. I mean, it was 10 bucks a month for a lot of people. It's going up because of inflation, because people need raises and things like that. But let's say you did 10 bucks per month. I mean, it was 10 bucks a month for a lot of people. It's going up because of inflation, because people need raises and things like that. But let's say you did 10 bucks a month. You're looking at like 3 million in memberships with no ad reads at all. Let's say you do programmatic reads

on the podcast version, meaning you, Steven, never read a single ad. Then you're looking at another, based on your traffic, I'd estimate another two to $5 million per year, not per month. So right off the bat, you're looking at $40 million per year. Then here's what happens. Steven Crowder then

offers big players really good contracts. No BS, no fees, none of that. Out the gate, it's a legitimately good contract that gives your business a small cut, but gives them the lion's share for the work they produce. They're going to say, oh, I'm signing with Mug Club. The terms were incredible. I mean, Crowder's going to make money off the deal. The company's going to grow.

With the draft, with the hats. That's right. I'm getting a lot of money. Then what's going to happen is it's going to make it very difficult for the big con, these other big conservative companies to sign these deals. When a young creator says, I appreciate the offer, it's tempting, but Crowder's offering me twice the money with no setbacks. Yeah. I would really, really like it. Genuinely. And Gerald knows this. If there's someone else in the space who handles that shit, because I'm not a business guy. I'm not a business guy. I'm a guy who out-punted his coverage, right? You can go back and watch with a blue bed sheet who is doing standup comedy and acting and then had kind of had my back up against the wall.

I would really like it if there was someone else who already has the money, who already has that ability to do it. If they can't, okay, I'll carry that torch. But, well, I don't know. Maybe there's someone out there. Are there enough good men and enough people left? Because that's not the best use of my time. It takes a lot of time to do a Good Will Hunting.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to make Schindler's List funny when you're doing a parody? You know what I mean, it takes a lot of time to do a Good Will Hunting. Do you have any idea how hard it is to make Schindler's List funny when you're doing a parody? You know what I mean? Like, it's a lot of work. That's where my time is better spent. And that's where the time,

by the way, of all the creators is best spent. But instead, they're being forced to make this decision. You know you're a creative type. You want to deal with numbers

and back end and business? It's exhausting. Yeah, I have to do it. I know. I don't want to do it. I have to. So I'm building this technology. But like, boring.

That's what Jeremy Boring is. And why do you have to do it? I know. I don't want to do it. I have to. So I'm building this technology. But like boring. That's what Jeremy Boring is. And why do you have to do it? Why? Because we need a new subscription service for creators. It shouldn't fall upon you, though. I have two questions. Who else is going to do it? Yeah, let's do it.

Exactly. Exactly. If not you, if not me, if not now, when? That's the sentiment. And shout out to Philip Fisher, the guy building this stuff. Pure genius. I'll introduce you to him soon. And I will say to everybody listening, it's you this stuff. Pure genius. I'll introduce you to him soon. And I will say

to everybody listening, it's you. It will only ever be you. When you see a burning building, you think who's going to call this in? No, no, no. No one's going to call it in. It's going to be you. I once watched, when I was 16 years old, I saw an old lady

at a bus stop flip over, land on her back and I paused and said, I have no idea what to do. What flip over land on her back and I paused and said I have no idea what to do what is happening I look around and I'm like I got to figure this one out and I ran full speed to a building and just screamed call 911 a lady's hurt there's nobody else you can't you can't sit back and just cross your fingers and hope someone else will take care of the problem right yeah you got to be the hero of your own story I just wanted to ask I just wanted to ask two quick questions for you guys. One, would you guys be open to doing competitions or contests

for new talent? And a lot of people are asking about Not Gay Jared in the comment section. Can you guys clear up what's happening in that situation? Some people are saying that there's an NDA. Yeah, well that's the thing I think Candace brought up, right? Again, there's a difference between roping in third parties versus single party consent.

I think he tweeted out what happened. He left, right? Not gay Jared. He tweeted out that he left. It was his own decision. We did a whole send-off with him in a video montage. You know, this works with conspiracies. And sometimes, look, there's also a middle ground where there's, for example,

what is the email, by the way, if people are talking about shows? I think it's creators at ladder.com. Yeah, creators at ladder.com. So that's actually not a bad idea, a contest. But the reason I didn't want to do it is because I didn't want to think that's like, hey, this is why we're doing this right now. But we do have a place where people can reach out. The challenge is like there's completely controlling contracts, right,

that own your name, image, likeness, and your platforms that you already built in perpetuity. Okay? That's an extreme example. That's big con. Then you have people who are like, hey, I have no experience. I've never done a show. But I really think I could do it well if you give me money. That's a situation where you'd be incurring all the risk. There is a

middle ground. And I think what needs to happen is if we do, I'm not going to be in the business of just creating shows from the ground up, but there are people out there who say, hey, look, I have a channel that's doing relatively well. I keep hitting the ceiling that is YouTube saying we need you to play this kind of ball. I'm suffering from the advertising rates, the sponsorship rates dropping across the board. And I can just be, you know, the gasoline on that fire to back them up. Why would you sign with a network if they don't have your back? That's the only reason to. Otherwise, be independent, right?

What is the upside at that point? That's all we want to be. And whatever subscribers you generate, you keep. That's the only way I would be able to do it. It's really publicity. These big networks get their faces seen. But if you can do it without that... So people are still asking, is there an NDA? That's what people are asking.

There are NDAs to everyone just like here, right? To sign a waiver when I come in. If you come into our studio... I mean, standard business practice. You can't come in and tell people where the studio is, too. You guys have had that. If only for location, it's standard business practice. Yeah, you can't come in and tell people where the studio is, too. I mean, you guys have had that. Yeah, of course. If only for location, it would be worth it.

Also because he walks around without pants half the time. We have NDAs because we work on projects. And it's really, really complicated. One of the simplest reasons is we don't want you leaking information about us. Location is a good and obvious thing. But also, projects we're working on cost a lot of money to do preliminary research if someone then says goes to a competitor or any other media company says here's what you know tim cast is working on all their stuff it just completely destroys the entire attempt at

making a project things like that of course and you have people stealing you know creative content right i mean that happens anyway that this is the most common thing that happens right the big boys they go oh that really works. Hey, let's do exactly that. Put $25 million behind it just to promote it. Now it's ours. I was thinking about these. Let me mention perpetuity clauses really quick

before we go to Super Chats because you brought them up a couple times. Yeah, yeah. Dog nasty and need to be removed immediately from modern entertainment contracts because deep fakes, they're going to be able to take someone's perpetuity face, deep fake it to make it look real

and have it say stuff that the person doesn't agree with. By the time I'm dead and you're going to my mausoleum, I'm going to be hawking black rifle fucking coffee. Lord prevent it.

Let's go to Super Chats. We're going to read Super Chats from you guys. A lot of questions for Crowder and stuff like that. And then at some point I'm going to have to go to the restroom.

You can go. I'm going to go, too. I've got to pee. All right. Let Luke go. You can't go together. You can't cross streams. There's multiple bathrooms here.

Don't worry. There's one behind you. I'm going to go out the door. It's fantastic. But, I mean, look. If you guys want to go together, I have no issue with that. No, I know. You're more aggressive.

You're promoted by YouTube now. All right. Let's read. Let's read. Let's read. Let's read. All right. All right. We can co-opt's read. Let's read. Let's read. All right. All right.

We can co-opt the rainbow from God after Noah. Smash the like button. Become a member at TimCast.com. We're going to record the uncensored portion once we wrap up the live portion, which I can only imagine will be a lot crazier, but we're going to read some of these super chats. We have from Bren Ben. Remember, guys, everyone agrees that you need a shotgun. Even Biden is pro-firing two blasts outside the house

please the love of god do not fire a shotgun into the air like highly illegal illegal yeah seriously yeah i can't believe he biden incited violence he he he incited people to commit crimes yeah you just what you could shoot it into the ground don't do that either but that's the better of the two options he thinks it's like elmer fudd runner like he's under like by the way just it's the silliest in it in that that shell I mean sorry that shell that whatever it is whether it's buckshot or whether it's a slug

has to come down at some point Aurora Isabella says Steven is so hot well she's she's nearsighted or whichever part would make it weird

I mean I'm sitting next here to Gerald by the way it's a little scary like how giants it's a land of Gerald and then you saw Kevin there

downstairs my friend he's just like he's the really we have a lot of big people we just went to a Japanese restaurant here nearby like a Japanese steakhouse yeah

and all the reviews were like the food is great the service is terrible we couldn't all fit in a booth it was difficult you're at that point where everything's like you have to be custom

this has been my whole life I know I'm kind of used to it it all fitted when I shook your hand and met you you stood up as you were doing it

oh yeah stay in character. All right. Here's a, Kristen Baker says, will Crowder's company pay his creators guaranteed big money regardless of the revenues they bring in while they let their freak flag fly? Time out. I don't agree with the premise. Nobody said it was regardless of revenues you bring in.

It just said it could not be tied to big tech monetization and being on these platforms. If you're bringing in five subscribers versus 500 000 that's a much different thing yeah and sponsors versus no sponsors that's a much different thing nobody said that they couldn't make money and nobody said steven had to be given a guaranteed production contract no matter what money he brought in they were completely and conveniently leaving that off of the table and saying this is a lot of money and if you lose anything, that's not going to happen. Do a rev split with upside. Again, this is what happens in the entertainment industry.

Every time, whether it's a band at a venue, right? You do a minimum guarantee, which is going to be lower, which mitigates your risk, or you get the gate, you do a rev split with upside. You see any upside there? Is there any portion there that says, by the way, if you actually do have the 300, which is well over 300,000 people who said we're going to be in Mug Club.

If you actually do hit that, you, okay, get to share in this. Is there any upside there? They offer only negatives. It's 100% ownership. And by the way, they're the only ones who demanded 100% of merch revenue. That's not even standard. So 100% of merch, hey, you can do the math right now. You just saw the sponsors.

Sorry, you just saw the live numbers. That's what sponsors know about. How much can you guess can be generated from a single sponsor? With the kind of numbers, you know, if you're doing 1.7, 1.9 million streams per show for 35 minutes. What's the standard rate? The point is it's a lot. You don't have to ask. But the point is 100 sponsors 100 subscribers 100 merch revenue zero upside but 110 penalty that's very different the premium brands charge like a 40

cpm yeah yeah and that's and then what we found out 10 years ago was their view numbers were inflated because they were buying the rights to garbage network traffic views that don't matter and claiming it was a premium view so So you know what I'm talking about. And you know it's a problem in our industry, right? And you know that then sponsors get turned and burned. I think it's fraud. Yeah. And you know that it happens, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was a big problem. Sponsors were like, the return isn't there. And they're wondering why they start laying all these people off from these digital media companies. It's like, look, man, if the sponsor thinks they're buying gold standard view but for every one for every 10 views one is gold standard and nine is like clickbait garbage right they're they're wasting money and i think it's right but there needs to be some conservatives who are

focusing on quality over quantity right you want one punch knockout power you don't want to all some people can be volume punchers some people can be power writers you need to be able to allow for both that's all we got a very we got a very important one. I got to read more. Sure, go for it. Northern Liberty Group says, can Stephen just say one good thing about Canada? I'll take Alberta or anything.

There are real conservatives and patriots up here and we did have a rebellion against the Brits. It just failed. That's a big ask. That's a lot. Now it is,

but I will say this. A lot of people don't know, bagels came through Montreal first. Really? Bagels? Where'd they come from? Where from? Well, yeah, obviously I'm not not saying it's original but i'm saying i came through montreal as opposed to new york if not for montreal there would be no bagels in north america well

that would be better that's our french connection yeah no i will say this best restaurants best restaurants in the world in montreal probably uh pound for pound and there are a lot of great canadians we could probably get an uncensored version will be boring here but if you look at the quebec separatism a lot of that is very We could probably get an uncensored version. It'll be boring here. But if you look at the Quebec separatism, a lot of that is very similar to the taxation without representation and a rugged sort of individualistic spirit. But then they also wanted to have the language police. You know about that? La Ligue des Langues, where literally...

The Spaghetti Gate. You know Spaghetti Gate? Is this about a restaurant or a diner? Yeah, it was an Italian restaurant. And spaghetti was spaghetti. And the language police said, why isn't it in French? That's not French. It's Carles. They're like, it's Italian. Like, we don't care. Spell it Spaghetti with an E. Yes.

They said, put spaghetti. They're like, but there's no French for it. And they were like, doesn't matter. You have to have it in French. It was a language police. By the way, also a lot of French Canadians, horribly racist. Have you seen the skit,

the language police skit that went viral? It's two guys are in like an alley and they're like talking and the cops walk up and they're like, hey, what are you doing? And they're like, what? And they're like, and the cops walk up and they're like hey what are you doing and they're like hands against the wall they're speaking French

they're like you know against the wall or whatever I can't say it I don't expect you to be trilingual no but they put the guys up against the wall and then they're frisking him

and then he's like he pulls out a bag of weed and he goes sorry and he puts it back and then he keeps going and he goes what's this

and he pulls out an English dictionary and he goes ha ha that's not mine, I swear. That sounds about right. You know, it's funny, actually. Like, you talk about that.

Like, no, I do speak French. It was actually, I learned to read and write French first. I spoke both. They thought I was learning disabled. They thought I was an idiot up until the fourth grade because I had to do, the rule in Canada, and it comes from something they call pure land, which means pure wool,

where they want pure French European blood. They don't necessarily do it anymore and end up backfiring because a bunch of haitians and vietnamese would come in because you know they speak french and they were like ah carlis now we have all the they're but they're not european french they're they're black from haiti so they changed their laws but the issue is if you have one parent born in quebec whether they're english or not you have to go to french immersion schools so it wasn't that I was that dumb. It's that I was having to learn geography, history, math in French and was falling behind. And when they finally threw a loophole and said,

hey, if you do it as a temporary resident because your dad's American, this principal really did probably save my educational career in grade school. Fourth grade, they switched me to English. And then I made it to like a B-minus student, which means that I won't be a genius, but I won't be a mass shooter. I'm right in the middle of the pack. You never hear like, ah, he was all right. We'll try and get some more super chats. We have this one from Jeremy Higgins. Jordan Peterson's daughter made a video today talking about negotiating her father's contract with Daily Wire. She said Daily Wire only owns the content on the

site for the length of the time of the contract. And afterward it returns to Jordan. I believe that sounds incorrect. I don't know. I don't know. I do know that Jeremy said these are the terms of everyone and I do know what's in that contract and I do know they wouldn't change it. That's all I know.

Jeremy said, if we paid to produce it, we own it. That would mean that- But they don't produce it. I produce it. It's a licensing agreement, right? Oh, that's an interesting point.

All of the costs. If I were an employee, if that's a salary, sure. But if it's my product, does TriStar own? I don't know if Home Alone. I know Home Alone was Columbia and someone else. Does TriStar own Columbia's portion of that?

If they both come in as production? You know this, right? In the entertainment industry, it's very, very common for production houses to come together. Does one get to say, no, we own it? No. At that point afterwards, it switches. Maybe you have an agreement. And we, by the way, that's something that we've worked into every contract that we've done so i don't know this is a very very important

oh jeremy mentioned that everyone has different contracts okay that he does different this is very important from daniel marks in his he did say though this these terms the big tech terms right again it was this is just these are demanded of all creators he said that so so uh just very important here daniel mark says steven crowder is the chaotic good high charisma barbarian in dungeons and dragons he's got some charismatic that's nice is that wild super charisma would you chaotic good for sure is that good like robin hood oh willing to like evil laws willing to for you know forego evil laws for the betterment i like the analogy of robin because people think robin was a socialist no robin was stealing for the people who overtaxed.

Yeah, he was stealing from the government. Gave back to the people. Yes. You don't strike me as a barbarian, though. You know, it depends on what I have. Maybe a barbarian. Maybe what I have for dinner. Loud mouth, like in the front lines, like I'm going to make noise to get it done.

No, I'm kind of a reluctant warrior. We prayed a lot about this before we went down this road. It was agonizing. Just make you sick kind of decisions because, of course, you don't want to have to do this. Charismatic. Maybe you're a paladin, except that for the chaos, paladins generally are lawful.

But I don't know. I'm just talking about video games. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it all sounds about right. The moment Ian became self-aware. Let me read this one from Mason's Mama. Tim is not asking the hard questions. Crowder lacks integrity.

Name one creator Crowder launched. He has done the exact opposite. Not Gay Jared Sven. Yeah, they were on the show early on. We've had plenty of people who work on the show and then move on. That happens across the board. Again, we used to talk about this. We used to have pride in this

super, super high retention rate where no one would leave. But then we realized that like people, sometimes it doesn't, it's just not always the right fit. And people can go on and do something that they're more happy with. Again, we did a whole send off with Nakajira. We've had other people too who've been on, sometimes it's amicable. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes there's issues. But in Nakajira's case, the guy left and I wish the guy the best.

He tweeted it out. So again, this is the problem, right? This is, this is the problem with people gaslightlighting it's a tactic of the left and there's going to be four on one it's going to happen no matter what i'm calling it now just like i called what was about to happen and they're going to shift the narrative to something else and they're going to rope other people in and this is why people don't speak out it's why good people don't run for office think about the stormy daniel which by the way i have no idea with donald trump but so many people came out and so many

stories that were proven verifiably false. It's slinging mud. It's personal. It's not what you hear me do. This can all end. We all just pledge we're not going to do the enforcement of Big Ten. No one is perfect, least of all me. At 9.10, I launched a poll. At 8 o'clock, I launched

a poll. What time is it? It's like you're going to this time warp in the air. That's right. It's crazy, right? Who is right? 36 minutes ago, 62,000 votes. Crowder, 63%. Daily Wire, 17%, with 20% abstaining from the vote. How long ago was that? This was 36 minutes ago with 62,421 votes.

I abstain. Pretty big sample. I don't think anyone's right. Well, that's the thing. All different perspectives. There are genuinely a lot of people who are like, they may not like what The Daily Wire is doing, but they like that it's a cultural force

in the other direction. We need both. I do think we need these monolithic, centralized systems in accordance with decentralized content creators. Eventually, they'll start licensing work and stuff. I understand. Just don't say you're fighting big tech.

But you made a good point, Gerald, about... Not you. I'm talking about people who do it on their own. In 10 years, it could be solidified that there's no competition and then they go the other direction. Let me read this one because I have to agree. Kid Truck says,

don't give money often, but the quote, we know what's in the box killed me. Nearly choked on my coffee, a Crowder mug. Hope eventually the hostilities can settle and Latter with Crowder can show that standing on principle can be profitable.

The what's in the box was – I wrote it on the Times. Johnny Boy, you met downstairs? Yeah. There were – that was the – well, that was the hardest I'd ever seen him laugh. I want the second artist. You couldn't sign the shirt. The second artist is when – again, I'm not insulting, but when Ben was saying, like, you know, Stephen Crowder betrayed and he's a piece of shit and all this stuff. I'm like, I have to tell you about Birch Gold.

He was laughing so hard when that happened. It was the box comment, and that was the second hard – I'm like, John know, Steven Crowder betrayed and he's a piece of shit and all this stuff and like, and I have to tell you about Birch Gold. He was laughing so hard when that happened. It was the box comment and that was the second hard, I'm like, John, what are you laughing at? He's like,

they had to do live reads. During the rant. During the rant. That was the thing. It was the ranting on how bad this is. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong,

again, there's nothing wrong with people who do radio on TV. Yeah, that's right. And do, there's nothing,

but again, you know that's not, I can't do four or five commercials the way we do them each day. Right. Yeah, that's right. And do, there's another, but again, you know that's not, I can't do four or five commercials the way we do them each day. Whether it's a Good Rancher commercial, whether it's a whole film series, you know, Walther,

we've done a parody of every major horror film and it's, you know, horror films don't work when you have a Walther. We can't do that and do it five times a day

and it fell on deaf ears. I'm like, look, we just, we're just saying, hey, more people pay far, far more for one spot.

Just let us keep doing the sketches, the kind of material that people have invested in. And it's this is the model. Well, there needs to be – I'm not saying that can't be a model, though you can't enforce big tech. I'm saying that there can't only be one model for everyone because we're not all that way. And then we bitch about how the power that Hollywood has because they allow creatives the ability to be creative. And it really is. Look, there is more diverse. And I'm not just talking about diversity

as far as hitting the right demographics. I'm talking about people doing different kinds of content. We're the only ones doing what we do. And I would love to see 10 more people doing it. And I see it as a huge win that Ben was streaming on Rumble today. Huge. And if he comes over on Rumble,

and by the way, not just Rumble, but do both, and just cleans our clock, I hope there's 10 more of him and 10 more of me. You're talking about Ben Shapiro? Oh, that's great.

That was great. I'm glad to see it. And I still would love to see it. Just don't say you're fighting big tech when you're enforcing big tech by mandate. That's the second point. David Minear says, I'm happy to spend $100 to tell Crowder he's a whiny baby.

Daily Wire won this fight, wasn't even close. He spent $100? Can't change. And then you made that money? Yes. That's a win. Good for you. 75% of it or something.

$70. YouTube took 30. Good for you. Or more. It'd take a lot from the Super Chats. So that should change too with these platforms. You should be getting all the revenue. All the Super Chat revenue should be going directly to you.

You know, I read the one where they said, I'm not asking hard questions. I'm not here to ignore people who have criticisms and want their voices to be heard. I want to make sure there's a substantive conversation. And I read if people are happy or unhappy. Thomas says, Brett Cooper, the youngest employee, said she doesn't have the demonetization penalties this seems to invalidate crowder's point candace said that she recognized the clauses in her own contract and jeremy said that they are in the contract and this is the one thing they've never addressed it beyond well we have to make money but again how are you making money off of some penalizing someone for being demonetized

when they haven't been monetized for years when they come in. So it would be one thing if everyone said it. They said at the top, no, this is for everybody. Candace said, I recognize those clauses in the contract. Brett Cooper's saying it's not. If that's the case, great. But that was a sticking point here. There was no offer after that.

And it just, if someone said, hey, sure, we can change this. Great. That's not what was said. And you saw the transcript, you know, it wasn't set, you know, it was, this is how we do it. Did you guys have access to all your mug club subscribers and like the number of them and all that before you went into the talks? Did you have that data? Cause I would have based my entire contract off of that. Not how long are you going to be monetized? That was our biggest problem was that we didn't have a real good way. That's why we had to launch mug club forever is to make sure that we had

everybody who wanted to, it was in mug club or wanted to sign up for it. And we could reach out to those people. It's industry standard where they don't tell you and they don't even necessarily have to tell you your number, but it doesn't have to be, but that's why I showed, you know,

Tim, some numbers that are off the record where you can do an estimate and yeah, absolute basement baseline minimum is, yeah, $300,000. That's because Blaze had to, the contract with Blaze said they're going to keep that data and so only they knew? Is that what? Well, I can address that. Not going to address necessarily specific terms that were in that contract. Because if you sign something that says you won't talk about it, it don't.

It's not the case with the term sheet. Exactly. So I'll make the claims. It looks't talk about it it don't it's not the case with the term sheet exactly so I'll make the claims it looks like that happened I don't know well you can enter in your email at Mug Club

so we don't lose touch with you but we had a good idea based on Gerald you can I think this is the thing this is the problem

with contracts there's a big difference between an NDA and you're asking I will say this it is industry standard I don't know of any except for you know rumble tweeted that out i don't know how it works with locals where they said you you i think they said if you

generate subscribers you can take your subscribers they're yours to begin with they're never the companies uh from what i understand there uh but industry standard is it's very it's opaque by design yeah yeah i think the only the only company that can actually offer the deal that you keep your members is Rumble. Yeah. So I think Rumble's doing a bunch of deals with people. And I'm pretty sure those deals are while we have you signed, the revenue comes to us. When the term ends, the membership revenue is yours.

Yeah. It's a part of your account that you own and we've no longer licensed it. For these other companies, there's no way to effectively take a portion of your members and put them on a different website. Right. Yeah. Well, that's also what you're doing with this sort of decentralized tool that you're discussing,

right. Sort of solves that problem a little bit. Yeah. The front end part of it, like rumble. The great thing is it's a backend service where it hosts like daily. I don't think they have a host. Do they host their own data?

You guys don't know. I don't know. Yeah. So that's challenging. If you're not, if you're just a front end facility that you're just kind of making money off the personalities themselves, not the actual data. But if you control the data, then you can give it back to people. I want to try and just read as many as we can.

We the People says, I was abstained in the poll earlier, but the second half I voted now in favor of Steven Crowder fight back. Yeah, so this is interesting. When the story first broke, we did a poll. 85% Crowder is right very small percentage in favor of the Daily Wire we didn't have the abstain in it Candace Owens

comes on the show it then dropped down to like 55-60% Crowder is right 40 or so percent Daily Wire is right we did the show today obviously you guys

directed a lot of your fans to the show so there's a big swing in your favor but the second poll more dramatically swung in your favor well so did the most the biggest most powerful conservative network in the world according to how they you know their press releases daily where i would assume that

when their people come on it would be the same thing i shouldn't even here's the thing here's i shouldn't even be in the same ballpark what you guys are saying like hey how do you think like you know i'm i'm a comic i'm a bum these other when we're talking about big con they're just worse bums in other words there's such a dearth of creative content out there

that I'm even within striking distance with no seed money certainly not multi-millionaires or billionaires front-loading it it shouldn't even

be close and I can tell you now live number hey Tim let me ask you this what's the toughest number to cheat when you're talking

about like people adding people oh you can't you can't cheat. You can cheat your live viewer numbers. It's tougher, though, right? Look, when it comes to like, you could buy a YouTube video. In fact, anyone can advertise any YouTube video.

Right. You can go on Google Ads, take a video from some random little kid, pay for 100,000, 10,000 views if you want, and that kid will have no idea it happened. That would be a great gift. I mean, we should do it. No, no, no, it's a curse. No, I mean, it's a make-a-wish. Like some kid, like, you know, I mean, it's a good before they go.

But there was like one kid. No, I mean, I didn't mean like, I didn't mean the Ronald McDonald house for crying out loud. No, but yeah, you know, and we used to do that, of course, like where you could run videos just through Google AdSense, right? We've been barred for a very long time and we used to, we used to do that, of course, like where you could run videos just through Google AdSense, right? We've been barred for a very long time

from doing that. And I want to be clear, I have no problem, none whatsoever with people advertising. I think I want more conservatives to have advertising budgets because I want us to outfight the left. I have no problem with people choosing, and it's a strategy to be monetized on YouTube. I think at a certain point, when you look at the advertiser guidelines, which are very different from the content guidelines, they include you could be demonetized for controversial topics, sensitive issues. I don't even want to say it's a slippery slope. They've already covered everything under that with their umbrella. Don't have a problem with someone making that decision. I only have a problem when you tell people that you are fighting back and they are expecting it and investing.

And you're not and you're demanding that everybody else do it the same way as you do. There's only one side demanding that. We get rid of that, I'll go on a press tour for all these companies. I mean it. Get rid of the punitive mandates against conservative content creators. Period. As a matter of policy, we're done here. Forever.

That's the statement. David Casada says, I'm so good. He's just reading chats. I am. I still get stuck with payment services. I'm trying to find good questions. Like, there's always some big something that's there. Either the payment services with, I mean, we got Parallel Economy, which is like Dan

Bongino's new payment service company. It's probably better than PayPal and Stripe. I don't know if it's better than Stripe. I don't know. Yeah, you always have to be careful because sometimes you'll get pissed off. I want to better than PayPal and Stripe. I don't know if it's better than Stripe. I don't know. Yeah, you always have to be careful because sometimes you'll get pissed off. I want to have the creators of Stripe on the show. Come on, guys, and let's talk about it.

I want to read these two. David Cassata says, I'm so glad Stephen came out about this because many leaders in the church use and abuse other Christians. They try to use them as volunteers. Then they offer super low-tiered payment options. Yeah.

He used to work in a church. Yeah, he did. And by payment options yeah that's also a big yeah he did and by the way it's a big problem too if there's a huge unlike the left there's far too much influence from non-profits on the conservative side and a lot of these this is another big part a part of big con that we haven't even gotten into you have a lot of these companies and this is not i'm not saying daily daily wire again there are a lot of companies where they have a non-profit wing and we all know there's a big difference between a 501c3 and a 501c4 and the audits that have taken place because what happens is the nonprofit money you have donors go in there but then that's used in some way to help generate content where they collect the profit and yeah it does happen in churches gerald you know that too um where it's

like it's non-profit unfortunately someone is profiting at some point so we do need to uncouple we need to uncouple we need to divest from this undue influence of just nonprofits. And we need to divest from doing big tech spitting. Here's one from Two Coppers. It says, I am a Daily Wire subscriber, and I was under the impression that my money was helping to protect their message from the predation of big tech censors. As a subscriber, my trust was what was betrayed. That's an interesting point. The one thing I brought to people is, like, look, whether you agree or disagree with Crowder,

there's a question of why penalize someone for using YouTube access when the goal is to build a subscription business? Exactly. At some point. At some point, that should be the goal. Does Netflix say to their show creators, if your show gets pulled from YouTube, we're cutting your fees, despite the fact we charge 10 bucks a month for them to watch it on Netflix?

You think Netflix charges Winona Ryder if the Stranger Things premiere doesn't do well? Again, that's impermissible. It's not even legal in the entertainment industry. How can you run a business and not incur any risk? That is incumbent upon you. Where it's like, what, should we take the risk? Yes!

Yes, you're running the business. That's what being a business owner is, right? You sink or swim, you eat what you kill. Yes! Not the employee, or in the case of an actual independent production house, you don't penalize them for something that they weren't making in the first place. Yes, you do incur some risk. And in this scenario, it was a no-risk situation, personally.

Why would you build it this way, right? We've talked about this. Like you built your career on YouTube is the argument that people use. Right. Last three years, unmonetized. It's like, yes, we're trying to use – we're trying to speak the most truth to the greatest number of people possible. It's not – we can't just all have behind-the-paywall honest conversations. Right.

Because then you don't affect people at the biggest possible tech company out there. Yeah, it's kind of awesome. So do that, but don't go so far as to play by this additional set of rules that really restricts what you're able to say. And punish the creators, yeah. We have only like one other real show. It's him cast, like live show, I'm saying.

Tales from the Inverted World exists. Jane Cashman does amazing writing work, but we have Pop Culture Crisis, 3 p.m. Monday through Friday, I believe. Brett Dasevick and Mary Morgan host the show the show it is a very very similar format to this except they have money guns when you super chat money shoots in the air and then every hundred thousand super chats the sirens go off and the money sprays like crazy that's why i signed a waiver that was very lengthy it's very dangerous but um we i have no contract or policy with them about suspension or banning

if if they got pulled from youtube we'd be like i'd be like, I guess you're on Rumble. And you'd be fine with it. There's nothing wrong with choosing to be monetized. There's nothing wrong with you making that choice or any other creator out there making that choice. There's just something wrong with somebody enforcing it. I'm saying I have no policy for that. Their pay doesn't change. We are investing in the creation of this show.

And it's going to take the form that it has to take uh obviously they're better off on youtube in terms of growth but uh sure we're also we got them on apple and spotify and google and all the podcast platforms and i'd actually rather grow that market than youtube i don't care about youtube you know i agree podcast way better that's when i get excited too like when when our numbers switched from uh the vast majority on youtube you know to it's splitting and then to the point where it tipped in rumble's favor you know i come out and when they tell me that when we're doing like i get really excited you know when we do those numbers like the 300 i think it was was it 350 it was

like 350 before the servers crashed and rumble's not a perfect company i love them but we told them like strengthen the servers like yeah we got it i don't think you fully got it uh but um that was more exciting than having whatever we had half a million six hundred thousand on youtube i get that you want to hit critical mass on youtube but it is exciting to we've talked about this for years when you're at a point where you can actually be a brother in arms brother sister z in arms with people who are flipping it to the french government with people who are saying no we practice what we preach not saying only be on Rumble.

But isn't that exciting that there is at least some kind of viable alternative where you can get enough use now that you can make a living? That's a big development. And that's also proof of concept that we don't have to do business the way that people in the big con side say it's a requirement. At some point, I'm going to have to pee. I'm going to read just two more super chats. Floating eyeball. All right.

First, Game Over says, I'm canceling my TimCast subscription for the CNN talking to Biden level of softballing. Oh, come on. No, that's fine. Look, if... What hard question did we dodge? Well, I mean... What did you not ask us that people were talking about? Yeah, about this topic.

I mean, I don't know. I think I've said it over and over again that I ideologically agree with Stephen. I disagree tactically to a certain extent like the recording of the phone call yeah but you see the context

being different am I going to scold you on the show and be like how dare you Steven or am I going to be like tell me why you did it well no I understand

like you said they say betraying a friend I say they betray first off it's been taking place for years betraying the movement the people who support you and invest you

the first betrayal in this sequence of events was the term sheet the term sheet and invest you the first betrayal in this sequence of events was the term sheet the term sheet and yeah well you saw now with going after talent right create behind the scenes poaching people i can only show you one i could tell you there's a lot more but that guy said it's okay to show it hopefully that provides a little bit more i think we had a i think we had a respectful and cordial discussion i think just some people are asking if it was the agent or you that counter offered that's what people are asking if it was the agent or you that counter-offered.

That's what people are asking. So they went – from my understanding with the agent is they said, okay, here's a number, and this is 100% of everything. And my agent, who is unbelievable, he's this – again, he's left the big agencies. He's gay, he's Latino, and he's to the right of Attila the Hun. He's Cuban. He also doesn't like Puerto Ricans, but that's the whole thing you have to ask him about because he's Cuban. It's hilarious because he can get away with it um where he said well if you want 100 of everything here you go jeremy said right we started low we would have gone a lot higher this

is contract if you're talking about the money part he said if you want 100 of everything this is the number it's higher but these are the non-starters we were very clear these are the non-starters there was never anything suggested that got rid of the non-starters and that's the part where you start to lose faith and i frankly to my everlasting shame felt like oh well you know there's no hope here if this is these are the non-starters and this is in every clause everywhere we'll grab one more super chat so then steven go urinate peter piper says i agree with everything crowder is saying about the offer being bad how does he justify this is good for conservatism by creating schisms? It's like he is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Changed my mind.

I would have agreed three years ago, maybe, where this has been happening for a long time. When you sit down, they go, nope, nope. This is how it has to be. At a certain point, do I believe that the conservative movement is better off now when you know, when you see behind the curtain, that these are the kinds of terms that cannot be changed by their own words to all major content creators out there. No, I wouldn't have been able to create what I've created. You know, Tim, that you wouldn't have been able to have created what you have created

under these kinds of terms, and no one else will be able to. If it continues this way, we will continue to lose, and the public will be surprised and dumbfounded how we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Well, the last thing I'll say is I had conversations with the Daily Wire, and ultimately we decided it wasn't going to work. The difference between my approach and your approach is that I just said, look, I'm going to go build my own thing. Best of luck.

I appreciate the work you do. I wouldn't want to do business in the way you do it, but that's your business, not mine, and that's all I did. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I understand it. At a certain point, it's like you can move on and just tilt the rear view mirror away to the wreckage. And I'm not saying that that's the same case with you. I don't know what the terms are for you. But in this case, based on what you

see there, it's fundamentally immoral. And I think, again, who does it hurt? It hurts the sponsors. It hurts the investors. It hurts the viewers, and it hurts the creators. And that ultimately hurts the country and hurts the movement. If you say you're fighting big tech, fucking fight. Let's do this. I'll talk to you guys a little bit more about some of the offers that we've received and how they work and why they don't play out. I'll get a little bit more into the terms I was offered by various companies. We'll explain that in the members-only show. So go to timcast.com. If you aren't already,

click the join us button, sign up. We're going to have an uncensored members only show. I'll talk a little bit more about the inner workings, the deals, and I'll talk as much as I can about what I've been offered and why I said no. And then I'll ask Stephen how he really feels. So again,

go to timcast.com, become a member. They can go to Louisville February 10th and, you know, but it'll all be based on jokes. I'll say this have anything off my chest i'll say this follow this show you can follow the show at timcast.rl you can follow me at timcast uh again timcast.com for the uncensored show i'll post the link on youtube after the show wraps do you guys want to promote anything shout anything out before you before you go uh no i mean the thing is we're doing i will say the

owner of this guy he has owns like louisville uh oklahoma uh city i think and a bunch of comedy clubs you know because they booked six months out he actually made it possible where i was able to buy the headliner for that we can like pay his fee to be able to do this because you know this all kind of happened last minute so uh yeah lotto.com slash tour where uh you know an hour and a half every night uncensored we'll just keep adding shows doing smaller venues so we can't do the theaters until probably next quarter but it's always fun and i think the people who watch this know you better than they know me anyway louder with crowder is your show steven crowder on youtube at s crowder on twitter gerald did you want to shout any socials or g morgan jr he's very very milquetoast he's very kind oh yeah if

he gets mad it's it's a little upset yeah mildly perturbed yeah all right let go go is that your twitter account what was that was that again at g morgan jr thank you guys so much for coming and having a cordial respectful dialogue and discussion here in the beginning of this broadcast i told everyone about my new venture and website i'm the real og.com and as soon as i did my web guy told me we were ddos yeah yes don't worry you can have your taco bell and we won't know anything about it. But we were DDoSed, and the website was down in the beginning of this broadcast. It is now back up. I'mtherealog.com, and I'm going to miss you guys. This was a fun, crazy last show.

I'm going to be doing meetups, lots of fun, exciting projects. First dibs are going to be members on lukuncensored.com. Best way to get in touch with me, LukeUncensored.com. See you there. And holy cow, this was fun. I'm going to be in Florida for a while. And you guys keep up the great work. Ian, keep being you.

Real quick, I want to give a shout out to Mark Dice and just apologize because I know Mark. He super chatted a bunch. YouTube deleted the first hour of super chats because that's what they do. What? We get too many. At a certain portion,

they just start disappearing. Yeah. And then there's one thing we can do, and we can go into the back end and try and start scrolling through and pulling them back up. But it's difficult. What we need to do,

especially as we get into the new studio space, look, we don't even have a headphone dial, like volume control for the guests. It's just all done by calin or serge or whoever's at the command like control so we like we're trying to continually up and improve to get to that point one thing we're going to do is we're going to have super chats grabbed during the show so we don't miss anything especially big ones but mark uh shout out and apologies you know he i mean i i can't that's why i brought up his super

chat because i saw the super chats at the beginning and I mentioned his super chat so he got his money's worth Mark you got it I mentioned it I talked about it in some ways but again thank you guys so much for dealing with me and having me here I really appreciate it it'll sink in after you leave how sad it is that you're gone but I'm happy that you're

doing what you love you know moving on I appreciate it thank you Gerald great to see you, man. Yeah. Steven, always a pleasure. I think he's in the bathroom.

I want to point you guys, point people at mug club forever where they can forever.com. Yeah. So again, this is not an information site. This isn't like, Hey, stay up to date on what's going on.

It's if you want to join mug club or you're a member of mug club already, mug club forever.com and your email address, you will not get any emails other than one that says here's what we're doing and here's how to sign up thanks again for coming guys yeah and kellen did i miss it um missed it we're still live we're still going thanks uh again i'm kellen pdl thanks guys for having me uh gerald steven i've been watching you guys for years love what you guys do keep fighting the good fight luke and luke i'm gonna be uh i'm gonna be missing you i remember the like one of the first days i started here like hey we have to

get the stuff out of the attic luke's coming i'm like oh boy here we go and it seemed like yesterday and you're already leaving for sunny miami so time flies by when you're talking about the parks department being horrible along with the irs and the federal reserve and the fbi and all these other federal institutions going to actual came out today we might might hopefully talk about that on the after show all right uh everybody head over to timcast.com for the members only show we will see you all there