Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #708 Virginia REFUSES To Ban Child Sex Changes, Jeff Younger Joins To Discuss His Story

Episode Date: February 4, 2023

Tim, Ian, Libby Emmons, & Serge join Jeff Younger to discuss his personal story of him battling family courts in Texas in an attempt to stop his ex-wife from transitioning their 10 year old son. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. A lot of people were hoping that Glenn Youngkin was going to fix Virginia. But just because the governor is a Republican doesn't mean that they can change the legislature. And as long as there are Democrats in Virginia and a lot of influence, yeah, you're not going to get everything you want. So now we have the story. The Virginia Senate has rejected three bills that would ban sex changes for minors. And we're going to talk about that, plus a bunch of other stories pertaining to what's happening with kids in schools, with critical race theory, with gender theory, gender ideology, and things like that, because joining us today is a man who has a personal stake in this fight and personal experience. We are joined by Jeff Younger. Hey, everybody. Do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah, my name is

Jeff Younger. My son is James, and my ex-wife has been trying to transition to a girl since he was two years old, and recently the Texas Supreme Court allowed my ex-wife to move my son to California to transition him. And that's, is California a sanctuary for a gender transition? It's a sanctuary state. It's Senate Bill 107. So we are going to talk about that, plus a bunch of similar issues, because actually the Post-Millennial had a bunch, and Libby's hanging out with us today as well. Hey, what's going on, everybody? This is Libby Emmons with the Post-Millennial. Glad to be here. So before we get into it, head over to TimCast.com. Become a member to support our work directly.

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Maybe we'll play it later on the show. I saw some deep fakes of my voice going around. So a friend of mine sent me a deep fake voice generator. It is the creepiest and scariest thing I've ever seen. It took two seconds to upload a clip of Ian's voice

and we can make Ian say anything. And they will. Now here's the best part. When I tried it on me me it didn't work why not i have no idea but i'm glad it didn't really yeah it didn't work it just sounded bad it doesn't sound like me at all wow it weirdly just doesn't sound like me and i'm like okay that's a good thing maybe i got a weird voice and i talk like a weird person you're immune to the matrix well maybe there's something like most people talk a certain way so the ai takes a

person's voice and applies it to like a set of an algorithm that applies to most people and then generates it. And for me, it just didn't really work. Cool. Maybe we can listen to those later. We will. We will definitely play those. We also got Surge pressing the buttons. Yo, what's up, everybody?

How you guys doing? At Surge.com. Let's get started with your story, actually, Jeff. For those that don't know what's happening with you and your son, do you want to give us the 101? Sure. So starting about two years old, my ex-wife decided to transition my son to a girl. We were still married at the time, and I told her she couldn't do that.

She's a pediatrician, and she forced me out of my house, filed for divorce, and then began to really in earnest try to transition my son. She began to present him to the world as a girl. She changed his name without my consent, with no legal basis to do that. My son eventually, at three years old, we're still heading towards divorce, tells me that mommy says I'm a girl. So I took the first iPhone video I'd ever taken. And if you go on YouTube, you can find it. Just search for Mommy Says I'm a Girl. It went everywhere. I'm an Orthodox Christian. So it also went all over Eastern Europe and Russian television

got a hold of it. They were all perplexed. They think of the Texas as a Bible belt. How can this be happening in this religious part of the country? So then we get to trial. The psychology community turned completely against me. All of them get to trial. The psychology community turned completely against me. All of them lied at trial. So far, I've been able to prove all these psychologists have lied. So all their testimony has been thrown out. What were they lying about? Whether my son wants to be a girl or a boy. In the initial psychological investigation, they tried to cover for my wife by saying she wasn't trying to transition my son.

And on that basis that I had made a false accusation she wasn't trying to transition my son. And on that basis that I had made a false accusation that she was trying to transition him gave me less than standard possession time with my son. So then we go to another trial in 2019 after the school started transitioning my son behind my back. So I take my son to school and in boys clothes, they give him a dress, make him use the the girl's restroom and it turns out there's a loophole in all the 50 states around psychology that allows psychologists to not inform parents parents actually don't have a legal right to the medical and psychological records of their children i can explain that later so they they use that law to transition my son without my consent

i found out about it. I filed grievances with the school district. They said they did not violate my parental rights by transitioning my son without my consent. So we wound up going to a 2019 trial in this little courthouse in Dallas, Texas. And the top experts in the world on transgender science from both sides showed up in this courtroom. Only my experts testified because the depositions that I gave the experts on the other side was so devastating, they would never put them in front of a Texas jury. I'll give you an example. Johanna Olson Kennedy, who runs the largest gender clinic in the United States, I directly asked her, how do you justify cutting healthy body parts off of

children? And she said, well, if they're causing psychological distress, they're not healthy body parts. So we cut them off. I asked, how many total mastectomies have you referred out for pubescent girls? And she said over 250. So they didn't want to put that in front. How many hands and feet did they chop off of body dysmorphic? Body dysmorphic people. Yeah, exactly. Well, Joannason kennedy also said that um if people if if girls end up wanting to have their breasts back they can just get fake ones when they grow up she did so so but let's let's let's let's go back to the beginning i mean how does how does this begin how did your wife decide that your son in her mind why is she saying that your son is

actually trans well i first noticed it when she would put him into timeouts and she'd say things like, you know, don't be a boy. The monsters only eat boys and weird stuff like this. Oh, yeah. What? Yes. Oh, yes. But why is she doing it?

But she testified in court to this. This is what she's testified. I don't believe this answer, but I'm going to tell you what she swore to in front of the judge at the 2019 trial. She said, first, James asked for a girl's meal in a McDonald's Happy Meal, the girl's toy in a McDonald's Happy Meal. Second, a few days later,

he asked for a silver purse at Target that had a multicolored unicorn on it. And James is a painter. He's still a painter. And so he wanted this purse. And at that point, she thought he might be a girl. That's what she testified to. Because he liked unicorns?

I don't believe any of these answers. Boys don't like unicorns? Yeah. I mean, I used to pretend I was Wonder Woman. I would dance around in my backyard swinging the invisible whip because I wanted to be an actor because I'm creative. And my parents had freaked out and been like, maybe that means – no, you're a creator. Yes, you can pretend to be anybody, anything you want to be. Yes, you can.

Yeah. And children will conform themselves to their parents' wishes in all sorts of ways. And my son has told court-appointed psychologists, four of them, that the reason that he... Here's the other fact that's really important for you and your audience to know. My son only presents as a girl with his mom. He's never presented as a girl with me or anywhere else at church or anywhere. It's only when he's with his mom that he does this. So he's just told them straight up, mommy doesn't love me if I'm not a girl with me or anywhere else at church or anywhere. It's only when he's with his mom that he does this. So he's just told them straight up, mommy doesn't love me if I'm not a girl. He's told them that over and over again.

Told the judge that? Told the court-appointed psychologist. What happened? They all recommended that he be transitioned to a girl, all of them. Mommy doesn't love me if I'm not a girl? This is what he said? Yes. That implicates the mother.

I know. What precipitated me losing my son, all contact with my sons, last year in July, was my son just straight up told his counselor that he doesn't want to be a girl. He's getting embarrassed wearing dresses at school. She didn't even acknowledge that he said it. So he had an Apple Watch and he recorded himself. He said, I'm going to record telling you this. Your son did?

Yes. And she totally freaked out, threw him out of the office, and initiated a CPS investigation against me. And told the court that I had forced him to say that. How old is your son now? Ten. Ten. He was nine when he said that. Did you force him to say that. How old is your son now? 10. 10. He was nine when he said that. Yeah.

Did you force him to do it? No. No. He did ask me if he could record. And I said, Texas is a one party recording state, but our family's not sneaky. So if you're going to record people,

you should tell them that you're recording them. So just tell her that you're going to record her. So where is it? Where is the story currently at now? Your ex-wife took him to California? The judge allowed her to move to California. She doesn't have to tell me where my sons are. So all I know is that they're in L.A. County.

The only way for me to see my sons is to arrange for supervised visits in L.A. County. And it has to be someone that's acceptable to the court. So the judge will be able to pick who that is. No matter who I pick, they won't let me do it. She doesn't have to tell me any medical procedures that she's doing. She doesn't have to tell me where they go to school. I'm actually prohibited from even knowing those things. Wow.

Yeah. So I haven't seen him in about a year and six months now. Why both kids? So two kids, you said one's 10 and then one is- They're both 10. They're twins. Yeah. So I haven't seen them in about a year and six months now. Why both kids? So two kids, you said one's 10 and then one is... They're both 10. They're twins. Yep. And they're not identical.

And so she's saying one is and one is not trans? Yeah. And this is something that she did with her daughters. So if you want to know when I realized I was in trouble, it was during her pregnancy. We made a decision to have children. We're about two and a half years into the marriage. And I discover everything she told me about her daughters was a lie. So she had told me that her daughters were adopted. Well, her younger daughter was adopted from her brother, who's a three-time convicted felon in california had to flee the state because if he gets convicted again he'll get life who exposed this child to methamphetamine in

the womb and and knew when she was a newborn and had all these developmental problems so i didn't know that i probably would have still married and um knowing that right because it's good to adopt orphans like that i'm all for that but her other daughter was from a sperm donor and i would not have married her had i known that why not why not well it it was it would be like she wants to have kids without dad without a man without a father interesting yeah and both of the girls i didn't know this either both uh and sister is a lesbian and both of these girls had been raised only around women. I remember going out and running foot races with the girls because she basically abandoned her girls to me.

So I am the one who had to take them to school, do all their homework, everything, all the chores in the house. She worked 80 hours a week at her practice, right? And so I got these girls that I had to raise. So we go out and run foot races and stuff like that. And they just couldn't believe that I was winning. They didn't know boys can run faster than girls generally. Wow. They just had not been around any men.

And Ann thought that was actually very funny that they were learning that and didn't know that. But they were 10 years old and just discovering that for the first time. Sounds a lot like that book that we bring up periodically the one that's in front of you yeah genderqueer yeah yeah have you uh have you read that one i have not read it i haven't heard about it i bought a copy of that and read it myself yeah yeah it's a story of how this uh this uh this woman is not she says she's non-binary but it's an abuse story yeah couldn't read till she was 12 yep she had to use old crusted pads with blood flaking off and she smelled so bad because of it the counselor called her in and said you have a hygiene problem so it's

no wonder she ends up of course you know distressed well and the book ends like the the most triumphant part of the book is when she's deciding that she's going to come out to her middle school class yeah and like tell all of the her students that she that she's non-binary which is like why do we need to why does anyone need to do that why these people want to be about around children so much is odd it's odd and sort of distressing but so so so you're I

remember when the story first broke about the court case and the videos with your son and all that stuff but your son's 10 now I mean 10 year olds have a decent amount of you know lucidity. So is he resisting? Is he rejecting this? Is he complaining about it?

Well, remember, the last time I saw him was when he resisted. And they took him away from me permanently and gave me supervised visitation. I get less visitation than convicted pedophiles in Texas. You know what's crazy, too, though, is early on in the story, I remember reading in The Federalist, there was a woman who was the mom of some friends of your son who said that when he was over at her house, he wanted to wear boy clothes.

And she gave him boy clothes. Yes. And he just wanted to do rough and tumble boy things. That's his normal state. And her testimony, she was not allowed to testify to that in court. No, she wasn't. They wouldn't let her speak her piece. Why?

I don't know why they wouldn't let her do it, but they wouldn't accept her. Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of people don't understand how family courts work and what the incentives are in family courts. People think of them as an objective judge and this sort of thing. But the way that family courts are managed is they prevent you from presenting contrary evidence. That's why I've never been allowed to select a psychologist for my son. The courts will never allow me to do that. The courts pick the psychologist who will then present the evidence to the court, right?

Now, fortunately, I've been able to record them. I've been able to gather evidence and actually prove that they perjured themselves. So they've had to throw out all this evidence. But it's taken a lot of work and it's cost me a lot of money to do that. Right. And most people can't do that. So family courts basically work off of fabricated evidence. That's number one.

Number two, there's really no appeal from family courts. So family courts, unlike normal, like civil courts or criminal courts, there's almost no appellate options out of a family court. So the judges operate with no oversight and just do whatever they want. And third, and this is the big one, there are massive federal programs that were instituted in the late 1970s that pay states trillions of dollars to tear families apart. So it's so innocuous when I tell you be like, this is a great program. But like in Texas, we get 66 cents on the dollar put into the Texas Treasury for

every dollar of child support that's paid. Right? So the state is now highly incentivized to issue the maximum amount of child support. That's why they almost all divor got 50-50 prior to the 1980s. And there was the skyrocketing of divorces where one parent loses custody. And that was to maximize Title IV-D reimbursements to the states. In Texas, it's half a billion dollars to the Texas budget. If the state is profiting off of child support. Correct. And in most states, the judicial retirement fund is funded from this money. So the more child support that's issued from the family courts, the larger the judicial retirement. And it's a massive program. It's the size of the largest defense programs. So the incentives are absolutely huge. To get people to pay child support.

Correct. Even married people, to get them to break up and then have to pay each other child support. Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. So because you would think the best child support would just be 50-50 custody and let people raise their kids. The best child support is to raise your own kid. That's the best child support. But they don't do that.

Most states actually have laws prohibiting the courts from doing that. Texas has a family code in which it's assumed to be in the child's best interest that one parent get 24% of the time. And the reason 24% was chosen precisely is it maximizes Title IV-D reimbursement to the state at 24%. Okay. Wow. How does the maximization function? How does it come out at 24%? So it has to do with how the state calculates child support. So Texas has one of the worst child support systems in the state. It doesn't take into account the income of both parents, and it doesn't take into account the amount of time you spend with the child.

So there are fathers out there with 49% of the time that are paying maximal child support still. Wow. But again, that maximizes the reimbursement to the state. I have a friend of mine, him and his wife came to an agreement to do 50-50 parenting, no child support, because he watches the kids a lot while she travels for her work. And so it all worked out, and they decided it's just better to do it this way. The state of Texas sent an attorney to argue in the case that they should not be allowed

to do 50-50 custody. I read a story about some celebrity guy who had to pay massive child support. And then he and the wife both went to the court together as friends and said, hey, he's no longer working and doesn't have this money anymore. So we both agree it should be lower. And the court said no. They won't do it. Because they get a cut. They get a huge kickback. Wow. Now there's an even more evil program that's related to this Title IV-E. Title IV-E pays the states to adopt out orphans. What do you mean adopt out orphans?

So whenever CPS takes a child from someone and then adopts them into a good family, they get Title IV-E reimbursement funds. And it's a lot of money. It's like $50K per child. The state gets that money? Yes, it goes into the state budget. And where does it come from? Federal government.

Interesting. Yep. So what will happen in Texas is some satellite office of CPS will get low on budget, and they'll go and find a white baby under two years old, no medical problems from working class parents who can't afford a lawyer, and then they take the child and adopt it out,

and then they get $50,000 for their budget. That's how they do it. Wow. There's massive incentives to split up families in this country. And that's why you've had the explosion of divorce and rancor. So now you have the majority of children in America are being raised in fatherless homes. We passed 50%. Look, it sure does seem like there is a system in place, whether intentional or not, to reduce

the population. Unquestionably. This is the whole, you know, you talk about this, you call it a conspiracy test, right? But they're blatant about it. They're absolutely blatant about it. But I think the agenda is not only population reduction, but also to reduce the political power of the middle class, right? You've been to Europe.

Most of you have been to Europe. I've been to Asia a lot as well. Nobody cares about free speech there. Nobody cares about gun rights there. There's one place in the world where people care about free speech and gun rights, and that's the American middle class. They have to disempower the American middle class to get rid of these things. And so the best way to do that is to take fathers out of the homes.

Yeah, well, that's where you start breaking society down. That's right. Destroy the family unit. 100%. I mean, there's also definitely marriage disincentives. I blame Reagan. There are. No-fault divorce.

No-fault divorce. But there's also all of these, there's tax breaks for you if you're a single parent. And then if you're married, you don't get those tax breaks. That's right. Wow. And it's a lot easier

to get on to state-sponsored health insurance programs unless there's two of you. If you're married, it's harder to get on them because you automatically make a little bit more money. In Texas, you can if you're married. But if you're single, you can. You can't get on the state plan. There was something about this I learned earlier that in Texas, I believe it was you need both parents to consent to some sort of transgender surgery for a child. But then your wife or your ex-wife took the kid out of the state in order to bypass Texas state law. So at that point, you would think Texas would be like, hey, hell no, that we're going to the federal government. Come on, step in.

You can't just leave our state and then break our law against the will of one of our state citizens i would think that that would be the case yes um so um the my case has been carefully reverse engineered by leftist lawyers it's very clear to pro to prevent me from taking a federal course of action um what they did was my since my judge issued an order allowing her to move to California, it's very difficult for me to go into federal court and challenge a local judge's ruling. There's something called the domestic relations exception in family court, in federal court. A lot of people don't know this, but the federal court just has a rule.

They don't take family court cases. They just don't take them. Like I told you, there's no appeal out of family court. You're doomed. Whatever the judge says goes, and federal courts won't take them. There's a very narrow exception to that on civil rights grounds, which I might be able to pull off. What would that be? So there's a really good U.S. Supreme Court decision called Troxel.

And Troxel. And Troxel establishes 14th Amendment protections for parenting your children. And all of my judge's rulings violate Troxel. So I'd have to get into a federal court. And the big challenge in federal court is it's very easy to dismiss federal cases under Rule 12 of Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. So I'd have to really build an airtight case that would survive a dismissal challenge. I'm thinking about that right now. A violation of the 14th Amendment? That's right.

And what's interesting is in my 2019 trial that I won, I got 50-50 custody, no child support, and I got 50-50 on all the conservator rights. So she couldn't do any medical procedures without my permission. I think I remember hearing about that in the news. But then how did she end up getting to move to California? Here's how it worked. So she retained the most powerful law firm in the state of Texas, family law firm named Koons Fuller. They're also the largest donor to political campaigns. So Texas has a loophole that you can buy judges, essentially. As long as you donate to political campaigns. So Texas has a loophole that you can buy judges, essentially,

as long as you donate to political campaigns. Political activity is protected, and law firms cannot be recused from representing in a court, even if they gave them a lot of money. So they gave my current judge over $30,000. Okay, $30,000. So in a transparently corrupt recusal proceeding, they bought a judge emeritus to hear a recusal hearing. And all the judges where I won the trial, her name is the 255th District Court. All she did, she went on to Facebook on the official page of the court and said, everyone in my court got a fair trial. Which judges are allowed to say things like that. They're allowed to assure the public that they're performing their public duty. That's not recusable. But on that basis, they

recused her. And then I wind up in this other court that this law firm gave $30,000 to. And this judge then systematically stripped me of all my parental rights using temporary orders, which is not legal in Texas, but I have no really course of appeal. In Texas, you actually cannot appeal family court decisions. You can only mandamus them. You can't actually appeal them. So using these temporary rulings, she's just— Systematically. And what's interesting—

She moves to California as a temporary right? Yeah. And so they want to go to final trial now and establish that as a permanent right. That's the idea. Well, and the thing with California, too, is California has decided that they have no obligation to follow the laws of any other state. That's correct. So if by some miracle you ended up having a Texas court say that your sons should come back from California, California would refuse on the basis of their own law. They won't send them back.

They are obligated by law to give my son gender-affirming health care. They have to give it to him. And a judge can consent without either parent consenting. A judge can consent. That's Scott Wiener, State Senator Scott Wiener. Do you know if they've begun any medical procedures, chemical or- No, because I don't get any information.

So she's been there since end of December, and I have no information on my son at this point. This is a federal- We need the federal government to step in. The only issue with the federal government stepping in is you have the President of the United States who is in favor of child sex changes. Well, yeah. And the entire Health and Human Services Department and the Surgeon General. Let me pull up this article right here.

We have this article from the Postmillennial. Biden's Surgeon General warns that 13-year-olds shouldn't use social media because they are still developing their identity. Chris Elston wrote, Vivek Murthy says he believes 13 is too young for children to be on social media platforms because kids are still developing their identity. What about puberty blockers, Vivek Murthy says he believes 13 is too young for children to be on social media platforms because kids are still developing their identity.

What about puberty blockers, Vivek? So I think this shows the hypocrisy. Yes, it does. Yeah, clearly. Really fully. Just straight out hypocrisy. Yeah, so you have Vivek Murthy saying that children should not be on social media because they're still developing their identities, but he would also tell you that girls who are minors should be able to get abortions without parental consent, and also that children should be able to determine their own gender

identity. So I'm sure, Jeff, you're familiar with the story of John Money? Oh, yes, absolutely. Do you have concerns? I mean, obviously you have concerns for your children over this. Yeah. I mean, the way I put it to the jury when I was put on the stand was very simple. I said, you know, if my sons go with me, they have a chance at a normal life.

If they go with her, they have no chance at a normal life and a good chance of living a life of despair. And that's the choice. That's the Hobson's choice that we're giving all of these children, right? And they're so obsessed with puberty blockers, because the cure for gender dysphoria is called puberty. Puberty is the cure for gender dysphoria. Puberty is the process by which you come to identify with the social, psychological, and physical aspects of your sex. That's what puberty actually is. And so they desperately have to block puberty to maintain the gender dysphoria.

Over 90% of these kids, if you just don't do anything, just grow into normal adults, small proportion of them become gay in line with the normal population and then a small percentage of them continue to have problems. This feels like at least to a certain degree some of this is experimentation. Definitely. We know from the story of John Money and what he did to

Brian and David were their names? Brian and David. They both ended up killing themselves in different ways and it's a horror story now that story is particularly horrifying because uh john money was forcing them to simulate adult activities on each other yep when they were very young children yeah so for those that aren't familiar with the story i think most people are but if you're not basically you had uh twins i think they're identical twins or they were identical yeah uh and there was a botched

circumcision so john money convinced the parents you know it will raise one as a uh and there was a botched circumcision so john money convinced the parents you know it will raise one as a girl and one as a boy and then i think almost immediately it was uh was was brian or was it it was david which david david was the one who i think so yeah made to live as a girl david knew that he was actually male yes the whole time and it caused great distress so that that's that's my fear in that thinking though there is the argument made made by the left that that shows gender identity is inherent in the individual and that if a child is born male but has a female identity or wants to identify socially as a female and you don't do it you'll end up with that situation well, I have a kind of an unusual take for someone on the right. I'm

definitely on the right. And that I do think gender is in many ways socially constructed. And this always freaks people out, right? Like, well, how can you be a right-wing? I don't believe that. But the social characteristics that we have built up around the biological sexes. Correct. Correct. Yeah. And in other words, you're born male, but you have to learn to be a man. Your father teaches you how to be a man. You follow the footsteps of your forefathers, and you learn how to be a man to assume your duties and rights and responsibilities as a man in your society. And that has to be taught to you, right? That kind of thing has to be taught to you. But like everything else, the left wants to make it either or in these very strange ways.

You know, sure, there is a genetic component probably to gender identity. There's a genetic Everything else, the left wants to make it either or in these very strange ways. You know, sure, there is a genetic component probably to gender identity. There's a genetic component to all human behaviors, right? It comes up a lot in the context of being gay. People say, well, people are born gay. They're not born gay. There is a genetic component to being gay. They know exactly what the genetic contribution is because billions of dollars have been spent on it it's approximately equal to your to your food preferences and you're totally in control of what you eat so there's just because something has a genetic component doesn't mean

it's outside of your volition yeah your genetics can be altered by your environment they can be turned on and off i think this is phthalates and pcbs there was a you know i've had the conversation with a lot of uh conservatives and you're bringing up good stuff this is yeah exactly yeah we've had people on i think even james lindsey and um i've talked to a lot of these people who say there's no such thing as trans kids and i say i disagree with that i think you we've we've already seen the stories there was a there was a birth control that women were taking that resulted in their uh female babies masculine masculinizing in the womb and then invariably as they tracked and they grew up to become lesbians and they're like hey we just realized that this birth control was actually doing this to the babies in the womb yes in the

event the woman was got pregnant despite being on birth control they had masculinized female babies and so you take a look at the plastics this is why we've been using glass bottles for for all what we do have plastic bottles because some people just don't care, but I prefer to put everything in glass because you have phthalates and PCBs. And that's just a couple of the endocrine disruptors that we've got research on. So my hypothesis on this is, you know, you had Bill Maher who said, why are we seeing so many trans kids? You've got so many in California but not in Ohio. So either – what did he say either there's something wrong between the states or we're creating them or something that effect and i'm

wondering if the reason we're seeing a massive spike in this is i do think there's a social component because we've actually seen that in research but i think another component of this may be that we've expanded the use of plastics. Plastic is over everything. It is. Phthalates and PCBs in all of our food. Then you've also had these stories about birth control getting in the water supply. Can't be filtered out and the people are drinking it.

I think we are living in piles of our own filth in cities, which is making dirty water full of endocrine disruptors of any kind, and you're going to end up with people who are in the womb developing, and their brains are forming, and either through some kind of hormonal imbalance, some kind of chemical alteration through phthalates, a baby is born, and they have an inverted gender identity that doesn't match their body.

You can't discount the social contagion though i mean we're seeing we're seeing like a four thousand increase percent increase in girls who are deciding that they are actually boys we're seeing clusters of girls all transitioning together and and there are a lot of stories about people who have taken their children away from these school environments and their kids immediately detransition correct and it's also very trendy in some places where my son had been going to school in New York City. Trans was very trendy. And some of his friends were coming in like one day they were furries and the next day

they were lesbians and then they were actually trans. And then somebody else was trans because his girlfriend was trans and she was a lesbian now. And like it would be a whole, it was a whole thing. It was like a constant every day. There were like different identities going around and it was very trendy to be part of the whole identity thing it's really empowering to get people to believe you're someone you're not that's part of why i became an actor it's incredibly empowered and it's it's also they love it i love it everyone

and then you get paid for it but then these kids i think they just want that empowerment part of it too though is we're talking about puberty right right? So Jeff, you brought this up. We were talking about puberty. What is puberty? Puberty is the process by which it's development. It's the process by which a child becomes an adult. It's a coming-of-age process, right? We've taken away so many of the coming-of-age rituals.

We've killed our gods. So we don't have coming-of-age rituals in our religion anymore at this point in the United States. That's not common. We don't have a lot of confirmations anymore about mitzvahs or anything like this. So what we have for our main coming-of-age ritual in our country right now is coming out. You can come out as something. That's like the only American – It's the American coming-of-age –

It is. It's our rite of passage, right? You come out as part of your rite of passage. I thought it was getting your driver's license. No, it used to be getting your driver's license, but now that's 16, it's 18 in some places. Is it like quinceanera thing? Quinceanera, that's like a-

In Mexico, right? Yeah, in Mexico, that kind of thing. Is there a male version of that? I don't know what they do down there. Well, you do like a 16th birthday party, but it's not the same kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like this is our main rite of passage.

It used to be, I remember when I was a kid and the whole thing, like everybody wanted to lose their virginity as quickly as possible. This was like- But that's very different from like a bar mitzvah.

Yeah, it's very different. But now you can go through a rite of passage of coming out. And what are the things you get to do? You get to change your name. You get to start choosing your own clothes you get to dictate how other people are going to treat you you know you're going to treat you're going to call me by this name you're going to refer to me even when i'm not there with these very specific you know phrases it feels like a lot of rpg video games your character will start off as like training mode or whatever.

So actually this reminds me of Maple Story, which I don't know if it exists anymore. But your character starts in like levels 1 through 10. You have no specialty. And then once you get to level 10, you get to choose your class. Like what are you? What are you going to be? And it feels very much like what they're trying to do. Well, there's one thing. I think video games do play into the social contagion because a lot of boys play girl characters in FPS shooters

mainly because you just don't want to look at a guy's ass playing it when you go to third person. You want to see a girl's ass when you're playing, right? Third person. Yeah, if you switch to third person, you can play it with a girl character. It's more pleasing to you. The other thing, though, you mentioned these PCBs, we can actually objectively quantify

that. So the United States Marine Corps has grip strength data going back to the Revolutionary War. They administered grip strength tests at Tun's Tavern when they commissioned the Marine Corps. So it literally goes all the way back to the very beginning. So they have the ultimate longitudinal data set. Grip strength among men today is 30% what it was 50 years ago. Oh, no. That's rough. Not me, though. I got good grip. Hell, yeah.

And grip strength, it turns out grip strength is one of the best proxies, physical proxies, for testosterone levels. Wow. So the Marine Corps won't even let you go to recruit training anymore unless you show up for a year of physical training to prevent training deaths. That's how it is so the handshake the handshake test that's real it's a legit thing it's a legit thing it's plastic i've heard that hanging is some of the best things you can do for a person like hang from a tree branch and just well that's what the marine corps has you do if you have weak grips just hang really yeah hang for 20 minutes before you get child you don't get to eat until you hang wow that's what they make you do well sperm counts also on the decline

which is another great marker a completely objective marker of testosterone levels this is the crazy thing so if you look back at like we used to drink mercury to try and cure syphilis these things didn't work but the hope was that you'd poison yourself so much that I don't know what they were thinking

I can't understand this the people would just die from drinking it what made them think in any way it would help them or like oh well the civilist must have got them but uh then we have asbestos yeah and asbestos actually is fine until you disturb it but then we started realizing like hey if we're going to start clearing out these buildings and doing remodeling all of a sudden people are getting mesothelioma so we get rid of it now here's the problem with pcbs they've warped our minds we are now in a as a society in a delusional state and when a person let's say a person gets hypoxic you cannot save yourself right that's why they say put on your oxygen mask before putting the

mask on somebody else yeah if our society has been plagued by pcbs and you wonder why it is that you've got to divide between urban and rural, why the Democrats in the cities believe this and people in the country don't, perhaps it's because the people in the cities are gargling and swimming in endocrine disruptors that people who are on well water are not. And I grew up on well water in a farm and ranch in Texas. then is as a society that is assuming the endocrine disruptors are doing this yeah if half of the mind of our society this this body has been altered in some way yes how will you make a sound decision to correct the behavior a person who is i actually never thought of that that's a great point right our our minds uh so it it's it's not just this I mean, it's also drugs and everything else. So it's like if you can't think, you can't think your way out of it. Right.

If you're on a plane, the reason they say put on your mask before someone else's is because if you're all hypoxic, you die. If one person can get their mask on, they can think straight. They can save everybody. But we're in a place now where half the people aren't wearing their mask. And so when you're with your mask on saying, put the mask on, they're swinging at you and in a rage and then just collapsing. You can't vote your way out of it. Yeah.

You got to appeal to the gut. That's the only way. If the brain can't understand or is incapable from desensitization, you can get through the gut. You know, we talked a little bit earlier about the depopulation agenda. You know, I have friends in Europe and they always make fun of us in America for some of the crazy stuff here. The wokeness. The fact that we pay

3% on our own money. Interest on our own money and our own treasury is bizarre. They laugh about these things. And I just tell them I just tell them like maybe you should have some mercy. Because we're probably the most heavily propagandized population in the history of the world. The most sophisticated propaganda regime ever launched against a people has been launched against Americans.

And they can't actually see reality right in front of them. They'll deny the evidence of their own senses. It's a bizarre experience. And I can tell you, running for office, talking to normie conservative Republicans, many of them actually still believe the constitution constrains the government and that we should make constitutional arguments to restore the republic and you're like constitution has constrained the u.s government in 100 years like it it's it's a completely irrelevant document like how can you still keep saying these things

it's because they're heavily propagandized. We should not underestimate how effective the propaganda has been to warp people's visions. The issue is you've got prominent individuals who make a lot of money just agreeing with whatever the machine wants them to agree with. So to go back to the oxygen mask analogy, if half the people in this country are are inundated with pcbs and other chemicals that's damaging their brain or or causing them to you know just have alterations to their mindset neurodivergence as it were yeah then someone comes along and says i don't know about that but if i agree with them they'll give

me money that's what's happening yeah the famous observation that it's hard to get a man to change his mind about something who's being paid to believe it. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a good one. It's a very simple concept. But, you know, the basic operation of modern propaganda is to demoralize people. But I don't mean it in the sense of making them feel bad. I mean to literally remove morals.

Yes, I was going to ask. Because people often talk about demoralization, and half the people think you're talking about low morale. Exactly. When you're talking about the removal of morals. The removal of morals. Because you can't understand reality without moral reasoning. This is also something that Heidegger talks about.

This is why artificial intelligence is impossible. Because moral reasoning is required, right? It's required to make judgments about the world, right? I wouldn't say impossible. I would just say it's not going to turn out the way we want it to. A big part of what's been going on, though, is that the... No, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, it's okay. I think that in a lot of cases, the goal of whoever is doing this is to remove our ability to make judgments. That's right. They want us to not be able to differentiate between right and wrong or good and bad.

Simply because they want the order to maintain? Well, because they want to get their thing across. Well, it turns out that discriminating between right and wrong is important to discriminating between red, white, and blue, falling down, going upstairs. The apprehension of physical reality is informed by morality. It turns out there's a reflexive relationship between the two. And by removing this moral judgment, you can remove the ability of people to understand what's happening to them. And that's what's going on, too, with the drag story hours and everything. You have kids come in, they look around and they're like, this is super creepy. And then the parents are like, no, this is totally normal and good.

But explain the AI thing. Why do you think it's not possible? So what we're really doing with AI is we're doing fancy curve fitting. So and we put a nice name on it and we do all this stuff. But what it is basically doing is curve fitting to very complicated functions. And it can mimic a lot of the decision making abilities of humans. It can be really effective if it's layered, so-called deep learning, where it's layered. So you're doing essentially curve fitting on curve fitting on curve fitting on curve fitting. But what it can't do is things that humans do.

It cannot look at its environment and make judgments independently about its environment. Like one of the hardest problems in AI is to teach a system to just recognize a kitten. It's a notoriously difficult problem to get it to just optically recognize a kitten, something which a two-week-old newborn can do. What do you mean it can't recognize a kitten? It turns out that kittens have a fuzzy enough look that's very difficult for them to discriminate it. But yet a child with the kinesthetic perception, once it holds – remember, we're talking about two-week-old infants that don't have object perman permanence so when you remove it from their sight they think it doesn't exist anymore that's why they get that's why you can play peekaboo with kids because you appear again out of nowhere right they don't have object permanence so but you could teach a child that age to discriminate a kitten

but you can't teach ai is very difficult to do we'll get there i think though and one of the also one of the hardest problems is called the location problem. What if you just plop an AI down in a hallway and get it to recognize where it is, figure out where it is? This turns out to be extremely hard without the contextual information provided by innate human knowledge about the world.

In some sense, kind of what Kant was talking about, that there are categories of perception by which we structure knowledge that's not possible for ais well i i don't i think we just haven't developed the technology to get there i think it's possible that have you seen like the boston dynamics robot yes i think you can put uh some kind of algorithmic learning uh system within it and let it mill about and eventually they'll start discovering and mapping things and then understanding and all that stuff no i don't actually don't disagree that it would do that but what i'm what i'm disagreeing with is whether that's intelligence yeah let me give you an example i suppose that goes to the question of the soul then ultimately sort of but actually

we can just restrict ourselves to just mathematical logic you know in mathematical logic there's two separate categories of research one One is called model theory. One is called proof theory. When your computers here do mathematics or arithmetic, they don't understand what the numbers mean, right? So it turns out that what mathematicians are actually doing is they're creating what are called formal languages. And these formal languages have three particular elements that make them up, and they've been

thoroughly studied. Mathematical logic is like the linguistics of mathematics and studies these languages. They have one particular property that natural languages don't have. And that is that every grammatically correct sentence is guaranteed to be true. What do you mean by that? Elaborate. So if you follow the rules of algebra, you don't need to know what the numbers mean. You'll get the right answer.

As long as you followed all the rules, you'll get the right answer. You could see symbols on a page. And know that that was not. That's called proof theoretic reasoning. We're just using grammar rules. To simplify, if I understand that three as a symbol represents three objects, and you can represent that with, say, sticks. Yes.

Even if I did not know what those represented, if you knew represent that with, say, sticks. Yes. Even if I did not know what those represented, if you knew the rules of how the numbers play with each other… You'd still get the right answer. Yeah. So that's how computers do mathematics. Right. The computer doesn't know that two would be represented by two physical objects.

Right. It doesn't know what two means. It doesn't know what it means. But humans usually do mathematics using model theory where the number means something. In mathematical logic, a model is when you actually assign meaning to the undefined terms. So if you're doing geometry, you have points and lines, you give them some meaning. Say a point is a dot on a page and a line is a straight ruler on a page. You give it a meaning.

Well, here's the amazing thing about formal languages, that any sentence that's grammatically true, just for proof theory, without any meaning to the terms, is guaranteed to be true in all models. So it turns out no matter how you define points and lines, if the axioms are true in that model, all of the sentences will be true too. So all the theorems are true. That's not true in that model all of the sentences will be true too so all the theorems are true that's not true in natural language so what the ais are really doing is a kind of proof theoretic way of trying to make their way in the world it's not doesn't understand the meaning of what it's doing this is uh that's what you would find terrifying about them i find the whole thing

terrifying because i think where we're headed is i saw an ad for a program that can generate any video. So everybody's been playing with these various AI model, model, uh, art programs. There was like stable diffusion. We did a bunch of bits on the show where we like, you know,

Donald Trump hugging Joe Biden and the photo is awful and doesn't really work. But now you've gotten, what's that? What's that really popular one that everybody's using? Chat GPT? No, no, no, no. The picture generator. Oh, my gosh.

I use Nightcap Day. It's called Midjourney. Midjourney. What was that? You just bumped us off? It's because I took the mic off and I just hit the wrong button. Okay, so everybody's using Midjourney, but there's another app that can make videos. Now, obviously, there's a big controversy

over deep porn where that streamer was watching it and uh so i think where we're going is right now what we can see based on the tools that exist it is entirely possible to combine these things and say okay give me the scene it's It's a bar, and there's three guys, and they're about to have a fight. You could create the AI models, then tell the machine to make this scene with these models, and it will. You will be able to write a movie

and then press go, and it will apply the script, the character names, the description of everything. I agree. The script can be put in, and this is possible literally right now. All we have to do is combine the components

that already exist and are purchasable. can then take an existing script file name description character sound of their voice it's all in the script the and then the machine will render that for you but here's the thing that's technology today that we simply need to connect it already exists yes where we will actually go is you will be sitting in your room and you'll be like, computer, make me a movie about cowboys in 1870

and they awaken a dragon and he's got to save his son. And the machine will just generate everything instantly for you. Right. The scary thing to me about how nightmarish it is is we are going to, especially with Neuralink and VR,

we are going to tell the computer, generate for me a world where I am the king and everyone loves me and I have to fight a dragon. And then you put the headset on and you go into this soulless, masturbatory, fake reality. Yes. That's where we're headed.

Yes, that's where we're headed yes that's where we're headed I agree with all that the question that becomes what is humanity and what do we want humanity to be and what do we feel our value is and do we have a value beyond how we can entertain ourselves I read a great quote a long time ago and it said if humans ever shake hands

with aliens they will be congratulating each other not because they've overcome nuclear weapons but but because they've overcome the xbox that is everything that we are doing as humans is to trigger our dopamine yes you take a look at how humans used to live and we talked about this with jack posobiec i think it used to be the norm that you would be out in the middle of nowhere struggling to find food that you wouldn't always have everything you needed then we figured out

how to basically isolate everything. So what do we do? We take pure sugar, combine it with pure fat, and then we guzzle it down until our hearts stop working.

Speak for yourself. I'm done with that. Well, I don't. I stopped doing that a while ago. Thank God. I mean, a dessert here and there is fine,

but imagine this, that we've taken beets and we've extracted the sugar and hyper-concentrated it. Then we took an orange, which is delicious and healthy, and we smashed all that juice. That one wasn't even hard. What we're doing is whatever feels good, but we're just basically electrocuting ourselves over stimulating until we die. That makes me think what we were talking about earlier about morality because I think some people conflate morality and pain.

They think that if it's painful, that means that it's not moral but the reality is a lot of painful things are the moral thing to do i want to i want to bring something up in this vein there so this is something my friend sent to me earlier today and i get this text message with a very weird audio clip of my friend telling me that he's obsessed with joe biden and i'm just like what are you what is this it's like not a very political guy and then he sends me a link to 11 labs.io where you can add anyone's voice i've i i put my voice in and i'll just leave it at this i don't want to name anybody because i don't want to i don't this is a creepy thing but there are a variety of different podcast hosts i've uploaded

i took a sample of their voice and I was able to deep fake their voice in two seconds. I'm not exaggerating. I clicked add voice, drag and drop mp3, thumb snap, and it does it. So first, I'll show you this. This is speech synthesis from 11 Labs.

This is their generic atom. It's what their default is. I typed in, this is not a real person talking it's a deep fake let's generate see what it sounds like we need volume do we have volume it's generating though so it takes a second cool yeah you gotta give it a second this is so freaky i heard my own voice earlier today and we're gonna play your voice this is not a real person talking it's a deep fake let's try that again this is not a real person talking it's a deep fake there you go.

So you can type in basically anything. And when I first heard this, I went, well, that's really cool. I've heard robot voices before. I'm not super concerned about it. Right. But then we decided to, oh, which one should I play? Play them all. Here we go.

Hi, I'm Luke Rudowski, and I don't know how to pronounce my own last name. That's Seamus Coughlin, by the way. Well, it's a deep fake of Seamus Coughlin my own last name. That's Seamus Coughlin, by the way. Well, it's a deep fake of Seamus Coughlin. Of Seamus? That's Seamus. That was Luke. That sounded like Seamus.

That was Luke. Play that again. Hi, I'm Luke Rudowsky, and I don't know how to pronounce my own last name. I'm going to go with Seamus. I think that's Luke. Hey, what's up, guys? I'm Ian Crossland, and I'm not wearing any pants today. That sounds like Chris Poole. No, that was...

That sounded just like... And I'm not wearing any pants today. Ever. Ever. I no that was that sounded just and i'm not wearing any pants today ever ever i really like that guy that does sound like it's a really great thing like bringing peace to the middle east um you gotta let it play ian trump is the best president ever i really like that guy you just gotta lay there really great things like bringing peace to the middle east so we have a whole bunch of different uh uh should i play i'm gonna play it's so weird because i'm not responsible for what comes out of that guy's mouth dude don't tell wesley i told you this but we kissed last night i think we're in love i do love wesley by the way but not like that so i don't want to play

other people's voices that aren't affiliated with this company or the show okay but um let me just tell you name your favorite high profile personality it is freaky good you said some of them you got that all those voice clips from one MP3 that you sent the machine? I took like five to ten seconds of different people's voices, uploaded it. There was no rendering. Five to ten seconds if you do it. There was no rendering time. That's amazing. No rendering time.

You just upload it, and then I pressed. The rendering is when you type in the text, and we were able to make Ian say a whole bunch of stuff. Did you try your voice? My voice didn't't work do you have an example what no why would that be because it wasn't i have no idea i wasn't able to do it i i put in a a not that large of a file because 10 megabytes is the maximum and what came out sounded just kind of like someone trying to impersonate me by talking quickly, but it didn't sound like me. And my brother tried. It didn't work on him either. So I'm glad about that, by the way.

But this really freaked me out because some of the voices we were able to generate. And again, the reason I'm not naming these people because you have to imagine what it would be like if someone were to play your voice right it is freaky so what's the upshot of all of this so we have there's no upshot we have someone i mean there's like so once we have everybody's voice and deep porn and like all of this stuff how are you ever going to tell somebody who you are as opposed to who the the fake you is people are going to take the voice of a famous actress and they're going to put it in this and they're going to generate her saying things like i love you sure i will marry you oh your dream come true and then they're going to put their version sure yes exactly that's the vanilla version then they're going to put their face on the body of course and they're going to

put the vr headset on and that's where we're headed. That's exactly where we're headed. So real life, and now imagine Neuralink, where you can actually trigger sensory perception. So now people are just telling the machine, create for me Celebrity X, and we're on our honeymoon. Wink, wink, you know where this is going. Oh, dear. Well, you wouldn't even have to say wink, wink. You would just do the thing. I'm saying wink, wink to the audience here.

Oh, I see. You get it. What concerns me, I think what you were mentioning earlier i think what you're mentioning earlier people do weird stuff when they're by themselves like the uh how the ai doesn't understand context like humans do so if if the creator of the program wants to alter the definition of a word you're like i want to go out for a horse ride with my favorite and they're like okay change what it means a horse means slightly and like there's no way to contextualize. Could the AI not look at all horses across all time

and decide what a horse is? Yeah, that's what I mean by curve fitting. It can kind of generate a general image of a horse. It can even look at particular aspects of horses and do that. It just doesn't understand what it really is. Yeah. And it can't deliver that thing that is like reality even with neural link i think it won't be able to quite do that well that's what um i think cypher said in matrix the reason everything tastes like chicken i think

cypher said that right right everything tastes like chicken because the robots didn't know what they didn't know what it tastes like yeah so the thing then becomes too who's going to maintain the machine like who's gonna that's the ethical ai question that comes up a lot this was um i talked about this on the show a bit my my sci-fi tv show idea i'll give you the simple version did you hear me talk about this before i have yes go ahead so the general idea is it's like the last city on earth and for some reason the world is disrepair and destroyed it's post-apocalyptic nobody in the last city knows why there's like maybe like 10 10 million people and so they set out scouting parties one day a scouting party comes across strange slender humanoid beings super thin and tall in like chrome suits that have advanced technology that just wipe them out and kill them and then the central conflict is between these groups the humans think these are

aliens that came and wiped out all of humanity. The end of the season is the revelation and it's like if this was ever to be made a show totally be ruined by me telling you this but the revelation is that these are actually humans

and what happened is around the end of the 20 the 2000s 2099 or whatever humans began rapidly migrating to pods with Neuralink just like how cell phones

were adopted in a matter of a year or two. Right. Everybody had one. Sure. Everybody eventually switches to the digital economy and lives in pods, where all of their desires are maintained. So all the cities start falling into disrepair, because the only thing you need to maintain is the machines that have feeding tubes in people's bellies, like the Matrix, to keep them alive as they experience paradise however they want. But but periodically scout groups

have to go out to maintain the machine refuel it humans who did not go into these systems don't know what happened because think about it this way if you were trying to understand the world right now but did not have the internet would you know what was going on no you'd have very little idea exactly right so if all news migrates to the metaverse right and the people who outside of it don't have access to it, people who refuse to join for religious reasons or because they lived in the middle of nowhere and didn't have strong internet, just didn't care. So the city as it exists in your scenario is like a few generations down the road. A few generations after, so like 2150. After the pod thing, yeah.

There's no records. Right. They're going online and they're like, for some reason, all internet records just cease around this point. And newspapers stopped getting printed. Something wiped out humanity. We don't know what. But it's not that they got wiped out. It's that they're like. They migrated.

Right. They migrated to a place where they weren't interacting anymore. Right now, people in cities have cell phones. You still know people exist in cities. You can still get a newspaper. you can still drive to the city but if everybody left the city went underground into a pod to live forever or every 70 years you would never see them all you would know is one day you walked into the city and there were very few people this is nobody's working machine stops the em forrester novella was written in written in, what, 1911? 1918? That everybody goes underground?

Yeah, everybody goes underground, and they are fed and cared for by the machine. And they basically, like, mating happens by machine hookups and all of this stuff. And then the machine, it stops. It stops. A hundred years later. And then a whole bunch of wacky stuff happens.

People are being born in pods who've never experienced the real world and will never leave. And there's only specially designated humans who are reality scouts to make sure the machine is functioning who go out periodically. Got it. With advanced technology because once everyone's in the machine, scientific simulation is rapid and exponential with all the power of the AI that they have. So then they have automation, which can synthesize and replicate and advance beyond people who live outside the machine. We're looking at a situation where we're going to have Neuralink, we're going to have all these deep fakes and whatnot, so that you can create your own reality inside your own pod. And we're going to have world government that keeps us specifically from moving around so that we don't mess up the environment.

You'll own nothing and be happy. We'll own nothing. We'll be in our pods. You could be in it right now. We'll have no freedom of movement. You could be in it right now for all you know. And then you're going to have one person who's Winston in 1984 or the sun character in The Machine Stops or Kay in the machine stops or k in the trial or the castle

you know you're gonna have this guy who's just like looking around trying to figure it out you're in it right now well i don't think we're in it right now you wouldn't know have any of you seen like a classic sci-fi film called forbidden planet from the 1960s no it's about a civilization that did this essentially they created machines that could satisfy their every desire merely with mental mental stimulus um and they developed from that machines that had out near infinite power um it just you know in the 1960s all that all happened on mars right and um so you uh you find out that they destroyed themselves towards the end of this movie because what they didn't count on was the id, the monsters from the id. The subconscious mind began to make another reality, your unconscious mind could take control and build things in the AI that you don't necessarily want.

And I always remembered that phrase from that movie, the monsters from the id. Elon likes to talk about simulation theory. Yeah. And the general idea is that. He thinks we're in one. Well, the idea is that within the next 10 years we will be able to create virtual reality indistinguishable from base reality. And if

that's the case, it stands to reason it's already been done before us. Or that if we did and were to create it, it could have been created and we could be in it. So there's a simple mathematical formula. There's very little differentiation between saying that we're in a simulation So there's a simple mathematical formula. There's very little differentiation between saying that we're in a simulation and it's all

been created and saying that there's a god. Identical. I have to point out, this is Nietzsche's idea of the eternal recurrence, by the way. It's the same concept. He says, look, everything that's been done has been done before and it occurred exactly the same way. In the 90s we just said everything was derivative.

So what I say is, it's not a simulation. It's an MMORPG. What's that? A massive multiplayer online role-playing game. Yeah, yeah. My son was telling me the other day he thinks we're living on the edge of the simulation. And I was like,

why do you think we're not in the simulation? It's not a simulation. It's a game. Yeah. I think it's like, if it, you know, people say simulation, simulation. And I'm like, right.

I don't know. I think I put my bet on mmorpg meaning a large number of people are players and a large number of people are non-playing characters that facilitate the existence of the game i actually don't think the npcs would explain a lot exactly yeah i don't think that there are any npcs i think that does a disservice to humanity and our relationship with them. Have you seen this recent... Animals are non-player characters. I understand why you would think that there are non-player characters of human beings,

but I think it really... I don't think it just does those people a disservice. I think it does us a disservice in our understanding of humanity. That moral argument doesn't change my perspective on people being NPCs. I don't want to believe it. Well, that's fine with me.

I don't want to believe it. They're not truly non-human. I want to believe that everyone is, you know. Have you seen this recent research that about a third of human beings don't have an inner monologue? Yeah, what's up with that? I don't know how to confirm or deny that.

That freaked me out. I don't understand that either. That's what I'm talking about. And have you ever seen the test of mental imagery? No. They say, when you're told to think of an apple, what do you see? And then they showed varying pictures of apples. Some people can't visualize anything, nor can they think words in their own mind.

My son was asking me the other day. He was like, Mom, do you think in sentences you're talking to yourself? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, yeah, me too. I was like, okay. I you think in sentences, like you're talking to yourself? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, yeah, me too. I was like, okay. I think you got to learn. It's called an inner monologue. Yeah.

Some people don't have one. I used to. I think that's wacky. How do you go about life and figure out how to make decisions if you're not constantly in communication with yourself? Well, so I was reading this story a long time ago and I was hanging out with my friends and I was reading and I was like, whoa. I was like, they're saying that a third of people

don't have an inner monologue. And then one of my friends said, what's an inner monologue? And I said, like, when you're thinking, sometimes you're thinking, like you're speaking almost. Like in your mind, you have a train of thought

that is various words. And then my friend was like, I don't know what that is. Now here's the other thing too. I've had, I've got multilingual friends who explain their inner monologues which is back and forth right because they speak in different languages and i'm like oh that's interesting and then there's some people tell me they don't have one and i asked my friend like then what are you thinking and they're like i don't know and i'm just like what what's in your mind like do you see pictures

because the craziest thing for me is you know when I do these videos where I'm like just talking in a stream of consciousness, I'm actually on a multi-track mindset. Sometimes when I'm reading articles and talking, I'm imagining like I'm scheduling my day. I'm doing a bunch of things. Wow. Yeah. So to hear that some people don't even have a single track was like, how do you function? Is it like stimuli? Is it?

This is why I think that um not not this solely i don't think anyone everyone who doesn't have an inner monologue is an npc but i think this is indicative of the fact that some people are npcs and we talked about on this show there's this i can't remember who brought it up maybe you know it ian the theory that there's a finite number of souls and that there's too many humans on the planet so not every person is in-souled. That's horrifying. That's a horrifying thought. Yeah, I think it's more of a resolution. You might not want to believe it,

but there's no argument to believe or disbelieve. I think it's like a resolution scaling system where I used to picture an apple. It was red, round apple, but now I picture a highly refined, I can see the light shimmering off it when I visualize it, only because I've developed my brain and my ability to, by letting go of my shame and stuff like that. So I think it's not that they don't have it, it's that they can't really see it because

they don't understand what it is, but it's there, communicating. Their subconscious is constantly in communication. Think about this. If you believe in the subconscious. I'm a skeptic on the subconscious. Do you believe animals have souls? No. And so this is- I'm an Orthodox Christian. Exactly. A typical Christian Do you believe animals have souls? No I'm an orthodox Christian

Exactly A typical Christian belief Only humans have souls Right Now Play a video game Like GTA Do animals

Or no no Let's do Let's play Skyrim Okay Do the animals I was just playing that yesterday Do the animals in that game have souls? No

Well nobody's Nobody's playing them There's no No one is in control They just do this Programmed based thing Right now for a single player game like skyrim no one but you has a soul because all the other things you know now in an mmo you know that many of these people that are running around doing things these other players people they're so they have souls there's a player behind it but there are also animals running around that have no soul i look around

at the planet and i look at animals and i don't see them as having souls i like bucko i don't think he's a soul how do you define a soul a player character i do not think animals are player characters you think they're conscious i think there's varying degrees of what we define as consciousness but i do not believe that animals have souls. Do you think they're sentient? Well, perhaps elephants and maybe dolphins and some larger whales. Someone was saying Jesus is alive, Jesus Christ is alive. And I was like, I think what you want to start saying is Jesus Christ is sentient because his body died, so he's dead, but his soul lives on in the form of sentience, this like field of magnet, of whatever it is,

if it's plasma or something greater than that, that's still there interacting with us. Well, in orthodoxy, we reject the ghost in the machine idea. So we don't believe that a soul and a body are separate things. So the way I have tried to describe this- So would you say that you're like a physicalist? Yes, in a way. The way I've tried to explain this to secular people is you could look upon a soul as a

transmitter, right? And the software program that runs the hardware that does the transmission is the soul, right? But you could also look at the soul as a receiver. There's a transmission from God, and your body is capable of receiving this transmission and understanding it and even interpreting it in certain ways. And when you die, the signal doesn't go away. The signal doesn't stop. That's what I'm thinking.

I think so. Like you've got your own magnetic field that's interpreting the greater field. And then that would be... That's why we believe in bodily resurrection. The body will be resurrection. Otherwise, your soul wouldn't be resurrected because we're embodied beings. I think about simulation theory in terms of like video games.

And you were mentioning, there's no difference, Libby, you were mentioning, there's no difference between a simulation and saying it's created. And we've talked about this before. I completely agree. So the world is created. Do you think the world's created? Created? Well, I don't know. But I, so I i don't know agnostic for the most part i'm not atheist though i do believe in god but um created i guess i guess the simple answer is yes and perhaps the process of whatever what whatever whether you're believing in solid state theory or big bang theory whatever you want to believe all of that is the process of creation well it's just transmutation nothing can ever be created or destroyed that That's what I – when I was teaching CCD at my church, I had a kid come in and his

mom was making him go to – it's like catechism. It's when you're preparing for confirmation, which is – I'm glad to hear that still goes on. One of the sacraments. Yeah. And so his mom was making him go, and he was like, I'm an atheist. And I'm like, okay, kid, you're 13. Like, that's cool, being an atheist. And he was like,'m an atheist and i'm like okay kid you're 13 like that's cool be an

atheist uh and he was like i don't believe in the afterlife and i was like okay so you know what about what about you know the that energy can neither be created nor destroyed and he was like yeah okay i believe in science and i was like okay so what happens to your energy when you die and he was like i don't i don't know it goes back into something and i'm like right so it doesn't die right so your energy in some form even in your scientific atheist um understanding of the world goes somewhere it has to continue on with it might be true that energy can be created or destroyed i just we think it can't be at this stage it can't be sure uh and he thought it couldn't be so i got him on it oh yeah what's your favorite video game um i actually still like skyrim especially with

the new updates i was just playing it with some of the plugins skyrim great uh what's the white run yeah that's one of the main cities in the game did anyone build those cities in the game like when you go into the game and walk up to the city, did any of those characters actually chop down the trees and construct those buildings? No. No, they didn't. It was created by the creator of the game. Even the house I live in in Whiterun in the game.

But to the characters, they're in buildings that, according to the lore, were created. So I think it's funny when talking about simulation theory because the idea of a simulation versus a constructed or intelligently designed universe or a creator is they're all the same idea. And then you consider this. Dinosaurs and fossils, when people say they were always there, I don't believe that the Earth has been around that long. Many secular individuals or atheists will laugh and say that's absurd. We've done carbon dating, et cetera.

And it's like yes and just like a video game if we're in a simulation they were drag and drop and placed there for purposes of the game for some reason when you have christians who say that that's that's what happened with archaeological finds that they were placed there to be part of our understanding like in a video game the buildings are placed there and no one built them there's an excellent book called Forbidden Archaeology. There's a shorter paperback version of it, but it's just an analysis of about 1,500 archaeological digs in which when they do carbon dating, humans have been here way, way longer. They actually correct carbon dating to accord with evolutionary theory, even though the physical evidence contradicts it. And this happens a lot.

So like what I've heard is if something's been exposed to the air and you carbon date it, it's going to have a way later or I think a later day, right? Like we have these famous footprints in Texas where we have a dinosaur footprints. It's dinosaur footprints, day park,

you know, and human footprints are also there, dated to the same time. Someone was just saying 2 million. But they say it can't be. They say it can't be because of evolutionary theory. I think it was Randall Carlson might have said that 2 million years. He thinks humans have been around for 2 million years. Why does he think that? It just keeps getting older and older.

He didn't get any evidence at the time. But aren't they also not necessarily human beings? Like, there are all these other humanoids. Hominids, yeah. Yeah, hominids. That's the word that, like, came before us, like Neanderthals and all these different kinds of life. It's actually a florence.

You guys are overthinking it. It's actually much simpler. Life originated on Venus, but a runaway greenhouse effect destroyed the planet. So the last humans of the planet was falling apart due to a greenhouse effect, which led to, you know, sulfuric acid rain, built the ARC project, which took the DNA from two of as many animals as possible. The military then launched

it before the planet was destroyed, and they came to Earth, which they'd been terraforming for some hundreds of thousands of years, and you know, then disseminated the genetics to create life. That was around the Precambrian area, which is That was around the Precambrian area, which is why we see the Precambrian explosion. That's when the Ark Project deposited all of the new animals

because we needed to now start colonizing Earth. Unfortunately, Venus was destroyed, and now we can't go back and check because the density of the acid destroys our satellites and probes when they land. When I was a kid, I used to think that all of the planets had been consecutively inhabited what you did there and it would be like it consecutively inhabited so earth it was earth's turn mars was had been inhabited but it had lost its atmosphere

and so mars was no longer inhabited wouldn't that now it's earth and then it'll be like one by one you know i was gonna say a great movie because the great flood is on venus not on earth right and they i was reading about how venus may have once had an earth-like climate because it's a relatively close enough to the sun but a run they do say a runaway greenhouse effect caused sulfur you know acid buildup which destroys everything and so i'm like you know it's a fun idea when the sun smaller, it wasn't as hot on Venus. It just expanded and then essentially cooked the planets. Like Venus, they thought those were like a compact, comet impact all these craters on Venus.

But now what they think is that the planet got so hot that it cooked and exploded out all this goo out of itself, basically baked and then exploded because of the sun. But the reason I think that life originated on Earth in this solar system is because of the moon. Because of this weird moon, like Theia smashed into Earth 4 billion years ago, came out, ball of magma that cools down into this moon that pulls on the tides and causes for all this unique gestation of life. That's not what happened. What happened was when Earth was forming, God clicked and dragged and dropped the moon

and then typed in the parameters for stable gravitation. And that's why the moon and the sun line up perfectly, creating an eclipse. And then put a whole bunch of water on the planet for the moon to mess with. Well, physicists recognize this. For the moon to mess with. I get in conflicts with physicists all the time because being a math guy, we don't trust the existence of their abstract math entities and they believe these things exist sometimes so but they they have this idea of this what do they call it the strong anthropomorphic principle that the universe does appear to have been designed for physicists to understand it i love it and they don't know

what to call it you know all these constants could have been all these different ways depending on how the big bang went but they all fell this way that human consciousness could figure it out and they call there's a strong and a weak version of that principle is it a joke no it's serious because i mean i think people developed sensors to be able to read the universe that's why we are sensors or at the very least we're only having these conversations because we developed the ability to understand the universe. Yes. So like otherwise we'd be rabbits running around just going mech, mech at each other. Well, that would be the Garden of Eden, right? I mean, when people talk about the fall from grace in the Garden of Eden, I'm always like, I'm super grateful for that.

Otherwise, we would actually not be the conscious beings that we are. It's like a discussion of how human beings became conscious. I was recently listening to a podcast about the theory of evolution and how when Darwin came out with his theory, what happened was it was broadly accepted relatively quickly and all other theories about the, you know, origins of mankind were just tossed out as fake. Interesting. I wonder if he knew somebody. you know, origins of mankind were just tossed out as fake. Interesting. I wonder if he knew somebody. Yeah, I wonder about that as well. Like, how did this theory, how did it explode

and become the only theory that we consider? You know what the worst religion would be? What's that? That we're in a video game and when you die, you wake up at Dave and Buster's. Like Blitz and shit. And you're like out of chips on your card. Exactly.

Like Rick and Morty, the Roy game. Right, right. It's like you just wake up and everyone's like, that was a pretty good run. What did you do? You were editor-in-chief for an independent media outlet? I always thought Conan's religion was interesting. You know, he worshipped Krom, the god of strength.

And if you were ever weak enough to have to call in his aid, he would kill you anyway. I like in the Klingon religion, Krom, the god of strength. And if you're ever weak enough to have to call in his aid, he would kill you anyway. I like in that Klingon religion, the Klingon warriors killed all of the gods hundreds of years ago. What is your trade? Like you're saying you're a math guy? What is your main studies and

focuses? I was trained as a topologist, but you can't feed a family on that, so I do statistics like most people, which leads me into AI. But I'm more interested in topology. Meaning like the study of the Earth's surface? No, no. Man, what's a way to explain this?

So there's a set theoretic definition of this, but that will not be helpful. Okay, so imagine that you have a geometry. It could be Euclidean geometry, whatever. You have a geometry. And you take out the ability to measure distance. All right? So now you could think of everything as infinitely stretchy. There's no concept of distance. I got it. Relationships. Well, in that kind of a scheme, a circle and a square and a triangle are all the same shape,

right? Because you can stretch them into the same shape. So instead of using a congruence relation like you would in, basically you could define branches of mathematics by their identity relations, right? So a congruence relation in the geometry says if you overlay the two objects, they have the same exact outline, right? In algebra, equality is the identity relation. It has to be the exact same number.

A homeomorphism is the identity relation it has to be the exact same number a homeomorphism is the identity relation and topology and it's basically can they be stretched into the same shape wow is it real real quick a lot of signs a lot of people are have been mentioning throughout the show that the balloon exploded over montana really we didn't bring it up because as much as i'm checking all we have is a video and it is confirmed well it's not confirmed but it's reportedly bs yeah because i thought it was actually moving east i thought it was over missouri at this point so uh there's a video going viral showing something coming down and everyone's saying explosion explosion this is it and uh ryan savedra says videos likely totally totally bs billing says we're not aware of any explosions and defense officials tell uh fox news the balloon over montana has not been exploded.

It was not shot down by videos. And videos are fake. Yep. And it's still over Montana? Well, it's moving. No, it's moving east. And apparently there's more. And for some reason, the Pentagon is just letting it move east.

I mean, it's so humiliating. Like, I feel humiliated by our government that they're just letting this happen. Like, blow the thing up. Just blow it up. I want them the thing up. Just blow it up. I want them to capture it. Just take it down. I was thinking what happens is the Chinese were running a border scan

across the southern Canadian border. Well, Canada was talking about it, too. Are we sure it's Chinese? I mean... No. Yeah, no. It is Chinese. China said it was theirs.

They just said it was a civilian mistake. They said, don't worry about it, you guys. It's totally fine that we're doing this. And then the Pentagon says it's... How can we let it stay up there? It makes no sense. It's humiliating. Like, they got to at least bring it down and study it i'm so i have so little faith in this government i'm just like i'm chilling one point though could it be ours and they're just saying no no china at least an official statement saying it's a chinese civilian aircraft that veered off course but that could be a joint declaration by the U.S. government

and the Chinese government. You know, the DOD has $1.9 trillion budget and we can't take down a balloon? We can. That's the thing. Well, we won't.

A drone could probably do it. $1.9 trillion. I think there was confusions because it said it's over MO, the state MO, which is Missouri. Missouri, yeah.

But that's in the other side of the world compared to Montana. No, that's because it's going east. It's moving east. It's a, which is Missouri. But that's in the other side of the world compared to Montana. No, that's because it's going east. It's moving east. It's a balloon. It travels. I thought it was in high. It's not like a static.

Missouri's got South Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa between Montana. Yes, it moved. It's called the jet stream. To Missouri? It's in Missouri now? I thought it was in high atmospheric orbit. I thought it was like 80,000 feet. Yeah, something super high.

And I guess they said that it was moving towards the center of the country. That's what the Pentagon said they said it was moving east yeah it's the jet stream that's what happens that's where it goes I hate to you know

this makes me remember Japan in World War II those bombs they built balloon bombs yeah I mean this would be a way to deliver you know

a large huge explosive I watched some documentary or like the things that wipe out all of our electronics where some little kids in like the 80s found an unexploded bomb. And they hit it with a rock and it blew up.

And what had happened is they explained how Japan would make these balloons that had a mechanism for when they got hot and got too high. Then it would release pressure. But then if it got too low, a bag would fall off and it would like release pressure but then if it got too low a bag would fall off and it would go back up and it would make it across the jet stream and start dropping bombs on the United States.

Yeah. Crazy. It makes me remember that. They found kids after World War II in England found unexploded ordnance. It was always an issue.

I'm so concerned about this balloon. Fugo balloon bomb. Not the balloon itself. It's the behavior and the response to having a Chinese spy balloon. Yes, that's the concern. That's the concern. Why are we not doing anything?

Why is the government just like, hey, it's totally cool. That's what doesn't make sense. It's totally cool that we have this spy balloon. And you know what else the Pentagon said? The Pentagon said, you know, China already has spy satellites. So there's nothing that they can see now that they haven't been able to see with the spy satellites. Yo, they built 9,300 of these. These balloons? And of the ones that made it to the US, only six people were killed by them. They were extremely ineffective. Wow. Yeah,

they just didn't work. Wow. They probably had no guidance mechanism, right? It's just random. Just the jet stream. So it bombed Oregon, I guess. But this Chinese balloon probably has some way to guide. Well, this Chinese balloon also is giving China a whole lot of information about how stupid we are and we don't respond to anything. It's like, here's a major threat. We're not going to respond to it at all. A lot of people are saying because they have low earth satellites, this isn't that big of a deal. But like, how do you know that you need to break that thing apart and look at the nanostructure of the materials used to build it? It could be sensors.

It could be all these sensors. Plus, even symbolically, even symbolically, like get the, get it out of the sky. Yeah, it makes me want to get a gun and protect myself in case the Chinese send another balloon over my house. Yes. We should all have like RPGs take this thing down. It's not going to make it. There's like this whole pattern.

You need to set up another balloon. Another balloon to take it down. To be able to get that high up, what, 80,000 feet or whatever? Yeah. High atmospheric. That's way up there. But we have people who do that. Like, we have those guys

who go all the way up to the top of the, you know, way above the atmosphere and they jump off platforms and they're like, oh, I'm a thrill seeker. All right, we have one guy

who does that. And it's really dangerous because you start spinning. Obviously, it's dangerous, yeah. It looks pretty dangerous. Yeah, if you start spinning, you can't stop. Right.

And there's no wind. Then you're done. What were you saying about the structure of it? You saying something bothers you about the structure of dangerous. Yeah, if you start spinning, you can't stop. Right. And there's no wind. Then you're done. What were you saying about the structure of it? You saying something bothers you about the structure of this? Well, look, I mean, there's a pattern here. Like, we don't protect our southern border, right? We know we could interdict all these drugs.

We don't, right? We can drone people all over the Middle East, but we can't drone drug dealers in Mexico. Now we're not protecting our airspace from just blatant intrusion by Chinese spy balloons. We have an incredibly old, doddery man as president

who doesn't seem to care at all. Yeah. There's just like a whole program here. I actually don't believe that the president's in control of the military. Ever since Trump, Trump is what proved that to me.

Right? So I really don't even look at the... Well, because Trump tried to pull our troops out of Syria. And they lied. Yeah. Even on small things, they, they refused.

He ordered military parades every year of his presidency and they refused to do it. I would have loved to see a military parade. That would have been bad. I know. Millie actually gave him the middle finger and put a tank out there and just let it sit there. Wow. I mean, they literally gave him the middle finger. I was heard thatiden wanted to shoot it down gave the order i don't

know if he gave the order no he wanted to pentagon said not pentagon said not a good idea biden was asked about it when he was talking about some garbage stupid thing that he's got planned right now and uh instead he just looked at the reporters and walked out the room it's so strange how we give china's in some ways we're so militant towards China by rhetoric. Well, we can't decide if they're competitors or enemies or allies. Just never do anything. It's odd. Meanwhile, China said that their military needs to be ready by, what was it, 2027 to invade Taiwan? And Biden has said that we will militarily defend Taiwan.

So now we're literally looking at, in our lifetimes, a two-front war against China and Russia. This is a disastrous situation. I mean, if Obama was talking about the managed decline of the United States, this is the managed destruction of the United States. It's not even a decline. It's just like, hey, let's just destroy ourselves. I called it this with, and I did a video leading with Jack Posobiec's story

about how his neighborhood fell apart. It's a slow motion control demolition. We've said it tons of times. Yeah, I love that. I love that, yeah. I get the vibe that the Chinese are terrified we're going to invade them.

So they're like, if they invade us, we need to know what their northern border is secured like because we will have to send troops through Canada. We can't do anything. We're not an invasive force. We don't have the ground troops for an invasion we also don't have the base right the

united states is an air superiority military that's that's how we win so we've got missiles exactly what they're concerned about is taiwan there i think they're getting ready to invade taiwan that's why we just put a bunch of we're putting a bunch of stuff in the philippines and i think these balloons most likely are they need as much data as possible. And so, you know, there's a lot of questions like, why aren't they using satellites? Satellites have to keep moving for the most part. I mean, there's geostationary orbit.

Yeah, this is going very slowly. They have to crisscross to be able to track different areas. This balloon can move around. And I think most likely, like I said yesterday and on my show earlier, the guy robbing a liquor store doesn't care that he has a gun illegally because he's already planning on committing a greater crime in robbing a liquor store. China doesn't care if we're mad about a balloon. They're already planning something that's going to piss us off.

So screw it. Well, there's all kinds of ways of doing reconnaissance. Like their satellites could be looking at all of our electronic emissions trying to detect the balloon and learning all about our electronic detection systems this is the kind of stuff that goes on right yeah yeah the russians are actually masters of that you want to be like almost like oops we accidentally pulled the balloon down somehow i just shoot it down just shoot the well then you got no evidence they can't so i have this theory because it's 80,000 feet and it's not something where it's just like dispatch x to go do it you need an asap missile yeah right you need an anti-satellite missile to get it yep it's too high for a jet so what do you do another balloon yeah another balloon carrying a bunch of blades or something listen if we have

a 1.9 trillion dollar defense budget and we can't take down a balloon over our airspace, that is so stupid. It's that we can't deploy anything right now. No, I understand that. So we have to build it, which you can't just do instantly. Well, that's dumb. And we've outsourced all of our production to China.

Can you build an anti-balloon? Which is also so stupid. I mean, Trump at least was like trying to get drug manufacturing back in the US he was trying to convert what was it the Kodak factory

up in Rochester to turn it into like what was it like for lasers basically for ibuprofen or whatever lasers could take it down

people are pointing out but you still have to get within a certain range for the laser to be effective I mean 80,000 feet is still that's a long way that's a long way

for a laser but maybe they could get halfway up with some kind of high-altitude drone, and they do have those. Supposedly, we have ASAT missiles that can shoot satellites. I don't know if there's a laser that can hit 40,000 feet. I'm actually skeptical that a lot of our technology works. I agree. Our 777 artillery, very simple machine.

It's just absolutely inferior to Russian artillery. The Ukraine conflict has proved that, right? That and the— I think a lot of the stuff is made to enrich the defense companies, not to actually kill the enemy. Well, that's why we had to have a war with you. That's why you had to help Ukraine's war, was to line the pockets of the people who— 100%. ICBMs are in disrepair.

Yeah, yeah. So— And yet Russians have hypersonic missiles that we know have they've launched in ukraine and work and they're they're 100 stealthy and undetectable by radar because of the plasma that that develops in front of them oh awesome so they're stealthy and hypersonic and our cities are just really vulnerable and they're shooting what 64 000 i think was what colonel mcgregor was saying 64 000 artillery rounds a day wow and they're shooting, what, 64,000, I think, was what Colonel McGregor was saying, 64,000 artillery rounds a day. Wow.

And they're going to blow up all our tanks. And Ukraine can barely muster 5,000, and they've wiped out the artillery round stores for all the NATO countries. Like, we're not industrially prepared for war anymore. No, we're not. It's ridiculous that, yeah. Russia knows it. We've done a very poor job. So does China.

Yeah. And I think there's something to be said for innovation. There's an old saying in manufacturing that innovation happens on the shop floor. So when you outsource manufacturing, the innovation goes over there. Because it's from solving real world problems that you learn how to innovate. The Russians have never outsourced. And the sanctions, paradoxically, forced them to develop their own internal industries, which I think bolstered internal innovation. Well, and China outsources, but only for the purpose of gathering resources.

A hundred percent. I was thinking about France in World War II, because they were like the superpower on Earth next to Germany and Japan. And then they were just taken off the table in the early days of the war. Like if the the united states if china were to invade the united states in like three weeks with tactical nuclear strikes on the coastal cities and invasion of the capital thing is we can work decentrally now so it's it's a lot harder to to nullify a country by taking the capital but like we think like if there was a world war between the united states and like the united States could be removed from the game in the first days if we're stupid.

I mean, land warfare, I don't actually think the NATO alliance could possibly beat Russia. We don't have enough guys. In naval warfare? In land warfare. We just don't have enough stuff. But I don't think the Ukraine thing is attacking Russia. That's where I differ from a lot

of my friends on the right. They think that we're trying to attack. I think we're trying to destroy Germany. Oh. That's what I think. Like they're trying to bankrupt and destroy Germany like they were doing to us to the Federal Reserve?

To de-industrialize Germany, which was the program in World War I and World War II. Yeah, but then we paid to rebuild them. Yeah, we did. So why would we want to corrupt our investment at this point? For the same reason

World War I started. We will not allow an alliance between Germany and Russia. You mean it wasn't Archduke Ferdinand? Yeah. You mean killed by the Black Hand Society, financed by the British Foreign Service? Sure. Yeah. But the Mackinder thesis, you can look that up, but it's a long-running sort of foreign policy idea, a British foreign policy idea, that there are land peoples and sea peoples and uh anglosphere foreign policy has been completely directed toward prevention of an alliance between europe and

russia so there's always got to be and so the the nordstream pipelines directly threatened that it was creating an alliance between germany and russia wow and and russia was actively attempting to come into the Western economy. They were moving away from China into the Western economy. And Anglo foreign policy cannot allow that. And it's historically, literally since the 1600s, been completely directed at preventing that. That's what World War I was actually about.

And so we're literally de-industrializing Germany with high energy costs right now. Yeah, and we killed that whole pipeline. We're also destroying England with high energy costs. Yes, we are. More people freeze every year because of extreme temperatures than die of any kind

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And you get access to a massive library of uncensored members-only shows and support our cultural endeavors. But let's read what you guys have to say. We got JTTV. Scott says, Release the code, meaning your entire network of influencers,

Ian has the most honest rolls. Oh, very nice. Hey. So we have a lot of comments early on where people were saying it looked like the balloon was shot down, but it's I see. Yeah, seems to be not the case. Alright, let's see. Okay. Alex says, This man's story is extremely

important and needs to get out. Meanwhile, the chat is spammed with Eliza Blue nonsense. Respect the quartering, but y'all need a life. Well, you know, this man's story is extremely important and needs to get out. Meanwhile, the chat is spammed with Eliza Blue nonsense. Respect the quartering, but y'all need a life. Well, you know, it is what it is. We're here to talk about Jeff's story. Matthew says, I've been trying to tell people about Jeff Younger, but all the liberals tell me I'm lying or the mother has the right to do that. I'm sorry for the situation. I would be mortified.

Yeah, what is the next on the horizon now for you legally? They're going to push me into an early trial as soon as they can. The judge will probably clear the docket and let it get done because they want to get this trial done before Texas passes a law requiring parental consent. And then what will happen after that, it will happen probably, I'm guessing, right at the six-month mark is how the judge will do it. And then it's possible for the California courts to take over jurisdiction since she will have lived there for six months and then my kids fall under California laws but if Texas passes the law that gives both parents I'm going to try again to get an order to have them return to Texas and give me emergency jurisdiction over them all right here's

one this is actually seemingly insulting but also actually kind of um respectful zach harrington says ian's willingness to say things that would embarrass a normal person is absolutely inspiring but actually i think that's a compliment it is so key because there are a lot of people that should say something but are worried about what other people think and won't say it and uh ian will say what he thinks he will it's freeing too like they laugh at first and it's like oh i hurt i hurt but then eventually you realize like they don't laugh as much anymore all right steven says ask jeff if he ever considered getting a bishop or priest to do an exorcism on his wife

um well we converted into orthodoxy and prior to conversion we went through an exorcism and then at baptism another exorcism and then when my sons were born we have a what's called a churching period so the children and the mother are not allowed in church for 40 days and then they come and are exercised and brought into the body after 40 days so that's three them. What was the exorcism like? The prayers of exorcism, one, require that you spit on the devil's name. You literally spit to the west. And that's to determine if you're under his influence. And they ask for the Holy Spirit

to remove any infernal influence. And the exorcism prayers are prayed by the entire church. Do people cry? Sometimes, yeah. It's like you're literally exercising the soul. Yeah, yeah. But you know, Orthodoxy is somewhat different than Roman Catholicism in that we do not generally approve of moving the passions in church.

So, yeah. Blue Collar Henry says, this is the exact reason MGTOW exists, no marriage until law changes. Well, yeah. If you go to my Twitter feed, you'll see that I was swarmed by feminists when I suggested that men may have to start using surrogacy and adoption if they want to have children. And a lot of conservatives and religious people are really mad at me right now over that. Well surrogacy is an abomination and it's surrogacy should be entirely illegal

commercial surrogacy. What about selling eggs? It's not someone else no it's when you rent a woman's body and check her full of drugs and then take her baby once it's born. Yes. I call it pre-adoption so I don't think it's as bad.

It's extremely, well you've never been pregnant pregnant i mean i could not imagine it's absolutely a horror it's someone else's egg the woman is hosting someone else's egg yes usually which also in order to host someone else's egg uh you have to take drugs to prevent um or organ rejection the same kind of drugs that you would to do that you have to go through ivf drugs i mean it's like it's an insane process and it's very much like prostitution except you're getting screwed for nine months but unfortunately it's the only way for fathers to be secure in their posterity under the law there's absolutely no reason i think we should change the law there's absolutely no reason that women should be subjected to men's whims and have their bodies forced into that for money. There's absolutely...

Well, it's consensual if they're getting money, ideally. I mean, I agree that no one should be forced into it. Sure, it's consensual to buy women. Yeah, you can buy women with money. You can definitely do that. You can definitely do it. But that doesn't make it right, and it certainly doesn't make it something

that should be legally sanctioned. You're only renting, Libby. I'm so opposed to surrogacy, you have no idea. It's a lease. But are you as opposed to the single motherhood? I'm as opposed to single motherhood by choice, where you would get a sperm donor and do that. I'm 100% opposed to that. What about getting pregnant naturally,

but not getting married or rejecting the father those kinds of things i don't think that's great i don't think that's a great situation but if you get pregnant and you keep your child you know and you do right by your child i'm in favor of that all right patriot says i sympathize with jeff i went through the same thing with two daughters and a drug abusing ex-wife who'd have gang members dealers and drugs caught on tape leaving them for hours and drug deals with them present berated by judges for suing for full custody. Yeah. In general, because of the money interest I told you about Title IV-D,

the family courts generally give the child to the dysfunctional parent because the responsible parent will pay. And make money. The drug dealer will never pay the child support and they'll never get the money so they tend to give the child to the dysfunctional parent and the functional parent will pay is that only if the dysfunctional one happens to be a woman is it something no no no no there's there's tons of mothers this has happened to in texas believe me i had custody of myself awarded to my father so i was raised by my father. And then I had custody awarded to his ex-wife, who was not my mother. You did that by choice? No, no, it all got very screwed up. The whole

thing was very crazy. But I mean, I've been through so many divorce processes at this point. Yeah. In Texas, the stats are that in a divorce, this isn't general, this is of divorced couples 94.3 percent of the time the father will get every other weekend it's largely a father problem but increasingly it is affecting mothers as mothers as as men become less responsible mothers become the more responsible party so the courts say she'll be the one to pay child support what the heck that makes no sense that you would give the kid to the less responsible parent it doesn't for the child's benefit but it does for the state budgets and at that point don't the people have a duty to step up and tell the state you've gone wrong every time i stand up and talk about the problem of single motherhood and the problem the way that the child support industry promotes it

uh republican women go absolutely insane on me they go insane on me it is not a popular topic even among republicans what is it specifically that they go insane they say you're anti-woman somehow because you're for traditional marriage like i want to get rid of no-fault divorce i i think you should be you should be able to get divorced if the five faults one of the five faults are present but no-fault divorce needs to go away if if you want to date someone date someone if you want to get married just something different and the the the arrangement outside of marriage should be 50 50 custody no child support unless one of the parents is unfit what what does happen what are the five faults uh abandonment uh denial of affection which is basically you don't have sex, right? Fraud.

What would fraud be like? You have another family. Yeah, bigamy would be one. Bigamy would be a form of fraud. It's widely... Hiding money and resources and stuff. Well, or it could go the other way. It could be that you say that you have more money than you did or whatever.

You tempted someone to marry you under a lie. Ah, I see. Abuse and then neglect abandonment abandonment is different than neglect you said you said that already yeah abandonment was the first one yeah abandonment yeah go through those again okay so maybe i let's see if i got this right so we got um let's go with infidelity there you go infidelity yeah infidelity fraud um abuse abandonment and denial of affection denial of affection i love it no you have a right to sex and marriage and that's we prior to no-fault divorce you had a right to that wow yeah all right let's see we got mick chillis as a man has to be absolutely insane these days to get married in the u.s i agree many would

caution against even cohabitation due to common law marriage i agree wise up men migtao free top g repeal the 19th you know what it is it's like common law is not real though like people misunderstand common law it's not it's not a real thing what is it it's this urban legend that if you live with owen for a long enough period of time you are now legally married but that's just not real that's not true texas does have a common law statute but it requires that you represent yourself as married three times in public yeah married yeah and it's because you are choosing what does it look like to represent yourself the idea is you say you're married oh you say the idea is you're inadvertently married and you go oh no now i'm married because we live together we were roommates oh jesus that's not how it works

that doesn't work you have to assert your marriage you have to file claims against your marriage and after a certain amount of time you can legally seek benefits but if you don't then you won't yeah but living with a woman

could still be very dangerous because you have no rights if you're not married and you have a child your rights are even worse if you're not married so alright

Lakuva says deadlifts are great for grip strength Ian look into the starting strength program. It's great for beginners. Also, when Luke comes back, you should try to get the program's founder, Mark Ripito, on. Yeah, Mark's a cool guy.

Cool. Thanks. All right. Alex Schott says, just think. Not too long ago, the biggest peer pressure kids had to worry about was, hey, kids, do you want to go smoke and get drunk? Now it's, hey, kids, do you want to take hormone blockers and cut off your junk? Yep. And the schools are pushing it. That's the difference. The schools were against drugs, but the schools are all pushing this. And that's scary for a lot of these kids. You look at these detransitioners,

these kids are going to grow up and it's going to be really horrifying. Yes, it is. It's already horrifying if you've met any of them. Have you been in touch with Chloe Cole? No, I have online. I have online. But I have good friends of mine in Texas who are detransitioners. They already are detransitioners? Yes, yeah. In fact, have you guys seen the video of me at UNT

when Antifa attacked me? With Kelly Neidert, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I talked to Kelly about that. She was terrified. She was like locked in a closet for a while. Yes, yes. I got a rib broken.

Whoa. The guy tried to choke me out out they wouldn't let you speak at all did you did you end up saying speaking at all yeah they eventually so because i'm not like these these limp-wristed normie conservatives so antifa shows up right i'm like okay i got an hour and a half i'm gonna make you yell for an hour and a half go for it and I had a microphone so I could always yell louder than them yeah so I was like is this all you commies got the yell the red guards are better than you guys so they got all pissed and then they they were worn out after about half an hour you just can only bank tables and yell for so long and then one of the shot callers from Antifa there's always a shot caller right the shot caller comes over and he stupidly posted this on youtube the shot caller posted all of his radio radio and chat comments to all the other guys it's funny he

comes over and says you know what this guy's doing he's making us look stupid by making his chant like this we probably should let him talk so then i started my talk and then they surrounded the building with about 400 people whoa three or four hundred and then they surrounded the building with about 400 people. Whoa. Three or 400. And then they threatened to burn the building down, and then the police evacuated. Nazis. Yeah, that's what they did. Neocoms. I call them neocoms.

Some guy got a good shot at me. The cop put my head down, and then somebody, I don't know if it was a knee or something, but a guy broke my rib on my right side. The guy tried to choke me. I had to gable grip out of it. Were you like, they were taking you through a crowd or something? Yeah, to get to a police car. And this was all because you were trying to protect your children.

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. I was running for political office in Texas. I was running to be a member of the Texas House. And Kelly Nider's organization, the Young Conservatives of Texas, invited me to come speak about my campaign. And because of the anti-trans stuff. So I'm like on the top 10 list for antifa

in texas like when i go to the capital they have armed people follow me around you know and people are all like you should move to texas you should move to florida i'm like dude west virginia is my country yes so i have to i have to say this because we we've got people who issue threats and stuff if they came out to the mountains of west virginia um my warning to them is like please don't because we don't want you to get hurt. Right. Like, I'm just saying, you're going to come to some mountain

and there's going to be some right-wing nut job with, you know, an AR on each shoulder and pistols on each, you know, all over his body. And he's going to be yelling yeehaw as he sees them rolling up. Like, don't do it. Don't come out here, man. Yeah.

You know, it's like... Antifa's all over the urban areas of Texas. Yeah, you come out here and yeah you know it's like antifa is all over the urban areas of texas yeah you come out here and uh nope well here's a post on social media scare me the fact that on the posts where they're like i hope they come here it would be awesome to make my day and i'm like no guys you you don't want to hurt like we don't want anybody getting hurt we don't want antifa showing up because then they're going to be leaving in body bags and that's bad bad bad do not come out here ain't nobody out here is gonna tolerate that and we've seen these videos from a few years ago where like antifa showed up to a residential

neighborhood and it was in a suburban area and then people came out of their houses and just it was like it was like union guys yes and they just started shoving them and pushing them then you see videos where that was in west virginia no no no no it's just some suburb i can't remember where it was but they're pushing on the antifas like stop stop man leave us alone yeah they can get away with this in cities where the police run cover for them that's what i was gonna say but you come out into the countryside where you walk onto someone's property with a weapon and self-defense and castle doctrine kick in real quick please do not come out here well they didn't in missouri Well, they didn't in Missouri with that couple that stood outside. That was in St. Louis.

Yeah. That's St. Louis. Oh, I guess that's right. The police protect Antifa. They do. That's right. Yeah. Antifa only operate in permissive environments.

And so that tells you a lot about the political structures where you live. So I live in Denton County, Texas, in a town called Flower Mound. And it's very instructive that they will not operate in Flower Mound, but they will operate in Denton, the city, which is in Denton County, because the sheriff is permissive. Yep. And the police chief in Denton is permissive. That's all you need to know about your elected officials in law enforcement,

is if Antifa operates there, they're allowing it. Yep, hands down. 100%. Because it's no surprise they don't operate out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. don't operate out here yeah yeah because the cops out here they're not actually like far right or anything we've worked with them because of the threats that we've gotten and they're just kind of regular dudes yeah but they don't tolerate it but more importantly the attitude out here is kind of like well you know it's west

virginia it's constitutional carry and if someone shows up and there's a threat to someone's life they have a right to defend themselves and their property. That's why I'm like – I'm actually worried for these people if they came out to the mountain because you look at these message boards for the neighborhood and it's just people salivating being like, make my day. And I'm like, oh, man. If it only stepped over the line, I could have got him. Yeah. Exactly. Don't come out here man but that's why it's like you know texas i wouldn't want to i wouldn't want to go i don't want to go to a dense urban environment yeah where i have to rely on cops i'd rather be in my constitutional carry state we have security guards we have armed stuff

but we have we have laws that allow us to defend ourselves. I love that. And you have neighbors who don't take kindly to people from driving all the way out of your far left wing nuts. Sure. Yeah, nut jobs. I love it. All right. Agamemnon's Gym Bag says, We're literally living in the plot of 99 Red Balloons, but all I care about is your son's welfare. Jeff, I'm not a praying man, but you have my prayers tonight.

Lukenbach is no longer a destination to move to yeah yeah texas is texas is a very conservative population that is ruled by extremely left-wing republicans was it always like that in the last decade pretty much the people forget until the mid-90s uh democrats ran texas it was a democrat state until the mid-90s. California was Republican until the late 80s? Yeah. All they did in Texas is they switched from being Democrats to being Republicans and they run as a Republican, but they're still liberal. Did anyone else have

99 red left balloons running through your head all day? Nina? 99. Sean says ATF has begun a 120-day amnesty period to register your braced pistols and waive the $200 tax. If caught with a braced pistol after 120 days,

you'll be fined $250,000 and sentenced 10 years in prison. I'm pretty sure the ATF does not have legislative powers, so this is completely unconstitutional and will likely be overturned very quickly after the volley of lawsuits

fired off by every single gun rights organization. So, you know, we'll see. I have a feeling this is going to shut down in the court, an emergency injunction within a matter of a week, but we'll see. To stress, the ATF can't decree legislation that you will go to prison for a thing that was not made illegal by Congress. So, good luck.

Right. But, you know, take it seriously, because I'm not saying the government ain't corrupt they certainly are they'll certainly try all right what do we got here we'll grab some more uh dusty firebird says libya is a rock star thank you for fighting for kids mr younger this episode is why i watch every night i film birds and exotic locations follow me if you love nature too very cool what's the name dusty firebird dusty firebird yeah all right where are we at a lot of people mentioning the massive explosion in billings montana um but what i could see is uh is probably probably nothing you know all right guardsman norheim of the 10th first says tim's voice didn't work in the deep fake because he's not an np NPC already programmed in the machine.

You know, I don't know, but I will say this. I have been told by comedians it's hard to impersonate me. Interesting. Seamus tried, I think Seamus tried something from Freedom Tunes, and he was like, I couldn't figure out how to get Tim Pool. I don't know. Someone asked him on the show, I think,

can you do a Tim Pool voice? And he was like, I don't know. I can't figure it out. And I've heard that before. Interesting. I don't know. Someone asked him on the show, I think, can you do a Tim Pool voice? And he was like, I don't know. I can't figure it out. And I've heard that before. I don't know. That's just me. Wow. Joe Rogan is also really hard to impersonate. People, like, look, Trump is moderately difficult, but people nail Trump.

Tom Cruise, pretty easy to get. Ian McKellen is easy. You can nail these impersonations. Dr. Fauci, I think, is pretty easy. Dr. Fauci has the same accent as my grandmother did. Yeah, he's fairly easy. But Joe Rogan has a weird voice. That's like Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.

Yes. If you ever notice this, a lot of parodies with Joe Rogan will just get nowhere near sounding like him. It's weird. He's always posting on Instagram pictures of tattoos

people get of his face. Yeah, it's kind of weird. I'm always like, what is the deal with this? It's the weirdest thing. He didn't post it first. I think he just weirded it out

and then he was like, you know what? I'm just accepting my life. Wow. This is real life. And some of them are wild. Some of them have like a third eye.

They're so good. It's amazing. All right. The pool sheriff says you'll have to buy an official character in the metaverse so people know it's you and your truth will not some fake kind of like a blue check mark well i think what it'll be like is there will be the default avatars the poor people will have where there's like seven models and they all look the same but with like different colors and then there'll be the premium models that cost you know 15 bucks a month or whatever

and then everyone will subscribe or you'll be able to rent your premium clothing in the game just by spending time in the game in the game

there will be no hours a week skins yeah you'll get free skins if you spend 40 hours a week if you live and work in the metaverse there's no crime

there's no theft no one can mug you you have no fear of violence or anything like that yeah but you have no idea what's happening to your actual body no no you're in the pod.

It's locked. Oh, you're in the locked pod. And it could also be sensory deprivation. They could also do it as augmented. Like in the Mitchells versus the Machines. Did you see that movie? Mm-mm. That's actually a good Netflix.

Have you seen Surrogates? No. Bruce Willis, you've seen it? Yeah. Everybody has a surrogate robot version of themselves. They don't leave their houses. They go in pods that control the robot, and the robot goes and does everything for them. Oh, I had a friend of mine who's severely disabled who was telling me that he really wanted

one of those well it's like an avatar the dude was paralyzed so he got to be the you know the movie did a good job of presenting the creepiness of the robots though the robots were oh right in that movie yeah plastic looking yes and then there's the scene where it's like the hot chick is making out the guy yes and then gets killed and they're like let's go find the operator and the operator is like a 400 pound morbidly obese guy. Yeah, that's the future. If we go circuit, I think it'll be metaverse. Like building complex androids

seems like too much work. Metaverse would be easier. Yeah. But nobody has legs in the metaverse right now. Oh really? I haven't checked it out. I've never gone in the metaverse or used the metaverse, however you pronounce it or describe it, but there's no legs. We really need treadmills.

People just float around. Treadmills in the metaverse? That's bizarre. Yeah, VR treadmills where you strap into like a bouncy harness. They have those. Yeah, but they're not quite good enough. I want smooth feet where I can run full speed and jump. They have those.

Yeah, but they're not, I haven't found a really good one. If you guys have a good one, you tell me. The one with the bowl? I don't know. It's got, it's a bowl that's a touchscreen, and you're wearing a waist harness that goes around your waist, and you run,

and when you run, your character moves. I was at VidCon seven years ago, and they had it set up, and people were playing an FPS, a first-person shooter, and you're watching these people in these pods up high, and they're running full speed strapped in and then going like this and shooting at each other.

I've seen a lot of them, but they're, they're only running like they can't have a full gate. Like they can't because the, the bases aren't that big. Once you can get a big enough where you can run full speed, they have a jump and you can land without hurting yourself. They have a treadmill that moves in all directions that you can run on.

Dude. And then you get haptic feedback, shirt, gloves. You can feel stuff hitting you. It's going to be in all directions that you can run on dude and then you get haptic feedback shirt gloves you can feel stuff hitting you it's gonna be so good and you can exercise other things too right you sure can this sounds like hell and you can swim like if you can go like prone and like swim kind of like where you're held but then you got gravity that's a big part of it is the underwater stuff is hard to mimic right now right i think we need to bring back appreciation for the real world yeah i'd say go to a boxing ring do something probably not going to do that but all right someone someone in the chat said that metaverse graphics is like ps2 yes it's not good and it's because the lenses are high resolution but super zoomed in so it can

work got it so we need to get to like you know 16k resolution before it starts becoming you know better did any of you do second life have you ever been in second i remember i played that one time for a little bit and i was kind of whatever i watched some gameplay footage of it i bought some land in in second life and and had a server in it for a while i was experimenting with it. There were some universities that had put up like university areas where they were like actually doing lectures

and stuff. It actually looks better than the metaverse. I had some friends who were Italian architects and they were obsessed with Second Life. Because you could build

stuff in there, yeah. I used to play World of Warcraft and I will tell you this. Night Elf? I was. Human Rogue. Human Rogue. Night Elf Druid. What about you? Night Elf Druid. Hell yeah, dude. Most powerful in? I was. Human Rogue. Human Rogue.

Night Elf Druid. What about you? Night Elf Druid. Hell yeah, dude. Most powerful in the whole game. He's just so versatile. Yes. Well, the first daily was good.

Paladins are good too. Yeah, they're amazing. You know what I... I think they're a little overpowered. What I always found funny was that when I would play Rogue and do PvP, I had no problem with anybody. They used to piss me off.

But people would complain that Warriors were too strong and Rogues couldn't kill them. So they patch and make rogues stronger and i'm just like this is the most ridiculous thing ever just because these people didn't know how to play right what happens is blizzard keeps going in and seeing like well we gave them the tools to play the character properly but they couldn't figure it out so they're not having fun so we better change the game to make it fun right just made it easier oh. Rows are so deadly. I remember standing out with my night elf, shooting out arrows to catch their invisibility.

Just aiming randomly? Just aiming randomly, because I don't know where they are, and they just keep backstabbing me over and over. See, vanilla was the best with preparation, because then you'd like the bleeds. I never had a problem with warriors. You would just go up, you garrot, you hemorrhage, hemorrhage, you bleed, then you vanish. So I never had a problem with warriors. You would just like you go up you garrot you hemorrhage hemorrhage

you bleed then you vanish then you just wait. You wait as the warrior is screaming and swinging at nothing. That was me. And then once the bleeds go down

you go up and do it all over again then you prep then you vanish again then you wait. And I'm like it's the easiest thing in the world people complain about.

The problem is because it's capture the flag if it was just one-on-one you could handle a rogue. What do you mean? Well I could handle a rogue one-on-one but I had a goal I had to go do so I didn't forget about the guy behind me.

And I couldn't stay on the rogue. It was the invisibility. You could not, you didn't know where to attack. They needed to be like shimmery so you could at least see them. Oh, no. That ruins the part. They changed heroes in a storm. It was brutal.

Absolutely brutal. It was OP. I can't believe we're like bonding over WoW here. But here's the thing. Vanilla, right before the release of Burning Crusade, was the best. It was OP. I can't believe we're bonding over WoW here. But here's the thing. Vanilla right before the release of Burning Crusade was the best it ever was. That's it. And then once Burning Crusade came out, it sucked. And then what was next?

Like Wrath of the Lich King or something? Yes. I was done. I just stopped. I liked Flying. It's the last one I played was Wrath of the Lich King. I think Flying kind of ruined it. Because it used to be when you couldn't fly, there was so much to do.

And me and my friends would go glitch hopping and find all the exploits. And then risk getting banned and we'd get warnings. But we would go underneath Stormwind. Yeah, because there was an area where you could glitch through the walls. Yes, I remember this. I used to go on top of Undercity. And they took all of that fun stuff away. It was like they created this universe that you could go into and play games

and had missions, but there was also, we'd look on the map and we'd be like, hey, has anyone ever realized this portion of the continent we've never been to? We go there and there's no way in, so we start glitch hopping,

basically jumping until we find a way to break through and then we're in this big flat space with literally nothing in it and we're on the map. Then we message our friends being like look where we are look where and then they they took it all the way from us did you get into the center of duskwood you know there's that big where you see stitches for the

first time you guys know what i'm talking about yes is there's a big like mountainous area in the middle yeah is there something in there i never found anything in there i went all around boys for playing world but if you can fly you. But if you can fly, you could probably... I didn't fly, so you could probably go up there now. It just ruined it. And that's why I think when people started releasing the vanilla versions, the classic, that people got really into it. And then Blizzard got mad and sent lawyers to shut them all down. Right.

Then launched their version, you know. And I tried playing vanilla, and I'm like, they lost it, man. It's not there. Like, all of the fun shenanigans were just lost. I'm going to harvest so many peace blooms until I want to blow my freaking brains out. I'm like, what am I doing with my life? I could be making a TV show. They need to stop doing expansions and literally just do WoW 2 and start a new game from scratch,

which is something new and fresh. Because now the economy is ruined. The whole game makes no sense. And I just stopped playing it. I played Legion. And then I've played uh legion and then uh i i've i've played like every expansion then given up really quickly you know i have i cannot find an mmo that's good i'm i think it's got to be the next evolution of video gaming which is vrar where

you are in the reality i really enjoy mmos but the cheating just drives me away every time like there's just so much cheating that goes on i play daisy for example a lot and just like cheater after cheater after cheater aim bots yeah i just give up and they can see you through walls and you know people doing like headshots from 200 meters with pistols yeah it's all cheating we'll grab uh we'll grab a couple more here okay mf damien says rogan used to have a thick boston accent and trained it out maybe that's why yeah he's got a unique he's got a unique voice it's like it's you know i don't know some people could probably do it it's just some people are easier to impersonate than other a lot of it's the body uh structure of the body so like unless you have rogan's body you're not going to have

that horny sound when it comes out of the mouth you know we got one more one real quick todd b says have you heard the insane idea that they are floating of using brain dead women as surrogates? Yes. No, I have not heard that. News story. They said women who are brain dead could donate their bodies for surrogacy. I did read that this morning. There's also the idea.

There's also this really innovative idea where they're talking about taking the wombs from transitioned young girls and implanting them in men who want to have the full female experience. It obviously won't work, but that didn't stop the NIH in the UK from putting a bunch of money behind this plan. They keep saying it, but men don't have the pelvis for this.

No, obviously not. But the NIH was doing research and throwing money at it anyway. It's like the sex is a spectrum stuff. It's all this. All right, everybody, if you haven't already,

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I think we're having some really big shows next week. Stay tuned. I think our Wednesday show I can't say too much but we'll be in a special location. We're planning. No guarantees. It's going to be a technical hurdle. Shouldn't be too complicated but it will be crazy.

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