Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #712 COUP Ousts James OKeefe At Project Veritas, WE GOT THE LETTER w/Tower Gang Reed & Jose

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil Labonte, & Serge join Reed & Jose of Tower Gang to discuss James O'Keefe being ousted from Project Veritas, the deaths of two New Jersey Republicans, Donald Trump being reinstated on Facebook, and Tim addressing the Eliza Bleu controversy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. A couple of days ago, I was hearing some murmurs. I think it may have been a couple of days ago about Project Veritas, but nothing confirmed. But now we do have confirmation that James O'Keefe has been placed on paid leave. Several employees signed a letter complaining about his behavior, calling him a tyrant. The strange thing about this letter is that they say that many of the signees never actually witnessed any abuse, nor experienced any of it, but decided to sign the letter anyway. Turns out that one of the individuals involved, who may have been about to get fired, has pronouns in his bio, leading many people to

believe that this is some kind of coup to remove James O'Keefe. And now Project Veritas has put out a new video with a different host explaining what's going on with their story. Yeah, and no one's buying it. No one's heard from James. So, of course, this is a huge story, and we've got to get into it. We'll talk about that, plus we'll talk about what's going on with, well, we've got Facebook reinstating Donald Trump. We've got a bunch of different stories, but we're going to get into it, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to talk about some strange censorship that's going on with a person who was recently on this show named Eliza Blue. I don't know if the chat's going to light light up but for those of you who aren't familiar this got to a point where admittedly within the past hour i said okay okay look you you guys you know the people who have been asking us politely i

might add that took to consider looking into this we just saw several people others who other individuals have been in the show who have had a series of youtube videos taken down and so i will say in honor of the polite requests, I think it's actually worth talking about. And I also want to say, too, that, look, what's happened with Project Veritas had me actually very worried. James O'Keefe, we haven't heard from him, we don't know what's going on. We've had the drama with The Daily Wire and Stephen Crowder. Obviously, there was drama involving me, which I just, I feel like all of this, it's getting a little out of hand. It's getting a little crazy, especially considering this other story that we have. Two Republicans

in New Jersey were just killed in the past week. Now, one was by a coworker. We're not entirely sure what the motive was. Another individual was targeted, this woman, in her vehicle. And that made me kind of take stock of everything and just say, okay, look, man, we've got to make sure that at the very least, if we have differences, we're unified in what these problems really are, because it seems like this is really, really bad. Considering Project Veritas recently did one of the biggest exposés of their existence with James O'Keefe, and then

almost immediately after, we see him get ousted in some kind of coup attempt, or I should say outright coup, and at least that's what I'm hearing from sources in New York media. Seems like a coup at Project Veritas. Yeah, I think we've got to make sure, at the very least, I ask that we focus. So I'm going to say this outright.

For anybody who's upset with me, I apologize for being brash and crass. I said I wasn't going to, but I'm genuinely freaked out watching what's happening with Veritas, seeing the infighting between Crowder and Daily Wire, and then now this. Kind of makes me feel that, look, I'm not perfect, and y'all can still be mad at me, but I don't want to engage in any fighting that's going to cause us to actually lose this thing in the long run, because it's not a good thing. You know, last night we had a great show with members of Congress. We've got to keep this energy up, and we've got to make sure that even if we disagree on certain things, we're focused in the same direction towards making things better and

fighting for the values that we have. So, you know, considering what we're seeing now with Chrissy Mayer as well, I'll be happy to admit that I was wrong about this one for sure. But I do have some grievances that I'm planning to address that I think some people should be aware about as it pertains to the story. But we'll get into that. Before we get started, head over to TimCast.com, become a member to support our work. As a member, you'll get access to exclusive uncensored members-only shows from this podcast. They go up around 11 p.m. Monday through Thursday, and we had an awesome show. You know, Matt Gaetz comes in swinging and swearing, and we had a really great uncensored show with several members of Congress in the offices of Lauren Boebert last night.

Check that one out. And we're going to have one tonight for you as well. You're also helping us with our cultural endeavors. We're setting up a coffee shop, a physical location where people can hang out. We'll talk all about that. And it's underway. We got the contract stuff happening. A lot of expansion is currently happening.

So it's all very much exciting. And I think, you know, I just want to make sure we can focus on that positive energy. And admittedly, look, man, this Veritas stuff is really creepy because some people are suggesting that he's being ousted by some malicious external forces. So we'll get in all that stuff. Joining us today to talk about this and so much more is we got Reed and Jose from the Tower Gang. How's it going, man? It's going well.

Thanks for having me on, Tim. Who are you? Yeah, well, I'm Reed Coverdale. I have my own show called The Naturalist Capitalist and basically talk about how the government ruins everything it touches. Everybody's trying to fix small problems and they create bigger problems. Once a month, I do the Four Horsemen Show wearing the shirt here with my friend, Ryan Dawson and Eric Jackman. And we talk about conspiracy theories, foreign policy, current events.

And then the rest of the time, I'm just talking about work-related stuff, how the government's destroyed the working industry, made it harder for working people. I have foreign policy experts on and lots of people you guys have had on, friends with Scott Horton and Dave Smith, and those guys have a lot of those people on. And then I do social media for the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire, and we're constantly making headlines over there and stirring things up. So, yeah, that's me. How about you, bro? party in new hampshire and we're constantly making headlines over there and stirring things up so um yeah that's it that's me how about you bro and i'm jose galison i uh i'm part of tower gang which is an offensive comedy podcast if you come in there and say i'm offended just know we don't care and we'll probably laugh at you uh i also have the no way jose show uh that's where i do

my more serious content i cover libertarian theory, conspiracies, generally whatever just interests me. It's just kind of my outlet for that. Probably the thing I'm best known for is my coverage of the OKC, the Oklahoma City bombing thing. That's why I have the shirt on. Terence Hickey didn't kill himself. That's what dragged me into it.

The character of Terence Hickey, he was an American hero. He had a very incredulous death and ruled the suicide immediately. And I think he's an American hero that needs to be remembered. And I think there are people out there that need to be held to account for his death. Right on. We also got Phil Labonte back in the house.

What's up, everybody? I am back from the left coast. I am Phil Labonte, lead vocalist for All That Remains. I don't know Jose or Reed, and I disavow everything they have to say. The second part of that's true. It too late my friend Ian hi everyone Ian Cross and coming at you I've got some good news on bucko he came back from his vet journey today and he's gained a quarter pound in the last week wow it's a lot for a little fella that it is a lot for a guy his size is very promising man stem cell

technology stem cells in state of mind. It's been very calm, peaceful. The prayers. Yes. I tell him how good he is, how healthy he is, how I'm lucky to be with him, and he seems to enjoy it. When I start doing push-ups, he gets up and starts moving around and eating big meats. Bucko's doing well. I think that's all I got to start off. Jose, you and I did an episode of No Way, Jose.

Yeah, we sure did. It was a while back. I was poaching you for my Aaron and Cassandra book series, seeing if you were into Proton. You weren't, but we still had a great episode right right i didn't know enough about the context of the data but maybe we can get into it tonight if we do go that direction i don't know we'll find out and we also have this gorgeous human to my right did you get a haircut dupre yeah i was gonna i was not gonna say anything about it and kind of just just not address it on the podcast you know but i did get a haircut uh you check out the

pop culture crisis from today if you want to see me get my haircut. It was good. Okay. Very handsome. Wouldn't me. Thank you, guys. All right, let's jump to this first story. This one, this story legit has me freaked out.

I was hearing some rumors and some murmurs. From TimCast.com, James O'Keefe accused of erratic behavior by 16 Project Veritas employees. James has become a power drunk tyrant, said one unnamed employee in a letter submitted to the organization's board. Nobody's buying it. I've got my sources and I'm not buying it. This is the letter that we were able to obtain

through, let me just say, sources in New York media. Apparently this had been circulating to a certain degree. And I want you to know a few things one this letter is signed by i believe was it 16 employees accusing james o'keefe of being a power drunk tyrant and he is exactly who he pontificates on who should be exposing now this letter includes very important bits of information and context which leads me to believe i think there are people trying to oust james'Keefe not because of any of these perceived grievances. I think they're trying to just remove him as an element of Project Veritas because, I mean, he's the guy.

He is Veritas. I would put it this way. with 65 employees and you generate millions plus in donor revenue, I imagine the board members are thinking like, hey, the one problem we have in terms of control of this money is James O'Keefe. He's an ideological figurehead who believes in a mission and founded this. This happens with big companies all the time. It's like in Spider-Man. Remember when Willem Dafoe is playing Harry Osborn and he's like, do you have any idea

how much I've sacrificed? And they're getting rid of him. You get rid of James O'Keefe from this organization, and you are free to use that money however you see fit. The problem is, I don't think anyone's going to support him. Now, as we mentioned, they're saying that they were bullied, that he's a tyrant.

Let me read for you the top note. Because they certainly had to include this. It says, the opinions, data shared, and anecdotes were compiled by one-third of the Project Veritas staff, representing every department. Not all signed this letter, but all had compelling reason to contribute. Some signatories have not been the subject of abuse nor witnessed any abuse, but found the corroborated behavior troubling and were willing to sign that that means right there sounds like a load of garbage to me yeah what did they sign exactly

so imagine this you work at project veritas someone walks up to you and says we think james o'keefe is bad and he's done these things will you sign a letter and they say sure next thing you know the board comes together there's a viral twitter thread where one guy is saying uh reporting according to his sources one of the board members who orchestrated this had a whole thing scripted in ousting james o'keefe so i've reached out to james i've not heard from him but uh admittedly look man you know when i saw this and a few other stories today i was like dude this i got questions, man. It's getting crazy right now. Okay, so first of all, if you sign your name to a paper that's making a statement,

that's an indication that you are making the statement. And if you didn't see the things that you're signing onto, that's fraud, or at least could be construed as fraud. So don't sign something that you don't believe in. I think that's what the disclaimer's for, though, isn't it? To make sure that they, to say, look, I didn't see this, but there was a disclaimer saying that I didn't see this but i think that james is a bad person it it needs to be more fleshed out than just an introduction with like some of these people

like it needs to be on the signatories you need to see who didn't see it who is just following along and signing for the fun or because they feel like okay and who actually witnessed the things that needs to be very implicit. Ian, what it is is sign this if you don't like him, okay? That's really what it is. Isn't that the vibe that you pick up? It's essentially, it's like people that have some kind of incentive to not work for James O'Keefe, whether it be people that want control of Project Veritas,

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it's it seems like it's all emotionally motivated you know with people that have some kind of uh you know some kind of benefit from jane from james will keep not running project veritas to play devil's advocate uh on the side of the people that are creating this letter, because I love James and his work, is that maybe in the last year, stress has been getting to James. I feel like I can empathize with what he's been going through the last year. I saw him tweet out, I'm not suicidal,

by the way. You don't tweet that out if you're not stressed out. No, I don't buy it. Look at this. I don't believe this. I literally don't believe it. I've had people saying, Tim must be so stressed out, and it's like, dude, I'm like, people make up stories about you, man. Look at this. Democracy Partners

trial in public, I was yelled at in front of jurors because he was hungry, and then he took the eight-month pregnant woman's sandwich. Like, come on, man. Like, am I supposed to believe that James O'Keefe, like, walked up to an eight-month pregnant woman and was like, give me your sandwich, I'm hungry, and snatched it from her? That sounds like something someone made up to make him sound bad well right because if I take something from you it could be because I went

over and grabbed it out of your hand or it could be because you offered it to me and then I took it sorry that I really don't think that I don't think that the person that's accusing James I don't think they're saying that the child gave him the sandwich I think that you know an eight month pregnant woman oh okay so well I still I don't feel like're saying that the child gave him the sandwich. I think that he, there's pregnant woman. Oh, okay. So, well,

I still, I don't feel like he might've been like, can I have that? And she's like, okay, maybe I'm wrong on your, on your, on your suicide point. And I mean,

I'd have to know the context, but I know it's a common thing. Like literally just, I started out from the beginning with the Yiki thing about the suicide. So I don't know the context in which he said it. It could have been like a snarky remark with O'Keefe with the kind of things he covered. He's obviously alluding like,

Hey, if something happens to me, it wasn't me. That's exactly. It was like a snarky remark with o'keefe with the kind of things he covered he's obviously alluding like hey if something happens to me it wasn't me that's exactly it's like a tweet yeah like he just said in a tweet like a couple sentences elon's been doing somewhat similar things i'm sure he's under immense amount of stress right now i i've talked about how people claimed i went to their house in boston and walked in their house two in the morning and turned the tv on and people tweet that kind of stuff and they believe it i look at this and i'm like, James walked up to a pregnant woman and stole her sandwich. That's the thing. Take is not steal. He might have asked her and she said yes, but not been happy about it.

So consider this too. It may be that they're greatly exaggerating these things. Look, man, I kind of feel like, I'll put it this way. I worked for nonprofits. Imagine you have an organization founded by somebody else. They're ideologically driven. We have a mission.

This is what we're going to do. And this is why we do it. And you're like, I want $5 million in cash. This organization's got 50 million bucks, but James won't let me pay myself. We got to get rid of James. These are the kind of things that happen at big companies after a long period of time. They want to get rid of the person in charge who's motivated by a mission. There's

a saying that a buddy of mine, an entrepreneur said, some people are good at starting companies and some people are good at running companies. Some people are founders, some people are CEOs. Somebody founds a company and then they hand it off to the CEO. The CEOs are very different from the founders. So my view of this is just my personal opinion and my bias because like when i i mean this

sandwich thing really is there and then there's also some other there's something else i want to show you if i would let me first ask you guys this when you think of project veritas who do you think of james o'keefe hands down yeah james o'keefe is project veritas that's not what they think they're they're here's here's an image look at this there is honestly no project veritas without James O'Keefe. Hands down. James O'Keefe is Project Veritas. That's not what they think. Here's an image. Look at this. There is honestly no Project Veritas without us. You know, look, partially true.

This is our moment to make history. I hope James can realize we're doing this out of love for the mission. Yeah, that's all created in their own head. When they start saying that they're doing things out of love that are bad for a person, that's rationalizing doing something they know is immoral and bad. So I think that Tim's right on. I think that they're motivated by it. I worked. It could be tough love. Oh, no.

Ousting him like this abruptly? I don't know. I worked for several nonprofits. Not in this context, even. And here's what happens. Because these organizations don't function like the same kind of companies people who work here work for a mission they're not part of the reason you get paid less when you work at a non-profit is because you're doing something you want to do for a mission and so at every single non-profit office i worked

these are all events fundraising street canvassing etc they had a policy all of them to fire every single person in the office the moment a person starts expressing demoralization. I mean, like morale. And so the fear was if somebody starts getting upset and feeling aggravated or aggrieved, they'll go to a person in another room and go, yeah, what's going on, man? And they're like, nothing, what are you doing? I'm just, I'm so ticked of this, man. Like, James was talking to me and I'm tired of it man like you know what i'm talking about right james is the other you have yeah you know i mean sometimes and then what happens is the negativity and the

demoralization starts spreading from person to person where they get angrier and angrier then they all start going to each other this this has happened at every office i've worked my argument's always been you need to have a company-wide meeting you need to have a pizza party you need to make people feel but you can can't just fire everybody, but this is what they do. They churn and burn. They just burn through people. I'm wondering if a component of this is somebody who wants James O'Keefe ousted from the organization, wants control of the assets and resources, is going around telling people like, yeah, that time he yelled at you, remember? And they're like, oh yeah, and they took that woman's sandwich. Yeah, yeah, like that time he yelled at you, remember?

And they're like, oh yeah. And they took that woman's sandwich. Yeah, yeah, he did do that. And then a week later, they're like, remember when you told me, you told me that he yelled at you and took that woman's sandwich? Yeah, we wrote that down, signed the paper and they go, oh, okay.

The thing is, once you make accusations against people too, regardless of what the truth is and regardless of how easy it is to disprove it, they'll run with that narrative. in new hampshire for example there was this uh senate senator race going on there was uh don baldick against maggie hassan and joa from breaking the flaw who's a co-host on free talk live with me he was at this protest and he was definitely you know being annoying and getting in people's faces but he never touched anybody never laid a hand on anyone and don baldick basically just lied and said that he attacked him and hit him and um you know there was video footage of everything that was going on and we

released it from the libertarian party in new hampshire showing that they never touch each other at all or anything but it just ran with it and then the democrats were picking it up too even though they could use this as an attack against baldick they knew that it you know it would have been very easy to say like look this guy isn't telling the truth but just because a narrative was put out there it's impossible to disprove it even if you have all the video footage and everything so well there's that's because there's a there is a motivated block of people to the motive a block of people that are motivated to believe it or at least to spread it even if they don't actually believe it pile on culture yeah which is like it's it's it's

a tough justification to not utilize false accusations against your enemy because it's like they're your enemy and you need to win if it's the combat state of mind conflict anything to get the job done in those situations but when like the culture when you're having communication it's like i mean i, I know that desire. Like I want this so bad that I'm willing to accept falsehoods to get it. It's just not the right ethics. I think that's sloppy tactics though.

I think that the move, if you're smart, you sit back, you evaluate the battlefield, you wait, you find something accurate, something that will literally pierce the enemy's heart, if you will, and that's what you go for. Like, I mean, obviously maybe you can make disinformation or work for you sometimes, but I think in the long run, it's a a failing strategy but sometimes it's just a really long run

you wish it would go faster i'm not so confident that it actually is a failing strategy uh yeah i mean it all's fair in love and war is a phrase for a reason uh underhanded tactics frequently work even if they're under underhanded and uh i think that you see that in modern politics pretty clearly i mean it's not it's not rare for a politician to lie about their opponent or to exaggerate or to pick up uh a republican that attacks a republican it's not unusual for a democrat to pick up the the attack if the person is leading. So I really do think that the all's fair in love and war thing is predominant in

this particular issue. But how do people feel about the government right now? How do they feel about Congress? It might be how much is your time preference? How long are you willing to look out in the future? So here we are now where the Congress is at its lowest level ever. But everyone hates Congress for different reasons. You ask most people and they are happy with their own congress people the people

they don't like are the congress people that get in the way of the policies that their congress person is looking to you know looking to push forward after last night we did a show at congress and lauren bobert's office i gained a new love for those people and that building and the the congress itself it felt very inviting like it it a lot of people those people and that building and the Congress itself, it felt very inviting. Like, a lot of people really want to do good. It was real inviting. And they have different tactics. It was real inviting one day.

I'm trying really hard not to make a January 6th joke, Phil. It was shocking how at home I felt there, how, like, good it felt. The people are, like, at this level of what we talk about on the show. Like, all of them are at this. I think then I guess there's a lot of probably older Congress people that aren't fired up. And those people are just like, you know, playing,

paying the bill to get by. I'm not as interested in that mentality, but the young people that want to provoke change and stop crazy change is like, I'm all on board with that. So my, my Congress approval rating is up after yesterday, personally.

Wow. But I will point out, we're not at war. This is not a war. So if people are using false accusations to get James ousted, it's not war, and all is not fair in legal battles. So if they're doing something underhanded,

I think that that's going to get some people in a lot of trouble. So we have this video here, and it's from Project Veritas, and I don't know who this guy is. It says, Busted, Pfizer CEO Albert Borla relies on aggressive security tactics to escape Veritas journalist's questions. Do you know who this guy is?

I'm not trying to be a dick to him. I don't know who he is. What's his name, Albert? No, this guy right here. This journalist that they have. Not yet. So people started telling me, hey, they removed James O'Keefe, stripped him of his authority, put him on paid leave, have explained almost nothing.

We had to get leaked this letter explaining what people were claiming, which sounds outlandish, and we've not gotten a response from James. Then they put out a video with some other dude. I don't know, at the very least. James Lalino, Project Veritas reporter, standing outside the Conrad Hotel in Washington, D.C. I just got to say this, you know, isn't it, doesn't it, I tweeted this morning that all the drama was part of a plan because I was joking. And it was, people took me seriously.

I said, I was like, Stephen Crowder on The Daily Wire and me in The Quartering and Veritas and James O'Keefe, you don't think it's a coincidence, do you? Phase two begins soon. And then people, like, thought I was being serious. I was just pointing out, like, why is all of this stuff happening right now and then of course you know later in the day you know i put out an apology to jeremy because i don't i don't think any of us have any differences in the level of you know what our what our real cultural and

ideological battles are in the culture war and with politics like there's no real reason for me to be you know personally mad at jeremy anything like that like bickering like this like and i'll say that for me like i have no reason to even bring it up sure if he was trying to put microchips in you and track your movement then i'd say you speak up or you know sterilize kids yeah and things like that central planning that's why i'm like watching the veritas stuff watching the crowder stuff and all of this happening in the past couple of weeks and these other stories about people get these republicans getting shot i'm kind of like hey yo let's not like i i don't know man look y'all can tell me i'm wrong about everything you can insult me you can say uh tim you did bad i will accept all of that i don't want this to

fall apart i will i will gladly accept you can unsubscribe, you can unfollow, you can not be a member anymore. I will gladly step back and say the worst possible thing right now with all of this going on is infighting. And I'm sorry. I don't want this to happen. I don't want things to get worse. This freaks me out. So I'm sure there's like multiple levels of drama. But as far as the right having this civil war, I'm actually extremely glad it's happening.

I think Jose might agree with me because it seems to be separating the wheat from the chaff in a lot of ways. Like this whole DeSantis versus Trump stuff that's going on and just seeing everyone turn on each other, seeing, you know, Matt Gaetz actually stand up against McCarthy being elected speaker, stuff like that. Like it's uncomfortable but it's actually kind of like forcing the right to evolve if you know what i mean it is but what you know the reason i i i think matt gates is fantastic yes i said this on the show the other day and he brought it up that he's my favorite member of congress and i'm like well look man he defended ilhan omar someone he shouldn't on a principled ground that made sense. And I respect that. And then he voted to have her removed on a logical ground that made sense.

And I'm like, I get what he's doing. So, you know, he said he gives Speaker McCarthy an A rating now. They stood up. They did what they had to do. They stood up on principle. When it came to Swalwell and Schiff being removed from their committees, he said, that makes sense. They lied about intelligence I agree he said removing Ilhan Omar because she's had things you don't like doesn't seem to make sense it doesn't sit well with me however Ilhan Omar voted to remove

Marjorie Taylor Greene and Gosar so that's the standard she set so he's I'm like that's actually logical that makes sense I can respect that tremendously so when looking at the the McCarthy stuff that I'm in favor of you know them standing up to the establishment saying we get these concessions but i don't see any net gain in all of us at the base level fighting with each other at all i i i don't i don't see any of us succeeding if all all of a sudden the exact same time we all find reason to have beef with each other you know what i mean it helps you identify good faith actors in my opinion yeah that's that's really yeah i know it splits things up and it to me i see i see like crises and stuff like it's almost inevitable

i think you're almost better to make the best of it and what this was was this was a you're able to identify things from here you're able to see who your in-group was who your out-group was uh who's willing to act in good faith who's not i mean that's not to say there are perfect actors on the inside but you can tell uh i mean throughout all this drama there's been so many crazy claims and it allows you to be like yeah i probably won't work with that person probably not gonna interact with them etc etc you don't have to cause a problem over it but it allows you to be able to see the battlefield what's going on etc etc yeah this is this is the challenge that i basically see with all of this stuff is you know vera this should not be having

a veritas at all if they've got problems with james, you know, this should not be happening at Veritas at all. If they've got problems with James O'Keefe, they should not have handled this way. This is horrible mismanagement. Made me take stock of what I was doing and I'm like, I shouldn't be so reckless and brash and arrogant at the same, because like I see that and then it reflects on me.

What am I doing? This is a bad way to handle it, especially if we're trying to be strategic and tactful so that we can focus on issues like, don't know people smuggling eggs over the mexican border because the prices are so insane like things we actually have to accomplish because we're concerned that they're letting non-citizens vote in washington dc or new york or are outright as many people are pointing out censorship due to people filing false privacy claims or legal challenges exploiting the system to gain some kind of political power.

And I can respect that. So at that point, I'm just like. Discover the magic of Bad MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck. Pull up a seat and check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer. From roulette to blackjack, watch as a dealer hosts your table game and live chat with them throughout your experience to feel like you're actually at the casino. The excitement doesn't stop there. With over 3,000 games to choose from, including fan favorites like Cash Eruption, UFC Gold Blitz, and more. Make deposits instantly to jump in on the fun and make same-day withdrawals if you win.

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And then I see these two Republicans in Jersey get killed, and I'm kind of like, okay, guys, let's get serious. We're, you know, we're, let's like, let's get serious. Yeah, we're lucky to be able to experience drama in a conversational way that's we're very privileged in this society to be able to hash it out with words before it would ever come to anything other than that we can we can you know i put it this way i might i met you you mentioned it allows you to see who you might not want to work with and who you want to work with we can see the camps right the audience size is here and a different audience here and there's some overlap and some people get mad this way and some people get mad that way. And I'm just like, but why are we mad

at each other? I shouldn't be doing that because the people over there are doing really messed up stuff. They're lying to the American people. They're spreading false intelligence. They're putting ankle weights on a president who gave us the best economic numbers in a generation and then resulted in us getting a Joe Biden

who gives us some of the worst. And I'm kind of like, yeah, I think we've got to make sure we're focused on that stuff. You know, I... Oh, I was thinking... Go for it, Reno. You triggered him with the Trump economics. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, that's...

I do have to address that. I mean, we were definitely... When Trump ran for president in 2016, he even said, we're living in a bubble. It's going to pop. This isn't actually a good economy. Until he was president, then suddenly it was the greatest economy in the world until it crashed when he's gone. You know, I don't think that has much to do with uh trump or biden or obama it's more about the federal reserve policies we had over that time but that aside

i think it's important i think the fox in the hen or the the wolf in sheep's clothing is more dangerous than the fox in the hen house so So an obvious enemy is less of a threat because it's easy to point out, it's easy to say this person is dangerous and they're against what we stand for. When you have somebody, I would say like Trump, who virtue signals on a lot of important issues, but then nine times out of 10, when it comes down to it,

he goes along with whatever the establishment wants. I think that's more dangerous. I mean, under Bideniden you've had legitimate right-wing opposition to what he's been doing if trump were still president right now i don't think you'd have nearly the amount of solidified um opposition to what's going on in the white house i mean because we saw that in 2020 but when you look at wage wages and inflation right when joe biden gets and inflation, right when Joe Biden gets inaugurated, then right after he enacts a plethora of executive orders, you start to see a dramatic shift in wages starting to go down and inflation starting to go up. So you think that's a coincidence? No, I don't think it's coincidence. I mean, the CARES Act was the largest spending bill in U.S. history signed by Donald Trump in March of 2020.

The COVID Relief Act of 2020 was the second largest spending bill signed into law by President Trump in December of 2020. And so, sure, Biden's energy policy does nothing to help. It definitely makes it worse. But to act like printing trillions and trillions of dollars out of midair when we had a Republican president and locking the economy down which wasn't his fault i'm not blaming him i mean it was democrat governors sure well republican governors too yeah both but to act like that wouldn't have you know effects

regardless of whether or not he gets elected like even if donald trump got re-elected and was still president you would have 95 of this this inflation. The inflation is increasing the money supply. I mean, I agree to the extent that the spending was bad. But also, you take a look at the for one, like obviously, the energy policy of Joe Biden, but you take a look at a whole bunch of other things. I mean, they're they're they're enacting policy based on ideological ends. Joe Biden literally said he was going to end fossil fuels. Before the pandemic, the economy was the best numbers of our lives, obviously not during the pandemic. So if you get a knee-jerk reaction that results in mass spending and panic, but you have a tendency

among Democrats for harsh and total lockdown, you get a Joe Biden who starts speaking about the lockdowns only to blue states and not red states and then you know previous to this you had some red states saying no and opening back up you get a joe biden that comes into office and acts a bunch of policies you get the inflation reduction act quote unquote and then you watch in real time as inflation continually gets worse stagnates at extremely high levels or continues to get worse yeah i think if donald trump was president we probably have better academic policy i think things would probably be recovering. Well, you got a DeSantis because you had Biden. I don't think you would have had a DeSantis under

Trump. DeSantis, and I've got lots of issues with DeSantis, but when he was opposing the COVID regime in Florida, where Jose is living, I think a lot of that was because there was political will to have a dissenter to the you know the official narrative that joe biden was putting out with donald trump i think that would have been a lot less likely i think if you have a central authority figure that people can hate and they can actually oppose not just like in a virtue signaling way and not just in an emotional way but actually come out against it that's how you get an actual i think a good example of what reed's getting at is just a quick little thing the majority of gun control gets pushed through under republican presidents and the reason why is because exactly what he's saying when you have someone like a biden in office you actually get a

legitimate republican pushback whereas you have somebody like a conservative in office you know they're able to push through these huge bills or these things would typically be not conservative because no one wants to rock the boat. And I just want to clarify that if I had to compare Joe Biden with Donald Trump, I do prefer Donald Trump's policies to Joe Biden. I'm just talking from a reactionary perspective. You're coming at it from a libertarian's perspective. So the underlying statement that you're making is Donald Trump is not a libertarian, which I don't think anyone. He's not even a Republican.

Well, I mean, he's he's he's a he's a progressive Republican, probably along the lines of a Democrat. Yeah, that's and that's fair and that's fine. But if you're arguing that Donald Trump is not libertarian enough for you, that's a legitimate argument because Donald Trump wasn't trying to be libertarian. Well, I know it's fair to say that Donald Trump isn't libertarian enough for libertarian people. And, and I, I,

I mean, most of your, your criticisms, I agree because I think, you know, I, I prefer a smaller government, but holding Donald Trump to the libertarian standard and saying,

well, he's not a libertarian. And when everybody that's a Donald Trump support is going to go, duh, we don't care. I don't think that's, you know what I mean? That's not my argument. My supporter is going to go, duh, we don't care. I don't think that's a great thing. That's not my argument.

I think it's just about interplay between the different parties. My argument is actually to achieve libertarian policies is easier on a state level under Joe Biden than it would be under Donald Trump because it's easier to rally opposition to Joe Biden. Like stuff that's happened in Florida, stuff that's happened in New Hampshire. It's very easy because it's easy to rile up your right wing neighbor and say, do you want Joe Biden to be able to have federal jurisdiction over what happens in New Hampshire. It's very easy because it's easy to rile up your right-wing neighbor and say, do you want Joe Biden to be able to have federal jurisdiction over what happens in New Hampshire? And they'll say, hell no. Let's bring up this story then.

We have this from TimCast.com. Second New Jersey Republican elected official shot and killed within a week. Authorities have not identified a motive, but confirmed the victim was the intended target. This is Milford Borough Councilman Russell Heller was murdered by a co-worker at a p-s-e-n-g facility so we don't know exactly why maybe it's not political perhaps but we also had eunice dwumfer who was shot to death in a vehicle outside her home and when asked if this was political the da said that they didn't uh you know they said something along along to the effect of you know please don't make you know we

don't want to answer that right now or something like that. So I don't know if this is political, but we certainly are seeing extremist rhetoric. We just had a bunch of leftists storm into a Capitol building, oh, insurrection or whatever. And in the previous segment, we were talking about, Reid, you were mentioning that it's easier to drum up opposition to write like legitimate opposition to Joe Biden to get in Republican or libertarian policies because you have, you know, that the president and it would be a lot more difficult under Trump. But I guess looking at this, I kind of feel like even with a President Joe Biden, the media is still screaming the right is the deep threat.

You still have. I mean, is it a coincidence that two Republican elected officials were just shot and killed in New Jersey in one week? Maybe. Is it political? It might not be. I'm kind of leaning towards two Republican officials being shot and killed in the span of a week. I at least lean towards the hypothesis we should look into whether this is political considering the rhetoric from the media and everything like that. So if we've got a Democrat in office, shouldn't things be calming down, at least as far as the leftist rhetoric is?

It's more hyped up and amped up than ever. Yeah, well, I think the hype... Because they're revolutionaries that we have to worry about. I think the hyped up rhetoric is what causes a lot of the right-wing opposition to the Democrats in charge. So, for example, people who didn't pay attention to politics at all four years ago after the last two years when they're suddenly a science denying uh you know conspiracy theorist or whatever and they're an enemy of intelligence agencies or whatever

suddenly they start to care about fbi the fbi having as much power as it does they start caring about how much control the government has over what you can put into your body all these different things so yes there is a lot more uh political um turmoil but i think that that has actually woken up a lot of people who wouldn't have said things that sound like what i say nowadays four years ago they never would have dreamed of it but now it's just their regular rhetoric because they've become so used. Shifting the Overton window. Yes. The chaos kind of produced by a weak president forces people to establish local order. If you don't, they won't do it for you. Yeah, that's part of it, too. I mean, that's not what I meant, but that's part of it, too, is the weakness of Joe Biden.

People gravitate toward their governor if their governor is strong. And I like that decentralization. I would rather people invest in their own state government instead of worrying about what the federal government's doing. I'm with you on the wolf in sheep's clothing being more dangerous than the fox in the hen house, except that the obvious fool here, Joe, I'm calling you out because you surrendered to the Taliban.

The absolute mishandling of our military and the loss of life accrued by Joe Biden because of that surrender? He surrendered to the Taliban and he surrendered to China. The fact that he allowed the balloon to just cross the country without doing anything. And now it's coming out that they were monitoring and there was radio frequencies that they were monitoring. I mean, he's neglected the national security the national security of the u.s entirely so it has caused people to step up at a local level and take control of their lives but whether or not we're better off having a weak president i don't know because that loss of life in afghanistan is absolutely that's going to hang on my i just got to talk about afghanistan real

quick because the problem with afghanistan is that we stayed too long joe by uh sorry donald trump made a deal with the taliban that we would be out of afghanistan i think it was may 1st of 2020 was that 2021 yeah 2021 yeah and then joe biden came in and he was an arrogant ass and he said no we are going to leave on september 11th because i'm not going to have donald trump's stupid afghan Afghanistan withdrawal plan. So he stayed an extra, what, four and a half months, didn't get people out,

and the Taliban... That's not the problem with Afghanistan. The problem with Afghanistan was he got the combat troops out. What you do is you point guns at all the bad guys and get your people out

and leave the guys with the guns pointed at the bad guys on the ground, and the guys with the guns pointed at the bad guys on the ground and the guys with the gun with the guns they leave last or nobody got everybody out and that was the problem so it was being killed on cars outside the air force base by taliban he abandoned bagram air force base yeah i mean if you want to withdraw from afghanistan and i agree like we should not have been there we should have been there at all yeah but the one thing you do is you tell the local security partners, the Afghan forces,

hey, go set up security over the next two weeks to lock down the Air Force Base to secure these areas. They needed to make sure that they had logistics for their aircraft, for the helicopters,

for the jets or whatever they were using. One of the problems we heard was that there were people, Afghan security forces, literally flying at the time when Biden abandoned the country. And all of a sudden, all their logistics get cut off and they have no idea what's going on. The Taliban, without communication, there was no defense force.

And so we learned in the middle of the night, they abandoned the Air Force Base, say nothing. And locals went in and started looting the place. They gave everything to the Taliban. That's why I call it a surrender. Because literally, you surrender equipment or items or people. the place they gave everything to the taliban that's why i call it a surrender literal you surrender equipment or items or people well what reed and jose are talking about is strategy which is the way that you know biden came in and wanted to have the the exit on september 11th for a look but the major problem with the withdrawal from afghanistan was tactical it was the way that they

actually did it they didn't set security to get the the non-combatants out to get the get the people that were helping the americans whether they be afghans or whether they be other other countries or whatever the net of the u.s nationals all the civilians all the the you know whether you like cia or not get all the cia assets out get all the assets out and then you take big army out then you take the guys with the guns out and the guys with the guns all point guns at everybody and say no you're not doing anything and then they they all get on a plane and leave but you don't take the the security forces out first it was the major problem was tactical i agree with you on that like i mean there's no disagreement that the civilians come out first but when you make a deal with the taliban which is the most official government in afghanistan we will be gone in may which is what donald trump

told them in 2020 yes and then joe biden comes in and drags his feet he doesn't get the people out of there and like you said take the military out last be out by may that's what he should have done yes well i i argued that if you give your enemy a date, I'll be out by January 1st. January 1st comes and you're like, you know, I'm not ready. This is war, dude. Yeah, exactly. You wait till I leave because we are at war.

I mean, they're lucky they're still alive. The Americans could have nuked the entire country if they wanted to. Well, they look at it the same way, though. The Taliban, if you've made a deal with them, like we're going to be gone by this time, and then you're not. I mean, they feel the same way, though. The Taliban, if you've made a deal with them, like, we're going to be gone by this time, and then you're not. I mean, they feel the same way that we feel about them attacking our guys.

It's like, look, dude, you said you were going to be gone. You're in our country. And that wasn't even the first day, I think, we've given them. We've kept them jerking their chain for forever, I believe, setting state after date after date. There was at least multiple other ones, from what I recollect. I'm not as good in foreign policy as you. It just ended up being, like, I think it was actually september 1st when we left it ended up being i'm all about the horrendous why were we even there

in the first place it's insane get out as soon as possible but it wasn't done right no no disagreement i think it would have been a crap show either way to be honest i mean don't be wrong i think there's definitely probably room to say you know could have been handled better maybe trump's plan was better i don't know but at the end of the day like i don't think like let's be real the taliban's a taliban and we didn't really have anything set in place nor would we ever have something in place to to to resist this so it was going to be a crap show no matter what it's just a matter to what degree now i think like i think the military i think the military knows that there is a proper way to withdraw forces from a hostile area i think the military like there's i think there are better ways probably yes well yeah i is a proper way to withdraw forces from a hostile area.

I think the military, like there's... I think there are better ways probably, yes. Well, yeah, I mean... I mean, I don't think there's going to be any situation that ends up looking good, you know? Well, I mean, I don't know, but you, I don't know. I think that they probably could have kept, I think they probably could have kept things cool. They could have kept down a little bit.

I mean, like you don't need bombs going off and you don't need to take your security force out before you get your citizens out. You also had Trump's generals lying to him about the status oh yeah how things were in those countries you know you have a train wreck yeah i was saying this the other night with the members of congress if we were able to get another trump term without the weights on his legs with russiagate and the other lies and the manipulation of the nonsense i think things would be would go swimmingly it would be It would be amazing what we would see.

I genuinely believe Trump wanted us out of these foreign wars. I genuinely believe he wanted us to have no involvement as world police. I genuinely believe he wants to secure our borders, bring factories back and start improving these things. You know, I think, like you guys were saying, he's a 90s Democrat or whatever. But what you get with him is Russiagate, investigations, lies, manipulations, Ukrainegate, impeachment scandal. And so even with all of that, I've heard from so many people back in 2019 about how it was the best year of their lives in terms of making money and seeing their companies grow and getting better jobs. Now we have Joe Biden and everything's just bad.

I mean, it's bad. I talk about this local racetrack they got horse track they want to reopen the restaurant so you can hang out have a burger and watch the horses run that sounds like an awesome time but they can't find any workers we we tried getting people to come out here and do work on our hvac and they just ghost us it's crazy how how messed up it is right now i wonder i wonder if you guys listening at home are experiencing similar things where like people just don't want to work and i think what we were saying we were hearing the other day from byron donalds is that with the stimulus package and the money that was being

given out pushed largely by democrats you get demand at high but supply low because nobody is working to produce anything it's going to drive prices way up. Oh, yeah, no disagreement there. And this isn't to excuse any of Biden's policies. Biden's policies have 100% made things way worse. But we were already living in a bubble when, you know, after the 2008 crash, you know, things started building up. And then we were living on low interest rates. Things artificially you know more popping than they should have been there was going to be something that pricked the bubble eventually if i were donald trump i personally wouldn't have wanted to get re-elected in the end of 2020 i would have read the writing on the wall and been like it was things are gonna suck next year and the year after

regardless of who the president is it's the biden's definitely made things worse but yeah it's the boom bus cycle it's just we print a bunch of money. The money gets artificially inflated. It seems to be a better deal than it is. And we convince ourselves that's great. And so we keep on doing it, keep on doing it, until eventually the floor falls out and right back down again. Do you guys... Oh, that's the vibe I get with Jim Cramer when he...

There's a quote where he was like, it's the best year of our lives or the best... But I think what happened is the inflation balloon had expanded to its capacity. So it was like, this is the biggest the balloon has ever been. Guys, I don't think that the bubble's popped. I mean, not completely. The floor's coming out fast.

But I'm like, if you're of the opinion that the economy was overheated and they printed too much money and things are going to get bad. If you're of that opinion, things have not even come close to how bad they're going to get because the bubble in the dollar has not gone away. Me and Serge were actually talking about this before. It's funny, in the before show, whatever thing he does. Actually, my buddy Clint, Clint Russell,

we talked about this before. And he has a theory that he thinks likely probably the next 10 years China will probably collapse monetarily in some form. Now, that will likely cause some sort of deflationary pressure, which will then boost us back up. And so then we get that juice that like, you know, woo, everything's great. It's awesome. He said China? China. Just because, you know, the way they expand, how we expand.

We expand militarily. They expand with money because they're far more communist, and exponential over time is building up. So, I mean, it's just a matter of it's the same idea with the boom-bust cycle over here, but to a greater degree. So it's just a matter of when does this pop? I don't know. I would say likely.

I mean, I don't know. Somehow it could be papered over. Something else could happen. But let's say their money did bust. That would cause a deflationary pressure over here to where we kind of sort of get sucked back into a boom and if that happens then what happens when we convince ourself we're great all over again and we're like oh no problem just keep on going like we do and then the floor comes again later and it's even lower maybe uh i mean if that's the case then you you're essentially everyone's got a little bit

of time to prepare or a little more time yeah that's better but you got to be mindful and look at from a bigger picture so you understand that you can still move to new hampshire it's not too late yeah so like you're saying the u.s was spread out militarily kind of like the british empire with india for instance and then india had a revolution and britain lost all that revenue coming out of india so would it be a chinese economic revolution where like chinese companies are in afghanistan but one day those people will be like actually we live here. I just mean they're doing, they're inflating their money at a higher. Discover the magic of bad MGM casino where the excitement is always on deck.

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That's why they have whole ghost cities and stuff where no one lives. Yeah, I mean, it's not just their money it was also their architecture and everything like if you look at the ghost cities like he's talking they have the homeless problem but they also have these giant cities that nobody lives in it's almost like communism is a bad form of economics i know they're mixed they're sort of like a mixed thing i get you know when when world military superpowers start to go bankrupt they tend to look outside of their borders for resources like the nazis uh the germans when they were destroyed after world war one they almost had you could argue no choice but to invade foreign countries for to repopulate or repurpose but like if they lose their pipelines but with the petrodollar we don't have to worry about that the way past empires had to. Because people are forced to use our currency to buy things.

So we just, we don't got to do anything. We just point guns and then say, use our money or else. We just got to aid in a genocide in Yemen. So the Saudis will keep, you know, printing dollars, printing oil in dollars. Peter Zaihan, are you guys familiar with his, how to pronounce his last name? Zaihan, he's a brilliant guy. He was on Rogan a few weeks ago. On Rogan, that's so funny. Riding on his shoulders.

But he said that China would be gone in five years. I don't know what exactly he meant. Yeah. And that we'd be... It was almost like a... I'm not hopeful. I don't know what to think about that because, like, I mean, the Soviet Union dissipated relatively peacefully. Yeah. They broke up. I don't know that...

I'm not sure it was relatively peacefully. I mean, there was a lot of turmoil. Preferable. Just for how big it is. It's preferable to like an international war. But I think if you go to like the former Soviet states that are no longer Soviet states, the 90s were real rough. There are still people in Russia that long for the days of the Soviet Union because they remember the 90s and it's the 90s were really really really hard in Eastern Europe and in the former Soviet states and they don't

look at freedom the way that we do because freedom for them was full of corruption and a lot of bad people that had influence in the in the the state before just started taking things and saying well me and my boys with the guns now own this refinery or whatever so it wasn't so peaceful it just we didn't see the effects here in the u.s of the breakup of the soviet union so so clearly let's jump to this next topic we got some tim cass is big news everybody i know our libertarian guests are really excited to hear meta has reinstated Trump's Facebook and Instagram with heightened penalties. Other public figures whose accounts are reinstated from suspensions related to civil unrest will also face similar penalties. But there it is, everybody.

Maga Man is back. Donald Trump can now post on Facebook and Instagram. And he should. And he should also be on Twitter. Will he? I don't know, man. I think he's got a contract with Truth Social that says he can't for a certain period of time or something like that. But doesn't he own Truth Social?

Because I want to be clear. Trump, his social media presence was by far my favorite thing about him. I loved his Twitter. I loved how he talked about John McCain. You don't say, Reed. You don't say. I might have taken some. You're kidding, right?

It's kind of like Tim was bringing up earlier with uh if he hadn't had his like weights and don't worry i'm not saying he's a perfect guy i'm not saying he's like ron paul or something but if he did if government is a perfect guy yeah well not perfect but he's the closest idea of a politician i can think of but if he wasn't weighed down if the government didn't government it'd be super awesome yes the incentives point a certain way and like it was if you like for example i think if like a ron paul got in office i think it would probably be a similar thing either he'd take a ride down in dallas or he would end up you know some way being tied down this way or that to where he wasn't really able to get the things he done what he wanted done the same way trump was because there's certain incentives in place when

you start rocking the boat it doesn't work out well usually yeah you got to have the american population rock the boat for you and then you just make sure that you don't veto their changes when they rocket to where it needs to be rocked to. But if you go up there and try to become the president, make all the changes yourself, you're just an easy target. I mean, I honestly don't have any faith at all in like the,

in politics in general, but especially at a federal level, I think once you get down more local, you get more to where you can actually have results even down to the individual. I think as an individual, you can make your life better more than you can fix the federal government. You don't think Trump is perfect? No. Have you not

seen his body when he's golfing? It's true. Very bigly. He might be the most healthy president ever. Too healthy, actually. The healthiest. Too healthy. Yeah, too healthy. He had to slow down. Fatten up for the role. I do miss him.

I'm glad that we're starting to see him more. And I mean, I just loved the comedic value he brought to everything. He was so much fun. He initiated clown world. So much fun. I want to meet him because I'm tired of talking about him like a third person. Donald, come on the show. And doesn't he not own Truth Social?

So how could he? Did he sign his own? You guys got to get my friend Eric Jackman on here. He does the perfect Trump impersonations. You got to check out Jackman Radio on Twitter, everybody. Do a full episode in Trump character. Oh, God. Trump has seen him act as himself, and he approved of it.

He had him come up on stage and congratulated him and everything. Phil's seen it. It's great. It's a good Trump. He's losing weight, though. He's been getting in shape. So good on you, buddy. He's trying to emulate Trump's perfect health.

Awesome. So, Tim, you were saying even as an owner of a company, you can have a contract with yourself. So, I mean, I don't think he owns Truth Social 100 percent. I think they're a SPAC, so they have shareholders and stuff like that. And then in order to do this deal, if people are going to buy shares of this company, they need to know that Trump's not going to abandon it. So the company says to increase his own valuation he made a deal that he wouldn't leave he would but it's not just him there's other people involved in the company who say if we're going to do this if we're going to work a company with you you got to agree not to go to other

platforms so my understanding is that he can post on truth and then he can link to his truth post so he can post on twitter or something like i called that fat pig out and then link to his truth post. So he can post on Twitter something like, I called that fat pig out and then link to truth and then truth shows the bigger one. Only Rosie O'Donnell. And there's like a time frame too. He can post it on truth

and after a certain amount of time, he can then post it on Twitter or somewhere else. But he's got to get back on his platforms, man. So didn't Elon say he was going to like out, he wasn't going to allow

just nothing but posting to another platform? Wasn't there something he said about that? I think he walked that back. Okay. And the funny thing is everyone got really mad at him about that.

But that's literally the policy of every social media platform. If you use the platform just to link out to a different platform, you can get suspended or get your post removed. YouTube especially, they'll ban you outright

because people would do this thing where they'd make a live stream saying, go watch the show on Twitch instead. And then YouTube's like, no, you can't do that. Delete. So Elon says, we'll do the same thing. If you're only linking out to somebody else, we're going to, you know, you can't do that.

Everybody got mad. And Twitter's a different platform, you know. So Truth Social is owned by Trump Media and Technology Group, which is owned by Donald Trump, as far as I can tell. And Devin Nunez is the CEO of the parent company. But that parent company, Trump Media and Technology Group, merged with a company called Digital World Acquisition Corp. in 2021, October. I don't know who owns Digital World. Yeah, DWAC. Yeah. I don't know who owns that exactly, but I'm about to find out.

I love how instead of tweets, they're literally called truths. Isn't that every time? It's so weird. I don't like the brand. It's not a verb. I know, but it's so Trump. It's so the brand you don't it's not a verb i know but it's so trump it's so trumpy i just love it truth is subjective like so is trump that like that spaceship on the table is pointing to the left but for you that spaceship on the table is pointing to the right easy mr post-modernism both of our truths are correct and like literally that that that spaceship model you see right in front of you it's pointing to the

left but to you that's not true depends to you it's pointing to the left. But to you, that's not true. To you, it's pointing to the right. So our perspective is guiding our truth. So I don't like that he's claiming that he has the truth. I don't disagree with the concept you're drawing, but it's Trump. So I just love it that every time he says something, it's a truth. It's very much the way he thinks. Yeah, he's truthing.

That's the only thing he ever does. Everything is a truth but we need him back we need him back i don't i don't know why he's not he's not posting maybe it's contractual obligations i have a feeling but i think it's i think it's bad he's just not in touch with the base anymore so tim do you think he would win because i've been amazed how many people don't think he would win now yeah i'm not entirely sure i mean i see the propaganda where they claim that joe biden would beat him by eight points but i just roll my eyes at that i'm not entirely sure. I mean, I see the propaganda where they claim that Joe Biden would beat him by eight points, but I just roll my eyes at that.

I'm not sure it matters if it's Trump or ham sandwich so long as ballot harvesting and universal mail-in voting is the machine by which we're determining our elections. In 2016,

he was a wrench in the spokes of the transition of the liberal world order to the new world order. Like, he got us out of Trans-Pacific Partnership

day one, and they, without him even knowing what he was doing, probably, he was doing, probably, he was smashing up the plan and they wanted him out. But now I think the plan is out in the open and it's like kind of amorphous.

We're obviously not going techno-communist. I don't know anyone that's down to put microchips and be spied on all day by a corporation and be told when and what you can say. So I think maybe there's a lot more potential for him, but he's older. I mean, Congress, Matt Gaetz, they really are bullish on Trump. I just don't think he's in terms of his base.

The whole Vax stuff. This was definitely your thing, so I'll pass it off to you. But I just, I don't like, I mean, I'm not a Republican, but most people I hang out with, those are like, I feel like that's the base that he had, the kind of people I interact with on daily, day-to-day thing. They're all like DeSantis. That's what they're all about. That's what everyone's about these days.

So unless he changes his messaging, maybe gets on Twitter, gets riles things back up again. Maybe. I don't know. I don't see it right now, but a lot can change between now and then. Gets like a really young, famous, energetic vice president.

That could breathe a lot of life into the campaign. I mean, he needs to get back into the public space. He's been putting out these videos where he talks about his policy plans, and he's very much been addressing culture war issues. But he needs to just get on Twitter. And that's a tough thing. Elon Musk buys Twitter.

I'm sure Elon is like, please, Trump, come back because it's going to set the platform on fire. In a good way, it's going to light it up. Trump's got to get out there and post those tweets where he calls Coke garbage. Remember that one? I'll still keep drinking that garbage, though. That's what we want to see. He needs to be Trump. Trump needs to be Trump on Twitter.

He needs to be Trump in the domain where people are going to see him most. And he needs to be the off-the-cuff Trump. When I speak of my haters, I speak of them with love. It's not their fault they're born after. I love it. Not having Twitter, you are invisible. Even at my level, I just got my Twitter back this morning. I lost it in October of 2021.

Without it, it's hard to network with people. The same with his level. At the level he is, it's hard to be in touch with the world because Twitter is how politics travels now. Yeah, you become invisible in the political space. Not necessarily in the entire entertainment zone. I mean, Mr. Beast has a Twitter profile, but it's you become invisible in the political space yeah not necessarily in the entire entertainment zone like i don't know if i mean mr beast has a twitter profile but i mean it's all youtube you know once you get big on youtube for cartoons and making people laugh you don't really need twitter it's just like a but if you're in politics you absolutely need to be

connected to that i think to understand um i don't know man i wish i knew if he was on contract exclusive true social contract because where the hell is he where's well outside of that there's a conversation about how do we protect our rights on social media if what you're saying is true you can't network without twitter it's it's very difficult a technology is being granted to one political faction to use you know however they see fit another faction is getting is getting banned and suspended how do you solve for that i mean i don't think you guys are going to be all about government regulation in that regard. Yeah, what's crazy is, you know, you guys had Jeremy Kaufman on last year, I think, who's a friend of mine in New Hampshire.

He created Odyssey, which was like a free speech alternative to YouTube, and the feds have been going after him like crazy. There's been all sorts of court cases. Right now, Ben Swan, who I have networked with a little bit he's trying to create a new platform called sovereign and all these different platforms are just learning from the mistakes of the previous ones where the federal government can basically screw them over and trying to figure out how to work their way around it but i think that is the alternative is like making all just making alternatives on the point we're talking about with trump earlier

like his feet being with him same thing with this like if you're trying to you know create different ways for this to work use when we saw with twitter and it's pretty clear with facebook and probably other social medias well they're infiltrated with feds they they get you know corporate welfare this that but the little guys like odyssey all these other op starts they are have the exact opposite problems the incentives are driving things one way or the other so it's like i don't really necessarily think throwing the government in the mix is going to help. If anything, I think reducing it would be the best personally. But, I mean, I don't know. It is usually people do get a brand name.

That's what they stick with. But definitely don't let them get infiltrated with feds like Twitter did. I don't know that you can prevent social media companies from becoming infiltrated with federal agents. No, there's a way, Phil. The reason I say it is because it's too much of a honeypot. I mean, the capabilities that your average phone has to monitor the average person, the idea that the federal government isn't going to attempt to get their fingers into software that makes that possible. I don't know that you get a world without governments trying to do that.

And I don't know how you stop them either. You free software. If your code's on GitHub or GitLab or something where people can watch and see if it's tracking you, at least you know if the software itself is tracking you. The networks are, I don't know, you'll never be able to keep people out of the networks. You'll have feds undercover in the networks. But you don't want companies running social media. i don't know you'll never be able to keep people out of the networks you'll have feds undercover in the networks but you don't want it's the company you don't want companies running social media i don't i the companies can get hijacked so you want decentralized software packets that do it on if they drop the patents it'd be like that's another thing where the

government gets involved in the patent system i'm sure i mean i'm not a tech guy i'm kind of a tech idiot but if they dial back some of that some of the regulation they have there like there it makes so much easier for those for a starting point for people for like alternative like social medias and stuff back what exactly oh like uh patents because i know your your big thing is about like releasing information in the world like uh i mean i'm i don't know exactly how it works tech i'm a tech idiot but i'm assuming a lot of these things are protected between like ip type stuff yes yes so and i know that's a common point you touch on a lot. Yeah, I brought that up last night to Jim Jordan

that one way, instead of breaking up a company, Monopoly, like Twitter or Alphabet, by smashing it into seven different companies and then giving the CEO of Alphabet access to all the code

from all seven companies, which would be counterproductive, counterintuitive, you would actually force them to free their software code or aspects of their software code that would let other people compete. I would be completely miserable if that happened to apple and the

reason is i want apple to have tight control over their products because i am willing to pay extra for the synergy that comes when you use apple products when i open up my my uh my ear pods for the first time they automatically find the phone, et cetera. Apple products are made to work together. As soon as you open up the code and you essentially are just turning Apple products into other is you don't know how reliable the company that produced whatever piece of software you have is or whatever piece of software you want to use. You don't know how reliable they are. You don't know how the quality control is. You don't know what that piece of software is going to do to other software in your computer.

I stick with Apple stuff because I know that Apple controls it and Apple controls it tightly. And I know that this is probably an unpopular opinion for a lot of people, i don't say you're rolling a one yeah it's because when they can i don't but i don't want people i don't want people getting into apple and saying well you have to do this and making apple stuff work uh taking away the synergy that apple's products have i like the way apple products work and i don't want some government person getting involved and saying apple's too big has too much control so we want to stick our nose in and say that you have to do this and have to do that there's two aspects of like when you're building software is um compatibility like ease of ease of use and then a security is one of them apple is very low security we don't

know what their security systems are doing if they're tracking you if they're selling your dna they told the fbi to to pound sand when they were trying to get that terror, the dude they were accused of terrorists. They wanted to unlock his phone. And Apple's like, yo, we're not doing it because you'd have to make a back end into the thing. So granted, you can't predict the future. But I was happy with that result that they told the FBI to go F off, you know? So Apple's a big no for me, dog.

Just I'm not. I get it. We had, you know, we got one Apple machine here out of all the machines because we had someone who was like, well, I know how to use Apple. And it's just been a disaster. I was like the integration is the opposite of what you're describing. Yes. For Apple with using other IBM stuff. But if you know, like you can't even like hard drives, for instance, it's like we want to transfer data between hard drives.

You could take a hard drive between any any PC, but not between Apple. Yeah. But like apple is one company versus the eight million other companies that's part of why i don't want to mess with apple because there's all these other options yeah but then the hard drive would work between other computers so instead it's like we plug the hard drive in it's like there's no data on it and we're like well it can work in literally any of the various pcs from different brands different companies different laptops but not the apple yeah That one we have weird problems with.

They're finally adopting USB-C, I think. They kept building their own plugs. They have to. I think Europe passed a law saying they have to use a standard so it's going to be USB-C. I was deep on free software last night thinking about, so I started to think about the wet arms manufacturers. I'm like, okay, liberal economic order is basically

Lockheed Martin, Boeing, there's five of them, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, and General Dynamics. But then there's the British one, BAE Systems. So the six of them together comprise about $140 billion of arms dealers. Five of the six largest arms dealers on earth are in America. They are supplying us directly with our own weapons. And I was like, would I force them to free their software code? Arguably, hell no.

And how would I do that? Because then you're giving your weapons systems to the potential enemy. I don't like thinking in terms of friend and enemy, but they do. The weapons manufacturers sure are. I'm like, can't we just blow up bombs on Mars to heat it up? No, these are actual tactical games

they're playing with weapons. They want to fight. That's what this system, they seem to want to. So, I'm sorry. No, go ahead, Phil. So I think there are times that you don't want to open source the code but when it comes to social media and information i am bullish uh what were you saying no i just i think that that uh nowadays the the chips and most of your microchips and stuff are not made in the u.s and there's a

strong likelihood that they're all compromised anyways whereas they're made in China or Taiwan or whatever. We're going to dive headfirst into the shallow end with this next story about Eliza Blue, Chrissy Mayer, and all the stuff that's been going on over the past week. And we'll be as candid as possible. I'm sure we'll piss some people off. But we have this tweet from Chrissy Mayer. For those that aren't familiar,

Chrissy Mayer is a comedian and she hosts a podcast called Simpcast. And she's been on the show, I think, I think a couple times, right? It's been a couple times. We've been on the show before. And so there's been some controversy related to a guest we had recently, Eliza Blue, and some censorship actions that she's been accused of, notably filing privacy requests against people who talk about her past work. And so here we have the story from Chrissy Mayer. She says,

Eliza Blue got four of my YouTube videos removed for showing a fair and balanced doc trailer, which featured three to five seconds of her public, at the time now removed, world star hip hop video. Must be nice to have the power to rewrite history, then gaslight Twitter and YouTube into accepting it. Now, I'll say, is that right? You know, I said previously, I'm uninterested in this. And I'll kind of, you know, I think this is this got to the point where

literally right before the show, I saw this tweet, and I'm like, okay, okay, guys, you got me. All right. Like, I'm starting to see and learn more. That's having me question what that what's going on if YouTube videos getting pulled, and we're hearing that a bunch of people actually had YouTube videos getting pulled. And so this clearly is a bunch of people actually had YouTube videos getting pulled. And so this clearly is an abuse of the system to a degree that we've not seen for a while now. It used to be in the early days of YouTube, there were attempts by political rivals to falsely flag and get people's content removed. And now it seems like we're seeing an uptick in this, particularly pertaining to Eliza Blue. The first thing I'll say is, as it pertains to the issues related to me personally,

you know, look, man, I say it a million times. I'm an arrogant shithead. And so don't come at me and yell and scream in my face and think I'm going to bend the knee and do anything for you. And I will tell everybody right off the bat, we had this person on the show that I don't care too much about. I don't follow her career. I don't know much about her. I don't handle booking. We 've had her on the show two times. But all all of a sudden we found ourselves inundated with and i'm not saying you guys got to be very careful because when i said that there was a pr firm running like 50 accounts everyone started claiming i called literally the millions of people who are watching these videos bots and i never said that yeah but we started we got some very gruesome um gruesome is my not the right word but let's just say you know people crossed the line with what they were sending to us

and the images they were posting of people easiest way to get me to be like I will not give you what you want but here's what I have to say about this there are a lot of people who are genuinely concerned about what we're seeing in terms of what Eliza Blue's done and her past work and there's a big difference between those people

and the very few people I am directly criticizing the people who are posting just really awful photos and videos, sending awful things to us. And I want to make sure that people understand because there's still this, you know, here's what I said earlier, following the Project Veritas stuff, following, you know, obviously the Crowder Daily Wire stuff, following these Republicans getting shot. I'm reading this. I have a source contact me. They say, we want you to read this letter, check this out. And I'm like, okay, well, we're going to publish this. And I'm reading this and I'm like, yo, if all of this bad stuff is

happening right now to various organizations and everyone's fighting with each other, that's it. Infiltrate, destroy, right? Divide and conquer. Yeah, I'm not going to be all about that, right? So I said outright to Jeremy Hambly of The Quartering, look, I apologize. I don't want to be fighting with you. We agree on way too much for me to be bickering or complaining about something that is like one issue where, you know, ultimately probably agree mostly on it, but there's like a personal issue that's making, you know, me upset or something like that. When I'm looking at, we have another story we'll talk about in a minute, a woman saying that she used to work in gender affirmation for children and now she's realizing how bad it is.

I'm like, there's a lot more things that we all agree on that we need to be focused on. My biggest concern with all of this is, obviously censorship is bad, but if I'm going to get distracted and personally aggrieved or whatever, and that means infighting will erupt, that takes us off mission, we're being played. We're being played. And so I'll say this to you right now. When I came out with my video earlier and said exactly that, like, Jeremy, I shouldn't be fighting with you. I shouldn't be – like, that's not what we should be doing. That's not what I should be doing. So I apologize.

Jeremy put out a video saying he apologizes. I have tremendous respect for that, and I sincerely apologize. There are still people trying to drum up this infighting, and that is exactly what I'm talking about. When all this starts, and I'm this guy who's sitting here like, look, man, I don't know anything about her.

We booked her on the show because she's on Twitter, and she's a prominent activist. I didn't know that people had beef with her, and I don't know what that beef is. We get people sending us, let me just say like, videos that, photos and videos

that I just think are, would make a dad, you know, like if a dad found out people were doing about his daughter, he'd end up in jail, that kind of stuff. So you want to come at me

and my friends with these really horrifying things and I'm going to be like outright not getting anywhere near this. But I genuinely and legitimately understand that's not most people. So I hope all of you understand that there are people still right now trying to get us

to keep fighting. I'm not going to do it. I will outright say, especially upon seeing Chrissy Mayer get her videos taken down, I'm absolutely wrong about that. I was personally slighted and that put blinders on me. I don't want to fight with anybody.

I will keep being an arrogant shithead and I will say that, but I also recognize we shouldn't be fighting if we can avoid it and we can focus on things that are more important. So the only thing I can say,

just one last thought, is please keep an eye out for those who are still in the chat right now desperately trying to get me to get angry and to fight with you guys when I'm saying, no, wait, man, we need to come together on this. I think the big thing here is people, like they say in soccer, if you're a defender, keep your eye on the ball. And I think so many people got their eye off the ball in this story. And like you pointed out, with the censorship, I don't know if you pointed out the legal action she threatened supposedly online.

I think those are things that are worthy of derision and worthy of looking into and see what is going on here why is this happening maybe there's more to the story but this thing got taken so out of control and to such a level to things that had nothing to do with it her past which took me wrong like sure that like maybe like discredited her or something but that i don't personally myself i couldn't care if she made up all of that that's not pertinent information to me the what is pertinent to me is did she threaten legal action against people and is she getting accounts taken down? I don't know.

I'm open to it. It seems that way. It seems to imply. I read Shane's latest article. It seems there's something building there, maybe some sort of argument. I don't know. I'm still open to. And the people criticizing Tim Cass for not jumping in already, they literally had a guy

there. And it was clearly not a fleshed out story. So why would you comment on something before it's a fleshed out story? But here's, here's what I think too. And I can't speak for Shane, right? I will,

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I told Shane I didn't think the story was worth it. I don't know anything about it. And I said to him, if you do this, you need to sit down with Jeremy Hambly. And we need to do like two different profiles of like, what is the big picture here? Here's the problem. And we got baited. Because the things that were sent to Shane, I guarantee you, like, and again, I can't speak for him. Saki said this to me.

But I do know that people posted very inappropriate things about his family. You do that, you guarantee. That's bait. They were trying to get us to fight. And so I've now had people saying, like, bro, it's an op. Like, they're trying to make you fight each other. What I was saying is it's a PR firm that I think was trying to promote uh eliza because it worked in making her famous having john rich come on here and be like who is this eliza i'm hearing about now and

i'm like man that's so convenient for her and i'm specifically referring to obviously not like a youtube channel where they're talking about it i'm referring to the people even still right now in the chat who are desperately trying to make us fight. And they're the same accounts that spam the same things over and over and over again, clearly inorganic, desperately trying to make conflict happen. Sometimes even real people get caught in that state of mind because it's like scratching an itch. It feels so good. But if you keep scratching, you're going to rip the skin off and make it bleed like we're in the it feels really good situation state right now. Don't keep scratching. You know, Brittany Venti good state right now. Don't keep scratching.

You know, Brittany Venti got her, got videos taken down of her today. I made a YouTube video for the first time in about a month and a half today about this on my YouTube channel,

Ian Crossland. Please check it out after the show and I'll remind you again. And I posted a link to Brittany's video. In that video, she showed clips

from this world star music video in question. This is all revolving around this one video, I think, that had been previously taken down. But Brittany still had clips from this world star music video in question this is all revolving around this one video i think uh that had been previously taken down but britney still had clips from this now removed video on her channel then that video was removed over the course of the last six hours eliza i'm concerned that shame is a very powerful dangerous feeling and if you are pushed into becoming a useful tool for cancel culture to hyperinflate cancel culture because of your, I know it's generic, afraid of your past, but just it's don't become the villain that you're looking to squash out.

That's the best advice I think I can give you right now. But if these bans are unjust, they need to be rectified. If something Brittany said in her video, she was showing screenshots of Twitter's ban thing, and they said that it was privately created or distributed sensitive content. That has a Twitter role. It was publicly distributed sensitive content. It was not private. It was taken down for being a privately sensitive piece of content. How sensitive is it, really?

It was the music video. She made the video. She was proud of content. How sensitive is it, really? It was the music video. Yeah, she made the video. She was proud of it. She was, you know, ostensibly, she was spreading it around back in the day. I think that's up for debate. But I think for the sake of argument, we say it is sensitive content. But it was public sensitive content. So Twitter, reinstate Britney.

That ban is unjust, in my opinion. Simply put, and just to go back to, like to our position on this, I think I got tricked. I think we all got tricked here into taking out our anger on people like Jeremy and Britney. I think, so I was like, I don't want to get into too much detail about what was happening to us, but these are my friends and people I care about. And I don't want to call them threats or anything, but the stuff we were getting sent was, let's just put it triggering. If someone sent you the stuff that we got sent,

you'd probably react the same way. And then when, you know, I was looking at, I made this joke tweet earlier. I was like, Daily Wire, Project Veritas, me in the cornering, it's all, you thought it was a coincidence, wait till phase two or whatever, like as a joke. People thought it was real. And then I stopped and kind of thought about it when i was reading the veritas

letter and i'm like people were saying is it a coincidence that right after the pfizer thing comes out you know we have the grammys brought to you by pfizer we do this big thing complaining about it all of a sudden we're getting slammed with these people claiming to represent a group of people but they're sending us some of the most abhorrent and awful things you could imagine pissing us off and making us fight and then i'm just like yo nah i'm not doing it you're not you you got me you you got me for a few days but i'm not gonna do it now and to some of the nicest people i've ever met the two people in question i've i've interacted with them met one of them personally and like even with a limited time i met them they genuinely are some of the

nicest people who are you talking about uh the one person because i'm sure we don't want to name name the name to deflate it no oh i don't care then and then shane cashman so uh shane met i've only met him online uh done one show with him he came on my show for pony boys which is a joking ripoff of four horsemen uh because we're buddies and so who cares uh but yeah i found him on show he's like the nicest guy i ever met and super interesting fella and just for this to happen to someone like that not that it makes it better who they are but it's just disgusting this is this is the thing too it's like even before we did anything we were getting sent awful stuff and getting attacked and then so i was like okay well we're gonna cover this and then it ramped up and got crazier and then of course i'm like i got an

internal conversation with shane and i'm saying like i don't know if we can handle whatever this is or what they're doing and he's like oh we got to tell the story man you know it's something I realized I I recommended well so I mean Shane's clearly pissed I don't know I think we talked to him the plan now is maybe as soon as possible is to have Chrissy Mayer on with Shane and then just hash all this stuff out because I think we're being played I love that Brittany Venti and Eliza on at some point in the future after we work through these cycles. I think it's fantastic. This is this kind of thing we can avoid in the future

if we talk about it now. You know, I realized we have a responsibility to talk about this stuff. It's not stuff I want to do. I don't want to get dramatic and talk about my friends online. I don't know who did what and who said what, but when it comes to banning

and people losing their livelihoods, like if someone's banned from Twitter, that could be their life, their income and it's our this show tim me we we have a responsibility to talk about cancel culture and social media censorship i don't it's it's just like you know with great power comes great responsibility and you have to make personal sacrifices the sacrifice we have to make we have to talk about this stuff i think that it's pretty clear that i don't imagine that people thought that the TimCast brand was pro-censorship because of this stuff. But I mean, there's a lot of people in the chat that are, like you said, that are still looking to stir it up, that are looking for issues.

A lot of lies, too. That was the thing about it is I'm seeing people post videos being like I'm canceling my membership at Timcast.com and stuff like that. And we gained over a thousand members in the past week, which is three times what we normally do. I think everybody involved in this has become more famous

as a result of this whole thing. It's called infighting. Steven Crowder is way more popular than he was two months ago. Daily Wire, a lot more people heard of Daily Wire. When saw that meme of you with jack murphy's beard on your face i was like people that you've never heard of now that don't even aren't in politics are hearing about you yeah but that's it's it's not a good thing when we're arguing with each other about this instead of talking about this next story which you need to see no it can be a good thing if we if we make it right no i don't like infighting i don't like i don't like that as some

as a means to generate notoriety like if we're gonna if we're gonna uh if you want drama let's have drama with this take a look at the story from from the free press i thought i was saving trans kids now i'm blowing the whistle there are more than 100 pediatric gender clinics across the u.s i worked at one what's happening to children is morally and medically appalling i mean that's the gist of her story it's a woman who worked for four years at a clinic as a case manager, responsible for patient intake and oversight. I left the clinic in November last year because I could no longer participate in what was happening there.

By the time I departed, I was certain that the way the American medical system is treating these patients is the opposite of the promise to do no harm. Instead, we are permanently harming the vulnerable patients in our care. I'm segueing here, but I want to mention, this is the kind of story that makes me be like, guys, you know what, man?

I will eat humble pie. I will do whatever. I need your help on this one. I don't want to fight with people about drama stuff. We shouldn't do that. I shouldn't do that. I'll say whatever I have to say to calm everybody out, to chill everybody out. And that's on me.

I'll take that because this is the kind of stuff that makes me feel like, look, look, I've been talking on this channel for a long time about just getting a van down by the river and just letting it all go away. And the problem with that is every time I imagine how much more fun, in a sense, my life would be if I just said, I'm done working 16-hour days. I'm done running a company. I'm going to go hang out by the river and just catch some fish and just breathe the fresh air. And then I think about five years after that, people will be locked up in camps. Kids will be getting castrated. Money will be worthless castrated money will be worthless and i'm like

yeah if we stop doing what we're doing or if we turn on each other this is the kind of stuff that doesn't get exposed i believe this woman who's coming out here is coming out now and saying hey what they're doing to kids is wrong is likely doing it not completely because of the work that we do or people like like the quartering or whatever but partially as a grain of sand making that heap the more we promote individuals calling this out the more people will wake up to what the cult is yeah and if we do nothing and if we fight with each other yeah and i'll take responsibility on that if i keep doing that if i keep getting pissed off and telling people to go screw themselves i'm gonna wake up one day in a world where this is the norm 100 i just spent the past week in LA working, doing ATR stuff.

And I know a lot of the very left-leaning people and spending time in Los Angeles and Hollywood and stuff. Those are the kind of people that you run into. And even people that you would consider left-leaning, they have kids and they hear about this kind of stuff. And they're just like, yo, no, this is where I draw the line. And they don't want to talk about this kind of stuff and they're just like yo no this is this is where i draw the line and they don't want to talk about it in public they don't want to admit it because it's you know it's a dangerous thing to to be to condemn this kind of stuff because there's all kinds of associations that people on the left make if you condemn this this something these kind of gender surgeries, gender reassignment surgeries.

But parents are over it. Parents don't want it. Doesn't matter if they're left or right. Parents are strongly of the opinion that this stuff is bad. And without people like this show, like the people that we have on here pushing back on this stuff, people't come out and say hey this stuff is bad they don't have the the intestinal fortitude or whatever to stand up and say hey no i'm i really have this uh this this of this this problem with these procedures and stuff so it is important work matt walsh went down to loudon county and he spoke about critical race theory and gender ideology in

these schools it is this kind of work where look man, man, I don't agree with Matt Walsh on a lot of things, all right? He's a bold guy, to put it mildly, but I think, you know, in a future where there is factions of Matt Walsh's, the disagreements we have is sitting at a table and him being like,

look, Tim, I just don't agree with you on how we're going to be implementing a policy like that. And then me saying things like, well, look, I don't know, but I'll see you at the ballot box. Whereas today, it's people bringing kids in for castration. You know what I mean? I wonder about you guys, you know, Jose and Reed. I think of you guys as the pinnacle of libertarianism. And I wonder how do you deal with this kind of stuff?

Disavow. Disavow. When you live hands off. I disavow that. I don't know if you would call libertarian hands off, but when you live like you live your life, I'll live mine. How do you what do you do when a parent across the road wants to cut their kids genitals off and turn them into another gender? Yeah. So I'm all about cultural repulsion, basically. I think that's the strongest the strongest way to go like in new hampshire uh we're really trying to create a culture of obnoxious liberty as phil can attest to not just the twitter account but just in general the anarchist abominable snowmen up in new hampshire the only reason this has taken off is because the cultural sensibility is allowing it to go on and handle these people with kid gloves if we push back and said oh yeah it's ridiculous that you

want to uh you know mess with the endocrine system of a young child at a point where their endocrine system's already in flux and mutilate their genitals and in a point where they're not really in any sort of stage to give any sort of meaningful consent in their life i don't think it's that crazy but like hey yeah you're you're nuts like to be essentially a bully to to push back culturally the opposite way i mean i'm not saying do violence to these people or anything like that but there's no reason you need to accept that as a narrative is that's okay there are people constantly saying that they're so glad that they left new hampshire because it's a bunch of libertarian idiots or whatever and we're all like good we're glad you left and they i mean they

have protests where they're calling free staters vermin invasive species that need to be exterminated that's what they're saying about us because you guys troll people yeah because we're so obnoxious and to be clear i'm not saying to do that to adults who have made this choice on their own i mean i have my personal opinions it's probably a little bit ridiculous if you start like you know but like snip snip but you know so far it's your life at that point do what you want i don't care dave smith made a great point when he said that stigma is how you peacefully discourage uh behavior that you don't like and so the idea that libertarianism equals libertine uh government we bully them a lot yeah

libertines what's that well so just because something is legal doesn't mean that you have to endorse it and that's one of the things that people that have it you know you call them state or we call them status or whatever but like that's what a status tends to think if you say i don't think this should be illegal they automatically in their brain jumped at the conclusion that you endorse the behavior and so i don't think that it should be illegal for people to get uh you know to get gender reassignment surgery that's fine you know you live your life go ahead and you know that's that's totally fine. But there's nothing wrong with stigmatizing people that want to have children or young adults get gender reassignment surgery and condemning the idea of teenagers and is a gradient. It's not yes or no. It's not black or white.

So we could ask a few questions to explore the morality of transgender surgeries and plastic surgery in general. Is it okay for an 18-year-old human being to have their hand surgically removed? 18, I say, I mean, because of the fact

that you have to have an arbitrary line, I guess 18, but you're not fully developed at 18. Well, I mean, because of the fact that you have to have an arbitrary line, I guess 18, but I mean, you're not fully developed at 18. Yes. Well, I mean, I'm a legal adult. Yeah. Do you think it's okay? Would you guys?

I mean, I don't want to. Is this an age of consent conversation? No, he did not say those three words. It should be legal, but it should be condemned. Like people shouldn't support the idea. People shouldn't encourage it. And doctors shouldn't say, let's go ahead and cut your hand off. I mean, I don't think that we should have...

What do you guys think? I agree. Should it be legal for adults to have their hands surgically removed? I think the ethical thing for a doctor is to not do it. And I think stigma comes in play. If they do do it,

they get shunned upon by the doctor's community, other people in the community, etc. This is where the Ron Paul argument about heroin comes in he he told a bunch of republicans and what was that 2012 in south carolina like if heroin was legal today how many of you would go shoot up right now and the whole crowd was like yeah none of us would i mean no one's gonna like cut off their hand you know i mean they will yeah it's it's called okay some some general general body dysmorphic disorder something that effect where people, they feel like they're,

I talked about this with the Twitter 1.0 executives when they were talking about how they got to protect trans people because they're having an identity crisis that results in depression and potentially suicide.

I said the same is true for general body dysmorphia. Anorexic, for instance, people are starving themselves to death or people who overeat and become morbidly obese and have heart attacks attacks but also people who want to have their limbs removed and they do there are many stories of uh there's one guy who had like a tree fall on his arm so that he could justify amputation because he wanted it removed from his body so cut it down on top of

his arm something like that happened yeah he had it fall on his arm so that he could justify removing it or something that effect or i think smashed it with a hammer and then claimed something like that happened and he needed to get it removed. There are people who are experiencing this, and there are questions about what is the best way to provide assistance to them. If there is no – and this is where I suppose I'm more liberal and less libertarian. If the law exists, you could shun a guy all day and night but if he's getting paid the money for it you don't care what you think here's the thing

I've been a blue collar worker for the last 10 years of my life and every time some anomaly takes place OSHA thinks they have to regulate it away from ever happening again instead of accepting people are stupid and they're going to make mistakes and dumb stuff is going to happen and having a very you know reasonable set of guidelines they make

it so now you have to wear a harness when you're four feet in the air i also want to touch so i'm just saying that like i get it justifying a law because of red herrings just leads you to a place of stupidity but i don't it's i don't think it's a red herring because those are those are things that actually happen like they're actually the. The question about removing the hand is a question of can you pay a doctor to remove a healthy body part? And the answer right now is, for the most part, yes. That's not how you actually help a person who's suffering from some body dysmorphia. So what happens is, hey, man, if the money's good, but if someone is, I'll put it this way, because this doesn't include death. What we often talk about is the Golden Gate Bridge. And every person who's jumped off

it and survived has explained that they immediately regretted it. And the one thing going through their mind was all of life's problems could be solved except for having jumped off the bridge. And so if they jump off and they end up regretting it and they live we learn that if someone says i need my hand removed and then they regret it what do we do it's it's you're never getting it back and you had that one doctor who said uh that woman who said of children who get mastectomies if they ever want if they want breasts when they're older they can just get implants like that's not the same thing you've lost them this is where stigma comes in uh good example i have a business i I breed hairless cats.

I know it sounds silly, but we deal with clients. We sell them, and this is where stigma comes in. Yes, you could have the concept of, hey, the money's good. That's it. But we even have turned down business many times because we're like, I don't like this client. I don't like the idea that this person is going to have my pet, and they're going to be a representation of my brand and and vice versa like we also have to upkeep a certain standard have a clean cat room a nice presenting house because we want to have a good looking brand because we don't want to be looked at as like crap so like the idea that uh and i'm not trying to like crap on you or anything but i'm just saying

like the idea that's just like oh as long as the money's good there's a whole lot more that goes into that and yes on an individual level there still will be like in our there's definitely people that go and sell hairless cash for like 500 bucks, which is like criminally low for them. And it's just gross. Like, and those are going to exist. But in the long run,

that is not a good way to upkeep what you're doing because it's just, it doesn't work. Like, but there will be individual situations because what system works best. Obviously in a system

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But when you have like large multinational corporations that are for-profit, you know, medicating people for life, we cut your hand off. But then you get to take our drugs, our blood thinners for the rest of your life you just touch it right there local right there local that's it i think the key is local and start focusing local because the thing is too like this kind of plays in economics as well if you have a place that has a bad economic place and and you're able to be like segmented off in this other area over time they're going to end up being a worse area to be and people are going to more likely want to come to your area that's a better system that's more you know and yeah i mean sure maybe there are people over here like awful things and they they somehow are successful

doing awful things but the other day that's not your concern because you're in your local area and you know doing what you do and drawing people that like what you do to continue that i agree that that is key but i dealing with multinational corporations that are still going to be there when we go local i mean i'm open to abolishing multinational corporations i don't know what who has the authority to do that at this point i don't think anyone um that like they are five or whoever these companies are that are that are administering the drugs not only the surgeries but the drugs to people for profit are making massive amounts of money if we don't make it illegal why would they there's

shame doesn't stop multinational corporations from making in trillions or billions the problem that that this is a a symptom of a larger problem so focusing on like what do we do about the uh you know the idea that transgender youth they're transgender teenagers are getting bottom surgery or whatever. What you really need to do is find out if they're actually transgender or not. Most of the time they end up being gay. Pardon me? Most of the time they end up being gay. That's what the stats bear out.

Well, yeah. I mean, essentially that's the long and short of it. But the fact that we've got society trying to or elements of society trying to encourage kids to transition, to encourage young people to transition. There is a monetary aspect of it with the pharmaceutical companies and with, you know, hospitals that want to do these surgeries because they're expensive and because you're getting a customer for life. But it's also the ideology that people are being taught in schools, and it comes from the culture with the whole... I think that the focus on LGBT identities as, or LGBTQ identities as novel

and something to be held up in high regard and esteem as better than normal or whatever. That's a problem with it too. You get a kid that's maybe gay or maybe bi or a girl that's a tomboy and then people start whispering in their ear, oh, you're transgender. And if they change their sex or whatever, if they change you know change their sex or whatever if they they transition that's what i was looking for if they transition they get a bunch of

attention and stuff there are all these incentives for people to do this and the incentives are the things that we need to get rid of so you can find the people that actually are intersex that actually have that are actually trans but that's that's a cultural issue yes and and it comes down to if we as a culture were homogenous in our morality we wouldn't need any laws at all nobody's going to steal from anybody else because we all completely agree so somebody runs out of food this is a but see the issue is in very small culturally homogenous systems they they work together running out of food isn't as big of a deal insurance originated as if my house burns down help me rebuild it

because if yours burns down i'll help you rebuild it, because if yours burns down, I'll help you rebuild it. Then we codified it with money, and we all pay into the system. That ultimately leads to, as the population grows and grows and grows, a segmented, fractured society where we don't talk to our own neighbors. And thus, we have a fractured culture.

So now the police are enforcing the laws because we don't completely agree. And some people say, I don't know you. I don't care about you. And I need something. So I'll take it from you. They don't they don't share the values.

I mean, you look at Chicago. You got people who use guns to commit crimes all the time, despite it being illegal. I don't care. But then you got law abiding citizens who agree not to break the law and they won't take guns. This isn't working. If everyone was on the same page and said we should all have guns, then there would be no illegal guns.

There would be no gun laws, there would be no police enforcing gun laws, and everybody would have guns. If every single person agreed there should be no guns, including the criminals, then nobody would have guns, there'd be no people getting arrested for guns, but right now people disagree, and some people don't care. So I don't know if we can ever get to that

ideological position, idealistic position of we were culturally homogenous anymore. I don't know. I don't think so. Not literally, but I'm sponsored by Pfizer. You see, I see the Grammys was sponsored by Pfizer. Like that's very concerning if you're talking about putting information and ideas into kids' brains about who's making the money off these surgeries, off these child gender surgeries. It's like pharmaceutical companies and hospitals and stuff are making money off this for profit. So unless we make it illegal, I mean, are there points in libertarianism or just in general where you guys are like, we got to think about this tonight. Are there points,

even as a, with a libertarian mind that you would use the government to make things illegal? Let's go. They won't admit it publicly. We are going to go to super chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com. If you want to support our work and our cultural endeavors, the coffee shop is underway. The new studio is underway. We got a new show planned for the morning. It's going to be a lot of fun.

And I appreciate all of your continued support. And let's read what you guys got to say. Goldie Lock says, Hey, Tim, Jeremy put out an apology video. How this drama between you and the quartering can be put behind us and we can move on as brothers in arms against the establishment. I completely agree. Colty Lock says, point nine nine nine percent of things and then i'm just personally aggrieved because you know whatever like i got triggered then i'm kind of like why am i fighting with the guy i agree with this is this is bad for me this is bad for what i want if i want to eventually get to the point where i can go live in a van down by the river i'm going to need other people who are going to be carrying people who will be carrying on that fight to make sure things don't fall apart so i

kind of felt like you know look i look, I can be aggressive and arrogant and tell people to go screw off. This apology is more about me accepting the bigger picture and how in the end, if I think I'm going to get anything I want or achieve anything, I can't do it by myself. And fighting with other people who agree with me

is the worst possible thing for me, quite literally a stupid position to hold. So I accept that. And I have to do what I, you know, I'll do what I can. Y'all can keep being, y'all want to be mad at me, keep being mad at me by all means. There are still people in the chat who are trying to sow conflict or whatever,

but I'll put it this way. You can think I'm wrong. You can think I'm lying. You can think all those things, but it is 100% factually true that if we agree with each other on core issues, then we have to fight in the same direction. We can hate each other afterwards, after we stop kids getting mutilated or whatever.

All right. Rusty Shackleford says, Tim, please make that Eliza Blue song with John Rich. That was priceless. That was really good. John Rich just ad-libbed that song. It was interesting. That was good. Rocketsauce says, I don't always watch TimCast IRL by the pool while smoking venison at my

apartment complex, but when I do, the neighbors do too cheers that sounds really good man nick stevenson says tim 10 bucks says this is a targeted attack on project veritas by infiltrators love your work nick i kind of feel the same way and that's what made me think i should look you know i'm on twitter and i'm going off. I'm like, screw everybody. I don't care. I don't need to do this. I don't, you know, like I get so much flack. And then I started thinking about the possibility that I'm being manipulated or I'm being played.

That the people who are trying to get me mad at Jeremy are doing just that because they're trying to get us to attack each other. And then I'm like, I'm not mad at Jeremy. This is stupid i'm i'm i deeply care about like watching aoc go on stage or in congress and lie about stuff i deeply care about policy that's that's causing our economy to get worse and i deeply care about am i going to have a future opportunity or is this country going to fall into a garbage garbage dump so i'm not going to why am i wasting my time arguing with people who agree with me like that's stupid i'll say it a million times i probably we'll just keep reading more super jets special shout out to scrotes my goats by the way uh that was fake not a real guy scrotes no no no no uh

scrotes my goats said someone was impersonating him and and sent us an email oh wicked that's the thing that that's yeah trust no one so horrible to say but you know this is another thing that got me going we we got an email from our actual member saying, hey, man, I did not say those things. And we checked. Membership active. Everything's good. And then he was like, I'm going to actually increase my membership because I want you guys to know I support you.

And then I was like, dude, someone's screwing with us. So to all you scrotes out there, impersonators or no, hope you have a nice evening. All you scrotes. Yep. All you scrotes. Yep. All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim, I should have told you earlier that Project Veritas stuff got me thinking. Your current drama is orchestrated

by the Crystal King himself. Ian wants you out. I saw him and Roberto Jr. having a contract meeting. Oh, did you? Keep it to yourself. It's right here. Yeah, check it out. Cast Castle on TimCast.com.

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for starting this process of healing the divide. We all mess up, and after last week, that was good. I will disagree and say, I actually think I was being aggressive in the beginning to begin with and i don't like like the stuff that we were getting sent that made me really angry uh wasn't coming from jeremy so for me to then take it out of him that was my fault in the first place

so i don't think i should get credit for a healing healing a divide i can i can get i don't know you can say good job on chilling the f out i suppose look I sincerely mean it I don't want to fight with people who I agree with that's stupid alright let's see where we go Matthew Valesquez says Tim if Elon Musk can buy Twitter then you can hire James O'Keefe this is your Elon moment dude

you know I gotta be honest like when we heard that James O'Keefe got ousted I was like can we get him on the phone here we don't on the phone here? We don't have the legal wherewithal to handle a project level operation. When we get people coming to us about stuff, I always just direct them to Veritas. I just say, guys, like they're the ones who have the legal apparatus to deal with this stuff, not us. However, that being said, if James is looking to start a new organization.

If you build it it they will come a non-profit that can uh i'm willing to bet that all the donors will follow james o'keefe the id the ideological uh leader and founder of the organization but you know i will say james and he's even supposed to it's not about him it's about the movement itself and if project veritas continues on without james and then james starts a new organization and now there's two places that whistleblowers can go to. All the better. Seth Weather says, I hope James ate the sandwich. Like, that's the thing, too. It's like, that's why they're firing the guy, because they watched him take a sandwich from somebody. Even if that was true, I'd be like, what?

Like, if Ian walked up to another employee and grabbed their sandwich, I'd just be like, don't do that, I guess. Like, I don't, people would be like, yo, Ian took my sandwich. We'd be like, all right, well, we'll tell him not to do that. Yeah, it's kind of self-correcting, I think. Could you imagine if we called you in for like a six-hour meeting where we're like, you took our sandwich

and we're like slamming. What was on the sandwich? Go make another sandwich, Ian. Go make it. Before you ate the sandwich. All right. Marion Holtzman says, the serious case

is that James O'Keefe covers. I would think he needs to run a very tight organization. For those dropping the ball, fire them. I agree. I absolutely agree. But I think because it's a non-profit, there's three directors on the board, so James never had full control of that thing. It was always him and at least two other people.

Jeremy Hernan says, Glad to see you and Jeremy bury the hatchet. Love you both. You should really try again to bring him on. He says he doesn't like flying, so it is what it is. But yeah, man, look, I've had people on this show who I genuinely think are bad people. And it's like, of all the people I should be mad at, I don't know. I just felt in the end, I'm kind of like, it's definitely not him.

It's like we've had people on the show who are legitimate grifters who pretend like they or literally don't know what's going on in the world and without calling anybody out it's typically like you know left leaning people man I wanted to get in there and start calling names out I'll keep my face shut look there are some good left wing people we've had on the show who are genuinely ignorant

and then there's some sophists who have been on the show and like intentionally mislead and I'm like that's the kind of stuff i'm mad about you know what i mean yeah i like the people to come on ignorantly and learn because that's what i did yeah yeah i mean respect to the krasn scenes for listening to me just go off for 20 minutes about ukraine and gazprom and the cutter turkey pipeline and nordstream and all that stuff oh and you guys see that seymour hirsch i think article the u.s. and Norway destroyed Nord Stream 2. Yeah, that's bad news.

That's, if that- The U.S. is denying it. Is that news? I don't know. Well, I don't know. But the fact of the matter is, if you give Russia more reason to accuse the U.S. of stuff, then it's going to be an escalation. And so regardless of who knew what or whatever,

the fact that Russia can now say, look, here's more evidence the U.S. is blah, blah, blah. That means NATO is. That means it's justifying escalation. And this whole thing could very easily get way out of hand. And that way out of hand is talking about the possible nuclear exchange between the u.s and and russia whether it be unlikely or not whether you think it's unlikely or not uh i don't think that that really matters because it's like i'm i carry a gun it's unlikely

that i'm gonna have ever have to use my gun but i carry the gun because of what happens if i if i need a gun like that's this it's like, it's like the result of a nuclear exchange is so catastrophic, you have to treat it as if it's always a possibility because the result is possibly the end of modern civilization. We can't go to war with Russia. Absolutely not. I'm willing to end the world over which country owns Crimea, Phil. I don't know about

you i mean i was thinking about it and i was like you know nuclear annihilation and the end of humanity is worth it for a small you know peninsula you know and the people that sorry to go on about but it's so frustrating to hear people say oh well you know russia's gonna go and make a move on other uh nato countries and stuff and it's like the reason that we have NATO and the reason that Ukraine is not in NATO is because of Ukraine's history with Russia. And if we were to go ahead and say, well, everyone that Russia gets into some kind of conflict with, we just go ahead and fold them into NATO and then attack Russia. That's you might as well not have NATO and just initiate a first strike against Russia. Not endorsing that, but I'm saying... I am.

Might as well not have NATO part, at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I'm saying. I'm saying initiating the first strike is a pardon. We got this one from Nick Williams. Says, John Fetterman is in the hospital. Everyone punch your 2023 bingo cards. I heard that last night, actually.

Did you guys watch the new South Park? No, but I saw you tweeting about it, and I can't wait to watch it yeah yep so it's about uh cartman has cupid uh cupid yay which is a little is floating around wearing his hoodie and it's very you know it's complaint it's telling a token that you know black people are the real jews or whatever i want to get back and there's a scene there's a scene where cartman is in bed and Cupid Yee mentions they, and then he says, who is they? And so, you know, we indirectly got our mockery from someone.

I love those guys. I love it. They're tapped in, man. And then the credits, I noticed something get said, like written by Matt Stone, directed by Matt Stone, special assistant to Matt Stone, Trey Parker. And I'm like, is that a joke? Or is legit one of them just like bowing down?

Maybe Trey took the month off. Yeah, right? Maybe. All right. Yeah, Fetterman's in the hospital, man. That sucks. They said, I heard that he had a second stroke. Could be complete BS.

I don't know. That's just terrifying, man. Who's the lieutenant governor? No, he's not the governor. Never mind. I'm sorry. His wife. She wants it.

She wants it. She wants it. So if something happens to him, do they have just another runoff or something like that? Or how would they replace it? Would the governor appoint a senator? I have no idea. I don't know. Do you know how that works, Tim? If something happens?

What would happen to John? He can't serve? Does someone get appointed? Yeah, they appoint someone, I think. Is the governor... His wife. The speculation from a lot of people was that he would be forced out due to a medical issue and then governor would appoint his wife the speculation the speculation from a lot of people was that he would be forced out due to a medical issue and then they would put

his wife in i i'm kidding that was just a joke because everyone that makes a joke that his wife runs everything anyways she does and i'm gonna be sick i think she planned it somehow i'm gonna vomit all right let's see uh by the way tower endorsed Fetterman. I just want to throw that out there. Yeah, for the comedy. Unironically. Unironically. I would have voted for him. Michael Malice did too, didn't he?

I think so. Yeah, he was like, are you kidding? We got to have that guy. I mean, even then, he's such a great representation. I want a Congress full of Fettermans. All vegetables who can't get anything done. That's perfect. This is a good one here from Figgy Merman. He says, James O'Keefe is the only person project veritas has exposed as a bad person without any video

do better where's the video guys come on it's project veritas it's the only time they've accused someone of malfeasance without evidence good point that's it i just i i just don't believe it we're project veritas l yeah yeah and and and james o'keefe is project veritas yeah he's like often when we talk about it we don't even say veterans who say james o'keefe right but james o'keefe releases james o'keefe exposes he is the face he doesn't want to be thought of as the thing i know he's told me that to my face like it's a movement that he's a part of yeah and he's become kind of an icon in the movement he is he is but it is a great movement, greater than all of us. All right.

Let's grab some more. El Jefe says, part of Fighting Together, Tim, is denouncing your plan to host a drag show. You can't promote sexual lewdness while claiming to fight sexual lewdness. No, there is a point

in that drag show. So I said, I'm going to put on the biggest, Cenk Uygur, the young track, was like, if I could afford it,

I'd put on a big drag show. And I'm like, okay, then I'll do it. We're going to put on the biggest drag show. Weygur, the young director, was like, if I could afford it, I'd put on a big drag show and I'm like, okay, then I'll do it. We're going to put on the biggest drag show. We're going to have a bunch of drag performers

and there will be free food and drinks, 21 and over, of course, because of the drinking and there should be no problems, right? Nobody should have

anything to complain about. It's funny, when I said that, no leftist said anything. They immediately just dropped the subject. It's like, are you really going to

come out and rebut and be like, let the kids in i'm like there's alcohol but let them in anyone no so look man i'm not a staunch conservative i have no problem with burlesque you know if people want to go to a show and there's women and they do their burlesque thing and if it's drag they don't do the thing it's just not for kids just i've heard it's fun i don't know no kids i mean ain't my cup of tea i've seen those videos and i'm like i would not enjoy whatever that is that's i just but i don't know some people like watching boxing i'm not a fan of boxing i'd rather watch mma look i've watched rupaul's drag show and that's funny that drag the drag race that show's funny but i don't know if i'm gonna go to a bar to see a drag show i've heard they're pretty like

there's a place i think in like flor called Hamburger Mary's where they do that. I've heard – I mean some people tell me it's like fun because they make it comedic. It's like a whole show, but it's not for kids. No. I mean I don't know. It doesn't sound like my thing, but I don't know. Maybe I would enjoy it. I don't know.

I've never tried it. All right. Feeling Dangerous says, hey, I just want my Super Chat Red LMAO. Well, there you go. Bring Jim Jordan on again. He was awesome. Would love a full episode. Well, so here's what happens. We get Matt Gaetz to come on. just want my super chat red lmao well there you go bring jim jordan on again he was awesome would love a full episode well so you know here's what happens we get matt gates to come on i'm a big fan

and i thought it was a great episode hanging out on friday night i could barely talk so he's just you know explaining all of these things when he when he mentioned the pelosi's uh paul pelosi buying that stock on the what was it on the dip? And then the bills get killed and don't make it to the floor? That's crazy. So I get reached out. Boebert's team reaches out and said, you know, they're going to be doing this big hearing. So we'd love to do a show with you, but getting out to you guys is very difficult. Can you come to us?

Because here's how it basically works. For them, they're getting prepped all day for a hearing, and they're sitting there questioning, you know, executives. They can't come out here until the very last minute. But we have employees who could go there, set up, and then once they're done with their hearings, run in, sit down and talk to us. And they basically were like, if you can come out here and do it, we'll get like everybody to come on the show. And I was like, I mean, dude, that sounds incredible. So getting to meet Jim Jordan, having him come on and explain a lot of was like, I mean, dude, that sounds incredible. So getting to meet Jim Jordan, having him come on and explain a lot of this stuff

was really great. Matt Gates walked right in, started dropping a bunch of F-bombs. Yeah, it was great. It was fantastic. I'm like, this guy from Congress here is just cussing up a storm

on this live show to hundreds of thousands of people. Also, the staff was awesome. You guys rock. And the amount of work, they do like 6 a.m. to 10, 11 p.m. every day. It's five days a week. It is like you might, from a TV,

it might look like they don't do a lot, but my Lord, are they invested in what they're doing. They really are. Yeah, shout out to the Bober staff, by the way, as well. I appreciate all the help. Calvin Torgenson says, shout out to Ian on his Brittany Venti video. You strike me as a very genuine and curious person.

Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. What was your video? I made a video about two o'clock today about the whole thing. I was getting videos. There's a video of me and Eliza from back in the day where we were hugging and cuddling and hanging out with Adam and Nishra back in their house, drinking whiskey. And everyone's like, what's up? What's wrong with Ian? And I'm like, I'm making a video. I'm done. I'm not playing this in text. I'm not doing it in text. So I just made a video as straightforward as I can be, came out 13 minutes long. Got my periodic chart behind me.

Check it out, Ian Crossland on YouTube. There you go. All right, what do we have? John L says, have to send Phil love for his music, but Death Punch deserves credit for lining the dream on COVID and welcome to the circus, the world today. All right. I love the guys in Five Finger Death Punch,

and I appreciate the kudos. I'm not sure exactly what you meant, but the guys five figure they're they're they're sweethearts they're wonderful people i love them all so duke says call these clowns out tim trump is trump he is just trump flannel guy is a clown i'll continue to give to you if you call flannel guy out i'll do it you're a clown thank you that's my favorite thing about flannel guy though yeah i i am known for evoking reactions from people so well i you know flannel guy look donald trump is is the greatest president we've ever had and i think you owe him an apology yeah get to it flannel guy trump donald trump i will apologize to you if you come on Tower Gang

that is my stipulation I'm so sorry that was mean please I genuinely think Trump is the best the best president of my life oh I agree

of my life of my life I mean it's a bar that's buried under the ground but he is the best was he like the only one who didn't sort of start a war

he was ending them you know I'll take what I can get it's a low bar like you said so it's like I'll take it very low bar Was he like the only one who didn't sort of start a war? He was ending them. I'll take what I can get. It's a low bar, like you said. It's a low bar. I'll take it. Very low bar. There's a lot to be said about Donald Trump. I think he really did want to keep his promises.

I think he really did try. I just think he brought on bad people. I think he's brash and he's arrogant. What do you think about him campaigning with Lindsey Graham? Is that a good sign that he's learned his lesson or right now no and and that's that's why we have a lot of people being like maybe desandis is the guy yeah who do you see as a president nobody what about like realistically there's brand paul i mean yeah like i don't know if that's realistic but i would be that would be way better than anything else we have so you just wouldn't campaign if you don't see someone you like?

I mean, Dave Smith, he's talked about it. I love the idea. But frankly, like I've given up on the idea of fixing our federal government. I think it's 100% local. I think you got to find a place that you think you can invest in. I'm all in on the free state project at this point. I'm all about like, if Dave wants to run for president and try to you know send a message and attract people to these ideas i think it's great but hoping that we're gonna have any sort of like political revolution to save this mess i think it's just there's no way i think it's this uh duke here gave us another super chat a huge one two hundred dollars he really doesn't like you that's awesome yeah well you know shout out thanks for the super chats man you know i bring them back Thanks for the super chats, man.

You keep bringing them back. I want to make sure that, I mean, if Duke keeps giving us this level of money, I mean, maybe, no, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, Duke. I appreciate the super chats.

Just call me Flannel Clown to like, you know, make a... Flannel Clown? Yeah, Flannel Clown. Can you tell Reed what Duke called him, please? What?

Can you tell Reed what Duke called him? What, the flannel guy? Hair cut flannel guy? That's what he called him guy i don't think we can say the other thing that's what i'm thinking now we're not allowed to say the other one i'll tell you later all right if we do in tower form i think we're all right oh yeah let's tower it no no there's kids listening there's kids listening yeah you can't can't do it drizz says but he's right though drizz says bro i'm proud of you and jeremy call out the bad give credit where credit is due respect man yeah i think you're you guys are allowed to be mad at me um hopefully we can just move on and

focus the fight on uh on the issues that that matter substantially more i just don't see there to be i hope i hope steven crown the daily wire guys eventually get to a point where they're like you know okay whatever we're doing important things it's just it's eventually get to a point where they're like, you know, okay, whatever. We're doing important things. It got to this point with Veritas where I'm just like, yo, if this keeps happening, we're done. It's over. It's over in six months. That was what my video was about today. It was a little bit about Eliza. It was really about Brittany getting her account banned. I'm really concerned

with social media overreach right now. Even though we got a hero in Twitter, a lot of people think Elon's the hero. It doesn't mean that people can't go crazy. So I went on and on about that. Let's stay focused on censorship and make sure that's done righteously. Backhand187 says, first ever Super Chat. The easy fix to the Eliza Blue story, Tim, is to have Brittany Venti on the show. Yes, agreed.

And we also, I'm planning on having Shane Cashman on with Chrissy Mayer. So I think we can just, as a means to be like, we're going to hash all this out. Because we pride ourselves on being the people who sit down and talk about things that are controversial and we complain when people refuse to show up to debate these issues. So we will have that conversation

and I'm hoping we can do it next week. The reality is this would be special privileges in a sense in that we're booked up for like three or four weeks out or longer. But I'm pretty sure we can find a way to have Chrissy and Shane come in and then do, I think tomorrow would be the best thing. I don't know if it's possible. Tomorrow, considering, one, we had this conversation today and kind of hashed things out as it was. I apologized. Jeremy

apologized. I don't know if Jeremy needs to apologize as much as I probably do because I was being a dick and being very arrogant on Twitter. I can accept that. But Fridays are good days to just kind of chill and just talk about everything. But I feel bad for the guests we already have booked. I don't want to ram them into this conversation. But we'll figure it out. Maybe some point next week we'll get this going.

Chris, he's in New York. That's not too far, right? Yeah, super. And I think Shane might be around. I genuinely think as I'm looking through this, I hope people understand. Maybe we'll get into the specifics on what was being sent to us because that triggered us. That triggered me. The things being sent to my friends and that kind of stuff, I'm like, bro, you come with my friends. I'm done.

I will shut this whole company down if people threaten my friends. But I got to thinking, Jeremy didn't do that. I'm being baited, man. I'm being tricked. And if someone wants to shut your company down and they'll send you shit about your friends,

that's bad. And if I'm not being tricked, I shouldn't be fighting with people who agree with me because we're mad about one thing. That's stupid. I know, I said it 800 times, so I'll just try and read some more Super Chats.

Duke sent us another Super Chat. Let's hear it. Tim, why the hell would you have haircut and flannel guy on? Bad timing, I'm done with you. Bro, come on, you told me if I called him out, you'd stick around. Keep sending money, buddy.

It's only increasing our chances of coming back. I read his Super Chats. People are allowed to criticize our guests. You know what I mean? I mean, obviously, we're talking about the Eliza Blue thing now. That got to a point. I hope I somehow become more controversial. I'm a huge fan of

Flatter Like It's Gonna Happen. Our audience is split between MAGA and Libertarian. There's like an overlap between them where so I think most people are just going to be like, well, you know, they're Libertarians. They're alright. We don't agree on Trump. Doc Holliday says, Tim, thank you for the humility.

None of us are reasonable people. None of us reasonable people wanted you to change your opinion or disavow anyone. We just wanted acknowledgement as you are big enough to call attention to the censorship. Thank you. Fight on. So we got a message from someone saying, I will not support you if you don't disavow this person. And so I said, F you. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

And then we got an email from that person saying, yo, that was not me. Someone made a fake account using that name. I am still a member. I'm not leaving. And we were like, ah, that made me be like, yo, we're getting played. We're getting played. People are faking us. We're getting played, man.

But whatever. You know what? If there are people who are legitimately mad or whatever, then they can keep being mad at me. I don't know. Whatever. I'm a guy complaining in it for a living. All right. Jay Walker says, tell Phil he accidentally blocked me on the Bird app at Walker Jerry.

It wasn't an accident. That's what I was thinking. The thing is, my opinion on the Bird app is the same as uh michael malice it is like block loosely for whatever because the my experience on the bird app is my experience it's not your experience and i have no desire to listen to people that are just going to flame me if you if you come and say something polite i'll respond i probably respond more than most people i'm on the bird app too much but if you come and you're snarky and I don't know you or you think that you know me and stuff, I might just go ahead and block you. You know, something I realized through all this is that your social media status with someone

is not indicative of your friendship with them. I have friends that I am not friends with on social media because we just annoy each other in text. But he's my good friend. Yep. Me and Jason Richardson. Jason Richardson doesn't follow me on Twitter because I drive him nuts. annoy each other in text but they're my he's my good friend like yep me and jason richard jason richardson doesn't follow me on twitter because i i drive him nuts but we just spent all last week hanging out being buddy buddy you know big hugs when i see him big hugs when i leave because we

get along famously when we're hanging out together we just disagree on some political stuff and so he doesn't follow me and i don't i'm not mad at him for it you know all right last one mike daly says your podcast last night was one of the most important podcasts ever thank you uh two of the microphones didn't work and uh we know why it's it's a it's a um a driver issue with the channels that the computer doesn't pick up two of them and you only get two or whatever but uh the good news is you see the members of congress were really excited to be able to do a show in that fashion imagine if tucker carlson was like we're bringing the studio to your office you can come on the show they'd be like whoa but it's harder for him to do that easier for us albeit it was difficult i mean serge and andrew really pulled it together and and busted ass to make that happen yeah very last second honestly what

was that like uh it was great i got to walk around in congress they got the dunkin donuts in there yeah that was cool. They have a Baskin-Rubbers next door, too. They have a Dunkin' in Congress? Yeah, yeah, in a subway. Yeah, people are buying literally pints of ice cream. It was kind of crazy to see. As a New Englander, I'm happy to hear that Dunkin' is in Congress.

Yeah, yeah. It smells good. But we're going to do it again. Because following that, we get some messages from other staffers being like, why didn't we think of this? Can we do it again? I'm like, you tell me when because this is why we came to the D.C. We're about an hour or so outside of D.C., hour 20, hour 30. And I'm like, that's the point because this is the seat of politics.

I hate D.C., by the way, but we can do things like this. So I think we're probably going to get more shows, and they'll be set up way better with better lighting. This was like a last-minute thing where it was like Friday, hey, can you come out? And I'm like, let me see if we can figure it out. Serge had to figure out building the mobile setup and getting all the equipment.

We didn't even know where the equipment was. We're like, we've got to go find it because it's in storage. It took a while. I was so stressed, guys, my hair fell out. That's right. But now that we've gone through that gone through all that we're talking with

other members and we think we'll be able to set up the show and do another one relatively soon which would just be really really great so the idea is

the next time there's a big hearing and we want follow up and conversation on that stuff like especially the weaponization of government hearings

that's the most important thing in my opinion going right now exactly imagine we set up right after they do those hearings we sit down with matt gates jim jordan bobert etc and the crew anna polina luna and uh are able to talk about these byron donalds and cross aisle that's really exciting a lot of people in the chat were super chatting they want to see like people from both sides of the political aisle coming together and talking about these crazy things i mean if they if they can get a democrat who wants to come on and they agree to have a conversation about the weaponization of government and we agree to keep that in the con like i would i would be look my concern is if we had someone like ilhan omar aoc we'd get into the tribal issues we'd get into cultural

issues that we disagree on. But if there is common ground where we can solve a real problem and we agree, okay, we'll put aside these other things and we'll specifically talk about the thing we agree on and agree not to attack each other, I think at least that conversation is better than nothing. Maybe there's an opportunity there, like talking

about war, foreign policy and stuff. And then we'll be like, agree not to go after cultural character and things like that. But I'll leave it there. My friends, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com if you want to watch the members-only

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