Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #719 James O'Keefe Video LEAKED, CONFIRMS He's Been OUSTED w/Steve Deace

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Serge join Steve Deace to discuss James O'Keefe confirming he's been ousted by Project Veritas, MTG calling for national divorce, and Zelensky warning of WW3 if Russia allies with China Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

James O'Keefe has given a speech to, I guess, I guess to staff at the Veritas offices, confirming that he was removed from the CEO and from the board. He entered into the office and removed his personal belongings. That's what the reports are saying. And Project Veritas has released a statement accusing him of what appears to be financial malfeasance, which I do not believe for a moment. And one of the things they complained about, Project Veritas, the board, I guess, accusing James was that he used money for like funny dance videos or events or something

like this. And they called it like him misappropriating funds. Well, I want to make sure I'm using the specific words they use, but I'll just put it this way. I like that Project Veritas does dance events. I like that James O'Keefe is this figure, is this character that brings life and a bit of levity to the work they do. And apparently that's not good enough for the board. So for this reason, they've removed him and are now, I believe, lying about what's going

on. Look, man, James O'Kee, I believe, lying about what's going on. Look, man, James O'Keefe is the founder and CEO of Project Veritas. He's done tremendous work. The idea that Veritas can exist without him is laughable. And so we're going to get into this. There's a lot to go through. Apparently on Twitter, they've already lost around 140,000 followers. People are just ditching, saying no way.

Several major media figures have come out saying, I'm not going to support Project Veritas. So we'll talk about that. Plus, we've got some other interesting stories. Marjorie Taylor Greene has officially called for a national divorce. Okay, I mean, there's an interesting conversation to be had, one that we've had quite a bit.

But, you know, you guys ready to drink Civil War, I guess? I don't know how you get a member of Congress saying national divorce this idea is expanding okay and more and more people are talking about it

and I know people think that a national divorce is some kind of peaceful thing but I don't see how it can go any other way than Civil War but hey maybe it won't be Civil War

because the other thing we talk about a lot is World War 3 Zelensky says that if China and Russia team up it's World War 3 meanwhile like

I don't know everybody else is already saying yo it already started 50 to 100 years from now, when we're all living in rubble and nuclear wasteland, we'll be like, it all started with Ukraine and Russia. No one's going to be waiting until Russia teams up with China. So we'll get into all that. Before we get started, my friends, head over to TimCast.com. Become a member by clicking that Join Us button, and you will get access to exclusive uncensored segments from this show Monday through Thursday at 8 p.m. We will have a members-only show coming up for you tonight at 11 p.m. You don't want to miss it. Not family-friendly, so tends to be sillier, a bit funnier, but definitely not something

for your kids to have around. So don't forget to also smash that Like button if you're watching on YouTube. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends if you really do like it. Word of mouth is the most powerful thing you can do to help. Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Steve Dace. Happy to be here, man. I've heard a ton about your show. I've seen a lot of your episodes,

especially in the last 24 hours. Everybody warned me you guys like to do snotty gotcha questions. I freaking love snotty gotcha questions. I freaking love snotty gotcha questions. Why did you wear that shirt anyway? Exactly. Because when you wear plaid to hopefully distract people from everything else that you visually bring

to the table. See, anything you do to try to corner me, I will put myself down even more. So I'm ready to go. So for those that don't know you, who are you? What do you do? I work over at The Blaze. When I was growing up one of the most coveted TV slots you wanted was After Cheers. That's where Seinfeld debuted, NewsRadio debuted, because After Cheers was on. I mean, you're going to have to really suck not to hold the audience, right?

So I get to do the show at The Blaze after Glenn Beck, right? So it's really hard to not be successful. You just try to hold on to as much of his audience as you possibly can and i'm barely hanging on and so they were dumb enough to sign me to a contract extension for another three years back in january you pulled a fast one on those guys i did or or no one else wanted the gig one of the two yes there you go yes right on all right that should be fun so thanks for joining us you bet blasts we got hannah claire brimelow hanging out hi i'm hannah claire brimelow i'm a writer for timcast.com you should definitely follow timcast news on

twitter and instagram they are excellent platforms to get your news from as i've heard i just want to point out i think it's funny that you're wearing an american flag yeah i'm really into sweater and behind you yes that's the wood one this is the knit one i just want you guys to know that i am definitely from america don't question it. Aren't you Canadian? I was born here. Stop questioning my anchor baby life. I got problems. No. And one of them is the military industrial complex.

Maybe we'll talk about that tonight. Steve, also writer, director, or I guess director? Producer. Producer as well. Executive producer of Nefarious upcoming. Comes out in theaters on April the 14th. You can go to the website whoisnefarious.com. We actually pulled it off.

We made a right-wing horror film. They said it couldn't be done, or maybe no one's ever actually tried it before. We, I think, pulled it off. We showed it to some of your people earlier today, and, man, I got some really cool feedback. So whoisnefarious.com is the website, and if you're going to let me shill, then we've got a brand-new book out, Rise of the Fourth Right, Confronting COVID Fascism with a New Nuremberg Trial. So this never happens again.

We fashioned this book like a mock Nuremberg trial. We have witnesses. Everybody's on the record. We have every interview recorded, whistleblowers from the Department of Defense, healthcare sector, people whose family members

were medically kidnapped or allowed to die in hospitals, denied of treatment. This book is going to blow your freaking mind. if you were not already paranoid if you were not already pissed okay if your blood was not already clotting it'll be boiling when you read this book oh wow all right we got surge pressing the buttons yo what's up everyone surge.com ready to start when you are let's jump into this first story we got us from timcast.com exclusive video james o'keefe tells project veritas staff i've been removed from ceo and board i have been stripped of my authority as ceo and removed from the board contrary to what any

public statements may say he gave uh i think it's like a 45 or around 45 minutes speech and an anonymous source provided this video to us. We uploaded it on YouTube and published it. And James basically lines out. He says, throughout my 13 years here, our mission has evolved from simply being about exposing the truth with help from some hidden cameras to something more transcendental,

giving people hope. He says, as I was going through this process, I reflected upon my appreciation for so many of you. What makes us great is that we do this work because we believe we have a passion and a flair for storytelling. He gave a big speech. I recommend you guys listen to the full 45 45 minute speech. I can't break the whole thing down in only a few minutes, but there are some things I want to point out.

The article says Timcast News has also been provided with board minutes regarding O'Keefe, which included an indefinite suspension without compensation. And the funny thing is, maybe if we, I think it gets cut off right here. Here we go. This is an image that we received. Indefinite suspension of Mr. O'Keefe as CEO without compensation. Well, that's strange. Didn't they say before that it was paid time off?

Now we can see here in this document, it's not paid time off. There's more. In this image, I think this is, I believe it's something different. Let me pull this one up. Indefinite suspension of Mr. O'Keefe from the board pending the results of the two-dimensional audit. So here's what we have. I mean, so I just want to show you, here's the full video you can find at youtube.com slash timcast. I don't know if it was uploaded anywhere else. I believe the video of James giving the speech was leaked to a bunch of different news outlets. And I will say this, people are not having it. Project Veritas on Twitter is currently down 133,349. Let's refresh and just see what happens if it's the same. Yeah, 133,585 followers have unfollowed them on Twitter. And we have this statement from Veritas. Take a look at this.

This is where I get the most offended. Here are a few examples of what has been uncovered so far by PV leadership. Here's the first thing I'll say. James O'Keefe is Project Veritas. He started it. He's the one who paid the prices for it. And I assume most people are donating for him to do what he does because they believe in him. They say $14,000 on a charter flight to meet someone to fix his boat under the guise of meeting with a donor. Sorry, I just literally don't believe it. That just sounds like nonsense. And here's the other thing I'll tell you. If James didn't do the right thing, or he tried to by starting a nonprofit, if James just did a private corporation and said, donate money, it's not tax deductible, and I can do whatever I want with it, nobody would bat an eye at James O'Keefe getting a private jet. Not that I believe that he would misuse funds this way. Look at this one.

$60,000 in losses by putting together dance events such as Project Veritas Experience. That, I disagree with. Those are not losses. Those are some of the most memorable Project Veritas Experience. Exactly. Well, also, doesn't Turning Point USA

put on all kinds of dance events, stuff for students? If nonprofits lost money on one thing but made it up in a different area that's okay right they have to they're not everything they're going to do is going to be financially successful even if ultimately it works out to be in the green yeah these show different dynamics of james and the crew the people that he's working with that it's not just some stodgy news organization i think it enlivened a lot of young people to get involved because he's also an artist like a dancer so i think that was fantastic uh use of funds the story i was just telling ian we did an event in new york with

minds and james o'keefe was there and there's a there's a side stage area it's kind of like backstage and there's a group of there's a bunch of people getting ready to go on and i see james and i'm like james do a moonwalk And then the whole room breaks aside and everyone stands there as James O'Keefe moonwalks perfectly through the side stage. That kind of thing, in my opinion, I know maybe it's silly, but that is not a loss. When James was doing these videos, he was making a character of Veritas that was something more than just a hidden newsroom that sometimes posts viral clips. It was giving character and personality. This is ridiculous. I'm sorry, man.

It sounds personal because if this was about money and he cost the company a couple hundred thousand dollars, him leaving and all these people leaving, like these are the hardcore donors that are leaving. The last 130,000 people are the people that are going to throw 10 bucks a month at Project Veritas. That's 1.3 million. The donors already filed that cease and desist letter, right?

They said, we want our money back if you are getting rid of James. We gave because of him. And so therefore, if he's not there, then this is not the organization that we gave money to. Can they get their money back? Is that legal? I have heard some organizations do it. Other times not. I'm not an expert on it. It's uncommon for people to be able to donate money and then take it back. It would go to court, I assume. It sounds personal. It sounds uncommon for people to be able to donate money and then take it back. But it would go to court, I assume. It sounds personal. It sounds like some people really didn't like the way James was doing it. Because if they want to, or if it was about money, then they made a really stupid fiscal error in removing James because he's a moneymaker.

To me, there's two consequences of this that I think kind of even transcend what your own views are of James. And just to go on the record, I think the I think it could be argued Project Veritas is the most and has been under his guidance, the most important information outlet in alternative media in the country. Going back to, you know, their their origin, their genesis with Acorn and things of that nature. And I find it fascinating as the guy that just wrote about COVID, a definitive book about COVID fascism, that somehow all of these issues somehow immediately have to come to a head after they just did the ultimate sting operation on the demons over at Pfizer. The timing of that I find incredibly not coincidental. And just real quick, James, he says this. The only thing that changed was the biggest story in their history with over 50 million views.

And he said it's like a 10x increase over their other biggest stories they've done. So let's set aside him for a second and your views of him and just look at running an organization and leadership. I own my own company. I own my own show. You own your show. We have employees. We have organizations. I own my own company. I own my own show. You own your show. We have employees. We have organizations. I've been a part of presidential campaigns, corporations. Here's the reality of those ecosystems. Number one, I hope they have lawyered up because by them even claiming these things in disclosures, not that frankly the Biden

feds need much of an invite anyway. They just do it on their own. But they've essentially begged for a full audit of all their books from the feds to come in and say, oh, OK, you guys have disclosed this. Then let's see what else is under there and see if we can just finish your organization off while we are at it. And then number two, though, let's let's play devil's advocate for a second. And let's say there is some merit to maybe he wasn't kind that was their previous story right he wasn't the kindest boss now the story is some form of malfeasance let's say there's a root of truth to them just for the sake of devil's argument you don't take the star quarterback of your team after he just won the freaking super bowl and decide that now's the time you want to have a

conversation with him about being a kinder, gentler, better teammate and being a better steward of the team's resources. He just won the Super Bowl, man. Hand him the trophy, let him take pictures and celebrate that. There were times before that moment that you could have addressed these things. And there's times later in the off season when there's not as much eyes, there's not as much pressure where these kinds of things can be addressed. This is, as you said, Ian, it's either personal or the oversight and leadership and guidance of this board is every bit as culpable, if not more so, of what they claim James is guilty of, even if he's guilty of those things. How come no one stepped in before this? How come no one said, hey, you know what? Now, given we're at a next level here, the level of eyes that are on us, the level of

pressure that's on us, we've got to make sure we're even more diligent than we ever have been before. No, suddenly out of nowhere, he gets his biggest score in the history of the organization. And now suddenly we want to have a human resources review. That is some really crappy leadership on behalf of that board, even if they are telling the truth. Yeah, I think those are all great points, especially since Project Veritas, as far as I know, has their nonprofit status in New York. And to get out of New York, you're at the will of the attorney general, which New York

has one of the most activist, liberal attorney generals, Leticia James, in the country, in my opinion. I mean, it puts them in a terrible place as an organization if the mission is so important why would you do that and to your point too like every circus needs a ringleader and james o'keefe is this circus's ringleader to to kick him off when you are kind of building this huge momentum off of the pfizer thing seems like it's hard for me not to think that there is something that james was about to do that the board didn't want him to. That's not financial. James should file, I don't know, what do you think, LLC?

He should immediately create something new, and it should be a for-profit corporation. And people need to understand, a lot of people think nonprofit means charity and goodness. It certainly does not. A lot of these companies are just they they exist to enrich people they could be tax havens you can run i mean some of these some of these biggest non-profits that you've heard of will have like a 98 administrative cost ratio and i think it's like it might have to be at least 90 i don't know they may have changed laws but this means that when you give a dollar 90 cents goes in the pocket of the administrative staff and 10 or less can go to the actual cause that is

and i've worked for a lot of non-profits and i've seen some that do 50 50 and even that's considered really bad some good ones will brag and be like 80 of your donation goes to the actual cause and the administrative costs are a reality of doing business it just basically means that if they're like save the dogs, 80 cents goes to actually rehoming a dog and 20 cents is paying the managers to file the paperwork to rehome the dogs. But when you see one of these big nonprofits and their ratio is like 90% administrative,

yeah, that means almost none of your money is actually doing any charitable work. So here's what I would say. James should form a new company and it should be a for-profit corporation, which means it won't be tax deductible. But there are enough people who support Project Veritas that he need only say for $10 a month. I was just going to say that. You get James O'Keefe's premium behind-the-scenes director's cut commentary on our stories and our views, and the news is always free so not not too dissimilar from what we do with like here's the free show yep i think he'd make even more money

and he'd then be able to without question he wanted to get a private jet to go get his boat fixed i gotta be honest james deserves to have a private jet to go get his boat fixed considering the risks he's taken to his to himself and others i don't think he actually did that though that's ridiculous it's like oh i'm going to meet a donor better have the company book me a private jet that's that's ridiculous so well maybe he met with a donor who wanted to donate to veritas and did but also got took his boat taken care of and the same donor also fixed his but who knows but this is but this is the thing too like one of the claims they made i guess in these internal documents is that he used the money do they have that here let me let me see if they have it here something about um like a wedding or

something like he used the money to pay for his wedding and it's just like he's not married you know and and apparently it was a venue used for a corporate party they're just taking things and twisting it to accuse him of doing things that are wrong. But I think, Steve, I think you put it perfectly. I would be more willing to believe this if privately a board member hit me up and was like, look, we're trying to figure this one out. What should we do? to boot him from the company abruptly, to then publicly accuse him of abusing employees, and that note said, some of the signatories of this letter

have not witnessed or experienced any abuse. Now they're coming out after the donors refuted that, saying, well, he was misappropriating funds. It's like, okay, you're lying. It's a coup. You're just making stuff up. It's also interesting that he's off Project Veritas, the nonprofit that we know about,

but then he's also off of their political action committee. Right. There's the project. I don't remember what it's called, but it's 501C4, which they're allowed to participate in political campaigns. Right. As we're going into an election year. And who do you think is like the most dangerous asset to anyone in politics right now? James O'Keefe, because he has such a reputation as an investigative journalist. I mean, to take him out of the organization right now, to me, it's deeply suspicious. I care a lot about James' health. And like, just personally, I know him. I like him a lot. And I'll spend times like being afraid for my friends sometimes and being like, I don't

want that person to get hurt. I felt like that about Obama, too. I was almost like, please don't go against the deep state, Barack, because because they'll kill you but then what happened was he just didn't go against the deep state and played ball so like but i think james is just a guy and the organization that he created is an organization of hundreds of people i don't know how many people and they're all from what i met at the project those people are fantastic and they do incredible work i think it's like 65 or 65 people i mean they're they're putting their lives essentially their livelihoods on the line by exposing you know corporate corruption and they can't come back once you take this job it's not like you can go back into the field you're in right um it's a lot

of them are undercover so they're you don't know who they are those people hopefully can assimilate back in but you know if you're going to put your face on them on the the movement but like i i think it's important not to put all the weight of this entire thing on James like he's part of it and he will continue to be part of the movement whether or not it's with this company or another company but I think it's the time to take the heat off James is now like Veritas will continue and it'll continue to expose corruption and if they are corrupt they'll get exposed I don't know I don't agree I think, you nailed it. Them coming out publicly and announcing financial malfeasance is... Ask yourself who wants to...

There's an old adage in sports, you never want to be the guy that follows the guy. You want to be the guy that follow the guy who follow the guy, right? So the organization just got rid of its founder and its face. And there really wasn't another face because, as you guys have pointed out, everybody else that has done public work has done it undercover. So he is the only known face of that organization. Who would right now, given the amount of heat that that is taking right now, on top of the open invite, they literally just hiked up their skirts and said to the feds, we're open for business. We showed all the leg we've got all the way to the panty line who wants to walk in there and say yeah i think i want to take that i want to i want to take that dutch door action i want to get screwed on the way in and screwed on the way out i'm gonna i'm

gonna take over for a guy that's a legend to his base and then at the same time yeah the the people that just hired me opened up uh and and invited the feds to come in for an investigation i think that is probably a pretty small list of people take a a look at this. Only Elon Musk. I think Elon Musk is kind of a joke, but geez, that's something Elon would do. Send me in. Burning does not hurt. They announced Elon's the new CEO of Veritas. Look at this. Year revenue in 2020, Veritas brought in $22,034,000. I can only imagine with this Pfizer video. video here's what i think it's the money and and i'll tell you why this some people are like i think pfizer came in and did something i'm not so sure about that that that would be bad pr wise like you don't want to pour fuel on a fire

of a story by there's a story of these activists who were protesting outside of mcdonald's saying mcdonald's was bad m bad. McDonald's sued them. Won. And then their stock tanked. Because the news reporting was that massive corporation attacks to private individuals. Pfizer's got to be like, everyone's cheering these guys on. If we go after them, it's going to hurt us. Let's ignore it. Here's what I think.

2020. Take a look at these numbers. In 2019, Project Veritas brings in $12,151,496. One year later, they nearly double their revenue to $22 million. How much money do you think is going to come in now that they had the biggest stories, this biggest story ever in the history of Veritas? I can only imagine they're going to hit $40, $50 million. Okay, maybe I'm way off with that.

$40 was my first thought. $40, right? Now imagine you're on the board and you're like, guys, look how much money we have. I've, I could never have. And then James says, we are not using the money for what you want. We are going to use the money the way I see it. And we're going to do the mission. And I don't think the board members necessarily are thinking I'm going to stuff my pockets, but they're saying something like, let's use the funds to build a new building and we can start doing this and that and we can put a gym there and then james is like we're gonna do this we're gonna do this we're gonna expose this you gotta get rid of this is what i said when we first got word that he was suspended

if you want access to the cash you've got to get rid of the ideological founder who's standing in the way of that big pile of money now for them to come out with a new excuse that you is misappropriating funds, it's projecting. It's what we typically see from these leftists. They accuse others. They've got board members posting their pronouns in their Twitter bios. And accusing someone else of malfeasance.

And how do board members get on boards? They donate to the organization, right? So if you had a year like this, and again, I used to work in fundraising, the top amount of money comes from a very narrow number of donors typically, right? So I think, yes, they have really great grassroots support, but there are probably a couple new donors

who saw the work they have done and said, I am willing to really either scale up what I'm giving or I'm willing to give a huge donation for the first time. Now that's a threat to all the other board members, right? They are potentially going to lose their position if they are now competing with these other high-dollar donors. I think that this is a sketchy thing to do, especially when your organization is doing so well,

has this big story out, unless you personally feel threatened. It seems like James is intimating. It's Pfizer. He said, the only thing that has changed is that we broke the biggest story in our organization's history during the last week of January in 2023 with 50 plus million views.

Our video became a global phenomenon. He then goes on to add more context and says that is the only thing that has changed. Then suddenly an unusual emergency happened just a few days after the story, he continued. And then he says, on Thursday, February 2nd,

I was informed by an officer of Veritas on the phone while en route to the airport that he would resign unless I stepped down as CEO. Ken, I want to address the Pfizer connection. I got a question on my show over at The Blaze today.

Someone asked me, what would be Pfizer's incentive to produce a product or any product that could potentially be harmful to its customers when its customers are people in need of health care? You and I aren't Pfizer's customers. Governments are. No one within the sound of my voice paid for a COVID vaccine. Governments paid for all of those. You're not paying for Paxlovid. I know some people

who did pay for it. They were doing like a $100. Yeah, yeah. In general, governments are being pedantic. I know. That's alright to be exact. Governments are the clients. What he put out with that video didn't put heat on pfizer they're indemnified going back to 1986 further and under reagan further indemnified by the perp act under uh or the prep

act under under trump the the heat's not on them that that hay's in the barn. They've cashed all those checks. The heat is on governments. People aren't calling Pfizer after they watch those videos. They know that nothing happens calling Pfizer. God bless, there was a group of New Yorkers over the weekend that did a rally in front of Pfizer, speaking my love language, chanting Nuremberg to Adam, and that's my love language, But that doesn't do any good. The governments are the clients. Israel let Pfizer essentially experiment on their population for an entire year. That's what our government did. That's what almost every major government in the world did with Pfizer and Moderna.

They let their people be the real-time human trial in real time in public. And so when he puts that video out, the horse doctor, Al Borla at Pfizer, he's not sweating it. Governments are. The horse doctor. Yeah, that's what he was. He was a horse doctor. And so the veterinarian at Pfizer is not sweating it. The governments are. The governments are still somewhat, depending on what your views of elections are, somewhat still accountable to their people in ways that the corporation at Pfizer is not. And that's a whole new layer of heat. And it's not just our government. People around the world guys watch those videos and said, Hey, why is the German? Do you guys know what's going on with excess deaths in Germany right now?

They're higher right now than they have been in the entire time of COVID-19. They're higher right now in Germany, 40% higher than normal. That's higher than they were at the peak of the initial wave of COVID in 2020. How do we explain those things? His video opens up that entire Pandora's box for all these governments. We'll slow down and go back

and address a lot of this stuff. What's the name, Albert Borla? Albert Borla, yeah. And he was literally a horse doctor. He was literally a horse doctor. But hold on, hold on, hold on. You're not being cute. No.

He actually was treating horses specifically. Yes. So when they tried to tell you that ivermectin was horse paste, no, it wasn't. Ivermectin's a Nobel Prize winning drug from 2015. It was repurposed for animal use because of how effective it was for humans. We do that with a lot of drugs, by the way. A lot of our human antibiotics are repurposed for animals. All right? He was actually a horse doctor. They always guilty guys they're always guilty they're always guilty of what you accuse you of so trump trump's

compromised by a russian p-tape it turns out hunter biden is literally filming his compromont videos with russian hookers while they're accusing that of they're always always guilty of what they accuse you of that's actually interesting because we often talk about the ukraine gate how they accuse trump of doing what biden actually yes but the p-tape thing actually is a good point too because it was hunter biden yes but no it's horse pace but it was actually he's actually a horse doctor i just want to i wanted to point this out because um i don't know a lot of people probably don't like rick and morty but you know the mom in the show beth is a horse surgeon and they make fun of her calling her not a real surgeon, and she gets really offended by it. And it's just fun that this guy is like a horse doctor.

He's like not a real doctor, like works on horses. But I don't know. I just wanted to bring that up anyway. But here's what I think. I was going to have this question for you a few sentences ago, is that you talk about Nuremberg, you know, your book, Rise of the Fourth Reich and all that. We've had a lot of libertarians come on the show and talk about i don't know where you end up on the on the economic scale or whatever

i'm not entirely convinced that um this is a problem that is completely free or what could be solved by laissez-faire capitalism or just straight capitalism i think i think this is a problem of it i think what happens is as much as much as I prefer, you know, capitalist system over, say, like, a socialist system, don't get me wrong, I do think there's still an issue here. And, of course, the issue – let me slow down and walk through this because I understand government is a problem in this one. Here's the problem we face with solving an issue like this. Government mandates things because they're lazy, inept, evil, or otherwise. Some are ideological and think now's our chance. We have, you know, lockdowns are good for the climate and things like that.

Others are panicked and say, well, my people are screaming, do something. They don't care what I do as long as I do something. Then along comes a big pharmaceutical company, who you mentioned correctly, the governments are the customers. The government says, this is it. I'll take public funding. We'll buy products from this major pharmaceutical, and then it looks like I did something. The major pharmaceutical says, we don't care. We're immune, and we have guaranteed government contracts. So it's a perfect

storm of government cronyism, government corruption. You're describing fascism, of course. Right. And ultimately what it is, is the lucrative merger of corporation and state. Elites in the public and private sector, the classic definition of fascism. What I see culturally, governmentally, and in the corporate system, I don't necessarily believe is definitively mustache-twirling villains who are trying to destroy the planet i know we've had many conversations about population reduction about how you know the new york times i think i think it was the times wrote that the lockdowns the planet's healing now and that maybe we need climate change lockdowns they literally use the line from avengers endgame when captain america says well you know after half the world was disappeared the animals are back in the hudson yeah wow but i i kind of just feel like it's more like a jackson pollock painting than something as precise as rembrandt it is quite literally the chaos of our cultural decay

the system itself breaking down in every different area that we've got cultural collapse corporate and governmental collapse that results in nobody wanting to take responsibility for the hard decisions and just saying path of least resistance and leave me the F alone. And so we get all of this mess. I think it's all of the above. I think that, first of all, the number one issue at play here is the spiritual and moral decline of the West. And you are watching a level of spiritual darkness and malevolence. We had a private dinner with Tucker Carlson out in Iowa this summer when he came out to emcee an event for us.

And one of the questions we asked him was, hey, what happened to the bow-tied, smiling libertarian who was friends with Rachel Maddow on MSNBC and CNN and thought, frankly, people like us, these dreaded Jesus you know, Jesus freaks that we were the death knell of the Republican Party and we're going to be the reason why y'all never won any elections. How did you become our favorite talk show host? What happened with you? Because this isn't the same guy that was on MSNBC 20 years ago. And he said something I thought that was very profound and I think really does sum up the era in which we live. He said, you know, I'm a kid. I grew up in Georgetown, Tucker said. My dad was a GOP operative. Everybody I was around were political, you know,

kids of politicians or political operatives. We trick-or-treated together. We hung out together. We went to school together. We did Christmas together. I could see why someone might think Medicare and Medicaid might be the best way to help a certain disadvantaged group of people, even if my ideology doesn't agree, but I don't think that causes me suspicion about your motivations. He says what's happened in this current era in America, and really throughout the West, is decisions are being made that no one truly benefits from.

We can disagree vehemently, ideologically, about affirmative action, but somebody is affirmatively benefiting from that, even if we think the overall collateral damage doesn't justify it, and you disagree with that, there is someone benefiting from it. No one benefits from kids being sent off to the island of Dr. Moreau for meatball surgery. No one's benefiting

from that. No one's benefiting from the stuff that we're talking about right now. And he said, when I analyzed this as a kid who just grew up in the traditional political process, and I he said, when I analyzed this as a kid who just grew up in the traditional political process, and I see people and I go to my liberal friends and I'm asking, why are you guys doing stuff like this? And they suddenly don't have answers, but they're just going to do them anyway. He goes, that's when I just had to realize that there's a level of spiritual darkness

at play here. That's the only thing I can explain when this level of nihilism, and that's what you just described, Tim, a comprehensive nihilism, whether it's people's crave and greed, whether it's they've given themselves, another group has given themselves over to Malthusian ethics at a nihilistic Nietzschean level, okay, of depopulation, whether it's all of those things, whether it's stupidity, whether it's complacency, pour all that stuff in a cauldron, add a little dash of newt and an eye of bat, okay, and a cup of water and boil it together and pour it out. And what you see is systemic decline of a civilization. And

that's what we're living through right now. How do we reinvigorate spirit? Like Jesus tried, but they just killed him off and made a religion out of him. And they're like, worship him now. And it's like, dude, he was trying to wake people up to God. How do we, anytime I've seen in the past, people try to get co-opted and cults get made out of them. And then they just, the war machine moves on. The Roman Empire started a church. Well, here's what I would say.

No one remembers almost any of the names of the Roman war machine. Everybody still remembers Jesus's name. We mark time, by the way. We mark time, human civilizations mark time by the birth and death of christ all right the most the the most attended worship event in the of the year in human civilization for going on a second epoch is the is the is the marking of the resurrection of christ followed only by the marking of the birth of Christ. So I would argue his legacy is very intact.

Those people like me who believe that he is God, that he was resurrected, and the testimonies that we have of the changes that have gone on in our lives, and then we have gone on and helped other people and do things that are beyond our normal capability so we don't give ourselves over to the nihilism that Tim talks about, I would argue his legacy is intact. All the people that put him to death, they're all in the ground, all right? Nobody cares about any of them, but Christ is still exalted and hailed and worshipped 2,000 years later. So I think his legacy is in really good shape. I want to pull up this tweet from Marjorie Taylor Greene. She says, we need a national divorce. We need to separate by red states and blue states

and shrink the federal government. Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrats' traitorous America last policies, we are done.

Jon Stewart says, But we get to keep the name, right? And then Nicole Perlroth says, Cool, California can keep the name right and then nicole pearl pearl roth pro roth says cool california can keep the tech ag livestock georgia can keep their infant mortality incarceration rates and the country's lowest wages i find it interesting yeah you can see it's down here michael malice i love this topic by the way he posted the case for american secession from observer why it's time to disunite the united states marianne willson, did she just call for a civil war?

Does she know what happened the last time a few states said they wanted to leave? It's a funny thing for Marianne to say, because like, yes, the Confederates did say, hey, we're going to leave, and then the Union was like, no, you're not, and then sent troops down. So, the funny thing is, there are many people left. Sarah Silverman, I think, she

said this a while ago, didn't she? Said something about a national divorce i know she has talked about it i don't know about sarah silverman specifically but it's definitely something that comes up so i want to google it university of virginia did they have a center for politics they did this poll last last october and they found that like 50 of trump supporters are in favor of a national divorce and orcession. And 41% of Biden supporters are also like, yeah, that sounds good. We'll split up. I mean, it's a majority opinion that both political parties seem to hold, which is kind of wild. Yes, Sarah Silverman did say maybe we should

break up and to divide into like two or three countries. So this is a really, really great example of why we probably are headed towards a national divorce the fact that marjorie taylor green two years okay actually i think to be fair was it september september so a year and a half after sarah silverman calls for this marjorie taylor green calls for it and now liberals are angry how dare you say something that sarah silverman said a year and a half ago. It's actually bipartisan, right? It's bipartisan. And not only that, Marjorie's led to the party. To me, we absolutely need a national divorce, which is why it'll never happen. Because, first of all, as we just discussed with the James O'Keefe story, we can't have nice things in the era in which we live.

But I think what we're up against won't let us go. You're dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses that have tanks, all right? The same thing that has the Jehovah's... You ever have the Jehovah's Witness comes to your door on a Saturday? And it's always on the best weather Saturday of the year. Every time. It's like they plan it, always. It may just be that they only go out when it's nice out because it's comfortable. That could be it too. And see, now I'm the guy that pushes back because I'm just that kind of douche. And so I will ask them questions like, so let me get this straight.

Only 144,000 are going to be saved. Oh yeah. Well, I googled it and there's 4 million of you. So maybe you all need to settle this argument amongst yourselves before you bug the hell out of us tell me once well only that many will be saved and they've already been selected and i was like so what are we doing leave me the hell alone but but it's it's that level it's lyndon larushian

i'm in an airport hangar holding up signs about margaret thatcher 20 years after she's dead level of zealotry that that the spirit of the age that these these sorts of statist and who am i talking about these are the people that put their pronouns in their bio and before they had that they ukraine flag in their bio and before they had that they had their vax pass or their their vax card in their bio and before they had that they had their mask in their bio let me show how virtuous of a lemming i am to the spirit of the age, to the state. That level of zealotry isn't going to let you walk away. They're here to fix you. They're here to fix you.

And if you don't think you need to be fixed, you will be made to care. And the only reason the tanks aren't rolling yet is because you all own about 400 million guns. If you didn't, the tanks would be rolling already. Well, they're working on that part. Yeah. And so you're not going to let you. She's right when she says that. But any society that really needs that would not be able to accomplish it either because the divisions that exist once not both sides are not going to agree to peaceably walk away. When you come to the brink,

when you're about to ruin as much freedom, liberty, and prosperity as this country is about to flush down the toilet, that only happens because the forces that have pushed us to this brink are on some, you use the word cult, I use that in my show a lot, the level of cultic zeal that says, to hell with all those things. I have to win this argument no matter what. You cannot reason with that. That level of zeal will not let you walk away. Let me ask you,

how many countries have the freedoms guaranteed that we have? Like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, how many other countries? As enumerated and itemized as us,

I would argue none. Probably. I think it's probably close to none. I think maybe Liberia has something similar because it was created by Americans or something like that.

Not that it's really working out for them, to be completely honest. But I have to wonder then if it is a good thing for these bad people to see the U.S. break apart because it would remove one of the only true free or close to free as we can get societies. And look, the U.S. has its problems. It's not completely free there's still uh tribalism there's all these issues but man i've been to some of these countries been to countries where the cops will just kill you and that's it the world is not look i'll say watch yellowstone have you been have you ever seen that show i've been watching it recently so i'm gonna use it as analogies non-stop but in this show they just kill people you're in montana you're

in the united states but you're still in the wild west and they just kill people right you go to other countries the whole country is the wild west you're in a city watch the videos out of brazil you ever see these brazilian videos dudes chilling in like a grocery store and someone walks in with a gun they start shooting at them and then it's motorcycles pull up and jump out and rob you and people start shooting at each other i know we have those things happen here too, but it's not that bad. We often think things are way worse than they are. And some things are worse than other countries. Don't get me wrong. Some countries are nicer, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Sweden because of its lower crime rate is better than the US when the people in Sweden live under a boot and are scared to speak up and losing their jobs

because their whole country is woke. The United States has a lot of really awesome things going for it, but we're losing it. And if people don't speak up, it's going to become bad. Now, as it pertains to national divorce, I think that the challenge is, you know, someone super chatted that too much blood and treasure was sacrificed for this union. And that's an interesting point. I know Michael Malice, I know Luke Rutkowski, they talk about national divorce. And the issue I have with it is, in the end, it benefits those who seek to subjugate the

world, because at the very least, it would split the territory of freedom in half. If the country breaks apart, then we know the blue states go full Canada, and then there's even less freedom in the world. It would be the greatest breeding ground for limited war the world had ever seen if the u.s were to split in half it'd be one side would be communist chinese funded and then the other side would be the remnants of the united states or something like that any different than what we have right now well bomber planes would be dropping bombs on tulsa you know like annihilating cities that's why i don't think it can be. But this is what you explained there a second ago, Ian, is why people want it and then why I think we can't achieve it.

We got people want to rattle sabers with China. What would a war between the U.S. and China ultimately decide? The language the social credit system will all eventually go to is in. That's really what we're fighting for. That's what it is. There would be no higher principle other than, do you prefer Mandarin? Do you like Chinese hieroglyphics on your social credit score? Or do you want it accessible in English?

Because every major cultural institution in this country either is already owned by the Chinese or aspires to be like them. And so we're already in the dynamic that you described. That dynamic exists now. But the end result of seeing it play itself out would also result in what you are concerned about. We are headed there. That's unavoidable unless you start seeing great awakenings. Where do we have liberty in America to begin with? It's not a coincidence you had great awakening, spiritual revivals that then led to liberty in the country. And that's why John Adams said, constitution's only for a moral

and religious people. You can't have limited government with people that think their character has no limits upon it. They'll then eventually think I can do whatever the hell I want and then make you pay the bill and the freight for it when it blows up in my face. That's what we have now, called a welfare state. So eventually, we're going to either see revival, like we saw at the dawn of the country, or you're going to see the end of the country. And that's the path that we're on right now. This is a point of no return. What does revival look like in a modern sense? Like, is it a return to patriotism? Like, how would you see symptoms of revival? Patriarchy. Yeah, I love patriarchy.

Well, it has to begin with an acknowledgement of the God that our rights come from. Do we believe in God? That, to me, when Chesterton said America is the only country ever founded on a creed, that's really what he meant, that our rights come. And he was observing this as an English theologian, a British theologian, observing, you know, basically their offspring and how it had taken off after the Revolutionary War period. And that was his observation, is that America took the notion that rights come from God, the laws of nature and nature's God, and therefore they're not bestowed by governments,

and therefore governments don't have the ability to take them away, and governments are just as accountable to that same God as the people that rights come from. Now we have civil rights. We don't have individual rights. We have group rights now. We don't have a justice system based on restitution anymore. That's what stuff like eye for an eye in the Bible means. It doesn't literally mean eye for an eye. It means what you have taken from someone else must be taken from you, or you must restore it. There must be restitution. We don't have that now. Now you've committed a crime against society. Everything is centralized. Everything's collectivist. We see this in health care. That's why we had that's why we had COVID

fascism, because Obamacare ended the last vestige of the patient provider relationship left in America. Men will pay for pap smears now. You're all on a community rating now. Everybody's a unit now. Everybody's a file. I mean, if you... Dude, go back and listen to Bob Seger's I Feel Like a Number from like 40 years ago. That's freaking prophecy on where we are right now. Californication by the Red Hot Chili Peppers is really about wokeism. That's what Californication is, is wokeism. He was singing about that in 2003 or something. What was he just referenced 40 years ago? Bob Seger's Feel Like a Number. Go Google the lyrics for that. It'll read like a prophecy

of 21st century America. One of the problems of us all having rights given from God that we found at the country line, except for those people, those savages, they're not even human. They weren't even human to those people. They killed the Native Americans and slaughtered them. And the black people were three-fifths of a human in the eyes of God, according to the founders. So like,

yeah, we say it's God given us rights, but like, obviously the history shows otherwise. We slaughtered 90% of the native population that we didn't consider them human. I mean, the people didn't even consider them human at the time, which is like the most abhorrent thing in the eyes of God I can imagine is that humans would consider another human non, like a dirty animal non-human and then kill it and say it has no rights. So how do we justify now? Here's the challenge, I think, Ian, is that everybody projects. And one of the big mistakes people make when it comes to any kind of historical conquest is the projection of your cultural values

onto cultures that no longer exist or have deeply different values. So I find this interesting in history, the idea that all humans are sound morally and that we should agree with all of their ways of life. Like, you know, the Aztec notoriously would sacrifice people, rip their hearts out or whatever. What would they do? They put them on an altar and then like cut their head. Cut them open with obsidian?

Yeah. And then, and while they're alive and things like that. So you got to understand that even deeply religious, I mean, like the colonial Europeans were deeply religious and probably very zealous in terms of their beliefs. But imagine how you would feel as this like somewhat liberal libertarian type modern man watching a bunch of people drag a screaming woman upstairs and then jam her in the chest with obsidian and cut her open in front of you, you wouldn't be thinking these are good people. You'd be thinking these people are animals. Oh my, oh my God. I mean, not literal animals. You're saying that in a derogatory sense, like what is wrong with these people? I'm not saying every Native American population was that way. I'm just saying what

happens is young people today look around at this society that we've built through blood and sacrifice, blood and treasure for all of the death fought along the way. The Civil War itself, how many dead Union soldiers to preserve this Union ultimately leading to the end of the Civil War. Not that it was the exact intention of the Civil War, but that was a big component of it. And then they say, look at this and say, all societies must have been this way and the conquest of such must have been wrong. And it's like, dude, like that group of people was going around murdering kids and raping women nonstop.

Yeah, we all agree that was a bad thing and they got conquered, you know? Are we at the point of history where conquering and destroying is not the way forward to get now? Like, are we truly there? Oh, no. No, I think that's still happening.

No, it's just being, it's done differently. You're living in a post-Christian America now, and really a post-Christian Western civilization. So what will come next? Exactly what preceded Christendom or Western civilization, the Dark Ages. That's what will come next. Now, these Dark Ages, the good news is,

you won't have to worry about dying a bubonic plague because rats are crapping in the street outside your home, okay? And that's getting into the water table. We're too advanced technologically. This will be a technocratic Dark Ages, all right? So it'll look like, well, frankly, China. You'll have the accoutrements of modernity. You'll have a car.

It'll be electric, and they will determine from a central hub whether it comes on or not, how far you can drive. You'll have access to the Internet. They will determine what you can and cannot see and how often you you can drive. You'll have access to the internet. They will determine what you can and cannot see and how often you can use it. You'll have a mobile phone. They'll determine who you can talk to and monitor everybody else. It'll be a technocratic dark ages, all right? But it'll be a dark age for individual liberty and individual agency nevertheless. Outside in the history of the human species, outside of acknowledgement

of a biblical worldview on some level, even imperfectly, there has never been any regard for individual freedom and liberty in the 7,000-year history of recorded human history, period, regardless of language, period, custom, culture. It's never happened outside of a biblical worldview because it's the only one that says men and women are each made in the likeness and image of god it's the only one that ever has said that or proclaim that which is why outside of it it simply doesn't happen we don't believe in that worldview anymore which is now why we went from feminism to now men are going to become women now and become even better women than the women were we don't believe in

anything america the west is like the joker but not the heath ledger version at least the heath ledger version wanted to prove a point we had an argument that he were the joaquin phoenix version we're the one that looks at robert de niro and says i don't believe in anything that's who we are you know what the reason i have issues with christendom and why I gotta I gotta address that one the Joaquin Phoenix version is a combination of mental illness and anger at the system I think you're you're right the Joaquin Phoenix version of Joker is basically a guy who doesn't understand what's going on and is just angry and entitled so he kills a guy who helped him let me let me stress this because this is a really really good point point, especially for those who know I love pop culture references. The Joker film, awesome.

You guys have all seen it? Joker? Negative, no. You've not seen Joker? No. Amazing film. And spoiler alert, I think it's the perfect example of, one, they show all the protesters in the streets screaming about the 99% – about the 1% smashing things. He riles them up,

this Joker character. In the end, they're like dancing and cheering for him. And that's basically the idea is that he gets these followers because he kills this late-night comedian saying, you get what you deserve. Here's the funny thing about it, though. This is about a guy who's mentally ill. And he's down on his luck. He's abused. And then finally, he snaps and he kills some dudes on a train who were messing with him. And it's like, you kind of understand why he's so angry. And he's down on his luck. He's abused. And then finally he snaps and he kills some dudes on a train who were messing with him. And it's like, you kind of understand why he's so angry, but he really doesn't understand the system. He thinks Thomas Wayne's his dad. He's not. He's crazy. He does a standup routine and he gets made fun of for doing it because he forgets his lines and laughs at his own jokes. A late night TV show host puts that video on tv and they all laugh at it a true comedian

at that point would be like i did it they're laughing at me i figured something out this is working they're laughing let's let's roll with it rodney dangerfield i was just gonna say how many great comedians have made a routine out of self-deprecation and it was it was hilarious and then you're with them and so think about what this movie represents with joker he's a guy who does something really funny that everyone laughs at but he gets mad because it wasn't the way they were supposed to laugh so he goes on the show when given an opportunity when they actually say okay come on the show in front of the world and decides to kill the guy because they didn't give him what he wanted because they didn't give him his emotional satisfaction that's why he's a bad guy.

And that's what I see today with the wokeness, with the protesters. They're mentally ill. They're unstable. They're angry. They're entitled. And they don't understand that our founding fathers and our ancestors have given them everything. That's why they hated the movie. That's why the forces we're talking about hated this film,

is they recognized it was the fulfillment of their own nihilistic worldview this is where it goes yep and then you get the uh right that the heath ledger joker was trying to prove a point about he says if you know if i if i told the news a busload of soldiers be blown up nobody cares but if you say a mayor dies and that they all lose their minds and it's like okay well he's actually got some method to his madness right Walking Phoenix really represented, in my opinion, all of the wokeness. I was going to mention Christendom, which we were talking about earlier, and why I think there's a problem, why people are having a problem with it and have hated it for so long and want nothing to do with it, because it was used as a cudgel. It used God as a constrictive tool. And if you

didn't worship God the way I want you to worship it, then we're going to execute you. Or similar to what this Joaquin guy, like if they don't do it the way I want them to do it. So they would use it as a system of control. And you had someone like Luther, Martin Luther, I think he said, it's between you and God. It has nothing to do with the church. Forget about the business, the bureaucrats. And they tried to kill him for that. And so I think people hate the business, the bureaucrats, and they try to kill him for that. And so I think people hate

the business of church, not that they have, and they don't even know what God is or understand the emotions attached with experiencing that vibration. I completely agree with everything you just said. Yeah. I think people are turned off by religion, especially, you know, very dogmatic, legalistic religion. it can have very negative consequences but it's hard not to think that the other part is that people don't want to have to be accountable for themselves right like if you have christian there's morality or things that are right and wrong you have to hold yourself accountable to that there are higher values you

set your eyes on the things above and if you want to live an indulgent lifestyle here and now and only think about what concerns you today, then why would you want to be religious, right? If your pleasure comes from momentary satisfaction or pursuing things that are wrong and bad for your soul, then, like, of course you're not going to go to church. Of course you're talking about, but I think there are also people who want to live for their own pleasure and have no higher moral consequences. Completely agree. I mean, I'm going to be 50 this year. And so my generation, Gen Xers, we're the first post-sexual revolution, first porn generation, mainstream porn generation in America. My mom got pregnant with me at 15, actually 14, by her high school senior boyfriend. Found out over Christmas break of 1972. Then January, a month later, we get Roe versus Wade. Originally, the cutoff was the first

trimester. She's right at the cutoff. She has time. She can go get an abortion. Her mom is twice divorced, five kids from two different marriages living in the white trash part of town. That wasn't easy to do 50 years ago, let alone now. Okay. She decides in the end she can't go through with an abortion. So she has me at 15. We were on food stamps, ADC, all of that.

She ends up marrying a guy out of the Navy who came from a very abusive background. He was very abusive to us physically, mentally, verbally. I had a hard time for many, many years. I didn't become a Christian until I was 30. And most stats show if you're not one by the time you're 18, the odds you'll become one are very, very low. Why? Because a lot of times our first notions of God as a father come from the father that we had in our own home. And if the father in our own home cannot properly model that to us, the older we get, the harder it is for us to grasp that concept. And so it was very difficult for me to understand the idea of an altruistic God. It was very difficult for me to accept that. It was very

difficult for me to look at the evil in the world and think that such an altruistic being could exist. It was very difficult for, then of course, I liked the way I was living. I didn't want to change, as you just pointed out. And then I realized there's a missing component in all of this. We're all very anxious to question God's character. When do we start questioning our own? When does the questioning of our character begin? And then you have to ask, well, who among us has the wherewithal to judge one another's character? Are you perfect? You? You?

I'm not. So then we all realize no one's perfect, so no one can judge our character. So guess then what we don't have any more of? Character. No one's held accountable for anything. And so you have this systemic societal collapse, and that becomes a feedback loop. And that's where we are now. And that's why I said we need revival. We need to remember that there is a creator. There is a better way than this. And yeah, you are correct, Ian. We could sit here with every worldview, and we could pick out a few

moments. I mean, have you ever had your heart broken by a woman before? Yes. Did you proclaim celibacy and decide all women? For like five years, yeah. Did you? Okay. But are you a celibate now? No. Are all women terrible because a few broke your heart and disappointed you? No, but they were for like seven years, man. And I made a lot of videos about my hate for women. And you were hurt. Yeah. But eventually though, the need that you had for that companionship for that intimacy eventually that need wore one out did it not say that one more time the need for that for for companionship for for intimacy that need that you had that desire went out over the

anger and the bitterness that you experienced because of the way your heart was broken right i think i didn't i didn't know i couldn't sense the need. I was desensitized to the want of a woman, of the connection of a relationship, emotions for like a decade. And I almost, you know, that was the end. But then I just decided to start over again. And, you know, I still- I would encourage you, I would encourage you, open up a Bible, just you and God, one-on-one. Give God that exact same shot.

Because a lot of the historical examples you're going to cite are true. Christians, Catholics and Protestants littered the fields of Europe with blood post-Protestant Reformation for a century. All right? Our country figured out a way to keep those forces at bay through the things that Tim talked about

that were enumerated in the Constitution. That's what no religious test for office meant. You've got all these colonies that are all founded by different vestiges of the Christian church. And literally, if you were a different denomination, you couldn't vote or be a citizen in some of these other colonies. They figured out ways to lawfully navigate those differences.

But I would urge, and I'd urge not just you, anyone within the sound of my voice, this thing is doomed unless more of us get recreated with our creator. And I would urge you, just open up a Bible, you and your creator, one-on-one, and see if he answers. You know what's funny is that a lot of liberals are starting to come around to this. Granted, most liberals aren't, but there are disaffected liberal types who I'm hearing,

I don't want to call anybody out, but there are a few examples of prominent classical and traditional liberals who are saying, I'm not religious, but I now recognize the importance of religion in society. Maybe I can give a shout out to at least one. I think James Lindsay has talked about this. There's a few others. For me, I grew up Catholic. So my family was always to a certain degree, a Catholic. For me, though, I kind of drifted away from it. But I've long talked about this. And there was a period where I was like, I'm an atheist. But the way I would describe it now is I didn't understand anything about God when I was a kid because I didn't know what people were talking about.

Didn't understand what atheism was as a teenager because it was, again, just people around me until I actually started to read for myself. And then ultimately studying – I was reading books on physics, and I was reading the internet and trying to learn about time. And then I started to think about all the things I learned in religious class when I was at Catholic school. And I was like, wait a minute. And I started to see a bigger picture here. But I think, interestingly, what many people have talked about, Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, when they did the initial Sokol Squared hoax, I did a podcast with them talking about how this wokeness is a non-theistic religion. It has filled the gap. Preach's it's filled the gap absolutely yeah but the issue is it is it is

chaos to traditional religion's order and i think what you end up with is the one way i'll put it this i'll put it this way the stories i heard when i was younger about christians came from liberals and it was i would describe as mostly anti-religious propaganda. When I actually started to meet real conservatives and Christians, I was like, these people are nothing like they've been described to me. And ain't that the story of the culture war we're hearing right now? Trump's a fascist, the far right, they're evil, they're racist, because they want to keep people on one side of the fire. And they want to say there's a wall of fire.

Don't go near it. It'll burn you. But on the other side, people are chilling. They're good people. And so I remember one of the important stories for me was meeting a friend. I was in the suburbs of Chicago where it was more conservative and they were pro-life and I'd never talked to someone who was pro-life before. And they gave me very sound, reasonable explanations for their beliefs.

They weren't too dissimilar to what my family had said, but they were a little bit on the other side. And I was like, well, these are normal arguments. These are not crazy. These people aren't insane. Like, what was all this stuff I was being told? So now what I think you see is with wokeness, you have what I would describe as just fire. It is spreading. It is a chemical reaction.

It is a chaotic and destructive force. It's the Joaquin Phoenix Joker. It's the Joaquin Phoenix Joker. It's the Joaquin Phoenix Joker. It's zombification. It's the zombie undead version of our culture, of the things we believe. Like, racism is bad. We want to get away from that. We want equality.

The Constitution guarantees it. And then you get this zombified corpse version that's actually just infecting and destroying the institutions that we are actually trying to protect. We want to get rid of the bad stuff, keep the good stuff, and build upon it. It's just consuming everything and destroying it.

The most dangerous conversation in America is the one Ian and I were just having. That's the most dangerous conversation. People have some disparate views on a very important topic, but are willing to sit down in a setting publicly in front of other people and hash them out and discuss them openly, share their own personal perspectives of what's gone on in their own lives

as to why they came to some of the conclusions they did or why they have yet to come to those conclusions or took them to. This is this is how we actually come now in reason together. The wokeness religion that you just described, everything that it does is to avoid this kind of a conversation from occurring, whether it's about whether it's about faith, whether it's about ideology, whether it's about political parties, whether it's about particular issues. It's all to avoid this kind of neighborly conversation that allows differences to get discussed and hashed out. I want to do a hard segue and progress this because we do have we have this story here from Timcast.com.

Zelensky warns of World War Three. China allies with Russia. I do see an opportunity for China to make a pragmatic assessment of what is happening here. I want to bring this up because for those that are just tuning in or just jumping into the segment, we were talking about religion, cultural decay, societal decay. Joe Biden, the president of the United States, went on a surprise visit to Ukraine with a $500 million gift. You know he could use $500 million? People in Ohio?

People in Ohio. Flint, Michigan? People in Flint, Michigan. Project Veritas? Should we be in foster care in America? I say yes to Project Veritas, but in all seriousness, Pittsburgh's got a pipe problem.

Yeah, how about we sprinkle some iron dust into the rivers in East Palestine and then put a magnet in there? Because what happens is the oil coagulates around the iron particles and then you can use a magnet to get the oil out. Did you guys hear Greta Thunberg's going to? Just kidding. Go ahead. Oh, yeah.

Look, it's this simple. We're being warned of World War III. Zelensky says if China allies with Russia, we're being told the world is on the brink of destruction. Why would there be World War III if China allies with Russia, we're being told the world is on the brink of destruction. Why would there be World War III if China allies with Russia? Oh, what he's actually saying is because the U.S. will blindly and unapologetically give Ukraine all the support that it ever wants. If China and Russia team up, yes, the U.S. will fall in line behind Zelensky and go into an international conflict between two superpowers or two world powers. Jimmy Dore was saying that how Zelensky is really falling in line behind the war machine. And if he says, no, we're going to have peace, that they'll just kill him.

And I think so. I'm just I see this World War Three. What if the U.S. just says that we're not interested in war, not over Ukraine? What if Russia and China team up and they say we're now going to take Ukraine? And the U.S. went, you were not Ukraine, have a nice day. What he's saying is the U.S. will do what Ukraine wants. Well, especially since we've already poisoned, poised all of our citizens to be obsessed with Ukraine. Do you remember all the flags everywhere all the time? Like we made this an issue that apparently are especially liberal leaning voters

are going to die on. Right. So if Biden backs out, if he says, oh, actually, I'm going to cut off funds, then his base will turn on him and be like, how could you abandon the poor people of Ukraine? I think they'll actually just. Oh, great. Yeah. OK, then I think they're that compliant. I think I think Joe Biden could do this on camera and say this is our new foreign policy. Fart noises in the armpit and there and that'llit. And that'll be their new avatar on Twitter tomorrow. I've got a pair of Vans shoes. They're blue with like a yellow stripe on it. And I've had people be like- They're West Virginia colors.

Or the Ukraine colors. Exactly. And I've had people be like, oh, you know, blue. I'm like, come on, man. Just shoes. West Virginia forever. West Virginia shoes. We'll just call them West Virginia shoes.

This issue with Ukraine is my last nerve. And this is hard for me to say as a kid who's a child of the 80s, who grew up in the we're America bitch 80s, who wore Alex P. Keaton monogrammed sweater vests, and got up in the middle of the night to cheer reagan bombing qaddafi back to the neolithic period this is hard for me to say okay you're taking my my high school age son to fight and die in ukraine literally over my dead body i'm never allowing that i'm never letting you take him to die for your Habsburg dynasty, World War I, needless 20 million pile of deaths replay over your elites pissing contest.

Not happening. I don't care what the threat is. I don't care what the penalty is. And if you think you're drafting my daughters, get the camps ready because you're going to need them. Never happening. This is an example. If history doesn't just repeat, it rhymes. These are a bunch of elites, a little cabal that throw Putin, all of them all in together. This is a Habsburg dynasty pissing contest over a strip of land most people can't find,

don't care about, has no strategic value to anybody within the sound of my voice unless they're involved in investing money with Hunter Biden. This thing is such a crock. It's so fake. It's so phony. It's one of the most simplistic, disgusting stories I've ever seen. It's one of the most cynical stories I've ever seen. It's wag the dog, but dumber. And this to me is the final straw of just absolute civil disobedience. We're never fighting your damn war. Hell no. I think it's such pageantry. I think you're totally right. It's all fake. I mean, the fact

that Zelensky can come to our Congress and not manage to put on a suit, Joe Biden goes to see him wearing a suit like he's playing a character. It's so bizarre. He's the only world leader on the brink of war, apparently, or in the middle of war, who has be in i guess camo or whatever to convey to this people that yes in fact we are fighting so much so that he has time to do a vogue cover shoot with his wife i mean it's just bizarre you too he's got time for you too he's got time for you too he's got time to make major public appearances around the world via via zoom i guess he's not he can't leave his country but it's all for show he has to continuously say this is so drastic of course Lindsey Graham is saying oh Mitch McConnell uh with his Ukrainian

tie the most important issue in the country today is Ukraine okay uh Lindsey Graham nasty uh well I don't care about provoking Putin of course you don't because you don't have any sons you made that lifestyle choice you don't have any sons so nobody with your dna lindsey's going out there on those battlefields to freaking die for somebody's trust fund or grift fund it'll be our sons those of us who do have children they're the ones that'll go out there won't be hunter biden i mean he's tried to kill himself with enough crack we all know that but it won't be him doing it won't be their sons dying. It'll be ours. Hell to the no, never happening. Shove it up your ass. We're never doing this. But I think you need more

Americans saying stuff like that. I remember when my brother, he was a Marine and he deployed to Afghanistan. Did any of us think we should be there? It was crazy. And yet we have been sending people to wars because we say they're supposed to be there for a long time i hope that ukraine is a wake-up call right that these are people who should not be going that we're sending anyways for pointless things but i just don't know that it will be i hope it is i like that you are likening it to the hapsburg dynasty which is like a family that was obsessed with keeping the germans and i don't know the actually the literal history of the haapsburg family exactly.

They were all married. They were all related. Was that where they had like the weird jaws and like the deformities from they were like east of Germany where they like Austro-Hungarian, Hungarian. After a certain point it was just a lot of people. Inbreeding basically. And they were trying to control the dissent within Europe.

Maintaining Germany. So they like that the Germans and the Russians are fighting. If the Germans had won World War I, what would have been different? What was World War I thought about? Nothing. It was a pissing contest of elites.

My group of, my wing of the Habsburg dynasty will rule over yours. Wasn't it? And that'll cost 20 million lives. Well, the only thing that came, the only good thing we did in World War I

is perfected frigging distribution of mustard gas. We didn't do anything else. anything else the tank wasn't like three cousins that went to war there was they were all yeah they're all related all the habsburgs by the time we got to 19 by the time we got to 1914 they're all related they this intermarrying within these empires had gone on for centuries they're all related by the time we get there and so it's just literally it's literally a playground cross this god draw a line in the sand cross this line your ass is mine that's what we used to say when i was a kid all right so they they the the archduke ferdinand son gets

killed or nephew was it i think can't remember gets gets assassinated they cross the line now the other alliances come in cross the line before you know it now, the guns of August have fired. 20 million people died for nothing. All we did in World War I was lay waste to Germany to give birth to the Third Reich and the worst regime that's probably ever existed in the history of humanity. Was it like just an arms development research program, the war, under the guise of a war? Like, we want to see how our tanks fight against our tanks? As a kid born to a 15-year-old mommy, and I don't know what it's like to have so much of that inherent privilege

that after a while, you're just like, I got to fire off some of these rounds because I can't just throw them away. I don't know the answer to your question. I mean, my mom, I was on food stamps as a kid, so I don't know the answer to that question. All I know is there is no, if you look at traditional Christian just war theory,

this is not, fighting and dying for Ukraine, morally, is christian just war theory this is not fighting and dying for ukraine morally is not a just war period i agree with that sentiment well at least from this perspective it doesn't look like it i i think that he wants sevastopol the the trade port and that he wants east 105 that freeway going down if we act like dickheads he's going to want east 97 and east 105 everything east of the Dnipro River. But, I mean, I don't see why armistice isn't the focus. I am no fan of Vladimir Putin. I can't tell you

how many times Russia today tried to book me on their shows, and I never returned their calls. That all being said, Vladimir Putin didn't try to turn me into an experiment for Pfizer and Moderna for the last two years. Vladimir Putin didn't say, by the way, if you did not consent to being a member of said experiment, you can't work.

Like, literally like Mark of the Beast, you can't buy or sell stuff because how the hell are you going to buy or sell anything? You don't have a job, all right? So you can't work. Vladimir Putin didn't say, hey, your family business is not essential. That business that your family's had for 100 years, that family farm, it's not essential anymore. It's got to go.

We don't even need to be so specific to be completely honest. Vladimir Putin's under the doorstep. The Soviet Union doesn't exist. It collapsed. And this is a border dispute with Russia and Ukraine that for some reason the U.S. thinks

it's worth going to World War III over. So I agree with your sentiment. We've got problems. I agree with that too. The calls, if you look at our biggest problems, I often say to my audience on the Blaze or my Twitter feed, the calls are coming from inside the house.

All right? The calls are coming from inside the house. We've got 90. You want to go to war with China? How about maybe taking back control of your medical supply that you gave them 80% of the manufacturing for? We can't go to war with them. Dude, they actually make some of our own weapon systems. We're going to go war with the country that makes all of our,

all of our, 80% of our antibiotics and some of our high-tech weapon systems that most of our elites want to be like anyway. The calls are coming from inside the house.

The battle is here. I've often, we've talked about this quite a bit. What would happen if China declared war on the U.S. right now? If they said,

we are officially warring states, back the F off. Vitamin C, antibiotics, skateboards would be gone. People have no idea how much of the standard products we get are made in China and shipped here. If China said we're at war and cut off trade, what, half of our box stores would be empty. You'd be like, wait, I can't get medicine anymore? No, no, it's actually made in China. Isn't that crazy?

They'd be just as screwed. So I don't think it doesn't really make sense for it. Just as screwed, I'm not so convinced. Oh yeah, good point. Then you look at the amount of farmland they own and they could just go Stalingrad on us and just burn the farmland to cut off our supply chain. I mean, we're in this position

because the great experiment of utopian progressivism, globalism, didn't work. And the reason it didn't work is it ignores the basics of human nature. And this is how crazy the times have gone. When I got into this business 15 years ago, Bill Maher was doing documentaries like Religio...

Religio... Religio-less. Yeah, thank you. And I mean, I was doing whole shows debating him on that. Now I do shows where I play clips of Bill Maher and affirmatively quote him. Even though I'm not sure he's changed any of his views, and I know I sure as hell haven't changed any of mine.

But at least the old culture war, I liked the old culture war. The old culture war where people like me and people like Marr debated, we both agreed, first of all, that individuals have some agency and human beings have some rights of conscience. And the debates that people like me

and people like Marr were having is what's the limit on that right of conscience, right? He basically is, by his own admission, a libertine. He basically made the Marquis de Sade argument. If I'm not hurting anybody else, nobody else's problem, do what thou wilt. That is the whole of the law. That was essentially his argument, okay? People like me made the argument, well, there's a little bit more to it because the one that gave us our agency and the one that gave us that conscience has a few rights of limiting it that we need to listen to for our own good. And that was the argument that we had is, did people like me go too far?

People like him go too far? Somewhere in the middle, a reasonable society could emerge. The new argument now is you have no individual agency at all. You have no rights of conscience at all. And so this is why, without changing our positions on literally anything, this is why Bill Maher and Steve Dace are saying a lot of the same things right now. Because we are both recognizing that old argument about agency and conscience is out the window. We're actually having an argument whether we have any agency or conscience whatsoever. Are we totally wards of the state from the moment we breathe? But also I think Bill Maher started finally paying attention to the news news i think he knew more than he was letting on for a while and he just didn't want to say anything because his audience is it's liberals but he got to that point where he's seen

this stuff he's like i just can't anymore the issue uh and this is exemplified by the prager uh episode where prager said they're putting tampons in men's room and the men's room and bill maher laughed and the audience laughed and everyone said, yo, that's not true. And then Bill was like, that's for their girlfriends. What are you talking about? And Prager was completely correct. So I think, I think, uh, has, has Bill Maher apologized for that? I think he may have addressed it. I think I talked about it recently. I can't remember, but what, what we've been watching for a decade, Bill Maher has only started paying attention to in the past couple of years. So I wonder if the issue is simply all of those things you were worried about 10 years ago in the old culture war, Bill just didn't read.

So he didn't know what he was talking about. Did he really think that tampons were in men's bathrooms to bring to their girlfriend? When Dennis Prager brought up that, Dennis Prager said, if you claim a man can menstruate, you're a liar. And everyone laughs. And he goes, that's what they're starting to claim. And Bill's like, who? Who's saying it? He's like, it's in the media.

It's all over the news. Google it. Just Google search it. You'll see it. And then they all start laughing. He's like, they're putting tampons in the men's room. And then Bill goes, that's for their girlfriends. Come on.

No one's saying this. And they're all just laughing at him. And, of course, Prager was completely correct. But Bill Maher, he's in his 60s. He's not paying attention to what's going on. He has no idea what's going on at these universities. He doesn't read the news. But he is now.

That's the wonderful thing. Yeah. Well, maybe when his publicist came to him and said, hey, they're calling you a Nazi. He was like, what? Me? And they're like, yeah, because you said these things. What? Oh, I bet he went because in early 2000s his show politically incorrect was off the chain

awesome and then it got he got kicked off tv because he was too hot for tv telling the truth about the war machine he said what he said the guys that hijacked the planes were probably not cowards because that was a brave thing to do to throw your life away for something you believe in what's his argument you can't say that yeah well then what happens is you go into hibernation where it's like i i just got to pretend like everything's fine no no no and then finally for something you believe in. No, you can't say that. Yeah. Well, then what happens is you go into hibernation where it's like, I just got to pretend like everything's fine and get by. And then finally, you can't take it anymore.

You got to speak up. He got older. He's not consuming the up-to-date information on things. Like I'm not gonna be able to come here and tell you about the latest TikTok trend. I don't know. And in 10 years, when all of these young people who have built up big followings on TikTok

are not talking politics, I'm not going to see what they're saying. Of course, me understanding that issue, I try to have a better connection to the generation's concerns in the political arena, of which right now as millennials, I'm entering the end of my 30s. I'll be 37 in about two weeks. So for younger people, what do we do? Well, we've got, you know, you're young-ish, I guess, Hannah. It's me. I'm a token female young person.

There you go. We're bringing young people. And we try to pay attention to what younger people are talking about, but there's a lot less younger people who care about politics, and that's the way it tends to be. When Bill Maher turned 60, and millennials are now in their 30s, inheriting these systems and saying— Raising kids of their own. Raising kids.

Having a perspective beyond just their own selfishness. And see what the schools are doing. Seeing what they're teaching their kids, they're talking about it. You get Loudoun County. You get that fight. And Bill Maher, in his 60s, doesn't pay attention to these mediums, has no idea what's going on. And I'd be willing to bet the only reason he came to the position where he is now calling it out is because he kept getting notes from his publicist saying, you're a Nazi today, you're a white supremacist tomorrow. And Bill was probably like, what is this? What are they complaining about? Why am I getting

negative press from all of these people? Then he gets half introduced to what everyone else is talking about. Now he's like, this is crazy. People are yelling at me for this stuff. If Bill Maher actually paid attention to a show like this or to the commentary we've had for the past several years or even like the Lotus Eaters podcast with Carl Benjamin for a decade, he'd be well versed on the modern culture wars. But it's not just that he doesn't pay attention. It's that I think this is true for most demographics, generations. They care about their peers. I don't pay attention to what Gen Xers are paying attention to.

Bill Maher is a boomer, I think. I don't pay attention. I haven't seen Billie Eilish on his show yet. And Bill Maher. Not that he wouldn't have her. I only know who that is because of my own kids. So there you go. Bill Maher most likely cares about people in his yeah

surrounding demographic which is nice about what's happening is because it's like he he emerged from the matrix out of that tank of wet goo and he's like pulling other people out of it with him like brian cranston people that are like 65 60 year old normies that are really influential are friends with bill so like he's kind of a tip of a spear for that generation. His new, I saw him and Cranston did an episode of his new show. What is it? Where they're just hanging out?

Club Random. Yeah. And they're like both like gently kind of acknowledging the culture war and like how crazy stuff is. As an aside, we're gonna be, I'm gonna be launching a new show that's basically just sitting down and talking to people.

That's great, dude. Are you going to publicly announce the specifics? The dates, the times, all that? We've got to figure out when we're going to publish it. We're going to record it on Friday mornings because Friday mornings are just garbage news days. And the views are way down. People are a lot less interested. I know it sucks for people who like watching the news segments on Fridays, but it's just like journalists are all checked out and i'm like it's an opportunity to

do a different show so we have a guest coming this friday i believe and it's not going to be it's going to be cultural but it's not going to be like news topics i've ended like we do here talking about current events it's going to be just like open conversation what i love about the open convo is because that's how you envelop the spirit of the individual like that's the real the real conversation bringing the humanity out of people. Like we can talk about what happened and what might happen, but you really want to talk to someone about who they are. Man, that's when you see God. So to clarify, I've had people say stuff like, Tim Kirsten, Tim's just trying to be like Joe Rogan.

And I'm like, we pull up the top news stories of the day, and then I have a timer where we track news story segments, which is a combination of the guest's perspective and our perspective on current events. What this new show is probably will be more like Rogan. It's literally just, or like Club Random. I'm going to sit down and be like, hey, what's up? This is who you are. Let's have a conversation. So it's like something we don't actually do in full. It's hard for me not to think that people who say,

oh, this is like Joe Rogan, don't really watch either one of those shows. They're obviously different as soon as you watch them. It'd be like saying like, oh, that crime show is like Lawe rogan don't really watch either one of those shows they're obviously different as soon as you watch them it'd be like saying like oh that crime show is like law and order sv like tucker carlson is the exact same as as rachel maddow yeah exactly this is more like the view get it straight yeah exactly well and i did want to say sorry to cut you off the only thing i was gonna say is i just looked it up while we were talking and bill maher doesn't have any children so what you're saying like the reason that you know who this pop singer is is because you have children yeah the people who keep you alert to

what's going on in your school system the people who you have to think well what's in their best interest what what are their concerns you know some people and i if you didn't have kids like i'm not going to speculate on why but it is interesting that this coincides with the push especially for young women not to children, to say why we got that crazy list, why 300 reasons why you should definitely not have children, they're bad, and even the good reasons are actually bad. There is a push to keep people away from being connected to generations as well as to people within their own community. It's really sad. Dude, intergenerational communication is so key. I love internet video games for that reason,

why I'm still tapped into how a 14-year- old thinks is i mean i don't like get down with 14 year olds intentionally but it's fun to know it's it's so important if you play a game like if you play online video games on playstation you just oh man i i like playing human fall flat you play that game i've not played that one it's it's a silly game and you like you're a guy and you have you can like grab stuff and you climb up it's just a weird control i don't know how to describe it you're just like a little dude trying to like climb obstacles and make it to the exit but don't turn on the audio because if you turn it on all you'll hear is like 10 year olds going and i'm like okay you know if you want to figure out what the kids are up to just play call of duty and then you'll get some 12-year-old.

I'm playing Hogwarts Legacy with my teenage son right now. Yeah, I'm playing that now, but not with my teenage son. That game's incredible. Oh, wow. Good game. I like it. We're going to go to Super Chats pretty soon. I want to ask you about your book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, because we've been talking about COVID,

basically the government reactions to COVID. That's what this book's about. Correct. What is it about that that you saw that had in common with the third Reich, which is Hitler's organization is Nazi organization. So a lot of people know about the Nuremberg trials that came out of world war II, but there was an, there was another aspect of the Nuremberg trials. They held separate trials for what they described basically as a biomedical fascist state that essentially the healthcare sector had fused with the state to impose a lot of the experimentation and was categorized as healthcare policy.

And so there was the Hippocratic Oath, the idea of human worth and dignity were totally lost via the healthcare sector. So there was no more guardrails for anyone to go to for their humanity to get recognized once the state took it away. Were you going to say something there, Tim? I was going to ask you about, I'm just thinking about what we do with Japan. Not necessarily Japan. Didn't we bring over a bunch of their scientists?

Oh, you're thinking of, we brought over a bunch of the German scientists. Paper clip. But there was also something with the Japanese scientists. Because we learned a lot of information from unit 731 just because they did things that we never would say right ethical to do and i just took the information anyways and then now we have all this you know i was gonna say i wonder if like war stuff if you're talking about world war one and i'm like i'm wondering if that typically is their excuse for experimentation unit 731 that's the yeah like and paperclip but But paperclip was mostly like what?

Like physics and weapons and stuff? Yep. And so what we saw here is the exact same thing. Obamacare basically ended what was left of the individual patient-provider relationship on a corporate level in much of America. You can still find doctors that are independent. You can still go to a place like an integrative family health clinic in your area and not get sick care, but actual health care. But by and large, corporately,

Obamacare ended the patient provider system. And you're no longer an individual. You're not treated. Now we have, we've got guidelines from CDC. This is the code. CDC has the guidelines. Here's how we treat you. And all of that now was perfectly set up for when COVID came along. All of these ham-fisted policies there is that we didn't look at anything individual didn't look at individual regions because new york's hospitals are run over montana's schools have to be shut down and on and on and on it went and the fact that they they were the tip of the spear to impose all of this they were that you were never allowed to question any of it the science was

against them from the very beginning there were and this wasn't a what i think a lot of people thought that this was a a substitute for the global warming debate that the a bunch of right wingers against scientific consensus wrong the reality is there were elite scientists from harvard yale stanford oxford number one rated university in the world, according to U.S. News & World Report, that pushed back against these things from the very beginning of the Imperial College survey that shut the world down. And yet they were all ignored.

They were ignored by the Trump White House. They were ignored by every government in the world. And we just went with this ham-fisted plan instead. They never stepped back. When the data showed they were wrong, they showed no humility, no empathy. They violated 90 years of science en masse that we had developed since the Spanish flu post-World War I. We knew they didn't work against respiratory viruses. That's why you haven't been wearing masks every cold and flu season your entire life. They knew all of this, and yet they imposed this power instead. Why? We get into that in the book. And I think what really sets this book apart from other attempts that will be made to have a reckoning of this era.

Go ahead. I was going to say, I want to make sure we point out they literally murdered people. Yes. First of all, they created the virus, guys. They created the chimeric concoction that came out of that lab.

The same people that were working on all the solutions, the same kind of elements within NIH. It's not a China virus. i wish it were just their virus our scientists were over there working on this with them how that's not even in dispute at this point in time the big issue is how it got out of the lab and why okay so but in terms of the that's a good point too we had the uh there was a study or a paper from the University of Beijing. Do you mention that in the book? I think it was University of Beijing. You want to factor me on this one where they said that bats had bitten and peed on people in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And that could be how the SARS-CoV-2 may have gotten out of the lab. Then abruptly it was rescinded and they said, nope, nope, we're wrong about that. But I don't want to deviate. What I want to bring up was we can talk about mandates and lockdowns, but they literally killed people. And I want to just make sure we can be specific about this. They took COVID patients and put them in nursing homes

with the most vulnerable population. In at least five states. In at least five states. And why was a 30-year-old being put in a nursing home with elderly people who are at risk why were they not what was it the comfort was the ship in new york you know we can make up every argument in the world about why they decided not to use the javits center why they did not decided not to put the ships that trump sent in uh to use those facilities and instead took

people with covid who should not be in nursing homes and put them there. Yeah. We get into the whole gamut. Every issue. Real quick. Oh, yeah. You're right. There was a Beijing-sponsored South China University paper that said that instead of coming out of the seafood market, it was possible that someone had the blood of bat on their skin.

I've been pissed off. One of the researchers said had been attacked by a bat. So he had quarantined for bat on their skin. I've been pissed off. One of the researchers had been attacked by a bat. So he had quarantined for 28 days after that. Can I address that really quick? Because the term gain-of-function gets thrown around a lot. And don't get me wrong. Gain-of-function is flirting with disaster, Molly Hatchett. Gain-of-function is lighting up the Bikini Atoll with a hydrogen bomb

to see what its blast radius is. That's not what they were doing. They were doing something worse. In their own words, they did gain a function to gauge what they called, quote, spillover potential. These are their own words. That is now the akin of, we're not only going to drop a hydrogen bomb on the Bikini Atoll, we're now going to put a human being in the blast radius because we want to see what the radiation does to humans they were specifically provoking these bat coronaviruses in the labs to spill over to human beings they wanted to know they were poking it provide provoking it prodding it they specifically wanted to know what would make it spill over to a human being

that is there's icarus flying close to the sun guys and then there's icarus flying up to the sun with a freaking hydrogen bomb and throwing it into the sun that's what they were doing we gotta go to super chats but i want to bring up one last thing did you know that in 2019 it was reported they were doing gain-of-function research on avian flu to specifically make it transmissible among mammals and had it and got the avian flu to infect ferrets and the question is now why would you go ahead and make something like that the avian flu mortality rate is 60 when it does cross over to humans which is rare because it's difficult for the virus to do but why would you do gain of function to make it so all the answers to that question are bad well let, let's go to Super Chats. We'll finish

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TimCast.irl. Follow me at TimCast. Let's read what you guys have to say. Falcon orX says, huge fan of both Tim Pool and Steve Dace. Very cool. Appreciate the support. All right. Brandon M says, the first act of the board of an organization without O'Keefe

whose name means truth is to lie to everyone. Yeah, someone brought this up last week or whatever. James O'Keefe is the only person accused of malfeasance by veritas without evidence every single instance where veritas has accused someone of doing something they've shown the video of them doing it except james yeah how stupid is that they don't hold themselves to their own standards crazy all right corec57 Tim, what do you think

about Twitter personalities caught accepting PAC money from Biden admin? I don't know about that. What's that about? I haven't heard anything about it. No idea? All right.

I don't know why the Biden administration would pay Twitter personalities to shill for them because I just think a lot of people would do it for nothing out of cultic devotion

to the agenda, frankly. Yeah. But they pay all the TikTokers. You know, they've got to get the young vote as well there you go you pay them to push a specific message right it's like a marketing deal right yeah all right what do we got here easy kill says here is my monthly donation that normally goes to project veritas use it well well thank you for this we need to uh i'm trying to get in touch with james o'keefe he is not an easy man to get in touch with right now i imagine he's got ndas or something but i'd like to get in touch with him

and uh so if he hears this to so we can try and figure out what he's gonna do because i'm sure whenever he has the chance and i assume he can launch something quickly we got to get him in here so he can tell all of you guys where to direct your donations to keep the work going i don't think anybody's got faith in veritas without a James O'Keefe. I don't. And I'm going to say it again. James putting out the music video oligarchy is one of the reasons I liked Project Veritas.

James doing the dancing and the DJ stuff, bringing this, I always talk about people got to throw pies, like figuratively throw a pie, do something to build culture, to create something interesting. Project Veritas as these like, look, I don't want to disrespect the journalists who are doing these interviews, but like,

I don't know who these people are. They're not charismatic. They mean, it means nothing to me. James is like this charismatic dude that I trust, shows strength, and is interesting with like the character that he's developed for Veritas, and the energy, and the persona of Veritas itself. So I just want to say that again. I like the dance show. Oh, you got it. Nothing he did, you know,

spending money on this music video, or whatever else he's accused of, like losing money-wise, the journalism kept getting bigger and better, right? So if he spent sixty thousand dollars on a dance party i mean i think we've made it up in the amount of truth that he's uncovered yes dad cigarette run says watch the video on your channel and it's heartbreaking there will be a reckoning so uh we had anonymous source provide some information to us pertaining to veritas

so i just there was it's a video of James O'Keefe basically explaining what's going on and just uploaded it raw. And I was like, I don't know, look, we're, we're, we're planning on doing this new show probably for probably recorded Friday. And I'm wondering if maybe we'll, we'll upload the conversational podcast. It's going to be its own podcast on Apple and Spotify. Maybe, I don't know, Sunday nights, we're going to record it Friday morning, but I don't know if putting up on Friday is the best thing to do maybe I don't know maybe just do it there's a lot of room on Saturday and Sunday for something well Sundays are

good days because people are at home and they're getting ready and you know but yeah and Friday's terrible like Friday night is just but that's when I have the real opportunity to record it and I don't know maybe we just do it Friday morning yeah that works I'm always looking for content on Sundays honestly so yeah Sunday's a good day for at least but for your schedule I'm thinking we're gonna we're gonna it Friday morning. Yeah, that works. I'm always looking for content on Sundays, honestly. Yeah. Sunday's a good day for a lease, but for your schedule, it makes sense to record on Friday.

I'm thinking we're going to record at 10 to noon on Fridays. Maybe we just upload it right away, right after the show. It goes up at 1 on a Friday or something. It is what it is. Yeah. But anyway, I digress. Yeah, so I just put it up on the channel because I didn't know where else to put it. I was like, we want to publish it.

We want people to see what James has to say. If anyone's following along, Veritas' Twitter accounts lost 22,000 followers since we've been talking. So now it's at 155? Yeah, 157.5. I still follow them so far. I mean, I want to see what they're saying.

Yeah, I'm seeing it through, man. Yeah, I think that's the hard thing. There are some people that want to be able to get the updates from Project Veritas. I wanted more companies like Veritas anyway, so maybe this is just the hard way to make that happen. I can't imagine Project Veritas without James O'Keefe. Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

I don't know. What are they going to... I don't know. I have a feeling that James O'Keefe simply comes out and announces he's launching, you know, the truth operation and instantly is making $10 million a year, hires a staff,

and the next video we see of a big expose comes from them and not Veritas. You know how there are some companies where one person does 87 jobs and when they leave, it's very difficult to replace them? Like, not only does James have this public persona, people send him information. He is involved in the administrative day to day. He's involved in his own reporting like it would be so difficult to replace him and it's easy for him to maintain uh all of the skills that he has and just start something new yeah easily eric spracklin well so you know i just gotta say james you know come on the show and then uh figure out the new the new organization and we'll uh we'll do a whole show

so as soon as he gets that ready we'll have him here and we'll figure it out. Yeah, I guess what they said, like he was packing up his stuff or something. Is that what they said in their statement? I imagine half the employees are going to leave and join his new company. If he does that, I would imagine probably a bunch of them would.

I don't know. Ryan Ellis says the purpose of James getting the boot is to destroy Veritas. They don't care if they lose followers. They want it to crash and burn. Yeah, there you go. No. I just wanted a why. Like, what is it? is it oh come on not your own organization i mean the epstein stuff

no no but like i mean the epstein stuff but like he's been going for a while right like it's hard for me not to think that there is something that he wanted to do that the board was like no we're not willing to look i think i think james got so freaked out because he was putting his life on the line and he's like do what i say no no no no no no no i got i gotta stop you the fbi raided the I think James got so freaked out because he was putting his life on the line. And he's like, do what I say. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got to stop you. The FBI raided the home of James.

He was in his underwear or something. And like other employees. They have been trying to shut down Veritas. It just seems they figured out how to do it. Maybe they went to a board member and said, you know what? Going after James isn't working? We'll go after you. And then the board members are like,

I'm not dealing with this. Get James out of here. I'd rather not deal with it. So I... Whenever complete and utter stupidity is the most benign and innocent explanation, rest assured, every other potential option is far worse than that.

So this is either just mind-numbing stupidity that even if he is guilty of everything you're accusing him of, that you would choose now with the organization at its pinnacle of influence and success to absolutely kneecap and decapitate it. That's either the issue, all these people just got this instantaneously stupid rather than handle this stuff privately, or fill in the blank. Randall Hogan says, Tim, you need to hire james to run timcast news

james o'keefe does not need i do not think he needs my help on anything or i would also say i don't know if i could afford to hire james o'keefe i mean i heard he comes with a lot of legal fees a lot of legal fees and his salary is publicly known you know because it's a non-profit they disclose what his salary is but more importantly james has the talent uh work ethic and wherewithal to simply snap his fingers to create a new organization and with all the experiences gained probably get it up and running within less half a year and then instantly with his friends and allies in in the space have more than enough donors to be right back to where he was. It may be a bump in the road, but nobody needs to hire James. James is probably just going to moonwalk his way into a new organization with a new name, and it'll be bigger and better than

ever. I recommend a private for-profit corporation. I don't think anyone who donates to Veritas is concerned about how James is— Let me put it this way. James leaving, effectively ending Veritas, and everyone's like, he is Veritas. I'm willing to bet every person who has given James O'Keefe money, if James said to his donors, guys, my boat is broken and I work too much. The only way I can get it fixed is if I fly in a private charter. Here's how much we've brought in. Does anyone care if I spend $14,000 on this? I bet 98% or 100% would be like, James, you deserve this man. The risks you've taken, the work you've done,

the positive impact you've had on society, take a private jet. If he had a for-profit company, nobody would bat an eye. They'd be like, that's his own company. He makes the money. He can do what he wants. But he does the right thing. Starts a nonprofit, takes a smaller salary than he would have if he was in a for-profit. And then now he's being accused of, not to mention all of his lies. I just don't, I'm not going to believe it. Sorry. They say he was abusing employees.

Then when that is disproven and the donor, two donors come out and they're like, that never happened. Those are lies. Now it's, well, he was spending money. He wasn't supposed to spend. Yeah, okay, spare me. Anyway. All right, Matthew Emmons says,

if only we knew someone who was starting a nonprofit that James could pivot to, if only it could be named Ministry of Truth. Oh, nice, nice. That's a good idea. That's very snarky. I like that. Yeah, that's good.

Ministry of Truth. I think, I have to imagine right now, James is talking to like a corporate attorney about setting up a new nonprofit right now. The thing about nonprofits is you have to have board members. You have to. I know it's annoying.

It's both the strength and the weakness of it because you can't start it without having three people in charge, which means two of them can throw you out at any moment if you're one of the three. You really got to trust the people you work with, have a vision for the future, and I don't know, just pray that the thing works. It's weird to think that you can spend three years building something and then your two

managing partners can just decide you're out. I don't know if they can do it without just cause. I don't know if that works, but, you know, it's checks and balances. So a lot of people are mentioning, like, I should hire James or start something with him. And I'm just kind of like, James needs to be the sole owner ceo 100 board member all of that stuff of his own for-profit corporation and then he can come on this show anytime he wants when he wants to shut it out and build up a membership base to help fund his work and and as i mentioned earlier in the show

he should do he uh the the legal fees are probably probably the most difficult thing for these guys. But he should do the normal work they're doing and then offer a Project Veritas commentary behind the scenes for paying members. So sign up for $10, $20 a month, support Veritas, for profit, not tax deductible. But then you can listen to James talk about the story in a more candid fashion that he records like once a week or with every story. And I think that's the way to do it. Then he can spend the money on whatever he wants. Not that I think he's wasting it. And I think it just protects him. No board. Nobody can fire him. Nobody can boot him. He never has to worry about this. Like, how did he get fired? He is Veritas. That's just insane to me. It shouldn't be possible. All all right because reason says james gave us an emotional speech it makes me think while he is getting in his car and driving away he ain't done yet no way

he is a fighter i mean what if the next video we see of james is him just like sitting on the beach with like a coconut and he's just like i'm done i'm retired i started something i'm done what if the first video of his new organization is of one of these board members? That's what I was wondering. Yeah. Oh, man. Hell hath no fury like a muckraker scorned, guys. I'll tell you that.

Imagine being one of these board members right now, having to go into a meeting with Project Veritas, and they're going to be like, is anybody wearing the lapel mics? Anybody with the cameras? I would urge every member of that board, they if they're way too hot for you beware put it yes i i have to imagine the only way the board can actually meet with veritas employees right now is to make them all wear like unitards everybody has to here's your new uniform when you're in the building yes someone's gonna get them it makes me wonder also, like they've been working with James for years. Like what does he already know about them that before he would have kept to himself

that now he doesn't have to, right? Like unless they got him to sign a non-disparagement agreement, which I really doubt, they are completely vulnerable to him. He's got to start a nonprofit in West Virginia. He's got to come down here. Come down to West Virginia. Yeah, not New York. New York's bad. Yeah. All right new york's a terrible idea if you want to be a non-profit or at least a conservative non-profit all right wrath says tim ap news roughly 30 minutes ago

so this is about 8 8 p.m ohio metal plant up up in flames several people injured don't know if it's relevant wow yeah strans says two dozen eggs cost me $12.48 today. 40 pounds of chicken feed, $13.50. Blue sapphire chickens will be shipped tomorrow. Man, $12.50 for- Is this the most expensive eggs have ever been in human history? I don't know about- I think it is.

I was looking at a chart of it over the weekend. But the thing is, I'm still seeing some egg prices that are relatively inexpensive like it's hard for me to say right i think in the last four decades from the chart i saw i don't know about human history i'm four decades maybe but like during famine or whatever you know if you had a couple eggs probably very expensive i think also more people had chickens right we yeah during times of famine correct people had their own livestock and ways of families i think until what like the 1900s every family had a cow like at least one cow it was like a normal thing yeah like you had to go but then you can't take it with you to your

apartment in your you know large city so that went away man and then we got too many eggs too many yeah because we got a chicken city i was watching a documentary about the middle ages they all had a pig not everybody pretty They all had a pig Not everybody Pretty much everybody had a pig And you'd have to turn them out Onto the street at night And they'd just root through

And there was just pigs All over the place This is something that didn't Get a lot of media attention I think that people have A deep-seated hatred for pigs Because of the way That the wild boars

Would hide in the bushes And ambush people Gore them And then eat them alive Oh also you say They're like dirty Yeah I mean there's such a hate

We don't have it for dogs We don't call and eat dogs we do it with pigs they're just as smart or essentially they're about yeah but i think it's because this deep-rooted hatred of the wild boar so we're like you know what you've deserved this for hundreds of thousands of years you've terrorized my species now we're going to eat you alive how do you like i think they're just delicious you know like they certainly have become that way it could possibly be that bacon happens to taste very good that's just i'm a fan of uh i'm a fan of pig so yes i think pigs are very good i think i think uh bacon is universally beloved yeah i've even had vegans tell me that you know the the activist vegans saying they miss bacon not all of them you know i'm not trying to accuse all vegans of liking meat but the activist vegans saying they miss bacon. Not all of them. I'm not trying to accuse all vegans of liking meat.

But the activist vegans have had people be like, yeah, yeah, that's why they buy fake bacon. The idea that vegan meat exists shows that these people are unhappy with their choices. I'm just ragging on vegans now. No, you're all right, vegans. You can eat whatever you want. But I will point out that there's that famous video

of when the hurricane was coming and the whole store is cleared out, but the vegan section is completely full. Yeah. Like nobody wanted to buy any of that stuff. It's too salty, man. Yeah. The Impossible Burger has more salt than McDonald's Burger.

McDonald's Burger's got too much salt in it as it is. I think when veganism got trendy, people thought it was code for healthy and it's not. Like you can eat pasta with olive oil on it all day long and be a vegan and not be healthy at all. Yeah. sugar is vegan oreos are vegan it's the overeating of meat and sugar that is what's the it's the overeating in general yeah overeating in general of anything is bad although there is a lot of sugar in what we're eating now have you seen those videos about like back in the day people used to consume like half a pound of sugar i should find the video and quote it more accurately there's a funny advertisement when they were marketing sugar and it was like

low calorie energy burst and it was a woman eating a spoonful of sugar it's wild i've seen and it was like for a low calorie burst of energy and i'm like that's the craziest idea don't do that they had those sugar cubes they'd be like how many one or two and they'd put these giant cubes of sugar in the tea yeah i think they still do that. In Iowa, we have a place called Living History Farms where you can go back to the agrarian, more agrarian time in America. And you can actually do like theme dinners. And one of the, I went,

my wife and I went with some couples several years ago to what was dinner in Iowa was like for a family in like 1911, because it was 2011. So 100, you know, and it was a I could not believe by the way, the amount of carbs they consumed. I could not believe the amount of calories they consumed. And absolutely, one of the palate cleansers in between meals was a thing of sugar cubes. And so as someone who over the years has lost over 100 pounds, I'm really cognizant of the amount of food

that I get served now. And I remember asking the attendant, how did all these people eat this much food? And yet, man, size 36 jeans would have been considered chubby to them. I had to lose 100 pounds to fit into a size 36 jean. And she said to me, well, they also worked out in the fields for nine hours a day and burned all those calories off. Their jobs weren't sedentary.

There was this study that came out that said that our average body temperature has gone down by a degree because we are less active as a whole, right? More employment is sedentary, so you spend more time sitting. We are seeing the effects of the shifts in our economic lifestyle. I don't necessarily want to work in a field. I mean, I'm grateful for what I have. So that's why you saw Michael Phelps when he was swimming was doing 5,000 per meal.

8,000 calories per day or something. When I was skating at my max, I was probably doing 5,000 to 8,000 calories a day. And a lot of people don't believe me, but I'm like, no, seriously, whole pizzas to myself? Yeah. Skating for five to eight thousand calories a day and a lot of people don't believe me but i'm like no like seriously like whole pizzas to myself yeah skating for like eight to ten hours a day drenched in sweat all day non-stop like yeah it was brutal i dated this girl who ran marathons and she we would eat giant pasta she'd make giant pasta meals and then eat it and then just be super thin like a and i'm like i couldn't eat i couldn't couldn't do it dude i

would i would wake up in the morning and we'd go grab like some fast food. I get like two burgers, two nuggets. We would go skate like crazy. Then I would get like a Panda Express, three entree meal. Then we would go back and at night have like a whole pizza. It's like I would go to the skate park and skate for eight to ten hours. Just nonstop drenched in sweat. The next day, I wouldn't be able to walk. Like I would just be paralyzed from like my muscles just tightening up and i couldn't move yeah i knew i know i have a family friend whose

sons are both very elite baseball players one plays in college one plays in high school and she used to tell me that especially when they were going through puberty and both of these guys are like six foot five six foot seven they're huge she used to just like get pounds of ground turkey and like keep it like cook it for them and they would just eat it all the time because they were constantly hungry one of them went to boarding school and you know so there's a cafeteria dining hall and he didn't have access to food all the time and he lost like 30 pounds because he was just this huge athlete who needed calories i mean that's the closest we have to this time period that you're talking about when they were uh there's much more physical labor also you

walked more places to get around like transportation people also don't also really underestimate how many how much calories they are eating like when they started adding the calorie adding the calorie calorie counter to like menus and stuff at a fast food restaurant and you're like you mean a burger and fries is 1500 calories what the yeah so imagine if you did three times a day you had 5000 calories yeah crazy just do people you know, 4,500. Do different people produce different amounts of calories from the same food? Like if you eat a piece of broccoli, I eat the exact same piece. Would one of our bodies make more heat?

Yes. So the calorie number is not in the food. It's a result of our body burning the food. Calorie is a representation of energy required to burn or something like that. Burn the food or right but but the issue is uh to clarify what your question is if you take the same piece of food and two people like exact replicas and two people eat it their bodies will handle it differently and there is no way it could be equal in the energy output so that's why the calorie is not

in the food that's that's important to keep in mind. Not super important. Someone who is 6'5", 220 pounds muscle is given a cupcake. Someone who is a 90-pound female who doesn't exercise is given the same exact cupcake. The body is going to use them in very different ways. The output will probably be very different. And actually, a better example might be like a steak where you've got a lot of protein. The body's got to break down very hard in the liver or something like that. A dude is going to probably rip through that thing way better than someone who's not working out or sedentary. So not only that, but I mean like somebody who's morbidly obese and doesn't exercise, who's given a cupcake, is going to have a blood sugar spike and probably feel really sick.

An athlete will probably just not even notice. Probably maybe feel sick later. I mean, bad food is bad. You know, garbage in, garbage out. Anyway. All right. Let's read some more of these super chats. OMG Puppies says,

Jehovah's Witnesses and Adventists believe the earth will be restored to the Garden of Eden and the saved will live there. The 144,000 are a special group who go to heaven. So there you go. They want you to live in the Garden of Eden. You can't go to heaven though. Sorry, it's not for you. I prefer the biblical worldview where Jesus offers all of his followers heaven, not just 144,000.

How did they get to that number? I don't understand. It's a symbolic number in the book of Revelation. Alright, what do we got ted mahoney says national divorce would reduce the remaining states to global insignificance and we would be dissected and ruled by other superpowers agreed yep mark guidetti says real americans want to fix the union not run away from it like cowards. But that would require federal intervention into California, which probably would result in, I don't know, civil war. Unless California rolls over.

But so long as California is violating the Constitution and subverting the federal government, what more can we do? The social compact is dead. There is no social compact in America anymore. And that really is the underlying foundation of a constitution. What a constitution does is it codifies that social compact. It takes the shared values and itemizes them and enumerates them in a legal document. The social compact is the essence of what a constitution enumerates them in a legal document. The social compact is the essence of what a constitution enumerates, and that is gone. And so California has no problems whatsoever

about being a platform to eradicate your way of life. In fact, it is proud of doing so, and it is affirmatively, it's not an accident. It's missional. They're doing it on purpose. The only way you're going to hold the union together outside of civil war or revival is you're going to have to have more governors do what DeSantis has done in Florida, militant forms of federalism and interposition. The doctrine of interposition of the lesser magistrate, that's what the founders wanted state and local governments to do, is the people you elected on a state and local level, juries were a form of interposition. They called them the fourth branch of government.

So right down to 12 peers on a local jury, you could interpose. If Washington, if the federal government went off the rails, these other layers could stand in and say, no, you don't get to impose that upon my people. We won't enforce that here. We will not impose that on them here. We won't adjudicate that here. We will practice, through the doctrine of the lesser magistrate forms of interposition you have to and and they've done that to us when donald trump got elected in 2000 when john when donald trump took office in january of 2017 there were fewer elected democrats in office in america than there had been since before the great depression before fdr's new deal created the modern democratic coalition and yet did, did San Francisco say, oh, snap, Republicans have total control of the White House and Orange Man Bad is president. We're going to stop doing subsidies for trans homeless people

in San Francisco now because the other sides, and did they change, San Francisco change anything they were doing? No, they just San Francisco'd on. That's an example of interposition. That's a good verb. They just kept on San Franciscan, didn't care what the hell Orange Man Bad was saying from the White House.

Can we just write a San Francisco'd? San Francisco'd on. That's the verb for doing, you know, failed policy in the American elections. Insane things and expecting them to settle. But we need West Virginia, your state, where a Democrat hasn't won a precinct in your state since the 0 2008 presidential election.

Yeah, Manchin's going to switch parties. But we need West Virginia to be as red as California is blue. It's not. My state of Iowa is redder than yours. Texas needs to be redder than Florida. Mississippi, look at Wyoming. But do you know how close West Virginia is to D.C.? Well, I understand.

And you've got Frederick, and then you've got the college towns, and you've got— But you're still in a state where Democrats haven't won in a presidential election a precinct since— not a county, a friggin' precinct. We need— But Iowa is historically red, right? No. And West Virginia's not? No, until—Bush in 2004 was the only Republican since Reagan in 84 that won our state in a presidential election until Trump.

It's traditionally been a very purple state. We need Mississippi, Alabama. Those states need to actually earn their reputations. The red states are not as red as the hard blue states are blue. And that's what's killing us more than anything else if we had more interposition more of essentially um de-escalating what they try to do to us from washington that would give us much more of a chance than what we have right now all right able says i have never heard of steve before tonight's show but he has a new follower also hannah claire and ian look like they could be related to just an opinion oh they, they actually are. Yeah. Long lost cousins.

Thanks for uniting us. Jake, you're just generalizing white people right now. I don't like that. You guys all look the same. Yeah. Well, you know, am I allowed, under the rules of wokeness,

am I allowed? Like, how much of a, how much not white do you have to be before, you know, I think Serge is because he's African American. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a technicality. Your mic's off. Yeah, I let it stay off. People told me I should stop talking. But yeah, it's a technicality. But what's off. Yeah, I let it stay off. People told me I should stop talking. But yeah, it's a technicality. But what do you mean, literally? You're South African.

I mean, literally, I am African American. Shouldn't Elon Musk... Shouldn't you be proud of who you are? I don't understand what's happening. Didn't Elon Musk say something about that, like being an African American? Someone said it about him, like they're being mean to the African American

tech entrepreneur, Elon Musk. There's a famous story where there's a uh there's like a famous story where there was a grant for african-american scholarship or something and a blonde-haired white kid showed up and they were like what is this he's like i'm from south africa no but i guess like he genuinely didn't know yeah he because he was like we don't have that phrase where i come from so it said african-american i was like oh i'm from africa and i came here and then they got mad at me. It never made sense to me actually.

It was just this... Yeah, like Caucasian from the Caucasus region? The best is... That's not where I'm from. I'm not from there. The best is when I was in university I went to school with a guy from Britain

who is from Jamaica. His mother's from St. Lucia and everyone called him African-American. I'm like, I'm not American. Yeah. What are you saying? I knew a guy who was not an American citizen

and this was a long time ago at a different job i had and uh we were talking about caucasian african-american pacific isle what do these things mean and then this guy got really mad he's like i am not african-american i am from haiti and he was like he wasn't even an american citizen you know he had like a work visa and he was haitian he was like, call me Haitian, man. Yeah, seriously. Calling him African. Anyway. All right. Let's see what we got here. Thomas Sidebottom says, I hate the argument I usually get from lefties that religion,

Christianity, is a cult. Cults remove you from your family and support structure. Christianity helps you develop a better bond with them. Right. That's a really good distinction. A key component of cults is to isolate you from family and friends, to keep you away from anyone who might oppose what they think, whereas not even just Christianity, but a lot of these are very internally family-oriented, like Judaism, for instance, with Shabbat. It's like, be with your family. Talk to those you love and care about. Well, the cult of the spirit of the age is doing that now. It's just doing it in terms of you are separated from your family into the new woke religion. And you should separate yourself from anybody that might have different viewpoints rather than debate them, discuss with them, or even try to defeat them in the arena of ideas.

They're automatically a lesser form of human. Racist, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, bigot. So they're the other and should not be considered for polite viewing or for debate whatsoever. We are going to head over to, we're going to go record the members only show. So go to timcast.com and sign up. Click that join us button because we're going to talk about the rise of the fourth Reich and biomedical tyranny and a lot of stuff like that's going to be really interesting so again smash that like button subscribe to the show share the show with your friends and become a member at

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Wait till you see the new studio. We filmed a music video there at the new space and it's like, it's getting there, it's getting there. The studio room is mostly done.

We could probably start setting up studio equipment there now. Yeah, probably. Because the room itself I think is done and the green room is getting work done. I'm really excited. We just need to get up studio equipment there now. Yeah, probably. Because the room itself, I think, is done. And the green room is getting work done. I'm really excited. We just need to get it done ASAP. But yeah, thank you for shouting out the hard work for us. You bet. And you can, if you want,

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