Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #720 Russia ENDS Last Nuclear Treaty, Trump Warns WW3 NEVER Closer Than NOW w/Bill Ottman

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

Tim, Ian, Hannah Claire, & Serge join Bill Ottman to discuss Russia suspending its participation in last remaining nuclear treaty with the US, Trump blasting the global elites over WW3 fears, MTG calling for a national divorce, and Vivek Ramaswamy announcing his 2024 bid for president. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

so vladimir putin's all like yo you know that last nuclear treaty that y'all got gone over and uh i don't know if it really matters to be honest it was about non-proliferation it was the new start treaty and it was about inspections between countries but at this point it's laughable that the treaty would even be considered in existence so we can say vladimir putin he's saying no more to this treaty, but come on. The moment the U.S. basically went to war with Russia, and we did, right, saying we, but we're the United States, that treaty didn't exist. Russia's not going to let U.S. or NATO or U.N. inspectors into its country when we're actively supplying military intelligence,

weapons, and personnel on the ground in Ukraine in their country's border dispute. So that being said, there's a journalist out of Russia who says the U.S. has already declared war on Russia. I don't know how many pundits in Russia have said they are going to use nuclear weapons. So I don't know, one more grain of sand in the heat. And, you know, it is it is tough every day to come in and you read the news and it's something I don't know, it's increasingly inane to me to see stories of like some woke college leftist. And I'm like, it's been 10 years of seeing these people scream on the Internet. I know, I know, I know for a lot of people it's funny. But at the same time, I'm kind of like, man, I'm feeling my priorities shift towards are we going to be self-sustainable because it doesn't seem like this train is stopping? Joe Biden does a surprise secret trip to Ukraine to give him half a billion dollars, ignores the people of East Palestine.

Vladimir Putin then comes out, gives his State of the Nation address or whatever in Russia and says this treaty is done. Pundits in Russia are calling for and have been for months now the use of nuclear weapons and either just shut up and stop. OK, Putin and Biden or, or get on with it. It's the waiting I can't stand, right? Are we going to war? Come on. I'm going to see how many episodes of IRL we're going to do talking about how they're wagging their sabers at each other, both figuratively and literally.

Anyway, we'll talk about that. Plus, we've got a bunch of other stories. National divorce is currently trending because Marjorie Taylor Greene, who they called for, now everyone's opining on whether or not they actually want one. What's interesting about this story is that as much as we talk about the fear or the prospects of civil war, all of a sudden now there's a big cultural debate on civil war. I mean, okay, there have been a few people who have called for it in the past. No one really opined much on it. Now all of a sudden with Marjorie Taylor Greene, I suppose, a federal level politician

calling for one, now we're seeing pundits be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, this is getting a little serious. But let's talk about it. Plus other stuff. You know, we got Alec Baldwin has charges degraded. Unsurprising. Yeah, he's going to get a slap on the wrist. We'll get into all that. Before we do, head over to

TimCast.com. Become a member by clicking that Join Us button. I got news. I'm just going to announce it right now, and hopefully it works out. But we have a new show that is going to be on Fridays, probably going up at 1 p.m. We're calling it, I guess, The Culture War with Tim Pool. And it's going to be on YouTube.com slash TimCast. The idea for this is, I mentioned it the other day, so we'll have it up on the website as well.

We'll probably have a members-only uncensored segment much the same as Timcast IRL or something to that effect. And the general idea is there are a lot of guests that we could have on this show. There are a lot of high-profile people begging us to come on. But the issue is always, hey, guys, we're a topical news and cultural commentary show that takes the top news of the day and then has a conversation around them. So if you're a scientist, a doctor, a zoologist, or some internet influencer or personality, it doesn't necessarily work. I mean, we've had some guests, many of you may even notice, are like, hey, they're not really adding a lot to the conversation. And those people will say things like, Tim, let the guests speak. And I'm like, this is the challenge with a guest that is

a specialist. So we try to have them on Fridays, but even then it's still a little difficult. So we decided, you know what, let's just do a new show on youtube.com slash Timcast, which will be a two hour straight cultural conversation, not news topics segmented by, you know, 10 to 15 minutes, literally just more like Club Random or Joe Rogan or whatever. We're going to sit down, we're going to hang out, we're going to have coffee,

filmed Friday morning, uploaded Friday afternoon. And this Friday, we have Ali London. So if you're not familiar with Ali London, he is an influencer who decided he was trans-Korean and then transgender-Korean and now is detransitioned.

So this is going to be a really interesting conversation. I'm actually really excited. We had Ali hit us up saying that he wanted to come on TimCast IRL or just come and talk. And I just said,

you know, like the issue is if we're talking about World War III or something, it doesn't make sense to have like a cultural influencer on the show. But a new show does make sense. So it'll be once a week.

It'll be its own podcast. It'll be on iTunes, Spotify, etc. It'll be at youtube.com slash timcast plus we're going to devise some kind of members only version uh additional bonus content for timcast.com and uh i'm a crazy person who just keeps working and and and doing more and more and more despite the fact i should probably be doing less and hiring more people to do other things but i appreciate all of the support of all of you who help make all this possible. And hopefully this new show works out and takes off. I think we'll be able to hit on a lot of new subject matter we normally don't get to,

because typically what I do is either direct article commentary on news or we bring in a guest and then talk about top news. We don't get an opportunity as often to talk about, you know, crazier ideas and things that are on the periphery of modern culture stuff. Thanks to you for being members. We're able to do things like this, experiment,

try it out. I'm really excited. Then we have some big musicians and some celebrities who are asking us to come on as well. I think the show might kick off with some really big guests. It should be really interesting. Joining us today, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, all that good stuff. Joining us today to talk about this

and a whole lot more is Bill Ottman. Hey, hey. Thanks for having me. Good to see you, Timcast. My name's Bill. I'm the founder CEO at Minds, Minds.com, M-I-N-D-S.com,

not the, I need to get Minds.com so that people don't think that we're a coal mine operation. Tim has brought that up many times before. But yeah, we're a free speech social network focused on actual First Amendment content policy. I think Twitter is slowly getting there,

but they are not there. And they're still doing these interstitial content policies all over the world and following content guidelines of places like the EU. So we've got to be careful of that. And hold Elon to account. We love you, Elon. But you've got to open source all the code and go full free speech.

Cool. I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram. Hi, Ian Crossland. I actually co-founded Minds with Bill in like 2011 or something like that. That's right. When it was still in pre-alpha early determination rounds and we were kind of figuring out what the hell was

going to happen you know when we talk about the first amendment on the internet i think a lot of it is actually translating to ability to view and utilize code that's your first amendment right on the internet because like a network controller i think should always have the right to ban whoever they want if they are running a network but that doesn't mean that they should be the only one that has access to that kind of network. So that's an idea. Let's go deeper on it on the show. I want to introduce Serge Dupreya.

Hey, what's up? Serge.com. I'm excited for this because you're the founder of the website Ian always talks about. Yeah, and it'll be good. And the Supreme Court heard arguments on Section 230 today, so that'll probably come up. All right, let's jump into the news, man. We got this story from

The Hill. Russia suspends only remaining nuclear treaty with U.S. Russian President Vladimir Putin declared Tuesday that Moscow was suspending its participation in the new START treaty, the last remaining nuclear arms control pact with the United States, sharply upping the ante amid tensions

with Washington over the fighting in Ukraine. Okay, I just... Guys, it's so difficult. I can't, look, if you're going to nuke, just do it, okay? It's the waiting I can't stand. We've been sitting here for a year with these guys going like, ooh, I'll nuke you. I'm going to, you don't do, don't you do it. And then we keep doing these shows where they're like, oh boy, oh man,

they're threatening us and then nothing happens. So I'm kidding. I'm okay with the waiting i'm okay yeah it's not that i want anyone to be bombed but i'm running out of ways to say amid rising tensions like as things continue like i can't say it the same way a hundred times and to that extent like i like assume the american public is also exhausted it's been over a year at this point we've hit the year mark when are we going to see the other boot drop like how long do we just stay in perpetual attention they tricked us they've got us being here being like come on already yeah what are you doing yeah you're

pro-war now dude yeah right no uh but the scary thing is that we're desensitized to it this news comes out and people just shrug at it. Like, oh, because it's, what were we talking about the other day? You know, nobody sits there watching the grass grow and then eventually just goes, whoa, whoa, the grass got too long. No, you ignore it. And then one day you walk outside and you go,

oh, the grass is getting long, better mow it. And that's what's happening with this. It's incrementally getting worse, but not enough to where anybody actively is freaking out or people are shutting down government, like with protests or anything like that. They're ignoring it. And as long as they keep slow rolling it the way they do, it will just escalate to that point. It's not going to be one day the air raid sirens go off and a nuke drops on Kiev and we're like, wow, I can't believe it's happened. By the time an actual ICBM hits a city, we're going to be like, oh, another one. It's going to be incremental to the point where

people are just like, well, that's war. I mean, look at what's going on in Ukraine right now. That's been going on for a year with, you know, the air raids, the missile strikes, the misfires hitting Poland. There's been so much war. And the crazy thing to me is 50 years from now, they will write about the Ukraine-Russia conflict, probably the NATO-Russia conflict because it's going to escalate. We're in it right now and it seems like nonexistent, far away. It's been so gradual that we are not shocked that there is a land war in Eastern Europe at this point.

We're bored with it. That's the scary thing. Well, and we're not even talking about the Middle East at all. So, which is not like there's nothing going on there. There's tons of stuff going on, but I think we just got this slow boil to the point where everyone is completely used to the bathwater, right? I mean, I remember writing about, you know,

the months leading up before Russia invaded. There's troops on the border. There's troops on the border. There's troops on the border. Russia says it's not a big deal. Russia says it's just a military exercise. And then, like, they talked to Biden and it just went on. And eventually, you know, it felt like a big moment in time. But then we continued on. We know there's conflict. We know there's there's mounting geopolitical tension everywhere. But to what end, right? If you are an American going about your day-to-day life, there isn't a major change.

It's not like Russia has now also invaded Poland. They're staying where they are, and so therefore it doesn't feel like an escalation. When you learn about war retrospectively, you're able to say, even though things happen over three or four or five years, and escalation. When you learn about war retrospectively, you're able to say, even though things happen over three or four or five years, you learn about them in quick succession, so it feels faster. I have a friend out in LA who, I'm not going to name his name because what he said to me, I think, is absolutely ridiculous. We'll call him Bill for the sake of the argument. He has two kids. They're like 10 and 7. And like, dude, you you want to send your kids over there because if you really think ukraine is ukraine get out putin you're willing to send them over there

you want to see his legs get blown off by a mortar what do you say i didn't ask i'm asking you right now dude are you willing to put your kids over there because that that's the direction like come on man you know this is the thing that's so tiring. These liberal types who wave the flags, of course they would never send their own kids. I don't think you have a choice. If you set this ball in motion, gravity takes over. You can't stop it. Listen, these are people who gorge themselves on ho-hos and ding-dongs and then demand that you pay for their health care. And the worst part is that's not even this guy.

This guy is, like, legit. But he's in it. He's in that liberal state of L.A. like willing to throw his children away because of Joe Biden. Like Joe Biden told him so. I don't get it, man. You think that East Palestine, Ohio is bad. Imagine if that was intentionally done to the city nine times a day to nine different cities by a foreign government that you have no control to stop. That's the precipice.

And imagine you have one time, one time in East Palestine happens to only 5,000 people. And the president says, I will not go there. And then secretly travels to a foreign country halfway around the world to give half a billion dollars to. We could not get action on Flint. We could not get action on Flint. We could not get action on Newark and Pittsburgh. And it was the left being like, yo, fix these things. Joe Biden snaps his fingers to hop on a plane and fly to Ukraine for half a billion dollars for a country nobody and most people can't even find on the map. I like Ukraine, man. I don't like

I don't like what Russia is doing. I get it. There's conflict. We talk all day and night about Burisma, the energy sector, Nord Stream, all that stuff. But it's just really gut-punching demoralization when the president outright says, I will not visit East Palestine. These people, you just got to understand about this train crash. Benny Johnson, do you guys see this video? He went out and gave 20 grand he found the 20 houses surrounding the closest 20 houses surrounding the disaster he gave each of them a thousand bucks that's really great i do i'll do the hassanism of does it really have to be some commentator to go and give money to these poor

people why can't joe biden why can't the government do anything to help these people? I pay taxes. I have no problem with the government being like, yeah, a portion of those taxes are going to go to make sure that this disaster is cleaned up, cleaned up,

because it's kind of like, hey, we're paying for something, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not only will he not go there, he'll go and give your money away to a foreign country for a war that we don't know anything about or why it's happening. And they try and convince us we got to stand with Ukraine. For what reason are we are we at war in Ukraine? For what reason? I mean, I know it's energy

conflict. It's Nord Stream. It's Gazprom. It's the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. It's U.S. It's NATO expansion. It's U.S. global empire. It's NATO expansion. It's Western expansion. For what reason do we not provide even a tiny bit of relief to the people of East Palestine? Yeah, well, so Benny Johnson, shout out $20,000. That's and I know Benny would do more if he could. He probably was like, what can we afford sparing this budget? And so he breaks down where the money comes from. And so that's it. It's up to a culture and political commentator to try and give money to some of these people can we can we take that 500 million dollars to ukraine and even one percent of

it to the people who are surrounding this disaster because here's what you gotta understand about that they've lost everything those houses are worth zero dollars now no one is going to buy a house contaminated with vinyl chloride and you know whatever glycol garbage is all over the place. I think it's more than just culture commentators. Michael Reagan, the head of the EPA, was supposed to go to a climate change tour in Africa with Idris Elba. And then on the 17th, Trump announced that he was going to go to East Palestine. On the 18th, the EPA announced that tour was canceled. On the 19th, Reagan is like, oh, I'll be in Palestine, East Palestine this coming week.

And then he announces, oh, we're going to hold Norfolk Southern accountable for what they've done. We're going to make them pay for it, which I'm not saying that company shouldn't, but this is the same federal government that said that the people of East Palestine didn't qualify for FEMA relief, right? They weren't enough of a disaster to get assistance. But then when we have an unrelenting, especially conservative leaning media, that's like, no, we want to talk about it. We want you

to go there. We want you to drink the water. Then eventually the EPA is like, yeah, we've got to hold that private company accountable. I'm not saying that's the wrong step. I'm just saying, why were you thinking about going to Africa to talk about climate change when we have our own disaster in our backyard? This is like, I don't think that waiting for someone to do it is going to, they're going to do it. But there's a technology where you can clean up oil spills with magnets. This is developed about a decade ago. CNN reports on it.

You type up, clean up oil spill with magnet, and it'll come up. You put iron into the water, and the oil like coagulates around the iron and that's not what's in the water there is oil there's lots of stuff in it exactly but it's a start i mean it's it's a suggestion that maybe we can do something to clean this up i mean ian that's it's not that far from your hometown so no it's like 70 miles from my hometown that's pretty close so maybe you need to go. At some point, I'm sure you will. Maybe if you go home and visit. I think you'll do a visit, dude.

I thought about going there just to smell it, to know, is this going to kill people? Because unless you go, then I was like, I don't want to be there. I don't want to hurt my lungs. And I'm like, what? Is that what Biden said? Did he actually say, I'm not going there?

Or did he just not say anything? It was Karine Jean-Pierre, I'm pretty sure, was asked. And they said he has no plans to. Is that because he's too sickly to handle the air? no they just no plans to visit i don't know if it was kareem jean-pierre but the administration answered that they had no plans and then everyone got really mad because trump then announced i will be going to visit it's remarkable man trump for all of the awful things people have complained about actually cares about this country and joe Joe Biden is representing some kind of occupying force that cares more about Western power expansion than the people who are doing the hard work to

make this place exist. Donald Trump struck the perfect balance, in my opinion. He cared about foreign policy. He was negotiating peace deals. He wanted NATO to pay their fair share. He wasn't ignoring foreign policy. But he also made sure that the support structure, the infrastructure of this country, its people, were being taken care of. Perfect? Of course not. Joe Biden and the Democrats completely reject and ignore the support structure of this country and what it represents, the people. And then he decides to do a surprise trip to smile. I mean, I'm just it is a degree of triggered that I am to see Biden hugging Zelensky and smiling and then watching Benny Johnson's video where he's like, here's the best I can do, a thousand dollars. And I'm like, half a billion dollars to Ukraine. For what reason?

And then the worst thing is we've had rail workers threatening to strike, complaining about the safety issues, warning something like this was going to happen. We see more derailments all the time, but this was a massive disaster. The media then lies about it and says everything's fine. If you think anything's wrong with the air water, you're a right-wing conspiracy theorist. You know, you got to listen to these railway workers, man. And you got to look at these railroad, the rail tracks, because they get warped and bent. There's a video of it. I mean, they are beyond fathomably bent and warped. And the train's like bouncing. Oh, you saw that?

Yeah. Crazy video. It's not just like they get a little messed up and oops, it actually got blown off. Yeah, we got to pull this up. When you see how bad these rails can get and you realize that if we don't, when they say we need to reinvest in our infrastructure, this is what they're talking about,

is we need to pull these up and relay really new age, strong material. Look at this. Is there sound on this thing? Yeah, there's sound. Let's, let's. So for those that are just listening, we're showing you completely mangled and bent tracks. Is this even the U.S., though?

ND and W Railway, Mommy and Western? Seems like U.S., yeah. People were... So, this video was going viral. People were sharing it uh this is from march 31st 2017 but they were look at this is crazy michigan it says michigan napoleon defiance and western railroad is the nd and w look at this so the train has to slow down like drastically even to get over wow look it's on it's at an angle but hey 100 billion

dollars in ukraine well they really need it. What's the structure of those deals with Ukraine? What are we owed after the fact? It's not just a straight donation. Like a lend lease? Yeah, what... Oh, right, right. But there is... Black rockets to come in and

divvy up the land. That's what they did the Americans in World War II is they lent the British so much money that they had them and divvy up the land. That's what they did, the Americans, in World War II, is they lent the British so much money that they had them by the balls after the war. Right. And that's why America was so powerful after the war. So are we sure this is in the U.S.? Where did it say Michigan? Well, I see in the chat someone saying Miami is in Ohio.

This is the Michigan Southern Railroad. And this is a Storyful video. Storyful is owned by Fox News. Operates between Woodburn,iana napoleon ohio compromises 58 miles of track yeah so it's not too far to expect that that's probably part of the issue those are the conditions yeah and they took they said it was mechanical failure and that the axle that was keeping them together caught fire and they're they're taking it back to the national uh the nbt safety board their their lab to study and to say what's going to happen. And I just personally feel like we should have an independent investigator.

Like, I don't trust the way the federal government's handling this. And I know that's such an easy talking point to say. But, you know, if their response is this is not really disaster, you guys don't, you know, qualify for support from the federal government. You know, the error is fine. Everything's good. How do we know that when they examine the axle that apparently caught fire, they'll see it and be like, it really was just a fluke. It was actually Norfolk Southern. It feels like a waste of time to let them test it themselves.

Does that make sense? I feel very blackpilled. Maybe blackpilled isn't the right word. Because I think the difficult thing with talking about stories like this and seeing

these two stories and contrasting each other, $100 billion to Ukraine, surprise visit by Biden, $500 million

and Americans suffering with no assistance. I think, what were they offered? Like five bucks? These contracts were given saying, shut your mouth and you get what you get.

Seeing these things and I'm just like, is it blackpilled or is it just realism? When we say things like, we can't assume this will get worse because that would be being blackpilled. And I'm like, now is that just being naive? You know, a lot of people say, don't be blackpilled. And'm like now is that just being naive you know a lot of people say don't be blackpilled and i can understand like if the context is don't be demoralized don't be

you know um like i don't know don't be demoralized you know you got it you got it you got to pick it up you got to keep working but what i see with stories like this is i was saying in the intro to the show is my priorities start I feel a shift in my priorities. Is my priority now to go and warn people something's coming or is my priority now to recognize that event right now at the beginning of 2023 is – that's a lightning strike. That's a – what's the right word? Catalyst? No, no, no. It's like – yeah, it's a shot what's the right word? Catalyst? No, no, no. It's like, yeah, it's a shot heard around the world kind of thing.

It is that lightning strike, that massive explosion sound where you realize something is deeply wrong and it's not being fixed. Now, we can sit here and be like, now, now, everybody, we're going to get it next time. Don't you worry. And I'm kind of like, well, I don't know. Maybe these past midterms was some attempt at riding the ship. But when you have a government completely abandoned a city in the East Coast with now we're looking at potentially 5 million people affected downstream from this, not to mention the tens of millions downwind from it, we're downwind from it and it's completely ignored

you're told to shut up the media tells you to shut up half the voter base of the country doesn't care i'm kind of like i don't know if it's black pilled you od'd you od'd on culture war pills but but but it's not even it's not even it's it's not even about any of that it's take a logical assessment of what just happened and then figure out what your logical move should be. And it's probably at this point like, wow, no amount of voting for a politician will change what just happened. Now, I'm not saying don't vote.

I'm quite honestly like 2024 is going to be substantial, like very, very important. It just means that it's probably going to be very, very important. It just means that it's probably going to be very bad. And that's something we will need to accept and prepare for. Then, you know, vote for Trump, I guess. I don't know. DeSantis is all right. I'll take either one at this point.

But I'm seeing this happen makes me swing back towards Trump on this, to be completely honest. Yeah. I mean, the county that this is in, Trump won twice in a row and he won it by more during 2020. I think that this sets the narrative for 2024 pretty clearly, right? I mean, Biden, if you look back at the withdrawal from Afghanistan, right, people already felt like he didn't care about how he was taking the troops out. He just wanted to be the president that took us out of Afghanistan and it cost us.

And now we're seeing again, how can he or any Democrat go on to say that we're the party of the environment when they would rather send money to Ukraine than to help a potential disaster in their own country? I feel like I can't comment on Trump versus DeSantis very clearly yet, but I know it becomes clear that the Democrats are not saying they're not putting their money where their mouths are. We've got a new statement from former President Donald Trump. ALX tweets Trump. World War Three has never been closer, closer than it is right now. Quote, Take a look at the globalist warmonger donors backing our opponents. That's because they're candidates of war. I am the president who delivers peace, and it's peace through strength. I think he's taking a swipe right there at DeSantis. But I got to be honest, that's probably the most tactful swipe he could have taken. Ron DeSanctimonious, and they're trying to claim he called him Meatball Ron, which is way better.

I got to be honest, Meatball Ron is better than Ron DeSanctimonious, but I don't think Trump said that. I think he denied it. But let me play a little bit of this clip from Donald Trump for you. Not the full thing, it's four minutes, but we'll give you part of his statement here. Stop the warmongers and globalists. World War III has never been closer than it is right now.

We need to clean house of all of the warmongers and America last globalist and the deep state, the Pentagon, the State Department, and the national Security Industrial Complex. One of the reasons I was the only president in generations who didn't start a war is that I was the only president who rejected the catastrophic advice of many of Washington's generals, bureaucrats, and the so-called diplomats who only know how to get us into conflict, but they don't know how to get us out. For decades, we've had the very same people,

such as Victoria Nuland and many others just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time, much like the case in Iraq and other parts of the world. And now we're teetering on the brink of World War III. And a lot of people don't see it, but I see it. And I've been right about a lot of things. They all say Trump's been right about everything. None of this is huge. They all say. Thank you right about everything none of this they they all say

thank you who is they though yeah exactly dude what what's what's what's trump trying to say i watched this video until that moment and shut it off earlier as well right after he said quote they all say trump's been right about everything this hyperbolic madness is not uh poised for office i'm sorry the guy's not not yeah you wrong. Complete idiocy to say that kind of thing. He's expected to be the president. Excuse me, wrong, wrong. Everyone says I'm the greatest at everything. Like, who the hell talks like that?

Trump does. Trump. Look, man. No, it's a lie. That's not a true statement. He's a liar. Hyperbole and lies are distinct. Yes, hyperbole can be a lie as well i mean trump being boastful

and and talking like that is kind of something i would roll my eyes at but i gotta be real with the east palestine stuff with seeing joe biden go to ukraine i'm like i'm i'm i'm voting for trump like ron ron desantis has the tact he's's got good policy. He's done great for Florida. But just like I – this was go down to East Palestine if that's what it takes. Like, I like Ron DeSantis, but he comes, he does, I don't know, man, I can't explain it. It's like Ron DeSantis has done a really good job. He's given us a lot of what we want. We've seen a lot of tremendous success, but he's a VP. He's a commander. He's a lieutenant. He's number one. Donald Trump is the crazy guy who's like, get me a plane. I's a lieutenant. He's number one. Donald Trump is the crazy guy who's like, get me a plane.

I'm flying to East Palestine right now. And Joe Biden's the guy who says, whatever my boss tells me to do, I'll go do. And then gives away our money. And then Ron DeSantis is the guy who's like, yeah, we're going to do it right. We're going to fix it. We're going to get what people want. But that's a COO, not a CEO. Trump's a CEO. DeSantis is a COO.

For those that understand corporate structure you get exactly what i mean the ceo handles the the the directives of the ceo the ceo which is trump says we've got to do this we've got to do this make it happen it seems like then you get a desantis who understands and he executes it seems like a lesser of two evils argument i don't really know how he's going to be able to separate himself from the from the lockdowns i mean but again lesser of two evils is is something that some people go by i've never been able to fair point to fall into that i just it's true um and a lot of people have uh everybody says you know they're all saying how does trump get past he was he was a lockdown guy initially he he was the president he wouldn't intervene in the state's decisions to keep states locked down.

DeSantis did lock down initially as well. So I would rebut with that, I guess. You know, Trump said we're going to shut down 15 days to slow the spread. DeSantis agreed. Then DeSantis reversed. Trump, as the president, didn't have the power to force states to do anything. Arguably, he could invoke some emergency powers. When it came to the Summer of Love,

he could have invoked the Insurrection Act and shut down these riots. And if he did, could have prevented 30 plus deaths, which he should have done. But I'm just saying, man, based on his foreign policy, I am worried, as Trump points out, DeSantis does have these warmongers, these internationalists, these investment neocon establishment shills getting behind him.

I'm not going to blame DeSantis for that. It's what he does with the money. But I got to say, like, with the East Palestine situation, I'm not convinced that Ron DeSantis would be a Trump in this regard. Trump is the guy who flies there and says, I'm going to visit these people. Biden's the guy who says, don't know, don't care. Let them rot for all I care. It's surprising that every presidential candidate isn't going there because it's like a requirement. You have to go there not

Nikki Haley either right Trump was the one who announced he was going I don't know if he did yet but still I'm like I'll take it that if that's what we get I my view of Trump is that there's probably a lot better people who could be president but I really do feel like you're more likely to get a politician you vote for, and you know what you're getting, and I think he really does like this country. I also think he's got an ego problem. Do you know what you're getting, though? Because we heard a lot of love for WikiLeaks

in the run-up to his presidency, but then nothing after he got elected. So he loves WikiLeaks when they're helping him. Exactly. You know Trump is going to bloviate. He's going to say things that he thinks will work for his base. And there's no guarantee that happens. But you do know he wants to build a wall.

He's going to take – look, Ann Coulter was complaining that he didn't build the wall. And I'm like, the dude was trying. I really do think Trump was trying. I can respect she's mad that we didn't get the wall. And she said, you know, only hundreds of miles of fencing or whatever and i'm like yeah he got he got triple layer bollard fencing in key areas it's like man i'll take what i can get it is lesser of two evils argument yeah i don't i don't even know if i feel like it feel feel that way like trump is different from the lesser of two evils mitt romney obama was the lesser of two evils trump is something

outside the picture who's probably going to do a bunch of dumb stuff, but his ego won't let him let Americans down. Here's what I think. Trump's ego is massive, probably the biggest on the planet. And you can say it's a problem. He's also very arrogant. But this means he's also desperate for the love and admiration of the American people. And that's, I'm like, that right there matters.

Biden doesn't give a crap at all. He knows people hate him, but the media is going to cover for him anyway, so he can abandon the American people to go fly to Ukraine. Trump, on the other hand, desperately wants people to love him, so much so he puts his name everywhere to make sure people know who he is.

He's got daddy issues. But you can count on that for him to do what he can to make you say, I like you, Trump. And that's, hey, if it's narcissism at the root, but he's desperately trying to convince you that he's awesome, I'll take it. Because Biden certainly ain't doing it. He's leaving you to die. I believed that about Trump until he became president day two and went on script and started reading off a prompter when he was like off, off book for the whole run up to the election during the process. And it was like,

God even got exciting. I didn't even want him to be president, but it was like, at least someone's being honest. And then just, I see his eyeballs tracking the prompter as he's talking and he's talking like this. And that is not how Donald Trump talks.

I'm like, Oh my God. Well, he has to come. He has to come here. That's the only way that, way that that you can really press him so maybe he should maybe I'll fly out for the Friday morning show and interview Trump that's it that's okay you should come here well the I mean it's just not there's the other challenge but he should be willing to because he should want to reach these people yeah but I'm I you know maybe if I had the ego and arrogance of Trump, and don't get me wrong, I got ego and arrogance for sure, but not enough to be like, Donald Trump should be in my studio.

You know what I mean? I mean, it's logistical too, right? But to feel the culture. He should want to connect. You know what I mean? It's not worth his time. Donald Trump should be, should be honored at the thought

of me letting him come here and sit in this studio. I think he needs to show up. A two hour conversation for a million people would be well worth his time. Exactly.

I think that Trump didn't get everything he said he would done. And that is disappointing to some people. Like, I personally feel like maybe it would be nice

to get some more progress on border security and the wall i think he did do some things you know i can be disappointed that it wasn't as much as i'd like i but i think the economy was strong under him i think that there were a lot of positives to the trump presidency and covid was a very unusual uh way to go out that unfortunately you know has put him in a weird position going into 2024. I think that the hardest thing about the Trump presidency was that he was so good at captivating his audience when he was campaigning. And then when he got into the White House, it's hard for me not to think that he switched out who was around him and that he was often misled by bad advice.

And I would be afraid going into into 24 if he was elected again that he would again give seats to advisors who maybe don't have his best interests or the best interests of his base at heart and that is nerve-wracking as a voter to say like do we do we try again it's not that we shouldn't i mean especially given that he is willing to go to east palestine when at least two biden officials are were at least planning, like Biden did leave the country that he had the EPA was going to. And then it was like, oh, just kidding. I'll stay here and deal with Ohio.

I mean, the Biden administration's legacy in the past three years or however long he's been in is not good. And I think one bad year of Trump versus everything he accomplished. So, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of clear who would be a stronger candidate. I'm hearing that Trump's going to be there tomorrow. I don't know. That's what I heard, too. But he hasn't officially released a date. It's like the EPA just rushed in to beat him there.

A lot. If you're listening, you want to go to Ohio and check this out. So we'll get a lot of LA out. We'll see if he's interested in going down there. And that'd be really, really cool. I like DeSantis. I think he's doing really going down there and that'd be really really cool i i like desantis i think he's doing really well on culture war issues but this is the kind of stuff that i'll i'll i'll say

it again trump is a ceo he's the visionary he's got the plan but he's kind of you know the coo is the guy in the suit who who executes the vision of the ceo and knows how to navigate that system to get the job done so yeah a good ceo can do that without a coo you know if you have a large company you're going to need someone to organize but a good ceo can do all the positions of the company right and i think donald trump is a good ceo but i don't think ron desantis is i think ron desantis is a coo i'm not i'm not speaking ill of trump's abilities i'm saying i think desantis has proven very very well that he's a good leader but it feels to me like with a story like this uh you know i i don't know trump trump feels like the guy after there could be a dark horse that is completely outside the realm that we're not thinking about.

For sure. No, but like. John Bolton. No, but fully outside. In the same way that Trump was an outsider, like, you know, who is someone that is intellectual and has an absolutely massive following that could come in and stir things up?

Well, yeah, exactly. He would never do it. Yay. Yeah, yay. But I mean, he's smart, but I don't know if I'd call him an intellectual. Like i don't where is he what you know if he really wants this where what why would he get out on this show for instance that's ridiculous no no he he's he's not wow interested apparently buddha judge is going he's rushing there now i'm telling you the epa is

the federal government is reacting to trump saying he was going to be there trump said this friday night and they're like oh goodness we have to beat him there Trump saying he was going to be there. Trump said this Friday night and they're like, oh, goodness, we have to beat him there. Because if he goes, especially to a county he won twice in a state, he won twice and then is like, I am here for you. And the Biden administration is not. In fact, not even the Biden administration, Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris, anyone who might seek to replace Biden. It's it's an unbeatable moment for Trump. And it would mean a lot to the people who voted for him in the first place.

Trump should show up with a checkbook and just start writing $1,000 checks to locals and be like, And make a viral video of it, dude. And Ben Johnson's like, that was my move. Or you can be like, shout out to Benny.

Benny Johnson did it first, but it was a tremendous idea, so we're going to do it. I bet a lot of these people were getting advice that in the last two weeks, if you go there and there's dioxins in the air, you could very well get lymphoma, some sort of skin

cancer and die. Like that could end your life kind of fear. I think there's a lot of that, which is even more sickening that there has been radio silence. They wouldn't have been so scared that like they would have stayed outside the town probably. And at least even going to the general area would have helped them. So I don't think that they were actually concerned for their health. I was for my own personal health. I actually didn't want to go

because I was like, I don't want to breathe that in. There's a picture that the Ohio EPA put up of like the director of the Ohio EPA, the Lieutenant Governor of Ohio, like holding plastic cups with water in them. They're like, they're drinking the water. It's fine. But I just kept thinking, why isn't it a video?

Why aren't you showing me them actually drinking it there might be one circulating around but they're saying things to assuage fears by also still not doing anything let's let's jump to this next story we did talk about this the other day but now it's trending again we have this uh from the new york intelligence when marjorie taylor green says national divorce she means another civil war. All right. Well, maybe. I don't think so. But there's a viral, it's trending on Twitter with now many conservatives and libertarians saying national divorce is a very, very bad idea because it would just mean that China stomps out what's left of the U.S. once we disassociate or break up. Some people are calling it a delusion, saying the country is mostly blue cities with red

rural areas. My attitude is I don't know about need a national divorce. I know Michael Malz talks quite a bit about it, but I just know that the divide between cities and rural areas or red areas and blue areas is so different. It is completely different dimensions of perception and reality. It is people in one state, in California, with open borders, with child sex changes, with limitless abortion. That is, it is drifted so far away from where traditional Americans are, where even moderate, like liberal types are, that there's no bringing that back

together so you can argue we we can't have a national divorce and it's like sure how does a country exist when two states have laws that are so divergent and cultural views are so divergent they're ready to start shooting each other right so i don't i don't know i don't think marjorie taylor green saying civil war no she's attempting to avoid war at all costs from what i've said what she's told me is that she has kids and she does not want her kids fighting in a war to die so this is she thinks that a national divorce could prevent but that's literally short-sighted personally that's literally what the first civil war was the south South attempted a peaceful divorce, saying, we signed it, we voted

on it, we agreed on it, have a nice day. And the union said, F no. We're sending in the troops and then tried calling in troops and then a bunch of other states joined. Check out the story from TimCast.com. A tax on power grid up 71%. Officials say the number of politically or ideologically motivated taxes growing. So welcome to your daily. Well, I don't think it's fair to call it a black pill. Here's why. Black pilling to me is like despair and depression, like it's all bad. And I don't think bad is the right word to describe a circumstance that just happens to be. Bad things are happening. Bad things happen. Good things happen after bad things.

I mean, the Roman Empire collapsed. You had the Dark Ages, and then, you know, things, we had a Renaissance, we had a Golden Age, things got better. I mean, granted, there were plagues and war and other things like that, but it's an ebb and flow.

You can't expect all of life on the planet to always be sitting in your lounge chair, eating a bowl of nachos, watching a football game. There's gonna be hardship, especially when weak men make hard times, but then hard times will make strong men. What I see right now is we have the unfortunate privilege of being, all of you listening,

the strong men in the weak time. I'm sorry, in the bad time. Weak men have made a bad time, and we are now getting to what may be the bottom of it. Maybe it gets worse, but then it's going to require strong men, people like you watching, to do what it takes to fortify, defend, expand, protect the ideals that we care about. For all of the insanity in this country when it comes to the culture war with far left psych psych psychotic individuals with weird gender ideology we all know that stuff can't survive the soviet union lasted what 69 years that's it the united states have been around for over 250 some what 270 something so was it 250 something right so we've done a pretty good job much better than

the soviet union Their union collapsed. In the event these lunatics start destroying our institutions, and they are, in the event the institutions crumble, their ideas will cease to exist, and preserve the ideals of individual liberty, freedom, etc. Except what happened with Atlantis. There are situations where we could completely annihilate everything and start from the ground, start from rock bottom, literally the Stone Age, where we need to figure out how to carve metal with rock. Yeah, but if that occurred, that wasn't self-inflicted that we know of but it might have been they might have had some sort of vibrational technology that lowered the earth's magnetic field and allowed meteors to land on the planet who knows like it's the it could be it's the implosion annihilation as opposed to the explosion annihilation which would be nuclear war you know that's one possible maybe it was maybe it was just

coincidence maybe but they they could have used technology that annihilated them. There's no way to know. But regardless, I mean, now we need to channel resources effectively towards the causes that we believe in. And some people call it parallel economy. There's this whole concept of a network state that Balaji has come up with a really interesting book sort of about how, you know, social networks, online communities are going to crowdsource, particularly with crypto, because, you know, that is a fully independent outside economic structure. And so we're already building up the parallel world and it's going to happen simultaneously. Like this idea that there's going to be some sort of like, you know, perfect, like collapse. And then it's just not all going to happen at once. It's going to happen slowly over time. And we're seeing the alternatives build up. So there's all kinds of sustainable conscious communities all over the world that are that are tuning in to how to do things the right way. So I think that, you know, what you're saying, Tim,

like solutions are happening. It's slowly getting built up. I'm really excited to do a Cast Castle Yellowstone parody about the castle ranch and we're chicken ranchers and they keep trying to steal our land. You know, we'll go out and we'll herd the chickens. It'll be really funny. I think it's nice to live through prosperous times,

but I think as an individual, you have more influence during difficult times, right? The way you choose to live your life during challenges and the values that you choose to fight for and the changes you choose to make for your life, you know, right now, if this is a difficult time, they are more likely to determine the course of your personal history,

as well as your family's history, as well as your community's history. I mean, this is the time that you have the chance to make the biggest difference just by the way you choose to live and demonstrate your values. I like, to a certain degree, the hard times. I don't like the idea that people have to suffer.

Like the idea of saying like, oh, hard times are great. It's like, yeah, that means people are doing really bad. It's like when Bill Maher said, if a recession will stop Trump, then bring on the recession. And that's like a horrible thing. But me personally, I prefer the active, not the inactive. And so maybe hard times isn't the right word. I like seeing people be logical and active in building their communities up, protecting them, figuring out how to make things work. That means going to meetings. It means struggle. It means, to a certain degree,

conflict, like political conflict, not violence. I'm talking about going to a meeting and a guy like, no, your policy on this is wrong. I prefer a society of people who are constantly fighting for what is best because it's the sedentary, it's the lazy, it's the inactive, which results in real hard times when the food goes missing, when the crime runs rampant. That's what we're seeing right now. This is multiculturalism, ladies and gentlemen. This is what happens when the utopia of multiculturalism comes to your country. This idea that they try to make it seem like multiculturalism is when people of different backgrounds all live together in harmony. What it really means is the values you have aren't shared by your neighbors, which means they don't know and they don't care about you. So when you say something like,

I believe in free speech, they go, no. Then your government decides the lowest common denominator is the way things are to be run. And that means no free speech because then someone's going to get mad somewhere. No, we can't live that way. You got to maintain an overarching culture, a parent culture of the content we like, the things we agree on, the things we disagree on, the things that are illegal, the things that are legal. And then underneath that, say a US constitution that guarantees free speech. Oh, you can believe whatever you want to believe. You can live in an area called Ukrainian village in Chicago or Chinatown, where you are mostly surrounded by people who come from the same place as you. You can speak about the ideas you want.

Your culture can exist underneath the U.S. cultural umbrella. But this idea of multiculturalism as they describe it is basically U.S. culture next to, say, like Middle Eastern cultures, which they clash. Free speech and blasphemy laws, they don't go together. It's like a melting pot with the temperature turned down. There's no melting. It's chunky. Anybody knows who's making a cheese sauce, certain cheeses are hard cheeses.

They don't melt so well, right? So I did provolone cheddar with Cajun spice and Parmesan, but the Parmesan doesn't want to melt. And so you got a melting pot. It can work. Cheese sauce was delicious, but the Parmesan stayed solid, floating in the cheese.

We need to turn up the temperature culturally without sparking the nuclear temperature explosions. I'm talking about making people laugh and find joy and actually engage with their pain and acknowledge it and like let it happen. I think people would have to want to participate then, right? Like if you have a culture that you love and you identify with and it's in conflict to U.S. values, why would you want to adopt U.S. values? If you're happy with the values of your society and your culture and everything about it i mean you have to

there is some up active participation like the idea of a melting pot is nice and it's it's a good uh metaphor in a lot of respects but it negates the fact that people have to actively choose to uh want to become part of the american cultural fabric and i think that that's not true for everyone i think being in a new geographic space isn't the same thing as wanting to be a part of a new experience, right? That's why when you talk about early immigration to America, I think of like Ellis Island and everything.

Like there are people who had their cultures, but they also wanted to be here because there was a dream and there was a vision. And I don't know that our culture as a society has that same sort of desire to blend. I think there's people all over earth that would make better Americans than a lot of people that are in the country right now that are actual citizens because their beliefs are – I talk to them online.

I have video chats with people in other countries that are smarter and more adept than the beer drinking football lovers. No offense if that's you, but if you've got a beer gut, you're a problem. Fix it. Well, and in terms of who is co-opting the culture, I mean, if you look at OpenAI and ChatGPT and all the search engines, basically, they are engineering culture. They're trying to. And so what's happening, I actually got ChatGPT to admit that it is using data that it doesn't have the rights to. That's a good one.

Wow. And so they admitted that they should not be using it commercially. Yeah. And because what are they doing? They're grabbing all data from everywhere that they can. Without permission. And in your data, your data, your data is all in there feeding it making it more valuable to them so i think we need to sue open ai on some sort of class action lawsuit so that they share

revenue with the people whose data they're actually using and you know we obviously need something that is uncensored um on the side and unbiased even though that is going to be a chaotic animal that is going to be just as offensive. But it does need to exist. Let's put a tack on that one. We have breaking news right now. This just happened, apparently, on Tucker Carlson. Vivek Ramaswamy announces

2024 presidential bid. Just a moment ago, Ian was talking about a potential underdog. I think that was you, right, Ian? I think Bill brought it up. You brought up uh someone an underdog or someone coming in and we said yay or psychic uh and then literally like as you were saying this it's like 8 20 so it's about half an hour ago conservative author and businessman businessman vivek ramaswamy announced tuesday he is running for president in the 2024 race i'm assuming as a republican if he's launching on tucker quote we're in the middle of. I'm assuming as a Republican, if he's launching on Tucker. Quote,

we're in the middle of this national identity crisis, Tucker, where we have celebrated our diversity and our differences for so long that we forgot all the ways we really are the same as Americans, bound by a common set of ideals that set this nation into motion 250 years ago. I'm proud to say I'm running for United States president to revive those ideals in this country, those basic rules of the road, meritocracy, the idea you get ahead in this country, not in the color of your skin, but in the content of your character.

Our diversity is meaningless if nothing greater binds us together. That's really great. I like the guy. We've had him on the show before. But I got to be honest. DeSantis is as close as you can get to competition to Donald Trump. And even then, it's a long shot. I mean, we see polls that go back and forth, but Trump is consistently the guy.

And I think the reason is Trump woke up a lot of voters who did not vote before, but now are, and they are loyal to Trump. You also need someone with hundreds of millions of followers to have any chance to come out of nowhere. So you need like a mega influencer like the rock or someone like that on that level i'm not saying that he should but oprah yeah exactly you need to be at the absolute top tier of you know online personality to to come out of nowhere anyone want to be president well that's what i keep thinking not everyone wants to be president but some people want to launch a presidential campaign, get the exposure, and then produce another book or get a show on Fox or whatever they're doing.

I want to be like, we are diverting funds to East Palestine. We're going to use some experimental technology and see if we can pull these chemicals out of the river with magnets. We're doing it. And we're sending $600 million into this. Thank you for your taxes. And I want to be able to do that. And I think the president can do that kind of thing. I don't want to get killed off.

But do you want to do all the other stuff that the president has to deal with too? I don't want to do it. No, I want to play Divinity 2. But I feel like I have to to get it done. Yo, so as everybody knows, I'm watching Yellowstone. I'm on season five now. And it's really great when the main character is now the governor, John Dutton. And then it's like you have a meeting with this group.

And he's like, why? And they're like, your advisor's plan. He's like, no one told me that. And he's like, walks in the room, you're all fired, get out. And basically, they're telling him, here's your new policy initiative. And he's like, no, it isn't. I never agreed to that. That's how it is.

The president, you're going to walk in. And they're going to be like, here's your plan for schools. You got it. The CIA is going to walk in and say, here's the war action you're taking in Afghanistan. And you're going to walk in and they're going to be like, here's your plan for schools. You got it. The CIA is going to walk and say, here's the war action you're taking in Afghanistan. You're going to go, sure. Donald Trump was probably the first guy in a long time to go, excuse me. No, not my plan. You're fired.

And they got mad. Because like if you don't repurpose the war, because I'd be like, OK, Lockheed, we're going to repurpose the weapons. Let's blow some chemicals up on Mars and heat up the atmosphere. But they might be like, well, if we do that, then the chinese are going to take taiwan the russians are going to take crimea if we if we nuke mars if we if we re-divert the military industrial complex into something less violent and start using its thermonuclear capabilities to heat up the atmosphere on mars for instance as opposed to killing people on earth and laying rubble to cities that's at least a use of the materials so that they can keep making money but the argument might be like well then russia's going to take crimea and then poland's next

like you need to defend against psychosis maybe and it's like at that point maybe i do maybe maybe the military industrial complex is legit who do you guys think trump picks as vp john dutton i'm just kidding in the real world who do you think I mean Kevin Costner would not be a bad pick yeah but he's amazing no the thing is I think I think that John Dutton when he accepts that he's going to be governor

like I am the wall that progress smashes against speech is oh right it's one of the best speeches I've ever heard in TV that doesn't mean anything

I don't watch a lot of TV but why are people saying that show is woke I don't get it I don't I think it's that one character but you know whatever The activist lady?

Yeah, the daughter-in-law of John Dutton. But because they make him a villain. Subtly. John? Yeah. I think I've always rooted for that in family when I watch this show. But maybe that's because I'm John. He's a hero and villain simultaneously.

That's like the subversion. But that's what's interesting about his character. The things that he is villainized for wanting, you actually also sympathize with like he wants to protect his family's legacy i'm not totally kidding when i say john dutton would be a good vp pick like someone who is dedicated to ideals that americans feel like have been lost right someone who can openly say that like i put my family first i put my community first that would be powerful. I think one of the downsides of Trump is that he is a celebrity. He is extremely wealthy.

I mean, Pence, there's no way he comes back with Pence, right? And the other thing is that Pence hit the Christian conservative Midwest, you know, triangulate that they wanted, but he wasn't enough of a personality to balance Trump. And I think that is why they picked him.

On the other hand, Americans want to know that there are other people like Trump. It's got to is why they picked him. On the other hand, Americans want to know that there are other people like Trump. So picking someone else- It's gotta be DeSantis. You think so? If Trump, if the ticket was Trump-DeSantis-

They could win. I think it'd be solid. It would be, I would imagine, you know, let's do this. You ready, guys? If it's Trump-DeSantis on the ticket,

we're talking 49 state landslide here. Okay, now in all seriousness, you go ahead and clip that, Media Matters or whoever else. I think that you'll see a decent point swing. You might see like a 51% or some, it's not going to be 49, 49, 49.5, 49.8 or whatever. You might actually get 52%. Trump and DeSantis, I think DeSantis gets you a lot of the more moderate people who are like, well, he's going to keep Trump in line a little bit, give him good advice, and he's going to advise on policy better. Plus, being president of the Senate will be really, really great. Donald Trump is the arrogant guy who's going to go and clean house.

I think that works. If they team up, that is beyond a winning ticket because Democrats are struggling. Tulsi with Trump? No. No. No. No. I mean, I like Tulsi,

but I think she would be a cabinet member. Man, okay, I'm just going to... We got a year or so, but you come to me and you say Donald Trump is running with DeSantis as a VP, Tulsi Gabbard is campaigning for them,

planning to be a national security advisor, and I'm just like, whew! Swoon for that administration, you know what I mean? It's not perfect, but I talked about this with... Sorry, this just shows how used we are to having bad

leaders. But I hear what you're saying. Tulsi, I don't see tulsi as presidential because even when you look at her campaign in in 2019 2020 it was very very much just about the war machine and i can respect her position on that i i i think she's she's great she's come around a lot of issues too she was pro-gun control now she's eased up on it but i see her primarily being a a the inversion of john bolton somebody you bring as a national security advisor who is going to help work towards these peace deals in positive ways i see ron desantis as the coo a guy who knows how to make these things happen he's he's he's straight to the point

he's in touch donald trump is the he's literally even right now the ceo he's the crazy guy with the vision that says this is what the people want this is what we got to do he likes to sit around watching fox news he's not going to be the guy to go out and lift the heavy rocks and get the job done that's going to be a desantis and then with the tulsi gabbard on national security oh man i mean that would just be a plus. I think they would. What about Tucker? Why would Tucker leave what he's doing? Yeah, I don't know. No, he's not a policy guy.

Tucker is a, he's a bard, right? He's, you know, he speaks, people listen. He shares ideas, people listen. But he's not the commander in chief. He's the lookout. You know what I mean? I think there'll be a push for Krist christy gnome because she's young conservative female she's from uh south dakota i don't i think you're right desantis is the strongest choice but if we're just saying who else might come up

uh and again she's someone who could have a nice political future she's very loyal to trump but i think desantis it adds to the legacy of like the MAGA movement I think that's what's hard people don't know people who are really behind Trump 100% feel strongly about the call to MAGA America first don't know who takes up the crown after Trump's runs out of chances to be in office right like if he's re-elected that's his last term he can't go again and so naming DeSantis as yourp or again someone young someone who seems like they can carry forth this movement that is a vote for the future for the people who believe in this movement because they saw what happens if there isn't someone to take donald trump's place it's

also interesting like are you remember the unity project that brent weinstein did it's and they went after him they went to Yeah, they got censored. But it's also just sad how such a well-intentioned project just doesn't gain steam. Because unless you ride the divide and just take advantage of the hyper-politicization on each side, for some reason just being balanced

is not interesting to people. It's sad. I think it's like we're in the sports team mentality though you have to vote you have to get really excited about your candidate and they have to have a brand they have to feel like you're you're really buying into something and when you're neutral when you want to hear both sides of the argument when you want to just advise people to come together it doesn't feel competitive and although we need it and although it's important, it doesn't win votes the same way, unfortunately. I think it's because the media wants division, divisiveness to sell clicks and to generate the war fervor.

Whether it's the person that you hate or the person that's doing their bidding, they want one of those guys in the spotlight. Yeah, I was looking at a bunch of YouTube content and stuff. And man, it is demoralizing quite a bit. I see so much content on Twitter and on YouTube and on Facebook that is beyond clickbait hyperbole, right? I know the title of this video right now is like Russia Ends Last Nuclear Treaty, Trump Warns of World War III. Those are literal things that happened. You know, I didn't, I didn't put the headline world war three is now Putin threatens nukes. The treaty is over. I said, Russia ends last nuclear treaty. He did Trump warns of world war three. He did granted. I want it to be like enticing. I want to grab

your attention, but man, I got scruples and I'm looking at a lot of people and they'll get more views by saying something more like World War Three just started. Vladimir Putin threatens to nuke after dissolving treaty. Donald Trump is terrified or something like really just driving it. And that's not even the most extreme. Like the example I see often is like some dude will, you know, trip and fall. And then the video will be titled dude gets into horrific accident grotesque injuries morbid and then you click it and it's a guy like rubbing his shin because he bumped it

into a curb or something it's like the stuff that gets attention what everyone's striving for is the most extreme headline and so one of the problems we have right now with news in order to attract attention you have to one-up yourself every single time thus the narrative emerging on twitter is increasingly getting unhinged and we're addicted we need more we need more to trigger that dopamine one-up yourself every single time. Thus, the narrative emerging on Twitter is increasingly getting unhinged and we're addicted. We need more. We need more to trigger that dopamine. I mean, we've honestly experienced this exact issue at Mines because, you know, we've always been very balanced. Actually, our initial wave of growth was tons of progressives, like people following Edward Snowden and people who are like, you know, with Anonymous and all

of that stuff. And then, you know, with anonymous and all of that stuff. And then, you know, after Trump got elected, we got a huge wave of conservatives and libertarians. So we actually do have this very balanced user base, which is very different than the other conservative social networks like, you know, Parler, Gab, Truth, you know, those kinds of things which are very specifically political. And we try to stay neutral. And sometimes it's like, I mean, I cannot make myself fall for the temptation to go one way or the other. But, you know, the reality is that,

unfortunately, that, you know, people do click on that more. And they want you to do it. I want you guys, I'm just imagining something in my mind. I'm just imagining, I want you to imagine this. It is, when's election day 2024?

Do we know? Is it November 7th or something? I don't know. It's election night. And the votes are coming in. And they've got Joe Biden, Donald Trump, because Biden's running, who knows. And then, you know, they're counting the votes. And then all of a sudden they're like, it looks like 100% of Texas is reporting.

Well, this doesn't make sense. We only have about a million votes between Trump and Biden. What's going on? And then all of a sudden, one by one, all of the states, 100% reporting, 100% reporting. But only a couple hundred thousand or a million are between Trump and Biden. And then all of a sudden, they're like, we're just getting this right now, a third name. And then it's Ron Paul. And he gets 80% of every every state and somehow they're like

people just wrote his name in and then we get ron paul or someone like ron paul how old is he that's like 90 he couldn't is he 90 oh i don't know he's probably i'm just like you know because people are chatting talking about trump desantis gabbert and i'm like yeah but deep down everybody would be like ron pa Paul He'd be like You know I mean when What year was it When he was really Killing it in the

It's like 08 He's 88 08 He's 88 He's 88 And it was in 08 That was the year That he was running

Where he got a lot of fire And the internet Boosted him like crazy Blew up And he was by far Sort of the favorite Of the internet But for some reason

It just doesn't show up In the numbers Well the internet So even back then the internet was not as big viewership was not it was nowhere near as big you were getting tens of millions of views in these nightly cable shows the internet was getting tens of thousands now it's all flattening out decentralizing so even still the popularity of you know people we may have heard of may not reach the majority of people so So you think if Ron Paul happened today, it would be a different story

with that level of momentum that he had? No, I don't know. I'm just saying if we're truly talking about who we would want to be president, anybody who actually cares about this country, I would assume even many Trump supporters would probably be like, yeah, if we could have Ron Paul, we'd take Ron Paul. He's going to secure our borders. He's going to, well, I'm assuming, I think he's that degree of, but I know that he's

anti-intervention. I know that he wants to end the Fed. All of these things that generally will make things better for the working class. I don't completely agree with him. And I'm not trying to sit here and be like, I think Ron Paul's a perfect guy. He's just the, I'm going to leave you alone guy and bring things back to the American people, back to the way things in this country are supposed to be run. And it's interesting that Rand kind of doesn't fully have the fire of Ron, even though Rand, he's only half a Ron.

He's a deluded Ron. Yeah. I mean, look, there's a lot of great people, historical figures whose kids, you know, get halfway there. It's true. I mean, same thing with Donald Trump Jr., right? Like, no one's going to vote for him for president. As far as I know, it's not that he wouldn't do a good job. I just don't think he has the popularity and following.

There are other, like we're saying, DeSantis. There are other people who are in the political sphere who I think would have a higher momentum. Yeah, but Don Jr. does strike me as somebody who in the future could easily be that charismatic historical figure. There are a lot of people, famous have kids and you're like oh yeah they're kid what do they do you know what i mean like they don't reach that level for whatever reason don jr is massively well-known famous with millions of followers 10 20 more years i think he certainly could be someone to take the place of his dad there are a lot of people uh you know i'm not i don't want to call anybody out or anything like that but there are famous musicians who have

kids and you're like you know you know, they never got nearly as big. Some legendary status and then the kid doesn't fill the shoes. Yeah, a lot of times it's struggle that makes someone great and then if they're great their kids don't have to struggle. Well, I don't know that Donald Trump struggled. He didn't. His dad was super wealthy.

He had a million dollars handed to him pretty early on to start his own thing. Don Jr. probably no struggle. I mean, everyone struggles their own way not someone everyone struggles yeah i was gonna say there are all kinds of private troubles they weren't starving or someone said to me once this is interesting do you think donald trump has ever walked a mile i mean it sounds like a golf course probably yeah it seems like a stupid question but when you when you're thinking about someone who is born into a wealthy family it's not even about trump. I'm not trying to drag Trump. It's this idea of people who are born in New York who are born to wealthy families.

They walk out their front door to a black car waiting for them. Why walk a mile? You get out and get the car. You don't got time for this. Yeah, you walk a block or two to go grab something. Of course, it's a silly question. But the reality is, yes, of course, Donald Trump has probably walked a mile. He's probably walked five miles. He's probably walked around new york but he's walked substantially less than you have

that's an interesting thing you know yeah like number of miles that you've walked towards your sort of like groundedness as a human i don't know about that i just mean there's a distinct there's a difference between people who are born wealthy and how they live their lives and the average person i don't get the Trump phenomenon. I don't get it. What do you mean? I feel like he was like the best of a pool of terrible candidates and people just were missing daddy because they didn't have strong father figures in 2016.

So he was what was there. But he lies to people. About what? He's a rich kid that didn't have to. Well, he just told everyone that everyone said he's the greatest all the time. I mean, he just he lies for a living. OK, hold on. Hold on.

He said they all say Trump's been right about everything. That's a lie. How they don't. They don't all say that, Donald. Who's they? Exactly. Who's he? What does he even?

What does he even? What does he even make talking about someone being a boastful braggart is being a boastful braggart. Someone lying is if Trump said, I went to a meeting of seniors and everyone in the room clapped for me saying I was the greatest. You're like, okay, that never happened. That's a specific thing. Trump being like, everybody loves me. It's like, well, what does he mean by that? Yeah, but it's a manipulative linguistic technique to do that constantly. And that is what he does. Sure. But here's the issue. You want to talk about lying. The issue I take with Donald Trump is that. Is that he comes out and he goes, you know, everybody says I'm really the best president ever. And I'm like, oh, okay, you know, sure. But like, he doesn't, first of all, he doesn't say that because Saudi Arabia. We're going to make a ton of money. It's great. And everyone's just like, he's just explaining what we're doing

in terms of propping up the economy. He comes out and he goes, we're keeping 200 troops in Syria to protect the oil. Don't worry. And it's like, he just, he's just saying it out loud. Like he's honest about some of the most important things. I don't care that he comes out and he's like, everybody loves me. I'm like, okay, Don, but thanks for telling me that you kept troops in Syria to protect oil. Granted, he didn't want to. They made him do it. But still, that's the stuff I care about. He's undoubtedly the first president to ever

remove the filter to that level. The Saudi Arabia thing was like, just seeing the intercept be like, he just said it. He said the thing. He just came out and said it it's like every president has always lied about selling weapons to these to middle eastern countries donald trump comes out when south the saudis are are decimating yemen and there's a major

humanitarian crisis and just says but it's okay we're gonna make a ton of money it's gonna be great for the u.s economy and he just tells you he's doing it. That's what matters to me. Trump can come out and say his mom said he's the most handsome guy in the classroom. And I'll be like, oh, OK. Like, yeah, I don't care about that. But then if he comes out and goes, I think we spend about a trillion dollars on these weapons in these countries. I'll be like, wow, maybe we should not do those things. I mean, I feel like you got to buddy up with him, man.

You got to get in his head more. You got to buddy up with him, man. You got to get in his head more. You got to build a relationship. Me? Yeah. Why me? Well, because, you know, obviously massive community listening that he wants to access. And I feel like he knows who you are.

He knows, you know, this community. And he should want to befriend this community. And if he can't show that he wants to do that, then I don't know. It's like he wanted to go on Rogan, and Rogan didn't want to have him because he knew he was just going to get used. That's crazy to me. Used? What do you mean? People – I go on Joe Rogan, and I went from 200,000 to like 600,000 subs in a month.

It was crazy. Everybody knows if you get on a big podcast, it brings awareness to who you are and the work you're doing if donald trump asked to come on the show i'd be like you tell me when and we will kick off anybody bill's coming on the show bill get the out donald trump no we just have you sit there or something but uh if donald trump wanted to come on i'd say yes uh i think maybe he wanted to do the debate between them, and then it didn't work out. Was it the other way around? Well, no, no. Trump was willing to do it, but I forget what happened.

But I know for a fact that Joe said he's not interested in having him on alone. He said on his show something about that. He didn't want to help the guy or something. Well, maybe he also feels like he's not in a position to really debate. Joe Rogan is a great dude. He's a good friend, man. He really helped us out back when we all got sick and all that stuff. But I really feel like he absolutely should have endorsed Donald Trump.

He should have had him on the show. That's just me. Because if Donald Trump got a big bump in 2020, imagine all of these crises that we would be avoiding right now. Donald Trump is far from a perfect individual. He's kind of a gross guy in a lot of ways. I get it. I hear from a lot of people saying, like he says, nasty things. They wish he didn't. But I really, really do feel in my heart of hearts if Trump was president right now, East Palestine would have been taken care of in an instant. He'd be watching Tucker Carlson. Tucker would be like a major disaster happened and Trump would be like, I do not want people mad at me about this.

I'm getting on a plane first thing. Get the job done. There'd be no war in Ukraine. He'd be like, that has nothing to do with us. Don't know. Don't care. When we had the with the Maidan protest 2024, we had military built up. We had Crimea.

Trump gets elected. Everything stops either because Putin was not concerned or he was scared. I'll take either one. I think if Rogan said, look, man, Joe Biden is not a good guy. And if the choice is Joe Biden, who has a history of corruption and a Donald Trump, who is, yeah, you know, take Trump. And what did Joe Rogan say recently when he was asked, what do you say to people who are upset about the lockdowns? And he goes, vote Republican.

He starts laughing. He goes, no, but seriously, that's people they already are. Imagine if Joe had that attitude in 2020 in the run up to the election. And he told everybody, guys, Biden is not going to help you on this one. Trump may be far from perfect, but Joe, I understand he's not a culture warrior. So it's unfortunate that there's that opportunity for influence that would have left us all better off. Maybe. Trump started the lockdowns.

He could have Albert Bourla as his VP, the CEO of Pfizer. What's that guy's name? That's a bit out there. Yeah, I know. But it's like he gave the keys to Pfizer and Fauci. Like Donald Trump totally failed as a president in that respect. In terms of not firing Fauci and not firing... Not maintaining liberty and freedom across the land.

Well, I think the thing you misunderstand, Ian, is the president doesn't have the authority to supersede the states that way. Isn't that the 10th Amendment? 10th. And there are some things he could do. He could, you know, lead civil action. He could pull funding. He could do a lot of that stuff and he could

pressure them in a lot of ways and he should have but look man you can complain about donald trump all day and night but there is still no question that if trump was in office we'd be better off i'll say i'm happy to have a conversation with donald trump and i want to work with him if he's really serious about this because i know steve bannon i know i know people that run with donald like um god who else have we had on the show we've had uh what's his name god i love you i don't even remember your name anyway but you love him people like people i know and what does the person do we'll get his name um we've had all like his cabinet has been on we have have, um, what's his name? The guy reminds me of my dad.

I don't know his name, whatever. Uh, anyway, people that I'd like Peter, Peter Navarro. Yeah. That's who I was trying to think of Navarro. What's up Pete?

Um, so I'm open to a conversation, but I am so black pill. I'm, I have such, now I don't know. Is black pill like nihilism? Like I want to see it fall or is black pill.

Like I have no hope. I have no hope right now. So it's that, that's that kind of black pill. I don't know, is Black Pill like nihilism, like I want to see it fall, or is Black Pill like I have no hope? I have no hope right now. So it's that kind of Black Pill. I don't know. Is it, what's nihilism? I don't want to destroy it. I just see no path to salvation. Oh, there's a path.

This is why I don't like necessarily saying Black Pill. Black Pill implies for a lot of people that there's no path forward. There is. It's just we got to walk through the dark forest, right? It's like you're walking down a path, and then all of a sudden there's a bunch of creepy looking trees and creepy eyes and everything around you and you're like okay well this is gonna suck but we have to do it and then eventually we'll come out on the other side and there will be uh you know spring flowers and beautiful beautiful trees and flowing fields or rolling hills or whatever but it's like the forest forest

man no human has ever successfully come out on the other end of this forest okay well that's where we have to go every that's what it feels like is like no people don't make it out of that forest but that's the one you have to walk through that's black pill and that's why i disagree with every crisis humanity has ever faced we have succeeded but i mean you got to find succeeded we're here one side one and killed all the other ones so you could say we succeeded but at what cost like are we going to wipe everything out and start again with a new language and a new religion because that's not success this is blackpilled i take a look at where humanity is right now with all the good things we have and all the bad things we've done away with and i'm like

wow humanity has overcome every challenge set before it. And I am confident we will again. The night is always darkest before the dawn, and we may be entering one of the darkest nights we've faced in a long time. But if history can teach us anything, it's that we will triumph and succeed. Unfortunately for all of us, the weak men will be leading us into very dark times for which we will have to struggle through. And we don't get the luxurious period like, you know, the past couple of generations. We're going to have to really fight hard for this one, but it'll be worth it. And I'm confident in the end, we absolutely will succeed. You know why?

Math, statistics, probability. There, in every single circumstance on human history, we have pulled through. I'm confident we're gonna i don't think that we are the one time in human history where humans just cease to exist no i don't i don't think and not to mention now we have unprecedented technology to enable us to do that independently like and build sort of a side civilization regardless of what anybody wants so it's not really up for debate anymore. There's a whole new system that's being built. But you look at Atlantis.

You could say that it's never, I mean, that completely almost, Earth was like completely reset almost. They don't even have- But like, we don't even know that Atlantis is real. Exactly. We don't even have evidence that it was real. And it might not.

We have like a storybook. Well, it probably is. Did you see the Rishat structure? Yeah, of course. Oh my God. And it's the same dimensions as what Plato said it was. So, I mean,

that's the capital of Atlantis. Bro, one city ceasing to exist is not an apocalypse. No, it was an entire global empire. That was the capital. Okay, come on, dude. I mean, regardless, Ian, like we still have to do what we can.

I mean, it's like kind of, what's the point? Like, okay, everything can get decimated, but we still just do what we can. I mean, it's like kind of, what's the point? Like, okay, everything can get decimated, but we still just do what we can. Where did the, I mean, we're here, right? So obviously something survived. If Atlantis got completely wiped out and we're here, what happened in between?

The two things that got hit the hardest was North America and Syria. Everything else, some other things survived, like East Asia. Right, right, right. So humanity did continue on even if we did lose those two things i think that in times of change yes there are some things will change and some things will not be sustained but i don't think it's just like oh

it's all over i mean i think you see you were talking about this earlier you see evolution shift over time as some things are starting to fall apart they're already being replaced by structures that exist it's not like we go through a period where everything falls apart there's nothing and then we start again that's not the timeline of humanity you know what i mean like there will never be a time when you're completely just alone in the world there will always be something bro outside of let's let's hypothetically atlantis was real and it fell apart so did the roman. And then bad things happened and then humanity

fought through them, figured it out. Bad things happen and then we eventually get rid of those bad things. We build better systems. We retain the good. We get rid of the bad.

Maybe. What if there is... Maybe. No, we literally every single time... I don't know if all the good was retained from that... I didn't say all the good.

But we get rid of the bad as a tendency towards good and removal of bad. And that's... You can look through history and it has always been that way. Ian, I nominate you to lead the excavation of the Rishat structure and find the secret time capsule that exists underneath it so that we can find the secret. But why hasn't anybody done that? Because the Mauritanian government is super secretive and protective of it.

It's very weird. Because the Illuminati is underground accessing ancient Atlantean technology. Most likely. They control the world with ultra-powerful AI. Oh, now let's talk about AI. The black pill gets darker. I agree with you there. AI is so blackfilling to me.

It's so creepy. It's so bizarre. Bill, you told me about a couple open ones, one called Open Assistant and the other one Lion, L-A-I-N-E. Well, they're the same. Oh, yeah. Can you explain those? Let's do this.

I want to launch this topic on AI with this segment. We have this tweet from Deplorable for Trump 2024 saying, Biden was caught on a damning hot mic in Poland after commenting on three UFOs shot down, saying, you think any of these guys bought that bullish? Hey, totally. They'll buy anything. Let's get out of here. Let me play the audio for you.

Here you go. Scientific research. Mr. President, why have you chosen Poland? We need a President Xi, Mr. President. You think they bought any of that bullshit? No, absolutely not. These guys don will believe anything let's get ahead of here no that's he said yeah those guys will believe anything

is that is that 100 true like no that's so the twitter says it's a deep fake i think obviously it's a deep fake the problem is you can't prove a negative i don't know where this video came from someone posted it on twitter people are saying it's fake and it's like well you can say prove a negative. I don't know where this video came from. Someone posted it on Twitter. People are saying it's fake. And it's like, well, you can say it's fake, but how do you prove a negative? You would think that there would be some kind of signature detection

that you could run on an actual deep fake piece of media that would be able to detect it. Except you could auto- auto generate fake voices in video and then recompress or render it so that it smooths all those things out you could that's why it's probably so blurry they were trying to make it look like it's a recording of a recording so you can't see the blemishes i think it's obviously fake apparently pj media rendered as a real story well that's what i was going to say it's obviously fake because b, PJ Media ran it as a real story. Well, that's what I was going to say. It's obviously fake

because Biden is not slurring. When his voice takes it again, I know that sounds ridiculous, but if you listen to Biden, he is muffled in his speech. Whenever you hear an AI-generated recreation of his voice,

it's much clearer probably because it's taking audio from a long time ago. But the fact that then somebody's going to pick up this story and say, well, this is going to get, that Biden says, oh, they'll believe anything,

and then another media outlet picks it up, and another one picks it out, and another one picks it up, that's how they make it true. Now, you heard that one, but this one's even more damning. Wait till you hear this deepfake leaked audio from Andrew at Don't Walk, Run Productions.

Listen to this. Thank you, Poland. Thank you, thank you, thank you for what you're doing. God bless you all. Listen to this hot mic moment from Biden. Finally, the children I was promised. Give me our lifeblood. Wow. Can you believe Joe Biden said that? No, I think Andrew is just making fun of the fact that people believed that that clip was real. Yeah.

I mean, the problem is that everyone's going to have the ability to sort of deny things that they really said and claim that it's deepfake. I mean, here's the crazy thing. How can you use a recording in a court of law? A judge is not an expert and doesn't care. I will tell you this right now. We are entering territory where, oh, you want to talk about murders? You want to talk about criminal cases? Fine.

There's going to be a really difficult constitutional question. We saw with Kyle Rittenhouse. When they were flying the drone footage, they were like, look at this video. And then the defense had to argue, like, that's not a real image. An algorithm is creating the image. When you zoom in, that image doesn't exist. And they're like, what does that mean? We don't know what that means. Now, that's a criminal case. And there's going to be challenges brought up. But even then, it's hard. Hard to say that's not real. And you've got to get an expert in, and then they'll argue the expert's lying. In a civil case, it won't even get that far.

In a civil case, you'll go to a judge and say, here's a video of Ian admitting he owes me money. And the judge is going to go, okay, Ian, pay him. And you're going to be like, that's a fake video. Get out of here. It's not a fake video. Look, what are you going to do? How do you prove it's not real? I tell you this right now.

When it comes to civil cases, judge is outright going to be like, do you prove it's not real? I tell you this right now, when it comes to civil cases, judges outright going to be like, I don't know, I saw a video. And you're going to beg and be like, that is not real. Well, and instead of being presumed innocent, right? The person who's being accused is going to have to bring in a bunch of experts

to be like, this is where you can see possibly whatever, if they even can. And so it becomes a very difficult system. It becomes faster to set out of court, especially in a civil case. And then you're going to get cases where someone's going to actually say something. And then their lawyer is going to be like, you're in trouble. You said this on recording. Let's find a forensic expert who will testify it's a deepfake.

They go to the first forensic guy and he goes, that's a real recording. They go to the next guy. That's a real recording. They go to 20 guys. They all say, that's a real recording. Finally, they find one guy that's a real recording they go to 20 guys they all say that's a real recording finally the final one guy who says uh how much are you paying me to go and testify we'll pay you five thousand dollars oh yeah oh that's totally a deep fake can i have my money now yeah well after you go to court okay then he's gonna show up and he's gonna say it he's gonna say yeah here's why it's a deep fake here's why

i think i get paid now and then the court's gonna have to be like well, here's why it's a deep fake. Here's why I think I get paid now. And then the court's going to have to be like, well, I don't know. Is it a deep fake or not? Is there any precedent so far with that actually happening? I have heard stories where there's been nothing substantive. There's just scuttlebutt murmuring because the deep fake stuff is new. But, you know, let me just say i've heard stories so you think where it's going is that media admissibility as evidence is going to kind of go out the window do you like it do is it is it even is it are we just going to go back in time where it's all like it's so pervasive that it becomes not even admissible deep fake technology is going to get

so good that video evidence and audio evidence will probably become inadmissible in my opinion you'll go to cornwall back here's a video of the guy of the murderer stabbing someone and he'll go that's not real that was ai generated so and an expert's going to come in and say please to the jury please this is clearly a fake video. Watch. And then there will be like an artifact or something in the video. And I'll say, see that blemish? I have been doing this work for 20 years. I am telling you that is not real. They are tricking you. This man is innocent. And jury, there's going to be, it's going to be reasonable doubt. The fact remains that if the technology exists, reasonable doubt exists. And the lawyer is going

to be like, you heard from a forensic specialist. This video was doctored. It is a deep fake video. They're going to have to come in and be like, where was the video file generated? And they're going to have to bring in the computer. They're going to have to show deep forensics. So expensive. And then even then, you can still have a forensic expert say, I know they're showing you this stuff, but they are wrong.

And then it's a reasonable doubt. You could have a network of cameras that are all taking an image of something that upon review, you'd see the angles of all the cameras, where they're located, where the action is happening. The guy's body as he's punching the woman on the ground or whatever, because police body cams are going to be like, nope, deep fake, can't use it. Home security cameras, nope, deep fake, can't use it. Home security cameras, nope, deep fake, can't use it. But if you have eight security cameras all trying or all angulating at one thing, and you can verify that each one verifies all the other ones, you would have to either argue the entire network has been deep

faked, or you have to accept that it's admissible. You can easily deep fake eight camera angles. If they were off network, if they were unrelated cameras that weren't on a similar network, you'd have to prove each of them was fake when we play video games we have created a 3d environment of the character walking around you can set vantage points in 50 different locations and then you can

in in skater xl you can do a kickflip stop, and then spin the camera all around him. If I wanted to, I can play it front to back 50 times from 50 different angles and be like, look, I have 50 different cameras showing all the same thing. It's a real video. So should we take steps to restrict AI? I mean, should we take steps to... You can't. It's like trying to ban guns. Three-printer guns exist.

Nothing you can do about it. Apparently, Facebook and Google have been intentionally holding back a lot of the text-to-video prompts technology because of how disruptive it is. Have you seen the text-to-video AI being advertised? A little bit. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. You type in video walking down a dark path through a forest at night, and it makes a video. It doesn't do people as well.

Well, that we've seen. It's very – Give it three years. It'll do a full feature film in perfect quality based on your prompt. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, what's the benefit for it? Because to me, this sounds horrible and like it's going to make everyone's lives worse. But if you like this kind of technology, what's the benefit for it? Because to me, this sounds horrible and like it's going to make everyone's lives worse.

But if you like this kind of technology, what's your argument for it? I mean, as an artistic tool, it's like undeniably powerful. Why? Because you're not creating anything yourself. It's creating it for you. That seems like it would take away the artistry. It does somewhat. I mean, there's a whole AI debate.

I think that there's absolutely value to fully human produced media and that is always going to have a market that's probably always going to be the most valuable but in terms of like what people watch or like what is most stimulating and interesting we don't we don't know i mean there's because it it's not purely computer generated. I mean, what is powering the AI? Human media. So it's more so it is a tool. But, you know, some people think that it's disempowering creators. And it will do that, but it will also empower creators.

So it's very nuanced. It's not one way. What do you see it? What do you see the benefits of this kind of AI? I mean, it's kind of like asking what is the benefit of a search engine? I mean, you know, we know the benefit of a search engine. It changed the world. We can look up whatever we want to at any moment. And that's kind of what it is enabling.

You know, we're seeing with chat GPT and and others, but that's heavily censored and ideological. And so what would be the benefit of like deep faking someone's voice like what what does that technology allow us to do because to me it only seems like it can be used for malicious purposes no i mean well i mean for comedy for art like there's definitely use what's his name uh kyle dunagan he does he does the funniest it's like it's very bad quality deepfake stuff of Joe Biden

of yeah not of Joe Biden of Joe Biden but many everybody yeah he rips on and it's like it's so funny

and it's but I think part of why it's funny is because the deepfakes are bad so so them getting better would actually make that

I don't know I can't say you can't I mean do you see the one I tweeted the me with Crowder and Ben Shapiro

deep fake it's intentionally bad and weird and creepy but it's really funny yeah yeah I mean but that's like so because it's funny

we should allow it well this one is you can't not allow it there's no way there's no way to stop it it's not it's like people say oh you know

it's too dangerous we should cens stop it. It's like people say, oh, you know, it's too dangerous to censor it. You cannot. It's not. I get that. And then enforcement of it becomes impossible. So how do you handle it then is my question. Like what do you do now that you've opened this box and you are saying it's funny. I mean, I think that people need to be compensated for it.

Because what you have now are these sort of megalithic centralized companies. And now Microsoft just invested $10 billion in open AI and GPT is getting implemented into Bing. Google is rolling out BARD, which is kind of based on Lambda, which is their competitor to that. But both of those systems are completely corrupt and so you know you even saw elon tweet the other day we need truth gpt which is like the uncensored version which is going to be probably based on something like lion which is run by stability who runs stable diffusion and stable diffusion is like sort of the open source alternative to dali which is open ais you know text to image but but any case, like,

we need the full, like, we just need the fully open version that has to exist. If that doesn't exist, then, you know, people are going to be disempowered. But we also need to get Google and open AI. Realistically, I think they should be rev sharing with everybody whose data they're using. And that's so at least there is some benefit to the creators who they're exploiting. I don't know. I don't see what other option there is. We're going to go to Super Chats. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com.

We're going to have that members-only, uncensored show coming up at about 11. Actually, we're going to do it live, right? Yeah, the plan is to do it live on the website uh specifically but we'll see how that goes we are going to try to do the member segment as a live stream which means as soon as we wrap up tonight around 10 we're going to then go to the website load up a live stream and uh i guess you guys have tested it out it works already or what uh. Is there a chat in it and everything? Yeah, according to what we know, there's a chat. From what I understand, what I've seen on Rumble,

there's a chat just like YouTube. I don't know if there's members only. I think that's the only thing we have to figure out, but there is a chat. Yeah, so it should function the same way, I imagine, where we embed the video. It can only be viewed on timcast.com if you're logged in. Correct, yeah.

So go to timcast.com, click Join Us, become a member, and then this is going to be our trial run for doing the members-only portion as a members-only livestream through Rumble, which should be really fun. This means that we are going to be – we normally do the uncensored show, but it means we'll be able to interact with you guys who are members in real time, and you can – we can – you know, uncensored, not so family friendly. So I think the real-time commentary, one of the things that I think makes this show work is that we've got your comments and super chats in real time.

And then we can answer them. Doing that in the members only, I think, will make it really, really cool. So we're going to try that. We're going to try that out. So become a member at TimCast.com. Smash the like button. Let's read. I'm not your buddy guy says says so this is how it ends with delusional people patting themselves on the

back for being virtuous in their signaling wokeness is the devil well you know it's the wedding i can't stand i guess if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen i i like that movie the book of eli you guys ever watch that movie you've never no i've seen it you've seen it yeah how have you not seen it have i not seen it i've never seen anything you gotta see it okay i'm not it's basically the world it's post-apocalyptic and uh there's a bad guy and he desperately wants the bible and he he basically says that it's a book that gives you the power to control people that's interesting and it's really great i mean it's not like the gives you the power to control people. That's interesting. And it's really great. I mean,

it's not like the best movie in the world or anything, but it's... But the concept is really interesting. Yeah, it's good. And I think, was it Denzel?

Yeah. I don't want to spoil the movie, but the ending is just, it's pretty awesome. So you guys should definitely see it. But it's, I dig it.

I dig it. All right, let's see. Grafty says, any chickens seem the monologue yet? Buck, buck, buck. Seen the monologue? Not sure.

I don't know, but we really got to do that Cast Castle Yellowstone parody where we're chicken ranchers and they're trying to come and take our land, you know? Baby Leg Bennett says, yo, saw your episode earlier.

If you're looking for a new place to set up a shop, Western Kansas is it. No nuke targets here and land is fairly cheap. Please come to Kansas. Yeah, you know, when we were place to set up a shop, Western Kansas is it. No nuke targets here and land is fairly cheap. Please come to Kansas. Yeah, you know, when we were looking to set this place up, we actually looked at Montana.

I would love to live there. And this is well before watching Yellowstone, of course. But the show is correct. It is a playground for rich people. And so it's like, Wyoming is probably better. But it still has infrastructure challenges. Yeah. I mean challenges just like I mean I drove through Wyoming

no cell phones no I saw Jackson in The Last of Us that town that they oh yeah that's Jackson in Wyoming oh really

yeah it's the actual city I think so yeah Wyoming's cool I went there I have a story about how we couldn't find gas and we were driving

for like 200 miles we're like we're gonna run out of gas and then all of a sudden my friend was like there look and there was like a shack on the side of the road.

And there was what looked like weird rectangles. We're like, those are gas pumps? Oh, man. We pulled over. And it was like this little dude with his dog in a shack. And he sold, it was like a grocery store. And then I was like, wow. There was no signs.

If we didn't get gas there, we were going to break down. It was crazy. We drove a long time with no. And then the best part was when the road was completely covered in ice, and there's no one around for hundreds of miles, and I'm driving a Honda Civic Hybrid on just sheets of ice, and I'm like, the car's sliding a little bit, and I'm like, oh, well, we're going to crash, and then no one will find us for weeks. That was totally fun.

All right. Waffle Sensei says, Tim says, Raymond and Hydro are going to be on his Friday show. Bro, Raymond and Hydro are going to be co-hosts on my show, dog. Stop trying to steal my top talent, man. Oh, yeah, and Waffles. We should get Waffles, Raymond, and Hydro all to come on the new Friday morning show. That would be wild.

Yeah. Think about all of you guys at the same time. That would be insane. Adrienne Curry says, Montana doesn't want these people. Well, according to the show Yellowstone, that is says montana doesn't want these people well according to the show yellowstone that is correct they don't want these people yeah i i dude he's he john dunn's trump yeah like it's amazing he gets in and he's and he's like i want to cancel the

lease on the airport and his son's like you can't they'll see you don't care just do it and then he just does it and they're like you can't he's like i will i'm telling you the the i am the wall that progress like pounds against is the're like, you can't. He's like, I will. I'm telling you, the I am the wall that progress like pounds against is the best speech. If you haven't seen Nelson, you should find a way

to watch that speech. He's like, they want to come here and turn our land into cities and malls. They call that progress. It's like, well,

I am the wall that progress slams against. Yeah, it's great. I mean, and then he's like, we're going to raise taxes on people who are,

have vacation homes here. Like he is protected. Double the taxes on non-residents. He is, and then he's like, we're going to raise taxes on people who have vacation homes here. Like he is protected. Double the taxes on non-residents. He is protective of the people of Montana, not the people who vacation in Montana. He's like Trump. Exactly. That's a great sentiment.

Yep. Maybe like Bennett says, I say you start a charity membership, 10 bucks a month, and we vote as a group monthly on who to donate to. And I motion for the first donation to go to East Palestine

since the feds won't help you know that's a really good idea what if we set up a non-profit that did a like vote-based foundation thing so it's like everybody gets to send in money and then submit where they want the money for this month to go would there that be like a Dow? And then what we do is we go through every submission and we just simple script takes every suggestion and then runs it like a basic vote. So if one person says, I want the money, well, one vote out of 100,000 ain't getting you anything. Sorry, you lost.

Your vote didn't work. But for some reason, 3,796 all said East Palestine. The algorithm just pulls it and gives us a chart of all of the top requests. but for some reason 3,796 all said East Palestine the algorithm just pulls it and gives us a chart of all of the top requests and then we say hey

the number one requested you know charitable donation is to East Palestine so all of the funds that went in today will be donated to the people of the city

that'd be a cool idea yeah but if it was like a thousand ten dollar ones and one guy puts ten thousand in would his vote count as much as the thousand ten dollars one vote so guy puts ten thousand in would his vote count as much as

the thousand ten dollars one vote so then you get people splitting their donations into as many as possible or getting people to donate for them um you watch out for for then we then then we do a ten dollar ten dollar limit every ten dollars is one vote you want it you want to vote a hundred you want to vote ten times and you put it a hundred dollars okay um decentralized autonomous organizations the dao dao those are like can you explain how that would because you know it's pretty You want to vote 10 times and you put in $100? Okay. Decentralized autonomous organizations, the DAO, D-A-O, those are like, can you explain how that would, because you nodded. Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing,

just using smart contracts as what you're saying. But you could do it manually through a nonprofit. Over in the members chat, Noah Sanders says, nonprofit, we'll have that in about three years, just like the fact-checking nonprofit, Tim Cass. Yeah, really. You are correct. It exists, but the problem is, Tim Kass. Yeah, really. You are correct. It exists, but

the problem is, in order to accept donations, you have to register in each state that would accept donations. There's a bunch of stuff we're dealing with, but yo, nonprofits are hard to do. They're hard to do. James O'Keefe, he did the right thing.

He wanted to do right by people, so he made a nonprofit. You see what happens they they they boot him out if he created if if project veritas was founded by james as a sole member llc he would never have to deal with any of this but it would be tax deductible true he'd make more money too all right let's let's see. Max Reddick says, Tim, people like Sam Seder will take that clip of you saying you are tired of nuke threats.

Just do it already, even though you were kidding. You watch, it will happen. I know it will. There are some conservative commentators that intentionally produce content they know the left will make fun of because it gets them in the algorithm

and makes them famous. One of the most beneficial things to any commentator is if everyone's talking about you. So if you can get like Hassan, for instance, to talk about you 10 times, then the left and the right are talking about you. YouTube says, this is something people like.

Show it to everybody. As Jimmy Dore said, a broad appeal, but not the way he intended it. But so, you know, you just got to say something that's easily baitable. Like, I want Vladimir Putin to nuke Ukraine already. Just be done with it.

You know, Ukraine should be nuked. And if you said something like that, you know, they could take that clip out of context and then tell everybody that, you know, Tim Pool called for nuking Ukraineraine and it doesn't matter what the context is like for example if someone were to say something like we must nuke

ukraine russia has to do it vladimir putin is the greatest president of all time everyone agrees and anybody who's lying anybody says otherwise is lying and putin is obligated to nuke that country off the face of the earth if you said something that, they would easily be able to clip that and then accuse you of having said it. How would you react or how will you react when that starts? When they do. When they do. Yeah, will. Like, no, but seriously, serious question.

They do it already. No, I know. But when it becomes like so pervasive, will you just. It is. Yeah, it is. Yo, I did a video where I was like, you can't sexually harass women. Like, if you woke up to a guy and you said this thing, the guy's not going to care. You walk up to him and say this thing, the woman's going to be like, hey, don't do that.

Young Turks took that and then said, Tim Pool wants to sexually harass women. And they removed the context. So I've had people be like, do you hear what Dave Rubin said? And I'm like, oh, what did Dave Rubin say? Oh, he said this thing about that thing. And I'm like, when did he say that? Well, I saw it on Twitter. And I'm like, dude, you could have someone be like, you know, Ian walked in the other

day and he came up to me and he goes, I do not like chocolate ice cream. And then I was like, are you kidding me? You really don't? And he was like, no, I'm just kidding. I was like, ah, you crazy guy. And they'll take that and claim that quote from a joke story is about you and you said it. That's what they do.

It's, it's, it's. So there you go. So you don't, you don't care. You should think it should be able to continue to exist. It's free speech. it's it's it's so there you go so you don't you don't care you should think it should be able to continue to exist and it's free speech it's free speech yeah and these people are just evil what do you do about it right people are it's it's it's brutal man it's one of the most demoralizing things about the internet is that you like you can see every day people like sam cedar the young turks lying about the opinions of people on the show because it gets clicks for them maybe we should build a tool where the person of people on the show because it gets clicks for them. Maybe we should build a tool

where the person at hand in the content can at least tag it or something to indicate that it's out of context or something so that without taking it down, without violating free speech, there's still some sort of indication from the people involved. Who would have to tag?

The creator of the video? Yeah. But I feel like they wouldn't want to, right? No, no, no. No, any, but the person that it's about would be able to,

or maybe anybody could tag it, and that's kind of... Here's what you do. An extension that sources the original material. So if someone has a video and they show a clip of me, the extension sees the video clip

and then says, original source is this video. Not easy to do, but I don't know how you navigate this stuff man to be honest the the young turks basically that's what they do i i don't know if jen basically retired and he's just like tired of actually being involved in politics but this is the route they've gone they've gone the route of just say what the left wants to hear so they'll click on it we can go to bed maybe i i hear you know i feel that i feel that heat man it'd be so much more fun as hell time can go to bed maybe i i hear you know i feel that i feel that heat man it'd be so much more fun as hell time to go live in the van down by the river and then

there's probably people like jancore like after 20 years of doing this i mean the guy they had what did jimmy dora said they had upskirting shots on their website and stuff now they're just saying whatever they think the left wants to hear because it gets them just enough money so that he can he's retired basically. That's how I view it. A lot of these people are like, yo, I'm ready to retire. Can we automate this somehow and just make the money? I'm done.

Right. I mean what's the point of having a nuanced take when if you show an upskirt photo, you make just as much money if not more, right? I mean there's no motivation in that. You have to be ideologically motivated. Posting fake news makes a lot of money for you and the correction makes more the correction won't you know if you if you lie you'll get a thousand dollars and then the correction makes a hundred it's all money anyway they don't give the money back after they correct the record sir loin tip says to correct something that was asked last night calories are absolutely in the food they are the potential energy found within the chemical

bonds within the carbs fats and proteins in the food well there you the potential energy found within the chemical bonds within the carbs, fats, and proteins in the food. Well, there you go. When I was in like 7th or 8th grade, we studied calories by burning peanuts and you time how long you do the math to calculate how many joules of energy. Sorry, science teachers, I'm not doing a great job. But now I think, how could you burn peanuts?

Like, that's crazy that we just burned peanuts because peanut allergies are so prevalent. Jimbo says, I am disgusted by how ignorant and complacent we Americans have become. It's 110% our fault as a populace for everything our government is doing. Not U.S. per se, we know better, but low-info people, it's an enraging black pill. But, as I was saying earlier, that way of life, the ignorance, can't survive in the long run because it's not self-sustainable. So after everything comes crashing down, those who do pay attention, do know and do care and have prepared will take the reins and rebuild.

All right, where are we at? What do we got? Timothy Rhodes says, Tim, what do you think about the idea of a divorce of city-states versus actual states, kind of like the Vatican City? Let SF, Chicago, New York, Portland, Seattle become city states. No resources, sure, but not our problem. Agreed. But why would anyone give up their slaves? If they've got rural farmers paying taxes to their cities, why would they let them go? Wandering Mage says, if we join the war, there will be a draft and Democrats will dodge it and take over while everyone else is at war.

A brutal trench war since drones rendered tanks obsolete. I think draft equals civil war. I was reading about the formation of West Virginia. And you want to know something funny? How West Virginia became a state? One of the reasons is that they held a vote when the young men went to go fight in the Confederate Army. So you have a region of Virginia.

They take all their young men and say, go join and go fight for the Confederates because you're Virginia. It was just it was just Virginia. Then once the pro-Confederate side are fighting, all that's left in the city are the anti-war, unwilling to fight, don't want civil war, and they all vote. Well, of course, then they vote to stay in the union. Isn't it funny how that works?

Shatters the state. It's not completely why it happened, but that's a component. And there was a lawsuit where after the Civil War ended, Virginia said, hey, they voted while the young voting population, half of them were gone. That's not a legitimate vote. And Supreme Court was like, yeah, it is. F you. West Virginia exists.

And that's a good thing because, you know, West Virginia is best Virginia and regular Virginia sucks. And it's like woke garbage. All right. Where are we at? Hops it up says,

20 bucks for a fired up Ian on train tracks. Keep up the good work, Tim Kass. Really do appreciate it. Thank you so much for the support. Amtrue13 says, James O'Keefe for president well okay then for president indeed muhammad says i lost a country once i made america my new home i don't want to go through it again it's genuinely painful yeah i feel you man yep yeah russell brand asked me recently i did i was on the russell brand show and he was like are you planning on escaping or whatever? And I was like, probably not. But if like it really did come down to it, El Salvador all the way.

Like the, you know, shout out to Max and Stacey, Orange Pill podcast, because they hit the nail on the head. They're down there doing a ton of tremendous work. Bitcoin has basically created mass wealth in this country. Crime is dropping. Tourism exploding. Tourism exploding. Standard of living skyrocketing. And it's because they banked people

instantly overnight. All of a sudden, all these poor people had access to digital transactions and they were given currency in Bitcoin to actually spend and the economy just went and all of a sudden

people are trading with each other. It's brilliant stuff. I bet you Naeem Bukele there, I bet he would do the show next time he's over here. Well, so that's the challenge. He's the president and he can't just come up here to,

you know, but we've actually, I'll put it this way. The answer is yes, but the terms are how do we figure out how do we do it? So the interest is there.

I don't want to speak on behalf of the El Salvadorian administration. I'll just say intermediaries we talked to said they absolutely could get us an interview with him. There's interest. You've got to come to El Salvador and set up the show. Go to Bitcoin Beach. Yeah, I know.

Yeah, we've talked about it. And we've got people constantly hitting us up being like, just spend a week in El Salvador. Do the show down here. And, I mean, we could. But the challenge is like our our booking system is real time so we might get hit up by someone who's like hey i can come march at this time and we do and then we have the calendars like speckled with guests and it's like which week do we isolate for el salvador we have to plan it way in advance so maybe uh i don't know june or something yeah

we get the president one day we get max and st Stacey one day. We could probably fly Ben Stewart down. I mean, we could fly a few people down there with us for the week. I mean, honestly. And they could be on the show. It sounds like a better idea for the new show that I'm doing where we don't have to worry about topical news segments and conversations. A lot of people seem to think this show is, for some reason, like Joe Rogan. And I'm like, it's not. People say, why doesn't the guest talk more

and I'm like because it's five people in a room talking about current news and that's 20% of the conversation will come from the guest if that

so but we're all pale as hell so we need El Salvador but the Friday show it's gonna be once a week two hours long

probably and the idea there is one-on-one hangout conversations you know that'll that so that means the tim the timcast news stuff that i do my monologue kind of will be monday through thursday friday is a terrible news day uh friday night's fine because that's where all the news goes to die so like big stories drop friday at 6 p.m so irl is fine friday night you know but a lot of

people are out partying but for the morning it's like do a cultural conversation in depth with an individual on a variety of topics. So we've got some cool stuff. We've got some famous musicians who want to come on. A lot of people that are, you'd be surprised, famous celebrities don't want to do a news show but would talk about this stuff in an interview show. So we found that out. I don't want to say anybody's name

because I don't want to scare them off. We're booking some big names, but they're basically like, oh, I couldn't do IRL because you guys talk about the news, politics, politicians. I can talk to you about my experiences with Wokeness and stuff,

but it doesn't fit this format. And so now we got this new show and they're like, oh yeah, that sounds great. I'll definitely do that. When can we come out? So that's exciting. Yep. We'll see how that plays out. Maybe it'll do do so well we just do a lot more of it hillbillery

clinton says cutter turkey with my pipeline is what i'm going to do next thanksgiving hopefully my girl will be thankful ha ha good one uh-oh someone's mad ready to rumble says ian is an absolute midwit several years of telling this guy things Trump has done and he can't remember a thing. Complete waste of time talking to him. Dude, I'm not going to waste time drugging up what all he lied about. Go do it on your own.

But you're saying he lied about things like everybody loves me and it's like, oh, okay, Trump. Like that's not impacting anybody. It's just him being... It's a lie. All right, next episode, Ian will have a list of top five Trump lies.

I'd be happy to. You want to do it now? Take up 20 minutes? I mean, what do you guys want to do? Read Super Chats. All right. Where we at? Jimbo says, orange man rad.

That's right. Orange man is rad. I think Trump was way better in 2016. He was hilarious. But, you know, I think what you got to understand that they they strapped weights to his ankles as soon as he got elected. Like we have not actually seen a Trump presidency. They'll argue that was a good thing. They saved this country.

Yeah, right. We got we got as good as we got with Trump and you guys holding him back. Biden's provably made everything worse and you're giving him free reign. All right. Michael McCord says Trump is a member of the mercantile class desantis is a member of the ruling class trump wrong schools wrong family made money in business not a lawyer desantis right schools military service lawyer ruling class didn't trump go to upenn i don't know he went to university of pennsylvania yeah i just i know that uh

ron desantis is he's done a lot of good things I'm not going to be like oh no he's got bad backers look at all these good things well he's done good things I can accept that I'd vote for him I had to but I think it's a no brainer that Trump DeSantis is the ticket I think anybody who's being honest is going to be like okay but does DeSantis really

want to be a VP I think that's what he is I don't think it would be a bad thing for him to be a VP? I think that's what he is. I don't think it would be a bad thing for him to be a VP. But I think there are enough people who don't want Trump to run that. And I don't know DeSantis at all, but it could be easy to be talked into like, no, you don't want to be VP because then you're always second fiddle to Trump and this, that and the other. Like he could, I don't know, but I suspect he could be talked into seeing it as a negative when it really wouldn't be. I don't, I look at DeSantis and I think on the scale of presidential,

presidentiality with one being the lowest and 10 being the best, or let's say one being the best and 10 being the lowest. I don't know, whatever. Ron DeSantis is a 10. It's like, he's the bottom of presidentiality. Could he be president? He could, but he's not that presidential. Donald Trump is presidential for weird reasons. I don't know. He's a tall, boastful, loud, commanding guy.

But in the VP list, Kamala Harris doesn't even chart at all. I don't even know how she got there. Ron DeSantis is number one. He's actually slightly above the best possible choice for a VP, in my opinion, because he's almost on like presidential level. Joe Biden is not presidential at all. He's barely VP. How he got there, man, is beyond me. But that's why I'm like a Trump-DeSantis ticket, Tulsi Gabbard National Security Advisor.

And I do think picking DeSantis is an investment in the future of whatever movement Trump has created, right? I mean, if he wins 2024, he can't run again so someone's gonna have to take his place hill billory clinton says hear me out pool crowder 2024 and their slogan can be if you crowd the pool we'll kick you out that will never happen that's funny certainly not i i i couldn't imagine why someone would not be in politics you know i think i gotta be honest i think most people get in politics because they're mediocre people and that's their path towards the limelight. Hardworking people who want to build something, they'll do it the hard way and they'll get to a position of freedom, success, liberty, etc.

And then you have people, not every single one. I'm not trying to insult everyone. I think there's a handful of really good politicians who really do want to do good and this is their vehicle. But a lot of them are just like i'm not worth anything my business isn't that big i'm not famous i'll run for office yeah you know what was that uh it's just hard to imagine all of the restrictions right like think of matt gates being here didn't he say like oh i i don't know if i can drink that expensive whiskey like there are rules to you he said no i said okay you can't have any right and like there are all kinds of rules to like what you can do how you can spend your money where you can go your time has to be

accounted for you have to be in your district certain amount of time like i think that there are a lot of people who are great and have a lot of positive effect who don't necessarily want to give up the things that people who become the president have to give up all right big josephs i want to see a congressional congregational cage match it would accomplish just as much as they do now at least it'd be entertaining yeah yeah rundell schmidt says tim i think you should do some kind of fundraiser for all the people affected from the train derailment i think you could really raise a lot to help um what we would need to do is find a charity or non-profit that

does that and then we could do a show where we're like, let's see how much money we can raise for them. We don't have the legal capacity to accept money for anybody like that. So we couldn't do it. I also want to just as an aside mention there are now Bocas emojis and golden rooster emojis

available to members in the chat on YouTube. So if you want to, people are posting, I see people posting little Bocas faces. Bocas faces. Maybe we need to make

a Bocas wearing a beanie. Yeah, that'd be good. C. Albright says, I'm a shift manager at a burger joint from Cali. I am looking to move. If you're still looking for help at your coffee shop,

I'd love to apply. It is under construction, I guess. contractors contractors have come in they've mapped everything out they're planning everything out then we're going to have a second floor skate shop hangout games and stuff and then like private club third floor or something like that i don't know it's coming along oh everybody's spamming golden roosters and Bocas emojis now. Bocas emojis. Bocas is a cat. Alright, where are we at? Alan Schroer,

if DeSantis is COO, then the proper role for him is chief of staff. VP is neutered. No more Scott for VP. Tulsi as secretary of defense. Agreed. There we go. Agreed. It's just unusual to have a chief of staff then transition to, you know, running for

president. I don't know of anyone who's, you know, successfully launched that kind of campaign, and he's already governor, so that doesn't seem like it. VP may be neutered in some capacity, but they could do it right. And it would give him a chance, like people say, one of the weakest things for DeSantis is his foreign policy experience. Like, in the

VP, you would probably have more chance to interact with federal foreign policy i don't know it's just a thought yeah all right where were we jake says trump went to new york military academy where he did very well i'm sure he's walked more than most with the ceo screaming and marching right behind him too fair point and that's why i said i don't want to single out trump because you know on the golf course obviously he's walking too outside of military school but there are people who are born to wealthy families who probably have not walked a mile isn't that crazy to think they go out of their house and probably the only time they walk a mile is when they're on the golf course there's a car waiting for him it drives for leisure and not for perp like for fun i don't want to be hyperbolic about trump either i did find one of his lies and they

seem to like come out of the woodwork ah that he likes wiki leaks i think in 2016 he said quote wiki leaks i love wiki leaks and then in 2019 i know nothing about wiki leaks so how does that contradict so he says he knew nothing about it but that was a lie because he used to love them now he pretends like he doesn't know anything about it why he lets his attorney general just spearhead assange and take him into prison so see this is what the media did all the time i can certainly understand where you're like i see what trump is doing i'm not going to give benefit out on this one but it's like someone going like i absolutely love lindor truffles delicious chocolate and then someone says what's in it and you go i don't know anything about it

and then they go how you lied yeah but three it's like saying i love the infinity gauntlet it's my favorite comic book and three years later he said i love it what about the infinity i don't know anything about the infinity gauntlet see this is what the media does trump said i love wiki leaks he loved them when they were when they were exposing hillary clinton's emails and then when asked more specific questions about what he was doing i don't i don't know yeah well three years later when he was asked about it when he was so this is what the media does. Did Trump lie in that regard? What you're saying is quite literally not a lie.

He obviously knew about WikiLeaks when he said, I know nothing about WikiLeaks. He knew about them. He knew who Assange was. How do you know that? Because in 2016, he was praising Assange in WikiLeaks. This is what the media does.

You are taking something Trump said that was vague and nondescript, applying your personal worldview to his statement and then being upset are you you're saying it's another instance of hyperbole is that what you're saying what i'm saying is i can go i love infinity gauntlet and then you go what did thanos say to to death i'm like i don't know no it'd be like you're saying i love it then like a couple days later i go oh yeah tim loves infinity gauntlet you'd be like i don't know anything about infinity

gauntlet i'd be like what you just said you loved it and i do but i'm not saying you don't know anything about it because it's true You'd be like, I don't know anything about Infinity Gauntlet. I'd be like, what? You just said you loved it. And I do. But I've not read it. Why would you say you don't know anything about it? Because it's true. How can you love something you don't know anything about? See, that's what you don't understand. You are ascribing your worldview to a statement I said because you didn't ask me the context. Donald Trump could be saying, I love WikiLeaks because someone said, you see, they released something about Hillary Clinton.

Oh, I love it. It's fantastic. Then later, someone says, but Julian Assange did these things with Afghanistan and the war logs. And Trump goes, well, I don't know anything about it. OK, if your stance is that he didn't lie about not knowing about it, then OK, you don't think this is what the media does. Trump, Trump, they will assign context to his statements. You can say Trump was trying to backpedal because I'm like, sure, I get it. If that's how you view it but if trump comes out and says i love wikileaks and then someone says oh you do who's at second in command he goes

i don't know anything about it that's not a lie well what was the context of him saying i don't know anything about it was it trying like that matters because if he's trying to get out of having ever said that he supported it in a way so that he can, because what was manipulative was that he made everyone think that he was going to potentially pardon Assange. But then I don't think so. Yeah. He was like 30,

let's find 30,000 more of her emails. The ones that disappeared. That's what he said in 2016, 2018, 2019. The context is he said, I know nothing after Assange was arrested. He said,

I know nothing about Wiggly. It's not my thing. And I know there's something having to do with Julia Assange. I've been seeing what's happening with Assange. And that will be a determination, I would imagine, mostly by the attorney general who's doing an excellent job. Like, what, he just sold the guy out. So objectivity is Donald Trump says he loves WikiLeaks. Okay.

He did not say, I know everything about WikiLeaks. I know all about Julian Assange. I'm going to pardon the man because I love him so much. And then later they said, hey, you're still going to do that? I don't know anything about it. Don't look at me. That's not what happened. Someone said, wow, a bunch of emails got released.

You see on Tucker Carlson? And then he goes, I love this. I love the WikiLeaks. What, you know, these documents getting released. Then later on they go, Julian Assange is accused of rape. And he goes, well, I don't know anything about it. Yeah, they're separate statements, but it's similar to kind of the criticism that he said he was going to drain the swamp and then what actually

got drained. I mean, he could have, Trump has the ability to declassify as much material as he wanted. He could have gone on an absolute rampage exposing everything. You saw how that went? The FBI raids his house. He has plenty of declassification powers and the federal government still comes

after him. Look, Trump lies about stupid things. No question about it. But what I can't stand is if Trump gives me a vague, nondescript statement, I will not apply context to it that does not exist. So that is not a good example of Trump lying. I mean, you said it on the campaign trail that he loves WikiLeaks. And then after Assange got arrested, he said he doesn't know anything about WikiLeaks. How is that not a lie? It's a weird linguistic kind of context.

Ian, you hate Trump? That's what lying is. It's a weird linguistic trick. No, it isn't. Lying would be him saying, I know everything about Julian Assange and I love the man. Then someone goes, a year later, so do you still love Julian Assange? I don't know who that is. Yes, that would also be a lie.

But Trump didn't do that. Well, it's a different lie. I mean, he didn't say elephants are yellow and purple either. When Trump said last night in Sweden, you see what happened? And the media said, Trump's insane. Nothing happened in Sweden. Because what Trump meant was last night on Tucker Carlson, they talked about Sweden. Did you see what happened?

The media assigned fake context to what he was saying to accuse him of lying. They do it all the time. It's annoying because I'm trying to understand the truth. What are Trump's motivations? What is he really getting at? And the reality is this. WikiLeaks releases emails. Trump doesn't know anything about it.

Someone asks him and he goes, oh, I love the WikiLeaks. I love this. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Then he's a liar. No, he's not. He saw something in the news and he said, I love this. But he didn't. But because he didn't know what it was is what you're saying. See, that's Trump derangement syndrome. No, I'm not deranged. something in the news and he said, I love this. But he didn't. Because he didn't know what it was, is what you're saying.

See, that's Trump derangement syndrome. No, I'm not deranged. I know a liar when I see one. Dude, you got TDS bad. I mean, if you want to slob the knob, bro, go. I don't know what to tell you. That's another good example of it. What are you saying?

You're saying his lie is not a lie. I don't know what to say. There are better examples, I'm sure. The fact that you can't explain why trump said he loved wikileaks he loved wikileaks because it was exposing hillary and he loved the idea maybe he loved the idea he was talking about on the campaign trail he even encouraged the russians to fight quote find the 30 000 emails from clinton's server that has nothing to do with wiki that's why he loved it it's because it was exposing those emails

so let me explain to to those that are listening. I'm trying to understand the truth. You are obfuscating it. You are making it difficult to understand. This is one instance of many where maybe he was just saying something he didn't mean when he said he loved something that maybe he didn't know anything about. You can love something you don't know much about. That is not true. That is not love.

See, you are intentionally making things confusing. I don't know a whole lot about football at all. I love the Super Bowl. We had a Super Bowl party. It was so much fun. I tell people, oh, I love Super Bowl parties. Then later people go, oh yeah? You're a big fan of the Chiefs? I don't know anything about them. You said you love the Super Bowl, dude! Were you lying? No! I love the Super

Bowl. Friends come over. The game's on. I don't really know what's going on, but I love hanging out with my friends. You love the gatherings, but the game itself is not in your... Right. You don't love the... But going on, but I love hanging out with my friends. You love the gatherings, but the game itself is not in your... Right. You don't love... But I say I love the Super Bowl. You'd be considered a fair weather fan if you said that to real football fans.

You see how you're trying to make it confusing to understand reality here. We had a Super Bowl party. I love Super Bowl parties. That's different than loving the Super Bowl. We got a gallon and a half of crab dip. We had a gallon and a half of crab dip. Great. We played poker.

The game was on. People were cheering. They did squares and and a half grab. Great. We played poker. The game was on. People were cheering. They did squares and all that stuff. And I know nothing about football. So if someone came and asked me, oh, you're having a Super Bowl party. You love the Super Bowl. I love it. So much fun. The game's on. People are cheering. I know a little bit about it. And then a year later, they're like, you love football, right? And I'll be like, I don't know anything really about it. You came out and you said you love football. i was talking about the super bowl we did this one thing this one time donald trump sees a story about emails getting released and he goes i love this this wiki leaks thing later on someone asks him a specific question about something related wiki leaks

i don't know anything about it wouldn't be like you saying you love the super bowl and saying you don't know about football it would be saying you love this super bowl and then i go well yeah you love the super bowl no i don't know anything about that. The statements can coexist, but it's a good debate. How can you love something you know nothing about, Bill? What's in chocolate? Do you like chocolate, Ian? Yeah.

What are the ingredients of like a Lindor truffle? I don't know. How could you love it if you don't even know what you're eating? You asked me if I like chocolate. It's cacao.

What's a Lindor truffle? It's not, there's chocolate in a Lindor truffle, maybe. You can like something without knowing what goes on inside. If you ask me

if I like the Lindor truffle, maybe I could use it. what goes on if you ask me if i like the lindor truffle they're totally different statements i think trump's saying i don't know about wikileaks in the second sentence is just as easily interpreted as i don't want to comment on that that's what it was i don't want to talk about it but that's okay right if you were the president of the united states and you're walking by i don't know what the context was let's say he's going to board air force one someone calls out hey do you know what's going on julian assange he's like i don't know but the context was. Let's say he's going to board Air Force One. Someone calls out, hey, do you know what's going on with Julian Assange? He's like, I don't know. But, you know, the Attorney General's on it. Things are good.

I don't think that negates the fact that he was happy with the work they were doing in a different context, right? He's not saying, I've never heard of Julian Assange and I hate everything about WikiLeaks. Like, he's not reversing. Well, he might as well have reversed. Because he didn't do anything. That's different, though. His inaction is him denouncing James O'Keefe. I love James O'Keefe.

You love James... Oh, hold on. You love James O'Keefe? Yeah, I like him. So, you like what he did to that employee, Janet? I don't know Janet. Whoa! What are you talking about?

You lied then. You don't love James O'Keefe. In three years, if you ask me if I said that I like James O'Keefe, I wouldn't tell you I don't know anything about him. But if I said, hey, do you like what's going on with project veritas you might say i don't know what's going on with project i don't know anything about it i don't know anything about it right like you're talking about james or what i mean but that's what i mean like so you're lying i say i like project veritas and then three years later you asked me about it and i say i don't know

anything about project veritas that would be a lie because i already am on camera telling you I like it. But you're saying that you... Okay, okay, hold on, hold on. Everybody in the chat, and I think the three of us all agree, Ian, I think you have Trump derangement. People in the chat, what? I don't think he has Trump derangement. I don't think he has Trump derangement. I think that this is an understandable argument.

I disagree. I've been consistently in the position of Trump does bad things and Trump lies, but I'm sick of the media lying about what he says or does in an attempt to make people hate him. And so I just feel like, Ian, you've found one weird example you're trying to justify that Trump is a liar because you didn't find anything else.

Just the first one that came up on CNN. Sure, and it's not really a lie. It's a bad example. Well, he could have said, I don't want to talk about it, and that would have been him owning it. Instead, he acted like he can't even talk about it because he doesn't know anything about it. That's total. Trump derangement syndrome means that there is no way, no universe in which you would ever change your mind.

And I know for a fact that, Ian, there is a world in which he would. I would totally agree. Trump derangement syndrome is, this is the perfect example of it. There's a viral comedic video that came out during the Trump administration where a guy said, stop making me defend Trump. And it's this video where it's like they're playing,

someone's watching TV and they're like, can you believe that Trump called all Mexicans rapist animals? And the guy goes, he looks and he goes, he turns around, he sees him. He goes, Trump never said that. And they go, why are you defending Trump? Are you a Trump supporter? And he goes, no, but Trump never said that. And they're like, you're a white supremacist. You support Trump. And he's like, what are you talking? That never happened. Joe Biden launched his campaign on claiming Trump praised white nationalists. It literally never happened. Trump speaks in vague terms often because he doesn't know what he's talking about. He hears a crowd cheering for something and he goes, I love it. I love it. And he's being vague

and speaking in general terms. Then you can ask him something very specific later on about what you're talking about. And maybe he also just doesn't remember. Here's what? 16 seconds. WikiLeaks. I love WikiLeaks in 2016. And what does that mean?

For him, it could mean whatever. It could mean he doesn't even know what they are, but he says he loves it. I don't know. It's like someone bringing you a Papa John's pizza. You eat it and everyone starts saying, did you like that pizza? You're like, I love Papa John's. It's so good. And then three years later, someone's like, did you hear about Papa John's and what you eat it, and everyone starts saying, did you like that pizza? You're like, I love Papa John's, it's so good. And then three years later, someone's like, did you hear about Papa John's and what happened with the racist thing?

And you go, I don't know anything about Papa John's. And you're like, he lied. Like, dude, they're totally different contexts. So anyway. Someone should super chat the best, the top Trump lie, undeniable. Let's try and do the members only live. So go to timcast.com, become a member, we're gonna try and do the members only live. So go to timcast.com, become a member.

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