Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #723 WV Investigates WHITE DUST Sparks Fear Of Ohio Chemical SPREAD w/ Chris Miller

Episode Date: February 25, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, Elad, & Kellen join Chris Miller to discuss the possible spread of the Ohio chemical disaster, Chris Miller explaining what we need to do to avoid WW3, and how the US might have provoked Russia into attacking Ukraine. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is viral video showing white dust, some kind of strange substance falling onto cars, and news reports that in eastern West Virginia, I love saying that, and Maryland, people are reporting a strange substance blanketing their vehicles and their homes and outside. Now, of course, everybody's very concerned. We're downwind from the East Palestine derailment. It may be a little late for this to actually be hitting us now. So it could be a dust storm. But West Virginia announced they don't know the source of the substance. They're going to be testing it. Hopefully it's just dust being blown from the Midwest or from Texas. But needless to

say, there is an investigation. People are concerned. And this is exactly what we had been talking about a week or two ago. And now, sure enough, what a coincidence, something is happening. I got to say, the idea that it's a dust storm would be the perfect coincidence considering we were just talking about, one, vehicles that were being covered in a white substance or residue near East Palestine. Now we're seeing that white substance residue or a similar one in this area downwind from the disaster. And then they're like, oh, but there's also a dust storm. And I'm like, well, that's the perfect time for a dust storm to happen when we're concerned about exactly this.

So we'll talk about that. Plus, we got a crazy story. Project Veritas seen another, I think, top level resignation from one of their staff members. And they've put out a video begging people, please, we need your support. And they want James O'Keefe back. And then we'll talk about some culture stuff because we got a funny story. Was it Angela Davis? That's her name, right?

The Black Panther? Yes. She found out she's a descendant of the Mayflower. Yes. So this is, you know, this is a black critical race theory kind of activist who's discovering she in fact is descended from colonizers. But the story there is actually a bit nuanced and a lot of people are laughing, but we'll get into all that.

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and so much more is former acting Secretary of Defense Chris C. Miller. Tim, I can't believe I finally arrived on your show. I had to write a book to get on your show. It's a prerequisite, yes, right? And so thanks for having me. It's love the vibe, love the team, really looking forward to being part of this kind of interesting, engaging discussion. It was already getting kind of crazy talking about all the stuff that's going on in the administration. But yeah, people don't know this.

He actually showed up at our door, knocked, and said, can I come on? We said, not until you write a book. And so we kicked him out. And then he came back with a book. We said, okay, now you can come on. So thanks for hanging out. It should be fun. We also got Alad Eliyahu hanging out.

Hey, everybody. What's up? I am Alad Eliyahu. I'm a field reporter here at TimCast News. Thanks for having me. And Phil Labonte. Hello, everybody. What's up? I am Alad Eliyahu. I'm a field reporter here at TimCast News. Thanks for having me. And Phil Labonte. Hello, everyone. I am Phil Labonte, the lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.

There you go. Dude, that's a business card, man. That's how I want to be thought of. You don't need a business card because you are a rock star. That's right. That's right. Chris, we talked about your book a little bit before. It's Soldier Secretary is the name of it. And talk about repurposing the war machine.

I've been thinking a lot about it. You mentioned that's kind of what's in the book. Maybe not the entire premise, but really quick, can you elevator pitch the premise of the book? Yeah. Thanks, Ian. Thanks for the setup. That was awesome. Tim, you got the best crew in town.

That's what Ian does. I think Joe Rogan should be threatened. I know you said that there's no competition at all. Yeah, because he's got like 500 times the audience we do. Hey, not tonight. When this gets out. Yeah, so the book is really about a couple things. Only 7% of our nation serves right now, and they're veterans. So 93% of our population doesn't serve, which is a good problem to have. We're not an armed society, right? I love this.

What I found, though, when I was in government, I was an Army Green Beret for years. Then I was in government in the Pentagon. I found there seems to be there's a misunderstanding between those that serve and those they serve on both sides. So I try to like in an engaging kind of fashion, not one of these, you know, those boring D.C. memoirs that are like this big, like doorstops. And you just name check yourself and you're like, I'm not reading this. I wanted to keep this entertaining and engaging. So that's kind of the theme of the book, but it's about accountability because I'm still just angry that we can lose a war and nobody's held accountable. People get promoted and they move up in the ranks or they get these big jobs. So I'm still a little bit

angry about that. And then finally, yeah, I think we're spending way too much money on defense. And I think a lot of that, some of that can be spent much better. Not some of it. A lot of it can be spent much better. Well, let's get into it in the show. Oh, yeah. Sorry, man. I didn't mean to.

I talked too long. You did what I asked. Thank you, Chris. And also, I want to introduce Kellen. Yeah, what's up, everybody? It's Kellen. Serge is doing the Culture War with Tim Pool. He's producing that show on Friday

mornings, so he's not here on Friday nights. I'll be filling in for now. But yeah, go and check out the Culture War. I wanted to make him work 24 hours straight with no sleep, but they told me that was illegal. So I guess Kellen's here. Alright, let's jump into the first story. And we have this tweet from

Roz Alerts. Roz Alerts? What does that mean? I don't know. Either way, breaking multiple reports of an unknown white dust particles falling out of the sky in West Virginia and Maryland. Currently, multiple people across West Virginia into Maryland area are reporting an unknown white dust film descending from the sky.

Some local fire departments are advising people to shut their doors and windows and avoid outdoors until it can be identified well let's play the video there you go look at this it could just be a dust storm that's what some people are saying but uh yeah look at that i don't know about that maybe it is weird so look at that that's creepy isn't so it's a cocaine bear coming out this weekend is this some weird is this some weird that's what people are saying today i thought that was original they blanket the eastern seaboard in white dust to promote their movie probably not a good idea no now ross alert says we think this

is from yesterday's dust storm that was in parts of New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, as weather satellite shows large plumes of dust blowing across the states and making its way to the East Coast. Maybe. But I just want to point out, we have this from the West Virginia, this is the, what is this, DEPWE.gov, the Department of, what is that, Environment or something? Environmental Protection. Coordinating with state and local agencies to investigate dust issue in the eastern panhandle. They received reports late Thursday night about the dust and mobilized inspectors. No shelter-in-place advisories have been issued in the area. They say that we have staff on site who are coordinating with our state and local partners to identify the material or any potential causes.

Samples will be taken. They don't know exactly what it is. So a heck of a convenient time for a dust storm to hit when last week we're like, hey, we're really worried being downwind from East Palestine when they're burning all these chemicals. There's videos coming out of Ohio showing cars blanketed with some kind of white residue. And now we're hearing in the area downwind from East Palestine, cars are being blanketed in white residue. So it's just bad timing?

Is it bad timing? Or what do you guys think? Well, I mentioned, I think a few days ago, about the half-life of some of the chemicals that are involved in the process. Vinyl chloride being one of them, 2.3 day half-life. Doesn't mean that they disappear,

that half of it disappears every 2.3 days. It just turns into something else so it could have turned into there could be other stuff up there i don't like the hypochondriac lifestyle of like please be afraid and avoid what we might be a problem like i there are scales my friend there are scales you can choose to be a paranoid hypochondriac or you can choose to plug your ears and act like nothing's happening exactly trying to find that balance is the difficult thing that's why i say look they think it may be from a dust storm we don't know and it's heck of bad a heck of a bad timing for for a dust storm to happen when we're concerned about these chemicals i would i imagine that it

might have something to do with the weather and the only reason that i feel that way honestly is because yesterday was almost 80 degrees. It was super windy. So the weather's been a little wacky around here. So I think that that might have something to do with it. I really don't think that that's what I would put my mind on. Is that normal? It was 80 yesterday? It was 70.

78 or something. And it's going down to 30 tonight. Yeah, so the weather's been kind of wacky. There was a lot of wind today. So I think that that's probably like i'm not trying to you know be the the wet blanket but i really think that it's most likely something but i don't think i've ever seen a dust storm before i've never been in a dust bowl the first part of the the 20th century there was dust from iowa making its way all the way to dc oh okay no kidding this is this

is heard of this yeah google the dust bowl the historic average for this month in the harper's ferry area is 39 degrees it was so nice and it was double that yeah it was it was double the average so what's the i don't know if they have the record list down here i'm looking at like weather weather.com or something i know it's the boring answer but i i do think that it's because it was the crazy weather the The record is 73. We must have broke that because I think it was 70. Yeah, we definitely did. I think we must have broken the record.

The Dust Bowl is interesting. I'm reading about it now during the 1930s, just a period of severe dust storms. That's how the desert in Maine was formed, similar to why the Dust Bowl was a problem, just over-farming. Yeah, no crop rotation. They weren't maintaining topsoil and stuff like that. So even if it is a dust storm, a dust blowing was a problem, just over-farming. No crop rotation. They weren't maintaining topsoil and stuff like that.

So even if it is a dust storm of dust blowing from the south, it doesn't mean that it can't pick up vinyl chloride residue and particles in the atmosphere on the way. Fair enough. Do you guys hear about there's a bunch of factories on fire or something like that? No, I'm just seeing videos of factories blowing up. I saw someone talking today.

I think it was someone from the Blaze was talking about three fires in oil of the same oil company. And I don't remember the name of the company. I didn't bookmark the tweets. And there's tweets right now. I'm seeing a tweet about uranium fire. No. In Oak Ridge, Tennessee. See, it's hard to know.

You, Ben? Three fires broke out at three different facilities in Mexico. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I typed in Ukrainian fire, Tennessee, and yep. Ukrainian? It's two days ago. Uranium. Uranium.

Uranium, sorry. You got Ukraine on the brain. Everybody does, man. Oh, man. Joe Biden's giving them more priority than us. Yeah, it was Oh, man. Joe Biden's giving them more priority than us. Yeah, just two days ago, there was no injuries or release of radioactivity after uranium fire at Y-12 in Oak Ridge. That's no joke.

You've been there before? Oak Ridge is where the first atomic weapons were built. Got to go there when I was acting Secretary of Defense. It was like bucket list thing. The people down there, the the scientists and the engineers but that's no joke if they had a fire down there wow why haven't why haven't we heard more about that look man i've been i've been uh maybe it's a little too paranoid for ian but if a cyber attack was hitting our infrastructure we and the we in the public would not know about it the government's

not going to come out and be like oh you know that explosion that happened at that oil refinery yeah we were attacked by china they're going to ignore it unless they need to rally support at the time they decide to get involved in the conflict then they'll come out and be like yeah we're being attacked and then it could actually be a a disaster unrelated to war and they'll just say it is war you know i mean if they could keep the cat in the bag you know nowadays with independent media and everything somebody gets a quick little clip on that of that on their iphone shoots it up to twitter shoots it up to tiktok or something it goes viral yeah the people's like access to phones do you think it could break through because that's my thing is like it's so hard and you guys do this every day to break through the kind of the chaos of the media environment. You think you could break through with a video of something from K-12 or Y-12 at Oak Ridge?

So if I was able to post it on TimCast News on Twitter, then definitely. But maybe you could tell us a little bit more about, I don't know, the nation's ability to censor us online. Because if something like that did happen, I'd imagine that they'd try to suspend free speech or try to keep it on wraps, not let reporters report on whatever attack was going on if they were trying to keep it still a secret. I'm with you.

Send it to Timcast. I'm with you. Charlie P says, the ash is happening here in PA. It is not weather. Yeah, they're burning stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if what they're burning is making its way down here.

But anyway, not to derail what we were just talking about. Oh, did you really say derail? It been an ongoing theme did you see that did you see no did you see that clip from where uh pete budaj like had kind of got a brain crap he said uh sorry i didn't mean to derail he said something did you see that one there's a train he used a train analogy oh it was so like you know you know when you're in the zone you you know and i felt bad for the guy but i was like oh doggone that that's not he's so bad at this they're all bad at it's like they shouldn't be in these positions but you know here we are it's like that you have to that meme where it's like

wondering how something got there there's like a car on top of a gate and then there's like a a dog on a roof and then you've got like Kamala Harris at the podium or whatever and then you've got Pete Buttigieg in East Palestine. I don't know. There are ashes here. There are ashes in Pennsylvania. There's even ashes in East Palestine or maybe that's just Pete Buttigieg's presidential ambitions

going up in flames. You guys like that one? I was going to go with Ash Wednesday too but that would be a really bad pun. I think I would say that would be too mean, but Matt Walsh has convinced me otherwise. So, you know. Yeah, you decided you could be mean now. I mean.

Only for goodness. Well, so the issue is, you know, talking about this Matt Walsh thing. I'm not saying to, you know, scream at somebody and insult them. You know, I'm saying be meaner. You can't just be passive and say, slow down there, Democrats. You've got to actually be like, no, stop. And we should shame people doing bad things like degenerate behavior that harms children should be shamed and ostracized and shunned from society. I like the word mean in mathematics.

The mean is the average. So you're really bringing things back to center when you're being mean. And a lot of times that can be like, no, well, reality is this. Phil's face right now is hilarious. He's just like, he has this look like, Ian, you're insane.

In that sense, be mean if you're going to ground people in reality. But if you're attempting to make their life worse with your behavior than that, I think I have no... Ian, you can't go and just say let's change what the word means but nope nope nope nope nope stop stop phil i i i felt the pull you felt right you feel right now but i i gotta go with ian on this one because he's basically giving

a golden ticket for everybody to be mean to bad people. I am mean in life. I will tell you directly to your face what I think. What he's saying is, if there's someone who's a really bad person who's harming kids, and you are mean to them, you're actually pulling them back down to the average by doing so, and I'll take it. Look, woodchipper goes burr when it comes to pedos,

but when it comes to actually changing the meaning of words, there you are with that meaning. Mean, what does that mean i think ian has you have an issue with like making puns out of political arguments i think about like i've always thought about being mean after that being mean isn't being nasty that's why they're different words it's not being cruel because that's why they're different words like mean meanness has a i'm sitting i'm sitting here you know being like all these people are talking to matt walsh saying you shouldn't be mean to people and blah, blah, blah. And Matt to someone, you're just making them average.

And it's like, okay, however you want to... Have you ever justified... Literally causing me physical pain with that. If there's a young boy... However you want to justify calling someone a creepy degenerate, I will accept.

Well, not that. I wouldn't... Yes, be... What Matt Walsh is talking about is be as cruel as you can. He intends to be cruel. I don't think Matt Walsh was saying be as cruel as you can. Like he intends to be cruel. I don't think Matt Walsh was saying be as cruel as possible.

Okay, maybe not as possible. Okay. He was just saying be mean to these people. Like these people, I talked about this with Ali earlier. Talked about it last night. You've got people who are doing bad things that hurt people.

Yes. And they either experience positive reaction or neutral reaction if there is no negative response to their actions they'll just keep doing it because the investment is clearly in one direction yeah it's positive reinforcement kid that wants to eat sugar and you're like no you can't have that now you're being mean why are you being mean i want it you're like you're not gonna have it sorry that's a good example and so that's me being mean but if i'm if i'm actually want to hurt that kid

and make that kid's life worse, that's not the reason to be mean to him. If you want to make that kid's life worse, you give him more sugar. Exactly. Or call him an idiot. You know, I could insult him too. You know, you stupid moron.

I'm not trying to hurt the kid. I'm trying to protect him by being mean. It depends. I think this is another good analogy for what's happening in the culture war, what's happening happening with society is you've got people who are gluttonous on social media in a social sense in that they will do weird things get a positive response and then say i will keep doing this because no one is giving them a negative response you need to tell people who are doing bad things what you're doing is bad and you can do it in a

bunch of different ways you know calling someone creepy and degenerate is not the worst possible thing in the world for a person and it may make them rethink targeting children and causing harm to other people and then sometimes um the ends justify the means and in the case of matt walsh it goes bigger than just that video he released because in tennessee he also held a ban on trans rallies or i'm getting that butchered but butchered but he in tennessee they actually also managed to pass something in their state legislature banning gender transition for people i think um around 14 or 15 you need a fact check me on that but you know he's actually accomplishing things and i think it's like called culture jamming so matt walsh is doing a good job drawing attention to this even if he's being a little bit mean you know he's actually getting

things done in tennessee he's literally the one to talk think about using anger and like just the whole society well i'm thinking about using it and like like jimmy doors like you got to get mad you got to get out on the street and block traffic you need to be the disruption and like feel like in the 70s when they were protesting the Vietnam War, they were angry. They were pissed because their friends were getting drafted and blown apart

and they were like fear of being sucked into this stupid war. So I understand that maybe getting angry, there is some value to it. I just, I see it get out of control really quick a lot of times, especially in conversation. So I don't know.

What do you think, Chris? I mean, you've been doing this a long time. I love the conversation yesterday on that. And I guess I think we do need to get – it's about accountability, I think, in a lot of ways is what you're talking about is by being mean, you're driving accountability into the system, no? Yeah. I mean, call it accountability.

Call it whatever you want that the math is simple if someone goes on instagram and throws a pie at a stranger and instagram gives him money and all the users say hey that was really funny you're amazing he's gonna go wow people really like when i do this they're gonna keep doing it we saw this with prank videos on youtube there were videos that were getting increasingly dangerous and insane. It starts with one guy, I'm gonna do a prank. And he goes, bah, you know,

he like jumps out from behind a building. Whoa. And then they're like, you scared me, you silly goose. And then he gets a million views. Three months later, the dude's wearing a Freddy Krueger mask and drawing a knife and swinging it at people.

I'm exaggerating, but you actually had a trend on YouTube where people would walk into black neighborhoods and throw racial slurs at black people because it got traffic on YouTube. There was no negative reaction to the things they were doing. Finally, YouTube was like, we're going to start banning content that does this and apply a negative pressure. That's, I don't necessarily agree.

I actually kind of agree to a certain extent with this. If people were doing things that were like expressing an opinion or being silenced for it, it's one thing. If you're literally trying to cause fights and that's what they were doing, they would walk up to some minority, say a slur to them and then get beaten up. And they were getting millions of views on this stuff. It's like bum fights. It's like I got my limits on, you know, what should be promoted and, and, and be given a positive response to. What ends up happening is there needs to be, it used to be journalists. They'd be like, hey, this is a bad thing and we're going to show you. And then everyone would, would be like,

shun the bad person, shun them. Now we're in this, this era of total acceptance. So people go on Instagram, people go on Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, and they'll do something genuinely bad and harmful. But now they're getting protected by big tech. They're going on and telling children to harm themselves and they're getting protected. And then Matt Walsh comes out and says, you are eerie. You are creepy. You are, no one will find you attractive. And he didn't say it. He didn't say it screaming. He wasn't spitting. He's very calmly saying, this is the reality. This is the truth.

You need to have that so that the people who are doing the bad thing say, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't do this. And I'll give you an example. He was talking about Dylan Mulvaney. Dylan Mulvaney has videos where he's giving tampons. He's talking about taking tampons and using them and other things like this. Dylan Mulvaney did not care that people on the right were critical of it. It was only when leftists got critical and said, what you are doing is creepy, did Dylan Mulvaney come out and be like, I'm sorry, I was just trying up. The negative reaction

worked in stopping a person from doing a bad thing that hurt people. So you don't need to go and do anything crazy. You just need to say outright like i don't like you i think you're bad i think you're unattractive i think you're an evil person tell them why they're bad don't let them just don't tolerate bad behavior that's hurting people absolutely and i wanted to clarify on the bill in tennessee that matt walsh helped uh drum up support for it says tennessee house republicans on thursday overwhelmingly passed a ban on gender transition health care for minors. The bill prohibits children from receiving puberty blockers, hormone therapies or surgical procedures. People who receive the treatments as minors would also be able to sue parents, guardians and physicians for authorizing the care under a statute of limitations.

Wow. So you think Daily Wire being in Tennessee has anything to do with that? Well, he had Matt Walsh had a rally um that helped jump up a lot of support for this and he lobbied for this as well and definitely i think it has something yeah absolutely i mean what is a woman as a documentary was tremendous it pushed the the story into the mainstream it was all like everybody had talked about it was watching it joe rogan comes out and he's like you see this thing this is crazy a lot of people did not know what they're doing and they're still doing and they're they're expanding on you know one of the weirdest things about protecting like not letting people do harm

to children and they're like you can't put kids on puberty blockers when they're 11 because that's going to hurt them in the long run you can't cut people children's penises off because that's going to hurt them in the long run but then i've heard from other people are like if they don't get the chemical castration they need then you're they're going to kill themselves and you're doing harm to them if they don't get their penis cut off then then you're doing harm to them because they they they don't feel right that's a lie and it's like how is that how did those realities it's not real because there's a lie yeah it's a lie like it's it's a definitely a warped it's a warped way of looking i, it's a warped way of looking. I think it's a warped way

because it didn't use people. I'd never heard people talk like that before. So it seems like it's some sort of. It's like Donald Trump gets on the phone with the president of Ukraine and he's like, what's this video that's going around where Biden's trying to withhold money or something?

Can you look into that? And then the establishment machine comes out and says, Donald Trump engaged in a quid pro quo. And so now he's going to be impeached. And it's like it was it was Joe Biden who did that, not Donald Trump. They project what like they accuse everyone of doing what they are literally doing. That's it.

So when they're when they're targeting children and putting them in situations that could result in death and suicide and self-harm, they accuse everyone else of doing it. But you take a look at what's going on with detransitioners, and there's more and more every single day. I was talking with Ali London about how on Reddit, there's 50,000 members of the detransition subreddit. Horror stories of saying, like, I was tricked into this. I was rushed into this.

I think Chloe Cole is now suing Kaiser Permanente. Yeah. So when these people come out and say, no, we have to. Otherwise, the children will be harmed it's like i'm pretty sure amputating the genitals of a child will not save their life but probably cause them to self-harm in the future that's just common sense chris i know we're seeing a lot of this um transgenderism and lgbtq ideology infiltrate a lot of different parts of our government and society i know you were a former secretary of defense can you tell me and you also served in af Afghanistan. Did you see any of that in the

army? And what are what have been the current policies towards it? Do you think they should be different? Specifically, General Milley? Did you set me up for that? No, no, I didn't. A, you know, I did. I did. Oh, gosh, 30-something years in the military. And this might sound cliche, but it's not. It's true. I never met a single person that joined the military to fight the culture wars, right?

The military is the ultimate meritocracy. Work hard. You'll get promoted. You'll have opportunities. And so people joined to prepare to fight real wars. So I have great hope, and I know you guys get a little down once in a while, like, you know, this is ancient Rome or something. But I'll tell you what, the sergeants, the ones that are responsible for, like,

four soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, Space Force, Guardians, they're focused on making sure their people are ready to go to war. And I went down to a special forces group recently because I thought maybe I'm out of sorts. I'm old now. I've been out of the military for a few years. I went down there just to kind of do a temperature check, check on the sergeants that run the army.

And I'm like, okay, they still got the right focus. The problem, I think, is that they're confused because their leadership is getting involved in the culture wars. And they're like, if I get involved in the culture wars, I get fired. So I think there's a confusion. There's a loss of confidence between those that are down there doing everyday work, leading soldiers, and their bosses who are saying, there's that saying, do as I say, not as I do. That doesn't work in the military. You've got to be coherent across. So I'm worried, yes, but I'm also enormously, enormously confident in our young leaders. These kids are 21, 22 years old,

and they're responsible for four or five other people's lives. They take that pretty seriously. So I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about the fact that, yeah, senior leadership's getting involved in things that they shouldn't get involved in. They need to focus on war fighting and combat effectiveness. I was thinking if something were to happen tragic

and the United States was sucked into a war for real, like the balloon floated over the United States for five days or whatever, that I would hope the military is ready to step in and take control if Biden can't do his job, which he seems like he's not able to do his job. I don't want to not have faith in the guy, but I don't have faith in him.

You don't want the military to take over. I want, if there's a commander that is incapable of commanding he needs to be relieved of duty that's what we have the vice president and the speaker of the house for there is a there is a line of people that assume a line of civilians that assume office if the president can't do his job you do not want the military to assume power if when you can have when we have the the whole constitution has got like all this stuff handled i don't care about the constitution in reality if we were under threat of death i don't want joe biden in control of the military or kamala harris chris so i know that trans soldiers um

they could currently openly serve right now in the Army, and the force will provide hormone therapy and mental health care. Do you think that's within the purview of what should be happening in the Army? Hey, I'm going to – I'll tap dance on that one a little bit. First off, Phil, preach it. It's all about civilian control. Yes. And the last thing we ever want – Thank you.

I think I'm panicking. It's a military officer to think – and that's part about civilian control. Yes. And the last thing we ever want. Thank you. The last thing we ever want is a military officer to think. And that's part of my book. I'm concerned that the military, the senior officers are getting too big-headed about this and thinking, like, yeah, if there's a problem, we'll step in. Because there were rumors about that, remember, with President Trump, that the senior military leadership was like, we think this guy's crazy. The third, on January 6th, the third in line to the office of the president asked the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, hey, can we just have the military room? Can we get crew served machine guns? Nancy Pelosi requested a military coup on January 6th. That actually happened.

She went to Milley and asked him. It blows my mind. She called him and said, can they intervene and stop Trump? Should Trump try to engage in any kind of military activity? He said, ma'am, that would be a coup against a sitting president. She tried. What was that?

Obviously, we need civilian leadership because you don't want a Junta taking control like a military government. But if you have incompetent leadership, obviously we need civilian leadership because you don't want a June to take in control like a military government. But if you have incompetent leadership, do we just wait and hope that the next civilian is going to do it right? Like, do we just sit and wait? What guarantee, what makes you think that just because the person that would assume control from the military is somehow not, is somehow competent? Just because they're in the military? I don't know.

I just know that Joe Biden's not. In my opinion. Fair, but that doesn't mean you throw the Constitution away or just go ahead and throw all the laws away. Well, Joe Biden, he's got tapioca for brains, so we got to go ahead and get a general to run the show? Uh-uh. That is a terrible, terrible idea.

I feel what you're saying concerned about joe biden i get it because i feel it too joe biden i i genuinely believe he's got cognitive problems but but just because of that is not or that is not a justification to have him removed from office with guns like that is that is third world country that is banana republic stuff that is like going to war kind of stuff you that is not what we need it is like going to work kind of stuff like i'm saying if we are declared war upon and we have now we're in it there are chinese troops in alaska moving down like do we just wait for biden to wake up do we wait for kamala harris to take control like what do we do let's ask the expert who is currently sitting across from from

us what do you do in the event uh let's say the expert who is currently sitting across from us. What do you do in the event, let's say the U.S. gets invaded. Let's wheel things back. Chinese spy balloon comes over the U.S., potentially tracking data on our nuclear sites, potentially tracking data on the sensors that it's picking up

what's coming at it. So the things that we're using to detect it, it is actually detecting. Let's say that's a precursor to a move on Taiwan. Let's say before the move on Taiwan, we've already seen China go into territorial waters around Alaska and Hawaii. Let's say they start positioning the military, strike on Taiwan, and then instantly we get a battalion of Chinese troops pair dropping or crashing on the shores of Alaska or something. Do we just sit here and go, Biden's got it handled?

I'm flashing back to Red Dawn. Come on. It's been remade, right? I didn't see the second one. In the event a true conflict reaches the shores of the United States, do we just sit back and say Biden is our president and we're going to, he's got it? I still have faith the system will work in regards to, like, that's not something you can ignore, right? So, and this is kind of comes back a little bit, like, so you've got Secretary Austin, he's Secretary of Defense. You have Mark Milley,

you can say what you want. General Milley is the chairman of the Joint the Secretary of Defense. You have Mark Milley, you can say what you want. General Milley is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They will go to the President and say, this is what has to be done. Now, the question is, what's their guidance going to be? But at the end of the day, that's like an act of war. So we're going to go to war over that. Now, let's talk about that spy balloon. Was that an act of war that it violated our airspace? Well let it right we go on all day about that uh so the go

ahead i think the issue is millie and whoever else they're going to go to biden to go mr president we have currently an incursion into u.s soil in alaska by a chinese unit we need to act now and biden's going to be like so deploy the troops to to liby. And Biden's going to be like, so deploy the troops to Libya. And he's going to be like, sir, you heard me. Get it done. OK. Do they say, no, I won't follow that order. You meant to say Alaska. That's exactly my concern is your last resort when you're in those positions, if your boss, in this case the president, says something wacky is you resign and you go public. And we don't do that anymore, right?

So that's the concern is everybody's in lockstep right now because they want to get promoted or whatever. And that's exactly the issue that concerns me is who's quit? Let's talk about the spy balloon. Who quit? Who offered their resignation over that? That was a gross failure, right? That was a gross failure. Shouldn't somebody have been fired?

They won't even admit that it was a gross failure. But shouldn't, in the military, someone should have come forward and said, I was responsible for the defense of our airspace. It was violated. I failed. I am quitting. I'm resigning because I failed to do my job.

Nobody's come forward to do that. So that's my concern is we don't have that ethos now. That's essential to the officer corps. That's why I brought this whole conversation up because like, where's the leadership? But I can see like the end of the Roman Republic. Julius Caesar came with the military and took control of military dictatorship empire. I don't want that.

But that's where my mind is focused with a lack of leadership. What the hell's been happening last month? Where was Biden on East Ohio? I want to say this. I'm wondering, we talk about morals and ethics, and often it's not black and white. There's a gradient. To what degree do we accept censorship or oppose free speech? Even people who claim to be free speech absolutists, I'm like, you've got to limit. If somebody is posting videos of child exploitation, you're probably going to come up and be like, okay, yeah, that's not speech that's illegal it's like well it's not and and that means you don't agree you don't believe that anyone can just say or produce anything they want there are certain things that are illegal and then even insofar as what if you're not a producer of it

you're sharing it for some reason to express an idea no still no you can't do that stuff so we accept that there are limits in this regard i wonder about i kind of lost my train of thought what we're just talking? We were talking about basically when is it appropriate to resign, the ethics of a leadership and whose accountability. I thought was kind of where we were going with this.

I'm with, I got you about Caesar. That was my biggest concern. January 6th, there was this narrative. I got it back, I got it back. Okay, I got it back, go. Yeah, so my issue is basically, we obviously don't like, say, like Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge,

the killing fields, whatever. We see what happens when brutal, merciless dictatorships take over the Soviet Union. But I wonder if the reason there's such a negative view of things like the Roman Empire is because the people who were in those countries who wrote down the stories of what happened were the fat, gluttonous degenerates who were shocked to countries who wrote down the stories of what happened were the fat, gluttonous degenerates who were shocked to find that a country was actually trying to have some morals again. What I mean to say is it's not black and white. There are certainly circumstances where we're like, OK, we got a problem with this dictatorship. And I'm sure there are circumstances

where you get a more classically liberal but community-based, stern attitude of service guarantees citizenship. That is to say, a government that doesn't come to you and lock you in a gulag and mercilessly beat you, a government that comes and says, I'm sorry, we're not going to pay your health care because you're a glutton and you're eating too much food, you need to stop. Well, the gluttons, the degenerates, are going to freak out. They're going to write every story in the world about how the fascists are taking over, and we're watching this happen.

So if I saw something that was like service guarantees citizenship, if you want to vote, you have to provide some kind of community service, not military. Maybe it's picking up trash. The left is going to scream fascism, fascism. And I'm kind of like, doesn't that just mean personal responsibility? No one's telling you you're going to prison. No one's going to beat you. You can still speak. You still play video games. You can still get all the ho-hos and ding-dongs in the world. But we're saying you've got to be responsible to the community around you. They would call that fascism. So in the event, we did have a quote-unquote military takeover. But I'm saying that, you know,

somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I mean, quite literally, if they came out and said, hey, there's a minimum standard and it's going to be this, but you'll be able to live your lives as you see fit. The people who are going to write the history books are going to claim a military dictatorship destroyed freedom in this country, when in reality, it might actually just be something like, hey, we're about to collapse. The country is going to fall apart. The economy is spiraling out of control. There's riots in the street.

I'll give you a better example. If Donald Trump deployed the military, invoking the Insurrection Act during the Summer of Love, saving 30 plus lives. They would write down in the history books, a military dictator, Donald Trump, suppressed free speech. So I question these narratives throughout history. Some of them are probably bad. Some of them might not have been as bad. The most recent, at least supposed coup that almost tried to happen in our country was supposed to be January 6th.

Chris, you were acting Secretary of Defense at this time, sixth in line for the presidency. So if some coup happened, I think it's sixth in line. Can somebody fact check me on that? I believe it's sixth in line. No, I didn't. Could you tell me a little bit more about not your role in january 6th but our reaction to it as i understand with the national guard careful with your phrasing there uh you know and then also we were talking about people resigning there were a lot of people who resigned from the trump administration

following this yeah sunshine sunshine soldiers fair you know uh you brought up if we would have sent soldiers up on Capitol Hill on January 6th, the morning of. So let's go back. I hate to do this. Let's go back. I'm going to be pedantic and talk about our high school civics class. Capitol Hill legislative branch, military executive branch. Capitol Hill, you don't go up there if you're the executive branch of the military unless you're invited. To do something different is called a military coup. So I was not

going to be party to that, obviously, because that's un-American and in violation of my oath of office to the Constitution. So this narrative that we should have moved faster or had been up there beforehand would have been, could you imagine, what would have happened if I would have pushed National Guard troops up on Capitol Hill before the riots started? Wow, it would have been a mess. I know the only person who got killed was Ashley Babbitt by Capitol Police Officer Michael Byrd. That was the only shot fired. Do you think that was a justifiable shot given the situation? Well, you know, the protective service detail, I don't – it appears to me that when she came through the window, she crashed in on the security bubble and they shot her. That was the moment when I realized we had been promised that the police in Washington, D.C. and on Capitol Hill could handle up to a million protesters that day. And you don't use your military for domestic law enforcement. That's what we have cops for.

You don't use military. You don't use soldiers to do domestic law enforcement until civil society is broken down, like a natural disaster in new orleans everything's gone to you know what that's when you go in there that's when the military serves and does uh law enforcement duties until that happens keep the military out the military you talked about vietnam military really violated tons of American civil liberties by spying on Americans. These are the things that are going through. They're still doing it. Yeah. My last follow-up was going to be many people in the Trump administration decided to

resign as a result of January 6th and the events following it. You chose not to. Can you tell me a little bit more about that decision? Yeah, because I wanted to get more facts. So, you know, I had been in combat a day or two. I'd been a leader in the military, commander in the military. And you don't, you got to be stable. You got to be steady, right? That's what good leaders do. I saw a lot of those political figures that bailed that day doing it for political reasons.

I was like, we need to find out what happened. We're still finding out what happened that day. So here's the one that always bugs me when these bigwigs talk about, well, it would have been the reason I stayed is because I had to protect something. If it wasn't for me, I had to protect our soldiers. I'm not saying that. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that's my job. I got six weeks left or whatever it was, four weeks left. And what was that?

Was it Thomas Paine, Sunshine, Soldiers? What's that? Yeah. It's like, hey, you get paid for the good times and the bad. And you really get paid for the tough times. That's what the American people pay you for, and you really get paid for the tough times. That's what the American people pay you for, right? You never thought it was a coup or anything?

Dude, I was running the military. There was no coup. Do you want to make it clear? Milley was right about that. Milley's like, you know, the only way it has to come through us, there was going to be no military coup. Dude, I spent my life in service to this country, and I swore to protect and defend the Constitution. There's no way that I was going to allow back to your point about resigning. If it came down to that and the president was not about – he wasn't going there.

If it would have gone there, I would have resigned and gone right outside and gotten on TV and said I resigned in protest because I was asked to do something anti-constitutional, period. End of story. Bye. Have a nice day. That's if he asked for you to bring troops out? No, if he was going to use them inappropriately or anti-constitutionally. What about the, oh, I forgot the date. Was it May 29th?

When was the, what was the insurrection? Yeah, May 29th. May 29th. What about that um you had these these uh far leftists setting fire to the to st john's church they set fire to a guard post the white house they tore down barricades and the response was police you know police came out did their their normal thing i suppose it's probably the appropriate response um there were national guard there that was one of the remember you don't recall the uh

the national guard for the helicopters down the middle of the streets uh that evening oh gosh yeah there was uh there a lot went on that's not appropriate use of uh the military you don't think so no that's what you have local law enforcement for that what about when they're not doing their jobs i mean in seattle in portland we saw what was it 120 some odd days of even new york they were firebombing overwhelmed federal buildings for a hundred days far-left extremists were throwing firebombs and explosives like at that point shouldn't the federal government act to defend its territory like it's building and like the people who live and work in the area federal government did they that put in they didn't They put in huge numbers of

federal law enforcement to protect federal property. The issue was the mayor was on the leftist side of the spectrum and was allowing that to happen. It was a debacle. And you've been out to Portland lately? Oh my gosh. But all that really happened was federal law enforcement stood inside the building and then the leftists continued to firebomb it for 100-plus days until they got bored with it and stopped. The feds did not actually come out. Feds were all over that town. Don't you remember the crisis that happened when— But how did it go on for 120 days?

Like, why did it not stop? I believe in local government. I don't believe the federal law enforcement should come in without absolutely can protect federal property. But the governor has his National Guard, his or her. They had plenty of access to security forces and law enforcement and National Guard without calling in the federal troops. If the federal government can't stop people for three or four months from throwing firebombs at its building, then they should probably just leave. They shouldn't be there because they're completely impotent.

I know they were there. They did the joint unit. They had DHS. They had ICE. They had a bunch of CBP or whatever were even coming, and they could do nothing to stop far-left extremists occupying the city and firebombing their building that was so it was basically you can't do it you shouldn't you shouldn't be there it was like they sent troops into a siege and then they just had to sit there

and be sieged for what was the point it's better than having no troops in the siege i mean i get it but i think if someone commits a crime against the federal government the federal government has a right to arrest criminals but hey look man i I guess I can just all side with my libertarian friends on this one and be like the end result of this. In my mind, the logical conclusion is it's a waste of taxpayer dollars to have federal law enforcement be paid to stand around for four months while people fire bomb a building and they can't do anything about it. So how about we just save ourselves the money, let the far left keep running amok and doing whatever they want, because clearly we're not stopping it. If Portland and Seattle want that behavior, then far be it. You're right. Federal government, don't be there. Shut the

building down. Leave. What's the point of having a courthouse for the federal government if they're not going to arrest and convict these people anyway? Waste of time. Case study of what we're seeing. Now, the interesting thing in Portland, I was out there a couple months ago, is local business is now in rebellion. It comes back to economics, right? Why wouldn't they be? They are clean in that town. There's been a sea change out there with their attitude. But it was a case study of things just going out of control.

I'm with you. What happens if a governor requests federal troops? Do they then owe the federal government something? Is it like, we'll pay you back later kind of thing? Or is it just they come and they serve for free, no questions asked? There are loopholes, technically speaking. There's some law that you have to pay,

but usually it all gets waived. So if the governor would have asked for federal troops, well, first off, we would have said, have you expended all your 5,000 members of your National Guard that work for you? He's like, I have, and I still have not gained control of city X, Y, Z. And then, yeah, federal troops would have been brought in in support. When the George Floyd riots happened, I think it was day two, I walked into the living room where Tim was. I was like, why have we not sent in the National Guard? What's happening?

Why fires? Why? Same thing. Like the feds did not want to get involved because it was a state. National Guard did go in. The Federal National Guard did go in? No, DC National Guard.

But the Summer of Love was all over the country. We saw rioting in towns people have never heard of. And there's crazy videos. There's videos of like Antifa far leftists But the Summer of Love was all over the country. Yeah. We saw we saw riding in towns people have never heard of for somehow. And there's crazy videos. There's videos of like Antifa far leftists walking through some kind of like suburban neighborhood and a bunch of young men who live in the areas came out and then countered them and chased them off. But we had we had this report from Michael Tracy of these small towns in the Midwest where stores were ransacked, windows were

smashed in by BLM and Antifa. And they're like putting up board spray painting, small business, please don't hurt us and things like that. And Tom Cotton wrote, send in the troops. The New York Times went into revolt and Donald Trump said, no, no, no, just let the country be destroyed by far left extremists. But every governor has their National Guard, citizen soldiers, one weekend a month.

They're part of their National Guard that they control. And they didn't do anything. Well, how's that the federal government's problem? I mean, if the federal government can't do anything about national widespread far-left terrorism, then I will just revert back to the whole national divorce civil war conversation. Because at this point, it's kind of like the federal government can do one thing. It can steal money from your paycheck and then burn it in Ukraine. Meanwhile, we're being,

our businesses are being set on fire and we're having far left extremists show up to our libraries. We're having adult sex performers perform for children, but I can rest assured that local government will do nothing and the federal government will take money from my paycheck and my business and burn it in Ukraine. I think it's about arm yourself locally. I don't want vigilante justice, but like if your governor won't do it and your president won't do it and people are getting killed outside your house, like what?

What are people supposed to do in that situation? I've never seen that in my life, God forbid it would ever happen. But like just local militia, is that actually constitutionally legal if the governor won't step up? Absolutely. I mean you can't go and kill someone. You can't like have a posse go just shoot someone. But like there are places that have citizen arrests and stuff like that. Yeah, look at Georgia.

Look at the McMichaels. When a guy is a felony burglary suspect on camera committing felony burglary, and the police go door to door and say, this is the guy committing the felony burglaries over the past several months in your neighborhood, and then this guy is reported running down the street, if you pursue him and he tries to steal your shotgun and gets shot in the conflict, you will go to prison for the rest of your life. If you are in Wisconsin and a group of BLM extremists who have already set fire to a

building twice, if they show up to your house and you brandish a shotgun, the cops will come and arrest you. If you're in Portland and far left extremists create an autonomous zone where they kill people, mostly in Seattle, where the people were killed, the police will do nothing. The federal government will do nothing. But rest assured, if you as an American citizen defend yourself from these people, they will show up to your doorsteps and mercilessly beat you. If you protest at the government, if you haphazardly bumble down the street in D.C. where the cops open the door to the Capitol building for you and say, come on in. I don't

agree with it, but I respect it. You will find yourself in solitary confinement for two years without charges. Where is the lie? Where is the lie? There is nothing. There is no lie. There's no lie. That's all true. If working class people who are desperately trying to follow the rules are being told for the past several years, we'll take your money and leave you high and dry when the psychopaths burn your house down. And they're doing it in Georgia. These extremists who are protesting in the forest, burning houses down, flipping trucks over and shooting at cops. We are being told over and over and over again by local government, we will do nothing for you. We're scared of them. We're being told by the federal government, we will do nothing for you. But rest assured, I'll say it again, they'll take our money

and burn it in Ukraine. Speaking of burning money in Ukraine, Chris, I think you said that you wanted to reduce or we could reduce the military budget by something like 40 or 50%. What do you think about the United states reaction to um russia invading ukraine and what would you have done a real interview happened if it does what would what would your reaction have been had the invasion happened under your watch i don't like bullies end of story i i just authoritarian totalitarian doesn't work for me uh and you know the big difference here in ukraine we had burning, taking our money and literally throwing it into the fire in Iraq and Afghanistan was, and when we left, all that

money, you know what we were spending a week in Iraq and Afghanistan? Two billion dollars a week. And the whole thing came undone as soon as we left ukraine uh they're willing to fight they're willing to die they're willing to have their infrastructure destroyed so uh i believe that having supporting ukrainian uh forces is in our best interest however i got i got one for you i got one for you i like let one for you. Let's go ahead. If it's so important, take that out of the DOD budget as opposed to just adding to the federal deficit. So I'm wondering if there would be such eagerness to provide exquisite weapon systems to the Ukrainians if that money was being subtracted from the $858 billion that we spend

on defense each year. If I could get specific. So as I understand, we've sent more money to Ukraine right now than the entirety of the Afghanistan war. I know we just reached to the point in sending tanks where I know at the beginning of the conflict about a year ago, that wasn't even in consideration. How far do you think we should go with weapons? Should we send more tanks, potentially? Should we send aircraft? All right. So here's my problem, is the nature of warfare is changing, right?

Tanks and planes aren't the answer. We're doing the wrong thing. We're trying to rebuild, we're trying to build them an image of our military that we have lost every war that we have fought since World War II. I think Korea is going to go in the, I think Korea is going to go in the win column someday. I'd actually put Korea in the win column now. So my issue is like sending all these exquisite, wicked, expensive tanks. What's a tank run for? Let's call it two. Let's use an aircraft. Aircraft goes for about $120 million a piece.

Drones can go for, what's a DJI? The Chinese DJI goes for 2,000. 2,000 a piece. I'm not going to do public math, but you guys have your computers. 100 million divided by 2,000. So let's go ahead, instead of giving like- 50,000. That's a lot. Can you imagine if you're sitting there, you're a Russian, and you're like, okay,

I've got my radars up. I see one plane coming. I'm good. I can handle that because I got a bunch of missiles. Can you imagine all of a sudden when your radar screen just goes all white and 20 000 drones are coming in on you we're fighting the wrong way that's my concern so we're sending all this money that it's the wrong capability they can create light shows with drones that take the shape of a human face and have it animate and look around and then a hand comes out and like waves all the drones just make the lights love those it's amazing imagine if they did that but like had them fly in a scatter formation carrying kilograms of you know explosive material or something and then wars that the things you can do with drones and explosives they can they can actually open up a computer choose every single

target for 20 000 drones and then every drone just targets windows, apartment buildings, cars. I agree. I think we're fighting an old school kind of way. That's a Cold War. Isn't it a little bit contradictory, though, if you want to reduce spending by 40%, 50%, but you still want to send more arms to Ukraine? So that's the thing I'm trying to argue in my book, is we can reduce spending if we rethink how we do our military operations. Instead of a $14 billion aircraft carrier, that's $14 billion. Instead of $1.5 trillion for the F-35 fighter, that's all Cold War stuff. It's

not going to last in a high-intensity war. It's going to last 72 hours. We need to rethink how we do this. We need to go cyber. we need to rethink how we do this we need to go cyber we need to go machine learning artificial intelligence and whoa you want better spending but straight straight into ai no autonomy oh okay because what tim said was you can you could this isn't like some sky net thing or anything that's not what i talking about. I'm talking about being able to go a human in the loop, but going, okay, we have 500 targets and then you can program your stuff to go get them without having to have a person in the loop. Like heat seeking. Yeah. So you can say like, these are the parameters of what we target. And so my big thing is return. We've got 1 million people in uniform, active duty show up every day, right? We have one million in the National Guard and Army Reserve. That's one weekend a month, two weeks during the year.

And then we have about 700,000 civilians. 700,000 civilians work for the Department of Defense. My point is we can cut a huge amount of the active duty force. I want to go back to the citizen soldier. That's what I want. I want to go back to the citizen soldier. That's what I want. I want to go back to the citizen soldier who lives in his community. And you guys were talking about social unrest and everything. I want that community to have their soldiers

next to them living there. And we don't have that as much anymore. So that's what I want to do. I want to ask a question. Someone in the Super Chat asked this. Do you think that the U.S. provoked Russia through its operations in Ukraine? I think what provoked Russia was our failure to withdraw effectively from Afghanistan. And we were so feckless and it was such – that's not to criticize anybody that was on the ground doing the work.

That's not what I'm criticizing. But the failure, that was a debacle. And I think Putin looked at that. And I think when they open up the Politburo archives in like 50 years and they look at their National Security Council notes, they're going to go like, wow, Putin saw that as weakness in the United States and saw that as a green light to go after. We saw it in Taiwan. So why did Russia go into Ukraine? I have no idea. I think I know. I think they want Sevastopol as a trade port. When the Soviet Union broke up,

they took it and they gave Black Sea access, like Mediterranean access to Ukraine. They wanted to keep Russia from becoming a global economic hegemon. But now he's trying to take Sevastopol on the freeways, East 97 and 105 that go down in there. I watched the morning shows, you know, where they had all the retired generals, they had Barry McCaffrey and Admiral Stavridis and all these people. Morning show, you used to watch that all the time.

Right, man. And you remember last year at this time, they're like, Kiev will fall in 72 hours. And then of course today they're like, oh, the freedom fighters of Ukraine. The reason I bring this up is anybody that predicts what's going to happen over there, I have no confidence in. I agree. I think everything we've

been told from everybody, you know, has just been wrong about what the trajectory of the war is going to be. I think Russia obviously has its interests with Ukraine, so it's not fair to completely blame the U.S. operations for provoking Russia. Russia wanted, like Ian was saying, Sevastopol, Crimea, Donbass region, regardless of what the U.S. was doing.

What ultimately happens is I think Vladimir Putin laments the fact that they lost Ukraine with the fall of the Soviet Union. They want access. They have operations in Crimea. And then both the US and Russia are engaged in influence operations in Ukraine in an attempt to win the favor of the Ukrainian people. But it seemed like for the most part, majority of the country was moving towards NATO and the EU. Even when I went there, that's what I saw. The people in Kiev were like, we want access to Europe. Europe was wealth for these people. They said, if we get Schengen zone, if Ukraine becomes a part of the Schengen zone and we can freely travel and work, our standard of living is going to skyrocket. Our wealth will skyrocket.

Russia's offer with the Federal Trade Union was not that appealing to them. Of course, you get the ousting of Yanukovych, U.S. involvement to whatever degree. You've got Joe Biden, Burisma, energy operations competing with Russia. Both the U.S., NATO, Russia have heavy interests. Russia moved in because the U.S. was winning the conflict. There was a cold war with Ukraine before. There was a hot war. Russia turned it hot because the U.S. was winning it. Well, they annexed Crimea, which was potentially could have went hot, but they didn't. They just let it happen. And then because of the influence, the annexation of Crimea was the line between cold and hot. They brought in military into the region. There was not a lot of fighting, but they took that land. Then it went hot in the Donbass region.

Donald Trump gets elected. Everything kind of simmers a little bit down. Do you think if we would have reacted differently to this seizure of Crimea in 2014, that this situation would be different? Oh, in what way? What do you mean? Because Obama, we didn't do Jack. We let him take. And maybe we were too concerned about something. I don't know. The US should have declared a no-fly zone. Well, so there's a couple of ways I look at this. First, my principal morals are, if they cannot justify to me and the American people why we should be spending money and being involved in Ukraine, it shouldn't happen in the first place. Strategically, Obama should have declared a no-fly zone instantly over the Donbass region and Ukraine, which Ukrainians would have supported outright.

And that would have prevented Russia from aggressing in the first place because that would be a direct act of war against the United States. When it came to their buildup on the border a year ago, before the invasion, I and many other people were like, the U.S. strategically should have declared a no-fly zone before Russia invaded because then Russia's move would have been an act of aggression against the U.S., putting them in a very difficult position. Instead, we have a Biden who sits on his hands and does nothing and the military apparatus around him. Russia moves in and now our hands are tied. Now we're sinking money into a toilet.

And it's just like you were saying, what more money than Afghanistan? Yeah, so far. 20 years of Afghanistan too. In 20 years of Vietnam even. Crystal Ball was talking about this. It is a strategic nightmare. So this is a component of why I'm like, we should not be

in this conflict. We should have nothing to do with it. We have, I mean, Ian, we surrender Afghanistan. It's a disaster. You mentioned. Putin sees this and he's like, wow, now's my opportunity. It has been just, look man, you know, everybody knows

I've been playing poker recently. You get a bad hand you fold if you don't and and the most important lesson you can learn is if you're if if you're the eighth best player in the world and you're at a table with the seven other best players in the world you're the sucker get out the u.s should have seen everything that was going on and been like you know we're really bad at this and we're going to lose. Cut your losses, leave. We shouldn't be involved. Chris, I want to ask you about, I understand that the arguments that people make for helping out in Ukraine, frequently there's something along the lines of, well, you know,

if you don't stop Putin, he's going to keep going and he's going to try to bring back the Soviet Union, etc. Those arguments to me are not compelling at all. And that's just because NATO. What's wrong with waiting for NATO to actually get involved until there's an actual threat to a NATO country? There was a reason why Ukraine is not in NATO now. And this is literally it, if I understand correctly.

NATO didn't want Ukraine because they didn't want to directly have a conflict with Russia. And that's what we're getting at right now. If we continue to support Ukraine, at some point, there's going to be dead NATO soldiers. And then there's going to be people talking about Article 5. And I don't see the off-ramp at all right now. I don't see how we avoid that because we keep committing to indefinite support until Russia's beaten. And the realistic perspective is Russia is only going to be beaten if they choose to be because they do have nuclear weapons. So I don't see where the off-ramp is with us supporting Ukraine the way that we are. What are your thoughts on that?

Hey, NATO, President Trump is right. Can't freeload anymore. Good on NATO. is right what can't freeload anymore good on nato good on nato for all those years after world war ii where we pay we bankrolled their security cold war's been over what 30 years some say it never ended just switched to china yeah oh yeah good point oh that's a good one oh we could go someplace on that one yep talking about the military industrial complexrial complex. So the Poles, when I went over there, I was over there six, eight weeks after the war started. The Poles went to this university, right,

and gave a lecture to some international affairs class. It was interesting. The leadership of the university got a sidebar with me and said should we evacuate and set up an alternate university i said why they're like because we think we're going to get a nuclear weapon strikes coming in they were petrified now your point about uh you know you think putin you think putin would make a move on uh on a nato country i don't and that's why i think that's why i don't think that we shouldn't that's existential for i totally exactly and that's why i think that as as harsh as this is going to sound to a lot of people we should keep our nose out of ukraine because i don't see putin actually making an attack on a nato country

because that isn't that's that that just i don't see any benefit for for putin to do that it's it to actually try to engage in a war with nato if there's a lack of nato unity then i could see him invading estonia or latvia and then posing the question to the american public and europeans are you guys really willing to fight and die for estonia because that's what a lot of people in the united states would be asking and if you guys ask me that i i don't know i would respond do you think american soldiers should die in estonia if russia invades the question you just nailed it i know you they died in germany i don't yeah so you know i don't know if the american public is ready to answer that question if russia was willing to take

that chris what do you good oh no you guys go ahead i you're the secretary of the poor i would not die for the estonian people at the moment thank you i love you people i love you and i'm here for you in my own way. I'm just not shooting people for you. But I think Putin's disincentivized of attacking NATO countries because he needs Turkey. He does. Let's be clear. He does not have the ass right now. There is this great statement that I heard when we were losing in Iraq the second or third time.

I can't remember what time it was. Great powers should never fight small wars because one of two things happens. One is they win and they look like a complete bully and everybody gangs up against them. Or two, they don't win and you show your... Blood in the water. You're feckless.

Everybody goes, wow, that's a paper tiger. I don't think Russia, they do not have the combat capability right now to do anything. I mean, so. They got them nukes, though. Oh, so, right. So I'm all about strategic defense initiative, you know, Star Wars. We were talking technology earlier. Dude, I think we have the ability to put that.

You know, we were talking earlier about putting the bubble around. I think we can do that. So I'm like, fine. Strategic defense initiative. Just like Star Wars. Remember, everybody made fun of Reagan. Like, this guy's a complete lunatic.

The problem with defensive bubbles is things that come straight down pierce the bubble or a better chance to pierce the bubble. Like hypersonic straight down would be hard to stop. The real issue is Russia probably has invested in cyber warfare more than anything else. Well, information operations too with their bot farms and everything. Yes, but I think the bigger issue is Russia probably has the capability of blowing up an oil refinery in a minute.

Cybersecurity is not impossible. It's very easy to attack. It's extremely difficult to defend. You have so many attack vectors throughout the country, you won't even, it's impossible to shore up defenses because you don't know which of the tens of thousands of industrial plants to protect. And you can start by trying to protect all of them, update every single one. But even when you do, eventually someone will find a new exploit. The military, the Russians will every single day be trying to find a way to break through

and they will find it and then they can do who knows what what do you think ethically about a general armistice with uh the russian army like in eastern ukraine because what i think is happening is they want that black sea port they want to be able to ship into the mediterranean and sell steel to the world the united states everybody everybody and sell steel to the world, the United States, everybody, everybody. And that means an alliance with Turkey, which means an alliance with NATO. So the end goal seems very positive for everyone involved, except for the fact that the Ukrainians would have to cede the eastern territory, the Donbass or the southern Donbass. But do you think that that's a reasonable de-escalation tactic? You're triggering me, and this is where the American hypocrisy bothers me,

that there's this idea that somehow we can dictate terms. The Ukrainians get to decide, and the Russians get to decide. And we can stop giving them money. And you know what? If we stop giving them money and we stop giving them stuff, they're not going to stop fighting, and it's going to go old school. They'll stop fighting when they get flattened, and there's no one left to fight.

Ukrainians have shown that they – the biggest change I saw from when you were over there, right? It used to be about 50-50 split. 50% were like, let's go rush away. 50% let's go to the west. Leaning western. Dude, last time over there, man, the hatred, I'm sure it's like 90%. Yeah, the Donbass and all that, they're obviously... That's a trade space. We all know that. But my point is, we're not going to get to decide that. The Ukrainians get to decide that. How do wars win? Or how do wars end? Exhaustion. And those two countries don't seem to be exhausted yet. Yeah, but Ukraine is, look, Russia's got its problems militaristically, but Ukraine's only

able to do anything because of NATO support. If we were not providing them with weapons and intelligence, they would have been flattened in a week. Russia, even Russia. I totally disagree. The way that, and that's part of my book, actually, is we talked about how we need to fight differently. When the Russians came down from the north to try to capture Kiev, and what did you have? You had like babushka women out there slapping plastic explosives on freaking Russian tanks. You had little hunter-killer teams with their pickup truck and anti-tank guns and stuff. So that's my point is they're absolutely capable of defending themselves,

even if we pulled everything out. It'd get a lot worse, don't get me wrong. That's a great argument for us to pull everything out and back off, because if that's the case, then I see no reason for us to be raising money. But why? It's not, you know. What are we gaining from it? What do we get?

Yeah, I want to ask you that. Like, why would we bail? Why would we pull out when we can fix the Russian war machine in an interminable war? What do you mean fix the Russian war machine? They're stuck right now. They can't do anything else. So what do I, as a taxpaying American citizen gain from everything we've done in Ukraine? Well, I kind of am a Ronald Reagan kind of conservative who believes in

peace through strength, and I don't like bullies and authoritarian regimes. And I think I get tired of the cliche about this. What about Pakistan? Should we get involved in the China dispute with India? I get tired of that cliche about Munich and whatever year it was. But I mean, where's it end? We have to stay in someplace. And these people are willing to fight and die. There's not a single American troop in harm's way. What's our dispute with Russia? Well, they're an authoritarian totalitarian regime that has designs on conquest. So why aren't we involved in the China dispute? I think it's in India, right?

Why aren't we involved in that dispute? They're taking care of themselves. So I thought you said the Ukrainians could take care of themselves. Yeah, they can. So why are we there? Why not? All they need is some material. But we've got U.S. personnel on the ground.

We've got special forces operating there. No, we don't. Yes, we do. Prove it. I'll pull it up right now. Special forces have been operating for a long time. The internet is so legit. Chris. This was a big story. Come on, Chris. Come on.

You know that even if there's no evidence there, you know they're there. I mean, you can call the Intercept fake news. Will the Biden administration shine light on shadowy special ops programs? Let me... No, that's programs. That's an old story. That's an old story. That's an old story. Yeah, right.

Let me... The Intercept reported this a while ago. Let me... There's American volunteers, I'm pretty sure, but those... Oh, yeah, totally. Because they're volunteers. They're volunteers. I suspect there are small numbers.

Last time I was there, I'm telling you, other than at the embassy doing embassy work, there were no U.S. special operations. I thought there were Americans there to help them train them on the equipment we're sending. They were in Poland. They were military inspectors at the very least. I agree. I don't like bullies. The United States bullied Iraq and Afghanistan for two decades. So I feel like now we have Iraq.

Russia's going to take eastern ukraine china's gonna take taiwan there every warmonger wins now we're the three strongest countries on earth again can we just be peace peaceful and calm russia by the way russians consider they want calm americans talk about peace and peace through secret u.s operations inside ukraine are being conducted under a presidential covert action finding, current and former officials said. The finding indicates that the president has quietly notified certain congressional leaders about the administration's decision to conduct a broad program of clandestine operations inside the country, one former special forces officer said. The Biden amended a pre-existing finding originally approved during the Obama administration that was designed to counter malign foreign influence activities. What's the date? This is from October 2022.

This was a big deal. Ken Klippenstein and James Risen reported this for The Intercept, and it got syndicated basically everywhere. I think the New York Times picked it up. We have the U.S. as active personnel in the country. The argument is, are they engaged in direct conflict, or are they doing infrastructure, logistics, and support regardless? I have not heard an argument, and it's not been justified to me, why we are providing weapons, funding, and personnel in any capacity. The U.S. provided the weapons and the intelligence to the Ukrainians they used to destroy the Russian flagship in the Black Sea.

Why? Why are we at war with Russia? They've not given us any real reason. I get it. Russia's an adversary. Obama called them a regional power. Russia does deals with other countries. It interferes with us in terms of the energy market that we're trying to build

with Europe, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. So if the real reason is that we have engaged in war in Ukraine because we want cheap energy into Europe so that Europe can build up its economy as a means to counteract the growth of China, sure, I understand that. I build up its economy as a means to counteract the growth of China. Sure, I understand that. I don't see that as a good enough reason. Russia is engaged in legitimate energy trade. We are pissed off about it because we want Europe to expand and they're our allies. So we decide to support a war against Bashar al-Assad and Russia.

It just seems like psychotic, world-ending policy, especially when you consider that Russia, they're not going to roll over. This conflict is going to get worse. So this all, look, I can talk about how far back this goes, but as a 36, nearly 37-year-old man, give me a couple weeks, my birthday's coming up, I can talk to you about the extent to which I entered this and have vast ignorance of the longstanding conflict. But what we know is Europe has made the argument, or I should say the European Union argument

is they need a strong economic block because China is growing too rapidly. They need to be able to counter that. Russia controls a large portion of the energy flowing into Europe and charges them an arm and a leg. The U.S. and European organizations, institutions wanted to build a pipeline through Syria, through Turkey, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. Syria said no, because we're in it for Russia. Surprise, surprise. I'll just leave it at this. The country destabilizes. The U.S. provides military support to certain rebel factions.

ISIS expands rapidly. And then we see the conflict escalating with Ukraine, all of its surrounding energy. You've got the Gazprom gas monopoly through Ukraine. You've got Burisma with Joe Biden, all of these things centered around getting cheap energy to allow European expansion. Thus, it ultimately comes down to, in my opinion, there is a great global conflict. It's never ended. The Cold War turns into something else. But if the argument is Europe needs cheap energy, so we are going to go fight in Ukraine to cause problems to Russia so that as the war expands, if Russia does team up with China, they'll be substantially weakened. I'm like, oh, you're basically saying World War Three is coming. We want it. We're involved in it. We're not going to back down. OK, not a not a not a good enough

reason for me. I'd be honest. I'm being told either trust me when I spend all of your money, more than we've spent anywhere else, on this war in Ukraine, and it will probably lead to World War III. I'm being told that's the path we're going to take, and I'm not going to give you a legitimate justification for why we're doing it. My attitude is just, okay, well then I'm going to advocate against it every step of the way, because if you can't justify it, the American people should not be giving you support for it. I think that if it's this old British Empire tactic of keeping the Germans and Russians separate, if the Germans and Russians create an alliance, you have like a European-Asian superpower in China, Russia, India, Germany, then after 20 years, the United States is the bitch of the realm and we lost the war through ineptitude and inactivity whereas right now they're trying to prevent this Hitler's invasion of Poland all over again they're like we're getting in early we're not going to let him take France that's a tough question that the question being should the U.S. dominate the world

should they a lot well I think it's a cheap price for Putin's foot soldiers. And China has no limit, I think, no limit to their relationship with Russia. So people are right in saying that it's a proxy war, but it's not a proxy war between the United States and Russia. It's a proxy war between the United States and China. Chris, what do you think? Wow, you just always bring it back in. I'm telling you, this guy's doing the real interview. And the mustache is nice looking.

I think the Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank right now. And I know this week the whole story is like, the Chinese and the Russians are combining, which is horrifying, yes. But 2,500-mile border between Russia and China. China, I think, is probably going, I love the fact that the entire Russian army is committed and stuck in Ukraine because last time I checked, you guys are experts on this, the Chinese have lots of problems with natural resources,

which all are just north of there. I got to think they're just sitting there going, oh, we're taking the long view. We love the fact that the Russians are getting bled. It's horrifying if you're a Russian soldier or a mercenary. Holy cow, that's a bad, you drew a bad lot on that one. But I think the Chinese are just absolutely like, we couldn't have asked for a better setup.

We've got everybody focused over here, and we can just continue to do what we need to do and they'll likely i think moving to taiwan at some point soon i think that balloon is a literal trial balloon the way i describe it is when you're robbing a liquor store you don't care the gun you have is illegal because you're committing a worse crime china i think is getting ready for action in taiwan so they don't care if we're pissed about a balloon they're they're preparing for something much worse you think you think they could take Taiwan? They absolutely could take Taiwan.

The question is, what losses are they willing to sustain in doing so? Yeah, and what would Taiwan look like afterwards? Would it even be there? I think they'd get ashore and then they'd get stuck. Chris, let me follow up and ask you. So you were acting Secretary of Defense during a time that was going to transition,

which are supposedly the most militaristically vulnerable time for a nation, during the Trump administration, we were still under the strategic ambiguity on whether or not we would defend Taiwan. But Joe Biden, some people are calling him a blabbering idiot when he says this, but he takes away strategic ambiguity because he says that we will defend Taiwan. Could you give us some insights on what was happening under the Trump administration, how we would have reacted to China trying to invade Taiwan? And what do you think about Joe Biden saying now that we would defend Taiwan? Remember the International School of International Affairs has this thing called the madman theory. They said Nixon was like he was playing the madman, like he's unstable. Well, that's actually a valid concept for how to deal with foreign adversaries. And, of course, they thought the world, many people in the world,

thought Trump was using the same thing. He was using that madman theory. So everybody asks, like, you asks, what would have happened? I don't think they would have taken a... You tried that balloon. That was a probe of our defenses. I'm with you 110%, pure and simple. And I don't think... The thing with the Biden, you said it's strategic ambiguity. It's actually more muddled now because you have the President of the United States says that we're going to defend Taiwan, and then you have the Secretary of State says, oh, whoa, no change in policy. And then the Secretary of Defense says the same thing. So I think the Chinese are like, we don't know what the hell's going on right now. It came from the President's mouth, though. He said it three times.

He was in office for longer than I've been alive i you know i think he knows am i naive to take him at his word when he says that we would defend taiwan do you not think china's taking him at his word i don't i don't know i don't think we have enough insight into what's going on in china to tell you the truth i was just my point was uh they could get ashore but but I cannot imagine a scenario where the Chinese take a crack at Taiwan. Is Taiwan just massively defended, just entrenched tunnels? No, it's just the terrain's so rough.

There are only three beaches they can land on, and then they can get ashore. They can get ashore, I'm with you, but then what do you do? It's a big island. It's a big piece of land a it's a it's a big piece of land but i but they china could take it but it would be very very expensive and you don't want to destroy lives and resources and right and destroying it what's the point of taking something

that turns into a smoldering rock they want its resources they want its ip they want the the chip you don't think it's just because they they're, this is part of China and we don't care if it – Partly. I think there's a lot of ideology in there because that's where the – That's real China. Yeah. Well, that's where the capitalists – that's where they escaped to when the CCP took over. Yeah, during the Boxer Rebellion.

Well, this is back in the late 1800s, the Boxer Rebellion. I mean that's where the drug – they pushed them all the way to the east. No, no, no. He's talking about the Cultural Revolution Rebellion. Well, this is back in the late 1800s, the Boxer Rebellion. I mean, that's where the drug, they pushed them all the way to the east. No, no, no, no. He's talking about the Cultural Revolution and all that. The Republic of China fled to Taiwan and stayed there. Shanghai Shack, right?

Yeah. And it was actually, I'm pretty sure that, was it the UN? Foreign governments, I think the US recognized Taiwan as the real government of China up until a certain point.

I think, I don't remember, it was 70- was that Nixon? Yeah, Nixon went over there with Kissinger, and they cut a deal to end that. Yeah, like China is now the province, and we cut diplomatic relations and all that stuff with them. Awful. And it was before that, it was the British were attempting to colonize China, and they pushed them off the continent and just onto the islands. That was at the end of the 1800s.

But remember, the reason the Nixon administration cut the deal is we needed to get out of Vietnam. So there was a quid pro quo, and they also were like, the Soviets, we've got to counter them by bringing the Chinese out of the orbit. I'm not familiar with that story about China. That's why Nixon went to China.

I have to look into that. I think we should just start behaving as though World War III has already ended and then get a homestead, get some goats and chickens. That's why I think about alliance with Russia, not in the sense of a military alliance against someone. I'm saying that wars can end and immediately go back to normalcy. A white peace can be declared and economics are immediately struck back up. Infrastructures rebuilt.

People, they speak the same language. You know, like the Russians and Ukrainians are basically the same people. It's like Canadians and Americans. We're all like, it'd be crazy for us to be at odds. I mean, they speak a different language. Ukrainian and Russian are not the same language. Okay. The Slavic languages have an overlap, right?

Cyrillic alphabet. They have the same alphabet. Like romance languages can somewhat understand each other, their Latin root or whatever. So Eastern European languages have a similar root. But I could certainly see the conflict ending and then it's within a day back to normal. Like people do not want to kill each other.

It's not like a desire, a deep human desire. Yeah, they mostly don't. They mostly don't. the psychological trauma soldiers develop from having to kill other people like the story from vietnam that the troops were shooting over the heads of the vietcong because they really just people don't want to kill each other there's a sad sad reality of war man there's truth to that there's also the the fact that like atrocities that happen to pows and stuff like that they happen for a reason and that's because the people that and that do the capturing just lost you know their buddies or whatever to the guys they just captured when you're standing there

looking at a guy that is on you know the opposing side you've got them. They surrender or whatever, and your platoon was decimated. So one out of ten dudes is gone. You lost four or five guys or whatever in the past week, and one of them was your friend and whatever. You've got those dudes in your power. People get real evil real quick. That was that My Lai Massacre in Vietnam is an example of that. I think they killed 200 civilians.

They went in with helicopter gunships, and there was a captain that issued the order, we're just going to torch and kill everyone here, and they murdered, and no one got any kind of jail time for it. The one guy, the captain got in trouble, but then was pardoned by Nixon. Calley. Calley was his name?

He was a lieutenant. Lieutenant. Captain Medina. You know, we learned this. That's educated and trained into every single soldier that goes into the Army. You learn about that, about ethical reasoning and how this is what happens when you lose control.

And that's like we talked about accountability and leadership. That's why leadership is so critical. Hey, I'll tell you what. You're pretty amped when you grab a hold. When you come off the objective and you've taken some casualties and you grab a hold of your targets. Yeah, it gets pretty amped. But, you know, we take that pretty seriously. Sometimes things go wrong.

But, man, we teach that. It's the lieutenant that gave the order. That's Callie as the lieutenant. And he's the one that got put out, was a death sentence and then commuted the sentence. And then the captain was- Life in prison or something. They commuted it, Medina. Because remember, ultimately, if you're a commander, if you're a boss, you're responsible for everything that does and doesn't happen. There were generals and there were colonels involved that did not do the right thing. When they identified that there had been a massacre, they did the cover-up. So it just got really...

War's ugly for a lot of reasons, and that's one of them. I mean, taking prisoners can be really, really, really rough. Friendly fire, too, is not talked about enough. It's like 35% of casualties's friendly fire too it's not talked about enough it's like 35 of casualties are friendly fire it's it's rough i don't know the real numbers but that's what i've heard dude and i think it was a guy in a helicopter it was like a gunship pilot he sat down yeah and pointed the guns at the americans it was like you are not going to kill these people do you realize he's he's passed now he received uh like 30 years after that because he was ostracized for not being a team player, that helicopter pilot. He was finally awarded for his heroism.

That's moral courage, right? And he finally was awarded towards the end of his life. This happened in the 2000s. But, you know, geez, yeah, it's tragic. But Vietnam is – I'm fortunate to have grown up with a dad that was in the Navy to avoid getting into the jungle. His cousin, I think it was his cousin, got shot down in a helicopter. Just horror stories, you know.

And parents with no legs of my friends that had been in the jungle. It's really people should educate themselves on Vietnam and listen to stories of Vietnam veterans that there's videos of them on the internet telling for an hour, talking about either they were captured, what it was like to be in a foxhole in the dark for two weeks. What's your favorite movie? My favorite movie of all time?

No, Vietnam movie. Come on, Apocalypse Now has to hold up. It's good. It's slow, though. I know. Do you think you could make Apocalypse Now? Because I think the audience would be like, this is so boring. The acting was amazing.

Yeah. Do all of those movies have Fortunate Son in them? Yeah, they have to. Yeah, they have to. Forrest Gump, is that one? I love Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump's great. What about Platoon?

Does that have Fortunate Son in it? Yep. Forrest Gump? I think so. That's the one. Family Guy made the joke where Quagmire was talking about being in Vietnam, and he was like, you know, it was horrible. The temperature, the people, the conflict, Fortunate Son playing nonstop, and then it

shows him on a boat, and it's playing Fortunate Son. The smell. A lot of the soldiers will say one of the biggest things is when you land, you get off the thing. It's 104 degrees, and it smells. It just stinks they used to say that about the Japanese islands

in World War II just because of yeah the heat and they just sit there no one's cleaning these bodies up especially not during World War II

what other there's Platoon Apocalypse Now what else we got Go Tell It to the Spartans Full Metal Jacket right that's what I was thinking of

oh come on Full Metal Jacket that's got Fortunate Son in it too too, I'm pretty sure, right? I think it does. I'm sure you're right. Creed's Clearwater Revival. You do that at your shows? That's a song, man.

No. You could do a thrash version of that. That would be awesome. You could do that song as a metal song. I mean, we did Garth Brooks, so. What did you do for Garth Brooks? The Thunder Rolls. I got to hear that. It came out great. I got a gold record out of it. It was Garth Brooks, so. What did you do for Garth Brooks? The Thunder Rolls. I got to hear that.

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He wanted to look like a K-pop star and then ultimately decided, he said this, he said, I'm still not happy after getting all the surgery. Maybe it is transgender. That's the answer. Started doing facial feminization and moving in that direction and then finally had a realization.

He said, how much more surgery do I have to get and when does this stop? And then stopped and started reflecting on his life. And then he realized it had to come from within and this wasn't making him happy. It was only making things worse. And then he did a complete 180 and now he's detransitioned. He's writing a book about it saying people need to find themselves and not look for validation from others.

Really interesting conversation. It's like two hours long. Check it out. YouTube.com slash Timcast or I think it's on Apple and Spotify, the culture war podcast was it was that it must have been pretty motivating i'll watch it but that must like he went through that whole process and ended up with like you got to be yourself yeah and don't don't try to be something that someone else wants you to be i'm is that kind of what you're saying and he said he regrets that it took it he got all of this surgery done that altered himself before he finally realized it

yeah well if ease your regrets man because that story is going to help a lot of people and probably keep people from having to go through what you went through he's he and the funny thing is i was like when you were doing this trans korean stuff we're like conservatives attacking you and threatening you was like no and i was like you didn't get people insulting you and he's like not really and then i'm like when you detransition oh, the left sending death threats and hate. They're trying to get him banned. He's been canceled from shows. They're just trying to destroy his life in Korea. I'm like, I'm not surprised. You know, it's crazy. But YouTube dot com slash Tim gets if you want to watch it. I do think it was I had a fun time talking to him. All right. Let's see what we got here. Sweet

Beat says, can this recent crazy weather be a type of intentional malicious weather warfare when you were the acting secretary of defense did you get briefed on any kind of weather weapons that may exist if only biggest regret tim you know they brief you on like nuclear war and terrorism stuff i should have got the weather brief and I should have got UFOs. I missed them both. Big fail on my part. You know, we do have weather. We have the ability to control the weather.

We screwed it up. We did it in Vietnam. What did they do? Seed the clouds with, I think, silver iodide? To make it rain? Yeah, we were going in. They were doing that in North Vietnam to flood the rivers.

The problem was there was a POW camp called Sante, S-O-N-T-A-Y, that we did the most bold commando raid in the history of the world. They flew up in there, and they landed, and the prisoner war camp was on this river that had, due to the fact that we were messing with the weather, the river overflowed. So they moved the prisoners a couple of days prior. And wow. It's a silver iodide. Silver iodide. Silver iodide. Yeah. It's crystallized silver iodide and it causes water particles to

start condensing. But they also have in the past, probably longer than a decade, but a decade ago or so it was reported Germany was using infrared infrared lasers i was wondering about that yeah create lightning no to to uh create rain i think you can make lightning out of it like you would force would it heat like the water molecules or something something like that i don't know they found a way to condense okay you know so makes sense so marjorie taylor green in Dubai, too. They do? Yeah. In Dubai? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, they're like drones. I think that's what you're talking about, Ian, with they're using heat or electricity of some kind. I heard it was SilverEye died, but I think it could be newer tech as well. Yeah, that was pretty recent. Rath says, Tim, if you start a new channel for your poker podcast idea,

you should name it The Pool Table for all your tabletop needs. I think we're going to call it Poker with the Boys. What do you guys think? I don't know. So it wasn't my idea. You should name it the pool table for all your tabletop needs. I think we wanted it. We're going to call it poker with the boys. What do you guys think? I don't know. So it wasn't my idea. Someone else suggested that we do a Sunday night hangout live stream where we just get a bunch of dudes who play poker. And then it's mostly just a conversation hangout with poker as a backdrop. And I was talking to Clint from Liberty Lockdown. He was actually a pro poker player. And I was like, I certainly wouldn't be the guy for it. It's got to be him or someone. But then we would all hang out and it would just be fun because we'd have conversations similar to this, but it would be sillier.

There'd be booze and chips and whatever. And people are having nachos and getting drunk and then, you know, calling bluffs or whatever. I think it'd be fun. Fun show. Someone else pointed that out to me. I can't remember. It might have been Matt Brainerd. Maybe I'm not sure.

Hey, speaking of controlling the weather, I saw this article. High-powered lasers can be used to steer lightning strikes. Whoa. Do you know what a laser-induced plasma channel is? Yes, an electrolyzer. That is a high-powered, what is it, plasmatic hydrogen just focused in a beam? They use infrared lasers to ionize the air, creating a path for electricity to travel down. So the energized or whatever particles in the air,

the electricity can travel through it, so it creates a path of least resistance. And you can look this up. It was, what is it called? Picatinny or whatever? Picadilly? I don't know. Some Air Force base.

Which one is it? They were experimenting with laser-induced plasma channel weapons. The idea was- Picatinny. Picatinny. Picatinny. Isn't it – yeah. You mount a gigantic machine that fires an infrared laser for a split second, and then the electrode is charged already. So as soon as the laser fires, the electricity travels straight down the path and hits whatever – so they were like shooting cars with bolts of lightning.

And ultimately they were like, it's cumbersome, inconvenient and energy exhaustive. There's no reason to do it, but it's awesome, but it's so cool. It's like shooting. Imagine if you had like a backpack with a battery and you could pull a

trigger and blast lightning at somebody. I'm seeing ghostbusters right now. As soon as you said that with the thing in the back, did you, was I the only one? No, it's the coolest thing. I was thinking of those robo dogs.

There's a, you can shoot it a bunch of different directions at once. You can look up videos on YouTube. They're small versions. One is a guy put it in his door, creating a quote-unquote force field where you can see the arcs of lightning going all over where the laser-induced plasma channel

is happening. What's the difference between that and a rail gun? Is that similar? Rail guns use an electromagnetic in sequence to project a piece of metal uh okay yeah okay rail guns are crazy yeah full full auto rail gun just it's like a it's electromagnetic pulse so i want to launch spacecraft with rail on rail gun type well actually there i was reading about that and ultimately i think they decided for space package delivery they're going to use

high speed centrifuges. Yeah. That's smart. There was a discussion I was reading about how they did want to use rail guns use an electromagnetic

rail gun to do it and then they ultimately decided just to swing it high speed Have you seen any videos on that? They're videos on that. They're doing it?

Yeah, they're doing it. There's a company doing it. I forgot the name of it. It's legit. Spinning it so fast and then just sending it down a tube launching into space i'll send you i'll send you oh here it is you found it uh this startup wants to throw satellites into orbit with a giant centrifuge yeah yeah spin launch is the name of the launch yeah that's it way way less energy required you don't need all that googling fuel and yeah yeah and it goes it goes uh supersonic

so that's the one thing. They have to do this in the middle of the desert because you get a sonic boom coming out. Wow. Is that crazy? Yeah. Man, imagine working there. I imagine that something like this would be at a spaceport, right?

I think that's where they want to put it, like down in Arizona or something. Yeah, put it. Because rockets are, you know the the sound of rockets like you have to be really far away because they they're massive and blah blah so i imagine if you have to worry about you know the sound levels of spaceport would make sense for this stuff to to to be you know you can't believe that i'm talking about spaceport let's read some more you got a song out of that you're i know you're thinking about it martin small says chris it's great to see you on irl you are the best leader i had in my 21 year career strength and honor holy cow that's humbling that's when i start getting weepy man what was your role a couple of commander. What particular rank and command?

Cap, uh, a special forces, green beret. So what was that came out? Uh, yeah, that's what I did.

I was just green beret captain major. Like you start, you have 12 men and then you go to like 60 and then you go to 400. And then I got out. Would you spend time in the field like for weeks at a time? Yeah, man. That's, that's it, baby. That's it. We got Angela Richter in the member chat saying, ha, I live a few miles from SpaceX and my

house is being shaken apart as I watch this. That's so cool. I hope your house stays together, but man, what a, what a way to lose the property. And anyways. Has anybody gone down and see us has anybody seen a space launch down there i'm desperate to do that that's bucket lich yeah you know what i really want i want to be flying i saw a video of this and i want to be in person be flying through the air in an airplane when i'm watching a rocket launch, or better, the boosters land.

That would be super cool. Be in an airplane and watch boosters land. That would be super awesome. All right, The Fizz says, I'm a board member for a nonprofit for disaster response. I know you guys are particular with sponsorships and shout-outs. Where can I send you guys an email about our organization to see if we could work together?

I think on this YouTube channel in the About section, there should be an email address for sponsorships, but we are very particular. I just, I prefer to keep sponsorships to a very, very minimum. I mean, look, all of these companies, they come to me and they want to sign us for some reason or another. And the fine print in the contracts is always, if you read six ads per episode, you'll make $50 million a year. And I'm like, I don't want to read six ads per episode. I'd rather just not have that. Although part of me is kind of like, man, what could you do with all that money? You could hire a bunch of people.

You could build a bunch of stuff. But I just can't do it. I'm not going to do it. You could hire someone, the micromachines man speaker, the guy that talks really fast and have him do the reads. I mean, I could talk pretty fast if I had to, but it's a really interesting thought, Phil. Before we finish that, why don't you guys head over to timcast.com

and become a member. Now, I'm not a fan of podcasts that do that. It's kind of off-putting. You're watching an interview and there's some guy saying like, when I was there, the killing fields, the children that I saw.

That's really interesting. Before we move on, head over to large diapers.com, a sponsor for today's show. And you'll get 20% off. And I'm just like, well, then you always have to enter the code, right? There's always some special code. That's so they know if the ad's working. So whenever they say, yeah.

So the reason ads are always like, you'll get 10% off if you use promo code, Tim, it's actually so that they can look in their internals and be like, hey, look, we've got 1,000 new customers who use Tim. The Tim ads are working. Buy more of them. So you're not going to do it. We do some ads sometimes. YouTube has programmatic ads. But for the most part, I think memberships at TimCast.com are the principal way to run the business. It's kind of like I would rather have customers as opposed to – like if you're doing sponsorships, the sponsors are your customers and your customers expect a good product.

And then you end up with, I don't like that you said that thing about that stuff. And you're like, well, I'm going to keep saying it. Well, I'm not going to be a customer of yours. And if you rely on that, then you're beholden to companies that want to sell diapers or whatever, as opposed to the people who watch your show. If you do it as memberships, then we're beholden to the people who are paying our memberships and not corporations who sell products. Not that I have a problem with that. I mean, if you're a corporation that sells products, we have some sponsors. Ultimately, I decided we'll sponsor ourselves. So we're launching a coffee brand and we're probably going to do some kind of supplements or something and then just

basically be our own sponsors. So that way we can't cancel ourselves and we are still more beholden to our audience who are our customers. It's like social media. You're not the customer for Twitter. You're the product. The customer is the advertiser. Yeah, I don't want to run a business like that. I'd rather have the people listening to the show be the customers that we're accountable to and not. That's great. Yeah. I'm motivated.

What's the name of the coffee? Can you tell us yet? Not yet. It's delayed, but I think it should be done in a couple weeks. It was supposed to be like December. We called the company, and they're like,

we can have everything ready in a week. And I'm like, awesome. And they're like, yep, six weeks. And I was like, okay. Supply chain, man. It's a very long that's true and we've got uh like 80 of the new studio done but there's no internet because i think it's comcast they're like we don't have the materials to build sorry have a nice day call must do starlink we have starlink it's not strong enough oh really the upload rate for starlink i think is like eight megabits it's impractical so it's old school, like dial-up modem type thing?

No, no, it's better than that. Old school dial-ups. I was just showing how old I was. Old school cable, you know, when you're getting like a megabit and you're excited. I'm getting eight megabits up. It's like, okay, I can do a 480 live stream. We can upload video files. It'll take 20 minutes, you know.

Right now, we've got greater than gigabit. It's unfortunate, but we're building infrastructure in a semi-rural area. Mostly rural area. That means they've got to lay down the lines, lay down the fiber, and they don't have the materials to actually build it. They said, sorry, we don't have it. When we get it, we'll let you know.

Maybe if I speak on a show like this and say, hey, Comcast, we need internet at our new headquarters, someone a show like this and say like hey comp cast we need internet our new headquarters someone listening might know somebody and be like can we divert resources and make this happen or something twitter might be your best bet i feel like the companies love twitter now it took like four months to get internet here it was crazy because they have to actually dig like hang lines and like bury line and actually for miles, like two miles up the road, lay down the fiber lines and bring it to the house. It's crazy. It's a lot of work to do. It's very expensive.

It's ridiculously expensive. I did the same thing in my place. I had to drive, put in a line from the road all the way up a mile. But when you're in a residential area or an urban area that already has backhaul and lines in the ground, $100 a month for a gigabit. When you're in a rural area, it's thousands of dollars a month for the same internet. And then when they installed it, they installed it wrong, and they gave us the wrong box. So it had an optical port and an ethernet port, and they gave us the wrong port. Then we tried to buy converters, and we were like, this is insane. And then they had to come out and reconfigure and swap out or or something it isn't crazy all right what do we got here philip reed says if ian ever leaves tim's gonna hang up a sign that says long hair freaky people need not apply

that's actually a good idea to hang up behind ian as right now yeah yeah andrew puckett says ian's the type of guy who wants to hug in combat i i think so i mean i don't i don't i don't want to do that kenneth kenneth hart says guys what happened with tim and ian in the last three days episodes have been fire the energy is better the flow is better and you seem to be having more fun everyone seems to be having fun you know i am having fun you know once we started working with congress it's the beyond the drugs i i credit congress spending time at congress has given me a new lease on life man i i have hope and faith in the system seeing the amount of work that they are willing to put in like lauren bobert uh works 28 days a month she goes she spends four days a month at

home because she's willing to sacrifice and spend that much time. Her family, her kids are there and there with her. The whole family, the sacrifice there, it's amazing. It's inspiration. I have never heard of a person talk about Congress like that in my entire life. Once you get inside and you see the camaraderie and the willingness, it's a big story. You're talking about just the Freedom Caucus and Matt Gaetz. Yeah.

It's like eight people. Yeah. I love you, Ian. Send me to Congress. I'm not your buddy, guy, says Tim. You've got white stuff above your left lip. I am outraged at the body shaming that has been going on in chat from the people who are saying that there is something white in my mustache. It is the graying of my beard it is it is turning gray i have gray hairs and y'all are are shaming me

and saying i have boogers and don't you ever stop to think about what other people feel when you're shaming no so um this is why guys get the just for men stuff and color their beard i always thought it was silly because i'm like who cares cares? You go gray, you go gray. I don't care. But then someone pointed out to me, they were like, the problem is people keep going, oh, you've got something.

And you're like, no, it's just turning white. And they're like, oh. And you say that 10 times a day. You're like, I'm just going to put this stuff in or pluck the hair or something. But when it's getting whiter,

then you've got to, you know. More green vegetables should darken the hair. Less salt, more green veg, all that. I've gone through phases where I'll get white and it'll turn dark again. And another thing that works really well is adrenochrome, I hear. The oxidized blood of anyone in the world. What was that?

Adrenaline, oxidized adrenaline, that's what I meant. No, it actually, I'm pretty sure it's poison. And that's, you know, I was reading about it. Do people actually eat that stuff? I ask you because you're in the Department of Defense. I don't think it that's you know i was reading people actually eat that stuff i ask you because i think it's defense i don't think it's real and i was reading about it and it's it's poisonous like you can't ingest it you know adrenochrome anyway it's funny all right all right where are we at where are we at john kirsten says ian we cannot use conventional tactics against guerrilla tactics use their rules for radicals back against them and fight their guerrilla war with their own guerrilla tactics.

Morality is on our side. I agree with that, but I think you're conflating the culture war, which isn't actually a war. That's an important thing to remember. You are wrong. It's not a real war. Yes, it is. It's a cold civil war. I don't think you call that war.

I think that's softening the term. Google the definition of war and then let's see if we agree or disagree. Carl von Clausewitz. And while you're doing that, Perrin Gaming News says, where's Mr. Baucus, Tim? Probably peeing on the floor somewhere. He's sleeping downstairs right now.

Ian brought him in here and he pissed on the floor. War is the extenuation of politics by other means. Go ahead, pull it up. I think that's cause-wits. A state of open-armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nation-states or parties. So open-armed. But there's more than just the one definition.

The period of such conflict. So that was the war. And then the techniques and procedures of war. I don't know why you're using the word and the definition. That makes no sense. So I like your definition, Chris. I'm pulling it up. A sustained effort to deal with or end a particular unpleasant or undesirable situation or condition.

That's pretty vague. Right. Because the issue is words are defined by how they're used. And when we say cold war, we don't don't go well the dictionary says that war is armed conflict therefore the cold war never happened it was more of the cold political dispute between nations it's like okay like we call it a cold war because because there were nuclear arms pointed at each other if there wasn't weapons involved we wouldn't influence operations and spying and stuff so when you have like aaron danielson getting shot twice in the chest and killed

by a guy with a with a communist tattoo on his neck, I'd argue we are in a hot conflict. It's just not to the point where—what we're dealing with is the weaponization of government against the political enemies, January 6th type stuff. We're looking at pro-lifers getting arrested. We're looking at leftists getting a free pass. Like, there is a cold civil war happening. And it was a Yale professor five years ago who said it. So if you don't want to take his word for it, totally fine.

But you have to acknowledge that we've seen violence, death, conflict, all under the guise of political tribalism and extremism. So is it a hot civil war with marching nation states against each other? No, but it is a cold civil war. I think it's a fair assessment. Sun Tzu wrote that the ultimate goal of warfare is to win without fighting. Oh, I love that one. There you go. Tim, can I give myself a shout out?

Yeah. All right, so you guys spent a lot of money to train and educate me when I was a military officer, and it worked because I was right with the Carl von Clausewitz quote, war is the continuation of politics by other means. Probably the only thing I learned. It's stuck. I don't know what it means. No, I know what it means. Probably the only thing I learned. It's stuck. I don't know what it means. No, I know what it means.

That's a good definition. Yeah. Which kind of ties into what you're saying, actually, in a weird sort of way. Affecting policy through means other than your standard political process, in a sense. That's vague, because you could have affecting policy through other means that isn't war, like economically bribery. Bribery is not warfare. That's war.

It's economic warfare. It's softening the term of economic warfare is war bro sanctions are are uh catalysts of war and a huge exactly they're catalysts of and a huge component of war they blockades are an act of war blockades blockades are an act of war no fly zones a lot of these those are all threats of force of weaponry a blockade blockade? Yeah. There's something. Cutting off. And what do you think sanctions are? Do you think we just say, don't you do this? And if you do, we'll do nothing about it.

No, it's because we're saying we will lock people up and put them in boxes at gunpoint. Everything is under the threat of force. Bribery's not. Bribery's, you just. Bribing your political opponents isn't war, but it's a means other than. I disagree. Bribery is not. Bribery is – you just – So we're going to – Bribing your political opponents isn't war, but it's a means other than – I disagree. I think it depends on the circumstance for which you are bribing the person, obviously.

If you're like, hey, I want to get an easement on my land, push through the permits, okay, sure. But if it's like I want to ban this group of people from being able to talk here's a bunch of money don't let them talk yeah that's that's that's war uh every everything in government is backed by the monopoly on violence that's how government functions are we we're talking about we're talking about literal war like the definition of war like congress is the only body able to declare war we haven't been at war war since World War II. Don't play semantics with me, bro. So Vietnam was a war? It was Vietnam a war? No one declared the Cold War, so it never happened, right?

It wasn't a war. The Cold War never happened. Congress didn't declare it. Step in front and say, legally, the Cold War was a war. You'd be wrong. And no one's talking about legally. We're talking about human ideas and understanding. And often, in an attempt to win arguments, you change definitions of words.

Well, that's a disingenuous way to win an argument. That's what you do. I agree. You are disingenuous. You call it the culture war tongue in cheek. It's not because it's an actual war. I literally said it is a cold civil war. People have been shot and killed.

There are people hacking, sending death threats. There's banks shutting down people's finances. Like this is all an attempt to destroy people's lives cause them physical economic harm in an effort to win a political battle i feel like you could move into someone's city and they'll be like he's declaring war on us by by taking our goods and services and land from us you know you just did it totally on the board gentrrification has been called war. Gentrification is war now. It depends. It's almost like you live in a black and white world where things are binary.

When people use words improperly, I get a little upset. But you use words improperly all the time. That is an improper use of the term all the time. You did it earlier. You did it earlier. Well, me next. The whole point of that exchange was the.

You are most famous for making semantic arguments to try and prove a point that doesn't make sense. Like, this is what people complain about. I don't care about people on the internet. I'm telling you that everyone is desperately trying to tell you use semantic arguments all the time. That is not true. You use the term all the time as if it's like a cudgel and you're wrong. I don't do term all the time as if it's like a cudgel and you're wrong i don't do that all the time we were on stage at long shots and we were talking about the great thing like the

the great things you bring up on the show and then i said but not the semantic arguments and everyone started cheering and clapping in the audience you created that meme no no i didn't yes i am simply responding to what people are literally saying in the chat i don't make it up you were the one that said semantics like while we were at the old office and then other people started parroting it being mean in math means the average so if you're being mean to someone you're bringing them to the average like no that's that's that's that's not a it's a homonym not a synonym that there's no relation to those words and that's what you did anyway let's read some more super chats all right all right all right what we got uh let's see god gave rock roll to you says ask him oh wait i'm sorry the national guard is for riots i want

our military to handle the invasion at the southern border yes yeah yes all right essay federali says chris is saying what i tried selling to my recruiters 20 years ago and i was and was told i watched too many movies i'm going to keep up with what he's he's doing for sure yeah yeah they're like get a big jet and fly the jet around and it's like uh some dude's gonna pop out of the bushes with a remote control car with a bomb strap to it and he's gonna drive it into your tent and you're gonna to be like, what's that thing? Is what's going on in the southern border war, is it an invasion?

Yes. I think it's a national I think it's the purpose of our military. When you have people marching with flags of their home country into your country, like, I don't understand why that's not an invasion. It's like literally people waving

a flag of another country marching into yours like if if if this was 1500s france and a bunch of british subjects with british flags marched into france and then stuck the flag in the ground said this land is ours now and we're gonna live and work here they'd be like okay these british people are invading france you don't have to start shooting each other with bows and arrows or whatever it's like it happened all right where we at let's grab a couple more as we wrap up

Brandon says damn I love this show Ian is the man thanks Dan but that was an old super chat if you'd heard the last five minutes

you might have chatted something else Ian too honest too honest just take the win thanks Dan there's a bunch of redacted super chats. People are rescinding

them. Maybe it's because they were saying mean things but then they said mean things about Ian but then decided they shouldn't. They didn't want to bring Ian to average. Alright, let's here we go. Stephen says, all the fiber optic cable in the eastern U.S. is getting buried here in Franklin, North Carolina.

Well, I need it. I am outraged. All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com, and head over to YouTube.com slash TimCast and check out the first episode of The Culture War with Tim Pool featuring Ali London as our first guest, a man who is transitioning to be a Korean woman and is now detransitioned and wrote a book about it and is speaking

out against what they're doing to people and kids and actually a motivational section in his book about how to overcome these identity issues and find yourself. It's really interesting stuff. We got, that's going to be once a week. The episodes will go up on Friday. Friday's not a good day to ever publish anything but it is what it is.

And I assume people can watch the episodes throughout the week if they want to. We'll have clips up throughout the week as well. And we're going to have more guests from the cultural spaces talking about life and what's going on. We've got really great guests coming up. The next three guests are going to be incredible. So check that out. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. You can follow me personally at TimCast.

Chris, do you want to shout anything out? Modern square is what you're doing this is really important thanks for having me on give me a chance to laugh but also try to answer some questions probably failed in most cases but thanks what you guys are doing it's really important for our country right on could you tell us more about your book too I'm so bad at my pitch and the publisher's like, you gotta pitch your book all the time. You can hold it up too. This thing, you will laugh. So everybody will, all my buddies critique my book like, I didn't like

this part. I'm like, did you laugh? They're like, I did laugh. I'm like, my mission is complete. But this talks about some good stories, but at the end of the day, it's about accountability. It's about moving forward with our country, and it's also about those that serve and those they serve. We've got to do better bringing that together.

Back to our point, because what you brought up, civilian oversight, is essential to our country. And I just kind of behind the scenes, you know, I'm talking too much. I know you're going to keep it going. Hey, I know we got to get off. Like, I should never have had this job. I'm a kid from Iowa. It only happens in America. You know, I wasn't one of these. I was just a guy who started out in the field and was fortunate enough to lead our men and women of our armed forces. We're really fortunate in this country. And I got great hope. Absolutely.

I got great hope. I'm sorry. I know you guys get a little down in the mouth. I listen. You're like, well, it's the end of the world. I'm like, man, you go out in America, you know it. You see it out there. There's people.

It may be a dramatic transformation, but I said the other day, humans have overcome every single challenge set before them thus far. And I don't think we're the exception where it's all going to fall apart. I think things could get bad, but we'll figure it out. Yep. Chris, thank you so much for coming on. I'm going to check out your book. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. I am Alad Eliyahu.

I report for TimCast News. You can find me on Twitter, Alad Eliyahu. Instagram, BarelyInformedWithAlad and that's it. Thank you guys. And leader of the Bolton Bros membership fan club. Leader of the Bolton Bros. One day we're going to have a mustaches only episode, hopefully. Mustaches only. I'll tell you about

next time ahead of time, Chris. Wish I would have known. I am Phil Labonte, lead vocalist for All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. You can check me out on Twitter, All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary. You can check me out on Twitter, Phil That Remains on Instagram, Phil That Remains official. Yeah. I'm Ian Crossland at iancrossland.net.

I got a few speaking engagements coming up, one of which will be on May 13th in Oakland, California. It's part of the TakeHumanActionTour.com speaking tour. We're going to be with the Mises Caucus speaking. So that's TakeHumanActionTour.com speaking tour. We're going to be with the Mises Caucus speaking. So that's TakeHumanActionTour.com. You can get tickets there. Awesome, Chris. I'm really looking forward to working with you in the future, man. That was some real pleasure.

I didn't let you guys down. Like, content was bad. Like, oh, that was the worst. Dude, we barely struck the surface. As long as you don't storm out after a half an hour, we're good. Just thanks for everything you've done obviously and being able to talk about it publicly so easily it's really cool when you were saying we control the weather i was thinking like who is we as well who is that it's they before we go i'd like to

introduce kellen yes um yeah fridays are always fun thanks a bunch uh it's great conversation you're a very funny guy um hey tomorrow uh rally for ukraine i know all of tim cast viewers are going to be there bright and early but no uh a lot and i will be down there in dc interviewing people about the ukraine war um is that what it's called rally for ukraine it's the one year anniversary of uh since russia invaded uh the territory so check uh yeah so check that out and then also again check out the culture war with tim pool it's a great new show i listened to it it was awesome you guys can follow me at kellen pdl on twitter thanks guys thanks for hanging out

everybody and we will see you all with clips throughout the weekend and then we'll be back on monday