Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #733 Reps Matt Gaetz And Dan Bishop Join To EXPOSE J6 Breaking news w/Steve Bannon

Episode Date: March 11, 2023

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. How's it going, everybody? We are once again at the Capitol, basically. We've got a lot of news to talk about, but we're going straight to the source to figure out what's going on. Over this past week, we got a lot of information about January 6th, and I think some of the most interesting and most important revelations, maybe even in our generation when it comes to government malfeasance and politics, is that FBI agents

were apparently trying to or may have actually deleted evidence in a January 6th or multiple January 6th cases. This information comes out apparently implicating that some feds were actually involved in trying to obfuscate their involvement

by requesting the removal of their name from evidence. This is freaky stuff. So we're going to talk about that. We've got a bunch of other stories that may or may not come up. I saw a viral tweet where on The View, Jane Fonda alludes to murdering people who are pro-life in a rather shocking statement. And then immediately everyone starts laughing, saying, oh, it's a joke, it's a joke.

And then she gives this look like, yeah, I don't know if they're joking. And that's kind of freaky. I don't want to be hyperbolic, but considering everything we've seen, it's been getting pretty crazy. So we're going to have an awesome show. We have a bunch of guests coming in. We're literally sitting in Matt Gaetz's office. Before we get started, however, head over to TimCast.com. Become a member to support our work because that is the bulk of how we run this company. When you guys suddenly become members, you are basically making sure we can do these shows. We can set these shows up on the road. Very difficult task and

expensive. But if you believe in us and we believe in you, then support our work at TimCast.com. Smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show right now because we're going to have some breaking news tonight. Joining us tonight first is rep Matt Gates. Welcome to Capitol Hill. We're in the Rayburn office building and I'm loving Tim cast on the road because having to go out into the survival situation that is the track to your new your usual headquarters is treacherous. But this is this is great, man. We've enjoyed having your team here in the office. And I got an opening take because having come on your show a couple times now, like there are the people who see me in the news. Sorry, I got to pause you.

We're a little low on volume, Serge. Yep, I'm trying to work on it right now. All right, well, let's just roll with it because it is what it is. Sorry, continue. No problem. The benefits of a live show. There are people who see me in the news and they'll come and say, oh, you know, we saw you on Fox or saw you on CNN or whatever. But the people who have come up to

me to say they see me on Timcast, it's like we're having a secret handshake. There is an intimacy to it. There's a like, I know we have a connection because I was watching you on Timcast. So know that there's a sense of community out there that goes beyond normal media that, frankly, you probably couldn't develop on traditional media these days. And I think one of the cutting-edge advantages of a platform like this is that people, when they tune in, when they're a part of the discussion, when they feel like they're at the head of the table with us, then we've done something real. So I think we lost sound completely. Mic's peaking. Yeah, audio's gone. Totally gone.

No, it's audio's here. No, no, it's totally gone, bro. Can you hear me live? What's happening? So we had a... We brought a custom soundboard and everything. We got it set up. Everything was working just fine.

And then like a half an hour out, for some reason, we have no idea why, just stopped. Oh, they can hear me. We got it set up. Everything was working just fine. And then like a half an hour out, for some reason, we have no idea why, just stopped. Oh, they can hear me. We're good? But it's okay, cool. People are saying it's distorted and low, but low. Sounds better than the view. Yeah? Well, I

can see the mixer picking it up and there's like nothing there. It's like minus 50 dB. Yeah, yeah, but it's's i'm listening to it on youtube right now tell us in the chat well i like the wide shot it's it's it's pretty bad no idea maybe we should have just used your setup i got a rig yeah our custom rig doesn't seem to work it sounds like the distortion's cranked up like it's an electric guitar like i don't know if it's just the amount of time we spend talking or if it's like I don't know maybe it's just

real people make real community but I like that vibe it is and the cross section of people like like we talked last time white collar blue collar no collar no shoes yeah no collar no colors just fine all the above you're from Florida yeah oh I mean the jean shorts and Crocs is basically the Florida man No shoes? Yeah, no collar. No collar's just fine. All of the above. You're from Florida? Yeah, oh, I mean, the jean shorts and Crocs is basically the Florida man uniform. Before we get too deep into this, let me just introduce myself. I'm Ian Cross, and if you don't know me, now you do. What's happening?

And also we have Phil Labonte to my right. How you doing? Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist, counter-revolutionary. And we're going to have Rep. Dan Bishop and I believe Steve Bannon joining us later tonight. That's right. What an all-star panel, man. We've got Bishop. We've got Bannon.

It's going to be great. Well, let's talk about the first thing. There's a lot of news. I mean, the Silicon Valley Bank stuff is pretty crazy. But I think I want to talk to you about what's going on with January 6th because I think it was a year ago you mentioned federal involvement in, I'll just put it simply in some capacity. I think you were a bit more direct. But now we have this story where apparently they tried, I think they may have actually literally destroyed evidence. There's communications where they said, I was instructed to destroy 338 pieces of evidence and in one communication even said, remove the agent's name from this document as present at one of these incidents. That to me sounds like they're trying to destroy or may have literally destroyed evidence of their involvement

as it pertains to the seditious conspiracy charges. I've been involved in taking the transcribed interviews of several FBI whistleblowers from around the country, and a substantial amount of the testimony that they've given us deals with the treatment of people who were unfairly targeted as domestic extremists or somehow associated with January 6th, when in fact, in a great number of these cases, there was no predicate criminal act to even investigate, no evidence that people had committed crimes. So I normally wouldn't go into evidence in the middle of an ongoing investigation. But something interesting happened. As these FBI whistleblowers came in, the Democrats

would release out-of-context portions of their depots and then would do opposition research on the whistleblowers and blast that out in reports to try to discredit the work before we could even begin it. And since they've done that, we feel like we need to vindicate the stories of these people who've come forward. Because think about the deterrent effect. If every time a whistleblower comes forward to share evidence of FBI misconduct, their family gets smeared, their spouse gets fired, they're targeted, their financial situation degrades, they can't get jobs. And so they're trying to discourage the truth from coming out. And that's why recently at CPAC I called to remove the Democrats from the transcribed interviews. If their involvement in the investigation is going to be to harm the investigation, they shouldn't even be included.

And if you look at what happened during the January 6th investigation, it wasn't like anybody who had an opposing view was in the room. The Republicans they counted were Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. And so I think that that's an initial step. But it wouldn't surprise me. We saw an FBI lawyer change evidence before a secret court. And that guy had pled guilty to a crime and now has his law license back. Can you believe that? I mean, think about the message that sends.

So the FBI patriots who step forward and say, you know what? I'm being asked to do weird and possibly unlawful things to people who you're claiming are some sort of insurrectionists because of January 6th. And we put those folks on no-fly lists. We ruin their lives. And then at the same time, someone who literally admitted to changing evidence to try to implicate someone close to Trump to get surveillance on the Trump campaign. That guy can practice law in D.C. this week. You see Elon Musk just tweeted free, effectively saying free Jacob Chansley. They posted the video of him being escorted through the building. I'm wondering what are your thoughts on that? The video released from Tucker Carlson.

I don't know everything that that guy did, but what I saw there was a very confusing situation that really is indicative of like the fog of war where people don't really know what's going on. The sense of a rules-based order kind of changes. I think there were a lot of people, and again, I don't know if there's going to be a different feature to his involvement that day, but that conduct did not appear to be criminal or violent or worthy of the type of extended prison sentence. Even if it's a technical violation of federal criminal law, prosecuting that, putting someone in prison just for those portions that we saw on Tucker seemed itself not to be justifiable. Elon Musk tweeted a video of him standing outside with a bullhorn saying, everyone leave, go home. Trump says, go home. He doesn't want you here. And they're yelling at him, no, no, we're coming. So not only do you have this guy being escorted through the building, it appears, and the cops even try to open the doors for him at one point, bring him to an open door for the Senate chamber.

He's actually on video telling people to leave. Well, here's the problem. In his plea deal, he has signed away all his rights of appeal. So he doesn't even have the ability to open the courthouse gates to be able to have a resolution of those questions. Any honorable and reasonable prosecutor would make their own motion and would make it along with the defense if necessary to set aside that plea deal and to be able to evaluate the extent of criminal acuity. That is what a moral prosecutor would do. They would not be drug into court by the defense lawyer. They would actually go and

make the motion themselves. What I have seen come out of the DOJ and the Washington field office of the FBI is that this place is the geography of rot. There is not political capture of the FBI in every corner of this country. It is New York. It is Washington, D.C., principally. Pelosi did authorizing the funding of a new FBI headquarters in the greater Washington area, larger than the Pentagon, is something that should concern you more than re-changing the carpets at the J. Edgar Hoover building. Frankly, I think a lot of these folks deserve to sit at the rat-infested J. Edgar Hoover building as long as necessary. But we certainly shouldn't be building the FBI, a Pentagon-sized facility to insource to the most corrupt geography in the world,

more of the work that actually would be legitimate to protect the American people that a lot of good folks are doing. Where is this building? It's the first I've heard of it. Oh, it's in, well, it's authorized and funded in the big omnibus legislation that Nancy Pelosi, the $1.7 trillion in spending that we talked about last time we were on the show, part of that was this massive facility for the FBI, and it's going to be out in northern Virginia. But right here within the northern Virginia, Maryland, D.C. swamp. Did they tell you what it's going to look like? Is it going to be a fortress? I don't care if it looks like

the Taj Mahal. I don't want to see that many billets here. I don't. I think that we saw inspector general reports of people in the media taking these FBI

agents out for tickets at sporting events, concerts, fancy meals in exchange for information. And that's just a way to smear people. I heard someone talking about the FBI and they had mentioned that the role of the FBI had gone from, and this was someone at one of the hearings, that the FBI's role had gone from being a law enforcement agency to being an intelligence agency. So that was the post-9-11 thing. That's a very astute observation because pre-9-11, the job of the FBI was to investigate these crimes that had occurred that had a multi-state feature to them that one jurisdiction couldn't handle with a higher degree of scale on technology and innovation

to be able to solve those crimes and to bring prosecutions. After 9-11, Bush goes to Comey and basically says, it's not enough to investigate crimes and bring prosecutions. We have to go and be predictive. We have to go and be an intelligence organization to stop things from happening in the future. And that resulted in a culture shift that a lot of the old-timers, the kind of Joe Friday types, resented. Yeah. How do we?

So what do you do? So how do you get the – because the whole culture there is of if it's a of an intelligence gathering agency that means that the the target is the american people it's the only target the fbi could have so then how do you change the culture i mean personally i'm for tearing the whole goddamn thing apart but like what do you do you know what do you do to to begin the process of trying to change the mindset of the fbi at the top level because it can't it's not going to happen if it's because you're talking about field offices it's not going to happen just at field offices it has to be you know the people that are working at the at the at the jagger hooper building you

know so what do you do I think decentralizing the human resources would have a forcing function of decentralizing some of the power. And frankly, where they have authorities, where they've used them time and again to institute political enforcement, we need to curtail those authorities. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act,

702 authority, has caught a number of Americans in a dragnet that doesn't end run around our Constitution. And so that is an authority that I think needs to be curtailed. You know, they have a foreign-influenced task force and what I've observed is that this foreign influence task force operated for the Bidens a lot like they said the plumbers operated for Richard Nixon and they'd go remember they would they would refer to the plumbers during Watergate no who was old enough to remember and and when you've got folks whose job it is to go find the derogatory information about you and to

extinguish it, and when those people are wearing FBI badges and can arrest people and coerce people, it's a concerning thing. And that is going to be central to a lot of the investigative work we do over these two years, are those specific folks. Not all of them still work for the federal government, so they can be subject to congressional subpoena a little easier. Does it take the Republicans and the populist Republicans in particular controlling the Senate, the House, and the presidency to think

that anything can get done? On some things, that's the case. I was particularly thinking about the FBI here. They're telling me to back off the mic. Back off, bro! No, that's not the issue. So basically what happened was... I thought we were too soft. The soundboard just randomly stopped working.

I went to Deep State, honestly. They must have come in and somehow got it. Everything was set up and it was working. We were just sitting waiting. And then around like 7.30, all of a sudden, we're watching the soundboard just go off. And so we're like, okay, we have no idea what happened. So then we did this duct tape solution, and it worked.

We did a sound check. Then we go live, and all of a sudden it just dropped again. And we're like, gain sounds way too high. But it's not. The gain's not even up. The board may be failing in real time. Maybe that's it. Yeah, I have no idea.

But what if it's failing in real time? How do we solve this FBI thing? I'm not like the kind of guy that's like, cut the head off the thing. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act. Repeal Obama. Repeal the Patriot Act. I would like those things to be repealed. I just feel like trying to slice it open is just going to kill everything.

So, like, how do you peacefully? I would reject that premise. I think that you actually have to slice it open. And I think that you've got to go through the authorized and unauthorized activities programmatically. And you have to observe what is the really important stuff. And there is that. You know, there are cybercrime divisions at the FBI that get people's money back for them when they're the victims of some Chinese phishing attack in their email. And, like, those people are patriotic Americans. The problem is an increasing amount of this intelligence gathering got weaponized politically.

And, frankly, you go back to the founding of the FBI, they were pretty political. They were just going after leftists. They were going after Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. and Marcus Garvey. And when Obama was president, they did a terrific job of vertically integrating their HR. And they got a lot of talented activist leftists into the system, into middle management, and now those people are kind of running the place. I think the audio is fixed. Oh, good.

Mostly at least. What? It's a Capitol Hill miracle. Was it way better? I'm just taking my time. I'm sorry. I was like, you know, whatever. How do you define leftists? Well, I think that those who believe in government control as opposed to those who believe in control democratized among the people. That's always what my dad told me about the difference between the right and the left. He said, son, the left

believes in the power of government to solve people's problems, and we believe in the power of people to solve their own problems. I think that at the political compass, there's the left and the right, and then there's the authoritarian and the libertarian. And I feel like the authoritarian, like, so up on the political compass is, like, I want the government to take care of it.

But I could be, like, a leftist libertarian, where I'm, like, do whatever you want. Where are those people? Those people used to... That's, like, the Glenn Greenwalds, right? Would you put him... I think so. He's a traditional liberal, where they used to be a center-left base. That's essentially what you're describing, like a classical liberal who believes in open flow of information for exchange of ideas.

The reason left libertarians are so rare is because the best way to describe a left libertarian is a hippie on a farm. He and his friends are sitting around, and then he comes in one day, and he's like, hey, guys, I grew some watermelons. Do you want to share them? And they're like, yeah, and they break it and share it, and they're like, anybody can come and go as they please. We're all here, and we all work together, and it only really works when you have a group of people who are socially cohesive and morally cohesive. It doesn't scale up at all, so there's no large organizational left libertarianism. It's not possible. The right libertarianism finds it through capital, through trade. They agree, don't hurt me, I won't hurt you. Everything's going to be voluntary trade. But if you're going to do community-oriented stuff, it has to be through moral agreement, which is almost impossible

and only really works when you have like 20 people. So you're not going to see a lot of them. Do you think libertarianism only functions if the society is cohesive in general? I'll put it this way, and a question for you, Matt. Maybe you agree. I believe that if every—I'll be as offensive as I can about it for the atheists on the left. I believe that if every single person in this country was a devout Christian, church-going, God-fearing, you would need no laws and no police. You would have them already. And the people would believe in adherence to those laws in the absence of government

because they would believe in that which is stronger, more powerful, and above government. And then what happens is as you get... By the way, that essentially was the government in the founding days of American life. James Madison said the same thing. But I'm not saying literally we should be a Christian theocracy in any way.

I try to say that in the most shocking way to the atheist as possible. If every single person in this country was woke, you also would not need police because you'd have woke activists going around enforcing these things by choice without pay. There wasn't a lot of freedom in the Chaz.

That's right. Some people died. They had freedom to do that apparently and then no accountability. But when you get a group of people that all agree with the same thing, instantly the moral foundations kick in. The problem is it doesn't scale up. So you end up needing some kind of law enforcement apparatus. Then you need police. Then you need jails. And as you bring in more opposing moral ideologies, you will need more police. As your society grows bigger, you will need more laws. And then I think it eventually just implodes.

Well, no, no, you got this all wrong because the Silicon Valley Bank says that the way to success is a commitment to increasing racial, ethnic, and gender representation. Ah, that worked out really well for them. Yeah. I mean, this is a message from their CEO on their website. And you can actually go download their DEI reports so that you can see how focused and committed they are to DEI investments. And you can go and see all that they're doing to achieve their carbon neutrality by 2025, which is very likely at this point. I would bet on the Silicon Valley Bank achieving total carbon neutrality very soon. So way to go. For the record, SVB is in a financial free fall. It's a bank in California that just went under,

essentially. I mean, I don't know. It is more than that. It is the financial wing of Silicon Valley. I mean, this is one of a top 20 bank in the country and over like 96% of all the deposits aren't insured. How familiar are you with the topic? Do you? Yeah. They're not insured? Not there because the deposits are among all of these Silicon Valley firms and individuals and businesses.

They, they, they are not insured at the, you know, they're not like, they don't have the FDIC. Yeah. Over 90% of the money in that bank isn't coming back. But it's not just that. FDIC only insures up to, I think, 250 per signatory. Yeah. And so if you're one person, this is the craziest thing. If you're in your business with one bank, you're in trouble. Because if you've got five accounts one let's say one is your like general payroll expenses one is equipment and you separate them in a certain way it's only 250 that's it so if that bank goes under your business no longer exists and they're gonna cut you out a quarter million dollars depending on the size obviously but I'm saying if you're Silicon Valley and you got $15 to $50 million, all gone.

All gone. The calls for the Silicon Valley Bank bailouts will be coming soon. Already, Andrew Yang has called for the federal government to backstop Silicon Valley Bank to save the industry. Yang already. Where would we be if the CEO

wasn't so focused on diversity, equity, inclusion inclusion in ESG? Who's going to fund this if not the American taxpayer? Yeah. Let me step out in a – Ian can pop out. Either way, you want to come in? We've got to have both you guys talk about January 6th, man.

Yeah, yeah. I'll step out. You want to step out for a minute, and then I'll – No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Tim, do you have the authority? No, he wants to step out. All right. I'll be back.

He'll be back. What's up, dude? Yeah, hop on in, man. Good to see you you do you want to introduce yourself for everybody who's listening yeah i'm dan bishop i represent eighth district from north carolina right on so uh good to see you man we got some news on january 6th or we want to wait for matt to come back i'm good i think you know nobody replaces matt gates no i guess he's a firebrand. What happened to him? That's what I was going to say.

Only Tim Kast and firebrand would have kept me in Washington for another night. Oh, right on, man. I appreciate it. Matt was saying that the final vote was at 10 a.m., so everybody flew home. Yeah. But Dan was down. He didn't want to leave. We're doing some work.

So what did you guys do today? You know, we went over. Gosh, you know, Matt can describe this so much better than I can, but we went over to this other nondescript building where the congressional offices have space, and we kind of rifled through the January 6th committee documents. I'm going to step out. Matt, I want you and Matt to talk about this a little bit. Matt can tell us. Matt's back. Come on, Matt. Can you get around behind out. I want you and Matt to talk about this a little bit. Matt's back. Come on, Matt. Can you get around behind you?

All right, Matt. So you've got some secrets, some breaking news? Well, here's the news we've got for you. Everyone has been appropriately focused on these videos that Tucker Carlson's been releasing

from January 6th, but Dan and I got to thinking, there was a lot of paper created during this investigation. The subpoenas, the demands for records. It showcases the strategy of how the January 6th committee would go after a target. Who was working with them? Who did they hire to collaborate on this project? It's about 2 million documents. And I think as far as I know, Dan and I are the first Republican lawmakers to actually go and spend an extended period of time going through this information. And here's what we can tell you about it. It's not disorganized. I kind of expected on the way out the door, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger might have just opened their binders and thrown everything into a giant bin, shaken it a few times and said,

here are your documents. And you know what? This will drive you crazy. Every committee in Congress gets to define what a committee record is and what has to be maintained. So if they wanted to, the January 6th committee could have said, you know what, the committee records are the public transcripts of our hearings, and everything else we're destroying. And we would have had no paper trail. But interestingly enough, they kept not all, but almost all of the outgoing paperwork product that they had developed. The letters that they'd sent people, the documents they'd requested, the subpoenas they drafted. So all this outgoing, the way that they would target

not just you, but your internet service provider. They'd go to your telecom company, Verizon. They'd go to your bank. And we saw enormous collaboration between some of these Fortune 100 companies, financial institutions, Alphabet, and the January 6th Committee, eager to turn over the private information of individuals. Are these digital files? These were hard paper files that we observed. Now, we're... What do you mean? You're manually turning pages?

Absolutely, yeah. Oof. There's about 80 sort of small boxes of stuff, and some of it's public reports that Matt made mention of, but there's some interesting stuff in there. But here's what's missing. What's missing is all the paper that was supposed to come back. You see, all this outgoing was supposed to generate lists of people's emails,

texts, and we were able to review some of what came back as a consequence of those results. But there is a huge dearth there. They chose to get rid of some of those records and some others we're going to chat about. I'd be interested, obviously I have a personal stake, but how they discussed the media, independent media that have been talking about it. For me, it was Raskin, who it's funny because he reps the district right next to where we work out of. And some of our employees are in his district. And he took a clip of me reading a Fox News headline and played it alongside someone calling for kicking in the doors or a red wedding. And it's me being like, Donald Trump says there's going to be a wild night.

Well, you know, maybe he's right. I mean, his supporters are pretty angry. And then he makes it seem as he says these people were calling for it. I'm curious to see if behind the scenes they were targeting independent commentators, social media personalities. I assume the answer is yes. They are the masters of the smear. Oh, yeah. They always get their man that way. And, you know, we'll see what, there's some other, there's some interesting, Matt sort of alluded to it. There's, there are interesting pointers in the papers that we saw

to finding some other stuff. It could be the mother load. Well, and another thing I learned going through the January 6th committee's work product is that there is a value at times to a subpoena, even if you aren't seeking information back as a result of that subpoena. An example is how they dealt with social media companies. Imagine being a social media company and getting subpoena and demand saying, show me everything you're doing to get these extreme views off of your platform. Show me everything you're doing to stop the next insurrection. Show me everything you're doing to look at the profile of people who support building the wall and election integrity and

the Second Amendment and let us know that you're actually being good corporate citizens. You see, that's not a subpoena intended to actually get usable information back. It's coercive in nature. And they were using those tactics. And the level of detail and vertically integrated subpoena strategy was exquisite. Let me give you an example, Tim. They subpoenaed the catering company for this building that we are in right now for January 5th and January 6th to see like if you had people over on January 5th, how many cupcakes were delivered that night? And what does that say about how many people were in a meeting in your office? So can you release these documents to the press? Well, we observed them and went through them today with the permission of the House Administration Committee. They are the committee with

jurisdiction over the records of the House, and they're working to get this digitized. They have had a very pro-transparency outlook. But we are, our patience is not one of our virtues. It's March, and we need to start getting to this information, analyzing it, seeing how Americans were targeted. Dan and I are very focused on our work on the weaponization subcommittee. And I believe the January 6th committee was a weaponized utilization of the American government against our people. And actually, it spawned activity from the Department of Justice that I remain concerned about to this day. I'm just going to come out and say I think sometimes you guys, maybe because you have to, give a little bit of the benefit of the doubt to some of your Democrat colleagues. Because you have to, I'd imagine. Me, I'm under no such constraints, and I think they're evil people.

Maybe you wouldn't go as far. But the idea that they had access to this footage that wasn't released, that some of these defendants never got access to it. They tried claiming the defendants did, but they didn't. And it shows a very different picture. The fact that Tucker Carlson, in his report, when he came out and showed the video of Chansley calmly walking through with police trying to open a door for him, the first thing Tucker Carlson did in that report was show the violence and said, we've all seen the violence and the vandalism because we've been shown it nonstop, but here's what you didn't see. What did the Democrats and the media do in unison right away? Said he cherry picked. He. He cherry-picked and he lied, and he didn't show the violence.

Because they know their audience will never actually watch a full Tucker segment where he does first and foremost say, yes, there's violence. That's exactly right. I'm sorry, I think it's evil. They've done evil. There's no question about it. If we did that, there would be actions to take our law licenses away in North Carolina and Florida. If we went out there to spur criminal prosecutions and purposefully withheld material evidence,

certainly if we did it in a court of law. They distorted evidence repeatedly during the course of the January 6th things. I mean, you remember Jim Jordan's tweet where they took it. He had quoted something that was quoted. They took the quotes off and made it as if it were Jim Jordan's statement. There was nothing wrong with the statement particularly anyway, but it put words in his mouth that didn't exist. They did that stuff over and over again. I was thinking of going to Raskin's office after I saw he did this.

But, you know, I've got to tell you, when he played that clip of me, I had people I know who urban liberal liberals in chicago and it was a red pill moment for them because they were like my parents were watching this they saw this clip i saw that and i immediately was like that's tim pool they're like like he's like a like a boring fence sitter guy that's messed up and it immediately said to them like something's not right with this picture yeah so all of a sudden i get these these liberals that i know being like i'm not questioning what happened after i saw that and i actually wrote an op-ed for newsweek because newsweek reached out to me and they were like we're familiar with their content this doesn't seem to make sense so that was a mistake they smeared too hard and look i isn't i'm personally biased you get accused of being a left-wing

radical and a right-wing radical on like a weekly basis. Isn't that kind of your thing? So in the early days, I'm the milquetoast fence-sitter. That's the gag. I'm like, well, you know, and I still – I put it like this. You're an extreme moderate. You're a moderate rebel. Maybe like all those moderate rebels in Syria we've been giving ours to.

I'm going to – I'm just going to say it. Reality has a right-wing bias these days. That's the old joke from Colbert. Reality has a left-wing bias these days. That's the old joke from Colbert. Reality has a left-wing bias. I guess that's what he said all those years ago. But the conversation that we're having right now isn't based on our views on policy. I'm not here discussing with you pro-life, pro-choice, tax policy, flat tax, progressive tax. We're talking about the facts of January 6th, information that was withheld.

And that makes you right-wing. The funniest thing about this modern political landscape is I'm right-wing because I supported the narrative that conservatives were facing undue censorship on social media, which is so, it's so confirmed now that you have the attempt to smear Matt Taibbi as a so-called journalist who's this like long-standing liberal award-winning journalist for 30 years they're calling matt taibbi a right winger you've seen you've seen people call him a right-wing you know journalist they like i've seen it the democrats attacked him with gusto yeah well i mean that's played it in some of your

that was an embarrassment to be honest with you. The fact that the Democrats were trying to get the journalists to give up their sources and trying multiple times over and over. And honestly, there's part of me that thinks that they didn't realize, as if they didn't possess the cognitive octane to actually understand that they were trying to get them to give up their sources. They didn't understand the context, and it was painful. A couple of them lack the octane. Yeah, a couple. There's multiple layers to this, right? The initial layer is you're watching Democrats

attack a longtime Rolling Stone journalist and a guy who's waving his hand saying, I voted for Biden. I am not part of Hillary Clinton's so-called vast right-wing conspiracy. And I think that's easy to absorb. But I think the additional layer to it is how comprehensive the censorship industrial complex is. That's what I really want people to take away from this, that this isn't like, you know, a few bad actors in one agency. This is enterprise-wide in government. The Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the Department of Justice, even the post office has a covert program to monitor the political views of people on social media. And so we got to get our head around that. And rather than patting ourselves on the back for holding hearings about it, we have to use this process to inform how we fund the government. And one of the things Dan and I

fought really hard for during the speaker's race was to have individualized assessments of these agencies. And it sounds dorky and wonky, but I am tired of voting on some multi-thousand page bill that spends over a trillion dollars that funds the government for the entire year and you don't get to say okay at a programmatic level here in dod fbi how do we excise that out exactly there's there should be lying vetoes what's that there should be lying vetoes like there should be oh why not in veto yeah absolutely i i would enthusiastically support that under any president, Republican, or Democrat. Do you have that in North Carolina?

No. They're digitizing the January 6 files. Is there a capability or is there a security risk? Can this be released to the public? Maybe the answer is more of a Twitter file style approach where some journalists can come in, go through it with you guys, and then redact for security issues, things that might put people in harm's way, but get this information out to the American people. So as to the, I favor more disclosure across the board. I think that's the,

one of our biggest problems, you talked about evil and you talked about Democrats evil. We're talking about a bigger evil and this is spread across all these government departments working together with these, with academicsacademics and so forth that Matt was talking about. But yeah, I think they thrive in secrecy. And that is a general proposition. Can these things all be released? There are some things we saw in there I'm not sure could,

a few items, but most of it should be. Why not let you see? You ought to see what this committee of Congress decided they could go do, pick a target. Maybe I'll take their name off. We showed the bank, and as Matt was saying earlier today, they picked a target, and then they went and figured out all their finances. They went and figured out all their means of communication. They figured out all their means of movement.

It is otherworldly. And you can't believe that kind of thing goes on in the United States. The way to stop it is for people to know that it happens. And I should clarify, too, I suppose, there were Republicans on that panel. I mean, not the Republicans anyone actually wanted to be on that panel. In name, yeah. But you had Kinzinger and Cheney who, you know, exactly, in name. And as far as anyone was concerned, they were effectively Democrats.

But that really says a lot about it. Well, one thing I noticed was that the Republicans had extraordinary influence over the committee. We got into some of the House of Representatives to gaslight all these subpoenas, to torch Americans, to smear them. And they were assembling people, not from the traditional group that you would think for congressional staff, but they were finding sharp-toothed lawyers in the Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, high-end state attorney's offices. They were finding people all over the country. They were bringing high-end left-wing talent in to operationalize that force.

All right. I'm going to ask you guys the hard question, I suppose. Where's the Committee on Far Left Extremism, Antifa? We talk about January 6th and the unjust actions that were taken for a lot of these people. Look, some of these people, I think, were violent, should be criminally charged. You know, like I said, Tucker shows the violent footage. But just in this past week, in the past few months, we've had, we had a group of 150 far-left extremists break into a government compound, a facility in Georgia, firebomb buildings and equipment.

Some of these people were not from this country. One of them was a lawyer for the Southern Poverty Law Center. The Southern Poverty Law Center admitted it and said that, oh, he's a legal observer. And then the spokesperson tweets out a hashtag in support of the terrorists. These people have been charged with domestic terrorism. How is it that the entire cycle, the news cycle, I understand the media is going to ignore it, but where are we in terms of putting together the Select Committee on Far Left Extremism? How about we have the May 29th insurrection panel, the Select Committee on 529,

and we can talk about the far left extremists who tore down the barricades of the White House, firebombed a guard post, set fire to St. John's Church, injuring, I think, around 70 to 100 police officers, forcing the president into a bunker. How about we bring cops in to testify on that, cops who were injured, we bring in witnesses and journalists, and we put all of that on the record so i'm here for it understand though remember that in a lot of ways the two parties do the same thing in washington and so the only reason we have a select committee on the weaponization of government is because when matt and i said we're going to negotiate over who gets to be the speaker we're not just going to cast votes just because 180 of the Republican members say we're going to do it. That was great, by the way.

Well, I mean, you know, the first couple days it wasn't so great. But, I mean, for us. But I thought it was important to do. So did Matt. We stuck to our guns. That's really the first time people have – there have been a lot of coup efforts, I guess you'd call them if you want to call it that. I wouldn't use that word. That's a bad term. That's what they call it. A friend of ours in Congress called it

multiple coup efforts against the, you know. They call us the Taliban 20. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is the coolest nickname I've ever been a part of. Crenshaw said we were legislative terrorists. But that was, it was we stuck to our guns. And part, and a very material part of the agreement that we, in fact, I negotiated the authority for that subcommittee myself.

And so these aren't easy to get in the sense that a lot of people want to ignore stuff and don't want to do it. The question will be to what extent were U.S. taxpayer dollars used to try to fuel some of those groups through NGOs, through a lot of this diversity, equity, and inclusion funding that we do. I think we got our next guest here, man. All right. Want me to bounce first, Steve? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll rotate down and let the honey badger join us. So I think the mics, I see people saying pull the mic back. I pushed the mic way back because it looks like they're very sensitive. On top of them or something? I guess they're picking up too well now.

Okay. Of course. Right, right. It was like really quiet. We're like trying to get close to them. We're like, pull away, pull away. Gotcha. But is that...

Joel, Steve coming in? Steve Bannon. You've got to get the Tim Kass vibe. You've got to get accustomed to the... To the what? To the vibe. Oh, the vibe. It is the vibe.

I blame the deep state for the audio problems. It happened last time? No, the last time we had the audio. I blame the deep state for the audio problems. Did it happen last time? No, the last time we had the audio problems. What up? Look at this. Steve Bannon. The honey badger in the Capitol. It doesn't get any better.

I've never met the man myself. Dan Bishop. How are you doing? An honor. Good to meet you, Steve. So we'll let Bannon get seated. We're talking about Dan and my trip to go through all of the January 6th committee documents. Adam Kinzinger was able to get –

They sent their two right guys. Well, we believe today was the first time that any lawmaker – You don't have to lean in so much. I think the mics are really sensitive right now for some reason. They said I was on top of the mic too much. Are you going to host and direct, too? Direct the whole thing? Yeah, the whole thing.

Absolutely. So here's what we were talking about, and I'm curious on your thoughts, Mr. Bannon. Some kind of Antifa committee or at least a component of exploring the far-left extremism we're actively seeing right now. I think we get two things out of it. One, accountability for what we saw in Georgia, what we saw in Portland, what we saw with Chaz and all that stuff. It's accountability. We could stop what's actively going on if we shine a light on it. We can get accountability for the past actions.

And then I think it might wake up a lot of Americans to the degree of violent extremism coming from the left that's not being portrayed in media. I think that's a great idea. I think what we need is to put all the effort into reconstituting a J6 committee and let them have a ranking member in a minority council and set it all up and go back to the beginning. I think this is one of the biggest things in the country, and I think you need top people like we have here on this committee. And all the information has got to come out on the intelligence services, on fbi everything what we knew what we didn't know all of it i mean tucker did a thing and don't get me wrong the antifas needed too but i only think we got so much bandwidth to do things and this is this is this has to be answered yeah it can't continue

on like it is you can't continue to rely on on guys like Tucker doing a heroic job with the 44,000. We need a formal investigation, a select committee if you have to, of major players in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, not like the show trial she had, but actually have a ranking member. So wait, you've said that a few times. And it is a decision point we are at right now because Democrats have used their presence in these transcribed interviews to obstruct the investigation, to try to deter whistleblowers, to smear patriotic Americans who joined the premier law enforcement agency in the world because they love our country as we all should. And I don't think they should get to participate anymore in those transcribed interviews if they are using that courtesy to try to do harm to the investigation. And you're saying bring them in, do to them better than they did us. I just think, look, I think in that regard, they play smash mouth. I think we have to start playing smash mouth, right? But I think you have to, if you don't constitute it where they get the information and are able to cross-examine witnesses, we're going to have the exact same show trial we had the first time. These are such deep issues that the American

people have to get to the bottom of this. This is like Watergate. This is like Iran-Contra. This is like the 9-11 Commission. You know, they always say it's like Pearl Harbor had seven different commissions, four of them in the Capitol, right? And they still never quite got to think, but they kept going over and over, because the American people deserve answers. We deserve, the American people deserve answers. Even if you guys, and I think there's enough tough guys like yourself that can get in there and make sure they're not leaking depositions, they're not playing games with the press, all of that. It's going to be tough, but it's, I think it's going to happen. One thing I found interesting when we went through the files today, they are incredibly well organized. And as it relates to outgoing documents,

they are almost completely complete. You can go through by name. You can pull the, I pulled the Charlie Kirk file and I saw the way that the Turning Point organization was targeted and is actually still being unfairly targeted. I pulled the Bernie Carrick file and saw the way they went after him. I pulled the Mark Short file and I saw how eager he was to cooperate and how even with friendly witnesses, they played this game with the subpoena nonetheless. But there was one file with no documents in it that I reviewed, and it was the Steve Bannon file. No documents. There was the Steve Bannon file.

They've taken it. It's waiting for me in federal prison for my four-month sentence, right? The warden will have it. I'm sure justice has it. In a circumstance where they were so meticulous to have everything indexed and included. And in almost every case, you saw a letter and light clockwork within 14 days, a subpoena that followed that letter. And nothing on the Bannon file. So it's empty?

It is empty. There's a file. We found the Steve Bannon file. There's nothing there. Man. Well, actually, not to get my trials in appeal, but I think if you did, it's not that what I want to do with J6, but there's no doubt that, to me, the general counsel for the committee perjured herself multiple times in my trial. To have a general counsel say, oh, I didn't know that was happening,

I didn't know, it beggars belief. It's incredible. Can you speakena this person? We are looking at the members and records, and I want to know how far they crossed the line when we exercise our subpoena power, because what I observed was that almost every week, the committee was sending out to Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, to Google Voice. Banks all over the country. Hey, all of these phone numbers, I want all of their records. Yes. All of these bank accounts, all these Amex cards, all the PayPal accounts people had, wanting all of the records. It was such a wide drag net, and I wonder whether or not some of these phone numbers are going to match up to members of Congress. Yes.

I wonder if they're going to match our staffs. It was interesting to see that the subpoenas depicted there must have been some very good conversation going on between big tech companies, big telecom companies and the committee because the committee would send out a subpoena to the banks and it would

ask for these internal file numbers of the bank and they'd give like 30 file numbers. Oh, they'd already had – Which they'd obviously already given. But they nonetheless then subpoenaed it and got it. But that kind of relationship is pretty huge. But that – even of itself, even if you don't reconstitute the committee, which I strongly recommend you guys do,

just to put that in front of the American people of how gun-decked this thing was, right? How organized it was with these parties. But what Tim is saying is that we need to pick up these tools and use them to deconstruct what is a dangerous weaponized left. 100%. Well, so for one, I'm fascinated by the fact that we have active Antifa terror, right? You know, I hate to say Antifa.

It's far left. It's a plethora of groups or whatever. Actively firebombing houses. They flipped a guy's truck over. Random guy. Flipped this truck over, set it on fire. They shot a cop. This is escalating.

A French and a Canadian guy were involved. NGO lawyer was involved. So we have that actively happening. But I do agree, I think. For one, i think the american people aren't being told what's going on because it's being ignored by the press because it's bad for them they want to side with their audience and i think we can force them to cover it if we had some kind of hey look we're going to do the same thing at the same time i'd love it if

you guys subpoenaed ray epps i don't know that would have to be part of it that i think you have to use the facial uh recognition and go to the dhs and go you have to be part of it. I think you have to use the facial recognition and go to the DHS. You have to find out how many federal agents were there. Yes. There was obviously federal agents. You have to have to. I mean, my point is you have to go back to the beginning and find out what people knew. I had Chris Miller, the acting Secretary of Defense at the time.

He was on the show. He had a book came out. It's 300 pages long, 20 pages deal with this situation. I think I'm the only guy who read it because he's got explosive stuff. He, as Secretary of Defense, couldn't get anybody organized, an FBI or just anything, to even have a meeting to plan on security. He just keeps watching TV. So he finally called, and they would meet on Sunday afternoon before the Tuesday,

I think January 2nd or 3rd. He has a Zoom call. Now, this is the acting secretary of defense. He's got the FBI, DOJ, all of it. And they're sitting there going, yeah, we have intelligence. There's going to be 35,000 people there. And he goes, gosh, they had a million in November 12th. They had 75,000 on the 14th.

Hey, they said, oh, we've done this. We've got intelligence, 35,000. And he goes, well, you know, can we help? Can we got until 35 000 and he goes well you know can we help can we get troops can we get national guard i can get all the stuff and the any and he was told no the dc metro and capitol hill police can handle up to a million protesters and and and it's fine and that won't be that'll be fine and he says well how many mary bowser the finally asked for 325 national guard which he deployed, to Andrews Air Force Base. Wouldn't even let him in the Pentagon.

Didn't want him in the city. Andrews Air Force Base, which is 45 minutes away in traffic. He goes to the White House the next day for Trump on another separate meeting. And Trump's sitting there, and it's another man. I think they're going to pull the troops out of Korea. So he's leaving, and Trump goes, hey, are you ready for tomorrow? And he goes, well, I think we are, sir. He says, what are you doing? He says, well, we've had this big meeting and I've got 325 troops that are going to go to Andrews. And Trump goes, no, you're going

to need 10,000. You should call up 10,000. It's in the book right there. He says, Trump said, you're going to need 10,000. You should get them up. And he should pre-station them. He says, well, they don't want it. The mayor doesn't want it. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want it. Nobody wants it. To what degree? Nobody in the country knows that. That's why the committee, you go back to the beginning. The committee didn't put it in the report, but they had their chief

investigator go to NBC after the things closed up and puts the information out about the government that agencies did know all was going to happen and that they didn't. So I want to ask you steve to what degree do you believe that this was either uh let to happen by the federal government or actually incited by the federal government themselves well the war room agents of the war room as you know is right in back of the supreme court you know we're like a block away.

And I found it stunning on that day. I never left the war room. Did the morning show, got rid of the afternoon show. But guys told me they had basically deployed the Capitol Hill police in the bike racks. There was nothing there. And I just found that to be stunning, given the fact that people knew it was going to be a big march, et cetera. So I don't know. It's all speculation. What I'd like to get is the facts in front of – and let the Democrats cross-examine guys.

Let them see the stuff. I'm sure they're going to leak some stuff. But if you got – even if you got some of the original J6 people back up there and cross-examine them, cross-examine – like the Hutchison, cross-examine these people under penalty of perjury, you might get some very different stories. And I think that's necessary because I think Trump was smeared, you know, soup to nuts in this thing. Yeah, I think that there's a criminal acuity that may have been increased by some of these FBI assets. And here's the incentive structure that creates that. We were talking earlier in the program about how the FBI changed in culture to an intelligence collection organization.

And so what they would do is they would seed assets into a lot of these groups that they thought were dangerous, the three percenters, the proud boys, the oath keepers. And then the incentive structure for that person informing back to the FBI is for that group to seem as significant as possible. And so, you know, do I believe that Christopher Wray was giving an order to somebody wearing a federal badge to commit a crime on that day? No, but I think they created an incentive structure where some of their assets, confidential informants, confidential human sources that were baked into these groups tried to facilitate and encourage a higher level of criminal acuity. And by the way, it's unreasonable to think that because that's what we saw in the Whitmer

case. You've covered, exactly. You've covered Michigan better than anybody. And that's exactly what the Whitmer case is. It's a perfect example. And that, and by the way, many people in the Whitmer case at the senior levels were here. It just looks like it was a, it was bloody Kansas to the Civil War. It was kind of the preamble, the microcosm of the thing itself, right? Like a trial balloon.

I don't know, and the country doesn't know. And the very special agent in charge who ran the Whitmer investigation in Michigan ends up in the Washington field office. And if you look at the deposition of Ray Epps and you compare it to, I mean, they're trying to guide his testimony. It's just, it beggars belief there's not something there. And you need a formal process. All I'm saying is go back to what Congress really does well, to have these big, complicated special committees where you got Watergate, the Pearl Harbor Commission, the 9-11 Commission, the Commission on a 2008 Financial Crisis, and it's always the same cookie cutter. That's what they

had. It's one of my appeals. One of the big fights was not just executive privilege, but also about the construction of the committee. And it came down to one word, shall versus will. And we're going to appeal that because the committee was, you try to put up Jordan and Banks, she said no. And then McCarthy made a decision, just let it go, and they never had a ranking member. And most importantly, never had a minority council, saw the the evidence and never got to cross it

can you imagine what j6 would be like that show trial they did cross-examining these witnesses would you have ever lost a case if there wasn't an opposing lawyer i mean i i i would be undefeated in the practice of law there was no opposing There are always the war stories about losing the unopposed motion to extend time. Right. But no, that really didn't happen very often. A client who represents himself, what is it, a man who represents himself as a fool for a client? Yeah. Yeah, you're going up against a pro and you don't know what you're doing.

One of the things that makes me a bit more conspiratorial on January 6th, but I won't say into knowing, just I have questions, is if someone came to me and it was – let's say I was working for like a shadowy organization and deep intelligence or whatever, and they said we need to guarantee that Donald Trump wins his reelection. show up on May 29th, you let them win. You let them tear the fences down. You let them burn the church down. Then you will have two years of nonstop coverage of the far left terror attack that ransacked and destroyed Washington D.C., destroyed an iconic church, forced the president to do a bunker and breached the White House. And then January 6th happened. And I'm like, how about that? When the protesters came to D.C. They took your idea.

That's what you're saying. It's not so much my idea. They followed that course. That's what it seems like because after what happened on May 29th i mean you had what was it like i mean hundreds of thousands there's photos of an aerial photo of dc with smoke rising up they set fire to saint john's church a historic church but trump stopped it trump and bar stopped it and it wasn't even the most brutal crackdown i've ever seen in terms of protests in the United States. They put their shields up and marched them out. I think it was Bill Barr's best moment. But here's the thing.

Media attacked them for stopping it, right? Exactly. They said it was a brutal— Deploy tear gas. They brutalized people who were protesting. Trump retreats to the bunker and says, I was just checking it out, and the media mocks him for it. But imagine what would have happened if the video footage was far leftists ripping down the fences in front of the White House, and the next day Trump came out and didn't take a picture down the fences in front of the White House and the next day Trump came out

and didn't take a picture with a Bible in front of the standing church. He took a picture with police officers and firefighters in front of an iconic historic church that was burnt to the ground by Antifa. That's psyops. That's understanding the game. Trump, I believe, I believe is a true believer.

I believe the people he brought on, for the most part, not everybody, they're thinking like, hey, we got to stop these extremists. Let's do our job. But then you look at the people who are more nefarious and more evil, and they say, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let them in. Then you get these videos coming out now of Chansley. The cops are walking

with him. They try to open one of the doors. But they don't show us that stuff. I don't buy the theory at all. I don't think Bill Barr did a terrible job. There were no Tiger teams set up in any of those cities, Portland or any of them, to go with special prosecutors that would flood the zone and start indicting people and arresting people. I think the Justice Department was terrible the entire time. I agree. You disagree? No, I was

facetiously saying Bill Barr's finest moment was Lafayette Square. I'm a Bill Barr critic. I think Bill Barr was mostly a clown. Mostly a clown. They didn't set up any special prosecuting units. They didn't flood the zone to Chicago, to Portland, to Seattle, anything. No, his best moment was Lafayette Square. His second best moment was the bagpipes. Everything else was downhill from there. No, no, no. I agree with that.

And Lafayette Square, by the way, after the photo op is when, quite frankly, the coup really started. As Esper says in his book, he went back and talked to Milley because the media got on him. And that's when they made an agreement that they would control Trump. They wouldn't let Trump get out of control. To me, they should have resigned. With their honor, they should have gone and resigned. To me, that is an absolute coup when they made decisions and made decisions later on about who they were going to talk to and other militaries, et cetera. It didn't go either direction, I suppose I should say.

The 529 insurrection, as I like to call it, was shut down, and there was some damage, and they got mocked for it. But when it came to Chaz and the attempts at these autonomous zones, there was nothing. So, I mean, you have an opportunity to either show the people you're shutting down, and we call it the summer of love, because the riots were the worst we've seen in 50 years. Who was the – Michael Tracy did reporting, I believe. Michael Tracy is his name? He did the reporting. I don't think you can get there.

I don't think the country actually wants to revisit that. I'll be blunt. I think you have to – if you want to get there, I think it needs to be done. We need to go back to that summer and all those riots and get to the bottom of it, particularly in this city, but other cities. We're not there. I think you've got to start. Listen, Kamala Harris, they just said the bottom of, particularly in this city, but other cities. We're not there. I think you've got to start. Listen, Kamala Harris, they just said the other day, walked up and they compared her to Pearl Harbor in 9-11.

They say Pearl Harbor, 9-11, and this. If it's at that level, it should have a formal investigation done the way that Congress has done them from over 200 years. And then once that's done, I think the American people, because look, 4 million people watched Tucker the other night, and they're in shock, and we only got one night of footage in the QAnon shaman and some things like that. What happens if you guys had several, you know, eight weeks to prepare teams on it and gave the Democrats so they could cross examine? It would be galvanizing TV, first off. It would be the number one show in the country. I don't know why we don't have a vehicle to do that now. I don't know why that couldn't be done

under the select subcommittee on weaponization. Isn't that weaponization of government? I think, or oversight or whatever. You guys pick it, but to me, I don't know why it's not happening. The J6 thing is going to be a festering sword there for the country. And then I think in the process of doing it, they're going to go, wow, what about these other things? What about this? Well, it is a balance, Steve, because I think one of the mistakes Democrats made in our hearing this past week was exclusively focusing on the past. They wanted, Dan Goldman wanted to relitigate the Russia hoax. They wanted to relitigate the

Ukraine impeachment. And we're talking about the type of society with a free exchange of ideas that we want to be able to preserve for the next generation. And I think we have to balance the need for justice and preservation of civil liberties with a vision. But I think the vision going forward, Congressman, is the following. I think people would be absolutely shocked when Congress got to the bottom of what was the intelligence of the intelligence community, does DHS actually have a domestic intelligence unit? And were there federal assets and officers involved there? That would shock the country. And going forward, we say we're not going to do this anymore.

The New York Times already reported it. This is our paper of record, as you like to say on the war room. Beloved paper of record. Well, my recommendation is until we do that, until you have a formal investigation of J6, because look, Murdoch and these guys shut Tucker down. They shut him down. He's the biggest, most powerful. They didn't show any more footage. No.

And the next night, you could tell, you and I talked about it. They clearly put that show together at the last second. I mean, he had the Russell Brand thing from Tucker today. They had plug and play. He's got a lot more footage. A lot more footage appeared. A lot more footage. And they ran Russell Brand, which was a pre-recorded. Pre-recorded from the day of

an interview they did on a streaming show on Fox Nation. He maintained a brave front, but there was no more footage. No more original footage since the first night. They've had the mother of the QAnon shaman and the lawyers on that didn't get it. Steve, doesn't this footage have to be released to the country? I would think. And crowds crowdsource it i think you have to i think

the notion of a security of meaningful security risks is absurd these are people walk around the capitol every day people are taking pictures of of this building on a moment by moment basis so i think that's a red herring and And one thing I learned during the Russia hoax is that you've got to get information out. And we have all of these online sleuths that analyze and assemble and aggregate and promote. And it is a fool who believes that holding information in for the perfect titrated release is commanding the day.

Actually, we really ought to be judged on the volume of information we get before the American people. We did sit today at the terminals that have the videos that are all there. And I do not know how Tucker's staff were able to sit down at those three terminals and go through, what is it, 40,000 hours? Yeah. And a lot of it you can eliminate. Yeah, sure. But you get a map. You can see where all the cameras are.

You can drag the camera over. Are you the first two people of elected office actually to go and go through the files? We are, to my understanding, we are the first two Republican lawmakers that have had access to the full suite of files of the January 6th committee. Yeah, that's probably true. Can we get the footage to a different news organization if Tucker can't do it? You know, the speaker's call.

Well, McCarthy told Boyle, I mean, the Breitbart interview, he told Boyle in the first question, I'm going to release it. He says, I'm going to release all this. I'm going to release it all. Publicly, so it's going to be in an archive and we just download it? He said, I'm going to release it to every news organization, essentially. He's not going to hold it tight as soon as, I guess, Tucker's finished with this.

Obviously, some decision will be made shortly, right? But this all has to inform the appropriations process, though. What Dan and I worry about sometimes is that we're going to do all this legwork. We're going to expose these facts. We do not have the ability to put handcuffs on anybody. We don't have the ability to charge anyone with a crime. Any referral for criminal prosecution that we send to Merrick Garland is going to end up in the circular filing. Mark Levin told me, Mark Levin said on the stage of CPAC after your speech, we're not going to defund the FBI. We're not going to defund the

FBI. It's a ridiculous idea and we're not going to do it. We have to curtail the abused authorities, and then we have to drain the blood out of this place. And that is going to mean using a meat cleaver when approaching the FBI budget, not an exacto knife. I think that's exactly right. Do you get rid of the FBI? Maybe you don't get rid of the FBI, but can you not look at them and say they've got too much in the way of resources? They're too big. They're too omnipresent. I'm okay with it. Lay out your idea about breaking up the FBI under the authority of the U.S. Attorney's Office. I think another problem is obvious is that it's all this decision-making. That was the

Mueller change, right? I love Dan Bishop's idea. Mueller changed it into a centralized decision-making and intelligence-gathering organization. You need to decentralize it. You need to get rid of the Washington field office. You need to get rid of the Washington field office. You need to get rid of the executive power. You probably need to separate out any intelligence functions. Do you put the field offices under the U.S. attorneys?

That was my proposal. Let's let the U.S. attorneys be responsible for their investigators, which are the FBI. Your part of Florida and North Carolina are two of the most conservative parts of the country. What do they have? If you go back to them and talk about restructuring, dramatically restructuring and taking powers away from the FBI, what would they say? Standing ovations.

Look, I've done it. I do do that. And this is something that's very interesting to me. Coming to Washington, and I haven't been here, I've only been here four years almost. People out there, it's amazing. They're very well informed, and they are way ahead of Washington they are way ahead of understanding

what needs to be done and they're not shy about saying that so when Chip Roy talks about defunding woke and weaponized government in Washington I think there's a cheering section out there and it's really big I was particularly impressed with the

hearings with Big Tech when you had Matt Tybee being a so-called journalist, and you also had a woman who did not know what Substack or who Mr. Weiss was. And I thought to myself, did they do five minutes of Google prep before coming into this hearing? No, Sylvia Garcia is going to send a subpoena to find out exactly how high the Substack is. Not good. Well, I mean, how are we supposed to solve these problems when you've got people who come in clearly in bad faith with no knowledge and claim it's not happening, but I don't know what you're claiming is happening? You know what I mean? The question is, do they look like clowns to the country as much as they do to us?

I don't think it's any doubt. They're bound to. They're bound to. Because they're attacking. I mean, you can, look, I'm an older guy. Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger, everybody who's watching things, they know these guys are real guys. Taibbi and Andrew went at it every day, right?

That shows you how far the country's come, right? With Taibbi now being basically a witness for honesty and truth. And this thing's gotten out of control. To me, that was a huge moment. Of course, the mainstream media didn't want to touch it because he's a renowned guy, a guy with real credentials. I feel like the way I describe it is where this country is suffering from hypoxia. One hemisphere of this country's brain has been starved of oxygen. And when you are suffering from hypoxia, you cannot save yourself because you don't know. So they do these tests where they'll reduce the oxygen level in a hyperbaric chamber or something,

ask you math questions that people think they're answering right. When they turn the oxygen back up, they look at scribbles and chicken scratches and they're like, I thought I put the right answer down. I put the wrong numbers. How are we supposed to solve a problem when, you know, you ask if people see these people as clowns the same way we do? I don't think they do. I think they may be completely demoralized. No, you're too generous. Too generous.

Hypoxia isn't typically something that you do to yourself. I sometimes wonder with these folks, which stage of the ritualistic self-mutilation exercise are we in at this point? And especially, you know, on the war room, we talk a lot about China. And as I assess these Chinese capabilities that we allow into our country, like the balloon mania, I never really got because we got what one in every four Americans with TikTok on their phone we've got chinese surveillance equipment at almost every u.s port where they are able to get signals

intelligence on the entire supply chain of the united states we have rural america being connected by chinese technology we have u.s police stations flying chinese drones and we're going to get worked up over like 1950s technology. Everybody could see it. Right. Everyone could see it. So it was a sigh. I came on the war room the day after and said, I thought that was a total sigh. But a serious country would not do these things. A serious country would not allow what's happening on the border to happen. And one of the things that's frustrated Dan and I is that we've got some of these Republicans who will not vote for the legislation necessary to jam the Biden into a border strategy. And we have got to have a vote on Chip Roy's legislation to detain or turn away at the border.

And let the chips fall where they may. But we are hearing now that there are folks who say, oh, well, if it won't pass, we can't bring it to the floor because that would show weakness. No, you know what? It would show strength, the strength of our ideas. They say their concern is that it'll expose the people who vote against that to losing their seats. Why shouldn't we expose them to it? Have other people replace them. Look, you guys in four days did more for this country than has been done on Capitol Hill in 40 years. Bullshit, Steve. I will not take that praise because all we did was develop a toolbox.

But that's more than has been done. Yeah, but there's been all this adulation. Not just that. You galvanized everybody. Everybody was watching. It was the number one TV show. It galvanized the country. And people realized, you know, because you were so opposed by Fox

and everybody at first that you're not bringing the country together. You have to have unity, everything like that. And you showed exactly what the problems are and that you needed But it's not an end unto itself. It's not. The summit has not been achieved. No, no, no. I didn't say that. My point is that you guys always

have that weapon of how to take the magnificent six of the mighty 20 and do it and do it again you know you're gonna like you said the country is far behind far ahead of where the city is in this capital you guys have the people have your back you just have to be more aggressive on how you do it you can't there's no amount of aggressive action you can take in congress right now that will not be rewarded by people saying, I like these guys. I like what they said. Like your thing on Syria.

That – when you stood up and it was the Republican – it was the interventionist Republicans that looked idiotic because nobody actually heard a compelling case how, one, Congress has to get this power back. And number two, this is absurd of what we're doing. The neocon – this whole neocon you know trying to police the world that was a powerful moment you guys just need more and more and more i wouldn't pull punches you you you you you know you give mccarthy's guys some time but then you guys start and i think you're going to have more people up there realizing hey i got to be part of this team because we're not aggressive enough. I want to give a white pill, I guess, for all those who may be discouraged. I kind of feel like the position I've been in for a long time, as you're describing it, no more world police, I believe in securing our borders, bringing jobs back, bolstering the American people,

all that stuff. And I felt when I was younger that it didn't exist at all. It was the establishment neocons and it was the corporate neolibs. Now it feels like, as much as sometimes it feels like we're losing in some respect, this is actually the most I've ever seen in terms of real opposition to the machine, especially in Congress. The neoliberal neocon world order we've had since World War II is collapsing before our eyes, right? You can see that. It makes me smile. Well, chaos is going to, I mean, something's got to come out of this and it's whether it's the well chaos is going to i mean something's got to come out of this and it's going to be a not pleasant transition but from silicon valley bank right to what's happening in syria you've got the neoliberal part of capitalism that is collapsing

you've got this situation in ukraine and now you've got the ccp just cut a deal with iran and our great ally saudi arabia to Chinese currency, yuan, instead of petrodollars. The neoliberal, neocon world structure is collapsing before our eyes. And you never know where the next shock is going to come from. Silicon Valley Bank, Kramer was touting the stock a couple of weeks ago. Touting the stock as a go-long, as a buy a couple of weeks ago. No, too good. By the way, the company is out trying to raise a couple of billion ago. It's too good. No, too good. By the way,

the company's out trying to raise a couple of billion dollars a week ago. And this thing, you don't know where the contagion's going to be. It caught everybody's surprise. The California regulators

had to, I said today on the show at 10 o'clock, I said, this bank will not exist by the close of business. Now, what shocked me was that the California regulators

stepped in before the Fed because yelling these guys don't want this, such a bad narrative for them about what's happening to the bonds, the government securities, all of it. Such a terrible narrative. That in this thing, remember,

you're going to have a thousand great startups that are not going to make payroll next week and they're going to come right here. It's $169 billion in deposits are uninsured. They're going to come right to the Capitol next week and they're going to ask flying over East Palestine, Ohio, which never got a ballot,

and they're coming right here and say, guys, innovation, the guy said, we're going to fall behind China by a decade in innovation because the best startup companies we have, all bank here, they're not going to make payroll. It's going to collapse. 72 hours ago, we didn't know anything about this.

My point is that's the neoliberal neocon order is collapsing in front of you. So become a member at TimCast.com so that we can make payroll because I'm only half kidding, actually. Whenever this stuff hits, I mean, we see it. And we often see it first because what happens is when COVID first hit, all of these small businesses, the way ads work on YouTube, small mom and pop restaurant buys a couple hundred bucks in ads for the month that target their local area.

People will see it on Facebook or Instagram or something. But that all adds up. Our video plays in that area. It hits those ads. I would know, Tim. I've been banned on YouTube. That's right. On every platform.

How about you, Matt? Still on YouTube. By the way, I got banned on YouTube. That's right. On every platform. How about you, Matt? Still on YouTube. By the way, I got strikes on YouTube only when I would post my interviews on War Room. All of my strikes are War Room strikes. I want to say right now we are seeing ad rates dropping a lot. Really? Yes, a big time. We're seeing these layoffs in Silicon Valley.

Before SVB, this news came out, all the tech layoffs, I'm looking at our ad rates. So I'm just like, be a member because membership is a shield for us. And then with ads dropping the way they are this time of year, it feels like it's going to be a summer of very, very dark financial days. Now we're seeing this. Look, I don't want to say something that could precipitate it by encouraging people to panic or anything like that. I'm just saying I agree with you that the world is the neolive, neocon system is breaking apart. That means the night is always darkest before the dawn. I tell people to get some chickens and get some emergency food and learn how to take care of themselves.

I tell people the first thing is when a guy – look, this is madness. The economic system we have today is madness. When Biden sits there, when you look at the depression of working class people in this country, and they come up this week, everything we've been talking about, and they come up with a $6.8 trillion budget, not one cut to one program. In fact, the rate of increase, I think, is almost 6%, a 5.2% pay increase for federal employees. And across the board, they have at their own calculation what, $1.5 trillion deficits as far as the aggregate goes, the $3 trillion taxes, which my recommendation is the House should meet tomorrow and Saturday, the Republicans.

They should pass every tax increase they've got, all of them. Send it to the Schumer and the democrats and dare them to pass it you're gonna see what phonies they are because it's all their donors all the big hedge fund guys are are their donors all the billionaires all the billionaires are their donors those billionaires hate maga right and then and by the way schumer had the guts to do what you wouldn't do it biden would veto it because it's all his all his sponsors it's all in on i agree it's a wealth tax i'm not actually for repatriation. I'm for more than the wealth

tax. When you have one... Wealth tax? I'm more than that. I want the repatriation. Look, when you have 1% of the people, citizens, own more assets than the bottom 90, that system can't sustain itself. Agreed. If the revolutionary generation came back, they

would spit on the floor. They fought a revolution to get away from a landed aristocracy and the mercantilist system of the monopolies of the British East India Company and others like it. That's why John Adams and Sam Adams and Hancock were smugglers. The rest were smart lawyers. They said, we want our own deal. We're not going to do that. If they came back and said, you guys allowed this to devolve into an oligarchy? Are you kidding me? We're 1% of the people? This is exactly what they fought the revolution for.

I feel like among the elites, even among the revolutionaries, there was a sense of duty that was expected of the elites. And that's what we lack today. And I don't know how you reignite that sense of patriotism. I feel like I'm back in Iowa. I think the way you do it is what you guys did in the first week of January. Except continue it. But even that, when you had everybody in conservative media against you, when you had Fox News against you, we had, oh, it's unity and you guys are terrible guys. And I've got to tell you, we came close on that friday night at 10 o'clock

to total victory right it was that it was hung in the balance so it's it's i think people get patriotic when they see that when they see action they love their country go out in the hinterland in your constituents they're so far ahead of where we are it's not stupid they understand the details they understand what's going on because of shows like Tim Pool and so many other podcasts out there that get the information out to people and they're hungry for information. They will immerse themselves.

If you put up different links to go to, they will start. I give homework assignments over the weekend. People will read it and come back and will be informed and be asking questions in the chat rooms, etc. So people want the patriotism, the DNA of our revolution

is still with us. Right. It's still with us. Remember, there's only a third of the guys in the revolution on our side, right? There's a third Tories, a third of ourselves,

and a third in the middle. Like there always is to say, I'm going to see how this thing plays out. That's the resilience of the country. The resilience, exactly. They can take institutions over, but they can't really change that. People can step forward and do it, fix something when they're ready to do it.

It sounds like Occupy Wall Street. And I think the reason critical race theory. Occupy Wall Street had a lot of positive stuff with it before it went off the tracks. Listen, you can't have a system. It's just a ball to know a bunch of homeless people are fighting each other in tents. It turned into like a limo jungle. What were the good parts? No, no, the good parts is you can have this concert.

Listen, Obama, remember, Obama ran as an anti-war populist to defeat Hillary Clinton, right? Something Bernie Sanders didn't do in two shots on goal, okay? He ran as an anti-war populist. When he came in, he inherited this financial collapse and quite frankly did the neoliberal way to just flood the zone take the federal reserve's balance sheet put four trillion dollars on it flood the zone to boost up uh assets uh real estate and and stocks and bonds go to negative interest rates so the little guy gets screwed they did they debated it the the the minutes of the president of the governors of the Federal Reserve, Dick Fisher down in Dallas,

he walked through how you are doing this bailout on the backs of working class and middle class people who have no chance for capital formation. Their savings accounts, their checkings accounts, their money market accounts are going to have nothing. In 10 years from now, they're literally going to have nothing except what they work for, which we're taxing at essentially a 40% rate. They're going to have nothing. How long until we vote on the silicon valley bank bailout you think it'll be next week or do you think it'll be two weeks you know i gotta tell you something um i was i'm not so sure that they can do something like that i mean they got you know it's like you said well we have the tools or we're going to admire them we're going

to use them i don't think they can do i don't think they can do that. I don't think they can go bail out SBB. Dan Bishop predicts it on Tim Kastner. No vote on the Silicon Valley. No, no, no. But tell them how they're going to do it. They're going to use national security and they're going to use the deep state as the excuse. Gates nailed it today early in our show. They're going to say that this is the centerpiece of all these companies that are high-tech companies in Silicon Valley, all these companies that let us compete with the Chinese,

and if you don't let them make payroll next week, okay, it's going to collapse, and we're going to be a decade behind the CCP, and they're going to make it a natural. So what's the coalition of votes there? The Silicon Valley Democrats, led by Ro Khanna, the neoconservatives, led by the traditional voices of that movement in the House Republican caucus, and then the appropriators, because they always, you know, spending money is not typically something that's an affront to someone on the Appropriations Committee. Is that the coalition I see? That looks like 400 votes.

A lot more votes than I got on my resolution to pull out of Syria. I don't see that coalition coming together. I don't see Ro Khanna, as much as he talks about economic patriotism, putting that coalition together to have a bailout of East Palestine, Ohio. See, you guys are going to replay 2008 and 2009, where, Louie Garment, you had a decision. Do we step in and have intervention and try to save this corrupt system by infusing it with taxpayer cash to bail out the elites,

or do we let the contagion spread and let the devil catch the hindmost? And the problem is, when you're looking into the abyss, it's a very tough call for you guys to make because they're going to sit there and go, right now we're looking into an open pit. You have no idea how deep this could go, how the American financial system could collapse, how the international financial system could collapse. So you better vote to bail it out with taxpayer cash. So you're going to take it from people making $45,000 a year to bail out the wealthiest people on earth, and they're going to put a gun to your head and you're going to say okay you're going to if you don't if you vote no and let capitalism take its take its take its path this contagion will spread they're already talking about is it a contagion or chemotherapy that's what i'm trying to well that's that's what are you saying let svb fail i think you have to by the way until you get

a bailout of east palestine, screw, screw. Look, those people are the guys that mock and ridicule MAGA every day of the week. This is the elite. It's an elite bank. The, I think, most elite bank in the country. It only has a certain clientele of the, only the best of these high-tech companies. Only the, it's all the venture capitalists. Politically, they all hate us. And they mock and ridicule the central part of this country, the coastal elites. Let their venture capital, they got plenty of cash, plenty of capital. Let them go bail themselves out. Physician, heal thyself.

Do not come to us. When you have not, you sit there and you mock and ridicule East Palestine, you have some bogus hearing where nothing gets settled, nothing gets sorted. Until East Palestine gets a bailout, there shouldn't be one freaking penny given to anything in Silicon Valley. I agree, and it feels similar to the energy I felt when you guys stood up in the speaker's vote. Someone finally saying to the machine, you can't just steamroll us over and over and over again. It's the same play. it's 2008-9 it's it's the it's the bailout is the code with the it is China throws exactly exactly exactly what's

gonna happen I don't know that my to what it's if you go back to if you go back to town halls if you go back to town halls in your district next week next weekend and say and say well say they've come to us with SVB and we're going to lose. Here's what we're going to lose. The contagion is going to spread to other banks. Number two, we're going to lose all these great companies and we're going to lose all our innovation for a decade. That's what we're saying.

We're going to lose all our innovation for a decade. What is your district going to tell you? If an earthquake hits Silicon Valley, I'm not sure that my constituents would vote to send FEMA. So with the banks failing, they certainly won't be in favor of sending their money. He's the master. Wow. So great.

I am, part of me fears the ripple effect on regular people. Part of me feels like rip the Band-Aid off. You cannot have this moral hazard. You simply cannot. And you know what bannon told you moments ago regular people are going to get pinched in this fourth turning that we are in we have to come out of it resilient and strong as a country and and there will be some good people uh who i think will will pay the price but we cannot allow this moral hazard to exist where these companies can go focus on their dei and and their ESG and they can induct the new era of cancel culture through the

financial system. It's going to be very interesting to be a fly on the wall at your conference because they're going to come and make a presentation to the conference. And they're going to show the contagion spreading and they're going to sit there and go, guys, I know you're not going to like it, but we've got to saddle up, and everybody's got to vote for it. Because if you don't, you're going to make everybody else look bad. This is the pressure you're going to get. I think Andrew Yang called for it, didn't he? I'm pretty sure he tweeted the federal government should backstop SUV.

Bill Ackman already did. Bill Ackman already said, if there's not a deal with another bank over the weekend, we have to begin the process of a federal bailout immediately. Yeah, Andrew Yang tweeted, in the absence of some kind of action, you'll see thousands of mass layoffs and defunct companies, a wiped out generation of startups, huge problems in California, in particular in spreading financial contagion that will infect a host of regional banks at a minimum. Get ready Monday, because that's going to be everything on TV,

and they're going to be calling you guys back to say it. But there was a startup bubble because of the COVID policies. I don't think people connect that. There was this belief that because of COVID, we were all going to live in our pods, eat the bugs, and have DoorDash deliver our food. Read it again from the top. That's exactly it. This is – Yank summarizes it perfectly.

Yank says, in the absence of some kind of action, you'll see thousands of mass layoffs and defunct companies, a wiped out generation of startups, huge problems in California in particular, and a spreading financial contagion that will infect a host of regional banks at minimum. I'd just like to add, you know, he says says that and I'm sort of feeling worried until he says huge problems in California in particular and I'm like, oh, I'm not sure I care all that much. I'm just not. I don't know how I got all the folks in

Union County, North Carolina. We've got to save California. Silicon Valley. Not even Central Valley. A generation of tech companies, contagion spread, it's all the narrative. Those are the building blocks of the narrative, and they're going to work it all weekend. The Sunday shows are going to all be about this.

It's not going to be about the financial policies of Joe Biden and Powell and these radicals and incompetents that caused the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, because that's what caused it. There'll be nothing about that. It'll all be about how we have to step in and bail this thing out. Just go to your constituents and say please think of the people in the Bay Area and how much of your support they need. There's two Starbucks across from each other. What if one of them

goes under? They need your help. My people are going to be saying, this is what we've been waiting for. That's right. Let Starbucks unionize first and then we'll talk about it yeah that's the interesting thing man what what i got really triggered once because i saw a meme that accused you of being a white supremacist steve and uh and i see all these occupied people insulting you and it's this picture of you and they're just like it's a meme where they they

claim that you think you're the master race and i'm like have they listened to a single word steve has ever said because you you're the guy who would be up on top of the stage, everything you just said, bullhorning to all of these people, this is it. And they'd be cheering for you. But the media introduces critical race theory, gender ideology, lies about you, and it splits up the people who should be agreeing with you. This is about money. The collapse of the neoliberal order is a chance.

I do Royce White's show later. The collapse of the neoliberal order, which is predicated upon the slave labor of China, the Lao Pai Jing, gives us an opportunity to throw off the chains of working class people everywhere, regardless of race or gender or religion. And we have a unique opportunity to do that in this. And that's going to come. That's why populism is on the rise. And particularly, that's why right wing, what I'm proud to be a right wing populist. That's why right wing populism is on the rise. So Min Liang Tan, co-founder and CEO of Razor, tweeted, I think

Twitter should buy SVB and become a digital bank. Elon Musk replied, I'm open to the idea. Seems a bit silly. I don't know. What would you think about that? I think until Elon Musk starts letting back on

the true anti-CCP people that he keeps blocked off there, myself included, not that I want to go on there. Oh, yeah. He's owned by the Chinese Communist Party. What are you talking about? Tesla, his only sense, only thing of real value is Tesla.

He uses it for margin loans. He sells the stock. The Shanghai joint venture is 100% controlled by the CCP. This is why he never goes after the CCP. This is why he always backs off. This is when they had the protest. They had the protest about the lockdowns of COVID. He will not do it.

Elon Musk is a total and complete phony. He is in bed in a business party. He's done some good stuff for letting stuff out. With Taibbi and others, it's fine. But he is owned, locked, stocked, and barreled by the Chinese Communist Party, and he acts like it.

There was a story recently that they warned him to stop talking about lab leak. 100%. He's got, and I think there was another story where- They want him to take down the tweets he did the first time. Now, he didn't take them down, but you notice he didn't have any more up there after that. And I wonder if he said, okay, I won't tweet more about it. But here's the issue I see with the CCP and the United States,

and if the United States falters, if this fourth- By the way, the CCP, Chinese companies are all in the Silicon Valley. That's another thing they're already talking about. We think maybe up to a third of those innovative companies may be CCP. The principle that we see in American politics applies similarly to the rest of the world. China will crush you with a boot if you're operating within their borders. The United States will have committee hearings. They may fine you.

They'll come after you. In the United States, Antifa will throw a mortar through your window and they'll firebomb your house and the right will struggle to say mean words about you. Matt Walsh calls an individual unearthly and there's this, oh, I can't believe he dared say that.

And then Antifa ransacks a government facility and burns houses down and it's not even in the news. So I think I can see what's going to happen if that pressure continues. Elon Musk is going to say,

look, I can go to the U.S., I can rag on their government, I can rag on the problems politically, and it's fine. In fact, it gets me more supporters. China will destroy me in two seconds if I go anywhere near that, so I better shut up about them. See, that's what I think with the FBI and all this about the domestic terrorism and the white supremacy and all that. I don't think you can get there, even in hearings or whatever, until you get to the bottom of J6. I think J6 is so emblazoned in people's memories. If you go back and actually show—

Well, J6 changed the way the FBI thought about domestic violence extremism. I mean, we have been in depositions where the whole construct of categorizing domestic violence extremism, the way they would mark a case, you know, for example, if you were investigating an organization, you would open a file and then you would open up targets underneath that file. After J6, there was such a desire to resource an effort to combat domestic violence extremism that they would say in an organization, if there were eight people, each separate person had to have a separate file opened on them so that they could create the veneer or the illusion that there was a greater problem than there ever was. Throughout the country. So they'd assign these cases to the individual field offices instead of all of them being washed in field office cases in order to give the appearance of this burgeoning spread of

domestic violent extremism. You know, but Matt, on the other hand, ever since I walked in the door up here, I've been hearing from these people that sit down in hearings and Homeland Security or Judiciary Committees, and they tell us about, you know, the most lethal threat to the homeland is domestic violent extremism.

So they use January 6th to advance a narrative. You know, I think it's sort of a way station, though, Steve. I think Tim is right that you may be right in the country, and we go back and rehearse all the Portland and Seattle and Chaz and so forth. But the Atlanta attack does open up a new chapter. Yes. All of this is weaponization.

Actually, you can see there's another one. You mentioned Whitmer. You know, one of the FBI handlers with the Whitmer informant, the main guy there, was trying to also run a separate scam with respect to Ralph Northam. And there's that line that he uses, the FBI handler to the confidential human source who is about to reach out to somebody who's trying to draw into one of these FBI plots. And the informant asks for guidance, and he says the plot is specifically to kill the governor.

The FBI is trying to inspire and concoct plots. There was another one involving a BLM guy. They wanted to propose an assassination plot against the Attorney General of Colorado. What is up? Well, let's pause there because it's a tactical decision we have to make. There have been circumstances where the FBI has taken action against the left that might offend our sense of civil liberties. And Dan and I believe that our committee work will be more successful

if you get the few civil libertarians that still might exist as an endangered species on the left interested in i agree with you 100 i agree with you 100 i think you ought to do the investigation they try to do this left-wing groups you got to expose that because ultimately it can be turned against anybody it's the apparatus that's the problem right so i think i think if you can garner support from the few remaining true civil libertarians that are up there, you definitely ought to do that. And you ought to look at what the abuses they did to left-wing groups. I'm sure they're out there, right? Well, on FISA, for example, Zoe Lofgren of California is an ally to try to curtail the authorities that have been abused.

How do we put together ideas, legislation that can draw those people into a reform movement? I feel like you've mostly won the civil libertarians. I find myself sitting down with conservatives all the time who have staunchly conservative views that I mostly don't share, but we never even talk about that because the issue is typically the weaponization of governments, the failure or capture of our institutions institutions so you end up with this i call it sometimes the freedom faction i guess because i'm like saying the right doesn't make sense because there are people who are actually somewhat socialistically i mean joe rogan for instance talks about ubi and other socialist

like policies he's very left said he would have voted for bernie and right right he had been in the general and then on all these issues though he's now like well i'd rather vote for trump than biden like okay well how do you get a left-wing guy who likes bernie to say i'd rather vote for trump it's because the issue is facts that if you can sit down with someone who says they're pro-life and want a flat tax or something and then i say okay well we can talk about that i guess but then they're like oh and here's a book of facts of what really happened and then i'm like those are all true i agree with you on that then you got another faction of people that either don't know don't care or believe lies i i see i think a lot of people who follow this show for instance we've done a few polls some informal some more formal

and it's like 40 moderates they don't consider themselves conservatives or republican they consider themselves like i used to be liberal i guess Now I don't know what's going on. So I do feel like that coalition is here. The question is, is it that people are too scared to get active and speak out because institutional capture means – Well, how many people – look, you used to have a wide swath of the center-left Democrats were civil libertarians. That's an endangered species now. You only have a very small handful that will go against the narrative because they're like Stalinists on the left now. An interesting case study is former congressman, current Colorado governor, Jared Polis.

Jared Polis and Justin Amash were in a liberty caucus together where they would fight against government surveillance, where they would fight against endless wars. And then Jared Polis gets a little power in the executive branch in Colorado and turns into a big government command and control pro-lockdown Marxist. Left-wing fascist. Yeah, and it's crazy to see that evolution just with the introduction of a little bit of power with some of these folks. I want to try and read some super chats. I can't read them all because of the way we have it set up, but there are some that I think are interesting. I'll

try and read as many as I can. This one's actually interesting. Christopher Macy says, I worked for Silicon Valley Bank. Left over a year ago, they were violating equal employment opportunity laws consistently. It was so woke I had to leave. Tim, I sent an email on what I'm doing to change culture and feed my community and others. Appreciate it. So the one thing I think could be, one approach is we saw Youngkin do that town hall on CNN where he mentioned when it came to critical race theory in schools, it's because these lessons actually violate the Civil Rights Act. They promote discrimination. I'm wondering if there's an approach going along with what Mary Rose,

I'm sorry, not Mary Rose. This was Christopher Macy. Critical race theory is explicitly a critique of the civil rights movement. Right. Is there an approach in terms of institutional capture that is, hey, this wokeness and gender ideology is actually in violation of the law, and we can find a way to stop it? A number of folks have suggested that, and I think there's some lawsuits to that effect that are rolling around out there. The problem is you're going to have a difficult time defining a suspect class if you're making it some sort of equal protection claim. Well, I mean, it's hard to say. Take the Title VII of employment nondiscrimination. It's hard to say that you're going to put people in a room and tell them that white people are inherently bad and make that not a violation of Title VII, which says you can't

discriminate or have a hostile work environment based on race. I mean, it's the epitome of a hostile work environment. So I don't think there's a difficulty defining a suspect class there. I think that statute is pretty straightforward. It's amazing. I think the same thing is true in Title IX, the education title and so forth. Paul Engelbrecht says, We need olive branches passed between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street activists.

They were fighting for the same thing with different views of how and who to fight. I actually disagree. I think in the early days of Occupy, it was identical to everything that Steve was just saying. And the issue was a wokeness started to creep in from trust fund kids who lived in Brooklyn and didn't actually stay at the park. Libertarians and conservatives started to leave because they were like, what is this? I don't want to be involved in this. But the general message for the most part was populists. They were upset about the bank balance.

I agree with him, though. That's why I think the Olive Branch, I think there's many things that the left-wing populace and the right-wing populace can agree on, particularly about economics. You're completely right. And foreign policy. Definitely foreign policy. The neoliberal neocon order is collapsing. We've got to come up with an alternative. I have a friend who we're actually currently working with who I met during Occupy Wall Street.

He's still very much like an anti-Federal Reserve guy. He's like, we've got to audit the Fed. We've got to get to the bottom of how they use finance to manipulate and control the people and destroy lives and pressure the society. And then when you look at his posts on Facebook, the people who used to agree 100% with everything he's saying are now posting things about wokeness. And when he tries

to talk to them and say, guys, I understand you're upset about this, but this finance stuff they're doing, and they're like, it's white supremacy. You're wrong. And it feels like those activists are gone. They've, for whatever reason, been pulled into a totally different headspace. Call it an effective PSYOP, I guess. I don't see that many. I agree with you. I think that's what I encounter. I don't know where, you know, Matt is one of the one, he's probably the most knowledgeable Republican in the conference about where the people would be on the Democrat side who might join in that kind of thing. And how many, Matt? You know, unfortunately, the Democrats are better at the kind of shirts versus skins politics in Washington.

And I don't think it's more than a small handful anymore. And it's actually diminishing. It's a diminishing brand among Democrats to believe in robust speech. I mean, the only Democrat who spoke out about the horrors of the Twitter files was the much mentioned on this episode, Ro Khanna. I typically, when people ask me if there's any good Democrats, I'm like, well, Ro Khanna's done some good things. I don't know enough about him to say that I would consider him good.

We made a movie together. People should go watch The Swamp on HBO. I made a movie with Ro Khanna, Thomas Massey, and Ken Buck. HBO followed us around for an entire year as we tried to build those bridges with the populist right in the back. I think Ro Khanna very shortly is going to become a very uh viable potential presidential candidate for the by the way that's why i think he didn't run for the senate yeah i believe that ro kohana would have beat adam schiff and katie porter in the senate race but right now the house of representatives actually gives you a more

pugilist platform and modern and modern media culture you want to be in the house you think he's going to run this this the cycle well not with be in the House. Do you think he's going to run this cycle? Not with Biden, but I think that he's You think Biden's going to be the Democratic nominee? I do not think so. I do not think he's going to be the Democratic nominee. No, Marianne Williamson. She's running. Don't downplay her.

I think she brings a whole different element. I agree, and I'm deeply offended at how they treat her. It's shocking. Dismissive. By the way, Robert F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy is going to run. He should run as a Republican, but he's going to run on the anti-vax platform. He'll get 10% of primary votes. They'll turn out. I'm not so sure on the Democratic primary, but he will get in.

I got the under on 10%. 10%? Well, I tell you, on the anti-vax movement, it's big. It's very big. Did you see what Karine Jean-Pierre – Roquehanna, by the way, he took Trump's economic nationalism and just turns it into economic patriotism. He goes throughout the Midwest, and he's obviously very, very knowledgeable. I think he could be a very formidable candidate in the future.

Did you see what Karine Jean-Pierre said about Marianne Williamson? I mean, it was actually kind of embarrassing what she did. She was asked about Marianne Williamson announcing she wanted to run against Biden. And she struggled to say crystal ball. And she said, if I had an, what did you call it? An orb? A globe. If she said, if I had a globe or a crystal ball. She sometimes doesn't have exactly the right word. But this is the thing. Zen master Jean-Pierre. I think that what the media did to Marianne Williamson shows one of the reasons why they hated Trump so much. They made something up about her and made it stick. She's not a crystal lady.

She's even been like, why are they saying this about me? It was actually kind of upsetting when I'm watching this. She's like, I've never owned a crystal. Why are they calling me this? And I'm like, welcome to the media. If people believe in the Fed, I've got no problem with people believing in the crystal well they're doing it to make her seem like she's a hip hippie weirdo who has no idea what's going on so here's what i where i agree with marion williamson the most health care policy it seems as though whenever

lawmakers debate health care policy all we're really talking about is who's going to pay for the health care we don't ever really have a health care policy to make people healthier. And it sickens me that we continue to subsidize these very unhealthy foods for poor people. Then those poor people find themselves in bad health. And then we subsidize the bad health and the disability, the SSID on the back end. And it is a function of what I believe is a corrupt system in Washington, D.C., largely run by lobbyists and interest groups. I want to read this from Steadley. He said, SVB CEO sold $3.5 million in shares two weeks before the collapse. Yes.

And the CFO, by the way, the CFO threw in another $750,000. Patrick McHenry, this has got to be your witness next week in the financial services community. You've got to call this CEO. Before they come for a bailout, before they come for a bailout, you've got to have the CEO and the CFO in front of, with McHenry, in a finance committee

getting grilled right there. I want to know what work of the financial services committee would come before this. Like, why do you have the nerve to schedule before questions for that guy? Check this out. Matthew M. says, Etsy sellers didn't get paid today. It's not just the woke bank, as much as I understand, not wanting to bail out bankers. Who didn't get paid?

Etsy sellers. Yes. No, this is already, you know, Wells Fargo had some problems. There's some problems in other places. Wells Fargo said it was a computer glitch. This is not going to be. By the way, First Republic Bank. Where does, you know, all over the mainstream media we see, was a computer glitch this is not going to be a first first first republic bank where does you know all about all over the mainstream media we see that this is the contagion contagion is like

the word of of the week coming up okay where does it go silicon valley bank had uh 17 billion dollars of uh unrealized losses in its in its in its government securities portfolio because they bought the government. And the bonds are getting crushed because of Biden's economic policies. On other banks, I think the number, the Wall Street Journal said, was $600 billion of losses, right? Losses on other banks right now. So this could spread just because the bond market is getting crushed, okay?

This contagion could spread because what Biden has done to bury this country in this continual over-the-top spending with the collaboration of Mitch McConnell and these guys in the Senate that has driven the Fed now to Jack Rachel. You know, Kramer's saying at the end of the day he's taking rates up too much. He's bringing down the system around him. He's got to stop the rate increases because that kills these bonds. So you're going to see over the weekend, none of these banks are going to be sleeping. They're all going to be going through their portfolios. They're all going to be ready to say how they're going to trade on Monday.

We're in a crisis. This is not a solo thing. I happen to think it's systemic. Maybe it's just one bad apple. I don't believe that. People should be on top of this, and you guys should be calling emergency hearings and get guys in here, the Federal Reserve, the bank regulators.

First question, why are the California... That's Fed policy. That's because there are multiple tools... That's what he was saying. You don't need to maybe come to you guys, hey, because you... They'll just go to an existing Fed tool. Yes, exactly. Wow. The first question

i would ask is why did the california regulators seize the bank hours before the fed why was janet yellen the control of the currency the federal reserve why was the biden regime not on top of this why did they let this thing fester when when peter when peter teal sits there the other day and goes take peter teal is a very conservative guy and he doesn't have his hair on fire. When he comes out and says, take your money out of the bank, that's a papal bull, okay? So this is, and by the way, the Fed, and why did Yellen not move? Why did the Biden regime not move? Because they don't want to show the nation, it's their economic policies that brought us to our knees, okay? And that's what you're going to find out. And the question is, is this now what's happening in the bond market? Because the bond market is 20 times bigger than the stock market. Is it actually going to end up crushing the American financial system?

I got to tell you, we're going to be in scary times. This is like 2008. Remember, this is the second biggest bank failure in the history of the country. The second biggest bank failure. It had $208 billion of assets. The only bigger one happened during the financial crisis of 2008. This is the 16th largest bank in the country. This is not a small thing. This is going to hit crypto as well. Silver Lake early in the week.

How much of this is... One of the coins that's being used has got 25% of its holdings in SVB. So now people are concerned. Crypto is going to definitely take another hit. Bitcoin was under $20,000 today. Oh, boy. So how much of this is these crazy valuations

that a lot of these tech companies have gotten as a result of the Biden-Federal election? A lot of it. The easy money, and they raised a ton of money, and they put this money in this bank, and now they can't get to it. So it's a necessary corrective, right? Okay, so this is the question you guys are gonna hand.

This is 2008. You're looking into the abyss. You don't know how it's gonna be. Do you vote trillions of dollars for bailouts and the bailouts are all on the back of shareholders, I'm excuse me, of taxpayers making 40,000 bucks a year. Okay. And the elite are gonna make out.

So you've socialized, you've mitigated their downside, right? You've socialized their losses and you let them have upside. They have unlimited upside, but they have limited downside because the taxpayers are going to bail it out.

And that's the question that's going to come back to this Congress. And this is the big fight we had in 2009. And people kind of said, okay, okay, okay. And we ended up doing it and we never got to the problem. We have still so many zombie financial companies, the too-big-to-fail situation with the banks and the financial system. We never got to the bottom of it. We never lanced the

boil and let the pus come out. Because guess what? That's a brutal, tough process. If the ruling class does that again, the people are coming with pitchforks. That's it. By the way, the first line of defense is you guys because the big debates are going to – remember, it's a certain limit. How fast will Schumer pass this to put pressure on the House, do you think? I think it's going to be big. Remember, in 2008, let's just go back, when Lehman collapsed because they got tired of moral hazard, what they've done the thing about is that the commercial paper market which is the way all the companies overnight get their

cash in the cafeterias and to pay everybody it was a center the commercial paper market collapsed so the whole system froze by Thursday they went to see Bush and they said this is uh Paulson and Bernanke and said we need a trillion dollars by five o'clock, or the American financial system will collapse in 48 hours, and the world financial system will collapse in 72 hours, and you'll have global anarchy. Something the Nazis couldn't do, the military junta in Japan couldn't do. Our greatest enemies couldn't do this to us. We did it to ourselves. And Bush said, I don't have the authority to do that.

You have to go up to the House. The only person that has the ability to do that is the Speaker of the House, and the House has to vote this, right? They're the only people that can actually commit money. And so that's where this whole process started, and that's where all those huge debates on the floor with Louie Gohmert and five libertarians sitting there going, no, it's called capitalism. Let it rip, right? And they were overwhelmingly – everybody said, okay, that's great. Theoretically, we can't do that because there may not be a bottom to this thing. You guys are going to be faced with the same thing over the next couple of weeks.

And local governments and state governments who are heavily utilizing the bond market will be right behind the neocons. Robini said, because of the zero interest rates we went to, right now in the world, there's $300 trillion of debt. That debt at the personal level, at the county level, the school board level, the border level, the local government, city, state, federal government, of everywhere, it's $300 trillion. All basically predicated on an interest rate structure that's close to zero. Now that interest rate structure is at 4% for the 10-year bond and 5% for two. Remember, the night the election was stolen from Donald Trump and the evening of 3 November 2020. I hope you enjoy being on YouTube.

Well, Steve Bannon is completely wrong about that. On 3 November 2020, when Fox called Arizona for Joe Biden, the 10-year Treasury was 0.86%. The 10-year Treasury today is 4%. That's a massive increase. And by the way, people under 30, the millennial generation, has $9 trillion of debt. You guys, what I've said for years, are nothing but Russian serfs. You're adding debt at a faster pace than any other generation in our history, and you're not going to be able to pay. You're like a hamster on a wheel with a little bit of credit.

So this is only going to get worse, dramatically worse. So what does that mean for us other than, I mean, the economy gets bad? Yeah, the economy gets bad, but then you start having bankruptcies. What you're going to start to have is not the inability to pay. Right now, the debt ceiling. We're essentially a bankrupt nation. We have this thing called the Federal Reserve that continues to print money, and it continues to print money, and it continues to

print money because the biggest export we have in the world is the dollar. Every transaction, and this is why what the CCP announced today with Iran and Saudi Arabia is so big because they're doing 40-year output as the Green New Deal comes here, and we're trying to get to a net carbon zero

that Saudi Arabia and Iran are getting more important to China, the CCP, who just burn anything. And they're doing long-term output deals for all their production, 40-year deals, and they're going to use the yuan, the Chinese currency, and take it directly and bear the risk that that comes, not convert it into petrodollars. Once we are not the reserve currency, which Great Britain was up until World War II, we took over at Bretton Woods after the war because we were the superpower. Once that is not our top export, whether it's a drug deal or converting something to put

into a church in France in the collection plate, once we're not the prime reserve currency, we're Argentina. Thank goodness the cartels still operate in the U.S. dollar. No, exactly. I mean, you know, with the Saudis moving to the lawn, I mean, we really need the cartels. So where this is headed right now, their debate, look, Biden just put in your face a $6.8 trillion budget that has no cuts anywhere, basically 6% growth, not one cut. And so he's not prepared to meet anybody halfway. And you have a debt ceiling right now that we see from the Congressional Budget Office, at minimum, will add

$19 trillion in 10 years. That means we'll have $50 trillion of debt. You understand, we're going to have growth. It's going to kill growth under 2%. You're going to have a lost generation or two in this country with under 2% growth, overbearing debt, so much money to go to pay off the debt, no opportunity, no venture capital, no ability to grow the economy, everybody living like a Russian servant. That is the future. Thank goodness the Zoomers are mentally healthy enough for this. They've developed a resiliency, they've shed frailty.

That's what I'm thinking. Stop painting such a rosy picture, Steve. I'm not sure I'm all that worried if that's the worst-case scenario. I think one thing my generation and the younger generation need is to learn how to roll up their sleeves, chop some wood, and raise some chickens. One of the problems that we've had with millennials and Gen Z is they've been born into a world with silver spoons up their asses. Everything. I mean, they want for nothing. The story I tell is the first day I walk into Vice Media with my job, I was shocked to find

that people didn't even show up and were getting 30 to 60K depending on what your writing job was. Well, people don't show up here and they get 172,000. Absolutely. But I'm in New York City and I'm thinking to myself, some of these people are getting 50, some of these people are getting 100K and don't even show up. And I come from a world where I was loading bags and airplanes for 10 bucks an hour and people are getting injured. They're getting repetition injuries. I said if the people, the working class of this country found out what life was like for the laptop class, there'd be a revolution overnight. The idea that someone's getting 40, 50 bucks an hour

to think about how they can write another article about how racist Trump is, and meanwhile, some other person is breaking their back, lifting steel beams for 20, 30 bucks an hour,

they're going to be like, are you kidding me? This can't be that way. So this generation, they need to learn how to chop some wood. Where these guys are going to come under the pressure

not just to bail out of SBV and stop the contagion, but then you get right into the spending, into the debt ceiling. And you're going to get the emotions of this are going to be huge because they're saying you're going to throw kids on the street. This is going to be the battle of the ages on finance in this country. What happens right now with the debt ceiling? You're going to get me excited. Well, no, you've got to draw the line if you give them an inch and i mean an inch because right now you you don't have to uh you don't have to uh do anything to any government security you got enough cash coming in to pay the interest and pay the face amount of the debt you'll

never default a default has to be done by the secretary of treasury but these guys are going to be guilt tripped every day the media is going to be it's going to be a government shutdown to the hundredth power i gotta ask you i mean this story is really breaking on a friday right yes this that says to me they knew it was coming well in advance and it was planned for this day because this is the day where everyone's off partying and not paying attention that's friday is where news goes to die so it sounds like they knew this was coming and they wanted to well they definitely didn't want the ceo they definitely the the the california regulators for a bank where a state regulator step in front of the fed and something like this and federal authorities is unheard of on a bank that's not some local community bank so what's the newsome pivot newsome i think's in real trouble on this because i think

newsome this is going to hit to the thing but I think Newsom is going to step in and start to, he's going to come back and make the big play that you got to bail this out. This is the future. He comes to Washington. 100%. Gavin Newsom will come and say, this California model is actually the model for the country. It's high tech. We're the leader in the world. If you don't do this, we're going to be a decade behind the CCP. These are a thousand of the best. Look at all, California is a donor state. If you have donor state on your bingo card. This will be his. There's a pretty powerful counter argument. Everything turns to shit. That's Trump. When DeSantis went to Iowa, Newsom will come to Washington, D.C. to make his case as a national figure, that he's there to save the high tech economy. And you got to do it

by doing a bailout. And these liberals will just march in lockstep. They'll repeat whatever they hear on the TV. What did Yang just say? That's what they're going to say. The contagion. That's already the narrative. They got it on Friday night.

Hey, they're not taking Friday night off. They're hammering this nonstop when I left. They're hammering it. And nobody's talking about how did this happen? How did we actually get here, right? How did we actually get here, right? How did we actually get here? That's what I want to ask you, Steve. So you just said a minute ago or a few minutes ago that the world's $300 trillion in debt.

You don't need to get too close. It's very sensitive. Yeah. Who are we in debt to? First off, we're in debt to the Chinese. First off, we have $32 trillion on the balance sheet of the Treasury. We have another $9 trillion at the Fed. The Japanese insurance companies own it. The Chinese own it. Insurance companies here own it. But

we own a lot of it. A lot of it's just created. We make up these bonds, right, that we in fact own. We've kind of paid for. So a big part of this is the public owning its own debt, right? So we own it to ourselves. Now, to the rest of the world, they owe it to everybody. They don't have the luxury of just creating itself. One of the reasons we have the luxury, we are the prime reserve currency. We export dollars, and everybody's got to do every transaction in the world because of that. But it's going to be... But do you think, when you talk about the dollar under attack from this alliance, don't you think that the sanctions regime that

our country has embraced over time has gaslit that like it seems because the swift system the swift system be able to do sanctions and then cut them off the swift system which is the way you do transactions is is is exacerbated sanctions seem to always get a lot of bipartisan support in washington but if sanctions worked cuba would be a caribbean paradise not a shithole country and if sanction sanctions worked you know we would see venezuela develop as the jewel of south america the reality is sanctions tend to hurt the people that live in these countries i haven't seen maduro miss too many meals as a country grabbing an empanada on TV is a classic historical moment. Remember that? He's giving his national address and then he just grabs an empanada out of a drawer and then bites it and puts it back. That was basically Trump's moment with the taco salad, right?

Yeah, but he's doing it while people are starving. I don't think Trump would do that. Best taco salads. Follow-up question. If we owe the debt to ourselves, why don't we just not pay it? You can't do that because it's actual debt. It's got an interest payment. It's up there. You can't.

By the way, by the way, there is an aspect. Yeah. Steve, you had a hard out. Oh, there is an aspect of doing that, and that is, by the way, they asked it the other day, I think Timmons in North Carolina, to come up with the trillion dollar coin. Yes, yes. Someone mentioned that in member chat. And by the way, he asked the question of would Powell take it?

Could you print a coin and just call it a trillion dollar coin and use that to actually de-lever the United States? And he said, hey, that's a gimmick. Just like writing off the debt's a gimmick. We can't do that. I know you've got to go. Writing off the interest, though, I mean, if the interest is owed to a fraudulent system like a Swiss bank, the Bank for International Settlements, why are we as Americans adhering to this?

Why do you say that it's an illegitimate system? Well, it's a Ponzi scheme. It's basically they give us money and then they demand interest back on the money they gave us. But in order to get the interest to pay it back, we have to borrow it from them. Okay. Default. I don't know. People, we have to borrow it from them. Okay. Default. I don't know. People should know how to do some hard work or something.

But like $24 trillion is owed to Americans, though, right? I think $24 trillion is owed to Americans. And by the way, of the next 16, we'll sell a couple trillion to the Chinese, a couple trillion to the Japanese, and we'll owe it to ourselves. So you've got a hard stop, and we do need to start winding it down, I guess. So this has been absolutely awesome to sit here with you guys and have these conversations. The question is, how do you broadcast from the Capitol? You're on YouTube. You're in the Capitol.

I come here. My file's been taken because I've got four months in a federal prison coming up. My file's been sent to the Bureau of Prisons already. I can't even come in the building. There's enough offense to go around. What do I have to do to get on a war run? The first time we come down here. You're a hero.

We'd love to book you. The first time we come, half the channels on our mixer aren't working. And we don't know why. We can't figure it. It makes no sense because we do this all the time. We have the mobile setup. So we're like, we're going to come here. We're going to make sure it works.

Everything's working perfectly. We sound check. Everything sounds great. Then all of a sudden, a half an hour before the show, the board just stops working outright. It's producing sound. The computer won't take it. And I'm like,

this makes no sense. So we put one of the headphone outs into our ATEM. Everything's working perfectly. Then as soon as we click live, the audio just drops to like half levels and we're like... Wait till we do War Room Capital.

Yeah. Right before War Room Prison Break prison break hey i got a text it's awesome to see you on tim pool's show i'll watch him a lot i love it i appreciate it thank you so much i gotta go do royce white we're right on absolutely another youtube show we're wrapping up but i will say i think it would be awesome if uh i mean next time they're there there's big stuff going on in washington if we could do more of this stuff i I think it would be absolutely fantastic. No, no, no. We've got to bring Gates and Congressman Bishop to Harpers Ferry. I'm down for that, too.

He's been there before. They've got to go. You've been there. I left breadcrumbs. He has to. Wait until you see our history. Congressman Bishop has to go to Harpers Ferry. My wife wants to go skateboard there.

She's a big skateboarder. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll do a music video. I think it would be fantastic. We could have you in the music video. She can sing, and then we'll trigger the corporate liberal press. They'll be freaking out. Do you ever mix the skateboarding in the music videos?

No. I mean, we could. I'm just saying. Gentlemen, this has been absolutely incredible. I really do appreciate it. This has been fantastic. We've got to do it again. You guys can follow me at TimCast. You

can become a member at TimCast.com if you want us to do more of this. The way things have been going economically, I think we are only surviving right now. And I mean this because of the membership system that we have at TimCast.com. Ads will not support us. So, I mean, there was a period where ads were doing really well. But right now, for whatever it is, for whatever reason, ads are not doing so well. But because you guys become members at TimCast.com, I haven't really worried about it. So long as you believe in us and you keep supporting us, we'll keep doing more stuff like this. Do you guys want to shout anything out?

I got a podcast called Firebrand. I hope everybody subscribes and even got a great episode with Dan Bishop in there. Right on. If you can't get enough, there's more out there for you. Great to be with you, Tim. Enjoy being here. Thank you so much for allowing us to come down to the Capitol again and do this. I mean, it's a tremendous opportunity for us.

Matt, I think the work you do is absolutely fantastic. Both you guys in the fight over the speakership, we were all laughing. We were cheering when we were doing the show. Because it really did, it felt like somebody was actually just standing up for so many Americans who are tired of the machine. So with that being said, thank you all so much for everything. And for everybody who's watching, thanks for the support

and we'll see you all next time. Mics are still on though. Excellent. You got to wait for it on YouTube before you can end it. Just switch it back to the Fedcast. Thank you.