Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #751 Trump Indictment BACKFIRES, Even Liberals Say ITS BUNK AND Will FAIL w/Dave Smith

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

Tim, Phil Labonte, Hannah Claire, & Serge join Dave Smith to discuss mainstream media slamming Alvin Bragg over the Trump indictment, Thomas Massie expressing his support for a Ron DeSantis presidency, a North Carolina politician quitting the democratic party & joining the republicans, & Dave Smith explaining why the US is collapsing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So the indictment against Donald Trump is so laughably bad that tons of leftist media outlets are even coming out being like, uh, this doesn't look like it's going to hold any water. Of course, conservative outlets are calling it as it is, like there's no real crime being committed. It's beyond the statute of limitations. But even CNN has said the other day, they're like, this is completely underwhelming. Now we have Vox.com saying, is he actually going to get convicted of this? Because there's no underlying crime. Bragg said, I'm not required to present one.

So there isn't one. I'm just telling you there is. How could that possibly fly? This is the weirdest thing. I mean, it reeks of desperation. But the craziest thing is that Democrats are basically just deciding to what, knock the pegs out from this country to just tear it down a little bit with these dubious charges. Or maybe brag as the rogue prosecutor who's embarrassing himself.

We'll talk about that. Plus, we got a few other stories. So we got RFK Jr. is going to run as a Democrat opposing Joe Biden. That will be interesting. And then in North Carolina, you have a Democrat who just switched to the Republican Party, giving them a super majority in the state. And yes, the left is losing their minds because they're concerned now that child sex changes and abortion will be completely banned. That's right. A veto proof majority in North Carolina. So while everyone's complaining that this ultra far left Supreme Court Justice won in Wisconsin, and there's reason to be upset about it, you got to look where the victories are, too.

And just keep in mind, it's not all negative all the time. In North Carolina, Democrat outright said, like, yo, I'm out. I'm a Republican now. So that's big. We'll see how that develops. So before we get into all that, ladies and gentlemen, today's episode of Tim Cast. I was brought to you by Cast Brew Coffee. Pre-order your Cast Brew Coffee today at castbrew.com. This is, of course, our coffee brand. We are launching a coffee shop currently in design and construction is underway, plus a private club on the third floor. Really excited for that. You can go to castbrew.com and order your Rise with Roberto Jr. breakfast blend. Available now.

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basically already sponsor the show, we will shout out the members projects. So that was a really brilliant idea that came from the discord community. Very excited for that. Don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends joining us tonight to talk about all of this is dave smith what's up good to be back so who are you what do you do oh you you know libertarian tupac servant of the mises caucus repping the ron paul revolution all right those are all good things yeah that's me yeah uh this will be interesting because it's seeing you talk about the indictment and everything. But coming from a libertarian perspective, it's funny how they often try and just accuse you of being like a Trump supporting conservative. Yeah.

I mean, like, you know, I get it from all angles like that. I mean, I'm a sharp critic of Donald Trump. But last time I was on the show, I mean, you talked a lot about that and we kind of disagreed about it. But I convinced you of everything and now you agree with me. So, yeah, no, I was. I was right. Well, here I'll tell you something I was wrong about, because as you guys know, I'm right about almost everything. But you know what I was really wrong about? I remember when they first put the special prosecutor on Donald Trump, when Robert Mueller was first assigned to him.

I was just convinced I knew obviously there was going to be. I was just convinced. I knew obviously there was going to be nothing with a Russian conspiracy because I knew that was all made up. And libertarians know not to trust the CIA. But I really did think they would get him for something. I was just like, the guy was a real estate developer in New York City. He's got to have some dirt on him. You can't rent an apartment in New York City without committing at least a misdemeanor. I figured they'd find something. And it is amazing that after all of this time, they still

just have to make up a non-crime and then charge him with 32 counts of the same non-crime. We'll get into that. So thanks for hanging out. This will be fun. Of course. And maybe there'll be an announcement later. It's unrelated. I have no idea. But Hannah Clare's hanging out. Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.

I'm a writer for TimCast.com. How you doing? I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist, and counter-revolutionary. And I am not Ian. He's not here. I was going to say, and temporary Ian. Yeah, temporary Ian. Hopefully I will come up with some 20s.

If you could do us a favor and randomly interrupt the conversation with non sequiturs and talks of graphene, that would be great. I can come up with some Ian stuff. You're going to be on talking about crystals duty? I mean, I've got them all in front of me. We need at least four crystal facts. Come on, Phil.

Did you have to rub them on your head or something? I could have brought my jade roller up. He's rubbing Ian's crystal on his face and I can imagine Ian's watching going like, stop, no, don't. Not that one though. Not that one. No, Phil, that one's. That's not even what that crystal does.

Ian's pulling his hair out at home. I apologize, Ian. We got Serge pressing on the buttons. And I'm just watching all this go down. Anyways, let's get started, guys. So here's the first story from National Review. Bragg's indictment even fails as an indictment. And this is a really great piece from Andrew McCarthy, who's like, what a disgrace.

It's always possible to be surprised. The indictment brought by Manhattan's elected Democratic District Attorney, Evan Bragg, against Trump is even worse than it imagined. And here's the important part. He says he claims that the 34 counts, which warrant 136 years in prison, are because Trump was trying to conceal another crime. What is that other crime? We don't know.

Because Bragg says he doesn't need to present it. It just is. That's it. Now, look, a lot of people. He was orange. That's the crime. Well, he's like, Trump lied in running for office. It's like, about what?

I don't got to tell you because it's not a requirement. That's not the point. And federal campaign contributions was a crime. And they were like, the fed? I don't got to tell you because it's not a requirement. That's not the point. And federal campaign contributions was a crime. And they were like, the feds did not charge him with a crime over anything. You have no jurisdiction here.

He's doing it anyway. But here's the best part. Here's the satisfying icing on the cake. Vox.com wrote yesterday, the dubious legal theory at the heart of the Trump indictment explained no one knows if Donald Trump can be prosecuted

for the hush money payment. The actual original title of this article was will Trump actually be convicted? They don't even think so. It's fascinating to see CNN be like, there's nothing here. No new facts. It's what everyone already knew. And their brag is doing it anyway. So I got to say like, okay, you know, maybe maybe we'll end up sitting back. And what's really happening is this moron of a D.A. steps out from a local office and embarrasses the Democratic Party nationally. And Trump is playing the game because he knows every step of the way it's humiliating to them.

Yeah, it is. It's it's really something to see, man. And, you know, like, as I said before, even as a sharp critic of Donald Trump, for other reasons, not like the stupid ones. But this is just look, the guy was just objectively, this is a guy who was as sitting president, framed for trees, like framed for treason by his own deep state. There's a real deal attempted coup. They all knew he was not involved in a conspiracy with russia nobody at the cia or the fbi actually believed that none of them believed carter page was a russian agent they knew he was an informant for them the cia told the fbi

that he was an informant for the cia and then the fbi uh said on their fisa court application that the cia corroborated that he had talked to the Russians. But they left out the part that then he came right back to the CIA and informed them of this. So this is it is I don't know for sure if this Soros backed D.A. is like in on some grand conspiracy. He might be. But there is no question that what Donald Trump laid out in his speech last night is exactly right. That they've tried at every single turn to get him for the most ridiculous things. And probably like Phil, I'd be fine if they wanted to get him for any of his real crimes that he did commit. Like all presidents commit.

Like real violations of international law. Illegal bombing of Syria. Illegally starving the people of Yemen. Fine. Charge him for that. I'll cheer if you do the problem is that that would implicate Joe Biden and Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and George Bush and Dick Cheney and so they're not going to do that and so they got to go after him for this stuff I think they should uh I think they should I mean you know they indicted Trump and it's it's

fair game now so what I said the other day is that any conservative DA in Colorado or the San Diego area, wherever Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki lived, there's no statute of limitations on murder. So they could indict Barack Obama for the murder of Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki. Or even Anwar Al-Awlaki, for that matter, who was his father. Look, he was radicalized, and he swore allegiance to Al-qaeda but when you're an american citizen you have to be charged with the crime and then you have to be convicted of that crime you don't get to just say this guy said he's with them so i murdered him and and the one that's more damning about anwar al-aqi in a way even then his his was his kid 14 at the time 16 16 no yeah i think 16

um but the one that's more damning you know in a sense is that they admitted that he was the target 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16.

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16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. 16. And he got no charges. And the deep state turns their head all the time. I would love to have you talk with Destiny, the Omni-Liberal. Because you know what his response was when he was here? He was like, well, he's the president.

He has great deference when it comes to war. And I was like, not killing American citizens in countries we are not at war with. By what standard does he have this? Like, what are you talking about according to the united states uh constitution the i can talk a mile a minute standard yeah it's ridiculous it's it's a the congress has to declare war and so they haven't been like all these since world war ii right so all these military authorizations are completely unconstitutional and then there's also international law which says you can't just bomb sovereign countries can we just go back a second because you said

something i think it was important isn't it amazing that the deep state and the democrats framed our democratically elected president as a traitor and foreign agent they they framed him as this and it's like that is the normal course of action now for this country that that's crazy well i mean look they framed a sitting president well say i mean they they also blew one's brains out on national television so it's not like well that new of a president tucker carlson comes out and he's like didn't he basically come out and say jfk was assassinated by the cia or whatever yeah he said a guy um uh who you know an anonymous source who had seen firsthand all the redacted documents basically confirmed it to him. Now, do with that what you will.

But there's a I mean, you could go down that rabbit hole. There's a lot there. I'll also say the Nixon thing really stinks if you look into it. Like, what was it? I think two of the four people who broke into Watergate were like CIA connected. Just saying there's a lot of shady stuff in the past. But what's really interesting about Donald Trump is that Donald Trump, although I will criticize him for not following through with a lot of his rhetoric that was pretty good on some of this stuff.

Donald Trump was the first presidential candidate or I should say the first successful presidential candidate who won in any of our lifetimes who ran unapologetically in opposition to the deep state yeah i mean like he ran saying that like we were lied into war in iraq saying that obama created isis saying all of these things that were kind of true i mean obama certainly funded isis i would um and and so he made enemies of the deep state in a way that none of these other presidents have when i remember watching the uh debates when trump told uh who did he tell jeb bush or whatever when he was like your brother lied us into war or something like that south carolina i was like whoa

but it was pretty pretty unreal that moment of standing in front of south carolina republicans at the primary debate and telling the whole crowd that the last Republican president not like led us into a bad war or something like that, lied us into a war where a million people died, like basically saying he he should be, you know, like arrested or whatever. And I remember that day, all the pundits were like, well, he blew it. Yeah, I mean, he really blew it. That ain't gonna play

in south carolina and the next day was the south carolina primary donald trump took 60 of the vote and the other 11 split the 40 amongst themselves wow it's so amazing yeah well so uh so you're you're now the a a maga trump supporter all the way now, I hear. I said he should be convicted for war crimes. I'm just saying, get all of them. But he shouldn't be convicted for paying off a hooker and not itemizing it on his taxes. Amazing that you... That's what it is.

The only thing you can make trouble for is bullshit. They're claiming that... This is what's funny. Imagine you, Dave, have a carpenter buddy who is uh remodeling your garage and uh it's an attached garage so you know you want to you put like a loft in the second floor of it or something and uh he goes to the store and he buys burglars tools and he robs a jewelry store and then uh he sends you a bill for the construction in your garage and it's just itemized as construction and you pay it and then one day the feds come to your house and say

you were actually buying in burglar's tools. And you're like, what? Well, you've got a payment here that went right to him. You were paying him every month. And you were like, yeah, he's a carpenter in my garage. Like, I bet he bought burglar's tools. That's the Trump indictment. Michael Cohen, according to his own lawyers, paid Stormy Daniels of his own volition with no reimbursement out of his own pocket.

Donald Trump was paying legal bills to michael cohen and they just decided brag says he was probably reimbursing him we just say that and it's even weaker than than uh your analogy because there's no actual crime committed to it like it's not a crime to pay someone to not talk about something like to come to an agreement with someone if i give you this money you won't talk about this. There's no crime. And it's not a campaign finance violation. The reason why he hasn't been tried federally

is because there's already precedent for this with John Edwards, where they tried to say that, oh, you paying off your side piece is a campaign finance violation. The problem is that the logic of that is like, oh, it would have hurt your campaign. So therefore it's a campaign finance, you know, or a campaign expense but the the problem with that is that there's also lots of other non-campaign

related reasons why you might want to like he might just not want his wife to find out right and you can't say you can't say anything that would make you look bad is a campaign expense or any otherwise anything that makes you look good should be a campaign expense too right you should be able to charge your campaign for a new convertible because you're like i look good when i drive this it's the whole thing that makes no sense at all yeah did you watch album bags uh press conference you got pressed by these reporters saying you know your predecessor wouldn't prosecute this this has been thrown out a couple different times why are you moving forward with it and he didn't really have any answer to that he was just like well he's committed crimes 34 of them i guess

like there was no explanation because there's not one yeah it was it was asked by a reporter in order for this to be elevated to a felony there has to be an underlying crime what what is that crime and why didn't you include it and he goes the law does not require me to. Which is not true. The law that he's invoking says you can't, that it's a crime to lie on your business records in service of another crime. So it has to be connected to another crime.

He's just like trying to play this game. He's arguing it is, but it doesn't say there that I have to tell you what that crime is. Right, right. So I mean,

it's just so freaking absurd. And then the Sixth Amendment basically says we have a right to confront our accusers and understand the charges and a speedy trial and all that jazz so uh not now the bragg's courtroom he says none that's why that's why i've just been saying like i mean i should have been saying this years ago when they as you pointed out framed our democratically elected president as a foreign agent and and traitor to this country uh perhaps i should have been saying the country ended in 2016 yeah i mean i'd go 1913 but sure wherever you wherever you want to start

it creation of the federal reserve uh but i um i'll say that it's even to me who's like you know i'm pretty against this entire establishment against every inch of the U.S. federal government. I thought I was I was surprised that they crossed the line once he was president. I thought it was a crazy line to cross to frame the presidential candidate, Donald Trump, for treason. But when they actually you had them doing it to the sitting president, even to me, I was like, wow, they're actually going to do this to this guy. And look, they didn't they didn't remove him from office. They floated around that idea.

And in fact, Andrew McCabe, who I believe was the number three at the Justice Department, he talked about this in his 60 Minutes interview where he says before they suck Robert Mueller on Donald Trump, they all in the Department of Justice, in the FBI, debated invoking the 25th Amendment. They were like, maybe we could just remove. He says this. You can go find his words on camera. That they thought about, well, we could just remove him.

But instead, we'll just stick this special prosecutor on him. And so they didn't remove him, but they did box him in. And they boxed it. What Donald Trump ran on in 2016 was that we should have detente with Russia. That we should get along with Russia. We should stop trying to overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria. We should work with Russia to fight ISIS there because we both have a mutual interest there. And why not get along with Russia? Why not move in this direction of being friends? And man, so because they were accusing him of being a Russian agent every day on on tv he could never make a deal with russia

because then that would have been seen as like oh look proof he clearly is a russian agent so then he donald trump because he's not ron paul and not the great president he was supposed to be uh he went out of his way to prove how anti-russia he was so he goes i'm not a russian agent i'll show you right now i I'll tear up the IMF treaty. I'll send weapons into Ukraine. I'll do everything to show you how much of a hawk I am on Russia. So it actually did work in a sense where they boxed him into taking the wrong position. And man, if he had been able to do what he was running on, we wouldn't be in the disaster in Ukraine we are today. There'd be a hundred thousand people who would still have their lives i agree yeah what do you think about uh the upcoming election are you gonna

you're gonna vote trump no uh no do you think you'll vote libertarian i think there's a strong chance there's a strong chance that i could vote liberty we got to see who uh the candidate is i mean there's so many great options vermin supreme i mean yeah that guy that guy gets up there i'm obviously he's running libertarian oh he always does he's running around his living room in his boxers who knows what he's doing democrat though i think he runs he runs as a democrat no he's been dragging down the libertarian party for the past now those days are over it It's a new Libertarian Party now. So who are you guys fielding then? I want to know.

Well, we've got a lot of great candidates. I want the Mises caucus to beat them up. That's a very nonspecific answer, Alvin Bragg. That's the most specific I can give you. I don't have to give you a crime. I don't have to tell you. I don't need to give you a crime. I don't need to tell you anything.

But I will say, no, I'm interested. I will say that Donald Trump's rhetoric over the last, say, couple months has been the best he's been since at least 2016. The stuff he's been saying on the Ukraine war has been spot on. Now, that's a big difference between me actually trusting him. He said some good things in 2016, and then he's putting John Bolton as his national security advisor. So it's one thing to say it, but I will say, man, the other day when he had that speech or whatever where he said, he was like, the number one enemy for America is not Russia.

The number one enemy is, and I was just so sure he was gonna say China and I was already rolling my eyes. I was like preemptively rolling my eyes at him saying China. And then he went, the number one enemy is the deep state and Washington DC and all of this. I was just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like he invented the vaccine or whatever. You know that he's definitely going to be there after me, so he's going to sit there and attack

the deep state. And if he wants to go after the bureaucracy more for this entire time that he's running, more power to him. Attack them. Show as much of the bad stuff they do. Shine as much light as you can.

He had the chance to do something about it and he didn't. I just think he has some fire back right now. Like when he announced in November, I didn't feel it the way that, you know, obviously the iconic escalator moment. And, you know, with East Palestine, with some of his rhetoric, it seems like he has got his momentum back in a way that is truly terrifying to other candidates. You can't really compete with Donald Trump when he is ready to spar with you. And it's really put him in a way that is truly terrifying to other candidates. You can't really compete with Donald Trump when he is ready to spar with you. And it's really put him in a fighting position, I believe. Yeah, well, look, and this fuels some conspiracy theories,

too, which I don't know if there's any truth to any of them, but there is no question to me that it really helps Donald Trump with his base when they raid his home in Mar-a-Lago and when they bring these nonsense charges to him, because it does, again, make him kind of like it gives you this narrative that, of course, as we were saying, is based off a lot of truth that he has been completely targeted. But like he won the election in 2016 and he never got a chance to actually be president

of the United States. Let me pull up this story from the Hill. GOP rep Thomas Massey endorses DeSantis for 2024. That's it. That's the story. He said America needs a leader who is decisive, respects the Constitution and understands policy, puts family first and leads by inspiring. That's why I'm endorsing Ron DeSantis for president. If we make the right choices, America's best days are in front of us. Let's pick a proven energetic leader who can get us there. He continued. Let's choose Ron DeSantis for president.

That means that Donald Trump is going to knock Representative Thomas Massey down to a fifth rate. Well, so I've talked ad nauseum about my views on DeSantis. I think he's fantastic. I really do think he's done a great job in Florida. I don't know if I would, at this point right now, vote for him over Trump. I'm curious, Dave, what you think about Massey's endorsement and DeSantis? Well, I mean, look, I, you know, I'm not exactly sure. First off, Thomas Massey is the best congressman in the country. So just get I give him a lot of credit. And look, Thomas Massey was the one who stood up in real time while the COVID emergency was going

on and said, this is insane to just be giving away $2 trillion in corporate bailouts with no type of like vote, no audit of what's going on. And he was completely demonized by Donald Trump at the time. Donald Trump really sent all of his sycophants after Massey, which is a horrible thing to do. Massey was 100% right. This is what created, not only like really created so much of the instability we have today, but so much of the price inflation that people have been suffering under

for the last couple of years was due to these monstrous spending bills in 2020. So I also understand why Massey maybe isn't the biggest fan of Donald Trump. I was with Trump on that back during the shutdowns. But I think it's fair to say that hindsight is 20-20. And I think my view of it back then was there's videos of people collapsing in the street. We don't know a whole lot. Maybe we just need to stem the bleed of the economic problems now and then try and figure out what's going on. Looking back on all of it, yeah, I think Thomas Massey was completely right.

It's the best I can do. That's fair enough. I think that the thing is, like, if you understand the nature of how the federal government like like bills like this work, you just know it's just it's not as if there's ever any real like, oh, the people are hurting. So we need aid. It's just a race of lobbyists, everyone getting their little special thing in there. And then you're lucky if the American people get like some crumbs on it. But anyway, but I'll just say that I do think, look, it's hard. It's hard to deny that even though he wasn't very good at the very beginning, that what DeSantis did in Florida for COVID was just so much better than almost every other governor in the country. I guess Kristi Noem is the exception to that. I think she never had any mandates or lockdowns or anything.

But South Dakota is not Florida. And Florida is a much bigger state with an old population. And he really put all of his chips in at a very dangerous time on we're not going to go totalitarian here in Florida. And it paid off. And so I understand where there's a reason why he flipped a purple state into a 20-point red state. You know, I mean, you have to acknowledge that.

And the mass exodus from these blue states into Florida because of his leadership. So the question then becomes, DeSantis or Trump? Now, obviously, I know, you know, you're probably more a libertarian guy, but let's isolate this to the GOP primary. Who do you think would be better

for the Republicans? Well, for the Republicans, and just real clear to preface this it's not again because i was trying to say this last time i was on the show it's not like i'm saying like the it's like well the i'm not making the perfect the enemy of the good i'm not saying like i understand republicans both uh trump or desantis would be much better than joe biden in a lot of ways my thing is that i think america is going to die like i think this is a patient who's bleeding out and you're like well a band-aid is better than not a band-aid and i'm like no he will still die

we need like a uh like a revolutionary moment here to drastically cut the the size of the scope of government i will say for up from the republic asked me, from the Republican perspective, as of right now, I got to say, I just don't really see any metric by which DeSantis is better for the Republicans. Donald Trump has, as I've known when I've argued with you about my criticisms of Donald Trump, I had a debate with Styx about this. And I've heard back from a lot of the Trump supporters, and I don't even mean this is a knock on them but there is a bit of a uh cult of personality going on there they if you're if desantis goes to war with donald trump which it'll have to be in order for him to like challenge him for the nomination there i don't think trump's people will fall in line with desantis i think they're trump or bust and i think the only guy the republican the republicans have who can actually put that coalition together,

whether that's enough to win, I don't know. But I think it's Trump. There's probably a lot of moderates who would vote for DeSantis but wouldn't vote for Trump. There's a lot of people that will not vote for Trump. Yeah, there might be some. I mean, that's probably true. You know, the other thing, DeSantis is such a big question mark on his foreign policy. And he was really bad as a congressman on this issue.

Well, elaborate on that, because I've heard people say he was good. Oh, no. I mean, well, good if you're like, you know, good if you think like George W. Bush had great foreign policy, then sure. But no, he was a complete hawk in every sense of the word. He was like on board with every one of the military actions that he could have been while he was in Congress. Now, that doesn't matter so much when you're governor of Florida.

And when you're governor of Florida, your COVID policy is a hell of a lot more important than where you stand on the wars. But when you're the president of the United States, the most important thing is where you stand on the wars. That's the one area where you're like the dictator. And so that's a big deal. So about a year ago, in reference to your cult of personality thing with people who have argued, about a year ago, I was totally on board for DeSantis. And I said, you know, Trump's whining and he won't shut up about 2020 and I'm

not interested. That was rough to listen to. And so I'm just like, and then here's DeSantis who's coming and cleaning up all these messes in Florida and doing a great job. Now, over the past several months, I've seen something else. Donald Trump has cleaned up his messaging. He's come out. He's talked about the war machine. He's talked about the deep state, the economy. He's made these videos where he's like, my policy will be to do this thing.

And I'm like, these are good. He shows up in East Palestine. He buys everybody McDonald's, which was human and endearing. And I really liked it. But more importantly, he's gotten back to the I will crush the deep state and execute order schedule F. And Ron DeSantis, to me, when this is important because this was a this is a critical moment for me when they said they wanted to indict Trump and Ron DeSantis two times said, I'm not getting involved in this.

I was like, I can't vote for that guy. I think he's great. I think he's great. If I was in Florida, I'd vote for him for governor. As president, the guy whose attitude is, don't look at me, I'm not getting involved, is like, are you kidding me, dude? We need Donald Trump to go in and fire everyone. And DeSantis showed me right there he's more likely to be the guy who goes in and says how can we work together yeah the FBI needs to be reformed or something like that yeah and Trump's gonna be like I want revenge well he might I mean that that very likely might be the case although

Donald Trump has been wronged by people and then worked with them and endorsed and supported or even appointed them before so I don't know I not that confident. I will say what really bothered me with the Ron DeSantis thing was that he walked back the somewhat good comments he had made about the war in Ukraine. I think it's an interesting dynamic here where you have, say,

like the Republican Party, the Republican establishment is completely on board with this war, this proxy war of choice on the border of the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world, the most insane policy imaginable. And you got Mitch McConnell is wearing like a Ukraine lapel pin. Mitch McConnell said the number one issue, the number one priority as this country is crumbling is that we keep supporting Ukraine.

I can't even believe it so it's it was kind of interesting to see now donald trump's coming out and saying telling the truth which is that this is we should just be negotiating toward peace right now this is insane that we're fighting this proxy war um de santis kind of came out and kind of said like well i don't know if it's exactly a vital that we do this and then seem to kind of walk those comments back. To me, if there's going to be one compelling case to vote for anybody, it would be who is going to end this insanity, this game of brinksmanship that has brought us closer to nuclear war

than at any point, at least since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Libertarian Party, should any one of their potential candidates, we'll just put it that way very very vaguely uh should any one of their candidates become the president do you think they will execute schedule f schedule f yeah firing all the bureaucrats i i think that yes i mean look so unless you have look a lot of things have to happen in order for that to happen but let's say if the libertarian candidate for president wins the presidency then there has already been a major shift in this country right like something huge has happened where a whole bunch of people have

gone hey we're going to completely rethink the way we think about politics right now and we like this guy who's talking about giving us more of a free country so there would be there would be a tremendous mandate behind that person unlike any republican or democrat could have if they had one because so many people are just voting for their party and so yeah now i would say um of course that's what we would do you'd probably want to do it in a strategically smart way you know i would be a little bit concerned about i wouldn't take any convertible rides through dallas the day after i uh gave that order can i just say i i want to make a request to the people who are listening because i don't have the means to do this but could somebody take the scene from star wars when the emperor says

that order you know execute order 66 and just make it trump in a cloak and use the 11 labs ai voice deepfake technology to make Trump say, execute schedule F. And then just show a whole bunch of bureaucrats being like let out of offices with empty boxes and stuff like that. Well, it'll be. Well, it plays the very serious dramatic. Look, I just. The problem with Trump is at least say the first time he was president. I never saw anything out of him that convinced me

that he would actually follow through with something that bold. And every time he flirted around with doing something really bold, he walked it back. Whoever got in the room with him, whatever they convinced him or lied to him

or threatened him or whatever it was, he always said, he hired the absolute best guy that you should hire who should have been his defense secretary from day one, but he hired Colonel Douglas McGregor to come in and draw up the plans to end these wars. And he hired him after he lost the election to Joe Biden. So they had just this little lame

duck period to work with. Colonel Douglas McGregor draws up the order to end the war in Afghanistan and Syria and pull all troops out. Donald Trump signs it. And the next day he rescinded the offer. He rescinded the order. Excuse me. Now, I don't know who got in the room with them. I don't know if he's listening to his idiot friend, Lindsey Graham, or he's listening to his idiot son-in-law.

I don't know who it was, but one way or the other, that's what happened. And Donald Trump would say the right things about like sometimes on covid but he'd never really do it and i also i'll also just never forgive him for uh for keeping fauci on the job through all of 2020 mocking sweden for not locking down you know like it would just be i just like the funniest thing ever to me would be if like there's a dramatic political shift in the next year where people are like you know moderate, moderates say, I just don't want to vote for Trump. Then along comes this more personable, relatable libertarian candidate who's preaching all of these things.

That would be cool. And then the moment that libertarian gets an office, he starts bombing a bunch of foreign countries. Whoa. So he goes, guys. And then like people like Phil's like, dude, what are you doing? Like you made all these promises. I go, hey, dude, you want to be the head of Raytheon?

I can get you a pretty sweet gig. I i don't know it just looks a lot different from the inside than it looks from the outside phil's on the show and he's like i can't believe we are betrayed by this guy but i'm gonna be sitting down and talking some sense into him and then the next day it's like he's wearing a suit and he was like you are all wrong about the war and you hate america yeah phil did you always have diamond contact lenses? You know, I wouldn't talk about a new job, but there would be signs. There would be signs.

Let's jump to this story because this one's interesting. We're from the New York Intelligencer, New York Mag. The mystery of North Carolina's Democratic defector. Is that, that's it, huh? Look at this. Citizen Free Press.

North Carolina Democrat, Tricia Cotham, is now a Republican. Here's the clip. Let's hear what she has to say. Is the audio right? Should be. It's muted on the video. Nope.

There's just no sound coming through? Let's try reloading. Yeah, it should be working. Oh, or there's no sound on the video? That can't be right. I mean, from what I'm seeing here, it should be good. Yeah, I guess there's no sound on the video. Just play it be right. I mean, from what I'm seeing here, it should be good. Yeah, I guess there's

no sound on the video. Just play it. I'll lip read. Okay. Democrats are totally whack. She said, the modern day Democratic Party has become unrecognizable to me.

If you don't do exactly what the Democrats want you to do, they will try to bully you. They will try to cast you aside. Maybe I can just do this. Maybe this will play properly. There is no sound coming out of this thing. Yeah, I don't know.

Don't look at me. We should be here. I blame Twitter. I find it pretty funny that you said the beginning. Anyway, she quit. There you go. Yeah, they said their big concerns is that there's going to be abortion restrictions and restrictions on transing kids.

Child sex changes. Which is just such a funny thing to just be like, alright, no more murdering babies. And you're like, we can still chemically castrate them though in a few years, right? And they're like, nope, not either. And they're like, we can't do anything to these kids, man. This is insane. All I want to do is violate TOS. All I want to do is violate

TOS. The Republicans won't let us do anything. But here's what I said about it. Because they got that in Wisconsinisconsin they elected that uh supreme court uh justice or whatever judge in wisconsin and uh i guess the issue was gen z and abortion and so i just tweeted i was like look man i've never been this like hardcore staunch pro-life dude i think there should be some restrictions on abortion i think abortion is is bad in most circumstances there There's questions I have from

a libertarian perspective, but also from a practical perspective, the end result of Democrat policy is the end of Democrat policy. In 20 years, there will be substantially more conservative kids. If conservatives right now have 10 kids per family, 10 of them, in 20 years, you will have 10 times the voting base.'m not even as it's not well five times because you got man and a woman you know they have 10 kids so that's two and you get five so uh i recommend it that's the path to victory i'll never understand why democrats decided that they were going to campaign on abortion is birth control and therefore an attack on uh abortion is an attack on birth control like they should have been like cool we lost abortion so now let's really push to have you know the pill or condoms

or whatever they're trying to get to young people like they could have used this as a moment to win something back you took you took abortions away and so if you want to prevent us from needing abortions you should give us birth control but instead they love them together i mean they sell it as one package they sell it as abortion is a form of birth control but instead they love them together i mean they sell it as one package they sell it as abortion is a form of birth control and so therefore we have to regulate them the same way well there's something interesting however you feel about abortion um like whether you're pro life or pro-choice or whatever somewhere in between there's something interesting about abortion in a lot of ways kind of underwrites the entire cultural order that modern day liberalism is built off of.

Anything like the idea of like there's no difference between the sexes or like hookup culture, kind of like any of this like rejection of traditional, you know, religious and cultural values, all doesn't work if you don't have access to abortion. Because as soon as you don't have access to abortion, it becomes very clear where men and women are different. It becomes very clear what the risks of promiscuity is. Like there's just no like separating yourself from it. And it kind of is this force that pushes you back toward more of a traditional lifestyle.

If you are, if you getting drunk and having sex with some random person can result in what you having to carry this baby to term, like that is going to be a, that is going to be a game changer in kind of like the post sixties sexual revolution interactions between men and women. And so I think there's something where it's more than just they believe, like, you have a right to an abortion. It's something where, like, they understand that this is fundamentally foundational to all of the cultural revolution of the 60s continuing.

Because we'll revert right back to traditional norms very quickly if you don't have this, which is also part of the reason why I oppose it. I don't think that you could prevent the reversion to traditional norms without it. If you can't have basically the type of promiscuous sex with no ramifications, then the entire progressive order falls apart. Everything from feminism, queer theory, everything just order falls apart yeah everything from feminism queer theory everything

just just all falls apart yeah and and like statism especially the most ugly forms of it like big powerful governments always make the family the community the church the enemy because these are the things that guard against they're like hedges on state power they don't want you to have a strong family unit because then you're much less likely to be dependent on the state. They don't want you to be very connected to your community and your church

because then you don't view Barack Obama as a god because he's just a man. You know what I mean? At the risk of sounding like a red-pilled, like one of those Manosphere dudes, they don't want dudes that are capable of taking care of their house and taking care of their family and stuff because the more dependent yeah what's up with those dudes by the way by the way

i i agree with the point you just made but it's like what is up with all these podcasts blowing up where it's like some guy winning a debate with like five chicks dressed for the club what do you think about this that's hilarious i just think that like relationships and stuff are good and he's like really well do you know the stats on that and you're like wow you owned this 20 year old chick in a miniskirt i don't understand married like why are we taking you're talking specifically about the whatever podcast no i i think i've seen a few of them i don't know those viral clips there's some some of them are good clips i'm just the algorithm keeps showing them to me and i do

agree with you listen the problem is that it's like that if you actually want relationship advice about what's going to lead to like a healthy stable marriage go to church from people who are in healthy stable marriages this is what i've always wondered about have you ever heard of i don't know what it's called but like maybe you should talk about that it's just uh this therapist esther perel who's really big and she has some interesting insights she's a couples counselor but she's been divorced multiple times and so every once in a while like someone will be like you should listen to this episode it's really good and like I want to be appreciative of diverse worldview right but I don't want to take marriage advice from someone who is not married I feel like no no no who's been divorced several times yeah you know what I mean I feel

like it's it's both ends of the book like i've never been married so therefore i'm probably not the best to hand out marriage advice i like marriage i'm for it but i also think i'm maybe as good as the person who's been divorced i there's a they have this viral clip from a long time ago of me where i mentioned something about like modern feminists make it impossible to date or something and like of course i'm in a relationship i've been for for a while and like so they misconstrue the point I'm making. My advice to guys is you are likely not going to find a healthy relationship in a big city, just going to like normal hangouts where people your age go, because millennial women are like 78% Democrat, overwhelmingly. So you're going to find whatever this person's views are,

tremendous social pressure in their circles to reject whatever it is you might want to bring to the table. So the simple way to put it is you might meet a woman who she's very much like want to have a family

and have kids. And then you're like, this is someone I can date. And then every person they know and every social media account and everyone who follows them and they follow is screaming,

be a CEO and don't have kids. And so they're being pushed in both directions yeah and look i i will say because i didn't mean to like rip on those guys that much i just think it's like silly to like be debating with these like young chicks or whatever but look i like i do think there is some there's a reason they exist they're like a necessary pushback well it's the insanity dating modern feminism. It's crazy. And it's really funny when you think about it, how much this mentality has destroyed relationships and families in this country, along with a lot of other policies that have made it unaffordable to

buy a home or to send kids to college and things like this. But there is something to like, where you go, look at this whole idea that they're like, well, you know, back in the 50s, women were subservient to their husbands. And you're like, idea that they're like, well, you know, back in the 50s, women were subservient to their husbands. And you're like, so now they're subservient to their bosses? It doesn't get better.

Is that better? That's better to be like subservient to someone who's not even like raising your kids with you? Did you see the clip from the Whatever podcast where the woman says if a guy she wants to date doesn't have a girlfriend or isn't sleeping with other women, she assumes something is wrong with him. Yeah. But, but again, it's like the, the thing that I think might be misleading about some of these shows is that

they go and they go, see, that's women. You know what I mean? But you're like, no, no, no.

It's like, that's clearly the woman you don't want to be in a relationship with. Agreed. But there's like, there are a ton of like really great, like women out there who are don't have crazy attitudes like that who will make like really good wives and mothers it's not impossible to find them all this is the flaw in a lot of that like manosphere logic too where like they

take some things that are somewhat true and then extrapolate that they're like laws where they're like look what women want is a guy who's like tall and is making money and is doing this, who's dominant, who's all of this. Like, okay, yes, there's some truth that a lot of those characteristics are attractive to women. The truth is that like, okay, like you could be like a tall, rich, charming guy. And all throughout this country, there are plumbers whose wives you couldn't pull from them.

They would never in a million years fool around behind their husband's back, no matter what you were, because they're in love with their husband and he makes them happy. Plumbers are not right though, man. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying,

I just meant, I don't know, not insulting plumbers. I enjoy their services. I got a better one for you. Yeah. man yeah well i'm just saying i just meant i don't know no not insulting plumbers i enjoy their services i got a better one for you yeah there are unemployed street musicians who are living at home with the women with with their wives who are doing heavy lifting who will not cheat or leave their husbands because they love him and the relationship super devoted and this is this is i'm what i'm saying is think about a guy who's like i'm gonna make it as a musician honey i just need more time and she's like sooner or later you

got to get a job but she still won't leave him or cheat on him even though he's not successful yeah it's like a lot of these stories are like women want a man who's dominating and tells them what to do and it's like then then what about all the dudes who are like losers who have these wives who won't leave them despite the fact they're not succeeding like love is dynamic and you know and the reason i use the example i use was more like look i think that relationship probably is more vulnerable there still are lots of chicks who like won't like are in love with that guy but i just mean like there's guys who just do the job of like being like hey i work every day i take care of you i'm a good husband and they have like loyal wives who like are great to them and like

that's i'll just say it's it's a really a it's a great thing to have from my perspective having a really great wife it makes life like so many so much so much better than you could have imagined it would be that i just don't like the idea of anyone talking to young men and like discouraging them to like that being a possibility for them. Potentially finding. And it's like you can't, no, you can't.

Now, it is true. Like take some of that Jordan Peterson advice. Get yourself together. Improve yourself. Make yourself more of the person who will like

will attract women to you. But then when you do that, find a great one. But Peterson's different than like the red. Oh, yeah. No, he's the best of that kind of world.

It is self-help. It applies. And also because he's not a kid because he's a guy in a happy marriage. You know what I mean? I think part of it is like duality. I think right now, like we're talking about with abortion, like if you take away some things that we have right now in modern culture, there is no reason to pursue high quality people because the family unit doesn't matter and so therefore like what is the point of finding someone high quality they're going to be with long-term monogamously through thick and thin kind of thing right like i find myself thinking a lot of time like i wish we return return voting rights just to like married men who own property because if you had to be married and own property and like to vote i feel like our system would be totally different it's a

start it's a start. It's complicated to reapply it today. We get to that part and then we strip those guys. Yes! And then we've really got something going. Have you seen the family guy joke? You see the family guy joke about this where it's like it was a flashback and then it's Peter Griffin talking to someone and he's like, you know,

okay, you're free but you can't vote. It was like Civil War or something. And then he was like, only white people can vote. Except for, then he starts naming all of the other groups that technically like and it's like you know what no voting for anybody nobody can vote like that's where else well look i mean i will say that i think um look say i think you'd be the only person in this room or maybe i don't know about phil but like you would be our voting block in this room right and if i was the only person in the country i tell tell you, I'd be really on board with this plan. But, well, look, if you look at, say, like, zoom out, say, like, the last hundred years, broadly speaking.

Like, go to, like, Woodrow Wilson's administration to Joe Biden's administration. And you just look at how much bigger the government has gotten, like, in all of these increments, right? You have, like, the creation of the Federal Reserve and the income tax. You have FDRs, the New Deal. You have the expansions during World War I, during World War II. You have the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson. You have, you know, whatever, everything from there, George W. Bush and Barack Obama, and all the way through to the present. And you look at how much the culture has been degraded. And it's not a

coincidence that as the state expands, your culture gets more destroyed. And if you look at it through every inch of it, right, like through even the creation of say like social security, it's like, okay, well, without social security, what used to be the retirement plan? Well, the retirement plan used to be your kids would take care of you. So you're just like incentivizing people to take really good care of their kids so that their kids then want to take care of them. Before the rise of the welfare state, what was the welfare state? It was your local community.

It was your local church. It's like there's all of these incentives to kind of like we build communities for a reason because there's natural incentives for us to all work together and kind of like be interdependent. And then the state comes in at every turn. It like undermines like all of those cultural norms and and like incentivizes you to be dependent on the state. And it's horrible.

How where are the politicians campaigning on just say like ending the income tax? Yeah. I mean, it was unbelievable to me that during I mean, I was screaming at the top of my lungs for as many people who could hear this. But even during the whole like during all the covid insanity, they're like, like hey we want to figure out how to get it's so funny watch the federal government say we're trying to figure out how to get aid to the american people who we rob half their income from like how about three years of that we're pausing the income tax you know like a tax holiday for three years but something like that and and why no one would be you know talking about this thing that is the biggest bill for so many families around the

country it's but but think about this they did the stimulus the they did the extended unemployment plus the stimulus because of covid and the the complaint from a lot of people was that democrats are basically bribing voters saying vote for me and i'm going to give you money okay so why don't republicans be like we'll get rid of the income tax libertarians i mean obviously but you know conservatives should be campaigning on that they get every vote if if you came if donald trump came out and said please you don't like me i know but i'm gonna abolish taxes on you so you'll have a lot of free money then democrats might be like oh i. I'm going to vote for that guy. Well, tax cuts do tend to be popular. I think that the issue that people have with it is that in order to do something like that,

people would recognize that there have to be drastic cuts in spending along with it because our government just spends so much damn money. And so nobody wants to touch that, including every Republican president of my lifetime, including Donald Trump. Trump should do it. Yeah, look, I agree with you. Donald Trump.

Trump needs to do a campaign video where he's like wearing the cloak and then there's like fires behind him. And he's like, I am shutting down the Federal Reserve. The income tax vengeance will be mine i'd be like i'm going for that guy well it's just the most insane i mean i love this is a scott horton's analogy not mine um but so shout out to the great scott horton um but uh he always says this which is just when you really think about just how insane the income tax and the

irs are especially in a professed capitalist country. But he would go, imagine the Soviet Union invaded and conquered the United States of America. So we're a free country, and the Soviet Union invades and conquers us. We never had anything like the IRS before. And then they come in and they say, we are creating the USS IRS. It is now a crime to produce something. It's a crime to make money in this country and the punishment for the crime is a fee and the more you produce the higher your fee goes

and we've repealed the 5th amendment you no longer have a right to not incriminate yourself you must incriminate yourself every single year to the government who will then assess how much you've produced and therefore what your punishment should be, how high your fee is and therefore what your punishment should be, how high your fee is.

And if you lie when you're incriminating yourself, we will throw you in jail. And if we feel that you, if we decide that you've miscalculated, we'll go back 20 years and just absolutely destroy you. Like if that was the case, it would be so obvious to all of us what happened. You went, oh, we were conquered

and now we live under totalitarianism. There was a period. Yet our own government does it to us and people are just kind of like, happened he went oh we were conquered and now we live under totalitarianism there was a period yet we our own government does it to us and people are just kind of like well this is a government department you want to know why i'm absolutely sure and soon enough everyone's going to have the neural link port on their necks and they'll be plugged into the matrix or the metaverse because we all have government mandated identification numbers multiple of them you get your driver's license or id you get an id number on that card but when you're born they give you your official government

tracking number congratulations now that that like think about that analogy you gave about the soviet union and go back 100 years and people are going to be like the government's going to do what yeah track me by number what now it's like everyone has one it's totally normal so it's going to be normal this expansion it just keeps happening the the likelihood in my opinion is is 100 well the thing about it is is that like like uh parasites tend to eventually kill the host and i was thinking of maybe a more optimistic metaphor than that. But it does seem like something, we're living through something very big right now.

And empires do collapse and we do seem to have all of the signs of a collapsing empire. But I got a better analogy, not parasite, symbiote, like Venom. Okay. Actually, I think it is a much better analogy. Because if you think about it, for those that are fans of spider-man you'll probably understand this do you

know anything about like the venom character no i don't the symbiote attaches to eddie brock and then tells him it's going to give him everything he wants make him powerful get his revenge makes him more aggressive and angry that's literally what happened the united states had this this group come in the jekyll island, we're going to do this thing. It's going to stabilize your economy. It's going to be so good for you. It's going to make everything better. And then turned the country into a weapon, made it angry and aggressive and imperialist.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, OK. I like that analogy a lot, actually. I will say, though, I think the biggest story in the world right now is what just happened over the last couple weeks with Xi going to Russia and working out this deal with Vladimir Putin. They've got Brazil on board. They've got India on board. The Chinese have now brokered somewhat

of a normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran. It's like you're seeing, like, in 1991 after the Soviet Union collapsed, the late evil Charles Krauthammer dubbed it the unipolar moment. It seems like we're witnessing the end of the unipolar moment. Like we're no longer in just an America dominated world. And it's quite something. It's just like the hubris of all of these war hawks in D.C.

that one year into this war in Ukraine and you're like, oh, that's not how the plan was supposed to go. Now, is it? Democracy ain't sweeping the region after we overthrew Saddam, is it? But I think Donald Trump saw this. One of the reasons he wanted to run securing our borders, bringing manufacturing back was because the U.S. unipolar world was destabilizing. And the only way that people like Hillary Clinton in the deep state were able to maintain it was by further spreading thin, expending resources, and it was crumbling. And so Trump is like, we're going to make this country great. We're going to bring back jobs. We're going to secure our borders. We've got to get a control on this because otherwise, if we allow the deep state, Biden, Democrat, whoever is running the show to

keep doing this, we're going to spread so thin, it's just going to snap. And then the United States will be left holding an empty bag. If Donald Trump was the president, we'd have more manufacturing, we'd have a secure border. And then when the unipolar shift happens to a multipolar shift, we're still much more self-sufficient and better off. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, I got to say, I think the world and America would be better off without America being the dominant, like, hegemon. Like, I don't think that's done any favors for the American people. I think that, like, it's just allowed us to expand our resources and spread them thinner and thinner.

Don't get me wrong. It's been really great for Raytheon, and it's been really great for JPMorgan Chase. Some people have benefited from it. Some people have benefited. The average American, I don't believe, has. I think that Donald Trump did see America in decline and felt like it was for a lot of very stupid reasons. This is what he would say.

He's like, well, we're fighting stupid wars and we're making stupid trade deals and we're flooding with immigration. This doesn doesn't make sense i don't think he appreciated how much this was directly related to the increase in government spending and the zero interest rates for over a decade that he inherited the the reason why the deep state was engaging in war and stupid trade deals is to prop up the petrodollar by forcing countries who would try to oppose us to to gaddafi saddam hussein they wanted to get off the dollar they get wiped out the reason why we were doing these awful trade deals the the simplest example way to understand this is the pakistani

gender studies grant it was like 12 million dollars for gender studies programs in pakistan now everyone laughs and says it's the stupidest thing i ever heard but the idea is if the u.s can print the money and give it out, it maintains confidence in that currency. It may weaken it through inflation, but it makes sure those people use it. So you'll get this country, you'll get Pakistan, you get this money. Of course that money's not going to gender studies. They're going to steal and they're going to use it for whatever they want. But if you've got a guy who's just given a million dollars,

he wants that million dollars to be worth something. So he goes to another guy and the guy says, I don't want U.S. dollars. He goes, I only trade in U.S. dollars because I'm rich and I got U.S. dollars. Okay, fine. We'll use U.S. dollars. The U.S. does this stuff with bad trade deals, giving money away on purpose and then blowing up anybody who won't use the dollar. Yeah.

That's over. That's over. Well, it seems like it's the beginning of that, of the end for the petrodollar. Now, what exactly that's going to mean, I don't know, but it's over. Well, it seems like it's the beginning of the end for the petrodollar. Now, what exactly that's going to mean, I don't know, but it's big. They're talking about the CBDC starting the central bank digital currency in July now. Yeah, there's been a lot of talk of this. They're trying to gauge it. And this is why I say it's the most important issue to spread awareness about right now,

is that people go like, listen, under no circumstances do you go for this because what's going on right now and this is something that happens a lot is they put these feelers out and they gauge how much resistance there is to this but like the white pill in all of this is that if there's too much resistance they will pull back this idea if you remember joe biden floated out um national vaccine passports yep and they float this out through like vaccine passports yep and they float this out through like their corporate press outlets and they go oh we're talking about this and then there was a big uproar about it and then they pulled it back they go no no we were never talking about doing that talking about obama announced that we were going to invade syria

there was a huge pushback to it and he pulled it back we didn't invade syria we only covertly funded isis but that's a story for another day. But even with SOPA, if you guys remember the original plan of regulating the internet. SOPA and HIPAA. Yes, that's right. They floated this out. There was too much resistance, and they pulled it back. So there is actually a lot of power. There's a reason why they try to propagandize people.

There's a reason why they use propaganda, because they recognize that they actually do have to have at least a level of tacit support to get these policies through so like the central bank digital currency is the big one right now to me like oppose that as vocally and as loudly as you can how they feel like they have to pull this back because that's game over for us unless unless there's a major crisis so that makes it tougher have you seen that Balaji guy predict a couple weeks ago that Bitcoin would be, I think it was a month ago now, Bitcoin would hit a million dollars in 90 days? Yeah.

I heard people talking about that. He was talking about how, I think it's like treasury bonds are a negative asset. The interest rates on them is lower than the interest rates by the Fed and the inflation, so they're guaranteed, once they mature, to be a loss for the banking institutions.

These unrealized losses will cause a cascade, which basically destroys these banks. We started seeing glimpses of it with SVB, with, what was it, Silvergate, First Republic, and then Sovereign, I think it was. And so if they are planning, and they've mentioned launching the cbdc by july the only way they can effectively do it is if there is a major crisis now imagine this

because our our audiences are already heard me mention this but i'm curious your thoughts a major bank collapses like i'm talking like a huge branch maybe not a regional something bigger and then you get a major news, Wells Fargo or something, right? Something. Are they still around? I know they had a big problem. Yeah. So let's say there's a big collapse like Wells Fargo. We're talking about millions of people saying, I can't get my money out. Joe Biden comes out and says, my fellow Americans, those who have been impacted by the collapse of these banks, fear not. your money is insured and covered. Simply download fedcoin.app and log in using your social security number and all of your currency will have been preserved and

converted to the new central bank digital currency, saving your assets. And then people will say, thank you, Joe Biden, as they log in to adopt CBDC.c yeah well i mean hopefully we can kind of wake as many people up as possible to what that'll really mean yeah but yeah you're what what what what is what does a dad do when one day he's told if you want to buy groceries you must use cbdc yeah that's that's a tough choice i mean like yeah wait so you'll probably be able to get yes the central bank digital currency um look what's going on here that is, what I find to be more likely, if there's a lot of pushback to this idea of a central bank digital currency, is that they're just going to lower interest rates again and kick the can down the road for another few years. I think that's where we're going is back down to 0% interest rates when all of these banks really start failing, which I think is inevitable. And this is kind of like, if you're familiar with the Austrian economics, which is the only good economics out there, I really encourage everybody, if you're interested in the topic, to look them

up. Basically, the way the boom-bust cycle works is that when you have artificially low interest rates, you build up bubbles. When the rates start inevitably coming up, those bubbles burst. It's basically like this false, it's like price fixing like anything else. When you fix the price of the cost of money, which is all interest rates are, is the price of money. When you fix those, you get investments you wouldn't otherwise have. People borrow money when there's very low interest, when they wouldn't have borrowed that money at a high interest rate loan, because that makes it profitable. However, once the interest rates start to come up, as is inevitable, then they realize, oh, this project never should have been started to begin with, and then you have this whole collapse.

All of these banks are completely built now because this insane policy, which is if we survive, historians will write books about how crazy it was that anyone let this happen, that we had from literally from 2008 through with slight interruptions, almost through 2021, we had 0% interest rates. The Fed fund rate was either zero or a quarter of a point or something insanely low. And all of these banks have been built off of that at this point. And so like what you're talking about with the interest rates rising and then the treasury is becoming completely worthless or even a loss in some cases, that's one aspect of it. There's several. But a lot of these things, there's still people in adjustable rate mortgages out there. They can't afford these interest rates going up anymore. And just for a little bit of

perspective, you know, in what Volcker had to do under Ronald Reagan to rein in the inflation of the 70s, he brought the Fed fund rate up to 20%. Now, the thing is, they weren't $30 trillion in debt back then. We can't do anything like that or it would pop this entire

bubble. So we're in a bad spot. Yeah. I say just, we gotta get it over with man that we'd be better off in the long term this is another insight of like the austrian uh economist that like you're basically you're better off in the long term to feel the pain now and then at least start building from scratch yes but the reason why they're drawing it out the titanic has hit the iceberg they don't want the people on the ship to know because they'll panic.

So they are loading up as much fine china into these safety boats. That's a very good analogy. And they're going down the safety boat. Everything's fine, everybody. Everybody. Don't worry. We're just going to be over here.

And you're like, why are they in the lifeboat and leaving? Everybody should, everybody that listens to like stuff that's whether it be libertarians or stuff like you know center right you know this kind of stuff everyone know has known that this has been coming like that the u.s has been giving money away for a decade that the government is completely irresponsible with the monetary policy and i don't want to sound like a like a you know ins or whatever, but it's like people have been saying buy guns for a decade.

People have been saying buy ammo, buy food, learn to do things. I mean, Tim's been talking about chickens for five years now. Like, not for nothing. And I understand that there are always people that are learning about this stuff and finding out, but the people that have been putting this off, you have literally, it's possible that you only have months before there's a serious credit crisis. I want to say this again because I said this the other day. I said it at my morning show.

We make fun of these soy boys, these Antifa scrawny gaunt soy boys who get arrested firebombing buildings. And there are many people who listen to shows like this who are like well i can't speak up i'll lose my job and it's just like how are they the soy boys yeah these far leftists are willing to like destroy everything in the psychotic rage call them something else you know yeah and like i can understand people being afraid of risk and all that i'm just saying like take stock of like where you are at and your ability to stand up to the problems this country is facing. And what precautions and actions you've taken to protect yourself and your family before you start casting stones at soy boys. Right.

And you can take minor steps to live your values, right? You don't have to confront everyone all the time if you, like, put your jobs at risk. But, like, don't continue to consent to everything that happens, right? Like micro changes that are manageable so you are not just giving in. Yeah, at least try to start putting yourself in a position where your job wouldn't be at risk. You know what I mean?

Like try to at least start like protecting yourself where like you would be able to speak up about what you want. Look, I mean, obviously there's an asymmetry between who they're calling the soy boys on the left and these guys. Like the system is designed to protect those guys and the system will come crash down on you.

We are really living in anarcho-tyranny as Sam Francis would have called it. You see, Donald Trump will get arrested because there's so many damn laws on the books that they have a new law they can use against him. Meanwhile, rapists and murderers will go free. But hold on. Where's any conservative prosecutor in this country to go after Obama and the Democrats for campaign finance violations? One time, one, one count, one charge,

one misdemeanor, anything, I'll take whatever I can get. Yeah, and there's plenty there. There's plenty of stuff there. Right, and Bragg vomits all over himself in an embarrassing fashion. But he didn't care. It's like that story I tell where the Taco Bell employed the Black Lives Matter mask on.

And they said, take it off or you're fired. He goes, I guess I'm fired. Made a video saying, how dare you? And they rehired him saying, we're sorry. Bragg will indict Trump on BS. And conservatives will be like, slow down there, Democrats. Well, you know, this was the kind of like the most like annoying boomer con, like National Review talking point about Donald Trump being impeached. Is there like this is just going to lead to like now everyone's going to impeach every president and then the next president will be impeached. Like now there's no political will on the Republican side to impeach Joe Biden right now.

Right. And because the reason really is, is that they're all in the same club like they're they're the the globetrotters and the generals they're playing their positions the republicans up there in capitol hill they're on the same team they're just they're there to be the generals they're there to say like we stood up against this and then we got walked over or whatever so that no that's not actually what's happening you know you know this reminds me of it's that simpsons bit where you know crush has got a gambling problem i think it's barty's like you bet against the globetrotters and he's like i thought the generals were due like dude we keep betting on these republicans but they're just there to pretend to oppose democrats for the most part there's a small handful that do thomas massie

is pretty good yeah matt gates is pretty good. Matt Gaetz is pretty good. And it's not that they're afraid to use state power. You know, by the way, oh my God, it bothered me to no end when a few months ago when, what's his name? I'm sorry, I'm blanking on his name. Michael Knowles was on the show and he got into a little bit of an argument with Luke.

But when he was saying, which I think is, there's this new kind of like right wing uh like narrative that which i is really kind of entertaining to me where they go you know the problem is that libertarians convinced the republicans that you can't use the state and so we decided that okay we agreed yeah using the government is i think he said it's a priori wrong and so then what happened was the left just took over all of these institutions Yeah, using the government is, I think he said, it's a priori wrong. And so then what happened was the left just took over all of these institutions. And that's kind of a nice story.

I understand where it would make some right-wingers feel good about the story. But objectively, it's not what happened. It's not at all what happened. What actually happened was that the Republicans, who had the support of all the conservatives in the country, decided to completely abandon any libertarian principle that they had. And while libertarians were screaming at them from the top of our lungs that, like, you're creating the Department of Homeland Security. This will be a nightmare.

This will be used against American citizens. They were like, no, no, no, we're fighting terrorism. And when we told them, don't fight this war in Iraq, they were like, no, no, no, we're spreading freedom. And don't pass the Patriot Act and all of these things. They ignored us. They went all in on state power. And now that state power is being used against those people. It's a like horrifically tragic, ironic thing that the voters who supported George W. Bush creating the Department of Homeland Security are now the targets of the Department of Homeland Security. And then you get Luke talking about

how he goes out to rallies and he's got these people who used to be staunch conservatives or neocon being like, you were right about everything. Yeah, well, that's the weird thing is that they'll admit we're right about everything in the past, but then they also won't like, but then as soon as we tell them

what we think they should do now, they go, all right, Lulbert, whatever. You know, it's like, even when you see the other day when it's like these people like advocating for gun control against transgender people or whatever after this shooting. And then like some libertarian will be like, you know, they'll make the point that you're like, you know, if you advocate that the government can take away your guns because you have a mental illness. They're going to decide that racism is a mental illness pretty soon. And anything you say is racist and take away your guns. And then they'll be like, they're already against us.

So it, and you're like, dude, it can get worse. Don't think it can't get worse. Michael Malice points out. Let me just say that, if you imagine if the guy who told you don't create the Department of Homeland Security or you could be the target of it,

and then you did it, and then you're the target of it, and they go, hey, don't create this next thing or you could be the target of it. And then you did it and then you're the target of it. And they go, hey, don't create this next thing or you could be the target of it. And they go, whatever, idiot. Yeah, but not this time. Yeah, not this time. Michael Malice talks about this. He said that people really don't understand how bad bad could be.

Yes. That you've got people on the right saying like, oh, it's so bad right now. It's like, you don't know how bad it is. He's absolutely right. Someone should make him press secretary. He was absolutely right someone should make him press secretary there was absolutely right so the story uh i like to tell is my my ukrainian friend saying that uh i was i was when i was in ukraine covering a lot of these these the you're my dad stuff started what became the separatist start of what became the war i guess although i can go back far

uh she was telling me that the apartment she was in, like 30 some odd years ago, there were neighbors. They lived next to each other. They were fighting because they're neighbors. So the person in her unit called the police and said, I overheard my neighbor saying anti-government things. And the next day, the apartment was cleaned out and the person was gone. So what year was this in? I don't know. It was the 70s or something maybe.

Oh, okay. Long time ago. Maybe earlier. It was a story. It might have been the 50s. She was just saying like, these houses were all the communist block housing. And she was like, the story they passed down is

she was like, I live here, there was a person who lived here during the Soviet Union who got mad at a neighbor. And that's what they could just do. And all they did was they called the cops and said, they were saying things against the party. And the next day, they were gone. Everything they had gone, like Like apartment was empty. Yeah.

And like, right. So it's like, and this is kind of like, I think part of the message of Michael Malice's last book, The White Pill, or maybe just kind of like what I took from it. But the message is kind of like, look, it can get so bad. You know what I mean? Like it can be so much worse than you can even conceive of. But then it also kind of makes you think like, look, there are also like little signs of things kind of like this that we're doing now. So, hey, let's really make sure we don't go down that path.

Because, you know, even when they were encouraging people during COVID, remember, there were points where it's like, oh, there was this hotlines where you could text and mention if someone was having a gathering or something. There are still government agencies that tweet out if you see something, say something. And they've been doing it for the past 20 years since the GWAT started. Well, it started after 9-11. It was like, hey, if you see a Muslim planting a bomb on a building or something, and then it turned into like, or maybe there's three people hanging out. Yeah, right. Maybe.

I ask people to think of it this way. You ever see a rabbit? You guys out in the middle of nowhere? Mm-hmm. Imagine why the rabbit must feel, right? Just a tightly wound ball of anxiety. Scared the entire time. And sometimes when they're safe, you know, they frolic around. They bounce and they do fun bunny things.

You see them flop on their side for those that have rabbits. But when I go outside, I see the bunnies. A better example, actually actually is the groundhog outside there's a window right here today when i was recording earlier i got up to close the window and i saw a groundhog and when i closed the window the simple very very quiet noise made the thing spaz out and run in random directions imagine what that thing must be feeling right that's how you will feel if this country goes down that path. You will be sitting in your home,

stressed out with bags under your eyes, rocking back and forth, eating a bowl of soup, and then you'll hear a knock on the door and you'll go, and then you'll go and you'll answer it and you will pray that it's not the Gestapo, the Stasi,

the police, or the brown shirts or whoever, and then one day it will be and that's it. And it doesn't have to be this way. That and that's it and it just and it doesn't have to be this way you know like that's kind of like my biggest like message that it's like it doesn't have to be this way it didn't have to go this way in the past there's nothing like predestined about that i think this is one of the things that like the neo-reactionary types get

completely wrong where they're like oh it was all written in the stars since the enlightenment that this would follow this and this would follow this and it's like no, no, that's not true. It wasn't written in the stars that the Soviet Union would collapse in 1991. It wasn't written in the stars that a lot of things that have happened have happened. And we could have, look, even something as simple as like, look, if George W. Bush just hadn't won the presidency,

which was a very, very close election, there wouldn't have been a war in Iraq. Now, I'm not saying everything would have been better under Al Gore. You think there wouldn't have been? I think Al Gore would not have gone to a war in Iraq. That was something that that specific group of neoconservatives had a boner for since they wrote it in the Project for a New American Century. That was not something that was widely...

Now, once it started, a lot of them fell in line with that. But I'm just saying that there's no reason why we had to go down this path that we've gone down the last 20 years. I'm not saying everything would have been perfect, but we could have done things a lot better. And we could stop now and make the future much better. This country still has an unbelievable opportunity. If you just think about the fact that, like, think about the amount of just knowledge we

have, how much human capital there is just in our knowledge today what the average say like a cardiologist knows that a cardiologist didn't know in 1950 now short of a hydrogen bomb going off that knowledge is not going to be is disappeared but our engineers know the amount of technology that we have we have all of these things where we could actually correct course right now and just live in a more peaceful, harmonious world. But it's only going to happen if there's like a mass demand for it. You know what's crazy?

Just as an aside, if you went back in time 2,000 years with your general knowledge of things that exist today, without knowing how an H-bomb is made, without knowing how to make an electric motor, if you simply wrote down these things and said electricity, electric motor, it would dramatically increase scientific development for those people by hundreds of years just simply knowing a thing exists.

Because one of the challenges is that for all of us in society, we are mapping things out and discovering things and then after we discover it, we start experimenting with it. If we skip the discovery phase and say, it exists, figure it out, people would rapidly discover these things. If they believed you. Because if you went back 2,000 years ago,

if they didn't, they'd be like, it just sounds like magic. There's some comedian who talks about like, I don't think I could make it. He'd be like, you know phones? You'll be able to carry one around in your pocket. And they're going to ask him like, how does that happen? I'm pretty sure it's Nate Bargetzi is who you're thinking about.

Probably. I wish I knew his name. It's such a funny bit. He's an amazing comedian and a great person. He does this whole thing. Yeah, he's got this bit. He goes that he couldn't even convince them he was from the future. He's like, I couldn't tell you.

I think it's got something to do with satellites. Like I'd go back in time and do worse because I couldn't explain to you. It's such a funny bit where he'd be like, he'd have like no follow up. You go like, I think it's satellites. And they're like, what's a satellite? And he's like, I shouldn't have even brought it up. Such a great bit. Hilarious comedian, Nate Bargatze.

But think about that because I've talked about it too. In terms of if we do face a serious serious collapse what is more worrying to me than a nuclear bomb going off an emp drone weapon or even the sun bursting and whatnot electronics is economic crisis yes i agree with you if if the economy stops then you're not going to have computers you're not going to have cars you're not going to have electronics and it's not because a magical explosion from the sun wiped it out it's going to be because people aren't working together because the economic machine itself is a powerful system that if you break one peg in it it can collapse yeah and and this is when really bad things happen when there's a really bad economy

right like if you look back if you look back at any like horrible totalitarian movement it almost always started with like there was a real economic crash we've got an economic issue going on in the u.s and we are in a proxy war with the country that has the most nuclear weapons on on the planet and people just go to go about their normal days like that is just the way things are that it's okay look that should be the most it should be the the most important thing is yes stopping well you5.00 But it's not like it's a slow boil, right? People got eased into the economic turmoil and then they got used to it and then they got used to everyone talking about Ukraine.

We had the moment where everyone put up their flags and then it's sort of been happening in the background for like a year. 05.01 How we got here is, I get it, you may be right, how we got here is not important just because of the ramifications of something going wrong. 05.03 Well, the thing is this, right, how we got here is not important just because of the ramifications of something going wrong. Well, the thing is this, right? And when you talk about kind of like the economic – the prospects of a really terrible economic situation. There's this – by the way, there's a great book, if anyone wants to read it, called The Forgotten Crash of 1921 by James Grant. Really excellent book.

So in 1921, a lot of people don't know this, there was a crash that was worse than the stock market crash of 1929, which led to the Great Depression. But at the time, the Federal Reserve was created in 2013. There wasn't much. I'm sorry. 1913. There wasn't much of a federal regulatory apparatus yet. It hadn't really come in. The government was just kind of like weak compared to – so basically they did nothing. There was no intervention.

And the crash was over within a year. It was a bad year. And then the economy totally recovered and all of it. So there is this natural cleansing mechanism. Like it basically what I'm trying to say is with all of our modern technology today, if we were to just get the government out of the way, if we were to just let the market work, if we were to just we could cleanse out all of our modern technology today, if we were to just get the government out of the way, if we were to just let the market work, if we were to just, we could cleanse out all of these problems and we could be fine. We could very easily negotiate a peace in Ukraine.

It is so simple. It's so obvious what needs to happen. It's like, look, and this is a bitter pill for some to swallow, but it's the reality. Crimea is Russia's. It's not going back. Here's the truth. It never really wasn't theirs. It was always theirs. It's basically been there since the

1780s. They allowed Ukraine to have independence if they leased out this naval base. The second that the Ukrainian government, after it was overthrown by a coup that was backed by the West in 2014, they said, you got to get that. Yeah, they will. And we talk more about that. I would love to. But they said they tore up the lease and Vladimir Putin said no. Now they claim Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine. I mean, excuse me, invaded Crimea.

It's true that he sent in some reinforcements. He didn't really invade. They left the base. They walked outside and they went, this is ours now. It was a bloodless coup de main. They were outside. And they went, this is ours now. It was a bloodless coup de main. They were there already. Yes.

I mean, maybe like four people died or something like that. And it was not even from the Russians. It was like in some protests and stuff. It's not exactly clear. But this wasn't like some bloody invasion. They just walked out. Most of the people there wanted to be with Russia. It's majority ethnic Russian.

And they had their huge base there. That's not going anywhere. The Donbass region, they're probably going to have to be given independence of some sort. West of there should be returned to Ukraine, and it should be demanded that if we guarantee Ukraine will never be a part of NATO, then Vladimir Putin pulls all of his presence back from west of the Donbass region. That offer would end the war tomorrow. This is literally what the deal was that they had worked out when Boris Johnson went over last year to tell the Ukrainians not to agree to this,

as was reported by Fiona Hill, not a libertarian dove. Fiona Hill even reported this, right? So we could work that out and the bloodshed could end tomorrow, except you got idiots like Joee biden and then people in the press like pierce morgan going not one inch he shouldn't get one inch why should he get anything it's like oh so that we don't keep yeah tens of thousands of people dying literally for the next

five years and so that there's not ultimately a nuclear war that's why and because like whether luhansk is ruled by kiev or mosc Moscow is not more important than whether we go to nuclear war. I'm sorry, Dave, whether Luhansk is ruled by Kiev or Moscow is of no matter to me at all. At all. You'd struggle to find something lower on my list of priorities. To be fair, I have having been to the country and meeting people there, I have friends, but they don't live in that region. And many of them left the country, sadly. And so it's like, I don't know, like 0.1%. Like, I don't want them to suffer. I feel bad for them. But I don't think about Ukraine in that way. I'm really worried about the southern border and our economy. Yeah. And look, by the way, just the

point I was making before, it's like, oh, the correct answers to all of these problems are actually fairly obvious. The challenge is actually getting the psychopaths who rule us to implement any of them and i'm not pretending to have an easy answer to any of that but also just with this ukraine thing man it's like and it's been funny because i like uh you know i've gotten when i was on rogan last time i they clipped you know the segment where i was talking about this it went like super viral so it's been so funny to get like all the pushback from like all the blue checks. I mean, now everyone has a blue check, but before when they're getting rid of theirs. Yeah, I know.

But at the time it was before Elon took it over and getting all the pushback from all of them. And it's just so hilarious to see where they're all like try to argue like, nah, it wasn't America provoking this. This war has nothing to do with NATO expansion. This war has nothing to do with NATO expansion. This war has nothing to do with us overthrowing the government of Ukraine. This war has nothing to do with us flooding in weapons after we installed a pro-Western government to Ukraine. And you're like, dude, I mean, you're just so removed from the reality of what's going on here.

And it's not just like things, it's not just like, oh, the wacky libertarians or the crazy anti-war leftists are saying this. Even the people within the national security apparatus knew this. The current CIA director wrote a cable. Do you ever read this, Tim? The nyet means nyet. So, okay, this is a secret. This was not like a public, like, released document.

He, the current Burns, who's the head of the cia he was the ambassador to russia in 2008 and he wrote a memo back to condoleezza rice we only have this memo because julian assange dumped it okay it's the only reason we know about this that he wrote a memo this is not what he's telling the public this is what he's telling his boss the secretary of state just so she knows and. And he goes, look, I'm here in Russia. And over the last few years, I got to tell you, the idea of Ukraine entering NATO is the brightest of red lines. And this is not just the brightest of red lines to Putin.

He goes the entire Russian elite, like from the craziest right wingers to Putin's sharpest liberal critics. He goes, I've yet to meet one person who sees Ukrainian entry into NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russia. And he goes on to say that this will lead to fertile ground. He's putting it in diplomatic language. But it's a uniting front for them. This will lead to fertile ground for intervention in Crimea and Ukraine. He tells them, now, three months after that, at the Bucharest summit, NATO announced Ukraine and Crimea will be joining NATO.

Three months after that, he goes to war with Georgia. I'd just like to read something for you real quick. I'm just going to read this. It says, Taras berdenyi is the chief executive officer of barista holdings hold on we'll skip forward a little bit it says in 2017 joseph coffer black former director of the counterterrorism center of the cia in the george w bush administration and former ambassador at large for counterterror was appointed to the board so uh i like this is around the same time that he appointed Hunter Biden to the board.

No, this is, right, right, yes, 2017. Yeah, 2017. So Hunter Biden was 2015, maybe? 2014, I believe. Okay, that might be right. In 2014, Devin Archer and Hunter Biden were appointed to the board. I bring this up just for one reason.

You mentioned all these people who are like, we didn't provoke, we didn't do this. I have not had a single conversation with a liberal in support of Ukraine war who could tell me what Burisma is, what Gazprom is, and what the cutter turkey pipeline are. Yeah, no, they have no idea. But listen, and the thing, the deal with Burisma, the reason why they're putting all these people on their boards is essentially, they were essentially like cronies of the Yanukovych government. And by the way, Yanukovych was a real corrupt government ukraine's always been a crazy corrupt country there's like i don't have the exact numbers of this offhand but

yanukovych's son was i think like the fifth richest person in ukraine and he was a dentist like there wasn't even like a plausible reason for now again we can be we can be judgmental but nancy pelosi is also worth like a few hundred million dollars and we got a you know we got a fair amount of this stuff going on here too. But Yanukovych was democratically elected and the elections were verified by the EU. And like, so there's, no one's really like claiming that. And the Maidan revolution, this bloody street pooch was completely backed by the West.

You can look at a million different angles where it was funded by, George Soros' website brags about how they were instrumental in organizing the protest movement. Of course, Victoria Nuland was going over there on multiple trips, just passing out food and water. You had McCain and Murphy and Lindsey Graham, all these senators meeting them, billions

of dollars of U.S. aid flowing into the country, all types of this involvement. But Burisma was in with the yanukovych government so when the u.s backed coup overthrew the yanukovych government they were freaked out and they were like oh no where do we stand now so instead of just bribing the pershingo government they went right to the source and they go we'll just put the vice president's kid on our board we'll hire hire former CIA guys. So they basically, in essence, they protected themselves with the new regime by just bribing who they knew the

real boss of the new regime was, which was the USA. I just find all of this to be like, if you track the history of the region, the energy crisis, the energy competition, it's fairly obvious what's going on. And like you pointed out with Crimea, this is Russia's, I believe, their only warm water port. Yes.

Yes. The only year-long warm water port. And it's their access to the Mediterranean. And the U.S. was basically like, not anymore. So, of course, Russia's only move was going to be. It's Russia now. Yeah. Well, and look, look, we almost no one I ever like talk to ever disagrees, even like the most hardcore libertarian who might like take some position of like, well, you have to invade us before we can attack you. No one thinks it was unreasonable for Jack Kennedy to say you can't have nuclear missiles in Cuba pointed at us.

Like you just can't have that. That's an act of war as far as we're concerned. We have a Monroe Doctrine, right, that states that no faraway power can come over here and meddle in our part of the world. We would not accept China overthrowing the government of Mexico and installing a pro-Chinese government. Nope. We will go to war with you over that.

And now you're telling me that like our monroe doctrine extends all the way to russia's borders but they're not allowed to have a monroe doctrine for the country next to them for their largest neighbor to just say that like yo you and then like people will come back to me and they'll be like well vladimir putin was interfering in ukraine at the same time america was and it's like yeah that's true but america interfering in mexico is not the same thing as vladimir putin interfering in mexico right and us intervening in ukraine is not the same thing as vladimir putin intervening in ukraine it's not just a matter of what's right and wrong it's just like reality it's just like you know if

you just hypothetically like let's say you woke up and you were the president okay sure what's the first thing you would do the the first thing i would do would be to uh announce that we are no longer supporting uh that we're no longer backing ukraine in this proxy war and that we're demanding negotiations whoever my secretary of state i'll send scott horton uh over there to sit down with Sergey Lavrov, work out a deal. That's it. You guys are locked in a room until you've come up with an immediate ceasefire. I kind of feel like it would happen very quickly.

It would happen very quickly. Yeah. He'd walk in and be like, we don't want to be involved. And he's like, okay, we're out. Have a nice day. Yeah. Well, that's it. And look, like I said before, the outline to the deal is so obvious.

It's right there in front of everybody. You know, it's like it's just a matter of actually getting people to do it. But that'd be number one then I would pardon you know Julian Julian Assange Edward Snowden Ross Albrecht I pardon probably write an executive order that repealed every executive order ever written oh do you know it'd be a big day you know I would do I wouldn't you know the Simpsons scene where he's in the land of chocolate and he's running around and he's like biting everything that would be me signing pardons

I would be I would so if it were me I'd basically pardon any nonviolent offense like almost any non-property destruction non-violent like anything like just possession of a gun possession of drugs anything like that

as long as they didn't plead down so if it's like war on drugs stuff and Second Amendment violations, I'm going to be going like, do, do, do, do, do, do. She's just signing them. It's like rubber stamp. 100%. And then we're free. So many unemployed bureaucrats.

So many unemployed bureaucrats. Oh, yeah. It would be so much fun. Yeah. My hand would fall off from signing all the things. Well, that's what we need. But for now, we'll go to Super Chats. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com.

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okay normies get out and continuing to be our company cult leader can i just point out though normies get out it's got an american flag beanie has been a member for 37 months yeah wow it shows you how deep this cult goes yeah the american super hostile takeover by chris burtman the american flag beanie is like the ultimate beanie icon, isn't it? Wow. Yeah, it's the highest ranking beanie. So when you're a member on the YouTube channel, you get various beanie icons or different colors. Some are like, Jason Dixon's got one that's like gold with gems on it.

All right. Carrie Locke says, glad to see Davey Smith back. Each of your thoughts on RFK Jr. running for president as a Democrat. In my opinion, his voice on the primary stage will have a similar shock factor as, say, Dave Smith in a 2024 presidential run. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I mean, I think it's good.

That's about it. I don't know that much about his politics other than the COVID stuff. But, man, yeah, it'd be like incredible to have his voice there. And the fact that he's a Kennedy, like that his last name is Kennedy

and he's not like one of the like outskirts of the Kennedys. He's not like someone like, oh, you know, like I'm like a sixth cousin or something. Like he's a real heir to the Kennedy legacy. I mean, like, yeah, I think that'd be incredible. I'm for all this stuff. Like when people float out the idea of Jimmy D, yeah, I think that'd be incredible. I'm for all this stuff. Like when people float out the idea of Jimmy Dore running, I think that'd be amazing.

I think Kennedy Jr. running would be amazing. I think like as many more people like that as you can get in would be great. And maybe even a great libertarian. And antipathy or antipathy says regarding yesterday lefties being stronger. I disagree. I believe those committing violence are the fodder who have nothing to lose. The left's advantage is promising fool's gold to fools. That is true. Someone else super chatted that because we did mention the same topic today. I understand that, that it's easy for them. But I actually also kind of disagree to an extent. Let me let me ask your thoughts, Dave. Do you have a family? I do. Who do you think is more willing to fight for their ideology?

Someone with nothing to lose or someone who needs to save the lives of their children? Yeah, certainly if your family is threatened, I think there's no one willing to fight more than that. However, I would say that it's probably true that someone with a family is a little bit more risk averse than someone without one. And so the point I'm making is the threat to your children is very real to an extreme degree. But it's fifth generational warfare. So people are convinced if I stay low and keep my head down, my kids will be safe when in fact you're condemning them. Yeah, that's how I see it. If the far left is willing to go out and firebomb things, they get let go, they're protected, and they'll indict a former president. What future is going to be left behind for your kids to be safe? And I mean, so if your plan is

to get them to El Salvador, then I'm like, okay, that makes sense. If you were like, look, I can't fight. I have a family. We're moving to El Salvador. Cost of living is cheaper. Everything's dramatically improving. Bitcoin's revolutionizing everything. I'd be like, totally get it. But if you were like, I want to save America because my children are going to live here, I'd be like, well, then why are you just saying I can't do anything? I have kids and I can't put them at risk. Yeah, and no one's saying you should do

what the left's doing. It's not saying you should go fly a balloon. Don't do that. But, like, it's just like, well, what are you doing? Like, do your best to do something. Like, send a message to Scott Pressler and say, like, what do you need you doing? Do your best to do something. Send a message to Scott Pressler and say, what do you need, buddy? Because this guy's been organizing. So there's one option.

But also I think that simply put, you know what you do? Have more kids. I completely agree with that. And not even just to win in the political future. It's just really great to have kids. Could you imagine if it's like, if you're a guy watching this show and you're like, honey, we've got to do our part to save the future. So let's just really great to have kids. Could you imagine if it's like, you know, if you're a guy watching this show and you're like,

honey, we've got to do our part to save the future, so let's go to the room and, you know, let's get to it. Ever see the movie Grease? Do it for our country?

Remember that scene when you're in the bomb shelter? Do it for our country? Yeah. All right. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Tim,

it's nice that you say F them, boycott everything, but we're all becoming a bit more polarized. You know, I'd rather, I'd rather it,

but do any of you see the slowing down before it hits the big fan? So this was about the Budweiser thing. They had Dylan Mulvane. Now, Dylan Mulvane, I guess, is also a brand ambassador for Nike. And I'm just like, boycott all of it. You have these people being like, I own a liquor store,

and we're getting rid of Bud Light. And I'm like, you've got to get rid of all Anheuser-Busch. Here's the thing. If every single person who listened to this show told their friends and every single influential person who has shows who may hear me say this on their show says the same thing, do not buy anything Anheuser-Busch. It's not just about hurting them in the sales. It's about making them apologize. You want them to get to the point where they say, I'm sorry to you because that sets a cultural standard. Yeah.

And it scares the next guy. Like it scares the next company from doing something like that where they go, oh, there's a, there's a real price to be paid for this. And this is the point I'm saying about soy boys. When you said, but what are you doing? You know, people still have Netflix accounts. People still have Disney accounts. People are still buying bud light they're going like ah whatever it's but like who cares it's like that's it the leftist guy will get fired from taco bell because he can't

wear his blm mask and then taco bell caves and apologizes yeah but many of you won't get rid of your bud light and if uh in all fairness a few years ago i was like i don't know boycotts are stupid now i'm just like not you got to go 10 times harder you've got a if you have a liquor store get rid of anything and as your bush cancel all your orders and miller cores from now on they're like and i'll ask you this like which are indistinguishable by the way but i mean i'm sure someone will like disagree with me on that but like aren't all those beers just the same i think it's garbage anyway but like how many people go to the bar and like or go to a restaurant with their friends and family and order a bud light while they're having dinner like some people maybe but not really and would you really be upset if it

was like a high life instead of a bud light like i you remember back i like it's way better than bud yeah like remember back in cheers it's like the champagne beer, right? Yeah. Yeah. But you remember, you ever watch Cheers and they'd all go up and they'd be like, give me a beer, Sam. And then Sam would pour him a beer. And no one ever knew what that beer was, like what the brand was. It was just like bar beer. I don't know. I feel like if you go into a bar, like there are IPAs and there are Guinness or something

that's like a different thing. And how many local breweries are there? Like, go spend your money there. You don't need to do this. The other thing is, if you stop buying Anheuser-Busch and put all of that money into doubling

your Miller Coors purchases, then at the end of the quarter, Anheuser-Busch will report a massive decline in sales and Miller Coors will announce a major increase in sales. And I think this happened with Netflix. Netflix saw a, like, they lost, like, 2 million subscribers.

And then it was, like, serious problems at Netflix. And now they're recovering. And I think what happened was they had a bunch of weird, creepy, you know, abusive child exploitative content. Conservatives, in large numbers, started canceling. They panicked and then started canceling these woke shows. Conservatives started signing back up. Now they're recovering again. Yeah. And there might be some truth to that, that there's some like financial incentive there. But there's still something to their customers buying their products. Like that's still foundationally what their business is about. And if they're losing a huge portion of their customer base, that's going to negatively impact them. And there does – I agree with you, Tim, where like there probably was a time where I was like, yeah, like forget these boycotts.

It's silly. I don't care about the politics of my – you I used to say things like which I kind of disagree I used to say things like look I don't care if I go into my grocery store whether the the guy who owns it voted the way I voted or supported the war like whatever let's just but when there's such a like like like there's such a centralized um attempt to like indoctrinate to like infiltrate every inch of the culture with this at a certain point there's got to be a cost for that like if we can impose some cost on something like i don't care i'm a libertarian i don't care what adults do i don't care what you call yourself or how you identify i don't care live your life man if you're

happier that way be happier that way. But when there's this entire effort to like indoctrinate children and have this massive push of what is objectively abnormal behavior and trying to make it normal, it's like at a certain point there has to be a cost for that. So like maybe it has got to just be some type of boycott, something. Matthew Rickham says, Tim, why in the ever-living frack did you make a video about alternatives to Bud Light and not even mention Samuel Adams?

He's literally a founding father. Who owns Sam Adams? Sam Adams is not a bad beer. But who owns it? I like Sam Adams. I don't know. Is it not Jim Brewer? I'd like to think the Adams family has kept it in the house. The Boston Beer Co. Boston Beer. Miller Coors is one

company for people to understand because I saw someone mentioned it's Miller and Coors aren't by the same thing yeah it's Miller Coors is one company Anheuser Busch is another company and they own a whole bunch of beers so sure Sam Adams I guess but I'm also a bit you know reluctant because for all I know these

companies are playing all these giant corporations are on board with this stuff right so you basically want to buy them by saying don't do this openly right i personally think you should buy local i think you should buy small but if you can't then don't pick the one that's shoving it in your face that they are mocking basically all of your values yeah all right what do we got let's grab some more super chats ted 2 says airstrike on al-alaki guarantees killing action briefers come to trump about airstrike on target with kids present says no boots on ground instead much more judicious

girl gets caught in crossfire airstrike would be worse yeah i understand that so that's the the eight-year-old girl who is also an american citizen however that trump strike that's where the trump raid there's a difference there's a difference in the stories and i would be open to an inquiry into into both absolutely but in the story of the commando raid it is alleged by people who are there that this girl died due to the commando raid whereas with the airstrike it is not in dispute at all well that's look i mean that that is true although i do think it's pretty reasonable to assume that what those people were saying was was correct um and the girl from what i remember of the details it was pretty gruesome like bled out and died

it's horrible stuff this is what war is it's really really horrible but this is why at the beginning I said let's just even focus for like the sake of argument on just the Anwar al-Awlaki strike because that is admitted that he was the target of this strike and I'm sorry if we're to have anything if we're even

going to pretend to be a free society then if you an American citizen, you have to be charged with a crime. You get a lawyer, you get a judge, and you get a court. By the way, you can try someone who doesn't show up to their own, to their trial. They could have tried on Warawaki in America and been like, look, he's in Yemen. He's refusing to come back to face trial. The prosecutor can present this evidence. A judge can say, yeah, overwhelming overwhelming evidence but there's got to be something this is all law now though all the stuff you listed off there these are not only it's not just law it's stuff that's supposed to be you know protected in the most sacred of pieces of paper in all human history you know like and and and to think that that it's not just ignored by the government, which makes perfect

sense. Why wouldn't the government want to ignore the things that limit them? But ignored by the population. The people don't care. And when you bring up, hey, Barack Obama killed an American by a drone strike without a trial, people look at you like you got a penis growing out of your head. Well, I think people don't know. I think people forget all of this. Like, we are very aware of what's going on. We tend to follow the news, right? But there are tons of people who don't. And so if you were to say that,

they'd be like, you're making that up. That's fake news. They don't even know. Look, I've had people still say to me, they'll be like, what was Obama's biggest scandal? Wearing a tan suit? I can't eat Omar! And you're like,'re like dude i mean he had a secret kill list he armed al-qaeda like he's killed american citizens he started like five wars you're like well two of them were going when he came in

but he did i thought he started seven well he he had ir Iraq and Afghanistan. He surged in Afghanistan. He started Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, drone campaign in Pakistan. You know what? You might be right, Tim. We might be up to seven. I thought it was seven. Infuriating. And I have friends that are in the music industry and stuff. And it's like, you know, they talk about it. afghan well okay no actually i didn't start didn't start

iraq and afghanistan syria libya yemen somalia and pakistan were obama those were obamas right obama started those completely and we talk about donald trump as if he was so bad like barack obama started seven wars millions of people died because of his. I think we're clarifying. He started five. He was fighting over seven wars. He was at war every single day of his administration. And by the way, Trump was that bad.

It's just compared to all these other blood soaked monsters that you can even make an argument that they'll go. At least he didn't start a new one. Now, he did continue the worst of them back. Well, not really. I mean, look, again, we kind of went through this last time. If anything, he was like unhandcuffing the military and the rate of civilian deaths increased. He always talked about ending them. He always talked about pulling them back.

And I will give him credit that he did negotiate the withdrawal from Afghanistan. He was trying to get out of Syria as well. Yes, he was. And he was being lied to. Yes, that's true. But Biden is the one who really bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal. But I even give Biden credit for at least going through with it because there were generals who wanted to keep the war going.

But then, of course, he got us right into this proxy war in Ukraine. So all that credit goes out the window. I genuinely believe that Trump does not want these wars. I think he doesn't care for them. He doesn't understand them. He doesn't want to be involved. I just think there there's no circumstance where you snap your fingers and they're over. And you look at Afghanistan and what Joe I think Joe Biden did this intentionally as a if you make us pull out, this is what you get kind of thing.

It's possible or it's possible that people not quite at Biden's level, but like top brass military did that almost as a like, you know, like for the same reason. I agree with you that I think in Trump's gut, he's like, all these wars are stupid and we shouldn't have fought them. I do agree with that. That seems to be the case. All right. Death Magnet says gun control is treason.

Changed my mind. Actually, I think the way you frame taxes as self-incrimination is the most important thing. The idea that you have to incriminate yourself to the government in a potential crime is very interesting. Yeah, it's the reason why there is a Fifth Amendment. It's like that's a pretty basic function of freedom is that you can't be forced to incriminate yourself. But, yeah, I don't think – I'm certainly not going to. I don't think anyone here is going to change their mind about that. I kind of feel like most people don't want the income tax.

I don't know. They say they don't, but then it's when you talk about it. Well, a lot of people want the benefits. I mean, a lot of people want other people's money, you know? All right. Bob says, Dave Smith, you talk a lot, but will you actually come out and meet the people if you run, or will you only do pressers like every other libertarian? What do you mean

meet the people i'm there's no one more amongst the people than me i'm a comedian i'm out constantly all i do is meet people i'll i'm yeah i i don't even know what that means just do pressers is that the libertarians did or whatever i don't even know i don't even think that campaign from like house in delaware i don't even think that's true of past libertarian candidates. It's the internet. Anyone can get on it. Anyone can say stuff. Don't worry.

But also I will say that it's like, look, there is something to be said for the fact that like it's, you know, it's great to meet people. And I'm out all the time and meet. I love meeting like people who listen to a much, much larger group of people than you can by just like holding an event with a couple hundred people. Yeah. All right. John Deslate says, what if Don Trump gets imprisoned and Don Jr. runs on the platform of his father's imprisonment, gets elected, then pardons his father and becomes Don Jr.'s VP, then Trump 2028. Well, I'll break it down. Not going to happen. There is the... When does Barron run? Yes. Well, you know about those books, right?

Yes, I do. As soon as he gets tall enough. I actually, I own it, but I've never read it. So there is a possibility of, like, Trump going to prison and Don Jr. running, but you cannot at the federal level pardon someone imprisoned at the state level. Right. So that's just never going to happen and Don Jr. running, but you cannot at the federal level pardon someone in prison at the state level. So that's just never going to happen. Right, right, right.

Correct. It does. Look, it seems so crazy the idea that Donald Trump would actually be like convicted of this, but then you are like, it's going to be a New York jury. Yeah. You know, I mean like. Well, there are like, what are the odds you can get one in Staten Island? That's like the conversation I heard yesterday.

Staten Island will get him off in a second. We're going to have to Staten Island. Trump will be just fine in staten island all right what is this uh uh what we got here we'll grab some more hayden lewis says hey tim and gang i just want to give a shout out to ian for always trying to white pill us it gives me a small sense of hope that we could fix the u.s you know i you know. I respect it. I just think sometimes it feels like it's coming from a place of naivety. You know? When he says things like,

we've got to pardon Hillary Clinton, I'm like, I don't know about that. I remember a while it was like... Would you, Dave, pardon Hillary Clinton? Absolutely not. No, none of the people up at the very top need to be pardoned. Like, Fauci should be in prison.

Gavin Newsom and Cuomo and all Like Fauci should be in prison. Gavin Newsom and Cuomo and like all the lockdown governors should be in prison. All the high level like war criminals should be in prison. Would you put Trump in prison? Sure. If I was putting all of them in prison. If you could get everybody. Let me just say this. I wouldn't just put Donald Trump in prison.

Donald Trump should be charged with war crimes and violations of the Constitution and international law. But I say this about every president, like every president of my lifetime. my lifetime but that being said i mean this is all kind of like in fantasy here but that being said i think if you want to be white pilled on moving forward i do think that there's like there's a certain cutoff line and then other people like when you're trying to like almost like overthrow a corrupt authoritarian regime and instill a new regime, there does have to be forgiveness and reconciliation on a mass level. And I'm not talking about Hillary Clinton. I'm talking about your neighbor who supported the lockdowns.

I'm saying regular people who were just really bad on a lot of these things, you're not going to lock all of them up. Can you imagine what the second Reconstruction era is going to look like? You know, like Trump sending federal troops to California, Washington, and Oregon to occupy and replace their governments? Yeah. Well, we'll see. Yeah. He didn't do it during the riots.

I don't think he's going to do it. Kyle Bigelow says, Dave, love you, man. Been to two SFs. Sent my folks to your show in St. Louis. Listened to you and your people for years. What you're talking about is fresh and fit and biological red-pilling exposing feminism of all walks. Yeah.

I thought it was Fresh and Fit Podcast too. Wait, I didn't, I'm sorry. I didn't follow any of that. Oh, right, right, right. Oh, the Manosphere Podcast? Yeah, yeah. You were talking about Fresh and Fit. But what did you say?

He's been to two SFs? I don't know what that is. Skankfest. I'm sorry. I'm an idiot. Skankfest. Yes. That's awesome, dude.

This is your lingua. Well, I've never heard anyone call it SFs before, but yes. Okay. Got that. And then those were the Manosphere podcast. Yeah, look, nothing against those guys. I'm sure, like, they all, I probably agree with them on a lot of stuff. You know what I mean?

It's just, I'm just going off what clips I see on, like, the algorithm and stuff. A lot of it's just delivery. I mean, a lot of the time you can say these things in a more measured fashion. It's really about the delivery because the content you can deliver in a way where you're not going to make clips. But the clips are the point. I don't even know enough about him to really have an opinion or formulate one about him. But even like Andrew Tate, I probably agree with a lot of stuff that he says. I just hate promoting pimp shit to young kids. I hate that.

Like I'm a family man. And I don't like just as somebody who's like lived kind of a degenerate lifestyle for years. And then settled down and got married and had kids. And I'm like it's so much better and more meaningful and healthier to like be in this like in a great marriage. I hate anyone promoting to like young guys who are 22, 23 that like you should aspire to be a great marriage. I hate anyone promoting to guys who are 22, 23 that you should aspire to be a pimp. Can I ask you? It's ugly and nasty.

We had some debauchery? You're kidding. At one phase. At one phase, we did. Let me ask you. It's a short one, right? Do you feel like you can realize the value of the lifestyle you have right now

because you went through that phase in life? I'm not saying people should go through it, but do you think being able to see the difference is meaningful? I mean, yes. It's more of a contrast for me me and so it makes it that much clearer but that being said it's like it's like don't do what i did if you were like paralyzed from the neck down for like a few months and then you really appreciated the ability to walk i still

wouldn't recommend getting paralyzed from the neck down you know what i'm saying so like yeah to me it probably makes the contrast that much more clear. I still don't recommend any of that. It's bad for you. It's bad for your soul. It's bad for society. It's like none of it's good. Young men should aspire to like find a good woman and start a family with them. Like that's what you should be aspiring to do.

It's much more important than any of this political stuff that we talk about, which I do love talking about. Cleft the Misfit says with the results of the Wisconsin Supreme Court election election the question of trump versus desantis is no longer one of the one of preference the gop nominee has to win georgia arizona and nevada and guess which three swing states trump is the most unpopular in oh well there you go john casey says didn't trump ask for two thousand dollars for americans and nothing else and congress forced the 600 for for Americans and millions for Pakistani gender studies? I don't think Trump should have signed it, but I think he wanted to do something. Okay, but he signed it into law.

It does irk me just the constant excuse-making for Donald Trump. Look, I'm telling you, he was framed for treason. These charges are complete nonsense. He says a lot of good things, but he signed it into law. He did. And he had a lot of good things, but he signed it into law like he did. And he had a lot of leverage right there that like, look, Donald Trump, it's just like just run the counterfactual in your head. Right. If all Donald Trump wanted was two thousand dollar payments for Americans. Right. And he didn't want all of the corporate giveaways in there.

Then Donald Trump could have vetoed that bill, written a bill himself that said one page, two thousand dollars for all americans made a video about it you know it's donald trump said i'm sending this bill to congress you guys vote for this right now i'll sign it tonight but none of these corporate giveaways in there and just created enormous pressure and instead he sent all of his people to ragdoll the best congressman thomas massey for being the one guy to oppose it so don't give me these like constant excuses for like this he had no choice he had no he did have a choice he had all the leverage this is what i say about like uh when patreon claimed oh if we don't ban this guy mastercard will stop funding transactions and then everyone gets banned yeah and my response is

i and this actually happened tell mastercard you're going to send 100 million audience members who have lost access to their favorite podcasts to them when that happens. So when all of the biggest and most influential people in the world are asking where their money is, I'll say, I don't know, ask MasterCard. Let's see how you handle that. Let's see how your shares handle that. There's tremendous leverage. Yeah, you just have to be a little bit creative with this stuff and you can find solutions to all of this. It's like you said, Trump could have done a national

address where he said, we are not giving corporations free money. The money goes to the American people. If Congress puts forward a bill just for the American people, I'll sign it. But if they try and give their corporate buddies and the lobbyists free money, I'm not doing it. And then everyone would be rambling at Congress like, what's wrong with you? It would have been so easy to flip it right back around on them. And again, there's just so many things like this. Like, look, he was friends with Rand Paul, at least to some degree. Like they went golfing and stuff like that.

And like, why couldn't he have just gone to Rand Paul and been like, hey, Rand Paul, you're a doctor, even though he's an eye doctor, but whatever. You're a doctor. Who's a really good epidemiologist? Because I can't have this Fauci guy here all year long. Give me the best one, and let's bring him on board, and I'm firing Fauci. He could have done so many things better. And my whole point about this is I'm not just trying to say he has to be perfect before

we can support him. I'm just saying that recognize that like the stakes are so high that like this just isn't good enough. Keeping Fauci on the job through all of 2020, that's not good enough. Look at what it caused. We got to like set our standards a little bit higher and not make excuses for these politicians, no matter who they are, your side or the other side. All right. Mandy says 100% a deal is needed to give Crimea to Russia.

Putin doesn't want nukes and people who don't know the historical structure of that deal need to shut up. The Ukraine-U.S. expenditures need to be dealt with when we have new leaders. Pretty sure Putin has nukes. Well, I think she's saying Putin doesn't want to nuke a country. He doesn't want to use nukes. Yeah. Well, no, of course. Look, no one wants to use nukes when they know that nukes will be dropped on them if they use them. It's only a move out of desperation.

Only in the most desperate circumstances would it happen. But that's what people who are rooting so hard for Vladimir Putin to lose and be completely humiliated and on the verge of being overthrown need to think about. You're rooting for the one situation where he might use them monster says you should get dave on with destiny so uh actually we've been planning the show for a while and it's just an issue of we are waiting for the new studio to be built but the idea for the show is to actually have like dave smith with destiny and then have someone moderate and and have that kind of crossfire style show that used to be i'd love to yeah i think it would be enlightening and very enlightening uh charlie kirk says he's always down for for more shows we did the mock poster of vosh and charlie kirk when they came on the show and and debated quite a bit so i debate him

to i debate charlie kirk any of these guys i love doing stuff like that so i'm down to like whoever any of these guys are absolutely happy to talk to the the issue is we just need the new studio to be built so we have the space for because right now we've got like pop culture crisis and timcast irl the new studio space is going to have uh potentially even like three filming locations inside of it but one large general space that is multi-purpose for a bunch of different shows so i just want to do clint russell's poker show that's what i'm looking for with the boys i'll debate anyone if you'll book me on poker with the boys oh bro hands down i mean i think poker with the boys could be really unifying yeah in that having people who normally would argue

not talking about overt politics but having more like this this is a story i told earlier today this this guy i met at the poker tables said he thought the j6 or should be executed no joke but at the same time as i'm like that is the craziest thing i've ever heard yeah we were laughing and playing this fun game together where there were a few there was one hand where you know he's he's in hand i'm not he loses and he shows a he goes to showdown with ace five offsuit and then he loses and then he's like i can't win with this hand it's ridiculous every single time i get it as he's saying this i look down at ace five offsuit and i'm like oh this is too good if i win and then we go to showdown i i go i know i lost and i go you deserve to win and i flip it over and he busts out laughing that's the kind

of fun thing that brings people together despite the fact he said j6 or should be executed well this is what kind of why i'm like the essence of being a libertarian is hating politics because it is like if not for politics we could all just be getting along you know what i mean but if it's not for like whose political opinions i want by the way this poker show is this is going to be behind the paywall no oh this is going to be on youtube uh maybe i was going to say it's going to have to be if it's live but if i might get your channel banned on youtube well but i tend to say things you're not allowed to say on youtube we'll see what happens um the obviously the audience size is going to be for youtube

but the more fun may be rumble so yeah because then i gotta really you know if i start losing chips i'm gonna say all types of stuff yeah but all right all right. Oh, man. Allergies are kicking in. All right, everybody. If you haven't already, smash that like button. Subscribe to this channel. Share the show with your friends. Head over to TimCast.com. Click Join Us in the menu bar.

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One more thing, which isn't for me, but my brother, Big Jay Oakerson, who's like the funniest comedian in the universe, just put out a new hour special today, Dog Belly on YouTube. Go check that out. Really, really great. Wow.

No way. Sick. I am Phil Labonte. Phil that remains on Twitter. Phil that remains official on Instagram. And Phil that remains on YouTube. Yeah. I am definitely going to watch that Big Jay O'Kirsten special.

I'm a big fan of Big Jay. He's great. Yeah, he's hilarious. Everyone that's following me on Twitter, I can't believe I have that many followers. It's great. Yeah, he's hilarious. Everyone that's following me on Twitter, I can't believe I have that many followers. It's great. Yeah, at Serge.com. See you in the after show.

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