Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #755 Russian Arms Dealer WARNS Biden Admin Will Try To END Trump's Life w/Ron Paul

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

Tim, Ian, & Luke join Daniel McAdams & Ron Paul to discuss a Russian arms dealer warning Trump's life is at risk, Ron Paul explaining why our economy is failing, Ron Paul's thoughts on the American military industrial complex, the factors that cause Marxism, & how inflation & economic collapse causes gold prices to fluctuate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We got this really crazy story about this guy named the Merchant of Death, an arms dealer who was released in this trade in exchange. And I guess he's claiming he sent a message to Donald Trump that, I'll keep it very light, the Biden administration would prefer to make it so that he's no longer alive before they let him get in their way. You know, I'm being very, very delicate with the description of this story. And so we're going to talk about that because that's going to lead us into a lot of conversations around foreign intervention,

war, economic policy, and some cultural issues. There's some, I don't know, some weird actor guy. Is that what he was? Luke, he was a weird actor guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was talking about...

A musician, actor. A musician talking about exterminating Republicans. So all of this talk that we've seen is actually quite worrying. And then there's this crazy story about one of the Democrats who was expelled in Tennessee, who, well, there's a video of him from a few years ago where he's a middle-of-the-road centrist. And then when you look at videos of him today, he's doing this preacher bit, and everyone's saying he's basically grifting. It's either that,

or we have completely hyperpolarized rapidly. And with talk of people saying things like exterminating Republicans, yeah, maybe things are getting just a little bit hyperpolarized. Before we get started, my friends, head over to castbrewcoffee.com. This is our coffee brand that we launched, and I guess it doesn't appear on the screen properly, but it doesn't matter. And check it out. You can pre-order yours today. We've officially launched. It's in production, and you can pick up my favorite, Rise with Roberto Jr. Breakfast Blend. It's a light roast. going to have a members-only uncensored show coming up for you tonight at about 10 10 p.m eastern time and for those that have been members for at least six months or those who joined at the 25

dollar per month level you get instant access to our vip voice chat it's basically a screening process and then you can submit questions and even call into the show and yes we have it working tonight so you can call in ask us questions and i think this one is going to be a very special episode. So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and share it right now because this one is going to be one for the ages. Because joining us tonight is the legendary Dr. Ron Paul. Very nice. Nice to be with you tonight. It is an absolute honor. I've been following you for maybe half my life. I remember back in 2008, you lit a fire under so many young people with talk of freedom, anti-intervention,

sound economic policy. I had friends who were making music videos based off your ideas that were conveying similar messages and arguing on the internet. So it absolutely is an honor, especially considering everything that's going on right now. Would you like to just introduce yourself for everybody? Well, it's an issue that has caught my attention a long time ago because I came across this school of thought in economics called the Austrian School of Economics. It fascinated me.

I was practicing medicine. I was studying medicine. I was a resident and going through there. But that was my hobby, was trying to understand how the economic system worked. And I found out that in the 1960s, there were a lot of people who were predicting, you know, this idiocy of the Bretton Woods Agreement, the pseudo gold standard that was set up at the end of World War II. Even back then, Henry Hazlitt said, it's stupid. Don't do it. It doesn't work. And so the predictions were going. And the black market, the real market of gold, the dollar was fixed at $35 an ounce. That was official. But we had

most of the gold. So we had license to steal by just printing money and handing out the money and that that made it easy for the predictions it's not going to last we can see it it's sort of like today we're talking about when's the dollar going to end well back then it was when was the dollar going to be an honest currency and and and and be backed by gold well they had already declared bankruptcy in 1934 because they stole all the gold. Roosevelt stole all the gold from the American people. And, uh, so that was a bankruptcy. They, they promised that always give us $35 for paper. And the amazing thing is, is people said, Oh, okay, that's fine.

Just so I can get my goods goodies and the money works to a degree. So they patched that together. But they never they never gave the gold back to the people. And that that is what led me into it. And when the crash of the dollar came in 1971 is when I thought I want to speak out on it. And a vehicle was the political system. And then you ended up how many terms did you serve in Congress? I'd have to go and count them again.

About 23 years. But I was in three different times. You know, so it led to more. But I really, I had no desire. I never had a goal of, you know, this is a good deal. I think I have an opportunity. I think I could become a congressman.

Never once did that ever cross my mind because I remember so clearly when I talked to my wife and I was at a very nice medical practice and loved medicine, loved delivering babies. That might seem strange, but I did. I loved delivering babies. And so when I told her, she said, what in the world would you do that for? And I said, I tried to explain to her what I just said. You know, it's an important issue. And that's sort of something I've looked after. And I want to speak out. She said, you shouldn't do it. It's very dangerous.

And she was not into conspiracy. She didn't know anything about that stuff. But she said it was dangerous. And it turned out that she was right because she says it's dangerous because you're going to probably get elected and mix up our lives. And so I didn't expect to. I thought it was just a speaking opportunity. And that's the way it was for a long time. I was there for six years and decided I wanted to go back to medicine.

I still had kids to go through college. And then as time went on, the conditions didn't get much better. So I ran for Congress again, you know, in 1995 and went back back into the Congress. But but she was right and I was wrong. And even the people who suggested, oh, yeah, I got interested in what you were talking about, you know, when you ran for president in 2007 and 2008 and 2012. And believe me, I didn't anticipate that there would be people like maybe in this room that thought, well, you know, that sounds interesting stuff, you know. And so I was fascinated about it. Wow.

And then I had this revelation that when I went to the college campuses that young people were more open-minded than old people. I decided Chamber of Commerce weren't offering us free enterprise. So the young people were responding very well. Matter of fact, the one event that I remember so clearly was when we went to Berkeley. I think Berkeley was considered liberal, wasn't it? That's the way that was. A little bit liberal. But that was my biggest crowd. I had 8,000 young people come out. And there's something, because I knew I wasn't that great a speaker. So I said, that is a great message. You know, what people want to know and young people want to know.

And I would emphasize that this is what you're getting into. And so I changed my attitude. No, not every young person in college and liberal college are all of a sudden going to have, you know, great wisdom. But there was a group there that was, you know, open minded enough that if they heard something, if it was interesting, that they would grab hold of it. And so since that time, I would say that I have been impressed with the interest that has been shown. And that to me is the most important thing. Minds have to be changed. And that's what I hope I can contribute to. You've certainly done it for, I think, everybody here. So thank you for joining us. And there's a million and one questions I already have, but we'll introduce the other guests. Well, we got Daniel McAdams joining us. Hey, Tim. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah. Do you want to introduce yourself to everybody? Yeah. I went to work for Dr. Paul in 2001. I was living in Central Europe as the US was about to bomb Yugoslavia. And I noticed that there was one great congressman who said, this is the stupidest idea ever. What the heck are we doing bombing Yugoslavia for? And I had spent some time down there, and I knew that this was the stupidest thing. So when I finally go back to D.C., just by luck, I guess, I found there was one person I didn't, I never set out to work in Congress at all, but I wanted to work for this person who got it. And so I was very, very fortunate to have started working for him in 2001. And we went all the way through his last time in Congress, and we started the Ron Paul

Institute in 2013. So this is our 10th year, our 10th anniversary as the Ron Paul Institute. We focus on foreign policy and civil liberties almost exclusively. Sounds great. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. Ian sitting right next to Daniel over here. Hi, everyone. Great to be here. Good to see you, Ron. Daniel, great to meet you, man. And you guys brought up the Restrict Act and actually mentioned something that I've been talking about calling it the Patriot Act 2.0. Yeah. Thank you. That was great. That was great. You nailed it. Thank you, sir. And we also have Luke Grodkowski. Yep. Everyone in the chat room is saying and the Fed, which is pretty awesome. My name is Luke Grodkowski of wearechanged.org. I'm really excited to ask Ron about his time machine.

We're going to find out about that, plus a lot more on the show. The shirt that I'm wearing right now says, I identify as a conspiracy theorist. My pronouns are told you so, which you could get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. And I'm doing a in real life meetup this Thursday, 3.30 p.m. in Austin.

Find out more about that on Luke and Filtered dot com. Ron, Dr. No. Thank you so much for coming, Dr. No. Well, let's jump into this first story, which will kick things off. We have this from Tim cast dot com. And it says Victor Bout warns Trump of assassination threat from the Biden administration. Quote, They would sooner end your life than let you stand in their way. OK, now I'll just stress the merchant of death, as they call him, claiming that the

Biden administration is even considering this is just hearsay coming from a guy who is an arms dealer who is Russian. So I'm not saying we should necessarily trust him. I just think the general idea is interesting that this guy is basically calling on Trump. Here's what he said, quote, therefore, I think it's in the interest of all of humanity and primarily of the American people

to invite Donald Trump here to Russia to give him security and protection here so that he leads this uprising against the globalists and most importantly, does not allow the elimination of the American people.

I just think it's a particularly bold and I don't know, kind of creepy story, as it were. But I do think that in this vein, we are we are staring at the potential for a World War Three if if we're not already in it. Russia wants to put nuclear weapons in Belarus. The U.S. is providing arms, intelligence. And, you know, I'll say this. They're indirectly, the United States indirectly has individuals on the ground, volunteers who are fighting the Russians. I think that whether or not his sentiment is correct, we are facing some kind of very serious international conflict. So I'm curious, Dr. Paul, your thoughts on everything that's been going on with that. Well, I haven't made up my mind whether or not when people talk

about World War III, and most people think in their mind about World War I and World War II is a certain type of war, tanks and bombs and airplanes and all that. And I can't quite visualize that. I think the world has changed too much. As a matter of fact, politics has changed a whole lot as well. But I've concentrated more recently on thinking about how do revolutions come about? Have there changes been made? Have we had a World War III to do it? And I'm arguing the case that we're in the middle of it and moving right along that the revolution has been fought and there's been a coup. We don't have any resemblance to a government that believes in a republic. We don't have honest money. We don't have integrity. We don't even have people in

Washington that even pretends that you're supposed to tell the truth. You know, remember just recently there was a congressperson that won, and he won by putting on his resume just a bunch of lies. And the other ones got hysterical. The other congressman was telling lies like that. And I got to thinking, well, how many of these people that were complaining about this guy telling lies, how many of them lied when they raised their hand up and swore to uphold the Constitution? Now, that's a lie that really has consequences. Actually, you could probably make fun and make a little joke because his jokes weren't. Everybody knew he was fibbing. But the real lies are being told. And that is our big problem but i do believe there

has been a coup and it's been taken over and if i want to if i can i want to just put the date in my mind and you anybody could pick probably any date in the last hundred year but i have picked uh i have picked november 22nd 1963 what happened on that day that was the day kennedy was murdered by our government. Wow. You know, by the CIA. And at the time, I remember I was in, as a matter of fact, Kennedy was killed in Dallas, but he landed at Kelly Air Force Base, and I was the flight surgeon there the day before, and I was aware of this trip.

So this was a big thing. And those early years, which we talked about a lot, especially the first year or two, oh, Oswald did it, Oswald did it. And, you know, the person they talk about most is Alan Dulles as being the instigator of all this. And he, guess what? LBJ immediately said, we have to investigate this.

The president has been assassinated. They never used the word coup. So he's been assassinated. So guess who he puts? There were seven on the commission and uh and dollars you know dollars was put on the committee to investigate it so but he was going to make sure they told the truth it was a big force but that was a big day in history in my mind yeah that was the beginning of the hostile takeover of the american government by the spy agencies that of course have been becoming more powerful less unaccountable by every decade. They've been doing more crazier things. And then

we came to Iran-Contra. They've been getting away with so many crazy things. They'd never, never been held accountable. And for every decade, it's like, oh yes, the last decade, the CIA did something really horrible, but they were never held accountable for it, but they're definitely not doing it now. Well, they are. But I thought you were going to say 1913. Well, I think that was the groundwork. I start the intellectual changes a little bit before 1913, probably at the turn of the century, you know, the Roosevelt era,

and the university started teaching progressivism, and gradually they destroyed the whole principle of, like today in medicine, there's no such thing as truth anymore. And this society has become nihilistic because they can do anything they want, and they have zero guilt. They have no shame because they don't believe there is such a thing as truth. And even both religious and non-religious people sort of come around to agreeing, you know, society would do better if they had one rule. Don't commit violence against anybody else. You know, it isn't that complicated. And basically the Constitution goes along with that.

But not many people take that seriously. But no, I think 1913 was a consequence of what was happening in the universities. And the universities are still in bad shape. But the real education that is going on now is continuing, especially in economics and other things. I mean, there's an institute now dealing only with non-intervention and foreign policy. And you take a group like the Mises Institute, they've done a world of good at teaching young people. And I still rely on them to understand, you know, free market economics. So that is where the real change is.

And, you know, I'm a fan of homeschooling and homeschooling can be a salvation, too. And I happen to have a little program for that. But the private schools, we still they're still legal. In the 1980s, early 1980s, there was such an effort to close down every private school conceivable. And, you know, there were court cases that in spite of how bad things were, they recovered from that. But that doesn't make me complacent to think they won't touch us again in private education because they will. Because when they see that the people who tell on the truth are the real enemies and that's what's going on in politics. I'm curious your thoughts on Donald Trump as a candidate, as a president. Is he running again? Yeah.

Well, I don't think a lot about it. I think politicians are pretty much irrelevant. Oh, wow. You know, they reflect what's going on. But I think the least important thing, well, I can't say that every single thing I did was not related to politics because I concentrated on one philosophic issue and maybe made a little impression. And that was what sound money is all about and uh talking about audit the fed prior to 1976 when i first went to washington the federal reserve was never talked about and they thought boy people would come up to me and what are you what are you talking about them for you

know they'd be wondering about it so i think that uh but i really do believe that the politicians just reflect a prevailing attitude and the opinions of the people. Very, very important. So what I saw as dramatic and wonderful was during the lockdowns that when crowds finally said enough is enough and they started to rebel against that stuff. So it wasn't it wasn't a dictatorship of the majority in a political sense. It was the people got disgusted and they woke up and you had parents waking up. They're ruining our kids. And they would go to PTA meetings and fire some of those people. So I think attitudes are very important.

Education is very important. Education is very important. So that's why right now I probably spend 90 percent of my time trying to understand and pass a message on to others. The reason why I asked about Trump is because you said just a moment ago that you think the change, the revolution was nine. Was it 1963? I think you said. Sixty. Sixty three. Oh, no. The beginning, the coup, that was 62. 62. Sorry, I got the wrong. I'm, you know, based on this story we pulled up and you have this Russian arms dealer saying Trump's at risk. I'm wondering if you think there's any validity to that. What was that again? The Russian arms dealer claiming that Trump's life is at risk because he's trying to stop globalists. I'm wondering if you think that's absurd. Well, to me, that come across with that is I probably don't know enough about it to be really astute about it, but it seems so superficial.

You know, I'm more into Marxism and why Marxists are nihilists and why the whether it's the original Marxists or the culture Marxists of today that their main goal since they don't have to worry about truth and honesty their main goal is is chaos street chaos riots and you don't have to go very far to to look around for what's going on. Their goal is. And so I still struggle with it. Why do they do this? It's so stupid and so harmful. The only real explanation.

It isn't stupidity. It's done on purpose because chaos leads to the breakdown of order. And that is our real threat. But it originated, I think think back even before 1913 it's just that then it actually was uh night 1963 that that assassination was a big thing that same decade martin luther king and rfk and over a hundred people that were loosely associated with Kennedy that they suddenly died. Nobody knows exactly which ones were related or what, but there's some noise out there that really indicates that it was a big, big event. Yeah. Bobby Kennedy, Malcolm X as well. I was I was wondering, what do you think about another Kennedy running for the presidency?

And that's Robert Kennedy Jr. Are you guys excited about him potentially running? Yeah, we talk about it, even though we don't promote legislation, but we talk about it. And he's a friend. And he came out to one of our anti-war conferences. And people loved him. And I think it's great that he's running, but it's not likely,

I mean, I'd have him on my program if he would come on, but I probably am not into the endorsing business, because I think that's very secondary to waking up the people. I want the people to wake up about the monetary issue, which we're going to have the opportunity because this monetary system is just starting to crack. And then the people wake up just like they got sick and tired of the lockdown. And I talk about the football game that I don't remember where it was, but there were 100,000 people showed up and they didn't wear masks.

And that was sort of the breakthrough. I thought that was fantastic. The people will wake up. And that's what I figure that I can contribute to, wake people up. I just want to ask you to elaborate on the monetary policy aspect. Right now, we're seeing eggs at $6 for a dozen. We're seeing banks going insolvent. Can you explain what this economic system is? What's wrong with it? Well, the main reason is you don't have a definition of the unit of account. Because

if you were building a building and you were an architect, you'd want a unit of account or a unit of measurement. How are we going to measure all these things? Are we going to do it in feet, yards, or whatever? Because everything has to be measured. In economics, you have to have a unit of account. And that, of course, is a defined currency. And they can get away with messing it up for long periods of time. We were able to get away with you know we're messing it up for long periods of time we were able to get away with destroying the unit of account you know all the way back in 1934 and 1971 the way it is now but we were very very wealthy and we still are wealthy but we're getting poorer because people rely on debt and the debt is growing and the price inflation is moving along. And it's a consequence that they've destroyed one of the most important

items, the most important price in economics is the price of money, how much it takes to borrow. What was it? Minus for a couple years? During that time, the Fed would come up and say, oh, you know, we're having trouble. We want the inflation, the price inflation. We want the destruction of the value of money go at 2% a year. And it's down to minus one or minus two. This is the craziest thing in the world.

The last thing they should be doing. But now, and I said, you know, when it finally gets to 2%, you wait, you won't even see it. It'll be 10% after that. And now that's because there's the theory of subjective theory of value that tells you that you can't make those predictions but you can make predictions that if you mess up with the monetary system run up debt all this debt has to be liquidated and we are in the middle of defaulting on that money and that is going that is the crisis we face and right now we're not very far along and accepting what we have to accept if we want to crawl our way out of here and get back to being a productive nation. I just want to go back a little bit to what you said before this statement, because I think this is what really is important about your message.

A lot of people are like, what politician is going to save me? And in reality, no politician is going to save you. Personal responsibility is extremely important. What's happening with the big banks, what's happening with the ESG score, the international, multinational corporations running things is far more important, especially when it comes to your own individual decisions that you make in everyday life. And I think this is why that message is so much more important because everyone's like, please, someone save us. In reality, the only person who's going to save you is you yourself. And and, you know, you've taken many steps homeschooling, you opened up a

homeschooling network as well. Can you tell us how that is going and how people could potentially be involved in that? Well, it's the Ron Paul curriculum, you just get on the website there. And the school did has done sped it steady and does well. But there was a big burst of interest during COVID. But some of the people went back to the government schools after that. So I think that people will respond. And that's why the important thing is to keep things legal so that we can do that. And that's why the internet is so important it can be be a destroyer or it could be our savior i mean we do our program you know on the internet

is where we do it yeah we get a programs like this out so that that is uh and every once in a while i'll see something i've always thought oh the libertarians will take care of that there's a lot of smart people they know this and when the government comes in and takes over the Internet, they will have competition. And I think we're getting it. And it's just a little bit slow in doing it. But I think as long as you have some freedom there and can use it. But that's why we're in such a threatening period, because they're destroying our first amendment rights you know people are getting punished for this they lose their jobs i knew doctors that you know i'm taking care of patients and they say and they might have you know their

livelihood and they said well if you don't get your shot you know you're going to lose your hospital position uh your hospital privileges. That is really wicked stuff. So that protecting the First Amendment is one of our biggest challenges right now. Yeah, I think the way the First Amendment translates to the Internet is software code. We need the access to our software code so we can see if it's spying on us or if it's feeding us malinformation algorithms. It's going to be like something, an to the constitution to well guarantee of freedom let me let me break that down and actually ask you dr paul what uh ian brings up a great point when you're on facebook

when you're on twitter they're choosing what you see to manipulate what you think so how can we have free speech if these big corporations are only letting us see one thing? Well, you can't. And I'll be the first one to tell you the technology. I don't understand a lot of it, but I wanted to be free and make make these decisions elsewhere. But no, the big thing is, and, you know, Jonathan Turley has done such a great job exposing this. The line has to be drawn. And I bet you there are a lot of libertarians at the beginning of this. Well, these companies are private.

They can do what they want. We're not going to close them down. But there is an answer for that. They're not private. And early on, I said, they're nothing but the arm of the government. And that's a big difference. And then all of a sudden, we got the proof of that. But that came out now, and not many people are talking about it.

But the FBI and the CIA, they work with these companies like all the social welfare, social companies. Well, that is a big deal. And that could be stopped. That should be a violent act to do that, especially when the government's there. That's why we should have a lot less government. Yes, and they did it from the very beginning, especially with companies like In-Q-Tel, especially with a lot

of the seed funding, especially with a lot of the advancement that government gave companies like Google, Alphabet to the advantage over their competitors. And I saw a lot of people argue, you know, even just a couple years ago, being like, these companies are private companies. They can do what they want. We have to stand by capitalism. I'm like, you

guys aren't even paying attention to what's really going on here because, as you said, they are arms of the state. They are acting for their own best interest and they're sowing division in this country, creating order out of chaos to specifically create a situation where we are fighting each other over petty differences rather than actually looking at the true source of our problem. And that's the dollar being devalued. That's our currency just being thrown away and our whole livelihoods just being taken away from us which is absolutely crazy do you think it would be righteous to default on the interest to the federal reserve oh uh yeah i think i if i could write a pen and close down the federal reserve i just would and everybody has to scatter

what would what would be like the evolution of our monetary system? What's a better system? But I wouldn't do that. I say the most important thing if you want to act in a somewhat gradual system, because you're not going to do that. You're not going to do it, because if you cut the Fed off, the whole thing crashes and there'll be revolutions and all this. So I started with getting more information. That's why I concentrate on auditing the Fed, find out what they're doing. And the one thing over the many years that I've worked on this,

that is the most important information that they hang on to. And that is their transactions with foreign governments. That is really sacred. And they don't want that to happen. I've been told that they work with the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland. And like the Bank of London, the Bank of Australia, and the New York Federal Reserve are like they all send money through this Swiss bank. Yeah, that's right. It's a bank for the central banks.

And I guess they have to park some of their money in places. But it's the nature of the monetary system. See, if prior to central banking, which was, you know, the debate started with our revolution with Jefferson and Hamilton. You know, there was no, they weren't discussing the Bank of International Settlements back then. So it's totally unnecessary in a free market. The most important thing is define the currency by weight or something real, and then prohibiting anybody from disobeying it. The Constitution is pretty clear on it.

And some of the states now are reacting to this. States are coming through and trying to develop their own currency because it's tough for them to say, you know, the states can only use, you know, gold and silver as legal tender. Now, my bill in Congress was a little bit more generalized. It said repeal all the laws, all the monopoly laws that the government has in control and let the market decide it. But the founders said, no, even the states can't just print up their own money. But I think in a free society, a libertarian society, you could have contracts. If you're setting up a bank and you say, this is the unit of account, and they say, and you're going to use gold, you have to live up to your contract.

It seems like crypto is the new contract, which is data. Like, what's the account symbol? It's how much work was done to produce the Bitcoin or whatever. So you can see on a database, well well there was this much computer power used well yeah and that gets a little more complex because if you say uh what is what's behind gold you know everybody knows about gold they've used it for 5 000 years so people know what what it is but it's always been gold didn't be didn't fall out of the sky and become money gold fell came out of the ground and was pretty and they used it you know jewelry and it valued and all the important things of money that that happened then it became very practical to be used

as money but you might find uh you might find 20 things and more all the time. There's actually things being advanced now. Even when I was in medical school, we studied about there were some arthritis that could be treated with gold and silver, gold especially. And there's more and more. Silver's been used as a medication. And so it should be

legalized for that reason. But that's what helps make it money. That isn't that you're using money to do that. It means that is what makes it money. I don't think you could make the same argument with a crypto. What are you going to say to we've created a crypto coin because we used to use this in medicine? Well, let me let me I wanted to I want to say this. I think because of this in medicine. Well, let me, I wanted to say this. I think because of you, Dr. Paul, you made a lot of people millionaires and billionaires. Because when your message was going around about the US dollar being unsound based on these policies,

there were a lot of people that were trying to figure out what they could do to store their value properly. Of course, gold and silver were big. But when Bitcoin emerged, a whole bunch of libertarians and people who had heard your message said, I'm going to check this thing out. And they bought a bunch. And 10 years later, they're worth 300, 400 million dollars because governments all over the world are buying crypto and trying to use it. Many people have have decided for whatever reason it has value to them and the early adopters who are paying attention to the problems of the

u.s dollar they got to rise along with it so what does that prove i don't know it proves anything i just think like if they listen to you for whatever reason they ended up becoming very well but the one thing for sure i wasn't giving uh investment advice. Right. No, I mean, it turns out it's OK, but I might have been talking about agriculture. Yeah. You could go out and buy land. Jimmy Rogers. Oh, yeah, that's what we should do. And that serves that function. But I think that that's a little bit different. I the way I answer those questions is, you know, does that mean you want to be cautious and make some rules about Bitcoin? No, I'd let the market decide whether people really want Bitcoin or not.

And I go to a lot of Bitcoin crypto meetings and things especially early on and at these meetings I became a little bit nervous because they had one individual there that they were hovering around and these are the people that was running the conference they were hovering around this woman that said oh and she had had experience with Washington DC as a lobbyist in ways and means and will protect you when they start writing the laws about and i thought no you don't need you that's that's not my my way of looking at it i mean if if it's uh designed mainly to prevent fraud or something like that you have to be open to but i i i just think that you don't need laws uh you know to

tell people uh how to protect against gold what concerns me about tying money to a hard thing like gold is that someone can steal all the gold like if we tie it to any thing then that thing can be taken and hoarded by someone maybe maybe but they've uh you know the the uh let's see the the silver people back in the 70s uh hunt brothers they cornered the market and they took it up when silver was five dollars or three dollars they took it up to fifty dollars they were hoarding it wow but the market came along and took care of it. But real quick, Ian, Bitcoin's been stolen tons of times. It happens all the time.

Yeah. They find ways. And right now, gold is at an all-time high. Bitcoin just hit above $30,000 today as well. And I remember doing my coverage of currency collapses in Venezuela and in Zimbabwe. And we were talking about this a little bit before the show. Before a currency kind of collapses, a lot of different things happen before it does. There's many things that happen in many different years. And then all of a sudden, when it drops, it drops

quickly. And the effects are one by one by one by one. And it goes by so fast, people are shocked and surprised. Do you think that is possible in the United States? Do you see a possible currency collapse and potentially on what kind of time scale? No, I don't see as possible. It's going to be, it's going to happen. Inevitable. It will, because they can't keep doing this. But, you know, you mentioned that, you know, some of those people that took my advice, I wonder if they're going to give me a cut on what they made. No, it just happened that it was an alternative. And so far, the alternative has made a lot of people rich. But do you think there were 10 people, 100 people, 5,000 people or a million people that bought cryptocurrency or crypto between 30 and 68.

And it's on the way up and then on the way down. There's a lot of buying and selling. So it is. Some people make a lot. But the whole thing is I want a definition. I mean, they can do it. It would be legal as long as there's no fraud involved. But you still have to have a definition i can define a uh a gold dollar and for us it was uh it was not rounded off but

you know at the time of the constitution they had a precise weight of silver, which was the real monetary issue. But the gold was at, you know, $42 an ounce, you know. And no, $26 an ounce. And that stayed there for a long, long time. But that didn't prove anything other than we had a lot of gold. And it's sort of like the Romans did. They had advanced their kingdom. We had a lot of gold, and it's sort of like the Romans did. They'd advance their kingdom and go out and steal all the gold from the people. And in a way, we have advanced our empire, and we have become very wealthy, but now we're consuming it.

We're consuming it. So definitions will change according to that but you still know uh you know uh it was twenty dollars an ounce and then it went to thirty five dollars an ounce cheated the american people total fraud and then it was released in 71 and it went to eight hundred dollars an ounce then it had to be the market adjusting. And that's a benefit. The market will sort that out. But the definition is gone. My argument is you have to have a definition if you want to have a sound economy. And the world has never been on a fiat currency to the extent that we have now with the paper

money dollar. I just want to make a quick correction. Gold is not an all-time high, but near all-time high. So I'm sorry if I misspoke. It's close. I wanted to ask you about military intervention and war and all that stuff. I know that you are one of the biggest opponents

of the U.S. getting involved overseas. And I'm curious your thoughts on where we've gone since you were in Congress. Has it gotten worse and what your views are well the the principle has gotten much worse they they've endorsed the the the principle and uh the big thing was uh probably one that is is annoying to me was uh because i remember it and that was we had world war one world war two and we went through the you know the process of declaring war and having an enemy and it did i think they could have been avoided but but it was done the right way in the sense that we declared the war and the wars didn't last that long we were only an hour a year or so on a world

war one and world war two is three years let's think of how that was taken care of but after the war and i remember this uh the this issue very clearly because it was in 51 50 51 you know when uh when truman said oh he never probably made an announcement. We have to have a police action. We have to go and, you know, preserve democracy for Korea. And my comparison was, yeah, look, we wanted to do that in South Korea. And we lose 60,000 people and kill millions of the Vietnamese and all this. And then we lose.

We walk away, lost all this money and all these lives. And what happened? Was there a – these are just realistic arguments. But was there the domino effect? That's what we were preached to, the domino effect. It's going to – communism is going to take over, and they did a lot of that. But guess what? When we lost the war in Vietnam, we left, and all of a sudden something weird happened.

They started acting like capitalists. And just think of all we won in peace versus all that we lost in war. And sometimes people won't even think of the slightest consideration that maybe a little bit of that philosophy could be applied to those people who are looking forward to a war with China.

I feel like it's like a Chinese finger trap that you've got so many people who want war and they make the argument, we need to go there to stop Russia. We need to go there to stop the terrorists. But in doing these things, in engaging in foreign intervention, it's creating recoil or creating blowback and it's making the conflicts worse. It's making. That's by design. I mean, that's what keeps the machine running. You know, that's what keeps the money flowing. We talk about the Fed all the time. The Fed is what makes war possible.

It's what makes the empire possible. And it's funny because you sit around and you laugh at the domino theory. Oh, man, that's like, you know, that's like something out of the 60s. We're living in it right now. If we don't stop Russia in Ukraine, they're going to be marching through Paris, you know, tomorrow. They're going to take Estonia. Where's Estonia? I have no idea, but they're going to take it through Paris tomorrow. They're going to take Estonia. Where's Estonia? I have no idea, but they're going to take it.

I heard it on TV. So we still believe in the domino theory. It's still the basis of our foreign policy. In fact, who was it? It was a politician. It actually may have been McCarthy, speaker of the House, and I could be wrong, who said, well, we've got to fight him. Basically, he literally said we've got to fight him over there because otherwise we're

going to fight him over here. I mean, I thought we got to fight him. Basically, he literally said, we got to fight him over there because otherwise we're going to fight him over here. I mean, I thought the Bush era was over. So these things are just regurgitated because they're enormously profitable to the most well-connected people, you know? The only value I see in foreign intervention is that fascism sometimes can be extremely peaceful. That's one of the worst things about fascism

is it's insidiously quiet. I mean, modern fascism, it's capitalist. They run i mean modern fascism it's it's capitalist they buy they they run your social media they make you see things you don't understand and so at some point if you don't do anything it will just well happen around you i'll let me try to elaborate on what you're i think what you're saying is what we're seeing with big tech what we're seeing with the establishment this authoritarian takeover subverting our systems buying people out and slowly creeping in and taking things over is that yeah black rock these these mega corporations that are buying land and things like that's that's it's happening in the name of peace because it's

being done with dollars but i don't i don't know if fascism is the right word because some people might take the word fascism literally but we're seeing you know state with state street vanguard black rock corporat. Corporatism. Corporatism. They're buying everything up. They're using the system against us and exploiting it. And it's not just that. These big hedge funds and firms,

they're getting Federal Reserve money, basically infinitely printed and given to them to do this. So it's the lucrative, I guess fascism is probably the right way to say it, the lucrative merger of corporation and state to take over the whole system. Under Mussolini's definition, and I think you are correct in some instances there, especially with a lot of these institutions like BlackRock having lucrative contracts now in Ukraine. There's a lot of business deals. There's a lot of politicians, sons and daughters who have a lot of interests in that particular region. But I kind of wanted to ask both of you guys if you guys were the secretary of state how do you handle the ukraine

situation right now what's the call to call to action well i have a real easy thing to do it's not complex and everybody will understand it but nobody will do it because i used it in my debates you know how are we going to end the wars in the middle east yeah we've sort of come around to your position we should have done it but here we are with there and my answer is we just marched in we can just march out yes and i remember uh you had a statement where you said if someone is given the wrong prescription you don't just keep giving them the same prescription. You stop. That sounds pretty good.

Did I say that? You did say that. Yes, it was brilliant. And I heard that and I said, I don't see it any other way. If we all agree it's wrong, we just stop. Yeah, and I think it's fair to say

that they've been prescribed crack. Crack cocaine and heroin and fentanyl all mixed into one and they're high as a kite. And they're they're doing really horrible things, especially with with what's happening in Ukraine right now. There's so many innocent Ukrainians dying. There's so many innocent young men dying in that specific region. And I think, you know, the main reason we didn't blow each other up during the Cold War was was was because of negotiations was of was because we were able to actually sit

at the table and negotiate. We're not even doing that now, which is just absurd and crazy in my opinion. I asked him last night what he would do, and he was like, well, we'd be like, we'd take our troops out and negotiate some sort of economic resolution with Russia. And I don't know, Ron, do you think that that would be ethical to, because I think what they're trying to do is take Sevastopol, the warm water trade port in the Black Sea. Yeah. But by what happens when there's sincere efforts, either with China or Russia, that we could pursue, I mean, the deep state, which is not Republican, not Democrat, they're deep into control in the whole system.

They make it so that you become a heathen, you become a Nazi, or they'll give you all kinds of names. You know, you're unpatriotic. That's the thing. When I wanted to bring the troops home, I was unpatriotic and I didn't care about the troops. I says, how could you argue that? I just want to bring them home so they don't get killed. Yeah, more troops donated to you than any other presidential candidate. People forget about that.

And you were one of the only anti-war voices out there that was finally getting at least a little bit of attention on the corporate media, even though it was skewed. Even though when you were polling high, they made sure that it looked like you were polling low. They played so many underhanded tricks against you. I was wondering, can you talk to that a little bit? And how do we navigate this media sphere when they control the narrative and they're playing so unfair? Well, I still I resort to something that I find my comfort zone. And that is that I'm not there. I don't have the ability, nor is the support there to really change it. You know, I want to audit the Fed so people understand it.

I don't say, okay, the litmus test, if you care about anything at all, you have to sign on to my bill that the Federal Reserve is abolished in two weeks. You know, and so I want people just have to, you know, discuss it. And that's what happens. It gets turned down. We have opportunity. We could talk to China a lot more. You know, I thought it was pretty exciting when when the great Nixon decided to sneak over to China.

And it was an exciting time. People think, boy, you know, maybe they will change. And they did. But the big problem is that we will admit is they've been pretty darn good at capitalism. You know, they sold us stuff and they took our money and invested it. And what do we do? We steal the money from the people and then we've invested to the military industrial complex to go over and drop bombs on people. Then we say, I wonder why they don't like us. I've been thinking lately if we could repurpose

our military industrial complex to start building drones by the tens of millions and then take them out into space and blow them up for training and then put onboard artificial intelligence on the drones. The drones can tell us what we're doing wrong, make us better at fighting drone swarms, and then we can not blow people up because I think I still want to make it profitable for Lockheed Martin.

But I don't want to hurt the people with Lockheed Martin. OK, let me try. I think you bring up an actual interesting point. And I'll put it, I'll rephrase it. I think I understand. The military industrial complex is going to move towards the path of least resistance. And that is they need war to stay in power. And they want war. So they lobby for war. They get more money from the government.

So what we need is to divert their profits into nonsense, like building drones in outer space. So they keep getting lucrative contracts, but eventually fizzle out of existence because they're being given money for the government to do literally nothing. Yeah, they don't need war. They need profit. And they think that war is the most profitable thing right nothing. Yeah, they don't need war. They need profit.

And they think that war is the most profitable thing right now. But if we could create a more profitable system, i.e. drone defense. There's one statistic you have to deal with. And I'm not going to argue this is authentic, but I read it. But they say people who get involved in this kind of stuff in the military and all, 5% of them are psychopaths. They love war. It isn't just the money. They love power.

They love money. And a few of them are sort of bad news psychopaths. Like that they enjoy hurting other. I know that they like seeing how their weapons train on real people. Like they want to see what how it works. Well, this is where this was the article that they were arguing that case that some people. Well, you see it in domestic life all the time. You know, you know, it just was so astounding to me when it's too common now to even be news. But somebody would be robbing a store,

and somebody would be lying on the floor just trying to hide, and the hoodlum comes in. It just fills the person with bullets. I mean, that is not... I wanted to ask you, going back to the, you know, you're talking about the 50s and 60s and 70s, World War II. I'm 37.

I'm curious, with everything we're seeing today with political conflict, as you mentioned, with crime, was it at all like this in the 60s, 70s, and the 50s or anything like that? Well, I wrote something recently, what it was like in 1945, because everybody said the world's going to end tomorrow and things are very, very bad. And I agreed with that. I talk about it all the time. But then I just went over the statistics of World War I and World War II. Millions of people died. And it was a disaster.

So it's continued but the founders made the point and i'm a strong believer in it that ultimately the kind of society we have depends on a prevailing attitude both intellectually and spiritually of a community because uh you know the non-aggression principle fortunately is uh can be used by people in a spiritual realm or in a pragmatic zone you know just say this this doesn't this doesn't make any sense and uh yet uh yeah we we continue to do it but I think it's the nature of mankind. And I never heard discussions about nihilism. Of course, that's been discussed in the philosophy books for a long time, but nothing like it's talked about now. And I've sort of been concentrating on that because if you don't have truth, which we don't have anymore, then you have nihilists and you're dealing with people that have no conscience. And when you understand that, then you understand the people who just shoot to kill and do all these things and do all that.

That's going to cause chaos and people are going to die. Ah, that will open the doors for true Marxism. We have to get rid of all this garbage you people have living with. So for us to devise, you know, the the perfect social state, we need to get rid of all these notions about about freedom and capitalism and honest money. And that is their goal. And since they're nihilists they don't care so do you think that the reason we're seeing the spike in crime is that these people are intentionally releasing criminals and and you know making not enforcing laws because they want to destroy the system well i think that they've just lost all contact with reality. I think they are psychopathic in that sense. A psychopath has lost, you know, contact with reality. And that sort of can be a collective thing.

The mob psychology, I mean, we're operating sort of with a mob psychology that people are joining this. And they have all kinds of excuses. I've been, you know, as much as i try to think about this uh you know getting all these corporations and so many people to go along with this lockdown you know and most of them are you know you think they they they can't be they can't be as far off as i described but but they just go along with it, and it's sort of scary. But I think the point that the founders made is they said this Constitution isn't worth much if the people are immoral and have no principles and they don't believe in truth.

How can they believe in honest money if they don't have any principles and and and they don't have a a unit of account they don't have a unit of account for the money they don't have a unit of account for social matters perhaps this is why they're saying two plus two equals five which was a big thing they're still pushing to be honest what is a woman you said something really that's it that's a good example you said something really profound about the non-aggression principle in in regards to spirituality like i know about non-aggression principle militarily but the idea that in a community in a conversation you could have a non-aggression principle with another human and that if you live like that maybe it'll create a society where then that starts to happen but it happens all the time. I've made optimistic statements, and I have to be careful because it sounds too optimistic.

I say, I remember growing up as a kid in the Depression, World War II. I was in grade school, high school, college, medical school, military. And I said, there's hardly anybody that I met that I thought was a real scoundrel. My neighbors had been easy to get along with and and and and we happened to be believers so the people we associated with in a spiritual way they were never a threat to us so there were a lot so my impression if it was my narrow impression but people most people would say yeah but what a boring life you

had you know and and they wouldn't accept this because life is much different and you have to you have to have a good time too you know well it's the the old curse may you live in interesting times yeah so maybe it's kind of good when your life is boring you get to focus on your passions you get to take care of your family it's good to be forceful in your life, but not necessarily aggro. Like there's a difference in like forcing your personality and beliefs on someone and being aggressive with it. Well, this is the issue I see today. We have what we would refer to as the left and the right

or whatever words you want to use to describe, you know, wokeness and freedom or whatever. One faction says lie, cheat and steal because the only truth is power or there is no truth but power. The other side is an amalgam of different ideologies that all tend to agree on the rights of the individual. So I think while all of us in this room may disagree on certain principles or philosophies, we mostly agree with life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and that's where we differ with those who seek to use aggression

against us or others to control them and gain power we actually think people should be free to live their lives you know etc but i think people uh the shortcomings comes from i'll use the word conservative but the conservative element sometimes wants to tell you exactly how you should live. But if a conservative who wants to do that accepts the principle of non-aggression, yes, he can be critical. He might want to prove it because if it happens to be some of your family or a friend and they're killing themselves with drugs and all that, you might try to help people. But I think that people will respond. But the problem is that there's this momentum. And I think economics have a lot to do with it, you know, because things, even though

there's still a lot of wealth in this country and people think they're a lot richer than they really are because it's all on debt. And that's why bad times are coming, because it's going to get worse when they know how poor they really are. Well, there's a couple of questions I have for you. Why do you think we're seeing this explosion of homelessness in so many major cities? And why is it that they are at the same time? I think this is related. Don't get me wrong, but I'm bringing them both up. They say that it's hard to find workers, but we're also seeing this wave of unemployment.

I'm sorry, of homelessness. You'd think those two things would solve themselves. I think it's a reflection of stupid policy, welfarism. And that means they know, look what happened when the COVID broke out and people wanted to take advantage of it. Everybody got checks, big checks. And they have so much money that they printed it sitting around. How are we going to spend all?

So they feel like they can trust that. But the trouble is the payment comes in a different way. The taxes are very high, much higher than they really think. The liquidation of debt, the default. People keep worrying about, will the government not send me my check? Is there going to be a default? The default is rip-roaring, and it's going to get a lot worse. That means that if I owed you $100 last week and I can give it to you today, it's only worth $50.

You've lost $50. And governments do that. They steal from you, and they transfer wealth, and that's where the real problem is. And people don't understand that because they say, the one statement that I've heard for so many years is the people who get into trouble as a result of stupid government, they say, the only problem I have is I don't have enough money to pay my bills. I go to the grocery store, and it's $200, and I only have $100. So it's always a shortage of money.

And the problem is there's too much money printed out of thin air and it doesn't have value to it. There's no unit of account. So having a unit of account in social things and economic matters, I think are very similar. This is how I explain it to people. I went onto Amazon and I was searching for a tablet, put it in my shopping cart, and I think it was like $470. I forgot to buy it. Two days later or so, I go back on Amazon and there's a notice. It says, a price change for an item in your cart. I click it and it says this item is now $600. This is the easiest way for the average person to understand how inflation is happening so rapidly. I could have bought it two days ago for $150 less. Well, that means

if you made a plan and said, okay, I make X dollars per hour, I have Y bills, and the tablet costs Z, that means I have to work this many hours to be able to buy this tablet at the end of the month so you work those hours and then by the time the end of the month comes the tablet now costs twice as much because you weren't actually making any money as you were working your job and saving you were losing money see uh free market austrian economy economy is completely different than Keynesianism. Keynesianism believes in the computer. You put in the numbers and they'll tell us, print $100 here and the people will do this.

That's not true. of Austrian economics that has helped me understand it is the artificiality of it. It's the pseudo theory that you can't measure things that way because there's a psychological factor there. And it's how bad do we want. So if we doubled the money supply in this room, we're not all going to do the same thing. You can't tell what the people will do, what their measurement will be. Some might save it.

Some might spend it. That's why this theory, this subjective theory of value, I think, explains it. That's why it's a mishmash. That's why you can go, you know, 10 years and gold prices doesn't move and yet they've been printing money like crazy then all of a sudden we have our our prices going up but that's all explainable through austrian economics i i did find that really interesting that the price of gold has been fairly stagnant i think over the past 10 years is that artificial is it being artificial well there's a lot of money that's the most important price fixing that they can do because the gold eventually will measure value no matter

they will be the unit of account and uh that's the last thing that they have to cling to uh to say that uh the dollar still has value And they've been able to manipulate. Boy, ever since Roosevelt went in and took the gold in, it was $35 an ounce and all that. But I think even today, they can manipulate that price of gold. Oh, I'm way off. I was way wrong on that, sorry.

But they will have to. Eventually, there's going to be chaos from it. And that's why we would like to try to avoid it. Real quick, just a correction. In January of 2001, gold was $265,000. It reached a peak around September of 2011 at $1,700. It dipped down August 2015 to $1,121. And as of today, it is bouncing around near 2000 and officially crossed to 2018

so actually it skyrocketed after the first economic crisis went down a little bit and then skyrocketed back up again with the past economic crisis so yeah gold is gold is way up okay that thousand dollars was 19 2015 or something when when i watched that as the beginning of the current bull market in gold because you had bull market 35 up to 800 then you had a thousand up to uh well what the second one but this is the third one where it was a thousand dollars now it's up to two thousand dollars and i think it's just the beginning. If you look at percentages of what happens in a bull market in gold, what's the percentage going from 35 up to 800? Even though it didn't stay there, that's the movement that it had.

250% or something like that? Is it possible it's more than that? Is it possible we'll see like a 10x increase in the cost of gold, the value of gold? I don't know what you call it, cost or value. Is the word interchangeable what like could you see gold going up by one magnitude from 2 000 to 20 000 an ounce yeah well i think it'll go to zero i mean i think it won't be in trading i mean i think the dollar will go to zero before that but no yes it will if they've held it together

longer yeah yeah i mean i think in your lifetime you'll see gold at $5,000 an ounce if they can keep it from totally crashing the economic system. I agree. I'm looking at this chart right now, and it compares the dollar, the Dow Jones, the S&P 500, and gold. And if in the year 2000, you invested all your money in gold, it would be worth twice as much as stock in the Dow Jones or S&P 500. Did you compare it to crypto? If you bought Bitcoin around 2009 or whatever, it would be worth 20,000%. Oh, from the beginning. From the beginning.

From when? 2015? 2016 was when gold was a thousand bucks. So I think 2016 would be an interesting metric. From 2016? Yes.

So let's do this, do this. So if you were to buy Bitcoin in, okay, why is it? Okay,

there we go. 2016. Yeah. Let's say, let's go back to 2018. Bitcoin was at $8,000. Today, it's at $30,000. So, it's a lot more. So, you can look at charts and probably prove almost anything you want on the short run.

You mentioned... I'll just put it this way. In the past five years, Bitcoin is up 113%. Gold is 53%. S&P 500 is 52%. Dow Jones is 35%. If you go back to the year 2000, I think it's not necessarily relevant for people my age, then you would have gained way more buying gold than anything else. And then in the past five years, the S&P 500 and gold are comparable. You know, we all look at that. We think about investments. How do we

protect our wealth? And that is important because that's how do I live? But ultimately, if you look at all those different investments that we have that we can do actually the only thing that's going to be important to us is if we have our freedom because because the what a Roosevelt do he within one announcement a month after he was in office he took all the gold in by force it confiscated the gold there was gold confiscation in the United States many people don't even know about this. And nobody owned gold. Nobody in the United States was allowed to own gold from 1933 up till 1975.

And that was when I was trying to get gold legalized. That's a long time. So that's pretty amazing. But I think one of the most important metrics to look at is the purchasing power of the dollar. And when you look at that and what it used to buy you and now what it buys you, I mean, there's horrible, tragic stories of individuals burying their money

or putting it underneath their couch. And I'm like, people don't understand. One of the biggest taxes out there is inflation. It's a hidden tax. Many people don't know about it. But the value of your dollar, of what you worked hard for, is slowly being eviscerated by the government and their

irresponsible financial policies. There was a story where a young couple opened up the floorboards in their attic and found a box that their grandfather or that this guy's grandfather had hidden away with $50,000 in it.

And boy were they... Paper money. And boy were they so excited to find $50,000 in it. And boy, were they- Of paper money. Paper money. And boy, were they so excited to find $50,000. And they're like, wow, little do they realize that it's basically a million dollars if he had properly invested it because the US dollar is not sound.

Exactly. And just seeing this happening, because now I think it's kind of quickening. Now, when you go to the grocery store, you see it more and more kind of evident and more and more in your face. Not just with egg prices, but that has to deal with a lot of other circumstances and situations. But overall, when you're at the grocery store, when you pay for everything, it's a lot more than it was before. And that's not an accident.

We just went to the grocery store. And as we are checking out, it was 200 bucks for like one half bag of it was like cheese, tea, some meat and some, some hummus. And then we were like, how is this $200? What is it? Well, it was like $8 for a little thing of hummus. It was, it was $8 for a pack of cheese. And we were like, yeah, we filled up a bag with, you know, some deli meats, some cheese,

some dips and some drinks. And they're like eight to 10 bucks each. And it doesn't take a genius to see all of this because during COVID, they were like, we're gonna give you guys a $2,000 check, but we're gonna give you billion dollars more to all the private entities and corporations that we're in business with. And having that much of money

just printed out of thin air, those $2,000 were nothing compared to the secret corporate and banking bailouts that were given out to some of the biggest institutions in the world. Their losses were publicized. Their profits were privatized. This is a system that we're dealing with right now that isn't capitalistic. This is socialism for the super rich. Everyone else, screw yourself. And this is a big notion that I think a lot of leftists need to understand here this is not capitalism this is this is direct elitism socialism for the super rich that are able to get away and do whatever they want while everyone else is being screwed

over you know the words that they use makes a big difference too because even here and i'll do it quite frequently but i try not to ever refer to inflation as a CPI and prices going up. And Mises, I used to say, well, that's just semantics. Just, you know, qualify it or something. But Mises said, no, that's on purpose. Because if the price of such and such went up, that means profits. They made too many profits. Oh, labor is going up too fast.

Labor unions did that at the same time if uh if we concentrate on the inflation it's back to the money if you dilute the money supply by printing money that that is the culprit that's the inflation so i try never to talk about the cpi well it showed a lot of inflation last year but this is this is a trick many leftists use. I see them say something like the economy is not doing poorly. These corporations brought in record profits. And it's like, yes, inflation is at 15 percent. So if a corporation brings in, say, 10 billion more dollars and they typically bring in 100 billion dollars, it is just rising

with inflation. That is to say, the buying power of what they brought in is the same, but the monetary number is bigger. Therefore, it's the corporation's fault for making record profits. And that's the trick they use to say, see, capitalism's the problem. These corporations are making record profits while you're suffering. No, the reason you can't buy milk, bread, and eggs is because it's six bucks for a carton of eggs right now. And so that means those corporations, their costs have gone up the same. And so their profit percentage is the same, but the number is bigger because of inflation. Yeah. Yeah. Talking percentages and not in finite amounts when you want to talk about profits. That's a good point. Those are the tricks they use to be like, oh, how did they make 50 billion

this year? You know, Ron, you mentioned units of account and how our money has lost a form of account and that gold used to be the way you would account for money. And then you said something about social account, a unit of account for social, social units of account. What did you mean by that? Well, I think you have to have a value. Denialists have a value.

Truth doesn't exist. The other one is there is truth out there. And it might not be, you might not have the same definition, but in principle, all the way back to before Hammurabi wrote his code, they had an idea and the code would define. Even back then when it was such a primitive era, they said you should kill people. You should steal from people.

And that's a higher law. It's a higher law that was known to all civilizations. And I think that you have to have that. But truth versus nihilism is a good way to do it. But I think it's also a higher law which has been known about and accepted from the beginning of time, from the time of Adam and Eve. It implies right and wrong, good and bad. And if you had that, you have no unit of account on social order. So is this like social credit score kind of like a...

I just hope not. Is it like an aberration of what we're supposed to think is truth? Like truth is what they tell you it is, as opposed to truth is don't kill people. I guess it could be, but the social credit thing, I don't want to get near that one. I agree. And I wonder if losing touch with our unit of account from the Bible, I was never really raised in that way religiously. But I think that there is value to it. Like that if we lose touch with that, then another form of account will come in.

You account to the state, something like that. I think the woke left have no moral framework. It's just power. And then the traditional Judeo-Christian values of the United States is a moral framework. So I think that's a big dividing point in the culture war. Those who, and I said this before, Bill Maher is a great example of this. He says he's an atheist. He doesn't believe in God, but he holds all of these Christian values, such as the right presumption of innocence, which is rooted in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah

as the principal example I tend to use. But here's a guy who was raised in a society that held these values to be true. He then says, but I don't believe anything about a man in the sky or a resurrection or anything. And those stories are totally separate from the moral values of presumption of innocence, for example. And so he grows up, he lives a life and he says, I don't believe those stories, but I'm going to tell you, we have to hold these values true. When people then grew up completely outside of that religion, that never even hearing the stories or any of those values, they don't recognize presumption of innocence. What do they recognize? The only thing that matters is how powerful you are and what you can take.

Very well. I've got a burning question I wanted to ask you at the beginning of the show, Ron, and I'll ask you now. If you had the Internet in 1976 before you ran for Congress, would you have started a YouTube channel instead? I had trouble starting it in 1982 or 1992. No, I'm not in, I think about it in theory and in principle and usage and the practicality on how you get the information out. And my job, I've spent most of my time is trying to understand things. That's why I was fascinated with just the fundamentals of economic policy. It was the Leonard Reed in the Foundation for Economic Education.

To me, this was exciting. And I used to kid myself. economic policy was the leonard reed in a foundation for economic education to me this was exciting and i used to kid myself i said boy i'm sure glad i found these people that agree with me and of course it was the other way around because it's it's been there a long time so uh i i think that uh you know people people uh you know can find the thing. But that to me was the most interesting thing is to search. I think once you discover that you're not going to know, you know, we might just say we all agree on the general principles. That sounds good. Having truth and non-aggression principle. apply it a little bit differently because the one thing that conservatives can't do is leap over this and accept you know somebody else's personal behavior and then they want to regulate that that means they've leaped over uh too far and that means they have to use force to do that that's

why the idea of aggression has to be very, very definite. You said something at the very beginning of the show about there being no honest people in Washington, D.C., or something to that effect. And I wanted to say this right away, but I can think of at least one. I can think of more than one, but to be fair, at least one. And that's Rand Paul, who your son, obviously. And then you also mentioned, you know, you had kids in college. And I think that Rand is one of the only politicians that I think is doing a good job that actually is doing right. I think they're all far from perfect, but everyone's human. And then there's people like Thomas Massey, who I think is doing a tremendous job. He's very good. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on on the current state of Congress. And obviously, I assume you think your son's doing a good job, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Well, once again, I don't get into the detail of that.

I've over the years don't even like using their names. One time we had a little rally after they didn't allow me at the time of the election. They didn't permit me to speak at the convention. And so we had our own rally i think i was where were we in florida i was there it was a great event well anyway it was and uh i think i spoke on average about an hour or so and i did and the crowd was just great and i never said i never say oh i gave speech. I say, the crowd makes your speech. It made all the difference.

And so I was just really amazed at the reception that we got there. It was huge. It was a stadium. There was multiple stadiums in Florida that particular year as well. And there was multiple shows and multiple people being like, this is a representation of the people that's not being represented by the corporate media. That's not being represented by the political class. And there was so much discontent because finally we had a voice that was being heard, but it was being censored by the media. But it was being downranked everywhere, which was crazy well when i finished that speech somebody came up to me it might have been a friendly reporter or somebody that wasn't coming matter of fact it maybe was uh

a criticism i didn't know it he he personally come up he says you know you talked for over an hour he says and who who were my opponents let's see that was That was Trump. No, I don't think that was Trump. I think that was Romney. Romney. Gingrich. No, who was the Democrat? That was... 2008? That was Obama.

Yeah. Obama. And Hillary. And the guy comes up and he says, you talked for an hour. He says, you never mentioned either of their names. You're supposed to go after your opponents. So I didn't mention the Republican or the Democrat. So I put that down on the list.

Well, I think it's a distraction. And I never enjoyed it. Even though I have to admit that I've been getting pretty sloppy. And Daniel has to put up with it because there's one person that does upset me. And it happens to be a woman. And that doesn't mean I don't like women. I mean, that's Nancy Pelosi. We all agree with that.

I think she's a nihilist. Oh, yeah. A narcissist, power hungry. If I could just ask you throughout all of your years surrounding by all all of these horrible people in congress do you attribute what they're doing because of malice or ignorance why do you think they were doing what they were doing why do you think there's such a cause for let me just simplify that luke are they stupid or are they evil there yes. I think that the problem that I look at is intellectual and philosophic. We started a conversation with talking about, you know, 1913. I said even a little earlier.

I think people are influenced by that type of thing and the control of the scenario, the control of the propaganda is the real problem. Now, the individuals, they're sloppy. They're not well-informed. You know, I had people come up, some liberal Democrats when I first went there in the 70s, they'd come up and they'd say, I can't figure out what you're doing. Why are you voting with this guy over here? And I just sort of laugh because I got a charge out of it. But, no, there's, and I think there's, that's where we're making progress. I think people are.

That's why I love to see young people talking about these issues. I think most people don't know how much influence they have because I certainly don't believe some of the things people tell me. Oh, you do this. But people, all you have to do is have a small, small group. If you have 10 people, you know, and you're not, you're even denied the information. You'll never know how many people watch your show. We probably have

about 50 000 or more right now but you don't know what that 50 000 might do in the next 10 years well one thing that's the way things change ideas and i'll say this to you and one thing i've only realized you know maybe like a year ago is people tell us when they're watching they're actually watching with three or four other people so it says one but it's actually a family or it's a group of friends who are hanging out but i'll say say this to you, Dr. Paul and congressmen, I don't know if I would be here right now if you were not doing what you were doing throughout your entire career. The things that I started learning online, the speeches that I saw from you had a tremendous influence. And I think, Luke, obviously the same thing.

He's at your rallies. So you may get started with this one idea. And as you mentioned, you tell the 10 people. Those 10 people tell 10 more. Those 10 people tell 10 more. And before you know it, 30 years goes by and you're sitting on some dude's podcast who's like, remember that one thing you said about the wrong prescription for war? And you're like, oh, did I say that? It had a huge impact on my view of a lot of this stuff too so i think you know there's probably a lot of people out there

right now who hear even this show and we don't even realize okay i always in more private conversations when we get into these talks like this i always want to know more about you know where you were why you change what happens and i don't do it for you to say nice things about me but what what was it that caught your attention uh mine is a little more a bit more complex i narrowed down the monetary issue but do you remember what it was that well it got your attention i voted for obama in 2008 i had seen a lot of things on the internet i had a lot of friends i had i had heard about you i had seen a lot of things on the internet. I had a lot of friends. I had heard about you. I had seen the revolution stickers and things like that. I think that was around that

time. It's been a long time. But I remember Barack Obama was supposedly going to be the anti-war guy, that the Bush era was completely wrong. People were marching through the streets saying he was Hitler. And then I'm this young kid, and I'm listening to punk rock music. War is bad. War is wrong. Blah, blah, blah. And I agree. I'm like, I don't understand why we keep hearing these stories about civilians being killed.

I don't understand. And I research it, and I learn about it. And I start to understand the history, and I read about Desert Storm and things like that. I was a lot younger. I read about the Cold War. And then I say, I don't trust the government. Barack Obama is supposedly going to be hope and change. And I'm young and naive. And people tell me, you got to understand, he's an insurgent candidate. He's not supposed to be there. It's supposed to be Hillary. She's the establishment.

Vote for Obama. And I'm like, wow, is this really the change? And you know what? One of the first things Obama does when he gets into office is he bombs a village of women and children with a drone strike, or I think it might've been an airstrike or something like that, under the guise of terrorist hunting. And I was like, okay, well, that's weird.

But maybe that was from the old administration. Like, I'm gonna give him a chance. And then he surged our troops in Afghanistan. And then I just got really jaded and angry and was just like, so they lied to me the whole time. Sounds to me like the war issue was a big issue for you. Absolutely. And of course, then everything you had been saying about the war was, I started asking myself, why is it that it's this Republican candidate who was preaching against war, who's

still preaching against war, who is now, I can see as the track record of actually caring about these issues. And then I started to see the hypocrisy in these other liberal and Democrat voters who told me they opposed the war. But the moment Barack Obama got elected, they stopped caring. And I was like, you lied to me. That put a chip on my shoulder. And I got deeply offended and distrustful of these people. And not to mention, I never liked Republicans as it was. So what I ended up seeing was more of, I've never considered myself like a right-leaning libertarian or a conservative.

I remember seeing you give certain speeches where I was like, well, I don't agree with that. But the one thing I always said, and I think the Mises caucus actually quoted me and they made a little graphic was, I thought to myself,

you know, this guy Ron Paul is saying, you know, here's what I believe, but you know what? I think the government should leave you all alone. And I thought to myself, you know, this guy Ron Paul is saying, you know, here's what I believe. But you know what? I think the government should leave you all alone. And I thought to myself, well, OK, I can vote for that. He can believe whatever he wants as long as he leaves me alone. Right. And so that that was a big factor.

And, you know, I would consider myself kind of like a centrist libertarian type more like more freedom, less less government, a little bit of government. I'm not an anarchist or anything like that. But I think I think the Obama being a liar thing, and it was kind of like they spat on me. They lied to me, they insulted me, and I just don't trust them. And I see you consistent. And I was a huge Bernie Sanders supporter in 2015 and 16 for a similar reason. He was more what I thought of as the left-wing version of you, anti-war, pro-worker, all these things. Sure enough, that was another lie. He ends up just catering straight

to the establishment the moment they tell him to, makes a million bucks selling a book, and then says, you can be a millionaire if you write a book too. And I'm like, was all of that a lie too? Look, I gotta admit, I just don't like any of these politicians. But you seem to have retired with grace and dignity and remain consistent on all your positions. Then your son is in there doing great work as well. And I'm like, these are the only few politicians I actually think have ever meant it, to be honest. Did they ever try to buy you off? Did they ever try to silence you or stop you?

No, they always insulted me. They never came to see me. You think that if you'd... No, the lobbyists didn't come. Did they come to our office? One time and you kicked them out. I didn't do that. You listened to him first.

You listened to him first. If you'd become president in 2008, do you think that they would have been like, here's who you're going to bomb next? And if you were like, no, that they would have JFK'd you? Well, that's hard to say. But if you did more than that, if you really changed things,

there'd be a revolution. That for some reason, whether they kill you or what, but anybody that supported it, it would be done. It's not going to happen that's why that's why we have to expect the collapse to come in a different way nobody's gonna we can't get enough people in congress to pass pass the right law to really change things it's good that we have there and we have a few more now than we did before you know with the recent election but it's uh it would be catastrophic if you really change it if you

you can't close down the fed the fed has to close themselves down yeah you mentioned auditing the fed at the time it's like 2009 or 10 or 11 or something you're talking about auditing the fed and i kept thinking no repeal the federal reserve act of 1913 repeal it but now what you're saying is that would undercut pull the rug out well i want, well, I want to repeal it. I've had bills in to repeal it. It's just that I had a lot of Democrats sign on to auditing the Fed and all the Republicans, but I wouldn't have gotten five votes to abolish the Fed.

There's a famous video. It became pragmatic, but it was also, to me, educational because I was surprised we did that. Why won't they vote for auditing? This podcast is supported by Talkspace. When my husband came home from his military deployment, readjusting was hard for all of us.

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I think that, where was it I read? I think it was $31 trillion they passed out over COVID. But it's off the books. I mean, they don't go through Congress to appropriate this money. And they don't want that to be revealed. That's why I said the thing they want to protect the most are the international transactions.

That's where they wheel and deal and keep the uh bank international settlements that's probably do a lot of the wheeling and dealing and the bailouts are secret a lot of the money is being moved around no one even knows exactly where it's going who it's going to i confronted ben bernanke about this issue the guy tried to steal my microphone from me because i was like where's the money going to how much money are you giving? And this was all the way back in 2011. But the good news is the market is more powerful than the politicians. And that is why Bretton Woods broke down. That's why Henry Hazlitt was right. All through the 60s were right. And the people said it won't work. It won't work. And finally, it didn't work. And that's why

the same people are saying the dollar is going to get much much weaker and they it will lose its reserve stand it's a it's a reserve reserve country uh credentials what do you think is like a a cogent move forward to try and bring it into a slow landing soft landing as soft as we can. You can't do that. But because the time has passed, the best example to know what we could have done and should have done is 1921, because there was a very serious depression in 1921. And I guess Hoover was still in,

but the Keynesianism hadn't taken over. And they just said, you didn't bail people out. You know, it's bad debt. Liquidate the debt and get it over with. So they did nothing. And after a little over a year, the GDP, I think, went down like 15%. And then everybody, you know, had to go back to scratch. And after that, everything was growth.

You know, the markets were growing again. And you could have done that. And you could do do it now but politically it wouldn't be acceptable so start businesses in the in the private sector what if we were going to do it like a soft landing or something it would be like by creating productivity but not waiting for the politicians that's why the market is important i I think that you could, you know, if you took all of the dumb economic things that Biden has done, especially in energy, blowing up pipelines, you know, doing all that nonsense and more regulation,

if you remove that, that would be helpful. That would increase productivity and lower prices. But the debt is too big. The debt is going to haunt us and people worry, rightfully so, that the debt will be liquidated and they are going to default. But the default comes because the debt is shrinking right now because of the money is worth so little. And they can't quit doing that. You know, they even talk about, you know, raising interest rates right now each day. If they go, if they say one word to hint that, well, interest rates are going to go up a little bit.

You know, the market's got out a trillion dollars. It's crazy. It's beyond repair. We're going to go to super chats. So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and become a member at TimCast.com. Head over to TimCast.com, click Join Us, become a member, because we're going to have an uncensored members-only show coming up at about 10, 10 p.m. Eastern time, where we're even going to take audience questions. And I believe in this segment, we'll try and focus on cultural issues that are currently happening today, which I really want to ask about, especially in a medical context. I think some of you may understand where I'm going

with that. So we'll save that one for the not so family friendly after show. And in the meantime, let's read your super chats. So we have this one from Raymond G. Stanley Jr. He says, Ron, sir, thanks for coming. I literally just left my first Libertarian Party regional meeting thanks to Decord. These folks are legit. Four are running for local office. Others doing work. I was quite impressed, sir.

You're about to get up? Or you're in the bathroom? Was that a question directed at you that I didn't hear? Someone was just saying that they, one of our audience members saying that the Libertarian Party is legit and they thank you for coming. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. It's great to be here. Oh yeah, if you go to the bathroom, go for it. Tell me what the schedule is like. We got about 30 minutes. We're going to do super chats with the audience.

Okay. Audience questions. I'm cool. Yeah, yeah. Hop on out. no problem we'll read we'll read some super chats and uh do your thing all right chris o says ron paul is the most principled inspirational political figure of my lifetime thank you for everything dr paul and thanks to tim for having him on uh i think thank you to dr paul and uh daniel for coming i mean this is a it's an honor and a privilege.

One thing I wanted to add, too, just in this context, when Dr. Paul asked me about what mattered to me, is I want to stress that I was very much in the generic pro-choice camp when I was younger. And then I heard Dr. Paul talk about

life beginning at conception, explaining it and giving his reasoning. And that changed my view. I wouldn't say that i became pro life or anything like that but i immediately was like interesting i understand now what he's saying in terms of the pro-life context life beginning at conception he's a doctor he would know i respect that argument and it changed my views and it pulled me back closer i would say when i was younger it was very much like who cares abort the Abort the baby. Like what? You know, punk rock. And then I was kind of like, we should probably have some

limitations on this thing. And so it definitely made me, because when I was younger, I was probably far left, you know, anarcho-leftist, whatever that means. And then I got older, I became more centrist, libertarian type. And I think Ron Paul played a role in that for sure. Well, he tells a powerful story. When he first started, he was in residency and he would tell it better than I would. But just as an example that there was an abortion that survived uh and the baby was lying in the corner of the room and everyone just was pretending that it wasn't there as the baby gas for air because the point was that that baby was supposed to be aborted and he didn't have a real strong view necessarily until that experience and i think it really and it was i think in the

one book that he wrote about abortion it really affected him so if you're against violence that literally is an act of violence you know yeah and personally i i just never liked the government i don't know about you guys but uh never saw the government everyone's calling you uh daniel mcbaste in the comments by the way all right uh kite the twin blade says it's happening it is indeed it is indeed happening yeah everyone's mentioning the meme yeah so liam mccollum says dave smith 2024 so ron paul can be the last federal reserve chairman ever would you would you accept uh a chairmanship at the Federal Reserve if you were nominated? Well, you know,

that's about the last thing that would ever happen. Would I accept? Yeah, as long as I knew my rules. My first goal would be to close shop. That's the point. Are you familiar with Dave Smith? Dave Smith?

Dave Smith? You want to grab the mic? Yeah Oh yeah grab the mic too When you're talking Oh okay Yeah the super chat was about I thought you were tired Listening to me

Oh no no never About Dave Smith Becoming president And nominating you For the Federal Reserve Chair Yeah do you know Dave Smith? Yeah He may be the

Maybe The 2024 Libertarian candidate I'd hope so hope so i know we'll see but uh someone asked if he wins would you accept an appointment to the chair to chair the federal reserve oh i i would but it wouldn't be living in the practical world it would be shutting it down yeah i think we can accept that all right grim metal says you woke me up in 2007 dr paul thank you so much my entire metals business that is thriving is all because of you look at that all right what do we have here frump says as an older millennial i voted for you

wrote you in and adored your view on what we can be i appreciate rand and his views he's a solid guy please stay with us we need another 23 plus years well all right cloud roth says ron paul makes me proud to be an american man it it is i i think i mentioned this before but uh as you were talking about you know you maybe say maybe say something to 10 people, but then at the time it goes on, those ideas ripple outward. I don't know if you're aware of just how many millions or even tens of millions of people are where they are politically, economically, because of the work you did and how profound that was for so many people. No, but that might be exaggerated a little bit. But we don't know that. And I'm fascinated with the concept of the remnant.

And I would say that the people that are in this meeting here tonight pretty look like much like they're dealing with retaining and maintaining the beliefs in liberty and you become a remnant and uh i've heard a little bit of disagreement but i heard people in this room that wanted to just hear the plain truth of things and then that's to me the wonderful thing and so you don't know we don't know uh well you might know you have the numbers how many people listen but you don't know how many people they talk you have the numbers how many people listen but you don't know how many people they talk to the next day so that's what that's what's so miraculous about it and i i think it's wonderful somebody somebody asked me one time that you know after

having been up there how did you ever put up with it you know it's so disgusting and uh i said well i'll tell you what it never bothered me because know, obviously my goal was not to be, you know, come a congressman or the chairman of the Federal Reserve. I said, so I just, you know, I did what I thought I could do and in my own way. But, you know, I had low expectations. And so I tolerated it quite well. Gormall says, thank you, Dr. Paul, for everything you've done and raising a remarkable son. I would love to hear your opinion on national divorce. National divorce. This is to separate the good guys from the bad guys, huh?

Well, I don't know exactly what all the details would be. All I want is freedom of choice. And right now, the founders are rather astute in providing for us a way that we can move around. And if you didn't like one state, you can move around. But, no, I'd like the unit of government always to be permitted. And I think the most important unit of government that we should have is the individual. Self-government is what we need. And then the person is totally responsible for everything he or she does. And you have to accept the consequence. But I think the

other principle in this that you have to look for is the principle of private property rights, owning property. If you know that it's your property and they're not supposed to mess with it, and if you're not allowed to mess with your neighbor's property, then we have to accept the expansion of that, which we don't do very often in Washington, is that if you can't do it, if you can't steal it from your neighbor, you're not allowed to send the government there. Call the congressman. I'll get that from him.

He has too much stuff, so we'll get it. So there's a couple principles. So just those principles aren't complex, and I think a lot of people say, yeah, that makes sense. The compliment I like the best is this. Why I like to listen to you. It makes common sense that's good you know if it is it's not too complex and uh and the direction we go in otherwise if you want to uh get get the keynesian uh mathematical formulas i'll say well if we do

abc you can get this and we can you know all, all that nonsense. They go, no, that doesn't work. That'll put you to sleep for sure. What do we have here? A free thinking dog says, how do we get libertarians and conservatives to align today? Together we would be unbeatable, but we need to get libertarians back to some sanity. I would say the opposite of that. We need to get the other party back to some sanity and stop trying to bomb people. I think the Bush years had tremendous damage to the Republican Party and the Conservative Party, especially with all the wars that they have started. They had the seat at the table.

They had the Congress. They had the Senate. They had the Supreme Court. They had everything. And they decided to go with pointless wars. Why would people trust that? They don't trust that. And this is what caused Obama to be as powerful as it is.

This is what caused the kind of woke movement to be where it is right now, a direct pushback against the conservatives sitting at the table. And then I would, you know, frankly say pooping all over it. I thought your work was an example of bridging the gap between libertarianism and the Republican Party. Do you see, well, one, I guess, do you see a lot a lot of like cohesiveness between the two or or would you like to? Oh, I would like to, but I'm not sure it's going to be all of a sudden a reformation and the Republicans changing their tune, because right now the thing that's fascinated me about bringing people together is the fact that the uh i'm disappointed that the traditional progressive democrat uh that was an ally when i was in congress we've you know the dennis kucinich is we'd work together and try to make the point of the stupidity of the wars in the

middle east and i got more support from democrats because bush was in there. So it was political. It was short-sighted. So that is, you know, one thing that we could do is, you know, if the progressives are moving away, but they're acting more like hawks. You know, they're joining the Republican hawks, but at the same time, the Republicans are improving. Now they have a little group up there that uh you know got together with a remnant of the uh progressive democrats and uh they were able to persuade people that it's time we have to think about no more money to ukraine you know so that's the start the problem there is our practical problem daniel i have to deal with yeah that's

all good but so often when we find somebody oh oh, yeah, they want to do this, and we're doing too much there. What they want to do is for you to build up the hatred toward China. Oh, we'd rather fight China. That wears me out. Yeah, we did an episode of the Ron Paul Liberty Report. I think it was last week about this. There was a Politico story about how Speaker McCarthy is getting very nervous

because he's got to breakaway group of Republicans who are willing to get together with progressives who are breaking away from their party. And the reason why it's important is because there's a lot of leverage there. McCarthy can only afford to lose four votes on anything. So if you've got 10 people, we saw all the people that were holding up his, taking the chair, if you've got 10 or 15 people, or, you know, and they will line up with three or four on the progressive side, you literally have a third party in Congress right now that has enormous stopping power. And, you know, it's, it's our sincere hope that they realize the power they have. One of the things that they coalesced on is ending the authorization for the Iraq war. And that's an easy one.

So start with the easy things like that and realize how much power a group of 10 people can have in this kind of a close Congress. I mean, that's one of the few areas I think for optimism. Jim O'Brien says, what are the pronouns on the black shirt? Told you so. Oh, those are good. Those are good. Yeah, that's that's in my shirt saying that i

identify as a conspiracy theorist so okay infernal saxon says could a state government audit the fed state government yeah well the state governments are are doing good jobs they've gotten together i have visited some of their legislative bodies and And it's neat because they're taking the Constitution literally and they're saying only the only legal tender the states allow to use is gold and silver. So they're strictly, they don't have to ask the federal government about this. They're just, and it's really pretty neat. It's a good teaching device. We're not going to have magic and change it. But this is the kind of thing that I think gets people's attention. Somebody might say, I wonder why the founders put that in there.

How would we have a Federal Reserve? Well, maybe we don't need a Federal Reserve. But there are about six states or so that have worked on this. And I'd like to see the states really move in that direction. So we encourage that a whole lot to, you know, to argue the case for the states to do something. Right on. Heron Gaming News says, One thing is clear, I'm bringing marshmallows and toasting them over the dumpster fire the establishment gave us.

Luke is a statist. I missed you, Luke. How dare you call me that? If there's one offensive thing you can call me it is that i am highly offended triggered status seriously all right let's see winston alexander says ian ai drones to pacify the military industrial complex wtf why not direct the military industrial complex, WTF? Why not direct the military industrial complex into something productive like space stations or spaceships? I'm down to do that too.

So what I would want to do is build drone swarms and then put onboard artificial intelligence on the drone swarms, but don't give the swarms weapons. Just give them like sensor targeting things so they can swarm us, target our weaknesses, and then give us what we did wrong and tell us how to get better at destroying them. Why?

Because drone swarms is the next stage of war. Ian's right. There's videos talking about the drone swarm developments they've been working on in warfare where they can unleash like 100,000 drones that can just, they don't need a nuke. They just get these drones to all crash into a city

in perfect synchronicity targeting the key point. It's crazy precision. But I would argue maybe we just get government contracts for assembly drones where the drones in outer space build things. Yeah. That'd be cool. Yeah, you can have like a hundred trillion drones in space all working in synergy to build. Size almost becomes

irrelevant when you're building in space. You'll be able to build planetary sized things. Dyson spheres. Just build a Dyson sphere. Space exploration? Can we do a little bit of that maybe? Yeah, that sounds a lot better than bombing and killing people. Yes, Starship's launching soon. Elon Musk's Starship. Let's get him on the show.

He's in Austin, isn't he? Is he? I might DM him. Yeah, hit him up. Hit him up. Tell him to come on the show. Let's talk about Twitter. Alright, let's grab about twitter all right let's grab some more here in gaming news says luke can anarchy save us or will the feds be benevolent rulers um i don't have a you know i don't have a you remember that yes yes yes i i can't predict

the future but i know if people follow the principles of the non-aggression principle and voluntarianism and become personally responsible for themselves, no matter what happens, they will be ready for whatever comes and more prepared for it and a lot better situation than if they weren't. So I think those two ideas that you guys represent so well and speak about for so many years are critical at this juncture where things are very crazy. They're only going to get a lot crazier from here and more than ever we need to take care of ourselves and our communities and i think if we go along those lines uh we're going to be ready for whatever comes next wow um

hecubus says tim eggs are 10 bucks for a dozen in camifornia meanwhile at the castle we've got like 200 eggs. Because we have chickens. We have like 30 of them. So we're getting like 27 eggs per day, some ridiculous number. Do you have a farm, Ron? Not really. I have a couple acres.

I was raised in a way a chicken farm than a dairy. And I decided that I wouldn't raise chickens at this particular time. I have a couple cows, but I have a nice place. And once again, it's back to my so-called optimism that I just haven't run into a lot of ugly people. I know they're out there, and I suffer their consequences. But no, our family feels very fortunate that we've been i've been able to practice medicine and uh we have a few problems and it's been

rather nice but i'm not a farmer you you would agree though that chickens are pretty cool i i don't know i think they're sometimes pretty dirty. Yeah, they're nasty little poopers. But I think chickens are great. Can't beat the eggs, man. Fresh eggs for breakfast, man. And we had a garden, so we would pluck the cherry tomatoes. I'd grab some zucchini, and then I'd make my own breakfast right there for my own garden. You know, Barry Rothbard used to say, well, he says he believes in the division of labor and I do, too. So you raise the chickens and I'm going to save my silver dollars and my gold coins so I can buy some eggs from you.

All right. Let's see. What do we got? Callum Dimmick says you should talk about the similarities between the Tennessee legislature bringing back the senators they kicked out with the caning of Senator Summer right before the first American Civil War, i.e. hit him again. Well, I don't think it's the same thing. I mean, the pre-Civil War caning was merciless brutality, which left the guy permanently disabled, depending on who you ask, I suppose. And what we have now is a guy threw a hot coffee, was arrested for throwing hot coffee four years ago and then was permanently banned from the Capitol, later got elected as a Democrat and brought into the Capitol. Then he joined the protesters to storm the Capitol, so he got kicked out and then got reinstated by Democrats to go back to the Capitol just recently. So I wouldn't call it a caning.

There are similarities in that there's a division between both sides, but I don't know. When was the last time there was an expulsion in in this matter it's been a long time i'm pretty sure traffic can't what is that probably traffic can't in the u.s house when james traffic can't congressman when was that i was there at the time so 0506 wow what brought that up his story congressman's traffic traffic can hand story is a crazy yeah extraordinary is absolutely wondered if you don't know about that man i interviewed him i interviewed him before and i'm still shocked yeah what happened do you want to take this daniel well you probably know the details better than i do but it seems like he was jfk'd too

yeah big time what was he trying i remember going to the house floor for him yeah you were the all you were everyone voted no i mean everyone voted to expel um lotterette voted not to expel and you voted present because you objected to the entire process it was ugly garbage it was ugly it's just like an emotional thing people are trying what were they throwing him out for? They claimed that he had some staffers paint his boat. But what they were really throwing him out for is because he showed that the emperor had no clothes,

that the whole system, you know, he was famous for going down to the floor and give one minute speeches that he ended with, beam me up, Scotty. You know, and so he had. He's really a deep guy he had contempt and disdain for all the hypocrisy in washington and he passed he never sat with the democrats no and he passed away from an accident uh again tractor accident tractor independent yeah yeah

i i you can see my interview with him on we are change maybe you'll be able to find it if you look up james trafficant, We Are Change. But crazy story. All right. Ronwell Nogales says, nice meeting you in person. Thanks for taking a picture with me and signed my book last February. I had a child star who I'm a huge fan of. Gave me the confidence I need to meet you.

You're my hero and I would have voted for you for president in 2012. That's very nice yeah all right they they eddie says in 07 when i was 17 and scared ish lists by alex jones's endgame dr paul was the only politician we were told we could trust i supported his family only until trump still very grateful for paul. Yeah, I love Rand, man. You guys are so different, but it almost freaks me out that you're related. I love it.

I want to see you together talking. Yeah, I think he does a very good job, and I'm pretty critical of myself, so sometimes I sit there and I say, he's better than I am at this stuff here. He gives a good speech. He's very, very knowledgeable on the COVID business. The confrontation with Fauci is something for the history books.

Yeah. Here's a good one. Anwar Abu Baker says, there's a Ron Paul revolution billboard still on the highway between Nevada and California from Dr. Paul's last presidential campaign. Wow. Who sees it?

When they're leaving California oria or going to california yeah that's a good question maybe when they're leaving and then they can think about it maybe they're leaving for a reason you know or maybe they should see it before they get there to be honest turn around all right what do we got here phil h says libertarians have gained a lot of ground with republicans can the same be done with Democrats or are they too far gone? Well, my view is that Democrats believe in correct things too much. There are certainly conservatives who believe in correct things. But for the most part, when when I have a conversation with somebody as it pertains to Ukraine or economics or anything, they're just like, I don't know what they know is what the New York Times just said last night.

And that's probably why they don't like coming on shows like this where we will pull up all of the stories and they'll have to confront those issues. They don't want to do it. So, all right. Let's see. Let's grab, we'll grab a couple more. Where are we at?

Cornbop says, let's grab uh we'll grab a couple more where we at corn pop says graph ian bud light graphian make the shirts luke i don't know i don't know if that one will do well i don't know if luke could make a shirt for ian a graph ian shirt i think that's a shirt you know my blessing you're welcome to but i'll do it we'll donate it to the graphene fund. I don't understand the shirt that he's saying, though. Graphene, but like graphene. I don't know. All right. Frump says, Ron superseding Ian in the 20 throws. Luke, stop throwing 20s. He's going to know Ryan.

That's a dungeon. You ever play Dungeons and Dragons? The what? Have you played Dungeons and Dragons, the board game? You roll dice to do things in the game. And if you roll a 20 20 that means you get a critical success so this guy said you got more critical success i'm not i'm not into those kind of games you're not a gamer i play i go to congress instead yeah play games over there

all right kite the twin blade says dr paul thank you for being you you turned me from a rabid neocon in 2007 in into a right libertarian. I found real nonviolent solutions when none were offered by the Republicans. I completely agree. I think that's absolutely how at least a lot of people I know felt. It is fascinating to hear now we have Republicans come on the show and Luke will say something like we've been warning you about the FBI and the ATF and the CIA, the intelligence agencies for a decade. And then you'll get these prominent conservatives going, yeah, you were right the whole time we screwed up. And that's

an amazing thing to see. I think it's great. Yeah. Who knew destroying the constitution was a bad idea? Who knew destroying people's civil liberties and freedom of speech and the fourth amendment and on and on and on was a bad idea. A lot of people saw it. You warned people about 40 years ago. There's a video of you 40 years ago warning about the FBI. It's going viral right now all over Twitter. Glenn Greenwald just tweeted it out.

But I've been seeing that video for a very long time. You warning us about the FBI and you were absolutely right on the money and the situation we're in now is just absurd. For sure. All right, everybody, if you have not already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel,

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Ron Paul Liberty Report. Daniel McBaste and Dr. No. Thank you so much for coming on the show and talking about the non-aggression principle. Really appreciate everything you guys have to do and everything you guys are doing. So thank you so much. If you guys want to check out my channel, it is youtube.com forward slash we are change.

I do a lot of videos. There's many years of a lot of interviews, interviews with Dr. Paul, interviews with James Traficant, a lot of interesting people, youtube.com forward slash we are change. And I'm doing an in real life meetup this thursday 3 30 p.m austin you could find out about that by being a member of luke uncensored.com lukeuncensored.com see you there you said luke unfiltered yesterday

there's two websites okay i'm testing them out i'm seeing which one works better lukeunfiltered.com lukeuncensored.com both of them work i'm ian crossland ron anything thanks for coming brother anything you're thinking well i will just make a point that i make frequently is a lot of times after a speech or a meeting people will come up and thank me for being a big help and encouragement and what they were doing but i have i have to admit that i come for selfish reasons because when i meet people like you who are interested in what I'm in and you you know generally agreed with me that's that's an encouragement so I leave with a positive attitude and that it's that I benefit as much as you might tell me you benefit so that that that is what I think is beneficial and the neat thing about all this is is the whole

idea of the remnant is so fascinating that I don't know how long you've been on the air and all, but you probably have influenced a lot of people. And it sounds to me like, gee, I sort of agree with those guys up there. They have a good message. I wonder where they got that. But it was a delight. Thanks for having me here. Absolutely. All right, everybody.

Serge is also pressing the buttons. He doesn't have a camera, though, but shout out to Serge. Yeah, me here. Absolutely. All right, everybody. Serge is also pressing the buttons. He doesn't have a camera, though, but shout out to Serge. Yeah, I'm still here. All right. We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes. Thanks for hanging out. you