Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #773 Democrats DOUBLE DOWN Defending VIOLENT Subway Attacker w/Lauren Southern & Jon Du Toit

Episode Date: May 6, 2023

Tim, Ian, Seamus, & Serge join Lauren Southern & Jon Du Toit to discuss updates on the death of Jordan Neely, a grand jury looking into the Jordan Neely case, & a George Soros company buying Vice Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Download the BetMGM Ontario app today. You don't want to miss out. Visit BetMGM.com for terms and conditions. 19 plus to wager, Ontario only. Please gamble responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, So apparently there's no news at all today because the only thing I'm seeing is clips from yesterday's show. And they're like, Tim Pool this, Tim Pool that. And it's just like, oh, geez. No,us and ian this and seamus and that's right they thought we were no seamus we were so no seamus we this lamest this is lamest that's right

that was a good one seamus thanks buddy so we we do have news though um the big story right now that everyone's talking about this week is the Jordan Neely story. This is the homeless guy who was attacking people. There's new new evidence has come out of his past behaviors. And once again, the left is doubling down on the grand jury should indict the man who was defending himself and others from this violent individual. So we'll definitely talk about that. And there was a funnier story that I thought maybe we should lead with. Donald Trump's rape trial deposition

has been released to a certain extent. And there's a clip where he roasts the opposition lawyer saying like, he says something like, you wouldn't be good enough for me, quite frankly. And it's just, it's really funny that he's being deposed and he tells the female lawyer

that she's not good enough for him to like want to sleep with. I just think that's kind of funny. So it's Friday. We're chilling. We're going to talk about what's going on with this, the politics stuff. I think some of the, there is going to be some conversation about what the whole thing last night, because we've been talking about it all day and basically everybody else is. Before we get started, my friends, today's episode of Tim Castellar is brought to you by Cast Brew Coffee. Take a look at this beautiful bag. Go to castbrew.com and pick up your coffee today. I gotta tell you,

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documentaries channel. Because joining us today to talk about this and so much more is Lauren Southern. Happy to be here. And you just completed a documentary. Yes. For us. Timcast original, Infringed. Great timing with Biden repeatedly tweeting about how we need to ban assault rifles

because we've been going all across the states from Baltimore to Texas to, unfortunately, Berkeley, interviewing people, night crawling and figuring out what's been going on with the gun control stuff here. And it's a pretty epic documentary, an hour and 40 minutes of deep dive and on the ground footage. And John Dutrois. Yes. Thanks for having me.

Yeah. Do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah. Well, I'm John Dutrois. I'm a filmmaker and, you know, I make music as well. You know, I'm just, you know, I like doing art. And yeah. Right on.

And filmmaking. So you guys, Lauren and John, have produced Infringed. We do have another documentary. So in the next two weeks, we should have two full length documentaries come out. The second is by Ben Stewart and Harrison Schultz. And it's about the Federal Reserve and banking. And I just feel like we got really lucky with this because the gun control thing is happening now.

And we talked about doing this. We pitched this like six, seven months ago. And the same thing with the Federal Reserve documentary, and now the banks are all collapsing. So it's just like, wow, we really saw the future here. And having this come out in the next couple of weeks is gonna be really great. So that'll be at timcast.com.

We're gonna be putting clips up on youtube.com slash timcast, really great. So that'll be at TimCast.com. We're going to be putting clips up on YouTube.com slash TimCast and then the full length for members only on TimCast.com. So there will be powerful select moments from the documentaries released and then, you know, we're hoping that this can be something sustainable

and we can keep making more documentaries, but we're already getting ready for the next set. So thank you guys for hanging out. Smash the like button. We almost got, we also got, we almost got we we also got almost got we almost got Seamus but I was like I don't think I could do tonight's show no Tim wasn't offering enough in the way of whiskey Seamus has three four bottles of booze

in front of him that's true and I drank all of them that's why they're empty it's not like former guests have been mixing all together Tim I went over there and there were these insanely expensive bottles and Tim said you just only take the really cheap stuff seamus because you know we don't value you seamus tried drinking the cheap stuff and i was like seamus we got a 25 year scotch right what are you doing that's actually true i feel bad i don't want to crack open your 25 year scotch we're sitting there and he's like you know i don't really want to open the expensive ones you know what i mean and i'm like no the difference between men and women lauren's like is it bad if i mix the diet coke into the 25 year scotch and yeah and i was

like no i encourage it i recommend it is that what you're doing that's the plan after i finish this one please don't do that please do not some traditions have to be protected my goodness the whiskey aficionados are watching the show and every time lauren comes on they're like no stop it yeah remember when she had the pappy out of a styrofoam cup hey we put honey in there i will blaspheme against the the glenn levitt is that what it's called yeah levitt glenn levitt the glenn levitt xxv that's 25 years guys well anyway my name is seamus cogglin i have youtube channel called freedom tunes where we make animated cartoons i also have a podcast called Shamer. It's on Rumble twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays at 6 p.m. Eastern.

Nice branding, man. Thank you. I was just going to say, you can really tell I'm not media trained. It's like, why don't you introduce yourself? I'm like, hi. I'm just a guy. Happy to be here.

I'm also just a guy. We got Moon Lord over here. What's happening? I'm leaning into it too. Team Lord and Moon Lord. We're going to the moon. We're going to build a space elevator on the moon. Michael Lane's already been working on it

with Spaceport, so I'm going to be happy to ride that thing. You're going to be very disappointed when you realize the moon isn't real. Oh boy. You think the moon's hollow? I've heard it's hollow. No, it's a hologram. It's a space station. Haven't you seen that movie Moonfall or whatever it's called? It's a hollow break. Where the moon is falling to Earth and it turns out the whole moon

is a space station that created Earth and ancient aliens, humans actually built it. I think it's the it's a hollow where the moon is falling to earth and it turns out the whole moon is a space station that created earth and ancient aliens humans actually built it i think it's the result of a planet colliding with earth a long time ago and coming out the other end is a ball of magma that just cooled down over time that's why it's held magnetically just between us and the sun creating a perfect eclipse gravitational but that is the perfect introduction for ian so this is gravity magnetism sounds like it's like a conspiracy theory to me it's funny when people are like tim's show is weird because he has like seamus and ian on yeah yeah moon lord and tune lord dude also we got serge dupreea hello how's it going guys excited for this show it's like the least weird guy i know let's uh let's jump into this first story so the big news that's been uh happening all week that the the

left seems to be latching onto and is a really good example of anarcho-tyranny is this dude, Jordan Neely, who died after he was choked and he was subdued and then choked on a train. And we got this new story from the New York Post. 9-1-1 flooded with calls, including reports of a gun, while Jordan Neely was fatally choked on train. They say a total of five emergency calls were made over a four-minute span just before 2.30 p.m. Monday when now-identified 24-year-old Daniel Penny held Neely in a chokehold on

the floor of the northbound F train. The first call came in at 2.26, was reporting a physical fight on the subway, followed by another one minute later, someone reporting on the train threatening riders. So it sounds like this guy, Neely, had already attacked people, then was threatening people because you can't have one call come in and then a call come in after, right? So people are saying the original story was that Neely was threatening people and then he got subdued. Sounds like he attacked people, then stopped, went on to threaten people, and then later

a third caller said he was armed with a knife or a gun. It was unclear whom the call was referring to, though. Nelly, Neely or Penny. So we don't know for sure. But I really don't think they're talking about the three men who subdued this guy. Now, what's ended up what's ended up happening is I think I have a tweet from AOC. She tweets, I have yet to hear a real explanation from any official hesitating to condemn the killing of Jordan Neely about what makes condemning this violence so complicated. It's not complicated. There's nothing that here's

I'll tell you this AOC, let me make it easy for you. I condemn Jordan Neely's violence. I condemn your soft on crime policies that resulted in 25 people last year being shoved in front of trains with two of them dying. I condemn you and your actions. And I commend the man, the men who's tried stopping this violent man. And I am sad that Jordan Neely lost his life. Was that so difficult? I hand it to you, panel. I mean, this is also something we're seeing a lot in my city of Vancouver. First of all, I think public transport is very quickly becoming a human rights violation. We just had an ISIS stabbing where a teenager had his throat slit on the subway. Another gentleman killed. A lot of you probably saw the Starbucks stabbing in Vancouver.

What? No. You didn't see it? It was on footage. Some guy was fatally stabbed in front of his toddler because he asked a guy to stop vaping and it was actually with a religious knife from a Sikh gentleman, I think. What? In broad daylight in Vancouver. And it's all of these people. This was like two, three weeks ago.

Whoa. It's a whole lot of people with mental health issues that keep being released on the street. Forty individuals, this was last year, committed over 3, 000 crimes in one year in vancouver and they can't figure it out they can't figure out what to do you give that list of 40 people to a toddler and they can tell you what to do with it put them in jail put them in jail if they have committed oh i did see this right i did see this story i did not realize that's what had what had caused it yeah i just the video is like whoa that guy got stabbed.

He's just watching as the dude bleeds out. He asked him to stop vaping. None of that's ever condemned. The fact that we live in a culture that doesn't see this as out of the ordinary but loses its mind when somebody tries to defend themselves is never condemned by any of these political leaders who claim to care so much about human lives. No, no, it's because they're evil. It's like, listen, I'll use traditional comic book and cartoon lore the villain is the one like the joker releasing the inmates from prison and then laughing as the inmates terrorize people and then when the super revolution man when the superhero stops the

criminals they go no they get mad that it's happening. That's literally what we're seeing. Ocasio-Cortez is a comic book villain. She is Lex Luthor. She pretends to be of the people. They all celebrate her. That's quite literally what Lex Luthor represented. He was the perfect villain for Superman because he didn't have superpowers. He controlled social society through corporations and wealth and means. AOC is certainly not extremely wealthy, but she uses her influence to defend

the criminals and condemn the victims. She lied about January 6th and she's trying to condemn innocent people now. Politicians need to be forced to take the subway every day if they have an opinion like that, if they think that he was the victim in this situation. Obviously, I think no one should have been put in this situation. Everyone was the victim of an extremely broken system. Yeah but but in the moment the man who is threatening people is the perpetrator yeah i don't care if you're like but he's mentally ill so what well he never should have been out there running around on the bus threatening people in the first place well yeah we need institutions for these exactly there needs

to be institutions for these people we need to have real frank conversations about what has to be done about the decline of mental health in the United States that aren't just, let's say, nice platitudes and throw money at a system that isn't going to actually do anything. And especially when you have political leaders like AOC who want for there to be national mass public transit from one side of the nation to the other with these massive railways. And they're not even doing anything to ensure that the mass transit in their own cities are safe for people or is safe for people. It's like, okay, now you want this to be the only option people have on a national scale. You want to start to slowly do away with highways and ensure that the only way people can get across the country is by riding these railways when the

railways in your city are extremely dangerous and you're not doing anything to make them safe. I think one thing that could be done is that we could do some sort of prison reform where we start putting webcams in prisons for inmates that are supervised and allow them to communicate with therapists and family. So we really do turn it into a sort of, I don't know, a place where people can actually become better as opposed to just retribution and vengeance. And we want them. We don't want people to suffer in prison. We want them to become better humans.

But I can take it one step further. I just I realized this the other day. Very, very simple solution. If you break the law, you are we forcefully give you the meta, the neural link implant and then plug you in and delete from your brain. Criminality. Dude, no joke. That is something that could happen. I think it's like a clockwork orange yeah they were talking about neural net i think early on they were talking about elon was talking about neural net that you

could dampen emotional receptors with it i think i think that they were actually talking about that the scientist working on it we just put like the neural link thing on them and then if they ever are about to commit a crime, it just slows down their motor functions until they stop. And then the opportunity stops, and then they can only resume if they, in their mind, reject. But then the thing is, so you'll have some dude who wants to go out and commit crimes, and he'll start to slow down, and people go, well, help that man! There's something wrong! And they'll go try to comfort him, and then he'll reach in and take their wallet.

A simple thing is, the device will start going, this man is experiencing criminal desires. This man is experiencing criminal desires. And that's like steer clear. Stay away. Stay away. Stay away. It just broadcasts your thoughts really loudly all the time.

Everyone just has their thoughts. That's so horrible. Everyone just has their thoughts shouted from a speaker at all times. You know what's wild to me is like when you're younger and you look at criminality, you think it's like a super big deal. Like, oh my gosh, your life is going to be over if you commit a crime. Like this is insane. And then you get older. And I was actually assaulted in a grocery store a few years ago. Some guy grabbed my butt, but he grabbed the wrong butt, I'll tell you right now, because I sent him straight to jail. Wow.

But it turns out he was on bail like that week. He had just gotten out of jail for serial assault, had grabbed four other women in the shops that morning. None of them wanted to come to court, but I was willing to. I was like, yeah, I'll put forward a statement and take the CCTV footage and everything. But it's like wild to me that he knows mere days after getting out of jail on bail, he's like let's go get back on

the streets grabbing ladies and it's like well and especially because look this is another thing that often goes unacknowledged but sex criminals have one of the highest rates of recidivism if not the highest rate so you can't just let them out on bail yeah we got to put the neural link thing in on us that's what i saying. How did you get that guy put away? What was your process? I just, I called the police after

and I was like, hey, this happened. Oh, and here's another thing. Like a bunch of people watched it happen and they all just kind of froze. Everyone freezes when there's something

like criminal that happens. It's like in that Starbucks video. It's almost like the guy in the background just sitting there drinking his coffee. Or the guy on the phone

being like, yo, he got stabbed. Wow. And I don't blame them because one, where the guys, do you see the one where the guy in the background just sitting there drinking his coffee yep like or the guy on the phone being like yo he got stabbed wow and i don't do it there was a one where the guys do you see the one where the guy got shot on camera where it's not that long i don't you don't actually see it happen on camera but don't you guys remember the simpsons when mr burns got shot by maggie and then you just spoiled spoiler alert he explains that like after he got shot he found only lollygaggers and it's like jimbo going like whoa and just like pointing at him as he's like dying that's right simpsons predicted all this yeah i don't want a society where people just stand by and watch people get violently assaulted but yeah we like to create a system where people are afraid to intercede because they might become

arrested for hurting some criminal thing this is what i was thinking i'm like no one well first of all there were a lot of women there uh so they don't want to go up against a man unless they have guns and no one has guns outside of america and uh then there's also the fact that yeah if you're a man and you actually win that fight and you do the heroic thing you're taught to do as a child you save the woman and distress whatever goodbye life like you're going to jail like this thing they won't be as kind to you right they're not going to let you out of prison. They are going to throw the book at you. So even if you didn't actually do anything, that rises to the level of a crime. So here's a great story that many people in the audience may unfortunately

not have heard of. Mark Houck, over a year ago, was protesting outside of an abortion clinic, and he was just there praying with his son. And every time he went there and prayed, there was an older man who would shout obscenities and disgusting things at his son and so finally one day this old man comes over to him and starts approaching his son to assault him and mark how pushes the old man away the soros funded prosecutor in that area said there's nothing to charge this man with there's literally nothing to charge this man with. There's literally nothing to charge this man with. There's no case here. But a year later, the FBI and DOJ, or the DOJ decides to charge him,

the FBI raids his house, and they try to get him convicted with a penalty that would result in him going to prison for 11 years. For pushing a guy? For pushing a guy, yeah. They were saying it was a violation of the FACE Act. And again, the Soros-funded prosecutor

in his area a year earlier said there was no case. There was nothing to follow. But because he has the wrong political values, because he was protesting abortion, we should lock him up and throw away the key. But we have mercy for people who are violent criminals and let them back out onto the street to harm everybody else. We got this story from ABC7. Grand jury could get subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely case next week. So they're actually, a law enforcement source from the investigation

tells ABC News the probe into the subway chokehold death is continuing. The case is likely to go to a grand jury next week. I will say this too. I believe the man's name is Daniel Penny. You are going to go to prison for a very, very long time. I don't know. I deflate eyewitnesses, man. There are a lot of eyewitnesses. don't think that matters that's all that matters the entire conversations

that the conversation that we've been having uh is that like kyle rittenhouse for instance would have would be in prison for the rest of the life the rest of his life if it was true that the people he shot in self-defense were black what we're likely going to see like with the ahmed arbery case this man i think his name is daniel penny is likely going to be politically convicted that's it i mean you've got aoc calling for him to be she's calling him a murderer she's not even saying it's reckless homicide or negligence she's saying outright murder for a jury to decide exactly but you but you've got someone with 13 million followers

inciting violence in this is what she's doing aoc i mean she's inciting violence in new york city by calling this guy a murderer and obfuscating the facts she wants people in new york she is like the joker she is she is well more like lex luther i guess luther became president that's right he did here's an interesting thing we discovered actually while filming infringed is a lot of people especially on the progressive side of things will look at these lower level crimes like the mental illness assaults on the subway they'll be like oh it was just like a small thing this and that or in baltimore when we were filming oh they have possession of an illegal weapon well they didn't kill anyone they didn't rob anything so we're just not gonna the progressive

da's would just be like whatever we're not even gonna deal with these cases they're like misdemeanors but what occurs is when they don't deal with those lower level cases they almost always end up becoming more high-level criminals it leads to murder it leads to um you know horrible assaults horrible robberies violence because you have to deal with it. If people start to test the water a bit, oh, I can get away with that, test the water a bit more, you can't have people getting away with these low-level misdemeanors constantly.

You can't have things like illegal weapons carrying in Baltimore be just not addressed whatsoever. Well, this is why Giuliani's broken window policing was effective. You have to stop the smaller crimes. Because it's not only the case, as you acknowledge, that people who commit these lower level crimes are in some sense testing the water and seeing what they can get away with, even just subconsciously. But it's also the case that if you know people are getting the book thrown at them for misdemeanors, you're going to think twice about a felony. You're going to think twice about committing a felony.

For sure. misdemeanors you're gonna think twice about a felony you're gonna think twice about committing a felony for sure i have mixed feelings about i don't about just just going hard to people for mr like drug possession marijuana are you kidding me that's just stupid laws like i don't think like i i personally i'm okay with canada having marijuana legalized i think the u.s should follow suit i just think that should legalize yeah i think it's wasting so it's wasting time it's wasting money it's there's so much real crime going on in this country that could be using up the courts but real quick what we are seeing is that they're legalizing drug use they're legalizing the right to set up homeless camps in public spaces and then they're criminalizing self-defense that's the problem it's the inversion and also when it comes to a federal war on drugs i oppose it i don't think there's anything wrong with a

particular state saying we want to ban this drug or that drug however i i don't think it's wise as a nation to have this bizarre two-faced halfway point where we say this drug is illegal or x y and z is illegal but it's not that serious a crime. You're not really going to get into that much trouble. If something is a crime, it should really be a crime. And that does mean we need to think twice about what laws we have, what we are willing to ban or make illegal. But once something's not legal, you really should get in serious trouble for breaking the law. I agree with that. It makes a mockery of the judicial system or the entire legal system if you can't enforce or don't enforce a law on the book.

So like Schedule 1 marijuana is a Schedule 1 narcotic in the United States federally. But it's like, no, we're not going to pursue it. They won't pursue it if it's legal in the state. Let me show you this from Vivek Ramaswamy. In 2015, Jordan Neely kidnapped a 7-year-old girl. In 2019, he punched a 64-year-old man in the face. In 2021, he slugged a 67 year old woman in the face as she exited the subway breaking her nose and fracturing her orbital bone he was arrested 44

times but never faced real justice for terrorizing new yorkers that man shares responsibility for his death for creating an anti-law enforcement culture you read that kidnapped a seven-year-old kid thing and i'm just like no i'm sorry i'm trying well he did the moonwalk though he moonwalked though yeah i'm gonna have to look into the details back because that makes me mad as hell and and uh uh i can't play this video but uh pushing the woman no this is a video of him screaming homophobic slurs at joey boots oh well that's the real problem forget about the the kidnapping. Now, I will say this. This is a video from DC Drainer where he says, it's a video of Jordan Neely going viral showing him violently assaulting a man using homophobic

slurs, the F word. I've not confirmed this, so I don't know that it's true, but it does look like it's him. Like, in the video, there's a video of a guy, looks just like Neely, he's doing Michael Jackson stuff, it looks like all the other videos. So I believe it's probably correct that it is him, but I want to make sure I have that caveat, because, you know, take it with a grain of salt. The age of deep guy looks just like Neely. He's doing Michael Jackson stuff. It looks like all the other videos. So I believe it's probably correct that it is him. But I want to make sure I have that caveat because, you know, take it with a grain of salt.

The age of deep fakes is now. But this is Joey Boots. And I know Joey Boots. And there's never a reason to have gone up, you know, rest in peace, Joey. There was never a reason to scream at him and threaten him because this is not what Joey did. Joey had a video of, like, walking up to Tucker Carlson. He's like, he's filming. He walks around New York filming.

Oh, yeah, I remember that video. And Tucker is like, I'm fishing. And he's like, oh, cool. And he's like,'s filming he walks around new york filming oh yeah i remember that video and tucker is like i'm fishing and he's like oh cool and he's like tucker carlson fishing in new york and tucker's just like yeah and that and then that's it joey would do these videos and he would go up to news cameras and say baba booey baba booey so when you see a video of this neely guy he was a violent angry dude he was mean he attacked people he kidnapped people how is it that this the villain the perpetrator is what aoc and the left you know how because this is the behavior that they deem acceptable what this is the behavior they deem acceptable what like mentally ill assault they so if a person behaves

violently in an insane way in a reckless way or just in a flat-out immoral way their entire philosophy and the entire philosophy of the left is the only reason that person behaved that way is because of certain systemic structures that push them in that direction and so they're not the criminal you are for not supporting left wing policy now that i i understand because that is an argument i've seen being made by people for in that camp if there's that that's what's happening um is that society failed this guy flat out he should have been either put in an institution of some sort or put in jail after his 44th crime after maybe it's stealing the seven-year-old it seemed like he wanted to

go back to jail right you know um he probably wants to get fed three times a day and if you're in jail that's what you get right so uh because i saw something that um i saw a tweet you know i don't know who said it but um you know he was saying something like uh you know i'll go back to jail or i want to go back to jail and it's like well if there was an asylum for somebody like this you know he'd be taken care of he'd be off the streets meanwhile he's homeless he's probably hungry you'd probably save money too and police resources constantly dealing with these issues like sending them to an asylum there's vancouver this is exactly why we got the problems there they shut i think it was riverside there was a massive mental asylum and they basically let

everyone loose shut it down i know uh during the reagan era a ton of mental asylums were shut down as well and it's just like boom on the streets you think the resources that were going into those asylums aren't going to into police investigations solving these issues now because yeah no oh sorry no yeah go ahead well no and this is something i touched on on the show yesterday that happened during the reagan era this was also a product of the fukoyan deinstitutionalization movement this idea on the left that mental illness is for the most part a social construct and we need to be more understanding and it's true that in many mental health facilities people were mistreated and there was a serious conversation that needed to be had there however in the 1950s there were 500 000 people committed to mental institutions

across the u.s and then by the mid 80s that falls to 100 000 is that after reagan let people out or before i i think i'm not sure at which point the vast majority of the decrease in those numbers occurred but i do know that between the 1950s and the 1980s you just have a massive um i would say decrease in the number of people in mental health facilities across the country and part of that is a result of the reclassification of what it requires to get somebody committed so it used to be you have to be proven to be unable to take care of yourself and then they changed that uh standard to you have to have been proven to be unable to take care of yourself. And then they changed that standard to, you have to have been proven to be a threat to yourself or others.

Now, often when someone proves that they're a threat to themselves or others, it's too late. Someone's already been hurt. So I don't know if the standard should be, they can't take care of themselves as it used to be. But I think the standard we have now clearly isn't working. It looks like it was 81.

The, when Reagan's ended the mental health systems act of 1980 he like right when he got an office is that true the same thing in california i think is while he signed a bill i think the land trust peterson yeah that's 1967 that he did that yeah did you know this is sorry random interesting fact there's so many reagan facts i learned while doing the infringe stuff he was one of the first people to pass one of the mass gun control bill acts as governor and yeah reagan was Reagan was certainly far from perfect. Like, everyone praises him because of the way he stood up to communism,

and I think that that was great. I think that was great. I will not take that from him. However, he was certainly not the best president America's had. He had a lot of great one-liners, though. I think that's what cements his legacy. Boomers loved him. He, like, doubled the amount of federal employees, though,

while standing against communism. Look it up. Look it up. Look it up. He was one of the biggest government presidents in history. Was that military, though? Well, can I ask you? I would imagine most of that was an increase in military positions. No, it was like pencil push, paper pushers, whatever.

There's a lot of those in the military, though. True. I've heard that he really didn't like George Bush Sr. Sorry? Does that need a corkscrew? Yeah, I was going to ask if you could open this. There's a corkscrew up there. I'm running out of alcohol. Tim, don't open it for her. She's going to put diet coke in it. Well, I saw that she opened it, but then she didn't like George Bush Sr. Does that need a corkscrew? Yeah, I was going to ask if you could open this. There's a corkscrew up there. I'm running out of alcohol.

Tim, don't open it for her. She's going to put Diet Coke in it. Well, I saw that she opened it, but then she didn't do anything. She's going to put Diet Coke in it, and it's a 25-year-old scotch. Oh, good. What did you do?

Good, good, good, good. It's a real slow process from here. All right. The cork broke in case you're listening. It's such an expensive booze, and it just breaks when i twist it slightly because people like you who don't know what they're doing are going to ruin it and so they intentionally design it it's like child proofing but for people who put diet coke in their alcohol

now what reagan uh good old ronald i heard that reagan hated george wouldn't even i hate it but really didn't like george bush senior really at all they were i think they ran against each other if i'm for i don't know probably right and then like what the deep state went to him and was like maybe I hate it, but really didn't like George Bush Sr. Really? At all. I think they ran against each other. Oh, in the primaries, probably, right? And then what, the deep state went to him and was like, you're going to have him as your VP. He made him his VP. I don't know if that's true, but I've heard that story as well. So this Reagan guy, I mean, was he one of those

guys who's going in with all the righteousness, and then as soon as he gets in, they're like, here's your talking, here's your playbook, by the way. And he's like, I don't think so. Then bang, then he's like okay i'll play ball well this is what's crazy is even when he wasn't because you know i was getting in a debate with my dad about this love you dad um and we were talking about reagan and gun control he's like oh you know he was more democrat early on he probably changed his mind and i'm like yeah you know he did a lot of good things in government but actually even when he was out of office, he wrote into, wrote to lawmakers supporting the assault weapons ban that Biden

passed saying, I support this, put this through. And that was after, yeah, 94. That was after he was out of office. All right. And this is what we have to remember. Firstly, Reagan said something. It's quite a famous quote. And this is something that many people who are considered centrist or, you know, 2010 era liberals say today. What Reagan said was, I am considered conservative just for holding to the liberal principles that I had 20 years ago, something along those lines. Reagan was not the far right conservative that the left made him out to be. It was awful.

We should understand that. Gun control, no fault divorce. Well, because look at it. I mean, everyone thinks Reagan was this far-right conservative president okay well they call tim pool far-right today so of course in the 80s when they were calling yeah when they were calling reagan far-right that didn't mean anything then either wow i want to i want to i want to jump to the story and i i i do feel kind of bad because we're talking about communism and stuff but this is important breaking news check this out vice media nears deal for

400 million dollars sale out of bankruptcy fortress investment and soros fund management come on here's the here's here's the funniest thing about this right it's the deal gives them an evaluation around 400 million a major drop from 5.7 billion here's the other thing though the valuation includes the existing debt that it has how much the debt i believe there was a 250 million dollar debt financing around a few years ago and then a 30 million i'm not exactly sure how they're how they're doing it the 250 million in debt was from soros i think that was soros a fund management as well so it may be that soros is actually just buying the company for, what would that give them, $120 million?

No, no, no, $220 million from a company that was once worth $5.7 billion. So of the $400 million they're paying out, $220 of it was debt? So Soros already has $250 million in debt with Vice. So if the deal is for $ 400 million, which includes the debt, I could be wrong about this. Maybe people in the chat could clarify, someone who knows how the economics works of it. But it sounds like Soros already holds a portion of that 400 million,

unless the deal is to buy out the rest of it. But then he holds the debt. So I think this multi-billion dollar company is being washed out for a couple hundred million. The whole clickbait apparatus is dying. People are sick of it. BuzzFeed's gone and it's only being upheld by political actors like this. But Vice wasn't that in the beginning. Vice got big because they were like, we're going to go down and we're going to hunt down

scopolamine in Colombia. Yeah, dude. We're going to find the magic shaman who's gonna do crazy like ayahuasca and then it turned into ten reasons spongebob's homophobic what happened do you remember how do you know how it changed exactly was there a lynchpin that switched or was it just a slow burn tim left i was told yeah i was it i was going i was i was there when they were doing the based so so actually vice news started because of, and that is the words of Shane Smith. He said it at the Knight Foundation Awards.

They were doing on-the-ground reporting, but there was no news division. They were doing these adventure-style documentary shows where it's about the regular guy going to Afghanistan and telling a story. And then I was like, I want to do real news reporting. What changed, simply, is from my perspective, I agree with this take, but this came from a friend of mine who is who is a high level employee. They got accused of sexual harassment and assault. company that way you can get past the negative press the concern was it like we're not going to go down and see our hundreds of millions of dollars in investment lost so just come out start doing feminist stuff and you'll be safe from these attacks and they went you got it talk about a fall from grace if they went the route i explained in my vision they would be worth still billions of dollars i told them to go the route that we are going here. Yeah, maybe they would be worth like 900 million or 1.3 billion, like a quarter of what they ended up

at what they were at one point, but they'd still be around. I don't believe any of what you guys are saying. You think I'm a liar? I think both of you. I think what happened was Tim told them, Tim saw what the future was and he said, you know what you guys should do?

You should pander to feminists and the left. The young people love it. You're going to get a lot of viewership. It's what the mainstream media is doing. Let's imitate the big guys, because you wanted to leave and start your own thing, and then you did. I went and worked for Disney.

You neutered them. You wanted a little more experience before you got out and did your own thing. And the same thing happened. You played the long con. The same thing happened with Fusion, and it was hilarious. When I went to Fusion, which is ABC News Univision, they said, we want to be nice Vice. We want to be young and edgy, but we don't want to do the weird stuff where they're like

crapping jugs and like throw it in the air or something like that. Because Vice did like weird stuff like that. And then I was like, cool. And they said, we want to do a show that's very much travel adventure, meeting like drug dealers in Venezuela and covering those stories. And I'm like, perfect,

let's make it happen. And then eight months later, they brought in a new editor-in-chief who changed his Twitter banner to down with whiteness. And then I was like, oh boy. And then I was just like,

I was like, here's what, here's my plan for this November. I'm going to go to Fukushima on the anniversary or, you know, and see where they're at with the,

like the re the redevelopment of the region. And then they were like, okay, that's cool. I guess it gets half a million views over the weekend. And then they're like, but we're still really interested in talking about trans kids, which gets like a thousand views.

They were obsessed with chasing this stuff. Sure enough, a couple of years later, they lay off everybody and they washed billions down the toilet. Did Shane leave the company at some point? No, still there so he's getting this he's not the ceo anymore and they're saying they're gonna find a role for him but like this guy's just not worth anything anymore i mean look don't get me wrong the dude's probably worth you know i don't know what this puts puts him at maybe um shane smith yeah that'll put him at maybe 80 million which

is like like come on it's not nothing he a rich guy. But to have been a billionaire, like media reporting, you're worth 2 billion or whatever. And now it's just like, you know. I don't think they're complete idiots for marketing to the woke crowd. Like I do think there is a large, I'm not on some copium

where I think the majority of the population are conservatives. I'm from Canada. So I'm like, okay, there are actually a lot of woke people out there, but it's just very hard to sell wokeness through a corporation, through these like, they can see the, even the very silly kind of brainwashed people, they're like, okay, this is clickbait. This is a corporation that makes millions of dollars telling me about how we need to support trans impoverished individuals doing ketamine like they can see the absurdity itself it's i don't know there there is there is a

craving in general for more genuine i think that's why live streaming has become more a bigger thing in general even the left-wing live streamers on twitch and stuff uh people are just getting real tired of the highly curated actual full on propaganda. It's just like the Internet is just full on MK Ultra. Yeah, man, corporations are not people. And when they say stuff like Disney says that something, no, no, Disney isn't a thing that can speak. Disney is just a facade, a piece of paper that you tear away to see who was it that said that. Yeah, like if you want to make the argument that corporations are people people then i'd love to see some of these corporations go to prison so when so true yes so when like a big pharmaceutical company for instance is accused of

fraud we don't simply go pay us a fine we say we are going to incarcerate your corporation for five years meaning it cannot operate everybody who works there you no longer work there. Come back in five years and let's see where you're at. And they go, we couldn't do that. It would be bad for the economy. Well, tell that to the guy who went to prison for five years. What's he supposed to do when he gets out? Sorry, I don't play that. If you've got a corporation and there are people breaking the law within it

and it's widespread and the whole company does it, shut it down. I'm in favor of the death penalty in that case, too. Oh, the execution of the corporation in that case too oh the execution of the corporation for the company erasure of the machine yeah i think that if you sell a company you guys should change the name that's that's i think unethical to call it something else when because a company is winning though but it's the company is the people that are in the company that is what it is it's a company of people and so if the people change then it's a different company

so yeah but i mean look i don't want the factor i just want the people change then it's a different company so yeah but i mean look i don't want the factor i just want the name callahan it's premium then have it in parentheses behind the new name at least so you see the trail of like what it used to be what disney now is but it's not disney walt disney's gone that's gonna make for very long domain names yeah and and the corporation owns a bunch of ip so a brand you're talking about branding like a rebrand if they want it's like black. They just reappear as something new every other year. I'm just saying the idea

that you could go to, say, a major pharmaceutical. Let's say there's a major pharmaceutical that was accused of fraud and then found to be liable for that fraud and were fined billions. I can't think of any pharmaceutical companies like that. I'm pretty sure it's all of them. I'm pretty sure every single one.

It's a cost of doing business. now you have these big pharmaceuticals being like okay how much money can we make off defrauding people two billion what will we find by the government one billion hot dog we're gonna make a million a billion dollars that's what they do there needs to be a more serious penalty does anyone have the schizophrenic soap bonners soap where it's got like oh yeah text on it? Oh yeah. The soap that spies on you? Why is it schizo soap? No, it's got like so much text about like religion and God and you just sit there and read it. It's the one true religion.

The Dr. Bronner's. Anyways, I think that they should do that. Disagree, disagree. I don't even know what the exact... I think it's Christian. We should talk about the true religion. I love Dr. Bronner. So anyways, my point is, they should have that on any sort of pharmaceutical company's bottle,

but it's like all of their lawsuits. No. And it's just listed all over it. And that should be their punishment. You have to list all of your failed... It's sort of like if you buy a pack of cigarettes, it has like a limp dick on it or something, right? It's kind of like that, right?

Especially for the last decade of lawsuits yeah how much money they wash off after time yeah you know what you know what i think would actually be even better than that for political campaigns at the end of a political ad in the same way that pharmaceutical ads have to list side effects they have to list every scandal that politician is involved in and like every policy failure that yeah're guilty of? Yeah, it's Christian. Every stock they're invested in. It's a bunch of Spain food and Iran Contra scandal. Yeah. Yeah, every stock, like all of it.

That was an extremely based bill of Matt Gaetz and AOC to support. Oh, yeah. It was wild. The bill against insider trading. I love seeing that. I love seeing the far left and the far right come together to own politicians. You know, I do appreciate it. You know what the bill is called?

AOC is insane and wrong. She's not wrong on this. But she's not wrong on this. Don't you dare attack my queen when she's finally correct. Your queen, your favorite is true. Behind the scenes, this is accurate. Behind the scenes, Lauren gushes about AOC nonstop. It's called the Restoring Faith in Government Act.

I like the name. Restoring my faith in AOC Act. Yeah, I think you're onto something with aoc like it's not it's not time to demonize exactly like if you really think she's lex luther has that kind of power to become lex luther we should engage in conversation now and get ahead of this and rather than just wait for some horrible populist uprising where we use the mob to dictate law and order i think we need to psychologically manipulate her by whenever she does anything like really good super red pill right wing need to just

send her like super loving messages constantly and just be like keep going queen keep going and then she'll slowly like psychologically be like oh well i'm getting a lot of support for this and just move further and further right and until i've fixed her and then everyone's gonna keep criticizing her from the right when she does something bad and then it's just going to be psychological abuse where it's going to be very brutal both ways. It's going to be insanely high praise and then really brutal criticism. What you're advocating for is hardcore manipulation right now.

This is a narcissistic cycle of abuse with AOC. It has to be like, we love you so much, but I can't believe you've failed us here. We're really disappointed, but we believe in you. Oh my gosh. Wouldn't it be awesome if political commentary was done that way? You're like, I don't know if you guys heard about this. Sorry, go ahead.

I got to give a shout out to Pinochet's Helicopter Tours who says, Tim, I caught the Tommy Boy quote everyone missed. Thank you, sir. What was it? When I said, I don't want the factory. I just want Callahan. It's a premium name. Premium name.

Yeah. Tommy Boy. Come on. Great movie. Yeah. That would be David Spade. You guys, uncultured. Uncultured. No, that's true. The premium name. Premium name. Tommy Boy. Come on. Great movie. Yeah. That would be David Spade. You guys, uncultured. Uncultured.

No, that's true. The pinnacle of culture is Tommy Boy. Was Saturday Night Live ever actually good? Yeah, 1989. I honestly wonder about that. Mike Myers, Dana Carvey. There were. That's true.

Hold on, hold on. And in the very beginning, I hear. I wasn't around for it. There were definitely talented people there, and there were some good skits. But we also have a selection bias. You always end up seeing the best stuff from that era so i wonder if overall it was actually good they developed wayne's world on snl like it was sandman adam sandler yeah rob schneider it was just an incredible incredible group man incredible and rob schneider has all those movies where he turns into random things

yeah those are classics those are classic all the movie spinoffs that came out. I think the Congressional Library has selected those for preservation. Kevin Nealon. Oh, man. Kevin Nealon's new. When he did the news, it was so dead. Norm MacDonald was in there slaying it. No, look, look.

Like I said, I will not deny that there are talented people there. And I'm not even necessarily saying they weren't ever great. I'm just saying I wonder how great they were because i wasn't watching it back then and the only footage i see from it is likely the best stuff and there wasn't much else on like now we've got 10 000 more things that we can compare late night comedy to it's also true we just did normal world shout out to dave landown quarter black garrett with the blaze i was on the new one so you're going to want to go to drugtopia on youtube and check out normal but people are saying it's like sn. I was on the new one. So you're going to want to go to Drugtopia on YouTube and check out Norward. But people are saying it's like SNL.

How it was in the 80s, late 80s. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. I think Landau's a brilliant genius, comedic genius. Yeah, yeah. He always got a laugh out of me. Me too. Yeah, he's a funny guy.

Yeah, Dave, come back. Are you me too-ing Dave Landau? That's right. You're an idiot. What happened when you were out there? Are you having trouble opening a bottle of soda? This is the second bottle you have struggled to open on this show.

I gotta go to the bathroom. Thanks for letting us know. I swear, Lauren, if you mix that... I'm mixing the Glenlivet. That's disgusting. It's like Lauren comes on the show intending to offend whiskey aficionados. She's a whiskey iconoclast. If anything gets you canceled it has

to be this i'm a trailblazer that's you know when i got five year old scotch and you just put diet coke in it i'm a trailblazer it's fine when i got banned from the uk for my uh allies gay thing they started a gay muslim pride parade like four years later that's so weird they banned me from the country then this is going to be the trend it won't i actually i think i think we're going to say at some point there's a bridge too far oh don't act like you're enjoying that don't act like that is it actually good i imagine no it's not would you like a diet coke and glenn levitt there's a diet coke i wouldn't want to be honest like i i don't the alcohol, even though I know it's bad. It's like the aspartame in the Diet Coke.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm like, no, that's not what's in that. That's horrible. The alcohol, I know it's bad, but the aspartame freaks me out. So I don't know if you guys know about this, but I've got a friend who's from India, and he tells me that with AOC, there's like a power behind the throne kind of a figure

who's from India as well. And I forget his name now. But, you know, apparently this guy, you know, he found her in like a bar, you know, because she was a bartender. And, you know, because he was looking for somebody to be like the figurehead of, you know, this, you know, new popular politician, you know, for the left, and basically developed her into what she is today and all this stuff. So I don't know if this is, you know, I've just never heard it before. He sent me an article about it, but I can't find it now. I just thought if maybe one of you guys knew about this.

I'm sure it's less nefarious than it sounds. I think she's just a bad person, you know? Yeah. But it's like, she's not like the simple solution is luther intelligent have you guys watched the boys yeah you know the aoc character she like explodes people's heads yeah is that the right one yeah yeah i i never i never saw it it's an excellent show and it is completely true to all politics yeah but they do document they do the scene at the end where homelander he's basically superman a Donald Trump, which is really hilarious.

That's a very funny concept. I know. He kills a protester, and then all of the MAGA people cheer for it, and I'm kind of like, nah. The only problem is it does have a left-wing bias, but I think it could, it just applies to politics in general, as well as the left, but it's obviously got this hyperbolic. Dude, I'm pretty sure Stormfront was intended to be Laura Loomer.

I'm not kidding. That's a dark haired girl. Stormfront is a woman who is like an actual Nazi who's immortal or something like that. And then she's pretending to not be a Nazi, but is secretly a Nazi. And I'm like, I think they're trying, they're trying to directly,

like it's a left-wing bias super like fantasy world where they're drawing correlations between reality but from a weird left-wing view like homelander is superman but he's also donald trump it's kind of a weird thing to say i just think the same plot line can apply to any like left-wing politics they just of course because it's media and hollywood they have to do it from an anti-right perspective but it's anti-right but they're also saying trump is superman yeah you know i mean they make fun of superman is inherently fascist tim have you considered that i mean white man with a lot of power sounds like fascism to me that there is there are storylines in the comic book about superman becoming a tyrant yeah exactly you know i mean he wouldn't he immediately well remember remember what was his name phoenix

jones yes real dude in seattle right walk around and like and the lifetime the left he was a real he probably still exists or maybe not considering what's going on in seattle but uh he was the real life vigilante superhero who would dress up in an outfit he had a group with him too and he had a group and then when the antifa riot started he was with the cops so they're like you're a fascist real life vigilante superhero who would dress up in an outfit. He had a group with him too. And he had a group. And then when the Antifa riot started, he was with the cops. So they were like, you're a fascist because you're helping police. Benjamin John Francis.

He's like, these people are destroying the city. Like, I don't get it. You're the bad guys. I'm like, no, you're the bad guy.

You're helping cops. And they would have, they would carry like a film crew around or dudes would be on their cameras recording. So he gained popularity. There was a Batman in Toronto as well, a few years ago, but, but, but he would just go around in batman in uh toronto as well a few years ago but but he would just go around in a batman costume and sneak up behind people and go where are they and just he wasn't fighting crime not super helpful okay like i gotta i gotta point

out like wikipedia wikipedia says he was a real life superhero but i'm like no he wasn't he was a vigilante like yes super superheroes it implies you have powers of some sort this is a guy wearing a costume who's the closest thing we've had to like a real life batman tim pool no yeah dude no that's true well you can't tell people the simping is next level today ian i mean there really isn't anybody clark kent and i tweeted at elon musk i was like why haven't you built an iron man suit yet? And he said, building Starship. And I was like, okay, that's fair. Is it though? Yeah, he's building

a ship to colonize other planets. Yeah, I just don't think that's nearly as cool. It's the wrong genre. It's sci-fi and not, you know, superhero. But okay, well, I'll give him a pass on that one. He's doing something. You know what I mean? In the realm of psychology because we don't actually have people that go out and punch dudes and drag them around,

but psychological Batman, Tim's a pretty good candidate. Hold on. I got to give a shout out to Noah Sanders, who says SNL was funny when Norm Macdonald was on it. Yes. When Norm Macdonald did that Bill Clinton, remember he was on The View,

and he was saying that Clinton's killed somebody, and they were like, stop saying that. And he was like, well, I thought this was common knowledge. I got a question. Seamus, who's your favorite superhero? Oh, that's a good question. I guess I haven't thought about it that much. I mean, in terms of favorite superhero movies, I loved the Dark Knight, you know, when that came out. He just wants to do the voice.

Bane is my favorite, too, Seamus. Yes. You think the darkness is your ally? Yeah, I think probably Batman, but that's kind of a tough one. I just like those films. I haven't given it that much thought. What about you? Oh, jeez.

I liked Gambit for a long time. He's an X-Man. Oh, man, my favorite superhero. That's wild. Nightcrawler. He's pretty cool. Oh, is he? Wait, who's the one who's Catholic? Is that nightcrawler i don't think so he's a german dude with blue skin he's like got a tail and he can teleport hold on i love that he's not catholic i'm pretty sure he's

catholic he's catholic i think so all right you know what nightcrawler's actually my favorite superhero now you know because of my identity politics the teleportation ability is really cool that's like one of my favorite superhero. What about you, Lauren? What's the blue girl who can turn into stuff? Marvel nerds seething. Mixing scotch with coke. Midnight. I don't know.

I know what you're talking about. I got bad news, guys. What? played her i got bad news guys what phoenix jones was arrested january 2020 for allegedly selling methyl i can't say this mdma how do you say it methylene methylene methylene dioxin methamphetamine yep to an undercover police officer how the mighty have fallen oh jones that's kind of wild that like you'd think when a superhero becomes bad, they'd do some supervillain thing. Could you imagine if Batman broke bad,

but instead of trying to take over Gotham, he's like, alright, I got some meth for you. No, he was selling MDMA. He was saving that police officer's mental health. Okay. It's mystique. Mystique, yes. I like her. She can change form. I don't like her. I think that would be a cool superpower that's that's my question so superpowers good superpower okay so i feel like

it's almost childish to say superman but 100 i mean he's op but i think i would take superman's power what about he's okay what about like gene gray who dat i only say gene gray because professor x can't walk she's one so it's like you'd rather have telekinesis and telepathy but have the ability to walk and fly too you know like gene gray and you know you'd want telepathy i'm asking oh yeah because professor x can control people's minds you know like superman can like superman even travels back in time sometimes it's ridiculous it's ridiculous i would want to he doesn't have the power to the flash can do it because he has speed force and all that and speed force its own thing that makes no sense, but it's speed force. Flash can also kidnap indigenous women really quickly.

Has he done that before? Yeah. What's the guy who's acting him? Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. Wait, but hold on, but hold on. What's his remiller? Hold on, hold on. Did that actor also moonwalk on the subway?

Because when people moonwalk on the subway, oh. They go back in time. I think in court they need to do a forensic analysis of that moonwalking on the subway because when people moonwalk on the subway oh they go back in time we need to I think in court they need to do a forensic analysis of that moonwalking on the subway video to make sure that's real

oh my gosh bonkers yeah can we pull that up they're brutal I don't know very funny John I'm gonna I don't even want to say it

they're hysterical who's your favorite superhero superheroes it's all Nephilim propaganda man go deeper so true tell me more so true king Nephilim like the man. Go deeper. So true. So true, King.

Nephilim like the ancient from the Bible, the ancient ones? Right, yeah, yeah. You know, it's half human and half angel or half God, right? A lot of these superheroes are like that, right? They got special powers. They're like gods to the people. And yeah, it's just Nephilim propaganda, man. So, you know, we all need to repent from that.

Do you think the Nephilim were real? I do. Yes, I think they're real today. Seamus, do you think they're real? So Nephilim is, there's this little moment in Genesis 6, I believe, where there's a mention of the Nephilim. And it's something like the children of God saw the daughters of men. But there have been so many different interpretations extrapolated

out of it. There's two main ones. Yeah. I can't make heads or tails of exactly what that verse means. Jimmy Akin did a very interesting analysis of it a little while back that I thought was super helpful. I'll never forget doing a... But one thing is I know...

Whoa. When the sons of god came in unto the daughters of men i know what that is but but so some people think that like i've heard some people say that well like regionally there was a group of people who were very powerful who they referred to with that language it's it's shameless there's two can i believe just that there are people out there with superpowers you know can you just let me have that? I won't tell you that you can't. I don't know.

Maybe some people can do things that I'm not aware of. But are they bad? Are they evil? I think so, yeah. Well, yeah, I think the general consensus is that they're bad. The Nephilim were bad? Well, that's usually how it's described. Again, I can't speak on it too much because there's just this one short verse.

It's Genesis 6. There's so many interpretations taken out of it. It's Genesis 6. There's two main views. One is that it's the line of Seth and the line of Cain. So, you know, they're all humans. It doesn't really follow logic, basically, because it's like, well, you know, I should actually read it now. But the other line or the other view is called the angel view, which is that the sons of God, which is in Hebrew the B'nai Ha'elohim, sons of God,

that term is used in the Old Testament to basically describe a direct creation by God. So Adam was a son of God, and then, you know, and later on in the Old Testament as well, the same term is used, you know, in terms of angels, right? Most human beings, so post-Adam, would be described as son of men, right? So when it says in Genesis 6, the sons of God, it's most likely it talks about angels. So they came down. And in the book of Enoch, which is not in the Bible,

it basically says that much more clearly, which is also like a really old book, right? It's a well-regarded book. It's not canon, but it's highly regarded. And in that book also, the sons of God is, you know, it's talking about angels. So they came down. Well, isn't the book of Enoch where the dude goes up to heaven or something? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I think that with, oh, I i'm sorry i want to let you continue because i think yeah yeah so that's yeah so basically it's so um yeah so they came down they they had sex with human women and they and they birthed hybrid beings uh who uh it seems like were giants it's not exactly true if they were giants but it seems like they were because later on in the scripture you read about giants as well so oh sorry this is what i wanted to comment on quickly because i was doing a nephilim yes okay okay it's about the nephilim all right because i don't want to move from this before no don't worry um i was doing a university course on city of god by saint augustine a few

years okay based right uh directed study and then we get to a part of the book where saint augustine is talking about seeing a giant skull on the beach and like giant bones and stuff and i'm like hello like class like does anyone else see this and they're just like no no that's not the point lauren moving on and i'm like what we're not gonna talk about this yeah i don't know what that means but so can i just mention something one last thing okay the myth of giants and cyclops likely came from elephant skulls yeah and they thought the trunk hole was an eye hole yeah i've heard that so i know that so for example the catholic church doesn't have an official teaching on like with the nephilim war i know a lot of people argue that they're the sons of god could translate to like demons or fallen angels that's been widely speculated but then part of the difficulty there

is that angels don't have bodies right they can't procreate the way people do. And I know that, and I just found this information. I want to address that body thing before you move on. Aren't they like big wheels or something? So there's different descriptions. There's various classes of angels. Yeah, yeah, there's different descriptions of angels. But there is one that's described as like a big wheel with wings. But I just want to finish this.

I've seen the doge meat. I found a very, this could be helpful. I found a very interesting little bit here on Catholic Answers from Tom Nash and he just wrote a pretty lengthy thing on this,

but one part I want to zone in on because he's referencing the church fathers is that he writes, the early church fathers generally understood the sons of God

to be the offspring of Seth, the righteous son of Adam, whereas daughters of men are understood to be the offspring of Cain, the immoral son of Adam, thus fallen ones could be understood as the fruit

of succumbing to the corrupt Canaanite culture, which is an interesting interpretation. I haven't looked at it myself, but I've heard that a lot of early church fathers actually believed the angel view, so I don't know when the Seth thing came into play. Like I said, the Nephilim thing has always been

interesting every time it's come up. I haven't done a deep dive into it. And part of it is there is no official Catholic stance on it. But it's part of why it's so tantalizing is because so little is written about it. It just comes up there for a moment in the Bible and then it's not talked about again later. So people are naturally going to read things into that and try to extrapolate. I think it's an important issue because why was the flood sent, right?

You know, it says explicitly because of, you know, man's violence on the earth and that sort of thing, right? All man was corrupt. But if you read a little deeper, if it's true that, you know, that these were fallen angels who came down and made it with human women, right? That's a corruption of the human genome, okay? Now, in Genesis 3, this is right after the fall, and God went to confront them in the garden after the fall. What did you do? And then he basically tells uh he tells a serpent that um i'm i'm going

to put war between you and the woman's seed the seed of the woman which is a very odd phrase because a woman doesn't have seed right that's a prophecy of jesus christ the seed of the woman virgin birth right i'm gonna i'm going to put i'm gonna put a war between you two. So right away, there's already like, if you're Satan, you know, okay, his plan is to have, is to basically bring about a human redeemer, right? So this is the incarnation of Jesus Christ in the flesh to be the offering for the sin of men. It had to be a human being, right? So what's his plan after that if you're Satan? You want to corrupt the DNA of mankind, right?

So it got so bad. It was so successful that that's why the flood was sent, to basically wipe this out because it talks about noah noah noah was uh perfect in his generations what does that mean noah was perfect in his generation well i would disagree because i don't believe that satan's interest is in corrupting human genetics it's in corrupting man's heart because that's what god wants god's not interested in our genes no d No, DNA is a very important part of redemption, I think, because... I disagree. I think that's a very ancient Jewish view of it, right? That's a very ancient Jewish

view of it because they were the chosen people. The term kinsman redeemer. The term kinsman redeemer. Kinsman redeemer. Why that word kinsman? It means, you know, when you talk of somebody's kin, you talk of somebody's relative, right? And we're part of the human family, made in the image of God. There are other beings out there, like angels and different classes of angels. They do not qualify for the work of the cross, right? Wait, repeat that? Wait, who doesn't qualify for the work of the cross?

Whoa, like the Jimmy Simmons and stuff? But angels, for sure. I'm just like, that's but angels angels are not human beings though right so i'm saying there aren't specific kinds of human beings of whom we could say they don't have the right genetic combination in order to be saved and the devil is not trying to alter but also there's other elements here that are there are other elements here that are important well no angels don't have dna because they're not they're not physical beings uh and also there are ancient i mean and also there are ancient

i mean there are there are ancient jewish commentaries that offer up reasons for why the flood happened one of which being that it's because men were entering into contracts with other men i don't think it's the main reason but i think it's part of it well like like quote-unquote sodom and gomorrah sodom and gomorrah who came down to who came down to visit Lot and tell him are you talking about the angels? you're talking about okay yeah sure sure

when the men of Sodom and Gomorrah saw them they wanted to rape them yeah okay but they're men but they're also angels well but that doesn't mean they literally have physical form

it means they're appearing in such a way so that they can communicate with the human beings in that area. Probably hyper-dimensionality. They can probably materialize. Might have light, like flying machines with light on them. Maybe one way to explain it would be like, imagine if on this table there's little tiny houses and stuff,

and we are looking down at these little tiny people, and then you put your hand down and walk with your hand like it's a person. Like it's not really a person. That's a good rough analogy. Two angels went to visit Abraham as well, right? And Sarah. Yeah, but I don't think that angels... They ate food, right? So they had physical bodies.

There are interesting descriptions, and I don't disagree with you, but that does matter. Now let's do the hand puppet thing where it's like we're looking down on these little creatures, and we stick our hand in there and pick food. Oh, yeah, like shining a spotlight on the ground and moving it around, if you're in a hot air balloon with a spotlight. Yeah, so I think... Well, because also eating...

Are you talking about hyperdimensionality? Is that what you're kind of getting at? Yeah, there's another point. Like they're in a separate dimension, and they're only putting the tip of their finger in to interact with us. So this leads into... Well, can I just make... I'll wait. Yeah, I just want to respond to your point so eating uh just in a very human sense and also in terms of how it's often expressed biblically it's a way of

relating to other people right people sit down and they eat with one another so i think that angels either creating some kind of illusion of a physical form where they're eating communicates a kind of community or agreement with that person and it doesn't necessarily say we have dna right and i agree because i've seen cookie monster eat but he's not really eating he's just flapping the mouth and the cookies go flying all around right exactly but like i don't think it looked like that no but but you know my point like no i gotta give you a cookie monster doesn't have dna dogs it's a dude in a costume with the hands dna right yeah yeah have DNA, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm just imagining the angels like. Jesus Christ, he became flesh, but what kind of flesh did he become?

Yeah, God became man. But man, not dog, not angel, say they have DNA. He did not become angel because there were angels who sinned, right? Yeah, fallen angels, yeah. In 2 Peter, I think he says that as well, those who did not keep their first estate. So these are angels who came down and committed sin. So there are angels who have sinned.

They have no chance of redemption. I agree with that, that angels do have redemption. Like Loki and Bartleby in Dogma. They have no chance because Jesus Christ became a man and he died for the sins of man so if you're an angel who has sinned you're out of luck right you cannot be redeemed what about in dogma remember you ever seen the movie dogma i've not seen it no so loki and bartleby are fallen angels and then there's a centennial at a church and they say that all those who walk through the gates during the centennial will have their sins forgiven.

And then Bartleby's like, this is how we get into heaven. And Loki's like, what? Someone's church doesn't mean we can. And he was like, what you hold true on earth, I will hold true in heaven. We will be forgiven and we can go home. And that's the premise of the movie. Well, it's a gospel of that movie, I guess. But it's interesting to think that a non-human could be redeemed by a human God.

Maybe that's true. Well, because God, in the incarnation, he stooped down to our level in a sense. I've heard it expressed that way. But God is, obviously, he's outside of space, he's outside of time. Through the incarnation, God did become man. But my understanding and part of the Catholic understanding of what's different between human and angels and part of why that redemption doesn't apply is firstly of course god behaves in mysterious ways we can't always explain or understand why he would choose for his redemption to be efficacious not for the angels but one

explanation i've heard that i think is pretty uh compelling is because angels have the capability of acting with will in a way that's not as pronounced in human beings because we're less intelligent than they are. So because of their superior intellect, they're more capable. And because they don't have physical bodies and aren't in time the exact same way we are, their choice is permanent whenever they make one. So it's not just that they can't be forgiven, it's that they can't repent. So God does not expect much of us. Well, they can't repent. Well, God, I think there's an

argument to be made that he respects less of us than he, or expects less of us in a certain sense because of our corporeal form and limitations than he would expect of angels, because we are different beings and angels have a far superior intellect. We were made in the image of God, and angels were not. We were very special. We're made in God's image and likeness. Yeah. Like we're made in God's image. That's a big deal. No disagreement there. And the angels, they don't have that distinction. Yeah, that's an interesting point. So maybe Adam did have superior intellect.

Before the fall. Before the fall. You're arguing. That's interesting. I'd have to consider that. I've never heard that. I'd have to think about that and read about that. That's an interesting point. And he also knew what he was doing, by the way. He was not deceived, right? It was Eva was deceived, by the way. I just want to throw that out there as well. Yeah, it does describe Eva as being deceived. I agree that knowing the right answer

and choosing to do wrong is much more sinful than not knowing and doing the wrong thing. Well, there's increased levels of culpability based on your level of knowledge and ability. Sure. So, you know, based on what you're saying there too, so with Adam, he knew exactly what he was doing when, you know, he basically...

So he loved his wife so much that when she ate of the fruit and fell into sin, that he did not want to lose her. This is what I think. I actually agree with this. He did not want to lose her. This is what I think. I actually agree with this. He did not want to lose her, and so he also willingly partook of the fruit and willingly disobeyed to be with his wife because he loved her so much. That's a reflection of Jesus Christ and the church. Women.

Because he willingly died as well so he could be with his church, the bride of Christ. Can I comment on that? Because I agree with part of that and disagree with the other part of it. It's definitely been a part of ancient commentary, and there's a theological basis for saying one of the reasons Adam did choose to eat of the fruit was because he did not want to be separated from his wife. However, I know that the church and myself don't understand that to mean that that was a good thing and that that was an act of love because by committing that whereas christ's death

for us was an act of love and was a good thing but there's more to it than that and i've mentioned this on the show before too uh adam sinned in the sense also that he saw his wife talking to a snake and didn't intervene and there's a reason the serpent went for eve there's a reason serving the serpent went for eve because the man is supposed to engage in discourse for the household. And so part of the result of that is that women tend in their fallen nature, because all humans have a fallen nature, towards usurpation and trying to take roles that are meant for men. And men fail in the sense that we abdicate our responsibility and don't do what's necessary to protect women. It's also possible because I think when God told Adam, you can't eat from this fruit.

That was before Eve was made, I think, right? I think he told both of them. So, yeah, I'm not clear on that. So that's just what I'm thinking. Do you think that Adam did the right thing by joining his wife in the tripping balls or whatever the hell they were doing? That's tough.

I mean, it's tough. It's tough to say because, I mean, on the face of it, no, it was the wrong thing. He simped, right? He literally. He disobeyed God. But again, you know, it's like, you know, the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. So God knew this would happen at the same time. So it's like, it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah, I'm not sure.

Like, it was part of the plan or not. The metaphor is... Also when the serpent comes to Eve, he says, is it not true that you can't eat of any of the trees?

And she said, well, no, we can't eat from that tree. So she did know. She did know. But also I find that... But was she told by Adam or was she told...

I believe she's told. I'd have to double check on that. I guess I... Anyway, it's not a big... Yeah, yeah. It's just interesting. I love how before we started the podcast...

I think, well, because also she was not fallen though, right? She was not not fallen so she would have been in greater contact with god than people are now regardless now yeah yeah you were literally like this is gonna become a bible study see this is the metaphor i can think of is like if my wife was smoking weed and i'm like man when you get high i can't get through to you like this so maybe i'll smoke weed with you like that's like adam maybe eating the fruit to be with this woman. Maybe he was just a big old simp, you know? Well, that is, but that is, well, this is one of the things in, in, uh, different theologians have described this differently, but basically Adam and Eve, they committed

different sins. Father Ripper talks about this. And I believe the way he broke it down was, I think Adam committing seven sins and Eve committing five. And I can't remember exactly how he explained them. But one of the sins of Adam was basically what we would colloquially refer to as being a simp. He chose the woman over God. And in doing so,

he wasn't actually choosing what was good for her, right? Because you can't choose the best thing for another person unless you're choosing what God wants you to choose. Oh man, that's tough. I think there's something sinful in itself of going back in time and being like, all women are responsible or all men are responsible for this.

Everyone's trying to abdicate their own responsibility for original sin and sin in general. You had a great tweet the other day that was like, stop purity testing others and start purity testing yourself. Amen. Why? Yeah, exactly. Why not remove the beam from your own eye? Shami, so are you saying that rose before hoes is codified in the Bible?

That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is obey God, love the Lord your God with all your heart. Oh, that's a bit different. He broke the bros before hoes rule. That's tough because like- That's why we're in this mess now. You could ask what's more important, you know, adhering to God's will or being with your wife?

Well, but actually- Well, God's will is for you to be with your wife, but not for Adam. God is like, I gave you all... Like, imagine, you know, you hook up a guy and his wife with a place to live and food. They're in need, and you're like, I got you this place.

You can crash at my place. There's beers in the fridge. There's pizzas. Just don't eat my apples, dude. Like, I really... There's psilocybin in there. No, no, it's just they're mine. You can have anything from the fridge. You don't got to worry about rent. Just please don't eat my apples, dude. Like, I really, I just don't want them. No, no, it's just, they're mine. You can have anything

from the fridge. You don't gotta worry about rent. Just please don't eat my apples. And then Eve's like, I'm gonna eat one. And then he's like, okay, I guess. Like, that's a dick move.

You know what I mean? Yeah, well, also, I mean, God told them not to do this. One thing that's fascinating, I know that, and I'm blanking on his name, but there's an old Orthodox theologian

who said that God may have allowed them to eat from that tree later, but didn't think that they were ready. I don't know if that's the official position of the church. I just find that to be an interesting commentary from an Orthodox theologian. I'm just like, simply put, if someone is letting you stay at their place and it's like everything's taken care of. Well, God told them not to, so of course they shouldn't do it. God told them not to. And what did the devil say?

You will become like gods if you do it. He told them the same lie that people tell themselves and that he tells people today. You will become your own god. You will become like god. The snake is like the neighbor who comes over and is like, eat the apple, who cares? Screw this guy.

And she's like, all right. So many people treat it like a cruelty, like he was trying to prevent them from some sort of knowledge. But I almost see it the way we treat children. Like, I don't want you to have to struggle with the same things I've struggled with. I want you to remain in your magic for as long as possible as a child. I want to protect that world that you're in. And God telling them, like, don't eat of this. It's almost like, I know those apples have a poison in them that's going to begin to corrupt your mind, and I don't want that for you. Yeah. Dosage. You know, don't eat

three hits of acid is basically what he's telling them.'t slow and she's like you know what i'm gonna eat that because i think the fruit is uh the psilocybin mushroom or the amanita muscaria they talk about the tree of life and the tree of uh knowledge of good and evil i think is what the two different trees were the mushrooms that grew that had the chemicals that basically gave these animals consciousness and uh she overdosed she took a huge dose of it. And then Adam's like, what? And she's like, Adam, we are. And he's like, what?

And then he's like, all right, I'll join. Because he loved her so much. He's like, I want to understand what you understand. And God's like, this is going to change everything. Do not, don't go down that path. I'll explain it from Ian's perspective. So the aliens came to Earth and were doing genetic experiments. And they created these little human monkey dudes. And then they were just like you no eat mushroom no no and then he leaves and then one dude comes in he's like you should totally do it and then the

female's like all right eats it and the male's like oh and then eats it and they're like what just happened dude i'm naked except why here's here's what in the blast and this is part of why i disagree uh one of the reasons I would disagree with that kind of interpretation is because it suggests that man was lower than he is now before he committed the original sin. And now he's risen to a higher level of consciousness.

Whereas I believe it's the exact opposite. Original sin brought us down. Let me ask you, like, what was the apple? It's been debated. I mean, it actually isn't even called an apple. It's called a a fruit but we refer to it as an apple and some people uh in other cultures actually find that kind of funny like wait you like specifically call it now i mean that makes it sound less metaphorical it doesn't really matter but you know um some people think it was a fig some people think it was a uh what's it called a kins or something like the five

it could literally refer to like a product when fruit meaning like the five it could literally refer to like product when fruit meaning like the the after the product of a labor or something you know what i mean it's probably you know it may have been just you know not not really anything it's just um it was a test right will you obey or really or oh it could have literally just been like a like a little fruit that didn't matter at all and what's funny though is once once they took of that fruit you disobey? Oh, it could have literally just been like a little fruit that didn't matter at all. And what's funny, though, is once they took of that fruit and disobeyed and committed sin, you know, God then banished them out of Eden and then put a flaming – he put an angel with a flaming sword to basically block them from getting to the tree of life, right? Which is interesting because it's like, why did he not do that with the first tree, right? So it was a test. And once they disobeyed and fell into sin, if they then took of that life tree,

that may have like, you know know like sealed their fate forever i've actually heard that i'm not yeah i think god wanted them to uh take the fruit i don't think he wanted them to but i think he really would right i do i think humans have free will right yeah yeah and then we are supposed to be virtuous people and then if we are and we are faithful, we're rewarded in heaven. Because if they did not take of the fruit, they would have been, you know, like in this sort of childlike state forever. Well, but we call this the happy fault.

We call this the happy fault as well. There's no opportunity to prove you're a good, moral, virtuous person unless you enter this space. I don't know if that's true. Well, because they could have proven that they were good and virtuous simply by not eating it

because they would have obeyed God, but there is precedent in catholic tradition there's precedent in the catholic tradition for referring to the happy fault right so obviously i mean this original sin every horrible thing that has ever happened in the world happened because of this sin we can't underestimate that right every genocide every act of rape or child sexual exploitation everything every horrible thing that ever happened happened because of this original sin. I mean, the severity can't be understated. It's a tragedy. So it's the fault of women.

But it's the fault of all of us. Or it's the fault of Adam and Eve. But there's an additional element here, which is that all being true, was able to show us this this uh beautiful love and god was able to show us this beautiful love as a result of that original sin being committed and that's why it is sometimes referred to as a happy fault so when we very it's it's a it's a very interesting thing we hear a lot of stories about jesus and the the travels the things he did but but that's like watching a TV show. You only get the highlights, right?

The Bible even says that. We couldn't write down everything. There are many other things. There are shows where it's just like you watch an episode, then it's like three months later and something happens. And there's stuff that happens in between. What was like the daily life of Jesus? Yeah, I think he went to India and learned Reiki.

I think they would have mentioned that though no i don't know i'm not i'm saying like for for you seamus who you are faithful and a believer what is written what is known about like a regular day i think that there so in terms of christ's daily life in part you can just sort of look to historic context how people lived in that part of the world i think there's there's good indication that he woke up early um there's there's moments in scripture he's we um oh man i'm trying to i'm trying to remember the exact passage and i can go fishing up in a little bit but well yeah i mean so the apostles were were fishermen and we actually get uh the the idea that they weren't very good at it either because they're they're

not really catching fish and then christ helps them too. So you just look at daily life in that region and probably something like that. I mean, he was telling people that he was the son of God and the response was, well, is this not Joseph the carpenter's son? And so it's clear that it was a more ordinary life in some sense. I think the most incredible things that we do in our life are done in the most quote-unquote insignificant moments to what we would perceive as significant or interesting. It's the day-to-day little conversations you have. It's the boring in-betweens. And yes, they highlighted the interesting stuff in the Bible, but I think it's like when life slows down and you have meaningful conversations with people that have

nothing to do with media, tweets, none none of that those are the real meaningful moments and also by the way i just found it it's in uh mark chapter one where it mentions jesus getting up early before the sunrise or going out to pray i just started getting up early it's life-changing getting that sun it's crazy no it's it's true they're getting up earlier and this is something i've always struggled with especially someone running a business and then having this crazy upload schedule and having a bunch of random stuff thrown at me that i don't expect like it has been hard to get a good consistent sleep schedule but whenever i'm able to get up in the morning i always have just a far better day it's clearly what man is meant to do i saw a meme video of this girl she's like i know i'm gonna sound horrible i really hate to tell you

this all but waking up at 5 a.m going to the gym eating a healthy smoothie it actually does make you happier i know i sound awful i know i'm disgusting but it is better i did it for about one month and it was life-changing and then i just i fell back into sin yeah but you know i know i know exactly what you mean but then you remember you go that was so good for me and it's fascinating right because we live in a culture where you're never able to suggest that someone's miserable because of their own choices if i'm miserable it's either because society has done something wrong to me or because my own existence is fundamentally corrupt there's just something wrong with with my body and do you think that there's nothing i can do to get past it but no it's all of the things that everyone gets uh lambasted for saying will help your mental health

will help your mental health with of the exception of of course severely mentally ill people all caveats aside hey man maybe even them you know yeah some early sunlight that you know what's weird though why do you think sad music is so popular like there's something i people like like feeling emotion because it makes you feel yes people like interesting like that that smoking until 3 a.., listening to sad music that's emotional. People actually get addicted to that feeling. And the problem is when you can feel it in a vacuum as like a moment in time that's processing an important emotion, it's a good thing. But when there's people that get addicted to that constantly and all they listen to is the depressing music, all they do is enter that world. I've noticed this with algorithms on the computer. If I have an algorithm that is constantly politics

talking about the end of the world or gendered, I've deliberately gone out and I've followed a bunch of feminist accounts to balance out all of the woman hatred on my timeline. I want man hatred so that I can look at it all and see the absurdity of both sides together and be like, wow, this is, like I see this happening on both sides.

Clearly it's somewhere in the middle. You guys are delusional, blaming each other. of both sides together and be like wow this is like i see this happening on both sides clearly it's somewhere in the middle you guys are delusional blaming each other you have your environment your friends the people you talk to they 100 impact you and people who think they can keep a sane sober mind in an environment that is completely dripping totally with a bias they're delusional you you are probably in that cult right now and you don't know it. I got notified of some drama just now from a couple hours ago. I'm going to address it. So there's a viral edit of Jazz Jennings' life and talking about the things that have happened. And I responded to it with, where is Rhonda Sandis?

This is all happening in Florida, question. And we know that a lot of it what's going on with jazz jennings as a trans child uh did not happen in florida but they do live in south florida now and i've even expressed i believe they've talked about their fears about what's going on in florida and i got a response from christina pushaw and from jeremy uh redfern and these are both this is jeremy is the deputy press secretary for desantis and christina is the um uh personal uh she's still the press secretary i believe and so uh she said what did you say i regret to inform you that jazz is 22 and the governor doesn't have a time machine

i'm not sure which state this particular happened in but uh if it was in florida jazz was a minor before desantis was governor and i i just kind of feel like they're either completely ignorant over what we've talked about in the show and what's being addressed. Jeremy said, but how is it supposed to get outrage clicks? Pretty sure that there are videos showing that Jazz is not willing to take a medical device and place it into a wound to separate it and has been severely depressed. And the mother is saying it's your fault. And the mother is threatening to wring the neck of Jazz Jennings. So if that's if they're currently living in South Florida, and when I say like, what's

going on? Where is the administration? And your response is he doesn't have a time machine. Y'all can go fuck yourselves because that's a pathetic response. Very pathetic. There you go. My heart just goes right out to Jazz Jennings. They're in South Florida.

The child that Jazz is 22 and an adult, but that doesn't change the fact that if somebody is being, if the mother goes on TV and says, if Jazz lets the wound close, I will wring her neck. It's kind of like, do you do nothing? Is there not even a statement to be made?

Like we're concerned about this? Just nothing? Just you don't have a time machine? Okay, great. I'm real confident in your administration. Well, there's so many factors there. There's the one, like family, that's so much pressure, trying to appease your family, make sure they're happy. They're the people you're going to be closest with your entire life. And then two, once it's already done,

once the surgery is already done, Jazz Jennings has no choice right now but to double down, double down, double down, triple down. And I don't know if there's any help at that point. Like you said, you're right. It is a bit of a dismissive statement oh we don't have a time machine but man what a just horrific kerfuffle no one can get out of my heart totally goes out to jack it's just like it's mind-boggling to me that you could do someone to that you could do that someone not end up in prison it's just like literally the most pathetic response and it and and like what what little strength I saw in the in the dissent administration is gone because we had the issue with Trump's extradition. And Ron DeSantis, his response was, I'm not going to get involved. And I'm like, bro,

just say no. Like, you've got to do anything other than be like, you're not extraditing him. He can choose to go, but I'm not going to I'm not going to, you know, be like, I'm not going to let you do it. And I was like, OK, but it's fine, because I think Ron's still like a really great governor and he still does speak out he's doing a really really good job but like i think this the reason they're really mad i think the reason is press people are like he doesn't have a time machine is because they're they're impotent in the issue they they will not go up against a tlc channel celebrity trans kid despite the fact the mother is on tv saying if you don't do this i will do it like that's a threat of assault to insert a medical device into us into someone who's an adult

who is saying no to it and their response is doesn't have a time machine you know what man that is just so fucking pathetic like the the moment the show comes out there should be a the defense administration should be like we're putting putting our AG or our criminal investigative division because they're going to have footage from that show. And it looks like that's probable cause of a threat of force against an individual, you know, who's clear, like, I'll put it this way. Jazz Jennings not doing the dilation indicates jazz does not want to write as an adult. The mother then says, I've woken her up and said,

if you don't stick this in you, I will. And then later said, if she leaves and it closes, I will wring her neck. At that point, should you be like, I think we should have a criminal investigation of potential abuse. It sounds like coercive control,

which is a type of inter-family violence. But it's kind of like taking a medication that if, because if she doesn't dilate it, it'll seal up and she could die from infection. So it's kind of like, a medication that if, because if she doesn't dilate it, it'll seal up and she could die from infection. So it's, yeah, that's, it's kind of like,

I will make you stay alive. So it's not really a threat of violence, although it is a kind of a, it is. What was already done was, is obscenely violent, but just like, like you destroyed this,

this, this person's body. If, if an adult is taking a choice in, in and of themselves and an individual then says, like, if an adult comes to another adult and says, if you do not do this thing, I will do it. I will insert this into your body. Like, I think at the very least right there, it warrants an inquiry of some sort. But more importantly, when she says to the camera, if it closes, I will wring her neck.

That combined with the other one implies there are threats of violence against jazz to do this and the the the disdainless administration could simply be like a woman on television threatened said she will choke her child who is an adult if she does not insert a medical device into was like it like a flippant statement from your mom? Like, oh, I'll wring her neck. Was it like that? Or was it more like, I will literally wring her neck? No, it was not an imminent threat of violence.

She said, if Jazz goes to college and that thing seals up, I will wring her neck. But was that like a... I can understand that being interpreted both ways. It is the combination of the two soundbites that I believe warrants at the very least... I'm not i'm not defending the parents don't get me wrong but i'm just wondering how to say something that if you

say on tuesday at 4 p.m i'm going to ring the person's neck that becomes an imminent threat of violence but i'm talking about the combination of these two statements the one i wake jazz up in the middle of the night and say if you don't do this i will you argue well it's a medical thing that's creepy but then you add to it her saying, I will wring your neck. Yes, we understand threatening to wring someone's neck may be a figure of speech, like I will be very angry with you. But she already said she wakes Jazz up and says, if you don't do this thing, I will do it to you.

Combine those two things. And now I think a reasonable, here's what I think. I think the descendants administration is terrified to actually take a strong cultural stance on what appears to be severe, severe abuse stemming over a very long period of time. But now this family lives in their jurisdiction and is currently engaged in questionable behaviors that I believe are abuse. Maybe they're not fine. I'm saying that the bare minimum, there could be a inquiry, but they won't do it because they're scared. The left will go nuts. DeSantis will have no way to deal with the press. I think this shows me and what my concern is with the

DeSantis presidency is that he will compromise, negotiate, to the press he won't come out and just be like that's horrible donald trump's the kind of guy that if he saw that clip on tucker he would immediately go out onto a stage and be like what is this thing with this woman did you see this she's saying she's gonna stick the oh my god trump would just come out and start saying it a lot of this i think hinges on jazz and what jazz wants because if jazz goes to the authorities and is like she won't leave me alone she's forcing me then i think there will be an inquiry but you know when when somebody is you know being manipulated like that their whole life it's it's it's hard for that to happen right like that's why i'm like she's probably under some you know how psychological control or something how about the what happens

right now is the dissenters administration sends a letter to the production company saying it's in order to preserve video and evidence then just says we are going to issue a subpoena as part of an investigation and we're going to look at this footage and see what's there and then start looking at the behind the scenes clips of what what may be abuse and that's the that's a that's a that's an inquiry that maybe stops and says we think it's bad but we don't think it goes that far instead it's like he doesn't have a time machine that's not an answer dude like this stuff still going on the show is on the air this person is depressed morbidly obese didn't go to college talks about severe mental health issues and you have videos of the mother saying very very awful

things i think they're like if there's one thing government would do it's like if there's a reason for law enforcement to exist it is to prevent that from happening to a child but she's not a child but i know but no i understand that they aren't anymore but i'm saying the fact that that was able to happen in the first place but but the age the age of majority in instances of familial abuse you you don't stop being protected by the law because you're an adult now a coercive relationship where you're being like if it was an adult woman an adult man and the man said to the woman something about sticking something inside her and then later said he'd ring her neck he'd be arrested in two seconds

she would have to be the one that came to the police and presented that no well for a medical scenario imagine the scenario a video emerges of a man saying i wake my wife up in the middle of the night i say if you don't stick this thing i will do it and then later says like if she goes out and she doesn't i'm gonna wring her neck because doesn't she it would go to the house presses charges no are you sure if if so the state is the one that presses charges not the individual but i don't want big daddy government being like my point you said said a bad word. We're going to get you. No, I'm talking about a guy saying he's holding, he's waking up a woman in the middle of the night

and saying he's going to stick something in her. Yeah, like a needle, like in a medical treatment. Like some intravenous diabetes thing. And then later says, if she doesn't, I'm going to ring her now. If she doesn't take her insulin, I'm going to. That would result in the cops knocking on the door and saying, ma'am, we'd like to have a word with you.

Dude, I have seen guys get arrested for so much less. There's a video of a woman hitting herself with a hammer, and then her husband gets arrested. Like, it is remarkably easy for a woman to call the cops and say, my husband threatened me. They show up in two seconds. But she's the one who made the report. Neighbors can call and say, I'm hearing a fight next door,

and the man's screaming, and they will take the guy out of the house and say, go somewhere else for the night. We have a video. We have decades of footage. We have all of these public statements from Jazz that are questionable. And then the mother saying these things on TV and the Santa's administration is like,

well, we don't have a time machine. So count us out. Best thing I think we can do is have compassion for Jazz, be here for Jazz and let Jazz make the decision. Anyone who has transitioned as a child, I have infinite sympathy for. Yeah.

Infinite. Because there's no way, like someone in that psychological state, you can, and you can never expect them to come out and say what was done to me was wrong because the amount of weight and like the pillars of salt and sand they're going to have to undo for their entire vision of the world and their future. You know, that's accepting my future is over, who i am is over my my chance of having the family that i wanted all these things is over that is like such an overwhelming ask of someone all you can do is is give them sympathy at this point in their life and maybe you know they can

work through that eventually but holy like they have been so set up for failure it's not even funny i agree a little bit it's such an unbelievably uh difficult and strenuous uphill battle for that person to be able to like ever be capable of seeing the truth about what was done to them the nature of of who they are the fact that you know their their identity was taken from them rather than affirmed the fact that they will never be able to have things that the rest of us just take for granted that we can have i mean it is it's barbaric you'll have different things though jazz you'll have a different life than a lot of people but it'll still be pretty cool yeah you can yeah there's no need to despair in there exactly well and i think it's important like when

we discuss these things we want to speak very clearly about how absolutely horrible this is to deter people from doing this, to speak truth, to make clear what's happened, while also allowing people who have had this horror inflicted upon them to know that they need not despair. They can still have a good, a very beautiful and wonderful and important part of life has been taken from you. But that does not mean your life doesn't have meaning. And that does not mean you can't have a good life. Something beautiful was stolen from you. But that does not mean that you need to despair and that there will not be good things in your life.

Yeah, there could be hundreds of millions of kids that feel out of their body right now, Jazz, that you're speaking to. That you could guide through life and help them reduce pain. I mean, that's just ease the pain and suffering of young people and adults even that are going through it. You're in a position of power and really importance right now. The response I'm getting from the DeSantis people is just like false arguments, sophistry, and deflection.

Jazz is an adult and DeSantis has banned gender surgeries so that people won't grow up with the same pain and regret. I said, it's happening now. Did you even watch the video? Are people allowed to force medical devices into adults against their will in Florida? Apparently, the answer is yes. Apparently, the answer is right now, if you're in Florida, and you have an adult child, and you say,

if you don't stick this in you, I'll do it, and then later saying publicly, I will wring their neck if they don't, that's you i'll do it and then later saying publicly i will wring their neck if they don't that's totally fine not questionable in any way so okay florida i don't know so if the mom if the mom was to be charged who who would bring the charges that would be the state the state always bring the charges and that's the prosecutor right yeah people people make the mistake of thinking that an individual pressing charges is the one bringing the charges. They're not. So, in fact, there's many circumstances where a person, let's say you're like walking down the street and a guy comes up to you and shoves you and a cop watches it.

You can say, officer, I don't want to press charges. Typically, the cop will say, okay. But for two reasons. One, it's easier just to say fine. And two, without a complaining witness, there's almost no case. However, if the cop watches it happen, he can say, buddy, I don't need you. I witnessed it. I'm taking the report, sir. You're under arrest. And the Miran dicing is only part of an investigation. So I love these videos of leftists being like, I have not been read my rights. They're not cops. Don't have to read you your rights if they know you committed the crime. But if so, if can you go and retroactively enforce a law that was passed after the actual.

No, and you shouldn't be able to. But I'm not talking about that. See, what they're doing right now is they're conflating that jazz went through these surgeries. Therefore, I'm insisting they use a law retroactively. I'm literally talking about a video that came out of them in Florida and the mother saying, if you don't do this, I will. And if you don't, I'll wring your neck. I can tell you, dude, if there's a video of jazz being like, no, stop, stop. And the mom coming at her and putting something inside her body, then she'll have to knock on the door for the authorities. So my point is, if I hear fighting next door and I call the police and say, I hear a man and woman fighting, they will show up and at

least knock on the door and say, can we speak to you alone? I did that once. And the cops will separate the man and woman and say, what's going on here? We have a video of the mother saying, if you don't do, I have woken jets up in the middle of the night. And I have said, I've taken the dilator and lubricated and said, if you don't stick this in your vagina. And then she goes on.

I'm not going to repeat what she said. And I'm like that right there should want a knock on the door. And their response is, well, we don't have a time machine. You know what, man? Sure. Let's go to Super Chats and we'll see what y'all have to say. Can I throw a social hand grenade in quickly? Yeah, please.

So you have kind of the right wing side. This is actually a stone toss meme. I think they talk a lot about how we need to make it illegal for child sex transitions and genital mutilation. Do you guys think that genital mutilation against men as children in the form of circumcision should be legal? I think no, I think I don't think so. I don't think I don't think that those two things are equivalent, but I don't think it should be legal. No, I happened to me and I never really suffered. So I don't really care.

So the issue is, I think it results in like removing 70% or whatever of nerve endings. So I think. No complaints, I can say. Also, plenty of nerve endings. That could be copium though, because you wouldn't know. Good point. And also no one. So, well, there's a couple different important points to make about this.

So again, while I do not believe that circumcision is at all equivalent to what they're doing to children now with these like quote unquote transitions, I still am very against it. I don't think it should be legal. And also the kinds of medical circumcisions that are done today, from what I understand, are very different from the ones that were done in the Bible too. Now, again, the circumcisions that the New Testament makes clear are not required. We're supposed to have a circumcision of the heart. But even so, people will start talking about, like, Jewish communities.

Even then, that's not the kind of circumcision where you remove all of it, from what I understand. Those were, like, done by necessity. The way it's done now is very different. Yeah, yeah. Back then, it would be like if you get infected, so they would have to clean it. We got to go to Super Chats. If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button? Subscribe to this channel.

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Tiffany Garrison says, Hi, Tim. I checked and your crochet Roberto Jr. arrived today. My teens and I loved making him for you. Trying to get these teens off their phones. If you want more for the store, let us know. We will check it out. We'll go pick it up. Amos Moses says,

look into the story about two guys facing life in prison for engraving a schematic of an NFA item on a metal business card. The ATF even had difficulty using the schematic to create a full auto rifle with a couple of failed attempts okay so i i think of an uh we say engraving a schematic of an nfa items yeah okay uh yes it's a metal card with a drawing on it and if you cut it out

it makes a component that can be used in a weapon and they they've criminally charged these guys it's crazy fluffer boy says ian i love you you're a beautiful human i love your name fluffer boy all right we'll grab some more super chats let's scroll down and see what we got bo rye cho says yo that show was lit last night yeah well right shout out to lance thanks for coming down man 12 hour journey bro of course now the response from the left is that lance was an like was was not the right person for the debate. Yeah, I don't think we won't really debate. I don't know.

I didn't expect a debate. It was cool to talk about vastly different ideas. There's always a debate because what happens every time a lefty comes on the show is before the show starts, they say something that's just absolutely untrue. And then there's nothing that can be done. I can't just sit here and be like, oh, okay, that's fine. The funny thing is we're talking like, dude, if we were talking about the banking industry, we would have just been agreeing all night. So the issue is like, hey, there's a video showing people in Canada being dragged out of their homes during COVID lockdowns. No, that never happened. I'm like, there's videos of it. It's like, I can't just

say like, you're right. It never happened. Even though I've seen the videos, like they just say things that aren't true. And then I'm like, okay, well, there are videos. I'll pull them up. And then the other issue is when it comes to studies, it's all selective. So one of the big contentious moments was there are two peer-reviewed studies about desistance being 61 to 98%. And he says, I reject those because a meta-analysis of 51 studies says otherwise, but like a meta-analysis is not a peer-reviewed study. It did not go through science. It is the opinion of researchers who read other opinions. There were 55 studies analyzed.

52 or three of them had some result. No one can lie like someone who can talk about numbers. You look at all the studies that came out that were highlighted in the New York Times, Atlantic, everything, talking about how illegal immigrants commit less crime. And then sure enough, you have an analysis done of those studies.

And they don't usually register illegal immigrants as such until they're in prison. And then they get their status. So when you're using the data based off just arrest, it's like, duh, you're not going to be getting any. I'm no longer persuaded by studies. I know, I know. It's probably bullshit. You have to look at the methodology of

the study i'm not going to read all that oh yeah how many people were studied effective but what are the most effective ways to use studies when you work in politics no is to know your opponent's studies so you can know exactly why they're nonsense yeah well if someone wants to do all that research all power to them i'm the same way let's read some more i don't get into polls anymore. All right. Coldy Locks Production says, just correcting you from two days ago, Iron Dome has been tested against both Scud, Mach 5 and 6 ballistic missiles, and low-alt subsonic cruise missiles and has been successful.

The rockets fired by Hamas are smaller than drones. It can stop, what does it say? It says it can drone swarms. So it stopped drone swarms, I believe. Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, Batman has no no superpowers but he's a superhero yes he actually does it's called peak human it's act that that's the phrase for uh in comic books when a person has seemingly absurd powers that they say aren't powers so for instance batman can teleport when he's talking to he's in a bank vault with one exit, and then the guy turns around, and then he turns around, Batman's gone.

And it's like, he has no, okay, come on. Is that like Daredevil? It's called being rich. He bank transferred the guy who was guarding the bank, and he's like sick. It'll be like, he'll be in a room, and the guy will be talking, and then turn around and look at something. When he turns back, Batman's gone. That's not possible in the real world.

Is Daredevil peak human? It's movie magic. Daredevil actually has superpowers. It's gone. That's not possible in the real world. Is Daredevil peak human? It's movie magic. Daredevil actually has superpowers. It's a lazy film. He's like a bat. What's Daredevil's power? He got splashed in the face with a chemical that took away his eyes but amplified his senses beyond human. Okay, hypersensitivity.

Hypersenses, and so he can see like sonar in 360 degrees. That's awesome. Did they make a Moon Knight movie? They made a show, and they just ruined Moon Knight. I used to read that one when I was younger, but I never watched the show. But that was like, it was like Marvel's Batman, right? Yeah. And now it's actually just an Egyptian superhero who's like got mummy powers.

Mummy powers. Yeah. So like Moon Knight was just a rich guy in a suit who was kind of like Batman, but a little crazier. And then Moon Knight, the show is about a guy who is crazy, but has the ability to summon the power of the Egyptian gods. And then, you know, whatever. It was okay show, I guess.

Hecubus says, what about kids in the hall? Come on, Lauren. Canada. Kids in the hall was legit. What's kids in the hall? Oh, it's like a sketch comedy show. Come on, Dave. What's Dave's last name? Is this a canadian thing am i like yes oh oh lettuce that guy with a lettuce head that was

there's a there's a funny skit where these two guys are like looking at their neighbor's gazebo and so they lift it up and steal it and then and she comes out and there's like a hole in her yard where the gazebo was and she sees them in the yard partying so she calls the cops and then the cops are like where did you get this gazebo and they're like we bought it from our friend and like where it's like they go to an abandoned house and they like throw a rock at the window and this crazy guy looks out and the cops like excuse me sir did you sell these boys a gazebo he's like no no and they're like you may not remember us the gazebo it's like you sell these boys anything and then he's like the gazebo and then i think it's um dave foley dave foley he's he's like i did sell these boys a gazebo

and then you know it's a funny skit you gotta see like i've lost my canadian card old school funny yeah i did see a horde of moose the other day so really a whole horde actually a whole horde there were like 10 wow and then i was like so fascinated with them i didn't take a picture so clearly i'm lying if you don't. Nothing exists if you didn't film it. I love horses. Jeffrey Rook says, well, if she's doing meth, CPS should get involved because she's trying to kill the chat.

But I mean, meth is illegal. Guy last night was pretty smart, but always defaulted to default narrative. Have $50 for YouTube clipping that delicious moment. I couldn't believe that he actually said that. That's not what I expected him to say said what that you oh so seamus said a woman can do whatever she wants to the baby if it's inside oh yeah he said no but it's her body so she can choose and i said what about meth and then he said well child protective services could get involved and i said you know why and he was like because then she's just trying to

intentionally kill the child and i was like wait a minute what like i don't understand what you're saying she she's a you think she's allowed to terminate the life of the baby and with the doctor but she can't do anything that would intentionally terminate the life of the baby makes no sense it's like its own special trolley question. Like, if you pull the lever, then it'll die via meth or it'll die via- It wasn't a trick question. It wasn't a trick question. I thought his response was going to be something like, oh, come on, like meth isn't a medically necessary procedure about making the decision of whether or not you're going to have a child.

It is an abusive drug that causes damage to your body and won't even necessarily kill the child. It could just cause serious injury and harm to both you and the child there's a big difference i thought that he was gonna say something like that because it was not a trick question i was like trying to see where he would draw the lines morally instead he just outright said you can't intentionally kill the child and i'm like wait what see this is why you should just have a show where you like quickly run across the table and dress up in a different costume and debate yourself as a leftist it's like playing chess i guess i i can argue their position positions better than them cult well wraith says tim i have been looking

into the nephilim for years please have on dear and sharon gilbert to cover this topic for you they are not seth i Derek Gilbert i know Derek he's a good guy they are not uh sethites and there are threads that run all through the bible i So one recommendation I can make, too, and I've shouted them out on the show before, but I think Jimmy Akin would be a very interesting guest for any religious discussion, especially about these matters. He has a podcast called Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World, where he goes into a bunch of weird conspiracy theories and stuff, but from a Catholic perspective.

A Catholic convert. Chris Plasek in the regular chat said Tim's wrong about Moon Knight. It's always been about the Egyptian gods, but you can never tell if it's real or he's crazy. Oh, like American Psycho. Never saw it. That's Christian Bale?

You can't tell in the entire movie if he's having a hallucination or if he's actually done all these things. You can't tell if his actions are good or bad. That's true. Let's read this. Trevor Lynch says the Nephilim are spoken about and alluded to all over the Bible.

That's what the conquests of Joshua was about. Clearing the refrain giant Nephilim clans from the land. Also one Peter and Jude is referenced. I wonder if they were the Denisovans. You know that other hominid? Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so, but yeah, that's interesting. Like an ancient hominid that wasn't a Homo sapien?

Yeah, I think Hancock talks about the, whatever you say. Denisovans? They were like Himalayan. They were like up in North Asia. I love that conversation people have about like why the uncanny valley exists like why humans are afraid of things that look like them but aren't quite them and it's like well clearly we evolved to have this uh reaction because there was something on earth that was our mortal or physical enemy neanderthals looked like us but wasn't quite us lauren i have another

explanation goosebumps what if it's because we as humans are more than pure machinations and even if you get something that's identical to us in terms of appearance we know there's no soul i hope so because ai is coming ai yeah yeah i'm racist against robots for sure stay human yeah stay human my biopic right yeah i think andrew g says solving last night proportional response debate in every jurisdiction in usa a threat of deadly force is treated the same as actual deadly force yes just gotta adhere to the uh eyewitnesses rusta says i can answer this now god granted us free will because without free will we cannot truly love god created us for love and without the possibility to reject god's love it would not have been true love amen you know it's kind of cliche but love really is the main theme of scripture really so

love it transcends everything the greeks have it broken down to eight different types yeah there are different types erotic love there's familial love love yeah love of friendship you know jn says the reason for the tree of knowledge of good and evil is since adam and eve were created in a perfect world and in order to exercise free choice you need at least one option that is opposite from everything else which was good also that same tree was a was a form of the law i think that's an interpretation well that's similar to what i think you guys were saying i think that give it everything's perfect but you're given the option to do the opposite otherwise you're not really good if there's no chance to not be good you're basically a robot at that point in the garden of evil they said god was there if it was actually a dude that was

speaking as god and then like over time as the people die and other people are born they become the god of the time and they're like now i am god and as the people die and other people are born, they become the god of the time. And they're like, now I am God. And as the story is written, it's always about God. But it happens to be whoever that human was at that time. It's kind of like the Matrix, number six. This is one thing that disturbs me about the garden story. I've been reading C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory lately.

And at the beginning, he talks about the idea that a lot of sin and a lot of, you know, the depths of humanity that people get to, they usually are pursuing them because they're trying to fill something in themselves. They've got this intimation of deprival, and they're just exercising it in the wrong ways. They really want to find that wholeness. They want to be loved. So they go to, they do a bunch of drugs, orgies, this, that, because they're trying to fill a hole in themselves. And then I wonder what, and that makes sense to me. We've all got this longing longing for something outside of ourselves but what hole in themselves were the people in the garden trying to fill like what was the uh they that's an interesting question it's a very interesting question i mean how does he temper you will be like god um there's an argument to me like there was nothing because there was an original sin there wasn't necessarily like a hole to fill but

they still chose to do wrong. God knew dudes with flaming swords and maybe they wanted one of those. I think, I also think that part of that too, is with this idea of the angel with the flaming sword, not being able to return. It's we'll never have paradise on earth, right?

That's just not possible for us. I guess until the eschaton when God recreates the world, but none of our ideologies, none of our attempts to create heaven on earth are ever going to be successful. We have left the garden. We got some trouble. Deuce Bigelow says, Tim, did you see Christina Pichot and Jeremy Redfern take you to task over your unreasonable

standards for DeSantis? You should have those two on to address them. You know what? Nope. I'm going to totally concede the argument outright. I surrender. If you're on camera saying that you have to wake up someone to threaten to stick a medical device into a neo vagina and that if they don't do it, you'll wring their neck in Florida. That is OK. And if there's nothing they can do about it, I accept that's Florida's current standard and that there is no action that will be taken. If there's one thing I really end of story, if there's one thing i really hate about this whole like it's trump versus desantis thing it's like you know you you you have this issue

and you know there's a real soul that you know that um you know that is now suffering in in the story but they don't care it's about how does this you know uh is this pro desantis or is this pro trump and you know how does it benefit my guy like it's just this brainless civil war almost and it's just it's so boring too like it's just I don't know

I don't like how that is going right now I do not care about Trump versus DeSantis at all I don't care I actually have both terms muted

on my timeline right now on Twitter Trump DeSantis I just don't want to see it but yeah it's about jazz it's about what is right to be done for them. Well, no, no, no. I'll say it. If in the state of Florida, there is no action that they can take if a person's on camera saying they wake a person up in the middle of the night and say,

if you don't stick this in you, I will do it. And that if they don't do it, you'll wring their neck. If that is not a standard by which law enforcement can take any action, well, that's unfortunate, I guess. We should reach out to Christina.ina i was gonna say that'd be fire episode could you have they've already they've they've i'm pretty sure i think we've both invited both of them many times um and i don't know good publicity for all let's do it that would be good i think yeah well if you really think it's a non-realistic standard give them a platform to say why yeah i would love for them to come and explain why it is that desantis cannot take any in action in that regard when this person is saying this, because I'm not talking about the surgery that happened, you know, five years ago out of state. I'm talking about the

video right now showing that this stuff currently happens in South Florida. I think you've got evidence that Jazz is severely depressed. You've got reason to believe that this is the cause of it. The mother on camera saying you are your own worst enemy. It's your fault. I'm like, these are all very clear signs of abuse, which like I think in any other circumstance, they would have law enforcement on here. Let me read this one. This is from Matthew Ruth says the man can be bleeding from the wife attacking him and the police will take him. Right. There's a, there's a viral video where they have a guy and a woman walked down the street and the man screams the woman and is pushing her and everyone runs up and shoves him and say you back off then they inverted it and have the woman

literally striking the man and everyone laughs at him yeah it's a real thing yeah all right we'll read some more robert betchman says i'm going to japan next week for my first work installation as an electrical engineer please pray for me or at least wish me luck ps great job last night well good luck thank you very much i got you where we at lunderware says you should make a high caffeine light roast and call it focus with bocus that's a really good idea. And we got people very smart watching this show. Yeah, okay. And KM says, Hey Tim, really enjoyed the Culture War episode today. It was really funny. That was me, Seamus, and

Lauren. And here we are again. That was fun. Yeah, it was a fun episode. Go watch it. YouTube.com slash Timcast. That's right. Went up today. And it's more of just like a loose conversation about a whole bunch of different stuff. Very fun. Nathan C says, the irony is Tim is mad at DeSantis over jazz, but DeSantis is the only

governor in office fighting back against transgenderism with real policy. So I didn't come out and say Ron DeSantis is a bad guy for not doing it. I didn't come out and say, I hate Ron DeSantis. I said, where is Ron DeSantis? This stuff is happening in florida and instead of being like hey tim glad you're concerned here's all the things that ron desantis is doing we'll take these into consideration and and we'll talk about it they came out like well it's too bad we don't have a time machine and then i started having all of these protest

people started like crapping all over him like dude i don't think you guys have standards you know it's a purity test and you failed it oh i don't care though like you know the irony is that i'm mad at desantis when did i say i was mad at desantis i am criticizing the response from his pr team who turned this into something that it probably should not have been they probably should have responded with ron desantis is doing these things to stop this stuff from happening and that's all that would have happened all i think i think all i literally treated was where is ronda santis right where is ronda santis this is all happening in florida because they currently live in south florida i think the issue is it's a sore spot because they're not taking action and it makes

them look bad to be you know but you know like i said look okay i can see if that's the kind of stuff that is allowed in florida then that's what this currently allowed in florida is a very tough decision socially right now that's a big part of why i want to personally i don't know the conversation i don't think so i think like like i mentioned if you hear a man and woman yelling and call the police the police will show up in two seconds without the woman saying anything and sometimes the cops will even tell the woman it doesn't matter. We're taking the husband out because we are concerned. Like there are many instances where the woman will answer the door and say, everything's

fine. Please leave. And the cops will say no. You know, so like. I don't know if that's entirely the case. Probably depends on where you live. Absolutely. In the United States, women will answer the door and the cops are like, can we have you

come out and speak in private? She'll say no. And they will still say, ma'am, you have to come outside because often when women are being battered, they tell the cops to leave. So often the cops will say we are not going to leave until we do an interview because there is a probable cause for crime. I guess I listen to a lot of true crime and like the main gripe with the true crime YouTubers is they always say like, oh, the police were called to the residence like eight times and they just walked away and never went in and even did a checkup. And that's like always the gripe in all of these

like murder. And of course that happens too. And that's why it's a story about a murder, right? Yeah. So this, the reason why sometimes cops will not take no for an answer, they'll say, we have received an emergency call giving us probable cause to enter the home. Ma'am, step out of the house. And then they'll check her for injury or whatever. Often they'll just say, okay, we're sorry to bother you. Have a nice day. Sometimes they'll say to the guy, we're concerned something's going on. Why don't you leave and come back later?

Sometimes it's really bad and they just arrest the guy because the neighbor made the accusation and they're like, better to have him spend the night in jail. They're not, these are- I guess I'm from Canada where it's like, oh, the person's on their ninth probation and they just like assaulted someone again and their cops won't come that could be where we're going but i mean like they actually have a low credit score if you don't have a criminal record yeah so here's what i think is it unreasonable of me to say that following those clips a state police officer would knock on the door and say can i speak with you in private? Is that unreasonable? The issue is, I don't think it is,

but the issue is if that were to happen, the entire national media would go after Ron DeSantis as it appears he's preparing for a presidential run and he doesn't want the heat. I think if Jazz wanted it, it would be completely reasonable for other people to want it for them. They're both adults.

So I'm like- People who are being abused by their husband, like women being abused by their husbands, stay with them often. Right? It does happen. It does.

And what are you going to do? Sometimes the cops will be like, I'm sorry. Catch him in the act. You got to catch him in the act. And there are many circumstances in many jurisdictions where the cops are like,

there's nothing we can do because the woman is not speaking up and speaking out about this guy. And then, like you said, the ninth time and then the murder happens. Like was a case um oh it was such a sad one there was asian university student i can't remember his name i wish i could but his dad had like threatened to kill his mom like a billion times a lot of people in the chat probably remember this

and then eventually his dad had like made the explicit i'm going to kill your mom like this week and he went home and killed his dad before he could and he eventually he actually the jury let him go the first time and then they were able to get him on a legal weapon possession charges later and send him to jail for like the rest of his life or whatever but it was like there were so many explicit threats the police have been called a million times and they did nothing i'm gonna read this one from josh berg we'll do uh we'll do one more the craziest thing lance said was when he tried to shame you about another person's sensations then at the end he said i want more freedom more people and more orgasms to which i said that was

weird so the left does this thing where well i'll say this about lance he had a lot of canned responses and like that's why i asked him like same thing with matt bender matt bender says you think trans people don't exist i said what does that mean lance said you're in favor of forced birth i'm like define that what does that mean i don't know what you're saying because these are just like i i heard someone say it i'm repeating it and so in in this circumstance the left has this repetitious tactic of why are you talking about someone else's junk that's weird and i'm just like bro you're not gonna shame me i'm having a conversation about fact things and human development well it's right you're like you're not gonna appeal to my shame like to shame because like to quote rick your booze mean nothing i've seen what makes you cheer that was there's a

little bit of shame gone in both directions when you were like there is a trans genocide and you're the one that's causing it but you guys got past it it was a little moment where it was like you kind of got weird but there's there's no shame for me because these people hold no esteem in my mind like people people who are in favor of uh of like performing these things on children i am not going to go oh no do they think lowly of me oh geez the groomers think poorly of me i'm like i don't care these people are evil i've seen what makes them cheer yeah so when he's like isn't that weird you think that i'm like bro you are the guys doing the sex shows and then wanting kids to be present well this is you're not you're not shaming me this is right out of rules for radicals though accuse your opponent of what you're doing so they've

implemented an entire systemic legislative and medical structure that allows for you to mutilate children's genitalia. And then when people say, oh my gosh, they're mutilating children's genitalia, they go, why are you talking about that? That's so weird that you'd focus on that. Well, it's almost like you've used the full force of all of corporate America and the United States government and many state governments to push for the

mutilation of children. And so now people need to talk about it. And to represent Lance a little bit, he did say he didn't like sexual stuff with kids. He was specifying drag with kids, which isn't always sexual. It's a nuanced conversation. He said burlesque is always sexual, but drag isn't when drag is literally burlesque. Burlesque for gay men. No, you could do non-sexual. I men you could do non-sexual i think you

can do non-sexual drag personally listen ian there are burlesque shows where a portion of it is not overtly sexual a woman will come out in a dress and dance on stage then at some point in the show she may take off her outer layers it becomes burlesque and so what his point was which is incorrect is that because a portion of drag shows don't involve overt, you know, exposure that therefore sometimes it's not, it's like, well, not all burlesque is either. But furthermore, drag is often over-sexualized features. A male will come out, he'll have fake breasts and fake hips to sexualize the performance. Otherwise he would not need to have those prosthetics to simulate secondary sexual characteristics yeah yeah but i so i'm

i'm positive that lance is not into sexualizing kids that was not what he came here to talk about he didn't intimate that right so the so the issue is the moral standard from where all of us are regardless of whether you're conservative traditional liberal is drag is a sexualized thing certain elements of it are not well sure but like going to a sex shop, some things they sell there are unrelated to sex. They might sell like a vitamin pack for energy. And you can say like, well, that's not all sex related. It's like, well, but the reason they're giving you the energy pills is because it's a sex shop. You know what I mean? So you're doing the drag show. It is themed or it is centered around sexuality. LGBTQ stuff is literally a community that has an identity based on sexual characteristics.

Introducing that to children is grooming because the purpose of grooming is to introduce the lightest form of something to a child so that you can open the door and then coax them in. So the purpose of these, the drag story, our drag pedagogy article that James Lindsay often often references says get the glitter in the carpet that can never be removed what they're trying to do is say take the basest the base element of the sex show which is the drag performer themselves and have them do something seemingly innocuous so that parents won't understand what we're doing but the person they then write exactly what they're doing to get glitter in the carpet that can never be removed and that way the child then says oh drag performances are good and then they go to one and then what do they see the sexualized performance yeah you can make the argument that it could become a slippery slope but i would think that would become on purpose if i went in and read stories to kids in my bathing

suit that would be more sexual than if i was in a dress well no because the thing about drag is that's their fetish costume and they're wearing their fetish costume in front of kids that's look it's open the drag is sexualized it's it may not be erotic right but it's it's sexualized because like as a man you know i i don't wear a dress because i'm a man right like it's on the basis of sex it's not it's not erotic it's like it's i'll put it this way let me put it this way i mean like it's it's not erotic. I'll put it this way. Let me put it this way. You know what I mean? It's not porn, though. The scientific definition of sexuality. Ian, Ian. A guy walks into a bank armed and with a ski mask on.

Did he commit a crime? I think so. Why? You're not allowed to wear ski masks in winter? Especially during COVID. Armed with a gun walking into a bank with a mask? We're in a constitutional carry state in West Virginia. You're allowed to carry a gun.

I don't know. And you can wear ski masks in winter ian why are you trying to criminalize an innocent guy who's just cold and and defending himself and if it was during covid you probably had to wear a mask too oh yeah you know i mean now now maybe you can make an argument you want to arrest an innocent man is he brandishing the weapon i didn't say that no of course not it's concealed then i don't know people should be allowed to go so so you get the point even though it's legal to wear a mask dude i think even though it's legal to bear a society the mask thing is grooming society let's stay on points and i change the subject my point

is this we recognize that wearing masks legal for the most part a ski mask in winter ski mask exists because you're cold and you want to be able to talk and look and you're allowed to have guns in a constitutional carry state and we can't assume you're a criminal simply for having these things. But I'll tell you what. If you walk into a bank wearing a ski mask with a gun, don't be surprised if the security guard comes up and says, sir, I'm going to need you to step outside, take the mask off, leave the gun in your car. You people are concerned about what your intent intention may be.

And then he goes, oh, you're accusing me of being a burglar. That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. There's nothing inherently criminal or bank robbery about wearing a ski mask and bringing a gun into a bank you're going to be like dude don't try me right so when a drag queen with drag being a burlesque performance goes up to children and you say hey we're kind of concerned about what you're introducing these kids to and they say oh oh now you're no if it's burlesque you can do non-burlesque drag. That's contentious.

No. You are right in the same sense that you can walk into a bank with a ski mask and a gun and you're not intending to rob the place. But no one is going to accept that because we get it. Drag is a sexualized performance.

It's just wearing a dress. So drag literally is gay burlesque. No, burlesque is sexualized drag. And you're wrong. Dude, look up the definitions. Let's get over this. You can wear a dress and not be sexual. But that's not what drag is.

Drag is men wearing sexualized costumes. And they even remove their clothes on stage for money. That would be strippingpping that's what drag is drag is wearing clothing of the other sex so when that's it when that when 11 year old boy whose name i'm not going to say yeah that guy was went on but they call that drag they called it child drag came stripping you you start off as drag then it becomes burlesque you're trying you're doing what lance does and creating a false definition to defend the practice of grooming dude you eddie izzard would wear drag on stage when he performed he wasn't doing burlesque

did did he have lipstick on yeah he would do the whole and what's the purpose of lipstick i don't know to simulate ovulation did you know you think when a woman comes in here she's sexualizing children you think a woman is thank god i didn't wear lipstick today yeah exactly you think a woman wearing lipstick is trying to sexualize kids? There are degrees to which we accept certain things. Women at Hooters expose their cleavage and children are allowed in there. But we do say like, okay, if a kid goes in there, we're not going to scream and cry about it. I don't think they should be there. But right.

Some people say, eh, because there's lines in society. Yeah, I wasn't allowed to go. Lipstick emerged, we believe, because when women are ovulating, their lips and cheeks are bright red so women begin to simulate these things right so when you have a man put on lipstick wear a dress shake his hips and wear fake breasts that oh the fake breasts i agree and that's what drag is well no you just wear i could just wear a dress that'd be drag okay i'm not talking about you're this i think we're defining it i think we're defining it differently too here because all i mean i would still take issue with that, but Drag Queen Story Hour,

it's never just a dude throwing a dress on. I would still be against that, but there's a lot more to it. Like Tim's mentioning, there's the fake breasts, there's an additional level of makeup. Or the person who wore the prosthetic breasts and genitals. Yeah, that stuff's all sexual. But they call that Drag Story Hour.

They might be misrepresenting drag, yeah yeah the clear response here is to bring this individual chocolate and tell them to go home and lay down because they're clearly ovulating we got to wrap things up we've gone late so if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends become a member at timcast.com you can follow the show at timcast IRL or you can follow me personally at timcast Lauren do you want to shout anything out infringed damn gonna come out like next week or the week after at least within the next few weeks you got to watch it gonna be on Tim cast I'll call maybe Tuesday Tuesday probably that sounds like a lit day to watch infringed right on at Lauren underscore Southern

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