Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #784 Epstein Conspiracy CONFIRMED, Report Confirms Bill Gates WAS Blackmailed w/Dan Bongino

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

Tim, Ian, Phil, & Serge join Dan Bongino to discuss new evidence showing Jeffery Epstein tried to blackmail Bill Gates, a leaked policy revealing Fox News pushes woke ideology, Trump's 2024 presidential plan, Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. OK, this morning, you know, I wake up. Of course, we had the news and I decide I'm going to do a segment about the Epstein conspiracy being confirmed. Yeah, because the Wall Street Journal reported that Bill Bill Gates was being blackmailed by Epstein to try and get money out of him, which is but a keyhole into the whole Epstein conspiracy, but basically confirms what we all believed is likely true. Epstein was blackmailing powerful individuals and trying to control them through threatening to leak information on their, let's just call it adult private affairs. Now, the Wall Street Journal says it appears to be this way, but then outright say their sources say the intention of this communication was to blackmail Bill Gates. I'll take it. It may be just a single grain of sand that in the evidentiary file of Epstein was doing this. But now we know, at least in this one instance, he was.

I think it's fair to say, in all likelihood, this is how he was doing everything he was doing. The question then becomes, is he the mastermind or is he the messenger? So we're going to talk about that. Boy, we got a lot of stuff to talk about. Trump's 2025 agenda has a lot of people really excited. But before we get into all that, my friends, head over to castbrew.com. Yo, check it out. I got a bag of Appalachian Nights right here.

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right on the mark at the end of the show. So we did a pre-show with him, which will be available right when we wrap this up. We'll upload it so you can watch that uncensored show. We talked about a lot of really cool stuff. So smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends if you really do like it and think we make a difference. And as I already mentioned, joining us tonight, it is an honor and a privilege. We have Dan Bongino.

Man, don't miss that pre-show. Although I have to apologize. Yeah, it was. It was good, but there were quite a few F-bombs, so I'm really sorry to the parents with kids at was good but there were quite a few f-bombs so i'm really sorry to the parents with kids at home but that was a lot of fun that was good got the energy going man you got me like flying right into this here yeah it was great we talked about war elections uh but we wanted to save some of the best stuff for going live so i think most people know who you are but uh do you want to just provide a simple introduction?

Yeah, so I was a cop and then I was a secret service agent for a little while. I'm going to sum this up in like 10. And then I got tired of all those things. I said, I want to go do something. I tried to get a medical school, didn't work, ran for office, almost won, but didn't win horseshoes and hand grenades, did a hit on Fox, wound up with a radio show and a podcast and then just flew up to meet the great Tim Poole today. There we go. Appreciate it. There's nothing I hate more than long intros.

You ever go to give a speech and they have this, here's Tim Poole, and they're reading for like 20 minutes. I'm like, dude, wrap it up. Wrap it up. I send them one sentence. Here to speak is Dan Bargino. He's a really nice guy and he's got something to say. Thank you. So there you go. Perfect. This is summing up how you doing

everyone i am uh phil labonte the lead singer from the heavy metal band all that remains anti-communist and counter-revolutionary and i'm here with my friend again crossland welcome back baby thanks for having me how long was it was it two weeks yeah i think so man and i'll be here for a couple days and then i'm gonna going to be out for a few more. I'm going to go take a little short rest and go see Tool on this coming week. I'm very excited. I like that band. Are they still performing?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. They got some. We play Tool a lot. They're a Maynard. Some of their stuff is epic. That one song just blows me away every time. Sober?

No, no, no. Schism. No, no, no no damn it see the thing is with a band like Tool they have so many great songs to start

listen to you're just gonna miss dude H is so hot man my roommate in college would get drunk and punch the walls to those guys

and then he had four kids he was like getting ready to become a father and you could just see it him going through it

right on welcome back Ian thanks Tim thanks for having me and that Appalachian Nights is delicious 46 and 2 and ready to become a father and you could just see it, him going through it. Right on. Welcome back, Ian. Thanks, Tim. Thanks for having me. And that Appalachian Nights is delicious, by the way. 46 and 2. Such a good song.

Oh, dude. Epic. Yes, yes. That song, man, that blows me away I would like to cover that sometime. That's a really hot song. Now, I know it's not Tool,

but A Perfect Circle, Judith, I think is one of the greatest songs ever written. Yes. The lyrics, the story, the guitar on that, it's just, man, May ever written yes the the the lyrics the story the guitar on that it's just man maynard legend i i love tunes i'm a big big music guy i was into country and stuff but tool blows it up you know who was like an underrated band too am i fucking your show up

already man no go like we had all this stuff to talk about we'll get to Epstein there folks but system of a down man so like those guys man they tore it up toxicity

I was just listening to that a couple days ago man that beat it's like that bass and that drum it's so badass I wish I could sing man but I can't

I just went to the Morgan Wallen concert the last one before his voice got all busted up I was so wrecked I had like five white claws it was the only like i don't drink white claw but it was the only alcoholic beverage where there

was no line and they wouldn't let you go in with like five or six at a time so i had to keep going out so i was drinking he's like tall boy white claws man totally obliterated complete blast and like people are coming up to me like and it's loud i can't hear anything because i'm half deaf anyway from my time in the secret service with that thing jamming my ear and people are like hey bro your show we love you i'm like i'm just listening to tunes man but i whatever you're saying i really appreciate it i had a total blast man music's my thing right on we got search hanging out too yeah i am hanging out wearing my hat that said Epstein didn't Epstein himself just for the occasion. So, yeah, let's get started.

I want to talk about this. Here we go. So this is a story. This is nuts. This is it. From the Wall Street Journal. Take a look at this picture. We got Epstein and Bill Gates right there.

Jeffrey Epstein appeared to threaten Bill Gates over Microsoft co-founder's affair with Russian bridge player. It is the lightest, smallest grain of sand, effectively confirming, I believe confirming the conspiracy theory that Epstein was blackmailing powerful individuals, but they outright say it in here. They say in 2017, Epstein emailed Gates and asked him to be reimbursed for the cost of a coding course for this young woman, according to people familiar with the matter. Now, the issue here is why would Epstein contact Bill Gates about a young woman he had an affair with in secret, except to say, I know you had the affair.

I want the money. I know you had the affair. They even go on to say the intention was to blackmail Bill Gates in this. So let me just read this. A Jeffrey Epstein discovered that Bill Gates had an affair with a Russian bridge player and later appeared to use his knowledge to threaten one of the world's richest men, according to people familiar

with the matter. The Microsoft co-founder met the woman around 2010 when she was in her 20s. Epstein met her in 2013 and later paid for her to attend software coding school. The email came after the convicted sex offender had struggled and failed to persuade Gates to participate in a multi-billion dollar charitable fund that Epstein tried to establish with JPMorgan Chase. And that whole story right there sounds like more blackmail.

He went to JPMorgan and said, I want to get a bunch of the richest people in the world to invest $100 million into this fund, and then I get paid millions out of it. They say the implication behind the message, according to people who viewed it, was that Epstein could reveal the affair if Gates didn't keep up an association between the two men. Now, is this why Bill Gates divorced his wife? Yes.

You think so? Absolutely. I think that when you're dealing with people that are that wealthy and in the positions that the people were in, the people that went to Epstein's Island, the positions that they held, these people are not motivated by money.

You know, a couple million here, a couple million there, Bill Gates isn't going to notice. But if you threaten to tell his wife that he's been, you know, porking some kid, that'll go ahead and get some compliance and obedience out of him. And that's what it's,

I think that that's the reason why Epstein's dead and i think that's the reason why the list never came out the people that have been to epstein island because they're all probably scummy people that have a lot that had a lot of dirt or the epstein had a lot of dirt on them and that's what kept them you know in line i think that there are there are very powerful people that have a lot of dirt on them and that's what kept them you know in line i think that there are there are very powerful people that have a lot of dirt on people with a lot of money i couldn't help but notice in that i think it was a pbs interview with bill gates you see that one where it's like well he's dead so you know i always say but but here's the thing when he goes he says she says did you was did you learn a lesson here and he goes well he well, he's dead now. So, you know, you always got to be careful.

And he's like holding back a smile. And I'm like, it's kind of weird in later context to hear that Bill Gates was being blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein. And you go back to this interview where he said, he was asked if he learned a lesson. And seemingly for no reason, it says he's dead. And so you got to be careful as if to actually imply

if you screw with me you know what happens how did this email come out with this data it's a wall street wall street general reporting so someone leaked it to the okay someone they they they it sounds like they actually talked to people uh who know bill gates and even got a quote for from a spokeswoman for bill gates oh they say mr gates met with epstein solely for philanthropic purposes. Having failed repeatedly to draw Mr. Gates beyond these matters, Epstein tried unsuccessfully to leverage

a past relationship to threaten Mr. Gates. A spokeswoman for Gates confirming Epstein was blackmailing him. So, this is a bohemian grove, man. The Epstein thing, I got a lot to talk. This Epstein thing really kind of, it kind of like, it's like a tick burrowing under my skin. I get a call.

Let's go. Yeah, this is going to get hairy. You guys ready? Yes. No more school. This is like live YouTube. You ready for this? I don't know if you guys are ready.

I get a call, I don't know, about four years ago. It's from, let's say, a friend. Prior line of work thing, right? Guy says, listen. And this guy who calls me is an unimpeachable source this guy's not like some ham and egg or tomato can guy throwing out some theory about a ufo he saw 72 years ago whatever this is like a legit no-nonsense guy guy you trust with your you know wife kid and car right he says you know i i got sent on a temporary

assignment once and on that assignment i got sent out with on the wcd detail william clinton uh william clinton detail and uh i knew this guy well and he says dan i i gotta share this with someone he's like i want a plane and bill you know clinton gets on the plane with this guy and it turns out later the guy's epstein now this guy i'm talking to this source he don't know who Jeffrey Epstein is. He's just getting on the plane doing the thing, the whole protection gig, right? He says, I get on the plane, and there are these girls who are obviously not of age who are on this plane. They're clearly young.

These are not women. These are girls. And he says, Iinton like disappear into the back with he goes i don't know what happened i'm not saying what happened because all i know is he disappeared and these girls were back there or whatever and he said they land at the next stop wherever it was and he goes up to the boss on the detail and he says i i ain't getting back on this plane because he's remember he's a temp he's not so he's not used to like whatever clinton And he goes up to the boss on the detail and he says, I ain't getting back on this plane. Because remember, he's a temp.

So he's not used to whatever Clinton was up to with the whole shenanigans thing. And this guy's clear as the driven snowman. He don't want to mess around with this. He says, whatever just happened back there, I don't want any piece of it. You know what they sent him home? They sent that guy home. And he's never tempted that detail again now remember all those blackberries on that detail here's here's where the story gets super weird the guy tells me

what is it months or a couple weeks later when you lose property in the secret service an email goes out i'll say like hey i lost this phone and it goes it gets logged into ncic or whatever it is and everybody knows so basically if you find this guy's gun got verbatim his phone it's now effectively stolen property right all of a sudden all the blackberries on that detail for the agent starts showing up like oh this guy lost his blackberry holy shit wow that's so crazy how that happened i'm like no he says yes he says it was the craziest thing like oh look agent joey bag of donuts missing blackberry missing blackberry this is around the whole time like the clinton thing's going on so fast forward this story right

he tells me that about a year and a half after that i'm in a green room at fox and i'm not going to say who because they didn't give me permission to share it. But the short story, but not who they are, says, you know, Epstein's an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East, right? I'm like, no, I didn't know that. I'm like, you sure of that? The person, let's say, is like, I'm absolutely sure of that. That he's either a witting or unwitting asset, intelligence asset, meaning his plane and that island, the cameras. There's a big assumption out there that these videotapes were exclusively in the custody of Epstein.

That's a huge mistake. The reason they wanted this story to go away is because there's an assumption like, oh yeah, Epstein had him. No, he wasn't the only one who had him, according to this source. These assets, that's why this blackmail story makes so much sense. Which Middle Eastern countries they are, I don't know. But this person, who is a very, very good reporter, I mean, aces, right, swore Epstein was either a witting or unwitting intelligence asset.

And they may have had his plane wired up. And they're the ones who have all this stuff. So the point is, to sum it up how how do you know some of these countries aren't going to some of these power players who aren't making decisions because hey he wouldn't want this video out there right how do you know 100 i mean that let's let's get personal with mr gates though if this is a story of an adult man having adult relations with an adult female outside of his marriage is it the biggest deal in the world that needs to be made public you know what i mean what what i'm interested

in is the underage stuff the creepos that evidence coming out i'm worried that they're doing this with the bill gates thing as like red meat like oh look oh oh yeah and it's like it's not a criminal issue it's a personal scandal it's like oh wow bill gates looks bad but what about the maxwell stuff what about the actual client list i don't think we should be satisfied by what we're hearing and we should obviously want more i think you're totally right i think that the actual crimes that they committed while they are bad like i don't think that's the worst thing that's going on i think the like the things that they're being blackmailed to cover up is probably worse than the crimes that they committed well as

bad as they are you know well i was gonna say i think the stuff that's that they're being blackmailed to cover up probably is not as bad as what they're doing yeah in secret is that what you're saying yes yes right so like we hear a story about you know prince andrew and uh virginia jufer is that her name and you're like wow this guy should be in trouble for that it's like what did he do to try and hide that yes because i'm i'm willing to bet a lot of these wealthy guys did something 10 times more evil or supported some real evil stuff what does he know that someone else knows that he knows that they're threatening to go public about his let's just you know molesting children you know let's put let's put it this way you you you blackmail someone like bill gates into giving up millions

of dollars to epstein who then uses that money for his trafficking purposes and that is the the bigger problem these guys who are like oh, my affair could be exposed, better fund Epstein. That's the crazy thing here. Don't you find it weird too that nobody seems to know what Epstein really did? We know what he'll say. It's like, oh, they said he was a hedge fund guy. Really? What's the fun?

Like the Joey Bag of Donuts hedge fund? Nobody can seem to dig up what this guy, which brings it back to your point. Was that what was happening? Was it some circular some circular like hey it'd be a shame if this got out oh look a donation to your little thing which he then uses to do i mean that would be a really sick story even worse than the original if they were funding this stuff well i think they were i think i think like how else does this guy have half a billion dollars a private island in jets i think the milk the asset thing makes sense because one of the questions that comes up from this is was he a puppet or was he the

mastermind and i don't think some former high school teacher was the mastermind i think he was the puppet i i don't know for sure i mean it's interesting there's interesting questions around that but i i would lean towards i'm bet he was i bet he was a puppet and somebody else got away with it oh yeah especially if this middle eastern asset conversation holds water that he's they're basically laundering their money through Epstein and getting him an island and a place to live and funding his operation. And then he's getting Bill Clinton on an airplane and getting him recorded having sex with some girl. That's not his wife. He didn't do that. He met this woman apparently and then found out about the affair and tried using that as

leverage against gates from this story we it would seem the picture they're trying to paint is bill gates never did the more extreme things people are concerned about that's why i'm like is this them placating us hey leak them a little bit so that it seems like bill gates's worst thing is that he cheated on his wife it's called a limited hangout as opposed to letting it all hang out. A limited hangout is where they only give you a, when like there's bad things going on, they tell you the truth about a little thing or smaller things. So that way you can say, oh, we've told you all the stuff, blah, blah, blah. But in reality, they're doing it to distract you from the actual big thing.

A limited hangout versus letting it all hang out. And then when someone says Bill Gates was on Epstein's plane they go oh we know about that you know and then and then epstein blacked him out over that woman but she was she was an adult yeah i mean people from people aren't talking about or people often forget the connections that epstein has with politicians the clintons that you know and and that's i think that probably has a significant amount of substance as well even if like bill cl Clinton wasn't banging little girls on Epstein's Island, it's the connection that he has in the influence. Look at how many people were just dumping money into the Clinton Foundation when Hillary Clinton was running. And then it just like disappeared and evaporated after she lost.

No one really questions what was going on with that money and with the clinton foundation i mean i it probably still exists but the connections between you know politicians and epstein and you know i think that that's something worth looking into and it blows my mind that we're not going to get it listen to this story right like what dirtbags these people who run this country and essentially run the globe are. Do you ever say to someone like, what scumbags? Like, how do you get on a plane with a girl that looks 14 and a dude disappears in the back

and you're like, hey, you got popcorn? Really? Like, right? What kind of sick run this place? We're talking about business titans and nobody ratted this guy out. Nobody was like, hey, man, that looks kind of suspicious. What kind of losers are running this place? What did Buckley say?

I'd rather have the first hundred names in the phone book than these people who run the country. He's so right. I mean, you look at the guy in this area we're in now where you get get, you know, middle class people with dirt under their fingernails who, you know, leave their work boots outside, right? These people are a thousand times the man that these losers who are worth fortunes and have all this power who basically facilitated this guy's BS. I mean, you'd call that out in a minute. You'd be like, wait, wait, wait, calm down with this. Like, what's going on here? And nobody ratted this

guy out you ever you ever hear of demarchy no governance at random so the idea is congress would be you wake up one day you go to your mailbox and you go oh honey i got congress duty you know i gotta go out i gotta go for congress can't be any worse so the reason i think that'd be better at least to some degree is if it's a limited congressional run where you get duty and you go and there's like they would do the same thing to do with jury and ask you questions and stuff and then some people like people could approve or reject is that after you vote for something you got to go back home you don't get a lifelong appointments you don't get access you don't get a lobbying job

and you're sitting there being like yo if i vote for this bank bailout my neighbors are going to scream in my face i ain't doing it i'm only so that that's that's what i you know when you mentioned the first hundred names in the phone book the reason why i think we've got so many problems is that the people we have in government are the people who want power not the people who want a good country and i was thinking about this there's a story about these uh six women runners on the podium first three are advancing the state fourth place girl loses because she gets bumped by a biological male the only so the first place girl no complaints second place is the biological male cheering and happy. Third place, female, no complaints. Fourth place, who would have been in third place, thumbs down, angry, pouting. Then you get fifth and sixth, not a complaint. You know why?

None of these people are willing to stick out their necks for their neighbors or their community. And I think that's one of the biggest problems plaguing our country right now. So you end up with politicians like AOC, who will just lie lie cheat and steal all day and has a whole bunch of people who aren't smart enough to know that they're being manipulated or cheated or like it supporting people like her and then the people who actually are good people like imagine if we had like you know like senator dan bongino for instance someone who clearly cared and actually believed in something but here's the thing i did but that's why i lost and this is this is the issue right 0.5 one percent or whatever yeah yeah man why why would a corrupt system want you in that system they'd be like this

guy this we gotta we gotta fight tooth and nail to keep this guy out and so the good people who really do want positive changes either don't think it's worth the fight because it's painful and have the talents to succeed in other places and be effective in other ways. And the only people who are willing to go in government are the people who are not good at anything except they're willing to lie, cheat, and steal for power. If you're really good, people will support you and you will lead with genuine earned authority through honor. But if you need to seize the title to be someone's leader, I don't think that really implies that you're going to have it. I ran three times and you learn a lot. I think it's what pissed me off so much and how I fell into kind of radio and podcasting because I got so aggravated about

the system. And what Tim's saying is right. I mean, people who have very mercenary, me first kind of power hungry attitudes do very well i'll never forget being in the capitol hill club and i'm running and it's the first time like we're a suit that my first senate race nobody took us seriously we won the primary by like some act of god like i ran for senate the first time out of the shoot we won the republican primary it was like the weirdest thing against 10 people and we you know by a sliver but the second time it was kind of serious like people thought gosh this guy can because we wound up raising like a good chunk of money. But I'm in the Capitol Hill Club

and I'm with this, I don't know, some group or something like that. And it was a strange thing. They sent out a questionnaire before you meet with them. And long and short of it, it's about a patent thing, like first to file versus first to invent, like something so esoteric, like only really like a limited number of people

care about it. And I had a very specific stance on it because it mattered to me like i researched and did the homework on all the issues and i'll never forget them like almost kind of implying like hey you know if you say the opposite you know and i thought you know how many people probably just told them yes for a cheap campaign donation because they don't care like no one's even going to notice and i remember walking out i'm not i'm trying to like virtue signal anyone i mean i'm a sinner like but i i like anyone else but i wasn't doing that like because i knew once you once you kind of once you sold a little bit of your skin the pound of flesh

was next and i'm like i'm not doing it and i walked out and i was like nah man like that's my position i appreciate you meeting with me i hope you'll reconsider later on but i'm not doing squat i'm not selling out anything and then when i ran you, we were in the general, you know, against this guy in this congressional district, Delaney, who's since left, he ran for president and left. They have this trone cat now. But, you know, I remember everyone telling me, oh, listen, you need to moderate. You know, you need to moderate. It's a D plus six district. No Republican's going to win as a conservative. You know, if you just like don't mention abortion or anything like that and i gotta tell you man this is why i think focus groups and politics are full of bullshitters now because everything they told me was fake i never changed

the damn thing we lost by one point everyone else who ran lost by 15 so i don't believe any of that you know i was sitting in a group after mitt Romney lost to Obama down in D.C. This group I was a part of is groundswell group, which was good people. And it was like this focus group guy in there. And he's like, don't ever mention immigration again. We're never going to win. These guys are so stupid. Trump literally runs on build a wall and wins Pennsylvania for the first time ever.

That's why I just, good candidates find a way to overcome with good messaging. If you can stick it on a damn Wheaties box and explain it to someone, you can win. The problem is, like Tim said, you get so many mercenary jerks, they're just terrible messengers. They're just really bad. And that's why I think the Republican Party, without the defense of the media, we just continue to lose. I think good people don't want to do bad things to win. Like you were saying, you don't want to compromise your values. How do you win against someone? You're playing a game of Monopoly. I'll put it this way. And the guy you're playing against keeps pulling money out of the bank and sticking his pocket. And you're like, hey, you can't do that. And he's like, no, it's

fine. How do you win against somebody when they're just like, I'm going to keep doing no matter what you do? You're actually playing against the people that are drawing the board on the table. And like, how do you win when someone can just rewrite the complete structure of the board itself like kennedy tried john kennedy yeah you know he said out loud i'm going to change the structure of the board you guys and they're like no we're going to rewrite the board so that you're dead so you got an establishment democrats and republicans and they work together. They do not like actual politicians. So what I end up seeing is you get a Trump. And why do people like Trump so much is because he's finally somebody who he finally decides he is going to run and it it feels like i think to a lot of people it's the first time someone who should run is actually running despite his his his crass personality you know he's a guy who is not supposed to be the politician

the politicians all wear the same suits they all talk the same way they all pander to the same same in the same ways hillary clinton shows up in you know whatever state with a fake southern accent aoc shows up to a rally and does a fake puerto rican latina thing listen listen yep it's fake it's fake and then you get a trump and sure he might be rude but people kind of feel like we keep asking for people to run for office who are real people who actually care and they don't want to do it why would you it's it's torture go fighting that machine this environment it's the system isn't built right at the moment with all this technology that we still have to like mail pieces of paper across the world and hope that it lands in a box and gets counted and that they're just going to tell us the answer and we have to believe they're what they tell like that's 1870 technology and and why would

i want to be part of a system that is 100 disagree with you totally wrong totally wrong ian i gotta tell you back in the day there were much less people and there were physical ballots that could be checked with tons of people standing around staring now it's all code behind the scenes you can't see you should be able to see the right right so yeah but i'm actually i'm actually arguing your own point with your own point we've long talked about how the problem is proprietary private election systems instead of publicly publicly controlled open source ones so but but the point i was getting to is not to to open up the box of worms on do we trust certain companies my point is simply the quality of

candidate is very very low i think it's proven the people that are leading the world are in the private sector right now like politicians do have some sway over the military unfortunately or unfortunately okay but really the people that are in control of earth are the people that own google or that elon musk people that are very very wealthy they they own the oil you know they're they're you don't know their names sometimes. So I think that the real quality leaders aren't drawn to politics, they're drawn to business. Because business is more so meritocratic. So why is it that Dan Bongino and I both run these shows? I mean, you tried to run for office. Instead, you have one of the

biggest shows in the world instead. Actually fair question pretty good let me ask you directly like you know how does it happen that you wanted to get in office you wanted to make that change instead you're doing something different in terms of making that change god loves him no i mean like i know what i mean is you tried going the route of being a civic leader instead you became an influential person that happened by accident happened by accident. I mean, the whole story of me running for office is just crazy. I'm in my 12th year as an agent. I'm 13 years away from retiring. And the thing is, I'm done with the worst part of my career.

The president's detail. You think, oh, everybody loves the president's detail. No, no, they hate it. They love going there because it's distinguished. That's the thing. When you go to the Secret Service, we had like 5,000, 4,000 agents, a limited number of people ever get there. You know, everybody thinks everybody goes to the president's detail. It's actually a small number of guys. So if you get picked, it's like a big deal.

So I finished, like I had done lead advances. I left at the top of my game. The rest of your career is pretty much, honestly, you relitigating what you did on the PPD, presidential protective division. You know, you live in live in reliving your glory days you know it's like high school harry telling that pass you through in the fourth quarter to win the game so i'm done i'm in the baltimore field office life is good i'm investigating cases which i love i was a criminal investigator first but you know i just love that stuff and then uh you know i i just i saw obama win and uh obviously i'm you know i'm getting ready to transfer to his detail because i'm on bush's detail and you know it's weird for us the secret service because one night i mean literally one

night bush walks out of the bedroom and the next night it's obama like nothing changes for you it's the same post and um i had said i had said to my wife about obama i when i saw him give the speech at john kerry's nomination when john kerry ran remember he gave that speech it was electric i said man this guy's gonna be big trouble huge trouble she remembers it to this day and i knew the country was in some really deep shit. I knew we were in trouble bad. And I emailed this local Anne Arundel County. I lived in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. I emailed this guy, found him online.

His name was Jerry Walker. I said, hey, Jerry, I'm just a guy, man. I saw this speech last night. The country's going to hell. I want to get involved. He emailed me back in like 20 minutes. It was like 11 o'clock at night. He said, there's a local Republican club near you called the Elephant Club.

Just show up. And that's how the whole thing started. And then just a couple months later, I looked at my wife and I've been bothering her. I said, I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to get out of here. Maybe six months later, I said, I got to go do something. I got to do something bigger than this, man.

I can't just watch the country go to shit. I mean, I'm getting a paycheck. You know, government's bills are always cleared for me. Everyone else is getting, you know, they're still dealing with the recession. And I felt like, man, this ain't right. Like, I'm not like a citizen grifter here. Like, I know my job's important, keeping this cat alive in the White House. But I got to, I can't do this, man. So I said,

I think I want to run for office. My wife thought I was nuts, man. She thought I was totally bananas. But to her credit, she's always willing to take a chance, man. She's like, all right, you know what? You want to run? We were at a Cinco de Mayo party in a cul-de-sac. I'm probably like 45 tequilas to the wind at that point. Who knows? And she looked at me and goes, you're really going to want to do this, right? I said, yeah. She said, all right, do it. I resigned. I gave him two weeks notice and I left.

And I jumped in the U.S. Senate race. Everybody laughed. They said, look at this idiot. Who's this moron? I had nothing. No money. I had five emails a guy had given me for local reporters. You know, we won that primary.

We raised $1.2 million. Wow. We won that primary. There's still stickers with your name on it out here. That race was race. One point two million dollars. Wow. We won that primary. There's still stickers with your name on it out here. Yeah. That race was serious. That was the next one.

The Senate race. We got annihilated. It was a three person race. We got crushed. The independent actually spent more money than all of us. He spent seven million bucks. He he finished third. I finished second.

Cardin won. But then we ran for reelection here. And that race was serious, man. A lot of people were people were like dude this guy's not screwing around man like we would show up at the brunswick parade the brunswick parade we had these yellow shirts just the pictures are still on my instagram we'd show up with 150 people for a congressional race walking down the street in yellow t-shirts and everyone was like who the hell is this guy, man? And for people who don't know, Brunswick is not very big. No, it's not big at all.

You look at the pictures, these thin streets, you know, it's hills all over. We came down, there's a picture of a yellow prowler. This volunteer of mine had a yellow prowler and we had yellow shirts. It looks like an army invading Brunswick. I'm telling you, man, and you know what killed me in that race? We would have won that race. I got a job and a job offer. It was a pretty significant job offer

because I was filling in on radio while I was running, which is like a major no-no because it's equal time stuff. How these candidates didn't catch on is like crazy. But we were tearing it up on radio. I get a job offer

like a month out from the election. Maybe two months, whatever. About two months out. And I'm like, shit, what do I do? I can't drop out. And I'm like, we didn't think we were going to win. And I'm like, I made a commitment. I made a promise.

But for like a week, I thought this thing through because it was like life-changing for me. It was going to happen. And I did the right thing. I turned it down. But I swear in that week, if we just would have knocked on a few more doors, we would have won that race, man. I mean, it was devastating on election night.

It was devastating. We won on election night. Were the votes tallied on a machine with proprietary software code? I don't know, man. But that Frederick City thing I told you about still freaks me out that all those people voted and claimed they weren't citizens. I was like, what was it about Obama that freaked you out on that first speech you heard listen man it was kind of old school collectivism repackaged with a bow under the guise of like uh faux bravado citizenry like oh look at me i'm so pro-america i got this success story what's your success story again? You're a community organizer.

Just to be clear right there. So you, but you get how it was packaged in liberty oriented capitalism based ideas. Like, oh my gosh, I overcame all. What exactly? I'm sorry, what did you overcome again? You did, you were a community organizer. Like what exactly did you do?

But I saw the guy I'm in. I'll never forget where I was. I'm in the Shelbourne Hotel in Manhattan because I'm getting ready as a counter surveillance agent for the Republican National Convention, which was in New York, which was after that. So I'm watching him give this speech on TV. And I'm thinking of every corrupt, destructive, Marxist-based politician in human history history what have they had the gift of more than anything it's the gift of the ability to expel carbon dioxide man and talk and convince people that this old bullshit idea they were packaging is new again and i heard it i heard it new again i heard it new again i heard old school marxist claptrap garbage packaged in a

way that even i'm listening going damn that's good let's talk about this story here from the daily signal exclusive leaked policy exposes fox news's stance on woke ideology so of course the big story tucker carlson gets ousted several reports have said he got the boot because it was part of the dominion settlement but uh dan you had a show there a huge show so i don't know if you have any insights into this but i'll just say outright this is like a big exclusive where apparently now people are coming up from fox news saying inside the company it is woke it is very lefty i think the obvious thing is you're in new york city you got new york city laws these laws are pretty broad and i'm gonna get into the heaviness of these laws but

i'm curious your experience at fox news you know you go from politics then you're into you know radio now your personality now you've got a show on fox news did you see any of this woke stuff there yeah man i mean it was real now here's the thing i i didn't work in fox in new york i have my own studio in florida and i gotta tell you fox never did me wrong like we we would fight about a lot of stuff and you know i said i was talking to megan kelly about this last week but it wasn't anything unusual you wouldn't see on a show i mean it wasn't like oh don't cover that topic or that they i said often like they never told me what to talk about because i just

would have talked about it anyway i mean there's a reason but I didn't use a prompter on a lot of my segments. Some of them we did, but that doesn't happen at Fox. Like almost nobody, I think there's one host. I don't think Cavuto uses a prompter, but it's for different reasons. But almost nobody goes without a prompter. Matter of fact, I had Jesse on as a guest one day in New York. Rarely I would do my show from New York,

like once or twice a quarter or something. Andesse came in and i did this big like rant and he's looking at a prompter and it just says like dan adlib and i go on and he's like dude you did that out of your head and he's like well how'd you hit the mark and stuff i said oh you know we just that's i'm used to we talk radio like we did our thing so no one ever told me what to say because i wouldn't have listened anyway. But here's the thing, like Tim brings up a point because it's hard, I know it's easy to pile on. And if anybody has a reason to be angry with everything going on, it's me.

I was there. You know, I'm pissed about what happened. I am, I would, you know, the relationship there I put a lot of time into. But he's not wrong. I mean, forget this stuff for a second. I'll get i'll get to that and i'm not trying to avoid it but i'll give you a perfect example the vaccine thing they did everything they can with me to make it easy for people to not get canned with the mandate but they were in new york like they had no they would have shut the building down i live that they did everything they could to make sure nobody got canned. Like,

okay, you're going to do this and you're going to do remote stuff. All right. Was it what I like them to like punch him in the face in New York and say, this is stupid and we're not doing it. Yeah. But with this, this is different. I mean, this is kind of like, I read the story. Looks like, like they've really went overboard with this. You got to remember, you got a lot of serious conservatives there. How are they going to feel? Say you're a female conservative host there, which they have a few. You're popping in a bathroom and a guy walks in. How's that going to go down there? Have they thought this through? Has Fox News considered maybe leaving New York? They should. They should. I mean, mean listen after the tucker thing they've got

bigger problems i mean i i don't i'm not sure i was a lot a lot of people linked up this is a great i mean can i read something it's quick i promise i hate when people read stuff but this was someone gave this up to bright bar and this kind of explains it all they said uh because this is kind of accurate they're talking about why me and why me and Tucker weren't re-signed. And some source told them, this is from a Matt Boyle piece, that Bongino and Carlson, one source said, were considered the two most likely to say, fuck you to management.

The reason right here, a network insider said, adding that Bongino gave zero fucks and Tucker gave even less fucks. So that's kind of true. That's why I'm not furious at them because I wasn't the easiest guy to work with. I'm not going to mess with them. How did it end?

You were just doing it and then they fired you? No, no. So the show was number one. I mean, demo and overall. You can't get higher than number one. We were rocking it, man. We were pulling in killer numbers. We were at 10 and at nine at both spots. demo and overall you know that's your number you can't get higher number one like we we were rocking it man we were pulling in killer numbers even we were at 10 and at 9 at both spots and they wanted to re-sign for about six months and i i don't have an agent i do my own deals always i

don't need it i like my own stuff so i i was the one doing all the negotiating there was never a question they wanted to show ever and And then about, I don't know, about two weeks out, but for the end of the contract was I think April 30th or whatever. I don't remember off the top of my head. But about two weeks out, I noticed like the tone changed completely. And I don't know what happened. At that point, I wanted to re-up for a year. I wanted to re-up for a year. And I said, let's just punt this down the road and let's re-up for a year. And then, I don't know, it just seemed like they weren't interested. But the people I was dealing with there, they were genuine with me.

They never bullshitted me at all. No one ever said to me something that didn't happen. So I can't sit here and say, again, it's easy for me to pile on. And I have no reason. I don't work there. I'm probably never going to work there again. I may never do a hit again on Fox. But I'm not going to tell anybody fairy tales that aren't true because that's like short-run clickbait stuff.

But in the long run, it dings your credibility. Now, the Tucker story, it's got some angles to it, you know. So I don't know if something happened last minute that posed dominion where they were like, let's clean house and get rid of these two i don't know that but you know things did change the last two so here's the interesting thing about this leaked policy exposing fox news's stance on woke ideology they they they say things that i think are kind of obvious considering fox is based in new york city that uh you your gender identity is protected, whether or not it conforms. This is New York City and state law, I'm pretty sure. And I've long talked about how the laws in New York City open the door for a major,

major problem if anyone actually chooses to put it to the test. So in the Daily Signal article, they actually link to the New York City Commission on Human Rights definitions. They say gender expression is the representation of gender as expressed through one's name, pronouns, clothing, hairstyle, behavior, voice, or similar characteristics. Gender expression may or may not conform to gender stereotypes, norms, and expectations in a given culture or historical period. It actually says that that meaning if you put on a safari costume from the 1800s and call yourself the colonel with a fake beard that is quite literally what they're referring to historical period you can dress up like a pirate they wouldn't put historical period as protected unless they expected people to dress up like colonial pirates run a conservative

company out of new york city you cannot there is no way this you realize this was the intention of the left hijacking corporate america too right you know hrc and the dei that well i call it the die stuff the esg stuff because they want you to violate your own core tenant principles which does what it obviously alienates you from the core audience that funds you by the way way, my producer, Guy, downstairs watching the chat, he says, the chat's convinced you're on drugs. They're not used to the energy. I am not on any professional narcotics. He didn't even have any of our coffee. I didn't even have any of the coffee. This is my natural state of being.

Here's what I want to say about the law in New York City, though. Because I think we need some strong people at Fox News. If there's anywhere that would be willing to test the limits of these laws, it's someone who works at Fox News who understands this is going too far. If you work at Fox News, you can put on a full wolf fursuit. Tell your boss your name is Volsiferon, Herald of the Winter Mists, and your pronouns are Lord Volsiferon and Lord Volsiferon's. And if they don't use it, they're in violation of the law. Now, as I've mentioned before, I've talked to lawyers about this in New York

who said you'll be laughed out of the courtroom. Why would the law say historical period? Fine. Show up to Fox as an on-air contributor dressed like a pirate with an eye patch and go, Yar! Thanks for having me on the air, matey. And if they like a pirate with an eye patch and go, yarr, thanks for having me on the air, matey. And if they have a problem with it and tell you you can't go on to say, if you don't let

me go on, I will file a complaint with the Commission on Human Rights in New York City for violation of their human rights law. Let's see how quickly Fox News bends over backwards. Here's what I want to see. Will Fox News at that point say say we cannot allow people to show up just like pirates or or uh i mean it says anything caveman you could just look like yeah or a roman uh in a toga and then go on the air if they bar you from going on the air they're in violation of the law now go before a judge and say, your honor, this is how I express my gender as someone who's non-binary.

And it says in the law, historical period is explicitly protected. No judge is going to be able to laugh you out. There's no other interpretation of that. It all depends on the judge. Sure. But if the law itself says historical period. Now, look, when I first read this law back in 2019, I said, what would happen? I called a bunch of human rights lawyers in New York and said, what would happen if I

went in dressed like a wolf or something and said I was vociferon? They said, they'd still fire you, kick you out. And when you go to a judge, they'll say, we know what the intent of the law is, and this is not it. And they will laugh you out of the courtroom. And I said, if a judge has the right to laugh at me for the way I dress, why not a man dressed like a woman? And they're like well i mean

the purpose of the law and the intent is and i was like okay so there could be a judge who just says no this is different this law explicitly says historical period that means if you go before a judge dress like a pirate and say it says historical period this makes me feel the most comfortable and confident in my gender why can't i dress up like a busty female pirate from the 1700s with an eye patch and and a fake peddler kira knightley from uh exactly absolutely or a nudist and if and if the judge says when's that i reject this historical period clothing which clearly falls in line then the law is basically meaningless but i'm curious because i'll tell you this if it were me and i worked at fox news and this story came out i would show up the next day dressed like a pirate and i would get like legit hollywood production quality pirate costume and i'd be

like i am going on the air dressed like a pirate talking like this year welcome to the news program and if they had a problem with it it's a violation of the law is fox news at that point going they're going to be presented with one of two scenarios destroy your audience sacrifice your audience for the local new york city laws or relocate i you you mentioned the new york city laws and i i think there's merit to that but i do think that the esg uh considerations from the investors and stuff i think that has a significant uh amount of pressure put on on them as well so i think that the combination of the two is probably the most that's but that part of the story puzzled me the most that apparently they're they are pitching their their high hrc score is like a

net positive as a conservative network that's like a net positive. As a conservative network, that's a stain on your network from that group. But there's big investors that are like BlackRock and stuff like that, these investment firms and stuff like that

that have a significant effect on the direction of the corporation because it opens opportunities if you play by their rules. So it may affect your bottom line and you may lose like fox may lose uh viewers because of this the woke stuff coming out but the in like black rock and stuff like that say yeah but i promise opportunities in the future fox's business model

though is is not what everybody thinks it is they most of their money actually comes from carriage fees now advertising is obviously a good chunk of it too, and they don't want to lose it. But the hard reality is, even though they were losing some money on Tucker's show due to boycotts and other stuff, Fox News was still generating a good chunk of change. I mean, they were not in any danger of going bankrupt or anything like that. What are carriage fees?

Carriage fees are fees paid to a cable channel to be carried on, say, Verizon, these cable packages. So because nobody will get cable without fox very few people they get paid a certain amount of money for each user so the problem fox is going to have that's bigger than boycotts ad boycotts are cord cutters because if you're getting a carriage fee of whatever say a dollar a person and there's 100 million people with cable you got 100 million in the can before you sold a freaking ad. The problem is the cord cutting is speeding up.

That's why when I decided I was going to do interviews after leaving Fox, I've only done two and they've both been new media. You guys and Megyn Kelly, because I am an avid supporter of new media. This cord cutting picks up shows like this. You have to understand, this is going to be a dumb box in the future.

Okay. They call it a smartphone. It's really a dumb box. It's going to be a transmission vehicle. People are going to want to watch Tim pool. Tim pool is going to be your eight o'clock guy, whatever. Tim pool is your,

whether you watch it on this, an iPad, a computer or a monitor with smart TVs is going to be totally irrelevant. The cable box is done. We just bought a house and the guy comes over to be totally irrelevant the cable box is done we just bought a house and and the guy comes over to we needed a cable traditional cable because i still watch cable newsmax and fox and stuff the guy goes cable box he goes now we don't even have those you got to go pick one up yourself well what do you mean you're a cable guy he was now we don't do that he goes everybody

streams now the guy says he hasn't hooked up a cable box in days i said really we're the only ones i felt like i was from the flintstones so fox makes a lot of money from that but you're you're not wrong like there is pressure from places like blackrock that can buy up a lot and can buy up your stock but if your brand and your value added right is hey we're going to be the conservative channel then i'm sorry but you got to do conservative stuff i I mean, their opinion part is conservative. They got to leave New York. Who owns it? Who owns Fox?

I'm looking. It's 39% Murdoch. It's only 39%, though. So who owns the other 50? Well, it's public traded. Someone super chatted and said, what if the historical period was pre-Civil War, Southern Bell? So if you work at Fox News,

show up and say you identify as your gender is non-binary antebellum and where old uh pre-civil war you'd be thrown out of there so they can't do that this is the problem look if they want to create these laws yeah all it takes is someone with the willingness to be like let's see if like let's let's play a game of chicken. Is Fox News, look, Fox News is perfect for this because the people who work at MSNBC like what MSNBC does. The people who work at Fox clearly oppose, not all of them, but a lot of them, the ideology. Is Fox going to say we will lose our audience and go out of business or will we move? So it's like the pressure is on, man.

If you work there, you can make the difference. But I wonder, have they made a commitment ever since Tucker and I departed from the network? Have they made a commitment to kind of become like a right of center network rather than what they were thinking that that's where the money is? Because you got to remember, everyone who's tried that has failed. I could go through a list of probably four or five online outlets it started as explicitly right conservative right-leaning who decided to play down that you know what ij ij remember ij review was hot man when it started they were doing these like nugget videos and vine like videos they were hot they're still around whether they're profitable i don't know but they were blowing. They were doing right-leaning stuff. And then someone, I don't know who, pitched them this idea of, hey, let's play it down the middle.

The problem with playing it down the middle is you just piss off both sides. And you got to understand, like, the politics now are very Manichean. They're just, this is it. Like, the next fight is the end and the next election is the end. Whether that's true or not, I hope it isn't. Unfortunately, people feel that way. It's is the end whether that's true or not i hope it isn't unfortunately people feel that way it's it's not it's not the middle it's that it's establishment if you are someone like jimmy dore who's very clearly a leftist but you are if you're honest about the news yeah i love jimmy exactly i played a clip of him that's funny on my show on my podcast

today it's hilarious jimmy dore will argue socialist economic points and you'll be like well jimmy i think you're clearly wrong about that and then you'll come to the issue of epstein or clinton or the banks and you'll completely agree because he's honest jimmy doesn't buy into the religion either right like the whole religion part the ideology that goes along with it it's like jimmy's straight up about like the actual material conditions which is more close to like original marxism with it with uh what is it class based or yeah materialism i forget the the um the the phrase that he's but he was really focused on materialism my jimmy and jimmy dore does that he doesn't get into the the the what basically boils

down to like the the almost the theology of the left the the whole the trans stuff and the lgbt stuff and the the the basically the the making it like a religious uh you know you don't think though the fox problem is going to be too the problem they're going to have is conservatives right i mean i've been embedded in this movement a long time over a decade of my life conservatives don't like to get toyed with believe me i see it conservatives will, they will call out conservatives over nothing. Nothing. Liberals don't have that problem. Do you realize like how dumb liberals are?

I'm sorry. They're freaking imbeciles. You can lie to a liberal for five years about a pee pee hoax, right? It's clearly bullshit. Like there was, they were for five years. Tim, five years.

Imagine wasting. So just do, Rachel maddow probably does 190 shows a year before her new contract now she only work one day a week so figure 190 she did 190 shows a year for almost five years on a story that is bullshit how are you watching this? Like what? You just, I just wasted hundreds of hours of my life. If you pulled that as a conservative and, and it happens, it's a cult,

but it's a, it's a freaking cold. It happened to me today. I did this interview with, uh, I was telling Megan Kelly on Friday and this lady, she had stuff drives me crazy on Twitter. Like I'll respond to randos over nothing because I just get pissed off and i got a really like shit attitude and i just do some like random ladies like i heard dan bongino and megan kelly calling ron desantis a backbencher i'm done with these

two and they said trump's tweets aren't a problem i'm like i answered her back i'm like did you even watch the show because i went back and watched the clip. I'm like, that's not what I said. I said I supported Trump and we've got a great bench, including Ron DeSantis. That's not calling him a backbencher, you freaking idiot. And it's like our people call our people out over stuff that didn't even happen. And we're so annoyed, like you're not principled.

And yet the left, you can stick it to them, lie to them make up innumerable stories and they will never give up they'll tune into rachel maddow tomorrow yeah podcast kicks ass yep i follow the numbers like you do if you got caught lying about a major thing i've got the skinny on governor andrew cuomo it's just coming down this explosive story and for five years you and it turns out to be, no one watched Tim Pool again. But that's not what we do. I mean, it makes us better people.

And I'm proud to be on the true side of the movement. And I agree with you. It's more anti-establishment than conservative or left. I totally get that. I'm vibing with you on that. But if you did the stuff lefties pull on their audience, you'd be done, man. Finished. Let's talk about this story from Axios.

Trump's 2025 vision revealed. I already really like it because if you scroll down, it says he's vowing to get rid of Marxist prosecutors. Yes! So, uh... I love how this is written as a hit piece, too. Yeah, right? When you read it, you're like, yes! This is awesome! This should be an in-kind donation

to the Trump campaign. It's the best thing I've heard Trump say ever! That's better than build the wall. He wants to give the president the authority to hire and fire federal workers. He wants to reward schools that abolish tenure for teachers. They say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He wants to defund

the Justice Department and FBI. He's vowing to get rid of Marxist prosecutors. He wants the DOJ to investigate big pharma and hospital networks. He wants to use the U.S. military to go after drug cartels and street crime. He wants to eliminate an Obama-era rule requiring cities and local governments to address residential segregation. He wants Quantum Leap to revolutionize the American standard of living. It includes baby bonuses to create a new baby boom and the design of 10 new freedom cities in the u.s he wants and he wants national concealed carry reciprocity whoa i'm

like axios is really getting me on board with trump 2024 i love it it's written as a hit piece too look at this radical agenda meanwhile every libertarian conservative republic is like this is freaking awesome this is just straight up good trump well it's all good trump the idea that he would use the military to go after street crime is a little is a little concerning and all insanely insane because that's not what the military is for i disagree i think they're lying i think what we've heard from trump is that the insurrection act should be used against riots and what axios is doing is they're reframing it to make it seem like he's talking about a dude robbing a liquor store which would be i believe

a violation of posse comitatus trump was resistant to using the military to even stop the riots i think what he's saying now is hey if this happens again we'll invoke the insurrection and i won't be too critical since this is a news report about what he said rather than just what he said but the other thing that struck me was that he wants to give the executive authority the right to hire and fire uh federal employees which could be like some psycho could get into office and fire everybody and put all his sycophants in that's actually my that's good idea i immediately if you schedule f's everyone i love that but but also i click the link and it brings you right to his stop crime and restore safety. And let me just read for you. It says the once are once great street cities are now controlled by gangs, cartels, plagued with the mentally ill and drug addicted homeless.

Trump will revitalize police departments and reclaim safety, dignity and peace for law abiding Americans who deliver record funding to higher retained police officers, strengthen qualified immunity and other protections for police officers, increase penalties for assault on law enforcement, put violent offenders and career criminals behind bars and surge federal prosecutors and the National Guard into high crime communities. The only thing that remotely comes close to using the military for street crime is National Guard and high crime communities. That's something we do. We do. The National Guard is deployed in extreme circumstances. If the bulk of what he's saying is revitalizing police departments for Axios to frame it as he wants to address street crime with military is a lie. Yeah. Hopefully he's not talking about putting like the National Guard on the south side of Chicago standing on the street corners with a cape. I think he's talking about when they deployed the National Guard to Ferguson when there was widespread writing. And that was Obama who did that.

I promise they won't have a 47. You have an AK. You have in ferguson protesting the streets and they deploy the national guard when you have certain degrees of high crime they deploy the national guard into certain areas it happens a lot depending on what that crime is yeah and usually you got to ask for it the state's got to ask for it uh the federal government and it's the state level anyway it's not something the president does so that being said ian i like that you're skeptical about that yes it is i i was one of the few i'm still getting shit about this when uh uh

bukele and then uh they did these big uh prison camps for all these gang members i was one of the few guys the conservatives are still ripping me for this but that's fine because i'm not going to change my position i was one of these guys saying, are you really sure about that? We want to round up like five, 600,000 people or whatever, and throw them in like a prison camp. We're all celebrating. Like,

there's no more like pro cop, you know, pro let's crack down, use broken windows, policing guy than me. But, you know, we have to be careful as conservatives who support liberty to not like be

like liberals, like the current thingers, the current thing. Oh, look look there's a guy down there in south america who's cleaning up the streets over yeah well how did he do that like i can clean up the streets too like i'll hire a bunch of special forces guys like whack five six hundred bad guys the streets are clean but like have we considered the externalities of that so i'm with you like i'm always skeptical when i when i hear stuff like that and that's good i agree but my question is at what point are you at in a war or are you dealing with a circumstance of uh market reprisal so with the issue of uh cartels or like in el salvador you have extra governmental entities that become governments at what point are you at war well listen in his it's a fair

it's a fair question to ask at what point are you at war i the problem is who gets to declare that then right i mean this is because you're asking a good question but but my question is another question what happens if you get an obama then who says uh you know what we're in a state of war and these conservatives uh they're talking about a stolen election that's all treason and you're all going to go to jail so i would rather err on the side of extreme caution and have limits on the on the uh on the natural vicissitudes of men's emotions than to have this kind of open season attitude and i find what people do is they get desperate and desperation you know here's the thing i use this

analogy on my show a lot right you ever see the walking dead before yeah i used to love that show then it went crazy and a bunch of wokes whatever there's that that that season where they they go into prison but to get away from the zombies and i say to my audience all the time like who the walks in a prison right locks the door in because the say to my audience all the time, like, who walks in a prison, right, and locks the door in? Because a prison's a bad thing. The answer is people who are afraid of what's on the outside. That's who does that.

Oh, look, the zombies on the outside are worse than us taking away our own freedom in a prison. That's what worries me about conservatives specifically. You know, I'm not saying, like, championing what they did in El Salvador is a horrible,

if it works out great, fine. And civil liberties eventually are respected. But you got to understand, like, this is the kind of stuff that tyrants love. They love to scare you enough because their fear is the coin of the realm, right? That you'll crave this too. Oh man, can we do that here? And then you get an Obama Biden and you're the one in the freaking handcuffs. And you're like, holy shit, did I sign up for this?

And that's what happened with the Patriot Act. Which was horrible so the issue that i see is if principled people are constantly going up against unprincipled people the unprincipled people will win people who are willing to like i was talking about monopoly right if you're playing against someone who's actively cheating and won't stop but you keep playing anyway my question is i i like what el salvador is doing i don't know the i'm not going to say i know every single detail on every single thing they've done, but they went, I think, like three months without any murders since they started rounding up the criminal cartels. You've got a bunch of people who are actively in these. So let's reframe this into the United States. The left wants to release people from jail. They're saying, you know, this guy was

a shoplifter, let's release him. What does he do? He goes right out right away and shoplifts again, gets caught, starts laughing, saying, y'all caught me the first time and let me go. It's very difficult to know how we deal with problems like this at scale. When the country is a lot smaller, there's a lot less people. We're very, very, very libertarian. But the bigger issue at play was a shared sense of community where most people shared religious values and there was a lot less people when militia meant the local men who would take up arms to defend their community. Now you have a place like New York City where people don't even

know who lives next door to them. And so what happens is you get a guy on a train threatening people and everybody just puts their head down and ignores it. No one's doing anything. So I'll put it this way. The solution to this problem in the most extreme circumstances may be the Insurrection Act sending out the National Guard or the Army to stop mass unrest in the United States. The real solution is shared moral frameworks, which we don't have and rebuilding that takes generations. And so it's been destroyed and dismantled over the past couple of generations. It may come to a point where you've got a left that is saying abortion up to nine months, no questions.

And we've had these people on this show say that outright. Yes. And I'm like, that's crazy to me. And here I am traditionally in the Democrat camp of pro-choice, meaning in the first trimester or the first six to 10 weeks or 12 weeks or 15 weeks, we'll find that number. Even Trump said something like that. Conservatives saying, no, no, no, we're pro-life, no abortion, no matter what. Yet I am more aligned with conservatives in that we all recognize taking the life of a baby that is completely capable of surviving on its own makes no sense. That's just insane.

So what happens when you have a state like Colorado. Where they're actively aborting. I'm doing air quotes here. Babies at the point of birth. Because legally allowed. Should the federal government go in. And start arresting these doctors. And prosecuting them.

At what point do you then have the left saying. You are the authoritarian fascist. Arresting medical professionals. And they frame it the way they want. I think it's time for us to give a big double barrel. Fuck you to the left. Pardon the language here, folks. Why do we give a shit about what the left is saying?

So you're telling me that the side recommending genital mutilation, saying we should put kids in shit schools in inner cities for generations that have no chance of prosperity decide that won't pay a freaking dime in extra taxes themselves that demands they sit on their fat asses and do nothing all day while you support them through your meritocratic work that we should take them seriously when oh look you guys are the fascists because there's an infant child that does nothing that's done nothing wrong we're not going to suck its brains out and you want to do something to stop i don't really give a shit what the left says so i i don't i'm not suggesting you do i'm just saying like if you want cutesy time and stuff like i'm definitely not your guy because i give zero fucks about that so this is the point when do you send the federal law enforcement to go arrest him on colorado see

that's different that's different that's a different argument because there is an option there like if we're talking about you can't transfer the abortion argument over to that because we're talking about like sucking out a kid's brains in a post-birth abortion or we're talking about crime and law enforcement like we have an option why i lived through it in new york city so before we send in the national guard and talk about any military intervention, we could just do like what we actually did in New York. It was called broken windows policing. It wasn't even complicated. They just went out.

I mean, we don't have time to go over the whole thing here, but the essence of it is really, really simple. They went out and said, hey, we should just arrest people for doing like crimes. Like, it can't be that simple. No, I promise you it was. When I got out of the police department, the whole the whole idea was listen we need cops on the corner so if you you see a kid jumping a turnstile on the train station let him go tim because you know what i need you out there i can't have you processing this kid all night that's not a dumb idea you're like yeah that makes sense we want

to prevent the robberies and the rapes not that well what happened the dude who jumped the turnstiles the guy who rapes the woman, he hasn't paid a fare, so you catch him there. And they cleaned up New York overnight. And this is my point. When Trump gets elected, do we send in 2,000 agents

to start arresting all of the doctors? All of them. They all have to be arrested because they're all facilitating abortion up to the point of birth. If you are killing an infant child in violation of the law, then I'm really sorry, but you made that decision. So in El Salvador, when you've got 10, 15,000 guys in one area

who are all obviously displaying tattoos, working as guards, actively participating in seditious actions, then they send in the government and they arrest them all. And the problem is when we get these photos of all these gang members being arrested and you get people of good principle saying like, I'm kind of worried about a government going and rounding all these people up. Now people in El Salvador, I met a guy in DC from El Salvador and he was talking to another guy. I heard him

mention something about it. I said, are you from El Salvador? He says, yes. And I said, what do you think about what's going on? And he says, I left there a long time ago, but now it's getting really, really good and I'm going to go back. I'm like, someone who moved to America now wants to go back to El Salvador. So my concern is this. I completely agree. We have to be

worried about a government that goes rogue. It was conservatives who were very gung-ho on Patriot Act stuff. Not me, man. Not necessarily. You can go back and look at my campaign videos, man. And it was Obama who signed the indefinite detention provisions. I'm not saying it's just Republicans. But Luke brings up how he was trying to tell Republicans, like, hey, man, watch out for this.

This DHS stuff is going to come and bite you in the ass. It's hard to know whether what you're doing will work out perfectly but i i i think it's a losing position to be like hey i don't want to go and arrest a thousand people because of the the the um what the precedent set if another bad person gets an office it's like not you gotta arrest bad people doing bad things even if it means it looks bad so you end up with people in law enforcement saying i'll give i'll give you a story actually i was just skating in uh uh hagerstown skate park and the local guys over the hagerstown maryland you know where i know it well yeah they said a gang of young kids came there i believe this was not this past weekend but oh actually

no this was uh this was friday i think and beat the crap out of a guy and robbed him and the cops said we won't do anything we can't do anything about it we can't lay a hand on these kids and if anyone else does they're getting arrested because they're concerned about what the locals will the public will think about cops coming in and grabbing a bunch of kids and roughing them up and arresting them in the scene that it causes so they're like we're going to back away from it and this leads to out to excessive lawlessness the solution would then be having a team of cops come out in gear grabbing 12 kids pinning them down and arresting them all and then you get a ton of videos of cops in in in specialized armor fighting a mob of kids a gang

you gotta arrest them you gotta arrest them if if yeah but i'm not saying not arrest them i'm just saying like what i'm saying is the habeas corpus bring forth the body and show me some evidence but but that's the thing but they're not going in el salvador just being like no charges at trial you're being renditioned no i i i listen i'm not suggesting that every single person in that jail or even a small minority, most of them probably, you know, I was, let me tell you a story. Can I tell you a quick story? Hell yes.

I'm working a big kid. We're doing a proffer. I'm a federal agent. I'm not a cop anymore. I'm working with the Secret Service. I'm in a proffer session with this guy. Proffer, they call it a king for a day deal. Bad guy's lawyer comes in.

You're sitting around a table no different than this. Basically, whatever he says in there, they call it king for a day because we're not going to use it against him unless he lies. If he lies, then you can use it. So it's called a proper session. We're in there with this guy. We get this guy. This is a massive, massive fraud scheme going on.

I'm not going to say the guy's name, obviously, but we pull out a photocopy of his driver's license. We slide it across the table. It's the wrong guy. it's not the guy it's a different guy i'm like he turns around he goes that's not me we're like it wasn't my case it was partly because i'm like holy shit that's not this guy now the crazy thing is the guy admitted to like 20 or 30 different crimes proper section which is which is so, and we're like, what the hell do we do now? This guy, because it's a proper, it's a king for a day. My point is that like, we have rules and procedures and those rules and procedures have to matter.

There were as much as I would have loved to have pulled that guy out of handcuffs. God, fuck the rules. You just admitted to all this stuff. We're going to, we know you did it. The hard reality is once those rules go away and it becomes a discretion of people in power they will always absolutely always abuse it always but i don't think that's what so so this conversation starts with el salvador specifically i don't i don't think that's what el salvador is doing i think now what you're actually seeing is a president who said we're going to uphold the law

as the law is meant to be upheld instead of governments that were working with the criminals yeah but you got to worry about the guy that comes after mckay that's the problem i just don't i just don't see this making sense a president comes in el salvador and says hey all these things are doing is illegal and these cartels were we're working with corrupt government officials now that i'm here i'm gonna start arresting them for crimes i'm not i'm i am i am not worried about what happens next because the next president should uphold the law in the exact same way there are but the thing is they're they he's arresting them for crimes it's not right we're not crying that's why i'm saying i don't want to make the enemy the perfect of the good tim i'm not suggesting like

el salvador oh they can just get a fine little court system like we had in new york and the myp like they obviously don't have the judicial structures we do or the fidelity to process like we do so i don't make the enemy that's why i don't like i'm not condemning the guy like he's full of shit you know what there are going to be a lot of people who live because of that my point i guess in this whole thing and where i don't i want to get uh i don't want to be confused with you or get sideways on this one is i just think we got to be very careful championing this stuff here. Like this is some kind of model for the United States. A lot of people even on our side were like, oh my gosh, if we could only do this here.

Like what? Like spy on people without warrants like we did for Trump? But is that what he's doing? Well, how is he getting all this information? You're telling me they filed like 100,000 warrants? I mean, they don't, they're police for, I do the simple logistics, right? I mean, the FBI has got a surveillance squad that can monitor in a city probably less than i don't know five six hundred people far less than at any given day you're telling me like all of these people got

some kind of judicial process i don't know i'm i'm afraid to champion that i think everyone else should be too and you know what if it makes me like oh what are you some kind of someone said to me you're a bleeding heart liberal or something i said are you a madman like are you crazy i'm the guy on fox and all these things defending the cops when they do good police work i'm the guy doing that so i'll give you an example in dc on january 20th 2017 or 21st i think it was several hundred far-left extremists were firebombing vehicles, setting fires in the streets, smashing windows. They all wore black intentionally. They told a bunch of people, they told everybody, hey, show up on this day. We're going to protest Trump.

We're all black. When they when the cops surrounded everybody and arrested, arrested several hundred of them, the court court said we can't prosecute you because we are required to prove as an individual you committed the crime so the government tried charging them with conspiracy because they all chose to wear black to hide the crimes of the individuals in the crowd and the court said you can't. Prove to me that man right there threw the firebomb or he is free to go. So the only people who got criminally charged were those who pleaded guilty. And that was early on until the NGOs came in and said, no, no, no, don't worry to all the leftists. If you committed felonies, we will make sure you never see a minute in jail.

Not only were these people freed after destroying D.C. in an insurrection, they sued the city and won large sums of money. A society that functions, that operates that way, can't function when you have the inverse happening to the other side. So you have the far left extremists, firebombing buildings, smashing windows, and the courts say, sorry. Then you have January 6th the courts say, sorry. Then you have January 6th and they say, we will hunt you down to the ends of the earth and lock you up indefinitely without charge or trial. That's where we're currently at. So if my point is this, if you're staring at an opponent who is cheating to the extreme degree and you keep saying, no,

no, we're going to let them keep doing it. We want them to stop. Maybe one day we can stop them. I'm just like, at a certain point, the question is, for El Salvador, the gangs are working with the government, and they all know who the gangs are. They know who the bosses are, and it's corrupt as it can be. So there's death. Nobody wants to be there. You get someone

comes in and says, we know who these guys are. They got the tattoos. We've got the records because they were colluding with government. Let's start arresting them. I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm not saying i know everything that happened i'm just saying right now we're dealing with in the u.s is i watch the far left burn down cities and the courts then say well we agree with dan bongino on this then when the right goes in protest in portland the cops say nope we're going to lock them up because you know they're part of a group yeah but the irony is like you're an all-black you could have been caught up in that, sent to jail illegally, right?

I was arrested. You're wearing all black right now. And I was arrested, but the people wearing all black. But what if you had no recourse? They were all wearing, they were wearing hoodies and masks. And so you had a group of two, 300 people, all dressed identically for the explicit purpose.

No, I get it. But you see my point? Like, what if you were just an innocent, you're wearing black right now. What if you got, wouldn't you feel like like i was wearing all black and i was arrested yeah and i had a press card in my pocket and the cops pulled me out and said you can go home now yeah but what if you couldn't because you had all black on that's my point like if you show up to an antifa rally dressed like antifa and you stand in a crowd of antifa throwing firebombs at people

well that's different but that's what they're doing no but you didn't do that no and that's why i got let go my point is where we disagree like the whole point that we don't have an actual justice system right now one that we do have a justice system that's blind it's blind to the democrats a political party there's no air between us they're like i absolutely agree my simple suggestion here is that there's a, there's a way to fix that. And the way to fix that. And the only way to fix it,

it's not violence. Cause once you cross the red line, it's over. Like there's no going back going, Oh, I'm sorry. I killed that guy. Like once you go down that path,

there's just no. And I think a lot of people who talk a lot of shit about violence have never been there. Like if you guys actually sat there at a crime scene with like a dude's head blown off on the potatoes in a freaking bodega when you're the new guy, you know what that looks like? It doesn't even look real. Like, it looks fake. It doesn't look real. If you've never seen it, I swear, like, you're like, wow, that guy's head's split in half.

Like, that's kind of crazy. Like, I can see the cerebellum. Like, so we have a way to fix this stuff we have a constitutional process the fact that it's broken isn't like ah fuck it let's just like throw it out and declare like martial law but no one's saying that i'm saying trump should when trump gets in he should file every criminal indictment yes if he if he's fire everybody i just said that i don't i don't i i think fire those who deserve to be fired but if you smell even the lightest scent yes of anything criminal yes but we totally agree i to the camera i concur with tim pool are we i don't know why we're how are we arguing about i

mean you guys are just outlining a an inherent problem with liberalism which is you take liberalism takes the opposing view seriously and it's charitable like in essence the whole point of that's where we get our our innocent until proven guilty idea is because we look at the person and say they're we assume they're good we assume that they're going to be innocent we assume they're virtuous and that's the way we approach let me let me let me put it this way when the left gets when uh i see a leftist get censored on twitter i will not defend them you said you don't believe in free speech okay i'll give you i'll grant you your wish to the people who don't believe in constitutional rights don't stand for them, actively oppose it. I will not defend them. There's this meme of the left shares from Karl Popper about tolerating

intolerance. And they say, we can't tolerate hate speech because the intolerant eventually take over and kick out the tolerant. And I'm like, OK, if you want to come to me and tell me my constitution and things I believe in should be destroyed, then when it comes to how our community, which is a sphere of influence that says here are the rights that are granted to you, constitution and things i believe in should be destroyed then when it comes to how our community which is a sphere of influence that says here are the rights that are granted to you if you actively oppose those rights i will make sure that when it comes when you are guilty of a crime you don't get them because you don't want them well you don't have to defend them and you probably shouldn't but defend the rights themselves agreed so if someone is falsely accused and we don't have evidence we defend them but if someone is a known antifa guy who is caught red-handed and on camera

saying f the constitution f this country f you colonial whatever and starts throwing fire or those lawyers in new york i say i don't i don't i don't i don't care to defend them if they don't like look my point is this at a certain point you're in a culture war and there are people actively trying to destroy your culture and your values if we keep protecting them and they're exploiting our system to destroy us we will lose i was fighting about this with people or not we're not fighting about this this is a point that i've been trying to make on twitter so it's so entertaining to watch, by the way, which is America is a liberal country. And the people that are actively trying to corrupt our government are not liberals.

They are authoritarians. And you have to understand that authoritarians have a completely different philosophy from liberals. Liberals believe that honesty is a virtue, right? Authoritarians don't believe that. You get consequentialists who believe that the actual results are the important part. So someone like Vosh V, right? He'll say things like, and this is paraphrasing, but he says things like, I want to win for socialism.

I don't want to lose for socialism. So that means it's okay for me to lie. That when he came here and he was on with charlie cook he was pleasant etc and then he goes back to his show and he's just the most vile scumbag he did it he does it to leftists and stuff and the point is you can't believe people just because they say you know just because of what they say you have to understand where their philosophy comes from and if you're an authoritarian if you're not a liberal there's no reason to believe

that the person that's coming to you respects liberal principles and there's no reason to believe that they're going to be honest that's that's it i'm not a libertarian in the big l sense i lean on the libertarian spectrum and i'd probably be more towards traditional or classical liberal i probably have a view that looks at the world not too dissimilarly to starship troopers service guarantee citizenship kind of concept my fear is this why is it that no anarchist civilization has ever prospered it's because when you property rights well anarchists uh depending on your definition don't necessarily disagree with that. The issue is that they don't move fast enough. And in times of an emergency, you do need executive authority.

And therein lies the big challenge. I don't believe you can simply just say we will always uphold every guaranteed right, no matter what. There are certain lines we obviously don't cross, like we're not going to rendition people. You know, that's that's across the line. But they're making a point where a country is at war. A country at war can't be like, well, the West Coast was just invaded. A whole bunch of Chinese boats landed. They're currently taking over our cities. In order to do this right, we need to convene Congress to determine exactly what we're going to do and how we're going to do it. And then, you know, the session will resume tomorrow. Meanwhile, cities are blowing up, people being killed. The reason why we have an executive branch

is so that the president can make emergency decisions in terms of the military. So if we did get invaded on the West Coast or Alaska, the president does not need to go to Congress. He can be like, we have to act now. We are being killed. Boom, pulls the trigger. The challenge is when do we determine that we are in active conflict with people who seek to destroy us? If if foreign nationals invaded the US and started committing acts of terror, we would give them certain rights like international war rights and things like that. But for the most part, you're at war crazy stuff happens and the rules of war only matter when it's controlled in limited warfare like i think henry kissinger talks about right yeah limited war is his idea real war means nothing like i hear

these things like war crimes were committed i'm like yo that doesn't matter if there's a regime that commits every war crime in the book and then wins, the book will never mention a war crime being committed. And the idea of war crimes won't exist because the person who wins the war wins. So my point is simply this. People are people are pointing out in the super chat that he suspended the Constitution. Fair point. I agree. Not a good thing. But if we're if we're if we're facing an existential threat where a group of people are seeking to burn the Constitution to the ground, do we say let's protect those who are like you've got people outside a federal building in portland trying to burn it

down and we kept going well you know but they have rights so 90 days of firebombs being lobbed at a federal building and nothing being done that was just negligence i mean it was obvious crimes being i mean kyle serifin was on your show was there like they saw crimes and it was just shitty police work i mean let's just be honest. But we already kind of have, we have an established judicial principle about when we're allowed to violate rights, especially when it applies to things like religion. A compelling government interest, two-pronged test, right? And the least restrictive means. That's a pretty good guidepost for a violation of any rights, because you're going to have to violate people's rights, right?

You have the right to assembly, right? But if the assembly tomorrow was a call for the open overthrow via violent means of the United States and the assassination of the president, that's going to be broken up because there's crimes being committed. Like if you have a religion, for example, and the religion says, whatever,

it's Joey Bag of Donuts-ism. And it says, we're going to bloodlet on children until we take six pints of blood the chat is loving joey bag of donuts oh do that it's the most new york thing that you've been dropping i'm enjoying the hell out of it too personally only guy no but if it's we're gonna bloodlet children for six weeks straight take a pint of blood every day you have freedom but you can't because there's a compelling government interest we don't want the kid to die.

And the least restrictive means would be to come in and say, not lock people up and say, hey, is there a different way for you to celebrate that? Like, I don't know, maybe an animal sacrifice or something, right? So we already have established guideposts. But I take your point that one of the things i think we specifically in the united states especially liberals which drives me crazy tend to do and you know them well like you know more liberals than i do um is they tend to transplant our values overseas with this like spreading democracy crap that's why i'm not i'm like oh bukele's and like i'm not saying any of that i'm simply suggesting with this entire thing we have to understand that people around the world are, we are a very advanced culture and no American exceptionalism is not the

same as Greek exceptionalism. Like Obama said, it is literal exceptions. We are different, but that means everyone else is different than us. We are at the top of this totem pole and transplanting that to other countries and going, oh, if they just did it better here, broken windows in El Salvador. I get it. That's naive. I'm just saying like, we're more, we are, we are a very advanced culture and we're ridiculously rich. We have an established set of principles we should follow. And because liberals don't, I agree with your proposition there. We should never defend idiots personally.

If you say, hey, I agree with you a hundred percent. Hey, free speech sucks, ban conservatives. I'm not going to defend you personally, but it will absolutely defend a liberal's right in general big r god give a right to speak so here's i i used to be much more just like libertarian constitution and i still am for the most part i used to say free speech for everybody when a leftist got banned i'd be like nope they have to have their free speech protected. And then something changed. So let me ask you, do you think parents have the ultimate say in what their kids learn? We'll start there. Do you think parents have the ultimate say in terms of what their children learn? Yeah, but what's the limiting principle?

I mean, are we talking about teaching a kid, again, to assassinate the President of the United States? Well, the answer is no, then. Well, you're talking in absolutes nothing in life everything's on the margin there's nothing in life is absolute i mean i wouldn't answer any question that way do you think that's like saying it's killing wrong well it depends on the circumstance do you think parents have the absolute say in the medical treatments that their children receive no i don't believe in any no what if this says says, what if a parent says, I want to cut off the nuts of my five-year-old because they accidentally touched the Barbie doll?

So you're saying, so you think the government should be allowed in certain circumstances to intervene to stop parents who are giving or neglecting the actual health of their children? Isn't that everything though? What about the vaccine then? What if a parent says, I'm not going to give my kids

get my kids vaccinated should the government then come in and well again what's the compelling government interest there is that child not having the vaccine going to hurt someone else no it's going to hurt the child so there's no compelling government interest it's personal but wait hold on and second what's the least restrictive means the least restrictive means is just to leave it alone not to knack some kind of new law the argument is for uh mumps for instance mumps has started re-emerging because parents are refusing to get their kids vaccinated yeah but that's why they create the mumps vaccine mandate but you have an option against that like you could go get a mumps vaccine and you're not at risk that was my beef with the covid vaccine is the

whole point is they painted it out like it was a compelling government interest because it was it would stop community spread and then we found out it didn't do that and then we found out second that it didn't even stop you from getting covet either so yeah you know i don't like questions and absolutes because there are no absolutes it's like saying heat or no heat in winter that's not a real question it's like how much and this you know this is this is my point when the uh the vaccine stuff happened you had the left arguing the government has a right to intervene if parents aren't doing right by their children in terms of medical care there's a lot of questions about like parents make their kids vegan and then when it came to the issue of trans kids the right said the government

parents have no right to put their kid through this and the government should stop them. And many people have even said the parents should be arrested if they try and get their kid, you know, child sex changes, things like that. So there is no principle of parents have rights. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And if we don't have a, if there is no law that like principle of a parent has the final say, they don't, they don't have a a if there is no law that like principle of a parent has the final say they don't they don't have a final say we just have a a morality the left argues the government should not be able to intervene to stop a child sex change but the government should intervene to give a kid a vaccine the right says no the government should not be able to force vaccines

and parents should not be allowed to give their kids sex changes it's an inversion so the real issue is just the shared moral framework there are like you find that even leftists like jimmy dore would probably agree with the right position on not giving kids sex changes and there's a big distinction then between what the left and the right is simply on moral frameworks not on principles but those aren't morally equivalent you know again apply a simple test you're talking about a vaccine in one case that granted may have some serious side effects okay but as far as we know has not killed every single person who got it right but then you wait but then you're talking on the other hand about permanently altering a young child with no capacity for advanced decision making by cutting their nuts off like that's not the same thing that's why i I'm saying- It doesn't need to be for my point.

My point is simply that your morals are different from the left's. Yeah, because we have them. Like they don't have morals. Your point is accurate. The left, when you, see the left, the thing about the left is, the way people attack the left,

which is completely wrong, and I say on my show all the time, never do this, is they attack them on the hypocrisy front. I do it as a humor, a Linsky thing, just to embarrass him. You're you're shaking your, cause you're, they don't care.

The left doesn't care about a hypocrisy. They care about hierarchy and power. See, we have morals. We have a set of guiding big, our God given rights principles that we, I always say to people like we have an emergency break on our behavior that leftists don't have.

I cannot physically attack you as a principled conservative and beat the crap out of you because I don't like you like Antifa does to us because our rights come from God. But so do yours, even if your politics are freaking stupid. The left doesn't have that. That's why they freak me out. This is my point. If you identify those who share your moral values, if everybody in this country shared the same moral framework,

you'd need very little police officers. You'd, you'd, you'd need very little in way of law enforcement. Federalist 51, right? If men were angels, right?

Sure. Government would be unnecessary. But we're not. So the issue is now with the culture war is the left has no moral framework. Their moral framework is there is no truth, but power. So they will say anything. Amen, brother. with the culture war is the left has no moral framework their moral framework is there is no truth but power so they will say anything amen brother and the culture war right has christian christian moral framework whether or not people like bill maher want to understand it or accept it the reality is the constitution is rooted very very much so in christian a christian moral framework that is not to me that is not me saying everybody of good

moral standing is christian or needs to be i'm saying a lot of these ideas. I've talked about it quite a bit, like Blackstone the same time, we find it morally reprehensible for a government to mandate a medical procedure. The left just wants power. They will exploit our principles and argue, hey, I thought you were for parental rights. You said in Florida, parental rights. And the parents have final say, well, Jazz Jennings' parents say that Jazz should get a sex change. They'll try to exploit you on the fact that you have asserted this is your principle, and then they'll try to navigate through it.

My response is simply this. I don't care about that. I have a moral line. You cross it, I tell you to screw off. That means it's not about parents, not about principles, not about rights. Free speech, in my opinion, extends to those who believe in free speech. I will protect it for everybody who says I have a right to say it. The moment some leftist comes out and says, no one has free speech i will protect it for everybody who says i have a right to say it the moment some leftist comes out and says no one has free speech rights but me i say i look forward to you getting

arrested when you lose your free speech rights and i won't defend you that's my point that's my point yeah let's go to super chats that was some deep stuff bro i didn't even got an ibuprofen my thing is simply like at what point do we do we, hey, if we keep, if we're playing a game of Monopoly, like I said before, and they're cheating, and we just keep saying, all right, you know, we're not going to win. We have to at some point be like, look, you're cheating. I'm not going to play this game with you anymore. You don't get to play with me and my friends because you cheat all the time. So, and they're like, hey, that's not fair. Everyone's allowed to play the game.

Not you anymore, dude, because you're a cheater. The thing that sucks is the reaction reaction to like the left wants the reaction like they always complain about reactionaries but they start the dialectic they initiate what is going to make the right react then when they get the reaction from the right they can go ahead and say look we need to change this or change that because look at the reactionaries and blah blah blah the way that historically a lot of countries and this is not something that i'm endorsing the u.s doing the way that historically a lot of countries have dealt with uh with communists or leftists being what the what they are dishonest and and and having a different set of principles is it ends up being like fascism

like it ends up being like pinochet you know and that's not good but it's better than communists well that's what i'm thinking about we gotta we gotta get a super chance i want to tap this out man this colorado nine month abortion thing like if it's federally legal like the feds are not involved and it's a state rights thing i don't think you would want to send the feds over there to bust it up completely disagree uh that's the fascism route i don't know it's not it was not fascism for the union to be like no no slavery you know what i mean like hey we're not going to allow that human and it wasn't it wasn't i i know it's overly simplistic to say because that's not what the civil war was the civil war was with a wide range of issues part of why slavery the

emancipation proclamation was only after the civil war already started my point is if there are people in a state that it's like if colorado legalizes i mean i mean we'll just talk about nine month abortion like we are talking about something so morally shocking reprehensible the overwhelming majority of americans oppose it and the only way the left gets these things through is by lying to people and tricking them. It's why you'll often have these conversations with leftists. And I'll give you a really, really simple one. It really confuses me. Why is it that leftists are so afraid to say that they are homosexual? And it may seem like a silly example, but I genuinely mean it. Lance from the Serfs comes on the show and says that it is heterosexual straight for a male to engage in adult activities with another male.

So long as that male is effeminate. And I don't think he's messing with us. They're not. They've made this argument for 10 years. You got to pay attention to stuff. I remember seven years ago, they made. He said that if you trans lesbians exist and you are completely, you're completely wrong on this. He is man.

Anyway, so my point is, why are they so afraid to admit that they're gay? Because I got no problem with people who are gay at all. But this guy, Lance, comes on the show and says he thinks it is straight for a male to engage in activities with a male, so long as the male is effeminate. He even said to you, Ian, that if a male was to engage in relations with a manly, ugly woman, that would be gay. But it's even though I don't know. They've made this argument for a long time. Trans lesbians have their own flag. I remember this 10 years ago.

They were talking about if you are a female who won't date, if you are a lesbian who won't date a trans woman you are transphobic right and so my point is simply this if you're a male and you like males that's called homosexual because you both have the same you know makeup essentially wedding tackle but for some reason they for some reason they refuse to say they're like embarrassed they refuse they reject it they're not playing fair they're lying they won't admit what they actually think and they will lie to you to get what they want. I think the reason they're afraid to say it is because they know that if they go to a regular average person and say, you're gay, then they're going to be like, hey, screw you. No, I'm

not. So they lie and say, no, no, you're totally straight if you suck on that dude. You know what I mean? Or that trans woman. Sorry. It's a lie to manipulate people. The only way they get away with it. So my point going back to abortion. Colorado outright says there are no restrictions at any point in abortion. If you go to the average American and say, should a baby at the point of birth, should a doctor be allowed to kill that baby? One person out of 100 might say yes. A leftist maybe, how many leftists there are. But what if you say if the mother deems an abortion necessary, should there be any restrictions on that? They're going to say no, no, no, no,

because in their mind, they're thinking two weeks pregnant, a panicked mother who's impoverished or suffering some medical problem. They're not thinking about what the left is actually trying to do. Nine months. So my point is, if they're doing that at the governmental level i believe that violates the 14th amendment i believe that if a baby can survive on its own it's protected by the constitution and the federal government should go in and arrest every single doctor but and i'm not even staunchly pro-life i'm just saying if the baby can live no it has constitutional rights no baby can survive on its own they need constant medical attention no human can survive on its own i know then you are still adult humans can live alone no they can't you could get a homestead out there

most humans humans being social creatures for the most part struggle to survive i mean little babies will die within 24 hours or 48 hours so the duration to which a human will survive by themselves is no merit and whether or not they get constitutional rights oh well that's not what i'm saying i'm saying should an adult with no arms and legs be violent have no constitutional rights no then why wouldn't a baby i'm not saying that the baby shouldn't have constitutional rights okay then a baby has a 14th amendment right not to be killed um if it's the mother that's having an abortion with a it's not a human uh at that legally then i'm just talking about the law and that you got to leave it up to this i think you got to leave it up to local law enforcement this broken policing, broken windows policing policy wasn't the feds going in there

and breaking up New York. It was low. You leave it to the people. If they really think it's abhorrent, they'll police every step of the way throughout history. They've argued that the people that they enslave, torture and murder aren't real people. So I do not accept it. A baby that can survive. I don't like abortion.

And I'm pro-choice simply because there are very, very difficult libertarian questions on when the government is allowed to intervene, what knowledge the government is allowed to have. And within a certain time period, the mother and the doctor having to make difficult decisions. And I also agree that abortion is exploited as contraception, which I think is disgusting. However, at a certain point, if the baby can survive on its own, then I think killing it violates inalienable rights constitutional rights and my my stance then would be if if you have like this is what i was talking to lance about if the baby has to come out of the mother anyway why kill it if it can survive on its own that was great i i don't know if you know i played that on my podcast it's interesting because we're talking about you know you're correct in your assertion that the world is not black and white the whole pool of ethics is about gray areas ethics is entire courses taught in college

because really what in life is black and white i mean there's so few things right like i said yeah oh don't kill oh yeah definitely don't kill yeah but what if he comes in your house late at night tries to like to get out oh okay like nothing's real yeah something but ironically you brought up abortion that's the one area for me that's just absolutely black and white i get it other people have different positions i'm not indicting anyone here i'm just saying like my record of success on this is 100 right every single human being on planet earth ever has gone through conception that doesn't mean every conceived uh a person has been born some there's miscarriages,

you know, children die in the womb all the time. There's ectopic pregnancies. Things don't work out for pregnancy, but my record of success is 100%. There's not a single person in this room that hasn't been conceived. So, right. I mean, does anybody dispute that? So I'm, I'm, I'm a hundred for a hundred. You're zero for nothing. When nothing when people go oh i don't know when life begins yeah i do conception oh i got 100 success i really agree so just say now i would be more comfortable with leftists and i get it there's different positions i would be more comfortable with you if you would just be honest and say if life human life is inconvenient for me the mom or the dad i feel i should be able to exterminate it so i'll debate you on it but at

least you're honest they're just full of shit oh no no it's not a life it's like a clump of self and i'm a clump of self it's not a person until it gains personhood legally but i'm not talking about legally we're talking about black and white morals you're wiping out and exterminating a human life so is anybody uncomfortable with that like think about that they're not they're not the left is not but that that's kind of like you know i i we used to have this thing in my um my high school i went to a catholic high school double quotes two quotes that were related you have to think of something clever so one kid came in with a great one uh camu god is dead and he wrote uh camu is dead god uh you know like you you don't you if you i i get it like i i believe in my lord and savior jesus christ i'm a religious guy i'm not your preacher i'm not your rabbi i'm not your imam

you do you whatever man i'm just saying like i'm not taking that chance man you really want to go up there one day in front of the pearly gates and be like yeah i wiped out six kids had six abortions and i'm an abortion doctor and i wiped out 2 000 lives i'm not sure you're getting into that movie i'm pretty sure you're kind of fucked factory farming too we so we do gotta go to super jets farming man but i i do want to say some people are like shocked like tim said life begins at conception i have always made yeah but it's the difference between life and personhood are two different things oh well it matters no well no i don't listen if someone's a lot of things matter legally i mean that that's that's a that's a

non-sequitur like of course it matters legally we have laws that try to establish some bedrock bedrock of morality in a set of judicial principles and legal principles like i totally get that but i think the point of human life is absolutely black or white. You can't say like, well, we don't know when life begins or when it's a person. So don't wipe the kid out and guess. Like, what kind of answer is that? So I have a conversation with Glenn Beck that ends with a handshake, a smile, like, oh, these are interesting questions. And my position has always been, can the government mandate one person provide their body to another? When are where those limits and restrictions put in place? How does the government mandate one person provide their body to another? When are where are those limits and restrictions put in place?

How does the government informed? There's a lot of serious challenges there. If a woman. So the problem is if a woman is forcefully impregnated and says, I never wanted this, I don't want it. And you can't force me to share my body with another life form. I don't think the government can intervene and be like, nope, we are forcing you to provide your blood and body to this person that you never chose and you were responsible in

every respect the challenge then is what do they do they exploit the law for contraception which is disgusting and i don't have a solution there yeah but tim do you ever notice like when you talk about crisis pregnancies right grab a liberal any liberal and go okay tell you what i'll make a deal with you we'll pass a law tomorrow and support it every single rape or case of incest that there will be you can abort the child whenever you want in in exchange for saving every other life would you support it no i wouldn't so you don't give a shit you're just making that up i'm making your point i get it i'm not trying to be adversarial i may i'm just kind of doubling down on your point but because it's a crisis

pregnancy right which it is and i we should never ever diminish that. And no, I'm a guy. I don't know what it's like, obviously to bear children. There are two genders, liberals or idiots, right? I'll never understand that. And I don't pretend to, that doesn't absolve us of the responsibility of answering really difficult questions. Like, yes, this woman is carrying a pregnancy. She does not want that was imposed upon her in woman is carrying a pregnancy she does not want. That was imposed upon her in a brutal act. But that does not absolve us of the fact that we are then killing a child. And someone asked me this once. This changed my mind on this completely. I was at this convention there, and someone came up to me. He was a big pro-life advocate but a very nice guy very super nice guy and he said well why not just kill the toddler i mean it's child of rape

and you're like oh well why would we do that that it's alive it's a it's alive in the womb too and this is so this is the question that i asked these leftists i said two women conceive at the exact same time identically they're twin sisters who had twin brothers who both, they both, conception at the exact same moment. At eight and a half months, one woman is going into early labor because, you know, rough car ride, something shocked, and

then, you know, some trauma, and boom, baby's coming. Other sister, totally fine, sitting in the hospital bed, baby's not coming. I said, at eight and a half months, the baby comes out and is delivered perfectly healthy. The identical in every single way still in the womb can it be aborted and yet the left says every time yes and i say what's the difference between the layer of skin in front of it i i but we got to go to superchats because we're way too late i got i got to do it we're gonna read it and it's fine 22 says i love you guys tim did you see the ukraine

war has spilled into russia the belgarad region bordering ukraine looks exactly like western built insurgency have you guys heard about this at all yeah there's there's uh there's people talking about a separatist movement um i haven't read a lot about it i've seen a couple tweets uh i was going to dig in when we got done but it's possible they they we do dig into this in your post uh so don't miss it right there's a plug there that was like the first time it so uh we're not doing an after show we recorded a pre-show which will be up at about 10 p.m as soon as we wrap the show we're putting it live because dan's got a got a hard stock he's got a bounce but uh we appreciate you sticking

around we're coming in early so we could do the the pre-record awesome uh paul taskalo says epstein's former gulfstream g555 50 private jet is currently available for charter sold at auction change registration and tail number let me tell you more about it look me up pj paul with vault aviation gulfstream i'm gonna avoid those from now on like i've ever broke on their life we have a plane for it's a gulfstream g50 uh 550 private jet i'll be like no you're being recorded on that not even that i don't want to be in that plane i don't care what they do you can't clean that plane we're talking about turbo props earlier you're like hey bring that one up

you can scrub that thing with as much with all the bleach in the world i don't think that thing is getting clean no but we it when we do fly we do the lower cost ones. I'm going to give a shout out to VeriJet because it's like the cost of flying first class to fly private. And so if we need to do a flight for a show, like where are we just in Texas or whatever? No. You guys do road shows? And then you went to Florida. Yeah. Florida, we had to, like it's the only way to do it.

And you know this too. A lot of people will be like, oh, you're so rich and elitist for flying private. And it's like, if I didn't, only way to do it and you know this too a lot of people like will be like oh you're so rich and elitist for flying private and it's like if i didn't i couldn't do it i can't i can't work 16 hours on a friday and i've never been shy about that i'm like you know what i grew up above a bar my dad was a plumber my mom worked the checkout counter at finest i busted my ass man i tell people all the time like i'm a capitalist i'm not i'm like it's bernie sanders who's got a pop i'll fly wherever I want. I don't,

I don't, I'm not apologizing for anything. Well, I want, I want people to feel like when they support us, we're doing everything we can with our resources to win, win the culture war and not being frivolous with it. But the reality is like,

we're going to fly. If we fly down to, to do your show, the only way that's possible is if we get a private jet. Yeah. It's like, Oh, thank you.

You can hook it up. Paula, you got it? It's like, you know, I wake up at 8 a.m. I do the show. Then I work throughout the day. We're at the show at 11 p.m. And then we have a plane waiting for us. We have to speed to to get on so that I can get to bed to wake up.

This is what we had to do for the Valuetainment show. I'm like, yeah, I want to come down. I want to come on the show. I want to talk about these things to an audience that may not hear it. Is that Patrick Beth David? Yeah, he's amazing. Yeah, he's a cool cat, man.

He was on my Fox show a couple of times. He was awesome. He's a really good guest, man. In order to do it, we wrap the show on Friday, hop in the car and go as fast as we can to the local airport, hop on a private jet,

fly to Miami. I get five hours of sleep before I have to wake up, get cleaned up, hop on a show and talk for another four hours. And then no day off because I'm working again. Well, I told you during the break,

for us, it doesn't make sense to do it otherwise. Because let's say we're doing a certain amount of revenue per show. For me to fly and get caught in an airport and then miss two or three shows, it winds up becoming like the most ridiculous money loser ever. And if you shop around, you get decent prices.

It's not as bad as everybody thinks it is. Yeah, like I mentioned VeriJet. We had some issues with them early on that were really bad, but we gave them a chance. And these are like

flying SUVs that are super small. But basically, you get four adults and two kids in there and it's like the cost of first class. So it's not as expensive

as people think it is. But granted, this is not like a Gulfstream. It's a little pod like a flying SUV. suv but i think that's i mean look if you want to fly in comfort you get your broker and you get a king air or whatever and you get i don't have a jack i wouldn't buy i don't fly enough like i fly a few times a year that's it i mean that'll fly at all i live in florida like why would you leave you know exactly all right let's see we got here jake says i'm fairly certain that right around the time epstein was picked up acosta said on camera that he was approached and told epstein

was above his pay grade and belonged to intelligence very interesting you see i'm that reporter told me that this reporter is totally legit too she was not messing around when she told me that itsy bitsy spider production says system of a down is one of the most underrated bands of all time yes from the overlapping vocal ranges to the operatic structure that almost rival queen i'm sending i know i don't think they're underrated yeah i was gonna say there's bands in the world great like you can like them i totally get it but calling system of a down underrated that's crazy probably an inaccurate use of the term under you asked me six me six months ago. I told you I didn't like them. But hearing Toxicity like three days ago,

I was just like riveted. Dude, chorus and chop suey is probably one of the greatest things ever put to music. It's one of all time. Right? Tell me if your head ain't banging at the end of that, man,

and you ain't doing it right. I'm sorry. I listen to that still on the plane with the headphones in, blasting my eardrums out. That's so crazy it's like a chromatic it's like the the math is all weird like the rhythm is funky but they are yeah so not love it man it's awesome so you see c-dub says hey tim and dan i've been a long time listener for

to both your podcasts just at two years as a member this month is there any chances of combining forces with a venture like cast Brew and Parallel Economy? Timcast.com proudly uses Parallel Economy for our memberships. We love having Timcast. We adore Tim. Hey, listen, I'll answer for myself. I don't want to speak for Tim, but I have been seeking partnerships with Tim forever because I believe in new media. Tim was a pioneer. He was live streaming way before me. I don't say that to kiss the man's ass. There's no need for that. We don't do that here.

But no, man, you're a real pioneer in this. And if you and me and two or three others, and I think you know this, like there's probably about, and I don't say this with any air of pretension, folks. Don't take it the wrong way. I'm just basing it on pure numbers, me being in the live streaming business

and owning a chunk of Rumble. There are probably 10 people in the United States right now who can do what we do and bring the numbers. It's just a fact when it comes to political podcasting on our side, the libertarian right side, right? If me, you, and let's say a few of those others combine forces, I mean, we could start a behemoth mammoth of a company that would scare the living shit out of just about everyone in the political business. I was just thinking we should do a live event, do some collaborative. We got big news on the Miami event coming up, which I'm pretty sure I can just say. As of right now, it is my understanding, I am told, Matt Gaetz, Don Jr., and Patrick, but David are confirmed for our live show

in Miami. So good. When is that? Sometime in October. So I'm probably like right now, our events, people are probably freaking out. Like, what are you doing, Tim? Don't say it right now. And I was like, but when I told me that Matt Gates and Don Jr. definitely are going to

be there live on stage, I was like, can I, can I say that? And they're like, yeah, it's confirmed. Don was here. And I'm like, we got you coming down. He's like, yeah, of course. And I'm like, you want to come down? Yeah, bro. I'm in. I'm in. I'm committing coming down. He's like, yeah, of course. And I'm like, you want to come down? Yeah, bro, I'm in. I'm in.

I'm committing right now. Let's do it. This venue might not be big enough. We go to Miami. My daughter goes to Miami. We have like 800 seats. My daughter goes to the University of Miami. Maybe we should find like a way bigger venue.

Probably sell 30,000, 20,000 tickets, 30,000 tickets. But that's the kind of new media stuff that makes me proud. Like working with guys like yourself. And I love that you and I, we just had this two-hour conversation with your crew these guys are awesome by the way like great you got a great team you guys are really great man so easy to work with we disagreed we agreed on some stuff and yet we all agree on one thing like the importance of new media going forward we have got to give people options man we can't have like a monopoly on a

cable box anymore isn't it great that you can have your position on abortion ian disagrees with you you talk we move we have a conversation we're not liberal lunatics that's why i actually care what you have to say too well that's maybe part of why i'm able to disagree with people absolutely care yeah like i think i think we all are different positions on the political spectrum no one's like clawing at their face yeah because we're not cultists in their diaper or anything like that i was rubbing my head really hard earlier yeah all right yeah let's grab uh some more super jets trying as many as we can i suppose yes norm says rebirth of the militia act and fund the local

sheriff to be head of the militia i don't know what the militia act is what is that one i don't know what the militia act is but anything i mean if your sheriff is uh elected it's a good idea to be pro your sheriff and make sure that the the guy that gets elected is good so if there's a guy that's running that's good like help him out you know dude when the abolish the police thing was going viral i tweeted abolish the police and then the next i responded with and bring back militias but the point of this tweet was to exemplify what the left was asking for with quote-unquote community policing that's what militia was do you do your own twitter by the way oh yeah yeah yeah me too did you ever just say like some rando pisses you off on twitter and you like have to go at him for no reason. You ever do that? Yeah, not really. I mean, I might tweet at somebody sometimes.

I don't really read the responses. I spent, so on Saturday morning, I went and rolled jujitsu and I messed up my knee. Dude, you roll? No, not much. I try to, but I have a bad knee and I'm like a white belt. That's why I, yeah, I'm a purple belt. Yeah, man. That's why I'm all messed.

Look at my elbow. Yeah. That's both sides, bro. Oh my God. Yeah. Here's my shoulder. Look at that. You have a lot of surgery. Look at this. yeah man that's why I'm all messed look at my elbow that's both sides bro oh my god yeah here's my shoulder look at this you have a lot of surgery look at this

I got scars everywhere Jesus I've got like 20 scars on my chest muscles I kinda had to cut like tumors out all from jujitsu

no no the elbow the shoulders from jitsu my knee don't work my left knee don't work and then look this one was operated on too you see my arms don't straighten yeah left knee don't work and then uh look this one was operated on too this

is you see my arms don't straighten yeah that's really i got it i got i was i was i was anyways i was hooked up on the on the couch all weekend and the entire time i'm just fighting commies going at commies all weekend screw the commies i gotta read this one kane abel says tim what will happen at this point of no return is sodom and gomorrah or most likely civil war no one can reason with the left they've gone insane seamus coglan said in the show that uh i i don't want to ruin his quote because it was brutal but he said something like if god doesn't smite the united states it owes sodom he owes sodom and gomorrah an apology and i was like whoa whoa he went for it on that one yeah I know and I'm like I don't know like I felt kind of blasphemous

yeah listen man I'm long on the United States you know I am too I've been in such worse places before people like to point out that like you're the average empire lasted like 250 years and they're like oh the US has been around

248 or whatever blah blah blah and it like oh the u.s has been around 248 or whatever blah blah and it's like hold on the u.s has been around 248 it is it has not been an empire the entire time it has been an empire since the end of world war ii and however if the united states empire collapses it means the rebirth of the united states. Like what we would refer to as the U.S. imperialist structure is not America. It is a corporatist, neoliberal, neoconservative war machine. And that's exactly what Trump is opposing. When Trump says, bring the borders back, bring the manufacturing back, he's saying, make America great again.

And you have these corporatist establishment internationalist shills who want war, conflict, military bases. That's not America. That was never America. So I don't care if the American empire falls. Good. We'll get strong borders. We'll get shared community again.

We'll bring back jobs. There we go. We talked about tool, right? One great big festering neon distraction. Man. I keep you all occupied. Learn to swim. You know what song really speaks to

me is uh the sound of silence it may not be about today simon and garfunkel yeah it may not be about today but like those lyrics resonate still when it's like they bowed and prayed to the neon god they made i'm like it's twitter it's like you could stick you could say that song is about twitter you know people speaking without uh people, you know, or whatever. I'm like, it really does feel like whatever it is they were looking at. Cause I think they were talking about the free speech movement or something like that.

But I'm like, but that's when liberals were actual liberals. Right now. They're just, they're just straight. They are everything. They accused the right of being back in the sixties. Absolutely.

Right. Oh, that definition of the word liberals being totally right now. It's Rush limbaugh's fault because rush limbaugh in the 90s made the term liberal toxic he he beat the crap out of the left and he i mean at the time it probably wasn't you know it didn't matter but now the word which has a function and is actually valuable has been totally annihilated dude that's the thing is like it's it's not it's not the liberals it's the leftists themselves say liberals are the first to go we're the ones who are the problem yeah it's not it's not us all weekend i've been sharing i

have pictures of this graffiti that says liberals get the bullet too or there's scratch a liberal scratch a liberal a fascist bleeds. The far left believes that liberals are fascists. They see no light between liberals and fascists. Well, to clarify. The far left. The far left thinks liberals are liberals, but are the front line of fascists. Yes. Like they defend the fascists every time.

Yeah. I got to read one last super chat from Star War fan. Tim, I've watched for a long while but never donated before but now my best friend my dog misty has been diagnosed with cancer odds aren't good i've had it for 13 years i figured you'd sympathize after mr bocus give my best girl a shout out please shout out to misty you're a very good dog i'm sorry to hear it man it's always it's always sad but as i often say when it comes to uh you know your dog being sick and passing on or any pet that i just view that that that emotion you get that welling up is is your payment for all of the good that your pet

gave you you are now expressing and giving back like it all built up and was released. And everybody knows this is true that you would never trade the time you spent with your, with your dog, your best friend, if it meant relieving that pain, your feeling when they pass, the pain you feel when they pass is worth every moment to know all of the joy and happiness they brought you. So, so I'm sorry to hear that. It's, it's sad. I wish you the best. And for everybody else, thanks so much for everybody else, thanks so much for hanging out. Smash the like button,

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So check it out at TimCast.com. It will be live in just a few moments. You can follow the show at TimCastIRL. You can follow me personally at Timcast. Dan, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, you can check us out on Rumble. Rumble.com slash Bongino. And I definitely want to have you down for our show when we build out our new studio.

I want to bring the crew, too. These guys are money. We'll do a whole week of shows in Florida. That'd be great, man. That would so kick ass, man. You guys are never going to want to leave. It's beautiful. We were just down there, actually. I was playing poker at the hard rock seminal that was awesome

dude how do you do winter anymore man oh i like winter inside like all day years without winter and i'm always telling my wife i'm like what the hell how do we do winter ever you know it's like 70 degrees and i like snowboarding we haven't had fun fun. Can't do that in Florida. Yeah. Right on, man. It could have worked. When's your new studio coming up? Do you have a date? Hopefully by November, December. So I'm definitely going to hook that up.

That would be awesome, man. We would totally. We should like simulcast on your stream. We'd blow it up. It'd be like a quarter million people there. Easy. Let's do it. Let's do it.

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was uh also shout out to misty the dog you're doing it good luck rest well yeah heal up see you later and i am surge.com. Yeah, I'll be in the chat today. I'll be in the comments rather. Follow me everywhere, please. I enjoy talking to you on Twitter. I enjoy arguing with you on Twitter. This is a good one.

Thank you, Dan. Appreciate it, man. Thank you, guys. It was awesome. I appreciate it. Can't wait to do it again. Yeah, it's going to be good. Down in Florida.

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