Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #790 Project Veritas SUES James O'Keefe, Bud Light DROPS From #1 Spot w/James O'Keefe

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

Tim, Ian, Seamus, & Serge join James O'Keefe to discuss the new lawsuit launched against James O'Keefe by Project Veritas, a whistleblower claiming a Project Veritas executive is planning to resign, & James O'Keefe's new company 'OMG.' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

project veritas is suing james o'keefe and his new company and uh it's a crazy story i think it's a death knell for project veritas as an organization going after james in this way but we do have major breaking news related to this uh we have right now uh apparently a resignation letter from one of the executives at veritas i don't know if this is related to the lawsuit against James, but I believe it likely is. Because I have to say this is for Project Veritas to sue James is basically them saying we're done, we're over and whatever goodwill, whatever good faith, you know, people may have had in us after James left is completely gone. So we're going to go over that. And of course, we have James here to talk about that and more.

And then I think that'll be a heavy portion of this show because we're going to be getting into a lot of that story with James here. But we do have other stories about Bud Light being knocked off the top spot. It is no longer the number one beer in this country. Modelo is, which in the United States is not owned by Anheuser-Busch. Internationally, it is. But here it's Constellation Brands. They have all the rights to it.

And then we have far left is actually getting arrested. This is actually a very, very big story. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is arresting people for fundraising on behalf of these activists. These, well, I should say extremists because they're attacking a government facility. The left says this is going after legally protected speech and fundraising efforts for legal defense, but I think they're lying, so we'll get into all that. Before we get started, my friends, head over to castbrew.com and pick up your order of Cast Brew Coffee. It is our company.

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You might want to grab your microphone. Oh, there it is. There it is. Usually my microphones are tiny and hidden. Yeah, yeah. This one is, there's actually two ones in the way all right sir everybody knows who you are but uh how are you i'm doing great a lot has happened since i last saw you guys yeah uh omg no more veritas omg so give us a quick introduction to

where you are now well i started a company called omg i got the t-shirt i brought some swag for you too oh very nice we'll'll put it on the wall. OMG, we break stories that make you go, oh, my gosh, righteous indignation. It's a private company, subscription-based news organization. I started it March 15th, the Ides of March. It's been very successful. And it's a private company. I 100% own it.

And I'm very excited about this vision, which is to decentralize journalism because people no longer trust institutions. So we've got to equip thousands of people. I've been talking about doing this for many years, Tim. I've talked about it with you. But I think the time is now. I think I'm ready to go do it. So that's what we're doing. Right on.

And, of course, with the breaking news, it's good to have you here. We can talk about what's going on and get to the bottom of it. So thanks for hanging out. Absolutely. We've got Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes. My name's Seamus. I make cartoons. I also make podcasts. So I have a podcast called Shamer that airs on Rumble on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I also have the cartoons

Tim mentioned. Those are over at Freedom Tunes. We're going to be releasing a funny video tomorrow. We were going to be releasing a debunkers video today, but unfortunately there were some complications. So we're going to be releasing that one in this next week, but I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. And I think you're going to like tomorrow's cartoon as well. Hi everyone, Ian Crossland here. Happy to be here. James, good to see you, my man. Great to see you.

Been what, a year and a half or something? Something like that. Well, we'll talk more. I want to get down to the bottom of this. Hi, I'm Serge.com. It's a pleasure to meet you, James. And I'm excited for tonight's episode episode so let's get started guys we actually have a couple big stories related to this but i think we'll just start before the the breaking story we have uh it's a resignation of an executive i think we'll get into that but we need to give context first so the first segment we have from timcast.com james o'keefe and media group sued by project veritas action and action committee project

veritas founder allegedly ran amok, put his own interests ahead of the outlet. Former CEO and founder of Project Veritas, James O'Keefe, has been sued by his former outlet. O'Keefe Media Group and two former employees of Project Veritas, R.C. Maxwell and Anthony Iatropolis, am I pronouncing that right? I believe so, yeah. Are also included in the lawsuit

for allegedly breaching their contracts for the benefit of OMG. They say O'Keefe allegedly ran amok and put his own interests at a Veritas, which asserted the outlet's founder failed in his duties and caused serious and significant damage, according to the lawsuit, which includes Project Veritas Action Group as a plaintiff. The lawsuit note lawsuit notes O'Keefe was suspended but not removed as a member from his former role in Project Veritas' CEO and president of Project Veritas Action Fund on February 6th. So I want to just simplify this. They're saying that, James, you, in the lawsuit, you have no right to start a company. You have no right to do the work you've done. And this was the shocking thing to me. The work that you have

historically done before Veritas during veritas and now after they say is proprietary to project veritas so so what what's going on in your words oh um how's life how's life that's a that's a macro question um may i may take a couple minutes to just say a few things oh yeah say what are you on grab that microphone microphone. Monologue it, maybe. There you go. Let me just tell you a story. How about that? And I'll end with the answer to your question. I've been doing this for about 15 years.

I started in college, so I guess that's probably more like 20 years, but in a major way, 15 years. Along the way, I have been, you know, there's been a lot of arrows sent my way and at my team because when you're the tip of the spear you just get a lot of flack right i think we all know that and then maybe these days it's directly proportional to the amount of flack you get but i mean i have been um i've way back when i i received a letter from planned parenthood threatening to jail me for working with Lila in California because of the Statute 632, the penal code.

I did the Acorn story with Andrew Breitbart and Hannah Giles. They sued me for recording in Maryland. I had to raise money to pay lawyers. I was arrested by the FBI in January of 2010, falsely accused. They said I entered under false pretense, even though I showed my ID. I spent three years on federal probation. And it is while I was on federal probation

that I founded Project Veritas in a garage with no money, credit card debt, negative equity. It was against all odds. And while on federal probation starting that company i was sent criminal grand jury subpoenas by the state of new hampshire in 2011 2012 for exposes in new hampshire um i was sued countless times for defamation uh including one by shirley teeter i won that in federal district court at jury verdict and nobody reported on it. I mean, I could go on and on

with the amount of flack and arrows that my colleagues and I have taken. There was one story where I was chased down the highway by a teacher's union official in New Jersey, chased down the highway. So now they run away from me me but back then they ran they they followed me on on interstate 80 in in uh in new jersey alissa ploshnik was her name and all the defamation that almost makes you want to just say i can't i can't do this anymore particularly if you're sane and rational and i could go on you know and i don't

say i don't say these things to to come across like i'm a victim that's not what i'm getting at i i love what i do i'm passionate about it i say it because the human aspects of it um it's different it's different when you're taking on all these arrows it hits differently when the arrows come from the people that are ostensibly supposed to be your allies i've taken a lot of arrows i never thought i'd be taking them in the back it just feels different um there's a great article by by dr malone which i want to talk about with you we'll talk about that later but um um i want to say that i have i agree with you tim that i feel untethered i um i want to say that i have i agree with you tim that i feel untethered i think you said this back and i think it was march or april yeah i feel free

you know after jobs was fired from apple he said i i actually one of the most creative periods of my life i i didn't have the weights that that you know buried me down in many ways this is a blessing so i feel liberated. I'm very excited about what I'm doing. I've got 1,100 people on a CRM, citizen journalists around the country. Wow. And I'm dispatching them.

That's something that I wasn't doing previously. So I'm very inspired. I'm very hopeful. And I've decided to kind of take the high road here. I think I need to do that for myself. I'm still going through this, whatever this is, and I'm learning about human nature. And of all the things I've learned,

I probably learned mostly about like board maintenance. I didn't really, most people don't realize 501c3s are run by boards. They're not owned by anybody. And that creates its own issues. And I never really paid attention to that part of it. I ran Project Veritas

like I was the owner. Even though I wasn't, I took responsibility for everything. So it's difficult to watch your own creation and lifeblood attack you. And I've moved on because that's what I've been asked to do. creation and lifeblood attack you. And I've moved on because that's what I've been asked to do.

So we're in a very strange situation in space and time right now, and there's a lot to unpack. But that's in a nutshell where we are. So what's up with this? When did you learn of the lawsuit? I mean, this is dropped today, right? I learned because Will Sumner of the Daily Beast called my phone. And whenever Will Sumner from the Daily Beast calls you, it's usually not, hey, gave him your number?

Hey, everyone's got my phone number. Yeah, that's when I learned of it. Oh, wow, wow. So, well, do you want to know? I don't know if you can actually say anything. I mean, the obvious thing is when you're being sued, you just don't talk about it because you've got to say in court well that's the process is the punishment right so i was i was raided by the fbi uh in september november 2021 and the process is the punishment because and i talked about it and but but that's the thing the lawyers say don't talk

about it yep and i have to make executive decisions about what I can and should say. And that's what this whole thing is designed to do. It's designed to shut me down and silence me. This is not the first time I've been through this. So I went through the lawsuit a little bit, and I have it here. I have it pulled up, actually. And their relief. Let me show you the prayer for relief.

This is what Project Veritas is asking of the court. It says, Declare O'Keefe in breach of his employment agreement in violation of his fiduciary duties and in violation of his duty of loyalty. Declare Iatropolis in breach of Do you want me to bring this up?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Declare Iatropolis in breach of the Iatropolis agreement. Declare Maxwell in breach of the Maxwell agreement. Declare OMG to have tortiously interfered with the employment agreement. The Iatropolis agreement, the Maxwell agreement. Declare O', declare OMG to have tortiously interfered with the Employment Agreement, the Eotropolis Agreement, the Maxwell Agreement, declare O'Keefe to have misappropriated plaintiff's trade secrets. That's big right there.

Declare O'Keefe liable to identify plaintiff for the cost of defense and or liabilities arising from actions taken by him or his heirs or omissions. Issue a preliminary and permanent injunction enjoining O'Keefe and OMG from soliciting or contacting plaintiff's donors, employees, or contractors, disparaging plaintiffs, obtaining, using, or disclosing plaintiff's confidential information, and keeping and failing to return plaintiff's property. Now, some of these things, look, I understand, like, you got to give the property back if you have any, whatever that may be about but the there's some things here that are the

trade secrets what what you need to understand in this is here i you can respond if you if you can or want to the way i see it you started james you started project veritas you brought trade secrets they then it it seems like an institutional capture with one of these guys on the board apparently having pronouns in his bio or something. All of a sudden they're telling you you're locked up, you're suspended, stop doing your work. So you go off and do your own thing.

And then they say, Nope, we own those. The, everything that you built, we own every technique, all the methodology. Those are ours and you can never use them again.

That effectively says the methods of James O'Keefe can never be used by james o'keefe right then and and the money that was raised and that i raised taking lots of black cars around to raise it i don't know if you get the inside joke there but uh they say there's black cars are inappropriate um was raised to expose corruption and now is being used in an effort to stifle my efforts to expose corruption. I want to add to this. How does that work? The black cars thing. Black cars. You drive around in these SUVs or whatever that are very expensive.

I'll tell you guys a story. We did an event in New York. And we had very serious security threats. We had security running around the building looking for individuals who we believe were involved in very serious threats and swatting and things like that. So when the event wraps and they're like, here's your exit, Mr. Poole, I'm like, yo, there's like 100 people out there and we're under like tight security conditions. So I need to like get out. James like James says, I have a vehicle for this reason. Come with me. And then James brings me into an SUV. there's a reason why you have vehicles like this

to use that against you when you are the target of threats death threats like ridiculous law enforcement raids i mean who's funding this what money are they using to pay for this is it 5 1 c 3 money i mean donors who gave to Veritas are paying them to sue you right I mean bear with me for a minute it's going to take about 90 seconds I want to read something to you you know Dr. Malone the guy who did the stories about COVID and very smart fantastic very smart guy very you know Robert Malone I've become pretty close to him recently I was having dinner with him but he wrote this a few months ago I just want you to listen just bear with me for two minutes um remember that story about Pfizer with the cage fight? This happened a few days after that.

These are Malone's words, and I just want to read them before you're honest, because this is profound. He wrote this on like a sub stack or something. Without knowing the details of all this, this episode has all the earmarks of a terrible institutional problem in nonprofits that we've seen many times before.

All it takes is a remarkable success, big infusion of money, a weak, jealous, confused board using disgruntled employees as shields. The board develops a backwards looking focus, taking apart the success. Why did management take those risks? Why did the head of the organization not consult with us? Why didn't the head of the organization follow industry established practices? How come the organization's president did not do something different than what he did to establish long-term success which is a word that they use long-term success i remember there's one one time i raised a million dollars and they said well you could have raised 10 million if you

did something differently i was like what why did they do it above all why is this guy getting all the attention other insiders in the company start consulting with the board and the plot is hatched all it takes is an investigation. Some claim the guy at the top is making everyone work too hard. And then people get burned out. You can fill in the blanks with complaints and there's always something somewhere. The scheme usually involves claims of financial nonsense, such as office parties or helicopter rides.

Once the decision is made to oust the guy, he really has no chance. All that remains is the need to find a pretext. Next thing you know, next thing you know, the unthinkable happens. The hardest working, innovative, and most effective person is out.

The board keeps the money. The disgruntled staff gets their pound of flesh. And everyone who stabbed the guy in the back gets a raise. And life goes on. I've seen this many times before at non-profits that kill the goose lays the golden egg the achievements gradually die the organization maintains some name recognition and they become a letterhead this is the triumph of bureaucracy over achievement i had a found i had a founder tell me that it's actually a fight

against excellence itself that was it took me a while to understand what he meant by that it's a tragedy but unfortunately very common particularly at hospitals and churches and part of the problem traces to the structure of non-profits they're not owned by anybody so there's a committee whose job is to hire and fire the ceo but they're not meant to manage the company they're not meant to manage the company they They're not meant to manage the company. They're supposed to put a leader in charge because you can't lead by committee. That's Stalin-esque. The board hires the president.

The president hires and fires a staff. The board is unpaid, which usually means they have no reason to be involved in the operations in the first place. But all the while, they have a sense that they should be controlling things, even though they really understand what's going on. So that was Malone,

who's spot on spot on the the looking backwards thing's brilliant they they attacked all the things that you were doing without pointing out veritas is extremely successful because of the things you have done and continue to do they stop it in this single moment out of the entire context of the life of Veritas and say, look at these things he just did, instead of saying, look at the things, the similar things he's been doing that have led to our success. So they can make it seem like Veritas was always where it was, and only now are these things causing problems. The moment of greatest achievement often carries the greatest risk.

And it's a cliche, right? You know, you get the flack if you're over the target. But what I've realized, I was just doing a Twitter spaces downstairs, is there's a lot of evil in the world. I think the evil is getting more evil, but there's also a lot of good. And I saw a lot of, I mean, it's a blessing because I was overtaken by a sense of gratitude for all

the really good people that were around me. And I was overtaken with a sense of gratitude to see who people really are. And you need to be very strong if you're going to do this. Again, another cliche. We think we know what that means. You don't know what that means until you've been raided, until you've been targeted and attacked and sued and defamed. And the more effective

you are at your mission, the more those people are going to do that to the people around you. So you better surround yourself with really strong humans who can withstand blistering attacks, whether they're true or not doesn't matter. These are, this is kind of a allegory for, I think, what we're going through in the country right now.

I think this is sort of where we are. It feels like Veritas was captured. Yeah. And it seems like the purpose of this suit and everything they've done has been to stop and to silence you well i've moved on i've i've started a new deal i'm we just posted the rfk podcast which is really great um i don't know if you've seen that just posted today we talk about fear his uncle jfk i've got reporters as I speak undercover everywhere. I'm trying to do my job. I'm focused on the future. And I, you know, the forward looking glass of a car is bigger than

your rear view mirror. But this is why it seems to me ideological, because you've moved on. Well, and look, look, look, after you leave Veritas, everybody says James O'Keefe is Veritas. People are very critical of Project Veritas. Donors came out in your defense. All everyone and Veritas, their leadership, they could have come out and said, fine. Look, guys, we want to keep doing good work. We wish James the best. You know, you may not be happy with how things went, but we're going to try and make two

good things out of this instead of just a fight. The fact that they've gone after you, this says to me, it is more about ideology because if Veritas was truly trying to do good work, they would realize that this lawsuit is basically a stake in the heart of Veritas. What little was left that people believed in with Project Veritas is now completely gone because they're attacking you. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if there are issues with what you were doing were truly the things that they claimed they were when they ousted you, they should have no problem with you going and doing your own thing. I got the feeling that it was personal. I wasn't around you when you were

going through it, but I imagine you were high stress and you were just like, I don't know if you were lashing out at people or just making demands. and then they were like, we've had enough of them, we can't take them anymore. And then they just, but are you still on contract with Veritas? No, I was fired on February 10th. So they say they never fired you. I say they did.

And our lawyers say they did, February 10th. Because if you're still on contract, then there are clauses usually in bylaws for 501c3s where the board has to agree that you can make private profit off of anything related to the foundation. But if you're not on contract with them, that's another story. I think. I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I would surmise. Well, we've got breaking news, ladies and gentlemen, in relation to this. So we received a message from April Moss. She is a CBS Detroit whistleblower,

a meteorologist, whose story became public in June of 2021. She says that she's obtained an exclusive copy of a resignation letter from Dan Strack of Project Veritas, and that she stands by James O'Keefe, currently working on the story. And there is some personal information, so I'm not going to show the email, but I do have it. It says, Today I sent the following email to the Board of Directors and Leadership, Project Veritas Board of Directors. Please take this email as notification of my resignation as Executive Director

of Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action. I am honored to have worked alongside some of the most dedicated and driven people I've ever met. I promise I gave it my all. I want you to know how much the past 15 months have meant to me to work with and for you all has been incredible. The past four months have been the

biggest challenge I suspect most of us have ever faced, at least in our professional careers. It is important to me that you know I tried my best. I know you did as well. I am sorry if I let you down. Why now? It's complicated. The truth is that I no longer know how to help. I will never forget any of you. You are amazing. The world needs you. Take care of each other. If I can ever be helpful to you at all, please reach out.

I hope our paths cross again. And that's Dan Strack. So you know him, obviously. Yes, he worked for Goldman Sachs, and he was the executive director that i hired uh 2022 2022 so he's so uh i don't know do you know anything about it he's resigning i mean this is related to the lawsuit that's news to me and uh uh you tell me what you think i mean i i don't know if this uh uh so we're receiving it from another reporter and whistleblower well april was was a whistleblower for cbs news she was a whistleblower like two

years ago she was a meteorologist and she went live on the air and said she's going to expose her own network so so she's going on to do other reporting we've not received confirmation from project veritas that he has resigned so other than that i don't know if you can say it's confirmed or whether or not we know for sure that he's actually resigned but it seems plausible at the very least i try to be a bit more careful on these things right i'd rather have a statement from project veritas confirming yes he did resign right it was so i'd have to see what april is there is there a picture or something or uh there's there's a screenshot of the resignation email looks like from someone's very dirty laptop yeah and then she just says she has obtained an exclusive copy

of resignation letter uh from dan well if that's true then dan dan's resigned i mean the the number two guy at pb is is out i don't know when but um i don't know when either interesting timing it's it's it's interesting timing i think it may be related to the lawsuit. I mean, the role of a, the role of a board and a nonprofit is to hire and fire the CEO, which is what a board should do. What a board should not do is run the company. You can't, you can't lead by committee. It doesn't work. So that's very interesting timing.

And there's obviously more to the story there. I think his resignation is, is probably related to the story there i think his resignation is probably related to the lawsuit and i have to imagine it it look if you work for veritas especially as veritas is suing james o'keefe i mean your career is going to get nuked where you're going to go everyone in the media has has lied about you and called you propaganda fake news and everything so you're not going to cnn now veritas is attacking its its founder who is beloved by the community so you're basically saying if you keep working there well they need there needs to be there needs to be a leader like people people there needs to be a person like my understanding of companies is that again

if there's a board they hire and fire the guy at the top. So the question is who's in charge? You can't, you know, a board doesn't run a company. A board appoints the person that runs the company. There's nobody running it now. But there has to be. There has to be. So are we taking issue with the reality that there needs to be someone at the top?

Is that the issue? Because whoever it is, they're going to be faced with the same dilemma that I had. I have to raise a lot of money. Let me go back to this. I have to pay lawyers to defend myself with this deal. I'm not a wealthy man. For what I was raising, 20, 25 million a year. That's 100,000 a day. a hundred. That's if you're working a 14 hour day, you know, that that's, that's thousands of thousands of dollars an hour. So if I, if I have to get from point A to point B, yeah, I'm going to get in an SUV because I'm on the phone with sources while with my other phone on the, on the phone with a donor, while with my toe

on the phone with an employee while typing on my laptop because that's what I do. And you need someone who's going to walk through walls. And by the way, what is true, and this is a mistake, I will admit a fault of mine. On Monday morning, I don't ask how your weekend was. I don't say, how was your your Thanksgiving I probably did that twice should a good leader ask you about that? Probably but I'm so busy trying to raise money for all these freaking lawyers

to defend myself from all these lawsuits because everyone wants me to fight back and stand on principle and stand on truth and not bend over and take it and settle so there's a price there's a price to pay to not bending over do you do you think it was a mistake starting veritas as a non-profit i don't regret anything in my life because everything that i have been through has taught me so much in many ways this is not a new story. There's nothing new under the sun.

But in many ways, this is a new story. We're like, no one's ever gotten this far in the video game. I mean, I'm happy that I went through what I went through. Because I had, at the time, you know, I had to go through that. It was like, I was in a garage in a 300 square foot, like halfway house looking piece of shit garage with negative equity. And I'm like, well, I got to make the video. But in order to make the video, I got to buy a microphone.

In order to buy the microphone, I got to go get money. In order to get money, I got to raise money. Okay, put the video out. Okay, now I'm being threatened with lawsuits. I got to raise money to pay lawyers. So what vehicle do I need to get to get the money to raise? Okay, I get into 5-1-C-3. Okay, to get a 5-1-C-3 okay to get a 5-1-c-3

i need a board let me get the board it was like you know it was a means to an end yeah and you know the way the way i see it now is it's remarkable to see that over the span of what 13 years you uh 12 and a half 13 years you build up to to the point of 25 million dollars a year seven million on lawyers. $7 million on lawyers. On average, every year. That's why everyone loves them. Last year, it was in the last few years, $4.5, $5, $7, $7 million.

We file public tax returns. This is all public information. $9.90 tax return. $7 million. I had lawyers making over a million a year, which is double my salary. You can look that up. Apparently, some lawyers are still making some money

off of Project Veritas. And I got to raise money to defend myself here. The process is the punishment. How are you going to raise half a million bucks? People say, how do you do that? If you go to my Telegram page, there's a link. There's a C4 that we have. I'm not on the board.

I'll tweet it. You can donate. But Tim, I could write 30 war stories. I was in court last September in DC, federal court civil trial. They sued me for breach of fiduciary duty, trespass and some other things. Jury trial, democracy partners.

Bob Creamer, that was the video on cyber violence. I was in a sensory deprivation chamber, AKA a federal courtroom for like a week and a half in Washington, DC, which is its own hell hole. Because when you're in DC for 24 hours, it's like a spiritual and a half in Washington, D.C., which is its own hellhole, because when you're in D.C. for 24 hours, it's like a spiritual attack against you. And there's a jury, and there's all these lawyers, and I'm on the witness stand,

and I could have probably settled the lawsuit, I don't know, for something, a couple hundred grand, maybe a hundred grand. But I chose to do what I thought was the right thing and not settle it, and go to the Supreme Court if I had to. Millions, over a million dollars spent. It was the right thing to do. But to do that, you have to walk through walls.

You have to do things that people don't want to do. Like Michael Jordan said, leadership has a price. And victory has a price and and you know are we willing to pay it you want you know why um news like what you do is so fleeting i mean i think you do but for the audience the rhetorical you i've told the story before because i've encountered this literally talking to heads of media. You get a guy who comes into, you get a journalist or a media guy, and he goes to the investors and says, I want to do this investigative reporting and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance. I need investment capital to get started. And the venture capitalists and the business guys go, awesome, fantastic.

This sounds really, really good. So what's our return? And you say, well, you know, this kind of news does really, really well. Millions of views, 10 million views, 20 million views. It's amazing. And we can sign up people to be members, support our work. So, you know, we could be looking

at a very lucrative enterprise and say, yeah, yeah, yeah. But timeline-wise, when are you going to get the story? When's the first big scoop? Right. And you say, well, I don't know. We have to do the investigation and they say how much does that cost that's going to cost three hundred thousand dollars for the preliminary investigation and they say and how much do i get back from that well we don't know we're investigating a story we have no guarantee the story pans out the way we think it's going to that's right and they say i am not going to invest millions of dollars or even three hundred thousand unless you tell me when I get my money back.

Then someone else walks in the room and says, don't listen to that guy. I'm going to launch a news company, and I'm going to get you a $2 million return in three years. And they go, oh, wow, how are you going to do it? We're going to publish clickbait garbage nonsense and complain about people's politics. Because it's cheap. And they go, bang. Because you work for Vice, right? That's right.

Shane Smith. Yep. It's funny, Shane Smith. My executive assistant's name is shane smith with the y not in any and vice's uh unique value proposition was we go there i think i saw a billboard in new york times we or times square we go there yeah something like that so their unique value proposition was they actually go on the location they're reporting on and then around 2014-15 is when things started to shift and they said well you know and then they started relying presumably this is my opinion more on ridiculous clickbait articles and so this is a really important point investigative reporting is like outrageously expensive like beyond what people can fathom, because even sending people like flights, hotels, you know, it costs a lot more nowadays. Lawsuits. I mean, we're talking you're right. Hundreds of thousands dollars do one story.

So if you're a businessman, if you're if you're a venture capitalist and you want to make a profit on this, good luck. Good luck to you. You know what our budget was for a three day shoot? We got a story, boom, breaking. There's civil unrest happening in this country. The president may get ousted. We're sending a crew down, 50 grand. It's a bigger story. It's going to take a week or two weekends, 100, 200 grand.

And that was cheap. You've got salaries, camera equipment, travel. You got to have insurance on a $30,000 camera. Not to mention lawsuits. Legal. You got people who are going to be detained entering the country. You got people who are going to be pulled out by cops

because they're covering this stuff. You've got four people have to go there. You've got security requirements. You've got security briefings. You've got health. If you're going to Egypt, you got to go in for all these different vaccines. You, you, if you're a businessman

and your purpose is in the night, I wrote a book about this called american muckraker in the 50s 60s and 70s there was integrity there were bosses with what i call balls maybe you prefer huevos or testicular fortitude whatever huevos eggs balls bosses with balls okay i'm just gonna say balls and then people in the comments be like well i don't have balls i'm a woman okay whatever, whatever. What's a woman? 2023. Whatever.

People had balls. They would say, you know what? I'm the cigar and the fedora. I'm going to spend that money because it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. Doing the right thing is expensive. It comes at a cost. But it comes at a human cost.

But it was also, to a certain degree vanity to a certain degree because you had people running these institutions saying we're going to be the best news organization that's ever been and that means going there that means going there and we can we can but my philosophy was always since day one day one my core value my tenant was whatever it does cost i will get that money to do that thing so that was was my raison d'etre was, I'm gonna go do this project or I'm gonna go get the story. If it costs me 1.4 million to get it,

I'll find a way to get the money so that I can do the thing. Now it's, let's get the money. Forget the thing. Let's focus on the pursuit of that thing over there. Journalism is anathema to the commercial imperative. Yes. And you know what I think happens with, let's just say, insert hypothetical media nonprofit.

After a certain amount of years, people get involved and they start saying, hey, we're making $25 million a year. That story is a little bit risky. I kind of like the way things are going. That's big money. Now, I never thought of it that way because I work my I work so hard I mean I work so hard to raise that

and I never celebrate it I never celebrate getting a check I only celebrate getting the story and if someone on my team says oh you got a check for 100 grand I said no we celebrate when we get the stuff when we publish the story that's

when we celebrate but yeah i mean i guess you could think about it and you look at the numbers and go wow that's some big money well i can i can do that i can i can do that hell with that guy he doesn't know anything he doesn't work in private equity he doesn't know management he's not even get a harvard mba i'm gonna go in there and do that i i bet it's it's it's it was very painful um but it was necessary for me to get to the next evolution of what i'm about to do i would be willing to bet that the near absolute majority of people who have given to project veritas if they heard a story about james o'keefe boarding a private jet to fly down for a vacation in Miami Beach with a nice suit and sunglasses. They'd be laughing and clapping, being like,

this is exactly what the man deserves it. This is success. This is victory. If someone like James O'Keefe can live in style with the work that he does, we're on the right track. So the idea that you simply driving in a car was somehow offensive or detrimental to the organization is laughable to me. What I was saying before is, look, if you launched a private company and from the get go and you brought in members and you ran it as a membership, you know, like you're doing now with OMG, you'd post a picture of yourself top G getting on a private jet with a Bugatti or whatever. And people would be going like, yes! Like, not only are we winning, but James is flaunting his success to show all of the corruption

and to inspire young people that there's a path to success. Well, Elon Musk says that private transportation is the one thing that can maximize your time because you can have two meetings or three meetings in a day. Oh, absolutely. I woke up in New York, I had a meeting, I went to Wisconsin, I had a meeting and I had Arizona. I had three meetings in one day and you're running a company,

you're raising, spending 100,000 a day. Your time, this is basic economics. It's so valuable that it becomes imperative for you to get from this point to this point. Obviously, everyone knows that. But Tim, we did a story on OMG. Speaking of my new company, we did a story on the FEC. We knocked on doors.

And we just knocked on doors. It was expensive. We had to go to Maryland. We got to go here. We got to go there. But now citizens are knocking on doors. They're inspired. They're running around the country.

What can i do it's it's a fraction of the budget of these media corporations and we're still getting results so this is what people need to realize the path to luxury wealth comfort high society has typically been for a long time garbage. It has been people going on TV with big fake butts in. And that's fine if you like it. I got no beef, but I've always asked myself, how come firefighters don't get paid more money? Oh, it's like, oh, we can't put it in the budget. We can't. Well, the police salaries are super low.

These leftists want to abolish the police. They complain about cops. Like, well, cops don't get paid very well. It's not a job people want to do and feel good and safe doing it's high risk yet sports play athletes celebrities get paid ridiculous amounts of money and the person who is in a movie posts a video of themselves boarding a private jet with a you know fancy dom perignon or something and everyone says if i want to succeed and have wealth and luxury you have to be a vapid pop culture salesman. There's a lot more here that I could say that I'm not going to.

Because I really, sorry, there's a lot more here. I don't want to get into the, there's some things I could tell you that would make you go, what? But I don't want to be goaded into going there. Because I think that's what the intent is here to try to get me to do. But there was something about like, people should be making the same money or there shouldn't be a disparity of,

the CEO shouldn't be having a different form of security versus this old guy here. Well, this guy's getting attacked and his life's threatened. So do we want to get paid equally? So some of this doesn't make a lot of actual sense. Institutional capture. I mean, the Southern District of New York,

the Southern District of New York is where the FBI raided me. So now I'm being sued in the SDNY, a jury trial, in order to issue an injunction against me to stop exposing corruption by the organization that I founded, which is, which mission is, the state of mission is to expose corruption. And they've issued a injunction to stop the founder from exposing corruption. They have issued an injunction to stop the founder from exposing corruption they have issued an injunction or i'm sorry they issued a federal lawsuit to to request the federal courts to to stop um investigative reporting like i always say like you brought this stuff to netflix they would like laugh at you this is crazy shit um but just another day in my life just to wrap up my last point, we should be happy to see James relaxing on a private jet. We should be like, you do good work. You stand up for something honorable. You help this country. You get rewarded for doing it. Instead, and I don't mean to just put this on you. It's

something everybody has in their mind that if you're going to do non-profit work you should be poor and i'm not literally every single person but i used to do non-profit fundraising and i have to explain to people they're like did you hear the ceo of that non-profit gets paid a million dollars and i was like good wow which which non-profit i didn't know you did that oh i worked for i did fundraising for a whole bunch uh i did i did fundraising for greenpeace i worked for the perg groups i worked that's right a handful of others some of those are 501c4s cameras there he actually saw you working you would be surprised but it's actually a good place to probably have some i think you're right tim i think i think there's nothing wrong with taking a helicopter i mean

taking a helicopter home i i know i know people who do that i won't name them but that's that's a standard industry practice if you're a 20 30 40 50 million dollar company you get home so you can get a good night's sleep so you can wake up fresh and go to work and go to meetings and go travel but they're it's just part of it's just part of business i think the issue is that people look at things like hopping on a private jet or a private car as luxury instead of necessity well what is the root of all socialism? What is the socialism? Envy. Envy. What is socialism really about? It's about envy. It's not about hating the guy who's achieving something

and successful, tearing him down. When in reality, what we should be doing is lifting everybody up. But my point is this, it's misplaced too. So I get a request like, Hey Tim, we want you to fly out here and come on this show. And I'm like, okay, I only fly first class. that's not because i'm like i deserve exactly it's because okay i'm gonna be working 16 hours today i can catch a red eye after work i gotta go to bed

i'll sleep on the plane which barely works and i wake up feeling like crap but i'm willing to do that it sounds like it sounds like envy to me yeah that's an envy thing which has no place in in uh in in strategy or or or corporate governance or anything like that that that's that's an emotional uh thing well tell us about omg now omg has been very successful um got my swag here uh omg o'keefe media group so that when they type in omg it can't be censored because it's a commonly used acronym on social media. That's brilliant. And this is a very ambitious vision,

which is to effectively create Uber for journalism. So instead of just everyone being on my payroll, I want to equip everyone to go do what I do. So I get hundreds of messages a day, please investigate this school board in Utah. I had a lot of Canadians message me today. That was interesting. And what we want to do is equip them, give them cameras and to go have them go do this and open source my knowledge. So everything I've learned about what I do, I'm producing a series of masterclasses on ethics, on ethics law technology and i'm teaching people

how to do this because i think it does require some skills it requires being being trained and educated and i'm going to open source that i'm going to put it behind a paywall o'keefe media group.com you can subscribe it's 20 a month and um you can get access to this information we have a database of like 1100 people and we're deploying them and we're doing as i speak they're in the field recording follow-ups on pfizer the fda the government the deep state the administrative state the three-letter agencies school boards teachers media companies um we want to help everyone but when people say hey james can you please go do this story now i'm saying saying, no, you go do that story.

It's on you. I'll give you a camera. I'll ship you a $500 camera. I'll teach you. But you got to figure it out because I can't do it all myself. It's not sustainable. One of our biggest stories is now getting Congress to act. This is the Act Blue donations that were being funneled into different homes.

Individuals with like 10,000 donations on their name and things like that. That's crazy. How did you find out about that? That was found out by a citizen journalist in Wisconsin, Election Watch. Peter is his name. And he just went on the FEC website. He's like, well, that's odd.

This one guy. This modest guy in Annapolis has made like 10,000 donations. And I just went to knock on his door. And they said, well well i'd like to donate that many times but i didn't yeah so so it's leading to congressional action now yeah right on i mean imagine if the rest of the media actually did that and followed those leads instead of publishing articles on why star trek was racist but that's the thing writing writing an article about star trek being racist clicks super easy

yep and and what's happening is this kind of of media is becoming dominant and then it results in surface level understanding of the world hyperpolarization and people focusing on things that are substantially less important you get youtube channels where they're like we're gonna make our 160th video about dave rubin and i'm like but dave rubin's a guy on youtube like you can talk about the president i you know uh i think we we talked about david packman and i unfairly criticized him for talking about trump so much and now i realize no that's actually fine like if you're going to talk about the president a thousand times i totally get it you're right you should if you're going to talk about aoc if you're going to talk about people

in positions of power and authority heads of industry that i understand if you're going to claim that a youtuber who ranks at like number 1000 no that's just that's just vapid e-drama but it's easy to make it riles people up at the lowest common denominator it makes money and it's very difficult to do the research people want to hear their opinion being uttered by somebody else but that doesn't actually change anything i mean why don't journalists do this i my theory is they don't do it because if you actually point a camcorder or a hidden camera in any direction in a bureau or a government office it'll contradict what you see on television you know like reality contradicts narrative the other thing is i i think

i think i've always said that we hold a mirror up to people and they don't like what it is that they see they they they hate the the person who holds the mirror up to them so i mean going back to the citizen journalist thing we had we had people that are so humbled that the mirror up to them. So, I mean, going back to the citizen journalist thing, we had people that are so humbled that we reached out to them. This Texas people I was speaking to, there's a group of people exposing something local in Texas. And she was shocked that OMG, that James O'Keefe would send her a camera like,

well, you're going after like Pfizer and the Pentagon and the deep state. So why would you talk to us? I was like, well, you gotta start local, gotta go to your local school bar meeting, right? But Tim, you were downstairs with me and I was on the Twitter spaces and someone said, well, you got to start local. Got to go to your local school board meeting. Right. But Tim, you were downstairs with me and I was on the Twitter spaces and, and someone said, well, I don't know where to start.

And I said, have you gone to your school board meeting yet? And she said, no, I didn't know I could. Don't, doesn't have, don't have to have a kid in school. I was like, no, you're a taxpayer. Go to your school board meeting. Yeah. Put on these little cameras and talk to people in the hallway and see what you come up with. So we're, we're starting there.

Do you hire them or do you have them as contractors or do you just no send them stuff to start we send them we have a form on our website o'keefe media group.com you click on the link and there's a citizen journalist request form and we just ship them a camera provided they're not um insane or stupid insane or stupid uh we'll send you a camera and uh you and you'll have to maybe perhaps sign a waiver and then we'll pay you. We had a young woman in Minnesota record her official in college saying, shh, a transgender person will be in your room

as your roommate, but we won't tell you that they're transgender. Saying this to her and she recorded it. Wow. And we paid her a thousand bucks. For the footage? For the footage. Okay.

Well, I think that's a very important mission because you're putting a lot of emphasis on what's happening at the local level. And it's good to focus on national politics. Obviously everyone in this room does that, but for individual people in any given community to be involved with their school board and then also be able to see like undercover journalism on what's going on at their school board i think is incredibly valuable i think so too it's so

necessary dude all i want is because i'm a big fan of veritas the people i know at veritas i love them the people i met the people i obviously you, you're like my brother. I mean, I don't know. We know each other pretty well. Band of brothers. Yes. You did Henry the- The Simple Few.

Four part two, yeah. The Simple Few, yes. And I want you guys to succeed O'Keefe. Do you think that there's a way for these organizations to both just keep firing on all cylinders? Absolutely. I wish them well. I hope they do what they do. I want everyone to do this. I think them well. I hope they keep, I hope they do what they do. I want everyone to do

this. I think everyone should do this. I don't think people should stop people from doing this. I don't think we should, I don't, I don't think it's, I think it's against the first amendment to stop journalism and stop trying to use the federal courts to stop journalists. I've been sued so many times in my life. I had teachers union in michigan filed an injunction against me in 2017 randy weingarten actually filed a restraining order against me because i published a document showing they paid off fifty thousand dollars to someone who's accused of raping a child wow and they issued an injunction in federal court against me now i've defeated that injunction they they were demanded an injunction. Well, they initially got it.

It was a temporary restraining order in federal court in Michigan. This is still going on. Five years later, I haven't settled the case. Now, I'm not in charge there anymore. But you see what's at stake here? Oh, so you're out. It's like, okay, Veritas, I saw yours.

Well, no, I didn't want that to be the case. No, I know, yeah. But whoever is in charge has to now deal with this dichotomy of, okay, I got to raise ridiculous amounts of money to fight on principle, or I can settle and give up. So in Michigan, this was a document where it was paid off 50 grand. We got the guy in hidden camera saying he knows what he did. We published the story. We get sued.

No one comes to our defense. Hundreds of of dollars i'm deposed i go through depositions in um with these with these lawyers for the teachers unions and and that's its own form of torture um but uh but that's the price you pay so for this company omg for o'keefe media group are you is it like you're obviously private right now? Do you have any ambition to take it public? I'm taking it one week, one month at a time, probably not. I mean, I have trust issues right now with ownership. I 100% own it. I haven't taken on any debt. No equity. We had a very successful launch. We have thousands of paid subscribers,

which is pretty good for an organic launch. Yeah. And we'll take it from there. We do have a 501c3 and c4 that I'm not on the board of. I posted that link to my Twitter. Liberty Guard's a c4. They're going to help pay for legal defense to pay for lawyers and and private citizen which is a 51 c3 liberty guard and private citizen if you

want to donate and get a tax deduction to help pay our legal costs you can donate to to those organizations are you with them do you work for them no their boards just are their mission is to is to defend citizens who are being under attack and being silenced uh like in this case so they'll take donations to support uh paying the attorneys oh it's just insane how much of this is lawyers and just legal fees non-stop people have no people have no people have no idea i didn't i mean well i knew that for what you were doing you ended up getting sued a number of times so i figured that that was a problem for you i didn't. I mean, well, I knew that for what you were doing, you ended up getting sued a number of times. So I figured that that was a problem for you. I didn't realize how much that added up. Well, it was also like the legal system is expensive.

This case in 2019, jury verdict in North Carolina. You probably none of you knew this. It was like a jury verdict. Woman sues me for defamation for quoting. I quoted. We quoted Scott Fovill and Scott Fovill is saying what he said. And they sued me. I don't know why they're suing me. They should sue Scott Fovill. And it gets all the way,

I had to fight it for like two years. It goes all the way right before the verdict. The jury's coming out of the box and the federal judge gavels the case and goes, and I'm paraphrasing, federal judge, Article III judge says, can someone please tell me why we're here? Wow.

And the lawyers, the plaintiff's lawyers these are these are like the hillary clinton to make money group right i don't know how this old woman could afford like five lawyers that's another story i had two one of them was blind the and that was intentional because the jury sympathized with him as much as they did her justice is blind justice is blind and and the judge goes if you sit is directed. Justice is blind. And the judge goes, if you, this is directed at, this is a transcript, directed at the lawyer. If you sued Mike Wallace, I realize Mike Wallace is dead, 60 minutes. But if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing James O'Keefe for, everyone would laugh

at you. And you should have seen the look on these lawyers' faces. They were like, whoa, we didn't expect that. So sometimes you have to fight it all the way to win legal fees it took last year we won back 15 grand because in the united states it's capped you yeah right you don't you don't we got administrative fees back oh so that that covered what one like faxes and like copy scans and things like that it covered i think people need to understand this if someone sends you a demand letter

or a threat or an intent to file and you go to your lawyer and say, okay, how should we respond to this? They'll say, well, we'll draft a response. 15 grand, bang. That's why everyone loves lawyers so much. Yep. Well, I don't point the lawyers.

You've got a firm of people. They got three people on it. They, the really good lawyers charge a lot of money they got three people on it they the the really good lawyers charge a lot of money because they're really good and you want to win but i mean look i get it but i'm just saying it's it's it's it's absurd it's ridiculous how expensive people but i want but there's a point buried there that i want your audience to understand i had to fight it all the way i think i think that i'm i'm i'm saying the cost of the total cost of that one deal, 1.5 mil, 1.5 million to do the right thing.

Cost me 1.5 million. And what did I get? I got a check for 15 grand four years later and crickets. And I'm not complaining. I'm not a victim. I don't want your pity. I don't want your sympathy. I am trying to make a point.

Do you know how many late night dinners? How many car rides, how many airplane trips away from my loved ones that I had to take to raise that money to pay those lawyers? And by the way, more power to the lawyers. It's the free market. They deserve to get paid $1,000 an hour and they won.

But the price that has to be paid is so central to the journalism itself. You can't tell the story without also paying that price. And nobody gets that. But James, wouldn't you have rather spent a million and a half dollars on some beachfront property and a landmine or something? I could have. I could have spent that money on a hundred other things. But I cared so much in that federal Article III judge,

Reitzinger was his name, reading the Riot Act to those lawyers. And by the way, cameras are not allowed in federal courtrooms. I wish they were. But there's a transcript. You can read it. I think there's relatively few people left who admire the abstract when it comes to value i think you're one of them and what i mean is

as i mentioned before vanity played a role in why news organizations would do serious investigations why they would expose government malfeasance why they would publish the pentagon papers or the afghan war logs and things like. And it was that it feels good to be recognized for doing something good. And we've lost and we're losing a lot of that in our society. So my assumption, James, is that when it comes on like this, I feel similarly. I say this, would I rather have like, I don't know, a Ferrari in an infinity pool? Or would I rather have really great journalists? Do you know that when that gavel came down, it's called a rule 50 directed verdict. Directed verdict means, you know, a judgment notwithstanding the verdict or right before

the verdict. And the judge dismissed the case. Wow. Everyone that worked with me in that courtroom was crying. I was crying. Russ Verney at the time, what was our head of our legal department was crying. My blind lawyer was hugging me. I cannot describe the feeling it felt

like to be in the right, because every once in a while there is a taste of justice. But how did it get so far? That's a rhetorical question. Our system is a little broken and the system of justice is broken and that's horrible couldn't this couldn't this judge right away just been like summary dismissal get out of my courtroom right away he's got a duty to get those lawyers paid let's be honest motion to dismiss you could have won on motion to dismiss i mean i i was prejudice as you know my

courtroom don't come back we also sued the new york times for defamation and got past motion to dismiss yeah and i was motion to dismiss. Yeah. And I was about to head toward, you know, Tucker Carlson was removed from Fox News. And we see all these text messages, right? And let me go through all your phones, Daily Beast, New York Times reporters, and look at your text messages to people. Let me see. If you want to live in that, let's live in that world. And I was going there.

But I'm not in charge anymore. Oh, so that lawsuit's ongoing yeah wow i mean this could be a big part of it i mean somebody meets with somebody else and they say hey look man this o'keefe thing's really bad for everybody why don't we grease your wheels a little bit and you make it go away it's crazy what's it worth the way that 501c3s are organized is so it's like no fault divorce like you have you need three people to start a thing and then the two of them can immediately get you thrown out i don't even think they just come together and like we had a board meeting you're out you're like dude i just i just paid six grand to start this thing and they're

like yeah we decided you're out you're like where's the charity like where i understand you can get free money donated but i don't trust non-profits i'm in the process of starting one right now and it's like geez i'm sweating it's it's it's it's so insane you have to find really strong people and the question is how do you evaluate whether someone is strong i mean you don't really know until you go through hell with them so you have so you have to go through that to establish whether they have testicular fortitude you know that that henry the fifth um quote that we were reciting their manhood's cheap you're the impressionist right i don't know if i could do him for he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother this story shall the good man teach

his son for he today who goes through hell with me shall be my brother. Be him ne'er so vile, however low born a man may be. This day shall make him a man. And gentlemen in England now abed shall stand accursed they were not here and hold their manhoods cheap while any speaks that fought with us on this day. The people that remain by my side, like Arcee, and I'm getting emotional here, but they're like my brothers.

They have been through hell. They have been through absolute hell. And I have seen such goodness in people while also seeing evil. But the things that keep me going is the goodness, you know, in people. And there's a lot of good people out there, you know? What's some of the best stuff you've seen? The people out there in the country who message me and say,

I will always have your back and I want to do what you do. And I need your help to do it. Those are people keep me going. Are you inspiring people to start their own companies? I'm in, I want to inspire people to go do what I do because I think they can take, take down one man, but they can't take down thousands of people. I think they can, they can defeat one man, but they can't defeat an army. They can't defeat an army of people. I think they can defeat one man, but they can't defeat an army of people. Or multi-million dollar lawsuits,

massive multinational corporations. I'm ultimately not worried about the money because I think it can be raised. It's not a zero-sum game. If I have to raise 50 million, I'll raise it. Whatever it takes, we'll do it to get the job done because there's so many people in this country. Like I go to the airports and TSA and backseat of Uber.

I mean, the people that like even, I'm sure you get recognized all the time, Tim, but like, it's crazy. I mean, I had dinner the other night in a restaurant. Someone came 10 times in a row that came up to me and they all say please never give up please stop doing don't ever stop doing what you're doing please don't ever give up they're they're begging me not to give up so that that i mean that that keeps me going and and uh

i went to a small farm store about six seven months ago and uh was in there just shopping little local produce stuff they asked me what i did and i was like oh you know i do a political show and stuff they're like oh really cool really cool what's it called and i said it's all called tim cast and they're like oh that's really really great and you know what do you talk about i was like oh this that or otherwise and they're like you know i love and i was like who and like james o'keefe he's so great do you know james o'keefe i'm like i've heard of him yeah he's he's really great and Do you know James O'Keefe? I'm like, I've heard of him. Yeah, he's, he's really great. And they were like, we need more people like him.

And I'm, I'm just sitting here like, this is really cool. I know that guy. The balance is like, cause people are going to name their kids after you. Probably you too, Tim,

but like your ego, like, come on, man. How do you balance your ego? Like, I imagine the last couple of years was fucking insane for you. Like just so much pressure and focus on you and your name and like the that's

a good question and and and and in many ways you have to be wired a certain way i think if you're an artist you're not a political person i think the the the game the the process they put you through prevents your ego from being a thing in the first place because the responsive power is nothing more than responsibility so when you're when you have to raise a hundred grand a day like that'll that'll mess up your ego because i gotta wake up at 6 a.m i gotta work till one in the morning i gotta run the company be the face be the talent and deal with all these lawsuits when you're a witness in federal court that'll get your ego destroyed real fast um you you you you people don't realize that power is nothing more than just responsibility and when you have all this response i mean the fbi came my apartment point

guns at me take my stuff it's like a sword of damocles hangs over your head and at any moment in time and then you think oh they're going to get me on obstruction of justice and perjury that that that that process will humble you real fast your office is destroyed by a hurricane mine was i had to rebuild it i had to raise you know so you you your ego you'll get you'll get destroyed your ego will get destroyed i think i'm i'm a fortunate man because this process i've been through over the last six months it like it it it humbled me but it didn't destroy me and i think and i think that's rare for a man to to go through that yeah there's a a really great quote what you're saying reminds me of the uh venerable archbishop fulton machine once said that maturity is pain plus responsibility.

And I think that rings true here. A lot of people have pain inflicted upon them, but then they don't carry it in a responsible way. And so they never develop as they need to. They want all of the power with none of the accompanying responsibility. And it's nothing but responsibility when you're in charge of an outfit like that. And it is a spiritual war now. And a humility is an ingredient for a work ethic, I think. You said a moment ago that something to the effect of money is responsibility or power is responsibility. I think there's an interesting moral dichotomy.

The left views, doesn't agree with the idea of power being responsibility they believe power is something to be is for them to wield for their own luxuries and desires and then there are people on this side who view it as a responsibility to those who have who have uh given you a portion of their power so that you can can concentrate that I think about that with, you know, what we do here and what our goals are. I see that in what you do and with what your goals are. That every day, and I'll get as nerdy as possible for all the anime fans, it is Goku doing the spirit bomb. For those that aren't familiar, it's in Dragon Ball Z when Goku asks all of the life of the world to lend him power so that he can defeat the bad guy. That's how view power those are the things i grew up seeing and and you know i know it's

dorky nerdy whatever with people who aren't fans of anime but the idea is as a child i'm growing up looking up to the heroes who say please but a small piece of your power so that i can do something great the responsibility to wield that power responsibly, the requirement that you do it, is a moral obligation in my opinion. So for everybody who gives to TimCast.com and becomes members, sure, I could say, we're a for-profit company. I deserve this money. I built it. I'm going to do whatever I want with it. I don't.

We launched the TimCast newsroom, which is a financial detriment in a sense we we lose money having journalists do this work as you should but we have to do it because there's two ways i see it one we do an opinion news commentary show it is not the hard groundbreaking uh journals in that project veritas was doing under you or what you're doing now with omg but i think it's you're probably one of the best in the business when it comes to that beat. I appreciate it. But I also recognize we have to, as people are basically saying like, we love this show

and what you talk about, we're going to give you a small piece of the power that we've accrued so that you can wield it. I don't immediately say something like, oh man, it'd be really cool if I built like a massive skyscraper with an infinity pool. I think let's hire a whole bunch of journalists and take that energy and focus it into something massively net positive for the world. That's why even when it comes to like the coffee company we started, I'm in the hole $250,000 on starting the coffee company because we need to build products that compete in the cultural space. I'm in the hole another

couple hundred thousand on starting the coffee shop because we need to compete with woke corporations. You know, I think about it all the time. I'm like, man, if I shut all this down and just did one small YouTube channel or made three videos per day, I would live like a king and never have to sweat ever again. But I but there's someone has to be calling out what they see as injustice. Someone has to be like you, James, actually doing the work and inspiring others to go and build strong moral frameworks for our country and inspire people to be good people

and to do the right thing. And that is we have an obligation to the people of our country and our planet to use our abilities for the betterment of the world and for the people with great, I'll say like this, with great power comes great responsibility. But power isn't just one day you stumbled across a winning lottery ticket. Power isn't just you made a lot of money at your job. Power is you're talented, you're smart, you're capable. I believe that we as humans have an obligation to, to the best of our abilities, use our gifts so that we can make the world better for everybody else. Absolutely. Well, I mean, that's an important Christian belief. We will be held accountable for our talents at the end of our life, how we use them. It's their gift.

Not to shy away from some kinds of pain. You guys were mentioning pain earlier. I think, how did you phrase that? That there's... Oh, yeah. I quoted the Venerable Archbishop Fulton sheen or venerable archbishop fulton sheen he said that maturity is pain plus responsibility i've been thinking about pain because there's different kinds of pain there's some types of pain that are like stop doing this whatever is happening right now make it stop because this is an indication of pain that there's damage being done then there's other kind of pain that indicates growth like the breakdown of muscle so that it can regrow it's very true yeah if you can withstand that kind of pain and understand the difference between that and actual warning signs and another thing that rosanne barr told me recently was that

and i hope i'm not breaking her confidence but i intend to visit with her in texas soon we're like she's a creative i'm a creative i don't know about i i assume you're creatively motivated we're creative we make music and art right right you give your music business and everything i mean i'm a creative so that's what motivates me i'm motivated by like creating the project telling the story doing the thing um creative people this this whole process has created a little disillusionment in me which at first i thought well that's not good because am i going to lose my idealism but rosanne barr told me that what makes a great artist if you're an artist illusion separates you from god and separates you from reality if you're disillusioned if you're if you're getting rid of your illusions you're going to do a better job of

capturing reality and we are witness to reality if you're a reporter you're going to do a better job of capturing reality. And we are witness to reality. If you're a reporter, you're reporting on the truth, you're reporting on the world around you. If you're an artist, you're doing the good, the true and the beautiful. So to be disillusioned, I think is a good thing. It's a sign of wisdom. And to your point about muscle, that's a great metaphor. Like I totally agree with that. You go through i mean the the pain it's like beyond the sword of damocles the fbi that's still ongoing i'm still under federal criminal investigation like three years later they have all my stuff as a sort of damocles it's painful but you become stronger for it and it's going to prepare you for the next thing which is worse but hey your muscles are

bigger by the way you guys know where the gym is dude keith by the way ripping up 20 pounds of muscle do i look like i know where the gym is james come on do you are you religious man i am i am a religious man yes i'm a believer were you always i don't know i don't know how to answer that i think i think uh no no no, no. I think it's changed throughout my life. Do you find that you've become more spiritual? Definitely. Definitely. Especially in the last year and a half.

I think it by, I don't know what pill there is, white, black, red, green. I don't know how many pills. All sorts of colors. I don't even know what that means. Panoply. The thing, the moment it hit me, the moment I don't know how many pillars. All sorts of colors. I don't even know what that means. Panoply. The thing, the moment it hit me, the moment I was like, whoa,

because I've been doing this since I was college, was when I was banned from Twitter in April of 2021. That's when it hit me. I was like, shit's about to get real. That was the moment for me. For whatever reason, that was just, I woke up. I was like, oh my, they took away my main distribution mechanism. Wow. elon led us back on december 2022 a month

before the pfizer story which was god's timing that was your biggest story right providential praise jesus that was the biggest that was 40 50 million views wow which is like more views than like the the world cup scoring video like that was. Like that was by a factor of 20. White pill. Crazy. White pill? Yeah, that's the white pill. That moment is the white pill.

The moment of optimism. You begin to feel that you're on the path of success and that goodness is. And I confronted that Pfizer guy in the restaurant in New York. I don't know if you guys remember this. And they locked you in. Oh, yeah, yeah. They locked me in the restaurant. If you haven't seen this know if you guys remember this. And they locked you in. Oh, yeah, yeah. They locked me in the restaurant. If you haven't seen this, it's like a sitcom.

It's wild. And the guy's like a high up at Pfizer. And they lock me in, which is like, I guess, false imprisonment in Brooklyn. This is in Dumbo, Brooklyn. And I'm being locked in the restaurant. And the guy is smashing. He takes the iPad out of my hand.

I know you do a good chris hansen impression why did you take a z over there that's unbelievable thank you thank you what were you thinking messaging a minor so i walk up to the pfizer executive like chris hansen i'm like is this seat taken i remember it was it was a brilliant what's my life forgot my line it's you're like can i sit here can i sit um Is this seat taken? And the guy's like, he goes to the five stages of grief in two minutes. It's really remarkable. He's like, oh my God, which is the name of my company.

That's a double pun. And he goes, oh my God. And he goes, you can't be here. You can't do this. And then he goes, I'm literally a liar. Remember that? I'm literally a liar. It's like, but you expect me to believe everything you're telling me right now

and then he proceeds to smash the device as if the only location of the video is on that particular device that i had he smashed this is this is the guy who went to yale medical school smashing and meanwhile he's he he like assaults my crew and i'm backing up and i'm backing up and i'm thinking here you know what I'm thinking I'm thinking I need to make sure that this whole deal is recorded because the cops are coming oh man and then and then a week later I was removed from from uh Project Veritas it's hard not to think that it was connected you you're that or it was just getting so big that it hit some sort of breaking point.

Right. I hear a lot of stories where people say something like, oh, my friend recommended this mind altering drug. And I don't mean illegal ones, I mean legal ones. They're like, have you thought about anti-anxiety medicine or depression medicine? People are on how many pills these days? I think even family family i made a joke

about it where uh lois like cracks a bunch of different pills and she's like all of my different prescriptions and then eats them and she's like tomorrow i think this is a new idea or something like that like something is is going on in this country with big pharmaceutical companies in terms of just mass cranking out so many different drugs and they have they make such tremendous profits and they sponsor so many different media organizations that all of a sudden big companies are like hey nobody bad mouth our sponsor i don't know if you saw the story that omg two weeks ago with the tucker car the fox news nightly producer saying that the advertising dollars influence and fight we get money from pfizer and um i did a podcast with robert kennedy uh i intend to interview trump kennedy and desantis but i did an hour-long deal with with

kennedy and he told me a story of when when he was uh talking to someone at fox i think it was ales at the time who relayed to him that if you go on the air and talk about this stuff rupert mardock will will kick you off the air. So this is real. This is, you know, this is a real influence. And I think the story is just to your point, I think it's going, more of it's going to come out. I don't think we've, we're not done with the Pfizer beat. Don't you worry. I think what, what we see with you, James, with OMG, with what you were previously doing with Veritas, just your work in general and the people you've inspired. We need people, young people growing up, knowing that you will be championed.

You will be not only championed by your peers, you will actually do good things that help make the world better if you stand up on strong moral grounds, reject corruption. And so when I hear that story of the guy in the store and he works for Pfizer and all that, he said, I'm a liar. And then he tries to smash the device. And I'm thinking about here's a guy who will privately to a random person admit to malfeasance.

Yeah. But then once he finds out, people might realize he's doing wrong. He tries to destroy the evidence and lie about it because he knows he is doing evil and he is scared that people will find out. That's kind of a scary thing. He literally says it's bad for America in the video. Right. It was insane. It was like a cartoon.

I literally made a cartoon of it, but it was hard to parody because of how over the top it was. I couldn't believe this guy was openly. And at one point he's like, you're not like one of those hidden camera guys, are you? I was, oh my goodness. Yeah, they can't, they can't. That's why people don't do this because it would expose themselves. It would expose the whole rotten thing.

But you're going to say something. No, I just, we need to get to the point where we restore the sense of, I can't do that. That's wrong. Yeah. Instead of, I'll do that as long as no one finds out. Well, because that's ridiculous.

Exactly. We don't care if we do the right or wrong thing. We care about our reputation. That's it. That's right. That's exactly it. And there's a weakness. What people are forgetting is like, it's not necessarily these are bad people.

They're weak people. I've seen a lot of weak people. And when you're doing the right thing, sometimes you can't be like a nice guy. You can't just go along with it. You have to take a stand. And that moral compass is everything. The weakness versus the strength

is what I would say is the problem. We need strong people. I know it's a cliche, but, and then you have to figure out how do you, how do you test for that? I think about that mentality of, you know, this guy does something he knows is wrong and bad and harmful, just as long as nobody finds out.

And it's, it's remarkable to me because I'm wondering, you know, does he have no scruples? Does he have no inner sense of, I just can't bring myself to do this? They, it's, I just don't understand how people could have this within them to say yeah i got no problem doing it as long as nobody finds out there was one time that the twitter guy was on a date with the undercover journalist and he goes don't tell anybody this but here's a secret email that the the project erita sent out and our reporter has to has to uh mispronounce Project Veritas in order to not be burned.

So every single- I laughed at that. I was like this. That was wild. No offense to like your reporter, but I was like, that is the most, like I'm clearly pretending not to be in Project Veritas statement I've ever heard.

And the guy still keeps confessing. I'm sitting here and I'm being texted by my team and they're reminding me that every time they're on an assignment, the reporters, the subjects are asking, are you at the hidden camera? Are you working for James O'Keefe? They always say that.

And then they still tell them all their information. It's insane. Everything. Because it has to do with, I guess, a narcissistic trait in humans where they just can't admit that, how did you put it? They can't admit they're wrong. How did you say that earlier? Because you were on point.

Evil exists in people. They're fine with doing it so long as no one finds out. That's right. That's exactly right. I think what happens there is sort of a microcosm of a much larger human problem, which is that when people don't develop virtue, what they've essentially failed to do is subjugate their emotions or their passions to reason. So even though they know, okay, it wouldn't be reasonable for me to tell someone I barely know every borderline illegal or flat out illegal or unethical thing I'm doing at work feel like i want to in the moment so i'm going to right and one of the other questions we if i'm an undercover reporter and someone's saying here you would say hey yes you want to check me you want to check my body and they'll never do it and and the thing about it psychologically is that undercover work is about is about asking about themselves people have talked about themselves so it's remarkable what people will confess if you express interest in them personally you're familiar with this meme remember this one

yeah this is the hot crazy access for for women you date and it's like you know if a woman is a five or below you don't you know it's like a no-go zone if she's you know the crazy access is a 10 it's a no-go zone then you have the crazy zone the fun zone the date zone and then women who are not crazy and super attractive it's james o'keefe spying on that or the or it's a dude isn't it like the lower right when it's okay oh they replaced that with james o'keefe right so like this was after the twitter thing when we were like i can't remember we were cracking up no we were watching it laughing and then i you and i were coming up with all these jokes someone tweeted they were like if you are a like mildly unattractive tech engineer for a big tech company and this hot woman is asking you about the inner workings of your company it's james o'keefe well i just love the idea i mean are these people watching pickup

artist videos where the pickup artist is like you want to get a girl tell her every illegal thing you've ever done on the first date drives him crazy do you see the story we did last week on fetterman where the guy this is fetterman's aid he carries around his stuff and and he and he's and he's you probably do a great impression but he's like we just i'm not incoherent enough we just use the journalists as puppets like they do everything we tell them to they're not they're not skeptical like he's bragging yeah about this and the dude in the pfizer he's bragging he's bragging about you know mutating viruses and hurting people why would you know they're bragging about these things to try to what to get laid i think i know what it is well i think that's part of it i think when someone is doing something horrible they feel

a need for that behavior to be accepted by other people. Their conscience is bothering them and they want to sit across from somebody who will say, yeah, of course there's nothing wrong with that. Or I agree. That's really funny and interesting so that when those thoughts come into their mind that maybe I'm doing the wrong thing, they can try to fall back on, well, the other people I've spoken to approve of it. They're dying to confess. They're desperate to confess. The people who are in your face about their lifestyle choices the most are always the people who feel guilty about what they're doing and they need your approval because they don't have the approval of their conscience they need confession that's that's true profound that's very true i don't

think anyone's ever spoken about this in this way by the way some of them don't we don't find them on dating apps in fact the one guy reporter that works for me, got a guy in December in Chicago to talk about the, remember the dildo butt plug story? Oh, enlightening. This is the private school. I don't remember. Remember the dildo butt plug? By the way, I don't know if I want to remember.

Yeah, I don't. The private school, the head of a private school in Chicago talks about giving out these things to children. Oh my gosh. And he met that man in a in an airport security line so wow that's how he got that information did he have to like i'm gonna go to the bathroom and then put the camera on and like oh geez he he winning friends and influencing people and the confession thing you said is very profound it's it's really true dude confession is innately

necessary for humans man that religion had it had it. Correct. The church. And that I was doing it with internet video. You can tell the world your secrets. It's humiliating, but you can. And they stop popping into your head. You stop getting distracted. Your conscience becomes clear when you tell someone this thing. And that's why I say we hold a mirror up to people.

I think Seamus nailed it. I think a lot of these people, it's a joke that we've pointed out where, you know, a guy meets a woman, he sits down and says, hey, babe, you want to hear about all the illegal things my company does? Like it's going to score them. But that's not it. Seamus, I think, nails it in that the moment they engaged in something they knew was wrong, their mind said, you are wrong stop and they didn't they weren't strong enough to say no so when they sit down with someone in private they're looking for validation exactly they're begging please tell me i'm a good person and i think there's an additional element that wants validation in a different way i think their conscience wants validation as well they want to hear that person say you're better than this stop yeah this is this is profound dialogue here about what we do and and how it works the confession i think that's right and there's this one example i have in my mind of charlie chester who is a cnn guy about two years ago

and the whole time he's waxing euphoric about how much propaganda cnn is he never looks into the eyes of the person across the table from it's almost like he's talking to himself or to you know a monologue not with the person he doesn't even care about them he's just hearing listening to himself talk so their conscience goes against their own actions for sure yep you can tell a lot by looking in somebody's eyes the brain because it says the brain it's a the eyes are connected directly to the brain like it can't lie you can sense it well i think it's more than just the brain right because humans we're not just bodies we're body soul composite and there there is a there there you you can tell you're not just looking at matter

when you look into somebody's eyes there's something else we're not mere mechanical components there's something more to us yeah the way it's moving you can tell it's vibrating you know different ways depending on what they're thinking well but even vibration puts it in a material way like there's something immaterial that we we can't understand the the conscience thing is really interesting to me because when in your life did someone come to you and say son i know you're entering kindergarten it's your first day but if you ever work for a major pharmaceutical company and they ask you to engage in gain-of-function research i need you to say no son it's wrong that never happens in your life so something throughout this person's life generated the moral understanding that this

practice would be wrong what do you think that is well i wonder i wonder if there is something genuinely immaterial in that we know when we're doing good or bad it more relates to do we know that this is going to be harmful to the world and our fellow man and it i think maybe that's just a there could be something more metaphysical or maybe it's simply that we know the destruction of the planet we know that harming others is just inherently wrong and working to those ends is wrong yeah but they want to justify it somehow and be told everything's okay you're you're you're a good person well i think we have a culture that celebrates vice and denigrates virtue and as i mentioned earlier when we're referring to virtue what we're really referring to is subjugating your

impulses your passions your emotions to reason doing the right thing in spite of the way you feel. What we have encouraged people to do systematically over the last several decades is to orient themselves towards pleasure as the highest good. And that includes ignoring your conscience, ignoring reason, ignoring your values, just doing what feels good. And what results from that is a person who is incapable of going against their own passions in doing what's right and so other people not liking you it makes you feel bad they don't want that negative consequence of their nefarious behaviors but but the conscience part

of it doesn't factor in as often until they need to silence it by getting your approval. No, no, bro. It's much easier than that. They sell these wonderful little pills that turn that conscience right off. So you've got people who know it's wrong. That's true. That's true. Yeah.

This is the vision that I'm seeing as you're explaining this. I'm imagining some morbidly obese woman eating her fifth bowl of nachos with her brain screaming, stop doing this. And she goes, oh, the negative thoughts are coming back. That's right. Negative thoughts are gone. Sometimes you are supposed to feel negative thoughts. Negative thoughts are not a disease.

Sometimes they're a symptom of you doing something wrong and you have to stop doing that thing instead of medicating yourself. There are people who can't feel pain. Yeah. They're physically incapable and i've heard a lot of people say wow that would be so awesome to not have to feel pain and what they don't realize is it's actually terrifying and dangerous they almost pull their eyes out as infants and they think they can't sweat yeah because the the pain is there what i read was that certain people who can't experience pain their body can't regulate temperature because they don't have that sensation of discomfort

and so they could easily overheat and die they also sometimes could bite through their tongue when they're little kids they can seriously injure themselves and not know crazy stories hardship is a good thing yeah nagging negative feelings. Not always bad things. I understand sometimes there's chemical imbalance, depression, and anxiety where people are having a disorder. But perhaps if you are unhappy, not everybody. I know. Sometimes people are clinically or medically depressed. But perhaps you need to do better by yourself.

You need to eat right. You need to exercise. You need to take better by yourself. You need to eat right. You need to exercise. You take responsibility for your life. So are people born with the spark of the divine and it is through the drugs and what they're exposed to? We suppress it. We suppress it. But they're born with that desire.

Because I feel like the word truth, speaking the truth makes people feel free. It does set you free. The subjects that I, right? The truth shall set you free. Veritas vos libera beat. Speaking the truth makes you feel free it does set you free the subjects that i write the truth shall set you free veritas vos libera beat speaking the truth makes you feel free and in many ways you're this is what you're this guy's good i've never said it you're never heard it said that way thank you i mean the subjects are engaging in confession which makes them feel it's therapy for them yeah but the difference is they don't get absolution yep that is the difference they don't maybe they do when the video goes live no because the difference is when you go to confession

when you go confess to a catholic priest with true contrition you're actually sorry you're actually making a resolution not to do it again he you're not going in there and saying this is the thing i did please give me your approval you're saying this is wrong i know it was wrong please absolve me i'm sorry right but that's not what they're doing they want to confess it but in a way where they don't admit it's wrong and they get your approval they want your approval is their god you james you're you're effectively an an inverse priest for them in a certain way where instead of saying admit you are wrong they're saying please tell me i wasn't exactly There's something to that because-

And then it exposes, but real quick, sorry, I just wanted to add, what these people need to understand and what always breaks my heart about the videos that you put out, James, when it's like a Twitter engineer who says, yeah, we're doing these things. Why wasn't he a whistleblower? Why didn't he say, I am going to reach out to James O'Keefe personally and of my own volition and tell him about these horrible things they're doing. I have a good answer for that. It's one word, two syllables.

Paycheck. Yeah. The god of money. That's what I've been thinking about. That's not really what motivates me. But a lot of otherwise, I thought, decent people will just stay there for the paycheck, I think. And we've talked about, Tim, you and I talked about this before. Well, they're cowards.

Yeah, there's something to that um but i think that's changing in society i have to be a little optimistic here i think people now care more about um doing the right thing more than they ever have but they need a leader they need someone to follow people people like i have to give people permission like people are watching from the sidelines with a tip with a pinky toe in the pool well i think i they're drafting an email right now to o'keefe tips at protonmail.com should i do this yes the mortgage i got the wife i got the this like it's always the wife or something like this it's i've got the kids and i and i always say like you get the kids okay well but your kids don't they want to look up to their parents and don't they i mean i had someone tell me oh you're really lucky you don't have children and one day i'll be a father hopefully soon but like really

i'm lucky i don't have children yeah i would think that my children would would hopefully look up to someone who stands on principle even if it cost me my paycheck you know and and i and these are these are there's nothing new under the sun we've talked about these concepts for millions of thousands of years but i think things are changing i really do people are you mentioned people on the sidelines and they need permission i've had so many people ask me especially you know when i was working for vice when i was on the ground field reporting i would get these emails and people would say how do i do what you do and i'd say oh it's really really easy take out your phone press record there you go there's have a nice day and they're shocked like what that can't be right i'm like dude i was living in new york filming things that were going

on there like i moved i went there for 20 bucks on a bus to occupy wall street i just started filming stuff so like when you told that story of the woman who you know you said have you gone to your public school i didn't know i could there's a lot of people who don't realize there is nothing stopping you from entering the fray of the political fear right fear a fear of unknown sure but i mean like you know i thought about this when i was younger. How do you get involved and say, like, the conversation we're having? Someone might be wondering, like, how do I get on a show like that? Well, you just start doing these things. You show up to events.

You speak. You be present in the moment. You film. You record. There are a lot of people who got started by just showing up and being like, hey, I'm here. Here's what I think. And then more and more people start noticing they're there and they think things they're speaking out more and more people started going to school board meetings and speaking up and

getting attention you just have to do it and be the person leading the charge also ditch hedonism this obsession with uh feeling good and avoiding pain is is it's a detriment you got to embrace pain and it sounds sadistic to say that like it's like not all kinds don't seek it is it's a detriment you got to embrace pain and it sounds sadistic to say that like it's like not all kinds don't seek it out it's not sadistic it's gonna be there it's there right now gravity is painful we're being sucked down and twisted to this earth it hurts well the first chapter of the book i wrote american muckraker is called suffering that the first chapter is about pain and and um and i and i read because of jordan peterson gulag archipelago oh that's great the solzhenitsyn guy talks about in the gulags and there's this one

part of this story that just rarely resonated with me he's in the gulags we always joke that i'm gonna go to the gulags right it's like joke joke yeah Maybe it's happening. Yeah. But is that the worst outcome? Like RFK told me, which is very profound. I was like, I said, aren't you worried that these pharmaceutical companies are going to kill you? And he goes, there are things in life worse than dying. So Solzhenitsyn says he's in the gulags and there's a hunger strike. And he writes about this. Because when you're on a hunger strike, you retain some of your own power over the guards,

and that gives you a sense of empowerment because now you have the power over the forces of evil that are imprisoning you. And one of the guys in the hunger strike decides, you know what, I'm too hungry, I'm going to go eat that piece of bread. And I'm paraphrasing, but solzhenitsyn describes that the pain of these people are all starving he's starving to death the pain of the betrayal of the comrade who ate the bread was so much greater than the pain of the starvation so well i don't know if god tips is your point about suffering it's like what i've been through i don't view it as a bad thing because i think that pain completes the

process of muscle development and i have zero regrets it is it has made me it is going to make me a more effective messenger it's going to make me understand who's real and who's good and who's phony and who's fake and that's a good thing that's a good thing we want to know who's going to eat that bread and i always say to my friends say to my colleagues don't eat the bread in the gulags all right don't eat that bread well if when we find ourselves in that gulag james i will share my bread with you share your bread with me okay for the record we'll make sure you know you're doing the gulag was the department that oversaw the prisons the prisons weren't actually called gulags fair enough fair fair point we're gonna go to super chats if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the

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He is indeed. All right. Brandon Smith says, took a bag of Appalachian Nights to work today. Figured a Navy base in San Diego is the perfect place for it. By the way, it's delicious. I really do appreciate it.

And I got to say, you know, we put this blend together. It's a bit darker than your typical dark roast, not as dark as an espresso roast, because I like all coffee, to be completely honest. The Rise of Roberto Jr. is a light roast, and it's super it's super i love it but man that appalachian nights it gets me i end up chugging my breakfast coffee normally i always said sip sipping it i'd be sipping it now i'm just slamming it all right let's grab some more uh let's grab some more super chats

laurel says run a coffee option for james with a percent of the profits going to omg you can call it james o kafif uh sure yeah we'll make a we'll make a a specific blend and then we'll have all the proceeds go to omg my thing is so long as we can here's what i always tell everybody like look, look, if this company, this coffee company sets up a bunch of different coffee shops, I think we'll end up franchising because we just want to get the ball rolling. I don't care to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar coffee company. That's meaningless to me. What I do care about is pulling into a shopping, into a strip mall to, you know, with my friends. And we're in the middle of like Omaha. And then all of a sudden like,

did you set up a cast brew here? No, I thought and we're like oh we go inside and then there's the new omg report playing on the tv with james o'keefe and so you get some suburban mom and she goes and she's like i just want a cold brew with some some half and half and then while she's waiting there's james o'keefe in the tv being like breaking news we got a new report about act blue ball and she goes oh i didn't know that creating spaces where regular people will be exposed to the positive influence of all the people that in this field the work you're doing that's our mission with the with the coffee shop and the coffee company so absolutely we can we can launch and we'll make an omg coffee we'll set on the website and we'll give you all the profits wow breaking news he only offered me half of the profits for the

one he and i are going to do together this is a very special offer very special for james o'keefe well the thing about and this is true actually the the the split rev with seamus is that we're literally just selling a coffee for profit also no one wants to buy mine what's it called the thing about kidding we're working on it we had a couple ideas but we're we we're still probably tweaking it before we announce i i suppose it might sound a little crude but you know the reason i say this for james is that we want to fund the work no i was just kidding i was just giving you a hard time no i know it's because you want to fund a stuff that's good yeah we want to fund your stuff too no i know i appreciate but you know cartoons are substantially less they're not important exactly are you gonna put a cartoon

image i'm only having actually on your bag yeah. No, we were talking about that. Yeah, Freedom Tunes. A little cartoon Seamus. And a limited edition run where- Sipping some coffee. If you want to own the specific art of the Seamus blend or whatever. Yeah, it takes six weeks to print the bags and then seven to ten days to do the roasting. But we'll figure it out.

Coffee Boy Cog and they call me. And I'm just saying this on air. I don't even know if James wants a coffee or whatever. I don't want a coffee. I would love. That's a great idea. I love that no i was honestly just giving you a hard time are you a big coffee guy james uh like a probably like pre-workouts other than coffee coffee kind of makes me crash but i'll make an exception oh solid all right

steven says says james from the lawsuit it looks like project veritas is suing to make you not be a person is that their goal I quit supporting them since you left um I would say um I would say that how do I address this um let me let me choose my words carefully here um that if they if they can't, if they, give me one moment to collect my thoughts. If they can't exist without me, then some have said that they have to stop me from doing what I'm doing.

It was said by someone somewhere. It was someone that said that there's a statement to the effect of we have to destroy James O'Keefe in order to save ourselves. Now you explain that one to me. It just doesn't make sense. It's the inverse. If they came out and said, we're sorry things went this way. We appreciate all of the work James has done.

We wish him the best we hope that he succeeds and we would like to succeed as well they'd be way better off yeah yeah i mean like i said that there's i support everyone doing this i wish more there should be more organizations doing this i don't think you should stop a journalist from exposing corruption with money that was donated in order to expose corruption that That doesn't make any sense to me. It almost feels like the intention was to destroy Veritas. And some would say that they're trying to be me, but nobody can be me.

But I do wish people the best. I want people to expose what needs to be exposed. And I think we can coexist. I think we should. We need more organizations doing this. I think we need more nonprofits, NGOs, whatever you want to call it. Nonprofits are tough, though, with boards. Because, again, you have that same problem we talked about throughout the program, which the board has to be very strong.

Well, and also, I mean, just that statement, we need to destroy him to save ourselves. You know, to go out of your way to destroy someone for your own benefit that's demonic like that's a complete inversion we have an important one from crackling says to james what happened to retracto the alpaca will omg have a new mascot yes uh the retracto was the mascot that andrew breitbart came up with we were thinking back in 2010 when i was arrested there needs to be an you know an anthropomorphic creature to represent all the defamation and he's like what about an alpaca and we just laughed till we cried we have correcto oh you you do have it that i gave that to you the llama no that one we bought that one we bought it was a knockoff so we call it correcto correcto because Because Correcto is not for when other people correct about you.

It's from when we issue corrections for our mistakes. It's the inversion of it. And we did it as kind of a play. Do you have a theme song? No, but you know. Yo, that Retracto. The correction alpaca. Retracto, he's coming at you.

I mean, it's really good. What mascot should we do? I guess is my question. What do you want the OMG mascot to be? A llama. Is Retracto in the divorce? Is Retracto going to spend visitation with? That's not up to me.

Oh. I'm not. Maybe on the weekends? Is that the same as the one you have? A salamander. Is it the same kind of? It's the same exact. Oh, a gecko.

In fact, I have some of those. The scarf that it's wearing? I don't i have some some of those oh the the the uh scarf that it's wearing is actual alpaca hair scarf i did not know you should do like a camouflage farm like a like a gecko or something that can camouflage into the wall they can also chameleon chameleon i'll take that under advisement i have to think about a mascot there's a lot of lies defamation slander and i did this series every week, every other week about that. And that'll continue. Have you considered a chicken, perhaps?

Why a chicken? They're known for their intelligence and bravery. Roosters. Roosters? Roosters will sacrifice themselves to save their hens. Really? Yeah. And so, you know, I take,

and everybody who watches the show knows this because I said it 8,000 times, but a rooster will run full speed to its own death to fight a predator if it buys time for the hens to escape i think we may have we may have a decision here the noble rooster big cock and everybody makes fun of chickens you know and i think you need a big pair here's what i don't like all animals are scared right we call people a rabbit you silly rabbit when people are scared case in point but male rabbits and female rabbits will both equally flee but a small rooster if you walk into that coop the rooster will attack you like they're brave yeah they got they got cojones it

takes it takes testicular fortitude to do this um maybe maybe maybe um i have to think about this one tim uh but i will continue that i've got a lot of of plans i i can't say what they all are but um i i love doing the retracto because it was like little wins it was like getting them to get retract little little victories everyone loves accountability against journalists yeah how dare you expose the Washington Post? A venerable institution. This is like your, you do it. How dare you, sir?

How dare you? It's a respectable institution. We wrote an article about why Star Wars is racist. Perhaps it used to be that way, where they were the uppity elitists who thought they were doing good. But now they're more demonic than that. Like, how dare you, James, expose us?

But secretly, some of them are like rooting for me they're like dming they slide into my dms we like what you're doing there i just don't want to tell you here's all the illegal things i'm doing by the way i feel like here's here's an important one i gotta read it eric miller says james you're the hero of truth and what you're dealing with is the hero's suffering to be a hero comes with a price sometimes. It's what or who you love the most. But you keep us honest, and so the seed of courage, seed of courage,

us, and encourage us all to fight. I think there might be a title. I mean, I think this is like, you said the subjects treat their, you know, undercover meetings like for therapy. In many ways,

this Tim Pool show is like therapy for me. And I would say that some days are really, really hard. I think we all know that. It's like life, right? Some days suck. I mean, this is extreme highs and extreme low business. And there are some days where I literally can't,

I can't even begin to describe the, how insurmountable it all feels. What do you do for fun? When you're- Sailing. Sailing? I'm a big sailboat guy i got a sailboat i've sailed up and down the northeast and oh wow i love that because sailing is like it captivates all of your senses it's physics it's physical it's math it's balance it's it's symphonic you got you're one with nature there's no engine you can like sail sort of against the wind by like moving the sail you can so in sailing you can sail the closest

you get to the true wind it's like a pizza pie you can sail 45 degrees off the wind that's called close heel close hauled and you like go left and right or whatever like when you when you go off the wind you release the sail which is a greater degree of angle against the wind. So it's called close hauled up against the wind. And the boat heals. And you're only going like eight miles an hour. But eight miles an hour, to me, sailing feels like jumping out of an airplane. Super cool.

Very nice. All right. What do we got here? Thomas TJG says, can Target and Bud be sued by their stockholders for neglect of fiduciary duties? I well, the answer is literally 100 percent. Yes, you can sue a ham sandwich in this country. Will you succeed? I think the answer is. Probably, yes, I'm not saying 99 percent, it might be like 51, but I lean towards in my complete lack of legal experience which like i have none but i do believe we've heard stories of of shareholders suing because i mean look bud light we had the story we didn't get in any of this stuff they actually just made another major

contribution to a woke non-profit or something there's literally no business reason to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to pride events especially after your customers are abandoning you abandoning you to the tune of 30 percent of your sales if you hold stock in budweiser in anheuser-busch i have to imagine you have a very strong legal case that they are intentionally destroying the value of their company and neglecting their duties to you the shareholder i mean that's that's insane like people are saying like we're boycotting your brand and then they go i got an idea let's donate more money to the exact same thing people are protesting that's that impact investment and it'll be interesting precedent to see if a company takes 100 million of their dollars and puts it towards some social

cause that makes no money for their for their investors but they say but it has social impact that will benefit you in the long run stakeholder stakeholder, then there might be some court cases and be like, no, this is purely fiscal. I don't care about the cleanliness of the air. I gave you money. I want money. We'll see. I think there's precedent if they keep dumping money for impact, though. Paul Tascalo says, James, I'll provide you with free legal consultation.

I can save you tens of thousands of dollars by just auditing your legal bills. You don't need good lawyers. You need a monster with a law degree raise his hand raise his hand yeah i mean please please um oh it's uh james at o'keefe media group.com send me an email why not just gave out my email address who cares but hey if you get 100 emails and you got to go through all of them but it's like that's hey i can do this for you i can do this for you yeah i mean thank you and and it's tough that that's probably, I can't emphasize to you guys enough that the managing the lawyers is, is, is hard. It's really hard. And the lawyers also don't want to, don't want you to say anything. And, you know, and if you make, if you're an

executive, you have to make executive decisions. The lawyers resent you for that because now once I had a lawyer say say you're putting my reputation at risk by by basically being you it's like dude you work for me like i'm the client and you're making three times more money than me which is fine but don't give me that crap so that's probably that's something i'm still learning how to do is manage lawyers manage our legal bills and um you know and and uh so thank you whoever you are what was his name uh what was his uh paul taskalos paul yes send me a note and uh we'll talk we'll touch base thank you make sure you don't get three or four emails from four different paul taskalos don jr mentioned this by the way too when he was on our show about the fact that his lawyers were advising him not to speak out

about certain things and it ended up working out very well for him that he did yep yep shaken bake says ian keep moving towards the light you're almost there almost but you will never truly get there you can only get halfway closer in 10 years ian is going to be telling seamus how he's wrong about his faith and how you know like he's he's straying from the light dude we were on that he's gonna have his hair's gonna be wearing a suit it's gonna be like hardcore like track cat like further than me absolutely there's a magnificent uh religious reformation happening right now where all these global religions are coming together with technology and psychoactive drugs and people are like trying to figure out the new story we're going to tell i think i think

we already told the greatest story ever told i think it really happened time moves backwards and forwards at the same time that wasn't exactly what i had in mind angry marsupial says i left a 14 year journalism career behind in 2009 because i saw behind the curtain and became completely disillusioned corruption and media government corporations keep fighting the good fight gents yep yep yeah i think a lot of it is not even necessarily good and evil just sometimes it's just chaos like trying to create order out of chaos there's a yes you're right there's a lot of people though i worked in non-profits and small ones i saw did pretty good but i saw an untold amount of corruption lies manipulation from the biggest to the smallest they all they cared about was their bottom line like any company so gross and so i would i would say most of the nonprofits i worked at actually told

their staff to lie to people to raise money and i'm like that's fraud dude like well no have you seen so i'm like i'm out i'm not gonna do this anymore quote by eric hoffer every great cause begins as a movement becomes a business and eventually degenerates into a racket so i found when i worked in dc when i was 21 i was like i gotta get out of here like it's crazy and they can't actually solve the problem because then they can't raise money you know you know to try to solve the problem it's like they can't actually succeed so so you really have to be like hyper vigilant, you know, to try to solve the problem. It's like they can't actually succeed. So you really have to be like hypervigilant if you're going to keep that group motivated.

You have to, again, your leadership has to be incorruptible. Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But Lord Acton said power tends to corrupt. It doesn't always corrupt, but it sure tends to yeah that's a federali says so many white pills hearing how motivated you all are to keep doing this love you guys love usa yeah i wonder what it is you know i i really do why is it that james you you are unwavering in your commitment to a strong moral foundation and exposing malfeasance and corruption?

Well, I'm not perfect. I have my fallibilities, and I think we all know what those are. Tough guy to work for. Don't ask you how your holidays were. Demanding, perfectionist, exacting taskmaster. I'm not perfect. I'm pretty disorganized. I think in many ways, I was raised by two really good people who I didn't realize this until my mid-30s. I'm 38. I have really good mother and father who were very down-to-earth people. My grandfather and father worked really hard doing property maintenance. I helped them. And that kind of instilled in me kind of a work ethic. But I also feel like, again, going back to you as a musician, you and I have that in common. I'm a musician. I DJ. I'm a musical theater. I just love the artistic aspects of this. And I think a good work of art

can last a long time. And I think the good, the true, and the beautiful, that's the only way that I can keep doing this. If I focus on the political things or even the business aspects of it, it just drives me nuts. And then all my people always go back to the thing that drives us, which is showing, telling the story.

I don't know if that makes sense but that's what that's what drives us this is the way i see it what are you gonna do with your fifth house with your third car right you see i i see these big celebrities i see this this baseball player right what was his salary like three million dollars someone mentioned for one year yeah and i think he played for the bjs and so this guy comes out and he's like i'm so sorry i'll be re-educated or whatever and i'm like bro millions of dollars what are you gonna do with that i just i just genuinely don't get it i don't understand this guy's like well my kids need a vacation home i'm like

bro your kids need a bright future and an opportunity and a just and moral society. And he has sold that out so that he can partake in massive amounts of money that he can't adequately spend, like, reasonably. Look, I get it. If you've got a couple million bucks in the bank, you're going to be set for a long time. Your family's taken care of, and you can have really nice things and experience really great things in life but i'm but i'm looking at it like if you could buy anything wouldn't you rather buy a just society for your children great point amen amen what what else is there worth buying and i've met a number of philanthropists worth hundreds of millions or a billion dollars who who almost grab their colleagues at the country club by the collar and say, are you kidding me?

You got 16 Ferraris, 500 grand can buy this group doing the right thing and buy a piece of justice. It's a really, really good point. And I've done fundraisers where I speak about these very issues and I'm done. I mean, just so the audience knows i drive a kia and i have a scooter for real i do have a sailboat that's the one thing i said i wanted i said i want a sailboat you deserve a sailboat like musk says i got my private plane okay i got my sailboat but like i gave these speeches about like guys like this is about the principles and

virtue and truth and justice and in 30 seconds after the lady's like, so tell me about your curtain rods. And they just transition into this material vanity bullshit. And it's, it's frustrating. I'm trying to shake people awake. I'm trying to make people care. That's why,

that's why the company is called OMG. I got this feeling that if, if, and when you die, that God is there and it explains to you what you could have done to make it right. And like all this day, we wake up and said, today, I'm going to get the coffee. I'm going to go eat.

I'm going to get the coffee. I'm going to play another game of this make money lifestyle. But like in reality, we could get online and make so much noise and effective change. And I think you're faced with that upon your reconciliation. And it's like, God damn it. Why didn't I just do it while I was alive? And this, this desire to go back and make it right. And then we come back and we forget that it all, that, that, that, that was there.

And you have to relearn that. And then you just got to force yourself, man. It's a lonely existence. Take that idea and put it into your current life right now. Think about where you're at right now and what you wish you did 10 years ago to enact something positive. Now think about where you are right now

and what your future self will be thinking about this very moment. Hindsight is 20-20, of course, so you don't know everything. But you may look, you know, in 10 years, I bet I'm going to say I should have done that one thing. And then you probably should do it. Let's read this what this is an important one quantum strange cork says james please make a way to donate five to ten bucks a month on your website a lot can't afford

a subscription but still want to donate yeah if you could if you go to our website right now we have a we have a c4 and a c3 i'm not on the board. You can donate to help us pay our legal bills. I posted on my Telegram page too. James will keep on Telegram. I've tweeted it out. It's on our website. You just go there, scroll down, and you can donate to a group that will help pay our

legal bills. This one's for you, James. Matt from South Dakota says, I met my wife because of James. He gave me a VIP ticket to the project veritas experience last year and i met a homeschooled girl from california we were married six months later i was the guy that told him to gtfo on the phone do you remember uh i think so but well my comment on this is so many people have had babies because of me it's like wild i i'm sorry to go married like Hannah Giles,

like my colleague who did the acorn story, married Joe Basil, who was in a jail cell with me in Louisiana. There are so many stories like that. Former colleague of mine, Brandon, got married to a fundraiser. All these families and babies were created. Now I got to catch up.

I got to have babies at some point. Yeah, me too. Does anyone here have a family? no we don't gotta do it we're working on it whatever the millennial generation is suffering something but I do think everyone here is actively working on it yeah baby

I'm also the youngest I blame you guys I'm 28 I'm also the youngest, so... Yeah, I'm the oldest. I blame you guys. I'm going to shame you guys. I'm 28, so I'm still... I'm 44. Dude, back in the day, I would have had like 12 kids by now and built a log cabin for them to live in. How many kids do you guys want to have? As many as God sends me.

Good answer. Yeah. Wow. Do you guys have a number in mind? No. 50. 500. 50,000.

All right. Cindy Drellick says, I love James more than Luke and Ian's hair. So much respect to James for all he's accomplished despite all the pushback. Working in healthcare, we have experienced so many deaths due to complications of existing conditions. Nothing to see here, folks. Yeah. Sad. All right.

What do we got here? Kevin Lee says, James, keep on exposing and we do all need to address the corruption wherever we are only way it will only way it will get better is if we get our hands dirty and get in the game and sometimes and you know going back to the sultan it's in quote um in the gulag archipelago the line that separates good and evil runs through each and every one of us and this is like the peterson jordan peterson talks about like we all have the capacity to do evil and when i went through what i went through particularly in in court and most recently i could i could actually feel i could feel the presence of evil like almost like trying to

infiltrate like my wounds like trying to get inside of me. Like I was like, I was like warding it off. I was like fighting these forces that were trying to like get inside of me or something like that. And I know that sounds crazy, but I, I,

I realize this is, this is like a spiritual battle. Yeah. Yes. And in many ways it's, it's never the enemy, like the enemy, the devil,

you know, okay, fight the enemy. We have great people. Many of them are commenting right now, watching this podcast. Thank you so much, everyone. But it's like I have to be strong enough to prevent myself from being co-opted, corrupted, influenced, softened.

I have to be strong as a human being. And as long as they don't take away my spirit, I can keep going. But I can't be co-opted. It's a fight that I have to be strong as a human being. And as long as they don't take away my spirit, I can keep going. But they, but I can't be cooperative. It's a fight that I have to fight within myself. So do you get sunlight? Is that like part of it? Cause I've noticed that I feel like spiritual resilience when I get enough

sunlight and grounding. Yeah. Literally bare feet in the grass. Do you do that kind of stuff? Touch grass. I do. I, I,

I, I do. I mean, for me, it's being out on the water taking a walk just looking at nature yes that's why we're out here that's part of it you gotta pray

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donate to our legal defense fund which i encourage everyone to do you can only afford two dollars do that you can sign up to be a journalist um and you could subscribe to get our stuff. That's go to our website. Every one of you can afford this. One of those three things. One of them is free. Signing up to be a journalist doesn't cost you anything. So, you know, there's my pitch.

O'KeefeMediaGroup.com. And thank you, Tim, for doing this. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Seamus Coghlan, Freedom Tunes. We make cartoons. And if you guys want to check those out, we'll be uploading one tomorrow.

And yeah, I also want to shout out what James is doing. I think it's very important work. I think it's very important work. And people will follow you on Twitter, James. James O'Keefe, I-I-I, which indicates the third. Yes, James O'Keefe III. James O'Keefe, I-I-I on Twitter. You mentioned the RFK, Robert F. Kennedy podcast.

Do you have a podcast now that you're doing? I just started it yesterday. Awesome. Is this on YouTube? It's behind our paywall, but we're putting out snippets on social media. And it's behind our paywall. And it's going to be different than the commentary. It's going to be in-depth sort of uh uh journalistic

because a lot of the stuff i don't do undercover work i'm talking to a source they have documents and i'm interviewing almost like a mini documentary podcast oh man that's awesome bi-weekly bi-week i'm looking forward to seeing it dude great to see you again i'm ian crossland catch you guys later and uh i'm serge.com that was uh quite the conversation i'm excited for the after show for when it's going to call in uh again, I'm at SIR.com on Twitter. Let's go to it. We will see you all over at TimCast.com. Thanks for hanging out. you