Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #804 U.S Navy Detected Ocean Gate Submersible TRAGIC Implosion On Sunday w/Ron Coleman

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

Super Irish Tim, Ian, Hannah_Claire, & Serge join Ron Coleman to discuss the media's handling of the OceanGate Titanic submarine disaster, the AG of Minnesota slamming Target for pulling their pride merch off the shelves, the Pentagon admitting they had a $6 billion accounting error, whistleblowers alleging Hunter Biden received help from the DOJ during tax crime investigation, and Pixar's Elemental flopping at the box office. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to another episode of Shimcast IRL. I am so excited to be here with a number of several guests. Some of you have been asking about guest host Tim Pool, and when he's going to be back, he likes to hang out here with us. Unfortunately, Tim is a sick man. Tim is sick. And he's getting the help that he needs right now. And so we're all just going to wish him well and hope that he gets better soon. In all seriousness, he should probably be back in a few days. But technically, when I said he's a sick man, there was nothing factually incorrect about that.

That is literally true, right? I mean, I have a lawyer here who can confirm that nothing I said was incorrect. At this time, we have no further elucidations to add to your statement. Thank you very much. We do wish to reserve our right to make any additional amendments as might be required. Yeah, well, it's interesting how my first time ever hosting the show, Tim was like, we need to send a lawyer in here just to fact check him and make sure he stays on point all night.

We have a number of stories tonight. The Ocean Gate story, the tragic loss of the Ocean Gate CEO and his son on the Titan. The Minnesota AG warns Target about their obligations to the LGBTQ community. A Pentagon accounting error to the tune of $6.2 billion. An IRS whistleblower talking about Hunter Biden and his investigation, as well as an AI saying that conservative women are happier and more attractive interestingly enough we have all of the juicy stories just in time for tim to be sick and for me

to take over but let me tell you something because i still care so much about my friend who's allowed for me to take the wheel tonight i'm gonna ask coffee, you can support my sick friend, Tim. And we will send you a bag of coffee in Thanksgiving. Now, of course, I won't make any promises. Again, we have a lawyer here. You will go there. You will purchase the coffee. I can't tell you if it's going to have anything to do with Tim's recovery.

But I think he'd feel a little bit better, at least with respect to his morale, if you guys purchased some Cast Brew coffee. And also, it's going to make me look good. He's going to say, look, you know, Shimcast hosted, and we moved more product than usual. What I'm telling you is I need this. I need this. So please, Cast Brew coffee, or just castbrew.com, get yourself some coffee. And while you're at it, I want you to head over to timcast.com

and become a member. You dirty dogs. All right, you're sitting here. You're watching this content. Tim has built this massive platform so he could give you the news. We're very grateful to him. And if you are able to,

we would massively appreciate it if you became a member, supported what he's doing, supported his mission, and help him grow out what he's trying to do here, which I think is a good thing, and I hope you all agree. You'll also get access to the After Hours show, which is going to be pretty spicy. So, now that I have sufficiently introduced the show, we have with us today the man who needs no introduction. What's your name again?

I am Tim Pool. Well, hold on a second. We can't do this. with us today the man who needs no introduction what's your name again i am tim pool well hold on a second we can't do this you're you're the legal expert here are you able to impersonate him why don't you sue me oh boy i'm not the one who's gonna do that i'm saying that like tim might have a case against you at this point no actually it would be the best thing i could do for tim to actually speak in his voice in a way guaranteed to avoid any legal entanglements whatsoever yeah it's much appreciated that's why people hire you issues related to contagion and where he has been recently before this illness yeah yeah of course i'm ron Coleman. I'm Ron Coleman, the lawyer on Twitter. I mean, there are other lawyers on Twitter, but I'm the fun one.

He's not the only one. I'm the fun one, and I am so happy to be here. And everybody gave me little notes, little messages for Tim. And I feel kind of like a schmuck frankly why's that? because Tim's not here yeah oh they give you messages

to pass along not like get well soon stuff no one gives a shit oh well maybe they're schmucks I want my friend to get better passbrew.com get some coffee we all do

we all do you know what that's enough out of you that's enough I could go we have had no we would like to continue this conversation. But Hannah Clare, she's really going to be the one digging India tonight.

She is a very solid reporter at TimCast.com who has a few things to say about tonight's stories. She has been gunning for Bayer since the second I walked in. It's been a very, frankly, aggressive and pugnacious... Yep, that's me, Hannah Clare, aggressive Brimlow. That's where I'm going. As you can tell, I think this will be a pretty contentious episode, and I'm happy to be here. My favorite part of this so far has been Ron saying, yeah, Seamus, sue me and see what those cartoons will do.

Oh, my goodness. I think that we're in for a show. Obviously, we hope Tim gets better soon. And if not, apparently there's a hostile takeover happening. I'm not sure who's going to win. And by the way, I'll just mention this. Before you denigrate cartoonists, this was a phrase that was uttered at art school by the professors. They said, the painters look down on the illustrators.

They say they're not real artists. And the illustrators look down on the cartoonists and say they're not real artists. But no one tells a cartoonist that because a cartoonist can ruin your life. Ian Crossland. Hi, Seamus. Good to have you on. Thanks for having me. Who's going to win tonight?

Everybody's going to win. life ian crossland hi shamus good to have you on thanks for having me who's gonna win tonight everybody's gonna win uh when people go to casper of coffee casper.com that is and buy their coffee i think if we can get enough people more people tonight to buy coffee than ever before i think it's gonna make uh i think it's gonna make a real statement yeah i think so too here's another statement look good you were wrong in your intro what was i wrong about ceo of ocean gate son died it wasn't the ceo oh thank you for fact different... Thank you for fact-checking me. I appreciate that. It was another guy. That's why you're here. Pakistani businessman Shahzad Dawood. I think I got his name right. And his son

Suleiman. We'll talk more about it on the show. I'm Ian Crossland. Happy to see you guys. Stay tuned. We got Serge Dupreya. Yes. Hi. I'm here, guys. Hopefully we'll keep this show on the rails. I think we're doing a pretty good job so far. The good thing is that without Tim here after several nights in a row, no one's going to know if we don't.

Exactly. He's not going to watch. He's never going to see this. No one. I saw last night's numbers. Wait till you see tonight's. We're picking it back up. Let's get started. Ian, I actually really appreciate you mentioning that

because the information I had here was incorrect and i wouldn't want to spread anything untrue here or send flowers to the wrong house yeah well it's it's obviously um a very very uh sad story here uh we've been covering this we talked about this a little bit yesterday so i'm going to read a letter that the ocean gate expeditions a twitter account sent out earlier we're not going to read the whole thing but i think the first line is certainly worth repeating given it has the names of all the people who lost their lives they wrote we now believe that our ceo uh stocking rush or i'm sorry stockton rush shazda dawood and his son sulaman dawood harish harding and paul henry i'm sorry hamish harding Harish Harding, and Paul Henry...

I'm sorry. Hamish Harding. Hamish Harding, that's my mistake, and Paul Hardy Nargalet have sadly been lost. So, they go on to say that these men were explorers who had a spirit of adventure. This is, of course, a very

sad story, and I think that we should try to keep reverence while discussing it. A lot of people on Twitter have been laughing at the fact that these people died because they're wealthy, and we discussed that a little bit on last night's show, so we probably don't have to retread that territory. But I want to open it up to you guys. What do you guys think about this? What do you guys think about the fact that the Navy says that they heard or detected that there was a whole implosion several days ago and didn't say anything until now whole whole whole implosion

yes because when i first heard you i thought you said whole no no yeah yeah i'm not sure what that would even mean no because the whole is a complete implosion yeah yeah the whole cracked and they found debris i think about a third of a mile from the wreckage of the Titanic. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that this U.S. Navy technology that's used to find enemy submarines picked up on what they now believe was this implosion around the area where debris was now found. And doesn't that answer the big question to at least one possible non-conspiratorial answer to the big question everyone's asking now believe now we found the debris now we know what that weird noise was yeah that's true well this is something we were talking about a little bit before the show but there there's something curious about the fact that they waited to

release this information until after it was already made public that the debris had been found and so people have been speculating about why that's the case i can understand why they might not say anything because it's possible they didn't know initially what the noise actually was and now that the debris has been found they can confirm that it actually was the the uh submersible imploding and they would probably have some concern about dissuading rescuers from making attempts by telling them we heard something that very well could have been this craft being destroyed by the water pressure sorry or releasing information through the media when really these people have families who probably want some dignity and some privacy while they learn possibly that they've lost you know family members so Navy is claiming that they, I think it was the Navy, is that who it is,

they detected the implosion on Sunday or shortly after they lost contact, I think, maybe on Sunday. And then they let a global initiative to search and rescue go on without telling people, hey, wait a minute, maybe because they found... So I'm having a problem with this. It's a very emotional story. There's five people dead, which is... And then their families and God. But I haven't seen the debris. It's a very emotional story. There's five people dead, which is, and their families and God.

But I haven't seen the debris. I don't trust the news. If they're going to tell me that this thing, they know now it imploded. They're very, almost sure that it imploded and they found the wreckage.

Like, show me the evidence, man. I don't buy it. I don't buy this. I don't know what's going on. I don't know why this was mainstream news. It's like you don't believe the government or something. I don't understand that.

What is this? What is this that i've been invited crazy corruption scandals about the president's son but all of a sudden this new piece of of pop news takes over and and they're trying to like shove it down my throat for five days uh so i'm curious what do you think happened here then if you don't believe that this craft was actually destroyed by the water pressure or faulty construction uh for all i know it's still out it's still down there and they all died a really horrible slow death and they don't want to put that in the news what do you think their motivation would be for wanting to keep that they want to make they want to raise morale they want to be like they all died pain because i saw mike cernovich tweeted out they all had a painless death don't worry about it everything's

they said that about about uh the space shuttle and The Challenger? And that was a lie. That's interesting that they would lie about something like that. What happened with the Challenger? They had a voice recording of the last minute, because it started getting hot in there. It didn't just break up. It started getting hot in there. I'd rather not talk about it.

We've had enough awful. You don't have to dredge up awful news from 35 years ago it was whatever the hell was sure 1984 you know i think it was no no no it was 1986 86 i was in second grade well it was 86 hannah claire you made this point earlier about dignity the fact that people had died that they lost their loved ones and there's a media fiasco around this. It's an interesting exploration because we want to look at these issues. We want to know what's happening in the world. And it's good that people were rooting for these individuals to live. The public, at least the pro-social segment of the public, who aren't just completely out of their minds and would celebrate the death of somebody simply because they're wealthy.

We're rooting for this family. But I think I think you're on to something with what you're saying about the fact that there's a level of sensitivity that needs to be considered here. And it goes beyond simply saying, I acknowledge something horrible happened here. There's an element of discretion that is necessary. Yeah, it reminds me of and I'm low spring up a completely different political point. But when Biden withdrew troops from Afghanistan, right, we lost 13 Marines. Would you want those Marines names to be released in the media or would you want their parents

to have a chance to hear it first? Right. It's one thing we're all outraged by tragedy or we want to know what the end of this submarine saga is. On the other hand, real people have loss, and there has to be a slight time delay to deliver that information. Now, I don't know that that's necessarily the case here. Like we're saying, if the Navy picked up on some kind of sound,

what is it going to do? Say, we think we heard something, but we're not sure, but maybe? Like, it doesn't necessarily serve. There's no reason to believe they didn't deliver that information to the powers that need to be. The Coast Guard, whoever's searching. Again, I agree with Ian here. You have to remain a little bit skeptical.

I think what we're seeing a little bit now is the question of why did we finally get this information today, that there is debris, that there was an implosion, and what else is going on in the news media that that would indicate this uh this morning the news alerts i was getting were saying you know today is the last day that they would have oxygen so there is a reason why this sort of yeah it's crescendo today we knew after today if they weren't found things were bleak no matter what well i'll also say this we know and based on what you were pointing out earlier about the challenger mission and the catastrophe there that the media has covered up for organizations to make the fact that people died horrible deaths seem less tragic by claiming it happened quickly and painlessly. However, I will say one key difference is the media might have some desire or motivation to cover for NASA,

whereas I'm not sure what the motive would be to cover up for this small organization that doesn't really seem to have any connections to state or media powers especially when usually they're uh i feel like the federal government is very against independent exploration right i mean this was all uh elon musk and uh and richard branson's efforts to get to space i I don't think the federal government necessarily was rooting them on. They see that as their right and their exclusive territory. Again, private exploration of the sea, I think we stopped thinking about it because we became focused on space,

but I'm sure there are reasons that people want to plunge to the ocean and see what's there. It really is a world unknown to us. And I don't think necessarily these people who have the money to do so were wrong for taking that risk. It's just an incredibly sad situation. I think it's hard to see these videos on TikTok or Reels or wherever where people are kind of laughing at it because you want to remind yourself that these are people who died and

someone is grieving them. And I'll mention this. I think you're correct in saying that when it comes to exploration of parts of the world that are currently uncharted there is a nobility in wanting to take that venture on however in the coming days or weeks there are going to have to be some questions asked about the particular risks that ocean gate took in their construction of this vehicle and placing people on it and whether this was the best constructed craft because there's been a lot of discussion about that but maybe now is not the time i heard there was a waiver they signed someone on twitter and this is all anecdotal i don't have the tweet but they said that they had ridden with ocean gate a

year ago and to the titanic actually and back and they'd signed a waiver and on the front page it was like you wave just in case you die and they said signed a waiver. And on the front page, it was like you wave just in case you die. And they said, it said death three times on the front page could be hyperbolic, but they were pretty much like, I think maybe these, these people. I actually heard.

So my friend, um, uh, legal, legal mindset, Andrew Esquire, YouTuber, uh,

did a very good video that I think he posted. Yep. 12 hours ago today, um, addressing potential legal issues that are raised by this tragedy. And going to your point again, because of, I think, what is generally a government hostility towards any kind of independence, and certainly big independents like this, he seemed to suggest that this is going to provide an impetus for more regulation. But I'm surprised that he said that because the first thing he said in his video,

and I think the video is great, is that there's a jurisdictional issue here. This is international waters, and part of the reason there is so little regulation is precisely because of the lack of a regulating and enforcing authority. So the fact that many countries – see, everyone knows that in the world of sailing, the nautical world is – if you have any familiarity at all with cruise lines, they're notoriously unregulated. They are scandalously unregulated. Everyone knows there's a problem. Everyone knows a certain number of passengers disappear, are killed, are robbed, are thrown overboard,

and there is no accountability. The fact that we know that these things happen doesn't make them solved. They're not solved. So I don't know if this, but, but there is some very, one of the things that,

that Andrew did point out, uh, was that you can sign a waiver, you can waive all kinds of things, but you can't, there's a level of negligence of gross negligence that you cannot waive away. I, by virtue of signing a waiver that doesn't give you permission.

Okay, now I can come into your treehouse. Great, welcome aboard, Ron. I'm going to shoot you in the head. You can't do that. So there will be lawyers looking very hard at this. Well, speaking of lawyers, the Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison actually warned Target about their obligations to LGBTQ individuals. And of course, we know that means the LGBTQ lobby. That's what they're

referring to whenever they talk about this community. So this was not just the Minnesota AG. There was a coalition of 15 AGs, and they reached out to the ceo of target to offer support after the pride backlash in an open letter where they said and i quote and you know please stay sitting um we understand target recently pulled some pride merchandise from its shelves excuse me from its shelves out of concern for worker and customer safety uh the letter says, while we understand that... Very dangerous merchandise. Extremely dangerous merchandise. It's going to jump off the shelves and attack you.

Exactly. And it could implode into a hole. Oh, okay. I forgot. So they released this letter where, of course, what they're saying to Target is, we understand why you were afraid. Of course, the right wing in this country is just absolutely out of control. You remember those riots that lasted for months at a time that, you know, that far right group

must have perpetuated. We can't get to the bottom of it. But the Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison, wrote to Target warning that their decision to pull pride march, and this is from Fox, by the way, this is their wording, from stores encouraged bullying and will embolden hateful methods so hateful methods and bullying i would say if there was an example of bullying in this story it would probably be from the lgbtq activists who sent bomb threats to target but i'm curious to hear all of your thoughts on this well we never want to empower bullying in this country. Definitely, the progressive left has

never, ever tried to push its agenda in a manner that would constitute bullying. They would never do that. I mean, I think this is ridiculous. It is interesting that, you know, it is a coalition of what, 15 attorney generals and the Minnesota attorney general is there. You probably already mentioned this, but Target is based in Minnesota. so there's a certain amount of pressure to get in line fall in line with your hometown um it reminds me of the bud light boycott in some ways because initially it was the conservative saying we won't drink this anheuser-busch you've gone too far you're pushing inappropriate things to underage children. And then on top of that, gay bars started boycotting Bud Light saying, how could you not vocally support Dylan Mulvaney and

everything else that this community represents? And so we're seeing the same thing here. You know, Minnesota is now saying, why are you not doing more, even though we will not acknowledge that you've lost billions of dollars. Exactly. And so, I mean, there's just so much to pull apart here. Firstly, Target obviously has a fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders to ensure that they're not tanking the price of their company and the valuation of it so that the people who have invested their money in them aren't, you know, completely SOL on it. That's not something Mr. Ellison is particularly concerned with as it turns out no the obligation is to the lgbtq community here uh and what they were saying

of course in the the letter was that they understand that there was a legitimate threat to the safety of consumers at target no it was it was the consumers who said they were no longer interested in what target was pushing here that's the problem what they're upset about is the fact that people were willing to stand up to this massive corporation and say, actually, we're not interested in having you force this nonsense onto us and our families. And of course, they call that a threat to their safety. And then they try to turn around and say, this is a threat to the safety of our customers.

This is a very textbook left wing tactic to just project. What they are trying to do is have a predatory relationship with their customers where they force any idea or perverse set of lifestyle choices onto those customers and they do nothing about it. So they're the ones who are actually a threat to the safety of their customers. They're the ones trying to victimize them in a very real sense. When those customers turn around and leave, they say, well, the customers are actually being victimized by virtue of the fact that they're no longer shopping in our locations because the only explanation for this is big, bad right wing terrorists or whatever other boogeyman they want to invent to avoid accountability here. Yeah, I wonder, too, that it's just so arrogant of these attorney generals to not acknowledge that by telling Target you have to keep this merchandise on your shelves for everyone to then take pictures of and share how it's not selling.

I mean, I think one of the best things Alex Stein has ever done is go to Target and try on their tuck-friendly swimsuit, right? Like, they are— I think Alex also feels that that's one of the best things he's ever done, too. Yeah, I think so. It still burned in my mind, actually. Yeah, he'll never forget it. His feet has really, really changed since that experience but i just mean you know when we again i'll draw back to uh bud light what did we see for the weeks

afterwards pictures of these these stacks of bud lights not moving off shelves and we saw more cases of bud light with these crazy coupons saying basically please we'll pay you to take this uh i i can see on a number of levels why as soon as this happened target felt like it needed to pull the merchandise and to to say was there really no aspect of bullying and there was is this a complete fantasy is it the way you described it it was it's a total fan no it's nonsense their idea of bullying is you didn't comply with what i told you to do you didn't obey me that's what bullying means to a leftist were there were there even i mean for example the school board the bullying it by exactly the parents bullying the teachers so yeah playing devil's advocate which i am often paid to do you're

a lawyer yeah i get it um if parents become unruly or they refuse to respect you know everyone gets two minutes to speak and you went over or you're Matt Walsh and you're too effective and compelling, you know. But there there's a sort of an immediacy and there is a sort of a menace. I'm in the most. I mean, this is pure democracy in action. But is there anything even comparable to that? Were there any pickets anywhere oh in front of target stores i bet there were i think people it's possible but my understanding is what they're

really concerned about is just the fact that people have stopped shopping there and their stock prices plummeted i don't know if they would be as concerned about protests but i think and i think a lot of this is i think a lot of what's happened with target a lot of what has happened with bud light isn't that there have been right-wing organizations getting protesters together. It's just that ordinary people have said, we don't want this anymore and we're not going to purchase your product. Well, not just that. We're not going to go to your stores.

Whenever you go to a Target, what do you see? People there dragging their kids along because these are people who most of them are caregivers and also people don't work anymore so everyone's there with their kids and all of a sudden kids are looking at these displays and these bizarrely configured you know articles of clothing and asking very awkward questions and what they want to have happen is for the normal to become, your children should be exposed to this. Your children should ask these questions.

And guess what? We'll even tell you how you should answer them. Exactly. That's exactly right. And fortunately, consumers still have the power to boycott these organizations, and they would love to see that stop. Unfortunately, there are organizations that we don't have the power to boycott these organizations, and they would love to see that stop. Unfortunately, there are organizations that we don't have the power to boycott, segueing into our next story about the United States government and the Pentagon. So you may have heard over the past several days, while we've been taking a break from Tim Kast, that the Pentagon had a little bit of an accounting

error, which resulted in an extra $6.2 billion for Ukrainian military aid. You know, I really wish that every now and again, one of these accounting errors could result in the American people getting tax cuts or money being returned back to us. But it's kind of fascinating how these mistakes seem to happen in one direction. So the Pentagon said Tuesday that they overestimated the value of weapons sent to Ukraine by 6.2 billion over the past two years. And I don't know, I'm sitting here thinking we can't afford not to spend an extra 6.2 billion on aid to Ukraine. And apparently they can't afford not to have it because we're still sending it over there. They still get to keep it. And there's absolutely no accountability i mean i can't imagine a strategy more foolish for determining how your national defense or even just expenditure is handled by

putting it in the hands of people who pay absolutely no price for horrific mismanagement of those resources well that's the theme of our era is no accountability and certainly no one in the federal government is ever held accountable for things that they're quite rationally expected to be accountable for. I was saying before the show, as we were talking about this, that I'm surprised the Pentagon even bothered coming up with this story. Since when do they even care? Since when do they need an excuse? Usually they just say, we just decided to send some more they've failed their last five consecutive audits i mean the pentagon still in business yeah exactly can

you imagine let me ask you this as a legal expert are you aware of any large corporations that have failed five consecutive audits and just been fine business as usual well failing an audit is a funny concept you know i mean when when audits that there's that lawyer talk when audits when when questions are raised by audits boards of directors have responsibilities to follow up on those and they have a fiduciary obligation to shareholders to make sure that problems are addressed so you're you're asking the right question. The problem with government is that it is not only a word for people doing stuff together. Yeah, that's right. That's what government means. It's just when we get together.

And it's not even just a word for... Remember when we all got together and accidentally gave Ukraine an extra 6.2 billion when we all just got together and did that? That's what what government is what i'm kind of wondering here is one of the things i've kind of heard recently was that they a lot of the stuff that was sent to ukraine it was actually was actually the military was kind of happy to get rid of it a lot of it was was outdated stuff and you know it gives them an excuse to replace those things with new and better stuff. And maybe. It's like a clearance sale, but for military. Exactly.

Right. Got to get rid of it. Yeah. Got to get rid of it by shooting it at, or we're having, we're not shooting it. Of course, we're not shooting it. These people are shooting it to salvage their independence and their pride. This. Did not mean pride.

This story. Different pride. But you did say. This story reminds me, I don't know if it's a meme or whatever. salvage their independence and their pride this did not mean pride this story different pride but you did say uh this story reminds me i don't know if it's a meme or whatever i saw on twitter of like it comes up every tax season where it's like the government you owe me money me okay how much we can't tell you that's right is it this much no to jail like exactly this doesn't make any sense to me because the government gets to be like, we misplaced $6 billion. Let's stick a pin in that conversation because I think we will be coming back to it tonight again also.

I wonder if it's an inflationary thing. They gave technology over, which two years ago when they signed the paperwork, it's yours, was worth $6.2 billion less. And today they're like, oh, well, the value is now. Or if they're just priming people imagine a business imagine amazon calls you up and says remember when you bought 40 worth of worth of underwear yeah right it was 60 yeah crazy crazy we're just claiming that it was worth 60 after they sold it to me for 40 well or if what they're doing is priming us for another uh

announcement that they gave a 4040 billion of an accounting error. See, for me, it's like, why? It's the federal government, right? If they had just been like, and then we decided to give them $6.2 billion. They would have done that. To me, this means they knew that they were going to get caught for some reason. Like, they only admitted it and got out in front of the story. The government does not do things afterwards.

What would have happened? Exactly. we we we failed you caught me let me see your wallet sir like every single time like i said they never pay any price i want to single what are you going to do about it that's that's exactly what i was about to say sometimes i wonder if there's a little bit of rubbing people's faces in these kinds of situations i i almost wonder and i know it's a bit conspiratorial but if they come out and they admit these things because they just want to confirm that you're not going to do anything about it there's not really going to be any backlash well that's the fbi that's the fbi yeah we uh we you know that whole uh secret court thing where we're only supposed to you're supposed to trust us and that issues warrants we absolutely blew that i mean we just i don't know we would i don't know we were. I don't know what it was.

Someone made a dare. But we took a lot of stuff, a lot of secret confidential stuff that we shouldn't have taken. But whatever, right? And I mean, the FBI has admitted to far more horrific stuff than that, too. I mean, FBI and CIA, when you just look at the things that they've leaked, you go, I'm glad that they were transparent about this, but not to get too sidetracked. Hearing about things like, you know, MKUltra or Project Northwoods, any of these things that were going on behind the scenes that if the American people had known about them at the time, they might have actually attempted some kind of coup. And then you go, well, they're telling us now and they're also telling us that they would never do anything so horrible again so i guess everyone's just kind of kind of roll over and obey the regime i've been thinking about secret police lately like it's secret police and they've been thinking about well they are the fbi the cia secret their secret police um we've

had them for 100 years secret police are okay if they're not attacking themselves like if they're not attacking their own government but when it starts to invade and attack it's like an immune um response it's like uh what do you call what's like hiv it's uh attacks the immune system immunodeficiency so this is like an immunodeficiency when the secret police turn on itself so like the fact that it's going after a republican candidate for president for instance for or whatever tapping people's phones in the united states like that's a and the nazis had a secret police that went after itself they started going after their own people so like we gotta i'm i'm okay with allowing a cia to exist psych a lot like spiritually even having a secret

police force i understand there is value massive value to that but uh to protect our our species in our environment but but man when it goes on itself, I don't know how to make it not go on itself either. If it starts, how do you turn it around without having it gutted? When you mean go in on itself, what exactly are you saying there? If it starts to arrest other people within the political system of the country that it's supposed to operate. Well, this actually was most prevalent in the NKVD in the 1930s. And the astonishing thing that Stalin, among the many astonishing things that Stalin achieved was he gutted the leadership of the NKVD. What's the NKVD? That was the predecessor of the KGB.

Same exact thing. I mean, he would sometimes split them into different ministries, internal, external. But the bottom line is Soviet secret police were turned inside out. And it had been understood pretty much since Lenin and through the early purges of Stalin that to be what they call the checkist was to be a uniquely privileged person. You were the elite. And yes, from time to time, the number one guy would get his head chopped off. But being a dutiful checkist was still a very secure. And then all of a sudden, those had, and it was an extraordinary implementation of power on Stalin's part to be able to do that and not result in a kind of rebellion there.

Because there were so many different internal monitoring systems of the internal monitoring systems that you never knew which circuit you were pulling on you know which wire you were pulling on it is so it can be done and you know it the more power and in fact the more powerful and invasive your security state is the more likely that is to happen that is that a strong man can can start picking it apart without it realizing that it's being just destroyed or or even incapable at at stopping itself from being although i'm not sure that the cia as such or the nsa or the fbi have really suffered any harm themselves no themselves american security has exactly yeah well and that's and that's gets back to the problem we're discussing yeah exactly we know exactly what happened but you know ian you

were talking about these agencies turning on themselves you were talking about some examples of that and it goes back to what we were saying earlier about these organizations not really being held accountable so the nsa the cia the fbi i mean in theory you could argue that like at the very least the fbi may be a federal police force again i don't love the idea i'm not saying i'm in favor of it but if you just wanted to make an argument for a kind of federal police force existing what you what you would need to do is create a very strong incentive structure for it to not go off and do things that are against the interests of the american people and the church committee which none of you will remember but you've heard of

which investigated the mk ultra stuff and the spot you know the domestic spying was supposed to resolve that and what they didn't count on was that congress would completely drop the bow on its oversight. And also, you know, the post-9-11 security, you know, and secrecy reforms, so to speak, the legislative permit that was given to the security state to essentially operate with a degree of comprehension that would have been inconceivable in the 70s when the church hearings took place and which uh are incredibly invasive and there's no accountability yeah do you think that we need these agencies in today's america like should we terminate the fbi to your point, I can't imagine competing in the global world, the global world as opposed to the flat one, which everyone-

Yeah, I was going to say, we don't talk about that till the after show. The spherical world. You saw what happened. All right, don't make it happen again. I don't see how you could not have it. But on the other hand, I don't see how you could not have it but on the other hand i don't see how you you must they must be accountable and time to say the cliche who watches the watchers well exactly well and this

is the thing right they are watching everybody else so you look at the fbi the cia the nsa and all the mass data collection that's gone on the fact that they have information on literally anyone who could ever potentially stand up to try to regulate them. It seems to me you're either going to need a squeaky clean person in politics or someone in politics who doesn't care if they get exposed and have their life ruined or somebody who's both of those things or they're just going to keep doing whatever they want to do forever. Because even if you do find that person or enough people who fit that description, it's still a long shot.

I don't want to be too blackmailed about this, but these agencies are incredibly powerful there's there is a reason they were able to have the information come out to the american people that they were literally with the joint chiefs of staff plotting against the united states by planning a false flag attack or you know with mk ultra doing secret experiments on american citizens uh and still continue to exist, right? It's because they're pretty much impossible to get rid of at this point. And, you know, the question of, let's say you were made king for a day, right? So you had the power to disband the FBI.

That might not be such a great idea because now you have a lot of people with a lot of sensitive information and a lot of powerful tools who are unemployed and are looking to sell what they know. They're looking to become freelancers. And we're not going to put bullets in the back of all their heads. The vast majority of them are respectable people and they have their own, they have families, they feel like they're doing their duty. I think we have all been disabused of the notion that they are you know won't do whatever they have to do to maintain their jobs and as i said

last night you know their pensions and fine but be that as it may you can't just wish you just can't wish that away and and it is extremely it's a ratcheting effect very hard to imagine how you loosen how you loosen that. And by the way, we do have serious rivals on the world stage as well as serious problems with crime and with cybersecurity both internally and externally and corporate espionage. You do need sophisticated help. Government is very well positioned to do that. And I've never been the biggest libertarian in the world. I bet if Tim were here, he could make an argument

along the lines of privatizing those kinds of services. If you're a corporation and you have information that needs to be protected, or if you're a person that needs to be protected, move out to Maryland along the border of West Virginia. And, you know, everyone can do that. But be that as it may, I think there's a very strong consensus. And by the way, this is another point. The vast majority of Americans don't know that there's a problem.

Yeah. Well, speaking of it, you were kind of mentioning these sophisticated tools of analysis. Well, there are some stories that we can get to the bottom of without very sophisticated tools or even minds, which are very analytical. We're watching a very, very special segue.

Oh, we're watching a very special segue. Just you wait guys. I almost stuck the landing and then you had to make fun of me. At the end of the show, please rate his best segues and his worst segues we're gonna make we're gonna make a time stamp exactly after the show we're gonna do a compilation of of my best and worst uh segues well i'll just drop the name of the story i'll just drop the title of the the article here in the story we're gonna

talk about uh u.s funded scientists were among three chinese researchers who fell ill amid the early covid 19 outbreak identification of three who worked at wuhan institute of virology fuels suspicion for proponents of lab leak theory that's quite an understatement a prominent scientist who worked on corona virus projects funded by the U.S. government. Do I have to keep reading? Is one of three Chinese researchers who became sick with an unspecified illness during the initial outbreak of COVID-19. And let's keep it unspecified because we're getting food poisoning. According to current and former U.S. officials.

We're still on YouTube, right? So maybe it's whatever Tim has. Maybe someone else had to take over his podcast for a day. I have no idea. But what I will say is this. We have had a number of conversations on this story about lab leak hypothesis versus the it came from a bat that lived a thousand miles away from where the virus first sprang up theory, which I guess a nickname we could give to that shorthanded stupid, the insane stretch.

I don't know what else to call it. we have had conversations on this show about the fact that there are certain theories that we as the american people didn't have access to because information was withheld from us this is an example of the american people having basically all of the facts that they needed to have to come to the correct conclusion very early on but the media just continually gaslighting people about drawing the most obvious possible conclusion the reason the term conspiracy theorist is so effective is because what it does is it generates an image in the mind of the person who hears that term of an individual who doesn't go for the most succinct, credible, reasonable, and simple explanation, but who instead will make any kind of logical leap or stretch to believe whatever it

was they wanted to believe in the first place. Now, to me, that sounds a lot more like that description fits somebody who thinks that COVID sprang up in a population of bats that live a thousand miles away from wuhan as opposed to having come from the virus factory where they were doing gain of function research in the city where the virus first sprang up for our good for our good how can you question science i know i know and and with details now emerging i mean i i just have to laugh i'm glad that this story came out. I'm glad that this was published. I think this is valuable information for the American people to have.

Did we need this? Did we need this information to come to the most obvious possible conclusion here? Well, I think it is important that we start to find out who's funded by the U.S. government, including if Chinese researchers were being funded and getting sick.

Were they working in the COVID factory, the Wuhan Institute? Yeah, they were working at the Wuhan factory where they were working on COVID and they got ill being funded by U.S. government. It's the most obvious. It's insane, right? I think it's notable that it's coming from the Wall Street Journal, right? This isn't a fringe group that's exactly exactly what i was thinking is that okay is this going to be another fox hat oh no it's not wall street journal it's not newsmax it's no one who also so frankly i don't believe it it's wall street journal i don't know but it's not the wall street journal editorial

page either yeah it's it's the they are presenting it as fact they they feel as though they have the evidence to back this up. And I can't speak specifically to the Wall Street Journal, but most of these major mainstream outlets, we can kind of guess what their track record on this theory is, where they cited. The fact that this is being reported, I mean, we are three years out. A lot of people's attitudes towards the pandemic

have really shifted. But it's notable that... I now am very pro. You're for it? You think it was a good time? It changed your mind? Looking back, growth opportunity. You got to work out a lot. You're a bodybuilder now, right? That's what I've heard.

That actually might be what they try to... They might try to convince the American people to be in favor of it just so that they don't have to take accountability. Maybe we needed this time to ourselves. We all get to spend more time at home. I don't think Fauci had enough minutes. Ron became a bodybuilder. No, but I think that's the thing you should take away. Yes, like you're saying maybe we all already knew this information. Maybe this is drawing forth a conclusion that a lot of us had already assumed. But the reason the answer to your question is no is that read that last sentence.

The identity and role of the researchers is one piece of intelligence that has been cited by proponents of the judgment that's actually not very good writing. Proponents of the judgment that the pandemic originated with a lab leak. And that is not an award winning sentence, but

it's still, they don't actually take the position that this tends to prove or this proves that it was always bullshit that it was anything other than a lab leak the nature of their illness hasn't been conclusively proven yeah so it's just a bunch of facts we're going to line up but we can't say what happened yeah exactly i mean again there's one extremely obvious explanation would not appreciate if we got him to beized. No, no, no. So this is one of those things you are able to discuss,

but we probably shouldn't push out further into other questions of the medical science that YouTube would, frankly. We're not questioning science. We're questioning the Wall Street Journal. When I talk about the medical science, too, I think, well, there are certain elements of it that you're not allowed to discuss because that's, you know, how science works. But I know that with this, the establishment is actually starting to admit of it that you're not allowed to discuss because that's you know uh how science works but i know

that with this the establishment is actually starting to admit that this is clearly true that's what i'm thinking this is what the vibe i get it seems like people are like okay we've kind of figured out what happened and now these news organizations i don't want to speak for all of them but the ones that relied for so long on printing newspaper are failing they don't have the income that they used to have in there. They need to get to break the story. So one of them is going to be like, you know what, we're done with pretense.

Print it. Print it first. Print it before the New York Times. Print it before whoever USA Today. Just print it first. We'll be the guy now. Yeah, I think you're right. In news media, there's a lot of be there first

as fast as you can. Also, this is not a democrat centric story as such this is the uniparty this is the deep state this is the administrators this is the big government so that there's a little bit more room for that kind of reporting it's not like reporting on the biden's yeah yeah it actually makes the u.s government look kind of bad which might be good for other countries so So who's behind this news propaganda? I don't know. That's the research who owns the Wall Street Journal then. Right. I wonder how much money BlackRock's put into the Wall Street Journal. Let's find out.

That's a good question. Yeah. Please look that up for us right now, because that's certainly valuable information. I mean, I think I've pretty much made my point on this, that the explanation here from the gecko was unbelievably obvious we've had a number of different people in media and uh in you know the the channels of the united states government and actual like official institutions that people look to as authorities throughout this entire pandemic come out and say that they were not either being honest with us from the beginning but maybe a better way of putting it is saying they weren't being truthful because that doesn't necessarily demand that we believe that they are being intentionally dishonest just that what they were saying clearly wasn't true so there are certain see i get the

lawyer the lawyer the lawyer appreciates me saying that because you just hit on something that i actually had wanted to say before but i'd forgotten which was misinformation information they want you to miss. Oh, I like that. Thank you. Misinformation is a made up word. There's disinformation. Disinformation is an affirmative attempt to lie to you about reality so that you,

for policy reasons, for political reasons, get misinformed. I was misinformed. They told me the show started at seven. It starts at eight. Someone made a mistake or even someone did it onformed. I was misinformed. They told me the show started at 7. It starts at 8. Someone made a mistake or even someone did it on purpose. I was misinformed. There was never such a thing as misinformation.

I mean, the formative might have existed theoretically, but misinformation is something that was created in the social media era as a term to describe what might not be true true what might not be truth but to make it sound like those who repeat it are engaged in disinformation because it's rhymes with

and it alludes to disinformation but accusing someone of disinformation is almost saying that they're competent state actors or something you don't't want to say that. You want to say rather that they're- Interesting, yeah. So that's what a lot of what we're talking about, that's the theme. And you mentioned this, you sort of mentioned it earlier. The idea is to get across an official narrative and to marginalize anyone who departs from it as being engaged in misinformation. Not in misinforming people. Because when you misinform people, people it's like i thought the movie started at nine yeah exactly people make mistakes no it's because you're bad yeah no i think that's a very good point it's a

very good way of looking at it thank you i think what everyone has to remember here is the media you know social media platforms and basically everyone in government including people in government who are actually colluding with social media companies to have them censor people from those platforms were claiming that their interest was in protecting the american people now if it's true that you are genuinely just a seeker of truth who wants to use the best information available to protect people then when your track record ends up revealing that you have been consistently incorrect about important details which you punish people for speaking truth on you'd imagine some kind of humility would be demonstrated and

you would loosen your grip over the control of informational flow or you would loosen your restrictions and on some things they have however they still act with a degree of authority and certainty, which is not only unearned, but what, which has been thoroughly dismissed and refuted by the facts. I would say has been entirely undermined by their own track record. It's either that is that they were incompet incompetent or malicious and either way i'm concerned with that's why i just don't buy anything at face value anymore it's really

eroding my will to live i will admit oh dude like on a yeah like it's just happening slowly like piece by piece is coming out of me stone by stone i'm like i'm i'm it's getting dark like the future i don't see a good future in 10 years with this ai revolution and the amount of stranglehold that the u.s government seems to be trying to keep on people like it just admit it sometimes you know like let it out of let people live and thrive otherwise i can't imagine anything good happening in the next five years geopolitically i mean not not nothing but i'm saying i i don't i mean if if people if they're willing to shut off people's bank accounts that are trying to live off the grid like what the hell are we doing to ourselves

i'm very concerned man and by the way the vanguard group owns 18 of news corp which owns uh the company that we were just talking about the wall street journal yeah vanguard yeah man um i i hear a lot of what you're saying and i think there are a lot of people in the audience who probably feel similarly about seeing a very bleak future ahead of them but i mean don't lose your will to live over it you matter i mean you matter as a person yeah exactly grimcast that might be part of it it's too much coffee too much coffee maybe cast maybe you just got so blackpilled by that information and i will say if you work in news media and you just consume these stories back to back to back to back to back it's true it is easy for it to become like you do you you have to research the show it gets really dark on

the other hand you have to remember all the things that happen in your daily life that are worth continuing to push against the system for yeah yeah man so i i don't it's just like a psychology hour if i have kids what are they going to be 20 years old and shipped off to the military to fight some war or like a defensive nuclear war? Like I guess robots. What will you decide not to push back? I mean, that's part of a part of self-determination, right? Like you have the free will to be actively present in the life you have right now and

to do what you can to make the world a place that you would want to pass down to your children. I think you have to resist giving up yeah man because you can't lose hope that the establishment actually thrives off of you not having hope when the people they're trying to subjugate don't see a path forward that's when they win that's when they win and that's part of the attack on religion yep yep absolutely the attack on religion and the attack on the family as well you mentioned something about children again i don't have any kids but from every single parent i've ever spoken to it sounds to me like like choosing to have children is a tremendous act of hope you're hoping that

there will be a better future you're you're being optimistic and saying i'm gonna bring life into this world because i think it's going to be a good thing that that i did it was uh you mentioned to us before the show that you renewed your faith in your early 20s was this idea of hope and having a path forward something that did that for you? That's a good question. I mean, really, you know, growing up in what's considered to be a secular Jewish environment, although it was very strongly ethnic because of the immigrant component of my parents and grandparents, you know, and then finding myself as someone whose own parents had not gone to college and all of a sudden I was at Princeton.

So I was in the very precipice of – In an elite school. In an elite school and sort of supposedly the entree into the elite of the world, which is not – what I learned much, much later was that these schools mostly perpetuate networks. They're not there to invite you into their network. Although, if you want to de-self yourself enough to really be a member of the club, you could. De-self yourself. But that was precisely, that's actually a Jane Coleman. That's my wife's, that is my wife's phrase. Not that she ever uses it.

You know what Woodrow Wilson said? The purpose of academia is to make a man as little like his father as possible. Yes, and that's why his name has been stripped off every building in Princeton. Ironically enough. Honestly, I think that's the one thing he said they'd probably love. Right, but not his name. Exactly, they've moved away from their ideological father. But the answer to the question

is yes. I mean, looking at this strong identity that I had, and then looking at what really assimilating really meant, and the fact that I identity that I had and then looking at what really assimilating really meant. And the fact that I knew that I, I had an,

an inherent belief in God and in the validity of the Jewish tradition as being something that was valid and meaningful to me. It, what I did was I went to, I went to Israel to study and became much more knowledgeable about my heritage and actually took a couple of years between graduating law school and starting what would eventually become legendary legal career to study talent. Did religion bring some humility to you? Imagine what it was like before. Can you just imagine?

I don't think I can. No, actually, well, that's much more humbling than being 25 years old and have a degree from Princeton and from law school in Northwestern. Yeah, that sounds really humbling, man. No, no, no. a beginner's yeshiva in israel and learning basically the abcs yeah you know stuff that my kids learned when they were seven and eight yeah so that was but the humbling um effect did pass yes yeah no of course well and i'll i'll mention this and i think we could have a really fascinating uh discussion about this and about religion and faith on the after show but this is one thing a lot of people are deprived of is a religious education, because parents say, you know, I want to let my kids choose when they're older, your kids going to make a choice

when they're older, regardless, give them an inheritance, give them a faith, teach them something so that if they do choose it, they don't have to start from square one, like they're, they're like a little kid learning it all for the first time. And my friend from Princeton days, Yoram Hazzoni, writes in his books about national conservatism and about conservatism. People under a misapprehension, they think, well, why should my child be exposed to our particular religion? Sure, he has to have religious education, but what makes our family's tradition any more valid stop asking a stupid question it's your family's tradition it's what made you who you are do you like your parents do you like your grandparents if you don't it's probably because of freud throw that stupid ass tradition

out the window based all right yeah we agree on that we definitely agree on throwing freud up we couldn't save more yeah and i think we'll save more of it well one thing i would say to people like when you start learning about like christianity and catholicism and decide to become catholic then don't don't you know feel free to to not do the same contentious show the jews card would be played we'll talk about it on the after show

we'll talk about it let me give you a touch a touch more of the black pill before and then we can carry the rest on because the next story is a black pill so let's get both i gained a faith in god 10 years ago or so 15 years ago i started to feel it i was like okay cosmic microwave background radiation radio telescopes can see this web of radiation i'm like maybe this is god or part of maybe i'm seeing like an after effect of it or something but then i'm like okay the last week i was like oh geez good and evil people are like good triumphs over evil and all the movies good triumphs over evil and i'm like, okay, the last week I was like, oh, geez, good and evil. People are like good triumphs over evil and all the movies, good triumphs over evil.

And I'm like, you know what? I think most of the time evil triumphs over good because it's willing to destroy. And then it just tells people it was the good guy. And I think that's the history of humanity. So even if you believe in God and all these things that we're supposed to believe in and have faith, it's like, then what? We're going to perpetuate this cycle of evil taking over again. And then brainwashing everyone to think that they were the good guys.

So pessimistic. We'll get into it on the after show. We'll get it on the show. Cause we have, we have other black pills that I have to feed people right now. Otherwise I'd want to stay on this topic. So we will flesh it out later. But speaking of humility,

we've got a story about Hunter Biden here. The most humble member of, I guess we could say our Royal class in the United States at this point, especially when you look at the way that they're treated. I mean, no, effectively, he's royalty. People, it's one of the number one critiques of monarchy, and it's one of the number one reasons people supported democracy. What happens if you're in a monarchy and the king just has an absolutely horrible family? You end up being ruled by complete degenerates. Well, that's not a what if.

That's literally what is happening to us right now in a democracy. There's plenty of depravity in the history of the Roman Empire, right? Amen. These guys, they filled up the history books with some pretty sleazy moves. But we have our own royal family. We wouldn't want them to get all the glory we would also want to destroy the reputation of american people well exactly so we have elites in this country this is something ian and i talked about quite a while ago uh and

what i said is the way i define elite is someone who will not pay any consequence for their actions that's basically how an elite is defined in a system which is as corrupt as ours is. And when you're looking at somebody like Hunter Biden and our next story, which is the fact that IRS whistleblowers actually came out and not just one, but two of them and alleged that there was political interference in the Hunter Biden investigation. Talk about information I didn't need. Exactly. Although this is exactly what I was saying earlier with the lab leak hypothesis. Right. exactly although this is exactly what i was saying earlier with the lab leak hypothesis right there's just story after story after story of the conspiracy theorists being proven right information that we were already well aware of i appreciate these guys coming forward i agree that this stuff has to come out and it's good that they're talking about it but the fact is nobody

thought this was going to be impartial or unbiased. Under the Obama administration, the IRS was specifically targeting conservative groups. This has been a biased organization for a very long time. It didn't start with Hunter Biden. And if it did start with Hunter Biden, it was so blatant and obvious that basically everyone in this country was already in a position where they'd be capable of hearing it without these whistleblowers. That said, we're glad they stepped forward forward they should be commended and they should be thanked the justice department in delaware u.s attorney's office went out of their way to hamper an irs investigation of hunter biden's taxes by consistently slow walking the case preventing enforcement actions by the irs and tipping off actions related to the investigation to biden's attorneys in

advance according to a new whistleblower testimony released thursday by the house ways and means committee now just a show of hands who in the room is surprised by this cricket sound effect yeah exactly it's weird when there's a story where the irs are the good guys like the irs are like we're just trying to do our job. The people disobeying the IRS from inside of the IRS are the good guys. But it's the Justice Department and Delaware Attorney General's Office that are slow walking this investigation.

They have been, I mean, the mere fact that they never acted on any of this stuff, I mean, you know, that's the dog that didn't bark. I mean, it was obvious. And I mean, you know, that's the dog that didn't bark. I mean, it was obvious. And I mean, and apparently everyone knew that that was a private franchise of the Biden family. I mean, this is not news to anyone. Yeah. Well, and you look at the fact that Biden, Hunter Biden, that is specifically, failed to pay about a million dollars in taxes and i'm asking you as a lawyer if if if i you know a nice guy

like me failed to pay the government a million dollars that i owed it do you think i would get two misdemeanor charges i'd be able to plead out of that i think you would get two misdemeanor charges on every square inch of your body and the felony charges would be lodged in um other parts of your body that would be less visible. Yeah. No. Okay. That's a colorful way of describing it. Let me ask.

What if you were my lawyer? Then you wouldn't even get the dupe. All right. Perfect. Yeah. Well, maybe that was Hunter's mistake. He didn't hire you. You would get a congressional medal of honor.

I mean, I think it's worth noting that he admitted- I'm surprised Hunter didn't, to be honest. I mean, it's coming. He hasn't gotten it yet. There's no such thing as a law firm anymore that works for both Democrats and Republicans. That's over. So, we are, I don't know if you might have picked up on this Harvey Dillon thing,

but we are a Republican law firm. Is there really none? There's no impartial ones? For all practical purposes, that's. Jeez. I mean, in the upper echelons. I mean, it might be in local politics that it's still more you know unpolitical but is that just since trump got in trump was the turning point yeah yeah i would say so sorry hannah clara oh i think it's worth noting that these this whistleblower testimony was pre-scheduled i'm assuming So they always knew that they were going to testify on the 22nd.

And earlier this week is when Hunter Biden accepts his plea deal and is like, ah, yes, I did do something wrong. We're not going to talk about it anymore. That means they knew this was coming. That makes me think what else is going to come out. Again, I always think anyone in these positions of power or privilege try to get in front of the story so if hunter accepted the plea deal on what was it monday what other whistleblower testimony are they

trying to prevent from from moving forward because his attorney specifically said with this plea deal my understanding is that the investigation is closed like now we stop now we don't ask any more questions it's true but it is interesting that his attorney's position is now you stop asking questions. Hunter took the guilty plea. We're not going to talk about it anymore. And obviously, I don't think most of the American public agrees with that. We've referenced it a couple of times, this idea of a multi-tier justice system in which Hunter Biden is allowed to, you know, every report that i read after he his plea came out was he is not expected to serve jail time he's also got this gun charge uh hanging

over his head that is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and he's a white man you think he's gonna get it yeah no there's no expectation in our country that he will go to jail and the fact that all of us can look at each other and say it's extremely unlikely that hunter biden's gonna go to jail for something that anyone else in this room at each other and say it's extremely unlikely that Hunter Biden's going to go to jail for something that anyone else in this room would be convicted and punished to the full extent of the law is crazy. How can Joe Biden,

who's presenting himself as a man of the people, all the unions support him. Middle-class Joe, he calls himself. Ignore his way out of this. His son is not going to serve a sentence that everyone else in this country would have to. He played the nepotism card when they asked him. was like rub your nose in it i love my son his description as the commander-in-chief of the military when finding massive corruption with

a family member was it's my family member i love my son like dude you're the commander you have no choice you have to put your family member in prison like if they violate authority you do what's right for the country that's why you have the role no amen member in prison like if they violate authority you do what's right for the country that's why you have the role no amen well and i'll also say this for anyone who would for anyone who would argue that he should not allow for hunter to be locked up because that's his son and he's in this position of authority well you know what if your son doesn't care for the boundaries that you have to set as a leader enough to not break the law and embarrass you immensely when you're the

president of the United States, then what do you owe him? Lock him up. Now, of course, we know what Hunter owes him, and it's allegedly 10 percent. But well, I think it's worth noting that Hunter didn't file taxes in 2017 and 2018. There is no way on earth that Joe Biden wasn't considering running for the presidency at some point in the years before that. That means he knew that he was potentially going to run. Every person who's run for office goes through intense scrutiny. He couldn't have looked at Hunter and be like, did you file your taxes? That would be really good for me if you did that.

Well, Hunter's the smartest guy he knows. That's true. Which actually the thing is, that actually might be true. Hunter might be the smartest person Joe Biden knows. Which is scary. Which is scary, but I think that might be true when you just look at his circle. I think that Joe is going through a state of mind right now where he's like, oh, I did this to Hunter.

It's my fault for putting him in Burisma. I'm going to eat this one. Just let him go. But he's not. Joe Biden isn't being punished this one. Just let him go. He's not. Joe Biden isn't being punished for it. Hunter Biden's not being punished. So no one's being punished for this. And again, this is not the way anyone else would be treated.

And I think there is no way voters can look at the Bidens and say they are of the people. They are not. By the way, I mentioned this earlier, but do you remember when he claimed that people called him middle class Joe? They didn't mean it as a compliment, man. you remember when he claimed that people called him middle class, Joe? They didn't mean it as a compliment, man. No one ever called you that ever. First of all, no one in American politics is going, oh, look at the person the middle class can relate to. Let's laugh at them. That's not how this country works. Okay. People who hate the middle class still pretend to love it while denigrating it stripping all of its wealth

away and insulting its values no one ever called joe biden middle class joe but you were going to make a point and i so rudely interrupted no i don't think so i think i might have i i do have this ability to make a face that looks like that to make a point but uh if i was i would i don't remember what it was no actually the point was i knew it i have to come up with a point now right he's gonna filibuster till he has a point point was that there was never any concern whatsoever on his part whether or not he filed the taxes because he knew that no he's never been held accountable for anything and he will not be held accountable for anything because they have the system absolutely right stacked right what if this was donald trump jr what would we hear from the media what would

we hear from from congress what we hear from the executive branch there's no way he wouldn't do prison time we were being totally adam schiff was saying that he had information about trump jr and that he was going to be thrown in prison. And we were hearing all of this nonsense from everyone in the media about how the walls were closing in. They were closing in on Donald Trump and they were closing in on his family. And of course, what we ended up finding with the investigation with the Durham report was once again, something that we all knew, which was that the deep state was politically motivated and they were attempting a soft coup against a sitting president so when somebody who is anti-establishment ends up attaining the highest office in the

country in an unbelievable and unprecedented feat by being elected president as an outsider and then the deep state does everything they can to subvert the democratic process and unseat that person and everyone in the media repeats a narrative which we all know was a total farce to the point where they convince the american people to believe things that are factually untrue to the point where 60 percent of democrats intuitively to the point where 60 percent of democrats said in a yougov survey that the 2016 election was tampered with by russians in the sense that they were literally retallying vote totals. Now, no one in the media openly said this.

They just very strongly implied it for several years. So that's the treatment that you get when you're an outsider trying to enter into the establishment. When you are in the establishment, you can do whatever you want and you will not pay any price. And if you do, it'll be a slap on the wrist so they can say, see, we're impartial. Hunter Biden did end up catching charges. He was prosecuted in a court of law because we gave him two misdemeanors for something you'd be spending decades in jail for

had you done it. Yeah. I mean, we're done. You can speak to this. That's everything. That's all of it. I think you probably speak to this better than I can. But with a plea deal, both sides come to an agreement.

Someone says, this is what we're willing to offer you. And that means the U.S. government was like, Hunter what we're willing to offer you. And that means the U.S. government was like, Hunter, we're willing to offer you no jail time for this. Like, that's bizarre to me. This seems so crazy. It's not unexpected. He is the president's son. On the other hand, I just think voters should remember this

as they go towards November 2024. Absolutely agreed. Absolutely agreed. And very, very, very few voters will be swayed by it yeah that's true i don't know about that because it was something like 10 of voters according to a poll published by the washington examiner said had the hunter biden laptop story not been covered up they wouldn't have voted for joe i just think it's worth i do think some people will care yeah that's actually very few though at 10 it was of them people who voted democrat i believe i

understand that it that like seven to ten i i want to double check on that and it might be that that might have made a difference in a couple of swing states but at the end of the day what we are saying is that 90 percent of democrats would have shrugged their shoulders yeah oh absolutely well we know shrug their shoulders as many times as possible you just need to wake enough people up referencing polls is risky because you got to find out how many people it might be that it was like a thousand people were asked and it was 10 of a thousand people said and the question might have been asked like had you known that hunter biden's laptop something something whereas opposed to if they just seen the laptop two weeks ago it wouldn't really have but when they're looking at the piece

of paper with the question aren't they're like yes i just think hunter biden cumulatively that's fair but i do think i agree with you that polls were imperfect but i think when we have the information it's important to do something with it yeah i was gonna say i think just cumulatively we should look at hunter biden we should talk about navy his his daughter who is also he's ignoring like i think we should all look at everything hunter biden does and say this is the child that joe biden raised yeah well just maybe it's not enough to persuade every voter but i think but is but the real story though is notwithstanding the character serious character That Joe Biden raised. Yeah. Well. Maybe it's not enough to persuade every voter. But I think. But the real story though.

Is notwithstanding the character. Serious character flaws of Hunter Biden. And many great families have had. Seriously depraved children. And. A great deal of wealth. Can have that effect. Absolutely.

On even the best of families. And especially when it's. Wealth. Generated by corruption. Yeah. But. The real story. going back to our theme is this is what elites can get away with yes it's what elites can get away with and i'll also add this it's not just that hunter biden was raised in an extremely wealthy family it's he was raised in an extremely wealthy family and his father is a coward and a phony his dad also probably wasn't around very much i mean if he worked for 40 50 years and in in congress he's been in congress since the 70s

right that's uh it's a long time to be spending 28 days a month away from your family he's from delaware he took the train home every night yeah he took the train middle class took the train home every night yeah that's what he claimed oh that's good they called the middle class joe and he took the train home every night and he fought corn how claimed oh that's good they called the middle class joe and he took the train home every night and he fought corn he gave himself a nickname is their call so they call me man they didn't mean it as a compliment man it's like okay well let me tell you something joe this is what happens to you by the way when when hunter is the smartest person who you know biden uh was in india alongside the indian prime minister and he he raised his hand to his heart he's in washington he was it oh i'm so sorry he was in

washington but they were that you're absolutely correct yes you have the presidential seal right there points off but look at this you're never coming back on this show you're out i mean i'm the new host i just know that tim would just i tim would have lost his mind his beanie's off here's here's well maybe hunter's the smartest guy i know at this point i've just completely uh completely crashed this goes going great okay all right so we're just gonna we're gonna start again and we're gonna edit this okay all right no one's ever gonna see this happen all right so this is what happens when hunter biden is the smartest person you know joe b was alongside the Indian prime minister. He raised his hand to his heart because he expected that they were going to play the U.S. national anthem.

And they didn't. They played the Indian national anthem, of course, and Joe Biden stood there and then slowly started to lower his hand when he realized. Oh, man. Look at that. What a champ. That's why video cameras are cool. Yeah, I think this is going to be the thing that's going to make people realize that Joe is not who they think he is. I think it's

seeing more and more gas, but I mean, it's like a gaffe a day. It's multiple gaffes per day. We see like one. Yeah. Remember when he said he broke his leg because he was grabbing his dog's tail getting out of the shower? And it's like, I't i don't know dude this man got elected and then i believe it was just right after he was inaugurated he told us he broke his leg because he tried to grab his dog's towel while he was getting out of the shower and his foot i just i like to imagine most

americans were were looking at that and going oh my goodness what have we done but i actually don't think so i i think a lot of them were thinking like, thank God Trump's not in office. He might have broke his leg when he tried to grab his dog's tail getting out of the shower. But it would be worse if Trump was in office. Exactly. That's a lot of the thoughts right now. It's very scary.

It is very scary. Ron has a very grim face. Tell me more. How much do you love Joe Biden on a scale from 1 to 100? I know love is a vague word. I have do you love Joe Biden on a scale from 1 to 100 I know love is a vague word I have no use for Joe Biden 1 to 100 is too granular do you think that there's any value

he gets a 2 there have been worse tyrants than Joe Byron Joe Byron I like to that doesn't even make him worse if you're going to be a tyrant do it he's so mediocre. He's a wannabe dictator.

He's a mediocre dictator. I think you should be a proper dictator. Well, that's the thing, though, is that he's a dictator who you can buy, okay, as opposed to those dictators who you can't even buy because they just have that. That's a fair point. The dictators who own the people with money as opposed to the ones who are owned by the people with money. Very good point.

I get this vibe. And I don't have a reference that he's like functioning as a dictator but doesn't know doesn't realize it yeah i don't know i think he realized anything he's got remember when he said he was losing his patience with us i'm losing my patience man what do you mean your patience your memory extends five seconds into the past there's no it's not possible for you to lose your patience but he's been been a senator, not just a mere member of Congress, which is only a couple of clicks above being a milkman, okay? It's below being a milkman. Milkmen

are useful. They bring us a product that we use. They're good people. Yeah, good point. Speaking of which, I just spilled water on this keyboard. Flip it upside down. That's the best thing. Did you ever see Tim in a million years spilling on his... Tim would have never spilled water live on the show.

He actually hasn't. Hey, Ian. He actually hasn't. No, no, no. I got it. You know why Tim lost his voice? I think the thing is

Seamus gets a big ego and he thinks, I can do this show, Tim. You don't see them after the show every night. He's like, you should have done this. You should have...

Oh, not only that. He saw Jack last night. It's worse than that. I got him sick, actually. I coughed in his drink. I said, said i'm gonna be the host next time he's seeing my plan was to spit a lot on the keyboard you know he he's he's a king he comes in he owns he absolutely has the moves seamus was thinking absolutely obviously anyone could do this i said i said it's child's play turns out it's harder than he thinks no i didn't i mean i think we are there we're i'm gonna return to the point here because we can talk about

endless number of joe biden gaffes my personal favorite was when he was in ireland and said i don't want to go home that's a rough statement did he say i don't want to go home when he was in ireland he also said he's not irish because none of his relatives are drunk or in jail well it's rough uh and if you're black, if you don't vote for Joe Biden, you're not black. I mean, there's rough stuff coming out. Is this enough, though? We're sort of returning back to the same point.

Will voters look at this guy and say, we can't keep going? He is unpopular. There were polls that indicated a majority of Democrats felt he was too old to run again. Nonetheless, the Democratic Party seems to think that they're going to, you know, pick him as their nominee.

At what point do we look at him and say nothing you can do matters because you are going to have the establishment behind you i'm in that point right now but i also think hating someone is not the way to make a better world like a lot of what got us here was trump derangement people that couldn't stand trump they'll vote for anything else so if people hate biden that much they'll vote for anything else could be even worse it could be exponentially worse and that's why the reason that i say he's not a tyrant is you know and before you before you had your continence prop over here uh it was that he's not a dictator he is he is he's a crook and he enjoys having power so that it can enrich himself.

He's been a senator for a generation. Then he was vice president, which is a job where you get lots of quirks. Quirks? Quirks is an interesting word for that. Perks, maybe? Perks. You get lots of perks and queer perks. That's what I was thinking.

It is pride month. Yeah. You get a lot. But the what I was thinking. It is Pride Month. Yeah. A lot. But the point is he's used to being the boss. He's used to being the man and he's risen to seniority in the Senate. Therefore, he is impatient. He is short with people. He's not bright.

So therefore, he uses authority as a proxy for the ability to convince people. And if you, you know, we all should take a look, everyone, before you go to bed tonight, look at a video of Joe Biden from the 70s or 80s. This was a very, very articulate man. Not brilliant and not well-spoken as such such but the point is he okay if he's articulate he's well spoken but he he had the tools to do the job and then he ran out of gas but what he became was a useful we have a word in yiddish a golem he became a zombie, an effective zombie in whom a new SD card could be placed every morning with that day's where to stand. And he has all those many years of authority.

When do you think he ran out of gas? I'm just curious about the timeline. During the Obama administration. I think you could see one man coming in and much less of a man coming out yeah he used to talk really fast and sharp even in like 2006 in those debates with obama and hillary clinton man he was i mean i didn't like him a lot he made chopped liver out of out of paul ryan yeah yeah but then he would turn to the camera because the way he ryan was terrible and biden he they had and by the way whoever coaches the democrats on uh on debates years ago they have a thing about smiling a really obnoxious

thing about smiling i remember biden looking into the camera with these phony pearly whites yeah and just smirking always been phony. Oh my gosh. But Ryan was helpless. Ryan was like a deer caught in the headlights. You don't think so? Yeah. Biden?

Ryan. Well, look, it's been a long time. I mean, this was the 2012 cycle. I was pretty young. Even before. I was still in high school. 06, 07. No, he's talking about Paul Ryan versus Joe Biden.

I remember watching it, and at the time, I thought that Ryan did better because I wasn't really impressed by Joe Biden. But that also could have been my political bias and the fact that I was 17 at the time. But we've got another story here that I want to try to push into. Pixar, the beloved children's film producer, which for a very long time couldn't seem to miss has been doing worse and worse over the years and many people are speculating it's because of wokeness well now their new film elemental has absolutely bombed at the box office doing worse than any of pixar's films

have ever done and it just happens to feature their first non-binary character. So are those two things related? Is this just a product of the new marketplace and streaming services? It's certainly possible, but I just want to start by highlighting some of the figures here. Firstly, Elemental opened to about $29.5 million its first weekend, which is the worst opening in Pixar's history. To be clear, Toy Story made $29.1 million its first weekend which is the worst opening in pixar's history to be clear toy story made 29.1 million its opening weekend back in 1995 and it had a 30 million dollar budget okay so accounting for inflation pixar's first film when they were a totally unknown studio which

did not have hit after hit after hit and a well-proven brand blew this current film absolutely out of the water elemental compared to toy story's 30 million dollar budget had a 200 million dollar budget and not to belabor the point made the exact same amount it's opening weekend as toy story in face value numbers in face value numbers i'm not talking about real income i'm not talking about real revenue. I'm not talking about real revenue. I am not talking about inflation adjusted numbers. I am talking about the actual raw figures. So they need to have 10 opening weekends just to break even on the production budget.

Forget the marketing. Yep. Yep. That's just the production budget. And money's not free anymore, by the way. No, it is not. So there's cost of capital. I watch a lot of these videos about guys talking about what representation and equity and diversity have done to Disney and to Marvel.

And what very few of the people are talking about is the cost of capital. It's not enough to break even. When you break even, you're saying that the three years that we spent nursing this $500 million on this project, we didn't lose it. Actually, you did lose it because the interest on $500 million in the last three years is real money. I mean, for guys like you and me it's real money for you not so much but yeah no not not ian he he'll be fine but no even for these massive companies i mean this is again this is uh another example and probably the worst example at least for pixar in a trend that we've seen over the past several years and part of it is these streaming services

and the fact that people know that if a film doesn't really catch their interest all that much, they don't need to take the kids to see it opening weekend. They can see it later on. But also there is an element, I think, of wokeness, political correctness, and trying to push leftism in children's media that has affected the revenue that a lot of these companies are seeing. So an example we saw about two years ago, one or two years ago, I believe, was the Buzz Lightyear spinoff film that was released, and it did abysmally. And people were saying that this wasn't a product of the fact that there was a lesbian kiss in the background of the film, and parents were totally fine with that, and they chose not to see it for other reasons. And it's true that some people might have chosen not to see the film for other reasons, but the reality is two of the top 10 highest earning children's films of all time are Toy Story films, right? And then they release a spinoff film and I'm not going to go as far as

to say it bombed, but it performed very poorly given that franchise's track record. And people may want to argue if they're on the left, that the fact that there is a lesbian kiss in a toy story movie didn't affect its marketability or whether parents would choose to take their children to see it. But I think that's flat on its face absurd. And I think the idea that parents were in no way affected by a non-binary character being in this children's film is equally absurd even if streaming did play a role. What? I started out wanting to ask a different question but I think I've answered that one and I have a new question.

My original question had been at the beginning we talked about Target and you know, middle America not wanting to take their kids into a Target store because of the freaky things that they're selling. And now we're talking about middle America not wanting to take their kids into a Target store because of the freaky things that they're selling. And now we're talking about middle America not wanting to take their kids to a movie theater because of the freaky things they're selling. Yep.

And in the middle, we talked about how Americans don't give a shit. They'll just vote Democratic no matter what. And Democratic has completely embraced, the Democratic Party has embraced, there's a disconnection here. The answer seems to me to be that general feel-good political allegiances and voting are hard to dislodge. And even though we can always find and do always find social media sharing of footage from footage. The old man said footage.

Yeah, we developed it in the dark. Film. Okay. The video of the family-friendly drag show, and you're wondering what the hell family, what parents are taking their kids? But by and large, at the end of the day, most normal

americans will even vote democratic will even believe the media and the implausible stories that they come up with about origins of the of you know of covet they when it comes to pressing, pushing this sexualization, even forget whether or not it has to do with homosexuality or transsexuality or any of that stuff, sexualization of children, people still have, I think, normal people. And that's still the majority an inherent revulsion why does my kid have to be involved with this at all agreed agreed i think that's

the right way of putting it it's a revulsion a person doesn't have to go through like an intellectual rationalization for why they're not taking their kid to see that they just go that's that's disgusting i don't want to show that to my kid they feel it in their gut and they say this isn't for our family and they do something else they don't need to explain it to themselves and i think that's the hard thing about modern culture for a lot of parents they're being pressed to say but why wouldn't you do this why won't you do that right and they don't have a religious doctrine to fall back on because they don't go to church anymore and they don't observe you know the tenets of their religion and yet their souls are screaming within them amen that there is right and wrong in

this world that there is certainly call it natural law call it god's but there is morality that there are things that matter there are values that are not malleable and people are embarrassed to be associated with a religious um rationale for having those feelings because what could be less fashionable well and i think this is why it's so important to the alphabet people to go after children because it is true as you said this is this is written on man's heart he understands this there are certain things that are wrong and when a child sees something grotesque for the first time they're going to respond as they are naturally inclined to i'm not saying everything that we feel internally is indicative of a moral reality sometimes we're wrong but in general especially when it comes to sexually perverse behavior when someone's exposed to it, they recoil. They find it to be disgusting. So the reason they want

to show it to children is because what they're effectively doing is a kind of perverse exposure therapy, which we usually call grooming. But of course, because the left wants this particular form of grooming to continue, they're not allowing people to call it that but that's exactly what it is we need to try to expose children to this and then gaslight them out of following that initial internal sense of revulsion towards the perversity in front of them and it doesn't have to even be perversity as i said the entire most normal young children are uncomfortable with outward displays of what we might call romantic affection they don't really want to see mommy and daddy kissing a kiss is okay they don't they don't want to see you making out with your spouse they do not want any part of that as they shouldn't like an adult wouldn't but but but if you wanted to create a

world where like adults were just making out in front of each other and in front of kids and being weird then you'd go to san francisco you'd go to san francisco no but that's what these groomers do they they they try to expose children to it as early as possible so that's normal to them it becomes normal to them exactly exactly i think it's also important to mention that a lot of the people that are performing in drag and etc and in these in these environments i mean i was a dj for years and i've been around a lot of the gay community say what you will about it but they don't feel comfortable doing this they don't want children to be around like that and a lot of them are in the situation where they're essentially being forced by people that are like yeah i represent a couple of

organizations um one is right one is a gaze against groomers yes okay great people and these are you know these are these are real homos these In other words, these are people who are not... They're activists. They certainly are. They're activists. It is a big part of their identity. I mean, there's an entire different conversation of, does tolerance of homosexuality require me to have to hear about your homosexual interests all the time?

Separate and apart from that that what my clients are saying is they're killing our community yes they're killing the reputation and the image we had and by the way there's a parallel to what's happened with with race relations in this country because most of us until barack obama was not only until barack obama was elected but especially after barack obama was elected thought we did it we on race relations yeah we've done we have turned that corner we can elect and that and by the way many many many people voted for him to demonstrate to themselves exactly that i'm not racist they're not racist voted for a black president and what happened is the door was opened to a radicalization not necessarily

because of obama himself i don't think so but because of people around him i actually don't have that sort of really uh intense uh hatred of obama that a lot of people do. You should probably talk to someone. I mean, you should get that checked out. Not hatred, strong dislike. I strongly dislike, I won't say. Because hating is not a good way to go. Strong dislike, but continue, continue.

No, the point is, the point is, people thought that we had, we sort of had the point is, people thought that we had, you know, we sort of had the sexual revolution and a lot of morality, moral choices were unbound and traditional. And we were not necessarily, all of us, that comfortable, especially those of us who are traditional religionists. Fine, fine. You know, you go and ruin your own society. We're going to just hunker down. It's inescapable now.

Exactly. There's nowhere they won't let you. And by the way. And that's always how it trends, by the way. They're never okay doing their perverse thing and then leaving other people alone to live a traditional moral lifestyle. There's never a limiting principle.

Nope. And there can't be. Because when their entire argument for recognition and acceptance and tolerance is premised on marginalization per se is an evil, that means that there is no margin in which you can leave the most perverse behavior. And there we are. Yep. Well, and this is always how it goes. I mentioned this on the show a very long time ago when i first started doing it when this conversation came up but

this is uh why i think henry the eighth and saint thomas moore are such an important case study because there was nothing saint thomas moore could really do to stop henry the eighth from discarding with his wife and then taking a new woman it was just the fact that he knew that sir thomas moore disapproved of what he was doing sexually that made him say i have to kill this man i have to kill this man is that the guy who was like will someone rid me of this priest was that the priest that no i don't believe so but that's a similar story yeah i mean there have been a lot i mean good priests end up being sort of sort of a thorn in the side of a lot of these corrupt rulers. So you think, Ron, just to understand maybe what you're saying, is that this move towards an openly sexual society or a repressively sexual society is like it's a trend.

It's never static so like this whole like the gay rights movement the liberation of gay marriage it was always inevitably tending towards complete open sexual transparency towards children and the other the only other option is to repress it it it's a very you're you you have asked the right question and you've identified the dilemma because as a First Amendment lawyer, I'll make it first clear that the First Amendment does not protect obscenity, but the United States Supreme Court has essentially defined obscenity out of existence and made it pretty much a consent issue, which has nothing to do with obscenity whatsoever. We live in a society now where the only criterion had been until just about 10 minutes ago had been consent. And we're now broaching that as well because there's never a limiting principle.

So talking about the sexualization of children and literally the sexualization and sexuality involving children, the mere fact that people have the audacity to speak in public discourse about sexualizing children, involving children with sex is a complete abnegation of the concept that children are deemed morally incapable of giving consent. Yeah. But we have to, we can't maintain that position because we're also taking the position, we,

pretty much you and me, not that children can give their consent to having their genitals mutilated and to taking drugs that will supposedly change their sex. There is no limiting principle. Yeah. There is no way. Once you say that, and this is meant to be a stick in the eye to God.

Agreed. It's not merely, by the way, if they had God. No. They are well aware of God. Like you said, there's a resonance in the universe that the soul picks up on. This is what Abraham was the first person to do. He says, this bowing down to rocks and trees, wrong. There's a creator. There's meaning in this universe. There's right and wrong. These people know it, and they feel it,

and they hate it. They resent it, and it is a matter of not, there used to be something called agnosticism. I don't know. I don't know. Most agnostics today call themselves atheists because it makes them feel that they have a position,

usually one that they can't actually intellectually defend because they have no familiarity whatsoever with classic religious thinking. Or any thinking. Usually. But that's what it's about. It really is a fight against God as is the entire transsexuality and transhuman movement. I could not agree

more. I think we're going to have a fantastic after show segment talking about all of this stuff. If you guys want to see that, that go over to timcast.com and become a member but for now we're gonna go to super chats i am not your buddy guy for five dollars says are corpse and the stock market required for capitalism to work if not is it worth keeping these concepts if companies like blackrock will always exist that's an interesting question what do you guys think about that i was taking a note so someone else answer because i want to hear that again i've thought about this a lot so i'll answer corporations are creatures of law they are an

artificial um creation and in the past uh milton friedman type libertarians made the mistake of assigning to them a sort of value free place in economic philosophical thinking. Corporations are just something that people choose to do together. Guess what? They're not. They're actually governments. Some of the most powerful corporations in the world effectively act much in the way that governments do, and many of them are more wealthy than many of the world's governments as traditionally conceived corporations are a creation of the law a very very creative and brilliant way to raise capital if i can avoid liability exactly if if the way for us

to finance this project is to separate the the the the investment from the liability, that's a deal we'll make. Okay. And we'll double tax you. There's all kinds of things to talk about. The answer is no. There is no reason that you have to have these things for capitalism to work. But if you want it to work, cool.

You want it to work, good. You want to have an iPhone? You want to have an internet? You it to work cool you want it to work good you want to have an iphone you want to have an internet you want to have incredible medical developments that are often wildly uneconomical but they're there and in theory they might become before all the things that american capitalism with all its dynamism and all its waste and all its stupidity and all its brilliance you do need the ability to have capital formation on the level of what corporations do today.

But there's no reason on earth that corporations cannot be regulated by the state, except for one, there is one reason. The state sucks. Ah! The state is the problem there. Very inefficient. So if the five of us could make the regulations, fine. Yeah.

Yeah. Fair enough. But the question- We'd fix it. We'd fix it. Oh, we'd fix it. We'd fix it before breakfast. there very inefficient so if the five of us could make the regulations fine yeah yeah fair enough but we'd fix it we'd fix it we'd fix it we fixed it before breakfast we've got uh thank you for the question by the way thank you for that that answer you're welcome i'm rather exhausted raymond g stanley jr for five dollars she said shamus you made it buddy you really made it shimcast is officially official also remember world war ii wasn't that cool yes i did a cartoon about this a while ago that he's he's quoting thank you so much for your super chat and for the support the question is when tim is ready to take back over

will seamus give up the seat is it going to be a soft coup yeah i i'm not sure i feel like tim should return maybe that's why i spilled the water i'm trying to prevent him from taking the helm once again smell um joseph no says dude oh this i've actually been trying to tell tim this okay dude tim liquid death made us made you sick advertises h2o infused with real demons homepage has a link to sell soul and email them the culture war fight is a fight against demons don't invite them in pray to god 100 100 that stuff's horrible i stay away from it it's i understand because this is what people will say oh they're just

worshiping satan ironically as a joke i don't care do you think satan values sincerity do you think he wants sincere worshipers he's fine with you worshiping him as a joke okay I don't care. Do you think Satan values sincerity? Do you think he wants sincere worshippers? He's fine with you worshipping him as a joke. Okay? Don't... I also... I've always wanted to ask Liquid Death. Their thing is to burn cans because it's death to plastic, but their cans have a plastic lining. Yeah. So I don't

totally understand. This is a sponsor? It's evil. I don't think it's sponsorship. No, they're not a sponsor, but Tim drinks them and that's why he's sick. Important thing to notice that is about this. Do you think the devil needs him to drink this in order to make him sick? I don't think so. No, I don't think he needs it.

That's not what Oshim is saying. I'm just saying that you need not to drink it because the devil's involved. That's what I think. I think the important thing to mention regarding the plastic is are not like in plastic bottles that are exposed to sunlight because that's when that plastic is then seeping into the water is when these these bottles of water are shipped they're outside and exposed to the sun and I believe that's when a lot of plastic in them right so when you recycle and what happens to the plastic this is a conversation for later I don't understand but this is a conversation for never this is a conversation for never we'll talk about maybe maybe tim was gonna blow the whistle on it and he lost his voice because he was drinking liquid

death i don't know i don't know um liquid death is gonna send you a cease and desist letter veldrin ola says wow how sick is tim that he let the cartoonist take the lead let freedom tunes rain well thank you i'm getting mixed messages here because he's perplexed that Tim would allow me to host the show. But then he's saying Freedom Tunes may reign. Speaking of which, we released a cartoon today.

All right. It's a pretty awesome cartoon. The fans are loving it. And we have a 30 minute long version of it behind the paywall. It's a web review. 10 minute long version on the channel. 30 minute version on the paywall.

FreedomTunes.com. I think you guys will like it. Do you know how some companies take over other companies and they refer to it as a hostile takeover i'm sort of picking up on that vibe no there's no there's a very friendly takeover you know it's very friendly with a smile mysterious that tim has been sick yeah tim's a very good friend of mine you know are you sometimes friends get friends sick so they can do their show um um but then you would have had a really good guest not a leftover guest that was meant for...

Yeah, that's true. Supposedly meant for Tim. No, I asked for you back. I wanted there to be legal help for me. He has to make it look smooth and have a good transition. We're happy to have you back, and this way he doesn't look like he's totally in control. Fair enough.

I don't know you guys said the debris field was found. Yeah, that's correct. I think I mentioned that on the show. About a third of a mile away from the Titanic wreckage. We were told it was found. Yeah, we were told it was found I mentioned that on the show. About a third of a mile away from the Titanic wreckage. We were told it was found. Yeah, we were told it was found. I'm loving the skepticism. Ian is on it.

But I do think they're going to pull it all up, right? So we should have photos, I assume. Maybe. Part of the skepticism, though, is black pilling, man. Like, I need something to believe in. I want to believe somebody. Yeah. I think both of these men have things to tell you about Ben.

Grofty says, Ian, you are the same year birth as me. I have the Challenger mission scarred in me. I remember. Maybe we can learn from the starship and this sub test. I think we are learning from these things, at least a little bit about how they'll tell you that they died peacefully. Do you think it's worth not going? Not going where?

Like on any exploration? I personally will never, unless I have to get there, I will never take that kind of risk. I can say, I have a fantasy about like swimming the Bimini Road in Southeast Asia because ancient history. Recreational risk taking on this scale is preposterous. I'm not that kind of guy. It is utterly morally unjustifiable to expose yourself, much less a family member, who I understand may not have been all that eager to go to this kind of literal mortal risk for thrills.

There's plenty of thrilling stuff to do on the surface or on a nice sightseeing boat. Or even you want to dive. I mean, but to this level, of course, people didn't really appreciate the level of risk. Although, you know, I don't know. Yeah. The sugar.

Common Sense Fishing says, did you guys forget they found the titanic by luck while on a top secret mission to find a nuclear sub with nukes on board it's near the titanic site i didn't even know that i didn't know that either oh i thought they were looking for that diamond that rose had i know is that i've never seen that movie i know it's good good for you wow there's two people on earth who did not see that movie. You guys, neither of you saw it? We don't really go in for a lot of movies. Good for you.

Good for you. I see. Was he saying, the Super Chat saying that the submersible, the submarine, the nuclear sub found the submersible? Because I thought, I know that they were doing voyages to look for the Titanic. So is this true that they ended up finding it doing something else? Yeah, let's look into that. Yeah, I believe what happened is it was a sub actually down there, like a U.S. sub, and then they eventually were paying off.

I'm like, whoa, this is definitely something. And then eventually they went and found it again later on and verified their finding. Oh, I want to clarify. The Bimini Road is not in Asia. I was thinking of a different megalith, underwater megalith off the southeast coast of Asia. I can't stop thinking about underwater megaliths, so I can't wait

for that. Yeah, I'll find the name of the road. Noah Prunier says, don't mind me, this super chat is just me making sure that the potato man can rub it in Tim's face, shimcast forever. Thank you. Thank you for the super chat. Appreciate it. If you guys want to send more super chats

in to make me look really cool. How long is Tim going to be sick for, Seamus? To make Tim that much richer. Exactly. But look, it'll make me look cool. How long is Tim going to be sick for? How long are we doing Shimcast? How much did you get from that?

Yeah, yeah. I'll talk with the lawyer after this show. And then we'll determine what you're allowed to say. I have Munchausen by proxy. Tim is my victim. I don't think it's that. I think it's that you're power hungry and you want that chair. Maybe it's both.

Maybe it's both. Very true. Okay. Amos Moses said, last night I said the second amendment applies to crackheads. That is not just my, not my opinion, but the opinion of U.S. District Judge Warrick.

The Bruin precedent requires historical context. The Founding Fathers did not prohibit alcoholics or drug addicts. Shamcast is best cast. Well, thank you. I'm glad you like Shamcast. Shamcast over here. I will say, I think there's a difference between... How dare you?

I think there's a difference between alcohol and crack, but I'm curious what you would say about that. Do crackheads have a constitutional right to own a gun? Well, let's back that up. Is there really a difference between alcohol and crack? I have found myself. I'm not asking you from experience. I'm asking legally.

Does a crackhead have a right to own a firearm? Is that constitutionally guaranteed? A person who is impaired right now, in other words, not someone who has once used crack. Would currently use your crack. Someone who's addicted. They keep crack in their house, not someone who once used crack. Would currently use your crack, they keep crack in their house. Someone who's addicted and they currently use. Are they constitutionally permitted to own a gun?

There are... I do not claim to be a Second Amendment expert. Fair enough. But that was... I'm not going to give you a bullshit answer. But give us your best guess as a First Amendment lawyer. Maybe a non-legal expert answer. I think we would... I think the Supreme Court has never said But give us your best guess as a First Amendment lawyer. Maybe a non-legal expert answer.

I think the Supreme Court has never said that the Second Amendment prohibits all regulation of firearms. Let's start there, right? What would be the first trench of reasonable regulation that every reasonable person would agree with? Shouldn't give children firearms. Well, actually, many young people do learn firearm safety in rural areas okay but you shouldn't give crazy people firearms is it a reasonableness test i don't really know but if there's any regulation whatsoever i mean we we have legislation that says felons in some places cannot have firearms. Crackheads.

Let's leave out the fact that by virtue of having crack in the house, you are a felon. If you're Hunter Biden, let's say it's not a problem. No. Two misdemeanors, sir. Tax. Yeah. Tax misdemeanors. That's how they got El Capone, though, right? That's how they got El Capone though right that's how they got el capon those two

misdemeanors oh my goodness i'm not so the the bruin opinion is an is an important opinion and we we do need to understand that what it what it is addressing has been a phenomenal amount of overreaching by the risk that it poses to others, I think that's probably a form of regulation that the Second Amendment would tolerate. Unless and until the Supreme Court says you can't regulate it whatsoever, which I don't think they're going to say, I would not want to die on the hill of crackheads can own guns. I am right there with you. Crooked Smile says,

Wonder when TikTok is going to do the Hunter Biden challenge. Oh boy. I already know it's not going to be good. Tax evasion and throwing away a firearm to say the least. Wonder if the challengers will get the same Biden treatment. Well, I think we all know the answer to that question. And he didn't even throw his gun away. Didn't his girlfriend throw the gun away? Is that what happened?

Yeah, that's what I read. I mean, you know, it's so unfair. I'd be so angry, you know? Imagine you give it. Who threw my gun away? Yeah, yeah. Who did this? Who did this?

Who threw my gun away? Well, it's because she felt he was a danger, from what I understand from one of the reports I read. This woman felt that whoever found the gun rummaging through the trash would be better suited to own it than hunter that's how bad it was okay uh grizzlock says it's not that 90 don't care it's that 75 don't even know what the heck is going on to begin with censorship mine he didn't say heck amen oh nice work yeah i i think there's truth in that i think there's truth in that i think it's more like 68 percent

and that there's a 12 you know i, I think that's right. It is astonishing how much, well we heard last night you know, in the third hour about how so many people have no idea what's going on. You know, especially the worst thing a person could do is rely on mainstream media it's worse than not than than than not even reading because that literally it makes you dumber yeah um the the moffinator says tired of true under that shopper pressure

daily life do you feel like you don't know, Jack? Do you got hairy legs? Talk to your bad calf care provider to say to see if Nexel Resin is right for you. I keep that up on purpose. I was just hoping you'd read it like that. Of course, of course. Come on. I'm not going to pass that up.

Come on, man. Can you do a Stewie, like jack does i mean yeah they're gonna write yourself a book all right lois um we have uh aaron smreaker i'm certainly not pronouncing that properly smreaker smreaker just say with confidence aaron smreaker uh seamus the regime's act of admitting their true intentions is a black magic practice they will tell you what is to come and it is up to you to stop them think the wef and agenda 2030 or event 201 i'm curious what the rest of you think of that how do you stop them i don't disagree that if if someone's corruptly trying to destroy distort i don't i don't disagree that if someone's corruptly trying to destroy, distort, I don't know.

One person's destruction is another person's creation. So like, how do you do it? How? I don't know. And what are you doing exactly? Like, how do you stop? Like, how do you, we don't want to stop reality. That means it is done for everything.

Yeah, I would hate that. We want to keep going, but how do we change it? I've absolutely lost track of what we're talking about oh corrupt governments how what how you how do you step in and change a corrupt government from within the country pinocchia's helicopter pinocchia's helicopter tours says search for the uss scorpion that led to discovering titanic okay all right so i guess it's been a second super chattereddar said it. So is that good then? Like we have the Navy out doing whatever it needs to be doing?

I suppose so. Are we glad we found the Titanic? Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. Or did it open a Pandora's box where now billionaires get in unstable submarines and go after it?

Billionaires are going to do what they want to a large extent. That's so true. Unless they're Donald Trump. So Jacob says, hey, shammers, how you doing? Firearm industry worker here. the federal form 4473 lists question 21g are you an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant

stimulant narcotic drug or any other controlled substance absolutely correct it does it absolutely does um no disputing that so what happened was on last night's show i said that i don't think crackheads should be able to own guns. People are actively, you know, smoking crack and people were asking or people were basically saying that the Second Amendment still protects that. My point is that I think it is reasonable to have restrictions. And what I said yesterday is when the founders wrote the Constitution, what they said is that you need a virtuous populace in order for something like this to ever really be pulled off effectively and one of the hallmarks of a virtuous populace is that they don't smoke crack no yeah you can't do that virtuously yeah what if you do it there's no crack in moderation there's no like virtuous amount that you can smoke but then you give to

charity you smoke crack but you're at a soup kitchen. No, no, no. Hold on a second. Then, yes, giving to charity or giving to the soup kitchen would be a good thing to do, but the act of smoking crack does not become virtuous. So judgmental of you. I know. Never let us have any fun. I'm a really, really mean guy. Jacob Jones says, Ian, it was Henry II speaking of Thomas Beckett.

That's right. 12th century with Won't Somebody Rid Me of This Priest, which he said while drunkenly raving. Oh, wow. Geez. Don't drunk man's words, sober man's thoughts, let me tell you. Yeah, let's never go back to a monarchy. Well, we got one.

But just not a cool one. Would it be better to have a monarchy that we know is a monarchy? Yeah, exactly. Because democracy eliminates class consciousness. It does. Sorry, I totally cut you off. But at Shim Pass, you can do what you want. That's right.

Better to have a monarchy that we know as opposed to a corrupt, a visage of a democracy or a republic that's actually run by one guy in a boardroom somewhere. Or even if it's not one guy in a boardroom, but it's 15 guys in Davos boardroom, but it's, you know, 15 guys, you know, in Davos, Switzerland, or whatever the hell, you know, however you want to imagine,

you know, the New World Order. If you know, you know, monarchies have fallen and houses of monarchies have fallen and been replaced. I mean, Henry II was not a grandpa of Henry VIII. You know, there were... Monarchies lose, you know, can... There can be transitions.

One of our problems, in fact, this light bulb is going over on my head right now. I don't know if your cameras are sensitive enough to pick it up, but... is that we are all so busy intoning our commitment to democracy that we are reinforcing the illusion of that democracy exists. And we need to come to terms with the fact that, you know, this elitist, this multi-track system of reward and punishment exists. And, you know, the democracy perhaps would be a good

replacement for it. Yeah, also I'll say this for anyone who's interested in the arguments in favor of monarchy because especially in the public school system in the US, they'll explain to you the benefits of every system, communism socialism, all of these horrible destructive ideologies and then you never hear the

other side of the question with the democracy versus monarchy debate. So Hans Hermann Hoppe has written a brilliant book on this called democracy the god that failed which i would just encourage everybody to check out it's a really good read very brilliant so uh we're coming up uh on wrap-up time it's been really awesome having you with us here ron i want to thank you for coming on to the show and also give you an opportunity to plug whatever it is you want to plug my friend you know i'm ron coleman you can find me just when if you just google ron coleman lawyer you've got to use the word lawyer you're going to get the bodybuilder you'll look for a while then you'll figure out it's not the same person as me who can bench more

well i bench oh it's just a yiddish joke it's not even worth it who can bench more ron big ron coleman actually can barely move his arms right now, I think. He's not a healthy man. Yeah. But be that as it may, I'm primarily on Twitter, at Ron Coleman, spell it with an E, C-O-L-E-M-A-N. And when you go there, you'll find all the stuff. Of course, not everyone follows me who ought to follow me on Twitter, but they eventually come around. And that's all you really need to know.

I have a podcast. It's called culmination the joke is culmination finishing finalization not culmination but i'm stuck everyone says culmination which would be really lame those are your fans right the culmination my fan i'm hannah clare brimlow i'm a writer for timcast.com i'm so glad i got to be here for the inauguration thank you the inaugural writing tonight's episode I mean yeah yeah it was a really good

script you know cross very natural it was like a fever dream right I'm so glad you guys all got the script also the characterization was phenomenal I know your character especially you guys you guys are good

actors sometimes that was cool the thing is I didn't get the script but I'm so predictable that she was able to write around me. She knew what I was going to say. I'm glad that you're all public figures and I could just read through your Twitters.

So again, I'm Hannah Glowbrimble. I'm a writer for TimCast.com. You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram. It's great. It has all the work from me, Chris Burtman, Chris Carr, Cassandra McDonald. It's got lots of great stuff. I'm supposed to tell you to keep an eye

on the Trash House Records YouTube channel. That's from Carter of great stuff. I'm supposed to tell you to keep an eye on the Trash House Records YouTube channel. That's from Carter Banks, our excellent music guy. He's got a lot of things coming up and he thanks you all for your patience. If you want to follow me personally, you can follow me on Instagram at hannaclair.b and on Twitter at hcbrimlow. Again, thank you guys so

much and I'll see you in the future I guess. I'm Ian Crossland. Have a great night guys. You can follow me at iancrossland.net or at iancrossland anywhere on social media and I will be happy to chat from time to time when I see you and I'll see you on the after show which will be very soon here my name is serge.com uh it's been fun it's been uh an interesting uh interesting ride that's for sure sure feels like uh sure feels like we will have an interesting after show as well again i say it again it will be interesting uh it'll be on uh timcast.com for those members who have been members of the for six months and anyone over 25 membership i think you are all able to call in even uh join us there again search.com on twitter let's argue i appreciate

it uh despite the uncanny resemblance i I am not Tim Pool. My name is Seamus Coghlan. I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. Today we released a cartoon. It was me fixing left-wing memes for Pride Month. I had my fans send me a bunch of memes sent to them by left-wing activists or that they saw out in the wild. And I subjected myself to the torture of fixing those memes for you guys and actually turning these left-wing memes funny the video is about 10 minutes long and then we have a 30 minute long version behind the paywall over at freedom tunes.com if you guys sign up you will be supporting what i'm doing you will also be supporting my team of non-woke artists who are really talented and work really hard to get these videos done now we're going to be heading over to the after show

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