Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #816 DeSantis Donors Fear Campaign FAILING, Will Meet To Discuss Viability w/Jaimee Michell

Episode Date: July 13, 2023

Tim, Ian, Seamus, & Serge join Jamiee Michell to discuss DeSantis donors worried about the success of the campaign, Ron DeSantis rejecting the idea of being Trump's VP, the DOJ finally charging Ray Epps for his role in Jan. 6, and Sound Of Freedom taking the top spot at the box office. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ron DeSantis donors are set to meet with him to discuss the viability of his campaign. As reported, this is a reporting coming out of Fox Business. They're concerned that his polls are lagging and they want to see some improvement. And we're also hearing rumors that we have also somewhat corroborated. But keep in mind, these are rumors that a super PAC working for DeSantis is seeing people abandon the campaign. So we're going to talk about that and where DeSantis currently is in the polls. This is the big story that's been been breaking all day, whether or not he's going, his campaign is going to be viable. I mean, it's still really, really early to say, but I think it's interesting considering what's going

on politically. And then we're going to talk about, this one's fascinating. Ray Epps is suing Fox News. Okay. That one's interesting. I think discovery on that one will be very fascinating. And then, of course, FBI Director Wray is getting grilled by members of Congress. And Matt Gaetz called him out for protecting the Biden family. This one should get pretty interesting. Before we get started, my friends, head over to cast brew dot com to buy cast brew coffee to help fight those commies. Well, actually, just support us in the work that we do, but kind of right. Casper Coffee is our coffee company. Some of the best coffee coffee if not the best coffee you will ever had ever ever have you can buy the rise with roberto jr breakfast blend appalachian nights or join the coffee club and

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Michelle. Hi, great to be here. Thanks for having me back. I was here December, but it's been a while. It's good to be on the show with you guys. Who are you and what do you do? I am the founder, president, CEO of the nonprofit Gays Against Groomers. We fight groomers from inside the community. We are fighting the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of youth that is being perpetrated under the guise of LGBTQIA+++++.

And yeah, things are heating up in this war, but I think we're going to win at the end, and I'm just excited to talk about it all. Right on. Well, thanks for joining us. We got the whole Shimcast here. My name is Seamus Coghlan. I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. We make animated cartoons.

We're going to be releasing one tomorrow about the sound of freedom and the controversy surrounding that with certain activists and critics in Hollywood who aren't happy with with the film so i want to encourage you all to check that video out it's going to be a little bit spicy uh and if you want to support what i'm doing go to freedom tunes.com and become a member and also uh sound of freedom is number one sound of freedom is another story as it should be sound of creation number one they deserve it i went out ian crossland uh what's up i went out that took the last night off because I went to see Sound of Freedom.

It was awesome. What's up, Brandon? I saw you at the theater. Good to see we didn't talk afterwards. Wow, what a powerful movie. I haven't seen it yet, but I'm really excited. Me and my fiance were supposed to see it last weekend, but things got really busy. But I've obviously only heard amazing things.

Yeah, I cried a couple times. I'm sure it's going to absolutely destroy me. I'm a little nervous for that, but it has to be seen. In a good times. I'm sure it's going to absolutely destroy me. I'm a little nervous for that, but it has to be seen. In a good way. It's like a reach, it breaks you down and then builds you back up kind of as a new person.

It's so powerful. It got me to look outside myself. It's sad though because it's a true story and like there's a million other stories just like that, you know, happening right now.

Well, you know, all of this stuff, yeah, exactly. You're exactly right. This is going on in the world today. Human trafficking is a massive problem.

As the film points out, the United States of America is one of the largest consumers on the planet of basically slaves of this sort yeah i'm not sure how explicit yeah yeah exactly why is hollywood so upset about this film we're gonna do it yeah we also got this man over to the right yeah i'm excited to see it too i'll be watching it uh tomorrow alone seamus like i said which is fine so we always want to see it yeah i never see movies at all so i'm excited to be in the theater I'll be watching it tomorrow alone, Seamus, like I said, which is fine. So he always sees movies. Yeah, I never see movies at all. So I'm excited to be in the theater.

Let's do this when you're ready, Tim. But I do have an announcement to make. And I know a lot of you are going to be saddened to hear this, but it's all we could do. This weekend, I will be flying out of state because I have to get hip surgery. I am a 37-year year old lifelong skateboarder i've been skating for like 23 or so years so i have a repetitive sports industry presumably in the cartilage in my hip injury what did i say industry you did that earlier today i did it's so weird uh injury and we i don't know we don't know exactly what it is it may be a tear but the

idea is take care of it now so it doesn't get worse and you don't got to get hair replacement, which means I'm going to be gone for a week. But I know it's going to, I can't believe I have to do this to you guys. You're going to get really mad. You're going to get really mad. People are going to be sending hate mail. Seamus is going to be hosting the show. That's right. It's going to be the best week of Timcast, or should I say Shimcast, that you've ever

seen. Thank you, Seamus. We wish Tim well. We wish Tim well. We wish Tim well. By the way, you're welcome for agreeing to take over your podcast for a whole week and keep it going and ensure that things stay on the rails. He insults me. You accuse me of stealing your spoons.

You insult me in front of your audience after I agree to help you with your show. Like, what am I doing here? Did you return the spoons? I didn't. I don't agree with your framing i i don't agree with your framing i don't agree with your framing i don't appreciate it okay but but i'll say is it it it does suck you know because i i'm like talking with the doctor and the general issue is do this sporadic like do this randomly over the next several months where it's like i'll randomly take days off and

it'll be very disruptive and hard to plan or just do one solid week where we get it all taken care of and then come back and it's done and I'm gonna deal with that ever again. So it's soft tissue damage. It's not gonna heal on its own and fortunately there are advanced procedures for taking care of it so it just means that I'll have to be like in the hospital for a week.

Who's gonna look after the chickens? I have to do everything. I'm literally the replacement to him while he's gone. I'm gonna be wearing a beanie i'm gonna draw everything yeah yeah just james all right let's talk about the news what else here's the story from cnbc desantis donors privately worry about campaign as florida governor lags in 2024 polls they say some of ron desantis's fundraisers have recently heard concerns up from donors about the trajectory of his campaign the governor continues to lag Trump in GOP primary polls. Ken Griffin, the billionaire CEO of Citadel

and previous DeSantis mega-donor, continues to assess the field. A growing group of donors who have supported DeSantis' run are worried about the trajectory of his campaign even after he raked in $20 million. Despite those big fundraising numbers and his entry into the race on a wave of hype, DeSantis is lagging well behind frontrunner Donald Trump.

So they go on to basically make a lot of the same points. Nothing's changed in Griffin's stance toward the election. We have this from the Post Millennial. They say, DeSantis to meet with major donors to face questions about campaign viability. This is coming from Charles Gasparino of Fox Business. Ron DeSantis planning to meet major East Coast donors next week at a private gathering in Southampton. He faces questions about viability of his campaign as he's stalled in the polls.

I hear he's planning to tell donors that he will play the long game. And to just bring in the context in terms of data, the prediction markets now have Ron DeSantis dropping down to 19 cents to Donald Trump's 62 cents. And this is big because DeSantis actually surpassed Trump at

one point, but now continues to fall. And the latest poll from Morning Consult shows nationally DeSantis is actually doing worse than Trump, though both Trump and DeSantis do lose to Joe Biden. I'm not sure I believe that both of them will lose to Joe Biden. But if we're talking about comparing Trump and DeSantis in the same metric to biden then it looks like trump is still ahead of ron desantis and desantis has been uh dropping in the polls so i don't know what you guys think it is it is still really really early really early really early really really early it's like six weeks into the campaign right i mean he launched like what six not even really it feels like it's been going on for a long time yeah i mean look look that's what i'm saying it's like

a week in politics is like a freaking year you know that's also true but i think especially like a week with respect to his campaign things have gone so south in so many ways there's a lot about desantis and i've said this before there's a lot about him i like i think and there's even people on his campaign who i know and like but i think some of the people making decisions there could have been more wisely chosen yeah i mean i i don't know anything about the people there no i'm just saying with respect to how his campaign is acted no yeah i'm saying i think there's been a lot of blunders yeah i understand that and i i you know whatever whoever has a team around them like whatever candidate has a team i don't think that that's reflective of the way that the actual candidate could lead i'm still like super pro desantis i think it is incredibly

early i'm pro desantis for many reasons i choose him over trump for many many reasons we can get into that if you guys are interested but uh i think it's incredibly early and yeah i don't think things have really even gotten started i mean we're we have the debates in august we have this new town hall coming up with tucker um and think he's going to get the message out there. What's seven weeks? I just want to make sure. Seven weeks. He launched seven weeks ago.

What's the town hall with Tucker? I think it was just announced that Tucker is hosting like a town. I don't know if it's, I don't think it's a debate. It's a town hall with like all of the Republican candidates, except for Donald Trump. I don't know. He's not going. Trump's pulling a Biden.

Did he? Well, did he say trump is running from the basement i mean it's you know yeah so um i think again i think that there have been a number of like strategic blunders from the the desantis campaign you are correct that it's very early very these i mean it's like eight months away yeah exactly we we have quite a lot of time um i i do think that the desantis campaign is probably going to have to rethink some of what they're doing and we'll see how this meeting with the donors go.

But yeah, it's going to be a little while before we can definitively say this person is more or less likely to get the nomination. I've got a projection. I think that Ron is not going to be able to match Vivek's energy. And by the time three, four months from now, those numbers will be flipped.

I don't know if this is actually going to happen. Those numbers will be flipped. Yeah, I know. Vivek is at 10 cents in the prediction markets. That's up from nine from like five seconds, one minute ago. From about 10 minutes ago, it was at nine. It's jumped up again.

And within the past, Vivek has only been a viable contract on Predict It for about a week and a half. Let's just say two weeks, to be fair. And now he's up to 10 cents from three. I think the thing about Vivek is that he doesn't have anything behind him in terms of notability. And I'm not saying that career-wise. Obviously, he's worth half a billion dollars. We're in this big pharmaceutical company.

What I mean is Ron DeSantis has been in the limelight for years and has a proven track record out of Florida. Vivek has the words he can say. People like what he's saying and he is masterfully tactful in terms of PR I think that's going to help Vivek I gotta be honest though as much as I like Vivek and think he's the smartest guy in the room

in terms of capability I will say this I put Vivek over Trump and DeSantis in terms of electability it's Trump DeSantis Vivek like Vivek is great but even and DeSantis. In terms of electability, it's Trump, DeSantis, Vivek. Like Vivek is great, but even Ron DeSantis, I think, is more viable of a candidate than he is. It's true.

I think you're right. And a lot of times when I play video games and I'm like, I get to select who the leader is going to be among all of my generals. I'll take the one with the best stats, not necessarily the most famous one, but in reality, it's a popularity contest.

So the famous person gets into the power. But when you put the best person in control, if there are nobody you get the best results i gotta be completely honest i have not heard a single thing from his campaign like i i haven't seen any tweets i i mean i don't even i may follow him i'm not sure yeah i i've heard and seen nothing you're in a bubble no i'm not in a bubble i'm'm very involved. I have my eye on everything. I'm not tapped into different news sites like you are, but I'm part of the conversation and the dialogue. I follow a lot of people, diverse people.

But I think you make a good point, too. Yeah, exactly. The vague has not broken out into this space. So I don't literally mean you're in a bubble. The vague is not there yet. I've seen, exactly, and I agree with you. I've seen a lot of clips of him floating around. I've seen different public statements he's made.

I haven't noticed anything specifically from his campaign. I saw him give the speech in Miami when Trump was getting indicted. You know, he went down and he was speaking at a podium. And that's the last I saw of him. So I think he's sucking up to Trump a little. No, Vivek. Are you kidding? Yeah.

He's a hardcore Trumper. Yeah, I've interviewed him multiple times. I mean, I'm saying perception-wise, from the outside, that's, I mean, he literally went down to Miami and gave a huge speech, like, you know,

in support of Trump. Yeah, because of the false indictments? Yeah. I think that's a little bit different from being a Trumper, though. I agree. I agree, but I think, you know, he continuously praises Trump.

I mean, because he understands that you can't lose that base right or he's scared of it he's scared to lose the cult base i think that's on the magadonians i think that's unwarranted vivek is is in in my view the most honest guy running yeah i think so too vivek outright said he thinks there should be civic requirements for voting and he and he's sitting here in this room and he's like man maybe they're gonna get mad at me if i say this but i'm gonna say it because we need to like there's got to be some restriction some requirement for civic duty if you're gonna brilliant idea i actually do who's got the balls to actually say then so what he does did then was he came out and said okay i've refined my ideas i think young people should

pass a civics test if they want to vote and it's just like wow like that's a bold thing to say who writes the test i think you might ask them that question yeah right for sure it came to an impasse like wow that's why i think signing up for the selective service was like the smart compromise men and women have the option to do it if you don't sign up you don't vote if you do sign up you can vote but that makes you eligible for the draft the draft almost never happens or it's not likely to happen so it's like it's a it's a it's a clever workaround and uh but but that is just one issue where if you actually watch him give talks and speeches and stuff he won't run away from questions he'll actually watches him i don't see him anywhere well just i mean that's why he's in third place right no and but i mean

i'm not i'm saying like that he he has some good ideas i'm not knocking that at all i'm just saying i mean that to think that he's a serious candidate right now in this race is silly. And like, I mean, but you know, it is incredible. He's in third place. Yeah, but come on now. Vivek Ramaswamy on YouTube. He's polling third place as well. Vivek-2024.

And like I said, you know, it is super early. We have no idea what the campaign is going to look like in a month, or the primary is going to look like in a month or the the primary is going to look like in a month two months i think ted cruz when like the first battle battleground state in the 2016 primaries or whatever like ted cruz won some state or something and then everyone was like oh it's you know and trump ended up turning things around i think that with vivek that the global economic order is very concerned about him getting into power because he's straight up like we're not investing in black rock anymore we're taking our money and we're investing in american indexes we're gonna get away from esg we're gonna take control of our financial system and that's like the main force of control of the global technocrats

is the financial system they want central bank digital currencies and they want to be able to turn your bank account off if you don't if you want to buy things they don't want you to buy if you say something they don't want you to say um they did it with the canadian truckers and i think vivek is he's so smart and he's he knows when to talk and when not to talk that being said i think that's a big part of the reason why the media hasn't propped him up at all they haven't propped up really any of the the republican candidates i think they're propping trump up you think so i think well i think liberal media i think that the i mean this is a little conspiratorial but it's my theory i think that they are prosecuting him right now to bump his numbers up because they want him to be the nominee the democrats desperately want trump to be the nominee and they say it they

say it all the time there were just some clips that uh went out on i think it was msnbc where they're saying you know they they want trump to be the nominee they're salivating over it um i think in 2016 that on the view she was like we don't want to say this we can beat trump right of course they can yeah that was also true in 2016 the clinton campaign engaged in the pied piper strategy they wanted trump to be the nominee but then look how that worked out for right i yeah i agree but they're much more scared of desantis at this point i don't think so with that georgia democrat who just uh defected and joined the gop good for her yeah i i don't at this point i don't think so with that georgia democrat who just uh defected and joined the gop good for her yeah i i don't i don't i don't believe them when they're like or or i don't believe they're correct when they're like we should have donald trump because

we can beat we we can beat him but we can't be desantis i mean yeah okay we like look it's 50 50 right now trump lost 2020 he won 2016 i'm not convinced the pied piper strategy is their path and all of his endorsed candidates not all but most of them the big ones lost in the midterms i mean we're on a loot huh who in the midterms most of trump's candidates yeah which candidates i mean herschel oz lake um i you know off the top of my head what was what was the actual number like thing was a travesty i mean yeah but i'm just saying like we're on a serious losing streak with this trump guy what do you think about robert fk leading things rfk jr what do you think um i think he's you know i think it's interesting i love that he's giving 82 success rate 82 of trump's endorsed candidates won okay and we still had we we lost everything at the end of the day we lost the

major seats that were the most important to to gain you know but but i think that was a failure of messaging on the part of the republican party i'm just directly addressing what you said about trump's endorsements the 82 percent that's fine but at the same time the major ones that he put the most effort into that he campaigned with that he pushed the hardest you know the big national names the national recognition he screwed up with that was a big i have no idea why he would make that pick. It's crazy. It should have been Kathy Barnett. I mean, she was absolutely incredible. And I mean, this is the thing.

Trump continues to, you know, he says he's going to drain the swamp. But then he, I mean, Lindsey Graham. Let's hear how you feel about this. Lindsey Graham on stage with him in South Carolina. You know, he got booed a million times. But how is Trump going to drain the swamp when he's best friends with the swamp he hired the swamp he's going to continue to do that like i guess we vote rfk then huh yeah i'm going to i will i'll register i want to hear an answer to that though like i want to hear an answer to that how is trump going to drain the swamp when he is best

friends with the swamp how like if desantis got on a stage with lindsey graham and and lindsey graham opened for desantis what would happen what would lindsey graham and and lindsey graham open for desantis what would happen what would the trump people online i don't i don't think you should go down this route because desantis is funded by griffin i'm see now you're changing the subject though i'm literally saying if you're gonna if you're gonna ask questions about trump being started by bad people which i agree with the same is true for desantis and my point being vivek ramaswamy must be our guy okay no but i'm i'm trying to say like what is it how how do people think that trump is the anti-establishment candidate when he literally is campaigning with lindsey graham like a week ago we could i don't

even remember what it was i think what the hell is that yeah trump is never wrong i know i know no well no that's not it trump has made a lot of mistakes and i'll acknowledge them but what i would say is that as far as the the candidates right now, Trump has the largest incentive to be the most anti-establishment candidate possible because of what the deep state and three letter agencies did to him. They did it while he was president, too, though. Yeah. No, that's my point. Yes. That is when they did what they did. And now he's pretty substantially angry about what they did. Of course, they did it while he was president.

Right. But he was also concerned about reelection. He also had weights around his ankles because of what the deep state was doing to him. So, yes, that did limit his ability to act. Trump's first term was Trump doing a bunch of stupid things. That's not what I said. No, but you're strawmanning me because I specifically said he's made mistakes. But I'm saying there's reason to believe that he would be interested in fighting the deep state considering what they've done to his family. But then why is he campaigning with Lindsey Graham?

What the hell is that? Like, how can you can't have it both ways yeah that's really bad he shouldn't do that i'm not yeah yeah exactly well i'll say that i and i've said this before i think people he's chosen to surround himself with have not been great picks but i'm saying in terms of like the drive and the interest in in draining the swamp and going after these agencies i think trump has the strongest incentive um i'm not saying there's no credibility to that criticism by the way i think trump has uh historically made a lot of mistakes with the with respect to the people he surrounded himself with i wouldn't disagree on that but i think he has more of a drive to destroy the deep state and i i do think he has what it takes but we'll see i don't know if that's necessarily true that being

wronged is the makes straight up the best incentive like anger is the best because i think ron desantis the incentive to make a better country is is could be equally as strong as the incentive of like they hurt me i want to hurt them back he cares about but it's all it's all of it right because because they're both good motivations now part of the advantage of another trump well presidency is that he would only yeah he would not have to worry about re-election which is also a massive massive asset wait say that again right wait he would not have to worry about re-election which is a massive asset yeah if he was president that's super detrimental to us as a party though no that's it but but he would

go after what he would go after all the people he needed to go after to have somebody in the white house that could fulfill eight years like so we're not doing this again and risking the white house again in another four years you have to risk the white survey for us it's an election trump can't run again though like the incumbent yeah but then a Republican run in for you it would be his vp would probably run right now or i mean i would why run and don not run as president vice president man yeah, man. Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Let's actually.

Well, it was completely unprovoked. Let's pull this up. We got this from NBC News. Look at that. Ron DeSantis says he wouldn't be Trump's running mate. I'm not a number two guy. You can be, though. And then you'd be the number one guy. And then it was Trump's campaign said he's not anybody's guy.

I think that was Stephen Chung who said that. That's so pointless yeah i mean that look the the the argument is donald trump did like a c plus job in a lot of areas in his first term he didn't drain the swamp he fired some people he hired some really bad people but foreign policy wise i think trump did a very very good job especially with abraham accords uh with trying to get our troops out of syria crushing isis those things are really great and then the argument now is if we're looking at these two guys, Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump, there's one thing that I care about the most. I think foreign policy-wise, it's hard to know for sure.

Ron DeSantis has some experience in foreign policy. Donald Trump has good foreign policy, not perfect foreign policy, but better than Obama, better than Biden, better than whatever the Democrats have to offer. The question I have is, who is more likely to fire people? Donald Trump, even if it's only by one percent, because he wants revenge. And the shift, which has become obvious to me, is that when asked about the greatest threat the country faces, Trump said it's not China, which is a marked shift from where he was in his first and second campaigns. He said it's within this country, referring to bureaucrats working for government who can't be fired. So one of the things Trump did near the end of his term,

which he which was reversed by the Democrats, by Joe Biden, was the schedule F attempt. You can't just fire federal employees. They're protected. It's very difficult. So Trump was trying to strip away at those protections to try and start getting some of these people fired. I think Ron DeSantis, because for a few reasons, it'll be his first term if he does get elected and he is being backed by some prominent establishment figures, is more likely to say, let's negotiate and figure out how we don't go to war with each other. I won't go around firing and destroying everything, but you guys let me get some of these policies through.

Donald Trump is more likely to go in and say, I will fire everyone. I will nuke all of these bureaucrats and agencies. I would rather Donald Trump go in and fire and clean house, and then four years from now, be it DeSantis or whoever else, Ramaswamy, or maybe some other libertarian, I have no idea idea someone can then come in without these bureaucratic permanent government individuals who have been in government for 30 years without without being elected those people have to be fired the problem i ask a question why didn't you do it the first time trump was trying to negotiate it was a it was it sounds like an excuse what does that mean give me an argument i'm just saying like you know there's always a

reason why there's an excuse for why trump wasn't able to do something in his first term. It's literally the explanation of what Trump was doing. Trump talked to Sheldon Adelstein. He gets these big donors and they're like, listen, we're going to let you do your thing, but you got to play a ball with us. And Trump says, you got it, boss. And then what ends up happening? John Bolton garbage. That's what Ron DeSantis is doing right now with Ken Griffin. So my argument is Donald Trump made a big mistake with these morons that Ron DeSantis is doing right now.

Trump is pissed off. They screwed him over and stabbed him in the back and is more likely, even if it is only 2%, to go in and try to fire these people and just gut them from the system. Whereas I see DeSantis once again

meeting with big neocon donors and playing the game that that trump was playing first time around trump trump was funded by big pharma i mean they donated to his campaign you know so it's like i don't know you're making my argument that's that's my point right so i don't know who these establishment people are that okay he's who else every you know everybody says that that uh that um sorry desantis is endorsed by you know paul ryan and he's jeb bush 2.0 and all this stuff and i see absolutely zero evidence when really the jeb bush thing is dumb i mean the whole thing is absolutely stupid trump endorsed paul ryan trump endorsed john mccain i mean yes i i don't understand how they can use that was tax

against eight years ago okay I think that was bad. And I did not vote for Trump in 2016. Good. I mean, I did. And that's the thing. I want to stress for people that don't know who I am or don't know my position.

I am a two-time Trump voter. I voted for him in 2016. I voted for him in 2020, even though I was off the Trump train in the COVID years because he subsidized the presidency to Fauci. You do sound like a two-timer Trump voter. I was.

You just said something I fully agree with. I was. I was hardcore, too. I ran a whole town. No, I was making a two-timer. I'm saying you betrayed it. I was making a bad pun. No, no, I got you.

If Trump were to go in and fire all these people. It's okay to change your support. You don't have to stay. I'm giving you a hard time. I understand. Who would he replace them with is my concern because he did not make good personnel choices. Say it again.

Sorry, I missed it. If he went in and were to fire a bunch of people understand who would he replace them with is my concern because he did not make a good personal choice no one if he went in and were to fire a bunch of people who would he replace them with trump yeah i don't i don't have faith in him i think that he failed in his first term by giving the country away to the medical industry in the in the last year jared kushner and that's another conversation completely his family what are you doing giving your family power bro i mean i voted for trump not jared Kushner, not Fauci. And that's who I got. I don't want nepotism in the White House. It's disgusting. I want talented, well-situated people that can do their job really, really well that may not even know each other. That's what I want. And I got a man that went on a vaccine tour for the last year and a half in office, pushing an experimental clot shot. Sorry, I don't know if I can say that on

YouTube. Well, it was experimental. It is is experimental and to this day one of my the biggest reasons why i no longer support this man is because to this day he goes and praises the damn vaccine and operation warp warp speed takes credit for all of it says it's the greatest thing that ever happened to mankind i mean one of them you know he's he said he saved 500 million people with it or sorry maybe it's 100 million i don't want to get whatever i'm just saying a gigantic amount of amount of people which is not true and he has yet to take responsibility for any of the adverse reactions he doesn't even acknowledge them and i think that's absolutely disgusting and i i cannot support him and i understand that the argument is ron desantis pushed it early on too right ron desantis at least can understand that that was wrong and has moved past it

and is now fighting against it. You know? So I just like, Trump has such a big ego that he cannot take responsibility for anything he ever did wrong. He just continues to double down and it's disgusting.

The issue I take with this, the first thing is I'll say is our obligatory, just talk to a doctor about what is right for you and make sure you find a good and trustworthy doctor because they do exist i know i'm literally going to one next week because i got to get surgery or whatever but here here's where i'm at politically especially when it comes

to like rfk i don't agree with him on a lot of the stuff he said especially the eua stuff on ivermectin and vaccines i just there's a lot of people who adamantly believe things because they choose to believe them and they think they're right about everything. Whereas my positions are typically like unless I see something to a great degree that like provides confirmation, there's not much I can really say about it. So, you know, we've had several debates on this show. I've debated several leftist individuals and they'll ask me a direct question about something political. I don't know. Literally, I have no. Why don't you have a debates on this show. I've debated several leftist individuals, and they'll ask me a direct question about something political. I'll be like, don't know. Literally, I have no. Why don't you have a position on this?

When it comes to the Vax stuff, I don't know. That's why I always I'm just like, I don't know. Talk to a doctor. What I can say is Donald Trump refuses to back down from this as one of his major campaign victories. What we do know is that there was a judge. I think it was in New York who ruled that the vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus and then later on you end up with a bunch of news outlets claiming that was fake news this was a judge recently what is it uh the judge who gagged the biden campaign on censorship is i believe the same judge who said that the

vaccine was not preventing transmission like so the vaccine was not preventing transmission. Like, so the vaccine was like, yeah, the conspiracy theory is such crazy. But the media, the media then said the inverse. So my point is basically like, I see these conflicting and contradictory stories. And then I wonder why it is that people choose to take a stance on something that it's very difficult to understand, instead of just saying, like, you know what, honestly, I don't know. I don't know how you can draw a conclusion on this one. I'll give you an example. RFK talking about ivermectin. I really, for the life of me, even after sitting with Joe Rogan, have never been able to figure out how anyone justifies their stance on ivermectin. What did he say about ivermectin? RFK said that the reason ivermectin was never approved was because it would end the emergency use authorization for the vaccines,

which is just logically inconsistent. They granted the EUA to monoclonal antibodies. If it were true that there were alternative treatments like ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, they literally could have just given it an EUA. People then make a money argument. I think Alex Stein was arguing this, that because ivermectin is so cheap, they didn't want to give it an EUA. And I say, make that argument. I'm not making that argument. I'm literally saying for RFK Jr. to come out and be like, that's the reason they didn't approve it is because they wanted to sell vaccines and they needed the EUA.

I'm like, that doesn't make sense. I hear this kind of stuff all the time and no one ever gives me a legitimate answer. So we talk about the studies pertaining to ivermectin. We talk about the studies. Here's what I want to say about the vaccine, for instance. My problem with the vaccine is nothing to do with whether or not anyone thinks it's good or bad i don't know i can only tell you make sure you trust your doctor and there's a good one and there are some good ones out there they're not super expensive you just got to go to the right places

go to cities and you'll find good doctors but the issue here is government mandates of medication i'm not going to see you make medical arguments i no idea. Trump wants to tout this as a major success. Trump also says the mandates were bad. Ron DeSantis also says the mandates were bad. What am I supposed to argue? How am I supposed to have a conversation with someone when they make a definitive scientific statement on something that I can read all the studies? And I'm just like, well, I have no, I literally have no idea. I'm not a doctor. Well, I can mention just the news, for instance, reported there's more data coming out about people suffering from myocarditis, which is now confirmed for many of these vaccines. There are concerns around. I think one was pulled.

I think Johnson and Johnson may have been pulled. But ultimately, like I am not making a again, YouTube, I'm not going to make any widespread claims about all the vaccines. My point is there is data coming out. But even with this, there is still the simple statistical argument that if you give, if you mandate 400 million doses of a vaccine, don't be surprised if you get a thousand news stories about adverse events. That does not mean there is a higher density of adverse events. It does, however, suggest to the libertarian point, the government should not be mandating

medications to people, which is where I'm at. Blaming Donald Trump for what Democrat governors did does nothing to convince me of why I should vote for Ron DeSantis. I'm not. That's not what I did at all. I'm saying that he has never backed down. He continues to praise Operation Warp Speed and rushing the vaccine just a few days ago or like, sorry, I am so bad with time. I don't know if it was a week ago, two weeks ago, yesterday.

It's just the present epoch. It's so weird. Things move so quickly and so strangely. You never know. No, I got it. I got it. Wait, wait, wait. Let me just say one thing.

Let me just say one thing. You know, he was just, again, saying how great it was that he was saying it usually takes the FDA between five and 12 years or nine and 12 years to get this out. But he got it out in nine months. That's what it was. In nine months. Isn't that, I mean, that's not But he got it out in nine months. That's what it was. In nine months. Isn't that, I mean, that's not something to brag about. My point is.

That's kind of bad. My point is. This stuff should be tested longer. This isn't, I'll tell you exactly what my thoughts are on this. I don't think you actually care. What do you mean? It makes no sense for you to say these things to me because you never like. I don't care?

Yeah, I don't think you care at all. Really? Okay, because I think that my mom passed away because of it. but but okay and that and that i'm sorry to hear about your mom i'm not trying to bring that into it but like to say that i don't care about what the vaccine what the vaccine is doing to people i know people that were injured after taking this vaccine what do you mean i don't care this isn't just a political point against trump this is serious when has anyone ever talked about the the efficacy of of of testing criteria okay but this was rushed into society this was something that so if your argument is

authoritarianism and government mandates i agree yeah if your argument is the science was done wrong i'm like when has anyone ever known anything how the science is supposed to be rushing it and bragging that he rushed it without proper testing is a problem and he continues to praise it and double down and say that he saved 100 million people when that's not true. I just want him to take credit. It would impress. There's no factual basis points for anything you're saying. OK, I can't.

I can't. I can't make a logical fact based argument when you're saying things that aren't rooted in. What do you mean? Donald Trump says something hyperbolic and nonsensical. Do you then argue that his statement is factually untrue, but there's actually no data points one way or the other. Okay, so do you think that it was a good thing to bypass the FDA, you know, their standard practices

and rush out an experimental vaccine to be forced on people? And I'm not saying he forced it. I am not saying that. I am saying, do you think it's a good idea to take credit for something and praise that this is something you did as one of the greatest achievements of mankind? Seriously.

I don't know anything about scientific criteria, how things are done. So if someone comes to me and says, I've never researched this before in my life. I know literally nothing about how the labs operate. I know literally nothing about BSL-4 laboratories. Therefore, I think what Trump did was wrong because I all of a sudden have opinion on something I've never researched before. I'm just like, okay,

this doesn't mean anything to me at all. Okay. If there is like, hey, look, for most of our lives, we've argued about whether or not, like what is appropriate for children. We have moral standards as to what we teach kids. And all of a sudden we're seeing an escalation

in these people bringing these books into schools. Here's why I think it's wrong. There is data suggesting that kids are, and then I'm like, oh, I totally understand that. Something we have all been a part of our whole lives is expansion of civil rights, arguments about what the lines are. The debate 10 years ago where they said that if we legalize gay marriage, it's going to result in, you know, grooming. And then the left argued it wouldn't. And now, now that it's happening, that conservative saying, aha, this proves it. Now, Mike, I don't think it does. This is like over a long period of time, something directly impacting our lives has been the subject of major political debate. And we have opinions on it. And now we're correlating data points

suggest we think one thing is or isn't. The vaccine stuff is all of a sudden one day people had an opinion on a scientific issue they know nothing about. There's arguments to be made about why the mandates are bad and why the government shouldn't have a role in mandating things. But when people come like people come to me and say the science was done bad. I'll be like, how should the science have been done? It should have been done by these standards. Have you do you know anything about those standards? Did anyone ever like I can't I have nothing to say to that.

It's fine. You're not I'm not going to change your mind. You're not going to change mine. I'm just saying in my opinion that disgusts me about Donald Trump. I'm not blaming him for the mandates. I'm not blaming him for lockdowns. I'm not doing any of that. I am saying he subsidized the country to Fauci and he rushed the vaccine.

Okay, whatever science you want to cite, I don't know. That's how I feel. And I think it's a lot of other people feel that way too. I know they do. And I've always found it strange for instance i find your position i sat down no offense my position is is is typically always like if i don't know anything about this thing i i don't know what i'm supposed to say about it and i wonder why it is that people become so like animated by something they've

never been involved in before i can understand being upset about the whole world was kind of brought into being involved in the vaccine when our lives were you know that's a government mandate i'm not relating that to trump not everything i say has to do with trump i'm i'm just saying like i'm not saying the mandates do it was also like fear campaigned by the media in a lot of ways and pharmaceuticals are making money and those things i all completely understand by big pharma to bring him up again the government should not mandate medications should not have the authority to do so and there were a lot of people who resisted that that i totally understand but i don't understand how someone's going to try and make a scientific argument for which they don't know enough about to use as their moral

position when you will likely lose now that being said like you know that hotas rfk debate is hilarious that he wouldn't do it and i think he he should. And I actually disagree with RFK on a lot of stuff, as you can clearly hear me saying. My issue is mainly you have you have a very clear and obvious issue. Government mandated medication. For some reason, the issue has been shifted away from that and towards the science was. You know what it was? It was Anthony Fauci mandated medication that was signed off on by Donald Trump. Yeah, Trump. I mean, there's an interview of Fauci saying that Trump never pushed back on him. Trump never denied anything that Fauci recommended.

You know, that's why I say literally he subsidized the presidency to Fauci during this time. Now, the origins of COVID totally messed up. I don't claim to know all that stuff. I'm just saying I voted for donald trump i got fauci and i got an experimental vaccine rushed and i'm not blaming him for the mandates as i said before but i'm sorry like can you not can you not take the position and just criticize trump a little bit and say it's not a good look it's not something he should do to uh continuously praise it and say that he saved 100 million people and take credit for Operation Warp Speed, which Rush did. These are opinions on issues of science I have no basis in.

Okay, look, let's move on. I just watched this video from, we were watching a flat earther video downstairs, and it's really funny, like, I'm not trying to correlate people who have questions about vaccines with flat earthers. I'm trying to make a point about specifically arguments that were made by some guy in the video not saying the same thing the issue was the guy kept saying things that he clearly had no knowledge of because of how he felt about them and i'm like that's the only issue i take with it i've i've i've not measured the curvature of the earth or anything like that

but it is strange to me when someone's like you you know, I've never had anything to do with any of this science before. I've never tested. I've never studied it. But here's my thoughts on it. And I feel strongly about it. And to me, I'm just like, I find that very weird. I don't know how you have a position on something you've never experienced before, never researched

before. You just heard repeated. And all of a sudden, you're like, I agree. That's not true. I didn't just hear it repeated. But look, I don't want to spend the whole time talking about the vaccine can i just say one thing firstly of course i'm very sorry for your loss that's horrible um it was yeah i'm really sorry um and and not not even speaking to the medical science i can't verify or confirm or

deny any of the numbers you put out there uh about the jab but i will say that I would agree with you that Trump's relationship with Fauci and the way he handled the lack the lockdowns was probably one of, if not the greatest weak points of his administration. Yeah, I mean, that's really when my support for him started dwindling. You know, I want to remind everybody again, I am a two time Trump voter. I don't know if people know or if you guys know, but I run this account account or i did i'm not very active on it anymore called the gay who strayed and i started that in 2017 as a gay trump supporter like i wanted to show that all trump supporters weren't straight white men that's literally why i created the account you know and um i was an avid avid like hardcore trump supporter i mean i just posted on twitter um like a few nights ago

i i was involved in like stop the steel protests in milwaukee like i was wearing a trump cape on the news or a flag as a cape like i was one of those people i was one of those crazy people and now i'm out of it and i'm looking at it and i'm seeing people still enraptured by him and and it and i'm just like, bro. There's one, the one thing that, well, there's two big things that have been the focal point of my critiques and it's zealotry and it's deception. That's what I don't like. I don't like it when people can't explain or they can't, like they have a position on something without justification.

People are allowed to do that. They do it all the time. I'm critical of that. Yeah. on something without justification people are allowed to do that they do all the time i'm critical of that yeah i i just i i want to ask you something here just because so you were you were a huge trump supporter um and i'm curious did you stop liking him some because you were you were at stop the steel rallies right you were still clearly a fan of him after 2020 um was this because of the the tragedy in your own life or were there other factors what what was the moment i guess when you said i really don't like trump at all well uh was it when him and desantis went to war with each other okay what was so like i said i did vote for him in 2020 and

i was part of stop the steal because i did not want a democrat in the white house obviously trump is in i can say like trump did have good parts of his presidency yeah obviously he is incredibly like miles better than a biden president you know so and i do believe that there were election irregularities um who knows again not an election expert like i'm not a you know science expert i maybe i can't comment on it i don't know uh But no, my support was dwindling then. And then after Stop the Steal and after January 6th, what I saw happen and people go there in support of him and him abandon people when he said he's going to go to the Capitol with them. He didn't go. He basically set them up in a giant honeypot situation. I mean, you know, it's just a really bad idea to tell people to go to the capital i know he said go peacefully and whatnot like a hundred percent his words were fine but the fact that all these people went there because of him and then after that like that was fine it was i i didn't think it was a very smart thing to do but that was fine but then afterwards how he abandoned these political prisoners he completely abandoned the j6 prisoners um who are i believe are just in like a dc gitmo you know how did he abandon them he never talked about them for after

the like during the like the last couple weeks of his presidency right i mean he pardoned he pardoned uh kodak black which was huge awesome how many how many how many people got directly arrested no i don't know but i'm just saying i'm not saying that he could have pardoned them i'm just saying like you know afterwards when they were going through this whole process he didn't speak about them at all he really stayed hush hush because j6 was such a big like controversial thing in the news and um it looked bad for him to speak on it you know and get involved but his his most ardent supporters were rotting away um in solitary confinement while you know

and he's a billionaire he's a billionaire i think that he could have helped with their legal defense fund um you know and he only just started talking about them again now that he's running but he ignored them for like i mean two years so yeah i mean that's really unfortunate and i think the those are two main reasons but i you're asking kind of a timeline. It had nothing to do with my mom. Well, yeah, it was long before then. And it had nothing to do with I mean, I've been a DeSantis fan and supporter, you know, because I saw what he was doing in Florida. I mean, yeah, to be clear, I don't I'm not trying to say like, oh, this is only for personal

reasons to delegitimize. I was just curious what separated you from before then. I think it can. Well, I just want to say that i do uh at the moment really heavily prefer trump but i'm sympathetic to all of those criticisms fair and see this is this is how it should be you know we should be able to we should be able to talk and disagree but you know still we're on the same side at the end of the day move closer i think don't be afraid i think one of the one of the main reasons that trump is going up in the polls is because of

desantis's failures and less because of Trump's successes. Disagree. It has to be because there's only 100% that they can tally. Because Trump's not doing anything. No, he is doing something. He's turning his base against DeSantis, who I want to tell you something, a little story. I used to run a merch store before I started Gays Against Groomers. It was called the Base Patriot.

I had merch on there that said Make America Florida. It was my best- Patriot. I had merch on there that said make America, Florida. It was my best selling t-shirt. All of my followers and supporters were Trump supporters. Obviously, you know, like all, all of my, every single person that bought something from that store was a Trump

supporter. Now, three days before the midterm election, Trump decided to have a little meltdown and he went on an unhinged, unprovoked attack against DeSantis and hasn't stopped attacking him since he has started calling him to sanctimonious and DeSantis and hasn't stopped attacking him since. He has started calling him DeSanctimonious and DeSanctus, which is, I don't know what that means. But, you know, I believe that the cult of personality

is so strong with Donald Trump that these lies and names and slander that he's throwing at DeSantis is literally changing the minds of these people who once, not very long ago loved desantis and we're saying make america florida that makes no sense though how does that not make sense how could someone be a trump supporter to the degree that they would vote for ron desantis until donald trump told them not to and then they decided well the polls were completely reversed not long ago

right so your logic makes no sense yes it does because then someone someone was going to vote for trump but actually you're not understanding what i'm saying someone was going to vote for desantis until trump told them not understanding what I'm saying. Someone was going to vote for DeSantis until Trump told them not to. And said, OK, I'll vote for Trump instead. Yeah, that makes no sense. Yes, it does. They were either Trump supporter. No, it's not that they weren't anti-Trump, but they preferred DeSantis. And all these polls, if you remember from a few months ago, like six months ago, there were a million polls all the time.

Who do you want to see the nominee, Trump or DeSantis? And DeSantis was winning every single one. Then Trump started going on his unhinged attacks every single day. The people who didn't like Trump believed Trump over DeSantis. Yes, but I'm not saying that's a failure. No, no, no. I'm not saying that they didn't like Trump. I'm saying that they saw that DeSantis was a better option.

And now between the constant pressure campaign from trump slandering desantis and making everybody think he's some rhino you know you talk about ai generated art i mean desantis posts i mean trump posts on truth social ron desantis riding a rhino i mean you know photoshop is yeah i thought that one was more obviously a joke though i think you gotta acknowledge that you're making a really good you're giving a really good example of exactly what i've been talking about in Ron DeSantis' failures. It makes no logical sense. I was for DeSantis last year.

I went on the Daily Wire show and said he's got more tact. He's got a better track record. I think he's going to be the guy. That's all still true. And then earlier in the year when I was like 50-50 because Trump had started the campaign. He started talking about what he wanted to do. He said schedule F. I'm like, okay, I could go either way.

Ron DeSantis made some mistakes. When I point those out, I get relentlessly attacked in a way I've never been attacked before. The DeSantis campaign itself attacked me. And people started saying like, why is the DeSantis campaign going after Tim Pool like this?

I'm not saying it was the craziest thing in the world. It was like a series of tweets over a few days resulting in me getting bombarded by people insulting me. i shrug it off and i'm like wow in response to bad press the desantis campaign lied and then instead of letting it ignoring it they decided to go on the offensive that was one example that personally affected me and i was like so that dropped me off from 50 50 to 55 45 then ron desantis published deep fakes his campaign to the desantis war room and then when i said yo that's crossing the line once again i started getting intense heat from them telling me that they're allowed to do it because trump

once posted a picture of ron riding a rhinoceros okay and you and i spoke about this before i don't understand how, you know, these things that are put out by his campaign or by the war room or by, you know, whatever accounts and retweeted, whatever the case may be. I don't understand how that can change your support from the actual candidate

because like, I can, I can explain it to you. Okay. Yeah. For one, Ron DeSantis has surrounded himself by people who are not competent. And when faced with not even criticism, the first thing that DeSantis people started attacking me for was that I was shocked to find out that Jazz Jennings got trans surgery in Florida while he was governor.

And the response from the campaign was to lie, claim it didn't happen, and then tell me that Ron didn't have a time machine, which was like the weirdest thing ever. Because all Christina Pichot had to do was respond to my tweet with a winking emoji saying ron's on it and i would have been like great instead it is illegal now you know it wasn't and and and still under desantis so these things are going on i didn't say ron failed i was like is this going on under ron and they relentlessly attacked me for it the response from the trump camp was to use that against ron now my my point about ron losing support and your argument not making sense is my my support for ron and my departure from him yeah has nothing to do with trump saying anything i know it has to do with deep fakes which is what my point was and other things my point was it doesn't it's not about trump's successes trump doesn't have very many

right no he doesn't it's about ron's failures, his campaign, and his supporters' inability to address the mistakes he's making, double down and defend everything he does, no matter what, like they're in a cult. But again, what does that have to do with the actual candidate and the way Ron DeSantis leads and has led in Florida, which turned Florida into a deep red state? It's literally bad leadership. I can answer that. I disagree.

Personnel. He's got bad personnel who are doing bad things and hurting no you don't have to explain i understand i just disagree similar to how donald trump put fauci in charge like if if if oh fauci was in charge and trump should have trump should have taken control because he was in charge as the president and he acted like he wasn't kind of in a way which is very strange he should have been making all the calls not letting other people do do it or signing off on other people's decisions like that. It was his job. But so if Ron DeSantis makes bad personnel decisions, we could see another weird doctor calling the shots in the White House.

Maybe it wouldn't be a doctor this time. It could be somebody, though, that's not a good pick. That's the concern. Well, yeah, you look at the people that Ron has put in, in though like in his administration you look at the uh what is it called i'm gonna get i'm so bad with like uh titles but the guy in charge of the medical stuff down there oh what's joe latipo i think that's he's the surgeon general sorry thank you that is the word i swear i'm actually a smart person this is the fascinating thing let me let me read the super chat from general kale says tim blames the sanders for his bad team but defends trump by blaming it on a bad team.

I quite literally never did that. I said Trump made a mistake and hired dumbass people and took bad advice from people like Sheldon Adelstein. I can say it a million and one times. And Ron DeSantis is currently on a similar path, and I don't like it. And Ron DeSantis won't own up to his mistakes, and I don't like it. And Donald Trump was never my first pick. I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I only liked his foreign policy and him ban accept that Ron has screwed up. If you can't look, I don't care if Ron wins or loses.

I'll just tell you this right now. If Ron can't get a hold of this and his supporters can't accept it, he will lose and he deserves to lose. OK, that's it. Fair. I just want to say that Trump will drain the swamp with Lindsey Graham by his side. Don't even know if he'll do that. But if it's 51 percent to Ron DeSantis' 49, I'll put my bet on the 51%. And that's been my position the whole time.

I'm bullish on Vivek Ramaswamy, man. You seem, you know, he just seems like your guy. Like, I can tell. Ian Crossland and Vivek, like, it's just a match. He's a billionaire by the time he's 26 or something. I don't want to speak. So is Zuckerberg, though. Watch out for that. This is what I can't understand.

That might be a reason to be skeptical of somebody, actually. I have never seen such zealotry for a candidate than I have with Ron DeSantis. You have to be joking. I am literally not kidding. Okay. How is it that Charlie Kirk, Alex Brusewitz, Carrie Lake can come in here, Steve Bannon, and I can tell them to their faces, screwed up trump screwed up trump i'm not talking about them i'm talking about like the most ardent trump supporters no i'm not talking about you know

like these big names like these famous whatever people in the political world i'm talking about your average supporter um you know trump says uh ron desantis is a meatball the next day all you see in the replies of a desantis tweet is meatball ron meatball ron ron desantis is jeb 2.0 trump says the next thing you see is jeb jeb jeb you know i mean yeah like you guys are fighting with each other no no but it's just like everything trump parrots or trump says they pair it and it's instantly true this is like according to them for where we are i did not vote for trump in 2016 i voted for trump in 2020 on a few key issues i am not very strongly conservative republican and i'm not super concerned about a lot of the issues there's a handful of culture war issues

i like i think ron desantis did a very good job on a lot of them the trump supporters and the desantis supporters are going at each other relentlessly. I, as someone who don't really care for the most part, say, hey, look at look at bad thing. I get attacked by DeSantis supporters. I look at Trump and say, hey, look at bad thing. Trump supporters say, let me argue with you. I don't get the level of vitriol, hate and zealotry from Trump supporters. Maybe you do. No. The second i come out and say anything negative about trump i'm instantly called a rhino i'm instantly called a shill i'm instantly called every name in the book we talk crap about trump all the time and we don't get the level that we get from the santa supporters okay like we've had luke grudkowski on this show you have a vastly different experience than me and a lot of people that i know

so yeah i mean so so who's to say which version is correct? This is this is why Trump will win the whole. What do you mean? Trump will win because because his supporters are crazy. Because if people are, I mean, that could be why me and Luke, the libertarians and disaffected liberals who come on this show, if their experience of Trump supporters tends to be arguments and their experience of dissent supporters tends to be vitriol, they're going to lean against DeSantis. OK, I just want to be clear when i say his supporters are crazy i'm talking you i don't want you to think that i think i respect trump supporters i'm friends with trump

supporters so many people in my organization are trump supporters when i talk about like the crazy ones i'm talking about like these you know ideologues these trump ideologues that are enraptured by like the cult of personality yes you know i i want to make that very clear because i'm not i don't like attacking people like that and i'm not trying to paint a broad brush call couldn't you say that's also something that happens in different candidacies like there are people who are absolutely die hard to santas fans who are just gonna agree with whatever he says and they're gonna be extremely angry with you if you criticize them and that's something i've noticed by the way right so i i think with the way i've been careful about my messaging uh i haven't really said anything all that bombastic my main points about like the trump de santis thing have

basically been i i think it's not great for the republican party that these two guys are fighting in an ideal world they would get along with each other when i see you know trump dunk on desantis it doesn't like thrill me the way him dunking on jeb bush did i don't go oh this is awesome part of me goes it's sad because i think desantis does have a lot to offer this country but that said even when i've said things like i think that trump has a far broader appeal with respect to his charismatic powers than desantis and i don't DeSantis gets people as excited. I've had people very angry with me just for saying that, which I think is a very mild criticism.

You know, regarding what you said earlier, that Trump supporters are crazy. I think maybe you spoke, it was a little heavy handed what you said, that it's that, in my opinion, that cultism is crazy. People that fall into cultism are falling into a crazy methodology. Not that they themselves are. It's just that that is a crazy way to behave. To love someone no matter what is a crazy way to behave. Well, if you look at the signs, there's this

graphic that was floating around, like the seven signs you're in a cult, and all of them, you know... Let me look these up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Read them. Can we read them? Because it's amazing. And you just see if it makes you think of any people. This is from the Atlantic. I don't know if I'm going to...

Is it from... Medium has 10 signs. There's a lot of different signs, apparently. I haven't read this one. Let's see. There's a couple. Opposing critical thinking. Isolating members and penalizing...

No, this isn't the one. This isn't the one. This is from the Atlantic. No, dishonoring the family unit. No. It's about the church. It was basically just about the leader. It was like basically the leader can never say anything wrong.

Like how to Santa supporters? A lot of them, yeah. Name one thing you've criticized Santa for. I mean, when? Ever? At any point ever. I have criticized the ad, the pride ad that went out. I don't think it was nearly as bad as...

I do have a tweet if you want to look it up like a week again i have no sense of time but very recently when the ad came out um that wasn't put out by his campaign it should be noted um but i was critical of it i was saying do i love to see that as a you know as a right-wing lesbian no do i think it is anti-gay and homophobic also no but you know i'm able to like i am able to see faults and and maybe um blind spots and and comment on that i think i think this is the the seven signs you were referring to okay let's hear yeah i found leadership discourage ignores or punishes questioning leadership encourage self-policing including confession and punishment no that's

not it either i'll have to find out the rest of them are all the same as atlantic no it was like a in a in an image format it wasn't an article i think cultism and politics interesting because you you'd like to think you're voting for ideas and behave like policies but you're really just voting for a human that can turn on you at any moment yes all right this is and that is a massively important point i completely agree with you we should be greatly concerned with a person's policies but one thing that has always driven me crazy about the left is whenever one of their leaders gets caught up in something like a sex scandal, and this was huge with Clinton, their response is to say, well, we shouldn't care about the moral quality of our candidates. All we should care about are the policies as if they're not a human being. They're just a set of policy prescriptions. No, you need a leader in that

position. So you want someone who behaves morally. And I think it's perfectly legitimate to point out the immoral behaviors of any candidate in any party. And I'm completely willing to bite the bullet on that with Trump. But what really drives me crazy is when I do point out just the human appeal, the fact that there's more charisma with Trump and people say, well, you know, policy matters more. I can say in a sense yes absolutely if it were up to me we would just choose people based on policy but when you're picking a candidate the thing you do have to consider is are people going to want to grab a beer with this guy because that's going to determine i think how many people vote i think

that isn't oh here it just went on yeah yeah age is another one not necessarily age but health of the brain brain health like if these are these are all reasons why last year i was saying ron desantis was the guy for the job trump's old ron's younger yes exactly ron's got great policies no more geriatrics he's uh uh he's he's got youthful vigor and military service things that donald trump doesn't have and then when donald trump relaunched his campaign and there were a few key issues especially relating to the war in Ukraine and I don't I believe Trump will end it over I don't think even Trump as a person with words will end it I think the Trump persona will be a contributing factor in ending it which I talked about earlier uh put me at like I don't know we'll see you know 50 50 I like Ron DeSantis

he's a great great proven track record in Florida and then Ron made a bunch of mistakes notably the big issue one of the big issues for me was the deep fake thing, which his campaign has completely refused to acknowledge, apologize for. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Like I, and you know that I think the media lying is the biggest, is one of my biggest pet peeves, one of my biggest issues I've complained about for years. But it's not a lie. It's not a lie.

The photo is not real. He never did. I mean, he, he may have hugged Fauci, but that picture was not real, but he did embrace Fauci. Huh? Three of the real. But he did embrace Fauci. Huh? Three of the photos. It's three photos. Okay, whatever.

He never hugged Fauci. Those photos are not real. Those three photos, whatever, are not real. But he did embrace Fauci. And that is worse. He did embrace Fauci. It's a lot worse than just hugging him one time. He embraced Fauci-ism.

He let Fauci run the freaking country. But hold on. This is the problem. I don't understand why that's such a big deal. But Trump embracing Fauci-ism. He let Fauci run the freaking country. So, but hold on, but then this is the problem. So I don't understand why that's such a big deal, but Trump embracing Fauci is not. So, but no, no, no. You can say that both are bad and you can say that one of the issues with DeSantis making, well, one of the issues with DeSantis making these deep fakes is that it's a great deflection point for Trump. If DeSantis wants to bring up Trump's relationship with Fauci during the debates or any other candidate that wants to bring that up trump just goes more lies more deep fakes and he can say that credibly because there was a deep fake there was a real deep fake but i think i

think i think voters are smart enough to understand that people are bringing up you know how he handed the presidency over to him and not just like a two-second clip from a quick ad like but the thing is like a quick soundbite response is very persuasive to the american public so trump just being able to say you've made deep fakes of me and fauci we're not going to listen to you have no credibility here it's going to be a massive and the moderator is going to say this is correct this governor desantis you did do this how do you respond and if i was desantis i would say you literally embraced fauci maybe you didn't hug him like in this picture but you embraced him and the country not literally like you figuratively your presidency you embrace fauci and the country was destroyed because of

that decision by you the danger is trump's gonna interrupt him and say he's confessed he's admitted it that's what i'm talking about whatever we can play what ifs what about ism we'll see how it plays out if trump even goes why isn't trump going to the debate i'd love to see it the danger i see with deep fakes is that we're still early in the technology so in four years you'll be able to make a video of someone doing whatever you want it will look exactly real life and if you put yeah real life jamie if i put that over the video of you doing something that you didn't do even if i think metaphorically it counts that's dirty i think that it would be a lot worse if it was trump like sucking some dude off right like that would never be in a campaign ad but something that

like is very obviously you know in real life never i mean maybe not yet maybe it did but i'm just saying like him hugging fauci in a picture, a fake picture, when he actually embraced him figuratively for over a year, two years or something. I don't think that that's comparable to a deep fake of me kissing a guy, proving that I'm straight, trying to say, see, she's straight. That's different, I think. But if it was you doing something, killing someone, and it looked real? Well, see, she's straight. Like that's different, I think. But if it was you doing something, killing someone and it looked real. Well, yeah, that's terrible. Yeah, but the technology is already there.

We already have that. Almost, yeah. It's almost exactly real. I don't think that you can take it that extreme from this DeSantis ad. I just don't. It's the beginning of a long tunnel of danger. Yeah, I understand.

It's a crossing of the Rubicon. We have long talked about the dangers of AI. We've talked, like, you know, side note, Elon launches XAI. More is coming. We should talk about that. Media is going to start. They've already announced, I think, GMG, Gizmodo Media Group is firing journalists that are going to do AI content instead.

But AI can only imitate. It can't create. So what happens is, instead of new information getting generated, it regurgitates existing information, feeds it back into the AI and creates a feedback loop. So what DeSantis did is a component of that very, very bad thing. Should not have happened,

crosses the Rubicon into very dangerous territories where we're going to start seeing very subtle manipulations in politics, we can tolerate none of it. The only way we navigate it is by making it unconscionable to do. So Ron DeSantis goes to zero so long as he's done the unthinkable. Okay.

I still think it's, in my opinion, not worth abandoning your support of the potential, you know, I mean, the greatest politician I believe in the Republican Party right now that is running for president that shines against trump in every way um you know that's just my opinion and i respect yours tim and like i said we should be able to have these conversations okay like you know this isn't twitter we should be able to have a healthy debate yeah we are having healthy i know but like but like and still be on good terms like i still

respect you i respect your opinion i think ronda santos is the is the best politician in the country hands down i want to have him in here this is what is hard why wouldn't you want him to be president over a deep fake he's incompetent and he's bad oh my god you gotta have him all right let's there's a lot of arguments yeah let's talk about like days against groomer stuff that's why i'm here what's it up to well what's happening we do we do have breaking news we do We gotta have him. All right, let's... There's a lot of arguments. Let's talk about Days Against Groomers stuff. Hell yeah, dude. That's why I'm here. What's it up to? Well, what's happening...

We do have breaking news. We do have breaking news that we have to jump to. Ladies and gentlemen, Ray Epps to be criminally charged for events on January 6th, his attorney says. Yeah, this is a big one.

Why did it take this long? Because he's suing Fox News. I think he just announced it. That's the next bit of news. But the revelation was made in a lawsuit that Epps filed against Fox News on Wednesday that accused the network and former host Tucker Carlson of defaming him. So it is because of this lawsuit that he is. I'm sorry. It is because of the lawsuit.

We know he's been criminally charged. I suppose the argument they're making is that he's being charged because of them or something. I don't know. Dude, here's the thing. Let's say that he's being charged because of them or something i don't know dude here's the thing let's say yeah let's just say okay wow we'll play we'll play make believe for a moment we'll say you know what this is just some guy who went there he wasn't working with any kind of federal agency uh and he hasn't been protected by his status as someone who worked with them. Even so, even if we want to say that's the case, good. This guy should be charged.

You're whispering, you're instigating the day before, telling people that they have to go into the Capitol. Everyone starts calling you a fed. You're still doing it, going around and instigating. You're whispering in the ear of the first person to break a barrier down before they break the barrier down. Why did it take so long for this guy to be arrested? Epps' lawyer

blamed Carlson for the potential forthcoming charges. Take a look at that. It wasn't your client? Stop. Thank you, Tucker Carlson. It wasn't like, yeah, no, it was Tucker Carlson's fault. Tucker Carlson was actually whispering in Ray Epps' ear before Ray Epps whispered in everyone else's ear

to start breaking the barriers down. You know what? Tucker is still going to destroy Fox News, even not being there. Because if he wins, if Epps, you know, has a case here against them, then. Shout out to Tucker. Tim's shouting out Tucker right now. Fix the OCD about typos. No, I mean, this is very real.

I've spoken about Ray Epps a bit in the past. We've had some conversations about him and about January 6th and just how interesting it is that he was so clearly involved in instigating and yet he never got in any trouble uh and so look him being charged is a win-win regardless when you look at how many people were rotting away in prison in solitary confinement were having their rights violated for doing things like entering the building just a fraction of him when you look what happened to brandon stracka yeah uh they they claimed he was he was outside of the capitol and they claim that they heard him saying that people should go in or something along those lines and there's not even footage of him saying it they just claim the voice saying it on camera is him and then he ended up having to plea

down to avoid prison time and this guy was was whispering in people's ears telling them to break barriers down was telling people on january 5th that they needed to go into the capitol and here it is july of 2023 and he's now being charged this is ridiculous years two and a half years later two and a half years later and i just love that he's saying carlson is he's blaming carlson for the upcoming charges i just tweeted uh thank you tucker carlson you're a gentleman and a scholar so is that why he's announcing that they're gonna sue fox for tucker's voice i hope he just didn't do anything wrong and tucker carlson just made him look bad for no reasons

yeah this is really funny look at rolling stone said they said the lawsuit alleges the network particularly its former host, Tucker Carlson, painted Epps as an undercover federal agent in order to push a conspiracy that the FBI helped orchestrate the riot. In the aftermath of the events of January 6th, Fox News searched for a scapegoat to blame other than Donald Trump or the Republican Party.

Eventually, they turned on one of their own, telling a fantastical story in which Ray Epps, who was a Trump supporter that participated in the protests on January 6th, Wow! We went from the insurrection a fantastical story in which ray epps who was a trump supporter that participated in the protest of the protests real fast they said he was an undercover agent was responsible for the mob that broke into the capital and interfered the peaceful transition of power the conspiracy theory blah blah blah fed fed fed do they mention here that they that he's being criminally charged uh they said in may they were notified by the that was the other article said that in may they were notified rolling stone said that no it was the article you had before okay yeah i don't i don't know if uh they conveniently left that yeah i don't think

rolling stone's bringing up that he's blaming Carlson for being criminally charged. How does that work? If you're criminally charged with something and then you try and sue the person that got the criminal charge? Yo, look at this, look at this. I'm sorry to interrupt, but look. It says Epps has not been arrested for his involvement and Carlson and others have alleged the Justice Department is protecting him because he's working for the FBI. Yet in the lawsuit, Epps says he's being criminally charged. Huh.

Recently informed, Apps said it plans to prosecute him. Yeah. Rolling Stone, fact check your garbage. Unless the Daily Wire's wrong, I really doubt it. Well, Rolling Stone has... They've really been batting 100 lately, huh? We saw their article about... That's bad.

About Sound of Freedom. And did you see their article wasn't there's like a meme like a screenshot side by side of the article about sound of freedom and then their article about cuties that netflix yes that's right they said it was like a great i want to yeah i gotta read this i gotta read this is uh section 94 of the lawsuit finally in may 23 the department of justice notified epps that it would seek to charge him criminally for the events on january 6 2021 two and a half years later the relentless attacks by Fox and Mr. Carlson and the resulting political pressure likely resulted in the criminal charges. Wow, Tucker Carlson, can I buy you a beer?

Yeah, you can actually. As if we're supposed to be a conservative dad's ultra right. The question is, when they publish these kinds of stories trying to smear Tucker and Epps is the person we're supposed to be sympathetic to, who do they think is going to buy that? Like who who in the country is going to. Oh, man, because everyone on the right is going to say either a this guy's a fed or B, he's somebody who got away with it when he shouldn't have. When you look at people rotting in prison over far lesser wrongdoing and what the left is going to say is this guy's an insurrectionist who do they think this is appealing to who's going to shed tears over this guy yeah right like tucker carlson accused him of inciting violence at the capitol and now he's going to get charged for it and rolling stones defending him that's amazing that's well that's why you know something's up what is this that's why you know something's up with this guy why would one of the insurrectionists be defended by rolling stone by basically everyone in the media everyone

in media who hates everyone has acknowledged him fact checkers have come to his defense and said he did nothing wrong come on yeah they love that guy he's on video saying stuff i believe is that correct everybody else on video j6 is a domestic terrorist but they love this guy the guy who is on camera on january 5th saying we need to go inside the capitol dude he says that to a crowd of people and they start cheering fed fed fed fed and again they start chanting at and pointing at him so he was inciting yes he was inciting and then lo and behold the next day they all do the thing he said that they should do the night before. Right after he whispers into somebody's ear and that person breaks down one of the barriers.

And it is July of 2023. And we're just getting word that this guy might be charged. And it's because of Tucker Carlson. Are you kidding me? What's interesting? Are you kidding me? They announced interesting? Are you kidding me? They announced that they were going to charge him in May, but I haven't heard anything about it until today, which is two and a half months later or two months later, I guess.

Tucker is a national treasure. I deeply respect this man. He stopped an insurrectionist, Tim. He brought an insurrectionist to justice. He provided evidence about Jake Chansley, I believe his name right. Jacob Chansley. Jacob Chansley. Showing him walking through the halls with a police escort and them even trying to open doors for him.

And he also exposed Ray Epps as one of the people inciting the violence and tearing down the barricades, telling people to go inside. The thing about this whole January 6th thing is you'll find most people, even Donald Trump himself says, there were bad people there. They should be charged. But some of them, many of them weren't. I think everybody agrees the violence, the fighting was bad.

Even Trump posted on January 6th, our side believes in law enforcement. The media tried lying about all of it, trying to claim that he was egging people on to go there for violence. Tucker Carlson exposes the lies and the manipulations while also criticizing someone who actually incited violence. That is the balanced, honest, and moderate approach to what happened. We don't like the violence on January 6th.

We don't like the innocent people being charged. Tucker is effectively calling it out. So effective, it seems seems epps is actually finally getting charged for being a principal actor and inciting the violence that day isn't this crazy remember when when trump said go over there and march peacefully he was actually sending out a top secret right-wing dog so i don't know if you know this but every uh conservative in the country every right-winger actually has a chip in our brain and when right-wing pundits say things that sound totally innocuous they're actually telling us to do something evil so trump activated

that magic power uh and he said go over there peacefully and have your voice heard and of course what he was really saying is you know like enter the the building and commit acts of violence uh now ray epps on the other hand when he was saying enter the capital what he was actually dog whistling was be peaceful no no have your voice heard it's a song everyone's getting it backwards it's a song about uh computer programming enter the capital just meant like press shift and it was misconstrued he says we gotta enter the cat no you misunderstand it's a song about computer programming it was like rock the casbah for computer nerds that's what that smash hit.

He's all big misunderstanding and now he's going to jail. He's going to jail because of Tucker Carlson and his fake news. I mean, seriously, these people, hold on a second. Does anyone in the media think that Tucker Carlson has any influence over who's charged? The only reason he has any say on this or that he's related to this is because he

showed actual footage of what the guy was doing to the American people to the point where the media couldn't ignore it tucker carlson can't just fabricate charges against the person and then have that person go to jail actually what what world are they living in what world do these people live in where tucker carlson can falsely accuse you of a crime and you go to jail a world where they falsely accuse people of crimes and they go to jail but they should know that Tucker doesn't have that ability Wouldn't it be great if he did though If he had that kind of power

I want Tucker in power I don't like you and I'm going to have you sent to prison Actually Team Tucker No all I can do is say actually Seamus is the one who can actually do his voice Actually I will fabricate evidence about you on my television program

Just interviewed Andrew Tate Did you guys see it? I did not see that. It was okay. I didn't watch the whole thing. You went to Romania, is that right? Yeah. I mean, you have to, I guess.

I watched a decent amount of it, and I think it's really great for people who aren't familiar with Andrew Tate. But for anybody who's watched or listened to Andrew Tate, you're like, it's his thing, it's his spiel, it's the advice he gives. Tucker didn't give too much of himself in the interview. It's mostly just Tate. It's a spiel. It's the advice he gives. Tucker didn't give too much of himself in the interview. It's mostly just tape. I've only seen clips. I only saw like the first 10 minutes.

But, you know, regardless of who it is that he's interviewing, I just love how many views his videos, you know, this show of his is getting on Twitter. Because, I mean, every day, more and more, you just continue to see that legacy media is irrelevant and is dying and everybody should celebrate that. Dude, his Twitter picture is like him in a leather jacket. Can we talk about corporate media?

I know, I love that new picture. Here, check out a story out from Daily Mail. MSNBC's Micah Brzezinski blames 80-year-old Biden's staff for making him look old, argues his aides should be making sure he doesn't fall over and should be controlling his schedule. Who

watches these people and thinks they're like smart critical thinkers? They're hurting their own argument. I don't know. The people who follow it are like, tell me where to stand and how high to jump. It's a somewhat salient point Mika's saying like, you know, we've done stage performances.

You don't necessarily know where all the pitfalls are on the stage when you're done. You hopefully someone's going to point to the exit for you. Otherwise, you're looking around like, where's the exit? I just got here. And she's saying that the handlers should like let them know ahead of time. You're going to be walking off over here. There should be people waving him, things like that. But at the same time, she's also kind of admitting that he's 80 and frail like mentally not stable because like realistically you look around really quick you're the president

you can do whatever you want you can laugh and joke with people as you're looking around you can make a display of it but the guy's so old and it looks like even like his musculature is having a hard time holding his bones up sometimes i like how that's true the fact that you could blame this man's staff for the fact that he looks old is remarkable to me. That's one I didn't think I'd hear. You know, the speech impediment one was wild enough when he said poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids or when he said 200-shabba-depressure or bad calf care.

I agree with the bad calf care. Or an exorescent. And they're like, well, that's like a speech impediment. It's like, what kind of speech impediment makes you say that? That's not a speech impediment. The dementia one? No, it's called Biden-ophagy. Yeah, exactly. It's some weird

disease that's unique to him, I guess. Let's jump to the story from Deadline. I want to make sure we get this one in before we go to Superchats. Ladies and gentlemen, from Deadline, Jim Caviezel thriller sound of freedom knocks insidious red door from number one spot they can't just write it can they write the headline sound of freedom box office number one just write that they had to write in

such a way that you they don't they don't say it even in the article they don't explicitly say it they just say like it hit four million dollars and then red door was 3.5 so knocked down from just say sound of freedom is number one ladies and gentlemen with uh your viewing of the film your support this film about child trafficking is number one the reason why i'm so excited for it parallel economy obviously it's a good movie you should see it obviously. Obviously, child trafficking is bad. But there are a lot of movies about a lot of issues that we watch. Okay. This is about indie films shifting the cultural narrative onto issues that we need to talk about, problems that need to be stopped, that for a long time they claimed weren't really happening in the weirdest of ways. The Epstein stuff, they said, oh, that's nonsense. And then got arrested for it and then max maxwell got convicted for it and then prince andrew got ostracized and shunned for his involvement and there's a lot of people on that client list we want to know about now this movie comes out after five years they try and shut it down and this is what you can see a film about an important issue number one it's a good film it's got a 100 audience score and

rotten tomatoes even the critics like it overwhelmingly it's like 80 that's true as much as they try to enjoy it yep as much as they want to rag on it and say it's a q anon film the majority of critics are like it's a good movie 80 and now that it's number one let's keep supporting films like this so that we can have alternatives to hollywood and the creepy grooming stuff that they try and do in these films and the weird woke ideology this This is that path forward. Part of what makes this movie so great, I saw it last night, is Jim Caviezel is really feeling this stuff. I mean, you can see it in his eyes.

There's just, it's enough of his eyes. You are with him. You're in his mind space and it is so powerful. I don't know what he went through to get into this place where he's at right now, but God bless Jim Caviezel. That man is amazing. Yeah, he's a right now but god bless jim caviezel that man is amazing yeah he's a good actor i mean he was in the passion right yeah yeah yeah that's right

he hasn't really done anything major i feel like since then like he's kind of he just comes back for well this was well there's a reason so there's a famous story about how he was a while ago yeah there's a famous story about how he was cast in the passion mel gibson called him and said hey do you want to destroy your career all right let said, all right, let's do it. Did you see that? The Passion? Oh, yeah, yeah. We watched it recently, actually.

Yeah, we actually re-watched it. Yeah, we watched it together. There's a lot I learned about in terms of the politics of the era that I didn't know, which I thought was interesting. In terms of this film, it was made five years ago.

So when you mentioned he hasn't been doing stuff, he actually was. He was doing this. And then they blocked the film. film now let me ask you guys why would hollywood not run a film like this i can't imagine a possible incentive they would have to not want people to care about the issues of child trafficking and other related problems you know their response to it just i mean they just tell on themselves it's like why are you doing this at least fake

it you know like yep i don't know they're kind of it puts them in a catch-22 like they can't support it because they don't want it exposed but if they you know come out against it like they have been it makes them look sus as fuck there's that there's that viral uh there's that viral tweet where it's a guy who was like a writer at one of these digital outlets was claiming he tweeted something like the only reason conservatives keep complaining about kids being shown graphic materials because they secretly want to show kids graphic material what and then it was like it's one of those like defiant l's or whatever where it's like the next one is writer named so and so gets arrested for soliciting images or something like this of course this is all right this is it's

one of the only jokes the left has is you're against this thing i bet you secretly want to do that thing right that's why your video was so good yeah thank you we just released when you asked me i gotta watch that one but if you like believe in traditional marriage like up you're secretly gay that's the only explanation if you're like i want uh literally with with every single issue uh if if're against grooming, oh, well, actually, you secretly want to groom. I'm not kidding. I think I've heard a version of this

about literally every topic. It's true. We get that all the time on Gays Against Groomers. Yeah. You're like secret groomers. Of course, that's the only reason that you'd oppose this.

I think what's that line, thou's protest too much? I think thou's protest too much. Is that Shakespeare? Methinks thou's protest too much. And there is something to that. The lady that someone's constantly talking about how something is evil maybe then they are the one that's perpetrating it and they want everyone to think they're not i understand that methodology but that doesn't mean that if you claim something is evil or wrong that you

secretly want to do it yeah the lady doth protest too much me thinks we live in this we live in a culture where so many horrible degenerate things have been normalized so it makes sense that people would pay attention to that and want to fix that but whenever you do it's well that's kind of interesting that you pay so much attention that's like well i want one of the number one culture war issues in the country right now you think it's weird how dare we care about children being abused sexually and otherwise like you freak yeah this line is fantastic. It's basically accusing someone of virtue signaling. It is Queen Gertrude in response

to insincere overacting of a character to prove his uncle's guilt blah blah blah. The lady doth protest too much me thinks. I'm just going to say that to people now who are virtue signaling. It's a great play. If you haven't seen Hamlet before, see it. See a good version of it. I've seen Billy Madison, you know, hold the skull. That's all I've ever seen of it a good movie i've seen billy madison you know

hold the skull that's all i've ever seen or not to be in the play they do a play so they're watching actors in the play do this like faux scene about the murder of i think it's about the murder of hamlet's father uh and then the mother's like something's off about this and she doesn't know that her husband murdered her her old husband so her new husband i could explain this way better i don't want to spoil it that's why i'm kind of scamping around but yeah it's a four or five hundred year old play um so hamlet's mother's uh and his father was killed in the beginning of the play so then his uncle comes in and marries his mother and turns out his uncle killed his father um but his mother

doesn't know that and she's looking at the play like something's off about and they're trying to it's a great absolutely phenomenal story right i'm gonna have to go check i hope i got all that right i looked up the i was in it i played laertes the current numbers for sound of freedom from box office mojo 49 million 497 837. So that's fantastic. It is Wednesday. If every single person watching this goes and sees it, what is that? That's not enough.

We need every single person watching this to bring their friends and family to go see it so that this film can crack $100 million. Let's do it. Look, I'm willing to see it again. I also think that if you can, it's good to contribute to the free ticket funds that they have for people who can't afford to go see the movie

but would like to. Have you heard about there's a bunch of videos being shared on social media of people being kicked out of the theaters and getting refunded? No, I haven't seen that at all.

Because there's too many people there? No, no, no. For no reason. Actually, I think Newsweek reported this. Let me see if I can... They just don't... They're trying to prevent people from seeing it.

No idea. I was going to say, Seamus, would you go together if you want to? Here you go. Yeah, let's do it. Newsweek, right here. So you don't have to go alone. Sound of Freedom viewers

forced to evacuate movie theater video shows. So the report actually brings up that there are several different videos where people in various theaters are told for some reason they got to evacuate the theater and they're given a refund and no explanation why. There's like Mr. Smiths all over the place trying to get people to you know from the matrix trying to get people to not see it they're just like oh no there's a fire you have

to leave it was a horrific horrifically awesome movie man i oh geez it's it's a tough watch right i mean it is there are parts that are very uh painful and i'm not sure how much i can say without spoiling it but it it almost um what's good about it is at the end you do feel motivated to want to do something because i don't think like just given the nature of the problem it's not a story that they can just tie in and eat little bow like you get that with hollywood films a lot the problem solved everything's fine and it gives the audience a sense of satisfaction it's a movie that you watch and it's impactful and it's more than a worthwhile watch but you walk out of the theater feeling like there's so much that needs to be done yeah it doesn't just it's spoon feed you a victory like so many films do like an archaeology dig

where you find some of the artifact but you haven't you've just seen tip exactly exactly you see a little bit of it and and there are like there are incredible true stories that are told through that film about people who were rescued and obviously seeing anyone rescued is a wonderful thing to see but the film doesn't shy away from letting you know that the problem's far from solved right like the day has has not been totally saved there's there are there's work you have to do there's more children being trafficked today than when slavery was legal it's there's more slaves there's more slaves in the world overall yep something what 80 million slaves in the world i think i think i think it is true that there are more child sex slaves today

than there were then there were slaves back when slavery was legal oh sorry it looks about like 50 million slaves in the world so i was today but yeah 50 million people in the world living in slavery as of 2022 how do you even begin to tackle that i mean i guess you do what they did and what tim ballard did well in the movie they bring this up like a lot of this stuff is happening outside the u.s we have no control like it's just not here you know so that's what tim ballard does he goes and he uh yeah that guy is unreal I mean I think he's here tomorrow actually oh my god

that's fantastic I wish I was here to just shake his hand honestly say hello bless him normally we don't

announce guests in advance it was like tears of hope it's like you feel you know you feel rage

you feel sorrow you feel hope the film it takes you on a roller coaster but the film it's not just like it's this emotional experience that you'll get from film sometimes where it's totally aimless and they're just manipulating you it's giving you a real story it's about a real problem it's giving you solutions so great ballard will be on tim guest i wrote my goodness my goodness with uh eduardo vera stu uh he's the director of the film correct very excited for that. Very excited.

That is huge. Going to be great. Maybe I'll push my flight back. I just want to shake his hand. I know. I want to shake his hand, too. I just want to say thank you. God bless him.

His wife, too. I hope his wife's here with him. I don't know if she's going to take the trip. They have a lot of kids. No, they're incredible. His wife is an incredible woman. I was reading some of the differences between the film and his real story, and I'll let him share on air what he wants to share what he's here because it'll be more impactful for him but some of what he said his wife said was like uh in just her involvement and support is

incredible like what a sacrifice for a wife to make yeah but oh geez well we'll go into it tomorrow this dude's like i know we got a bunch of kids but i'm gonna save a whole bunch of other people's kids and she's like okay yeah do it it's crazy it's it's it's incredible that was when i first cried is when i i don't want to i don't think it's spoiling it but when yeah too soon you gotta let him see it you gotta let him see it you people everyone really goes yeah i haven't seen it yet i haven't seen it you you want want to be a part of it. This is not a film you want to watch on streaming in a couple months. It really is not.

You want to see this in the theater with fellow audience members. That's a good question. It's more impactful. I'm really confused about that. Yeah, because it was pushed around

and rebuffed for five years. It's actually shocking that it's not just an... They have indie theaters in cities. It's weird to me that... Yeah, I don't know. Thank goodness. It's kind of weird. No, it's actually shocking that it's not just an you know they have like indie theaters i know like it's weird to me that yeah i don't know thank goodness well it's great but what how did that happen uh a lot of a lot of hard work prayer in providence uh and i'll also mention this like just to reaffirm what i'm saying here and help hit this point home like you don't want to be

watching this at your house checking your your phone. There's distractions everywhere. Like, go see this film in theaters. Support it as much as you possibly can while it's still out. I mean, I really, really, really want to recommend everybody go see this. Yeah. We got to call it the sound of freedom effect.

There you go. When, like, we can prove that the issues we care about, we will stop spending money on garbage and we'll start spending money on good stuff we'll download apps like public square and we're going to tell the old guard and the machine we don't need them anymore so a film like this succeeding does two things it makes child trafficking the forefront of major issues that we need to address and we should which of course the establishment for some reason is very worried about. And it supports independent studios.

Who are getting major films in theaters. But I just want to say outright. The first ten minutes of this movie man. Don't give anything away. The whole film is brutal. But incredibly captivating. And I'll say this. For every dollar.

That you didn't spend on Bud Light. You should contribute that to the pay it forward fund for this film think about it how long is how long have you been boycotting bud light how long have you refused to drink it for how much do you usually spend on bud light in that time period if you can afford to i would take all of that money and get drunk on the sound of freedom amen that's what you should do pay it forward go watch the sound of freedom pay it forward there's a pay it forward option oh yeah you can't see it use it literally recommend recommend it to people bring your cell phone because at the end

they'll show you a church group together to go see it they'll pop up a barcode at the end of the movie after the credits uh where you can scan it with your cell phone to pay it forward for someone else or to find free tickets if there you know that can't afford it. They tell you to do it. Yeah. They're like, this sounds weird, but pull out your phone right now. If you have like an adults group or young adults group or something at your church, I'm sure most, I'm sure a lot of churches are already doing this, but this is something that

you should plan. Y'all should support this. Y'all should support this film. My temperature go up in goosebumps when I think about the little kids, like young kids. Dude. I know. Wow. Well, let's go to Super to super chats if you haven't already kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share this show with your friends and become a member over at timcast.com by clicking join us we're gonna have a members only uncensored show coming up for you tonight and it will be a lot of good fun we'll talk about some uh some uh you know spicy issues

before we get into that can i just talk for very briefly about gays against yeah what's going on i just want to say uh yeah if you guys want to learn more we are also in the business of saving kids from the radical alphabet ideology that is destroying the youth right now um that is telling them that they are sexual beings and that they are born in the wrong body and uh the work we're doing is really important all of us are from you know we're all lgb or t primarily um gays and lesbians uh and if you want to learn more help us out in our fight just go to gays against rumors.com and i'd i'd be remiss if i didn't squeeze that in there because that's why i'm here first time i've ever heard someone say that they're attempting to make children sexual beings. They are. They're trying to sexually liberate children and give them bodily autonomy. I mean, if a child can consent to sterilizing themselves or chopping body parts off, what can't they consent to?

It's like the most extreme thing ever. And the line from A to B there is very, very short. All right. Let's grab some super chats. I'm not your buddy guy says, it's interesting the latest season of Jack Ryan has US intel agencies being revealed to have been weaponized by Far East powers

to do their bidding. Really? Never seen the show. Not far left powers? Jay Marie says, Ian, I love your spirit, bro. I have a special way of explaining philosophy, religion, politics, et cetera, in a matter that's very digestible i think you would enjoy please swing by j marie

thesis podcast nice ian literally does have the best spirit energy it's a conglomeration i can feel it from here like for real excellent i love it mike hilton says i finally received my order from you guys but strangely it only contains a bunch of spoons and potatoes. And I'm talking a lot of spoons, man. Wow. So look at that. Tim blames me for taking his spoons and they show up in somebody's order.

We got to cover Spoon Man and do a video of Seamus as the Spoon Man. Why are you putting this on me? Why is everyone putting this on me? I didn't do anything. It actually works out really well because I have to make the joke that crazy people accuse me of stealing their spoons and putting this on me i didn't do anything it actually works out really well because i have to make the joke that crazy people accuse me of stealing their spoons and putting them on the moon because like i talk about like tim i'm not worried about sane people people can

have arguments and like people don't like me the worst thing that's ever happened in that regard is like i'm walking down the street in new york and someone's like f you tim pool and i'm like oh hey what worries me you're like crazy people who are like ranting and scratching the walls and they're like he stole my spoons man and he put him on the moon yeah so so part of why tim i get it it's it was a test tim said before you host timcast for a week you have to know what it's like to have a lunatic accuse you of stealing their spoons but in all in all honesty you were taking his spoons downstairs and keeping them. This is a ridiculous accusation. No, it's a ridiculous accusation. Because you were stealing them from him.

No, this is an warrantless. Where are you coming up with this? This is just an option. This is conjecture. You're acknowledging this is conjecture? Yeah, I will. That's all I needed to hear. Thank you. That's all the audience needed.

I want to tell everybody the real story. No, it's nonsense. The real story is that Allison's doing the dishes, and she's like, do you know where the spoons went? I was like, oh, Seamus might have them. Hey, Seamus, do you have some spoons? He was like, oh, yeah. And he walked up and he put the spoons in the sink.

And then Seamus goes, there's an Irish man living under my house who steals my spoons. How many spoons was it? It's not the whole story is made up, so I have no idea how many spoons there were. Look, I'm not the kind of person who would do that. I'm not the kind of person who would do that. You know me. You know me. I wouldn't do that.

I'm not the kind of person who would do that let's read more super chats heron gaming news says my girlfriend and i watched the sound of freedom my girlfriend couldn't stomach it because of her history of being abused as a child well unlike what the left always says about lgbtq representation in movies this one will help save lives and innocence i wonder if she finished the movie i hope she finished the movie i understand that well and i said this uh i think yesterday or the day before while i was talking about this but it's very possible that this is going to be a film some people can't get through absolutely however if you go to see it and you have to get up and walk out of the theater there's a

conversation i was having with my parents my mom said i want to see it but i'm worried that you know it's going to be too hard for me to watch and what i said is go see it and if you really need to get up and leave the theater because it's it's too hardcore for you it's too difficult to watch which very well might be you will know that your money funded a good cause and helped spread awareness and it's not wasted because it's not like you're going to see a movie and that it isn't good so you walk out of it and the money is you know poorly spent like this is an important movie that's raising awareness even if you can't sit through the whole thing uh it's it's worth buying a ticket and going to see it all right monk in training says tim working all the time the way you are is unhealthy and your grandpa died

because he worked himself to death it's a marathon marathon not a race i don't think my grandpa worked himself to death yeah that was like really personal really fast about something they couldn't possibly know yeah I'm pretty sure you're completely wrong my grandpa fell off a telephone pole smashed his vertebrae

and had to spend the last 20 years of his life in a bed that's how I knew he was bedridden are you serious yeah Blaine shout out to Blaine

what's up dude one of my grandfathers is still alive the other got sick he got sick it was a sad story. Yeah, I'm sorry to hear it.

He didn't work himself to death. In fact, I think the work was good for him. Maybe they're just taking a shot in the dark. I don't completely disagree. However, I do work quite a whole bit. However, I have no choice but to take a week off. So I'm kind of like, well, I guess, you know, I'm not going to cry about it.

These things happen. I want to do movies with you as you as the actor. I don't want to do that. Yeah. Yeah, I do. When you do it like any good, you'd be great. You're great at it anyway. But they would be.

I don't know. Just a change of direction for a little while. Like a good feature. We're going to keep doing this. Oh, we got to keep doing this. Next week, I'm going to a doctor who's going to be like injecting my leg with things and like the camera and they got to fixed cartilage and stuff we'll do if you guys starring in a movie but one house forever that's like a day was shoot during the

day we'll do IRL evil wait what are you talking about what did you did you not mute my I didn't say anything all right let's uh here we go here we go I wouldn't do something like just leave me alone says they've extended Sound of Freedom for another week in our theater. We're going to see it for the second time Saturday. Bought t-shirts too. That's fantastic. We just want,

you know, when the Daily Wire started making movies, I was like, everybody should watch these movies. We need to encourage studios outside of the creepy, woke Hollywood garbage. Exactly.

I totally agree. I just, my one hope for the Daily Wire is that they don't start like putting Knowles in their films. Michael Knowles. Yeah, he's an actor of sorts. Smokey Mike.

Yeah, yeah. I just... Yeah, that would be a real tragedy if Michael Knowles started starring in awesome hit movies. To be honest, I'm a hypocrite because I've used him in cartoons, and he's done wonderful voice acting for me. I would like to see even Dailyware buy sound of freedom once it's cycling out of the theaters and put it on the daily wire people will subscribe we got a dreadnought's upset he says trump running from the basement are you serious the man fills stadiums doing rallies de sandis is a neocon shill trump hasn't filled the stadium uh since 2020 well and my point was

not engaging in debate so tucker is doing this forum and trump's not going to do it and trump doesn't want to debate that's specifically what i was referring to trump being like i don't need to i'm not gonna yeah you know i think he shouldn't i think i think he's not just that one but the one in august as well uh you know it's actually in milwaukee where i live i really want to go if there's somebody from fox watching um i know i maybe talked a little poorly about your network a few minutes ago i want to go. If there's somebody from Fox watching, I know I maybe talked a little poorly about your network a few minutes ago.

I want to go to the debate. Cool. Someone make it happen. Dstock says, I really want a Trump Lake ticket. Carrie Lake would be an amazing VP.

I agree. I do think there are probably, she's a top contender in my mind, but I do think there may be better picks. It's hard to figure out who it would be.

However, I think Carrie Lake is infinitely better in but i do think there may be better picks it's hard to figure out who it would be however i think carrie lake is infinitely better in arizona and i think she'd be great winning the senate seat i and i think i'm pretty sure that's what her plan is i'm just thinking about carrie lake should be serving arizona and then once she's done all she can for arizona then she she upgrades to the federal so would it be safe to say that the only republican vice presidential candidate that works is vivek ramaswamy no who else could be a vp in the republican party yeah it's tough i think like byron don i mean byron is a trump supporter he's endorsed trump i think thomas massey i think there's a lot of great guys ran paul massey endorsed to sanis yeah i know i'm talking if to santas is the nominee if trump is the nominee trump no if trump is the nominee i'd like to see like a byron donalds i'd like to see you know somebody that's uh maybe not lindsey graham i don't know they're awfully close right now but i don't know who trump could pick because for the

longest time the only thing everyone anyone was saying was trump desantis that's not happening i think he likes dude byron donald's awesome he's great byron's a good guy and i think you know i mean demographically i think it could help trump has spoken very favorably trump will be the nominee he's spoken very favorably trump has of vivek ramaswamy there's at least a video i saw where he's like have you heard of him his name's vivek ramaswamy i'm not your buddy guy says rfk is not the way he is crazy on the green stuff he is that's yeah he's he's a democrat i don't know i mean yeah what do you expect he's a democrat you know because he's okay on one issue and and is exposing some stuff that you know are bringing things to

the conversation um but he should be the presidential nominee for democrats i mean that'd be great absolutely yeah i mean anybody but this biden guy well let's not say that because i don't know be careful what you wish yeah no no no no i wouldn't want to see like an aoc still too young but you know what i mean here's a good one tinky winky says first time super chat because serge's comments about john deere last night triggered me would you say i wonder if he knows why they paint them green so they can hide in the grass while the real tractors do the work red power baby, baby. That's a good one. So like,

do farmers have farmer jokes where they're like, they're hanging at the farmer's bar or whatever, and it's like, why are John Deere tractors green? So they can hide in the grass as the red ones do the real work.

Is that like, is that a thing they do? That's hilarious. I don't know. And all the farmers laugh. There is farmer, was it farmersonly.com or something? Yeah,

farmersonly.com, that exists. Is that a dating site? Now I want to look into like, farmer culture, like off the farm yeah well you know if like you're you're looking for a significant other they got to be able to raise chickens that's how you're gonna survive an apocalypse you know so but then but imagine

all of the the low quality non-farmers flooding farmers only and trying to find farmer mates i almost clicked on it yeah i'm one of those weirdos it's like well i live in the city but i'm looking to be a farmer oh no you no. You're not a farmer. It's just farmers only. Is that discrimination? The site for country folks. Discriminating against someone for their career choice? I think that's what every job application does.

That has to be allowed, right? Let's grab some super chats. What do we have? Diane Reynolds says, no candidate is perfect. You need friends in low places sometimes. It only matters if they impact his decisions, and for that, we should judge. Hmm. I mean, yeah, that has happened.

You know, he said that, didn't he say that Chris Christie recommended Ray? Trump did, I mean. Skylar Pearson says, Vivek is threatening to go elon on the federal bureaucracy at least a 75 percent headcount reduction in the first term also wants to staff with libertarians and knows the precise laws that empower him to do it i like this vivek guy yep he seems like a good dude we will grab some more adolfo says vivek also stated he would fire everyone i could imagine him as vp i mean that's a powerful ticket but i just don't know if vivek has the there's like a there's like a like a persona there's like a character there's like a demeanor there's like

it's not just about policy it's not the only thing that matters what matters is leader leadership isn't always just about having the idea and the example i often give is when i was at occupy wall street and this guy gets up on the planner and he goes um should should we march everybody and everyone just shrugs and looks around and then some woman goes my check and they all scream let's effing march and then everyone screams and starts marching that's leadership the idea wasn't good the ability to rally and convince people was what was what was needed important so vivek has something powerful within him but he seems more like a cabinet member like he would be a cabinet member or something not a vp the zanis could be a vp trump could definitely not be a vp he does not have the character or demeanor. You know.

Let's grab some Super Chats. Moose James says, Long time listener, first time Super Chat. I just got out of the theater with my dad. Sound of Freedom was an amazing movie. Depressing and gut-wrenching, but the best movie made in the last 10 years. Really good. Yup. We will grab some more.

What do we have? Hunter Killer says, breaking news, tornado hits Chicago suburbs from Elgin to Rosemont. Damage control underway. Whoa, you want to look that up? That's crazy. Chicago doesn't really get tornadoes too often. Yeah, we had like a couple like alerts when we were kids.

You grew up in Chicago? Just outside the city. Where? Don't dox me. Sorry. Good call. We'll have to talk after. Tim and i originally like when i was really little we lived in the same neighborhood and then until we met yeah same neighborhood as jimmy door too yeah yeah that's right isn't that wild we'll have to talk actually because i was born in chicago and um have family that lives in a suburb outside chicago that's why i'm interested we'll talk i don't think shamus was alive when

jimmy was there though no there's no way because i think i was like six years old when jimmy left yeah but it was really cool when i met uh jimmy door the first time he's like so where you from and i'm like chicago and he goes okay no kidding me too where at and i was like midway area and he goes no kidding me too where at and i was like by mid like midway area south side by vidham park and he was no kidding me too and then i was like i lived on this street because i live on this street and it was like a block away that's crazy wild crazy that like tim has such little loyalty he would accuse someone from the same neighborhood as is him of stealing it's it's crazy outlandish i did thank you ian shame is you're evil no i'm not what percent i'm not you guys know i'm not

are you 13 evil you guys know i'm not evil i'm not i believe you seamus thinks that he can steal spoons and go to confession it doesn't matter you guys don't know true well here's the thing if i actually did steal spoons i'd have to have a firm resolution to never do it again and i yeah in order to confess i couldn't keep one of these spoons but this is a completely theoretical i've never done something like this it's a trident 54 says i have to agree with seamus's version of the spoon event thank you it's common knowledge that the irish have not evolved to the point of using hand tools that's true thank you thank you wait why was it i'm irish too me too why is that team luke i don't

is is everybody in here who's not irish uh who doesn't have irish dna is not irish yeah i'm irish i'm Scottish. Accidentally offensive to all of us. How could you? That really... The Ireland. No, it cleared me. I didn't steal.

From the Ireland. I didn't steal. You guys know me. You guys know the kind of person I am. I wouldn't do that. Are you Irish too, Jamie? No, I'm Jewish.

Uh-oh. But can't Jewish people be Irish? Maybe. Actually. I don't have any blood in you. Any Irish blood in you at all?

No, I'm 98% Ashkenaziazi jew let's see it in the comments i'm already expecting it gosh the other two percent i don't know i forget here we go clifton stock says tim i just left the theater and you've been lying to all of us oh that's right sound of freedom is better than you've been saying go see this movie everyone and pay it forward god's children are not for sale i said it was a 10 out of 10 i don't know how it could be better than you should have said it was at least a 12 out of 10 no to be fair i did say it's like it's not you know an absolute perfect film nothing is but it gets very close in terms of like there are a lot of movies i've watched from where i usually watch a movie every night after the show like i go to i'm going to bed i'll turn a

movie on i can't remember half of the movies that I watched. They're just like, whatever. Yeah. Because they're boring. It's like, you know, I fall asleep half the time. But Sound of Freedom is something I'm not going to forget. It's a good movie. Yeah. Yeah, man. All right.

Nefarious was great, too, right? They've been knocking it. I know it's not the same studio. Well, Nefarious, remember we just watched that recently, too? Oh, yeah, dude. That was so good. Really good. Really good.

Oh, I really want to see that. You should.. Really good. Oh, I really want to see that. You should. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We really want to see that. Matt Kelly says, I think this stream is being suppressed. I didn't see this video on my feed like I do every day. No notification. Nor do I see it in the live tab. Is it because of this? The thumbnail? Oh, actually, yeah, that could be.

Do you seriously think so? Absolutely. I was thinking that. I think that's it. I told you guys not to do it. Seamus was like, don't show that book. He was like, no! Yeah, definitely. Those two words are probably flags for YouTube that knock down viewership. That's crazy.

Yeah. But, you know, I... It's your fault. I guess so. But it'll have no impact on... But kids can read it. Yeah, that's the truth. But this is a children's book.

You can show it in schools. It doesn't matter. Amazon literally will not... It says it's 18 plus, but then they show it to kids in schools. Here's the truth this is a children's show it in schools amazon literally will not it says it's 18 plus but then here's the issue this show can't just survive off the idea that youtube will share it with people clearly this person who's posting the super chat sought out the stream by any means as like to watch it right that's what we need if if people don't want to watch the show on its merits then we don't deserve to have people watch the show like they shouldn't watch it true so that's why I've always been like,

look, YouTube censors us sometimes. Yeah, well, it is what it is. It's good when they give us the bump because people discover it, but really it's about word of mouth for everybody who's like, I'm going to tell people about sound of freedom.

Y'all should be telling people about Viva and Barnes and stick sex and hammer and, and, and Tim cast IRL and insert other show. That's weird. There's one show you didn't mention. There's one show you didn't mention, which is like kind of crazy. Which one? I mentioned there's these, there's just Ian other show. It's weird. There's one show you didn't mention. There's one show you didn't mention, which is like kind of crazy.

Which one? You would mention there's these, there's just Ian Crossland.net. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for bringing that up. Also like, yeah.

Ian Crossland.net. And then if, and then once you're exhausted and you're tired and you have nothing else and you want to just get a chuckle, you know, there's freedom tunes. There's freedom tunes. That's right.

I guess there is freedom. I'm more interested in shamer. Oh, based. Yeah. Rumble.com slash shamer oh based yeah rumble.com slash shamer that's my podcast thank you oh yeah let's grab some more super chats what do we have here matt bowler says tim is beyond illogical by saying it's weird that people who have issues foist upon them go all in with learning about norms and standards especially

coming from someone who dropped out of school i don't quite understand what your point is i'm not i'm not sure how that applies to what i was can you say that one more time because i think it was it's weird that people who have issues foist upon them go all in with learning about norms and standards i don't understand what he's trying to say like i i don't i i understand you're making a reference to the argument i made about people who are adamant about issues that have been thrust upon them that they've never experienced before okay but i don't know what that has to do with me not going to high school you didn't go to high school no really yeah wow what'd you do instead uh i was on the internet all day made websites programmed video games played played music, skateboarded.

I didn't know that about you. Things that were substantially more productive than sitting around in a school wasting your time. Oh, man. Talk about it. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Yeah. I did Flash animation.

Flash 4. Back in the day. Macro media Flash. I started teaching myself to animate on Flash 3. Wow. Yeah. Now, even then, it was very out of date. It was like 10 years old at the time. How old were you when you started animating? I was 12 when I started teaching myself to animate on flash 3 wow yeah yeah that now that was even then it was very out of date it was like 10 years old how old were you when you started animating uh i was 12 when i started teaching myself i used a shockwave to make a skate video once because i don't know i was doing

you know and then um i think before premiere was purchased by adobe what was it oh that's a good question yeah uh flash was macro media right macro media flash and then adobe bought it what was i can't remember what was premiere making skate videos we had digital cameras where it could only take pictures and then we got a mini mini uh what is it a mini dv no no high eight was the first camera we got and then we got like this garbage little lens because you needed a wide angle lens film skate videos so i was basically like learning how to do work in the real world and all of my friends were learning what like interrogative sentences were for the 15th year in a row no joke i'm like what are you guys learning nothing it was crazy i

had a friend who was going to school for music business and i was like you're in your third year of college she's like yeah and i'm like you're you're majoring in music business yeah how many how many shows have you put on how many bands How many, how many shows have you put on? How many bands have you managed? How many demos have you put together? And she's like, none. And I'm like, isn't it weird that I've managed more shows for bands than you and you're in

college for this? It is a weird thing. So I went to, I ended up going to school for animation and there was a class where we were, you know, everyone sort of had to produce a short film and there were kids who had literally never made an animated short film before. It's like, what?

You're in college for animation? You've never like just made an animated short by yourself ever? It's crazy. It's crazy that someone thinks like, this is the thing I want to do and then they don't like dedicate themselves to it and try to get as good at it as possible.

It's a bad, oh, it's a mistake to think that school is going to make you what you want to be. You going to make you what you want to be. You got to make yourself what you want to be. School is an opportunity to do it. You can go there and then make yourself, but you got to do it. Exactly. Exactly.

Tyler Brighton says, as an anarchist libertarian, I will be voting Trump. That one's funny. Beast. But I can understand that because even when we've talked to people like Dave Smith, he's been like, yeah the foreign policy might be something we just want to get it's like we don't like all of it we think a lot of it's bad we think a lot of what like most of what he's doing is bad but it's like if you can inch forward on a couple good things do you just take it my bigger issue is where's the libertarian party candidates what's going on yeah is there one i mean is there even one did they announce one yeah i don't know they

wouldn't announce like right the democratic party hasn't had a primary yet republicans haven't but it feels like it isn't as early as it is it's like right we're still just out the gate agreeing clover says on deployment so can't watch the sound of freedom give my super chat to the fund solid maybe we can set up a fund to pay a forward fund for sound of freedom we should we should figure something out get some people to the movie guardsman norheim of the 10th first says tim's going to come back from surgery to converted devout catholic audience amen shames gonna be like now that tim's not here and then he'll come back they'll be like talk about catholicism a more every episode is gonna be with like a different theological expert

yeah tabernacle the guests are already booked uh the unfortunate thing is i guess you know we've got it we've got to inform the guests like i'm not gonna be here uh you have to talk to me if they're gonna be like yeah i think i can can we get a rain check nothing i can do about it man like quite literally it's like if if i don't go now what ends up happening is then next week it's a day off for a consultation then next week it's like two days off for scans or it's like i can go to a specialist and they're like we can get it all done in one week yeah it's better it's better to just get it over with super brutal i have to like sleep in the hospital are you gonna document it no i don't know about that that'd be pretty cool

i'm trying to convince luke to come out no ew why would you do that here to come hang out when you know we're out there part that's even worse you want to subject yourself to him i thought you were punishing your audience not you you need to heal luke's looking good on social media why would you say that working out why would you say that that's ridiculous for days that's a ridiculous thing to say we are changed that's there's no basis for that there's no basis could have been a deep fake that is that's been widely refuted by every expert on the subject all right salty says desantis's initial reaction to covid was the same as the left he only backed off his covid policy because of his very conservative state assembly they pushed the agenda in florida he has he has just follows what does that look like with a divided Congress? I mean, I think

Ryan gets a lot of credit for what the Florida Republican legislature does, too. So we should give them credit as well. They're the ones that are actually sending the bills to his desk. Let's grab some more super chats. What do we got here? Andrew Wagaman says, the use of deepfakes is a lack of integrity.

If he would own up to it and condemn it, that would show that he has more honesty. And that's kind of the issue, because I don't really expect a lot out of Trump in terms of like integrity and stuff. I can certainly say I think he might fire people because he's angry at them and wants revenge. But the point of Ron is that he's supposed to be better. Instead, it's like what I see with the deep fake thing is him doing what the corporate press has been doing for years in order to win. So they want Biden to win. They want Hillary to win.

They just make things up. Donald Trump posts annoying memes to a lot of people. Some people think those memes are funny. Donald Trump insults people. A lot of people don't like that. A lot of people think it's funny. There are certainly problems with Trump supporters as well. But I don't like the idea of producing deepfakes with the direct intention of manipulating the public with things that never happened but they

did figuratively yeah so to make a video that says real life trump and intersperse manufactured images with real images in order to trick i'm just messing with you now but it is funny that it's like ronda santos is hoping to trick trump supporters or conservatives into voting for him by making fake images about what he doesn't need to trick him that's the thing that's exactly like he could have just been like he didn't even need that one second i don't even know why he did it but guys you do understand that ron desantis himself did not make the ad like you you talk about ron desantis you can talk about the campaign maybe but like saying ron you're you're anti-ron desantis the person the politician the candidate because of something that you know an ad team okay i mean but still like

i just i was really just poking fun again but that's you know i mean that's kind of the issue it's like ron should have just come out right away he got fact checked for it he got slammed across the board for it should have been like hey look it wasn't me how do you know they that that no but do you know every single person employed by the campaign i don't know maybe ron de santa should have publicly announced it was a mistake and that he was firing the person responsible instead he's just like shh don't tell anyone let's just let it go away it's like smarmy pr stuff not a fan i think it's i think that i think it's a problem all right we will grab some more super chats let's see what we got here

marty mcfly says is jamie's point that de santis's deep fake photo is akin to a political cartoon come to life why can't a political political cartoon and now have realism love the show one of the arguments that was put forward by de santis reporters was that trump had republicans had made a deep fake of of a future under Joe Biden. And it was a bunch of deepfake images of the apocalypse having happened. And it's just like, okay. And then DeSantis supporters brought up

the Photoshop of Ron riding a rhinoceros, which is very obviously not real. There's a big difference between a hypothetical artistic future, a meme, and an image that says real-life Trump on it and has fake pictures. To be fair, the image didn't even look real. It was like clearly artistic, like an artistic rendition of-

The three images they posted alongside the three real images? I only know the- I haven't seen the ad in- How long ago was that? Again, no sense of time. It was end of June. Or beginning of June, I think. No, it was before then. Six weeks ago? June 5th?

Yeah, something like that. Five weeks ago? I think it was before then six weeks ago june 5th yeah something like three five weeks ago i think i'd have to watch it again the only one that is sticking out in my mind is that i know that really ruffled feathers was you know him hugging fauci there's three fake photos of him hugging fauci okay so they're all hugging fauci right and there's three real photos of him like standing next to fauci okay and then they wrote real life Trump over it. Okay. Yeah, that's like... No, but I already forgot my point that I was trying to make.

Sorry. It looks like it was in response to the June 2nd image of Ron riding a rhino, which you should see if you haven't seen it because he's smiling.

Oh, no, but what's the difference? Okay, so they were artistic renditions. Like, they looked like they were AI. They wrote real life Trump over it

and put it next to real photos. But they looked like they were AI generated. Like, they did not even look... They didn't't they looked real if you didn't examine them oh you saw them yeah no i i the one that's like you could bring it back up but like the one that i have in my head that i can remember clearly looks like almost like a painting like it's not it doesn't look like a photo like if i were to just snap a picture right now of you the average person didn't stop the video and then inspect the small 64 by 64 pixel image to determine whether it was real or not i still think that's why it was a it

was a week afterwards people figured out he did it and then people were like whoa wait what we didn't catch that so it's a combination of it's like you can make the argument that he made a fake photo and said this is what trump does and then say i was making a gag it's another thing to put three of them next to three real photos and then tag it real life trump and then say I was making a gag. It's another thing to put three of them next to three real photos and then tag it real life Trump and then put quoted text over it so it's like harder to see. But what's the difference between that and like making a meme,

like photoshopping something of somebody with somebody? Like let's say, you know, a Photoshop picture of a candidate with like Trump and Hillary. I mean, you don't have to Photoshop that because that's a real thing. People shouldn't make fake things to trick other people to gain political power

okay we spent way too much time on this point i enjoyed it personally kpt m uh captain marvel says question for shamus isn't a visual portrayal of christ a violation of the first and second commandment no no absolutely not i mean he said he's the the visible face of the invisible father that would not be a violation of the commandments also the um so basically he's referring to first and second commandments the way like protestants and catholics number the ten commandments is a bit different so we we we consider like graven images or idolatry to be lumped in with the first commandment on not taking other gods before him and it doesn't prohibit you from having images of things and especially not an image of god i don't understand how that would even track all right everybody if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share this show with your friends

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We'll see if he'll do it. We'll hang out, bro. We'll definitely go to see the movie. When are you going to go see it? We can figure it out. I'll see if I'm available, but I'd totally be down. Well, now that I know that he's coming tomorrow, I would like to maybe see it tomorrow, but I don't know if that'll happen. I got a busy day tomorrow.

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