Timcast IRL - Timcast IRL #817 Biden Activates Military Reserve To Deploy To Europe Over Ukraine War w/Tim Ballard

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

Tim, Ian, Seamus, & Serge join Tim Ballard of Sound Of Freedom to discuss Biden activating reserve troops to deploy to Europe and a deep dive into the tragic events that inspired Sound Of Freedom. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

we got major breaking news Joe Biden has called up U.S military reserves the selective reserves and the ready reserves is a big deal for deployment to Europe over the war in Ukraine we don't exactly know what that means other than uh people are quite worried that two different uh Reserve groups are being called up for deployment into Europe I don't know if this means we should be prepared for war, but certainly it's a very big deal. So we'll definitely be talking about that. We've got some other big news that may or may not come up. Twitter is now paying people. Yeah, I abruptly got a notification saying they are paying me six grand and I'm not that

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I got it. You nailed it. I was like in my head trying to make sure I could get it. Very few get this. Eduardo Verastegui. Very good, man. You better than me. Tim.

Yes, sir. I think everybody knows who you are. Do you want to introduce yourself? Yeah. Thanks so much for having us on the show. So I'm the, I guess, the subject of Sound of Freedom. I spent 12 years as a special agent undercover operator for the U.S. government. Ten of those years on the border, you see that there's an important scene in Sound of Freedom where a little kid is rescued at the border.

True story. But it kind of kicks off the rest of the narrative, right? And then, you know, in 2012, 2013, I started discovering something. Well, let me go back to 2006. In 2006, the laws changed in the United States with the passage of something called the Adam Walsh Child Protect Act. What it did was it allowed U.S. agents for the first time to go overseas. And we could, if we found Americans engaging in sex with kids, we could hold them accountable as if they'd committed that sex crime in the U.S. So that kind of opened up like international operations. And about that time I went to undercover school and they sent me in. I'd play the role of a pedophile, a purveyor of child sex, trafficker, whatever.

And we'd go in. But what happened though, the U.S. government didn't mean to do this, but they kind of tortured me because, you know, here's the problem. Child trafficking knows no borders and boundaries, but bureaucracies do. And so if I'm down there and I find a kid, I don't care what nationality, I don't care what anything. It's a kid. A kid's a kid. But the laws in the U.S. needed me to find the American.

Wow. And so I'd be like, guys, let me finish the case and then we'll find the Americans later. Nope. That's too creative for a bureaucracy. Come home. Several times this happened. It's breaking my heart. And in 2013, I was actually working two cases, one in Haiti.

Crazy story. This little boy named Garty Marty, U.S. citizen of Haitian descent, two years old. The family moves him back to Haiti. He is kidnapped out of the church where his father's the pastor oh my god kidnapped trafficked i learned about this story i meet the father i'm thinking this is a u.s citizen i can i can go find this kid he was born in utah and i had been transferred to utah recently at that point um so i'm working this case i'm told come home you this is a haitian crime but i promised the father wow I promised the father I would never

stop. At the same time, I'm down in Columbia, and this is the part you see in the Sound of Freedom, consulting, and I was given permission. If you listen to the film, it's accurate. I was given permission to consult. And as you see in the film, I went beyond that. And then, so then they said, hey, where's the American? Where's the leads? I said leads i said i feel it it's here come home so that was two in 2013 and i called my wife and i was like what do i do like my heart is breaking like these kids will be rescued these kids will be rescued but if i leave i mean i'm the bait you know i'm the i'm the i'm the point on this case and um and and, you see in the movie, right? Is this okay?

I'm just going? Yes. Absolutely. This is why you're here. I just keep, but in the movie, Mira Servino, who plays my wife, Academy Award winning, amazing actress. And it's one of my favorite lines in the film

because it's so powerful. It's much more powerful in real life. But she says says just quit your job and rescue those kids right and i'm like yeah i'm gonna do it but that's not what really happened okay the eduardo and the team didn't want me to show the the true cowardice that i actually manifested at this time in in in late 2013 because it was my idea. I said, well, Catherine, if I, if I, if I come home, you know, uh, it's over, but I keep my job. I have to quit my job to do this. I talked to, I mean, I was, I was calling the DHS like ethics office. Can I do both? Like, no, you can't do both. You can't

moonlight. You got to quit, you know, or, or do the case. Um, and she said, and so her line was supposed to be, well well get your butt home because we got six kids and and yet we have no money like we you know we have a couple thousand you know stocked away you know um stocked away in the bank or something and and and she didn't say that she didn't say that she said could you save the kids if you stayed there i said yes yes it's like why it was almost like embarrassing like why are you even asking me this question wow she said we have a meeting with our maker we will be dead in 50 years anyway she and she said i don't care if we live in a tent these

are exactly her words i don't care if we're in a tent because we lose our house you have to do this you have to try and i fought back like a coward, like, are you kidding me? What about my own kids? I got to take care of my own six kids. Like, they'll be fine. She finally got to the point where she just gave it to me in one line that didn't make it in the movie, because again, it would have manifested my cowardice. But one line that, this is verbatim, it ended the debate. It shook me to my core, because she's usually very sweet. And she said, and this is verbatim it ended the debate it shook me to my core because she's usually very sweet and she said and this is a quote i will not let you jeopardize my salvation by not doing this and i remember my whole body's kind of shook i was just like

oh my gosh oh my gosh like that is an incredible woman yeah there is so much we were already talking before the show and there's going to be more spoilers so um somewhat conveniently we'll talk a little bit about what's going on with europe which will give us a little buffer zone so i can warn everybody and say there's going to be spoilers uh we're not going to go crazy with it but i think we definitely need to talk about some of the elements of the film because it was it was so good stories like that the feeling that i got watching this was i could not believe it i could i thought it was just good writing and then you tell me actually those were true so thank you for for joining us we also have eduardo here do you want to introduce yourself as well yes i am eduardo

verastegui very grateful to be here with all of you thank you so much for supporting sound of freedom thank you so much for this interview and uh i'm the producer of the film eight years of work eight years of work since i met tim battered i met him in los angeles california eight years of work for two hours of your time which is what the movie last and i hope this film keep touching millions of hearts five million people already can you believe it unbelievable five million people show up in the last 10 days 54 million dollars about so far and uh we're hearing more and more theaters are starting to get packed word of mouth is spreading this is the the stories that the story you just told the stories in the film this feels like more than a movie this is something more powerful i mean i will not let you what did you say

jeopardize my salvation by not doing this. This is good for you. Seriously. Thank you guys for coming. We're going to we're going to be I would say for the most part we're going to be talking all about this

but for the time being we got Seamus hanging out. I'm a cartoonist and animator. I don't do anything that impressive. I write jokes and do comedy.

I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes and I am really excited to be joined by both of you. This film was incredible. I've a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes and I am really excited to be joined by both of you. This film was incredible. I've been recommending it to my audience and to Tim's audience

nonstop. What you've built is incredible and Tim, the work you've done is unbelievably inspiring. Thank you so much. It is, man. And that same conversation,

for whatever reason, that was when I broke down the first time in that movie when she said, do it, like go go you know i mean i it's a it's a moment let's keep moving this along baby thank you for coming we're gonna do like a 10 minute buffer before we get in all the spoilers okay let's go serge

dupree yes uh i am serge.com i'm excited to hear you guys uh just tell us kind of more about the story in general and uh yeah let's just get into it. We're going to take a quick 10 minute little buffer to give you guys some breaking news. This is from the Post Millennial. Biden calls up U.S. military reserve units to deploy to active duty in Europe in Operation Atlantic Resolve. Atlantic Resolve is the official name of the unofficial operation supporting the war in Ukraine. That is to say reserve military. Actually, let me just pull up the executive order we have right here from the from the White House. supporting the war in Ukraine. That is to say, reserve military, actually, let me just pull up the executive order we have right here

from the WhiteHouse.gov. Selected reserve and the individual ready reserve of the armed forces are being called to active duty to be deployed into Europe. The official WhiteHouse.gov statement is by the authority vested in me

as president, etc., etc., and he lists everything I hear about determined as necessary to augment the active armed force of the U.S. for the effective conduct of Operation Atlantic Resolve in and around the United States European commands area of responsibility. Now, I'm not a military guy. I don't know exactly what this means. But it certainly sounds like we are inching closer to a major conflict related to Russia, potentially a World War III scenario scenario i don't know what else to say other than what do you guys think about it uh do you guys have any knowledge experience what do you guys think yeah i'm i'm certainly frightened by the

news i'm probably not the person here who has the most expertise on military and foreign policy but i think there's real reason to be concerned. Let's pray for this country and hope that we don't get dragged into a third world war, that this doesn't escalate into something that it doesn't need to be. It's like, I believe that there is God. It's like a real structure, something that's happening that's vibrating

and causing things to form like they're happening, like chymatics, cymatics. You see where sound can cause matter to change shape and that maybe we're here to talk about this movie because this war stuff is out of our hands. We can only explain it. Yeah. It's a crazy time. Yeah, I'll tell you this.

I've been in Ukraine several times last year. And so my perspective is a little different where I actually like what Trump said about I want people to stop dying. Like let's de-escalate not not escalate uh i spent time out there uh crazy story again my wife again uh february 23rd i think it was last year russia invades ukraine my wife comes up to me in tears oh my gosh you got to go to ukraine and get those kids out like what kids well we adopt children out of ukraine as part of one of the foundations that she runs called children need families we had seven kids on the way out and she's like go get them i'm like i'll call the team she's like no you have to go i'm like katherine like the bombs

are dropping like she's like i know she's crying and she's saying it because she's very deliberate so when she's irrational it's god i know that's god when she's saying and i kid you not create and he can verify the story three hours later after after Catherine's telling me this, I get a phone call from Mel Gibson. And Mel Gibson says, hey, I got these kids in Ukraine, these orphans who are, I think they're in the war zone. Can you go get them out? And I'm like, what? Do science right there. I've always been brought up with the notion that if your wife and Mel Gibson both tell you to do something, you know, you probably better listen.

You better listen. Anyway, we went out there, worked with a group called Aerial Recovery. I'm on their board. Amazing group. 6,000 women and children got out. So the suffering that we saw, and by the way, I won't get into this except we found a pedophile group that was trafficking children out of Ukraine into Mexico, into Ecuador. Crazy case.

Tony Robbins produced produces docuseries about it he's going to be a producer as well but that's a different story but my point is stop de-escalating this thing the pain that we're seeing the suffering that we're seeing on the ground the part that no one remembers traffickers call this harvest time a war a hurricane an earthquake in the aftermath harvest time how is it a 150150 billion business, human trafficking? How do you get that many kids into that black market? Harvest time. Wars.

Hurricanes. And it's happening, and that's the least reported thing. Kids losing their parents. Kids losing their parents. Displaced. Displaced. A nice van pulls up. Hey, sweetie, get in the car.

We'll take care of you. Next thing, they wake up in the Caribbean. Like in Haiti. I mean, tell the story when you went to save this little kid., get in the car. We'll take care of you. Next thing, they wake up in the Caribbean. Like in Haiti. I mean, tell the story when you went to save this little kid, what happened in the orphanage. I mean, that's crazy, man, how, you know, volunteers from all over the world going to Haiti to, you know, find children that they love their parents because in one night,

thousands of children lost their parents, right? Yep. Wow. These traffickers just write orphanage on the wall. It's, whether you think literally or figuratively, demonic.

Oh, yeah. It is crazy to hear you're telling the story. Here we are, you know, we're going to talk about the film and your background. We're talking about the war

and here you are telling the story where your wife and Mel Gibson both call you and say, go save these kids. You know, part of me is like, I'm thinking there's a lot of people who wish they would have some kind of the purpose being laid right before them. You have a job. And I have to wonder,

because I would imagine it's kind of scary, but it's also a situation where you can't say no. Exactly. Both, Both of those. You know, people, I'm just as scared as anyone else going into Ukraine or going into these places. I'll say this, though. God is real and he loves children because every time, once we're on the ground and looking and there, it goes away. I don't know. I can't explain it.

It goes away. And I'm clear-minded. I'm not worried. I'm not afraid to die in that moment. Then afterwards, I just told you, I can't watch it it goes away and i'm clear-minded i'm not i'm not worried i'm not i'm not i'm not afraid to die in that moment then afterwards i come i just told you i can't watch out of freedom i i have i i have a i have it triggers me you know it's it i i'm scared to get after you know it's like god will bless you in the moment you're doing what he wants you to do but then then you got to deal like you got to deal with it before and after so what made you decide in the beginning to get involved rescuing kids?

Well, I, I, I was, my first job was the CIA. I was there through nine 11. And when I learned about Muhammad Atta, who was a terrorist across over the border, uh, Mexico into the U S and then launched his attack. I want to be on that border. So I, I trained anti-traffic anti-terrorism stuff. I have a graduate degree and a certificate in anti-terrorism. So I got put on that border. So I trained anti-terrorism stuff. I have a graduate degree and a certificate in anti-terrorism. So I got put on that border. That's where I wanted to be. I speak Spanish. Six months later, they asked me to be in the group.

Child crimes. I said, no. I said, there's no way I'm going to go in that group. And my wife agreed with me. And then the next morning before I said no, she didn't sleep all night. She was crying. And she said, we have to say yes. Oh, my gosh.

How can we be so fearful of our own pain that we would disregard severe pain beyond our comprehension of these children? So, geez, this is all about my wife today. She's an amazing woman. This woman's dragging you to heaven, man. And I'm kicking and screaming man and I'm going kicking and screaming hopefully I'm going if if you know I don't know maybe it maybe it's inappropriate to say but if ever there was someone with some kind of divine

purpose this is the story that you've told already I'm like man how many people just wish they knew they had that mission whether they whether they were fearful of it or not like i said it's probably scary but you tell these stories and and so much of it sounds unreal the line from your wife the story from the we'll get in the film story in a minute but man it really does feel like you have a purpose here that you are fulfilling i i have to think i think so yeah i feel that i feel that yeah i mean you're um you're a humble man and you're saying these things about the fact that you were afraid and and your wife encouraged you and surely she did but there are many men whose wives would say

save those children who'd go we're not talking about this honey i absolutely not yeah that's like i said her script was supposed to read get your ass home because I got too many kids here what would be like in the future what would be your ideal outcome for you I whatever I'm gonna do I it'll be attached

always to this to this cause because once you see it's like you can't unring a bell right once you see it and I'm hoping people are having this experience with sound of freedom now because once you see it's like you can't unring a bell right once you see it and I'm hoping people are having this experience with sound of freedom now because once you see it you cannot unsee it and when the to the depths I've gone it would be like I could never walk away from from this work you know in some capacity my undercover days are shot for sure that's you know thanks to this guy he ruined my undercover career but maybe maybe we'll inspire

many more people that's what we hope yeah that's what we tenfold that's hundredfold that's right not to matter i mean outside of that uh we we talk about uh the great work you've done the film was masterfully done i thought it was one of the best films i've seen in a very very long time just in terms of the production the the pacing the story everything i think you guys nailed it it's it's you know if you take a great story and you do it wrong, the story doesn't make it. You make a great film, you hit it out of the park. Now that story, that mission makes it somewhere.

I think people often underestimate the importance of filmmaking and making sure people feel that emotion in that story. You know, I think for me as a producer, the number one thing that you need to have is the story. The story is like the soul of the movie. Without a good story, you have nothing, right? So when I met Tim Ballard eight years ago in Los Angeles, California,

I was with Alejandro Monteverde, my business partner. He's the director of the film and he's the writer of the film as well, along with Rod Barr. And when we met him and he told us what he does around the world, him and his friends, his team, they travel around the world undercover rescuing children that are kidnapped for sexual exploitation, kids that are being abused 10 to 15 times a day for many years. And then after that, sometimes they don't want them anymore because they're not fresh meat anymore. That's the vocabulary that they use, right? So they go to the second business, which is organs traffic.

They open them and they sell their organs. So when you heard things like this, man, you cannot look the other way around anymore. You have to do something. And I remember yesterday when Tim Ballard looked at me and he said, Eduardo, Alejandro, I know it's very sad what I'm telling you. I know that it's very sad what I'm telling you about these children, the pain that they're going through. But it's more sad now that you know it if you do nothing. What are you going to do? And I knew at that time, and Alejandro as well, that we had to do something. Well, we're filmmakers.

We have a weapon of mass instruction and inspiration, right? Well, let's make a movie because movies move people and media influence how people think. But let me ask you a few questions first. This is a global problem, right? Yes, especially US and Mexico. US is the number one consumer of child sex. Mexico, number one provider. Okay, okay, Tim, you live in the most powerful country in the world. You have the technology, the intelligence, the money, the army, the police, everything. How come we don't finish this problem in the United States? And he said, because it's not a priority.

It's not a priority. We are not the solution, Eduardo. I can be the solution for one child, for 1,000, for 3,000. We're talking about millions of children around the world that are kidnapped for sexual exploitation. We need a movement. And that's when I realized, hold on a second,

hold on a second, you know, a movie has the potential to start a movement. So let's make a movie. Tell us what's the most difficult rescue mission you've ever done in your life, the most dangerous, the most successful one. He said Cartagena, Colombia, the first one. Tell me the story.

And he tells the story. And then we asked him, what happened when the kids were rescued? Oh, man, they were crying. There was tears in their eyes. They were celebrating their freedom by singing. It was like this sound of freedom. That's the title, and that's the story. Then Alejandro, right after, he started writing the script for three years,

three years of Alejandro's life. And you know what happened to him right before he started writing the script, man? His father and his older brother got kidnapped in Mexico. Wow. And they killed him. Alejandro Monteverde wrote Sound of Freedom

with so much pain, man. He put his soul, his blood, his suffering in that movie. And I know when people see this movie, Sound of Freedom, they feel the pain of the kids they feel the sacrifice of tim ballard they feel the pain of the writer alejandro monteverde and we are honoring his father and his son with this film too as well who are in heaven along with my

father who passed away passed away last year i want to jump to this right here from box office mojo sound of freedom though it's been attacked relentlessly by many in the media, it has cracked $50 million with a current domestic box office of $53,922,551. A massive success. Through word of mouth, more and more people are starting to see this film. It looks like the amount of gross revenue being generated is increasing, whereas most films have their big blockbuster weekend it goes down this is the inverse i think this film really is

potentially a starting a movement more and more people are are getting active focusing on the issue more people care about the issue there are creepy people in the media that are smearing it as q anon and other weird things but get get this, even with that, on Rotten Tomatoes, the tomato meter, which is the official corporate press reviewers, give it a 75%. That surprised me. The audience gives it a 100% with over 10,000 verified ratings. I got to say, we have been praising this film.

I think not only was it masterfully done, it is an entertaining film. It captures you. It makes you feel. At the same time, that feeling matters. I watch movies every day. I watch a different movie every day. I've gone to the theaters. Yeah, I might get a tear in the eye or something for a good scene.

I might get excited for a good scene, but none of it matters. You know, I know that Captain America fighting somebody is just fun. But when I watch a film that's based on a true story, and I see a scene in that film that I couldn't believe was real, and I'm tearing up. I was, let me put it this way, because we're going to start getting into spoilers now. There is a part of the film, so a warning to all of you who still want to go see the movie and don't want to hear spoilers. We're telling you right now.

But for everyone else who did, we're going to start getting into some of the finer details so we can better understand this. Because I want to talk about one of the most powerful things I've made reference to a week or so ago. It is when you rescue this kid on the border. So, again, spoilers. Here we go. You are talking to this child. You tell the child your name. And the kid looks up at you. And he says, Timoteo.

He has a necklace that was given to him by his sister. With St. Timothy. I believe is the. What was it? First Timothy? First Timothy 611. Scripture reference. Yeah.

And when I saw that. First of all, my name's Tim. So I was just like, whoa! Like, that's crazy for me to hear. And your name's Tim, too, I know. But, like, I'm watching this movie. This kid is being rescued from this evil, evil man and this organization. You say, this is my name. And then he pauses.

And it seems to be some kind of, like, divine intervention when he says, look what I have. As if you were sent specifically to save him. I was on the verge of tears when I saw that happen. I said, I'm like, yeah, but I wish that really happened. And then you told me it did. It happened. And I told Alejandro, I said, because I have the necklace. I mean, I have it.

It's priceless to me. I have it in a vault, and I took it out out for my podcast and things I should have brought it here but um I said don't put this in because no one's going to believe it then it's going to come off weird and what are the chances and and um and people still don't think it's real but they still like it so he was right but it's great to be able to say it actually happened and it was a strange moment where um um he he you know and it's very accurate it didn't happen in the garage like you see uh in the film it happened in a different room uh in the aftercare center but he runs to me and he hugs me and the part that didn't they didn't

pick up in the film was we were sobbing i'm shaking and he's shaking and that's before i got the necklace that's before he just starts grabbing me and he says to me um and i think this was the kind of transformational moment for me because i didn't know if i was going to stay in this work um especially after this this was the first kid i ever saw by the way who was in a video. Before that time, I'd only done videos, like end user, you know, possession cases of child exploitation material. This was the first time when I saw this kid, I knew him. I recognized him. I had seen him being raped, full, like 30 minute video. And his captor was the guy in the video. So I'm already unheightened like oh my gosh it's a real kid this is you know i never i've never seen it and and so we're i'm coloring with him okay prager you you know prager

you oh yeah today today prager you launched a series called light in the darkness where they have me telling some of these stories this story's told and and it's dramatized in a really cool way and it's more accurate this and we're sitting there and we're coloring. I'm trying to get him to talk because where's your sister? Where are the other kids? Like he's five years old, right? And up until that point, we've just been kind of friendly. We got close.

He started trusting me. And it was like just like this, like something just turned on in him. And he just ran over to me and jumped into my arms like almost like again it was like an angel said go or something like he was he didn't ease into it we're just coloring and then boom he gets up and runs to me and he jumps into my arms and he starts shaking crying and i'm crying like i just lose it you know i've got kids his age you know you start picturing your own kids you superimpose your kids faces faces in the moment, right? And he says these words to me.

And it just, I knew at that time that the stats were millions of kids. So I heard him say this. It's like I heard echoed millions of kids saying this. And it's a simple phrase, but a five-year-old should never have to say it. And he just said, I don't belong here. Can you imagine a five-year-old kid saying, I don't belong here? No five-year-old kid would even think to say that.

And he knew he belonged with his family and that's when he pulled the necklace. And he said, my sister gave me this. And I didn't take it. I was just like, oh, no, no, no, you keep it. He gave me a little card. Do you see the card in the movie? He gave me the card too. And I took it home and i was so broken up i went home and and prager you gets into this in their in the series as well they just launched it today um

and i i go home and i fall down i fall down on the i live 10 12 minutes from the border like you know it's all it's a small town and i fall down and the dichotomy of the whole i walk into my house my kids are happy and they're playing and they're 10 minutes away from this kid who has spent the first five years of his life being sexually assaulted and videotaped you know and my kids are happy and only 10 minutes away and i couldn't deal with it it was like the underbelly of my own town like and that's everybody's town and it was so hard for me remember this is the first kid that I've seen and I collapsed on the floor and Catherine thought I was like having a heart attack because I I never had this happen I was exhausted too it was 48 hours or longer I hadn't slept because the case

was so intense and she didn't know details but she kind of cradled me, like kind of held me, you know? And she was like, what is going on? And I tried to like get it out, and that's when I made the decision. I said, Catherine, I'm either in 1,000% or I'm 1,000% out. Like I have to make a decision right now, because this is too much.

Then my other kid, who's about the same age as this little boy, who plays, Miguel's not his real name, but in the film, my kid who's about the same age as this little boy who plays miguel's not his real name but in the film my kid who's his age takes the necklace he's like what's this my kid's jimmy and he says what's this and uh and i said oh this kid gave it to me i can't tell jimmy all what's going on you know this kid i just helped he's like oh cool he's looking at it we call him curious jim he's a very curious kid he's very touchy looks and everything he's like oh the kid put your name on it wow i didn't see it before um it says man of god on one side on the other side it says first timothy 611 with with that scripture

and he's like how did how do you put your name on it dad i'm like oh he didn't no no he did it and then he shows it to me and there's like boom my there's my decision that's it's a thousand percent in i know that for the sake of filmmaking you guys had to do it the way you did and it was masterfully done but that story i'm sorry is just told naturally is a bet it's better here you are not realizing what you've been given you go home and you're saying we make this decision and then your kid's like he gave you your name tag yeah oh i don't i just want to say as i'm hearing all this uh i i don't follow any particular religion i do believe in god and and atheists or whatever can call me naive they can scoff but i don't know how you hear a story

like this how you watch a film like this how you hear about the work that you've done how you see a movement like this and believe that there's not something out there, something more powerful. This I can only describe as, and I'm not, maybe it's not for me to say, but divine intervention. I can say it, brother. I mean, all glory to God. I'm holding the American dream right now as a Mexican filmmaker, eight years of work, so many obstacles, so many people saying you can't do this. This is too dangerous. Team telling me, brother, before you guys commit to do this, I need to tell you something. We have a lot of friends, but we have a lot of enemies too. And those enemies will be yours. Are you sure you want to do this? And I closed my eyes for a second.

I said, what if this is my son? What if this is my daughter? What if this is my niece, my nephew? What would I do? You know, it was like, it was just imagine that. I will stop everything that I'm doing. I will hope that the entire world will stop everything they're doing so they can help me to find my son, my daughter, my niece, my nephew, right?

Okay, so that's my motivation. Don't wait until this tragedy happens to you for you to wake up, right? Wake up now. Do something. And I can't believe that, you know, Angel Studios is the smallest disorienting company in America, right? So after three years of everyone passing, like, no, this is not for us. No, this movie is not a business for us.

This is not a good business for us. This is not for us. So three years of like doors being closed and closed and closed and closed. And you have two options. Either you give up or you don't give up. We choose the second one. We don't give up. Why?

Because it's about saving children. What if this is your son? What happened after? I'm praying for God to send an angel to rescue this film. And I got a phone call from Angel Studios. Hey, we're very interested in your movie. Do you have any other options? No, you're my only option.

Okay, well, let's close the deal. Five days later, we signed a contract. And okay, this is three and a half months ago, right? Three and a half months ago. And then, okay, when are we coming out? July 4th. What? Brother, we don't have money for publicity or marketing.

The biggest films in the world are going to come out July 4th, week before and week after. Mission Impossible. Indiana Jones competing with the biggest company in the world. They have hundreds of millions of dollars. Are you kidding? Eduardo, it's very importantuly 4th because it's independence day freedom we need to shake the conscience of america because yes let's celebrate let's

celebrate freedom in one hand but let's do something else so we can bring freedom back to those children that are not free brother let's do something we never thought that july 4th son of freedom was number one movie in America. This is a miracle. All glory to God. People like to make jokes that we live in a simulation and it's because reality seems to be too absurd. We've had so many weird goings on in

politics of President Donald Trump and so you'll see many of these individuals who are secular atheists tweet things like I hope the writers of this season do X, Y, or Z as if to imply there is someone with greater power over us that they're starting to believe. Yet I always find it funny that they could entertain such an idea without realizing, like, you're literally talking about divine purpose or God. I bring that up because seeing the movie, hearing the stories, it feels like I mentioned the Timoteo necklace thing.

I'm like, that was masterful writing. I wish it was real. Well, it was real. And then you start to realize that some things in life are so miraculous that you would assume it was written to be a story that it never could really happen. But these things do happen. When that kid when you when you told the story of the of the little kid saying i don't belong here no five year old should say that my thought was why would a five-year-old say that unless what was happening

was so out of alignment with the the law of nature whatever you want to call it with with the with god's plan or whatever that there was direct intervention to correct this evil and set it right absolutely and little did i know you know like when you get into the columbia scene and i remember being in columbia and i'm meeting these guys and this is after i've left the government and it's our one of our first big operations and i remember thinking man like no one believes me. Like, I go home and tell my family and friends. I have a very small audience at this time, right? This isn't real. Like, 11-year-old kids, people want to have sex with 11-year-olds.

Come on. And I remember thinking, I was going through a whole island scene, and you see the whole Columbia scene. Most of the movie is filmed on location, by the way, where these things happened, including the van scene with the kid at the port of entry they filmed it homeland security gave us permission to film right in the very place where it happened that's that's why i can't watch the film it's too much for me but i remember thinking i wish i had i wish i had cameras in my eyes i remember having

that thought and that millions of people could watch what i'm seeing because they don't believe it and so who would have thought like i I said, another miracle, that eight, nine years later, literally millions of people would see it through my eyes because of this guy. Thanks be to God, man. And to you for your sacrifice, Tim. And because meeting a hero, a true hero, it changed your life. No, but here's the thing is I'm not that because I love history.

Okay? We had slavery in this country at a time horrific nothing worse the transatlantic slave trade how did it end uh you know we can rescue one a hundred thousand whatever just like harriet tubman who's my hero of all time but who ended it and it wasn't even lincoln when lincoln met harriet beecher stowe who wrote uncle tom's cabin for the first time in the middle of the civil war he said to her so you're the little lady that wrote the big book that started this war. Wow. What he was saying was, because at that point in 1862, he had changed the purpose of the

Civil War to just bring in the Union back to, no, we're going to use this to liberate the captive. And it was Harry Beecher Stowe, Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, all the great abolitionists. They changed it. They converted him to the true cause. And so I'm so tired of you calling me like a hero or whatever because like what's going to end this thing is you and you and you. Like the storytellers are going to end this.

I can't do it. The storytellers change culture. I mean, look storytellers change culture and this, I mean, look at the screen. It's $53 million in 10 days. 5 million people in 10 days.

Like, this could change history. Yeah. And this could change it. More films, more movies, more culture building, more change.

You know, this is, this is beyond just this one story. One of the reasons I'm so adamant about telling people to go see this is this is beyond just this one story one of the reasons i'm so adamant about telling people to go see this is that hollywood is some dark dark stuff man we we've seen these actors come out and talk about what happened to them in hollywood there have been some recent stories of uh celebrities when they were kids how they were abused and exploited

that's an evil place and not everybody there i. I know, I've, I know people who work there, but there's gotta be a way that we can build something else. And this is a path towards that as well. I wanted to, I wanted to add though, uh, I'll say a couple of things in the beginning of the film, uh, Jim Caviezel and you obviously in real life had to watch these videos. I don't know how you do it. I, I, I there, that scene where the other agent says, I don't know how you do it i i i that scene where the other agent says i don't think i can do this i'm thinking to myself how is a job like this possible because spoilers i know i warned you in the film i don't know how true to life the the direct lines or whatever but uh your character you know you you go to this pedophile and you say that in watching these

films you can't help but be attracted to it and i'm i'm watching this thinking like the the i i don't see that as being a physical possible mental possibility for me i imagine that if if if i was in a circumstance i'd quit on the spot the moment anyone tried to bring anything up i'd punch the monitor and i gotta be completely honest watching this film I'm in the middle of it and I'm thinking am I wrong about the death penalty that that's how seriously I was moved by this I'm very anti-death penalty but seeing this message made me really just start to think about what the founding fathers meant how they went through this what does it what does it really mean and it really challenged my my moral views on how how we deal with crimes like this the the that that's that's that's how i'll phrase it and and ultimately i would say

i'm still very much opposed to death penalty but when you watch this it challenged you it challenged me like it challenged these these people and the crimes they have committed against children is the most heinous thing in my mind imaginable. You talk about passion murders and things like that, and those are at the top. Murder being one of the worst possible things you can do. But when it comes to a lot of these crimes of passion and planning, there is some underlying purpose about greed. There's some, you know, sin, one of the seven deadly sins associated with it, and that's why it's near the top. But this abuse of children, I think the worst crime imaginable. And my view is if murder of an individual warrants the death penalty why

would not this the most heinous of all crimes imaginable and uh that's that's a that's a deep challenge for me ultimately where i land the death penalty is i just don't trust the government enough to accurately deal out justice minimum hundred hundred years of jail minimum yes for anybody but that's who steal the innocence and the purity of a child locked up forever the fact that there is minimum minimum there are people who have abused children who have been convicted of abusing children in a court of law and have served their sentences and now they're just out in public how can you serve a sentence for that crime doing the same thing exactly that's one of the highest recidivism rates that's true with sex crimes generally speaking and they just let these people back

out into the streets would you like someone like that to be your neighbor if you have a child yeah well this is so this this happened too i've talked about this before brian peck he was convicted of abusing a child and then after he was released from prison what the court said is he was not allowed to work with children he previously worked at disney channel the disney channel hired him back but to speak to them over the phone and consult over the phone so he wouldn't be around children why why is this man out of prison why does this man have a job why would these networks want to continue working with him it's sickening so what i want to ask and i actually do think it would be i'd like to bring ian into this one uh i don't even know how to ask it but you mentioned that before you rescued this kid,

you have to watch these videos. Yeah. How could you possibly? So I'll tell you, I have a million holes burned in my brain. That's how I describe it. And yes, one of the hardest scenes for me to watch

is in fact the scene where Jim's crying. I can't tell you how real that is. I don't know, a couple thousand hours maybe over 10 years having to watch these videos. And these aren't, you know, I remember talking to a friend once and they're like, oh, come on. I mean, how do you tell the difference between a 17-year-old

and an 18-year-old? I'm like, you think that's what child porn is? Child exploitation material, you call it? Bro, we're talking 7, 6, 5. We don't have time to get into like adolescent minors. Like it is, there's been a 5,000% increase in those kind time to get into adolescent minors. There's been a 5,000% increase in those kind of sex videos in the last decade.

And it's only going up. And so that burns a hole in your brain. And the other thing that burns a hole in your brain is undercover work. And that is true. The story is true. The Olshansky character. Very real case. I provided Alejandro with a one hour and 20 minute interview where I'm

talking to this guy, special agent, Tim Ballard, talking to Olshansky and he won't break. And he is a pedophile, like extraordinary. He's got 2 million pieces of child exploitation material, videos, everything categorized, cataloged, just like you see in the film. And he won't break. He won't tell me that he, where he was hiding it. He was hiding it in his house and the floorboards, we ended up finding it. How I broke him, I kicked the agent out. I said, hey, let me try this. This is crazy, crazy idea.

I'm wired up, and I start going into what his literature is. I read his books, his stuff online. Every man is a pedophile, but the puritanical society has crushed the human spirit of sexuality and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, okay, let's test it and i went in i went in and tried to convince him that i am you know i it's easy when i'm it's easier when i'm brian black that's one of the undercover names i once used or you know you get to be a different person this was me being undercover as me tim ballard special agent closet pedophile and how can I help myself?

Because I have the largest collection of child exploitation material on the planet in the evidence vault. He fell for it. He fell for it. And I showed Alejandro. I said, well, listen to this. He called me freaking out. He was shaking. He was like, bro, I can't believe how sick this guy is and how dark you had to get and he's like i

gotta figure out how to take an hour and 20 minute interview and reduce it to like two minutes and you see how he does in the movie he does a pretty good job with the cigarette i won't say more but that's a very real thing that burned another million holes in my brain i wanted i i walked out of that and i it shows jim splashing water i walked around the side of the house and i vomited outside right by the tire of my car, I remember. I vomited. And there's a line that Jim Caviezel says you mentioned was ad-libbed.

Yes. It's so good. That scene was absolutely incredible. When people are cheering for the good guys in that. But Ian, the reason I wanted to bring you into this is Ian used to moderate for a social media website. I don't know the degree to the awful things you saw in doing moderation.

Didn't even not even hold a candle to what you've been through, man, or what you've seen. It was, I'd see every once in a while, I'd see a leg get blown off. I'd see, I didn't ever see a little kid naked and I don't ever want to, uh, no, no, but it was, I had to, it broke me after, and I kept doing it and it kept breaking me. And then I, I just kept doing it because I had to. Someone had to do it. I don't think human minds are supposed to be able to look at that stuff. No way.

They say that people who work at Facebook and these social media platforms, this kind of stuff gets uploaded. To varying degrees. I'm not saying just one kind of awful content. There's varying degrees of really bad stuff from someone just getting mercilessly attacked to murdered to child exploitation. And there are stories

about these Facebook employees who are completely traumatized from working this job where they're trying to remove this stuff. And I think people should realize that that was one of the reasons I think the film is so good

because that issue right there, like understand, man, there are people who, if you don't watch it, how do you stop these guys? You've got to prove in a court of law. You've got to have them arrested. You have to have them stand trial.

And the evidence has to be shown. That's right. I don't. You want to share, for example, this is not in the movie because it's very difficult to make a movie about this guy when he's telling you so many beautiful stories you know about saving children and you have only two hours he said brother we need to we need to do a tv series because i need like 200 episodes to tell your story you know so that's why it's very difficult but that when someone asked you what is the hardest thing ever happened to you and you and you said well smiling smile to

the face of evil yeah can you explain because that happened there but it's not in the movie but that is like man when you share that story i was like i would kill the guy well that's the part about the the other million holes in your brain like it's one thing to see the images but then you got to hang with these guys and you got to hang with them for months sometimes and you're you're you hang out all day all night you're you're you're their buddies your business partners and how do you do it like this messes with your brain because you there's chemistry with the brain like connection right there's yeah you can't fake it so you have to like dig down hard and find the humanity in them there's something good redeeming in their in their heart and there's usually something and you got to like grab it and try to love it Because you can't fake it that long.

There's a scene in the film where you're on the island and the Don, I think his name was right, tries taking one of the kids and you intervene. Your character intervenes. It's the scene where you're trying to sting these guys,

save these kids. Law enforcement is ready. But before the rest of the kids arrive, because you don't know where they're at, this guy tries to rape a child. Yeah. Your character, I don't know if this is absolutely true

as to how it happened or whatever, your character intervenes and says, no, this one's mine. And the guy puts a gun to his head and says, step out of the way. And that's a scary thought that, I't know you can answer to this circumstances where you have to collect information to shut these guys down but if you stop them in the moment you jeopardize the whole mission and it could put a hundred kids lives at risk but that kid right there needs saving now right i i could not imagine how you make a,

what you do in a moment like this, other than I would assume just save that kid, but it's tough, man. What you have to do is ahead of time, set it up so you don't find yourself in those situations. So in full, in full transparency,

that scene was, was fictionalized. It was a cool scene right because it was it brought this intensity and it it showed me and vampito working together which is that's true in spirit we worked together he's a very real guy the vampiro character very real and um but you we we plan out ahead of time to where on that operation and others like that we would never actually let them be in the same space. So we put the kids somewhere else.

Candy games. We have female operators who are nurses pretending to be the groomers. That's what the traffickers think. Getting the kids ready, and then we separate. We lure them with the money. If you want the money, you better come over here. One time we did an op where we put a yacht out off the coast. You got to come to the yacht,

and we're going to do the deal out there. That's how far we'll separate them. So those kind of things never actually have to happen. Did you, having spent time with pedophiles, pederoses, because phile means love, like familial love. Philia is like love of friend, but it's eros. It's erotic love. Correct, yeah.

Pederos. Pederos, is that what they call it? Well, they don't but they should yeah you're right yeah do you find that

there is a road to redemption for people that have gone through that I want to say yes because I love redemption stories but I've never seen it I've never seen

vampiro a little bit well vampiro actually didn't he actually didn't rape a child. He was involved with a prostitute who was selling her child.

And when he saw that, so Alejandro played with that a little bit. Yeah, you're right. He thought it was like an older, and then he found out that she was like 13 years old. And that's when he said, oh my gosh, I'm going to kill myself. But I don't think he actually was with somebody

who was underage. No, he was actually never with someone underage. So this, for those that haven't seen it, you know, for context, I'm going to kill myself. But I don't think he actually was with somebody who was underage. No, he was actually never with someone underage. So this, for those that haven't seen it, for context, I know it is spoilers, but this is someone you were working with to try and stop the exploitation of kids. Correct. The reason I ask if there's a road to redemption,

or you would think, is because, like Tim, you mentioned it tested your morality, your thoughts of the death penalty started creeping in. When I was watching the movie, I was thinking, surveillance state. Why don't we have a surveillance state to watch for these and to take to prevent this stuff and like because a surveillance state would be horrific and you were saying you wish that you had cameras in your eyes like they can do that that could be the future but i don't think that's better i'll i'll tell you why because epstein was

a real guy and when we make laws and we give power to government under the assumption it will always be good, bad people find a way to exploit that power in some way in very, very awful and dangerous ways to the point where Epstein was actually, I think he was caught early on and he got some kind of sweetheart deal and then was released. Now you've got, well, Epstein's no longer here, but he's arrested. Maxwell was convicted. And so we think that we, Epstein's no longer here, but he's arrested. Maxwell was convicted. And so we think that we enact these laws of surveillance state, for instance. We'll stop them.

No. Sooner or later, a bad person exploits the system, takes advantage of it, and now we're underneath them wielding that power against us, which makes it very difficult. So there's got to be some balance.

I'm not going to pretend to be the expert on how we do it or how it should be done, but we have to be careful about giving too much power to one institution or organization lest it be wielded in negative ways. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself because I think what a big part of the solution is, like you were saying, it's the storytelling. It's letting people know that it happened.

But what I'm chomping at the bit like what is it just more undercover sting operations well it is and i'll tell you why after that operation in columbia happened um again i wish the film were 10 hours so you can see everything that happened um we went back that was such a big hit in fact it was underreported in the film 54 rescues it was 120 rescues in two different locations and there's a documentary dna films it's an emmy winning documentary no one's seen it yet angel studios is putting it out called triple take and it dissects everything that happened on that island but after we did those three hits 120 rescues 15 traffickers down um we went back under different undercover faces we've

sent them in and asked the same people who otherwise would have introduced you to the traffickers, and everyone was like, don't even talk about that. Don't you know what happened? These Americans came down. You've got to see the papers. And we're just inside going, it's working. Yes.

It's working for the first time. These guys are looking over their shoulder. For the first time, there's some kind of a consequence that can make the barrier to entry into this black market of child slavery, you know, too high to entry. I do love them saying the Americans came down. They're scared. They know that there are people who will stop them. Right.

I love this story, man. Of some kind of divine intervention. And the idea of just. The plain old physical reality. In which you are saving kids. You are telling this story. Gives me hope. Makes me believe in the good. Makes me feel like. You know I don't understand how someone out there. Could be a nihilist.

Someone out there could be pessimistic. About where we're headed. There are bad people out there. But these are the stories that give you hope. And I hope people, for one, go see this movie right now, or as soon as possible. Bring your friends and family. But I hope people are moved by this to the point where they, in some

way, get involved. The message at the end of the film from Jim, and from you guys, about this could maybe inspire people the way Uncle Tom's Cabin did. I love it. This, this, this uh the issue of trafficking often comes up uh in the film nefarious have you guys seen nefarious yeah i gotta see it very good more of like a talking piece but there's an excellent line spoiler

alerts it's been out for a little while where you know this guy this this psychiatrist thinks he's this virtuous dude and then the demon says there are more people in slavery today than when slavery was legal and then he says i don't know how many a large portion or like more of them most of them are sex slaves and and you sit here thinking that you're doing good that that humans have improved and that's the kind of stuff where i'm just like we need to stop we need to figure out how we put an end to this and it's only going to happen if people are moved to believe in something i often talk about why there's crime we talk about rising crime in cities and i say it's not the laws necessarily it's our it's our moral it's

our cultures it's our moral framework if people who live in these cities don't care if they're going to stand by and just watch the crimes happen if the police aren't going to intervene to arrest people if laws are actually being put in place or precedent that stops people from saving the day, you will continue to see this stuff degrade. But if more and more people hold in their hearts that certain things should not be there, unthinkable, and we will do something to stop it, it becomes normal. And then you stop it. There will always be evil. But I think we've for the longest time, at least in my life so much of what we've seen in in big cities especially with the rise in crime is not my problem leave me out of it

i hope this film has the the effect of making people not feel that way and say we're going to be active we're going to do something it's happening it's happening i mean i have never seen in my life so many people that they go to see Sound of Freedom, and when they leave the theater, they videotape themselves, and they share their testimony with tears, crying, their heart are speaking, and then they share that with all their followers. Those are our posters, because we don't have a budget for posters, but we have millions of people talking about this film, and that's the movement.

No one can stop this movement anymore. They can stop Tim. They can stop me. They can stop millions of people that are just watching the film, and it's going to be just more and more. This is a global movement, brother. This is just the beginning. This movie is coming out all over the world.

And we're providing an opportunity right now. So something interesting happened at the end of the film. It used to say, and then they created Operation Underground Railroad and again I also became the CEO of the Nazarene fund I told Angel Studios take take the logo off of who you are I love it that's my baby I made it take it off because so many organizations out there are doing such great work and we're not the solution to every kid for many we are neither is the nazarene

fund um and so uh i actually before the film came out i stepped down from both um so that i could create something brand new it's the only scalable approach and it supports nazarene and oh you are it's called the spear fund i'm actually announcing it for the first time right now on your show the spear fund tip of the spear um And what it is, it's a scalable approach to ending this because every kid deserves the best rescuer, the best rescue organization, the best group, whatever it is. And it's not just one organization. So what we're doing is me and the co-founder of it is Jessica Munoz,

who's one of the most significant aftercare specialists in the United States. She built something in Hawaii that was amazing called Pearl Haven. And we are getting funds together so that we can then identify. It's a capitalistic kind of approach where it's like, if you're the best, you're getting the funding. Because you're the best option for that kid and you're the best option for that kid. Every kid's going to get the best rescue. So if people can support that, it's the spearfund.org. Go there. It's the fastest approach, the most effective approach to rescuing kids,

and we're super excited to get people turned on to that. In the movie, your character, well, you, needed funding. So is this like you're now the one that's funding? Correct. My undercover days are done, okay? But OUR, we were one of the first. There's been many others, but to do what we do and the way we do it, but that's changed.

In the last 10 years, lots of vet groups and former law enforcement guys have built these amazing organizations. So my goal now, I've left the two organizations that I love and I still love and I will still support so that I can support all the others because that I love and I still love and I will still support so that I can support all the others because that's what the kids deserve. I mean, again, if I'm being honest, I'm not going to say that the one I built is the end-all for everybody. But there is an end-all for that one or that one. And I want them all to rise.

With the energy of this film, I want there to be a solution. And if people want to get involved, thespearfund.org. Give us what you can, resources way and you'll watch what will return stories and we'll introduce you to People who are rescuing kids, you know better than I can do it, you know And and and so it's it's exciting. It's exciting time because I think we can see we can maybe end this thing You know, is it like oh, no, but with that it's, because I imagine there's multiple tiers of reasoning that why it's happening. It's like a financial reason for the people at the very top.

And then it's like a sexual reason for the depraved that are purchasing into it. But like, how do you disincentivize the financial aspect? Do you just make them terrified that everyone around them is going to turn them in next? Exactly. It's the deterrent effect that we saw in Columbia. These guys have been working with impunity throughout the world.

They're abusing children, selling them, and there's no consequence. Now there is. And this movie proves, I hope, every pedophile and trafficker is scared out of their mind right now because they know that it's not just OUR, it's not just the Nazarene Fund, but it's going to be every other group that's going to be empowered now through this film, through the Spirit Fund, and I want them to be looking over their shoulders

and thinking twice before they put their hand on a kid. Why do you think it is so many media outlets were attacking the film, insulting it, saying QAnon or paranoid? Well, first I'll say this. That's a little weird, huh? It's so bizarre because this film was made, produced, written five, six years ago before QAnon was even a thing, so it's impossible bizarre because this film was made produced written five six years ago before q anon

was even a thing so it's impossible what they're saying why are they saying it now here's my theory like i'm i think i'm right uh there's an agenda out there and there's a conversation to be had and these outlets don't want to have it by the way the guardian rolling stone they all praised this operation when it happened they don't remember remember. It was eight years ago, but I have the articles. Look at these guys rescue these kids in Columbia. And now eight years later, oh, it's QAnon. It didn't even happen, blah, blah, blah. There's a conversation they don't want to have.

They don't want to talk about the fact that there's 85,000 unaccompanied minors who came to our border and were released and lost in a country that's the highest consumer for child sex material. That's scary. They don't want to talk about the fact that teachers' unions are providing what we would in a country that's the highest consumer for child sex material. That's scary. They don't want to talk about the fact that teachers unions are providing what we would call pornography to third graders, right? I used to be able to arrest people

for providing the material to children that teachers are currently giving to kids under the guise of sex education. They don't want to talk about 13-year-old girls being able to consent. And I'm very libertarian when it comes to all these things for an adult right i'll go get the books yeah i think i got a couple of the books you're talking about we have a book that they've get that they have in

grade school i know that one yes that teaches children how to use adult sex apps yes i'm very familiar i just posted on this there was a teacher who gave middle schoolers, 10 to 12 years old, a book called This Book is Gay. It's the title of the book. And in it, it explains how to use Grindr. On page 182. Yeah. Now that one, we can't show either.

You can't show some of these pictures. I'm telling you, I could have arrested people for giving this to kids back in the early 2000s. As it should be. And now teachers are giving it to kids. They don't want to talk about this. And then you know what it leads to? Consent. Pedophiles have been pushing consent. Kids should be able to consent. I've studied pedophiles. I've hunted them for two decades, right? And they have platforms. They have literature. Kids should be able to make decisions for voting, for whatever

they want to do. Why are they saying this? Well, because they want them to have legal consent to have sex with a 12-year-old, 11-year-old, whatever. You know what this whole trans voice, and again, I'm libertarian for adults. Do what you want to do. I will fight for your right to choose to do that. I don't, but these are children. And when you let a kid consent to gender mutilation

or consent to puberty blockers, you're just, you're an inch away from allowing them to consent to, you've lost the argument. But this quite literally is one of their big arguments there have been uh numerous uh writers in what they call the queer movement who have talked about children consenting there are prominent activists who are making this argument and in fact tomorrow we're actually going to be having a debate about i'll keep it vague for a little bit because i you know i don't want to spoil it or or you know scare off the people who are coming on the show.

But there's going to be a conversation about what is or isn't appropriate for kids. I think it's fairly obvious. When we ask the question, we have people come on and debate various ideas. And I'll show these books to people and say, for what reason should children be shown these books? And they just blindly defend it and without i just want to say the real question is not why do kids need to see this it's why do you need to show this to a child why are you so obsessed with ensuring that a child will have their innocence destroyed by this perverse content let me ask you you, I mean, you're the expert. Can you break down

how would you describe grooming? Oh, absolutely. First, the pedophiles want a kid who's sexualized who will participate and choose to have sex with them. That's what they want. But you've got to get

a kid sexualized first. You know what porn does to an adult brain? I mean, I've talked to porn addicts. An adult brain. It changes the chemistry of the brain. It actually creates a damage of the brain it actually creates a

damage of the brain kids whose brains are just like crystallizing still they're little sponges so you give you give a third grader this and they're giving third graders this stuff and then you expose them to tiktok and let them have the i mean you these kids by the time they're 13 they're sex robots they all they know they're teaching kids to masturbate too in some schools yes that's part of it go to your special corner and touch yourself while you look at this So these kids are already sexualized to the point where and again pedophiles are salivating like hey They're doing our job for us these groups the the the leftists out there. They're doing our job. Yeah for us We are they're laughing they're laughing right there left their salary

But you say they are doing the job for us. Why not? They are doing the job The the groups are one in the same. us. Why not they are doing the job? The groups are one and the same. I mean, I made this argument. There was, I can't remember exactly what the story was, but I was critical of literal grooming. In fact, let's go back to pre-Elon Musk Twitter. There was an image of adult men showing graphic adult images to children.

And I said, this is grooming. I got suspended. They deleted the tweet and they they said you can't post this kind of stuff and i'm like i can't call out the abuse they said it was offensive it was hate speech wow so wow i criticize a story and i get these leftist publications attacking me for it my response was if my position is that child abusers are bad and you rush to their defense and attack me over it my only assumption is you're a child abuser or you are in support of child abuse both are wrong yeah they get so angry about it but i'm like there's no legitimate reason to defend what they're doing in these schools and for the same reason no

legitimate reason to attack sound of freedom exactly it these schools and for the same reason no legitimate reason to attack sounder freedom exactly it's the same motive and these guys also every one of the most of these publications by the way you're going to find they're also promoting this stop calling them pedophiles that's mean call them minor attracted persons and add them to the lgbtq i will absolutely not make it worse do you think that i that, I've heard yesterday, I think you mentioned, the average age of a child that sees pornography on the internet is seven years old. Average first exposure by some statistics is seven. And also 5,000% increase in child trafficking.

Are they somehow related? Absolutely. The grooming? Absolutely. Because they want willing victims. They want willing victims. Let me ask you something about, we've been talking about this for the past couple weeks. If someone goes out in the public, holding up a graphic image of adults engaging in adult activities, that person gets arrested.

No question. Cop comes and arrests them. The internet is a publicly accessible space in much the same way. But for some reason, we have not enforced laws preventing people from posting obscene, lewd, lascivious images in places children have access to. Why? What's the difference? Now, I know there's a lot of libertarians who are like, oh, you're talking dangerous talk, Tim. We've got to have freedom here. And I'm like, we don't have the freedom to go and put up a – take an advertising truck with a TV on it, park it in the middle of Times Square and play porn.

You can't do that. They will come and tow that vehicle to arrest you on the spot. So how is it that you can go on a social media platform children use and do the exact same thing? That's a question I have. Perhaps I don't have the moral authority or the understanding to say what we should or shouldn't do. I lean towards maybe we should make that,

we should enforce it as illegal as it should be. I'm wondering if you would agree or what your thoughts would be on that. I mean, I do. It's this weird double standard. I'd say the same thing. If you see what kids are doing, you're going to talk about this tomorrow on your show. But what adults are doing to kids in these forums and these parades they're doing or the drag queen shows.

I mean, you've seen the videos. They're exposing themselves. If that same person walked to a school playground and did that same thing, they'd be arrested but again what's the they're still kids they're kids in both places um and here we are again and and there are states i think uh i think tennessee who are trying to do create laws that protect kids from that material that you can't just post whatever there's there's certain barriers there's there's id requirements that have to be verified for a kid to get through a certain you know a wall in in the internet i'm i'm i think that's important to protect kids yeah one thing um i want to mention here you were sort of talking about genderqueer and a lot of this perverse literature that they're putting into the school system

one thing that a lot of people aren't aware of is that this isn't something on the fringes and even what you were talking about with respect to the pedophile who's depicted at the beginning of Sound of Freedom, who has written about how he thinks these are natural impulses in society's puritanical. This person, unfortunately, is part of a movement which is much broader and more mainstream than people realize. Alfred Kinsey, Wardell Pomeroy, all of the premier sex researchers who we are told to look to as experts and pioneers said similar things. Kinsey wrote in his book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Female, that the reason a girl is traumatized when she's abused, when she's under aged is because the parents made a big deal out of it and not because of what actually happened.

This is in his published work. This is the person who's credited as being the first person to scientifically study sex his first book sexual behavior in the human male was published in 1948 and sold several hundred thousand copies this was a textbook people were reading it and there is a table infamously titled table 34 that includes data tables which only could have been collected through the abuse of children i'm not going to graphically explain what those data tables purport to measure, but it's hundreds and hundreds of boys under the age of 15 who had to have been raped for him to get that information. This is mainstream. It's public knowledge. His co-author Wardell Pomeroy was in Time magazine in the 1980s

saying out loud that he thinks incest between adults and children can be, in his words beneficial this is not even hiding under the rug there's a an interview on the phil donahue show with people from the kinsey institute and judith reisman and they're defending all of this saying that it was okay so these aren't fringe weirdos here and there this stuff is way more mainstream than people realize it is it's just taking this long but he's the father by the way not only of our sex modern sex education programs like this stuff he's also the father of the pedophile movement yeah they it all derives from the same sick you know backwards falsehoods yeah so thank

you for that i mean you you clearly know your stuff on that you're talking about this uh this pedophile the beginning of the film and also a real guy that you studied who made that claim that all men have these predilections or whatever and you think everyone steals it's it's exactly like it's the projection it's the world must be the way i see it everyone must see the world the way i do there's no other explanation certainly you know i'll put it this way i don't think i was ever accused these people of being smart something's clearly wrong with them but it's like my dude every country on the planet is it to varying degrees wants to stop you right the united states is actively in the process of trying to stop you clearly the world thinks what you are doing is wrong to believe otherwise is

insanity these people but i said you know no one's i i don't know i wouldn't accuse people to believe otherwise is insanity. These people, but as I said, I don't know, I wouldn't accuse people of being smart. Even Epstein was not smart enough, right? Right. I got to know, man, like after having experienced the last 20 years and making the movie and everything, how do you, and do you have kids too? I don't know if you want to talk about it or not,

but like how do you educate your children about sexuality now? Do they need to be educated younger do they just need the words to understand the body parts so that if something they see something they can tell you um i mean i the idea of like saying no go away i just don't i don't know that that can ever work but let me let me elaborate a little bit on that is you know if there's a kid who doesn't understand what's happening to them and they can't articulate it, how do you navigate that problem? Right.

So my wife's in charge of that. I try to support. But what she does, and this requires actual parenting to do this. You have to know your kids intuitively. And moms have a gift. My wife certainly does. Gifts I wish I had, but I don't. And so it's interesting.

Each of my kids have the conversation at a different age. Some it's seven, some it's 10. Some they weren't ready until 12 or 13. My wife literally prays over when it's time to say what and what to say and what details to give. Also, listen to your kids ask questions. So you've got to give them the basics at a certain point, right? Like you said, they have to have the vocabulary to be able to understand what dangers come in.

But the kids will ask and satisfy their curiosity. Otherwise, the playground will. And you don't want the playground to satisfy their curiosity. So Catherine listens. Okay, you're going somewhere. You have a, let's sit down.

I will be the one that gives you the answer before somebody else does. So did you give them internet access when they were younger? It's the same process. Some of my kids were ready at 10 to begin monitored. Some not until they're 13. It depends on... Good for you.

It depends. It's customized. It's got to be monitored. Very monitored. I don't know where this culture came from, this idea of like the kid can go online, have fun. You're basically saying you are giving your kid a private jet to go anywhere in the world and see whatever they want. Clearly, you would never allow that. You're not going to let your kid go down to the, you know, you can't go north of this street.

You can't go four blocks out. We tell our kids, you know, when I'm growing up, it's like, don't go past this street. Don't go past this street. And we'd listen for the most part come home when the lights come on there were limitations on how far we could go if you went too far and you got lost you got kidnapped something bad happened to you how your parents gonna find out the internet may not be the exact same thing in terms of physical space but you can access literally anything that's ridiculous to allow a kid to do whatever you imagine if you were like you're allowed to go wherever you want son

even the adult bookstore down the street go go no way and not only that they wouldn't let you in it would be it's illegal but the internet is different they let kids do whatever they want they don't think about it parents really need to understand it's not just quote unquote the internet it's unrestrained access to some of the worst and the best things humanity has created not not every kid is ready for all that yeah i mean kids i i would say there is a large quantity of things on the internet no one could handle seeing yeah let alone children with one click yeah well there's there's there's videos of murder yeah there there i remember back in the day there was a viral video of three guys murdering someone that

was going around and if you were just some kid and your parents gave you a phone or a computer you saw a graphic and brutal murder take place that the children should not be watching that stuff well you made this point about the fact that you wouldn't be allowed in an adult bookstore if you were just walking down the street or a place that sells pornography i shouldn't use and not only that but porn hub banned access in the state of utah because utah passed a law saying we need to have stricter methods of verifying people's ages so that kids don't end up viewing porn on this website that made porn hub very upset so not only is it the case that kids are allowed into these like digital establishments the companies actually throw a fit when they aren't um and i'll also mention this my dad made this point when i was a kid and he was referring to television i think it's even more pressing with uh internet today but he said this is the first

time in human history where parents allow complete strangers into their home to teach their children yep and now uh it's it's two-way you know your kid has an exchange with them the uh the trevor project posted this interface that they were advertising to talk to uh somebody about your sexual identity and if you hit the escape button three times it deletes all of your browser history and they were advertising that they're advertising that so if an adult walks in the room hit escape three times all of it's cleared now what would you say about an adult who goes to a kid tries to talk to him about sex and says don hit escape three times, all of it's cleared. Now, what would you say about an adult who goes to a kid, tries to talk to him about sex, and says, don't tell your parents?

Horrifying. It's like textbook. Absolutely. It's horrifying. It's grooming. And it's part of, again, the pedophile movement. They've been saying it for years. Separate kids from the parents.

They have NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, other organizations in Europe that I've hunted. They have literature that teach the pedophile how to separate parents from kids, how to get them alone, or how to even groom the parent to become friendly with them. So, I mean, these are

pedo tactics. So, we didn't actually get into it, and I see someone, we got a super chat, someone was asking, Mike Spencer, why did it take so long for this film to come out i mean you said you started making what eight years ago eight years ago that's why i met tim ballard yeah five years to get it released after that well actually it was it was three years of writing the script it was two years of pre-production production and

post-production so i finished the film three years ago. And at that time it was owned by Fox, Fox Latin America. But then Disney bought Fox. So now the film was owned by Disney. So I negotiated with him after they told me this is not for us. So it took us a year for rescue the rights of the film.

After I had the rights back, I knocked the doors of Netflix and Amazon and many others, and they were not interested. They said, this is not for us. This is not for us. This is not for us. So for three years, until I was, again, you have two options.

You give up, you don't give up. And next thing you know, it was like, Tim, I mean, should we put this on YouTube for free? I mean, we need to save children. We need to raise awareness. I mean, I was about to call my investors, like, hey, you know, we did everything, but it seems like someone doesn't want

this movie to be in theaters. And it's done. Like, Disney has it. They're like, the movie's done, and they go, we don't want to go with that. Yeah, so actually, I went to Argentina because the new headquarters of Disney Latin America were in Argentina.

So I went there. Very nice people, because when I said, I want to make something very clear. When I say that Disney is trying to corrupt your children, I'm talking about the cupola, the elite, you know, the people who are a very, very high level. There's a lot of good people working in Disney. They just, you know, they have no other options. And so I met very good people in Argentina, and they saw the movie. They told me, well, we need to have a meeting, and I'll get back to you. So I went back to Mexico. Like a week later, they told me, you know, this is not for us.

This is not for Disney. Okay, well, give it back to me. Yeah, but you owe money to us right now. I know, but you promised me, well, not you, but Fox promised me that they were going to do a documentary and a TV series. Well, we're not going to do that. Okay, well, not you, but Fox promised me that they were going to do a documentary and a TV series. Well, we're not going to do that. Okay, well, let's negotiate. So one year negotiating until finally a lot of things happened, but you know, okay, well, here's your movie.

So when I got the movie back, I was like, okay, so Tim, what should we do? You know, well, Netflix. Okay, well, let's go to Netflix. I don't know. I sent like a hundred messages. I know people that they know, theo of netflix and everything and they try and they try and they try and nothing nothing nothing until i just you know what i don't want to force something maybe god has a different plan and he he did and so what i did in mexico at that time because alejandro was calling me and he was alejandro monteverde my business partner the

director of the film he said eduardo the kids cannot wait any longer. We need to do something. We cannot wait until distribution happens. And that's when I had this idea of why don't we do a tour in Mexico where we invite every governor of each state to host a screening, to invite all the leaders from every single sector of our society in each state. And then we show the movie, 2,000 people. And then at the end, we sign an agreement where we commit to end child trafficking in that state. And then we show the movie, 2,000 people. And then at the end, we sign an agreement where we commit to end child trafficking in that state. And we did like 20 states. And I was about to finish the other 12 states

when I received the phone call from Angel Studios. And here we are. You know, again, I'm living, we're living this beautiful dream, man. I mean, I'm just, we're broken souls. And when you, the feeling of knowing that you're being used by God to save children. I mean, I've been crying every day, brother. I feel like it's more than that. We've seen, you mentioned Disney. I boycotted Disney a long time ago. I can't, I,

so, you know, I had purchased, when Disney Plus comes out, I buy the year plan. And then I think it was when Mulan came out, they thanked the security forces who are holding Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. And people are furious about it. I mean, the stories are coming out of there horrifying. I said, I'm not going to, I'm done with Disney Plus. I'm not going to sign back up for it. I haven't. I'm not going to. I think it's more than just saving kids.

That's the immediate. But also understand the the the cultural ramifications of a successful film to this degree who do you think got fired at disney somebody turned this film down and now someone's saying 54 million dollars in 10 days you know what what did we do actually you know what what happened i just got a phone call today and someone told me hey you read this article where Disney is denying that they used to own the rights of the film? I said, well, I have the contract.

I mean, I have two contracts actually signed by them, so should I put that on my Twitter? He said, well, we should, so I'm going to put that because now they're lying. Can you imagine they're denying that they used to own this film? They don't want to look. They're humiliated because, can you imagine? This is like the Goliath, David and Goliath, right?

We're the little David here fighting this big monster who is corrupting your children. Son of Freedom wants to save your children. And then the only message we gave to the people, thanks be to God for the media who are supporting us like you guys, this is what we said. A, in order for us to be are supporting us like you guys. This is what we said. Hey, in order for us to be David, we need you. So if we all come together as one voice, we can be that David that will defeat Goliath.

If that happens, we know the end of the story. So we defeated Goliath at least on July 4th. And you know what happened normally? The first week of the film, let's say you have 2,000 theaters, right? The second week week you go to 1 500 theaters and then 500 theaters and then you die right yeah so this is the opposite the second week we have 400 theaters more and i just heard that we have three more hundred theaters so this thing is growing and growing because of the people

are and you and you know why too the people are very generous when they go to angel.com freedom angel.com freedom people can buy tickets for themselves for their family but they can buy through pay pay it forward to other people other families that they cannot afford to go to bring their family to the theaters and because of their generosity these other people can see the film for free that is changing the the entire you know i mean we're we're breaking the establishment brother i just i hope that there's some executive or some like mid-level guy who was like we don't want to do this film get it out of here and now he's got a boss yelling at him like we just lost 54 million dollars sorry because you didn't want the film was done it was sitting right here five years

angel angel.com freedom yes i'm gonna i'm gonna pay a thousand bucks for this this is the funny thing too that brother god bless you man the media says that uh it's a faith-based film or whatever a conservative and i'm like i don't understand i i used to watch law and order svu all the time i'm like this is just like if you took if you made a movie that was like in a similar fashion they say you know crime sexual crimes are considered especially heinous law and order that show was on the air for decades people love it this film it's it's like in the same genre it's it's a it's a drama thriller crime it's like life is beautiful can you imagine saying life is beautiful it's a jewish film no you never say that or schind It's like Life is Beautiful. Can you imagine saying Life is Beautiful is a Jewish film?

No, you never say that. Or Schindler's List, one of my favorite films, especially when he talks about this list is life. This is the same thing. Sound of Freedom is life. Angel Studios had a trailer in the beginning of the movie that was like a sci-fi movie. I'm like, good.

I want Angel Studios to succeed. I want them to make more films. They're not overtly like, it's not like every movie is in some way got this through line of religion or anything. It's for everyone. It's for everyone. It's a parallel story.

It's a true story. I mean, okay. You know what I like though? It's like the subtlety of the light versus the subtlety of the dark. Hollywood has the subtlety of darkness in a lot of what they do. Weird, creepy things you might notice in the background that you don't want your kids to know. You don't want your kids to watch or ask questions about.

You know, they've got in, I think it was Blue's Clues, there was a beaver with mastectomy scars. And now, by all means, if you want to talk about cancer survivors and how they have mastectomy scars, we get that, right? We're compassionate. But to show a beaver in this way, we know it wasn't about cancer survivor because they'd be wearing a shirt. It was about giving these gender ideology ideas to little kids without you noticing. That's the subtlety of darkness. Angel Studios can make a sci-fi film that's not overly religious or whatever thing, but then there's subtlety of light in those films. So if all they're doing is making movies

that's entertaining, we're winning. I said this about The Daily Wire, why I'm excited to see them succeed. They make a movie that's a Western. It's not a conservative film, it's just a film. And I'm like, that's what needs to happen. Because if the bare minimum of what we do is we end the weird subtlety of darkness

and this erosion, and we just course correct and start working towards things that inspire people to be more virtuous or moral, we're winning. You said the word inspire. Media influence how people think. You know what's the average percentage between parents and children having meaningful conversations every day in America? And I think now it's in the whole world, three to six minutes a day. But in front of the media, social media, movies, videos, radio, whatever, more than 10 hours a day.

So who is educating their children? It's not parents, neither schools, it's the media. So media, I mean, it's good or bad, whatever. It's just the mean, you know, how you use it is what changed everything, right? So art has the power to change people's hearts. Plato said, if I have to choose between art or politics to govern a nation, he said, I will choose art because art has the power to touch people's hearts and change their minds, therefore how they think, how they live, how they behave.

So this is powerful. Media influence how people think. And young people, they have this tendency to imitate art. When they go and see the movie, they imitate what they see. So can you imagine if we just lead by example? That's why Tim Ballard in the movie, Jim Caviezel, he speaks very little. Everything is just actions, actions, actions, because action speaks a thousand words, right? And our hope is that when people see this movie, Sound of Freedom, they will live, not only entertained, but they will live live inspire wanting to love more wanting to forgive

more wanting to become the best version of yourself the best version of yourself wanting to become more like tim ballard you know this is a true hero this is not like superman or spider-man you know what this is about a true hero and we all can become heroes we are called to be heroes actually and my goal as a filmmaker is is that when people leave the theater they will love to become ambassadors of freedom. And I hope they will ask the same question I asked myself eight years ago. What can I do to end this? I want to join the army. I want to join the army. And I think we have an army of more than 5 million people now in America. This is amazing. You know what I do hope? I hope you guys get

$50 million penthouses with infinity pools, a couple Corvettes, some Ferraris, some Lamborghinis. I hope. You know why? And I genuinely mean this. Who deserves luxury more than those who are doing good to benefit the world? Is it the celebrity or the music? You know, no. I've always thought this when I was younger.

Like, why is it that a firefighter gets paid a lower salary, but a baseball player is a multimillionaire? And so, of course, I'm being a bit facetious, and I don't really expect you guys to buy those things, but I hope that the younger generation sees success of this movie, the millions of dollars, they see the movement, and they think the path to success is being a good, moral person

who fights for the betterment of the world. And I want Tim Ballard to roll up in a nice car with a nice suit and the kids to be like, how do I be like him? It's like, oh, you save children's lives. Instead, what do we get? We get, you know, be hard, be streets, be a celebrity, make songs about lewd and lascivious behaviors. We got to switch that around.

You know, Ben Shapiro famously rapping, you know, that song, WAP. We'll get into it yeah how do how do we we sam smith doing the satanic dances how do we shift that to the guy walking on stage the nice suit and the gold chains is the guy who saves children for a living well you know one thank you for for that but at the same time i just want to you know you may agree with me you may not agree with me but i have have to say it. And that's how I feel. Mother Teresa said, we are not called to be successful. We are called to be faithful to God.

That is our success. Now, if by being faithful to God, by being faithful to our values, success come, it's a blessing. Thanks be to God. Let's use that success to make a difference in people's lives. Because you know what? We're going to die one day. Life is too short, brother. And we're taking nothing, nothing with us,

except for our actions. Nothing's wrong with success, as long as you don't compromise your values. But if success doesn't come after being faithful, never compromise. Never compromise. It's not worth it. Beauty does not come from outward adornment.

We have a big advantage in this culture war. And that is, I think, a higher degree of selflessness. The left has collectivism. They fall in line. They march in lockstep. But if a movie like this and the profits from it go towards the mission and expanding that mission, that's something they don't have. These people, many of these leftists are virtue signalers. They'll say whatever they have to say just to make money for themselves they can buy themselves a mansion if the money generated from people seeing this movie doesn't go towards

lamborghinis and infinity pools and it in fact goes towards making more culture building making more movies inspiring more people to do better that that passion and that drive and that mission is something they don't have because this is a mission exactly what you just said this is not just this is a movement this is a mission this is a vision this is like our i mean we made a promise that we would dedicate our entire life to angel trafficking and this is not going to be you know ended with one movie this is just the beginning you know when the movie starts brother the movie starts for the people when the movie finished that's the beginning of the movement when the film finished that's how i felt when i saw it like i was like a different person i was it was hard to watch kind

of i was like breaking apart and then i was rebuilt at the end i really want to thank jim caviezel man oh brother he amazing i wanted to talk about him for a second because i mean he deserved that you said earlier he didn't have a lot of lines and i noticed that and it was his eyes man you can see his brain the eyes are connected to the brain and you see it like i don't know did you spend a lot of time with him yeah we did we're super good friends and he spent he spent time with me and and alejandro said something in the beginning he says whoever plays this role has to say way more with his eyes than he does with his mouth that was before jim even agreed and that's exactly what Caviezel pulls off. That was his idea, this crazy Tim Butter.

Because I was thinking about someone else, someone that looks like him, younger and everything. And when I asked him, brother, 20 people passed, so who do you want to play you? And he looked at me and he said, Jesus Christ. Brother, come on, I'm not kidding. He's too expensive. No, I'm talking about the guy who played Jesus Christ in The Passion the passion of christ of mel gibson oh man i thought for a second

you went crazy and you know him yeah i know him but why him because he has the you know he's brave he's a godly man and i know he's going to be an actor who's not going to be coming here you know play the role go to the go to the premiere and then next movie. He will stay with us until the end, right? So I text him. I say, brother, I have something for you. When can I see you? In two hours in this coffee. So Alejandro and I went to meet with him.

We pitched the story to him and he starts crying. He said, brother, this is too personal to me. And he shared a very personal story. And I was like, wow, okay, this is your story, brother. This is, I mean, this is it. So the next day he calls me and he tells me i have a good news and a challenge what is the what is the good news i mean that's it tell tim ballard tell alejandro that i mean what is the bad news what is the challenge well you know my my wife saw narcos colombia on netflix and she's afraid for me to

go to colombia to film this movie oh, I hated that because you know, again, media influence how people think. Latinos, we have been stereotyped in a very negative way since the 40s until today. And a lot of people here in this country, they think Latinos, we are a threat to the democracy of this country because they think that we are what they see in film or television, all the negative stereotypes.

So, and this TV series, they do a lot of damage. And here you have this Jinka business wife saying he's not going to Colombia. I said hold on a second. Let me just call Tim batter I'll call you right back team. I have a good news and a bad news brother Good news, Jinka visually seen bad news his wife. So narcos Colombia on Netflix and she doesn't want him to go there What can we do and he's thinking and thinking he said tell them if 30 ex Navy SEALs 30 ex Navy SEvy seals will be

enough to protect him i called him i passed a message green light we're in columbia filming right but look what happened 30 of these guys were on set week later half of them are not on set anymore and i'm like okay i'm not gonna say anything as a producer i know who is on set we have 200 people extras actors whatever you know and I noticed that half of them were not there. So one month and a half later, I'm reading this local newspaper from Colombia that it says that the federal police arrested some traffickers

and rescued more than 200 children in Cartagena, Colombia, who were kidnapped for sexual exploitation. And more details, like in the movie, very similar story to the movie. So I run to see Tim Ballard, and I said, Brother Duke details like in the movie very similar story to the movie so i run to see tim ballard and i said brother duke like in the movie and he smiled and he said that was us what that was us half of the guys who were not on set they were walking on the cartagena streets on saturday and these people came and approached them hey amigo gringo you want senoritas

young ladies how many you want they thought they were tourists looking for action right next thing you know they didn't know that these guys were experts on rescue children right so they they they say well can i call you tomorrow because there's more americans coming and we we we need more girls do you have like really young girls brother we have everything you need okay we have chickens chickens means like very little boys and girls right so um anyway so they rescued these children. They started this undercover operation with the help of the police, Columbia Police.

So I'm thinking like, one second. While you're filming the movie? Yes. I mean, the second week, brother, of filming, half of these guys were rescuing 200 children. And I'm thinking, wait a second. Thank God for Gene Caviezel's wife who said no in the beginning.

Because of that no, he was inspired, Tim Butler, to bring 30 ex-Navy SEALs. And because of those 30 ex-Navy SEALs, half of them rescued 200 children before the film was even finished. Sound of freedom, too. Can you imagine? I mean, this is, brother, I'm just, there's so many miracles. I remember saying this. Are you going to answer the question? Yeah, I'll say it. Let's focus on this film first. You know, I'm in tears. I remember saying this. Are you going to answer the question? Yeah, I'll say it.

Let's focus on this film first. I'm in tears. I'm crying. I mean, the story just wrote itself. That's amazing. I'm telling Tim, brother, even if this film never see the light, even if tomorrow there's an earthquake and the entire film is buried, right? The fact that we were used to save 200 children, it's all worth it, man. I can

die in peace. Never imagined that eight years later, 5 million people are watching this film in America. Come on. I mean, if this is not the American dream for me, for a Mexican filmmaker who moved to this country 20 years ago without speaking English, I'm hugging the American dream. I'm so grateful to this nation for opening the door to my dreams. God bless this wonderful nation. God bless America. God bless Mexico. Let's make Mexico and America free again. Yeah, let's.

We're going to go to Super Chats, but do you want to get one more question? Does Jim's wife know that she inspired that? Of course, man. Are you kidding me? I mean, she saved 200 children just by that no. By her concern for her husband. And later she said yes, and later 200 children are free. Maybe the reason she had that feeling that she needed people there wasn't so much to protect Jim, but because something was calling her to send in the troops to save his kids.

That's how God works. That's how God works. We don't understand the beginning. Why? Bad news? That bad news was the best news ever. It seems stories like this, they seem impossible. They seem like miracles, but they happen.

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per month level, you can immediately submit to ask questions. We have to have this gate to keep out nefarious actors who want to come in and screw with us, and then we have a screening process. And I do want to be honest. At this point, many of the callers may have already been chosen, so I don't want to get your hopes up if you've not signed up yet.

But come and watch the Members Only After show, which will be up in about 25 minutes. But for now, we'll read your Super Chats. Let's grab... I want to try and find the best Super Chats directly asking questions of you guys so we can get into that. Spencer Jones says, Tim, I met you a few years ago via Marisol Nichols. Been donating to OUR ever since. Keep it up. God bless. Not sure if you know who that is. Well, Marisol Nichols is one of my best friends.

She's an actress. If you watch Riverdale. No, I know of it. Yeah, she's a very successful actress, and she actually done undercover work with us. I mean, undercover operators are, first and foremost, actors. And she's phenomenal. She's rescued dozens and dozens of kids using her undercover skills.

So thank you. Thanks for mentioning it, Marisol, and thanks for your support. Shadows Hand says, I saw Sound of Freedom earlier today. Thank you, Tim B., for your continued efforts on that front. Definitely a film everyone needs to see. How can one join your cause in person in Operation Underground Railroad? Check out the website, info at OURes our rescue.org and send in your resume and but you did step down are you still involved in any way i'm still the founder always the founder i'll always support and send money and but uh can you give me oh the website name our rescue.org but yeah i stepped

down from both the in any official capacity i just like i said i want to help the whole cost on all the organizations though let's grab some more super chats i i'm taking my time because i'm trying to find good questions pertaining to the film and uh eric ck asked early on tim ballard you're a true hero what do you know about the human trafficking in ukraine i know we did mention it a true hero what do you know about the human trafficking in Ukraine I know we did mention it a little bit I don't know if there's

anything else to elaborate on I'll say this the docu-series called Hidden War you can check out the trailer actually online just google DNA films

Hidden War it's an amazing trailer Mel Gibson's involved with that Tony Robbins is a producer and you're going to see a crazy story a four part series early next

year. Hidden War. Check it out. Alright. What is it? Spoon Stealing Irishman says I'm under your house. I'm in your walls. I cannot be stopped. I will not stop. Your spoons were just the beginning. Soon I will take your host chair and the endgame will be in motion. Do you see this? My hands are

right here. There's no way I could have possibly typed that. This exonerates me. I stole Tim's spoons like four days ago. There's no way I could have possibly typed that. This exonerates me. Hold on a second. That's not true. I have been falsely accused of stealing spoons from this man and hiding them under his house. It's nonsense. Listen, you guys know me. You know I wouldn't do that. You know I wouldn't do something like that.

This is ridiculous. I'm being maligned. Smeared by the liberal press once again. Let's grab some super chat says I've been donating monthly since I heard of Tim Ballard and OUR seven years now Tim you are doing the lord's work one question

who does Tim walk around with those massive steel clankers he has how does he ha ha ha ha that's a good one yeah I have to ask you did you really infiltrate a colombian rebel camp okay so um we did a podcast on this as well so the um the the original script had it where we actually did go and it was a a camp uh that was all sorts of kids, slave, sex trafficking. It looked very much like that.

It was not in Colombia. It was in another place on the border between Dominican Republic and Haiti. We were accosted with men with guns, gangsters, and machetes. I didn't go by myself. And, you know, you've never given me problems. Some of your executive producers are like, don't tell. Don't ruin the illusion. Oh, no, no, that's why we say base in a true story.

I said I'll always be honest, I'll always be honest. Base in a true story because, again, when you have someone like him who does rescue missions every two weeks, man, and he's telling you like 100 stories, and the challenges that you have two hours, it's like, like brother there's so many elements like i need to bring elements of of every single rescue mission so we can tell one story but uh in reality it it's it's more dangerous what this guy is going through the

movie i mean because we this is a poetry what we what alejandro wrote it's a poetry with a lot of light and and and darkness you know fighting light and dark with the music and everything the innocence and the purity of the children the actors on set were like these kids they never knew what this film was about the parents were there it was a family environment and uh except for the one little girl you gotta tell that story yeah but that was an accident brother i know you gotta tell that story well beautiful you know the this is what happened so we have the parents of the children's the children on on this island and we have like these two coaches they were like the acting teachers right so alejandro was communicating

with them and with their parents to get the emotions. But that day, the two teachers, you know, they had to go somewhere else. So they sent a new teacher and a new coach. And Alejandro didn't know about that, the director. So next thing you know, we're doing a very important scene, which is, you know, the scene where they close the curtains. I don't want to say a lot because I don't want to spoil this. But anyway, she's supposed to be uh crying because before that scene she was abused sexually abused by an adult right so then

uh okay well let's let's film uh so alejandro talked to the coach so i just want her to cry a little bit it's gonna be just five seconds ten seconds and and that's it you know it's gonna be very simple scene and that's it okay right boom going to be a very simple scene, and that's it. Okay, right, boom. We start filming. First take, Alejandro's like, wow, we have it. Cut. Alejandro's walking to rehearse for the next scene, and he noticed that she's still crying. And she's still crying.

Alejandro called, you know, he called the coach. Why is she still crying? Oh, you told me that you needed, like, the emotions. Yeah, but this is, like, 30 minutes later, she's still crying oh you told me that you needed like the emotions yeah but this is like 30 minutes later she's still she's still crying what happened well i have to tell her that what happened to her you know and what oh what do you mean so she told her that she was abused before she never heard about these things ever in her life wow She cried for days. We couldn't fire that teacher only because we were in this island where if we fire her,

we don't have coaching for the kids for the next scenes, right? But man, we got very angry because that was the number one rule. The children cannot know what this film is about because we cannot put thoughts in their minds. We need to protect their innocence and their purity on set. It's like if my son is in a movie like this i want to be with him i want to read the script i want to talk to the director i want to talk to the director i want to make sure

that his innocence and purity is intact right and and it was just an accident here but that scene when you see that scene when you see the film again because when you watch this film for the second time and third time it's even better i you see the film again because when you watch this film for the second time and the third time it's even better I have seen the film like a thousand times as a producer

and I cry like every single time and it speaks to me in a different way but that scene breaks my heart because I know I know what happened it was one take

and that's what they used is that the main girl the main girl yeah she's amazing she's great but when you when you watch that scene again in the top

go back and see the movie again just for that scene and you're realizing you're seeing real emotion real real emotion of a little girl who just found out what she wasn't supposed to know of the role she was actually playing let's read this one adolfo says tim ballard what are your thoughts on the 85 000 kids missing from the usa usa custody at the border do you believe that a significant portion of those children are being trafficked? I absolutely do. I spent 10 years on that border

and what the cartels make $14 million a day. They take these kids, Health and Human Services policy, they have to get the kids within like 24 hours once they're there. 85,000 unaccompanied. CBP tells us that thousands of them were under five years old.

What they do is they deliver them to Health and Human Services. The little kids come with a name. Sometimes it's a safety pin to their shirts or in their pockets, and the name's the sponsor, George Smith, for the phone number. They call that number. Hey, we have little Jose Gonzalez here. Oh, yeah, yeah, send him to this address. The U.S. Chats are going to pick him up.

And it's easier to adopt a cat out of a shelter than it is to come down and take one of these kids out of out of the custody of the u.s government but now your taxpayer dollars will send the child by plane or bus in what will likely be or many times at least be the very last leg of a child trafficking event because can can you imagine this? Imagine if a little child was found in New York City or I don't care where, you know, D.C., Salt Lake City. That child would be treated like a precious thing that it is. You're not going to deliver that kid to any person who shows up. There'll be background checks, DNA tests, documents, whole thing.

And yet we're not affording the same thing to foreign kids. They like to call Trump like careless or doesn't care about the foreign kids or whatever. Well, what are you doing? You care nothing about these kids to let them be released without any kind of background check just to whoever claims them.

And that's the reality of what's going on. And I'll remind you, the United States is the number one consumer of child sex material. So it's not a safe place for kids to disappear. My friend Jorge Ventura gave me this. He was on the border. It says entrejas.

There you go. I know exactly what that is. This is number 4,186. Wrapped around a kid, kid's little wrist. Unbelievable. This is slavery. This is branding for slavery to identify kids, to count them and keep track of them. Did you see the exchange with Senator Cruz and Secretary Mayorkas?

Senator Cruz brought these bracelets. He says, and Mayorkas says, I have no idea what you're talking about. Wow. I talked to Cruz later about it. He says, I was shocked. I thought for sure he was going to know about it and I was going to talk to him about it.

He's like, I don't even know what that is. This is the brand of slavery. This is the sign of slavery. And I think that the fake ids too i think we have one of those yeah you know oh yeah like what time is it right now for example nine nine five so what time we started this this interview eight so it's like almost two hours um seven children disappear in mexico right now in this interview every 20 minutes one more and then another one and another one and another one 57 a day 21 000 a year this is official numbers from the government i think

that's that's a lot more i read i read a story out of i think it was austin texas it may have been further south and it was uh it was on reddit some woman said that she was at a bar with her boyfriend and two of their friends. They were all drinking to have a good time. They got pretty drunk. And she's like, I think she said she was early 20s. They walk outside,

and I think what the story was that she was texting on her phone, and her boyfriend and his two friends were about 10 feet in front of her, laughing and joking and stuff. She's lagging behind. When a car pulls up, they pop the door open,

run out, grab her, and try and pull her into the car. car pulls up they pop the door open run out grab her and try and pull her into the car she screams her boyfriend the friends run back grab the door grab her leg as the car tries speeding off and they pull her out wow and uh apparently there's tons of stories like this people don't realize because they don't make the press well like in the movie we have real footage real footage of the end of the movie just like that and it's it's it's really horrifying man is it mostly just off the street sorry to interrupt if you know i just like one of one of them is like kids are playing outside a car pulls up snatches a kid the other kids are just like what do we do yeah that's crazy is that is it like the majority of the disappearances are kids just

being snatched off the street or is it sometimes but you know what sometimes they just do it in your own house you know they they their innocence and their purity are being stolen forever when your kid is having a smartphone and start talking to strangers to another kid who is being kidnapped by someone else and they use him as a hook to connect with your child next thing you know they're start uh that happened to my niece in mexico the other day my cousin calls me eduardo your niece i mean i've been following you and because of the whole movement Now I'm like more alert as a parent, you know, and I noticed that she was acting weird. You know, my daughter, she's eight years old, eight years old. And she happens to be for the last six months.

She was she was talking to these strangers and she was sharing pictures of her, you know, of her body. I mean, if she wouldn't cut her on time, God knows what what next, what will happen next, you know, meet me in the corner, you know. So, I mean, the whole message of Sound of Freedom is for parents too. You need to pay attention to your children. You need to protect your children. You know, just you need to watch what they're watching. You need to observe what they're watching on the Internet. There's apps out there where you can actually see what they're looking at

so you can control them. You need to be present. Because, you know, the other day, even my sister, eight years ago when she noticed that, she told me, what's the next project? And I said, well, you know, this movie about child trauma. I don't want to know. I don't want to know.

I don't want to know. I said, Daniela, if someone needs to know it's you because you have children and they are the target, you need to know. The more information, the more prevention. What do you mean? What do you mean? And now she's like a lion.

Like she's like protecting her children. She's a volunteer. She's an ambassador of freedom. So parents, they need to know that this is real. This is not in Bangladesh, Thailand, you know, far away. This is next door. This is everywhere. And it not in Bangladesh, Thailand, you know, far away. This is next door. This is everywhere and it's growing

because of child pornography. You know, there's a lot of new clients because they get hooked with pornography. Next thing you know, they're looking at child pornography. Now they're addicted

and now they want the real deal. This is interesting. Beatriz Arena says they have censored the movie in Colombia. They won't allow it to show. Have you heard that? No,

but we're going to show it. After the success in the United States, no one can stop this movement. It's going to be in Mexico August 31st and then the rest of Latin America. It's going to be everywhere. No one can stop this. It's too late. The movement is growing big time. Gigi Izzy asks, was making it

PG-13 an intentional choice? Because I absolutely love the fact that it's not too explicit and that it can reach a wider audience. Yeah, of course. That was the whole goal. We want everyone to watch this movie. The integrity and the purity of the film is right there so everyone can see it and it can

be digestible. The first part of the movie is the problem. The second part of the movie is the solution and the hope. Because we want people to live with hope. Yes, tears because this is real, but with hope. Okay, I i want to do something i want to join the army i will do something and i and again what i said before i hope they will ask themselves what can i do well the first thing they need to do is just tell everyone what you saw in the movie tell more people to go and see the movie because if the movie continued with the success then the media

secular media mainstream mainstream media, everybody's obligated to talk about the success of the film, more important about the topic of the film. And then millions of people will hear about this, and then there's no more excuses of, oh, I didn't know. Now you know. What are you going to do about it?

Do you think that parents should bring their kids if they're 13 and up, or is that just like a parent-by-parent decision? Well, that's a, you know, 13 up, I think 13, 13 up, I think they should because you're not going to see anything that you have to cover your eyes

or you have to cover the eyes of your kid. Nothing. I make movies. I made that promise to God one day and I made a promise to my mother and to my father. 20 years ago when I promised to God that I will never use my talents to do anything that would offend my faith, family or my latino culture after i made that

promise i ended up not working for four years and i just i lost everything and that's why i became a producer because as an actor i was i was tired of waiting for a role that would portray a man as a real man so i was led to open a production company so i can have the power to control the message and i told my mother you know i met i'm gonna make a promise to you that every film that Alejandro Monteverde and I will do you don't you don't have to cover your eyes in any scene you can watch everything and and I've been uh you know faithful to that promise my first movie was Bella then Little Boy now Sound of Freedom and even this Sound of freedom movie as Hard as it is as heavy as it is It's a poetry that everyone can see it and you don't have to cover your eyes in any scene

Sweet potato night says will there be a blu-ray DVD sound of freedom director's cut extended edition eventually Yes, because you know the when when copied when when this plan Demia plan Demi I don't have it said in English plan English. Plandemic, that movie? Plandemia, no, when the COVID hit. Oh, when COVID? Yeah. Pandemic. Pandemic, yeah.

In Spanish, we call it plandemia. It was planned. Anyway, it's a joke. But when theaters were closed, right? Remember? And then when they opened, the theaters was only 20%. Yeah. So we thought, forget about theaters.

Let's talk about, you know, a platform release, right? So the original cut was then two hours, 35 minutes, because you can launch movies like that in platforms and you don't have to like, you know,

the one hour, 45 minutes or two hours rule for theaters. So we have a car that is one hour. I mean, two hours, 35 minutes. That is like a meditation, man.

It's a meditation and of course we want to launch that later i actually thought i wondered if you're going to have it for streaming like 10 bucks for to download it from your website but there was something special about being in the theater jim even talked about it at the end of the movie i mean like i i remember the the vision of seeing the people in front of me as we're talking about it, I can feel them. You know why? Because you have to understand, that's why movies are so amazing and so important when you are watching a movie in a theater. This is a big room with a big screen.

It's all dark, no distractions, no cell phones, no nothing. And for two hours, you're going to open your heart and the director is going to tell you something. That's why it's so dangerous though because when the director is, he wants to manipulate you and give you the wrong message, you can have a huge impact in your life too

and then you live confused. But when you use it for, you know, with truth, you change people's lives. I mean, you inspire people. And that's my goal, to inspire people so they can live the theater inspired.

Like, I want to become a hero. And that's the most beautiful thing when you hear testimonies of people like, your movie changed my life. Your movie inspired me to protect my children. I hug my children.

I want to spend more time with them. It feels amazing, brother. All right, let's grab some more. Let's see. There's one. Mike Spencer, shout out. We did ask about why it took so long to make the movie, but that's your super chat, so we do appreciate it.

Arthur Gonzalez says, the movie was great and reminded me of Proof of Life. I was wondering if you going into the jungle near the end of the film was true, and do you think that part might put doctors doing that in any danger? So we just addressed this a little bit, but I was thinking it would be a good

chance to clarify. The camp you did go to, first, I guess, it was not in Colombia. You did go to a camp. Did you go to more than one? Was this a common thing you had done? Yeah, that tactic's been used enough times that we won't use it again anyway

um there's certain places on the planet that you just can't you just like the film depicts you know that you can't get into but i didn't go alone you know i had several people with me but we did pose as that um yeah in terms of would that put doctors at risk because they think that they go in there and they think they might be someone who's there to do them harm. I mean, of course it's dangerous. I mean, what we're doing is dangerous, too. I mean, we don't have to go to the jungle. this movie in 32 states telling the people this is real and we're going to end it it's dangerous because when you are confronting when you're fighting with this more than 150 billion dollar industry that's a it's not a small thing right but you know what yes it's dangerous but it's more dangerous not to do it in the long term and as i said before we're to die one day. And you know what? My prayer every day to God is, okay, when is my time?

When you knock at my door and it's time to go, please find me working for you. And I feel that we're working for God by saving children. That's why I always say God's children are not for sale. And that's my motivation every day to wake up and to give my life for for a cost for a mission for something that is bigger than myself kim mccursey says it ain't much timbo but please if possible forward these super chat funds to tim bellard's cause thanks uh i'll one up that i will i will donate all of the chat revenue to the uh to the spear is that the spear fund the best way to put it yeah and i'll put 10 000 towards the pay it forward for the film god bless you so much when

wrapping up easy easy easy for me to do easy for me to say it's not that you know i don't like we can do it we're going to do it let me tell you why this is so important there's a lot of families that are listening to interviews that they have four children, five children, they cannot afford to bring everyone to the experience because Sound of Freedom is a cinematic experience, right? That you cannot see that on TV or on social media. Film is different. Film changes your life, right? So because of your generosity,

your generosity, thousands of people will go and see the film for free. And we're saving lives right there. And the movement is growing. And more people in media are talking about the success of the film. So you put pressure. We're going to show the movie on the 25th, brother, on the Capitol Hill. Can you imagine that? That's powerful because you're going to have Congress from both sides, Republicans and

Democrats, right? They're going to see the film and then a panel with Jim, Tim, and myself. Can you imagine moving the hearts of the most important decision makers in the world who are living here in Washington, D.C.? This is a huge opportunity. You know the only reason why they're doing that? The only reason why they're doing that? The only reason why they're doing that is because of the success of the film. I mean, we can change the world if more people see this film. We're competing with Mission Impossible right now.

And you know what? As much as I like Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible, that movie won't save lives. Sound of Freedom is changing the culture, is saving lives, and is inspiring so many people to become ambassadors of freedom. So thank you for your generosity, and I hope a lot of people that are listening

to this interview, this podcast, they go right now when this interview finishes to angel.com slash freedom to angel.com slash freedom, angel.com slash freedom and pay it forward. So somebody else can see the movie for free because of your generosity. I should have said this at the start of the show, but I will elaborate too. So the way it works, we have this meter here on YouTube that shows us the total amount of super

chats that came in during the show. What happens is YouTube takes 35%. We get the rest. Forget the 35%. The total number that's there i'm going to donate to your uh your organization and then 10 000 towards the pay it forward for people to be able to watch this movie to be able to go see if they can and so uh now everyone's dumping in the super chats and that was the the intended position so basically i'll cover that 35 cut that YouTube takes to make sure the full amount of the chat revenue goes to your organization. We're currently at $3,600. And we're

going to wrap up the show from here because we're going to go to the members-only portion of the show over at TimCast.com. So as we're closing out, if you'd like to contribute to Super Chats, I will immediately, as we're on the members-only, I will be making that contribution in the full amount of all of our Super Chat revenue, plus the donation to the movie.

We've been talking about doing this thing where we give ten thousand dollars every month to someone engaged in a cultural effort that's going to be a positive impact i won't consider this that we'll still try and find someone that we can give you know who needs the money to get their project going but i will absolutely see to it that uh you know we'll do that because um see you guys you're the guys you're you're the movement you're changing uh culture because we we did we did our part you know we'll we made a movie but without the people without you we go nowhere so it's amazing how we're coming together. And I believe that together we will end this nightmare.

We will bring freedom to the children that are not free right now. I just realized a mistake with everything I was just saying. I can't give the total amount of Super Chats to your organization because people could just do that on their own. They could literally just go to your organization and make that donation. I'm going to double it. Whatever you guys do in Super Chats, by the and make that donation. I'm going to double it. Whatever you guys do in Super Chats, by the end of the show, I'm going to give,

I'm going to match it. Oh, Super Chats are flying in. Right, because I was just thinking, I was like, why should I ask people to give me money for my show and then just give it to you when they could do that themselves? I'll match it one for one. Thank you so much, man. No, easy, easy for me to do. Look at this, man. Those are the ambassadors of freedom right there, brother.

I'm going to match it 100%. That's the movement. You think they're going to stop this movement? Who's going to stop this movement, brother? Nobody. Nobody. I want to say, we got to go to the members only. And I want to say one final thing before we do the outros and give people an opportunity

to send in those super chats. I will match them. The Tim Mateo scene in that film, it made me feel something indescribable i call it divine intervention but it it it's indescribable that that moment where you rescue a kid who gives you a name tag with your own name on it i i have no words for what but for me it's it makes me believe that everything we're doing is it has a purpose has a reason, we are here for something bigger than us, something better than us that will make everything better, that will improve

things, that will lead us to whatever the plan is, we are instruments of it the work you guys have done so thank you so much for what you're doing guys, timcast.com become a member, we have that membersonly show coming up in a minute. But if you guys want to shout anything out as we wrap up, Tim?

Just gratitude. Thank you guys so much. I can't believe that there's this many people. The silent majority has risen. I never dreamed it would happen, but I have hope. For the first time, I have hope that we could actually make an enormous impact in the fight against child slavery. Gratitude is how we felt and um you know i'm from mexico i'm i'm catholic i believe in the power of

prayer um i want to ask permission can i say hail mary for all the kids around the world absolutely please in the name of the father of the league with the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God,

pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Amen. Que viva la libertad Thank you Thank you guys so much for being here Your film's an inspiration It was an amazing film I was entertained I was moved

This has been amazing So thank you so much Thank you Seamus, do you want to say anything as we wrap up? Yeah, I mean I want to shout out everything that you guys

are doing and Tim, you've been very humble in saying things like oh, the storytellers are the people starting the movement and we're a part of this movement shout out everything that you guys are doing. And Tim, you've been very humble in saying things like, oh, the storytellers are the people starting the movement, and we're a part of this movement. And I do believe there's power in story, but sir, what you are doing

and what you are saying about yourself, it's such a massive understatement. You have changed so many lives, and to go after just one lost child is such a beautiful imitation of christ and i want to thank you for that i want to thank you for being that example uh in the world and i want to thank you for all of the work you're doing and the work that you've done thank you so much really appreciate that of course people are going to follow you guys on twitter we got at tim ballard we have at e better street eh no i mean, in English, I'm sorry.

E. Verastegui. Let me spell that out. It's E-V-E-R-A-S-T-E-G-U-I. There you go. E. Verastegui. On a side note, Tim, someone told me that you work with Tim Kennedy or have in the past. Is that true? Have you ever worked with Tim Kennedy before? No. Someone told me. Well, maybe you will in the future. I love that man. He went over to Afghanistan during the surrender and was pulling people out over the course of a week. And just freaking inspiration after inspiration. Thank you guys so much. No, thank you.

Let's make American Mexico free again. Together we're stronger. I fully agree. And last thing, of course, it's spearfund.org and ourrescue.org. All right, let's move this along. Serge, you've been the man tonight. Yeah, Tim is calling. You guys are destroying the chat revenue.

It's sweet. It's great to see. I'm watching this whole like right in front of me. That was really heavy. I've been trying to see the film this week, but I've been moving. So it's been a little bit difficult for me to get in between everything edgewise but uh i will be seeing it on saturday so appreciate it guys cheers i'm serge.com all right uh important it's all good this is going to wrap up the live portion of the show as we go to the members only

and when i said i would uh give you the super chat revenue we had three thousand dollars in super chats we now have twenty one,000 in Super Chats. So I'm going to click end stream and we're going to go to TimCats.com but I just asked my girlfriend to bring up a personal check

because I'm going to be writing you guys a check for $42,000. Wow. God bless you. At least. Because they're still Super Chatting. At least

because now it's $44,000. All right. We're going to go to TimCats.com. This has been amazing. We'll see you guys over there. Thanks for hanging out. you